--- Log opened Thu May 24 00:00:12 2018
--- Day changed Thu May 24 2018
00:00 < phogg> telmich: Or I could just size /tmp so that a runaway program can't kill the server. I don't need to spend time managing quotes.
00:00 < jelly> Dagmar, you only do that once, and then you learn to investigate metadata backward compatibility!
00:00 < bls> or you just keep  a jar under your desk
00:00 < phogg> Raise hands, who runs a server and has a quota policy in place?
00:00 < jelly> or you keep spare hw raid controllers
00:00 < michael2> bls: earlier you mentioned one can use the init=<some_program> param to direct the kernel for the pid one program to use
00:01 < phogg> Second show of hands: who has more than one partition?
00:01 < telmich> phogg: I guess the question should be "who runs a server and lets system users access it" in the first place
00:01 < phogg> there's a reason why the second group is always bigger
00:01 < Dagmar> jelly: Heh.  I just don't use hardware RAID unless I've gotten some pretty serious promises from the vendor
00:01 < jelly> phogg, only one partition.  Usually more than one fs and mountpoint tho.
00:01 < phogg> telmich: I let users like "apache" access it, you'd better believe it. Apache writes to disk.
00:01 < Dagmar> jelly: Wot comes on consumer/pro-thusiast motherboards is not something I'm touching
00:01 < telmich> Dagmar: I agree on that one - HW raid is rather broken for practical reasons
00:01 < jelly> oh dear not going there
00:01 < michael2> Im interesting in knowing - in the case of an installer USB - how the kernel is instructed to run the installer program
00:02 < phogg> Dagmar: the only reason raid is even supported by such boards is that consumer Windows is useless for software raid or LVM.
00:02 < Dagmar> michael2: Well, for one thing, kernels boot with arguments.  One of those arguments is generally init=/bin/init, and the init process takes it from there
00:02 < bls> michael2: the argument is passed to the kernel on the kernel commandline by the bootloader
00:02 < Dagmar> michael2: Whatever the heck someone told that init to do is what happens next
00:02 < phogg> normally /sbin/init
00:03 < Dagmar> michael2: You are, of course, free to replace that with a small binary of your own that puts syn2x on the screen or something
00:03 < telmich> Just wondering, those of you using LVM, which is your primary distribution?
00:03 < phogg> I should probably trash my "Linux, where /sbin/init is still job 1" tshirt now that /sbin/systemd is job 1.
00:03 < Dagmar> phogg: No, wear that f**ker with pride
00:03 < jelly> michael2, boot loader provides the kernel with some boot parameters and a tiny "early" userspace called "initramfs" or "initrd" which has its own code and sets things up.
00:03 < phogg> telmich: What, are we taking a straw poll now? How about I ask whether you like white chocolate or dark chocolate?
00:03 < phogg> telmich: what is your *goal* here?
00:03 < telmich> phogg: certainly dark.
00:04 < phogg> telmich: That's not the point. Polling is not something I expect people to do in this channel. When someone does I assume that there's a communication problem. What's yours?
00:05 < jelly> phogg, not more than 70% dpkg in my chocolate
00:05 < telmich> phogg: I was inspired to join the discussion by Dagmar, to whose comment I heavily disagree with
00:05 < Dagmar> I'm presently using LVM with Debian, Ubuntu, Slackware, OpenSUSE, RHEL, and CentOS.
00:05 < RayTracer> telmich: fedora
00:05 < jelly> dude, Slackware? :-)
00:06 < Dagmar> jelly: Are you aware of how long I've been using Linux?
00:06 < phogg> And I'm using it with Debian, CentOS and whatever my distro-of-the-week is this week (guix).
00:06 < Dagmar> I still think RH can bugger off with the idea of me having to drive four hours to take an exam for them
00:06 < Dagmar> I've been around longer than they have
00:06 < Dagmar> :P
00:06 < phogg> telmich: So your goal is to convince *dagmar* that LVM is not useful?
00:07 < Dagmar> I'll pick up the LFC and probably another this summer simply because they're not asking me to make some epic trek
00:07 < telmich> phogg: why do you assume that I do have a certain goal?
00:07 < phogg> telmich: You seem adamant on making some kind of point, even as you move the goal posts.
00:07 < bls> I don't think even Dagmar can convince Dagmar he's wrong about something, even when Dagmar knows he is
00:07 < jelly> still interesting you haven't given up on it
00:07 < Dagmar> bls: I have generally spent a rather lot of time working on this stuff.  I am _rarely_ wrong
00:08 < Dagmar> I'm certainly not the one sitting here carping about LVM's "complexity" in light of the design-by-committee sh*tshow that is GPT
00:09 < phogg> telmich: this is you: "LVM almost never makes sense." Some people describe when it makes sense. "I refuse to accept that it makes sense in those scenarios because you could do something else to get a marginally similar effect."
00:09 < michael2> jelly, bls, dagmar |  yes, you can direct the kernel to the installer program  using init=<program>,  however when I look at debian installer setup - it doesn't do that - it seems to just direct kernel to a custom initrd - is it possible that the initrd contains the installer program? is there a /sbin/init in the initrd.img filesystem that the kernel with start as a default?
00:09 < phogg> This triggers the rest of us to attempt to overcome your misunderstanding, which apparently can never end.
00:10 < Dagmar> Involving LVM from the get-go adds a very small amount of complexity that avoids having later changes almost universally being a pain in the ass
00:10 < phogg> Dagmar: what's wrong with GPT?
00:10 < phogg> I never gave it more than a surface look. "More than 4 partitions sounds good to me."
00:10 < Dagmar> phogg: Mostly the same things that were wrong with MBR, but mainly the idea of an enumerated list of "flags"
00:11  * phogg heads off to wikipedia
00:11 < telmich> phogg: I love that you create a new quote for me - however let's stay on topic
00:11 < Dagmar> They've really just made the list of "types" much larger so they can be vastly more confusing than ever vefore
00:11 < kbaegis> Awesome. 4.15 has a defect for rkt and 4.16 has a defect for ovs/lacp
00:11 < kbaegis> Has anyone seen "netlink: 'ovs-vswitchd': attribute type 5 has an invalid length." before?
00:11 < bls> michael2: likely correct. I was just describing the simplest case without bringing in initrds or pivotroot
00:11 < ciscon> just use rr
00:12 < Dagmar> That they're advisory rather than compulsory kind of makes it a lot of work for not much return
00:12 < jelly> michael2, yes there is a /init in the initrd :-)  (also, you might not see kernel params by default but lots of functionality in d-i depends on them -- preseeding, that is, automating debian-installer)
00:12 < phogg> telmich: The second "quote" was summarizing your responses for brevity, the first was exact.
00:12 < michael2> bls: got it. thanks
00:13 < dgs_> good for servers that might / will grow unpredictably
00:13 < michael2> jelly: d-i => debian installer ?
00:13 < bls> hence the difference between "how *could* a USB auto-boot into an installer" vs "how does debian get into its installer"
00:14 < jelly> yes
00:14 < dgs_> whoops - ignore that
00:14 < telmich> phogg: btw, what do you think is the right medium for Linux related polls?
00:14 < michael2> bls: you mean the "principal of most surprise"?
00:14 < jelly> noone likes polls, use interrupts
00:14 < slamtime_> telmich poll()
00:14 < phogg> Dagmar: so, uh... they changed the partition type code to a UUID and moved to LBA. Is that all?
00:15 < RayTracer> phogg: they also have a backup copy at the end of the disk
00:15 < phogg> telmich: https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/
00:15 < telmich> slamtime_: you got that one!
00:16 < michael2> jelly: if you wanted to, you can see all the kernel params by simply looking at the bootloaders config file right?
00:16 < bls> michael2: heh, it's how this place works, if you give a simple straight forward answer, someone will fill in with the complexities and caveats. if you see someone overcomplicating something, someone else will try to simplify/clarify
00:16 < Dagmar> phogg: It's basically just another set of bandaids
00:16 < telmich> phogg: did you just google that or did you know that? It actually looks interesting!
00:16 < phogg> Dagmar: Wonderful. Please tell me there is a central registry of UUIDs. Some kind of IANA analog.
00:16 < telmich> slamtime_: I'm actually waiting for somebody to say select() ...
00:16 < Dagmar> phogg: Hahahahah
00:16 < phogg> telmich: I googled it because I don't have it bookmarked, but I have used it many times.
00:17 < phogg> Dagmar: yeah that's what I thought
00:17 < Dagmar> phogg: Honestly I was tempted to attempt to register one myself called "Dagmar's cat picture storage"
00:17 < phogg> Dagmar: but who would ever know?
00:17 < Dagmar> Just to challenge someone to say that it wasn't deserving of suck
00:17 < Dagmar> s/suck/such/
00:18 < phogg> The hilarious part is that modern Windows *still* cannot boot from GPT.
00:18 < bls> hehe, add it to wikipedia and someone will build a backwards incompatible product around it
00:18 < phogg> Requires a FAT32 EFI volume first.
00:18 < Dagmar> I've still got the source to a fragmentation-encouraging filesystem I wrote for the C-64 ages ago.  I could have used that.  :)
00:18 < phogg> Dagmar: do it, I dare you
00:19 < Dagmar> That's a lot of work just to read some 20-year-old assembly
00:19 < phogg> probably not worth it just for a joke nobody will get
00:20 < Dagmar> I might be awarded some angry phone calls.  ;)
00:21 < bls> just have them forwarded to Comcast technical support
00:21 < bls> they seem to like it
00:21 < Dagmar> Too right
00:23 < Dagmar> It mgiht make a nice "rabbit hole" April 1st release
00:23 < Dagmar> Latency of access on 1541 drives was pretty extreme
00:23 < Dagmar> *some* of the design decisions that would otherwise be barking mad were perfectly reasonable
00:23 < phogg> I keep finding gems on the GPT wikipedia page: "Partition name (36 UTF-16LE code units)". Who uses UTF16LE?
00:24 < Dagmar> Microsoft of course
00:24 < phogg> of course
00:24 < Dagmar> Along with their special set of completely barking BOMs
00:24 < phogg> I like that partition attribute 63 is Windows-centric, too: "No drive letter"
00:24 < ciscon> i inherited a system once with a custom case insensitive ext filesystem on it so websites could be moved over to it from windows boxes without a hassle.  for some reason the guy that wrote it didn't understand that's what mod_speling was for, which was on that box just not enabled.
00:24 < phogg> BOMs should die in a fire
00:25 < phogg> If I had a nickel for every text file I had to de-bom I'd be rich.
00:26 < phogg> ciscon: Interesting. How custom was it? Seems like that would be a pretty easy hack to make on top of ext.
00:26 < phogg> I'm betting in any case that the kernel hadn't been updated in ages because nobody could figure out how to port the feature forward.
00:26 < ciscon> oh it was, it was just a few changes to the ext module - it was just a completely unnecessary thing, heh
00:27 < ciscon> bingo
00:27 < phogg> s/nobody could figure out/everybody was too scared to try to/
00:27 < ciscon> hence my fixing that box
00:27 < ciscon> heh right, mostly that.
00:27 < phogg> yeah
00:28 < ciscon> i want to say it was something pre 2.0 and 2.6 had just been "released"
00:28 < phogg> ciscon: did he at least only use the custom fs for a specific website mountpoint?
00:28 < jim> what's bom?
00:28 < phogg> byte order mark
00:28 < ciscon> absolutely not, he just ate the ext driver
00:28 < phogg> of course
00:28 < jim> thanks
00:28 < ciscon> heh- i'll bet he thought he was being pretty clever
00:28 < phogg> +1 for hack value, -10,000 for good thinking
00:30 < ciscon> i'm pretty sure this was the same guy that wrote the 30000 perl scripts we used for network/dns management as well, which were eventually condensed down to like 5 with a proper web interface to them
00:30 < phogg> "You need to port a web site from Windows to Linux, but the code assumes a case insensitive filesystem." "I find a way to make Linux case insensitive." "Okay, make a Wisdom saving throw." "I rolled a 1..." "You modify the ext driver, now all file access is case-insensitive"
00:31 < koala_man> hahaha
00:31 < ciscon> i think he was the dm AND the player, so that was actually a nat 20, he really wanted to do it
00:32 < ciscon> "but isn't that what mod_speling is fo...."   "shhh... i've already started rewriting it."
00:32 < phogg> *Thinking that it was a good idea* is a side effect of failing a wisdom check that badly.
00:32 < ciscon> heh
00:32 < twainwek> talk about thinking outside the box
00:33 < michael2> does BOM  advise whether bytes are using big or little endian? or am I totally missing the point?
00:33 < phogg> michael2: yep
00:33 < bls> because line endings weren't trouble enough....
00:34 < michael2> yep it specifiies big/little endian - or yep Im missing the point?
00:34 < twainwek> yup
00:34 < bls> does my \r\n / \n\r have to match my BOM or not :P
00:34 < ayecee> ambiguous question
00:35 < koala_man> michael2: well, it specifies encoding. for UTF-8 there's no byte order, but for UTF-16 there is and then it does specify UTF-16LE vs UTF-16BE
00:35 < phogg> michael2: it's marginally acceptable for UTF16, but for UTF8 it's a horrible idea.
00:35 < phogg> and yet Microsoft products consistently insist on writing UTF8 text files with a BOM
00:36 < bls> at least they quit doubling down on UTF-16 winning out over UTF-8, but yeah...
00:36 < phogg> bls: did they?
00:37 < bls> maybe not, don't deal with windows or its users anymore, but have stopped seeing stuff in UTF-8 get converted to UTF-16
00:41 < koala_man> UCS-2 made a lot of sense before the extra planes came along
00:42 < phogg> koala_man: I'll be honest: I have a hard time wrapping my head around advanced text encoding stuff. I can cope with UTF8 most days.
00:42 < koala_man> UTF-16 is to UCS-2 what UTF-8 is to ASCII
00:43 < phogg> My head hurts already.
01:29 < dysfigured> is there a way for the server to know the client's original user/host names? some slightly more identifying info besides IP in the logs
01:29 < dysfigured> err *ssh server specifically
01:29 < dysfigured> like my laptop user/host is dan@vaio can my sshd on my vps access that info?
01:31 < turkeyhand> is it possible for windows to screw up the mapping on your keyboard
01:31 < turkeyhand> I booted to windows, it tried to update and failed giving an error code
01:32 < turkeyhand> thought screw that, booted back into linux, and now the brightness keys don't work on this thinkpad x220
01:32 < turkeyhand> brightness function keys
01:34 < shinamouri> Trying to bypass bitlocker on my niece's pc. She didn't install it.  Running Windows 10. Any ideas on how to get in?
01:35 < dgs_> i don't know if it's been fixed yet but
01:35 < dgs_> https://betanews.com/2016/11/30/windows-10-bypass-bitlocker/
01:36 < dTal> turkeyhand: seems unlikely
01:37 < dTal> can you control the brightness with /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0/card0-LVDS-1/intel_backlight/brightness
01:37 < jnt> can I tweak out-of-memory killer somehow? for some reason instead of killing chromium my computer slows down until it is essentially hanging when I am out of memory/only a few hundred MiB left.
01:38 < dTal> jnt: the OOM is friggen useless, at least for web browsers
01:38 < dTal> I've *never* had it kill my web browser, always thrashing instead
01:39 < zzero1>  
01:39 < jnt> system load goes up to 150+, then I have 3-4 fps for a few seconds, if I am lucky I can kill it, but usually it hangs before i can do anything
01:39 < jnt> maybe after 10 minutes i can see the mouse move
01:40 < dTal> but you can try limiting chrome's memory to some fraction of the system memory
01:40 < dTal> or throwing in some swap so the slowdown is more gradual
01:40 < jnt> dTal: how?
01:41 < zzero1> got an irc question
01:41 < jnt> I got 32GiB memory. Chromium manages to eat it all up.
01:42 < Psi-Jack> zzero1: What about a Linux question?
01:42 < dTal> 32 gig and your web browser eats it all? holy hell
01:42 < zzero1> I wanna goin the #bitcoin channel
01:42 < dTal> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/125024
01:42 < Psi-Jack> Heh, 32GB is nothing to browsers these days.
01:42 < Psi-Jack> zzero1: For IRC help, see #freenode
01:42 < dTal> jnt: ^
01:43 < zzero1> Psi-Jack: I will look it up thanks
01:43 < dTal> can't help but feel like if your web browser is using 32 gig then yoiu're using it wrong
01:43 < jnt> dTal: After a few days at least, after I start it (restore open tabs) it eats 8GiB, but after 3-4 days it's 30GiB.
01:43 < Bunk> Hi
01:44 < Psi-Jack> jnt: Try the chrome extension "The Great Suspender"
01:44 < Psi-Jack> jnt: I assume you open endless tabs.
01:44 < Bunk> I just wanted to delete a file on my usb stick, but it says read only
01:44 < dTal> and ublock origin if you don't have it
01:44 < dTal> ads consume masses of memory
01:45 < Psi-Jack> And uBlock Origin also blocks cryptojackers.
01:45 < dTal> Bunk: have you used this memory stick with Linux before?
01:45 < dTal> Bunk: without asking further questions, 90% probability you need to install ntfs-fuse on your desktop
01:46 < Bunk> I did as # chmod 777 -c -R /place/number from dolphin //// dTal I had it in my laptop and moved files. Suddenly, the files shoed a lock symbol placed over them
01:47 < dTal> You ran dolphin as root?
01:47 < dTal> And then copied the files?
01:47 < dTal> Probably the files are owned by root now.
01:47 < Bunk> ah, no, i moved them to cloud
01:48 < Psi-Jack> You moved them to highly humid spaces in the SKY?!?
01:48 < xamithan> skynet
01:48 < jnt> Psi-Jack: Yeah, lots of tabs
01:49 < Bunk> Ya, i parked files in mega
01:49 < Psi-Jack> jnt: The Great Suspender is for people like us, lots of tabs,.
01:49 < Psi-Jack> Bunk: Wait, you stored files on my NAS?
01:50 < Bunk> dTal:  I checked. I'm the owner and the rights are r and w
01:50 < dTal> I find my tab discipline has gone all to pot since I got my new computer with 16 gb of ran
01:51 < dTal> when I only had 3 gig I had to be carefule with it
01:51 < jnt> Psi-Jack: can it exclude specific urls from being suspended?
01:52 < Psi-Jack> Of course.
01:52 < jnt> okay, I am gonna try it, but I was worried I would stop getting gmail notifications because the tab got killed
01:53 < Psi-Jack> Use a real email client?
01:54 < Dagmar> There's actually notification integration for that with Chrome
01:54 < Psi-Jack> There's a gmail extension as well, yes.
01:55 < Dagmar> Definitely no need to be dependent upon the tab
01:56 < Psi-Jack> THAT is quite true.
02:06 < jnt> Psi-Jack: Well, I am trying it now, guess I'll see if it helps in a few days.
02:07 < Psi-Jack> And look into better ways to do things.
02:08 < Bunk> need to go out
02:36 < maxxe> test
02:36 < syb0rg> maxxe all I see is ****
02:37 < maxxe> created a new theme for my irc client
02:37 < syb0rg> m̨a͎͚͈͞x̪̀x̵͓̞̮̯̥̭e҉̦͔ ̨̟̺̣̜͇̖ͅI̟͇̠̯ ̗̳͔͎̹̱͇t͉h̙͇i̴̜̭͇͙̝n̙̗k̰ ̘y͓̝͎̪̝o͍̖̫̝u̶͎̩̺͇̘̣r̩̘̤̠ ̢̟c̨͙͈̮̟̹li̳͕̣̱̣é̺͙̺͓n̩̙̻̥͟ṭ̡͕ ̛̻̺̘̰̖͕is̛͖͓̩͍̞ ̛̥͇͙͉͔̪m̖͎̪e̺̲̰͕̱͇s̟̬̜̬̦s̱̺̹̙̯ȩd҉͇̞̝ ̭̳u̻͚̟̰͈p͚ ҉̝̗̭̯̺͕̩:̡͈̙͕̞-̡͓͔̣̱͓͓(̷̼̞͍̻͚̦̻
02:38 < maxxe> no. high quality code.
02:38 < syb0rg> maybe =P
02:39 < maxxe> syb0rg, you should try it. don't know of anybody that uses it except me though. but I always use it :)
02:40 < syb0rg> which client is that maxxe?
02:40 < dTal> why is there R'lyehian in my IRC client
02:40 < maxxe> syb0rg: https://www.nifty-networks.net/swirc/
02:42 < syb0rg> seems nice, but I like me some hexchat
02:42 < maxxe> I can add themes without releasing a new version thanks to Curl :)
02:49 < backnforth> Hi, how do I temporarily disable logging in for a user?
02:50 < backnforth> via ssh **
02:50 < koala_man> login? do you still want them to be able to log in in other ways?
02:51 < backnforth> no
02:51 < backnforth> but again via the future
02:51 < syb0rg> backnforth, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring#Specify_Which_Accounts_Can_Use_SSH
02:51 < koala_man> usermod -L
02:52 < syb0rg> that only applies to openssh though, koala_man probably has the right idea if you want to disable all logins for the user for a while
02:55 < rypervenche> Unless keys are involved.
02:56 < koala_man> I think openssh checks this even when keys are involved, but I'd verify that first
02:59 < rypervenche> koala_man: Just tested it, usermod -L with keys still allows you on.
03:00 < koala_man> indeed it does
03:00 < syborg> rypervenche, then do that in addition to following the guide I linked. Should cover all your bases, no?
03:01 < rypervenche> That is one way, yes.
03:02 < syborg> ah you aren't the guy who originally asked
03:02 < syborg> I have firefox covering most of my scrollback atm =P
03:02 < backnforth> I originally asked :)
03:02 < uplime> does anyone happen to know off the top of their heads how to tell a bind9 slave server to reach out to the master for an update?
03:03 < uplime> ah nmd. forgot to update the serial
03:05 < MetaNova> uplime: update the serial
03:05 < uplime> thanks buddy
03:05 < MetaNova> np
03:06 < rypervenche> backnforth: Personally, I like to disable password logins via SSH, only allowing keys. And then I can just comment out a user's key in their authorized_keys file.
03:07 < backnforth> rypervenche,  I don't understand on how comments work in this context
03:08 < rypervenche> backnforth: This would only be if you wanted to use SSH only connections. If so, then I can explain in more detail.
03:09 < backnforth> rypervenche,  well, my server has a  website too and I don't want to block that from users
03:10 < rypervenche> backnforth: Well, if your users are SSHing into the machine, they likely won't know how to use SSH keys then.
03:11 < backnforth> why?
03:20 < rypervenche> backnforth: Well, they might not. I don't know your userbase. Sounded like you were a reseller or offering them services.
03:21 < backnforth> rypervenche,  No sir, it's just for a guy I know
03:22 < rypervenche> backnforth: Well, if you want, you can disable password logins and make him use an SSH key. You will put his public key into a file. If you put a # front of the key, it essentially disables it.
03:22 < backnforth> rypervenche,  but couldn't the user add that themselves?
03:22 < rypervenche> backnforth: How will they get on the machine once you disable their key?
03:23 < backnforth> by me re-enabling it
03:23 < rypervenche> Yes. But once you disable it, they can't a key because they can't get into the server.
03:23 < rypervenche> Oh, you mean can the user put the key on the server?
03:24 < backnforth> yes
03:24 < backnforth> By adding # in front of their key
03:24 < rypervenche> Yes, they can, so long as you are allowing password logins.
03:24 < rypervenche> Yes, they could. Essentially locking themselves out.
03:24 < backnforth> then the system is easily broken
03:24 < rypervenche> Not really. Just change the directory where the keys are stored. Keep it in /etc/ssh/authorized_keys
03:25 < rypervenche> Only root will have access to edit them.
03:26 < maxxe> I'm the bible and koran
03:26 < backnforth> get out
03:26 < syborg> lol
03:27 < maxxe> it's a lyric
03:27 < backnforth> rypervenche,  will that stop the program from working?
03:28 < rypervenche> backnforth: SSH? nope. Only root will be able to add/remove/comment out keys.
03:29 < ChunkyPuffs> Anybody care to help an old laptop out? Know the old EEEPCs?
03:29 < ChunkyPuffs> The Debian article for them recommends Debian Squeeze, which is completely and utterly unavailable now.
03:30 < n-iCe> Guys, what package do I need in order to get the route command? or an alternative to know my router ip? thanks.
03:30 < ChunkyPuffs> Debian 9 works flawlessly, except for one thing.. no libva, it just doesn't work. "Intel video i915_drv_video.so fails to load" https://bugs.debian.org/704801
03:30 < syborg> net-tools n-iCe
03:30 < ChunkyPuffs> have tried arch too, seems the hardware must be too old.
03:31 < syborg> I think anyway, being that is what it says at the bottom of the route man page
03:31 < rypervenche> n-iCe: route is deprecated. You should be using the iproute2 tools.
03:31 < rypervenche> n-iCe: use "ip r" instead.
03:31 < syborg> or be all modern and fancy like rypervenche =P
03:31 < rypervenche> :D
03:32 < n-iCe> thanks rypervenche ! that's new!
03:33 < rypervenche> And for those using the latest version, there's a color option for addresses :)  ip -c a
03:39 < drakonan> So how did gnu run without linux before linux existed?
03:39 < drakonan> did gnu run on unix?
03:40 < |JD|> they were coding their own kernel, that's all I know
03:41 < nbm> wasn't on hurd?
03:43 < drakonan> was trying to better understand the history of events
03:43 < drakonan> from here:
03:43 < drakonan> https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.en.html
03:43 < drakonan> and its like linux came after the programs...
03:46 < triceratux> drakonan: what gnu had originally in those days was the c compiler. it could install & run without a kernel onto a preexisting os. & you could use it to create stuff that hadnt existed before like the linux kernel
03:47 < drakonan> so how did they test it
03:47 < drakonan> i mean how did they know it would work if there was no environment it would work on?
03:47 < Pentode> gnu utils were developed on a whole bunch of different systems by different people
03:48 < Pentode> minix was popular back then tho im sure some used other systems questionably ;)
03:49 < drakonan> oh so basically there was like pirate unix installs well that's not possible either it had to run on a mainframe?
03:49 < Pentode> some were even developed at university or on shell accounts from home. everywhere, really.
03:49 < Pentode> well it did happen
03:51 < maxxe> torvalds is embarrassing due to his attitude
03:51 < epicmetal> s/embarrassing/awesome/
04:04 < PaulVern> I bought a huge custom cooler for my Ryzen 1600X and want to overclock it from the stock 3.6ghz.  Apparently 3.8ghz is very easy, and it can go to 4ghz usually
04:05 < PaulVern> is there a tool for linux which can test for errors with the overclock?
04:05 < PaulVern> I have one specific case where if I overclock at all, even to 3700mhz, I have bugs
04:05 < xamithan> Anything that puts a high load will work
04:06 < xamithan> Mine some crypto with it for a few days
04:06 < PaulVern> well I can run synthetic benchmarks without issues
04:06 < Pentode> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Stress_Test
04:06 < PaulVern> yeah, I get a higher hashrate mining crypto
04:06 < Pentode> yes its an arch guide, but it's a good one.
04:06 < PaulVern> (mined quite a lot of xuez)
04:06 < PaulVern> but when I try to do a specific task, it crashes
04:06 < PaulVern> even at +100mhz
04:07 < Pentode> have you tried increasing the vcore slightly?
04:07 < PaulVern> yeah
04:07 < PaulVern> even up to the recommnded max
04:07 < PaulVern> and then only doing +100mhz
04:07 < Pentode> im not sure how overclockable those cpus are
04:08 < toothe> so, i do some independent consulting with a friend and he just offered to buy me a laptop at any price.
04:08 < PaulVern> I'll read that arch doc, but does it take "accuracy" into account?
04:08 < toothe> "any price" = a few thousand would be fine.
04:08 < PaulVern> Pentode: apparently 3.8ghz is almost certain
04:08 < PaulVern> with the stock cooler
04:08 < nrg> so get a solid gold laptop
04:08 < toothe> I want to do a system76 lappy, but he said realistically speaking, that won't work.
04:08 < nrg> then sell it and retire
04:08 < toothe> because we'll do a ton of documentation work and MS Office just...is better :/
04:08 < toothe> let me rephrase that, its the standard.
04:08 < xamithan> You can always run that in a VM
04:09 < toothe> i know...i might just do that.
04:09 < toothe> does it run smooth under Wine yet?
04:09 < PaulVern> check out wps office
04:09 < toothe> WPS ?
04:09 < PaulVern> it looks better than ms office in wine and libreoffice
04:09 < PaulVern> proprietary though
04:09 < xamithan> No idea,  Isn't O365 fully web though ?
04:10 < PaulVern> http://wps-community.org/
04:10 < toothe> wow, and my mouse is malfunctioning...what the...
04:10 < PaulVern> my wife uses it on linux mint and likes it
04:11 < toothe> i use Mint too :)
04:11 < toothe> I love it.
04:11 < toothe> I can't get over the fact that Gnome doesn't have a window bar.
04:11 < PaulVern> I used to use it and I recommend it to everyone
04:11 < PaulVern> but I switched to Antergos a few months ago
04:11 < toothe> ie, when I use Kali, windows pile atop each other and I lose track.
04:11 < toothe> i'll have a terminal behind 3 windows.
04:11 < toothe> and I have to move windows to find it.
04:11 < toothe> which is ridiculous
04:12 < toothe> MATE is better, but you need 2 bars.
04:12 < codelurker> toothe: just use alt-tab
04:12 < toothe> whereas, Cinnamon does everything in 1 bar.
04:12 < dviola> i3 ftw
04:12 < oiaohm> toothe: Libreoffice master documents that work on large documents do come into its own.
04:12 < toothe> codelurker: that would work, but its not behavior I'm used to.
04:12 < codelurker> fair enough
04:13 < toothe> holy crap, about every 5th mouseclick isn't registering...
04:13 < lembron> ah, tinycore - fdisk prints "StartCHS 0,1,1" and "StartLBA 63" - but wants the "cylinder (124-19581)" when creating a partition -- how do i go inbetween those? :/ "u" for "convert" does nothing :/
04:13 < oiaohm> toothe: there are issues with fonts using in a lot of MS Office documents not rendering well in freetype.   Please note the freetype issue turns up when you open a MS Office document on MS office for Mac.
04:14 < toothe> oiaohm: Oh, I don't run Macs.
04:14 < toothe> I just run Linux and windows at work.
04:14 < toothe> Honestly, Office is literally the only hold up.
04:14 < oiaohm> toothe: yes the freetype issue sees people on Mac at times running MS office in wine/cross over instead of mac native.
04:14 < oiaohm> toothe: due to font issues.
04:14 < toothe> i believe we had this convo a few weeks ago in here and I got dog-piled for disliking the default behavior in Libre.
04:14 < PaulVern> will "stress" pick up minor errors which don't quite cause crashes?
04:15 < PaulVern> I'm having a pretty specific problem in an edge-case which I doube anyone else has tried to do
04:15 < oiaohm> toothe: if you issue is font appareance it would pay to look a bit closer because MS Office is not stable as you would like.
04:18 < PaulVern> might try asking in #hardware
04:18 < toothe> oiaohm: that isn't the issue.
04:18 < toothe> I don't care how it appears.
04:18 < toothe> The issue is where things are.
04:18 < toothe> and the default settings/values.
04:19 < toothe> and things don't render the same (not the font)
04:19 < toothe> I recently did a presentation in Powerpoint that showed up quite different in Libre.
04:19 < toothe> things were larger or smaller.
04:21 < oiaohm> toothe: I have had equal happen with opening a powerpoint on a mac.  Freetype processing font metrics differently can quite a huge number on layout.  Same with font subisution.
04:22 < toothe> wow, really?
04:22 < toothe> so, perhaps it was just a font issue?
04:22 < oiaohm> I have also see it on android tablet version of MS Office as well.
04:22 < toothe> so it pretty much only works as intended on WIndows?
04:22 < toothe> that sucks...
04:22 < oiaohm> and worst I have seen it happen once on Windows because I changed tghe default printer.
04:23 < oiaohm> Basically you want you presentation intact you PDF it.
04:24 < oiaohm> toothe: yes crossing versions of MS Office on windows also brings out formating hell.
04:24 < Psi-Jack> Easy Solution. Don't use MS Office. Or Windows. But if you have to use Windows for whatever lame excuse of a reason, SoftMaker Office is available for Linux, and Windows (and now macOS as well!)
04:25 < toothe> Psi-Jack: you know, I'm not against you.
04:25 < toothe> I dunno what SoftMaker office is...
04:25 < toothe> but, I'm with you on that.
04:25 < toothe> ideally, if could all switch over tomorrow, things would be fine.
04:25 < Psi-Jack> SoftMaker Office is a very good low-cost reliable alternative.
04:25 < toothe> but, I have to work with someone who uses office.
04:26 < Psi-Jack> Aka: You can work with .docx, .xlsx, etc documents, completely reliably.
04:26 < toothe> is it compatible?
04:26 < toothe> ie, legit compatible
04:26 < Psi-Jack> Yes.
04:26 < toothe> hm...wonder if there is a trial version.
04:26 < Psi-Jack> It's the ONLY thing I've used that is.
04:26 < oiaohm> toothe: I was in a location to deal with that they hate me for giving them a free android tablet and a mac machine and having them use them at different work locations and having their formating go nuts.
04:26 < toothe> I would be willing to pay for something like this.
04:26 < Psi-Jack> toothe: They have FreeOffice.com, which has the free version. It can't write to .docx, but it can read them.
04:27 < Psi-Jack> It can write to .doc and its own format though.
04:27 < oiaohm> toothe: 2 weeks of formatting hell they changed willingly.
04:27 < toothe> I have to write a pentest report sometime this week.
04:27 < toothe> oiaohm: from Office?
04:27 < Psi-Jack> toothe: Try FreeOffice. :)
04:27 < Psi-Jack> You will understand why I push it so hard when this subject comes up. :)
04:27 < PaulVern> Seriously, give wps-office a try
04:27 < Psi-Jack> PaulVern: NO!
04:27 < oiaohm> toothe: yep I gave them MS Office on android, mac and windows and required them to have them work with each other.
04:27 < PaulVern> the linux version is free and very snappy
04:27 < Psi-Jack> Horrible piece of garbage. LOL
04:27 < PaulVern> Psi-Jack: oh why not?
04:28 < toothe> sorry, I"m a little overwhelmed.
04:28 < PaulVern> seems good to me, and the .docx support is perfect
04:28 < toothe> There's FreeOffice, SoftMaker, what else?
04:28 < Psi-Jack> PaulVern: No.. Their .docx support is indeed very broken.
04:28 < oiaohm> toothe: I have libreoffice running in chroot on my android table.   And I had libreoffice on mac and windows and I had no issues transfering documents around.
04:28 < Psi-Jack> toothe: FreeOffice ~= SoftMaker Office, same company, same product, slightly limited in free.
04:28 < toothe> oiaohm: so, you're saying MS Office broke formatting?
04:28 < toothe> that's unusual.
04:29 < Psi-Jack> LibreOffice's filters for .docx are also quite broken.
04:29 < toothe> filters?
04:29 < oiaohm> toothe: Its been that way for 20+ years.  From the first version of Office for Mac.
04:29 < Psi-Jack> Yes, filters.
04:29 < toothe> meaning, what are those?
04:29 < Psi-Jack> How it interprets reading and writing.
04:29 < PaulVern> LibreOffice causes me problems almost every time I have to touch a .docx from some stupid government/business
04:29 < toothe> man, so I'm not the only one who...has feelings against Libre
04:29 < toothe> PaulVern: YES!
04:29 < toothe> exactly!
04:29 < toothe> it saves things differently.
04:30 < oiaohm> toothe: libreoffice is great in its own odf format.
04:30 < Psi-Jack> Worse, I've seen it open .docx completely corrupted.
04:30 < oiaohm> Psi-Jack: I have seen MS Office zero out a .docx file.
04:30 < oiaohm> Psi-Jack: so libreoffice is not much worse.
04:30 < PaulVern> I like that LibreOffice exists and I hope it improves
04:31 < Psi-Jack> Just from MS Office's own resume builder templates, opening that into LibreOffice was broken as hell. In FreeOffice, I was, for the first time, shown an entirely new light.
04:31 < PaulVern> I run it myself (try to stick to opensource)
04:31 < PaulVern> but yeah, it's frustrating
04:31 < toothe> so, it seems that there are 3 alternatives
04:31 < PaulVern> wish everyone would just use vim
04:31 < PaulVern> and .txt
04:31 < toothe> WPS, SoftMaker Office and FreeOffice?
04:31 < PaulVern> yeah, give them a try. I've only tried WPS
04:31 < PaulVern> but as I said, my wife uses it daily and prefers it to MS Office
04:32 < PaulVern> she works for the government
04:32 < toothe> PaulVern: WPS, are you referring to?
04:32 < PaulVern> yeah
04:32 < PaulVern> the one Psi-Jack hates
04:32 < oiaohm> Psi-Jack: the 2016 MS office resume template goes nuts in 2003 MS Office.
04:33 < PaulVern> https://www.wps.com/linux
04:33 < oiaohm> Psi-Jack: so that template is not safe.
04:33 < PaulVern> it's funny that they can totally 100% ripoff the MS Office interface like that lol
04:34 < oiaohm> toothe: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office  Libreoffice has huge number of formats supported.   Lot of formats the others will not attempt to open at all.
04:34 < oiaohm> toothe: that includes MS Office.
04:35 < oiaohm> toothe: so libreoffice need to be a tool in mix if you are dealing with archived records
04:35 < toothe> reading...
04:37 < toothe> is WPS in the ubuntu repo?
04:38 < toothe> this is hilarious.
04:38 < toothe> I used to struggle for 2 days to compile something, fix bugs, even hack the C code sometimes.
04:39 < toothe> and now I'm too impatient to find a debina package online.
04:40 < oiaohm> toothe: wps for Linux is still pure alpha.  http://wps-community.org/downloads
04:40 < toothe> found it.
04:40 < toothe> its just funny how i've changed.
04:41 < PaulVern> yeah, I changed like that recently. Bought a pre-made Dell desktop last year
04:41 < toothe> ah, this is a chinese product?
04:41 < PaulVern> biggest fuckup of the year
04:42 < PaulVern> yeah toothe Chinese. I guess that's why they can clone MS Office
04:42 < toothe> why can't they clone it...?
04:42 < oiaohm> toothe:  SoftMaker Office and FreeOffice are both form SoftMaker.  So fairly much the same level of support.
04:42 < toothe> whao, this looks legit...
04:43 < toothe> WPS, that is.
04:43 < oiaohm> toothe: please note I use the libreoffice by flathub installed by flatpak not the one installed by my distribution.
04:43 < toothe> why so?
04:44  * toothe doesn't even know what flatpak is heh.
04:44 < oiaohm> toothe: newer version \
04:46 < toothe> dude, this is legit.
04:46 < toothe> is WPS open source?
04:46 < oiaohm> toothe: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.libreoffice.LibreOffice   6.0.4.2  what is a current version with all the bug fixs.    https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libreoffice notice the version numbers here all different grades of out of date..
04:46 < toothe> ahh...
04:48 < eduardo777> hello
04:48 < eduardo777> anybody here?
04:48 < eduardo777> :p
04:48 < toothe> this seems to have come out of nowhere!!
04:48 < syborg> not a soul, eduardo777
04:48 < toothe> WPS did a *much* better job at my presentation than Libre did.
04:49 < oiaohm> toothe: also you most likely will find the newerest libreoffice will also do a better job.
04:49 < toothe> ahh..
04:49 < toothe> oiaohm: So, perhaps that's why I might need flatpak.
04:49 < toothe> I am on Linux Mint 18.3 aka Ubuntu 16.04
04:49 < oiaohm> toothe: I find flathub with flatpak very good for the applications I need current versions of.
04:50 < eduardo777> syborg: lol I thought so :P
04:50 < oiaohm> toothe: stable package end up equally old applications with bugs.
04:50 < eduardo777> I have a question for you guys
04:50 < oiaohm> toothe: of course those using libreoffice on windows are use to being on current stable version like flathub serves up.
04:51 < eduardo777> I'm looking for a replacement to Skype... if Open Source, better and of course, for Linux
04:51 < eduardo777> what programs could I try?
04:52 < oiaohm> eduardo777: https://ring.cx/
04:52 < Sveta> eduardo777: GNU RING, tox, jitsi, sip clients, webrtc, matrix.org, mumble
04:53 < eduardo777> oiaohm: thank you, but I haven't really been able to communicate well using Ring :/
04:53 < Sveta> eduardo777: depending on whether or not the other people want to have offline messages, sharing photos or attachments, audio or video chat
04:53 < eduardo777> thanks, Sveta!
04:53 < Sveta> eduardo777: what problems have you observed via gnu ring?
04:54 < eduardo777> I use skype mostly for videocalls and file sharing
04:54 < eduardo777> Sveta: when I send messages to my girlfriend, she won't receive them, even when I am getting her messages
04:54 < supernov1h> is uboot-dev a linux utility?
04:55 < eduardo777> and when I get her messages, they are very delayed
04:55 < qman__> discord is not open source, but does run on linux, and works pretty well
04:55 < Sveta> eduardo777: did you try using a couple different ring clients, or reporting the bug (including OS version and your client version) to the bug tracker?
04:55 < Sveta> eduardo777: the project is relatively well funded, i am sure they'd be glad to look into it
04:56 < eduardo777> another client... that goes beyond my understanding, Sveta :/
04:56 < Sveta> eduardo777: there are several clients for ring - for different platforms
04:56 < Sveta> eduardo777: if you don't want to test, just reporting the bug for the fix to be available to future users may be worthwhile
04:56 < eduardo777> I just downloaded the program, I followed the steps, I created my sip and that was it
04:56 < eduardo777> Sveta: I think you are right!
04:57 < Sveta> eduardo777: :)
04:57 < eduardo777> thank you :D
04:57 < Sveta> you're welcome :-)
05:10 < vga0> Why can some distros start gui programs inside firejail and some don't? https://pastebin.com/SFSAQcmt
05:17 < nbm> any recommendations for terminal? currently using rxvt-unicode but doesn't seem to work with 24bit colors
05:23 < misternumberone> Hi, installing stretch i386 and when I select to install GRUB 2 on floppy disk, "cannot find a GRUB device for /dev/fd0. check your device.map." /dev/fd0 does not exist. # modprobe floppy: "Module floppy not found in directory /lib/modules/4.9.0-6-686"
05:26 < syborg> you... you're using a floppy disk drive?
05:26 < francute> You can still buy them here
05:27 < syborg> I mean I'm sure you can, but damn...
05:27 < littlepython> how do i make httpd to run on different port
05:27 < littlepython> i changed Listen to 81 in /etc/conf/httpd/httpd.conf
05:27 < syborg> The only time in the last decade I have used a floppy disk was working in a factory with old machines run by MSDOS computers, and even then the floppy was just for transferring csv files
05:28 < syborg> the boot loader was stored on a hard drive
05:28 < games_> welp
05:29 < games_> i bought the system 76 oryx pro
05:29 < francute> Medical Insurance here still require you to send the info in floppy disks
05:29 < games_> was expensive
05:29 < games_> and I have to wait forever
05:29 < syborg> looks sexy
05:29 < n-iCe> Ok, I installed Archlinux yesterday, all is working awesome now, even my 32" monitor is working perfectly, the only thing I have notice is that boot takes like a minute to complete,I'm sure is not normal, anyidea hint where I can start looking at?
05:29 < syborg> francute, what?! What country is this?
05:30 < syborg> n-iCe, look in journalctl for errors that cause it to hang on boot
05:30 < phinxy> With Debian and Ubuntu, if something happens during shutdown like the hdd getting unplugged too early..
05:31 < phinxy> programs configurations, bash history and stuff like alsamixer volume setting is lost
05:31 < syborg> misternumberone, it looks to me like stretch unsurprisingly doesn't come with the drivers for your floppy drive
05:32 < francute> syborg, Argentina. However, i don't live in big cities
05:32 < syborg> there must be a way to install and run the drivers from the live system, but I haven't had to do that before
05:32 < misternumberone> syborg: is there no floppy drive support in stretch? do I need wheezy LTS?
05:32 < syborg> I don't know misternumberone, I'm just going off the error message
05:33 < syborg> hey ##linux folks, help this poor man with his floppy drive! =P
05:33 < phinxy> Is there a alternate init system that does shutdown the computer very quickly?
05:33 < n-iCe> syborg: first error May 22 05:31:15 nice kernel: [Firmware Bug]: TSC_DEADLINE disabled due to Errata; please update microcode to version: 0x20 (or later)
05:33 < n-iCe> May 22 05:31:17 nice kernel: radeon 0000:03:00.0: failed VCE resume (-110).
05:33 < n-iCe> May 22 05:42:07 nice login[668]: pam_systemd(login:session): Failed to release session: Interrupted system call
05:34 < misternumberone> syborg: I'm going to boot the installer on another pc with floppy and check the kernel modules
05:34 < n-iCe> May 22 05:42:10 nice kernel: watchdog: watchdog0: watchdog did not stop!
05:34 < n-iCe> damn, lot of errors
05:34 < syborg> okey dokey misternumberone, sounds like a good place to start
05:37 < syborg>  I dunno nice, none of them jump out at me as the source of your problem, but I'm not one of the experts around here. They all seem quiet right now
05:37 < syborg> * n-iCe
05:38 < n-iCe> thanks
05:38 < syborg> np, gl. Try the arch linux channel?
05:46 < gkwhc> hey guys, is there a way to find out when a machine last crashed?
05:48 < Random832> gkwhc, you can find out when it last rebooted with uptime
05:49 < gkwhc> Random832: yeah, tho idk if its possible to know when things went dead
05:50 < Random832> i mean, look at the last entry in syslog from before the reboot maybe
05:51 < PaulVern> I'm running an app in wine, which has the capability to fully crash my computer
05:52 < PaulVern> no logs are written, ssh connections into my computer are killed, etc
05:52 < PaulVern> how can I troubleshoot something like this? lol
05:52 < PaulVern> (I'm running antergos)
05:55 < ipj> hi there, i am trying to start httpd . i get an error "Job for httpd.service failed because the control process exited with error code. See "systemctl status httpd.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details."
05:55 < ipj> any idea?
05:56 < Sveta> ipj: run the two commands given at the end of this message
05:56 < Sveta> ipj: see what they say
05:56 < Sveta> ipj: they may give you a reason for this failure
06:01 < misternumberone> It appears that the debian 9.4 netinst iso does not contain the "floppy" kernel module, despite having all ata, scsi, usb and nvme modules. So I will have to use the full debian 9.4 official DVD image set.
06:02 < jimm> ipj, a few things...
06:02 < jimm> ipj, first, [[pastebin]]
06:02 < jimm> oops :) U;m not at home :)
06:03 < cmj> misternumberone: why not just do a net install and not use decaying mediums
06:03 < syborg> nice misternumberone, not ideal but now you can proceed
06:03 < cmj> if you're doing a netinstall you don't use floppies, etc
06:04 < syborg> or follow cmj's advice, but if you are using a floppy drive I can only assume you have determined that is the only feasible option for whatever situation you are in
06:04 < _zach> Today I called my ISP because my ping to 1.1.1.1 went from 10ms to 40ms. At first they were telling me blah blah blah about BGP routes. I kept on about the issue and argued that their specific reasoning didn't quite make sense. They put me on hold for a few minutes and came back on the line. Now my ping to 1.1.1.1 is 5ms :) They switched my upstream provider to cogent. Woohoo. Made my day.
06:04 < misternumberone> cmj:  I need to install my bootloader GRUB 2 otherwise I will be unable to reboot, to install that module..
06:04 < _zach> I don't have anyone else to share that awesome news with so I wanted to tell y'all.
06:05 < jimm> ok, the jist is, you czn pastebin the output of a command (let's sy it's called 'cmd') by doing this: cmd | nc termbin.com 9999
06:05 < syborg> noice _zach, not every day you get to make an ISP actually help you
06:05 < _zach> syborg: thankfully it's a local ISP in Las Vegas. They're a rarity.
06:06 < cmj> misternumberone: https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall
06:06 < jimm> ipj, so you could substitute any shell command for cmd
06:07 < cmj> most computers can use network booting via bios
06:08 < cmj> it's how we revive shitty old broken laptopos
06:08 < horseface> so the earth spins
06:08 < horseface> vintage
06:08 < cmj> that's the proper nomenclature yes
06:09 < horseface> right
06:11 < misternumberone> cmj: I am able to use network boot but, in order to install the packages I need with that method, I need to download them anyway, still. I am therefore downloading the DVD isos
06:14 < cmj> yeah i glossed over 'network install' ambiguity
06:14 < cmj> if you have another computer, set it up for pxe installs
06:15 < cmj> most my old laptops have broken/dirty cdrom drives
06:16 < cmj> pxe is pretty great in it's own right
06:17 < oiaohm> cmj: and laptop usb ports can be in horrible condition as well.
06:18 < misternumberone> cmj: however sometimes network adapters also do not work. for that reason I am placing a working dvd drive into the computer
06:18 < cmj> there's a very solid reason to setup a pxe server for these situations
06:18 < cmj> it's also simple
06:28 < ipj> jimm: what do you mean by shell command, i tried apachectl restart also.. dint work for some reason
06:30 < Triffid_Hunter> woah just found out how to toggle line numbers in nano.. never knew it could do that!
06:31 < Triffid_Hunter> just by accident.. apparently the key combo is ctrl+3, shift+3 to toggle them
06:32 < phinxy> have technology gone too far?
06:36 < Random832> Triffid_Hunter, ctrl-3 is just escape
06:37 < Triffid_Hunter> Random832: orly? neat
06:37 < Random832> so alt-# should work
06:38 < Triffid_Hunter> Random832: well look at that, alt+shift+3 does work, til
06:42 < Forty-3> when compiling a kernel module I get `WARNING: "wait_on_page_bit_killable" undefined!`; this is defined in linux/pagemap.h on 4.14.41 (and implemented in mm/filemap.c)
06:44 < glitchd> can anyone help me out with writing a script?
06:44 < syb0rg> glitchd, there is also #bassh
06:44 < syb0rg> *#bash
06:45 < Triffid_Hunter> Forty-3: probably the module was written for a much older kernel version.. it's always tricky keeping out-of-tree modules compatible with mainline, that's why it's good to get them merged in as it shifts responsibility for those updates to whoever changes the APIs that the module uses
06:45 < Forty-3> I wrote it myself :P
06:45 < glitchd> syb0rg, are you telling me to go there instead?
06:46 < Triffid_Hunter> Forty-3: then possibly you're missing an include?
06:46 < Forty-3> nope
06:46 < Forty-3> it compiled fine
06:46 < Forty-3> the problem is in linking
06:46 < syb0rg> glitchd, I am saying that they are a helpful channel for your line of questioning. Do what you will with that information. :-)
06:47 < Forty-3> compiles fine on 4.16.8 ...
06:49 < lnnb> do you need to include mm/filemap.o in your makefile
06:49 < Forty-3> nope
06:50 < Forty-3> this is my makefile https://github.com/Forty-Bot/lean/blob/master/src/Makefile
06:50 < Forty-3> evcerything is handled by the kernel's makefiles
06:52 < ipj> output of journal ctl -xe https://hastebin.com/epezufocek.sql
06:52 < ipj> getting an error when i try to restart httpd
06:53 < glitchd> syb0rg, thx for the advice bud
06:54 < syb0rg> yup, good luck. If you ask a more specific question you might get help here, too
06:55 < glitchd> ok
06:56 < glitchd> well im trying to figure out a way to activate xscreensaver to blank the screen, but i want it to reactivate by itself if i move the mouse. BUT, if i run it in a loop it prints messages on the screen saying its already activated, which is defeating part of the purpose of using it.
07:07 < Happyhobo> Howdy.
07:07 < Happyhobo> My wireless is working perfectly and the new card is in the mail.  It's all good in da hood because the new card has blue teeth.
07:08 < Happyhobo> Can I share something short that isn't linux related but makes me really happy?  Please, please, please.
07:08 < syb0rg> Uhhhh . . . good? Good.
07:08 < Happyhobo> Can I?
07:08 < syb0rg> Unless a mod tells you to shut up
07:09 < Happyhobo> My good friend's girl who is a big Nicholas Sparks fan read my novel, the first in the series.  She said this:  I haven’t gotten to start that one yet. But lancers destiny was definitely a great read! In all honesty the way the plot was set up it did remind me a lot of a Nicholas Sparks book. Other than what I said before with using maniacally a lot, I think you did a damn good job as far as the descriptive part. It’s easier to sta
07:09 < Happyhobo> focused in a book when you can kind of place how things are in your mind.
07:09 < Happyhobo> great read, reminded her of Nicholas Sparks, I am the shit!
07:10 < rud0lf> congrats, Happyhobo :)
07:10 < syb0rg> lol, cool stuff, writing a novel can't be easy
07:11 < Happyhobo> Thanks.  Oh the maniacal part is because Baylie is bubbly, lively and giggling wouldn't cut it, laughing softly wouldn't cut it, I heard her talk and I heard her laugh and it came out loony toons so she laughs maniacally.
07:11 < Happyhobo> OK, done.
07:12 < Happyhobo> Didn't linux used to come with a thesaurus?
07:13 < Happyhobo> aiksaurus!
07:14 < Happyhobo> Jim I installed it and now I can't find it.
07:15 < Happyhobo> Hi pikaro_  Are you related to Pikachu?
07:17 < pikaro_> Happyhobo, lol wat. no it's the german spelling for picaro, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pikaro&t=ffab&ia=definition
07:19 < Happyhobo> Oh
07:22 < Happyhobo> Why do things always work when a replacement is on the way?
07:24 < syb0rg> Your current card doesn't want to get bit by the blue teeth
07:27 < syb0rg> huh, didn't know freenode allowed sasl logins over tor
07:27 < syb0rg> that's kinda neat
07:29 < domhnall> thought it used to
07:29 < Sveta> it used to, then there was a one year break, then it fixed something and started offering them again
07:36 < darkhorse> hi, everyone
07:37 < darkhorse> How I can navigate between apps in linux by scrolling mousepad left or right.
07:37 < darkhorse> I am using gnome de
07:38 < jimm> hi
07:38 < jimm> so, you have windows on the screen representing two apps?
07:39 < darkhorse> hi jimm. Like if i have two apps running. Then I need to press alt+tab to navigate to another one
07:40 < darkhorse> Or hit to top left hotcorner to see the running apps.
07:40 < darkhorse> I want it something like mac does. Scroll left/right to navigate
07:40 < jimm> maybe what to do is move the mouse pointer within the window of the other app, and possibly click?
07:41 < jimm> is the way you know two apps are running, that you have two windows with the apps in each?
07:43 < Triffid_Hunter> darkhorse: you want left/right scroll to change desktop?
07:44 < darkhorse> jimm, this is how I can switch to different running app https://ibb.co/eQ3g88
07:44 < darkhorse> Triffid_Hunter, No, i want to switch between running apps
07:46 < jimm> so you have that display of 6 windows, and you move the mouse to one of them?
07:46 < darkhorse> yeah
07:47 < jimm> is that how you want to do it?
07:47 < darkhorse> i need don't want it. I want to change app with scolling mousepad left or right
07:47 < darkhorse> need/---
07:49 < jimm> ok... I didn't get a picture when you said "scrolling mousepad"
07:51 < jimm> do you mean moving the mouse pointer?
07:54 < misternumberone> well this is a serious problem now - there is no floppy kernel module in the kernel that is in the debian 9.4 Full Install DVD 1 either. modprobe floppy gives "module floppy not found in directory", modules.builtin does not list floppy, /dev/fd0 does not exist
07:55 < darkhorse> jimm, https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.osxdaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2Fadjust-scrolling-speed-mac.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fosxdaily.com%2F2015%2F04%2F29%2Fchange-scrolling-speed-mouse-trackpad-mac%2F&docid=Xf0nKhw21M2zLM&tbnid=El4yADKNphK1wM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwjLzbKv1J3bAhWBqI8KHXbOBJEQMwg-KAAwAA..i&w=540&h=360&client=firefox-b-ab&bih=630&biw=1366&q=mouse%20scrolling&ved=0ahUKEwjLzbKv1J3bAhWBqI8KHXbOBJEQMwg-KAAwAA&iact
07:55 < darkhorse> =mrc&uact=8
07:55 < darkhorse> oops,
07:55 < misternumberone> Is there any way to download and install a kernel module manually?
07:56 < jimm> maybe the floppy modules are packaged...
07:57 < jimm> they have a way to build modules separately.... but -that- is a worst-comes-to-worst situation
07:57 < darkhorse> jimm, shorter url: https://ibb.co/esLm88
07:59 < jimm> oh I see, you want to use that special scroll action
07:59 < darkhorse> Yeah jimm
08:00 < autopsy> misternumberone yes you can compile kernel modules using make and gcc.
08:01 < jimm> and you need certain packages installed to do the module compile
08:01 < autopsy> misternumberone but you'll need to build against the kernel headers for the kernel you want to load the module on first.
08:02 < autopsy> misternumberone in Fedora this is kernel-devel package and make and gcc as dependencies for PreRequires.
08:03 < jimm> in debian, you install build-essential for that
08:03 < autopsy> Ah. Thats cool.
08:04 < misternumberone> apt-get is not present in the installer, but if I use the debian live image and install from that I should be able to build and install the floppy module right?
08:04 < jimm> debian probably still has module-assistant
08:04 < jimm> but, your first instinct is good,,, you want to see if these modules are already packaged
08:05 < jimm> wait, what linux do you have installed?
08:06 < autopsy> misternumberone what a floppy disk drive module? That is what you need to build?
08:07 < misternumberone> I am using a different pc with debian jessie right now to irc, but I want to use stretch on an other PC, however it is necessary for that PC to use a floppy drive and there is no floppy drive driver kernel module in the installer for debian 9.4 :(
08:07 < jimm> I think he needs support for the block device fd
08:08 < autopsy> misternumberone what requires using a floppy module?
08:08 < jimm> oh ok, also check on #debian how you get support for the fd block device
08:08 < jimm> do you have /dev/fd0 as a file?
08:09 < Triffid_Hunter> misternumberone: woah you have a floppy drive? haven't seen one of those in at least a decade
08:09 < misternumberone> autopsy: the floppy drive, it is not showing up, the /dev/fd0 does not exist
08:09 < misternumberone> (the drive works to boot PC and in windows)
08:09 < autopsy> misternumberone I thought it was already a part of the kernel compiled in.
08:10 < drzacek> Hello there
08:10 < jimm> actually scratch that... I'll be back in likean hour
08:10 < misternumberone> autopsy: everything I read says it is supposed to be but when I type the commands it is not there
08:10 < jimm> hi
08:10 < misternumberone> modprobe floppy gives "module floppy not found in directory", modules.builtin does not list floppy, /dev/fd0 does not exist
08:11 < autopsy> misternumberone have you tried using mknod manually to create fd0?
08:11 < drzacek> CONFIG_NO_HZ_FULL - why is it only available on 64bit kernel?
08:13 < autopsy> misternumberone, coreutils has mknod
08:14 < [R]> i'm confused by avahi... can i just get a list of hosts on the networks, or can i only get a list of services?
08:14 < misternumberone> autopsy: so I use mknod /dev/fd0 but what comes next in the command? i'm not sure
08:15 < autopsy> misternumberone, you have to supply major and minor device node numbers also.
08:15 < autopsy> misternumberone, then just mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
08:15 < misternumberone> yes unfortunately i am not sure what the major and minor numbers are
08:16 < autopsy> misternumberone, I'll find them.
08:17 < autopsy> misternumberone, 2 and 0
08:17 < misternumberone> thanks
08:17 < autopsy> misternumberone, 2 is major 0 is minor.
08:19 < autopsy> misternumberone, you want mknod b 2 0 /dev/fd0
08:20 < autopsy> misternumberone, actually you want this: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0
08:21 < autopsy> misternumberone, and then chown root.floppy /dev/fd0
08:22 < misternumberone> I used mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 because the command requested that syntax and no output, and then typed mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt and "mounting /dev/fd0 on /mnt failed: no such device or address"
08:22 < misternumberone> ls shows both /dev/fd0 and /mnt as existing
08:23 < misternumberone> chown root.floppy /dev/fd0: "unknown user/group root:floppy"
08:23 < Triffid_Hunter> drzacek: what 32 bit device are you wanting to run tickless on?
08:23 < autopsy> misternumberone, on Fedora it works ok.
08:24 < autopsy> misternumberone, maybe you need to add a group floppy.
08:24 < drzacek> Triffid_Hunter, a processor
08:24 < autopsy> misternumberone, I would use groupadd
08:24  * domhnall TIL about Yakuake ... where has this been all my linux life. 
08:25 < misternumberone> autopsy: but for fedora does  modprobe floppy  give an error?
08:25 < misternumberone> groupadd not available
08:26 < misternumberone> i am preparing to try using the Official debian 9.4 live image iso and see if I am able to download and compile the floppy module
08:26 < autopsy> misternumberone, no it says no such device cause I dont have one.
08:27 < autopsy> misternumberone, Im telling you its in the kernel.
08:27 < misternumberone> ok well i guess you are right about the groupadd, I will also try that when I am using the live image and have access to apt-get
08:27 < drzacek> Triffid_Hunter, whats wrong with using it on 32bit system?
08:28 < autopsy> misternumberone, yeah use the Live image.
08:29 < Triffid_Hunter> drzacek: nothing, but 64 bit has been around for a long time, perhaps no-one's tried to make sure it works on 32?
08:30 < monkers> can someone help me recover my lvm array? i ran a vgreduce and now its gone >_<
08:31 < drzacek> Triffid_Hunter, perhaps, but it isn't THAT long, 32bit devices are still out there, in big numbers
08:31 < domhnall> autopsy: nice nick, anything to do with Sleuth Kit or just how you feel?
08:32 < autopsy> domhnall, yeah it has to do with resurrecting dead projects on Linux.
08:32 < domhnall> mmk, that seems sarcastic but I'll take it.
08:33 < autopsy> domhnall, like when Fedora 10 was out kadischi was a dead LiveDVD creator project.
08:34 < autopsy> domhnall, no not sarcasm. I felt the need to call myself autopsy on the internet.
08:34 < autopsy> domhnall, I know of Slueth Kit though.
08:35 < domhnall> Ok, just check tools.kali.org and didnt know Slueth Kit wasn't there anymore. so...it really is dead huh.
08:36 < domhnall> s/check/checked
08:36 < autopsy> YEAH DEAD AS BATS.
08:38 < domhnall> Hm, just released 4.7.0 on May 8
08:38 < domhnall> cant be but so dead
08:38 < autopsy> domhnall, time will only tell.
08:40 < autopsy> domhnall, Fedora has a wonde rful LiveDVD creation process now though. Rewrote livecd-tools in Python.
08:41 < domhnall> meh, not really a Fedora fan. Tried it once though. Much rather use CentOS or OpenSUSE.
08:41 < autopsy> domhnall, oh really thats cool. Fedora is on top of things though the second largest contributor to Linux kernel code besides intel Corporation.
08:42 < autopsy> RedHat i mean.
08:42 < domhnall> autopsy: yeah, RH contributes massive code to kernel.
08:43 < autopsy> domhnall, good thing too. They integrated systemd quite fast.
08:47 < sn00bie> hi i use an overlay script that the rootfs is readonly, now i want to mount it rw without reboot. i found some script at https://github.com/chesty/overlayroot/blob/master/init-bottom-overlay
08:47 < sn00bie> but i dont know how this works. can i get some help with overlayds ro filesystem and change it to rw "live"
08:47 < domhnall> sn00bie: Gentoo?
08:47 < sn00bie> nobe debian
08:48 < domhnall> oh...
08:48 < sn00bie> my first question where can i find the log_begin_msg "Starting overlay" message
08:48 < sn00bie> i want to a look at the messages from the script
08:48 < sn00bie> but i dont know where, sry
08:49 < domhnall> autopsy: heh, thanks for reminding I needed this book. http://www.campus64.com/digital_learning/data/cyber_forensics_essentials/info_file_system_forensic_analysis.pdf
08:53 < domhnall> best part, I only need to read the chapters on UFS...now anyway.
08:54 < autopsy> domhnall, yeah its probably good.
08:55 < domhnall> sn00bie: sorry, can't help as I know nothing about overlay on debian.
08:56 < autopsy> sn00bie, I think you just mount it over / as rw.
08:57 < autopsy> sn00bie, maybe using a bind mount.
08:57 < sn00bie> thanks the ro mount works
08:57 < autopsy> sn00bie, rw does not?
08:57 < sn00bie> i found some script and mounting ro works https://github.com/chesty/overlayroot/blob/master/init-bottom-overlay
08:58 < autopsy> sn00bie, you should be able to mount rw then fairly in the same way.
08:59 < sn00bie> i want to change the rootfs live to rw without reboot
09:00 < autopsy> sn00bie, ok find the loop device it is mounted on and mount -o remount,rw The loop device the rootfs is mounted on.
09:10 < sn00bie> thanks i want to try it...
09:11 < sn00bie> there are log messages at the script, where can i find them?
09:13 < sn00bie> it is an initramfs-tools script
09:38 < turkeyhand> how do I put the icon bar thing at the bottom
09:41 < justsomeguy> Is it difficult to learn rpm packaging?
09:44 < introom> how do you schedule process jobs to run?
09:44 < introom> other than cron
09:45 < introom> i need a tool with nice api (python binding)
09:45 < introom> controlling by shell is also ok
09:45 < Triffid_Hunter> introom: cron is literally the way, what's your adversion to it?
09:46 < ramatevish> jobber? what are you doing that cron doesn't work?
09:48 < justsomeguy> \join #rust
09:48 < justsomeguy> Sorry about that.
09:50 < introom> Triffid_Hunter: check if the job is running
09:51 < introom> safely close the job
09:51 < introom> maintaining some meta information about the running job
09:51 < introom> better if we can do some resouce control
09:51 < introom> we may build the wheel with docker and cron
09:51 < introom> but i wonder if there is some integrated tool already
09:53 < Triffid_Hunter> introom: putting screen -d -m 'your command' in cron can do stuff like that
09:54 < gidna> Hello
09:54 < gidna> I have a pdf with greek letters I'd like to convert to a plain text, but encoding is messed up after copying
09:55 < turkeyhand> how do 'i move the dash to the bottom of the screen
09:56 < pingfloyd> you mean do an underscore character?
09:59 < well_laid_lawn>  _
10:00 < TaZeR> hey guys i need some advice on how to handle a failing platter drive with tons of errors barley being able to read it tons of inode and ext4 fs and other errors
10:00 < TaZeR> are there some options i can mount it with to ignore as much error as possible to make copying any data off easier?
10:01 < TaZeR> everytime i try to change the folder it takes forever as it seeks around and errors
10:04 < Triffid_Hunter> TaZeR: dd conv=sync,noerror
10:04 < Triffid_Hunter> TaZeR: also implement a proper backup solution :P
10:04 < TaZeR> that was my backup solution :p
10:05 < TaZeR> holds my backup snapshots and some media nothing important i knew the drive was old
10:05 < TaZeR> but id like to grab those snapshots when my new 2tb arrives
10:05 < TaZeR> ill try those options, thanks
10:05 < jelly> TaZeR: use ddrescue
10:06 < jelly> or dd_rescue (different app)
10:06 < Triffid_Hunter> TaZeR: noerror makes it not fail on read errors, and sync makes it fill blocks it can't read with zeros
10:06 < TaZeR> good thats the sort of thing im lookign for
10:07 < Triffid_Hunter> TaZeR: hypothetically you could run it multiple times and hopefully it'll error on different blocks each time then smush the images together afterwards
10:09 < TaZeR> oh crap some cron stuff just ran and wrote to it lol
10:09 < TaZeR> ok unmounted :p
10:11 < Jonno_FTW> what's a good program to expose my usb camera as an ip camera?
10:12 < well_laid_lawn> as a networked camera ?
10:12 < Jonno_FTW> yes
10:17 < well_laid_lawn> Jonno_FTW:  mplayer can stream that, vlc too
10:18 < Jonno_FTW> well_laid_lawn: will those programs make my usb camera accessible from the network will they?
10:18 < BCMM> Jonno_FTW: vlc is probably the easiest way to do it
10:18 < amosbird> hi, why does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware split the firmwares into three packages ?
10:20 < Jonno_FTW> BCMM: I can display the output of my usb video, but I want it accessible as rstp
10:21 < BCMM> Jonno_FTW: what we are trying to tell you is that vlc can host network streams. not sure if rtsp, though. do you specifically need to use that protocol?
10:21 < Jonno_FTW> I need something that ffmpeg can read on another machine
10:23 < BCMM> Jonno_FTW: looks like it can do rtsp, actually
10:24 < BCMM> as well as plain old http streaming, and that weird microsoft thing
10:24 < Jonno_FTW> how do I do this?
10:24 < BCMM> Jonno_FTW: Media -> Stream...
10:24 < BCMM> Jonno_FTW: (or, in the ordinary "Open Media" dialog, click the dropdown menu next to "Play" and choose "Stream" instead)
10:25 < BCMM> it will take you to a dialog where you can set various parameters of the stream
10:25 < wildermind> Hi,  I have a weird thing going on, I see my wifi interface but the network-manager doesn't see any networks. eth0 works fine
10:25 < wildermind> here are all the details of my situation: https://pastebin.com/7MaHgKj9
10:26 < autopsy> wildermind, try iwlist scan
10:27 < autopsy> wildermind, iwlist scan scans for signals on the interfaces you have.
10:27 < pingfloyd> Jonno_FTW: you'll need to take firewalling into account as far exposing the ip
10:27 < Jonno_FTW> pingfloyd: this is local network only
10:27 < wildermind> autopsy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rk4h5QMt8g/
10:28 < pingfloyd> Jonno_FTW: you running any local firewalls such as iptables?
10:28 < wildermind> it looks weird `wlp2s0    Interface doesn't support scanning : Connection timed out`
10:28 < autopsy> wildermind, is airplane mode on is the hardware wireless switch on your keyboard set to on for the wireless?
10:29 < autopsy> wildermind, mine is in a button f12
10:29 < wildermind> airplane mode is off, you can see it in the rfkill list I did in the first paste
10:31 < autopsy> wildermind, try ifconfig w1p2so up
10:31 < autopsy> wildermind, then try iwlist scan again.
10:31 < pingfloyd> see if you can connect with wpa_supplicant directly: wpa_supplicant -B -i wlp2s0 <(wpa_passphrase "pass" "ESSID")
10:32 < pingfloyd> also, does wlp2s0 have a status UP?
10:32 < wildermind> autopsy: same thing
10:32 < pingfloyd> if wpa_supplicant command goes through, then you run dhclient
10:33 < wildermind> pingfloyd: you're talking to me?
10:33 < pingfloyd> yes
10:34 < wildermind> pingfloyd: the syntax you sent doesn't work
10:34 < High_Priest> any ideas on how to debug dig that is not able to resolve stuff? (host and nslookup commands work fine)
10:36 < pingfloyd> fixed: wpa_supplicant -B -i wlp2s0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "pass" "ESSID")
10:36 < pingfloyd> forgot the -c flag
10:36 < pingfloyd> fixed: wpa_supplicant -B -i wlp2s0 -c <(wpa_passphrase "ESSID" "pass")
10:37 < wildermind> pingfloyd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rQdKqPwSHH/
10:38 < wildermind> pingfloyd: after switching between the ESSID and pass: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5C2Q9cwyjd/
10:38 < pingfloyd> did you notice I had wpa_passphrase parameters swapped?
10:38 < pingfloyd> originally
10:39 < pingfloyd> that looks partially up
10:39 < pingfloyd> try running dhclient now
10:39 < pingfloyd> and then check ip link addr
10:39 < pingfloyd> ip addr
10:39 < wildermind> dhclient: `RTNETLINK answers: File exists`
10:40 < pingfloyd> what's ip addr show?
10:40 < wildermind> pingfloyd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/D6MrMbgD8W/
10:40 < pingfloyd> I'm starting to wonder if you're missing needed wifi firmware
10:41 < wildermind> how can this happen?
10:41 < autopsy> Firmware yeah.
10:42 < wildermind> how can I check that?
10:42 < autopsy> Wont there be a google page on firmware using the device model from lspci
10:43 < pingfloyd> maybe try experimenting with the -D flag for wpa_supplicant (i.e., try a different driver than the default).
10:43 < autopsy> "firmware for Intel 4105 wireless card
10:44 < autopsy> "firmware for Intel 4105 wireless card Linux kernel"
10:45 < pingfloyd> for example: wpa_supplicant ... -D nl80211 ...
10:45 < wildermind> I have another laptop exact same model and it too uses iwlwifi module for wifi
10:45 < autopsy> wildermind, but does it report networks in range?
10:46 < wildermind> yeah
10:46 < autopsy> wildermind, maybe the card is defective does it work in Windows?
10:46 < wildermind> it worked 2 days ago, can this be connected to docker? (I installed it lately)
10:47 < pingfloyd> I know that on debian you need to firmware even for intel wireless.
10:47 < pingfloyd> not sure with ubuntu
10:47 < autopsy> It is Intel.
10:47 < pingfloyd> I know
10:47 < pingfloyd> you still need the non-free firmware on debian even if Intel
10:48 < wildermind> my wifi worked 2 days ago. and in my other laptop(same model) it looks like it's the same driver
10:48 < rosco> What would you investigate if the text you typed in thunderbird was not echoing immediately? The CPU load in general? I guess the mail sytem cannot be the cause, right?
10:49 < well_laid_lawn> I'd check the cpu load
10:49 < pingfloyd> rosco: how memory usage and load average looking when that is happening?
10:50 < autopsy> Interrupts catch keyboard key strokes.
10:51 < wildermind> autopsy: pingfloyd: any other ideas?
10:52 < rosco> all I have is the feedback fro my users, I didn't see it in person. I guess it's more likely the CPU of the client.
10:52 < autopsy> wildermind, maybe the wireless reciever burned out.
10:52 < pingfloyd> wildermind: make sure you don't have it switched off in software and physical switch (if applicable).
10:52 < wildermind> I don't and you can see it in rfkill
10:52 < autopsy> Yeah make sure the physical switch is on for it.
10:52 < pingfloyd> e.g., check rfkill and physical switch both
10:52 < wildermind> btw I have dual boot and it works with windows
10:53 < wildermind> pingfloyd:ok did that, saw it blocking the device and ublocking it
10:54 < pingfloyd> also, did you try setting up the connection in nmtui?
10:55 < wildermind> just found this in dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hRWSqhYCvN/ it happened when I blocked&unblocked the wifi
10:55 < pingfloyd> I know in debian there is a bug with usual network-manager applet
10:55 < pingfloyd> I think I was having a problem before where it would only show wired connections
10:56 < wildermind> yeah, tried wicd too
10:59 < autopsy> wildermind, maybe your firmware is corrupt.
11:00 < wildermind> can I reinstall it ?
11:00 < autopsy> 487.885959] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Microcode SW error detected.  Restarting 0x2000000.
11:00 < autopsy> wildermind, I don't know how.
11:01 < pingfloyd> wildermind: try ip link set wlp2s0 up
11:01 < pingfloyd> and see if it comes up
11:02 < wildermind> wpa_supplicant responds the same
11:02 < pingfloyd> what does ip addr show now
11:02 < pingfloyd> does it still show state DOWN?
11:03 < wildermind> I still have: nl80211: Could not set interface 'p2p-dev-wlp2s0' UP
11:03 < autopsy> wildermind, its w1p2s0 not wl
11:04 < autopsy> One not El.
11:04 < wildermind> no, my interface is with an El
11:04 < autopsy> You guys have been using El not One.
11:04 < wildermind> wlp2s0    Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr b8:08:cf:e4:b8:35
11:04 < autopsy> Oh ok.
11:04 < pingfloyd> also can you include the entire command verbatim in your pastes please
11:05 < wildermind> verbatim?
11:05 < pingfloyd> means exact copy in this case
11:06 < pingfloyd> that may be common sense, but we've had people here that don't copy and paste their commands but instead retype them different than what they entered
11:06 < wildermind> oh ok, I just use `pastebinit` and it doesn't show the command in it
11:06 < wildermind> from now on i'll manually copy
11:13 < giovdav> Dears all, I'm compiling from source the Magics Library .. but when i type: make i receive this error during compilation https://paste.linux.community/view/2df1d47d ... someone have idea how to solve it? thanks in advance!
11:14 < Abhijit> Hi
11:14 < giovdav> Hi
11:15 < Abhijit> after connecting external monitor my linux has become slow in operation. all 4 cpu cores are in use constantaly. how can I improve performanec? how to make suer my GPU is actualy being used for this?
11:15 < Neobenedict> hetzner take a dump for anyone else?
11:15 < wildermind> pingfloyd: autopsy: any more ideas?
11:15 < pingfloyd> giovdav: do you have the necessary header files installed?
11:16 < pingfloyd> giovdav: a lot of "undefined reference to"
11:16 < pingfloyd> wildermind: did make sure the correct kernel module is loaded?
11:16 < giovdav> pingfloyd: I'm on centos and i have group installed all the Development Tools packages.. i don't understand what package is missing ..
11:17 < well_laid_lawn> Abhijit:  run   top   in a terminal and see what is using the cpu
11:17 < pingfloyd> giovdav: you're probably missing the matching "*-devel" packages.
11:17 < Abhijit> well_laid_lawn, kwin session
11:17 < Abhijit> plasmahell and kwin are two highest users
11:18 < pingfloyd> giovdav: debian and redhat split libraries between their runtime components and headers.
11:18 < pingfloyd> and probably most dists derived from them
11:18 < wildermind> pingfloyd: this is from lsmod: `iwlwifi               270336  1 iwlmvm`
11:19 < pingfloyd> wildermind: that seems right to me
11:19 < giovdav> pingfloyd: I have read that the "undefined reference to" are related to zlib .. but i have installed the headers of zlib .. i have not idea about the correct package to install
11:19 < wildermind> yeah
11:19 < pingfloyd> wildermind: the only issue I've ever encountered with intel wifi is missing firmware.  They're pretty much trouble free usually.
11:19 < giovdav> pingfloyd: how can i determine what is the missing package?
11:19 < well_laid_lawn> Abhijit:  someone in #kde might know
11:20 < Sveta> is there a window manager or other software for linux which puts an app or a process to sleep (like to background, frees cpu and ram from it, but it may be easily resumed) ?
11:20 < pingfloyd> giovdav: see if there is a devel package for libMagPlus
11:21 < wildermind> pingfloyd: do you know how I can maybe update/reinstall the intel firmware?
11:22 < giovdav> pingfloyd: libMagPlus is the library that i'm compiling :/
11:22 < pingfloyd> wildermind: what's lspci -nn | grep Network return>
11:23 < pingfloyd> giovdav: you're probably missing zlib and/or its devel package in this case
11:23 < wildermind> pingfloyd: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:24fd] (rev 78)
11:23 < pingfloyd> giovdav: try finding and installing them
11:24 < pingfloyd> and compile again and see if it gets you past that point
11:25 < pingfloyd> wildermind: what version of ubuntu are you running with?
11:26 < Triffid_Hunter> giovdav: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20593423/undefined-reference-to-inflateinit2
11:26 < wildermind> pingfloyd: 16.04
11:26 < giovdav> pingfloyd: I have installed: zlib and zlib-devel ... now I'm installing also zlib-static ..
11:26 < pingfloyd> that's the problem
11:26 < pingfloyd> that version doesn't include support for that exact model in the kernel
11:26 < pingfloyd> here's a fix I just found https://askubuntu.com/questions/910934/intel-wifi-card-not-recognised-in-ubuntu-16-04?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
11:26 < pingfloyd> exact issue you're having from the sounds of it
11:27 < pingfloyd> two possible fixes depending if you want to upgrade to 17.04 of stay on 16.04
11:28 < wildermind> pingfloyd: so the solution is to manually install upstream kernel?
11:29 < giovdav> Triffid_Hunter: I have already read the post but i don't know where to add the -L option .. i'm running the make command
11:29 < autopsy> wildermind, linux-firmware is the package with firmware.
11:29 < Triffid_Hunter> giovdav: to the linker command in your makefile
11:29 < pingf1oyd> pingfloyd: people seem to think that I'm you :I
11:30 < pingfloyd> pingf1oyd: gee, I wonder why
11:31 < autopsy> pingfloyd, I thought it was Pink Floyd.
11:32 < wildermind> autopsy: I just saw this in /var/log/apt/history.log: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qxHn3T66HM/
11:32 < wildermind> that's arround where the problems started
11:33 < giovdav> Triffid_Hunter: never done before, what file I have to modify?
11:34 < autopsy> wildermind, maybe try upgrade or downgrade the linux-firmware package to something not 1-157
11:34 < p3rL> crontab not working can any one help me ?? >> * * * * * /home/x/run >/dev/null 2>&1
11:38 < wildermind> autopsy: I'll try downloading upstream
11:38 < pingfloyd> wildermind: did you read that link I gave?
11:38 < wildermind> autopsy: should I download 4.16 latest or 4.14 latest? (right now: 4.14.0-041400-generic)
11:39 < wildermind> yeah
11:39 < wildermind> wait, are they really saying there to install 4.10?!
11:41 < pingfloyd> wildermind: I'd probably just upgrade to 17.04
11:41 < autopsy> wildermind, go with 4.16
11:41 < wildermind> ok
11:42 < ice9> when device is connected to a network, which one is communicated first, the IP or the MAC?
11:42 < autopsy> ice9, communicated with what? A DHCP server or ARP?
11:43 < ice9> autopsy, i mean the first thing happens when connecting it physically
11:43 < autopsy> ice9, nothing.
11:43 < ice9> autopsy, when the devices broadcast that it needs an IP
11:44 < autopsy> ice9, the topology is hardware layer IP layer.
11:44 < pingfloyd> ice9: you're conflating layer 2 and layer 3
11:44 < ice9> autopsy, so it gets IP first from the DHCP then the DHCP sends ARP to know the MAC?
11:44 < autopsy> ice9, it sends a request DHCP_DISCOVERY over broadcast.
11:45 < autopsy> The physical layer.
11:46 < autopsy> ice9, why are you asking anyways?
11:46 < autopsy> I have to know.
11:46 < ice9> autopsy, want to learn about it
11:47 < pingfloyd> ice9: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model
11:47 < ice9> pingfloyd, OSI documentation is confusing
11:47 < wildermind> autopsy: in 4.16 it's `linux-image-unsigned` what does the unsigned means? is it fine?
11:48 < kurahaupo> ice9: the MAC of the NIC is embedded in all outgoing packets.
11:48 < ice9> kurahaupo, starting from the broadcasting packet?
11:48  * [gnubie] waves
11:48 < autopsy> wildermind, I don't know what unsigned means.
11:48 < Triffid_Hunter> ice9: the MAC is built in. the first outgoing DHCP request broadcast has the reply MAC in its header
11:49 < kurahaupo> ice9: yes, otherwise the DHCP server couldn't answer
11:49 < Triffid_Hunter> ice9: dial up wireshark and have a play
11:49 < pingfloyd> ice9: http://www.omnisecu.com/tcpip/dhcp-dynamic-host-configuration-protocol-how-dhcp-works.php
11:49 < ice9> Triffid_Hunter, kurahaupo so whey the DHCP sends ARP requests later if it already know the MAC since the initial negotiation?
11:49 < ice9> why*
11:50 < Triffid_Hunter> ice9: some DHCP clients will probe the address that the server offers them to avoid the possibiilty that the server is stupid and trying to cause an IP address conflict
11:50 < [gnubie]> in creating a when condition in ansible, how do you write it in such a way that the task will only execute if it’s the group1[0] or group2[0] or group3[0], basically the first host on any of the groups mentioned with the OR condition?
11:50 < kurahaupo> ARP injection causes more problems than it solves
11:52 < kurahaupo> The client may have declined to accept the address offered, for many reasons, including that a conflicting assignment is detected
11:53 < autopsy> Can't have one without the other.
11:54 < giovdav> I have tried to compile again but whitout success .. also with the package zlib-static i have the same error https://paste.linux.community/view/2df1d47d
11:54 < kurahaupo> Or a quicker offer from a competing DHCP server
11:55 < wildermind> sorry, I need to go to eat I'll be afk for a while
11:55 < kurahaupo> giovdav: reading
11:55 < kurahaupo> wildermind: I'm eating dinner with my IRC client beside me
11:56 < pingfloyd> giovdav: did you install the associated zlib devel package?
11:56 < giovdav> kurahaupo: what?
11:56 < giovdav> pingfloyd: yes
11:56 < giovdav> pingfloyd: zlib and zlib-devel are installed on the server
11:57 < kurahaupo> giovdav: can you show the compiler invocation?
11:57 < pingfloyd> zlib-devel
11:57 < kurahaupo> giovdav: did you include -lzlib or equivalent?
11:58 < autopsy> I bet not.
11:58 < giovdav> kurahaupo: i don't know where is the compiler invocation .. is it in Makefile?
11:58 < kurahaupo> autopsy: it's a rhetorical question
11:58 < kurahaupo> giovdav: yes, if you're using "make"
11:59 < giovdav> kurahaupo: no i haven't included zlib but i have installed zlib-devel
11:59 < kurahaupo> giovdav: but for us, more useful if you show the output of "make" in verbose mode
11:59 < pingfloyd> giovdav: you still didn't answer me, like 2 hours ago
12:00 < kurahaupo> giovdav: just because it's installed doesn't mean it will automatically be used by the linker
12:00 < pingfloyd> remember when I said it looks like you're missing the zlib headers?
12:02 < giovdav> pingfloyd: yes I remember
12:02 < pingfloyd> so do you have zlib-devel installed?
12:02 < kurahaupo> giovdav: (the linker is called "ld" - note that it's mentioned near the end of the output)
12:02 < giovdav> pingfloyd: yes i have it, I have installed also the zlib-static package
12:03 < pingfloyd> why zlib-static instead of zlib package?
12:03 < pingfloyd> to compile you want both the needed libs and their headers.
12:03 < giovdav> pingfloyd: I have installed it in addition just to try ..
12:04 < autopsy> He needs -lzlib in his Makefile under the linker or compiler flags area.
12:04 < giovdav> kurahaupo: yes I have seen, now i try to search in the Makefile the linker area
12:05 < Bl4ckC0r3> hello
12:05 < Bl4ckC0r3> i am ussing manjaro
12:05 < kurahaupo> ✋ autopsy
12:05 < autopsy> wtfisthat?
12:06 < Bl4ckC0r3> i downloaded the nextcloud-client as .appimage
12:06 < autopsy> LOL
12:06 < Bl4ckC0r3> and it wont open
12:06 < giovdav> kurahaupo: but .. I'm in the Makefile now .. and the first line say "CMAKE generated file: DO NOT EDIT!"
12:06 < MrElendig> Bl4ckC0r3: my condolances
12:06 < kurahaupo> Hi5
12:06 < autopsy> Yeah.
12:06 < Bl4ckC0r3> how i open the .appimage. with what program
12:06 < pingfloyd> why appimage?
12:07 < MrElendig> Bl4ckC0r3: but just having a .appimage is pretty useless (and silly)
12:07 < Bl4ckC0r3> i have the option to open with...
12:07 < pingfloyd> you make it executable and run it
12:07 < Bl4ckC0r3> i know .appimage run in container
12:07 < pingfloyd> but first ask yourself if you trust it
12:07 < TheWild> hello
12:07 < Bl4ckC0r3> i did it executable
12:07 < kurahaupo> giovdav: ok, so the first step is to see if manual tweaking fixes it temporarily, then figure out how to tell Cmake to generate it properly. Possibly you can just override with make LDFLAGS=-lzlib
12:08 < TheWild> is there a builtin command that appends system time every input line it reads and outputs it?
12:08 < kurahaupo> Err, make -D LDFLAGS=…
12:09 < MrElendig> TheWild: no
12:09 < TheWild> :(
12:09 < MrElendig> also built into what?
12:09 < Bl4ckC0r3> anyway
12:09 < kurahaupo> TheWild: do you mean timestamps in your shell history?
12:09 < Bl4ckC0r3> thanks for your support
12:09 < autopsy> TheWild, in package moreutils there is something that does that I was reading.
12:09 < MrElendig> you could use the audit system in the kernel or selinux or similar to log every process spawn
12:10 < TheWild> yup, I'm spawning a process and write it's output to file. It doesn't write timestamps by itself.
12:11 < TheWild> not really shell history
12:11 < kopper>  Bl4ckC0r3: Appimage has pretty clear howto on their website's front page
12:12 < sn00bie> i ve an intel system only with bash no xserver or else is the i915 firmware requiered, or is the firmware only for 2d/3d?
12:13 < sn00bie> every boot i got an dmesg error/warning
12:13 < MrElendig> TheWild: sounds like a xyproblem
12:13 < kurahaupo> exec 3> >( while IFS= read -r x; printf '%(%F,%T)T [%s:%d] %s\n' -1 "${##*/}" $$ "$x" ; done >> ~/my.log )
12:13 < kurahaupo> Grr, missed 0
12:13 < MrElendig> sn00bie: since you can see the error, clearly not
12:13 < Triffid_Hunter> TheWild: prepend I hope.. append would look horrendous :P maybe something like yourcommand | ( while read; do echo "[$(date)]" $REPLY; done; )
12:14 < kurahaupo> exec 3> >( while IFS= read -r x; printf '%(%F,%T)T [%s:%d] %s\n' -1 "${0##*/}" $$ "$x" ; done >> ~/my.log )
12:14 < giovdav> kurahaupo: make -D LDFLAGS=-lzlib doesn't work
12:14 < MrElendig> TheWild: what are you actually trying to do?
12:14 < kurahaupo> giovdav: that's why you have to read the Makefile, to find out the precise option that will work
12:14 < TheWild> Triffid_Hunter: lol, you're right. I used a wrong word
12:14 < pingfloyd> giovdav: how is your makefile being generated?
12:15 < TheWild> and wrote actually the same script
12:15 < pingfloyd> I know it's autogenerated somehow by your comment earlier
12:15 < kurahaupo> CMake was mentioned
12:15 < sn00bie> there is no advantage with the i915 firmware?
12:15 < giovdav> pingfloyd: with cmake
12:15 < sn00bie> pc have no monitor conneceted
12:15 < MrElendig> giovdav: pkg-config --libs zlib
12:16 < MrElendig> it was invented for a reason
12:16 < giovdav> MrElendig: -lz
12:16 < MrElendig> then that is what you have to use to link to it
12:16 < MrElendig> cmake should find it on its own though
12:17 < pingfloyd> giovdav: did you run cmake again after install the needed libs and headers
12:17 < MrElendig> see what ccmake says?
12:17 < giovdav> pingfloyd: yes usually i delete the folder and I re-create the build directory
12:17 < MrElendig> mkdir build; cd build; ccmake ..; g; t
12:18 < giovdav> MrElendig: so i need to use the -lz option?
12:18 < pingfloyd> Remember to be in your build directory and point cmake only to the directory containing the top-level CMakeLists.txt file, not the file itself. If all goes well, cmake will process your CMakeLists.txt files, find the location of all libraries and include paths and spew a bunch of configuration information including a traditional Makefile in your build directory. (If you have any familiarity with
12:18 < pingfloyd> autotools/autohell, this cmake process is similar to ./configure).
12:18 < MrElendig> yes, but as said, cmake should deal with it
12:18 < giovdav> something like "make -lz" ..?
12:18 < MrElendig> no
12:19 < MrElendig> see what ccmake says about zlib, if anything
12:19 < MrElendig> don't forget to toggle "advanced" mode
12:20 < pingfloyd> why couldn't they just make their project like a normal person?
12:21 < autopsy> pingfloyd, they want to be different it seems.
12:21 < MrElendig> pingfloyd: cmake is actually somewhat decent
12:21 < pingfloyd> I guess ./configure && make was too easy
12:21 < MrElendig> much nicer than autohell
12:21 < pingfloyd> probably
12:21 < MrElendig> and cmake && make is not that different from ./configure && make :.p
12:22 < pingfloyd> sounds like it
12:22 < MrElendig> might still be a dirty build dir though, specailly if he is using ccache or similar
12:22 < pingfloyd> giovdav: anyway, here's a helpful reference for cmake https://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~adanner/tips/cmake.php
12:22  * MrElendig prefers meson
12:23 < MrElendig> downside is that it breaks coloured gcc/clang output :(
12:23 < giovdav> pingfloyd: thanks is better that i read something .. compile this library is turning in a hell
12:23 < MrElendig> what are you building?
12:23 < giovdav> Magics
12:24 < pingfloyd> giovdav: some become like unravelling a ball of yarn sometimes
12:24 < MrElendig> giovdav: I would test in a clean source dir too just in case
12:24 < MrElendig> giovdav: link to it?
12:24 < MrElendig> is it the vlsi mess?
12:24 < MrElendig> anything involving vlsi is guaranteed to be horrible :p
12:25 < giovdav> MrElendig: https://software.ecmwf.int/wiki/display/MAGP/Installation+Guide
12:27 < MrElendig> seems to rely on the stock cmake scripts, so should just work™
12:27 < giovdav> MrElendig: should ..!
12:27 < pingfloyd> "just works" is like "plug and pray"
12:28 < pingfloyd> when it doesn't just work, it's a big pita
12:28 < MrElendig> hmm works for me
12:28 < MrElendig> how ancient is your zlibs?
12:29 < pingfloyd> libs are handled a little differently on arch than centos though
12:29 < pingfloyd> also, which version of centos is this?
12:29 < MrElendig> the error looks like a version conflict
12:30 < MrElendig> possibly
12:30 < pingfloyd> I'd definitely not rule that out as a cause at this point
12:30 < fooman2011> Hello. I'm trying to start a program (tvheadend) with dbus support, and I get the following error: [  ERROR] dbus: Name error: Connection ":1.51" is not allowed to own the service "org.tvheadend.server" due to security policies in the configuration file     Could you please tell me how to solve this ?
12:30 < giovdav> pingfloyd: i'm using Centos 7
12:31 < MrElendig> full build log would be useful
12:31 < pingfloyd> giovdav: have you tried asking in Centos's or Magic's channel?
12:31 < pingfloyd> maybe there's a caveat that one of them are aware of
12:31 < giovdav> Magics channel doesn't exist
12:32 < pingfloyd> why zlib-static instead of zlib package?
12:32 < pingfloyd> it built fine on MrElendig's system
12:32 < pingfloyd> ignore that one message
12:32 < jaggz> How can I switch to a program with a hotkey?  I'm in KDE and just realized, instead of just desktiops, I should use winkey combinations to change to my apps..
12:32 < giovdav> pingfloyd: I don't know i'm tring to install it on a fresh virtual machine with Centos 7
12:33 < pingfloyd> yeah, that's a good test
12:33 < giovdav> I'm using this command with cmake
12:33 < giovdav> MrElendig: cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/magics -DECCODES_PATH=/opt/eccodes -DPROJ4_PATH=/opt/proj4/ -DEXPAT_INCLUDE_DIR=/usr/lib64/ -DEXPAT_LIBRARY=/usr/lib64/libexpat.so.1 /opt/Magics-3.0.4-Source/
12:34 < pingfloyd> also those extra options may require more libs and headers to be successful
12:35 < giovdav> pingfloyd: my zlib version is zlib-1.2.7-17.el7.x86_64
12:40  * pingf1oyd whispers in pingfloyd's ear
12:42 < jobezone> what's the state with the kernel on relatively recent intel+nvidia laptops (I believe mine is one of those, but not sure)? For example, gdm shows fine running wayland, but gives me a black screen when logging in...
12:42 < jobezone> Trying gnome on X gives the same result.
12:42 < MrElendig> jobezone: the kernel doesn't care
12:43 < jobezone> sh
12:43 < jobezone> ah
12:43 < MrElendig> jobezone: read up on optimus and prime (it is a giant broken mess)
12:43 < jobezone> so it's all due to nouveau driver?
12:43 < MrElendig> optimus doesn't even really work on windows
12:43 < MrElendig> s/prime/primus/
12:43 < jobezone> Did I mess up by getting one with nvidia?
12:44 < MrElendig> anyway, read the logs to find out what the actual issue is
12:44 < jobezone> ok
12:44 < MrElendig> and yes, nouveau doesn't really work well on modern cards
12:44 < jobezone> damn :/
12:44 < MrElendig> normally it would use the intel chip unless you tell it to use the nvidia one though
12:45 < MrElendig> but your <distro> might have decided to do the oposite
12:45 < jobezone> that's my stupidity, I _thought_ I was going to get both intel and nvidia, but now I'm not so sure of the specs
12:45 < MrElendig> also, did you try gnome on xorg instead of wayland?
12:45 < jobezone> yes
12:46 < jobezone> I'm reinstalling again Fedora using a different method, see how it goes
12:46 < MrElendig> test with some simple wm instead
12:46 < MrElendig> (and check the logs)
12:46 < jobezone> mmm
12:46 < MrElendig> since gdm works, it sounds like some wm/de/session issue possibly
12:46 < jobezone> yeah!
12:46 < jobezone> truetrue
12:47 < jobezone> I'll do that
12:47 < jobezone> thanks
12:47 < MrElendig> could also try with startx instead of trough gdm
12:47 < MrElendig> but systemctl -b -u gdm and the xorg log might give hints
12:47 < MrElendig> possibly even wtihout -u gdm
12:47 < jobezone> the problem also is I can't the reach the VTE's
12:47 < jobezone> Just gdm
12:48 < jobezone> I have a feeling that reinstalling using this different method might work... If not, I'll try one of the lesser known distros
12:49 < jaggz> cool.. in kde it's a right-click menu option on the app itself
12:49 < jaggz> to assign shortcut
12:57 < p3rL> how do i set condition if mail cmd work then send mail else not send
12:57 < p3rL> if mail...?
12:57 < p3rL> in bash
12:58 < cheapie> So you want to send mail if the mail command works, otherwise not send it?
12:58 < cheapie> Sounds like you could just try to send and ignore if it fails :P
12:58 < p3rL> yes cause its shows error
12:58 < p3rL> i wanna hide those error
12:58 < p3rL> ./mail: line 29: sendmail: command not found
12:58 < p3rL> ./mail: line 31: mail: command not found
12:58 < p3rL> if mail not installed on server
12:59 < cheapie> Add "2>/dev/null" (without the quotes) to the end of the line if you want to hide errors, just keep in mind it'll hide *all* errors.
13:00 < BluesKaj> Hey folks
13:00 < p3rL> letme try..
13:01 < p3rL> yea not showing eror..
13:01 < p3rL> what if i wanna show
13:01 < p3rL> mail not installed
13:01 < p3rL> echo ?
13:03 < p3rL> cheapie thanks
13:03 < cheapie> mail 2>/dev/null || echo "Error: failed to send mail"
13:03 < mnemon> p3rL: you could do something like command -v mail > /dev/null && <mail command> || echo "mail not found"
13:04 < cheapie> Yeah, mnemon's solution is probably better so you don't eat any errors "mail" gives.
13:05 < p3rL> well i only want to hide the error that solved by cheapie comment.
13:09 < p3rL> how do i hide curl output
13:09 < p3rL>   % Total    % Received % Xferd  Average Speed   Time    Time     Time  Current
13:09 < p3rL>                                  Dload  Upload   Total   Spent    Left  Speed
13:09 < p3rL> 100    12  100    12    0     0     36      0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:--    36
13:12 < conall> Hi. What is the best way to figure out the bottleneck in a "pipeline" command? Eg. 'cat * | grep something | do_thing'
13:12 < Triffid_Hunter> conall: see which one takes the most cpu time
13:14 < conall> Triffid_Hunter: Would that also work for commands that are waiting on disk IO or network IO?
13:15 < Triffid_Hunter> conall: hmm trickier, because waiting for another program to feed stuff into the pipe is basically the same wait state as waiting for stuff to come from a disk or network
13:16 < JamesHarden> hi, is there a GUI email client that lets you colour different emails in the mail pane based on filters?
13:17 < conall> Triffid_Hunter: Is there a column in top/iotop/htop etc that says "This program was blocked for this length of time"? Would that be a good way to figure out the bottleneck?
13:18 < audia5> iam just Reading the news paper some millionaire calls a car company iam coming with helicopter to buy a car , give me place to park my helicopter :)
13:18 < kurahaupo> The bottleneck may vary depending on what else is going on
13:19 < kurahaupo> Eg a process may stall because it's swapped out
13:27 < acresearch> people, i am using ubuntu 16.04 (becase the host only provdes this old version) and i am trying to install keras and tensorflow through sudo apt-get install, but it is failing to find them, very strange because the normal (non server) ubuntu finds them OK. what can i do and why am i facing this problem?
13:28 < Sveta> acresearch: does 'apt update' help you with finding these packages? if not, pastebin the errors that you get,and the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
13:28 < mnemon> acresearch: have you enabled the optional repos?
13:28 < mnemon> in apt sources
13:28 < acresearch> mnemon: no, i never had to, how do i do that?
13:29 < TheWild> ($command 2>&1 | $timestamper) >>$log & echo \$!
13:29 < acresearch> Sveta: https://www.hastebin.com/uweyemerir.nginx
13:29 < TheWild> How to get a PID of $command, and not the whole (...|...) thing?
13:29 < mnemon> acresearch: probably universe/multiverse repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
13:30 < slimmy> Hello. The default password for webmin at port 2000 is 1234567890 for "user". What is it for "admin" though? Thanks in advance
13:31 < acresearch> mnemon: not sure where that in the in list
13:32 < acresearch> mnemon: i mean which one i should change
13:34 < acresearch> Sveta: what about pasting your .list so i can emulate it?
13:35 < Sveta> acresearch: I'm not using ubuntu so I unfortunately can not help much - perhaps I'd suggest to check whether your normal ubuntu install also uses xenial release, and what its sources.list looks like
13:36 < acresearch> Sveta: i use arch, so i cannot find out using my local computer
13:36 < acresearch> who here understanding how to change the sources.list to allow to programs to be installed?
13:37 < Sveta> acresearch: er,you said you have a normal non-server ubuntu install which works nicely, why not steal sources.list from that?
13:39 < acresearch> Sveta: no i had, i switched to arch recently
13:39 < acresearch> but everything i did interms to installing programs worked in ubuntu
13:39 < acresearch> for example, i cannot install python-pip3 here, it cannot find it
13:41 < fattredd> I'm a little late, but if you need a /etc/apt/sources.list from ubuntu I may be able to help
13:43 < fattredd> should I grab if for you?
13:43 < kopper> acresearch: Just leaving this here https://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
13:43 < Sveta> fattredd: take a look at https://www.hastebin.com/uweyemerir.nginx, they don't find tensorflow and keras packages with this
13:43 < Sveta> fattredd: I'm not sure why :)
13:43 < Sveta> fattredd: and they don't find python-pip3 either
13:44 < fattredd> I'll run a diff with my local sources
13:47 < fattredd> Woops. Just realized he's using xenial
13:47 < fattredd> I've upgraded to artful
13:48 < slimmy> wow a cyber hacker so edgy
13:52 < fattredd> acresearch: A line-by-line comparison shows that you aren't missing anything
13:52 < fattredd> I'll post mine for reference anyway
13:53 < fattredd> https://hastebin.com/gaqehubuzu
13:54 < fattredd> acresearch: I guess here's with all to comments if that helps you: https://hastebin.com/xudejugigo
13:56 < BluesKaj> fattredd, any ppas?
13:57 < BluesKaj> err oops
13:58 < BluesKaj> acresearch seems to be long gone
14:02 < fattredd> Oh well. Hope he figures it out
14:07 < BluesKaj> think a lot of debian based users forget about ppas and they can cause dependency problems during upgrades
14:20 < laggger164> Guys, I have a problem with my OS detecting the monitor resolution correctly (KDE to be exact).
14:21 < laggger164> It sticks at 1024x768 and has no option to go 1920x1080
14:21 < laggger164> This happened since I put it through a KVM switch, which is probably the reason why
14:21 < laggger164> When I connect it back directly, it works again
14:21 < laggger164> I tried xrandr to set up a new resolution and it does work, but it goes away when I restart.
14:22 < ayecee> ok
14:23 < iob> lagger164  put the xrandr in the .bash_profile
14:23 < Ryvius> Hello, does anyone know of a method to record the highest recorded temperature, like Realtemp does in Windows? ie. when I'm done playing a game, I can see the highest temps reached
14:23 < laggger164> iob: You mean to script it so it always adds the mode and enables it?
14:25 < iob> lagger164 yes
14:26 < laggger164> iob: The thing is, the mode always gets deleted. So I have to make the mode, add the mode to the output and then switch to it.
14:26 < laggger164> Sounds like a recipe for a lot of problems to me...
14:29 < laggger164> Also, wat da hell? Where is the bash_profile file? Does it not always get automatically generated?
14:32 < BluesKaj> laggger164,it's in dolphin>home>View>hidden files
14:33 < laggger164> there's no .bash_profile file
14:33 < laggger164> Just .bash_history, .bash_logout and .bashrc
14:41 < sn00bie> i use overlayfs and mount rootfs only ro, everything is working except an error in systemctl -.mount status show me error (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: active (mountet) is that usally? i use that script: https://gist.github.com/andyduke/01f6a646520f00772a61e43831bec40b
14:42 < linux_> hi any idea why TOMCAT not run on HTTPS on my centos7 ?
14:47 < kubast2> Does dding a compressed ram device(/dev/zram0) ,returns compressed data or uncompressed?
14:47 < kubast2> my guess is uncompressed but wanna make sure
14:50 < pingfloyd> it will be exactly the contents of zram0
14:51 < pingfloyd> one way to find out for sure though
14:51 < kubast2> yeah gonna check rn
14:52 < kubast2> same checksum so  uncompressed
14:52 < pingfloyd> the thing is, you could use cp directly on the dev like that and it would be the same as using dd
14:53 < kubast2> yeah permissions are only a bit different for other group(readonlydd vs forbiddencp) but other than that it's the same
14:54 < bipul> Is it possible to assign a different IP address inside chroot ?
14:55 < no_gravity> What's a good way to transfer a 20G file between two computers that are sitting next to each other?
14:57 < morf> a wire
14:57 < Pentode> ethernet?
14:58 < bipul> Pendrive
14:58 < no_gravity> The laptop has not ethernet port.
14:59 < acresearch> people i am trying to work with OBS to record videos and stream on linux, but i am having trouble with quality, where can i go to find people who understand OBS on linux?
14:59 < no_gravity> bipul: I don't have a pendrive big enough.
14:59 < Pentode> take the drive out and put it in the other machine
14:59 < Pentode> transfer file, replace drive. done.
14:59 < sn00bie> split the file
14:59 < bipul> Migrate your SATA disk.
15:00 < Pentode> that would be the fastest way at least, if ethernet isn't available.
15:00 < pingfloyd> not the most convenient though
15:00 < Thanos> time to buy a decent thumb drive so it's not a future issue.
15:00 < pingfloyd> yeah, no doubt
15:00 < Ryvius> Split file up in 700MB parts, burn to cds
15:00 < Thanos> lol.
15:00 < pingfloyd> they practically give away 32GB ones
15:01 < Pentode> id rather shoot myself in the foot than use cdr's, lol.
15:01 < pingfloyd> why stop there though, split them so they fit on floppies
15:01 < no_gravity> Let me see if I have an old hard drive somewhere...
15:01 < Thanos> I mean if we want to be really obtuse about it, rar and par it up, upload to usenet, then download from usenet.
15:01 < pingfloyd> should only take a room full of floppy disks
15:01 < Thanos> heh
15:01 < Pentode> lol
15:01 < Pentode> i remember installing slackware packages off of floppies...
15:01 < Pentode> arg
15:02 < pingfloyd> remember what hell slackware got to be at a certain being on floppy?
15:02 < Pentode> and i had those cheap 100 pack floppy disks from compusa
15:02 < Thanos> whats the best distribution for a linux idiot like me
15:02 < Pentode> where every fifth disk had a bad sector somewhere
15:02 < pingfloyd> compusa brand?
15:03 < Pentode> i forget what brand they were
15:03 < pingfloyd> compusa went down hill pretty fast it seems
15:03 < Pentode> yeah they did die fast
15:03 < pingfloyd> compusa went down hill pretty fast it seems
15:03 < pingfloyd> and circuit city
15:03 < Pentode> i got a lot of deals tho when they were liquidating
15:03 < Pentode> i bought two box's of those disks for like 20 bucks
15:03 < pingfloyd> circuit city was like compusa only they tried to sell everything
15:04 < Pentode> circuit city wasnt too bad
15:04 < pingfloyd> circuit city was pretty much like what best is
15:04 < pingfloyd> best buy is
15:05 < pingfloyd> fry's kind of squashes them all though
15:05 < no_gravity> Hmm... found a lot of crazy old shit in my drawers but no harddrive.
15:05 < no_gravity> Where are the Amazon delivery drones when you need them?
15:06 < Pentode> who doesn't have spare hard drives? cmon get with it. ;p
15:06 < pingfloyd> extort one from the neighbor
15:06 < Pentode> just take the drive out and put it in the other machine and transfer the file. it's not _that_ inconvenient. it'll take five minutes.
15:06 < pingfloyd> ask him, "Which is more valuable, your family or this hard drive?"
15:07 < hexnewbie> Hm, contemporary Windows required less floppies than Slackware 1.00, even if you included Microsoft Office 4.x?
15:07 < no_gravity> pingfloyd: They are probably not compatible. And even if they were, I'd rather wait the 4 hours to transfer via wifi.
15:07 < pingfloyd> seeming like hd transplant may end up being your only option here
15:07 < no_gravity> pingfloyd: The HDs are not compatible.
15:08 < pingfloyd> oh
15:08 < triceratux> Thanos: mx-17 https://mxlinux.org/products
15:08 < pingfloyd> should get yourself a 500GB HD (super cheap these days) and a decent enclosure.
15:08 < Thanos> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01E80N2E8  these are awesome
15:08 < SkunkyFone> hexnewbie: definitely not. windows wasn't much, only 6 or 8 floppies, but office was 20+ floppies.
15:09 < pingfloyd> an external HD always comes in handy sooner or later for many different situations
15:10 < no_gravity> Woah! I found a little 32 GB usb stick in one of my drawers!
15:10 < pingf1oyd> just get a cheap 64 gb USB dongle. what's the problem?
15:10 < pingfloyd> watch it be bad
15:10  * pingf1oyd spanks pingfloyd 
15:11 < Psi-Jack> pingf1oyd: Still impersonating pingfloyd ?
15:11 < pingfloyd> Psi-Jack: yeah
15:11 < Psi-Jack> It's really annoying.
15:11 < pingf1oyd> Psi-Jack: I don't see it that way
15:11 < pingfloyd> Psi-Jack: I guess I have a stalker now
15:11 < no_gravity> Now how do I format that thing...
15:11 < no_gravity> ext4?
15:11 < Psi-Jack> Some could even say it's borderline if not absolutely trolling. :p
15:12 < pingf1oyd> Psi-Jack: according to me, we're one of a destined whole made by god to be together forever. This is just one in many step of merging together literally and physically.
15:12 < fattredd> anybody know if their's a way to automate formatting and partitioning?
15:13 < no_gravity> fattredd: via cron?
15:13 < fattredd> lol no
15:13 < Psi-Jack> pingf1oyd: Uh huh.. Please troll elsewhere.
15:13 < fattredd> I was gunna do a bash script
15:13 < misinformed> lol... asking a troll to troll elsewhere...
15:13 < misinformed> interesting strat
15:13 < pingf1oyd> Psi-Jack: there's nothing to fear. I'm 100% sane and haven't had a restraining order or sentence for years now.
15:14 < Psi-Jack> It would be nice for you to get off my planet.
15:14 < Psi-Jack> Troll some other distant universe. :)
15:15 < hendrix> "this planet is too small for two of us"
15:15 < pingf1oyd> Psi-Jack: we will, when me and pingfloyd becomes one physically. We have our own star with our own planet.
15:15 < mnemon> fattredd: yes, it's entirely possible
15:15 < Psi-Jack> fattredd: automate... formatting and partitioning. Well, that depends on what exactly you REALLY want to do.
15:16 < triceratux> pingf1oyd: "pingfloyd & i"
15:16 < mnemon> lvcreate ... && mkfs.yourfs /dev/vg/lv
15:16 < mnemon> with lvm :P
15:16 < pingf1oyd> triceratux: I struggled with that one. Thanks
15:17 < pingf1oyd> triceratux: we and our children will drink rat poison to transcend to our own eternal planet
15:18 < fattredd> I've got a couple HBAs, and I'm using them to wipe a crap ton of HDDs. I want a script to create the array, format it, partition it to ext4, dd some data on, then unmount and delete the array
15:18 < Psi-Jack> Well, at least its a good thing IRC doesn't allow UTF-8 encoded nicknames.
15:19 < pingf1oyd> Psi-Jack: my name would then be a moon and a star and some cryptic looking things. But yeah, that would be more than awful
15:19 < pingfloyd> that's not what he was driving at
15:19 < mnemon> fattredd: if you want to wipe them just dd to the device and ignore partitions and whatever?
15:19 < Psi-Jack> Heh
15:19 < pingfloyd> don't give him any ideas
15:20 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: It won't work anyway, so. :)
15:20 < pingfloyd> an example where utf-8 encoding everywhere isn't necessarily a good thing.
15:20 < fattredd> mnemon: I had tried that, but was getting some issues. dd wouldn't write at full speed
15:21 < pingfloyd> uris are another
15:21 < mnemon> fattredd: did you try fiddling with the blocksize?
15:21 < fattredd> mnemon: No, I hadn't thought of that. Good call
15:22 < mnemon> there's a huge difference in performance and basically the FS would just force that due to the allocation sizes
15:22 < Psi-Jack> * Ԁsᴉ-ſɐɔʞ :Erroneous Nickname
15:22 < Psi-Jack> Heh
15:22 < pingfloyd> Psi-Jack: I bet he's going to try now
15:22 < pingfloyd> he just quit
15:22 < hexnewbie> ASCII ought to be enough for anybody. 😃
15:22 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: I just validated it won't work. :)
15:22 < pingfloyd> hexnewbie: always worked fine for me
15:23 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: But... At least he left. Finally. :D
15:23 < pingfloyd> true
15:23  * Psi-Jack cackles evilly.
15:23 < pingfloyd> hopefully he's become obsessed with trying actually
15:23 < pingfloyd> like he's somehow become obsessed with me for some reason
15:24 < pingfloyd> charm can be a double-edged sword sometimes
15:25 < dTal> pretty amateur using a '1' for 'l'
15:25 < pingfloyd> enough to fool other amateurs out there though
15:25 < hexnewbie> If the audience uses a poor font, it works.
15:26 < dTal> I'd use |
15:26 < dTal> pingf|oyd
15:26 < pingfloyd> it's funny how many screenshots I've seen where people use fonts like that
15:27 < BluesKaj> trying to be cool
15:27 < BluesKaj> or "kewl" in some circles
15:27 < pingfloyd> I kind of have a less is more mentality about fonts these days.  I practically put everything in Deja Vu
15:27 < BluesKaj> yup with Sans here
15:28 < dTal> I must say the default fonts in most linux desktops are lovely these days
15:28 < pingfloyd> many other fonts are kind of pointless and not very good
15:28 < pingfloyd> like fonts I'd never used except maybe in a very specific situation
15:28 < pingfloyd> maybe once, if I'm even that lucky
15:28 < dTal> Konsole comes with 'Hack' by default, which is apparently a minor tweak to Droid Sans Mono
15:29 < dTal> Konversation is in Noto Sans by default
15:29 < pingfloyd> there's a other nice fonts, but their kerning is so horrible
15:29 < pingfloyd> not that deja vu's is perfect, but it's definitely one of the best in that department compared the rest of common foss fonts
15:30 < pingfloyd> like hack and droid look pretty nice, but they need some tweaking.
15:30 < hexnewbie> Roboto's good. Been using it for GUI due to bugs in Deja Vu Sans non-ASCII parts. Even unhinted it doesn't look horrible at certain sizes.
15:42 < widp> will mounting a partition inside my home directory cause any problems?
15:43 < raddy> Hello Everybody
15:43 < john_doe_jr> widp: No but remember that if you have permissions to delete something it will delete everything on the mount point as well.
15:43 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: talked with the kolab codebase owner, urged him to do some kind of announcement
15:43 < revel> widp: depends on what you mount and how and if you have any software for which it will cause problems.
15:43 < raddy> Is there a server clustering concept of quorum applicable Linux
15:44 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: i feel like he still does honestly believe in free software
15:44 < revel> But probably not. Unless you mean directly on $HOME
15:44 < john_doe_jr> widp: I had to learn the hard way when I mounted the root of another linux system onto my home directory and ended up deleting the entire linux machine …that's why I only mount the part of the linux machine that I need at the time from now on.
15:44 < raddy> Do Linux support single quorum disk in Linux ?
15:44 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: but is plagued by the issue of small software shops doing in-house production of a software
15:45 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: aka, not enough developers and clients that are equally small wanting them to do special customizations
15:49 < Psi-Jack> zapotah: Have you gotten any responses?
15:50 < mawk> hi
15:51 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: i did, theyre apparently converting to a CI-deployment model
15:51 < zapotah> or at least they want to
15:51 < zapotah> which would be extremely good community-wise
15:52 < Psi-Jack> I'm fine with that, for sure. But the announcement of them no longer maintaining distribution packages is what got me in high alerts.
15:52 < zapotah> and feature-implementation wise
15:52 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: ah, yeah
15:52 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: funny shit, hes working on modernizing their obs right now :D
15:53 < zapotah> which isnt ofc not that important with anything that is CI
15:53 < zapotah> im guessing the install process will be git at some point
15:54 < zapotah> much like LibreNMS
15:54 < zapotah> he seemed offended from me pointing out the various ways to deliver software but, meh
15:55 < zapotah> just pointed out how a very community-driven model can be achieved with not leaving things in the dark
15:55 < zapotah> but i guess i gave him something to think about
15:56 < zapotah> and hopefully he will make some kind of announcement
15:57 < egonsen> i have a dvb-s2 receiver (dvbsky s960) and i want to test the signal quality. how can i do this?
16:00 < egonsen> join #archlinux
16:01 < Psi-Jack> egonsen: Already there, thanks.
16:01 < pingfloyd> who sucks more? Microsoft, Apple or Google?  I'd throw in Oracle but it would win by a landslide.
16:01 < pingfloyd> win as in being worst
16:02 < pingfloyd> I think of it like Microsoft is the Walmart, Apple the Whole Foods, and Google the Starbucks of software
16:04 < sstory> I am writing a little GUI shortcut helper app to help make a shortcut to a file on a Samba share. At present I can drag and drop the file on the programs window and it will create a .desktop file that works. I am wondering
16:04 < BenderRodriguez> pingfloyd: teach me SELinux
16:05 < sstory> How can I get the appropriate icon based upon file type or extension? I see there is an /etc/mime.types but I don't see how to get the icon used from that
16:05 < pingfloyd> BenderRodriguez: how?
16:05 < BenderRodriguez> i don't know :<
16:06 < pingfloyd> vulcan mind meld?
16:06 < pingfloyd> how great life would be if people could do that
16:06 < pingfloyd> would save so much time
16:07 < pingfloyd> just meld with say Michio Kaku and you know theoretical physics
16:20 < pankaj_> I installed a login manager on my newly installed destro but it shows all square characters rather then text. I checked the locales and it is same as previous installation that i used. Please help about this issue.
16:22 < sstory> pankaj_: No idea, but I wonder could it be missing a font or using the wrong one somehow
16:23 < BenderRodriguez> how does the concept of chrooting work
16:23 < BenderRodriguez> is it possible for me to say, set up a "fake" linux-like filesystem under /home/foo and chroot into that?
16:23 < pankaj_> sstory: Ok, will setfont solve the problem?
16:24 < mawk> BenderRodriguez: chrooting is changing the / directory
16:24 < mawk> you don't need to make a fake filesystem, just use a regular directory
16:24 < sud0x3> BenderRodriguez: Yes but its not fake :)
16:25 < sud0x3> BenderRodriguez: What is the use cae though there may be better ways than using a chroot
16:26 < sud0x3> *the use case
16:27 < sn00bie> how or where can i find the init ramdisk messages? i use an overlayfs script with log_failure_msg, where is the message located?
16:27 < sn00bie> thanks
16:27 < sstory> pankaj_: Sorry, I don't honestly know. I was just giving my initial thoughts on what you are seeing. I have not experienced that problem yet.  Are there no docs for that login manager or a forum for it where people have this problem? Have you Googled for it?
16:28 < pankaj_> sstory: Yes I googled it but people have different views. Moreover the problem is less listed on google.
16:33 < sstory> What login manager is it?
16:34 < sstory> Like biometric or something non-standard to OS?
16:40 < pingfloyd> pankaj_: do you have more fonts installed than previous installation?
16:41 < pingfloyd> pankaj_: this can affect which fonts get picked up as "system defaults"
16:41 < pingfloyd> e.g., 'sans' could match to a different font family than last time
16:41 < pankaj_> pingfloyd: OK. I think I got an idea to solve this. Just 1 minute.
16:44 < phizzy_> Hiya guys!
16:48 < jamesaxl> phizzy_: hello
16:49 < phizzy_> Yay Hi!
16:50 < oleo> sup sup
16:50 < oleo> lol
16:50 < phizzy_> Just playing with my new kernel 4.16.11-gentoo
16:52 < oleo> oh
16:52 < oleo> you a ricer
16:52 < oleo> lol
17:04 < Dr_Coke> Hi people
17:04 < Dr_Coke> What's crack a lacking
17:04 < Dr_Coke> Hi armando
17:04 < Isky> I ain't got no crackas, so I must be.
17:04 < Dr_Coke> lol
17:04 < Dr_Coke> Isky racing cams?
17:05 < Isky> Dr_Coke: Translates to Alex in English. Short for Iskander. (not my real name, either. Long story)
17:05 < Isky> Dr_Coke: but I commend you for knowing that. :D
17:05 < Dr_Coke> Hi rindolf jim triceratux BluesKaj Psi-Jack
17:05 < Dr_Coke> everyone else :)
17:06 < oleo> xandria
17:06 < oleo> so they couldn't spell X properly....
17:06 < Dr_Coke> oleo is your name xandria?
17:06 < oleo> and used isk stead
17:06 < oleo> iskandria -> iskenderun
17:06 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: hi
17:07 < Dr_Coke> oh oleo
17:07 < Isky> oleo: .. omg, how did I never put that together before?
17:07 < Dr_Coke> rindolf how's that coding coming along?
17:07 < oleo> but no idea why Ale got lost
17:07 < oleo> lol
17:07 < triceratux> https://fossbytes.com/routers-hacked-botnet-army-vpnkill-malware/
17:07 < Dr_Coke> triceratux I got to take a piss
17:07 < Dr_Coke> brb
17:08 < Isky> oleo: shortening names is quite common. Especially with borrowed words.
17:08 < oleo> that must be it yah
17:09 < Shakka_47> hi there
17:15 < ayecee> oy, this guy
17:15 < Dr_Coke> hi Shakka_47
17:15 < Dr_Coke> hey hey ayecee
17:16 < Dr_Coke> is systemd really evil?
17:17 < ayecee> no, but your mom is
17:17 < Dr_Coke> lol
17:17 < Isky> I don't know that it's evil.
17:17 < Isky> Remember the quote about stupidity and malice.
17:17 < Dr_Coke> Isky I don't think I've heard that quote
17:18 < ayecee> never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity
17:18 < Isky> Dr_Coke: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. (I'm sure I got that wrong, but it's close.)
17:18 < Isky> ayecee: thank you
17:18 < ayecee> close enough
17:18 < BluesKaj> hi Dr_Coke, no need to share your bodily functions with the room:-)
17:18 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj lol
17:18 < Dr_Coke> How are you man
17:18 < autopsy> What?
17:18 < triceratux> never attribute to your isp that which can be attributed to systemd-resolved
17:18 < triceratux> https://i.imgur.com/B7Ex51z.jpg
17:18 < Dr_Coke> lol
17:18 < BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, doing ok
17:19 < Isky> triceratux: nice
17:19 < Dr_Coke> triceratux that's one hectic background
17:20 < BluesKaj> Isky, sounds about right
17:20 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj are you getting involved in developing KDE yet?
17:20 < BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, no, I'm too old and lazy
17:22 < zarzar> how do i test a SIGTERM handler? i am ssh into the system, but i lose connection so i can't tell if it executes
17:22 < BluesKaj> Dr_Coke, I mainly test Kubuntu dev OSs, for example I'm testing Cosmic 18.10 atm
17:22 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj whens ubuntu 18.10 out
17:23 < Dr_Coke> or rather whens mint 19 out
17:23 < BluesKaj> 18 is the year, 10 is the month
17:24 < BluesKaj> dunno , i don't bother with mint
17:24 < Dr_Coke> oh
17:24 < Dr_Coke> so it's coming in october?
17:24 < BluesKaj> yup
17:26 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj guess what
17:26 < Dr_Coke> there's no stupid notch on the new HTC U12
17:27 < Dr_Coke> and it just got offical
17:27 < Dr_Coke> released
17:29 < BluesKaj> I jdon't live on my phone, it's just an elcheapo alctel , it's good for my needs ..phone calls , some surfing and photos
17:30 < Isky> I definitely live on my phone.
17:30 < BluesKaj> alcatel even
17:31 < BluesKaj> Is well, I'm a different generation than most in here, so I'm not addicted like yours is
17:32 < BluesKaj> Isky,^
17:32 < kernel_mutex> hi
17:32 < Pentode> hi
17:32 < kernel_mutex> I'm compiling ndk project with clang + llvm. I guess some instructions are incorrectly emitted by llvm.
17:32 < Isky> BluesKaj: I'm 43. not sure which generation I fit with - my 21 year old son claims I'm part of his generation, not my own. :P
17:32 < kernel_mutex> is that issues with those tool-chains ?
17:33 < kernel_mutex> I have looked into the disassembly and find some instructions are garbage
17:33 < kernel_mutex> anyone here using clang + llvm ?
17:33 < BluesKaj> Isky, well I'll be 75 in a few weeks so I think your son is probly right
17:34 < Dr_Coke> lol BluesKaj
17:34 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj  75 and helping the kubuntu project that's amazing
17:35 < Dr_Coke> I never knew anyone that age that was into computers really
17:35 < Isky> My dad is 70, and he's the reason I'm a geek.
17:35 < kernel_mutex> hi
17:36 < kernel_mutex> anybody using clang + llvm ?
17:36 < BluesKaj> not really, it's my hobby since retirement ..worked with application pcs since the early 80s
17:36 < twainwek> asking your actual question rather than surveying is usually more fruitful
17:36 < BluesKaj> Isky,^
17:36 < Isky> My grandma on the other side was pretty power user, as well. Listening to her fight with her cable ISP reps was pretty funny.
17:36 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj that's awesome and so is your dad Isky
17:37 < Happyhobo> I'm too sexy for my linux, too sexy for my linux
17:37 < Isky> BluesKaj: He bought me a solder-it-yourself acoustic coupler for my 11th birthday, and a soldering iron. <3
17:37  * Some_Person wonders if there's some way to set up some kind of graphical Linux environment in some kind of VM or container on a server (docker?) that's somehow accessible from a web browser with little lag and audio support
17:37 < Dr_Coke> lol so is your grandma Isky
17:37 < Isky> Dr_Coke: I dunno.. she was a crazy .. oh, I'm not allowed to cuss here.
17:37 < BluesKaj> Isky, yup there's a few of us around including your grandma :-)
17:38 < Dr_Coke> Happyhobo what distro are you to sexy for
17:39 < zarzar> how much can i do in a SIGTERM handler function?
17:42 < twainwek> a lot
17:42 < zarzar> i mean in a real shut down scenario, shutdown -h now
17:43 < sn00bie> hi, i wrote an small program that start at boot time with systemd, now my question why can i overwrite the executabel program during "running" it is not necessary to stop it in forehand
17:43 < zarzar> is there a limit to what should be done? time wise...
17:43 < sn00bie> is the prg complete running in ram?
17:48 < zarzar> if my process handles files on an sd card, should ym sugterm handler execute sync()?
17:48 < BluesKaj> ok, time to cut the back lawn...BBL
17:48 < Dr_Coke> cya man
17:48 < zarzar> ***if my process handles files on an sd card, should my sigterm handler execute sync()?
17:51 < d0rsia> hi
17:55 < ayecee> zarzar: shouldn't make a difference. the file is being closed.
17:55 < Pentode> zarzar, it would be good common courtesy but it's not necessary. the device should sync when unmounted anyway.
17:55 < zarzar> ok cool
17:56 < n-iCe> guys, the time in my machine in xfce is correct but on websites like facebook chat whatsapp etc, its a wrong time, any idea why?
17:56 < ayecee> temporal anomaly
18:01 < n-iCe> ayecee: any idea how to fix it
18:01 < ayecee> tachyon pulse
18:01 < ayecee> sorry, _inverse_ tachyon pulse
18:02 < n-iCe> uhm hwclock --show says the wrong time
18:02 < Pentode> well set it then
18:02 < n-iCe> hwclock --systohc
18:04 < n-iCe> done
18:04 < Pentode> see, just when you thought you needed help. ;p
18:05 < Pentode> had you used a tachyon pulse who knows what sort of temporal anomaly's would ensue...
18:06 < Pentode> your computer may have ended up on the other end of the universe
18:06 < ayecee> if i had a nickel for every time that happened to me...
18:06 < Pentode> isn't that how you got here?
18:06 < ayecee> heh
18:12 < faLUCE> hello, how can I execute  ( 4 / 2 + 2 ) / 3  on CLI ?
18:12 < faLUCE> (bash/terminal)
18:12 < fattredd> echo $((( 4 / 2 + 2 ) / 3 )
18:12 < faLUCE> thanks fattredd
18:13 < Psi-Jack> $(( ... ))
18:13 < Psi-Jack> But it will not be accurate to float precision.
18:13 < Psi-Jack> If you want accuracy, use bc
18:13 < solidfox> I love bc
18:14 < solidfox> you can pipe the expression into it to evaluate inline (without interactive interface)
18:15 < fattredd> ^^^ Yeah bc is better. Also I copy/pasted wrong. I'm missing some parenteses
18:15 < solidfox> echo "ibase=16; BFFFFFE7" | bc
18:15 < solidfox> I wish it supported lowercase for hexadecimal
18:15 < solidfox> but I think it may use lowercase for higher bases possibly
18:15 < Psi-Jack> echo 'scale=4; (4/2+2)/3' | bc
18:16 < Psi-Jack> bc powder, apply directly to the forehead.
18:16 < fattredd> still would be nice. For hex 0xA should == 0xa
18:16 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, nice
18:16 < Psi-Jack> heh
18:16 < Psi-Jack> Mixing two products together. :)
18:18 < fattredd> Hey anybody know how to change the font in tty?
18:18 < fattredd> Default is awful
18:18 < solidfox> fattredd, you could try using a gui and a terminal emulator
18:18 < solidfox> fattredd, such as twm
18:18 < fattredd> I've got a box with no gui though
18:19 < solidfox> or i3
18:19 < ayecee> i've got a horse with no name
18:19 < Thanos> Q:   Would the fact that the NSA is using Ubuntu make it more or less secure in your opinions?
18:19 < fattredd> It's normally headless, so i'd hate to have to install xorg and junk
18:19 < ayecee> Thanos: neither.
18:19 < Psi-Jack> Thanos: No bearing.
18:19 < solidfox> Thanos, more secure.
18:19 < ayecee> the NSA drinks coffee, but it doesn't make coffee more secure.
18:19 < NemeXis> I think NSA just doesn't want to pay for microsoft linceses
18:19 < NemeXis> :))
18:20 < Thanos> the FBI also apparently uses Ubuntu
18:20 < solidfox> nice
18:20 < solidfox> wish I worked for the FBI or NSA
18:20 < solidfox> then I could use ubuntu at work
18:20 < solidfox> instead of microsuck windick
18:20 < ayecee> make your wish reality
18:20 < NemeXis> =))
18:20 < Psi-Jack> Thanos: Still no bearing. Move along.
18:20 < Thanos> https://i.imgur.com/brn3Xq3.jpg
18:21 < fattredd> I run linux with a Win10 VM at work
18:21 < solidfox> ayecee, how though. they want to hire smart, qualified people. I am neither.
18:21 < solidfox> ayecee, I have an iq of around 85
18:21 < ayecee> change that. easy peasy.
18:22  * Some_Person wonders if there's some way to set up some kind of graphical Linux environment in some kind of VM or container on a server (docker?) that's somehow accessible from a web browser with little lag and audio support
18:22 < NemeXis> @solidfox do some math
18:22 < ayecee> just need to study harder for that iq test :)
18:22 < solidfox> lol ok
18:22 < solidfox> I actually don't know my iq, that was just a guess :p
18:23 < fattredd> Some_Person: Are you looking for VNC?
18:23 < solidfox> Some_Person, you could implement remote desktop connection over javascript and websockets
18:23 < Psi-Jack> heh
18:23 < Psi-Jack> solidfox: Right smack dab in the perfectly average average, eh?
18:24 < ayecee> 100 is average, innit
18:24 < hexnewbie> There are web SPICE clients
18:24 < Psi-Jack> Between 71 and 114 is average.
18:24 < ayecee> i see
18:25 < Psi-Jack> Then again, 80-89 is dullness, 90-109 is normal/average.
18:25 < ayecee> it's all a rich tapestry
18:25 < Psi-Jack> Eh, well, last time I did one, which was last year, was at 151.
18:26 < pingfloyd> I've known people with high IQ that are actually pretty dumb
18:26 < pingfloyd> like can't even tie their own shoe laces
18:26 < ayecee> i don't think i've done one
18:26 < Isky> we're just dumb faster :P
18:26 < Some_Person> fattredd: VNC doesn't support audio, at least I don't think it does
18:26 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: Why waste time with tying shoelaces when you can have someone else do so, while you fill your head with more useful things? ;)
18:27 < solidfox> yeah
18:27 < Psi-Jack> ayecee: They're kinda wierd. :)
18:27 < solidfox> no need to even tie shoes or have someone else tie them
18:27 < solidfox> high iq people where velcro strap shoes
18:27 < solidfox> they're busy
18:27 < Isky> or just get velcro or slip ons.
18:27 < compdoc> VNC barely supports the clipboard between systems
18:27  * Isky nods.
18:27 < solidfox> Isky, yes. or slip ons
18:27 < Psi-Jack> Well, I tie my own shoes. Because, slipons just don't work for me.
18:28 < pingfloyd> you can't be all that bright if you wear velcro strap shoes
18:28 < Isky> It depends on what I'm doing or what else I'm wearing.
18:28 < Psi-Jack> Though, I do generally keep them tied, and slip them on anyway. LOL
18:28 < Isky> pingfloyd: or you're brilliant! :P
18:28 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, so that's -51 right there. you're back at 100
18:28 < solidfox> Psi-Jack, jk :)
18:28 < pingfloyd> that's probably even worse than wearing untied shoes
18:28 < Isky> I have boots. They lace/tie, but also zip up the sides.
18:29 < pingfloyd> the smart people are aware of "double knots"
18:29 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: Indeed. LOL
18:29 < pingfloyd> then you only have to tie your shoes once ever
18:29 < solidfox> pingfloyd, I'm just saying high iq people are not gonna waste their time on tying shoes when there's velcro which is more efficient and easier.
18:29 < Isky> pingfloyd: actually, there's a way to do it that comes out when you pull, but doesn't come out on its own. Much better then double knots.
18:29 < solidfox> pingfloyd, you don't see high iq people using primitive tools because it takes more hard work right?
18:29 < Isky> solidfox: I have a pretty high IQ. I tie my shoes. It doesn't take that long. :P
18:30 < poptix> i either double knot my shoes or just don't tie them
18:30 < Psi-Jack> pingfloyd: The real trick is knowing how to do the double-knotted bow properly, and not the wrong way that will easily undo itself.
18:30 < poptix> that entirely depends on how long the resulting laces are.
18:30 < ntd> solidfox, such people don't tie their necktie either? wear velcro shoes with a suit?
18:30 < Isky> ntd: there are ties that zip (like a zipper. its pretty cool)
18:30 < ayecee> there should be more velcro ties
18:30 < Isky> and clip ons
18:30 < NemeXis> or slippers
18:30 < solidfox> ntd, I super glued my shoes onto my feet
18:31 < solidfox> ntd, I shower with em on and everything
18:31 < Some_Person> solidfox: Maybe something like that... does something exist for that already?
18:31 < Isky> the zipper ties aren't as bad as clip ons. :P
18:31 < solidfox> Some_Person, unlikely
18:32 < pingfloyd> ntd: lol
18:32 < solidfox> ntd, its because I always put them on the wrong feet, so this way I won't be holding people up comparing my shoes on my feet to theirs and switching them a few times.
18:32 < pingfloyd> ntd: yeah, they're the clip on type
18:32 < Psi-Jack> Okay, Zipper ties are awesome looking.
18:32 < pingfloyd> ntd: there's something even worse than any of that though.  The clip on bow tie.
18:33 < pingfloyd> ntd: that's like double dumbass on them
18:33 < Isky> Psi-Jack: I used to buy them for my kid when he was little, because he hated clip ons, but I hated trying to get a real tie on him and he wanted ties. I found out they had adult ones and bought him some for his last birthday. He loves them.
18:34 < Psi-Jack> Isky: Yeah. I just watched a youtube video about them because I'd never heard of them, and I /hate/ tying ties.
18:34 < pingfloyd> solidfox: doesn't it just feel wrong when you put your shoes on the wrong feet?
18:35 < solidfox> pingfloyd, yeah
18:35 < Psi-Jack> Welp. Lunching time. :)
18:35 < solidfox> pingfloyd, I wasn't being serious
18:35 < jim> I have 10 feet... how could I possibly get THAT wrpng...
18:35 < pingfloyd> I suspected you weren't
18:35 < solidfox> pingfloyd, still trying to joke about me being dumb. I know. not funny. sorry :P
18:35 < pingfloyd> I knew a guy who used to put his shoes on backwards though
18:36 < pingfloyd> it looked funny
18:36 < pingfloyd> I don't know how he didn't notice
18:36 < hexnewbie> I learned to tie ties when I was 5, and then erased any memory of it by 10 and haven't re-learned how to do it since. Good thing to do ditch for more free space in /home
18:36 < solidfox> strange
18:36 < pingfloyd> hexnewbie: same here
18:37 < pingfloyd> hexnewbie: I forgot how to tie a tie as soon as I wasn't force to attend church anymore.
18:37 < pingfloyd> forced*
18:39 < pingfloyd> if the occasion arise where I need to wear a tie, I'll just refresh with some howto out there
18:39 < pingfloyd> there's actually a couple of different ways to tie them too
18:40 < pingfloyd> single windsor or double windsor for instance
18:50 < toothe> is there a way to say 'anything else until the end of the line' ?
18:51 < fendur> toothe: .*$
18:52 < throstur> If I renice a process with children, what is the effect on child processes? I notice for example that you can renice chromium --type=gnu-process but nice values of all the leaves of this node in htop have unchanged niceness and priority
18:52 < fendur> toothe: I assume you mean regex
18:52  * toothe tries.
18:52 < toothe> yes, pardon.
18:52 < toothe> i didn't specify.
19:01 < uplime> fendur: the $ is unnecessary
19:01 < uplime> .* goes to end of line anyways
19:01 < fendur> uplime: thanks
19:06 < lohfu> i need want to replace the 2 4TB drives in a RAID 1 array with 8 tb drives and expand the fs. should i use mdadm to add the new drives and then remove the old ones, or can i unmount the array and use dd to clone the drives?
19:07 < secuvim> adding and removing can take quite a lot of time
19:08 < lohfu> dd would work?
19:08 < secuvim> can you use a second device
19:08 < secuvim> or connect 4 drives
19:08 < berz3rk> Im not sure whats the issue but my system wont boot anymore.. and I see the error "Error clock recovery failed" by radeon driver
19:08 < secuvim> and create a new raid
19:08 < berz3rk> any idea?
19:08 < lohfu> i can connect 4 drives
19:08 < secuvim> than creating a new raid1 would be faster
19:10 < lohfu> i should maybe have said i have LVM on top of the 2 RAID 1 arrays... would it still be easier to create a new array and move the LVM physical volume from old array to the new?
19:11 < berz3rk> paragon filesystem drivers killed my linux system
19:11 < berz3rk> thank you paragon.. fuck u
19:11 < secuvim> lohfu: as it is just data this shouldn't be no problem
19:12 < pingfloyd> lohfu: the 2 arrays are in the same VG?
19:12 < pingfloyd> is that what you're saying?
19:13 < lohfu> pingfloyd: yes
19:13 < maryo> Hello Guys, while starting the artifactory service in linux I get an error "I am getting "Job for artifactory.service failed because a configured resource limit was exceeded." and the artifactory service is getting failed to start. Any advice on this on how to get this fixed?" Any pointers would be helpful.
19:13 < lohfu> well i think. i'm new to LVM. i created a PV on both arrays, and added both PV to the same VG
19:14 < jim> berz3rk, I understand how that can be frustrating... and... please watch the language while you're here
19:14 < pingfloyd> lohfu: you could use pvmove
19:14 < bipul> Hello, Do anyone here has experienced installing PostgreSQL inside chroot. ? I have tried installing inside chroot via "apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib" but still unable to found postgres account inside it
19:14 < lohfu> pingfloyd: nice, thats where some googling led me
19:15 < pingfloyd> that's one of the lesser realized pluses of LVM
19:15 < lohfu> secuvim: pingfloyd thanks
19:16 < hexnewbie> maryo: If not confidential, can you pastebin the output of: systemctl cat artifactory.service
19:16 < pingfloyd> you're welcome
19:16 < maryo> hexnewbie, https://dpaste.de/5F5P/raw
19:18 < hexnewbie> bipul: Chroot shouldn't be different from non-chroot, except systemd services won't be able to start inside, so you'd have to create a service on the outside with RootDirectory=. User creation during distro package installation shouldn't be affected if installation didn't fail
19:20 < hexnewbie> maryo: How about: journalctl -u artifactory -n60 | cat
19:23 < maryo> hexnewbie, https://dpaste.de/j4Fj
19:26 < hexnewbie> maryo: It seems that the program thinks it is already running, so run ‘systemctl stop artifactory’, kill all running artifactory processes, then ‘systemctl reset-failed artifactory’, then run ‘journalctl -u artifactory -f’ in one terminal, and ‘systemctl start artifactory’ in another.
19:27 < subleq> If I have a read() blocking on a tcp socket, and the tcp connection is reset, how is that reported to the application?
19:27 < maryo> hexnewbie, is there a quick way to find all running artifactory processes?
19:28 < CrazyTux> hello, which kernel versions are patched against spectre and meltdown vulnerabilities?
19:28 < hexnewbie> maryo: pgrem, ps and grep, just ps, and pstree
19:29 < hexnewbie> maryo: Er, pgrep not pgrem. grep or pgrep implies you know how they are called
19:29 < hexnewbie> pgrep probably won't work, as I expect the process to be called 'java', which will produce false positives.
19:30 < maryo> hexnewbie, here is something that I see https://dpaste.de/MsKp
19:31 < hexnewbie> kill 1153 ought to work, also possibly ‘pkill -u artifactory’ if you're feeling lucky
19:31 < dgurney> CrazyTux: anything non-ancient
19:31 < hexnewbie> Er: kill 1153 1513
19:31 < bipul> hexnewbie, I sorry i don't get you?
19:31 < hexnewbie> Anagram PIDs are a curse.
19:33 < zapotah> CrazyTux: something non-eol and newer than two months
19:34 < CrazyTux> ok
19:34 < dgurney> yeah, basically as an end-user, you should not need to worry about it at all, provided your distro is fully updated
19:35 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Meltdown patches arrived January, right after New Year. Spectre patches arrived later, maybe February or even late January, but got improved over time, so the newer the better.
19:36 < maryo> hexnewbie, perfect it helped (kill 1153 1513) and then I did "systemctl reset-failed artifactory". But just wondering what the last command does?
19:36 < prussian> systemctl kill --signal=whatever service
19:36 < prussian> why are you killing with kill?
19:37 < CrazyTux> ok. Then, which distro and which version should I choose?
19:37 < maryo> prussian, noted thank you
19:38 < secuvim> CrazyTux: For some distros a recent version of the intel microcode package is also required (intel-ucode)
19:38 < dgurney> CrazyTux: I'm having a slight deja vu moment here, it feels like you've asked what distro to pick before
19:38 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Another CPU-related vulnerability (POP SS / MOV SS) got fixed on March 28 in Linux, and there's SPECTRE variant 4 that got disclosed a week ago.
19:39 < CrazyTux> ok. Just want to be sure whether I am using a distro that is protected against these vulnerabililties.
19:40 < secuvim> Any widely used distro with automatic security updates should be ok
19:41 < brent__> Probably not the best question, but figured linux users may have best knowledge of curl
19:41 < brent__> If docs say to use  the following command curl -u USER_ID:API_KEY https://
19:41 < CrazyTux> secuvim, please suggest some.
19:41 < brent__> if i wasn't using curl and some other request library, how  would it expect user_id and api_key to be included?
19:42 < hexnewbie> Er, the thing from last week goes by the name of SSB, and should have got some patches on May 22.
19:48 < Dagmar> brent__: Perhaps carrier pigeons
19:51 < VlanX> Hello, I'm trying to figure something about user permissions. I would prevent every permission to an user, except of running a single script. Is this feasible?
19:51 < danieldg> VlanX: yes, it's common for a git server to do things like that by restricting ssh keys
19:52 < VlanX> danieldg: what would you suggest me to look up on google for this?
19:52 < danieldg> gitorious
19:53 < danieldg> or just the sshd manpage
19:55 < VlanX> thanks!
20:02 < felix_vs> Are there native Mail Client programs for GNU/Linux distros? (other than Thunderbird)
20:03 < meyou> mutt
20:03 < dTal> felix_vs: tons and tons
20:04 < felix_vs> dTal: I would like to hear what folks here are using :-)
20:06 < bls> claws, mutt, pine, evolution
20:08 < felix_vs> bls: Do any of: claws, mutt, pine, evolution Mail Clients support Vim text editor mode?
20:10 < Psi-Jack> You know. vim bindings are nice and all, but... It's not great /everywhere/. In fact, most places besides vim it kinda sucks.
20:10 < bls> mutt and pine just call out to what ever editor you want
20:10 < bls> no clue about the others, never used them
20:11 < infinisil> Psi-Jack: what about evil?
20:11 < Psi-Jack> What about it?
20:11 < infinisil> How good are its vim bindings?
20:11 < Psi-Jack> No clue.
20:11 < infinisil> Ah
20:12 < infinisil> I thought I heard people say evil has some of the best vim equivalent bindings
20:13 < bls> I've also heard people that are heavy vim users complain that nothing is 100% compatible and their favorite fringe feature isn't implemented so they don't use it. all comes down to personal preference
20:13 < infinisil> I am in fact using it, but I'm not using any advanced vim features, so I'm not sure how far it goes
20:14 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:14 < Psi-Jack> vscode has vim bindings support. I tried it. I hated it.
20:14 < Psi-Jack> I tried vi mode in bash & zsh, REALLY hated it.
20:14 < bls> I'm fine with vi bindings in vi-likes, generally prefer readline/emacs everywhere else
20:15  * bls waits for that guy to come in and rage about how awesome vim is and how awful all other vi clones are
20:16 < fattredd> I prefer sublime-text
20:17 < Psi-Jack> Sublime Text was okay, until better alternatives came out.
20:17 < fattredd> I dunno, it still flies with big files, yet has all the std keybinds you expect
20:17 < Psi-Jack> It has sexually transmitted diseases?
20:17 < Psi-Jack> Yikes! No thank you!
20:17 < fattredd> hue hue
20:20 < Psi-Jack> And sure, it's definitely fast. The main thing I don't like about Sublime Text though is the plugins that cost money in addition to sublime text itself. The lack of intuitive UI in terms of everything else other than the editor itself, etc.
20:22 < Psi-Jack> Its like the opposite of emacs in that regard. Great Text Editor, just lacks a decent OS. :)
20:22 < bls> I've watched people use it, and I've found most of the features they like about it can be accomplished with external tools, regexps, etc. sure it's nice to have them as a first class feature in your editor, but then how do you accomplish the same things outside of it?
20:22 < CrazyTux> hello, is this patched for spectre and meltdown? linux-image-4.15.0-1-amd64
20:23 < Psi-Jack> CrazyTux: https://github.com/speed47/spectre-meltdown-checker
20:23 < notmike> Man, the AMD DC/DAL patch was giving me so much trouble. I just kept getting a blank screen no matter how much I clit the moose or topped or whatever. Couldn't even open a terminal.
20:23 < Psi-Jack> notmike: You what the moose?
20:23 < Psi-Jack> You were topped by the moose's clit?
20:24 < notmike> Yes, exactly
20:24 < Psi-Jack> Scarey.
20:24 < notmike> It caused my Linux kernel to run very hot
20:24 < notmike> Very hot
20:24 < eset> could someone please take a look and explain what E'm I missing: https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/57b3f7a3
20:24 < eset> I will be grateful
20:25 < Psi-Jack> ls -l /usr/lib/libodbcinst.so.2.0.0
20:26 < ayecee> eset: did you create the link manually?
20:26 < Dr_Coke> Is anybody fully lit
20:27 < eset> ayecee: yes
20:27 < eset> Psi-Jack: just a second
20:27 < ayecee> eset: probably shouldn't do that.
20:27 < eset> ayecee: probably but this lib was missing afterall
20:27 < ayecee> install the lib then
20:27 < Psi-Jack> LOL
20:28 < Psi-Jack> After diagnosing that the output didn't even include /usr/lib/ at all, I figured that.
20:28 < eset> Psi-Jack: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 69440 May  6  2014 /usr/lib/libodbcinst.so.2.0.0
20:28 < jim> notmike, what happens when your kernel runs hot?
20:28 < eset> ayecee: but I already have in /usr/lib
20:28 < hexnewbie> eset: That's probably the wrong architecture. The listing in your paste is *not* of /usr/lib, right?
20:29 < eset> have it*
20:29 < jim> eset, you trying to compile something?
20:29 < ayecee> eset: where did you get it?
20:29 < Dr_Coke> jim lol
20:29 < Dr_Coke> what happens when your kernel runs hot?
20:29 < hexnewbie> eset: In which directory did you run the ls -l command from your paste, and does /usr/lib/libodbcinst.so.2.0.0 exist?
20:30 < eset> hexnewbie: you mean the first line listing ? is from  /usr/lib/oracle/12.2/client64/lib/
20:30  * ayecee backs away slowly
20:30 < eset> hexnewbie: yes it exist. Psi-Jack ask me for that listing so I gave it. "< eset> Psi-Jack: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 69440 May  6  2014 /usr/lib/libodbcinst.so.2.0.0"
20:30 < hexnewbie> eset: So you symlinked a 32 bit library inside the private library of some tool that probably wants  a 64 bit library
20:31 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:31 < eset> hexnewbie: Hm you probably right :o ..
20:31 < eset> damn it
20:31 < Dr_Coke> eset don't worry what's the worst that could happen
20:31 < kekePower> Are there any gains or pros using C standard c11 vs c99?
20:32 < Psi-Jack> kekePower: ##c?
20:32 < eset> Dr_Coke: but I was trying to solve that as quick as possible when doing other important stuff
20:32 < ayecee> kekePower: yes
20:32 < kekePower> Psi-Jack: And I thought you guys knew everything...
20:32 < Dr_Coke> eset oh right
20:32 < Psi-Jack> kekePower: Get out.
20:32 < EvilRoey> heyyyyyy
20:32 < Psi-Jack> LOl
20:32 < EvilRoey> https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/05/24/1750210/robin-roblimo-miller-a-long-time-voice-of-the-linux-community-has-passed-away
20:32 < Dr_Coke> lol
20:32 < eset> ok so I need to find libodbcinst.so.2 for x64 architecture
20:32 < Psi-Jack> kekePower: Seriously. ##c is for C questions, ##linux is for Linux questions. :p
20:33 < kekePower> sure thing
20:33 < MrVoltz> Hi, I have upgraded kernel from 4.10 to 4.16.11 and I have trouble with my IR remote. It is a remote for my TV, not MCE. In dmesg I see:  nuvoton-cir 00:04: found NCT6779D or compatible: chip id: 0xc5 0x62, rc rc0: lirc_dev: driver nuvoton-cir registered at minor = 0, but ir-keymap -t and cat /dev/lirc0 both don't output anything.
20:33 < MrVoltz> On 4.10 it worked fine.
20:33 < Dr_Coke> kekePower be funny if you find Psi-Jack in ##c as well
20:33 < kekePower> Dr_Coke: heh
20:33 < Psi-Jack> I'm not. Not today.
20:34 < Dr_Coke> oh
20:34 < Psi-Jack> Besides, I do C++, not C. :)
20:34 < Dr_Coke> oh
20:40 < eset> guys.. that's unfortunate https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/2c71b1ff
20:40 < eset> Segmentation fault :/
20:41 < hexnewbie> eset: Did you install this library from distro pacakge, or copy from somewhere?
20:41 < Dagmar> Don't tamper with libraries
20:42 < fattredd> Has anybody delt with sas2ircu before?
20:42 < ayecee> one way to find out is to ask a question about sas2ircu
20:42 < fattredd> I guess that's fair
20:44 < eset> hexnewbie: got only those https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/ebda99b3
20:45 < jim> fattredd, give us lots of informative details as you ask... the more we know, the more we can potentially comment and maybe even help
20:45 < fattredd> I'm running into issues with some drives I have on my LSI HBA. I've created an IR Volume and am unable to format it. I get all kinds of disk async errors. So I'm trying to track down the bad disk. SAS2IRCU has a command, CONSTCHK, that I'm trying to run.
20:45 < hexnewbie> eset: If that provides /usr/lib64/libodbcinst.so.2 you don't need to symlink it anywhere
20:46 < fattredd> It's throwing an error too: IocStatus = 8 IoxLogInfo = 0
20:46 < fattredd> Is there a better what to do what I'm doing?
20:46 < hexnewbie> eset: Was that file there before you created this last symlink, or did you just install it? What happens without any such symlinks?
20:47 < jim> fattredd, what I have so far: you're trying to write a filesystem onto (some kind of) volume, and you're getting what look like hardware disk errors
20:48 < fattredd> Right
20:48 < eset> hexnewbie: I didn't had libodbcinst.so.2 un /usr/lib64 only in /usr/lib/ You were right i was missing x64. So I did an installation of Package unixODBC.x86_64 0:2.2.14-14.el6 will be installed
20:49 < jim> ok... I'm not familiar with the hardware you have... TMA (too many acronyms)
20:49 < eset> then I have that libodbcinst.so.2 => /usr/lib64/libodbcinst.so.2 (0x00007f7e7356a000)
20:49 < eset> you were also right, I didn't had to make symlink
20:49 < eset> so I unlinked the symlink of libodbcinst.so.2 from /usr/lib/oracle/12.2/client64/lib/libsqora.so.12.1
20:50 < eset> I run ldd once again
20:50 < eset> and it found libodbcinst.so.2
20:50 < eset> but running dltest again still the same error
20:50 < eset> Segmentation fault
20:51 < fattredd> jim, Sorry. I've got a RAID card from a company called LSI. It's got a proprietary control program called sas2ircu
20:51 < jim> a segmentation fault is some kind of memory access error
20:52 < jim> fattredd, are there alternatives for the proprietary control program?
20:52 < fattredd> jim, I'm honestly not sure how to find out
20:53 < eset> hexnewbie: https://paste.linux.community/view/raw/cf949d34
20:53 < eset> do be more accurate
20:53 < jim> can you find the raid card in lspci -nn?
20:54 < fattredd> Indeed I can
20:54 < jim> ok, can you show the line from that listing identifying your card?
20:54 < notmike> jim: I feel all hot and bothered
20:54 < sn00bie> i ve a program that is started from systemd, i can replace the prg still it is running, why? is it complete in ram? if i execute it with ./ it isnt possible....
20:55 < jim> notmike, heated kernels can do that
20:55 < hexnewbie> eset: Segmentation faults can be debugged with gdb, but I suspect some kind of incompatibility between oracle 12.2 and your distros' libraries - is your distro version supported by whatever Oracle client you extracted there?
20:55 < fattredd> jim, https://hastebin.com/acaguporok.m
20:56 < `Guest00000> is there a setting to get bash to output a string after each entered command?
20:56 < eset> hexnewbie: I'm afraid not. And I think I should lover the Oracle to 11
20:57 < eset> Hard to say because it's company custom distro
20:57 < eset> and this is a RHEL 6.6 Santiago
20:58 < eset> Maybe someone of you knows which version of oracle drivers will work with RHEL6
20:59 < jim> fattredd, let's do that one more time... this time, run this: lspci -nn | grep SAS2008 | nc termbin.com 9999
21:00 < jim> if that works, it ought to return a url... that's the url to the pastebin of the output of the grep
21:01 < fattredd> Sure, http://termbin.com/qd8e
21:01 < fattredd> Note: It's 3 seperate cards
21:02 < fattredd> (And by that I mean I have 3 of them)
21:05 < jim> 3 of the same card?
21:05 < fattredd> Yeah
21:05 < Dominian> /oop
21:06 < nbm> is there any lightweight terminal as urxvt that supports true color?
21:06 < nbm> with xresources
21:07 < eset> hexnewbie: yeah but: libodbcinst.so.1 => not found and yum provides /usr/lib64/libodbcinst.so.1 gives No Matches found
21:07 < eset> so I'm stuck :/
21:08 < sadbox> nbm: st is about as light as you can go and it supports true colors
21:08 < nbm> cool, someone recommended me st yesterday too
21:10 <@jim> fattredd, a handy debian database says the module to use is mpt3sas
21:10 < fattredd> Excellent. I hate using borderline nonexistant software
21:10 < sadbox> nbm: https://gist.github.com/XVilka/8346728  <- a big list of stuff
21:10 < fattredd> thanks jim
21:10 < nbm> thx
21:15 < notmike> I had a little discussion (I won't call it an argument) with this dude the other day. He kept talking about all the many forks of Linux.
21:15 < notmike> I think he didn't understand what Linux is.
21:16 < cxc99> does nfs krb5p permissions work with local regular users?
21:17 < notmike> For instance, though I suggested he could use any distro and enjoy the Linux kernel in it's entirely, he kept saying that Debian and Ubuntu kernels were way more secure. I don't think he understands what a kernel is.
21:17 < notmike> And how a kernel differs from a distro.
21:18 < popnfloss> notmike: amazing story
21:18 < jim> notmike, then maybe he's got some learning to do... does he want to use linux?
21:20 < nbm> notmike: what did he say about the distros?
21:20 < notmike> Let him tell it he's an expert on setting up production Linux systems.
21:20 < nbm> Ubuntu kernels hehe
21:20 < notmike> He was appalled that I suggested you could use something other than Debian/Ubuntu and still have the same kernel security.
21:21 < nbm> well maybe he is not entirely wrong
21:22 < nbm> once tried manjaro and had lot of troubles with the kernels, but that's because of the support, totally other stuff
21:22 < jim> notmike, as always... you don't have to help him ;) but if you do, and (important) he wants you to, you might let him know about the actual files that hold the kernel, and the modules... and explain the difference between things that run in user space versus kernel space
21:22 < nbm> try to explain him
21:24 < jim> while you're speaking about these things to him, try to detect if there's resistance on his part
21:25 < notmike> I tried, man. I even broke the "operating system" into it's various parts to try to get him to see that you can pretty much make anything you want. It was hopeless, so I went to go kick it with this chick.
21:25 < nbm> did you show her your kernel
21:26 < notmike> His language seemed to suggest that he viewed Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Gentoo, etc as different operating systems, but it seemed like splitting hairs to get into that.
21:26 < notmike> nbm: oh I showed her my kernel!
21:26 < nbm> well they are different distros tbh
21:27 < jim> notmike, it souhds to me like he's not ready to hear opinions that come from outside of him
21:29 < nbm> which system does he use notmike
21:32 < emerson> darn
21:32 < mst> jim: tada
21:32 < mst> emerson: SLOW
21:32 <@jim> thank yuou
21:33 < DLange> tag teaming
21:34 < thefleebs> ok...
21:34 <@jim> oh man
21:34 < thefleebs> whats going on here
21:34 < phogg> aha
21:34 <@DLange> o/ phogg
21:34 < phogg> nickserv finally responded to my re-auth
21:34 < Psi-Jack> Heh.
21:34 < Psi-Jack> phogg: Mine was automagic because of TLS.
21:35 <@jim> phogg, what an awesome response...
21:35 < phogg> Psi-Jack: it may also have been automatic; I'm not sure my message was respected at all
21:35 <@DLange> -!- mode/##linux [+oo DLange DLange] by ChanServ  <- SMIRK
21:35 < Psi-Jack> -NickServ- Account Psi-Jack dropped, forcing logout -- That was fun though.
21:35 < F14W3D> #IRCApocalypse
21:35 < phogg> Psi-Jack: yeah
21:35 < thefleebs> is there a way to make /var/log and /var/tmp tmpfs? is it a good idea?
21:35 < phogg> thefleebs: for /var/tmp it would be fine, for /var/log not such a good idea
21:35 <@DLange> thefleebs: yes and depends. If you do not need logs after a reboot...
21:36 < Psi-Jack> phogg: I mean, I did literally nothing, but idle here and suddenly notice this event unfold
21:37 < phogg> Psi-Jack: I'm saying that *might* have worked for me, too. I can't tell since I did send a re-identify message.
21:37 < Psi-Jack> Because, TLS auth. :)
21:37 <@DLange> Psi-Jack: sounds like a bedside story
21:38 <@jim> phogg, you tokt!
21:38 < phogg> jim: ?
21:39 <@jim> oh, oops, you talked
21:39 <@jim> -tomaw-, whols this "they"?
21:40 < Dan39> good afternoon
21:40 < phogg> jim: Yes. But for 13 awful minutes I could not!
21:40 < Psi-Jack> jim: Heh. Goblins. :)
21:40 < xamithan> Is there a way to disable freenode staff messages ?
21:40 <@DLange> phogg: you entertained us in ##linux-ops!1!!
21:41 < notmike> nbm: I assume he uses Ubuntu or Mint. He was fangirling hard.
21:41 < xamithan> I guess if there was it would be in my client settings...
21:41 < nbm> ubungo
21:41 <@DLange> xamithan: nah, they have globals. They can spam you regardless.
21:41 < phogg> xamithan: depends on your client. You probably could suppress them (but don't).
21:42 < notmike> I agree they're different distros. They're not different operating systems but in any sense I'd use the term. Some people just don't want to be saved.
21:42 < Dan39> is there a way to prevent UEFI firmware from messing up the hdd order of efi boot when i insert a USB stick? problem i have is i install distro, its all working and booting fine, but if i insert a USB stick then try to boot, i get errors about kernel not found because now the USB has become hd0 and the internal HDD hd1...
21:42 < Dan39> it's grub that throws the error
21:42 < phogg> Dan39: you can work around it by booting from partitions by UUID
21:42 < Dan39> derp
21:43 < Dan39> of course
21:43 <@jim> fattredd, hi... sorry for the noise... so that's what I found out so far (the linux kernel driver module for your cards
21:45 < Dan39> though my superior IT guy hated when i used UUIDs once before. we image all our systems just using tarballs. with /dev/sda1 we can just untar and it works, with UUIDs then you have to either tell mkfs to match the UUID or re-generate the grub.cfg.
21:45 <@jim> mquin, or they can leave the channels they're in, change their nick, identify to services and rejoin the channels
21:45 <@jim> (hassle, I know)
21:46 < mquin> jim: that's usually unnecessary, when the two-parameter version of identify will solve the problem
21:46 < phogg> Dan39: there are tradeoffs. There may even be a real solution to the problem (I just don't know a generic one)
21:46 < mquin> and some users may be in a lot of channels with $~a quieted
21:46 < Dan39> i think the proper way is probably to use UUIDs
21:47 <@jim> oh I didn't see the accountname part
21:47 < Psi-Jack> jim: yeah, you can specify the accountname, because when you get changed to a Guest* nick, you wouldnt' want to try to identify as said guest nick.
21:47 < Psi-Jack> hehe
21:47 < Psi-Jack> And dangit... _systemd_is_evil didn't get changed. :/
21:48 <@jim> yeah, probably not registered
21:48 < notmike> Dude swore up and down that Ubuntu has the freshest packages, so you know I slapped his ass real fast.
21:48 <@jim> Psi-Jack, come on, that will  never change :P
21:48 < notmike> Now I'm in jail. jim come basil me out
21:49  * phogg hands jim some basil to use when he's basiling
21:49 < phogg> it's fresh picked
21:49 < Psi-Jack> But... it should. LOL
21:49 <@jim> it only requires basil?@
21:50  * jim mixes basil with toad's legs... runs... BOOM!
21:50 < notmike> :)
21:52 < sn00bie> rvalue = mount("/dev/sda2", "/ro", "ext4", (MS_REMOUNT | MS_RDONLY), "");
21:52 < sn00bie> rvalue = -1 why?
21:52 < sn00bie>  int fd = open("/ro/home/host/my_write_file.txt", O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, mode); the first remount is workung
21:54 < sn00bie> ups wrong text copy
21:54 < sn00bie> the first rvalue = mount("/dev/sda2", "/ro", "ext4", MS_REMOUNT, ""); is working
21:54 < sn00bie> after that i write some file and want to remount it at ro
21:55 < Dagmar> Can you pick more worthless variable names?
21:55 < sn00bie> rvalue = mount("/dev/sda2", "/ro", "ext4", (MS_REMOUNT | MS_RDONLY), "");
21:55 < Dagmar> You sure you don't want to just use "stringA" and "stringB"?
21:57 < Dagmar> Also, it would probably be useful if you said what you were trying to do, rather than what commands you ran
21:57 < Dagmar> The commands you ran will work as advertised, ergo you do not have a problem.
22:01 < twainwek> ping
22:01 < nekoseam> test :)
22:04 < kurahaupo> Pong
22:05 < sn00bie> anyone use mount with remount and as syscall
22:05 < BenderRodriguez> twainwek: PONG!
22:07 < Dagmar> I guarantee you it being a syscall doesn't affect how it works
22:07 < n-iCe> hi
22:07 < twainwek> wow 4 minute latency
22:08 < phogg> sn00bie: did you check errno?
22:09 < deepfreez> Hello, What solution of software you use to create a storage/backup/datafiles on your linux?
22:09 < sn00bie> phogg omg thx great idea
22:09 < deepfreez> to share on windows/mac/etc
22:09 < sn00bie> i check errno
22:10 < infinisil> deepfreez: I use pifs (https://github.com/philipl/pifs), which means automatic portability because Pi can be computed on any operating system
22:11 < deepfreez> thanks
22:16 < prussian> I...
22:16 < prussian> does he know that's a joke?
22:22 < sla3k> Hi, I configured MPD over a headless server, when I connect to the server using a client (Cantata on Windows), I can see my music library, I can also see that the music is being played but I get no sound. I have http streaming enabled. HEre's my mpd.conf https://pastebin.com/3kwBmbaa
22:22 < sla3k> Any idea what part I am missing
22:22 <@DLange> sla3k: a Linux client
22:23 < infinisil> prussian: Well he's probably gonna find out if he tries to use it (or read the readme+)
22:23 < sla3k> DLange: but..but...it should work over windows too? :/ or you mean for testing purposes
22:23 <@DLange> sla3k: if you get no sound on Windows, it's a Windows problem, not?
22:23 < sla3k> Let me spin up a Linux vm and test in there
22:24 <@DLange> good idea, sla3k
22:24 < sla3k> probably..and I hope that is the case.
22:24 <@DLange> make sure the VM plays sound locally first
22:24 < sla3k> :thumbs up:
22:24 < sn00bie> remount doenst work because device or resource busy
22:25 < sn00bie> how can i skirt=
22:25 < sn00bie> ?
22:26 < sn00bie> phogg, thx for the idea
22:34 < sud0x3> infinisil: Thats a new one to me :) had me chuckling over here
22:43 < twainwek> hah https://github.com/philipl/pifs/issues/56
22:44 < sla3k> DLange: just checked Ubuntu Desktop 16.04, local sound works (played the same song locally) but no sound while playing via mpd (client: ncmpcpp)
22:44 <@DLange> sla3k: sounds like you should ask in #mpd then
22:45 < sla3k> okay, thanks
23:01 < infinisil> twainwek: lol nice
23:06 < Pentode> i told my friend to consult be before he got internet access. he's like well i want satellite. i said well you better ask them about latency and whether its still a big problem.. they said no, we've solved that. what they didn't say was that it was CELLULAR!
23:06 < Pentode> be/me
23:06 < Pentode> :|
23:06 < audia5> guys i have it company on city now municiaplity wants to build riding stables near city is this okay ? i know its offtopic :(
23:07 < ayecee> o_O
23:07 < Pentode> i don't get what riding stables have to do with your IT company?
23:08 < ayecee> good runner up for today's "most inexplicable question" award
23:08 < audia5> horses near city is not that ridicilous
23:10 < ||JD||> audia5: where do you live? skyrim?
23:11 < ayecee> i have a summer home there
23:12 < audia5> on a little town around 50.000 people we have 20 shops and my it company now they will build riding stable
23:12 < Dagmar> I dunno what you guys' problem is.  Everyone knows horses eat ethernet cables.
23:13 < Dagmar> THey rip them right out of the ground with their big metal hooks.
23:13 < ayecee> pretty sure that's goats
23:13 < Dagmar> oh wait, no that's backhoes
23:15 < audia5> ok
23:31 < eset> hm
23:36 < hojuruku> The linux social justice policy used by many open source projects is being used to normalize pedophilia right now! https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/issues/538
23:37 < ayecee> clickbait
23:37 < Pentode> lol
23:38 < Pentode> is there anything they wont try
23:42 < MrElendig> http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/legit.jpg
23:48 < hexnewbie> Using gets() is not OK, strcpy() is bad for you, you need to quote your bash variables, you need to keep your SQL parameters separate from your SQL code, your buffers need to be bound-checked, your reconnection interval needs to be random, and your wget mirroring needs to use --wait to be kinder to servers. Aren't you just sick and tired of Linux SJWs and security snowflakes policing your language?
23:50 < bls> it's not a buffer overflow into remote exploit issue, it's a free speech issue
23:57 < hojuruku> ayecee: if you want clickbait try this: https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/issues/392#issuecomment-391878522
23:59 < hojuruku> Pentode: so it's wrong of me to oppose open source policy document normalizing pedophilia? It's wrong to oppose sex with children is that what you are saying?
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