--- Log opened Thu May 31 00:00:38 2018
00:09 < c-c> I have a weird dual screen problem. When full screen video in one screen, in a browser, the other screen goes crazy. What I think happens the other screen shows the 'two frames ago' framebuffer + the changed area, and every time the screen content changes, it toggles between 2-frames-ago and 'new'
00:09 < c-c> ie. when typing you see the cursor twice, when moving windows they seem to jump back and forth etc
00:09 < c-c> Any ideas how to fix this?
00:15 < energizer> I'm looking to secure a system and have secure logs. Do I want acct or auditd or both?
00:19 < CoJaBo> anyone here ever used lxc/lxd? Is there a way to access the filesystem root of a conatiner while not running? Managed to break the damn thing, and now of course there is no documentation telling me how to fix it :/
00:21 < Desu> depends on how you set it up
00:23 < CoJaBo> Desu: What do I need to know then?
00:23 < CoJaBo> It's using zfs, but that's the only thing that required configuring; everything else should still be default
00:24 < c-c> CoJaBo: you want: mount non-running lxc fs as a volume?
00:24 < CoJaBo> c-c: Yes; or any equivilent way of accomplishing that
00:25 < c-c> yes would be cool to know
00:25 < Schrostfutz> Hi, I'm using a thinkpad with a docking station and would like to playback audio via the attached monitor. I recall that this wasn't possible for some time because Displayport MST, which the dock uses, didn't support audio. But some time ago it became possible and I could select the device in pulseaudio. It isn't there anymore though. How can I debug htis?
00:26 < c-c> Schrostfutz: I wonder if you know how to list your pulseaudio 'sinks' and if the DP out would be one of them
00:27 < c-c> Schrostfutz: $ pacmd list-sinks | less
00:28 < Schrostfutz> c-c: It only shows one sink with ports for the laptop's speaker and headphone jack: http://ix.io/1bRD
00:29 < c-c> Schrostfutz: yeah my suggestion isn't quite correct - can't see my HDMI outs with that
00:30 < c-c> Schrostfutz: ok so I think you should be able to first see the displayport output under "profiles" when $ pacmd list-cards
00:31 < CoJaBo> was it a mistake to switch to LXD? It still feels like nobody else out there is using it.. :/
00:31 < Desu> a lot of people are using lxc/lxd, not many of them hang in here though
00:32 < lupine> best to avoid all kinds of containers forever, really
00:32 < c-c> Schrostfutz: if you can see the DP output listed there, you can simply run "pavucontrol" and select the output from the menu
00:32 < Desu> might have to set the profile correctly
00:33 < Schrostfutz> c-c: you're right: http://ix.io/1bRF it lists two cards, one which apparently was associated with the output of pactl list-sinks and the other with hdmi ports. Why isn't that used by pulseaudio?
00:33 < c-c> Schrostfutz: you've selected one or the other
00:33 < c-c> - or its set by default
00:34 < Schrostfutz> c-c: Is it possible to use both?
00:35 < c-c> Schrostfutz: ok looks also like your setup uses HDMI output for the DP so keep that in mind, it may read "HDMI 2" or such in the menus and other places when its really the DP audio out
00:35 < c-c> Schrostfutz: first try with pavucontrol
00:36 < CoJaBo> Desu: The lxc channel (unless I'm in the wrong one) hasn't had anyone speek in the last few weeks
00:36 < CoJaBo> Desu: Where are these "lots of people"? <_<
00:37 < c-c> Schrostfutz: if it runs, try the far right tab, and see if the DP 0-4 (probably "HDMI"..."HDMI 4") output sound
00:37 < CoJaBo> It's rather concerning that I can't find anything on this about Google; if people are using LXD, I shouldn't be the first person in the English-speaking world to have rendered a container unbootable.. :/
00:37 < Schrostfutz> c-c: Oh, wow. It didn't show a sink but I was able to turn the hdmi/DP output on in the configuration tab. now it works. Thanks so much!
00:38 < Desu> CoJaBo: busy drinking champaign and watching girls in short skirts hitting balls across a fence
00:38 < c-c> Schrostfutz: yep thats simple. Adding a sink that combines two sinks or outputs for getting "to use both" takes some command line pulseaudio magic
00:38 < c-c> Schrostfutz: so maybe first consider these https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Examples
00:41 < Schrostfutz> c-c: By using both I meant not having to choose between the two cards but being able to switch without e.g. restarting pulseaudio. I'm perfectly happy now :)
00:42 < c-c> Schrostfutz: rock on!
00:49 < dannylee> hi
00:51 < ayecee> no, just drunk
01:00 < Sonolin> haha
01:00 < Sonolin> high on life ;)
01:01 < Sonolin> drank a beer last night and fell asleep, must be getting old...
01:01 < phyberlogik> I realized I was getting old when I noticed I grunt whenever I sit down or get up.
01:02 < Sonolin> haha ok I might be alright then, albeit close to that point ;)
01:03 < Loshki> phyberlogik: we do that too. We just don't know why...
01:04 < ayecee> high on high life
01:05 < hassoon> w-what ?
01:05 < ayecee> miller high life, a beer
01:05 < ayecee> not drinking that, but it would be funnier if i was
01:07  * hassoon stares at ayecee scratching his head
01:07  * domhnall peeks at bald spot from scratching so much
01:08 < cr0w3> toor
01:10 < domhnall> cr0w3: nope...
01:10 < cr0w3> lol wrong window
01:10 < ayecee> classic cr0w3
01:10 < domhnall> hm, not sure how that happened as that'd be entered at a login prompt
01:10 < royal_screwup21> what's the difference between ./foo.txt vs just foo.txt?
01:11 < ayecee> royal_screwup21: in most contexts, those would be the same
01:11 < Sonolin> yea the first is just more specific royal_screwup
01:12 < cr0w3> vm
01:12 < domhnall> ah
01:12 < royal_screwup21> ayecee: hm I'm inside a folder that has two files files in it - bar.js and foo.js. I want to call foo.js from bar.js. Referencing it as "./foo.txt", as opposed to "foo.txt", worked. I'm curious why the latter doesn't work
01:13 < royal_screwup21> err foo.js*
01:13 < ayecee> royal_screwup21: execution is more different than text files
01:13 < ayecee> foo.js alone would search your path for it, which probably doesn't contain ./
01:14 < ayecee> so ./ would bypass the path lookup, and execute it from the current directory
01:14 < royal_screwup21> ah that makes sense! thanks
01:33 < jrgilman> Any of you use fish rather than bash as your terminal?
01:33 < c-c> I used to
01:34 < jrgilman> I've recently learned about it, was wondering if it's worth switching to
01:34 < jrgilman> why'd you switch away?
01:34 < c-c> It has some real niceties
01:34 < c-c> then again, some of the completion features are available in bash if you conf/know how
01:34  * CoJaBo has always stuck with bash
01:35 < c-c> jrgilman: I think I just forgot to install fish couple of versions back
01:35  * domhnall had become really fond of ksh and tcsh...but bash is king.
01:35 < domhnall> using zsh atm
01:35 < c-c> ah, fish is cool right out the box
01:36 < CoJaBo> I feel lost everytime I get stuck in busybox. First thing I usually do is to get bash working :P
01:36  * c-c runs fish, types 'ls ' and hits the arrow up
01:38 < CoJaBo> Every channel I'm in is talking about fish right now
01:38 < jrgilman> seriously?
01:38 < jrgilman> hasn't it been around for a while
01:38 < CoJaBo> One of those is referring to the food animal, however
01:38 < CoJaBo> :P
01:39 < jrgilman> haha
01:40 < c-c> Another cool fish trick: type 'grep --' and hit tab, and run free with arrow keys!
01:53 < domhnall> say, is Debian still using ifconfig ?
01:53 < c-c> debian 9 isn't
01:54 < domhnall> mmk
01:54 < c-c> It has 'ip'
01:54 < c-c> domhnall: ifconfig may still be in some network util package
01:54 < domhnall> gotcha...
01:56 < domhnall> I enjoy typing `ip addr |grep 'inet' `
01:56 < c-c> domhnall: well, fwiw my wlan interface is a 32 char long random sequence
01:57 < phogg> domhnall: you can abbreviate addr to a
01:57 < domhnall> phogg: oh snap
01:57 < domhnall> thanks
01:58 < domhnall> phogg: ah, so that's the 'a' in |ila| ?
01:59 < eb0t> what on earth does -fn mean here
01:59 < phogg> domhnall: I don't know what you mean
01:59 < domhnall> er...from the help menu..
01:59 < eb0t> unable to load base fontset, please specify a valid one using -fn
01:59 < phogg> eb0t: contex?
01:59 < phogg> eb0t: sometimes it's function, sometimes it's filename
01:59 < eb0t> im tring to load a font into urxvt
01:59 < phogg> for that I presume 'fontname'
01:59 < eb0t> do i have to use minus sign
01:59 < eb0t> -fontname
02:00 < eb0t> ah i see .
02:00 < phogg> eb0t: yes
02:00 < domhnall> wait..my clock is wrong.
02:00 < eb0t> thanks phogg...i just downloaded lots of fonts they appear to be libraries full of fonts so lets see what happens
02:00 < esselfe> eb0t try xfontsel to select a valid font spec
02:00 < eb0t> ah ok ill try it
02:01 < phogg> domhnall: you're going to have to be more specific then "the help menu". Which help menu?
02:02 < domhnall> phogg: its not really that important, but the ip help menu,...
02:03 < domhnall> I mean, if you want to help clarify it, then cool.
02:04  * domhnall has to step away from screen a spell
02:05 < phogg> domhnall: command line tools do not have help menus
02:05 < n-iCe> Guys I just bought a ssd and an adapter to make the old hdd a external hdd, is there any setting I need to modify in linux to make the ssd work better or something I should know?
02:06 < phogg> n-iCe: Not really. Have fun.
02:06 < n-iCe> thank you phogg
02:10 < c-c> Do you use inxi? Or is there something better?
02:13 < hehehe> i was reading snapchat news today
02:13 < phogg> snapchat still exists?
02:13 < hehehe> some employee complained there were not enough girls
02:13 < phogg> wake me when there's a new fad
02:13 < hehehe> like blah
02:13 < ayecee> "GET OFF MY LAWN"
02:13 < hehehe> quit the job and stop complaining :D
02:13 < hehehe> snap is huge thing
02:14 < hehehe> nowadays most people do not dare to be intimate they snap instead
02:14 < hehehe> thats why its so pop
02:14 < phogg> If a high percentage of female co-workers is a job priority you can control for that during industry selection or at least at interview time. It seems pointless to complain about it later.
02:15 < hehehe> yep
02:15 < hehehe> it is way to get more money from the company
02:15 < hehehe> 90s is back - false claims :)
02:16 < phogg> hehehe: that has never gone out of style (you just weren't paying attention)
02:16 < hehehe> and such people in fact discourage companies from hiring more girls as they are scared to be hit with some claims :)
02:16 < hehehe> perhaps
02:17 < jimm> they should stop doing stuff girls would claim :)
02:18 < ayecee> wat
02:18 < hehehe> emm
02:18 < hehehe> I say simpley hire  girls
02:18 < phogg> this whole topic is so flamebait I don't want to get anywhere near it
02:18 < phogg> that should scare you
02:18 < hehehe> probem solved
02:18 < hehehe> hire 0 girls
02:18 < ayecee> ...
02:18 < hehehe> phogg: yesh its a mess deliberate mess
02:19 < ayecee> could you, like, stop
02:19 < hehehe> where some girls are hostages of such mad people
02:19 < hehehe> ayecee: did you read what Evan said
02:19 < hehehe> he even apologised
02:19 < ayecee> i don't even know who Evan is
02:19 < hehehe> he is billionaire snapchat owner
02:19 < phogg> hehehe: I didn't and I don't care and you should talk about something else.
02:19 < ayecee> ^
02:19 < hehehe> if even he is forced to apologise...
02:19 < hehehe> :P
02:20 < Bashing-om> c-c: check out pinxi : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2387337 <- Beta testers for the new Perl inxi release requested
02:23 < phogg> Bashing-om: what was it written in before?
02:23 < domhnall> phogg: ok, I was talking about the 'a' in the -- ila -- part of dpaste.com/0N7YGBC
02:23 < c-c> Bashing-om: ok interesting
02:25 < phogg> domhnall: that's just another mode
02:26 < c-c> phogg: well to me it looks like perl as well https://github.com/smxi/inxi/blob/master/inxi
02:26 < domhnall> phogg: ok
02:28 < daishun> Using crypsetup can I see how many keys are used to unlock a luks dmcrypt drive?
02:30 < rypervenche> daishun: Try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/318382/detemine-which-luks-slot-a-passphrase-is-in
02:30 < daishun> thanks
02:34 < camsn0w> How do I get chrome to look right on hidpi?
02:34 < c-c> Does your linux have symlink from /sbin/shutdown to /bin/systemctl and whats that?
02:36 < triceratux> c-c: my sid system does. thats why i dont run shutdown anymore unless i want to wait 90sec or an infinite time
02:37 < c-c> triceratux: is your system hardened?
02:37 < c-c> triceratux: if you make a new user with no additional groups, can they power down your system using /sbin/shutdown ?
02:38 < Bashing-om> camsn0w: Maybe
02:39 < Bashing-om> camsn0w: Maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI still applies ?
02:39 < triceratux> c-c: cant say. that wouldve been true with the classical shutdown command as well
02:40 < c-c> ok, so any user can power down by default
02:40 < c-c> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1023939/what-kind-of-link-to-bin-systemctl-is-sbin-reboot
02:40 < camsn0w> Yea unfotunatly the archwiki didn't help, the command doesn't work
02:41 < triceratux> c-c: hopefully systemd can be configured to challenge the users credentials if they run shutdown
02:42 < c-c> polkit, perhaps
02:42 < morf> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/allow_users_to_shutdown
02:43 < morf> this seems to be straight forward enough
02:43 < morf> yeah polkit was first thing i was thinking
02:44 < camsn0w> It always seem strange to me that any user can poweroff
02:45 < camsn0w> That's a pretty serious power to have
02:45 < c-c> +1
02:45 < c-c> Maybe its just egalitarianism
02:46 < aclaivi> All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others.
03:03 < jimm> equianimalistic
03:08 < kusznir> Hi all: got what I think is a simple question.  Have a linux server (centos), with LVM all set up and working.  Disk fails (totally to the point that it doesn't show up as existing at all anymore).
03:09 < kusznir> On reboot, I'm dumped into emergency mode....Ok, fine, I edit fstab comment out the offending line, and reboot.  But still end up in emergency mode!
03:09 < kusznir> It appears that even after commenting it out on /etc/fstab, something in systemd is still trying to activate the now-non-existant lvm device...Where is that stored so I can properly disable that too?
03:38 < El_BaChaTerO> alguien?
03:39 < n-iCe> El_BaChaTerO: qué pasó
03:39 < strive> El_BaChaTerO: Dominicano?
03:40 < eb0t> wow who woudl think fonts would be so difficult to get going in some terminals
03:40 < instantp10neer> Is there any way to utilize WPD or some other system to track a printer with a dynamic IP address in ubuntu?
03:40 < El_BaChaTerO> jeje no Cubano
03:41 < strive> Yo soy Cubano tambien :)
03:41 < El_BaChaTerO> pense que nadie aki hablaba español
03:41 < El_BaChaTerO> [strive] de q parte?
03:41 < n-iCe> Yo sí
03:41 < n-iCe> Yo de México
03:41 < El_BaChaTerO> [n-iCe] buenisimo
03:42 < domhnall> oye vey
03:42 < El_BaChaTerO> pues que viva mexico lindoo
03:42 < xamithan> You could always do an arp scan.  The MAC shouldn't be changing
03:42 < strive> Soy Cubano, pero vivo en estados unidos.
03:43 < El_BaChaTerO> [strive] ahh yap!, yo sigo en cuba :( jajaja
03:43 < instantp10neer> xamithan I can correct the issue.  A configuration that doesn't require IP updates is the goal.
03:44  * c-c soy uno poco loco
03:44 < n-iCe> y qué linux usan
03:44 < strive> CubaOS
03:44 < strive> :P
03:45 < El_BaChaTerO> JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA  JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA JUA
03:45 < El_BaChaTerO> JaJaJa JaJaJaJa Ja Ja
03:46 < El_BaChaTerO> Debian
03:46 < El_BaChaTerO> Ubuntun
03:46 < El_BaChaTerO> algo asi
03:46 < strive> Ah, ta bien.
03:46 < El_BaChaTerO> yo no lo uso :( entre aki por otra cosas, biticoins
03:46 < strive> O, si.
03:47 < strive> No uso bitcoins. :/
03:50 < c-c> Esta canal es en inglesa
03:53 < skizzy> anyone know what I should be looking into if I want to look at the memory being used by a game running in WINE?
03:53 < skizzy> I mean look at the contents of memory
03:54 < c-c> ptrace?
03:55 < skizzy> ok i'll look into that, thanks
03:55 < c-c> /proc/pid/maps ?
03:57 < jimm> that's kinda hard to say... except, you're going to have dynamic allocations, so there would be pointers somewhere
03:57 < c-c> he wants to write a WoW bot
03:58 < jimm> where would there be info on doing that? (wizard of wor right?)
03:59 < skizzy> sort of right lol. I'm trying to track health so i can run my macros
03:59 < skizzy> not in WoW though
04:00 < skizzy> I can get it in a packet right now but trying to do it via memory and no idea where to start
04:00 < jimm> like, if you run low, drink a potion, stuff like that
04:00 < jimm> ?
04:00 < skizzy> yeah
04:01 < jimm> so the choice is between having the bot run on a net versus having it get its info by looking into the ram of a running game?
04:02 < skizzy> yeah trying to learn how to look at things in the game some how via memory. I'm not changing anything just viewing what I would be able to see
04:02 < skizzy> or that's the idea
04:03 < c-c> so, the big pic is the memory allocation maps are under process id in /proc
04:03 < skizzy> I see that now but I have to learn how to decipher it
04:03 < skizzy> and eventually how to get ahold of that data in C or Python
04:03 < c-c> not really, as you already know the "health" number
04:04 < c-c> and yeah you'd write some script to do that
04:04 < c-c> maybe in ruby or rust
04:04 < jimm> I see... I'll have to say,,, the ram way is going to be a LOT harder because you really need the source code t WoW
04:04 < c-c> why would that be?
04:04 < skizzy> I'm not doing WoW though :) it's private everquest emulator servers
04:05 < skizzy> and it's more curiosity than actual usefulness. my scripts don't help me play any better really it's just neat
04:06 < c-c> I think its real interesting, heres a little lead forward ;) https://jvns.ca/blog/2018/01/26/mac-memory-maps/
04:06 < skizzy> I do wonder how in the hell they made the everquest emulator servers, they must have had an inside source
04:07 < skizzy> checkin...
04:07 < c-c> lel I remember when JE was a no-skill noob
04:08 < jimm> well because with the net, you should have an API, but with looking into ram, the authors of the game aren't motivated to show you internals of the program (and how can they do that, when they're also not motivated to show you source, something they're also not motivated to do)
04:09 < c-c> jimm: naw, you only need https://serverfault.com/questions/173999/dump-a-linux-processs-memory-to-file
04:10 < skizzy> I guess it being a WINE process doesnt' change anything?
04:10 < c-c> then find a pattern, and then rewrite some values possibly, or trigger macro in this case
04:10 < c-c> WINE proc, COFFEE proc, TEA proc, whatever
04:10 < skizzy> the data is still data but it might be encrypted or encoded i know
04:11 < skizzy> I have some ideas from the emulator forums of how they encode their data though
04:11 < c-c> encrypted memory? I doubt it
04:11 < skizzy> yeah might just be for the network packets
04:20 < skizzy> I'll try the maps and gdb process. search foor 1877 (my hitpoints)
04:21 < skizzy> then at least have an idea of if it's there. then to figure out how to grab that in C or something...
04:22 < c-c> skizzy: did you look at gcore
04:22 < El_BaChaTerO> [strive] hay alguna sala de español ?
04:22 < skizzy> I didn't see that
04:22 < skizzy> I'll google it
04:22 < c-c> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/gcore.1.html
04:23 < Psi-Jack> El_BaChaTerO: This channel is specifically Englisag.
04:23 < Psi-Jack> English*
04:23 < strive> El_BaChaTerO: No se. Pero, hay una para Ubuntu.
04:23 < El_BaChaTerO> [Psi-Jack] thanks brother
04:23 < strive> Psi-Jack: Yes, I'm explaining to him that there's a spanish Ubuntu channel.
04:24 < Psi-Jack> And I'm not your brother. :p
04:24 < skizzy> okk saved a dump. not sure how to read it yet
04:24 < jimm> let's not let this become an argument please
04:24 < strive> Psi-Jack: Ease up.
04:26 < strive> El_BaChaTerO: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
04:27 < El_BaChaTerO> me fui gracias por todo mi gente!!
04:27 < c-c> skizzy: did you use pstack or what?
04:27 < strive> El_BaChaTerO: https://wiki.debian.org/IRC
04:27 < strive> El_BaChaTerO: Nos vemos :)
04:27 < skizzy> c-c, not yet. got a lot to go through :)
04:28 < skizzy> getting gdb setup right now
04:32 < jimm> strive, El_BaChaTerO, howbout joining a separate channel, I wonder if there's a spanish linux channel on a different net? I'm not sure there's one on freenode, but there could be
04:32 < lnnb> senor tux
04:33 < jimm> that would be linus....
04:33 < lnnb> from the peanuts?
04:34 < c-c> I thought pstack could generate output from the core files gcore-command outputs...
04:35 < c-c> However "$ pstack core.34244" returns "Invalid parameter" although the file is in the same dir
04:35 < El_BaChaTerO> [strive] , thanks nos vemos en otro momento!
04:35 < El_BaChaTerO> .adios
04:35 < skizzy> dunno, this is all new to me. I've just been developing but not inspecting or taking things apart yet
04:36 < skizzy> I know I need to know it though
04:36 < c-c> same problem if filename is "./core.34244"
04:36 < c-c> Someone remind me whats wrong here?
04:37 < lnnb> does gdb work?
04:37 < lnnb> gdb program core
04:39 < c-c> lnnb: ok so gcore makes a dump of the running program... I was expecting pstack to output some info on that dump
04:39 < skizzy> file format not recognized in gdb
04:39 < skizzy> oh i read that wrong
04:40 < skizzy> never used gdb :) only codeblocks's debugger
04:40 < c-c> lnnb: that does work
04:40 < lnnb> layout next until it looks right and hoping you built with -g
04:41 < c-c> ($ gdb leafpad core.34244)
04:42 < skizzy> wow i was on this program core thing and I see what looks like assembly
04:43 < skizzy> gotta learn how to use this!
04:44 < aBound> Use the force Luke.
04:44 < morf> bzzzzt
04:45 < blocky> you can get a split screen in gdb with a listing of the source code by pressing ctrl + x, ctrl + a
04:51 < UnderSampled> Hello
04:52 < morf> yes
04:52 < aBound> Hello.
04:52 < UnderSampled> I am trying to connect to my FTDI FT232R using screen; it's /dev/ttyusb0. I get [screen is terminating] even when running as root, and lsof returns no other users
04:53 < UnderSampled> Are there any other considerations I should take for why I can't connect?
04:53 < UnderSampled> or perhaps another diagnostic tool to look at it with?
04:54 < iflema> ttyUSB0 ? case...
04:54 < UnderSampled> yes, /dev/ttyUSB0
04:54 < c-c> I wonder why pstack won't eat the core dump file that gdb happily opens
04:55 < iflema> im fresh out of ideas
04:56 < UnderSampled> wait, maybe...
04:56 < UnderSampled> how do you close screen?
04:57  * iflema tmux
04:57 < blocky> UnderSampled: you could try minicom
04:57 < c-c> UnderSampled: just exit, or shortcut C-a
04:57 < iflema> ctrl+d
04:58 < aBound> Agrees, tmux seems to be a better alternative to screen.
04:58 < UnderSampled> I use tmux for screen management (I'm in it right now)
04:59 < UnderSampled> but was using screen for serial console
04:59 < c-c> hm, I think thats supposed to be C-a\
04:59 < ayecee> how can you tell if someone uses tmux? you don't have to, they'll tell you!
05:03 < skizzy> Is there anything special to do with gdb for debugging win32 applications? when i do "info functions" it shows nothing
05:03 < skizzy> but on a linux program it lists a bunch
05:03 < skizzy> I'm just barely starting to learn it :)
05:03 < skizzy> maybe it's the way it's compiled? no debugging symbols or something
05:04 < jimm> tmux uses ctrl b as a prefix char while screen uses ctrl a
05:05 < iflema> tmux tip: how to page-up/down?
05:05 < iflema> ctrl+b!
05:06 < c-c> skizzy: this is what the memory map from /proc looks like https://paste.debian.net/1027368/
05:06 < skizzy> yeah i looked at that but wasn't sure how to get anything out of it yet
05:07 < c-c> skizzy: I'd aim to write a program that dumps a selected range from such map
05:07 < iflema> tmux tip: boggle mode
05:07 < c-c> skizzy: JE's rust program is probably ideal for that, except it doesn't have any logic for selecting the range
05:08 < iflema> set status off
05:08 < c-c> - who knows, maybe gdb has all the facilities, I haven't used gdb much
05:08 < jimm> there's a tmux cheatsheet on the web somewhere... I'm not at home, otherwise I'd have it
05:08 < skizzy> c-c, I'll look into that next. messing around with gdb now but i didn't forget about it
05:08 < sacules> jimm: this one https://tmuxcheatsheet.com/
05:09 < c-c> yeah I bet most stats are going to be in the stack or in the heap, and none are going to be in the .so (dll?) ranges
05:09 < jimm> yeah that's it :)
05:10 < iflema> heres a good one... ctrl+shift+d
05:10 < c-c> - that leaves some detective work for the unnamed ranges, in this example that would only be 12 KB to look for the stat value in
05:11 < iflema> im ctrl+b  shift+d
05:12 < c-c> I wonder whats in [vdso]
05:12 < iflema> m below the keyboard.. not too bad
05:12 < iflema> ugh
05:14 < c-c> ah, of course, its the virtual ELF dynamic shared object
05:14 < jmadero> how can I have a hard drive that is 70% empty but out of inodes??
05:15 < iflema> lvm?
05:18 < iflema> something holdng them?
05:19 < jmadero> iflema: ext4, how can I find out if something is holding them?
05:20 < eb0t> hey there are some x11 core fonts....how do you find out their names so that you can just call them from command line
05:20 < eb0t> i truly dont understand how fonts work on linux
05:21 < eb0t> from command line
05:21 < iflema> jmadero: df -ih
05:21 < aaro> eb0t: xlsfonts or xfontsel
05:22 < eb0t> ok thanks ill try and find those
05:22 < nekoseam> https://i.imgur.com/kH45F2B.png
05:22 < nekoseam> What have I done
05:23 < eb0t> omg ...thanks aaro
05:23 < eb0t> wow got em now
05:25 < sacules> nekoseam: rice your distro?
05:25 < jmadero> iflema: something is clearly holding onto the inodes, how would I find out what?
05:26 < nekoseam> sacules: Yeah...or I think at least
05:26 < jmadero> it's showing 2.5 megs used up entirely, on another system I have that has a much larger drive I only have 271k held
05:27 < nekoseam> On most distros I just install Openbox anyways so I like that BunsenLabs has it preinstalled already
05:27 < sacules> nekoseam: that looks nice, check r/unixporn for some awesome rices
05:27 < nekoseam> sacules: I visit unixporn a lot
05:27 < nekoseam> In fact I'm about to upload that to it
05:27 < nekoseam> Just because I've never made a post there lol
05:27 < sacules> kek do it
05:28 < iflema> jmadero: i dont know   find / -xdev -printf '%h\n' | sort | uniq -c | sort -k 1 -n
05:28 < nekoseam> I just did. RIP karma fam
05:29 < nekoseam> "Openbox? I thought we all switched to twm years ago"
05:32 < nekoseam> I need to resubscribe to lwn
05:33 < nekoseam> It'd be a shame to see them go
05:33 < c-c> bunsen is too heavy for me
05:33 < nekoseam> 230mb on boot
05:33 < nekoseam> Too much?
05:33 < nekoseam> And I'm using a compositer at that
05:34 < c-c> plain headless debian netinstall + this is what I use https://github.com/csmr/obviux/blob/master/obviux.sh
05:34 < c-c> - most of it stolen from proto-bunsen
05:34 < Mibix> hmm i just installed a fresh copy of ubuntu 17.10 and it is moving dirt slow
05:34 < Mibix> can barely type
05:35 < nekoseam> So basically BunsenLabs with no extra repositories and no compositer
05:35 < nekoseam> And seemingly no GUI tint2 and conky tools
05:35 < nekoseam> Seems fair
05:36 < c-c> nekoseam: it uses openbox with tint2, and thank gods no crashy conky bs, best-of-breed light apps
05:36 < nekoseam> bunsenlabs comes with tint2
05:36 < c-c> nekoseam: if you read to line 40 you can see the apps
05:37 < c-c> or packages that are installed
05:37 < nekoseam> and you can easily remove the conky. Only reason I'm running it is because it fuels my nerd ego
05:37 < c-c> yeah its horribly unstable
05:37 < nekoseam> Well I'm using a conky made in Lua
05:38 < nekoseam> It's never failed on me
05:38 < c-c> ever try ranger?
05:38 < nekoseam> yeah
05:38 < nekoseam> I have it installed but I prefer thunar
05:38 < c-c> ranger is pretty 'nerdy'.
05:39 < nekoseam> I did an OpenBSD suckless rice and it was pretty cool but I'm so used to the programs on my system it's hard to switch
05:39 < nekoseam> switch programs that is
05:39 < nekoseam> I hope distros pretty often. Programs mostly stay the same
05:40 < nekoseam> hop* godammit
05:40 < iflema> jmadero: du -s --inodes /var/* | sort -rn    <-  check var for example?
05:42 < eb0t> hey i have installed urxvt and have a font i want to use
05:42 < eb0t> i only ave a ttf file
05:42 < eb0t> i have looked at the man page and it says urxvt options are -fn fontname
05:42 < c-c> eb0t: ok, now type '$ apt install terminator'
05:42 < supernov3h> is it possible to determine if a directory eg: /home/some_path, belong to a user, non-iteratively (ie without looping over all users, or grepping  /etc/passwd and having to escape backslashes)
05:43 < supernov3h> by belong I mean, is the home directory for a user
05:43  * c-c B)
05:43 < eb0t> but everyone elses config....uses the format URxvt.font:   or Urxvt*font:
05:43 < eb0t> so im missing something and the man page has just thrown a spanner in the works
05:43 < eb0t> if anyone can clarify would be really useful
05:44 < c-c> eb0t: whats the name of the font file?
05:44 < cmj> urxvt uses that same format
05:44 < eb0t> its called Inconsolata-Regular.ttf
05:44 < cmj> .Xdefaults
05:44 < eb0t> yes
05:44 < cmj> edit it, use xrdb -load ~.Xdefaults
05:45 < cmj> fire up a new term
05:45 < eb0t> yes thanks...but not sure what to write in the defaults file
05:45 < cmj> you should see if you have that font loaded
05:45 < eb0t> do i write URxvt.font: or Urxvt*font or urxvt
05:46 < cmj> this is mine:
05:46 < cmj> URxvt*font: xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=20,xft:Symbola:pixelsize=20
05:46 < c-c> eb0t: $ fc-list : | sort
05:47 < eb0t> nice command
05:47 < c-c> inconsolata is pretty good for console
05:48 < eb0t> i like the look of it if i can get it to go on
05:48 < cmj> $ fc-match Inconsolata-Regular
05:48 < cmj> Inconsolata.otf: "Inconsolata" "Medium"
05:49 < cmj> xft:Inconsolata
05:50 < eb0t> ah great ill try the xft also
05:51 < cmj> eb0t: look over this page, it's pretty great http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.pod
05:51 < eb0t> thanks
05:52 < cmj> i use backup symbola for other unicode, emoji, glyphes
05:53 < cmj> primary first, secondary, etc
05:55 < Psi-Jack> What? No noto?
05:56 < cmj> heh i haven't found noto to be complete
05:56 < cmj> for some reason
05:58 < cmj> i've tried many times; failing all over
05:58 < cmj> wideglyphes are hard to use. but there are patches for urxvt
05:59 < cmj> i'd prefer noto over symbola
05:59 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm, Well, I don't like urxvt personally.
06:00 < Psi-Jack> I end up somehow magically hitting that one key combination that just drives me ape sheisa crazy. Some ISO-something key combination.
06:02 < cmj> yeah i've seen that before. it's small popup in the lower left to allow for unicode character input
06:02 < Psi-Jack> Yeah.
06:02 < cmj> it's confusing
06:02 < cmj> still don't know how i get there
06:02 < Psi-Jack> I managed to find out how to disable it, but still. I just hate URxvt. Give me ONE terminal, not dozens compiled differently.
06:02 < cmj> i just use a solid xmodmaprc file
06:03 < cmj> fair enough
06:03 < Psi-Jack> Heh.
06:03 < Psi-Jack> I actually ended up using gnome-terminal in the end so far.
06:06 < Psi-Jack> I'd have actually used xfce4-terminal but, it doesn't do truecolor mode properly. It misses colors.
06:07 < Psi-Jack> And, at the speed of development XFCE is, it's not likely to be fixed any time soon. LOL
06:08 < cmj> i use this to test
06:08 < cmj> /exec curl -s pi.gs/256
06:10 < cmj> https://i.imgur.com/M76BpOV.png
06:12 < cmj> yeah i can't get away from urxvt…
06:14 < c-c> terminator is kinda big, but good
06:14 < cmj> is that the enlightenment term?
06:14 < c-c> LXterminal, ok too
06:14 < cmj> the reboot of eterm
06:14 < Psi-Jack> terminator is kinda aweful actually.
06:14 < c-c> LXterminal doesn't have split window though
06:15 < Psi-Jack> One thing I can't stand is a terminal that crashes too easily while using it. And terminator is easy to crash.
06:15 < c-c> terminator has split window
06:15 < cmj> yeah that's it. too much squishy for me
06:15 < cmj> and it's not stable at all for me
06:15 < cmj> hah
06:15 < c-c> doesn't crash often for me, more often than vim though
06:15 < cmj> it has issues with configurations or something
06:16 < c-c> also one needs at least two tilda's
06:17 < cmj> c-c: i also think there's an rxvt channel on this server iirc
06:25 < supernov3h> can root ever have a user id thats not zero and be called something else
06:25 < supernov3h> like fred, uid 1223
06:26 < dgs> i think thi uid needs to be zero by definition, and the name is not so important
06:26 < Triffid_Hunter> supernov3h: the uid is fixed as zero but you can call it anything you want.. toor and admin are relatively common alternative names for root
06:27 < [R]> of course thats lieklyl to break software that thinks its called root
06:28 < supernov3h> that's sort of why I'm asking, can I safely find the root account as the one with uid 0
06:31 < [R]> uid 0 is awlays root
06:31 < [R]> the kernel doestn know or care about names
06:33 < jimm> so yes, if you have other users in /etc/passwd that have 0 as the third field (it's colon-separated), that acct would have root's powers
06:33 < jimm> as [R] says, no matter the name
06:34 < jimm> (if it has 0 for the fourth field, that's the root group
06:34 < jimm> )
06:35 < ffejj> boin
06:35 < ffejj> k
06:35 < ffejj> hi y'all
06:35 < jimm> hi
06:36 < ffejj> had to register my name so i could talk.  what's up in linux land 2 nite?
06:36 < eb0t> gnome terminal is the best terminal ..using it on this machine ...but urxvt is much lighter and doesnt drag in the entire world
06:37 < eb0t> so im going for a lightweight..but so far its just a nightmare on gentoo
06:37 < eb0t> no fonts work
06:37 < eb0t> im actually close to suicide now...i thik ill go out and mug somebody
06:39 < thatpythonguy> i used gnome terminal for a while
06:39 < thatpythonguy> trying to get used to urxvt now, switched today
06:39 < ffejj> are y'all discussing replacements?
06:39 < thatpythonguy> first time on irc, can someone confirm my messages are sending
06:39 < eb0t> yes i have for years ...it just looks perfect..but when you run gentoo and have to wait for gnome to rebuild or when you have to rebuild everything...you realise gnome is just huge
06:40 < ffejj> thatpythonguy, yes
06:40 < thatpythonguy> thanks, this is pretty cool
06:40 < domhnall> eb0t: yeah, that's the one caveat about gentoo...
06:40 < eb0t> yes
06:40 < sacules> urxvt is too bloated
06:41 < thatpythonguy> sacules, I've read the exact oppposite?
06:41 < eb0t> urxvt may be bloated ....but if i have to install an update its like a few minutes
06:41 < eb0t> gnome is like a day to build
06:41 < sacules> it's got 32k lines of code
06:41 < eb0t> but gnome has loads of dependencies
06:41 < [R]> THIRTY TWO THOUSANDS!?
06:41 < [R]> oh no
06:41 < eb0t> like 400
06:41  * Psi-Jack just shakes his head.
06:41 < cmj> how does this 'bloat' cause you issues?
06:41 < eb0t> 32k is jack shit
06:41 < Psi-Jack> Oh, don't even bother.
06:42 < cmj> noted‼
06:42 < Psi-Jack> One man's "bloat" is another man's treasure.
06:42 < sacules> i like st, it's got around 2k lines, and does pretty much everything most terminals do lol
06:42 < eb0t> yes
06:42  * cmj looks at his belly
06:42 < jimm> oh, I'm trying to work on a postfix combined with dovecot and spamassassin, and we're stuck with having to learn all that stuff now
06:42 < eb0t> yes that st is getting some good press
06:42 < eb0t> i think ill try it
06:42 < thatpythonguy> what fonts do y'all use
06:42 < cmj> all of them
06:43 < eb0t> but godda have good colours
06:43 < jimm> ones we canb see?
06:43 < cmj> not all at once, but yes, all of them. bloating my drive if you will
06:43 < thatpythonguy> for your terminal i mean, usually people use 1 font they love for terminal
06:43 < sacules> eb0t: it's great, might be a little annoying to edit a config.h and make clean install when you want to change something, but it compiles very quick, and it's quite light and fast
06:44 < Psi-Jack> I've said it once, I'll say it again: suckless software, the software YOU have to patch to make suck less.
06:44 < ffejj> thatpythonguy, monocode or lucida console ;)
06:44 < eb0t> yes from now on sacules ...i need to spend time and get a decent config and understand the fonts and perl stuff for a decent terminal
06:44 < sacules> Psi-Jack: aye that certainly sucks
06:44 < eb0t> from then on ill just use the same thing forever basically
06:44 < eb0t> im a no frills guy
06:45 < cmj> we live in a life of patchsets
06:45 < eb0t> functional and clean is all im arsed about
06:45 < thatpythonguy> irc question,, I'm on weechat and the messages are cluttered with "___" has quit, how can I fix?
06:45 < eb0t> and quick build times
06:45 < Psi-Jack> thatpythonguy: Ask in #weechat?
06:45 < thatpythonguy> good point, thanks
06:45 < jimm> on this channel?
06:45 < cmj> ignore quits and joins
06:45 < domhnall> thatpythonguy: not sure, but see if weechat does /ignore
06:46 < Psi-Jack> Most likely there's a setting for it.
06:46 < Psi-Jack> #weechat would know. :)
06:46 < domhnall> undoubtedly, they would.
06:46 < sacules> eb0t: st takes like 5 seconds to compile that's nice
06:47 < domhnall> only thing I see is nick changes and op activity
06:47 < eb0t> yes thats great..as long as it looks smooth and good colours will be perfect
06:47 < Psi-Jack> domhnall: That's because you already filter joins/parts/quits.
06:47 < domhnall> Psi-Jack: and ctcps
06:48 < Psi-Jack> domhnall: What, not gonna share your time with me?
06:48 < Psi-Jack> So mean! :)
06:48 < domhnall> por que?
06:48 < sacules> eb0t: yup it can look very nice out of the box, here's my setup with different fonts https://imgur.com/a/tvaMgQi
06:48 < domhnall> omg this upgrade is taking forever....
06:49 < Psi-Jack> Oh, crap, blah blah. I almost forgot I have a 7am deployment to do in 6 hours.
06:49 < eb0t> thanks ill copy it for starters
06:49 < cmj> don't even make me take screenshots
06:50 < eb0t> ha ha ...nice sacules
06:50 < eb0t> i used to do that
06:50 < cmj> Psi-Jack: g'night
06:50 < Psi-Jack> Oh look. text.
06:50 < eb0t> spend a lot of time making my screen look fantastic with awesome window manager
06:50 < eb0t> now i dont give a hoot....its all about give me a terminal....and get coding or something
06:50 < eb0t> no frills
06:50 < eb0t> and good rendering on a porno
06:51 < cmj> yeah i don't get the x is better than y after that
06:51 < eb0t> thats abotu it
06:51 < domhnall> sacules: what's your PS1 look like?
06:51 < cmj> we can all choose the colors the fonts and various other tweeks to meet our own needs
06:52 < eb0t> aye
06:52 < eb0t> its nice though
06:52 < Psi-Jack> And yeah, g'night.
06:52 < domhnall> eb0t: that looks ideal for a gentoo system...no wonder you like it.
06:52 < sacules> domhnall: ps1?
06:52 < eb0t> yes
06:52 < domhnall> sacules: yeah, your prompt $ or #
06:53 < eb0t> my system is just tmux screen and weechat and a few other tmux screens under it with vim
06:53 < eb0t> no tranapsarency
06:53 < swift110> sos
06:53 < eb0t> midnight commander firefox and stuff
06:53 < eb0t> basics
06:53 < domhnall> transparency is like a thing on gentoo...I've noticed.
06:53 < eb0t> i dont bother with it
06:54 < domhnall> almost any Gentoo vids on youtube, have some cool ass terminal colors.
06:54 < sacules> oh i'm using the fish shell with the pure theme
06:54 < domhnall> sacules: ah okay...
06:54 < sacules> just changed the prompt to '>' because the symbol wasn't rendering properly for some reason
06:55 < sacules> those are a little old, these days i have this http://i.imgur.com/c08Yo9i.png
06:55 < domhnall> I'm looking around for a theme I've only seen in ParrotOS. Not sure if it's exclusive to it but I have no idea the name. Just looks cool.
06:55 < sacules> gotta love source code pro
06:56 < domhnall> what's MX 17 Horizon?
06:56 < sacules> my fav distro
06:57 < cmj> sacules: https://i.imgur.com/dsTZrzo.png
06:58 < eb0t> https://www.flickr.com/photos/155415404@N07/41564926875/in/dateposted-public/
06:58 < cmj> that urxvt+screen
06:58 < eb0t> thats mine just basic full screen ..some dev stuff split screen
06:58 < eb0t> thats it
06:58 < sacules> nice!
07:00 < domhnall> are we on t.v, eb0t ...heh.
07:01 < eb0t> ha ha
07:01 < sacules> i like customizing things, so couldn't resist installing a theme for irssi https://imgur.com/aCbIsTK
07:01 < eb0t> that irrsi is nice though
07:01 < eb0t> cmj
07:01 < cmj> yeah i run almost the same
07:01 < cmj> it's probably 20 years old
07:01 < cmj> 15
07:02 < eb0t> nice colours that sacules
07:02 < cmj> modified elf.theme
07:02 < cmj> i use more unicode in it
07:03 < sacules> eb0t: what i like is that those are not done by myself, but irssi using the terminal's, and I can install themes for it and all cli stuff uses them
07:03 < cmj> and with 256 colors use nickcolor_expando.pl
07:03 < eb0t> yes it looks pretty good all that
07:03 < cmj> i feel like i'm in #gentoo
07:03 < eb0t> yes its got a similar look
07:04 < eb0t> but if this urxvt doesnt sort out ..i may use arch on my b machine
07:04 < cmj> i use │ instead of |
07:04 < sacules> cmj: yeah nickcolor is great
07:04 < cmj> expando only does 256
07:04 < aclaivi> eb0t: still having trouble with your fonts?
07:04 < eb0t> yes aclaivi
07:04 < aclaivi> :(
07:05 < eb0t> they arent taking
07:05 < sacules> i like using these for themes https://github.com/chriskempson/base16-shell
07:05 < eb0t> even tried a strace when opening the terminal
07:05 < sacules> using the onedark one rn
07:05 < eb0t> and nothing ..i think its a gentoo thing
07:05 < aclaivi> Maybe try a different terminal to see if that is the case
07:05 < eb0t> but my system is pretty much no mouse required...vim tmux xmonad
07:05 < cmj> did you run xrdb -load .Xdefaults first?
07:05 < eb0t> so there may be some stuff interfering with keys and stuff
07:06 < eb0t> no i dont use xdefaults ...think thats deprecated
07:06 < cmj> it isn't
07:06 < eb0t> i run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources
07:06 < eb0t> after every change
07:06 < cmj> many use that x11 support
07:06 < nekoseam> https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/8mzars/gentoo_dev_ama_this_friday_june_1st/ Gentoo dev is doing an AMA on Friday june 1st on /r/linux
07:06 < sacules> noice
07:06 < cmj> so something is broken
07:06 < [R]> EXTREME
07:07 < eb0t> probably
07:07 < [R]> gentoo is the bomb diggity
07:07 < cmj> even window managers use this format
07:07 < cmj> 2007 is great again
07:07 < skizzy> I am trying to run 2 processes that are networked
07:07 < skizzy> ioops
07:07 < domhnall> well, if Gentoo was a bomb, that compile time would save lives.
07:08 < eb0t> HA HA
07:08 < swift110> lol domhnall
07:08 < domhnall> er...spare rather.
07:08 < eb0t> yes but nothing can touch it
07:08 < eb0t> i hate all the compile time ..when it happens
07:08  * domhnall loves Gentoo....
07:08 < skizzy> I am trying to run 2 processes that are networked. I want one to run in one network namespace and the other in another network name space. Each process using it's own MAC address. Besides messing with network namespaces what else should I look into?
07:08 < swift110> it must be like mc hammer then
07:08 < eb0t> but apart from that ...i cant find another linux that even comes close for my needs
07:09 < skizzy> I was told network rules. I don't see much about that on google
07:09 < eb0t> opensuse is close
07:09 < cmj> eb0t: linux is the kernel, distros use kernels and build upon it
07:09 < eb0t> but arch ..i used years ago and eventually it broke
07:09 < eb0t> aye
07:09 < eb0t> i had to compile akernel yesterday
07:10 < cmj> man i feel for [R]
07:10 < eb0t> but prior to that they changed the gcc compiler from 5.4 to version 6.4
07:10 < eb0t> so i have to do the change and rebuild both of my entire systems
07:10 < eb0t> every single program
07:10 < eb0t> and change the kernel
07:10 < cmj> are you the one on gentoo?
07:10 < eb0t> and i got upset
07:11 < nekoseam> Funtoo is, in my opinion, basically a more polished Gentoo
07:11 < nekoseam> It's faster to compile things
07:11 < nekoseam> Easier to install
07:11 < nekoseam> If you want to get into Gentoo don't. Get into Funtoo
07:11 < eb0t> so i stopped on of the builds and threw gnome off it and recomiled the whole lot again with urxvt
07:11 < eb0t> yes funtoo is good but community is not as supported
07:11 < eb0t> and i been using gentoo now for like 5 years
07:11 < domhnall> hm, never even thought of trying Funtoo, I've tried Sabyon and Pentoo though.
07:11 < eb0t> and apart from build time i like it
07:11 < epicmetal> nekoseam: I've heard it said that it's better to learn Gentoo first, because documentation
07:11 < eb0t> yes i sintalled pentoo once
07:12 < epicmetal> nekoseam: i.e. it's hard for the newcomer to figure out what applies to Funtoo or not
07:12 < nekoseam> It's basically the same as Gentoo
07:12 < epicmetal> "basically"
07:12 < nekoseam> Only minor differences
07:12 < cmj> i can't argue the learning curve
07:12 < nekoseam> Yeah...not entirely
07:12 < epicmetal> Yes, that's my point
07:12 < eb0t> to be honest i generally use a mixture of gentoo wiki and arch wiki for anything
07:12 < eb0t> but gentoo gets you close to the metal
07:12 < eb0t> but its in a gentoo way
07:13 < cmj> and if that gets people excited i'm ok
07:13 < eb0t> if you wanna get close to the metal in a linux way.....then there is only one
07:13 < eb0t> SLACKWARE
07:13 < epicmetal> Crux, LFS, ...
07:13 < eb0t> that is the king of linux
07:13 < graff> gentoo is awesome, but it wastes too much time for those of us who just want gentoo coolness without the extra options
07:13 < graff> imo they go overboard
07:13 < eb0t> linux from scratch is just too much
07:13 < eb0t> and nobody ever keeps the system
07:13 < eb0t> but slackware they really keep the monster going
07:14 < eb0t> slackware is more linuxy than gentoo
07:14 < ibttis> hello, can someone recommend good source to learn linux system administration?
07:14 < graff> linux from scratch and CLFS both do too many hacks
07:14 < eb0t> i mean i use gentoo on both machines and one has a slack dual boot
07:14 < graff> i can make a nice cross linux from scratch in way less loc than they use
07:14 < eb0t> yes lfs is just a once in a lifetime thing to get down and dirty and then delete it
07:14 < graff> but it means nothing, I need actual distros to target with my software
07:14 < graff> well, it's also for people who want to learn to make a new distro
07:15 < graff> but yeah
07:15 < eb0t> yes i run django and python and stuff real easy on gentoo
07:15 < graff> imo it could be more well maintained
07:15 < eb0t> mysql
07:15 < eb0t> its all about the community ..there are some total genius guys in gentoo
07:15 < eb0t> those guys nothing phases them
07:15 < mouses> plus gentoo's documentation is just magical and wondercul
07:15 < mouses> wonderful*
07:16 < voldial> I cant imagine working without gentoo. Nothing else comes close. You end up integrating it into your workflow in unexpected ways.
07:16 < eb0t> yes ..but not as good as arch linux
07:16 < mouses> voldial: ++
07:16 < eb0t> arch linux is the king of wiki
07:16 < mouses> eb0t: Arch does a great job as well.
07:16 < nekoseam> OpenBSD is the king of wiki
07:16 < mouses> Microsoft BOB was better
07:16 < eb0t> oh yes..but i found the gentoo community more decent
07:16 < nekoseam> for an operating system at least
07:16 < eb0t> they are all about down to business
07:16 < swift110> I didn't do well when I tried to install arch
07:16 < domhnall> obsd is my daily driver...
07:16 < mouses> eb0t: yeah, it's also a lot less elitist
07:16 < cmj> it's nice to see such enthusiasm
07:17 < eb0t> whereas arech its all about read the wiki and they dont speak to you until you are genius level
07:17 < cmj> just remember, we all use linux
07:17 < eb0t> ye
07:17 < mouses> cmj: Yes, and I get so annoyed with the gatekeeping sometimes
07:17 < mouses> It's like - some newbie came to YOU for help, don't try to make them feel stupid
07:17 < eb0t> i think i got banned about 4 or 5 times from archlinux channel when i first installed it
07:17 < mouses> feel flattered and teach them, you will learn something as well!
07:18 < eb0t> yes ..well the gentoo guys thats what they do
07:18 < eb0t> they will sit down wit you all day until problem is solved
07:18 < voldial> can I ask ps to resolve paths? I want to know which mpv pid 29476 is https://bpaste.net/show/9d335160cb95
07:18 < mouses> eb0t: yup!
07:18 < domhnall> cant say I've had any trouble with arch community support
07:18 < mouses> voldial: use pstree?
07:18 < [R]> voldial: "which mpv"?
07:18 < eb0t> good ...domhnall you probably have a likeable attitude
07:19 < mouses> voldial: or pgrep
07:19 < eb0t> but im impatient type and need my shit sorting NOW
07:19 < voldial> [R]: well, I want that at ps time
07:19 < eb0t> and they dont appreciate that kind of attitude
07:19 < [R]> voldial: what?
07:19 < domhnall> well, that is likely, and I'm willing to try something before I ask
07:19 < eb0t> yes it helps ..but im always on a deadline
07:19 < eb0t> which doesnt owrk well on irc
07:19 < voldial> [R]: when I ask ps, I want to know the path that that pid is using. I know it's somewhere in prov.
07:19 < voldial> prov
07:20 < voldial> ack. /proc
07:20 < [R]>  /proc/pid/exe
07:20 < supernov3h> ugh why do some arguments come up as invalid if they're in quotes, they don't even propogate through to the program
07:20 < jimm> eb0t, but, if you're on a dead line ahd you tell them that... there's a way that can be viewed as a comparison of the value of your time with theirs :)
07:20 < voldial> [R]: ah. but no way to get ps to spit that out? I read man ps
07:20 < [R]> you could read the code...
07:20 < eb0t> this channel is pretty flexible though ...you can have a good row and some humour and still not get banned
07:21 < [R]> supernov3h: "come up as invalid"?
07:21 < voldial> [R]: willdo. figured I would ask to make sure I was not missing the obvious. thanks as always.
07:21 < eb0t> yes i have learned some irc eitquitte over the years and there are some great guys
07:22 < eb0t> soem real personalities
07:22 < voldial> mouses: pgrep. neat new to me. cant get it to spit out /usr/bin/mpv instead of "mpv" yet, but thanks. I'll read man
07:23 < supernov3h> [R]: I get told they're not valid parameters
07:23 < [R]> supernov3h: what?
07:24 < cmj> "…" is different than '…' if that's what you mean
07:24 < supernov3h> [R]:  on the command line if I run useradd --expiredate "", with a bunch of other args, it works, if in a program I have a variable args="--expiredate \"\"", and it's substituted into "$(useradd $args etc user)" it comes up as invalid
07:25 < mouses> voldial: No problem!  Hope it leads you the right way, not 100% sure it does what you want but it's a fun one :)
07:25 < cmj> supernov3h: join #bash and ask
07:25 < supernov3h> Oh I thought this was it
07:25 < supernov3h> my mistake
07:25 < voldial> mouses: ya, pstree I forgot about, but it wont do it either as far as I can see.
07:25 < cmj> well they are fined tuned to these questions
07:25 < supernov3h> cmj: I know i thought this was #bash
07:26 < voldial> mouses: I prob need to just make s dsl in py for /proc to ask for specifics
07:26 < cmj> just tread lightly, pedantic bunch
07:26 < mouses> cmj: +++
07:26 < voldial> ah. #bash is awesome.
07:27 < cmj> yup
07:27 < voldial> just read the faq first
07:27 < cmj> greycat has an aweseme wiki
07:28 < cmj> if anything it's for the irclogs
07:29 < usr123> Hello, I am new to ubuntu and linux. I see windows machine on my wireless network have no internet issues at all and go upto 20Mbps. However, all ubuntu machines have trouble even opening webpages and don't go beyond 0.5Mbps. Also Speedtest shows Latency Error most times. I am using ubuntu 16.04
07:31 < [R]> usr123: what if you boot linux on your windows machines
07:31 < usr123> [R]: You mean in a virtualbox or something?
07:31 < [R]> no
07:31 < usr123> or dual boot?
07:31 < [R]> tahts not goin to test anything
07:32 < usr123> No it doesn't work on dual boot machines as well
07:32 < [R]> so the exact same computer
07:32 < mouses> usr123: is the wifi on this machine a intel wifi chipset?
07:32 < [R]> if you boot windows it works and if you boot linux it doesnt?
07:32 < usr123> But it works if they boot into windows
07:32 < [R]> sounds like crap hardware
07:32 < usr123> [R]: Yes
07:33 < mouses> there is a known issue with 802.11n and iwlwifi Intel chips.
07:33 < mouses> usr123: what does this return: sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi
07:35 < cmj> you've loaded the correct firmware / intel-microcode ?
07:35 < usr123> mouses: https://dpaste.de/h6zH this is what i got with sudo lshw. running command suggested by you now
07:36 < cmj> intel ucode changes quite a bit. update it and try again.
07:37 < usr123> mouses: rmmod: ERROR: missing module name. modprobe: FATAL: Error running remove command for iwlwifi
07:38 < cmj>  [   15.529593] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: loaded firmware version 36.e91976c0.0 op_mode iwlmvm
07:38 < Chex> cmj: oh hai
07:38 < usr123> cmj: I'm sorry was that addressed to me?
07:38 < mouses> usr123: ack... no idea then.  I had slow wifi on a 18.04 machine but it was a intel thing, and it looks like you're not using intel hardware.
07:39 < cmj> yes, usr123
07:39 < mouses> usr123: doing some homework for some ideas for you
07:39 < cmj> update your intel-microcode
07:39 < Chex> cmj: I need to get on my Gnome issue with my 16.04 desktop box
07:39 < Chex> i could ask here, but I dont want to embarrass myself
07:39 < cmj> you can pull from git too if you have issues with newer kernels
07:40 < usr123> I'm not sure, but people all over the internet say that it's an avahi issue, or a ipv6 issue
07:40 < cmj> avahi? you have intel i thought
07:41 < cmj> can you even bring the device up?
07:41 < cmj> avahi is not for wifi drivers
07:41 < mouses> usr123: it could be ipv6
07:41 < mouses> usr123: try this:
07:42 < mouses> sudo nano /etc/gai.conf
07:42 < mouses> Locate #precedence ::ffff:0:0/96 100 and and remove the #.
07:42 < mouses> usr123: and then give it a reboot and see what happens
07:42 < Whoroo> is there a capable FOSS 3d cad package available for linux?
07:42 < usr123> mouses: Did that, no good
07:43 < mouses> usr123: you rebooted?
07:43 < epicmetal> How does one remove icons from buttons in MATE. For example, the Cancel button in Caja has a "stop sign" icon.
07:43 < epicmetal> ?*
07:43 < usr123> mouses: Yeah, I did that yesterday
07:44 < mouses> usr123: okay, can you run this please
07:44 < mouses> sudo lshw | nc termbin.com 9999
07:45 < mouses> and paste the link provided - (always make sure to check those kind of links yourself first, sometimes they can give away info you might not want to give away - not in this case, though)
07:45 < usr123> http://termbin.com/mfvj
07:46 < mouses> usr123: hmmmm, someone else here might know better - but check out that wireless interface
07:46 < mouses> firmware = n/a
07:47 < mouses> usr123: vs a more 'normal' result like - https://pastebin.com/TrE7Chse
07:48 < mouses> usr123: oh oh oh, been a while since I have ubuntued - but have you checked the 'additional drivers' section of it's control panel?
07:48 < mouses> maybe there's something there waiting for you
07:49 < usr123> mouses: No additional drivers available
07:51 < mouses> usr123: Okay, one more idea...
07:51 < mouses> usr123: in the network control panel thing, disable ipv6 from there?
07:51 < usr123> mouses: How can I do that?
07:52 < mouses> usr123: what does this return:
07:52 < mouses> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
07:52 < pingfloyd> if you're going to see if ipv6 is causing the issue use the kernel parameter ip6.disable=1
07:52 < pingfloyd> e.g., try booting with that one and testing
07:52 < mouses> usr123: should be a 0 or a 1
07:53 < usr123> 0
07:53 < usr123> what does that mean?
07:53 < mouses> that means ipv6 is running
07:53 < mouses> okay, let's disable it
07:53 < pingfloyd> means ipv6 is enabled
07:54 < mouses> usr123: sudo nano /etc/sysctl.conf
07:54 < pingfloyd> why make it permanent yet?
07:54 < pingfloyd> you should test it first
07:54 < pingfloyd> .e.g., reboot, hit 'e' on grub menu screen and add parameter to test
07:54 < mouses> pingfloyd: *shrug* it's not hard to edit it back, but maybe I'm lasy
07:54 < mouses> lazy*
07:54 < domhnall> wait, so 0 is enable? how?
07:55 < mouses> usr123: add the following 3 lines to the end of the file I had you nano
07:55 < mouses> https://pastebin.com/dvFEW2ju
07:55 < pingfloyd> if that fixes it and you want to make it permanent, then edit sysctl.conf
07:55 < mouses> usr123: after you save that file, run this to make the changes live
07:55 < mouses> usr123: sudo sysctl -p to update
07:55 < pingfloyd> or, edit /etc/default/grub
07:55 < mouses> usr123: and finally, run that cat command again and it should show 1
07:56 < ricochet69> howdy do, strangers ~  .. somebody please inform me as to how one one proceed in producing .tar.bz2.sig and/or .asc-files to accompany OS image-files please. It's recommended as a security precaution and seemingly a common request among the security-minded as well as good practice to publish such files alongside the main binaries (or whatever other file-type). I can't fully understand why though, if someone could enlighten me on that bit
07:56 < ricochet69>  as well .. that'd be gr8 .. thanks in advance dewds.  (I mean, in case of a targeted and pre-planned MITM-attack where data is seemlessly manipulated on-the-fly or using a static pre-set 'waterhole'-kinda site, would the malicious adversary not similarly be able to simply alter the signature files similarly thus rendering their presumed authenticity and integrity invalid .. ?  ..Thx in advance for any input y'all ! =]
07:56 < usr123> mouses: Did it
07:57 < mouses> usr123: okay, is that cat command showing 1 now?
07:57 < mouses> cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
07:57 < [R]> ricochet69: whats an example of this file you want to create
07:57 < usr123> still 0
07:57 < mouses> usr123: did you do a sudo sysctl -p
07:58 < usr123> its 1
07:58 < mouses> perfect
07:58 < mouses> now just to be safe
07:58 < mouses> disconnect from wifi and reconnect
07:58 < mouses> and then check your speeds!
07:58 < ricochet69> Hm. Let's say a custom Debian-build .iso-file. And/or also, at least (as I can ascertain will be of need right now) additionally Windows 2016 server images that I'll download myself and make available on a custom host for downloading.
07:58 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: the why is so that the user has a means to make sure they copy they got is authentic (i.e., determine if anyone has gone behind you, tampered, and repacked)
07:58 < usr123> Ok, please dont go any where mouses
07:58 < mouses> usr123: i'll be right here
07:58 < [R]> ricochet69: no one cares what iso yo uwant to make
07:58 < [R]> [10:57:30] <[R]> ricochet69: whats an example of this file you want to create
07:59 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: i.e., they their copy is a pristine copy from the author
07:59 < sauvin> I'm lazy. I'd just do an md5sum.
07:59 < ricochet69> pingfloyd: If someone would be able to tamper with the image-file, could they not simply tamper with the signature-file as well (make their own to match, producing "valid, authentic" response upon user verification) ?
08:00 < usr123> wait let me enjoy this moment
08:00 < mouses> usr123: hahahaha all good now?! :)
08:00 < skizzy> anyone know how to make a network namespace and have it have internet access?
08:00 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: the signature wouldn't authenticate against your public key
08:00 < ricochet69> That'd only apply if the user had my pub.key stored in advance then, right..?  Otherwise.. be at risk..true..?
08:00 < [R]> skizzy: create a bridge and put the virtual interface in it with your real ethernet
08:01 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: you're going to be giving out your pub key
08:01 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: you keep private key safe
08:01 < pingfloyd> like your pub key goes up on keyservers
08:01 < usr123> mouses: Not as fast as some machines, but definitely doable
08:01 < mouses> usr123: YAY!
08:01 < usr123> mouses: Can't thank you enough
08:01 < ricochet69> So publishing of pub. key initially should be done elsewhere independently or otherwise through presumed secure channels..aye?
08:01 < mouses> usr123: no problem at all, i'm always happy to help!!
08:01 < usr123> pingfloyd: Thank you too. :)
08:01 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: good for you for addressing your users' concerns on that by the way
08:01 < mouses> usr123: I love it when things work and a problem is solved
08:02 < mouses> usr123: techincally pingfloyd's solution was more proper but I'm a wuss when it comes to futzing with grub
08:02 < pingfloyd> mouses: I like the kernel param because you can count on it completely disabling ipv6 support in every way
08:02 < ricochet69> =) .. I wanna get a habit of actually checking to verify keys of files I download too. I've seen it "strongly suggested" on numerous sites through the years, yet never really got around to it..  stupidly. I guess I should..   I bet most people don't, either. =s
08:03 < mouses> pingfloyd: yeah, makes sense and I noted that for future help for others
08:03 < pingfloyd> changing the setting under /proc can have mixed results
08:03 < mouses> ricochet69: i'd never install a OS/image without at least some sort of verification
08:03 < usr123> Hey, how do you guys know this stuff? I've been doing overthewire to learn linux, any more tips?
08:03 < pingfloyd> if you determine that ipv6 was the issue, then you might go back and experiment under proc, which ipv6 related setting is triggering the issue
08:04 < mouses> usr123: just keep using it, keep asking questions, keep reading!
08:04 < ricochet69> Howd I produce a .sig and .asc file for my image-file though? Seemingly it will possibly be a .tgz, .tbz or .tar.bz2 file (the OS-image. Unsure if that'd further contain an ISO, or the actual OS files itself .... hmh.)
08:04 < pingfloyd> and then determine if it's a problem with say your router just being proprietary and piss poor, or a bug that should be reported.
08:04 < mouses> usr123: it's like anything else really, you learn by doing
08:04 < ricochet69> mouses: nice..   still, afraid most aren't as smart to take care with time doing that though..:/
08:04 < mouses> usr123: you were on the right track, you mentioned ipv6 before I even thought of it :)
08:05 < mouses> ricochet69: yeah - I think it's less 'being smart' and more just 'being lazy' or 'not reading that part'
08:05 < mouses> ricochet69: I mean, chances are you are totally fine if you get the image file from the official source, but sometimes those can be compromised I suppose
08:06 < skizzy> [R], thanks, i've got a lot to learn but will look into that
08:07 < usr123> mouses: But why does disabling ipv6 work? I read it was some sort of DNS issue
08:07 < pingfloyd> usr123: learn by experience, reading, and experimentation
08:07 < ricochet69> mouses: yeah
08:07 < mouses> usr123: As pingfloyd mentioned, it could be a problem with your router, or it could be a bug - really hard to say :(
08:08 < pingfloyd> also the reason I said 'proprietary and piss poor' instead of just 'piss poor' is because it were 'open and piss poor' there is hope of the router's firmware being fixed.
08:08 < usr123> mouses: I read it somewhere that ipv6 is enabled by default in ubuntu and many routers don't support it yet. And that somehow results in DNS faliures
08:08 < usr123> pingfloyd: Any resources you may mention?
08:08 < mouses> usr123: right, many routers either don't support ipv6 or support it poorly
08:09 < ricochet69> usr123: I'd suggest hop into it, get Linux and force yaself to overcome eventual issues (rather than resorting to the easy fix and zap back on to Win (or whatever)).. possibly and/or  use  VirtualBox, HyperV, .. or similar and run some Linux distros on your Win/Mac as well (also useful, beyond what Cygwin may offer, or the Windows-ified versions they offer through the app store (yet far better than Cygwin!...).    I like  Kali (or some m
08:09 < ricochet69> odified versions,  Parrot, BlackArch and similar common general-purpose security/anonymity/forensic-focused distros and think they'd be nice for encouraging use of Nix... many tools there may be found quite interesting, and reveal flaws in your network and/or software you ought to get looked at (before some more shady folks do.. or anyway to know the possibilities (not rarely engaged in by kids even.. ha)
08:09 < domhnall> ricochet69: http://www.benmccann.com/creating-asc-signature-files-with-gpg/
08:10 < ricochet69> usr123  can't you use some  ipv6 to ipv4 tunneling program perhaps..? ..I'd think they'd be in Ubuntus default repo but unsure...  not far away anyways
08:10 < ricochet69> domhnall: Cool. You have my thanks!
08:10 < pingfloyd> usr123: I know of the issue that causes problems with ipv6 in linux in regards to routers is that some routers don't have the necessary support to allow parallel name resolution support in lib6 correctly.
08:10 < pingfloyd> *libc
08:11 < pingfloyd> so you may see where ipv6 lookups work fine in say firefox, but not in apt
08:11 < pingfloyd> that's because firefox's resolution is independent of libc
08:12 < ricochet69> Firefox would by default use default system proxy settings (including DNS resolving..) would it not, on every release?
08:12 < pingfloyd> but apt (just one example) fails its lookups since it depends on libc like any program designed with proper unix tenet in mind.
08:12 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: maybe the default has changed for all I know
08:13 < ricochet69> Yandex however maybe not.. (I didn't check to verify supposed claims -- iirc..), or possibly likewise in case of use of Opera ('s VPN-feature)
08:13 < pingfloyd> ricochet69: this was a noticeable anomaly in the past
08:13 < ricochet69> hm.. don't think so,but.. yeah I don't know for sure either.. didn't test since past update or few 'tleast..
08:15 < pingfloyd> quantum had major changes too
08:15 < pingfloyd> major overhaul of ff
08:16 < usr123> Ok guys, thanks everyone. This was really helpful.
08:17 < domhnall> bit strange they named it same as nsa quantum program..
08:19 < FlorianBd> where is the place in /proc where I can access the counter of bytes transferred on each network interface?  (what ifconfig shows)
08:20 < mouses> FlorianBd: /proc/net/dev
08:21 < FlorianBd> Ah! perfect! thanks mouses :)
08:21 < mouses> FlorianBd: :-) glad to help
08:46 < mohabaks> hello folks I have a script under /sbin/ifup-local in CentOS but it doesn't get executed and its executable;do I need to do anything
08:52 < momomo> Don't block me. One line. Looking for a Linux Sysadmin in Europe, for a great job oppurtonity in Stockholm city. Well payed, permanent / temporary (based on your preference). Immediate Accommodation. One crux, has to also know Elastic Search. Need to be filled immediately.
08:53 < epicmetal> Is there some kind of overlay for X11 that notifies the user of NumLock/CapsLock/ScrollLock status when any of those keys are pressed?
08:53 < epicmetal> Or is there some MATE panel applet
08:53 < epicmetal> For people with keyboards that don't have LEDs
08:56 < Pentode> something like: xset q | grep LED
08:57 < Pentode> you'd have to write something, i dont know of anything existing, tho
08:57 < Pentode> sounds like a fun little project. do it. :)
08:59 < rpgio> epicmetal: yes there is, look at 'Accessibility' options
08:59 < rpgio> it's either called beep keys or locking keys
09:00 < rpgio> on KDE Plasma you can even have the notifier alert you when you've pressed one of those keys
09:02 < epicmetal> rpgio: I've only got sticky keys, slow keys and bounce keys on MATE 1.20.1
09:02 < epicmetal> Pentode: no :)
09:03 < Smuckerz> Pentode o_0 interesting nick, I've got a good friend who goes by Triode
09:03 < rpgio> epicmetal: https://askubuntu.com/questions/799437/lock-keys-panel-indicator-for-mate-desktop?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
09:03 < Pentode> well im twice as good ;p
09:04 < Smuckerz> lol maybe, but don't always need a freaking pentode
09:04 < potatoe> a pentode is a standard tube no
09:04 < potatoe> used quite often in amps
09:04 < Pentode> pretty common
09:05 < Smuckerz> potatoe i don't think there's such a thing as a "standard tube"
09:05 < epicmetal> rpgio: thanks
09:05 < azarus> Pentode: "penta" is five, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numeral_prefix
09:06 < Smuckerz> azarus yup
09:06 < azarus> (so you're 1.66666 times as good)
09:06 < Pentode> im aware, thanks. :P
09:06 < azarus> PEOPLE ARE WRONG ON THE INTERNET, I MUST CORRECT THEM; AS IT IS MY DUTY
09:10 < pingfloyd> simma down now
09:10 < azarus> Sure, was just mucking about :p
09:16 < Oxyz> how can I make SED print "all" matches...
09:16 < Oxyz> echo "first match 1, second match 2, thrid match 3, abc" | sed -e 's/.*match \(.*\),.*/\1/'
09:17 < Oxyz> so the get the absove to print 1 2 3
09:21  * jsgrant_ is tempted to preorder that Atari Console; A bit disappointed with specs though...
09:23 < Smuckerz> azarus https://xkcd.com/386/  is this you?
09:30 < geirha> Oxyz: that's not trivial with sed
09:30 < Oxyz> geirha: ok..  how to achive it ..awk ?
09:30 < Oxyz> geirha: so its legit question then =)
09:30 < geirha> awk would certainly be easier, yes
09:31 < geirha> awk '{ for (i = 1; i < NF; ++i) if ($i == "match") printf("%s ",$(i+1)+0); printf("\n") }'
09:31 < geirha> something like that
09:31 < Oxyz> geirha: ok, so back to square one =)
09:32 < geirha> awk '{ for (i = 1; i < NF; ++i) if ($i == "match") printf("%d ", $(i+1)); printf("\n") }'
09:33 < geirha> if it's really just the one line, I'd probably use bash instead though
09:33 < azarus> Smuckerz: exactly
09:34 < pingfloyd> parse it into an array and then output from there
09:34 < novik> Can I see the data that is written to an open file descriptor of a process? Something to the effect of tail -f /proc/pid/fd/1?
09:35 < safeith> Hello Dear, I Installed fedora 28 in my macbook pro 2017 but there is a critical problem about read-only file system after suspend/resume, Are there any solution for it
09:36 < Oxyz> geirha: awsome!
09:36 < Oxyz> thanks!
09:38 < wadadli> I have the following setup host -> vm -> nested vm -> docker containers
09:38 < wadadli> How can I access the docker container services from host?
09:39 < wadadli> I tried firewall-cmd --permanent --add-forward-port=port=8443:proto=tcp:toport=8443:toaddr=192.168.42.50 from vm since it can reach the docker network
10:07 < leeyaa> hello
10:07 < leeyaa> i have some 400-500TB of static files data that I need to sync across DCs. they have 10Gbps uplink between them. can you guys recommend how to do it other than using rsyncd ?
10:07 < leeyaa> maybe drbd ?
10:07 < leeyaa> i need to replicate it on 3 sites
10:07 < afidegnum> hello good morning, my Terminal colour just changed to white i don't understand why, his is my bashrc http://termbin.com/5tww
10:13 < nekoseam> :)
10:18 < afidegnum> any insight?
10:19 < mouses> afidegnum: are you using a GUI terminal client?
10:19 < mouses> afidegnum: If so, check it's settings?
10:20 < mouses> afidegnum: or add a .disabled to your .bashrc and restart the terminal that way you can tell if that is causing your problems?
10:21 < afidegnum> mouses: where do i add the .disabled ?
10:22 < mouses> afidegnum: to the file - mv .bashrc .bashrc.disabled
10:23 < mouses> then when done testing, mv .bashrc.disabled .bashrc
10:23 < mouses> or whatever the file name is
10:23 < mouses> is it .bashrc or bashrc
10:23 < mouses> I always forget lol
10:23 < afidegnum> ok
10:23 < mouses> yeah it's .bashrc
10:24 < mouses> then close terminal and reopen
10:24 < mouses> if it's still white, you know the problem is in the terminal emulator
10:24 < mouses> if it's fixed, you know the problem is in your .bashrc
10:27 < graff> possible I could get someone who is a specilist in iptables to look at what we need to do for hlibc?
10:27 < Zajt> Is there any good tool to clean up my kali linux? i had lots of files on it some time ago but removed many, and now I just did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" and after that, it said I have low space left again :o
10:27 < graff> we're a foss group, we don't have any way way of paying but to give attribution
10:28 < graff> and perhaps access to some high powered servers
10:28 < Zajt> I can remove .cache folder and all subfolders in it right?
10:28 < afidegnum> mouses: i have done as you said, it's still white
10:29 < DLange> what does (h)libc have to do with iptables, graff?
10:29 < graff> we have a server now that serves gitlab
10:29 < DLange> do you mean which syscalls you need to implement to make it the iptables executable work?
10:29 < graff> and multiple shell accounts for our developers
10:29 < graff> and things are startingto get a bit lodgey
10:30 < graff> I think the best option is to try and tighten things up using iptables rules
10:30 < DLange> yes, gitlab is a ... very modern web architecture (read: a compilation of everything and then some ... ruby)
10:30 < graff> I'm willing to do the grunt work myself, but now that I am actually sysadmining i realize how hard it is
10:30 < mouses> afidegnum: okay, so what terminal emulator are you using?
10:31 < DLange> not really as the server will be exploited via gitlab bugs and iptables won't help you there
10:31 < afidegnum> currently on ubuntu, and using the default terminal,
10:31 < graff> DLange: i hope not
10:31 < graff> this has ended up a lot of really hard work
10:31 < afidegnum> connecting to the remote server is where the issue is happening
10:31 < DLange> hope is not really a concept in IT security :)
10:31 < graff> :)
10:31 < graff> well that is why I am trying to take it seriously and am coming here looking for help
10:32 < jim> the thing about iptables in modern kernels... it's -gone-, been replaced by nftables (what?! how can that be? I have a modern kernel and I write iptables rules! gone?!) yep, gone, and yep, you're writing iptables rules, that get translated by a compatibility layer to nftables rules
10:32 < graff> DLange: so what shoudl I do to try and prevent these exploits?
10:32 < DLange> I recommend good backups that cannot be overwritten from the source system (i.e. it does not have a ssh key pair that would allow overwriting old backups in any case possible)
10:32 < graff> just keep on top of gitlab updates?
10:32 < DLange> that definitely
10:32 < graff> yeah I am trying to make entire system backups
10:32 < mouses> afidegnum: oh, that's weird
10:33 < mouses> afidegnum: no idea, sorry :(
10:33 < DLange> subscribe to their mailing list so you get the security-preannouncements and can plan when to be awake to install updates asap
10:33 < graff> but am having a hard time trusting that they work right. i guess i need to try booting one of them
10:33 < DLange> yes, backup is easy, restore is hard
10:33 < graff> tar -czf / just doesn;t seem to work well with modern system
10:34 < graff> so i exclude /proc and some other stuff, but am left wondering wtf
10:34 < DLange> the gitlab people found that out themselves some time ago when they hosed their hosted systems' DB
10:34 < DLange> https://about.gitlab.com/2017/02/10/postmortem-of-database-outage-of-january-31/
10:35 < graff> jim: good to know, thank you
10:35 < afidegnum> is there a way to display all events happened to the PC in the past 3 hours?
10:35 < afidegnum> using history display only one for hte bash
10:35 < graff> interestingly for aarch64 arm v8 a lot of syscalls were replaced
10:36 < graff> the modern way is to use a much slimmer set. where open is in terms of openat and so on
10:36 < graff> I'm thinking of slimming our whole syscall layer to just use this technique. so even i386 would use only aarch64's syscalls
10:36 < DLange> afidegnum: not unless you have installed auditing software. But check the logs in /var/log/** or journalctl (if you run systemd), may be you are lucky and find what you are looking for
10:37 < jim> graff, welcome... so, it looks like you're writing iptables rules... and you are... but, they stop being iptables rules and become rules that were translated to nftables rules... and so, when they're interpreted, it's an nftables rule that gets run
10:38 < graff> yeah, still I should probably be aware of the difference
10:38 < Oxyz> geirha: U still there ?
10:38 < jim> please spell out u as you, it helps people (particularly new english speakers) to understand, at least, most of what's going on
10:39 < graff> So I will go about this in two ways for now; 1> testing our backup system to make sure it can be booted into a working system 2> continuing o research iptables/nftables
10:39 < afidegnum> DLange: journalctl doesn't display all the logs, just one from the time the server got rebooted
10:39 < graff> and when gitlab updates come out I will run them
10:40 < muhaha> Any idea, pls? https://pastebin.com/dNFDsxay I am trying to run .net app on Alpine. Thanks
10:43 < hussam> hello. if I have a folder A with 10 subfolders, and I create thousands of temporary files in each folder, then delete them, and restart the machine, the size of the folder A and its 10 empty subfolders is now 5 times the initial size according to 'du -BK'?
10:43 < hussam> ext4
10:44 < andywww> why might a ping work and a traceroute/http request fail?
10:44 < post-factum> i think directory dentries do not shrink, actually
10:45 < DLange> afidegnum: that's the default in some distros. You have to enable "journal persistency" (aka write them to disks) to keep them beyond reboots
10:45 < post-factum> andywww: censorship, for instance
10:45 < DLange> (note this leads to a lot of kernel hangs as per https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/9079 so either option is ... bad at the moment)
10:47 < hussam> post-factum: Is it a ext4 design choice or something specific to Linux in general?
10:47 < nekoseam> decided to try terminal programs again (mutt, ranger, music players, ect.) and I'm glad I did. It's time to stop being lazy so I can be more lazy with doing things around my operating system
10:48 < andywww> post-factum: i’m trying to have a server download from a remote resource and am getting the following: https://gist.github.com/wanabewired/5ea523cb2c054897f2f83669396b2c35
10:48 < andywww> is it possible for me to intervene somehow to give it a nudge?
10:49 < DLange> hussam: fsck.ext4 -D /dev/my_unmounted_filesystem  can optimize the directories again
10:50 < hussam> DLange: Awesome. Thank you.
10:50 < afidegnum> DLange: could this be a security issue?
10:51 < geirha> Oxyz: yes
10:51 < DLange> afidegnum: not having logs? Well, it means security issues may less likely be detected.
10:51 < post-factum> hussam: it is ext4-specific, to my knowledge. however, yeah, fsck can fix it
10:52 < post-factum> andywww: try increasing ping packet size slowly
10:52 < post-factum> andywww: maybe, this is an mtu issue or so
10:53 < DLange> rubygems just uses Fastly, they often don't notice when one of their edge nodes is bonkers
10:53 < DLange> just try again in an hour
10:56 < andywww> will do thanks
10:59 < andywww> what do we consider a large packet?
10:59 < andywww> 25000 seems to work okay
11:01 < post-factum> anything that is bigger than 1500
11:03 < post-factum> andywww: add "-M dont" option
11:03 < post-factum> or "do", or "want"
11:03 < post-factum> if you really'd like to make some networking fun out of this
11:03 < andywww> still seems to work okay with ping rubygems.org -s 25000 -M dont
11:07 < nekoseam> xxxxxxxxxxxtmux quit it
11:08 < aclaivi> If I'm setting up another linux partition to boot from, do I need to have seperate boot partitions or can they all go on the same one
11:08 < aclaivi> Eg. Just add the required info to grub
11:10 < Pentode> it's only really necessary when using raid or encryption
11:11 < nekoseam> Does anyone here like having their software be developed by the same people? I mean I like FVWM and it's developed by the same guy who develops rvxt. And the creator of tmux has contributed to fvwm and even forked it once
11:16 < jhodrien> Pentode: Or using a commercial linux that doesn't support that configuration even if it works.
11:16 < aclaivi> Will new linux installations most likely detect GRUB on a boot partition then?
11:16 < jhodrien> aclaivi: No need for a second /boot, although there *can* be advantages in doing so, simply because it keeps the two distributions more isolated.
11:17 < Armand> nekoseam: I don't really care any which way.. I just want stuff that works. :)
11:17 < aclaivi> I'm a netsec student so I've allocated a portion of one of my HDDs to a kali install, just making sure I dont need to add extra parts for booting/etc
11:18 < aclaivi> Quite happy for it to all run off the main boot partition
11:20 < Oxyz> geirha: Im trying to decode / understand you awk =)
11:21 < Oxyz> if I wanted to search for pattern "}i:" instead if "match"..      awk '{ for (i = 1; i < NF; ++i) if ($i == "}i:") printf("%s ",$(i+1)+0); printf("\n") }'.  instead of  awk '{ for (i = 1; i < NF; ++i) if ($i == "match") printf("%s ",$(i+1)+0); printf("\n") }'
11:21 < Oxyz> no ?
11:21 < Oxyz> if -> of
11:23 < Oxyz> in a pattern like:   :"matches";a:0:{}}i:22;O:10:"rRSSFilter"
11:24 < Oxyz> so in this case getting the value 22?
11:26 < nekoseam> tmux STOO
11:28 < nekoseam> ranger image preview is pretty buggy
11:30 < hehehe> whats the best command to move all folders and files 1 level up?
11:30 < hehehe> mv something?
11:31 < azarus> mv * ..
11:31 < azarus> done
11:32 < zax1> im struggling to start java applets (JNLP) from a ubuntu desktop. i installed java but still this isnt working
11:32 < zax1> any one knows how i make firefox and chrome able to run jnlp files ?
11:32 < hehehe> what is ..
11:33 < hehehe> path to the new dir?
11:33 < Pentode> mv -r * ../ if you want it to be recursive
11:33 < azarus> hehehe: .. is the dir above
11:34 < hehehe> maybe .* to pick hidden files as well?
11:34 < hehehe> azarus: I see
11:35 < hehehe> mv: invalid option -- 'r'
11:35 < hehehe> weird
11:36 < hehehe> Pentode: why it wont accept -r?
11:37 < Pentode> cus my brain, you don't need it
11:37 < Pentode> only necessary with cp
11:39 < yuken> Mounted a SAMBA share in my fstab, can't access files in it unless I do it as root. //192.168.2.235/media /media/windows cifs credentials=/home/jason/.smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,sec=ntlmssp 0 0
11:39 < yuken> all dirs are "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root". I can access it fine under Windows.
11:40 < yuken> Any ideas why this would be happening?
11:41 < alexandre9099> not sure if this is the best place to ask. being a tor exit node can make an IP address "blacklisted" because of the traffic that might go trough it, how about syncthing relay, would it be similar? or every data that goes trough the relay goes encrypted to another syncthing client?
11:42 < nekoseam__> test
11:43 < alexandre9099> your test was recieved :D
11:43 < nekoseam__> why wont my regular nick disconnect
11:43 < nekoseam__> argh
11:43 < Armand> nekoseam__: /msg nickserv release nick
11:43 < Armand> release or ghost
11:44 < nekoseam__> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
11:44 < nekoseam__> when trying to login it says name is unavailable
11:44 < Armand> So, you just used ghost ?
11:45 < djph> if nekoseam__ isn't registered, it could be this channel getting in the way
11:45 < Armand> Ahh
11:45 < nekoseam__> hol up
11:45 < Armand> Yes... +r I think ?
11:45 < djph> I've had that happen before
11:48 < nekoseam_> test
11:48 < nekoseam_> my name still isnt available
11:48 < nekoseam_> im getting a bit worried
11:48 < hehehe> ok
11:49 < alexandre9099> have you issued /nick nekoseam before logging in?
11:49 < nekoseam_> yeah
11:49 < nekoseam_> many, many times
11:49 < alexandre9099> try to go to #freenode
11:49 < hehehe> try /nick Idontknowwhatto do
11:49 < nekoseam_> does it temp shutdown an account when you try and login too many times
11:49 < hehehe> lol
11:49 < hehehe> yes
11:49 < nekoseam_> welp
11:49 < alexandre9099> like how many?
11:49 < nekoseam_> like a shitton
11:49 < alexandre9099> it never happened to me
11:50 < nekoseam_> (20+)
11:50 < hehehe> msg nickserv release nick password
11:50 < alexandre9099> go to #freenode and ask for help
11:52 < nekoseam> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
11:52 < zax1> im struggling to start java applets (JNLP) from a ubuntu desktop. i installed java but still this isnt working...any one knows how i make firefox and chrome able to run jnlp files ?
11:56 < nekoseam> :D
11:56 < post-factum> zax1: i think you need java web start (or "iced tea", or how the hell it is called now)
11:56 < post-factum> zax1: icedtea-web pkg in Arch, dunno about bubuntu
11:57 < zax1> brilliant ! thanks post-factum
12:09 < hojuruku> http://theothermccain.com/2018/05/30/coraline-ada-ehmke-transgender-feminist-satanic-sjw/
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12:20 < thblt> Hi!  I'm looking for some kind of USB-C/Thunderbolt laptop dock with a few USB ports, one or two Displayports outputs and an ethernet plug.  I don't think I need power through USB-C (I think it's capped at 100W and my laptop (Dell 4K XPS 9560) takes 130W).  Would any model work with Linux or what should I check?
12:20 < thblt> Thanks!
12:23 < eto> hello can somebody enlighten my tmpfs doesn't support user xattrs?
12:24 < eto> that makes it essentially useless
12:27 < Rembo> hello everyone, how can i find when/if my computer was booted on single mode?
12:28 < jhodrien> eto: Essentially useless?
12:29 < djph> Rembo: typically, you'd be sitting at it when that happens
12:29 < epicmetal> Rembo: journalctl |grep 'Command line: .*single'
12:30 < eto> jhodrien: okay atrs in security namespace and others can be set but why not user one?
12:30 < epicmetal> Rembo: there's probably a more elegant way, but yeah
12:30 < eto> jhodrien: and yes this makes tmpfs xatrrs useless for normal user
12:32 < thblt> Rembo: epicmetal: I don't think journalctl defaults to the current boot only.  Use journalctl -b0
12:33 < jhodrien> But it doesn't make tmpfs essentially useless.
12:36 < epicmetal> thblt: true, but he said "when", so I gave him all the "whens" :)
12:41 < jhodrien> I can set ACLs, and I can set SELinux contexts.
12:44 < eto> jhodrien: well let's say I copy xattr equipped file from zfs onto tmpfs. it will essentially strip any xattrs. for such crucial filesystem thats sounds like major hassle
12:45 < jhodrien> You copy a file from zfs onto xfs and you'll end up with borked ACLs too, as XFS doesn't support NFSv4 ACLs.
12:45 < jhodrien> tmpfs *isn't* a general purpose filesystem.
12:45 < eto> jhodrien: yes but you have choice to not use xfs, tmpfs is required for things like /run or /tmp
12:45 < eto> jhodrien: more over it seems to support any other xattr namespace besides user - i fail to see what is logic behind that
12:47 < jhodrien> You'd need to look into the source rather than just declare it dumb.  I can see: "This implementation could easily support the user.* namespace as well, except some care needs to be taken to prevent large amounts of unswappable memory being allocated for unprivileged users."
12:48 < jhodrien> https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-mm/msg109775.html
12:50 < arecaceae> Does rsync detect when a file just got inserted a big block in the middle and not copy everything before/after that inserted-block, but instead keep and just "move" everything to the right of it it already has received?
12:50 < djph> no
12:51 < djph> it creates a list of files to move, and processes them.  If you change the list mid-process you'll either get an error (because you deleted a file), or it'll be ignored
12:51 < arecaceae> djph: I meant its the same file, just got a big-block inserted in the middle of it
12:51 < djph> oh
12:52 < djph> it transfers the changes
12:52 < arecaceae> djph: and my question was if it'd just transfer that block or if it would transfer everything after that as well because it cant detect it already has those and just needs to move it
12:52 < arecaceae> djph: ah okay, thanks
12:52 < arecaceae> guess its useful would only be very limited if it wouldnt do it, just wanted to make sure
12:53 < arecaceae> s/useful/usefulnes
12:53 < djph> if you have a 1MB file, and add another 200k in the middle, it SHOULD result in 200k of data being transferred.
12:53 < Rembo> thblt , epicmetal , i want to see if my ubuntu server was booted in single mode
12:53 < jhodrien> Although that's quite hard to get right.
12:53 < djph> (might be 200k + following, because patch / diff / etc)
12:53 < phatcat> hello, I seem to have a problem with my touchpad.. it works on booting
12:53 < phatcat> however it suddenly freezes after some time
12:53 < phatcat> how do I fix that?
12:53 < phatcat> the "touchpad" is not even listed under "mouse & touchpad" in gui, just the mouse
12:53 < arecaceae> djph: thanks, that's what I hoped for
12:53 < Rembo> https://hastebin.com/qoxejizize.go
12:54 < djph> arecaceae: yeah, it's quite good at it.  I don't know the exact mechanics, but I think that on file changes, it essentially only sends the diffs / patches the other end (but there may be more going on in the background
12:54 < jhodrien> Growth in the middle is a pretty horrible case though.
12:55 < jhodrien> Change, yes, growth, urgh.
12:59 < epicmetal> So if a non-superuser thread has CAP_CHOWN, can it change ownership of absolutely any file on the filesystem, or does it still need execute permissions for all dirs in the path to the dir containing the file, plus write permissions on said dir?
12:59 < epicmetal> (or some other such restriction)
13:01 < epicmetal> The manpage says "arbitrary changes" so I'm guessing the former
13:05  * epicmetal discovers capsh
13:07 < RebelCoder> ananke, any idea ? Never had that problem before. Trying to run my scripts on a new linux image...
13:15 < BluesKaj> Hi folks
13:15 < eto> jhodrien: thanks, how did you find it?
13:16 < eto> jhodrien: anyway still, doesn't size= prevents from that overall (i am already using it)
13:16 < eto> jhodrien: or it means size= doesn't affect allowed xattrs?
13:20 < kcn> Hi, is there a document that I can lookup the meaning of kernel config options?
13:21 < kcn> for exmaple, I'd know what CONFIG_PM_SLEEP means. Can I find it in some man page?
13:21 < baitshell> maybe man sysctl
13:22 < epicmetal> baitshell: different thing
13:22 < RayTracer> kcn: there should be a Kconfig file with a summary of that option
13:23 < RayTracer> kcn: eg. https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/PM_SLEEP.html
13:23 < eb0t> hey i am trying to get my linux terminal to adopt some fonts...for wheni open uxrvt
13:23 < eb0t> i cant make it show up under any circumstance ..i put the command to open the right terminal in .Xdefaults
13:23 < skywater> I added ecdsa-sha2-nistp256  public key to my known hosts file via openssh by doing this command: ssh ip -p 1000 -l username, but how to get the ssh-rsa from the same ip and also put that into the known host file?
13:23 < eb0t> also put it in Xresources
13:23 < eb0t> and also have it in .xinitrc
13:24 < eb0t> but only way i get the fonts is when the terminal opens i run the command in the terminal
13:24 < kcn> RayTracer: thanks!
13:25 < epicmetal> eb0t: .Xdefaults is read by the X server when it starts. .Xresources is read by xrdb. Not sure what you're doing in .xinitrc. Are you running xrdb to pull in .Xresources?
13:25 < eb0t> yes epicmetal
13:25 < eb0t> i read online that xserver is also read at the end after a terminal has been run in x
13:25 < eb0t> not sure if its right
13:27 < RayTracer> skywater: ssh-keyscan -t rsa remotehost >> ~/.ssh/known_hosts?
13:28 < eb0t> im probably gonna have to botch it ..and put a source .Xdefaults in my .bashrc
13:42 < Hejkki> hi. is there an easy way to selectively (by date) copy all mail from an imap server to another?
13:42 < Hejkki> for example may 2018
13:44 < Hejkki> imapcopy copies all mail, regardless of the date
13:46 < thblt> Hejkki: if you just need to do this once, I'd just create two maildirs with mbsync, arrange them as needed (using mu or something) then sync them back
13:46 < RayTracer> or copy them over with eg. thunderbird
13:47 < Hejkki> i have to do it for ~40 mailboxes
13:47 < Hejkki> and just once
13:47 < RayTracer> clearly not out of reach for manual action https://xkcd.com/1205/
13:49 < Hejkki> sorry, not ~40 mailboxes, i mean ~40 accounts with multiple mail directories
13:49 < RayTracer> are you working at silly tasks inc or what? ;)
13:49 < Hejkki> :D
13:50 < Hejkki> no, we copied mail from a wrong mail server that was changed to another a month ago, and now in the second server there are messages i need to copy to a third server that will finally be used.
13:50 < Hejkki> so, there were 2 changes of servers
13:53 < thblt> Hejkki: Well I think my solution would work.
13:54 < thblt> mbsync + mu + shell scripting
13:55 < Hejkki> thblt: yea, i'll check that
14:00 < Hejkki> thanks
14:03 < Sayona> Hello, anyone know how I fix the conflicts from aws repo and epel repo?
14:05 < post-factum> remove one of them
14:07 < Sayona> :) if i remove i get the same result as yum update
14:08 < post-factum> then, define you issue in a more clear manner
14:08 < post-factum> *your
14:09 < Sayona> http://pastebin.centos.org/802591/ , when I use yum update on AWS
14:10 < balance> hi
14:11 < balance> is it okay to ask a general question about open source here? no idea where else
14:11 < fattredd> Go for it
14:12 < post-factum> Sayona: why using those amazon packages?
14:13 < Sayona> I think those was automated instaled, is a new instance
14:13 < Sayona> I will terminate and create again the instance and remove the repo amazon
14:13 < balance> so was discussing making a commercial product open source with a friend and the question arised: If my product is open source, some evil person could get my code and create a new product but closed source - I couldn't really knwo it, since it's closed source. How do open source people who have a commercial license deal with that? We don't have any product, was just a discussion
14:14 < fattredd> Licensing
14:14 < fattredd> https://choosealicense.com/
14:15 < balance> fattredd: yeah, the person is evil => he doesnt care about licenses
14:15 < balance> thanks for the link though
14:15 < fattredd> Yeah, but that's illegal
14:16 < balance> fattredd: yeah but what if the perso nis really really evil, like joker evil :P I was just wondering, if that happens, what would one do/could he do anything at all?
14:17 < fattredd> You could sue and figure out that if the software is stolen, or a clean room rewrite
14:17 < golden_rule> fuckin google
14:18 < golden_rule> i just factory reset my tablet and i can't add an account anymore....
14:18 < golden_rule> it hangs and hangs and hangs....wth
14:18 < golden_rule> i use the same password and account name on other devices it works....
14:18 < golden_rule> but here it kinda stalls
14:19 < golden_rule> not sure wth is going on
14:20 < balance_> sry dced
14:20 < golden_rule> welp
14:20 < golden_rule> a few minutes is not a few hours....
14:20 < golden_rule> hopefully
14:23 < dgs> argh. can I just say, that it really sucks when your copy and paste w/ redirection fails and you accidentally clobber a 84G file that you've just spent the last 90 minutes watching being written out to disk
14:23 < RayTracer> oops
14:23 < dgs> pasting from history and accidentally grabbed the line number which cause it to fail and direct that into my file =/
14:24 < RayTracer> you're not the first and you'll not be the last.. although it probably occurs not often with a 84g file
14:24 < dgs> haha
14:24 < dgs> true
14:25 < dgs> at least two times of those have been me over the last few weeks =p
14:25 < dgs> it's an svn repo that's had a ton of binary files added to it over 10+ years -trying to filter and clean it up a bit
14:26 < dgs> turns out to be a bit of crap exercise - just takes so long to do anything when it's running through 80 gig of disk
14:27 < nicholasBPM> When copying text from a terminal window the text gets divided in multiple lines.. any work around?
14:27 < dgs> try a different terminal?
14:27 < dgs> shouldn't do that normally
14:28 < nicholasBPM> dgs, LXTerminal 0.2.0, what should i google after?
14:28 < nicholasBPM> dgs, sorry i mean i use LXTerminal
14:28 < dgs> dunno - just about anything other than that maybe?
14:33 < kcn> Hi, I'm trying to understand a function in the kernel src.
14:33 < kcn> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.0/source/include/net/net_namespace.h#L193
14:34 < kcn> so put_net() and get_net() seem to be complements and relevant to network namespace
14:50 < noodlepie> Hiya guys (and gals!)
14:51 < rypervenche> Hey there.
14:52 < noodlepie> Hi rypervenche! @:P-~
14:53 < post-factum> hi, whoever you are
14:53 < rypervenche> noodlepie: Here to tell us more about how you love Gentoo? lol
14:54 < noodlepie> Well as Gentoo packages are build from source, packages tend to arrive in Gentoo repositories quicker than binary package distributions of the OS. Gentoo is really just a software collection as it has specifc "Gentoo only" functions
14:55 < noodlepie> And it keeps the system simple by just offering application on it offer. 99% of Gentoo configuration is left to the package
14:56 < rypervenche> noodlepie: Actually, it's not that simple. The ebuild has to be created and vetted by a maintainer. Takes just as long, if not longer to get it into Gentoo, depending on who is maintaining it.
14:56 < azarus> like being able to say that your compilation options are soooo much better than anyone else's
14:56 < azarus> top 1 gentoo feature
14:56 < noodlepie> So there are probably more alternative softwares for it, each on a different profile
14:56 < rypervenche> noodlepie: Also not true. You should browse some of the ebuilds :)
14:56 < noodlepie> I like Debian too, for slower machines as packages install quicker
14:57 < noodlepie> I don't use distributions that are basically 99% the same as Gentoo or Debian with a fangled desktop of its own
14:57 < azarus> good for you...?
14:57 < noodlepie> And i only use the Free stuff in my Gentoo system.
14:58 < post-factum> good. now go and create your own blog
14:59 < noodlepie> Really I like Gentoo most because it doesn't get in the way of what to do, and actually helps in a number of conditions
14:59  * azarus remembers all the wasted hours compiling
14:59 < noodlepie> mirrored distributions let you update without trapsing through the net to find updates for a single packages.
15:00 < noodlepie> That's a killer feature for Free Software
15:00 < rypervenche> noodlepie: You should add ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FREE" to your make.conf to make sure your statement holds true :)
15:01 < noodlepie> Nice rypervenche! @:P-~
15:01 < noodlepie> ^_^
15:01 < post-factum> and switch to linux-libre
15:01 < rypervenche> And deblob your kernel.
15:01 < rypervenche> noodlepie: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Kernel_Deblobing
15:01 < azarus> linux-libre == deblobbed kernel
15:01 < azarus> no difference there
15:02 < azarus> i also once used to be pedantic that my system be 100% libre, not anymore tough
15:06 < Psi-Jack> I love when people use the word "pedantic" not knowing what it actually means. :)
15:07 < post-factum> -Wall -Wextra -pedantic
15:07 < Psi-Jack> hahaha
15:09 < Felonious28> I don't know why people these days are way too lazy to bother to check for the dictionary definition.
15:10 < BluesKaj> Psi-Jack, it sounds impressive , like the  over use of "functionality"
15:10 < Psi-Jack> Heh
15:10 < mawk> when you steal words from french you're not even able to use them correctly
15:11 < Psi-Jack> I think everyone watched that Family Guy episode where he kept calling everyone Pedantic and Shallow, and got stuck on that pedantic part. :)
15:13 < Felonious28> Some insults are honestly stupid, it makes me feel they've ran out of ideas.
15:13 < BluesKaj> family guy ugh !
15:13 < Felonious28> Which they are clearly showing, and not trying to cover up the truth at all.
15:14 < Felonious28> Which distro do you guys use?
15:14 < Psi-Jack> Mine.
15:14 < post-factum> arch
15:15 < post-factum> except of 2 of us others just pretend to use linux
15:15 < Felonious28> Mhm.
15:16 < djph> mx
15:16 < Felonious28> I like to use Linux when I'm bored of messing around with virtual machines.
15:18 < Felonious28> I like using Lua for Linux programming because it's not complicated to set up, and I like the language's layout.
15:19 < Psi-Jack> Allllllrighty then.
15:31 < Psi-Jack> Anyway, g'mornin everybody. :)
15:33 < illkitten> good morning
15:35 < azarus> i like it when people are pedantic over my use of 'pedantic' >:)
15:44 < Pentode> morning shmorning
15:44 < Pentode> whats good about it *grumble*
15:44 < mawk> still not the correct use azarus
15:44 < mawk> pedantism is all about oneself
15:45 < mawk> it's the bragging of the distinguished
15:45 < djph> mawk: err ... pedant (n): a person who is excessively concerned with minor details and rules or with displaying academic learning.
15:45 < mawk> so unhappy with stealing the word from french, you corrupted the true meaning of it
15:46 < azarus> mawk: <what djph said>
15:46 < kurahaupo_> mawk: pendantry
15:46 < azarus> also, cry some more?
15:46 < kurahaupo_> *Pedantry
15:53 < djph> ... so for giggles, while perhaps based on French, the French in turn is based on the Italian "pedante", which roughly translates to "schoolmaster" which is theorized to have roots, roughly to the Latin paedagogans (i.e. 'pedagogue')
15:53 < djph> language is fun.
15:55 < post-factum> "paedagogans" is an ancient word meaning "i couldn't find another job"
16:00 < JimBuntu> I think "school" "master" might be a mistranslation, although no doubt proper in context. It's more like 'teacher of children'
16:08 < ayecee> schoolmaster is a teacher
16:09 < ayecee> more of a commonwealth term though
16:13 < twainwek> i find that rather shallow and pedantic
16:14 < ayecee> indeed. shallow _and_ pedantic.
16:23 < varliberate> woot
16:24 < varliberate> isn't linux awesome!
16:25 < azarus> it's a pretty nifty kernel, yes
16:25 < varliberate> and electron hey
16:26 < azarus> ... public opinion is rather divided about that
16:26 < varliberate> cool, do tell
16:27 < azarus> it's huge, inefficient, and rather slow. also using the "web" for standard applications isn't the brightest idea imo
16:27 < varliberate> hmm ok
16:27 < MrGrz> hi....i am from indonesia
16:27 < azarus> it's effectively just chrome
16:27 < post-factum> MrGrz: hi, so?
16:28 < King_DuckZ> hi, chatting with a coworker I was telling about this kernel module programming book I've been reading and how kernel programming differs from regular programming, for example you don't have glibc, but then he insisted I do have glibc or even stdlibc++ as I can just statically link into my module, is that true?
16:28 < post-factum> no
16:28 < varliberate> i don't have a strong opinion but stuff I've seen made in it makes it look like a pretty probable framework
16:28 < MrGrz> i wanna die :)
16:28 < eb0t> hey when installing anew font from command line....how do you know what sizes the font can take
16:28 < varliberate> slack?
16:28 < post-factum> MrGrz: how could we help?
16:28 < King_DuckZ> like, going by that reasoning I could even have ruby, as long as I statically link *everything* into a huge module
16:29 < eb0t> i mean it seems that a lot of fonts cant just be resized at values you just assume
16:29 < post-factum> King_DuckZ: kernel module? no
16:29 < King_DuckZ> but... lol? is it a good idea, or is it even doable?
16:29 < MrGrz> bye :)
16:29 < post-factum> MrGrz: take care
16:29 < varliberate> =]
16:29 < azarus> R.I.P MrGrz
16:30 < Pentode> go on and get it over with then, go on and get it over with then...
16:30  * Pentode sings
16:30 < King_DuckZ> post-factum: that's what I said, but... what's the reason? he insisted a lot, really
16:30 < varliberate> c also
16:30 < varliberate> love that c :)
16:31 < varliberate> (I'm in a pretty good mood about computing today)
16:32 < varliberate> so - no point in management software at all any more because of infrastructure as code tear down and rebuilt - cattle - discuss?
16:34 < varliberate> seriously i'm not trolling - or a journo
16:36 < varliberate> just nailed my best linux dev gig in 20 years
16:37 < Dominian> I hope you got her number
16:37 < varliberate> ahahaha
16:37 < Pentode> eb0t, http://www.lcdf.org/type/#typetools
16:37 < varliberate> oh yeah, that probably means something different in some places lol
16:37 < Pentode> otfinfo may be what you are looking for..
16:37 < varliberate> won
16:38 < eb0t> thanks Pentode
16:40 < varliberate> and how are those alpine linux containers hey! an OS in 5Meg - so neat
16:40 < varliberate> when I was a lad 16K was the starting point lol
16:41 < varliberate> for all ram that is heh
16:43 < qweqweqwe> 🖖
16:43 < lpapp> hi, how is it possible that du -sh /* reports up to 4.5 GB roughly, but df / shows that 9 GB is used?
16:43 < qweqweqwe> checked nodes?
16:44 < qweqweqwe> argh autocorrect - checked inodes?
16:44 < qweqweqwe> df -i  or something
16:45 < Casper> hello there, anyone here know about fat32 file allocation table parsing straight out of the disk? damaged FAT due to bad sectors, trying to see if I can manually patch it up so I recover most names.... So far... I fail3ed, and don't understand why (or it got quick formatted) so looking for some help
16:46 < qweqweqwe> maybe #foresnics? 🙌
16:47 < lpapp> du -sh differs based on whether you run it with root privileges.
16:47 < Pentode> if the allocation table is missing data you are pretty much screwd
16:47 < qweqweqwe> lpapp, interesting
16:47 < Pentode> you can suck bits off the disk and try and do something with them but ugh...
16:48 < qweqweqwe> yeah that's right
16:48 < qweqweqwe> if you have some idea what the start and end of every file might look like
16:49 < qweqweqwe> pretty *$ unlikely they will all be identical
16:49 < Casper> qweqweqwe: checking<
16:50 < qweqweqwe> bet there is some neat forensic software though - probs costs a bit
16:51 < Pentode> i mean if you just did a quick format, or lost the partition table, there is hope. but if actual data has been over written or lost pertaining to the table then its not very hopeful.
16:52 < qweqweqwe> kill the fat kill the windows disk
16:52 < Pentode> testdisk is pretty good
16:52 < Pentode> i think it does fat? im not sure.
16:52 < RayTracer> or photorec
16:52 < Casper> Pentode: personally, I did nothing, but dunnot what the drive owner did
16:52 < qweqweqwe> give gpartd a go for sure
16:53 < qweqweqwe> gparted
16:53 < Casper> I'll check those 2, every time I tried them so far it give zero result...
16:54 < qweqweqwe> sound like a job for ai
16:55 < qweqweqwe> program that to play the what the fsck is on this disk game
16:56 < qweqweqwe> so - reckon it would be possible to use aws ai stuff to win every "what song is that" radio comp on the planet lol
16:57 < qweqweqwe> "what stupid sound was that?"
17:03 < qweqweqwe> thanks ##linux :)
17:34 < hojuruku> https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1002207361858195456
17:34 < hojuruku> http://theothermccain.com/2018/05/30/coraline-ada-ehmke-transgender-feminist-satanic-sjw/ rubycon keynote speaker exposed as a SJW OTO.org (toddler orgy ritual cult) who made the creator "covenant" pedophilia normalization manifesto: https://8ch.net/pol/res/11616373.html Corey's rival anti-sjw devs are tweeting it out: https://twitter.com/pmjones/status/1002186358813798401
17:34 < hojuruku> 40k open source software projects are tainted by a policy made by a pedophile
17:35 < hojuruku> that pedophiles must be respected. It hasn't been this bad since hans riser went on a murder spree.
17:40 < Armand> hojuruku: Do you have anything other than tawdry bullshit to bring here ?
17:40 < Pentode> nope
17:40 < Armand> Clearly
17:40 < Pentode> and he'll call you a diddler lover if you say otherwise
17:41 < Armand> His momma didn't say anything about being a diddler
17:41 < Pentode> i just added him to my list last time. guess he's on his advertising role about LGBTs and crazy sex cults again?
17:41 < hojuruku> Yeah: right now i'm hacking my tp-link router to work in USB device mode, cross compiling for the MIPS.
17:42 < Pentode> dont get me wrong, maybe whatever you are doing is good and i might even agree with some of it but it's really not the place for it.
17:42 < hojuruku> We'll the SJW has reacted to the news a Wasington Times Reporter has done a story on them: https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1002207361858195456 you can go over there and give your support to the tranny gay dad if you want.
17:42 < hojuruku> who is on the wikipedia page of top 20 opensource heros
17:42 < hojuruku> let me find it..
17:42 < Armand> I'd like to believe you, hojuruku... but it's more likely that you're downloading CP
17:42 < hojuruku> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Open_source_advocates
17:43 < hojuruku> ^^^ TRANNY GAY DADS OTO CHILD SEX CULT MEMBER - OPENSOURCE TOP 20 - PAID BY GITHUB $260k and FIRED ^^^
17:43 < Armand> That'll do. :)
17:53 < BloopMonster> test
17:53 < BloopMonster> yay!
17:54 < jim> vest, lest my best dest rest
17:55 < compdoc> give it a rest, lest we beat the crap outta you
17:55 < jim> don't let it fester, mister
17:56 < jim> (also, careful with the mild hostility please :)
17:57  * Pentode smacks jim around a bit with a large catfish 
17:57 < Pentode> oops, wrong button. ;)
17:57 < jim> ahh, a button man
17:58 < Pentode> well, i mostly like toggle switches and sometimes backlit square buttons.
17:58 < Pentode> you know the industrial kind
18:00 < jim> I don't know if I've ever seen one
18:01 < Pentode> kinda like the ones you find on some arcade machines
18:01  * Armand tickles jim's face with a brick!
18:02  * badsekter slaps armand around a bit with a large trout
18:04  * jim slaps jim around a bit with a large planet...
18:04 < jim> I'm dead, jim, but not as I know it
18:05 < Armand> Kinky....
18:05 < jim> different
18:05 < Pentode> that was a perfectly good planet. :/
18:06 < Bru-> mornin
18:06 < Armand> Now it has Jim's face prints all over it. ¬_¬
18:06 < Bru-> anyone here ever use KDEConnect for SMS purposes?
18:06 < jim> did anyone get the license plate of that planet?
18:06 < Pentode> nah he was from outa galaxy i couldn't read the characters
18:07 < Armand> Kinda looked like Bulgarian. O_o
18:07 < jim> that's bulgar...
18:07 < Armand> You're vulgar!
18:07 < Armand> Ohh, wait...
18:10 < Bru-> whitey bulgar
18:10 < Bru-> debating whether i should waste my time with kdeconnect or not, or if itll have the same issues as airdroid does for windows
18:11 < jim> apparantly kde connect wants to use bluetooth to pair devices
18:12 < zax1> Bru-, what do you wanna use it for ?.
18:12 < Bru-> primarily just SMS sending/receiving
18:13 < Bru-> i like pushbullet, but I dont want to pay... :/
18:14 < zax1> to send sms by typing on the keyboard instead of thumbing on the screen ?
18:16 < gronke> If I have a command thats goes: "cat myfile | another_command", what exactly is that cat command doing there?
18:16 < triceratux> its concatenating
18:16 < jim> I think cell companies have email domains, where you can text someone by emailling 6175556789@their.domain.com
18:17 < gronke> triceratux, but i thought it concatenated two files, like cat myfile myfile1
18:17 < jim> gronke, putting myfile on stdout
18:17 < triceratux> gronke: yep but in unix everything is a file, even pipes. thats the whole point
18:17 < jim> it can, and can also do it to one file
18:18 < gronke> jim so it's adding myfile to standard out, and then what's the pipe for?
18:18 < gronke> triceratux, oh so it's concatenating myfile and the pipe contents?
18:18 < jim> the pipe sends stdout to the stdin of a command
18:18 < gronke> ohh
18:21 < jim> so, in cmd1 | cmd2 | cmd3. cmd1 probably prints something, which goes to stdout, the pipe sends that to the stdin of cmd2, which prints something to stdout and that second pipe sends that stdout to the stdin of cmd3
18:22 < barteks2x> why would grub disappear after using hiubernation on linux?
18:23 < jim> when you say disappear, what did you observe first?
18:23 < barteks2x> This was the first time I used hibernation. It seemed like it was successful, but after attempoting to resume, it booted straight into windows, and grub was gone
18:23 < barteks2x> (it's EFI btw)
18:24 < barteks2x> and yes, it's actually gone, not just changed the default bootloader
18:24 < jim> makes me wonder if the grub was installed in efi mode
18:24 < barteks2x> I'm 100% sure it was
18:25 < jim> ok, can you look at the efi partition and give a list of files?
18:25 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, when you go into boot menu for bios - can you see grub?
18:25 < barteks2x> I'm on windows... how would I open that partition on windows?
18:25 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, or can you see options
18:25 < barteks2x> CustosLimen, that's what mean bu "it
18:25 < barteks2x> 's gone"
18:25 < barteks2x> only the windows boot manager is there
18:26 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, I blame windows
18:26 < barteks2x> I didn't even boot windows in between...
18:26 < barteks2x> it just resumed straight into windopws from  hibernation
18:26 < BloopMonster> Anyone using the Dell XPS touch model?  Is touch even remotely worth having?
18:26 < jim> well efi partitions are usually formatted with fat32 or maybe ntfs... so, possibly you can see it somehow,,, I'm just not sure how under windows
18:26 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, are both operating systems on same disk ?
18:26 < BloopMonster> I'm almost positive I don't want to bother with getting the touch model, but ehhh... might as well ask
18:27 < barteks2x> CustosLimen, they are on the same physical disk but obviously on different partitions
18:27 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, touch is the devil's playground
18:27 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, okay but AFAIK there can be only one EFI system partition
18:27 < BloopMonster> CustosLimen: Haha That's kinda what I figured :) I don't see much upside
18:27 < barteks2x> I know EFI partition is FAT32 but I have no clue how to view it's contents on windows
18:27 < barteks2x> I don't use windows most of the time
18:27 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, if you go to system manager you should be able to see disks
18:28 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, from there you can maybe mount it
18:28 < jim> BloopMonster, it's possible they have more info about that on ##hardware?
18:28 < CustosLimen> sorry I have not booted windows in years so I dunno exactly where either
18:28 < CustosLimen> barteks2x, maybe you can ask in ##windows ?
18:28 < CustosLimen> or something
18:28 < BloopMonster> jim: Thanks. I didn't think about checking elsewhere.  I'm not very interested in it though.  I doubt it works well, and I really can't imagine actually using it.  I just figured I'd ask in case anyone's found a good usecase for it
18:29 < thatpythonguy> why do some channels have two #'s?
18:29 < CustosLimen> thatpythonguy, becaause they are twice as much channel as the ones with only one #
18:29 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, actually - let me look at the device
18:29 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, you have a tablet ?
18:30 < jim> BloopMonster, ok, it sounds like you were thinking of a specific use case, that the dell might (or might not) fill?
18:30 < thatpythonguy> CustosLimen, what does 'twice as much channel' mean? like size?
18:30 < BloopMonster> CustosLimen: Not yet. I'm going to buy a Dell XPS laptop soon, but I was just wondering if the touch model was worth having on Linux
18:30 < CustosLimen> thatpythonguy, no just like if you have two mustaches you are twice as much cowboy
18:30 < BloopMonster> jim: Nothing specific, just any usefull thing touch might offer to the linux environment on a desktop setup
18:30 < jim> thatpythonguy, you can't handle the #!
18:31 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, actually if it is this: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/xps-12-2-in-1-laptop/spd/xps-12-9250
18:31 < thatpythonguy> i feel like there's an inside joke in there I'll understand one day
18:31 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, or this: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-12-9250-4K-Convertible-Review.162679.0.html
18:32 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, I think maybe it is worth going for touch
18:32 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, do you have exact link to device ?
18:32 < CustosLimen> or link to exact device ?
18:33 < BloopMonster> CustosLimen: Something along the lines of this  http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/cty/pdp/spd/xps-15-9570-laptop/fncwxb1653s
18:33 < jim> thatpythonguy, seriously, # channels are ones that freenode considers "on topic" and many have a group contact (that it takes a couple years for freenode to issue, once they apply)... while ## channels are "about" channels
18:33 < jim> thatpythonguy, so, it's a designation that freenode "invented"
18:34 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, then no
18:34 < CustosLimen> BloopMonster, on somethng like that "convertible" I would go for touch
18:34 < CustosLimen> but I would not easily buy that
18:34 < CustosLimen> as I would be worried about what linux to run on it
18:34 < CustosLimen> or sorry what desktop envionment
18:34 < pilsner> sup o/
18:35 < BloopMonster> CustosLimen: haha thanks. :) I thought so but figured I'd at least ask.  I was thinking the same.  I doubt touch would run on it very well, and I can't really think of anything I'd want to do on a laptop/touch pad hybrid anyway
18:35 < zax1> BloopMonster, i use the xps-15 and loving it...touch screen ? i never really use it . i dont like finger prints on screen... but "better looking at it then looking for it" - get it!
18:35 < Psi-Jack> CustosLimen: Heh. I have an HP "convertable", and well, it works just fine with Arch that I put on, but of course I'm not going to recommend someone to use Arch.
18:35 < BloopMonster> zax1: Oh, nice.  Everything else runs good though?  I'm thinking about getting the 13", but the 15" looks pretty nice
18:35 < CustosLimen> Psi-Jack, love arch that much eh ;)
18:35 < Psi-Jack> And I actually use XFCE4 session+panel, with i3 window-manager blend of mine.
18:36 < jim> CustosLimen, while this might not be true in all cases, if one linux would run on it, then all should
18:36 < Psi-Jack> CustosLimen: I hate arch, actually. It just does what I want it to mostly.
18:36 < BloopMonster> Psi-Jack: I'm wanting to switch to i3 soon.  It looks really good
18:36 < CustosLimen> Psi-Jack, yeah I get it ;)
18:36 < Psi-Jack> BloopMonster: i3 is different, for sure.
18:36 < zax1> i have enough cores ram and storage to run the entire infrastructure for a small office if i put virtualbox or vmware on it
18:36 < Psi-Jack> zax1: Even better: KVM! :)
18:37 < CustosLimen> Psi-Jack, do you use onscreen keyboard?
18:37 < zax1> im not sure im tasking it enough wit hmy notepad and irc use
18:37 < zax1> :)
18:37 < Psi-Jack> CustosLimen: I do use onscreen, yes.
18:37 < jim> BloopMonster, i3 is very small (well at least compared to a DE), and i3 is a window manager
18:37 < CustosLimen> Psi-Jack, or how do you do it in converted mode ?
18:37 < Psi-Jack> I haven't yet configured onscreen to run always, just during login, so far.
18:37 < CustosLimen> okay cool
18:37 < thatpythonguy> jim, thanks for the info
18:38 < Psi-Jack> Mostly because my laptop is usually used in conjunction with a desktop and linked with Synergy.
18:38 < jim> welcome
18:38 < Psi-Jack> But... logins, are not accessible by synergy, and for security reasons I kept it that way.
18:38 < BloopMonster> jim: Yeah. I haven't run linux as a desktop in years, but I'm getting tired of having less and less control of my macbook, so I'm switching soon.  I really dig i3 so far.  The other window managers look like they've outgrown what I want.  I can't imagine using a touchscreen with i3 though, so right off the bat the XPS touch laptop is pretty pointless for my use case
18:39 < thatpythonguy> r/unixporn has convinced me to try bspwm
18:39 < Psi-Jack> BloopMonster: heh, you don't generally use touch screen... With i3. Or even a mouse so much.
18:40 < Psi-Jack> Blasted reddit #@%! *shakes fist* ;)
18:40 < jim> thatpythonguy, here's another take: since Linus owns the trademark "linux", if he were here and functioned in an administrative capacity, freenode would be willing at least to grant a # channel, so we'd be #linux instead of ##linux
18:40 < BloopMonster> Psi-Jack: Exactly :) Sounds great haha.  I did wonder though if the touch screen worked well enough, maybe KDE or Gnome would have a place in my WM list
18:40 < Psi-Jack> BloopMonster: I use xfce4-session and xfce4-panel, paired with i3, paired mostly these days with Gnome based apps, like evolution, nautilus, gedit, etc.
18:41 < Psi-Jack> light-locker for my desktop screensaver/locker.
18:41 < jim> BloopMonster, kde and gnome occupy a different spot in the "hierarchy"
18:41 < Psi-Jack> A /lot/ of customization. Even down to the way I setup i3 workspaces. ;)
18:43 < BloopMonster> jim: Yeah, I think GTK apps are would be tethered to gnome themes and such?
18:43 < BloopMonster> Can't type today... would* still* be
18:44 < jim> BloopMonster, as an example, a DE ("desktop environment") will -use- a WM ("window manager"), -and- it's also possible for a person's setup to use a window manager stand-alone
18:44 < BloopMonster> jim: +1 makes sense
18:45 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, a DE is a combination of wm+apps
18:45 < jim> sometimes you can run a DE and select among several windo manager you want it to use
18:45 < Psi-Jack> Usually apps ~= email client, file manager, settings, etc
18:45 < jim> functionality-wise...
18:46 < jim> a window manager is the thing that decorates windows, and responds to events that originate from windows (or seem to)
18:47 < triceratux> terminal, imageviewer, cdburner, gui editor, mimetype editor
18:47 < Psi-Jack> Well, a window-manager specifcally handles user control interfacing for windows.
18:48 < jim> without a window manager, you couldn't move or resize a window (without programming something), and it would simply appear as an empty, white rectangle
18:48 < Psi-Jack> Like, how you interact with a graphical program's placement, size, position, and decorations, if any decorations are  used.
18:48 < jim> and what Psi-Jack said
18:49 < Psi-Jack> It wouldn't appear as an empty white rectangle, you just couldn't interact with it as much. It would be in a specific spot, un-managed.
18:49 < barteks2x> So I finally can accesss the EFI partition, what shopuld I look for there?
18:50 < jim> it's a different way to explain it, and probably is more technically accurate... my explanation was purposely missing some detail so you could understand it better
18:51 < jim> barteks2x, how many files are there?
18:51 < barteks2x> there are 3 directories: EFI, boot, grub
18:52 < barteks2x> *BOOT
18:52 < jim> hmm... that's different :)
18:52 < barteks2x> what...?
18:53 < jim> it looks to me like the grub boot loader is there, but for some reason is not being called?
18:53 < barteks2x> It's not even listed in boot menu
18:53 < toothe> I swear, Kali is the worst.
18:53 < barteks2x> \the only thing boot menu shows is windows boot manager
18:53 < toothe> I hate that I have to use it.
18:54 < jim> toothe, curious... first, what makes kali the worst? and, what is it that makes you use it?
18:55 < barteks2x> and the EFI directory contains another 4 directories: Microsoft, Boot, debian, gentoo
18:56 < jim> what dir are you listing? the "/" of the partition?
18:56 < barteks2x> yes
18:57 < jim> barteks2x, hmm, I'm pretty clueless... maybe others know more, and there's also a #grub channel that could be active (dunno for sure)
18:58 < jim> it seems the layout of that dir is different from what I remember
18:58 < barteks2x> just about every time I join some more specific channel, it's mostly dead
18:58 < barteks2x> https://pastebin.com/5zmsPBN2 this is listings of a few directories
18:58 < jim> yeah, and could be #grub is no exception
18:59 < jim> having said that, it might be worth a shot
18:59 < Psi-Jack> barteks2x: What problem are you trying to solve?
18:59 < barteks2x> I'm trying to figure out why grub seems to be gone after trying to use hibernation on lioux
19:00 < jim> Psi-Jack, he installed linux and grub, and now only windows boots
19:00 < Psi-Jack> Did you hibernate from Windows?
19:00 < barteks2x> no... I hibernated linux
19:00 < barteks2x> and after that, it booted into windows
19:00 < Psi-Jack> Does grub not show up at all?
19:00 < barteks2x> boot menu shows no signs of it ever being there
19:01 < barteks2x> but it's files are clearly there on efi partition
19:01 < Psi-Jack> "boot menu?"
19:01 < barteks2x> this is a laptop with a very BIOS-like EFI implem entatyion
19:02 < Psi-Jack> No such thing as a BIOS-like EFI implementation.
19:02 < thatpythonguy> did you make sure both secure boot and quick boot/fast startup  are off?
19:02 < Psi-Jack> What's providing this "boot menu?"
19:02 < Dagmar> yeah it's being ignored because of secure boot
19:02 < barteks2x> the bios is providing the boot menu
19:02 < Psi-Jack> Secure Boot isn't so much a problem if you have a major distro that has a secureboot shim provided.
19:03 < barteks2x> I have to use special power button in the side of my laptop to access the boot menu
19:03 < Psi-Jack> EFI != BIOS
19:03 < Sapphirus> I'll be sad the day legacy boot is deprecated from most UEFIs.
19:03 < thatpythonguy> Psi-Jack, true
19:03 < thatpythonguy> barteks2x, is window's fast startup off?
19:04 < barteks2x> it's on but it has never caused issues
19:04 < barteks2x> only windows updates always managed to break grub
19:04 < s0|> hey does anyone know if SCSI sense errors presented in /var/log/messages or dmesg output from drives involoved in a logical drive from a direct attached raid card that are read errors are read errors after the raid may have corrected them and just letting me know or if it's an error that the raid couldn't correct ?
19:04 < Psi-Jack> More than enough reasons to not dual-boot Windows+anything else. Just run Linux. :)
19:05 < barteks2x> I use windows VERY rarely but when I need it,. there is no way aroun d and wine won't do it
19:05 < Psi-Jack> barteks2x: virt-manager. Just run windows under virtualization. :)
19:05 < Psi-Jack> For those rare times you need it. :)
19:06 < barteks2x> If I knew how to set up a VM that can let windows use dedicated GPU with nvidia optimus, I would do that
19:06 < Psi-Jack> Easy. virt-manager
19:06 < Psi-Jack> Got two video cards?
19:06 < Psi-Jack> Oh, optimus, so I suppose you kinda do.
19:06 < barteks2x> it's  a laptop with nvidia optimus
19:07 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, virt-manager's latest versions has options to passthrough video.
19:07 < barteks2x> and I probably wou;ldn't be able to use the windows installation I already have in a vm
19:07 < barteks2x> so I would need to install everything again
19:07 < Psi-Jack> Besides, why do you specifically need that GPU passthrough?
19:08 < barteks2x> because most of the time when I need windows, I need it either for some game (and I rarely play games). And sometimes my brother uses my laptop, and he uses windows onmly. And he does play games, and my laptop is more powerful than his PC
19:09 < djph> so tell your brother to stop being poor and upgrade his PC
19:09 < barteks2x> he isn't 18 years old yet and so doesn't have a job
19:09 < Psi-Jack> You misunderstand the meaning of "need" :p
19:10 < barteks2x> I could denyt but I definitely don't want to argue with him
19:10 < barteks2x> it never ends well for me
19:10 < Psi-Jack> Mowing lawns is easy for youngins to go out and do. :)
19:10 < barteks2x> except who will pay him for that?
19:12 < barteks2x> And sometimes I actual;ly want GPU driuvers that don't have millions of issues
19:12 < barteks2x> that's where I use windows too
19:13 < barteks2x> anyway, I need it to be able to use at least the nvidia GPU
19:13 < barteks2x> I was never able to get a VM with actual GPU support working
19:13 < djph> funny, I remember having a job at 16 ... also, "I need to upgrade *my* computer so someone else can use it ..."  kids these days
19:14 < sebboh> You know how `cat file|spell` (or `cat file | aspell list`) will print out words in "file" that are mispelled and skip words that are spelled correctly?  I am looking for the opposite function.  I want to skip misspelled words and print correctly spelled words.  Any advice?
19:15 < barteks2x> And another reason I find dual booting windows useful: when I break linux, I still have something I can use that just works
19:15 < barteks2x> And I have something I can test things on if I have weird issues (for example "wifi doesn't work" - how would I ever know if it's just linux or hardware issue?)
19:16 < barteks2x> either way I want to figure out why grub is missing
19:16 < barteks2x> I could just download a linux livecd and reinstall grub but that means I still don't know what went wrong
19:17 < UristMcRM|Tux> bartexs2x: windows install/update probably wiped grub
19:17 < barteks2x> as said before, I will reboot and see if I have secure boot on, or some other stupid option (may take a few hours if windows decides to update now, which it seems it will)
19:17 < UristMcRM|Tux> it has happened to me more than once
19:18 < barteks2x> UristMcRM|Tux, there was no windows update
19:18 < barteks2x> I booted linux just fine, used hibernation, and after resuming, it booted into windows and grub was gone
19:19 < thatpythonguy> i still think its quick startup
19:19 < UristMcRM|Tux> ive had that happen on multiple dual boot systems i have run. windows wipes grub and installs its own bootloader
19:19 < UristMcRM|Tux> it is unbelivibly annoying
19:19 < UristMcRM|Tux> part of why i stopped dual booting and just do gpu-passthru vm
19:19 < barteks2x> UristMcRM|Tux, yes, it does happen. Sometimes it removed grub, sometimes it shifts around partitions (somehow). That I kjnow the cause of
19:19 < barteks2x> and thatpythonguy how would that affect anything?
19:20 < Pentode> i've had windows randomly "repair" the bootloader before
19:20 < Pentode> thank god i don't need to use it any more
19:20 < thatpythonguy> at least we can all agree to hate windows
19:20 < thatpythonguy> barteks2x, i'm not sure but its worth a shot imo
19:21 < barteks2x> thatpythonguy, how could that cha nge ANYTHING if anything related to windows didn't run before that happened?
19:21 < barteks2x> if no windows code runs, there is no way windows can affect anything
19:22 < thatpythonguy> that makes sense. honestly i dont know, it's probably not the solution
19:22 < barteks2x> And I know for a fact all that quick startup did was make it hard to convince linux to mount the windows partition
19:22 < thatpythonguy> unless for some reason the machine rebooted and bios had windows higher on the boot order
19:23 < s0|> anyone know if scsi sense codes for read errors listed in dmesg are after the raid card correction or before or both ?
19:24 < s0|> e.g. does "Unexpected sense. SCSI sense data: Sense key:  3 Sense code: 11 Sense qualifier:  0:  Physical Disk 0:1:7" mean there was a problem but the raid card correct it and the read was okay, or does it mean the read failed even though it was raid.
19:28 < barteks2x> so I checked BIOS settings and it secure boot is turned off
19:35 < barteks2x> apparently this gives an answer to why https://askubuntu.com/questions/743990/boot-loader-grub-disappears-from-bios-boot-sequence-dual-boot-win-10
19:36 < barteks2x> so EFI deleted all the NVRAM entried for some reason, and then it found the windows one and didn't try to look for anything else
19:42 < jiffe> so I have a java program that apparently polls for a file, that file has read permissions on user and group and the java program is running as a user that is a member of the given group, but it fails to read the file unless I give it world read permissions
19:42 < jiffe> this sounds like whatever is trying to do the read is trying to do it as a different user, right?
19:44 < jiffe> I can't think of an alternative but everything looks like this java program is running as the intended user
19:45 < koala_man> jiffe: did you recently add it to the group?
19:46 < jiffe> koala_man: I did so last week
19:46 < koala_man> and the process has been stopped and started since then?
19:47 < bls> do you have the source to this program?
19:48 < jiffe> koala_man: process has been running since last week also so it may not have, this matters?
19:49 < bls> if the program was started before the added the user to the group, yes
19:51 < CrazyTux> triceratux, hello.
19:51 < koala_man> jiffe: group membership is actually per process and not per user. if you add a user to a group, it only affects future logins
19:52 < majuk> Hi all. I am working with an armhf system but I would like to see /all/ packages of /all/ architectures available on a certain repo [https://oss-binaries.phusionpassenger.com/apt/passenger]
19:52 < majuk> Anyone got a method to do this?
19:53 < jiffe> koala_man: is there a way to tell which groups a process is associated with?
19:53 < bls> majuk: read up on: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO ?
19:56 < jiffe> it looks like I can do ps ax o pid,group,gid but this only lists a single group
19:56 < vim_user_19> hey guys! is it possible to use autotiling like in i3 with xfce?
19:57 < bls> vim_user_19: yes, you can use i3 with xfce
19:57 < CrazyTux> anyone here using MX Linux now?
19:58 < vim_user_19> thanks bls. do you have any tutorials``?
19:58 < mattfly> hello
19:58 < bls> no, never used xfce, but pretty sure it's got a tool to switch window managers
19:59 < vim_user_19> thanks for your help!
19:59 < mattfly> I have installed anaconda for python and still have the linux python, but it have changed my path variable and now it is prefering to use anacondas ipython and anacondas pip. I want to keep anaconda executables on my path but i prefer to use the system's pip and ipython
19:59 < jiffe> ah /proc/PID/status lists groups
19:59 < koala_man> jiffe: use supgrp and supgid instead
20:00 < koala_man> or that I guess
20:00 < mattfly> i have removed it from my .basrh but it still calls the anacondas pip and ipython
20:00 < mattfly> how can i set some sort of path prefereded paths? like check first on /usr/bin then on /opt/anaconda/bin
20:00 < uplime> for executables?
20:00 < bls> mattfly: you can set PATH to whatever you want
20:00 < uplime> ^
20:01 < CrazyTux> does KDE consume more battery power?
20:01 < mattfly> yes i did
20:01 < bls> mattfly: so take the one you've got, reorder it, and add it to one of your dotfiles
20:01 < mattfly> how does it work like? what comes last is the first to be checked?
20:01 < bls> no, what comes first is the first checked
20:02 < AE-35> mattfly: use virtualenv
20:02 < mattfly> okay but another problem is i am unable to find out where this anaconda path was set
20:02 < uplime> bash -lx
20:03 < uplime> then look for where it gets sourced
20:05 < mattfly> okay im trying but is such a huge confusing output from that
20:06 < dgurney> CrazyTux, it might when compared to just a basic WM, but it shouldn't be noticeable in normal use
20:06 < bls> the most likely answer is it added a file /etc/profile.d
20:06 < CrazyTux> dgurney, ok
20:06 < bls> but that doesn't matter, you shouldn't be touching that file anyway
20:06 < bls> you have full control over PATH, you don't have to accept the system's default
20:07 < mattfly> how can say it to put this anaconda path to the end of my path variable?
20:08 < bls> adding it to the end if it's already at the front isn't going to help
20:09 < mattfly> i know, how can i remove it from the front?
20:09 < bls> don't put it there
20:10 < mattfly> but i dont know where was it set
20:10 < bls> it doesn't matter
20:11 < mattfly> how can i find it
20:11 < bls> why would you want to?
20:11 < mattfly> i have to remove it from the front
20:11 < bls> no you don't
20:11 < mattfly> i mean the beginning
20:11 < mattfly> its on the begining and on the end now
20:12 < bls> you shouldn't be messing with the system settings. if you want something different, set it yourself
20:12 < mattfly> the end i iset on my .bashrc and on the begining it is since i installed the anaconda package, it did it automatically and i dont know where
20:13 < bls> you can set `PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/anacondon/whatever` in your .bashrc and be done
20:13 < bls> then it won't matter what order the system defaults are in
20:26 < Dagmar> Probably not a good idea to do it that way
20:26 < Dagmar> prepend $PATH: to that assignment
20:28 < bls> that's the problem, he installed something that sounds like it's added itself to the front of PATH via /etc/profile.d or some other mechanism
20:29 < redredhathat> im about to ask a really dumb question. but how can make an alias where it automagically cats a file and pipes it into less
20:30 < bls> so he can set his path himself (should probably at least append $PATH) or he can edit that file, which will likely get overwritten every time he updates
20:30 < uplime> redredhathat: why would you do that?
20:30 < redredhathat> ideally id do `lesscat filename`
20:30 < uplime> just: less filename
20:30 < redredhathat> wow
20:30 < redredhathat> im dumb
20:30 < uplime> haha
20:30 < bls> alias foo='cat file|less'
20:30 < bls> although the cat is pointless
20:30 < uplime> and file is static
20:30 < redredhathat> *facepal,s*
20:31 < uplime> you would want a function, not an alias: lesscat() { cat "$1" | less; }
20:31 < uplime> but of course, less <file> is still bettert
20:31 < uplime> better*
20:46 < s77> hi
20:47 < s77> How can I run a shell command and force a -y with it
20:47 < s77> such that I do not need to type y to proceed
20:50 < bls> s77: depends on the command
20:51 < bls> s77: for some commands, you can run `yes | command`, others might have flags, other poorly written ones are only going to work with manual intervention
20:52 < bls> or you could wrap them in something like expect
20:55 < s77> bls ok.  The command is mkfs.ext2 /dev/blabla
20:55 < s77> I will test it..
20:57 < spare> mkfs.ext2 -F should force it without prompt
20:57 < hexnewbie> Why not mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.ext4?
20:59 < ayecee> because of the way it is
21:01 < rud0lf> sorry half-noob bash here, how can i rename all .abc to .xyz?
21:01 < rud0lf> mv *.abc *.xyz ?
21:01 < bls> rud0lf: no, doesn't work that way
21:01 < rud0lf> hmm
21:01 < rud0lf> ok i google for script
21:01 < kerframil> rud0lf: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/030
21:01 < bls> for f in *.abc;do mv "${f}" "${f%abc}xyz"; done
21:01 < hexnewbie> file-rename 's/\.abc$/.xyz/' *.abc
21:02 < rud0lf> cool
21:02 < rud0lf> thanks
21:02 < kerframil> s77: the more hygienic approach would be to use wipefs -a to scrub any recognisable signatures from the device before making the filesystem
21:04 < hexnewbie> A script with forced mkfs or wipefs makes me uneasy
21:04 < dgurney> good, because it should make you uneasy
21:08 < ayecee> lol yolo
21:10 < s77> kerframil:
21:10 < s77> would -F be safe?
21:11 < s77> spare
21:12 < kerframil> s77: it depends on your definition of safe in lieu of your intent
21:12 < spare> nah block devices can change on boot and variables can change -F would just remove the prompt and nuke whatever was there need your own safe guards really
21:13 < dgurney> it's wise to assume all disk/fs operations like that are unsafe
21:13 < kerframil> s77: -F can still prompt, under certain circumstnaces. use -FF if you really want to ensure that it doesn't. my interjection was just because I just always recommend wiping prior signatures before creating a fresh filesystem on a given block device.
21:14 < kerframil> unless the disk is brand new
21:15 < dgurney> true
21:17 < spare> was only thinking from a script percpective really normall just dev random everything then cryptsetup
21:18 < hexnewbie> s77: You have to describe what you're doing specifically (probably in detail) for us to know if it is safe. You wanting to force it implies you want to do it repeatedly and without supervision (which is at times a bad idea), but we don't know why you want this.
21:22 < nekoseam> good morning ##linux
21:23 < nekoseam> I got a full 5 hours of sleep :D
21:25 < hexnewbie> Purely out of curiosity: Is there something like the opposite of RAID, that uses XOR for one-time pad instead of parity for? Like, two-disks, when data is read, it outputs the XOR of the two disks, when writing it writes random data to one, and the XORed data to the other? Like, a working solution, with e.g. dmsetup?
21:25 < ayecee> ls
21:25 < ayecee> doh
21:26 < s77> hexnewbie:  just formating it to use it later on
21:27 < hexnewbie> With too dangerous talk about wipefs and other things that can nuke your data, might as well get something that prevent other people from reading your data.
21:27 < hexnewbie> s77: Then don't force it, just answer the prompt
21:27 < s77> Yeah..
21:28 < s77> Was hoping to avoid it
21:28 < hexnewbie> Telling ‘yes’ to your computer is easier than asking IRC how to force it, then having to explain your purpose 😛
21:29 < s77> :P
21:32 < kanliot> hello.  apparently every file on my home partition was changed 2 days ago.  What the hell could cause this?  The change times are different by .3 second or so but it varies all over
21:32 < kanliot> what should i think?
21:32 < hexnewbie> kanliot: Accidental recursive chown/chmod?
21:33 < evanesoteric> Could anyone provide a great resource in understanding how to patch Spectre and Meltdown? I'd like to fiddle with an old Intel i5-2410M Dell XPS machine I have laying around.
21:33 < hexnewbie> kanliot: If on a remote system, or managed by somebody else - someone may have restored your home from a backup, too.
21:33 < bls> evanesoteric: patch what?
21:33 < evanesoteric> I think I need to update microcode of some sort, confusing me.
21:34 < ||JD||> install the microcode through your package manager
21:34 < hexnewbie> evanesoteric: That usually means installing the microcode packages (doesn't work for me, though)
21:34 < dgurney> that, and make sure your kernel is fully up to date
21:34 < kerframil> evanesoteric: for meltdown, you need only a kernel that supports KPTI and has it enabled
21:36 < evanesoteric> I'm going to put gentoo on it, but testing the latest ubuntu for now. There are pre-packaged binaries? Are they kernel/cpu specific? I'm looking into this, thanks so far!
21:37 < kanliot> hexnewbie thanks!
21:38 < kerframil> evanesoteric: as concerns microcode updates, you have two plausible options. one is to install a firmware update from your vendor (Dell). the other is to use intel-ucode to prepare a firmware payload and bundle it into an early userspace i.e. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Intel_microcode
21:39 < kerframil> evanesoteric: also, grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/*
21:40 < kerframil> evanesoteric: you can check for evidence of IBPB/IBRS support with the above command, which is an indicator of having up-to-date microcode. assuming you're not running a stale kernel, of course.
21:46 < evanesoteric> kerframil: When I grep I get the following output: https://pastebin.com/HUqR1Jjh
21:48 < dgurney> evanesoteric, so basically you're good for the most part. however, the new spec_store_bypass issue (which your kernel appears to be slightly too behind to report on) will require a microcode update
21:48 < evanesoteric> This is what the checker shell scrip shows: vuln to all varients:  https://pastebin.com/yf9kPmKr
21:50 < dgurney> evanesoteric: yes, you're vulnerable, but if you read closely, you can see that you have all possible mitigation you can get without a microcode update
21:53 < bls> you also need to consider what vectors people have to exploiting your system. are you frequently allowing random users onto your machine or executing untrusted code?
21:53 < kerframil> evanesoteric: incidentally, which kernel is that? one from an installed gentoo system?
22:00 < hans__> is there some easy-ish way to only allow an account to use sftp, not to login/execute commands?
22:00 < hans__> (running an OpenSSH server)
22:01 < hans__> i want to create an account that can *only* use sftp
22:01 < kerframil> hans__: scponly
22:02 < hans__> does scponly support sftp?
22:02 < hans__> it's worth a shot
22:02 < hans__> its just to set scponly as the login shell, right?
22:02 < kerframil> yes
22:03 < kerframil> it has an --enable-sftp build option, at any rate
22:03 < hans__> gotdammit, debian doesn't ship it
22:03 < nekoseam> About to try pekwm :D
22:04 < qman__> force-command internal-sftp
22:04 < hans__> qman__, ?
22:05 < qman__> hans__: https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/File_Transfer_with_SFTP
22:05 < evanesoteric> So when looking for a microcode update, using Ubuntu 18.04, does it need to be a binary specific to the Sandy Bridge chipset? Is it a generic package covering many chipsets?
22:06 < hans__> neat, seems openssh has some built-in support
22:12 < evanesoteric> Sorry, think I've got it. Thank you so much for the information all.
22:16 < Happyhobo> Hi folks.  I found out you can only switch tiny coaxial before they go kaput.  I also found the same applies for wireless card.  I now have no wireless card at all and I"m tethering through my cell which is on wireless not data.
22:18 < twainwek> pretty advanced for a hobo
22:20 < ayecee> that's why he's so happy
22:20 < jim> don't mess with people
22:20 < jim> err one  ore tme
22:21 < jim> don't mess with people's names/nicks
22:21 < ayecee> o_O
22:22 < lnnb> don't mess with texas either
22:22 < jim> I learned that the hard way... it can be hurtful
22:22 < ayecee> anything can be hurtful if done in the right way
22:22 < Dagmar> Probably better to not mess with soldered-on SMA connectors
22:23 < Dagmar> ayecee: That's the spirit!
22:23 < ayecee> or wrong way as the case may be
22:23 < jim> that's very true
22:23 < hans__> this works: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1027496   this does not work: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1027497 - the only difference is the chroot is commented out. when it doesn't work, i just get the error: pubtest@ratma.net's password:   \n Connection reset by 62.210.139.73 port 22     - any idea why chrooting makes sftp stop working?
22:23 < jim> so in general don't be hurful :)
22:24 < jim> this is something specific I learned the hard way
22:24 < ayecee> like the beanbag - harmless children's toy, or high-speed non-lethal weapon?
22:24 < ayecee> less-lethal weapon, sometimes
22:25 < jim> there was a show "Wise Guy" that had a character that threw marbles at people...
22:26 < jim> very fast, could be deadly
22:26 < hans__> (and i'm absolutely positive that the folder in question exists, and that the  user in question has read/write access to it. proof-ish: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/jQYoHRBUUB47wj3zmn9njw/raw?password=yq_kENblmxJTCkDOck1t )
22:26 < uplime> hrm, should I make -V = verbose and -v = version, or vice versa?
22:28 < Dagmar> hans__: Becuase you didn't read the man page for sshd_config
22:28 < Dagmar> hans__: "This path, and all its components, must be root-owned directories that are not writable by any other user or group."
22:28 < jim> uplime, make -v verbose, make -V or ==version version
22:28 < uplime> thanks
22:28 < hans__> damn
22:28 < Dagmar> "root" != "pubtest"
22:28 < hans__> weird
22:28 < jim> mistyoed that
22:28 < uplime> i got what you meant though <3
22:29 < jim> --version
22:29 < Dagmar> hans__: THe man page explains in detail that you need quite a bit more in the chroot than just "nothing"
22:29 < jim> uplime, the reason I suggest that, is lots of programs have it the same way
22:29 < Dagmar> hans__: Just read the man page section on ChrootDirectory, put the things it requires in place, and it will work
22:30 < Dagmar> hans__: Note that the home directory that will be used will be the home directory within the chroot, not the one from /
22:31 < kekePower> so /home/chroot/home/user
22:31 < kekePower> ?
22:34 < Dagmar> Yeah like that
22:36 < Dagmar> They don't mention it, but _usually_ this sort of thing also requires a /home/chroot/etc/passwd that specifies the UID and homedir for the user (obvs. no password or shadow file are needed)
22:36 < Dagmar> If it works without, great.  If it fails again, that's the piece that's missing
22:38 < hans__> screw this, ill go with scponly
22:39 < stefmorino> Would anyone here know how to fake a lower screen resolution? I want to force an application (specifically terraria) to be restricted to 1080p on my 2160p display (performance reasons); trouble is, once I regain focus of the game window, it resets my resolution to 2160p. If I could set the maximum resolution to 1080p for the application this could work around this.
22:39 < Dagmar> You should probably figure out what you're trying tp protect against, rather than just "increasing security" like adding more katsup
22:39 < ayecee> security sauce
22:40 < Dagmar> Now in fun colors like green, purple, and wtf-yellow
22:40 < kekePower> hey! Yellow is cool
22:40 < Dagmar> Yellow katsup?
22:40 < kekePower> stefmorino: My first thought was to use Xnest, but I don't know if it's the right approach
22:41 < Dagmar> kekePower: Rather a lot of X binaries will accept the --geometry parameter
22:41 < kekePower> Dagmar: Yes, it existed in Norway for a while
22:41 < hans__> Dagmar, a person i don't fully trust need somewhere to upload an 8GB file, i need some safe way for him to upload 8GB, and i thought a locked down sftp account would suffice
22:41 < stefmorino> kekePower: I'll look into it; I tried run_scaled, but the preformance was awful and terraria was failing to load textures into memory
22:41 < Dagmar> hans__: It will.  If all they need to do is upload a file, then the correct solution would indeed be to put in a chroot'ed sftp account
22:42 < Dagmar> Principle of Least Privilege
22:43 < ayecee> check your privilege
22:43 < Dagmar> Give them the access they need and not a bit more.  If you make it an scponly account there's rather a lot of files they could read/transfer, some of which might give them insight into what other things they could leverage to elevate their access
22:45 < triceratux> spellcheck your priviledge
22:45 < kekePower> this really needs to be a lot easier to achieve
22:46 < sbef> hello guys! i just reinstalled i3-wm but i forgot what was that cool thing i installed to active the trasparency and the visual effects, may you help me remembering?
22:46 < ayecee> triceratux: you're joking, right
22:47 < dgurney> sbef, compton?
22:47 < sbef> dgurney: yeah! exactly
22:47 < sbef> thank you a lot
22:47 < dgurney> no problem
22:49 < jim> kekePower, once you achieve it, can you (help to) making it easier to achieve next time/for others?
22:50 < sbef> xit
22:50 < jim> got the verb tense wrong... s/making/make/
22:51 < triceratux> ayecee: oh yeah i dont mean you. i was coining an aphorism
22:51 < redredhathat> is there a good resource on learning about makefiles?
22:52 < ayecee> i've always wanted to coin an aphorism
22:53 < kekePower> jim: I don't know if I can do it, but I can feel the frustration of it being so complicated
22:53 < kekePower> I don't think this can be solved with a shell script
22:54 < lnnb> redredhathat: what kind of makefile
22:56 < kekePower> redredhathat: http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/autohell/
22:56 < kekePower> redredhathat: I'm sorry for being OT
22:56 < redredhathat> OT?
22:56 < kekePower> Off Topic
22:56 < redredhathat> no its good
22:57 < kekePower> redredhathat: But learning about cmake may be a good choice
22:57 < ayecee> operating thetan
22:58 < lnnb> redredhathat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Make_%28software%29
22:58 < redredhathat> thanks, im a little overwhelmed
22:58 < redredhathat> im starting as an intern and they're throwing things at me
22:59 < jim> kekePower, what's the "it"? that is, what is it you're trying to accomplish?
22:59 < kekePower> redredhathat: Take a step back, take a deep breath and baby steps
22:59 < lnnb> haha gl, don't stress out if you don't know stuff just keep reading about it, try building small tests
22:59 < redredhathat> like i have to edit a travis.yaml
22:59 < redredhathat> i can do that
23:00 < kekePower> jim: I was referring to how complicated it is to set up a safe environment without a login shell. Ref the conversation with  Dagmar and hans_
23:00 < redredhathat> then i need to "runs make with a diff target" (im trying to generate an html report of website differences)
23:01 < rgb-one> Hey
23:01 < twainwek> redredhathat: back in uni, i had a professor who told me the most important thing about writing makefiles: never write your own makefiles
23:01 < redredhathat> i also dont think my boss likes interns :/
23:02 < rgb-one> When adding you public key, the last part of it is the username@hostname
23:02 < rgb-one> how do I use a different username with that ssh key?
23:02 < rgb-one> not the one on the machine
23:02 < koala_man> rgb-one: that's just a comment for humans. it doesn't affect anything
23:03 < kekePower> rgb-one: in ~/.ssh/config, add Host shortname\nHostname host.name.com\nUser username
23:03 < kekePower> Host shortname
23:04 < jim> redredhathat, anyone besides you including your boss's opinion of you is none of your business... it's best to put that out of your mind, while you prove your mettle
23:04 < kekePower> Hostname ipaddress or host.name.com
23:04 < kekePower> User remoteUsername
23:04 < redredhathat> but i mean he thinks interns are useless who dont produce meaningful work
23:04  * kekePower nods to jims wise words
23:04 < redredhathat> or slow down production
23:04 < rgb-one> cool, thanks kekePower
23:05 < jim> redredhathat, prove him wrong
23:05 < redredhathat> see: me slowing down production
23:05 < kekePower> redredhathat: If you don't get proper education in your new job, nobody should expect you to be 100% productive the first 3-6 months
23:06 < jim> redredhathat, very important: document your work
23:06 < kekePower> well, you'll never be 100% productive
23:06 < evanesoteric> Spectre/Meltdown  - I downloaded the latest microcode firmware for the chipset. Do I need to decompress archive, package as .dat binary, then use iucode_tool?
23:06 < redredhathat> this internship only lasts 12 weeks, and how do you recommend i do that jim?
23:06 < redredhathat> if im just floundering around in vim
23:06 < kekePower> rgb-one: Then when that's done, you can "ssh shortname"
23:06 < Happyhobo> Before I buy another card to destroy, oops try, is it possible to splice the microcoaxial cables?
23:07 < rgb-one> yea
23:07 < twainwek> redredhathat: use emacs for 102% productivity
23:07 < Happyhobo> it is rgb-one?
23:07 < redredhathat> i normally use visual studio code
23:07 < twainwek> ew
23:07 < redredhathat> but im used to vim when i want a terminal
23:07 < Happyhobo> How?
23:08 < jim> redredhathat, focus on the problem under you, pay some atention to the other problems, solve that one problem, start on another
23:08 < Happyhobo> Broadcom card all the way!  My netbook has one and it has the best speeds, never stalls and never drops.
23:08 < bls> evanesoteric: don't you think this is something you should find a full set of official instructions for instead of getting random snippets of answers from random people on the internet?
23:08 < jim> (by pay attention, I mean don't lose sight of the other problems)
23:09 < redredhathat> well i was given one task, i did it but wanted to keep working at it when i found a util that completely does my thing
23:09 < jim> Happyhobo, you solved your net issue?
23:09 < Happyhobo> How do I splice microcoaxial?  Do I need a soldering iron?
23:09 < redredhathat> thank you jim
23:09 < Happyhobo> Heh I have no net jim.  Does that solve it?
23:09 < Happyhobo> LOL
23:10 < kekePower> Happyhobo: In this time of age, it's all about use and throw away. Go buy a new one
23:10 < Happyhobo> I'm using my cellphone tethered and hooked to wireless.  I can be ingenious if I have to be.
23:10 < kekePower> time and agae
23:10 < kekePower> age
23:10 < lnnb> redredhathat: heres a really super duper basic Makefile for you to mess with  http://codepad.org/1WG8l7r7
23:10 < Happyhobo> kekePower:  THROW AWAY WHAT?
23:10 < kekePower> Happyhobo: The thing that's broken
23:11 < jim> redredhathat, welcome
23:11 < Happyhobo> The thing that is broken is the connection to the wireless card antennas.  I can't figure out how to splice microcoaxial.
23:11 < kekePower> Happyhobo: what did google or youtube tell you?
23:12 < Happyhobo> The center wire is a single strand.
23:12 < Happyhobo> Did you just tell me to google and youtube?
23:12 < redredhathat> thanks lnnb ill try to understand it
23:12 < kekePower> Happyhobo: Yes
23:12 < jim> Happyhobo, what part is broken?
23:13 < kekePower> Happyhobo: A good video will tell you everything you need
23:13 < lnnb> @echo can be any shell command instead of just echo
23:13 < kekePower> with hundreds of hours of video uploaded every minute, I guess there are a few that has had the same issue as you Happyhobo
23:14 < Happyhobo> the ends are too stretched out from being taken on and off so much.  I have access to 4 ends that have only been put on once and removed only once.  I can't figure out how to splice the leads with the good ends with the wires attached to the motherboard.
23:14 < lnnb> i don't know how to check return values and cool stuff though :(
23:15  * kekePower is off. Good night
23:16 < redredhathat> lnnb im getting an error about missing separator on line 1
23:16 < redredhathat> wat
23:16 < Happyhobo> I hate to think of tossing this laptop which otherwise has been great for something like this jim
23:16  * lnnb shrugs
23:17 < Happyhobo> I tried the usb bullcrap and it was impossible for more.
23:18 < graff> are you trying to fix one of these 200 dollar laptops?
23:18 < jim> Happyhobo, what if you order more antennas?
23:18 < Happyhobo> They're attached somewhere I don't see
23:18  * graff did that, ultimately the thing turned into some kind of embarassing frankenbeast
23:18 < graff> and i had to throw it in the dumpster
23:18 < Happyhobo> I was going to try to splice my good ends onto the ends
23:18 < graff> and yes, i vilated all recycling laws, i was that pissed
23:19 < jim> the only thing I can think of that might be attached to something electrically, is to "ground"
23:19 < graff> i am sure some corrupt garbage company sold it oversas anyway
23:19 < jim> I'd hate to buy corrupt garbage
23:20 < uplime> i need clean, untained garbage
23:20 < jim> yeah, that!
23:20 < graff> jim: well you are a republican right, so should come pretty natural
23:20 < jim> eeeewww what?
23:21 < jim> how did you know?
23:21 < Happyhobo> I guess I buy this new card and hope my friend has such dexterity with splicing and taping it's a miracle
23:22 < jim> Happyhobo you could potentially even get an external antenna (but I dunno how that would work out)
23:24 < Happyhobo> send the wires out the side and duct tape the antenna to the lid, the question is where do I find one with the microcoaxial a mini-pci-e card uses
23:24 < jim> I guess you could get a connector for the card that comes out into an external BNC connector, then get one of those antennas that have a BNC plug
23:25 < Happyhobo> Ever seen a mini video card?\
23:25 < jim> you'd have to somehow mount the BNC end of the cable that goes to the card, on the case
23:25 < jim> nope
23:26 < jim> well maybe
23:26 < Happyhobo> Any smaller I would need a magnifying gllass.  The connectors are like 3 mm in diameter, my earring is huge in comparison.
23:26 < jim> heh, ouch
23:27 < jim> maybe good idea to not mess with those connectors :)
23:28 < nekoseam> Where's a good site to see a tl;dr FreeBSD kernel vs Linux kernel comparison?
23:28 < nekoseam> (any *BSD really)
23:28 < uplime> nekoseam: why?
23:29 < nekoseam> Just to see
23:29 < jim> you want one that's too long so you don't read?!
23:29 < uplime> i mean, anything useful won't be small enough to fit in a tl;dr
23:29 < nekoseam> Not one sentence
23:29 < lnnb> redredhathat: oh i didn't know about the ?= assignment,  try this one http://codepad.org/TQjyD6Jg
23:29 < nekoseam> Just brief
23:29 < uplime> that doesn't change a word of what I said
23:30 < uplime> additionally, comparing kernels seems silly
23:30 < uplime> comparing the os functionalities seems a lot more useful
23:30 < nekoseam> ...
23:30 < jim> I imagine that comparisons like that are gonna be long... but let's see...
23:30 < uplime> jim: right. thats my original point
23:30 < redredhathat> that worked lnnb
23:30 < nekoseam> Comparing kernels of an operating system isn't really silly. I can read a long article if there's no brief summaries anywhere
23:31 < redredhathat> so now i just need to tell my boss im too dumb to understand the rest
23:31 < uplime> its pretty silly. kernels are pretty specialized
23:31 < Happyhobo> Ever dd'ed an iso into midair and took time to do it, I thought it erased my harddrive.
23:31 < nekoseam> uplime: 2 very popular open source operating systems both have kernels with inspiration/roots from UNIX is not silly.
23:32 < graff> ... things have to be compared
23:32 < uplime> linux doesn't have roots in unix
23:32 < graff> not sure wtf is going on in here
23:32 < uplime> it is inspired from unix, yes
23:32 < graff> uplime: yes it does
23:32 < uplime> no it doesn't
23:32 < nekoseam> That's why I said inspired
23:32 < nekoseam> :)
23:32 < graff> it was written supposedly from a minix book
23:32 < uplime> it doesn't come from the unix source tree
23:32 < ayecee> guys, guys
23:32 < graff> but it is unix inspired
23:32 < ayecee> you're both wrong
23:32 < graff> you are sadly mistakedn uplime
23:32 < uplime> im not
23:32 < graff> and need to stop trying to be someone you are not and troll
23:32 < nekoseam> jesus christ nevermind
23:32 < graff> yes you are
23:32 < uplime> I'm not :)
23:32 < ayecee> graff: please stop
23:32 < graff> you are turning this channel into uneducated drivel space
23:32 < graff> all three of you
23:33 < nekoseam> holy shit alright nevermind. i'll find one myself
23:33 < graff> linux is a POSIX based operating system
23:33 < graff> as are all of the BSDs
23:33 < uplime> linux is not POSIX
23:33 < uplime> nor a BSD
23:33 < jim> nekoseam, howbout this https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/127538/conceptual-difference-between-linux-and-freebsd-kernel
23:33 < Elladan> Except for sharing no code for the most part and having different design philosophies, the Linux and FreeBSD kernels are very similar.
23:33 < graff> whatever i386 minix textbook you think that linux is "based off of" is long gone and no longer relevant
23:33 < uplime> fsvo similar
23:33 < graff> they are all unix-like operating systems following POSIX specifications
23:34 < annihilator> where can i find a cracked virus free linux
23:34 < ayecee> graff: it's not based off of a text book.
23:34 < uplime> graff: literally no one claimed that
23:34 < uplime> you're the only one to mention minix
23:34 < graff> and all this guy wanted was a chart to tell him about how various kernesl conform to POSIX specs and their performance while doing so?
23:34 < Elladan> The problem with any sort of comparison between them is that it needs to be written to a certain audience.
23:34  * uplime sighs
23:34 < lnnb> redredhathat: nah don't admit to that, just keep reading other makefiles and think about what you want to accomplish, what steps are needed, ask questions in the right channels where people who actually know the language can help and explain better
23:34 < jim> graff, I think I have a copy of it... it's Tanenbaum's text
23:35 < nekoseam> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_operating_system_kernels
23:35 < graff> and instead what i see is a freenode staff (uplime) and long terms linux channel op republican cowboy wannabe (jim) and a long term linux channel troll (ayecee) trying to subjugate someone for asking a perfectly decent question
23:35 < ayecee> !ops graff abuse
23:35 < graff> and the fabircating a bunch of out of dat eirrelvant factoids
23:35 < redredhathat> well i wont be like, "im too stupid to figure this out, hold my hand" i want to tell him i dont understand but if he can point to the place to learn, i want to figure this out
23:35 < Elladan> You can't really compare them in a general sense, you have to choose whether you want a technical document targeting a systems engineer, a user doc targeting a sysadmin, a very general doc targeting someone who doesn't know how OS kernels work, or etc.
23:35 < graff> you can certainly compare implmentation of POSUX to another!
23:35 < jim> ayecee "P
23:36 < ayecee> jim: so do something
23:36 < Elladan> So I think the only reasonable way to find a good comparison is to google around and look for a comparison that answers the sorts of questions you're interested in.
23:36 < Happyhobo> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA72578R5314&cm_re=mini_pci_wireless_card_antenna_cables-_-9SIA72578R5314-_-Product    laptop with dildoes or is it dildos
23:36 < graff> you sure as hell can, and scietists do it all the time. you have to
23:36 < graff> in fact POSIX itself researched how the variosu OS are implementing things in order to issue their next releases
23:36 < redredhathat> lnnb i guess i need to get over my social anxiety and fear of asking for help
23:37 < triceratux> nekoseam: http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-freebsd-and-linux https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/a-comparative-introduction-to-freebsd-for-linux-users
23:37 < jim> graff, if you have an actual complaint against the ops in this channel, could you discuss it on ##linux-ops instead of here please
23:37 < nekoseam> triceratux: Thanks, already reading an article about it though.
23:37 < nekoseam> I'll get to that soon
23:37 < graff> and guess what -- evreryone follows it. doesn't matter if you dennis ritchie wrote yoru kernel and donated it to berkely or linus torvalds wrote your kernel starting as a terminal emulator with a minix text book in his hand
23:38 < graff> what I *thnk* you guys would like to say. is: that linux uses the /proc filesystem
23:38 < ayecee> soapbox mode engaged and locked
23:38 < ayecee> we've lost him
23:38 < graff> which is not unique to linux, minix or torvalds
23:38 < graff> in fact netbsd uses the /proc filesystem by default
23:39 < jim> graff, nope it's not
23:39 < redredhathat> well time to head home
23:39 < Happyhobo> What am I going to do with two great big antennas?
23:39 < DLange> byebyehathat
23:39 < ayecee> halloween costume
23:40 < jim> Happyhobo, they don't have to be huge like some ham antenna towering over your house or apt
23:40 < sbrothy> I seem to remember someone telling me that "whereis", "locate" etc was a bad idea to use in a cross-distro configure file. Is there seomthing to it or was it just... I dunno.. Belt&Braces?
23:40 < ayecee> though that would definitely be a plus
23:40 < phinxy> Why are there so many ham and electronics packages on Linux
23:41 < jim> at the freqs we're talking about, the antennas are short
23:41 < graff> sbrothy: whereis might not be present
23:41 < bls> sbrothy: a lot of distros disable locate by default
23:41 < graff> so if you want that, yeah you should implement a very basic one using command -v in a POSIX shell
23:41 < DLange> sbrothy: they are not the same and often not installed by default
23:41 < jim> phinxy, cause it turned out that there are lots of hams that are also coders
23:41 < graff> or at least test for its existence first
23:41 < jim> ?
23:41 < DLange> find is your friend
23:42 < Happyhobo> Well that would solve my signal issues jim.  LOL
23:42 < jim> Happyhobo, it might not... too long is just as bad as too short
23:43 < lnnb> redredhathat: i'll explain it quickly, by default `make` command executes the "all" target, if you did `make target_1` it would only run target_1.  the targets can span multiple lines.  so by running default all, the three individual targets are run in order. that ${} thing in "ext" target is just a variable example and using ?= sets it if it's missing from the shell environ. you can set it by `export
23:43 < lnnb> EXT_VAR_STRING="something"  or without setting it in shell environ: `make EXT_VAR_STRING="blah" ext`
23:43 < DLange> lnnb: he's gone...
23:43 < lnnb> wtf
23:43 < candidat> i have a question how do you manage farting in the office ?
23:43 < ayecee> all that typing for nothing
23:43 < ayecee> candidat: as loud as possible to assert dominance
23:44 < lnnb> i had to like switch between open files and stuff too!
23:44 < candidat> ayecee good answer ! lol hahaha
23:45 < Happyhobo> bingo, order these when I order my card see if Mike can splice the other mini coaxial cables and if he can't these are on hand.   I feel like I could roll around in horse manure and come up smelling like freesia.
23:45  * Happyhobo hugs random people in the room.
23:46 < ayecee> can't tell if good or bad
23:46 < candidat> what is a hobo ?
23:47 < ayecee> a resident of hoboken, jh
23:47 < ayecee> nh
23:47 < ayecee> nj
23:47 < DLange> ny
23:47 < candidat> really ?
23:47 < ayecee> nay
23:47 < candidat> a
23:47 < candidat> n
23:47 < candidat> u
23:47 < candidat> s
23:47 < DLange> b
23:47 < DLange> a
23:47 < DLange> n
23:48 < candidat> hobo... is a party goer ?
23:48 < ayecee> there's a hoboken in both nj and ny
23:48 < ayecee> til
23:50 < candidat> what is a nj and an ny ?
23:50 < Happyhobo> My brothers, sister, et al are hobo kin.
23:50 < ayecee> i see what you did there
23:51 < jim> candidat, please don't do that, it's fairly annoying, the others were trying and grasping to fix a typo
23:51 < candidat> jim sorry about that :-(
23:52 < candidat> i ll never do it again i promise to behave
23:52 < jim> candidat, ny is abbreviation for the US state new york... similarly, nj for new jersey
23:52 < Happyhobo> Now where do those long bastards go inside this case
23:53 < jim> candidat, thanks
23:53 < annihilator> any distros people recommend?
23:53 < annihilator> im creating a bootable usb flash drive with multiple isos
23:53 < Psi-Jack> Any major distro.
23:53 < qman__> candidat: A hobo is a bum, a drifter, a vagrant, a homeless person
23:54 < triceratux> mx-17, siduction, extix, swagarch
23:54 < jim> annihilator, what do you use dists for?
23:54 < bls> are you sure? I heard it was something different
23:54 < Psi-Jack> annihilator: Too late. I already got one.
23:54 < Happyhobo> I'm 3 or 4 qman__
23:54 < annihilator> huh?
23:54 < annihilator> im creating one for me
23:54 < Happyhobo> ANTERGOS FTW!
23:54 < annihilator> im just wanting something to play with LOL
23:54 < Happyhobo> Peppermint can go to Hell.
23:54 < candidat> qman__ thanks for your answer i understand now !
23:54 < bls> then what difference does it make what you pick?
23:55 < Psi-Jack> Happyhobo: Sure If you want 0% support from Arch's much larger community just for an installer.
23:55 < Happyhobo> It doesn't need a lot of support, my issues are hardware with a tiny bit of software.
23:55 < annihilator> i wasnt trying to pick one
23:55 < annihilator> i was trying to find more to add LMAO to play with
23:56 < annihilator> that were still good and realiable
23:56 < bls> then go to distrowatch.com and start clicking on stuff
23:56 < Happyhobo> Psi-Jack:  it used to start and run the old card when no other distribution would out of the box or even worked on.
23:56 < jim> annihilator, do you want something fairly high level that does a lot of stuff for you? debian or fedora... or, do you want something low level, that takes gaining knowhow to build?
23:56 < annihilator> lol i totally forgot about that sight
23:56 < annihilator> ive used gentoo
23:56 < annihilator> and ubuntu lol
23:57 < jim> those qualify as low and high level respectively
23:57 < annihilator> i like both equally and able to utilize both
23:58 < jim> ok, so pretty much all the dists are in that range, exceppt maybe LFS, which is probably the lowest level one
23:58 < annihilator> my thing is i want something that can let me play windows games using either wine or crossover (thinking of getting)
23:59 < annihilator> and im going to be doing a lot of updating and modifing open source games and software.
23:59 < jim> well you can build wine, so again any
23:59 < annihilator> so that is just about every os from a-z LOL
23:59 < Smithe> How can I know when I open a console what user I am? Problems: the script is called from pam-motd, so it's root
23:59 < annihilator> im prolly just go down the list of ones i used and liked till i find one i want LMAO
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