--- Log opened Wed Apr 11 00:00:40 2018
00:10 < bratchley> Is there a particular way to get either gedit or atom to open on a particular monitor? Trying to setup startup scripts and I have two monitors
00:11 < Klaus_Dieter> bratchley: that would depend on your window manager
00:11 < bratchley> budgie in this case
00:11 < bratchley> Klaus_Dieter: ^^
00:13 < danieldg> never heard of that; try its channel, if it has one?
00:13 < Hanumaan> is gpart good tool to recover GPT? and can I run on non Live system as the HDD is not the main HDD(it is not under use now)
00:13 < tleydxdy> Hi guys, I'm having some trouble setting up file associations, okular seems been associated with everything
00:14 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: you can run on non live system
00:15 < Klaus_Dieter> never heard about budgie :)
00:15 < bratchley> :\ yeah it's the main DE for Solus but there's also an Ubuntu spin on it
00:15 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: as of now with Testdisk under Analyse step I received this. Should I try to recover parition table with gpart or should I try to recover partitions with Testdisk?
00:16 < Hanumaan> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qCj3WgpJRy/
00:20 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: do you have a backup?
00:21 < Klaus_Dieter> before altering anything (a ro-mount alters stuff), create one.
00:21 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: No I don't have backup
00:22 < Psi-Jack> No backup? Data wasn't important enough to keep then.
00:22 < Klaus_Dieter> well.. you know what do do then... :) create one using dd, then start playing with testdisk et al
00:22 < twainwek> live on the edge a little. don't back up
00:23 < Klaus_Dieter> come on. it is difficult to be in this position already. there is no need to rub it in now.
00:23 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: Thanks .. I will try to backup first with dd
00:24 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: if you don't have the space, think about streaming and zipping the data.
00:24 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: do you know why the gpt is damaged in the first place?
00:24 < Hanumaan> Psi-Jack: it is important, actually I started that drive as a backup disk slowly with time ended as a data HDD
00:24 < Psi-Jack> If it's not backed up, its not important.
00:25 < djph> ^
00:25 < djph> if it's only backed up in one place, it's not backed up
00:25 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: No I don't why it got damaged. damaged HDD is 3TB. Now I have new 4TB HDD so I think I backup ... hope so
00:25 < Klaus_Dieter> good luck.
00:26 < Hanumaan> Psi-Jack: Yes, have to accept hard reality. Lesson learnt
00:27 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: I mean it was always connected as External USB drive and suddenly got damaged. Not sure is there any other way to know actual reason why it got damaged?
00:28 < genericUser1234>  Hi All, I'm trying to install fedora 27 as dualboot with Win10 - It mentions I need a /boot/uefi partition. I specify that and it still complains. Any advice?
00:28 < ayecee> complains how
00:28 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: sometimes this happens by pilot error, sometims this is broken hardware
00:29 < genericUser1234> ayecee: says I need one despite specifying one :/
00:29 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: in your case it is difficult to know. but usually when it is pilot error you do know :)
00:29 < tleydxdy> boot/uefi doesn't seem correct anyways
00:29 < ayecee> genericUser1234: what is the message
00:29 < bratchley> Klaus_Dieter: fwiw it looks like xdotool does what I need and is DE agnostic
00:30 < bratchley> although obviously X11 dependent
00:30 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: also, if it really is a hardware issue, there is a chance that your backup now will be broken
00:30 < Klaus_Dieter> bratchley: isn'T budgie for wayand?
00:30 < Klaus_Dieter> l
00:30 < bratchley> no it's actually Xorg
00:30 < bratchley> I don't think they've implemented a Wayland compositor yet
00:31 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: is this good command to backup with dd, dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync status=progress
00:32 < genericUser1234> No valid bootloader target device found. See below for details. For a UEFI installation, you must include an EFI System Partition on a GPT-formatted disk, mounted at /boot/efi. I've tried specifying that too...
00:32 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: disk has GPT and btrfs paritions
00:32 < ayecee> no. don't use conv=noerror,sync
00:32 < Dagmar> Why are you adding "noerror"?
00:32 < genericUser1234> tried changing things around, doesn't help. Tried automatic partitioning, but it doesn't seem to work. It doesn't utilize the space I have on the hd?
00:33 < Hanumaan> ayecee: dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K status=progress --- is this fine?
00:33 < Dagmar> You *must* boot via UEFI
00:33 < Dagmar> If your boot media is booting via "Legacy Mode" then the facilities won't be available to do a UEFI-based installation
00:33 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: seems ok, just make sure you get source and destination right. also for of I would use a file instead of a partition.
00:33 < ayecee> sure
00:33 < Klaus_Dieter> and noeerror and sync I would not use
00:34 < geheimnisse> anyone else living that fabulous tier 1 life getting screamed at by people who dont understand what theyre doing? can i get a WHATWHAT
00:35 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: Never been tier 1. Too technically knowledgable since childhood. :)
00:35 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: file? how to use that? so I have to create a partition in destination HDD and write of to a file?
00:35 < genericUser1234> Dagmar - cheers. I'll try giving that a try. Would booting in legacy mode explain why it autopartitioning doesn't let me detect the free space?
00:35 < Dagmar> Probably not
00:35 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: you don't have to but it may may be easier to use in the future
00:35 < geheimnisse> Psi-Jack I grew up in the ghetto, i have to start from the bottom because it's the only way i was given a chance
00:36 < genericUser1234> I've tried in windows disk manager formatting a block of space with the intent to destroy it - 'freeing' it as per the option doesn't help.  Was unallocated beforehand
00:36 < Psi-Jack> That's not true.
00:36 < Dagmar> geheimnisse: You can just thank your lucky stars you don't have *me* on the phone then
00:36 < Psi-Jack> Dagmar: Still got 'em?
00:36 < Dagmar> I make Tier 1 reps who think they're cue cards are helping cry tears of suffering
00:37 < Dagmar> Psi-Jack: No, apparnetly there's a hard limit of one hour on their calls, but someone new was threatening to sue when I last checked
00:37 < geheimnisse> We dont have cue cards or a script or anything.
00:38 < geheimnisse> Its go out, figure out how to fix it and if you sink you sink
00:38 < geheimnisse> so me and all my coworkers are rather experienced with linux at the minim
00:39 < geheimnisse> the people who need scripts and cue shit end up quitting
00:42 < Psi-Jack> It's extremely rare to have "tier 1" admins.
00:43 < bratchley> bold strategy cotton
00:43 < bratchley> giving tier 1 people root
00:44 < geheimnisse> Yeah well like i said it's not cue cards and scripts, we have to prove ourselves initially and have quite a bit of experience with Linux to be able to work.
00:45 < geheimnisse> yeah we're given root access for most things that need to be done.
00:45 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, that's not tier 1. You're underpaid, too. :)
00:45 < bratchley> it must be tier 1 in some way that's different than other places
00:46 < geheimnisse> im getting the impression that im not functionally tier 1 compared to most places
00:46 < bratchley> tier 1 is usually "My outlook won't work"
00:47 < geheimnisse> We occasionally get that shit but it's usually like, why tf is apache throwing a 500
00:47 < kurahaupo> Tier 1: have you tried turning it off and on again? Tier two: Let's reset your password.
00:47 < geheimnisse> Oh ok lemme check that out
00:48 < royal_screwup21> I'm trying to wrap my head around environment variables and I tried something like this: export VAR = "foo". My question is, how do I retrieve this variable and is this variable recorded somewhere (in .bashrc or something)?
00:48 < geheimnisse> sounds like at most placea we would be higher than tier 1 because i dont do that stuff
00:48 < jml2> royal_screwup21, nope
00:48 < geheimnisse> echo $VAR
00:48 < royal_screwup21> thanks guys
00:48 < bratchley> geheimnisse: yeah it sounds like you're somewhere between Tier II and an actual admin
00:48 < bratchley> are there people you escalate to?
00:48 < jml2> royal_screwup21, you can do a tab completion with ctl-x and that can print variables as well
00:49 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: Looks like there is hardware error got this error message now "dd: error reading '/dev/sdb': Input/output error"
00:49 < kurahaupo> royal_screwup21: do you actually need it exported?
00:49 < jml2> royal_screwup21, typing "set" alone also prints out vars
00:49 < geheimnisse> yeah but its only because our access is still somewhat restricted. usually when i escalate its like hey bro do this because i dont have the permissions
00:50 < royal_screwup21> kurahaupo: the API I'm using requires my client id and stuff. I thought I'd set my credentials as environment variables so I don't have to expose them a script
00:50 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, definitely not tier 1.
00:50 < jml2> royal_screwup21, https://www.tldp.org/LDP/GNU-Linux-Tools-Summary/html/c1195.htm
00:50 < bratchley> geheimnisse: that sounds like something right around "tier II" most places
00:50 < bratchley> that's still more than a lot of tier II do but it sounds like you're not quite at "admin" level
00:51 < kurahaupo> jml2: argh, tldp, Bugs Central
00:51 < geheimnisse> makes sense from what you guys are telling me. im definitely not running at a sysadmin level but im not a chimp.
00:51 < oneplane> ur a chimp
00:51 < oneplane> ook ook
00:52 < geheimnisse> i mean technically im a primate
00:52 < geheimnisse> just a relatively hairless one closely related to the bonobo
00:52 < geheimnisse> ook ook ah ah
00:53 < kurahaupo> royal_screwup21: no spaces allowed around the =
00:53 < royal_screwup21> ah yes, thanks for pointing out
00:54 < kurahaupo> geheimnisse: neotic and talkative
00:55 < jml2> geheimnisse, you're not a chimp? maybe you're a baboon!
00:55 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: What is virtual memory in Linux?
00:55 < geheimnisse> my ass isnt red
00:55 < kurahaupo> geheimnisse: how would you know?
00:55 < jml2> geheimnisse, you can't see your ass how do ya know!!
00:55 < jml2> kurahaupo, lol
00:56 < geheimnisse> some other chimp invented mirrors
00:56 < geheimnisse> psijack basically swap why
00:57 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: Hmmm.. No, that is not correct.
00:57 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: What contributes to system load?
00:57 < geheimnisse> "basically" also i just worked for 9 hours im not using my brain anymore today
00:58 < geheimnisse> and i already started drinking
00:59 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: Just a simple knowledge test. Most people get the first question wrong. :)
00:59 < geheimnisse> if it's not essentially swap then how would you succinctly describe it
00:59 < Psi-Jack> What contributes to system load? ;)
01:00 < geheimnisse> everything god dammit
01:00 < klotz> well the answer to all of life's questions is moar alcohol
01:00 < geheimnisse> yes more alcohol
01:00 < geheimnisse> after work irc is for shit talking
01:01 < Psi-Jack> No, no it is not. And kindly mind your language.
01:01 < kurahaupo> Psi-Jack: insufficient cpu cores to run all the ready-to-run threads
01:01 < geheimnisse> you did not say how you would succinctly describe virt mem
01:02 < geheimnisse> other than "basically swap"
01:02 < Psi-Jack> geheimnisse: virtual memory is the total combined memory of both physical RAM and swap paging.
01:02 < geheimnisse> ugh
01:02 < geheimnisse> yes, basically swap
01:02 < Psi-Jack> No.
01:03 < geheimnisse> were sayung it differently. also ive been drinking. and im on a phone so typing a lots a pain
01:03 < Psi-Jack> No. I'm saying it exactly, you're cutting corners and claiming it's correct, when it's not. :)
01:03 < geheimnisse> ok
01:04 < kurahaupo> Iirc Swap plus mmapped files equals total vmem, where resident is a subset of swap
01:04 < kurahaupo> Oh, plus pinned
01:05 < Psi-Jack> Maybe you need to stop IRC, because drinking and IRC and considering IRC to be the place to crap talk to everyone, is definitely not the general consensus people here are interested in. I was personally just curiously testing your knowledge level to get a basic idea of your linux knowledge, see where along the potential tiers of your career you actually might be. :)
01:05 < geheimnisse> i wasnt "crap talking" anyone here, you wanted to pop quiz
01:06 < ntd> is raid metadata "standardized". can i use mdadm to query verbose info for a macos raid?
01:06 < jml2> macos raid sux
01:06 < ntd> mhm
01:06 < Psi-Jack> Just going off your earlier statement claiming that IRC is for sh&% talking after work. :)
01:07 < Psi-Jack> ntd: No.
01:07 < Psi-Jack> And No.
01:07 < ntd> and their raid utility is about as useful for getting this info as instagram
01:07 < jml2> ntd, it's not real raid last time i checked.. you can pretty much mount any of the raid members but do so in read-only
01:08 < ntd> it's a raid5, meaning that the data is striped but with one chunk of parity data on two of the drives and a third drive with ony par data
01:08 < Psi-Jack> Still, the answer to both questions asked are the same.
01:09 < ntd> so i can't use a raid0 data recovery sw and i'll need this info to do any meaningful data recovery with third party tools
01:09 < ntd> any way to force-mount it read-only?
01:09 < Psi-Jack> Again. No.
01:10 < Psi-Jack> If you're asking for macOS help, this is not the channel.
01:12 < kurahaupo> ntd: that's a description of RAID 4 rather than RAID 5
01:12 < ntd> Psi-Jack, i'm not saying #mac is #windows as in "if we don't know the answer your question isn't valid"
01:12 < ntd> but they apparently don't know
01:13 < jml2> ntd, mdadm doesnt support macos raid no no no
01:13 < jml2> lol
01:13 < Hanumaan> Got to know that I was using one of the very bad model HDD : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ST3000DM001 . Is there a solution to recover data? dd copy to another HDD failed. Any solutions?
01:13 < ntd> not as in use it, just query metadata
01:14 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: you can try dd_rhelp
01:14 < ntd> kurahaupo, how so?
01:16 < forgotten> does anyone know how to turn off "aide" ?
01:16 < kurahaupo> ntd: in RAID 4 one device only holds parity. In RAID 5 which device holds parity depends on the block number
01:16 < ntd> three-drive raid5
01:17 < kurahaupo> ntd: each would be ⅔ data and ⅓ parity
01:17 < mawk> can I poll cgroups files ?
01:19 < geheimnisse> Psi-Jack should i start taking jello shots or stick to beer? my neighborhood bar doesnt charge me for them.
01:19 < geheimnisse> jello that is.
01:19 < kurahaupo> Aq JB
01:21 < Klaus_Dieter> Hanumaan: if possible, you can use it on single partitions
01:22 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: partitions are not shown when look with gparted. they are getting shown only via Testdisk but did not used it yet. Want to first back as you suggested.
01:26 < Klaus_Dieter> let's assume the drive is failing. that means you need 3TB for your backup and then whatever storage you have used on your partitions to copy off your data.
01:26 < Klaus_Dieter> do you have enough room?
01:26 < Klaus_Dieter> if the drive is failing dd_rhelp can help you for your backup
01:27 < Klaus_Dieter> unfortunately already we know that you will not be able to recover _everything_
01:30 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: yes I have enough room, with dd_rhelp I did not completely understood
01:30 < Hanumaan> is it a command? or
01:31 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: It looks like there is real problem on this Model, and there were several legal cases on this was trying from Seagate if they have any recovery option but it is extremly high cost also they don't say for linux data
01:32 < Klaus_Dieter> it is a script that wraps dd to read hopefully most of your data
01:33 < Klaus_Dieter> it starts dd until it fails, then jumps to a random offset on the drive, starts reading there until it fails. when it reaches the end of the drive, it jumps to a random offset within your unread space to read until it hits known data
01:33 < Klaus_Dieter> and it keeps jumping until either a) all your data is read or b) your drive is dead
01:33 < Klaus_Dieter> or c) you exit
01:34 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: ok would like to try that ..
01:34 < RayTracer> or dd_rescue
01:34 < Klaus_Dieter> http://www.kalysto.org/utilities/dd_rhelp/index.en.html
01:35 < Klaus_Dieter> RayTracer: dd_rhelp is actually a wrapper to dd_rescue not dd
01:35 < RayTracer> ah
01:40 < Hanumaan> Klaus_Dieter: for dd_rhelp I need to install dd_rescue but this(sudo apt install dd_rescue) did not worked.
01:40 < forgotten> does anyone know how to turn off "aide"  on redhat?
01:45 < Hanumaan> is dd_rescue and ddrescue same or different? installing gddrescue got ddrescue but not dd_rescue
01:46 < RayTracer> they do similar stuff afaik, some prefer one over the other but I forgot which one is deemed "better"
01:49 < solidfox> if I'm using kdm, and choosing i3wm when loggin in, where should I put my xsetroot or feh call to set my background?
01:49 < solidfox> I put it in xsession but I think that wont work
01:53 < solidfox> wow konversation is really bright. think i may use xrssi
01:55 < solidfox> er irssi
01:58 < kodeeo> Hello everyone
02:00 < kodeeo> Hi?
02:03 < drhelskt> Goodbye?
02:03 < significance> Hey all! Anyone know if there's a way to avoid routing chosen/stdout-path in a device tree file?
02:06 < saul> is there a neater way to check if something is running than piping ps to grep? I'm writing a backup script and i want to make sure it doesnt run if a process already exists
02:07 < saul> it looks like some programs create a .pid in /var/run but i'm not sure
02:08 < mawk> you can use a lock file saul
02:08 < mawk> there's a cool idiom for this
02:08 < saul> ah yeah
02:09 < saul> good call mawk
02:09 < mawk> ( flock -n 9 || exit 1; ...yourcode... ) 9>yourlockfile
02:09 < jimm> kodeeo, hi
02:09 < saul> i was just reading about flock after i posed the question, it looks lke it should work for me
02:10 < kodeeo> Can anyone help me with an issue? Im stuck on installing Nvidia drivers
02:10 < saul> mawk: yourcode can be a call to a script ?
02:10 < mawk> it could be anything
02:10 < mawk> you can put newlines in it
02:10 < saul> or should i do the flock call inside the script and wrap everything in there
02:10 < mawk> just write regular bash code
02:10 < mawk> yes, that
02:10 < saul> SCM-73 - Valididar lost focus modificacion de precios SCM
02:10 < saul> oops sorry
02:10 < mawk> you write your all script inside the ( )
02:10 < mawk> after the flock -n 9 || exit 1
02:10 < saul> flock -n /var/run/your.lockfile -c /your/script
02:10 < saul> ^- internet said this
02:11 < saul> hmm
02:11 < saul> flock removes the lockfile
02:11 < mawk> that is a once time
02:11 < mawk> just use my stuff
02:11 < mawk> it's for a script with a lockfile
02:11 < mawk> exactly what you need
02:11 < saul> ok mawk
02:12 < kodeeo> Can anyone help me with a problem on kali? I got stuck after installing Nvidia gpu drivers
02:12 < saul> hey mawk, what does that last 9 before the > mean
02:12 < saul> i know > redirects output to the lockfile
02:12 < saul> is that a parameter to flock ?
02:12 < saul> doesnt seem so because it's outside the parentheses
02:13 < mawk> saul: http://paste.suut.in/Ua4PteE0.sh
02:13 < mawk> the 9 means uses file descriptor number 9 for the redirection
02:13 < mawk> file descriptor number nine is set to be the file "lockfile" inside the parenthesis
02:13 < mawk> that's what ( ... ) 9> file means
02:13 < mawk> ( ... ) >file redirects the standard output to "file" inside the parenthesis
02:14 < saul> OK
02:14 < saul> it's a fd type then
02:14 < mawk> a fd
02:14 < mawk> a fd is a number
02:15 < jimm> and ( ... ) is a subshell, and the ... are commands run in that subshell
02:17 < saul> mawk: nailed i think
02:17 < saul> mawk: https://pastebin.ca/4013715
02:18 < saul> err nailed it
02:18 < mawk> yeah
02:18 < saul> thanks mawk jimm
02:18 < saul> now i will schedule this nightly instead of weekly without worry
02:19 < mawk> to be extra clean you can remove the lock file saul
02:19 < mawk> but it doesn't matter
02:19 < saul> but if i dont remove it, wont it fail to run the next time
02:19 < mawk> if the file already exists but your program isn't running, it won't fail
02:19 < saul> when it tests for its existence
02:19 < mawk> no
02:19 < mawk> it doesn't test for existence at all
02:19 < mawk> it tests for the lock
02:19 < saul> O_o
02:19 < saul> ahhh
02:19 < mawk> the lock is held until the program is closed
02:20 < mawk> when the program is closed, the lock is removed
02:20 < mawk> even though the file still exists
02:20 < saul> ok
02:20 < mawk> that's the beauty of this
02:20 < saul> yeah
02:20 < miyalys> Hi! Trying to write a wget shellscript where I store the headers in an array, loop through them and output them in the syntax the wget command should expect. But it doesn't work. At the bottom of the script I write the results and expected output: https://pastebin.com/AVKUgf2m There's probably multiple things wrong with it.
02:20 < jimm> kodeeo, I happened to be on #debian when you asked, you say after you reboot with the nvidia drivers installed, you get a black screen
02:20 < saul> this is way more sophisticated than what i've seen before
02:20 < saul> i've had scripts that just do something like if [ -e lockfile ]; then
02:20 < mawk> it's the best approach I think
02:21 < miyalys> regarding ps and piping to grep there's also pgrep btw.
02:21 < mawk> these scripts will fail if they crash leaving the file in place
02:21 < saul> mawk: how do you manually check for a lock? with flock?
02:21 < saul> like if something went wrong
02:21 < mawk> yes
02:22 < kodeeo> @jimm yes. I just installed Nvidia drivers, following step-by-step instructions on the kali site. I rebooted, and after I did that the OS cant boot, and it gets stuck on a black screen.
02:22 < kodeeo> Jimm
02:22 < infinisil> pgrep . | tac | xargs kill -9
02:22 < mawk> flock is checking for the lock on fd 9 saul
02:24 < o|0o^|> kodeeo: if all else fails you could always contact the driver author for suport :>
02:24 < kodeeo> How do you tag me in replies? I'm new to irc
02:25 < mawk> just say the nickname
02:25 < o|0o^|> i'm a wizard
02:25 < mawk> without @ or anything
02:25 < o|0o^|> thanks for ruining the mystery mawk
02:25 < kodeeo> Oh thank you
02:25 < mawk> lol
02:25 < kodeeo> Can I send links here?
02:25 < mawk> probably
02:26 < mawk> you can do a lot of forbidden things if you want
02:26 < mawk> it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission
02:26 < kodeeo> Is it allowed to send links in here? ;)
02:26 < suttin> Hey. I'm trying to find the column diff still but I can't remember the name. It shows differences on the outside and the same lines in the middle, and you can choose what columns to display easily
02:26 < mawk> yeah probably
02:26 < mawk> just send the link
02:27 < suttin> S/Still/util
02:27 < miyalys> sometimes one should definitely ask for permission however
02:28 < miyalys> regarding kill -9 maybe try sigint and sigterm first, gives the process a chance to try to clean up after itself
02:28 < saul> mawk: lol i found your idiom in the manpage
02:29 < saul> line 94 :D
02:29 < kodeeo> https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?39196-Kali-Freezing-After-Boot-Sequence
02:29 < mawk> yeah it's a common thing
02:29 < mawk> file descriptor 9 is always what we pick
02:29 < kodeeo> This guy has my identical problem
02:29 < mawk> because bash could do anything with the fd > 9
02:29 < mawk> so we start from 9 and go downwards
02:30 < pity> It seems https://paste.linux.community/lists/1900 has been spammed, most recent pastes are four letters.
02:30 < kodeeo> No sorry link was wrong lol
02:31 < mawk> you should tell Psi-Jack
02:31 < kodeeo> https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?39928-Kali-Not-Booting-after-Nvdia-driver-install&highlight=Nvidia
02:31 < kodeeo> Ok. I have this exact issue. What can I do?
02:32 < suttin>  Looking for comm. Found it
02:32 < occupant> stop trying to game on linux?
02:32 < o|0o^|> call nvidia tech support
02:33 < kodeeo> I don't need the gpu to game, occupant
02:33 < occupant> ah, it was usually trying to install the "good" 3d drivers that broke everything for me.
02:40 < cmj> use termbin
02:40 < cmj> ah nevermind
02:40 < cmj> /backlog
02:44 < tpanarch1st> morning, i'm trying to work out how the goodness to send a mysql dump file to a remote server
02:45 < djph> scp
02:45 < ksk> tpanarch1st: you have ssh-access? scp is your tool.
02:45 < tpanarch1st> as far as I can see step 1 is so step 1 dragonheart ssh -L /tmp/remote.socket:localhost:3306 192.168.1.176;  then step 2: (issue locally) mysql -S /tmp/remote.socket -u c8f3ljsef1ce -p'Tp3hjkFSjcs7!' c8f3ljsef1ce < home/beanie/Downloads/financedatabase.sql (password of course changed)
02:45 < tpanarch1st> then then step 2: (issue locally) mysql -S /tmp/remote.socket -u c8f3ljsef1ce -p'Tp3hjkFSjcs7!' c8f3ljsef1ce < home/beanie/Downloads/financedatabase.sql
02:46 < ksk> tpanarch1st: you just pasted your mysql user and passowrd, please change them!
02:46 < tpanarch1st> ksk: noooo i changed the password and the user details :)
02:46 < tpanarch1st> thanks though!!
02:46 < tpanarch1st> i deliberately left the ! in the password to point out it was there in case it stuffs anything up!
02:47 < ksk> tpanarch1st: dont setup a tunnel to copy a file. use scp: "scp file user@host:/path"
02:47 < tpanarch1st> that's cool, so step 1 scp it over
02:47 < tpanarch1st> then step two?
02:48 < tpanarch1st> i'd much rather get phpmyadmin playing ball but no such luck
02:48 < ksk> ssh to the mysql-server. invoke mysql locally
02:50 < tpanarch1st> how do i go about the invoking it locally please :)
02:50 < tpanarch1st> royally confused
02:50 < ksk> locally = on the machine you are working on. so if you ssh mysql-server - commands that you issue now are "locally"
02:50 < saltystew> does anyone use dunst
02:51 < tpanarch1st> ksk: sure ksk i'm just having a bit of trouble working out the local command itself :)
02:51 < ksk> so, you invoke mysql, eg: "mysql -u usr -p pw DataBaseName < dump.sql"
02:52 < meyou_> don't think the pw goes in the line like that does it?
02:53 < ksk> eh might totally be, just add -p and answer the prompt with the password
02:53 < ksk> also, you might consider being the Database Admin for "financedatabase.sql" with your linux-expertise ;)
02:55 < tpanarch1st> so ksk - scp /home/beanie/Downloads/financedatabase.sql root@192.168.1.176:/tmp/dbdumps/. i presume /tmp/ is an ok place to shove it
02:55 < tpanarch1st> that's the first bit?
02:56 < meyou_> yeah that'll shoot the file over
02:56 < tpanarch1st> sweet that's a great start :)
02:56 < meyou_> if you wanna get fancy you can netcat it right into mysql
02:56 < tpanarch1st> oooh let's not complicate things please!
02:56 < meyou_> but then it'd be mysql -u c8f3l... -p < /path/to/dumpfile.sql
02:57 < meyou_> you may also need to specify the database depending on what the top of the dumpfile looks like
02:57 < meyou_> usually there's some logic that creates the db if it doesn't exist, and uses the db then drops all tables if it does
02:57 < tpanarch1st> oh so not  "mysql -u usr -p pw DataBaseName < dump.sql" ?
02:57 < meyou_> i think you can feed it the password inline with -p'password' like your original example
02:57 < tpanarch1st> ok but would what ksk says work i.e.  "mysql -u usr -p pw DataBaseName < dump.sql"
02:58 < meyou_> and yeah you can give it the db name, if the sql dump already has it that won't break it
02:58 < tpanarch1st> issue that from the /tmp/ directory on the mysql server
02:58 < meyou_> but if the sql dump doesn't have it, you'll need it
02:58 < tpanarch1st> oh shoot
02:58 < tpanarch1st> it's come from elsewhere
02:58 < meyou_> yeah or just use the fully qualified path
02:58 < tpanarch1st> oh i'm soooo confused
02:58 < meyou_> head dump.sql
02:58 < tpanarch1st> i'm so annoyed at phpmyadmin not doing a simple upload of a large db file
02:59 < tpanarch1st> head dump.sql??
02:59 < meyou_> php's upload capability is limited by the config
02:59 < tpanarch1st> meyou_: absolute fair comment, i changed all that but no joy
02:59 < tpanarch1st> even after a server restart
03:00 < meyou_> i'm confusing the issue with all this head business
03:00 < tpanarch1st> so many people told me "do it over shell" but as ksk so observantly pointed out, i'm no sysadmin!
03:00 < meyou_> mysql -u username -p'password' databasename < /path/to/dump.sql
03:00 < meyou_> that should work in all cases
03:00 < tpanarch1st> sweet so part two that you've just said, do that from the tmp directory on the mysql server itself
03:00 < tpanarch1st> once scp'd
03:01 < tpanarch1st> good Lord, you seriously need to know your stuff with this don't you :)
03:01 < meyou_> you can do it from wherever if you use the full /path/to/dump.sql
03:01 < meyou_> or you can cd into the path and just use dump.sql
03:01 < tpanarch1st> but crucially, part 2 on the server once sent over :)
03:01 < meyou_> are you planning on scripting this
03:02 < noway42>  Exception Value: could not translate host name "postgres" to address: Temporary failure in name resolution. Any suggestions?
03:02 < meyou_> or just doing it one-off
03:02 < tpanarch1st> me you - no, a notepad job for further reference!!!!
03:02 < meyou_> noway42, sounds like you have a syntax error and it's looking for a machine named "postgres" in DNS
03:02 < meyou_> or...it's no error and you just need to fix your DNS so that 'postgres' resolves properly
03:02 < tpanarch1st> right i think iv'e got this now, so i'll just put it together and pop it back to you for a final check please :)
03:03 < noway42> I'm been messing with my /etc/hosts
03:03 < noway42> just adding a redirection that's all. So I should add 127.0.0.1 postgres to /etc/hosts?
03:04 < meyou_> erm, maybe, although not sure what the point would be instead of just using 'localhost' in your command
03:04 < meyou_> what command are you running that gives that error
03:05 < meyou_> @tpanarchist just be warned that while you're importing, anyone on that machine can read your mysql password
03:05 < meyou_> by looking at ps
03:05 < meyou_> if there's nobody you wouldn't trust with that password who can ssh in it's not a huge problem
03:08 < tpanarch1st> meyou_:
03:08 < tpanarch1st> ----Step 1 - From Where the Database is i.e. Laptop (Essentially not the MySQL Server) ------
03:08 < tpanarch1st> scp /home/beanie/Downloads/financedatabase.sql root@192.168.1.176:/tmp/dbdumps/.
03:08 < tpanarch1st> ------Step 2 - From The MySQL Server once scp'd over--------------
03:08 < tpanarch1st> mysql -u username -p'password' databasename < /path/to/dump.sql
03:11 < noway42> meyou_ thanks
03:16 < tpanarch1st> ah anybody else, is that right as above please
03:19 < Slyver> tpanarch1st, I just use HeidiSQL to import databases from my Windows dev machine
03:20 < tpanarch1st> Slyver: im running linux
03:20 < tpanarch1st> ah balls to this
03:20 < tpanarch1st> it doesn't work
03:20 < tpanarch1st> this is not meant to work
03:21 < tpanarch1st> just got locked out of the damn server
03:21 < Slyver> tpanarch1st, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4546778/how-can-i-import-a-database-with-mysql-from-terminal
03:21 < tpanarch1st> noway do i use stackoverflow - have you seen how hard they make it
03:21 < tpanarch1st> :)
03:21 < tpanarch1st> thanks though
03:22 < tpanarch1st> waste of bloody time
03:22 < tpanarch1st> i'll pursue fixing phpmyadmin
03:22 < tpanarch1st> it's took like 2 hours - nobodies fault accept whoever didn't make it straight forward from a development point of view!
03:23 < tpanarch1st> except*
03:24 < Slyver> phpmyadmin is not that great
03:24 < tpanarch1st> Slyver: what's the alternative?
03:25 < tpanarch1st> thanks for your attempts people though
03:25 < tpanarch1st> but the need for it's use is simple, the requirement to use it is top end expert
03:25 < Slyver> Again if you have a local Windows machine, there is https://www.heidisql.com/
03:25 < MrPockets> Man, do I dare run this NAS' firmware updater .exe in wine?
03:25 < tpanarch1st> Slyver: i don't use windows :)
03:26 < Slyver> there is wine https://askubuntu.com/questions/459074/how-to-install-heidisql-on-ubuntu
03:27 < Slyver> tpanarch1st, I have not tried any of these https://alternativeto.net/software/heidisql/?platform=linux
03:28 < tpanarch1st> thanks Slyver wine comes with a million different issues, there used to be a way of scping via a folder in a GUI
03:28 < tpanarch1st> i just can't remember what it was that did it
03:28 < tpanarch1st> "drag and drop"!
03:28 < tpanarch1st> the folder did the scp for you
03:29 < Peetz0r> Hey! I am running linux on my 486 with 12 MB ram (2.4.37.11 - yes, I know how old this is). When I do 'free -k' is shows only 9808 KB of my 12 MB of ram. Why is that?
03:30 < Peetz0r> (or: "Why was that?")
03:30 < Slyver> Peetz0r, what distro and version are you using?
03:31 < Peetz0r> Delicate Linux 0.1 alpha 5
03:31 < dczheng> 12MB ??
03:31 < Peetz0r> (one of the few linuxes that actually runs on this old machine)
03:32 < blackflag_bfp> DSL might work well on that sys
03:32 < Peetz0r> nah, recent DSL requires at least 32 MB I think
03:32 < ksk> lol.
03:32 < blackflag_bfp> hiya CodeBug Buddy!
03:33 < Peetz0r> I don't remember the exact requirement, but I checked DSL and TinyCore and a few others, and most "well known lightweight" linuxes aren't light enough :p
03:33 < Peetz0r> the only actual recent thing that runs on it is NetBSD :p
03:33 < CodeBug> How would i lighten Ubuntu
03:33 < blackflag_bfp> no your right I did not properly understand the full scope of your precursor machine  :P
03:33 < CodeBug> I know that 1804lts will have a minimal install capability
03:34 < Peetz0r> blackflag_bfp: here's some background info: https://revspace.nl/Compaq_LTE_Elite_4/50E
03:34 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: use debian
03:34 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: its what I had to do when running an old machine, ubuntu these dayd wants multi cores and ton of resources
03:34 < CodeBug> I have an 8 core system
03:35 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: so ny "lighten" you mean HD usage?
03:37 < cmj> "wants multicores"?
03:37 < CodeBug> nah just package and dependencies wise
03:37 < CodeBug> I don't want the extra crap that comes with it.
03:38 < Peetz0r> you could try installing the server version instead of the desktop
03:38 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: not an expert but I had to just list all the pkgs and then apt-get remove enything that was spam to me
03:39 < CodeBug> ahh i might do that what cli did you use to achieve that
03:39 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: I use Eterm but on here I have found that many don't even know what that term is
03:40 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: any term should be fine
03:40 < blackflag_bfp> CodeBug: if you really want to cheat you can use the ubunutu software suite to uninstall stuff
03:41 < CodeBug> true
03:41 < CodeBug> doing that now lol
03:47 < Peetz0r> Why do two different (both old) linuxes show me a different amount of ram? https://imgur.com/a/oeGbI
03:47 < lunaphyte> hi.  i'm trying to understand a behavior with getent:
03:47 < lunaphyte> https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/8ef4fe0b
03:48 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: Hmmm, perhaps I can for once help you then. heh heh
03:48 < lunaphyte> i'd be thrilled :)
03:48 < lunaphyte> i always thought if the answer was in /etc/hosts [as it is], then that should be the answer returned by getent
03:48 < Psi-Jack> getent looks up the various nss databases, as you already seem to know. But, what's confusing?
03:49 < lunaphyte> but it seems that if dns is included in the nsswitch hosts spec, the answer always comes from dns, even when not listed first
03:49 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm
03:50 < lunaphyte> "files" is listed first, and has the answer, as is evidenced in "#example with files only", yet it does not win when dns is present
03:51 < Psi-Jack> OKay, yeah, THAT is odd. Very odd.
03:51 < Psi-Jack> glibc, right? heh
03:52 < lunaphyte> ubuntu 17.10 - glibc 2.54.1
03:52 < Psi-Jack> When I do the very same test as you just demonstrated, I get the result in files before the result in dns, unless dns is first in the priority.
03:52 < lunaphyte> ah
03:52 < lunaphyte> ok, well that to me is s good sign
03:52 < lunaphyte> *is a
03:53 < Psi-Jack> That's how it is supposed to be, for sure. :)
03:53 < lunaphyte> it probably means that i broke it.  i just have to figure out how
03:53 < lunaphyte> you have an aaaa record for localhost in dns?
03:53 < Psi-Jack> Course my default hosts nsswitch is: hosts: files mymachines myhostname resolve [!UNAVAIL=return] dns  (from Arch linux0
03:54 < Psi-Jack> I did not check against IPv6, I will add a AAAA for my host entry I was using to test against (my case, wiki.home.ld, a private domain name)
03:54 < Psi-Jack> Just gotta remember how to add a aaaa record in dnsmasq. ;)
03:55 < lunaphyte> another thing that is interesting, i poked at it briefly with strace, and did not see any af_inet6 references, so the aaaa lookup was also a bit odd
03:55 < lunaphyte> i'm not practiced with strace though, so my method may be flawed
03:56 < tpanarch1st> would iptables -A INPUT -i 192.168.1/24 -j ACCEPT whitelist my LAN please?
03:56 < tpanarch1st> or is it iptables -A INPUT -i 192.168.1.0 -j ACCEPT
03:56 < tpanarch1st> or is it iptables -A INPUT -i 192.168.1.0/24 -j ACCEPT *
03:58 < descriptor9> 192.168.1.0/24 is better, although 192.168.1.1/24 probably works, but is a little weird.
03:58 < Hanumaan> how to mount btrfs partition from the HDD image(have multiple paritions) which is recovered with ddrescue command?
03:59 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, even for IPv6, files takes precedence over dns in my tests.
03:59 < tpanarch1st> descriptor9: Warning: weird character in interface `192.168.1.0/24' ('/' and ' ' are not allowed by the kernel).
03:59 < descriptor9> use -s instead of -i
03:59 < descriptor9> -i is for the interface name, like eth0
04:00 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: That is definitely.... Unusual.
04:00 < lunaphyte> odd
04:01 < lunaphyte> gai.conf came to mind as well, but initial fiddling doesn't seem to produce anything
04:01 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: do you have an nscd running?
04:01 < lunaphyte> no
04:02 < Psi-Jack> Hmm. Though getent does show the ipv6 over ipv4 when presented.
04:02 < Psi-Jack> I'm wondering if by chance it's doing ipv6 before ipv4
04:03 < lunaphyte> i think it is
04:03 < Psi-Jack> And falling through the priorities for each stack.
04:03 < lunaphyte> but that still wouldn't explain dns before files
04:04 < lunaphyte> i'll watch the traffic and see what it actually does
04:04 < Psi-Jack> So if you have localhost aaaa in dns it would find that first
04:04 < Psi-Jack> Even if not in files first
04:04 < lunaphyte> yeah but it should only perform any dns query for localhost if not found in files, right?
04:04 < lunaphyte> oh, no?
04:05 < Psi-Jack> For example. Ipv6 phase. Files then dns. Found in dns.
04:06 < Psi-Jack> First match stops the search of it sounds ipv6 first in the files then dns.
04:06 < mikeymop> hello, is there a trivial way to determine the permissions of files _before_ an init system changes them ?
04:06 < mikeymop> I am trying to fix an android init script(s)
04:06 < lunaphyte> Psi-Jack: i think you lost me a little bit
04:07 < ShadeS> hey
04:08 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: One sec, I am creating another quick test.
04:08 < ShadeS>  scp -r home/ myuser@173.239.69.186:/home/linenode/ tells me scp: /home/linenode//home: Permission denied
04:08 < tpanarch1st> thanks descriptor9 so scp -o PubkeyAuthentication=no /home/beanie/Downloads/financedatabase.sql root@192.168.1.176:/tmp/dbdumps/.
04:08 < ShadeS> what's the deal
04:08 < tpanarch1st> then i get the lovely "permission denied"
04:08 < Psi-Jack> Yep.
04:09 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: So, what it's doing, it's looking up, ipv6: files dns; then when no answer was provided, is continues to ipv5: files dns, stopping at the first match it finds.
04:09 < Psi-Jack> ipv4*
04:09 < lunaphyte> ah - i think i see what you're saying
04:10 < Psi-Jack> So, if in /etc/hosts, you don't have ::1 defined, it'll still find it in dns if dns has a result for localhost AAAA
04:10 < lunaphyte> so there are two rounds of precedence/ordering
04:10 < Psi-Jack> Seems like it, yes. :)
04:10 < lunaphyte> the first level round is: first ipv6, and then ipv4
04:10 < Psi-Jack> Which seems reasonable, in order to make ipv6 take precedence over IPv4 when possible.
04:10 < lunaphyte> then in each of those rounds, a "sub" round - as per nsswitch - files, then dns
04:10 < ShadeS> can someone please clarify this permission issue?
04:11 < lunaphyte> yeah, that would explain it
04:11 < Psi-Jack> luncYep.
04:11 < ShadeS> who needs to own what for me to scp this directory over?
04:11 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: Yep yep.
04:11  * tpanarch1st is stuck
04:11 < lunaphyte> Psi-Jack: ok, let's see if i can proof that out here
04:11 < Psi-Jack> ShadeS: Too little iinnnnput.
04:11 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: what do you need to know
04:12 < ShadeS> i am logged into the linenode host via glish via root via web browser, shows root@linnenode, the host in his garage is myusername@ip
04:12 < Psi-Jack> flish?
04:12 < Psi-Jack> glish?
04:12 < ShadeS> i don't have the root password but i have sudo on the host in his garage, i can get the root pw if needed but he's driving and i don't want to bother him with athat
04:12 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: yeah some web browser encapsulation for ssh
04:12 < ShadeS> it's linenode bs
04:13 < Psi-Jack> linode you mean?
04:13 < ShadeS> yes this
04:13 < Psi-Jack> OKay. Well, what I'll say is this then. Contact your HSP for support.
04:13 < blackflag_bfp> Hiya Psi-Jack
04:13 < ShadeS> HSP?
04:13 < ShadeS> there is no HSP
04:14 < ShadeS> that's me 8 |
04:14 < Psi-Jack> Linode is an HSP.
04:14 < ShadeS> oh i thought you mean helpdesk/support
04:14 < Psi-Jack> Hosting Service Provider
04:14 < ShadeS> I can SSH to both machines
04:14 < ShadeS> I can't seem to scp from one to the other due to permissions issues
04:14 < ShadeS> I'm thinkin it's because a directory is chowned by someone it's not expecting it to be
04:14 < ayecee> what happens when you try
04:14 < ShadeS> from either the sending host or the receiving host
04:15 < Psi-Jack> Where are you trying to scp from and to?
04:15 < xamithan> Well fix the permissions
04:15 < xamithan> If you know the directory and user it should be easy
04:15 < ShadeS> I am trying to copy from root to a non root account
04:15 < ShadeS> local root to remote non root
04:15 < Psi-Jack> OKay.
04:15 < Psi-Jack> From where to where?
04:15 < ShadeS> linode to his local box in his garage
04:16 < Psi-Jack> OKay, ssh to myuser@garage, ls -la to paste site (not pastebin.com
04:16 < ShadeS> it's owned by myuser:myuser
04:16 < Psi-Jack> Maybe more specifically, ls -l /home/linenode, since that's the example you provided.
04:16 < ShadeS> i just changed it to root:root to see if that'll work
04:17 < Psi-Jack> ...
04:17 < Psi-Jack> Stop doing that.
04:17 < ShadeS> doing what??
04:17 < Psi-Jack> CHanging ownership of files you shouldn't. :p
04:17 < ShadeS> oh
04:17 < ShadeS> i had dealt withs omething like this before but if orgot what i did to fix it
04:18 < ShadeS> i remember it as an ownership problem
04:18 < Psi-Jack> Usually is, but changing myuser:myuser's home directory ownership will be bad.
04:18 < ShadeS> the question that's more specific I guess is, the host I am copying from, needs to be the SAME ownership as the host I am copying to?
04:19 < xamithan> No
04:19 < Psi-Jack> No.
04:19 < ShadeS> oh
04:19 < xamithan> You just need permissions where you put it
04:19 < Psi-Jack> Notice I'm only concerned with the TARGET?
04:19 < Psi-Jack> As root, you have permission to the ORIGIN. :)
04:19 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: right
04:20 < ShadeS> on the remote it's drwxr-xr-x myuser:myuser
04:20 < Psi-Jack> So, again. ssh myuser@garage ls -la
04:20 < Psi-Jack> Is myuser's home directory where you want to put files, or is it somewhere else?
04:21 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: that doesn't particularly matter, it can be moved around more easily on the remote from the remote
04:21 < xamithan> If it was home dir I'm assuming it would work,  lol
04:21 < ShadeS> I am just trying to stuff it in either /home or /home/myuser
04:21 < ShadeS> ok I got it
04:21 < Psi-Jack> So, from Linode, ssh myuser@garage mkdir in; scp sourcefiles myuser@garage:in
04:21 < ShadeS> I was trying to copy it to /home/linenode instead of /home/myuser
04:22 < Psi-Jack> Uh huh.
04:22 < Psi-Jack> Despite the fact you mispelled linode many times. :)
04:22 < ShadeS> and linenode was owned by root:root whie myuser was owned by myuser:myuser
04:22 < ShadeS> yeah that's how it's spelled on the machine, so it's me typing whatwever it was set as by someone who mispelled it 8 |
04:22 < Psi-Jack> Correct
04:22 < Psi-Jack> lunaphyte: Gotten the results? ;)
04:30 < Spawndemonic> I did lspci -vnn to check my wireless card and under capabilites it says <access denied>. How can I resolve this
04:30 < ShadeS> jfc
04:30 < ShadeS> this acccess.log took like, 5 minutes to copy
04:30 < ShadeS> it musta been ridiculously huge
04:30 < ShadeS> there's a few of them, damn, 24 mb of text
04:33 < Psi-Jack> I've seen log files gigabytes in size. :)
04:34 < cmj> yeah when new packages don't set logrotates
04:34 < cmj> it's the worst
04:35 < cmj> /var/ stuffs up
04:35 < Psi-Jack> Worse, when gigabytes of logs happens in just hours in a single day. :)
04:35 < AndroidKitKat> Does zsh use the same “formatting” like
04:35 < cmj> ratchet down that debug switch‼
04:35 < AndroidKitKat> A bash theme? Like stored on PS1
04:36 < Psi-Jack> cmj: It was worse WITH debugging turned on. LOL
04:36 < descriptor9> hmmm, catalina.out
04:36 < Psi-Jack> AndroidKitKat: That, and more.
04:36 < cmj> i think that's what i meant, sorry
04:36 < AndroidKitKat> But if I have a bash theme perfect
04:36 < AndroidKitKat> I can just export my bash ps1
04:36 < AndroidKitKat> And use zsh
04:37 < cmj> both have their own rc
04:37 < jimm> Spawndemonic, what problems are you having with your wireless?
04:37 < cmj> copy over your PS1 to the other rc to be sourced
04:39 < cmj> AndroidKitKat: do you need to use zsh?
04:39 < AndroidKitKat> I’d like to
04:39 < cmj> ok
04:39 < AndroidKitKat> For better tab autocomplete
04:40 < cmj> autocomplete is not a shell thing. bash_completion works and is mostly dependent on devs
04:40 < cmj> err
04:41 < Psi-Jack> No, really, zsh tab completion far surpasses bash's capabilities, and not just in files, but program aruguments as well.
04:41 < cmj> bash does the same
04:41 < Psi-Jack> No, no it doesn't :)
04:42 < cmj> ok
04:42 < cmj> $ ssh -
04:42 < cmj> -4  -a  -b  -C  -e  -f
04:42 < Psi-Jack> Yes, and?
04:43 < cmj> AndroidKitKat: fish is fun too
04:44 < Psi-Jack> https://paste.linux-help.org/view/3af5fdb4
04:44 < Psi-Jack> That's gotten directly from the ssh-help, and each argument can be interactively selected with a selection bar as desired. ;)
04:44 < Psi-Jack> And completed by typing more and isolating the selection down.
04:44 < cmj> Psi-Jack: i spent a week on zsh and clearly know nothing about it. i see no reason to go beyond bash.
04:45 < Psi-Jack> Like I said. Far surpasses bash's. :)
04:45 < cmj> i'm also stubborn
04:45 < cmj> don't do this to me
04:45 < cmj> i might end up with weechat
04:45 < Psi-Jack> I once tried zsh for a week. Went back to bash.
04:45 < cmj> ;p
04:45 < Psi-Jack> Then some time later, went all the way zsh. :)
04:45 < cmj> sigh
04:45 < cmj> ok i will not ignore
04:46 < cmj> most my options are out of old habit
04:46 < Psi-Jack> I find that personally odd. :)
04:46 < Psi-Jack> I've been using Linux ~24 years or so, and I adapt. :)
04:47 < cmj> what year is this?
04:47 < cmj> 22 years
04:48 < cmj> i will not, not learn zsh. i'm just so used to bash
04:48 < cmj> shell scipting is life
04:48 < mawk> with fish you don't have to learn or code or customize anything to have a great shell
04:49 < cmj> someone told me about fiSH and i almost lost my leaves in 6mins
04:49 < mawk> the little downside is the lame language
04:49 < cmj> it's like a readline massacre
04:50 < AndroidKitKat> cmj im trying to change my shell
04:50 < AndroidKitKat> and its saying bin/bash is an invalid shell
04:50 < Psi-Jack> Well, bin/bash would be invalid.
04:51 < Psi-Jack> However /bin/bash would be valid.
04:51 < AndroidKitKat> im running `chsh -s $(which bash_
04:51 < AndroidKitKat> except its a close paren
04:51 < ShadeS> you know, 10 years ago I met some sysadmins/engineers who were absoultely livid with life and so angry and constantly upset with a permanent stick up their *** and couldn't understand why; today I realize how naieve that viewpoint was
04:51 < LissajousPattern> hello all
04:52 < ShadeS> tar -zxvf is supposed to open aup a *.tar.gz right?
04:52 < Psi-Jack> OPen? No.
04:52 < ShadeS> *extarct
04:52 < Psi-Jack> Untar, yes.
04:52 < ShadeS> *extract
04:52 < ShadeS> well I'm confused then
04:53 < ShadeS> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format; tar: Child returned status 1; ar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
04:53 < ShadeS> the file name is 2.3.0.2.tar.gz
04:53 < ShadeS> are all the etra periods creating this failure?
04:53 < Psi-Jack> Seems to not be gzipped.
04:53 < Psi-Jack> Try removing the z option.
04:53 < ShadeS> https://github.com/opencart/opencart/archive/2.3.0.2.tar.gz is the file in question
04:55 < cmj> Psi-Jack: what made you choose zsh over bash?
04:56 < cmj> most my old pals use zsh, still need that one thing to make me convert
04:56 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: removing z does not help
04:56 < ShadeS> same error
04:56 < Psi-Jack> cmj: powerful auto-complete. Work computer was a MacBook Pro, and macOS only had bash3 natively, so I wanted something better, more powerful. ENded up using it there first, then took it home and used it.
04:57 < FRWB_> so i'm installing python packages with pip on arch but i'm not able to run commands, but i can import the packages when i go to the interpreter
04:57 < nai> does anyone know what program $XDG_VTNR is set by?
04:57 < FRWB_> any ideas as to wtf is going on?
04:58 < ShadeS> oh I see what's going on
04:58 < ShadeS> when I curl -O the file, it only copied 126 bytes of the file, instead of the whole file
04:58 < ShadeS> I wonder why that is
04:58 < nai> FRWB_: pip's binary folder is probably not in your $PATH
04:58 < ShadeS> uuuuuuurrrrrrgggggghhhhhhhhhh it's not a download link it's some redirect garbage, that's why
04:59 < ShadeS> can anyone hit this file?
04:59 < cmj> i'm just content with the bash-builtins, its auto-complete seems solid enough for my usage
04:59 < iflema> FRWB_: 2 or 3
04:59 < cmj> :/
04:59 < AndroidKitKat> I broke something
04:59 < AndroidKitKat> i broke something back
04:59 < AndroidKitKat> band
05:00 < FRWB_> iflema, 3
05:00 < FRWB_> nai, sounds like thats probably right
05:00 < iflema> FRWB_: im fresh out of ides
05:00 < ShadeS> git is so handy, it'd be great for having some quick rol back for issuing commands on a host, especially routers, other than having a reboot w/o save to memory issued to it
05:01 < vfbsilva> guys anyone got lucky setting up a prime enabled video card in manjaro? my hdmi port refuses to work
05:01 < Psi-Jack> vfbsilva: Tried #Manjaro?
05:01 < vfbsilva> Psi-Jack: yes
05:02 < Psi-Jack> Not much good for the community is it?
05:02 < vfbsilva> Psi-Jack: tl;dr; version setup is tricky and more a linux thing than a manjaro thing
05:03 < vfbsilva> I had it working once and somehow broke it
05:03 < cstk421> how does one create a full system image of a Debian 9 OS ?
05:03 < ShadeS> Psi-Jack: any idea why curl -O isn't downloading the whole file from gitub? it only copys 123 bytes for the .zip and 126 bytes for the tar.gz
05:03 < ShadeS> I had to download it to my local host and scp it over for it to successfully to copy over
05:03 < ShadeS> curl did the same behavior with or withtout the -O
05:03 < vfbsilva> cstk421: dd
05:04 < iflema> cstk421: full system "image"?
05:04 < iflema> cstk421: forinstall of backup or relocation or..
05:04 < cstk421> yes a full clone copy i can relocate
05:04 < cstk421> well not relocate more of creating a duplicate
05:05 < cstk421> then ill setup rsync to maintain the data
05:05 < iflema> copy it...
05:05 < iflema> compression?
05:05 < iflema> compress it
05:05 < iflema> :D
05:05 < iflema> you want to boot it... edit fstab
05:06 < FRWB_> hm added it to the path but still doesn't work weird
05:06 < CodeBug> I have a question. What exactly is Arch linux
05:06 < Sveta_> a linux distribution
05:07 < iflema> CodeBug: a way to view whats new and corrupt shit
05:07 < cstk421> iflema: so DD will allow me to create the image move it to another vm and boot it ?
05:07 < Sveta_> watch your language
05:07 < FRWB_> do i need to add the site-packages dir to my path?
05:07 < CodeBug> lol
05:08 < Sveta_> what are you amused with today?
05:08 < FRWB_> still getting a command not found for installed python packages
05:08 < FRWB_> but can import them no prob
05:08 < Sveta_> pastebin your PATH variable
05:09 < The_Machine> is having vnc open to my linux computer safe (assuming encryption)?  Not sure whether it's commonly compromised
05:09 < mrrmx> I'm looking for help..
05:09 < FRWB_> Sveta_, https://paste.pound-python.org/show/UTvqMW7LaJxLowGlJZCH/
05:09 < Sveta_> mrrmx: ask
05:09 < Psi-Jack> FRWB_: Do the python packages actually have commands, or just python libraries intended for programs to include?
05:09 < ShadeS> The_Machine: any opening is a potential attack vector
05:09 < The_Machine> is it very uncommon and dangerous to have ssh server available through a router with NAT?
05:09 < The_Machine> well yeah, but "common" is what i'm looking for
05:10 < FRWB_> Psi-Jack, as a test i tried using wsstat, which should work from shell
05:10 < The_Machine> like is it generally trusted in most communities?
05:10 < Sveta_> The_Machine: you could also use x2go. check your linux distribution and your vnc server bug trackers for critical security issues
05:10 < FRWB_> and does so fine on other distros i use
05:10 < Psi-Jack> FRWB_: Just freshly installed?
05:10 < ShadeS> it's becoming more common as more and more people have to deal with getting an appartment wher tehe landlord pays for everyones internet and throws the cost into their rent
05:10 < ShadeS> you'd be lucky to have the password htough
05:10 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I have Linux Mint installed and transferring several gigabytes of data between to drives and it will randomly disconnect the one I'm writing to
05:10 < The_Machine> x2g0, i'll check that out.  Does it work like teamviewer or something?
05:10 < FRWB_> Psi-Jack, yeah figured i'd take a whack at learnin some arch while i'm doin my project
05:10 < Sveta_> mrrmx: what are you using for the transfer?
05:10 < Psi-Jack> FRWB_: hash -r, to reload the path cache.
05:11 < Psi-Jack> Then try again. :)
05:11 < CodeBug> was looking to use Debian I think
05:11 < FRWB_> is that the same as sourcing?
05:11 < Psi-Jack> No.
05:11 < CodeBug> stable and I can customize as much as i want right?
05:11 < FRWB_> tried to no avail, still unrecognized
05:11 < Sveta_> FRWB_: does "~/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/" contain the binary for the command that you want to run?
05:11 < ShadeS> The_Machine: look up into setting up a DMZ
05:11 < CodeBug> Psi-Jack,?
05:11 < ShadeS> where your host isn't accessible from the inside, but is accessible from the outside
05:11 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I've tried 2 things: 1: Between internal HDD to external 2: Between 2 external drives
05:12 < ShadeS> if the host has a screen and keyboard attached it's no big deal for you on the inside of the physical apartment/house/dwelling
05:12 < Sveta_> mrrmx: what does dmesg say?
05:12 < The_Machine> ShadeS it's the only linux computer I have (1 windows too) but i'm playing with it to potentially destroy it
05:12 < ShadeS> oh well
05:12 < FRWB_> Sveta_, it's this, https://github.com/Fitblip/wsstat , there is no binary afaik, unless i'm misunderstanding
05:12 < ShadeS> make sure you keep your wallet in cold storage then, is all i can say
05:12 < Sveta_> CodeBug: Psi-Jack was responding to FRWB_, not to you
05:12 < The_Machine> but i guess it's a matter of access
05:12 < mrrmx> Sveta_: where can I find dmesg
05:12 < Sveta_> mrrmx: it is a command name
05:13 < mrrmx> Sveta_: is it logs?
05:13 < Sveta_> FRWB_: `find ~ -name wsstat`
05:13 < The_Machine> what's the best game you have played on linux?
05:13 < Sveta_> mrrmx: yes
05:13 < Sveta_> The_Machine: chess
05:13 < The_Machine> :)
05:13 < mrrmx> Sveta_: where is it stored?
05:14 < mrrmx> I've never had this issue before.. sorry
05:14 < ShadeS> The_Machine: the best game? would have to be, root all themachiens and mine all the crypto
05:14 < ShadeS> ;)
05:14 < ShadeS> "achievement unlocked"
05:14 < FRWB_> Sveta_, yep two dirs, one is the site-packages dir, other is /.local/bin/wsstat
05:14 < FRWB_> er files i guess, not dirs
05:15 < mrrmx> Sveta_: what the location/command?
05:15 < FRWB_> i'm modifying the path via .bash_profile
05:15 < Sveta_> FRWB_: add ~/.local/lib/python3.6/site-packages/ to PATH, this time using an absolute path, not a relative one
05:15 < FRWB_> but i doubt that makes a difference
05:15 < Sveta_> FRWB_: without the tilde
05:15 < oxide-dev> The_Machine: Starbound was pretty good
05:15 < ShadeS> For Linux/Unix make sure the following folders and files are writeable. -> chmod 0755 or 0777 system/storage/cache/ ; there is no system root directory, there's a sys and it doesn't contain a storage directory
05:15 < ShadeS> what's up?
05:15 < FRWB_> Sveta_, yea thats what i tried first, i'll try again in case i had a typo the first time
05:16 < Sveta_> The_Machine: chess is also the best game I've ever played on any OS, so my response is more characteristic of me as a person than the OS itself
05:16 < Sveta_> FRWB_: since the file is in that folder, the command needs to be recognised
05:16 < Sveta_> FRWB_: adding ~/.local/bin/ to path is another attractive option
05:16 < mrrmx> Sveta_: are you with me lol?
05:16 < ShadeS> oh NM they were talking about withint he upload directory I just untarred
05:16 < Sveta_> mrrmx: I don't recall where dmesg is stored, perhaps /var/log/dmesg; a common way to read it is via the 'dmesg' command
05:17 < CodeBug> I need to know if i install Debian WITHOUT a gui, will it be all text and CLI?
05:17 < hexa-> yes it will
05:17 < oxide-dev> yes
05:18 < FRWB_> Sveta_, hm adding the ~/.local/bin/ dir did it, thanks
05:18 < FRWB_> interesting that it wouldn't take the site packages folder
05:18 < lunaphyte> Psi-Jack: thanks for the troubleshooting.  corroborated here now as well [unsurprisingly, of course]
05:18 < Sveta_> CodeBug: debian installer asks you to choose which tasks to install; youtube it beforehand (a list is provided at https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds02.html.en for example)
05:19 < The_Machine> Sveta_, i figured that out
05:19 < mrrmx> Sveta_: No Caching mode page found
05:19 < Sveta_> CodeBug: if you don't select a gui, it won't be present
05:19 < Sveta_> mrrmx: you may wish to pastebin the whole lot
05:19 < lunaphyte> Psi-Jack: i also happened across this: https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14799
05:19 < Psi-Jack> heh
05:20 < redrapscallion> so I have this script that takes in a file name and runs "python3 USER_INPUT_HERE". If I limit the user's input to **just** a-z, A-Z, 0-9, is there any possible way that someone could still exploit this to run additional commands?
05:20 < mrrmx> Sveta_: will you be able to help me if I post?
05:20 < Sveta_> FRWB_: cool, reading pip documentation and finding out whether it was meant to do it for you may be a next step
05:20 < Sveta_> mrrmx: someone would be able to help you if you post dmesg - better than if you don't
05:20 < mrrmx> Sveta_: who can help me?
05:21 < Sveta_> this channel
05:21 < Sveta_> it does depend on specifically what does dmesg say
05:21 < Sveta_> and if you have two external drives, swapping their cables and usb ports to see whether they have any effect on their likelyhood of disappearing may be an attractive activity
05:22 < FRWB_> you'd make a good DM Sveta_  :P
05:22 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I tried between internal and external
05:23 < mrrmx> Sveta_: https://pastebin.com/Mj0TZ5ij
05:23 < ShadeS> ^a takes me to the start of a line, what was the ^? to go to the end of the line
05:23 < Sveta_> FRWB_: perhaps if I fix my email, I've been meaning to do that for several years but I keep being confused by how people read and sort their mail; using newsgroups has improved that significantly
05:25 < Sveta_> mrrmx: it would be interesting to somehow relate the timestamps to the time when the disk 'dies', for example there is one line which says the USB disconnected at [  464.100483] so if this is when it failed then it is highly relevant
05:25 < CodeBug> I know that part but do you think GUI is overrated
05:25 < Sveta_> mrrmx: I'd suggest to check dmesg immediately after the failure, and also try another usb port in the computer as well as try another usb cable for the external hdd
05:25 < Sveta_> CodeBug: not mixing different guis is important though most distributions do it
05:26 < CodeBug> im thinking going headless no gui
05:26 < c-c> CodeBug: wm
05:27 < CodeBug> wm?
05:27 < Sveta_> mrrmx: would like to confirm: when you're writing from external to internal does it also disconnect the internal one?
05:27 < Sveta_> CodeBug: if you don't rely on visuals in your work, that'd work ok
05:27 < mrrmx> Sveta_: the opposite
05:27 < Sveta_> CodeBug: wm is a window manager, it provides no desktop environment but provides a mousey or tiling windows environment to position your windows
05:27 < iflema> CodeBug: if you drop your login manager you have the option to start the gui if you want
05:27 < mrrmx> only when copying externally
05:28 < CodeBug> yeah i'm using wm
05:28 < Sveta_> mrrmx: it's probably a problem with the manner in which the external media works (the usb port or the cable or the disk itself) and as the logs say 'usb disconnect' I suspect it's either the cable or the usb port
05:28 < Sveta_> mrrmx: i'd suggest trying to correlate it with that, and use rsync to resume your file transfers after they have been interrupted
05:29 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I had to d/c because it would stop copying data and leaving the external hard drive hanging..
05:29 < Sveta_> mrrmx: if you use rsync for the file transfer, it is able to gracefully resume file transfers that were interrupted in the middle - maybe you want to use that
05:30 < mrrmx> ah cool
05:30 < CodeBug> Sveta_, learning linux so yeah no visuals needed
05:30 < Sveta_> mrrmx: in the long term, finding out what's wrong with the usb or the cable would be a nicer option
05:31 < mrrmx> Sveta_: could it be the "microcode" drivers for AMD?
05:31 < Sveta_> CodeBug: only if you read a lot in your life in the past (a lot of visual orientation comes from having watched cartoons and videos in childhood)
05:31 < mrrmx> Sveta_: also, is there a Frontend for RSync?
05:31 < Sveta_> mrrmx: haven't heard of amd causing 'usb disconnected' issues, although there could be a complicated relationship of some sort that does that
05:32 < CodeBug> Sveta i did that alot as a kid and I read alot of books as a kid too
05:32 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I just installed the "microcode" drivers a few minutes ago
05:32 < Sveta_> mrrmx: consider gadmin-rsync or grsync
05:33 < Sveta_> mrrmx: did that install coincide with when the issue began? if yes, you can simply uninstall them and check for the issue again
05:33 < mrrmx> Sveta_: no, I just thought it may be the issue
05:34 < learningc> How can I cat a file from end to beginning instead of beginning to end?
05:34 < s10gopal> point the cursor to end and read it
05:35 < c-c> learningc: characterwise or linewise?
05:35 < mrrmx> Sveta_: how does rsync work? can it resume if disconnected?
05:35 < iflema> learningc: tac
05:36 < iflema> dah
05:36 < Sveta_> mrrmx: it maintains a list of files which have already been transferred which makes it possible for it to start transferring a next file when resuming, and
05:36 < mrrmx> Sveta_: very cool
05:36 < mrrmx> thanks
05:36 < mrrmx> I will use that now
05:36 < Sveta_> mrrmx: it also supports transferring a file half-way and resuming from the middle if you pass the right flags to it (useful if you have large files)
05:36 < o|0o^|> tac <file> | rev
05:37 < mrrmx> Sveta_: thanks
05:37 < Sveta_> mrrmx: you're welcome; please let me know if you find out what's wrong with your usb (in the long term, having problems with the usb port itself is more challenging than with a cable)
05:38 < mrrmx> Sveta_: my PC also had issues d/c from the network with the built-in NIC
05:39 < mrrmx> Sveta_: maybe power issues?
05:40 < Sveta_> mrrmx: if it has a battery then it should not be a problem (and if it does not, then it wouldn't be able to log a new dmesg messaeg about usb being disconnected)
05:40 < mrrmx> Sveta_: it's a Desktop
05:40 < mrrmx> ok thanks
05:41 < Sveta_> mrrmx: if its power fails without a battery, the operating system shuts down, I think you would be able to notice that and include it in your description when asking the question
05:41 < mrrmx> ok
05:41 < [R]> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/04/10/1626202/linux-computer-maker-system76-to-move-manufacturing-to-the-us
05:41 < [R]> taking chinese crap out of a box and slapping their logo on it is called "manufacturing"?
05:41 < Sveta_> thank you, [R] :-)
05:42 < Sveta_> they're writing they'd move the factory itself, so at the very least they'd start to assemble it in the new country
05:42 < c-c> [R]: Hey, if the US populus voted Trump for prez, they will buy literally any 2 cent bs
05:42 < learningc> c-c, characterwise
05:42  * iflema go trump
05:42 < c-c> learningc: that should be tac. $ man tac
05:43 < [R]> taking chinese crap out of a box and slapping their logo on it called "assembly"?
05:43 < c-c> learningc: oops. thats rev
05:43 < learningc> c-c I see thanks
05:43 < Sveta_> [R], https://opensource.com/article/18/4/system76-us-manufacturing-plant suggests they'd move manufacturing out of China too
05:43 < [R]> right... but they're not making anything
05:44 < [R]> they buy cheap crap from 3rd parties
05:44 < c-c> learningc: echo "foo bar" | rev
05:44 < Sveta_> [R]: they want to start making things themselves, like they're saying on the page
05:44 < Sveta_> c-c: thank you :-)
05:45 < [R]> i dindt get that when i read it
05:46 < Sveta_> "Not yet. Getting machinery in and setup, moving from plastic prototypes to metal, testing metal finish techniques, assembly line setup, inventory, etc. All the work on the march toward production."
05:46 < [R]> we'll see
05:46 < Sveta_> Yes we will...
05:48 < c-c> The will make the cases... tronics manufacturing anywhere but asia is too expensive
05:48 < c-c> *they
05:50 < learningc> c-c, It works. Thanks!
05:51 < cmj> do people use jffs2 for solid state?
05:51 < learningc> Also thanks to o|0o^|
05:51 < [R]> cmj: no
05:51 < [R]> cmj: its not designed for that
05:52 < mrrmx> Sveta_: does linux ever put hard disks to sleep?
05:53 < Psi-Jack> It can.
05:53 < mrrmx> where, and when?
05:53 < Psi-Jack> hdparm, pm-utils, tlp
05:54 < cmj> smart utils
05:54 < Psi-Jack> Basically, when told manually, (hdparm), or configured to (pm-utils or tlp)
05:54 < Psi-Jack> SMART has nothing to do with power management. :)
05:54 < mrrmx> Psi-Jack: this issue I'm having started when leaving PC unattended
05:56 < mrrmx> I disabled the screensaver
05:56 < Psi-Jack> What's the issue, specifically?
05:58 < mrrmx> Psi-Jack: when transferring 400GB of data and leaving computer unattended it stops copying files and leaves the external hard drive hanging (forcing me to d/c)
05:58 < nyaomi> is it safe to briefly unmount the filesystem on which my luks devices' keyfile are located while those luks devices are open?
05:58 < Psi-Jack> nyaomi: Yes
05:59 < [R]> mrrmx: sounds like crappy hardware
05:59 < cmj> powertop
05:59 < nyaomi> thanks
05:59 < Psi-Jack> mrrmx: External? Those are generally designed to power themselves down. heh
06:00 < mrrmx> Psi-Jack: what settings in linux would determine the power down?
06:02 < Psi-Jack> Wouldn;'t even be Linux itself, but the external drive.
06:02 < mrrmx> I just disabled the screensaver
06:02 < cmj> are you tacking about what is left in ram?
06:02 < cmj> fingers--
06:03 < [R]> screensaver doestn do antyhing but put pretty pictures on the screen
06:03 < cmj> get jwz on the horn
06:04 < notmike> I'm leaving
06:04 < ayecee> about time
06:05 < cmj> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2018/04/looks-like-todays-the-day-that-centos-users-lose-their-god-damned-minds/
06:05 < [R]> didnt this warning pop up on debian recently?
06:05 < cmj> yup
06:05 < cmj> shitstorm ensued
06:05 < [R]> https://www.jwz.org/blog/2016/04/i-would-like-debian-to-stop-shipping-xscreensaver/
06:05 < [R]> ffs
06:06 < [R]> 2 years ago
06:06 < [R]> i have no concept of time
06:06 < cmj> i feel for the guy, but…
06:06 < cmj> meh
06:10 < mrrmx> Sveta_: you there?
06:10 < mrrmx> it just happened again, this time I have the dmesg
06:11 < mrrmx> Psi-Jack: https://pastebin.com/Ze8BSjr5
06:11 < mrrmx> Sveta_: https://pastebin.com/Ze8BSjr5
06:11 < Psi-Jack> pastebin.com == bad
06:12 < [R]> looks like your drive is a piece of crap or your usb controller is a piece of crap
06:13 < mrrmx> [R]: how so?
06:14 < ayecee> because of the way it is
06:14 < mrrmx> ok
06:14 < mrrmx> just curious
06:14 < mrrmx> it's a cheap Desktop
06:15 < mrrmx> just wanted to know why
06:15 < Sveta_> mrrmx, here now. at the right top there is a 'raw' link which leads to https://pastebin.com/raw/Ze8BSjr5 which is slightly better
06:16 < mrrmx> Sveta_: what's your opinion?
06:16 < Sveta_> mrrmx, the bit about "RROR Transfer event for disabled endpoint or incorrect stream ring" looks relevant, do you have a chance to try the same drive with similar amount of data on another computer?
06:16 < [R]> how so what
06:16 < ayecee> how so sir!
06:16 < mrrmx> Sveta_: not sure (I'll trying getting a more expensive PC next time)
06:16 < Psi-Jack> Jump!
06:17 < [R]> the cost of the pc is irreelevent
06:17 < ayecee> mrrmx: pretty sure he means malfunctioning, not cheap
06:17 < mrrmx> ah
06:17 < Sveta_> mrrmx: you could ask a neighbour or go to a local library to test it with another computer - if it is still failing, then buying a new computer is not necessary
06:17 < ayecee> though it was ambiguously worded
06:18 < mrrmx> ok thanks
06:18 < Sveta_> Psi-Jack: that pastebin.com 'bad' description needed a bit more infos there (it is rather easy to see that the person does not know context for such assessment)
06:19 < Sveta_> Psi-Jack: which I already provided, partly, and will elaborate a bit more:
06:19 < Sveta_> mrrmx: the pastebin in topic is ad-free and friendly, a lot of the people here use it
06:19 < mrrmx> Sveta_: what is AMD-Vi?
06:19 < mrrmx> virtualization?
06:19 < Sveta_> mrrmx: a part of the computer processor or something similar
06:20 < Sveta_> mrrmx: possibly not really related to the problem that you are having
06:20 < Psi-Jack> Pastbin.com has been known to be banned from many places for multitudes of reasons. Advertising that also has been malvertising. Destroying formatting of pastes even in raw form. And adblock blocking.
06:21 < ayecee> not known to me
06:21 < Sveta_> that's how it goes, you enter irc and you learn something new
06:22 < Psi-Jack> The adblock blocking was even done in "raw" pastes.
06:24 < Psi-Jack> Yay.. My own paste site has finally stopped collecting spammers succeeding in pasting crap. :)
06:26 < Psi-Jack> Heh, looks like WildPikachu's is collecting lots of spam though.
06:28 < Psi-Jack> Hmm, in fact, that looks like botnet/C&C activity.
06:36 < garylabronz> hey all i want to send multiple commands with ssh but when doing this i get restart warnings as if im logging in directly to the machine. bad explanation so here is a pastebin of what i mean: https://pastebin.com/TivcqLCe
06:36 < garylabronz> how do i just get the output of the command/why is it happening?
06:37 < jimm> for now, why not just ssh in and run the commands from its prompt?
06:37 < [R]> tahts your motd
06:38 < [R]> and/or issue
06:38 < garylabronz> its not a one off thing, nor does that solve my issue. im not trying to just run the commands
06:38 < Sveta_> garylabronz: is this text in /etc/motd or not?
06:38 < garylabronz> if i put the "ls" on the first line i dont get motd, same if i just do 'ssh user@host ls -1 /tmp'
06:38 < garylabronz> le tme check
06:39 < garylabronz> i dont even have /etc/motd
06:39 < Sveta_> ok. you could add "DebianBanner no" to /etc/ssh/sshd_conf
06:39 < garylabronz> i dont want to set the ssh config on the server, id rather do it client side
06:39 < garylabronz> and i also dont want to awk/grep/etc. more why does it even happen
06:39 < Sveta_> you could use ssh -q, but it may suppress display of other important messages
06:40 < Sveta_> it happens because it is a login banner which is not disabled in the ssh server
06:40 < garylabronz> why does it not show if i put the command on the same line tho?
06:40 < Sveta_> these banners occasionally contain important messages about how to use this machine or what has been changed recently, and the ssh daemon developers are not suppressing the display of the banner by default
06:40 < Sveta_> actually I missed that nuance, it is an interesting observation
06:42 < [R]> it has to do with ssh accepting input on stdin vs the command line
06:42 < [R]> and it going into a differnet mode
06:43 < kurahaupo> garylabronz: interactive is a login session by default; batch is not
06:43 < garylabronz> how would i make multiline commands as batch?
06:44 < garylabronz> oh like -oBatchMode
06:44 < [R]> https://serverfault.com/questions/66986/suppressing-ssh-banner-from-openssh-client
06:45 < kurahaupo> ssh -T should suffice - don't allocate a tty
06:45 < garylabronz> -T doesnt resolve the output issue
06:46 < kurahaupo> That also has the benefit of maintaining stdout & stderr separately through the ssh connection
06:47 < kurahaupo> You should be able to force settings on the server based on the private key
06:48 < kurahaupo> Rd
06:49 < notmike> I Neva freeze
06:49 < garylabronz> i dont want to manage the server
06:51 < kurahaupo> garylabronz: you don't need to "manage" it; it's just a matter  of some extra details when you update authorized_keys
06:52 < garylabronz> i dont one time update files, if im doing that i am using configuration management. so yeah i would then start managing the server
06:53 < garylabronz> but i appreciate the ideas, i have more than before asking in here
07:01 < tcpdump> hey everyone
07:02 < jim> hi
07:02 < tcpdump> Does this look right?       if [ $gradlew_return_code = "0" ]; then      or do I need to double quote like this:    if [ "$gradlew_return_code" = "0" ]; then
07:02 < ayecee> it should be in quotes
07:02 < tcpdump> how are ya jim ?
07:02 < ayecee> otherwise if the variable is empty, it throws a syntax error
07:03 < tcpdump> ok, cool.  thx
07:03 < [R]> ayecee: you're a syntax error
07:03 < tcpdump> ill give it a whirl
07:03 < ayecee> should probably use -eq rather than = though
07:03 < tcpdump> jus takes a while to build, so wanted to ask first.
07:03 < tcpdump> ayecee: yea? whats the big difference?
07:03 < [R]> tcpdump: because you an't write a test script?
07:04 < ayecee> not much in this case, but it does a numeric compare rather than a string compare
07:04 < tcpdump> ah, interesting. Thats good to know for the future.
07:04 < ayecee> i guess it could help if the variable for some reason had two zeros
07:04 < VjdfMQ> What's more famous ? KDE Neon or Manjaro ?
07:05 < ayecee> i don't even
07:05 < [R]> what does "more famous" even mean
07:06 < ayecee> deep thoughts
07:06 < [R]> and those are 2 totally different things...
07:06 < ayecee> with [R]
07:06 < VjdfMQ> [R]: More help, more ideas
07:07 < [R]> VjdfMQ: what?
07:07 < ayecee> which is more purple? a cucumber, or a ford explorer?
07:07 < [R]> ayecee: haha
07:08 < VjdfMQ> ... if distribution is more famous, it has more people around it. More people has more time to help with it, more ideas are going around and you could get it if you're in trouble with it.
07:08 < VjdfMQ> Isn't it ?
07:08 < VjdfMQ> This's simple question.
07:08 < ayecee> kde neon isn't a distribution
07:09 < VjdfMQ> what ?
07:09 < [R]> and manjaro is just crap...
07:09 < VjdfMQ> ayecee: neon.kde.com
07:09 < ayecee> huh. i stand corrected.
07:09 < tcpdump> ayecee: that did it, thanks.
07:09 < tcpdump> so whats the -eq vs eq?
07:10 < tcpdump> the - make it compare?
07:10 < VjdfMQ> tcpdump: #bash
07:10 < ayecee> tcpdump: bare eq, where'd that come from?
07:10 < ayecee> also, described in man test
07:11 < tcpdump> ayecee: you said "should probably use -eq rather than = though" earlier.
07:11 < notmike> So I added amdgpu.dc=0 to the kernel parameters and it fixed my problem. So now I'm pretty convinced that's what's wrong. But why though?
07:11 < [R]> ayecee: bare equalities?
07:11 < tcpdump> sorry for the confusion.
07:11 < [R]> ayecee: you know... like bare necessities...
07:11 < ayecee> tcpdump: described in man test. -eq does integer compare, = does string compare
07:11 < VjdfMQ> ayecee: So, what do they mean, your words "is not a distribution" ?
07:12 < ayecee> VjdfMQ: literally that. i didn't know it was a distribution.
07:12 < ayecee> i thought it was a version of the kde DE.
07:13 < VjdfMQ> uh
07:15 < ayecee> i guess that's a datapoint for you, eh? i've at least heard of manjaro as a distribution.
07:26 < kalinite> what is the command to assign an alias to a seperate cmd in kali?
07:26 < [R]> alias...
07:28 < kalinite> so
07:29 < kalinite> if i have $curl wttr.in/moon
07:29 < kalinite> and i want to run that when i type moon
07:29 < kalinite> what do
07:29 < moniker-> anyone tried lutris?
07:29 < ayecee> kalinite: the alias command is described in the bash manpage
07:29 < kalinite> ty
07:31 < kalinite> i feel retarded
07:31 < iflema> alias moon="your command and args"
07:31 < kalinite> how tf did i miss that
07:31 < kalinite> yeah lol
07:31 < iflema> kalinite: what about reboot
07:31 < kalinite> lol
07:32 < kalinite> virtual machine tho
07:32 < kalinite> because im a scrub
07:33 < [R]> scrub is a guy that can't get no love from me...
07:33 < iflema> just using that command is not persistent
07:35 < kalinite> [R], do i get any love
07:35 < kalinite> i have trouble with this
07:35 < kalinite> is there a command that will output love
07:35 < kalinite> aside echo love
07:36 < sseeley> some of us have to pay
07:36 < ayecee> no, no love
07:36 < ayecee> TLC did a documentary on this
07:36 < kalinite> :c
07:36 < Hooloovo0> make: *** No rule to make target 'love'.  Stop.
07:37 < jim> Hooloovo0 :P
07:37 < kalinite> lol
07:37 < sseeley> try 'find love' mabe
07:37 < sseeley> maybe
07:37 < sseeley> is finger still around?
07:37 < kalinite> what is the install shit cmd
07:37 < Hooloovo0> apt-get moo?
07:38 < ayecee> whatis love
07:38 < [R]> ayecee: baby don't hurt me
07:38 < kalinite> moo is love
07:38 < sseeley> which love
07:39 < kalinite> the love i dont have
07:39 < kalinite> apt-get love
07:39 < sseeley> Server:		127.0.1.1
07:39 < sseeley> Address:	127.0.1.1#53
07:39 < sseeley> Non-authoritative answer:
07:39 < sseeley> *** Can't find love: No answer
07:39 < kalinite> invalid operation love
07:39 < kalinite> :c
07:39 < sseeley> (nslookup love)
07:40 < sauvin> kalinite, why are you using a pentesting distro if you don't know what you're doing with it?
07:40 < kalinite> sauvin, I have a book
07:41 < hexnewbie> csh% If I got a ( every time someone made one of those jokes, what would I have?
07:41 < SlimmyJimmy> I'm running on Linux Mint 18.2. Is there a native application in this default install that tells me the running speed of my installed memory?
07:41 < [R]> vs the walking speed?
07:42 < well_laid_lawn> you can see if lshw is installed
07:42 < hexnewbie> SlimmyJimmy: dmidecode, perhaps?
07:42 < hexnewbie> Not sure if that returns running speed, or max supported speed.
07:42 < SlimmyJimmy> I just came across that in a Google search. I guess I gotta drop down to a shell prompt. It doesn't like idea as far as easy but I may try it.
07:42 < iflema> dmidecode --type 17
07:43 < kalinite> i was previously using ubuntu-64 on a rpi
07:43 < kalinite> i had a small webserver set up
07:43 < kalinite> but it was stolen
07:44 < kalinite> and so I have installed the appropriate distro to have my revenge
07:44 < kalinite> if you must know
07:44 < kalinite> :)
07:44 < SlimmyJimmy> Mostly "unknowns". I think I need a newer Linux since it's running on a new AMD 2200G.
07:45 < sseeley> someone stole your pi?
07:45 < [R]> "revenge"
07:45 < [R]> rofl
07:46 < hexnewbie> Isn't stealing a Pi mercy?
07:47 < SlimmyJimmy> Oh, it did work. I didn't realize it was printing information for 4 slots. :)
07:47 < SlimmyJimmy> I had to scroll up the screen.
07:47 < SlimmyJimmy> iflema thanks
07:47 < SlimmyJimmy> 2934MHz, sweet
07:49 < kalinite> I am very annoyed that I do not have my rpi any more
07:50 < sseeley> I think have about 7 or 8 of them kicking around
07:50 < kalinite> fuck
07:50 < sauvin> Mind the language.
07:50 < [R]> sauvin: is tthat like mind the gap?
07:51 < hexnewbie> You don't hit your head and dislocate your foot
07:52 < kalinite> I appologise
07:53 < kalinite> but I dont see how one would dislocate their foot from a head impact
07:53 < sauvin> You've never heard of the dreaded "foot in mouth syndrome"?
07:54 < fofalee> I have a gpu beside nvidia too
07:54 < hexnewbie> kalinite: Correlation is not causation. Both will happen at the same time when your foot finds itself in the gap.
07:54 < fofalee> the one beside the intel chip
07:54 < fofalee> how do I find it's name , and it's features
07:55 < kalinite> lol
07:55 < kalinite> okay
07:55 < kalinite> fair enough
07:55 < kalinite> so I trip over and snap my ankle off
07:56 < kalinite> and whack my stupid face on the floor
07:56 < kalinite> serves me right for running kali and not knowing wtf im doing
07:56 < Bashing-om> fofalee: Try as ' sudo lshw -C display ' .
07:57 < fofalee> apart from lshw there was some other native cmd too, I don't have lshw installed
07:58 < fofalee> url: https://ptpb.pw/hsVp
07:58 < Bashing-om> fofalee: lspci -nnk | grep -iA3 vga .
07:58 < fofalee> look there is none , but there was one gpu, beside the nvidia, it's close to the intel cpu, I think an intel gpu
07:58 < fofalee> I have hp pro core i5
07:59 < notmike> Anybody trying to buy some Cisco 2500 switches?
07:59 < fofalee> lspci shows 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] [10de:0a65] (rev a2)
07:59 < fofalee> but I have two gpus in my pc
08:00 < [R]> you sure one isn't disabled?
08:00 < notmike> [R]: come on chill dawg
08:00 < kalinite> can i chill?
08:01 < notmike> Yes
08:01 < kalinite> nice
08:01  * kalinite sparks up an old project file
08:01  * kalinite passes to notmike 
08:02 < fofalee> someone said me that in pc hardware we have two gpus
08:02  * notmike puff puffs and passes the dutchie you there left-hand side
08:02 < fofalee> one nvidia and the other one beside the intel chip
08:02 < fofalee> ...
08:02 < sseeley> fofalee: pretty common on laptops...
08:03 < fofalee> but I didn't find the second gpu on laptop as well
08:03 < fofalee> something is wrong
08:03  * kalinite boots up a phat 128Gb thumb drive to install all the distros
08:04 < [R]> fofalee: it might be disabled
08:04 < [R]> and if it doesnt show up in lspci
08:04 < [R]> then it IS disaabled
08:05 < kalinite> what is the best SDK on linux for c++?
08:06 < kalinite> coming from winderp
08:06 < [R]> "sdk"?
08:06 < fofalee> [R]: why would it be disabled
08:06 < [R]> fofalee: how should we know... its your computer
08:06 < fofalee> it's a standard computer, hp pro, like any other computer not third hand crap
08:07 < [R]> lol
08:07 < fofalee> HP is the leading company for computers
08:07 < [R]> wtf is a "standard computer"
08:07 < fofalee> HP
08:07 < fofalee> wtf is a standard chip- "intel", standard gpu- "nvidia"
08:07 < fofalee> there you go [R] I answered it rightly
08:07 < [R]> lol
08:07 < fofalee> It's a popular brand, HP is *everywhere*
08:08  * kalinite steps into hole and smacks head
08:09 < kalinite> what i meant was IDE
08:09 < kalinite> [R]
08:09 < kalinite> i am saying words
08:10 < kalinite> and trying not to look as stupid as I actually am
08:10 < [R]> kalinite: well there is no "best"... but im sure you can find a list on wikipedia and try a few
08:10 < kalinite> ok
08:10 < fofalee> but do I have one or two gpus ?
08:10 < [R]> fofalee: well if lspci shows one... then you have one active
08:11 < Sitri> kalinite: code::blocks or eclipse.  But really, most people just use vim or emacs
08:11 < kalinite> eeeeeeeemacs!
08:11 < kalinite> thanks Sitri
08:12 < Sitri> IDEs are a Windows thing mostly.  Every other system generally actually has a mature toolchain
08:12 < kalinite> thats hot
08:13 < kalinite> what is the dumbest thing someone has said in this channel?
08:13 < sseeley> emacs.
08:13 < kalinite> and did it end up on bash.org
08:13 < kalinite> "emacs".
08:13 < kalinite> lol
08:13 < sseeley> ;)
08:13 < kalinite> wtf is this place
08:13 < kalinite> its hilarious
08:14 < kalinite> phew
08:14 < kalinite> hes gone
08:14 < kalinite> everyone post pics of bacon pizza
08:14 < kalinite> no dont
08:14 < kalinite> i dont wanna be klined again
08:14 < sseeley> ... I havn't been klined in 20 years
08:14 < kalinite> nice work sseeley
08:15 < Sveta_> if you don't want to be klined, get a larger screen for irc
08:15 < Sveta_> then you won't spam
08:15 < kalinite> what res do you recommend?
08:15 < kalinite> and should I go portrait?
08:15 < jelly> is 14" large enough?
08:15 < kalinite> i hope so
08:15 < Sveta_> I've got 14'' portrait
08:15 < kalinite> hot
08:16 < kalinite> if i rotate my laptop by pi/2 rad will i bypass a k-line?
08:16 < kalinite> thank you for considerations
08:16 < Sveta_> maybe you qualify to join ##maths and help others
08:16 < sseeley> I'de say 14" is just right
08:16 < kalinite> maybe
08:16 < Sveta_> i'de is presumably a resule of reading 'IDE' a few times :)
08:17 < jelly> kalinite, vscode is actually nice for an editor
08:17 < kalinite> is it like sublime text?
08:17 < Sveta_> Either way, code::blocks is okay, kalinite. What are you programming?
08:17 < kalinite> I am trying to port over some shit i did in java
08:17 < kalinite> its a 2d vector graphics shooter thingy
08:17 < Sveta_> code::blocks would probably manage.
08:18 < kalinite> sseeley, ;)
08:18 < jelly> or eclipse since you're already dealing with java
08:18 < sseeley> netbeans
08:18 < kalinite> OH GOD NO
08:18 < kalinite> NOT THAT
08:18 < kalinite> NETBEANIO IS VERY NOT LOVELY
08:18 < Sveta_> Try several and choose something that suits you better. Please no shouting.
08:19 < sseeley> well, you seemed to like emacs...
08:19 < Sveta_> Most GNU/Linux distributions have adequate package management that allows you to remove packages, kalinite.
08:19 < kalinite> sorry i was just a bit scared i had a flash back of the devil whale that taught me comp sci in college
08:19 < sseeley> so, I just kind of assumed.. lol
08:19 < kalinite> we had to use netbeans
08:19  * kalinite shivers
08:19 < Sveta_> When did you finish college?
08:21 < kalinite> im in the uk so its basically just highschool [im presuming alot of americans here]
08:21 < kalinite> this was 3 years ago
08:21 < sseeley> I'm in Canada
08:21 < kalinite> eclipse is ok tho
08:24 < borsin> netbeans isnt so bad, take a look at visual studio - barf!
08:25 < sseeley> I use visual studio.... there isn't really anything nicer
08:26 < sseeley> if you want to vomit, check out xcode
08:26 < kalinite> I once created a GUI interface in visual basic
08:26 < borsin> vi and gdb works great!
08:26 < kalinite> and i just molested an acronym
08:27 < borsin> visual studio literally barfs left and right.
08:27 < jelly> there's no visual studio for linux
08:27 < notmike> Please help me
08:27 < jelly> just vscode
08:28 < jelly> and it's quite nice for a code editor
08:28 < borsin> right, i was pointing out there could be worse than netbeans.
08:29 < borsin> s/could be/is
08:29 < sseeley> yeah, dev environments exist on other platforms... they're worth 'looking' at for comparison, thats all I was getting at.
08:30 < notmike> Do I need to set kernel parameters everytime I change display now?
08:30 < jelly> notmike, is there a context for that question?
08:31 < notmike> jelly: AMD DC/Dal patch has been giving me hell
08:33 < sseeley> good night everyone, bed time for me
08:33 < Aph3x-WL> vim or emacs work great for an editor
08:33  * iflema winblows
08:34 < kalinite> eeeeemacs
08:35  * iflema that too
08:35 < borsin> has short fingers, no!
08:36 < jelly> notmike, ok, but you seemed to have a question about kernel parameters
08:36 < jelly> how does that relate
08:41 < iflema> is ecraps GUI only?
08:41 < iflema> ill google
08:42 < notmike> jelly: I was running display off of my on-board graphics. After login at the display manager I would get a desktop background and nothing else. Disconnecting the display from on-board and plugging it into the GPU afterwards didn't really fix it. In fact, I was losing display and network. It was all bad. Adding kernel parameters amdgpu.dc=0 fixed the issue with onboard graphics (although gpu then didn't run display). I tried
08:42 < notmike> just plugging into the GPU and starting with the latest kernel, idk, it seems to be working how I've wanted.
08:43 < notmike> It's been a huge pita.
08:49 < notmike> Know what I mean jelly?
08:51 < V7> Hey all
08:52 < V7> Does any one know how to check how many colors are being used in weechat ?
08:52 < V7> For nicks
08:58 < hans_> does TCP_NODELAY only affect sending? or does it affect reciving/reading too?
08:59 < mohabaks> hello folks anyone know good resources for administering cloud infrastructure
09:02 < rrman> https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/74702717
09:02 < rrman> killall says no process found, but it's running, why?
09:03 < rrman> (even though I own the process)
09:13 < fofalee> is linux a real time OS
09:13 < fofalee> can you give some example which is the most popular and the best real time OS
09:15 < Hanumaan> I got this text https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/87Tb4KD7r8/ from this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery want to know all three commands have to be executed consecutively on the same imagefile?
09:19 < kalinite> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkblA_CxHgU
09:26 < fofalee> hey ubuntu is used inside tesla, but that is not a hard real time OS??
09:27 < fofalee> so which real time OS is used in self driving tesla ?
09:31 < notmike> No one uses Teslas
09:31 < iflema> fofalee: one that has RT aware applications
09:33 < iflema> and the ability to sort throughboth
09:33 < iflema> or something new
09:37 < fofalee> iflema: so tesla is not a real time thing? really? It is the very *definition* of a real time tasksa
09:37 < fofalee> lol you are crazy
09:37 < fofalee> if that is not real time, I don't know what is
09:37 < Mo> Hi, using mbuffer -q -m 5% for a while now that means using 5% of available memory, but today I got mbuffer: warning: allocating more than half of available memory
09:38 < Dagmar> That's not what the -m option means
09:39 < Dagmar> -m <size> : memory <size> of buffer in b,k,M,G,%
09:39 < Dagmar> The word "available" is not present in the description of that option.
09:40 < Lope> I've got `echo 'SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", ATTR{address}=="aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff", NAME="maineth"' > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-mainnet-setup-link.rules` So my ethernet adapter gets renamed to maineth. Then maineth is part of a bridge. It works 99% of the time. But I just booted up and for some reason br0 would not come up. And I had another ethernet adapter called "rename3" that had the same MAC address as the one that is renamed to maineth. I
09:40 < Lope> just rebooted. There's no more weird "rename3" adapter, and the bridge works as it does 99% of the time. Any ideas?
09:44 < Dagmar> That actually should have worked fine
09:45 < yuung> this isn't necessary "linux" but I figure someone here might know: I have a site running on www.example.dev.  this domain has an entry in my /etc/hosts file to route to my Vagrant VM machine's IP address.  I would like to test the site on an iPhone 5 device.  how can i set up a connection from my device to my vm?
09:45 < Dagmar> Lope: It's *probably* a race condition, but you might find something in https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/91085/udev-renaming-my-network-interface illuminating
09:45 < yuung> i'm not too familiar with networking, so that's where i fall short in this scenario.  any help is appreciated.  thanks!
09:46 < Dagmar> yuung: Im not saying it's *easy* but if you run your own nameserver on your own wireless network, you can make it hand out whatever the heck IP addresses you want for internal clients
09:47 < yuung> Dagmar, it's for my company so unfortunately that's not possible xD
09:47 < Dagmar> Then just use port forwarding from the vm host
09:47 < yuung> forward the port from vm => iphone device?
09:47 < yuung> or vm => local machine => iphone device?
09:47 < Dagmar> You're SOL then if you can't control the nameservice the phone sees
09:48 < yuung> oh wait
09:48 < Dagmar> Whatever name the browser on the phone used _will_ be passed to the webserver as a Host: parameter in the query
09:48 < yuung> are you saying something like ngrok?
09:49 < Dagmar> I am assuming you have a VM running on some machine and the VM is *not* directly attached to the "live" network in any way, and all of the traffic the VM has/gets is being masqueraded by the VM host
09:50 < Dagmar> So you'd need the have the query at _least_ reach the VM host and assuming the VM host is running Linux, you'd set a port-forward directive (simple netfilter/iptables stuff) so that inbound connections to 80/443 get masqueraded to the VM
09:50 < Dagmar> ...or just set up the VM with a bridged connection and let it get an IP address from the same DHCP server your VM host does
09:52 < yuung> Dagmar, VM host is running Mac.  could you explain traffic masquerading?
09:52 < yuung> or rather, let me google it and get back to you
09:52 < Dagmar> Well, you'll need to use a bridged configuration then
09:52 < Dagmar> Mac's are based on NeXt/BSD, not Linux, so they'll be using ipf.
09:52 < Dagmar> I've _no_ idea about how to do NAT/DNAT with ipf
09:54 < Dagmar> Frankly I'd see if there's a virtualization-capable machine sitting around in the office's "boneyard" and just slap CentOS onto it
09:57 < Lope> dagmar, thanks, okay I'm trying a different way. Using something like /etc/systemd/network/10-dmz.link from the manpage systemd.link
09:57 < Lope> rebooting
10:00 < aaa_> hi
10:01 < aaa_> this is possible to launch a library at startup ? (on windows this is possible with rundll.exe)
10:01 < aaa_> .so
10:05 < Ben64> aaa_: can you explain what you're trying to accomplish
10:12 < promach_> for https://stackoverflow.com/a/31402071/6422632 , why "(EXP_BITS + MANTISSA_BITS + 7) / 8" ? I understand that +7 is possibly for integer round-down purpose.
10:12 < promach_> Since for floating point formatting, we have x == EXP_BITS + MANTISSA_BITS and x >= 2 , why (x+6)/8 instead of (x+7)/8 ?
10:15 < aaa_> this is possible or no
10:25 < Triffid_Hunter> aaa_: "launch a library" ? that makes no sense, you can only launch things that have a main() or call functions in a library
10:26 < gebbione> is there a way to source in Make?
10:27 < fofalee> how is rtlinux dfferenet
10:27 < Triffid_Hunter> gebbione: include directive
10:27 < fofalee> it says that it does not use virtual memory...so what is virtual memory and does linux use it ?
10:27 < fofalee> hey guys virtual memory seems a myth
10:27 < E02B7> yuung maybe use google chrome browser and test via developer tools + user agent?
10:28 < yuung> E02B7 the bug i'm fixing is specifically on mobile iOS  :|
10:29 < E02B7> yuung is it more like a UX / design bug or application side?
10:29 < E02B7> *site
10:30 < aaa_> i mean a bullt in tool or something
10:30 < aaa_> built in*
10:31 < yuung> E02BY UX bug
10:31 < yuung> but it doesn't appear in an emulator
10:32 < yuung> which is why i need to use a real device
10:35 < jim> fofalee, rtlinux... virtual memory... the latter, which is called swap, is where linux pretends a disk partition is ram
10:36 < Triffid_Hunter> Jim: there's way more to it than that actually.. it's also how you can have multiple programs running at once
10:36 < E02B7> yuung Hm ok. I don't have any more advice here, but I'll write you if I get something in my mind
10:39 < jim> Triffid_Hunter, ok... so if fofalee asks for a deeper explanation, maybe you could explain the ins and outs?
10:41 < jim> fofalee, rtlinux is a linux that has what's called real-time scheduling, which means that applications can arrange to start doing things when a specific time passes, at least at millisecond granularity
10:43 < sauvin> More accurately, that given events are guaranteed to be addressed within a set span of time.
10:44 < sauvin> Triffid_Hunter, I'm interested in what you're claiming makes it possible to have multiple processes running simultaneously.
10:47 < yuung> E02B7 preciate it :)
10:47 < jim> is virtual memory necessarily backed by disk blocks?
10:48 < sauvin> I suspect any random access read/write byte- or page-addressable medium would work.
10:48 < yuung> jim where else could it be? (not being condescending, srs question)
10:49 < sauvin> yuung, back in the bad old DOS days, "virtual memory" was anything above the 1 megabyte mark. "Extended" or "expanded" memory was accessible only by playing tricks with registers or ports or something.
10:50 < diogenese> there was a segment reserved for expanded and you switched pages in and out
10:51 < tvm> yeah, good old EMS/XMS
10:51 < tvm> + upper conventional or whatever it was called
10:51 < sauvin> Upper conventional memory was just regular old-fashioned memory.
10:52 < BCMM> jim: "virtual memory" also refers to stuff that's in RAM, but not necessarily where you think it is
10:53 < BCMM> the kernel and MMU maintain the illusion of a contiguous memory space for each process
10:53 < yuung> sauvin, thx
10:53 < BCMM> even if that memory space is actually scattered across fragments all over the physical ram
10:53 < yuung> sauvin so it faked virtual memory by shifting memory around in existing registers?
10:54 < sauvin> yuung, more like registers controlling the memory controller circuitry.
10:56 < rrman> https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/74702717
10:56 < rrman> killall says no process found, but it's running, why?
10:56 < rrman> (even though I own the process) / Still curious to know...
10:57 < E02B7> kill -9 5553 ?
10:59 < jim> rrman, killall is generally by name... so maybe it couldn't find anything by that name
11:03 < rrman> jim, `pidof tor` returns 5553
11:04 < jim> hmm, so killall uses pidof?
11:05 < jim> that actually wouldn't make sense, since killall says it can't find any
11:05 < jim> killall must use something else to find thme
11:07 < maboc> @rrman does killall gives a return code?
11:07 < rrman> Strange, I did `sudo killall tor` and it worked
11:10 < rrman> maboc, didn't check, probably 1
11:11 < maboc> Guess so...man pages tell me : killall returns a zero return code if at least one process has been killed for each listed command, or no commands were listed and at least one process matched the -u and -Z search criteria.  killall returns non-zero otherwise.
11:16 < rrman> I checked now, it returned 1
11:17 < rrman> `pgrep` fails to find it as well
11:18 < rrman> Only ps -e works, or if I run pgrep as root.
11:39 < ssarah> I have a bunch a dir with a unch of files, they are like a_1 a_1.1 a_1.2 b_5 b_5.1 b_6.1 and so on, I want to keep the 3 most recent files of each different prefix
11:39 < ssarah> know of a simple way of doing this?
11:41 < jim> might involve find
11:42 < c-c> since the version format is not simple, its going to take a script probably
11:42 < V7> https://linustechtips.com/main/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://i.imgur.com/HM7D8wH.jpg&key=97907a3f9bb47e7abedebcbf0601f343884b1d418f8ab62acf3c84bd24e6a54c
11:42 < c-c> ssarah: I suggest you ask in #ruby-lang
11:42 < jim> how do you know that one file is more recent than another?
11:42 < V7> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/2NBtcDWajDWGJvcDvkV-3WcfcVX_cHQOV_Eh5gUK6Bbh4WBX6ftXDg1vViZFhTang9wFtwCb=w1280-h705-rw
11:42 < V7> Why these are different ?
11:43 < ssarah> I think just keeping the most recent 3 ones by date of each name would be enough.
11:43 < ssarah> so keep 3 most recents of alfa, keep 3 most recents of beta
11:43 < ssarah> and so on
11:44 < c-c> find can probably list by date and reduce the number of returned files
11:49 < ssarah> but the tricky part is keeping 3 of the most recent ones for each prefix. Not sure find can do that.
12:09 < maboc> @ssarah create a script : 1) determine all different names (without extensions) 2) list all files per name order derd by date 3) delete all but the latest 3
12:10 < ssarah> maboc, yeh, I'll do it in python. Just was wondering if there was something i could do with find plus something else.
12:10 < Dagmar> Or use git branching if you'd like it to be a *total* clusterf**k
12:10 < ssarah> ty
12:19 < boxrick> I have a folder with default read write execute ACL for a group
12:20 < boxrick> any files I create in that folder get created with the correct permissions
12:20 < balittad> How you do that?
12:20 < boxrick> if I create a file then symlink the permissions don't work properly
12:21 < boxrick> Any reason symlinks don't seem to work with linux acls?
12:22 < jhodrien> boxrick: That doesn't make sense.
12:22 < jhodrien> A symlink doesn't have permissions.
12:22 < boxrick> Let me show a working example then it will make more sense
12:22 < jhodrien> Yep.
12:22 < boxrick> You are correct
12:24 < BluesKaj> Hi folks
12:25 < boxrick> https://pastebin.com/KeL405Qc <--
12:26 < jhodrien> No.
12:27 < jhodrien> Can you run getfacl on /tmp/blob/file
12:27 < jhodrien> Ditto /tmp/blob
12:27 < jhodrien> What you end up with there depends on your umask for a start.
12:27 < boxrick> Sure 1 sec
12:28 < jhodrien> If your umask was 0077, you'd not expect to be able to read either of those files.
12:30 < boxrick> Hmm there is something more wrong here.. this is wrong. What umask should I use on /tmp/blob ideally if I want to do as I need ?
12:30 < jhodrien> What are you actually trying to do?
12:31 < boxrick> Basically everything in /customfolder ( this may be different ) to have read / write access for a group under all circumstances
12:31 < boxrick> Regardless of who creates the file or if its a symlink or directory
12:32 < jhodrien> Right.  The main thing is you set an ACL on a directory *after* you created the files.  That obviously then doesn't apply to those files.
12:32 < jhodrien> Either you want to recursively apply ACLs to existing files, or setup the permissions before adding files.
12:32 < jhodrien> Either way, an owner of files can set permissions or remove ACLs.
12:33 < boxrick> Well in this case, the setfacl default has been set before anything is created
12:33 < boxrick> So technically the above example I am doing it right ?
12:33 < jhodrien> No, the thing you pastebinned had a touch and symlink before you set ACLs.
12:34 < boxrick> Ohh, that was just a pasting error. Actually I had that set first.
12:34 < balittad> Yeah right...
12:34 < boxrick> Well it was a typed example. my folder structure is different
12:34 < djph> of course it is ...
12:35 < boxrick> https://pastebin.com/cG7y1jf7 <-- looks more like that. But same idea.
12:35 < boxrick> Obviously this isn't an Ansible problem.
12:35 < jhodrien> Broadly speaking, umask 0007.
12:36 < jhodrien> Say the directory was root:root
12:36 < jhodrien> And you had the order right.
12:36 < jhodrien> That'd work.
12:36 < boxrick> I wonder if the folder I am working with has the wrong umask here then.
12:37 < jhodrien> The *user* has a umask.
12:37 < jhodrien> Run getfacl on the blob directory, and post.
12:38 < boxrick> My example was too simple and worked. Let me dig a bit more at the actual use case and see what is going on. I will paste the getfacl of that
12:50 < boxrick> Right, this seems to be related to when I copy files into the directory.
12:50 < boxrick> And the umask getfacl shows is wrong since I imagine something happens before they are copied in
12:51 < boxrick> https://pastebin.com/fcSYicez <-- So this is the difference between the files ( the broken one was rsynced from another machine )
12:52 < boxrick> No write mask... So what is the best way around this? Just set a recursive set after copying everything? Or is there a better way to make it work without needing to change it for files copied in externally
12:52 < boxrick> Maybe an rsync flag
12:58 < blaztek> boxrick: rsync does have a —chmod option...maybe that one
12:59 < boxrick> Just looked through the man page now, cheers.
13:03 < boxrick> Thanks for the help jhodrien and everyone else
13:08 < phre4k> hey y'all, I'd like to continue Bryan Lunduke's work and do a talk on why Linux still sucks in 2018; if you have any valid reasons why Linux sucks, I'd be happy if you told me :)
13:09 < NGC3982> hi guys.
13:10 < velix> I've mounted a windows share in linux. The network is pretty slow (1 MB/s). When copying files using rsync or pv (pv > /share/file), the process bar jumps to 100% and it takes to transfer then. Can I modify samba somehow to show more realistic values? I think it uses some kind of buffer.
13:11 < Pentode> are you from ngc3982? i always wanted to meet a space alien
13:11 < phre4k> velix: try mounting with sshfs on slow connections
13:12 < velix> phre4k: I'm connecting to a windows network ;)
13:14 < phre4k> velix: oh. with samba you could set "socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=0 SO_SNDBUF=0", idk how this would be done in Windows
13:15 < phre4k> velix: In the directory /proc/fs/cifs are various configuration files and pseudo files which can display debug information. There are additional startup options such as maximum buffer size and number of buffers which only may be set when the kernel cifs vfs (cifs.ko module) is loaded.
13:15 < phre4k> (from man 8 mount.cifs)
13:16 < velix> Yeah, I think I'm using cifs ;)
13:16 < velix> phre4k: thanks, I'll google for morei nfo on TCP_NODELAY
13:16 < velix> phre4k: I'm actually on Linux, so I can't change anything to the windows server at all ;)
13:16 < phre4k> velix: try also the cifs.ko thingy, maybe you can set/get buffers in /proc/fs/cifs
13:17 < velix> phre4k: I mean, it's only cosmetic stuff. The file is transfering, but I can't get a working progress bar...
13:17 < velix> phre4k: I'll keep googling. Thanks.
13:17 < velix> :)
13:17 < phre4k> velix: also maybe try /etc/modprobe.d/cifs.conf: options cifs enable_oplocks=0
13:18 < velix> let's try
13:18 < phre4k> mount.cifs apparently also accepts cache=none
13:18 < velix> phre4k: https://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/disable-caching-on-the-cifs-nfs-client.html
13:19 < velix> forcedirectio
13:19 < velix> phre4k: cache=none vs. forcedirectio?
13:19 < phre4k> velix: try it out ;)
13:19 < velix> there's also Oplocks = No
13:22 < velix> phre4k: cache=none seems to be a winner: "This option is will be deprecated in 3.7. Users should use cache=none instead on more recent kernels."
13:27 < interrobangd> what would you do if your linux freeze and no logs are written? even netconsole dont send anything and i dont have a usb-rs232 adapter
13:28 < interrobangd> the needle in a haystack :)
13:31 < maboc> @interrobangd system has frozen completely? Push the white (or black) button. In Other Words...reboot. (Well after a while....don't reboot to soon)
13:31 < interrobangd> frozen completely yes, even sysrq will not work
13:31 < blaztek> interrobangd: no ssh too?
13:32 < interrobangd> even ping will dont response yes
13:32 < blaztek> Wowzers
13:33 < blaztek> Maybe a memcheck
13:33 < interrobangd> already did
13:33 < interrobangd> everything ok
13:35 < interrobangd> 95% of this freezes can prevented by disabling RC6 on module i915 - but not all
13:36 < interrobangd> but setting i915.enable_rc6=0 is in kernel  >=4.16 is deprecated
13:36 < interrobangd> so i have a problem.
13:37 < maboc> so not completly hung. I understand you still have a termina;/console or so which gives some output.
13:37 < maboc> How busy is the system? what tells w you?
13:41 < interrobangd> maboc, can crash every time and has no much to du
13:41 < interrobangd> *do
13:41 < interrobangd> load 0.0x
13:43 < maboc> @interrobangd , well that strange. I can not say I know anything about it (i915.enable_rc6). Sorry that I can not be more of an asistance. At least diable the module to have a relativly stable machine.
13:43 < interrobangd> haha
13:44 < interrobangd> but without i915 i dont have any graphics
13:44 < interrobangd> i guess ;)
13:44 < maboc> Just use a terminal. You only need tty
13:45 < interrobangd> i need a desktop i.e. for libreoffice
13:47 < blaztek> interrobangd: just curious, how old is this machine? I mean could it be a hardware issue?
13:47 < blaztek> No memory of course
14:01 < testman> Hello. I have few computers lying around my home. Is there any way I could easily connect them into a cluster that I could then use to spin up some VMs?
14:01 < maboc> @testman Xenhypervisor?  You can try it on 1 machine and later add more machines/hypervisors to the mix
14:02 < testman> can hypervisors be networked?
14:03 < testman> as in, can they be connected into a system where some VM can run on one physical machine but also use resources from another physical machine if neded?
14:03 < maboc> What do you exactly mean by networked? They can work together as a cluster : move a instance from 1 piece of iron to another.
14:04 < maboc> well...not sure...
14:07 < Forsythe> Hi... I recently downloaded UUI (Universal USB Installer) from pendrivelinux.com.
14:08 < Forsythe> Silly question, TO BE SURE, however... there're so, so freaking many distros to choose from, and I'm terrible even with restaurant menus.
14:08 < Forsythe> All I want to do is delete my damn Windows 10 slave drive Windows folder.
14:09 < Forsythe> TrustedInstaller, thou art my bane, I shall draw and quarter thee, then eat thine entrails.
14:09 < Forsythe> "Taking ownership" seems to do f**k-all, which is fairly maddening.
14:10 < Forsythe> Why even have the option if it doesn't work?
14:11 < Forsythe> Would deleting that slave directory from vanilla Ubuntu do the trick?
14:24 < ruied> Hello. Can the global variables in extensions.conf be used in queues.conf?
14:39 < JimBuntu> maboc, it sound like what you want is a cluster being used for distributed computing. You *can* do this, it's not always the most efficient way to gain compute power though.
14:39 < dka> How can I with sed or awk or a tool present in fresh debian 9 install, do the following text appending `sed '/"start":/a     "start:prod": "hello",' package.json` .  Currently my string starting spaces are trimmed
14:39 < maboc> @JimBuntu I think you are talking to @testman :-)
14:40 < shirafuno> Er... so I deleted /bin/mysql, How would I redownload it? I tried pacman -S mysql which downloads everything but the bineries. any advice?
14:40 < JimBuntu> maboc, yup, I apologize for the unnecessary ping. testman please see my last post.
14:42 < maboc> @JimBuntu No problem at all
14:50 < Langley> Super dummy question.... For ssh I open a terminal and go 'ssh server.company.com', but the window title is still 'langley@desktop' ... is there a way to ssh that changes the title?
14:51 < jim> you could make an alias that does it
14:51 < jim> or a script
14:53 < Langley> So it becomes some kind of command that changes the title && ssh ?
14:53 < jim> yeah, something like that
14:53 < jim> there are probably about 3 or 4 ways to do it
14:56 < jim> do you want to compose it yourself (maybe with a bit of help)?
14:57 < Langley> Seems like this is what I need https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/427019-gnome-terminal-title-change-on-ssh-login
15:00 < Langley> And it works, cool
15:03 < GreyHatNET> Hello
15:04 < GreyHatNET> sudo -s
15:05 < GreyHatNET> Is there any good cheap VPS Hosting in Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Poland?
15:07 < blizzkid> Hi all. We have a bridge (ovirtmgmt) containing dummy_10 and vnet0. Iptables configured as https://0bin.net/paste/GdV-4hGacTaUhu9G#ZCOS8gtzdFDJrf-YxWDOCneZpwOpQT66Pe6/gm1UT4J. ipv4 forwarding is enabled. We can't get our engine (at 172.16.2.1) to ping/curl google (eg) over wlp2s0. What are we missing? (we also tried with ovirtmgmt instead of vnet0)
15:08 < slidinghorn> GreyHatNET: any particular reason you're looking at those specific countries?
15:12 < GreyHatNET> slidinghorn: I just want this countries, because they are good for private browsing.
15:12 < djph> private browsing ... in the eastern bloc ... errr
15:13 < bramgn>  /quit
15:13 < GreyHatNET> Why?
15:13 < GreyHatNET> :D
15:13 < GreyHatNET> Do you still have experience in the eastern bloc?
15:14 < GreyHatNET> Or do you know a better bloc?
15:15 < Psi-Jack> GreyHatNET: Do you have a Linux question?
15:15 < GreyHatNET> Psi-Jack: I asked my question already.
15:15 < Psi-Jack> That was not a Linux question.
15:16 < GreyHatNET> Psi-Jack: Of course it was.
15:16 < GreyHatNET> Psi-Jack: The server will run on Linux then. :P
15:16 < Psi-Jack> No, no it was not. That was a VPS hosting question which, if you check the channel rules page in the link provided in the topic, is clearly off-topic.
15:17 < GreyHatNET> You think Hosting is not certainly associated with Linux?
15:17 < Psi-Jack> It's not.
15:18 < GreyHatNET> Then we probably have a disagreement.
15:18 < Psi-Jack> So, again, Linux question?
15:19 < phre4k> GreyHatNET: hosting is not a Linux question. Linux is a software, not a service. You might be able to find help in ##networking
15:20 < GreyHatNET> phre4k: Thanks for this tip, I will take care of that.
15:20 < solidfox> GreyHatNET, do NOT trust VPS
15:20 < solidfox> GreyHatNET, you can make your own with shadowsocksr
15:21 < phre4k> solidfox: ?!?
15:21 < solidfox> nvm thats vpn
15:21 < solidfox> similar to it anyway
15:21 < solidfox> got that mixed up with vps
15:21 < solidfox> still, do NOT trust VPS
15:21 < slidinghorn> what?
15:21 < phre4k> solidfox: VPS = virtual private server, basically a virtual server
15:21 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: "nevermind" not "nvm" for future self corrections.
15:21 < phre4k> idk why you shouldn't trust virtualisation
15:21 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, nvm is a common acronym
15:21 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, I will continue to use it
15:22 < solidfox> this is IRC lol
15:22 < han-solo> hello guys
15:22 < unboiled> phre4k: spectre mean anything to you?
15:22 < solidfox> what next you want me to write "hahaha" instead of LOL
15:22 < han-solo> would there be any problem, if i disable rc-local.service ?
15:22 < hehehe> solidfox:
15:22 < phre4k> unboiled: no, to you?
15:22 < solidfox> phre4k, if somebody else is hosting your data, that is typically bad
15:23 < unboiled> yes
15:23 < phre4k> solidfox: thanks for the info, I'll build my own data centre now
15:23 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: Per channel rules, not acceptable to use sms-speak (shtspk), so if you want to continue, and be removed for it, that's a choice you can make. :)
15:23 < GreyHatNET> I have to agree solidfox's opinion
15:23 < phre4k> unboiled: ok
15:23 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, I think common acronyms should be excluded from that.
15:23 < azarus> How does xfs stack up to ext4? (Given, 4 disk raid6 managed via mdadm)
15:23 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, even "ok" is an acronym
15:23 < phre4k> GreyHatNET: the opinion of two users doesn't contradict that there are channel rules in place
15:23 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: That would include "u" and "ur"
15:23 < Psi-Jack> :p
15:24 < slidinghorn> solidfox: you're allowed that opinion, but it's still against the rules regardless
15:24 < solidfox> u and ur should be sidallowed
15:24 < Psi-Jack> heh
15:24 < JimBuntu> phre4k, The point is that unpatched virtualization can allow one entity to gain access to memory you (your software) is using, so long as they are both using the same metal
15:24 < GreyHatNET> Guys come down. :D
15:24 < phre4k> Psi-Jack: that said, https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nvm
15:24 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: And if you don't agree with the rules, you don't have to participate here. :)
15:25 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, slidinghorn neither of you are ops
15:25 < tookieP4ji> hey guys, how to hardcode VERMAGIC for the module?
15:25 < solidfox> I think it should be against the rules to engage with someone you think is breaking the rules, unless you are an op
15:25 < slidinghorn> solidfox: I don't see how that's relevant.
15:25 < solidfox> just like in ##programming a high quality channel
15:26 < hehehe> i agree
15:26 < Psi-Jack> jim: Still around? :)
15:26 < slidinghorn> solidfox: what you think the rules should be and what the rules ARE are entirely different
15:26 < hehehe> Psi-Jack:  did you hear what have been said to you?
15:26 < hehehe> :)
15:26 < solidfox> slidinghorn, nice. thanks for telling me how long your dick is.
15:26 < solidfox> slidinghorn, I will no longer break any rules.
15:26 < solidfox> lmao
15:26 < Psi-Jack> hehehe: Nope. Immaterial.
15:26 < hehehe> blah
15:27 < Psi-Jack> !ops solidfox shtspk and attitude.
15:27 < Psi-Jack> I'll leave it to the ops. I gave a denizen's fair warning. :)
15:28 < solidfox> you should just mind your business and leave moderation to the ops unless you're being trolled.
15:28 < GreyHatNET> If you have a dedicated Server colocated in a data centre it's better because you have full control to it. But a VPS is good to because the Hosting cant do anything with it if it's not wrote in the ToS.
15:29 < GreyHatNET> So before you buy a server at a Hosting first check out the ToS.
15:32 < Psi-Jack> Heh, Trustico, CA Reseller for Symantec, severely violated the CAB by holding onto 24k+ private keys, and negligently sent them all to Digicert, getting themselves blacklisted.
15:32  * Psi-Jack shakes his head. 
15:32 < hehehe> tsk tsk
15:32 < hehehe> that is a lot of keys
15:33 < alanhuang> oh, did they actually get sanctioned
15:33 < GreyHatNET> Psi-Jack: Where do you read it?
15:34 < Psi-Jack> hosified: zzz? Is that an away nick?
15:34 < solidfox> the rules for this channel sure are long.
15:34 < hosified> Psi-Jack: issue?
15:35 < Psi-Jack> hosified: Yes. Neither ##linux nor #centos allow the use of "away" nicks.
15:35 < hosified> Psi-Jack: understood
15:35 < Psi-Jack> Thank you for your understanding. :)
15:35 < solidfox> wow
15:35 < hosified> Psi-Jack: np.
15:35 < GreyHatNET> Sheriff Psi-Jack in the hood.
15:35 < solidfox> unacceptable!!!
15:36 < GreyHatNET> :)
15:40 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm... That memcached issue is, wow.. Why in the world would people expose their memcached to the world? heh
15:41 < slidinghorn> Psi-Jack: Which memcached issue is this?
15:41 < hehehe> people are overworked dude
15:41 < hehehe> and hence mistakes
15:41 < Psi-Jack> slidinghorn: Using memcached as a DDoS resource, with what was literally the record-breaking amount reaching up to ELE levels.
15:45 < Psi-Jack> Nicknamed MemCrashed. heh
15:46 < hehehe> where could I find a website soon to be open html template (works on mobile too)
15:46 < hehehe> I used to have one
15:47 < Psi-Jack> Google?
15:49 < hehehe> yes
15:49 < hehehe> btw Psi-Jack where do you work nowadays?
15:49 < Psi-Jack> Sheash... 51,200 times amplification. 15 bytes in, 750 kB out. Yikes.
15:49 < Psi-Jack> I never tell people on IRC where I work. :p
15:49 < LissajousPattern> If you use linux you can use unix
15:50 < hehehe> Psi-Jack:  I think I used to have your linkedin :)
15:50 < hehehe> I am too lazy to check my logs
15:51 < solidfox> LissajousPattern, true. but I find that, even though I can adapt to freebsd, it is still like "why am I doing this"
15:52 < solidfox> LissajousPattern, I'd rather use something familiar like gentoo
15:52 < hehehe> solidfox: do you do backend coding?
15:53 < solidfox> hehehe, I code at every level.
15:53 < solidfox> hehehe, small company
15:53 < LissajousPattern> cause why not
15:53 < hehehe> UK based?
15:53 < watmm> Hey, i'm getting CRC errors trying to unzip a large zip file and i was wondering what other tools support unzipping so i can test if the problem is the download or unzip
15:53 < solidfox> LissajousPattern, "why not" is why I tried it. but I can't continue without a purpose
15:53 < solidfox> LissajousPattern, my will to suffer is not strong enough
15:53 < solidfox> hehehe, are you trying to dox me?
15:53 < LissajousPattern> so what can I do with an old sim card?
15:54 < LissajousPattern> well not too old actually
15:54 < hehehe> solidfox: why dox you, don't you want extra clients? lol
15:54 < Psi-Jack> LissajousPattern: Got a Linux question?
15:54 < solidfox> hehehe, no we have enough.
15:54 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, trying to silence freebsd discussion is against the rules.
15:55 < hehehe> well people who do want an extra 10 to 30 K gbp and can do backend pm :)
15:55 < watmm> anyone? it's quite important, could be looking at a bricked phone :/
15:57 < solidfox> LissajousPattern, you could throw it away.
15:58 < LissajousPattern> well besides that...?
15:58 < slidinghorn> watmm: what are you currently using to unzip?
15:58 < hehehe> watmm: what do u want to do?
15:58 < hehehe> simply use new sim card
16:01 < Psi-Jack> hehehe: "you" not "u"
16:02 < hehehe> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/robot
16:03 < JimBuntu> watmm, if you come back, I suggest p7zip as an alternative.
16:04 < hehehe> i am making a simple  website
16:06 < watmm> grr, sorry, did anyone reply above? my browser crashed
16:07 < JimBuntu> watmm, I suggested trying p7zip
16:07 < slidinghorn> watmm: I asked what kind of archive you're trying to unzip
16:07 < slidinghorn> watmm: and what tool you're using
16:08 < JimBuntu> If you are using 'zip', you could also try `zip -FF input.zip --out output.zip` and see if it can work around the CRC issues
16:09 < watmm> slidinghorn: It's the latest stock Android, just a large zip file, and i'm using unzip
16:10 < JimBuntu> watmm, Can you transfer the zipped file off the Android device so you can try other programs/options easier?
16:11 < watmm> Hrm, CRC errors with p7zip too
16:11 < luxifer> Hi there... Anyone too having issues with systemd user units generating no journal on ubuntu 18.04?
16:11 < watmm> The poblem i happenin on my computer
16:12 < luxifer> watmm: then maybe the file is corrupt?
16:13 < slidinghorn> luxifer: Only recently installed it, but I haven't noticed that behavior.  Might be worth checking the +1 channel though, since it's in beta, and reporting issues could be helpful
16:13 < luxifer> slidinghorn: what do you mean by "the +1 channel"? oO
16:14 < slidinghorn> luxifer: #ubuntu+1 it's the channel for the beta
16:14 < viran> Hey folks, Im running a flask web server on a centos machine. when setting it to run 16 processes, the server pretty much hangs, im guessing there's a thread/process limit some where.. any clue?
16:14 < watmm> luxifer: looks like it, ive tried downloading several times. Going to try on a different partition in case this is symptomatic of a larger problem
16:14 < luxifer> watmm: have you tried from another machine?
16:15 < luxifer> slidinghorn:  ah thanks :)
16:16 < watmm> Only have the one available :/
16:17 < paddy|> install virtualbox, that would make 2 out of 1 computer
16:19 < luxifer> paddy|: that would be no use if his issue might be a corrupt hard drive or ram or nic on the host
16:19 < watmm> paddy|: Good thinking
16:20 < JimBuntu> watmm, does the zip file have a posted MD5 or other hash that you can compare a locally generated one to?
16:20 < JimBuntu> `man unzip`shows that you can use -t to test the archive and -v for diag info... i.e. unzip -vt zipfile.zip
16:21 < watmm> JimBuntu: ah yes, it's different alright
16:22 < paddy|> incomplete download or something similar?
16:23 < JimBuntu> watmm, by any chance, did you download this from dropbox?
16:24 < watmm> JimBuntu: Nope, official google android images. They've got to have mirrors somewhere...
16:27 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. tcpkill is a very handy tool. I just wish it didn't come with a whole bunch of other tools that aren't needed (or desired, on a production server)./
16:28 < JimBuntu> Psi-Jack, https://github.com/chartbeat/tcpkill
16:28 < Psi-Jack> Heh
16:28 < watmm> the md5 is different every time i download it :(
16:28 < Psi-Jack> Yeah,. but that's 6 years old, and not in a debian package. :)
16:29 < ayecee> picky picky
16:29 < LjL> pfft md5 is unreliable anyway!
16:29 < azarus> watmm: get on a more reliable conncetion
16:29 < azarus> connection*
16:30 < inf8> hi to evrybody...
16:30 < inf8> i'm in pain with choosing a right and lighter version of linux... possibly without the gui interface system
16:30 < lseactuary> i have this code: gawk -F"\t" 'BEGIN{OFS=","}$4>"2017-12-31"{sub("T"," ",$4);$1=$1;print $0, FILENAME}' to basically filter out anything before 1 Jan 2015 and clean up the file. i am wondering if there is a clever way to only select (from the 2nd column) lines starting with new_to_something
16:31 < inf8> where can i get it? can have i a web link to download a opensource distribution? what it's better for developing with audio intefacing library?
16:31 < slidinghorn> inf8: just about any distro offers a server/minimal install - Choose what works for you
16:33 < Psi-Jack> ^
16:34 < inf8> ok, but whitout trying eachone... can i get raccomandation for specific development with audio drivers interfacing?
16:35 < inf8> i think debian... but's it's still 2gb... i wanna no more than 25 to 50 mb
16:35 < Psi-Jack> ...
16:35 < azarus> inf8: alpine linux
16:36 < ayecee> while technically possible, i think that's an unreasonable expectation
16:36 < Psi-Jack> That is an unreasonable expectation.
16:36 < inf8> where can i find it for downloading? can i get a direct link?
16:36 < slidinghorn> inf8: that's the thing - Any one of them is likely to have this capability. In terms of your size limit, that's not going to happen
16:36 < azarus> inf8: google
16:37 < azarus> base image is 8mb
16:37 < GreyHatNET> Do you guys have an idear setting up 2 TeamSpeak3-Server with Docker, with 2 different IP's on the same VPS?
16:37 < azarus> (without kernel, bootloader, what have you)
16:37 < inf8> ok, i'm trying to get some information... if i must arrange me i didn't connect here... :)
16:38 < Psi-Jack> inf8: Keep in mind that alpine linux is not generally GNU/Linux. They use a very watered down minimal libc, muscl, which may not be to expectations.
16:39 < slidinghorn> inf8: In addition to Psi-Jack's statement, You could also look into making a Linux From Scratch setup which may be a better way to cater to your exact needs
16:40 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, depending on what the actual real needs actually are.
16:41 < azarus> Linux from scratch is pretty bloated (with their suggestions)
16:41 < azarus> coreutils and glibc weigh it down
16:41 < azarus> it's the same base as most distros nowadays
16:41 < Psi-Jack> As it should be.
16:41 < JimBuntu> Fine, then buildroot
16:42 < azarus> muscl is actually wrong
16:42 < azarus> it's musl
16:42 < azarus> and it does everything a libc should
16:42 < azarus> but let's not get into an argument
16:42 < hendrix> inf8: tiny core linux is one option. haven't tried it myself
16:43 < ayecee> i'm going to say something argumentative, but let's not get into an argument
16:43 < azarus> ayecee: exactly
16:43 < ayecee> this way i get the last word and win by default
16:43 < azarus> flawless methodolgy
16:43 < slidinghorn> inf8: the whole point is:  It's difficult for us to really recommend anything based on what little information about your needs you've provided
16:44 < ayecee> no it isn't. we do it all the time.
16:44 < slidinghorn> ayecee: fine:  "recommend anything *meaningfully*"  better?
16:45 < ayecee> still comes across as trite and empty
16:45 < Psi-Jack> I disagree.
16:45 < ayecee> of course you would
16:45 < acresearch> people are there different types of terminals? xterm? xfce-term? etc...?   is there a list,  or a type most prefered by the community?
16:46 < slidinghorn> acresearch: there are a buch - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications/Utilities#Terminal_emulators
16:46 < slidinghorn> s/buch/bunch
16:46 < Psi-Jack> Firstly, how is such a thing "trite"? Interesting choice word there.
16:46 < Psi-Jack> acresearch: Those are all X-Terminal Emulators.
16:47 < ayecee> in every way
16:47 < Psi-Jack> Different software, but doing the same basic thing, emulating a terminal.
16:47 < azarus> st is worthy of praise in my book
16:47 < acresearch> slidinghorn: Psi-Jack oh i see, nice
16:47 < LissajousPattern> real ones
16:47 < JimBuntu> acresearch, also, you can search/google "Top 10 terminal emulator" or such and get what some dude(tte) though the top ones were at different points in time. Also, don't forget to check out multiplexing ones such as TMUX or screen
16:47 < azarus> tmux is not a terminal emulator
16:47 < azarus> screen either
16:47 < mawk> you're puting the feminity into parenthesis JimBuntu
16:47 < azarus> neither*
16:48 < mawk> you sexit pig
16:48 < JimBuntu> azarus, I was listing those under the multiplexers.
16:48 < acresearch> JimBuntu: nice thanks :-)
16:48 < mawk> you should write dude.tte
16:48 < JimBuntu> mawk, lel, that's a good one
16:48 < azarus> JimBuntu: multiplexing ones = multiplexing terminal emulators is how i interpreted it
16:48 < mawk> it looks like I'm drunk with all the letters I forgot
16:48 < mawk> in France it's a real debate JimBuntu
16:48 < azarus> "terminal multiplexers" would be clearer
16:48 < mawk> and a real argument
16:48 < JimBuntu> I concede to azarus
16:49 < azarus> sorry for being pedantic ;)
16:49 < Psi-Jack> azarus: What? NEVER apologize for being overly accurate. :)
16:49 < mawk> lol
16:49 < shirafuno> Hi, I've deleted /bin/mysql. What steps wouldI go down to get it back. I tried downloading mysql through my package manager but the bin wasn't replaced.
16:50 < shirafuno> What steps would I go down to get it back? ***
16:50 < ayecee> shirafuno: format and reinstall
16:50 < shirafuno> the OS?
16:50 < ayecee> sure
16:50 < djph> ayecee: I like it.
16:50 < ayecee> it has a simple elegance
16:50 < Psi-Jack> shirafuno: What distro?
16:50 < azarus> top advice served freshly here in ##linux
16:50 < mawk> lol
16:50 < shirafuno> are you serious? Theres no other way?
16:50 < shirafuno> looool
16:50 < JimBuntu> shirafuno, one way... download the package, instead of using the install command... extract the bin.
16:50 < mawk> reinstall it shirafuno
16:50 < shirafuno> Psi-Jack: Arch
16:51 < djph> odd that reinstalling mysql-server via package manager wouldn't reinstall the binary though (unless it stuck it in /usr or something)
16:51 < mawk> then we can't help you
16:51 < mawk> get a real distro
16:51 < Psi-Jack> shirafuno: Uninstall, reinstall.
16:51 < shirafuno> looool ok
16:51 < mawk> it happens with config files normally djph , not binaries
16:51 < mawk> so the best explanation is that shirafuno did it wrong
16:51 < slidinghorn> this channel is unbearable sometimes... *sighs*
16:51 < JimBuntu> Psi-Jack, I think that's not a heavy handed enough approach, scrapping the computer and buying a new one may be more fit.
16:51 < shirafuno> well... thanks?
16:51 < djph> mawk: "it" being ...?
16:51 < mawk> files not getting overwritten on reinstall
16:52 < mawk> or replaced
16:52 < Psi-Jack> Okay. I'm going to say this once. STOP RECOMMENDING PEOPLE FORMAT AND REINSTALL just to repair ONE package.
16:52 < Psi-Jack> ayecee: Shame on you for that!
16:52 < hehehe> slidinghorn: well just ignore petulant dynos
16:52 < ayecee> needs moar caps
16:52 < shirafuno> loool
16:52 < hehehe> or get along
16:52 < shirafuno> I wouldn't had reinstalled anyway
16:53 < hehehe> ayecee: you can be a caps advisor
16:53 < hehehe> so capital so many
16:53 < Psi-Jack> shirafuno: Yeah, but still. :)
16:53 < ayecee> shirafuno: that's good, sanity check passed!
16:54 < djph> mawk: hm, I've never run into that (it usually has something like "file /etc/whatever/somefile exists and is different from what's in the package ... what do you want to do?"
16:54 < shirafuno> Psi-Jack: I like to troll newcomers on my home channel so i like to see it dished out to me haha
16:55 < slidinghorn> shirafuno: the problem with that is that this is a support channel, and trolling noobs into formatting their disks is simply a dick move.
16:56 < ayecee> white knight in da house
16:56 < shirafuno> good point. I'm from #anime, the worst we do is convince somebody to waste their time on a shit cartoon
16:56 < hehehe> ayecee: mate do you know some html site to be open soon template
16:56 < hehehe> that is mobile as well
16:56 < ayecee> nope
16:57 < Psi-Jack> shirafuno: Trolling is just not cool in any fashion.
16:57 < ayecee> how about sarcasm or facetiousness
16:58 < mawk> ayecee likes black knights
16:58 < Psi-Jack> To someone just asking for help? I think you know the answer.
16:58 < ayecee> oh wait, it's the same thing
16:58 < testtesttestyyty> hi i have a program ive installed that i need to save the output of, ive tryed "> file" and "| tee "file" but they both crash the program
16:59 < shirafuno> *sarcasm* Who is the mod here, I'd like to speak to the manager */sarcasm*
16:59 < ayecee> once you go black, you never go back
16:59 < mawk> does the program do something with terminal output testtesttestyyty ?
16:59 < mawk> lol
16:59 < lseactuary> anyone knows?
16:59 < slidinghorn> testtesttestyyty: instead of just piping to tee, try   command 2>&1 | tee outputfile
16:59 < ayecee> lseactuary: nope. worse than that, no one remembers your question.
17:00 < lseactuary> ah
17:00 < lseactuary> i have this piece of code to filter/cleanup a file: gawk -F"\t" 'BEGIN{OFS=","}$4>"2014-12-31"{sub("T"," ",$4);$1=$1;print $0, FILENAME}'
17:00 < testtesttestyyty> Traceback (most recent call last):   File "/usr/local/bin/bleah", line 4, in <module>     __import__('pkg_resources').run_script('bleah==1.0.0', 'bleah')   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources/__init__.py", line 739, in run_script     self.require(requires)[0].run_script(script_name, ns)
17:00 < lseactuary> i also want to further filter the data so column 2 only includes new_to_%
17:00 < lseactuary> is it possible?
17:00 < mawk> paste the full error somewhere testtesttestyyty
17:00 < ayecee> i guess nobody knows
17:00 < mawk> and tell your dev to use python 3
17:00 < mawk> testtesttestyyty: https://paste.linux.community
17:01 < testtesttestyyty> https://paste.linux.community/view/f4108116
17:01 < mawk> ok it's a bug in the program testtesttestyyty
17:01 < mawk> let me see
17:01 < testtesttestyyty> it works fine untill i try save the output then i get that
17:02 < mawk> set PYTHONIOENCODING=utf8
17:02 < mawk> as an exported env variable
17:02 < shirafuno> okay, got the bin back but not the shared liberies are missing. doesn't like that it can't find/ doesn't have libncurces.so.5. I have ncurses-6.1. is that not good enough? Dx
17:02 < ayecee> nope, different major version
17:02 < ayecee> what happened to your system that all these files went missing?
17:03 < mawk> I somewhat did the same once ayecee
17:03 < mawk> some unhappy find command that would send every file to shred, inside a container
17:03 < ayecee> i believe you XD
17:03 < mawk> and dunno what happened but when I came back it had already written some gigabytes to /dev/null
17:03 < mawk> and random files in /bin on the host had size zero
17:04 < mawk> I don't like that smiley
17:05 < mawk> you're quietly trying to mock me I'm sure
17:05 < JimBuntu> ayecee is mawk'ing you
17:05 < ayecee> only a little
17:05 < shirafuno> ayecee I tried to manually eradicate mysql from my machine so I could reinstall. I'm currently having trouble with jdbc driver as it won't let me connect to my application. I then tried to change privileges and ended up locking myself out of the database. So I tried to eradicate mysql so I could start again
17:05 < mawk> :(
17:06 < ayecee> i see
17:06 < mawk> you can start mysql in some mode where you can login without password
17:06 < mawk> and recover from here
17:06 < shirafuno> skip grant tables
17:06 < mawk> instead of making a disaster
17:06 < shirafuno> I tried that but wasn't working for me
17:07 < testtesttestyyty> thanks mawk that wrks great!
17:07 < mawk> open a bug ticket for that program testtesttestyyty
17:07 < mawk> tell the dev to take care about output encoding
17:08 < mawk> especially when outputting emojis or something like that
17:09 < testtesttestyyty> ill let them know thx, they were planning on implamenting a output to file into it eventualy but then the project got put on hold so been looking to get this work around untill then, ill let them know ty!
17:12 < bratchley> What can I check if I can run "nmcli con up VPN" as the user I'm logged in as and get a graphical prompt but sudo'ing to root and then back to my regular user apparently wants the secrets stored in config? I'm basically trying to get cron to pop up a VPN login box if a script determines I'm not on the local network anymore
17:12 < mawk> you're writing like someone talking all their breath into one sentence
17:12 < mawk> without punctuation or anything
17:12 < mawk> let me reread this
17:15 < mawk> you want cron to check every minute if the vpn is still up bratchley ?
17:15 < bratchley> yeah
17:15 < mawk> so for a full minute you could be without vpn
17:15 < mawk> at the mercy of evil hackers
17:15 < mawk> you should rather ask why would your VPN go down
17:16 < bratchley> because VPN's often have an auto-logout ?
17:16 < mawk> mine doesn't
17:16 < bratchley> cool story
17:16 < mawk> find a better way than a script every minute
17:16 < mawk> like, I don't know, firewall rules
17:16 < bratchley> heh
17:17 < mawk> or even better, getting a VPN software that won't disconnect you behind your back
17:17 < bratchley> it's not the software it's the gateway
17:17 < ayecee> look at this guy with his ideas and solutions
17:17 < bratchley> people were leaving themselves on VPN all the time so they just started logging people off after 24 hours
17:17 < bratchley> yeah I should reconnect to my VPN with my firewall
17:17 < bratchley> I haven't tried that before
17:18 < mawk> your question was very unclear
17:18 < Psi-Jack> Company VPN, or 4th party?
17:18 < bratchley> company
17:19 < mawk> leaving out details isn't very helpful
17:19 < mawk> go with your cron solution now that we know why you use your vpn
17:19 < bratchley> I think I'm coming out of my "desktop" session or something and NetworkManager or dbus or something doesn't see me as being on the desktop session anymore
17:19 < Psi-Jack> Heh, perhaps the 24-hour connection dropping is to keep people from being connected 24/7. Afterall, if you're connecting from home, and you get broken into, the attacker then has easy access to the company assets as well.
17:20 < hubot> i have problem with starting X server on debian sid
17:20 < hubot> i have got installed bumblebee-nvidia primus-libs primus-libs:i386
17:20 < bratchley> Psi-Jack: yeah I'm not complaining about being disconnected I'm just trying to get a graphical pop-up if my VPN connection drops out
17:20 < hubot> screen gets stuck on black when X starts
17:21 < mawk> what happens exactly when it disconnects bratchley ?
17:21 < Psi-Jack> bratchley: You would have to write your own that checks for the tunnel, and uses something like zenity or something to provide said popup.
17:21 < benzrf> yo
17:21 < hubot> how can i fix it?
17:21 < ssarah> for f in $(ls | cut -d- -f1,2 | sort | uniq); do ls $f* -tr | head -n -3 | xargs -r rm;done <- i did it like this
17:21 < ssarah> the files had a - separator that's what i used.
17:21 < ssarah> :)
17:21 < bratchley> Psi-Jack: I'm trying to get it to work with "nmcli" if at all possible since then I can go straight to just entering my login creds
17:21 < Psi-Jack> hubot: Well, for starters. Sid. Everything breaks in Sid.
17:21 < slidinghorn> hubot: You might get help here, but more specific help on Sid is available in #debian-next on OFTC, as well
17:21 < JimBuntu> bratchley, if you have notify-send available to you... that can easily be used to cause a graphical message
17:22 < slidinghorn> hubot: I'll start by asking why you're running the experimental version, though
17:22 < Psi-Jack> bratchley: So, do that when writing your script.
17:23 < mawk> there should be a better way of getting the notification of the connection being down that cron every minute
17:23 < mawk> NetworkManager should have support for that
17:23 < bratchley> Psi-Jack: yeah my original question was about why "nmcli con up VPN" returns "Error: Connection activation failed: Not authorized to control networking." when ran via cron but not when I run it directly from the shell
17:24 < bratchley> and I can reproduce that message by sudo'ing to root and back to my desktop user
17:24 < mawk> the dbus environment variables are lacking
17:24 < mawk> or something in that vein
17:25 < Psi-Jack> So, don't use cron. Use systemd timers.
17:26 < mawk> he could maybe drop his script into /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/pre-down.d/
17:37 < Psi-Jack> mawk: Still not run within the user session level.
17:37 < sembiance> Psi-Jack: systemd. BLEH
17:37 < mawk> no but it will at least run when intended
17:38 < mawk> at the exact moment the connection goes down
17:38 < mawk> instead of checking every minute
17:38 < sembiance> Steps to fix any linux issue. Step 1: Ensure you are not runnign Systemd. Switch to Gentoo or some other non-systemd variant if you are.  Step 2. There is no step 2.
17:39 < Psi-Jack> Ignorant trolls.
17:39 < wiq> Hi. I am running kubuntu and on HP Pavilion G6 1004tx laptop which have AMD Radeon HD 6470M. I wanted to switch to AMD graphic card permanently. So, I added DRI_PRIME=1 to /etc/environment but after restarting I saw a error "kwin crashed" I switched use XRender backend instead. And restarted again. Everything is working fine BUT when I am scrolling webpages the text is flickering
17:43 < slidinghorn> wiq: I just responded in #ubuntu
17:50 < the_drow> I need some advice. I have two scripts which run in parallel that invoke "firejail --net=lxcbr0 --ip=10.0.3.3 -- nc -z 10.0.3.54". One of them succeeds while the other one fails because the IP address is already taken. I cannot pick a different IP address or not run the scripts in parallel. What do I do?
17:53 < mawk> nc -z the_drow ?
17:53 < mawk> that one just checks for listening sockets no ?
17:53 < the_drow> mawk, yup
17:54 < the_drow> I'm running a test that SSH is available from a specific IP address but not from others
17:55 < lseactuary> no one knows about gawk please?
17:56 < the_drow> The only thing I know about awk is that if I need it I'm in trouble :P
17:56 < the_drow> and how to print a column
17:57 < the_drow> mawk, So any advice?
17:57 < the_drow> flock? :(
17:57 < mawk> let me try your thing
17:58 < the_drow> "firejail --net=lxcbr0 --ip=10.0.3.3 -- nc -z 10.0.3.54 22" is the right command actually
17:58 < mawk> ok yeah you can't take the same ip
17:58 < mawk> but why are you doing this ?
17:59 < mawk> it's an ip for the jailed process
17:59 < mawk> you can take the one you want inside the range
17:59 < mawk> where did you see that you can use this trick to detect SSH being available ?
18:00 < the_drow> mawk, The output "Connection to 10.0.3.54 22 port [tcp/ssh] succeeded!"
18:01 < mawk> why are you running this in a firejail ?
18:01 < mawk> you can indeed check if ssh is listening on the lxcbr0 bridge that way
18:02 < mawk> but I don't see the point of firejail here
18:02 < mawk> you're using a separate network namespace for the jailed process indeed, but firejail checks the availability of the IP you chose using ARP
18:02 < mawk> so if it's already taken on lxcbr0 it will fail
18:02 < the_drow> Because that's the easiest way to pretend I'm another LXC container in the network without actually creating one
18:03 < mawk> another LXC container in the network would have a different IP that it's co-containers
18:03 < mawk> same for your jail
18:03 < mawk> you can use the ip you want for the test
18:03 < the_drow> Yes I know
18:03 < mawk> or let the container pick one using DHCP maybe
18:03 < the_drow> but packer runs the test suite in parallel for both of my builds
18:04 < the_drow> I have two containers that have different SSH configurations but accept connections only from the same two IP addresses
18:04 < mawk> I see
18:04 < mawk> but nc -z isn't actually contacting the ssh server
18:04 < the_drow> Right now as a workaround I'm running packer build -parallel=false template.json but that sucks since it obviously doubles the build time
18:04 < mawk> or maybe it is, but it doesn't send data
18:05 < the_drow> mawk, Nope. The next test actually uses the ssh cli with the certificates and all
18:05 < mawk> oh ok
18:05 < the_drow> I have a quick test and a longer test
18:05 < mawk> then yeah you can't use the same IP for both processes
18:05 < mawk> that would be very confusing
18:05 < mawk> they each have a different MAC address
18:05 < the_drow> I'd rather have firejail --wait-for-ip
18:06 < the_drow> I tried --join-or-start but that joins on the same namespace and not the same jail
18:06 < mawk> yes
18:06 < mawk> and it's not what you want ?
18:06 < mawk> it will share the interface
18:06 < mawk> it's a good solution
18:07 < the_drow> mawk, but not the same IP
18:07 < mawk> what ? why
18:07 < mawk> the IP is bound to the network namespace
18:07 < mawk> it should be the same IP
18:07 < the_drow> but firejail refuses
18:07 < the_drow> try it yourself
18:07 < mawk> you could bypass the firejail setting up the ip
18:08 < mawk> tell --ip=none and setting it up yourself using ip
18:08 < the_drow> I know and I was down that path before
18:08 < the_drow> I want something simple :(
18:08 < mawk> lol
18:08 < the_drow> Or not simple but abstracted in such a way that someone else already did the complex work for me
18:08 < mawk> yeah
18:09 < mawk> you could have a first script creating the jail and letting it live
18:09 < mawk> then run your parallel tests each with --ip=none --join-network
18:09 < mawk> and they will automatically use the ip set up before
18:10 < the_drow> mawk, I'll give it a shot tomorrow (or next week because I have a workaround)
18:10 < the_drow> thanks
18:10 < Thedarkb> I just got a kernel oops
18:10 < Thedarkb> Kernel NULL pointer dereference.
18:11 < mawk> is TAINTED written somewhere near that log Thedarkb ?
18:11 < Thedarkb> mawk, I'm just looking at the apport
18:12 < dgarstang> Is is possible to clear/wipe a kernel sysctl setting?
18:13 < mawk> reset it to default ?
18:13 < lastaid> hey, hey, how do i add libftdi1 to my pkg-config search path?
18:14 < lastaid> also, it is looking for libftdi1.pc, when i do a locate (after i did the updatedb) i can't even find it
18:15 < dgarstang> Is is possible to clear/wipe a kernel sysctl setting?
18:16 < Thedarkb> mawk, Where's the log?
18:16 < mawk> in dmesg ?
18:16 < mawk> where did you read that Oops
18:17 < Thedarkb> mawk, The little dialog apport pops up
18:18 < isutoshi> Hi! I have 2 drives in a raid1, which is then encrypted with cryptsetup. Apparently mdadm has added another "ARRAY /dev/md/0 ..." line to mdadm.conf, which makes me unable to open the md0_crypt (/) container. I've tried extracting the initrd.img, editing the mdadm.conf file, and rebuilding the initrd.img, but it ended up in a bad format or something. I also tried booting from a live image and
18:18 < isutoshi> mounting my /boot instead of the existing, and running update-initramfs, which didn't work either.
18:18 < mawk> oh ok
18:18 < isutoshi> Does anyone have any pointers where I could go next?
18:18 < Thedarkb> mawk, I did dmesg --kernel | grep oops but nothing came up.
18:18 < mawk> try grep -i
18:18 < Thedarkb> nope
18:25 < rypervenche> isutoshi: You should chroot into your machine and fix the mdadm.conf and then rebuild your initramfs.
18:25 < isutoshi> That makes sense.
18:25 < rypervenche> isutoshi: It will be easier to let your system rebuild the initramfs the way it normally does instead of your trying to rebuild it after you edit the file.
18:26 < isutoshi> So... how do I manually assemble the raid, just mdadm --assemble?
18:27 < Tipping_Fedora> hey rypervenche it's been a while
18:27 < M3mphiZ> How do I change the DNS server on ubuntu 18.04 if /etc/resolv.conf gets reset to 127.0.0.53 after restarting?
18:27 < Evidlo> anyone know if the rst spec allows for arbitrary custom directives, like '.. foobar:: foo' ?
18:27 < noway42> I need help with an initramfs script. What does ls /run/media do?
18:28 < dgarstang> Is is possible to clear/wipe a kernel sysctl setting?
18:28 < mawk> it's the third time you ask dgarstang
18:28 < mawk> and I've asked you a question
18:28 < mawk> you mean reset to the default value ?
18:28 < dgarstang> mawk: Sorry I missed your question
18:28 < dgarstang> mawk: No, clear it. It's a string, specifically kernel.hostname, so there is no default value
18:31 < mawk> during my tests I set the hostname to \n dgarstang
18:31 < dgarstang> mawk: Setting it to an empty value via sysctl throws an error. Setting it to an empty value in /proc/sys/kernel/hostname results in an empty hostname when php/python make a library call
18:31 < mawk> and now sudo is segfaulting
18:31 < mawk> thank you dgarstang lol
18:32 < noway42> I guess my question is what does /run/media mean?
18:32 < dgarstang> mawk: Jeez, sorry
18:32 < mawk> isn't the default something like (nohost) ?
18:32 < mawk> I vaguely remember something like that
18:32 < dgarstang> mawk: That setting isn't applied at all by default
18:32 < mawk> I see
18:32 < dgarstang> mawk: When not set, php/python return the fqdn, when set they return what's in that setting
18:33 < dgarstang> mawk: and if that setting is empty, they barf
18:33 < Tipping_Fedora> can I get a cloak please?
18:33 < Tipping_Fedora> wrong place... my bad
18:33 < dgarstang> actually if it's empty, hostname barfs
18:33 < revel> Tipping_Fedora: You've already got one.
18:33 < dgarstang> but ... there's no way to set it to nothing. You must set it to something since you can't clear it
18:35 < dgarstang> mawk: So, now we have to reboot ALL our servers. This is nuts
18:35 < rypervenche> dgarstang: Mine is set to my actual hostname without the domain attached.
18:35 < dgarstang> rypervenche: What does python -c 'import socket ; print socket.gethostname()' return?
18:35 < rypervenche> dgarstang: The same thing as in that file.
18:36 < dgarstang> rypervenche: The short name, right?
18:36 < mawk> let me try something dgarstang
18:37 < rypervenche> dgarstang: Yes.
18:37 < mawk> pervenche is a bird in french
18:37 < mawk> also means cop
18:37 < mawk> traffic cop, especially
18:37 < mawk> the one giving you parking tickets
18:37 < rypervenche> mawk: pervenche is a flower and color (periwinkle) in French, as well as that.
18:38 < mawk> didn't know about the flower
18:38 < rypervenche> mawk: It's my first name in verlan + pervenche, mixed into a portmanteau.
18:38 < mawk> lol
18:38 < mawk> I see
18:39 < rypervenche> If you know French and what verlan is, then you will understand the overall meaning and what my nickname in English is that translates quite well into French this way. :P
18:39 < mawk> ok dgarstang
18:40 < rypervenche> Anyways.
18:40 < mawk> if you call sethostname(NULL, 0); it should clear the value
18:40 < mawk> I just tried in a new UTS namespace
18:40 < bratchley> Psi-Jack: alright so the timers thing worked
18:40 < bratchley> I didn't know anything about timers so that's why it took me so long
18:40 < bratchley> thanks
18:40 < mawk> but it produces the same effect as writing an empty value into /proc/sys/kernel/hostname it seems
18:40 < dgarstang> mawk: sethostname.... in C?
18:41 < mawk> yeah
18:41 < mawk> I tried from python
18:42 < mawk> import ctypes, ctypes.util; libc = ctypes.cdll.LoadLibrary(ctypes.util.find_library('c')); libc.sethostname(0, 0)
18:42 < mawk> this dirty way of calling works in 64 bits for some reasons, but you should be more careful in 32 bits
18:42 < mawk> defining a constructor for the function
18:44 < mawk> sethostname = ctypes.CFUNCTYPE(ctypes.c_int, ctypes.c_char_p, ctypes.c_size_t, use_errno=True)(('sethostname', libc))
18:48 < pankaj> I want to change source code of some of the programs in linux to use as per my needs and to remove some functionality. How to get started with it?
18:49 < Dagmar> Start by learning to use Google to find things
18:49 < dgurney> 0) know the correct programming language, 1) figure out where the code you want to change is, 2) change it, 3) recompile and test
18:50 < pankaj> Dagmar: Can you name some commonly used directories which are important or mostly common for change in source code.
18:51 < rypervenche> And possibly: 4) create patch and apply to your distribution, if possible.
18:51 < dgurney> it depends on the program
18:51 < JimBuntu> 5) observe any license requirements.
18:51 < Kremator> guys, i do have extracted the Oracle's jdk in /opt and i want to make it the default jdk used by the system but the command : "sudo update-alternatives --config java" doesnt see it, how can i add that jdk to the $PATH ?
18:52 < dgurney> well for personal use only observing those isn't strictly necessary, but if you redistribute, absolutely
18:52 < Kremator> the distro is debian 8 if it does matters
18:54 < CodeBug> hey room
18:54 < CodeBug> :)
18:56 < lseactuary> anyone here good with gawk commands?
18:56 < Kremator> forget it, i already fixed it by adding it to the path with "export PATH=/opt/jdk1.8.0_161/bin:$PATH"
18:56 < ananke> CodeBug: if you're going to use pretend nomenclature, at least use the one that fits a given medium: 'channel' is what IRC uses
18:56 < ananke> lseactuary: lots of people in #awk
18:56 < lseactuary> kk
18:59 < pankaj> I can view images on tty with image viewer known as 'fbi'. Is it possible that browser like elinks or any other text based browser show images so that I do not have to use any GUI Desktop Environment for it.
19:00 < hexnewbie> pankaj: links2 will, you won't like it
19:00 < freitag772> Hi, in order for flock to be used in cron, the path to the cron.lock file must be unique for each cron job?
19:00 < mawk> yes
19:00 < mawk> unless you want jobs to run in serial
19:00 < hexnewbie> Is there actually a risk of deadlock?
19:01 < hexnewbie> Hm, there shouldn't be
19:01 < freitag772> so then I need to specify for each cron a new .lock file, completely unique
19:01 < mawk> unique per job yes
19:02 < mawk> unless the job aren't independant
19:03 < zer0G> What's the appropriate channel to complain about dead git projects? the project's actual freenode channel is dead.
19:05 < nobrain> wat
19:05 < o|0o^|> zer0G: : #git ???
19:05 < pankaj> hexnewbie: I did not understand
19:06 < hexnewbie> pankaj: Don't expect for modern web sites to be usable in it, or to ever be happy without X.
19:06 < wiq> Is there a way to check that which gpu a app/process is using?
19:06 < pankaj> hexnewbie: OK
19:07 < kalipso> hey guys, when sendin a mail from my server with sendmail " sendmail -v foo@bar.org < test.mail" i get the mail delivered to my mailbox. but when i send to that server, having an alias in /etc/mail/aliases "foo: foo@bar.org" it doesnt get send towards the given address
19:08 < kalipso> how can i troubleshot that ?
19:08 < o|0o^|> wiq: maybe,  lsof | grep '/dev/dri'  and work backwards from there until you figure out what the "app" is connected to that is talking to dri subsystem
19:10 < wiq> o|0o^|, the process names mentioned in the output of that command are using which gpu? i have intel integrated and amd
19:11 < o|0o^|> what file do they have open?
19:11 < wiq> o|0o^|, some have /dev/dri/renderD129 and some have /dev/dri/card0
19:12 < Psi-Jack> bratchley: Good stuff.
19:12 < Psi-Jack> bratchley: SystemD FTW! :D
19:12 < o|0o^|> how many cards in /dev/dri
19:12 < wiq> o|0o^|, card0  card1  renderD128  renderD129
19:15 < wiq> o|0o^|, i have figured that out. renderD129 is amd and card0 is intel
19:19 < FRWB_> if i tunnel via ssh to browse then run a program with the same session i created the tunnel with, would that slow down the browser?
19:19 < FRWB_> as in would it slow down browsing in any way
19:20 < wiq> o|0o^|, can you tell me how can make my system (kubuntu) start my desktop environment (plasma) with env DRI_PRIME=1?
19:20 < o|0o^|> wiq: i don't know you can probably piece together which card is which from /sys/class/drm/card0/device and card1, but they just report ID's not names. :(
19:20 < o|0o^|> i don't know how any of that works, does it have to be a kernel boot param or just an environment variable?
19:21 < rypervenche> FRWB_: It won't really affect it, unless you're somehow transferring a ton of data from your machine to the SSH server or vice versa via that terminal, which you wouldn't be for just an SSH command.
19:21 < o|0o^|> if it's a boot command add it to your boot loader, if envirnoment add it to your init/login/whatever sets env for your user
19:22 < FRWB_> rypervenche, the browser is opening a websocket and so is the program i run from the same session
19:22 < wiq> o|0o^|, i don't know if thats boot or enviornment. i just want to edit the command which my system executes to start my desktop environment (plasma)
19:23 < FRWB_> rypervenche, so they're both transferring tons of data but they shouldn't affect each other right because they're separate sockets?
19:24 < rypervenche> FRWB_: Yes, I understand that. But if you're running a program in that same terminal, just stdin and stdout will be going between the servers, encrypted of course.
19:24 < FRWB_> hm
19:27 < wiq> o|0o^|, can you tell me which file in ubuntu contains the commands that start desktop environment at the startup?
19:27 < o|0o^|> wiq: no idea how ubuntu does anything
19:28 < o|0o^|> i set env vars in PID 1
19:28 < hubot> i haven't god idea how to repair this error
19:28 < o|0o^|> well, an immediate fork from pid 1
19:28 < hubot> i reinstalled nvidia drivers and i have the same problem
19:32 < Netham46> Is there any way to turn off a single display without reconfiguring the visible desktop on the system? I want something that I can use to turn off my secondary monitors while watching a movie without it jacking with my window positions/taking so long to resize my desktop.
19:32 < rory> long stick
19:33 < nobrain> that's what she said
19:33 < well_laid_lawn> the secondary monitor should hae a power button
19:33 < Netham46> well_laid_lawn: you'd think.
19:35 < hubot> i haven't god idea how to repair this error i reinstalled nvidia drivers and i have the same problem
19:35 < Netham46> but, that's the exact behavior I want, well_laid_lawn.
19:37 < Netham46> Hrm, maybe I'll just make an outlet I can control and hook the screens up to that.
19:48 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
19:48 < Psi-Jack> I think I need to adjust the timers on my smartyfilters. I didn't see hubot leave.
19:51 < hehehe> whats the typical corporate emails format
19:52 < hehehe> a.joe@gg.com
19:52 < hehehe> or alex.jones@gg.com
19:54 < sauvin> Psi-Jack, what are "smartyfilters"?
19:54 < o|0o^|> alex.jones@cia.gov
19:55 < hexnewbie> hehehe: ajerk@accorhotel.com
19:56 < sauvin> I've seen some pretty unfortunate email addresses that way, guys like "Dick Smith" wind up being "dicks@hardware.com".
19:56 < Psi-Jack> sauvin: Lua script for HexChat to handle smarter join/part filtering. So I can filter them out, but not if they've reasonably reasonly said something.
19:56 < Psi-Jack> recently*
19:56 < sauvin> Got that. I'm considering writing something similar to shut joins and parts to another window.
19:58 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. The smarty filters script is extremely good, and despite being Lua, is easy to work with even when getting into the code of it. :)
19:58 < kavity> You can do that by default with irssi.
19:59  * Psi-Jack yawns.
19:59 < TingPing> sauvin, here is a starting point for that: https://github.com/TingPing/plugins/blob/master/HexChat/highlight.lua
19:59 < TingPing> sauvin, just hook join/part instead of highlights
19:59 < Psi-Jack> Ahh, smartparts.lua, not smarty. :)
20:00 < sauvin> TingPing, unfortunately, I've never learned lua. That's exactly what I was thinking, though, hooking join/part print hooks.
20:00 < Psi-Jack> Heh. Oh, TingPing is here. :)
20:00 < TingPing> lua is pretty clean and simple
20:01 < sauvin> Also, I don't seem to have a lua plugin. :D
20:01 < Psi-Jack> Ahh, default smartparts was 5 minutes. :_)
20:01 < TingPing> you were on debian right? its in hexchat-lua
20:02 < Psi-Jack> sauvin: He even knows you.. Too well. ;)
20:02 < sauvin> Ubuntu 16.04.
20:02 < TingPing> same name should apply
20:02 < Psi-Jack> Oh.. Snap. :)
20:02 < sauvin> I seriously doubt TingPing is very fond of me, either. :D
20:03 < TingPing> sauvin, last we spoke we discussed the flatpak right? well i did end up packaging the perl plugin there
20:03 < sauvin> Not finding hexchat-lua in repos. Hrm.
20:03 < sauvin> I don't remember flatpak but I do remember your complaining perl didn't build cleanly. That's perl5, right? Any chance of a perl 6 plugin?
20:04 < Dagmar> Perl6 can probably parse IRC directly
20:04 < sauvin> For that matter, so can perl 5.
20:04 < TingPing> well perl 6 is a totally different language so.. if somebody feels like making a new plugin
20:04 < sauvin> Yeah. Lots changed between 5 and 6.
20:04 < Dagmar> I was making a different kind of joke there, since perl 6 can (under some circumstances) bloody run uncompiled C code
20:05 < TingPing> every language that can open a network connection can do irc ofc
20:06 < sauvin> Some better than others, though. I wouldn't want to try to write any kind of client in Basic, for example, although a simple bot might be doable.
20:06 < Psi-Jack> oftc? *scratches head*
20:08 < TingPing> Psi-Jack, ofc == of course, if that was directed at me
20:08 < Psi-Jack> Yes it was. And no, of course == of course. :)
20:08 < sauvin> If I ever succeed in making hexchat listen to another TCP/IP port in a nonblocking way, it'll no longer matter WHAT language you want to write your hexchat scripts in. :D
20:09 < TingPing> sauvin, just have to pull in glib
20:09 < Psi-Jack> sauvin: Hmmm.. Why tcp? named pipes would suffice well too. ;)
20:09 < sauvin> Pipes are too fragile and not nearly flexible enough.
20:10 < Dagmar> wait, what?
20:10 < Dagmar> How is non-blocking socket calls hard?
20:10 < TingPing> Dagmar, not hard, just needs to integrate into the mainloop
20:10 < sauvin> Dagmar, I've not succeeded in doing that under hexchat. By itself, perl has zero trouble with it.
20:10 < Dagmar> Ahhh
20:11  * sauvin makes note: investigate glib
20:11 < _UsUrPeR_> Hey all. I have three USB coin miners operating off the same USB hub. I am trying to figure out why one of the USB miners is consistently capable of performing more work than the other two. The USB miner which consistently performs more work is typically the first USB miner detected.
20:11 < Dagmar> It's probably going back and getting stuck on hexchat's select loop
20:11 < TingPing> sauvin, perl certainly has bindings
20:11 < _UsUrPeR_> I am trying to figure out if this is a USB hub bandwidth issue, or something else
20:11 < sauvin> So I see.
20:11 < _UsUrPeR_> independently tested, each of these USB miners is capable of performing at the same speed
20:12 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:12 < TingPing> sauvin, you can either use glibs socket api itself which hides the threading details, or you can do your own work in the a thread and just use glib to sync back up with the main thread
20:12 < _UsUrPeR_> but when they are all operating at once, one takes the lead, and the other two consistently perform at 1/3rd of the frontrunner
20:13 < Psi-Jack> _UsUrPeR_: ##hardware
20:13 < sauvin> I've never tried any threading under hexchat.
20:13 < _UsUrPeR_> Psi-Jack, okay, thanks. :)
20:13 < Psi-Jack> _UsUrPeR_: Obviously I imagine you know, not likely a hoard of bitcoin miner lovers. So tread carefully.
20:13 < sauvin> Maybe this weekend I'll fool with it. If threading doesn't interfer with hexchat itself, then I can do pretty much whatever the hell I want.
20:13 < sauvin> interfere, even.
20:14 < Dagmar> Thei threading might be an issue
20:14 < TingPing> sauvin, yea your threads can do anything *except* interact with the hexchat API
20:14 < _UsUrPeR_> Psi-Jack, this is something that's more of a puzzle for me. Regardless of what the USB device is, I am more looking for a solution. If this is a bandwidth thing, or a driver issue
20:14 < sauvin> Not a problem. Have the thread shove input onto a thread-safe queue and poll it every 500ms or so.
20:14 < hexnewbie> _UsUrPeR_: There's usbmon, but it's not included in Debian. I can only see in Arch's AUR. There might be some other tool based on usbmon that can help tell if you this is bandwidth. Can be the software operating those miners (have no clue how those operate) as well
20:14 < Dagmar> Unless they've really rewritten that from the core, remember i wrote the first docs for x-chat's perl api by _reading the source code_
20:15 < TingPing> sauvin, yup that would totally work
20:15 < hexnewbie> _UsUrPeR_: Er, there's *usbtop*, usbmon is just the kernel module usbtop uses. Sorry.
20:15 < pqangel> Hi :)
20:15 < pqangel> I have a question about traps and process states. Can a process in user mode provoke a change in the state of a process directly? such as going from ready -> run or ready -> end
20:15 < TingPing> Dagmar, it has changed very little
20:15 < Dagmar> hexchat calls the perl code, but there's not really a way to have perl come back and tell hexchat something independently
20:16 < sauvin> That's what I'm running into. It doesn't have an input pipe the same way weechat has.
20:16 < TingPing> you can call into hexchat whenever, it just has to be on the main thread
20:16 < hexnewbie> Can't you launch a mainloop in a thread and make it talk back to hexchat on some common event you can bind on?
20:17 < TingPing> hexchat already has a mainloop, and you can use glib.idle_add() to call into it from another thread
20:17 < _UsUrPeR_> hexnewbie, thanks! I'll check it out
20:17 < sauvin> I'll be looking into that, I think, but I'm not even a fraction as smart as I might sometimes seem.
20:18 < sauvin> The only "event loop" I'm familiar with is POE.
20:18 < hexnewbie> TingPing: Ah, yeah. glib would be accessible. I forgot that would be the case. Then it makes no sense to do what I suggested :)
20:18 < Exagone313> Hi, on Linux, what mode is required to connect to a unix domain socket?  In man 7 unix "Pathname socket ownership and permissions" it talks about the write permission but it is not clear.  Thanks.
20:19 < sauvin> Exagone313, connect to a unix domain socket with what?
20:19 < Exagone313> with connect, in C
20:19 < o|0o^|> Exagone313: rw and x on the directory i think,  or maybe it needs x on the file
20:20 < Exagone313> I guess I'll have to tias then..
20:20 < Psi-Jack> No sockets don't need x
20:20 < hexnewbie> My money is on rw, but I don't actually know the answer
20:20 < o|0o^|> how sure are you Psi-Jack
20:20 < Psi-Jack> 100%
20:20 < Exagone313> I'd say rw too, but I don't know what happens without r, maybe you can't use read? lol
20:21 < Dagmar> There should be a new error symbol of ESRSLYNO for when you even try to apply x to that
20:21 < sauvin> :D
20:21 < o|0o^|> the directory needs +x, Psi-Jack
20:21 < Psi-Jack> Nope
20:21 < o|0o^|> yeap
20:22 < Exagone313> I wasn't thinking of the directory itself
20:22 < Psi-Jack> Just r
20:22 < Exagone313> just the unix domain socket file
20:22 < hexnewbie> Ah, that smartparts.lua is really something. So quiet, yet unconfusing.
20:22 < Psi-Jack> Well the directory needs x but not r
20:22 < Dagmar> "ESRSLYNO - This means that an error has occurred because the operation performed is impossible and/or insane.  Upon recieving this error, a programmer should really sit down and evaluate their life choices."
20:23 < Dagmar> There's all *kinds* of problems that could be eliminated if we had an error symbol like that
20:25 < Psi-Jack> Dagmar: I'm a fan of the idea. That and EURFIRED
20:25 < hexnewbie> That would reduce the length of rope *nix gives ya, though
20:25 < Dagmar> No it would add granularity to the sharp drop at the end
20:25 < Dagmar> s/drop/stop/
20:26 < Dagmar> I scribbled up a patch to MythWeb so that it would actually handle multi-part range requests, and I caught a bit of flack because there were 32 different variations of the freetext reported back with the _one_ numeric error
20:26 < Psi-Jack> hexnewbie: Nice eh? TingPing does good work. :)
20:27 < hexnewbie> chmod -R 777 (or anything matching & 0111) should probably trigger some kind of alarm, though, similar to --preserve-root. And require to at least pass --allow-stupid
20:27 < hubot> linux only boots with acpi=off on grub
20:27 < Dagmar> Several of those could have been made much more explanatory if there were simply a response code indicating the request was barkingly mad
20:28 < Dagmar> >64 ranges in one request?  Good lord no.
20:28 < pqangel> anyone can help me out about how traps and process states work?
20:28 < hexnewbie> Psi-Jack: Yeah :)
20:28 < Dagmar> Overlapping, inverse ranges?  Oh gods no
20:28 < Dagmar> pqangel: Traps are easy.  Just call them "signal handlers"
20:28 < Psi-Jack> pqangel: Ask better questions. not ask to ask.
20:28 < pqangel> I have a question about traps and process states. Can a process in user mode provoke a change in the state of a process directly? such as going from ready -> run or ready -> end
20:29 < sy> Hi
20:30 < sy> When using wpa_supplicant, the CPu usage spikes to 20% every now and again, causing videos to lag and video games to momentarily freeze.
20:30 < sy> Any ideas what could be causing this?
20:31 < Psi-Jack> Is the videos being streamed over wireless, and game?
20:31 < royal_screwup21> so I can run ./adb kill-server and ./adb start-sever inside a specific directory (~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools). I want to be able to run these commands globally. How do I do that?
20:31 < Psi-Jack> royal_screwup21: Create an alias
20:32 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21, You can use an alias, or you can also put that directory in your path
20:32 < Psi-Jack> I recommend aliases for something so specific.
20:32 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21, what shell are you using?
20:32 < JimBuntu> Psi-Jack, he may also need fastboot, so many 2 alias lines
20:32 < hexnewbie> sy: Do you happen to know if the game is dying due to insufficient CPU resources (e.g. you're using 100% of all CPUs), or network delay? I'd monitor the traffic in both instances, and consider going medieval and connecting a cable
20:32 < Psi-Jack> JimBuntu: *waits for shellz.org answers*
20:33 < Psi-Jack> :)
20:33 < royal_screwup21> JimBuntu: erm, just the vanilla one that comes with ubunut 16.04 :)
20:33 < royal_screwup21> ubuntu*
20:33 < JimBuntu> Psi-Jack, I was going to make a recommendation of where to place the alias ;-)
20:33 < kalipso> hey, my mailman membership list stays empty and i cant do anything about it. does someone know how mailman handles membership lists?
20:33 < royal_screwup21> off to figuring out how to add a directory to a path
20:33 < sy> Psi-Jack: no, local video files and both single and multi player games
20:33 < Psi-Jack> kalipso: Depends on how it's configured.
20:34 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21,           alias adb='~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb'                   <-- within ~/.bashrc
20:34 < sy> hexnewbie: unlikely, ^
20:34 < Psi-Jack> sy: What WNIC make/model?
20:34 < sy> a TL-WDN3200
20:35 < Psi-Jack> Ahh, TP-Link.
20:35 < hexnewbie> sy: Have you shut down your email client?
20:35 < royal_screwup21> JimBuntu: cool thanks! Just wondering, by doing this, I haven't added "~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools/adb" to PATH though, right?
20:35 < sy> hexnewbie: yep
20:35 < sy> only things open are mosh and mpv
20:35 < pqangel> Psi-Jack: Can a user mode trap change the state of a process directly? such as going from ready to run or from blocked to ready
20:35 < pqangel> say I make a program that waits for user input
20:35 < Psi-Jack> Ahh, ralinkcrap.
20:35 < Psi-Jack> There's your problem. :)
20:35 < sy> I'll try without wpa supplicant
20:36 < sy> but it does spike
20:36 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21, if you are using other tools that also need access, you may still wind up wanting to add... export PATH=$PATH:~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools
20:36 < pqangel> the process will go from run to blocked
20:36 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21, an alias doesn't effect your path, simply lets you make a command name that the shell (BASH in this case) understand.
20:37 < pqangel> but who is making the call?? I'm I making it directly? or is the OS catching the excepction and changing the state of the process?
20:37 < royal_screwup21> awesome, thank you! so this  - export PATH=$PATH:~/Android/Sdk/platform-tools - essentially says add Android/Sdk/platform-tools to my existing PATH, right?
20:38 < Dagmar> royal_screwup21: Yeah
20:38 < Dagmar> ...although Android Studio should be handling anything like that that it needs all on it's own if you launch it with the included shell script
20:38 < JimBuntu> royal_screwup21, yes, that is correct.
20:38 < Penguin> Dagmar: "its"
20:38 < Dagmar> IIRC there's a studio.sh sitting around in the bin/ subdirectory
20:39 < mawk> your sole life purpose is to correct Dagmar, Penguin ?
20:39 < Penguin> I wouldn't go that far.
20:39 < Psi-Jack> mawk: He used to always correct me. ;)
20:39 < Dagmar> It's amazing how effective one line of ircLL script can be
20:39 < Penguin> People sometimes need help.
20:39 < Dagmar> er ircII
20:41 < Psi-Jack> You know. There should be an IRC client called BitchX. Oh... Wait.. There is one already. :/
20:42 < Dagmar> I'm not big on pedantry
20:42 < Psi-Jack> I know. Your accuracy sometimes fails you. :)
20:43 < royal_screwup21> so I exported my new PATH like so: https://thepasteb.in/p/r0hwjgMy92kcK and I tried running the adb commands. It said :bash: ./adb: No such file or directory" -- I double checked the directory name and it's all correct. What am I doing wrong?
20:44 < royal_screwup21> oh, and I also sourced the ~./bashrc
20:44 < Dagmar> royal_screwup21: Do not type the ./ part
20:44 < Psi-Jack> royal_screwup21: If it's in the PATH, ./ isn't used. . means, in the current / directory run adb.
20:44 < Dagmar> Once you've added that directory to your path, adb will be accessible by simply running it as "adb"
20:45 < royal_screwup21> ah I see! thanks folks!
20:45 < Dagmar> If this is from a shell script that has ./abd hard-coded into it, _clearly_ it was meant to be run _from_ that directory
20:45 < Psi-Jack> I still strongly recommend an alias. :)
20:45 < Psi-Jack> But oh well. hehe
20:45 < Dagmar> Psi-Jack: Well, there's probably a better than 85% chance this is an X-Y problem since this dude installed AS like, two days ago
20:46 < Psi-Jack> Yep.
20:46 < Dagmar> ...and there's a freakin' window within AS for running those tools that drops you right into the directory
20:46 < Dagmar> I just dont' want to dig deeper to find the bottom of this particular vein of crazy right now
20:46 < Dagmar> He's learning stuff.  That's good enough.
20:48 < Dagmar> Actually, that it's not running on my desktop right now is kind of rare
20:48 < Dagmar> I've had to spend *way* too much time with Android Studio lately.  It's making me feel irritable with vim
20:49 < azarus> Is it normal for a 'resync' of a 4x2TB RAID6 to take 16 hours? :S
20:49 < JimBuntu> Dagmar, idk about you, but I ude ADB/fastboot quit a bit from the CLI.
20:49 < JimBuntu> s/ude/use
20:49 < Dagmar> azarus: It could be faster but if it's still _in use_ just be happy if there's measurable progress forward
20:50 < Psi-Jack> azarus: You asked this yesterday, didn't you?
20:50 < azarus> Psi-Jack: nope
20:50 < azarus> never asked anything related to RAID here
20:50 < Psi-Jack> azarus: Still doing this over USB3?
20:50 < Dagmar> JimBuntu: Well, this is why I know about the little window within AS
20:50 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm
20:50 < azarus> Psi-Jack: absolutely not
20:50 < hexnewbie> azarus: See sync_speed_min and sync_speed_max in /sys/block/mdX/md (where mdX is the MD device such as md1, md2)
20:50 < azarus> you must be mistaken
20:50 < Dagmar> JimBuntu: Especially considering that I just finished breaking the spirit of an SM-G930P
20:50 < Psi-Jack> I guess so.
20:50 < azarus> hexnewbie: I tried fiddling with those sysctls, doesn't make it faster :/
20:51 < hexnewbie> azarus: What's your current min speed?
20:51 < JimBuntu> Dagmar, what a coincidence, I am using adb to talk to a G930 right now
20:51 < azarus> hexnewbie: default
20:51 < Dagmar> All ya typically have to do is click to that window and start banging out `adb shell pm uninstall com.sprint.craptacular.app` commands
20:51 < azarus> also, is creating a write-intent bitmap okay?
20:51 < azarus> it's doing it by default
20:52 < JimBuntu> Dagmar, a lot of what I do doesn't involve me starting AS, don't use it for writing or compiling.
20:52 < hexnewbie> azarus: So you didn't actually play with those files?
20:52 < azarus> hexnewbie: I played mostly with the sysctls
20:52 < azarus> should have the same effect
20:52 < Dagmar> JimBuntu: I'm still on the fence about whether or not I want to look into getting a Moto or try and connect the relevant Lineage developer with the relevant person at Samsung who'll get something done about unlocking the bootloader on this Sprint model to keep it in line with their recent upcycling program
20:53 < Dagmar> JimBuntu: I have a few different Android projects, some simple, and some ridiculously complex
20:53 < hexnewbie> azarus: Maybe, but if your min speed is still the default and you don't know what it is, maybe they didn't
20:53 < azarus> OK then.
20:53 < azarus> Will try with the files in sysfs
20:53 < JimBuntu> Dagmar, at rish of being offtopic shamed (last one), I suggest you do whole-heartedly, especially since it's Sprint we are talking about
20:54 < azarus> hexnewbie: what sort of speed is reasonable for sync_speed_min/max?
20:55 < hexnewbie> azarus: I don't usually touch max, and increase min as much as I can without interfering with the use of the RAID, or with as much deterioration to actual use I can stomach if no interference gives me abysmal speed
20:56 < azarus> hexnewbie: I just created the array, nothing's using it.
20:57 < hexnewbie> azarus: So average speed of 34 MB on disks that aren't used by anything else? Is this SATA or SAS, or some other bus?
20:58 < azarus> hexnewbie: SATA.
20:58 < hexnewbie> 34 MB / 16 hour may be OK as a compromise to not degrade live performance, but it's too low on otherwise unused disks (and shouldn't be affected by min speed at all)
20:58 < azarus> that min setting has brought that estimate way down
20:59 < azarus> it guesses 7 hours now
20:59 < hexnewbie> azarus: Do you have something other than this RAID on those disks? The kernel shouldn't be shy in resyncing if not
20:59 < Psi-Jack> SATA 1, 2, or 3?
20:59 < azarus> SATA 3
20:59 < azarus> hexnewbie: nothing
20:59 < Psi-Jack> Spinning or SSD?
20:59 < azarus> Spinning
21:00 < Psi-Jack> Good. :)
21:00 < azarus> Why?
21:00 < azarus> SSDs are also good.
21:00 < Psi-Jack> SSD's die faster in RAID.
21:00 < azarus> Sources on that, or should I go digging myself?
21:01 < boblamont> I just want to be sure before duplicating this for 24/7 in crontab, 0 23 * * 0 /home/script/07-sun-2300.sh will run the 07-sun-2300.sh script every Sunday at 23:00 (aka 11pm) and 0 0 * * 1 /home/script/01-mon-0000.sh will follow at midnight, right?
21:02 < Dagmar> Should be
21:02 < bswork> Any mailman expertise online? I need to find out if the is a command to list all users apart of a list that have unmoderated access.
21:02 < azarus> Now It's telling me 6 hours, yay :P
21:03 < Dagmar> It depends on if someone decides to rewrite crond and feed it to systemd, and that it's somehow ethniocentric to assume the week starts on Sunday
21:03 < Psi-Jack> boblamont: Using a distro with systemd?
21:03 < Dagmar> You might find it more useful to see if the imeplmentation supports using three-letter day abbreviations
21:03 < bswork> I can list all members of a list with list_members which shows me only the email address with no permissions
21:05 < hexnewbie> azarus: I don't know what Psi-Jack means by die faster in RAID, but the mere act of building RAID on SSDs without over-provisioning with MD causes Linux to write zeroes to the entire SSDs. Unless the firmware is clever to treat zeros as discard, that would mark the whole SSD as used and cause worse wear-levelling. Couple with bad TRIM/discard passing across layers (don't know if RAID levels other than 1 do TRIM yet, some SAS controllers
21:05 < hexnewbie> won't expose TRIM), and the SSDs are to be exterminated quickly :)
21:06 < umairbalani> if I would like to take complete backup of physical server (excluding proc and sys directories) and preserve directory sturcture, whats best possible option is?
21:06 < azarus> hexnewbie: thanks for the info
21:07 < boblamont> Systemd is installed. Ideally I want it as portable as possible... I'm doing it for someone else on a machine I don't think they'll really find powerful enough for very long.
21:07 < azarus> hexnewbie: estimated time has skyrocketed again, now saying it'd take 23 hours
21:07 < hexnewbie> azarus: But that should be preventable with sane hardware and knowing what you're doing :)
21:08 < hexnewbie> azarus: Run iostat -mxz 10 on the RAID members. See if one of the four disks stands out as significantly more loaded (%util close to 100%, with others close to 0-20%)
21:11 < umairbalani> any suggestions guys?
21:12 < Dagmar> checking dmesg occasionally to make sure none of the drives is throwing a fit isn't a bad idea
21:12 < hexnewbie> Oh, and one thing about SSDs, RAID bitmaps may increase writes a lot.
21:12 < Psilocyber> Is anyone administering linux based SAN? Wonder other peoples preference for kernel updates in production. Do you update only when needed or do you keep it up-to-date via a schedule (ie check monthly or something) or ?
21:13 < Dagmar> ...and if one of the four *consistently* behaves differently from the rest, either you made bad purchasing decisions, or you might want to stop the sync and start asking that drive some very pointed questions with smartctl
21:13 < Dagmar> It could actually be failing
21:13 < hexnewbie> azarus: Yeah, like Dagmar suggests, a dying drive is a potential cause for this
21:13 < Dagmar> The timing would be awful, but ignoring it would be worse
21:13 < Dagmar> One pass with the extended/long test would rule out a lot of causes
21:18 < azarus> Hmm. Most of the drives are brand new.
21:19 < azarus> (well, utilised for like a month with no problems)
21:20 < azarus> The iostat looks okay to me.
21:20 < Dagmar> It's still possible one of them suffers from SIDS
21:20 < azarus> What would be suspicious?
21:21 < Dagmar> azarus: Seeing one repeatedly drop well below the maximum IO throughput for the drive
21:21 < azarus> They're all about the same.
21:21 < Dagmar> It would generally indicate the drive has _stopped_ responding for a moment while it figures out what to do about a sector mis-read
21:21 < Dagmar> (it's super fun when they do that)
21:22 < solidfox> Dagmar, hey dude
21:22 < solidfox> long time no see.
21:22 < Dagmar> You should be able to rule hardware issues out by querying each of the drives with smartctl --all while it's doing this.  It won't slow them down
21:22 < solidfox> I mean
21:22 < Dagmar> ANything showing some pending uncorrected sectors could be cause for alarm
21:22 < solidfox> long time no chat
21:22 < Dagmar> sup
21:23 < Dagmar> Note that *some* vendors have their own rather "special" ideas about what values should be reported for some metrics, so if you see sixteen bajillion sector read errors being reported _don't panic_
21:23 < SpeakerToMeat> Hello
21:23 < SpeakerToMeat> Is there any way to change bash's sort order to natural sort?
21:24 < Dagmar> If the number isn't changing, it was probably some idiot engineer's idea to stick in an additional value and << 32 the thing
21:24 < Dagmar> This happens _often_
21:24 < azarus> Hmm. All SMART values look OK to me.
21:24 < Dagmar> That's good
21:24 < azarus> Should I paste them somewhere for all to see?
21:24 < Dagmar> The issue was probably just the rebuild happening slowly to keep from interfering
21:25 < Dagmar> Sure feel free to pastebin one
21:25 < azarus> (they're two different drive types)
21:25 < Dagmar> I've got some mirrored disks and a 5 here.  So long as all the housekeeping is done "before Tuesday" I'm fine with it being slow
21:26 < Dagmar> azarus: you know that's generalyl not recommended, right?
21:26 < Dagmar> Like, it's not going to be fatal, but they'll likely not perform in lockstep with one another and could affect throughput a bit at weird times
21:26 < azarus> I know.
21:26 < Dagmar> Okay, just makin' sure
21:26 < azarus> But I'm not exactly overflowing with $$$
21:27 < Dagmar> Same here
21:27 < Dagmar> Well, actually, I'm a cheap-ass
21:27 < azarus> sda: https://ptpb.pw/0kkt sdb: https://ptpb.pw/Vb8I sdc: https://ptpb.pw/1ond sdd: https://ptpb.pw/H9FY
21:27 < Dagmar> ...but I figure with a few thousand dollars in hardware around for _just me_ maybe I shouldn't just spew money in every direction
21:28 < Dagmar> Oh lol.  Raw_Read_Error_Rate is exactly one of those insane values I was talking about
21:29 < azarus> Dagmar: in which one?
21:29 < Dagmar> On the first, second, and fourth
21:29 < Dagmar> For drives this "young" those high values would be insane and increasing at a _breathtaking_ pace
21:30 < Dagmar> They're probably not changing at all
21:30 < azarus> I just bought those like a month ago
21:30 < Dagmar> Vendors can be real tossers about coming up with their own ways to report values
21:30 < Psilocyber> standards? we dont need no stinkin' standards!
21:31 < Dagmar> Current_Pending_Sector <-- this is one that should always involve scrutiny
21:31 < SpeakerToMeat> I would like natural sort for all of bash... it would be painful to make aliases for stuff like ls, but that wouldn't even work for autocomplete
21:31 < Dagmar> It's a count of sectors the drive definitely _could not_ read properly, and will now be *refusing* to access until you attempt to write to them
21:31 < Dagmar> If it's ever non-zero its' time to start running SMART tests
21:32 < azarus> here's /proc/mdstat: https://ptpb.pw/w-Zf
21:33 < noway42> I want to simulate drives of different transport protocols (ATA, IDE, SCSI) and different sizes (2GB,4GB so on). What tool can I use to do this? I know there's a way to do this using virtual machines but I'm having trouble on my Ubuntu spinning one up.
21:33 < azarus> it actually went down again: https://ptpb.pw/YEQo
21:38 < Trel> Is there anything similar to directory symlinks but that essentially redirects you like a shortcut? So for example, if I did 'cd /shortcuts/thing_im_asking_about' it would work and pwd would return '/path/to/actual/directory'?
21:42 < lopid> no but "realpath ." would
21:45 < geirha> Trel: cd -P
21:46 < geirha> or cd, and then pwd -P
21:46 < azarus> Dagmar: I've noticed with iostat that either they're all either all doing stuff for a while or doing nothing for a while. is that normal?
21:51 < Styil> Hello there, am trying to reset my password on the rpi
21:52 < Styil> Added init=/bin/ah to the proper boot file
21:52 < Styil> Now I am getting some error, not actually sure what it is, but the full boot process isn’t completing
21:52 < BCMM> Styil: is that meant to say /bin/sh, /bin/ash, or something else?
21:53 < Styil> bin/sh
21:53 < Styil> Sorry, on a phone, autocorrect
21:53 < Styil> Anyways, I try to change the password, I get a token authentication error
21:53 < BCMM> Styil: also (and in general) the actual error message matters - perhaps take a photo, if you don't want to type it all out
21:53 < Styil> So I hear the issue is that the file system is in read only mode
21:54 < BCMM> also, if you boot with init=/bin/sh, "the full boot process isn’t completing" is expected behaviour
21:54 < BCMM> Styil: yes. init is the command that the kernel executes after it finishes early boot stuff. it is responsible for starting everything else on the system. if you boot with init=/bin/sh, you just get a shell instead - you're then responsible for, well, everything
21:55 < Styil> I try to remount /, problem is that it apparently can’t find its uuid
21:55 < Styil> Or something
21:55 < BCMM> Styil: try `mount -o remount,rw /`
21:55 < noway42> How good is Xen for virtual machines? I'm using ubuntu and I want different virtual hard drives of different sizes and different transport protocols
21:55 < Styil> mount: can’t find part uuid
21:55 < Styil> Hence my problem
21:56 < ksk> Styil: use eg fdisk, to find out which partition should contain your "/" - then "mkdir /mnt/foo; mount /dev/sdXY /mmnt/foo;
21:56 < azarus> Is "mdadm --create /dev/md0 --assume-clean <blah" a bad idea, on a RAID6?
21:56 < azarus> <blah>*
21:56 < Styil> fdisk: cannot open /proc/partitions: no such file or directory ksk
21:57 < Styil> after running fdisk -l
21:57 < ksk> the errormessage might come in handy now ;)
21:58 < Styil> The issue is that I look through the boot process and don’t see anything particularly wrong
21:58 < BCMM> Styil: do you have a linux desktop/laptop around (with an SD card reader)?
21:58 < TJ-> Styil: if you booted to /bin/bash whatever, then you've not let the init system do the mounts
21:58 < Styil> BCMM: yes
21:58 < ksk> noway42: its much good. you might however take a look at new, fancy ways to do things.
21:59 < BCMM> hang on, just remembered the pi is an arm and you can't really just chroot it...
21:59 < noway42> ksk what you mean?
21:59 < mrrmx> Sveta_: you there
21:59 < Sveta_> sup
21:59 < ksk> like, do you need a VM, or is a container enough? Xen also is not too easy to configure (like a docker pull $image or how you use docker would be easier)
21:59 < BCMM> is there an easy way to just run passwd on a different passwd file?
21:59 < Styil> https://imgur.com/a/SuzDT
21:59 < TJ-> Styil: "mount -o remount-rw /; mount -t proc proc /proc -o rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime"
21:59 < Styil> This is the boot menu
21:59 < Styil> Boot log I mean
21:59 < ksk> BCMM: maybe bind-mounting it?
22:00  * ksk hides
22:00 < mrrmx> Sveta_: I went out today and bought a high quality pci-e to usb type 3.1/c and I can't find drivers for it..
22:00 < azarus> mrrmx: maybe first search for drivers, then buy the hardware?
22:01 < azarus> research OS support first, then buy
22:01 < BCMM> huh, turns out there's a passwd --root option
22:01 < mrrmx> I know
22:01 < TJ-> mrrmx: existing xhci drivers ought to handle something like that. What does "lspci -nnk" report for that device?
22:02 < Styil> TJ-: getting can’t find his and can’t find proc/proc
22:02 < Styil> can’t find uuid
22:02 < BCMM> Styil: well, i'm going AFK now, but this is my suggestion: put the pi SD card in your linux computer, mount it at /mnt/whatever (being sure to mount your root filesystem, not just the boot partition), and use passwd --root /mnt/whatever to change the root password
22:03 < BCMM> (or passwd --root /mnt/whatever username if you want to change a user password)
22:03 < Styil> Alright, I’ll try it, need to go as well
22:03 < mrrmx> TJ-: I don't see the device
22:03 < jml2> pi's a pie
22:03 < mrrmx> TJ-: can I post
22:03 < mrrmx> ?
22:04 < TJ-> mrrmx: use a pastebin
22:04 < mrrmx> https://pastebin.com/CRNsLNPQ
22:04 < TJ-> mrrmx: if you really don't see the device then it isn't there as far as the hardware is concerned. Did you connect it correctly?
22:04 < mrrmx> it's uses asm1142 chipset
22:05 < mrrmx> TJ, yes
22:05 < TJ-> mrrmx: even a device without a driver is reported by lspci, which is showing the PCI hardware config space
22:05 < mrrmx> do you see the device there?
22:05 < mrrmx> TJ-: do you see the device?
22:06 < mrrmx> it's a pci-e to usb3.1/c
22:06 < mrrmx> I can't tell the devices apart...
22:06 < Trel> geirha: I'm talking about actually making a shortcut, so no commands to navigate are needed.  Is that possible?
22:06 < Trel> (no modified commands to navigate I mean)
22:07 < mrrmx> TJ-: dude are you there
22:07 < TJ-> mrrmx: no, I don't see it
22:07 < TJ-> mrrmx: is this device plugged into a desktop motherboard or a laptop via ExpressCard or internal?
22:07 < mrrmx> deskto
22:07 < mrrmx> desktop
22:08 < TJ-> mrrmx: So you powered off, plugged this device into a PCIe slot, and powered on?
22:08 < mrrmx> it's a pcie, yes
22:08 < mrrmx> it's in a X16 pcie slot
22:08 < TJ-> mrrmx: first thing to do is re-check it is correctly plugged in and firmly down in the slot.
22:08 < TJ-> mrrmx: 2nd is to try it in other available slots, or swap it with other devices in slots you know work
22:09 < mrrmx> I'll try
22:09 < mrrmx> ok bbs
22:09 < TJ-> mrrmx: process of elimination
22:09 < nascentmind> Hi. Does an extended partition have a corresponding /dev/ file?
22:09 < JacobsLadd3r> Does anyone happen to know if you can disable sar from sysstat from parsing /etc/mtab and doing a statfs on every autofs mount in /net when just doing a simple load query of [sar -q 1 10]? Trying to reduce unnecessary NFS connections.
22:09 < TJ-> nascentmind: no
22:10 < jml2> nascentmind, nope
22:10 < jml2> nascentmind, it shouldnt
22:12 < nascentmind> TJ-, I have created 7 partitions. In it 2 are primary partitions and the remaining are logical partitions. When I check my dmesg I see this --> p1 p2 p3 < p5 p6 p7 >
22:13 < mrrmx> the card is connect properly
22:13 < mrrmx> *connected
22:13 < mrrmx> TJ-: any other ideas?
22:13  * jml2 is connected too
22:13 < nascentmind> It does not show my remaining partitions.
22:15 < jml2> nascentmind, you should be using command tools like fdisk, gdisk to list partitions
22:15 < geirha> Trel: Well I don't know what you consider as "shortcut". Maybe CDPATH will do? or you could override cd to do a look up in an associative array before falling back to regular cd
22:15 < nascentmind> jml2, I am listing the partitions using fdisk. I don't see the corresponding /dev file created.
22:16 < jml2> nascentmind, do you know the difference between an "extended" partition and a logical partition ?  -- these are terms only for MBR-style partition tables
22:16 < Trel> basically my goal is: a directory called /shortcuts with what looks like folders, for example one called "webroot", if I then do 'cd webroot' I'd end up at '/www/80/pub' and NOT '/shortcuts/webroot'
22:16 < jml2> alias webroot='cd /path/to/webroot'
22:17 < Trel> jml2: that only helps me
22:17 < Trel> I'm talking about on the filesystem
22:17 < geirha> CDPATH=.:/shortcuts; cd -P webroot
22:17 < nascentmind> jml2, Yes I do. Are the naming convention of the /dev/ files different from what is shown in fdisk?
22:18 < Trel> geirha: isn't that also user specific?
22:18 < TJ-> nascentmind: right so the invisible p4 is the extended partition, and it you ahve 3 primaries and 3 logicals by the look of that
22:18 < geirha> Trel: what do you mean by user specific?
22:19 < jml2> nascentmind, when you are root and you do things outside the specs, the partitions won't show up. it's possible to add archaic partition tables anywhere...
22:19 < phogg> why would extended permissions not be devices in /dev/? You need a block device or you can't use it.
22:19 < Trel> geirha: I'm asking how to do this on the filesystem, not with aliases, or something else that goes into a profile.
22:19 < jml2> phogg, they never do. logical partitions show up in /dev..
22:20 < jml2> phogg, extended partition = "EBR"
22:20 < phogg> jml2: Then an extended partition is useless and can't ever be mounted. What would be the point?
22:20 < nascentmind> TJ-, I have 7 partitions. 2 physical and 5 logical.
22:20 < jml2> phogg, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_boot_record
22:20 < ibttis> hello any suggestions on packages for a debian based system to harden it?
22:20 < geirha> Trel: ah, then it's "not possible", since for bash at least, it would require modifying at least one shell option
22:21 < phogg> jml2: I know what an extended partition is.
22:21 < jml2> nascentmind, you said it originally, correctly, 2 primary, and the remaining logical
22:21 < jml2> phogg, no you don't.
22:21 < TJ-> nascentmind: not according to the dmesg you showed
22:21 < jml2> an extended partition contains the logical partitions.
22:21 < phogg> jml2: I know what they are and how they work.
22:22 < phogg> jml2: Yes, yes I know. The on disk layout is one thing, the logical presentation is something else.
22:22 < Trel> geirha: if it was a shell specific thing then it's not what I'm trying to do anyhow.  It looks like there may not be a way at all.  Right now I am just using symlinks and I put a file called 00_use_the_P_switch_with_cd_00 in the /shortcuts directory.
22:22 < jml2> and its ugly, you can have multiple extended partitions embedded.
22:22 < jml2> multiple EBRs...
22:23 < phogg> jml2: yes, you can make it quite complicated. Unimportant. Eventually you *must* have a block device file.
22:25 < nascentmind> jml2, sorry. s/Physical/primary
22:26 < jml2> nascentmind, mbr is limitted to 4 partitions, so thats why it uses a workaround extended/logical thing...
22:26 < jml2> nascentmind, if you didnt update your partition table properly, then changes won't get reflected..
22:27 < jml2> nascentmind, if you dont see device nodes, then use a poke in something in /proc, or try to use kpartx
22:27 < nascentmind> jml2, I am in a constrained environment and I don't have access to kartx
22:27 < jml2> nascentmind, ./limitted to "4 entries" per MBR table/
22:28 < geirha> Trel: well, when you do cd to that symlink, you do end up in the physical directory, it's just that bash has this idea of a "logical" directory structure that it has enabled by default. If you disable it, it will work as you want
22:28 < jml2> nascentmind, echo 1 > /sys/block/[sd_]/device/rescan
22:29 < geirha> set -o physical or set -Å
22:29 < geirha> *or set -P
22:30 < k12buntu> hi
22:31 < crestfallen> hi do vagrant and hashicorp products play a key role in openStack and the way it seems to be going as an industry standard?
22:32 < nascentmind> jml2, I have partx. I did a partx /dev/mmcblk0 -a and it gives errors saying cannot add partition 1-3 , 5-9. It shows partitions just fine using partx -s
22:33 < geirha> Trel: in other words, the filesystem behaves like you want, but the shell overlays a more "intuitive" approach by default
22:34 < Brainspackle> crestfallen: no, they are totally unrelated projects
22:34 < Brainspackle> crestfallen: i've been in many openstack design meetings and have never heard a single reference to vagrant/hashicorp
22:35 < Brainspackle> seems like an odd question to me :P
22:35 < crestfallen> << noob  , thanks Brainspackle:
22:35 < crestfallen> nice moniker by the way
22:36 < Brainspackle> thanks
22:36 < crestfallen> yeah I did a bit of fiddling with vagrant a couple years ago; my main question is should I take the openstack cert training
22:36 < crestfallen>  Brainspackle
22:37 < Brainspackle> vagrant tends to be used for local dev environments and such
22:37 < Brainspackle> whereas, openstack is a suite of cloud services consumable via apis
22:37 < crestfallen> worth the training you figure?
22:37 < Brainspackle> if that is the sort of thing you'd be interested in working on professionally, they are pretty good to have
22:37 < jml2> crestfallen, i'd say so
22:37 < jml2> crestfallen, it's a strong force in the clouds
22:37 < crestfallen> excellent thanks ALL
22:38 < jml2> yw!
22:38 < Brainspackle> i never got them just because i was able to get enough experience with it before certs ever existed
22:38 < Brainspackle> or even before it was a public thing
22:38 < crestfallen> I am learning haskell, which is very cool. I'm not much of a programmer though. familiar with a bit of linux, git, just basics.
22:39 < Brainspackle> but if i was going that direction now, i would definitely look into them
22:39 < crestfallen> so should I take a more general linux admin cert first?
22:39 < Brainspackle> yeah, probably... the openstack certs aren't really designed at linux beginners, it assumes some knowledge already
22:40 < crestfallen> thanks good call..
22:40 < Brainspackle> even if its not a cert, there are some decent online courses
22:40 < crestfallen> kindly name one or two?
22:41 < jml2> crestfallen, openstack came out like in 2010..
22:41 < jml2> and its continuously improving
22:42 < jml2> rh offers an openstack cert, but you need to get like 1 or 2 certs prior it
22:42 < crestfallen> I have a debian stretch system
22:43 < crestfallen> what about decent free courses out there for basic admin?
22:43 < jml2> there's udemy, and it has low cost courses.. but a lot of it is plain amateur
22:44 < jml2> it might be helpful though for beginners
22:44 < crestfallen> could you suggest another? I'm not a flat beginner
22:44 < k12buntu> Just curious, I like retro distros or DEs and I was wondering if there were any distros that looked like windows 3.0
22:46 < k12buntu> hi
22:46 < jml2> k12buntu, makululinux focuses on windows themes, and it has a theme going way back for it.
22:47 < jml2> k12buntu, it's author uses youtube to showcase new themes..
22:47 < jml2> k12buntu, not a big fan though
22:49 < Trel> geirha: I thought symlinks were essentially invisible unless something actively checked?
22:50 < jml2> Trel, ? symlinks are a filesystem feature
22:50 < LjL> invisible?
22:51 < infinisil> Trel: You're probably thinking af hardlinks
22:51 < infinisil> of*
22:51 < lupine> invisible to stat, visible to lstat
22:51 < geirha> Trel: yes. So let's say you have /shortcuts/webroot -> /var/www/webroot   if you do   cd /shortcuts/webroot, bash will pretend you're in a dir named /shortcuts/webroot, but you're actually in /var/www/webroot. You can see this with  ''ls ..'' which will list the content of /var/www and not /shortcuts
22:52 < geirha> but doing cd .. will send you to /shortcuts, because bash thinks that's more intuitive for you
22:52 < geirha> set -o physical  or  cd -P   disables that behavior
22:53 < jml2> here I use cd'less to paths.. shopt -s autocd
22:54 < jml2> so I can just type /path/ and hit enter ...
22:56 < geirha> err, I meant s/cd -P/set -P/
22:56 < geirha> cd -P  overrides the illusion for individual dirs, while set -P disables the illusion entirely
23:04 < jml2> the problem with that is you need to keep updating the symlinks when you move things around
23:08 < CodeBug> hey room
23:08 < Pentode> howdy
23:08 < Smilex> Are there any developers using linux here, who know how to make valgrind ignore memory issues from the GPU driver?
23:10 < CodeBug> hey Pentode
23:16 < Raxz> What did the patent office say to the guy who invented the seatbelt? ... "Fastenating."
23:23 < Trel> I like how symlinks work, I was hoping there was something that functioned more similarly to windows shortcuts in addition, not changing anything make existing function differently.  However, second option is to just make a directory full of shell scripts which have the cd command for the appropriate directory
23:23 < Trel> That may be best anyway since it's more easily updated if somethign moves
23:26 < phogg> Trel: A windows shortcut is resolved by the shell not the VFS. This means that the closest analog is a .desktop file.
23:27 < Trel> I just meant in function where using the shortcut redirects you.  I know they don't function the same way.
23:27 < phogg> Trel: A shortcut doesn't redirect you, though. I don't know what you're talking about.
23:28 < phogg> a .lnk file is opened by the shell e.g. explorer, read, and then its instructions followed. A .desktop file is exactly like that except that it's not typically used for things that are not executables so file dialogs don't normally handle them.
23:29 < Trel> Does the instructions in the .lnk file not point to another folder which explorer then opens?
23:30 < phogg> Trel: It depends on what the .lnk points to and what the program does with it depends on the program.
23:30 < Trel> In this case, a shortcut to a directory.
23:30 < phogg> and also to some extent what the .lnk instructions are. A windows .url file is just the .lnk format with some additional instructions, for example.
23:31 < phogg> Trel: In that case explorer would take you to the directory, yes.
23:31 < Trel> Which is what I was hoping to achieve, but it looks like I can't in a way that uses the 'cd' command directly unless I missed something.  Which is fine, I'll have to use a workaround.
23:31 < phogg> Trel: you can achieve the same thing with a .desktop file if you know how to write one, but again .desktop files are not often used for shortcut-type purposes so most programs won't expect that
23:32 < phogg> Trel: I don't know what you mean. How can cd help you?
23:32 < Trel> phogg: a .desktop file can't be used how I wanted.
23:33 < phogg> Trel: It can be if the program reading it knows to do what you want.
23:34 < phogg> most programs don't interpret .desktop files, unlike on Windows where shell-integrated file dialogs resolve .lnk files without the application calling the dialogs being aware
23:34 < Trel> phogg: for the sake of this, assume command line and assume something like dash, so as few bells and whistles as possible.  My goal was to have a directory like 'webroot' under '/shortcuts' and if you did 'cd webroot' instead of ending up at '/shortcuts/webroot' you'd end up at say '/www/80/pub'
23:34 < phogg> but if you were e.g. in nautilus and double clicked a carefully crafted .desktop file you could mimic the behavior found with a .lnk exactly
23:34 < phogg> Trel: trivial if you write your own cd command
23:35 < Trel> Super trivial, since I'd just use a symlink and alias cd -P to it.  But that's not solving my problem since it wouldn't work for people who don't have said alias.
23:35 < phogg> Trel: it would just canonicalize and then cd, e.g. cd () { command cd "$(readlink -f "$@")" ; }
23:36 < phogg> Trel: a function like that would work in bash; I'm not sure if dash supports the 'command' builtin otherwise it works there too.
23:36 < Trel> Unless I'm missing something, I can't do what I wanted to do system wide without shell intervention.
23:36 < Trel> phogg: if I did what you're suggesting, symlinks wouldn't work anywhere.
23:37 < phogg> Trel: you have to have a program which understand what you want. In your case symlink+canonicalization works the way you want, but each program traversing your symlinks must know this. Here I wrote a tiny one which does.
23:37 < phogg> Trel: you could make a less trivial cd wrapper which only canonicalizes links passing through /shortcuts, it's just less tiny
23:38 < Trel> phogg: that's the one I'd have to do, but that's still use specific, no?
23:38 < Trel> *user
23:38 < Trel> as in it goes in my .profile or .bashrc
23:38 < phogg> Trel: you can put it in a file and modify all user shells to source it, same way setting PS1 and such works
23:40 < phogg> Trel: the only way to truly make it work inescapably system-wide is to modify the kernel, or at least libc. Programs on Linux don't ask another userspace process to do path resolution.
23:41 < Trel> Yes, but that's a user-specific option still, I just am modifying user's environments (possibly without their permission).  It's not a solution I can use in this case.  And if it's just for me, I'm good would just making an alias for 'cd -P' to something like 'ccd'
23:41 < kurahaupo> phogg: what exactly do you want that « cd /symlink/path » doesn't provide?
23:41 < Trel> (I'm resigned to it not being possible though)
23:41 < Trel> kurahaupo: I'm the one asking, not him.
23:41 < phogg> kurahaupo: I don't want anything, Trel wants cd /symlink/dir to land in the target as if not having followed a symlink
23:42 < Trel> I was hoping there was a third type of link that would function in that way, not to modify how simlinks worked
23:42 < phogg> there is and it's a .desktop file but support isn't widespread
23:42 < Brainspackle> are you just looking for some place to hide your porn?
23:43 < phogg> Trel: the real question is why you care what the path looks like after you follow the link
23:43 < kurahaupo> The whole "keeping PWD as if the v symlink were actually a directory" is Bash faking it; as far as the kernel or any other program is concerned, the current directory is the inode of the target at the time you did the cd
23:43 < Trel> Because I was trying to make it quicker for users to get to some long paths from a central starting point, without obfuscating the actual location they're going to.
23:44 < phogg> Trel: users won't care where they are and if they need to find out they can readlink -f .
23:44 < kurahaupo> So « set -P » for Bash gives a complete solution for all programs
23:44 < Trel> kurahaupo: at the expense of symlinks I WANT to stay that way
23:45 < Trel> phogg: if they didn't care, I wouldn't have been asked to do this ;)
23:45 < kurahaupo> Trel: the consider using bind-mounts instead
23:45 < Trel> Someone with a three letter title cares enough to make my life miserable.
23:46 < Trel> kurahaupo: does that mask the true path?
23:47 < Trel> If I were in /shortcuts and did 'cd subdirectory && pwd' what would print?
23:47 < kurahaupo> Trel: it provides an independent true path. They're both "true" after the mount.
23:47 < phogg> Trel: is it just the dir displayed in PS1 that's bothering this three-letter dickhead?
23:47 < Trel> It's the output of pwd
23:48 < kurahaupo> So make an function for pwd instead
23:48 < phogg> kurahaupo: he objects to trying to get a function into each user's environment
23:49 < phogg> seems simple to me: each time someone complains add a line to his .bashrc
23:49 < Trel> if it doesn't show something like '/www/80/pub' vs '/shortcuts/webroot' then it doesn't meet what he wants.  And if making that happen makes it so '/NOTshortcuts/symlink' doesn't show '/NOTshortcuts/symlink' then it's also not an option.
23:49 < Trel> (It not being possible is an acceptable answer)
23:49 < phogg> or if you want to do them all add a file to /etc/ and modify all .bashrc files mechanically
23:49 < Trel> phogg: he wants me to do it in a way that affects all users, and doesn't touch their .profile or .bashrc, or anything else that's "theirs"
23:50 < phogg> Trel: It's not normally possible. You can always hack *something*
23:50 < SmashingX> is there any way to download a website with images and everything?
23:50 < phogg> Trel: compile a new version of bash that changes the behavior of the pwd builtin
23:50 < SmashingX> I tried curl www.website.com > file
23:50 < SmashingX> but I don’t see the images
23:50 < Trel> Right now I'm thinking 'userdel' might be my best option for this guy.
23:50 < phogg> kurahaupo: can a bash module override an existing builtin?
23:50 < Brainspackle> Trel: how did you manage to get this job? :p
23:50 < phogg> SmashingX: wget has a --mirror, man wget
23:51 < SmashingX> I don’t have wget :/
23:51 < vfbsilva> guys my external monitor does not accept the resolution of my laptop scren how can I make them equal?
23:51 < SmashingX> just curl
23:51 < phogg> SmashingX: it's sufficient to say that it's *not easy*
23:51 < phogg> SmashingX: then you can't do it without writing elaborate amounts of code. Get wget.
23:51 < Trel> Brainspackle: not even my usual thing.  Just someone with too much power conscripting me.  My linux use is personal, other than this :\
23:51 < phogg> vfbsilva: in general xrandr
23:52 < kurahaupo> Trel: use set +P ; pwd() { [[ $PWD = /shortcuts/* ]] && realpath "$PWD" || echo "$PWD; }
23:52 < phogg> with another " after the last PWD
23:52 < vfbsilva> phogg: I have a setup where I want to mirror tje laptop screen into an external monitor but this external monitor uses a lowerr resolution so thing sget skewed
23:52 < Trel> kurahaupo: that looks like it goes in a .profile or .bashrc though, which I cannot do.
23:52 < SmashingX> phogg: my end result is to convert a website to a PDF
23:53 < Trel> I'm telling him it's not possible unless he wants to modify and compile the shell himself.
23:53 < phogg> vfbsilva: and you've told xrandr to change the resolution used for that output?
23:53 < kurahaupo> Trel: in that case, just forward it to $idiot so they can do it for themselves
23:53 < SmashingX> phogg: the problem that I have is that I would like to share an internal website that I have with a colleague, (I can’t share the whole website ot make it public), so I was trying to see if this is a solution
23:53 < phogg> SmashingX: With comedy stylings like that you should go on tour.
23:53 < SmashingX> phogg: what?
23:54 < Trel> kurahaupo (for the record, my original solution for him was a shell script for each shortcut which just has the cd command to the right location) which he rejected... -_-
23:54 < kurahaupo> Or put it in /etc/bash.bashrc
23:54 < vfbsilva> phogg: yes and it reports not supported
23:54 < phogg> SmashingX: You must be joking. Every other option is unthinkable.
23:54 < vfbsilva> but I know it is :P
23:54 < SmashingX> why are you saying that?
23:54 < phogg> vfbsilva: your driver does not agree
23:55 < kurahaupo> Trel: why? Is this a boss trying to pull rank to improve his own deficient esteem?
23:55 < vfbsilva> panning did the trick
23:56 < kurahaupo> Trel: otherwise you need a bind mount in place of each symlink you want to hide.
23:56 < ksk> Trel: you could set them up via pam-mount on user login
23:57 < kurahaupo> Trel: mount --bind /dev/urandom ~idiot/.bashrc
23:58 < saderror256> what are some good lightweight web browsers for Linux?
23:58 < saderror256> Im on a raspberry pi
23:59 < kurahaupo> saderror256: lynx, links, elinks, wget, curl
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