--- Log opened Sat Jun 09 00:00:19 2018
--- Day changed Sat Jun 09 2018
00:00 < ciscon> if it's getting so hot that it actually turns itself off, you probably have an issue with cooling- even my old macbook wouldn't get so hot it would turn itself off, and it stayed hot for so long the battery warped the mouse pad
00:00 < koala_man> device specific acpi settings should be ensuring that the system operates within standard temperatures, but manufacturers often don't test it on linux
00:01 < jeffree> my syslog has some entries like trim_stale_devices+0xbb/0x150, what does this mean?
00:01 < jgkamat> yes, the laptop has terrible cooling, and compensates for that with the hw switch
00:01 < ciscon> i'd guess ssd trimming, but someone else may know better
00:01 < jgkamat> never going to by hp again :P
00:02 < ciscon> nope, i'm an idiot, it's hotplugging
00:02 < koala_man> ciscon: sometimes it's just because the dsdt table is fudged up so that the cpu doesn't downclock and the fans don't turn on. it's relatively rare but possible
00:02 < ciscon> oh god, hp hardware- eck
00:04 < ciscon> koala_man: i can imagine breaky/buggy/untested stuff having issues like that, can't say i've ever seen it though, at least not on anything recent enough to attempt to control itself in any way and not have a specific kernel driver for said control (like the powermacs)
00:04 < twainwek> jgkamat: hwo long have you had that laptop?
00:04 < jgkamat> twainwek: it's about 6 years old
00:04 < twainwek> i had a laptop that developed heating issues overtime and i ended up changing the fan to fix it
00:04 < jeffree> ciscon: I thought it was related to my ssd problems. it's only present in my most recent 'syslog' and not older ones
00:04 < ciscon> jeffree: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/6441161/
00:05 < ciscon> (probably unrelated, but you get the gist)
00:05 < twainwek> jgkamat: if it's gotten worse overtime i'd suggest popping it open and taking a look inside
00:05 < ciscon> something is probably just triggering that, i wouldn't worry about it unless you're inundated with those messages or you have any problems heh
00:05 < ciscon> or just blasting it with canned air from every angle :P
00:05 < jgkamat> I might do that eventually, I just want a quick solution and I'm fine with throttling and not getting good performance for now :P
00:06 < jgkamat> the air definetly would make it better
00:06 < twainwek> ya and if you have access to those air compressors, they work even better than the cans
00:07 < twainwek> they'll blow out a mouse if it's stuck there and small enough
00:07 < ciscon> just hold the can upside down and spray it in there, just make sure to never ever stop
00:07 < unixfreak> hey, anyone know what that website is with dotfiles/configs/Xresources etc... it had a brown/yellow/dark theme (ive completely forgotten the name of it)
00:08 < twainwek> upside down? then put it on rice?
00:08 < ciscon> no rice, just never stop blasting canned air in there and it'll stay frost and not turn to liquid :)
00:09 < gunqqerfriithian> it's been almost an hour, <1/4 of the way restoring my /home
00:09 < gunqqerfriithian> ugh
00:10 < MikeFromIT> unixfreak is dotshare.it what you're looiking for?
00:10 < jeffree> so when you disable ipv6 in network manager it doesn't disable ipv6
00:10 < jeffree> that's cool
00:10 < unixfreak> yes that's it! i literally just found it on duckduckgo as you typed that :P
00:10 < unixfreak> thx though
00:10 < bls> network manager is a special tool
00:10 < Fieldy> jeffree: it just "ignores" it. you gotta set some sysctl params and a boot param to really shut it off
00:11 < jeffree> since you guys are familiar I can guess you have also had the problem of dropped  connections with ipv6?
00:11 < Fieldy> nah i just don't use it at all
00:12 < jeffree> hmm, I would have thought to turn it off if it works
00:12 < bls> I wasn't having any issues with IPv6 when I had it working
00:14 < bls> need to sit down and get it working again
00:14 < jeffree> is anyone familiar with trim_stale_devices in syslog? google provides surprisingly few results
00:14 < tds> I run a single stack v6 network, it all works quite nicely :)
00:18 < Elladan> I tried to get IPv6 working but just gave up due to problems with router/ISP. :-(
00:20 < bls> that's what ended up happening to me, upgraded OS on router, ISP stopped giving me the info needed to use IPv6
00:21 < macwinner> what the best way to see the timestamp of the latest modified/created file in a director?
00:22 < macwinner> i need to see if my /var/run/haproxy.pid is older than this timestamp. if so, i want to reload haproxy
00:22 < jeffree> mackal: ls -ls
00:23 < macwinner> jeffree: sorry, i meant within a shell script
00:24 < jeffree> mackal: sorry not -s, -t is sort by time
00:24 < bls> macwinner: stat
00:25 < jeffree> I guess people aren't familiar with ssd problems
00:26 < bls> if [ "$(stat --printf '%Y' /var/run/haproxy.pid)" -gt 123456789 ]; then service haproxy reload; fi
00:27 < macwinner> bls: ahh.. i can get the modification date of teh haproxy.pid fine, but trying to get the filename of the last modified file in /etc/haproxy/certbot/ directory
00:27 < macwinner> then i can do -nt or -ot
00:29 < macwinner> anything wrong with this: "ls -t /etc/haproxy/certbot/ | tail -1"
00:29 < guru------1--> Anyone familiar with dd? I'm trying to write an image to an sd card with "dd bs=4M if=imagename.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 conv=fsync status=progress" The path to the sd card is correct and it writes to 100%, but the old contents remains there. I don't see any write protect feature on the sd card.
00:30 < bls> for f in /etc/haproxy/certbot/*;do stat --printf '%Y %n\n' "${f}";done | sort -r | sed 1q
00:30 < bls> that'd work too, although parsing the output of ls is generally bad practice
00:31 < IslandPotato> Hey, im having a hard time understanding why my vboxsf shares won't work after a reboot, but do if I reinstall the vboxadditions on linux guest (win host)
00:32 < koala_man> macwinner: you can trick it by crafting filenames, but if you don't expect malicious files it's fine
00:33 < koala_man> guru------1--: how are you checking the contents?
00:33 < guru------1--> Is DD overwriting the partition?
00:33 < macwinner> thanks!
00:33 < guru------1--> with mates file manager
00:33 < guru------1--> once i remove the sd card and reinsert it i get the same file list
00:33 < koala_man> guru------1--: oh, yes, you do indeed appear to be overwriting a single partition. maybe you wanted /dev/mmcblk0 instead?
00:34 < macwinner> got it working with: lastfile=`ls -tr /etc/haproxy/certbot/ | tail -1`
00:34 < guru------1--> i tried that as well
00:34 < guru------1--> ===> /dev/mmcblk0p1   30G  388M   30G   2% /media/guru/6538-3834
00:34 < guru------1--> is what i see in df -h
00:34 < koala_man> guru------1--: make sure it's unmounted for all of this
00:34 < guru------1--> i'll try mmcblk0 again thanks
00:34 < bls> macwinner: would recommended you run your script through shellcheck.net
00:34 < guru------1--> koala_man i'll try that thanks
00:35 < guru------1--> yeah it was mounted
00:35 < guru------1--> i mounted it so i could see the drive volume with df -h to specify the right pat
00:35 < guru------1--> that must be the issue
00:35 < guru------1--> -path
00:36 < macwinner> bls, thanks for the tip.. it found some neat stuff.
00:37 < gunqqerfriithian> almost half way does with /home restore :\ urgh
00:37 < IslandPotato> Anyone familiar with guest additions and what services might be modules/failing on reboot?
00:37 < IslandPotato> services/modules*
00:40 < bls> macwinner: heh, thank koala_man
00:42 < kerframil> macwinner: should you want a particularly safe method: read -rd '' _ lastfile < <(find /etc/haproxy/certbot -maxdepth 1 -type f -printf '%T@ %p\0' | sort -rzn)
00:44 < macwinner> thanks!
00:46 < justsomeguy> What monitoring software should someone looking into job hunting for a Jr. Linux Admin position learn first? Nagios, greylog?
00:47 < macwinner> justsomeguy: i love zabbix.. use to use nagios a lot until i found it
00:48 < bls> nagios is probably going to be your best bet as a starting point, but also check out zabbix, cacti, elasticsearch/logstash, splunk
00:48 < mgolisch> we use check_mk
00:48 < justsomeguy> macwinner: I hadn't heard of zabbix before. The interface looks very slick. Thanks.
00:49 < justsomeguy> bls: I'm getting the strong feeling that nagios is the most popular. I'll start with that, I think.
00:49 < gunqqerfriithian> bit over 1/2 on restoring my /home. Sigh
00:49 < ciscon> i used zabbix at one point, but it was far too much for simple monitoring- nagios is always my goto- groundwork if you want to get more complicated
00:49 < bls> justsomeguy: it probably is simply due to momentum more than anything else
00:50 < macwinner> nagios most popular.  zabbix definitely best imo.  Have done large scale network monitoring with over 25k routers using a bunch of different tools.
00:50 < macwinner> including commercial ones.. but if you are looking for jobs, nagios probably the way to go
00:51 < mgolisch> something that uses an agent is probably better at larger scale, the std active nagios checks are quite problematic with bigger environments
00:52 < slondr> i fixed my kde issues btw
00:52 < slondr> the relevant files were just in .config
01:10 < gunqqerfriithian> I hate things that give a progress bar but no number
01:13 < hpotter> The time gone have a number, but no progress bar.
01:13 < michael2> hi. Im have a laptop with no X and I need to know how much battery I have left. does anyone know how to check laptop battery  remaining out of /proc or /sys or somewhere like that?
01:15 < hpotter> https://askubuntu.com/questions/69556/how-to-check-battery-status-using-terminal
01:15 < oerheks> acpi -t # you might need to install something
01:20 < NewbProgrammer10> Hello. Is this channel active?
01:21 < gunqqerfriithian> no we all just sit and stare at our computers\
01:21 < gunqqerfriithian> :P
01:21 < gunqqerfriithian> nah we active a bit
01:21 < NewbProgrammer10> Ok.
01:21 < NewbProgrammer10> :)
01:21 < Sveta> hi NewbProgrammer10 :-)
01:21 < NewbProgrammer10> Does Pidgin work well as an IRC client?
01:21 < NewbProgrammer10> I'm using it rn.
01:22 < gunqqerfriithian> pidgin isn't bad
01:22 < Sveta> no, it doesn't show you much info about how irc works
01:22 < Sveta> try quassel irc instead, it's friendly too
01:22 < NewbProgrammer10> I know of Weechat and how it's very customizable and lightweight...
01:22 < gunqqerfriithian> I personaly use KVIrc
01:22 < NewbProgrammer10> What about Kopete?
01:22 < gunqqerfriithian> lol best way to get a chat active here is to ask about what $software is best
01:23 < NewbProgrammer10> Ye.
01:23 < NewbProgrammer10> I've had much experience in all kinds of different Linux communities :P
01:23 < kerframil> NewbProgrammer10: if you want to get the best out of IRC, use something that's focused on IRC exclusively. pidgin is not a good client, for example.
01:23 < gunqqerfriithian> pidgin is fine if all you want to do is get into a chat and nothing else
01:24 < NewbProgrammer10> I see.
01:24 < NewbProgrammer10> Thanks.
01:24 < rascul> there is no shortage of irc clients, for whatever you want our of your irc client
01:24 < gunqqerfriithian> or just use the webclient kappa
01:26 < gunqqerfriithian> (im currently doing that due to the system store I'm doing )
01:26 < NewbProgrammer10> I hear a ton of people use Hexchat.
01:26 < NewbProgrammer10> Is it good?
01:26 < Pentode> i like it.
01:27 < mgolisch> weechat > *
01:27 < Pentode> i mean, its got pretty much everything you need in a client.
01:27 < Pentode> plus a decent interface
01:27 < Pentode> weechat is nice if you are a cli addict ;)
01:28 < gunqqerfriithian> don't tempt me!
01:28 < Pentode> lol
01:28 < Pentode> i don't mind using command line for IRC but it's just _easier_ using a graphical app. and im lazy so easy is good.
01:28 < gunqqerfriithian> I already have like 7-8 konsole windows open
01:29 < Pentode> don't get me wrong, cli is, well. everything. i just don't always like it for IRC. i don't have the screen space really, either.
01:29 < gunqqerfriithian> I use workspaces and a second monitor
01:30 < Pentode> i have another monitor for this machine but it's a backup. it's larger but i don't like it as much as the smaller one. :|
01:30 < acresearch> people i have setup my xfce environment (almost - still missing 2-3 things) but i want to back it up, so if i decide to reformat my computer i don't have to resetup everything again, i can just restor it, how can i do that? what is the proper way?
01:30 < koala_man> I love it for IRC when you can just reattach from any ssh client
01:30 < Pentode> i mean, it's not half as good as this one image quality wise.
01:30 < gunqqerfriithian> I have a larger monitor, physically, but it's smaller res and squarer
01:31 < aerozoic> acresearch, i've not used it yet but i think timeshift will do that.
01:33 < Loshki> There are times when it really is better to go gui. gparted is perhaps the best example of a gui that really does 'save lives' over the cli. Hexchat is handy if you want to juggle a large number of channels.
01:33 < gunqqerfriithian> yeah there's a lot of times where I just use CLI to impress people around me
01:34 < gunqqerfriithian> Sometimes I hear people say "oh he's a hacker" and I feel something
01:34 < Pentode> acresearch, the easiest way would be to just backup your home dir. just omit big data sortof things. unless of course you want to back them up, too.
01:34 < gunqqerfriithian> other times I go "oh come on it's just a cli it's not ***** hacking"
01:35 < Toadisattva> be sure to set your command line to green text on a black background matrix style, it's the mark of a tru hax0r :P
01:35 < Pentode> lol
01:35 < Pentode> you could get that matrix ascii app thing i think i've seen (right?) run that in a console or two
01:36 < acresearch> Pentode: i have a lof of large files in my home (already backup anyway) can't i just isolate what is relevent? i think in the old xfce there was an .xfce file that i would just back up and that is it, but the new xfce does not seem to have it, so i am not sure if there is a "better" way we should save our themes and settings
01:36 < Pentode> or write one. easy enough, lol.
01:36 < gunqqerfriithian> cmatrix, pentode
01:36 < Pentode> haha. thanks.
01:36 < storge> green text meh, use lolcat for happy goodness
01:36 < gunqqerfriithian> and ofc I use green on black always
01:36 < Loshki> acresearch: your xfce is mostly under /home. You should keep a backup of /home anyway just because disks fail. If you keep backups of /home and /etc you can recover from most anything.
01:36 < Pentode> you have it, don't you? ;p
01:36 < gunqqerfriithian> why wouldn't I
01:37 < acresearch> Loshki: i can't seem to find it under home
01:37 < kerframil> acresearch: ~/.config for example
01:37 < Pentode> it's in .config
01:37 < acresearch> kerframil: found it
01:38 < acresearch> kerframil: Loshki so just this file (lets say i want someone else to use my theme exactly) should i just send them this directory?
01:38 < acresearch> anything else with it?
01:38 < Pentode> themes are in ~/.themes and /usr/share/themes/
01:39 < Pentode> if they already have it, ofcourse, then just the config stuff will work.
01:39 < gunqqerfriithian> 7/8th of the restore done
01:40 < Pentode> though xfce makes changes to ~/.config/gtk* as well and maybe even ~/.gtk* though im not sure
01:40 < kerframil> and ~/.local/share/themes
01:40 < Pentode> and under the bed
01:41 < Pentode> _sometimes_
01:42 < acresearch> kerframil: Pentode hmmmm seems it is not just one thing to backup/trade ha?
01:42 < Pentode> yeah nothing is ever really simple is it? lol
01:42 < gunqqerfriithian> never
01:42 < gunqqerfriithian> ayo done restoring all pictures
01:42 < aerozoic> acresearch did you look at timeshift?
01:43 < kerframil> acresearch: it was much worse when applications were still spraying dotfiles everywhere in the top-level of one's home directory. of course, that still happens to an extent.
01:43 < gunqqerfriithian> kerframil: looking at my home with ls -A, it happens a fair ammouht :\
01:44 < Pentode> yeah it used to be ludicrous
01:44 < kerframil> as concerns XFCE, .config should get you most of the way there. if you use custom themes, you should determine where they are installed.
01:44 < gunqqerfriithian> and with 95% of them I can't speficy where the software should put the files
01:44 < gunqqerfriithian> so I've given up
01:45 < Pentode> you just have to put them out of your mind.
01:46 < gunqqerfriithian> just dont use -A in your ls alias
01:46 < gunqqerfriithian> if ya can't see it it doesn't exist *taps head*
01:46 < alexandre9099> hi, is there any network fs that downloads files to client on demand (similar to what btfs -k does with torrents)
01:46 < alexandre9099> ?
01:46 < acresearch> i don't really want to use timeshift because i don't want to backup my ENTIRE system, just the theme
01:49 < alexandre9099> the filesystem on the client can be read only
01:52 < acresearch> is there any sensitive information in the .config file?  can i upload it to a public website like github?
01:54 < dannylee> ok
01:55 < kerframil> acresearch: I would not advise injudiciously committing your entire .config directory to a public repo, no
01:57 < acresearch> kerframil: dam,     what about re-configuring my theming and setup using the CLI? is there a way to script the way i change the theme so i can just run it after a frech install?
01:57 < acresearch> kerframil: or send it to someone who is interested?
01:59 < kerframil> acresearch: if you're just sending a theme then send the theme
01:59 < kerframil> acresearch: for configuration stuff, walk .config and pick the directories that are obviously applicable
01:59 < kerframil> most of the XFCE maintained directories are reasonably hygienic
02:00 < kerframil> if you're not going to check what you're sending though, it's ultimately on you
02:01 < kerframil> you could also just establish your preferences under a throwaway user account
02:01 < kerframil> rather than trying to extract them from the account that you use on a daily basis
02:04 < acresearch> kerframil: ok thanks :-)
02:11 < syb0rg> hey, does anyone know a good app for clipboard sharing between two linux machines? It only has to work on the same LAN.
02:12 < yaldak> syb0rg: synergy shares clipboard, mouse, keyboard
02:13 < syb0rg> then I will check it out, yaldak
02:13 < yaldak> good luck
02:13 < yaldak> not oss
02:13 < syb0rg> oh okay, well thanks for the tip anyway
02:13 < syb0rg> I should have specified open source
02:14 < yaldak> theres always multiseat x lol (not serious)
02:15 < syb0rg> I am using x2x right now, but although I have heard it has a clipboad sharing feature that seems not to be functional
02:15 < syb0rg> I have also been trying to use xclip but haven't gotten it to cooperate yet
02:15 < syb0rg> xclip over ssh
02:16 < rypervenche> syb0rg: Synergy is GPL-2
02:16 < syb0rg> hmm
02:17 < yaldak> not for all features
02:17 < Indentist> hello there, apparently I changed the language of my desktop in the last session, at the end of which I locked the screen, and I can't unlock it now, because the keyboard is set in the last language. There is no gui option to change keyboard language, and I tried setxkbmap command via ctrl+alt+f1, but it didnt help. do I have another way to unlock the screen?
02:17 < syb0rg> well I guess I'll look into it a bit and see whether it is suitable for my needs or not
02:17 < yaldak> its pretty good
02:18 < rypervenche> Indentist: You can log into a TTY and then kill your screen lock program.
02:18 < yaldak> but yeh, depends on your use case
02:18 < Indentist> rypervenche, "log into TTY" means command line access via ctrl+alt+f1 ?
02:19 < rypervenche> Indentist: Yep, then ctrl+alt+f7 to get back once you're done.
02:19 < blackgatonegro> With yahoo chat death, even if no one really was using due to hoe much it sucked in recent years. an era is over.  Anyway, is there any chat servive linux geeks prefer?
02:19 < rypervenche> Indentist: ps aux to find the name of the lock program, then "killall namegoeshere"
02:19 < rypervenche> blackgatonegro: IRC.
02:19 < yaldak> orc
02:19 < yaldak> irc*
02:19 < Fieldy> irc. failing that telegram
02:19 < yaldak> slack and discord are irc knockoffs
02:20 < Fieldy> both are extremely annoying to me... not for me
02:20 < yaldak> agreed, i am forced to use slack for other reasons
02:20 < yaldak> irc been doin all that jazz for years
02:21 < rypervenche> Yeah, something about how Discord is set up I find annoying too. Can't quite put my foot on it. I suppose it's hard to move between channels and see everything on one screen.
02:21 < NewbProgrammer10> Discord is a resource hungry chat application dedicated to gamers.
02:21 < yaldak> I use mIRC on wine, but xchat is very good too...there's bitchx if you've got time
02:21 < blackgatonegro> I use Whatsapp cause my friends and family do not because I like it. Never ever used Facebook.
02:21 < tds> slack also recently disabled their irc gateway, which is annoying
02:21 < NewbProgrammer10> IRC is portable and fast; it's dedicated to everyone.
02:22 < Indentist> rypervenche, I've already got the command line login, but I get tons of lines when I do ps aux. and the names shown are not at all obvious in ways that I can know which one the lock program is
02:22 < rypervenche> yaldak: hexchat is an improved fork of xchat, still getting development too.
02:22 < yaldak> rypervench: yeh have it on my mac, its pretty good!
02:22 < rypervenche> Indentist: What OS and version?
02:22 < blackgatonegro> mIRC is still being used? Wow how nostalgic!
02:22 < Indentist> rypervenche, a debian flavour
02:22 < Indentist> debian 9
02:22 < yaldak> been using mIRC a loooooong time :)
02:22 < rypervenche> Indentist: Real Debian or a fork?
02:22 < Indentist> rypervenche a fork
02:22 < rypervenche> Indentist: What version?
02:22 < Indentist> debian 9 fork
02:22 < rypervenche> Indentist: Can't help if you don't say the actual name of the OS.
02:23 < rypervenche> Every fork is different.
02:23 < Indentist> rypervenche it is called debian voyager. it is not that known
02:23 < Psi-Jack> What if you buy a set of matching forks?
02:23 < rypervenche> Indentist: Ah, c'est en français en plus. Ok, let me take a look.
02:24 < Indentist> :)
02:24 < Psi-Jack> Curiousity. Why the fork of Debian and not actual Debian?
02:24 < rypervenche> Indentist: So xflock4 should be being used.
02:24 < Indentist> I dont know, but it looks like xfce
02:25 < rypervenche> Indentist: It is.
02:25 < blackgatonegro> yaldak, I stopped using it in 2004.
02:26 < yaldak> blackgatonegro: i stuck with it, started in 99 and built up too large of a script collection to give up
02:26 < yaldak> i should really get my znc back tho
02:27 < Indentist> ah, " xflock4 is the reference Bash script which is used to lock an Xfce session" :)
02:27 < rypervenche> Indentist: So "killall xflock4" should do the trick.
02:28 < Indentist> rypervenche it will not affect the session, right, I mean the access to it at where I left it?
02:28 < blackgatonegro> yaldak, isn't it a huge risk, since it uses windows and that?
02:29 < rypervenche> Indentist: Correct. It just disables the lock. The lock program (xflock4) only starts when the screen is to be locked. Once you put in your password normally, it kills the program afterwards.
02:30 < Indentist> rypervenche I got "xflock4: no process found'
02:30 < blackgatonegro> disable the screensaver too just in case.
02:31 < blackgatonegro> is a laptop or something? Otherwise you don't need the power settings.
02:32 < syb0rg> well it looks like the arch synergy package is GPL2, guess I will install it and muck about
02:34 < blackgatonegro> also most video players have the option to keep the screen on while playing.  What else? Is ridiculous how much of Ubuntu and ubunutu based distros sound settings still depend on alsamixer.
02:35 < kurahaupo> blackgatonegro: power management is pretty important when the cluster is drawing 10 megawatts
02:36 < blackgatonegro> kurahaupo, you don't really need it on desktop, yes in everything else.
02:36 < mgolisch> which ubuntu based thing doesnt use pulse by default?
02:37 < Indentist> looks like rypervenche has left. I am still here sad and lonesome with my problem. can anyone help me perhaps?
02:37 < blackgatonegro> alsamixer covers everything, pulse doesn't.
02:37 < yaldak> mgolisch: There is one with JACK, I forgot its called
02:37 < yaldak> (Are you talking about distro or apps)
02:38 < yaldak> Identist: Shutdown the VM then try?
02:38 < yaldak> DM*
02:38 < blackgatonegro> Need to enable sound in something=? Raise the volume? Silence something? Enable a different sound card? alsamixer is your pal.
02:38 < Elladan> I'm constantly amazed at how difficult it is to send audio over the LAN with pulse.
02:38 < mgolisch> ps aux|grep lock?
02:38 < Indentist> yaldak what do you mean?
02:38 < yaldak> If its xf, try usually thats on top of lightdm so shutting down lightdm will bring it down
02:38 < Indentist> what DM?
02:38 < yaldak> WM* Window MAanger sorry its been a long day
02:39 < yaldak> if your goal is to get the window manager down so you can do some work, and its locked, you can try shutting down the display maanger
02:39 < yaldak> should take the WM down with it
02:39 < Indentist> yaldak, no worries, but I dont know how to shut it. I am on xfce login screen
02:39 < yaldak> service lightdm stop
02:39 < yaldak> from Ctrl+alt+f1
02:39 < yaldak> should take down the whole XF environemnt and compositor
02:40 < mgolisch> all programs will close then, not sure thats what you want
02:40 < yaldak> rigt^
02:40 < yaldak> mgolisch: he is on the login screen so i interpreted that as he has nothing graphical that is relevant open anyway
02:40 < yaldak> or she
02:41 < yaldak> sry
02:42 < blackgatonegro> Do you want to log in without password or what?
02:42 < Indentist> yaldak, that left me with a blank screen with cursor blinking. then I tried your command with restart instead of stop, and it led me to a new session.
02:43 < blackgatonegro> go to the screensaver and power settings and change the wait time to like two hours.
02:44 < yaldak> Identist: Did that resolve your issue? I apologize I'm not fully sure what the issue was
02:44 < yaldak> oh the language
02:44 < Indentist> I'd wanted to resume the session from where it was locked, but it is not too dramatic. I didnt lose data or something
02:44 < Indentist> that's fine :)
02:45 < Indentist> thank you for your hints!
02:46 < yaldak> Identist: your welcome, sorry to hear about the locked session
02:46 < Indentist> no, it's ok, and it was me who restarted it :)
02:47 < Indentist> my intention was also to know how to get back to the session in such a moment, as it happens every now and then
02:50 < Indentist> good night everyone!
02:51 < Indentist> or good day :)
03:12 < Dr_Coke> Got a letter How To Die
03:24 < GunqqerFriithian> doing a safe-upgrade, took a solid 2 minutes to figure out the conflicts
03:24 < GunqqerFriithian> dat aint gud
03:25 < GunqqerFriithian> protip: just a backup of /home won't really cut it
03:25 < GunqqerFriithian> need more than just that
03:27 < syb0rg> well I used a combination of scp, xclip and inotify tools to make a shared clipboard. Seemed easier than synergy, lol
03:27 < MikeFromIT>  "easier"
03:28 < syb0rg> :)
03:28 < syb0rg> well it's always easy after it's done
03:28 < GunqqerFriithian> :P
03:29 < mgolisch> i wonder how thats easier than running synergyc
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> doesn't synergy cost money?
03:29 < syb0rg> there is a gpl version minus some features
03:29 < syb0rg> including running over ssh, which I wanted
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> huh
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> if only I had two computers
03:30 < syb0rg> get a cheapo laptop like me and you can also have two computers
03:30 < GunqqerFriithian> this *is* the cheapo laptop
03:30 < syb0rg> ok, get an overpowered desktop like me and you can also have two computers =P
03:31 < GunqqerFriithian> :P
03:31 < syb0rg> there was a time when I had but one computer, and a time when I had none
03:31 < syb0rg> so I can relate
03:32 < GunqqerFriithian> while I do have the money to do so currently, I will be off to college in a year + 3 months and it's not worth getting a new computer
03:32 < syb0rg> fair enough, if you don't want to bring the desktop with
03:32 < GunqqerFriithian> I don't trust people enough
03:33 < syb0rg> can't blame you on that
03:33 < GunqqerFriithian> why don't I title my pastebin pastes
03:33 < GunqqerFriithian> :P
03:34 < MikeFromIT> Kinda want to get a desktop, kinda have no reason for a desktop
03:35 < syb0rg> MikeFromIT, in my case it is required since my tinkering instincts tend to lead to the early demise of laptops
03:35 < syb0rg> desktops are more robust you see
03:35 < syb0rg> also I have terrible luck
03:35 < GunqqerFriithian> I need backups, and many of them :P
03:36 < syb0rg> those also help
03:36 < GunqqerFriithian> total backups, not just /home
03:36 < GunqqerFriithian> and ofc now shit is going wrong and not working for no reason
03:36 < syb0rg> I like to image a fresh install when I get it set up nice, and then just backup files I care about
03:36 < MikeFromIT> I already have two laptops right now
03:36 < GunqqerFriithian> reinstalling everything though
03:36 < syb0rg> thus the image
03:37 < GunqqerFriithian> ah
03:37 < MikeFromIT> and fitting a desk in my room for a dekstop would be slightly difficult
03:37 < melo3n> but you're mike
03:37 < melo3n> from it
03:37 < melo3n> you've gotta have a desk xd
03:37 < mgolisch> have fun updating a month/years old gentoo or arch or something
03:37 < GunqqerFriithian> but yeah I need to do like a monthly image kept for 2 months, and /home incremental backup every day
03:37 < syb0rg> mgolisch, I distro hop or upgrade often enough that that is not an issue
03:38 < MikeFromIT> MikeFromITInARoomTooSmallForADesk just doesn't roll off the tongue as wll
03:38 < MikeFromIT> well
03:38 < mgolisch> i dont, usualy there not much to get from trying different distros
03:38 < melo3n> MikeFromIT: HAH! fair enough
03:38 < mgolisch> i3 works the same in all of them
03:38 < syb0rg> yes but we value accuracy here  MikeFromITInARoomTooSmallForADesk
03:38 < syb0rg> better update that nick
03:38 < MikeFromITInARoo> What
03:38 < syb0rg> heh
03:39 < melo3n> ah
03:39 < melo3n> close
03:39 < syb0rg> get out of that roo
03:39 < melo3n> and into a room
03:39 < melo3n> :O
03:39 < syb0rg> their pouches are meant for their young
03:39 < MikeFromIT> I'll just get a bigger room, easier than changing my name everywhere
03:39 < GunqqerFriithian> Ah, that feels better
03:39 < melo3n> tbh I had plenty of space
03:39 < GunqqerFriithian> Current status: 393 (-214) upgradable.
03:39 < GunqqerFriithian> Send help
03:39 < melo3n> when i brought my desktop to college
03:40 < melo3n> just needa keep the size mid tower with a 19-24in screen
03:40 < melo3n> shoudl fit
03:40 < MikeFromIT> If you're going to be living at college a laptop would be much more beneficial
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> instead of installing ubuntu then instantly installing KDE maybe I should just install Kubuntu
03:40 < melo3n> true, if you plan on getting a new laptop instead
03:40 < melo3n> that's fine as well
03:41 < syb0rg> GunqqerFriithian, I rather like a server install as a minimal UEFI setup, plus whatever packages I like
03:41 < GunqqerFriithian> I dislike thinking so
03:41 < syb0rg> for ubuntu anyway
03:41 < MikeFromIT> Like 85%+ of students are only going to be using word and powerpoint throughout their time in school anyways
03:41 < melo3n> i used alot of matlab and vim [for latex]
03:42 < syb0rg> MikeFromIT, if you chat on ##linux you are probably in the 15$
03:42 < syb0rg> *%
03:42 < mgolisch> good i was never in such an institution
03:42 < MikeFromIT> Probably
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> if you're on an IRC you're probably in the 15%
03:42 < MikeFromIT> I did the vim + latex for a bit, was going well until I got tired of actually taking notes melo3n
03:42 < syb0rg> indubitably
03:42 < melo3n> the 1%
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> Resolving dependencies...
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> open: 19990; closed: 29835; defer: 203; conflict: 1299
03:42 < melo3n> MikeFromIT: understandable
03:42 < MikeFromIT> I work at a college, students are dumb
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> holy shit this is not fun
03:43 < melo3n> yea i was surprised by illeterate on tech and whatnot my colleagues were
03:43 < melo3n> even the comp sci majors
03:43 < MikeFromIT> If you can't figure out how to get python working with eclipse you should probably give up now
03:44 < syb0rg> heh
03:44 < GunqqerFriithian> haha I don't know what that means hahahahaha
03:44 < syb0rg> to be fair, why would you want to use eclipse except for java?
03:44 < melo3n> why use a ide at all ;)
03:44 < MikeFromIT> idk why anyone would want to use eclipse in general
03:44 < syb0rg> melo3n, eclipse is nice for java imo
03:45 < MikeFromIT> it just always seemed really slow whenever I used it
03:45 < GunqqerFriithian> .............. aptitude safe-upgrade just installed something and removed something else, tried it again now it wasn't to remove the package just added and add the one just removed
03:45 < yaldak> eclipse is nice for java, but some days when it eats my ram I wish for it to have a special place in hell
03:45 < syb0rg> it is pretty heavy
03:45 < MikeFromIT> but I do understand the whole having the entire class you the same software
03:45 < melo3n> syb0rg: im just a vim advocate haha
03:45 < syb0rg> it is also built to manage java projects, which is handy
03:45 < syb0rg> melo3n, I know your kind ;)
03:45 < Gasoline> any of you guys know how to use irccloud from a terminal or is it even possible?
03:45 < melo3n> syb0rg: dirty dirty vimmers ;)
03:46 < syb0rg> dirty girl
03:46 < MikeFromIT> I had a teacher for rhcsa who only used nano
03:46 < MikeFromIT> I cried a little
03:46 < syb0rg> oh no
03:46 < syb0rg> why
03:46 < GunqqerFriithian> I use nano, but I don't code
03:46 < syb0rg> see that is fair
03:46 < syb0rg> there is nothing wrong with nano, it is just the easiest to use and least powerful command line text editor
03:46 < yaldak> I only use nano, not because vim and emacs are not respectful in their own right but because if I'm going to be doing something complicated I'll take the gui version
03:46 < melo3n> Gasoline: you could always used a terminal based irc client
03:46 < Gasoline> I am using weechat
03:46 < GunqqerFriithian> I just need something to edit text on a CLI
03:47 < MikeFromIT> I just like vim because of how much I can do with it
03:47 < melo3n> nano is nice for quick notes yea
03:47 < syb0rg> it fills a nich, but if you code in a terminal with nano there is somethign wrong with you
03:47 < syb0rg> *niche
03:47 < syb0rg> .... * something
03:47 < yaldak> syb0rg: definitely
03:47 < yaldak> for quick confs and notes, i appreciate its simplicity
03:47 < yaldak> kind of a focus mode editor
03:47 < yaldak> hard to make mistakes
03:47 < MikeFromIT> knowing vi/m is good because any server you connect to is gonna have at least vi on it
03:47 < yaldak> word
03:47 < syb0rg> it is there for ease of use for those who don't spend lots of time in a terminal, and for that purpose it is well suited
03:48 < GunqqerFriithian> sorta like knowing how to use `top`
03:48 < melo3n> tfw linux/gnu
03:48 < yaldak> gotta know the basics for those old school production servers
03:48 < GunqqerFriithian> also top uses minimal resources
03:48 < MikeFromIT> I went to fix my dad's linux server in his office last night
03:48 < GunqqerFriithian> even though on a pi it's still a lot
03:49 < MikeFromIT> Nobody knew the root password
03:49 < GunqqerFriithian> oof
03:49 < syb0rg> lol
03:49 < MikeFromIT> It hadn't been logged into since Jan 6 2009
03:49 < MikeFromIT> Running debian 3.1
03:49 < syb0rg> oh man
03:49 < melo3n> ayy lmao
03:49 < GunqqerFriithian> can someone help me figure out why it wants to remove what it does while doing an update https://pastebin.com/raw/LfP4aKj6
03:53 < mgolisch> looks like you have packages from different ppas or so
03:53 < GunqqerFriithian> I should only have the base ubuntu and kde
03:55 < mgolisch> theres packages with the prefix ~ubuntu16.04~ppa1  and ~xenialoverlay1~4+fix1  are those from the same ppa?
03:55 < GunqqerFriithian> I have no idea
03:56 < Toadisattva> I installed kali linux with the xfce desktop on a chromebook via crouton, but I have no panel, can anyone point me the right direction to get the panel to display?
03:56 < Sitri> Toadisattva: Install a proper desktop distro.
03:57 < Sitri> Then run Kali in a VM
03:57 < baconicsynergy> ^
03:57 < MikeFromIT> xfce should prompt you on first start if you want the default panel
03:57 < baconicsynergy> please dont install kali as a desktop distro
03:57 < GunqqerFriithian> what I shouldn't be using kali as my daily driver
03:58 < MikeFromIT> It's not designed for that
03:58 < Toadisattva> I don't intend to use it as a daily driver, I just wanted to learn how to use it
03:58 < MikeFromIT> The devs even say so
03:58 < Toadisattva> just fairly new to xfce so I wasn't sure how to fix the panel issue
03:58 < baconicsynergy> its a great learning tool but yes, its not designed for daily desktop use and not recommened as such
03:58 < baconicsynergy> run it as a live usb/cd or in a vm
03:59 < baconicsynergy> *the more you know*
03:59 < MikeFromIT> I think it's acceptable to install as long as you aren't going to be using it 100% of the time
03:59 < Toadisattva> I'd be better off with a livedisk? with crouton it lets you flip back and forth easily between chrome os and the linux desktop
03:59 < Toadisattva> so I figured that would be a good way to go
03:59 < MikeFromIT> Boot into it and use it when you want and then switch back to your normal OS
03:59 < Toadisattva> thats' what this does but without having to reboot
04:00 < MikeFromIT> I'm not super familiar with crouton, but doesn't it basically just pull a chroot?
04:00 < Toadisattva> yeah that's exactly waht it does
04:00 < Toadisattva> is that not a good idea for kali?
04:01 < MikeFromIT> As long as you understand not to use it 24/7
04:01 < MikeFromIT> Personally I think that's fine
04:02 < Toadisattva> oh yeah I do I have a totally different machine for my daily driver
04:03 < Toadisattva> so I was able to pop the panel with xfce4-panel, but how do I get it to consistently display it when I switch to kali?
04:03 < Toadisattva> is there something similar to lxde where I can go in and set the default apps?
04:03 < MikeFromIT> Should be
04:03 < MikeFromIT> I haven't touched xfce in quite a few years
04:04 < Toadisattva> ah I think I found it
04:05 < Toadisattva> cool yep I got it
04:05 < Toadisattva> thanks for the assistance :)
04:06 < cfoch> hello
04:08 < cfoch> hello
04:08 < cfoch> Is there an official Linux Store?
04:08 < syb0rg> a linux store?
04:08 < cfoch> I want to buy t-shirts, hats about Linux/Tux
04:08 < syb0rg> I store my linux on an ssd
04:08 < cfoch> shop*
04:09 < Toadisattva> I too would be interested in Tux shwag
04:09 < syb0rg> if you just want whatever schwag, you can get it printed from some third party
04:09 < cfoch> but I look for some official shop so I also donate to the foundation instead of profiting someone else
04:09 < syb0rg> but official? I dunno
04:10 < cfoch> I am also tempted for some GNU stuff
04:13 < dannylee> i want a linux gacket with 10 pockets
04:13 < dannylee> j
04:14 < dannylee> i want a linux jacket with 10 pockets
04:15 < cfoch> where did you see one?
04:15 < cfoch> link please
04:16 < dannylee> write now i have a army jacket..its c000l
04:19 < dannylee> just go to the gap..in the mall
04:19 < dannylee> but winter is over
04:20 < dannylee> army surplus store
04:20 < MikeFromIT> Scratched my neck and my hand felt wet, looked in the mirror and I have blood running down my neck
04:20 < MikeFromIT> Guess my body is trying to take itself out
04:20 < syb0rg> or you got bit by a vampire, equally likely
04:21 < MikeFromIT> I'm really just lucky none of it got on my shirt
04:21 < GunqqerFriithian> don't need to update something if you uninstall it *taps head*
04:21 < syb0rg> I have scratched myself working in a factory without realizing it and covered a bunch of product with my blood :/
04:22 < syb0rg> I didn't even notice, someone down the line did
04:22 < GunqqerFriithian> oof
04:22 < syb0rg> forunately vinyl is easy to clean
04:22 < MikeFromIT> I was once playing with my pocket knife in class and somehow popped a hole in my neck I guess
04:22 < dannylee> some of us are in the matrix...even me
04:22 < MikeFromIT> Didn't notice until the girl sitting next to me mentioned I was bleeding
04:22 < GunqqerFriithian> I sometimes accidentally stab myself with my mech pencil
04:23 < MikeFromIT> "hey uhh you're bleeding"
04:23 < GunqqerFriithian> lol
04:23 < MikeFromIT> Like it was nothing
04:23 < MikeFromIT> But I looked like a murder scene
04:23 < GunqqerFriithian> sometimes I get a nose bleed and am just like "oh hey, blood, eh"
04:24 < dannylee> the gov and churches are micro chipping 5 million people a year...sien
04:24 < Pentode> i had a nose bleed so bad once i filled an entire tea saucer to the rim
04:24 < GunqqerFriithian> tea saucer?????
04:24 < MikeFromIT> Gross
04:24 < GunqqerFriithian> well, I want to drink blood just as much as I want to drink tea
04:24 < Pentode> yeah it was weird
04:24 < Pentode> well thats something you should keep to yourself
04:25 < GunqqerFriithian> I want to drink blood just like the next person does
04:25 < GunqqerFriithian> aka never
04:27 < GunqqerFriithian> im saying the only place tea blongs is in boston harbor
04:27 < Pentode> lol
04:27 < Pentode> well thats the craziest thing ive ever heard
04:27 < Pentode> coffee drinker huh?
04:27 < syb0rg> lol wow Pentode, thanks for sharing. Why did you bleed into the saucer?
04:27 < GunqqerFriithian> What else would I drink, leaf swill
04:27 < GunqqerFriithian> LOL
04:27 < Pentode> i don't know, really. i never had a nose bleed before or since. was sometime in my teens.
04:28 < GunqqerFriithian> for most of my life I never had a nose bleed, then suddenly I got them all the time
04:28 < dannylee> give mew all your cocaine
04:28 < GunqqerFriithian> oh shit he found me out
04:31 < dannylee> now its just coffee...but i would like toooo have a 8 ball as backup
04:31 < dannylee> i love my coffee
04:31 < GunqqerFriithian> how do you take it?
04:32 < dannylee> black
04:32 < GunqqerFriithian> can't call you a heretic like I was planning
04:32 < Pentode> alright this is shifting towards the off topic / inappropriate area.
04:32 < dannylee> and my second choice is coca cola
04:32 < GunqqerFriithian> off topic yes, inappropriate? Well if we talk about tea, yes
04:35 < Pentode> well i wont share my opinion on coffee. you wont like it. ;)
04:35 < GunqqerFriithian> Good. So, about that GNU
04:35 < MikeFromIT> We can bring it back to on topic
04:35 < MikeFromIT> How do you like your gnu/coffee?
04:36 < GunqqerFriithian> free and open source
04:36 < Alpha-Omega> Hello. Is there a reason why this doesn't pick up all of the hidden files I have in my home directory? "find . -regex "\.[a-zA-Z]+.*" -print"
04:36 < Alpha-Omega> And I am in my home directory when I run this.
04:36 < Drakonan> ok so i have an espressobin anyone have one of those?
04:36 < Drakonan> im trying to get a simple linux setup on it
04:36 < GunqqerFriithian> if you want to list everything in a directory use `ls -A`
04:36 < Drakonan> wth do i do
04:37 < dannylee> ls -R [[:alpha:]] *
04:37 < Alpha-Omega> GunqqerFriithian: That's not what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to list every file and directory that is hidden.
04:37 < GunqqerFriithian> just that's hidden?
04:37 < Alpha-Omega> Yes.
04:37 < MikeFromIT> Why specifically using find?
04:37 < Alpha-Omega> That's why I have the literal \. but it seems to be ignored.
04:38 < Alpha-Omega> MikeFromIT: Because I will run a delete on it after.
04:38 < Alpha-Omega> That regex should pick it up, no? Unless it starts with something that isn't a-zA-Z, after the .
04:39 < Drakonan> so what is my sd card in windows subsystem for linux?
04:39 < MikeFromIT> Why not just run find . -name ".*"
04:40 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: are you intending to match names that begin with a '.' or entire path names that begin with a '.'?
04:40 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: files and directories in the home directory that are hidden (start with .)
04:40 < Drakonan> anybody?
04:41 < GunqqerFriithian> `rm -rd .*`?
04:41 < MikeFromIT> What do you mean Drakonan?
04:41 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: find ~ maxdepth 1 -name '.*'
04:41 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: That actually worked perfectly.
04:41 < Drakonan> MikeFromIT, i need to translate this for wsl
04:41 < Drakonan> http://wiki.espressobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Downloading+image+and+boot+from+SD+card+-+Linux
04:41 < dannylee> rm -R ******
04:41 < Alpha-Omega> Still wondering why my regex didn't though. Hmm.
04:41 < Drakonan> says to run lsblk
04:41 < Drakonan> but nothing shows up
04:41 < Drakonan> i dont see anything mounted for an sdcard as well
04:42 < Drakonan> im trying to figure out what my sd card is
04:42 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: as for your regex attempt, + likely doesn't work in the emacs dialect. couldn't be bothered to test, though.
04:42 < Drakonan> in wsl
04:42 < mgolisch> yeah dont think that works in wsl
04:42 < Drakonan> it should still be a device no?
04:42 < Drakonan> i need to build an image for my espressobin
04:42 < jmadero> is this a valid rsync command: rsync --avz --progress /mnt/DriveA/*zip /mnt/DriveB/
04:42 < MikeFromIT> I don't know much about wsl, but is there a chance Windows it taking control of the sdcard?
04:43 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: another way: printf '%s\n' ~/.[^.]*
04:43 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: You're right, changing it to a + and ? worked fine. Emacs dialect? Why would it not work. I thought regex is regex.
04:43 < Drakonan> i dont think so there is mnt/c
04:43 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: regex is not just regex
04:44 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: far from it
04:44 < Drakonan> if it "took control" then my windows would lsoe its pants when c drive went missing
04:44 < Drakonan> and god forbid it loses the d:
04:44 < Drakonan> damn im so dirty and drunk i digress
04:45 < mgolisch> you should be able to access mounted filesystems in wsl but iam quite sure you dont have direct access to the block devices or something
04:45 < mgolisch> its not a linux kernel
04:45 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: man 7 re is a good place to start. note, however, that find uses neither the BRE - nor the ERE - dialect by default (can be changed with -regextype).
04:45 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: So why's find or emacs hate +? What's the + being used for that it won't interpret it?
04:45 < Drakonan> but shouldn't there be a raw map to it in /dev?
04:45 < mgolisch> no
04:45 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: man 7 regex, I meant
04:46 < Drakonan> ok maybe i can attach through virtualbox
04:46 < mgolisch> why do you need access to the device?
04:47 < MikeFromIT> That would probably work a lot better Drakonan
04:47 < Drakonan> i need to make an sd card image for this espressobin
04:47 < Drakonan> sbc
04:47 < Drakonan> http://wiki.espressobin.net/tiki-index.php?page=Downloading+image+and+boot+from+SD+card+-+Linux
04:47 < mgolisch> and making an image needs access to devices?
04:47 < Drakonan> im trying to put the image on the sd card
04:47 < Drakonan> so it can boot off it
04:48 < mgolisch> just use use something like etcher?
04:48 < mgolisch> it works on windows
04:48 < mgolisch> oh i see they dont have an image
04:48 < MikeFromIT> etcher is the recommended windows program
04:49 < mgolisch> just some fs tar
04:49 < Drakonan> yeah i dont have the skills to translate that to windows
04:49 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: Nothing about + specifically in there, but I'll keep it in mind. Just very weird.
04:49 < Alpha-Omega> Thanks though.,
04:50 < Drakonan> well it doesnt even show up to attach in virtualbox
04:50 < Drakonan> man its always so hard to do anything
04:50 < Drakonan> onward to piratebay
04:51 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: you should set aside some time to read it thoroughly. it indicates that the "modern" (ERE) dialect supports the + quantifier.
04:51 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: both BRE and ERE are extremely relevant if you want to be proficient with regexes while using standard unix utilities
04:51 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: it's odd to me that find defaults to emacs but GNU gonna GNU, I suppose
04:52 < mgolisch> i wonder why they dont provide an image you can directly copy over your sdcard
04:52 < mgolisch> probably a crapy project
04:52 < mgolisch>  /product
04:52 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: -regextype -posix-egrep is ERE, by the way
04:52 < kerframil> er, posix-egrep even
04:53 < kerframil> or is it posix-extended. I actually forget now. one of the two.
04:57 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: It seems you just need to specify it after -regextype, so "find . -regextype egrep -regex "\.[a-zA-Z]+.*" -print", but that outputs nothing again.
04:57 < Alpha-Omega> find . -regextype -posix-egrep "\.[a-zA-Z]+.*" -print find: Unknown regular expression type ‘-posix-egrep’; valid types are ‘findutils-default’, ‘awk’, ‘egrep’, ‘ed’, ‘emacs’, ‘gnu-awk’, ‘grep’, ‘posix-awk’, ‘posix-basic’, ‘posix-egrep’, ‘posix-extended’, ‘posix-minimal-basic’, ‘sed’.
05:02 < snj33v> new kernel 4.17 breaks nftables support
05:04 < Drakonan> omfg
05:05 < Drakonan> so my cpu isnt supported in vmware anymore wtf kind of shit is that
05:05 < Drakonan> i7-920
05:05 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: the shortest regex that could possibly work is -regex '\..*', but it is not the same thing as -name '.*' because -regex matches whole pathnames (much as -path does for globs)
05:05 < oerheks> Drakonan, this is the place to complain, welcome
05:06 < Drakonan> thank god we all need this place
05:06 < snj33v> nftables: Error: Could not process rule:
05:06 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: and, because it matches whole pathnames, you really have to be careful as to how you write the regex. just look at a raw find -print ... that's what you're matching against.
05:06 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: long story short: it's easier to use globs for most things
05:08 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: to put it in perspective, try this: find . -regextype posix-egrep -iregex '\./\.[a-z]+'
05:12 < Drakonan> so is centos dying?
05:12 < Drakonan> rhel dying? is ubuntu/debian winning?
05:15 < prussian> uh, no?
05:17 < darkmeson> Can anyone see this?
05:17 < triceratux> nope just you
05:18 < darkmeson> That's contradictory
05:18 < triceratux> welcome to ##linux ;)
05:18 < darkmeson> But thank you for confirming that Matrix users can speak here in any case :)
05:18 < mgolisch> Drakonan: why would you think that?
05:19 < darkmeson> It's so much easier to connect this way via Tor than to have to find an Android IRC client that supports SASL EXTERNAL
05:20 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: Ahh, I see, that's why it wasn't matching. Makes sense now. Thank you!
05:20 < Drakonan> mgolisch, well i dont im asking i want to make sure im learning as much as i can about the best marketable skills and if cent is dying i dont want to learn about it
05:20 < Drakonan> ill download a cent image
05:21 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: right. the starting point(s) that you specify will influence the composition of the path names.
05:21 < Drakonan> wish there was a better way to understand really what is different
05:21 < Drakonan> instead of it being like a fraternity
05:21 < snj33v> with new kernel, i can create table and chain cli, but not thorugh file
05:21 < darkmeson> AFAICT, RHEL/CentOS isn't dying, but the bulk of the users stuck with 6 rather than moving to 7
05:22 < snj33v> for nftables, with new kernel, i can create table and chain through cli, but not thorugh file
05:22 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: Believe it or not, I got rid of the regextype and with the added "/\." it matched with the +. Unless the regextype sets something persistently, it seems the regextype isn't even needed.
05:22 < Drakonan> someone was talking about ksplice today that sounded interesting
05:23 < Drakonan> apparently oracle bought it?
05:23 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: I'm probably wrong about the emacs dialect not supporting it then. I don't use emacs. but you still have to match the entire pathname as find would present it.
05:23 < kerframil> Alpha-Omega: -name doesn't have that issue
05:24 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: Ahh, it all makes sense. When I changed the + to a * and ?, it ignored the [a-zA-Z], and match the "/". Ahh.
05:25 < Alpha-Omega> kerframil: Got it, it's just how find presents the files that you need to regex match, not just the filenames. Thanks for the help.
05:28 < MikeFromIT> I just installed qutebrowser tonight after looking at it for a while
05:28 < kerframil> snj33v: #Netfilter is a better channel for nbtables support
05:42 < dannylee> its going to be a great year for linux..in the next five year linux will keep on growing...ill
05:44 < dannylee> i love linux..its so c0000l
05:44 < MikeFromIT> This is the year of the linux desktop
05:44 < dannylee> ya man
05:45 < dannylee> i  richard stallman $100.oo....sorry Im broke
05:46 < dannylee> io
05:49 < autopsy> Linux is growing ill? No way.
05:50 < autopsy> What happenned with kernel 3.0.x though. That was a fluke.
05:50 < autopsy> Like 3.10.12
05:50 < MikeFromIT> We don't speak of those dark times
05:52 < darkmeson> Removing the BKL was no fluke
05:53 < darkmeson> Nor was collapsing the dev branch into the stable branch
05:55 < Sitri> What was the issue with the 3.x kernels?
05:55 < darkmeson> At least we can insulate ourselves from the greater instabilities using virt to avoid expensive, disruptive baremetal reboots and the like
05:56 < darkmeson> Sitri: The BKL removal made the kernel quite unstable for a long time, similarly to what happened with FreeBSD in its 5.x releases
05:56 < autopsy> I like rebooting. Clears my nasal passages I call module init pages.  Cleans me up real good see.
05:57 < autopsy> Writing modules you gotta unload by hand.
05:57 < darkmeson> That's the biggest problem actually
05:58 < autopsy> What modules?
05:58 < autopsy> Hi huangjun
05:58 < darkmeson> We really need more emphasis on forced unloading or at least options to disengage from owned resources to clear wedges without requiring reboots
05:58 < autopsy> darkmeson, yeah I'd agree.
05:59 < autopsy> Android phone S3 has a kernel 3.10.12
05:59 < autopsy> Linux kernel that is.
05:59 < darkmeson> The ZoL module highlighted the glaring deficiencies for the longest time, but I'm not sure anyone really paid attention since it was essentially outsider code
06:00 < autopsy> darkmeson: is that
06:00 < autopsy> darkmeson: is that ZFS on Linux?
06:00 < darkmeson> yes
06:00 < autopsy> Bye t0mmy
06:00 < autopsy> Ah yeah ok.
06:01 < autopsy> Hi BeamWatcher
06:01 < darkmeson> One workaround I ended up using was to loopback-mount iscsi explorts so that I could cut the storage out from under the stack when it went mental and everything wedged
06:01 < autopsy> Ok. How do I supress join/quit messages on Freenode's webchat?
06:01 < darkmeson> That's a really silly thing to have to do when it would only take a few lines of code to do basically the same thing in the relevant storage modules though
06:02 < autopsy> darkmeson: sounds bad man.
06:02 < autopsy> Really bad. Devilish bad.
06:02 < autopsy> Satan had a child bad.
06:03 < autopsy> ZFS On Linux wasn't it written by some students?
06:03 < autopsy> Linux doesn't need ZFS though for reAL.
06:03 < autopsy> The more the better but golly gee.
06:04 < darkmeson> I don't know about Freenode's webchat, but this Riot (web) client for Matrix has an option for it
06:06 < darkmeson> ZFS was written by Sun developers for Solaris
06:06 < darkmeson> But you probably knew that since it's becoming obvious that you're just trolling me
06:11 < autopsy> darkmeson: some students at Sun Microsystems.
06:12 < MikeFromIT> Those poor bastards
06:12 < darkmeson> The poor bastards were everyone it was inflicted on
06:13 < autopsy> darkmeson: what ever happenned to Hans Reiser?
06:13 < darkmeson> Even after being sanitized for years under the OpenZFS collaborations, it still lacks key features like the ability to shrink volumes and the ability to remove vdevs
06:13 < agent_white> That was pre-Oracle though. Not poor bastards, they got to work with some rad engineers.
06:14 < darkmeson> autopsy: Hans Reiser, seriously?
06:14 < autopsy> Pre Oracle? Seriously?
06:14 < darkmeson> You should know as well as I do that he went to jail for killing his wife
06:14 < darkmeson> His story is essentially over, and his legacy is "MurderFS"
06:14 < autopsy> Didn't his company take over ReiserFS4?
06:14 < agent_white> autopsy: Serious as a hemorrhoid homie.
06:15 < autopsy> Ouch.
06:15 < autopsy> I don't see Reiser4 support in Linux. Anywhere.
06:16 < autopsy> These join quit messages are driving me up a wall.
06:17 < MikeFromIT> I thought about hiding them autopsy, cause there sure is a shit ton of them
06:17 < agent_white> Always ignore join part nick quit ;)
06:17 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/filesystems | grep reiser [autopsy@localhost ~]$
06:21 < autopsy> No reiserfs there.
06:21 < darkmeson> find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name "reiser"
06:22 < darkmeson> That just means the module isn't loaded, so you have to search for them
06:22 < autopsy> # find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -type f -name "reiser"
06:22 < lopid> locate reiserfs
06:22 < autopsy> # locate reiserfs
06:22 < darkmeson> I have a reiserfs.ko on 4.16 on Debian
06:23 < Sitri> I have it on Arch
06:23 < well_laid_lawn> ou need to use "reiser*"
06:23 < well_laid_lawn> with find
06:23 < darkmeson> reiser would catch all references irrespective of where the string was in the file name
06:24 < darkmeson> That's kind of important if you don't know for certain that it starts with the given fragment
06:24 < kerframil> no it wouldn't
06:24 < kerframil> -name '*reiser*' would
06:25 < darkmeson> Oh, I see what's happening
06:25 < kerframil> otherwise, you'll only match 'reiser' (good luck with that)
06:26 < darkmeson> Matrix' Riot client has a markdown feature which stupidly translates standard expressions like *blah* to 'blah' in italics
06:26 < darkmeson> So I have to remember to escape the the *s with \
06:26 < kerframil> how irksome
06:26 < darkmeson> Yes, it is
06:27 < darkmeson> I probably should just turn it off since it's more of a pain more of the time than it's ever beneficial
06:27 < cmj> zgrep -i reiser /proc/config.gz
06:27 < darkmeson> Actually taking the time to re-read what I wrote would probably have helped too
06:28 < guru------------> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M count=10 dd: failed to open '/dev/mmcblk0': Read-only file system
06:28 < guru------------> i've tried the "read only" switch in both positions
06:28 < guru------------> -flipping the
06:28 < guru------------> no idea what to do
06:28 < guru------------> same error message
06:29 < guru------------> the drive isnt mounted
06:30 < darkmeson> A lot of devices have to be "ejected" to have the new setting be honored
06:31 < darkmeson> That can be the usual physical way or sometimes even just removing the module and modprobe'ing it again
06:31 < acf_> also, did you run as root?
06:31 < guru------------> yes
06:32 < guru------------> lsblk output mmcblk0 179:0    0  29.7G  1 disk
06:32 < guru------------> it's not mounted
06:32 < darkmeson> It wouldn't matter if it were
06:32 < guru------------> root@devuan:/home/guru# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1M count=10
06:32 < guru------------> dd: failed to open '/dev/mmcblk0': Read-only file system
06:32 < acf_> I've had this kind of trouble with sd card readers before
06:32 < guru------------> maybe i should try another reader
06:32 < acf_> iirc, I just gave up and eventually it went away
06:32 < acf_> maybe just a reboot, or a kernel upgrade
06:32 < darkmeson> dd won't stop you from clobbering an in-use filesystem
06:33 < darkmeson> Trying another reader would be recommended if you have one
06:33 < guru------------> yeah im going to look and see if i have another
06:33 < guru------------> i think it only happens with this sd card though
06:33 < darkmeson> Sometimes certain combinations of cards and readers just don't work out
06:33 < guru------------> let me try another sec
06:34 < acf_> so I've got a linux box here that appears to have locked up
06:34 < acf_> I think it might be a kernel bug of some sort
06:34 < acf_> (maybe)
06:34 < acf_> I was hoping someone could help me get some debug information of of it before I reboot
06:35 < acf_> https://imagepastev1.blob.core.windows.net/images/e572f6-full.jpg
06:35 < darkmeson> Are you using a USB keyboard and mouse by any chance?
06:35 < acf_> me?
06:35 < kerframil> guru------------: in addition to what darkmeson said, some flash drives may put themselves into a permanent read-only state upon becoming faulty. hopefully not the case here, but something to keep in mind.
06:35 < darkmeson> acf_: yes
06:36 < acf_> ah, no
06:36 < guru------------> alright changing my card reader
06:36 < guru------------> fingers crossed
06:36 < guru------------> found another
06:36 < acf_> this is a Thinkpad X250 laptop
06:36 < acf_> running whatever kernel is in Debian stable
06:36 < acf_> for some reason load average is ~20, but CPU usage shows up at around 0 in top
06:36 < darkmeson> kerframil: I've had to have words with OEMs over that, and most of them will let you physically destroy the storage chip before RMAing it, just fyi
06:37 < acf_> it is extremely slow although I managed to get top open
06:37 < guru------------> wow
06:37 < guru------------> it was the card reader
06:37 < guru------------> yup you were right
06:37 < acf_> also I'm getting these strange messages https://imagepastev1.blob.core.windows.net/images/e4227a-full.jpg
06:38 < darkmeson> I never use unencrypted flash e for that reason, but it's nice to have the option to ensure they can't steal any data
06:38 < guru------------> the same card reader works with other types of sandisk sd cards
06:38 < guru------------> go figure
06:38 < darkmeson> guru------------: that's the case 80%+ of the time
06:38 < guru------------> =\
06:38 < darkmeson> Bad card/reader combos, not my being right ;)
06:38 < guru------------> thanks darkeson, kerfamil, acf
06:39 < darkmeson> acf_: do you have an openssh server set up on it, and do you have another device to try to ssh into it with?
06:40 < acf_> I don't believe it's running sshd
06:40 < acf_> also it's on a corporate-ish network, and I'm not sure I could find the IP address
06:40 < acf_> I can try though
06:40 < darkmeson> Then your only hope would be to use magic sysrq combos, but that's unlikely because it's usually disable today since it represents a security issue
06:41 < acf_> see if I can at least ping it
06:41 < acf_> assuming I could get to as shell for a moment
06:41 < acf_> I did end up getting top running after waiting ~10 minutes
06:41 < darkmeson> If you HAVE access to a usb keyboard, you could try plugging that in and seeing if that made any difference
06:41 < acf_> ahh, that's why you ask
06:42 < kerframil> darkmeson: interesting
06:42 < acf_> characters actually do show up in the console, although they're not doing much at the moment
06:42 < acf_> so I imagine that means it wouldn't help?
06:42 < darkmeson> Unplugging any existing usb devices or plugging in a new one of any type can sometimes unwedge things too
06:42 < acf_> hm. I'll try it
06:42 < acf_> do you have any idea about the strange load average thing?
06:42 < darkmeson> I'm guessing it's all of those chromium processes making the load sky high tbh
06:43 < acf_> shouldn't the load average be the same as the CPU usage?
06:43 < acf_> perhaps, but I've never seen this before
06:43 < acf_> sometimes I get oom problems, but never this
06:43 < darkmeson> you could probably type 'killall -s KILL chromium' in that console and wait to see if the system comes back
06:43 < acf_> especially not that strange "Freezing of tasks message"
06:43 < acf_> haha yeah
06:43 < acf_> the last command I started was "sudo pkill -9 chromium"
06:43 < darkmeson> load average is just the number of processes in the run queue
06:44 < acf_> I forgot I didn't need to run it as root, and it's probably still loading sudo :/
06:44 < darkmeson> So for instance a failed disk or other shared resource going out to lunch could make the load synthetically high without adversely affecting cpu utilization, for instance
06:44 < acf_> hm, really?
06:44 < acf_> I thought processes blocking on IO wouldn't be in the run queue
06:44 < acf_> ie, run queue is processes waiting to go on CPU
06:45 < acf_> so if the run queue is longer than # CPUs, cpu usage should be 100%
06:45 < darkmeson> It's not quite that simple
06:45 < acf_> interesting
06:45 < acf_> sure hope my disk hasn't failed
06:45 < darkmeson> I don't have a link handy and my own browser is being a bit of a pain atm, but I'm sure you could find something reasonable quickly enough
06:46 < darkmeson> It's unlikely to be a failed disk
06:46 < acf_> the "freezing of tasks" thing is apprently related to suspend / hibernate
06:46 < darkmeson> Those chromium processes COULD be causing disk slowness because of disk thrashing because of swapping though
06:47 < acf_> hm, maybe
06:47 < acf_> usually oomkiller would have gotten them by now
06:47 < acf_> (I left for dinner 3 hours ago and came back and it's still like this)
06:47 < darkmeson> In addition to a bit of CPU usage, that's a recipe for a system that goes out to lunch
06:48 < acf_> I wouldn't doubt that started this thing
06:48 < acf_> but certainly it's not acting like it normally does when I open too many chromiums
06:48 < darkmeson> That's one of the reasons I like to use zram rather than disk-based swap btw
06:48 < acf_> usually it locks up for a bit with the swap service using 100% disk I/O and then eventually oomkiller kills some chromium processes and everything is back to normal
06:48 < acf_> takes 20 minutes at most
06:49 < acf_> and I don't get any bizzare "freezing of tasks" messages
06:49 < darkmeson> I've had that happen in my browser vms
06:49 < darkmeson> But it doesn't come back quickly enough to suit me, so I'm left to either manually kill processes if possible, or reboot the vm
06:50 < darkmeson> s/I'm/I was/
06:50 < acf_> hm, yeah
06:51 < acf_> I guess there isn't much to do but force reboot at this point
06:51 < acf_> I can't even get the console to respond anymore
06:51 < darkmeson> As someone mentioned earlier, the freezing of tasks thing has to do with suspend/hibernate
06:52 < acf_> I think someone was me :P
06:52 < acf_> but it's strange because I definitely hadn't tried to suspend when this started
06:52 < darkmeson> Coincidentally, that sort of issue is part of the reason I opted to start running my browsers in vms to begin with
06:53 < acf_> probably also good for security
06:53 < acf_> do you use qubes OS or something?
06:53 < darkmeson> It probably happened because the lid sensor got tripped
06:53 < HelloFriend> I'm trying for hours to do something that would take 2 mins in windows. i know all distros aren't the same but damn ubuntu. i want to setup a host only network in virtualbox. i did this but after a min ubuntu resets the damn ips. then i read to uninstall network-manager. did this all worked until restart now i see no interfaces wtf really?
06:53 < acf_> I have the lid sensor suspend thing turned off
06:53 < darkmeson> acf_: I use something like Qubes, but mine is homebrew
06:53 < acf_> oh nice
06:54 < HelloFriend> why would ubuntu reset the ips in the first place?
06:54 < acf_> HelloFriend: I probably wouldn't uninstall network manager
06:54 < darkmeson> They're basically generic vms running X11 sessions via TurboVNC
06:54 < acf_> do the windows all integrate seamlessly?
06:55 < HelloFriend> yeah i uninstslled net man and did a snapshot on 3 machines thinking everything was cool now havd to reinstall cos i can't redown net man
06:55 < darkmeson> HelloFriend: you have to configure entirely from /etc/network/interfaces or entirely through the network daemon of your choice, first of all
06:55 < acf_> HelloFriend: probably best thing to do would be to re-install network-manager
06:55 < acf_> and use network-manager's settings to disable it from messing with the interface you're concerned about
06:55 < acf_> (ie, the virtualbox host one)
06:55 < darkmeson> If network manager is being problematic, there's also wicd
06:56 < acf_> or use network-manager to configure the IP addresses on the virtualbox host interface
06:56 < HelloFriend> i will reinstall ubuntu again. so i can just disable net man ok ill tty that
06:56 < HelloFriend> i want to do everything in command line for my test
06:56 < acf_> using ifconfig / ip alongside network-manager can cause problems
06:56 < acf_> like you've seen
06:56 < darkmeson> If neither of those is to your liking or you don't have wireless or removable NICs, then you might be able to get by without either one
06:56 < darkmeson> I know you can in Debian, but iirc, Ubuntu was a little more of a pain about it
06:56 < HelloFriend> yeah unbelievable
06:57 < darkmeson> Yeah, don't use ip and ifconfig
06:57 < HelloFriend> actually i remember debian was pretty good. only pulled out half my hair
06:57 < darkmeson> Configure via /etc/network/interfaces and ifup and ifdown the interface instead
06:58 < acf_> HelloFriend: is it wireless?
06:58 < HelloFriend> thanks will try. there virtual nics
06:58 < maryo> I have configured nexus package manager on Centos7, the status shows it is running but not able to access the UI. Any help would be appreciated. Here is what I see https://dpaste.de/kbBf
06:59 < darkmeson> Also keep in mind that you can write a tiny script and have it ran before the interface is brought up or after via the pre-up and post-up directives, respectively
06:59 < HelloFriend> i just wanted to set a simple ip and not have it reset in 10 secs lol
07:00 < acf_> yeah it's not difficult to do
07:00 < acf_> imo best approach is to use keep network manager running and set it inside network manager
07:00 < darkmeson> That's why you don't mix and match if you don't have to
07:00 < acf_> when you run network manager, it thinks it has control over all of the interfaces on the system
07:00 < acf_> unless you explicitly tell it to not touch some of them
07:01 < acf_> which is another option
07:01 < acf_> you can tell network manager not to touch your interface and then use ifconfig on it
07:01 < HelloFriend> sucks its pre installed. maybe I'll try debian or ubuntu server?
07:01 < acf_> network manager is really nice for desktop
07:01 < darkmeson> And if you REALLY must do something unusual, then a dummyN interface or an alias like eth0:N is a little less likely to be messed with
07:02 < acf_> it comes installed on debain when you install the desktop environment too
07:02 < acf_> it's pretty standard for linux on desktops
07:02 < acf_> I'd just keep it and play it's game
07:02 < darkmeson> I've heard good things about wicd too, but my use cases virtually require me to avoid both
07:03 < HelloFriend> yeah i need gui for copy and paste in vms otherwise would prefer only cli basdd distro
07:03 < acf_> I've used wicd also, several years ago
07:03 < acf_> iirc, it's nice in that it provides a GUI for your wireless interface while leaving mostly everything else alone
07:03 < darkmeson> Even handling wireless interfaces isn't so bad though once you're familiar with wpa_supplicant, pre and post up scripts, and udev persistent-net rules
07:04 < HelloFriend> ok I'll just disabld then try try again. thanks and later
07:06 < acf_> well my system came back up
07:06 < darkmeson> HelloFriend: you know, the vms' consoles can be provided over VNC, so you could theoretically use directvnc to access them from the console
07:07 < acf_> only lost a little bit of work :P
07:07 < darkmeson> That's apart from being able to use serial consoles and virtual ports for all kinds of other access
07:07 < acf_> was hoping to save some notes I had open though
07:07 < acf_> looks like /dev/mem doesn't work anymore for security reasons...
07:08 < akd> I am trying to get the version "v1.0.9" on the 2nd line of stdout here : https://paste.gnome.org/pfemun4fw , how is it possible using bash ?
07:08 < darkmeson> acf_: You mean /dev/kmem?
07:09 < acf_> is that the whole system memory?
07:09 < darkmeson> /dev/mem still exists
07:09 < darkmeson> kmem is Kernel MEMory
07:09 < acf_> it still exists but I get "Operation not permitted" when trying to read past the first 1MB
07:09 < darkmeson> ls -ld /dev/mem
07:10 < darkmeson> Wow, that was weird
07:10 < acf_> hm?
07:10 < acf_> akd: if you're just trying to extract the second line, maybe 'tail -n 1'
07:11 < darkmeson> That shouldn't have been able to get here from my terminal since I have clipboard sharing disabled
07:11 < akd> acf_, do you see line 1 ?
07:11 < darkmeson> I think I might have inadvertently click-and-dragged it over
07:11 < akd> 1st pipe
07:11  * darkmeson d idn't know that that was possible
07:12 < darkmeson> acf_: btw, I get the same thing from /dev/mem. iirc, there's a sysctl that has to be (un)set to get the old behavior
07:15 < acf_> hm
07:15 < acf_> looks like my kernel doesn't have it
07:15 < acf_> dev.mem.restricted that is
07:16 < acf_> security is great but it really gets in the way when you're trying to do debugging
07:37 < cmj> build a kernel yourself
07:42 < cmj> i could be wrong on many levels, this is what i sent my friend http://l.termbin.com/c745
07:58 < theraspberry> Hi, trying to setup a openvpn L2 bridge to forward ethernet traffic, however the bridge that I have created is not showing the same traffic on the added interfaces as on the actual bridge interface, meaning that the tap interface never gets to see the traffic on the eth0 interface which means nothing is working :(
07:59 < theraspberry> I've setup tun based openvpn in the past multiple times and never had issues, i specifically want the L2 VPN and this is why im trying to setup the ethernet bridge.
08:00 < lopid> "set up"
08:01 < ciscon> heh
08:04 < ciscon> theraspberry: the bridge interface needs to be treated like your ethernet interface currently is- ie give it an ip etc, then bridge both your tun/tap interface to it as well as your actual ethernet interface
08:06 < theraspberry> I've already created the bridge with my eth0 and applied the address on the bridge, however adding openvpn's tap device into the bridge seemingly does nothing
08:06 < theraspberry> I have no problems accessing that address. ciscon
08:07 < ciscon> if you tcpdump on the tap interface you don't see traffic?
08:08 < theraspberry> I've tcpdumped on the tap interface and i only see traffic from the other side of openvpn, say if i arping -I tap0 1.2.3.4
08:08 < theraspberry> the tap interface on the server, and using arping on the client that is connecting to the server via openvpn..
08:09 < theraspberry> however when I tcpdump the actual br0 interface, I can see the traffic from both, which is what I want. Or atleast i think it is.
08:10 < theraspberry> ciscon
08:11 < ciscon> i don't really see why you'd see one way but not both on something that's properly attached to bridge
08:11 < theraspberry> its kinda why i've been sitting here scratching my head.
08:12 < ciscon> you don't have any funky iptables rules do you?
08:12 < theraspberry> I do have systemd/firewalld..
08:13 < ciscon> i'd wipe all the iptables rules just to be sure it's not that doing something strange
08:14 < theraspberry> I'll try that now.
08:21 < theraspberry> disabled all iptables rules, sent ARPing from the client side that i can see on the servers tap0 interface, not shown on eth0 or br0 :/
08:21 < theraspberry> i've defenetly pinned it down to something wrong with the bridge
08:23 < ciscon> this is a pure linux bridge right, not some vswitch thing?
08:23 < theraspberry> yeah, just in centos 7, tried setting it with iproute2 aswell as 'brctl'
08:25 < ciscon> the only thing i can think of is a sysctl setting- though i can't say i've ever dealt with it using centos/rhel
08:26 < theraspberry> that's all g
08:27 < theraspberry> the host i am trying to set this up on has other services configured on it, I might try with a fresh slate with what I have now.
08:27 < theraspberry> thanks for listening ciscon :)
08:28 < ciscon> i can tell you that setting up an openvpn with bridging on debian/gentoo "just works" - i can't speak to centos though, sorry
08:48 < psyk3d> hi
08:50 < wyseguy> yo
08:52 < psyk3d> I have arch and void in dual boot, currently booted in arch, do you think I can chroot into void and make a package for it without rebooting?
08:53 < wyseguy> no idea lol
08:53 < wyseguy> sry, never ran arch, i gave up after the install was not point click done haha
08:59 < psyk3d> try antergos, its point click installer for arch
08:59 < sinatrablue> what is the benefit of arch over say mint?
08:59 < psyk3d> nothing really
09:00 < psyk3d> they are all linux
09:00 < sinatrablue> minimum installation size?
09:00 < psyk3d> they might do things differently
09:00 < crutchy> does smbnetfs allow access to shares on vpn clients from a lan outside the vpn server?
09:00 < psyk3d> Im not sure, but Im guessing 600mb
09:00 < crutchy> i'm a noob when it comes to vpn
09:00 < sinatrablue> hmm, is it more stable than debian?
09:01 < wyseguy> sinatrablue arch is like starting with a honda civic then making it into a race car where any other distro is starting with a bmw and leaving it as is
09:01 < psyk3d> I haven't had much trouble with it since I started using it
09:01 < sinatrablue> Could you not change the libraries and packages installed in any other os to match though?
09:01 < sinatrablue> or is there just not enough customization
09:02 < psyk3d> well thats not really a good comparison
09:02 < Sitri> Psi-Jack: you can make a package for void in the void chroot
09:02 < wyseguy> sinatrablue its a distro that has nothing and you make it what you want it to be, lots and lots of tinkering... i like to get in, do what i need to do and get out with out messing around the whole time because things don't work
09:02 < Sitri> Unless it does something that interfaces with the current running kernel
09:02 < sinatrablue> wyseguy, i like that
09:02 < Sitri> psyk3d: ^*
09:02 < psyk3d> i just tried it, it worked :D
09:03 < sinatrablue>  guess ill do a dualboot on this pc with arch
09:03 < sinatrablue> wish me luck mounting and all of that
09:03 < psyk3d> just use antergos
09:03 < psyk3d> much easier
09:03 < sinatrablue> is there any reason to not go the manual way?
09:03 < psyk3d> i mean if you like to go manual all power to you
09:03 < mgolisch> do they have a greater community?
09:03 < wyseguy> to me ubuntu works, lots of support, linux isnt ment to be a daliy driver which a lot of people try to make it... its slowly getting there but its not as easy as osx.... i use it for server stuff all the time, its good at what it was meant to be
09:04 < sinatrablue> im just wondering if ill be skipping something
09:04 < mgolisch> if not i would usualy not recommend weird spinoffs of other distributions
09:04 < sinatrablue> i guess mounting a partition isnt anything special
09:04 < psyk3d> wyseguy: i use arch as my daily driver
09:04 < psyk3d> and linux is pretty much out there
09:04 < psyk3d> its not that hard
09:04 < wyseguy> psyk3d ya different distros fit different people, some can use it as daily drivers others cant
09:05 < sinatrablue> i used ubuntu mate for awhile as a daily on my secondary computer, was frustrating
09:05 < psyk3d> sinatrablue: its not hard to install manually tbh, just make sure you have arch install guide open on other computer
09:05 < sinatrablue> the wifi command center never loaded properly
09:05 < oiaohm> wyseguy: depending on what you are doing OS X is always fun.
09:05 < mgolisch> no not realy
09:05 < wyseguy> psyk3d its not hard to me at all either, but you put a 65yr old on it or someone who has no idea what it is, that will never fly. Linux isnt made for the average joe, but they are pushing for it to become that
09:06 < sinatrablue> psyk3d, I think i will do a manual install just so i know whats going on, if i fail ill use the interaller
09:06 < mgolisch> its pure garbage
09:06 < psyk3d> sinatrablue: yea, that way you'll learn a lot also
09:06 < oiaohm> wyseguy: I do have people in there 60s using Linux.
09:06 < ioerror88> Manjaro aint bad imho, it's arch for end users.
09:06 < psyk3d> I used osx once, never again
09:06 < oiaohm> wyseguy:  Most of them using pure debian.
09:07 < sinatrablue> im used to debian working with rpi3's so you use pacman with arch
09:07 < Gasoline> crunchbang++
09:07 < psyk3d> The problem is theres a stigma around linux as being terribly hard
09:07 < psyk3d> its not hard, its different
09:07 < oiaohm> wyseguy: but I did make sure all hardware is Linux compadible.
09:07 < sinatrablue> i find windows far more confusing than linux
09:07 < wyseguy> oiaohm i like to do my work, search for some stuff online and youtube as a hobby, havent rebooted my mac pro in 6 months, thing just runs. Apple took unix and did something great with it. I have windows and ubuntu on parallels for when i need them. no one is the same, different strokes for different folks
09:08 < psyk3d> exactly
09:08 < wyseguy> psyk3d what did you not like about osx?
09:08 < mgolisch> finder?
09:08 < oiaohm> wyseguy: I have had a lot of fun when needing vpn and other things like that work under OS X.
09:08 < sinatrablue> psyk3d, linux seems more intuitive than windows, but when something goes wrong i have no idea where to start to solve the issue
09:08 < saku> I actually install synapse / gnome-do on my linux boxes
09:08 < wyseguy> oiaohm that's good, means there is a lot of support out there for open source drivers
09:08 < psyk3d> you can always start from arch wiki ;D
09:09 < Rembo> hello everyone, i have a small drive sda with / partion sda3 , i want to copy / files to another bigger drive , how can i do this?
09:09 < oiaohm> wyseguy: and I mean fun in the bad sense of randomish failures that are not happening under Linux or Windows.
09:09 < saku> clone and resize
09:09 < ioerror88> Don't forget to sacrifice a fresh CHICKEN to Our Great and Holy Leader, TUX.
09:09 < wyseguy> Rembo you can use dd
09:09 < wyseguy> just make sure you dont mix up the if and of :)
09:09 < psyk3d> wyseguy: when im using i feel like running naked in jungle with no restritions, when i used osx i felt like an uptight businessman in uncomfortable tuxedo who have to have this facade of holier than thou
09:10 < wyseguy> ioerror88 i 3d printed a few cup coasters with tux on them :p
09:10 < oiaohm> OS X dropping opengl is for sure going to cause me problems.  Particularly thinking I use blender and other things that need opengl.
09:10 < wyseguy> lol
09:10 < ioerror88> I suppose it may work but i hear her likes FISH rather well...
09:10 < oiaohm> In fact OS X opengl being old causes me problems.
09:10 < Rembo> wyseguy, i did clone the drive and it's working, it is ext3 partition and didn't work after resize
09:11 < wyseguy> Rembo maybe grub or another boot loader is not setup correctly?
09:11 < Rembo> wyseguy, can i copy all the files from / with same ownership and permisions to another / ?
09:11 < wyseguy> lots of unknowns in this
09:11 < wyseguy> Rembo there are other factors depending on what you are trying to do with the drive
09:12 < psyk3d> Rembo, simplest way is to mount both drives, and copy files
09:12 < wyseguy> clonezilla may be easiest
09:12 < cmj> cp -a
09:12 < sinatrablue> Wasnt there something special about pacman vs debian's apt-get, like it preserved dependencies even when removing?
09:12 < wyseguy> or something like that
09:13 < GodOfsea> Yo
09:13 < sinatrablue> wish me luck, going to do the arch install using the wiki
09:13 < mgolisch> its not hard
09:13 < psyk3d> sinatrablue: both aptitude and pacman can preserve deps or not, if you ask them to
09:13 < saku> what does "preserved dependencies even while removing" mean
09:13 < psyk3d> also all the best
09:13 < GodOfsea> Try Gentoo
09:13 < psyk3d> no, dont
09:13 < mgolisch> :)
09:13 < sinatrablue> lol
09:13 < mgolisch> wanted to say the same
09:13 < psyk3d> :P
09:14 < sinatrablue> ive read up on gentoo, nothanks
09:14 < sinatrablue> arch is enough for me right now lol
09:14 < wyseguy> sinatrablue same lol
09:14 < psyk3d> try void if you want, its source based but not a bitch
09:14 < GodOfsea> I have a similar question
09:14 < wyseguy> GodOfsea yo
09:14 < sinatrablue> will i use lightdm when installing arch?
09:15 < cmj> you can use whatever you want
09:15 < psyk3d> sinatrablue, it depends on which de you want
09:15 < psyk3d> which de do you have in mind
09:15 < psyk3d> gnome3?
09:15 < psyk3d> or xfce4?
09:15 < sinatrablue>  oh i was wondering, where can i find all of these packages, i cant never rememeber the actual pack names
09:16 < cmj> you can use lightdm to launch everything
09:16 < psyk3d> sudo pacman -Ss <package>
09:16 < psyk3d> to search
09:16 < psyk3d> sudo pacman -S <package> to install
09:16 < sinatrablue> psyk3d, that helps so much
09:16 < GodOfsea> Sick of using ubuntu , But the problem is , I have my public keys in lots of servers ( 8 or 9 ) so if I copy my ssh  folder to a fresh distro , will they work ?
09:16 < psyk3d> :P
09:16 < psyk3d> yeah
09:16 < psyk3d> GodOfsea, yea
09:16 < sinatrablue> ive sat trying to remember the pack names for thirty minutes before
09:16 < psyk3d> you can always install pamac
09:17 < psyk3d> its a gui for pacman
09:17 < sinatrablue> is that a package manager?
09:17 < sinatrablue> hmm, is it like synaptic?
09:17 < psyk3d> yea
09:17 < sinatrablue> ive had back luck with auto installers, maybie its just me
09:17 < psyk3d> what do you mean by auto installer?
09:17 < kerframil> saku: curiously enough, gentoo can do exactly that. if a library provided by a package is to be removed, but is still found to be referenced by other ELF binaries, it is preserved until such time as it is no longer referenced.
09:18 < sinatrablue> well package managers like synaptic,
09:18 < GodOfsea> psyk3d sure about that ?
09:18 < sinatrablue> alwell, if im successfull i should see you guys on here when i log in with arch
09:19 < psyk3d> GodOfsea: I'm not giving gurantee, but I've done it before
09:19 < saku> kerframil, but then the problem is if I have software that I just compile and run without installing, removal of system libraries can break it. I think it is never a smart idea to remove libs automatically.
09:19 < psyk3d> sinatrablue: god speed
09:19 < GodOfsea> Great.
09:20 < jim> yeah I only sometimes have any success remembering exact package names (which is what I need to install them), apt-cache search (put stuff here) works for me
09:20 < GodOfsea> I will start looking for a minimal fedora or debian distro
09:20 < RainyCode> hey, lets say i accidentally replace /bin/sh with another app. now I can't ssh into my linux server. fixable?
09:20 < wyseguy> singalaut good lucks!
09:20 < mgolisch> GodOfsea: how about debian or fedora?
09:20 < cmj> axi-cache is good too
09:20 < psyk3d> RainyCode: How did you do that may I ask?
09:20 < singalaut> wyseguy: ?
09:21 < psyk3d> did you install another shell?
09:21 < GodOfsea> mgolisch :D  they both have their perks i cant decide
09:21 < RainyCode> psyk3d `mv some-executable.file /bin/sh`
09:21 < jim> the debian netinstall contains the minimal debian packages... it will install from that image if you leave the net unconfigured (otherwise it will get the initial, minimal debian from the net)
09:21 < wyseguy> singalaut sorry that was meant for sinatrablue... I have login logout messages turned off so my tab key chose you :p
09:22 < GodOfsea> jim thanks jim :D
09:22 < wyseguy> that was a lot of jim's
09:22 < wyseguy> jim
09:22 < psyk3d> RainyCode: sry no clue
09:23 < jim> 6 jims in 3 lines!
09:23 < kerframil> saku: I'm not sure you understood. this feature pretty much makes that impossible. let me give you an example. let's say I coerce portage into uninstalling openssl (it will complain but comply). back in the day, that would instantly break anything that linked to libssl.so, libcrypto.so and so forth.
09:23 < GodOfsea> Whatever I am gonna use its GNOME
09:23 < GodOfsea> haha :D
09:23 < GodOfsea> jim , Everyone likes jim
09:23 < psyk3d> kerframil: that is expected, not only of gentoo, but any other distr
09:23 < mgolisch> oh noe, there goes the the minimal
09:23 < wyseguy> jim thats a world record jim
09:24 < psyk3d> I can see only 1 jim
09:24 < kerframil> saku: what it does now is to scan all of the ELF binaries that it manages. if there are any references still to the libraries that would otherwise have been removed, these librares are specifically preserved, even though the "openssl" package has technically been uninstalled.
09:24 < GodOfsea> mgolisch 0_0 why ?
09:24 < saku> aha, interesting
09:24 < GodOfsea> what distro yall using ?
09:25 < mgolisch> arch/gentoo/ubuntu
09:25 < psyk3d> arch/void
09:25 < wyseguy> GodOfsea osx on a mac pro and ubuntu and windows in parallels
09:25 < pingfloyd> debian
09:25 < kerframil> saku: that means, for instance, that I can conduct a switch from openssl to libressl without breaking anything during the process. emerge -C openssl to uninstall (things still work); emerge libressl; emerge @preserved-rebuild (the @preserved-rebuild set is a virtual set of packages that will expand to all of the packages for whom the removed openssl libraries were preserved)
09:25 < saku> how does it manage ELFs? There is a mechanism to auto-add to the list?
09:25 < kerframil> saku: finally, it would clean the preserved libraries when it is known to be safe
09:25 < kerframil> saku: this feature does not exist in any other distro I'm aware of
09:25 < mgolisch> saku: only for stuff thats been installed by the package manager obviously
09:25 < GodOfsea> we got a gentoo fan here mgolisch
09:26 < mgolisch> how would it know about your random app in $HOME/bin/ or so
09:26 < saku> that was my question
09:26 < saku> but in theory identifying ELFs is not hard so
09:26 < kerframil> saku: basically, portage scans all of the ELF binaries that it manages during the phase in which it is iterating over the list of files to unlink from a package that the user has requested to be uninstalled
09:26 < psyk3d> Maybe If I get a stronger computer I'll try gentoo, on my 3rd gen i5 with 4gb ram, it takes ages
09:27 < kerframil> saku: any that need to be preserved are stashed in a list, along with their referees, so to speak
09:27 < saku> I see
09:27 < kerframil> saku: it will keep the files around for as long as it has to, but knows when to clean up
09:29 < saku> I see. And there is a good way to figure out which things are fake-removed vs actually removed?
09:29 < wyseguy> saku fake?
09:29 < pikaro> hi! I'm trying to set up dnsmasq with dnscrypt-proxy. however, it's failing dnssec on every single query and I haven't found out why. config currently looks like this: https://pastebin.com/K9agEsUx, also includes dnsmasq log. downgrading to the stable versions (I'm on debian unstable) changes nothing. neither does using another resolver or using dnssec-proxy. result always: " dnssec-query[DS] com to 127.0.2.1 - reply com is BOGUS
09:29 < pikaro> DS" any advice?
09:29 < kerframil> saku: well, it nags you about preserved libraries every time you install a package thereafter
09:29 < ioerror88> arch/manjaro/funtoo/gentoo/debian. All are useful.
09:29 < kerframil> saku: and advises to run emerge @preserved-rebuild to rebuild those packages that are still pinning these preserved libraries
09:29 < GodOfsea> psyk3d void , is it cool ? why do you use it ?
09:29 < pikaro> just using dnscrypt-proxy for lookups alone works, but I need that other resolver for domain.com
09:30 < psyk3d> systemd-free
09:30 < psyk3d> but I started using void only a week back
09:30 < kerframil> saku: one could merely list the packages eligible to be recompiled with emerge --pretend @preserve-rebuild at that point.
09:30 < psyk3d> so I have to start ricing it
09:30 < psyk3d> its startup time is so less, it makes arch feels like a granny
09:30 < kerframil> saku: I'll show you a real example, as I made a libressl switch recently
09:30 < pingfloyd> how come you don't stick with void?
09:31 < psyk3d> because I already have arch setup properly
09:31 < kerframil> saku: https://bpaste.net/raw/890f6b9ef5c9
09:31 < psyk3d> once I have void setup according to me, I think ill uninstall arch
09:31 < kerframil> saku: that's showing me two files that were preserved from the previous ssl providing package (that was uninstalled), and telling me that 13 binaries are still linking to them
09:31 < wonderer> hi all
09:32 < pingfloyd> void sounds pretty interesting
09:32 < psyk3d> I dont like distro hopping, but void is faaaast! lol
09:32 < psyk3d> and systemd-free :P
09:32 < ioerror88> I like to switch it up and pick a different distro from the iPXE menu sometimes,  just for the hell of it kinda thing.
09:32 < pingfloyd> has some nice features
09:32 < wonderer> can anyone help with block spamsbot using a particular referrer?  I posted this question in stackflow but my question got sidelined :/
09:32 < kerframil> saku: if I run emerge @preserved-rebuild now, it will recompile all of the packages that own them (bind-tools and whatever else in my case)
09:32 < wonderer> https://serverfault.com/questions/915593/apache-rewrite-rule-not-working-for-blocking-spamdexing-referrer-http-site-ru
09:32 < saku> aha
09:32 < saku> nice
09:32 < pingfloyd> also uses libreSSL ootb
09:32 < pingfloyd> XBPS sounds interesting
09:32 < ioerror88> psyk3d: funtoo can be systemd free too if you prefer gentoo. I'm torn between emerge/portage+git (funtoo) and pacman + some homebrew git goodies
09:32 < kerframil> saku: at that point, they should all be compiled against libressl-2.7.3, and if that went well, it would remove libcrytop.so.42*
09:33 < kerframil> saku: I wouldn't need to clean up manually
09:33 < psyk3d> ioerror88, like I said, ill try *ntoo when I have a better computer
09:33 < psyk3d> building takes ages on what I have right now
09:33 < jim> brb
09:33 < GodOfsea> I have only used debain based and fedora and centos , they all got systemd , idk whats systemd-free is
09:34 < mgolisch> it means it doesnt use systemd
09:34 < ioerror88> psyk3d: Yea, give funtoo a look. It's a gentoo based but some refreshing changes
09:34 < GodOfsea> what does systemd does exactly
09:34 < psyk3d> ioerror88, cool ill check it out
09:34 < ioerror88> Everything. And the kitchen sink.
09:34 < wonderer> hi
09:34 < kerframil> saku: without this mechanism, bind-tools and the owners of the other 10 files mentioned would all have broken from this switch. this feature is really great.
09:35 < psyk3d> lol
09:35 < wonderer> anyone able to advise on my apache rewrite rule question?
09:35 < mgolisch> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bZId5j2jREQ/U-vlysklvCI/AAAAAAAACrA/B4JggkVJi38/w426-h284/bd0fb252416206158627fb0b1bff9b4779dca13f.gif
09:35 < pingfloyd> GodOfsea: more than it ever should
09:35 < ioerror88> pingfloyd: amen.
09:35 < pingfloyd> GodOfsea: i.e., systemd has moved in and is trying to take over userland
09:36 < psyk3d> mgolisch, hahahah that gif is epic
09:36 < saku> cool
09:36 < GodOfsea> lol
09:36 < psyk3d> linux philosphy is kiss - keep it simple stupid
09:36 < pingfloyd> systemd is the Kraken
09:36 < saku> I abhor the idea of systemd but unfortunately I don't see a long-term future of linux without systemd
09:37 < saku> So I feel like I should not avoid it...
09:37 < psyk3d> I like linux because that philosphy resonates with my lifes philosophy
09:37 < saku> It's quite sad really
09:37 < pingfloyd> sticking its big tentacles into everything
09:37 < GodOfsea> so i have been feeding a kraken all this time
09:37 < psyk3d> saku: may I ask why?
09:37 < pingfloyd> saku: linux was fine before it existed
09:37 < pingfloyd> saku: it didn't really do anything for linux
09:38 < psyk3d> saku: why do you see no future of linux without systemd
09:38 < ioerror88> systemd is like big girls.. some people like em.. Not my thing.
09:38 < pingfloyd> except pull a microsoft on linux
09:38 < GodOfsea> I do
09:38 < saku> More and more software will do things the systemd way
09:38 < ioerror88> saku: That's tragic.
09:38 < pingfloyd> and then you'll have Windows all over again
09:38 < saku> and not bowing down to it will eat up more of my time
09:39 < Aph3x-WL> then we go to freebsd and do the same to them >:D
09:39 < pingfloyd> Aph3x-WL: my thoughts exactly
09:39 < pingfloyd> Aph3x-WL: you saw where I was going with this.  Gold star!
09:39 < psyk3d> except gnome3, which is abomination in its own, nothing is dependent on systemd
09:39 < Aph3x-WL> :D
09:39 < ioerror88> Why bother? The meteor is coming...They're already stocking the bunkers...
09:39 < psyk3d> specially more general purpose softwares
09:40 < pingfloyd> udev depends on systemd
09:40 < GodOfsea> Ok , So I started a discussion I should not have ?
09:40 < pingfloyd> it didn't used to
09:40 < psyk3d> hehehe
09:40 < ioerror88> udev is also the antichrist.
09:40 < GodOfsea> i am hindu
09:40 < ioerror88> There are versions that are freestanding,however.
09:40 < psyk3d> hindu hi5 :D
09:40 < saku> devuan
09:41 < psyk3d> im hindu/buddhist
09:41 < saku> slack
09:41 < GodOfsea> Sweet
09:41 < ioerror88> I worship electrons.
09:41 < mgolisch> all distros we use at work use systemd so not realy a way around it, then again i sort of like alot of their tools
09:41 < GodOfsea> ioerror88 name checks out
09:41 < pingfloyd> systemd is a power play by redhat over the linux community
09:41 < saku> one giant binary? seriously?
09:41 < saku> :/
09:42 < mgolisch> no it isnt
09:42 < ioerror88> systemd makes me vomit in my mouth, choke it down, and repeat. Over and over. Until I die :(
09:42 < psyk3d> hehehe
09:42 < psyk3d> wish arch would move away from it
09:42 < pingfloyd> good luck stopping them though.  They realize the value of linux and are positioning themselves as the dominant player.
09:42 < wonderer> anyone able to help on my q?
09:42 < kerframil> pingfloyd: udev does not depend on systemd as a whole. it can be run in isolation just fine.
09:42 < pingfloyd> MS is trying to do the same, but they're joke to linux community, so they already lost before they began.
09:43 < ioerror88> between systemd taint and all that android nonsense contaminating the kernel..I really miss Linux before canonical...
09:43 < psyk3d> ioerror88: feelz
09:43 < ioerror88> I could fit a VERY USABLE system image in 64mb (bite sized for netboot clients) and still have room to stash a few easter eggs....
09:44 < mgolisch> what did canonical do for linux?
09:44 < saku> wonderer, unable to see your q, redirects to generic page
09:44 < GodOfsea> I just wanted a cool distro to do sysadmin stuff :(     ubuntu is heating up my laptop
09:44 < ioerror88> Now i cant even get a damn kernel under 64mb :O
09:44 < psyk3d> I have a dream of making a de for smartphones, so people could use vanilla linux
09:44 < ioerror88> GodOfsea: Manjaro XFCE.  Very light.
09:44 < GodOfsea> psyked postmarket os
09:44 < pingfloyd> psyk3d: arch will never move away from systemd, they worship it.  They were one of the early adopters of it in fact.
09:45 < GodOfsea> ioerror88 its in my list :) I will try that
09:45 < psyk3d> hey, no tax on wishing :P
09:45 < pingfloyd> eventually something better will come along though.  Question is if it will be as much or worse of a monstrosity.
09:45 < psyk3d> postmarket os?
09:45 < saku> I feel compelled to point out that PulseAudio was also a complete piece of unusable crap
09:45 < psyk3d> what is that
09:46 < pingfloyd> saku: it's still crap
09:46 < GodOfsea> saku agreed
09:46 < Aph3x-WL> ioerror88: what distro are you running that your kernel is 64mb? :|
09:46 < saku> I suspected that
09:46 < pingfloyd> saku: just a little less buggy of a POS
09:46 < hendrix> psyk3d: there would need to be apps for mobile linux too. lot's of them. desktop apps in smartphones are not really killer combo
09:46 < saku> so let's put more code of such quality in critical places. what could go wrong
09:46 < psyk3d> yea, wonder what happened to ubuntu phone os
09:47 < GodOfsea> postmarket os is gonna be a bomb tho
09:47 < pingfloyd> you could sit there and compare it against arts and esound, but what a low bar as those were complete POS.
09:47 < GodOfsea> if they get sponsors to speed things up
09:47 < pingfloyd> so okay, it's better than those
09:47 < saku> how is OSS4?
09:48 < hendrix> and there's already de's for phones, no need to make more of them. plasma mobile, enlightenment, gnome can do it since it's come to librem5, etc
09:49 < pingfloyd> just have to gear the layout and widgets to mobile
09:50 < pingfloyd> (do your ui to the strengths of a touchscreen interface)
09:51 < huihui> Anybody use ubuntu 18.04 ?
09:51 < pingfloyd> on a desktop or laptop you want the UI to be shortcut heavy
09:51 < mgolisch> huihui: most likely
09:52 < pingfloyd> nobody has ever used 18.04
09:53 < pingfloyd> huihui: buzzkill
09:53 < saku> why do you ask?
09:59 < searedvandal> probably one or two 18.04 users in the ubuntu channel
09:59 < OnceMe> how can I mount android filesystem like a regular disk?
10:00 < pingfloyd> use mtp
10:01 < saku> mtp != regular disk though
10:01 < pingfloyd> gmtp or go-mtpfs
10:02 < pingfloyd> regular disk is irrelevant and bad wording to begin with
10:02 < saku> if you want to mount it as usb msc, it is no longer possible
10:02 < pingfloyd> what matters is being able to mount it as an fs
10:06 < saku> btw, just wondering, with MS taking over github, what's the future for atom?
10:06 < mgolisch> the editor thing?
10:06 < saku> yes
10:07 < mgolisch> oh i see because if code
10:07 < mgolisch> of
10:07 < saku> yes
10:08 < kirk781> Is Atom migrating from GitHub?
10:08 < mgolisch> no but ms bought github who made atom
10:09 < mgolisch> and they have their own editor/ide hybdrid thing based on the same technology name visual studio code, i think saku was just wondering if they would somehow force that to be shut down in favor of their editor
10:09 < saku> ^
10:10 < kirk781> Visual Studio is bloated as fsck
10:10 < saku> VS != VS code
10:10 < saku> though the bloat remains I think
10:11 < m712> jesus christ
10:11 < mgolisch> but as its opensource someone could pick it up if they do, but with the latest trends with ms i dont realy think they would push any radical changes to anything github does, they seem to have become smarter than that sort of stuff, they are not oracle
10:11 < saku> VS code is open source, based on the electron thingy. They are capitalizing on the VS brnad that's it
10:11 < m712> my fan broke my computer
10:11 < m712> my standing fan that blows air to my face broke my computer
10:11 < saku> hmm
10:11 < m712> it pulls so much current that my computer undervolts and my gpu breaks
10:12 < chap> kirk781, atom is continuing development independently from MS's acquisition of Github
10:12 < saku> only while starting up right
10:12 < saku> and you might have a bad PS
10:12 < chap> I think the project manager stated that on Slack, iirc
10:12 < saku> I see
10:13 < kirk781> I wonder if Microsoft's acquisition has caused some devs to flee Github?
10:14 < m712> kirk781: i heard 15k devs moved to gitlab
10:14 < m712> and it's currently experiencing load issues
10:15 < m712> that's what you get for using RoR :^)
10:15 < saku> I have been using GitLab since before and it was never particularly speedy
10:15 < mgolisch> the hosted thing?
10:16 < mgolisch> never used that
10:16 < saku> not self-hosted, their servers
10:19 < mgolisch> ah i see, only ever used gitlab ce on our own server
10:19 < GodOfsea> back !
10:24 < Kharma> I never much liked GitLab.. Don't know why, I love Github.. never got interested in migrating to Gitlab.. especially after they dropped git-annex support
10:25 < saku> On their website, they user gitlab.com/foo to get to user foo
10:25 < saku> this seems a little intrepid
10:25 < saku> gitlab.com/user/foo sounds better
10:25 < saku> and leaves more room for logical expansion
10:25 < Kharma> I'd prefer it as /u/foo IMO
10:25 < saku> yes
10:25 < saku> something like that
10:26 < saku> my point was username at / is a little risky
10:28 < system16> is this command wrong ? whois some.ip.address.s
10:28 < Kharma> risque' is kinky though ;p
10:30 < wonderer> anyone able to help with this question i posted? https://serverfault.com/questions/915593/apache-rewrite-rule-not-working-for-blocking-spamdexing-referrer-http-site-ru
10:30 < GodOfsea> whois works best for domain names system16
10:31 < system16> but i still get results using that command
10:31 < GodOfsea> wonderer the apache irc
10:31 < wonderer> GodOfsea address?
10:31 < wonderer> am in httpd chan but dead in there
10:33 < GodOfsea> system16 yes it mostly tells you about the company that owns that ip range , mostly companies that sell vps or cloud hosting
10:34 < saku> wonderer, your link redirs to https://serverfault.com/questions/214512/redirect-change-urls-or-redirect-http-to-https-in-apache-everything-you-ever
10:34 < saku> which is a generic page
10:34 < sinatrablue> im so confused installing arch
10:34 < sinatrablue> ive failed
10:35 < saku> I am curious, what's so different about it?
10:35 < OnceMe> saku I want it to mount as USB regular drive, cause I want to retrieve some removed files
10:35 < GodOfsea> sinatrablue I am gonna install manjaro , downloading it rightnow
10:35 < GodOfsea> what happened ?
10:35 < saku> okay, so?
10:35 < saku> ntfs-3g?
10:36 < sinatrablue> Literally nothing, i got to the point of wiping the second usb drive and i cant locate it
10:36 < sinatrablue> fdisk -1 returns syntax error
10:36 < saku> dmesg sees it?
10:36 < sinatrablue> gdisk returns syn error
10:37 < GodOfsea> system16 try dig or nslookup if that ip has reverse dns
10:37 < sinatrablue> dmesg shows both usb drives
10:37 < sinatrablue> lsblk shows two trees
10:38 < sinatrablue> attempting to wipe the drive with gdisk gives syn error
10:38 < GodOfsea> dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer ///// whats kernel ring buffer ?
10:39 < Kharma> nginx or apache?  I'm checking out nginx and it seems pretty sweet.. especially for a newbie..  anything I should be aware of with it?
10:40 < autopsy> Beware of it.
10:40 < autopsy> Be aware of it.
10:40 < phrost> yeah it will use less memory than apache
10:40 < phrost> careful
10:40 < autopsy> Lolz.
10:40 < GodOfsea> I m a apache person . its so easy to use
10:41 < GodOfsea> but if you want you can try candy server , its amazing !!!!
10:41 < phrost> yeah but do u think apache>nginx?
10:41 < sinatrablue> im retarded
10:41 < phrost> GodOfsea:
10:41 < sinatrablue> its fdisk -L
10:41 < sinatrablue> not fdisk -1
10:42 < phrost> l1l1l1l1l1l
10:42 < GodOfsea> i knew that , but I thought it was a typo sinatrablue
10:42 < phrost> Il1Il1Il1
10:42 < sinatrablue> GodOfsea, i feel stupid
10:42 < sinatrablue> considering if you look under hardware it shows up as numbers 0-whatever thats why i thought it was numbered
10:43 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: yeah, that is pretty retarded
10:43 < GodOfsea> phrost yeah , it is for me .
10:44 < GodOfsea> lol
10:44 < pingfloyd> are you using some retarded font in your console?
10:44 < sinatrablue> whatever comes stock with arch
10:44 < GodOfsea> exactly what I was going to ask
10:44 < GodOfsea> whats kernel ring buffer
10:44 < pingfloyd> GodOfsea: dmesg
10:44 < phrost> apache is good im not a hater GodOfsea
10:45 < GodOfsea>  I did a man dmesg
10:45 < GodOfsea> dmesg - print or control the kernel ring buffer
10:45 < pingfloyd> that's what you're seeing with dmesg
10:45 < pingfloyd> the kernel ring buffer
10:45 < pingfloyd> its contents
10:46 < pingfloyd> "The kernel ring buffer is a data structure that records messages related to the operation of the kernel. A ring buffer is a special kind of buffer that is always a constant size, removing the oldest messages when new messages come in."
10:46 < sinatrablue> arch is now asking for a label type after selecting the drive, what is a label type?
10:46 < autopsy> Label Type like gpt DOS etc.
10:46 < sinatrablue>  Yeah, what should i choose for an x86 installation?
10:47 < GodOfsea> so ext4 is a label type ?
10:47 < GodOfsea> ext4 is a file type
10:47 < pingfloyd> think of ouroboros
10:47 < sinatrablue> Ah its for the boot table type
10:47 < Kharma> GodOfsea: honestly, nginx seems WAY easier to configure than apache
10:48 < sinatrablue> Looks like ill be using dos
10:48 < GodOfsea> Kharma maybe , I have been using it for a long time , I like it
10:48 < GodOfsea> err why
10:48 < Kharma> Seems.. I actually haven't tried nginx yet.. but based on what I've been reading
10:49 < pingfloyd> Kharma: maybe you're reading something a good author wrote?
10:49 < autopsy> Maybe nginx is easier to set up.
10:49 < searedvandal> nginx, apache, potato potato
10:49 < pingfloyd> not everyone is a great writer
10:49 < Kharma> sure, if you're used to apache it would be piece of cake either way.. oo caddy server is good too but I think it is a little basic. the always HTTPS is nice though
10:50 < GodOfsea> sinatrablue: try mbr
10:50 < Kharma> lol searedvandal
10:50 < pingfloyd> tomato tomato
10:50 < autopsy> Tomato Tomato.
10:50 < Kharma> hukuna matata
10:50 < pingfloyd> let's just call the whole thing off
10:50 < autopsy> Lulfwtfz.
10:50 < GodOfsea> but gpt is a improvement
10:50 < searedvandal> I find both easy enough to set up for what I need, so it's a coin toss for me what I choose
10:50 < sinatrablue> Ah i was wrong, gpt it is for uefi installation
10:51 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: well yeah
10:51 < autopsy> GPT is for UEFI I think. With DOS filesystem.
10:51 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: you didn't mention uefi until just now
10:51 < autopsy> Ahh nah.
10:51 < autopsy> Not goin do it.
10:51 < sinatrablue> pingfloyd, Yeah im still new to this whole arch thing
10:52 < autopsy> What is Arch anyhow?
10:52 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: it's more of an fdisk or whatever disk util you're using, thing.
10:52 < GodOfsea> autopsy same , whatever my client wants to use , personally I use apache
10:52 < autopsy> Does it glow in the darches?
10:52 < GodOfsea> lo;
10:52 < searedvandal> arch is the linux of arch enemies
10:52 < GodOfsea> lo
10:52 < GodOfsea> lol
10:52 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: you can partition with whichever one you want (I'm sure they only give you one or two though).
10:52 < autopsy> My Arch Nemesis's operating system. Good call.
10:53 < searedvandal> nemesis was the word
10:53 < Kharma> Arch is Linux level 100 compared to Newbuntu
10:53 < pingfloyd> arch linux is like those Archway cookies--gross and cardboard like.
10:53 < autopsy> Does it have syscalls like kill_autopsy() and die_young_one()?
10:53 < searedvandal> ol'buntu
10:53 < pingfloyd> the kind only a senile grandma suffering from dementia would buy.
10:53 < searedvandal> autopsy, hopse so
10:53 < searedvandal> hope*
10:54 < autopsy> Ahh . Not good. I'm gonna die() soon.
10:54 < searedvandal> oops()
10:54  * autopsy snickers
10:55 < autopsy> searedvandal, why arch though why not Fedora?
10:56 < searedvandal> I got a fedora somewhere in my closet
10:56 < pingfloyd> autopsy: hipster effect
10:56 < autopsy> Hipster Protocol V.2
10:56 < pingfloyd> searedvandal: oh, you're one of them
10:57 < searedvandal> hipster 2000
10:57 < pingfloyd> searedvandal: that guy wearing a fedora.
10:57 < autopsy> You got a Fedora in your closet. Wow.
10:57 < NGC3982_> m'lady.
10:57 < searedvandal> I wore it in the late 90s
10:57 < pingfloyd> that's more like trying to be hip but failing miserably
10:58 < autopsy> Fail to be Hipster 2018.
10:58 < searedvandal> oh yeah, I'm a failure 2.0
10:58 < autopsy> Hello Tacos.
10:58 < autopsy> Failure 0.1.0 more like.
10:58 < pingfloyd> failing at being hip isn't much of a loss
10:58 < searedvandal> nah, I like failing
10:58 < autopsy> Failing is for the birds.
10:59 < searedvandal> all birds?
10:59 < autopsy> Just big black birds.
10:59 < autopsy> Crows I think.
11:00 < agent_white> Debian is best. Working with packages years past EOL is kinda like the same rush as bleeding edge, right?
11:00 < searedvandal> autopsy, ravens?
11:00 < pingfloyd> agent_white: yeah
11:00 < sinatrablue> Ok that mounting wasnt nearly as bad as i thought it was going to be
11:00 < autopsy> Same rush of toxic white in ur nose.
11:01 < autopsy> searedvandal, ravens too.
11:01 < sinatrablue> now to see if i overwrote my windows installation
11:01 < autopsy> sinatrablue, well yeah its not like a colonoscopy.
11:01 < autopsy> Shouldn't be anyways.
11:01 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: can only hope
11:01 < sinatrablue> autopsy, well i was waiting for something to break lol
11:02 < autopsy> Could be your box is in shambles. The drive has read errors maybe. Check smartctl
11:02 < OnceMe> saku I want it to mount as USB regular drive, cause I want to retrieve some removed files
11:03 < pingfloyd> whose box is in shambles?
11:11 < sinatrablue> sweet jesus terminus is so much easier to read
11:12 < searedvandal> terminus <3
11:12 < pankaj> Does any user here uses xterm as default terminal multiplexer in linux?
11:19 < sinatrablue> damnit i screwed up, looks like i was using a grub tutorial and switched to sysctrl halfway and it destroyed itself
11:19 < sinatrablue> missing efi partition, so ive got to restart
11:20 < mgolisch> pankaj: it cant realy multiplex anything it doesnt even have tabs
11:20 < xormor> if I kill a process or an application or a program, does the memory get freed?
11:20 < agent_white> pankaj: I do.
11:20 < mgolisch> its probably the worst terminal emulator in existence
11:22 < saku> tmux
11:23 < agent_white> mgolisch: I dunno, it's simple. When you don't care about ricing and just functionality, it's fine.
11:29 < kazdax> finally got my rhel installed on hardware
11:32 < GodOfsea> .,
11:33 < GodOfsea> sinatrablue: its fun though
11:39 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: is this your first dist?
11:41 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, just follow the arch installation guide on their site and it should be smooth sailing
11:41 < psyk3d> sinatrablue, where are you stuck?
11:42 < sinatrablue> uhg i was trying to get back to wipe the drive and start over but i found out that UEFI wasnt set, and it was installing in bios
11:43 < sinatrablue> but even when i set to UEFI boot only in bios it still doesnt show /sys/firmware/efi
11:43 < sinatrablue> so now im going to wipe the usb drive and reburn the iso on to it
11:43 < sinatrablue> also wipe the ssd from windows
11:43 < searedvandal> is this your first experience with linux?
11:44 < sinatrablue> Not my first one, but my first time manually installing
11:45 < searedvandal> I see. as I mentioned, follow the arch guide. it's pretty good and should be able to get you through your first installation. at least it did for me, just went through it from start to finish and everything was good
11:46 < sinatrablue> Well i screwed up and switched from installing bios halfway through and accidentally installed both grub and sysctrl
11:46 < sinatrablue> Not sure if its a big deal, but im going to start over and not do something stupid like that again
11:47 < searedvandal> just boot into the live usb again and start over.
11:47 < OnceMe> is it possible to turn MTP to regular USB drive?
11:47 < OnceMe> I want to use testdisk on it
11:47 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, the problem is now that im trying to boot into UEFI and /sys/firmware/efi isnt showing up
11:49 < GodOfsea> manjaro comes with steam preinstalled
11:52 < autopsy> Man Jar O Flies.
11:53 < searedvandal> cool, that command takes me to "O - Generic interface to Perl Compiler backends" autopsy
11:53 < searedvandal> since o is the only man entry I got
11:55 < autopsy> searedvandal, I knew it would lead to a higher learning.
11:55 < searedvandal> sure did
11:59 < sinatrablue> Looks like the usb drive i burned the arch iso to is unreadable on windows as well, odd
11:59 < autopsy> It burned it as UDF right?
12:00 < sinatrablue> Not sure, i used etcher
12:00 < sinatrablue> probably my issue
12:00 < autopsy> Not sure what etcher is.
12:00 < autopsy> Use dd.exe
12:00 < searedvandal> you were able to boot into it once, right?
12:00 < sinatrablue> Nope never got a chance to boot into it
12:00 < sinatrablue> attempting to boot into it said "boot file is missing"
12:00 < autopsy> Those programs can be flaky.
12:01 < sinatrablue> Should i be using DD for uefi?
12:01 < sinatrablue> or does it matter
12:01 < autopsy> sinatrablue, try BIOS legacy mode.
12:01 < OnceMe> I want to use testdisk on it
12:01 < OnceMe> is it possible to turn MTP to regular USB drive?
12:01 < GodOfsea> minipartition wizard is the best , windows cant read a lot of file systems
12:01 < autopsy> dd.exe for UEFI.
12:02 < autopsy> You write a disc image.
12:02 < sinatrablue> autopsy, i might be able to install it in bios, thats what i originally started on but because this is a dualboot it was suggested to go with uefi
12:02 < autopsy> It has all the UEFI stuffs on it.
12:02 < OnceMe> help me
12:02 < autopsy> sinatrablue, try it in BIOS legacy mode seriously.
12:03 < sinatrablue> Alright ill give legacy a shot
12:03 < pingfloyd> sinatrablue: did you disable secure boot?
12:03 < sinatrablue> pingfloyd, ill check
12:04 < pingfloyd> you want it disabled
12:04 < searedvandal> secure boot, the thorn in everyones side
12:04 < pingfloyd> racket boot
12:07 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, if you need to write the iso to a usb stick again, use one of the methods that arch has in their wiki. either one should work just fine. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#In_Windows
12:07 < sinatrablue> pingfloyd, My mb doesnt give me a normal secure boot option, i have a "security option" and the options are system and setup
12:07 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, Yeah im going to follow it strictly now after re-burning the iso
12:08 < pingfloyd> you sure you didn't miss it?
12:08 < searedvandal> what mobo do you have?
12:08 < sinatrablue> Yeah im still searching but im not seeing it
12:08 < sinatrablue> Ah CSM support is enabled
12:09 < pingfloyd> need efi enabled to change secure boot
12:09 < pingfloyd> you want efi enabled and secure boot disabled
12:09 < pingfloyd> you partition tables should be gpt
12:09 < sinatrablue> haha figured it out
12:09 < pingfloyd> good
12:10 < sinatrablue> pingfloyd, with CSM enabled, it emulated legacy bios even with UEFI only selected and hid secure boot options
12:10 < pingfloyd> that was the default?
12:10 < sinatrablue> Yeah
12:10 < gunix> how do i change the powerline theme for bash ?
12:11 < gunix> i want to set default_leftonly but i don't know how
12:11 < mgolisch> read its documentation?
12:12 < searedvandal> probably in the powerline config file
12:12 < pingfloyd> maybe man powerline?
12:13 < searedvandal> ~/.config/powerline-shell/config.json
12:13 < searedvandal> or something along those lines
12:13 < autopsy> Powerline. It has powa.
12:14 < gunix> searedvandal: that didn't work
12:15 < gunix> https://bpaste.net/show/297e2d6ee053
12:15 < gunix> i added the config but it doesn't seem to leoad
12:15 < gunix> to load
12:15 < gunix> i still don't get git info and error from last command on the left side
12:16 < mgolisch> you did restart your terminal?
12:17 < gunix> i executed "bash" to force reload of ~/.bashrc
12:19 < searedvandal> "powerline-daemon --replace"
12:20 < searedvandal> is the powerline daemon is running. "ps aux | grep powerline"
12:20 < searedvandal> if*
12:20 < searedvandal> need to restart it for changes in config to take effect
12:22 < gunix> searedvandal: didnt work: https://bpaste.net/show/281ffa2e417c
12:22 < gunix> in zsh it works perfectly. i get errors and git info on the right side. however i don't like zsh :(
12:23 < ftwhtw> i am confused b/w mint or ubunntu which should i use?
12:24 < gunix> ftwhtw: use the one you like most
12:25 < ftwhtw> gunix
12:25 < ftwhtw> i like both
12:26 < alexandre9099> hi, is there any network fs that downloads files to client on demand (similar to what btfs -k does with torrents) ? the filesystem on the client can be read only
12:30 < searedvandal> gunix, "You have to change the ext.shell.theme property from default to default_left_only." doesn't seem like the shell part you've changed in your config is under ext
12:30 < searedvandal> gunix, see https://github.com/powerline/powerline/issues/186#issuecomment-392374187
12:33 < gunix> searedvandal: did that ... still doesn't show git or error number
12:36 < gunix> searedvandal: worked.
12:36 < searedvandal> good
12:37 < JackPeralta99> Hi
12:48 < gunix> searedvandal: only think i don't like is that neovim is crashing when using powerline. i don't REALLY need neovim, i can do with vim ... but still ...
12:49 < searedvandal> just use nano
13:02 < gunix> searedvandal: do you know how i can overwrite default configs ?
13:02 < gunix> i changed the files with vim... like /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/powerline/config_files/themes/shell/default_leftonly.json and /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/powerline/config_files/themes/vim/default.json
13:03 < gunix> but pacman will upgrade them after the next change, i am sure, and they will revert to default
13:04 < searedvandal> according to the docs "Look at configuration in powerline_root/powerline/config_files. If you want to modify some file you can create ~/.config/powerline directory and put modifications there: all configuration files are merged with each other."
13:04 < searedvandal> https://powerline.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
13:12 < gunix> searedvandal: thank you, i will try it out
13:13 < gunix> searedvandal: but i will wait first for the system to overwrite defaults. that will motivate me :D
13:13 < ellyacht> hey can someone tell me the spotchat server I need to enter in order to get to the Linux mint-help channel
13:13 < searedvandal> :)
13:13 < ellyacht> like irc.spotchat.....
13:13 < ellyacht> not sure how to do that
13:14 < rumpel> ellyacht, irc://irc.spotchat.org/#linuxmint-help
13:15 < ellyacht> rumpel: thank you. although now that I think about it you guys might be able to help. I'm installing Linux mint onto a brand new 2TB and I stuck at making a decision
13:15 < ellyacht> either cancel the installation
13:16 < ellyacht> or continue without a bootloader
13:17 < ellyacht> error message says 'Sorry, an error occurred and it was not possible to install the bootloader at the specific location'
13:21 < alexandre9099> hi, can i rmmod nvidia module without blacklisting it (and rebooting)?
13:24  * jim is finally back...
13:24 < Sveta> hi jim
13:25 < Namarrgon> alexandre9099: as long as you didn't enable nvidia's kms you can unload the modules, yes
13:25 < jim> Sveta, hi... what an adventure... things were kinda not working and I couldn't really figure stuff out... so... I reinstalled
13:25 < Sveta> did that help
13:25 < jim> yep, seems to be much more solid now
13:26 < Sveta> thats debian stable?
13:26 < Armand> Dafternoon, Jim. o>
13:26 < jim> (no more steam, I think that thing broke my install)
13:27 < alexandre9099> Namarrgon, how can i check if nvidia kms is enabled?
13:27 < jim> Sveta, yeah, deb 9
13:27 < Namarrgon> alexandre9099: did you enable it explicitly?
13:27 < alexandre9099> i don't remember doing that (i don't really know what the kms is :D)
13:27 < Namarrgon> drop to a linux text console and rmmod the modules
13:28 < jim> Armand, hi, afternoon and/or $TZ to ya
13:28 < alexandre9099> Namarrgon, i'll try
13:28 < Armand> :)
13:28 < alexandre9099> but doesn't the tty also use the graphics driver?
13:29 < Namarrgon> it doesn't
13:29 < jim> oh yeah, gotta install lmms
13:29 < BluesKaj> Hiyas all
13:30 < jim> heya blues :) recovering from Idon'tknowwhat :)
13:30 < Sveta> jim thats good
13:30 < bipul> I'm looking any tutorial to understand state diagram for regular expression.
13:30 < Sveta> bipul what state diagram have you got?
13:30 < bipul> Do anyone know?
13:31 < alexandre9099> Namarrgon, but if vfio steals the gpu i will stop getting image from the gpu (for the tty), right?
13:31 < bipul> I would like to understand the notation of identifiers in regular expression via transition graph.
13:31 < BluesKaj> hi jim, yeah, too many beers yasterday::-)
13:31 < Namarrgon> alexandre9099: i don't think that you will be able to unbind it completely and pass it through to the vm while linux is still using it
13:32 < jim> BluesKaj, yeah, my connection was reset by beer
13:32 < BluesKaj> hehe
13:33 < BluesKaj> jim:  tylenol tro the rescue here
13:33 < BluesKaj> to
13:33 < jim> Sveta, I did a lot of stuff that made the installation more unstable in one way or anotyer
13:35 < sinatrablue> hmm well i just wiped my usb drive and i cant seem to get DD for windows to do anything
13:35 < alexandre9099> Namarrgon, that's why i sayed that i wanted to unload it :)
13:35 < sinatrablue> inputting the command dd if=archlinux-2017-XX-YY-x86_64.iso od=\\.\x: bs=4M returns the same command back to me with no error?
13:37 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, use Usbwriter that is mentioned at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#In_Windows
13:38 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, welp its writing now
13:38 < Namarrgon> alexandre9099: https://lwn.net/Articles/143397/ prepare for breakage
13:39 < jim> sinatrablue, what is it you're trying to install?
13:40 < alexandre9099> Namarrgon, that seems like something wanting to go wrong :D
13:40 < sinatrablue> jim, attempting to dualboot arch
13:42 < sinatrablue> heyyy the secureboot was the problem
13:43 < sinatrablue> pingfloyd, thankyou
13:43 < searedvandal> you managed to boot into the usb?
13:44 < sinatrablue> Yeah
13:44 < searedvandal> nice
13:47 < john_rambo>  Hi, I want to batch convert some video files by COPYING the video codec and change the audio to MP3...Any ideas ?
13:47 < john_rambo>  I can successfully  convert 1 file with "ffmpeg -i input.mkv -vcodec copy -acodec mp3 output.mkv"
13:47 < john_rambo>  How to batch convert?
13:48 < jim> john_rambo, is input.mkv the literal name of the input video file?
13:50 < searedvandal> something like this maybe? https://paste.linux.community/view/13727e1f
13:51 < john_rambo> jim No ...that was just an example
13:51 < jim> ok, could you show one real name?
13:51 < john_rambo> jim song.mkv
13:52 < jim> is song.mkv in a dir with other videos?
13:52 < john_rambo> jim Yes
13:52 < jim> and the ones you want all end in mkv/
13:52 < jim> ?
13:53 < searedvandal> my paste should probably work then
13:53 < searedvandal> if they all end in mkv
13:54 < john_rambo> Thanks I will try it
13:56 < sinatrablue> looks like im lost again at partitioning with fdisk
13:56 < jim> sinatrablue, what would you like to do/
13:56 < sinatrablue> it says with uefi i need to create an additional partition for the system partition
13:56 < jim> ?
13:57 < sinatrablue> jim, im attempting to install arch off of a usb
13:57 < jim> and you want to make the efi system partition?
13:57 < sinatrablue> jim, it says in the wiki that its required for uefi installation so i guess so
13:58 < jim> let me see...
13:58 < sinatrablue> jim, im not seeing where the labels are in fdisk
13:58 < jim> .lskeys
13:58 < jim> dang
13:58 < jim> I gotta fix something else :) I'll be back :)
13:58 < sinatrablue> jim, okie
14:00 < CrazyTux> hello, I am not able to use KDE Connect Settings on Manjaro xfce.
14:00 < CrazyTux> please help
14:01 < jim> sinatrablue, take me about 10 mins to get this situated
14:01 < sinatrablue> jim, allright ill be here
14:01 < CrazyTux> the error message says "Failed to execute command "kcmshell5 kcm_kdeconnect"
14:01 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, when you create a partition in fdisk you have the option to select the partition's type id. the default is linux filesystem. if you press "l" at that point, it shows you the codes list. for efi you want the "EFI System" type id
14:02 < CrazyTux> Failed to execute child process "kcmshell5" (No such file or directory)
14:03 < jim> damn :) lost my macro database :)
14:04 < sazawal> I am writing a very basic bash script. I have a filepath (with spaces) as a variable fp. So if I use <ls "$fp"> it shows the file list. But I want a list of subfolders and subfiles. If I use <ls "$fp*/">, it says there is no such file or directory. What I am doing wrong?
14:04 < sinatrablue> Hmm i havent seen that option yet jim
14:05 < sinatrablue> ill go through it again
14:05 < jim> sinatrablue, I lost a pretty hefty db I used to use...
14:06 < sinatrablue> jim, i could imagine
14:06 < jim> it'll take me a bit to recover, so instead, I'll just try to do this off the cuff
14:06 < sinatrablue> i think your talking about "partition type"
14:06 < sinatrablue> is that correct?
14:07 < jim> it's either 0xEF or 0xEFEF
14:07 < searedvandal> CrazyTux, I see some have mentioned on the manjaro forums they needed to install kde-cli-tools in order to get it to work.
14:07 < jim> latter is for gpt, former is for msdos partition table
14:08 < searedvandal> in fdisk its called EFI System I think
14:08 < searedvandal> in gdisk its ef00
14:08 < BluesKaj> CrazyTux: try reinstalling kdeconnect , you're missing some depends or libs
14:09 < jim> searedvandal, how large is your drive that you want to put an ESP onto?
14:09 < sinatrablue> Well whenever i attempt to access sda1 which im using as my ESP it doesnt give me an option
14:09 < BluesKaj> CrazyTux:  or what searedvandal said
14:09 < searedvandal> dunno how large sinatrablue's drive is jim
14:09 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, 120gb
14:09 < searedvandal> there you go jim, 120gb is his drive
14:10 < go|dfish> sazawal: because the * is inside "" it is taken literally (and not parsed as a glob character) however you may want to use find instead of ls as it recurses e.g. find "$fp"
14:10 < jim> ok, by default you have an msdos partition table (4 primary partitions, and if you want more, you need to dedicate one of those
14:10 < sinatrablue> jim, i see, but does ESP replace the boot partition?
14:11 < go|dfish> sazawal: but perhaps the syntax you were looking for was: ls "$fp"/*
14:11 < jim> if you -want- to, you can put a GPT partition table onto that drive, but you don't have to do that
14:11 < sinatrablue> I did write a GPT partition table
14:12 < jim> sinatrablue, it contains "firmware" which are the boot loaders
14:12 < jim> oh, you do have a gpt?
14:12 < sinatrablue> jim, ok right now i have sda1 and sda2, sda1 is 24-2048 and sda2 is the rest
14:13 < sinatrablue> Yeah, i already setup a GPT table on the drive
14:13 < sazawal> go|dfish, THanks a lot, it works. But I am surprised because fp already has a trailing slash. This means what I am doing is <ls /bla/blabla//*>
14:13 < sinatrablue> Whats confusing me is it doesnt give me an option for ESP when attempting to partition the 24-2048 partition
14:13 < jim> let me get an idea of what your end goal is for the drive
14:14 < sinatrablue> Its all for testing to see if im an idiot, so its a wild success so far
14:14 < sazawal> go|dfish, And when I do the same thing from terminal, it is <ls /bla/blabla/*/>
14:14 < OnceMe> i want to find all hosts which use my wifi
14:15 < OnceMe> but i get (0 hosts up) with sudo nmap -O 192.168.0.0/24
14:15 < OnceMe> which is incorrect, i have at least 3 devices on my wifi
14:15 < jim> okok, you shouldn't program your brain like that... because the problem is, your brain will do it
14:16 < jim> sinatrablue, just set the partition type code to EFEF
14:17 < sazawal> go|dfish, Another observation, <ls "$fp"*> works as good as your answer.
14:17 < sinatrablue> I cant set any code on the small boot partition, are you saying to add a partition to the main large partition with that code?
14:17 < jim> wait no
14:18 < jim> back in a minute or three
14:18 < sinatrablue> jim okie
14:19 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, you're using fdisk?
14:19 < CrazyTux> BluesKaj, searedvandal, I will install the entire KDE Plasma itself.
14:19 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, Yes
14:19 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, It looks different than before using the bios installer
14:19 < searedvandal> when you are in fdisk type t
14:20 < sinatrablue> Ah there is the hexcode
14:20 < BluesKaj> CrazyTux:  , no need to that , just purge kdeconnect then reinstallit
14:20 < BluesKaj> do
14:21 < CrazyTux> BluesKaj, but, I have almost installed the entire DE.
14:21 < CrazyTux> now
14:21 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, you figured out how to set it to efi ?
14:21 < BluesKaj> no, probly just some libs and and required depndencies
14:22 < BluesKaj> CrazyTux: ^
14:22 < CrazyTux> BluesKaj, ok
14:22 < sinatrablue> searedvandal,  kinda, inputting EF00 changed it to an "unknown" partition
14:22 < searedvandal> press L
14:22 < searedvandal> you should get a list over the codes
14:22 < sinatrablue> Yeah EF is the correct code
14:23 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, How large should the EF partition be?
14:24 < searedvandal> according to the arch wiki "To avoid potential problems with some UEFI implementations, the ESP should be formatted with FAT32 and the size should be at least 512 MiB."
14:24 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/EFI_System_Partition#Create_the_partition
14:24 < sinatrablue> searedvandal,  Yeah im skimming through it im just not sure what to follow
14:25 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, ok i think i have the partitions done
14:26 < searedvandal> :)
14:26 < jim> oh good :) gone for a few and when I'm back you're done :)
14:27 < sinatrablue> jim, well im not sure its all pretty messy in here right now
14:27 < JackPeralta99> Hi
14:27 < jim> yeah, fat32 (aka vfat for linux) will work
14:27 < jim> hi
14:27 < JackPeralta99> What's the support channel for SparkyLinux?
14:28 < JackPeralta99> or can i ask here?
14:28 < jim> dunno, but maybe alis the bot might, try: /msg alis help
14:28 < Armand> /msg alis list *searchterm*
14:28 < Armand> :)
14:28 < JackPeralta99> is SparkyLinux a rolling distro?
14:29 < Armand> JackPeralta99: https://sparkylinux.org/about/
14:29 < Armand> " – stable or rolling release"
14:30 < Armand> Google is your friend. :)
14:30 < sinatrablue> Now i cant mount sda1 using "mount /dev/sda1 /mount
14:30 < CrazyTux> btw, is KDE Plasma the most convenient DE for Windows users?
14:31 < djph> sinatrablue: is something already mounted to "/mount" ?
14:31 < Armand> CrazyTux: Cinnamon, if one is accustomed to WinXP/7 interface
14:31 < sinatrablue> djph, Not that i know of
14:31 < sinatrablue> djph, how do i check?
14:31 < Armand> df -h
14:31 < searedvandal> JackPeralta99, the support channel I can find mentioned on debian wiki/sparkylinux forums isn't active anymore
14:31 < CrazyTux> Armand, what about win 10?
14:31 < Armand> Dunno, I won't use it.
14:32 < JackPeralta99> Thanks searedvandal
14:32 < djph> sinatrablue: 'mount' with no extra parameters (also, don't forget that you have to be root / use sudo to mount a partition)
14:32 < CrazyTux> Armand, ok.
14:32 < sinatrablue> djph, it says wrong fstype,badoption, bad superblock etc
14:32 < Armand> The UI is frightfully bad, so... :shrugs:
14:33 < CrazyTux> how stable is KDE Plasma as compared to other DEs like Mate and Xfce?
14:33 < sinatrablue> Its an empty partition so im not sure what its supposed to mount
14:33 < djph> sinatrablue: filesystem is in a bad state
14:33 < CrazyTux> I think it is the most active project as compared to others.
14:33 < djph> sinatrablue: did you make a filesystem on it
14:33 < sinatrablue> djph, no lol im attempting to install arch
14:34 < djph> sinatrablue: then it's not gonna mount :)
14:34 < sinatrablue> djph, uhg
14:34 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: KDE Plasma crashes all the time, has horrific display distortions, has critical bugs like using 100% CPU when a KDE program is copying file, etc.
14:34 < CrazyTux> hexnewbie, ok
14:34 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, have you formatted the partitions you created in fdisk?
14:34 < JackPeralta99> I'm going head first with SparkyLinux LXQt for a low-powered PC. Warn me if there's any headsup I need to be aware of :)
14:35 < djph> sinatrablue: after you create a partition (e.g. /dev/sdb1), you need to add a filesystem (e.g. ext4) to it.
14:35 < CrazyTux> JackPeralta99, how is Sparky Linux?
14:35 < bipul> Any e-library website where i can find the e books?
14:35 < searedvandal> I call it formatting, but I mean creating a filesystem
14:35 < JackPeralta99> CrazyTux, it behaved well under VirtualBox for couple of days, so now going in for bare metal install .
14:36 < CrazyTux> bipul, ebook3000.com.
14:36 < sinatrablue> djph, so do i mkfs.ext4 to sda1 or to sdb1?
14:36 < CrazyTux> JackPeralta99, ok
14:36 < JackPeralta99> I'm literally about the boot into the metal with the install USB
14:36 < JackPeralta99> different PC, not this one.
14:37 < CrazyTux> hexnewbie, I needlessly am downloading KDE Plasma DE then.
14:38 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Doesn't mean you wouldn't like it. I'm using despite those bugs.
14:38 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, the efi partition should be mkfs.vfat and the larger that will be / you can do mkfs.ext4 - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide#Format_the_partitions
14:38 < CrazyTux> hexnewbie, ok. Let me try it then.
14:39 < JackPeralta99> here we go!
14:40 < sinatrablue> So right now if i fdisk -l i get two partitions, sda1 and sda2
14:40 < searedvandal> yeah
14:40 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: Plus, the majority of crashes happen when you're doing something to the panels (e.g. adding widgets, although starting video games also alters them), or using buggy widgets.
14:41 < sinatrablue> So all i should have to do is make a 512k EF partition and mount that somewhere?
14:41 < CrazyTux> hexnewbie, ok. Btw, which is the best KDE Plasma distro?
14:41 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, didn't you already set the efi code to one of the partitions in fdisk?
14:41 < hexnewbie> CrazyTux: The one you use. Although I'd go for something more current, as they are fixing bugs in newer versions (hopefully).
14:42 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, i did, but it never said anything about mounting so it just sits there?
14:42 < CrazyTux> hexnewbie, I am installing it on Manjaro xfce.
14:42 < searedvandal> well, fdisk doesn't mount.
14:42 < JackPeralta99> hexnewbie, great answer :)
14:43 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, the partition you set the efi code on, should have the fat32 file system. the partition that is gonna be your / you make the filesystem you want, e.g ext4. then you do the mounting as explained in the arch installation guide
14:43 < searedvandal> just follow the steps
14:44 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, so how do i create a new sda3?
14:44 < alexandre9099> hi again, i'm creating a VM with virt manager (connecting remotely to another pc) but virt manager seems to be stuck on creating domain, where can i see where the problem is?
14:44 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, just go into any partition such as sda1 and create partition and label it as primary with the rest of the remaining drive?
14:44 < searedvandal> sinatrablue, what do you want sda3 to be?
14:45 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, currently about 3 gigs worth of space is partitioned between sda1 and sda2, so i want to create the primary filesystem partition
14:46 < searedvandal> alright. then fire up fdisk again, create a new partition with the linux filesystem with the rest of the available space
14:46 < djph> sinatrablue: it would be whatever your new partition was (sorry, got distracted with the kiddo)
14:47 < sinatrablue> djph, man im so confused
14:48 < sinatrablue> but im just going to continue on with the install well see if its garbage or not
14:48 < searedvandal> maybe someone in the archlinux channel can guide you through a stepbystep arch installation
14:48 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, yeah ill take a look
14:48 < djph> sinatrablue: sorry - I thought you were just creating a new data partition; not installing something new
14:49 < searedvandal> I at least can't explain it better than the installation guide already does. first time I installed arch linux I just followed their guide and it worked fine
14:50 < dogbert_2> some ph33r: 05:50:02 up 3 days,  1:13,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
15:03 < sinatrablue> searedvandal, well archlinux seems to be stumped too
15:03 < sinatrablue> turns out the wiki install guide isnt updated for UEFI
15:05 < searedvandal> where are you stuck?
15:06 < morf> you have to read UEFI / EFI SYstem Partition articles if you don't know what to do (there are links in install guide)
15:06 < searedvandal> ^
15:07 < morf> but honestly it's a lot of reading whole install guide with links
15:09 < searedvandal> it shouldn't be too difficult getting it up and running with uefi
15:17 < MikeFromIT> sinatrablue the arch wiki has definitely been updated for UEFI
15:17 < sinatrablue> MikeFromIT, Your right, im just an idiot
15:18 < Enumeration> i am lost anyone here that can help
15:18 < JackPeralta99> ?
15:18 < DLange> Enumeration: [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 .. ]
15:18 < JackPeralta99> Go ahead Enumeration
15:19 < Enumeration> so so for dnsmasq if i have conf-file=file2 and addn-hosts=file2 which uses 192.168.1.3
15:19 < Enumeration> do i set pixelserv to 192.168.1.3?
15:20 < JackPeralta99> Sorry, not hands on experience with dnsmasq
15:21 < DLange> #dnsmasq  might know, but you need patience, small chanel
15:22 < Enumeration> lol thanks didnt  know of dnsmasq channel
15:23 < Enumeration> er didnt think of it
15:25 < JackPeralta99> any out of box working USB WiFi adapter recommendations? I know that TP-Link and team does not work and need added work.
15:27 < DLange> the added work is installing one package (firmware-atheros), quite manageable
15:27 < JackPeralta99> i think when i tried last time (elsewhere) it was a different chipset
15:28 < JackPeralta99> DLange, are you saying all TP-Link USB adapters will work with firmware-atheros installed?
15:28 < DLange> most of them, some have ralink chip sets, guess what you need to install in that case
15:28 < Fieldy> heh
15:29 < JackPeralta99> any other Linux friendly brand you can recommend?
15:29 < DLange> there is no Linux-friendly brand. All of these are supported by the community and the manufacturers don't give a damn.
15:30 < searedvandal> the tp-link ac1200 uses 8812au realtek, which you can find the driver for on github
15:30 < DLange> that's a router, searedvandal, he asked for a USB wifi stick
15:31 < searedvandal> DLange, TP-Link AC1200 Wireless Dual Band USB Adapter (Archer T4U V1)
15:31 < BluesKaj> JackPeralta99:  I've had good luck with TP-Link products , mostly they're plug n play
15:31 < searedvandal> not a router
15:31 < JackPeralta99> Ok
15:31 < JackPeralta99> Zis one -- https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5520_Archer-T4U.html
15:32 < searedvandal> if all else fails thinkpenguin got wireless usb adapters that should work pretty much out of the box iirc
15:32 < DLange> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-9_Archer-C5.html
15:32 < OnceMe> how can I mount like this mount /media/my/dir /var/run/user/1000/gvfs/mtp12812.../ ?
15:32 < DLange> #great naming scheme
15:32 < searedvandal> DLange, I did not know that
15:32 < searedvandal> cool
15:32 < searedvandal> not confusing at all
15:33 < DLange> nope, all very clear :)
15:33 < DLange> OnceMe: usually by clicking on the USB device in Gnome (Nautilus)
15:33 < OnceMe> thats mounted as mtp
15:33 < OnceMe> I want to mount as regular USB flash drive
15:34 < BluesKaj> Be careful, some TP-Link routers are just routers, no modem built in
15:34 < OnceMe> another option is to use network drive
15:34 < DLange> well, tell your device to advertise what it can provide then. Android has a menu of that once plugged into a USB host port.
15:35 < OnceMe> I have Lollipop and USB is disbaled, only MTP is supported
15:36 < OnceMe> cannot upgrade cannot downgrade
15:36 < OnceMe> im stuck with how it is
15:36 < DLange> then use MTP
15:36 < searedvandal> then you're stuck with mtp
15:36 < OnceMe> testdisk cannot detect mtp
15:37 < DLange> nope, if you have broken data, backup what you can, reset the device and restore from backup
15:37 < DLange> no way to fix the internal storage via mtp
15:38 < Enumerat_> hm
15:38 < OnceMe> its possible
15:43 < Enumerat_> ugh i cant figure this out
16:29 < Dr_Coke> triceratux
16:29 < Dr_Coke> Have you seen the HTC u12
16:30 < Dr_Coke> Hi rindolf triceratux jim
16:30 < Dr_Coke> Psi-Jack
16:30 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj
16:30 < Dr_Coke> everyone :)
16:31 < rindolf> dr: hi
16:31 < jim> hi
16:32 < jim> just how often do you become a llama?
16:32 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: now that ive googled it i have. looks like i have to learn to squeeze
16:32 < iodev> jim: never
16:33 < iodev> !next
16:33 < Dr_Coke> triceratux i squeeze my iphone by mistake
16:33 < Dr_Coke> i hope i dont go squeezing that phone by mistake
16:33 < Dr_Coke> if i get one
16:34 < rindolf> jim: http://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#irc_part_message
16:34 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: squeeze?
16:35 < triceratux> http://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/htc-u12-plus
16:35 < dreamcat4> ho there
16:35 < dreamcat4> having a bit of audio trouble on ubuntu 18.04
16:36 < rindolf> dreamcat4: ah
16:36 < dreamcat4> just installed it switching from win10, and the max volume of the audio seems a lot quieter. boosting it results in a lot of distortion
16:37 < Dr_Coke> rindolf check triceratux link
16:37 < pankaj_> I want to install a linux destro on my android device but no root procesa is working. Can anybody please give some advice on this?
16:37 < dreamcat4> not sure what to look for, to fix this
16:38 < Dr_Coke> pankaj_ what kind of phone you got?
16:39 < dreamcat4> oh and another thing: every time the audio gets used, it makes a dulled clicking noise through the speakers, like it's connecting / disconnecting
16:39 < Dr_Coke> dreamcat4 sounds like a problem
16:39 < dreamcat4> like you would hear if you shut down your PC, or rebooted
16:39 < dreamcat4> haha
16:39 < Dr_Coke> have you googled the problem
16:39 < Dr_Coke> i would google it
16:40 < dreamcat4> i'm still not sure entirely what the best search terms are to find similar answers
16:40 < dreamcat4> my.... description might be a bit unconventional
16:40 < dreamcat4> lets see now...
16:40 < searedvandal> the muted dulled clicking noise has probably something to do with power management
16:40 < Dr_Coke> try dull and clicking
16:41 < b> Ask if anyone has similar issues in #ubuntu  - but I tend to install pavucontrol and adjust volumes through PulseAudio volume control.
16:41 < dreamcat4> "ubuntu 18.04 audio either quiet or distorded" --> didnt get me the same kind of a match for this issue
16:41 < searedvandal> I have the same clicking sound on my box which isn't ubuntu
16:41 < Dr_Coke> That's a good point
16:42 < dreamcat4> yeah but this never happened on win10. not even once
16:42 < dreamcat4> same hardware, same audio interface and everything else
16:42 < dreamcat4> and i never remember this kind of issue ever appearing before on previous linux installs (other hardware, 14.04 - 16.04 or earlier)
16:43 < Dr_Coke> dreamcat4 install linux mint
16:43 < Dr_Coke> with cinnamon
16:44 < Dr_Coke> or install windows 7
16:44 < Dr_Coke> lol
16:44 < dreamcat4> maybe i need to install a specific audio driver for my behringher umc404hd
16:45 < dreamcat4> it's like... asus apex z270 motherboard ---> usb 2.0 --> umc404hd interface ---> shielded xlr cables ---> active monitors
16:45 < searedvandal> dreamcat4, with your dulled clicking noise, its only when you start to play audio after not having played audio for a while?
16:45 < dreamcat4> yep
16:46 < searedvandal> dreamcat4, try modifying /etc/pulse/default.pa and the line load-module module-suspend-on-idle, comment it out so it looks like #load-module module-suspend-on-idle . then restart pulseaudio or your computer
16:46 < dreamcat4> for example in kodi, whenever playing a new video. at the beginning of the video
16:47 < dreamcat4> or in settings, 'test speakers'. when i open that window up
16:47 < dreamcat4> thanks
16:47 < dreamcat4>  i'll take a look
16:50 < dreamcat4> searedvandal: then is it systemctl reload pulseaudio?
16:51 < searedvandal> pulseaudio -k if I'm not mistaken
16:52 < dreamcat4> thanks
16:53 < dreamcat4> nope. still does it
16:53 < OnceMe> shouldnt this create 30G file with junk dd if=/dev/urandom of=sample.txt bs=1G count=30 ?
16:53 < dreamcat4> ah the wonders of linux audio
16:56 < dreamcat4> i need to setup my audio properly. and use jack i think.
16:56 < dreamcat4> which is what i was using on win10 previously (jack2 for windows)
16:57 < dreamcat4> well, they have their own seperate channel here so bye bye
16:58 < funksh0n> Hi all.
16:59 < searedvandal> dreamcat4, sudo touch /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf , then sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf , and insert a line with options snd_hda_intel power_save=0 , save and reboot. that's the only other idea I have that could fix the click sound
17:00 < searedvandal> its most likely the powersave feature that does it
17:01 < autopsy> searedvandal, how can you prevent it from trying to go into powersave modes?
17:02 < autopsy> Maybe thats what I need.
17:06 < dreamcat4> thanks searedvandal
17:06 < searedvandal> with the intel audio thing it's the method above if /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save has a different value than 0
17:06 < dreamcat4> ok then! and thank you for your help today
17:07 < searedvandal> at least that solved it on another box of mine. found others had the same experience on the interwebz. so maybe that will work for you too
17:08 < Mibix> do any of you boys do 4k hdr
17:08 < Mibix> from your linux server
17:08 < searedvandal> I only have a 720p tv, so no.
17:23 < pankaj_> I do know basixs of sed and awk. Can somebody please suggest any good resource for learning sed and awk?
17:25 < prussian> honestly? the info page for gnu sed should give you the basics of all the language constructs.
17:26 < searedvandal> http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Awk.html and http://www.panix.com/~elflord/unix/sed.html
17:26 < prussian> for awk, the gnu manpage seems pretty complete enough. both are simple languages
17:26 < prussian> https://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/html_node/index.html https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/index.html are the info pages in html
17:27 < gunix> i am happy i got bash+powerline to properly show error from last command ... however it displays 130 when i CTRL+C the command i am typing ... and i use that a lot to "delete" a big command that i don't want to user ... is there any other way to delete everything written without doing CTRL+C?
17:28 < funksh0n> I've got an external drive, the entire device is encrypted with veracrypt.  If I want to copy it can I just dd it to another device, or will that not work correctly for a veracrypt container?
17:28 < searedvandal> gunix, ctrl + u ?
17:29 < searedvandal> ctrl + w to delete a word. alt + shift + # to comment it out if you wanna keep the history
17:29 < gunix> searedvandal: which god is your father?
17:29 < Armand> None
17:30 < searedvandal> I don't know
17:30 < searedvandal> probably one of the stackexchange users
17:30 < gunix> :))
17:31 < searedvandal> I'm pretty sure I read it on one of the stack sites one time
17:32 < gunix> http://www.keyxl.com/aaaf192/83/Linux-Bash-Shell-keyboard-shortcuts.htm
17:32 < gunix> omg
17:32 < searedvandal> there you go
17:33 < searedvandal> you found the holy grail
17:33 < glix> there was this vim mode in bash as well. I forgot how to activate it..
17:34 < glix> does anyone know?
17:35 < searedvandal> set -o vi
17:35 < searedvandal> in .bashrc
17:35 < searedvandal> I think that's the one you mean?
17:36 < glix> yeah, that's the one
17:38 < gunix> omg bash has undo
17:38 < Pentode> Those that dont remember history are doomed to press up repeatedly.
17:39 < gunix> if you set mode vi, you can delete a line with ESC dd
17:40 < glix> gunix: yeah, it's the best thing ever
17:40 < searedvandal> cool
17:40 < searedvandal> Pentode, but why press up when you got 'history'?
17:41 < Pentode> hey i'm not a philosopher. i just heard someone say it once. ;)
17:41 < searedvandal> aah :)
17:42 < gunix> if you set vi mode, default bash command still work .. .and you also get TWO undo options ... "u" from vim and also "ctrl + _"
17:43 < Pentode> it'd be really cool if searching worked.
17:44 < glix> Pentode, ctrl+r does a reverse search
17:44 < glix> That's one of the most useful for me
17:44 < gunix> i feel like it gets confusing if you set vi mode, cause you have all vi shortcuts AND all bash shortcuts
17:45 < Pentode> never knew that
17:45 < Pentode> spose you could get used to it
17:46 < SlashLife> glix: Aye.
17:47 < glix> Pentode: yeah, bash has a funny way of showing the reverse search string in quotes. zsh does it better by showing it on a separate line
17:47 < glix> SlashLife, Hey!
17:47 < SlashLife> "What was that freakishly long command again? Something with setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... mhh ... Ctrl-R "LD_LI" yup, that was it. <tab>
17:48 < glix> SlashLife, :) Exactly, all the time ! super useful
17:50 < gunix> glix: i don't use zsh because i always run lots of systems and i don't want to hit a bash once and curse :D
17:50 < gunix> glix: also i hate the autocompletion on zsh :D
17:51 < searedvandal> I've never tried any other shells than bash
17:51 < searedvandal> it does what I need it to do
17:52 < gunix> does anybody have a cool zsh config?
17:52 < searedvandal> .bashrc
17:52 < searedvandal> the best zsh config
17:53 < searedvandal> on a serious note, I'm sure you can find tons and tons of cool configs on github
17:53 < glix> gunix: I use bash and zsh all the time, honestly apart from the tab completion there is nothing different. Thought the tab completion is what most people like though
17:54 < glix> gunix: you should check out oh-my-zsh https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh
17:54 < xet> Hello there. I have a dual boot with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 18.04, and am trying to resize my Ubuntu partition. There is a 100 GB unallocated space which I released from Windows partition, but I somehow can't resize the Ubuntu one. I've tried doing it on a LiveCD boot, with Ubuntu's partition unmounted, but no success so far. Any idea of what I have to do?
17:57 < Dan39> glix: i was using zsh for a while and kept getting annoyed that my bashisms weren't working, so switched back :P
17:58 < Dan39> xet: if the windows partition is before the ubuntu one you can't resize in that direction, you will have to copy data, mkfs, and copy it back
17:59 < Dan39> what you could do is shrink the ubuntu partition, create an extra temporary partition big enough to hold all your data, copy it to that, then recreate ubuntu partition at new starting point, copy data, delete extra partition, then grow the ubuntu partition
18:00 < slondr> Although you'll probably have to redo your bootloader after that
18:00 < Dan39> nah, windows 10 should be uefi
18:00 < xet> Dan39, ouch, I think it's better I just reinstall ubuntu lol
18:01 < xet> thanks for the help :)
18:01 < Dan39> it's not too hard, its more complicated than it sounds.
18:01 < Dan39> i mean it sounds more complicated than it is
18:01 < Dan39> lol
18:02 < Dan39> or, it's easier than it sounds :P
18:02 < slondr> Honestly you could make it one bash script. dd can do all the heavy lifting for you.
18:02 < Dan39> uh, no
18:02 < Dan39> will take a lot longer to dd than copy files
18:03 < slondr> Yeah but then you don't have to mkfs which is where your extra time will come from
18:03 < Dan39> and im not sure dd'ing a filesystem to move it is a wise idea, actually i bet it won't work at all
18:03 < Dan39> slondr: what? mkfs takes like 30 seconds
18:04 < Dan39> mkfs.ext4 at least
18:04 < Dan39> xfs is pretty quick too
18:04 < OnceMe> should I encrypt phone before going to factory reset settings? and then when resetted, to overwrite phone with random junk file of 12G?
18:06 < Dan39> slondr: how would you dd move the filesystem when it is overlapping the same area? not sure that makes sense
18:06 < gunix> glix: how do you search history on zsh? i see you can do it with ESC / word
18:06 < gunix> any other way ?
18:06 < slondr> history | grep `thing`
18:09 < searedvandal> ^ use that one a lot
18:10 < Dan39> slondr: uh doesn't `history` by itself not work in zsh?
18:10 < Dan39> thats one thing i always did coming from bash and forgot i had to do like `history 0` to get the whole history
18:11 < glix> gunix: It
18:12 < gunix> glix: It ?
18:12 < glix> gunix: oops, I mean It's the same. ctrl+r
18:12 < gunix> glix: ctrl + r doesn't work, no idea why ... but the vim mode in zsh is very vim like and you can do a lot with it ...
18:12 < slondr> Dan39: `history` works fine in ZSH. It gives you the most recent n commands, where n is configurable in your rc files. The default is ten, I believe.
18:12 < slondr> `history 0` gives you everything.
18:12 < Dan39> slondr: right, thats what it was
18:13 < Dan39> it only give the recent 10
18:13 < slondr> You can configure it to give everything.
18:13 < Dan39> cool
18:13 < glix> gunix: most of the bindings are same as bash for me.
18:13 < Dan39> but yea, i wanted them all, and it took fucking forever to find out `history 0`, i swear it was not obvious you could do that from the documentation
18:14 < Dan39> oh and thats the next thing that annoyed the hell out of me, `help some-build-in` didnt work... why!!? -_-
18:14 < slondr> `help` doesn't make a lot of sense.
18:15 < Dan39> why not? -_-
18:15 < slondr> Usually you find information through `man` or `info`.
18:15 < ReScO> anyone else having issues with hwaccel on 4.16.14-300 with i915?
18:15 < Dan39> well you find man pages sure
18:15 < searedvandal> I'll just stick to bash as I have all these years
18:15 < Dan39> but when i knew it was a built-in...
18:15 < ReScO> chromium doesn't work, spotify doesn't work, until i turn off hardware acceleration
18:16 < Dan39> lot easier to do `help echo` than `man bash` and search through for the echo specific areas
18:16 < searedvandal> that is true
18:17 < glix> Dan39, could you point to resources to read about grub. I want to understand it properly. I had ubuntu installed before and after deleting it's partition and expanding it, I installed manjaro on it and now I have to select EFI Boot file everytime.
18:17 < Dan39> there is a zsh equivalent, i just forget what it is
18:17 < Dan39> glix: that would be efi stuff then, you prolly want to use efibootmgr
18:17 < slondr> GRUB is more or less deprecated at this point in favor of systemd-boot and efibootmgr.
18:17 < Dan39> to point it to grub
18:17 < slondr> It causes problems in places it really shouldn't.
18:17 < Dan39> don't listen to slondr
18:17 < searedvandal> Dan39, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Zsh#Help_command
18:18 < Dan39> grub is great with efi
18:18 < Dan39> many distros still use grub default, so to say 'more or less deprecated' is nonsense
18:19 < searedvandal> yeah, I still use grub, works just fine
18:19 < searedvandal> but I guess I'll have to give in to systemd-boot eventually
18:19 < Dan39> no, you don't searedvandal
18:19 < Dan39> this is FOSS, do what you want
18:20 < searedvandal> fair enough
18:20 < Dan39> else wtf is the point of using linux over windows if you just follow the norm and all?
18:20 < Dan39> at least imo
18:21 < searedvandal> so the point of using linux is doing everything differently than everyone else?
18:21 < searedvandal> :)
18:21 < Dan39> i like to try new things with windows, if it be old or new
18:21 < Dan39> i mean
18:21 < Dan39> linux -_-
18:21 < Dan39> derp
18:21 < Dan39> searedvandal: haha, only part of it id say :P
18:21 < slondr> if you REALLY want to be different, you can run Blackbox as your WM in Windows
18:22 < STKJasper> fg
18:22 < STKJasper> woops wrong terminal
18:22 < searedvandal> I use linux as my main OS simply because I'm more comfortable with it. only use Windows when I have to
18:22 < Dan39> same
18:22 < searedvandal> can't get rid of it completely
18:23 < STKJasper> if it wasnt for gaming i would have gone full linux, but for now i leave linux for my servers, my jumpbox, and my laptops
18:23 < slondr> I tri-boot on my desktop, but I'm in Linux the vast majority of the time.
18:24 < searedvandal> luckily I don't have to worry about games. sudoku on my phone is all I play
18:24 < Dan39> slondr: what issues have you run into with grub and efi?
18:24 < searedvandal> tri-boot? windows, linux and macos? or maybe bsd?
18:24 < gunix> can you configure powerline-shell to show you status if current git project, the same way as grml-zsh-config ?
18:24 < Dan39> searedvandal: i've been gaming a lot on linux
18:24 < slondr> Dan39: Every single time i've tried to use GRUB on my desktop, it has failed to recognize my Windows install and rendered it unbootable.
18:24 < slondr> searedvandal: Yeah Windows 7, Arch Linux and macOS Sierra.
18:25 < Dan39> slondr: hmm, systemd-boot wouldnt help with that, would it? im not very familiar with systemd-boot, ive use it once or twice only
18:25 < Dan39> i thought it didnt chainload windows
18:25 < slondr> I use systemdboot exclusively right now.
18:25 < searedvandal> Dan39, yeah, there's a better selection of games on linux now than it has been in the past.
18:25 < slondr> And I have since 2015.
18:25 < Dan39> slondr: do you use efi to boot straight to the windows bootloader, or does systemd-boot chainload it?
18:25 < slondr> Also I am currently gaming on Linux lol
18:25 < slondr> Dan39: I use EFI to boot straight to Windows.
18:25 < searedvandal> I game on android, guess that's somewhat linux
18:26 < Dan39> and grub prevented that from working?
18:26 < slondr> Yes.
18:26 < Dan39> hmm, wtf...
18:26 < Dan39> i don't doubt it, but i am just curious what grub was doing
18:26 < slondr> The boot device disappeared from my motherboard's boot menu, and GRUB itself did not have an option for it.
18:26 < Dan39> maybe that was the isntaller's fault?
18:26 < slondr> This happened both when I used Ubuntu many many years ago on this machine, and later when I tried to use GRUB with Arch.
18:27 < Dan39> did you ever try adding it back with efibootmgr?
18:27 < slondr> No. I never wanted to bother with it after the second time it fucked up my boot system. I just repaired WBM with an install disc, installed systemd-boot on Arch and called it a day.
18:27 < slondr> Three and a half years later I'm still going strong with that setup.
18:27 < Dan39> systemd-boot isn't bad though
18:27 < gunix> can you configure powerline-shell to show you status if current git project, the same way as grml-zsh-config ?
18:27 < slondr> systemdboot is the main reason I use systemd lmao
18:27 < Dan39> iirc it was actually a separate project before called gummiboot
18:28 < searedvandal> both grub and systemd-boot does the job for me. grub is just old habit
18:29 < prussian> systemd-boot is pretty refreshingly easy to use
18:29 < Dan39> yea it looks like that
18:29 < prussian> i can't stand grub
18:29 < Dan39> ive gotten use to grub haha, in the beginning i said the same thing :p
18:30 < searedvandal> change is scary
18:30 < prussian> the grubby tool that fedora seems to use in some massive 1000+ loc shells cript from hell for installkernel makes it at least somewhat usable
18:30 < Dan39> systemd-boot does look like a nice simplification of things
18:30 < za1b1tsu> Hello, just tried Kubuntu and I'm impressed with KDE, anyone running KDE with a diff/tilling wm?
18:30 < prussian> but ya. I just turned /boot into the ESP and installed systemd-boot to it
18:31 < searedvandal> every time I've tried KDE I give up after a couple of days
18:31 < prussian> their boot shim is convenient as well if you secureboot sign your own EFI binaries as well
18:31 < slondr> za1b1tsu: What about KDE do you like, and what about KDE makes you think it would benefit from a tiling WM?
18:34 < Dan39> *crickets*
18:35 < Dan39> jk, i like KDE :P
18:35  * Armand farts in Dan39's general direction
18:35 < Dan39> awww cmon
18:35  * Dan39 runs away
18:36 < searedvandal> I've never been a KDE fan
18:37 < glix> me neither
18:37 < NetTerminalGene> it uses less resource than gnome
18:37 < searedvandal> but more than xfce
18:37 < slondr> KDE is one of the better DEs these days
18:37 < darkis8> << ratpoison :-)
18:38 < slondr> It's definitely better than GNOME, but it's more intensive than XFCE or LXQT. And of course it doesn't hold a candle to StumpWM, i3 or Awesome.
18:38 < NetTerminalGene> i think it is best desktop
18:38 < Dan39> i think NetTerminalGene is troll
18:38 < searedvandal> I prefer xfce, but these days I'm trying out mate
18:38 < Dan39> searedvandal: try cinnamon
18:38 < NetTerminalGene> :|
18:38 < slondr> searedvandal try StumpWM
18:39 < NetTerminalGene> kde plasma is great
18:39 < searedvandal> Dan39, have tried it. its alright
18:39 < glix> In terms of resource consumption its generally KDE>Gnome>xfxe
18:39 < searedvandal> slondr, never heard of. I have to do some reading
18:39 < NetTerminalGene> but i encountered severe bugs, so i switched to gnome
18:39 < gunix> glix: there is something annoying at zsh
18:39 < Dan39> NetTerminalGene: hmm, what bugs?
18:39 < slondr> searedvandal StumpWM is nextgen ratpoison. You can install it from a Common Lisp REPL (as well as from your distro's package system, probably)
18:39 < gunix> glix: when i type "pacman -S g" and hit tab, i get the first option from the menu selected by default. i don't like that. can I stop it somehow? the same happens for man
18:39 < slondr> I personally use i3 but I have several friends who swear by stump
18:40 < searedvandal> written entirely in common lisp. yay
18:40 < slondr> yup
18:40 < NetTerminalGene> Dan39, it's archivers extracted archive incomplete
18:40 < Dan39> NetTerminalGene: yes, the archive manager blows
18:40 < Dan39> i stopped using it
18:40 < glix> gunix, well that's how it is, How do you want it otherwise?
18:41 < Dan39> well, i never really started using it, but i tried to use it a couple times and it would show nothing at all in a tar file with all paths that start with a .
18:41 < Dan39> and yes zip files extracted oddly
18:41 < slondr> wait you switched entire DEs just because one program that is not the DE didn't work properly?
18:41 < Dan39> not sure how they f'ed that up
18:41 < slondr> dafuq
18:41 < gunix> glix: when i type "pow" i want a list of everything that starts with "pow", but i don't want it to force the first item of the menu, cause then i have to delete everything it writes after "pow" and write it myself
18:41 < glix> slondr, hearing about stump for the first time, whats so special about it?
18:42 < Dan39> but yea, you can use other archive managers in cinnamon besides their own... -_-
18:42 < searedvandal> slondr, doesn't sound too bad. it looks a bit like i3, dwm etc?
18:42 < Dan39> i just do it all in shell
18:42 < NetTerminalGene> slondr, i couldn't trust it after that problem
18:42 < slondr> searedvandal, glix: It's extremely fast (probably one of the fastest WMs ever made), and designed to be used exclusively with the mouse alongside Emacs so there's a ton of shortcuts that don't conflict with Emacs
18:43 < gunix> glix: i found it, it has force-list: https://bpaste.net/show/d51a852aa69a
18:43 < gunix> i need to remove that
18:43 < glix> gunix, I see. Well I have never tried changing that part of zsh
18:43 < slondr> It also can be updated and configured without needing to reload anything because it's written in Lispo
18:43 < searedvandal> slondr, cool. is it faster than dwm?
18:43 < slondr> So while even i3 needs to reload its config file every time you change something, Stump can just be changed on the fly.
18:43 < slondr> and searedvandal almost certainly
18:43 < searedvandal> interesting
18:44 < searedvandal> I may have to try it out on one of my spare machines
18:44 < searedvandal> got some crappy old hardware that could use something fast
18:46 < glix> So, does anyone here watch Luke smith?
18:47 < Dan39> searedvandal: try xmonad while you're at it. that's my favorite WM. i've mostly been using cinnamon just because of Steam. steam and games can be annoying in a tiling wm :P
18:48 < Dan39> xmonad really shines when you have multiple monitors due to it's different style of managing workspaces between monitors
18:48 < slondr> Dan39: I'm currently gaming in i3 with half a dozen other windows open
18:48 < slondr> i3 also handles multi monitor really well (Currently have 2, used to have 3)
18:48 < searedvandal> favorite of those type of wm's so far was dwm
18:48 < Dan39> slondr: i didn't say it isn't possible
18:48 < slondr> Oh I know I'm just throwing more options out there
18:48 < Dan39> slondr: it handles multimonitor different than i3
18:49 < Dan39> slondr: i think its partly been laziness on my part not configuring i3 or whatever for steam and games, i know people do it just fine haha
18:49 < glix> I kinda have become too used to i3, its nice and comfy for me
18:49 < leachim6> hey linux folk
18:49 < slondr> I never had any problems with it at all. Just Mod+F when you're playing a game and it'll make it fullscreen.
18:49 < jim> hi
18:49 < leachim6> i3 is nice
18:50 < searedvandal> I'm not a big keyboard shortcut user tbh. I'm more of a mouse warrior
18:50 < Dan39> but seriously, xmonad's style of multi-monitor, once you get use to it, there is no going back, and it is unlike almost every other WM, the only other ones that do it the same are spectrwm and wingo
18:50 < glix> https://www.youtube.com/c/lukesmithxyz ... This is the guy I was talking about .. Anyone here watch him?
18:50 < Dan39> loved using xmonad for a couple years, didnt need any status bar or anything
18:51 < glix> I think statusbars are a fad, I don't even look at them most of the time XD
18:51 < gunix> glix: yea, removing force-list solved that
18:51 < leachim6> Dan39: I know a guy like that for ratpoison, he won't use anytrhing else
18:51 < leachim6> nice thing about OSS is everyone can find their niche
18:51 < slondr> Stump has nothing on screen when you boot it up except a message on your background that says 'press h for help
18:52 < Dan39> glix: thats what i said. when i first started using xmonad it came with a decent default status bar, xmobar, but after a few months i realized i never looked at it, i had my apps setup on specific workspaces and memorized that
18:52 < glix> gunix: nice
18:52 < Dan39> slondr: xmonad has nothing at all haha, just black
18:53 < Dan39> but it's in haskell and configured with haskell
18:53 < autopsy> SLiM was good.
18:54 < Dan39> spectrwm is a decent WM based a lot on xmonad, but written in C. unfortunately it doesn't have much of a following and doesn't get much development. i really wish it did...
18:54 < autopsy> Dan39 what is good about it?
18:55 < glix> Dan39, do you have a preference for a terminal?
18:55 < autopsy> Uh oh. Terminal Preference. I'm out.
18:55 < Dan39> glix: not too much, atm using terminator. used urxvt for a long time
18:55 < glix> autopsy, haha what do you use?
18:55 < Dan39> i dont use a terminal's feature too much tbh, im too lazy to set everything up to be all cool
18:55 < slondr> rxvt-unicode or st are the only correct terminal emulators
18:56 < slondr> everything else is B L O A T
18:56 < Dan39> i just care that things work properly in the terminal
18:56 < autopsy> glix, I use gnome-terminal
18:56 < Dan39> gnome-terminal is fine
18:56 < slondr> bloat
18:56 < leachim6> pretty much everyone has their own favorite terminal
18:57 < leachim6> I use terminator, which many people consider hella bloated
18:57 < leachim6> on lightweight type distros I use sakura or mrxvt
18:57 < Dan39> it replaces smilies with little graphical ones, it's kinda cool i guess
18:57 < leachim6> tilix is nice too
18:57 < NGGJamie> leachim6, I use Terminator as well, it's my favorite general term
18:57 < glix> hahaha st is a pain to configure at the start but I think it's the best one I have tried so far.
18:57 < leachim6> technically splitting should be done at the shell level with tmux or screen I guess...
18:57 < Dan39> what a horrible name for a terminal
18:57 < leachim6> but it's really convenient for my work
18:57 < Dan39> try searching for that -_-
18:57 < leachim6> what Tilix ?
18:57 < Dan39> st
18:57 < leachim6> just go to suckless.org
18:58 < leachim6> it's all there
18:58 < slondr> leachim6: tmux and screen break things they shouldn't break
18:58 < leachim6> explain plz
18:58  * leachim6 is using tmux currently
18:58 < slondr> When I play nethack in tmux it fucks up the graphics
18:58 < Enumeration> can anyone here help me with dnsmasq
18:58 < Dan39> yea i installed terminator when someone else showed me it's cool easy splitting features
18:59 < Dan39> but i NEVER use the splitting :\
18:59 < Enumeration> i am going nuts cuz i am confused
18:59 < autopsy> Dan39 gnome-terminal has tabbing.
18:59 < Psi-Jack> slondr: Kindly mind the language, please.
18:59 < slondr> I use i3, so splitting is done by using i3
18:59 < glix> I too never used splits, I use i3 it's good enough
18:59 < Dan39> autopsy: and i f'in HATE gnome-terminal's default keyboard shortcuts, always have to disable them all first thing
18:59 < lacrymology> I'm trying to run a game, and I get a bunch of what seems like link errors and then a lot of audio errors, until it gets blocked seemingly by the audio library https://dpaste.de/qFP9
18:59 < Dan39> it takes over shortcuts used by so many cli programs, wtf
18:59 < lacrymology> Those "unable to preload" libraries are there in the filesystem, my guess is that maybe it's not looking in the right directory
18:59 < leachim6> @slondr sounds like your TERM is set incorrectly
18:59 < lacrymology> anyone can help me debug this?
19:00 < leachim6> I can play nethack no problem in tmux
19:00 < lacrymology> is there anywhere I can put those dynamic libraries to be sure they're found?
19:00 < slondr> leachim6: Probably. But I didn't want to play with it because there's no reason I should have to.
19:00 < slondr> It works just fine without tmux.
19:00 < Dan39> lacrymology: i play The Long Dark, i had that issue, i forget what i did though haha
19:01 < Dan39> open the start.sh script and look, it is very simple
19:01 < Dan39> actually, i dont tink i had the AK Error ever show up
19:01 < leachim6> ldconfig -v | grep -v ^$'\t'
19:01 < searedvandal> whatever terminal comes with the DE is fine with me. as long as I can punch in some commands I'm happy
19:01 < leachim6> that was for lacrymology
19:02 < Dan39> ive been playing TLD through Steam though
19:02 < Enumeration> well
19:02 < Enumeration> thanks i guess
19:02 < slondr> One of the reasons I prefer rxvt over st is that I can keep my .Xresources synced between computers and it'll always look how I want it.
19:02 < Dan39> oh sorry Enumeration
19:02 < Psi-Jack> heh.
19:02 < slondr> And I'd have to do that anyway (because of Nethack), so I might as well use a terminal that supports it.
19:02 < Dan39> Enumeration: whats wrong with dnsmasq? ive never had an issue
19:03 < leachim6> dnsmasq is nice, only reason I run bind was because I wanted to learn bind
19:03 < Enumeration> nothing is i dont get one concept
19:03 < Psi-Jack> Suckless Software, the only brand you need to patch yourself to make it suck LESS.
19:03 < leachim6> Enumeration: which concept?
19:03 < Enumeration> if i am using the two conf-file and addn-hosts from https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists and have it proeprly set in dmsasq do i enable local dns and then set the ip address to match pixelserv ip based on the ip used in those two files
19:03 < Dan39> though tbh you shouldn't have expected us to reply when you didnt tell us your issue, you just asked if any of us use it
19:03 < Enumeration> o i see
19:04 < Psi-Jack> Enumeration: Please spell out "oh".
19:04 < leachim6> 2much2type tho
19:04 < Enumeration> sorry. oh i see
19:04 < leachim6>  /s
19:04 < slondr> s/o/oh/g
19:04 < Enumeration> ^
19:04 < leachim6> lol, that regex is gonna give you a bad time
19:04 < Dan39> Enumeration: im not sure, i dont quite follow what you want to do, and don't have that much experience with dnsmasq.
19:05 < autopsy> sed -e 's|o|oh|g' $INPUT
19:05 < slondr> this is why I prefer sbcl to sed :^)
19:05 < Enumeration> sighh
19:05 < Dan39> never used the blocklists
19:06 < leachim6> s/ o /oh/g
19:06 < Dan39> Enumeration: did you follow the How to install section ont hat github?
19:06 < leachim6> ftfy
19:06 < Enumeration> can someone who does help
19:06 < demonxian3> opps
19:06 < autopsy> st terminal doesn't have a scrollbar.
19:06 < leachim6> there's only one step, what isn't working?
19:06 < Dan39> then set your resolv.conf nameserver to localhost? what else is there to do?
19:06 < Enumeration> yea i already know that but i am doing something else
19:06 < leachim6> autopsy: you gotta patch it :)
19:06 < Enumeration> that is assuming you use pihole
19:06 < autopsy> Patch it? For a scrollbar woops.
19:07 < Enumeration> i am ussing ddwrt directly and have dnsmasq configured
19:07 < Dan39> though it should automatically do that already iirc
19:07 < leachim6> there's 2 sets of instructions, one for pihole, one without, first set is without
19:07 < autopsy> ddwrt is cool.
19:07 < leachim6> just add 2 lines to the config, restart dnsmasq, donezo
19:07 < lacrymology> Dan39: I fixed an error quoting around a cd $dir because the spaces gave trouble, is that what you're referring to?
19:07 < glix> autopsy, most of the things you have to patch yourself and recompile. That's the whole philosophy behind suckless
19:07 < leachim6> presumably you're setting your DNS to the router running DDWRT with DHCP
19:07 < Psi-Jack> Meh, Ubiquity's EdgeRouter's are better than ddwrt.
19:07 < Dan39> that extra info would have helped to start off :P
19:07 < leachim6> Psi-Jack: I have an edgerouter, can confirm
19:07 < Enumeration> right but do i keep local dns enabled
19:07 < leachim6> Enumeration: what do you mean by this.
19:07 < Enumeration> and secondly i am not using the 0.0.0.0
19:07 < Psi-Jack> Heck, EdgeRouter X, $50, way better than any ddwrt.
19:08 < Enumeration> instead i am using 192.168.1.3
19:08 < Dan39> lacrymology: no. i just remember having to load a different bin and maybe set some environment variable for the libraries to load properly
19:08 < leachim6> is that the IP of your router?
19:08 < lacrymology> leachim6: https://dpaste.de/ciKq
19:08 < lacrymology> don't know what I'm looking for, tho
19:08 < Enumeration> no its the ip address of my pixelserv server
19:08 < Dan39> but like i said, i have it installed by Steam, im guessing it is a bit different
19:08 < leachim6> yeah so any of those paths aree searched for shared libraries, you can throw your .so into any of them
19:08 < Psi-Jack> lacrymology: Please spell out "though".
19:08 < leachim6> you can also typically configure the paths in /etc/ld.so.conf
19:08 < djph> a bind address of '0.0.0.0' just means "listen on all interfaces / IP addresses this machine has"
19:09 < Dan39> lacrymology: i don't care tho :P
19:09 < autopsy> lacrymology, sudo ldconfig -v ..
19:09 < Psi-Jack> Dan39: Same to you, on "though"
19:09 < searedvandal> why tho
19:09 < autopsy> Tho ones gotta give brah.
19:09 < Dan39> on tho what?
19:09 < Psi-Jack> Because it's actually channel policy, and because it helps non-native English folk understand you better.
19:09 < autopsy> Tho shalt not wayt.
19:09  * leachim6 popcorn.gif
19:09 < djph> Enumeration: are you 100% certain that the server has the IP address you've told the program to bind to?
19:09 < leachim6> %
19:09 < leachim6> ^
19:09 < leachim6> I can type, I promise....
19:09 < lacrymology> I'm non-native but okay
19:09 < Enumeration> yes i set up a startup script for it
19:09 < slondr> s/tho/Þo/g
19:10 < djph> Enumeration: startup scri... wha?
19:10 < autopsy> slondr what is that on Earth?
19:10 < autopsy> He's stoned again.
19:10 < Dan39> oh boy look what i started... lmao i'm horrible. sorry. im leaving now to get lunch before i get kickbanned :P
19:10 < autopsy> Dan39 get me sum fryed chickenz.
19:11 < djph> Enumeration: a script for ... what?
19:11 < slondr>  Dan39 Please use "Laughing My AÞÞ Off" instead of "lmao"
19:11 < Enumeration> to create a br0 that binds to 192.168.1.3
19:11 < Psi-Jack> slondr: You can stop now. :p
19:11 < slondr> :Þ
19:11 < autopsy> slondr laughing my app off?
19:11 < Enumeration> which is the pixelserv
19:11 < djph> Enumeration: ... what the .. and a bridge now too?
19:11 < Enumeration> maybe i over complicated all this
19:11 < autopsy> djph I dunno what is going on.
19:12 < djph> Enumeration: this "pixelserv" on a VM or something?
19:12 < Enumeration> no entware
19:12 < autopsy> What is a pixelserv?
19:12 < djph> "entware"?
19:12 < autopsy> What is an entware too?
19:12 < Enumeration> ahh
19:12 < Enumeration> a package manager
19:12 < Enumeration> for ddwrt
19:12 < Enumeration> or any wrt
19:12 < Enumeration> to install ipk
19:12 < mawk> laughing my aß off
19:12 < autopsy> ddwrt has a package manager for lords sake.
19:13 < slondr> there we go
19:13 < Psi-Jack> mawk: You forgot the c. :p
19:13 < Psi-Jack> abc.
19:13 < mawk> :(
19:13 < mawk> it's a eszett
19:13 < mawk> beautiful germanic letter
19:13 < djph> Enumeration: I think you have to start from the beginning and explain the exact setup here ...
19:13 < autopsy> 123 and a little bit of abc.
19:13 < slondr> S Sharp is my favorite musical note
19:14 < autopsy> Why would a program recieve SIGABRT and die?
19:14 < Enumeration> okay so when i boot the router ifconfig br0:pixelserv 192.168.1.3 up
19:14 < Enumeration> logger -t $(basename $0) "br0:pixelserv 192.168.1.3 created."
19:14 < mawk> autopsy: double free, stuff like that
19:14 < djph> autopsy: because 'sig abort'?
19:14 < Drakonan> centos 7 or ubuntu 18.04 ?
19:14 < mawk> unrecoverable runtime errors in the libc
19:14 < mawk> or other libs
19:14 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: Never Ubuntu, so, CentOS.
19:14 < jim> c# is mine... and Db is my second fav
19:14 < alexandre9099> hi, how can i grow qcow2 images?
19:14 < autopsy> mawk Ok. djph Yeah SIG ABORT
19:14 < Drakonan> Psi-Jack, why no ubuntu?
19:15 < Enumeration> then the github page i linked the two txt. addn conf- i replaced teh 0.0.0.0 with the 192.168.1.3
19:15 < searedvandal> fedora server
19:15 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: Ubuntu, aka Canonical, is an evil company that has slapped the entire Linux community in the face countless times and needs to be shunned completely off the planet.
19:15 < autopsy> Ubuntu is outie.
19:15 < Drakonan> In what way?
19:15 < Enumeration> the best linux distro is high sierra thats what i use
19:15 < autopsy> High Sierra never heard of it.
19:16 < Drakonan> mac? :)
19:16 < slondr> nah El Capitan is better
19:16 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: Upstart, Unity, Mir.
19:16 < slondr> because it can run on older hardware
19:16 < Drakonan> they aren't using upstart anymore are they?
19:16 < Drakonan> they got rid of unity...
19:16 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: They made it.
19:16 < Drakonan> and haven't heard or mir
19:16 < slondr> Upstart died years ago. Mir died about a year before Unity did.
19:16 < searedvandal> WSL, best ever
19:17 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: For ~2 years, Canonical had said they would help Wayland with resources, developer resources. Then out of the blue ~2 years later, they denounced Wayland and produced Mir instead.
19:17 < autopsy> searedvandal, nah come on man.
19:17 < Drakonan> yeah i tried that first but i need to do something on my sd card and it doesnt see it
19:17 < Enumeration> ubuntu < fedora < centos <gentoo < arch < osx
19:17 < Armand> Enumeration: Never heard of it
19:17 < Psi-Jack> slondr: Not /years/ ago. Only this year. LOL
19:17 < slondr> That being said protip X11 is the GOAT display sever and there currently isn't anything that has the featureset that it does
19:17 < searedvandal> autopsy, sorry, I know that joke is probably going too far.
19:17 < lacrymology> leachim6: thanks. Adding them to /usr/lib didn't change anything, the messages are exactly the same, too
19:17 < Drakonan> osx isnt even technically linux tho so doesnt count :)
19:17 < Enumeration> why not lol
19:17 < Drakonan> actually what im wanting to do is ulimately get bsd on this sbc anyway but
19:17 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: Please spell out "though"
19:17 < slondr> "technically"? macOS isn't REMOTELY linux!
19:17 < Drakonan> apparently i need linux to write the image
19:17 < slondr> lmao
19:18 < autopsy> lacrymology, you have to run ldconfig as root.
19:18 < Enumeration> its like the same shit
19:18 < slondr> It is UNIX, though.
19:18 < Armand> No
19:18 < autopsy> lacrymology, after adding them to ld.so.conf
19:18 < Enumeration> you're being nit picky
19:18 < Enumeration> essentially same shit
19:18 < Drakonan> Psi-Jack, does it really matter that much if i know how it's spelled? :)
19:18 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, isn't tho an accepted spelling of though?
19:18 < Drakonan> er spelt* :)
19:18 < Armand> No.. it's just not, Enumeration
19:18 < Psi-Jack> Drakonan: Actually, yes. It's a matter of channel policy so that non-native English folk can better understand
19:18 < Enumeration> why is it not?
19:18 < Drakonan> i dont think it is but i can make an alias for it in here i bet
19:18 < autopsy> Tho blo shcmoe yo.
19:19 < slondr> Linux is a specific piece of software that is not present on Macs. UNIX is a trademark applied to entire operating systems that go through rigorous certification processes.
19:19 < autopsy> Tic Tac Toe.
19:19 < slondr> They aren't comparable terms.
19:19 < Armand> Enumeration: Are diesel and gasoline engines the same ?
19:19 < jim> Psi-Jack, here, I'll figure this out
19:19 < Drakonan> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/tho?s=t
19:19 < Psi-Jack> Awesome. :D
19:19 < Armand> They perform the same function, but in different ways.
19:19 < Drakonan> well, i will be
19:19 < Psi-Jack> jim: I'll leave it to you then. :)
19:19 < autopsy> Different ways exactly. Nothing is Linux except Android.
19:19 < Enumeration> if i said windows and linux were teh same fine
19:19 < Enumeration> but i did not
19:19 < m712> hi, i can't find any way to create an HTML email on thunderbird, where was the option again?
19:20 < Armand> Enumeration: Same difference
19:20 < m712> i can only create plaintext emails
19:20 < autopsy> m712 oh gawd.
19:20 < Drakonan> though
19:20 < Enumeration> meh ill just go back to my windows 10 running bash
19:20 < Drakonan> cool it works now you will never know my secret :p
19:20 < autopsy> Though. Thats bettah.
19:20 < Armand> Eeewww
19:20 < ciscon> bsd is an implementation of unix, osx is based on darwin which is based on bsd- though at this point not much is left, it's completely bastardized.  linux was created as a completely separate entity, to be unix-like (like minix).
19:20 < lacrymology> autopsy: i
19:20 < Armand> Enumeration: Disgusting
19:20 < Dan39> wow, you guys are still going on about that?
19:20 < Armand> Heresy!
19:20 < Psi-Jack> Enumeration: Good luck. Don't let the door kick your arse on the way back to Windows. :)
19:20 < lacrymology> autopsy: I'll try that, but I fear it's not that
19:20 < autopsy> lacrymology, ok.
19:21  * Armand kicks Psi-Jack in the butt!
19:21 < slondr> ciscon: all the BSD syscalls are still present in Darwin, so all reasonable purposes macos is still a bsd
19:21 < Armand> <3
19:21 < Enumeration> only thing linux is good for is watching porn
19:21 < Armand> Troll confirmed
19:21 < Enumeration> windows is the best
19:21 < slondr> ^
19:21 < jim> ok, I see...
19:21 < Armand> Evening, Jim.
19:21 < autopsy> Oh noes.
19:21 < autopsy> Hi jim.
19:21 < slondr> only thing linux is good for is providing a way for systemd to run programs
19:21 < Enumeration> i been getting trolled here figured i'd join
19:21 < Enumeration> not if u use linux-ck
19:21 < Armand> Trolling since you got here ?
19:21 < jim> heya Armand, autopsy :)
19:21 < autopsy> systemd runs the smack out of everything.
19:21 < Enumeration> that dont like systemd
19:22 < autopsy> Smack be comin up out the /dev/rtc
19:22 < ciscon> you could say it's bsd compatible(ish, somethings don't work the same anymore), but the kernel has been ripped apart and put back together again by apple so many times it's not really fair to call them that even- and the bsd subsystems that we are all used to are either non-existent or broken, it's pretty much an unusable version of bsd
19:22 < autopsy> MacOSX isn't Linux.
19:23 < slondr> still a UNIX system, which means that all SUS systemcalls still work
19:23 < Psi-Jack> It's macOS now, not MacOSX.
19:23 < autopsy> Android has a kernel 3.10.12 in it.
19:23 < slondr> most BSD systemcalls are just SUS syscalls with extended syntax, so the point stands
19:23 < autopsy> What is SUS?
19:23 < Drakonan> slondr, just reading everything... well yeah but technically every time they've been saying linux they haven't been meaning linux in the first place so...
19:23 < slondr> Single Unix Specification
19:23 < Enumeration> bruh u just mad your linux cant read the best filesystem applefs
19:23 < Enumeration> fk zfs/btrfs
19:23 < slondr> Enumeration: lmao the best fs is clearly FAT12
19:23 < autopsy> Just kidding. Ok.
19:24 < autopsy> Single Unkix Specification. Ok.
19:24 < Enumeration> no its reiserfs
19:24 < autopsy> The best FS is Reiser4.
19:24 < autopsy> Mad murderah.
19:24 < ciscon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification
19:24 < m712> autopsy: jesus christ, found it. account settings -> composition and addressing, "create messages in HTML format". just an option tucked away in a random settings screen, can't set it on a per-message basis
19:25 < jim> Enumeration, Please spell out u as you... it would help folks who are here and are new english speakers, some don't hear u as a rhyme for you
19:25 < Enumeration> all i know is my pope richard stallman is my jesus
19:25 < Drakonan> autopsy, yeah but he killed his wife so he's prob not going to be updating it too much more
19:25 < slondr> fun fact the SUS is like 4000 pages and I read 3 of them once and wanted to die
19:25 < ciscon> as you can see, darwin isn't "compatible" without some tweaking, and like i said- things don't quite work the way you'd expect them to all the time
19:25 < Drakonan> anymore
19:25 < slondr> Drakonan: WHAT
19:25 < m712> Enumeration: you can't say that and then go "i'll just use windows and bash"
19:25 < Drakonan> do what part
19:25 < slondr> who killed his wife?
19:25 < leachim6> I don't even know who's trolling anymore tbh
19:25 < Enumeration> anyone want to join me richard stallman's church
19:25 < Drakonan> here is the champions for your fs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser
19:25 < Drakonan> champion*
19:25 < slondr> Enumeration: currently breathing through emacs
19:25 < Drakonan> thats been years ago
19:25 < jim> yeps gonna pop a jesus?!
19:25 < Enumeration> that is why i dont use resierfs
19:26 < Enumeration> he is a murderer
19:26 < ciscon> there are plenty of other reasons not to :P
19:26 < Enumeration> like what btrfs?
19:26 < Enumeration> nty
19:27 < Enumeration> i'll stay with my apfs
19:27 < slondr> that wikipedia article implies that in addition to being a convicted murderer, he's also a convicted programmer
19:27 < Psi-Jack> Enumeration: You should really stop it now.
19:27 < ciscon> convicted!
19:27 < slondr> also lmao EXT4 is fine
19:27 < Enumeration> fine back to my temple os
19:27 < Pentode> what is all of this noise
19:27 < jim> Psi-Jack, I got this
19:27 < leachim6> je
19:27  * Pentode is getting a headache
19:27 < ciscon> if you need advanced features there are plenty of well maintained choices- otherwise yeah, ext4 is just fine
19:28 < leachim6> he's gonna be really disappointed when I tell him that HFS+ isn't applefs
19:28 < ciscon> heh
19:28 < slondr> HFS+ is kinda crappy, but APFS is pretty good
19:28 < Enumeration> anyone got good apps for templeos
19:28 < slondr> nope
19:28 < leachim6> Enumeration: I can't tell if you're the worst troll or the best
19:28 < Enumeration> i try
19:28 < searedvandal> ext4 is pretty good
19:29 < leachim6> from the wikipedia article:
19:29 < leachim6> "Apple File System (APFS) is a proprietary file system for macOS"
19:29 < slondr> "Reiser acted as his own attorney during the trial and tried to argue that he killed his wife to protect their children"
19:29 < leachim6> no thank you
19:29 < slondr> literally wtf
19:29 < jim> Enumeration, the nty thing is an example of the kind of abbreviations that we want to slow down or stop, mostly because we want to make sure new english speakers understand
19:29 < Enumeration> maybe reiser and temple os should partner to make the best os with the best filesystem
19:30 < slondr> Nah even a convicted murderer couldn't handle the level of moral freedom that is TempleOS
19:30 < Drakonan> slondr yeah and he had a plan on how to not get caught... he was a cisco guy too and made a fake phone call... he got caught because he scoped out the burial place on his computer in google maps and they were able to find that
19:30 < leachim6> I legit feel bad for the templeos guy
19:30 < Drakonan> i saw it on a tv show and was like no way small world
19:30 < leachim6> he was obviously (to me) a savant type of guy who was way off his meds
19:30 < Enumeration> and like stallman could be the president though i dont think he ever uses the internet
19:30 < slondr> templeos.org is legitimate canon
19:30 < slondr> stallman uses the internet all the time
19:30 < slondr> he's very active on the emacs mailing lists
19:30 < jim> Enumeration, he came to irc once
19:31 < slondr> I emailed him once about something on his website and he responded in a day or so
19:31 < Enumeration> he would never go to irc
19:31 < leachim6> stallman is ai'ght he's just a bit pedantic for me
19:31 < Drakonan> well his wife was probably one of those crazies too so make sure you pick a good one obviously she didn't deserve death (and prob not worth the jail time to him either))
19:31 < Enumeration> like i think he accesses teh internet via some mail client
19:31 < Enumeration> which then bounces to like tor
19:31 < slondr> ok legit though if you're ever stoned templeos.org is the funniest thing in the world to read through
19:31 < leachim6> ESR seems like a cool guy
19:31 < jim> it was either to freenode or to open projects net
19:31 < ciscon> almost as good as timecube
19:32 < slondr> yeah but timecube got shut down unfortunately
19:32 < Enumeration> do you think temple os will go mainstream?
19:32 < slondr> lol
19:32 < ciscon> yeah, makes me sad- now i have to use archive.org to laugh my ass off
19:32 < Enumeration> might be a breakthrough for 4k gaming
19:32 < slondr> "car seats banned"
19:33 < ciscon> http://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com:80/
19:33 < slondr> "Bill Gates wanted only electric money in Africa.  God said He had angels in the shadows and it was a King David Census type thing."
19:34 < Drakonan> that might be a good thing for africa's people
19:34 < leachim6> afaik it was Herod that ordered the only census recorded in the bible....
19:34 < Drakonan> good experiemnt anyway
19:34 < leachim6> I'm just saying....
19:34 < Drakonan> experiment
19:34 < searedvandal> "Belly-Button Is the Signature Of  Your Personal Creator -I Believe Her Name Mama."
19:34 < searedvandal> nice one ciscon . I need to bookmark that one
19:35 < phinxy> http://termbin.com/l3nf, no output in journalctl -u, the command works in bash but the service does not.  system.conf says StandardOutput=journal
19:35 < slondr> "God told Bill Gates to do earthquakes.  He said He had to make more
19:35 < slondr> Diseases."
19:35 < triceratux> https://www.tenth.org/resource-library/articles/why-was-davids-census-a-great-sin
19:36 < searedvandal> it got weird in here pretty quick. I like it
19:36 < Enumeration> okay srlsy please now no trolling i really need help
19:36 < Enumeration> https://github.com/kvic-z/pixelserv-tls/wiki/How-to-best-run-pixelserv-tls-on-Asuswrt-Merlin and https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists
19:36 < Enumeration> can someone please help
19:36 < leachim6> well fsck me, guess I need to brush up on my old testament history lol
19:37 < Enumeration> ... anyone please
19:37 < slondr> fsck me
19:38 < Drakonan> dude who is this guy i cant believe he hasn't bene wiped off the face of the earth in this day and age with some of his comments :/ im glad to see he's able to make them though
19:38  * leachim6 runs e2fsck on slondr
19:38 < Drakonan> greatest programmer that's ever lived dang
19:38 < CoJaBo> Is there a way to trigger a kernel panic on this message: [ 1124.960043] INFO: task txg_sync:979 blocked for more than 1 seconds.
19:38 < slondr> who, mr temple?
19:38 < slondr> the king?
19:38 < leachim6> Enumeration: so what exactly is your issue now?
19:38 < CoJaBo> Trying to debug a zfs bug with kdump
19:38 < Drakonan> yeah lol
19:38 < slondr> how could he be wiped if he's the king
19:38 < searedvandal> Enumeration, what exactly is it you don't get working?
19:39 < slondr> You can become a Templar of King Terry if you want: http://templeos.org/Templar.html
19:39 < slondr> He makes good memes.
19:39 < jim> Enumeration, I know there are people who usually hangout here that can answer those,,, but maybe they're at the store... if that's the case, maybe ##networking has what you need
19:39 < searedvandal> or one of the wrt channels
19:39 < slondr> "Two knights on one horse refers to being a cuckold.  They had a devotion to the Black Madonna. Chastity is a situation I somehow found myself in but I have superpowers. You know Chuck Norris, right?"
19:39 < Enumeration> thanks jim, so essentailly notice in the github for notracking it says for pihole setup
19:40 < Enumeration> but i am not using pihole but instead pixelserv
19:40 < Enumeration> which i have running on 192.168.1.3
19:40 < Enumeration> now should the ip in dnsmasq addn-conf and match the pixelserv
19:41 < autopsy> Enumeration, DNS is on port 53 data gram.
19:41 < autopsy> UDP
19:42 < Drakonan> what the heck "the cia wants you to think x" ?
19:42 < Enumeration> er right but okay please see this https://raw.githubusercontent.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists/master/domains.txt
19:42 < autopsy> The CIA is off topic here.
19:42 < Enumeration> lets say my file has 192.168.1.3 instead of the 0.0.0.0
19:42 < slondr> King Terry knows what the CIA wants you to think x
19:42 < Enumeration> and to insert a blank pixel image
19:43 < Enumeration> which is on server defined in pixelserv
19:43 < Enumeration> should that be teh same ip address
19:43 < autopsy> Enumeration, I think so yes.
19:43 < autopsy> Your Pi hole is similar except it blocks ads.
19:43 < Enumeration> wanted to make sure and now should local dns be enabled in the config page for ddwrt
19:43 < autopsy> They go to the hole.
19:44 < autopsy> ddwrt should have local DNS off.
19:44 < autopsy> Enumeration, oh you mean using local DNS yes enabled.
19:45 < Enumeration> ah kk thanks man
19:45 < autopsy> Enumeration, I had a LinkSys WRT54G with DD-WRT on it.
19:45 < Enumeration> what do you use now?
19:45 < autopsy> A Cisco 831 router.
19:45 < autopsy> Actually I don't have a router I'm hooked up over usbnet.ko to my cellphone.
19:45 < Enumeration> nicfe
19:46 < Enumeration> lol
19:46 < autopsy> Gots lots of bandwidth 4g LTE.
19:46 < Enumeration> why
19:46 < Enumeration> where are you located
19:46 < Enumeration> like country
19:46 < autopsy> Cause I'm in Safford Arizona.
19:46 < superkuh> Lots of bandwidth. No ports.
19:46 < superkuh> Second class citizen on the 'net.
19:46 < autopsy> HYep.
19:46 < searedvandal> I got some old netgear with ddwrt, still does the job but wifi sucks
19:46 < Enumeration> i live in north korea so my god doesnt allow much
19:47 < autopsy> Wifi radio is burned out.
19:47 < autopsy> Enumeration, oh my god I thought computers were banned there.
19:47 < Armand> Enumeration: I'll help you with that.... There is no "God".
19:47 < searedvandal> well, wifi works fine, just slow with its 54mbit
19:47 < Enumeration> yea well when i said that kim cut my balls off
19:47 < autopsy> 54 MBIT is too slow.
19:47 < Enumeration> he is god
19:47 < autopsy> Kim? Oh lord.
19:47 < Armand> Enumeration: Cut his off first.. problem solved.
19:48 < searedvandal> autopsy, sure is
19:48 < Armand> Ohh... he doesn't have any
19:48 < autopsy> Bomb him.
19:48 < Armand> ^
19:48 < Enumeration> lol nah i am just kidding
19:48 < Drakonan> wow so this guy is legit crazy
19:48 < Armand> yarp
19:48 < searedvandal> but it does the job for my phone, everything else is cabled
19:48 < Enumeration> dont acutally want that to happy like u shuldnt joke
19:48 < autopsy> Yelps.
19:48 < Enumeration> i got carried away
19:48 < Enumeration> er sorry you
19:48 < Enumeration> not u
19:48 < autopsy> u no beter.
19:49 < Drakonan> gotta say hella interesting though
19:49 < autopsy> Drakonan, whats the CIA dude?
19:49 < autopsy> Whats his name?
19:49 < Drakonan> just watching this video its.... crazy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=7uLzaKlZSQQ
19:49 < Drakonan> Terry A. Davis apparently
19:49 < slondr> t
19:49 < slondr> e
19:49 < slondr> r
19:49 < slondr> r
19:49 < slondr> y
19:50 < searedvandal> terry crews?
19:50 < autopsy> Hey you spammd.
19:50 < jeffree> Terry is the man
19:50 < autopsy> Terry cloths.
19:50 < jeffree> do it like a white man
19:50 < slondr> hail King Terry
19:50 < autopsy> Terry Terry Terry!
19:50 < jeffree> haha
19:50 < autopsy> Terry!
19:50 < jeffree> ok, help would be nice
19:50 < jeffree> I have updates
19:50  * slondr praises King Terry
19:51 < autopsy> Oh noes updates lolz.
19:51 < Enumeration> snowden?
19:51 < autopsy> Elizabeth Snowden.
19:51 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Did you get my memo?
19:51 < Enumeration> or you mean stallman
19:52 < Drakonan> so i wonder how he's not like institutionalized
19:53 < slondr> Drakonan: he knows how the CIA operates
19:53 < slondr> He's one step ahead of them every time
19:53 < jeffree> mprime consistently causes a system freeze, firefox with many tabs too, random freezes with ubuntu 16.04 and old intel microcode or with ubuntu 18.04 and new intel microcode, it did NOT have any errors after 7 consecutive passes with memtest86+
19:54 < slondr> >ubuntu
19:54 < slondr> found your problem
19:54 < Enumeration> is elizabeth snowden hot'?
19:55 < slondr> prolly
19:55 < madmax28> Hi. I'm playing around with ptrace and i am running into weird situation. I use PTRACE_O_TRACE{FORK,VFORK,CLONE}, and I'm catching a clone from the tracee. But I am not receiving a SIGSTOP for that new process (which the man page states i would). The process state is set to T (tracing stop). I also tried continuing it manually with PTRACE_CONT, which doesn't fail, but doesn't continue it either. Any tips on how to understand
19:55 < madmax28> what's going on?
19:55 < Enumeration> i'd google it but since i use bash as my browser i cnat see images
19:55 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Is that a no, you did not get my memo?
19:56 < slondr> Enumeration: then use emacs. eww can view images if you configure it right
19:56 < Enumeration> well i split from stallmans church so i cannot since i feel like that is not the right prophet but vi is
19:57 < slondr> can't view images in vi
19:57 < slondr> bad editor
19:58 < Enumeration> anyone here game?
19:58 < sybariten> hey!
19:58 < sybariten> Quick question.....   im selling a second hand Win 7 laptop to someone. I just factory restored it. I kind of dont want the next owner to be able to pull out all old files ive had on it, even if its been formatted
19:59 < Psi-Jack> sybariten: Okay. Do you have a Linux question?
19:59 < slondr> sybariten use dd
19:59 < sybariten> Does it make sense to take a USB linux live distro and sort of fill up the Win HD partition with ..... big mumbo jumbo files, a couple of times?
19:59 < matsaman> sybariten: no, but
19:59 < sybariten> To make older files disappear into the void?
19:59 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: to be clear, I didn't ignore you purely on the basis of a recommendation
19:59 < slondr> no just use dd
19:59 < matsaman> sybariten: you could wipe it wonce with /dev/zero
19:59 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: you are not ignored now
19:59 < matsaman> or even once
20:00 < Asuran> sybariten: shred
20:00 < slondr> matsaman aka use dd
20:00 < matsaman> shred is a waste of time
20:00 < matsaman> slondr: yes indeed
20:00 < Asuran> matsaman: why?
20:00 < matsaman> dd is perfectly suitable to wipe once with /dev/zero
20:00 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Thank you. I actually was in the process of helping you yesterday.
20:00 < sybariten> matsaman: that'd probably erase the current OP which i'm not too keen on... but...
20:00 < Asuran> matsaman: doesnt do shred the same but automatic?
20:00 < leachim6> sybariten: DBAN
20:00 < matsaman> Asuran: because there is roughly -200% evidence more than one pass is useful in any way
20:00 < matsaman> Asuran: no shred (& dban) waste your time
20:01 < matsaman> dban is something the government invented so people could get paid to do nothing, AFAICT
20:01 < leachim6> you don't have to run it wih 100 passes
20:01 < leachim6> just a single pass with dban doesn't take that long
20:01 < matsaman> yeah but why acquire dban when dd is more available
20:01 < slondr> 2 passed with dd and you're good
20:01 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: well, help is appreciated
20:01 < Asuran> dd is nice
20:01 < matsaman> also why acquire dban when it's generally nonsense
20:01 < leachim6> yeah that's fair
20:01 < leachim6> you have a point
20:01 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Did you get your HDD problems figured out?
20:01 < matsaman> no, more than one pass is pointless
20:01 < slondr> dd is my personal favorite turing-complete scripting language
20:01 < matsaman> slondr: heh
20:02 < leachim6> is it really turing complete?
20:02 < leachim6> I don't even know what's true anymore
20:02 < leachim6> 10 years ago I just used awk for string replacement....
20:02 < leachim6> so it could be that DD has a lot of stuff i never used
20:02 < Dan39> leachim6: maybe it was a joke about coding with 1s and 0s? :|
20:02 < matsaman> sybariten: anyway, if you have systemrescuecd, and you should, it has everything you need to back things up, dd the drive with /dev/zero _once_, and restore everything
20:02 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: I'm now thinking the SSD is not the actual problem but maybe ends up in a weird state after my system freezes from some other cause
20:03 < leachim6> I've been recommending DBAN for years to people because it requires no linux knowledge whatsoever, boot it, click the thing, done
20:03 < leachim6> for that point, it is still valuable
20:03 < slondr> >clicking
20:03 < slondr> what is this, windows?
20:03 < matsaman> leachim6: the recommended usage of dban takes more than 9 times as what is required
20:03 < leachim6> -_-
20:03 < matsaman> it's a tosspot
20:03 < leachim6> "press the any key"
20:04 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Well, it could still be. Yesterday I recommended a tool. It's not free, but worth every single penny. SpinRite, in level 2 mode, will basically go through every sector of the HDD/SSD and try to read everything, and when it fails, it will try and try again forcing the error-correcting firmware of the drive to repeatedly try to recover the data.
20:04  * slondr presses $any
20:04 < Dan39> great
20:04 < slondr> goodbye everyone in the channel
20:04 < matsaman> and if you mean the dban live OS, that's a whole other image they have to figure out how to image
20:04 < leachim6> have you ever tried explaining linux to your uncle who's trying to sell his laptop on craiglist?
20:04 < leachim6> he has time
20:04 < slondr> lmao
20:04 < leachim6> was there a netsplit?
20:04 < matsaman> why would I talk to an uncle selling a laptop instead of giving it to me
20:04 < leachim6> yeah spinrite is pretty neat
20:04 < Dan39> Psi-Jack: ive read about spinrite, interesting stuff it does like moving the head at different speeds towards the unreadable area
20:04 < matsaman> waste of time
20:04 < leachim6> matsaman: you got me there
20:04 < Psi-Jack> Dan39: Exactly.
20:05 < matsaman> maybe an "uncle"
20:05 < Dan39> iirc with modern drives (like last 15 years) it isnt that great though
20:05 < matsaman> the inescapable kind....
20:05 < jim> leachim6, dunno, those were ping timeouts, which are different from netsplits
20:05 < leachim6> hmm...maybe a VPS provider where a bunch of people run BNCs had an outage?
20:05 < sybariten> matsaman: ok... but doesnt a DD of the drive, and then putting that "image" back, just put the same old deleted "hidden" data back?
20:05 < leachim6> or an ISP
20:05 < Psi-Jack> Dan39: It's funny. Peter Norton actually tried to buy SpinRite, and parts of Norton Disk Doctor was actually reverse engineered from SpinRite, but.. Only parts.
20:05 < slondr> sybariten: i think you're misunderstanding what you'd use dd for
20:06 < Dan39> bastards :|
20:06 < leachim6> once you zero out the entire disk with DD, you're golden
20:06 < Psi-Jack> Dan39: Steve Gibson never sued, though. :)
20:06 < Psi-Jack> He could've, and won, if he did.
20:06 < leachim6> the only reason data is recoverable in the first place is because things aren't necessary deleted when you do "rm"
20:06 < leachim6> the file descriptors are just deleted
20:06 < ciscon> http://timecube.nicotinelounge.com
20:06 < ciscon> there, a properly working mirror.
20:06 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: the drive smart log indicates 0 critical errors. Also, I have reproduced the freeze by booting from a usb drive so the NVME drive shouldn't even be a factor as far as I can telll
20:07 < Dan39> ive read about that too leachim6 , the myth of hdd recovery after being just zero'ed once, and how it is incredibly super difficult if even possible
20:07 < sybariten> slondr: i meant, backing the drive up like matsaman suggested
20:07 < matsaman> sybariten: no
20:07 < omento> What would you consider to be more accurate for clock speed checking, /proc/cpuinfo, lscpu, or dmidecode?
20:07 < leachim6> yeah once the drive is fully zero-filled, it's a done deal
20:07 < leachim6> you're not getting anything back
20:07 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Smart in a single snapshot instance, doesn't give you much to go on, though. SpinRite has a Smart Anaylizer which you can watch live during its scan.
20:07 < matsaman> sybariten: but you don't dd to backup windows, anyway, you'd use ntfsclone
20:07 < Psi-Jack> Only THAT really makes SMART information actually useful.
20:07 < leachim6> yeah steve gibson has talked on his podcast about how SMART is not the be-all end-all
20:07 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:07 < slondr> dd to zero it out and then reinstall windows on itg
20:07 < matsaman> sybariten: you could use dd, it's just silly
20:07 < Psi-Jack> Many MANY times over, leachim6 . heh
20:08 < leachim6> 3 times, you gotta reboot 3 times
20:08 < matsaman> sybariten: what Windows has installed new data on top of it has overwritten old data from
20:08 < leachim6> what were we talking about ?
20:08 < Dan39> SMART has sucked in my experience. drives going bad and SMART says everything is healthy...
20:08 < matsaman> sybariten: however if you're that concerned, FFR, zero first, then install Windows
20:08 < matsaman> SMART is pointless
20:08 < leachim6> untrue
20:08 < Psi-Jack> It's not pointless, but it's not useful by itself.
20:08 < matsaman> it's pointless unless you have a closet full of extra drives
20:08 < Dan39> not till it really completely fails, then it says it is going bad, like no shit, it's making grinding noises, i dont need SMART to tell me it is bad at that point
20:08 < leachim6> it's good for getting poweron hours ;)
20:08 < matsaman> which none of you have
20:09 < matsaman> Dan39: indeed, no kidding =)
20:09 < Psi-Jack> matsaman: LAck of understanding != no point.
20:09 < Dan39> true that leachim6
20:09 < sybariten> Also, i have to explain my theory, so that someone can explain why it doesnt work. Lets say my hard drive is 2 megabytes in size. There were two audio files of 300 kb each, on the computer and it has been formatted since then. I suspect the audio files could maybe still be found with photorec or something similar. Okay. so i boot this windows machine up in linux, and i print out ten 500 kb files onto the
20:09 < sybariten> drive, filled with random data. Delete, put out more files, etc etc
20:09 < Psi-Jack> None of us have?
20:09 < Dan39> power on hours and spinups counts
20:09 < matsaman> Psi-Jack, you flip flop too much for me to take you seriously, no offense /
20:09 < Psi-Jack> I have quite a few HDD's actually. :p
20:09 < Psi-Jack> matsaman: Excuse me?
20:09 < leachim6> all "formatting" does it tell the OS that "you can write anywhere you want"
20:09 < sybariten> Wouldnt any future photorec operation then, find my 500kb mumbo jumbo files, rather than the old audio files?
20:09 < matsaman> sure
20:09 < leachim6> formatting doesn't overwrite the sectors
20:09 < slondr> sybariten: you're overthinking this
20:09 < slondr> just use dd
20:09 < Dan39> leachim6: depends
20:09 < matsaman> sybariten: from a "format" possibly, but not from Windows' install process _writing_ data to that area
20:10  * justsomeguy looks at his dusty, neglected 12TiB home file server with shame.
20:10 < leachim6> yeah that's true, I'm just talking about a "quick format" in windows
20:10 < Dan39> leachim6: default mkfs.ntfs zero's drive im pretty sure, unless you had -Q for a quick format
20:10 < matsaman> sybariten: when you write data to a spot, 800 times out of 10 the old data is gone forever
20:10 < Dan39> beat me to it...
20:10 < matsaman> sybariten: if you're worried about the 0 times out of 10 it isn't, destroy the drive
20:10 < leachim6> yeah that's true, mkfs.ntfs takes *forever*
20:10 < Dan39> i always -Q
20:10 < matsaman> use mkntfs -f
20:10 < leachim6> and the ntfs support for linux isn't awesome
20:10 < leachim6> although that's not linux' fault
20:10 < leachim6> NTFS ACLs are super whacky
20:11 < Dan39> oh, -f == -Q
20:11 < matsaman> I don't know much about mkntfs's options, but the regular Windows make NTFS operation, the non-fast way does not zero
20:11 < sybariten> matsaman: i'm just curious if my theory is correct or not, tbh
20:11 < matsaman> it does some ridiculous pointless drive analysis
20:11 < matsaman> sybariten: it is not
20:11 < Dan39> matsaman: hmm, what's it do?
20:11 < leachim6> yeah that's my point
20:11 < leachim6> so we're still at square one
20:11 < matsaman> sybariten: as someone already said, saying "this shall be FOO FS" does not overwrite old data
20:11 < leachim6> the moral of the story is dd dev zero to the drive
20:11 < leachim6> reinstall windows
20:11 < matsaman> sybariten: but writing new data into a spot does
20:11 < Asuran> Enumeration: why did you asked
20:11 < leachim6> sleep sound at night
20:11 < leachim6> donezo
20:12 < matsaman> and yeah as a handful of people have said, the correct operation is: zero drive, install new OS
20:12 < jeffree> if I get the system freeze even when the drive is not mounted, shouldn't that eliminate it as a cause?
20:12 < sybariten> matsaman: but... thats what i'm saying? Or are we talking over each othe rhere maybe
20:12 < leachim6> and in our case that "new" data is just infinite zeroes
20:12 < matsaman> sybariten: that didn't seem like what you were saying, but if it was then we're all together
20:12 < Dan39> matsaman: ntfs-3g's mkfs.ntfs says otherwise though...
20:12 < Dan39>        -f, --fast, -Q, --quick
20:12 < Dan39>               Perform quick (fast) format. This will skip both zeroing of the volume and bad sector checking.
20:12 < leachim6> FYI you may see some guides recommend you dd /dev/random or /dev/urandom
20:12 < leachim6> don't bother
20:12 < leachim6>  dev/zero is way fater
20:12 < slondr> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1
20:12 < matsaman> Dan39: I did say I didn't know about mkntfs, I was talking about Windows' own
20:12 < Dan39> but what windows actually does i have no idea
20:12 < leachim6> slondr: +1
20:12 < matsaman> just be sure the of= value is correct
20:12 < Dan39> so now we know both :)
20:12 < Asuran> i would also recommend add conv=noerror and status=progress
20:13 < Dan39> since you just told me what windows does and i just told you what mkntfs does :D
20:13 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Is it unmounted and disconnected?
20:13 < leachim6> you can find out what the physical drives are named with "blkid" or "lsblk"
20:13 < matsaman> Windows does not zero
20:13 < leachim6> then double check with "fdisk -l" to make sure you  go the right drive
20:13 < leachim6> is there an eq to fdisk -l with parted?
20:13 < matsaman> not unless they changed it quite recently, which isn't a thing Windows folk do
20:13 < sybariten> matsaman: ok, i could put the example like this instead. I have a 200 megabyte hard drive that i have had a transformers film on. I dont want anyone ever to know that i have had this illegal 700 mb dvd rip, ok? So i delete it. I dont touch the OS on the drive
20:13 < matsaman> leachim6: -l again innit?
20:13 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: I haven't tried disconnected yet
20:13 < slondr> sybariten: just use dd
20:13 < slondr> you could be done by now
20:13 < matsaman> sybariten: it's still there until someone writes on to the place it was at
20:14 < matsaman> sybariten: something like: a new file you gave the OS, or zero's from dd
20:14 < leachim6> matsaman: you are correct! nice
20:14 < sybariten> I do however download two terrabytes of public domain nature documentaries to the drive, in succession. File adter file. Download, delete, download, delete
20:14 < rindolf> interesting - my ubuntu vm takes 180 mb ram when running jwm and x, and mageia 7 takes over 300 mb wo x
20:14 < slondr> you don't need to do that
20:14 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: That would be the more ideal situation, you'd essentially be elimitating even possible hardware failure that way.
20:14 < slondr> just use DD it'll save so much time
20:14 < leachim6> yeah I think the general consensus here is that zeroing the drive one time is perfectly fine and you can pass on the drive with confidence
20:14 < slondr> leachim6: that's also the general consensus of the cybsersecurity community
20:14 < leachim6> and as some other folks pointed out, zeroing it 5-10 times like with DBAN just wastes your time and puts unnecessary stress on the disk
20:14 < sybariten> Now, in the case that the feds look into my drive, why on earth would the be able to dig up transformers, that was living on the drive like twelve iterations ago, rather than the nature documentary i downloaded last, and deleted ?
20:15 < leachim6> which I never considered
20:15  * leachim6 learned a thing too
20:15 < sybariten> the = they
20:15 < Trel> When viewing a man file, is there any way to see the path to the actual file? I'm trying to see which copy is getting read.
20:15 < Asuran> leachim6: i guess you need to alter it shred does various writes
20:15 < leachim6> I mean...
20:15 < Pentode> rindolf, comparable to my thinkpad running Xorg / openbox
20:15 < autopsy> Or use /dev/urandom too to write random bytes to every sector.
20:15 < leachim6> it's usually in /usr/local/man or /usr/share/man
20:15 < Pentode> rindolf, trim your kernel down and you can get it even lower.
20:15 < autopsy> Thayt'll shred a file partition.
20:15 < slondr> sybariten: dd does what you are asking
20:15 < slondr> we've been saying this for awhile now
20:15 < leachim6> autopsy: seems unnecessry as the speed of /dev/zero is much faster than /dev/urandom
20:15 < slondr> I don't know why you haven't done it yet
20:16 < leachim6> especially if your system doesn't have haveged installed
20:16 < sybariten> slondr: youve been saying that like umpteen times now, i think youre missing what my original question was
20:16 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: I might do that tomorrow after I get some canned air
20:16 < autopsy> leachim6, well just to trash it.
20:16 < slondr> sybariten: no I understand what you're asking
20:16 < Asuran> autopsy: what you mean doesnt it shred whole drive
20:16 < leachim6> sybariten: please re-state it then
20:16 < slondr> you want to use dd
20:16 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Are you thinking of doing what was said about using the canned air upside down? I hope not.
20:16 < autopsy> Asuran, you can write single files with dd.
20:16 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: I didn't see that. Sounds like a cold boot attack
20:16 < Trel> leachim6: I think it may be picking one up from ~/share/man even though it's not in my path, so I was hoping to see
20:17 < Trel> *see for sure
20:17 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: heh, someone here suggested that, and I nearly fell out of my chair with how stupid that idea was. :)
20:17 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: so, no, just normal cleaning
20:17 < autopsy> Trel run mandb
20:17 < autopsy> It updates manual pages database.
20:18 < sybariten> leachim6: can i use a live linux system to write lots and lots of random (or, well not necesarily random) data to a drive, in order to create files, that when deleted would be more prone to be found by forensics software, than the files i originally had there
20:18 < Trel> autopsy: how would that help determine which one is picked up? I don't want it to use the one from ~/share
20:18 < rindolf> Pentode: ok
20:18 < slondr> sybariten: you can do that using dd, but it's a total waste to write random data instead of just zeroing it out
20:18 < slondr> this is what I've been saying to do
20:19 < slondr> dd if=/dev/zero of=/drive/part
20:19 < autopsy> Random data is harder to sift through.
20:19 < leachim6> sybariten: yeah if you want to waste a bunch of time
20:19 < sybariten> slondr: you mean dding the drive?
20:19 < slondr> YES
20:19 < slondr> That's what i've been saying this whole time
20:19 < leachim6> s/i've/we all have/g
20:19 < slondr> ^
20:19 < sybariten> slondr: no, but that was never the option. Then i would have asked about that, right? Or, i wouldnt have needed to ask about it. I would have done it, if i wanted to erase the current parittions
20:19 < autopsy> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1024
20:19 < Trel> (if it's NOT picking it up from there, I need to file a bug report for the distro since the man file is newer than the binary based on what it claims default settings are)
20:19 < slondr> what
20:19 < slondr> wait what are you even talking about
20:20 < slondr> autopsy: urandom will take WAY more time than zero with no benefit whatsoever
20:20 < autopsy> slondr Ok. /dev/zero then.
20:20 < leachim6> Trel: you can run `strace -e open man <manpage>` and look at which files it opens
20:20 < slondr> sybariten: Zero the drive then install windows on itg
20:20 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: for what purpose did they recommend that?
20:20 < sybariten> slondr: no, i cant do that. Then i would have done that
20:20 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: All I could tell... To destroy what you have.
20:20 < Trel> leachim6: I keep forgetting about strace. That'll work, thanks :D
20:20 < slondr> sybariten: literally why
20:21 < rindolf> Pentode: maybe it is https://www.linuxatemyram.com/
20:21 < sybariten> slondr: ....that doesnt matter to the question i had, does it?
20:21 < leachim6> I give that site out at least a few times a week at work rindolf
20:21 < autopsy> fuser flock strace pidof
20:21 < slondr> yes it does
20:21 < slondr> because I don't think you can't do that
20:21 < sybariten> slondr: well to begin with you'd need the exact same OS
20:22 < slondr> what
20:22 < slondr> no
20:22 < slondr> you want to deliver this machine with an OS on it right?
20:22 < sybariten> unless i wanna find drives to clone it to
20:22 < slondr> So zero the drive and then install the OS.
20:22 < autopsy> /dev/zero is fast.
20:22 < slondr> ^
20:22 < sybariten> yeah, i dont have install medium for the OS
20:22 < slondr> why not
20:22 < autopsy> Using a huge blocksize will help.
20:22 < slondr> what OS
20:23 < autopsy> You need a DVD then.
20:23 < ReScO> hey folks
20:23 < autopsy> Fedora LiveDVD.
20:23 < slondr> or a flash drive
20:23 < ReScO> I zapped out a little while ago
20:23 < autopsy> ReScO, you sure did.
20:23 < sybariten> well... that is really quite irrelevant for the question whether newly created random files on a drive will obscure older deleted files on the same drive, isnt it
20:23 < ReScO> 4.16.14-300 is having issues with intel's iGPU
20:23 < Asuran> i would do shred -x -z -v /dev/... but
20:23 < ReScO> hardware acceleration doesn't work at all :|
20:24 < ReScO> freezes the system
20:24 < ReScO> i've tried to fix it :c to no avail
20:24 < slondr> sybariten: It's relevant to the question of what you're actually trying to do.
20:24 < autopsy> ReScO, oh cat got away eh?
20:24 < ReScO> No trouble on 4.16.12-300 :(
20:24 < autopsy> Asuran, what is shred?
20:24 < justsomeguy> Probably best to use ATA secure erase.
20:24 < ReScO> autopsy: mhm, it's gone, man
20:24 < Asuran> autopsy: from gnutools i guess
20:25 < autopsy> Asuran, oh really didn't know.
20:25 < Asuran> autopsy: but its an tool for securely delete files
20:25 < autopsy> Asuran, yeah I gathered that.
20:25 < ReScO> but yeah, anyone here running fedora 28 with 4.16.14-300 and with the i915 driver?
20:25 < matsaman> sybariten: you can clone/dd to a file, but for windows you should just use ntfsclone, but really you should zero before you install
20:25 < ReScO> if so, how's hardware acceleration working for you?
20:25 < matsaman> later on
20:25 < sybariten> slondr: i love that one, thats what people always say in certain channels....  "Is there a function in [some software] that does this?" "Depends, what are you trying to do?"  "uh i'm creating a poster"  "no no. I mean, where is the poster gonna be used? Do you really need to use a poster for this? Youll save time pushing out information by SMS"
20:25 < Pentode> rindolf, yeah. linux caches a healthy ammount of ram as well which may make it appear to be using more than it really is.
20:26 < sybariten> a little bit exaggerated but you get the idea
20:26 < ReScO> also, mysteriously, there's nothing in the logs about the hwaccel issue :|
20:26 < Pentode> rindolf, an average system at boot running X with a minimal manager fits well within the range you gave.
20:27 < sybariten> mateothegreat: doesnt a dd clone (of equal size as the drive) keep the same data inside it, btw? I mean, from a forensics perspective....  but then again i guess clonezilla or something can prolly make an image of just the data that is being used at the moment
20:31 < jeffree> woo jesus spinrite is expensive
20:31 < Psi-Jack> One time for life. :)
20:32 < autopsy> One time fee for data deletion.
20:32 < jeffree> I actually listen to his podcast
20:32 < autopsy> Oh SpinRite.
20:32 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: Security Now?
20:32 < jeffree> yeah
20:32 < nchambers> oh they're the security now guys?
20:32 < Psi-Jack> Yep. Pretty good stuff. I listen to it at 2x speed, because 1x is just too slow. LOL
20:32 < Psi-Jack> nchambers: Steve Gibson is.
20:33 < jeffree> Psi-Jack: lol, I think I have it at 1.5
20:33 < nchambers> Psi-Jack: ah
20:33 < Psi-Jack> jeffree: I did have it at 1.5, but then it got to be 2 hours long. LOL
20:34 < autopsy> 1.75 is good.
20:34 < autopsy> Bye nurdie
20:34 < jeffree> I'm now at a point where I can't listen to all the podcasts I want to :)
20:35 < searedvandal> I had to cut out a few
20:35 < absurdistani> jeffree, likewise. too many podcasts and too little time.
20:35 < searedvandal> got too much
20:37 < Psi-Jack> I'm picky about what podcasts I listen to. I'm down to just SecurityNow and the Red Hat one.
20:37 < edd_lc> So, are we all migrating to Gitlab or what?
20:37 < Psi-Jack> When they come back for season 2 anyway.
20:37 < Psi-Jack> edd_lc: Nope.
20:38 < jeffree> I think many people are
20:38 < Psi-Jack> All if my github stuff is already pretty much a mirror of my gitea server, anyway.
20:38 < edd_lc> Psi-Jack: Why not? Microsoft bought Skype and killed it. Don't think they have good plans for Github, either
20:38 < slondr> Gitlab is good. Gitkraken is good. Bitbucket is goot. Launchpad is fscking trash
20:38 < Psi-Jack> edd_lc: I still use Skype.
20:38 < Psi-Jack> sorta.
20:39 < edd_lc> Only for work and interviews here. A 7.5B investment has to have some long term plan to bring in more cash
20:41 < autopsy> Does Skype still run on Linux?
20:41 < Psi-Jack> It does, through an Electron app.
20:41 < autopsy> I had a Fedora 15 package RPM for it.
20:41 < Psi-Jack> And works from a browser too.
20:41 < autopsy> Oh wow.
20:41 < autopsy> Everything from a browser.
20:41 < SuperSeriousCat> edd_lc, the CEO of MS's GitHub answering quetions here. https://www.reddit.com/r/AMA/comments/8pc8mf/im_nat_friedman_future_ceo_of_github_ama/?limit=500
20:41 < slondr> yeah skype is a terrible electron app now
20:42 < Psi-Jack> Kinda sucks, but meh. Microsoft does electron actually FAIRLY decently so far.. Better than some other trash out there.
20:42 < autopsy> I got this shellinaboxd it has a browser based login shell at 127.0.0.1:4200
20:42 < slondr> that's why discord and slack caught on so fast
20:42 < slondr> skype and lync died HARD
20:42 < SuperSeriousCat> Skype was labeled very bad for privacy by someone last time I heard about it. Dont know why or how
20:42 < shrdlu68> rms, probably.
20:42 < streuner> could anyone help me with playonlinux?
20:42 < autopsy> Privately using your login info lolz.
20:42 < edd_lc> SuperSeriousCat: Cheers
20:43 < slondr> It is
20:43 < slondr> It doesn't encrypt its communications and MS keeps logs of everything
20:43 < autopsy> Logs shmogs.
20:43 < slondr> it was in the prism docs that everything you say (voice or text) goes straight to NSA servers
20:43 < autopsy> Oh great.
20:43 < autopsy> More pizza pocket loving NSAers going about my businesses.
20:44 < SuperSeriousCat> NSA got lots of info about my LoL games back the days then
20:44 < autopsy> My pppd scripts they have in 1995.
20:44 < autopsy> When I connected using minicom.
20:45 < autopsy> Hot pockets.
20:49 < autopsy> The National Security Agency.
20:50 < autopsy> Fitin bros in el pakistani.
20:50 < jeffree> autopsy: how do you know they like pizza pockets?
20:50 < autopsy> Cause they buy them all the time.
20:50 < jeffree> how do you know?
20:51 < autopsy> I used to see leaked feeds comin out of thier offices on liveleaks.
20:51 < jeffree> lol, I doubt that
20:51 < autopsy> LOLZ
20:51 < autopsy> Howd u no.
20:52 < hangint3n> what controls the monitor going to sleep the kernel or KDE? If it is the kernel is this the option? ACPI_VIDEO  ?
20:53 < autopsy> hangint3n, KD controls the timeout for blanking.
20:53 < autopsy> hangint3n, the kernel controls the device though.
20:54 < hangint3n> K. So I've got KDE setup to sleep after 5 minutes of inactivity and it does not do so...
20:54 < searedvandal> system settings - energy saving
20:54 < hangint3n> ACPI_VIDEO this option is not set in the kernel.
20:54 < hangint3n> I'll look now....
20:55 < autopsy> hangint3n, you need ACPI for video to sleep.
20:55 < autopsy> hangint3n, what distro?
20:55 < autopsy> hangint3n, it works good on Fedora.
20:56 < hangint3n> I'm using gentoo...
20:57 < SuperSeriousCat> Is "..." your endter key?
20:57 < SuperSeriousCat> enter*
20:58 < hangint3n> I'll enable this in the kernel do a re-compile and see what happens.
20:58 < slondr> ..
20:58 < searedvandal> hangint3n, have you done the minimal kernel setup explained in the gentoo wiki for power management?
20:58 < shrdlu68> ACPI always seems to be enabled by default.
20:59 < hangint3n> I didn't even know there was a gentoo setup wiki for power management.  And I should have.
20:59 < autopsy> hangint3n, why Gentoo?
20:59 < slondr> gentoo is good
20:59 < Dan39> because he hates the environment
20:59 < hangint3n> autopsy: because it was there
21:00 < Dan39> all that extra compiling killing the forests
21:00 < SuperSeriousCat> My power come from water. Do I kill the forest too?
21:00 < Dan39> no, only the fish :P
21:00 < hangint3n> been using it for 15 maybe 16 years.  Now it is like a comfy pillow.  Who gets rid of a comfy pillow?
21:00 < searedvandal> hangint3n, it was the first result I got when I googled gentoo power management.
21:01  * shrdlu68 runs Gentoo too.
21:01 < hangint3n> searedvandal: and that is what I should have done.
21:01 < searedvandal> :)
21:01 < SuperSeriousCat> Actually "my" power is sold cheap to east block countries and bought back expensive from they coal electrisity
21:02  * slondr runs CloverOS in a VM on Arch
21:02 < autopsy> Electricity.
21:02 < searedvandal> what kind of power do you guys produce SuperSeriousCat ?
21:02 < autopsy> What is CloverOS?
21:02 < autopsy> Hi fr0ddy_
21:02 < slondr> Like Architect, but for Gentoo.
21:02 < SuperSeriousCat> searedvandal, electrical
21:02 < searedvandal> cool
21:03 < searedvandal> I'm guessing not coal since you explicitly said you bought back expensive coal electricity
21:03 < searedvandal> so, nuclear?
21:04 < autopsy> Who buys back coal?
21:04 < autopsy> Not me not he.
21:04 < SuperSeriousCat> Water as mt first line was
21:04 < autopsy> Not the fish in the sea.
21:04 < autopsy> Water as Mt mountain?
21:04 < searedvandal> SuperSeriousCat, sorry, I missed that.
21:04 < SuperSeriousCat> :P
21:04 < autopsy> Your first line of defense.
21:05 < searedvandal> we sure love hydropower
21:05 < autopsy> * SwiftMatt has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
21:05 < autopsy> Sure do. Hydro ponic.
21:07 < searedvandal> here we do about 95% of total electricity production from water
21:08 < Thedarkb> I just made a biiiiiiiiig mistake with useradd
21:08 < Thedarkb> I mean adduser
21:08 < Thedarkb> How do I remove a user from a group.
21:08 < slondr> usermod
21:08 < Dan39> or gpasswd
21:09 < searedvandal> deluser <username> <groupname>
21:09 < searedvandal> or the two above
21:09 < CustosLimen> that is busybox
21:09 < CustosLimen> the deluser
21:09 < CustosLimen> AFAIK
21:09 < Dan39> adduser/deluser are debian commands iirc
21:10 < Dan39> or some other places
21:10 < Thedarkb> Thank you
21:10 < Thedarkb> I am running Debian
21:10 < CustosLimen> hmm
21:10 < searedvandal> yeah, since he mentioned adduser I thought deluser was safe to suggest
21:10 < CustosLimen> debian is cancer
21:10 < Dan39> the common ones are useradd and userdel, which will also be on debian, but they recommend using their own adduser/deluser
21:10 < CustosLimen> because it is cancer
21:10 < Thedarkb> Debian isn't caner.
21:10 < CustosLimen> yes
21:10 < Thedarkb> Arch is though.
21:10 < CustosLimen> no
21:10 < searedvandal> both are good
21:11 < Thedarkb> Arch can self destruct at any moment.
21:11 < slondr> nah
21:11 < searedvandal> nah
21:11 < slondr> arch breaks when y ou break it
21:11 < slondr> it works fine when you don't break it
21:11 < Dan39> haa
21:11 < slondr> if you don't want your arch to break, don't break your arch
21:11 < searedvandal> only ever had 1 issue with arch. and it was my fault.
21:11 < SuperSeriousCat> pacman broke Arch when I tried it. Both times
21:11 < CustosLimen> does debian still do the mess where they use systemd to call their old init scripts which then fail and don't report back to systemd that it broke
21:11 < slondr> this is not how debian works. debian can be destroyed by uninstalling the wrong package lmao.
21:11 < Dan39> CustosLimen: afaik, yes
21:11 < CustosLimen> = cacner
21:11 < CustosLimen> I mean how hard is it to write bloody systemd unit files
21:12 < slondr> ^
21:12 < Dan39> CustosLimen: well, depends on the version
21:12 < Dan39> latest might not
21:12 < slondr> it's very easy lmao. There are entire programs written natively in systemd unit files
21:12 < searedvandal> SuperSeriousCat, how did pacman break arch? did you update your system without checking what it updated?
21:12 < slondr> look at shadow.service
21:12 < Dan39> CustosLimen: how about ubuntu 16.04 running BOTH systemd and upstart at the same time :D
21:12 < Dan39> now that's cancer
21:12 < slondr> Dan39: I just visibly cringed
21:12 < CustosLimen> Dan39, yeah
21:12 < SuperSeriousCat> searedvandal, update yes. Not installing something new
21:13 < searedvandal> yeah, thats how I broke my arch too
21:13 < Dan39> systemd is the system manager, and then upstart runs when you login as user for the user-managed stuff
21:13 < searedvandal> and my fault. I should have checked before just pressing play
21:13 < CustosLimen> I like arch but I also find it too easy to break - though I still prefer it over debian derived
21:13 < pnbeast> [R], you're just in time.  I think there is an Arch question or two on the floor.
21:13 < slondr> I've used arch since late 2014 continuously with no major issues
21:13 < [R]> pnbeast: awesome
21:13 < [R]> pnbeast: you know how solid i KNOW arch is...
21:14 < shrdlu68> Surprisingly, Gentoo turned out to be the stablest distro I ever tried.
21:14 < [R]> knock on arch is the phrase... right?
21:14 < Dan39> i have yet to find an explanation as to why or who thought of that.
21:14 < pnbeast> I've heard things about it.
21:14 < CustosLimen> shrdlu68, gentoo is best but I hate compiling everthing
21:14 < SuperSeriousCat> Nah. This is why I prefer Gentoo. You get news items if there is anything break worthy. And you get info from each package if there is any significant package changes. Arch just silently let you get FUBAR'd
21:14 < Dan39> SuperSeriousCat: arch sends out news too about possible upgrade breaks
21:14 < [R]> years ago, gentoo pushed an update for lvm that totally hosed my 330gb lvm volume
21:14 < [R]> that was fun...
21:15 < Dan39> ive enjoyed my time on arch a lot more than any other
21:15 < pnbeast> Dan39, you weren't supposed to say that.  They send them, but not to him.
21:15 < ReScO> Anyone here having issues with hardware acceleration on kernel 4.16.14-300 and i915?
21:15 < shrdlu68> CustosLimen: Modern machines are pretty fast, I don't even notice it most of the time.
21:15 < SuperSeriousCat> As an example. intel-ucode got a new stable. It told me I needed a kernel higher than what I had installed. Arch would not do that
21:15 < shrdlu68> Except when compiling llvm or firefox...
21:15 < [R]> CAN YOU TAKE ME HIGHER
21:15 < [R]> DO DO DO DO DO
21:15 < Pentode> ReScO, from 4.4.0 and up i have been having problems.
21:16 < jim> [R], :P
21:16 < ReScO> Pentode: what GPU?
21:16 < Dan39> saturdays are fun in ##linux  :D
21:16 < Pentode> ReScO, ironlake
21:16 < ReScO> hmm.
21:16 < Pentode> which are you using?
21:17 < Pentode> i have a second generation i5. issues are related to performance and mild artifact's for me.
21:17 < ReScO> Pentode: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/uhd_graphics/620
21:18 < ReScO> For me it's any hwaccelerated app that just freezes the system, visually
21:18 < Pentode> very different issues. hmm
21:18 < Pentode> sorry ;)
21:18 < Pentode> perhaps it's flaky across the board
21:19 < [R]> you know what i never understood
21:19 < [R]> flaky mean yummy
21:19 < [R]> but flaky hardware is bad
21:19 < Pentode> ReScO, what have you tried thus far?
21:19 < Pentode> flaky pastry
21:20 < Pentode> i seem to attract flaky women. :|
21:20 < ReScO> Pentode: nothing in the logs, tried regular vs modesetting, etc...
21:20 < ReScO> Install some mesa drivers
21:20 < ReScO> Nothing has worked thusfar
21:21 < Pentode> ReScO, there is an upgrade tool intel has. maybe as a last resort, if it has newer drivers available other than what you currently have, or have access to.
21:21 < ReScO> That's EOL
21:21 < cmj> flaky is that guy who doesn't show up to work
21:22 < ReScO> They discontinued said tool
21:22 < Pentode> oh. sadface.
21:22 < ReScO> :c
21:22 < ReScO> But i can't be the only one with issues, i think
21:22 < Pentode> download the latest xorg intel master and compile it from source
21:23 < Pentode> you probably aren't. have you tried the all knowing un-trusted and hated oracle google?
21:23 < cmj> make sure you have the latest intel microcode too
21:23 < nekoseam> :)
21:24 < nekoseam> Oh hey, Devuan 2.0 released
21:24 < nekoseam> https://devuan.org/
21:25 < ReScO> Pentode: did look around google, nothing found, first thing i did
21:26 < ReScO> Pentode: might have to compile from source, yeah
21:28 < cmj> not sure if this is related, https://gist.github.com/Brainiarc7/aa43570f512906e882ad6cdd835efe57
21:31 < za1b1tsu> What type of USB should I buy for a portable linux installation?
21:32 < ReScO> USB-C or 3
21:33 < revel> A USB mass storage device, preferably.
21:33 < autopsy> zalbltsu, a Sandisk.
21:35 < autopsy> zalbltsu Flash drives work good i have two of them one is a Sandisk.
21:37 < autopsy> My Android phone has a kernel 3.10.9 from March 30 2016.
21:37  * [R] gives autopsy a gold star?
21:37 < autopsy> Why thank you [R].
21:38 < autopsy> I was hoping I'd get one of those.
21:41 < sazawal> I have a script which I want to run as soon as a drive is mounted. The drive is set to automount on plug. I read on some forums that a systemd service can be created for this. I got some sample service files, but I don't find a good tutorial about how to create this file and what is the meaning of each parameter. Can someone guide me to a good tutorial on this?
21:42 < ciscon> i'm sure you can, but i'd just have it set to noauto and use udev to do it
21:42 < autopsy> sazawal, oh noes scripts running after plug in.
21:43 < sazawal> autopsy, who is noe?
21:44 < danilot> clear
21:44 < autopsy> No.
21:46 < danilot> Hello everyone, can anyone help me to slove temperature issue on my thinkpad t430 (without discrete GPU) ? (running on Manjaro Gnome)
21:46 < autopsy> danilot, use Fedora.
21:47 < autopsy> danilot, you might try cpufreq cpupower to scale the MegaHertz down when in low power state it might cool the CPU.
21:48 < autopsy> I've got mine ramped up to past 3.10 GHz
21:48 < danilot> autopsy, Hi i use cpupower and set frequency  from 3.3 GH to 2.6GHz
21:50 < danilot> autopsy, also i set gouvernor to powersave
21:51 < autopsy> danilot, use like 1.5 GHz setting. On all Cores.
21:51 < autopsy> danilot, is it overheating is the FAN on high speed?
21:51 < NGC3982> in my linux terminal, alt+backspace removes entire words from front to back. it would be nice if alt+delete removed words from back to front.
21:52 < NGC3982> i do it all the time just because it feels logical, until i realize that doesnt work :(.
21:52 < danilot> autopsy, on idle temperature vary from 43 to 50 C
21:52 < leachim6> control-w
21:52 < SuperSeriousCat> 43-50 idle is not too bad for a laptop, no?
21:53 < SuperSeriousCat> Cleaned for dust inside the laptop?
21:53 < NGC3982> laptops does not come with a standard of temperature, so everything below melted metal can be model standard.
21:53 < danilot> autopsy, i am software developer and when working with intellij temperature are 50 to 80
21:53 < autopsy> I had a processor at 86 degrees Fahrenheit once. It was an Intel Celeron.
21:53 < SuperSeriousCat> Whenever I feel my fan turn up the speed more often than usual, I just clean it inside and it get more calm
21:53 < NGC3982> that is why it is more important to test the laptop with high load, to see what the worst scenario is.
21:54 < danilot> yes, i cleaned dust and replaced thermal compound
21:54 < Pentode> 40-50 is not unusually high.
21:54 < autopsy> danilot 80 celsius is bad.
21:55 < Pentode> 90-100 is crossing into the nono zone ;)
21:55 < autopsy> danilot turn them down to 1.5GHz
21:55 < NGC3982> so, use stress to simply test the top temperatures.
21:55 < autopsy> Test the max temp using a stressful application.
21:55 < NGC3982> a low idle temperature may not indicate what actually happends at high load.
21:55 < NGC3982> and so on
21:56 < autopsy> danilot, I think you'll be fine with 1.5 GHz
21:56 < danilot> is there any drivers that could be installed ?
21:56  * NGC3982 is talking to himself.
21:56 < autopsy> danilot, try installing fanspeed.
21:56 < SuperSeriousCat> What do you use to see temperature?
21:56 < Pentode> danilot, you could get one of those laptop cooler trays. they actually do help a bit so long as the laptop has an intake fan on the bottom.
21:57 < NGC3982> SuperSeriousCat: what distribution are you on?
21:57 < NGC3982> SuperSeriousCat: in most cases: sensors (aptitude package: lm-sensors)
21:57 < autopsy> danilot, what are you using to view the temperature?
21:57 < danilot> Pentode, ok i will conseder that
21:58 < danilot> i\m using lm sensors
21:58 < gugah> hi guys, I'm having problems with xpad and my xbox360 controller. Basically xpad assigns the dpad as two aixs, ans I want them to be buttons. dpad_to_buttons=1 isn't working since the controller is recognized. Any workaround you might know?
21:58 < autopsy> lm_sensors
21:58 < SuperSeriousCat> NGC3982, it was to danilot :p
21:58 < danilot> :D
21:59 < NGC3982> who is testing a laptop and who isnt.
21:59 < [R]> gugah: well if the driver isn't doing what you want it to do, you'll have to modify it
21:59 < autopsy> I'm on a laptop.
21:59 < NGC3982> cool.
21:59 < danilot> :D
21:59 < autopsy> danilot needs to test max temps.
21:59 < Pentode> <- halftop
21:59 < SuperSeriousCat> My CPU is at 64c now. Old laptop and the fan is just idle'ng along. You probably got no problems and little to no lowering to do, danilot
21:59 < NGC3982> by the way, fairway convention?
22:00 < SuperSeriousCat> Laptops have higher temps due to design
22:00 < autopsy> Yeah danilot nothing to worry about.
22:00 < danilot> SuperSeriousCat, hi :) right now i have opened firefox, VLC HEXCHAT and IntelliJ
22:00 < NGC3982> 22:00 < SuperSeriousCat> Laptops have higher temps due to *lack of* design <- fixed it for you.
22:00 < Pentode> Core 0:       +51.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 2:       +51.0°C  (high = +95.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
22:01 < Pentode> danilot, thats my machine with medium load right now.
22:01 < Pentode> well. low load i guess id say rather
22:01 < danilot> Max tem is 50 degree and average is 45
22:01 < Pentode> 20% on each core
22:01 < SuperSeriousCat> NGC3982, if you have any better design I bet you can make lots of money
22:01 < danilot> but everything is on idle
22:01 < danilot> im not runng tomcat server
22:01 < NGC3982> SuperSeriousCat: you are true. im just being an angry customer.
22:01 < Pentode> mine wont run much cooler than that at idle.
22:02 < autopsy> I need lm_sensors
22:02 < NGC3982> autopsy: you into british folk rock?
22:02 < autopsy> NGC3982, no why?
22:02 < SuperSeriousCat> danilot, whats the TDP on your CPU?
22:02 < NGC3982> autopsy: your nickname is an old classic. :)
22:02 < danilot> Pentode, can you tell me what is your fanspeed right now
22:03 < autopsy> NGC3982, oh I wasn't aware you a brit?
22:03 < danilot> mine is between 3500 - 3700
22:03 < Pentode> danilot, 3100rpm
22:03 < Pentode> thats appropriate. i really wouldn't worry too much about it.
22:03 < danilot> Pentode, ty alot
22:04 < NGC3982> autopsy: nope. still a good song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQGV-Wmaw1k
22:04 < Pentode> modern dies are pretty tough and if it does get excessively hot it will turn the fan up all the way and throttle all the way down.. if runaway happens, it'll just shut off.
22:04 < danilot> i will be AFK for a while
22:04 < Pentode> np
22:05 < danilot> ty again you save my day
22:05 < NGC3982> i also want my day saved.
22:06 < Roey> hello!  My dmesg output is full of messages of the form "[2396418.770521] hpet1: lost 478 rtc interrupts"  How do I fix this??
22:06  * Pentode double checks that there are no supernova or large blackholes lingering close to NGC3982
22:06 < Pentode> yep your fine.
22:08 < NGC3982> i havent actually had any stellar mishaps in modern days.
22:09 < NGC3982> yet, my constant eating might make me turn into a quasar
22:09 < NGC3982> and that's bad news for my tenants.
22:11 < Pentode> welp they have some time at least.
22:11 < autopsy> NGC3982, National Galactic Cluster.
22:11 < NGC3982> no, that's not it. ;)
22:11 < NGC3982> also, i hope that your contry does not house a galactic cluster, since that may cause some issues.
22:12 < autopsy> Black holes are where its at I'm telling you.
22:12 < autopsy> Theyre all black and hopeless inside.
22:12 < NGC3982> if you find black holes fascinating, you should read about quasars.
22:12 < autopsy> Guaranteeing no sunlight.
22:13 < NGC3982> they are neither black and does not at least thing they are hopeless
22:13 < HelloFriend> I'm following my school documentation but its from 2009, anyway what i want to do is make one of my ubuntu machines a gateway for an external and internal  network. the first thing it says to do is disable se linux ? is this still necessary?
22:13 < revel> What about pink holes?
22:13 < cloudbud> what is a difference between ini and conf file in supervisor context ?
22:13 < HelloFriend> from the tutorials i see online they don't touch se linux?
22:13 < revel> HelloFriend: I don't think Ubuntu comes with SELinux enabled by default.
22:14 < HelloFriend> revel that explains why then
22:14 < autopsy> HelloFriend, nah you might run into trouble with SELinux using ip_forward though to route packets by the kernel.
22:15 < HelloFriend> autopsy cool, i'll just leave it disabled then
22:15 < Pentode> cloudbud, the extension. in windows speak at least, it means initialization. to be loaded when a program starts.
22:15 < revel> Maybe if you used Fedora (or maybe CentOS?), you'd have to tinker with SELinux (or take the easy way out and turn it off).
22:15 < Pentode> i suppose that could still be right for linux if one wanted to specifically separate files loaded at runtime and ones that may be accessed and written at any time.
22:16 < cloudbud> Pentode : I have supervisor i should have the app.conf or app.ini in the /etc/supervisor
22:17 < Pentode> i'm not familiar with supervisor, sorry.
22:18 < Pentode> http://supervisord.org/configuration.html
22:19 < autopsy> shellinaboxd is pretty cool.
22:20 < TheNik> Hello! If anyone can help me with a (hopefully) minor problem... I have this shell account on a remote Gentoo (Linux) server, and trying to set up a cron job. I'm supposed to use "crontab -e", but I get "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE" stuff, and, (I'm following a Superuser answer here) editing and saving the file anyway does not have any effect because it is just reset.
22:22 < oneko> omg - how on earth does someone deal with manipulative abuse :-P
22:22 < Pentode> oneko, by pushing them out the front door and locking it.
22:23 < Aph3x-WL> they switch to linux and leave microsoft far behind
22:23 < kamura> got vboxfs shared folder but I can't chown dirs in it
22:23 < DLange> TheNik: when you do crontab -e    and see "do not edit this file" you are using sudoedit or something else
22:24 < DLange> (aka this is really wrong)
22:24 < kamura> what's the solution
22:24 < oneko> The problem, Pentode is that I am black kenyan doing some techy things and I routinely chat here http://atrum.org/ but now people are in the habit of shaming me about my food and other non-common habits :-P
22:24 < DLange> kamura: chown on the host side
22:24 < Pentode> that's annoying
22:24 < TheNik> DLange: What am I usually supposed to use instead of sudoedit? (Apologies, I am pretty much a zero in all things Linux)
22:24 < DLange> oneko: and what does that have to do with ##linux?
22:25 < DLange> TheNik: type in    crontab -e
22:25 < DLange> (no sudoedit)
22:25 < TheNik> Yes?
22:25 < Pentode> oneko, start making fun of their queer white habits. ;)
22:25 < kamura> that can't be the only solution DLange
22:25 < DLange> should give you a crontab for the user
22:26 < revel> TheNik: You mean bitcoinshell?
22:26 < TheNik> Yes, actually
22:26 < TheNik> bitcoinshell.mooo.com
22:26 < kamura> the user doesn't exist on the host I'd need to it by uid which is a pain
22:26 < autopsy> Moo ooew.
22:26 < autopsy> Moo cow.
22:26 < autopsy> I got tuna fish.
22:27 < revel> `crontab -e` works for me there. I've also had stuff in it there.
22:27 < oneko> Pentode: That does sounds like a plan, Pentode :-P
22:27 < revel> Just @reboot stuff, but it worked.
22:29 < autopsy> What does IT HAVE TO DO WITH LINUX?
22:29 < autopsy> That is the question.
22:29 < TheNik> revel: In fact, I am working with another guy, and it's him who has issues. It works for me too. I'm not even sure what to do to troubleshoot that, though
22:29 < oneko> But I can die for linux  :D
22:29 < revel> Ask him what his editor is, I guess.
22:29 < DLange> apparently there is #bitcoinshells on this network, in case you use their service, ask their support
22:30 < revel> Dunno. Just editing it and then saving it with most editors in $VISUAL or $EDITOR or whatever should work.
22:30 < TheNik> It's nano
22:30 < revel> Yay :D
22:30 < TheNik> Which is the default one for me too, I have not changed things
22:30 < searedvandal> nano <3
22:31 < revel> Yeah, default for Gentoo.
22:31 < TheNik> DLange: Ooh, that's nice. I didn't know this service was well known. Thank you for pointing me at the channel!
22:32 < TheNik> Aww, the channel requires a keyword
22:33 < revel> Check the topic, it has it.
22:33 < searedvandal> super secret and hard keyword
22:33 < revel> :P
22:34 < TheNik> Oh, apologies. Thank you again!
22:37 < Psi-Jack> Ugh, @reboot is a serious no-no.
22:39 < revel> It wasn't for anything serious. Evidence of this: Hosted on a free shell.
22:39 < oneko> Bitcoinshells looks 5x better than something like blinkenshell.org
22:40 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Almost got me a functional debian/ buildpackage setup for something completely custom and source code from *drumroll* CVS.
22:45 < TheNik> The bitcoinshell security is somewhat interesting indeed. You get to play a pong game in order to register, and now this channel keyword...
22:45 < revel> At least you can't check `last` any more <_<
22:45 < jim> damn, you had to deal with cvs? sorry bount that
22:45 < revel> You can still check `w` though.
22:46 < autopsy> who will work.
22:46 < AppAraat> sshfs fun! Was connected via wifi to my NAS over sshfs (sshfs -o reconnect -o workaround=all -o allow_other NAS:/mnt/ ~/remoteNAS/), but forgot to unmount. Now switched to ethernet and I can't unmount the sshfs mount (Device or resource busy)... but... when I do ls in my home directory ls gets stuck.
22:46 < yuken> Just to confirm, Linux doesn't support multiple GPU drivers at once, right?
22:46 < bls> AppAraat: you'll need to reboot
22:46 < autopsy> AppAraat, do sudo strace ls
22:47 < AppAraat> autopsy: strace works fine and exits just fine it seems, but when I do ls without strace is when this crap happens :(
22:47 < AppAraat> bls: is it really this drastic? :(
22:48 < bls> AppAraat: yes
22:48 < oneko> TheNik: At a place like blinkenshell.org you need to get vouched by other users to get an account, interesting too
22:48 < TheNik> That's not how the internet works, though
22:49 < oneko> Uhh, yes, so, at blinkenshell.org you just need to be a bit techy and "good" while on bitcoinshells you need to be just techy
22:50 < TheNik> Techy as in able to install and use an SSH client?
22:50 < oneko> TheNik: There's a tech quiz which I guess a basic linux user should pass
22:51 < ReScO> i think matrix had some issues
22:51 < Raed> Maybe a few
22:51 < jim> if that's the case it's had them before
22:51 < TheNik> Woah, that. Is this how it's like to be in a 2000+ user channel?
22:52 < Raed> like 2 weeks ago I saw a netsplit bring the channel from 2400 to 200.
22:52 < jim> better than a 2000+ user bathroom :)
22:52 < Raed> jim: Lol, much better.
22:53 < oneko> lol
22:53 < TheNik> oneko: Which is probably out of the question, because my whole experience with Linux so far is from setting up two Raspberry Pis by following tutorials, and the usual amount of troubleshooting that is associated with following tutorials
22:53 < autopsy> wtf bathroom?
22:53 < jim> imagery ;)
22:53 < autopsy> Rasp Pis are cool.
22:53 < autopsy> Yeah jim.
22:53 < [R]> cold as ice
22:54 < autopsy> Are you willing to sacrifice our love?
22:54 < TheNik> Hehe
22:54 < jiggawattz> SHIT
22:54 < jim> they got a rasp pi controlling a matrix of beer bottles with leds in them... they've watched star wars on it :)
22:54 < AppAraat> autopsy: indeed they are. This is my lunchbox portable media player: https://i.imgur.com/MVMwiIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vk4TVWG.jpg
22:54 < autopsy> WAT?
22:54 < K350> I've, I think. got the locale sv_SE UTF-8. The last 3 chars in the Swedish alphabet is å ä and ö. I can see them  well in the terminal. Btu when running Finch (pidgin's text-based client) they're not there.l Anyone ?
22:55 < bls> K350: finch may not support anything but ASCII
22:56 < AppAraat> autopsy: hey, it fits in my backpack ok?
22:56 < autopsy> AppAraat, thats coolies.
22:56 < autopsy> Yeah you can take it with you.
22:56 < AppAraat> so technically it's portable
22:56 < autopsy> Have some tuna fish next to it.
22:56 < autopsy> Portability is key.
22:57 < AppAraat> no way man, you know how hot that thing gets? You can fry an egg
22:57 < jim> I dunno what they got as an OS on the pi, could be linux
22:57 < TheNik> Make sure you do not attempt filling this lunch box with food when you are packing for work in the dark. ;-)
22:57 < AppAraat> I have Raspbian with mpd running on it
22:58 < TheNik> AppAraat: AFAIK, Raspberry Pis throttle their CPU in order to minimize overheating issues
22:59 < AppAraat> that's all right, even if it was lower speed, I only need to let it process mp3 and flac files
22:59 < AppAraat> and sometimes wav files
23:00 < jim> they also built a video game console, pretty tall, 6 feet or more... has cameras that can be pointed at the players and streamed over the net... so you can see the game itself plus the players
23:01 < TheNik> Anyway, I think I received help on my problem from #bitcoinshells, apparently you just want to edit and save the file despite the warning. I will attempt it tomorrow, but for today, I need to leave. Thank you for the help and the nice talk, folks.
23:01 < TheNik> See you!
23:02 < autopsy> TheNik OK BYE!
23:02 < autopsy> Byes.
23:02 < jim> sounds like you engoyed your stay and got stuff dopne
23:03 < autopsy> Hi
23:03 < jim> s/g/j/ s/p//
23:03 < oneko> hi
23:03 < phinxy> I've tried two different mice with gpm but they both have the same error. reading first byte with read() errors: invalid argument..  I have the .c file, should I perhaps echo the arguments?
23:04 < oneko> That's how you tell a vim user, jim
23:04 < autopsy> phinxy, post your code to a pastebin.
23:04 < jim> or sed
23:04 < autopsy> phinxy, I'll look at it.
23:05 < phinxy> autopsy• gpm is a program.  I have the source from their repo
23:05 < autopsy> phinxy, yeah General Purpose Mouse.
23:05 < [R]> you're mom is a program
23:05 < autopsy> phinxy, starting gpm from root user shell doesn't work?
23:06 < autopsy> Hah.
23:06 < autopsy> Your Mom. [R].
23:06 < [R]> how is gpm still a thing?
23:06 < autopsy> Still a thing I used it from a console with no X.
23:06 < autopsy> Works without a hitch.
23:07 < autopsy> Lets you copy and paste from console to console.
23:07 < [R]> how do you pull a trailer then
23:07 < [R]> without the hitch?
23:07 < autopsy> [R] Nothing in life is easy.
23:08 < phinxy> http://termbin.com/s331 thats the error
23:08 < [R]> sure event1 is the mouse?
23:08 < [R]> actually
23:08 < [R]> isn't gpm ancient
23:08 < [R]> you sure its supposed to use the event interface?
23:09 < phinxy> Probably not
23:09 < autopsy> phinxy, use strace eg sudo strace gpm >>/tmp/strace.log
23:09  * jim feels FUD
23:10 < autopsy> gpm should work fine with event interface.
23:10 < [R]> should or does?
23:10 < phinxy> http://termbin.com/dx9f
23:10 < autopsy> Should.
23:11 < phinxy> sorry
23:11 < autopsy> *** err [daemon/getmoused*** info [daemon/startup.c(131)]: Started gpm successfully. Entered daemon mode.
23:11 < autopsy> phinxy, what is not working?
23:12 < phinxy> trying to get the strace output
23:12 < jim> we used GPM before we put up X
23:12 < autopsy> Yeah.
23:12 < autopsy> GPM is useful.
23:12 < [R]> i see a patch for event support in the source
23:12 < [R]> does your version have that applied?
23:13 < bls> it's useful in that boy I'm glad I brought my buggy whip kind of way
23:13 < jim> yep, it can coexist with X, so that when I switch to a text console from an X display, it works
23:13 < jim> buggy too slow?
23:13 < autopsy> phinxy, does your gpm have the event deamon code patch applied before you compiled it?
23:13 < autopsy> Worm buggy.
23:14 < jim> buggier than a stroller
23:14 < autopsy> Strollers ARE buggy aren't they?
23:15 < autopsy> I'm glad I'm not in a stroller.
23:16 < jim> you could be in a buggy stroller
23:16 < thatpythonguy> i am desperate for help with powerline for bash
23:16 < [R]> desperate/
23:16 < [R]> lol
23:16 < phinxy> There is a 'evdev' type for Linux Event Device.
23:17 < jim> what's powerline?
23:17 < thatpythonguy> it makes your prompt look really nice
23:17 < bls> eye candy for the terminal
23:17 < phinxy> What is a mouse doing if its not using the event system?
23:17 < phinxy> ie. what came before?
23:17 < autopsy> phinxy, yeah evdev
23:17 < [R]> phinxy: /dev/psaux
23:17 < autopsy> phinxy, try sudo modprobe evdev
23:17 < phogg> jim: "Powerline is a statusline plugin for vim, and provides statuslines and prompts for several other applications, including zsh, bash, tmux IPython, Awesome and Qtile."
23:17 < thatpythonguy> it works and everything, but it uses a different font than the rest of my terminal
23:17 < phogg> so... does something with vim's command mode prompt?
23:18 < thatpythonguy> and pywal won't theme it
23:18 < thatpythonguy> and bash's
23:18 < thatpythonguy> its a debian package or you can get it thru pip
23:18 < jim> I used that ipython for jupyter notebooks
23:18 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost ~]$ sudo modprobe evdev
23:18 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost ~]$
23:19 < autopsy> phinxy, it is a module in Fedora.
23:19 < phinxy> I never had success modprobin anything.  Is there a way to show loaded modules even if theyre not listen in lsmod, which are external modules only
23:19 < [R]> phinxy: read the config the kernel was built with
23:19 < thatpythonguy> bls, do you have powerline installed
23:19 < jim> autopsy, no news is good news... but you can also check with lsmod
23:19 < bls> thatpythonguy: no
23:20 < thatpythonguy> alright, dang
23:20 < jim> thatpythonguy, they might help you on #python?
23:20 < phinxy> I'm in a linux kernel source dir, how do I show the config?
23:20 < thatpythonguy> i will check, thanks jim
23:21 < jim> phinxy, less .config
23:21 < jim> phinxy. OR make xconfig, make menuconfig
23:22 < fragment3> Does anyone have any recommendations on books or websites as a general introduction to the linux kernel?
23:22 < [R]> fragment3: introduction to the kernel?
23:22 < autopsy> phinxy, jim it didn't load.
23:23 < jim> fragment3, there's a #kernelnewbies channel on irc.oftc.net
23:23 < jim> fragment3, they might have book recommendations
23:23 < phinxy> CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y
23:24 < phinxy> does that mean its always loaded?
23:24 < autopsy> phinxy, y means its compiled in.
23:24 < bls> yes
23:24 < autopsy> m would mean module.
23:24 < jim> yeah, that sounds like it's in the kernel itself
23:24 < fragment3> jim: Thanks, will try over there. Did try the website but I am getting bad gateway errors
23:24 < autopsy> n means not active.
23:27 < kazdax> hello
23:27 < kazdax> is the GHEL Gnome not more crispier looking than other Windiows managers
23:27 < kazdax> this is a tweaked RHEL Gnome right ?
23:27 < [R]> kazdax: what?
23:27 < kazdax> the windows manager on RHEL looks more polished
23:28 < [R]> its a tehme...
23:28 < kazdax> i run kde on debian it isnt aa polished as gnome on rhel
23:28 < [R]> kde and gnome are 2 completley differnet things...
23:28 < [R]> of coure the yaren't going to look the same
23:28 < kazdax> so the gnome on rhel isnt modified for the OS
23:29 < kazdax> ?
23:29 < jim> kazdax, that just means the rhel folks actually figured out how to change its looks
23:29 < [R]> red hat like everyone use patches the hell out of everything
23:29 < phinxy> http://termbin.com/mvh5 http://termbin.com/xb03 the first is "microsoft" type, the other "evdev" strace output
23:29 < [R]> but what you think is "polish" is just a theme
23:30 < jim> or it's from poland
23:32 < autopsy> phinxy, try: MAKEDEV gpmctl
23:32 < autopsy> phinxy, see ls -ld /dev/gpmctl
23:33 < phinxy> open() /dev/tty0 - that looks weird
23:34 < phinxy> openat()
23:35 < phinxy> Which package is MAKEDEV part of?
23:36 < phinxy> "dont know how to make device "gpmctl"
23:36 < autopsy> MAKE DEV is part of MAKEDEV package on Fedora.
23:39 < autopsy> phinxy, and none of the mice work with gpm running?
23:40 < Dan39> wooo more native video games :D
23:41 < autopsy> phinxy, well I can't get gpm to work either.
23:42 < autopsy> Dan39 are you 39 years old?
23:42 < Dan39> no
23:42 < autopsy> Oh ok.
23:42 < searedvandal> born in 39?
23:42 < Dan39> no
23:42 < autopsy> No was like NO WAY.
23:42 < searedvandal> dan1 through dan38 was taken?
23:42 < autopsy> Dan39 =Three Nine dawg.
23:43 < autopsy> phinxy, I would say make it with mknod but I don't know the major,minor numbers for it.
23:43 < HelloFriend> I have this setup ubuntu1 gateway, ubuntu2 external net, ubuntu3 internal net. how can i setup "Allow HTTP requests via a proxy from inside to outside, and responses from outside to inside"?
23:44 < autopsy> HelloFriend, you nee d to set up Squid.
23:44 < autopsy> HelloFriend, It is a proxy server.
23:44 < HelloFriend> autospy thanks i'll do that now
23:44 < autopsy> HelloFriend, it does ACLs too its pretty nifty.
23:46 < phinxy> autopsy• thats not the USB devices two ID's you mean?
23:46 < autopsy> HelloFriend, and use iptables to route some packets direct to other interfaces. Using iptables -i eth0 -o eth1 and backwards iptables -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
23:46 < phinxy> manufacturer and device id
23:46 < HelloFriend> autopsy just tryin to do my tutorial, they don't say squid until the next few questions, made me confused. so i guess it's this step " Run a squid proxy on port 8080 to handle requests from inside to outside " do i still have to config ufw for this or is it all handled in squid?
23:46 < autopsy> phinxy, major,minor numbers are for character special files.
23:47 < autopsy> HelloFriend, you should just set up squid. Then your proxy is at hostname:8080
23:48 < autopsy> phinxy, its USB? They should just work.
23:48 < HelloFriend> autopsy thanks i'll set that all up then first
23:48 < autopsy> HelloFriend, ok. If you need help just ask.
23:48 < autopsy> I've set up Squid before as a transparent proxy.
23:49 < phinxy> autopsy• It works in xorg and with python evdev module there is data coming
23:51 < autopsy> phinxy, do you have that C file you were talking about handy?
23:51 < phinxy> why would gpm use openat() with a relative option but path being absolute "/dev/tty0"?
23:51 < autopsy> It's read() fails.
23:53 < autopsy> phinxy, I can't help you any more without that file.
23:53 < phinxy> https://github.com/telmich/gpm/tree/master/src/daemon/getmousedata.c
23:53 < rocketmagnet> hi everyone, I've a stupid problem, i try to run photoscan and i get the error that he can't load libgmp.so.3 but the file is in the same dir as the executable ...
23:53 < autopsy> Ok.
23:54 < phre4k> hi guys, I want a video background, so I tried mpv --wid=0 video.mp4 --loop, but somehow I don't see it. I usually set the background with feh, but since that doesn't "lock" the root window, I doubt that's a problem.
23:54 < rocketmagnet> ldd photoscan also shows that he can't find libgmp.so.3 but it's in the same path as the executable
23:54 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, it needs to be in LD_LIBRARY_PATH=
23:55 < rocketmagnet> autopsy: i set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=./ and get the same error
23:56 < phre4k> ah, xprop'ed the background and it displays "window id # 0x360000d, …"
23:57 < autopsy> phinxy, if (read(fd, data, howmany)!=howmany) {
23:57 < rocketmagnet> autopsy: ?
23:58 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, try: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(pwd) photoscan
23:59 < rocketmagnet> autopsy: it worked !
23:59 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, ok good.
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