--- Log opened Mon May 21 00:00:27 2018
00:13 < Tech_8> hi
00:14 < Tech_8> hi
00:16 < Prof_Birch> Are there any prominent Linux VR projects?
00:52 < Dagmar> Considering everything inside the chroot is provided on a as-necessary basis, there shouldn't be a need to "tweak" permissions on directories that weren't created.
00:55 < quul> maybe even /dev/shm too
00:57 < quul> and whatever /dev/mqueue is supposed to be, haven't run into anything that needs it
01:18 < jonan__> is anyone here experienced with rofi? in particular piping the output of a rofi dmenu mode search to the input of another rofi dmenu mode selector?
01:19 < ayecee> one way to find out is to ask a question about piping the output of a rofi dmenu mode search to the input of another rofi dmenu mode selector
01:20 < Bocaneri> And ignore the yahoos who ask "what the hell is 'rofi'!?"
01:21 < Roserin> "'what the hell is 'rofi''"
01:24 < ayecee> tbf i haven't seen rofi mentioned here before
01:25 < jonan__> oh, silly me. i don't understand the syntax for redirecting that output within rofi. here's the script i'm working on right now. if anyone can let me know why the output doesn't work that'd be helpful! https://pastebin.com/MAmhGeHr
01:26 < ayecee> what happens when you try?
01:27 < ayecee> erm. you probably should be using echo $results, not cat results
01:38 < MegaTurdBot> .:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:.TURDS.:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:.
01:38 < MegaTurdBot> .:il|||||li:. yidhra .:il|||||li:.
01:38 < ayecee> huh
01:39 < MegaTurdBot> .:il|||||li:. do YOU like.......
01:39 < MegaTurdBot> .:il|||||li:. DOG   SHIIITTTTT .:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:..:il|||||li:.
01:39 < ayecee> !ops MegaTurdBot spam
01:39 < iflema> lool
01:39 < MegaTurdBot> ayecee    .:il|||||li:.  <-- eat that
01:39 < MegaTurdBot> its a TURD
01:39 < Bocaneri> Buh bye.
01:40 < Bocaneri> ayecee: good yell.
01:40 < ayecee> :)
01:42 < HappyHobo> jim it's the router and I already bought the new wireless card.
01:43 < HappyHobo> it's too weak to go past that townhouse, damn thing is full of cockroaches, I think it's not long for this world.
01:44 < the_document> and why does i7-8550u have a lower bogomips a12-9700p cpu?
01:45 < Pentode> bogomips are bogys
01:45 < Pentode> y=u
01:46 < the_document> is i7-8550u igpu i965 in mesa?
01:46 < the_document> isn't i965 the latest intel gpu driver?
01:46 < ayecee> bogomips are calculated to set the length of a particular timing loop, and do not represent cpu performance
01:58 < jim> HappyHobo, if it's the router, can you return the wireless card you bought? so it's your neighbor's router?
02:01 < jim> HappyHobo, if you're trading him for net access, get him a new router instead of like 5 or 6 months internet bill?
02:19 < ayjay_t> hey so i wrote a bash script that processes all of a programs output, and silences most of it, but convenietly, the prompt line for some necessary user input seems to have bypassed my awks and cuts, anyone know the mechanism?
02:20 < ayecee> the mechanism for what?
02:20 < ayjay_t> why would the prompt for input make it to stdout *no matter what*
02:20 < ayecee> probably because it didn't go to stdout
02:21 < ayjay_t> (i piped stderr to stdout, too)
02:21 < ayjay_t> wanna see?
02:21 < pnbeast> Sounds dirty.
02:21 < ayecee> i'll show you mine if you show me yours
02:22 < ayjay_t> https://paste.ofcode.org/Kjku27eHkSxGhWNkKXqEje
02:22 < ayjay_t> the important point is that A) I get my branchlist and B) it still asks me for my username and password, appropriately
02:22 < ayjay_t> but i don't know why B is true and it b0thers me
02:22 < ayecee> what does it show, and what should it show?
02:25 < ayjay_t> it just prints a branchlist at the end of most of the time
02:25 < ayjay_t> but if the server asks for a username and password, it also asks me for them- that's what i expected to be silenced
02:26 < ayjay_t> (not that i want to it to be silenced, i just expected it to be silenced)
02:26 < ayecee> the git command isn't redirected to /dev/null, so you'll see it
02:27 < ayecee> git probably has a non-interactive option to not prompt for credentials as well
02:30 < pnbeast> ayjay_t, I doubt it will be useful to answer, but I'll ask, anyway - what are you really trying to do?  Is this giant XY problem?
02:33 < ayjay_t> no this isn't a giant XY problem
02:34 < ayjay_t> i don't think what ayecee said is right but i'm trying to string together an example to show
02:36 < ayjay_t> output: https://paste.ofcode.org/XepBuzzdV7Evrh3pEA2RTs
02:36 < ayecee> what about what i said isn't right?
02:36 < ayjay_t> that shows that it's surpressing most fetch out, except warnings (which i explicitly catch), the branchlist (which i construct and echo from the normal output), and of course: the username and password prompts
02:36 < ayecee> which come from the git command
02:36 < ayjay_t> so even though git isn't output to /dev/null, almost everything is getting swallowed
02:36 < ayecee> which isn't redirected
02:37 < ayjay_t> except the username/password prompt, which is like "hey, we need input, so we're going to output his anyway"
02:37 < ayjay_t> and that's the mechanism i'm interested in
02:37 < ayecee> the mechanism is that you haven't redirected the output
02:37 < ayjay_t> then why is most of the output, except that, being silened?
02:38 < ayecee> you want me to draw you a diagram or what
02:38 < ayecee> there's no redirect in the git command
02:39 < pnbeast> Yes!  I want a diagram!  Please, please!!!  Make me a diagram!
02:39 < ayjay_t> ugh, #linux
02:39 < ayecee> )`:
02:39 < Pentode> i just love flow-charts. gimmie gimmie!
02:39 < ayecee> "i put a redirect somewhere in the command, why doesn't it apply to the whole script?"
02:40 < ayecee> that's you. that's what you sound like.
02:41 < Bocaneri> Why why why?
02:42 < ayjay_t> whats the matter?
02:42 < ayecee> ayjay_t: tbf, the user/pass prompt doesn't go on stdout or stderr, it's sent to the terminal.
02:42 < ayjay_t> oh for eff that's okay
02:42 < ayjay_t> jeez man comon man
02:42 < ayecee> because that's what most users would want.
02:43  * Pentode makes tea
02:43 < ayecee> i suppose that can be confusing
02:44 < ayecee> that's where a git non-interactive option could help
02:44 < pnbeast> Maybe if you answer him some more, he start to believe you.
02:44  * Pentode stuffs a scone in ayecee's mouth 
02:44 < ayecee> pastry abuse
02:45 < ayjay_t> have any of you ever been wrong? or are you al just right, everyday
02:45 < ayjay_t> and know all the answers
02:45 < ayecee> i am often wrong
02:45 < Pentode> indeed ;p
02:45 < Pentode> if i were never wrong, i would never learn _anything_
02:46 < ayecee> ^ this
02:46 < ayjay_t> it's totally possible that you're often wrong and you still never learn anything
02:46 < ayecee> hah, true
02:46 < Pentode> also true
02:46 < Roserin> ayjay_t, I'm wrong basically constantly
02:47 < pnbeast> Roserin, if someone lied to you, but you also had the real answer right in front of you, would you choose the lie?
02:47 < ayecee> depends. does the lie pay more?
02:47 < Roserin> what do you mean, choose?
02:47 < Pentode> i was wrong yesterday, when I rested my hand on the chassis of an open analog oscilloscope and brushed my finger along the focus pot
02:47 < Roserin> pnbeast, maybe?
02:47 < pnbeast> Good enough.
02:47 < Roserin> Do I like them?
02:47 < Roserin> Am I saving a friendship?
02:47 < ayecee> ayjay_t: i am perhaps not contrite and penitent enough when i'm wrong.
02:47 < Roserin> Does it hurt anyone
02:48 < ayecee> a friendship based on a lie?
02:48 < ayecee> i guess that's all friendships
02:49  * ayecee has an epiphany
02:49  * Pentode clears the smoke 
02:50 < pnbeast> ayecee, a pm?
02:51 < ayecee> ayjay_t: i suppose when i'm right so often, it gets to be a habit, and a bit of a surprise when i'm not
02:51 < ayecee> pnbeast: uh, sure
02:54  * Bocaneri braces
02:56 < ArchNemesis> This isn't strictly a Linux issue but it could be a kernel issue,  asked in #Xen no answer,   i have a Xen Dom0 server fresh install CentOS 7.5  Kernel 4.9.86 (tried 4.9.75 as well)  that will only detect one core and one thread in a xen kernel  in a non xen kernel it detects all threads
02:57 < pankaj> I am getting error in section 6.16 i.e. binutils installation. Test suite is reporting error.
02:57 < Pentode> interesting. i'm not a cpu guru but i'd wonder if there were some kind of support option that hadn't been included in the xen kernel maybe?
02:57 < ArchNemesis> i wonder that as well but its in the Xen4Centos repo thingie
02:57 < Pentode> have you tried google yet?
02:58 < Pentode> someone else is bound to have a similar problem
02:58 < ArchNemesis> i've been on the big G for hours
02:58 < Pentode> lol
02:58 < Sveta> ArchNemesis: it would perhaps help if you described what you have found or tried so far
02:58 < Sveta> ArchNemesis: so that people do not suggest you exactly the same things that you already tried
02:59 < Pentode> ArchNemesis, what is it about the xen kernel that makes it any different than any other, if anything?
02:59 < ArchNemesis> the closest thing i found on google was a refrence to a bug in kernel 4.9.x  on redhads bugtracker  but i have a identical server running the same kernel in another location that doesn't exhibit the problem
02:59 < Pentode> maybe just stick with a different kernel that works
03:00 < ArchNemesis> Well,  you have to load the xen kernel to activate the Xen system  without it the backend tools do not work  and without them you dont get any VMs to start
03:00 < Pentode> i see
03:01 < Pentode> have you tried compiling a fresh xen kernel yet?
03:01 < ArchNemesis> not yet it was going to be my last resort since i have a nearly identical system running the same kernel correctly
03:02 < Pentode> weird
03:03 < Pentode> could it be a setting in the bios or something?
03:03 < superguest> I am not to familiar with the runlevel concept, for example the files under /etc/grub.d/ are prefixed with a two-digit number
03:03 < Pentode> shooting in the dark here, lol
03:03 < superguest> e.g. 40_custom and 41_custom
03:03 < ArchNemesis> i've set up two systems in the last 24 hours  same exact procedure on both one works fine one only detects one core out of  8
03:04 < superguest> how is 41_custom different to 40_custom ?
03:04 < ArchNemesis> isn't the number the order in which it reads/loads it?
03:05 < quul> anyone know off-hand what version of linux was current in 2008 ?
03:11 < d1z> I just fudged up my harddrive somehow....
03:11 < phinxy> Trying to compile a module, following Arch Wiki.  Why doesnt make M=drivers/hid compile the driver I want?
03:12 < d1z> opened laptop to clean fan, when I set it back again I get a bunch of messages like this in the journal: http://termbin.com/mplp
03:13 < d1z> I'm from the command line atm in rescue mode. can anyone help me googling that and giving me an estimate of the magnitude of the damage?
03:14 < d1z> I mounted my 1tb usb in order to backup that partition. It seems the files are still there and the errors have to do with the bus, so perhaps the data is intact
03:15 < d1z> I'm doing a tar of that disk
03:15 < d1z> the io is good, around 90MB/s, but from time to time these messages keep appearing
03:16 < Pentode> d1z, did you double check the cable connection?
03:16 < d1z> Pentode yes, I opened it, unplugged it, sprayed some contact cleaner onto it, replugged it and the messages still appear
03:17 < d1z> it may still be the cable, but I made sure it was plugged in right
03:17 < Pentode> and a fsck didn't help?
03:17 < Pentode> if not then perhaps it may be the controller/cable
03:18 < d1z> the fsck ended succesfully, it prompted for some fixes, but along the way I got a couple of these errors as well pop into the screen
03:18 < Pentode> i'd test an alternate drive. or put the laptops drive in something else to try and narrow it down.
03:18 < d1z> in fact the fudge up my output
03:18 < d1z> I have to keep switching tmux windows so it redraws my screen. Since it's beeing garbled by the kernel messages
03:19 < Pentode> i'd imagine it's one of the controllers. either on the drive or the laptop, unless the cable is culprit but it doesn't seem to be...
03:19 < Pentode> your best bet would be to try what i suggested above
03:20 < Pentode> swap some drives and see what you can learn
03:20 < Pentode> udma/33? how old is this thing?
03:21 < d1z> I also have a windows installation, I tried booting it and it did, but at one point the system crashed due to an i/o error. Of course windows would probably crash even if you blow some wind onto but still... makes me worry
03:21 < d1z> uhm, I don't know, probably 5 years
03:22 < d1z> probably less, it came with a dell vostro
03:23 < d1z> anyway the drive was most definitely fine and sharp before the cleanup
03:23 < d1z> I'll have to wait to swap drives, as I'm doing a backup first
03:23 < Pentode> it may have been all it needed to tip it over the edge
03:24 < Pentode> i mean the log indicates an ata device with udma33
03:24 < Pentode> this is _very_ old technology
03:24 < Pentode> older than five years...
03:25 < Pentode> yeah, swap the drives and see
03:25 < Pentode> im betting the drive has just given up after all these years and working on the machine was just a coincidence
03:30 < d1z> Pentode I don't think it's that old.... here's my lshw -c storage output fwiw: https://termbin.com/1p9s
03:31 < d1z> I currently have an SSD of 32 GB, a usb toshiba of 1TB, and the infamous harddrive of 512GB
03:32 < ayecee> infamous eh
03:34 < Pentode> infamous like the quantum bigfoot?
03:34 < Pentode> lol
03:38 < ||JD||> Hitachi Deskstar AKA "Deathstar", worst HDD ever
03:39 < Pentode> yeah i have one of those sitting on the shelf, lol
03:39 < Pentode> has a giant swath of bad sectors in one spot
03:39 < Pentode> i was actually using it for quite a while, avoiding that part of the platter...
03:39 < the_document> hwclock and date commands display different date, only hwclock is correct, how do I fix this?
03:40 < ||JD||> Those quantum were really bad too, I have a fireball one dead, that one and the hitachi the only 2 HDD I had issues with
03:41 < ||JD||> I have a Seagate Barracuda from 1997 still working
03:42 < pnbeast> the_document, iirc, hwclock will do that.  Maybe.
03:43 < d1z> http://termbin.com/veu6 mine it's indeed Hitachi, I don't know if it's Deskstar though
03:44 < Pentode> the problematic deathstars were full size drives
03:47 < ayecee> they were 3.5" drives in the 60-75gb range
03:48 < d1z> how can I test if the disk or the cable is bad?
03:49 < ayecee> test the drive in the original system, then test the drive in another system or with a different cable
03:50 < d1z> I'm afraid I don't have another disk like this. The thing has an embedded cable, goes to a certain port on the laptops mobo. It's definitely not like the other hd I have around
03:50 < d1z> I mean laptop hdd
03:51 < d1z> the other one I have around its no cable, it goes  straight into a socket instead
03:51 < ayecee> i'm afraid you don't have the equipment necessary to test this scenario
03:52 < d1z> but maybe the errors from the kernel messages are telling the story. I mean it says bus error all the way, and when I did run fsck on the disk, it found some stuff, but it was able to fix everything afterwards and mark it as clean
03:53 < d1z> that's why I feel like probably the data is intact in there, but it may be the cable or one of the contacts that's causing trouble
03:54 < ayecee> if only there were some way to share what you were seeing
03:55 < d1z> if you scroll up a bit my first message has a pastebin link in it
03:55 < ayecee> not gonna happen
03:55 < d1z> "opened laptop to clean fan, when I set it back again I get a bunch of messages like this in the journal: http://termbin.com/mplp"
03:56 < ayecee> there's no way to tell from these errors without replacing one of the potentially affected components
03:57 < ayecee> looks like cable error though
03:58 < ayecee> insofar as it's not a media error
04:08 < HappyHobo> jim it's an upgrade too.  It has blue teeth
04:11 < dannylee> hi jim
04:15 < Tech_8> hi
04:15 < DaringlyEsoteric> hello Tech_8
04:15 < dannylee> i install the newest version of openSuse and its really great..but thunderbird just did`nt work with KDE.but gnome work really great..so i use gnome..when i installed openSuse,,i install every thing all the software..Suse is c0000l
04:17 < aBound> Man oh man, happy Sunday. :P
04:17 < aBound> That is like so random aha.
04:17 < Tech_8> easter bunny came over today
04:17 < Tech_8> gave me so easter eggs
04:17 < Tech_8> some*
04:18 < aBound> Tech_8, Hand me some of your chocolate eggs. :P
04:18 < Tech_8> :; hands aBound some choclate eggs ::
04:19  * aBound takes all of Tech_8 chocolates :D
04:19 < aBound> Tech_8, Did you get those Cadbury eggs?
04:19 < Tech_8> yeah
04:19 < aBound> That cream is so delicious.
04:20 < aBound> I never really know where they sell em.
04:20 < dannylee> is today easter
04:20 < Tech_8> I want some egg nog
04:21 < aBound> Egg nog mmmm...
04:21 < aBound> Yes, today is Easter.
04:23 < Prof_Birch> Hmmm, to start from scratch
04:27  * aBound tries to learn Python books are a pain to read :P
04:28 < dannylee> its not really easter...the bunny just die a painful death
04:28 < phinxy> Yay!! I got myself a .ko!
04:30 < aBound> It's not Easter oh noes... :P
04:30 < aBound> Dang it, wish it were too.
04:37 < dannylee> Suse is really Good...but it take a week to get rid of the bug out..i`m happy with my choice..and i have a better password???
04:40 < aBound> A better password?
04:42 < Psi-Jack> aBound: $random
04:42 < dannylee> just a better password..
04:43 < aBound> Psi-Jack, I am assuming $random means to generate a random password.
04:44 < Psi-Jack> aBound: Not necessarily. Just in whom in regards you're talking about, usually is $random.
04:46 < dannylee> 20 character
04:47 < aBound> Psi-Jack, While I see dannylee asking for something like a better password and that SuSe is really good.
04:47 < Psi-Jack> SUSE, actually to be correct.
04:48 < Bocaneri> Zoo zeh.
04:50 < aBound> openSUSE if we want to be technically correct. :P
04:50 < aBound> Teehee.
04:51 < dannylee> ok its openSUSE is my new G0D???
04:51 < Psi-Jack> When... Will... This... End...?
04:52 < aBound> Any of you tried the Tumbleweed edition?
04:53 < dannylee> tumbleweed is really good..i,m happy
04:56 < Bocaneri> Dad, dannylee is being a numty again... make him stop!
04:57 < dannylee> some of you guy are still in collage
04:57 < Bocaneri> Collage? Bits and pieces of pictures glued willy-nilly on a large posterboard facing all different directions?
04:57 < ayecee> i have many photos from collage
04:58 < [R]> i have photos from college
04:58 < [R]> hot chicks and such
04:58 < ayecee> lies
04:58 < pnbeast> [R], I suspect you're lying.  I know ayecee is a liar.
04:59 < [R]> lol
04:59 < aBound> Two chicks at the same time in collage. :P
04:59 < ayecee> telephoto lens eh
05:00 < ayecee> "candid" pictures
05:00 < [R]> lol
05:03 < LockeOrDemosthen> how can i set up my ARandR monitor settings file to be a part of startup applications?
05:05 < [R]> stick a script in your autostart
05:05 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] thats what im having problems
05:06 < LockeOrDemosthen> -somiaj- obviously not thats why i asked you in the first place.....
05:06 < [R]> LockeOrDemosthen: with...
05:07 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] well i cant find the autostart file to start with to be able to save my script into. im pretty new to linux
05:07 < [R]> are you using gnome, kde, what
05:10 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] xfce
05:10 < [R]> LockeOrDemosthen: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xfce+autostart
05:11 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] very funny dog
05:11 < ayecee> woof
05:12 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] i have tried googling it. the stuff i have been doing hasnt been working for me. thats why im here
05:12 < [R]> what have you done
05:13 < ayecee> what happens when you try
05:13 < LockeOrDemosthen> i tried to create a scripts directory and then i found a script online that supposedly puts your current xrandr settings in autostart
05:13 < ayecee> a script, you say
05:15 < LockeOrDemosthen> yes
05:15 < ayecee> you ran the script, and what was the result
05:15 < LockeOrDemosthen> but i have one already in ARandR that i can save, i just cant find the autostart file in ~/.config to move it to
05:15 < LockeOrDemosthen> it says theres no such file or directory
05:16 < ayecee> what was the rest of the error message
05:18 < aBound> Scripting woohoo.
05:18 < ayecee> for every error message, there is a programmer trying to tell you what's wrong
05:18 < ayecee> heed their words
05:19 < aBound> Heathen.
05:19 < LockeOrDemosthen> i think i got it
05:19 < ayecee> error messages are the signposts to success
05:19 < ayecee> awesome
05:19 < LockeOrDemosthen> thanks guys!!
05:19 < ayecee> glad we could help
05:19 < aBound> LockeOrDemosthen, Awesome. :P
05:20 < jim> hmm... somiaj isn't here on this channel...
05:20  * aBound cutting nails
05:20 < ayecee> should he be?
05:21 < jim> well if he wants to be, he can... and, I noticed a mention of him a moment ago
05:22 < ayecee> moments get pretty big around here apparently
05:23 < LockeOrDemosthen> nvm guys
05:23 < LockeOrDemosthen> it didnt work
05:23 < ayecee> aww
05:23 < LockeOrDemosthen> i put the .sh file in the autostart file but when i rebooted settings didnt go to what they were supposed to do
05:24 < ayecee> are you just saying random words or what
05:25 < ayecee> "look at this thing that i'm pointing at"
05:25 < LockeOrDemosthen> hwat
05:26 < ayecee> "i put the gleeb in the smorg, but it didn't gleck"
05:26 < LockeOrDemosthen> did u not know what i meant?
05:26 < ayecee> well obviously no
05:27 < ayecee> i left my crystal ball in my other body
05:28 < [R]> IN!?
05:28 < [R]> shoved it up your butt again?
05:28 < LockeOrDemosthen> okay so i was using ARandR to adjust settings to make my monitor the primary output out of my laptop, and i saved the .sh file and then moved it to ~/.config/autostart
05:28 < ayecee> the 7th dimension gets complicated, okay?
05:28 < ayecee> LockeOrDemosthen: rewind. what .sh file?
05:28 < LockeOrDemosthen> ayecee youre lucky this isnt a real life chatroom
05:29 < ayecee> LockeOrDemosthen: you are also lucky
05:29 < [R]> what is a "real life chatroom"
05:29 < LockeOrDemosthen> ayecee the .sh file that contained the settings for the monitor output
05:29 < ayecee> LockeOrDemosthen: which .sh file is that
05:29 < LockeOrDemosthen> [R] i wouldnt know i stay inside
05:29 < LockeOrDemosthen> ayecee layout.sh or something
05:30 < ayecee> LockeOrDemosthen: or something?
05:30 < ayecee> come on man
05:30 < ayecee> what generates this file
05:30 < Mistell> what a mess
05:30 < LockeOrDemosthen> ARandR
05:30 < LockeOrDemosthen> stop making fun of me
05:30 < LockeOrDemosthen> everyone
05:30 < ayecee> i'm not
05:30 < ayecee> you're making no sense
05:31 < LockeOrDemosthen> how
05:31 < ayecee> you're assuming we can see what you're doing
05:31 < ayecee> we can't
05:31 < ayecee> maybe you're assuming we've all done what you're trying to do
05:31 < ayecee> we haven't
05:31 < aBound> Providing the necessary information will be helpful I'd guess.
05:32 < aBound> Weeee...
05:32 < Mistell> ...chat
05:32 < aBound> My bookmarks are cluttered.
05:32 < aBound> Uh oh, he left.
05:32 < Mistell> : (
05:33 < ayecee> well good
05:33 < Tech_8> bakc
05:33 < Tech_8> back
05:34 < ayecee> who was that for?
05:34 < ayecee> ah.
05:35 < pnbeast> Is it Friday night?  I'm confused.
05:35 < Mistell> Yeah why
05:35 < aBound> It's Sunday.
05:35 < ayecee> it's a long weekend
05:35 < Mistell> "It's Friday somewhere"
05:35 < Mistell> How is it a long weekend? Isn't that _next_ weekend?
05:35 < Mistell> Don't tell me this stupid wedding means a day off or something
05:35 < ayecee> it is a long weekend in commonwealth countries
05:36 < ayecee> it's the queen's birthday. the wedding is happy coincidence.
05:36 < aBound> Yay, for weddings.
05:36 < Mistell> Whew
05:36 < Mistell> Long live the Queen
05:36 < aBound> Noooo...
05:37  * aBound cries
05:37 < ayecee> she's done a good job of that
05:39 < aBound> It's about time for a new queen. :P
05:40 < Rave1> Queen Victora memorial not Elizabeth's birthday
05:41 < promach_> I am having the following problem
05:41 < promach_> Out of memory: Kill process 5169 (cc1plus) score 668 or sacrifice child
05:41 < promach_> Killed process 5169 (cc1plus) total-vm:414656kB, anon-rss:352748kB, file-rss:0kB
05:41 < promach_> gcc: internal compiler error: Killed (program cc1plus)
05:41 < promach_> I plan to use https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/performance_tuning_guide/s-memory-captun
05:42 < ayecee> promach_: it sounds like you need more memory
05:42 < promach_> but how do I set /proc/sys/vm/panic_on_oom parameter ?
05:42 < ayecee> echo value > /proc/sys/vm/panic_on_oom
05:42 < promach_> ayecee: I am on some small embedded linux system, Zedboard
05:42 < ayecee> time to set up a cross compiling environment then
05:42 < [R]> promach_: oh... in that case... the answer is the seame
05:43 < ayecee> people don't normally compile programs within embedded environments
05:43 < promach_> root@localhost:~/Documents/mxpbenchmarks/vbxapi# echo '-15' > /proc/sys/vm/panic_on_oom
05:43 < [R]> ayecee: i got into an argument with a silly hardware guy when i tried to explain that to him
05:43 < promach_> -bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
05:43 < [R]> promach_: sounds like -15 isn't a valid value
05:43 < ayecee> indeed. where'd you get that from?
05:44 < promach_> oom_adj
05:44 < promach_>     Defines a value from -16 to 15 that helps determine the oom_score of a process. The higher the oom_score value, the more likely the process will be killed by the oom_killer. Setting a oom_adj value of -17 disables the oom_killer for that process.
05:44 < ayecee> [R]: hardware guys mean well
05:44 < ayecee> promach_: what do you think that would do in a completely unrelated variable?
05:45 < aBound> I am off, swoosh... :P
05:45 < [R]> ayecee: well it's got oom in the name... its the same thing... right?
05:45 < ayecee> heh
05:46 < ayecee> i think homeopathy came from the same reasoning
05:49 < pnbeast> I use homeopathic principles all the time.  I add Coke to my rum, sometime three or four parts to one.  And it remembers the rum just fine.
05:49 < ayecee> just think what you could accomplish with more coke
05:50 < pnbeast> I'm not entirely homeopathic.  I don't want to go too far.
05:50 < ayecee> i can appreciate that
05:50 < ayecee> it's like an analogy. it only goes so far.
05:52 < d1z> anyone know a command that can generate for me the entire logical layout of a disk? only partition info. But it has to be detailed up to the bit about the limits on the partitions, cylinders blocks all that
05:52 < ayecee> debugfs maybe
05:53 < [R]> generate the layout?
05:56 < promach_> Why do I have this error https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9qtKWsVW3P/ ?
05:59 < [R]> because you ran out of memory
05:59 < promach_> [R] : see my df -h output
05:59 < promach_> I have more than 500MB
05:59 < [R]> df has nothign to do with memroy...
05:59 < promach_> ??
05:59 < [R]> thats storage space
05:59 < [R]> not ram
05:59 < Sveta> check 'free' output
06:00 < promach_> root@localhost:~/Documents/mxpbenchmarks/vbxapi# free
06:00 < promach_>               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
06:00 < promach_> Mem:         512684       17896      214396        3860      280392      474688
06:00 < promach_> Swap:             0           0           0
06:00 < ayecee> what do you mean i'm overdrawn? i still have checks!
06:00 < jim> well...
06:00 < d1z> ayecee: well I just did fdisk -l and it seems to have everything I need in this case
06:00 < jim> promach_, a couple things...
06:01 < ayecee> promach_: i suppose you'll need some swap to compile this
06:01 < ayecee> or more memory
06:01 < promach_> ok
06:01  * [R] swaps ayecee 
06:01  * ayecee eeceya
06:02 < pnbeast> promach_, I always advise using lots of swap space when compiling things.  Otherwise, you're only using part of your hardware.  Why not take advantage of *all* of your hardware?
06:02 < jim> promach_, first, (correct me if I got this wrong), but it seems like you're not totally sure how the linux commands relate to particular hardware (when they do)... do I have that right?
06:02 < [R]> pnbeast: rofl
06:02 < ayecee> pnbeast: i don't even
06:02 < promach_> jim: I am now creating swap file
06:02 < jim> 1 3 5 7?
06:02 < promach_> ?
06:03 < ayecee> !
06:03 < jim> I'm failing to even
06:03 < pnbeast> promach_, okay, my esteemed colleagues disagree with me.  Search the web for advice on using lots of swap space to do RAM (and CPU) intensive tasks.
06:03 < ayecee> you're definitely odd
06:03 < jim> how did you know?!
06:03 < ayecee> i had a hunch
06:04 < jim> isn't that where rabbits live?
06:04 < [R]> pnbeast: he should just download more ram...
06:04 < ayecee> this isn't rocket science, it's brain surgery!
06:05 < jim> promach_, anyway... I noticed you had to paste the output of free into the channel in order to let others know... I wanted to let you know there's another way: you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999", and to include error messages, "anArbitraryCommand 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999"
06:06 < ayecee> tl;dr
06:06 < Sveta> he said 'use termbin, here is how'
06:06 < ayecee> well why didn't he just say so
06:06 < jim> you already know about termbin :P
06:07 < d1z> is there a channel where the disk/storage experts reside? something like what #networking is for networks?
06:08 < ayecee> lol
06:08 < Bocaneri> I think maybe ayecee was having fun with your Tolstoy-sized messages.
06:08 < ayecee> you know who hangs out in #networking
06:08 < ayecee> people asking questions about networking
06:08 < pnbeast> jim, are you getting kickbacks from the termbin dev?
06:08 < jim> d1z, maybe #hardware is close?
06:10 < ayecee> why use many words when few words enough
06:10 < jim> pnbeast, you'll note if you visit the website at termbin.com that there's a github repo there... I'd like to put that on our channel paste, but haven't gotten around to building it and see how to add it to a site
06:10 < [R]> ayecee: see world
06:11 < ayecee> no can do. world weird.
06:11 < jim> then seaworld instead!
06:11 < ayecee> no can do. seaworld squishy.
06:11 < [R]> is shamu still a thing?
06:12 < ayecee> sure, in the 90s
06:12 < pnbeast> I've seen enough of the world to know that I've gotta get it all to get it all to Shamu.
06:12 < [R]> After her death, the name Shamu continued to be used in SeaWorld "Shamu" orca shows for different whales in different SeaWorld parks.
06:12 < ayecee> that's terrible
06:12 < pnbeast> Then that guy in Florida started selling pieces of her to clean windows.
06:12 < ayecee> it's like they're just creatures doing tricks for our amusement
06:13 < pnbeast> Maybe that was shamwow.
06:13 < [R]> In March 2016, SeaWorld announced they are ending their orca breeding programs making their current orcas, "the last generation of orcas in SeaWorld's care."
06:13 < [R]> a whole generation of kids aren't going to know who shamu is...
06:13 < ayecee> i can live with that
06:14 < ayecee> looking forward to a whole generation who doesn't know what n-word is
06:14 < Bocaneri> Shamu can then take a well-deserved place in the ages right next to Flipper.
06:15 < jim> well let's see... so seaworld puts on a show involving animals doing tricks... I guess it's for the money... where does that go?
06:15 < ayecee> to making more animals who do tricks
06:15 < pnbeast> Won't someone think of the organ grinder monkey???
06:15 < ayecee> the noble organ grinder monkey
06:16 < jim> the monkey is nobull
06:16 < ayecee> all we'll have to rely on are censored warner bros cartoons
06:17 < jim> there was a warner sister too
06:17 < ayecee> retcon'ed
06:17 < Bocaneri> There are some things I wouldn't mind being certain would be dead when I've gone to my grave, and racism is one of them.
06:18 < ayecee> probably gonna be a few more generations at least, but hopefully we'll be moving in the right direction
06:19 < jim> as long as there are republicans, there will be racists
06:19 < ayecee> no, don't bring politics into this
06:20 < ayecee> a few generations that remember it as normal will have to die before it has a chance of being gone.
06:20 < jim> racism is necessarily political... pretty much by definition
06:20 < ayecee> that definition does not include republican or democrat, or really any US-centric political ideology.
06:21 < jim> ayecee, agreed... unfortunately, the next step is to forget that history, and then to repeat it... unfortunately with more updated weapons
06:21 < ayecee> we don't have to forget history.
06:22 < ayecee> i mean, it'll probably happen anyways
06:22 < jim> maybe we should take a moment then steer back to linux
06:22 < ayecee> yes
06:33 < notmike> Can I say cus words?
06:33 < notmike> Shit
06:33 < ayecee> sure
06:33 < notmike> Damn
06:33 < notmike> Wow, feels great
06:35 < Bocaneri> Rat fracking fudge-bottomed swill-guzzling cross-eyed drooling sack of PIG PUKE!
06:35 < ayecee> :o
06:37 < Bocaneri> There's a language policy in this channel. Doesn't mean you can't express yourself rather forcefully, it just means you can't be stuck in an American box when you do it.
06:38 < ayecee> i don't know what an american box is, but it sounds unpleasant
06:38 < epicmetal> That's what he said
06:38 < scrote> hello.
06:38 < pnbeast> [R], is your box an American box?
06:38 < Bocaneri> ayecee, most Americans are all "f* this, f* that, f* that m*f* SOB", it's all f* to them.
06:38 < Bocaneri> Pretty dull, actually.
06:38 < ayecee> i think americans are more varied than all that
06:38 < [R]> pnbeast: lol
06:38 < scrote> Hi.  I created a live debian usb boot.  there's no x windows nor xinit. command line output is truncated on the left by one character.  i.e. /root is displayed as root as if the screen is shifted left one  character.  Are there grub boot options to adjust this?
06:38 < ayecee> there's a lot of them after all
06:39 < pnbeast> Grub options or Americans?
06:39 < Bocaneri> I'm living right smack dab in the middle of them. Their swearing really is horrifically limited.
06:40 < ayecee> needs more religious profanity
06:40 < ayecee> or more imagination in the scatological profanity
06:40 < Sveta> Bocaneri, I am noticing this trend in students at the local university... two swear words (one of which you already named) are overwhelmingly common...
06:41 < Bocaneri> What's the other?
06:41 < Sveta> Bocaneri: the one that they say after saying 'bull'
06:41 < Bocaneri> Ocks? They say "bull ocks" a lot?
06:41 < Sveta> no, it starts with an 's'
06:42 < ayecee> "meecrob"
06:42 < pnbeast> What's the second letter, Sveta?
06:42 < Sveta> and ends with 'hit' :P
06:42 < ayecee> oh, the other s
06:42 < Bocaneri> Ah. Yeah, Australians do seem to savor their chunders, don't they?
06:42 < pnbeast> ZOMG!  It's like five year olds pretending not to use "offensive words"!
06:42 < Sveta> I'm looking at scrote's question, and I am not really sure. is it linux's problem or monitor problem? how does the monitor behave in bios?
06:43 < Sveta> in soviet russia, you offend words
06:43 < pnbeast> I got chewed out for five minutes when I was kid for asking my little sister what word starts with "f", and ends with "uck".  Telling everyone it's firetruck doesn't save you.
06:43 < ayecee> well good
06:44 < ayecee> little bastard
06:45 < ayecee> given demographics, bastard is going to be the next n-word.
06:47 < ayecee> i'm going to predict right now that there will be a michael richards moment in the future involving the b-word.
06:48 < Bocaneri> Bastardy isn't the curse it once was.
06:48 < pnbeast> Isn't that a wine region near Bordeaux?
06:49 < ayecee> je voudrais vous presenter un vin de Bastard
06:49 < Sveta> scrote: how does monitor look in bios, is the picture still shifted?
06:50 < ayecee> i bought a wine with the label "Fat Bastard" once. it tasted like a fat bastard.
06:50 < Bocaneri> "How dare you! Do you know who I am!? Do you know who my father is!?" "No. Do you?"
06:50 < ayecee> lol
06:50 < Sveta> pnbeast: i like games in which children need to name Nth letter of a word quickly, it may help them learn to spell
06:51 < pnbeast> Well, where were you 40 years ago when I need you to distract my parents?
06:51  * pnbeast wonders if that would have worked.
06:51 < ayecee> going for maximum confusion. a bold tactic.
06:51 < ayecee> let's see if that works out for him.
07:00 < superguest> Is there a way to determine if a kernel feature is enabled (i.e. configured and compiled) at runtime ?
07:00 < [R]> superguest: look at /proc/config.gz
07:00 < ayecee> vague question is vague
07:01 < superguest> specifically, I want to know if my kernel has the CPU Microcode Update/Loading featured configured and compiled
07:01 < [R]> well, try to use the microcode userland utils
07:01 < [R]> if it fails
07:01 < [R]> your kernel lacks the feature
07:02 < superguest> i.e. CONFIG_MICROCODE_INTEL and CONFIG_MICROCODE, plus a few others
07:02 < Mrgrz> j
07:02 < Mrgrz> i
07:02 < Mrgrz> k
07:02 < Mrgrz> hi
07:03 < ayecee> he says what we're all thinking
07:03 < Sveta> hi Mrgrz
07:03 < domhnall> well, for sure 'w' is real, Mrgrz
07:03 < ayecee> this guy gets it
07:03 < Bocaneri> Mrgrz, wanna dispense with the silliness?
07:04 < rcf> superguest: /proc/config.gz
07:05 < Mrgrz> bocaneri, Mrgrz, wanna dispense with the silliness?
07:05 < Mrgrz> ups
07:05 < superguest> rcf, file does not exist
07:05 < Mrgrz> bocaneri, I'm bored
07:06 < Bocaneri> Be bored somewhere else.
07:06 < superguest> rcf, suggestions?
07:07 < Mrgrz> bocaneri, sorry
07:07 < hexnewbie> superguest: Modern distros turn /proc/config.gz off, so you need to take your chances with /boot/config-"$(uname -r)"
07:08 < superguest> hey hexnewbie.  I remember ya.
07:08 < superguest> I'll try that
07:09 < ckm> exit
07:10 < superguest> hexnewbie, I found it. :-) that is in fact the place I should look for.
07:10 < superguest> Thanks
07:11 < domhnall> See, almost any solution requiring me to gather information on new matters, I catched ordered distro lists. Maybe im to into this Info-Sys thing.--https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/topics/installation/index.html
07:33 < superguest> hexnewbie, is the systemd facility hard to learn?  (i.e. is there a lot to it?  At a glance, there's quite a number of concepts in it.  E.g., units, unit dependencies, .timers, .target, .socket files and a whole buncha other stuff)
07:34 < superguest> Just your opinion.
07:34 < azarus> systemd is ok in terms of configuration
07:35 < azarus> ... but not my cup of tea
07:35 < epicmetal> the init system that shall not be named
07:35 < epicmetal> it really is the only option for lazy people
07:36  * azarus isn't lazy and uses/maintains many systems with a traditional init :P
07:37 < luke-jr> I gave up trying to get systemd to run a simple script at boot
07:37 < luke-jr> I hope I can get rid of systemd in my firmware someday
07:37 < Psi-Jack> What? That would be so eaaaaasy
07:38 < luke-jr> Psi-Jack: I need it to run after another service starts only; but systemd complains there's a dependency loop and drops it
07:38 < domhnall> ah, my question. nothing related to link or previous blurb. 'how to include a .html file in search via ff(firefox)?'
07:38 < Psi-Jack> Again, so eaaaassy.
07:38 < azarus> i think you a key is stuck!
07:38 < realbadhorse> hello, im using localtunnel from npm repos for making a tunnel to localhost on my gentoo server
07:38 < azarus> your*
07:38 < realbadhorse> using private ip to ssh to it works but using the generated hostname gives `gentoo@kind-ladybug-2.localtunnel.me: Permission denied (publickey).`
07:39 < Psi-Jack> It is not. Emphasis on easy. Super easy. Ridiculously easy.
07:39 < luke-jr> Psi-Jack: yet it isn't.
07:39 < epicmetal> azarus: distro?
07:39 < Psi-Jack> Yet, it really is. I'd be willing to help if you're interested in learning something.
07:40 < azarus> epicmetal: multiple
07:40 < luke-jr> at this point, it no longer matters, as there was a config option added for what I needed it to do
07:40 < Psi-Jack> Was it a one-shot script?
07:40 < luke-jr> yes
07:40 < luke-jr> to run the "power on" command
07:41 < domhnall> basically, i want to add a local 'docs-html' to my search engines list...
07:41 < Psi-Jack> You could've done a systemctl edit <servicename>.service, and added an ExecStartPost= to just simply run said script as part of the process of starting the service.
07:41 < luke-jr> oh :o
07:41 < epicmetal> Classy
07:41 < Psi-Jack> Heh
07:42 < Psi-Jack> I do that exact process with hashicorp vault to auto-unseal the vault database on startup when there's no other active vault servers.
07:42 < superguest> Someday I will learn I will learn systemd
07:42 < luke-jr> so I didn't need a new service at all
07:42 < Psi-Jack> luke-jr: Technically.. No.
07:42 < epicmetal> Someday I will run BSD... huh
07:42 < epicmetal> heh*
07:42 < Psi-Jack> You just needed to understand basic systemd. :)
07:42 < epicmetal> Probably not, though.
07:43 < superguest> and feel like a boss telling another grown men " you could've done a systemctl ..." hahah~
07:44 < luke-jr> well, I still hope they get rid of it eventually, since it makes the system boot so slow
07:45 < Psi-Jack> Well, systemd is actually far easier to work with than everything else. Upstart, was a royal PITA and it easily broke just trying to create a service, broke to a point only rebooting would fix it.
07:45 < luke-jr> Psi-Jack: OpenRC is easy
07:45 < Dagmar> It *helps* if you actually understand what init's job is supposed to be before you go mucking about with things like systemd at all
07:45 < Psi-Jack> It also helps to know that systemd is multiple different parts, like systemd-init is one /part/.
07:46 < azarus> yes, systemd swallowed a whole lot
07:46 < Dagmar> Otherwise the result is likely going to go about as well as someone trying to add extra cylinders to their engine
07:46  * epicmetal looks up from his car bonnet
07:47 < Psi-Jack> Annnd.. I don't agree, openrc is not "easy" and still easilly prone to error. And why do you "del" a service, rather than simply disable it?
07:48 < azarus> Psi-Jack: tomatoes, tomatoes.
07:48 < Psi-Jack> When you put too much code into an init, it's easily prone to problems. Look at lsb-init, sysv-init before that. openrc is no different, just has some more structure that /can/ be used, but can also be abused, badly.
07:49 < mynameisdebian> I have a list of domains (like example.com) going to stdout.  I want to pipe them to xargs to get the command   cp example.com.txt ../example.com.csv   How can I use the piped output twice in the xargs command?
07:49 < Dagmar> Store it in a variable.
07:49 < Dagmar> i.e., actually write a short script.
07:49 < luke-jr> mynameisdebian: you can't. xargs exists to run one command with lots of arguments
07:50 < luke-jr> don't use xargs, use parallel
07:50 < Dagmar> One-liners exist as throwaways.  They're not the sort of thing one should be striving for
07:50 < mynameisdebian> this is a throwaway
07:50 < Dagmar> Then why do you need other people's help with it
07:50 < Dagmar> Write code you can _understand_
07:50 < mynameisdebian> ok then
07:51 < Bocaneri> Dagmar speaks truth.
07:51 < luke-jr> mynameisdebian: while read domain; do cp "${domain}.txt" "../${domain}.csv"; done
07:51 < Dagmar> Note that read stores the value in a variable
07:53 < Psi-Jack> luke-jr: You're wrong about xargs too. It /can/ run a command with lots of arguments, but it can also be a batch job processor.
07:53 < Psi-Jack> And it's quite good ad it.
07:53 < Psi-Jack> at*
07:53 < Triffid_Hunter> mynameisdebian: tee
07:54 < azarus> xargs can also execute commands in parallel, can't it?
07:54 < Psi-Jack> Yes
07:54 < Psi-Jack> Used it quite frequently for that, in fact, still do. My BBS runs xargs to run dosemu-based processes to run nightly maintenance for door games. :)
07:54 < mynameisdebian> Thank you all
07:55 < Psi-Jack> parallel is actually.... More limited.
07:55 < mynameisdebian> Triffit_Hunter: Can you give me an example?  I thought tee was just to do something with the output and write it to a file as well
07:56 < mynameisdebian> luke-jr thank you for the script
08:01 < domhnall> mynameisdebian: tradition is give one back or pass it on
08:02 < mynameisdebian> I'll do my best
08:04 < Triffid_Hunter> mynameisdebian: well if you want to use stdout twice, that's what tee is good for.. just make more pipes for it to write stuff to, eg mything | tee >(command1) | command2
08:13 < superguest> Psi-Jack, these scripts you and luke-jr were talking about earlier, are they in written in a language of their own?  or is it akin to a shell script?
08:14 < luke-jr> superguest: that's just normal shell script
08:14 < Psi-Jack> superguest: OpenRC init scripts are literally bash scripts.
08:14 < luke-jr> oh, the systemd convo?
08:14 < Psi-Jack> systemd init "scripts" are more like ini files with specific structure.
08:15 < superguest> luke-jr, the convo began with you talking about you once wanted systemd to start a script only after another service has started
08:15 < luke-jr> I wouldn't think the executable type matters
08:15 < Psi-Jack> That was a simple bash script, if even that.
08:24 < phinxy> lsmod shows that the USB HID module for a mice has 0 users. Even though the PID and VID is hardcoded in the .c, dmesg says hid-generic is what the mice uses.
08:46 < the_document> do I just dd an iso image onto a usb to make it bootable?
08:51 < phinxy> th3g1z• dd bs=4M conv=fsync if=foo.img of=/dev/sd* ?
08:52 < phinxy> remember to untar if its a package
08:52 < NGGJamie> in my experience dding isos to USBs, normally just dd if=myiso.iso of=/dev/sdmyusb will work just fine
08:57 < jnor> hi, anyone use refind? in this file "/boot/efi/EFI/refind/refind.conf" I can specify menu entries. Menu entries seem to be picked up automatically though from eg. this subdir: "/boot/efi/EFI/arch/refind_linux.conf". Can I also use parameters like icon and menuname in the second file? or do I need to also add an additional entry in the base refind.conf for arch one?
09:05 < kuri0> jnor, you can set icons in the second one
09:06 < kuri0> anyone know how to hide the title in urxvt ?
09:10 < jnor> kuri0: could I rename the second one to refind_arch.conf safely?
09:12 < jnor> how would file look with icon definition
09:13 < jnor> a newline in the file with: "icon" "<path>"
09:13 < jnor> perhaps?
09:13 < pikaro> does this look like an SD card failure on my mobile? https://pastebin.com/hRPMTASe or is it possibly recoverable?
09:14 < pikaro> already tried a fsck but that was suspiciously almost instantaneous and didn't report any errors
09:15 < brian|lfs> try different card reader
09:15 < pikaro> don't have one :\
09:21 < Triffid_Hunter> pikaro: either your card is crapping itself or the socket in your phone has bad contacts.. need a card reader to tell the difference. I got a nice fast USB3 one for only $6 recently from taobao, "ugreen" brand
09:23 < pikaro> yeah ok so it's likely some kind of hardware defect at least, and I'd say the card is the primary suspect. (phone is fairly new.) gonna get a new card then and order a card reader with it. thanks!
09:41 < kuri0> jnes, idk check your refind configuration
09:42 < kuri0> pikaro, yeah it is or maybe the reader is bad
09:43 < pikaro> yeah that'd be really ungood because it's of course rooted and flashed...
09:51 < afidegnum> hello good morning, i m trying to host multiple golang apps with different ports on nginx.... but i m wondering, if i point the domain i.e mydomain.com -> 192.168.1.1:3020 will the port append to the domain name if i type mydomain.com ?
09:53 < Triffid_Hunter> afidegnum: you can't put ports in DNS like that. see https://webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/55123/can-dns-point-to-specific-port
09:54 < Triffid_Hunter> afidegnum: there are SRV records ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV_record ) but that only works with client apps that support them
09:55 < SuperSeriousCat> afidegnum, I dont know how golang apps work, but if this was PHP, you would do something like install php-fhm, setup a pid file and use one per vhost you setup in nginx. Its probably similar
09:56 < SuperSeriousCat> Dont think php-fhm is the right 3 last letters :p Long time ago
10:00 < afidegnum> where there are 2 webservers,
10:00 < afidegnum> nginx and golang's own server
10:03 < SuperSeriousCat> There is a nginx channel on this network. Probably get better answers there
10:18 < azarus> When I use "man 3 printf", the man page printf(3p) is shown, which is from the IEEE/The Open Group, how do I get printf(*3*) from the man-pages project?
10:21 < SuperSeriousCat> You dont have it installed. It is the exact same info here https://linux.die.net/man/3/printf
10:21 < BCMM> azarus: man 3 prinft?
10:21 < azarus> SuperSeriousCat: I do have it installed.
10:22 < BCMM> ^printf
10:22 < azarus> BCMM: results in printf(3p)
10:22 < azarus> SuperSeriousCat: mandoc /usr/share/man/man3/printf.3.gz | less
10:22 < azarus> works
10:22 < SuperSeriousCat> I get printf(3) when I type it
10:22 < limbo> azarus: man -aW printf, then pick the file manually :)
10:23 < azarus> limbo: man: -W printf: Bad argument
10:24 < azarus> man -w printf does work tough.
10:24 < BCMM> azarus: what kind of system is this, anyway?
10:24 < azarus> BCMM: Alpine Linux.
10:24 < eraserpencil> I'm on amd64 and wish to compile for arm64, but dont understand configuring cross-compilation tools. What would be advised for me? A docker image of arm64, a lxc/lxd of arm64 or kvm with arm64?
10:25 < BCMM> azarus: alpine is weird enough that you'd be better off asking in an alpine-specific channel, if there is an appropriate one
10:25 < azarus> OK
10:26 < BCMM> azarus: for example, i don't think you're even using the same implementation of /usr/bin/man that people are assuming
10:26 < azarus> BCMM: alpine uses mandoc
10:30 < jaggz> what's a util to download a video stream for a certain duration then stop?
10:31 < Blueking> what's command to post hardware on pc ?
10:32 < Pentode> lsusb and lspci?
10:32 < alexandre9099> hi, first of all, i'm dumb... so i stopped ssh service, and my ssh connection was dropped. what can i do now? i think i have a pptpd server running but i don't think that can help :/
10:33 < alexandre9099> *sshd service
10:33 < Pentode> restart sshd? if you cant access the machine then you are screwd, lol.
10:34 < alexandre9099> no, i stopped it ... :(
10:34 < alexandre9099> i think i had webmin but i didn't enabled the service so it is stopped...
10:34 < Blueking> lol... seedbox ?
10:35 < jaggz> alexandre9099, hack in?
10:35 < jaggz> alexandre9099, have host reboot?
10:35 < alexandre9099> nope, it's my dektop pc, that i use as a server (http, pptp, minecraft, etc)
10:36 < Blueking> logon directly on console ?
10:36 < Blueking> reboot would make ssh back
10:46 < mynameisdebian> I have a service enabled on my Raspberry Pi (Debianish) that is causing the boot process to run forever.  Is there some file I can manually edit on the filesystem to disable this process?
10:51 < deepfreez> Hi, If my linux crashed and I recovery all / , is a way to see how php was been builded with ./configure ?
10:56 < kraftb> Hello
10:56 < kraftb> It is wonderous how many Christian holidays there are throughout a year
10:57 < kraftb> Can't even remember how each of them was last year, or the year ago.
10:58 < kraftb> cat /var/log/holidays
11:00 < luke-jr> kraftb: hundreds; but how is that relevant to Linux?
11:00 < kraftb> Not really ... just some motd
11:00 < luke-jr> ?
11:01 < kraftb> Well. Of course you could make something out of it. Like adding every local holiday to kcalendar, etc. But there are surely solutions out there.
11:01 < kraftb> motd = message of the day
11:01 < kraftb> is it forbidden to have smalltalk here?
11:04 < Dagmar> No, only token ring is forbidden
11:09 < alexandre9099> Blueking: how?
11:10 < alexandre9099> i can phisically reboot the pc (i have access to it), but now i have to wait till i get home :D
11:14 < alexandre9099> well, i have WOL port forwarded, hopefully the power goes down (its thunderstorming on the zone where the PC/server is) and i can wake the computer trough the internet :D
11:17 < ychaouche> Hello ##linux
11:17 < ychaouche> I have logrotate eating 100% of my CPU for more than 1 minute now that I noticed : https://imgur.com/a/vgcGV2u
11:17 < ychaouche> anything I can do to check what's wrong ?
11:18 < ychaouche> wow it's been running for 3+ hours !?
11:19 < ychaouche> https://imgur.com/a/vgcGV2u
11:42 < TaZeR> i dont understand why all of a sudden i cant resolve dns anymore
11:42 < TaZeR> but my open connections like irc still work
11:42 < TaZeR> browsers dont work, cant ping in terminals
11:43 < TaZeR> networkmanager reporting everything normal...
11:44 < bashprogfortysix> could it be dns erelated
11:44 < bashprogfortysix> ???
11:44 < bashprogfortysix> google or ur local college ,
11:45 < TaZeR> nah its just normal home internet
11:45 < bashprogfortysix> probably network manager i usually use wpa supplicant and wpa cli restart and all turn network manager off disable
11:45 < TaZeR> it could be my isp problem?
11:45 < TaZeR> i see now my phone isnt working either
11:45 < bashprogfortysix> double check
11:45 < bashprogfortysix> they report it
11:46 < bashprogfortysix> proabbly not lasr time i checked it wasnt
11:46 < TaZeR> i dont think its dns, my android phone has dns setup for another server
11:46 < TaZeR> and its still not resolving
11:47 < SuperSeriousCat> Reboot modem and router
11:47 < bashprogfortysix> phones not responding
11:47 < TaZeR> i guess i have to, but its not the first time this has happened
11:47 < bashprogfortysix> yeah
11:47 < TaZeR> its one of those shitty cable modem and router 2in1's
11:47 < djph> ISP blocking that DNS?
11:47 < djph> replace it
11:48 < bashprogfortysix> maybe its  a hardware issue bad ethernet
11:48 < bashprogfortysix> u crimp ur wires
11:49 < bashprogfortysix> thats a big issue i have when i saw terrible net works slow downs
11:50 < bashprogfortysix> good thing in learned when i was selling some cables individual to people and i made sure they got some good 1s
12:07 < cart_man> I have a Samba server that is up and running and I can access it by windwos by saying run-> \\192.168.xxx.xxx ; BUT when I try and mount it in linux by saying "sudo smbclient -L //192.168.xxx.xxx " I get an Error NT_STATUS_IO_TIMEOUT.
12:12 < MrGrz> i'm back :)
12:14 < autopsy> MrGrz, what are you doing?
12:15 < autopsy> cart_man, sounds like you need to specify cifs version to mount. Maybe it's failing due to an incompatible version.
12:15 < autopsy> Protocol version that is.
12:20 < MrGrz> autopsy: nothing
12:34 < cart_man> autopsy : Hi thanks for the reply
12:34 < cart_man> autopsy How on earth would one figure that out though
12:35 < iodev> cart_man: google?
12:36 < cart_man> autopsy Also I found that I should use -I for Ips and -L for URLs. So now I got a bit further but when I try and mount the drive like mount -t cifs -o username=xxx, password=xxx //192.168.xxx.xxx/smbfile /home/user/smbfileShare it says -> mount error(115): operation in progress /
12:42 < deo> cart_man: take of the space in front of password? or even better replace username= and password= with credentials=/root/sambalogin and put thm in there each on new line
12:43 < autopsy> cart_man, seems like it should be working.
12:45 < cart_man> deo, autopsy , Even if I run without the password making it ASK for the password it is still the same error though
12:47 < deo> are you trying as root? did you check the ip and correct spellint for the name of shared folder? do you have any firewall between linux and win
12:47 < deo> can you ping
12:51 < autopsy> cart_man, yeah do you have an active firewall?
12:53 < cart_man> deo , autopsy Yes I am doing all of this with sudo and I dont have a firewall on either machine accept the standrd ones probably off by default also
12:53 < cart_man> deo Btw this is Linux to Linux
12:53 < autopsy> cart_man, try: iptables -L
12:54 < autopsy> cart_man, see if you have a rule for 139 138 137 and 445.
12:55 < cart_man> When I say iptable -L I get a very short list -> Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target propt opt source    destinations
12:55 < cart_man> and a couple of others
12:55 < deo> nmblookup -A 192.168.xxx.xxx
12:55 < cart_man> autopsy Should I add anything to that command iptables -L ?
12:55 < bytefire> hey guys, in screen, how do you escape ctrl-a? i am running an application inside screen and that application takes ctrl-a as input
12:56 < cart_man> deo, No reply from 192.168.xxx.xxx
12:56 < cart_man> thats bad right?
12:56 < cart_man> I can ping it
12:56 < autopsy> cart_man, use your SMB servers IP address.
12:56 < deo> well open the ports above in your firewall man
12:56 < autopsy> Yeah your firewall is blocking.
12:56 < cart_man> Ok on it
12:57 < autopsy> cart_man, you need open 137 138 139 and 445.
12:58 < autopsy> deo, right?
12:59 < deo> iptables -I INPUT 1 -p udp -s 192.168.X.X/24 --dport 137:139 -j ACCEPT && ptables -I INPUT 1 -p udp -s 192.168.X.X/24 --dport 445 -j ACCEPT
12:59 < deo> I hate doing this :) people should read
13:00 < cart_man> deo Actually got it here -> https://www.samba.org/~tpot/articles/firewall.html
13:00 < deo> oh good
13:00 < cart_man> Just wanted to make sure they are not already open though
13:00 < autopsy> cart_man, deo's command will open up your firewall try nmblookup -A again.
13:01 < autopsy> cart_man, they wouldn't be open unless someone opened them.
13:02 < cart_man> deo I see port 139 is already open but I need to open the rest and check
13:02 < cart_man> autopsy Thanks guys!
13:02 < cart_man> deo Btw the IP in that command is that of the CONNECTING PC or the HOST PC?
13:03 < cart_man> Im guessing the connecting PC
13:03 < cart_man> if its a wild card then it means all
13:03 < cart_man> right?
13:03 < qswz> meh, my new company would like me to encrypt my home folder
13:03 < qswz> but as I read, it makes things slower
13:03 < deo> well in the above command - you are running it on the server and /24 means the whole network so 0/24
13:03 < azarus> qswz: whole disk encryption is faster
13:03 < qswz> ah ok
13:03 < deo> for specific pc - replace with ip.add.ress.xx/32
13:03 < qswz> I'd have to format I guess
13:03 < azarus> and your /home would also be encrypted.
13:04 < azarus> yeah, i'd reinstall
13:04 < qswz> not a bug issue to format
13:04 < qswz> thanks guys
13:18 < noodlepie> Don't use windows powershell. Use Linux fish! Great shell @:P-~
13:18 < noodlepie> ex bash user
13:18 < azarus> mksh -- ex ksh user
13:21 < noodlepie> Knrnel 4.16.9-gentoo stable here with one boot error, UFI framebuffer freezing, worked again after a reboot on laptop!
13:28 < purplex88> how can i check which ubuntu os i'm using?
13:28 < rud0lf> lsb_release -a
13:28 < purplex88> i opened a virtual box image of OS and i don't recognize it
13:29 < purplex88> also i never used ubuntu
13:29 < purplex88> only windows
13:30 < purplex88> it says: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
13:30 < purplex88> codename: trusty
13:30 < rumpel> purplex88, there you go
13:31 < purplex88> is it right?
13:31 < rumpel> purplex88, define "right"
13:31 < purplex88> e.g. I maybe using a modified OS
13:32 < purplex88> is it official?
13:32 < rumpel> purplex88, from where did you get the installer iso?
13:34 < purplex88> from here: https://floodlight.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/floodlightcontroller/pages/8650780/Floodlight+VM
13:35 < rumpel> purplex88, I wouldn't call that "official".
13:35 < purplex88> but  Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS is a complete desktop, is it right?
13:35 < rumpel> purplex88, not necessarily
13:36 < rumpel> purplex88, the desktop on linux is just another application. Many people love to use desktop environments, many don't need one ...
13:37 < rumpel> purplex88, but from the looks of it, it probably runs some kind of desktop environments
13:40 < purplex88> rumpel: can i download official  Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS for free and test?
13:40 < rumpel> purplex88, sure
13:40 < purplex88> i learned linux was free but not sure about ubuntu
13:41 < nothos> Hey all, if I want to create a loop device at boot so that I can mount an image file via fstab, is that doable without too much faffing?
13:41 < rumpel> purplex88, but the reason, why they offer an unofficial vm is probably because that installing all the required tools might be a bit too difficult for beginners. Just some thoughts.
13:42 < purplex88> rumpel: yes i think thats the reason
13:42 < purplex88> it's got tools.
13:44 < rorro_> Doe anyone have any experience with the app Xournal?
13:44 < acresearch> people i have gnome, and using the dark theme, but that causes all the field in firefox for become dark so i cannot see what i write in them, any help?
13:44 < rumpel> purplex88, sometimes installing packages can be a bit too hard for beginners. Maybe that's why.
13:44 < mrw0rm> hi folks! does somebody know is there any/good objdump frontend for GNU/Linux? besides Dissy (emilPRO)
13:44 < purplex88> yes i don't know how to install packages
13:45 < purplex88> so in windows, its called installed programs but in ubuntu its called installed packages?
13:45 < rumpel> purplex88, kind of
13:46 < purplex88> i want to see a list of installed packages
13:46 < rumpel> purplex88, linux offers many ways how to "install" files. Some are way very user-friendly. Some are totally not.
13:46 < rumpel> purplex88, dpkg --get-selections | grep install$
13:47 < bookworm> rumpel: why not use apt like a sane person?
13:47 < purplex88> complicated command just to see installed packages..
13:47 < rumpel> bookworm, he didn't specify how sane he is ^.^
13:48 < purplex88> i'm very normal and beginner user ..
13:48 < bookworm> yeah, but giving an obvious beginner the most low level thing you know is... well
13:48 < rumpel> purplex88, depends on the perspective. Pushing a mouse around and clicking on different areas on a screen to get the same result is a bit more complicated to communicate.
13:50 < rumpel> purplex88, but okay: another way would be to install "synaptic", open that and then figure out, how to get a list. It's a bit more intuitive, I suppose. Try that.
13:51 < purplex88> is it a GUI way?
13:51 < bookworm> yes
13:51 < rumpel> purplex88, yes
13:51 < purplex88> yes i need gui first
13:51 < rud0lf> there's also Ubuntu Software Center i think
13:51 < rud0lf> but Synaptic is much better
13:51 < bookworm> isn't that kinda dead?
13:52 < purplex88> i will install official unix and see
13:52 < rumpel> isn't it now the Gnome Software thingy?
13:52 < rumpel> purplex88, linux, not unix :>
13:52 < rud0lf> rumpel: what you said
13:52 < bookworm> there is no "official unix" anyway
13:53 < purplex88> oh sorry i mean ubuntu
13:53 < purplex88> i am getting confused
13:55 < BluesKaj> Howdy all
13:56 < subsylum> yo
14:00 < purplex88> rumpel: found this: https://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/amd64/synaptic/download
14:01 < purplex88> its .deb file
14:01 < purplex88> same as .exe?
14:01 < rumpel> purplex88, erm.. use your package manager.
14:01 < rumpel> purplex88, downloading packages from websites should be the /last/ thing you can try.
14:01 < purplex88> which manager?
14:01 < cart_man> deo Hey so I cant seem to open a port . I run this command "sudo iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 137:138 -j ACCEPT " Just to test but they dont seem to open if I run " netstat -l " I still cant see that
14:01 < purplex88> apt?
14:02 < rumpel> purplex88, do you know app stores on smart phones? now imagine that much more secure with way less games but lots and lots of tools. Like that.  Look for a "software center" of some kind.
14:02 < rumpel> purplex88, or just do "sudo apt install synaptic"
14:02 < purplex88> i know playstore
14:03 < rumpel> purplex88, oh, you might also first have to update the package list. So it's "sudo apt update; sudo apt install synaptic"
14:03 < rumpel> purplex88, the terminal command is probably way faster and easier to do. Just sayin. :>
14:04 < stane1215> yy
14:05 < longxia> purplex88: purplex88 you chose a VM which is prepared to be used a an OpenFlow controller in combination with a hardware switch or Open vSwitch, for example. Having never used Linux, i think you're looking at a steep learning curve here. Is this really what you want?
14:05 < deo> cart_man: command I gave you was way different, also you wont see it with netstat -l (but possibly with iptables -vnL)
14:06 < stane1215> y
14:06 < cart_man> deo : I dont get the 0/24 thing though
14:07 < dka> What is the difference between OSI Approved License and FSF (Free) License ?
14:07 < deo> oh just replace '-A INPUT -p tcp' with '-I INPUT 1 -p udp' then
14:11 < cart_man> deo Should I restart the system?
14:12 < deo> no
14:16 < superguest> Can someone briefly explain the "wheel" group?
14:16 < superguest> perhaps there's some history on it
14:17 < solidfox> the wheel group has the steering wheel of the system
14:17 < solidfox> so to speak
14:17 < well_laid_lawn> https://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/the-wheel-group/
14:17 < superguest> Context: I am editing the /etc/sudoers file
14:18 < rumpel> superguest, seems to be slang: "wheel: n. [from slang ‘big wheel’ for a powerful person] A person who has an active wheel bit."
14:18 < rumpel> superguest, https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1262/where-did-the-wheel-group-get-its-name
14:18 < ananke> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_group
14:19 < grauzikas> Hello, i`m running virtual machines on my box and i want to shape traffic for them. I`m using TC shaper, but strange think is that is if there is only few virtual machines on box then everything is fine if more or many then on each virtual machine traffic goes down.
14:19 < grauzikas> i tryed speed tests via wget
14:19 < grauzikas> via speedtest-cli everything seems fine
14:19 < nikio_> how can i make sure tha
14:20 < acresearch> people i have gnome, and using the dark theme, but that causes all the field in firefox for become dark so i cannot see what i write in them, any help?
14:20 < solidfox> haha good ol' stallman
14:20 < nikio_> when i add a file to a folder as root, it will still automatically be owned by whoever owns the map i created the file in?
14:20 < solidfox> well_laid_lawn, that's a nice article
14:20 < grauzikas> https://pastebin.com/C13Vph6c this is my TC shaper script, cant understand whats wrong
14:21 < ananke> nikio_: what is this 'map' you're talking about?
14:21 < solidfox> well_laid_lawn, I find the "Why GNU su does not support the wheel group" section funny
14:21 < nikio_> any map on a linux file system
14:21 < ananke> nikio_: yeah, what is this 'map'?
14:21 < nikio_> synonym for folder
14:21 < ananke> nikio_: no such thing
14:21 < nikio_> ok mixing up languages
14:21 < nikio_> i ment folder
14:22 < ananke> nikio_: if you want people to understand what you're asking for, the proper term would be 'directory' not a 'map'. you can't forcefully change owners, but you can grant permissions to other users with ACLs
14:22 < cart_man> deo , I cant see the ports open anywhere even using iptables although the -vnl does not seem to work
14:22 < solidfox> well_laid_lawn, I don't see that paragraph in ubuntu su
14:22 < cart_man> deo Sorry I know this is frustrating
14:23 < rypervenche> nikio_: You can use setgid on the folder and it will get the same group, if that solves your problem. Otherwise, you'll want to set up normal and default ACLs on the directory.
14:25 < nikio_> i just want to set something
14:25 < nikio_>  so that when i create files in the folder as root
14:26 < nikio_> the user that owns the folder can modify or delete it
14:26 < nikio_> without me having to do anything extra each time
14:26 < rypervenche> nikio_: Just do a chown after you create the folder. Or create the folder as the user.
14:26 < jhodrien> If you create files in a folder owned by the user, you *can* delete files within it.
14:26 < jhodrien> Even without a chown.
14:27 < jhodrien> Do you mean a full hierarchy of files, or just flat?
14:27 < nikio_> even if the owner of the files in the folder is root?
14:27 < jhodrien> Yes.
14:27 < jhodrien> Unless you chmod to make that not the case, like with /tmp .
14:27 < rypervenche> You might also want to look into using the sticky bit.
14:27 < ananke> nikio_: try it.
14:28 < jhodrien> Or *not* use the sticky bit.
14:28 < ananke> sticky bit would do the opposite
14:28 < rypervenche> Meh, I don't really understand what he's trying to do.
14:28 < jhodrien> He wants the owner of the directory to be able to delete files within it.
14:28 < ananke> rypervenche: sticky bit prevents others from removing files. that's the opposite of where he's going
14:28 < rypervenche> Gotcha.
14:33 < nikio_> ananke, i cant delete all
14:33 < nikio_> only the files, not the files within subfolders
14:34 < gm152> Who owns the subdirectory?
14:34 < nikio_> obviously root
14:34 < nikio_> because i created them as root
14:35 < nikio_> i want the user who owns the parent folder to be able to delete everything
14:35 < nikio_> including subfolders and files within those subfolders
14:36 < rypervenche> nikio_: You can't do that if root is creating those subdirectories and now changing the owner or permissions.
14:36 < rypervenche> s/now/not/
14:36 < nikio_> i think there is a way
14:37 < nikio_> something has to be set somewhere
14:37 < nikio_> additionally
14:37 < nikio_> just dont know what
14:37 < nikio_> ill try a few things
14:38 < nikio_> maybe its setfacl
14:40 < rypervenche> nikio_: Is there a reason why you're trying really hard to only have to run 1 command instead of 2 to get this done?
14:40 < luke-jr> nikio_: you could write a script and give the user sudo access to run it
14:41 < nikio_> i think setfacl has an option to give certain permissions in the future
14:41 < rypervenche> dir="/path/to/dir"; mkdir $dir/new && chown user:user $dir/new
14:41 < rypervenche> Something like that would work too...
14:41 < Psi-Jack> "default" permissions.
14:41 < nikio_> yes default permissions
14:42 < nikio_> that way i dont have to stop doing what i always do
14:42 < nikio_> just set it once and forget about it
14:42 < Psi-Jack> Also. You're doing it wrong! (tm) (c)
14:42 < deo> cart_man: once again, gave you something different -vnL, not vnl
14:42 < cart_man> deo Ugh yea soz I eventually read that .. my eyes are tired : /
14:43 < nikio_> Psi-Jack, how am i doing it wrong?
14:43 < nikio_> please enlighten
14:44 < Psi-Jack> nikio_: User owns directory, root owns subdirectory.
14:44 < Psi-Jack> This ^
14:44 < Psi-Jack> Why in the world would you do such a thing?
14:45 < nikio_> simple explanation
14:45 < nikio_> there is user who is not allowed to be root
14:45 < Psi-Jack> Bad excuse.
14:46 < nikio_> while i use winscp to work with the filesystem as root
14:46 < Psi-Jack> Even worse excuse.
14:46 < deo> cart_man: if you do not have experience with firewalls, stop it completely test the access then put it back on and if still does not work you may another issue to resolve
14:46 < nikio_> i sometimes upload some webapplicaiton files tehre
14:46 < nikio_> so they become owned by root
14:46 < Psi-Jack> Stop hitting enter as punctuation/pauses in thought.
14:46 < nikio_> there
14:46 < nikio_> now you understand
14:46 < Psi-Jack> I understand you do things wrong.
14:46 < nikio_> a good reason why someone would do it
14:46 < Psi-Jack> No, a bad reason.
14:47 < nikio_> ok why do you think so?
14:47  * rypervenche sighs.
14:47 < Psi-Jack> Good luck. Just telling you, and you obviously don't want to hear. Up to you to listen to wisdom.
14:48 < LissajousPattern> you can lead a human to knowledge but you can't make them think
14:49 < Psi-Jack> Yep. And I'm far too sleepy (just woke up), and easily grumpy since I can't drink coffee this morning to help me wake up. LOL
14:49 < rypervenche> nikio_: You've got multiple people telling you that you should rethink how you do things. I would recommend you listen and change how you do things (which is essentially running a different command from before)
14:49 < nikio_> im always open to be englightened
14:49 < nikio_> i just havent heard any arguments to do it differently
14:49 < LissajousPattern> Psi-Jack, well hope your morning becomes a bit better.
14:50 < nikio_> and neither a solution for my problem
14:50 < Psi-Jack> For starters, stop using WinSCP, or logging in as root that way.
14:50 < Psi-Jack> THAT alone is bad.
14:50 < nikio_> no its not, whats your alternative?
14:50 < Psi-Jack> LissajousPattern: Eh. We'll see. Got a glucose tolerance test this morning.
14:50 < Psi-Jack> nikio_: Uhh, ... root isn't a regular user. You shouldn't be using it as such.
14:51 < Psi-Jack> Most people disable root ssh logins, for good reason.
14:51 < LissajousPattern> Psi-Jack, good luck with it... hope everything checks out OK
14:51 < nikio_> so do i
14:51 < nikio_> its just a quick switch to root after logging in
14:51 < nikio_> sudo su -
14:51 < Psi-Jack> ...
14:52 < nikio_> i think u need to step of your high horse
14:52 < Psi-Jack> "you"
14:52 < nikio_> i think that last comment symbolizes what is going on here
14:52 < nikio_> ill bbl
14:53 < Psi-Jack> Don't let the door hit you...?
14:53 < LissajousPattern> or maybe some of us need to learn to exercise a bit more compassion.
14:53 < Psi-Jack> Heh. WinSCP + sudo su -? File manager doing sudo? Heh
14:54 < BluesKaj> think he realized he was looking much like a troll and decided he didn't want help afterall
14:54 < Psi-Jack> I think, he really doesn't care, personally.
14:55 < rypervenche> He wanted an answer that worked for him. He'll find it eventually, if he listens. He was given the default ACL answer above, but didn't listen.
14:55 < BluesKaj> sasks for help , but objects to every reasonable suggestion...how  many times have we seen that :-)
14:55 < rypervenche> BluesKaj: Hmmmm, everytime?
14:55 < Psi-Jack> Not /every/ time. :)
14:56 < BluesKaj> the operative is every :-0
14:56 < BluesKaj> in his case
14:56 < LissajousPattern> it happens... some people need to beat their head against the wall before they realize they bleed like the rest of us.
14:56 < Psi-Jack> Well, I stopped messing with Traefik. Too many issues with it. Too many claims that don't work as expected.
14:57 < BluesKaj> or knock some sense into it
14:57 < qswz> hmm, with an encrypted disk, I need to put my password on every startup?
14:57 < qswz> oh man, that would be terrible
14:57 < rypervenche> :D
14:57 < Psi-Jack> Switched back to checking out Fabio, got it working with Vault for certificate storage, man oh man, it works well, and works fast!
14:58 < rypervenche> qswz: Why no no no, my good sir, you can simply put your password in a file and voilà! Encrypted AND automatic!
14:58 < Psi-Jack> qswz: ...
14:58 < rypervenche> Oh, he just joined. Wasn't a joke.
14:58 < qswz> ah, automatic login would work, cool then
14:59 < Psi-Jack> You could technically also put a key on an SD card and write some customized whizbang automation to check it, use it if it's inserted.
14:59 < Psi-Jack> But, to automatically do it plain and simple, defeats the purpose of encryption entirely.
14:59 < qswz> but I'm lazy
14:59 < jhodrien> There's also NBDE, and you could probably squirrel it away into the TPM.
14:59 < jhodrien> It depends why you're encrypting it.
14:59 < Psi-Jack> Why encrypt, if you're just going to defeat the purpose?
14:59 < qswz> it's a job requirement
15:00 < Psi-Jack> I'm sure it's also a job requirement to not defeat the purpose of it.
15:00 < solidfox> I was gonna encrypt my home folder on my laptop but I forgot
15:00 < solidfox> I wonder if I can set that up after the fact on kubuntu 18.04?
15:00 < Psi-Jack> Of course you can.
15:00 < qswz> it's better to encrypt full disk
15:01 < Psi-Jack> But, if you use that eCryptFS that Ubuntu uses, not worth it.
15:01 < jhodrien> It's different to encrypt the whole disk, not better.
15:01 < solidfox> oh :/
15:01 < solidfox> what's the point
15:01 < solidfox> I should just not own a laptop then it can't get stolen
15:01 < qswz> performance speaking, I think
15:02 < qswz> I'd rather have an autodestructive laptop if I get it stolen
15:02 < Psi-Jack> I unlock my FDE LUKS encrypted laptop with my yubikey.
15:02 < azarus> and I just use a passphrase :P
15:03 < Psi-Jack> Oh, I have to enter a passphrase too, and touch the little indicator afterwards on the key.
15:03 < azarus> ah, two factor
15:03 < solidfox> full-disk is a pain because then I have to enter two passwords everytime I login
15:03 < rypervenche> solidfox: Why do you have to do two?
15:03 < solidfox> er everytime I start the computer and login
15:03 < rypervenche> oh
15:04 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: Ohhhh the pain! THE PAIN!
15:04 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, lol
15:04 < rypervenche> solidfox: Well, at that point you could use automatic login for your user, but again...security :)
15:04 < Psi-Jack> Security is SOO haaaaard!
15:04 < solidfox> rypervenche, chrome requires your password
15:04 < Psi-Jack> :)
15:04 < rypervenche> solidfox: *blinks*
15:04 < solidfox> rypervenche, if you login without one, then chrome complains
15:04 < rypervenche> I'm guessing for your keyring?
15:05 < solidfox> yeah I think so
15:05 < solidfox> thing is I wasn't even saving any passwords in chrome, but there's no way to turn it off. at one point I renamed the executable for the dialog it was opening
15:05 < solidfox> but out of worry it might break something else, I renamed it back lol
15:06 < qswz> solidfox: chromeOS?
15:06 < rypervenche> Well, the keyring can be fixed, but yeah. That's not a chrome thing.
15:06 < Psi-Jack> LissajousPattern: Thanks, BTW. :)
15:06 < LissajousPattern> Psi-Jack, no doubt
15:07 < solidfox> qswz, no google chrome web browser
15:07 < qswz> yes, you just log in once for all
15:07 < qswz> I was confused by your 2 passwords steps at startup
15:08 < Psi-Jack> Heh, I get my 3 hour long course of fun. :)
15:08 < qswz> this is a killer
15:08 < solidfox> qswz, I don't see what's so hard to get about it.
15:08 < qswz> I hate typing passwords
15:08 < solidfox> qswz, if you use full-disk encryption then you have to enter a password at boot
15:08 < qswz> every fucking day
15:08 < solidfox> qswz, after that, you need to enter a password to log in.
15:08 < WebHome> quick kernel question.  I upgraded my kernel along with some other packages to address the Network Manager issue.  Upon reboot, it died.  So I switched my default kernel to the previous working.  Will yum update grab the next kernel after the "broken" kernel? (centos 7)
15:08 < Psi-Jack> qswz: Ahem. Kindly mind the language.
15:09 < qswz> or maybe you guys just never turn down machines
15:09 < qswz> Psi-Jack: sry
15:09 < Psi-Jack> "sorry"
15:09 < solidfox> qswz, if you login automatically without a password, google chrome web browser shows a dialog saying that you need to enter your computer password.
15:09 < Psi-Jack> FYI, SMS speak like that is frowned upon here.
15:09 < solidfox> qswz, may have been chromium
15:10 < WebHome> sorry, wrong channel >.<
15:10 < azarus> Psi-Jack: For your information, Short Message Service speak like that is frowned upon here.
15:10 < azarus> :-)
15:10 < qswz> lol, oops
15:11 < qswz> I failed again
15:11 < solidfox> common acronyms are allowed I think
15:11 < Psi-Jack> azarus: Oh shush you.
15:12 < Psi-Jack> qswz: Laziness is the epidemic of insecurity too.
15:13 < qswz> I'll try to pick a not-too-long password
15:14 < solidfox> nah that defeats the purpose
15:14 < azarus> passwordscanteverbetoolong1337
15:14 < qswz> really don't want to speand 30s every morning, on that password
15:14 < WebHome> you forgot the ! at the end
15:14 < solidfox> azarus, wtf. thats my password
15:14 < solidfox> azarus, I kid you not
15:14 < solidfox> azarus, oh actually I wrote "cannever" instead of "cantever"
15:15 < solidfox> qswz, type faster
15:15 < solidfox> azarus, pw changed tho
15:16 < qswz> I think Psi said soomething about SMS-speak
15:16 < Psi-Jack> I see no recent SMS speak.
15:17 < Psi-Jack> Ahh.
15:17 < solidfox> whoops
15:17 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: "password" "though"
15:17 < solidfox> bad habit
15:17 < solidfox> :)
15:17 < hendrix> btw. friend of mine uses 63 character wlan password (max. with wpa2-psk afaik) which to me is little paranoid
15:18 < Psi-Jack> Why not use RADIUS then? :p
15:18 < solidfox> hendrix, well. pretty soon encryption is going to be totally broken by quantum computing
15:19 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: Sure. IN about 50 years.
15:19 < kurahaupo> solidfox: are you sure about that?
15:19 < solidfox> kurahaupo, Psi-Jack IBM says less than 5
15:20 < solidfox> years.
15:20 < kurahaupo> Their engineers, or their marketers?
15:20 < solidfox> kurahaupo, ha ha. not sure
15:26 < mattfly> hi
15:26 < mattfly> i have a reocurring -bash process that keeps comming and burning 100% of my cpu
15:26 < mattfly> im killing it from htop but it keeps comming, how can i find what is generating this
15:27 < ananke> mattfly: look at its parent
15:27 < mattfly> how?
15:27 < ananke> mattfly: pstree -a for one
15:28 < bitSt0rm> Hey guys - I followed this guide to install missing firmware: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi and from commandline I can scan networks but in 'wicd client' the wireless access points around me dont show at all. Someone know what i can try?
15:29 < rypervenche> mattfly: When it happens, can you run this? "ps -eF --forest | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io" without the double quotes please?
15:29 < bitSt0rm> (I just reinstalled and have used the drivers previously but have forgotten what steps i did and struggled for days back then)
15:29 < rypervenche> bitSt0rm: Does "ls /sys/class/net" show your wireless NIC?
15:30 < bitSt0rm> rypervenche: yes, ethenet, wlan and loopback
15:30 < rypervenche> bitSt0rm: Are you using the correct NIC name in your wicd setup?
15:31 < bitSt0rm> rypervenche: Im not sure, can I edit this in a config file or from the gui?
15:32 < bitSt0rm> Do you mean wpasupplicant driver rypervenche ?
15:33 < mattfly> I looked at its parent and it is the init process
15:33 < bitSt0rm> rypervenche: I figured it now! :D
15:33 < bitSt0rm> I didn't specify the wlan interface xD
15:33 < bitSt0rm> Thanks man! :)
15:33 < mattfly> # ps -o ppid= -p 15558
15:33 < mattfly>  2837
15:33 < mattfly> /# ps -p 2837 -o comm=
15:33 < mattfly> init
15:33 < rypervenche> bitSt0rm: There ya go :)
15:34 < mattfly> 15558 is the command -bash from htop and my 12 cores are at 100%
15:34 < mattfly> with variants of this bash process
15:34 < mattfly> various
15:35 < ananke> mattfly: post more factual data if you want people to help you. ps auxww
15:37 < mattfly> admin    15558 1117  1.3 1257392 54552 ?       Sl   14:33  37:37 -bash
15:37 < mattfly> and i have this line behind it
15:37 < mattfly> --library-path stak stak/xmr-stak
15:39 < rypervenche> mattfly: https://github.com/fireice-uk/xmr-stak
15:39 < mattfly> damn Oo
15:39 < rypervenche> If that's not yours, then it's time to reinstall.
15:40 < mattfly> its not mine
15:40 < mattfly> its a vps server i cant reinstall
15:40 < rypervenche> Sure you can.
15:40 < mattfly> well isnt there a better solution?
15:40 < rypervenche> Nope. You don't know what has been infected.
15:41 < mattfly> someone somehow from the admin user is connecting to that
15:41 < rypervenche> Even more reason to reinstall.
15:41 < codecutter> if i already have ssl setup (letsencrypt) for www.myserver.com, then I create a new subdomain blog.myserver.com, do i need to reconfigure ssl settings?
15:42 < mattfly> nah if i just reinstall this will come back again... i think i shold find out who and how is doing this
15:43 < rypervenche> codecutter: You will need a separate cert for the subdomain.
15:43 < twainwek> codecutter: yes if the certificate you installed is only for myserver.com
15:43 < rypervenche> mattfly: It won't come back unless you're running vulnerable code.
15:44 < mattfly> which i probrably am, otherwise this wouldnt have come
15:44 < mattfly> I have nextcloud
15:45 < rypervenche> mattfly: Well, the only thing I can say is make sure you keep your things up-to-date.
15:47 < kraftb> apt-get install debian-stretch
15:52 < mattfly> well if anyone want to help me with ideas from where or how is this happening, the parent process is init, the user admin (which is my regular user) and the command is -bash
15:52 < mattfly>                                                                                                                              
15:52 < mattfly>                                                                        --library-path stak stak/xmr-stak
15:53 < ananke> mattfly: you've been already told. sounds like you have a cryptocurrency miner running
15:54 < mattfly> yeah and how did the hacker did that
15:54 < mattfly> where is the file thats running this, how does this run, where is the vulnerability
15:54 < ananke> mattfly: it's like asking how your house got burglarized
15:54 < Dresmi> hello i have a good linux question
15:55 < Dresmi> I am trying to play some of them steam games on my chromebook because thas all i got, but apparently i have to install linux
15:55 < mattfly> yes
15:55 < mattfly> whats the problem
15:55 < Dresmi> I went to linux site and its like "What the fuck do you want to download"
15:55 < ananke> mattfly: we have virtually no information about your system, its history, its setup, its access controls, its software and services. yet you want accurate diagnosis on how it happened
15:55 < Dresmi> and now im seeing fedora, ubuntu and all sorts of stuff
15:55 < mattfly> no i dont want accurate diagnosis
15:55 < mattfly> i want ideas that will guide me to figure out where the problem is
15:57 < ananke> mattfly: there are tons of books on the science & art of forensics. in the meantime, reinstall
15:57 < twainwek> Dresmi: you went to the linux site?
15:57 < Dresmi> ye
15:57 < Dresmi> i am on www.linux.org
15:57 < mattfly> nah i dont want to learn all that, i just want to solve this very problem now if someone is up to help
15:57 < Dresmi> right now i am here https://www.linux.org/pages/download/
15:58 < twainwek> what are you trying to do
15:58 < ananke> mattfly: reinstalling would solve the very problem you're facing
15:58 < mattfly> would take a lot of time to make the backups i need and install all i need again
15:58 < mattfly> so probrably not faster
15:58 < rypervenche> mattfly: You should be taking backups regardless. Now is a good time to start.
15:58 < mattfly> and maybe it comes back depengind on the backups i make
15:59 < ananke> mattfly: problem is, with your level of familiarity with this OS and this situation your chances of 'fixing' it are slim
16:00 < purplex88> any idea why and how are some settings have been removed from ubuntu image that i installed: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7rv69tpqw9ys1yi/Ubuntu%20Settings.png ?
16:01 < purplex88> to do so do you need to compile the ubuntu OS image?
16:01 < azarus> Dresmi: installing Linux on a Chromebook is certainly not the best way to start your Linux 'career'
16:01 < azarus> it's kinda finicky
16:02 < ananke> mattfly: you can get scripts such as chkrootkit and rkhunter. they may help you spot any potential malware. however, we have very little to go on to give you more detailed advice
16:02 < autopsy> azarus, what's with a Chromebook?
16:02 < azarus> autopsy: Dresmi want to install Linux on a chromebook.
16:03 < autopsy> Oh.
16:03 < Dresmi> all i want to do is play some fallout 2 my dawg
16:04 < azarus> Dresmi: works on Linux with Wine, yup
16:05 < Dresmi> I am reading some guides and stuff but they are using big words
16:05 < mattfly> found the issue
16:05 < mattfly> i have some lxc containers and i shared with someone
16:05 < mattfly> the folder  xmr-stak is inside its tmp dir
16:05 < mattfly> shutting it down...
16:06 < ananke> mattfly: I hope it's a lesson learned. don't give access to others
16:06 < mattfly> is was supposed to..... he pays me for this
16:06 < mattfly> i should limit the cpu usage
16:06 < mattfly> i havent figured quite well how to do this with lxc
16:07 < ananke> mattfly: pays you for what? being a proxy? you pay for a VPS, and this person pays you for using it? sounds like a recipe for a disaster
16:07 < mattfly> hes using ssh with password
16:07 < twainwek> lol
16:07 < mattfly> someone might have bruteforced
16:08 < mattfly> hm is not quite like that ananke
16:08 < codecutter> twainwek: can i just add the blog.mysever.com alongside my existing domain names in /etc/nginx/sites-available/default and regenerate, as you see here https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-nginx-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-16-04
16:08 < codecutter> Step 2 — Setting up Nginx
16:08 < mattfly> thanks for your show of opinions and answers for everything except what i have asked without giving any help at all
16:09 < ananke> another satisfied customer
16:09 < triceratux> np, thats what we are here for
16:09 < vojtechkral> Hi. Does anyone know how udevadm reads USB device model names?
16:13 < gypsymauro> I've a linux box that keeps quering my dns, how can I gind which process is doing that?
16:17 < vojtechkral> gypsymauro: netstat or wireshark
16:17 < uplime> if /proc has a UDP file like its tcp file, you can take a packet capture, find the local port of the DNS query, then look in that file for which process is using that port
16:19 < acresearch> people i have gnome, and using the dark theme, but that causes all the field in firefox for become dark so i cannot see what i write in them, any help?
16:20 < azarus> acresearch: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/text-contrast-for-dark-themes/
16:28 < acresearch> azarus: this is strange, why does firefox build its graphics this way, then develops an add on to fix it?
16:32 < jnor> hi using EFI, it's picking up some entries that I have not defined in refind.conf, and aand can't figure out why/how and they are not in EFI root folder or subfolders "_"
16:32 < jnor> where can they come from have grepped and searched in /boot
16:34 < prussian> efi variables
16:35 < TandyUK> hi guys, after a simple 'what command' reminder lol,  I have a text file with 3000 lines in it, im looking to do (in bash) the mysql equivalent of "select disctint(line),count(*) from..."
16:35 < hendrix> acresearch: it isn't "firefox" (or mozilla) who has developed it
16:36 < LinuxNewb_06OQx5> t
16:36 < TandyUK> im sure this should be pretty simple and grep and wc will be in there somewhere
16:36 < jnor> prussian: where are they fefined ?
16:36 < ananke> TandyUK: uniq
16:37 < TandyUK> thats thw kiddie, thatnks :)
16:37 < jnor> ahh think I may found fix brb
16:37 < azarus> acresearch: that add on is not developed by mozilla
16:38 < post-factum> TandyUK: just note that uniq works on *sorted* input
16:38 < TandyUK> yeah i can sort it first no problem
16:40 < rypervenche> sort -u works too
16:40 < LinuxNewb_06OQx5> t
16:40 < post-factum> or sort | uniq -c…
16:43 < prussian> jnor: /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
16:43 < prussian> efibootmgr should control them
16:44 < noway96> so I'm trying to put some text on top of an image. I want the image to look transparent and for various reasons I want it to be that kind of transparent on insertion. Any way to set the transparency of the image using convert?
16:48 < brutser> how do I compile a kernel with virtualbox guest addition, or is this already out somewhere? can anyone help or point me to an article? thanks!
16:48 < jhodrien> brutser: Kernel with guest additions?
16:48 < ananke> brutser: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
16:49 < brutser> jhodrien: yes i use virtualbox a lot and every fresh install i need to install those guest additions
16:49 < brutser> i read something about the new kernel 4.16 and upwards that they will include those in the kernel, but that is not yet completed or partly
16:50 < azarus> brutser: look into manual kernel compilation
16:50 < ananke> brutser: on the hypervisor or in individual vms?
16:50 < revel> 4.16 only has guest additions, I think, and you'll probably still want the out-of-tree version if you want it to be more up-to-date.
16:51 < brutser> revel: yes, but it's not complete yet i think, the shared folder is a different driver, that will be included later
16:51 < Dan39> is there a way to use efibootmgr when the distro was booted legacy?
16:51 < revel> As I said, guest additions, not the stuff for the host.
16:51 < brutser> ananke: individual vms
16:51 < revel> Oh, right, shared folder for the host.
16:51 < revel> s/host/guest/
16:52 < brutser> virtualbox only provide a binary file to install the additions, can anyone show me an article how to build the kernel with this? really i know the concept but have no idea :)
16:54 < ananke> brutser: just install the open-vm tools package for a given distro
16:54 < meretrix> Why doesn't this work (but it does when run in an interactive ssh shell)?  "ssh user@host sh -c 'ulimit -s 16000; limit -s'"
16:54 < meretrix> *ulimit
16:54 < brutser> ananke: don't think that works for virtualbox, only vmware not?
16:55 < ananke> brutser: it also works for vbox
16:55 < meretrix> I want to run a remote command via a script with a larger than default stack size.
16:55 < azarus> brutser: again, look into manual kernel compilation
16:55 < ananke> azarus: that's an overkill
16:56 < rypervenche> brutser: For which distribution(s) is this for? (on the guest side)
16:56 < brutser> rypervenche: centos7 mainly
16:56 < codecutter> issues my website www.mydomain.com redirected you too many times.
16:57 < azarus> codecutter: that's likely an issue with your webserver
16:57 < brutser> azarus: already doing yes
16:57 < hans__> why does it take forever to delete a 6TB file from an ext4 partition containing only 1 single 6TB file?
16:57 < rypervenche> brutser: https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2010/install-virtualbox-guest-additions-on-fedora-centos-red-hat-rhel/
16:57 < azarus> hans__: mount options?
16:58 < brutser> rypervenche: sorry i know how to get it installed, it was how to compile it with the kernel, but thanks anyway\
16:58 < hans__> azarus, ext4 rw,relatime,data=ordered
16:58 < rypervenche> brutser: You're going to have a bad time with that.
16:59 < brutser> rypervenche: yes i am afraid so, but ok
17:00 < hans__> azarus, (and then there is 2 zeroes separated by spaces, dunno what those are)
17:00 < codecutter> azarus what other tool can use to check?
17:00 < azarus> codecutter: no tool, use your brain
17:00 < brutser> off topic: what are the cons for unofficially upgrading the kernel, for example with centos7 upgrading to 4.16 with elrepo - performance and security wise?
17:00 < codecutter> tell me
17:00 < hans__> hah, it used 7 minutes and 33 seconds to delete that 6TB file
17:00 < azarus> codecutter: look at the configuration of your webserver
17:02 < hans__> uhh, that's confusing tho
17:02 < codecutter> everything was fine until i edited this file (Step 2 — Setting up Nginx) to add subdomain (alongside exiting main domain) https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-nginx-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-16-04
17:02 < hans__> real: 7m33.740s user 0m0.000s sys 0m3.507s
17:03 < Psi-Jack> brutser: not much. Elrepo is pretty good actually.
17:03 < hans__> wherever the time was spent, `time rm file` says it wasn't in the system, and not in user mode
17:03 < Psi-Jack> brutser: and that's not off topic. That's a Linux question. Heh
17:05 < brutser> Psi-Jack: yea :) you by any change have experience with the newest kernel and the vbox guest additions? it seems they are compiled now with the kernel
17:05 < RayTracer> hans__: probably waiting for i/o
17:05 < brutser> though when i update the kernel i think i will need to load the driver manually?
17:06 < azarus> brutser: no, likely not
17:08 < RayTracer> hans__: and fwiw, the last two numbers [of /etc/fstab lines] are for dump and fsck, see also "man 5 fstab"
17:09 < hans__> kk
17:10 < hans__> shouldn't "waiting for io" count as sys tho?
17:10 < brutser> ananke: i do think open-vm-tools is for vms hosted on vmware - not vbox
17:10 < hans__> brutser, can confirm.
17:10 < brutser> i installed it, but no functions work
17:10 < brutser> ok hans thx
17:10 < hans__> there's also open-vm-tools-desktop  if its a GUI client
17:11 < hans__> err, GUI VM
17:12 < brutser> yes i installed that too
17:12 < brutser> but with vbox no functions work
17:13 < hans__> brutser, ?? "functions" ?
17:13 < brutser> resizing, shared folders, the GA functions
17:14 < brutser> guest additions <
17:14 < hans__> oh, you might have confused it bigtime when you installed open-vm-tools-desktop, maybe it's trying to run the VMWare graphics drivers in virtualbox, and thus can't resize?
17:14 < RayTracer> hans__: I don't think so.. why should system be accountable for slow disks (or wherever you do i/o to)? top has sy/wa separate as well
17:15 < brutser> hans__: misunderstanding, can you confirm open-vm-tools etc. is for vmware, does not work on vbox, right?
17:15 < hans__> brutser, correct.
17:16 < hans__> brutser, btw are you running xorg or ... mir/nir/whatever it was called?
17:16 < hans__> wayland?
17:18 < brutser> xorg
17:19 < brutser> also tried upgrading the kernel to 4.16, but although vbox GA should be compiled with this kernel, it does not work by default
17:26 < MrGrz> i'm back
17:27 < EvilRoey> hi
17:27 < MrGrz> hi
17:27 < EvilRoey> what tools exist to give a sort of ActiveDirectory-like view to network management of Linux boxes?
17:27 < EvilRoey> hihi MrGrz
17:28 < MrGrz> evilroey, hi
17:38 < jhodrien> EvilRoey: Foreman?  Not exactly the same, but who wants exactly the same?
17:38 < jhodrien> Obviously Active Directory is the other tool you could use ;)
17:40 < enelar> Guys, obviously i messed up when played with kernel config. Everything works except wine: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error, how to debug that?
17:40 < brutser> considering a tutorial like this: https://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/BuildingKernelModules - how do I approach this when trying to build a kernel module for VBoxLinuxAdditions.run (guest additions vbox) ?
17:40 < enelar> tried some google, but it doesnt contain valuable info. x64
17:42 < enelar> oh, seems wine is ELF 32-bit, nvm then
17:42 < enelar> thanks
17:43 < EvilRoey> jhodrien: heh yeah :)
17:44 < EvilRoey> jhodrien: and you can assign "policies" with Foreman?
17:51 < jhodrien> Well, if you go all in you can do anything puppet can do, so in a way, yes.
17:52 < jhodrien> You can only just apply policies to linux boxes with SSSD and Active Directory.
18:05 < R13ose> I am getting this error says mount: can't find /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root in fstab.  The drive is in LVM. How to fix?  I am in busybox built-in shell.
18:07 < jim> R13ose, maybe that vg has not been activated?
18:08 < mawk> indeed jim
18:08 < mawk> or maybe not
18:08 < jim> it should also be available as /dev/ubuntu-vg/root
18:08 < mawk> does the file /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root exist R13ose ?
18:08 < R13ose> Yes
18:08 < jim> so it is active
18:09 < mawk> so mount it manually
18:09 < mawk> what are you doing anyway
18:09 < jim> oh, reread error msg, says it can't be found -in fstab-
18:09 < mawk> patching the system from init=/bin/sh or something ?
18:10 < R13ose> I am trying to boot the system
18:10 < jim> I'd be curious about the /etc/fstab file and what's in it
18:11 < R13ose> jim: how do I see what is in the file?
18:11 < jim> umm :) you could boot another linux and activate then mount it
18:12 < mawk> your init system is faulty then R13ose
18:12 < R13ose> jim: I can't see this from busybox?
18:12 < mawk> or your fstab is
18:12 < mawk> when is the busybox started ? any error message ?
18:12 < R13ose> mawk: how to fix?
18:12 < jim> wait... small conflict: if it can't find /dev/ubuntu-vg/root, how can it know what is or is not in fstab
18:12 < mawk> did you mess with /etc/fstab currently ?
18:13 < mawk> jim: it can't find the path *in fstab*
18:13 < mawk> so it doesn't know where to mount it
18:13 < mawk> but it knows where the block device is
18:14 < jim> how is it seeing fstab at all? isn't it on the filesystem at /dev/ubuntu-vg/root?
18:14 < jim> or is there another root filesystem?
18:14 < mawk> yes there is another root filesystem, at boot
18:14 < mawk> from the ramdisk/initramfs
18:14 < jim> oh you mean the initrd?
18:15 < mawk> yeah
18:15 < mawk> I guess that's where the fstab is coming from
18:16 < jim> so the filesystem on the fstab at /dev/ubuntu-vg/root doesn't match the fstab on the initrd
18:16 < mawk> I suppose
18:16 < mawk> let me check what's in a typical initrd
18:17 < jim> I'm not sure fstab would be in there
18:17 < mawk> there is an empty fstab in my initramfs
18:18 < mawk> so I guess it's done statically, by the collection of scripts that's built into the initramfs when you update the kernel
18:18 < jim> there could be yet another root filesystem somewhere (not an initrd), either that or he was trying to move the root filesystem
18:18 < jim> back in a bit :)
18:18 < R13ose> I was not trying to move the root
18:19 < jim> ok
18:19 < R13ose> I was only doing fsck and badblocks before
18:26 < R13ose> How do I match everything correctly?
18:29 < jim> how does this machine get its net?
18:30 < jim> so I guess you're running ubuntu with lvm
18:30 < R13ose> jim: I am using Internet from my phone
18:30 < R13ose> jim: yes the drive is lvm
18:30 < jim> oh ok, is that feeding the machine in question?
18:30 < R13ose> jim: what feeding the machine?
18:31 < jim> okok, let's disambiguate :)
18:31 < jim> first, you're here because of internet on your phone? is your irc client you're using now on your phone as well?
18:32 < R13ose> jim: yes to both.  The laptop that I am trying to fix is not connected to the internet as far as I know.
18:33 < jim> ok, what do you want to do with the installation of ubuntu on the laptop?
18:34 < R13ose> jim: to get this to boot into GUI again.
18:34 < jim> ok
18:35 < jim> can you try: ifconfig -a and look on the left side of that output for the interface names, show us that list?
18:36 < jim> also, do you have a connection to the internet that comes into your house (say, a dsl or cable modem)?
18:36 < jim> (and, are you at home :)
18:37 < ayecee> (also, what are you wearing)
18:37 < jim> a/s/l or gtfo!
18:37 < jim> kidding
18:38 < R13ose> jim: output: https://imgur.com/a/mNsRogN I think this is cable and at home yes.
18:39 < jim> ok, it looks like you have a wired ethernet port on the machine
18:39 < jim> got a cable? :)
18:39 < jim> eth cable that is
18:39 < R13ose> jim: I am wired yes
18:40 < jim> ok, is there currently an eth cable plugged into the laptop?
18:40 < R13ose> Yes
18:41 < jim> lemme look at that pic again
18:42 < jim> ok, looks like it does not have an IP and is not up
18:43 < jim> I wonder about the kernel command line that is in the boot loader config file
18:45 < jim> so when you first boot the machine, do you get choices? (or, the second choice on the grub menu should open up into 2 or more choices)
18:46 < R13ose> jim: yes
18:46 < jim> can you take an image of the choices you get?
18:47 < jim> and hit the up/down arrow a couple times so it doesn't automatically pick a choice
18:47 < R13ose> jim: the options are normal ones, nothing new.
18:48 < R13ose> jim: why do you want to see this?
18:48 < jim> ok, can you edit the top choice?
18:48 < jnewt> my scanner quit working on linux.   still works fine on windows.   I've tried unplugging and plugging back in, it doesn't show up in simple scan anymore.  it's a fujitsu scansnap ix500.   was working yesterday.
18:48 < jim> because I wanted to see the kernel command line, specifically, what it says after root=
18:49 < R13ose> jim: okay I will do that, give me a minute
18:49 < jim> thanks
18:49 < jnewt> have this from lsusb: Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04c5:132b Fujitsu, Ltd
18:50 < jim> yeah my scanner failed too, after an upgrade
18:51 < jim> tried to get it going again, but no go
18:52 < jnewt> jim, sounds like linux upgrade is the failure, not the scanner.   you didn't change the scanner right?   I didn't even upgrade.
18:52 < jim> you mean replace it? no
18:53 < jnewt> My scanner didn't fail, it's not the problem here.   problem is isolated to linux & simplescan and whatever is inbetween the two.
18:53 < R13ose> jim: screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/3RocoH6
18:54 < jnewt> it's definitely an os / software issue.
18:54 < GrayShade> how can I use the ondemand governor? I loaded the module, but I only have powersave and performance in scaling_available_governors
18:56 < Dagmar> Make sure you don't leave the module out of your kernel build
18:56 < Dagmar> Also, go back in time several years
18:56 < GrayShade> oh?
18:56 < GrayShade> I have the module loaded
18:57 < Dagmar> The ondemand governor is obsolete.
18:57 < GrayShade> what should I be using?
18:57 < jim> ok so that says the root filesystem is the one we've been talking about
18:58 < Dagmar> GrayShade: That depends upon your CPU
18:58 < GrayShade> Dagmar: Skylake or Celeron
18:58 < brutser> how can i include/load a .ko kernel module with kickstart file? i first thought i need to compile whole kernel, but i dont think this is needed, can i just load the .ko module compiled for the kernel?
18:59 < GrayShade> (I have two)
18:59 < jim> (well there are really two roots, the root of the boot loader is the partition that holds the kernels, and the root filesystem is shown on the kernel command line
18:59 < jim> )
18:59 < Dagmar> GrayShade: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
19:00 < jim> brb, need to take care of some irl stuff
19:01 < R13ose> jim: okay.  Can you ping me as I might not be watching this space all the time.
19:01 < GrayShade> DaringlyEsoteric: conservative doesn't show up either. I think I'm missing something.
19:01 < GrayShade> argh
19:01 < GrayShade> Dagmar ^
19:01 < GrayShade> sorry
19:02 < jim> R13ose, ok
19:12 < jim> R13ose, ping
19:14 < R13ose> jim: pong
19:18 < jim> R13ose, ok, so where we are, is that you potentially could get net on that laptop (this would be handy for showing us stuff, which you're already doing with the camera)
19:19 < R13ose> jim: how do I get internet?
19:19 < NanoSector> hey, i have a supermicro HBA card based on a Marvell controller in my NAS, i was wondering if there was a way to get its temperature
19:20 < jim> we know the root filesystem exists and is correctly referred to in the bootloader config's copy of the kernel command line, so that should work... what we don't know is whether there's a copy of the /etc/fstab file in the initrd that doesn't match up with the above
19:20 < R13ose> jim: right
19:21 < jim> R13ose, well according to what you've said, your net for the laptop is supplied by your home internet connectioin, by wired ethernet
19:21 < pankaj_> How do I connect to and take advantage of linux mailing list. I googled but did not fully got to how to use it.
19:21 < R13ose> jim: there is wireless too but this laptop wireless not always working
19:22 < jim> if you try to boot the machine and when you get the grub menu, could you pick the second choice and show that
19:22 < jim> R13ose, ok... fortunately we can deal with the wireless later
19:23 < R13ose> jim: second option in advanced options?  I showed you the first option not in advanced.
19:23 < jim> right, show what's in advanced options
19:24 < jim> forgot what it was called :)
19:24 < R13ose> jim: what should I show you, edit of advanced or first or second option in advanced?  The second is recovery mode
19:25 < jim> so there are only two options in advanced?
19:25 < R13ose> jim: two kernels yes and both have normal + recovery options
19:26 < jim> oh, two kernels? whic are they/
19:26 < jim> that second kernel might allow us to boot
19:27 < jim> two kernels == two initrds
19:29 < jim> here's what you should try: advanced options, then first normal, see if you get the error message, then try advanced/ second normal
19:30 < R13ose> jim: I thought I did and both come back to shell
19:31 < jim> give it one more try (this is kinda weird :)
19:32 < R13ose> jim: what if they fail again?
19:35 < farciarz84> hi folks; is there any way to provide openssl lib dynamically to nginx or have to recompile?
19:36 < morf> yes :)
19:36 < R13ose> jim: both failed
19:38 < farciarz84> morf: how?
19:40 < farciarz84> morf: I am trying with setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH but nginx seems to ignore it...
19:41 < jim> R13ose, ok, so then we'd have to boot another debian deriv (ubuntu should work fine) and mount the original root fs somewhere (and the sys, dev and proc "fses"), chroot in there and rebuild the initrds
19:41 < jim> are you sure you didn't touch /etc/fstab?
19:43 < jim> farciarz84, you probably have to make sure to "export" LD_LIBRARY_PATH
19:43 < R13ose> jim: all I did was fsck and badblocks.  I cancelled badblocks.
19:43 < R13ose> jim: your way will not get rid of files will it?
19:44 < jim> do you have a separate /boot filessystem/partition?
19:44 < R13ose> jim: I think so but unsure
19:44 < jim> R13ose, I don't think so... which files in particular?
19:46 < R13ose> jim: I have copied them over but the home directories.
19:46 < jim> R13ose, alternatively, you could form the chroot as I described before (and make sure that /boot is mounted also), chroot in and install a new kernel image package (or purge/reinstall)
19:47 < jim> -or- just purge the old one
19:47 < ssarah> tcpdump -l -i eth0 -q -n dst | cut -d' ' -f3 | cut -d'.' -f1,4 <- can someone explain to me why is this not working?
19:47 < ssarah> ups
19:47 < jim> any of these alternatives should cause the initrds to be rebuilt
19:47 < mwd> ssarah, network cable unplugged
19:47 < ssarah> ok ok, but it's a linux thing
19:47 < R13ose> jim: can we try to install a new kernel image plus anything you want to do?  I have a live usb of Ubuntu I can use
19:48 < jim> perfect
19:48 < jim> boot that
19:48 < ssarah> tcpdump -l -i eth0 -q -n dst | cut -d' ' -f3  <- this works
19:48 < jim> it might take awhile, but it should restore your boot
19:49 < ssarah> tcpdump -l -i eth0 -q -n | cut -d' ' -f3 <- like so actually, this works no problem. But if I pipe into that extra cut, it stops.
19:49 < rypervenche> ssarah: What does "doesn't work" mean? What output are you getting and what output are you expecting?
19:49 < jim> about "can we try to install a new kernel image", sure, this would cause the initrds to be rebuilt
19:49 < ssarah> rypervenche, it doesnt ouput anything. If I remove that -l flag from tcpdump it will start buffing the data.
19:49 < bls> looks like a case of pipe buffering
19:50 < bls> try it with stdbuf in front of cut
19:50 < R13ose> jim: I am in
19:51 < jim> great.
19:52 < jim> so what you want to do first, is pick an empty dir (/mnt is ok, or create one), run vgchange -a y, and then start by mounting the root filesystem
19:52 < ssarah> bls, like so?  tcpdump -l -i eth0 -q -n  | stdbuf cut -d' ' -f3 | stdbuf cut -d'.' -f1,4
19:53 < ssarah> wow, it sure buffers a lot
19:53 < R13ose> jim: like mkdir /mnt/test?
19:54 < jim> sure that would work, or just use /mnt
19:54 < bls> ssarah: if the defaults work, sure. cut|cut is often better handled with sed or awk (and sed at least can handle the buffering on its own
19:54 < jim> (we're not actually gonna put stuff in the dir you pick)
19:55 < bls> ssarah: each pipe in the pipeline adds a 64KB buffer that has to fill or see EOF before it flushes to the next stage
19:55 < R13ose> jim: I did both but how to mount the root filesystem?
19:56 < jim> does /dev/ubuntu-vg exist?
19:56 < ssarah> bls is there a way to reduce the buffer size? in python i just put a 0 in an option
19:57 < jim> incidently, can you ping yahoo.com?
19:57 < bls> ssarah: either the commands has to have the ability to do so, like grep and sed, or you use stdbuf to manipulate it
19:57 < R13ose> jim: yes and I am on internet
19:58 < jim> great :)
19:58 < jim> do you have the executable nc?
19:58 < koala_man> bls: it's the libc buffer or equivalent. the pipe buffer doesn't store and flush
19:59 < jim> if so pastebins become a snap
20:00 < ssarah> bls, this is really weird :/
20:00 < bls> ah, never knew libc even came into play with pipes. I thought they were purely a kernel level construct
20:01 < jim> R13ose, you should be able to do this: mount /dev/ubuntu-vg/root /mnt
20:02 < R13ose> jim: I have nc
20:02 < jim> next we have to find where your /boot is... could you look at the output of ls /boot
20:03 < jim> or wait, thjat's wrong
20:03 < koala_man> bls: you're right about that, but when you fwrite(FILE*) it goes into a buffer, and only on flush is it actually written to the pipe (after which libc is not involved)
20:03 < ssarah> bls, this is really weird :/ not very fun anymore
20:03 < R13ose> I am going to do /mnt/test
20:03 < jim> the right one is ls /mnt/boot
20:03 < ssarah> stdbuf -o0 tcpdump -i eth0 -q -n  | stdbuf -o0 cut -d' ' -f3 | cut -d'.' -f1-4
20:03 < ssarah> im a sad panda
20:04 < ayecee> could use tcpdump's -l option instead of stdbuf
20:04 < rud0lf> aside of A2DP and HFP with my headphone set, i can also connect "serial port" profile
20:05 < rud0lf> as /dev/rfcomm0
20:05  * collins connects rud0lf to a serial port 
20:05  * rud0lf sends Data Carrier Detect
20:05 < ssarah> ayecee, I tried that, but it still buffers on the second pipe
20:05 < R13ose> jim: after I did mount got error.  mount: /mnt/test: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mapper/ububtu--vg-root, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
20:06 < bls> heh, the holy grail of SPP implementations
20:06  * Psi-Jack taps into rud0lf's new serial connection and adds 2,000 volts. :)
20:06 < ssarah> ayecee, like so: tcpdump -l -i eth0 -q -n  | stdbuf -o0 cut -d' ' -f3 | cut -d'.' -f1-4
20:06  * rud0lf does a robot dance as his nose shines bright red
20:06 < Psi-Jack> lol
20:06 < jim> that's not rs232 levels...
20:07 < koala_man> ssarah: does strace confirm that it reads data at the proper rate, but still writes in blocks?
20:07 < ssarah> koala_man, I didnt do an strace
20:08 < jim> R13ose, could you show the mount command you used?
20:08 < R13ose> jim: I have to go into meeting in 2 to 3 mins.
20:08 < collins> ayecee: roar
20:08 < jim> oh ok... continue later?
20:09 < R13ose> jim: mount /dev/ubuntu-vg/root /mnt/test
20:09 < collins> so usb is technically a serial port?
20:09 < bls> collins: no?
20:09 < R13ose> jim: well we can continue but pinging me is good
20:10 < koala_man> collins: in the same sense that sata is a serial port, yes
20:10 < jim> R13ose, ok, in any case it looks like we found the problem... your root fs seems to be damaged
20:10 < R13ose> jim: how to fix?
20:10 < bls> maybe if you got rid of muxing so it was strictly PtP
20:10 < jim> you can try to run fsck on it
20:11 < R13ose> jim: give me full command please
20:11 < jim> what kind of filesystem is on it?
20:11 < jim> need to know that before I can give the command
20:12 < R13ose> jim: unsure. Ext4 maybe
20:12 < jim> ok, fsck -t ext4 /dev/ubuntu-vg/root
20:12 < R13ose> jim: wait can we check beforehand?
20:13 < collins> serial ports are a special "brand" of port rather than a class or type of ports.
20:13 < jim> if we can't mount it, we can't see the fstab
20:13 < jim> so, I'm not sure how
20:14 < jim> without options, it will only check it anyway
20:15 < jim> R13ose, let me ask you this question... is there stuff on the laptop's drive it would be a bad thing to lose?
20:15 < R13ose> jim: bbiab
20:15 < jim> ok
20:16 < darthrocker> Can anyone direct me to an unbiased site that rates vpn's?
20:17 < R13ose> jim: yes and no
20:18 < Psi-Jack> darthrocker: There's none.
20:18 < R13ose> jim: can you figure out how I know which filesystem that is?
20:19 < darthrocker> Ok,  thank you
20:20 < killown> when using nvidia proprietary driver my dual monitor setup turns off randomly and takes a lot of time to wake up again, everytime that happens I reboot, could this issue be related to archlinux which is too bleding edge and it's providing newest nvidia which probably is not stable?
20:24 < Brainspackle> arch is constantly breaking things
20:24 < Psi-Jack> What things?
20:24 < Brainspackle> all things
20:24 < Psi-Jack> I see nothing breaking.
20:24 < Brainspackle> lucky for youu
20:24 < Psi-Jack> It's... Not luck.
20:24 < Brainspackle> K
20:25 < hexnewbie> Brainspackle: If it breaks everything, can you give like one or two examples?
20:27 < Brainspackle> killown: as you can see, the fanboys will tell you otherwise.  But the reality is that Arch tries to move faster than it can really handle and introduces breakage all the time. They are usually quick to fix, but it's definitely one of the buggier, less-stable distros.  It's fine if you like to fiddle with things a lot
20:27 < jim> Brainspackle, so, what you're saying isn't a lot to go on... "everything" and "nothing" being ironically related...
20:27 < Psi-Jack> Brainspackle: Do what where when? I hate Arch. I just use it.
20:27 < linuxusr> hi, do unix socket stream act like tcp with the waiting after socket close timeout ?
20:28 < Psi-Jack> Oh, and I barely "fiddle with things". I mostly just use it.
20:28 < hexnewbie> Brainspackle: That's called a rolling release, it's nothing to do with Arch specifically breaking stuff more than other rolling releases.
20:28 < Brainspackle> Solus is a rolling release and I've never had a single issue with it
20:28 < linuxusr> i have a huge file descriptor leak i can't figure out where it's coming from...
20:28 < linuxusr> cause all i see are ?dead? unix sockets
20:29 < Brainspackle> but hey, i'm not trying to start any distro wars, just commenting on my experience with it.  YMMV
20:29 < Brainspackle> definitely don't think it's for a beginner, which OP seemed maybe to be
20:29 < jim> Brainspackle, still not a lot to go on :)  if you could supply some details, can you offer some details?
20:29 < jim> maybe we can actually, like, help you :)
20:29 < killown> Brainspackle, I will test linux mint today, I am done with archlinux and manjaro
20:30 < Brainspackle> i don't need help, thanks though
20:30 < Psi-Jack> He doesn't actually, like, want help. :)
20:30 < Brainspackle> you guys are over-reacting a bit :P
20:30 < fendur> what did you expect?
20:30 < jim> starting to look that way but let's not go to that place until we have to
20:30 < linuxusr> :/
20:30 < Psi-Jack> And Solus is versioned, so no, it's not really rolling release. :)
20:31 < linuxusr> any better channel for thsi discussion ?
20:31 < jim> Brainspackle, I'm not reacting at all yet... I have no idea of the actual problem you're experiencing because yuou're not really telling us
20:31 < killown> Psi-Jack, archlinux = lucky based on hardware, some hardware won't work well
20:31 < fendur> When say "I don't like thing" when the audience may well like the thing, you're going to get a response. Everyone knows you expected the response.
20:31 < Psi-Jack> killown: Simply untrue.
20:32 < Brainspackle> Psi-Jack: https://itsfoss.com/solus-becomes-rolling-release/
20:32 < Psi-Jack> And yet, it's still versioned.
20:32 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: UNIX sockets cannot be in TCP sockets in that regard, because TCP has no access to the remote kernel, whereas your local kernel tracks whether your programs have closed their ends of the Unix socket connection.
20:32 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: If you do have dangling file descriptors in your program, you didn't close them
20:32 < Brainspackle> Psi-Jack: yeah bro, versions can roll
20:32 < killown> Psi-Jack, well, then why nvidia driver is not working for me? because the version they are providing is too new and not stable
20:33 < jim> Brainspackle, as I said, haven't reacted yet, but I'
20:33 < jim> am about to :)
20:33 < linuxusr> hexnewbie: it's not my program... how can i see who used the other side of the socket ?
20:33 < jim> and also I normally don't react, I'd rather be proactive
20:34 < killown> Brainspackle, what distro are you using?
20:34 < Brainspackle> ok jim
20:34 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: Hm, not sure. I do grep for the number that's visible in lsof's output (not sure which column), but I don't have a real recollection if that ever worked
20:35 < Brainspackle> killown: solus
20:35 < jim> Brainspackle, also you don't have to worry about having us react to things that would cause a distro war, our population here isnt very reactive :)
20:35 < linuxusr> hexnewbie: it does not :(
20:35  * Psi-Jack becomes nuclear.
20:35 < Brainspackle> jim: Psi-Jack must be the exception then
20:36 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: Hm, maybe the files in /proc/*/fd/ and /proc/*/fdinfo/ could help, but I haven't done this particular kind of investigation
20:36 < Brainspackle> I won't let his arrogance get to me anymore
20:36 < Brainspackle> probably best if i just /ignore him
20:36 < jim> I use that nu-clear stuff on my acrylic floor
20:36 < linuxusr> hexnewbie: those files just show me the same socket id
20:36 < linuxusr> dont have fdinfo on centos 7
20:37 < jim> and I'm just glowing to tell ya about it :)
20:38 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: If you stat the socket file in /proc/$pid/fd/$fd, maybe you could use the inode number to cross-reference with the open files of other programs?
20:38 < linuxusr> hexnewbie: could be... was hoping for more advanced debug tools for this :(
20:38 < fendur> Brainspackle: ++
20:38 < jim> Brainspackle, truthfully, you haven't given Psi-Jack much to go on in the way of informative details either
20:39 < Psi-Jack> Like, no details, at all.
20:39 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: Hm, does "ss" display the socket?
20:39 < jim> yeah I know
20:39 < killown> Psi-Jack, I use archlinux since 2004, I used to like it because my first distro in 1998 was slackware, I had my time like you were archlinux used to work for 3 years without any issue and I was like you saying archlinux "works for me" but now it reached the time were "archlinux doesn't work for me" someday you will face this destiny too
20:39 < Psi-Jack> But, somehow I'm arrogant because of that.
20:39 < Brainspackle> I wasn't looking for help, I was answering somebody elses question, i ya'll are glitching out
20:40 < linuxusr> hexnewbie: i think it did (it's @ work), but it did not provide additional helpfull information as to who is using it
20:40 < jim> Brainspackle, we usually pick up on problem descriptions as something to solve :)
20:40 < fendur> Brainspackle: fwiw, it wasn't clear at all to me that you were responding to someone with that comment. That's why I commented how I did. Who were you responding to?
20:40 < Brainspackle> killown - why are you all so concerned? can we just like, drop it?
20:40 < hexnewbie> linuxusr: Doesn't it show all processes having ESTABLISHED connection to that socket?
20:41 < linuxusr> iirc no...
20:41 < fendur> Brainspackle: just asking. I'm not judging you.
20:41 < Psi-Jack> killown: I've used Arch off an on over the years. As a server, as a desktop. Every time I ended up ditching it.
20:41 < fendur> Brainspackle: also just admitting my own mistake.
20:42 < jim> Brainspackle. ot
20:42 < jim> err
20:42 < Psi-Jack> killown: I for one, won't recommend Arch to others. I use it for my own purposes and catered it to my specific interests. Something Arch made easier than other distros, my XFCE+i3 desktop environment blend. :)
20:43 < Brainspackle> killown: Manjaro seems to be pretty popular, it's based on Arch but a bit more user friendly it seems.  Never used it myself but people seem to like it
20:43 < Psi-Jack> Bleh, Manjaro Now that's one I will never use again.
20:43  * aBound says VSCode is coolio :P
20:43 < Psi-Jack> aBound: But, Electron!
20:43 < Boobuigi> Psi-Jack: Something was wrong with it?
20:43 < jim> it's becoming clear that every time someone says something to you, you respond with some hostility and defensiveness...
20:43 < Psi-Jack> Boobuigi: Oh, many things.
20:43 < triceratux> killown: if you can install arch & you can tolerate running mx-17 you can run siduction 18.3.0. theres nothing mysterious about spinning a presentable xfce liveiso of debian unstable. you dont have to be canonical or something
20:43 < killown> Psi-Jack I am just using archlinux because I like pacman and hate apt, but now I will try ubuntu based distros again :/
20:43 < Brainspackle> i thought vscode was cool until my ansible plugins stopped working without good reason
20:43 < Essadon> I would appropriate help with a find command. I would like to rm -rf all folders in subfolders in a particular folder at /path/, BUT NOT FILES IN THE SUBFOLDERS. So I would want to do rm -rf /path/folder1/* /path/folder2/* /path/folder3/* except I want to exclude any files.
20:44 < killown> Brainspackle, manjaro is worse than archlinux
20:44 < aBound> Psi-Jack, Indeed Electron but compare the differences with Atom's performance over VSCode. Either Microsoft has some talented developers or GitHub just lacks the talent.
20:44 < Psi-Jack> Boobuigi: They are a much smaller fork of Arch, working partially off the Arch git repos but specifically holding back many updates, including security updates.
20:44 < killown> manjaro is the most unstable distro ever
20:44 < killown> *for me*
20:44 < Brainspackle> bumumer
20:44 < Psi-Jack> aBound: I heard that newer versions of Atom are getting better. I have yet to find out.
20:44 < Boobuigi> killown: So program crash?
20:44 < killown> Boobuigi, system won't boot after pacman -Syu
20:44 < killown> nvidia random freezes
20:45 < jim> ok. earlier you claimed you werent trying to start a distro war... has that changed?
20:45 < aBound> Psi-Jack, I haven't tried Atom's newer versions but I see the file size being 100MBs to that of VSCode being around 14-15MBs.
20:45 < aBound> That's a huge difference. :P
20:45 < Psi-Jack> Boobuigi: For example, their custom configured KDE setup is one of the worst I've seen. Unstable as heck.
20:45 < aBound> Psi-Jack, Oops about 45MBs my mistake.
20:45 < aBound> :D
20:45 < Psi-Jack> aBound: Yeah. I've been using vscode a lot lately. I have 4 open now in fact.
20:45 < Boobuigi> killown, Psi-Jack: Ahh, that sort of business.  Too bad.  I guess I should stop mentioning it as a newbie-friendly distro.
20:45 < Brainspackle> aBound: but this day in age, does that sort of difference really matter? :)
20:45 < aBound> I'm surprised, on how they compacted Electron.
20:45 < killown> Boobuigi if you never change any conf and just use system for browsing, why pacman -Syu should break everything?
20:45 < Psi-Jack> Boobuigi: I wouldn't recommend any arch-based, or arch itself, as "newbie friendly" ever.
20:46 < Psi-Jack> It simply is not.
20:46 < aBound> Brainspackle, Atom's performance takes longer to load even on a fast machine over VSCode.
20:46 < aBound> VSCode seems easier to use as well (in my opinion).
20:46 < Psi-Jack> 40 seconds to load Atom up. 2 seconds to load vscode.
20:46 < GrayShade> Psi-Jack: ymmv. I've had better experiences with Arch than e.g. Ubuntu
20:46 < GrayShade> things like unbootable system after update
20:47 < Psi-Jack> GrayShade: Well.. Ubuntu. Nuff said.
20:47 < GrayShade> it's supposed to be user-friendly :)
20:47  * aBound uses Ubuntu :P
20:47  * solidfox uses ubuntu
20:47 < Psi-Jack> Yet has never had an upgrade path that didn't require extensive documentation on HOW to do it.
20:47 < phogg> GrayShade: that's the *intention*. The extent to which it succeeds is up for debate.
20:48 < GrayShade> just try a couple of distros and stick with one
20:48 < GrayShade> I kind of hate apt/dpkg, so..
20:48 < solidfox> I know it has a bad reputation for upgrades. I normally upgrade by downloading a new cd lately
20:48 < aBound> As much as I've used Linux distros upgrades tend to fail often over a fresh install.
20:48 < Psi-Jack> Debian. apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && reboot, apt-get autoremove
20:48  * triceratux is running lubuntu 18.10 lxqt
20:48 < Psi-Jack> Done. :)
20:48  * ssarah uses Xubuntu
20:48 < aBound> Conflicting packages.
20:48 < phogg> GrayShade: but contrasting it to Arch, where the intention is to be unstable, is no comparison. Arch *may* be stable, but it doesn't try.
20:48 < Psi-Jack> Ubuntu.... Way more painful process, differs between every single version.
20:48 < ilya_b> Hello :)
20:48 < phogg> Psi-Jack: what, really? Why can't you just use apt-get like on Debian?
20:48 < solidfox> although I've had good luck with a regular dist upgrade in the past, I switch distros often, and then when I need to upgrade ubuntu, I am actually not on ubuntu anymore
20:48 < jim> hi
20:48 < GrayShade> phogg: sure, and if you're running Arch, you'd better be prepared to fix stuff. I didn't have issues, but others might
20:49 < solidfox> so need to reinstall
20:49 < Psi-Jack> phogg: Because Ubuntu does stupid things?
20:49 < GrayShade> hence the ymmv part
20:49 < qrvpzvb> why docker?
20:49 < Psi-Jack> GrayShade: I mean, I've had issues.
20:49 < ilya_b> Has anyone ever had experience getting Android's touch buttons (a.k.a "back-home-recent") to work on Linux?
20:49 < GrayShade> fair enough :)
20:49 < solidfox> GrayShade, use gentoo instead of Arch though. It has great docs and no AUR
20:49 < phogg> Psi-Jack: Well true. I managed once to completely hose an ubuntu system to the point where repairing it was not worthwhile by doing nothing more than using apt.
20:49 < phogg> GrayShade: indeed
20:49 < GrayShade> solidfox: I went through that phase in another life :)
20:49 < Psi-Jack> GrayShade: The vlc upgrade (despite that I don't use vlc, but had it installed), broken by a package that it depended on. The recent libjs I think it was.
20:50 < killown> solidfox gentoo just works, maybe the best distro nowadays but requires a lot of work to setup and compile
20:50 < Psi-Jack> I have nightly borgbackup backups, so whatever happends, I can always restore my system to a functional state.
20:50 < solidfox> killown, mostly just requires time
20:50 < solidfox> killown, unless you have a screaming fast pc
20:50 < jim> ilya_b, I've never tried... when you say linux on your android device, do you mean something other than the android os?
20:50 < ssarah> killown, I like being able to screw my system fearlessly and knowing i can format it again in 10 minutes
20:50 < aBound> Psi-Jack, Heck if I can get VSCode to have similar features or behave like Pycharm I probably wouldn't need that IDE. The vim plugin tends to work better over ideavim.
20:51 < ssarah> ubuntu <3
20:51 < qrvpzvb> I still wouldn't want to compile a browser myself
20:51 < ilya_b> jim: yeah, Plasma Mobile / Debian here
20:51  * aBound Ubuntu <3 too :P
20:51 < Psi-Jack> I tried the vim mode of vscode. Couldn't stand it.
20:51 < phogg> Psi-Jack: in the end Debian is good only insofar as its policy is good and its procedures are followed. This takes the kind of weight of culture which is hard to replicate elsewhere.
20:51 < hexnewbie> qrvpzvb: I let my compiler do it ;)
20:51 < Psi-Jack> Only vim does vim mode right.
20:51 < jim> you put debian on your phone? cool :)
20:51 < aBound> Missing those native features I'd figure.
20:51 < phogg> Psi-Jack: I feel the same about emacs mode anywhere but emacs.
20:51 < Psi-Jack> phogg: Yeah.
20:51 < killown> ssarah, i3, kernel, xorg should take less than 24 hours in a fx6300 processor (six cores)?
20:51 < aBound> Be it vimscript and the likes.
20:52 < phogg> jim: Debian on a phone? Someone mentioned the nokia n9?
20:52 < Psi-Jack> phogg: Spacemacs. Emacs finally has a decent text editor, with vim integrated. :)
20:52 < killown> solidfox*
20:52  * Psi-Jack ducks.
20:52 < phogg> Psi-Jack: Eww, no.
20:52 < Psi-Jack> LOL
20:52 < aBound> Neovim with Oni. :P
20:52 < aBound> https://github.com/onivim/oni
20:52 < qrvpzvb> why docker though?
20:52 < Psi-Jack> phogg: But... emacsos lacks the one more fundamental tool needed in an OS. A Decent text editor. LOL
20:52 < twainwek> isn't spacemacs just emacs with different default configs?
20:53 < Psi-Jack> twainwek: No.
20:53 < Psi-Jack> It's Emacs+Vim integrated together.
20:53 < Essadon> I would appropriate help with a find command. I would like to rm -rf all folders in subfolders in a particular folder at /path/, BUT NOT FILES IN THE SUBFOLDERS. So I would want to do rm -rf /path/folder1/* /path/folder2/* /path/folder3/* except I want to exclude any files.
20:53 < twainwek> you mean evil mode is built in?
20:53 < twainwek> aka different default configs?
20:53 < phogg> Psi-Jack: What emacs lacks is a modern rendering engine. They've stretched the "everything is a terminal" model far beyond all levels of sanity.
20:53 < ssarah> https://github.com/slap-editor/slap <- i wana try this one
20:53 < ssarah> ide i mea
20:53 < aBound> But, but Emacs requires a GUI. :P
20:53 < ssarah> n
20:54 < Psi-Jack> Bah, I need coffee.. Now that I'm home and no longer being sucked dry by vampires. ;)
20:54 < longxia> Essadon: by "appropriate" you probably meant "appreciate", i assume. Anyway, look into a combination of using find with the -type d option and rmdir. I also assume you only want to remove empty dirs. For the rest, see man find.
20:54 < dongbag> Hi, does anyone know about the SPI framework?
20:54 < Essadon> longxia: Nope, the content too
20:54 < fendur> Essadon: what should be done with the files in the subfolders?
20:55 < longxia> Essadon: by "appropriate" you probably meant "appreciate", i assume. Anyway, look into a combination of using find with the -type d option and rmdir. I also assume you only want to remove only empty dirs. For the rest, see man find.
20:55 < phogg> Essadon: it's easy if you have GNU find
20:55 < longxia> Essadon: sorry, slip of hand
20:56 < phogg> Essadon: find /path/ -maxdepth 1 -type d # see if this matches the rirs you want to delete
20:56 < Essadon> fendur: I have a folder with subfolders. The subfolders contain one file and some subsubfolders. I want to delete those subsubfolders and their content
20:56 < longxia> Essadon: you need to specify where the files need to go. You can't just rip the subdirs from underneath them.
20:56 < dongbag> does anyone know where the kernal linux freenode thing is called?
20:56 < dongbag> what*
20:56 < phogg> Essadon: if not try: find /path/* -maxdepth 1 -type d # I could not tell exactly what you meant
20:56 < fendur> Essadon: ah. that's clearer
20:58 < fendur> longxia: see Essadon's response to me.
20:58 < phogg> Essadon: find /folder/*/* -type d -maxdepth 1 # also try this. It will find subfolders of subfolders in /folder/
20:58 < fendur> I don't know the answer, but that's a clearer question
20:58 < phogg> Essadon: if that matches what you want just add -delete to remove it all
20:58 < Essadon> phogg: Folder a contains folders aa, ab, ac, ad, .... Folder aa contains one file and folders aaa, aab, aac... I want to delete the deepest folders and their content leaving everything else intact
20:58 < Psi-Jack> Wow. Atom took ~5 seconds to actually load.
20:58 < twainwek> dongbag: #linux-kernel maybe?
20:58 < longxia> fendur: yes, much clearer now
20:58 < phogg> Essadon: "deepest" is hard, fixed 3rd level is easy
20:59 < Psi-Jack> aBound: There is one thing I really like about vscode though. Lack of "project" specific crap that makes no sense.
20:59 < dongbag> bit empyt
20:59 < qrvpzvb> yup, atom is pretty snappy nowadays
20:59 < aBound> Psi-Jack, Aha did you just install Atom?
20:59 < Psi-Jack> I did.
20:59 < killown> triceratux sorry, debian unstable is more stable than archlinux?
20:59 < Essadon> Well, there are only three layers phogg
20:59 < aBound> Psi-Jack, I haven't touched much on vscode but they do have documentation I'd have to read.
20:59 < phogg> Essadon: if you really need to do a depth search and delete the deepest dir you'll need a small amount of scripting.
20:59 < Psi-Jack> code . -- All you'll ever need.
20:59 < phogg> Essadon: then that's fine. Try my last find command and see if it prints what you expect to want to delete
20:59 < aBound> Teehee.
21:00 < Essadon> In this case its only three layers¨
21:00 < Psi-Jack> Just gimme this tree!
21:00 < aBound> User snippets always helps.
21:00 < aBound> The faster you can code, the better time spent.
21:00 < phogg> Essadon: do you expect to have other cases?
21:00 < Psi-Jack> Though now atom supports opening .
21:00 < Essadon> phogg: I don't know how many layers
21:00 < triceratux> killown: well its no more unstable
21:00 < aBound> Opening the dot files oh noes... :P
21:00 < phogg> Essadon: Eh? I thought you said only three?
21:01 < Essadon> But there will always be "an equal" depth in all folders
21:01 < Essadon> Yeah, in this case
21:01 < aBound> I do like Pycharm's community edition though as well.
21:01 < killown> triceratux, I need firefox 60 and latest chromium stable version, can I have this in debian testing?
21:01 < phogg> Essadon: for the general case you're back to needing a more complicated script
21:01 < phogg> killown: Check backports
21:01 < Essadon> But generally I'm expecting three, four, five, etc layers
21:02 < phogg> killown: worst case scenario you can run upstream's tarball releases; of course you're then responsible for uninstall steps and checking for updates yourself
21:02 < Essadon> But all trees have the same "depth" so to speak. No path will have 5 layers if an other path only has 3
21:03 < aBound> I'm off, swoosh... :P
21:03 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm, definitely Atom's gotten pretty fast.
21:03 < phogg> Essadon: that does not help make the code any easier
21:03 < qrvpzvb> I mean, they've written several parts in C++
21:03 < phogg> Essadon: did the solution I gave you work for this case?
21:04 < Essadon> phogg: The command still runs
21:04 < phogg> Essadon: how many dirs/files are you dealing with here?
21:04 < qrvpzvb> and I recall seeing a new projects that's the future of Atom
21:04 < Essadon> It's about 50 GB of data
21:04 < qrvpzvb> in Rust
21:04 < phogg> Essadon: if it's a very large number then the command will not finish because the glob will expand into too many things
21:05 < Essadon> removing those folders will reduce it to a few MB of data
21:05 < killown> phogg, anyway, I will try linux mint first, thank you
21:05 < phogg> Essadon: if it's that big you should definitely write a script for this (and for performance do not use bash)
21:07 < qrvpzvb> what do you run in your servers?
21:07 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm, memory with vscode + extensions installed is slightly higher RSS than Atom with /no/ extensions installed.
21:07 < SuperSeriousCat> Essadon, will "rm */*/*/*/* && rm -d */*/*/*" may work
21:07 < dongbag> is there anthing wrong w/ defining a SPI driver as a char device?
21:08 < phogg> SuperSeriousCat: the find case is better than that, besides he has so many files I doubt the globbing will expand to something under the arg max
21:08 < SuperSeriousCat> First wildcare remove all files in last folder(since its fixed), and last rm -d to remove only empty dirs
21:08 < SuperSeriousCat> wildcard*
21:09 < Psi-Jack> SuperSeriousCat: You're... not as serious as your nick claims.
21:09 < phogg> SuperSeriousCat: yes, but the intermediate dirs are so many that the final file glob will match potentially many thousands of files.
21:09 < SuperSeriousCat> No idea how many files it is
21:09 < djph> ew
21:10 < djph> what kind of insanity generated that many files !?
21:10 < qrvpzvb> find+sed is the sollution, always
21:10 < phogg> SuperSeriousCat: according to him it's 50G of files but, more to the point, he started running a find command to list the dirs and after 6 minutes it was still running
21:10 < djph> sweet jesus
21:10 < phogg> SuperSeriousCat: this suggests that it's quite a few
21:10 < triceratux> killown: ff60 is on the siduction iso https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=siduction
21:10 < phogg> djph: oh, lots of things can do that. Logging without rotation is one
21:10 < Psi-Jack> Essadon: What actual problem are you trying to solve here?
21:11 < djph> phogg: hm, when I log without rotation, I just end up with a small number of very large files :|
21:11 < phogg> I was dealing with one case today at work where someone forgot to enable archiving of files being fetched every 15 minutes... for 4 years. The file count in that dir was very high. And then someone tried to process it.
21:11 < phantomcircuit> brctl cannot add a wireless interface, but hostapd somehow does
21:12 < phantomcircuit> any ideas
21:12 < phogg> djph: not if you timestamp or log file names
21:12 < phogg> ever seen a directory that's 157MiB in size?
21:12 < phogg> i've seen worse, but that was today
21:12 < djph> phogg: oh, you mean per-run logs, not ...
21:12 < phogg> djph: yeah
21:13 < qrvpzvb> like, the inode?
21:13 < phogg> qrvpzvb: like ls -lhd . and look at the reported size. That size
21:13 < phogg> I should have noted the link count, too.
21:14 < killown> triceratux, my internet is not good and I am already downloading linux mint, I will try it later if mint doesn't work well
21:15 < phogg> It wasn't a big problem until someone tried to scan that dir and make a file list in memory (and then because it was taking so long did it again, and again, and...)
21:15 < n-iCe> hi triceratux
21:18 < ayjay_t> rofl why is xbindkeys running 10000 times
21:18 < phogg> ayjay_t: you have it configured to start with a session but never kill it?
21:19 < ayjay_t> i'm thinking i might be messing something up with tmux but... i don't know what
21:20 < ayjay_t> i have a pretty wicked complicated bashrc
21:21 < phogg> ayjay_t: pastebin if you want me to check it
21:21 < qrvpzvb> pff, who uses bash nowadays
21:21 < qrvpzvb> zsh all the way!
21:21 < ayjay_t> phogg you can take a looksy but its wicked complicated
21:22 < jim> qrvpzvb, please don't bash bash
21:22 < qrvpzvb> heh
21:22 < ayjay_t> phogg pm'ed
21:23 < ayjay_t> oh gosh there are subscripts too
21:23 < qrvpzvb> so, serious question, how do you run your servers?
21:24 < qrvpzvb> your home servers
21:24 < rypervenche> qrvpzvb: With Linux. ~_^
21:25 < qrvpzvb> "traditional" linux
21:25 < qrvpzvb> or "new hip" linux (docker, etc)?
21:25 < triceratux> killown: sounds like youll do fine. if mint gets boring i like extix, swagarch, & voyager http://www.extix.se/?p=393 https://swagarch.github.io/ https://voyagerlive.org/
21:26 < phogg> ayjay_t: I would not call it complicated, just longer than average. I also don't see xbindkeys
21:26 < ayjay_t> yeah! it's not.. i don't think its called there..
21:26 < ayjay_t> omg wait
21:26 < ayjay_t> okay so i'm guessing... how often should i call xbindkeys?
21:26 < phogg> ayjay_t: you are also doing a lot of ill-advised things. Mostly the use of `` but also expanding variables without double quoting them, and several places where your string munging is inefficient.
21:26 < phogg> ayjay_t: once when X starts
21:27 < ayjay_t> phogg: i already consider bash a guilty pleasure
21:27 < ayjay_t> more guilt than pleasure
21:27 < phogg> ayjay_t: e.g this: $(echo "$i" 2>&1 | grep -E ...) there is no need to redirect stderr, echo will not ever write to stderr
21:28 < phogg> ayjay_t: and you can just do grep -E 'pattern' <<<"$i" to get the same effect without a pipe for a subshell
21:29 < ayjay_t> interesting
21:29 < ayjay_t> thanks for the tips
21:29 < ayjay_t> this is probably my first big exercise in bash, i'm just trying to automate some things i'm supposed to check everyday and remind myself to commit my changes to my repos and stuff
21:29 < phogg> ayjay_t: try this function for starting xbindkeys only once: start-xbindkeys () { if ! ps -C xbindkeys >/dev/null ; then xbindkeys ; fi ; }
21:30 < ayjay_t> what about xinitrc?
21:30 < phogg> ayjay_t: I've seen worse. A *lot* worse.
21:30 < phogg> ayjay_t: that should work if you prefer
21:30 < qrvpzvb> what DE are you using though?
21:30 < phogg> ayjay_t: are you familiar with shellcheck?
21:30 < ayjay_t> i3
21:30 < ayjay_t> nope
21:30 < qrvpzvb> do you use a DM?
21:31 < phogg> ayjay_t: You'd probably like it. It's always less aggravating when software complains at you than when a human does it: shellcheck.net
21:31 < phogg> ayjay_t: you can also install it as a local command line tool
21:31 < phogg> ayjay_t: this looks for the kinds of problems in bash scripts which are not necessarily obvious but which are nevertheless important and tells you about each one.
21:32 < R13ose> jim: I am back
21:32 < ayjay_t> thanks phogg
21:32 < phogg> ayjay_t: I really, really wish it had existed when I was learning shell. It's so good it's practically cheating.
21:33 < ayjay_t> am i going to be able to use the column command to output two commands into a column each?
21:33 < phogg> ayjay_t: that's not exactly what it does
21:33 < ayjay_t> oyeah i'm getting that sense
21:33 < bls> it probably could, but for the complication, why bother?
21:35 < ayjay_t> yeah i mean, i just have to longboys that i wanna put side by side
21:35 < ayjay_t> two*
21:35 < ayjay_t> imagine `tree .; tree ../other;`
21:36 < R13ose> jim: feel this is ext2 or LVM2
21:37 < bls> paste <(tree) <(tree ../other) | column -s\t -t
21:37 < ayjay_t> ooh puppy
21:37 < bls> as a quick, dirty hack
21:37 < ayjay_t> bye bye term colors
21:38 < ayjay_t> lol perm denied
21:39 < ayjay_t> yeah that <() isn't happy
21:39 < ayjay_t> what even is that?
21:39 < qrvpzvb> it's like $() (or ``) but it writes the output to a temp file and gives that as the argument
21:40 < ayjay_t> WUT THAT IS AMAZING
21:40 < bls> it's a bashism for "run this command, but make its output look like a file to the command in front"
21:40 < ayjay_t> but you can <() to... to nothing and then pipe it?
21:40 < qrvpzvb> yes, that's a better description
21:40 < bls> <() to nothing is pointless, just drop the <()
21:41 < qrvpzvb> not all commands read the stdin like that, that's where <() is useful
21:42 < bls> right, it saves you from having to: f=$(mktemp);rm $f;mkfifo $f;cmd1 >$f & cmd2 $f;rm $f
21:42 < R13ose> jim: here is the error when I did fsck: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BvyTsntrps/
21:42 < bls> which is full of potential race conditions
21:46 < Dagmar> That's why you make a secure tmpdir and create the fifo inside that
21:48 < R13ose> jim: fsck output: https://imgur.com/a/TRLvG8A
21:48 < bls> true, set TMPDIR to something reasonable and don't really think about the multiuser thing with it anymore
21:48 < bls> but there's still theoretical races if it's something that's going to be run a lot concurrently
21:49 < ayjay_t> ugh so close with this column hack but i need to delimit it properly so each command gets its own column
21:54 < xamithan> This is going to be a common question but what are the best extras for xfce ?
21:54 < xamithan> I know i'll need some battery indicator and whiskermenu, but not sure what else
21:55 < Psi-Jack> xamithan: "best" is a matter of one's own personal opinions.
21:55 < ayjay_t> yeah but you know, #xfce might be super opinionated about it
21:55 < phantomcircuit> dhcrelay refuses to forward requests which are received on an interface that isn't assigned an ip
21:55 < Psi-Jack> Best to just, try lots, and decide.
21:55 < phantomcircuit> but it's not assigned an ip because it's part of a bridge, which is assigned an ip
21:55 < xamithan> Ok,  is there a list anywhere psi-jack ?
21:55 < Psi-Jack> xamithan: Search your package manager?
21:55 < xamithan> That is too big of a list
21:56 < Psi-Jack> filter to xfce related stuff.
21:56 < Sveta> xamithan: look for 'xfce goodies' on the web, they have a list on their wiki
21:57 < Dagmar> phantomcircuit: Then you'll need to have it listen on the bridge interface
21:57 < Sveta> xamithan: i agree linux distributions are terrible at making you aware which desktop apps are designed for
21:57 < xamithan> This looks like what I need,  thanks sveta
21:57 < haks> what is the best linux distro for gaming - work , everything
21:57 < phantomcircuit> Dagmar, it is though
21:58 < phantomcircuit> oh i see what's happening
21:58 < Sveta> xamithan: you're welcome :-) if you want to write an aptitude frontend that shows users what desktop a package is for (i think this is in package metadata already) let me know
21:58 < phantomcircuit> it's getting it on both, rejecting it on one of them and then forwarding on the other
21:58 < ayjay_t> haks: the one with the most active community will be the best maintained, if that helps
21:58 < Dagmar> s/active/skilled/
21:59 < ayjay_t> MAYBE
21:59 < ayjay_t> their might not be a difference
21:59 < bls> haks: see what steam supports, those will be your best bet
22:00 < ayjay_t> hmm i don't think this column hack will work because both commands don't have the same number of rows :-(
22:00 < haks> bls , ayjay_t , give me linux lists
22:01 < ayjay_t> distrowatch.com i think
22:02 < bls> or check steam's site
22:04 < phinxy> Are device special files directories or files?
22:04 < bls> files
22:07 < haks> bls , i want a disto can use for gaming - programming , hacking , everything
22:07 < haks> what do you prefer
22:08 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm, Programming /AND/ hacking?
22:08 < Psi-Jack> They're one in the same. Why do you differentiate between them as if they're not?
22:09 < bls> a distro isn't going to decide what you can and can't do with your computer
22:09 < bls> it's just a way to package up and release software. that software is what's going to decide those things
22:09 < phogg> haks: get any general-purpose distribution and you can use it for any purpose. That's why it's called general purpose.
22:09 < quul> get one that doesn't split up -dev packages
22:09 < phogg> phinxy: everything is a file (including a directory)
22:10 < bls> unless you like that, then get one that does
22:10 < phogg> quul: splitting up -dev packages is a better idea
22:10 < quul> theres no reason to like that
22:10 < quul> as a programmer
22:10 < phogg> modularity is a good thing
22:10 < quul> it's not a good thing when your internet goes out
22:10 < quul> and you need a header file
22:11 < Psi-Jack> So, don't get bad internet.
22:11 < ayjay_t> thanks for your help everyone
22:11 < quul> or just stop splitting up packages to save a dozen KB
22:11 < quul> :^)
22:11 < bls> it's not just about saving space
22:11 < Psi-Jack> KB? That ends up being MB, many times over.
22:11 < quul> yeah for something like boost
22:12 < phogg> quul: just get used to saying apt-get install package{,-dev} and you'll be fine
22:12 < quul> why the f does it use 137 MB in /usr/include
22:12 < phogg> quul: it's doing a lot of work
22:12 < Psi-Jack> Because, static .la/.a libraries are usually one thing left in -dev./
22:12 < bls> anything that increases system complexity or attack surface should be examined for its necessity. excluding things isn't always the right or desirable call, but allowing people to make it is nice
22:13 < quul> who puts .a's in /usr/include !?
22:13 < vlt> Hello. I have a USB webcam connected to one machine and it appears as /dev/video0 and can be used by something like "cheese".  How can I transfer this /dev/video0 to another machine (in LAN)? I want to use it there as if it was a local /dev/video0. Any idea?
22:13 < phogg> quul: beats me
22:13 < Psi-Jack> Ooh, someone wants a beating? ;D
22:13 < Psi-Jack> hehe
22:14 < phogg> vlt: no way that I know of. You'd need support at the kernel level on the remote machine to proxy v4l calls
22:14 < phogg> vlt: what are you doing that requires this? You can likely work around it if you change how you think about the problem
22:15 < Psi-Jack> Like, network streaming, instead of trying to access the device node directly.
22:15 < phogg> or capture the video to a file and then read that file over nfs
22:15 < Psi-Jack> Or... Network streaming, where you don't have to maintain a consistent file. :)
22:16 < phogg> Psi-Jack: it's a better solution, but it's possible he already has the access side oriented around a file API
22:16 < phogg> do something to get the video data to be local, then act on it locally
22:16 < Psi-Jack> Possible. I'd hope not.
22:18 < vlt> phogg: I have an i686 machine locally. The one with the webcam. I have to arrange a skype call (video only). Skype doesn't seem to run on i686, so I have a second (virtual) machine I would (try to) run the skype software on which would need access to the other machine's /dev/video0.
22:18 < vlt> Psi-Jack: ^
22:19 < Psi-Jack> Toss the old paperweight, upgrade to something modern.
22:19 < Psi-Jack> Heck, you could get an Intel NUC that's better and more energy efficient as well. :)
22:19 < vlt> Psi-Jack: Not until I need to Skype call to work.
22:19 < Boobuigi> vlt: You might want to look into xpra.  I hear it can forward webcam feeds to remote X servers.  https://xpra.org/trac/wiki/Webcam
22:19 < noway96> so I accidentally deleted my partition table in its entirety. Is there a way to recreate it?
22:20 < phogg> vlt: the VM runs on the same system?
22:20 < quul> it does a lot of work like generate huge unreadable preprocessed files like /usr/include/boost/phoenix/core/detail/cpp03/preprocessed/actor_operator_50.hpp   no wonder it took nine years to compile
22:20 < bls> restore it from backup
22:20 < vlt> phogg: No. The VM runs on a server with lots of other stuff.
22:20 < phogg> vlt: Boobuigi's solution seems like a nice fit
22:21 < vlt> Boobuigi: But will the Skype software be able to use the xpra stream?
22:21 < Psi-Jack> No.
22:21 < noway96> otherwise I'm thinking of just installing my OS on a different hard drive, mounting it on my current machine by hotplugging it, and then copying the rootfs over to that machine.
22:21 < noway96> thoughts?
22:21 < bls> I can't imagine the video sync to be very usable on such a thing
22:21 < noway96> not rootfs, root directory, i.e. /
22:21 < Boobuigi> vlt: No idea.
22:22 < phanner98> hi chat
22:22 < phogg> Boobuigi: yes, it should. This looks like what I was calling a 'v4l proxy' above
22:22 < collins> bls: trumphets, boxes and skateboards
22:22 < collins> phanner98: hi user
22:22 < phogg> it makes a video device on the server which is in fact video sources from a webcam on another system
22:23 < vlt> phogg: Sounds indeed exactly like what I was looking for.
22:23 < vlt> Boobuigi: I'll try that. Thanks!
22:24 < phogg> vlt: it looks like the setup process could be somewhat involved. Good luck.
22:24 < Boobuigi> vlt: IRC channel is #winswitch.
22:25 < R13ose> I am getting this error when I use the command exit in busybox, when loaded at bootup of Ubuntu.  Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/vORei7s How do I fix this?
22:28 < blocky> anybody play counter strike go? my framerate is anywhere between 7 - 300 fps depending on how intense the gameplay is, wondering if there's anything i can do to make it more consistent
22:29 < quul> blocky: did you reduce down your graphics quality settings?
22:30 < blocky> right now i'm playing with fairly high settings, although v-sync is off, at 1080p
22:30 < blocky> it's a decent machine with a recent dedicated gpu so i'm not sure that raw power is the issue
22:30 < blocky> most of the time i get 200+ fps, only drops occasionally
22:31 < quul> when it drops alt-tab out and open up top to see if anything else is killing your cpu
22:47 < Exagone313> Hi, I want to try to use a low end computer to "seemlessly" open a graphical session to a server on the same network.  There are three problems: 1) how do I open that session? (I can run graphical apps using SSH or VNC, but I want to use a display manager, that would use SSH as well)  2) what about sound? (need to be forwarded, I know that pulseaudio can work as client-server)  3) what about usb drives? (I'd like to synchronize the files over networking
22:48 < Exagone313> (nfs?), but if it's too slow it could be connected physically on the server)  Thanks for helping me with these questions!
22:50 < Exagone313> I'm also wondering, if I open a session via SSH like that, can it uses video acceleration using the gpu on that server?
22:52 < bls> you're talking about a thin client, and while those things are possible, unless you're doing this on a large scale, aren't really worth the effort
22:52 < aib> my ssh-agent seems to have died, yet my desktop session and thus all graphical terminals opened inherit the original env with PID and SOCK of the dead agent. how can I fix this without loggign out?
23:04 < Exagone313> bls: I like to try things
23:06 < majuk> Hi all. Working with Ubuntu Xenial [16.04] on an iMx6 board. My issue is I am trying to get apt to pull down packages, but it can't find any armhf packages on the mirrors. https://paste.linux.community/view/acc16db5
23:07 < majuk> pull down package *list [apt-get update]
23:07 < majuk> Any questions or comments apprecaited.
23:09 < majuk> Here is my /etc/apt/sources.list https://paste.linux.community/view/dba389bb
23:11 < majuk> Either my IRC client is throwing a fit or this is the quietest I've ever seen ##linux
23:11 < Psi-Jack> It's the latter.
23:12 < majuk> Psi-Jack: Thanks for confirming. :D
23:12  * Psi-Jack knew ahead of time that you were thinking that and was going to say so.
23:14 < Psi-Jack> Muauhahahaha... Now I have another automated solution for lets encrypt certificates. :D
23:14 < Psi-Jack> Distributing them from a central server to other servers anyway.
23:14 < dRealm> man drmaid
23:14 < compdoc> that makes 26 so far?
23:15 < Psi-Jack> 2, actually. LOL
23:15 < meingtsla> majuk: If you go to http://archive.ubuntu.com and browse the directory structure there, you'll find there are no directories for that particular arch.  http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports, on the other hand, does.  Hope this provides a hint.
23:15 < Psi-Jack> Likely going to re-write my acme-tool to have pluggable methods. S3 being one, Vault being another.
23:15 < majuk> meingtsla: Ah! Ok, I will take a shot at that. Thanks for your input.
23:19 < majuk> meingtsla: Yea, that got me going. Thanks again for the pointer.
23:22 < royal_screwup21> what is the significance of blank line when I send a curl request to google? https://thepasteb.in/p/GZhWPYQEpQLtV
23:23 < phinxy> How come a webpage serves a virtual mouse .ko driver without source and expect it to load?  Are there universal kernel modules that does not require a compilation?
23:24 < phinxy> Yesterday when i compiled a .ko, linux was very picky about version matching.
23:25 < prussian> only userland stability is considered... so not really
23:28 < Exagone313> Psi-Jack: how do you do your central LE server thing?  I was considering to use a custom authoritative DNS server (acme-dns) for that purpose in case I want redundancy.
23:28 < Exagone313> because syncing the certificats does not seem handy
23:29 < Psi-Jack> Exagone313: Well, I use acme.sh with route53 to do dns-01 validation, since that gives me wildcard certs. I wrote a tool, acme-tool, which is on my gitea server publically, to automate and wrap around acme.sh to synchronize with S3 so multiple systems can get it. I added an extra deploy script that can run to inject the certs into Vault for fabio to work with updated certs.
23:30 < Psi-Jack> So I'm going to pull out the S3 stuff from acme-tool and re-write that as a plugin/deploy script similarly.
23:35 < Psi-Jack> Exagone313: Beyond that, I have one host running acme-tool configured to be a uploaders (for S3/Vault), and the rest configured to be downloaders.
23:35 < Psi-Jack> Still need to work out how to compare old/new from Vault storage though.
23:35 < Exagone313> I'm not familiarized with aws tools at all
23:35 < Psi-Jack> With S3 it's just a sync dry-run comparison matching timestamps only.
23:36 < Exagone313> but I see the idea
23:36 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. :)
23:37 < Psi-Jack> Course, once I get Consul up on the AWS and Vultr "datacenters", they will simply use my home server's Vault server to retrieve certs/keys.
23:38 < Psi-Jack> When I get Fabio up at AWS, It'll download new certs/keys from the home vault, and upload to the local vault for fabio's certificate-store to work with.
23:39 < Psi-Jack> Can't make that depend on the home vault server because the VPN may not always be up, and that's a SPoF depending on my connection I don't want to rely on. :)
23:42 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, I think I'll have to add in a full plugin architecture for acme-tool to work with various storage methods, definitely.
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