05:14 < triceratux> storge: check the comments to this post. like me they view it as a triviality https://itsfoss.com/gksu-replacement-ubuntu/
05:18 < storge> it is trivial, but if you don't have all the gvfs deps installed, and you rarely/never need root for graphical apps... why bother at all :)
05:23 < triceratux> im obviously missing something. i just said sudo mousepad /etc/resolv.conf from an ordinary X11 terminal session & it invoked it & let me modify & save the file. gksu has always been unnecessary
05:24 < storge> have you set visudo or similar in the past? because i've never been able to run/edit graphically as root without some form of priv elevation (like gksu provided)
05:25 < storge> admin:///etc/default/
05:25 < storge> oops
05:26 < storge> i just tried the same with geany: sudo geany /etc/resolv.conf  ... Unable to init server, could not connect: connection refused, cannot open display
05:26 < triceratux> storge: well yeah i run nothing but singleuser desktop systems & they all have sudoers with ROOT ALL=(ALL) ALL in them
05:26 < storge> same as it ever was
05:26 < storge> ah so well you won't see it then :)
05:26 < triceratux> ok i get it. its going to be an issue
05:27 < storge> well, only if you *need* that ability, which... seems like most don't *need* but *like*
05:28 < storge> sudo nano in a term works perfectly well for me. --even better with a good .nanorc
05:32 < triceratux> ah i can get it to do that. invoke it in a console (snogpad:23406): Mousepad-ERROR **: 20:31:58.765: Cannot open display:
05:33 < triceratux> dont invoke it in a console. invoke it from a terminal in X11. urxvt, xfce4-terminal, xterm
05:33 < storge> i was trying that from an xterm
05:34 < storge> just tried in urxvt, same result as with xterm
05:34 < triceratux> well i can only get it to fail from a console. but then this is swagarch so all bets are off anyway
05:34 < storge> but like i said, it's no bother. more of a curiosity for me
06:01 < triceratux> https://increment.com/programming-languages/cobol-all-the-way-down/
06:03 < genewitch> hello! I am trying to use ffmpeg to write a series of images with v4l2 input. google assumes i want to convert a series of images to a video so i can't find the "patterned" output settings. Is there a better tool to do this? I want to output 1920x1080 .png files in series
06:06 < genewitch> also how do i determine if webcam supports raw format, and how can i tell ffmpeg to use the raw data?
06:06 < nai> genewitch: -vframe
06:08 < genewitch> nai: -vframe, not -vframes? lemme manpage that real quick. any idea on the pattern?
06:08 < nai> yes, -vframes
06:08 < nai> the pattern? i don't know what you mean
06:10 < genewitch> filename%0d.png i guess
06:10 < genewitch> i got that. now to figure out the raw part
06:12 < nai> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Webcam
06:14 < kajika> genewitch: I hope I'm not too late I think you are looking for the keyword 'slideshow' -> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Slideshow
06:15 < genewitch> kajika: maybe, i'll look. i just need 5000 .png output
06:15 < genewitch> however long that takes
06:15 < kajika> genewitch: for the input pattern the glob pattern can be very powerful
06:15 < genewitch> kajika: input is webcam
06:15 < nai> no, they're looking for the opposite
06:15 < genewitch> not files
06:15 < genewitch> :-D
06:15 < kuri0> How do I load a ICC generated with Windows calibrate display ? I copied it from C:/Windows/System32/spool/drivers/color/ but when I use Xcalib to load it nothing happens
06:16 < nai> genewitch: did you find what you wanted for the raw data?
06:16 < genewitch> nai: i think it uses raw by default, you have to specify mjpeg otherwise
06:17 < rosa> Does anyone work with fmemopen
06:17 < genewitch> Stream #0:0: Video: rawvideo (YUY2 / 0x32595559), yuyv422, 1920x1080, 165888 kb/s, 5 fps, 5 tbr, 1000k tbn, 1000k tbc
06:17 < kajika> nai: ah ok my bad
06:17 < rosa> 5 fps? (◉-◉)
06:17 < nai> genewitch: did you try the command under "List device capabilities" ?
06:17 < rosa> Why such low fps? ;-;
06:18 < nai> genewitch: you're probably right, it outputs raw video by default
06:18 < genewitch> nai: no, but that did help, i realized that the YUVY is raw
06:18 < genewitch> it even says in the status screen it's rawvideo
06:18 < nai> ye
06:18 < nai> rosa: no, but ask anyway,
06:21 < genewitch> rosa: raspberry pi is very slow, it's actually only doing about 1.2fps
06:21 < genewitch> have a better SBC but i want to get the camera working before i switch computers
06:25 < kajika> I have a question : I was reading this : https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8fh9om/snapd_creates_a_homesnap_folder_for_use_of_all/ (giving the old reddit link :) ) yesterderday and read several people complaining about the ~/.config  ~/.cacheuse by softwares. I thought this was a good approach and I cannot find better location for cache/config. If not what would be better?
06:35 < jim> kajika, what would be good or bad would depend on what you want
06:39 < rosa> Why not just give it a unique name -_-
06:46 < kuri0> How do I load a ICC generated with Windows calibrate display ? I copied it from C:/Windows/System32/spool/drivers/color/ but when I use Xcalib to load it nothing happens
06:57 < Kremator> guys, a good lightweight screen recorder you could recomend?
06:58 < Triffid_Hunter> Kremator: obs?
06:59 < nai> ffmpeg
06:59 < Kremator> Triffid_Hunter, preferably something that is on major distros repos
06:59 < Triffid_Hunter> Kremator: gentoo has obs, dunno about others
06:59 < Kremator> nai, a good front end for it? i though it was only a codec
06:59 < nai> Kremator: it has a command line
07:00 < nai> see "man ffmpeg" or the website
07:00 < nai> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Capture/Desktop
07:02 < Kremator> nai, érfect, now a good way of measuring sector by it's absolute pixel coordinates on screen?
07:02 < Kremator> im trying to record an small fragment of a video from a webpage
07:03 < nai> 1) use slop or similar tool to select a screen region with your mouse
07:03 < nai> 2) plug that into ffmpeg's command line
07:04 < Kremator> nai, hoylshit nice, this slop tool is great! :D
07:05 < Kremator> (i really needed something like this some time ago)
07:05 < nai> :)
07:07 < Kremator> nai, the output of the screen iw ant to record it's 844x475+252+202, that its 844x475 resolution with a upper left corner starting at 252.202 coordinates right?
07:07 < nai> yes
07:08 < Kremator> nai, ty :)
07:08  * Kremator gives a cookie to nai
07:08  * nai nom nom nom
07:16 < Kremator> mm guys, does firefox works with pulseaudio still right?
07:16  * Kremator sighs
07:17 < drakonis> yes
07:17 < drakonis> yes it does
07:20 < quizme> hi, I'm trying to stop bacula on CentOS, but getting "Failed to stop bacula.service: Unit bacula.service not loaded."
07:20 < quizme> does anybody here know how to stop bacula ?
07:20 < jim> Kremator, what's your situation/
07:20 < jim> ?
07:20 < quizme> https://pastebin.com/M1MRG6DQ
07:20 < ngc0202> don't steal his leap
07:20 < Dominian> quizme: it's probably named something else
07:20 < Dominian> and not just bacula
07:21 < Dominian> it's been a while, but bacula can run three different services
07:21 < Kremator> jim, well, im trying to record an small video of an internet video, if i do just use pulseaudio with "defgault" source, well it record my built in microphone
07:21 < Kremator> but i want to record the sound from firefox
07:21 < Dominian> bacula-sd, bacula-fd, and one other.. can't recall the name
07:21 < Dominian> been a long while since I used bacula
07:22 < jim> Kremator, maybe jackd?
07:22 < jim> what dist are you running?
07:23 < jim> you probably need the bridges too
07:23 < Kremator> jim, xubuntu 17.10
07:23 < Kremator> i will use that as last resource
07:24 < Kremator> im trying to figure out pulseuadio inputs yet
07:24 < nai> Kremator: you're trying to record a video... from a video?
07:24 < Kremator> nai, yeap
07:24 < nai> can't you just download it and edit it?
07:24 < jim> ok, that's a debian deriv... and you can get the debianized sources to cadence, which manages jack and the bridges
07:24 < Kremator> nai, yeah, but that would use lots of bandwidth
07:24 < quizme> Dominian: thank you!!! that was it.... it's called bacula-{fd,sd,dir}
07:24 < nai> ..meh
07:24 < Kremator> im on very poor internet connection and i have only loaded on the web player the part i wanted to record
07:25 < nai> well, good luck with that
07:25 < jim> 'let me find the sources
07:25 < nai> btw what i'd do is record the video and the audio separately (audacity for the audio) and then edit them together
07:26 < Dominian> quizme: ahh yes bacula-dir.. that's what it was
07:26 < Dominian> :)
07:27 < Kremator> nai, jim, probasbly i would end up just recording the video part and call ti a day
07:33 < jim> found it
07:34 < jim> do you want the links
07:34 < jim> ?
07:34 < Kremator> jim, yes!
07:37 < jim> ok, sec, let me suss this out
07:37 < Kremator> jim, okay? you seems to be the type of guy that does have over 100 tabs in his browser
07:37 < jim> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-debian/apps/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cadence/cadence_0.8.1+git20170711.dsc
07:38 < jim> and http://ppa.launchpad.net/kxstudio-debian/apps/ubuntu/pool/main/c/cadence/cadence_0.8.1+git20170711.tar.gz
07:39 < Kremator> jim, whats cadence?
07:39 < jim> those two files together are the debianized source
07:39 < bullgard4> [Debian unstable Xfce4] https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/libumfpack5: "Package: libumfpack5 (1:5.2.0+dfsg-1 and others) … The UMFPACK library provides a set of routines solving sparse linear systems via LU factorization." <-- What do the letters »UM« stand for in the name "UMFPACK"?
07:40 < jim> it's a small app that manages jackd and the bridges, and also those sources build katya, claudia, and a few other tools
07:41 < jim> like a midi keyboard thing
07:42 < jim> you need to install build-essential and some other things to build them
07:43 < Kremator> jim, arent those programs inside the repository?
07:43 < jim> some of them yes
07:44 < jim> well the thing is I run debian, and you run ubuntu... similar, but ubuntu may be growing apart
07:44 < kavity> Ubuntu is growing into a cesspit...
07:44 < notmike> Jim is Debian
07:45 < jim> I am not two people!
07:45 < jim> (one of hom is no longer with us...)
07:45 < jim> let me look for this ting
07:45 < notmike> notjim
07:46 < jim> yes, you're notjim and notmike
07:46 < notmike> We are all notjim and we are all notmike.
07:47  * Kremator wishes eh was noCavities
07:48 < jim> how can be beeeee two people at once.... when we're not anyonnnnnnnnnne at allllllllllllll...
07:48 < Kremator> jim, source?
07:48 < jim> yeah, to extract it you need the package dpkg-dev
07:49 < JackMa> hello i want to learn advanced linux, i already know basic linux. how can i do it?
07:49 < Kremator> jim, lol i meant, source of the lyrics
07:49 < Kremator> JackMa, install DDebian with non-graphgical expert isntaller
07:49 < jim> paraphrased Firesign Theatre
07:50 < sauvin> JackMa, what do you consider "advanced Linux"?
07:50 < Kremator> JackMa, then learn how to harden it
07:50 < Kremator> JackMa, then, apply for an internship at red Hat
07:50 < JackMa> DDebian? Kremator ?
07:50 < Kremator> after you get kicked because you knew debian and not CentSO/fedora/RHEL
07:50 < Kremator> learn one of those, an get back applying for the internship at RedHat JackMa
07:51 < Kremator> repeat until get internship
07:51 < Kremator> get ez $$$
07:51 < JackMa> sauvin: it means that i know only ls cd cp or something, but i want know it more
07:51 < jim> JackMa, linux and unix in general is pretty much a whizkid at supporting programming tools, and letting you use them
07:51 < sauvin> JackMa, what is your long-term goal?
07:52 < JackMa> linux adminstrator
07:52 < Kremator> JackMa, seriously talking, if you want to learn more, you have to ask yourself what do you wanna do with linux?
07:52 < JackMa> sauvin:
07:52 < sauvin> Got that. Go to school.
07:52 < jim> JackMa, but always remember... an ex is a has-been... and a spert is a drip under pressure... put em together, you got an expert!
07:52 < Kremator> i mean, general support/fixing stuff at it? learning how to setup a server? learning how to program in it?
07:52 < Disconsented> he wants to 'be a hacker'
07:52 < Kremator> Disconsented, tbh that's what got me here first
07:52 < JackMa> Disconsented: oh
07:53 < Kremator> then i stayed because efficiency
07:53 < jim> JackMa, that's one out of many things you can do
07:53 < JackMa> ok anyway can you give me link?
07:53 < Kremator> JackMa, if you want to be sysadmin for linux, start with something  easy :
07:53 < Kremator> how to use SSH and SCP
07:54 < Kremator> those 2 programs are used to connect remotely to a linux machine
07:54 < JackMa> Kremator: lol i already know ssh and scp
07:54 < Kremator> and send data between them
07:54 < JackMa> Kremator: yeah i know it already
07:54 < Kremator> JackMa, Then learn about basic networking and how to setup UFW
07:54 < dka> Does anybody see why I have "sed: -e expression #1, char 39: unterminated address regex" when I run the sed following sed command : `sed -i '/"pre-commit": [/a\\    "build:readme",' package.json`
07:54 < JackMa> UFW
07:54 < JackMa> ?
07:54 < JackMa> what is UFW?
07:54 < domhnall> heh, basic linux
07:54 < Kremator> JackMa, it's a front end for the standard linux firewall "iptables"
07:55 < jim> united farm workers?
07:55 < Kremator> JackMa, you can learn to manipulate raw iptables if you want aswell
07:55 < Kremator> jim, more like Unity For Weebs
07:55 < JackMa> ok then give me link Kremator
07:55 < JackMa> link for iptables
07:56 < Kremator> JackMa, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-a-firewall-with-ufw-on-an-ubuntu-and-debian-cloud-server
07:56 < jim> one thing you can do towards becoming an expert is to learn all the little programs
07:56 < Kremator> oh well, for iptables i dont have anyone at hand, i learn how to use it ove the march
07:56 < JackMa> it is all?
07:56 < JackMa> too small
07:56 < Kremator> jim, like learning sed?
07:57 < jim> learn the shell, learn grep, head, tail, sort, echo, (and yes sed),
07:57 < JackMa> if i m good at linux then i can work in company?
07:57 < Kremator> everybody knows if you want to be a leetnux hacker you need to know how to code in python and use vim or emac in cli 24/7
07:57 < Kremator> JackMa, ofc
07:58 < jim> where was I...
07:58 < JackMa> Kremator: i know python and vim, but i don’t use emac
07:58 < eletious> JackMa: why not learn a programming language?  a scripting language like Bash, Ruby, Python, etc can be a pretty useful tool
07:58 < ruslangaripov> dka: because `[` in address requires `\` escape character before it?
07:58 < JackMa> if i know linux well, then i can make crypto currency?
07:58 < Kremator> jim, you were on "for learning linux at deep you need to learn/undestand all the basic tools like sed, grep, tails,  sort, etc
07:58 < jim> oh, Kremator, do you have dpkg-dev installed?
07:58 < JackMa> eletious: i m good at programming already
07:59 < Kremator> jim, yeah, but i paused the whole thing because i have a bigger problem atm
07:59 < dka> ruslangaripov, very good I wasn't sure, the error was indicating another char pos
07:59 < jim> Kremator, in order to use linux, you need to understand the individual programs you can use in the userland
07:59 < Kremator> JackMa, crypto currencies doesnt have to do anything at all in linux, they are os indepently (most of the time)
08:00 < JackMa> ok
08:00 < Kremator> jim, but that's wrong, because then you would be elarning userland ands gnu stuff
08:00 < eletious> you... want to make a cryptocurrency?  It sounds like you would, specifically, want to pick up compiled languages and study compsci
08:00 < Kremator> he wants to learn LINUX
08:00 < Kremator> he means the kernel
08:00 < cluelessperson>  /join #deluge
08:00 < cluelessperson> ... sorry
08:00 < sauvin> JackMa, in what languages do you program, and what kinds of programs do you write?
08:00 < JackMa> i will do linux specialist  in 1 month x(
08:00 < Kremator> he wants to learn how to do mofo raw syscalls
08:00 < jim> Kremator, which you need to know in order to put linux to work for you
08:00 < Kremator> JackMa, learn what is dbus and why major distros use it
08:01 < JackMa> sauvin: i make program related with investment
08:01 < JackMa> dbus
08:01 < sauvin> "related with"?
08:01 < JackMa> yes sauvin
08:01 < Kremator> JackMa, if you want to learn linux you have a very basic skill : patience
08:01 < snugger> Does anybody here use PCLinuxOS?
08:01 < kavity> I'm trying to code a calendar to add to my todo program, but I think I've drank too much to figure this out properly...
08:01 < Kremator> you must have*
08:01 < JackMa> program give me 80~90% revenue per month
08:02 < sauvin> Also: focus. Also: attention to detail. Also: ability to answer questions clearly and completely. Analytical ability is mandatory.
08:02 < JackMa> who want to see my program?
08:02 < JackMa> c program?
08:02 < eletious> i'm actually learning C now, would love to see it
08:02 < kavity> I'd have a look at it.
08:02 < sauvin> You've not even described the program yet save to say it's "related with investment".
08:02 < jim> do you have it on github?
08:03 < Kremator> sauvin, you sound like the usual dev job offer " we want psychopaths in specialities, that knows 10 languages and 25 frameworks, have less than 23 yrs old, is graduated in 2 unis, and have 10 yrs of experience obligatory"
08:03 < kavity> I'm writing in C++ at the moment.
08:03 < domhnall> JackMa: upstream link : https://www.netfilter.org/projects/iptables/index.html (iptables)
08:03 < Disconsented> C is a pain but thankfully Rust is a thing
08:03 < JackMa> thanks domhnall :)
08:03 < sauvin> Kremator, you laugh, but it's happened. In 1997, I saw an ad for a developer who had a minimum of five year's experience in Windows 2000.
08:03 < domhnall> gotta love raw loops :)
08:03 < domhnall> np JackMa
08:04  * domhnall means you're welcome and not a problem
08:04 < Kremator> C is a pain, but thankfully every language is inspired in syntax by it, so if you learn it you could understand easily any other
08:04 < JackMa> anyway program that i make tell me something that i can earn 80~90% revenue per month. it is my greatest work in my life till now
08:04 < kavity> I wrote my todo list program(which I made in C++) in python and it went from ~300 lines to 35 lines... But I don't want to use python. aybe I'll look at this rust.
08:04 < kavity> Kremator: C is not a pain. :(
08:05 < domhnall> JackMa: sounds like you'd enjoy bug bounties.
08:05 < eletious> JackMa: could you link us to your project
08:05 < JackMa> oh
08:05 < Kremator> kavity, not for me, but i started on it so i can understand if a foreigner a rubybabies call it a pain, because it can be a pain really
08:05 < JackMa> but it is in my outer hard drive eletious
08:06 < kavity> All languages can be a pain when you can't get your code working.
08:06 < JackMa> it have code over 100000 lines, and size includeing data is 10GB program
08:07 < JackMa> it is too hard work to make it
08:07 < Kremator> kavity, true, JS can be a paint in the ass, and is easily one of the easiest lang. out there
08:07 < Disconsented> JS drives me up a fucking wall
08:07 < sauvin> C is a greater pain than most of the other languages I use now. I used to use C but I seriously doubt I could return to it.
08:07 < jim> kavity, pretend he said "C is a pain -for me-"
08:07 < eletious> i don't hate C, it's... a language. Coming from Ruby Automation Testing Funland, at least I can read the C syntax
08:07 < Kremator> Disconsented, those fuckign if(/) evaluations that are "falsy" or "trueish" because the lack of consistency on the primitive types
08:08 < sauvin> Kremator, mind the language.
08:08 < kavity> jim: That's better. ;)
08:08 < JackMa> what want my program? then show me your email. then i will send it to you.
08:08 < JackMa> who want my program?
08:08 < eletious> :/
08:08 < jim> kavity, so you see, it's -his- experience of C
08:08 < Spookan> Email 10GB?
08:09 < Kremator> JackMa, not me, im pirating 30 sec of a video because i dont have bandwidsth to download the whole thing, less bandwidth i would have to download 100000 lines of code
08:09 < kavity> 10GB of code for something I have no idea what it is/does hmm....
08:09 < eletious> JackMa i hate to sound distrustful, but you're giving off some weird vibes
08:09 < Kremator> eletious, weird? dude it's obvious he works for a goverment
08:10 < JackMa> ok No one want it, you give up chance to become billionaire
08:10 < JackMa> :(
08:10 < Kremator> he is trying to "hook" some people for the CIA/NSA
08:10 < jim> Kremator, you might need to install a lot of packages to build this... did you say you don't have a lot of bandwidth?
08:10 < Kremator> or maybe the MI6 british
08:10 < ttyX> Isn't that MI5?
08:10 < Kremator> jim, yeah, that's why i didnt do jackshit about it, but i bookmarked cadence links
08:10 < Kremator> probably gonna do it tomorrow
08:10 < jim> there's probably a lot of MIs
08:10 < kavity> jim: I often forget that solipsism is not reality, and that other peoples experiences are not actually mine.
08:11 < Kremator> ttyX, i think they changed the name again and the current one is either MI6 or another different nomenclature
08:11 < JackMa> 80~90% per month is not small
08:11 < JackMa> :(
08:11 < JackMa> bye
08:11 < promach2> How does https://github.com/VectorBlox/linux-xlnx/blob/mxp/include/linux/compiler-gcc.h#L104 find out the value of ##x here ?
08:11 < ttyX> well there are two apparently, mi5 and mi6
08:12 < Kremator> ttyX, does mi5 still exist?
08:12 < Kremator> whats the difference
08:12 < ttyX> One's domestic, the other is international
08:12 < Kremator> ttyX, which one does have peope for the "interrogatories" with waterboarding and electrical abuse?
08:13 < ttyX> that'd be both I'm guessing
08:13 < jim> kavity, this is important learning... once you know that another person has their own experiences, there is the concept: you can't really argue with their experience.... "I'm opening a door, and I have the experience of feeling the doorknob..." "NO you don't!"
08:14 < Kremator> jim, you can't argue ith other peoples' experiences, but you can not allow it as a fact inside your brain just ebcause that person or you rejects to concede
08:14 < kavity> jim: You are fullof great wisdom. I will cease my self absorbed nature.
08:16 < Kremator> jim, i miss your theater scenification about pipes :(
08:16 < jim> kavity, it's not a big deal... it's just one piece, and you don't have to beat yourself up over it
08:18 < jim> kavity, because: the other person you were speaking to, also has to realize that you have -your- own experience with C
08:20 < jim> sauvin for example says he probably doesn't want to return to C, and -generally- speaking, that's due to his "map" of how he experiences the world
08:20 < sauvin> It's my "map" of how I experience coding, that's a fact. I *remember* C, and used to love it, but wouldn't relish working with it now that I've had exposure to such languages as erlang.
08:21 < _stuart> I didn't like erlang...
08:21 < sauvin> I like the way it "thinks".
08:21 < _stuart> maybe I should give c a look ;)
08:21 < eletious> learning C is a weird way to get UNIX history lessons.  I don't know if my quality of life is improved knowing that there's an old program called "wc" that just gets the world count
08:22 < sauvin> "world count"?
08:22 < _stuart> no, word count
08:22 < eletious> whoops
08:22 < sauvin> Writing your own wc, though, could teach you a great deal.
08:22 < snugger> Sometimes I question my morality. I'm using software like systemd. Poettering said it's free. But I'm starting to wonder what that really means
08:22 < kavity> jim: Forsure. Everyone has different opinions about everything based upon their experiences. I've been up too long working, then coding and drinking, my empathy has been hindered. When eventually I sleep, I will come back better and not so quick to push my opinions as if they are gospel.
08:23 < kavity> I should sleep now, but I have to work in 2 hours anyway...
08:23 < _stuart> drive to work, sleep there
08:23 < jim> sauvin, yeah I have similar experience with several languages that dynamically allocate objects, and have a garbage collector for no-longer-used objects
08:23 < Kremator> ok guys, do you know a basic video editor that doesnt weight too much?
08:23 < kavity> _stuart: I work on a boat. I have to travel about 50 steps to get to my place of work from my cabin.
08:24 < Kremator> is just for trimming some second of a video
08:24 < kavity> Openshot video editor?
08:24 < sauvin> Kremator, "video editor" implies weight, period.
08:24 < _stuart> kavity: oh, neato
08:24 < _stuart> openshot I guess :/
08:24 < Kremator> sauvin, :/ , maybe a way od fdoing such trimming, but with ffmpeg by terminal?
08:24 < _stuart> but I agree with sauvin...
08:24 < kavity> I'venever really used it, but it's installedby default with my ubuntu studio.
08:25 < sauvin> I've used openshot and like it. A LOT. I've also used kdenlive, I think it is, and like IT a lot, too. Problem: both are prone to crashing.
08:25 < kavity> kdenlive is also installed, and never used...
08:25 < _stuart> I found sticking to 1080p or 720p helped keep thing light...
08:25 < _stuart> 4k, you're in for pain...
08:26 < kavity> Hehe, my laptop probably can't even play 4k videos let alone edit them . :)
08:26 < _stuart> yeah, most peoples setups lag bad, drop frames
08:26 < sauvin> I don't know ffmpeg, but seem to remember using mencoder (part of the mplayer suite) for grabbing video chunks.
08:26 < _stuart> laptop, mmm forget it ;)
08:27 < kavity> _stuart: It can play nethack, what more does one need.
08:27 < _stuart> kavity: I downloaded the win32 version here tonight, expecting to play it...
08:27 < _stuart> kavity: forgot I was using linux (ha!)
08:28 < jim> well the only thing I've used ffmpeg for is to convert files between different formats (like, .wav to .mp3)
08:28  * _stuart consults the book of Ishtar..
08:29 < sagax> hi all!
08:30 < sagax> how to make access from simply user to something systemctl services?
08:31 < domhnall> sudo ?
08:31 < sagax> i want without root - restart some services
08:31 < sagax> without sudo
08:31 < sagax> without su
08:32 < domhnall> give an idea of what you mean exactly
08:33 < sagax> i can reload some.service but with root
08:33 < sagax> i want reload some.service without root
08:34 < sagax> systemctl restart some.service  <- i want make this without root require
08:34 < RayTracer> why?
08:34 < sagax> it's another questions
08:34 < sagax> and not matter for me
08:34 < RayTracer> and I'm asking it
08:34 < RayTracer> I'm curious
08:35 < jim> sagax, sysadmins generally like to prevent most users on their system from making changes to services (which are more generally "shared resources")
08:35 < kavity> For the calendar program I'm making I wrote it to get the month as a number(1-12), then used a switch case to convert that month to the name(january-december), instead of just using %M instead of %m ... maybe it's time to stop coding....
08:35 < OtakuSenpai> sagax: add your user to the root group?
08:35 < sagax> not
08:35 < sagax> i want reload some.service
08:35 < sagax> only some.service
08:36 < sagax> not network.service, or other, only some.service
08:36 < sagax> i can be?
08:36 < sagax> it*
08:36 < eletious> sagax I don't think you can unless you get added to the appropriate group - thinking of Docker's services, which require you to be in the Docker group iirc
08:39 < cluelessperson> anyone here have experience with firewalls?
08:39 < kavity> sagax: Add the prper user/group to your *.service file?
08:39 < sagax> kavity: maybe, will try
08:39 < jim> sagax, it's a similar situation: you have a large busy computer lab used by students in your school... but a problem has come up: the printer, which uses continuous-form paper, the students are always changing wht top-of-form, so the next student tries to print, and it's not exactly the same result...
08:39 < RayTracer> maybe just use a user service
08:39 < kavity> Under [Service]. That's all I can think of, and that might be completely wrong.
08:40 < jim> sagax, so, the lab manager has decided to move the printers into the office... this has solved the top-of-form issue
08:40 < RayTracer> it's always funny when people ask "how to do X but without Y and Z" while Y and Z are exactly built to do X
08:41 < jim> and of course, no one gets to go into the office without permission
08:41 < RayTracer> then you ask "why" and you get "none of your business"
08:42 < jim> sagax, this is also an issue touching on the problems around people getting along with other people
08:42 < jim> sagax, but I get your situation, you don't have thousands of users on your machine, all sharing one printer...
08:42 < sagax> RayTracer: i just run one app with systemd service, and i want restart it without root access
08:43 < RayTracer> sagax: if your app doesn't require root permission, just run it as a user service
08:43 < sagax> only for this service, not total
08:43 < ruslangaripov> dka: Did you fix your regex?
08:44 < RayTracer> like in systemctl --user instead of systemctl --system
08:44 < dka> ruslangaripov, thanks to you
08:44 < dka> You fixed it
08:44 < sagax> RayTracer: my app not require root, but systemd - require
08:44 < ghostyy> hi, im having trouble loading a kernel module, i just compiled it and made sure it was the same kernel version and etc
08:44 < ghostyy> https://bpaste.net/show/22d456e1b729
08:44 < sagax> i place service to /etc/systemd/system and all work
08:45 < sagax> but it's require root
08:45 < RayTracer> this is by design
08:45 < ghostyy> it also prints https://bpaste.net/show/a012cb9ffde5
08:45 < ghostyy> i guess its the "invalid relocation target" error thats preventing it from being loaded
08:48 < sagax> RayTracer: bad
08:48 < domhnall> sagax: sorry dosed off, but if you dont want sudo, then look into using your octal codes? (iirc)
08:48 < sauvin> Bear in mind that sudo can have per-user and per-command granularity.
08:48 < RayTracer> sagax: why? user privilege separation is one of the more important (and good) things
08:48 < brian|lfs> hello
08:48 < brian|lfs> whats up
08:49 < ghostyy> does anyone know how to fix "invalid relocation target" error on trying to load a kernel module?
08:49 < sagax> RayTracer: heh, root or not root (c) Shakespeare
08:49 < RayTracer> :)
08:49 < sagax> this is not delegate
08:49 < kavity> brian|lfs: Hello. How are you?
08:49 < domhnall> brian|lfs: congrats on the lfs
08:51 < kavity> Ah, I forgot I had disabled joins/parts/quits in this channel, that makes more sense why it's readable now.
08:58 < kavity> Anyone have any experience with owncloud?
08:59 < ghostyy> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6471359/invalid-module-format this says the relocation/invalid module format error can be caused by forgetting -mcmodel=kernel
08:59 < sujeet> kavity: as a user
08:59 < ghostyy> but i checked in the module's makefile and its there
08:59 < ghostyy> so im completely perplexed as to why i cant load this module
09:00 < kavity> sujeet: Is it any good?
09:00 < kavity> I should say, in your experience, did you find it worked well?
09:00 < sujeet> kavity: i think so, yes
09:00 < kavity> One random person on the internet says it's ok, good enough for me! :)
09:01 < sujeet> note that i only used their dropbox clone, and it was setup by a pretty large org on nice bandwidth
09:01 < ghostyy> https://serverfault.com/questions/249743/what-can-be-the-reason-for-invalid-module-format this says that it could be caused by compiler version mismatches even if the kernel version is the same
09:01 < ghostyy> how do i find out what compiler my kernel was compiled with?
09:02 < sujeet> (it might ave been the enterprise version)
09:02 < kavity> sujeet: I have seafile running on my server right now, but owncloud seems to have a calender thingy too.
09:02 < sujeet> i'm sure it's good; the main thing you'll miss on things like this is integration with 3rd party platforms, but that might also be something you want to avoid
09:03 < RayTracer> ghostyy: strings $yourkernel | grep gcc
09:03 < ghostyy> uh... you mean the bzimage?
09:04 < sujeet> hah that's clever
09:04 < kavity> sujeet: I'll give it a shot. I just wanted to ask in case someone popped up and said "In myexperience it's garbage", but a good review is enough for me.
09:04 < sujeet> kavity: report back and we'll double the working knowledge in this chan! :)
09:05 < RayTracer> ghostyy: yes.. results is "(gcc version 6.3.1 20161221 (Red Hat 6.3.1-1) (GCC) )" here
09:05 < kavity> sujeet: Haha, will do! :)
09:05 < ghostyy> 4.15.18 (nixbld@localhost) (gcc version 7.3.0 (GCC)) #1-NixOS SMP Thu Apr 19 06:55:13 UTC 2018
09:05 < ghostyy> ah great
09:05 < ghostyy> thanks!
09:05 < ghostyy> and yes i was using gcc version 6 to compile the module
09:06 < ghostyy> ironically i just found out that the module i wanted was actually included in my distribution the whole time
09:06 < RayTracer> lol
09:06 < kavity> sujeet: I have a server that only hosts two websites,and IRC server,and a Terraria server, so I want to utilize it more. And if I can have all my stuff and not google, that's a bonus.
09:06 < kavity> Google knows enough about me already... probably ore than I know about me. :O
09:08 < sujeet> kavity: i can agree witht aht
09:09 < pihpah> I need a Linux distro that fits on a floppy  disk (1.44M) for a system recovery. Any suggestions?
09:10 < RayTracer> "get newer hardware" is probably the only sane suggestion
09:10 < pihpah> This allows you to upload a binary image (e.g. example.img) with a maximum size of 1.44MB to the Lantronix SLS .This image will be emulated to the host as USB device.
09:10 < pihpah> To be precise.
09:11 < elfranne> https://superuser.com/questions/130457/what-linux-fits-on-a-floppy-disk
09:11 < kavity> I had an argument with someone the other day after nethack decided to stop supportig floppy disks, and said that there was definitely people still using floppy disks.
09:12 < kavity> pihpah: You have proved me right! Thank you.
09:13 < Triffid_Hunter> pihpah: wut.. it has usb but you need to go via a floppy?
09:14 < pihpah> Triffid_Hunter: I am trying to recovey the system on a remote host over KVM console.
09:14 < pihpah> That's the only solution like it seems to be.
09:15 < Triffid_Hunter> pihpah: no bootp or tftp or anything?
09:15 < RayTracer> the KVM consoles I know also allow to attach cd/dvd
09:15 < pihpah> This allows you to share a CD-ROM/DVD image (e.g. example.iso) over a Windows Share with a maximum size of 4.7GB. This image will be emulated to the host as USB device.
09:15 < pihpah> Not my case
09:16 < pihpah> So I have to find a floppy image. Looks like I am in a big trouble.
09:26 < Hyouchuu> Hallo o/
09:28 < sauvin> Hullo!
09:30 < Kremator> Hyouchuu, o/
09:31 < kavity> What the jeepers happened there. :O
09:32 < Hyouchuu> kavity: Ubuntu is going up, Kanye is going down, North and South Korea are friends again, and FaceBook promises to stop stealing your information
09:36 < MrElendig> Hyouchuu: 18.04 was released on the anniversary for the tjernobyl accident, coincidence? I think not!
09:37 < iodev> MrElendig: Really
09:37 < iodev> that's a great idea!
09:37 < iodev> (sarcasm)
09:39 < Hyouchuu> MrElendig: Bionic Beaver? Chernobyl? What could this mean
09:40 < Hyouchuu> Is Canonical creating an army of super powered nuclear beavers?
09:40 < kavity> :O
09:41 < kavity> Is kanye going down because he supports the US president?
09:41 < iodev> Hyouchuu: :D no, but Chernobyl is a calamity :D
09:42 < iodev> I'm not sure I want 18.04 now :D maybe it meltdowns :D
09:43 < iodev> 18.04 Enormous Explosion :D
09:44 < sauvin> I think maybe the term "beaver" might imply that the "nuclearity" has much less to do with physical phenomena as it does with slang reference to an anatomical feature.
09:44 < sauvin> Found, that is, only in a subset of the human species.
09:45 < Hyouchuu> iodev: I like 18.04, they finally got rid of Unity
09:46 < Hyouchuu> sauvin: Is this beaver that you speak of nuclear powered?
09:48 < CrazyTux> anybody here using Opensuse Leap?
09:50 < brian|lfs> quiet room
09:50 < Hyouchuu> *cough*
09:51 < Hyouchuu> One time I accidentally clicked a link to the Suse website...
09:52 < sauvin> I have Leap in a VM but not poked at it much yet.
09:53 < Hyouchuu> I've actually been interested in Suse, but I've never been able to find enough of a reason to try it out
09:54 < iodev> Hyouchuu: I too like it
09:55 < Hyouchuu> What does it offer me over something like Fedora or Centos?
09:56 < RayTracer> yast
09:56 < sagax> openSUSE - the best
09:56 < junka> omg "the" ?
09:57 < Hyouchuu> RayTracer: is YaST that good?
09:58 < RayTracer> Hyouchuu: I only use it occasionally, but a central place with tui/gui to configure stuff is something that some people want
09:59 < RayTracer> other than yast, it's the usual distro differences.. mostly how the distro's idea of managing a system is
09:59 < Hyouchuu> I've always just enjoyed the way RedHat manages their distros
09:59 < Hyouchuu> It just makes the most sense to me
10:00 < CrazyTux> does Opensuse do better as compared to Ubuntu in such things as software management?
10:00 < CrazyTux> it has yast.
10:01 < anddam> hello
10:02 < anddam> how can I check what transmission speed a wireless driver in my running kernel (iwlwifi in my case) supports?
10:02 < Hyouchuu> I've just recently started using Ubuntu so I can't say, but I've never had a problem with the ol' DNF-/usr/bin-/opt
10:03 < RayTracer> ah, and suse has wicked as network caretaker
10:04 < CrazyTux> I am using Opensuse Leap also. I installed an additional DE on top of it. Later I didn't like it and removed it. But, some traces of it are still left.
10:04 < CrazyTux> I have not been able to completely remove those DEs.
10:04 < Hyouchuu> anddam: Have you tried `lspci | grep -i wireless`?
10:05 < Hyouchuu> CrazyTux: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
10:05 < anddam> Hyouchuu: no I have not
10:06 < CrazyTux> Hyouchuu, yes.
10:06 < anddam> Hyouchuu: it returns the device on PCI bus, but I already knew what it was
10:06 < CrazyTux> when I do sudo zypper dup, some packages of those DEs keep asking for installation.
10:07 < anddam> I've been suggested that the device capabilities and the driver support could be different, specifically I see a Tx rate of 52 Mbps where a close laptop with a much older chipset goes 130 Mbp
10:07 < anddam> Mbps
10:07 < CrazyTux> I had installed xfce which I later removed through yast.
10:08 < Hyouchuu> anddam: What device is it?
10:08 < CrazyTux> when I do zypper dup i.e for distribution upgrade it says that some xfce packages are going to be installed.
10:08 < anddam> it's the internal chipset of a SkyLake i5
10:08 < anddam> Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz
10:09 < anddam> I'm using GNOME network manager (to make life easy) and I couldn't see an option to set the txrate
10:10 < anddam> can I "hot-change" that by mean of iwconfig or some other utility?
10:10 < CrazyTux> is Yast the best among such tools available there?
10:11 < promach2> Why do I have error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6jdk97vktT/ for https://github.com/Xilinx/linux-xlnx/blob/7e719b9a739396ac26b8377e88303e179e44adb7/arch/arm/boot/dts/zynq-zed.dts ?
10:12 < Hyouchuu> anddam: what is the exact output of `lspci | grep -i wireless`?
10:14 < anddam> 01:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 83)
10:17 < MrElendig> doesn't help to try to force the txrate higher if the AP doesn't want to give you more
10:17 < MrElendig> or the signal is too bad
10:18 < Hyouchuu> According to Intel that can go up to 433Mbps. I don't think it would be a controller issue
10:18 < Hyouchuu> anddam: Is your AP set up properly?
10:19 < anddam> Hyouchuu: I don't know how to check that, other than "devices connects and browse without apparent issues"
10:19 < MrElendig> iw phy | curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw
10:20 < anddam> oh, a laptop immediately close to this one connect to "140"
10:20 < CrazyTux> is Mageia easier as compare to Opensuse?
10:20 < Hyouchuu> anddam: Are you having issues with your speed being slow?
10:20 < anddam> I'm not even use what unit of measurement those are, but iwconfig on the problematic one shows 52
10:21 < MrElendig> iw <theinterface> info |  curl -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw
10:21 < MrElendig> post the two resulting urls here
10:21 < MrElendig> iwconfig is deprecated
10:21 < anddam> Hyouchuu: yes, it's perceceivable slower, I checked the signal strength
10:21 < MrElendig> doesn't support nl8011
10:21 < anddam> MrElendig: ok, the other computer is macbookpro tho, I'll paste the data I have
10:22 < MrElendig> that it is a macbook isn't really relevant
10:23 < kraftb> A good day !
10:23 < Armand> g'day, mate!
10:25 < Hyouchuu> kraftb: o/
10:26 < kraftb> Hi !
10:27 < anddam> MrElendig: well, I think it is since it doesn't have iw
10:27 < anddam> I wouldn't know how to get the exact same info you asked on it
10:27 < anddam> https://gist.github.com/anddam/3637fc4f948a073a5a628a61bdf519c3
10:28 < anddam> Hyouchuu, MrElendig: does that suggest anything?
10:29 < MrElendig> some ancient distro?
10:29 < anddam> I'm reading about iw meanwhile
10:29 < MrElendig> and that is only half the output I asked for
10:31 < Hyouchuu> I'm just the greeter, this is way over my pay grade
10:32 < anddam> MrElendig: no, that's the whole from iw
10:32 < anddam> you asked for    iw <iface> info   didn't you?
10:32 < MrElendig> anddam: not from iw phy info
10:32 < MrElendig> I asked for both
10:32 < anddam> oh right, now I see that
10:33 < anddam> reading the help I had just run phy, with interesting results in the Band sections, "Bitrates (non-HT):" shows a maximum of 54 Mbps
10:33 < anddam> actual paste coming
10:34 < anddam> MrElendig: please update the gist
10:35 < anddam> I see Band 1 is the 2.4 Ghz, while Band 2 is the 5 GHz. What makes the available bitrates so low?
10:36 < MrElendig> how old is the kernel and firmware?
10:36 < anddam> version-wise it's 4.1.13, not sure how to check how old it is, it's an Ubuntu system
10:37 < MrElendig> 3160 is known to be troublesome btw
10:37 < anddam> how do I check the firmware age?
10:37 < MrElendig> I would try upgrading the kernel and firmware
10:37 < MrElendig> check the version of the linux-firmware package
10:37 < MrElendig> or whatever package provides the firmware on your distro
10:38 < MrElendig> see which package owns /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-3160-*.ucode (and how high a number it goes up to=
10:39 < anddam> up to 17
10:40 < MrElendig> anddam: also, is your router ac capable?
10:40 < MrElendig> or is it g or n only?
10:40 < anddam> I have linux-firmware 1.157.17
10:40 < anddam> MrElendig: not really sure, it's a locked in all-in-one everything-and-nothing thing from the ISP
10:43 < dealer-> FREEBDS server that keeps rebooting after hardware failure and hardware replacement the OS is unable to go up , the server goes up and then reboot again.
10:43 < MrElendig> iw wlp1s0 link
10:43 < MrElendig> dealer-: #freebsd
10:43 < dealer-> I can boot in single user , what should i do
10:44 < dealer-> Ok MrElendig
10:45 < dealer-> noone is answering there MrElendig
10:46 < MrElendig> patience my young padewa
10:46 < MrElendig> gnu/linux and freebsd are quite different operating systems, we can not help you debug your freebsd issues
10:46 < anddam> MrElendig: https://gist.github.com/anddam/14d80f7a295698f61582cd8cfc9d8fdd
10:46 < anddam> seems the AP is b/g/n
10:47 < MrElendig> atleast try grabbing a newer firmware, may help
10:47 < MrElendig> you can get it from https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git  and just dump it in /lib/firmware
10:48 < MrElendig> then reload the kernel module or reboot
10:48 < anddam> thanks
10:49 < anddam> shoud I get some tag or just master?
10:49 < MrElendig> just grab the iwlwifi-3160-*.ucode from master
10:49 < MrElendig> don't need the other firmwares
10:50 < anddam> yep, noticed
10:50 < anddam> but it's the same version I have
10:50 < anddam> iwlwifi-3160-17.ucode
10:51 < anddam> wow, updated 2013
10:51 < MrElendig> it is an ancient card after all
10:52 < MrElendig> what fw version does dmesg say it loaded?
10:52 < anddam> I figure it's   iwlwifi 0000:01:00.0: loaded firmware version 17.608620.0 op_mode iwlmvm
10:52 < anddam> so 17
10:53 < MrElendig> hmm that should be good
10:53 < anddam> so problematic wifi chipset/driver
10:53 < MrElendig> you are using wpa2 on gnu/linux too?
10:53 < anddam> I think so
10:54 < anddam> can I check that with iw?
10:55 < MrElendig> no, query whichever network manager you are using
10:55 < anddam> GNOME Network Manager
10:56 < MrElendig> if you are using gnome then you can see it in the network connection setting
10:57 < anddam> Network Manager, it only has "WPA and WPA2" setting
10:57 < MrElendig> hmm do iw wlp1s0 station dump too
10:58 < anddam> doesn't provide the encryption tho
11:00 < anddam> I don't remember what the first command was https://gist.github.com/anddam/14d80f7a295698f61582cd8cfc9d8fdd
11:00 < anddam> anyway I can live with "it's a bad combination of hw/sw"
11:00 < anddam> I can eventually drag a cable here
11:01 < anddam> thanks for all the info
11:01 < MrElendig> well signal is sort of weak and the station claim 52mbit max too
11:01 < anddam> MrElendig: that's the issue, IMHO
11:01 < MrElendig> the phy only listing 54mbit is strange though
11:02 < anddam> the 52 Mbit max, the AP can do more and I figure the chipset is new enough to go past that
11:02 < anddam> will check again when I can, thanks again
11:04 < MrElendig> will only get 130ish max
11:05 < MrElendig> unless you replace the ap/router
11:05 < MrElendig> do your isp allow you to run your own router btw? if so I suggest doing so
11:13 < maxxe> how can I mount a device, an usb stick in this case, with write access to it for a normal user i.e. not root?
11:14 < jim> you could mount then chmod, and you could look into mount options in "man mount"
11:15 < acresearch> people i am trying to download something through wget but it asks for a username/password (which i have) but how do i pass it through wget?
11:19 < zapotah> maxxe: only root can mount, however, fuse was developed for this purpose
11:19 < huwjr> sorry for off-topic, just wondering if anyone happens to know of an open/free cookie audit tool that will crawl a site for me? surprised there are not tons on google!
11:22 < anddam> MrElendig: router yes, modem I think not so much unless I drop using VoIP
11:23 < anddam> MrElendig: I mean a generic ADSLv2 will work, but not the phone
11:23 < maxxe> zapotah, ok. I'm fine with that only root can mount but not that only root has write access in this case. I know I can do some hacks for example chmod after mount like jim said in order to make it. but there must be some mount option...
11:24 < zapotah> fuse
11:24 < zapotah> use it
11:24 < ruslangaripov> acresearch: You can use `--user` and `--password` options. Or protocol's specific options like `--http-user`. Or specify user name and password in the URL itself.
11:25 < acresearch> ruslangaripov: ok let me try them
11:25 < acresearch> ruslangaripov: wow it worked, dam thanks :-)
11:26 < ruslangaripov> acresearch: You are welcome :-)
11:32 < Triffid_Hunter> Maxxe: I put options in fstab to mount sda on /mnt/misc with -o user,users
11:32 < Triffid_Hunter> Maxxe: I also have one that reads /home/triffid/Games/gamecd      /mnt/gamecd     udf,iso9660     noauto,ro,user,users,loop,exec so I can mount arbitrary ISO images without sudo
11:32 < Triffid_Hunter> for.. reasons :P
11:33 < Roden> Forgotten ubuntu password.  Any advice?
11:34 < Roden> I can still log in because there's no password at login
11:34 < Triffid_Hunter> Roden: single user, set a new one
11:34 < Roden> but after screensaver i'm screwed
11:34 < djph> ^
11:35 < Roden> what's single user?
11:35 < Hyouchuu> Good night, Ya'll
11:35 < Hyouchuu> *Y'all
11:35 < djph> Roden: singleuser mode - generally just a root shell.
11:35 < Hyouchuu> Yal'l'l'l
11:36 < Roden> how do i access it?
11:36 < Roden> let me look and see if i can find out
11:37 < Triffid_Hunter> Roden: in grub, edit kernel cmdline and add init=/bin/bash at the end
11:37 < Triffid_Hunter> Roden: then it boots into a root shell, usually with readonly root so you have to mount -o remount,rw / before changing passwords
11:37 < Triffid_Hunter> Roden: also keep in mind the security implications in the case that someone has physical access to your machine while doing this ;)
11:46 < Roden> there's no kernel cmdline
11:46 < Roden> it says something else
11:47 < djph> Roden: the *grub* commandline, so you can edit the boot string for ubuntu
11:48 < Roden> it says "linux" instead of "kernel"
11:48 < Roden> should "init=/bin/bash" be in quotes?
11:49 < Roden> and should I change ro to rw?
11:49 < r4ve1> hi guys
11:49 < r4ve1> can someone help me with samba config?
11:49 < r4ve1> http://termbin.com/mirx
11:49 < r4ve1> it's my config
11:49 < r4ve1> my issue is that i can't write to my share
11:49 < r4ve1> i can read it and access it
11:50 < djph> aren't the masks usually inverse -- i.e. 0022 in the mask = 0755 on the file?  although, samba, so :|
11:51 < c0nv3x> hello everybody. i have two linux distros on a disk and i accessed system 1's home partition from system 2 and added and removed some files. now i tried to boot system 1; however, fsck failed with error code 4. do you think it's because of the file manipulation? if so, what would you suggest? for the future, is it safe to this? thank you very much
11:52 < r4ve1> djph I'll try it
11:52 < r4ve1> just everyone on internet has it like that
11:53 < Roden> When I change the kernel line, the screen turns black, and any attempt to restart the computer causes it to beep a lot.
11:53 < Roden> I need to unplug the computer and remove the battery to turn it off.
11:53 < stevendale> Hi
11:53 < djph> Roden: because you're doing it wrong.
11:54 < djph> c0nv3x: no, changing data wouldn't (well, shouldn't) cause fsck to fail in that manner
11:54 < Roden> got it.  yep, without rw and rather with ro it worked <3
11:54 < c0nv3x> djph: then i don't know what else could be the cause.... ill have to think about it
11:55 < Roden> so mount -o remount,rw /
11:55 < c0nv3x> djph: thanks
11:56 < c0nv3x> djph: do you have any suggestions?
11:56 < djph> c0nv3x: fsck found an error and couldn't fix it (or crashed)
11:56 < r4ve1> so any ideas?
11:57 < c0nv3x> djph: right. what would be the right move for me?
11:58 < Roden> A magic spell to remember.
11:58 < djph> c0nv3x: running it off a liveUSB perhaps, so you can get more details about the failure
11:59 < c0nv3x> djph: ill try that. thanks
11:59 < djph> might be that it was a "I really have to ask the operator" type fix
12:30 < luna_> Videos from Linux Fest Northwest 2018 is out on Youtube now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e6BKJPnb5o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-UEJ0bka44&list=PLjDc7gDlIASRIr2cr2AkhOSEGY96WhscR
12:31 < cart_man> Hi everyone . I compiled nodejs and ran make install on it. I can however not seem to run node without using SUDO ... any ideas?
12:31 < cart_man> which files should I give permissions to be able to access it with all users?
12:32 < djph> see where it installed to.  might just not be in your $PATH
12:33 < ananke> cart_man: define 'can't run node without using sudo'. what happens when you try?
12:33 < cart_man> ananke,  Allot of can not open errors
12:33 < ananke> also, don't do make install. seriously, it's bad for your health. use pre-packaged one for your distro
12:33 < ananke> cart_man: and we're supposed to guess those errors? pastebin them somewhere
12:34 < cart_man> ananke, Unfortunately its not avaiable over apt-get yet ... for Raspbian pi
12:34 < cart_man> ananke,  I wanted to install version 8+
12:34 < cart_man> of node
12:35 < ananke> http://thisdavej.com/beginners-guide-to-installing-node-js-on-a-raspberry-pi/
12:35 < cart_man> ananke, ->https://hastebin.com/ofalocijis.sql
12:35 < ananke> here you have instructions on how to install it using nodesource.com repository
12:36 < cart_man> ananke, That is the normal way of installing node Via package manager ..it didnt work though
12:36 < cart_man> I promise I tried
12:36 < ananke> 'didn't work' means nothing without actual description
12:36 < cart_man> it explicitly told me to either build it or download the armv6 version
12:36 < ananke> as to your errors, start inspecting file permissions: ls -l /home/pi/downloads/node-v8.11.1/out/Release/obj.target/node/src/tls_wrap.gcda and work your way up
12:38 < rypervenche> namei -om /path/to/file is a good way to get all of the permissions in one command.
12:49 < kabads> Is anyone here an openvpn wiz? I've connected to the server fine, but the client can't access machines on that network. I've checked firewalls etc  - what else might I be missing?
12:50 < Sitri> You might not have the route setup
12:50 < Sitri> Or the target machine doesn't have packet forwarding enables
12:51 < Sitri> enabled*
12:51 < kabads> Sitri: the openvpn reports that the route is configured.
12:51 < Sitri> That's not what I meant
12:51 < kabads> Ah.
12:51 < kabads> Apols - what did you mean?
12:52 < Sitri> Check the local machine, does it have a route for sending packets to the openvpn network through the tunnel?
12:52 < kabads> Sitri: yes - as other machines are talking to each other in that network.
12:53 < Sitri> ?
12:53 < kabads> Let me check the route on the vpn server.
13:00 < kabads> Route looks good to me: https://paste.linux.community/view/efa3c376
13:03 < bookworm> kabads: That's the server I guess right?
13:03 < kabads> Yes
13:04 < kabads> I can do the same on the client - I don't often set up openvpn and it shows, right?
13:04 < bookworm> you don't even have a route for the tunnel...
13:05 < kabads> bookworm: and that should be on the server as well?
13:05 < bookworm> by server you are referring to the actual openvpn server, the thing running the vpn yes?
13:05 < kabads> Yes.
13:05 < bookworm> is openvpn running?
13:06 < kabads> The web front end is accessible
13:07 < kabads> openvpn+ is running.
13:07 < kabads> and openvpnas
13:09 < bookworm> you should be seing a route over a tunnel interface pushing the vpn subnet... you don't have that
13:09 < bookworm> but I am afraid I can't help you with the GUI / automated tools. I configure openvpn directly via it's config
13:10 < bookworm> something I would advise to you as well
13:11 < kabads> bookworm: Thanks - I have access to the command line and have posted the route for the client at the previous pastebin.
13:11 < bookworm> ... that's what I asked...
13:12 < bookworm> from the beginning, what is this host: openvpnas2 ?
13:12 < bookworm> server OR client?
13:12 < bookworm> openvpn server that is
13:13 < kabads> bookworm: server in the network that I wish to VPN to
13:13 < kabads> The client is a different machine.
13:18 < bookworm> pastebin the output of `ps aux | grep openvpn`
13:22 < kabads> bookworm: from which machine
13:22 < bookworm> openvpnas2
13:23 < kabads> https://paste.linux.community/view/bc3258fe
13:26 < bookworm> kabads: have you checked the log? /var/log/openvpnas.log
13:28 < bookworm> I still don't think that openvpn is running... the access server yes, but not openvpn
13:29 < bookworm> then again, as I said I don't know openvpnas, I just run the openvpn server directly
13:30 < bookworm> Why do you need this software specifically?
13:30 < kabads> There doesn't seem to be an error in the log, but something is going wrong (probably outside of the scope of openvpn) an openvas2 should be able to ping other servers in that network. I'll look at that more.
13:31 < bookworm> what's you acutal end goal? Just having a vpn connection between two hosts?
13:31 < bookworm> actual*
13:31 < MrElendig> anddam: they don't give you the sip credentials? (is this telenor btw?)
13:40 < BluesKaj> Hi folks
13:41 < Sveta> BluesKaj: hi
13:42 < BluesKaj> hi Sveta
13:47 < aaa___> https://www.change.org/p/end-julian-assange-s-isolation
13:47 < bookworm> aaa___: this is relevant to the topic how exactly?
13:50 < syntaxxxerr0r> uhm in the way that linux is isolated from other OS's because it is superior. ?
13:51 < syntaxxxerr0r> (not saying that assange is superior by anymeans though)
13:53 < kazdax> tallking about licking womens feet is more relevent than this topic :P
14:11 < EvilRoey> hi
14:11 < EvilRoey> Psi-Jack: https://twitter.com/StandWithUs/status/991263582984769537
14:11 < EvilRoey> er
14:11 < EvilRoey> Psi-Jack: sorry, wrong link: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/04/comcast-wont-give-new-speed-boost-to-internet-users-who-dont-buy-tv-service/
14:11 < EvilRoey> Psi-Jack: this is in line with what we talked about yesterday
14:12 < EvilRoey> Psi-Jack: so this sounds like a new tactic on Comcast's part, yeah?
14:15 < kazdax> comcast comcast
14:15 < kazdax> what ya gonna do
14:15 < kazdax> what ya gonna do when we come for you
14:16 < TaZeR> how doable would it be to move my /boot which is on a seperate regular partition into my luks/lvm installation of linux?
14:16 < TaZeR> and use grub's password feature for unlocking
14:17 < TaZeR> the boot partition being at sda1 and the lvm on sda2
14:18 < TaZeR> i dont need exact instructions just a basic nod that its possible and doesnt require use of black magic
14:18 < kazdax> whats lvm used for
14:19 < azarus> kazdax: logical volume management
14:19 < kazdax> i saw it on my patitioning tool and told it do do it without making my artition
14:19 < kazdax> partition
14:19 < kazdax> ohh so its important ?
14:19 < djph> no
14:19 < azarus> maybe read up about it?
14:19 < kazdax> yea
14:19 < TaZeR> lvm is like a layer where you can create logical volumes in that are easily resizeable and other benefits
14:19 < kazdax> good heads up
14:20 < TaZeR> i wanna move my /boot inside it and get rid of the seperate partition for boot
14:20 < TaZeR> when i installed the system i didnt really know you could use grub to unlock an encrypted /boot
14:21 < TaZeR> i guess i read some out of date information where it said i needed to /boot unencrypted
14:21 < EvilRoey> kazdax: google/alphabet's balloon or satellite based internet will crush comcast
14:22 < rypervenche> TaZeR: Doing it through Grub can make you have to input your password twice though.
14:22 < Armand> EvilRoey: Dat latency doh..
14:23 < lukey> TaZeR: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Boot_partition "Without further changes you will be prompted twice for a passhrase: the first for GRUB to unlock the /boot mount point in early boot, the second to unlock the root filesystem itself as described in #Root partition. You can use a keyfile to avoid this."
14:24 < TaZeR> rypervenche: not a big deal, i heard there is a workaround for that anyway
14:24 < kazdax>  akyfile would be liek q secure USB right
14:24 < kazdax> is it possible to log into linux using a USB as a key ?
14:25 < TaZeR> yes
14:25 < kazdax> neat
14:26 < TaZeR> i suppose i could make a virtualbox image of my system and play around with it see if i can make it work first
14:26 < TaZeR> i would start by just copying /boot partition over to the lvm root partition and changing mount points and stuff
14:27 < TaZeR> setting up grub for encrypted /boot unlock and see what errors i get
14:27 < EvilRoey> Armand: only if you're a gamer, haha
14:27 < Armand> Of course. lol
14:27 < EvilRoey> Armand: though I wonder how it may affect conference streaming
14:27 < Armand> I dread to think.
14:28 < Armand> I used a satellite link once.. Fast AF for downloading, but.. ehh.
14:30 < ||JD||> latency shouldn't be that bad with low orbit satellites
14:32 < ||JD||> my shitty ISP has 230ms with anything at USA, satellites can be in another planetary system it would still be an improvement for me
14:33 < kazdax> i am paying 50 dollars more
14:33 < kazdax> for this month
14:33 < kazdax> because my isp alloted me 1000 gigs for a month
14:33 < kazdax> and i am overdue
14:33 < kazdax> since when has the Great america put a fucking cap on internet bandwithd
14:33 < Armand> I need a decent line.. I can only get ADSL right now. -_-
14:34 < kazdax> like come on people its America
14:34 < kazdax> what happens when we wanna stream 4K from netflix
14:34 < mawk> you pay
14:34 < mawk> it's obvious
14:34 < kazdax> i pay 79  dollars for my current subscription
14:34 < mawk> lol
14:34 < kazdax> 79 freaking dollars
14:34 < kazdax>  heard in jaoan its much cheaper and faster too
14:34 < mawk> I pay 30€ for 1Gbps
14:35 < Armand> I pay zero for 1Gbps.. at work. :P
14:35 < kazdax> you are way better off than me man
14:35 < kazdax> where ya at ?
14:35 < mawk> in france
14:35 < kazdax> see
14:35 < kazdax> everyone is progressing and America being a capatilizst shit hole..wants everyone to be a consumer for the rest of thier lives
14:35 < kazdax> the inventors are gonna be third world people
14:36 < mawk> lol
14:36 < revel> Do you imagine Europe as a communist utopia?
14:36 < revel> As opposed to a "capitalist shit hole"
14:36 < kazdax> and problem i see with capatilizm is that the rich favor
14:37 < kazdax> they buy politics and the la
14:37 < kazdax> law
14:37 < kazdax> the money was suppose to trickle down from the rich to the poor
14:37 < Armand> ##linux is not ##politics
14:37 < kazdax> but the rich being greedy kept it allt o themself
14:38 < kazdax> sorry i got carried away
14:38 < kazdax> continue
14:38 < mawk> money trickling down is a joke
14:38 < mawk> the IMF debunked it some years ago, and yet it was some campaign argument from Macron
14:38 < kazdax> we need more open systems
14:38 < kazdax> hardware and software
14:39 < hexnewbie> What, you don't believe that features and API compatibility automatically trickles down from proprietary OSes to non-proprietary ones ones?
14:40 < hexnewbie> The more APIs Microsoft controls the more API it open sources ;p
14:40 < mawk> lol
14:40 < kazdax> we need better hardware and research ...all we are getting are gadjets to make more money
14:41 < kazdax> smartphones are cool but by now we could have so much more
14:41 < kazdax> very much more
14:41 < kazdax> look at what happened to linux ... it was from an OS you had to buy special hardware ..not shit loads of apps
14:42 < kazdax> and now what...every other company in the world is running it
14:43 < kazdax> sometimes i am tempted to use windows but i find no real use for it except gamming
14:43 < kazdax> maya , 3dMAx has come out for linux now
14:43 < kazdax> most tools for game design are on linux now
14:44 < kazdax> linux supports every other hardware and if you are a programmer write your own and people will add to it is its relevent
14:44 < kazdax> free time
14:44 < kazdax> boring life
14:44 < kazdax> make it interesting
14:44 < kazdax> sorry i popped a few petrils ..feeling high and mighty
14:44 < kazdax> and yet not quite there
14:44 < hexnewbie> Maya has had GNU/Linux versions since my Slackware days, and there's Blender which is FLOSS and fine. 3DSMAX is Windows-only, however
14:44 < kazdax> is Blender any good ?
14:45 < kazdax> can you do proffesional grade stuff with it ?
14:45 < hexnewbie> kazdax: It's really good. A bit odd (though not as odd as Maya, I guess?)
14:46 < kazdax> then there is tons of materials online to learnto deal with blender...5 years from now. blender might become industrial standard
14:46 < kazdax> i have seen work on people on blender
14:46 < kazdax> i dont know if they had to do alot of tweaks but it was amazing stuff
14:47 < kazdax> anyways ..i will be getting my brothers computer
14:47 < kazdax> which is an i5
14:47 < kazdax> 6th genenration i think
14:47 < kazdax> and it has a decent graphic card ... Might fire up blender and see whats it about
14:47 < kazdax> i tried maya alittle and i liked it
14:48 < kazdax> but this is a momenet..that free software dosnt mean shitty software
14:48 < kazdax> it just means slower develeopment for bigger projects
14:49 < kazdax> you cant comapre yourself toa  CS PHD dude if all you ever did was self tutotring ?
14:49 < kazdax> thats extra need to learn from peer as a group an then learn frist hand from the teacher
14:50 < kazdax> is always valuable
14:51 < hexnewbie> Blender has been used for movies (parts of Lights Out, Wonder Woman credits, etc.) and TV (The Man in the High Castle), but only partially, and is certainly not used extensively like Maya. I don't even know what movies use. Like, say, what did that last Star Wars use? I have no idea.
14:51 < kazdax> forced to be consistant to study in a university ... has its own magic
14:52 < kazdax> hex probably maya or 3d MAx
14:52 < kazdax> thats what they all use i heard
14:52 < kazdax> the guy creating he final fantasy game used maya
14:52 < kazdax> or was it 3D max
14:53 < kazdax> his jov was to create  senerio ..the world layout
14:53 < kazdax> it looked complex as hell
14:53 < kazdax> maya is easy
14:54 < kazdax> good thing they have it for linux
14:54 < hexnewbie> I've never heard of anyone using 3D Studio in a movie (though that doesn't mean they haven't)
14:55 < kazdax> looking at the site maya only gives the linux version for fedora, redhat and centOS
14:55 < ejr> does anyone here use the links or links2 browser and know how it can be brought to accept cookies?
14:55 < kazdax> so wee for those working rHCSA
14:56 < kazdax> there is alway dual boot
14:56 < kazdax> so no worries
14:57 < kazdax> i am pay 129 dollars for internet this month
14:57 < kazdax> ganes cost around 60 to 80 gigs
14:58 < kazdax> and we can use 1000 gigs a month
14:58 < hexnewbie> kazdax: The ‘RedHat’ version back in the day ran on Slackware without issue. Maybe that's still true.  Avatar used RenderMan to render, though not sure what they used for modelling. How do you use proprietary closed source software to model and render if half of your production uses custom techniques and software?
14:59 < revel> You either do that "shared source" thing and pay for access to the software or use open source software.
14:59 < ananke> kazdax: that could have been a single sentence on one line
15:00 < kazdax> sorry ananake bad programming practice ill try and keep it in mind
15:00 < kazdax> this is the age where Satan runs free
15:01 < kazdax> no you heard it right not SATA ..but Satan
15:01 < hexnewbie> revel: Well, and Maya and Blender support Python scripting heavily, so customisation and closed source aren't mutually exclusive. Thoguh I was more referring to the part that big productions do insane things in the custom department.
15:01 < mawk> still on this debate
15:01 < kazdax> dude those guys are paid to get expensive trainnings
15:02 < revel> hexnewbie: What? Blender is cloesd source?
15:02 < hexnewbie> revel: No?
15:02 < revel> "blender supports python scripting, so customisation and closed source aren't mutuall exclusive"
15:03 < hexnewbie> revel: Yeah. You don't need accessing or editing source to script it.
15:04 < hexnewbie> If it was still closed like it was before, it would would be as scriptable as it is today. (Python is under a permissive license, so no issue there, even with the way it links to Python)
15:08 < kazdax> i got tried of C in the sense of using pointers
15:08 < kazdax> pointer to structs
15:08 < kazdax> points to functions
15:08 < cxc99_> is pvcreate required first?
15:08 < kazdax> double pointers
15:09 < kazdax> now i am thinking maybe python is what i should focus on
15:09 < kazdax> the P will never die
15:10 < mawk> pointers really aren't hard kazdax
15:10 < mawk> all kind of lame tutorials talk about it like it is, that's why people aren't comfortable with it
15:11 < mawk> but really it's simple
15:11 < mawk> if you declare a variable like something *a; it means that *a is of type something
15:11 < mawk> no more, no less
15:12 < kazdax> ya so *a is nothing ut holding the adreess of something its pointing too
15:12 < kazdax> i get that much
15:12 < mawk> you can declare pointers to functions like that: int (*fp)(long); means that *fp is a function, and that when you call this function with a long argument like (*fp)(long) the result is of type int, so you write int (*fp)(long);
15:12 < helokki> having even a basic understanding of C is very helpful
15:12 < kazdax> i have basic understadning
15:12 < mawk> a is holding the address, kazdax
15:12 < kazdax> and i can write apps
15:12 < mawk> *a is the object pointed to by the address
15:12 < mawk> *a is the very object pointed to
15:13 < kazdax> a is a variable ..so its a varaible that hold data which is nothing more than a location in ememory
15:13 < kazdax> right ?
15:13 < mawk> yeah
15:14 < kazdax> yea i get that part
15:14 < mawk> a is a variable of type something *, which really is an integer of the same size as uintptr_t
15:14 < mawk> you can cast losslessly between something * and uintptr_t
15:14 < kazdax> maybe i need to just struggle with learning it and putting in into practice and use GDB to figure things out
15:15 < kazdax> i can write apps with points ..i can do that but a theorical understand is whats lacking
15:15 < mawk> yeah
15:15 < kazdax> you know this tutorial i was studyng said that people have a problem with understadn abstractions in programming
15:16 < kazdax> to just set back and have a sense of whats going on under the hood
15:16 < kazdax> thats why i mentined GDB would be the place i need to work on
15:16 < kazdax> so see for myself how its happening
15:16 < kazdax> books are okay ...and i am not a book persin but practically if i can figure it out ..i will be clear headed
15:17 < kazdax> my current projects one fo them is understanding pointers and then jumping in to the linux programming interface book
15:17 < mawk> kazdax: https://ideone.com/WXXZRt try to hack around this
15:19 < kazdax> *b = $a
15:20 < kazdax> that means .. b now points to conent of a ?
15:20 < kazdax> &a
15:20 < kazdax> *b = &a
15:21 < kazdax> or it it that *b now pooints to whats in a ?
15:21 < kazdax> so *b points to the value 42
15:21 < kazdax> since a = 42
15:22 < kazdax> what doees int *b = &a
15:22 < kazdax> do ?
15:23 < revel> It makes an integer pointer "b" that has the address of "a" as its value.
15:23 < revel> I think.
15:23 < kazdax> ahh i see
15:23 < kazdax> so then
15:23 < kazdax> a = 42
15:24 < kazdax> vairable a gets assigned the value 42
15:24 < kazdax> then
15:24 < kazdax> *b = *b + 12;
15:24 < revel> Then a==54.
15:25 < ivanfon> wouldn’t b = 54?
15:25 < revel> No, b itself is a pointer. *b would be 54.
15:26 < revel> b itself would be something like 0x00007fc8b6da4000
15:26 < kazdax> which is the memory address of a
15:26 < ivanfon> oh, cause *b accesses the value of whatever b is pointing to right?
15:26 < revel> Yes.
15:28 < kazdax> i think i get the hang of it
15:30 < kazdax> so *b = *b + 12 ...it takes 12 and adds it to what ever *b is pointing to
15:30 < kazdax> int his case A
15:30 < kazdax> which is 42
15:31 < kazdax> and then adds that back into *b..which is pointing to A
15:31 < kazdax> so thats *b(points to a 42 ) and then + 12
15:31 < kazdax> 42+12
15:31 < kazdax> and adds it back into A vai b*
15:32 < kazdax> b* = b* + a
15:32 < kazdax> something i think like that
15:35 < revel> It calculates the value of the right side first and then assigns it to whatever's on the left side.
15:36 < EvilRoey> <kazdax> b* = b* + a <-- surely you mean *b = *b + a
15:36 < EvilRoey> ?
15:37 < EvilRoey> er, if *b = ... is a valid C expression, I forget
15:37 < kazdax> yes sorry
15:37 < solidfox> yeah. b* is not valid. must have been a mistake EvilRoey
15:38 < kazdax> thats what i meant
15:38 < kazdax> i am just trying to figure out pointers
15:38 < revel> *b += probably also works.
15:38 < kazdax> ya *b += a
15:38 < kazdax> no wait
15:38 < revel> Or *= 2 if you're adding some value to itself.
15:38 < kazdax> *b += 12
15:38 < solidfox> its tricky because in a declaration the * means "this is a pointer"
15:39 < revel> And otherwise it means "whatever the pointer's pointing at"
15:39 < solidfox> but when used in an expression with a pointer, * means to dereference or "the value at this pointer"
15:39 < solidfox> revel, yeah
15:39 < solidfox> the reason they did that is they wanted "the usage to look like the declaration"
15:40 < solidfox> but IMO they made it confusing :P
15:40 < kazdax> the K&R books are a bit to advace
15:40 < kazdax> even tho i know some little C
15:40 < kazdax> i am okay with if felse , loops functions and such
15:40 < solidfox> the K&R C programming language book is crap
15:40 < solidfox> there I said it.
15:41 < djph> solidfox: well, yeah, you gotta get K&R2
15:41 < nispr0_> Hi, how can I delete this selinux context? "/opt/rh/rh-php71/root = /"
15:42 < nispr0_> I thought it would be something like this: "semanage fcontext -d -e /opt/rh/rh-php71/root"
15:42 < solidfox> djph, second edition?
15:42 < nispr0_> but that command doesn't work, I get this error: KeyError: /opt/rh/rh-php71/root :(
15:42 < revel> That doesn't look a lot like an SELinux context to me, though I might be misunderstanding something...
15:43 < solidfox> djph, I don't like it either
15:43 < djph> solidfox: yup.
15:43 < revel> nispr0_: Ask #selinux
15:43 < nispr0_> revel: Ok, thank you
15:44 < solidfox> djph, actually, to be fair, I never read the first edition. so I can't say anything about it ;)
15:44 < solidfox> except that it was probably updated for a good reason :P
15:47 < djph> solidfox: as I understand it, ANSI C changed the formatting for grouping (i.e. need the braces now), but the majority of the text wasn't changed.
15:48 < IMPosTOR> tes
15:48 < kazdax> there are tons of tutorials online to teach you about pointers right ?
15:48 < djph> probably.  But as with all "online tutorials", the majority are  probably questionable at best.
15:48 < solidfox> agreed
15:49 < kazdax> good idea to just stick with books unless its like research papers
15:49 < kazdax> some body told me to ge the c companion book
15:49 < kazdax> if i wanted to learn about pointers
15:49 < solidfox> the book that got me to learn C is very terse.
15:49 < djph> I haven't found K&R to be ~bad~ by any means. But it's one of many "good" choices.
15:50 < solidfox> the whole language including details about memory segments is contained within just the first 2 chapters
15:50 < djph> *as it's one of many "good" choices, there may be "better" for the way you learn.
15:50 < djph> solidfox: wazzat? K&R?
15:50 < solidfox> I found that I was able to learn it in a "terse" book. same thing with python
15:51 < solidfox> djph, Jon erickson
15:51 < djph> solidfox: no, I meant that the first 2 chapters covered everything.  K&R "seems" to be written that way
15:51 < solidfox> hm
15:51 < djph> but I'm wrking through it really slow
15:52 < solidfox> I gave up on that book. it was a reaction.
15:52 < kazdax> be the snail not the hare
15:52 < solidfox> I think I made the right decision
15:52 < solidfox> kazdax, its not a race.
15:52 < djph> BUT, I also have other programming experience, so I may fully be making logical leaps because of it
15:52 < djph> solidfox: not saying you didn't :)
15:53 < kazdax> i did x86assembler for RISC computers
15:53 < kazdax> so C is okay for me
15:53 < solidfox> before I was able to learn C, I was able to learn basic programming in college using ADA, and before that I was kinda already trying to teach myself since I was 13
15:54 < kazdax> thast about the same age i thought myself programming ..self studying
15:54 < kazdax> with the dummies books
15:54 < solidfox> c, python, then php web stuff. then college. then I went back and relearned c
15:54 < solidfox> now I write vb.net T_T
15:54 < kazdax> vb.net :(
15:54 < djph> you monster
15:54 < solidfox> lol. gotta eat.
15:55 < kazdax> you could just have a becpme wa good system angeer
15:57 < solidfox> maybe K&R is not a bad book
16:00 < shine`> how can I avoid for a program to shut down when I open it from the terminal ?
16:00 < shine`> Like if I open the terminal and type firefox, it opens the browser, but when I close the terminal the browser shuts down
16:01 < djph> shine`: firefox &
16:01 < rypervenche> shine`: firefox & disown
16:01 < djph> or
16:01 < djph> ^ oh right
16:01 < revel> djph: Pretty sure it'd close if you don't disown it.
16:02 < shine`> thank you very much
16:02 < solidfox> I always do ctrl+z
16:02 < solidfox> bg
16:02 < solidfox> then close
16:02 < rypervenche> shine`: And if you don't want a ton of output: firefox &>/dev/null & disown
16:02 < solidfox> disown seems easier
16:02 < shine`> rypervenche : what do you mean?
16:03 < revel> solidfox: Doesn't killing the terminal after the bg still kill the process?
16:03 < solidfox> revel, I'm unsure now.
16:03 < solidfox> revel, it works with redshift
16:03 < rypervenche> shine`: Run the command and you'll see a bunch of output on your terminal of things happening in the background. If you don't want to see that and still be able to use said terminal, add &>/dev/null after firefox and you can keep using the terminal without needing to leave it.
16:03 < revel> solidfox: It closes it for me.
16:03 < revel> s/close/kill/
16:03 < solidfox> revel, on firefox? ok. my bad
16:04 < solidfox> don't use bg :)
16:04 < rypervenche> revel: You have to background it and then type "disown".
16:04 < revel> Not Firefox specifically.
16:04 < revel> rypervenche: I know. That's what I'm saying.
16:04 < solidfox> some programs close when you close the terminal, some don't
16:04 < solidfox> when you use bg
16:04 < revel> Though Firefox disowns itself.
16:04 < solidfox> it's a gamble
16:04 < rypervenche> revel: Not for me it doesn't.
16:05 < solidfox> bg doesn't work on freebsd for me
16:05 < solidfox> so I stopped using freebsd
16:12 < turkeyhand> with battery management in archlinux, if I run the battery down to 0% will it record that somehow?
16:12 < turkeyhand> and then put the actual number when it's fully charged?
16:13 < MrElendig> turkeyhand: see /sys/class/power_supply/
16:13 < MrElendig> same as on any other distro
16:13 < turkeyhand> because it starts at 7:49 hours and then drops to 4 hours, and I'm just starting a stopwatch now to see what the actual time I get out of one battery
16:13 < turkeyhand> I don't know anything about battery management in any distro, thanks for the link
16:13 < MrElendig> estimated life left will obviously change with use
16:13 < turkeyhand> what do you mean obviously
16:14 < turkeyhand> it's a very old battery
16:14 < MrElendig> turkeyhand: have you ever driven a car?
16:14 < djph> turkeyhand: sounds like the battery is giving "false" data to the PC for now
16:14 < turkeyhand> cars are my speciality
16:14 < turkeyhand> I build them
16:14 < MrElendig> turkeyhand: when you press the go faster pedal, it uses more fuel
16:14 < MrElendig> same with laptops, just with the charge in the battery
16:14 < turkeyhand> don't use that analogy, I know the 18560's in here are probably very past their expected life expectancy
16:14 < turkeyhand> but I can't change them
16:15 < turkeyhand> and have the battery pack still function
16:15 < MrElendig> when you boot the system is idle and uses almost no power compared to when you start your browser and put on yt etc. which often explains most of the "drop" in estimated time left
16:16 < turkeyhand> it drops a massive amount
16:16 < turkeyhand> the discharge curve is probably horrible
16:16 < djph> if it's an old battery, sure
16:16 < turkeyhand> I think it might get two hours? unfortunately my broken thinkpad tablet falls under the battery recall, and this one doesn't, even though they're both the same year
16:17 < turkeyhand> I had a tablet, it completely died, now I have just one x220
16:17 < MrElendig> sidenote: if you haven't done any tweaking, the out of the box draw is somewhat uneededly high too
16:17 < shine`> Is there like a keyboard shortcut to open up the terminal ?
16:17 < turkeyhand> in the mean time how do I install a distro on an external drive?
16:18 < shine`> I run xubuntu
16:18 < MrElendig> turkeyhand: same way as to an internal drive, there is no difference
16:18 < turkeyhand> from boot?
16:20 < revel> shine`: You mean like ctrl+alt+f1? Or pops up a terminal emulator? I think it's ctrl+shift+t sometimes, but you may have to set it yourself in your DE
16:20 < shine`> revel: yea,but ctrl alt f1 locks my screen
16:21 < revel> It should just pop open a VT and let you go back to your X session with alt+f7
16:25 < shine`> revel nope :D
16:26 < revel> It *should*, there's just something wrong. Maybe with your graphics drivers.
16:26 < revel> I get a tiny bit of wait time while switching between a VT and X since I switch over from Intel graphics to Radeon, I think.
16:26 < rascul> or the shortcuts have been reconfigured
16:27 < shine`> Yea, this is a pretty crappy laptop
16:32 < triceratux> ruh roh https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-28/
16:32  * triceratux has a project for today
16:33 < twainwek> triceratux: are you using every single distro and desktop environment and window manager?
16:33 < MrElendig> breaking your system with dnf upgrade?
16:34 < triceratux> twainwek: nope just every single distro that ships a viable xfce or something nearly identical like lxqt or in the worst cases mate or trinity
16:36 < revel> triceratux: Whaddabout Gentoo?
16:36 < triceratux> MrElendig: youre right. swagarch sucks. 90% of the boots the gnupg handshake to pool.sks-keyservers.net fails & keeps pacman from working. i cant figure out what accounts for the few times it works properly https://plus.google.com/101710856568137854458/posts/Lht5PcRVeEp
16:37 < triceratux> revel: calculate & sabayon. ive got current versions of both bootable & configured to spec
16:37 < revel> I mean vanilla OG Gentoo.
16:38 < MrElendig> use https instead of hhp? try a different keyserver?
16:38 < MrElendig> kpi*
16:38 < triceratux> revel: i generally dont run ur-distros because they force me to run installers which i wont do
16:38 < revel> Ur-distros?
16:40 < ayecee> tfw you make up words and then forget that people outside your head don't know them
16:40 < hexnewbie> ITSN isn't it?
16:40 < triceratux> MrElendig: i know its not the old version of gnupg. swagarch is running 2.2.6. & yeah if i ping the server in /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf it hangs. so i keep trying & then ultimately i get responses from various specific servers. but it doesnt seem to fix pacman until after a reboot. i even tried working thru the pacman-key --init stuff. that isnt working either
16:43 < triceratux> revel: for example, debian sucked so they created ubuntu. then ubuntu sucked so they created mint. of course mint sucks so what are you going to do ? someone has to put the work into making the base distros bearable, & id rather it not be me. especially with projects out there like mx-linux
16:44 < absurdistani> triceratux: I would actually argue that Ubuntu and Mint, while trying to solve the issues of their parents' respectively, just made it all worse.
16:44 < revel> Then maybe it's not "every single distro that ships a viable xfce"
16:44 < revel> Or maybe we understand "ships" differently.
16:45 < triceratux> absurdistani: worse than that, they made some things better & other things worse. so they jeopardised any credibility they could have had with the debian community itself
16:49 < triceratux> MrElendig: ill try your https suggestion. im quite suspicious of that protocol in the /etc/pacman.d/gnupg/gpg.conf & of the generic "pool" server name as well https://sks-keyservers.net/status/ does look more like a gnupg thing rather than a pacman thing tho
16:51 < absurdistani> triceratux: good point. of course, Debian is a distribution designed and maintained by community, so it's rather inconsistent anyway.
16:51 < MrElendig> some ISPs does silly things to  hpk://
16:51 < MrElendig> hpks or https can sometimes help
16:54 < triceratux> MrElendig: indeed. the effect im seeing is semipersistent & nondeterministic. i dont think theres anything wrong with the iso or with the swagarch keyserver accounts. it seems more related to shifting network topology. if its isp related its the kind of thing a distro wouldnt be aware of
16:57 < ShadowWizard> Having problems setting up persistance on a non-stardard USB of kali.  I thought since persistance should be generic I would ask here too.  I ma using easy2boot that allows me to boot from multiple ISO's, so my persistance partition is actually /dev/sdb5  I don't know if thats the problem or not.  I can breifly see in the boot messages that it can't seem to find something persistance related
16:57 < ShadowWizard> in /dev/sdb2..  How do I deal witht his?
16:58 < cryptodan_mobile> Test
17:01 < absurdistani> cryptodan_mobile: your test was successful
17:06 < z3t0> this may be a silly question, but is it possible to setup dm-crypt encryption after already installing the os?
17:07 < ananke> z3t0: short answer: no
17:07 < z3t0> ah ok
17:08 < z3t0> I just setup my system a week ago and did not think about encrypting it beforehand
17:08 < z3t0> time to reinstall :)
17:08 < ananke> z3t0: backup your important files, and reinstall. that would be the fastest way
17:09 < z3t0> ananke, yeah I was thinking of just dumping my users directory onto an external harddrive and then doing a fresh reinstall
17:10 < ChamScales> hello
17:10 < z3t0> hi
17:10 < ChamScales> is there a dedicated IRC channel for the Linux Terminal ?
17:11 < z3t0> ChamScales, Linux Terminal?
17:11 < ChamScales> yes
17:11 < z3t0> What is that?
17:11 < turkeyhand> encrypting it for what
17:11 < Sitri> Not to my knowledge, you could always just ask here if you have a specific question
17:11 < Sitri> @ChamScales
17:11 < z3t0> turkeyhand, just system encryption
17:11 < uplime> linux is a kernel, not a terminal
17:11 < turkeyhand> why encrypt?
17:11 < ChamScales> z3t0: a channel for support and discussion about linux commands
17:12 < z3t0> ChamScales, Ah, I think this is the right place to ask :)
17:12 < RayTracer> turkeyhand: so others can't see your stuff.. pretty basic
17:12 < uplime> ChamScales: do you mean core utils?
17:12 < z3t0> RayTracer, yup
17:12 < turkeyhand> ok then
17:12 < uplime> or some other util package?
17:12 < turkeyhand> others like who?
17:12 < ChamScales> z3t0: ok, I was just hoping for a less crowded place
17:12 < turkeyhand> people trying to "hack" you back
17:12 < uplime> (because linux has no commands)
17:12 < turkeyhand> or just someone who finds your computer
17:12 < turkeyhand> physically finds it
17:13 < z3t0> turkeyhand, more like i don't want any kid with a usb linux live image to be able to access all my files :)
17:13 < turkeyhand> so secret!
17:13 < z3t0> haha, though I do have a firmware password set so it's not possible to boot from external devices
17:15 < ChamScales> Here's my question : is there a command to type cacharacter or set of characters ? I would like to set up a keyboard shortcut to type a specific unicode character that can't be accessed through the usual gnome shortcut (Ctrl+Shift+U+number)
17:16 < revel> ChamScales: Which character is that?
17:16 < z3t0> ChamScales, I think gnome has support for that? see: https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en
17:17 < revel> I think that works for *every* Unicode character, tedious as it may be.
17:19 < ChamScales> z3t0 revel yes, any unicode character can be accessed from the Gnome shortcut but any application based on Qt doesn't support this shortcut
17:19 < ChamScales> so I'd like to create a shortcut to "paste" the character I want through a simple command
17:20 < revel> Well, I guess I misunderstood "a specific unicode character that can't be accessed through the usual gnome shortcut". Anyways, check out what z3t0 posted, there's no way gnome doesn't have a keyboard shortcut thing.
17:20 < rascul> qt apps support that
17:20 < ChamScales> revel I know how to create a keyboard shortcut, that's not the problem
17:20 < rascul> maybe it has to be setup somehow, i dunno, but i've used it fine with qt apps in the past
17:21 < revel> Then, err. Do that?
17:21 < revel> What's the problem then?
17:21 < rascul> which unicode number is it?
17:22 < revel> 23
17:22 < noway96> How do I make gparted always run as sudo user even when envoked by local user? Something like passwd
17:22 < ChamScales> revel: I know how to assign any keyboard combination to any command but I don't know the command to paste a character
17:22 < uplime> you could set the suid bit like ping does
17:22 < rascul> noway96 just run it with sudo every time
17:22 < revel> uplime: Last time I checked, it uses file caps now.
17:22 < revel> ChamScales: xdotool?
17:22 < uplime> revel: oh perhaps
17:23 < revel> I wouldn't feel right giving gparted suid...
17:23 < uplime> yeah i don't think its a good idea
17:24 < ChamScales> revel: I didn't know this one, seems about right
17:25 < Truxx> Is it  mupdf whatever.pdf  to open a pdf file on cl?
17:25 < z3t0> if you have mupdf installed then yes Truxx
17:25 < revel> Well, it'll open it up in X regardless.
17:25 < uplime> i use less to read pdf's
17:27 < Truxx> I see, thank you. It's installed, but it does not work.
17:27 < revel> Less itself doesn't support that, I don't think. Probably some lesspipe magic going on.
17:27 < revel> Yeah, my lesspipe has pdftotext.
17:28 < revel> And ps2ascii, and pstotext, in that order of preference.
17:28 < Truxx> It says "mupdf not found"
17:28 < revel> Install that then.
17:28 < Truxx> It _is_ installed
17:29 < uplime> its not
17:29 < uplime> it might be on your OS, but its not on PATH
17:29 < absurdistani> try mupdf-gl
17:29 < revel> Type mupdf and hit enter 2-3 times and see what pops up.
17:29 < revel> s/enter/tab/
17:30 < Truxx> mupdf-gl does not work either
17:31 < absurdistani> so, you either don't have it in path or something is wrong
17:31 < absurdistani> try /usr/bin/mupdf whatever.pdf
17:33 < ChamScales> revel: trying xdotool, I can't get it to work
17:33 < Truxx> No binary in /usr/bin - it does not work that way either... I found only /usr/lib/libmupdf.so.0
17:33 < revel> Truxx: Did you cancel the installation midway or something?
17:33 < revel> ChamScales: Whaddaya mean?
17:33 < superboot> Hi all. I want to create a bunch of new dirs with mkdir -p, but I want the group to be set at the same time. Can I change my primary group for just this session/command?
17:33 < Truxx> revel: No, it did install fine
17:34 < milp_2> is there something like a video/media player that also keeps track of what i watched beyond vlc's "recently played" list?
17:34 < revel> Truxx: What distro do you have and what exact package did you install?
17:34 < ChamScales> say my keyboard shortcut is Ctrl+! and the text to type is 'hello world', shouldn't it be : xdotool type 'hello world' ?
17:35 < ChamScales> revel: or should I use --clearmodifiers ?
17:35 < revel> cheapie: That works for me.
17:35 < revel> ChamScales: Oh, it's ctrl+!, so, probably.
17:35 < revel> I think that makes it so ctrl and shift don't apply.
17:36 < revel> (since those are probably what they mean by "modifiers"
17:36 < revel> )
17:36 < superboot> Ah, sudo -g is the answer.
17:36 < Truxx> revel: Thanks for the hints, I have only /usr/lib/libmupdfthird.so.0 and there is something wrong with the install
17:36 < ChamScales> revel: should I precise the window id even if it's a shortcut that I use in the right window
17:37 < tdn> What password manager would you recommend? Preferably something that works on both Linux and Windows.
17:37 < revel> Precise?
17:37 < revel> ChamScales: I don't think you should have to worry about that.
17:37 < ChamScales> revel: well, --clearmodifiers doesn't make a difference
17:37 < revel> I keep my keybinds on keys I never use anyway, without ctrl/alt/shift/whatever :P
17:40 < ChamScales> revel: you mean none of your custom shortcuts use modifier keys ?
17:40 < revel> Hmm. ctrl+shift+t does.
17:41 < kazdax> is samdba is basiclly used to tranfer conetents or share them from different OS types ?
17:41 < revel> And another one uses shift to differentiate between different modes. Otherwise, yeah, none.
17:41 < revel> Oh, wait, ctrl+alt+x for xkill.
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17:41 < kazdax> i am trying to setup so that i can tranfer my files from my windows to my linux
17:42 < ChamScales> revel: but how can you make any shortcut with no modifier key ?
17:42 < kazdax> is samba also used to tranger files between same OSs ?
17:42 < kazdax> tranfer*
17:42 < revel> ChamScales: Does gnome not let you? I use xfce, it does.
17:43 < revel> Sneak peek https://0x0.st/s1bk.png
17:43 < kazdax> my windows is updating so for a while ..gonna read up on samba
17:43 < absurdistani> ummm... SMB shares/CIFS can transfer files across any OS that supports the FS, but you wouldn't really use it to transfer files on one machine
17:44 < ChamScales> revel: I don't know but afaik, only modifier keys can combine with letters and such. You can't combine letters like A+U
17:44 < revel> I just have single keys.
17:44 < ChamScales> revel but then the original key can't be used anymore
17:44 < revel> Yep.
17:44 < ChamScales> ok, so I don't want that.
17:48 < ChamScales> revel: odd, the command works in the terminal itself but not from the shortcut
17:48 < ChamScales> even when the shortcut is used in the terminal
17:48 < revel> Is it a script you didn't set +x on?
17:50 < rxs> does anyone know if there is a way to limit the size of the buffer cache in linux?
17:51 < mAniAk-_-> buffer for what?
17:51 < rxs> the disk buffer cache
17:51 < rxs> so IO would be flushed more often to disk
17:52 < Psi-Jack> rxs: Why on earth would you want to do that?
17:53 < ChamScales> revel: there's no script. What's the +x for ?
17:53 < revel> Oh, I thought you put the xdotool stuff in a script which you called via the shortcut.
17:54 < rxs> Psi-Jack: for research purposes: I'm a university student and I'm doing research on filesystems
17:56 < absurdistani> ChamScales: +x as in chmod +x whatever.sh
17:56 < absurdistani> ChamScales: if it's not a script or other executable then it wouldn't matter
17:57 < absurdistani> ChamScales: but generally speaking, if you want to execute something it needs to have execute perms
17:57 < Psi-Jack> Or execute the interpretter to execute the script.
17:57 < ChamScales> absurdistani: ok, I think my problem was mistaken for someon else's
17:58 < ChamScales> my problem doesn't involve any script or chmod command
18:00 < ChamScales> my problem is that I can't execute a simple xdotool command from a keyboard shortcut
18:02 < rxs> ChamScales: is is possible that the executable isn't in $PATH?
18:02 < rxs> maybe try using the full path to the executable in your keyboard shortcut
18:02 < ChamScales> rxs: do you mean the executable of xdotool ?
18:03 < ELLIOTTCABLE> o7 all. anybody know how I can print exactly what my terminal app sends for a given key?'
18:03 < ELLIOTTCABLE> (tryin' to map an exotic key in Vim; but I'm not seeing any reaction to the keyboard input. tryna figure out which keys it *does* support sending.)
18:03 < rxs> ChamScales: yes
18:04 < ChamScales> rxs : no that can't be the problem because xdotool works
18:04 < ChamScales> just not when it's used from a keyboard shortcut
18:04 < ELLIOTTCABLE> (and yah, I know about ⌃V; Vim doesn't register anything at all. trying to see what the terminal emulator sees/sends for various keys.)
18:05 < triceratux> woo woo f28 [    0.000000] Linux version 4.16.3-301.fc28.x86_64 (mockbuild@bkernel02.phx2.fedoraproject.org) (gcc version 8.0.1 20180324 (Red Hat 8.0.1-0.20) (GCC)) #1 SMP Mon Apr 23 21:59:58 UTC 2018
18:05  * azarus shrugs
18:06 < ChamScales> rxs: but other commands work when used from the same keyboard shortcut
18:06 < ChamScales> so I have no idea how to solve this
18:07 < revel> ChamScales: Stick it in a script and specify the full path in the shortcut.
18:14 < jml2> ahhhhh lunch!!!
18:14 < Psi-Jack> Sounds like a good idea. Lunch, that is.
18:15 < jml2> chew chew
18:15 < uplime> yum install lunch
18:15 < absurdistani> slpkg -s sbo lunch
18:17 < roenie> when your HDD that contains GRUB2 and / dies and you replace it on the same sata cable/dev node (e.g. /dev/sda), its UUID changes, but update-grub will NOT update the UUIDs mentioned in grub.cfg for /dev/sda. I discovered in order to make the system bootable again, I had to manually edit grub.cfg, then grub-install *without* running update-grub... I can't believe how BAD that is.
18:17 < jml2> roenie, you're doing it wrong
18:18 < roenie> full discosure, disk didn't die in this case, I had both disks connected when I installed grub to the new one
18:18 < jml2> roenie, grub decides to use the uuid from fstab
18:18 < roenie> I also edited fstab beforehand
18:18 < roenie> to change the UUID
18:18 < jml2> roenie, so use lslbk -f , to list the uuid, then add that to /etc/fstab, then run your updater script for grub.cfg
18:18 < roenie> but it was not used by grub's scripts
18:18 < jml2> roenie, well you didnt set it properly in the "right environment"
18:19 < roenie> the "right environment" = you must remove the old disk
18:19 < jml2> roenie, btw you can bruce-force the change of the uuid on a fileystem...
18:19 < roenie> but you cannot do so, or you won't be able to run update-grub in the first place
18:19 < roenie> unless you boot some live cd
18:19 < jml2> roenie, but then you shouldn't have two filesystems with the same uuid
18:19 < roenie> I don't have two filesystems with the same UUID
18:20 < roenie> and I don't plan on it :P
18:20 < jml2> roenie, technically it is possible, and it should be avoided.
18:20 < jml2> roenie, because then it can be confusing ...
18:20 < jml2> roenie, but it's not disallowed ...  that is if you dont want to edit your fstab..
18:20 < ChamScales> revel : I'm not so fond of the idea, I'd prefer a simple command line, but I'm getting closer
18:20 < roenie>  roenie, so use lslbk -f , to list the uuid, then add that to /etc/fstab, then run your updater script for grub.cfg <--- this simply did not work
18:21 < revel> I think most of my things are more than just single-liners.
18:21 < jml2> roenie, yeah you did it wrong that's why.. you definitely made a mistake :)
18:21 < roenie> nope
18:21 < jml2> roenie, the way to fix boot issues is to use your installer's rescue boot
18:21 < jml2> roenie, ive' been doing many grub fixes well over a decade :)
18:21 < jml2> roenie, and i use this method across all distributions I use
18:21 < phinxy> After messing with installing .deb's manually with dpkg and even trying to have a local repo which also failed, I now decided to try have APT default release configured to "stable" and then install nvidia-driver from testing.  OK?
18:22 < roenie> the problem is grub uses scripts that think they know better where / is
18:22 < collins> Is there yet a fix for the intel cache security bug without the performance losses? Did they find a way?
18:22 < jml2> roenie, you should describe the steps you took to create the environment that you use to call "update-grub" or <mkconfig for grub>
18:22 < roenie> again, I went into fstab to replace the UUID, then ran update-grub with both disks still attached
18:23 < roenie> and it failed to update grub.cfg with the new UUID
18:23 < jml2> roenie, thats not what i asked
18:23 < revel> collins: Meltdown? I think the performance loss is negligible if you're on a recent kernel and your CPU supports INVPCID.
18:23 < roenie> I wasn't answering a question
18:23 < jml2> roenie, i asked how did you create your "rescue shell"
18:23 < jml2> roenie, then nobody can help you... for you then you need "boot repair iso" because you don't know how to create a chroot shell
18:23 < roenie> I ran update-grub from the original linux environment
18:23 < collins> revel: you still have a 20% loss then I think
18:23 < roenie> after editing fstab
18:24 < jml2> someone explain to roenie he was editing /etc/fstab --> on a different system
18:24 < phinxy> Whats the name of the resque shell included on a live CD?
18:24 < phinxy> bourne? ..
18:25 < roenie> no jml2
18:25 < roenie> I edited it on the new disk by mounting it
18:25 < revel> collins: I have a recent kernel, INVCPID and KPTI enabled. And I use Gentoo, so I spend a lot of time compiling software. The slowdown on that was definitely negligible and *nowhere near* 20%
18:25 < trifesleuth> phinxy: `/bin/sh --version`
18:25 < roenie> (after having tar'ed the data onto it)
18:25 < jml2> roenie, https://sourceforge.net/projects/boot-repair-cd/
18:26 < roenie> made the same fstab edits on the old disk in the running environment
18:26 < roenie> (it wasn't going to be used anyway)
18:26 < phinxy> trifesleuth• Now I'm stuck in that shell
18:27 < roenie> jml2, I already fixed it by manually editing grub.cfg - the reality is you either have to use a recovery method / live cd, or edit by hand
18:27 < roenie> i was trying to avoid recovery / livecd / chroot
18:27 < jml2> roenie, but that's stupid, because the next time you update your system it won't boot.
18:27 < revel> s/CPID/PCID/
18:28 < roenie> not the case here, jml2
18:28 < jml2> even the grub developers mention not to change grub.cfg, so you're double-stupid thinking this is "the good way"
18:28 < roenie> it's the only way... unless you want to make your system unbootable first and then fix it later
18:28 < jml2> roenie, tell the #grub people you edited your grub.cfg file..
18:28 < SmashingX> Does anyone know where this: SSLPassPhraseDialog: file '/usr/libexec/httpd-ssl-pass-dialog' does not exist come from?
18:28 < roenie> tell them I'm going back to lilo
18:28 < roenie> ;)
18:28 < jml2> roenie, they'll give you some nice feedbakck on that.
18:29 < SmashingX> I’m trying to start apache with SSL cert, and I know I’m missing that file, but I don’t know where that file should come from
18:29 < roenie> at least lilo lets you tell it where the heck your boot drive is
18:29 < revel> SmashingX: It says httpd, so, a webserver, probably.
18:29 < revel> Oh, you have Apache alreaedy.
18:29 < SmashingX> yes
18:29 < SmashingX> I’m configuring it
18:30 < SmashingX> and in ssl.conf file I have this part where is trying to call the file: http://pastebin.centos.org/724471/
18:30 < revel> apt-file search '/usr/libexec/httpd-ssl-pass-dialog
18:30 < revel> s/\'//
18:30 < jml2> SmashingX, usually its' called "snakeoil" somewhere under /etc
18:30 < SmashingX> yum?
18:30 < revel> Oh, CentOS.
18:30 < jml2> SmashingX, grep -ri snakeoil  /etc  :p
18:30 < roenie> <jml2> roenie, but that's stupid, because the next time you update your system it won't boot. <-- the reason this won't be an issue in this case is that the old disk will have been removed (it already has), and grub's scripts will understand the world again
18:30 < revel> No idea what the equivalent is for yum, assuming one exists.
18:30 < SmashingX> jml2: snakeoil?
18:30 < jml2> roenie, #grub
18:31 < jml2> SmashingX, yeah it is a common name used on distros..
18:31 < jml2> SmashingX, (for apache things)
18:31 < jml2> SmashingX, it's a self-signed certificate iirc
18:31 < ESKM0> hey can I ask here about ssh tunnels ?
18:31 < jml2> SmashingX, it gets generated when you install apache (or it could be the ssl package that generated it)
18:31 < SmashingX> I don’t have a self-signed cert
18:31 < SirScott> if I've got two interfaces: wlan0, wlan1, how can I configure wpa_supplicant via /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf to only operate for wlan0?
18:32 < jml2> SmashingX, so then make one
18:32 < SmashingX> I get nothing when I execute that file
18:32 < SmashingX> jml2: I don’t need a self signed cert
18:33 < jml2> SmashingX, then ask your ssl provider for instructions on how to make one
18:34 < jml2> May 1st, lunch on tuesdays..
18:34 < jml2> it is the year 2018!
18:34 < jml2> I'm still waiting for the perfect desktop!
18:35 < triceratux> jml2: the grub manual says that theyre aware that the distros mess up the grub-mkconfig scripting: "those who feel that it would be easier to write grub.cfg directly are encouraged to do so (see Booting, and Shell-like scripting), and to disable any system provided by their distribution to automatically run grub-mkconfig." http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Simple-configuration.html#Simple-configuration
18:35 < fendur> jml2: what's that?
18:35 < jml2> fendur, I dunno! can you help me? develop me a nice desktop please
18:36 < jml2> XDXD
18:36 < triceratux> lxqt with icewm !
18:36 < fendur> the perfect desktop is already available.
18:37 < jml2> triceratux, the grub developers only care of having it run from a sane environment.. fixing it comes down to if its able to see the appropriate working environment otherwise it does not work as intended..
18:37 < jml2> triceratux, some users also confuse between grub-efi and grub-pc setups..
18:37 < jml2> triceratux, the approach is kind of different as well..
18:38 < jml2> triceratux, sometimes hybrid bios/uefi also confuses the linux installer and the wrong grub package is installed
18:38 < triceratux> jml2: yep. its also the case that grub-probe doesnt work so someone wrote os-prober which also doesnt work. the reality is you have to be responsible for your own /boot/grub/grub.cfg & be sure to keep it backed up
18:38 < jml2> triceratux, and by that, hte installer completely avoided in creating an efi partition, making matters worse..
18:39 < jml2> triceratux, well you're doing idiotic things that's totally out of convention
18:39 < jml2> triceratux, a "standard system" is what users would be after... not a "development of a livecd"..
18:39 < triceratux> yeah like expecting a bootable system after an install rofl
18:41 < jml2> SirScott, you have two wlan nics? that's odd.. what purpose?
18:43 < BlueProtoman> How can I make all files created in a particular directory default to a given gid?
18:43 < phinxy> How come its possible to uninstall just about everything that is running with apt, but the system still runs normally
18:43 < jml2> BlueProtoman, many ways...
18:44 < ayecee> phinxy: what should happen instead?
18:44 < jml2> BlueProtoman, by mount option, dir perm settings, or by acl...
18:44 < bls> BlueProtoman: you can try setting a sticky group on the dir, but that'll depend on people's umask
18:44 < phinxy> ayecee• error dialogs that complains files are missing
18:44 < absurdistani> phinxy: because the file handle is open and already in ram
18:44 < ayecee> phinxy: i guess nothing is looking for those files
18:45 < BlueProtoman> jml2, bls: Note, I don't need to *forbid* files that don't have a specific gid.  I just need them to default to a given gid.  Also, I don't have root access.
18:45 < jml2> BlueProtoman, probably the mount option is best if you want many pathways to have the same behaviour
18:45 < absurdistani> phinxy: unless it needs something else from the file in question, it won't try and re-read
18:45 < fr0b> BlueProtoman- : https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/Directory-Setuid-and-Setgid.html
18:45 < bls> BlueProtoman: setting the sticky group bit only requires root if you don't already have access
18:47 < jml2> fr0b, funny that fifth permission bit is actually a non-posix and non-document piece of information.. I actually spoke to a developer about this not documented...
18:48 < fr0b> There is only GNU :D
18:49 < marself> Hi everybody, just a question about uvc 1.5. do you know if exist plan to add support for uvc 1.5 in the linux kernel source?
18:50 < skoup> Hello
18:50 < jml2> BlueProtoman, dunno if you can try something with "partial root" (can you use sudo? -- https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/209009/set-sticky-bit-by-default-for-new-directories-via-acl )
18:50 < skoup> I would like to ask something
18:51 < skoup> is linux routing table same thing as Windows tracert command?
18:51 < ayecee> you should probably ask something then
18:51 < ayecee> no
18:51 < ayecee> much in the same way that an apple is not the same thing as a buick.
18:51 < BlueProtoman> jml2: Nope, no sudo access.
18:51 < jml2> skoup, there's an equiv to everythng..
18:51 < BlueProtoman> fr0b: Thank you, guess I'll have to bug the sysadmin
18:53 < skoup> i see thanks
18:53 < jml2> skoup, all operating systems have an internal host-based routing table -- these differ than gateway router boxes in certain ways..  but it's possible to turn any "standard" desktop machine into a gateway-like box with certain settings
18:54 < bls> skoup: no, one of those things is a data structure in the IP stack of the kernel, the other is a command/executable
18:56 < skoup> I think route -n is the correct command
18:56 < skoup> i confused it with 'mtr' command i think
18:57 < ayecee> pretty confused alright
18:57 < bls> no, treaceroute is the linux equivalent of tracert
18:58 < ayecee> treaceroute: command not found
18:58 < bls> treacleroute
18:58 < bls> damnit
18:58 < BluesKaj> traceroute
19:00 < fendur> is raid 1 standardized such that one could expect a set of drives on a HW raid 1 config to work without reconfiguration (all data still present) in a linux software raid configuration?
19:01 < bls> fendur: no
19:02 < ananke> fendur: not at all. it's implementation specific
19:02 < bls> about the only way to reliably move drives is between controllers/hosts using the exact same RAID implementations
19:03 < fendur> cool. thanks, bls and ananke.
19:13 < ezio> anyone have a preference for pen-drive disk tools.  I want to zero-fill some windows drives.
19:13 < mutante> ezio: just to zero-fill?   dd
19:13 < mutante> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourpen ?
19:13 < Toaster_Strudel> Can you directly access syslog as if it were a database?
19:13 < ezio> right.  So just any pen drive?
19:14 < Toaster_Strudel> syslog is just an plaintext DB?
19:14 < Toaster_Strudel> or is it an object db
19:14 < uplime> its just a textfile
19:14 < uplime> logs aren't generally databases
19:14 < ezio> mutante, sorry.  I mean that what distro should I use to create a usb drive for disk tools
19:14 < bls> Toaster_Strudel: syslog logs to plain text files, journald does not
19:15 < Toaster_Strudel> so if it's journaled you have to use the agent to convert it?
19:15 < bls> ezio: any one you want. none of them are better than any other at running dd
19:15 < bls> Toaster_Strudel: correct
19:15 < mutante> ezio: it doesn't matter. but since you ask, i will always say Debian
19:16 < ezio> bls, yeah but gparted has some type of interface iirc.  I mayu want to do other things
19:16 < Toaster_Strudel> bls: is there a built-in way to set flags/triggers upon certain events? Trying to not use too many resources
19:17 < ChamScales> afk
19:18 < Psi-Jack> Mmmm. OpenVSwitch is awesome. ;)
19:23 < bls> ezio: that still doesn't mean you have to pick a specific distro or that one distro is going to be better at running gparted than another
19:23 < bls> Toaster_Strudel: no clue there, have just started venturing into systemd-land
19:24 < bls> Toaster_Strudel: systemd has things like timers, hooks, and dependency management, just not sure how fine grained they are
19:26 < bls> and they likely require the events be published on dbus
19:26 < Toaster_Strudel> bls: not sure if I should run all the hoopla in windows or linux, then send to windows
19:26 < Toaster_Strudel> I guess I can just treat them as txt files and look for the boogy men in there
19:27 < Psi-Jack> Heh, with openvswitch, a OVSBridge, OVSIntPort providing the VTEP, and any number of additional OVSBridges, I can now make unique isolated networks bridged accross multiple physical systems, even including the same subnets as others. Kinda like AWS and others do. :)
19:31 < tds> Psi-Jack: how are you handling that between hosts - just running big trunks with all the VLANs on, or doing L3 between hosts and then VXLANs?
19:31 < Psi-Jack> tds: VXLANs bound on an interface bridge that contains the VTEP.
19:32 < Psi-Jack> So, br0 bridges tep0 and eth1, tep provides an IP for the VXLAN to work accross.
19:32 < tds> hmm, is there any need for having eth1 as part of a bridge if you're doing vxlans?
19:33 < tds> why not just put the IP straight onto the physical interface?
19:33 < Psi-Jack> Need to transport between physical machines, so, yes. :)
19:35 < Psi-Jack> Hmm, though I do wonder if this can be better optimized a little. Right now, if I were to make a new vmbrX for a new isolated network, I would also have to create another set of vxX interfaces to setup the tunnel.
19:35 < warrshrike> Hey guys
19:35 < warrshrike> is anything interesting/big on the horizon for linux on desktop?
19:36 < Psi-Jack> Well, Fedora 28 just released.
19:36 < triceratux> well im running it already & have the gvfs-mtp installed & working in thunar
19:37 < tds> Psi-Jack: hmm, I should probably try this fancy vxlan stuff at some point, at the moment I just have bridges with lots of VLANs for L2, and then some fancy routing over openvpn tunnels between sites
19:37 < triceratux> Linux 4.16.3-301.fc28.x86_64 x86_64
19:37 < Psi-Jack> tds: Well, OpenVPN gives you the encryption. :)
19:38 < Psi-Jack> tds: I have OpenVPN tunnels too, managed at my router to connect to my externally hosted server groups in AWS and Vultr.
19:38 < tds> I'd like to try and find a nice solution to having addresses bound to a single VM that can easily move between sites without stretching layer 2, though
19:38 < Psi-Jack> Ahhhh yeah.
19:39 < Psi-Jack> tds: Hmmm... Sounds like BGP might be better. :)
19:39 < tds> yeah, I'm doing BGP over all the vpn tunnels at the moment anyway
19:39 < Psi-Jack> Depending on what you mean by sites.
19:40 < tds> it's just getting every individual VM to announce its own IP back to the site routers that seems to be a bit difficult
19:40 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm interesting.
19:40 < Psi-Jack> What method of virtualization are  you doing?
19:41 < tds> I could do ospf and have each VM announce a /128 and then redistribute that into bgp, but putting BIRD on every single vm seems like a stupid idea
19:41 < tds> Some KVM VMs still running, but most of it is LXC containers now
19:41 < compdoc> LXC is better?
19:41 < Psi-Jack> I wouldn't agree LXC is "better", personally.
19:42 < Psi-Jack> I was literally just thinking in my head. "Downgrading?"
19:42 < tds> eh, it saves me lots of resources ;)
19:42 < compdoc> Im a fool for virt-manager
19:42 < Psi-Jack> hehe, virt-manager is just a tool.
19:43 < tds> even the routers are LXC containers, which seems to work surprisingly well
19:43 < triceratux> btw fedora 28 still isnt using systemd-resolved. that seems strange to me. why would they develop such a functionality & then leave it to ubuntu to put it into production ?
19:43 < ayecee> lxc containers can't be live migrated from host to host afaik
19:43 < ayecee> 'course, if you structure the app so that it doesn't need to do that, it may not be a problem.
19:43 < compdoc> Im setting up my first ubuntu 18.04 server with KVM, but have to learn netplan first. its always something
19:44 < Psi-Jack> ayecee: Technically they can be, but it's... difficult.
19:44 < warrshrike> Fedora 28? cool
19:44 < warrshrike> but I mean't more like specifically desktop....
19:44 < Psi-Jack> Proxmox VE still hasn't figured out how, yet.
19:44 < tds> doesn't LXD have some fancy live migration magic now?
19:44 < warrshrike> gnome 3 seems to look the same as 7-8 years back
19:46 < Psi-Jack> Gnome 3.0 released in 2011. Not quite 7 years ago yet.
19:46 < Psi-Jack> :)
19:47 < warrshrike> ah...
19:47 < warrshrike> Has anyone tried the new windows 10 update?
19:47 < warrshrike> it seems really...slick
19:47 < warrshrike> from a UI angle
19:47 < ayecee> wrong channel?
19:47 < tds> warrshrike: I think you're on the wrong channel for that ;)
19:47 < Equalizer44> hellp
19:47 < Equalizer44> hello
19:48 < tds> hello
19:48 < warrshrike> no haha I'm mostly wondering if anyone shares the sentiment that linux-on-the-desktop has 'fallen back'
19:48 < Equalizer44> does ubuntu have spyware
19:48 < warrshrike> Equalizer44: fair enough but user experience matters
19:48 < warrshrike> I had good hopes for unity 8 in terms of pushing the fore front
19:48 < ayecee> Equalizer44: not in the sense that it once did, no.
19:48 < Equalizer44> is debian a better choice on that area
19:48 < Equalizer44> privacy
19:48 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: We don't. Please keep to Linux discussions
19:49 < ayecee> Equalizer44: probably not much difference on privacy.
19:49 < revel> triceratux: Have you installed Debian recently? does it have some opt-in data sharing thing?
19:49 < warrshrike> so I'm just wondering...whats new next for Linux? With canonical taking a back seat and pretty much letting the desktop thing roll on its is it just decay from here? Will linux be left even more solely to self hating counter culture types?
19:50 < warrshrike> Psi-Jack: ah got it...my bad :)
19:50 < Psi-Jack> ...
19:50 < tds> revel: I think they have an option to opt into the package "popularity contest" during the install
19:50 < rascul> yep, linux is going to only be for the self hating counter culture types
19:50 < revel> Ah, right, that.
19:50 < triceratux> revel: i got the debian 9.4 xfce iso configured. didnt look too deeply into data sharing. thats generally a canonical thing
19:50 < Equalizer44> Will Linux ever be used as integrated OS on popular laptop/computer brands
19:50 < Equalizer44> like HP laptops
19:50 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: Also, strongly recommend you not continue the hate line of communication. People here use Linux, not because they dislike it, but because they like it.
19:51 < rascul> Equalizer44 it is already
19:51 < revel> triceratux: I just think I remember *something* like that being on Debian, which is probably what tds said.
19:51 < Equalizer44> Not that I have seen them in popular tech shops
19:51 < Equalizer44> I d like to look around laptops all of them either have mac or windows
19:51 < warrshrike> Psi-Jack: yeah I'm hands off now....clearly not the right palce for a dicussion of linux's painful and receding user experience...I'll just stick to the *nix tech topics here. :)
19:52 < rascul> Equalizer44 have you heard of dell?
19:52 < triceratux> warrshrike: the work necessary to make linux presentable & robust for users has been done. by the android project. linux will have to be content with supercomputers & servers. i think linux will get over it
19:52 < Equalizer44> yes and the ones I looked at didnt have linux
19:52 < rascul> dell has been selling linux laptops for ~10 years
19:53 < Equalizer44> Is Linux for hipsters?
19:53 < revel> warrshrike: 10 rupees have been inserted into your bank account :D
19:53 < rascul> linux is for whoever wants to use it
19:53 < warrshrike> triceratux: I suppose you are right. But the way Android has handled linux's spirit sort of ruined it...they don't let their OEMS use forked versions etc.
19:53 < absurdistani> Equalizer44: linux is for hipsters insofar as linux is for all sentient beings who can use a computer to some extent
19:53 < revel> I feel like that term is used so widely you can say a hipster will use anything.
19:53 < Toaster_Strudel> duuuude, your getting a dell
19:53 < warrshrike> triceratux: yes linux is very succesful overall ofc the whole internet runs on it
19:54 < uplime> not the whole internet
19:54 < uplime> large parts do, sure
19:54 < revel> warrshrike: There's plenty of Android forks, what are you on about? Even most distributors modify their releases a ton.
19:54 < Toaster_Strudel> they hire a pothead to sell their computers, and then he gets arrested for pot, and the fire him?
19:54  * rascul closes the windows on his internet
19:54 < revel> See: MIUI.
19:54 < Equalizer44> can everyone on the internet install debian
19:54 < warrshrike> uplime: what? people actually run windows servers?
19:54 < debkad> revel: My previous problem about pulseaudio was solved just by removing ~/.config/pulse/* and restarting it, I can now hear the sound from 2 or more player :)
19:54 < uplime> warrshrike: yes, but theres more than windows and linux
19:55 < Toaster_Strudel> no, it's true. I seen the internet. it's running linux
19:55 < warrshrike> revel: you're missing the point. If an OEM sells a phone with a rival app store they disallow them from selling play store versions
19:55 < revel> debkad: The mpv thing? Since apparently cron opened another pulseaudo daemon when it tried running mpv for me...
19:55 < warrshrike> that effectively kills it for most manufacturers. China's case is different because of google ban
19:55 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: "of course" not "ofc" for future corrections. It does matter.
19:55  * debkad will test the systemd timer when i have times to that
19:56 < revel> warrshrike: Rival app stores? Like the one Samsung has?
19:56 < warrshrike> uplime: ah bsd and all that...yeah i guess.
19:56 < Toaster_Strudel> https://cdn.instructables.com/F3D/POXP/GYR369LM/F3DPOXPGYR369LM.LARGE.gif
19:56 < Toaster_Strudel> there is the picture of the internet
19:56 < debkad> revel: yeah that was solved by removing the config
19:56 < Toaster_Strudel> I know a guy.. he said it's got linux
19:56 < warrshrike> revel: rival app store without playstore on the phone*
19:56 < ekaj> Is there a way in vi to make the text you're searching for always appear at the top of the page, insetad of the cursor jumping around?
19:57 < warrshrike> revel: this basically set the precedent http://www.businessinsider.com/google-acers-aliyun-phone-2012-9
19:57 < Toaster_Strudel> ekaj: does vim do that?
19:57 < ekaj> I'm not sure
19:57 < Toaster_Strudel> probably does
19:57 < Toaster_Strudel> but why not use vim?
19:57 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: Funny. Google's ditching Linux too.
19:57 < Psi-Jack> Fructia or whatever its being called?
19:58 < ekaj> I don't care which, vim doesn't do it either if I just do a "/word"
19:58 < warrshrike> Psi-Jack: yeah they think it has too much bloat
19:58 < warrshrike> and backwards comp
19:58 < rascul> warrshrike that article has an incredibly low amount of information
19:58 < Psi-Jack> rascul: And very old/
19:58 < warrshrike> rascul: its a well documented case you can read up more on it...
19:58 < Toaster_Strudel> linux bloat compared to?
19:59 < rascul> warrshrike my point is that if you want to use a source to back a claim, make sure the source backs up the claim
19:59 < warrshrike> Toaster_Strudel: basically its a micro kernel architecture
19:59 < rypervenche> ekaj: grep is probably what you need. How would putting what you're searching for at the top of the page work or help?
19:59 < rascul> this one does not
19:59 < Toaster_Strudel> warrshrike: based off of unix?
19:59 < ekaj> I just want to cycle through a document fast that's the same stuff repeated over and over to see what fields change
19:59 < warrshrike> Toaster_Strudel: no...its a clean start
19:59 < uplime> warrshrike: what has a microkernel arch?
20:00 < warrshrike> uplime: futchia
20:00 < revel> Fuscia.
20:00 < Psi-Jack> And hurd (which  never worked)
20:00 < Toaster_Strudel> ekaj: you can ask in #vim, should be a simple setting I'd think
20:00 < ayecee> fyoosha
20:00 < trifesleuth> ^
20:00 < mawk> fuschia, please
20:00 < revel> Or fuschia?
20:00 < revel> Fucshia?
20:00 < mawk> :(
20:00 < mawk> f u s c h i a
20:00 < goban> whois goban
20:00 < debkad> sound like a chineese naming
20:00 < warrshrike> The idea is that the POSIX interface at the heart of *nix is outdated by 2 decades...
20:01 < mawk> sounds like german rather, debkad
20:01 < Psi-Jack> goban: You are.
20:01 < uplime> POSIX is pretty lame
20:01 < ayecee> debkad: it's an english word, though.
20:01 < mawk> but it's a color
20:01 < warrshrike> so Google thinks they can make everything faster and smoother by doing a fresh start based on latest principles and tech wisdom
20:01 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: No, that's not the idea.
20:01 < warrshrike> using a microkernel arch etc.
20:01 < trifesleuth> it's not a microcolonol though, that's zurgon
20:01 < warrshrike> Psi-Jack: well its what i got from this presentation i saw..
20:02 < rascul> probably they think they have a problem that hasn't been fully solved and they have the means to attempt this solution
20:02 < debkad> ah yes It is english, I just googled it now hehe
20:02 < warrshrike> rascul: ofc they do...its El-Goog...
20:02 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: "of course" not "ofc" for future corrections. It does matter.
20:02 < Toaster_Strudel> warrshrike: they are writing it from scratch with cpu instructions and machine code?
20:02 < Psi-Jack> warrshrike: That's 2.
20:03 < warrshrike> Psi-Jack: wow is that actually a rule?
20:03 < Psi-Jack> Yes
20:03 < warrshrike> MY bad
20:03 < rascul> it's not like a company creating their own kernel is anything new or even noteworthy really
20:03 < rascul> it's done quite often and nobody cares except this time it's google
20:03 < warrshrike> rascul: its not...but the Goog name means it gets media attention
20:04 < uptime_85> hi
20:05 < Psi-Jack> uptime_85: 85 seconds? Minutes? Hours? Days? Weeks? Months? Years?
20:05 < Psi-Jack> hehe
20:05 < rascul> ms
20:05 < revel> Days, ofc.
20:05 < ayecee> all of the above
20:05 < Psi-Jack> Oh! I forgot ms!
20:05 < uptime_85> Guys, I am trying to copy my SSH key to a remote server. I did that using ssh-cpoy-id. But still the server is asking for password auth
20:05 < uptime_85> 85 years..lol
20:05 < Psi-Jack> uptime_85: Did the ssh-copy-id actually work?
20:06 < bls> uptime_85: check the server logs, you've likely got bad permissions on your remote ~/.ssh or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
20:06 < uptime_85> Yes, it did. I can see my pub key listed in the authorized key list in remote server
20:06 < Psi-Jack> bls: ssh-copy-id is supposed to fix that. Well, maybe not fix, but set it up initially correctly.
20:06 < bls> Psi-Jack: yeah, and we've got a VM image here with .ssh set to 777 and authorized_keys set to 664 :P
20:07 < Psi-Jack> uptime_85: On the remote server: pastebin (not pastebin.com) stat ~/.ssh; stat ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
20:07 < uptime_85> Let me try that
20:08 < Psi-Jack> ~/.ssh should be u=rwx,go=, and ~/.ssh/authorized_keys can often times be u=rw,go=r
20:09 < uptime_85> Psi-Jack: Is that in remote server?
20:09 < revel> u=rwx,go=? As in, 700?
20:09 < revel> That's what it is for me, so I'll go with yes.
20:10 < Psi-Jack> uptime_85: Yes
20:10 < Psi-Jack> go= == group,other=no-perms
20:10 < Psi-Jack> So, yes. 700 is the equivalent octal
20:10 < Psi-Jack> I prefer human readable to octal. :p
20:10 < uptime_85> This is what I have in remove server now:
20:10 < uptime_85> [user@server .ssh]$ ll total 8 -rwx------. 1 user domain users 451 May  1 09:40 authorized_keys -rw-r--r--. 1 user domain users 407 Oct 14  2016 known_hosts
20:11 < uptime_85> -rwx------. 1 user domain users 451 May  1 09:40 authorized_keys
20:11 < Psi-Jack> Looks good.
20:11 < uptime_85> -rw-r--r--. 1 kramabhadran domain users 407 Oct 14  2016 known_hosts
20:11 < Psi-Jack> What's tha.. Please use pastebin!
20:11 < bls> authorized keys shouldn't be executable
20:11 < mawk> and the folder itself uptime_85 ?
20:11 < revel> Psi-Jack: 700 is plenty readable.
20:11 < Psi-Jack> you're breaking your paste..
20:12 < bls> 700 for .ssh, 600 for .ssh/authorized_keys
20:12 < Psi-Jack> revel: What's the string based 635 equivalent?
20:12 < Psi-Jack> 10 seconds.
20:12 < Psi-Jack> Fail. :)
20:12 < revel> u=rw,g=wx,o=rx
20:12 < funksh0n> Hi all.
20:12 < uptime_85> ok..let me change that to 600
20:12 < Psi-Jack> revel: Took you longer than 10 seconds to decipher that.
20:12 < funksh0n> What's a convenient way to test regex from a shell?
20:13 < bls> funksh0n: echo | grep
20:13 < revel> I also had to switch to this chat.
20:13 < Psi-Jack> :)
20:13 < revel> I was actually in the middle of something.
20:13 < revel> i.e letsencrypy cert update.
20:13 < revel> s/py/pt/
20:13 < mawk> funksh0n: [[ something =~ regex ]] && echo ok || echo ko
20:13 < rascul> sounds like fun, i don't update my certs ;)
20:13 < bls> funksh0n: and because we see it so often, make sure you're checking which syntax you're using
20:14 < uplime> funksh0n: what kind of regex do you want to try?
20:15 < funksh0n> uplime: all sorts, I usually use an online service where I enter the regular expression in on field, and the body in another
20:15 < uplime> funksh0n: not what pattern for the regex
20:15 < uplime> the flavor
20:15 < funksh0n> Looks like grep will do it.
20:15 < uplime> PCRE, ERE, BRE, etc
20:16 < funksh0n> oh, I'd have to be agnostic I suppose
20:16 < Psi-Jack> BRE, SRE, FE
20:16 < uplime> if you want BRE or ERE, then yes grep is fine
20:16 < bls> or python or JS or Java or emacs or vim
20:16 < Psi-Jack> Barren Realms Elite, Solar Realms Elite, Falcon's Edge, Falcon's Honor. (forgot FH earlier)
20:16 < funksh0n> I can do regex matching in vim?
20:16 < bls> funksh0n: yes
20:16 < funksh0n> nice
20:16 < uptime_85> Still no luck
20:17 < bls> /yourregexphere
20:17 < rascul> you can regex in nano too
20:17 < bls> uptime_85: then read the sshd logs
20:17 < Psi-Jack> Funny. I bet few here even know what I just mentioned. :)
20:17 < Psi-Jack> I know rascul does. :)
20:18 < bls> sounds like some nerdy sci-fi books
20:18  * haps enjoyed bre.
20:18 < Psi-Jack> Nope.
20:18 < rascul> i'm not currently at liberty to either confirm or deny such an allegation
20:18  * Psi-Jack ^5's haps.
20:18  * haps tries to ^5 back,but my joints are achin'
20:18 < haps> ooh my back.
20:18 < rascul> oh yeah, i know what they are, just needed a reminder
20:19 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:19 < andrzej> hey
20:19 < rascul> been like 20 years or so i guess
20:19 < Psi-Jack> haps: I actually still run a BBS, in Linux, on the internet, with door games including BRE, SRE, etc.
20:19 < andrzej> do you know why kernel sources of 4.9.25 have already applied patch 4.9.26 ?
20:20 < bls> andrzej: what makes you think that?
20:20 < Psi-Jack> andersh: Hmm, maybe Spectre?
20:20 < debkad> because someone decide to
20:20 < ayecee> pebkac
20:20 < haps> Psi-Jack: nice
20:21 < haps> Psi-Jack: I played on a 2-line bbs back in the day - chatting with another live user was always a 'woah wtf this is awesome' moment.
20:21 < andrzej> bls: because I have downloaded linux-4.9.25, unpacked it and tried to apply patch-4.9.26 on it and patch returned 'Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!  Assuming -R.' on entire patch-4.9.26
20:21 < haps> Psi-Jack: what's yer url?
20:21 < Psi-Jack> haps: https://deckersheaven.com
20:21 < bls> andrzej: that seems to imply an incorrect patch invocation
20:22 < triceratux> https://www.linux.org.ru/news/redhat/14184182
20:22 < haps> decker sheaven... you spelled shaven wrong :-]
20:22 < andrzej> bls: i checked in manually by opening patch and kernel files that should be patched and 4.9.25 is already pacthed with 4.9.26
20:22 < Psi-Jack> haps: LOl. No, I didn't. :p
20:23  * haps getting 503
20:23 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm
20:23 < haps> but bookmarked
20:23 < triceratux> rofl "This Fedora 28 release is special because it is believed to be the first release in their LONG HISTORY to release exactly when it was originally scheduled." https://jeremy.bicha.net/2018/05/01/congratulations-ubuntu-fedora/
20:23  * haps gets back to real work, thanks for the distraction
20:23 < Psi-Jack> haps: Yeah, been doing a lot of changes to my infrastructure, haven't gone through fully testing.
20:25 < andrzej> bls: sth is wrong because when I tried to patch 4.9.25 with patch-4.9.27 it shows same but for only some files, not all like with patch-4.9.26
20:28 < Psi-Jack> haps: Fixed. :0
20:29 < Psi-Jack> andrzej: "sth" is not in any known English. Please don't use sms-speak such as that.
20:29 < andrzej> excuse me,something
20:29 < Psi-Jack> Thank you. :)
20:29 < liveuser1> gparted reports a different partition layout from what has been written how can this be fixed manually
20:29 < bls> andrzej: don't the patches apply to the minor version, not the patch version?
20:30 < MrElendig> s/sth/sony the hedgehog/
20:30 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig++
20:30 < liveuser1> at some time an iso was data dumped on the disk, the first layout after zeroing then things were installed and gparted still reports the iso
20:30 < bls> oh, sth meant he was calling me a shithead
20:30 < andrzej> bls: hmm yeah probably you have right
20:30 < spare> partprobe
20:31 < funksh0n> How does one add a newline into a replace using vim?
20:31 < Psi-Jack> funksh0n: wut?
20:31 < funksh0n> :%s/<\//n<\/
20:31 < funksh0n> inserts literal /n
20:31 < peetaur> funksh0n: if a regex doesn't work, use a macro
20:31 < funksh0n> not a newline
20:31 < bls> funksh0n: s/a b/a<control>v<return>b/
20:31 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. /n is not \n
20:31 < peetaur> and yeah /n is probably never \n
20:32 < Psi-Jack> And.. Well, the rest of your expression is also borken, too.
20:33 < Psi-Jack> %s/<\/ Why? /n<\/ Why?
20:33 < andrzej> bls: omg ... I forgot to take incr/ patches ;p
20:33 < Psi-Jack> Why are you escaping the /s'?
20:33 < andrzej> bls: sorry :p
20:33 < bls> I smell SGML parsing
20:33 < bls> hail zalgo
20:33 < funksh0n> What would be a good expression for inserting a newline before every instance of '</'?
20:33 < funksh0n> don't worry I'm not going to start parsing html with regex :)
20:33 < Psi-Jack> :%s/<\//\n<\//gc
20:34 < Psi-Jack> using "c" to confirm, so you can  see it before fully running it.
20:35 < bls> you can also go anti-toothpick: :s!</!\n</!
20:35 < liveuser1> spare partprobe shows everything as it is written though not gparted
20:35 < funksh0n> I see, thank you.
20:36 < liveuser1> the table was written to mbr using fdisk at some time
20:36 < liveuser1> and the gpt is in use
20:36 < liveuser1> though gparted shows iso9660 entire drive
20:37 < jim> that makes sense, as iso9660 is usually for cdroms
20:38 < liveuser1> apparently jim there are three sources for reporting the table, which source is gparted looking at?
20:39 < triceratux> MrElendig: i read up on hkp:// & hkps:// & was going to try your fix & then the swagarch pacman didnt fail on the next boot. hate it when that happens. i get bored unless my linux is crumbling before my eyes. thanks for the help thats probably going to be the fix
20:39 < liveuser1> jim the partition table was rewritten with parted and fdisk and yet gparted still shows the iso dump
20:39 < jim> which sources are those?
20:39 < liveuser1> jim dos mbr, gpt, and unknown
20:40 < MrElendig> triceratux: switch to void then
20:40 < liveuser1> what is this unknown source gparted is using
20:40 < triceratux> MrElendig: rofl i just finised reading the phoronix post
20:40 < liveuser1> continuing to show the iso9660 as entire disk
20:40 < jim> what kind of partition table is there?
20:40 < liveuser1> both dosmbr and gpt
20:40 < liveuser1> gpt is in use
20:41 < liveuser1> the table was pulled from gpt and written to dosmbr in an attempt at fixing
20:41 < liveuser1> so where is gparted reading iso9660
20:41 < jim> ok... can I ask, what has you using an iso filesystem here?
20:41  * triceratux ran void up thru 20170220 & it was a laboratory for bughunting & then the next iso didnt really boot
20:42 < liveuser1> jim a rescue disk was used to prepare the disks on a system with no cdrom so it was dumped to disk booted for install and now gone
20:42 < liveuser1> so where is gparted reading iso9660
20:42 < fhrr> Hello, i have a file that is available via php script but it doesnt show up in ls output
20:42 < fhrr> I can find it by inode number
20:43 < fhrr> How do i get rid of it
20:43 < liveuser1> rescue disk is about the only bootable iso with usable partition tools
20:43 < liveuser1> so where is gparted reading iso9660
20:44 < fhrr> Can anyone help me?
20:44 < liveuser1> partitioning has been an ongoing recurring problem
20:44 < liveuser1> what is this third source of table data reporting iso9660
20:44 < jim> occupied right5 now fhrr
20:44 < MrElendig> gparted failing hard is pretty normal
20:44 < liveuser1> jiM can you or spare check the sourcecode of gparted
20:44 < rxs> fhrr: has the file been deleted? If a file doesn't show up in ls but does in php, it's possible that the file was unlinked and now is only open in the php process
20:45 < jim> liveuser1, actually I can't do that now... got an appt to prepare for
20:45 < fhrr> Well, that does make sense, thx
20:45 < rxs> also, the file might be hidden, so try using `ls -la`
20:45 < fhrr> Its not hidden
20:45 < rypervenche> fhrr: You can run "lsof | grep 'filename'" and see if it shows up in that output.
20:45 < liveuser1> spare?
20:46 < MrElendig> /tmp ?
20:46 < liveuser1> a hypothesis can be it doesn't manage having both tables well so it scans using the partition recovery mode
20:46 < liveuser1> though where is it going to find an iso9660 report
20:47 < rypervenche> fhrr: Run as root/sudo, of course.
20:47 < fhrr> Lsof doesnt return filename either
20:47 < rypervenche> fhrr: Then the file is not being used by any program. It's possible that the file was deleted by hardlinked to another location. You can do a "find" on your file system to find that inode if you like.
20:47 < rypervenche> s/by/but/
20:47 < fhrr> Well, i probably cant see the real lsof output, its a jail
20:48 < fhrr> I did find the file by inode, but it point to nonexistent descriptor
20:49 < liveuser1> if the partition creation is ever fixed backups can be well made and systems modified and freenode can really go
20:49 < fhrr> Anyway, thx
20:49 < liveuser1> it's been bork and zero for sometime now
20:49 < andrzej> bls: yes, with incrementals kernel has been patched correctly
20:50 < liveuser1> partitions arent saving and restoring so they get zeroed to start over
20:50 < denmar> I am using android
20:50 < denmar> does that mean im a Linux user
20:51 < absurdistani> denmar: linux user yes, gnu/linux user no.
20:52 < denmar> Gnu ?
20:52 < denmar> linux is a kernel
20:52 < denmar> yes?
20:52 < mawk> no
20:52 < mawk> linux is an icecream brand
20:52 < absurdistani> Linux is an OS kernel, yeah. GNU is the surrounding stuff.
20:52 < revel> IT's a kernel of corn.
20:53 < liveuser1> funny the gnome version of palimpsest reports the written tables
20:53 < denmar> gnu is like a coat ?
20:53 < denmar> A jacket
20:53 < mawk> not really
20:53 < absurdistani> with Android... you have like... the Linux kernel and then a JVM
20:53 < liveuser1> where does gparted grab iso9660
20:53 < mawk> gnu is everything but the core
20:53 < mawk> but not so much today
20:53 < meyou> gnu is the body
20:53 < meyou> linux is the brain
20:53 < absurdistani> well, you know, half of GNU was replaced with SystemD so there's that.
20:53 < meyou> or maybe the heart, the analogy kinda breaks down
20:54 < mawk> the brain is fine
20:54 < noway96> Question on /sys folder for USBs. If I ls into /sys/bus/usb/devices and check output it's 1-*, 2-*, 3-*, 4-*. What do these folders abstract? Also there are usb1, usb2, usb3, usb4 which are links to subdirectories inside the previously mentioned directories. What do those mean?
20:58 < liveuser1> yeah it reports partition table none
20:59 < liveuser1> so what is it doing to find iso9660
21:03 < MrElendig> it can't actually know what the data is, so it just makes a guess
21:03 < MrElendig> this is why a empty partition with no fs might show up as "ext4"
21:04 < liveuser1> yeah though it needs something to guess from
21:04 < liveuser1> apparently something of a trace of the iso is still showing
21:05 < MrElendig> it just looks for fingerprint in the data that is there
21:05 < liveuser1> MrElendig: though it has all been overwritten so where is it finding an iso9660 fingerprint
21:07 < MrElendig> post-mbr gap, or the first 446 bytes or whatever
21:07 < MrElendig> asuming you actuall overwrote the rest
21:07 < liveuser1> is it safe to wipe the first 446bytes?
21:07 < MrElendig> mkfs etc typically doesn't actually overwrite much at all
21:08 < liveuser1> it was expected writing a dosmbr table with fdisk overwrites all of the first blocks
21:08 < MrElendig> no
21:09 < liveuser1> at some time the gpt map was written on dos mbr using fdisk
21:09 < MrElendig> it will touch 447-512 and nothing else
21:09 < MrElendig> or if gpt: then it will touch some bytes in the post-mbr gap too
21:09 < liveuser1> does linux have a sys internals gui vizualizer?
21:09 < MrElendig> it won't touch the rest of the 8TiB or whatever your disk is
21:10 < liveuser1> for the first data blocks
21:10 < MrElendig> what is the actual problem though?
21:10 < liveuser1> at some time win32 had a visualizer
21:11 < liveuser1> MrElendig: gparted giving a false report of iso9660
21:12 < MrElendig> why do you care?
21:12 < MrElendig> if the system is working fine, don't mess with it
21:12 < MrElendig> and just forget that gparted exists
21:12 < mawk> is using TCP out-of-band data a bad idea ?
21:12 < MrElendig> sidenote: have you simply rebooted since messing with the partition table etc?
21:12 < MrElendig> and what device is this, a usb stick?
21:13 < Toaster_Strudel> fragmented packets are racist
21:13 < liveuser1> I care to look before doing a dd of the 446 bytes
21:13 < lovetruth> hello :)
21:13 < mawk> hi
21:13 < debkad> Hi
21:13 < lovetruth> why is my Windows 10 copying from D partition to my NTFS 1TB external HDD with 22 Mbps and on my linux, the same thing gets copied with around 4 Mbps!?...
21:13 < liveuser1> WIthout a gui program can dd pipe to standard out
21:14 < jml2> "triceratux ran void up thru 20170220 & it was a laboratory for bughunting & then the next iso didnt really boot"
21:14 < liveuser1> print the first 446 bytes on screen
21:14 < jml2> triceratux, for 'em noobs you need to say "void linux" XDXD
21:14 < jml2> triceratux, otherwise it sounds like you were in prison! :P
21:14 < MrElendig> kazdax: ntfs-3g is not fantasticly fast
21:15 < MrElendig> er.. liveuser1
21:15 < triceratux> jml2: well yeah, only n00bs would think id be off-topic on ##linux :)
21:15 < MrElendig> liveuser1: other than that: buggy usb drivers, system load, the moon phase etc
21:15 < MrElendig> urgh lovetruth ^
21:16 < lovetruth> moon phase?... :))))
21:16 < MrElendig> liveuser1: dd writes to stdout by default
21:16 < jml2> lovetruth, the ntfs-3g driver in linux is not meant for acceleration, it's intetionally slow because tuxera wants you to buy their own ntfs licensed drivers.. :)..
21:16 < debkad> NTFS is Windows side
21:16 < jml2> lovetruth, and too. could be problematic usb hardware not fully supported by linux
21:17 < jml2> time for MS to rename NTFS to OTFS
21:17 < MrElendig> jml2: uhm, ntfs-3g is the tuxera driver? :p
21:17 < nrg> lol
21:17 < lovetruth> I'm more enclined to believe it's the ntfs-3g... :)
21:17 < nrg> because its old
21:17 < jml2> MrElendig, lol
21:17 < lovetruth> the thing is... can I fix it with some open source, without buyinh tuxera's?...
21:18 < MrElendig> could make a test with different filesystems than ntfs
21:19 < jml2> https://www.tuxera.com/community/open-source-ntfs-3g/  --- dunno what their policy is now, but they have some MS license to have access to full ntfs specs..
21:19 < mawk> OOB: good or bad ?
21:19  * mawk tries again
21:19 < jml2> and yes the company is called "tuxera" -- quite an irony.
21:20 < phogg> jml2: they got access to specs and used clean room tactics to allow the information to escape a need for a license
21:20 < liveuser1> MrElendig: it is showing lilo so where is gparted guessing iso9660
21:21 < jml2> "Tuxera engineers have a high standing in the Linux community. They developed and now continue to maintain several open source file systems, VFS and other key kernel components."
21:21 < liveuser1> MrElendig: constant ongoing police harassment
21:21 < jml2> but I wouldn't praise them for ntfs... i completely avoid using it..
21:21 < jml2> LOL
21:21 < MrElendig> you ignored the rest of what I wrote and asked about, so /me goes back to watching brink playing faf
21:21 < liveuser1> MrElendig: it is breaking the font when dumping to screen / stdio
21:22 < MrElendig> that is to be expected
21:22 < MrElendig> terminals doesn't like it when you spew binary data onto them
21:22 < jml2> ^ that's why I don't help these "ma my ntfs is broken"
21:22 < liveuser1> the word LILO can be seen
21:22 < jml2> ask #tuxera.com  XDXD
21:23 < liveuser1> it isn't binary
21:23 < MrElendig> if you use lilo I got news for you son: it was deprecated and died years ago :p
21:23 < liveuser1> unless the stdio is interpreting it
21:23 < liveuser1> LILO and then EFI
21:23 < MrElendig> the bootloader certainly is binary
21:23 < liveuser1> nothing about iso9660
21:23 < MrElendig> it won't say "iso9660" in plaintext
21:24 < MrElendig> what is the problem with gparted showing the wrong thing?
21:24 < liveuser1> starting at the 5th character it reads LILO
21:24 < liveuser1> is that 1byte per block
21:24 < liveuser1> so the 5thbyte
21:25 < jml2> liveuser1, you can practice hex-bytes using flat files --- even end-users can play with a partitional table within ~/myrawfile.bin  ( dd if=/dev/zero of=myrawfile.bin bs=1M count=100)
21:25 < mawk> what's the fastest way to send ICMP messages to an ip ? from C
21:26 < MrElendig> define fastest
21:26 < mawk> simplest
21:26 < jim>   mawk, see how ping does it?
21:26 < mawk> yeah
21:26 < mawk> using a raw socket
21:26 < mawk> well I don't really want to send it using the raw socket, I just want the IPv4-encapsulated icmp message
21:27 < mawk> I need to stuff it through a tun device
21:27 < liveuser1> jml2: can do though it isnt a direct answer
21:27 < MrElendig> the simplest is to use some high level lib that takes care of all the mess for you
21:27 < MrElendig> preferable not using C in the first place :p
21:27 < mawk> lol
21:27 < mawk> I'm in C++ actually
21:27 < jim> ping's got a few bells and whistles, so you might have to skip over those
21:27 < Toaster_Strudel> lovetruth: intel repid storage running on the windows box?
21:27 < MrElendig> boost/qt/whatever
21:28 < mawk> Qt is a monster
21:28 < jml2> liveuser1, fwiw why or what, if you're studying storage, there's always things called "hexdump" to view even at offsets..
21:28 < mawk> boost might be preferable, but as far as I can remember boost isn't that low level
21:28 < MrElendig> or one of the million ping modules found on github etc
21:28 < mawk> I need the whole IPv4 packet, with the correct checksum and all
21:28 < mawk> yeah
21:28 < liveuser1> yeah jml2
21:29 < newpy> I'm looking for a good laptop for linux, any recommendations?
21:29 < mawk> or maybe it's a good time to start learning how to build ipv4 packets
21:29 < mutante> newpy: Thinkpads
21:29 < liveuser1> are you still working closly with police
21:29 < newpy> quick google recommends Dell XPS 13" but I'm leery
21:29 < MrElendig> mawk: that doesn't quite line up with the "simplest possible" requirement first stated
21:29 < MrElendig> :p
21:29 < mawk> lol
21:29 < mawk> yeah
21:29 < jml2> newpy, i heard good reviews for those linux developer laptops from dell (you know the XPS models)
21:29 < liveuser1> ignoring all law and using the prison complex to force move pieces
21:29 < MrElendig> should list all requirements up front
21:29 < jml2> newpy, i think they come with ubuntu pre-installed..
21:29 < liveuser1> to controll the media consumers
21:29 < jml2> newpy, there was news of also a newer model iirc
21:29 < newpy> jml2, interesting, may need to give dell another chance
21:30 < liveuser1> MrElendig: constant ongoing police harassment
21:30 < jml2> newpy, they have multiple ones now.. i can get that list
21:30 < mawk> calm down liveuser1
21:30 < MrElendig> liveuser1: /ns info fbi
21:30 < jml2> newpy, https://betanews.com/2017/11/14/dell-ubuntu-linux/
21:30 < liveuser1> is it lawful to remote control corpses if necrophilia is unlawful
21:30 < MrElendig> <insert conspiract theory here>
21:31 < mawk> lol
21:31 < MrElendig> oh a /whois with stalker.py explains liveuser1
21:31 < liveuser1> police be helpin?
21:31 < MrElendig> or rather, the switch in topic he is showing
21:31 < revel> stalker.py?
21:31 < jml2> newpy, if you're interested on where dell is going with linux, you may be interested on this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6t1kMVJkFk
21:32 < TaZeR> wtf i went out for shopping and when i came back i found a bunch of these in my logs "xscreensaver[3513]: pam_unix(xscreensaver:auth): auth could not identify password for [tazer]"
21:32 < MrElendig> revel: shows what other nicks a host/account/realname/etc have used
21:32 < jml2> newpy, i follow this interviewer on gplus..
21:32 < revel> Okay.
21:32 < TaZeR> and no "lid open" action after "lid closed" on the laptop
21:32 < TaZeR> yet there was failed auth on the lockscreen
21:32 < mutante> heh, somebody using g+
21:32 < liveuser1> are you still working closly with police jml2
21:32 < jml2> newpy, has nice informal things on his channel -- recently he had a talk with RMS on MS' release of its linux distribution
21:33 < jml2> liveuser1, did I say anything to offend you?
21:33 < liveuser1> what happened at guantanamo anyway jml2
21:33 < jml2> oO
21:33 < liveuser1> what was that all about?
21:33 < jml2> wrong user kiddo
21:33 < mawk> don't pretend you don't know what he's talking about
21:33 < mawk> we know you're a cop
21:34 < jml2> tfir used to be called muktware back a decade ago..
21:34 < liveuser1> apparently they have UDP lines surrounding the location
21:34 < jml2> I've been around with linux over a decade..
21:34 < liveuser1> no way to document it
21:34 < jim> wait, why are we being a cops?
21:34 < jml2> I also follow many opensource advocates... Swapnil is well known within the OSS community..
21:34 < jml2> ^ he has a pretty well known name,...
21:34 < jml2> and yes
21:34 < liveuser1> and when they get upset police show up
21:34 < jml2> I've spoke to him on occassions on gplus..
21:35 < jml2> he considers himself just another linux user..
21:35 < jml2> does that make me a cop? XD
21:35 < liveuser1> many many counts of obstruction of justice
21:35 < mawk> calm down liveuser1
21:35 < mawk> explain to us what's happening
21:35 < liveuser1> obstruction of justice looks like the main police function
21:35 < mawk> did you stop taking your neuroleptics ?
21:35 < mutante> yea, using g+ is kind of suspicious, nobody does that
21:35 < liveuser1> above battery
21:36 < solidfox> liveuser1, without police, everyone would just do whatever they want.
21:36 < jml2> mutante, Linus Torvalds and other top linux kernel developers frequently post things on a daily basis.  And note the "verified" tab icon XDXD
21:36 < solidfox> liveuser1, and there would be chaos
21:36 < jml2> liveuser1, so is Linus Torvalds a "cop too" ? XD
21:36 < liveuser1> many many counts of obstruction of justice
21:36 < jml2> liveuser1, are you such a noob. :))
21:36 < triceratux> without everyone, police would just do whatever they want
21:37 < liveuser1> if police do not prosecute any law it is obstruction
21:37 < liveuser1> they can walk by felony and felony
21:37 < iceCalt_> Hello everyone. Any way to get into the files of a luks encrypted partition? Got the correct keyphrase, but booting from different computers yield no luck. Mounting from computer already running OS yields in operation was cancelled.
21:37 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: cryptsetup open ....
21:37 < jml2> liveuser1, I'm in Canada, so I wouldn't care what they do with your stupid president.  As far as I know 50% of americans are either an idiot or common sense.  I think i'll keep my reservations.
21:37 < liveuser1> yet threat severe assult for another arbitrary detention
21:37 < jml2> liveuser1, thanks.
21:37 < jml2> LOL
21:37 < newpy> jml2, I have to restart, brb
21:37 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: thanks. Let me try this on a live system.
21:38 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: or luksOpen if you have a 200 year old cryptsetup
21:38 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: sidenote: luks 1 vs luks 2
21:38 < jml2> "police" kid.
21:38 < liveuser1> jml2: what part of canada?
21:38  * jml2 XD
21:38 < MrElendig> +can cause some issues
21:38 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: after unlocking you have to mount it
21:38 < liveuser1> there was that quote never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people
21:39 < jml2> iceCalt_, easy peasy
21:39 < jim> now I'm not quite understanding the problem here
21:39 < irwinz> i'm using TeraTerm with some custom colors, and trying to figure out how to change either the text color or the 'highlight' color, because it's hard to see
21:39 < irwinz> can anybody point me towards what that setting would be called? screenshot incoming
21:39 < jml2> iceCalt_, you need to create the mapping for luks container -- once you do you can then mount /dev/mapper/myencryptedvolume ...
21:40 < iceCalt_> jml2: iirc it's /dev/mapper/vg--root or the long alphanumeric ident
21:40 < jml2> iceCalt_, so if that's the one, you do a mount with that --- using that as a "device"  and then a mountpoint like /mnt/anything/
21:40 < irwinz> https://i.imgur.com/9dXrCUZ.png pic of what i'm talking about--the green squares with white text
21:41 < liveuser1> j0seph: what is the reccommended punishment for remote controlling corpses?
21:41 < mutante> irwinz: i think it's called .. "Color"
21:41 < irwinz> mutante: .
21:41 < MrElendig> a nobel price
21:41 < j0seph> liveuser1: a pat on the back
21:41 < j0seph> well done
21:42 < irwinz> liveuser1: amazing work
21:42 < j0seph> you achieved pseudo-necromancy
21:42 < Urchin> remote controlling corpses how?
21:42 < Urchin> spinal reflexes work, that's well known
21:43 < Urchin> the best known example would be the Lazarus sign
21:43 < liveuser1> start with the book of Jude
21:43 < noway96> How dose lsusb determine if a USB port is USB 1.0, 2.0. or 3.0?
21:44 < jml2> !ops liveuser1 hates the police
21:44 < MrElendig> noway96: it trawls /sys and hwdb
21:45 < jml2> noway96, no it shows what the device tree is..
21:45 < jml2> noway96, you may consider the lowest device tree numbers as port 1,port2, etc..
21:45 < MrElendig> noway96: bInterfaceClass
21:46 < mawk> OOB ?
21:46 < newpy> jml2, what would you say makes a laptop "good for linux" ?
21:46 < jim> hmmm?
21:46 < MrElendig> and so on
21:46 < jml2> newpy, one that comes pre-installed on it, and is fully supported by a company..
21:46 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: tryint to use mount by < mount /dev/sdd3 > ?
21:46 < mutante> newpy: not needing non-free firmware to make the hardware usable
21:46 < jim> newpy, one that can run it
21:46 < newpy> jim haha
21:47 < jml2> newpy, "intel nucboxes" are used by LT himself -- he even posts about it
21:47 < newpy> jim which hardware features are most laptops missing then?
21:47 < mutante> newpy: the number of other people who have installed it and blogged about it / results you find for "Linux on $model_number"
21:47 < mutante> newpy: wifi
21:47 < jim> 55" monitors?
21:47 < jml2> newpy, intel tests the main distributions on their nuc boxes... they even mention what linux distros you can run on them, on their own site..
21:48 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: no, after you open it it should be in /dev/mapper/
21:48 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: with whatever name you told cryptsetup open to use
21:48 < bls> newpy: the problems you'll hit are: missing wireless chipset drivers, buggy ACPI implmentations, missing video drivers or buggy GPU switching implementations
21:48 < jml2> newpy, intel parts == good for linux --  dell I think is trust worthy as well -- they've been having linux pre-installed on systems for a long time actually
21:48 < newpy> mutante, ah yea I noticed on my last laptop the wifi was really finicky when I tried dual booting linux
21:48 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: I did this -->   sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdd3 crucial
21:49 < MrElendig> mount /dev/mapper/crucial some/where
21:49 < jml2> iceCalt_, if that's correct and worked, then there should bea  /dev/mapper/crucial   device
21:49 < jim> yeah, that's true,,, I think laptops should have both ethernet and wireless, and for linux, probably atheros wireless chipsets (they're better at supporting linux drivers and such)
21:49 < bls> dell may have pre-installs, but you get what you pay for
21:49 < MrElendig> and do use open instead of luksOpen unless your cryptsetup is ancient
21:50 < jml2> i like dells' devision of alienware laptops...
21:50 < MrElendig> jim: ath10k is rather horrible
21:50 < jml2> those look nice..
21:50 < iceCalt_> mount: can't find /dev/mapper/crucial in /etc/fstab
21:50 < MrElendig> jim: atheros decided to go back to their old ways of not caring at all about open source again
21:50 < newpy> bls, get what you pay for? as in dell is cheap?
21:50 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: please read what I said
21:50 < bls> newpy: yes
21:50 < jml2> iceCalt_, you need to setup cryptsetup to define crucial..
21:50 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: that last some/where bit is not optional
21:51 < irwinz> You are using Glances version 2.10, however version 2.11.1 is available.
21:51 < irwinz> You should consider upgrading using: pip install --upgrade glances
21:51 < irwinz> why am i getting this everytime i use glances?
21:51 < jim> MrElendig, that's pretty bad news
21:51 < jml2> iceCalt_, crypsetup implementation differs across distros, so you need to follow your distro on how to use encrypted volumes with it
21:51 < newpy> bls, ah yea just checked, $750 is really cheap for a laptop
21:51 < MrElendig> jim: https://media.ccc.de/v/32c3-7375-wireless_drivers_freedom_considered_harmful
21:52 < MrElendig> jml2: the cryptsetup cli tool is the same, the helper stuff to automount at boot is what differs
21:52 < liveuser1> jml2: near the radar equipment?
21:52 < bls> newpy: it's been documented that they knowingly ship bad/faulty products with the expectation of eating the replacement costs. if you're willing the take a chance on getting a good machine at a low cost, good. if you need it to be dependable, not so much
21:52 < jml2> MrElendig, correct, but the boot-up scripts differ
21:52 < jml2> they differ
21:52 < jml2> they differ
21:52 < jml2> :)
21:52 < iceCalt_> sudo mount /dev/mapper/crucial /mnt
21:52 < iceCalt_> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
21:53 < Psi-Jack> Correct.
21:53 < Psi-Jack> There is no filesystem type of that...
21:53 < MrElendig> ok, then you have to vgchange -ay
21:53 < MrElendig> and then mount the actual lvm somewhere
21:53 < newpy> bls, did you recommend a laptop yet? I might have missed it in the sea of text
21:53 < MrElendig> s/lvm/lv/
21:53 < liveuser1> isn't it the flagship of canadian military, the radar
21:54 < MrElendig> after vgchange -ay the LVs should show up in /dev/mapper
21:54 < jml2> Dell didn't just come out of a closet and say here's new laptops, they offered a dell XPS developer laptop iirc back in 2013..
21:54 < bls> newpy: no, I generally stick to X or T series thinkpads as I've had much better experiences with them
21:54 < jml2> due to demand and "positive" response they announced newer models..
21:54 < newpy> bls, I like lenovo as a company
21:54 < jml2> so if you don't like to take my advice, then hey nobody is stopping you to shop elsewhere
21:55 < newpy> jml2, dell xps is still top of my list
21:55 < newpy> jml2, just trying to get a few alternatives to compare
21:55 < bls> and those XPS machines were shipped with known buggy BIOSes that impacted all OSs
21:55 < MrElendig> newpy: you like a company that intentionally break ssl/tls, installs spyware and so on?
21:56 < MrElendig> and does hardware whitelisting?
21:56 < uplime> is tls really all that important though?
21:56 < jml2> MrElendig, maybe spectre was intentional
21:56 < jml2> MrElendig, LOL
21:57 < newpy> MrElendig: I wasn't aware -- what's hardware whitelisting btw?
21:57 < noway96> MrElendig, jml2, I'm not expert on the USB specs. Is there anyway to look at each device leaf node (folder) in /sys/bus/usb/devices/1-0:1.0/ etc to determine if the corresponding port is USB 1, 2, or 3?
21:57 < neoncortex> that's a problem I'm tryig to find a solution, we have relatively good software, Linux and BSD's, but not hardware
21:57 < MrElendig> newpy: make the machine reject any non-"certified" hardware
21:57 < neoncortex> #trying
21:57 < newpy> ah
21:57 < jml2> noway96, simply plug something in and use lsbusb?
21:58 < MrElendig> newpy: eg stopping you from installing any wifi card you want
21:58 < newpy> MrElendig: I dont tend to swap parts on laptops
21:58 < noway96> jml2 but I'm looking for a way to do this without anything plugged in the port
21:58 < jml2> noway96, then take a little piece of paper and wirte USB1 and stick it above the usb port on the computer main chassis
21:58 < MrElendig> noway96: cat speed
21:58 < MrElendig> etc
21:58 < jml2> noway96, use sticky notes
21:58 < MrElendig> noway96: lsusb code is not that hard to read btw
21:58 < jml2> noway96, they're still handy even in the year 2018..
21:58 < MrElendig> noway96: also see the usb docs in the kernel documentation
21:59 < jml2> noway96, good 'ol sticky notes never wear away buddy
21:59 < jml2> noway96, I still use 'em myself :)
21:59  * jml2 loves his sticky notes :))
22:00 < liveuser1> jml2: near the radar?
22:00 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: after a few attempts I'm unable to figure out vgchange -ay.
22:00 < jml2> MrElendig, your wife is still bothering me
22:00 < jml2> lol
22:01 < liveuser1> jml2: I've read over the nucleur was scenarios though each encounter with somebody is an event which can cooberate the accuracy of the reports.
22:01 < mawk> I found a bug in iproute2
22:01 < mawk> give me a medal
22:01 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: you just run vgchange -ay  and then ls /dev/mapper
22:01 < liveuser1> jml2: have you seen any of Canada's warpower?
22:01 < jml2> uplime, yes it is.. i just started using secure dns for all my workstations.. and it so easy to setup using dnsmasq+cloudflared(argo tunnel binary)
22:02 < neoncortex> also, I want one of these https://www.mobileuserexperience.com/wp-content/uploads/img_20171208_1536177.jpg
22:02 < bls> mawk: make Linus write you a cheque ala Knuth?
22:02 < jml2> uplime, no more dns hi-jacking from isps ..
22:02 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: thanks! Now I see that crucial has luks-somethingAlphanumerical mint-vg-swap_1
22:02 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: may also be named /dev/<volume_group>/<logical_volume>
22:03 < liveuser1> jim has jml2 ignored my nick?
22:03 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: fdisk -l gives Disk /dev/mapper/crucial: 222,8 GiB, 239260925952 bytes, 467306496 sectors
22:03 < MrElendig> fdisk will not show it
22:04 < newpy> MrElendig: how does dell rate re: ssl/tls hardware whitelisting etc?
22:04 < noway96> MrElendig, speed is a nice hack. But how does the kernel set this? I'm having trouble finding the docs for the /sys/bus/devices directory
22:05 < newpy> uplime: why do you say tls doesn't matter?
22:05 < MrElendig> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/
22:05 < jml2> noway96, that's all documented with kernel.org  and there's also additional things man sysctl.conf
22:05 < MrElendig> and a few other bits inside there
22:05 < uplime> newpy: it was a joke
22:05 < jml2> noway96, settings for sysctl now go under the sysctl.d/ folder ... ther'es still outdated documentation online mentioning to edit the base /etc/sysctl.conf file
22:05 < uplime> although i kind of wish tls would die
22:06 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: sudo mount /dev/mapper/crucial /media -> mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'
22:06 < MrElendig> noway96: if you can't read C, see the source for lsusb.py (it is horrible, but somewhat more readable than C, though it doesn't use hwdb)
22:06 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: you ignored what I said again
22:07 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: 22:02:47        MrElendig | iceCalt_: may also be named /dev/<volume_group>/<logical_volume>
22:07 < MrElendig> after vgchange -ay
22:07 < jml2> uplime, tls's newest is still novel and to last... it replaces the old ssl...  marketing-wise "ssl" is being used to advertise for "tls" -- technically people know the difference
22:07 < jml2> uplime, and it is "ssl" that is dying :P
22:08 < jml2> uplime, ssl-> is bad, tls1.2+ is good
22:08 < bls> netcraft confirms it?
22:08 < uplime> jml2: yes im aware
22:08 < uplime> i still want tls to die off
22:08 < jml2> uplime, but "ssl" marketed -- you should know they mean "tls" :)) confusion :P
22:08 < uplime> im not confused
22:08 < jml2> uplime, you want everything to die off
22:08 < uplime> not really
22:08 < uplime> ive literally only said tls
22:08 < jml2> uplime, not good!
22:08 < jml2> uplime, must fork and use!
22:08 < uplime> tls is a terrible form of security
22:08 < jml2> uplime, fork fork fork!
22:08 < uplime> wat
22:09 < uplime> i have no idea what you're going on about
22:09 < jml2> uplime, you must be forked!!
22:09 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: isn't volume_group mapper and logical volume crucial in this case?
22:09 < jml2> uplime, tls will never die!
22:09 < jml2> uplime, never!
22:09 < uplime> unfortunately
22:09 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: ls will tell you what they are named
22:10 < bls> what would we use in place of TLS?
22:10 < uplime> bls: thats the problem
22:10 < uplime> nothing better exists
22:10 < Psi-Jack> uplime: wut?
22:10 < uplime> Psi-Jack: ?
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22:10 < Psi-Jack> TLSv1.3 is awesome
22:11 < bls> so we should get rid of TLS and go back to not encrypting anything?
22:11 < uplime> I'll admit I haven't messed much with TLS1.3
22:11 < uplime> bls: I am all for security. I just don't like TLS as the security
22:11 < jml2> Psi-Jack, DoH is awesome.. I'm using it for all my workstations
22:11 < jml2> Psi-Jack, noob :Ppp
22:11 < Psi-Jack> D'oh
22:11 < jml2> Psi-Jack, easy peasy to setup.
22:11 < jml2> Psi-Jack, cloudflared (argo tunnel) and blamb!
22:11 < MrElendig> the main problem with tls is not tls itself, but the CAs and web of trusts
22:11 < jml2> all my dns encrypted...
22:11 < Psi-Jack> Still stupid. Dns over https
22:12 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: like this?  /dev/mapper/crucial                                   [     222,83 GiB] LVM physical volume
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, beat that Psi-Jack
22:12 < uplime> MrElendig: thats a huge part of the problem, definitely
22:12 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: no......
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, faster than Google's dns too here..
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, and better than you
22:12 < uplime> x509 just isn't a great form of authentication anymore :/
22:12 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: tree /dev and post it in a sane pastebin
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, you don't use encrypted dns because you don't know how to do it :p
22:12 < uplime> which tls kind of depends on
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, HAHAHAHAHA
22:12 < MrElendig> or you can ask the lvm tool about the names
22:12 < jml2> Psi-Jack, !!!! :p
22:13 < Psi-Jack> I just haven't bothered yet. Instead I've been setting up vxlans
22:13 < jml2> oh I'm sure you're able to set it up..
22:13 < MrElendig> asuming whatever you have booted actually supports lvm
22:13 < Psi-Jack> When I want
22:13 < jml2> it's easy... i'm telling you -- a quick check with tcpdump -i <interface> host 1.1.1.1  << very easy to test..
22:13 < jml2> took me under an hour to read and learn on how to set it up..
22:13 < Psi-Jack> I'm looking into the DoT method soon.
22:14 < MrElendig> but can you trust cloudflare
22:14 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: do I need to install tree first?
22:14 < jml2> problem is most people don't bother into knowing how to disable certaing resolvconf things, enabling dnsmasq, etc... and that's where things can go wrong..
22:14 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: if you don't have it, yes
22:14 < MrElendig> or you could start with ls
22:14 < jml2> but other than that it's pretty much two or three steps and voila. done.. no more dns-hijacking from your ISP.
22:14 < iceCalt_> Thanks. Will try now.
22:14 < bls> yes, swap trust in one company for another
22:14 < jml2> screw all ISP's with their dns hijacking.. that's a dam problem..
22:14 < MrElendig> or lvdisplay
22:15  * jml2 no more dns-hijacking ever again.. thank goodness..
22:15 < Psi-Jack> jml2: I just can't trust Google dns
22:15 < MrElendig> or pvdisplay -v -m
22:15 < MrElendig> many ways to skin the cat
22:15 < Psi-Jack> When using Google dns twice now there were times I couldn't even get to Google
22:16 < triceratux> jml2: dnsmasq hah ! can you use DoH with systemd-resolved ?
22:17 < Psi-Jack> When you can't even get to the providers own websites that may bad..
22:17 < Psi-Jack> That's just bad...
22:18 < bls> ...but this is a different company than google!
22:18 < jml2> triceratux, no dnsmasq does it when I set ->> /etc/dnsmasq.d/my_cloudflares.conf  -- and set "server=127.0.0.1#5053"   ----  cloudflared intentionally cannot start listening on port 53 so that nobody is stupid enough (a lot of incompetent admins)  --- I then use a "prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in my /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
22:18 < jml2> triceratux, ^
22:18 < Psi-Jack> bls: but I was using Google's dns. And couldn't get to Google.com
22:19 < jml2> triceratux, that way if cloudflare ever decides to pull away their free dns service, i automatically can have dnsmasq to use my ISPs nameservers..
22:19 < jml2> triceratux, theoretically it is possible to use advanced iptables so that I dont have to use dnsmasq at all
22:19 < bls> Psi-Jack: I realize that. was responding to the half of the repetitive marketing pitch that this is better because it's cloudflare instead of google
22:19 < spare> i still dont get why the entire basis for email security spf dmark dkim and mx record redirecting tls common names is all based on asking anyone on the internet for a clear text dns response and cname redirection as well : /
22:19 < jml2> triceratux, I can have requests for localhost:53 to be redirected to localhost:5053
22:20 < jml2> triceratux, /usr/local/bin/cloudflared is doing what dnsmasq does-- except that it is the one connecting to cloudflared.com
22:20 < spare> whats the point in getting dmark key fingerprints in cleartext and why does every webserver default to sending a cleartext password reset form to any domain replied to in a cleartext mx request
22:20 < jml2> triceratux, its hard to see the connections unless i draw a diagram..
22:21 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qpqSpnGTQx/ contains pvdisplay -v -m; lvdisplay and vgdisplay
22:21 < MrElendig> clearly says  Logical volume /dev/mint-vg/root
22:21 < MrElendig> which a ls /dev would also have shown you
22:21 < jml2> triceratux, there's two packages you don't need, and that is systemd-resolved (if its packaged) and resolvconf
22:22 < jml2> triceratux, you use ubuntu things, so last time i checked "systemd-resolved" is not packaged separately.. so you could be doing -> systemctl disable systemd-resolved and disable it
22:22 < jml2> triceratux, there's another systemd-resolved-check-resolv<somthing>-path   long name service that can be disable as well
22:22 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: ls /dev gives me so many objects ranging from block to zero in different colors
22:22 < jml2> triceratux, the good thing is you can have 1.1.1.1 for all your distros..
22:23 < jml2> triceratux, that's one common setup for any of your live usb things..
22:23 < jml2> triceratux, never worry about what network, wifi access point you're on etc...
22:23 < jml2> triceratux, 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1 :p
22:23 < jml2> triceratux, easy to remember those two ip numbers :)
22:23 < MrElendig> you could run it on your router and have it adverticed over dhcp on your network
22:23 < jml2> triceratux, using their encrypted-dns daemon of course..
22:24 < jml2> MrElendig, correct, that's the best solution
22:24 < jml2> MrElendig, dnsmasq can be used in conjunction to this
22:24 < jml2> MrElendig, if cloudflared can be started immediately by listening on port 53 and be customized to, then it would be much easier...
22:25 < jml2> MrElendig, but I think the cloudflare devs didn't want this in order to prevent much conflict problems with other things that could be listening on
22:25 < jml2> MrElendig, (port 53, ..)
22:25 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: by lvs it shows me two devices with LV root and VG mint-vg
22:26 < jml2> cloudflared makes its calls to 1.1.1.1:443 over the wan port..
22:26 < jml2> tcpdump shows me this.. so I know it is using the secure https port known as 443 we all know about
22:27  * jml2 bendews.com/posts/implement-dns-over-https/
22:31 < jml2> my ifupdown (i use /etc/network/interfaces not NM), so it uses dhclient by default ... one would have to know what dhcp client and accomodate changes where necessary (eg, if NM then whereever a "prepend" equivalent statement can be made)
22:32 < Heston> hello, can anyone explain to why when dd'ing an iso onto a usb stick that dd reports x amount of records copied over but in fdisk, the partition is reported using 1 less 512kb sector?
22:34 < koala_man> Heston: the image size is not really related to the partition size
22:35 < Heston> then why is it exactly 1 sector less than reported by dd?
22:36 < Heston> koala_man, and when verifying the hash of the copied data, I have to tell dd to include that last sector to get the correct value
22:36 < tds> haven't you also copied over the partition table itself (which is 1 sector)?
22:36 < Heston> i have
22:36 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: I'll use the external device on a linux system without any self-owning encrypted devices.
22:37 < Heston> tds, but fdisk still reports that the start is 0 and the end is -1 less than reported by dd
22:39 < Heston> unless fdisk is assuming sector 0(1) is for the partition table and not including it in the count
22:39 < lukey> Heston: Maybe the Partition is just one sector smaller than the image. This should't be a problem except if dd reports "no space left on device"
22:39 < lukey> Heston: or i/O errer etc.
22:40 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: mount /dev/mint-root/root some/where
22:40 < Heston> lukey, it's just that in order to get the same hash as the iso, im doing `sudo dd if=/dev/sdb count=2787776` | sha256sum   where count is the exact number of records that dd reported as being copied
22:40 < Heston> fdisk says the partition is only 2787775 sectors
22:41 < Heston> starting from 0
22:41 < Heston> hmm, maybe that's the answer itself, sector 0 is a sector
22:41 < lukey> Heston: partition (sdb1) != sdb
22:42 < Heston> why does that matter?
22:42 < Heston> it's the only data that was copied onto the drive
22:43 < MrElendig> sdb includes the mbr, which happens to be 512 bytes
22:43 < maxzor> hello, how do you cp a file "too large"? (20G VM)
22:43 < MrElendig> so sdb1 will be atleast 512 bytes less
22:43 < MrElendig> maxzor: you don't
22:44 < Heston> MrElendig, but fdisk reports sdb1 starting at sector 0
22:44 < jml2> maxzor, tar/compress it with the sparse option and it will come down to a couple gig :)
22:45 < noway96> MrElendig, so in your code do you determine if USBs are 2.0 or 3.0 or 1.0? How? I'm going through it and it's incredible how much easier it is to read python than C.
22:45 < maxzor> so i can download it with ftp over the internet but cp fails? oO
22:45 < jml2> cp over the internet?
22:45 < MrElendig> noway96: not my code, it is just a git clone of usbutils with lsusb.py just quick and dirty ported to py3
22:45 < jml2> huh?
22:45 < mawk> using dd with a reasonable block size maxzor maybe
22:45 < maxzor> no cp on a sdcard to transfer between laptops ^
22:46 < MrElendig> and it just goes by the speed really
22:46 < mawk> but 20 Gio doesn't look too large at all for me
22:46 < maxzor> mawk right
22:46 < MrElendig> it doesn't actually say that it is usb 1/2/3
22:46 < Heston> anyways that would make sense, thanks guys
22:46 < mawk> in 64 bits you have 64 Tio of virtual memory
22:46 < MrElendig> same with lsusb
22:47 < MrElendig> if it eg says Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub, that string comes from the hwdb
22:47 < sstory> I tarred a directory that comes with a full path. it only contains some files. I would like to untar it forgetting the stored path to a certain different folder. How can I do that?
22:47 < MrElendig> based on the type/vid/pid
22:48 < lukey> sstory: --exclude=
22:48 < noway96> MrElendig, ok thanks
22:48 < mawk> he wants to trim some prefix from the paths lukey
22:49 < mawk> not exclude files
22:49 < sstory> example: tarred /home/username/somedir/blah/blah/foo that contins a few files. I would like to untar that to /home/username/Desktop/somedir
22:49 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: Alright. I did. "sudo mount /dev/mint-vg/root /media
22:50 < sklv> hi, if in 'ip route' there is an entry '192.168.1.0/24 dev enp5s0f0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.11' then what do i have to do to delete the route
22:50 < sstory> sklv: https://access.redhat.com/articles/ip-command-cheat-sheet
22:50 < mawk> sklv: ip route del 192.168.1.0/24 dev enp5s0f0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.11
22:51 < MrElendig> sstory: man ip-route comes with examples
22:51 < sklv> i have tried many variations of ip route del and they all return either invalid argument or worse
22:51 < sstory> MrElendig: maybe but I printed this cheatsheet out for my own sanity. Thought he might find useful
22:52 < MrElendig> you don't have to be that explit, ip route will work as long as it can uniquely identify the route
22:52 < MrElendig> otherwise the syntax is the same as ip r add
22:52 < lukey> sstory: --strip-components=<n> in that case where n is the number of directories you want to "drop" from the left
22:53 < sstory> lukey: do I have to CD to destination before doing that?
22:53 < sstory> cd
22:53 < sklv> mawk: that worked, tyvm
22:54 < MrElendig> https://baturin.org/docs/iproute2/
22:55 < lukey> sstory: Yes, in your case, "tar -xf <archive> --strip-components=5 home/username/somedir/blah/blah/foo" would extract the directory foo to the current folder
22:55 < sstory> lukey: Thanks! I will try that out
22:55 < sklv> i tried 'ip route del 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.1.11' which is what baturin.org implies is the correct command and got 'no such process'
22:56 < MrElendig> also works if you set the working dir, for tar implementations that supports that
22:56 < mawk> because that's not what your route is sklv
22:56 < MrElendig> uhm that is a strange error
22:56 < mawk> your route is ... src 192.168.1.22, there is no via
22:56 < mawk> the error messages are strange sometimes, here it just means that there is no such route
22:56 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: I did "sudo mount -t ext4 /dev/dm-1 /mnt" now. Seems like this command didn't throw any error or anything like that.
22:57 < mawk> it's just a generic linux error message, it does its best to have a one that matches the situation
22:57 < MrElendig> don't need -t
22:57 < mawk> sklv: just ip route del 192.168.1.0/24 should work
22:57 < mawk> with dev enp5s0f0 sorry
22:59 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: removing the -t ext4 part gives mount: /dev/mapper/mint--vg-root is already mounted on /media and /mnt. Also I see the username of the external device as in /mnt/media/username/A002-D848
22:59 < MrElendig> obviosly you can't do it again
23:01 < mawk> is TCP out-of-band bad ?
23:01 < mawk> it looks cool for my new application
23:02 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: is there a way to access the files? I opened the /mnt/media/username as administrator now. There is 1 item, free space: 57.6 GB but 0 items in the folder?
23:03 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: what are you actually trying to see?
23:03 < MrElendig> accessing /mnt/media/username/A002-D848 makes no sense at all
23:03 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: the files on the encrypted luks volume
23:04 < MrElendig> ls /mnt
23:05 < jml2> iceCalt_, you should be referring to /dev/mapper/* things .. not /dev/dm*
23:06 < jml2> iceCalt_, it's not dangerous, it is by convention
23:06 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: so in the /mnt/home/username there are two files. Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop and README.txt. Am I correct to assume that this the place where the files must be? And are protected somehow?
23:06 < iceCalt_> jml2: thanks! I need to learn a lot about gnu
23:06 < jml2> iceCalt_, excuse me?
23:06 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: you just mounted the root partition
23:06 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: you didn't mount whatever was mounted to /home
23:06 < iceCalt_> jml2: I'm sorry. I am not good with computers.
23:06 < jml2> mountpoint is a nice test command
23:07  * MrElendig suggest reading that readme
23:07 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: alright. The readme file tells me some stuff. Let me try
23:07 < MrElendig> you could read /mnt/etc/fstab and see what it mounts to /home
23:08 < triceratux> MrElendig: i just fixed the swagarch pacman at sessiontime by saying SigLevel = TrustAll in the /etc/pacman.conf. now its not failing again so i cant confirm the fix :P
23:08 < iceCalt_> mnt/etc/fstab gives me nothing about /home
23:09  * triceratux assumes thats a nontrivial security risk
23:09 < MrElendig> that isn't a fix
23:09 < triceratux> no doubt
23:10 < MrElendig> that's like going "hey, this guy sounds legit" when they call you from "microsoft" and tells you that your computer has some issue that they have to fix over the phone
23:10 < MrElendig> :p
23:14 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig: Hey! You're computer has some issues that needs to be fixed. I'll need your credit card number, social security number, and root access.
23:15 < xamithan> Why do I never get those calls
23:15 < MrElendig> I don't, my parents have 3 phones and get them constantly on one of them
23:15 < MrElendig> but only on the one number
23:16 < MrElendig> and by constantly I mean 5+ times a day
23:16 < Psi-Jack> The honeypot phone number? heh
23:16 < aib> umm, I'm seeing a constant 150 MB/s read in one drive and 150 MB/s write in the other in a RAID 1 configuration in iostat... is this normal?
23:17 < xamithan> While it is sycing initially, sure
23:17 < xamithan> *syncing
23:17 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: can it be that my files are in ~/username/.Private ?
23:18 < MrElendig> no idea what insane things mint does
23:18 < iceCalt_> Its properties are currently counting upwards ~40GB
23:18 < iceCalt_> So I assume all I need is to somehow "unlock" all files?
23:18 < aib> ahh okay, I had assumed so but miscalculated the sync time... 3 TB should be done in ~5 hours
23:18 < rypervenche> Encrypted homedir
23:18 < Psi-Jack> Bleh, ecryptfs?
23:18  * aib is seeing RAID for the first time
23:18 < iceCalt_> yes. seems like ecryptfs and encrypted homedir
23:19 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. I recommend not using that.
23:19 < rypervenche> +1
23:19 < rypervenche> LUKS ftw
23:19 < s33r> are there any benefits to encrypting a HDD besides limiting physical access?
23:19 < Azrael_-> what about the encryption feature of ext4? until now i only used luks
23:19 < xamithan> encryption doesn't benefit physical access
23:20 < xamithan> *limit
23:20 < jml2> slack irc is impressive
23:20 < rypervenche> One can easily modify a kernel to output your input key.
23:21 < Psi-Jack> jml2: What?
23:21 < iceCalt_> Do I need to use a live CD in order to decrypt it all? I don't know if trying it from an already installed OS yet.
23:21 < jml2> yep
23:21 < rypervenche> or initramfs
23:21 < mutante> slack is crap and not irc
23:21 < jml2> its many things
23:21 < Psi-Jack> Slack's IRC is going bye bye
23:21 < s33r> slack is bloat
23:21 < Psi-Jack> s33r: No..   Youuuu!
23:21 < koala_man> s33r: it makes it easier to upgrade. if a drive breaks, you can toss it out instead of having to dip the thing in acid
23:21 < jml2> slack.com --- starting using it couple days ago
23:21 < xamithan> But smashing them with sledge hammers is fun
23:21 < jml2> i host no project, but user support there is neat -- has intuitive file sharing
23:21 < s33r> Psi-Jack: lol
23:22 < xamithan> Who doesn't want to steal the HDD magnets
23:22 < mutante> trhttps://medium.com/@chrisjbatts/actually-slack-really-sucks-625802f1420a  https://www.fastcompany.com/40433793/my-company-tried-slack-for-two-years-this-is-whywe-quit
23:22 < rypervenche> If properly done, an OFFLINE encrypted drive can be secure, but online nope.
23:22 < iceCalt_> Oh. >sudo ecryptfs-recover-private< does something now.
23:22 < koala_man> xamithan: my drives don't have magnets, I'm not into retrocomputing
23:23 < Psi-Jack> koala_man: 100% SSD?
23:23 < s33r> rypervenche: thats what i thought, so long as pc is running (drive is actively being decrypted) then your data is accessable over the wire just as easy as unencrypted
23:23 < xamithan> Only rich people use full SSD
23:24 < koala_man> Psi-Jack: pretty much
23:24 < j0seph> slack is electron, so slack is ew.
23:24 < Psi-Jack> "pretty much" != 100%
23:24 < Psi-Jack> j0seph: Well, the desktop client itself is, yes.
23:24 < Azrael_-> is there any advantage of the encryption feature of ext4 compared to luks?
23:24 < koala_man> Psi-Jack: some network storage that may or may not be backed by magnets that I can't get my hands on
23:24 < s33r> j0seph: like i said, its bloat :)
23:24 < rypervenche> s33r: Pretty much. You can get the master LUKS key if you have root
23:25 < j0seph> s33r: a lot of things based on electron are.
23:25 < s33r> j0seph: i thought VScode was cool until i saw it using a gig of ram opening a giant json file
23:25 < s33r> then the hatred of electron began
23:26 < j0seph> s33r: same, but with atom instead. i quite liked it and then i saw what it was doing and i was pretty pissed. been with sublime text ever since.
23:27 < CHVNX> Is Atom still spyware?
23:28 < compdoc> atom?
23:28 < CHVNX> And why would I use it instead of vi?
23:28 < Psi-Jack> wut?
23:28 < jml2> pretty much means 51% satisfaction
23:28 < jml2> as long as it is more than 50%...
23:28 < s33r> does anyone have any advice on mechanical kbd switches to buy?  I have browns in my current kbd and i find myself miskeying all the time
23:29 < Psi-Jack> s33r: "keyboard" not "kbd"
23:29 < jml2> s33r, google "Cherry key switches"
23:30 < jml2> I don't like cherry switch, more dome-scissor switch -- the quietest cherry mx are still "noisy" XD
23:30 < MrElendig> s33r: there are lots and lots of tests of those online
23:30 < MrElendig> jml2: new cherry silent ones are quite good
23:30 < s33r> ive been looking into topre
23:30 < dviola> curious why dmidecode is detecting my ddr3 ram as ddr2
23:30 < jml2> MrElendig, bs
23:30 < j0seph> i have red cherry mx ones. I haven't tried any others so I can't make comparisons
23:30 < jml2> MrElendig, what color code are you referring to? there's a new color?
23:31 < jml2> MrElendig, lol
23:31 < MrElendig> jml2: also, it is often the choice of material and design of the keycaps themself that causes a lot of the sound
23:31 < s33r> seems like a good mech clone of a membrane switch feel
23:31 < xamithan> You sure it isn't ddr2?  Thought you had crap computers in SA
23:31 < jml2> MrElendig, cherry company please make me a quiet switch ty
23:31 < compdoc> dviola, maybe its an old os
23:31 < dviola> compdoc: no, I'm on arch
23:31 < dviola> xamithan: <.<
23:31 < MrElendig> jml2: thin abs plastic caps are more noisy as an example
23:31 < MrElendig> quite noticable so too
23:31 < j0seph> introducing new yellow switches, where it will perform keystrokes if you stare at the key hard enough
23:32 < jml2> membrane are alwyas the quietest but alone they're inaccurate, hence they need something like a scissor-key on top to help.  I use that here with a particular keyboard i use here
23:32 < phogg> s33r: everyone has their own tastes. Try wasdkeyboards.com; they'll sell you a key sampler for cheap so you can find out what you like
23:32 < dviola> xamithan: the motherboard has ddr3 slots only, afaik ddr2 doesn't work on ddr3 slots
23:32 < jml2> MrElendig, there's no such thing as choice of material for cherry switches..
23:32 < jml2> MrElendig, that's bs
23:32 < MrElendig> jml2: keyCAPS
23:32 < MrElendig> jml2: those plastic things that goes on top
23:32 < jml2> MrElendig, i dont care about the key caps jackass
23:33 < jml2> MrElendig, that's not where the sound is coming from
23:33 < jml2> lol
23:33 < noway96> MrElendig, jml2, I don't get it. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt says that "hotplug" in content_type corresponds to external ports. But I find 30 such ports but my machine only has 10?
23:33 < MrElendig> jml2: see what I said about the design/material actuall impacting the sound quite a bit
23:33 < phogg> jml2: to some extent it is
23:33 < dviola> the manual doesn't even mention ddr2
23:33 < MrElendig> (yes, I have tested it)
23:33 < s33r> thanks for the advice ##linux friends
23:33 < phogg> jml2: the "rattle" of the key is due to the cap; that's why rubber dampener rings work
23:33 < jml2> i've tried at least 3 different ones, different keycaps (and switch color) all noisy..
23:34 < jml2> yes those i've tried that as well
23:34 < jml2> doesn't help.. and i can photo to you to prove it
23:34 < MrElendig> cherry red silent?
23:34 < jml2> lol .. i've got blue and black -- those rings come in different heights as well
23:34 < phogg> the dampeners definitely help in that they do reduce noise. If you still don't like it that's just your own madness
23:34 < jml2> nothing beats plastic scissor key with membrane..
23:35 < phogg> jml2: yeah, nothing breaks faster
23:35 < MrElendig> phogg: eh, click domes do
23:35 < phogg> I still prefer buckling spring for longevity. Nothing else compares. I don't need the noise I just need a the tactile confirmation of when the key activates.
23:35 < jml2> quiet and easy to type .. important
23:35 < phogg> (and for it to last longer than I will)
23:35 < qman__> I alao use buckling spring day to day
23:36 < phogg> jml2: for some low resistance is important, but not for me. Short travel is nice, though
23:36 < MrElendig> there are clones of the cherry red silent with non-contact switching too
23:36 < phogg> MrElendig: why would you want that?
23:36 < jml2> all cherry switches is for high keycaps.. i've only seen one with a low profile and it is extremely rare
23:37 < jml2> some gaming keyboard.. but it comes with the noisy switches XD
23:37 < MrElendig> phogg: supposedly even more silent and reliable, but then again the "traditional" switches are more than reliable enough anyway
23:37 < jml2> I like low-profile and short distance...
23:37 < jml2> type fast fast fast fast
23:38 < qman__> I just need a strong tactile feel and consistent presses
23:38 < phogg> MrElendig: without the contact don't you lose the tactile response?
23:38 < MrElendig> cherry low profile and clones are abut the height of many membrane keyboards
23:38 < jml2> got hte blackwidow for 200$ and gave it back.. it is a dam nice keyboard and I would of kept it if it werent so dam noisy
23:38 < MrElendig> phogg: they make them in tactile versions too
23:38 < qman__> I prefer clicky types but I've had high quality membrane types that I liked
23:38 < MrElendig> I was pretty happy with my x4 which is membrane
23:38 < jml2> MrElendig, like a logitech k740 ?
23:38 < j0seph> i prefer the kinds of keyboards that perform keystrokes if i tap the keys. those are the best kind.
23:39 < phogg> j0seph: everyone has keyswitch preferences most just don't know it yet
23:39 < jml2> MrElendig, i like keyboards with laptop-like keys -- very low distance travel .. very hard to find
23:39 < qman__> any of the above is significantly better than a touch screen
23:40 < phogg> first reaction is usually "There's more than one kind?" and then "Oh, I don't think it matters" and then later dedicated love for certain switch characteristics.
23:40 < MrElendig> jml2: tersos gram etc
23:40 < MrElendig> if you still want mechanical
23:40 < phogg> jml2: my laptop has cherry switches (-:
23:40 < Psi-Jack> Man, if they made lowprofile mechanical keyboards that actually don't suck. I'd one day consider it. My current desktop keyboard, though not absolutely perfect, has bluetooth/unifying for up to 3 devices.
23:40 < MrElendig> logitech has a bunch of non-mechanical
23:41 < xamithan> Just get a laser keyboard
23:41 < Psi-Jack> Logitech K780.
23:42 < twainwek> physical keyboard? what are you guys still living in 1990s? pop open a virtual keyboard on your screen
23:42 < Psi-Jack> That's what I have. :)
23:42 < bls> I just started messing with one of the new apple keyboards I've seen people rave about and man, what an awful experience for me
23:42 < Psi-Jack> bls: LOL
23:42 < Psi-Jack> The tilt is all wrong on those things.
23:42 < MrElendig> microsoft ergo is not too bad either, but a bit too stiff keys
23:42 < bls> I'm on blues right now, and it's like typing on marshmallows balanced on a paper towel
23:43 < phogg> Psi-Jack: I will bet you a dollar that whatever it is you want they make. Care to be more specific?
23:43 < dannylee> hay there
23:43 < jml2> Psi-Jack, all wireless sucks..
23:43 < jml2> Psi-Jack, including mice..
23:43 < jml2> Psi-Jack, lol
23:43 < jml2> Psi-Jack, and i have expensive bluetooth mice.. they all suck.. never went back :p
23:43 < MrElendig> eh
23:43 < jml2> i don't know why wireless things still sell
23:44 < Psi-Jack> jml2: Well, I have a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse and a wireless digitizer stylus pad.
23:44 < neoncortex> I can't believe that people are serious about those virtual keyboards, I mean, try to write code with it, on a small screen ..
23:44 < twainwek> jml2: because people don't like having wires around
23:44 < phogg> Ugh, wireless. Give me a PS2 keyboard and a wired mouse every time.
23:44 < jml2> true.. but they should tie their wires straight..
23:44 < bls> I despise bluetooth as well, but that's probably more from having to do interop testing on garbage devices than anything else
23:44 < MrElendig> mx ergo is pretty awesome
23:44 < Psi-Jack> jml2: My expensive wireless mouse is the Logitech MX Master 2s. And I love the hell out of it.
23:44 < jml2> and look more up to the screen than the wires on their desk
23:45 < dannylee> i have a ten years old gaTEway keyboard and its great
23:45 < MrElendig> (but overpriced as hell)
23:45 < phogg> I was an exclusive logitch mouse guy from the early 90s until they started doing infinite-scrolling scroll wheels without click stops.
23:46 < dannylee> just go to the thift store and youll find one
23:46 < Psi-Jack> phogg: That's why I like the MX Master. It's got both free-wheel and click. And automatically goes free flying if you flick it.
23:46 < MrElendig> phogg: I love selectable infiscroll
23:46 < phogg> currently I'm on a little known brand: Zalman. They make something that's a bit like a RAT but much cheaper.
23:46 < dannylee> $5
23:46 < MrElendig> like on the g502, g9 etc
23:46 < phogg> MrElendig: I can't stand it, it breaks my brain. I loved the G5, though.
23:46 < phogg> and the old puck-shaped mouseman was delightful
23:47 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: I might be onto unlocking my files with ecryptfs-recover-private.
23:47 < MrElendig> I use free wheel for everything but gaming
23:47 < Psi-Jack> Though, at work, I actually use a trackball: https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k72337us/orbit-trackball-with-scroll-ring
23:47 < jml2> phogg, cyborg
23:47 < phogg> jml2: ?
23:47 < bls> I love this guy: https://www.amazon.com/HP-Optical-Button-Mouse-accessory/dp/B0002Y5LZ8 classic 3-buttons and too dumb to have anything go wrong with it
23:47 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: ewwwww encryptfs
23:47 < jml2> phogg, yeah i had one of those.. i also have the wireless one .. it's horrid
23:47 < Psi-Jack> ecryptfs
23:47 < MrElendig> iceCalt_: silly of them to not simply use luks like for root
23:47 < phogg> jml2: I don't do wireless anything
23:47 < jml2> phogg, the rat.m
23:47 < Psi-Jack> decryption made easier than anything.
23:48 < jml2> phogg, which is a 100+$ mouse..  and is imho horrid..
23:48 < MrElendig> luks is infinitly faster and more secure
23:48 < ||JD||> logitech is garbage in my experience, I have had many products all them broke after a few months
23:48 < dannylee> cable is really much beter and faster
23:48 < iceCalt_> MrElendig: I've used cryptsetup luks back then. Dunno how ecryptfs ended up there. But I am glad I somehow assume I am on the right path
23:48 < jml2> phogg, it's skippy no matter what surface i use..
23:48 < ||JD||> they have recurrent issues with the midle button in their mices
23:48 < Psi-Jack> ||JD||: Some of their line of products is definitely falling downhill for sure.
23:48 < MrElendig> ||JD||: they varies, they have some really good ones
23:48 < jml2> phogg, it has two wireless modes, both don't make a difference (works in linux)
23:48 < Psi-Jack> The K780 for example, has served me well so far.
23:49 < jml2> phogg, i like claw mice, I'm happy with a mouse theron...
23:49 < MrElendig> my g9 is ancient, looks like hell but works perfectly
23:49 < MrElendig> my 570 is also still going strong
23:49 < bls> knew some people that had bad RSI and they swore buy this for a spendy mouse though: https://www.amazon.com/Evoluent-VerticalMouse-Regular-Right-VM4R/dp/B00427TAIK
23:49 < phogg> jml2: the RAT? Yeah, the rat is okay but you need the top-tier one for it to be worth it. Try the Zalman ZM-GM4. It compares well with a RAT7, doesn't quite hit RAT9 for features.
23:49 < MrElendig> (sadly, because I want an escuse to get the ergo :p)
23:49 < jml2> phogg, asians have small hands, that's how I can be sure I'm getting a claw mouse ;-)
23:49 < jml2> LOL
23:49 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig: 570's a trackball/thumball?
23:49 < MrElendig> es
23:49 < MrElendig> m570
23:50 < Psi-Jack> Bleh, I never could use those. /caused/ CTS.
23:50 < phogg> jml2: my grip still requires big, fat mice. Most out there are no good, which is why I like the ones that let me adjust the size
23:50 < neoncortex> if I recall correctly. Logitech is the brand with the most tiny wires I have seen [I mean, the wires 'circunference" ..], I have some lying around, all broken
23:50 < phogg> s/still/style/
23:50 < jml2> phogg, the rat-wire mouse actually corrodes green on its mouse wheel (the horizontal scroll) --- quite nasty
23:50 < MrElendig> Psi-Jack: I prefer the "middle ball" variant to the thumb ones, but sadly there are no good one of those made any more
23:50 < phogg> jml2: the low end RAT models have terrible build quality
23:50 < MrElendig> middle/finger
23:50 < jml2> phogg, but it worked well for me for a number of years until one day it just stopped working
23:51 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig: Yeah, hence Kensington, for me. :)
23:51 < dannylee> optical
23:51 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig: I have the Kensington Orbit with scroll ring at work. Have one at home too, but it's rarely used specifically there.
23:54 < Psi-Jack> I kinda wish they would make an Orbit like this where you can rotate the ball itself instead of the scroll ring, like the "expert" ones do.
23:55 < Psi-Jack> Just those "expert" trackballs, are so massive, and tilt in contradiction to the wrist
23:55 < iceCalt_> Alright. Thanks for anyone involved in leading me to the right path. I have my stuff from the external device now accessible.
23:56 < MrElendig> I wish the good roller bars wasn't so friggin expensive, because rollerbars > *
23:56 < MrElendig> for anythihg but fps games
23:56 < Psi-Jack> MrElendig: The ones you put in front of the keyboard?
23:57 < Psi-Jack> I haven't tried those, but I can see one potential problem with them (and people say it's usually a problem in this scenario). Multi-Monitor usage.
23:58 < Psi-Jack> And on that note... It's time to head home
23:58 < MrElendig> Psi-Jack: used them with tripple monitor setups and it is not a problem really
23:59 < jml2> me wonders what there is to counter apple's top keyboard slide glass
23:59 < Psi-Jack> Depends on which one you get I guess.. The sliding rollers can be bad. The rollers that use touch sensativity for moving left/right may be better.
23:59 < neoncortex> what a weird times we live https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-azure-sphere-os-based-on-linux-not-windows/
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