--- Log opened Sun Jun 03 00:00:42 2018
00:03 < bjpenn> ok i think i found the command
00:03 < bjpenn> ps -e -f -L
00:03 < bjpenn> pstree -p shows similar thing
00:03 < bjpenn> :P
00:06 < dka> I was doing a backup of my home `mv  /home/dka/ .` but I removed a file while doing it `mv: cannot stat '/home/dka/toto': No such file or directory` and my hard drive is `99%` full now I deleted some space.
00:11 < jim> dka, not sure how youre backing up, but "mv" moves things, so that it's in the new place but not the old
00:16 < jim> to give you the idea, try this experiment...
00:17 < jim> mkdir a b
00:17 < jim> touch a/aFile
00:17 < jim> then look at what you have:
00:17 < jim> ls a
00:17 < jim> ls b
00:18 < jim> then, do a mv:
00:18 < jim> mv a/aFile b/
00:18 < jim> then look again:
00:18 < jim> la a
00:18 < jim> oops
00:18 < jim> ls a
00:18 < jim> ls b
00:19 < jim> another thing mv does, is rename: try this: mv b/aFile b/thisFile
00:19 < jim> and you will see the name of the file has changed
00:21  * Pentode checks dka's pulse 
00:22 < dka> jim
00:22 < dka> its'a  backup
00:22 < dka> because I am gonna format
00:22 < dka> cause I lost my kernel
00:22 < dka> but moving is ok
00:22 < jim> ok
00:22 < dka> I mean, /home/dka wont be there anymore
00:23 < dka> but Ineed to keep the content moved to . equal to the original
00:23 < dka> I need to have all files
00:23 < jim> is this a partition/vol/drive you mount on /home?
00:23 < dka> no
00:23 < dka> => /home/dka is the ssd
00:23 < dka> => /mnt/backup/dkahome is .
00:24 < jim> so you have the ssd all to yourself? :)
00:24 < dka> yes
00:24 < dka>  "rsync -avP  /home/dka . "
00:24 < dka> Why?
00:24 < dka> you recommend to create a partition from my ssd ?
00:24 < jim> curious :)
00:24 < dka> on next format
00:24 < dka> I do how I am used to
00:24 < jim> not necessarily
00:25 < jim> if you want the whole drive go for it
00:25 < jim> you can have a partition covering the whole drive, or not
00:25 < dka> I guess I should keep home separate next time
00:26 < jim> I think if you do partition, you'd get slightly less space
00:26 < dka> I have a cloud paltform , would be nice to keep the home online and use ldap for using my user
00:26 < dka> It's ok, I am trying to find the efficiant way of not loosing time more than loosing space
00:26 < dka> is "rsync -avP  /home/dka . " what i wnt?
00:26 < jim> well if you want to, and what you're doing now makes sense if you don't have other users
00:27 < jim> which I would imagine is about 99% of all linux installations
00:27 < dka> Yeah, but my host does not have user because I choosed to
00:27 < dka> We have many users
00:28 < dka> As I said, but they are not using mine
00:28 < dka> as I say, I expect to put the /home locally on a server for everyone and use the ldap for their account
00:28 < jim> on that particular machine?
00:28 < jim> then maybe it would make sense to have a separate /home
00:29 < jim> and if you do that, you can -still- mount the ssd on /home/dka
00:29 < dka> jim on every machine
00:29 < dka> there is no reason that we keep the machine personal
00:29 < dka> if the ldap is correctly configured
00:30 < dka> I keep it personal because I am admin
00:30 < dka> got keys and stuf
00:30 < jim> I never dealt with ldap before
00:30 < jim> yeah
00:30 < dka> it's same as ACtive directory
00:30 < dka> just a database for user\
00:30 < jim> that part I understand
00:30 < jim> I just never set one up
00:32 < annihilator> if i do lfs how would i install .deb packages?
00:33 < zetsu> i want to talk to the inventor of linux
00:33 < zetsu> i think his name is linux?
00:33 < bls> annihilator: build and install dpkg and apt
00:33 < Pentode> Linus Torvalds, zetsu
00:33 < zetsu> Pentode: is here here
00:33 < zetsu> Pentode: is he here
00:33 < Pentode> no i dont believe so ;)
00:33 < alexandre9099> hi, is it possible to check if a pc with easy rsa is a CA? i set up openvpn a long time ago and i used other pc as the CA, but i am not sure which one of my pc's i used, how can i confirm?
00:34 < zetsu> is this a real channel
00:34 < Pentode> i hear he's not a fan of IRC
00:34 < zetsu> where is the official chat room
00:34 < Pentode> is there one? maybe #linux is closer.
00:35 < Pentode> it's invite only, however.
00:35 < zetsu> i heard only people with malicious intentions use linux
00:35 < zetsu> hackers
00:35 < zetsu> like mr robot
00:35 < zetsu> can you tell me why someone would use linux if they are not hacking into banks etc
00:35 < Pentode> nonsense
00:36 < Pentode> why do you use it?
00:36 < alexandre9099> zetsu, because it is free as in free spech?
00:36 < kekePower> http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/meaning-of-hack.html
00:36 < zetsu> i get all the free stuff
00:36 < Pentode> i like freedom. i like writing software. it was a natural choice for me.
00:36 < zetsu> but underneath it is a very malicious platform with tools designed to break into banks
00:36 < zetsu> like kalilinux
00:36 < zetsu> blackarch linux
00:36 < zetsu> vulnerbale linux
00:36 < zetsu> its clear to me that it is designed for malicious actors
00:37 < kekePower> zetsu: awesome
00:37 < Pentode> zetsu, are you trolling or are you just really naive?
00:37 < kekePower> zetsu: You've got it covered
00:37 < zetsu> they even advertise it in mr robot
00:37 < zetsu> i never see linux used elsewhere
00:37  * Pentode doesn't even know what mr robot is
00:37 < zetsu> even matrix uses linux
00:37 < Pentode> maybe im too old, lol
00:37 < kekePower> zetsu: If Mr Robot says so, it must be true
00:37 < zetsu> Pentode: its a tv show about hackerrs and all they do is type in linux
00:37 < Pentode> lol
00:37 < spare> so did jurassic park and that turned out really well
00:37 < jim> annihilator, a debian packaging system on a linux from scratch is going to require you set it up, and, the way the dependencies are in debian, it will try to do things like pull in libs, and in particular libc... that could be bad :)
00:38 < zetsu> i really believe that people just use it to access the dark internet
00:38 < zetsu> like
00:38 < kekePower> zetsu: I typed linux and nothing happened
00:38 < zetsu> everything i see points to linux being used by hackers, just google it
00:38 < alexandre9099> zetsu, if you mean tor, it is also available on windows :D
00:38 < kekePower> zetsu: It's so dark I can't see anything
00:38 < zetsu> not sure how you can pretend that malicious actors dont use linux
00:38 < zetsu> probably just one of them
00:38 < annihilator> jim
00:38 < Pentode> linux: command not found :( darn
00:38 < kekePower> zetsu: I'm the great pretender
00:38 < jim> zetsu, that's Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD)
00:39 < Pentode> maybe i need to install it first
00:39 < annihilator> jim it will be better to just install a deb/ubuntu distro then?
00:39 < zetsu> jim: so hackers don't use linux?
00:39 < kekePower> zetsu: linux? No, the do their best to get toi gullable windows users
00:39 < annihilator> hackers use windows, linux, and mac
00:39 < esselfe> zetsu: hackers use hand made OSes
00:39 < zetsu> ?
00:39 < zetsu> esselfe: like linux?
00:39 < zetsu> annihilator: but they use linux to attack
00:39 < esselfe> yeah the use all of them at once
00:39 < jim> sure they do, but they also use bsd, and other unix alikes, as well as non-unix-alikes
00:40 < kekePower> zetsu: linux, *bsd, GNU, 90% of what runs the internet
00:40 < revel> Pentode: Try linux32 or linux64
00:40 < zetsu> if there was no linux hackers would have a harder time is all im saying
00:40 < annihilator> not true
00:40 < jim> zetsu, people use linux too
00:40 < zetsu> jim for what?
00:40 < annihilator> there are more windows virues created in visual studio than you think
00:40 < triceratux> if linux didnt exist it would be necessary for hackers to invent it
00:40 < kekePower> zetsu: sure we hack. Hacking, but definition, is the clicking sound from a keyboard
00:40 < jim> zetsu, to make music
00:40 < zetsu> kekePower: "we"
00:40 < zetsu> ok
00:41 < zetsu> jim: no one uses linux to make music LOL
00:41 < jim> to get their email
00:41 < jim> are you sure? :)
00:41 < kekePower> zetsu: Yes, we always try to make our distro work for us
00:41 < ||JD||> dude, I miss the late 90s internet, even trolls are bad nowadays
00:41 < kekePower> zetsu: Titanic was rendered on Linux
00:41 < revel> zetsu: Then JACK was completely pointless? :<
00:41 < jim> zetsu, take myself for example... I write music drills (right now in python)
00:41 < zetsu> man
00:42 < zetsu> you guys aren't facing facts
00:42 < Pentode> ||JD||, tell me about it. where is the world going?
00:42 < kekePower> zetsu: which facts?
00:42 < annihilator> jim: deb/ubu distro will better than importing an dpkg system into lfs?
00:42 < zetsu> kekePower: the evildoers of the world, cybercriminals, hackers, malware authors, reverse engineers, pentesters, black hat attackers
00:42 < zetsu> all use linux
00:42 < zetsu> and you're just one of them
00:42 < alexandre9099> oh, amazing, i forgot my CA key password :D
00:42 < kekePower> zetsu: You're just spewing out lots of garbage without any root in reality
00:42 < jim> annihilator, yes, because that's what it's set up for
00:42 < solidfox> I can't get japanese ime to work in kubuntu
00:43 < zetsu> solidfox: hack it
00:43 < kekePower> zetsu: Most of them are script kiddies
00:43 < triceratux> zetsu: when do you expect to see the year of the linux desktop ?
00:43 < zetsu> triceratux: it alredy skipped the desktop and went to mobile
00:43 < jim> zetsu, people write games using linux, because it's particularly suited for writing software
00:43 < revel> zetsu: I'd say most people writing malware for Windows/OSX probably use Windows/OSX themselves. I don't have numbers to back that up, though, then again, you don't have any to back your words either :)
00:44 < zetsu> jim: can write software on solaris
00:44 < zetsu> linux is for bad programming
00:44 < zetsu> revel: na dude
00:44 < kekePower> zetsu: so Google folks are a bunch of Quote: evildoers of the world, cybercriminals, hackers, malware authors, reverse engineers, pentesters, black hat attackers END Quote
00:44 < Dagmar> It's spelled "Slowaris"
00:44 < zetsu> revel: they use virtual machines and run windows and mac inside them
00:44 < zetsu> revel: they do all the main hacking from linux
00:44 < zetsu> then they try to hide it by using full screen virtual machines
00:44 < kekePower> zetsu: how come you know this?
00:44 < kekePower> zetsu: Are you a script kiddie?
00:44 < zetsu> kekePower: i read a blog
00:45 < revel> zetsu: Have you, by any chance, come here as a direct result of watching Mr. Robot?
00:45 < zetsu> no i am learning
00:45 < kekePower> zetsu: ooooo
00:45 < zetsu> revel: i am watyching it now
00:45 < Dagmar> Mainly because no one's bothered to report him for trolling yet
00:45 < revel> I'll take that as a yes.
00:45 < zetsu> i hope i develop the skills
00:45 < zetsu> to be like mr robotg
00:45 < kekePower> zetsu: good bye
00:45 < zetsu> i am even running my own encrypted full disk
00:45 < zetsu> that i set up myself
00:45 < zetsu> nearly there, day by day i get better
00:46 < zetsu> this time in 2020, i'll be able to write commands without needing a book
00:46 < revel> lol
00:46 < kavity> I wish I could develop the skills to become a robot!
00:46 < zetsu> and if im lost i can just go
00:46 < zetsu> man bla
00:46 < zetsu> instead of reading a book
00:46 < revel> "ls" "wow, I did it!"
00:46 < zetsu> or /usr/src
00:46 < zetsu> and read code
00:46 < zetsu> to know what something does
00:46 < zetsu> would like that
00:46 < zetsu> what sucks tho is that everyone pretends not to be ahacker
00:46 < kekePower> somebody please kick him out. This is getting annoying.
00:46 < zetsu> maybe real hackers dont use irc
00:47 < zetsu> kekePower: why don't you just leave as you are clearly hiding something
00:47 < kavity> I've been using linux most of my life, and I still use the man pages daily...
00:47 < revel> Especially the "return key as punctuation" bit.
00:47 < zetsu> kavity: yeah i cant figure manpages out
00:47 < zetsu> its very
00:47 < kekePower> zetsu: maybe real hackers don't go around boasting about their skillz
00:47 < zetsu> idk, dense
00:47 < zetsu> ?
00:47 < kavity> zetsu: man man
00:47 < zetsu> kekePower: yea we know your skilLZ
00:47 < jim> zetsu, can I just ask you a question... what is it you want the most right now?
00:47 < zetsu> will be better than you someday
00:47 < kavity> You can tell he's not a hacker because he doesn't "t4lk l1k3 th1$"
00:47 < zetsu> jim: what do you even mean
00:47 < kekePower> zetsu: Yes, I'm all over the net under this nick. look me up.
00:48 < zetsu> kekePower: i would rather look up what leftover shit is creeping around my asscrack
00:48 < kekePower> zetsu: I bet you'll find stuff about me online from before you were born
00:48 < jim> zetsu, there must be something, I just want to know what it is... it might explain why you're telling us all this'
00:48 < kavity> I would want a friend most. But I'd settle on more gin, or some beer...
00:48 < zetsu> jim: i want to be the best hacker, kernel, userspace, reverse engineering, systems admin, the bash prompt
00:49 < kekePower> zetsu: I know. You'd rather look at your own ass than the beaty of the world
00:49 < zetsu> i want to have so much skills i dream in code
00:49 < zetsu> kekePower: ok beaty
00:49 < kekePower> zetsu: oh. I'm sorry. Did I hit a nerve?
00:49 < jim> zetsu, being the best hacker is going to take years of learning
00:49 < solidfox> zetsu, what
00:49 < zetsu> jim: thts ok i have a lot of time before i die, and i don't really have a life
00:49 < jim> zetsu, ok... you're in the right place
00:49 < zetsu> solidfox: huh
00:49 < KOLANICH> 1 Should I really build the toolchain?
00:49 < KOLANICH> 2 Why should I build it?
00:50 < kavity> zetsu: Start learning to code.
00:50 < KOLANICH> 3 Why such widespread apps as cmake available as packages in most of distros are built too?
00:50 < solidfox> zetsu, I was talking about enabling japanese input and you said to hack it
00:50 < KOLANICH> 4 Why don't we use clang as a cross-compiler?
00:50 < zetsu> kavity: im a shit reader tbh
00:50 < solidfox> zetsu, hacking is hard. you should enjoy your life by taking it easy
00:50 < zetsu> solidfox: oh i thought like you wanted to use UTF-8
00:50 < useless-eater> zetsu: tehn leart to read first.
00:50 < zetsu> solidfox: i will never have a nice life
00:50 < zetsu> useless-eater: im very slow with technial books
00:50 < kekePower> useless-eater: touché
00:50 < zetsu> useless-eater: i stopped high school at 15\
00:50 < zetsu> so i don't really know math or reading too well
00:50 < bluezinc> oh geez...
00:51 < KOLANICH> sorry, wrong channel
00:51 < zetsu> i can skim mostly
00:51 < solidfox> zetsu, that's not true.
00:51 < kekePower> zetsu: So you're trying to "be one of the big boyz"
00:51 < jim> KOLANICH, what dist are you running? in some dists the whole toolchain is prebuilt and available as binary packages (which on some dists you can rebuild)
00:51 < zetsu> kekePower: im trying to be a boy first
00:51 < zetsu> before im a big boy
00:51 < kavity> zetsu: You're gonna have a hard time becoming some sort of leet hacker if you can't read. :O
00:51 < kekePower> zetsu: Then grow up and don't act like an ass
00:51 < zetsu> kekePower: dont tell me wtf to do
00:51 < zetsu> kavity: i can read
00:51 < zetsu> just
00:52 < zetsu> not complex stuff like SICP
00:52 < kekePower> zetsu: get into the pants of a woman before you speak to me
00:52 < jim> yes you can
00:52 < zetsu> kekePower: i'll never fall in love, so no thanks
00:52 < kavity> zetsu: If you smoke dope, smoke less, that's what I had to do to start getting better at reading and comprehending what I read.
00:52 < jim> zetsu, what was the last math class you took?
00:52 < zetsu> jim: idk, that was over ten years ago
00:52 < zetsu> i suck at math
00:53 < zetsu> i wish i were good at it
00:53 < zetsu> would clarify the other parts of my thinking that don't suck
00:53 < zetsu> kavity: yeah but you don't have fragments in your education like me :p
00:53 < zetsu> jim: probably middle school math or something equiv, algebra
00:54 < rascul> maths is hard
00:54 < kavity> zetsu: I did 4 years of highschool and still failed out of it, because I barely went. Fortunately to be a cook on a boat, you don't need to be a smarty pants.
00:54 < kavity> zetsu: In any case, the internet is full of free classes from the very basics onward.
00:55 < jim> zetsu, ok, then you can understand the SICP stuff, with some help... have you watched any of the sicp videos?
00:55 < zetsu> i just want to do all the shit on phrack.org
00:55 < zetsu> like myself
00:55 < zetsu> jim: didnt even know they had videos, i totally gave up
00:55 < zetsu> i give up on everything :(
00:55 < zetsu> but i mean it! i want to be the best
00:56 < jim> sicp will be a big help
00:56 < zetsu> kavity: i wish i didn't have this "ambition" lol
00:56 < kavity> "I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was... to catch them is my real test, to train them is my cause!"
00:56 < jim> here's a reference...
00:56 < jim> book: https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html, video lects: http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-001-structure-and-interpretation-of-computer-programs-spring-2005/video-lectures/
00:56 < kavity> zetsu: Why not? Ambition is the fuel that keeps a person from becomming a sloth and a scourge on society.
00:56 < jim> zetsu, watch the first video, see if you're even interested
00:57 < triceratux> "youve got to have a dream if you dont have a dream how you gonna have a dream come true ?"
00:57 < jim> (and zetsu, MIT is a hacker school :)
00:57 < kavity> triceratux: Dreams are for people who are asleep!
00:58 < jim> zetsu, you might also be interested in ocw.mit.edu
00:59 < zetsu> ook
00:59 < zetsu> kavity: im the biggest sloth and scourge on society i think
00:59 < zetsu> all i do is lay in bed hoping someday i'll have all this knowledge
00:59 < zetsu> ii was hoping to talk to linux
00:59 < jim> zetsu, look... just try it... watch the first video (and before you do, install a scheme interpreter)
00:59 < zetsu> jim: il spend time on it but after a few weeks i'll still have 0 knowledge
01:00 < kavity> zetsu: You can accomplish a lot while you're laying in bed.
01:00 < kavity> Talk to linux? :O
01:00 < zetsu> kavity: i thought i could find linux here
01:00 < kavity> O-o
01:00 < kavity> You need a copy of linux?
01:00 < zetsu> no
01:00 < zetsu> i thought
01:00 < jim> zetsu, scheme is -easy-, and that first video teaches you all of scheme in like 20 minutes
01:01 < zetsu> linux who invented linux would be here
01:01 < triceratux> zetsu: linux is a kernel. you find it on the servers
01:01 < zetsu> thought this was the official chat room
01:01 < kavity> Linus.
01:01 < useless-eater> zetsu: his name is tux, but he is offline now.
01:01 < zetsu> useless-eater: oh ok
01:01 < kavity> zetsu: His name is Linus, not Linux
01:01 < zetsu> oh
01:01 < kavity> And he hangs out with charlie brown., Carries around a blanket all the time.
01:01 < zetsu> :/
01:01 < kavity> I made the second part up...
01:02 < jim> and he plays "linus and lucy" on the pinano
01:26 < sauvin> zetsu, done yet?
01:26 < zetsu> ??
01:27 < sauvin> Lots of nick changes while in large channels is Frowned Upon.
01:28 < zetsu> one of my irc friends die once a fw months
01:28 < ayecee> >:(
01:28 < zetsu> i hope its you next sauvin
01:29 < ayecee> that escalated quickly
01:29 < sauvin> Hm. Social skills of a rabid alligator. Gotcha.
01:29 < zetsu> sauvin: your mom is a rabid alligator
01:29 < zetsu> know how i know?
01:29 < zetsu> let me tell you
01:29 < zetsu> i fucked your mom
01:30 < d0nde> oh lord
01:30 < ayecee> we prefer the term "made love to"
01:32 < sauvin> I take that back. He had the social skills of a chimpanzee that'd had a stone dropped on its head.
01:39 < triceratux> "... then youll never have a dream ... come ... troooooo"
01:40 < BCMM> sauvin: uh, reptiles can't get rabies
01:49 < notmike> I'll make love to your mom.
01:50 < notmike> Armadillos have leprosy
01:57 < sauvin> Looks like BCMM is right.
02:01 < greenPastures>  
02:02 < greenPastures> damn! *goes back to lurking*
02:03 < dylrich> Hi there! Fairly new (~one year) Linux user here. I'm experiencing a complete system crash at what appears to be totally random times. I'm on Fedora 28. Occasionally my system will lock up and prevent all interaction, requiring a reboot. No idea if it's a proprietary driver issue, GNOME issue, Fedora 28 issue, etc. I would love some help on how to debug this problem with system logs if possible. Not sure if this is the appropriate
02:03 < dylrich> venue for these questions.
02:04 < d0nde> that was a long copy paste
02:04 < bls> do the magic sysreq keys work when this happens? can you ping or ssh to the machine?
02:06 < dylrich> I haven't tried any of those honestly, but I will the next time it happens.
02:06 < sauvin> dylrich, do you have sensors installed?
02:06 < sauvin> (can you monitor temperatures?)
02:08 < dylrich> Doesn't appear to be temperature related, although my 2700X is a bit hot (between 50 and 70 while idle
02:09 < sauvin> If that thing ain't a laptop, yeah, that's kinda warm.
02:09 < sauvin> Also, can you monitor load?
02:10 < goldstar> I have a macvlan interface which uses the right mac-addr for ARPing (arp_ignore=1, arp_announce=2, rp_filter=2, ip_forward=1) but IP traffic is sent with the physical interface - what gives ?
02:10 < goldstar> *physical interface mac-address
02:11 < dylrich> Yeah, I've been watching and it's happened with nothing open and 1% cpu usage before. Usually right beforehand I'll get a ~3 second warning where video freezes, sound starts looping, then finally the mouse freezes.
02:11 < rebelmoon> I used to get that problem
02:11 < rebelmoon> It was an out-of-date BIOS.
02:11 < rebelmoon> Flashing the BIOS with the latest version solved it.
02:11 < d0nde> sounds like out of date firmware or drivers
02:12 < rebelmoon> Arch keeps the firmware and kernel pretty updated.
02:12 < rebelmoon> Oh wait
02:12 < rebelmoon> This isn't Arch, duh.
02:12 < rebelmoon> It could be that
02:12 < rebelmoon> But I would suspect the BIOS since that was the problem in my case.
02:13 < dylrich> Are you talking about my crashing issue?
02:13 < d0nde> i was
02:14 < rebelmoon> Yes, dylrich.
02:14 < rebelmoon> I had the exact same issue, dylrich.
02:15 < dylrich> OK - I suppose I can check the BIOS. I have been having a hard time getting my RAM which is rated for 3200 mhz to go up beyond 1833 as well. A visit to the BIOS seems in order :)
02:16 < dylrich> Appreciate the suggestions!
02:16 < rebelmoon> np
02:39 < iflema> https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/4gez8w/hide_title_bars_in_kde_plasma_5/
03:01 < aclaivi> ziggylazer: Didn't end up finishing the weak RSA, got too distracted by all the other things available #_#
03:06  * ffejj wassup
03:09 < Limit> Arch Linux + i3-gaps (no display manager)
03:09 < Limit> that's what's up
03:10 < ffejj> aw yea roll tide!
03:11 < Limit> yup... this machine runs super fast
03:12 < ffejj> what are you going to do with it?
03:13 < Limit> it's just my personal laptop
03:13 < Limit> trying to learn a bit about Linux in the process
03:15 < Limit> ffejj: what is your setup?
03:15 < aclaivi> Want to learn linux? Running Arch? Everything you need to know is just a pacman -Syu away!
03:16 < Limit> true. I just heard about Gentoo and LFS
03:16 < Limit> apparently those are where the big boys play
03:17 < ffejj> limit: oh neat.  i'm on a mini fanless pc (used for media center) ubuntu mate.
03:17 < Limit> ah cool
03:18 < Limit> aclaivi: what is your setup?
03:18 < ffejj> i dig it!  i originally had a raspberry pi but decided i wanted more power.  this seems to work well.  it originally came with windows 10 so it has enough power to run that at least.
03:20 < Limit> yeah, Linux is way better than Windows
03:20 < swift110> I have several pis but none are in use as of yet
03:21 < aclaivi> Limit: arch + i3
03:21 < Limit> ah nice
03:21 < ffejj> swift110: they're so cool. :)
03:24 < pie__> can anyone here work xkb? i tried to change my layout a bit but my layer 3/4 doesnt seem to do anything at all when i run xkbcomp plswork.xkb $DISPLAY for https://bpaste.net/show/061f68948677
03:32 < nekoseam> I miss the oxygen theme
03:32 < nekoseam> It was a work of art
03:51 < pie__> * https://bpaste.net/show/061f68948677
04:08 < Sheldon_Cooper> Bazinga
04:17 < dannylee> i can lay 20 squares of shingles in one day..with hammer and nails''
04:19 < nachosandmore> if I'm writing a shell and want to log a pipe between two forked children, is my only option ptrace? it's probably easiest to create two sets of pipes before forking and hook in that way, right?
04:25 < Guy1524> hey folks, is it possible for me to pause a process upon launch by another program, modify the arguments, then resume the process?
04:25 < Guy1524> I have a very specific usecase for this, and making a proxy executable would not be trivial in this case
04:28 < pnbeast> So it's definitely an XY problem and you refuse to tell us X, up front?  Refreshing...
04:31 < Guy1524> pnbeast: not sure what you mean
04:32 < sauvin> nachosandmore, not sure I understand your question.
04:33 < pnbeast> Normally people who refuse to explain their actual problem obfuscate, at first, or just ignore that it's true, then they beat around the bush for a while, then they either explain it or ragequit, depending.
04:33 < sauvin> Guy1524, what's the "very specific use case", and what are you trying to accomplish?
04:34 < Guy1524> I am trying to intercept an exe run by a process in wine
04:34 < Guy1524> and change one argument on the command line
04:34 < sauvin> For what purpose?
04:35 < Guy1524> and what I'm trying to accomplish is running fortnite under EAC by swapping the -noeac argument w/ -nobe
04:35 < Guy1524> because battleye doesn't work on wine
04:35 < Guy1524> I tried making some patches
04:35 < sauvin> These are Windows process whose argument lists you're trying to modify?
04:35 < Guy1524> but I ended up in spot where I had to restructure wine's code
04:35 < Guy1524> to make a function work
04:35 < Guy1524> and now I want to give EAC a shot
04:35 < Guy1524> yes, but they are still linux processes as well
04:35 < Guy1524> (I think)
04:36 < sauvin> No, they're not.
04:36 < Guy1524> because they show up in the system monitor
04:36 < Guy1524> and their command line arguments also show up there
04:36 < sauvin> They very well may, but wine "wraps" Windows.
04:36 < Guy1524> if worse comes to worse I'll make a dirty patch for wine to do it
04:37 < sauvin> Good luck with that. Usually, argument lists are parsed and evaluated during the program's init, and are often not referenced at all afterwards.
04:37 < sauvin> Meaning: once the program has launched, you're probably stuck with the arguments already given.
04:37 < Guy1524> yeah, that's why I was thinking I could pause the process
04:37 < Guy1524> and modify them before execution started
04:37 < Guy1524> but idk
04:38 < sauvin> I don't know either, but... hey... what's to say you can't "wrap" your program launch with a batch file?
04:39 < sauvin> Have your batch file call the executable after it's supplied appropriate arguments, and make whatever you're honking on to launch the program call the batch file instead of the executable.
04:39 < nachosandmore> @sauvin as a shell, I want to start logging the output of a producing process in a pipeline after I've already forked and setup the read side of the pipe in a consuming process.  I think I figured it out though - I can send a suspend signal to the producer, create a new pipe, and do some dup'ing to redirect output.  In a way, adding a `tee` after the fact. This is similar to what `peekfd` does but that uses ptrace and I'm hoping
04:39 < Guy1524> sauvin: I'll try that
04:39 < Guy1524> but I'll have to use a .bat to exe thing
04:40 < Happyhobo> Newegg sucks with all this chinese shipping
04:40 < sauvin> You'll have to use a what to what thing?
04:40 < hehehe> who here uses evolution?
04:40 < hehehe> I dont see how to sort messages by size theee
04:40 < hehehe> there
04:40 < hehehe> bizzare email client
04:40 < Guy1524> .bat to exe, because FortniteLauncher.exe launches the FortniteClient-Win64-Shipping_BE.exe -noeac executable
04:41 < hehehe> is there a way to search all email messages - including email text
04:41 < sauvin> Jeebus H., depend on the Windows people to make simple things complicated.
04:41 < hehehe> with some email client
04:42 < Guy1524> yeah, ikr
04:42 < hehehe> evolution seems to be buggy
04:43 < kerframil> hehehe: add the size column
04:45 < hehehe> kerframil: ty
04:51 < TinyTimmyTokyo> Hmm, how I can I prevent the Gentoo minimal CD from making that really loud noise on startup? There's not an option to disable the system beep in this particular device's BIOS
04:51 < TinyTimmyTokyo> The BIOS does allow for the disabling of the entire audio subsystem
04:52 < TinyTimmyTokyo> But I am unsure whether that would also disable the beep
04:55 < cmj> do you have /etc/default/grub?
04:56 < cmj> hrm
04:57 < cmj> pc_speaker is another culprit
04:59 < nekoseam> So GitHub is probably being bought by Microsoft soon
04:59 < nekoseam> wew
05:00 < cmj> microsoft is going hard over cloud storage
05:00 < cmj> local rivalry with amazon
05:01 < nekoseam> now is as good as time as any to switch to gitlabs
05:02 < ayecee> tomorrow would be better
05:06 < wyoung> .o/
05:08 < Tahlwyn> ugh. whelp, I guess this is a good thing, everyone is going to jump ship (hopefully) to the open source alternative (gitlab)
05:08 < Tahlwyn> gonna be a pain to migrate all my projects though
05:09 < oiaohm> nekoseam: github being aquired by microsoft only has been on the cards for 6 years so far.
05:09 < oiaohm> nekoseam: so maybe soon or maybe long time off who knows.
05:10 < oiaohm> nekoseam: but still having a system that you can host where ever is safer.
05:12 < ssl-3> ZFS-on-root hangs shortly after loading initrd.  Who's got an Arch-like system running ZFS on root here?
05:14 < Aph3x-WL> the only reason people are losing it over this microsoft acquiring github is because of the added "talks this time have gotten serious"
05:14 < Aph3x-WL> otherwise no one would care just as always
05:17 < iflema> wat
05:24 < GunqqerFriithian> If sending SIGKILL to another user's process is (sig)murder, what would `pkill -9 -u $(user)` be considdered?
05:29 < ssl-3> GunqqerFriithian:  株连九族
05:32 < GunqqerFriithian> what?
05:33 < bullgard4> '# apt dist-upgrade' in Debian unstable offers to install a new version of bash. '~$ deblogs bash' opens Firefox. Firefox notifys: "Debian source package changelog viewer. Error: no such package.  The package name you provided _bash_, does not seem to exist in the Source file (for main)." <-- What have I made wrongly?
05:34 < bullgard4> '# apt dist-upgrade' in Debian unstable offers to install a new version of bash. '~$ sr deblogs bash' opens Firefox. Firefox notifys: "Debian source package changelog viewer. Error: no such package.  The package name you provided _bash_, does not seem to exist in the Source file (for main)." <-- What have I made wrongly?
05:34 < ssl-3> bullgard4:  Don't spam, please.
05:35 < bullgard4> ssl-3: Are you a troll?
05:35 < GunqqerFriithian> what he said to me was translated to "The company has nine ethnic groups"
05:35 < ssl-3> bullgard4:  Did you just post the same thing twice in a minute?  We can read.
05:36 < bullgard4> ssl-3: You cannot read. I urge you to learn reading cearefully.
05:36 < bullgard4> -e
05:39 < ssl-3> bullgard4:  You're right.  I can't read.  But the shapes of your words seemed identical to those that you had posted less than a minute prior.
05:41 < bullgard4> ssl-3: I forgot an important word. So I corrrected my wrong messagge by re-transmitting the corrected message (a question).
05:41 < GunqqerFriithian> ok you're both in the wrong here. bull for repeating what he said not that lon gago, and ssl for being a dick about him doing it.
05:42 < ayecee> internet fiiight
05:42 < pnbeast> FIIIIGGGHT!
05:42 < GunqqerFriithian> $10 on ssl
05:43  * pnbeast points his cell phone at the channel to make a youtube video, which he will post under the title "See the one weird trick this internet bully uses to defeat his victim!".
05:43 < GunqqerFriithian> lol
05:43 < domhnall> pnbeast: worldstar?
05:43 < chchjesus> I just went through some old C code I wrote a few years ago
05:44 < chchjesus> and found this old file crash.c that I wrote
05:44 < chchjesus> I ran it and had to restart my computer lmao
05:45 < ||JD||> ok
05:45 < aclaivi> I guess you knew what you were doing when you wrote it
05:45 < chchjesus> it's so simple and stupid it made me laugh
05:46 < chchjesus> It just mallocs an exponentially increasing amount of space forever
05:46 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  The autolart.
05:46 < ayjay_t> anyone know how to _expand_ which ports are priveledged?
05:46 < chchjesus> ssl-3: autolart?
05:46 < ayjay_t> ie i want only priv'ed processes to be able to bind to any tcp port
05:46 < pnbeast> domhnall, what's that?
05:46 < ayjay_t> google is failing me because everyone wants to go the other way
05:47 < ssl-3> LART:  Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool, of BOFH fame.
05:47 < Dr_Coke> Hi Sveta
05:47 < pnbeast> chchjesus, shouldn't the OOM killer catch that?  I'm not going to test it.
05:47 < domhnall> it's what the cool-kids say when something happens worthy of a youtube
05:47 < chchjesus> pnbeast: I can tell you that my computer instantly locked up and wouldn't respond when I did it
05:47 < pnbeast> domhnall, oh.  I'm too old to be cool.
05:47 < chchjesus> ssl-3: Oh right!
05:47 < pnbeast> chchjesus, hmm, I see.
05:47 < chchjesus> I haven't read the BOFH for a long time
05:47 < domhnall> pnbeast: and im too old to know wth worlstar is really about
05:48 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  Fuck, man.  Remember the lore; it's the only reason we're still here.
05:48 < chchjesus> I would post the source code here but that'd be a little bit malicious
05:48 < chchjesus> so I won't
05:48 < pnbeast> Oh, the WWW says that worldstar is a website.  One that gets sued, sometimes.  Must be cool...
05:49 < chchjesus> I mean, you've got other problems if you can't write a loop to malloc space forever
05:49 < ssl-3> WORDSTAR!!!
05:49 < ssl-3> (ow, I'm old)
05:49 < chchjesus> I also found a program I saved from the net called forkprint.c, that forks a new process for each char in the string, and uses sys-v shared memory utils to handle the string for each char
05:50 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  Were you writing fork bombs for sport?
05:51 < GunqqerFriithian> would this (https://pastebin.com/sMy66awm) script work and/or do anything
05:51 < chchjesus> ssl-3: Sorta. I hacking around in some spare time, having fun with silly things I could do in C
05:53 < [R]> GunqqerFriithian: try it and see
05:54 < ||JD||> chchjesus: stop writing useless code, go multiply the bread or something
05:54 < GunqqerFriithian> I've been doing nothing but teleporting bread for the alst 3 days
05:54 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  It's too bad that we're lacking such useful commands as halt-and-catch-fire, these days.
05:55 < Happyhobo> I want to go in a coma for 18 days so I can wake up and have my card and antennas.  Damn New Chinese Egg..
05:57 < sauvin> ssl3, mind the language.
05:58 < chchjesus> ||JD||: 'no'
05:58 < chchjesus> I'm working through K&R at the moment
05:58 < uplime>  k&r is fun
05:58 < uplime> i learned a bit from the malloc tutorial too
05:59 < sauvin> Yeah, but... K&R, man... who uses that version anymore?
05:59 < uplime> legacy code
06:00 < sauvin> I flipping guess SO... K&R is almost as old as COBOL!
06:00 < chchjesus> K&R2
06:00 < chchjesus> I'm only doing it to better understand C, so I can contribute to the Linux Kernel
06:00 < chchjesus> I mean, I could contribute now, but I'm gonna hold off until I've finished K&R
06:01 < nekoseam> I'm trying out a distro called NuTyX. It has a 1 year release cycle, uses SysV and has a really cool package manager called Cards
06:02 < nekoseam> Is pretty BSD-like with its package manager
06:02 < chchjesus> >package manager called Cards
06:02 < chchjesus> I... kinda like that
06:02 < chchjesus> that's a cool name for a package manager
06:02 < nekoseam> stands for 'Create, Add, Remove and Download System' packages,
06:03 < ssl-3> 'cards' implies something random is about to happen.  Truth in advertising?
06:03 < chchjesus> uplime: do you still have your answers for the exercises, if you did them? I want to compare mine
06:03 < uplime> i read it years and years ago
06:03 < nekoseam> I'm wondering why you wouldn't just install Slackware + pkgsrc though
06:03 < uplime> and i was a much worse programmer back then anyways :D
06:04 < chchjesus> ssl-3: I implemented HCF functionality into a delphi tool at work
06:05 < chchjesus> there were two buttons: `Halt', and `Catch Fire'
06:05 < ssl-3> nekoseam:  Slackware is fun.  11/10 I'd be having more fun sorting out why my machine won't use a ZFS root if I were using Slackware still.
06:06 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  How did that work out?
06:06 < chchjesus> It's fine, because it's a non production tool
06:06 < chchjesus> Delphi has the Halt and RunError command
06:07 < chchjesus> s/&/&s/
06:07 < ssl-3> Ahh.  Delphi is (still) kind of interesting.  But I'm a strawman when it comes to coding.
06:10 < chchjesus> Delphi is a nice enough language. It's just a pity it costs so much, and they're so anal about Delphi on Linux
06:10 < [R]> delphi is stil la thing?
06:10 < chchjesus> It is! There are still delphi mailing lists and old delphi programmers that post on them
06:11 < chchjesus> I work in the health sector, and there are several PMSs (Patient/Practice Management Systems) that are implemented in Delphi
06:11 < pnbeast> Is Delphi the thing that uses some kind of object oriented pascal?
06:11 < chchjesus> It *is* Object Pascal
06:11 < [R]> tahts just ridiuclous
06:11 < chchjesus> Proprietary Object Pascal + IDE and dev environment
06:11 < ssl-3> My uncle made his (sorta) fortunes writing in Delphi, and still dabbles in it.  Pascal is a fine language.
06:12 < pnbeast> Yeah.  I got some "source" for a program from Delphi, once.  It had no comments at all and was all crammed together without spaces.
06:12 < wyoung> Lazarus is a nice pascal environment
06:12 < pnbeast> I know it's wrong to smear the tool/project for what a coder did, but it burned my eyes pretty badly.
06:12 < chchjesus> Yeah, there's a senior dev (in both meanings of the term) at my job who writes awful code
06:12 < ssl-3> pnbeast:  That can happen anywhere.  I'm sure there's obfuscated BASH contests.
06:12 < chchjesus> ssl-3: ew.
06:13 < chchjesus> I'd like to see an Obfuscated LaTeX contest
06:13 < wyoung> chchjesus: just use a linter on code commit, solved :)
06:13 < pnbeast> This wasn't intentional.  It was pure, pure hackery from someone who'd never thought about coding.
06:13 < ssl-3> Obfuscated LaTeX and Postscript are the same thing, aren't they?
06:13 < chchjesus> Lolno
06:14 < GunqqerFriithian> I'm trying to do a bash script which needs random numbers. `$(( ( RANDOM % 5 )  + 1 ))` apparently doesn't have an even distribution. What would be the best way to do a random number between 0 and n with mostly even distrubtion `1
06:14 < ssl-3> [it's ok.  I have +20 on dodging bullets right now.]
06:15 < pnbeast> GunqqerFriithian, do you need "good" random numbers?  Figure out how to read /dev/random and translate it to the range you want.
06:15 < wyoung> GunqqerFriithian: are you using the random number in a crypto function / usage?
06:15 < GunqqerFriithian> I don't need perfect randomness, just a nice even ish random number
06:15 < GunqqerFriithian> nope
06:15 < wyoung> What is your use case then?
06:16 < GunqqerFriithian> a slight nafarious use (putting a script on someone else's computer to mess with them)
06:16 < GunqqerFriithian> https://pastebin.com/sMy66awm
06:16 < wyoung> GunqqerFriithian: I see, that sounds dicey.
06:17 < GunqqerFriithian> most of the stuff I do is slightly dicey
06:17 < ssl-3> gunqqerfriithan:  I'm in favor of actual-random.  It is good that it puts the mouse where it already was, sometimes.
06:18 < GunqqerFriithian> what I'm aiming for is someone's mouse is fucked with with out them knowing the origin
06:18 < GunqqerFriithian> (judge away all you want)
06:19 < ssl-3> gunggerfriithian:  Of course.  But if it randomly doesn't (seem to) fuck with the mouse, the trick still works.  It might even work better.  I see no reason for an evenly-distributed source of random.
06:19 < GunqqerFriithian> I know it's not really needed, but it's something that just nags at me
06:19 < GunqqerFriithian> just want it to be even
06:20 < ssl-3> Naah, man.  Let me vote for pure random on this one.  It's better this way.
06:20 < GunqqerFriithian> (also if you have ideas for what to add to that / improve it feel free Im all eyes)
06:21 < ssl-3> Evenly-distributed random is best-known, perhaps, in the iTunes/iPod shuffle function...which would be a PITA to reiimplement.
06:22 < GunqqerFriithian> really?
06:22 < GunqqerFriithian> huh
06:22 < ssl-3> Indeed.  It's not random at all.
06:22 < ycarene> Is there a way to tweak vulkan performance?
06:23 < pnbeast> If you do a mind meld with 'em and tell them the cheat codes, they can do better.
06:23 < ycarene> :P
06:23 < wyoung> vulkan?
06:23 < sauvin> One of my first primary languages, those many years ago, was Pascal. From what I *remember* of it, there's nothing wrong with it.
06:23 < wyoung> haha
06:23 < ycarene> It's basically what's replacing opengl for games.
06:24  * GunqqerFriithian can only get openGL 3.0 and nothing higher
06:25 < [R]> ycarene: yeah, get better hardware
06:26 < ssl-3> [R]:  Harsh, but perhaps accurate.
06:26 < nekoseam> Xfce vs Mate. Go
06:27 < nekoseam> Both are pretty similar
06:27 < ssl-3> Mate is lofty and wishy-washy.  So Xfce wins.
06:28 < chchjesus> GunqqerFriithian: head -c 256 /dev/urandom | od -An -tuI
06:28 < Happyhobo> afterstep
06:28 < chchjesus> Dunno how uniform tho
06:29 < nekoseam> Never tried afterstep
06:29 < nekoseam> Is it like fvwm, openbox and pekwm?
06:29 < ssl-3> hahah.  Afterstep.  Yes, 20+ years ago, Afterstep worked just fine.   Non-overlapping window placement by default is a boon toward getting things done.
06:29 < GunqqerFriithian> chchjesus: how would I get that to output a single number between 0 and n?
06:31 < chchjesus> I dunno lol, good question
06:31 < ssl-3> (XFCE likes to put every window dead-center by default, which sucks when more than one identically-sized window opens at the same time)
06:31 < Happyhobo> I love gnome.
06:31 < nekoseam> lol
06:31 < GunqqerFriithian> ahah! bit more googling `jot` does what I want and it looks like it will already be installed on the computers im messing with
06:31 < Happyhobo> the into the corner shows all my windows bam
06:32 < ssl-3> bash: jot: command not found
06:32 < GunqqerFriithian> it's on OS X
06:32 < Pentode> i set xfce to place only the smallest windows in the center. otherwise they are placed wherever they fit best. usually against the outside edge somewhere...
06:33 < GunqqerFriithian> which will be the OS  on the computers I am messing with
06:33 < ssl-3> GunggerFriithian:  oy.  I dont' OS X well.
06:33 < ssl-3> s/t'/'t//
06:33 < chchjesus> OS X is considered harmful
06:33 < Pentode> i would probably jump off a parking garage if i had to use osx on a daily basis
06:33 < GunqqerFriithian> well on OS X it seems jot is already installed
06:33 < chchjesus> chiefly because it doesn't respect your freedoms
06:33 < GunqqerFriithian> still beter than windows
06:34 < Pentode> it may be better posix wise but interface wise it's horrid
06:34 < ssl-3> Can't you find a less-theist OS for your nefarious tool, so the rest of us can use it too?
06:34 < nekoseam> i dont care if proprietary software is on my system as long as it works
06:34 < nekoseam> windows 10 and macos dont work
06:34 < chchjesus> Aha, but Windows 10 has a Linux subsystem!
06:34 < Pentode> ibm/microsoft got it right with the taskbar based interface IMO.
06:35 < GunqqerFriithian> well if you can find me a better num generator go for it
06:35 < GunqqerFriithian> :P
06:35 < chchjesus> Linux is over guys. Let's just close this channel. We don't need to use Linux anymore because Windows has the Linux subsystem
06:35 < Pentode> lol
06:35 < chchjesus> We can just do all of our work in Windows now
06:35 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  Which works really well, by the way.  So you're right:  We're done here.
06:35 < GunqqerFriithian> extend, embrace, exterminate.
06:36 < chchjesus> Didn't some systemd functionality get ported over to Windows too?
06:36 < chchjesus> for their subsystem?
06:36 < ssl-3> chchjesus:  Dunno, but I have the thing installed.  Anything you want me to try?
06:36 < chchjesus> does systemctl work?
06:37 < ssl-3> Performing one-time upgrade of the Windows Subsystem for Linux file system for this distribution...
06:37 < ssl-3> please wait
06:37 < nekoseam> systemd was a mistak
06:37 < nekoseam> e
06:37 < NewbProgrammer10> ^
06:37 < nekoseam> that typo was too
06:37 < GunqqerFriithian> problem is using jot is that I can't test it :P
06:37 < chchjesus> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8036
06:37 < nekoseam> systemd was like that typo
06:37 < chchjesus> This makes me laugh
06:37 < NewbProgrammer10> ^
06:38 < chchjesus> SystemD has made its way to Windows
06:38 < ssl-3> ~$ systemctl
06:38 < ssl-3> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory
06:38 < domhnall> systemctl.exe ?
06:38 < chchjesus> I think
06:38 < chchjesus> Oh, maybe not
06:38 < NewbProgrammer10> lol
06:38 < chchjesus> Well, the idea of systemd absorbing windows is funny to me, anyway,
06:38 < ssl-3> $ which systemctl
06:38 < ssl-3> /bin/systemctl
06:38 < chchjesus> s/,$//
06:39 < sauvin> Windows 10 does not have a Linux subsystem.
06:39 < ssl-3> It most certainly does!
06:39 < ssl-3> $ uname -a
06:39 < ssl-3> Linux Whitewash 4.4.0-17134-Microsoft #48-Microsoft Fri Apr 27 18:06:00 PST 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
06:40 < chchjesus> It's a Windows Subsystem for Linux, not a Linux Subsystem for Windows
06:40 < chchjesus> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/faq
06:40 < sauvin> Can it fork?
06:40 < domhnall> lawd, they're trying to gain back converters.
06:41 < ssl-3> $ fork
06:41 < ssl-3> No command 'fork' found, did you mean:
06:41 < ssl-3>  Command 'gfork' from package 'globus-gfork-progs' (universe)
06:41 < ssl-3>  Command 'pork' from package 'pork' (universe)
06:41 < ssl-3>  Command 'forg' from package 'forg' (universe)
06:41 < ssl-3>  Command 'forw' from package 'mailutils-mh' (universe)
06:41 < ssl-3>  Command 'forw' from package 'nmh' (universe)
06:41 < ssl-3> fork: command not found
06:41 < chchjesus> ssl-3: Let me mail you a `fork' binary that you can run on your computer
06:41 < chchjesus> ;)
06:41 < ssl-3> Guys, this thing has been around for awhile now.  It isn't new.
06:41 < chchjesus> ^
06:42 < sauvin> Thought so. As I understood it, it's a wine-like layer that translates *some* Linux system calls into Windows calls, enabling it to run *some* binaries, notably a shell.
06:42 < domhnall> no warning? petty!
06:42 < Muimi> Can I get a second opinion?
06:42 < Muimi> I have a high-gloss laptop screen, and i want to reduce the gloss...
06:42 < Muimi> Someone recommended sand paper.
06:42 < ssl-3> sauvin:  Is there a thing you'd like me to test?  I haven't done much with it since installing it a few days ago.
06:42 < bls> Muimi: wrong channel. try ##hardware
06:42 < Pentode> sand paper yeah that can't go wrong
06:43 < Pentode> they make stuff you can stick on the screen for that
06:43 < ssl-3> bonnie++ was the reason I installed it, and that works fine.
06:43 < chchjesus> >someone recommended sand paper
06:43 < chchjesus> d'ohoho
06:43 < sauvin> I'll never run Windows again, so I don't personally care. People who *know* what they're talking about say most emphatically it can't be used for real work.
06:43 < chchjesus> almost as mean as the old #unix channels back in the day
06:43 < pnbeast> Muimi, just send it to me.  I'll take care of it for you.  I like to help.
06:43 < cmj> #unix channels?
06:44 < chchjesus> sauvin: I think the point of it is to take back users who aren't necessarily full linux converts
06:44 < ossifrage> X apps that do focus stealing should be murdered... I was in a text editor when a long running job threw up an error dialog and grabbed focus, my next key press was an enter which cancelled the job (and the error message)
06:44 < sauvin> Sandpaper would work, yes, but you need a really, really, really FINE grit.
06:44 < ssl-3> sauvin:  Much of my "real" work has consistently relied upon Windows.  But I've got it running in a VM under a Manjaro host, so IDGAF.
06:44 < sauvin> In fact, I think you might want to try toothpaste.
06:44 < cmj> mild abrasives
06:44  * pnbeast prefers Pepsodent on his high gloss monitors.
06:44 < sauvin> cmj, yes, mild abrasives with very HIGH grit.
06:44 < domhnall> I mean, privacy screens are pretty cheap.
06:45 < cmj> heh
06:45 < ssl-3> (linux-on-windows under Linux?  <---  this is a thing that I'm doing)
06:45 < cmj> i have plastic polish pads that go up to 6000 grit
06:45 < cmj> don't ask why
06:46 < chchjesus> Temple OS is the OS of the future
06:46 < ssl-3> Amen, brother!  The one, True OS!
06:46 < cmj> he's in portland atm
06:46 < cmj> so weird
06:47 < ssl-3> But how will Temple OS compare to the Haiku Project?
06:47 < GunqqerFriithian> (if any of you know a good way of generating random num between 0 and n ping me)
06:48 < cmj> man shuf
06:48 < [R]> "ReactOS can finally build itself"... does that mean its self aware or somethign?
06:49 < Dan39> ah, temple os, or now known at my work as "the racist guy os". i found it pretty cool before, so went to show a boss at work. pulled up a youtube video of the creator explaining it, and like 10 seconds in he drops the N word
06:49 < cmj> he's quite … sigh
06:49 < domhnall> "on no he didn't"
06:49 < Mead> three things that don't belong in a OS,  politics, religion, and racism
06:50 < cmj> he's bipolar
06:50 < jim> he dropped the n word on a video?!
06:50 < Dan39> im guessing that's sarcasm jim? -_
06:50 < cmj> nfi
06:50 < cmj> he probably did
06:51 < jim> I didnt know
06:51 < cmj> he's also seemingly easy to attach due to his illness
06:51 < pnbeast> Dan39, didn't you know who the loon was?
06:51 < strive> templeOS? Isn't the creatore a racist?
06:51 < [R]> i thought he was put away or something
06:51 < cmj> he's in portland right now
06:51 < Dan39> i mean i knew he was a bit crazy, but i didnt know he was a hardcore serious racist
06:52 < Dan39> and would go on a rant about it in the middle of a demo video
06:53 < pnbeast> Dan39, I see.
06:53 < cmj> not a healthy divulgence, either way
06:53 < cmj> he's not well
06:53 < pnbeast> [R], we don't refer to people in Portland as "being put away".  They're "differently abled".
06:53 < jim> any other support for him being hardcore?
06:53 < [R]> lol
06:54 < [R]> if youo're not hardcore
06:54 < [R]> no you're not hardcore
06:54 < GunqqerFriithian> this is portland OR, right?
06:55 < cmj> people just recently got after him is all
06:56 < jim> over what though?
06:56 < cmj> that he's unstable and is in portland
06:56 < cmj> and it hit the sub
06:56 < ayecee> a bad combination
06:56 < cmj> it wasn't good
06:58 < [R]> i just watched a minute of a lie stream of his
06:58 < [R]> i think im dumber now
06:59 < cmj> https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/8m5ru4/infamous_schizophrenic_homeless_computer/
06:59 < chchjesus> he's schizophrenic
06:59 < chchjesus> idk if he's bipolar or not
06:59 < cmj> it's a shitty topic
07:12 < agent_white> chchjesus: I think not bi-polar, that would mean he has episodes of it flaring and his is 24/7. I'm ticked that Terry removed his code-walkthroughs of Temple though, those were pretty rad.
07:15 < cmj> it's a bible distro with sole purpose of no internet connectivity
07:16 < ayecee> jesus is my uplink
07:16 < agent_white> Just shows you don't need internet to reach God. ;)
07:16 < cmj> that alone… sigh
07:19 < agent_white> Yeah, still doesn't take away the work he put into making it though. The dude is one smart cookie.
07:21 < cmj> he's on the spectrum
07:21 < pnbeast> We don't say "on the spectrum".  We say "in Portland".
07:21 < agent_white> Yup, being on the spectrum doesn't automagically make you smart though.
07:21  * cmj blinks
07:23 < cmj> we pay attention
07:24 < agent_white> Nice. As do many people.
07:24 < [R]> the color spectrum?
07:25 < cmj> he "just arrived to portland", i digress
07:25 < cmj> full red
07:34  * sauvin remains firmly entrenched in rural Idaho
07:35 < uplime> https://englishwithasmile.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/entrench.jpg <-- sauvin
07:36 < sauvin> Yeah, that one was after all the snow melted on an unexpectedly warm day after a typical snowstorm.
07:37 < wyoung> nice
07:39 < cmj> sauvin: are you really getting snow in june?
07:40 < sauvin> cmj, your humour meter is busted. Replace it.
07:40 < cmj> windy.com
07:40 < cmj> fixing
07:40 < sauvin> Snow DOES happen, as a matter of fact, in June... but not usually north of the equator in inhabited zones.
07:42 < cmj> you mentioned idaho, i'm next state west
07:43 < pnbeast> cmj, tell the truth, are you in Portland?
07:43 < cmj> no
07:43 < sauvin> I'm not in Idaho, but I _am_ somewhere in the Midwest. "In his own private Idaho" is apparently a regional collquialism meaning more or less the same as "off in la-la land"
07:43 < pnbeast> Okay.  This time.
07:44 < cmj> my own privat idaho
07:44 < cmj> no i've lived in the nw for my entire life
07:44 < damo22> what does it mean if lsof and fuser hang?
07:45 < cmj> run it as root
07:45 < damo22> i cant
07:45 < damo22> i need to find out the pid of a process using a port and i dont have root
07:46 < cmj> that's hidden for a reason
07:46 < damo22> not on my local install its not
07:46 < damo22> well it doesnt hang anyway
07:47 < damo22> just prints empty
07:47 < [R]> only the owner and root can do taht
07:47  * cmj grizzles
07:47 < damo22> i might be the owner, but im on a timeshared server
07:48 < [R]> what?
07:48 < damo22> as in, the process running on a port might be owned by me
07:48 < damo22> so i should see it right
07:48 < cmj> what port is that?
07:48 < [R]> then yes
07:48 < [R]> if its your uid
07:48 < [R]> it will show up
07:49 < [R]> netstat
07:49 < [R]> will tell you who owns what ports
07:49 < cmj> netstat -plant
07:49 < [R]> cmj: trying to plant a kiss on someone?
07:49 < damo22> netstat -plnt doesnt show the processes
07:49 < cmj> perhaps [R]
07:49 < cmj> because you don't own the process
07:50 < damo22> ahh plant
07:50 < damo22> thanks!
07:50 < cmj> what on earth
07:50  * cmj walks
08:02 < Pentode> shartzblat
08:11 < autopsy> Pentode, did you just fart? Or shart?
08:12 < Pentode> well it all started with a sneeze...
08:15 < autopsy> Pentode, brocolli and cheese.
08:15 < jim> a rabid alligator who also ate a clock?
08:16 < autopsy> Time Saver. Its not me.
08:49 < badboyjer> whats up
08:51 < autopsy> badboyjer, whats up with you?
08:51 < badboyjer> not shit
08:52 < badboyjer> bypassing linux onmy maachine
08:52 < badboyjer> practiving shit and watching harsh times
08:53 < badboyjer> what are you doing?
08:53 < autopsy> badboyjer, telling my friend about facebook IRC and IPv4 and 6.
08:54 < badboyjer> nice
08:54 < badboyjer> i still have to learn ipv6
08:54 < badboyjer> 4 isnt too bad
08:54 < autopsy> Yeah.
08:55 < jim> wonder if I have something about ipv6...
08:55 < jim> (and, so do I have to learn it)
08:55 < badboyjer> what do you mean jim
08:55 < badboyjer> oh ok
08:55 < badboyjer> i know its 128 bits
08:55 < autopsy> Yes jim its imperative.
08:56 < jim> I got a bunch of stuff in a database
08:57 < autopsy> jim just run a query on it.
08:57 < jim> yeah, I do have one url, https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO.html
08:57 < jim> that url is what I have in my db
08:57 < teodorg> it is not about 4 being not too bad or something.
08:58 < teodorg> just we are out of IPv4 address space.
08:58 < badboyjer> yea that sucks
08:58 < teodorg> RIPE (Europe & Middle East) do not provide IPv4 anymore.
08:58 < badboyjer> they should make it bigger
08:58 < teodorg> Yet to consider that a vast amount of users around the world are still behind NAT (and that really sucks)
08:58 < jim> bigger than 126b?
08:58 < teodorg> badboyjer: they did. With IPv6
08:59 < jim> err 128b
08:59 < badboyjer> nuce
08:59 < badboyjer> nice
08:59 < michael2> so is that the advantage of IPv6? no more NAT?
08:59 < teodorg> no, not only.
08:59 < jim> I'll still do nat :)
08:59 < teodorg> But its largest advantage is... real (no NAT) IPs for everyone. That is IPv6 main message.
08:59 < michael2> yeah, NAT is a firewall
09:00 < teodorg> jim: that is another way of NAT you will do. You do it to firewall, not to masquerade IPs. So... the masquerading NAT will be a history.
09:00 < teodorg> IPv6 has some other nice advantages, but that is the main one.
09:00 < [R]> NAT has nothing to do with friewalling
09:00 < jim> well isn't there ip6tables?
09:01 < teodorg> [R]: eeehh.... not really. NAT is considered some sort of firewalling.
09:01 < teodorg> jim: yes, there is.
09:01 < michael2> NAT wont allow incoming packets unless there is an established connect- I call that a firewall
09:01 < jim> and can't you use that to do nat on ipv6 host addresses?
09:01 < teodorg> there was a funny story. A month ago I was hired to do pentesting (security audit) of a next generation phone system.
09:01 < teodorg> It was firewalled pretty well, by a skilled Linux engineer.
09:02 < badboyjer> the real question is is when is WIMAX coming out
09:02 < teodorg> But... only with iptables :)
09:02 < teodorg> it was Linux based (Debian) and IPv6 was enabled by default and ... it got its IPv6 address from the provider.
09:03 < badboyjer> what about wimax
09:03 < teodorg> and since that guy (the Linux engineer) put no efforts to apply his firewall rules on the ip6tables... the system was totally exposed from IPv6 and his firewall made no sense at all...
09:03 < teodorg> wimax is a non successful technology. It just lost.
09:04 < badboyjer> how so?
09:04 < jim> well there used to be a package in debian (it was withdrawn or something) called ipmasq
09:04 < jim> and it did ipv4 NAT
09:05 < teodorg> badboyjer that is how life works. Like Novell Netware and IPX, in example. Wimax did not impress the market and faded away.
09:05 < michael2> teodorg: how did the pentesting of the firewall go?
09:05 < badboyjer> ok i understand
09:06 < teodorg> michael2: as i told you... the system was found to be totally exposed. All the service / ddos protection rules became senseless, since they haven't been applied onto the ipv6 network stack...
09:07 < teodorg> this is like you have two entrance doors of a building. One of it you secure totally with an expensive and sophisticated lock. But you forget about the 2nd one and leave it as it is... guess how secure the system is.
09:07 < ziggylazer> Whats the cmd for copy in VIM, when in insert?
09:07 < teodorg> michael2: indeed, I was close to give up, since it was protected really well. Not until I found that it is on IPv6 too...
09:09 < ziggylazer> nevermind, got it
09:09 < michael2> teodorg: did you stop once you discovered the IPv6 connectivity? or keep pentesting deeper?
09:10 < autopsy> PEN testing?
09:10 < jim> ziggylazer, I dunno :) I usually just use the console cut (ctrl x), copy (ctrl c) and paste (ctrl v), but not just in vi, but in anything in the terminal
09:10 < Kremator> guys, what is CUPS app in ubuntu?
09:10 < autopsy> Is that where you like use a PEN?
09:11 < cfoch> hello
09:11 < cfoch> why isn't this working
09:11 < cfoch> sed -e "s/\${path}/$(pwd)/" solution.json.schema.template
09:11 < teodorg> autopsy : yes, precisely. using a pen.
09:11 < jim> Kremator, is it that you don't know what cups is?
09:11 < Kremator> jim, no idk what cups is
09:11 < badboyjer> cups is for printing
09:11 < cfoch> I think this is because sed takes the path output by $(pwd) as a regular expression
09:11 < Kremator> ok
09:11 < teodorg> michael2: no, you try to go as further as possible. Why do you ask?
09:12 < jim> Kremator, cups is a print server
09:12 < cfoch> how can I modify sed -e "s/\${path}/$(pwd)/" solution.json.schema.template  in order to replace "path" by th current working directory?
09:12 < autopsy> Common Unix Printing Service.
09:12 < Kremator> jim, i think i asked the other day here, but i didnt remember
09:12 < Kremator> im gonna uninstall it
09:12 < jim> ok :)
09:13 < jim> (and, you didn't need me to say "ok", you could do what you want to your own machine)
09:13 < michael2> teodorg: to know how systems can be vulnerable - so I can make sure mine aren't
09:13 < Kremator> jim, human beings always likes to have validation from others
09:13 < autopsy> Yeah I stopped cups.service on my machine.
09:13 < jim> ok, I get that...
09:14 < jim> so, it could be that stuff installed on your box depends on the print server... if you get rid of the print server it will probably take the depending things too
09:15 < Kremator> jim, is just a desktop distro, and i dont have a printer
09:16 < autopsy> Kremator, you could just stop the service from running.
09:16 < jim> (the rationale being, if A depends on B, that's saying A needs B to run correctly)
09:16 < jim> Kremator, so, that totally makes sense
09:17 < autopsy> You need a printer though with high gloss photo paper.
09:17 < Kremator> autopsy, i wouldlike to have less package, but i guess disabling the service woulld be enough
09:17 < jim> me, I got a printer, and it works from the cups of one of my machines, but not the other
09:17 < autopsy> Kremator, maybe get a photo laser jet.
09:17 < Kremator> jim, are you showing off your printers :
09:17 < Kremator> :(
09:18 < Kremator> autopsy, no money
09:18 < autopsy> Ah.
09:18 < autopsy> jim You probably need some special manufacturers file for the CUPS config.
09:18 < jim> I want a print queue on my main box to be able to print to the queue on the box that directly connects to the printer
09:19 < jim> haven't been able to do that :/
09:19 < autopsy> That is no good.
09:19 < jim> yep, I have to ssh into the other box to print
09:21 < jim> autopsy, well, I don't think that's the problem (it prints fine from the other box, and that's using cups)
09:22 < autopsy> jim can you not add a networked printer using CUPS?
09:22 < jim> I can, but I can't get it to work... the cups people said I should read stuff (and maybe that's what I should do)
09:23 < jim> the printer itself has an eth card in it
09:23 < autopsy> Yeah just add some strace to the commands using lpr and such. Test it with lpd.
09:23 < autopsy> Oh wow.
09:24 < jim> it's an hplj 4050... I bought it when its page count was 1 :)
09:24 < autopsy> Thats HP so it should work.
09:26 < jim> yep, and I -could- try talking to it using the hp protocol... but dang it, it should work to go from a cups on a machine with no direct printers to a cups with the printer attached
09:26 < jim> I guess I could print over the net
09:26 < jim> (well of course that's what I would be doing)
09:26 < autopsy> Yeah of course.
09:27 < autopsy> Test using lpd lpr lprm etc.
09:27 < jim> I think you talk to it using port 9100
09:28 < jim> but when I print with the "remote" cups, it never says what happened, enough so I can fix it
09:28 < jim> or at all really
09:29 < teodorg> michael2: well, pentesting can't be specific as a routing. You just search for vulnerabilities, based on your knowledge and experience on them. The more you have of these, the more you will be sure you are doing an exhaustive pentesting.
09:30 < teodorg> michael2: sed 's/routing/routine'
09:35 < autopsy> jim yeah but printing over the network should que jobs using lpd for example and you'll see it in your queue in CUPS.
09:35 < xakeom> hi! can anyone help me with some Manjaro issues?
09:36 < Psi-Jack> But.... There's just too many. :)
09:36 < [R]> Psi-Jack: so i've been playing with saltstack
09:36 < Psi-Jack> [R]: Ohhh?
09:36 < autopsy> Manjaro fanjaro.
09:36 < [R]> Psi-Jack: pretty nice so far
09:36 < Psi-Jack> It can be. :)
09:38 < [R]> i've set up an ubuntu preseed that will automatically install the packaged version of salt... then i have a reactor that runs highstate on minion start, it installs the latest version of salt, copies a custom minion config, the minoin restarts, then it uses the minion version to run a differnet highstate top, and does my provisioning
09:38 < Psi-Jack> Niiiiice. :)
09:40 < zergut> Hello
09:41 < zergut> Why when i run this command sudo alsa force-reload  - i get this Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-hrtimer snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-seq-midi snd-seq-midi-event snd-rawmidi snd-seq snd-seq-device snd-timer (failed: modules still loaded: snd-hrtimer snd-hda-codec-hdmi snd-hda-codec-realtek snd-hda-intel snd-hda-codec snd-hwdep snd-pcm snd-page-alloc snd-seq
09:41 < zergut> snd-seq-device snd-timer).
09:41 < autopsy> Hello zergut.
09:41 < zergut> autopsy: Hello
09:42 < zergut> i mean failed part
09:42 < autopsy> zergut, have you tried using modprobe -r on the failed modules?
09:43 < autopsy> zergut, are you doing it as root?
09:44 < zergut> yes
09:44 < autopsy> zergut, try modprobe -r on some of the failed modules and see with lsmod if they are unloading.
09:49 < zergut> autopsy: it says mod in use
09:49 < zergut> fatal
09:50 < autopsy> zergut, they have to be unloaded in a specific order I don't know the order or how to get it.
09:51 < autopsy> zergut, in lsmod you'll see used by 0 unload those first before the others.
10:12 < noirx> hello all
10:13 < Pentode> hi
10:13 < noirx> how can i enable ssh connections to this new debian server
10:14 < noirx> i am trying to connect from galaxy 7 i get error connection refused
10:14 < chamaeleon> systemctl start sshd
10:14 < jim> what happens when you try to ssh to it?
10:15 < jim> chamaeleon, maybe that plus install an sshd
10:15 < jim> (not in that order :)
10:15 < noirx> ok, trying...
10:15 < jim> maybe you get "connection refused"?
10:15 < noirx> yes
10:17 < jim> ok, probably that means that if an sshd is not installed, you could install one... try openssh (but just one sec, let me get the short info on that package)
10:17 < chamaeleon> openssh-server
10:17 < noirx> failed to start, sshd.services not found
10:17 < chamaeleon> apt install openssh-server
10:17 < jim> right
10:17 < noirx> ok
10:17 < jim> that's the package :)
10:18 < jim> the info is...
10:18 < jim> Package openssh-server (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. Version: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u3; Size: 324.7k; Installed: 883k; Homepage: http://www.openssh.com/
10:19 < jim> in debian, when you install that package, not only will the packaging arrange for it to start at boot, but also will start it no
10:19 < jim> now
10:20 < noirx> installing openssh u r great guys thanks
10:20 < jim> so... install the package, then try sshing to that server again
10:20 < jim> and... please spell out u as you, it helps people (particularly new english speakers) to understand, at least, most of what's going on
10:20 < jim> other than that, you're welcome
10:31 < jim> noirx, notice how, when you installed the package, the -package scripts- started the sshd... probably exactly what you wanted, and what you will want... and, some folks don't like that it automatically starts
10:32 < jim> noirx, notice how, when you installed the package, the -package scripts- started the sshd... probably exactly what you wanted, and what you will want... and, some folks don't like that it automatically starts
10:33 < jim> debian devs try to set reasonable defaults, so it should be fine
10:33 < NoirX> i am trying to connect 2 linux servers but both pc's refuse connection
10:34 < NoirX> how to enable ssh
10:34 < jim> they still do?
10:34 < NoirX> yes
10:34 < jim> I thought you solved this :)
10:34 < NoirX> i installed successfully but didnt reboot
10:34 < pankaj> How have to run virtual machine. Unfortunately the size of partition is less so I cannot give enough space to it. I want to use resize2fsck which is easy for me. Unfortunately it is not available on my system and their is no procedure to install it.
10:34 < jim> it should start on reboot
10:35 < NoirX> i got it
10:35 < NoirX> brb reboot
10:35 < jim> the packaging will arrange for that
10:35 < NoirX> ok
10:35 < pankaj> Also using resize2fs demands that first I should resize the partition then extend the file system. But the partition table is not allowing me to increase its size.
10:36 < jim> pankaj, well think of it like this: what you have is a container in a container
10:37 < pankaj> jim: I have free space so that I can increase the current partition size. Can you please tell me the easiest way.
10:38 < jim> and if you want to make the whole thing larger, you have to make the outer container larger first, then make the inner container larger after that
10:39 < jim> with partitioins, it's a little harder because you have to worry about the partition that's next to it
10:39 < jim> if you have gparted, that might make it graphically evident
10:40 < jim> that could make it easier for you... but remember, if you move the bottom of the partition lower, it's going to have to copy the whole partition lower
10:41 < jim> that's why I like lvm, it makes this case easy
10:42 < jim> you just make the lv larger, then resize the filesystem inside (sometimes you do that at the same time, or at least it looks like that)
10:46 < NoirX> connected ssh both pcs, after reboot, trying scp
10:46 < Ruzzy> Is there anyway to reset my fedora 28 repositories to totally stock?
10:47 < Ruzzy> My google-fu only yielded disabling some
10:47 < autopsy> Ruzzy, sudo dnf reinstall fedora-repos
10:49 < jim> NoirX, oh, so it works now? :)
10:50 < jim> Ruzzy, I'm not sure, but I don't think there's only one version of "stock"
10:50 < bashprogfortysix> you should check out networking by alan hicks thats a good one he goes real in depth been meaning to get back to it lately not sure if he explains ipv 4-6 but probably :0
10:51 < jim> bashprogfortysix, you liked how he writes?
10:56 < Ruzzy> autopsy: jim looks like the install went fine but repolist still returns some results
10:56 < Ruzzy> should the changes be reflected already?
10:57 < autopsy> Ruzzy, you mean you have external repositories configured?
10:57 < Ruzzy> yes
10:57 < Ruzzy> I just want to blow away all the garbage I have ever added
10:57 < autopsy> Ruzzy, delete /etc/yum.repos.d/file.repo for the external repo or remove the repository RPM package with rpm -e packagename
10:58 < autopsy> Ruzzy, sudo dnf list *repo*
11:00 < quelqun_dautre> hi
11:00 < autopsy> Hi quelqun_dautre.
11:00 < quelqun_dautre> is the ftell libc function implemented as lseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) ?
11:01 < autopsy> jim yeah external repositories can come from packages installed. Like rpmfusion.
11:01 < quelqun_dautre> I can't find anything about a specific ftell syscall and that's the only way I could see it work
11:02 < Desu> you could read the source and see just how it is implemented
11:02 < quelqun_dautre> I'll look into that
11:03 < Ruzzy> autopsy: if I delete all of the yum.repos contents, will I still have the official fedora repo?
11:03 < Ruzzy> or be able to reinstall it as you described above?
11:04 < autopsy> Ruzzy, no you need fedora.repo
11:04 < Ruzzy> autopsy: just that one?
11:04 < autopsy> And fedora-updates.repo
11:04 < Ruzzy> ah
11:04 < Ruzzy> okay then
11:05 < autopsy> Then it will be stock minus the rawhide and updates-testing.
11:05 < Ruzzy> autopsy: stock normally has rawhide?
11:05 < autopsy> Ruzzy, YES BUT DISABLED BY DEFAULT.
11:07 < Ruzzy> if i keep fedora-updates-testing does that make it pretty much OOTB including keeping the rawhide option there?
11:08 < autopsy> Ruzzy, yes. There should be 4.
11:08 < autopsy> Or 3 maybe.
11:09 < Ruzzy> i only see three, it makes sense to me that there should also be a fedora-testing.repo but I don't see one
11:09 < Ruzzy> I could have accidentally removed. can you confirm that that exists?
11:10 < jim> isn't there source for libc call ftell()?
11:12 < lesshaste> I can't read read writing on a black background which gnome terminal insists it wants to show me. How can I change this?
11:12 < lesshaste> I can't read red writing on a black background which gnome terminal insists it wants to show me. How can I change this?
11:15 < morf> lesshaste: in preferences select different color scheme for the terminal
11:15 < jiggawattz> I just saw !! as a command listed in top
11:15 < jiggawattz> wtf is that
11:15 < jiggawattz> never saw that before
11:15 < jiggawattz> This is a production machine but I am going to kill it anyways
11:17 < teodorg> jiggawattz: well, first investigate what it is, then kill it
11:17 < lesshaste> morf, preferences for gnome terminal has four tabs. "General", "Shortcuts", "Profiles", "Encodings"
11:18 < lesshaste> morf, none of them seem to discuss color schemes
11:18 < morf> ne? what a lame software :)
11:18 < jiggawattz> teodorg: I don't know what it is though
11:18 < lesshaste> morf,  oh I see it under edit profile
11:18 < teodorg> jiggawattz: that is what I say. First investigate what it is, then do some actions on it.
11:18 < morf> i see ... what a lame user :))
11:18 < jiggawattz> teodorg: so what is it?
11:19 < lesshaste> morf,  :) But it's still not obvious what to do
11:19 < jiggawattz> google isn't telling me shit
11:19 < teodorg> jiggawattz: it is your server, smart pants. You investigate it.
11:19 < jiggawattz> yeah I am just going to kill it
11:19 < jiggawattz> fuck it
11:19 < jiggawattz> it's using 180% CPU
11:19 < jiggawattz> fucking useless probably
11:20 < michael2> Im trying to setup a syslinux menu,I've put vesamenu.c32 and libcom32.c32 in same dir. as ldlinux.sys and I keep getting "Failed to load libcom32.c32" and "failed to load vesamenu.c32"...
11:22 < teodorg> jiggawattz : could be a rootkit or something.
11:22 < jiggawattz> that's what I am thinking
11:22 < jiggawattz> it's not my server so I don't what happens
11:22 < jiggawattz> I don't care what happens
11:22 < teodorg> jiggawattz: ps ? pstree ??? see what it is actually
11:22 < jiggawattz> I'm authorized to work on it, but there are no consequences
11:22 < jiggawattz> yeah that's what I am looking at
11:22 < teodorg> what a nice excuse :)
11:26 < jim> wun pint tunty wun jiggawattz
11:27 < jiggawattz> w0000000000000000000000
11:27 < jim> jiggawattz, please watch the language too
11:27 < jiggawattz> ?
11:27 < jim> you did a fbomb a bit ago
11:27 < jiggawattz> jim: kindly grow some balls
11:28 < jiggawattz> jim: kupi means "Buy" in the imperative form in Russian
11:29 < jiggawattz> so kupi is clearly advocating prostitution.... is that not worthy of a reprimand?
11:29 < jiggawattz> it's a clear reference to "Kupi Menya" the hit movie that came out in Russia over the summer
11:30 < jim> no, has nothing to do with that...
11:30 < kupi> I didn't know that
11:30 < jiggawattz> that's what they all say
11:30 < kupi> but I am an anarcho-capitalist, so I am fine with that
11:31 < jiggawattz> see
11:31 < sieve> Hallo, on my laptop I have a tonne of different users for different clients. I use different users because each clients needs a different context; different cloud provider accounts etc. I want to keep a directory where all my repositories are cloned `/code` for example. I have a problem that using git can often cause problems because the .git folder is owned by a specific user. Is there a way of mounting a filesystem so each user sees 
11:31 < sieve> l the objects as belonging to them?
11:33 < jim> I'll be back... jiggawattz, please don't say the f-word here, someone would have to take action next time...
11:34 < jiggawattz> jim: I don't think advertisting prostitution should be acceptable here
11:34 < jiggawattz> Fantonaut: please fix your connection
11:46 < kupi> jiggawattz: what's wrong with prostitution?
11:46 < jiggawattz> what's wrong with f bombs?
11:47 < jiggawattz> jim seems to think the latter is inappropriate here, so I would imagine he thinks the former too
11:47 < kupi> jiggawattz: nothing lol
11:48 < jiggawattz> but I think kupi and I can agree on one thing
11:48 < jiggawattz> imposing one's moral beliefs on others is WRONG
11:48 < kupi> well it depends where you impose it
11:48 < kupi> on your property it's not a problem
11:49 < kupi> but anywhere else it is wrong
11:50 < dg_subrata> Memory content of a c++ program can be examined using gdb's "x/nfu addr" command where 'n' is an integer. But I want to get the value of 'n' from a c++ variable because size of memory region is not fixed. And I want to use this memory examine command within a gdb script because program execution is difficult to debug by hand. How to do this. Please help.
12:14 < jim> jiggawattz, let's deal with one problem at a time... all you have to do right now, is not say the f word -here-... elsewhere, deal with those who control that space... here and now, I do (and the other ops here). I'm not really personally offended by your use of the word, in some circles I frequent, the word is used... one of those, is ##linux-ops where there is not a language/profanity policy... now, that channel has other policies, such as a no-idle
12:14 < jim> policy... and the ##linux channel ops are opped there (and again, I'm one of those.) so as long as you're speaking to the ops about things that are affecting you on the channel, you can swear like a sailor, a pimp, a prostitute and a lawyer all combined... just not here
12:17 < ziggylaz1> wow... When you get weechat confed as you want, then its just fantastic
12:17 < jim> maybe you could try to understand our reasoning for each policy, then you'd be more prepared to argue about them (or, with your newfound understanding, you may decide to agree or at least not argue with the policies. the language policy on ##linux has been ongoing since before you came and will likely continue after you're gone (in whatever form that would take)
12:18 < konimex> so... how do you swear like a lawyer?
12:18 < ziggylaz1> subpena
12:18 < FManTropyx> I have forgotted how can ssh
12:18 < jim> I do solemly swear that I'm gonna tell you da stuffs
12:18 < ziggylaz1> FManTropyx: ssh -l ip
12:18 < jim> other questions? :)
12:20 < ziggylaz1> Yeah jim I had one. "I'm not to be IGNORED jimmy" - Fatal attraction ;)
12:21 < ziggylaz1> Thinking how to use my ZNC when I am now on a VPN
12:22 < jim> well no... you're free to ignore us... if you do that, you wouldn't get the warnings, so maybe it's unwise to ignore us, if what you want is to be welcomed here
12:22 < ziggylaz1> Maybe not all that linux related but somewhat is
12:22 < FManTropyx> yeah, I also forgot the command to irc
12:22 < ziggylaz1> jim: you didnt get the joke?
12:23 < jim> the other half of that, is if you do ignore me/us, you would have to know the channel policies
12:23  * JimBuntu distributing the joke amongst the Jim Collective...
12:23 < mouses> jim: the trolls are out in force tonight it seems :(
12:23 < ziggylaz1> There has to be a major missunderstanding here
12:23 < FManTropyx> hm, I wanted to maximize a windows, but instead it got closed
12:23 < FManTropyx> I refuse to accept that I would have misclicked like that!
12:24 < rascul> the mouse jumped
12:24 < rascul> clearly not a misclick
12:24 < FManTropyx> I need a cat to control it
12:24 < rascul> and a dog to control the cat
12:24 < mouses> or more mouses!
12:25 < rascul> i used to smash my mouse when i got angry at computer
12:25 < rascul> it helped that i had purchased 100 off ebay for a few bucks
12:25 < mouses> rascul: you gotta be careful when you have that many they are known to start reproducing
12:26 < rascul> they can't reproduce when they're smashed
12:26 < ziggylaz1> mouses: I have known jim a long time and I've been is this channel for a long time. Pleas stay out of it
12:27 < rpgio> oh YEAH? well my dad is bigger than your dad!!
12:27 < jim> and, (if you do ignore us), as long as you're following policy and also not tending to get into fights with folks and stuff like that, I'll leave you alone... having said that, I might want to speak to you while yo're ignoreing so I might have someone echo a message to you
12:27 < rascul> do it in a private message if you don't want the rest of the channel involved in your conversation
12:27 < ziggylaz1> jim: read my joke again. "I'm not to be ignored" Its a movie quote
12:28 < ziggylaz1> I never said that I would igonre anyone
12:28 < ziggylaz1> I appologize for my joke that seemed to landed wrong.
12:28 < jim> I think I never saw that movie
12:30 < ziggylaz1> Think shes boiling a bunny in it ...
12:30 < ziggylaz1> Anyways. Sorry
12:30 < rascul> my client can't even ignore people
12:30 < rascul> super advanced
12:30 < jim> don't worry too much, the only thing I see is a possible issue between yourself and mouses... also, the channel temp seems higher at the moment
12:30 < mouses> jim: no issues here, all is good :)
12:30 < rascul> oh did i miss a fight? :(
12:30 < ziggylaz1> No but I dont come out attacking people just like that and he did and why not just have some manners
12:30 < mouses> jim: trying to figure out why libinput seems to fail every other reboot on this system
12:31 < mouses> jim: so weird and random!
12:31 < jim> no, I'm trying to prevent them :)
12:31 < rascul> i can make fun of people, if that would help
12:31 < JimBuntu> I can too... we can be a small mob
12:32 < mouses> rabble rabble rabble!
12:32 < JimBuntu> DDoR - Distributed Denial of Respect
12:32 < jim> I don't think so :) wait, a smob?
12:32 < mouses> smolb?
12:32  * mouses thinks
12:32 < rascul> this talk about mobs and smobs makes me want to play some mud game
12:33 < jim> be sure to wear the newbie vest...
12:33 < ReScO> Hey folks
12:33 < jim> hi
12:33 < rascul> who are you calling a folks?
12:34 < jim> I would think being called hay would be worse
12:34 < JimBuntu> DDoR - Distributed Denial of Respect? Are you hakkin my cams?
12:34 < JimBuntu> what?! stupid KB
12:34 < rascul> we're past that now, JimBuntu
12:34 < rascul> we're talking about hay folk now
12:35 < JimBuntu> rascul, I know, so was I. I accidentally triggered an up arrow press
12:35 < rascul> please don't accidentally trigger up arrow presses in the future
12:35 < Sveta> what's hay folk
12:35 < Sveta> rascul: :3
12:35 < rascul> Sveta that's a good question to which i don't have an immediate answer
12:36 < jim> people who accidentally get bailed?
12:37 < rascul> i imagine it would suck to accidentally get bailed
12:37 < rascul> or, in another context, it would be pretty nice
12:38 < jim> well to fall into a hay bailer can't be very good for you
12:39 < hexnewbie> Secret to not accidentally triggering up arrow presses: Don't use KDE. :)
12:39 < rascul> getting bailed out of jail is probably good, though
12:39 < jim> getting bailed out of jail and into a hay bail, probably mixed
12:40 < rascul> that would probably make for an interesting story
12:41 < jim> hey, Am7/C just left!
12:43 < lednacho> Hi
12:44 < lednacho> Hello world
12:44 < jim> hi
12:45 < lednacho> I am new in this chat room
12:45 < lednacho> Sorry for my English
12:45 < lednacho> I from chile
12:45 < lednacho> Sudamerica
12:46 < jim> how's life in chile?
12:46 < lednacho> I am basic user linux
12:46 < jim> ok :)
12:47 < lednacho> Fine
12:47 < lednacho> Good people
12:47 < jim> is linux treating you well?
12:48 < lednacho> Grate nature
12:48 < jim> we like it...
12:48 < lednacho> Good
12:49 < jim> what do you like to do with linux?
12:49 < lednacho> Apache
12:49 < lednacho> Streaming
12:52 < jim> anyway, welcome to ##linux... stay as long as you like, hope you enjoy your stay
12:52 < ziggylaz1> lednacho: lednacho need any help?
12:52 < lednacho> Thanks
12:52 < lednacho> No thanks
12:53 < lednacho> Only say hello
12:55 < Sveta> hihi :-)
12:55 < jim> you've come to a pretty good community... mostly we talk about the user programs of linux, and not so much about the kernel
12:56 < lednacho> Ok
12:57 < jim> for kernel stuff, there's the #kernelnewbies channel on irc.oftc.net
12:59 < revel> There's also ##kernel
12:59 < phre4k> hi guys, I have a problem using mbsync: I set up a Channel to "push" mails onto my server but when I run it, I get "master INBOX/BTQ cannot be opened"
12:59 < FManTropyx> my format options are conflicting
13:00 < phre4k> how can I create the folders on master?
13:01 < phre4k> when I change Master/Slave I get store 'business-remote' does not support in-box sync state
13:05 < TheWild> hello
13:07 < jim> hi
13:10 < TheWild> I blamed the font rendering in terminal, but since it was only terminal (maybe?), I set the font to 'PxPlus IBM VGA9'. Now it looks like that old DOS screen.
13:11 < TheWild> I would like to make a screenshot, but the question is now how to make a screenshot on i3
13:12 < TheWild> "import -window root ss.png"? Nice, but how to get a window ID now?
13:12 < TheWild> Windows: Alt+PrtScr
13:12 < revel> scrot
13:12 < revel> I don't know if you can on i3, but you can easily add keybinds like that on xfce.
13:13 < phre4k> TheWild: try installing scrot
13:13 < TheWild> scrot unmaintained for 14 years, but hope it's just that good.
13:14 < revel> gnome-screenshot then.
13:14 < phre4k> xfce4-screenshooter then
13:15 < phre4k> TheWild: scrot isn't _really_ unmaintained: https://github.com/slabua/scrot
13:16 < TheWild> latest commit on Feb 16? Well, then wiki's article is unmaintained.
13:16 < TheWild> ah wait, that's a fork
13:16 < phre4k> argh mbsync sucks
13:17 < TheWild> anyway, the original was Aug 16, 2010. Wiki's article is unmainained then.
13:17 < TheWild> I'll give scrot a try later. Now trying gnome-screenshot.
13:17 < TheWild> ** Message: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11.
13:18 < TheWild> maybe it just doesn't work with i3
13:18 < phre4k> TheWild: try xfce4-screenshooter, I like it more than Gnome's because it has less dependencies IIRC
13:18 < revel> I get that message and it works regardless.
13:19 < revel> It's not saying it's not working, it's saying "you're not using GNOME, so I'll have to ignore all the fancy GNOME features you don't have"
13:20 < phre4k> goddammit this damn mbsync just hangs without an error message, even the verbose flag doesn't help
13:20 < phre4k> I want to hit the developer because I don't have time to fix this software right now but it's so infuriating
13:22 < TheWild> correction: gnome-screenshot works - saves to a file and prints the message. Just tried "gnome-screenshot -c" before and although it clears the text I left in clipboard, I can't paste it to pasteboard.co. Maybe they have something wrong.
13:28 < plexigras> does linux have some way to prioritize apps i want to have it so if an app freezes not the entire os freezes?
13:28 < phre4k> plexigras: it automatically does that, but you can use renice or htop to prioritize manually
13:30 < phre4k> plexigras: you can also use the auto nice daemon: http://and.sourceforge.net/
13:31 < phre4k> or "verynice"
13:31 < phre4k> or cgroups
13:31 < cnnx> if I wanna do a mirror copy of my win10 hdd can i just use dd if=/dev/sda ... ?
13:32 < cnnx> to another drive
13:32 < phre4k> plexigras: or https://github.com/Nefelim4ag/Ananicy
13:32 < phre4k> cnnx: does it contain data or the OS?
13:32 < cnnx> both
13:32 < phre4k> because if data you could just rsync, it's faster
13:33 < cnnx> rsync can be live
13:33 < cnnx> or unmounted?
13:33 < phre4k> cnnx: only liev
13:33 < phre4k> s/liev/live/
13:33 < plexigras> phre4k: this looks complicated
13:33 < cnnx> can it run on win10?
13:33 < phre4k> cnnx: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/disk_cloning
13:33 < cnnx> i thought rsync was linux only
13:33 < phre4k> cnnx: it can run on Windows 10, but you're in the ##linux channel.
13:33 < cnnx> yeah
13:34 < cnnx> ok ty
13:34 < phre4k> plexigras: it isn't, just install htop and run it as root to set the nice values of your processes to a lower (preferrably negative) value
13:34 < phre4k> it's just as complicated as in Windows ;)
13:34 < phre4k> cnnx: fwiw, there's a ##windows channel, but the people there are rude sometimes.
13:35 < phre4k> if you just want to image one time, pipe dd into xz, if you want to image multiple times consider a solid backup system
13:35 < plexigras> ok its the Ni or Nice value right?
13:36 < phre4k> plexigras: you can just press F7 to lower the nice value
13:36 < cnnx> i just want a quick way to restore my work computer running win10 in case of a failure
13:36 < cnnx> linux or windows i dont care
13:36 < phre4k> plexigras: but yes, IIRC it's "NI" abbreviated
13:36 < phre4k> cnnx: > full disk image, > quick → choose one
13:36 < phre4k> cnnx: consider CloneZilla
13:36 < cnnx> which os?
13:36 < cnnx> for clonezilla
13:36 < phre4k> also read the wiki article I linked, mentions some other versions
13:37 < phre4k> cnnx: CloneZilla is a live CD, but it's Linux
13:37 < plexigras> and if i have it at -1 or -100 doesn't make a difference when all other apps are 0 or above?
13:37 < cnnx> ok ty
13:43 < FManTropyx> Linux hates me: 2 * No such file or directory
13:45 < BCMM> FManTropyx: uh, any context to that? like, what did you type, for example?
13:45 < rascul> FManTropyx you have to treat your linux nicely and it won't hate you
13:45 < FManTropyx> right, that's probably the cause
13:46 < mouses> always maintain your shine to tux
13:46 < FManTropyx> well, I seem to have misplace an entire directory tree - has anyone seen it anywhere?
13:46 < mouses> and your linux will like you more
13:48 < BluesKaj> Howdy all
13:49 < FManTropyx> Name or service not known! I wonder how to make it known...
13:50 < FManTropyx> I am currently fighting with rsyncd version 3.1.1 (listening on port 873)
13:58 < phre4k> now I get the dovecot Error: imap(phre4k@example.com)<745><9v7IhLttUFMuBQBr>: Mailbox Archives/2012: Saving mail: save: read(<imap client>) failed: zlib.read(<imap client>): unexpected EOF at 50220787
13:58 < phre4k> what is this
14:13 < wyoung> .o/
14:14 < alexandre9099> hi, i got a netbook (with an atom processor, it is... slow), the disk is 1.8" and was always failing so i am now booting from an integrated SD card reader (i think that it is connected internally trough usb), is it possible to use the hdd activity led for the sd card reader activity?
14:14 < barteks2x> I used patch to apply some patches, but it involved a lot of copypasting the right filenames, because a lot of them changed. I forgot to use --merge option. Is there any way to convert rejections into what --merge would do?
14:16 < wyoung> alexandre9099: If you modify the bios / firmware of the chip responsible for controlling the LED, then yes.
14:17 < alexandre9099> wyoung, hmm, that is not software controlled?
14:17 < TheWild> If I was to ask what command line program to use to put stuff to or get stuff from clipboard, you would say xclip.
14:17 < TheWild> right?
14:17 < TheWild> import -window root png:- | xclip -selection clipboard -t image/png
14:18 < TheWild> but when I paste it into an application (e.g. Firefox), it thinks it's a text, not an image
14:18 < wyoung> alexandre9099: nope, lower level than that.
14:19 < alexandre9099> wyoung, how about the caps lock and num lock leds?
14:19 < alexandre9099> can i see which leds linux has controll?
14:21 < wyoung> alexandre9099: yup, there's a library for that
14:21 < alexandre9099> i'll try to find it, thanks :)
14:22 < wyoung> alexandre9099: and other libraries to access firmware / bios exposed led support
14:22 < wyoung> hdd leds usually aint one of them
14:44 < vim_user_19> hey guys arch user here! i switched from xfce4 to i3 and i'm using the xfce panel with it. now i want to remove xfce4 by pacman -Rs xfce4. the problem is, that it's not possible because of the panel i'm using. how can i delete all of the xfce components i'm not using?
14:45 < wyoung> Arch enemy?
14:47 < phogg> vim_user_19: You want to remove a package but you want afterwards to still be able to use one of the programs in that package?
14:48 < phogg> vim_user_19: you can't do that unless you create a broken mess. Don't try. Having the parts of the package you're not using on disk isn't going to do you any harm, except by consuming a tiny amount of disk space.
14:49 < vim_user_19> thanks phogg
14:50 < triceratux> lies
14:51 < triceratux> vim_user_19: you can install xfce4-panel standalone after you finish removing xfce4 in its entirety. it will bring back some dependencies but likely not all of xfce4
14:51 < wyoung> ?
14:52 < vim_user_19> yes that's what i was planning to do trivertaux.
14:54 < triceratux> vim_user_19: be careful with that tho, because when youre using i3 with xfce4-panel you may also be using xfce4 sessionmanagement & some other routines youre unaware of. worst case youll just have to reinstall xfce4 if it proves to be too broken
14:54 < FManTropyx> Permission denied!!!
14:55 < ayecee> this event will be logged
14:56 < vim_user_19> thanks for your help triceratux!
14:57 < FManTropyx> I hate permissions with a passion
14:58 < phogg> FManTropyx: may I recommend Windows 98?
14:58 < wyoung> FManTropyx: I love giving away information to other users that have access to the computer I am using.
14:58 < FManTropyx> how do I recursively set +x on directories but not on files?
14:58 < phogg> Or Mac OS 9? Cooperative multitasking included for no extra charge.
14:58 < ayecee> it's good to be passionate about something, i suppose
14:58 < ayecee> FManTropyx: chmod +X
14:58 < phogg> FManTropyx: find /dir/ -type d -exec chmod a+x {} +
14:58 < wyoung> FManTropyx: it sounds like you love that too
14:59 < FManTropyx> I am very fond of Windows Vista actually
14:59 < DildoSwaggins> lol
15:00 < DildoSwaggins> really? out of all of them, you prefer Vista?
15:00 < ayecee> it's what he grew up with
15:00 < DildoSwaggins> the one even MS admitted to being a pos
15:00 < FManTropyx> thank you, ayecee - looks like that helped!
15:01 < phogg> Vista is pretty awful, but apart from the defaults it's really not much different from win7.
15:01 < phogg> making them both pretty awful
15:01 < ayecee> closer to xp
15:01 < DildoSwaggins> nah, win7 is great
15:01 < Sitri> For double irony, that's the one where they tried to make everything actually use windows permissions properly
15:01 < phogg> the part I find consistently horrific is how bad Windows is at doing the OS basics: efficiently driving hardware.
15:01 < DildoSwaggins> that's when UAC came into play
15:01 < Bru-> morn
15:01 < DildoSwaggins> after XP got beatdown w/ worms and viruses
15:02 < phogg> DildoSwaggins: UAC is still there in 7, it's only the defaults that changed
15:02 < DildoSwaggins> i know
15:02 < Bru-> hows everyone this fine sunday>
15:02 < phogg> DildoSwaggins: so if you could be bothered to write your own policy you could have set vista to be just like 7 in that regard. The OS itself is not better or worse because of UAC.
15:02 < Bru-> feeling proud of myself so far
15:02 < DildoSwaggins> Bru-, good morning. I cannot complain, it's a fine day.
15:02 < wasutton3> anyone got a sneaky trick to getting files on and off a network connected linux machine that doesn't have ssh/rsync/scp?
15:03 < Bru-> installed ubuntu server on my home box and have completely resisted the urge to install a GUI this far
15:03 < phogg> wasutton3: do you have netcat?
15:03 < wasutton3> that also doesn't involve sneakernet?
15:03 < DildoSwaggins> wasutton3, you still have FTP/TFTP/RCP
15:03 < phogg> wasutton3: how about uucp?
15:03 < wasutton3> negative phogg
15:04 < wasutton3> i do not have tftp
15:04 < phogg> wasutton3: GCC? Perl? Python? You can write a trivial transfer program.
15:04 < Sitri> Bash has built in networking
15:04 < phogg> technically you could do this with bash, too https://github.com/avleen/bashttpd
15:04 < DildoSwaggins> wasutton3, does the networked connected linux machine have a webserver? if so, just cp the file to an accessible path and download it locally
15:04 < Bru-> what's everyones favorite desktop distro?
15:04 < phogg> except I guess even that uses netcat
15:05 < Bru-> and GUI
15:05 < phogg> Bru-: try ##polls
15:05 < DildoSwaggins> OpenSUSE with Mate
15:05 < Bru-> i have mint with chocolate on one of my toughbooks and enjoy it so far but trying to branch out
15:05 < Bru-> thanks guys
15:05 < Bru-> (and gals)
15:06 < phogg> My favorite desktop distribution is Debian and my favorite GUI is X11.
15:06 < triceratux> mx-17 xfce, lubuntu 18.10 lxqt
15:07 < pnbeast> wasutton3, IIRC, the standard solution is NFS!
15:07 < pnbeast> It's even in the name.
15:08 < phogg> that's a good point... you can act as an NFS client without installing anything extra
15:08 < Sitri> wasutton3: cat file > /dev/tcp/HOST/PORT
15:08 < Sitri> Have netcat or something running elsewhere
15:08 < wasutton3> nope on all three fronts
15:08 < wasutton3> its a stripped down chinese DVR
15:09 < Sitri> So busybox and no bash?  Blegh.
15:09 < wasutton3> yea appears that way
15:09 < wasutton3> i've got sh
15:09 < DildoSwaggins> baSH
15:10 < mouses> phogg: I'm running "Gallium OS" - perfect Ubuntu 16.04 for the chromebook
15:10 < mouses> got that running with xfce4 and i3 TWM
15:10 < wasutton3> DildoSwaggins, yea, its just /bin/sh, not /bin/bash
15:11 < phogg> wasutton3: echo $BASH_VERSION # it could still be bash
15:11 < autopsy> Busybox is cool though.
15:11 < phogg> pretty likely busybox, though
15:11 < wasutton3> mmmmm null
15:12 < Sitri> wasutton3: busybox has an httpd
15:12 < wasutton3> im almost 100% sure its busybox
15:12 < wasutton3> i know it does, the device has an http interface
15:12 < Sitri> Ah, you want to put stuff on there too
15:13 < wasutton3> my end goal is to find out where the camera streams are and pipe them to a zoneminder install
15:13 < Sitri> Well it also has an inetd, which you should be able to use with a shell script to make a ghetto file server
15:16 < autopsy> Busybox is full o goodies.
15:17 < wasutton3> Sitri, looks like this version doesn't
15:17 < DildoSwaggins> yes, but depends which of those goodies you compiled it with
15:17 < wasutton3> well, i didnt compile it
15:17 < DildoSwaggins> i know that
15:17 < wasutton3> some dude in china compiled it sometime in 2010
15:18 < DildoSwaggins> just saying that even though Busybox has a lot of goodies, it ultimately comes down to what goodies were baked into the device you're working on
15:18 < Sitri> Are you checking that by looking for the symlink or asking the busybox binary itself?
15:19 < wasutton3> im cd'ing around the filesystem and seeing what i can see
15:20 < pingfloyd> some dude in china compile it it for you?
15:20 < DildoSwaggins> chinese manufactured DVR
15:21 < wasutton3> yea. cheap'n'shitty. the way they still make them
15:21 < pingfloyd> he probably put in some backdoors
15:23 < wasutton3> probably
15:23 < wasutton3> just a matter of finding out what he did
15:23 < Sitri> Do you have udpsvd?
15:23 < Sitri> Or even telnet?
15:24 < wasutton3> i have telnet
15:24 < TheWild> whew, it was a pain to configure. Here's the screenshot I wanted to post earlier, but pointed out I didn't know how to make a screenshot.
15:24 < TheWild> https://pasteboard.co/Hobypsu.png
15:24 < wasutton3> Sitri, thats how im remotely accessing it
15:24 < mouses> TheWild: I love mc :)
15:24 < TheWild> and this is my ~/.config/i3/config: http://termbin.com/ka6b
15:24 < wasutton3> i DO have the webui, which might get me to where I need to be anyways
15:25 < mouses> TheWild: oooo and i3 :)
15:25 < mouses> TheWild: <3 i3, i'm using the i3-gaps build
15:26 < TheWild> heh, I didn't believe I could get used to tiling WM until I tried it
15:26 < mouses> TheWild: once you get used to it you never want to use anything else
15:26 < TheWild> true
15:26 < mouses> TheWild: I love how little I have to even use the touchpad on this laptop now
15:26 < DildoSwaggins> how does i3 vary from tmux?
15:27 < Sitri> You could use telnet to possibly get files on and off of it, it'd require a bit of scripting on the other side though.
15:27 < TheWild> hope vim has it too, because from the point of a newbie (used to "sane" text editors) it doesn't look charming
15:27 < DildoSwaggins> just curious, is it personal preference which to use or is there a profound difference amongst the 2?
15:27 < Sitri> DildoSwaggins: they're entirely different classes of software.
15:27 < DildoSwaggins> hmmm
15:27 < TheWild> tmux is purely text mode
15:27 < Sitri> i3 is a WM
15:28 < DildoSwaggins> perhaps I should check out i3 too
15:28 < wasutton3> Sitri, i've got access to whatever on the other side
15:28 < mouses> DildoSwaggins: I really love it - it's very clean
15:30 < mouses> DildoSwaggins: my config looks a little like this - I really like it.  https://imgur.com/a/eYZpDJR
15:30 < wasutton3> looks like theres javascript on there
15:30 < mouses> love that bottle menu bar
15:30 < mouses> and whisker menu = really nice
15:30 < wasutton3> might be able to make a ghetto JS file manager
15:31 < pankaj> Is their any faster way to get only size of directory listed rather then using 'du -sh Directory_Name'?
15:31 < DildoSwaggins> i like what i see as well
15:31 < funksh0n> Good afternoon.
15:32 < BCMM> pankaj: directory size actually *does* take time to calculate
15:33 < DildoSwaggins> indeed
15:33 < pankaj> BCMM: I was just wondering about windows that (i think may be) it did not delay that information.
15:33 < BCMM> pankaj: i.e. the filesystem doesn't "know" how big a directory is - you actually do have to check each individual file and add up the results. whatever software you use, the time taken to get the size of a directory will depend on how many files are in there
15:33 < DildoSwaggins> big difference between 5 files in a directory w/ 5m
15:33 < BCMM> pankaj: yes it does
15:33 < DildoSwaggins> pankaj, probably because it's cached
15:33 < BCMM> pankaj: you were probably just looking at a smaller directory on windows
15:34 < djph> BCMM: more likely cached.  I remember looking at (uncached) dirs, and just having to let it sit and spin.
15:34 < pankaj> BCMM: If you are sure that they both have no difference on this basis then I absolutely agree with you.
15:34 < BCMM> pankaj: i have definitely experienced waiting for the properties dialog in explorer to show folder size
15:34 < phogg> pankaj: in Windows you get a size of a directory tree by opening the properties dialog. When you do it begins running the equivalent of that du command and you can see the "size" in the property dialog count up as you wait.
15:35 < phogg> pankaj: in some cases, for shallow directory trees, the calculation happens faster than the properties dialog can be shown.
15:35 < pankaj> phogg: Right indeed.
15:36 < phogg> pankaj: you can see a similar effect in Linux file managers e.g. Dolphin behaves the same way
15:38 < BCMM> pankaj: btw, if you have a bunch of different directories to check the size of, like if you're trying to free up space or something, look at dirstat-style programs
15:38 < phogg> k4dirstat is the best
15:40 < pankaj> phogg: Some days back I used 'resize2fsck' tool to resize partition. But since it is not on my newer destro I have to use 'resize2fs' partition. I noticed that both of them have same but wors reverse the way.
15:40 < funksh0n> How does one connect to two networks?
15:40 < phogg> pankaj: I cannot understand your second sentence
15:40 < phogg> funksh0n: a bridge
15:41 < phogg> funksh0n: your question is pretty broad, though, so it's hard to know what information you really need
15:41 < funksh0n> I've got a wireless router that connects to the internet and is used by others, and another wireless router that is just connected to a pi.  I don't mind if the pi network stays isolated from the net but I want to be able to talk to it.
15:41 < pankaj> phogg: Like with 'resize2fsck' I first increased filesystem size and then the partition size but with resize2fs I have to first increase partition size and then file system size. It is written in man page of 'resize2fs'
15:41 < phogg> pankaj: Okay. So?
15:41 < funksh0n> I want to be connected to both at the same time.
15:42 < funksh0n> I can use ethernet for the pi network.
15:42 < phogg> pankaj: First of all you should always increase the partition size first. I can't imagine there's a way it could work otherwise.
15:42 < djph> funksh0n: that's not how networks work.  However, you MAY be able to set up "router2" to not do all the routing / DHCP / etc. stuff, so it just behaves as a switch.
15:43 < djph> Otherwise, you'll need to go through the NAT on it's "WAN" side.
15:43 < phogg> funksh0n: this is better asked in ##networking, but you can achieve that by having a box which sits on both networks and acts as a gateway and configure clients who need access to that IP range to route through it
15:43 < djph> alternately, scrap both soho routers, and get something that'll let you set up multiple networks directly on it.
15:43 < phogg> ^ that
15:43 < phogg> easiest solution really
15:44 < pankaj> phogg: OK. I surely know that some days ago I resized filesystem and then partition with 'resize2fsck'. May be it supported it.
15:44 < phogg> pankaj: I've never heard of that program but let me ask you this: How does it know the area beyond the filesystem's current partition boundary doesn't have data from another partition in it?
15:45 < pankaj> phogg: But the reason I was asking is that while using 'resize2fs' I thought to use cfdisk utility to resize the partition but when I increased the size of that partition it said that it cannot increase it as it was higher then maximum.
15:45 < funksh0n> So I cannot simply connect to different networks with different NICs?
15:47 < phogg> funksh0n: you can
15:49 < wasutton3> awwwww yeaaaaa i've got nfs
15:49 < phogg> funksh0n: if you have host A with two network devices then you can connect each to a different network, provided the networks do not use overlapping IP ranges. You configure your default gateway to point to the one which can reach the internet.
15:49 < phogg> wasutton3: Nice. What did you need to do to make that work?
15:49 < nekoseam> Hello :)
15:49 < wasutton3> apparantly nfs is there, i just had to create a mountpoint somewhere writable
15:49 < wasutton3> in this case in /dev
15:50 < phogg> wasutton3: heh, nice. You could probably have used /tmp, too
15:50 < wasutton3> phogg, nope, i tried that
15:50 < phogg> a non-writable /tmp? that's weird
15:51 < DildoSwaggins> wasutton3, just remember that w/e you do on the device will not persist after it reboots
15:51 < wasutton3> theres no /tmp to write to
15:51 < wasutton3> DildoSwaggins, oh i know
15:52 < wasutton3> i think my attack is gonna be to reverse out how the javascript gets the data from the framebuffer, then snag it that way
15:52 < phogg> wasutton3: good luck
15:53 < wasutton3> phogg, yea... should be fun...
15:53 < pankaj> phogg: Or the procedure I am using for resizing partition is wrong? Need some advice. I may be wrong.
15:55 < funksh0n> Whoops I got disconnected ;)
15:56 < phogg> pankaj: You need to have space at the end of the partition you want to resize which is not allocated to any other partition. Then you can resize with cfdisk. If you need to resize to the left (space in front) you probably want to use parted.
15:56 < phogg> pankaj: if the space at the end is allocated to another partition you need to move that one first, or delete it.
15:58 < solidfox> I thought a reboot would help, but my japanese input still don't work
15:58 < solidfox> since yesterday
15:59 < solidfox> (I swear I remember this being easier in college)
15:59 < solidfox> (but then again I was using chinese input then, not japanese)
15:59 < solidfox> I'm using kubuntu 18.04 is there a step-by-step guide?
16:01 < phogg> solidfox: which input method are you using?
16:02 < solidfox> phogg, not sure
16:02 < solidfox> phogg, I think I installed mozc
16:02 < funksh0n> It seems I can connect to both networks.  I use wifi-menu to connect to the internet router, then plugin ethernet and start dhcpcd, and I'm connected to both.  For some reason firefox can talk to the net but other programs cannot.
16:02 < wasutton3> alright time for a new error
16:02 < solidfox> just gonna throw some more guesses: ibus, fcitx?
16:02 < wasutton3> nfs won't mount. "failed, reason given by server: Permission denied"
16:02 < solidfox> phogg, is it one of them?
16:02 < phogg> solidfox: you have to know which you're using since configuring them is all different
16:02 < wasutton3> the export file has it as 0.0.0.0/0, so any ip can mount it
16:03 < phogg> funksh0n: what wifi menu? What does route -n show?
16:03 < solidfox> phogg, oh they're 3 different methods. dang. why do I have them all then? strange.
16:03 < phogg> solidfox: probably pulled in as recommended deps for different programs
16:04 < solidfox> phogg, I'm set to ibus currently.
16:04 < solidfox> phogg, fcitx is an option
16:04 < phogg> solidfox: I don't actually use any IME (nor have I ever), so I probably can't help directly.
16:04 < phogg> I can't recommend any specifically
16:04 < solidfox> phogg, ok I'm gonna try it and see what happens
16:05 < chunkyhead> Hey guys, probably a noob question.. but I want to be able to ssh with variables. eg. ssh server1.. rather than typing ssh user@123.123.123.123. got any leads?
16:06 < solidfox> phogg, the ibus preferences window shows english japanese and russian, so I'm gonna switch "Input method" back to ibus
16:06 < revel> chunkyhead: `man ssh_config`
16:06 < solidfox> (fcitx did nothing)
16:06 < chunkyhead> revel: what am i looking for in there? is there a term?
16:06 < chunkyhead> that i am missing
16:07 < funksh0n> phogg: wifi-menu is a cli tool for netctl.  route -n shows the addresses for both networks https://ptpb.pw/wFpN
16:07 < solidfox> phogg, really a lot of guess work
16:07 < solidfox> on my part I mean
16:07 < phogg> solidfox: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fcitx suggests that you need some sub-modules to make japanese work for fcitx
16:07 < funksh0n> I couldn't connect to freenode while connected to both though
16:07 < phogg> funksh0n: wtf is netctl?
16:07 < DildoSwaggins> chunkyhead, just define the servers in your /etc/hosts
16:08 < DildoSwaggins> server1 123.123.123.123
16:08 < DildoSwaggins> and then you can do ssh user@server1
16:08 < revel> chunkyhead: It'd be something like "Host server1\n User user\n HostName 123.123.123.123" in the ssh config file.
16:08 < funksh0n> Maybe Arch Linux specific?  It's a network profile manager.
16:08 < phogg> funksh0n: you have two defaults
16:09 < annihilator> Qemu with GPU passthrough how do I use it? Like do I need to plug a monitor into that card or do I just dual screen the main
16:09 < annihilator> The main gpu
16:10 < funksh0n> So I just need to configure one to be the default gateway?
16:10 < solidfox> brb
16:10 < solidfox> whoops
16:10 < solidfox> I'll be right back.
16:10 < phogg> funksh0n: Yes. The default gateway should be the one that can get to the internet. Packets destined for any network for which there is not a direct connection in your routing table will go to the default gw
16:11 < nekoseam> say cheese
16:14 < solidfox> phogg, idk what I did. but it works now. ありがとう！
16:16 < funksh0n> phogg: so something like `route del default gateway 192.168.0.1 enp0s25` as that is the router that does not provide internet?
16:16 < TwistedFate> Hello all, how can I connect/mount my android phone via terminal?
16:17 < TwistedFate> I don't have a GUI file manager and I connected my phone over USB but I don't know how to access it..
16:17 < phogg> funksh0n: I really don't recall. I do my setup via Debian's /etc/network/interfaces file and don't have route usage memorized. Incidentally you're supposed to use the 'ip' command these days.
16:17 < funksh0n> TwistedFate: Media Transfer Protocol?
16:18 < funksh0n> phogg: The ip command as opposed to?
16:18 < phogg> funksh0n: route
16:18 < phogg> or ifconfig
16:19 < phogg> TwistedFate: I use jmtpfs
16:19 < phogg> TwistedFate: once you've mounted it you can browse with your favorite file manager
16:19 < TwistedFate> phogg: could you please go into more detail? I'm quite clueless on this matter :(
16:19 < TwistedFate> phogg: I am using ranger (cli)
16:20 < phogg> TwistedFate: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Media_Transfer_Protocol
16:21 < phogg> TwistedFate: also try https://wiki.debian.org/mtp which is a bit more step by step
16:21 < funksh0n> Well that seems to have worked, thank you for the pointers phogg.
16:25 < brutser> hi, i cannot get sound with kvm, i tried asking on that channel #kvm, but nobody there, perhaps someone here can help me?
16:28 < Desu> more info required
16:29 < phogg> Need more info? Look in /usr/share/info/
16:31 < brutser> Desu: i got centos 7 on both guest and host - only when i use ac97 i can see the virtualization in my pulseaudio, but no sound - i tried redirecting my usb headset to the guest, it works, but no sound available
16:32 < chunkyhead> !test
16:33 < Desu> you haven't even said which frontend you are using
16:33 < Desu> nor sound driver etc
16:33 < Desu> sound config*
16:33 < brutser> "centos on both guest and host"
16:34 < Desu> that doesn't tell much though
16:34 < Desu> it could still be qemu, libvirt, vbox etc etc etc
16:35 < brutser> the qemu is a libvirt driver no?
16:35 < brutser> anyway, qemu
16:35 < brutser> slash
16:35 < brutser> libvirt
16:35 < brutser> :)
16:36 < TwistedFate> phogg: can i use jmtpfs as an user?
16:37 < brutser> Desu: driver hda_intel
16:39 < brunch875> Hi, I'm used to wrapping up game servers as systemd services and then launching them. But this particular one launches interactively, outputting to stdout events and expecting commands from stdin
16:40 < brunch875> ...is there a correct way to handle this?
16:40 < Desu> wrap in tmux
16:40 < brunch875> yeah that's what I thought, throwing a tmux/screen instance
16:40 < Desu> or screen if you swing that way
16:40 < brunch875> it just feels... dirty
16:40 < Desu> it is the least dirty way to do it
16:40 < Desu> good enough for linode rescue console
16:41 < brunch875> well, to be honest it's quite nice to be able to interact with the instance
16:41 < Desu> would be nicer if they had the console seperately
16:42 < brunch875> how would that be? Like a separate application to interact with the service?
16:43 < Desu> brunch875: could even be the same binary, but a seperate one is common
16:43 < brunch875> yeah, that definitely makes sense
16:44 < brunch875> also, I've never used screen nor tmux before
16:44 < Desu> there are software that does it both ways
16:44 < brunch875> is this another instance of "vim vs emacs"?
16:44 < Desu> yes and no
16:44 < Desu> unless you need the exotic features of screen, you generally want tmux
16:45 < brunch875> the smaller and more scriptable, the better
16:45 < brunch875> at least for me
16:46 < brutser> Desu: you're looking up solutions?
16:52 < brutser> Desu: if you need any more info, let me know, i am also still looking around
17:00 < brunch875> huh tmux was easier to use than I thought
17:00 < brunch875> thanks Desu
17:16 < widp> How do I know my usb 3.0 ports are working well?
17:16 < GunqqerFriithian> plug something that can utilize 3.0 into it
17:16 < GunqqerFriithian> 3.0 data transfer is faster than 2.0
17:16 < superkuh> Something demanding, like one of those USB3 data pump VGA output dongles.
17:17 < widp> Thet's the thing.
17:17 < widp> It's not working, but it shows up in lsusb.
17:17 < brutser> Desu: you found anything so far?
17:17 < widp> the drivers seem to be installed too.
17:17 < GunqqerFriithian> you've restarting your comp, yes?
17:17 < widp> yes
17:18 < GunqqerFriithian> plasmashell sure likes to crash when installed on ubuntu 16.04 :\
17:37 < brutser> Desu: are you still around?
17:46 < BCMM> widp: does your usb3 gadget definitely work?
17:47 < widp> yup
17:47 < widp> It works on the usb 2.0 port
17:47 < BCMM> widp: do you see anything in dmesg when you plug the device in?
17:49 < widp> I get two errors
17:49 < widp> something related to "drm intel"
17:50 < vfw>   widp It is a thumb drive?
17:50 < widp> no a keyboard.
17:50 < vfw> Oh, ok.
17:50 < widp> a thumb drive doesn't work either.
17:51 < vfw> widp: So it might be a hardware issue?
17:51 < widp> yeah, most likely.
17:51 < widp> I am just wondering what it could be.
17:52 < vfw> widp: you might try with live USB or CD of some sort, maybe even from different distro and different kernel.
17:53 < widp> I tried it with windows
17:53 < widp> same result
17:53 < f-a> is there any risk in `rm /var/log/syslog` ?
17:55 < kurahaupo> f-a: yes, you may run out of disk space
17:56 < kurahaupo> Removing a file to save space doesn't do what you think it does
17:56 < f-a> kurahaupo: well then, I got a 20g syslog file, what to do?
17:57 < kurahaupo> f-a: make sure logrotate is installed and running
17:57 < d0nde> @f-a: did you tail it to see why it's so big?
17:58 < d0nde> unless maybe it's been up for a while
17:59 < f-a> d0nde: yes
17:59 < d0nde> kurahaupo method is the answer
18:00 < d0nde> logrotate
18:00 < d0nde> https://linux.die.net/man/8/logrotate
18:00 < nekoseam> I haven't slept in 2 days
18:00 < nekoseam> :D
18:01 < rpgio> go to sleep young man
18:01 < nekoseam> UwU no
18:01 < f-a> thanks d0nde
18:05 < HappyHobo> I made a huge mistake.
18:05 < bomb> tell me
18:07 < HappyHobo> I bought a broadcom 43*** card because it worked right out of the box with ancient butt Chalet on this old Dell 2120.  I went to do a live run with Antergos and it couldn't find the card.  I just bought a 43228 card for my other unit.
18:07 < phogg> buying broadcom? On purpose?
18:07 < HappyHobo> You can't  install antergos without wireless
18:08 < dgurney> that's just nonsense... it should be able to just use ethernet, right?
18:08 < dgurney> and yes, buying broadcom for linux is a terrible idea, period
18:08 < dgurney> at least the 43xx anyway
18:08 < HappyHobo> but it worked out of the box with an ancient linux dgurney  I don't have access to ethernet.
18:09 < HappyHobo> Why did it work with Chalet that Moses used to plan his journey and not Antergos?
18:10 < phogg> HappyHobo: you don't need *wireless* you just need some kind of internet connection
18:10 < dgurney> worked with ancient linux doesn't mean it will work forever
18:10 < phogg> HappyHobo: could be a lot of reasons
18:10 < phogg> from as simple as an older kernel happening to autodetect and or load with different settings differently
18:10 < dgurney> more than likely the old linux had the right blob for it to work
18:11 < phogg> yeah, or that old distro did something like bundle a proprietary blob your new one does not
18:11 < phogg> which is far more likely
18:11 < HappyHobo> phogg my internet coimes from my neighbor brb
18:11 < phogg> HappyHobo: So? You only need wireless if your computer has no ethernet ports AND no USB ports
18:12 < phogg> for 5USD you can get a usb<->ethernet dongle
18:13 < dgurney> personally I'd recommend buying Intel or Atheros wireless cards in the future, assuming they're allowed by the whitelist (or the whitelist can be modded away)
18:13 < phogg> I always recommend Intel. Linux? Buy Intel. Other things may work, Intel definitely will.
18:14 < dgurney> indeed, but Atheros is also pretty good, at least ones that use the ath9k driver, no experience with newer stuff
18:15 < phogg> I've had more mixed experience with Atheros. Still, it's about a million times better than anything broadcom.
18:15 < HappyHobo> but this one worked
18:15 < dgurney> indeed, I think broadcom is only good for either Windows or macOS
18:16 < dgurney> there's probably something you can do to get it working again, but the best option is to buy something that just works
18:16 < phogg> HappyHobo: You might be able to make it work again with the right firmware blob. More details are needed.
18:16 < phogg> HappyHobo: next time, though, avoid broadcom. Now you know.
18:16 < HappyHobo> stupid stupid stupid me
18:17 < HappyHobo> This was then now is different
18:18 < HappyHobo> Think you guys could help once I get the card and get it installed it is coming by New Egg
18:18 < dgurney> maybe, and btw there's no space in Newegg
18:19 < HappyHobo> I can bounce back and forth between this unit and the other unit
18:23 < HappyHobo> antergos has something called bcmcutter but to get to that you have to have antergos installed.
18:25 < HappyHobo> phogg:   I hate linux somedays.
18:26 < HappyHobo> It would be nice if all linuxes worked right out of the box with everything but that's simply a fantasy.
18:26 < HappyHobo> Maybe one day there will be this mega linux that works with everything from 1990 up, everything.
18:26 < dgurney> there won't
18:27 < dgurney> that isn't possible with any OS
18:27 < HappyHobo> it's close with windows
18:27 < HappyHobo> but I hate windows
18:27 < DildoSwaggins> that closes a lot of doors
18:27 < dgurney> oh, like all the cool kids eh?
18:28 < dgurney> and well, even with Windows, it only goes so far... if an internal change is made that breaks a driver, and the maker doesn't care, you're out of luck
18:29 < Desu> the linux kernel does work on hardware from 1990 and 2018
18:30 < Desu> so, that already exists.....
18:30 < dgurney> it does, but how well? "just runs" isn't a very good measurement
18:31 < DildoSwaggins> lol
18:31 < HappyHobo> The forced shutdown automatic installs, the blue screens of death with the older one, the slow downs, the inability to stay up for more than few days without bogging and choking on portions that we're running before.  Linux will always be better than windows even when it royally fucks up by having a driver in a 2 year old linux and not in a cuttng edge, still that's just fucked.  I popped my antergos stick in and started this unit and it didn[t ha
18:32 < Desu> not i386 though, the kernel dropped support for those a few years ago
18:32 < Desu> but some of the power hardware etc is still supported
18:33 < HappyHobo> Maybe juggling units, researching and getting y'all's help I can get my new card working in that unti while working on this unit then do vice versa.
18:34 < dgurney> I think uptime issues were mainly a thing on older releases, with modern ones I've had uptimes measured in weeks with no issues
18:34 < dgurney> ofc you don't really want to keep machines up for too long anyway, but still
18:34 < HappyHobo> Think we can do it?
18:36 < HappyHobo> bcm_phy_lib?
18:37 < HappyHobo> brb
18:42 < pfred1> sl is github going to sell out to Microsoft?
18:42 < pfred1> so even
18:42  * triceratux doesnt comment on rumors
18:45 < Desu> yes and it will soon require an outlook account, and the editor will be replaced with office365
18:46 < Desu> totally legit, I read it on reddit
18:50 < alexandre9099> hi, i got a tplink router that i'm trying to ssh into, but i'm getting "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0 shell request failed on channel 0" can i do something about this?
18:52 < BluesKaj> alexandre9099, is this router remote ?
18:52 < ayecee> try with -T
18:52 < alexandre9099> BluesKaj, what you mean by "remote"?
18:53 < BluesKaj> alexandre9099, not on your local network
18:54 < alexandre9099> kinda, now i'm on the network trough openvpn ;)
18:54 < alexandre9099> ayecee, nope "shell request failed on channel 0"
18:56 < d0nde> is port 22 opened on the router's management app?
18:56 < nQk> Hello, I'm trying to install tesseract-ocr on Amazon Linux. I'm getting tesseract-ocr Error: Package: leptonica-1.76.0-2.1.x86_64 (download.opensuse.org_repositories_home_Alexander_Pozdnyakov_ScientificLinux_7_)            Requires: libpng15.so.15()(64bit) . What should I do?
18:57 < ikonia> it means it can't get a depedency
18:57 < alexandre9099> d0nde, it is opened in the sense that i can connect to it using ssh, but i don't see any reference to it on the web interface
18:57 < ikonia> does the suse repo host packages for amazon linux
18:57 < ayecee> probably not
18:57 < bls> nQk: are you tring to mix repositories from different distros? if so, that's probably not going to work
18:57 < ayecee> you're going to have a bad time
18:58 < nQk> I thought amazon linux is based on CentOS
18:58 < nQk> usually centos repos work
18:58 < ayecee> mostly
18:58 < bls> so? that doesn't mean scientific linux or opensuse repos will
18:58 < ikonia> nQk: centos is no susse
18:58 < bls> and you shouldn't depend on centos working on amazon
18:59 < ikonia> nQk: you wouldn't install suse packages on centos, so why would you install suse packages on an OS based off centos
18:59 < d0nde> @alexandre9099: have you tried SSH via the Tether 2.0 app?
18:59 < nQk> I'm doing what he explains at https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tesseract/wiki at "CentOS 7"
18:59 < twainwek> i'm trying to install vbox addition and it's failing with 'KERN_DIR does not point to a directory'.... but it's pointing to /usr//src/kernels/<uname -r>.... any ideas
18:59 < alexandre9099> d0nde, don't even know what that is :D i'll search
19:00 < nQk> I followed the instructions for CentOS, not SUSE
19:00 < bls> nQk: so? none of those instructions are for centos
19:00 < bls> err for amazon linux
19:00 < alexandre9099> d0nde, the idea was to actually ssh into the system, i read somewhere that those ran a modified version of openwrt
19:00 < triceratux> nQk: you could always install libpng15 & continue barreling forward
19:01 < nQk> triceratux: Yes... how? :)
19:01 < ikonia> ha ha ha
19:01 < ikonia> "yes how"
19:01 < ikonia> barrelling forward "sounds good, yes how"
19:01 < bls> welcome to the world of "don't care about maintainability, just need this to kind of work right now" haha
19:03 < nQk> is there any way to resolve all these dependencies automatically?
19:03 < ikonia> nQk: lets step back
19:03 < ikonia> why are you doing this on amazon linux
19:04 < d0nde> @alexandre9099: are you able to use 'ssh user@host "/bin/bash -i" to login?
19:04 < ikonia> if the packages you want are not on amazon linux
19:05 < bls> that's the thing, the distro should already have these packages made with the correct dependencies for that distro. this is why taking packages twice removed from the distro you're actually using doesn't work. the distro provides different versions of the dependencies than are required
19:05 < alexandre9099> d0nde, exec request failed on channel 0
19:06 < nQk> ikonia: huh?
19:06 < bls> your choices are to package the software correctly yourself, or use a distro that already has a working package or repository for it
19:06 < ikonia> nQk: why are you doing this work on amazon linux
19:06 < ikonia> nQk: why not use a distro that actually has the correct packages
19:07 < nQk> ikonia: I would have to completely re-setup the whole webservice. just wanted to try OCR...
19:07 < nQk> but yes, it seems ubuntu would make life easier
19:08 < ikonia> why would you have to re-setup the whole web service
19:08 < ikonia> just host that one part on an OS that supports it
19:08 < bls> if you're just wanting to play around with a package, use a distro that actually supports it
19:08 < alexandre9099> d0nde, does that mean that i *can't* login?
19:11 < bls> and if this is your production web service, you've likely broken things or will break them the first time you try to update/upgrade
19:11 < nQk> bls: the first time after what?
19:17 < nQk> sorry for not googling. Will try https://gist.github.com/IaroslavR/834066ba4c0e25a27078
19:17 < ikonia> ....or you could try doing it properly
19:19 < bls> no need to apologize to us, it's just something people unhelpfully tell others to do in guides like that that end up breaking people's systems
19:20 < nQk> haha
19:20 < HappyHobo> Well I contacted newegg and we cancelled the broadcom card I may have to refuse it and send it back that way.  I have an Intel N7260 card coming which uses the iwl module.  I couldn't see installing a card that doesn't work without a fight when this is a one shot deal, open the case, drill a hole run the coaxes, mount the box with the antennas and enjoy instead of install, wire and mount then fight for hours or even days using two computers.
19:21 < HappyHobo> I just equate intel with ms.
19:21 < bls> like telling people to use parts for a toyota in a honda. will it work? maybe? should you do it anyway? only if you understand what could go wrong....
19:22 < nQk> what's a toyota?
19:22 < HappyHobo> apparently broadcom only works 19.5% of the time.
19:22 < bomb> toyota is a car brand
19:22 < ayecee> a japanese emperor
19:22 < dgurney> HappyHobo, why would you equate two different companies like that
19:22 < pfred1> I have a Toyota 4WD
19:22 < dgurney> sure, they have the majority, but apart from that? quite different
19:23 < nQk> I will use public transportation until there are driverless cars
19:23 < HappyHobo> still always did
19:23 < HappyHobo> it's mainstream
19:23 < dgurney> ooh, right, we're hipsters now!
19:23 < dgurney> seriously though, sometimes it's best to not look at the company, but the product
19:23 < dgurney> it just so happens that intel makes very linux-friendly hardware
19:23 < Desu> sidenote: it is not broadcom anymore
19:23 < Desu> they sold the wifi chips to cypress
19:24 < qrvpzvb> what's a computer?
19:24 < HappyHobo> I had the 7260 card and the bluetooth portion only had a 2 foot range
19:25 < nQk> ;)
19:25 < pfred1> I have a cordless keyboard and mouse and I'd say 2 feet is about their range
19:25 < dgurney> yeah, bluetooth is generally meant for close-range stuff
19:25 < dgurney> so 2 feet? i'd say that's enough for most uses
19:25 < HappyHobo> but pfredt my bluetooth on my phone works like  20 foot
19:25 < pfred1> yeah it wasn't enough for me
19:26 < pfred1> I wanted to lay in bed and use the stuff
19:26 < HappyHobo> I want to run an HDMI to the TV and put the sound to the stereo.
19:26 < pfred1> I did all of that
19:26 < HappyHobo> Thanks guys.
19:27 < pfred1> for some odd reason a stereo connection got me 5.1 sound too
19:27 < pfred1> I never figured out how that deal worked
19:27 < dgurney> oh, I thought 2 feet was a bit longer... you americans with your nonsense units
19:27 < HappyHobo> I'm going to be much happier with this choice other than bluetooth but that might improve too with these external antennas.
19:27 < dgurney> still, I'd say that's okay for a laptop
19:28 < pfred1> dgurney 2 feet is about not as long as your arm
19:28 < pfred1> like two of your feet?
19:28 < HappyHobo> Now to wait for a month for my stuff to get here.
19:29 < dgurney> using limbs as a reference feels silly
19:30 < markasoftware> anybody get occasional complete system freezes when launching Steam in a flatpak?
19:30 < markasoftware> can't switch ttys or anything
19:31 < markasoftware> doesn't happen for other flatpak apps
19:34 < sauvin> markasoftware, does it happen just on launch, or does it happen intermittently while the app is running?
19:43 < annihilator03> I found one of my old graphics cards hopefully it works then i can qemu windows (lol).  Question tho. Is it better to do all steam games on windows is splitting ok?
19:43 < lnnb> windows is never ok
19:44 < annihilator03> Ok so you are telling me I should just use windows and deal with wsl?
19:44 < lnnb> i'm telling you windows is never ok
19:44 < annihilator03> I have games that are no linux ports and wine won't work for them
19:44 < dgurney> you know what? you should do whatever feels right for you
19:45 < lnnb> don't listen to dgurney
19:45 < lnnb> he will lead you astray
19:46 < annihilator03> So I'm going to have to use windows for those games and since I found one of my old780s I'm going to use that for linux and 1060 for windows pass through
19:46 < lnnb> nah you're fine without it
19:46 < annihilator03> Ok I'm going to ignore you
19:46 < lnnb> k bye
19:48 < annihilator03> My is dieing and I'm working on my computer as a distraction for now.  So I'm trying to be serious.  I play borderlands 2 which has linux port and I play ff games that like all but 14 do work with wine.
19:48 < annihilator03> My mom is dieing
19:49 < dgurney> well, if the linux ports and wine work right with good performance, you should probably use those whenever possible
19:49 < annihilator03> Ok
19:49 < dgurney> however, if something doesn't work (or works but not as well as on Windows), then you should use passthrough
19:49 < lnnb> maybe you could email microsoft and kindly request they stop weaponizing graphics API's
19:49 < pankaj> I have a TP link router set up by ISP but it feels scary to configure it (Like using command line in ubuntu to test wep authentication and wpa2). Yesterday  I messed up enabling wep in place of wpa2 and I did not knew what to do. I tried the method that I knew before but it failed.
19:50 < annihilator03> So that will be so. It fun
19:50 < annihilator03> Not*
19:50 < pankaj> Is it okay to configure it and correct it or it is a big deal like if some mistake happen and I am unable to connect.
19:51 < annihilator03> Ff 15 and 14 both utilize my 1060 and if linux is using it under wine....then I have to switch cables lmao
19:51 < dgurney> pankaj, if something gets thoroughly messed up, you can always just factory reset
19:51 < annihilator03> But linux port games will run on my 780 no issue so I'm not concerned for that.
19:51 < annihilator03> Ok I will look into that tho thanks dgur
19:52 < pankaj> dgurney: 'Factory reset'. Is it same like the option I got to backup and restore.
19:53 < pankaj> dgurney: Hello?
19:54 < dgurney> well pankaj, factory reset resets everything, so the options are connected in a sense that you'd restore a backup you made previously after the reset
19:55 < pankaj> dgurney: So, It means the same 'backup and then restore'?
19:55 < aBound> Did yall hear about this: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/microsoft-buying-github
19:55 < aBound> Microsoft trying to buy GitHub.
19:56 < lnnb> #totallynoclickbait
19:56 < nrg> gross
19:56 < dgurney> pankaj, it can mean that but not necessarily
19:56 < lnnb> but yeah i'm going to leave github just because they entertained the thought
19:56 < GunqqerFriithian> Extend, Embrace, Extermintae
19:57 < dgurney> well, you messed that up pretty bad
19:57 < dgurney> it's embrace, extend, extinguish
19:57 < aBound> Extinction.
19:57 < lnnb> extirpate ?
19:57 < GunqqerFriithian> so I fliped the first two same thing
19:58 < dgurney> well, I can actually understand why people think that about the potential github buying
19:59 < djph> "you have to use our MS products to use github now" ...
19:59 < aBound> Noooo...
19:59 < aBound> GitHub ads inside Win10.
19:59 < djph> opensource community -> "err, no. " (create github 2.0)
20:00 < aBound> But, but we have to monetize it.
20:00 < djph> aBound: nah
20:00 < aBound> It's a joke. :P
20:00 < aBound> Teehee.
20:01 < pankaj> dgurney: OK.
20:01 < dgurney> they would definitely integrate it more with visual studio team services, and maybe restrict the free tier further
20:01 < dgurney> either way, it'd probably kill github
20:02 < GunqqerFriithian> yup
20:02 < dgurney> even people in this one Windows community I'm part of are not very happy this potential github buying, because MS has a history of killing stuff they've bought
20:02 < sauvin> As I understand it, they're still just talking about it.
20:02 < dgurney> yep, but people are still concerned anyway
20:03 < GunqqerFriithian> for good reason
20:03 < sauvin> Concerned enough to start googling for alternatives, I guess.
20:03 < hexnewbie> Isn't everybody just using GNU Savannah anyways?  :p
20:03 < alexandre9099> hi again, i got a pretty old laptop that is 32bit, how can know if it supports hardware decoding of any coded?
20:03 < alexandre9099> *codec
20:03 < djph> hell, the mere "talking about it" is probably enough to get some people up to "well, time to move on; it was nice while it lasted"
20:03 < phogg> it would be bad, but maybe it would finally galvanize people into action and open source projects would move to an open alternative
20:03 < dgurney> probably, yeah
20:04 < sauvin> phogg, such as?
20:04 < dgurney> see all the recent GitLab moving
20:04 < leopard> you have an open alternative, its called gogs
20:04 < GunqqerFriithian> most other services has an import from github feature
20:04 < djph> isn't github (primarily) a pretty web frontend to git?
20:04 < dgurney> yeah
20:04 < GunqqerFriithian> yup
20:04 < k0p> "enter a lot of random trash till the application crash" what is this called?
20:04 < phogg> sauvin: gitlab is probably the biggest. The problem is that people seem to want a single centrally-hosted solution, when a federated one is more in keeping with an open platform
20:04 < djph> so, make a new pretty frontend, call it not-github and call it a day.
20:04 < phogg> k0p: fuzz testing
20:05 < aBound> The popularity of git and having to learn an alternative is a no, no I'd figure.
20:05 < GunqqerFriithian> if only it was that easy, djph
20:05 < sauvin> First thought to cross my mind is: "who has a collection of server farms large enough to accept github's content?"
20:05 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: I would make a guess and just assume it does not. But you could try mplayer -vo xvmc, mplayer -vo vdpau and mpv -vo vaapi. There should be a lower-level API to check, like VA-API has vainfo, VDPAU might have its own too, but not sure for XvMC
20:05 < sauvin> phogg, yeah, but what's out there presently?
20:05 < djph> phogg: sounds almost like what's needed is a central repo of projects ... but that allows people to have their own server talk to it
20:05 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, i'll see
20:05 < phogg> sauvin: there are several but they don't operate at the same scale
20:06 < sauvin> Some of them are going to have to. What's bitbucket like?
20:06 < alexandre9099> ( hexnewbie  youtube on firefox with 360p quality is kinda the limit for the pc, more and it just dies)
20:06 < djph> phogg: i.e. "the repo" just knows where stuff is (and has the option of hosting); but the individual projects have their own servers for their own stuff
20:07 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: You can check the Wikipedia page for the video card too. Although it might have a hardware decoder like Crystal HD (I happened to own a 32-bit computer with one before I destroyed it), that's not a video card. But it does show in vainfo after installing its proprietary drivers IIRC
20:07 < djph> ... as opposed to "here's our one massive central server, the end"
20:08 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, hmm, it is integrated graphics only, i think, the cpu is an atom, let me check pretty quick
20:08 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: You could buy a newer laptop, or a Crystal HD or similar card for this one. Or not use a browser to play the videos, download them and use a player (slightly better)
20:08 < phogg> sauvin: bitbucket is not nearly the same in terms of features. Definitely decent for a privately hosted github-alike thing, but not a full replacement for the internet
20:09 < dgurney> well the benefit of a central datacenter(s) would be that network speeds would be fairly consistent
20:09 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, well, i have a better pc, but i was trying to resurrect this potato :D
20:09 < phogg> djph: some of the value of github is that it's not done that way
20:09 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, it is an intel atom n270
20:09 < hexnewbie> I don't believe a 32 bit Atom will be able to do HD, mine didn't, which is why I bought Crystal HD back then. I'd have my doubts the new Atoms would either, if only because they went PowerVR which is totally unsupported, lol
20:10 < phogg> djph: but sure, you could. It's basically like another distributed social network where you have commits, PRs and bug reports instead of posts, likes and so forth.
20:10 < dgurney> like, it wouldn't be very nice if one project gets cloned in minutes, but another one takes an hour even though it may be of similar size
20:10 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, hmm, is that an external decoder? (the crystal hd)
20:11 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Internal
20:11 < hexnewbie> My atom was D510MO (that's the desktop board, don't know what Atom CPU it has on it)
20:12 < phogg> dgurney: github is even better than that since no actual copy takes place on initial clone, and any copying that happens occurs in the background without a user needing to be aware of it
20:12 < aBound> Swoosh, I'm off... :P
20:13 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Better to invest in a newer computer, really. I'm not a fan of the crystal HD, it has only proprietary drivers and it had issues like requiring you to increase vm.min_free_kbytes because it failed to allocate memory when playing videos
20:13 < jim> hi
20:13 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Full 1080p H264 did, however, play flawlessly and without issue, in XBMC at least
20:13 < HappyHobo> hi jim
20:14 < djph> phogg: I just meant in that it seems all the 'central only' services have come and done something like this (although, yeah, there is value with everyone using "the same platform")
20:14 < HappyHobo> just saying hi, I must make cigarettes and get my glutes to work.
20:16 < djph> dgurney: Honestly, the crackpot idea was more along the lines of usenet more than "oh, go to jimbob's server that will take a week and a day to get you 500KB of info"
20:17 < dgurney> oh, well maybe that could work
20:19 < djph> maybe ... but I definitely don't have the requisite skills to implement it
20:19 < chomwitt> evemu-record  display a different value for scankey of a keyboard than evtest
20:20 < chomwitt>  (KEY_S) (MSC_SCAN), value 70016   vs MSC_SCAN             458774
20:21 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Oh, and one more thing - I don't trust Firefox and Chrome to be able to utilise it, so it may require an external player even if it works. So might as well look at better options
20:25 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, you saied "You could buy a newer laptop, or a Crystal HD or similar card for this one" so i tought it was external :D which browser do you sugest? i might try kodi
20:27 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, also those mplayer commands go straight to the help
20:28 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Did you specify video file to play? Presumably H264 for the vdpau one, although it might support other formats
20:28 < alexandre9099> no,i tought that was kind of a "show me stuff related to vdpau and etc"
20:28 < alexandre9099> :D
20:29 < pfred1> I can do vdpau now
20:29 < birkoff> im looking for a 32bit liveusb distro that comes with i3/awesome
20:30 < rindolf> why mplayer and not mpv?
20:31 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: This Atom with the integrated card won't do any useful codecs in hardware, though.
20:31 < dgurney> birkoff, you may need to make your own
20:31 < dgurney> because I can't think of any other distro than manjaro, and that's x86_64 only now like arch
20:32 < triceratux> birkoff: https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=nixos ?
20:32 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, :D i'll just give up and use it as a portable terminal, it is kinda small which is pretty good, just a bit fat :D
20:33 < birkoff> what is x86-64 dgurney /
20:34 < noqnio1> Hey, I have an idea and I would like your input on this.
20:34 < noqnio1> I have a laptop and a desktop. What if I installed the same distro on both, and both home folders of my user are hosted somewhere encrypted and synced with rclone.
20:34 < noqnio1> Whenever I needed to install something (I would only use the distro's package manager), I would use a script that installs the software, but also places the list of installed packages on the remote.
20:34 < noqnio1> This way, when the other computer was turned on, it would automatically install the same packages I installed on the other system & sync the home folder, effectively having two identical machines with only the home folders shared.
20:34 < noqnio1> How does that sound
20:35 < dgurney> birkoff: what it says on the tin, the 64-bit extension to x86. it's called amd64 or x64 sometimes
20:41 < birkoff> how can i create a livecd based off minimal debian with i3
20:41 < birkoff> creating a distro is a lot of work isnt it
20:41 < birkoff> i mean a livecd
20:43 < sauvin> noqnio1, dunno about the encrypted remote home directory. As for making sure all the same software is installed, the approach I have in mind is conceptually dead simple on debian-based distros: diffing dkpg -l output
20:44 < noqnio1> That's nice, thanks. But I think that when it is only two machines involved, it could just be a list of installed/uninstalled
20:44 < pfred1> I tried to make an init floppy once
20:44 < pfred1> it was a lot of work
20:47 < jim> on debian-based, dpkg --get-selections will give you a list of packages your installation knows about... you'll get lines with packagenames and statuses... if the status is "install", the package is installed
20:48 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, with kodi it works *fine* :D
20:49 < pfred1> jim that must be an awfully long list
20:49 < pfred1> not too bad I suppose only 1377 lines
20:50 < sauvin> noqnio1, what do you think dpkg -l produces?
20:50 < noqnio1> It is a list of all the packages, not the changes only
20:50 < sauvin> Hrm.... know what... I like jim's idea better.
20:50 < noqnio1> So if I installed vlc for example, the "to install" list could just have "vlc" in it
20:50 < pfred1> sauvin not exactly the same thing that's 1382 lines long
20:51 < sauvin> Yup. Script time.
20:51 < sauvin> There's a caveat: drivers.
20:51 < noqnio1> dpkg --get-selections also marks the autoremove ones, maybe just running --autoremove would suffice
20:51 < pfred1> is there a a way I can diff the two commands?
20:51 < jim> I gotta get my object system going on my script...
20:52 < sauvin> object system?
20:52 < pfred1> this doesn't work  diff -y `dpkg --get-selections` `dpkg -l` | less
20:52 < noqnio1> Apart from video drivers (in case you want to install propr. ones), i think everything else should be fine
20:52 < noqnio1> Just the relevant modules would be attached to the kernel, no
20:52 < jim> yeah, I have a script I use that talks to postgres, and I'm trying to implement a simple data object system that has types
20:53 < jim> back in a few mins :)
20:53 < Hashlog> hello, anyone an idea how I could monitor all files that are created by a script? Is watching the kernel calls the right way of doing it (strace) or might there be another way?
20:57 < RedNifre> Hey there.
20:57 < noqnio1> Hello.
20:57 < RedNifre> I switched from Ubuntu 16.04 to 18.04 (clean install) a week ago and it's already broken. Which solid normal stable Linux distro can you recommend?
20:58 < leopard> define broken
20:58 < Psi-Jack> Any major distro.
20:58 < noqnio1> What did you do to break it? :p
20:58 < pfred1> RedNifre Debian
20:58 < RedNifre> I'm looking for a normal Linux distro that doesn't randomly break and works on a high dpi screen, maybe even touch screen.
20:58 < TheWild> "define broken" "Any major distro" lol
20:58 < pfred1> everyone should run Debian
20:59 < noqnio1> pfred1: +1
20:59 < pfred1> just don't use my mirror OK?
20:59 < noqnio1> Like, <i>everybody</i>
20:59 < RedNifre> leopard after login, the screen stays dark purple and I only get  a mouse cursor. I can also swipe up on the touch screen to show the on screen keyboard. There are invisible buttons in the top right which open the menus from the login screen (where you can shut down) so I guess I'm not even logged in.
20:59 < RedNifre> noqnio1 I rebooted it.
21:00 < leopard> have you tried #ubuntu and trying to fix the problem?
21:00 < pfred1> I jacked my system up so bad last wee kI had to reinstall it
21:00 < RedNifre> No, Ubuntu randomly breaks about once a year for me and reparing it usually takes hours. So I wonder if I should use a different distro.
21:00 < leopard> if its a touchscreen laptop, it could be hardware issues
21:00 < pfred1> that video card upgrade just did not go wel lat all
21:00 < sauvin> RedNifre, define "broken".
21:01 < lesshaste> in chromium, when I open a pdf it is in "continuous" mode. How can I view one page at a time?
21:01 < RedNifre> sauvin after login, the screen stays dark purple and I only get  a mouse cursor. I can also swipe up on the touch screen to show the on screen keyboard. There are invisible buttons in the top right which open the menus from the login screen (where you can shut down) so I guess I'm not even logged in.
21:01 < Pentode> RedNifre, whats breakin'?
21:01 < leopard> if you're not willing to spend a few hours _per year_ fixing things on your machine, Linux probably isn't the operating system for you
21:01 < pfred1> leopard once i get a system setup if i don't change anything I don't have to fix anything
21:01 < sauvin> No operating system is. Last time I used it, Windows needed several hours PER WEEK to repair.
21:01 < RedNifre> leopard well, I did a clean install a week ago so I'm a bit disappointed that it's already broken. Is there really no rock solid distro?
21:02 < pfred1> RedNifre Debina is rock solid
21:02 < pfred1> Debian even
21:02 < sauvin> RedNifre, there are a few, but you'd have to make some allowances.
21:02 < leopard> what did you do before it broke?
21:02 < vim_user_19> hey guys i'm using i3 and everytime it autostarts with two xterms open. i don't know why, because it's not written into my i3 config file. is there a way to chcek where this behaviour comes from?
21:02 < RedNifre> leopard using vim in tmux to write some haskell code. also read some websites in Chromium.
21:02 < pfred1> vim_user_19 2 terms sounds about right to me what's the problem?
21:02 < leopard> vim_user_19: check your .xinitrc
21:03 < vim_user_19> pfred1: this is the normal behaviour of i3?
21:03 < pfred1> vim_user_19 I don't know I've never used it
21:04 < RedNifre> Oh well, guess I'll talk to #ubuntu before investing time into finding a better distro... computers just suck!
21:04 < vim_user_19> yep leopard, thank you!
21:04 < pfred1> RedNifre I agree
21:04 < pfred1> they're getting worse too
21:05 < Aph3x-WL> nah, people are just getting lazier
21:05 < leopard> RedNifre: that's your best solution. solving the problem today will probably also help you prevent more problems in the future
21:05 < pfred1> Aph3x-WL the workload is increasing
21:05 < leopard> no, the expectations are changing
21:05 < RedNifre> leopard absolutely not, the problems I have are always completely original and not useful for the next problem at all.
21:05 < pfred1> leopard I expect nothing more today
21:06 < Pentode> those are the best problems
21:06 < pfred1> trouble is they're always trying to pile more on
21:06 < leopard> on the surface maybe, but over time knowledge accumulates, at least for most people
21:06 < pfred1> complexity is certainly increasing
21:06 < Pentode> i'd focus on your display manager and desktop environment. maybe the DE's session manager is hanging or borked for some reason?
21:07 < pfred1> I have no DE or DM
21:07 < Pentode> that was meant for RedNifre, sorry
21:07 < pfred1> console start FTW!
21:07 < Pentode> lol
21:07 < pfred1> I'm back to the same WM I used 10 years ago now
21:07 < pfred1> retro
21:07 < Pentode> which one is that?
21:08 < pfred1> WindowMaker
21:08 < leopard> i also console start, but that doesn't seem feasible if you're expecting on screen keyboard
21:08 < Pentode> i used to use fvwm back in the day. and sometimes windowmaker
21:08 < Pentode> then moved on to xfce and i've been stuck since
21:08 < pfred1> I was using fvwm but there's too much scropt configuring in that
21:08 < leopard> I'm on xfce, thinking about going back to fvwm
21:08 < pfred1> crystal-fvwm
21:08 < Pentode> sometimes i still switch back to windowmaker though for nostalgia and comfort
21:08 < RedNifre> I'm not expecting on screen keyboard, I wish I knew how to turn it off.
21:08 < Pentode> it's like a blanket.
21:09 < pfred1> at least WM has wperfs
21:10 < Pentode> there was a bloke who wrote another little widget toolkit that looked and functioned like the next interface
21:10 < Pentode> forget what it was called...
21:10 < leopard> isn't there an opennext project too
21:10 < pfred1> afterstep?
21:10 < Pentode> afterstep now theres a blast from the past, lol.
21:10 < pfred1> that's what i used before Wmaker
21:12 < Pentode> i almost completely forgot about afterstep
21:12 < pfred1> it is a forgettable WM
21:13 < pfred1> but it was a step up from FVWM
21:13 < Pentode> hmm. gnustep is still active, too? good to see some people still like diversity.
21:13 < pfred1> I hate all the new DEs
21:13 < Pentode> im fed up with gtk3 and i can't seem to merge to QT
21:13 < Pentode> :/
21:14 < pfred1> I was running TDE for a while but that project is falling apart
21:14 < leopard> i used twm for a while. can't say it wasn't fast
21:14 < pfred1> so I'm breaking away with it
21:14 < pfred1> TWM will rewire your brain
21:15 < pfred1> I was watching a guy on Youtube demo an obscure WM yesterday called lufts somehting or other?
21:15 < Pentode> i can still see my old CTX monitor in my minds eye, running some early slackware with vtwm on the screen...
21:15 < pfred1> it was bizarre
21:16 < Pentode> computers were better back then
21:16 < pfred1> we didn't do much less than we do today
21:16 < pfred1> but we seemed to be able to do it with 8MB of RAM
21:16 < pfred1> now explain that
21:16 < Pentode> yeah but nostalgia just makes an old man think everything was better back then ;)
21:16 < Pentode> hah, yeah.
21:17 < pfred1> if you had 16MB that was considered excessive
21:17 < leopard> browsers didn't need 500mb of ram just to load back then
21:17 < pfred1> my system right now is using 183 MB and all I have going is my IRC
21:18 < pfred1> what is the rest doing?
21:18 < Pentode> i remember my uncle brought me a used NEC p120 tower on my 15th birthday. coming from a 386dx33..
21:18 < pfred1> wow that's like a quantum leap
21:18 < Pentode> i spent some absurd price for a 8mb stick to bump me up to 16mb
21:18 < Pentode> we were in the middle of a price spike on ram :{
21:18 < pfred1> yup I paid $158 for 8MB of EDO RAM
21:19 < Pentode> yeah mine wasn't quite that high but it was something absurd, i remember that much. lol
21:19 < pfred1> but that EDO RAM has to be better than what we use today
21:19 < RedNifre> I recently bought a programmable calculator from the 80s with just 20 registers of data storage, it's insane how quickly you can program it because there is absolutely no clutter going on inside.
21:19 < pfred1> because i managed to do a lot more with it back then
21:19 < Pentode> quantity and speed over quality seems to be the ram of today
21:20 < RedNifre> (to be precise, I bought a modern remake of a HP 15C, which I think contains an ARM chip with lots of software emulating the original calculator)
21:20 < pfred1> though it did take me like 4 hours to compile X Window
21:20 < RedNifre> Everything is way too complicated, there are a thousand places where something can just break.
21:20 < pfred1> I bet my machine could build X a lot faster than that now
21:20 < Pentode> my kernels back then compiled faster than they do now on this modern hardware, lol
21:20 < leopard> but there's also a lot more people involved in each of those pieces
21:21 < pfred1> I can't say that
21:21 < pfred1> my machine builds a kernel pretty fast
21:21 < pfred1> I think like 5 minutes?
21:21 < Pentode> takes me a bit longer
21:21 < pfred1> but I don't compile the whole kernel just what I need
21:21 < Pentode> maybe my drive is sslow?
21:22 < Pentode> shouldnt make mch difference tho\
21:22 < pfred1> it can take me 3 days to configure that too
21:22 < leopard> can they build the kernel with clang yet?
21:22 < pfred1> I want a SSD
21:22 < Pentode> erm finger seizure
21:22 < pfred1> that's next on my PC list
21:22 < pfred1> I have a fast mechanical drive now though
21:23 < cornfeedhobo> for an average desktop, would one expect /home to be busier that any other path, or the opposite?
21:23 < Pentode> i've got a 250gb evo but i've yet to transfer over. i dont know what im waiting for. i had it in the macbook and it was pretty impressive.
21:23 < pfred1>  Timing buffered disk reads: 630 MB in  3.00 seconds = 209.70 MB/sec
21:23 < Pentode> cornfeedhobo, well it depends on what you are doing, doesnt it?
21:23 < pfred1> not bad for old rust
21:24 < Pentode> home contains most of my data. though for access? not very busy there.
21:25 < leopard> cornfeedhobo: almost everything in linux can be represented as a file, so its hard to make that kind of generalization
21:25 < cornfeedhobo> Pentode: of course, that is why i prefaced the question with "average desktop". maybe i could added the context, "average developer's desktop", where an IDE may love to over use inotify, but still I am intentionally asking a broad question.
21:25 < Pentode> i see
21:26 < pfred1> Debian is the universal OS but i may be a bit biased
21:26 < cornfeedhobo> the root of the question is, which should get the PCIe SSD and which gets the SATA
21:26 < leopard> cornfeedhobo: give / the ssd and /home the sata
21:26 < Pentode> its a tough call sometimes but i'd give / to the ssd
21:26 < pfred1> leopard but / gets cached in RAM more
21:26 < cornfeedhobo> roger. that is what thinking. thanks for the gut check!
21:27 < dgurney> it depends on what you need really
21:27 < pfred1> who here has a SSD?
21:27 < dgurney> me, and I hope many others too
21:27 < leopard> but i doubt any use case he has that accesses /home will be io bound
21:28 < pfred1> dgurney run this and past your buffered read speed please # hdparm -tT /dev/sda
21:28 < Pentode> pfred1, i have a samsung evo. tho i havent used it for linux yet
21:28 < Pentode> i guess now im going to have to put it in
21:28 < pfred1> I wanna see just how fast SSD really is
21:29 < pfred1> I think it may only be about twice as fast as my mechanical drive
21:29 < cornfeedhobo> wait. you don't have an ssd?
21:29 < cornfeedhobo> and haven't tried one?
21:29 < pfred1> nope
21:29 < cornfeedhobo> oh boy, what are you doing here?
21:29 < cornfeedhobo> go buy one right now
21:29 < pfred1> I have a pretty fast mechanical drive now though
21:29 < dgurney> pfred1, http://dpaste.com/3ZX2F5K.txt (samsung 850 evo)
21:30 < pfred1> I have a ST1000DM010-2EP102
21:30 < Pentode> yeh, i have an 850 and i can recommend it though i haven't used it for linux yet, just macos.
21:30 < pfred1> dgurney that's about 5X as fast as my drive
21:30 < Pentode> they are cheap if you get a smaller one. and it's pretty friggin fast
21:30 < dgurney> pfred1, duh :P
21:31 < syb0rg> I use an 850 evo for linux and I agree, it is a good drive
21:31 < pfred1> yeah I've looked at them
21:31 < dgurney> there's a reason why most people buy them and most things use them by default now
21:31 < pfred1> I worry about longevity but I suppose that's improved now
21:31 < dgurney> there's no need to worry about the longevity
21:31 < syb0rg> I have been abusing mine for years and it still behaves
21:31 < leopard> I have a 5400rpm drive and I've never had performance issues
21:32 < Pentode> pfred1, yeah it's almost not an issue unless you _really_ thrash your drives. and even then, i bet this thing would not blink.
21:32 < pfred1> I think my drive is a 7200?
21:32 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: it may be fast, but it's still 1/2 to 1/4 as fast as a commodity ssd
21:32 < dgurney> leopard, oh you do
21:32 < pfred1> hey 1TB for $50
21:32 < cornfeedhobo> i was not joking, unless you are dirt poor, go get an 850 evo or 850 pro and see how the next 6 months feel
21:32 < pfred1> that's something SSD can't do
21:32 < dgurney> you just need to use a good SSD once, and then you'll have a bad time with 5400rpm
21:32 < cornfeedhobo> post haste! :p
21:32 < syb0rg> dding to/from flash storage is a great experience when justifying the expenditure :)
21:33 < pfred1> a 1TB SSD must cost what $350 today?
21:33 < dgurney> well you can just check your favorite store's prices
21:33 < leopard> I'm not saying I wouldn't prefer an ssd, its just not a priority for my workflow
21:33 < dgurney> but yes, that's about the range
21:33 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: 850 pros are down to <200
21:33 < pfred1> even a 256GB would cost $90
21:33 < syb0rg> wow, they are getting cheap
21:33 < dgurney> yes, but it's worth the 90
21:34 < pfred1> cornfeedhobo $250 is a chunk of change
21:34 < pfred1> nothing in my PC cost that mush
21:34 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: oh 1tb is ~500
21:34 < pfred1> cornfeedhobo 5 beans is about what my whole PC cost
21:35 < cornfeedhobo> yeah, i guess i understand that sticker shock, but i couldn't fathom going back to spinning disk outside of a raid array
21:35 < pfred1> HDD and all
21:35 < dgurney> yes, but the speed benefits are well worth the additional cost (and lower size in the cheaper range) IMO, unless you're doing archival
21:35 < pfred1> dgurney once my machine has been running for a bit it caches any data I use
21:35 < Pentode> there are some used 250gb 850's for 50 bucks on ebay
21:36 < cornfeedhobo> lol, i say after entering the channel to sort out which directories to host on my PCIe SSD
21:36 < dgurney> pfred1, sure, but that only goes so far
21:36 < pfred1> so a SSD would only speed it up on boot
21:36  * cornfeedhobo has the need for speed
21:36 < pfred1> I go some years without rebooting
21:36 < cornfeedhobo> and every application load, cache load, you can rethink your approach to swap depending or your use case, etc
21:36 < syb0rg> best of both worlds: Get cheap HDDS for storage and an SSD for linux
21:36 < dgurney> syb0rg, yes
21:37 < dgurney> that's what most people do
21:37 < syb0rg> then most people are doing the right thing
21:37 < dgurney> indeed
21:37 < pfred1> syb0rg but Linux aggressively caches data in RAM
21:37 < precise> Hi, I am writing a bash script where one of the functions is to create a new linux user with a given password. How can I provide this password to the script without hardcoding the password in a plaintext variable?
21:37 < dgurney> but that only goes so far
21:37 < dgurney> again
21:37 < syb0rg> yeah that's helpful, but it won't help with everything
21:37 < pfred1> right now I have 6466MB cached
21:37 < dgurney> exactly
21:38 < syb0rg> like my example of dding to and from flash
21:38 < pfred1> that's like all the programs i use
21:38 < syb0rg> super fast
21:38 < leopard> precise: pass it through stdin ?
21:38 < cornfeedhobo> precise: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2150882/how-to-automatically-add-user-account-and-password-with-a-bash-script
21:38 < pfred1> SSD won't seed any of that up
21:38 < pfred1> speed even
21:39 < pfred1> watch your activity light running Linux after a while it don't come on
21:39 < syb0rg> it won't speed up reading and writing large files?
21:39 < dgurney> load times are extremely important
21:39 < pfred1> syb0rg that's not something i do a lot
21:39 < syb0rg> I do that semi frequently
21:39 < pfred1> yeah I don't do video editing
21:39 < dgurney> it doesn't matter if something is cached really well if the initial load takes 30 seconds instead of 5
21:39 < syb0rg> I just back up with dd and write a lot of isos
21:39 < precise> cornfeedhobo: Doesn't that still hardcode the password in the script?
21:40 < pfred1> dgurney what takes 30 seconds to load?
21:40 < pfred1> syb0rg my USB is really slow
21:40 < precise> echo thePassword | passwd theUsername --stdin "thePassword" is still the password, in plaintext, in the script?
21:40 < syb0rg> yeah USB3 helps a lot
21:40 < pfred1> the last time I wrote a live image to USB I thought my system hanged
21:40 < dgurney> a large project of some sort might take that long, but it's just an example. even smaller improvements in load times add up over time pfred1
21:41 < syb0rg> lol
21:41 < pfred1> I have USB3 on this system but no USB3 drives for it yet
21:41 < pfred1> I guess supertuxkart could pop a bit faster here
21:41 < dgurney> even if you aren't doing anything special, it's worth it having a smaller SSD for the OS and programs, and HDDs for data
21:42 < pfred1> dgurney we must run different OSes
21:42 < jim> plus live images are long
21:42 < pfred1> jim full live distros certainly are
21:42 < pfred1> I forget which one it was but it was like 4.5GB
21:42 < dgurney> it doesn't matter, SSDs are worth it for an OS drive, period. i don't know why this is an argument in the first place
21:43 < jim> 1-4 gigs
21:43 < syb0rg> yeah honestly if you tried one you'd probably notice a difference pfred1, but if you are happy with your mechanical drive who cares
21:43 < pfred1> dgurney my machine boots up in 5 seconds with a mech HDD how much faster do I need it to be?
21:43 < pfred1> would it booting in one second really improve my life?
21:43 < cornfeedhobo> precise: yes, but the source could be an environment variable or something else as well
21:44 < pfred1> I will probably get a SSD before the year is out
21:44 < dgurney> pfred1, boot time and pure data transfer speed isn't the only reason to upgrade... there's also latency to consider.
21:44 < precise> cornfeedhobo: Would another very well protected file with a reversible encryption scheme suffice?
21:45 < cornfeedhobo> precise: you'll notice some comments have examples of passing the password directly to useradd and generating it with openssl
21:45 < pfred1> dgurney latency is a product of the OS and hardware to some extent
21:45 < cornfeedhobo> precise: it all depends on your use case, how you execute this, etc. you'll have to navigate that.
21:45 < pfred1> latency is an issue I've dealt with with RTOS
21:45 < pfred1> a lot of latency is CPU bound
21:45 < pfred1> it is what it is
21:46 < pfred1> Intel generally has crap latency
21:46 < pfred1> at least for their desktop CPUs
21:47 < pfred1> xeon and atoms are OK though
21:47 < precise> cornfeedhobo: Problem being is it is an initialization script for a Vultr VPS instance, which means its completely automated, non-interactive, and accessible via your Vultr account, the VPS hardware host, etc. It's not ideal, but I want to make it best practice because I'm going to be publishing the script.
21:48 < dgurney> pfred1, sure, but eventually, the primary cause of excessive latency becomes the hard drive.
21:49 < pfred1> dgurney how can it when a program is loaded into RAM?
21:50 < dgurney> look, it doesn't matter if something is cached to the RAM if it takes unnecessarily long to load in the first place
21:50 < jim> well load times
21:51 < jim> plus various other disk accesses taking place while your program is running
21:51 < pfred1> dgurney you must run bigger programs than I do
21:52 < triceratux> fwiw theres iso images these days that are larger than a dvd https://blackarch.org/downloads.html
21:53 < dgurney> pfred1, the programs don't need to be big for you to feel an overall performance and usability improvement
21:53 < cornfeedhobo> precise: well, in that case, don't support passwords at all. you should set the password to some randomness from openssl and then set an SSH key in authorized_keys. i have no idea how you want to source an SSH key, one idea is to use github, maybe vultr has an internal api like aws?
21:53 < dgurney> pfred1: I don't blame you for thinking this way though, I was just like you before I actually got an SSD
21:54 < pfred1> dgurney I'll see still a SSD is still only 2.5 times faster than my mech HDD is when load time is just a couple seconds the difference is not going to be great
21:54 < GunqqerFriithian> Why do people have to gatekeep linux so much? People on reddit saying using ubuntu is for people who hate linux
21:54 < GunqqerFriithian> like rly wtf
21:54 < cornfeedhobo> precise: i gtg. good luck.
21:54 < pfred1> I haven't run Ubuntu in a while but the last time I did it was pretty awful
21:55 < pfred1> I had to google how to open a terminal
21:55 < cornfeedhobo> precise: if you are looking into automation at this level, maybe you should just look to a public cloud that is more mature.
21:55 < precise> cornfeedhobo: It's a pet project :)
21:55 < Pentode> pfred1, unity is horrible. ubuntu in itself isn't bad
21:55 < GunqqerFriithian> unity is still better than gnome
21:55 < Pentode> i had the same impression when i tried it.
21:55 < pfred1> Pentode I don't evne know if it was unity all I know is there was no terminal entry on their menu
21:55 < Pentode> then i grabbed a copy of xubuntu
21:55 < dgurney> pfred1, you will see and feel a difference, it
21:56 < dgurney> 's not up for debate
21:56 < GunqqerFriithian> I use ubuntu 16.04.04 with KDE Plasma
21:56 < dgurney> and well, Ubuntu isn't actually bad at all
21:56 < cornfeedhobo> GunqqerFriithian: lol don't bring reddit here ;-)
21:56 < pfred1> dgurney as far as HDDs go I have a pretty fast one now
21:56 < Pentode> what i dig is that there's a fork that has i386 support so i can still use my ancient hardware and have a modern environment
21:56 < pfred1> dgurney I actuall did some research before i bought it
21:56 < dgurney> I don't care about your HDD, you will be totally converted when you upgrade
21:56 < pfred1> this is like one of the fastest mech HDDs ever made
21:57 < cornfeedhobo> no one cares
21:57 < cornfeedhobo> SSD for liiiiifffeee
21:57 < dgurney> I don't care, it's still slow compared to even an entry-level SSD
21:57 < dgurney> *modern entry-level
21:57 < pfred1> dgurney but my drive is bigger
21:57 < dgurney> yes, and that's why you use it for storage
21:57 < dgurney> SSD for OS and programs
21:58 < cornfeedhobo> (last comment before i go) trolling aside, my joke is not far off of reality. SSDs will change your life, and bikeshedding here won't change anything.
21:58 < dgurney> it's the most sensible and commonly used split
21:58 < pfred1> dgurney so how do you get that to work?
21:58 < GunqqerFriithian> SSDs cost too much for me, especially in the size I want and the physical size (2.5" for a laptop)
21:58 < pfred1> I keep a lot of executable programs in my home dir
21:59 < dgurney> pfred1, you use mount points, obviously
21:59 < dgurney> for instance, if programs in your home are in .programs, you mount a partition on the SSD as that
21:59 < pfred1> I guess i could put ~/bin on the SSD
21:59 < dgurney> yes, you could, in addition to the OS
21:59 < dgurney> and then rest of /home on HDD for example
22:00 < pfred1> still the one place where i can notice lag is opening up a dir of a lot of image files
22:00 < dgurney> exactly, limitations of spinning disks
22:01 < pfred1> if you have a file manager that displays thumbnails that can be slow
22:01 < pfred1> I had that problem yesterday
22:01 < dgurney> yep, that's another area where you'll feel the difference
22:02 < pfred1> though not in a file manager I was using gthumb I don't have a file manager that displays thumbnails ATM
22:02 < pfred1> I was picking icons for a launcher
22:03 < pfred1> I don't know if I'll get an EVO though I think they may be overrated
22:04 < dgurney> they are not, Samsung makes excellent SSDs
22:04 < pfred1> due to their popularoty they're certainly overpriced
22:04 < dgurney> not by much, but Kingston drives are also good and usually cheaper
22:04 < pfred1> I was doing some research and I forget what drive won out
22:05 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: oh, came back for one point. check craigslist and other sources. i know some folks that are able to get 1tb 850 pros for around $200, you just have to be on the lookout.
22:05 < pfred1> it wasn't EVO or kingston as I can recall
22:05 < Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i got this odd ssl error anybody ever seen it?
22:05 < dgurney> pfred1, probably the evo
22:05 < Eryn_1983_FL>  Error code: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
22:05 < Eryn_1983_FL> my cert is not expired
22:05 < pfred1> cornfeedhobo that's if you don't meed the Craigslist killer when you go to make the deal
22:05 < pfred1> I've heard some horror stories there
22:06 < dgurney> well there's ebay if you don't want to use craigslist
22:06 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: lol you can get a sense of the seller. you are more likely to buy from a "5 finger discount" than a killer
22:06 < pfred1> lately I've been doing all of my shopping in China
22:07 < pfred1> that's where I got most of my system from
22:07 < dgurney> ah, makes sense for some things
22:07 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: last time i bought a drive off craigslist it was an IT guy that was given the order to liquidate stuff, and he had a stack of 20 SSDs. it was dirt cheap and friendly. met him and his wife before they were going to an opera. far from a pair of killers. unless they were secret assassins
22:07 < pfred1> I just got a video card from there
22:07 < dgurney> pfred1: but definitely don't get your SSD from a random Chinese brand
22:08 < pfred1> cornfeedhobo I imagine that depends on what region you live in
22:08 < dgurney> more than likely the longevity on those is poor, even if the speeds match more expensive drives
22:08 < pfred1> cornfeedhobo there ain't an IT guy within 200 miles of where i live
22:08 < cornfeedhobo> pfred1: fair point
22:09 < Kalium> a good use for budget SSD's is reviving older laptops, but I'd never put one in a work machine
22:09 < pfred1> well maybe up in Wilmington there is but that's still a 2 hour drive
22:09 < pfred1> I've never actually been there
22:09 < pfred1> I don't hear it is nice either
22:10 < pfred1> I have a laptop I never use it
22:11 < pfred1> I like my tower systems
22:11 < cornfeedhobo> i think i feel most guilty because i have a pile of SSDs in my desk drawer
22:11 < cornfeedhobo> i'm sure at least 2 of them are 1tb 840s
22:11 < pfred1> I have piles of leaves and yard debris
22:11 < pfred1> pile of dirty laundry
22:11 < dgurney> I have a small pile of old RAM
22:12 < dgurney> and a somewhat larger one of mostly junk
22:12 < pfred1> I keep my old RAM in an organizer drawer
22:12 < pfred1> there ain't much of it and most is so old good luck finding a system it works in
22:13 < hehehe> good people
22:13 < hehehe> hello
22:13 < dnnl> hehehe
22:13 < Kalium> 'sup
22:13 < pfred1> I don't think I got a stick of DDR3 that's not i na system
22:13 < hehehe> which GUI email software allows to search emails by text in the email body?
22:14 < hehehe> I am using Evolution atm - yet to figure out if it can do it
22:14 < pfred1> I think my email just stores all the emails in one huge text file
22:14 < pfred1> I use thunderbird
22:14 < Kalium> pfred1: oh wow are you using /var/mail?
22:14 < pfred1> no it is in a hidden dir in my home dir
22:14 < Kalium> hehehe: evolution has an advanced search in the "search" menu option
22:15 < dgurney> I'm pretty sure thunderbird uses a database instead of a huge text file
22:15 < Kalium> one of the search options is email body, that should do you
22:15 < pfred1> dgurney it's that fancy I know I've transferred the directory around
22:16 < pfred1> I think I've even looked at it and it looked plain text to me
22:16 < pfred1> evne the inline images are in it
22:16 < hehehe> evolution seem to be crappy, get stuck often
22:16 < hehehe> and wont connect to imap
22:17 < hehehe> pfred1: whats your experience like with thunderbird?
22:17 < pfred1> hehehe it's a GUI email client
22:17 < pfred1> no great shakes but it gets the job done
22:17 < dgurney> hehehe, my experience with it is good
22:17 < dgurney> well worth using for most people I think
22:17 < pfred1> I'm sure pine users sneer at the thought
22:17 < Kalium> Thunderbird works reasonably well, it's also got some nice consolidation if you want to use it for IRC
22:18 < hehehe> pine? what is pine
22:18 < dnnl> i used claws mail a while back, it wasnt horrible
22:18 < pfred1> an old CLI email client
22:18 < Kalium> hehehe: terminal client
22:18 < hehehe> oki
22:18 < pfred1> if you run Linux you probably have it
22:18 < Kalium> if mutt is the vim of mail clients, pine is nano
22:18 < pfred1> even if you've never seen it
22:19  * Kalium uses mutt when they can't be bothered to use thunderbird/webmail
22:19 < pfred1> wow pine is not installed on this system
22:19 < pfred1> horray!
22:19 < Kalium> pine is pretty nice, it's the place nano came from, since pine came with the pico editor.
22:19 < pfred1> now nano i like
22:20 < pfred1> that is my go to CLI text editor
22:21 < hehehe> I am in London MCD now
22:21 < hehehe> sits were sticky ..
22:21 < Kalium> oh, mcdonalds
22:21 < hehehe> next time I will use sanitary wipes before sitting there lol
22:21 < dnnl> how is the queue looking?
22:21 < hehehe> atm about 10 people
22:22 < hehehe> some people dressed in all black, arabs lol
22:22 < pfred1> get out while you still can
22:22 < Kalium> :|
22:22 < dgurney> vim and emacs are my favorite editors. vim for quick edits, emacs (w/ spacemacs in evil mode) when I work on larger stuff
22:23 < dgurney> admittedly I'm still learning the latter but it's pretty nice
22:23 < dgurney> anyway, I'm sure nobody cares
22:23 < Kalium> dgurney: spacemacs looks real fun
22:23 < pfred1> the only edits i ever do had better be quick ones
22:23 < Kalium> the less you write the fewer bugs you get
22:23 < pfred1> Kalium don't bet on it
22:23 < noqnio1> both vim and emacs?? no no no no this is not how this works
22:23 < noqnio1> you need to pick ONE.
22:24 < leopard> anyone know how to get irssi to work with tabbed urxvt?
22:24 < noqnio1> and battle the enemy
22:24 < Kalium> leopard: what's "work" mean? irssi in one tab?
22:24 < dgurney> noqnio1, heh :P well, I'm of the mindset that sometimes the best solution is both
22:24 < pfred1> leopard /window new hide
22:24 < Kalium> yeah, also I think the editor wars are basically over now
22:24 < leopard> yes, irssi has taken over all my tabs
22:24 < noqnio1> yeah ever since notepad++ came out
22:25 < sauvin> GEany!
22:25 < leopard> like I can't switch to the other terminal tab I had open
22:25 < leopard> I have to open a new instance of urxvtc
22:25 < dgurney> notepad++ is pretty nice, I agree
22:25 < pfred1> I'd like a better GUI text editor
22:25 < Eryn_1983_FL> i got it peeps
22:25 < Kalium> pfred1: VSCode?
22:25 < noqnio1> yeah geany is nice, i only discovered it recently
22:25 < pfred1> Kalium I just edit notes files
22:26 < Kalium> I'm a vim user, but VScode is pretty good as an editor in general, plus the second best vim-emulation plugin I've ever used
22:26 < noqnio1> am I the only one that despises the new trendy editors such as atom and sublime ?
22:26 < pfred1> right now I'm using xfwrite and it's OK
22:26 < Kalium> leopard: oh, is irssi eating the inputs?
22:26 < dgurney> noqnio1, you aren't, but that's okay
22:26 < dgurney> as for vscode, I've heard good things about it
22:26 < pfred1> I used ot use kwrite but I don't KDE anymore
22:26 < Kalium> noqnio1: atom starts up too slow and eats too much memory for my taste, but I hear mostly good things about sublime aside from beign closed source
22:26 < dgurney> perhaps I'll give it a go later
22:27 < sauvin> I looked at atom briefly, can't say anything appealed to me enough to take me away from geany.
22:27 < hehehe> btw is MS about to aquire github?
22:27 < pfred1> but i liked kwrite so I'd like an editor like it
22:27 < hehehe> I habe heard something
22:27 < leopard> Kalium: no, urxvt recognizes that I'm switching tabs, but they're all irssi
22:27 < hehehe> *have
22:27 < dgurney> hehehe, they're talking about it
22:27 < sauvin> hehehe, they're talking about it.
22:27 < dgurney> sauvin, timing
22:27 < dgurney> :P
22:27 < sauvin> :P
22:27 < pfred1> leopard I use irssi in urxvt and I have no tabs
22:28 < leopard> I'm using the 'tabbed' perl plugin
22:28 < pfred1> well then there's your problem
22:29 < hehehe> dgurney: I googled your name and race car driver came on top :)
22:29 < leopard> it's not really a problem, just a minor annoyance
22:29 < hehehe> interesting
22:29 < dgurney> hehehe, yeah I know
22:29 < hehehe> and btw - installed thunderbird and it works well
22:29 < noqnio1> hehehe, your name distorts the meaning of every sentence
22:29 < noqnio1> hehehe, it is funny
22:30 < dgurney> hehehe: works quite well for me honestly, means less embarrassing stuff about me coming up
22:30 < dgurney> :P
22:30 < triceratux> hehehe: & thats all we know at this time :) https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/06/microsoft-buying-github
22:31 < pfred1> hehehe what's the word? Thunderbird! What's the price? A dollar twice! What's the action? Satisfaction!
22:31 < hehehe> talking about funny - Primark UK - installed 80s 90s pacman boxes in it stores
22:31 < markasoftware> what is the critical difference pulseaudio makes between a microphone and an application that is playing audio?
22:31 < hehehe> so you can shop and play pacman
22:31 < markasoftware> since they are both emitting audio
22:31 < hehehe> *its
22:31 < pfred1> packman wockka wokka
22:33 < pfred1> I was never a fan even back in the day Pacman was for casuals
22:33 < pfred1> Robotron 2084 was my game
22:34 < dgurney> https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422752/microsoft-github-acquisition-rumors
22:34 < dgurney> well shit, if true
22:34 < dgurney> oops, sorry for the swear
22:34 < pfred1> they finally figured out a way to sink us
22:35 < pfred1> the borg are taking over the clones!
22:35 < ThoMe> hiho
22:35 < hehehe> pfred1: https://www.gamasutra.com/view/pressreleases/317967/THE_PRIMARK_ARCADE_CALLING_ALL_RETRO_GAMING_FANS.php
22:36 < hehehe> pac man champion was there :D
22:36 < pfred1> robotron never translated to the PC
22:36 < ThoMe> when i want grep for sda or hda or xvda, or sdb, sdb, xvdb what is the correct regex
22:36 < ThoMe> this one? [hsx][v]?d[a-z]
22:36 < pfred1> the controls are to oawkward
22:37 < markasoftware> ThoMe: might be a bit better to do ([ha]|xv)d[a-z]
22:37 < markasoftware> so that it can't match svdb
22:37 < markasoftware> sorryf, ([hs]|xv)d[a-z]
22:38 < hehehe> pfred1: I used to have access to robotron :D
22:38 < hehehe> and many 'old' things like atari, spectrum
22:39 < pfred1> it was hard to fine a robe machine in good shape
22:39 < ThoMe> markasoftware: ok. thank you .-)
22:39 < hehehe> yep
22:39 < pfred1> them joysticks took a beating
22:39 < pfred1> I knew a guy that could beat the machine
22:40 < pfred1> he'd play until it overheated and shut down
22:40 < pfred1> the best score he ever managed was 18 million before it pink screened on him
22:40 < hehehe> lol
22:41 < pfred1> then he asked for his quarter back
22:41 < pfred1> after playing for 4 hours
22:42 < pfred1> we called him Ming the Merciless
22:42 < pfred1> because he was this Chinese kid and his name really was Ming
22:42 < pfred1> he was good at a lot of games
22:43 < pfred1> like he found a bug in Dragon's Lair
22:50 < hehehe> well guess what I now met some somalian girls from MCD
22:50 < hehehe> looking for new friends :D
22:50 < hehehe> also thunderbird - it says passwd is wrong for one account but... I can login via www
22:50 < hehehe> with same pass - how I can troubleshoot it?
22:52 < malditasea> thanks its done via polari
22:54 < Florian9028> hi, can somebody help me with apache2 speedproblem?
22:55 < DLange> s
22:55 < DLange> sure, Florian9028. Don't ask to ask...
22:56 < Florian9028> thats great Dange
22:56 < Florian9028> DLange*
22:56 < Florian9028> i have a speedproblem via http i think, apache2 has speedlimit
22:57 < Florian9028> Daniel, you speak german?
22:58 < DLange> this channel is English, Florian9028
22:59 < Florian9028> okay sorry. Maybe you can help me. Server bandwith is 100/1000Mbit, but apache2 speed (downlaodspeed with client) will be always limit to 2,5Mb /sec
22:59 < Florian9028> My Internetspeed is 100Mbit
23:00 < DLange> and your upstream bandwidth is?
23:00 < Florian9028> i will make a speedtest now.
23:00 < Florian9028> Download: 497.12 Mbit/s  Upload: 255.99 Mbit/s
23:01 < Florian9028> (serverspeed)
23:01 < Florian9028> (my internetspeed is download 100Mbit/s upload: 40Mbit/s)
23:02 < Florian9028> but i think that is not the problem. I think apache2 is limited the speed to clients
23:03 < markasoftware> so nobody knows pulseaudio i guess?
23:03 < markasoftware> i don't blame ya
23:03 < hehehe> I use it a bit
23:03 < hehehe> what about it?
23:03 < markasoftware> what the main differences are between a playback stream and a source
23:03 < hehehe> that I don't know
23:03 < markasoftware> and sort of why they decided to make them separate in the first place, unlike in jack where they're the same
23:04 < DLange> Florian9028: 40Mbit/s is ~5MB/s, so that means what you see with two simultaneous clients is quite o.k.
23:05 < Florian9028> sorry DLange i mean apache runs on a Server with Download: 497.12 Mbit/s  Upload: 255.99 Mbit/s
23:06 < DLange> so where do you see the 2.5 MB/s then?
23:06 < Florian9028> thats the speed when i download from this server
23:06 < Florian9028> via http
23:06 < Florian9028> but with ftp speed is 11.5MB/s
23:07 < DLange> and that server is hosted in a datacenter somewhere?
23:07 < Florian9028> yes in a datacenter
23:07 < Florian9028> i think the failure is on apache
23:07 < DLange> plain http or https?
23:07 < Florian9028> same with ip/http/https
23:08 < Florian9028> but if i use "jdownloader" maybe 5 Connection to a download" the speed will be maximum (11,5MB/s)
23:10 < DLange> did you check the config to NOT have mod_ratelimit enabled?
23:10 < Florian9028> i will check it, now.
23:11 < Florian9028> i cant see "mod_ratelimit" in the "mods_enabled" folder
23:13 < Florian9028> can i send the list with all enabled mods in the chat?
23:13 < DLange> put it into https://paste.linux.community
23:14 < Florian9028> https://paste.linux.community/view/16baf0e7
23:15 < Florian9028> thanks in advance DLange
23:15 < DLange> uuh, that's a lot
23:16 < DLange> may be one connection is http2 but your jdownloader does http(s)
23:16 < Florian9028> i try the ip with jdownloader
23:17 < Florian9028> tried*
23:17 < DLange> and jdownloader with one connection to the server reaches what speed?
23:18 < Florian9028> i will test it now.
23:19 < brutser> anyone around who can help me with setup for sound with kvm/libvirt and centos? i really cannot get it to work.. :/
23:21 < Florian9028> i´ve just download via the server 1GB File with speed 115MB/s. With my homepc the downloadspeed from the Server with Chrome is (3,8 MB/s - 34,6 MB von 1.000 MB, 4 Min. left)
23:22 < pfred1> brutser did you open a mixer and unmute it?
23:22 < Florian9028> with jdownloader the same speed with 1 connection
23:22 < DLange> and wget http://your-server/the/1GB/file  gets you what speed?
23:22 < DLange> (Chrome is useless for debugging)
23:22 < Florian9028> with 6 connection the speed is 11,5MB
23:23 < Florian9028> with my homepc?
23:23 < DLange> well, wget from anywhere basically as long as it is well connected and not the bottleneck itself
23:24 < brutser> pfred1: yes, but i installed minimal centos with virtualization host package and minimal mate desktop - for some reason it's giving issues, if you can help me just get at least some sound over spice, then i can worry later about latency and quality of it
23:24 < Florian9028> okay i will download it with server and homepc
23:24 < pfred1> brutser the other thing that usually gets me is the hardware selected
23:25 < pfred1> brutser my PC has like 4 sound devices in it and i only have speakers hooked up to one of them so if the OS uses any other I don't hear it
23:25 < brutser> yea i tried ac97 ich6 and ich9
23:25 < brutser> yes i don't care if the guest occupies the sound, i actually not need sound on the host
23:25 < Florian9028> 1GB.bin                          100%[=========================================================>]   1000M   452MB/s    in 2,2s
23:25 < brutser> only in the vm
23:26 < DLange> Florian9028: that looks good
23:26 < DLange> so your PC may be the problem, or Chrome or whatever
23:26 < Florian9028> thanks i´ve already checked the hd from server and bandwith, also the hddspeed from homepc and bandwith
23:27 < pfred1> yeah after I get that sorted out I always have sound
23:27 < Florian9028> i think its a config problem with apache2 or with debian
23:27 < Florian9028> i will test ftp speed now.
23:27 < DLange> why do you think it is a problem with apache if you can download from that apache with wget at full speed?
23:28 < Florian9028> hmm you´ve right
23:28 < Florian9028> maybe routing problem?
23:28 < DLange> no idea, _not_ apache
23:29 < DLange> measuring well is a hard problem
23:29 < pfred1> It's over https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github
23:29 < pfred1> we're doomed!
23:29 < pfred1> we got sold out for 50 pieces of silver
23:29 < Florian9028> maybe how can i test it?
23:30 < DLange> pfred1: they have LinkedIn for the office folks and github for the web devs. Same thing, show-off-your-CV websites
23:31 < Florian9028> i´ve already install speedtest on the server. the speed is very well
23:31 < DLange> Florian9028: well, wget works fast, Chrome does not. Try firefox or Edge (you're on Windows anyways).
23:32 < Florian9028> okay. first i try ftp connection
23:32 < Florian9028> sftp speedlimit with 3,9MB/s
23:33 < Florian9028> proftpd speedlimit 3,8MB/s
23:34 < DLange> so your system seems to be limited per TCP connection
23:34 < Florian9028> but uplaod speedtest on server is Upload: 263.63 Mbit/s
23:34 < Florian9028> okay can you give me a downloadlink?
23:35 < Florian9028> for testing?
23:35 < DLange> for what?
23:36 < Florian9028> you mean the server is limited the tcp connection?
23:36 < Florian9028> i have running fail2ban. But already disabled it.
23:36 < Florian9028> same problem
23:36 < DLange> or your "destination" that you measure from (=download to)
23:37 < DLange> by measuring from somewhere else you can find out whether your home connection limits per TCP connection or the server (hoster) does
23:38 < Florian9028> do you know a website, where i can download from different locations for testing?
23:38 < DLange> start a VM on DigitalOcean
23:38 < DLange> costs pennies
23:39 < DLange> same on Amazon (AWS)
23:39 < Florian9028> okay i will think about it.
23:40 < Florian9028> i will try my mobilephone with download
23:41 < Florian9028> oh the speed is 11,5MB
23:42 < Florian9028> so windows is the problem?
23:42 < Florian9028> i will check it with laptop...
23:43 < Florian9028> Laptop, Desktop PC will limit it to 4MB/s. With my mobilephone (all in the same Wlan) the speed will be 11,5MB/s
23:44 < Florian9028>  That is very strange
23:44 < toothe> Is there a way in sed or awk to remove a single line of a file?
23:44 < toothe> specifically, my known_hosts file.
23:44 < toothe> .ssh/known_hosts
23:45 < DLange> move closer to the AP with the laptop. Use 5GHz wifi ...
23:45 < Florian9028> oh sorry desktop pc is with lan
23:45 < Florian9028> laptop/mobilphone with wlan
23:46 < DLange> toothe: ssh-keygen -R <hostname or IP>
23:46 < DLange> man ssh-keygen for the glory details
23:46 < Florian9028> 2,4Ghz wifi will limit to 50Mbit, isnt it?
23:47 < DLange> usually _much_ less
23:47 < Florian9028> okay
23:48 < Florian9028> thats so strange. i have no virus protection turn on that will limit it
23:48 < lord_rob> Hi! I have a .bin file which is an image I have to flash to a usb key. How do I do this ? dd if=image.bin of=/dev/sdc ?
23:48 < DLange> lord_rob: yes, double check the /dev/sdc  or you can ruin a hard disk
23:49 < DLange> bs=4096 makes stuff faster
23:49 < lord_rob> always ? no risk of data corruption ?
23:50 < DLange> always what?
23:50 < lord_rob> bs=4096
23:50 < Random832> i'd go with at least 32768
23:50 < sauvin> That's just a transfer block size.
23:50 < DLange> well, typical block size for things that try to be a harddisk
23:50 < lord_rob> ah I see
23:50 < Random832> and tbh there's not really *much* reason not to use a larger block size like 1M
23:51 < Florian9028> i will check the router now. Thank you very much DLange. So i know the problem is not apache and not the server.
23:51 < sauvin> Random832, use too small a block size and the whole process devolves to a "get a byte, put a byte" thing. Use too LARGE a block size, and paradoxically the same thing happens.
23:52 < lord_rob> I thought bs=(...) had another meaning
23:52 < Random832> ...huh?
23:52 < Random832> that makes no sense
23:53 < sauvin> Test it with very large source and destination. Vary the block sizes. Plot the results.
23:53 < Random832> look i get that at a certain point you wouldn't get a benefit and it might have *some* overhead cost
23:53 < sauvin> And then think for a while on how something like dd even works.
23:53 < Dr_Coke> This is terrible news for open source
23:53 < Dr_Coke> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-GitHub-Reported-Deal
23:53 < Random832> but saying it "devolves to get a byte put a byte" is ridiculous
23:53 < Dr_Coke> Microsoft apparently bought github
23:54 < DLange> Dr_Coke: it is not. Github has never been open source
23:54 < Random832> and 1M isn't that large
23:54 < Dr_Coke> And my coding is on there
23:54 < Dr_Coke> from some learn to code website
23:55 < Dr_Coke> it stores it there
23:55 < Dr_Coke> DLange don't you think Microsoft wants to do something bad
23:55 < DLange> Dr_Coke: git clone   and it is on a hard disk you own (or at least control)
23:55 < DLange> Dr_Coke: they'll ruin it like all their acquisitions
23:56 < Dr_Coke> DLange I can't believe github could even sell it to Microsoft
23:56 < Random832> anyway i found http://blog.tdg5.com/tuning-dd-block-size/
23:56 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: well now you get to progress from learn to code to learn to admin keeping yer source one step ahead of the evil micro$loth
23:56 < Random832> "get a byte put a byte" is an exaggeration in any case (they didn't even test bs=1)
23:57 < Dr_Coke> triceratux I can't believe this isn't a legal issue
23:57 < Florian9028> i will try tcp optimizer
23:57 < Dr_Coke> for everyone who puts code up there
23:58 < Dr_Coke> DLange and triceratux isn't a lot of work for linux stored on github
23:58 < Dr_Coke> like gnome and kde
23:58 < Dr_Coke> etc
23:59 < DLange> nah, usually only mirrors
23:59 < pfred1> pretty soon we'll all be running Windows
23:59 < DLange> save some folks like funtoo which are nervous now :)
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