--- Log opened Sat Apr 21 00:00:52 2018
00:09 < vlt> Hello. I'm looking for "black construction paper" in software to mask areas on my X screen (Ubuntu desktop).
00:09 < vlt> What program would display a black rectangle without any borders or title bars?
00:10 < vlt> Several of them.
00:10 < lupine> pretty specialist. I'm not aware of anything to do it, but you could knock something up pretty quickly
00:10 < lupine> what's the use case?
00:11 < Lope> I've got a surface pro 2 running ubuntu 18.04. When I touch the physical windows button under the screen, the tablet vibrates, but it doesn't trigger anything at all in gnome. Not the start button, nothing. If the screen is off due to power saving it still vibrates when I touch the button but the screen doesn't wake up. I tried to see if I could bind a shell script or something to it by making a keyboard shortcut, but when I try that and the
00:11 < Lope> keyboard shortcut widget says "press any key" touching the button causes the tablet to vibrate but no key is registered and it continues waiting for me to press a key. Any ideas?
00:11 < pepermuntjes> watching porn, hit a button, all black retangles on one side of screen, excel sheet on other side, boss wont notice anything except some black rectangles
00:12 < Caseous> Ballsy.
00:12 < lupine> if you're watching porn in the office, you've bigger problems than getting caught
00:12 < twainwek> if you were working for me i'd fire you for using excel
00:12 < stevendale> xD
00:12 < Caseous> All you'd need is a resizeable window that has a way of staying on top of your desktop.
00:12 < stevendale> I watched porn in high school
00:13 < marktr> Shit man I still watch porn today
00:13 < lupine> sure, the question comes from impulse control, not porn-at-all
00:13 < pepermuntjes> i recommend bringing your own laptop to work for watching porn, just close it quickly when boss comes close to your desk.
00:13 < Lope> can you guys go to #porn ?
00:14 < stevendale> or #furries
00:14 < marktr> Are those not the same channel
00:14 < lupine> at the last place, the rules were very carefully worded such that porn on work devices was fine, as long as you weren't in the office
00:16 < stevendale> Hi
00:17 < stevendale> People say 64-bit oses are faster despite heightened ram usage because of "registers", what exactly are these "registers", and how do they work?
00:18 < pepermuntjes> vit: i remember people drawing crosshairs on their computer screen, so they could get a bigger one when they played counter strike. If you buy some paper, you could easily attach it to your monitor
00:18 < bindi> ok, can someone explain this
00:18 < bindi> in "top" i see processes with really weird names
00:18 < xamithan> No one that isn't retarded did that.  You could modify crosshairs easily
00:18 < bindi>  1009 root      20   0   94052   4984    404 S 391.3  0.1 531:36.74 cjvtqmpwrq
00:19 < bindi>  1005 root      20   0   27032   1256    468 S   0.3  0.0   1:56.91 yhhejga
00:19 < bindi> $ ps aux | grep 1009
00:19 < bindi> root      1009 33.7  0.0  94052  5116 ?        Ssl  Apr19 536:45 whoami
00:19 < xamithan> That looks like a virus bindi
00:19 < xamithan> lol
00:19 < lnslbrty> bindi: probably a mcpi miner
00:19 < bindi> xamithan: yes
00:19 < lnslbrty> *cpu miner
00:19 < xamithan> I've had some crypto miners like that
00:19 < bindi> this is paid ethos from gpushack
00:19 < xamithan> Just kill all the services,  delete the scripts
00:19 < bindi> but why is the cmdline like that?
00:19 < xamithan> kill the pid
00:19 < lnslbrty> bindi: dont use default user/passwd combinations
00:19 < bindi> lnslbrty: it's not, and not on the default port either
00:19 < bindi> i can only see the weird name on top, but ps aux shows some sane name
00:20 < pepermuntjes> xamithan, if you have rogue software, its better to format the disk
00:20 < xamithan> Did the miner not place your ps with a hacked version?
00:20 < bindi> root      1009 33.9  0.0  94052  5028 ?        Ssl  Apr19 539:51 whoami
00:20 < xamithan> *replace
00:20 < bindi> wouldn't know
00:20 < xamithan> pepermuntjes: You sure?  I don't think removing a few files warrants formatting everything
00:20 < bindi> it was using 200GB of traffic
00:21 < bindi> i want to know where it came from
00:21 < lnslbrty> bindi: tcpdump it
00:21 < xamithan> In my case,  it came from an outdated wordpress plugin
00:21 < bindi> i blocked it in the FW
00:21 < bindi> because managing this remotely was a pain with 90% loss
00:21 < swift110> hey all
00:21 < jim> hi
00:21 < bindi> i cant see anything in tcpdump anymore trying to connect to the same port/ip
00:21 < pepermuntjes> xamithan, if your system has been breached, they should be able to regain access 100% for sure if they put any effort in it.
00:22 < zapotah> thank god the wp madness has receded
00:22 < bindi> how can i see what the process is doing?
00:22 < zapotah> unmaintained buggy plugins galore
00:22 < bindi> unlink("/usr/bin/wtmngfdqyk")           = 0
00:22 < bindi> unlink("/bin/wtmngfdqyk")               = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
00:22 < bindi> unlink("/tmp/wtmngfdqyk")               = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
00:22 < bindi> i know strace but i dont know strace :D
00:22 < xamithan> Well you still monitor it,  but ain't no bot from overseas is going to be putting special effort into a random webserver
00:22 < pepermuntjes> lol
00:22 < bindi> it might have been default password
00:23 < bindi> under default password behind no FW, for a while
00:23 < xamithan> Even all those machines that got hit with the dirtcow just got their root changed to "firefart" and nothing else serious happened
00:23 < jim> bindi, you might find this handy: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
00:23 < lnslbrty> bindi: upload the malicious binary to virustotal?
00:23 < bindi> hmm
00:23 < zapotah> xamithan: the bigger problems are with cdn caching etc
00:23 < bindi> jim: you mean my spam? :)
00:23 < pepermuntjes> was root breached?
00:23 < pepermuntjes> i would burn it with fire
00:23 < bindi> it is runnig as root yes
00:24 < nohop> How would I use iptables to match on a source address that's NOT in 192.168.10.0/24 ?
00:24 < jim> bindi, or whatever command output you'd like to show
00:24 < zapotah> nohop: !
00:24 < bindi> jim: well pastebinning strace would be kinda biggie
00:24 < bindi> so should I upload this binary?
00:24 < stevendale> Morning o/
00:25 < pepermuntjes> bindi, you  have an external source running software on  your system as root?
00:25 < bindi> pepermuntjes: yes
00:25 < jim> hi
00:25 < bindi> lol
00:25 < pepermuntjes> destory as quickly as you can
00:25 < nohop> zapotah: That makes sense :)
00:25 < pepermuntjes> once rooted, you can never be unrooted
00:25 < bindi> i know
00:25 < bindi> you want to see the binary or just shut it down? :)
00:25 < bindi> reinstall tomorrow
00:25 < xamithan> Kill it, we've seen the cryptominer#121222254 before
00:26 < lnslbrty> bindi: upload the binary to virustotal, so others can learn about it
00:26 < zapotah> burn it
00:26 < zapotah> kill it
00:26 < zapotah> with fire
00:26 < zapotah> reflash firmware
00:26 < zapotah> etc
00:27 < pepermuntjes> bindi, seriously question
00:27 < pepermuntjes> what distro?
00:27 < bindi> ethos
00:28 < pepermuntjes> would selinux have prevented it?
00:28 < bindi> think it was user error leaving it behind no fw for a bit
00:28 < bindi> (not me :p)
00:28 < zapotah> go beat that user with the cluebat
00:28 < bindi> sudo is allowed for the default user without password
00:29 < zapotah> bindi: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-jPY_KoaqcyM/WlPF_T_-fWI/AAAAAAAAKrk/lOe1-LSt98EyOeieuCZ68BeKC6Mhm82xwCLcBGAs/s1600/cluebat.jpeg
00:29 < vlt> lupine: I have two live videos from usb connected DSLRs. I need both on one screen. But only the videos, nothing else. No menu or title bars.
00:29 < zapotah> bindi: beat yourself first
00:29 < vlt> lupine: The only idea I could come up with is to arrange black rectangles.
00:29 < lupine> perhaps use mplayer
00:29 < lupine> it's rather minimal
00:30 < vlt> Is there a full screen image viewer that leaves holes when displaying (partially) transparent PNG images?
00:32 < vlt> lupine: I have no idea how to use mplayer to display the video.
00:33 < lupine> mplayer <filename>
00:33 < vlt> lupine: It's video from a usb connected camera (using libgphoto2, I think).
00:34 < zapotah> "leaves holes" is kinda...well
00:34 < vlt> lupine: The tools I use now are "entangle" and (because I couldn't manage to run a second instance of entangle) darktable.
00:34 < zapotah> its not something anything wants to do
00:35 < zapotah> if you want a cctv system, use zoneminder
00:35 < zapotah> requires know-how
00:35 < lupine> mplayer -noborder <filename> works good too
00:35 < lupine> vlt: that's fine, it can play that too
00:35 < vlt> lupine: If you have a file.
00:36 < lupine> it takes a variety of url forms too
00:36 < lupine> but if it's v4l-compatible, you have a file
00:38 < meyou^> trying to generate a csr using an existing private key but for some reason openssl seems to ignore it and generates a new one
00:38 < meyou^> blah nvm
00:41 < Evidlo> can you specify an smtp server with 'mail' directly?
00:41 < pepermuntjes> ssmtp
00:44 < Psilocyber> will the disk SMART keep a record of overheat events like it does with other errors?
00:46 < Loshki> Evidlo: not normally. Mail is usually divided into front-end (client) and back end (postfix. sendmail, ssmtp). The back end is where servers gets specified. That level of detail is rarely visible from the front-end. Computer knows best...
00:46 < CoCo_Kid594> Error 113 (net::ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH): Unknown error. No matter what I do... I updated to the latest SSL date and version match.. I have tried every browser still get this error....
00:47 < zapotah> howabouts checking who signs your certs there
00:47 < CoCo_Kid594> Is there an easy way to fix.. Yes I have very old system.. but am afraid to update in fear of breaking stuff I have compiled through the years..
00:47 < meyou^> hehe
00:47 < Loshki> Psilocyber: I can't recall. I do recall setting up smartd so that I got annoying notifications about temperature changes in syslog, so I assume there's a SMART variable which tracks it. Check wikipedia on SMART
00:47 < meyou^> CoCo_Kid594, clone it, stage the upgrade on the clone, if it works, make the clone production
00:48 < meyou^> you're not going to get away with super old SSL implementations anymore, officer google is flexing
00:48 < CoCo_Kid594> man this server has ran so great for years.. now things are falling apart..
00:49 < zapotah> evidently it hasnt run great
00:49 < zapotah> _you_ havent been running it great
00:49 < Evidlo> Loshki (IRC): well mailx has a '-S smtp=mail.example.com' option.  'mail' doesn't have this?
00:50 < CoCo_Kid594> Problem is the drives are way way old.. I don't have one to slap in and try and make things work.. ..
00:50 < Lope> Is it possible to bind the windows button on the keyboard as a shortcut key to run a command? When I tried, it didn't want to detect. Has anyone here done it? Running Mate on Ubuntu 16.04.
00:50 < zapotah> Evidlo: mail is a local client reading mbox and other format emails
00:50 < CoCo_Kid594> Don't have allot of space to work with..
00:50 < zapotah> CoCo_Kid594: you have failed as a sysadmin there
00:51 < Psilocyber> Loshki: Shit, so if I have a bunch of different drives, they might all be reporting temperature different? I Figured that temp would be the one thing that vendors would do the same!!!
00:51 < Psilocyber> Loshki: btw, what does this mean "Value is equal to (100-temp. °C)"
00:52 < Loshki> Evidlo: no, I'm just out of date. I come from a time when not all email was over smtp.
00:52 < Psilocyber> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#Known_ATA_S.M.A.R.T._attributes
00:52 < zapotah> Psilocyber: whatever smart monitoring tool you use needs to take all that into account with the normalized values
00:52 < Psilocyber> ahhh crap, nvm im looking at the airflow temp on wiki
00:53 < Loshki> Psilocyber: some attributes are standard, some are vendor specific, many are "normalized" i.e. they start from 100 and count *DOWN* to zero. Use gsmartctl if you can.
00:53 < Evidlo> seems like mail is the same as mailx on my system
00:53 < jim> Lope, well since i3 uses the win key as its modifier key, I think you probably could
00:54 < Loshki> Evidlo: my mailx says -S just sets an environment variable. Do you know for a fact it works the way you say it does?
00:54 < Psilocyber> What does this mean " Lowest byte of the raw value contains the exact temperature value "
00:54 < Lope> jim yeah mate is using it as a button to let me drag windows
00:55 < jim> I wonder if that's somehow configurable
00:55 < Evidlo> Loshki: mail -V and mailx -V give the same version
00:56 < Psilocyber> ohh nvm they mean the raw value, that makes sense
00:57 < Loshki> Evidlo: yes, but does it use the smtp server you tell it to? Even in ssmtp, you need server specific info to send mail? So if your backend doesn't already have a config for a server, I don't see how specifying it in mailx can work. Good for testing though, maybe.
00:57 < Loshki> Psilocyber: good, because I didn't know where to start
00:58 < tpanarch1st> hello, running centos 6.5, #centos as usual love to be anal, I have to run centos 6.5 because it is compatible with freepbx 12 that I can't upgrade. I'm simply trying to work out, when adding a user to the sudoers file, why, when I log in to the sudoer account, i'm asked to enter the root password instead of my sudoer account password?
00:58 < Evidlo> My university provides outbound relays that dont need auth
00:59 < Loshki> Evidlo: are you id'ed at all? Suppose you stsrt sending tons of spam?
00:59 < CoCo_Kid594> Okay what cloing tool you prefer..  Soo.. I need a update I think this like .10.04 it has ran great through the years..  I don't won't to break it but I want to update it.  Where would you start? with limited free sapce. What tool partimage??
01:02 < CoCo_Kid594> it is scsi raid array.. drives you can't even find.... Where would I start.. Try a test run..
01:10 < Psi-Jack> upwoden: Would you mind not constantly nick-change flooding every channel, including this one?
01:10 < orev> is there any value to running acpid on a server VM?  on centos 7 with systemd, it seems to handle graceful power off just fine, and that's all I really need, unless acpid does other interesting things?
01:10 < upwoden> I'm not in every channel >_>
01:11 < Psi-Jack> upwoden: No, but you are in at least 2 channels that I see, two rather large channels. I notice you changing your nick a lot, most of the time just changing case.
01:12 < upwoden> A lot is a stretch.
01:14 < saltystew> why cant I seem to pipe id into grep
01:14 < Psi-Jack> saltystew: Show an example.
01:15 < jim> what happens when you do?
01:15 < saltystew> it returns the whole output, not what I grepped for
01:15 < wodencafe> Isn't id just one ilne?
01:15 < wodencafe> s/ilne/line/
01:16 < jim> try: id (whatever params) 2> /dev/null
01:16 < saltystew> oh
01:16 < saltystew> yea it is one line
01:16 < wodencafe> grep by default matches by line
01:16 < saltystew> yea
01:16 < Psi-Jack> Like I said, show an example of what you're doing.
01:16 < saltystew> https://pastebin.com/Ee7xz4hp
01:17 < Psi-Jack> Please not to pastebin.com. I can't see that site.
01:17 < Psi-Jack> And pastebin.com is frowned upon due to many issues they themselves have caused. Pastes being reformatted, malvertising, adblock blocking, being blocked due to many reasons. See /topic for the channel's official pastebin.
01:17 < saltystew> it works though I just expected it to only show the group name I was grepping
01:17 < wodencafe> I think you want awk rather than grep
01:18 < saltystew> Psi-Jack,  https://paste.linux.community/view/265b5896
01:18 < dannylee> ?
01:19 < saltystew> I think grep will work for me in this case, I just forgot it shows on one line, I can just use return code
01:19 < Psi-Jack> saltystew: Okay, so, what are you expecting?
01:20 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, the return code might be good, because if it exists, rc is 0, else 1.
01:20 < wodencafe> OtakuSenpai >_>
01:20 < saltystew> yea I'm just gonna use that
01:21 < saltystew> sorry btw I thought I had clicked on #bash not ##linux lol
01:22 < jim> saltystew, do you think it's outputing on stderr?
01:22 < Psi-Jack> jim: It's nothing like that. It's working as expected, just he was expecting different. :)
01:22 < saltystew> not sure, I was looking for just sudo as a way to tell me it worked lol, I really just need the rc for an if statement
01:23 < jim> so really the grep succeeded
01:23 < Psi-Jack> saltystew: Also, id -Gn username | grep -o groupname
01:23 < Psi-Jack> That would both return 0 or 1 if there's a match or not, and only output the resulting part.
01:24 < saltystew> 'if ! id -Gn username | grep groupname; then usermod -aG groupname username fi'
01:24 < saltystew> that's what I was using it for
01:24 < Psi-Jack> That's a good sample. :)
01:26 < Psilocyber> So, I'm not sure if this is the right place, sorry if not, but I have a project that needs to be supported by systemd. Is it a good practice to include the systemd unit files in your code repo or should setup steps be kept in readme or ?
01:26 < Psi-Jack> Psilocyber: Yes.
01:27 < Psi-Jack> Psilocyber: usually in a directory that covers multiple inits, "init" or such, and files named <service>.<inittype>, where inittype could be systemd, sysv, upstart, etc.
01:27 < Psilocyber> Psi-Jack: that makes a lot of sense, thank you
01:28 < Psi-Jack> Psilocyber: Quite welcome!
01:32 < trafaret1> hi there
01:33 < trafaret1> can anybody help e
01:33 < trafaret1> I have question about vpn
01:33 < tds> just ask your question :)
01:34 < trafaret1> tds: question is simple: let's pretend I bouth vpn account
01:34 < trafaret1> it's support 5 simualtenious accont
01:34 < ayecee> bouth?
01:34 < trafaret1> router for 5 people will be accounted like one
01:34 < trafaret1> bought
01:35 < ayecee> maybe type slower
01:35 < Psi-Jack> And think more, before hitting enter, focus.
01:35 < ayecee> compose your description and question together, so they're not spread out across several lines.
01:41 < twainwek> what's the state of the art when it comes to tablet compatible linux distros? any good or decent support
01:42 < Psi-Jack> Any distro.
01:42 < twainwek> touch support?
01:43 < Psi-Jack> Wacom is easily the most supported.
01:43 < twainwek> oh, by tablet i meant like surface pro
01:43 < Psi-Jack> Oh. That, I couldn't say.
01:44 < Psi-Jack> That really depends on the tablet in question, what architecture it uses, etc.
01:44 < ploprof> Is MPD with alsa output bit-perfect ?
01:44 < twainwek> yea, i'm looking for the best suppoted device
01:45 < ayecee> how about any supported device first
01:45 < twainwek> that was my first question
01:45 < ayecee> ah, now you're moving on to best?
01:46 < ayecee> seems premature
01:46 < twainwek> huh?
01:48 < ayecee> best is a trigger word
01:51 < saltystew> anyone use cmus
01:51 < jml2> wtf is cmus
01:51 < tpanarch1st> hello, i'm having some issues with allowing ssh access with a password to upload a new cert
01:51 < saltystew> a music player
01:51 < tpanarch1st> i've followed as many websites as I can see but no joy
01:51 < kota> saltystew: I've used it what's up?
01:51 < jim> howbout sonic-visualizer?
01:51 < jim> it's another player
01:51 < tpanarch1st> I saw a number of ssh certificates but i've removed them all and in auth.log - it says it can find no certificates
01:52 < saltystew> kota, cmus doesn't start playing the next album once it reaches the end of another one, it just starts the same album over again and again
01:52 < saltystew> I swear it didn't use to do that, think I toggled something somewhere
01:53 < tpanarch1st> have i messed up the config as it is complaining that it cannot find a number of what appears to be certs https://snag.gy/ejRFg7.jpg
01:53 < tpanarch1st> that's the complaints in auth.log :)
01:55 < kota> saltystew: hmmm have you played around with the toggle repeat settings at all yet?
01:56 < kota> saltystew: from the man page - r = toggle repeat, ^R = toggle repeat current, C = toggle continue
01:56 < kota> saltystew: what mode are you playing the music from? Is it like a big playlist and cmus isn't moving past an album in the playlist?
01:57 < saltystew> kota, I've messed with those options, currently using normal repeat and continue is enabled, and it's the library, view mode 1
01:58 < saltystew> kota, I normally only listen to playlists but deleted all my playlists recently to remake them and I'm going through artists now and just noticed it doing this
01:58 < saltystew> kota, seems like odd behavior
01:59 < paddy|> how would one go about finding people who can update --> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/
02:00 < kota> saltystew: Yea strange I'm gonna see if it's doing that on my machine quick
02:04 < kota> saltystew: yea it definitely just worked for me hmmm...
02:06 < kota> saltystew: If you press 7 it will show you a screen with your settings at the bottom, here's what mine look like this might help. https://ptpb.pw/nbAY.png
02:08 < saltystew> kota, got it, aaa_mode, mine was set to album
02:09 < saltystew> kota, man pages says it defines what tracks are played in library view, can change it with shift+m
02:09 < kota> saltystew: sweet
02:09 < saltystew> kota, thanks for the help
02:09 < kota> saltystew: np
02:10 < saltystew> actually it's just m not shift+m
02:36 < collins> About setting up a fake SSH server. If (step 1) the client sends its public key to the server (step 2) server checks whether this public key (client) is allowed (step 3) server challenges client to prove it has the private key.... then this: any fake server, even if key auth is used, can just use that pubkey sent by the client to imitate the server. Is that so? Or is the client only sending a hash of the pubkey to use that the server indeed must
02:36 < collins> have itself already? Assume connecting for the first time.
02:37 < collins> I still don't get how the server knows which one of its pubkeys to use, but the client somehow tells the server. Is it by just its hash or is it sending the whole public key?
02:39 < Sitri> Okay... first off, do you know how public key cryptography works?
02:40 < xamithan> Fake SSH server ?
02:41 < Sitri> I'm guessting a MitM
02:41 < tpanarch1st> when you have a second, please can I ask, I deleted old certs from my debian box, i then enabled password authentication to upload a new certificate **but** it would not allow me, i had to create some certs on the server in order to allow me to then upload my certs - i was quite confused about this. I also noticed in auth.log that it was looking for certs that no longer existed. I also did an ls -l in the ssh directory and it said "272"
02:41 < tpanarch1st> i presume that this is the size as opposed to anything else but then i did ls -a -l and it said 280 or so instead!
02:42 < collins> Sitri: yes I do. But that one SSH detail is unclear to me, that one step where the client tells the ssh-server: "this is the key pair to use".
02:42 < xamithan> Well I mean,  if it accepts pubkeys and does ssh how is it a fake ssh server
02:42 < koala_man> collins: there's a host key pair as well as an optional client auth key pair
02:43 < Sitri> collins: the server doesn't need to know what "pair" to use, only that it will encrypt with the client's public key (which the client gives) and decrypt with its own private key.
02:43 < collins> koala_man: we're assuming you're connecting for the first time. So you're exchanging the host key of the servers chosing.
02:44 < Sitri> No matter what, the client will send a public key for the server to encrypt with, even if it has to generate one on the fly.
02:44 < Sitri> Same with any SSL or TLS protocol.
02:45 < koala_man> collins: ssh -vv shows that the client tries all its private keys
02:46 < collins> Sitri: once an SSH-connecting is established, there's an (optional and sometimes required) step of authorizing the user of the client with a key pair. The first step of that is for the client to tell the server that: "hey, use *that* pubkey you've got on *this* user"
02:46 < collins> koala_man: it's the details of that (not shown in verbose) I need
02:46 < sadbox> collins: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4252#page-8  <- during pubkey auth the client will send the public key it's trying to use
02:47 < xamithan> use more -v's then
02:47 < xamithan> verbose all the things
02:47 < Sitri> collins: That's the authorized_keys file's job.  It's a list of keys that are authorized
02:47 < collins> xamithan: done that
02:49 < collins> Sitri: a "fake" server would just accept the key
02:49 < xamithan> Why would a fake server care about a pubkey
02:49 < collins> We're not MitM here though, just establishing and accepting logins on a dummy server.
02:50 < ReScO> Hey folks
02:50 < collins> xamithan: same reason you'd log into a fake freenode account with nickserv
02:50 < Sitri> collins: define "fake" if it's not MitM
02:50 < ReScO> Who can enlighten me on how to bring up the WWAN interface if there isn't WiFi or LAN connectivity?
02:50 < collins> Sitri: don't know what to call it, but think of it as a fake facebook server. Looks like facebook but isn't.
02:50 < sadbox> collins: I think you're missing the mutual authentication part
02:50 < xamithan> But the server can't do anything with that pub key,  a server could do something with a nickserv password
02:51 < sadbox> collins: the server verifies that you control key X, you need to verify that the server controls key Y
02:51 < xamithan> You need to read up on how crypto works my friend
02:51 < Sitri> +1 on reading up on crypto
02:51 < collins> xamithan, sandman13: the server only needs the public key (which is sent by the client) to verify the client. The client isn't verifying the server
02:52 < Sitri> Bzzt
02:52 < xamithan> Uh my client verifies the server
02:52 < sadbox> collins: It is though, that's what happens when you hit yes to accept a server's key
02:52 < xamithan> It gives a big warning if the key doesn't match
02:52 < sadbox> ^^
02:53 < koala_man> this is explicitly for the first connection before a host key has been saved
02:53 < Sitri> SSH is /very/ noisy about the server giving out a public key it wasn't expecting.
02:53 < xamithan> If I reinstall a server I got to delete the server key before I can ssh
02:53 < collins> xamithan: we're talking about the first time you connect. After that, you'll get a mismatching host key, but that's another story.
02:54 < sadbox> collins: ssh also supports using a CA to sign your host keys
02:54 < sadbox> similar to how websites work
02:55 < sadbox> *openssh does at least
02:56 < sadbox> collins: but, yes, trust on first use has it's own problems
02:56 < xamithan> Still don't see a benefit that a "fake ssh server"  would have
02:57 < xamithan> This sounds like homework
02:57 < collins> xamithan: same "benefit" a fake facebook login page would have.
02:57 < Sitri> IE a phishing attack?
02:57 < Sitri> Again, as noted, SSH is very noisy when it detects that
02:57 < xamithan> What are they going to phish though if we are using pubkeys ?
02:58 < Sitri> Only way a "fake" server can get around that, is having the "real" server's key-pair.
02:58 < collins> Sitri: but not when you're connecting for the first time? (It just says: unknown host, add key?)
02:58 < xamithan> I'll give you my pub key right now
02:58  * meyou_ is gonna steal all the kegs while you sleep
02:59 < sadbox> collins: Check out https://code.facebook.com/posts/365787980419535/scalable-and-secure-access-with-ssh/ or something
02:59 < sadbox> If you care about avoiding the trust-on-first-use issue
02:59 < Sitri> collins: So your hypothetical example is Alice is connecting to Bob's server, but hasn't done so before.  Eve makes it so Alice connects to her own server instead of Bob's?
03:02 < ||JD||> Wait, when you say Bob, are we talking about Bob Vance? Vance's refrigeration?
03:02 < xamithan> Even in that extremely unlikely example,  there is nothing to gain except whatever commands they did on the fake server
03:03 < Sitri> Right, especially since it was noted specifically this wasn't an MitM
03:03 < meyou_> why are you just assuming that Alice is using keypair auth
03:03 < xamithan> because his question was about key pairs
03:03 < meyou_> oh so you're not assuming it at all
03:03 < meyou_> roger
03:03 < collins> Sitri: yep. Now, my prior misconception has been this: since Alice's public key is on Bob's server and Eve doesn't have it (I know it' a _public_ key but yet there's no reason to share it with Eve), Eve wouldn't know what public key to use in here evil plot if the client only sent a hash of it. But it appears that Alice's client sends the actual public key? Hence Eve can use that public key to authorize Alice without Eve noticing anything.
03:04 < meyou_> collins, that's not how keypair authentication works
03:04 < meyou_> the public key is only useful to verify that the person authenticating has the private key
03:04 < meyou_> it doesn't give you anything useful
03:05 < Sitri> And Alice would send Eve the full public key in that situation
03:05 < Sitri> As part of the normal SSH protocol
03:07 < collins> Sitri: alright. So Bob exclusively having Alice's public key adds no layer of protection against setting up a phishing server?  (I know it isn't designed for that purpose either.. but the client could just as well have sent only a hash and reject servers that don't have its corresponding public key)
03:08 < jml2> the classical Bob and Alice
03:08 < Sitri> Right.  There are mitigations.
03:09 < Sitri> Bob could have given Alice his public key's fingerprint (which is either that ascii-art box or a string of hex-digits)
03:09 < collins> As it is now, all you need is just to set up a phishing server and hope that someone connects for the first time.  (sure, I do understand that you can mitigate it, have proper procedures such as connecting for the first time etc)
03:09 < jml2> a better example would be Hillary and Bob.. the Clintons.
03:09 < Sitri> Or as noted above, a CA system could be in place.
03:09 < collins> my last message made no sense, ignore it
03:09 < notmike> No
03:10 < Sitri> collins: There's no benefit to that though, since now they're just running commands on your system instead of the intended target.
03:10 < Sitri> Unless you're hoping/expecting one of those commands to pull down confidential information
03:10 < collins> Sitri: right. This isn't very practical. It could be bad if someone runs sudo as their first command or so. But this is just about understanding SSH really since understanding that step confused me a bit.
03:10 < paddy|> i dont wanna be a phishers station :(
03:11 < dannylee> what goes up must come down??
03:12 < collins> Sitri: thanks a lot for the hel
03:12 < collins> p
03:12 < collins> It finally sinks in.
03:12 < notmike> Internet don't lie
03:13 < paddy|> hail to the usenet oracle
03:14 < collins> Sitri: so you meant that the fingerprint that shows up on Alice's first connection should be (the) one that Bob has given her?
03:15 < Kl0nEz> hi people
03:15 < xamithan> bob doesn't give anything
03:15 < paddy|> not even a buzz?
03:16 < xamithan> Not until connection when you get bob's pub key
03:16 < collins> xamithan: he could give Alice his fingerprint and tell her: "this is the fingerprint of my server that you'll see on your first connection"
03:16 < paddy|> i drop the key asap. this way nobody can snatch it from me
03:17 < nejni-marji> Does anyone know if it's possible to create a usb male-female adapter that changes the keypresses sent by a usb keyboard?
03:17 < xamithan> Yes,  that still has no value without the priv key though
03:18 < paddy|> why did bruce springsteen never sing a song about linux
03:20 < notmike> Because it doesn't relate to white, blue-collar angst... or Midwestern mediocrity.
03:20 < Lope> I've got a problem with a LV on one of my hard drives. It's 156GB in size and 151GB free. I've just added an additional 3GB to it. Whenever I mount it, even though it's mounted RW it shows 0 bytes free. I just deleted a file and it's still showing 0 bytes free. Now I deleted 3GB from the volume, and it's showing 172MB free. Any ideas?
03:20 < Lope> The filesystem is ext4
03:20 < paddy|> notmike: :)
03:21 < collins> xamithan: it does, it tells Alice that she has connected to the right (or potentially a phishing) server
03:21 < triceratux> paddy|: because linux wasnt really born to run ?
03:22 < collins> nejni-marji: of course. It's trivial electronics.
03:23 < xamithan> Lope: If the files are open during delete it won't show the extra space
03:24 < xamithan> Until they are not in use
03:24 < Lope> I've dismounted and remounted. I've also run e2fsck -fD
03:24 < Lope> it didn't help
03:25 < notmike> Lope: all is lost
03:26 < xamithan> Does rebooting not fix it?
03:27 < Lope> No rebooting didn't help either.
03:27 < paddy|> :(
03:27 < xamithan> You expanded the FS after you added the 3GB right ?
03:28 < xamithan> Maybe you got a rogue process shooting out a huge debug log or something
03:28 < Sitri> <collins> Sitri: so you meant that the fingerprint that shows up on Alice's first connection should be (the) one that Bob has given her? <-- out of band, yes
03:29 < xamithan> I had a client turn on http rewrite debug one day,  it filled the system in two minutes
03:32 < Lope> I figured it out (google fu) the disk had a bunch of reserved space.
03:33 < Lope> tune2fs -m 0 /dev/blah
03:35 < skypce> Hey guys, i have a question about osx automator, i know it is not Linux, but unix
03:35 < skypce> http://prntscr.com/j82zxj
03:35 < skypce> Can you help me to do work this applescript
03:36 < snugger> Sorry but macOS is very different from Linux (the OS)
03:37 < snugger> And is AppleScript exclusive to macOS?
03:37 < xamithan> What is applescript
03:38 < xamithan> proprietary scripting language that facilities automated control over scriptable Mac applications...    O.o
03:38 < Sitri> Looks like Apple's version of WSH
03:38 < skypce> I cant do work the script
03:39 < Sitri> skypce: Try ##MacOSX
03:39 < skypce> thank you
03:43 < notmike> No bsd
03:45 < notmike> Only discuss slackware
03:48 < aeyxa> I need to put a variable in a /etc/sysconfig file, is there a way for me to use an environment variable inside there somehow instead of statically writing it?
03:48 < aeyxa> on centos 6 (actually ec2)
04:01 < fr0b> aeyxa: try it and see? :)  Put it in /etc/profile or /etc/environment (which I'd never heard of before now but sounds interesting)
04:02 < fr0b> and see if the config 'sees' it
04:02 < aeyxa> it's already on the environment
04:03 < fr0b> the system-wide environment?
04:03 < aeyxa> seems to be, it's http_proxy
04:03 < aeyxa> I do $http_proxy and I see it
04:03 < aeyxa> echo I mean
04:03 < fr0b> seems worth trying out
04:03 < aeyxa> I put it there and it doesn't work that's why I was asking if it's possible how do I do it
04:03 < aeyxa> http_proxy=$http_proxy doesn't work
04:04 < aeyxa> but maybe something like http_proxy= $(echo $http_proxy)
04:04 < xamithan> Is your file calling the shell ?
04:04 < aeyxa> I don't know, and I doubt it that's why I don't know if there's a way to do it
04:05 < aeyxa> I was wondering if there was some like that the system might do for me for files under /etc/sysconfig where if you put special syntax it means `check environment for this variable`
04:05 < xamithan> Try sourcing the env at the top
04:08 < xamithan> I don't know where you put the variable but a source ~/.bashrc or similar should do it
04:09 < fr0b> yeah the question is are the files in there being consulted as shell scripts or something else
04:09 < fr0b> but yeah you want the source or . command if it's defined in some random place
04:10 < fareast> anyone have problem with anatel adapters
04:11 < aeyxa> sourcing the file where they're specified seems to work, thanks
04:30 < syb0rg> Hey guys, I installed xubuntu with this partitioning scheme (https://imgur.com/a/bbk5FAs), but I had to create the encrypted partitions manually because the installer crashed otherwise. The install was successful, but grub can't mount my root partition. I assume the issue is that grub doesn't know that it needs to decrypt the two LUKS partitions before it can mount my root and home. Does anybody know what changes I need to make to
04:30 < syb0rg> my grub configuration? Here is my /etc/default/grub: https://pastebin.com/jF45NeSH
04:41 < fareast> someone help me with a driver for linux mint sylvia? Anatel RT3090PCIE-C1 3025-09-4419 Wireless PCI-E WLAN Card
04:41 < Psi-Jack> RaLinkTech? Not a great wireless, honestly.
04:43 < xamithan> Looks like you can use ndiswrapper-dkms and use the windows driver for it
04:44 < fareast> hey i didn't aim for great i just wanted something to work
04:44 < fareast> it was free
04:44 < Psi-Jack> RALinkTech doesn't really "work" well, if at all usually.
04:45 < Psi-Jack> You would be better off replacing it with something else.
04:45 < fareast> well crap
04:45 < fareast> I sold all my intels
04:45 < Psi-Jack> Bad idea. Intel wifi is actually REALLY good, usually.
04:45 < Psi-Jack> Second only to Atheros.
04:46 < fareast> well i usually go with the intel or the tp link archer
04:46 < Psi-Jack> TP Link usually uses Realtek, which is still better than RaLinkTech. heh
04:46 < fareast> I don't even know what is considered good in a wifi adapter anymore
04:46 < lupine> many tplink devices are atheros
04:46 < Psi-Jack> Some, yes. They use a few.
04:46 < fareast> walmart netgear special
04:47 < fareast> usb 3.0
04:47 < Psi-Jack> Netgear, usually uses Realtek.
04:47 < fareast> what should i buy on consumer level and also what should I buy for business level.
04:47 < fareast> do you guys have any good goto's
04:47 < Psi-Jack> Simple. Atheros or Intel-based.
04:47 < lupine> avoid USB wifi
04:47 < fareast> I am using ubiquiti for my access points and ciscos usually
04:48 < fareast> right
04:48 < Psi-Jack> Mmm, Ubiquity is good. :)
04:48 < fareast> usb sucks shuts off right
04:48 < Psi-Jack> Noi, USB usually has crap chipsets.
04:48 < fareast> I don't have much choice in the matter
04:48 < fareast> all I have is walmart and some shitty staples around the corner
04:48 < lupine> atheros+usb isn't a dead cert
04:48 < lupine> so best avoided
04:48 < Psi-Jack> fareast: And Amazon.com
04:48 < syb0rg> fareast, no amazon?
04:48 < fareast> yeah well that takes some time
04:49 < fareast> i am looking for same day
04:49 < syb0rg> two days?
04:49 < Psi-Jack> Sometimes it's worth the wait to get proper equipment.
04:49 < fareast> I agree
04:49 < fareast> some don't like to wait at all.
04:49 < fareast> people like instant gratification
04:49 < Psi-Jack> WiFi is one of those things you want to get right. :)
04:49 < fareast> I usually tune the channels and leave it at that.
04:49 < syb0rg> can attest to that, I have a media pc that constantly loses its wifi. Otherwise it would be a NAS too
04:49 < fareast> it works for a good time.
04:50 < syb0rg> ^one that uses USB wifi
04:50 < fareast> netgear wifi adapters the smaller ones have been faithful to me
04:50 < Psi-Jack> I've had laptops that came with Broadcom, Realtek, Ralinktech... Replaced them with Intel or Atheros mPCIe cards.
04:51 < fareast> so atheros is better than intel?
04:51 < Psi-Jack> Depends
04:51 < Psi-Jack> Yes and No
04:52 < fareast> I think you really get what you pay for right
04:52 < Psi-Jack> They're both really good brands usually.
04:52 < Psi-Jack> Atheros is good for also acting in promiscuous mode to be a wap as well where Intel does not.
04:52 < jml2> fareast, for linux, i'd say intel does more than atheros
04:52 < fareast> this little shit right here did some good for me
04:52 < fareast> https://www.walmart.com/ip/NETGEAR-A6100-WiFi-USB-Mini-Adapter-network-adapter/30823971
04:53 < fareast> I mean it isn't the fastest by any means but it did hold a connection for a really long time.
04:53 < triceratux> jml2: btw thanks for that manpage. /etc/resolv.conf is best as a symlink to the /run/systemd thing that byoasses the 127.0.0.53 resolver. i got lxqtextix 18.4 fixed this morning. never ran into that so malconfigured before
04:54 < jml2> triceratux, i've encountered these issues across debian and ubuntumate,  systemd-resolvd is supposed to be the successor for encrypted dns, so it's good to know how to configure it
04:55 < azizLIGHT> how do i do "oathtool --base32 --totp "VERY-SECRET-THING" " on the command line without leaving traces of it in .bash_history or anywhere else
04:55 < Psi-Jack> systemd-resolved does encrypted dns? DoH or DoT?
04:55 < fareast> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F83631007&cm_re=pcie_wireless_adapter-_-33-704-241-_-Product
04:55 < jml2> dunno if its ready, but that's where things are headed to
04:55 < fareast> this is the card i bought for my desktops in the house
04:55 < jml2> systemd is continously evolving/improving..
04:55 < fareast> its good
04:55 < fareast> archer t9e
04:56 < pnbeast> jml2, are you saying it couldn't get much worse?
04:56 < jml2> pnbeast, no its' getting better :)
04:56 < fareast> I think I might have fixed it by switching pcie ports
04:56 < pnbeast> Those are not exclusive, jml2.  In fact...
04:56 < ||JD||> systemd is continously getting in mid of everything ....fixed that for you
04:57 < jml2> pnbeast, ~/.config/systemd/user/* things are coming on for debian stretch...  this allows overrides of /usr/lib/systemd/user/  :)
04:58 < jml2> pnbeast, systemctl --user things
04:59 < aaa_> this is possible to use windows software like visual studio on linux ?
04:59 < jml2> pnbeast, i had to do a pulseaudio/jack compatibility fix, i used a symlink->/dev/null override with my user systemd setup. previously wasnt' possible..
04:59 < jml2> pnbeast, unless I manually removed links from /lib/systemd/system/* ..
05:00 < dell00> aaa_ Wine is the best software to use for this; however, it's not fully compatible with MSVC.
05:00 < dell00> *Visual Studio.
05:01 < jml2> fareast, all of plugable.com sells linux-compatible things
05:01 < aaa_> yes
05:01 < jml2> fareast, https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/devices
05:01 < aaa_> so what is the next best solution ? i know wine dont fully support everything
05:02 < aaa_> run something like qube OS or virtual machine right ?
05:03 < syb0rg> aaa_, VM is a good bet
05:03 < syb0rg> that is what I do for windows apps
05:03 < aaa_> ok ty
05:03 < SporkWitch> most modern hardware will support pci pass-through, so if you have a second video card (or on-board + dedicated) you can give the guest OS bare metal access to the GPU
05:04 < SporkWitch> that said, if you need visual studio, you're developing FOR windows, you may as well use that abomination
05:05 < jml2> SporkWitch, most?
05:05 < jml2> SporkWitch, don't think so
05:06 < SporkWitch> jml2: if it's a desktop? yeah, unless you're buying bottom of the barrel, pretty much all your modern mobos and cpus support the features required, have for quite a few years now
05:06 < jml2> I wonder where you're getting your stats from
05:07 < jml2> maybe virtual extensions, but not full-blown motherboard support for pci passthrough
05:07 < SporkWitch> the presence of support on literally every mobo and cpu i've looked at that wasn't bottom of the barrel? lol
05:07 < azizLIGHT> how to run commands in privacy? no logs
05:08 < azizLIGHT> command entered, and command output should not be stored or retreivable by anyone
05:08 < syb0rg> azizLIGHT, you could always shred your bash history if you don't mind losing it
05:08 < jml2> azizLIGHT, use bash in restricted mode, I suppose it wouldn't save the bash history
05:08 < snugger> Why do we need 3 desktop environments trying to emulate the look and feel of GNOME2? Budgie, Mate and Cinnamon
05:08 < azizLIGHT> is bash the only one who saves history. what about other parts of the system
05:09 < syb0rg> *shrug*
05:09 < SporkWitch> snugger: because that's what happens when the main project takes an unpopular direction.  there's almost never just one fork
05:09 < snugger> Mate is the only one that truly emulates GNOME2's design
05:09 < azizLIGHT> jml2: im looking restricted mode up now
05:09 < snugger> Cinnamon seems to be a continuation of GNOME2 with a lot of stuff added, which I suppose is a valid reason
05:09 < syb0rg> azizLIGHT, if you are really doing something that secretive use a live OS without persistence
05:09 < snugger> But budgie is just sitting there
05:09 < dannylee> rm -rf .bash_history
05:09 < snugger> No real killer features
05:10 < SporkWitch> azizLIGHT: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=run+shell+commands+without+history
05:10 < azizLIGHT> syb0rg: its only 1 command actually
05:10 < snugger> Seems like just a way to advertise Solus
05:10 < dannylee> all the web browser keep some kind of history
05:10 < jml2> azizLIGHT, man rbash ... or sometimes the creation of -> ln -s /bin/bash /bin/rbash  can also work
05:10 < azizLIGHT> SporkWitch: yes thanks. i was wondering if bash is the only one who stores history?
05:10 < azizLIGHT> when running commands
05:11 < SporkWitch> azizLIGHT: it's a very standard feature of any decent shell; the real question is WHY and WHAT you're trying to hide.  is it a password or something? if so, most stuff has a flag for interactive password entry
05:11 < azizLIGHT> SporkWitch: i want to run oathtool and i dont want to feed the secret key into the command line and have it storred. it would be dumb
05:12 < azizLIGHT> my earlier quetsion was: how do i do "oathtool --base32 --totp "VERY-SECRET-THING" " on the command line without leaving traces of it in .bash_history or anywhere else
05:12 < jml2> azizLIGHT, an rbash can be enforced on users, if you suspect they're misusing system resources
05:12 < jml2> azizLIGHT, "touch /etc/nologin" immedialely locks out any new user connections :)
05:12 < dannylee> i like tor
05:12 < azizLIGHT> will it show up on ps aux ?
05:12 < dannylee> c0000l
05:13 < azizLIGHT> man oathtool
05:13 < azizLIGHT> hmmm seems weird oathtool doesnt accept interactive
05:14 < dannylee> and your isp allso keep a log of your history
05:14 < syb0rg> dannylee, web history is not relevant to command line history
05:14 < dannylee> just install tor
05:14 < syb0rg> neither is tor
05:14 < dannylee> ok
05:15 < jml2> touch
05:15 < azizLIGHT> if someone is watching ps aux and recording it, they could see my command
05:15 < jml2> I touched your history
05:15 < azizLIGHT> is there anyway to prevent taht
05:15 < jml2> ln -s /dev/null ~/.bash_history   XD
05:16 < azizLIGHT> what would happen if you press up or down on the prompt with that jml2
05:16 < jml2> impractical.. unless you're doing more than this.. but gives a basic idea for concepts going for a restricted bash shell
05:17 < azizLIGHT> yes, that is fine. that solves .bash_history, but what about other users snooping ps aux
05:17 < jml2> oh thats something else, you can use a capability restriction somewhere.
05:17 < jml2> i forget where, but you can certainly should be able to do that easily
05:18 < SporkWitch> check the documentation on oathtool, there should be some means of entering the secret without putting it directly in the command...
05:19 < SporkWitch> that said, the secret is stored somewhere; if you're that concerned about other users on the machine, they probably shouldn't be on that machine
05:19 < jml2> azizLIGHT, https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-hide-processes-from-other-users/
05:20 < Psi-Jack> WodenCafe: See. Often. ;)
05:20 < azizLIGHT> SporkWitch: hmm i did check the man page. it only seems to accept it as a command line argument unforunately
05:20 < azizLIGHT> which is kinda dumb for a password ish utility
05:21 < azizLIGHT> SporkWitch: im just exploring privacy :D to see what is possible and not
05:21 < azizLIGHT> and if there are other vectors
05:21 < aaa_> what is privacy?
05:21 < azizLIGHT> besides two i know of
05:21 < aaa_> "exploring privacy" ???
05:21 < WodenCafe> -_-
05:22 < aaa_> -_-
05:22 < WodenCafe> I just transformed into Cafe Mode, that's all.
05:22 < WodenCafe> Hey aaa_ I saw a log of you getting banned from somewhere earlier
05:22 < WodenCafe> Good times
05:22 < SporkWitch> azizLIGHT: lots of things are possible, but "what's possible" is rarely a productive question.  better is "what is needed and how do we achieve it"
05:23 < azizLIGHT> hmm i suppose you are right
05:23 < azizLIGHT> needs more scope. sory
05:23 < WodenCafe> aaa_:  http://iforce.co.nz/i/uivzkcgv.vg5.png
05:23 < WodenCafe> It was in ##security
05:23 < WodenCafe> I bet they're still mad
05:24 < Psi-Jack> wodencafe: And there it is again.
05:24 < wodencafe> Hey Psi-Jack I'm sorry I didn't want to change my nick back to plain old "wodencafe", but my friend in another room told me it changed the color of my nick for him to red and he doesn't like it.
05:24 < wodencafe> I want to be WodenCafe. But my friend.. he was complaining.
05:24 < uptime> Psi-Jack: And imagine how much less noise would be in this channel if you just /ignored nick changes.
05:24 < jml2> azizLIGHT, https://access.redhat.com/solutions/65822
05:25 < aaa_> or /ignored uptime
05:25 < wodencafe> I'll just be plain old wodencafe for now. My bad guys
05:25 < SporkWitch> uptime: the reason changing nicks is discouraged in large channels goes beyond cluttering the logs; even if you hide them on the client it still has performance impacts
05:25 < jml2> azizLIGHT, redhat mentions you can copy, but iirc sometimes making a symlink also works -- not sure if this can apply for all distros(probably not)
05:25 < aaa_> yes 20% performence degrade
05:26 < aaa_> for whole pc
05:26 < wodencafe> Why would it cause any more performance impact than regular messages o_o
05:26 < aaa_> lol
05:26 < aaa_> o_o
05:27 < azizLIGHT> jml2: hmm interesting links. i wonder if most systems do Linux kernel hardening hidepid option by default ?
05:27 < aaa_> uptime is the noise incarnate
05:28 < aaa_> in human form
05:28 < aaa_> well idk most likely a bot
05:29 < SporkWitch> wodencafe: has to do with checking conflicts, updating a bunch of stuff, etc., and the impact can be greater in larger channels.  the command may be comparable to sending a message, but what it does is not
05:29 < wodencafe> That sounds like a design flaw
05:30 < SporkWitch> wodencafe: no, it sounds like the nature of the universe; changing your name is not simply relaying a text message.  regardless, changing your nick while in large channels is discouraged, and has been for pretty much the history of the IRC protocol
05:32 < jml2> so a new tomb raider for linux was just released, should be good tehehe
05:32 < azizLIGHT> jml2: for the second link, what if you made a group called commands-allowed, and then put all the binaries already on the system into this group for executable, and any new user who is created, is not in commands-allowed gourp, so he cannot execute the binaries present on the system? but he could execute pgorams he downloaded i guess
05:33 < [pony]> Anyone wanna see my hands
05:34 < [pony]> wodencafe does
05:34 < [pony]> https://i.imgur.com/1Xgt7ZB.jpg
05:34 < bwoods316> hi
05:34 < wodencafe> what
05:36 < jml2> azizLIGHT, you should be able to create a system-wide setting /permitted/bin/  and set the PATH which shouldn't be overriding by the user..
05:37 < Psi-Jack> DetectiveTaco: You... Have a similar problem, constantly changing nicks throughout every day. heh
05:38 < DetectiveTaco> Sure do
05:39 < Psi-Jack> DetectiveTaco: This is a very large channel, and the nick changes only contributes to noise, so it would be better to not do so so much, or better, have one nick and stick to it.
05:39 < learningc> I want to build a cluster computer
05:39 < Psi-Jack> Just a kind request.
05:39 < SporkWitch> i want an obutto r3volution
05:39 < uptime> Psi-Jack: You commenting on every nick change also creates noise.
05:39 < learningc> Question, do all nodes have to be same architecture?
05:40 < Psi-Jack> learningc: What?
05:41 < learningc> Psi-Jack, cluster computing
05:41 < SporkWitch> learningc: form a complete question
05:41 < Psi-Jack> Define "cluster computing" in the manner you're referring?
05:42 < learningc> I want to build a cluster computer (aka supercomputer). Can I mix x86 with powerpc or arm ?
05:43 < Psi-Jack> A supercomputer is vastly different than you think it is.
05:43 < Psi-Jack> SO, again, please describe what you actually mean. :)
05:43 < learningc> Aren't they made by combining smaller computers together?
05:43 < Psi-Jack> No
05:43 < learningc> https://www.wikihow.com/Build-a-Supercomputer
05:44 < Psi-Jack> Not even going to look at that, because if that's where you got the idea that that's what a "supercomputer" is, then it's wrong.
05:45 < SporkWitch> wikihow is often REALLY bad; 6 pages to go down an irrelevant tangent that doesn't actually offer a good explanation
05:45 < Psi-Jack> Now, if you'd describe what you actually intend to do.. That would be ever so much more helpful.
05:46 < Psi-Jack> There's many different kinds of clusters. Compute clustering (aka cpu clustering), such as Beowulf. Network clustering, Process/Service clustering, etc.
05:46 < pnbeast> [R], you're a cluster.
05:46 < [R]> pnbeast: peanut?
05:47 < pnbeast> Maybe.  We have to wait for Psi-Jack to define it clearly.
05:47 < [R]> lol
05:47 < Psi-Jack> Me? No, learningc. heh
05:48 < jml2> nobody is delighted by the new tomb raider release? tsssk
05:49 < jml2> pacman nerds!
05:49 < pnbeast> I got into Linux for the Tomb Raider gaming, yes.  That was the big sell for me.
05:50 < jml2> i'm buying it
05:50 < jml2> i played the earlier release 2 years ago
05:51 < learningc> Psi-Jack, ok, I have a pc and an embedded system. I want to use the pc processing power with the embedded system.  This means the embedded system will have its the local pheripherals, but borrow some processing power from the PC cpu
05:52 < Psi-Jack> learningc: To do... What?
05:53 < learningc> Psi-Jack, To get the embebeded faster when special circumstances like demos
05:53 < [R]> faster doing what
05:53 < learningc> Opencv processing
05:53 < dannylee> gaming
05:54 < Psi-Jack> learningc: Yeah.. That's not going to work.
05:54 < [R]> is that algorithmic or graphical?
05:54 < learningc> algorithm
05:54 < [R]> then just run wahtever program you want, on the pc
05:55 < learningc> No, the pc is different.  Need to validate application runs on embedded
05:55 < [R]> what?
05:55 < dannylee> its not linux???
05:55 < learningc> the application needs to run on embedded because it has gpio and stuffs
05:56 < Bashing-om> jml2: Protronix says best have the hosses for Tomb Raider : https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=tomb-raider-20 .
05:56 < pnbeast> Stuffs, he?
05:56 < collins> [R]: pew pew
05:56 < pnbeast> Er, *eh?
05:57 < collins> heh
05:57 < [R]> learningc: you don't need gpio to do opencv
05:57 < learningc> stuffs like things not on pc
05:57 < pnbeast> You might need stuffs, though.
05:57 < jml2> whoa this baby is gunna take 25 gig
05:57 < snugger> Any of you play OpenArena?
05:57 < jml2> that new tomb raider
05:57 < tpanarch1st> hello, selinux issue - ugggh, uploaded a ssh key as a certain person very kindly helped me with here! but i suspect that i have an issue whereby selinux is getting in the way
05:57 < collins> learningc: isn't opencv supposed to list and select devices for you at runtime?
05:57 < tpanarch1st> i tried restorecon -v in the home directory but no luck
05:58 < learningc> but I need gpio to control things like open door
05:58 < learningc> just an example
05:58 < snugger> I heard a comparison that SELinux is a horse and AppArmor is a donkey
05:58 < snugger> I disagree
05:58 < [R]> learningc: ok... so do that on the device, and do the opencv on the pc
05:58 < snugger> Impossible to control or do what you want. At least a donkey is somewhat reliable
05:58 < snugger> SELinux is a Zebra
05:59 < learningc> Then how do I combine both into a cluster?
05:59 < SporkWitch> learningc: by reading the documentation
05:59 < [R]> learningc: no, you jsut run 2 programs
05:59 < tpanarch1st> is there something else that needs to be run as well as restorecon -v by any chance please?
05:59 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Why do you assume it's SELinux?
05:59 < syb0rg> Hey guys, I installed xubuntu with this partitioning scheme (https://imgur.com/a/bbk5FAs), but I had to create the encrypted partitions manually because the installer crashed otherwise. The install was successful, but grub can't mount my root partition. I assume the issue is that grub doesn't know that it needs to decrypt the two LUKS partitions before it can mount my root and home. Does anybody know what changes I need to make to
05:59 < syb0rg> my grub configuration? Here is my /etc/default/grub: https://pastebin.com/jF45NeSH
05:59 < learningc> [R], then I can I display opencv image into embedded LCD?
06:00 < learningc> then how can I
06:00 < [R]> learningc: i asked if it was algorithmic or graphical
06:00 < [R]> you said algorithmic
06:00 < [R]> now you're saying graphical
06:00 < [R]> make up your mind
06:00 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: because i've checked and checked my config to make sure it's correct, then i went to google and it's apparently a common issue with selinux getting in the way
06:00 < collins> snugger: I'm a strong critic of SELinux. It's like cutting fast growing grass with a small scissor
06:00 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Okay. Describe the current specific problem.
06:00 < learningc> [R], yes algorithm, qt will do the gui
06:00  * [R] shakes his head...
06:01  * Psi-Jack shakes [R]'s head too.
06:01 < [R]> learningc: once the opencv has done its business, send the result to the device
06:01 < [R]> this isn't rocket science
06:01 < syb0rg> oh hey I just heard someone today say that "qt" is pronounced "cute," not cutie. Is this true??
06:01 < [R]> syb0rg: correct
06:01 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: so, deleted old ssh key, ssh-copy-id'd the new one
06:01 < tpanarch1st> restarted ssh
06:01 < syb0rg> huh
06:01 < tpanarch1st> no joy
06:01 < [R]> syb0rg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s
06:01 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: In the user's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys, right?
06:01 < [R]> syb0rg: thats the official release video for qt4
06:02 < learningc> [R], how? opencv can work on its own with drm?
06:02 < [R]> learningc: what?
06:02 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: yeah because i rechecked that it had 0 keys in it after removal :)
06:02 < tpanarch1st> and then it had one key after transfer
06:02 < syb0rg> lol [R]
06:02 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: That's CentOS 6.x I guess from our previous conversation?
06:02 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: no it's centos 7
06:02 < learningc> [R], opencv wont display the algorithm
06:02  * tpanarch1st is a glutton for punnishment 
06:02 < [R]> learningc: huh?
06:02 < Psi-Jack> Oh, either way, CentOS. :)
06:02 < tpanarch1st> yeah man!!
06:03 < tpanarch1st> gahhh i love debian
06:03 < learningc> [R], opencv is just algorithm
06:03 < [R]> learningc: ok... and?
06:03 < tpanarch1st> but zimbra instructions at the time were for centos7 so i rolled with it :)
06:03 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: ls -lad $HOME/.ssh; ls -lad $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys, paste those two lines (since it should be only 2, you can use the channel to paste directly)
06:03 < tpanarch1st> thanks Psi-Jack :)
06:03 < jml2> syb0rg, if the root partition is encrypted with grub -> GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y
06:03 < snugger> collins: Me too. It's one of my biggest gripes about Fedora
06:03 < [R]> syb0rg: COME ON DO THE CUTE 4 DANCE
06:04 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: both together or is your semi colon to say 2 commands please :)
06:04 < syb0rg> jml2, ok, that is really the only config change needed?
06:04 < jml2> syb0rg, you'll need a rescue boot from a cd/usb and mount things, and then update-grub
06:04 < jml2> syb0rg, (mount --bind & chroot)
06:04 < syb0rg> [R], I can't dance, so fortunately I have an excuse notto
06:04 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: ; seperates commands, it'll run both.
06:04 < [R]> syb0rg: if that awkward guy int eh video can do you... so can you!
06:04 < syb0rg> jml2, I tried to add that command to my grub earlier but I guess I messed up because it didn't take (the grub is unchanged) so I guess I will try that again later
06:05 < syb0rg> I did the chroot, mount --binding various things, etc
06:05 < jml2> syb0rg, you need to be responsible when it comes to encryption!
06:05 < syb0rg> but maybe the guide I used missed a step, I'll look again later.
06:06 < syb0rg> jml2 what if I'm just irresponsible, what then?
06:06 < jml2> syb0rg, then you should just use Azure SphereOS and DIE
06:06 < syb0rg> lol
06:06 < syb0rg> what is DIE is that a new desktop environment?
06:07 < SporkWitch> DIE is advice for not living ^_-
06:07 < jml2> ^ minecrafters
06:07 < SporkWitch> ??
06:07 < jml2> MS-lovin' minecrafters.
06:07 < syb0rg> I don't love MS but Minecraft used to be cool
06:08 < jml2> go take a skype.
06:08 < dannylee> windows must die a painful Death
06:08 < syb0rg> skype me bb
06:08 < tpanarch1st> drwxrwxr-x 2 myusername myusername 51 Apr 21 04:18 /home/myusername/.ssh -rw------- 1 myusername myusername 739 Apr 21 04:40 /home/myusername/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:08 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack:
06:09 < tpanarch1st> i also noticed there were some old keys in root when i ran that command there by accident
06:09 < tpanarch1st> (sorry about the delay, i had to turn back on password login)
06:09 < SporkWitch> eeewwww, password login...
06:09 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Just as I figured. Permission issue. chmod go-rwx ~.ssh; chmod go+r ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:10 < Psi-Jack> SporkWitch: Shush.
06:10 < SporkWitch> ~/.ssh should be 700, authorized keys 600
06:10 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Sorry, typo correction
06:10 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: chmod go-rwx ~/.ssh; chmod go+r ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:10 < tpanarch1st> ahhh thanks Psi-Jack what's happened here please?
06:10 < tpanarch1st> :)
06:11 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Permissions were incorrect. How it happened, I do not know.
06:11 < tpanarch1st> and does it matter if i run that as root or username?
06:11 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: As the user.
06:11 < tpanarch1st> sweet :)
06:11 < Psi-Jack> ~ means current user, so since youi don't login as root... Needs to be the appropriate user. :)
06:11 < tpanarch1st> sorry chap :)
06:12 < Psi-Jack> Otherwise, chmod ~myusername/.ssh etc.
06:12 < tpanarch1st> fairs :)
06:12 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Once you fix the permission issues, your key should work just fine.
06:12 < SporkWitch> yeah, sorry, standard shell conventions.  ./ is current dir, ~/ is current user's home
06:13 < Psi-Jack> SporkWitch: Since authorized_keys just houses public keys, it can be 644
06:13 < Psi-Jack> Hence my go+r only. ;)
06:14 < [R]> pubic keys?
06:14 < SporkWitch> Psi-Jack: i've had some builds complain
06:14 < tpanarch1st> thanks SporkWitch Psi-Jack what a horrible one to sort out, how you know those commands i will never know!
06:14 < Psi-Jack> SporkWitch: This is what CentOS has defined it to be.
06:14  * tpanarch1st really dislikes cents
06:15 < tpanarch1st> cents
06:15 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Years experience.
06:15 < tpanarch1st> ugghhhhh
06:15 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: decades of experience
06:15 < tpanarch1st> not to flame obviously!
06:15 < syb0rg> that just sounds like good cents
06:15 < Psi-Jack> Yes, decades experience too :)
06:15 < tpanarch1st> centos even lolllll
06:15 < tpanarch1st> yeah you guys really know your soandso!
06:15 < syb0rg> lol
06:15 < tpanarch1st> i was nearly screaming at the thing
06:15 < tpanarch1st> oh well, thank God for that
06:16 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: So it wasn't a SELinux issue. :)
06:16 < SporkWitch> Psi-Jack: but yeah, while 644 SHOULD be fine, i have had some builds of openssh complain in the past; i've never had any complain about 600, which is fine.  i can think of some paranoid usecases where you'd need non-root users reading other people's authorized keys, but they're pretty niche
06:17 < Psi-Jack> SporkWitch: Well, they couldn't even if they wanted, because of the permissions on .ssh itself. heh
06:17 < snugger> Does anybody know why openSUSE/zypper does not have the option for removing unused dependencies? That kind of seems like a standard feature with most package managers
06:17 < SporkWitch> Psi-Jack: also true, but yeah; i always just do 700 and 600 respectively because nothing ever complains that way
06:17 < tpanarch1st> indeed not Psi-Jack but everyone tells you to go on google :)
06:17 < SporkWitch> snugger: ask their team? lol
06:17 < tpanarch1st> was trying to show initiative at least :)
06:18 < snugger> zypper in general seems to be janky
06:18 < pnbeast> An unused dependency?
06:18 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: when you ask a google question, i'll give you a lmgtfy link; if you have a legitimate or difficult to search if you don't already have a good idea issue, then yeah, we help
06:18 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: True. And you did a restorecon as well, which shows you tried something, even if it wasn't correct. :)
06:18 < [R]> pnbeast: you're unused
06:18 < snugger> pnbeast: A dependency dragged in by a package but the package was removed but not the dependency
06:18 < Psi-Jack> All while evil unknowing minions like syb0rg and collins are dissing SELinux due to lack of knowledge. :)
06:18 < snugger> So it's basically useless just sitting there
06:19 < syb0rg> hey I didn't say shit about SElinux
06:19 < tpanarch1st> hehe Psi-Jack and SporkWitch thanks :)
06:19 < syb0rg> I made a bad pun regarding a typo about centos lol
06:19 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: one thing to note when setting up new servers: restarting sshd (as in restart, not stop and then start) DOES NOT interrupt active ssh connections.  make sure you have an active connection, and keep that open, while trying to open a new one to test.  that way, if you screwed up, you aren't locked out
06:19 < syb0rg> I have never used centos
06:19 < tpanarch1st> and hehe Psi-Jack so i guess you like centos
06:19 < Psi-Jack> syb0rg: Oh, sorry, snugger . :)
06:19 < snugger> Can somebody tell me why people use centos? what's special about it?
06:20 < dannylee> fedora 27 is my g0D
06:20 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Yes. It's the primary server distro I use.
06:20 < paddy|> it did it. you said "is just sitting there" and then the process bar moved
06:20 < tpanarch1st> thanks SporkWitch i'm spoilt because I run proxmox
06:20 < tpanarch1st> i think Psi-Jack somehow debian fits better for me but deep respect
06:20 < Psi-Jack> snugger: Well, for starters. It's got SELinux. heh.
06:20 < tpanarch1st> it seems centos is the hardcore one somehow
06:20 < snugger> Psi-Jack: Heh heh...
06:20 < collins> Psi-Jack: that's accurate. My main problem with it is that I can't learn it in a few hours
06:21 < snugger> CentOS seems to strive for stability like Debian
06:21 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: centos is basically free RHEL, which is popular in the enterprise.  debian is also common, though more so on the home use side
06:21 < snugger> But it has less packages
06:21 < Psi-Jack> snugger: yum (and dnf) is far superior also to apt as well. Providing history commands, rollback, transactional details, easilly utilized.
06:21 < snugger> And uses the monster known as SELinux
06:21 < tpanarch1st> ah SporkWitch is debian acceptable for enterprise stuff? :)
06:21 < snugger> Psi-Jack: I was just about to mention that
06:21 < tpanarch1st> in your opinion i should say so as not to flame
06:21 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: personally, i prefer debian for most of my stuff, but i do use centos for my mailserver, as i like kolab, which is better maintained for RHEL than debian
06:21 < tpanarch1st> also you jack_rabbit
06:21 < tpanarch1st> Psi-Jack: ***
06:22 < tpanarch1st> ahhhh fairs SporkWitch that's something different, i cry when i have to touch postfix
06:22 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: certainly, just a matter of preference.  RHEL sees more adoption from bigger places because they offer paid support options, which companies like, where debian does not
06:22 < tpanarch1st> email management is definitely one for another day for me
06:22 < snugger> apt is inferior compared to MOST package managers actually. Only beating pacman maybe
06:22 < snugger> pacman is just a whole other story
06:22 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: CentOS is often used by big businesses and corporations, along with RHEL. Debian is often used by smaller startups and smaller companies.
06:22 < SporkWitch> pacman is monstrously awesome...
06:22 < tpanarch1st> ah fairs SporkWitch it just seems like there are less things to go wrong somehow on the debian side
06:22 < SporkWitch> so is portage, for that matter lol
06:22 < tpanarch1st> ah so i'm not the only one starting out realising, for a grassroots charity debian can be a good friend as windows is certainly not for business!!!
06:23 < dannylee> centOs is a bit of a winny..i just want ten terminals and ten web browser..fedora is a better choice
06:23 < snugger> SporkWitch: HAH. I'd like to give me one example of how pacman does anything better than, let's say, dnf
06:23 < tpanarch1st> ah fairs, quite a few advocates of centos :)
06:23 < tpanarch1st> does anybody do anything geeky and run their business in some obscure flavour?
06:23 < Psi-Jack> Woooooo... My ceph rebalance is almost finally done, after over 24 hours of waiting for it. LOL
06:23 < tpanarch1st> i rather wonder what arch and stuff like that is for
06:23 < snugger> Only thing good about pacman is easy for development
06:24 < Psi-Jack> snugger: Here here. And it's not even /that/ great for that.
06:24 < snugger> tpanarch1st: Arch is for people who think they're cool for using Arch
06:24 < Psi-Jack> snugger: I use Arch
06:24 < SporkWitch> snugger: for starters, letting me do a lot more with a single command where both apt and yum require multiple; but just your tone alone says your opinions here are anything but impatial
06:24 < tpanarch1st> congrats Psi-Jack for your help both later and earlier it's nice to hear that things are going well for you too
06:24 < snugger> SporkWitch: Yum is deprecated and dnf has a single command thing similiar to pacman
06:24 < tpanarch1st> what do people use arch for, hardly ever hear about it
06:25 < bug> bragging
06:25 < tpanarch1st> is it a lot harder to use and it looks cooler then for some of you
06:25 < [R]> tpanarch1st: being l33t
06:25 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: I use Arch for my desktop, laptop, work desktop, work laptop. Simply because it does what I like it to do with my recent changes in workflow.
06:25 < SporkWitch> snugger: and aptitude is better than apt-get, yet yum and apt-get are the ones that the overwhelming majority still use; i confess, i haven't used dnf, as i'm not fond of centos; as i said, i only use it for my mailserver
06:25 < snugger> pacman doesn't allow you to install a package from a URL, doesn't support wildcards, has inconsistent command names, ect, ect.
06:25 < tpanarch1st> sorry everybody, i don't mean my questions in any kind of flaming way
06:25 < Psi-Jack> And because, well, I always get to learn about all the latest stuff as they come out pretty much. Arch is always bleeding edge.
06:25 < tpanarch1st> i think i was told years ago to be careful of asking such questions
06:26 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: it allows a lot of control and doesn't install much without you telling it to.  it's also less work than something like LFS, and you don't have to compile everything from source like with Gentoo.  Would i use it on a workstation that i need daily?  No.  Can it be fun and functional on something that i can afford to need some occasional TLC? yes
06:26 < tpanarch1st> ah Psi-Jack but in return, you get all the non-ironed out bugs but the benefits of new stuff
06:26 < tpanarch1st> SporkWitch: i may have a play with it for a laugh some time
06:26 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Right. I can't and won't recommend Arch to others.
06:27 < tpanarch1st> ah so have fun with it for previews but don't use it for anything important?
06:27 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: depending on the type of learner you are, it may actually be a really good way  for you to learn.  based on your conduct here, i think it'd be worth a go for you
06:27 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: there will be lots of reading involved, but the arch wiki is really good
06:27 < tpanarch1st> ah fairs, sorry I probably look like a right prat haha
06:27 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: For you, I wouldn't recommend you even touch Arch at this time. No offense intended, but Arch requires knowledge to use it, a lot of it to use it properly.
06:28 < tpanarch1st> oh sure Psi-Jack but no harm on a vm right? :)
06:28 < Psi-Jack> Sure.
06:28 < Psi-Jack> If you can manage it. :)
06:28 < tpanarch1st> everything i do is on vm's anyway
06:28 < tpanarch1st> :)
06:28 < snugger> Might I suggest you use QubesOS?
06:29 < tpanarch1st> oooh ok, tell me more please snugger
06:29 < snugger> It's whole point is running distros in VM's tpanarch1st
06:29 < dell00> Secure and reliable. +1
06:29 < tpanarch1st> oh wow that's interesting!
06:29 < dannylee> openSuse is really easy too learn..it is one of the best one to start with
06:29 < snugger> That helps with security a lot
06:29 < Psi-Jack> I have yet to actually try out Qubes
06:29 < tpanarch1st> will write these down
06:29 < tpanarch1st> im so tired lol
06:29 < tpanarch1st> here it's 5:29am
06:30 < syb0rg> You can also just do what I do - have a VM you like, configured with the software you want, and run a clone of it to do stuff in
06:30 < elzorro> Hello Europe
06:30 < dell00> It's 11:30pm.
06:30 < syb0rg> then delete the clone when you are done with it
06:30 < syb0rg> and write simple scripts to automate both steps
06:30 < tpanarch1st> syb0rg: are there benefits to using that on top of proxmox?
06:30 < snugger> I'm really happy about the direction Canonical is taking. They've mostly stopped doing stupid sideprojects that everybody hates like Mir and Unity
06:31 < syb0rg> tpanarch1st, I was referring to an alternative to QubesOS
06:31 < tx> that's because they are following the $$$$
06:31 < tx> servers, infrastructure ;)
06:31 < tx> no more blue sky dreamy projects like mir
06:31 < tpanarch1st> sure syb0rg but i use proxmox PVE you see :)
06:32 < syb0rg> looks cool tpanarch1st
06:32 < tpanarch1st> oh sorry it was snugger that was talking about that apologies syb0rg - so my question was, are there benefits with that running on top of proxmox?
06:33 < notmike> Plug walk
06:34 < tpanarch1st> yeah it's nice what i've ended up with proxmox with ispconfig machine, zimbra machine (i'm getting rid as it's way too heavy on memory), freepbx (I may drop as i've had serious issues with migrating to freepbx13) and then my debian machines for ircbot etc
06:35 < tpanarch1st> so in actual fact, if i drop freepbx and zimbra, i'm out of the centos game which I can't help but say i'll be relieved about
06:38 < tpanarch1st> if i change a username, does that stuff up the stuff inside of the users home directory please?
06:38 < fr0b> The DS10 is hanging :( Need more linux distros supporting alpha....but it's probably bad ram or something...
06:39 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: permissions are handled by UID, not username; changing the username only changes the entry in /etc/passwd
06:40 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: now if you have any configs that reference a specific username, you will need to change those to the new name, since the old will not resolve
06:41 < tpanarch1st> aha SporkWitch only thing running on there is radius (although i'm damned if I ever got that up properly) and my ircbot
06:42 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: i've never actually set up radius myself, so whether you need to do anything with its settings would depend on whether you have it using PAM against existing unix users, or something else
06:42 < SporkWitch> tpanarch1st: if it's using PAM, it should take the updated username immediately, i should think
06:43 < tpanarch1st> yeah, i don't know the first thing about it to be honest, i struggled with it and left it whilst i sorted some other stuff out
06:43 < tpanarch1st> including migrating my web server
06:43 < tpanarch1st> would these be acceptable instructions please https://askubuntu.com/questions/34074/how-do-i-change-my-username
06:43 < SporkWitch> read the feedback; you can usually count on someone to tear it apart if it's a bad idea, and explain why
06:44 < SporkWitch> and always read the manpages and understand what a command actually does before just copying and running it
06:45 < snugger> Do you think console emulators should be removed from free repositories in distros since they require proprietary ROMS to be used?
06:46 < tx> snugger: they don't
06:46 < snugger> Well, mostly
06:46 < SporkWitch> snugger: no they don't
06:46 < snugger> You could make an open source snes game yourse;f
06:46 < SporkWitch> well, mostly, sure, but the emulator itself is free, and it doesn't requre non-free stuff to use
06:46 < SporkWitch> there's also no issue with including the free  stuff and having separate repos for nonfree
06:46 < snugger> But their main purpose is to play proprietary ROMs
06:47 < SporkWitch> irrelevant; is the emulator itself free?
06:47 < snugger> Yes, but its main purpose is to play proprietary ROms
06:47 < SporkWitch> irrelevant; is the emulator itself free?
06:48 < snugger> Yes, but its main purpose is to play proprietary ROMs
06:48 < snugger> There's more to the "yes"
06:48 < SporkWitch> no, there isn't
06:48 < SporkWitch> the thing in the repos is free software
06:48 < storge> irrelevant; is the emulator itself free?
06:48 < snugger> It's like saying AMD drivers are open source
06:48 < snugger> They require proprietary stuff to be used
06:49 < SporkWitch> .... AREN"T AMD drivers open source? lol
06:49 < snugger> No
06:49 < SporkWitch> doesn't matter if you need a proprietary AMD GPU to actually put them to use, the software is free
06:49 < tx> well
06:49 < snugger> They can't be used without proprietary stuff
06:49 < tx> Their linux ones are I think
06:49 < Disconsented> Depends on the drivers you're talking about
06:49 < Disconsented> Its both really
06:49 < Psi-Jack> Their later drivers are.
06:49 < SporkWitch> snugger: your problem has become clear now, you don't know what open source or foss are
06:49 < snugger> Psi-Jack: Really? That's good
06:49 < Psi-Jack> fglrx is not.
06:50 < tx> snugger: The emulator is FOSS, the emulator software itself
06:50 < snugger> SporkWitch: That's a very bold claim
06:50 < tx> because you can open pirated ROMS on it is besides the point
06:50 < SporkWitch> snugger: no it's not, you've made it quite clear; you've explicitly said things that are open source or FOSS aren't because they can be used with non-FOSS stuff
06:50 < snugger> I'm not saying they shouldn't be added, I'm just saying there's more to the "yes".
06:50 < [R]> gcc can be used to make non foss
06:50 < SporkWitch> no, there isn't
06:50 < [R]> should it be removed
06:50  * [R] giggles
06:51 < tx> We should be removing all software because it runs on proprietary hardware (mostly)
06:51 < SporkWitch> password cracking tools can be used to commit felonies, should possession of them be outlawed?
06:51 < tx> perhaps we should make a foss hardware whitelist
06:51 < [R]> bittorrent can be used to download illegal content
06:51 < [R]> should bittorrent clients be removed?
06:51 < snugger> Unless you make your own games and use it with such emulator it's pretty much a gateway for proprietary roms.
06:51 < storge> you can kill a family with a car, should we ban all cars?
06:51 < snugger> It's different than that
06:51 < tx> snugger: you can
06:51 < tx> and people DO that
06:51 < [R]> snugger: just like heroin...
06:51 < snugger> storge: lmao
06:51 < SporkWitch> tx: already exists, and it's a bit of a joke, really, since you have no way of knowing it was actually built to the claimed specs
06:52 < snugger> Its MAIN PURPOSE is to use proprietary ROMs
06:52 < storge> so
06:52 < snugger> It CAN be used to run open source ROMs
06:52 < tx> snugger: says who
06:53 < Psi-Jack> snugger: Though, that's still in violation of the pre-existing licensing model/
06:53 < snugger> You're comparing it to something like a torrent, which can be used to download illegal content. and that's, frankly, a stupid thing to do
06:53 < storge> why
06:53 < Psi-Jack> There's a mention about this subject matter in the channel rules about emulators like that. I'd suggest people look at it.
06:53 < SporkWitch> ....
06:53 < tx> snugger: Have you looked at the disclaimers / agreements generally added to these emulators?
06:53 < snugger> tx: Yes I have.
06:53 < storge> some things are made illegal because of onerous regulations, not because the thing is evil in itself
06:54 < snugger> You're missing my point. I'm not saying they shouldn't be included, but the main thing most people use it for is to run proprietary software. That can't be argued
06:54 < SporkWitch> "emulators CAN be used with free and non-free things, they shouldn't be included!" "bittorrent can be used to distribute things legally and illegally" "that's totally different!"
06:54 < Psi-Jack> SO... Linux anyone? ;)
06:54 < snugger> The MAIN PURPOSE SporkWitch
06:54 < [R]> Psi-Jack: what's a linux
06:54 < SporkWitch> snugger: no, you're missing the point; nothing is relevant except the software at hand, in this case, the emulator
06:55 < tx> NeXTStep anyone?
06:55 < SporkWitch> snugger: irrelevant.  it's a tool, like any other.
06:55 < [R]> SporkWitch: i think he's a tool...
06:55 < SporkWitch> [R]: you THINK? lol
06:55 < pnbeast> Wait, what?  Someone's in IRC and claims something can't be argued?  That's a good one!
06:55 < tx> snugger is secretly a sony / nintendo lawyer
06:55  * snugger *sighs*
06:56 < tx> :)
06:56 < pnbeast> Uh oh, we have a sigher!
06:56 < SonyShekelCollec> Oy vey
06:56 < storge> apparently snugger is an agent sent from the world of walled gardens
06:56 < tx> apple?
06:56 < Psi-Jack> Can we please stop this.
06:57 < tx> It worked.
06:57 < SporkWitch> tx: don't jinx it
06:58 < tx> so anyway, my debian 7 upgraded to buster system on my laptop is starting to get a little memory leaky and slow
06:58 < tx> time for a change
06:58 < tx> 5 years and 2 laptop changes, and 1 ssd change has been enough for 1 linux build
06:59 < tx> far too long, actually
07:00 < storge> tx: i used the same /home on the same hdd from 2008 to 2015
07:00 < storge> and like a million distro installs on that drive during that time
07:01 < storge> the hdd is still alive, but i finally copied it all over and it sleeps cold in a box
07:01 < tx> storge: my home has barely ever changed
07:01 < tx> I got lazy with my laptop's system tho
07:02 < femboyfoxbulge> what distro have you settled on tx
07:02 < tx> Justin Beiber Linux
07:03 < SporkWitch> i've taken to storing most of the stuff that matters on multiple external drives; media served over PLEX from one of the externals
07:03 < storge> fem boy fox bulge ...furry?
07:03 < tx> it's a bit old but very stable
07:03 < femboyfoxbulge> Justin Beiber Linux is too bloated for my liking
07:03 < junka> storge; ferry?
07:03 < storge> so is justin, just give him a few more years
07:03 < junka> femboyfoxbulge; go with Montana
07:03 < SporkWitch> the rest of my home, like configs and the like, is in a git repo, and i've got a script to symlink everything after a new install
07:03 < femboyfoxbulge> I much prefer building my own Linux From Scratch distro, much more ethical and practical
07:04 < femboyfoxbulge> With, of course, SourceMage sources.
07:04 < SporkWitch> !ops femboyfoxbulge obvious trolling through multiple nick changes
07:04 < paddy|> do you guys know your actual opinion after all this "joking"?
07:04 < femboyfoxbulge> lmao
07:05 < femboyfoxbulge> "Why have you reported this man?"
07:05 < femboyfoxbulge> "He changed his nickname"
07:05 < paddy|> super funny, i can see it
07:05 < femboyfoxbulge> I'm sorry if I've angered you with my opinoins, SporkWitch
07:05 < paddy|> a miniature text comic
07:05 < femboyfoxbulge> Opinions*
07:06 < Disconsented> [16:59:18] <-> SonyShekelCollec is now known as femboyfoxbulge
07:06 < Disconsented> Back in my day trolls werent this obvious
07:06 < femboyfoxbulge> I'm not trolling at all
07:06 < SporkWitch> Disconsented: september never ends
07:06 < femboyfoxbulge> It's just a nickname
07:06 < junka> femboyfoxbulge; your nickname is fabulous
07:06 < kuri0> how do i increase the sd card reader speed ?
07:06 < femboyfoxbulge> Is a nickname really considered "trolling" these days?
07:06 < tx> purchase a new sd card reader usually does it
07:06 < SporkWitch> ^
07:07 < kuri0> on raspberry pi i can change it in config file
07:07 < Disconsented> kuri0> buy faster cards or a better reader
07:07 < tx> kuri0: is the class of SD card just a bit too slow?
07:07 < kuri0> Disconsented, its supposed to be 90mb/s but its 24mb/s
07:07 < kuri0> maybe i got scammed lol
07:07 < SporkWitch> kuri0: most SD card readers use a USB interface to the mobo, so your bottlenecks are the USB standard in use, the reader itself, and the SD card itself
07:07 < femboyfoxbulge> Where did you buy it kuri0
07:07 < femboyfoxbulge> Is it a no-name brand?
07:07 < kuri0> SporkWitch, its a laptop sd card reader
07:08 < femboyfoxbulge> kuri0: Oh
07:08 < kuri0> how do i check the brand ?
07:08 < kuri0> i don't have the box
07:08 < femboyfoxbulge> shouldn't it say on itself?
07:08 < SporkWitch> kuri0: i can almost guarantee it's still a usb interface on the back end, but the point stands; you'd have to look up the specs and get a card that meets or exceeds the highest supported
07:08 < femboyfoxbulge> Can you remmebr where you bought it
07:08 < femboyfoxbulge> Or search through your history
07:08 < kuri0> SporkWitch, the laptop uses pcie for the sd card reader not usb
07:08 < kuri0> it was like 2 years ago
07:08 < alexmitchell> anyone using Fractal here for IRC?
07:09 < femboyfoxbulge> Hm
07:09 < SporkWitch> alexmitchell: If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later
07:09 < femboyfoxbulge> It's constantly at 24mb/s no matter what you transfer?
07:09 < SporkWitch> kuri0: lspci and/or lsusb should give you more information about the specific hardware you've got to look up specs
07:10 < kuri0> Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5229 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
07:10 < SporkWitch> kuri0: sounds like a search string to me :)
07:10 < alexmitchell> Thats actually the question,.. is it better than an IRC client?
07:10 < femboyfoxbulge> kuri0: It constantly says 24mb/s no matter what you transfer?
07:10 < kuri0> SporkWitch, between 10mb/s and 30mb/s
07:10 < kuri0> i just said average
07:10 < alexmitchell> (the whole Matrix network stuff)
07:10 < femboyfoxbulge> Hm
07:11 < kuri0> what i'm doing is burning system images with etcher
07:11 < SporkWitch> alexmitchell: those are actually very different questions lacking context.  "is it better than an irc client?" at what? not connecting to IRC, which you would necessarily need if you want to connect to irc
07:11 < femboyfoxbulge> I don't know how to troublesoot further. Sorry
07:12 < alexmitchell> SporkWitch:  I have no experience with matrix, so any help- advice would be good. I was of the opinion that IRC could work over matrix.
07:12 < SporkWitch> kuri0: the advice remains the same.  loook up the model, make sure you're using a good SD card (though no need for better than is supported, though faster is usually backwards compatible).  if you're having I/O bottlenecks on the source material that could also explain it
07:13 < alexmitchell> SporkWitch: so just wanted to know if anyone was using it...
07:13 < SporkWitch> alexmitchell: your questions and statements are severely lacking in context.  how about asking a coherent question, with context, and the information necessary to answer?
07:13  * storge raises his hand to say "i'm not"
07:14  * alexmitchell will ask in matrix IRC
07:15 < paddy|> a lot of poison out there. who sucks it up?
07:15 < storge> good americans like yourself
07:16 < paddy|> i would turn into femboyfoxbulge's mom as american
07:16 < femboyfoxbulge> OwO
07:17 < storge> i swear "fem boy fox bulge" describes a significant portion of the avatars i ever saw in second life back in the day
07:18 < storge> not making fun of you, just saying
07:18 < SporkWitch> storge: hey, my buddy made some alright money selling animated tails lol
07:19 < storge> SporkWitch: i made some selling random crap i made. enough to never need to put money into it at least. i wonder how much i have in there now. it's been ages.
07:20 < funksh0n> Hi all.
07:21 < femboyfoxbulge> hello, funksh0n
07:21 < storge> SporkWitch: i knew someone who made enough money to pay all their real world bills--selling hair styles
07:21 < SporkWitch> storge: there's definitely money to be made.
07:22 < storge> i don't know about still, i mean i saw a definite drop of people there while i was in it, i have no idea how many people still do second life
07:23 < ||JD||> I was making USD300/day with D3 RMHA until stupid blizzard decided to remove it
07:23 < ||JD||> good things never last
07:24 < femboyfoxbulge> THINKFAST: tmux or GNU Screen
07:24 < storge> when it all started to turn into nonstop sex clubs i just turned off
07:24 < storge> what D3 RMHA
07:24 < storge> jesus lasts.
07:24 < storge> --just kidding
07:24 < storge> what is D3 RMHA?
07:25 < SporkWitch> Diablo 3 initially allowed real-money trade of in-game assets and took a cut, like steam cards and stuff
07:25 < junka> i thought of breakfast
07:25 < junka> sorry
07:26 < femboyfoxbulge> I rarely have breakfast
07:26 < storge> i only eat babies
07:26 < femboyfoxbulge> I always wake up during lunchtime
07:26 < storge> well it's still breaking a fast (while you slept)
07:26 < junka> storge; whats your preferred age?
07:27 < femboyfoxbulge> t-too lewd
07:27 < storge> junka: i don't have a preference. whatever i find in the dumpster
07:27 < storge> but anyway femboyfoxbulge your breakfast is just 'at lunchtime'
07:28 < junka> yeah time is irrelevant
07:29 < storge> time is definitely irrelevant. just look at the double-slit experiment.
07:29 < storge> but anyway linux
07:29 < SporkWitch> don't feed the troll
07:30 < femboyfoxbulge> No joking allowed in ##linux
07:30 < femboyfoxbulge> If you think otherwise you're a troll
07:30 < paddy|> joke or be projecting as much as you like but ....
07:31 < paddy|> of all the people around you you choose the weakest one who has a serious disease to prove how lame you are
07:31 < paddy|> why
07:31 < storge> who's that aimed at
07:33 < storge> subtweeting in irc :)
07:33 < junka> is it "to be continued" ?
07:33 < junka> i feel like it ended with a cliffhanger
07:34 < storge> what did
07:34 < paddy|> were you born when that movie came out?
07:34 < junka> which movie
07:34 < paddy|> it forgets quickly
07:34 < storge> the one with the guy at the place
07:34 < junka> the green slaggish slag?
07:35 < paddy|> fire & forget. must be a follower of trump
07:35 < storge> paddy|: who are you subtweeting
07:35 < paddy|> who knows
07:35 < femboyfoxbulge> Why are you using twitter at all
07:35 < paddy|> i forgot
07:36 < junka> its okay
07:36 < paddy|> why are you lame?
07:36 < paddy|> find a poper target maybe?
07:36 < femboyfoxbulge> :-( I can't help that
07:36 < paddy|> a proper one
07:36 < femboyfoxbulge> Target?
07:36 < paddy|> yeah
07:36 < junka> find me pls
07:36 < femboyfoxbulge> what do you mean
07:36 < storge> what the heck is paddy| on about
07:36 < junka> im week
07:37 < femboyfoxbulge> storge: I have no idea. I'm a bit scared to be honest
07:37 < junka> storge; delirium
07:37 < paddy|> 4 i count so far. how many can you bring to this "conversation"?
07:37 < RayTracer> maybe just get outside, take a breath, and focus back to linux
07:37 < femboyfoxbulge> wh-
07:37 < storge> ...
07:37 < junka> RayTracer; but no one needs help atm
07:37 < junka> at the moment, sorry
07:37 < RayTracer> and probably nobody needs non-linux topics in ##linux either
07:37 < paddy|> ## folks maybe
07:38 < junka> should we.. talk about systemdos?
07:38 < femboyfoxbulge> I'm pleasently surprised by how lightweight Cinnamon is
07:38 < junka> femboyfoxbulge; really?
07:39 < femboyfoxbulge> Fedora only uses 400mb of memory on boot with it
07:39 < femboyfoxbulge> Not sure about how much memory itself uses...but it's pretty darn impressive for all the bells and whistles it has
07:39 < storge> remember when 400mb was huge?
07:40 < femboyfoxbulge> Yeah...
07:40 < junka> femboyfoxbulge; yeah it requires hardware acceleration otherwise software rendering is meh
07:40 < storge> yeah on an old thinkpad like mine, DEs just drag. openbox ftw here
07:40 < femboyfoxbulge> Slackware + Xfce only uses 200mb on boot
07:40 < femboyfoxbulge> But...that's Slackware
07:41 < paddy|> you cant hide how lame your actions against people are who need medical help
07:41 < storge> RayTracer: happy? now it's just aimless banter about linux
07:41 < junka> i tried Plasma the other day, and im no fun of KDE
07:41 < junka> it was an amazing experience
07:41 < junka> good job to the devs
07:41 < femboyfoxbulge> Plasma is garbage in my experience
07:41 < femboyfoxbulge> Buggy, memory hog, terrible search function, customizing it is a nightmare
07:42  * storge has never tried plasma
07:42  * femboyfoxbulge recommends storge never try it
07:42 < junka> it was very lightweight to my surprise and i could actually do multitasking with no real problem on ancient hardware
07:42  * storge hasn't run KDE since the last KNOPPIX disk burnt in like 2010
07:44 < junka> i believe the reason is the kde mobile os
07:45 < junka> Kwin for the win
07:46 < junka> but yeah the settings are ew, so much to configure
07:47 < junka> but i have a choice, thats good
07:50 < storge> i hadn't used systemd in forever, and then i installed stretch and before i banished the systemd, a few times i tried to shutdown -r and it would just take forever, constantly showing "stop jobs running" and i literally went to the store and came back and my laptop was still rebooting.
07:51 < storge> i know i could reduce or eliminate that happening, but why the hell is it happening to begin with
07:52 < storge> it would say "stop job is running for $THIS or $THAT and give each one something over 1.5 minutes, one after another, until i just hard rebooted
07:53 < storge> i'm sure there's a reason it does it, but pfff
07:53 < RayTracer> storge: I saw this week that some timeouts are even prolonged when they're reached
07:53 < Sitri> It gives a mere 1.5 minutes to your shutdown jobs?
07:53 < storge> RayTracer: i saw it happen
07:53 < Sitri> You lucky jerk
07:53 < storge> Sitri: not just one job, like one after another
07:53 < storge> wtf is it doing that for
07:53 < Sitri> No clue
07:54 < Sitri> No reason it needs to wait 5 minutes for one job to finish
07:54 < Sitri> I mean seriously
07:54 < RayTracer> no idea, and I wish distro's QA would stop that
07:54 < storge> this laptop is ooooold and with sysvinit i can reboot from desktop to xdm login in about 15 seconds--faster if i optimize it
07:54 < Sitri> Nice
07:54 < RayTracer> there are reasons for longer timeouts, though, for some applications
07:54 < Sitri> Yeah, sysvinit would actually let you reboot
07:54 < Sitri> In a reasonable non-MS time.
07:55 < storge> yeah seriously, when my windows boot is faster--and it's a buggy 7 install--than debian with systemd, something's borked
07:56 < Sitri> Oh man
07:56 < storge> and since i'm on a laptop and i'm very mobile, i reboot a lot. can't have it.
07:56 < Sitri> W10 likes to pull "yeah, I'm updating NOW" bullshit.  While I'm ON A JOB.  Then it takes over an hour to do so
07:57 < storge> well, user rhymes with ...
07:57 < storge> i haven't seen 10, fighting my sister's 8 install was the end of my interest in that world
07:58 < Sitri> I don't think my W8 install ever updated
07:58 < storge> my oooold vbox of xp is preferable and faster, at least on this laptop
08:12 < jim> hi SporkWitch just got home... what was it?
08:16 < femboyfoxbulge> Time for me to go to sleep UwU
08:16 < femboyfoxbulge> G'night goys
08:27 < Dragoneye> multibootusb, unetbootin, multisytem did not manage to give me a bootable siduction install usb stick.   Did simular with ubuntu and worked fine.  Any clue of what I'm forgetting?
08:27 < tpanarch1st> hey, does anybody know how you go about getting rid of a https warning for an internal web gui - i have one on proxmox and one on ispconfig and both are rather irritating having to go around the houses in the web browser :)
08:28 < tpanarch1st> they are only accessible via LAN and not the internet
08:28 < [R]> tpanarch1st: permanently add the exception or add the ssl certificate to your system
08:29 < tpanarch1st> sure, in terms of ssl certificates, does this have to be an outside company? As I understand it, I would have to actually make my LAN facing web interfaces accessible to the outside world in order to verify them?
08:30 < [R]> what?
08:30 < tpanarch1st> well everywhere on google, what i'm reading is that I would have to get a certificate from an outside company
08:30 < [R]> you have a ceritifacte
08:31 < [R]> it woudln't be working if you didnt
08:32 < tpanarch1st> well [R] I'm actually doing https://192.168.1.104:8006 and then getting a message from chromium and other browsers that it is not happy
08:32 < tpanarch1st> http refuses a connection
08:32 < [R]> [11:28:32] <[R]> tpanarch1st: permanently add the exception or add the ssl certificate to your system
08:33 < tpanarch1st> oh right [R] so what you are saying is a) one exists on the server b) that I need to copy it to my laptop
08:33 < [R]> or just tell the browser to ignore it
08:34 < tpanarch1st> [R]: in order to add the ssl certificate, is this computer specific or browser specific please
08:34 < tpanarch1st> as i can't find any instructions
08:35 < [R]> depends on your dist and your browser
08:35 < tpanarch1st> linux mint
08:35 < tpanarch1st> running chromium
08:35 < tpanarch1st> server is running pve (modified debian)
08:35 < [R]> then google make chromium ignore ceriticate error
08:35 < [R]> or something like taht
08:35 < [R]> or chromium add ssl ceritficate
08:38 < Dragoneye> did 'dd' ciduction.iso to usb and it boots, but hang on "GRUB "   and cant key in anyting.  Only CTRL-ALT-DEL works :-/   Any clue?
08:41 < [R]> it boots or it doesnt boot... make up your mind
08:41 < Dragoneye> Is that remark helpful in any way? :-)
08:43 < b5509cd> best distro for first time linux users that isn't ubuntu?
08:43 < [R]> b5509cd: distrowatch has a list of major dists
08:43 < femboyfoxbulge> ubuntu mate
08:43 < femboyfoxbulge> in all seriousness try solus
08:43 < femboyfoxbulge> maybe fedora
08:44 < b5509cd> [R]: that site is just overwhelming
08:45 < tpanarch1st> ah right, thanks for this [R] then the next question is where does proxmox put the https certificate please?
08:45 < [R]> b5509cd: tahts why i said 'major dists'... nto the whole thing
08:45 < [R]> tpanarch1st: how should i know?
08:45 < Dragoneye> I'm set on trying ciduction,   Been using Ubuntu, Redhat, slackware, mint.
08:45 < femboyfoxbulge> siduction uses debian unstable repos
08:45 < femboyfoxbulge> so it's not stable enough for general use
08:46 < femboyfoxbulge> debian unstable puts out package that have proven to at least run
08:46 < femboyfoxbulge> but that's about it
08:47 < Dragoneye> I know, that is grate isnt it?   It will not be on my main box, just a test box
08:47 < hexnewbie> And apparently its ISOs aren't hybrid and can't boot from USB unmodified?
08:47 < tpanarch1st> does anybdy else know please :)
08:48 < Dragoneye> My stupid head thought i could just dd iso on usb stick and boot.  Got to do a litle reading.   tnx for input.
08:49 < hexnewbie> tpanarch1st: It's a click-through that the browser gives you when you visit the page
08:51 < tpanarch1st> hexnewbie: nope i don't get offered the opportunity to install it
08:51 < tpanarch1st> it just says either "back to safety" or process (unsafe)
08:51 < tpanarch1st> and it becomes a pain clicking Advanced - and then proceed every single time
08:52 < tpanarch1st> progress not process*
08:52 < tpanarch1st> proceed grrr
08:52 < hexnewbie> tpanarch1st: If it is the certificate, and the web UI allows you to upload one, generating a new self-signed one may be an option. Otherwise, a different browser perhaps?
08:53 < tpanarch1st> well, from what R was saying earlier, one is already available, it's just that chromium says it is invalid
08:53 < hexnewbie> Chromium/Chrome totally got rid of the ability to view any info about the certificates recently, so it became kind of useless
08:53 < tpanarch1st> and as for where it is stored, i'm stuck
08:53 < tpanarch1st> oh right, that's handy
08:53 < [R]> hexnewbie: its in developer tools
08:55 < hexnewbie> tpanarch1st: Ah, [R] is right. You can view and *export* the certificate from developer tools (it's in the security tab)
08:56 < hexnewbie> Hm, I'm not sure what good that would do, because I doubt it's a certificate for 192.168.1.104
08:57 < tpanarch1st> well i've finally sound this https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Import_certificate_in_browser
08:57 < tpanarch1st> so i presume it will work
08:57 < tpanarch1st> found*
08:58 < Dragoneye> Ohh, did wrong dd to my main drive isted  sda.. help i'm dying..
08:58 < Dragoneye> kidding.
09:00 < Dragoneye> Probebly found my nemisis,  did dd siduction to /dev/sdg1 and not /dev/sdg, trying it now.
09:07 < jim> wow 7 drives?
09:11 < Dragoneye> Minor glich in the matrix, did the wrong thingy once before..    Got siduction booting now.  Should not have dd'ing it  to a partition, just to the root usb drive.  /dev/sdg   :-D
09:12 < Dragoneye> Have a nice weekend folks! I guess we are the 3 awaik of 2187 people on this channel :-)
09:13 < Spookan> 2196 ;)
09:14 < Dragoneye> :-D
09:16 < demahum> Hi all, I am wondering... When wanting to install something on a Linux machine, we can: 1. Compile from the source code, 2. Download binary for our system and install it using some local tool (e.g. dpkg), 3. Use package manager to download and install automatically (e.g. apt) -> and I guess that's it, is there other way? :D
09:16 < [R]> well apt is just a frontend to dpkg...
09:18 < edd_lc> demahum: Sounds about right
09:18 < demahum> [R]: True that, but I mean you can download binary or let the package manager download binary for you, I count that as "two ways". :D
09:18 < demahum> edd_lc: cool, thanks, that's what I think as well
09:18 < [R]> demahum: lol
09:18 < edd_lc> demahum: Cheers
09:25 < Dragoneye>  demahum: user can add your repository where you have your package and then user can install this via his package manager.
09:26 < Dragoneye> demahum: help.github.com/articles/create-a-repo/
09:26 < demahum> Dragoneye: Yeah, true that, it can be a step needed before just calling the package manager
09:26 < demahum> if it is non-standard repo
09:26 < demahum> thanks
09:27 < Dragoneye> or user  can just dpkg -i yourpackage.deb   ;-)
09:27 < pnbeast> You could start an editor and type the right bytes into a file, too.
09:27 < Dragoneye> hexedit
09:27 < demahum> Dragoneye: that's what I wrote already, download the binary and install via local tool
09:28 < demahum> pnbeast: haha, well, I am more thinking of standard ways :P not overkill ones :D
09:28 < Dragoneye> demahum. right.
09:28 < Dragoneye> :-)
09:28 < demahum> but true, it can be done :D
09:29 < pnbeast> Some things are available in more than one style/source of repository, e.g. CPAN, so that's another.
09:30 < [R]> yeah, but does perl really matter anyway?
09:31 < pnbeast> Well, no - that's why I chose it, because it was a ridiculous example.
09:31 < [R]> lol
09:31 < Dragoneye> \[R\]: Is'nt Visual basic in theese days?
09:31 < pnbeast> I guess everyone is asleep.
09:32 < smith1232> hi all. i used a bunch of linux distros (started with lfs, then experimented a bunch, used gentoo for like 10 years, then switched to fedora for binaries and ease of use). what would you guys recommend to put on a new laptop? previously my main drive was to learn, now it's for stuff to be both minimalistic and working out of the box, but still capable enough to provide me with any package in one line. i was considering arch, but may
09:33 < [R]> smith1232: use what you know
09:33 < john_rambo> Is there a way to stream Youtube videos using youtube-dl with omxplayer ? How?
09:34 < [R]> create a named pipe, have ti save to the piep, and then have the other thing read from the piep
09:34 < pnbeast> I named my pipe 420.
09:34 < smith1232> [R]: guess you're right. i might just go with fedora again. but you know how it is, at different points in time there is a billion good options for a certain use case, and other times (n)one
09:35 < [R]> smith1232: well, then check the major dists list on distrowatch
09:35 < smith1232> [R]: i did, but that didn't help all that much. this is why i am asking here.
09:35 < [R]> lol
09:36 < tpanarch1st> thanks everyone
09:41 < wodencafe> aloevera
09:42 < aloevera> hello?
09:42 < wodencafe> mumble?
09:42 < aloevera> do i nkow you
09:45 < aloevera> it was the fucking quit message wasn't it
09:47 < sauvin> Mind the language.
09:48 < sauvin> Hrm... he/she/it left. Oh, well.
10:34 < RIPAvicii> hello
10:34 < Dragoneye> yo
10:37 < well_laid_lawn> howdy
10:39 < emx> i set up vpn for private use. so far so good. what i am missing is to access the internet not through vpn but through local internet. i researched and tried a few things but tracepath always shows me that requests go through vpn. any hints?
10:40  * collins has kicked collins from ##linux (collins)
10:42 < emx> (i want to add that option to th ovpn file)
10:45 < MrElendig> fix your routing
10:45 < MrElendig> don't use the vpn as the default route
10:48 < notmike> Don't do it
10:48 < emx> notmike, why not?
10:49 < notmike> Because MrElendig said so. You should just listen to her and not verify for yourself.
10:50 < bazhang> notmike, is that appropriate for here
10:50 < notmike> No, I'm sorry. I'll ban myself now :(
10:51 < well_laid_lawn> well, that was different
10:51 < emx> causation seems to die more and more nowadays...
10:52 < pnbeast> :(  I unignored him just to watch fireworks.  How disappointing...
11:15 < hetii> I have such script: https://pastebin.ca/4017403 that use namespaces. The point is that from host I want to be able to telnet to service that bind inside ns2 so 11.11.11.2
11:15 < hetii> so on ns2 I run nc -l -p 1234 and on host: telnet 10.10.10.2 1234
11:15 < hetii> iptables inside ns2 looks like: https://pastebin.ca/4017405
11:16 < hetii> btw I need to go outside so please leave answer on my priv, thx :)
11:31 < mawk> hetii your script worked at least once ?
11:31 < mawk> that's doubtful
11:31 < mawk> namespaces only exist when a process is in them
11:32 < mawk> in your script you create namespace aliases using ip netns but doesn't bind them to a real namespace using a running PID
11:32 < mawk> open two bash shells using unshare -n, use echo $$ in them to get their PIDs
11:32 < mawk> then assign that to your namespace aliases
11:38 < peetaur> what do you do if there's some appliance that requires the java browser plugin to work... what do you do? (other than use a windows vm with outdated IE) (D-Link DCS 932LB camera)
11:40 < muep> preferably I'd replace the appliance
11:41 < muep> but one could also keep somewhere a copy of some ancient browser version that can run the right kind of plugin
12:04 < amelliaa> How to set a font family to use bold variant in fontconfig?
12:15 < amelliaa> nvm, found it
12:30 < TwistedFate> sigh, i really wanted to use zfs on my new drive, but why does it have to be so complicated :(
12:31 < MrElendig> there are distroes that supports it out of the box, like lolbuntu
12:31 < MrElendig> use one of those
12:32 < malina> it also depends on what you mean by complicated.
12:32 < TwistedFate> I want to use it with funtoo/gentoo
12:32 < MrElendig> maintaining it yourself is a giant pain in the arse
12:33 < TwistedFate> malina: complicated as it's not easy to format your drive like with ext
12:33 < MrElendig> patchset loves to break on every minor kernel update
12:33 < malina> true.. I forked pacman, doing my own os now.. and I wouldn't say it's a big pain in the ars eby itself.. I have zfs.. it's maintaining 2000 packages oneself which is the pain.. in .. the arse.
12:33 < TwistedFate> MrElendig: So it's not stable?
12:33  * MrElendig would rather use btrfs on linux
12:34 < malina> you have to diff it vs. kernels sources as you needs to build the modules, as you can't ship them due t licensing issues.
12:35 < lopid> isn't that the point of gentoo? DIY
12:35 < malina> if, as mrelendig says, the patchset is tender between each release, you quickly jump out in front of a passing llama
12:35 < TwistedFate> malina: So wait, if I understand correctly. I would have to maintain ZFS myself?
12:36 < TwistedFate> And it can break after every kernel upgrade?
12:36 < malina> with that said.. since the modules are popular, people DO that, and so you don't need to do it 1st hand, but 2nd hand (so grabbing patchsets, and rebuilding) which is not complicated and not too bad
12:37 < malina> well, MrElendig's advice was best as such, as in oob distro is nice for you, if you cba.. but else.. ifg you wanna do it on one you use and they don't do it for you, then yes.. you have to maintain it yourself(althugh as I say, you don't need to actually create the pathching as normally the zfa peeps are doing that).
12:37 < malina> ffs*
12:37 < malina> zfs* lol
12:38 < malina> you need to rebuild vs each kernel upgrade and thus, if , like eldnig says, there is a patch differenc,e you will also need to download possibly new sources anfd so on. aka maintain
12:38 < malina> yes..
12:38 < TwistedFate> that really is a pain in the arse
12:38 < malina> you could also just f*ck off to windows or like mrelendig told you, use a distro which provides it for you oob.
12:38 < malina> well, take a gun and blow your brains out.. there.. problem solved.  ^^
12:39 < TwistedFate> why so hostile bro :S
12:39 < malina> why complicate so much?
12:39 < malina> :(
12:39 < malina> besides, I am not hostile.. I gave you options :)
12:43 < stevendale> 64-bit Windows 7 has at least 20, maybe 30 more frames per second than 32-bit Windows 7 had
12:43 < stevendale> (In games)
12:43 < stevendale> Why is this so?
12:44 < stevendale> I only have 4 GB RAM, so it can't be that
12:44 < lukey> TwistedFate: Why when there is VDO + LVM + btrfs?
12:44 < TwistedFate> lukey: Is btrfs the closest thing to ZFS that we have on GNU+Linux?
12:45 < lukey> TwistedFate: yes
12:45 < hexnewbie> TwistedFate: Well, there's Btrfs and ZFS. Log structured filesystems take a different approach that happen to achieve, in part, some of the same things.
12:46 < hexnewbie> By that I mean log structured filesystems offer snapshots.
12:48 < TwistedFate> sucks how bsd folks got it better
12:48 < TwistedFate> when it comes to zfs
12:48 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: hexnewbie https://bcachefs.org/  bcachefs is another cow class file system.
12:48 < Lope> Is there a way to see what speed my USB3 device is syncing at in my USB3 port? I bought a "MS Surface Pro 2" used, and I think the USB3 port doesn't sync at USB3. The reason is I've always had slow speeds copying between the internal SSD and a USB3 hard drive. Now I've got a USB3 hub that has a built-in USB3 gigabit ethernet adapter, and when I copy big files, it's not moving at 100MiB/s :/
12:49 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: zfs biggest issue is license.
12:49 < lukey> TwistedFate: Ubunto has ZFS.
12:49 < TwistedFate> lukey: yeah but i don't want to use *buntu
12:50 < hexnewbie> TwistedFate: Still, it doesn't justify ‘BSDs have it better’, when switching distros is simpler than switching the whole OS
12:51 < lukey> TwistedFate: debian too.
12:51 < pepermuntjes> why should i use zfs?
12:51 < hexnewbie> Unless you're going for HAMMER, of course
12:51 < ice9> is it possible to resize lvm partition without downtime?
12:51 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: http://zfsonlinux.org/  zfs as a module is support by a linxu distributions.
12:51 < lukey> ice9: depends on your filesystem
12:51 < ice9> lukey, please explain
12:51 < hexnewbie> ice9: By LVM partition you mean logical volume or physical volume? Only the latter is/can be a partition
12:52 < pepermuntjes> ice9, yes
12:52 < TwistedFate> oiaohm: I saw that, but I don't want any messing around with it, i was hoping it's like formatting with ext, you just format, mount and use..
12:52 < ice9> hexnewbie, in both cases
12:52 < lukey> ice9: ext2/3/4 can only grow online, not shrink. Try lvresize -r -L <new size> <VG>/<LV>
12:53 < pepermuntjes> yeah
12:53 < hexnewbie> ice9: lukey  means that you need to give more details. LVM can itself be resized without any form of downtime, but that doesn't say a lot about what's under or above it.
12:53 < pepermuntjes> only grow
12:54 < hexnewbie> These days almost anything can be grown online, so chances are, yes
12:54 < lukey> ice9: And you can of course add and resize PV's online too
12:56 < oiaohm> lukey: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/226872/how-to-shrink-root-filesystem-without-booting-a-livecd/227318#227318  there is a way of shrinking all file systems without rebooting but its really doing a very big voodoo side step.
12:57 < lukey> oiaohm: Yes, by releasing the root filesystem too
12:58 < hexnewbie> Hm, I can't imagine why ZFS would be difficult on Gentoo. I was using Gentoo when I migrated everything to ZFS. Admittedly, that was in the ZFS-FUSE era, but I can't imagine it being more difficult than keeping track of upstream kernel/ZoL yourself like I had to do before Debian added ZFS
12:58 < oiaohm> lukey: or having more than 1 copy of the root file system.
12:58 < Hooloovo0> to be fair, multiple copies of the rootfs would be moderately easy to do with lvm
12:59 < oiaohm> lukey: ie so you can swap between root copy a to root copy b while you resize copy a and then switch back to a and resize b.
12:59 < lukey> oiaohm: You could even swap to a live-cd :)
12:59 < oiaohm> lukey: or the fun of creatively breaking a mirror raid.
13:00 < lukey> oiaohm: Wait I think you could also swap to an LVM snapshot
13:00 < oiaohm> lukey: exactly there are ways.
13:00 < oiaohm> lukey: none particularly nice.
13:01 < oiaohm> lukey: it would be way nicer if the driver could have online shrink added but that also will add a lot of driver complexity.
13:01 < oiaohm> lukey: and a lot of block caching complexity.
13:03 < cyberbob> hi guys, I'm a linux admin (you may say a DevOps guy) and with nine years of experience  want to start some something of *my own* asked this on quora https://www.quora.com/anonymous/2741d91d73464822bc66303b977946c2  would request if some champ can advise on this matter (sorry if I posted this to wrong channel) :)
13:04 < BluesKaj> Hiyas all
13:05 < hexnewbie> cyberbob: You may consider starting an electric car company, a rocket launch company, solar panel company, and start digging tunnels. It's a confirmed path up for former IT guys.
13:05 < ananke> cyberbob: this has very little to do with linux. in fact, it has virtually nothing to do with linux
13:05 < TwistedFate> So to conclude, Btrfs is the best option if I want to get as close as possible to ZFS without having to mess around with stuff?
13:06 < cyberbob> ananke: thanks but was not sure where to request for that so thought if some guys here might have followed same path and may be able to help here
13:06 < lukey> TwistedFate: Yes, if you are missing some features there, LVM and VDO coan replace them.
13:07 < ananke> cyberbob: you need to talk with business folks. if you have absolutely no clue which direction to go and you're at this stage, perhaps it should be a good sign that 'starting' something may not be a wise choice
13:07 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: btrfs is confusing in itself.    Orcale funds the lead developers of both btrfs and zfs.
13:07 < ananke> cyberbob: whether it's starting your own business, or even working as a contractor
13:07 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: btrfs existance is confusing in it self.
13:08 < oiaohm> TwistedFate: I just wish the license issues of zfs could be sorted out.
13:09 < TwistedFate> oiaohm: damn it, which FS to pick :( I really wanted ZFS but after reading people's comments here, I have to say that I am turned down by the complexity :(
13:10 < lukey> TwistedFate: What features are important to you?
13:10 < hexnewbie> oiaohm: Well, didn't they make ZFS completely proprietary now? On the ground that it worked, unlike their other project...
13:11 < zhangxaochen> I'm trying to "sudo ./install.sh -i" a lib, which give me ERROR MSG: "/bin/sh: 0: Illegal option -"
13:11 < TwistedFate> lukey: performance, data integrity, snapshots, huge data pool that can be shared with other partitions
13:11 < ayecee> zhangxaochen: what's the -i for?
13:12 < zhangxaochen> the text of the install.sh file is : http://codepad.org/nmZP8s2B
13:12 < cyberbob> hexnewbie: thanks for the options :)
13:12 < ice9> how to list the number of opened network connections of a process? netstat or something else?
13:12 < zhangxaochen> ayecee, -i == --install
13:13 < hexnewbie> zhangxaochen: What distro are you on? Your /bin/sh appears to be neither bash nor dash
13:13 < zhangxaochen> I googled it, seems to be an old problem, but I dont get the right answer ~( ＞﹏＜)
13:13 < zhangxaochen> hexnewbie, I'm using ubuntu 16.04, and
13:13 < trae32566[w]> well I mean ... if it's /bin/sh it should be shell...
13:14 < zhangxaochen> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 11月 19  2016 /bin/sh -> dash
13:14 < trae32566[w]> could be anything though
13:14 < hexnewbie> zhangxaochen: dpkg -S "$(readlink -f /bin/sh)"
13:14 < ayecee> zhangxaochen: i wonder if this would work - sudo sh ./install.sh -i
13:15 < zhangxaochen> ayecee, no. I've tried it
13:15 < ayecee> i see
13:15 < hexnewbie> zhangxaochen: Did you try: sudo bash ./install.sh -i
13:15 < trae32566[w]> that's a pretty poorly written script :/
13:16 < zhangxaochen> hexnewbie, dpkg -S "$(readlink -f /bin/sh)" outputs: dash: /bin/dash
13:17 < zhangxaochen> sudo bash ./install.sh -i ouputs: "./install.sh: line 2: $'\r': command not found
13:17 < zhangxaochen> "
13:17 < zhangxaochen> hexnewbie, ^
13:17 < lukey> TwistedFate: Then I'd go with btrfs on LVM. ZFS needs beefy Hardware to perform well.
13:17 < ayecee> was this script copied and pasted into a text editor in windows?
13:18 < oiaohm> hexnewbie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS  yep version 6 of ZFS has not had FOSS release.
13:18 < trae32566[w]> zhangxaochen: try dos2unix on the file first.
13:18 < trae32566[w]> https://linux.die.net/man/1/dos2unix
13:18 < trae32566[w]> smh
13:19 < lukey> TwistedFate: Or mix different Filesystems on a LVM thin-pool. Like ext4 for Databases and VM-Images (or put those directly on LVM) and btrfs for everything else.
13:20 < femboyfoxbulge> test
13:20 < trae32566[w]> I wouldn't suggest BTRFS depending on distro
13:20 < trae32566[w]> if you notice, RHEL is dropping BTRFS support in RHEL 8 officially
13:21 < hexnewbie> zhangxaochen: Aside from the possibility of the need for dos2unix as trae32566[w] suggests, I can't possibly see how that error would come of that script. Even with wrong newlines, I don't see it came up with it
13:21 < trae32566[w]> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Stratis-Red-Hat-Project
13:21 < junka> ext2 for the win
13:22 < trae32566[w]> please don't say that
13:22 < junka> isnt that blog site banned
13:22 < trae32566[w]> is it?
13:22 < ananke> banned where?
13:22 < junka> /r/linux
13:22 < ananke> this isn't /r/linux
13:22 < hexnewbie> oiaohm: Keeping their crown jewel proprietary, while Btrfs is lagging behind. Really helpful :)
13:22 < junka> ohh..
13:22 < lukey> trae32566[w]: Yes btrfs didn't work out for them
13:25 < oiaohm> Redhat has been pushing the lvm+xfs hybrid for a very long time.
13:25 < zhangxaochen> hexnewbie, trae32566[w] does it have something to do with I installed zsh?
13:25 < oiaohm> Btrfs in redhat enterprise never got out of tech preview.
13:25 < lukey> IMHO LVM is the best filesystem :P
13:25 < trae32566[w]> ...it's not a filesystem.
13:25 < trae32566[w]> .-.
13:25 < lukey> I know
13:26 < hexnewbie> zhangxaochen: It shouldn't. But $'\r' is bash syntax I don't see in that script, and I don't see that script calling anything in $SCRIPT_DIR or current directory.
13:26 < femboyfoxbulge> IMHO Xfs is the best file system :P
13:26 < trae32566[w]> that is a hell of a name.
13:26 < dgurney> there is no best filesystem
13:26 < femboyfoxbulge> dgurney: Agreed, but there's certainly runts of the litter
13:26 < hexnewbie> We should make one called just that, and there will be.
13:26 < junka> i vote for f2fs
13:27 < zhangxaochen> I'm try to following this tutorial: https://github.com/cjcase/openGeppetto/wiki/Installing-OpenNI-on-Ubuntu
13:27 < TwistedFate> is XFS any good?
13:27 < femboyfoxbulge> Give me one valid reason why anyone should use Jfs
13:27 < TwistedFate> How is it compared to ZFS and BTRFS?
13:27 < zhangxaochen> this error gets me fucked...
13:27 < trae32566[w]> or rfs
13:27 < trae32566[w]> <.<
13:27 < ananke> zhangxaochen: watch your language
13:27 < zhangxaochen> ananke, .... no offend
13:28 < zhangxaochen> exhausted
13:28 < hexnewbie> TwistedFate: Probably faster than either of those (coming from someone who used to dislike XFS performance on many small writes back in the day)
13:29 < TwistedFate> hexnewbie: Ohh, I like the sound of that.. So XFS has better performance hmmm..
13:29 < hexnewbie> femboyfoxbulge: You want to dual boot GNU/Linux and eComStation?
13:29 < oiaohm> https://lwn.net/Articles/747633/   This could also explain why redhat is drop btrfs with xfs planing to grow some more features.
13:30 < femboyfoxbulge> btrfs just didn't get here fast enough I guess
13:30 < hexnewbie> Or is it ArcaOS now? I lost track of where that was going
13:30 < ananke> redhat is also introducing vdo in rhel 7.5, which is a block layer deduplication, not specific to any filesystem type
13:32 < pepermuntjes> ananke, watch your language
13:32 < TwistedFate> lol
13:32 < trae32566[w]> why do I feel that comment won't end well .-.
13:33 < hexnewbie> The real determining factor should be, was the fence computer in Jurassic Park using XFS underneath, and if yes, yes, you should definitely use it as your main FS
13:34 < pepermuntjes> rhel/centos has been using xfs as default since version 7
13:34 < femboyfoxbulge> that's amazing logic
13:34 < femboyfoxbulge> but with one major flaw, it's not considering which filesystems are supported in ponyos
13:36 < TwistedFate> what are the main highlights for XFS? i don't know much about it
13:36 < Celelibi> Hey guys. What would be the most lightweight way to have a program interact with the GUI of another program. No need to get a visual output. Let's assume there's no X server currently running.
13:36 < Li> https://pastebin.com/DckD1kPP can anyone suggest why the dd(ing) the first archlinux file to (the same) usb stick is bootable while (on same old hp desktop) while the rest are not bootable and cause strange behavior of usb ports disable!?
13:36 < Celelibi> Kinda like interacting with the stdin/stdout, but for GUI.
13:36 < hexnewbie> Celelibi: Get a X server running, and use XTest
13:37 < Celelibi> A full X server? That's not very "lightweight".
13:37 < hexnewbie> LOL
13:39 < femboyfoxbulge> TwistedFate: It's pretty similiar to ext4 but generally performs better and can hold much bigger filesizes
13:39 < zhangxaochen> I figured it out.. I'm using vscode on linux for editing, which defaults the line endings to CRLF
13:39 < lukey> Celelibi: There's Xvfb
13:39 < bipul> What is the correct way to update .ssh/known_hosts ?
13:39 < zhangxaochen> thank u hexnewbie trae32566[w] ananke :)
13:39 < Celelibi> lukey, that looks promising.
13:40 < trae32566[w]> femboyfoxbulge: why do you have that nick xD
13:40 < femboyfoxbulge> trae32566[w]: Ehh, why not man. That's the real question UwU
13:40 < bipul> What is the correct way to update .ssh/known_hosts file? I 'm getting this message while connecting via ssh "Host key verification failed."
13:40 < hexnewbie> TwistedFate: And is much nicer when you have billions of files (i.e. actually works). And you don't have to wait extensive fsck times. And is used in Jurassic Park.
13:41 < trae32566[w]> bipul: ssh-keygen -R <hostname_or_ip>
13:41 < hexnewbie> bipul: First, make sure someone isn't trying to pull a man-in-the-middle attack on you (i.e. you actually know the key of the remote host changed, and why)
13:41 < trae32566[w]> well yeah, that too obviously.
13:42 < TwistedFate> ah, thanks femboyfoxbulge hexnewbie
13:42 < trae32566[w]> femboyfoxbulge: I mean ... alright, just interesting choice is all xD
13:42 < lubkad> test
13:42 < trae32566[w]> es
13:42 < bipul> hexnewbie, What kind of key i should know about the remote host?
13:43 < hexnewbie> bipul: SSH knows the key, and inspects it, not you (although you can manually inspect the fingerprint or the picture associated with it if you're into that kind of thing)
13:44 < hexnewbie> bipul: It warns you that it is different from the one it knew previously (probably why ‘Host key verification faileð’, although there could be other reasons)
13:45 < junka> dat d
13:45 < hexnewbie> bipul: If you didn't change the key (or the whole machine, or similar), it may mean someone is trying to intercept your connection (very unlikely scenario, but that's what SSH remembers keys for)
13:45 < trae32566[w]> or if the IP or hostname changed
13:47 < MarkusDBX> if I want some kind if distrubted filesystem to run on a kubernetes r-pi cluster, what should I use? Any ideas?
13:47 < bipul> Okay thank you hexnewbie
13:47 < MarkusDBX> goal: having really important data synced across the nodes at all times.
13:47 < lukey> MarkusDBX: Had good performance with DRBD on low-end hardware
13:48 < hexnewbie> It's weird that I undervalue manual key inspection, but the week before the Debian key randomness debacle happened, my boss had me generate new keys for 5-10 machines, and I could swear two of them looked similar as I had a déjà vu when generating like the 7th.
13:49 < hexnewbie> I was genuinely freaked out when a week later I learned the keys *were* predictably similar
13:51 < femboyfoxbulge> Man...I woke up at 4:20AM. I can't get back to sleep
13:51 < MarkusDBX> lukey: find zfs is nice, but I guess that needs ecc
13:51 < ananke> lukey: but drbd is not a filesystem
13:51 < lukey> femboyfoxbulge: I don't think IRC will help you with sleeping :)
13:51 < ananke> MarkusDBX: glusterfs may be lightweight enough
13:52 < trae32566[w]> femboyfoxbulge: good timing is what I'd call that.
13:53 < lukey> ananke: If you use it in active-active mode with GFS2 or OCFS
13:53 < femboyfoxbulge> I don't have any cigs right now though
13:53 < MarkusDBX> ananke: goal is to use 6-rpis as a raid 6 almost.
13:53 < MarkusDBX> ananke: dual parity,
13:53 < lukey> MarkusDBX: then go for Glusterfs
13:53 < ananke> lukey: yes, it requires a distributed filesystem on top of it
13:54 < MarkusDBX> ananke: I guess you can set the mirroring levels with gluster
13:54 < lukey> MarkusDBX: But don't expect good performance
13:54 < trae32566[w]> femboyfoxbulge: vape? iunno.
13:54 < lukey> MarkusDBX: Gluster supports erasure coding
13:54 < MarkusDBX> lukey: I expect crappy performace..
13:54 < MarkusDBX> lukey: I want this setup for really important stuff.
13:54 < ananke> rpis have a crappy I/O as it stands. now you're adding redundancy overhead on top of it
13:55 < trae32566[w]> ^
13:55 < trae32566[w]> MarkusDBX: that's a bad idea
13:55 < trae32566[w]> they're not designed for throughput or storage..
13:55 < MarkusDBX> trae32566[w]: tell me more
13:55 < MarkusDBX> trae32566[w]: I know
13:55 < MarkusDBX> I got a SAN as well =) with zfs
13:56 < MarkusDBX> this setup will be for low-intensity storage, but stuff that is important to keep
13:56 < MarkusDBX> if it's just 1MB/sec, that is fine =)
13:56 < hexnewbie> Run backups instead of redundancy
13:56 < MarkusDBX> hexnewbie: true, but this is not my question here
13:57 < lukey> I used Gluster to RAID my Old Computers and HDDs together, works pretty good
13:57 < MarkusDBX> ok, so I share my application too...  storage for home automation, cameras and such.
13:57 < ananke> redundancy is not much of use, if it's barely available
13:57 < MarkusDBX> should be low power, and redundant..
13:59 < MarkusDBX> I use a cluster of 6rpi, two power sources. two switches
13:59 < MarkusDBX> reason for rpi, is the low power usage whilst power goes out.
14:00 < lukey> MarkusDBX: "..cameras.." probably too slow for that
14:00 < MarkusDBX> lukey: network cameras compress heavily
14:02 < lukey> MarkusDBX: Time to try then...
14:03 < MarkusDBX> gluster it is.. thanks!
14:05 < kazdax> how can i use sed to show the 5th line of /etc/passwd
14:05 < kazdax> ?
14:06 < debikad> use awk
14:06 < rumpel> kazdax, tail / head  might be easier
14:06 < netham47> Is NFS's idea to rely on physical security to prevent LAN connections?
14:06 < trae32566[w]> ...what?
14:07 < kazdax> yes i know how to do it with tail and head
14:07 < kazdax> but its a question in my tutorial
14:07 < rumpel> kazdax, cat stuff | head -n 5 | tail -n 1
14:07 < rumpel> kazdax, ah, homework :D
14:07 < kazdax> not really from school..its something i am learning on my self
14:07 < kazdax> perhaps i dont even need to do it
14:07 < netham47> trae32566[w], set up an NFS share, it's got the remote hosts whitelisted but it's not exactly hard to spoof an IP address on a local network, was wondering if that was how NFS relies on security or if I'm missing something major.
14:07 < kazdax> since its not needed
14:07 < netham47> Never really played with NFS in specific before.
14:08 < kazdax> since head and tail can do it ..in practical situation
14:08 < kazdax> ill just skip it then
14:08 < netham47> I never had to set up any usernames/passwords. I guess NFS could be using my shared SSH keys but that seems like it'd be odd.
14:19 < oiaohm>   TwistedFate:  XFS is a very old file system  https://lwn.net/Articles/747633/  But with this where it looking like it going to grow subvolume support while only using copy on write data things could get very interesting.   Its the copy on write meta data and other things that cause zfs and btrfs to go south.
14:19 < tunekey> sudo echo "alias shred="shred -fuz""
14:20 < tunekey> how would i do this differentiating the quotes in the command from ending the echo?
14:21 < karthyk> use quote inside a quote
14:21 < tunekey> i think in sed i do a \ before a / for example
14:21 < loganlee> hello guys
14:21 < tunekey> karthyk, but it only sees "alias shred="
14:21 < nemesys> henlo
14:21 < loganlee> hey nemesys do you like hans?
14:22 < nemesys> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_(name)
14:22 < nemesys> i dont know what is hans
14:22 < loganlee> hans reiser
14:23 < nemesys> Hans Thomas Reiser is an American convicted murderer, computer programmer, and entrepreneur.
14:23 < lukey> tunekey: echo "alias shred=\"shred -fuz\""
14:23 < trae32566[w]> reiser, the RFS guy?
14:23 < trae32566[w]> ew
14:23 < TaZeR> theres just so many programs with so many command line arguments able to do so many things working together its amazzzingg
14:24  * TaZeR mind blown
14:25 < lukey> TaZeR: Yep, I once did compression on a cluster using a single gnu paralell command line
14:42 < kazdax> does grep always search within a file ?
14:43 < djph> kazdax: or stdin if you pipe to it.
14:43 < kazdax> k
14:45 < kazdax> use grep to show the names of all files in /etc that have lines starting with root
14:45 < kazdax> find | grep '^root'
14:45 < kazdax> ?
14:46 < fendur> man grep will be a better start
14:46 < trae32566[w]> are you trying to cheat on a test with us?
14:46 < kazdax> thanks indeed
14:46 < kazdax> haha no not at all
14:46 < trae32566[w]> :V
14:46 < oerheks> trae32566[w], homework :-D
14:46 < kazdax> everyone in here knows my situation
14:46 < kazdax> i am self studying
14:46 < kazdax> atleast everyone here who has been active for the past 4 days
14:46 < kazdax> including psi-jack and xamithan
14:46 < kazdax> ozymandias even
14:47 < kazdax> no worries but if i get stuck trying to achive it
14:47 < kazdax> i will refer back here
14:47 < kazdax> man grep is the right thing to do
14:47 < trae32566[w]> I've been in here, just not paying attention :P
14:47 < kazdax> i need to get used to man pages
14:48 < fendur> kazdax++
14:49 < loganlee> ^root is correct
14:50 < kazdax> thank you
14:50 < loganlee> np
14:51 < z3r0sTr3sS> salve quialcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
14:51 < nemesys> che pasa amici
14:51 < nemesys> dimmi
14:52 < z3r0sTr3sS> allora dopo l'installazione di chromium mi sono apparsi due volumi di 145 MB
14:52 < z3r0sTr3sS> achese li smonto rimangono sul mio desktpo
14:52 < z3r0sTr3sS> desktop
14:53 < z3r0sTr3sS> ho provato a disinstallare chromium ma essi rimangono
14:53 < z3r0sTr3sS> qualche idea?
14:54 < nemesys> did you want to remove chromium ? z3r0sTr3sS
14:54 < nemesys> use translator if you can
14:54 < z3r0sTr3sS> yes i tryed but the volumes don't dissapear
14:54 < nemesys> i understand
14:55 < nemesys> install bleachbit
14:55 < z3r0sTr3sS> after?
14:55 < nemesys> clean with it
14:55 < nemesys> you know bleachbit?
14:55 < z3r0sTr3sS> ok i try
14:55 < z3r0sTr3sS> nope
14:55 < nemesys> learn how to
14:55 < nemesys> is easy
14:56 < z3r0sTr3sS> yes is intuitive
14:57 < z3r0sTr3sS> i think is not necessary search in the net
14:58 < z3r0sTr3sS> mhh..the bleachbit say me the chromium is open but is closed
14:59 < nemesys> do this
14:59 < nemesys> killall chromium
14:59 < z3r0sTr3sS> i resolve with gesture of process
14:59 < nemesys> yeah
15:00 < nemesys> what distro do you use?
15:00 < nemesys> arch, ubuntu fedora ?
15:00 < makuuk> hello :)
15:00 < nemesys> o/
15:01 < z3r0sTr3sS> 2 errorrs in bleachbit
15:01 < z3r0sTr3sS> xubuntu
15:01 < nemesys> is normal
15:01 < z3r0sTr3sS> i use this distro a few long time and
15:01 < z3r0sTr3sS>     raise RuntimeError('%s is version %d' % (path, ver))
15:02 < nemesys> https://askubuntu.com/questions/594506/how-to-remove-chromium-browser-settings-from-ubuntu-14-04
15:02 < nemesys> https://askubuntu.com/questions/594506/how-to-remove-chromium-browser-settings-from-ubuntu-14-04/594516
15:02 < nemesys> lol is the same
15:02 < nemesys> look there
15:03 < z3r0sTr3sS> i tryed but the second volume don't dissapear
15:03 < z3r0sTr3sS> is very strange
15:03 < nemesys> maybe what you need use gparted? z3r0sTr3sS
15:03 < nemesys> sorry me english
15:04 < nemesys> maybe you need use gparted
15:04 < z3r0sTr3sS> i tryed with gparted
15:04 < z3r0sTr3sS> but don't see nothing about this volume
15:04 < nemesys> i understand
15:04 < z3r0sTr3sS> gpsarted don't read that volume
15:04 < introom> anyone here used snap? (snapcraft.io)
15:04 < introom> how does it feel?
15:04 < nemesys> lets hope someone with more knowledge tell us
15:05 < z3r0sTr3sS> i reboot and i hope the volume dissapear
15:09 < z3r0sTr3sS> i revolved thx
15:09 < z3r0sTr3sS> :D
15:17 < kazdax> okay i amin /etc directory
15:17 < kazdax> andi am searching for all files with lines starting with root in it
15:17 < kazdax> string 'root' in it
15:17 < kazdax> i do a grep '^root' and its not displaying any output
15:17  * jack_rip_vim o/
15:18 < kazdax> what if use -G
15:18 < kazdax> i tried that
15:18 < kazdax> since ^root is a regular expression
15:18 < jack_rip_vim> grep what?
15:19 < kazdax> the current directory
15:19 < jack_rip_vim> do you try ls|grep *root
15:19 < jack_rip_vim> ?
15:19 < kazdax> yes
15:19 < jack_rip_vim> didn't show up?
15:19 < kazdax> i did ls | grep ^root
15:19 < kazdax> instead of *root
15:19 < kazdax> let me try that
15:20 < kazdax> nope nothing shows up
15:20 < femboyfoxbulge> how many of you wear fedoras
15:20 < jack_rip_vim> ls root
15:20 < jack_rip_vim> try this command
15:20 < jack_rip_vim> or ls *root
15:20 < kazdax> the specification is to use grep ...from the book
15:21 < kazdax> and i am suppose to search for text pattern matching in files
15:21 < kazdax> that need to display the file name
15:21 < jack_rip_vim> so cat bookname| grep *root?
15:21 < kazdax> no
15:22 < kazdax> i thought
15:22 < jack_rip_vim> kazdax: you want to grep the file or the text in the book?
15:22 < fendur> grep can read files itself. Your original question was about identifying files with at least one line matching "^root". grep can do that all by itself.
15:22 < kazdax> i want to show all the fiels that start with the text root
15:22 < kazdax> yes
15:22 < kazdax> so
15:22 < jack_rip_vim> grep root*
15:22 < kazdax> i used grep '^root'
15:22 < kazdax> was that wrong ?
15:23 < fendur> kazdax: you have to specify the files to search
15:23 < jack_rip_vim> start with root*
15:23 < fendur> kazdax: so you're close
15:23 < kazdax> can i tell it to search a directory and all files in it ?
15:23 < fendur> jack_rip_vim: I think he has the correct regex
15:23 < fendur> kazdax: yes. that's why I pointed you to man grep. I should have, like someone else did, expressed that the regex was right.
15:24 < jack_rip_vim> find /path/ -name [name]
15:24 < kazdax> grep '^root' /etc/* 2> /dev/null
15:24 < kazdax> that worked i think
15:25 < fendur> the redirection isn't necessary, but maybe it helps. I'm guessing you got that from google.
15:25 < kazdax> from the tutorial i am reading
15:25 < kazdax> it shows me that some files are directory and cant read it
15:26 < kazdax> so to make it not show me the warning or error
15:26 < fendur> I see.
15:26 < kazdax> i redirect it to dev/null
15:26 < kazdax> that worked by the way fedura
15:26 < kazdax> i am getting the hang of this
15:26 < fendur> kazdax: now go back and look at the usage in man grep to learn why. It will help you understand man files.
15:27 < kazdax> yea
15:27 < kazdax> ya i see it
15:27 < kazdax> grep [OPTIONS] PATTERN [FILE...]
15:27 < fendur> yes.
15:27 < kazdax> i missed mentioning file
15:27 < fendur> right on.
15:28 < kazdax> now i see the usefullness of man pages
15:28 < kazdax> okay last question ..then i am onto other topics ..br
15:31 < fendur> DWM is the best thing to happen to X since X
15:32 < jack_rip_vim> how about fvwm
15:32 < fendur> I don't know.
15:32 < jack_rip_vim> or openbox
15:32 < fendur> suckless was thinking of me when they designed dwm
15:32 < hetii> Could someone repaste answer on my question that was posted at  around 11h31 to my priv ?
15:33 < hetii> I have limited history buffer and don`t see it...
15:33 < jack_rip_vim> hetii what is the question?
15:33 < fendur> hetii: tz?
15:33 < hetii> I have such script: https://pastebin.ca/4017403 that use namespaces. The point is that from host I want to be able to telnet to service that bind inside ns2 so 11.11.11.2
15:34 < hetii> so on ns2 I run nc -l -p 1234 and on host: telnet 10.10.10.2 1234
15:34 < hetii> I found similar issue here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/257510/port-forwarding-to-application-in-network-namespace-with-vpn
15:34 < hetii> and soultion was done by socat
15:35 < hetii> so it is means that I cannot do DNAT/SNAT inside namespace?
15:35 < fendur> I don't see anyone answering you by nick.
15:35 < hetii> mawk give me a tip that someone answer on my question at this time.
15:35 < hetii> but now he is off probably.
15:44 < jack_rip_vim> hi BluesKaj
15:44 < BluesKaj> Hi jack_rip_vim
15:44 < jack_rip_vim> :)
15:51 < TwistedFate> Hello, what is the best way to burn .iso files to USB? dd doesn't work for me :/
15:52 < jack_rip_vim> dd bs=4M if=/path/to/iso of=/path/to/dev
15:52 < BluesKaj> TwistedFate,dd works , just make sure the target device is unmounted before using dd
15:52 < SporkWitch> TwistedFate: if you mean to make a bootable USB, https://lmgtfy.com/?q=create+bootable+usb
15:53 < ananke> TwistedFate: define 'doesn't work'. what are the symptoms/errors?
15:53 < TwistedFate> BluesKaj, I tried it now multiple times and it didn't work. It burned the .iso to USB drive but it's not bootable..
15:53 < TwistedFate> I can see it in BIOS too, but instead of having a little drive icon, it has a floppy disk icon..
15:53 < jack_rip_vim> check the dev if it isn't /dev/sdbx
15:54 < BluesKaj> TwistedFate, can you see the data on the usb in afile manager?
15:54 < TwistedFate> it's /dev/sdd
15:54 < TwistedFate> BluesKaj, yes, I can.
15:55 < ananke> TwistedFate: it may not be a bootable iso
15:55 < BluesKaj> TwistedFate, how old is your pc, maybe it can't boot form usB
15:55 < TwistedFate> BluesKaj, It's from 2016, it can boot from USB
15:55 < revel> TwistedFate: Run `file` on the iso image, what does it say?
15:55 < TwistedFate> ananke, It is a bootable iso, I used this distro before, just an older version. + it boots in Virtualbox
15:56 < triceratux> TwistedFate: classicall iso9660 images dont copy directly to flashdrives. they have to be preprocessed by this marvellous program called isohybrid which makes use of some available space to fool the system into thinking its a bootable disk as well as a bootable iso. most distros have finally taken the step of ensuring their ISOs are isohybrid but not all have
15:56 < BluesKaj> ok, then ananke is probly right, the iso isn't bootable
15:56 < revel> Yeah, what triceratux said.
15:56 < jack_rip_vim> hi, all of your guys
15:56 < SporkWitch> all of which would be quickly answered and handled by the lmgtfy link posted :)
15:56 < ananke> TwistedFate: just because it's bootable as a cdrom device, doesn't mean it can be booted via usb. process of elimination: try another ISO
15:57 < TwistedFate> revel, /usr/local/storage/Preuzimanje/systemrescuecd-x86-5.2.2.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'sysrcd-5.2.2' (bootable)
15:57 < revel> Yes, exactly what triceratux said.
15:57 < revel> Run isohybrid on it.
15:57 < CyberfirePY> (　-_･) ︻デ═一' * (/❛o❛)/
15:57 < CyberfirePY> (　-_･) ︻デ═一' * (/❛o❛)/
15:57 < CyberfirePY> (　-_･) ︻デ═一' * (/❛o❛)/
15:57 < CyberfirePY> (　-_･) ︻デ═一' * (/❛o❛)/
15:57 < jack_rip_vim> o_o
15:58 < TwistedFate> ananke, i tried another ISO and it booted
15:58 < dgurney> I wonder why the systemrescuecd isn't hybrid by defaultr
15:58 < revel> TwistedFate: Run isohybrid on it...
15:58 < TwistedFate> revel, i don't understand what you mean
15:58 < triceratux> TwistedFate: theres situations where this unabashed kludge doesnt always work http://en.community.dell.com/techcenter/b/techcenter/archive/2012/02/29/hybrid-iso-images-on-dell-servers its up to you to do the quality assurance
15:58 < revel> `isohybrid systemrescue*`
15:59 < _CrustY> hi everyone. How can I get what framebuffer driver is currently used? Thanks
16:00 < TwistedFate> revel, bash: isohybrid: command not found
16:00 < ayecee> durr
16:01 < ayecee> i'm trying to run a command, and it says command not found. what do i do?
16:01 < revel> Install it then
16:01 < jack_rip_vim> yeah
16:01 < ayecee> thank you revel, you are teh smart!
16:01 < revel> lol
16:01 < TwistedFate> apt-cache search shows nothing :/
16:01 < revel> apt-file search bin/isohybrid
16:01 < jack_rip_vim> \o/
16:02 < _CrustY> Ok finally googled it
16:02 < _CrustY> sry
16:03 < triceratux> TwistedFate: isohybrid is part of syslinux
16:03 < ananke> TwistedFate: the fact that you tried another iso and it booted should tell you that your approach is correct, while the iso is the problem
16:05 < TwistedFate> ananke, can i make this iso to be hybrid?
16:06 < jack_rip_vim> blow TotalOblivion up
16:10 < triceratux> extonos 18.4 lxqt is sooo kewl. kernel patched for spectre / meltdown, current xorg & firefox, lxqt 0.12.0, falkon 3.0, plus a systemd related bug in the dns that keeps the system from working for a few hours & lets you learn something & gripe all the way to the google prompt ;) https://sourceforge.net/projects/extix/files/?source=navbar
16:10 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: new os?
16:11 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: I heard windows gives up DOS and join Linux's arm
16:12 < femboyfoxbulge> triceratux: What's so special abour that distro?
16:12 < femboyfoxbulge> Is it based on something
16:12 < triceratux> jack_rip_vim: its been around for a long time. he does close to the best version of lxqt. it hasnt really taken off yet. this weeks release has a 4.16.2 kernel which is pretty good for a stock iso
16:12 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: sound good
16:13 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: I am debugging my os, may come out soon
16:13 < triceratux> snugger: yep its based on ubuntu / debian with gnome3 removed & lxqt properly installed. its the os of the future http://www.extix.se/?p=393
16:13 < dgurney> is "kernel patched for spectre / meltdown" really a selling point now? I mean, haven't most distros also dealt with it by now?
16:14 < snugger> triceratux: If it uses the apt package manager I hope it's not the OS of the future
16:14 < triceratux> dgurney: the patches in 4.15 arent complete apparently
16:14 < triceratux> snugger: j/k. swagarch is the os of the future :)
16:14 < dgurney> maybe not, but it still has retpoline and pti
16:15 < snugger> If it uses the pacman package manager I hope it's not the OS of the future
16:16 < triceratux> jack_rip_vim: m$ had no choice. theyre going to have to get with it http://linuxgizmos.com/why-microsoft-chose-linux-for-azure-sphere/
16:16 < oerheks> 4.15 is EOL, 4.16 is patched fully .. http://news.softpedia.com/news/linux-kernel-4-15-reached-end-of-life-users-urged-to-move-to-linux-4-16-now-520787.shtml
16:16 < w00dsman> that was quick
16:16 < triceratux> ^^ ftw
16:16 < oerheks> But i guess you want a new CPU
16:17 < emx> i experience the following issue with a samba share: when i create a file in openoffice and try to save it to that share, the file is created but ooffice tells me after 2 minutes or so that there is an io error. what is causing this issue? ooffice? samba? solar winds?
16:17 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: I wander why they didn't choose bsd
16:17 < snugger> ExTiX honestly sounds interesting
16:18 < hendrix> templeOS is the os of the future
16:18 < snugger> I've never tried deepin desktop before
16:18 < dgurney> I have, it's quite good looking
16:18 < dgurney> also nice to use
16:18 < snugger> If I can get used to apt again I might just install it
16:18 < snugger> Updated kernels are very important to me
16:19 < kaushal> Hi
16:19 < jack_rip_vim> hi kaushal
16:19 < kaushal> I have created alias in .bash_profile. How do i use it while scp files?
16:20 < jack_rip_vim> upload or download?
16:20 < kaushal> for example when i do nagios i get connected to the remote nagios server
16:20 < kaushal> jack_rip_vim: for both
16:20 < jack_rip_vim> source .bash_profile?
16:21 < dgurney> good god, the extix site looks terrible IMO
16:21 < kaushal> jack_rip_vim: for example alias nagios='ssh -i nagios.pem centos@13.15.67.19'
16:21 < kaushal> when i do scp file1.text nagios: it does not work
16:21 < kaushal> nagios is a alias name
16:21 < snugger> Distrowatch reviews of ExTiX are extremely low
16:22 < snugger> But you can never really trust distrowatch reviewers
16:22 < kaushal> jack_rip_vim: Any clue?
16:22 < jack_rip_vim> kaushal: you can try to export the value
16:22 < kaushal> jack_rip_vim: ok
16:22 < kaushal> jack_rip_vim: How is it done?
16:22 < oerheks> snugger, review is oke, but downloads are just a click number, says nothing at all
16:22 < kaushal> so when i do $nagios i get connected to the remote nagios server
16:22 < jack_rip_vim> kaushal: export nagios = "xxxx"
16:22 < snugger> wew. uptime: 18 hours. i need to sleep
16:23 < kaushal> so let's say i want to upload or download any file to and from nagios?
16:23 < kaushal> scp file1.text nagios: it does not work
16:23 < kaushal> Am i missing anything?
16:24 < ananke> kaushal: define 'doesn't work'
16:24 < ananke> kaushal: also, you can leverage ~/.ssh/config to do your host mapping
16:24 < kaushal> ananke: ok
16:25 < kaushal> when i do scp test1.text nagios: i get ssh: Could not resolve hostname nagios: nodename nor servname provided, or not known
16:25 < kaushal> lost connection
16:25 < snugger> Anybody know what framework DDE is using? Qt?
16:25 < snugger> It's odd. It seems to be based on Qt but has GNOME apps
16:25 < kaushal> ananke: when i do $nagios at the shell prompt i am connected
16:26 < ananke> kaushal: because your '$nagios' variable doesn't hold a hostname nor ip, yet you're trying to use it as such when passing it to scp
16:26 < kaushal> ananke: ok
16:26 < kaushal> alias nagios='ssh -i nagios.pem centos@13.15.67.19' is mapped in .bash_profile
16:26 < ananke> kaushal: your best bet would be to define 'nagios' host in ~/.ssh/config, and use the 'username' and 'key' options
16:27 < ananke> kaushal: that's an alias, not a variable
16:27 < kaushal> ananke: ok
16:30 < kaushal> ananke: Thanks it worked
16:30 < rypervenche> kaushal: You should use your ~/.ssh/config for these things.
16:31 < kaushal> ananke: so i can use both .bash_profile and ~/.ssh/config?
16:31 < rypervenche> kaushal: You don't need .bash_profile (and you should be putting your aliases in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_aliases (for Debian/Ubuntu).
16:32 < kaushal> rypervenche: ok
16:34 < rypervenche> kaushal: You can put something like this in your file: http://ix.io/18mJ
16:34 < rypervenche> kaushal: Then you can use the word "server" instead of all of those options. scp file server:
16:35 < kaushal> rypervenche: ok
16:35 < kaushal> rypervenche: thanks
16:35 < rypervenche> kaushal: And it works with anything that uses SSH. scp, sftp, ssh, rsync, git, etc.
16:38 < snugger> What is your longest uptime?
16:38 < kaushal> rypervenche: Thank you so much
16:39 < dgurney> like a month
16:39 < dgurney> I don't get why it's a competition anyway
16:39 < kaushal> rypervenche: so i should use ~/.bashrc for alias and ~/.ssh/config for scp .....
16:40 < MACscr|lappy> im trying to install debian through kvm and the kvm interface is quite slow and doesnt capture my keystrokes well. i need to destroy the existing mdadm arrays, partitions, etc and setup a new raid 10 array. Ive decided to simply write a bash script remotely, then wget it to the server so i can just run it without having to worry about typing everything perfectly. Anyway, system doesnt have parted. Advice for what i can use
16:40 < MACscr|lappy>  to automatically create a partition on a drive non interactively that uses the whole space? parted isnt available
16:40 < MACscr|lappy> they are 2tb disks if it makes a diff
16:44 < rypervenche> kaushal: You don't need an alias in this case.
16:44 < rypervenche> kaushal: Unless for you "ssh server" is too long and you want something even shorter. But using "ssh server" gives you flexibility to be able to add other options adhoc.
16:57 < Dagmar> MACscr: Of course parted is available because it's debian
16:58 < Dagmar> MACscr: You can also do the _sensible_ thing and provision your disks as LVM lv's created by the host machine
16:59 < MACscr|lappy> Dagmar i ensure you, parted isnt available when i go to the shell during the install
17:00 < MACscr|lappy> maybe it has something to do with the preseeder that foreman provides
17:03 < superkuh> Bah. systemd strikes again. You can't set per interface ipv4 forwarding.
17:03 < Psi-Jack> superkuh: Sure you can.
17:06 < Psi-Jack> And it has /nothing/ to do with systemd either.
17:06 < superkuh> Until systemd eats everything ala systemd-networkd
17:07 < rumpel> systemd-eattheworld
17:07 < snugger> systemd is bloated, but it's stable and works
17:07 < snugger> And it has some great features
17:07 < superkuh> I was setting up a 56k 915 MHz wireless link using USB telemetry dongles between my home and laptop. Got the SLIP connection working fine. Then I went to set up ip forwarding to share home's internet connection.
17:07 < snugger> But I'd much prefer an openrc aproach....
17:08 < superkuh> Wanted it just on sl0.
17:08 < konrados> Hi. In this command - `chmod -R g+rw` I know  it changes cur dir permissions recursively, adding 'read' and 'write' permissions, but to whom? Current user? And what is this `g+`?
17:08 < SuperSeriousCat> Sure you got it enabled in kernel, superkuh?
17:08 < Psi-Jack> So... A very ... unusual, non-standard, jumping-through-hoops setup, and you blame systemd? Typical.
17:09 < superkuh> Ah, a very bend-over backwards, blame everything but the problem systemd defended. Typical.
17:09 < superkuh> Er, defender.
17:10 < SuperSeriousCat> No one is forcing you to use systemd
17:10 < superkuh> True.
17:10 < SuperSeriousCat> I dont. Dont really miss it
17:10 < superkuh> It is pretty hard to avoid it but I should go out of my way.
17:10 < qman> systemd stable - haha, good one
17:11 < hangint3n> I think I'll stick with openrc. It always works for me.
17:11 < rumpel> systemd solved pretty much every problem just like that
17:12 < qman> how about the problem where it freezes on boot when there's a malfunctioning driver, and there's nothing you can do about it?
17:12 < qman> no break, no override, no options to bypass
17:12 < superkuh> It was a mistake to start this one up.
17:12 < qman> systemd has benefits but stability is not one of them
17:13 < Psi-Jack> qman: Sure is.
17:13 < qman> anyone who has used it in production knows this
17:13 < Psi-Jack> qman: All of my servers, personal, and professional, are using systemd.
17:14 < qman> inconsistent and bizarre problems have plagued it since the beginning
17:14 < qman> just have a look at the redhat bug tracking
17:14 < Psi-Jack> I've seen no inconsistent, nor bizarre problems relating to systemd at all.
17:15 < triceratux> systemd generally provides the means to override its own bugs like the dns resolver. you just have to know where the stuff is & how to cut it in. all better
17:15 < qman> and that's not even starting on the severe security problems they've caused
17:18 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Interesting. 3 CVE's regarding systemd. All solved, score's not that high, last one, over a year ago.
17:18 < Psi-Jack> 7.2 highest score. 0 RCEs.
17:19 < azarus> Psi-Jack: you're arguments reek of "works for me(TM)"
17:20 < Psi-Jack> No, my arguments are based purely on facts.
17:20 < Psi-Jack> Not heresay, ignorance, unwarranted hate.
17:20 < azarus> Go and have fun with writing your oh-so-pretty .service file
17:20 < azarus> files*
17:21 < Psi-Jack> I will. And I will continue making the big bucks too. :)
17:21  * triceratux waits 90sec or for an unlimited time if necessary
17:22 < P_B> lol.
17:22 < P_B> I always thought it'd be an emacs vs vim thing that started the sectarian violence here that escalated into a war that devastated a million worlds. Turns out it was systemd.
17:22 < ananke> azarus: you're actually pointing out one of the benefits of systemd: service files. no longer one has to write full logic in an init script
17:23 < azarus> ananke: true. but I don't mind the logic in init scripts.
17:23 < hexnewbie> I'll start liking systemd when it stops hanging the whole system, leaving it unbootable afterwards
17:23 < triceratux> systemd is a metatechnology. its not enough to figure out why its broken. you also have to figure out why the devs think it isnt broken
17:24 < ananke> azarus: most people don't care for that, and prefer the uniform approach
17:24 < azarus> I also might look into systemd if it stops hanging on shutdown "Waiting for user session (blabla)", like, what the hell. I want to turn my machine off
17:24 < hexnewbie> Well, figuring out why all your services are failing with ‘file already exists’ is easy - just strace PID 1 and figure out *which* file already exists.
17:25 < hexnewbie> I mean, there's absolutely NO POINT in putting such information in the actual error message, amirite?
17:25 < xandroid52> how can i edit linux kernel?
17:25 < azarus> Also, taking an eternity to boot if my machine doesn't get a DHCP lease is agony!
17:25 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: Vim if you're an advanced user, or nano if you're a beginner? Maybe?
17:25 < triceratux> xandroid52: 1. acquire the source. 2. edit it. 3. profit
17:26 < CaptainN> you can use windows notepad to edit it as well
17:26 < dell00> xandroid: `cd /usr/src` `git clone https://github.com/torvalds/linux` `cd linux`
17:26 < dell00> And there you go.
17:26 < xandroid52> Thank you, im newbie but fast learner,  ps i dont know how to use git, dont suicide me ok?
17:26 < ananke> xandroid52: perhaps you should start by telling us what you consider 'editing linux kernel'
17:26 < dell00> Probably configuring it via menuconfig.
17:27 < dell00> xandroid: or... are you trying to modify the source code?
17:27 < xandroid52> ananke, im not talking about making a distro, im talking about make a linux version, i was told that you can make your own linux version
17:27 < ananke> dell00: instead of guessing and providing random advice, perhaps simply ask first
17:28 < ananke> xandroid52: getting warmer. what do you consider 'making your own linux version'?
17:28 < hexnewbie> You can probably change the version integers/strings with a hex editor (if you can crack the xz compression)
17:28 < azarus> hexnewbie: not needed if you can just compile it with new ones ;)
17:28 < xandroid52> ananke that, modify source code of linux
17:28 < ananke> xandroid52: or better yet, what problem are you trying to solve by doing whatever it is you're trying to do?
17:28 < xandroid52> ananke i like to know how things works
17:28 < xandroid52> how the things works*
17:29 < azarus> how things work*
17:29 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: Since what you've said so far is unclear all around, what do you consider Linux?
17:29 < xandroid52> azarus that, sorry, english is not my native language
17:29 < ananke> xandroid52: did you bother trying to do any basic research on your own?
17:29 < xandroid52> ananke, yes, i dont use this as a "solve my problems" thing
17:29 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: Care to point to a specific thing you want to change?
17:29 < xandroid52> or "teach me everything"
17:30 < ananke> xandroid52: so google for 'linux source code', and start your journey, if you truly want to learn
17:30 < xandroid52> ananke thank you very much
17:31 < xandroid52> ananke, i just ask that bc i tought that maybe there was some codes that can be edited or something... and it is easier to ask here, and have a fast answer , but i suppose that there is not such a thing like that, thank you again
17:31 < ananke> xandroid52: 'faster' means you won't learn
17:32 < xandroid52> ananke , im not so sure buddy, i do a lot of things "faster" and have good results, but i think that this is bigger, maybe this time i must go slower xd
17:33 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: Well, some questions *have* fast answers, but you have to know what you want first
17:33 < ananke> xandroid52: am not your 'buddy'
17:34 < xandroid52> ananke, sorry buddy wont happen again
17:34 < ananke> xandroid52: you clearly don't learn 'fast'
17:35 < xandroid52> ananke if you say so
17:35 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: You're asking how to edit gigabytes of source code separated into thousands of programs and packages and inconsistent yet interconnected build systems. How is anyone supposed to answer that?
17:35 < xandroid52> hexnewbie, i realize of that  3 minutes after i ask, im googling stuff right now, thanks for answering to all
17:35 < hexnewbie> Like, that's almost the same as asking ‘how do I change the world?’ Go the the park across the street, move a boulder three feet to the right, there, world changed
17:36 < xandroid52> hexnewbie my question was stupid
17:37 < hexnewbie> Not stupid, it was my first question when I got my computer. Just too unspecific.
17:38 < jack_rip_vim> change yourself
17:40 < velix> I'm using awk '/school:/,/schoolnr:/ { sub(/^[ ]{23}/, ""); print } and want to add /^school-$/d' after print. Is this possible without an additional sed or awk?
17:40 < xandroid52> hexnewbie its not the same, bc i think that i know how windows work, i manipulate windows well, but i think about linux, and i think that is far complex than windows
17:41 < hexnewbie> xandroid52: Depends on what you're looking at. I ran away from Windows partly because I found it too complicated. :)
17:41 < jack_rip_vim> DOS \o/
17:42 < xandroid52> hexnewbie lmao
17:43 < ananke> manipulating a system and knowing how that system works are two different things, often barely overlapping on a venn diagram
17:43 < ananke> case and point: virtually any appliance
17:44 < triceratux> xandroid52: in general you dont modify & compile sourecode at os level on windows. so windows tends to be the same thing everywhere. linux is a kernel but its also a word used to describe an os which can be vastly customised via exposed settings in various config files. & the distro ecosystem means "linux" systems often differ from each other in substantial ways. you have to learn to solve the right problem
17:45 < triceratux> xandroid52: compiling source isnt always bad, but you generally have to have a compelling reason to want to modify it
17:46 < velix> Anyone with an idea?
17:46 < SporkWitch> triceratux: does "i run gentoo" count? :P
17:48 < ananke> velix: #awk has usually been very good with assistance
17:48 < velix> ananke: oh, there are active users in there? thanks
17:48 < ananke> yes, at least during a work week. not sure about weekends
17:48 < SporkWitch> nope, all of IRC is completely dead, no one talks at all; you're just imagining all this
17:49 < triceratux> SporkWitch: i dont mind gentoo but imho it should be a destination rather than a starting point. its sad when n00bs get distracted & their initial linux experiences fail
17:49 < SporkWitch> triceratux: i meant re: compiling from source lol
17:50 < luka_33> IRC isn't dead, but it's never going to be popular again
17:50 < jack_rip_vim> linux from scratch
17:51 < hexnewbie> There's still IRC?
17:52 < GNU\colossus> IRC is both popular enough and unpopular enough to be extremely useful to its users
17:52 < GNU\colossus> and I hope it stays just like that
17:54 < jack_rip_vim> one day, if all the chat software done, I believe IRC may still alive
17:55 < ttyX> IRC will outlast all the hipster protocols
17:55 < TwistedFate> Hello everyone, I've made a new partition table and a new partition. I can mount it via file manager but it only mounts it as read-only.. How can I mount it via terminal?
17:55 < hexnewbie> Chat is no longer a thing. People just communicate with text slideshow videos with background music now.
17:56 < qman> IRC has already outlasted all other chat protocols
17:56 < SporkWitch> hate to do it, but i'm having rubbish luck: anyone recommend any reasonably-powerful free-as-in-beer forum solutions?  I used to use SMF, but it lacks basic functionality that's essential (like proper email support).  I really like vbulletin, but can't justify the expense for the use-case at this time.
17:56 < SporkWitch> TwistedFate: format it?
17:56 < jack_rip_vim> people may want a life without internet
17:56  * jack_rip_vim wants a life like that
17:57 < SporkWitch> qman: https://linux.die.net/man/1/talk
17:57 < qman> you think you want that, until you realize that most of the things you know are dependent on the internet in some way
17:58 < triceratux> gah this is some entertaining reading rofl https://www.google.com/search?q=%2Fetc%2Fresolv.conf+"127.0.0.53"
17:58 < jack_rip_vim> :)
17:58 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: what is that?
17:58 < qman> just think about what happens when your internet goes down
17:58 < ananke> do any of you happen to know tools for converting ttml to plain text? searching for such vague terms yields very little
17:58 < qman> you think, oh, I can do this that and the other thing that I wanted to now that I'm not distracted by the internet
17:59 < jack_rip_vim> qman we will back to 1960s
17:59 < qman> except I need the internet to teach me how to do those things, or get a manual, or whatever
17:59 < hendrix> I followed some telegram-channel which people flooded with memes and emojis, and realized irc still has same advantages. although maybe you can disable those in telegram, idk
18:00 < triceratux> jack_rip_vim: its the systemd-resolved on the bus which when malconfigured circumvents all the classical dns it admittedly knows about
18:00 < hendrix> Ilmaiset shellit  http://shells.red-pill.eu/ (irc)
18:00 < hexnewbie> Thank goodness you can't disable Emojis in IRC 😃
18:00 < hendrix> sorry :)
18:00 < SporkWitch> hendrix: i've been trying to instill IRC chat etiquette in larger discord servers, since the chat portion is reasonably comparable in pace and usage.  Decent responses to going after people for spamming the enter key when a comma would do, though the whinging from the kids that don't want to is entertaining.
18:01 < ttyX> SporkWitch, maybe try Flarum, it's still in beta though
18:01 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: that actually drives me nuts in discord.  you can at least disable it converting text smileys into emoji when you send a message, yet if i do ascii symbols it DOES still swap it out >_< (e.g. ♥ does a giant emoji heart, instead of the ascii)
18:01 < jack_rip_vim> I miss Sony CD box
18:02 < SporkWitch> ttyX: yeah, we've got a few patreon supporters, but it'll be a few months before i can buy a vbulletin license; if it's donated money, i can justify it, but without knowing what kind of adoption we'll see i can't justify paying out of pocket, heh
18:02 < ttyX> safe call yeah
18:03 < ttyX> wow never knew about asmbb, written in assembly
18:03 < SporkWitch> ttyX: yeah, that's just a discourse knock-off it looks like, incredibly weak, and it's a flat forum
18:03 < hexnewbie> ♥ should be rendered as a giant colour heart, pulsing, veins, arteries and all. And <3 should just be an ice cream cone.
18:04 < triceratux> what have i stepped into rofl "So, this is indeed a wart, but not easily fixed, and also not that important IMHO. Not using NSS is already broken to some degree, as you also ignore things like nss-{winbind,docker,ldap} etc." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320
18:04  * triceratux thought systemd had zero warts ;)
18:04 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: my frustration is two-fold: 1) i hate emoji, 2) geek cred for using compose key to get funky symbols in without missing a beat :P
18:04 < hexnewbie> Every hacker should know that i (ice cream cone) means if (i<3)
18:04 < Psi-Jack> SporkWitch: Heh, vBulletin has a major security flaw recently.
18:04 < SporkWitch> Psi-Jack: oh? got a link to the CVE?
18:06 < hendrix> SporkWitch: ah, the enter key spammers, almost forgot those. some seem to even think enter is the new space key
18:07 < ttyX> SporkWitch, maybe CVE-2018-6200
18:08 < SporkWitch> hendrix: seriously >_< at least IRC there's bots everywhere to auto-kick them lol.  That's the other big downside of discord: because you need an invite link to get back, kicks are WAY too punishing to be useful.
18:08 < ttyX> that's the latest I see
18:08 < SporkWitch> not applicable then; current is vbulletin5
18:09 < SporkWitch> don't get me wrong, that's pretty bad, but it's for older versions that have been superceded
18:10 < hexnewbie> Everything has a CVE or two these days.
18:10 < SporkWitch> (the licensing is actually very reasonably priced to keep up to date; 250 for current version, 200 to upgrade from previous, and no user/admin limits)
18:10 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: sure, but not every CVE is serious
18:10 < TwistedFate> help, i'm stuck.. i formated new drive using gparted and now when i try to mount it via file maanger, i get errro saying "Not authorized to perform operation"
18:10 < hexnewbie> Did people stop using Bash over a serious CVE?
18:11 < jack_rip_vim> csh
18:11 < ttyX> Depends on how the software devs respond
18:11 < jack_rip_vim> zsh
18:11 < jack_rip_vim> fish
18:11 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: the bandaid fix for shellshock was published within 24 hours of the announcement, so there wasn't a need (unless on mac, which didn't fix it for MONTHS)
18:11 < ttyX> that's all that matters
18:12 < WeiJunLi> there's any media player that comes installed on ubuntu by default?
18:12 < hexnewbie> SporkWitch: Yeah, my point is that the existence of a critical security vulnerability doesn't rule software out.
18:14 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: sure, but it's a point against depending on how long after being known it takes to fix, particularly when looking at ADOPTING a piece of software.  a severe CVE by itself might not warrant abandoning a current solution, but it would be significant points against adopting that solution, as is the context of this discussion (stemming as it did from me looking for a forum solution)
18:14 < triceratux> jack_rip_vim: itz a nobrainer in fact "2) WHAT YOU WANT: systemd-resolved maintains the /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf file for compatibility with traditional Linux programs. This file may be symlinked from /etc/resolv.conf and is always kept up-to-date, containing information about all known DNS servers...." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320
18:14 < triceratux> its only been broken since 2016 or so
18:15 < jack_rip_vim> triceratux: hmm.
18:15  * triceratux has a bright future in quality assurance
18:17 < WeiJunLi> what media player comes preinstalled on linux?
18:17 < MrElendig> none
18:17 < SporkWitch> ^
18:17 < MrElendig> linux is just a kernel, it has no userland
18:17 < MrElendig> gnu/linux distroes may or may not come with a media player installed by default, it varies
18:18 < MrElendig> installed by default is sort of pointless though, since unlike windows, installing software on gnu/linux is really easy
18:18 < MrElendig> eg apt install mpv
18:21 < triceratux> pacman -Sy vlc ftw
18:21 < sauvin> MrElendig, in this channel, "linux" generally refers to GNU/Linux.
18:22 < jack_rip_vim> dnf/yum install mpv
18:22 < revel> emerge mpv
18:22 < Lope> I've installed java and `java --version` as root works. but when I su into a user account, java --version says command not found?
18:23 < luka_33> If I may interject for a moment, what you are referring to linux is actually GNU/Linux, or as I've taken to calling it: GNU plus linux
18:23 < sauvin> Lope, how did you install java?
18:23 < sauvin> luka_33, here, we generally just say "linux".
18:23 < revel> luka_33: What if I don't use any GNU userland tools?
18:23 < jim> Lope, echo $PATH as root, and as your user
18:23 < WeiJunLi> MrElendig: I'm not root so I cant apt
18:23 < Voop> luka_33: here's the thing, you said "gnu is a linux"
18:23 < Lope> jim: like this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49507160/how-to-install-jdk-10-under-ubuntu
18:23 < luka_33> lmfao
18:23 < WeiJunLi> but want to play a video tho
18:23 < Voop> are they in the same family? sure
18:24 < Lope> jim:  Ubuntu 16.04
18:24 < luka_33> Nobody recognizes stallman anymore
18:24 < Lope> jim: java 10.0.1
18:24 < revel> Everyone knows that one already.
18:24 < luka_33> You'd be surprised
18:24 < revel> sauvin: What if I don't have any GNU userland tools?
18:24 < jim> you need the real jdk? or would openjdk work?
18:24 < sauvin> revel, then you don't have the "linux" that this channel is about.
18:24 < revel> :<
18:24 < Lope> jim: oh god, I'm fucking retarded. I installed java in the wrong console window!!!!
18:25 < luka_33> This should really be aliased as #GNU/Linux
18:25 < ttyX> but linux isn't linux without gnu
18:25 < Gurkenglas> Why does package installation usually require root?
18:25 < jim> Lope: that could do it :)
18:25 < Lope> jim: i was wondering why it downloaded at the speed of my ADSL line hahahahahhaa
18:25 < RayTracer> Gurkenglas: because it's system wide
18:25 < Armand> luka_33: No, it really shouldn't.
18:26 < luka_33> angryStallman.jpeg
18:26 < jim> Lope, so I still have some questions... would openjdk (which should be packaged for ubuntu) work?
18:27 < Lope> jim: openJDK doesn't come in version 10.
18:27 < Lope> Otherwise I'd prefer openJDK vs orifice version
18:27 < jim> Gurkenglas, because it puts the files in places that are only writable by root
18:27 < luka_33> ironically I think I installed java as a requirement for something third party and I haven't done anything with it since.
18:28 < luka_33> Unless you're explicitly developing in java it's so useless for pure linux machines
18:28 < Gurkenglas> My installation procedure is usually that I go to the github of a project, clone that and follow the readme, recursing for dependencies. Why don't package managers offer to do this?
18:30 < RayTracer> Gurkenglas: package managers are meant to deal with distro packages
18:30 < luka_33> ok, I have a legitimate question regarding what I think is a grub issue.
18:30 < jim> Gurkenglas, some packaging systems offer packaged precompiled software
18:30 < RayTracer> they don't brew coffee, clean the house or download stuff from github and compile it
18:30 < MrElendig> WeiJunLi: then you talk to the admin
18:31 < MrElendig> Gurkenglas: you need root to install system wide, not to install for just your user
18:31 < RayTracer> unless the distro's philosophy aligns with it.. maybe some of those compile-everything-yourself distros offer something like that
18:31 < luka_33> Old machine I haven't messed with in years, running archlinux.  Runs perfectly fine, except when upgrading the core files: i.e linux, bbswitch, perhaps a few others.  Upon upgrading these packages it boots into a kernel panic and I have to chroot in and re-update with everything mounted
18:31 < Gurkenglas> Is there a tool that downloads stuff from github and compiles it for just my user, which works independent of the distro?
18:31 < jim> Gurkenglas, plus, some packaging systems will also pull the dependencies and install them automatically
18:32 < MrElendig> most do dependency handeling
18:32 < MrElendig> (except slackware because slackware)
18:32 < ttyX> Slackware is awesome
18:33 < luka_33> 2/buffer -1
18:33 < TheDcoder> Hello guys, I have a fairly good gaming PC. I have several games which only work on Windows, and I don't want to install Windows in a dual-boot configuration. At the moment, what is the best way to install it in a VM and share my graphic card's powers with it? :)
18:34 < ttyX> TheDcoder, maybe try steam for linux first?
18:34 < ChasticFy> hey can someone help me out with file primission on linux system centos 7 http://pastebin.centos.org/692291/ iam lost with a 500 ERROR plz help me
18:34 < MrElendig> TheDcoder: passtrough is quite buggy
18:34 < jack_rip_vim> gonna go, bye, guys!
18:34 < TheDcoder> My games are not from Steam
18:34 < MrElendig> TheDcoder: you are better off with dualbooting in most cases
18:34 < dgurney> if you want the most hassle-free way of playing Windows games, dual boot
18:35 < TheDcoder> Okay, got it
18:35 < TheDcoder> So dual-booting is the way to go for playing games
18:35 < MrElendig> but go and read up on how well your hardware supports iommu/passtrough with kvm/qemu
18:35 < MrElendig> if it is intel + nvidia: good luck, you will need it
18:35 < dgurney> yes, it's the way if you want things to just work
18:36 < azarus> Yeah, GPU passthrough is really cool, works just fine for me with intel CPU + amd GPU
18:36 < TheDcoder> Yes, it is intel + nvidia unfortunately
18:36 < azarus> It's one of the first "projects" i had with Linux
18:36 < TheDcoder> should I go with KVM or should I take time to look at Xen too?
18:37 < triceratux> hrm resolvconf is a shellscript in /sbin
18:37 < MrElendig> you want kvm/qemu
18:37 < azarus> Ehh, Xen isn't really that worth to look at
18:37  * triceratux continues to audit furiously
18:37 < ttyX> ChasticFy, maybe try changing the ownership to apache user on these files? If you're serving them via httpd
18:37 < azarus> QEMU accelerated by KVM is what I like best
18:37 < MrElendig> people still use resolvconf?
18:37 < luka_33> Does anyone know where netctl devices are located?
18:37 < TheDcoder> Hmm... I am getting confused here
18:37 < MrElendig> luka_33: you mean profiles?
18:37 < luka_33> no, not profiles
18:38 < luka_33> I mistyped the name of the device and now it tries to start a device that doesn't exist on boot
18:38 < luka_33> GOtta wait 90 seconds for it to time out
18:38 < azarus> TheDcoder: Confused by what?
18:38 < MrElendig> luka_33: that is a profile
18:38 < saberu> Guys - How can I check the CPU and memory usage of a PHP script which only runs for a split second? Should i do it via a PHP library or is there a log that can display it?
18:38 < MrElendig> and/or service
18:38 < triceratux> MrElendig: the ubuntu bugreporters recommend removing it with routine upgrades. ive never had any issues whatsoever. all this just to make chrome happy ? this is getting prettttty deep
18:38 < luka_33> You'd think that, but I've tried deleting and masking it via systemctl
18:38 < TheDcoder> is KVM like a supplement which QEMU can leverage?
18:38 < TheDcoder> azarus: take a look at my next message
18:38 < TheDcoder> (the message after confused message)
18:38 < luka_33> If there's a physical location where it's located I'd love to know
18:38 < azarus> TheDcoder: KVM is the in-kernel "accelerator" by QEMU
18:39 < ananke> saberu: ask in #php about php profiling tools
18:39 < azarus> for QEMU*
18:39 < MrElendig> just systemctl disable --now netctl(@*) and pacman -R netctl
18:39 < saberu> ok thanks ananke
18:39 < TheDcoder> Ah, got it
18:39 < MrElendig> your life will be better :p
18:39 < azarus> TheDcoder: You won't really mess with KVM, as QEMU is the interface to KVM you'll be using
18:39 < triceratux> "This bug just compromised every ubuntu machine on my network. It falsely says that DNSSEC is not supported by the nameserver and resorts to non-DNSSEC resolution. So every machine on my network just accepted bogus DNS replies from a MITM. Thanks." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320
18:39 < TheDcoder> Thanks for explaining azarus
18:39 < MrElendig> luka_33: about 3cm in from the edge on your hdd
18:39 < luka_33> :)
18:39 < MrElendig> luka_33: on the second plater
18:39 < luka_33> Thanks, I appreciated that
18:39 < MrElendig> platter*
18:40 < azarus> TheDcoder: No problem. I'd love to help with any more questions about QEMU you might have.
18:40 < MrElendig> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Netctl#Configuration
18:40 < TheDcoder> In the past I had used Xen and I didn't have much luck so hopefully QEMU will be better :)
18:40  * MrElendig suggests networkd or networkmanager instead
18:40 < TheDcoder> That's kind of you azarus, I will make sure to clarify my doubts as I begin my QEMU/KVM journey
18:41 < luka_33> Eh I normally have an ethernet connection, so this isn't a problem
18:41 < luka_33> Just an irritating little annoyance
18:41 < MrElendig> just delete the profile you made
18:41 < MrElendig> or edit it
18:42 < triceratux> MrElendig: this system is running metworkmanager. it just doesnt come with the /etc/resolv.conf symlink to the miraculous /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf. yer on yer own for that
18:42 < ShalokShalom> hi there
18:42 < ShalokShalom> http://funkyimg.com/i/2Fbr6.png
18:42 < triceratux> *networkmanager
18:42 < ShalokShalom> http://funkyimg.com/i/2FbqY.png
18:42 < ShalokShalom> i am pretty much challenged here
18:42 < MrElendig> networkmanager doesn't require nor asumes systemd so that is normal
18:42 < luka_33> huh ok nevermind
18:43 < luka_33> journalctl shows it's not a profile of netctl
18:43 < MrElendig> systemd/resolved
18:43 < Armand> Eeewwww... SkynetD.
18:43 < luka_33>  sys-subsystem-net-devices-wlp2s0
18:43 < MrElendig> ip l?
18:43 < triceratux> MrElendig: yep its up to the distro engineers to ship it robustly. first time ive run into one who doesnt
18:49 < triceratux> ftw "I’m not one of those anti-systemd people who hates change for the sake of hating change. But systemd-resolved is an actual flaming garbage pile that needs to be vitrified and launched into the sun." https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1624320
18:50 < sauvin> Man, I love the way that sentiment was expressed!
18:50 < TheDcoder> AMD GPUs looks like they are the best
18:50 < TheDcoder> I am in the Nvidia bunch :(
18:51 < triceratux> sauvin: theres a lot of subtlety & nuance in the systemd world. thats what makes it so much fun :)
18:56 < apn> triceratux, is systemd still relevant? I was under impression that it will go away within a short time.
18:57 < ShalokShalom> it is used by almost every single distribution
18:57 < ttyX> systemd is here to stay whether or not you like it
18:58 < revel> apn: What gave you that impression?
18:58 < ShalokShalom> imagination
18:58 < Kanerix> Wishful thinking
18:58 < apn> ttyX, I don't care about it. I don't use it, and not a single system that I have anything to do with uses it. So, from my point of view, this thing is invisible.
18:58 < m`r_white^rabbit> systemd is unnecessary
18:59 < apn> revel, I just don't come across it often.
18:59 < revel> apn: What distro do you use then? Devuan? Gentoo?
18:59 < m`r_white^rabbit> apn, which init daemon do you prever
18:59 < revel> Alpine?
18:59 < m`r_white^rabbit> *prefer
18:59 < Li> https://pastebin.com/DckD1kPP can anyone suggest why the dd(ing) the first archlinux file to (the same) usb stick is bootable while (on same old hp desktop) while the rest are not bootable and cause strange behavior of usb ports disable!?
18:59 < triceratux> i multiboot around 3 dozen distros in their current versions configured to identical specs. to me systemd is invisible as well. until it isnt
19:00 < apn> m`r_white^rabbit, BSD-like init scripts are by far my favorite, but my needs are modest.
19:01 < apn> revel, either Slackware, or I guess my own creation.
19:01 < revel> apn: In that case, I'd question whether those are still relevant...
19:02 < m`r_white^rabbit> apn, SysVinit inittab i like too, but what about the actual daemon, i mean the GNU sysvinit hasn't been updated for a long time has it?
19:02 < TwistedFate> can I see the status of cp -a /some/file /some/dir?
19:02 < TwistedFate> if it's already copying
19:02 < TheDcoder> Looks like pass-through and Nvidia are not very good friends... and it looks like I would need 2 GPUs (excluding the IGPU)
19:02 < TheDcoder> Well, time for dual boot I reckon
19:02 < Kanerix> TwistedFate, I don't think so :/
19:03 < rypervenche> TwistedFate: You'd want to use rsync instead.
19:03 < Kanerix> Use du to monitor file sizes?
19:03 < triceratux> the nonsystemd distros are becoming more & more backwaters daily. the resolv.conf thing is particularly sensitive to bridges & nats & the type of real networking which is becoming more prevalent on the cloud on ubuntu systems. there is no escape
19:03 < rypervenche> Or du -sh both dirs and wait until they become equal.
19:03 < m`r_white^rabbit> http://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/sysvinit.git actually i see it is still being maintained
19:05 < revel> I just relatively recently got version 2.89 of it :D
19:05 < apn> m`r_white^rabbit, does it have to be? I wasn't aware that much has change in the way OS boots. I'm not too fond of SysVinit.
19:05 < revel> like a month ago, but it had been on 2.88 for a while before then.
19:06 < revel> apn: Well, /dev/initctl moved to /run/initctl, which is something.
19:06 < ananke> m`r_white^rabbit: now look at the full history. there's a 4 year gap
19:06 < snugger> Hey dudes
19:06 < revel> Hey, dude.
19:06 < rypervenche> Hey look! It's this guy!
19:07 < triceratux> systemd is a marvellous dns resolver. now if only it had a viable init system
19:08 < rypervenche> triceratux: Careful! You're going to wake the beast!
19:08 < Psi-Jack> Great init system, great timer, great sockets, great logging.
19:08 < rypervenche> Too late.
19:08 < rypervenche> Jack is super pro-systemd :P
19:08  * triceratux issues his first systemd-resolve --status
19:09 < m`r_white^rabbit> apn, indeed I was wondering which you prefer.  as ananke pointed out sysvinit has a big gap of not being updated
19:09 < m`r_white^rabbit> runit?
19:10 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: what is your operational convention for /etc/resolv.conf ? do you go with the hardcoded 127.0.0.53 or symlink it to /run/systemd/resolv/resolv.conf until they decide to fix it ?
19:10 < rypervenche> I've been using Void with runit for the past few days. I'm really liking it. Super lightweight and extremely fast. I just wish they had logging written into each daemon by default. So you have to code that yourself if you want it.
19:11 < luka_33> There's no natively built stuff for void though, that's the one delimiting feature for me
19:11 < rypervenche> luka_33: WHat kind of "stuff"?
19:12 < luka_33> Anything that comes with having a userbase that supercedes ~1000 people
19:12 < luka_33> granted, it's a good distro and I'd probably use it as a seconday home machine
19:13 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: I primarily use systemd for desktop/laptop, manual for servers.
19:13 < Psi-Jack> Because I have my own DNS server running on my router to handle centralized caching.
19:14 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: well yeah it goes without saying that someone who knows what theyre doing doesnt even see these issues
19:14 < Psi-Jack> Mmmm there we go. Got my new Intel PRO/1000 Pt Dual Port NIC just now. :D
19:14 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: I will eventually look at systemd-resolved. But I do use a lot of components of systemd, including timed.
19:15 < m`r_white^rabbit> debian with runit is appealing if you are concerned about limited packages in repositories
19:15 < azarus> absolutely-everythingd
19:15 < m`r_white^rabbit> though the painful thing is the packages that will pull systemd as a dependency
19:15 < azarus> because f you, that's why
19:15 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: ah yer aging your software & youre slow to adopt this particular innovation. its the only issue ive ever seen with systemd myself tbh
19:15 < Psi-Jack> azarus: Enough. You're pretty much outright trolling.
19:16 < azarus> Psi-Jack: why?
19:16 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: Yeah. I DO hear that systemd-resolved is working on DoT (DNS over TLS) support, which will be very nice.
19:16 < azarus> systemd eats everything in its path, that's a *fact*
19:16 < Psi-Jack> !ops azarus systemd trolling
19:16 < azarus> butthurt
19:16 < prussian> I use systemd-boot even
19:17 < Psi-Jack> prussian: I do too! On my laptops. :)
19:17 < prussian> a lot easier than grub
19:17 < Psi-Jack> That it sure is. And UEFI support is pretty solid.
19:17  * azarus uses syslinux or grub
19:17 < prussian> and I bundle kernel/initramfs into one systemd boot efi shim and secure boot sign it
19:17 < prussian> works great
19:17 < rypervenche> I think it's a nice thing to acknowledge both approaches and views on the matter. I don't see either pro- or anti-systemd as good or bad. They are simply different opinions and different ways of using computers. Live and let live.
19:18 < prussian> trust it more than that mokwhatever signing mess that most microsoft signed efi shim distros use
19:18 < celmor> xorg froze up again and can't switch TTY, is there anything else I can do? I can connect via ssh
19:18 < azarus> celmor: sysrq + REISUB?
19:18 < celmor> happened when I started teeworlds which is now in D state
19:18 < Psi-Jack> rypervenche: Agreed. What bothers me more, is the outright infactual trolling of it. :)
19:18 < celmor> azarus: I mean other than that
19:18 < revel> celmor: Power cable?
19:19 < celmor> >,>
19:19 < celmor> sure, I could just hammer the shit out of my PC, does that solve anything? no
19:19 < azarus> some people don't want an ever-encompassing init, deal with it
19:19 < m`r_white^rabbit> ^
19:19 < azarus> that rhymed :D
19:19 < syb0rg> Hi, can anyone tell me the process to run mkinitcpio from a live USB?
19:20 < rypervenche> Psi-Jack: I still find when people give their opinion on the matter, some people <.< >.> tend to flat out say "you're wrong" or "you just can't accept the future" instead of acknowledging that it's an opinion/preference.
19:20 < Azrael_-> hi
19:21 < m`r_white^rabbit> I remember the first time systemd creep truly affected me when i tried to invoke pm-suspend on a laptop and it did nothing
19:21 < syb0rg> I've managed to update grub from live USB, but I've never had to mess with mkinitcpio until now.
19:21 < m`r_white^rabbit> then I had to learn how to do what I already knew how to do
19:21 < Wolf481pl> Hello. Does someone here know where to find documentation for the reboot= kernel parameter? Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt says what values are possible, but not what they do :/
19:21 < Psi-Jack> rypervenche: Yep. Most of the haters are like that.
19:21 < azarus> I don't mind change. I do mind change in the wrong direction.
19:22 < m`r_white^rabbit> I concur
19:22 < celmor> can a single process malfunctioning really freeze up the desktop (xorg)?
19:22 < rypervenche> Well, I suppose as with everything in Linux, people have strong opinions about everything and express them in a way that is absolute. "This IS the RIGHT way!" and "This is COMPLETELY WRONG!". Doesn't leave much room for understanding and intellectual conversation/discussions.
19:22 < Psi-Jack> Anyway, time to put this new Intel NIC into my server. :)
19:22 < m`r_white^rabbit> celmor, maybe it is systemd-xorgd
19:22  * m`r_white^rabbit giggles
19:22 < prussian> celmor: yes. it's also possible for userland DRI to do the same
19:23 < djph> celmor: init?
19:23 < prussian> more likely points to a DRM bug though
19:23 < Wolf481pl> celmor, running out of RAM can have such effect, too
19:23 < celmor> systemd
19:23 < syb0rg> nevermind, I found a relevant thread
19:23 < celmor> not running out of ram
19:24 < celmor> I can interact with my VM running on that system still if I switch kvm input/monitor input
19:24 < celmor> m`r_white^rabbit: what's that?
19:24 < djph> celmor: i meant your "init" process locking up .. (regardless of sysv or otherwise)
19:25 < azarus> celmor: what m`r_white^rabbit posted was a joke
19:25 < m`r_white^rabbit> aye
19:25 < Wolf481pl> a joke about systemd swallowing every other piece of software
19:26 < celmor> djph: if init process were to lock up wouldn't more stuff freeze up? I can still connect via ssh, run irssi, run htop...
19:26 < m`r_white^rabbit> kill -9?
19:26 < m`r_white^rabbit> just kill X?
19:27 < celmor> wouldn't that kill all other desktop applications as well?
19:27 < m`r_white^rabbit> of course
19:27 < m`r_white^rabbit> or in htop look for zombied processes etc
19:27 < Azrael_-> i try to get an nfc-reader running using debian. unfortunately it isn't automatically found with libnfc. according to the documentation my reader uses the chipset Atxmega128. can you give me a hint how i can get this running?
19:28 < djph> could be a memleak in a graphical program then
19:28 < celmor> didn't work
19:28 < m`r_white^rabbit> celmor, in htop, go to tree view/press F5, check the Xorg tree
19:28 < m`r_white^rabbit> try and find the offending process
19:29 < celmor> now xorg is zombied
19:29 < m`r_white^rabbit> i had a problem before of qjackctl locking my Xorg up, in icewm, but would work fine in xfce
19:29 < m`r_white^rabbit> and killing qjackctl freed Xorg
19:31 < celmor> https://imgur.com/xHBKyxG
19:32 < m`r_white^rabbit> ouch
19:32 < celmor> all processes with a GUI are unkillable now
19:32 < celmor> had the same happen before when starting a specific browser
19:33 < celmor> now it happened to another process
19:33 < celmor> seems only top happen to certain GUI processes using 3D rendering
19:36 < celmor> so what does it mean if xorg doesn't get reaped after it's zombied?
19:37 < Sitri> That your init is buggy
19:37 < m`r_white^rabbit> it could be GPU related
19:37 < saberu> Is it ok for me to ask a security question in here?
19:37 < rypervenche> saberu: Ask and we'll find out :)
19:37 < m`r_white^rabbit> i know GPU miner processes that have become zombied and unkillable when being stressed too much
19:37 < saberu> I made a simple client-server script which passes a generated digital signature+message to the server from the client then vice versa. Problem is I don't have any need to send an actual message im just using it to authenticate. Would it be more secure to make the message a 100 char random string than a non random string?
19:37 < m`r_white^rabbit> (opencl just zombies them)
19:38 < jml2> saberu, what about encrypting the messages?
19:39 < jml2> saberu, are you encrypting the data?
19:39 < saberu> jml2, i don't need to send a message at all I'm just using the signature component to verify the sender. the data is meaningless here
19:39 < jml2> saberu, then there's no point in authenticating, just do a firewall rule to allow by ip then.
19:39 < jml2> lol
19:40 < saberu> but afaik the data is used to generate the signature so a random data = more secure?
19:40 < celmor> with init being busy I can't reboot gracefully anymore? so I'll have to sysrq + reisub?
19:40 < djph> no, just use a proper cert fro the sig and call it a day
19:40 < saberu> jml2, IP's can be faked I'm doing a security solution for identifying access points using this simple method
19:41 < djph> *for
19:41 < saberu> use a certificate for the data being used in the signature?
19:41 < jml2> saberu, maybe you should tell people what is the outline objective, likely there is already a software solution for what you're after
19:41 < m`r_white^rabbit> sysrq reboot is totally graceful :)
19:42 < saberu> jml2, it's just a study project. I'm not trying to create something better than what exists already :)
19:42 < celmor> sure...
19:43 < djph> saberu: use TLS or SSH (etc)
19:43 < Psi-Jack> There we go. Nice shiney new Intel NIC with full tcp offloading support.
19:43 < djph> nice Psi-Jack
19:44 < saberu> djph: I guess my question is does the randomness or length of the data used to generate the signature affect the strength of the security of the signature generated?
19:44 < Psi-Jack> Replaced the last Realcrap 8168/8169/8111's, which only support /some/ tcp offloading.
19:44  * jml2 likes his intel things 1000e.InterruptThrottleRate=0   :p
19:44  * jml2 * e1000e.InterruptThrottleRate=0   :p
19:45 < djph> saberu: no.  but the cipher options matter
19:45 < jml2> I found out yesterday I purchased a game that requires 2gb vram and I only have 1 gig vram in my system. lol
19:45 < saberu> djph, in that case what would be an approriate data to use, just randomly generated?
19:46 < djph> saberu: ideally if you encrypt something 3 times, you end up with 3 entirely different files
19:46 < Psi-Jack> jml2: That's okay. I purchased a game that requires SSE3, IIRC, and my current desktop doesn't support that. :/
19:46  * aBound inserts more RAM :P
19:46 < jml2> sse3? bleh hehehe yep sure :)
19:46 < saberu> djph, the data itself isn't encrypted but the signature is compared to the data to verify it's authenticity
19:47 < Psi-Jack> jml2: Yeah. The latest Deus Ex.
19:47 < dgurney> no SSE3 on your desktop? sounds like old hardware if true
19:47 < Psi-Jack> It is about ~5 years old.
19:47 < dgurney> dude, SSE3 was introduced in early 2004
19:47 < jml2> I would have to upgrade my video card for the new tomb raider game tehehe
19:47 < dgurney> are you sure you aren't confusing the instruction with something else?
19:48 < djph> saberu: same difference
19:48 < Psi-Jack> dgurney: I am certain, yes. sse sse2 sse4a is what I have.
19:48 < Psi-Jack> No sse3.
19:48 < saberu> djph, so I'm right? Data randomness would improve security of signature?
19:48 < djph> Psi-Jack: that makes no sense :)
19:48 < dgurney> huh, that's really odd
19:49 < saberu> as opposed to just using the same data string!
19:49 < Psi-Jack> djph: I know, right?
19:49 < ayecee> no sé
19:49 < dgurney> like, *really* odd
19:49 < djph> saberu: no, you are entirely wrong
19:49 < Psi-Jack> Ahhh, sorry, ssse3 maybe?
19:49 < ayecee> ssé3
19:49 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, ssse3 specifically.
19:50 < Psi-Jack> My laptop has it, but my desktop doesn't LOL
19:50 < djph> saberu: sign/encrypt the same text 3 times andd you will get three different results.
19:50 < jml2> my desktop box is a pita to open and check dimensional parameters.. gotta crack it open
19:50 < saberu> djph, so your saying I can keep the data as some simple message like 'this comes from the server' and it will be just as secure as a random 100 character string?
19:51 < djph> saberu: provided you use something sane
19:52 < Gurkenglas> What command will put what was shown on the console since my last command in a file?
19:52 < m`r_white^rabbit> >
19:52 < saberu> I'm using a 512bit OPENSSL_KEYTYPE_RSA
19:52 < GNU\colossus> Gurkenglas, unless your terminal emulator (or multiplexer) supports such a feature, the answer is "nothing", I'm afraid
19:53 < djph> thats not been "something sane" for 20 years.
19:53 < GNU\colossus> GNU screen can save its window buffers into a hardcopy file
19:54 < djph> hell 1024s been considered "small" for nearly 5 now ...
19:54 < m`r_white^rabbit> when it gets to brute forcing, then the sanity matters
19:56 < m`r_white^rabbit> like the sha256 of 00000000 is 22dbe6b7b70a64966e31813e597db3e863492d341bee2fb05c0e8864773387af
19:56 < m`r_white^rabbit> 00000001 is 4f12fa9e685428bcf226169192fb132acdfe38da0785eda1a6bbb137c51d4976
19:57 < djph> m`r_white^rabbit: theres a difference between creating a checksum, and validating a digital signature
19:58 < m`r_white^rabbit> yes i know
19:58 < triceratux> itz da russians ! http://vasilisc.com/upgrade-ubuntu-17-04
19:58 < m`r_white^rabbit> but the sanity in whether "bob" is as secure as "anhwoiewhc8wyhu" as an input is related
19:59 < m`r_white^rabbit> as you pointed out 512bit RSA is insane
20:01 < djph> m`r_white^rabbit: only in the context that "bob" is the salt or something.  signing "yes this is me" is perfectly fine ... with a decent key, anyway.
20:03 < Psi-Jack> Wait... What about Bob?
20:03 < Armand> Bob's dead, man...
20:04 < hexnewbie> If there is a message reading ‘I'm not Bob’, with a digital signature by Bob, what does the signature prove?
20:04 < djph> Psi-Jack: hes still hanging by his ankles
20:04 < ayecee> Psi-Jack: with proxmox, can you map a physical serial port to a vm, so a vm can monitor a UPS, for example?
20:04 < djph> that bob sogned it
20:04 < Psi-Jack> ayecee: Yes
20:04 < ayecee> no, that someone with bob's key signed it.
20:04 < ayecee> Psi-Jack: thanks!
20:05 < Psi-Jack> ayecee: I'm actually going to be doing a lot of that, as well as a USB sound dongle system that ties in with a building intercom system connected to Asterisk PBX.
20:05 < ayecee> slick
20:05 < Psi-Jack> Serial being used to communicate with serial-based systems, like blackbox etc.
20:06 < Gurkenglas> Is there a tool that takes console outputs and anonymises them?
20:06 < Psi-Jack> Mmmm.. There we go. Another filestore->bluestore ceph OSD.
20:07 < Psi-Jack> Gurkenglas: That... What? That makes no sense.
20:07 < djph> ^^^^^^^
20:08 < ayecee> Gurkenglas: probably not; it'd be difficult to know which ips and names were relevant locally.
20:09 < Gurkenglas> Mhkay. ayecee understood.
20:09 < hexnewbie> Maybe a digital version of the AI that censors Google Street View can be made. It will redact ‘root’, and leave your password visible because it thought ‘dragon’ was not a system word\
20:10 < Psi-Jack> Yet, another wonderful day of ceph degradation recovery from rebuilding OSDs. heh
20:11 < djph> hexnewbie: itll only work when the password is hunter2
20:11 < hexnewbie> djph: How do you know my password?!
20:12 < djph> hexnewbie: i only copy pasted your *'s
20:12 < hexnewbie> Ah, for a moment I was worried there.
20:17 < SporkWitch> classic :)
20:17 < rypervenche> Very.
20:17 < ayecee> OLD
20:17 < SporkWitch> that too, still classic
20:18 < diogenese> one of the better bash.org's
20:26 < djph> heh, there are a lot of decent quotes
20:30 < Psi-Jack> Wooo... There we go. Faster OSD rebuild recovery, pushing 80-140 MB/s (on a single disk.
20:33 < xandroid52> .
20:34 < rasknikoff> ..
20:35 < Psi-Jack> I think tomorrow, I'll get to start playing with OpenVSwitch VNet bridging, to bridge, internally, a set of private tunnel networks between physical hosts. Muahahah
20:42 < mawk> what can it do that plain linux bridging can't Psi-Jack ?
20:45 < Psi-Jack> mawk: Create multiple physical bridges between multiple servers for multiple different VM instances accross physical servers.
20:45 < hexnewbie> A gazillion of other features
20:45 < Psi-Jack> And, yes, a gazillion other features, including flow monitoring very nicely.
20:45 < mawk> nice
20:46 < Psi-Jack> I've been using openvswitch over plain bridges for a while now already, just haven't tapped into all what openvswitch can actually do.
20:47 < TwistedFate> how big should /tmp be?
20:48 < Psi-Jack> Oh man, this is going soooo much faster now that recovery is sped up. Before it would take like 2~4 hours to to just 1%, now in 15 minutes, and it's already done 1%
20:48 < rypervenche> TwistedFate: I usually keep /tmp on my root file system so I don't run into disk space issues. Although if you don't think you'll max it out you can also make a tmpfs of it so it's fast.
20:48 < mawk> something like 800 MiB TwistedFate
20:48 < TwistedFate> rypervenche: it's on my root partition atm but i'm using ssd. i'm not sure it's a good idea to have it there
20:49 < mawk> on my system
20:49 < Psi-Jack> TwistedFate: Usually one doesn't make a partition for just /tmp, unless they have ultimate specific needs for it.
20:49 < ayecee> classic ssd fud
20:49 < Psi-Jack> ^
20:49 < TwistedFate> Psi-Jack: Well, I just want to avoid SSD wear
20:49 < hexnewbie> ‘I have an SSD, so I'm not going to use it for anything useful so I don't wear it.’
20:50 < ayecee> TwistedFate: you probably don't need to.
20:50 < Psi-Jack> TwistedFate: This for a desktop?
20:50 < TwistedFate> Psi-Jack: desktop, yes.
20:50 < ayecee> it'll last longer than the computer will.
20:50 < Psi-Jack> TwistedFate: Then just use tmpfs.
20:51 < TwistedFate> Psi-Jack: what's the difference between the two?
20:51 < TwistedFate> does tmpfs use ram?
20:51 < Psi-Jack> I use SSD for /, swap, and yes, logging too, as well as /home, however, I segment off parts of /home/*/* to a spinning disk for things that are bigger, like downloads, documents, etc
20:51 < Psi-Jack> tmpfs uses RAM, yes.
20:51 < ayecee> TwistedFate: yes, and swap if it gets too big.
20:54 < triceratux> hrm lubu-next 18.04 symlinks /etc/resolv.conf to /run/connman/resolv.conf. no longer any trace of resolvconf but a perfectly well populated /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf as well
20:54  * triceratux finally knows what to look for & is stocking up on popcorn
20:54 < Psi-Jack> TwistedFate: Before recently, I used to keep /home on spinning disk too. Though with /, swap, logging, I've used for SSD solidly without failure on good SSD drives for ~5 years, still running.
20:54 < hexnewbie> E17/18/19 won and we're all going Connmann?
20:55 < triceratux> hexnewbie: cant say. havent started googling yet ;)
20:56 < triceratux> the majority of distros still use a deck generated by NetworkManager, keeping the systemd-resolved entirely out of the loop
21:02 < m`r_white^rabbit> if you have lots of RAM spare, apart from mounting /tmp as tmpfs, a neat thing can be to also mount the package manager download location as tmpfs (ie: /var/cache/apt) -- so packages are downloaded to RAM, then extracted to SSD/HDD ... it can speed up installs and upgrades, just be sure to clean them out after
21:03 < m`r_white^rabbit> i think extracting archives from disk to disk is ugly, RAM to disk extraction is much more logical
21:03 < FreeFull> m`r_white^rabbit: I did that when I was booting from a 2GB USB stick
21:03 < m`r_white^rabbit> it's handy, isn't it
21:03 < FreeFull> I think the idea is that if you need to downgrade to an older package, it's right there in your cache
21:04 < triceratux> m`r_white^rabbit: yep thats one reason i run from liveiso images. all of /tmp & /var are automatically mounted in ram. when i get tired of looking at /var/cache/apt/archives i reboot & it all goes away
21:04 < FreeFull> triceratux: You could just delete the cached packages
21:04 < triceratux> FreeFull: i do in circumstances where i dont want to reboot in fact
21:05 < m`r_white^rabbit> FreeFull, I think in most cases if you want to downgrade, there is always the lower version in the repos somewhere
21:06 < m`r_white^rabbit> GNU/Linux mirrors are great for archiving old packages, to a historical level
21:08 < TwistedFate> Psi-Jack: ah, so it doesnt matter much for ssd if /tmp is on it
21:08 < m`r_white^rabbit> also ~/.cache can benefit mounting in tmpfs like /tmp
21:08 < m`r_white^rabbit> if you want to go all out
21:09 < FreeFull> m`r_white^rabbit: Yeah, assuming you still have internet access
21:10 < hexnewbie> Some programs put essential stuff in ~/.cache (and /var/cache), even non-essential stuff there is not always good to lose.
21:10 < m`r_white^rabbit> well, linux without internet access is basically the gateway to hell anyway
21:11 < hexnewbie> Linux is a gateway to Internet addiction? I should have known, my withdrawal symptoms are insane.
21:11 < m`r_white^rabbit> I remember when I was a teen first trying red hat linux with the redneck accent, somehow managed to get Xorg configured with no internet, but it was hell
21:11 < m`r_white^rabbit> redneck language*
21:11 < FreeFull> X used to be pretty tough to configure
21:11 < FreeFull> And nowadays everything just works
21:12 < hexnewbie> You just run xf86config, it asks a few questions and it's done
21:12 < m`r_white^rabbit> Yeah, CRT too, horizontal and vertical frequency settings etc ahh
21:12 < hexnewbie> And no amount of Internet would have helped me get the hsync and vsync range of that old crate, er, monitor
21:12 < jim> started from when monitors didn't have any way to communicate to a computer about its min and max settings
21:13 < hexnewbie> Good thing there was a book in a drawer. Thing didn't even have a model, 14-inch, horrible resolutions and colours, but I still miss it
21:13 < ayecee> edid, what a gamechanger
21:13 < m`r_white^rabbit> when I did manage to get ye olde CRT + Xfree86 working, I was amazed at all the screensavers, and the game xBill
21:13 < jim> "I'll take two quarts of internet, I think I'm a quart low"
21:14 < m`r_white^rabbit> hexnewbie, which programs put essential stuff in ~/.cache?
21:14 < m`r_white^rabbit> I never have a problem with ~/.cache in tmpfs RAM mount
21:14 < m`r_white^rabbit> reboot, everything works
21:15 < m`r_white^rabbit> but of course cache is lost
21:15 < hexnewbie> m`r_white^rabbit: Don't remember, but I remember seeing such bugs in bugzillas. I'd go for winetrick stuff that Microsoft has since deleted from their web site
21:16 < hexnewbie> W2KSP4_EN.EXE is the one I recovered from ~/.cache on another computer when I needed it
21:16 < m`r_white^rabbit> ...
21:16 < revel> Aaaalmost a 8.3 name :D
21:17 < m`r_white^rabbit> please register your AUTOEXEC.BAT with Microsoft to continue
21:18 < SporkWitch> ...
21:18 < hexnewbie> I have since replaced the systemd.service which starts /etc/rc.local with one that starts /AUTOEXEC.BAT
21:19 < jim> dotz n dotz! what for are these dotz?!
21:19 < m`r_white^rabbit> hahahah
21:19 < m`r_white^rabbit> …
21:19 < m`r_white^rabbit> 。。。
21:19 < SporkWitch> i'm trying to figure out why we're talking about exe and bat files in ##linux
21:19 < jim> parameterized dotz!
21:20 < m`r_white^rabbit> ︙
21:20 < yuri__> Hi. Please help me... How can i create logon (NOT STARTUP!) unit in systemd for some user?
21:20 < hexnewbie> Meaningful dots on a kernel level, everyone wants such a feature... I mean ‘feature’
21:20 < jim> rotatinated dotz!
21:21 < MrElendig> yuri__: systemctl --user edit --force  herpaderp.service
21:22 < MrElendig> works best with a somewhat recent systemd, user units are a bit bugged in older versions
21:28 < yuri__> @MrElendig Than you. This daemon (herpaderp.service) will be executed with root permissions?
21:29 < MrElendig> no
21:29 < hexnewbie> Hopefully not, unless you found another CVE for systemd. And yeah, it rhymes, but that doesn't mean it's likely.
21:29 < MrElendig> that would make no sense for a service you want to trigger on login
21:30 < MrElendig> user services runs as the user they belong to
21:30 < MrElendig> what are you actually trying to do?
21:31 < junka> what is kde neon
21:32 < ayecee> a distribution of linux
21:32 < MrElendig> junka: their homepage says what it is
21:32 < ayecee> i thought it was just a version of kde for a long time
21:33 < junka> ayecee; yes me too
21:33 < MrElendig> https://neon.kde.org/faq
21:34 < m`r_white^rabbit> does anyone here use KDE as a DE
21:34 < MrElendig> there are some crazy people here, yes
21:34 < m`r_white^rabbit> I use kdenlive for editing videos, but damn that DE is such bloat and buggy
21:34 < m`r_white^rabbit> but good for eye candy and a few features I guess
21:35 < MrElendig> kdenlive is not a DE
21:35 < m`r_white^rabbit> it is useful for converting some windows users
21:35 < MrElendig> it is a buggy and slow video editor
21:35 < m`r_white^rabbit> I know
21:36 < m`r_white^rabbit> I should maybe rephrase:  damn that DE is such bloat and buggy, but I use kdenlive for editing videos
21:36 < m`r_white^rabbit> it pulls a lot of KDE dependencies
21:37 < MrElendig> not really
21:37 < MrElendig> knewstuff  knotifyconfig  kfilemetadata  qt5-webkit  mlt  glu  qt5-quickcontrols
21:37 < sauvin> kdenlive sure does love to crash and/or lock up.
21:37 < NightMonkey> Hi. I've got a laptop that the kernel reports ACPI bugs for. What do I do with these reports? How do I a) report them or b) know if they've already been reported?
21:37 < MrElendig> it isn't really useable at all in my experience
21:38 < NightMonkey> Posting to the LKML seems drastic...
21:38 < triceratux> on lubuntu-next 18.04 lxqt kdenlive installs as 14 debs. thats not too bad
21:38 < m`r_white^rabbit> it's very buggy
21:38 < MrElendig> NightMonkey: check the lkml
21:38 < m`r_white^rabbit> but I like what it offers, even if I have to save every 30 seconds
21:38 < NightMonkey> MrElendig: Is there anything I can do to prep my report to keep the community happy?
21:39 < m`r_white^rabbit> sometimes I don't know it has bugged out until I move a sliced section after applying some effect
21:39 < MrElendig> check if it is reported there first
21:39 < m`r_white^rabbit> really weird bugs
21:39 < MrElendig> there is a bugtracker for acpi issues somewhere too, can't remember the url though
21:40 < m`r_white^rabbit> i wonder if KDE will eventually get its own init system like systemd
21:40 < m`r_white^rabbit> kded
21:41 < revel> There's already kded.
21:41 < revel> "Central daemon of KDE workspaces"
21:41 < m`r_white^rabbit> aye... Why is kded taking 87% of my CPU?5 posts 17 Apr 2007
21:41 < revel> There's also kinit :D
21:41 < m`r_white^rabbit> How can I get rid of kded? 2 posts 28 Dec 2005
21:41 < revel> lol
21:41 < m`r_white^rabbit> kded driving me mad !!! 4 posts 17 Mar 2005
21:42 < m`r_white^rabbit> so many linuxquestions.org
21:42 < junka> Kded
21:42 < junka> rip
21:43 < kazdax> i have yet to encounter a problem with linux
21:43 < kazdax> specially it running as my main desktop
21:44 < revel> Those issues were from literally a decade ago, so...
21:44 < kazdax> right much improvement from then on
21:44 < kazdax> even then i bet those bugs could be fixed if the guys knew how to programm
21:45 < m`r_white^rabbit> I run GNU/Linux as my only desktop and server
21:45 < m`r_white^rabbit> not KDE though
21:45 < kazdax> what do you use for windows manager ?
21:45 < m`r_white^rabbit> icewm-lite
21:45 < m`r_white^rabbit> a black screen
21:45 < kazdax> using the lite versions is it much faster ?
21:46 < yuri__> Sorry... Off topic... How can i mention (citatd)
21:46 < kazdax> but i assume something like RHCSA ..wants yoyu to know the KDE dektop
21:46 < yuri__> user?
21:46 < kazdax> desktop
21:46 < triceratux> kazdax: what distro are you on ?
21:46 < kazdax> debian
21:46 < kazdax> 9
21:46 < triceratux> ah
21:46 < m`r_white^rabbit> kazdax, I just use what I prefer, KDE is a DE, i don't use a DE, i just use a WM, icewm-lite
21:46 < kazdax> i like it so far..havnt had any problems with it
21:46 < m`r_white^rabbit> when I do use a DE, i use XFCE
21:47 < ReScO> Anyone here know how i can disable S3 / Suspend completely?
21:47 < m`r_white^rabbit> I highly recommend XFCE to you if you like DEs
21:47 < kazdax> ill look into it
21:47 < m`r_white^rabbit> It is very fast, doesn't use much RAM or CPU
21:47 < kazdax> ya ticeratux ..my vm runs RHEL with KDE
21:47 < kazdax> my host runs Debian 9 with KDE
21:47 < azarus> kazdax: the RHCSA does not require experience with KDE or any other DE for that matter
21:47 < junka> why not LXDE
21:48 < ReScO> I run Fedora 27 with i3wm :')
21:48 < ReScO> i3-gaps to be exact
21:48 < triceratux> m`r_white^rabbit: ive gotten into the habit of using icewm with xfce. now that modesetting is working again with the xfce compositor im getting back to more native xfce
21:48 < kazdax> ahh i see azarus
21:48 < ReScO> Also using Opal2.0, but it doesn't support sleep, only hibernate...
21:48 < ReScO> So i gotta find a way to make the system always hibernate instead of sleeping
21:48 < m`r_white^rabbit> junka, I did use LXDE for a while, but ended up preferring XFCE, less buggy and seemed faster and less resource intensive the way I set it up
21:49 < m`r_white^rabbit> I was using Gnome 2 before that
21:49 < kazdax> i heard Gnome 3 is cool
21:49 < m`r_white^rabbit> is that what the cool kids are saying these days
21:49 < azarus> i do dwm. everything else just feels like unnecessary features for me
21:49 < junka> xfce has a very slow development
21:50 < triceratux> lxqt is going to take off. if you just have to suffer thru openbox anyway may as well get a bunch of properly installed qt libs as well
21:50 < junka> thats a big downside in my opinion
21:50 < m`r_white^rabbit> junka, it just works, all a DE needs to do is launch applications, provide maybe a taskbar and panel, clock etc
21:50 < m`r_white^rabbit> or tiling interface
21:50 < kazdax> WM and DE whats the difference ?
21:51 < ReScO> But yeah, Disable S3/Susupend/Sleep?
21:51 < ReScO> Suspend*
21:51 < triceratux> thunar still has the highest likelihood of supporting mtp properly
21:51 < azarus> ReScO: why not just prevent whatever is trying to trigger it?
21:51 < azarus> ReScO: seems like a XY problem
21:51 < m`r_white^rabbit> thunar is awesome
21:51 < ReScO> azarus, nothing triggers it, i just want to disable it
21:52 < dgurney> kazdax, one manages windows, while the other is a complete suite of applications etc.
21:52 < m`r_white^rabbit> kazdax, WM provides just the bare minimum for window management, like just displaying a window for an application, allowing movement, resize, etc.
21:52 < dgurney> all DEs include a WM
21:52 < m`r_white^rabbit> DE provides taskbar, launchers, wallpaper, maybe widgets, etc
21:52 < azarus> ReScO: doesn't make sense for me. if it doesn't go into suspend, why disable it
21:52 < kazdax> i see
21:52 < ReScO> azarus, because i want my system to hibernate instead ofsuspend
21:52 < m`r_white^rabbit> yeah, usually "native" apps too
21:52 < triceratux> kazdax: a wm is just a windowmanager. a de is a wm with a suite of standalone productivity apps bundled: terminal, fm, mimetype editor, &c
21:52 < junka> applications as well
21:52 < ReScO> So that if it's triggered, it'll hubernate instead
21:52 < azarus> ReScO: then tell everything that tries to suspend to hibernate instead
21:52 < kazdax> i see
21:53 < kazdax> i am currently studying about managing groups and users
21:53 < kazdax> i dont know when the interesting stuff starts
21:54 < ReScO> azarus, you don't get it, the system locks the disk when the system goes into S3
21:54 < kazdax> i enjoyed the topics like vim and grep alot
21:54 < kazdax> awk was cool too
21:54 < azarus> ReScO: i do get it. but this still seems like a XY problem to me
21:54 < ReScO> So if the system gets woken up, it locks it
21:54 < ReScO> S3 cannot be used, so i want to disable that on my system
21:54 < yuri__> @MrElendig yuri__: systemctl --user edit --force  herpaderp.service : In herpaderp.service file what should i typed in section [Service] for parameter TYPE and in section [Install] (WantedBy=multi-user.target Yes?)
21:55 < yuri__> #MrElendig
21:55 < MrElendig> see the man page(s)
21:55 < MrElendig> and no you don't want that wantedby
21:55 < MrElendig> what are you actually trying to do?
21:56 < azarus> ReScO: what do you want to do? to hibernate, one needs suspend
21:57 < ReScO> azarus, prevent suspending to RAM
21:57 < ReScO> to a swapfile won't be an issue
21:58 < yuri__> <MrElendig> what are you actually trying to do?: I explain above. I have create user with mandatory profile (reset to default (preconfigured) settings every relogin).
21:58 < Mekely> hi
21:59 < azarus> ReScO: I don't actually get what you're trying to achieve, sorry.
21:59 < azarus> What good does this bring?
21:59 < kazdax> hi mekely
21:59 < Mekely> hi
21:59 < Mekely> how r u
22:00 < TwistedFate> sigh
22:00 < ReScO> azarus, prevent a system failure, because the system cannot suspend to RAM
22:00 < kazdax> well surviving i have really boring materials t learn from for my RHCSA
22:00 < kazdax> how about you ?
22:00 < TwistedFate> that feeling before wiping the drives for a new system install that you dont know how it will go
22:00 < Mekely> hi TwistedFate nice seeing u here
22:00 < TwistedFate> hi Mekely
22:01 < kazdax> hey aztec
22:01 < yuri__> <MrElendig> what are you actually trying to do? This logon script should be rsync (or ovevlayed with AUFS/UnionFS) profile from etalon user to user with mandatory frofile ()
22:02 < kazdax> does anyone know good material for RHCSA ?
22:03 < Psi-Jack> kazdax: RHCSA books.
22:04 < kazdax> right i see a few here
22:04 < kazdax> they ar expensive tho
22:04 < kazdax> 40 dollars
22:04 < TwistedFate> Mekely lmao, you got me thinking that this is anime
22:04 < Mekely> lol
22:04 < Mekely> i dont belong here TwistedFate
22:04 < TwistedFate> i honestly thought it was, then i saw Psi-Jack and  was like wtf
22:04 < Mekely> arch linux is pest linux
22:04 < Mekely> best*
22:05 < TwistedFate> pest, you got that right! lol :D
22:05 < Mekely> oof
22:05 < kazdax> i used arch linux but all the installation was done with a cheat sheet
22:05 < Psi-Jack> Eh?
22:05 < azarus> arch is meh
22:05 < TwistedFate> Mekely: i'm about to install funtoo/gentoo but i'm reluctant
22:05 < Mekely> hmm
22:06 < Psi-Jack> kazdax: Yeah. $40. Not bad. Wait till you see the cost of the RHCSA exam itself, and that it expires after a number of years. heh
22:06 < kazdax> :(
22:06 < Mekely> part the harddrive and try it before you kill everything ;-;
22:06 < kazdax> well anything to make a few bucks i suppose
22:06 < TwistedFate> Mekely: i already got me a lovely 3TB drive :D
22:06 < TwistedFate> partitioned it today
22:06 < Mekely> oml
22:06 < Mekely> i have a 120 gb ssd for my thinkpad
22:06 < TwistedFate> so i backed up all of my stuff there
22:06 < Mekely> i like it i watch anime on it
22:06 < kazdax> i want to get SSD
22:06 < kazdax> wanna see how it feels to be on a faster system
22:07 < TwistedFate> Mekely: oh nice, which thinkpad you got?
22:07 < kazdax> i guess speed junkies enjoy SSDs
22:07 < Mekely> lanova x100e
22:07 < Mekely> its a potato pad
22:07 < TwistedFate> i would really love to have x200
22:07 < azarus> who even needs partition tables on external devices? mkfs.<whatever> /dev/<blah> :P
22:07 < TwistedFate> Mekely: nice, those are good
22:07 < Mekely> it has 4gb ddr2 ram 1.3 ghz processer
22:07 < Mekely> 120gb ssd
22:07 < Mekely> and runing arch linux lxde
22:07 < dgurney> kazdax, it's basically one of the best upgrades you can buy
22:07 < TwistedFate> Mekely: they don't make them as they used to
22:07 < kazdax> yea i was thinking the same to dgurney
22:07 < Mekely> yeah well its till my potato pad
22:08 < Mekely> my phone is better then it
22:08 < kazdax> all those wait times copying files and using applications
22:08 < dgurney> and considering they're not that expensive, it's a no-brainer to get one
22:08 < TwistedFate> Mekely: it's not, it cannot run gnu+linux :P
22:08 < kazdax> yea
22:08 < kazdax> 600 dollars
22:08 < kazdax> i7 16 gig ram
22:08 < Mekely> TwistedFate: actually it can
22:08 < kazdax> 128 ssd
22:08 < kazdax> and 1 tb hd
22:08 < MrElendig> yuri__: pam_mount the aufs/overlayfs
22:08 < TwistedFate> Mekely: huh, really? which model?
22:08 < Mekely> galaxay s7 active
22:09 < kazdax> I have a galaxy s7 edge
22:09 < kazdax> whats active ?
22:09 < dgurney> a rugged galaxy
22:09 < kazdax> ahh
22:09 < Mekely> kazdax: its water proof
22:09 < TwistedFate> Mekely: its a nice phone, but i don't think that it supports gnu+linux
22:09 < azarus> "rugged" -> cheap plastic, which isn't actually anymore rugged at all
22:09 < azarus> also, awful screen
22:09 < Mekely> https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-active/how-to/rom-support-t3585686
22:09 < kazdax> i want to get the note 5
22:10 < dgurney> it's certainly more rugged than all that no-bezel stuff
22:10 < azarus> I want to get rid of my android phone, but my "normal" colleagues all use WhatsApp
22:11 < kazdax> i have dropped my edge many many times
22:11 < kazdax> and it has yet to crack
22:11 < kazdax> cropped it on tiles
22:11 < kazdax> on the road
22:11 < TwistedFate> azarus: i still use android, but i flashed lineageos, without google play services
22:11 < kazdax> on about every surface and hasnt cracked yet
22:11 < azarus> TwistedFate: me too
22:11 < azarus> still sucks
22:11 < TwistedFate> i only use calls and sms lol
22:11 < TwistedFate> and some browsing
22:11 < TwistedFate> i'm considering to get some old blackberry to use it
22:12 < dgurney> my phone is an iPhone SE
22:12 < kazdax> i have really never heard of these phones
22:12 < TwistedFate> mine is xiaomi redmi note 3
22:12 < collins> I am going to fork the linux project and make my own OS >:(
22:12 < collins> and there's nothing you can do to stop me!
22:12 < azarus> collins: linux isn't an OS
22:13 < azarus> and no, nobody can nor wants to stop you
22:13 < yuri__> <MrElendig> yuri__: pam_mount the aufs/overlayfs: Thanks. I read.
22:13 < MrElendig> or you could use a mount unit
22:13 < triceratux> woo woo new tumbleweed ships 4.16.2 kernel [    0.000000] Linux version 4.16.2-1-default (geeko@buildhost) (gcc version 7.3.1 20180323 [gcc-7-branch revision 258812] (SUSE Linux)) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 12 12:54:16 UTC 2018 (7b2d22b)
22:14 < dgurney> good, I guess
22:14 < kazdax> you know having a good keyboard does make matters different
22:14 < kazdax> specially if you gonna type commands
22:14 < kazdax> i got a cherry blue CM storm master
22:15 < kazdax> its not mien borrowed from my brother but i am liking it so far
22:15 < azarus> muh mech keyboards!!!
22:15 < TwistedFate> got muh chinese mechanical switches keyboard
22:15 < kazdax> yea my brother has the chinese ones
22:15 < dgurney> I have the cheapest mechanical keyboard from a local store with red switches
22:15 < kazdax> he had a cherry brown and blue
22:15 < TwistedFate> <3 outemu blue
22:15 < kazdax> ditched them dotn know why
22:15 < kazdax> i guess th eblue because it dint have extended keys
22:15 < kazdax> or something
22:15 < kazdax> like extra numpad keys
22:15 < TwistedFate> love them clickity click blues
22:16 < kazdax> yea
22:16 < kazdax> the clicks are awesome makes you wanna type more
22:16 < TwistedFate> yea :D
22:16 < kazdax> i guess you are as good as your tools
22:16 < kazdax> is that something people say ?
22:16 < TwistedFate> dunno xD
22:17 < kazdax> assuming its true ..you wanna have the best then
22:17 < kazdax> i think in todays age it might be a true statement
22:17 < azarus> just because you shill out on your hardware doesn't make you any better
22:17 < kazdax> haha
22:17 < kazdax> no not at all
22:18 < kazdax> i am gonna learn more about red hat..i just want to have a regular life you know..wake up in the morning
22:18 < kazdax> do exercise
22:18 < kazdax> drink juice
22:18 < kazdax> eat eggs and bacon
22:18 < TwistedFate> and code?
22:18 < kazdax> yea
22:18 < kazdax> no pointers tho
22:19 < azarus> learning for a RHCSA is not coding
22:19 < kazdax> pointers make me look stupid
22:19 < azarus> it's sysadmin stuff
22:19 < kazdax> well yea system admin and then do some scripting
22:19 < collins> kazdax: would you mind finishing your texts before you press enter? please?
22:19 < azarus> not coding
22:19 < collins> your average message has 2 words
22:19 < kazdax> yea collins
22:19 < TwistedFate> nice, can you teach me to become good sysadmin too kazdax?
22:20 < collins> guys, take it to PM
22:20 < yuri__> <MrElendig> or you could use a mount unit: you meens "systemd-mount" (https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-mount.html#)?
22:20 < [R]> https://elinux.org/images/2/2a/Using-buildroot-real-project.pdf
22:20 < [R]> is that as opposed to using buildroot for fake projects?
22:20 < triceratux> MrElendig: tumbleweed 0419 has no /run/resolvconf or /run/systemd/resolve & /etc/resolv.conf is a hardcoded deck generated by netconfig & referencing 192.168.1.1
22:21 < triceratux> an example of a distro where the engineers sat down & made sure dns is configured correctly ftw
22:23  * triceratux fakes [R]'s projects
22:36 < funksh0n> Hi all.
22:37 < G66GGG6G66G> hi u
22:37 < xandroid52> Hello funksh0n
22:37 < funksh0n> with ranger file manager, how do I execute a script instead of opening it?
22:37 < [R]> sometimes if a sript is +x file mangaers will run them... is it +x?
22:39 < debkad> If the script is executable then the script must run
22:40 < funksh0n> +x in ranger does chmod +x
22:40 < funksh0n> the script is executable, but ranger just opens it in nvim for editing if I press return
22:42 < [R]> probably should just take the training wheels off
22:42 < [R]> and stop using file managers
22:42 < debkad> lol
22:44 < nevodka> i want off [R]'s wild ride ;-;
22:45 < zapotah> run shit from terminal as the deities intended -> profit
22:46 < m`r_white^rabbit> even GUI programs, run them from the terminal, see strange obscure error messages from firefox or chromium
22:46 < Azrael_-> i try to get an nfc-reader running using debian. unfortunately it isn't automatically found with libnfc. according to the documentation my reader uses the chipset Atxmega128. can you give me a hint how i can get this running?
22:47 < [R]> Azrael_-: sounds like you'll have to patch libnfc
22:47 < aaro> funksh0n, :shell bash %f;bash  <- if it's a bash script
22:50 < funksh0n> Thanks aaro
22:50 < pikia> I have a linux machine connected to my TV with an electron app on it.
22:51 < pikia> I remote into the linux server via ssh and go to run the electron app, but nothing happens. Is it becasue I am ssh-ing into the machine and I have a "virtual" instance of the machine
22:51 < pikia> and not the "local" instance?
22:51 < [R]> pikia: export DISPLAY=:0
22:51 < [R]> then run it
22:52 < Azrael_-> [R]: sounds evil
22:52 < [R]> lol
22:52 < pikia> youre a god [R]
22:52 < nevodka> now pray to your god
22:53 < triceratux> funksh0n: longterm consider upgrading ranger to midnight commander. its a bit more adroit at this stuff
22:53 < pikia> Dear [R] thank you for the quick help that works well. Amen.
22:53 < [R]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8s_q3IaglQ
22:56 < pikia> Hey [R], what does export do? man export comes up with nothing
22:56 < [R]> 'help export'
22:56 < Loshki> pikia: export allows subshells to inherit an environment variable. Clear as mud, right?
22:57 < Sitri> (echo I am a subshell)
22:57 < pikia> lmfao Loshki, that is basically the first line from help export. Ty [R]
22:57 < tpanarch1st> hello, is this a good guide for setting up a website certificate for a web based interface on my LAN? https://www.akadia.com/services/ssh_test_certificate.html
22:58 < [R]> tpanarch1st: try it... does it work? it's a good guide
22:58 < tpanarch1st> anybody else please?
22:58 < pikia> lol
22:58 < Sitri> Looks right
22:58 < debkad> you don't know until you try
23:01 < Psi-Jack> tpanarch1st: Simplest way, use a tool like XCA, create a certificate authority, then make certificates signed by that CA. Add that CA to each browser you will use so that it's "trusted".
23:02 < SporkWitch> easy-rsa
23:04 < Psi-Jack> Another way would be to setup cfssl (cloudflare's ssl automation stuff), use it to setup a CA similarly, and automate creation of SSL certs for servers accordingly. Again, you'd have to add the CA to browsers still.
23:05 < tpanarch1st> so what are the benefits - easy-rsa versus xca?
23:05 < zapotah> tpanarch1st: both suck
23:06 < shirafuno> Hi, I'm trying to run deluge however I'm having problems. https://pastebin.com/esSCBx9b
23:07 < Sitri> Install python-gtk
23:08 < shirafuno> Sitri: thank you so much :)
23:25 < WeiJunLi> anyone knows what qualcomm-hidl stands for, `hidl` excatly?
23:26 < ayecee> WeiJunLi: human interface device
23:26 < ayecee> WeiJunLi: most keyboards and mice use the hid profile, for example
23:28 < WeiJunLi> Hmm ayecee thanks
23:28 < WeiJunLi> makes sense
23:30 < acresearch> hello people, i am on antergos using gnome-terminal and i want to know how can i change the terminal colours to be that of ubuntu? anyone can help me?
23:32 < [R]> right click, profile, profile preferences, colors
23:34 < WeiJunLi> ayecee: btw are you aware of ANT communication?
23:35 < ayecee> need more context
23:35 < WeiJunLi> I just found about ANT communication on android devices but I'm not sure if I'm able to use it without any additional hardware
23:36 < ayecee> if you could expand the acronym, that might help
23:36  * [R] expands ayecee 
23:36  * nevodka dies inside
23:36 < ayecee> me irl
23:37 < [R]> you're dead irl?
23:37 < acresearch> [R]: i know, but is there a script or text that i can use or copy/paste because i can't quit get the correct colours, and some colours might behave differently etc...
23:37 < ayecee> well, dying
23:37 < [R]> how does colors "behave"?
23:37 < ayecee> oxygen inhalation is ultimately fatal
23:38 < SporkWitch> life is a terminal condition
23:38 < WeiJunLi> ayecee: The real name is ANT in fact. Just google it
23:38 < ayecee> WeiJunLi: i guess i'm not familiar with it then.
23:38 < jim> life is a sexually transmitted disease
23:38 < [R]> ayecee: so i wasn't feel well the other day, and i had soup, and i was telling someone at work, about how soup makes you better... he wasn't buying it... i was like "look, every time i'm sick, i have soup, and i get better... therefore, the soup makes me better"... with flawless logic like that...
23:38 < diogenese> birth is the major cause of death too
23:39 < ayecee> [R]: you have a rich future in homeopathics
23:39 < ayecee> homeopathy
23:39 < [R]> ayecee: is that w hen you turn gay?
23:39 < SporkWitch> ayecee: poor comparison, many soups actually have active ingredients in measurable quantities
23:40 < nevodka> my flights taking off, 15 hours long
23:40 < nevodka> please kill
23:40 < ayecee> SporkWitch: lacks dose response relationhsip
23:40 < SporkWitch> [R]: naw, homeopathy is charging 300 USD for a single dram of pure water
23:40 < [R]> SporkWitch: i buy my water for 25 cents a gallon
23:40 < [R]> SporkWitch: but 'dram' sounds like a made up unit... so i'm not quite sure how big it is
23:41 < ayecee> normally used to measure vole's blood
23:41 < SporkWitch> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dram+to+oz&t=ffab&atb=v100-1_f&ia=answer
23:41 < acresearch> [R]: sorry got dc
23:41 < nevodka> i bought a liter of water for $10 at the airport here
23:41 < acresearch> [R]: i know, but is there a script or text that i can use or copy/paste because i can't quit get the correct colours, and some colours might behave differently etc...
23:41 < nevodka> then they made me throw it out at the gate
23:41 < nevodka> :-:
23:41 < ayecee> nevodka: nice, not often you get a price that low
23:41 < nevodka> israel is the worst
23:42 < SporkWitch> nevodka: gotta put it into multiple 2oz bottles; security theatre ftw
23:42 < ayecee> captive market and all that
23:43 < [R]> ayecee: cardassian voles?
23:43 < ayecee> the best kind of voles
23:43 < [R]> acresearch: [02:37:42] <[R]> how does colors "behave"?
23:43 < SporkWitch> [R]: depends on whether they're part of BLM or not
23:44 < acresearch> [R]: no i mean spesific functions might be printed with different colours than the default
23:44 < stefycute> M:-)
23:44 < syb0rg> [R], if slugs and moles can be measurements why not drams?
23:44 < [R]> acresearch: huh?
23:44 < [R]> syb0rg: lol
23:45 < ayecee> sometimes it's difficult to cage the drams to measure them
23:46 < acresearch> [R]: for example if you grep <string> filename etc...   in xfce4-terminal everything is printed in white, but in ubuntu the string is printed in red etc... so instead of coding the colours of every single detial can't i just import the ubuntu terminal theme?
23:46 < [R]> acresearch: tahts just grep outputting color or not
23:46 < [R]> man grep
23:47 < [R]> that has nothing to do with the "terminal theme"
23:47 < SporkWitch> acresearch: depends on a variety of factors, but many things assume if it goes through a pipe it's going to another program's stdin, and so it doesn't bother including the formatting
23:47 < syb0rg> acresearch, I think that might be in an alias from ubuntu's default .bashrc file
23:47 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: it is
23:47 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: you can do similar to get colourful manpages
23:47 < syb0rg> there's the answer, then. Get ubuntu's default .bashrc and copy what you want acresearch
23:47 < LtL> syb0rg: put:  alias grep='grep --color=auto' in ~/.bashrc
23:48 < debkad> acresearch: add this alias grep='grep --color=auto' to your ~/.bashrc
23:48 < debkad> you are fast
23:48 < acresearch> ok
23:49 < LtL> acresearch: then source .bashrc or restart the term
23:49 < jim> I knew I heard of a dram before, it's 1/8 oz
23:49 < syb0rg> ah I usually just call that an eigth
23:49 < ayecee> one of those funny imperial units
23:49 < syb0rg> =P
23:49 < triceratux> http://pastebin.centos.org/693786/raw/
23:49  * triceratux has completed the audit & is embarking on the inventory
23:50 < SporkWitch> yeah, they're really not used anymore, but they are in homeopathy; it's part of the scam
23:50 < SporkWitch> re: dram
23:50 < [R]> ayecee: the empire is no laughing matter
23:50 < acresearch> guys i am not talking spesifically about grep and bash, i was just giving an example of how importing the theme is better than going through every line and changing it
23:50 < ayecee> the empire is dead. long live the queen!
23:50  * LtL answered the wrong guy. pfft.
23:50 < [R]> acresearch: grep coloring has nothing to do with any terminatel theme
23:51 < [R]> ayecee: wrong empire
23:51 < SporkWitch> terminal themes set the basic colours for background, text, and highlight; they do not affect the syntax highlighting and other features in the terminal
23:51 < acresearch> [R]: fine, bad example
23:51 < syb0rg> acresearch, if you want the terminal to look like ubuntu I think ubuntu's .bashrc is all you need.
23:51 < SporkWitch> (more accurately, other features in the applications running in the terminal)
23:51 < acresearch> SporkWitch: oh ok
23:51 < acresearch> syb0rg: oh ok
23:51 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: he'd need both, because there's a theme applied as well that sets the default text, background, and highlight colours
23:52 < syb0rg> ok SporkWitch, you're probably right
23:52 < debkad> Hey jim
23:52 < jim> hi debkad
23:53 < cluelessperson> question why is it "bad form" to use root on a machine typically?
23:53 < cluelessperson> for personal servers, does it matter?
23:53 < SporkWitch> https://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+you+should+not+use+root
23:53 < syb0rg> cluelessperson, because you can mess shit up as root easily. The extra step of having to type sudo is supposedly safer. That's the reason I've heard. Also, it's convenient
23:54 < jim> not bad form, it's just that you can do much more (and therefore much more damage) as root than as a user
23:54 < Disconsented> Its like leaving your doors and windows unlocked
23:54 < SporkWitch> all those free fish :'(
23:54 < Disconsented> then leaving the house
23:54 < Disconsented> in a shitty area
23:54 < cluelessperson> syb0rg: well, for me, typically when I goto some machine, it's BECAUSE I need to setup stuff using root
23:54 < debkad> lol
23:54 < Disconsented> cluelessperson> Sudo
23:54 < cluelessperson> syb0rg: like configure applications and permissions and leave, then I access the services normally elsewise
23:54 < cluelessperson> so, if I'm always using root, sudo seems like an annoying thing
23:54 < SporkWitch> that's what sudo is for; follow the link posted
23:55 < cluelessperson> SporkWitch: obviously
23:55 < cluelessperson> I know about sudo guys
23:55 < Disconsented> then use it
23:55 < SporkWitch> follow the link; it answers your question
23:55 < syb0rg> SporkWitch, lmgtfy is not exactly a helpful source lol.
23:55 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: it is when it's a google question with a fuckload of excellent hits on the first page
23:56 < debkad> use a virtual system and use sudo all the time
23:56 < cluelessperson> OMFg, you're not seeming to think
23:56 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: posted by a prodigious troll
23:56 < syb0rg> lol ok
23:56 < cluelessperson> OBVIOUSLY, you should avoid running shit as root, so sudo is for people to work as their own logins, like if you have office workers managing equipment
23:56 < ayecee> mind the language please
23:57 < SporkWitch> if you know this then why are you wasting our time with a google question?
23:57 < cluelessperson> BUT, if you have 1 person that only ever logs in to use ROOT, the extra steps of doing sudo every time is annoying (for me)
23:57 < syb0rg> hmm, is there an SI replacement for f***load ayecee?
23:57 < ayecee> syb0rg: a lot
23:57 < Disconsented> cluelessperson> Doesnt matter if its annoying
23:57 < Disconsented> its to save your ass
23:57 < SporkWitch> even in that scenario you shouldn't be logging in as root; follow the link, it tells you why
23:57 < cluelessperson> so, I'm just wondering if there's any other sane pro other than, "it makes it harder to mistype something"
23:57 < hexnewbie> sudo and su don't add a significant layer of security over login as root, if a local login is involved they might be even more insecure, as anyone who takes control of your original user account can sniff your TTY and get your passwords
23:57 < Disconsented> with sudo !! it really isnt annoying either
23:57 < Disconsented> just do it properly
23:57 < [R]> cluelessperson: you're doing things wrong if you have to use sudo 'every time'
23:57 < SporkWitch> hexnewbie: that's not the only reason
23:57 < Disconsented> so whinging
23:57 < Disconsented> stop*
23:58 < ayecee> brit detected
23:58 < triceratux> cluelessperson: it makes it easier for scripts to run which arent expecting to be run as root
23:58 < cluelessperson> Disconsented: [R] how am I doing things wrong.   Servers are for running services, right?
23:58 < [R]> cluelessperson: what are you doing that you nee dto use sudo 'every time'
23:58 < cluelessperson> Disconsented: So, I only log into my servers when I intend to access things by other users all over the place, and modify the system/applications
23:58 < SporkWitch> syb0rg: see what i mean? he's not the worst troll, but he's a troll nonetheless.  It's all intended to foment argument
23:59 < cluelessperson> [R]:   "oh hey, let's change this other application owned by another system user, let's reconfigure this hard drive, let's change the network config"
23:59 < ayecee> t-bomb launched
23:59 < syb0rg> oh snap
23:59 < cluelessperson> You don't do anything else in linux servers
23:59 < cluelessperson> typically
23:59 < SporkWitch> cluelessperson: follow the link
23:59  * Psi-Jack snaps his fingers.
23:59 < cluelessperson> SporkWitch: I DID, jesus christ, and the first results are all stupid answers.
23:59 < debkad> ok I don't hear
23:59 < [R]> cluelessperson: you can do wahtever you want... if ou waant to login as root, go for it
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