--- Log opened Sun Jun 10 00:00:20 2018
--- Day changed Sun Jun 10 2018
00:00 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, ./ isn't the same. You need a full path.
00:00 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, so keep libgmp.so.3 in the dir.
00:00 < Loshki> phinxy: laziness? From the openat man oage: "If pathname is absolute, then dirfd is ignored"
00:02 < autopsy> Use export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/your/path/to/library:
00:02 < autopsy> rocketmagnet, got that?
00:03 < Hoolootwo> I seem to be having problems with the kernel in one of my boxes
00:03 < ollieh> What software can I use to remotely connecto to an existing desktop session? As unlocking the screen would allow anyone near the computer to use it, is there one that bypasses the lock screen?
00:03 < Hoolootwo> well, my netboot system, which I run several different boxes off when it's convenient
00:03 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, oh what of?
00:04 < Hoolootwo> one box (an old pentium 3 laptop) gives a double fault kernel panic half way through boot
00:04 < autopsy> ollieh, VNC Viewer.
00:04 < noeatnosleep> I just met the Linux Journal people at Texas linux fest
00:04 < phinxy> autopsy• errno is "invalid argument".  The filepath with read() should point to the mouse file should it not?
00:04 < Hoolootwo> autopsy, gentoo
00:04 < noeatnosleep>  Neat
00:04 < autopsy> phinxy, yes.
00:04 < Hoolootwo> another box, a dell e6410, gives a "fatal exception during interrupt" panic
00:05 < Hoolootwo> when I virtualize, I don't seem to have it
00:05 < autopsy> phinxy, /dev/gpmctl I think.
00:05 < phinxy> oh yeah that is missing.
00:05 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, oh Gentoo panicks again?
00:05 < autopsy> phinxy, yeah it isn't there by udev.
00:05 < Hoolootwo> before I changed the kernel config slightly, the dell box would panic after a long non-deterministic time, maybe 10 hours after boot
00:06 < Hoolootwo> (and unrelatedly)
00:06 < autopsy> phinxy, google major minor device numbers for gpmctl
00:06 < Hoolootwo> trying a newer kernel right now
00:06 < autopsy> phinxy, then use mknod.
00:09 < Loshki> Hoolootwo: the same panic every time, or different every time?
00:11 < Hoolootwo> on the double fault box, it's same panic every time
00:11 < Hoolootwo> the other one, when it happened during boot it was always the same
00:11 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, you config'd your kernel to panic every ten hours?
00:12 < Hoolootwo> when it didn't I only breifly saw the kernel panic screen once before it rebooted
00:12 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, yeah they reboot on some panics.
00:12 < Hoolootwo> apparently, yes
00:13 < autopsy> You shoulda config'd superpowerz.
00:13 < Hoolootwo> well, sorry, it didn't reboot, it just shut off
00:13 < Hoolootwo> oops
00:13 < autopsy> Yeah halt .
00:13 < autopsy> halt poweroff reboot shutdown -h now.
00:15 < Hoolootwo> hmm, going to try a different kernel version
00:15 < Hoolootwo> maybe it's just a bug in this one
00:16 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, yeah compile another kernel you can't live with that bleeding edge stuff.
00:16 < Hoolootwo> right now it's on 4.12.8, which isn't so bleeding edge
00:16 < Hoolootwo> trying with bleeding edge, actually
00:17 < Hoolootwo> then I'll try with 4.9 which is marked stable
00:18 < Pentode> having a hard time catching kernel panics? try linux-crashdump.
00:19 < Hoolootwo> that looks very useful, I'll try that
00:20 < Hoolootwo> though possibly difficult with netbooting
00:20 < Pentode> look for a guide on google, it has quite a lot of features.
00:20 < Pentode> hmm maybe
00:22 < Pentode> you _can_ dump via the serial cable even if you need to. tho who has one of those these days?
00:22 < Hoolootwo> this computer does
00:22 < Hoolootwo> could hook my vt320 up to it ;)
00:23 < Pentode> get a null cable and.. welp yeah. wanna sell that?
00:23 < Pentode> ;)
00:23 < Hoolootwo> nope :)
00:23 < Pentode> had to ask. ;p
00:23 < Hoolootwo> this would be much easier if I could virtualize it
00:24 < autopsy> Its an old Pentium.
00:24 < Hoolootwo> but yeah, I'm probably going to use a null modem so I can properly capture it to a real system
00:24 < egonsen> firefox uses this for the "Open containing folder" command for downloads: https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/system/gnome/nsGIOService.cpp#637 - how does a file manager map itself to "org.freedesktop.FileManager1"?
00:24 < Hoolootwo> it's got an i5, no stinkin old pentium
00:24 < autopsy> Oh sorry.
00:25 < Hoolootwo> the /other/ computer that does it is a pentium 3, but that one's a pain to deal with and slow
00:26 < Pentode> i was going to buy a 320 off ebay but im just terrified of shipping fragile things after so many bad experiences..
00:26 < Pentode> now the prices are crazy, lol
00:26 < Hoolootwo> yeah, this was a dumpster find
00:26 < Pentode> and your shipper will swear he packs things great.. then it comes in a single box wrapped in news paper
00:26 < Hoolootwo> needed some corona dope
00:26 < Pentode> nice
00:27 < Pentode> yeah back in the day i used to trash pick terminals all day. wish i would have kept a few.
00:27 < Hoolootwo> and my friend (who did the doping) had an mmj cable he gave to me since his other terminals all have rs232 ports
00:27 < Hoolootwo> had to buy a keyboard for it
00:27 < Pentode> i even had a ibm 5120 when i was like 11-12
00:27 < Pentode> two actually, one worked.
00:28 < Hoolootwo> very nice
00:28 < Pentode> at least i have the memories.
00:28 < Pentode> i had to roll it home on a skateboard
00:28 < autopsy> Keep them doggies rollin.
00:29 < Hoolootwo> 4.16.13 didn't die immediately on the i5
00:29 < Hoolootwo> let's give the p3 a shot
00:29 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, you compiled a kernel that fast?
00:30 < Hoolootwo> yeah, it's minimal and I'm compiling with 12 cores
00:30 < Loshki> If you mess around with hobby electronics, there is plenty of ttl-rs232 around
00:30 < autopsy> Hoolootwo, how are you doing this without a 4 core proc?
00:30 < autopsy> Oh 12 cores.
00:30 < Hoolootwo> my boot/build server has dual hex cores
00:30 < autopsy> Ok set make -j 12
00:30 < autopsy> HEX CORES?
00:31 < autopsy> WHAT IS THAT?
00:31 < Hoolootwo> -j32 to account for hyperthreading and disk latency
00:31 < Hoolootwo> xeon e5645
00:31 < autopsy> Yeah -j32 to account for all the good things and the bad things that may be.
00:36 < Loshki> Pentode: I'd check out goodwill stores (used, recycled electronics). You may have to ask to 'look in the back' to find old monitors.
00:37 < Pentode> yeah i used to do that. sadly i havent had a car for some time. :|
00:37 < autopsy> No car use a backpack.
00:37 < Pentode> lol
00:37 < autopsy> Heh.
00:38 < Hoolootwo> they also don't like taking crts anymore
00:38 < Hoolootwo> I've taken an sgi o2 home in my backpack before
00:38 < Hoolootwo> lol
00:38 < OpenSorce>  Gotta share this because it actually works... It's an online tool to create and install a custom splash screen. https://plymouth-generator.geldfrei.net/
00:39 < Hoolootwo> well, 4.16.13 seems to work so far
00:39 < Hoolootwo> hopefully it was a bug in 4.12.8
00:39 < Pentode> you find all the good stuff
00:39 < jason85> What happens if some CA signs a tls certificate for e.g. paypal.com and uses that to perform a MitM on a victim? Is this possible?
00:40 < Hoolootwo> it helps to live in a university town
00:40 < Pentode> true
00:40 < aerozoic> Hey what changed recently that doesn't allow me to adjust the edge of my touchpad?
00:41 < autopsy> aerozoic, what changed check a changelog.
00:42 < aerozoic> lol, that was a bad question
00:43 < aerozoic> most google results say there should be a prop in xinput to adjust the edge but there isn't. So how do i change the edge now?
00:47 < Hoolootwo> oh, the old p3 just boots too
00:47 < Hoolootwo> so again here's hoping it was just a 4.12 problem
00:49 < Pentode> cool beans
00:49 < Pentode> sadly, no need for fancy serial debugging. :(
00:52 < gunix> any idea why powerline works really bad through ssh ?
00:53 < Pentode> symbols not being displayed properly?
00:53 < revel> gunix: Bad locale on the other end?
00:53 < Loshki> jason85: There are various problems: getting traffic to the mitm site undetected, 2-factor authentication, others I've forgotten. Probably a #networking question.
00:54 < revel> Or no support for your locale.
00:57 < autopsy> 9*
00:57 < adrian_1908> Is it possible to symlink from the local to the parent directory? I just noticed that `ln -s file.txt ../` or `ln -s file.txt ../file.txt` create broken links.
00:57 < Pentode> probably missing the symbols font on the ssh client machine.. but it's hard to help someone who doesn't talk. ;p
00:58 < autopsy> adrian_1908, broken links?
00:58 < adrian_1908> autopsy: as in, invalid. not sure how to call them
00:58 < autopsy> adrian_1908, ../ is previous directory thats why.
00:59 < autopsy> adrian_1908, /home/../ is /
00:59 < Loshki> Hoolootwo: depending on the site, the are obliged to take and recycle your electronics (sometimes charging you in the process). I don't think they plan to recycle monitors of that vintage, which is why I say to ask to 'look in the back'. Recycled electronics is big money here. The dumps have barbed wire and are *guarded*
00:59 < autopsy> Oh noes guarded dumps of elctrons.
01:01 < autopsy> I like Qterminals drop down terminal.
01:01 < adrian_1908> autopsy: not sure i understand. By "previous", do you mean something different than parent? I want to link to the parent dir, wouldn't my second example using `../file.txt` work at least?
01:01 < adrian_1908> I mean, I know it doesn't work, but is there a way.
01:02 < adrian_1908> `ln -s child_dir/file.txt .` works fine of course, i was just stumped that I couldn'd do the reverse from within the child dir.
01:03 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost Documents]$ ls ../ks.cfg
01:03 < autopsy> ls: cannot access '../ks.cfg': Too many levels of symbolic links
01:03 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost Documents]$
01:04 < autopsy> adrian_1908, maybe use a hardlink?
01:04 < Dagmar> Something is _very_ wrong there
01:04 < Loshki> adrian_1908: in the child, it would have to be "ln -s ./file.txt ..'
01:04 < Dagmar> A hard link isn't going to fix it
01:06 < autopsy> Maybe use a chain link then.
01:07 < adrian_1908> Loshki: that gives me a broken link too, have you tried it?
01:07 < Dagmar> I have no problems making a symbolic link in the current directory to something in the parent directory
01:09 < adrian_1908> and i wouldn't expect it to fail etiher. no idea what's wrong on my side. i don't have to create a link that way, just surprised by it.
01:09 < Dagmar> You guys are doing something screwey with WSL or Cygwin
01:09 < Loshki> adrian_1908: what do you mean by a 'broken link'. What does "ls -l" say about it?
01:10 < adrian_1908> Loshki: lrwxrwxrwx 1 adrian adrian 10 Jun 10 01:09 file.txt -> ./file.txt   (do I need to supply an absolute path maybe?)
01:10 < adrian_1908> looks self referential, doesn't it?
01:11 < Dagmar> Looks like you managed to make a symlink that points to itself just fine
01:11 < Loshki> adrian_1908: you typed the ".." at the end of the command, didn't you?
01:11 < adrian_1908> yup, as in your example
01:12 < autopsy> It's . current and .. parent.
01:12 < Loshki> cMy example is wrong :-)
01:12 < qman__> You need to use relative paths relative to where the symlink will be, not relative to where you are now
01:13 < autopsy> Another symlinker.
01:13 < autopsy> What about the linker ld?
01:14 < qman__> That's completely different
01:14 < adrian_1908> I see, so `ln -s child/file.txt ..` from within child.
01:15 < adrian_1908> I mistunderstood it then until now.
01:15 < qman__> Yes, the first argument is the literal symlink target path
01:15 < Dagmar> Just like it says on the man page
01:15 < adrian_1908> right, makes sense now. thanks!
01:15 < qman__> Second arg is optional location of the symlink on disk
01:16 < Loshki> adrian_1908: your first case "ln -s child_dir/file.txt ." in the parent dir says 'failed file.txt exists' on my machine
01:16 < Dagmar> No
01:16 < Dagmar> The second argument is _not_ the location of the symlink
01:16 < adrian_1908> Loshki: silent here
01:16 < Dagmar> It *IS* the symlink
01:16 < Dagmar> That's the thinking that's been getting you into trouble
01:17 < autopsy> You need to create symlinks like a normal person dude.
01:17 < autopsy> ln -s /bin /usr/bin
01:18 < adrian_1908> Dagmar: but since the filename can be omitted, one could say the second argument is being interpreted, rather than being the symlink, no?
01:19 < adrian_1908> autopsy: i'm aware of that as i said, just surprised that it didn't work the "other way around" as is expected.
01:19 < Loshki> Doesn't it fall under: "ln [OPTION]... TARGET... DIRECTORY (3rd form)" which says " In the 3rd and  4th forms, create links to each TARGET in DIRECTORY"
01:20 < Loshki> Man, it sounds like quoting bible
01:21 < Loshki> So shouldn't  "ln -s child_dir/file.txt ." create a link to child
01:21 < qman__> No
01:21 < acresearch> people, i am on xfce and suddenly the mouse if highlighting all terminal lines just when it hovers over them, how to stop that?
01:21 < Loshki> So shouldn't  "ln -s child_dir/file.txt ." create a link to child_dir in the current directory (.)
01:22 < phogg> Loshki: it will
01:22 < Loshki> qman__ doesn't seem  to think so...
01:22 < qman__> just omit the .
01:23 < qman__> And it will create one called fike.txt pointing there
01:23 < qman__> file.txt*
01:24 < Loshki> qman__: not the point. That is 2nd form. I'd like to know why 3rd form doesn't seem to work as advertized in my bash.
01:24 < qman__> You only need the second argument if you want the link to be called something other than the target filename in the current directory
01:25 < adrian_1908> Loshki: my misunderstanding was that I assumed the TARGET is interpreted relative to the DIRECTORY (destination), but one has to supply the relative path oneself.
01:26 < phogg> it's always relative to the current working directory
01:26 < qman__> By specifying . you are telling it to name the link . which it can't do because . exists
01:26 < Loshki> Yes, now I type it more carefully, case 3 works in both examples per the man oage
01:27 < phogg> qman__: I don't think that's an accurate way to describe it
01:27 < adrian_1908> phogg: relative to the target directory from the looks of it. Inside child/ cannot say `ln -s file.txt ../` because the link in parent will point to `./file.txt`, not `./child/file.txt` as I assumed.
01:27 < Loshki> qman__: that is 1sr form per the ln(1) man page, a different case
01:28 < phogg> adrian_1908: No, relative ti the *current* *working* *directory*. That command will put a symlink called file.txt in the parent dir of your cwd
01:28 < phogg> s/ti/to/
01:29 < phogg> adrian_1908: the link so created won't go anywhere useful, though
01:30 < adrian_1908> phogg: I was talking about the target, not the second argument / directory. The target part is where i got confused.
01:30 < phogg> adrian_1908: Ah, I see what you're saying. Yes, the first arg to ln is the path to link to. If relative it will be resolved relative to the dir the symlink is in,
01:32 < phogg> the ln *command* resolves the target (which is to say the final directory or file arg) relative to the cwd when ln is invoked, after that it's irrelevant.
01:32 < phogg> my confusion was "link target" vs. "ln command target" (aka the final file arg)
01:33 < adrian_1908> right
01:33 < adrian_1908> ok, thanks for the help folks. all cleared up now. good night! :)
01:33 < stvn> i are curious how the license works for intel's latest gpu drivers in the linux kernel
01:40 < autopsy> stvn Intel writes the drivers for Linux man.
01:40 < autopsy> So does RedHat.
01:40 < stvn> yeah any idea what 'license' they're under?
01:41 < stvn> more of a curiosity than anything else
01:41 < autopsy> stvn wouldn't they be GPL?
01:43 < stvn> i've read GPL/MIT from some dated articles
01:43 < phinxy> autopsy• about the gpm thing earlier: /dev/gpmctl is a socket with 777 root:root permissions. created by gpm and removed when it exists/
01:48 < markasoftware> is 4.17 released yet?
01:48 < autopsy> phinxy, oh gpmctl is a socket?
01:48 < acresearch> people, i am on xfce and suddenly the mouse if highlighting all terminal lines just when it hovers over them, how to stop that?
01:49 < autopsy> acresearch, replug in your mouse.
01:49 < markasoftware> stop holding down mouse 1
01:49 < leopard> markasoftware: kernel.org
01:49 < markasoftware> ok, i see it is
01:49 < triceratux> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.17-Released
01:49 < markasoftware> thanks
01:49 < markasoftware> oh mainline != stable?
01:49 < markasoftware> does stable mean lts?
01:50 < autopsy> Mainline is 4.16.12
01:50 < autopsy> Or .9
01:50 < markasoftware> kernel.org says mainline: 4.17, then stable: 4.16.14
01:50 < autopsy> Ok mainline != stable then.
01:50 < autopsy> kernel.org good resource.
01:51 < leopard> "longterm" is the "LTS" release
01:51 < leopard> mainline means stable as far as linus is concerned, but that's its not as well tested as the "stable" branch is
01:52 < leopard> but you should stick to your distros terminology
01:53 < leopard> also, apparently Linus might skip 4.18 and make the next release 5.0
01:53 < leopard> according to his last release email
01:53 < autopsy> leopard, an email from Linux Torvalds wow.
01:55 < leopard> https://lwn.net/Articles/756401/
01:59 < Pentode> i wonder if linus still uses monochrome terminals with white backgrounds. what a weird guy. ;p
02:06 < acresearch> autopsy: i am on a laptop using a trackpad
02:11 < autopsy> acresearch, oh silly me.
02:11 < autopsy> leopard, that email was quite interesting.
02:21 < autopsy> acresearch, Peter Hutterer writes about the behavior of trackpoint devices in great detail. "Trackpoints have built-in calibration procedures to find and set their own center-point. Without that you'll get the trackpoint eventually being ever so slightly off center over time, causing a mouse pointer that just wanders off the screen, possibly into the woods, without the obligatory red cape and basket full of whatever grandma eats when she's sick."
02:22 < cmj> speaking of which, time to reboot 4.17
02:33 < RustyJ> i want an super annoying distro..... i already have a freebsd workstation... whatcha think is an equally annoying linux distro? slackware?
02:33 < RustyJ> i don't need no package manager
02:33 < SilverMight> linux from scratch
02:33 < SilverMight> www.linuxfromscratch.org
02:34 < GunqqerFriithian> hannah montana linux
02:34 < cmj> what does that even mean?
02:34 < GunqqerFriithian> you haven't heard of hannah montana linux????
02:36 < useless-eater> RustyJ: Biebian is nice too,  Justin Bieber Linux
02:37 < RustyJ> lol @ canadian linux
02:37 < GunqqerFriithian> dual boot hannah montana and biebian
02:37 < RustyJ> is linux from scratch that serious?
02:37 < GunqqerFriithian> well, it's linux froms cratch
02:37 < GunqqerFriithian> scratch*
02:37 < useless-eater> GunqqerFriithian: or a triple boot with windows too,  lol
02:38 < GunqqerFriithian> ok we wanted annoying, not spyware
02:38 < RustyJ> triple boot.... free, windows 10, and linux from scratch
02:38 < SilverMight> windows me
02:38 < RustyJ> baahhahha if i can get some sort of bootmanager to work i'll impress myself
02:39 < GunqqerFriithian> windows me won't have much spyware, if any so
02:39 < SilverMight> linux from scratch has a very good book (free) along with it
02:39 < autopsy> RustyJ, use Grub2.
02:39 < SilverMight> to follow
02:39 < SilverMight> +1 for grub2, very simple
02:39 < gambl0re> how do you get system info like this? https://i.redd.it/4sft7ljb40311.png
02:40 < GunqqerFriithian> I think that's neofetch
02:40 < RustyJ> autopsy, FBSD bootloader... grub2 will be too easy
02:40 < GunqqerFriithian> yeah def neofetch, gambl0re
02:40 < SilverMight> screenfetch or neofetch
02:40 < SilverMight> actually that's neofetch, saw the colors at the bottom
02:40 < GunqqerFriithian> ^
02:41 < gambl0re> does it require a lot of system resources to operate? my laptop isnt high performance
02:41 < GunqqerFriithian> nope
02:42 < GunqqerFriithian> you run it once, it does it's thing, it's done
02:42 < SilverMight> neofetch?
02:42 < autopsy> I bet it runs on a Pentium i686
02:42 < SilverMight> i run it on a raspberry pi + my phone
02:42 < autopsy> RustyJ, why make it FBSD ??
02:42 < GunqqerFriithian> even if you enable all the things it will be easy
02:42 < GunqqerFriithian> may take a bit longer for IP stuff
03:02 < Holonium> Hello
03:02 < lnnb> HI
03:03 < Holonium> I am having a problem with elf compiling.
03:03 < lnnb> ut-oh
03:03 < nchambers> ruh-roh
03:03 < Holonium> The error is on this file. https://pastebin.com/Ba7af2De
03:03 < nchambers> oh
03:03 < nchambers> you mean assembly
03:03 < Holonium> Here is the command: https://pastebin.com/CrhyTvf5
03:03 < nchambers> ##asm
03:04 < Holonium> No, it is a linker issue. The file is linker.ld
03:04 < gambl0re> if i already have sublime text but i want to install an older build, do i need to uninstall and install version or can i just overwrite with an older version?
03:04 < nchambers> Holonium: i never claimed it wasn't
03:04 < lnnb> kernel.o eh?
03:04 < Holonium> Yep. successfully compiled. Working on an OS
03:05 < mawk> Holonium: add a few ; in there
03:05 < mawk> check out the linker file syntax also
03:05 < lnnb> looks like your linker.ld whatever that is has an error there
03:05 < mawk> also you need some : for the blocks
03:05 < mawk> look at examples
03:05 < Holonium> Line 5 is what it says.
03:06 < mawk> 6
03:06 < mawk> so it's the : lacking
03:06 < lnnb> it's line five if you count starting at 0 maybe? ;)
03:06 < GunqqerFriithian> ARRAYS START AT ZERO REEEE
03:06 < Holonium> That is an old link to the error.
03:06 < mawk> Holonium: syntax is .section : { /* ... */ }
03:07 < mawk> don't forget the :
03:07 < Holonium> https://pastebin.com/GP6C7h62
03:07 < slondr> Arrays should start at 1 and end at ZZZ.
03:07 < mawk> https://sourceware.org/binutils/docs/ld/Scripts.html
03:07 < GunqqerFriithian> boy dem be fitin word
03:08 < lnnb> hey don't joke about fitin words, in texas thats a real thing
03:08 < GunqqerFriithian> dis no joke bruh
03:08 < GunqqerFriithian> arrays start at zero!
03:09 < mawk> Holonium: specifically .text BLOCK(4096) : { /*...*/ }
03:09 < GunqqerFriithian> Tabs not spaces (exccept for alightment)
03:09 < mawk> and so on
03:09 < mawk> calm down GunqqerFriithian
03:09 < GunqqerFriithian> I USE ARCH
03:09 < mawk> stop talking
03:09 < Holonium> I have been using tabs.
03:09 < Disconsented> I USE SPACES INSTEAD OF TABS
03:09 < GunqqerFriithian> install gentoo
03:10 < Holonium> Same error as before with the :
03:10 < mawk> you need ; after the . = stuff statements Holonium also
03:11 < acresearch> people, i am on xfce and suddenly the mouse if highlighting all terminal lines just when it hovers over them, how to stop that?
03:11 < lnnb> Disconsented: that's ok, GG=G
03:11 < gambl0re> how do i downgrade my sublime text?
03:11 < GunqqerFriithian> Heretic.
03:11 < Holonium> so I put them after the .=ALIGN blocks
03:11 < mawk> yes
03:12 < Disconsented> nano > emacs = vim
03:12 < mawk> also the :
03:12 < Holonium> Error is now on line 4
03:12 < mawk> for output sections
03:12 < mawk> show your linker script again
03:12 < Disconsented> gambl0re> Depends on the package manager you use, you should seek support in your distros community
03:12 < lnnb> err uhh i mean gg=G
03:12 < mawk> on a decent pastebin like https://paste.linux.community
03:12  * lnnb fails
03:13 < Holonium> https://pastebin.com/h7rJ8A2n
03:13 < GunqqerFriithian> Disconsented: depends what you're doing. If you just need a CLI text editor nano is fine, but if you're coding on a CLI vim or emacs should be used. Or an IDE
03:13 < GunqqerFriithian> btw my opinion is worthless as I pull everyone out of places where the sun only sometimes shines
03:13 < Disconsented> GunqqerFriithian> you're meant to get grumpy at that!
03:13 < mawk> with a space before : maybe Holonium
03:14 < GunqqerFriithian> I use nano myself all the time as I don't code outside of an IDE
03:14 < GunqqerFriithian> although if you want me to go back into GunqqerTheMemer I can
03:14 < mawk> but it's not an issue
03:15 < Holonium> line 4 error still
03:15 < gambl0re> Disconsented, they're not helping. everyone is sleeping
03:15 < GunqqerFriithian> What's sleep?
03:15 < GunqqerFriithian> Isn't that the thing that's only for the dad
03:15 < GunqqerFriithian> dead*
03:15 < autopsy> The dead don't sleep either.
03:16 < lnnb> sleep is deads cousin, accoring to nastrodamus
03:16 < autopsy> They wallow.
03:16 < GunqqerFriithian> Then no one sleeps
03:16 < autopsy> Nobody cares about sleep.
03:16 < Disconsented> You have to be patient then gambl0re
03:16 < gambl0re> Disconsented, maybe you can help me
03:16 < Disconsented> Maybe but I am doing other things
03:17 < autopsy> Disconsented, what are other things?
03:17 < Disconsented> Dealing with some drama in my D&D group
03:17 < Disconsented> Probably gona have a shower then go get food
03:18 < mawk> ok Holonium
03:18 < mawk> you should put spaces around =
03:18 < mawk> just nice spaces everywhere
03:18 < mawk> and it will work
03:18 < mawk> Holonium: https://paste.serveur.io/36tTCz1b
03:19 < Holonium> New error set...
03:19 < mawk> unrelated to the ld script
03:19 < mawk> now the syntax is correct
03:19 < Holonium> https://pastebin.com/B4AmBv2z
03:19 < GunqqerFriithian> what software do you guys suggest to clone a mounted and active bootable image to another drive?
03:19 < Holonium> https://pastebin.com/i8j35XNp
03:19 < Holonium> https://pastebin.com/3tG2LNgC
03:19 < mawk> look at the command Holonium
03:19 < mawk> you just type it twice
03:19 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, use dd to clone the drive.
03:19 < mawk> it can't work
03:20 < GunqqerFriithian> autopsy: will that work for a drive that is mounted, and currently booted to?
03:20 < Holonium> 1st is error, 2nd is the ASM and 3 is C
03:20 < mawk> look at the gcc command
03:20 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, yes dd will work. Do you need full syntax?
03:20 < mawk> you type it twice
03:21 < GunqqerFriithian> something like `sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdX`
03:21 < GunqqerFriithian> oh don't I want to set bs
03:21 < GunqqerFriithian> 1M?
03:21 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=2048
03:21 < Holonium> Thanks. It worked
03:21 < GunqqerFriithian> you suggest 2MiB?
03:22 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, no you can make it 1024000
03:22 < GunqqerFriithian> how much does it matter?
03:22 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, not sure but it needs to fill memory buffers with data before it writes to disk. So it matters somewhat.
03:23 < GunqqerFriithian> Ill do some reserach on that, see what's good
03:23 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, do it now and set it up.
03:23 < autopsy> Do that.
03:23 < GunqqerFriithian> Actually I need to let some downloads finish :P
03:23 < autopsy> dd is the best tool.
03:23 < GunqqerFriithian> Whelp
03:23 < autopsy> Oh noes downloads.
03:23 < GunqqerFriithian> Yeah
03:24 < autopsy> This fire detector keeps beeping.
03:24 < GunqqerFriithian> sadly I'm using a laptop so it's not gunna be fun changing drives
03:24 < GunqqerFriithian> fire detector? or CO?
03:24 < autopsy> Smoke detector.
03:25 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, how you gonna change the drive to have two?
03:25 < GunqqerFriithian> Imma replace my old HDD with my SSSD
03:25 < GunqqerFriithian> SSD*
03:25 < autopsy> Laptop can only supoport one drive I thought.
03:25 < GunqqerFriithian> if I wanted I prob could take out my optical drive and shove a storage drive in
03:26 < GunqqerFriithian> but idc enough
03:26 < nevodka> I replaced my optical drive
03:26 < nevodka> with an ssd
03:26 < nevodka> good shit
03:26 < GunqqerFriithian> what the best way to secure wipe an SSD?
03:26 < autopsy> Optical drives are a must have for making LiveDVDs.
03:26 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, use command shred
03:26 < slondr> GunqqerFriithian: dd
03:26 < GunqqerFriithian> >not Live USB
03:26 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, or dd again.
03:27 < GunqqerFriithian> that's ok to do with SSD, yes?
03:27 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, its ok to do with dd yes.
03:27 < GunqqerFriithian> gah if only I had /dev/qrandom/ working
03:27 < autopsy> shred mangkles the files bad.
03:27 < slondr> no reason to use xrandom over null
03:27 < slondr> zero*
03:28 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, /dev/urandom
03:28 < GunqqerFriithian> I know I know but qrandom :P
03:28 < autopsy> slondr, oh there you are again. Hi.
03:28 < slondr> what's good lol
03:28 < GunqqerFriithian> the problem is that qrandom has a discontinued dependency
03:28 < autopsy> Nothing but this pork soda.
03:28 < mad_hatter> How many physical servers do you need to set up a highly availability mysql database with docker?
03:28 < autopsy> I didn't even know qrandom existed.
03:29 < slondr> >docker
03:29 < slondr> nice meme
03:29 < autopsy> mad_hatter 10.
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> it uses a quantom num generator and gets live new bits from the generator
03:29 < autopsy> Quantum generator?
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> yup
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> the most random of generators
03:29 < lnnb> LAZERs ?
03:29 < autopsy> Wow you can't spell.
03:29 < GunqqerFriithian> nope
03:29 < autopsy> Infra Red holmes.
03:31 < GunqqerFriithian> link: https://github.com/lmacken/quantumrandom
03:31 < GunqqerFriithian> if anyone can get it working I will love you
03:31 < GunqqerFriithian> issue #18 is what needs to be resolved
03:35 < nekoseam> *sigh* some illiterate on /r/linux downvoted my comment into oblivion for saying I'm not touching devuan until they offer a runit or s6 iso. i'm honestly sick of this "every init that isn't systemd is fantastic!" mentality
03:36 < notmike> Is this a test?
03:36 < GunqqerFriithian> what we watching adam savage now?
03:36 < Enumeration> adam savage?!@?!?!
03:36 < notmike> Ben Savage, actually
03:36 < Enumeration> that is almost as good as stallman the movie!
03:37 < GunqqerFriithian> I was referencing tested, the youtube channel who regularly has adam on it
03:37 < slondr> tbh the only good init systems are systemd and GNU Shepherd
03:37 < GunqqerFriithian> >init systems in $CurrentYear
03:37 < slondr> yeah
03:37 < slondr> me too
03:37 < notmike> Honestly, I thought you bros were talking about Bill Gluckman for a sec
03:38 < GunqqerFriithian> I make stuff up as I go
03:38 < Enumeration> nah
03:38 < Enumeration> launchctl all the way
03:38 < GunqqerFriithian> as long as I sound like I know what Im talking about people belive me
03:38 < Enumeration> its the only real init
03:38 < GunqqerFriithian> unless it's me denying I'm hacking due to my use of CLIs
03:38 < slondr> ^
03:38 < Enumeration> launchctl >>>>>>>
03:39 < GunqqerFriithian> honestly the people at my highschool haven't seen a CLI in their life except in the matrix
03:40 < slondr> This is why you go to college
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> soon, soon
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> oh god the reality of that just hit me
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> in about 6-8 months I will have decided on the college I will go to
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> in like, almost exactly 1 year I will have graduated from HS
03:40 < GunqqerFriithian> jesus
03:41 < GunqqerFriithian> Imma just have an exostential crisis in this corner over here
03:41 < Enumeration> devry is the best college
03:41 < slondr> In a little less than a year I'll be done with half my college education
03:41 < slondr> feels pretty bood
03:41 < GunqqerFriithian> what's the avg seq write speed of an HDD?
03:42 < Enumeration> ive been in a community college for 9 years
03:42 < slondr> 2 or 3
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> MB?
03:42 < slondr> nah just 3
03:42 < GunqqerFriithian> I can't wait to get this SSD up
03:43 < GunqqerFriithian> 35.3MB/s tested seq write speed
03:43 < Enumeration> is that bad? that i took 9 years to finish coummunity college?
03:43 < GunqqerFriithian> don't ask me im in HS :P
03:43 < syb0rg> depends what you mean by "took five years"
03:43 < syb0rg> *nine
03:43 < notmike> No idea i'm only 21/f/fl
03:43 < syb0rg> lol
03:44 < Enumeration> 1 class a semster and sometimes fail
03:44 < Enumeration> its been 9 years
03:44 < notmike> Did you work a job and now have a healthy nest egg?
03:44 < Enumeration> no
03:44 < Enumeration> placed league of legends though
03:44 < syb0rg> well it isn't ideal =P
03:44 < slondr> I tried marrying my dead twin's wife but she said she's not into that kind of thing.
03:44 < slondr> OH SHIT WRONG CHAT
03:44 < slondr> whoops
03:44 < GunqqerFriithian> LOL
03:44 < GunqqerFriithian> LOLLLL
03:45  * slondr shrugs
03:45 < Siva_Machina> What did I tab back into
03:45 < syb0rg> hmm.
03:45 < GunqqerFriithian> That's going in the montoge
03:45 < Enumeration> should i finish community college or put the money into a htc vive?
03:45 < slondr> vive
03:45 < GunqqerFriithian> college
03:45 < Siva_Machina> College
03:46 < Enumeration> ya i agree sword art online is still too far
03:46 < Siva_Machina> Long term is better then short term
03:46 < Siva_Machina> There will probably be better vr later
03:47 < slondr> Virtual Boy is the best VR
03:47 < GunqqerFriithian> eh, vr
03:47 < syb0rg> definitely, unless WWIII
03:47 < GunqqerFriithian> if WWIII happens my family will be forced to move to digital film!
03:47 < GunqqerFriithian> and underground
03:48 < Siva_Machina> In a vault maybe
03:48 < Enumeration> i hope ww3 happens so i dont have to worry about finishing college
03:48 < GunqqerFriithian> lol
03:48 < Enumeration> o wait nvm
03:48 < Siva_Machina> Valt Tech calling? I hope not
03:48 < Enumeration> my dream would be not possible then
03:48 < GunqqerFriithian> depends what vault I get into
03:48 < Enumeration> actually no ww3
03:49 < syb0rg> WWIII could help you finish college
03:49 < syb0rg> you would get drafted and then have the GI bill if you live
03:49 < GunqqerFriithian> but yeah ww3 would be hell on analog film
03:49 < syb0rg> plus you probably wouldn't fail anymore classes
03:49 < Enumeration> yea im dumb
03:49 < syb0rg> nah you're lazy
03:49 < Enumeration> i took diffential equation 2 times
03:50 < autopsy> College is all numbers.
03:50 < Enumeration> second time i got a b so whatever
03:50 < autopsy> A B is good.
03:50 < slondr> B is ok
03:50 < demonxian3> good
03:50 < GunqqerFriithian> quick what's the volume of f(x)=1/x if it is rotated around the x axis from 1 to inf!
03:50 < Enumeration> idk use the disk and washer method
03:50 < GunqqerFriithian> >1 to inf
03:50 < slondr> at my college if you get anything less than a B+ average at the end of every year then you lose all your scholarships/grants
03:50 < slondr> so a B is ok
03:51 < demonxian3> wow
03:51 < GunqqerFriithian> have fun doing an indef intergral with disk and washer
03:51 < autopsy> You have to get an F here to lose grant money.
03:51 < syb0rg> series 1/x diverges right, so infinite volume I would guess?
03:51 < Enumeration> lol im suprised u know what that is gunqqer
03:52 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, you smart aleck.
03:52 < Enumeration> a highschooler doing calc 2 nice
03:52 < Enumeration> lol
03:52 < GunqqerFriithian> not inf, the volume is pi
03:52 < syb0rg> hmm cool
03:52 < Enumeration> hes prlly in calc bc
03:52 < GunqqerFriithian> surf area is inf
03:52 < Enumeration> or ab
03:52 < Enumeration> idk
03:52 < Enumeration> my bff jill does
03:52 < GunqqerFriithian> nah just finish ap ab and we did a tiny bit of bc while we had timne
03:53 < GunqqerFriithian> APs were a while ago so we learned about BC topics with the weeks we have left
03:53 < Enumeration> so u were in the bobo calc
03:53 < Enumeration> my bff jill was really smart
03:53 < Enumeration> she was in the bc
03:53 < GunqqerFriithian> bobo?
03:53 < Enumeration> remedial ap calc
03:53 < GunqqerFriithian> wait wut
03:53 < GunqqerFriithian> remedial... ap?
03:54 < Enumeration> yea its called calc ab
03:54 < GunqqerFriithian> huh
03:54 < GunqqerFriithian> interesting
03:54 < slondr> every HS does it differently
03:54 < GunqqerFriithian> yeah
03:54 < slondr> in my hs AB was for juniors and BC was for seniors
03:54 < Enumeration> well in comparison to bc
03:54 < Enumeration> in my hs seniors took calc 3 honors
03:55 < Enumeration> but those were ppl that never got laid
03:55 < Enumeration> but that was yeaers agooo
03:55 < GunqqerFriithian> my ap ab calc class is the first one with the majority juniors in it
03:55 < slondr> lmao my valedictorian was in AP calc BC but I was in babby calc bc I didn't feel like working too much
03:55 < slondr> although I took & passed AP Lit and he failed it soooooooo
03:55 < Enumeration> bruh u gotta use the lapace transform
03:56 < Enumeration> do u event lift
03:56 < GunqqerFriithian> nope
03:56  * Siva_Machina has nevered taken calc
03:56 < syb0rg> wait your valedictorian failed a class?
03:56 < GunqqerFriithian> dy/dx(e^x)=e^x
03:56 < Enumeration> actually lol
03:56 < slondr> oh no he passed the class (everyone did)
03:56 < Enumeration> wtf
03:56 < slondr> but he failed the AP exam
03:56 < GunqqerFriithian> F
03:56 < syb0rg> oh gotcha
03:56 < slondr> AP Lit is one of the most difficult APs there is
03:56 < syb0rg> sounds obnoxious
03:56 < GunqqerFriithian> Nah but the AP test memes are lit AF
03:57 < slondr> yu
03:57 < Enumeration> well was he asian
03:57 < slondr> indeed
03:57 < Enumeration> cuz they dont count
03:57 < syb0rg> lol
03:57 < slondr> wait no
03:57 < slondr> not to that
03:57 < syb0rg> too late
03:57 < slondr> he was white. my school was 99% white
03:57 < GunqqerFriithian> I'm asian *shrug*
03:57 < CarlenWhite> I felt the utter shame of having 3 months to fix something while it was recoverable.
03:57 < Enumeration> yea that white guy would not stand a chance to an asian
03:57 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, you asian.
03:57 < slondr> we had two black people but they transfered by graduation
03:57 < GunqqerFriithian> eurasian technically
03:57 < Enumeration> the asian would anally rape everyone in every class
03:57 < slondr> don't think we had any asians in my hs at all
03:57 < Enumeration> thats why
03:58 < wizzi> how can i hide bottom bar from CentOS 7 ?
03:58 < Enumeration> rm -rf /
03:58 < syb0rg> again: hmm.
03:58 < Enumeration> sudo rm -rf / *.8
03:58 < GunqqerFriithian> (warning: desctructive commands)
03:58 < autopsy> Enumeration, that doesn't work on my system.
03:58 < CarlenWhite> This is a colorful conversation.
03:58 < demonxian3> sudo chmod 000 /
03:58 < GunqqerFriithian> `sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root/`
03:58 < syb0rg> to say the least CarlenWhite
03:58 < Enumeration> loolol
03:58 < slondr> dd if=/dev/uranom of=/dev/sda1
03:58 < slondr> s/ranom/random/g
03:59 < GunqqerFriithian> sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
03:59 < autopsy> slondr you do use urandom sometimes. I see.
03:59 < Enumeration> no but srlsy if ur on centos try pacman -R centos
03:59 < syb0rg> GunqqerFriithian, run that and report back
03:59 < wizzi> how can i hide bottom bar from CentOS 7 ?
03:59 < slondr> sudd dd dd=/dd/dd dd=dd/dd1
03:59 < Enumeration> pacman -R centos
03:59 < slondr> pacman -S gentoo
03:59 < CarlenWhite> Welcome to ##Linux, `sudo rm -rf --no-preserve-root /` or no balls.
03:59 < Enumeration> ^
03:59 < Siva_Machina> Can you actually help
03:59 < autopsy> slondr uh oh problems bro?
03:59 < slondr> nah
03:59 < Enumeration> you compile after 2 months and then a new update
03:59 < Enumeration> time to recompile
04:00 < GunqqerFriithian> RandomNum=$(ps -A -o pid | shuf -n 1 )
04:00 < GunqqerFriithian> if ((RandomNum)); then shutdown -h now; else kill -9 $RandomNum; fi
04:00 < syb0rg> no one particularly helpful is chatting right now. I would, but I have never used CentOS
04:00 < slondr> protip: `pacman -Ql gentoo`
04:00 < Enumeration> well honestly if u want a serious answer
04:00 < nekoseam> what's so good about centos?
04:00 < Enumeration> are u using gnome
04:00 < nekoseam> slondr: gentoo...blegh
04:00 < autopsy> CentOS 7.
04:00 < Enumeration> like u said bottom bar
04:00 < Enumeration> but centos doenst tell me anything
04:00 < nekoseam> I'd rather be dead than have my package manager written in python
04:00 < GunqqerFriithian> if there a centos channel? If so you may have a bit better luck there than here as most of us are meming/have no idea :P
04:01 < autopsy> CentOS 7 is a distro.
04:01 < GunqqerFriithian> is*
04:01 < Enumeration> ....
04:01 < Enumeration> i give up
04:01 < slondr> is*
04:01 < Siva_Machina> Gnome 3 doesn't have a botttom bar
04:01 < Enumeration> it could
04:01 < GunqqerFriithian> ew bottom bars
04:01 < GunqqerFriithian> ew gnome
04:01 < slondr> ew bottom
04:01 < nekoseam> ew everything
04:01 < Enumeration> okay here
04:01 < slondr> ew ew
04:01 < autopsy> Bottom bar with plugin.
04:01 < Enumeration> this is how u fix it
04:01 < slondr> emacs -f eww
04:01 < Enumeration> yum remove gnome
04:01 < nekoseam> ew everything that isn't slackware + fvwm
04:01 < slondr> ^
04:01 < Enumeration> problem solved
04:01 < autopsy> SLiM and FVWM2
04:01 < Enumeration> if that doesnt work
04:02 < Enumeration> dnf remove gnome
04:02 < GunqqerFriithian> I use kde plasma with a top menu bar and nothing else
04:02 < Enumeration> no botom bar
04:02 < slondr> anything that isn't CloverOS + StumpWM is actually vomit-worthy
04:02 < nekoseam> FVWM is the oldest surviving window manager
04:02 < Enumeration> i use temple os
04:02 < Siva_Machina> Eww anything that isn't LFS
04:02 < Enumeration> only good os
04:02 < Enumeration> temple os is the besttt
04:02 < GunqqerFriithian> anything that isn't hannah montana linux is bad
04:02 < slondr> ^
04:02 < autopsy> Or rpm -e --nodeps $(rpm -qa '*gnome*')
04:03 < nekoseam> can someone remind me why rpm needs a frontend like dnf?
04:03 < Enumeration> wtf
04:03 < autopsy> dnf resolves package dependencies for RPM.
04:03 < nekoseam> Doesn't RPM have dependency resolution?
04:03 < Enumeration> bruh use pacman so much better
04:03 < nekoseam> Enumeration: lol
04:03 < nekoseam> good joke
04:03 < slondr> nekoseam: the correct answer is because RHL is so fscking old
04:03 < GunqqerFriithian> I manually install all packages
04:04 < autopsy> No RPM only has the ability to fail on missing deps.
04:04 < slondr> ^
04:04 < nekoseam> hm
04:04 < slondr> it's like pkg vs pkg_add on BSD
04:04 < Enumeration> if pacman doesnt work do yaourt
04:04 < slondr> yaourt is trash
04:04 < slondr> use pacaur
04:04 < Enumeration> if that doesnt work do yaourt -S pacaur
04:04 < GunqqerFriithian> FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
04:04 < nekoseam> openbsd is the ideal OS
04:04 < slondr> DragonFly PC-GOODMEMEBSD is the only real os
04:04 < Enumeration> no high sierra is teh best linux os
04:04 < GunqqerFriithian> it's *nix so it's better than windows
04:05 < slondr> The best *linux* operating system is HP UX.
04:05 < nekoseam> UNIX itself is garbage though
04:05 < Enumeration> yea go play some games on ur nix
04:05 < autopsy> It's Linux man can I continue?
04:05 < Enumeration> pc master race
04:05 < slondr> The best UNIX system is clearly Bash On Ubuntu On Windows.
04:05 < Enumeration> windows ftw
04:05 < nekoseam> jesus christ
04:05 < Enumeration> no i use bash on windows
04:05 < GunqqerFriithian> ew
04:05 < autopsy> Yeah Jesus.
04:05 < Enumeration> u get the best
04:05 < Enumeration> of all worlds
04:05 < GunqqerFriithian> all the spyware!
04:05 < autopsy> Spyware is old.
04:05 < nekoseam> Enumeration: you're joking right?
04:05 < Enumeration> linux is only good for porn
04:06 < Enumeration> its shit
04:06 < slondr> WinRAR is my favorite linux distro
04:06 < GunqqerFriithian> I thought that was ping, Enumeration
04:06 < slondr> shame it's proprietary though
04:06 < GunqqerFriithian> bing*
04:06 < autopsy> Yeah its proprietary.
04:06 < slondr> linux is only good for installing firefox quickly
04:06 < Enumeration> so is my virginity
04:06 < Enumeration> its proprietary*
04:06 < slondr> the reason linux is better than windows is because windows installs firefox slowly
04:06 < autopsy> slondr what about seamonkey?
04:06 < slondr> macos installs firefox at an average pace so it's average
04:06 < Enumeration> no it doenst
04:07 < slondr> autopsy, delete that
04:07 < Enumeration> dude.
04:07 < autopsy> Ok. Go tcha.
04:07 < Enumeration> use edge
04:07 < Enumeration> who uses firefox
04:07 < Enumeration> shit browser
04:07 < slondr> Firefox or GNU IceCat are the only real web browsers
04:07 < Enumeration> edge is the best
04:07 < autopsy> Edge is nice.
04:07 < notmike> https://youtu.be/KEkrWRHCDQU
04:07 < xormor> I use Firefox!
04:07 < slondr> the only other browsers are derivs of those
04:07 < GunqqerFriithian> Honestly I'm fine with OS X, especially comp- Enumeration dem be fitin words
04:07 < xormor> Who uses Microsoft software nowadays?
04:07 < Enumeration> I DO
04:07 < notmike> Yw
04:07 < GunqqerFriithian> heretic
04:07 < Enumeration> windows media player for movie
04:07 < xormor> I am a Debian GNU/Linux man.
04:07 < autopsy> Who uses Microsoft Windows 10???
04:07 < Enumeration> EW DEBIAN
04:08 < slondr> >not using MPCHC or MPV for movies
04:08 < Enumeration> fk debian
04:08 < Enumeration> shit
04:08 < slondr> literally what is this channel
04:08 < xormor> Enumeration, this is a Linux channel ;-D
04:08 < GunqqerFriithian> ##Linux
04:08 < xormor> Enumeration, You are trolling :-)
04:08 < slondr> nah
04:08 < Enumeration> no debian is garbage
04:08 < Enumeration> i hate it
04:08 < MrGrz> who am i?
04:08 < Enumeration> i shall never use it
04:08 < autopsy> Enumeration, you forgot this is ##linux.
04:08 < xormor> Enumeration, Debian is OK.
04:08 < slondr> debian is literally for weebians
04:08 < notmike> Hackerman!
04:08 < GunqqerFriithian> ./whois MrGrz
04:08 < Enumeration> NO
04:08 < Siva_Machina> The closest I will come to using Windows again is XP on this old tower. For older programs
04:08 < Enumeration> pacman or gtfo
04:08 < Siva_Machina> The give me an issue in Wine
04:09 < GunqqerFriithian> closest Ill get to windows is windows XP pro for the POS I use at work
04:09 < autopsy> Wine is not an Emulator!
04:09 < GunqqerFriithian> But what does wine stand for!
04:09 < m1n> emacs is the best os
04:09 < Enumeration> then what is it autopsy
04:09 < slondr> you can install pacman on windows
04:09 < Enumeration> no not the game
04:09 < Siva_Machina> m1n: It needs a good text editor though
04:09 < autopsy> vi is the best OS.
04:09 < Enumeration> well i watch porn on vi
04:09 < notmike> Where did hackerman go!?
04:09 < GunqqerFriithian> I exclusivly use top as an os
04:09 < xormor> Enumeration, packet manager.
04:10 < autopsy> LOLZ
04:10 < GunqqerFriithian> well of can open any file with a text editor, so you could do that Enumeration
04:10 < MrGrz> lmao
04:10 < xormor> the operating system is the kernel - there is the user interface that used with applications and system utilities, system tools and other tools.
04:10 < Siva_Machina> xormor: package manager
04:10 < Enumeration> errr
04:10 < GunqqerFriithian> >UI
04:10 < GunqqerFriithian> >$CurrentYear
04:10 < GunqqerFriithian> lol
04:10 < Enumeration> ugh i have to compile ipset for ddwrt
04:10 < xormor> I do not think vi contains the kernel, it may contain a user interface with an interface to tools.
04:10 < Enumeration> why cant they just add it
04:11 < slondr> >he doesn't use emacs as his kernel and linux as his userspace
04:11 < slondr> what a meme
04:11 < autopsy> Add it to ddwrt would make it too huge.
04:11 < Enumeration> its 1 module
04:11 < autopsy> Oh. 209000 bytes?
04:11 < Enumeration> no i mean xt_ipset
04:11 < autopsy> only workin with 8MB of RAM on those appliances.
04:12 < GunqqerFriithian> 8MB? jesus
04:12 < Enumeration> is fq added in ddwrt?
04:12 < GunqqerFriithian> why so low
04:12 < Enumeration> or is it jsut fq_codel
04:12 < autopsy> xt_ipset what is it for?
04:12 < GunqqerFriithian> my ras pi has more than that
04:12 < autopsy> Old low memory requirements.
04:12 < GunqqerFriithian> this sounds circa 2000
04:12 < autopsy> WRT54G had 8MB of RAM.
04:13 < GunqqerFriithian> idk im just guessing
04:13 < autopsy> HYeah 2000
04:13 < Enumeration> well ddwrt is still better than using netgear
04:13 < GunqqerFriithian> HAH IM SMART
04:13 < autopsy> Busybox ddwrt
04:13 < Enumeration> stock
04:13 < xormor> We had 8MB of RAM in our i486, that was from 1992. I think it had 4MB first, and we added +4MB. My and my father's project.
04:13 < Enumeration> no asuswrt for my netgear :9
04:13 < autopsy> Asuswrt?
04:13 < GunqqerFriithian> how fast was ram back then
04:13 < xormor> I programmed with it, used system tools and played games with it. I also wrote text with it. It was a lot better than an Amiga 500.
04:13 < autopsy> 133 Mhz
04:14 < autopsy> Amiga 500 wow.
04:14 < autopsy> Thats 80's
04:14 < GunqqerFriithian> now how fast is a modern HDD used as sawp?
04:14 < GunqqerFriithian> s>sawp
04:14 < autopsy> Yall goin waaaay back.
04:14 < GunqqerFriithian> :P
04:14 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, saw p?
04:14 < GunqqerFriithian> ya'll wanna go back? I have an Apple Extened Keyboard 1
04:15 < GunqqerFriithian> swap
04:15 < autopsy> SWAP OH OK
04:15 < Enumeration> bruh do you even swap?
04:15 < autopsy> GunqqerFriithian, 8MB a second.
04:15 < xormor> Paradise SVGA, 25MHz, 8MB RAM, 300MB (0.3GB) hard drive, Pro Audio Spectrum 16 sound card, CD-ROM, A: and B: (a micro floppy and a bigger, floppy floppy). It also had C:, D: and E: as hard drives. The CD-ROM was F:
04:15 < xormor> autopsy, yeah
04:15 < GunqqerFriithian> well it's 22:15 and I have to go to work tomorrow
04:15 < Enumeration> look i use windows 3.1
04:15 < GunqqerFriithian> cya all
04:16 < autopsy> I use Windows 10.
04:16 < GunqqerFriithian> heretic
04:16 < slondr> pacman -R GunqqerFriithian
04:16 < Enumeration> for 4?
04:16 < GunqqerFriithian> sudo pkill -u gunqqer
04:16 < Enumeration> yaourt -R gunqqer
04:16 < luke-jr> xormor: my CPU is better than your i486
04:16 < GunqqerFriithian> systemclt suspend
04:16 < slondr> pkg_add -reverse GunqqerFriithian
04:16 < Enumeration> i use launchctl
04:16 < autopsy> I use shutdown Manager.
04:17 < GunqqerFriithian> sudo aptitude remove gunqqer
04:17 < autopsy> sudo sucks.
04:17 < Enumeration> yea man
04:17 < autopsy> I hate it.
04:17 < xormor> luke-jr, I do not have i486 anymore. Its power source unit broke down. Now I have an AMD with intel.
04:17 < Enumeration> i use a rootless kernel
04:17 < autopsy> sudo su - root
04:17 < xormor> luke-jr, err... ASUS with Intel
04:17 < slondr> sudo was a mistake tbh
04:17 < slondr> it's very insecure
04:17 < luke-jr> xormor: ew
04:17 < autopsy> Enumeration, what is rootless?
04:17 < Enumeration> get a mac
04:17 < Enumeration> and you shall see
04:17 < luke-jr> Enumeration: I have what Macs used to be made from
04:18 < luke-jr> sortof
04:18 < slondr> I've discovered many privilege escalation vectors just by using sudo normally
04:18 < GunqqerFriithian> the whole point of root is god accsess
04:18 < autopsy> PowerPC?
04:18 < slondr> Nextstep?
04:18 < luke-jr> autopsy: right, except it's just called POWER now
04:18 < autopsy> God accesses root.
04:18 < xormor> luke-jr, model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3220T CPU @ 2.80GHz
04:18 < autopsy> POWAH64!
04:18 < slondr> POWER != PowerPC
04:18 < xormor> luke-jr, the other computer is "acer" and has AMD.
04:18 < Enumeration> anyone have a gaming pc?
04:18 < slondr> you can't run PPC software on POWERN processors
04:18 < GunqqerFriithian> systemclt -i poweroff
04:18 < slondr> clt
04:19 < autopsy> So the processor architecture is different?
04:19 < Enumeration> for some reason i want to buy a gaming pc
04:19 < luke-jr> xormor: model name : IBM POWER9 CPU @ 3.7GHz
04:19 < GunqqerFriithian> ok but yeah i reallys hould sleep
04:19 < Enumeration> idk ifi. should invest in one
04:19 < Enumeration> i dont think i even really game
04:19 < luke-jr> slondr: yes you can
04:19 < autopsy> Invest in an i7 Intel 8 core machine.
04:19 < Enumeration> i9 is like 1k
04:19 < Enumeration> idk anyone here game?
04:20 < autopsy> I do Tom Clancy Ghost Recon 2.
04:20 < slondr> playing ck2 rn
04:20 < xormor> luke-jr, address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
04:20 < luke-jr> AMD GPU drivers don't work on POWER9 yet, so when I game, I use software 3D rendering :P
04:20 < autopsy> I use the framebuffer.
04:20 < Enumeration> no im serious
04:21 < Enumeration> like no trolling like im not sure
04:21 < autopsy> Enumeration, no you're not brah.
04:21 < Enumeration> sigh
04:21 < luke-jr> xormor: address sizes : 41 bits physical, 64 bits virtual
04:21 < Enumeration> console or gaming pc?
04:22 < autopsy> Enumeration, console 4 quad processors at 3.5GHz
04:22 < Enumeration> ...
04:22 < autopsy> nVidia 9600
04:22 < luke-jr> xormor: (and I can literally install 2 TB of RAM in my system if I want to)
04:22 < Enumeration> i meant like xbone x or ps4 or gaming or idk get laid
04:22 < autopsy> Enumeration, you gonna lay me?
04:23 < autopsy> By all means.
04:23 < Enumeration> autopsy why u gotta troll i stopped a while ago
04:23 < autopsy> I'm not trolling brother.
04:23 < autopsy> I'm serious.
04:23 < Enumeration> nah
04:24 < autopsy> Divino.
04:24 < autopsy> More pepperoni.
04:25 < dviola> luke-jr: what games do you play?
04:25 < autopsy> Enumeration, do you use dd?
04:25 < dviola> isn't software 3D rendering a bit slow?
04:25 < autopsy> Enumeration, do you make LiveDVDs?
04:25 < slondr> Enumeration: will you make me a sandwich
04:25 < Enumeration> i used dd today for making a swap for my router
04:25 < luke-jr> dviola: not when you throw 40 cores at it :P
04:25 < luke-jr> dviola: Jedi Academy
04:25 < Enumeration> bout it havent done dd for anything else
04:25 < Enumeration> recently
04:26 < dviola> luke-jr: native or wine?
04:26 < autopsy> Enumeration, are you compiling apps for busybox still?
04:26 < Enumeration> no
04:26 < dviola> id Tech 3
04:26 < autopsy> Enumeration, you should try dd if=/boot/vmlinuz* of=/dev/sdb
04:27 < Enumeration> no thanks though
04:27 < autopsy> Ok.
04:27 < autopsy> Hi d34m0n
04:27 < autopsy> Enumeration I live on Relation.
04:28 < autopsy> DocHopper_, what goes it?
04:28 < autopsy> Doc hopping.
04:30 < Enumeration> autopsy why do u use fedora
04:30 < luke-jr> dviola: native ofc
04:31 < luke-jr> compiled it myself
04:31 < Enumeration> should i use a swap file or swap partition
04:31 < slondr> neither
04:31 < slondr> well, wait. how much ram do you have
04:32 < Enumeration> hm i think 512
04:32 < slondr> 512 MB?
04:32 < Enumeration> yea
04:32 < Enumeration> netgear r9000
04:32 < dviola> luke-jr: nice
04:32 < slondr> aight swap partition
04:32 < Enumeration> o nvm 1 gb
04:32 < slondr> still partition
04:32 < autopsy> Enumeration, because it is backed by RedHat.
04:33 < pnbeast> Enumeration, for you, the best choice is to get an SD card reader (USB 1 is the preferred iface for your swap needs), then swap to an SD card.  That way, if your swap needs change in the future, you can simply buy a bigger card.  Be sure to swap often.
04:33 < luke-jr> slondr: Linux doesn't really work without swap
04:33 < Siva_Machina> Would a swapfile not be satisfactory?
04:33 < slondr> luke-jr: I've been running without swap for almost four years
04:33 < slondr> no issues whatsoever
04:33 < Enumeration> well the thing is its for entware
04:33 < luke-jr> slondr: must have a lot of unused RAM
04:33 < slondr> 16GB on my desktop yeh
04:33 < luke-jr> slondr: without swap, Linux will start OOM-killing stuff long before it uses it all
04:34 < luke-jr> also 16 GB is nothing
04:34 < slondr> Currently I'm using about 5GB
04:34 < luke-jr> dunno how
04:34 < slondr> I've never broken 14GB afaik
04:34 < luke-jr> Chromium seems to use about 15 GB by itself
04:34 < slondr> I don't use Chromium.
04:34 < Enumeration> 2gb /opt and 1 gb /jffs seems good enough right
04:34 < slondr> Nor do I use anything derived from Chromium.
04:34 < Siva_Machina> I only have 8GB. I need at least a couple gig swapfile
04:34 < Enumeration> i use vivaldi
04:34 < Enumeration> though it hogs a lot of resource
04:34 < slondr> >
04:34 < Enumeration> dont know why i contine to use it
04:35 < Enumeration> lol
04:35 < slondr> just use firefox dude
04:35 < Siva_Machina> Enumeration: Well it is based on Chromium
04:35 < Enumeration> yea firefox quantum actually got good
04:35 < slondr> firefox was really good before quantum, now it's untouchable
04:35 < Enumeration> but vivaldi looks pretty lol (huge resoruce hog)
04:36 < Siva_Machina> The issue I have using Firefox. Certain pages don't
04:36 < Enumeration> yea i do like firefox quantum a lot
04:36 < Enumeration> though i usually just use safari cuz of the password feature
04:36 < Siva_Machina> print properly
04:36 < Enumeration> so my passwords sync on my iphone
04:36 < slondr> >not using an external password manager
04:37 < Enumeration> icloud keychain
04:37 < slondr> >>>>>
04:37 < Enumeration> cuz its annoying if use an external
04:37 < Enumeration> its not native on other apps
04:37 < Enumeration> too much work man
04:37 < slondr> >
04:37 < Enumeration> ive got ocd on top of that
04:37 < Siva_Machina> I think I may need to setup Pass again at some point
04:38 < Enumeration> meh right now i just get hard by my router
04:38 < Enumeration> though i dont have an AD laptop
04:39  * Siva_Machina won't rely on proprietary garbage to store hus passwords
04:39 < autopsy> Enumeration, use git to store your passwords.
04:39 < Enumeration> apple is actually really good at being secure
04:40 < slondr> last
04:40 < slondr> pass
04:40 < Roden> In Ubuntu, how can I find the model of my harddrive?
04:40 < dviola> Roden: dmesg | grep sda
04:40 < Enumeration> autopsy i rather just upload a .txt with my password and then torrent it on the piratebay
04:40 < autopsy> Roden, hdparm -Ii /dev/sda
04:40 < Enumeration> roden i think its like lspci
04:40 < Enumeration> or soemthing
04:40 < autopsy> Enumeration, you can make backups incrementally using git.
04:41 < autopsy> lsblk
04:41 < Enumeration> no wtf
04:41 < Enumeration> its not lsblk
04:41 < autopsy> Yeah it is.
04:41 < Siva_Machina> autopsy: granted they are encrypted first
04:41 < dviola> Roden: use autopsy's command instead
04:41 < Enumeration> lsblk wont give u the model of ur harddrive
04:42 < autopsy> hdparm is in package hdparm.
04:42 < Enumeration> the fk u smoking dviola
04:42 < autopsy> Enumeration, my bad you're right it won't.
04:42 < autopsy> hdparm -Ii /dev/sda will.
04:42 < dviola> Enumeration: huh?
04:43 < autopsy> He smokin dat cheeba.
04:43 < slondr> tha skooma
04:43 < Enumeration> and dont hdparm -Ii /dev/sda
04:43 < Enumeration> wtf
04:43 < slondr> tha skooma my brother
04:43 < slondr> you must try tha skooma
04:44 < autopsy> Rhuema Rhuma.
04:44 < Enumeration> like it was funny trollin for a while now its just retarde
04:44 < autopsy> Enumeration, whats wrong with
04:44 < autopsy> HDPARM?
04:44 < Enumeration> you trying to fk up his hd
04:44 < dviola> I thought the HD model appeared in dmesg for some reason
04:44 < autopsy> No.
04:44 < Roden>  I think that command is only showing me one of my drives
04:44 < autopsy> It does.
04:44 < Enumeration> no it does not
04:45 < autopsy> Roden, now use /dev/sdb
04:45 < autopsy> Under device initialization it does the kernel prints it.
04:46 < autopsy> Roden, you have to use /dev/sda or sdb or sdc depending.
04:48 < autopsy> hdparm will print it I is for information.
04:49 < slondr> use lssda
04:50 < glix> what does ncurses/curses UI mean, are they like vim-inspired ?
04:51 < slondr> no, vim is written in curses
04:51 < slondr> curses is a library, like GTK or Qt, except it's for console applications
04:52 < autopsy> glix new curses aka ncurses provides a way to provide dialog boxes for console applications like nm-cli
04:52 < glix> slondr, Ah I see
04:52 < autopsy> lssda might work?
04:52 < autopsy> No not lssda. It's
04:52 < autopsy> lsd
04:53 < autopsy> For Newbuntu.
04:53 < slondr> ^
04:53 < autopsy> Ubuntu Schmewbuntu.
04:54 < autopsy> slondr whered you get lssda from?
04:55 < slondr> my anus
04:55 < autopsy> Your big fat anus oh noes.
04:55 < autopsy> Not again.
04:55 < autopsy> lssda yeah right lol.
04:56 < Enumeration> i use gentoo
04:56 < Enumeration> its the best and most stable
04:56 < slondr> ^
04:56 < autopsy> Mostly stability is relative these days.
04:57 < Enumeration> only downside is bh the time i finish compiling there is a new version out
04:57 < Enumeration> so i never can actually use my DE
04:57 < autopsy> YEAH
04:57 < Enumeration> :(
04:57 < autopsy> WHAT about that huh?
04:58 < Enumeration> i use englightenment for my de
04:58 < autopsy> E4
04:58 < autopsy> I use vim as my DE.
04:58 < autopsy> /dev/console baby!
04:59 < slondr> I use ifconfig as my DE
04:59 < Enumeration> i use dev < null
04:59 < autopsy> ifconfig has those cool switches.
05:02 < notmike> I only use ed
05:02 < notmike> Don't even have an os
05:02 < autopsy> Thats a shame notmike.
05:02 < Psi-Jack> ed doesn't IRC.
05:02 < notmike> That's what u think
05:02 < autopsy> IRC is for hobos.
05:02 < Psi-Jack> "you"
05:02 < notmike> Irc is for NEETs
05:03 < autopsy> The Elite.
05:03 < lnnb> @notmike what is NEET?
05:03 < storge> NEET?
05:03 < autopsy> NEAT HE MEANS
05:03 < notmike> Not in Education, Employment, or Training
05:03 < storge> hah
05:03 < autopsy> Unlikely.
05:03 < notmike> It's true
05:03 < autopsy> Show me a pointer to it.
05:03 < notmike> *NEET
05:04 < autopsy> Hm.
05:04 < notmike> &NEET
05:04 < notmike> Whatever
05:04 < autopsy> Ok. Ok.
05:06 < aclaivi> n00t n00t
05:06 < autopsy> notmike why you say that though?
05:06 < autopsy> aclaivi, n00t to you.
05:07 < autopsy> Enumeration, tell us more about your swap file.
05:08 < xormor> I finished school in 2006, I became a BBA in Business IT. I was employed several times in work training and rehabilitation work.
05:08 < autopsy> Enumeration, was the blocksize you used 2048?
05:08 < slondr> noot noot
05:08 < xormor> I finished working in 2008 in the T-Hall, and in the Club House in 2013.
05:08 < aclaivi> I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the navy seals
05:08 < slondr> ^
05:08 < cmj> trump is that you
05:09 < autopsy> Navy Here comes the Navy ladies here comes the Real Slim Shady!
05:09 < aclaivi> My father gave me a small loan of one million dollars
05:09 < autopsy> 1,000,000
05:09 < autopsy> Read it.
05:09 < autopsy> Hi braincrash
05:10 < xormor> I worked in work practice in the Polytechnic/University of Applied Sciences in 2004 Spring as an assistant, I was a webmaster and sysadmin. I worked in a factory job work rehab in 2006. I did similar work in 2008. Then I went to the Club House/Fountain House. I am a schizophrenic.
05:10 < autopsy> xormor you should file for SSI.
05:11 < Enumeration> no it was 3072
05:11 < xormor> autopsy, Social Security?
05:11 < autopsy> 3072 thats bad misaligned.
05:11 < autopsy> xormor, yes .
05:11 < xormor> autopsy, I live in Finland, I have social security from the folk pensionate.
05:11 < aclaivi> Is bad misaligned well aligned
05:11 < autopsy> Its bad misaligned homie.
05:12 < xormor> autopsy, I get mental health care for free, and my meds are very cheap. I get to eat well every day I want. I also live in a housing unit for the mentally ill. I have my own apartment here, like the others do, too.
05:12 < autopsy> xormor, what is the folk pensionare?
05:12 < xormor> autopsy, KELA, http://www.kela.fi
05:12 < autopsy> xormor, I don't want to read about it.
05:13 < autopsy> xormor, well glad you got a computer in there.
05:13 < xormor> autopsy, http://www.kela.fi/web/en <--- OK, here it is anyway. It is for the common social security on an as-needed basis for those who have not worked enough or do not have insurance.
05:13 < xormor> autopsy, my own computers, my own bed, own guitars, own tables and chairs.
05:14 < autopsy> xormor, I got a stool and a laptop.
05:14 < autopsy> xormor, and a microwave.
05:15 < Enumeration> thats my style
05:15 < autopsy> xormor, I'm filing for SSI here in Arizona.
05:16 < autopsy> glix whered you go?
05:16 < autopsy> Hi cheers
05:16 < cheers> hello:)
05:16 < autopsy> What are you up to?
05:17 < notmike> Peace with DPRK. You heard it here first.
05:17 < autopsy> Cheers what are you up to?
05:17 < cheers> not much, you?
05:18 < autopsy> Just trying to stay sane.
05:18 < autopsy> Too much trolling.
05:18 < autopsy> notmike yeah or out come the nukes.
05:18 < cheers> lol
05:18 < thatpythonguy> not sure if any of you were here ealier, but i finally got pywal to theme my powerline prompt
05:19 < autopsy> thatpythonguy, howd you do it?
05:19 < thatpythonguy> turns out you can reference pywal colors in the powerline config files
05:19 < autopsy> Oh no doubt?
05:20 < thatpythonguy> took me 8 hours to find someone's config for it and that solved it all haha
05:20 < autopsy> 8 hours looking for a config wow.
05:20 < autopsy> That must be draining.
05:20 < thatpythonguy> tell me about it. but hey, i learned a lot in the process so it was fun/worth it
05:21 < autopsy> thatpythonguy, learning is half the battle.
05:22 < autopsy> thatpythonguy, I got some C programs segfaulting on me when adding integers that are actually words.
05:22 < autopsy> Lkike Two and Ten
05:23 < autopsy> Hi _stuart
05:23 < thatpythonguy> autopsy, gonna be honest, i have no idea what that even means lol
05:23 < autopsy> thatpythonguy, JUST SOME addition on strings which can't happen.
05:23 < autopsy> thatpythonguy, I got to fix it somehow.
05:24 < thatpythonguy> ah i see lol
05:24 < autopsy> Using strtol() and fgets()
05:24 < autopsy> Hi MrHawk
05:36 < autopsy> Hi BitGonzo
05:36 < autopsy> Enumeration timed out.
05:36 < slondr> weakling
05:36 < autopsy> Yeah huh. ?
05:37 < autopsy> I'm on that strong USB net 4G LTE.
05:37 < autopsy> slondr was slandr taken?
05:38 < autopsy> I've got top in my drop down Qterminal.
05:38 < autopsy> Gnome 3.
05:39 < slondr> "slondr" is derived from my name in a rather strange way
05:39 < slondr> It's a good joke if you know me in real life
05:43 < autopsy> slondr Steve Lonnie Drepper?
05:44 < slondr> what?
05:44 < garylabronz> yeah what
05:44 < autopsy> slondr is that your name?
05:44 < slondr> uh, no
05:44 < autopsy> Ok.
05:44 < garylabronz> yeah thats his first name
05:44 < autopsy> I guessed well.
05:44 < garylabronz> slondr.github.io
05:45 < garylabronz> Mayo Mike
05:45 < ellyacht> can someone help me figure out why I am not the owner of /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools?
05:45 < slondr> chown
05:45 < garylabronz> -R
05:45 < ellyacht> what is that
05:45 < garylabronz> man chown
05:46 < slondr> ^
05:47 < ellyacht> slondr: can you use chown to change the ownership of a folder?
05:47 < notmike> Mike Jones
05:47 < slondr> ellyacht: yeah
05:47 < slondr> it's -R, like garylabronz said
05:47 < garylabronz> yes, do `chown -R ${USER}:${USER} /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools`
05:47 < slondr> more info is in the man page (man chown)
05:48 < garylabronz> just 777 / tbh, its the best way /s/s/s/s/s/s
05:48 < ellyacht> garylabronz: I replace USER USER part correct?
05:48 < garylabronz> nope, run `echo ${USER}`
05:49 < garylabronz> ${USER} is a default variable
05:49 < garylabronz> or $USER if you prefer than syntax
05:49 < garylabronz> that*
05:49 < slondr> than
05:50 < slondr> *
05:50 < ellyacht> garylabronz: when I ran echo ${USER} it came back with root
05:50 < garylabronz> lol ok, `whoami` is root as well? .. are you logged in as root?
05:51 < ellyacht> I am
05:52 < ellyacht> garylabronz: I think I am anyways
05:52 < ellyacht> garylabronz: whoami returned root
05:52 < garylabronz> ok, well yes change it to the user you want to own it to, it is <USER>:<GROUP> where GROUP is most likely same as USER
05:52 < autopsy> You shouldn't own platform-tools maybe you untarred an archive there with it. As root.
05:52 < garylabronz> yeah what are you trying to do? why does it matter if you are always running as root?
05:52 < ellyacht> autopsy: I just used software manager and searched adb and root
05:52 < autopsy> chown -R autopsy.wheel /usr/lib/paths
05:53 < autopsy> ellyacht, ok maybe platform-tools needs root ownership.
05:53 < autopsy> ellyacht, is it a platform IDE?
05:54 < ellyacht> garylabronz: I am trying to copy a recovery image into platform tools so that I can run fastboot and and flash it to myt phone
05:54 < autopsy> ellyacht, copy the recovery image as root.
05:55 < autopsy> ellyacht, no need to change perms on a directory.
05:55 < garylabronz> pretty sure you dont need to do that
05:55 < garylabronz> cant you just tell fastboot where the image is? i didnt think it needed to be in the same directory.. and anyway just copy it in... you are root?
05:55 < autopsy> ellyacht, you'll need root to flash your phone.
05:55 < ellyacht> autopsy: I copied it from my phones internal storage what do you mean copy as root? you haver to forgive I am new to linux
05:56 < garylabronz> what guide are you following?
05:56 < autopsy> ellyacht, same way you copied it using mv or cp.
05:56 < autopsy> cp = copy
05:56 < autopsy> mv = move
05:57 < ellyacht> garylabronz: I am not following any guide I am just going off of previous knowledge I guess. But that chown line didn't work any ways I am still not the owner of that specific path
05:57 < autopsy> ellyacht, you're currently root thats why.
05:58 < autopsy> ellyacht, you'd need chown -R root.root /usr/dirs/
05:58 < ellyacht> autopsy: it comes back as an error when I try to copy and move
05:58 < autopsy> ellyacht, permission denied using sudo?
05:58 < autopsy> Are you using sudo?
05:58 < autopsy> Use su - root
05:58 < garylabronz> are you copying in the shell with like `cp` or is it in the gui?>
05:59 < ellyacht> I am using su -root
05:59 < autopsy> Oh yeah the GUI.
05:59 < ellyacht> I just tried running that again and it said operation not permitted
05:59 < autopsy> ellyacht, ok. Using su it should make your EUID root 0.
05:59 < autopsy> ellyacht, that is strange whats ls -ld /the/directory say?
06:00 < autopsy> What is the output?
06:00 < ellyacht> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun  9 08:57
06:00 < autopsy> Hi v01t
06:01 < ellyacht> that was the output
06:01 < ellyacht> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun  9 08:57 /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools
06:01 < autopsy> ellyacht, is that right? Thats root owned by group root too.
06:01 < ellyacht> autopsy: all that was the output
06:01 < autopsy> Ok.
06:01 < garylabronz> 100% just do `chmod 777 <directory>` its a rubbish way to do it, but it will work
06:01 < autopsy> garylabronz, yeah do that.
06:01 < ellyacht> garylabronz: where do I do that at
06:01 < garylabronz> in the shell where you are root
06:01 < autopsy> ellyacht, do chmod 777 /the/directory Then try again.
06:02 < autopsy> In the terminal window.
06:02 < ellyacht> garylabronz: in the current shell I am in or just open terminal and sudo -s and then cd ~
06:02 < autopsy> ellyacht, no no.
06:02 < autopsy> ellyacht, in the current shell.
06:02 < slondr> don't run chmod as root
06:02 < slondr> if you're trying to make it not owned by root
06:03 < slondr> actually wait nevermind I just had a stroke
06:03 < autopsy> Yeah he needs to run some chmodding on the dir.
06:03 < autopsy> slondr, we willsave you.
06:03 < ellyacht> the current shell I am in is 'ellyacht@eLLyacht:/usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools
06:04 < autopsy> ellyacht, run: chmod 777 /the/dkirectory
06:04 < autopsy> ellyacht, make sure to use su - root first though.
06:04 < autopsy> To be root.
06:05 < ellyacht> ok so the directory being /usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools?
06:05 < autopsy> Yes.
06:05 < autopsy> Yes ellyacht that is the dir.
06:05 < ellyacht> why don't I want to be owner of all my directories and every thing. lol its my pc
06:05 < slondr> uh
06:05 < autopsy> ellyacht, it's root's PC.
06:05 < slondr> you can't do that
06:06 < ellyacht> lol forgive me but aren't I root?
06:06 < slondr> no
06:06 < slondr> this isn't windows
06:06 < autopsy> ellyacht, not yet not until you su - root
06:06 < ellyacht> when I installed linuxmint 19 it asked where roo should be and I selected '/'
06:06 < autopsy> ellyacht, thats different rootfs.
06:06 < ellyacht> oh ok
06:06 < ellyacht> dang
06:06 < ellyacht> I want to be owner of all my things : (
06:07 < slondr> you can't do that
06:07 < autopsy> Rootfs is /
06:07 < slondr> that's now how permissions work
06:07 < autopsy> Yeah POSIX file perms don't wwork that way.
06:07 < autopsy> POSIX right?
06:07 < ellyacht> ok let me try this chmod one second
06:07 < slondr> and it's a very, very good thing that they don't
06:07 < slondr> if you fuck with permissions manually too much you will end up destroying your system
06:07 < autopsy> Yeah its a good setup.
06:08 < ellyacht> this is what it outputed
06:08 < autopsy> slondr, yeah but for platform-tools he just needs to copy an image file from his phone.
06:08 < ellyacht> chmod: changing permissions of '/usr/lib/android-sdk/platform-tools': Operation not permitted[
06:08 < autopsy> ellyacht, su - root first
06:08 < slondr> yeah you can't just do that unless you own the stuff
06:08 < ellyacht> oh yeah duh
06:09 < autopsy> ellyacht, then su - root again.
06:09 < autopsy> Just to be sure.
06:09 < autopsy> Then chmod 777 /the/directory
06:09 < slondr> bruh just su -c "chmod 777 /the/directory"
06:09 < ellyacht> ok it outputed nothing thats good right?
06:09 < slondr> no need to go into an actual root shell
06:09 < slondr> and yes
06:10 < slondr> no output = no errors
06:10 < autopsy> Yes no output means it succeeded.
06:10 < ellyacht> i did su -s
06:10 < autopsy> su -s is what?
06:10 < autopsy> su --command='chmod ...'
06:10 < ellyacht> I dont know lol its how I have been logging in as root
06:10 < slondr> just use sudo
06:10 < autopsy> You can use sudo -i too.
06:10 < slondr> or just sudo
06:10 < ellyacht> that is what I do sudo -s
06:11 < jim> then everyone can do everything
06:11 < ellyacht> someone in a diff
06:11 < ellyacht> channel told me to do that
06:11 < autopsy> ellyacht, in #Ubuntu?
06:11 < jim> sdchanel number 9?
06:12 < autopsy> Chanel Number 9 I remember that.
06:12 < ellyacht> autopsy: no in linuxmint 19
06:12 < autopsy> It smelled oh so sweet.
06:12 < ciscon> cbs
06:12 < slondr> sudo -s is basically the same as just running `su` except the former takes your password instead of root's
06:12 < autopsy> sudo -i doesn't ask me for a password.
06:12 < ellyacht> no in ##linuxmin
06:12 < ellyacht> no in ##linuxmint
06:12 < jim> broke mah little bottle of
06:13 < autopsy> ellyacht, did you change the perms?
06:13 < jim> love potion number nine
06:13 < ellyacht> I did it worked it let me copy the images into the directory
06:13 < slondr> nice
06:13 < ellyacht> about to reboot my phone into the bootloader
06:13 < ellyacht> ty
06:13 < autopsy> ellyacht, ok good. Now flash your phone.
06:13 < ellyacht> lol
06:13 < ellyacht> about to try anyways
06:15 < autopsy> ellyacht, just make sure it copies all the way use sync after copying to flush buffers of memory to disk.
06:15 < autopsy> See: man sync
06:16 < ellyacht> I havent flashed it yet cause I was installing a different rom
06:16 < ellyacht> what is running sync mean?
06:16 < garylabronz> man sync
06:16 < autopsy> ellyacht, see man sync
06:16 < autopsy> garylabronz, thats right right flush buuffers to disk?
06:17 < ellyacht> so what sync file system?
06:17 < autopsy> ellyacht, yes sync filesystems.
06:17 < autopsy> ellyacht, do that after the cp command exits.
06:17 < autopsy> sync
06:18 < autopsy> Works on Ext3.
06:18 < autopsy> ellyacht, what kind of phone is it?
06:18 < ellyacht> autopsy: what does after cp command exits? and I am on ext4
06:18 < autopsy> ellyacht, after it completes.
06:19 < autopsy> ellyacht, sync works for Ext4.
06:19 < ellyacht> so just sync -f in the current shell I am in?
06:20 < autopsy> ellyacht, whats -f?
06:20 < autopsy>  ellyacht as root sync
06:20 < slondr> -fsck
06:20 < autopsy> No don't fsck.
06:21 < slondr> sync -fsck
06:21 < autopsy> sync -fackle
06:21 < autopsy> --fsck
06:21 < autopsy> /t he/directory
06:21 < ellyacht> autopsy: what is -fackle? and what does two -- mean as oppose to 1 -
06:21 < autopsy> File system check the directory first.
06:22 < autopsy> ellyacht, its long or short options --none -n
06:22 < autopsy> ellyacht, sync take s no argument though.
06:22 < slondr> yes it does dude
06:22 < slondr> -f is like actually a thing in sync
06:22 < autopsy> ellyacht, you can run sudo -u root --command='sync';
06:22 < slondr> it basically means fsck
06:22 < slondr> check the man
06:23 < autopsy> Ok Checking.
06:23 < rcf> slondr:        -f, --file-system
06:23 < rcf>               sync the file systems that contain the files
06:23 < autopsy> rcf slondr thats not fsck.
06:23 < ellyacht> ok I am already in the same shell as before cause I need to be to flash my phone so do I leave and open a new shell or or just run -fsck cause I am already root
06:24 < slondr> ...i should have checked the man lol
06:24 < autopsy> ellyacht, no not -fsck
06:24 < autopsy> ellyacht, just sync
06:24 < rcf> autopsy: yeah, that's why I was quoting it.
06:24 < ellyacht> ok I just typed sync
06:24 < autopsy> rcf better you than me I know sync takes no arguments to sync all filesystems buffers.
06:24 < ellyacht> and it outputted nothingf
06:25 < autopsy> ellyacht, ok your good to go.
06:25 < ellyacht> autopsy: when it outputs nothing like that (no errors) how can I go and view what errors I may have currently
06:25 < autopsy> ellyacht, the image should be bootable.
06:26 < autopsy> ellyacht, journalctl
06:26 < ellyacht> havent tried yet one secoind have to let out the dog brb
06:26 < autopsy> brb means bacon relish and brautwurst right?
06:26 < slondr> yeah
06:26 < autopsy> Ok.
06:27 < autopsy> Just making sure.
06:28 < ellyacht> hmmm bratwurst
06:29 < oneko> Now, what is bratwurst ?
06:29 < ellyacht> brautwurst* ok I am going to go get food also I'll see you all later thanks for all the help
06:29 < slondr> yeet
06:29 < oneko> yeet is also a type of food ? :-P
06:30 < autopsy> skeet skeet
06:30 < autopsy> Food is good for you.
06:30 < autopsy> dnf install yeet
06:30 < slondr> [citation needed]
06:32 < autopsy> slondr so what gave you the name Mayo Mike?
06:32 < autopsy> What does it mean?
06:32 < autopsy> Hi fr0ddy_
06:32 < lnnb> "they" did it
06:33 < slondr> Mayo Mike doesn't refer to me
06:34 < autopsy> slondr who are you then?
06:34 < autopsy> I'm Jasper.
06:37 < autopsy> slondr ok ok no problem.
06:37 < slondr> I am a man of many futures
06:37 < autopsy> The future is dim.
06:38 < oneko> Do you mean futures or options ?
06:38 < autopsy> Lookin down the hall and the shoplight gettin dim.
06:38 < autopsy> Many __futures__
06:39 < autopsy> Hi day
06:39 < autopsy> May day.
06:39 < Pentode> autopsy, report your position and the nature of the distress.
06:40 < oneko> From __future__ import *
06:41 < oneko> I'm seated at a desk trying to figure out something and the nature of the distress is boredom.
06:41 < Pentode> bored? learn a language. but don't pick python. ;0
06:41 < ayecee> maybe french
06:42 < oneko> I choose japanese and ended up being a cat :-(
06:43 < autopsy> oneko, kitty kitty.
06:43 < Pentode> aw man. is your owner a cat lady?
06:43 < autopsy> Yep lolz.
06:43 < autopsy> Lady cat man du.
06:43 < oneko> I'm just a teacher's cat :-)
06:46 < autopsy> Why does Fedora have to sync metadata so quickly every run on dnf?
06:46 < autopsy> Can't I cache it for like 6 days?
06:46 < strive> Pentode: Why not Python? (curious)
06:46 < ayecee> causes brain damage
06:47 < Pentode> im just notoriously not fond of it. thats all. ;)
06:47 < autopsy> from __future__ import *
06:47 < strive> Oh.
06:47 < autopsy> Pentode, what do you write bash and C?
06:47 < Pentode> import import! self self self __SELF__ == "__SELF__" + SELF! ;p
06:48 < Pentode> well
06:48 < Pentode> i've used python, it _does_ have it's uses.
06:48 < autopsy> Pentode no doubt man I hear ya.
06:48  * self slaps pentode
06:48 < autopsy> Oooh.
06:48 < Pentode> but yeah basically c, c, and more c. and some bash yeah.
06:48 < autopsy> You just got smacked.
06:48 < Random832> oneko, i think they specifically decided not to support * because it defeats the purpose of using __future__ instead of instantly making incompatible changes
06:49 < autopsy> Random832, what do you mean? Not supporting *
06:49 < Random832> you can't from __future__ import *
06:49 < oneko> Oooh
06:49 < autopsy> Why not?
06:49 < oneko> I thought it was just a module like any other
06:49 < autopsy> Me too.
06:50 < Random832> ok for one thing it's not a module, it's a magic statement that enables compiler flags
06:50 < Random832> (it's also a module, but that's not what the from/import statement does)
06:50 < Random832> and the reason is, if they add a thing to it in the next version, it's going to be something your code isn't ready for, and therefore should not be importing
06:52 < autopsy> Random832, ok makes sense.
06:52 < oneko> So, what exactly do you mean by compiler flag, Random832 ? I thought python runs on an interpreter ?
06:52 < oneko> *flags
06:52 < Random832> python is compiled to bytecode that is then interpreted
06:52 < autopsy> Byte code he says.
06:52 < autopsy> pyc files and pyo
06:53 < slondr> everything has to be compiled eventually
06:53 < autopsy> Everything.
06:53 < slondr> whether that happens at or before runtime doesn't really matter much to your CPU
06:53 < autopsy> Yeah what flags?
06:53 < autopsy> Hi dongcarl
06:53 < autopsy> Hi NickBusey
06:56 < autopsy> I can't build a LiveDVD using mock.
06:56 < autopsy> And livecd-creator
06:57 < oneko> What is mock ?
06:57 < slondr> man mock
06:58 < autopsy> mock is a chroot jail like filesystem  program in Fedora.
06:58 < autopsy> It provides a builddir for LiveDVD images.
06:58 < autopsy> And packages no less RPM packaging is done in mock.
06:58 < oneko> I'm not a fedora user - probably why I've not heard of it before.
06:59 < autopsy> Probably.
06:59 < autopsy> koji and bodhi are also platforms.
06:59  * oneko googles
07:00 < autopsy> oneko, fedoraproject.org has documents on it.
07:02 < oneko> I see that - to some extent I'm too lazy to read much :-(
07:03 < autopsy> oneko, its cool how it all works with rpmbuild and livemedia-creator though.
07:03 < autopsy> mksquashfs and mkisofs
07:03 < autopsy> Loopback mounted and mounted over tmpfs.
07:04 < autopsy> Mounts go on loop but then tmpfs is mounted over the loop devices.
07:04 < autopsy> Gives the ability to dnf install programs from the LiveDVD while it is running in RAM.
07:04 < autopsy> Really pretty neat.
07:12 < strive> Unsure where to ask this question, so I'm open for redirection. What is the most fesible approach to gathering a list of files on my Linux server and throwing them into an html document that could later be viewed on a website?
07:13 < strive> s/fesible/feasible
07:13 < slondr> first half of that is really easy
07:13 < slondr> second half is nigh impossible depending on how you want it to be structured
07:13 < strive> slondr: Me?
07:13 < slondr> yeah
07:13 < strive> Oh. OK.
07:13 < strive> Hm.
07:14 < strive> Just a very simple listing of all the files I gathered.
07:14 < strive> Probably just as simply using redirection?
07:14 < slondr> use find for that
07:15 < pnbeast> strive, maybe "ls -R / > <webroot>/files.txt"?
07:16 < strive> pnbeast: Then have the html document read that file?
07:16 < strive> Poifect!
07:16 < pnbeast> HTML is your problem.
07:16 < strive> Eh, maybe or maybe not.
07:17 < strive> I'll find a way to link a text file into the html document.
07:18 < strive> I'll whip something up. Thanks for the guidance, pnbeast & slondr.
07:21 < Psi-Jack> xargs -n 30 chown bbs:bbs < /var/lib/dpkg/info/synchronet.list -- This almost works, except some files in syncronet.list have spaces in the filenames.
07:26 < Psi-Jack> find / <webroot>/files.txt would be better than ls -R
07:37 < Dagmar> There's an entire website devoted to why you don't parse the output of ls
07:37 < Dagmar> Stahhhhp it
07:38 < pnbeast>  So?  There are multiple websites devoted to MS Windows.
07:39 < Dagmar> We pick our battles
08:05 < autopsy> What is WeeChat?
08:06 < autopsy> Is that MacOS?
08:06 < autopsy> 1.9.1
08:06 < slondr> no that's one of the many emacs clients
08:06 < slondr> WeChat is for macos
08:06 < slondr> they're different lol
08:07 < sauvin> IRC client, probably multiple platforms. I use mine on Linux.
08:08 < rindolf> autopsy: weechat is not for emacs
08:10 < rindolf> autopsy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeeChat
08:10 < autopsy> rindolf what about nano for emacs?
08:10 < rindolf> autopsy: what?
08:11 < autopsy> rindolf it looks a lot like BitchX.
08:11 < rindolf> autopsy: ok
08:11 < autopsy> BitchX is better though.
08:11 < rindolf> autopsy: how do you know?
08:11 < autopsy> Wikipedia always there when you need it.
08:12 < autopsy> rindolf cause man it's BitchX. Come on now.
08:13 < Pentode> pfft
08:14 < Dexx1_> I was trying to upgrade jekyll by doing 'sudo apt-get upgrade jekyll' and now I am indefinitely stuck at 'update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic' -- I tried doing 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' and it is STILL stuck. Also: https://pastebin.com/raw/z84Mq6N9 --- anyway how I can fix this and upgrade Jekyll? I am on elementaryOS (Loki)
08:15 < rindolf> Dexx1_: hi
08:15 < Dexx1_> hey rindolf
08:15 < rindolf> Dexx1_: isnt upgrade about upgrading the whole dist?
08:16 < Dexx1_> rindolf: could be, either way I screwed something up
08:16 < autopsy> Upgrading your whole kernel obviously.
08:17 < Dexx1_> autopsy: how can I fix it?
08:17 < Pentode> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) <- the root of the problem?
08:17 < autopsy> It is stuck in mkinitrd
08:17 < Pentode> find out what is using the lock
08:17 < Dexx1_> how?
08:17 < autopsy> Something is blocking use fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
08:17 < Pentode> a zombie apt process? graphical package manager running?
08:18 < autopsy> fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock
08:18 < autopsy> Try that.
08:18 < autopsy> It should return a process ID or name.
08:18 < autopsy> Zombie apt-get probably.
08:19 < autopsy> Fedora's dnf waits for the locks for PID of dnf to finish then it completes.
08:19 < autopsy> You can run two dnf or even 5 dnf commands at once.
08:19 < Dexx1_> autopsy: fuser /var/lib/dpkg/lock didn't return anything
08:20 < autopsy> lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
08:20 < autopsy> Try that.
08:21 < autopsy> Locking must be done though for apt and apt-get and aptitude.
08:21 < Dexx1_> autopsy: nothing
08:21 < autopsy> Dexx1_, huh no really did your commands finish then?
08:21 < Dexx1_> autopsy: nope
08:22 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you could rm the lock and try dpkg again.
08:22 < autopsy> Dexx1_, but is there a way to rebuild the package indices with dpkg?
08:22 < Dexx1_> autopsy: even after removing I get: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
08:22 < autopsy> Needs no corruption for mid-air collisions to database.
08:23 < Dexx1_> and when doing 'sudo dpkg --configure -a', it gets stuck again on update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
08:23 < Dagmar> Make sure your disks aren't full/corrupted and run that once you've cleared out all the stake dpkg invocations
08:23 < autopsy> Dexx1_, OK RUN 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
08:23 < Dagmar> Ugh... Something's either failing or taking a dog's age to run that
08:24 < Dagmar> Mayb run it with more verbosity enabled
08:24 < autopsy> mkinitrd is stuck it seems or mkinitramfs or dracut.
08:24 < Dexx1_> autopsy: I just said that also gets stuck
08:24 < autopsy> Yeah try -vvvvvv
08:24 < Dagmar> I can't rmemeber where i looked to find a log of what was going on the last time I had to debug that step
08:24 < Dagmar> It can take a _while_ sometimes
08:24 < Dexx1_> like 25 mins?
08:25 < autopsy> 25 minites no.
08:25 < autopsy> Minutes.
08:25 < Dagmar> If the machine is slow and has very little RAM, maybe.  It _shouldn't_ take that long
08:25 < Dexx1_> Right. So, something else is wrong..
08:25 < Dexx1_> 16gb or ram :)
08:25 < Dexx1_> *of
08:25 < Dagmar> I'd say something's bombed out in teh phase where it tries to determine what should go in there
08:25 < autopsy> Wow. mkinitramfs should be done.
08:26 < Dagmar> Add moar v's
08:26 < autopsy> Add more v's to your dpkg sudo command.
08:26 < Dagmar> It may jibber like a hundred toddlers drinking espresso, but where it stops you'll know you're looking at the culprit
08:26 < autopsy> sudo dpkg -vvvvvv --configure -a
08:27 < autopsy> or --verbose
08:27 < autopsy> Dexx1_, use strace too.
08:27 < Dagmar> Euw no
08:27 < Dagmar> Especially not with a sudo-invoked app
08:27 < Dexx1_> autopsy: unknown option --v --verbose etc.
08:27 < autopsy> Dexx1_, strace sudo dpkg --configure -a
08:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, use strace. Not --v -v
08:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, strace willl show the syscalls its performing while attached.
08:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you may see it wait() or in an open() call.
08:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, maybe in a read() too.
08:28 < Dexx1_> autopsy: https://pastebin.com/raw/C9nLRiKr
08:29 < searedvandal> have you upgraded your kernel at some earlier point and not rebooted maybe? and now you're trying to do it again and it gets stuck?
08:29 < autopsy> Dexx1_, write(2, "effective uid is not 0, is /usr/"..., 133effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without
08:29 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you need to be root.
08:30 < autopsy> Dexx1_, don't use sudo use su - root
08:30 < Dagmar> Freaky
08:30 < autopsy> Use su - root
08:30 < Dexx1_> sudo strace dpkg --configure -a ?
08:30 < autopsy> Dexx1_, no use su - root then strace dpkg --configure -a
08:30 < irwinz> if it's not allowed i'll ask elsewhere, but i have a question about TeraTerm's settings, anybody familiar with it? i'm customizing the ini and trying to figure out which setting will stop the behavior of 'refreshing' the window contents when the window is moved or resized, and then only showing the bottom line
08:31 < Dagmar> Strace is not going to be readable for that
08:31 < irwinz> this setting sounds promising "; Scroll out the current buffer when the clear screen does.
08:31 < irwinz> ScrollWindowClearScreen=off
08:31 < autopsy> Dagmar, what do you mean strace won't be readable?
08:31 < irwinz> so does this one, though: AutoScrollOnlyInBottomLine=on (Reset scrollback on display activity)
08:32 < Dexx1_> autopsy: does it really make a difference su vs sudo? because su gives me authentication failure and I think I need to mess around with the sudoers file again X_x
08:32 < Dagmar> I mean it's going to give a bunch of output about which C calls are being made, which is a bit like trying to read the newspaper with a 100x microscope for this
08:32 < Dexx1_> I'd rather fix this than do that if possible
08:32 < autopsy> Dexx1_, using su - root means you input root's password not your user's.
08:33 < autopsy> Dexx1_, its the only way to fix it EUID was not 0.
08:33 < autopsy> It said it plain as day.
08:33 < autopsy> That IS whats WRONG.
08:33 < Dexx1_> so how do I fix this in the sudoers file?
08:33 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you were running apt upgrade as a normal user. Or as sudo.
08:34 < Dexx1_> sudo
08:34 < searedvandal> if su - root gives auth failure, I'm assume you're using ubuntu and haven't activated the root user with sudo passwd root ?
08:34 < autopsy> Dexx1_, use wheel group to set your user in wheel group and NOPASSWD: ALL uncommented.
08:34 < Dagmar> --debug=3773 (which will be CHATTY) is what you can use there
08:34 < Dagmar> --debug=help if you want to know what magical numbers to use to make it less loquacious
08:35 < autopsy> What the hell is loquicious?
08:35 < Dagmar> Toddlers who have been drinking espresso
08:35 < autopsy> searedvandal, could be yes.
08:35 < autopsy> I bet it is.
08:35 < searedvandal> yep
08:35 < autopsy> I didn't know that it was disabled though.
08:36 < autopsy> He might be having fun with strace.
08:36 < searedvandal> I think they still have root user disabled by default
08:36 < autopsy> strace is really good.
08:36 < autopsy> Yeah that hasn't changed at all.
08:37 < autopsy> Fedora's LiveDVD has a user liveuser with no passwd.
08:37 < autopsy> You set the root passwd in the install to hard drive menus.
08:37 < autopsy> Anaconda.
08:37 < autopsy> 4 questions including partitioning and thats it.
08:37 < Dexx1_> autopsy: this is my sudoers: https://pastebin.com/raw/5XxvsGvm
08:38 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you need %wheel NOPASSWD: (ALL)
08:39 < autopsy> Dexx1_, and then usermod -a -G wheel yourusername
08:40 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you can also run sudo passwd root
08:40 < autopsy> Dexx1_, that will let you set an root password.
08:41 < autopsy> write(2, "effective uid is not 0, is /usr/"..., 133effective uid is not 0, is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option set or an NFS file system without
08:41 < iodev> autopsy: why not use gpasswd -a user group
08:41 < iodev> it's easier to remember
08:41 < searedvandal> should be enough to just do sudo passwd root, don't need the wheel group if it's ubuntu. or am I mistaken?
08:41 < autopsy> Nah just sudo passwd root
08:42 < iodev> wait, is he trying to change the password of root
08:42 < iodev> or trying to create a user with sudo access
08:42 < autopsy> iodev cause I don't know about gpasswd.
08:42 < Dexx1_> autopsy: syntax error
08:42 < autopsy> iodev, both trying to login using su - root actually.
08:42 < autopsy> Dexx1_, syntax was what?
08:43 < Dexx1_> %wheel NOPASSWD: (ALL)
08:43 < autopsy> iodev his dpkg is stuck in mkinitrd dracut or mkinitramfs some reason.
08:43 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok sorry hang on.
08:44 < autopsy> Dexx1_, %wheel  ALL=(ALL)       NOPASSWD: ALL
08:44 < iodev> autopsy: dpkg? dracut is on fedora/redhat/centos which is RPM-based
08:45  * iodev is confused ???
08:45 < autopsy> Dexx1_, that is write for mine system. Here. So it is correct syntax for wheel.
08:45 < autopsy> iodev, yeah don't know of dpkg mkinitramfs then?
08:45 < Dexx1_> autopsy: usermod: group 'wheel' does not exist
08:45 < autopsy> I don't know hell. He should just run sudo passwd root then.
08:45 < autopsy> Dexx1_, groupadd wheel
08:45 < iodev> yes, I know that dpkg runs a script update-initramfs or something like that
08:46 < iodev> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/live-update-initramfs.8.html
08:46 < searedvandal> sudo update-initramfs -u
08:46 < autopsy> yes thats where it sstuck previous strace output on write() showed Effective User ID was not 0. Running under sudo then.
08:46 < Dexx1_> autopsy: ok done. Still getting authentication failure -- how do I set a su password for my self?
08:47 < autopsy> Dexx1_, sudo passwd root
08:47 < iodev> oh, interesting
08:47 < autopsy> $EUID was not 0.
08:47 < Dexx1_> autopsy: would that change my existing root account password?
08:47 < autopsy> nosuid could be a mount flag too.
08:47 < iodev> Dexx1_: try sudo -i
08:47 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yes it changes the root password.
08:48 < iodev> and then passwd root (sudo -i switches to su-like mode)
08:48 < Dexx1_> sudo -i worked
08:48 < Dexx1_> that was easier :)
08:48 < autopsy> Ok fine run passwd root
08:48 < autopsy> Then change it so you can use su - root
08:48 < Dexx1_> why am I changing my root account password? I'd rather keep it
08:49 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you don't have one you are using a user passwd.
08:49 < Dexx1_> (I use a regular account)
08:49 < Dexx1_> (I already have a root account)
08:49 < pnbeast> Dexx1_, give it to me.  I'll keep it for you.
08:49 < Dexx1_> ;)
08:49 < autopsy> Dexx1_, your root paswd is not set disabling the account.
08:49 < iodev> autopsy: that is wrong!
08:49 < autopsy> Use rsync and git to backup your passwd.
08:49 < Dexx1_> autopsy: I don't think thats correct
08:49 < iodev> I have root:!:.... on my server
08:49 < iodev> in my /etc/shadow and I can use sudo
08:49 < autopsy> iodev, ok.
08:49 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, do 'sudo update-initramfs -u' and then the dpkg --configure thingie
08:50 < autopsy> Sorry don;t know then whats the deal with Ubuntu dpkg.
08:50 < Dexx1_> I mean, I can log into my root account (graphically) easily with a different password. I just use my regular user account to compartmentalize security issues
08:50 < autopsy> dpkg --configure -a
08:50 < iodev> autopsy: the only thing passwd -l root locks is direct root login; you can always use sudo & PAM to open an indirect session
08:50 < iodev> Dexx1_: your problem is related to dpkg, not to user :-)
08:50 < autopsy> iodev thats the PROBLEM running dpkg under sudo.
08:51 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: I did: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic in the root console. How long should this take max?
08:51 < autopsy> strace said it man.
08:51 < autopsy> EFFECTIVE UID WAS NOT 0
08:51 < Dexx1_> (i.e: how do I know i'ts not stuck)
08:51 < autopsy> Dexx1_, its gonna get stuck maybe try and see for 3 minutes.
08:51 < iodev> autopsy: have you ever noticed how under sudo ls ~ it lists the home of the non-root user
08:52 < autopsy> iodev thats the $EUID set to 1000
08:52 < iodev> and so it should be
08:52 < autopsy> iodev your effective UID is not the same as your UID.
08:52 < iodev> sudo runs as root, without changing the environment
08:52 < autopsy> iodev yes but dpkg said it didn't like the EUID not being 0.
08:52 < autopsy> strace dpkg said it.
08:53 < autopsy> In a write() call.
08:53 < autopsy> Write to tty.
08:53 < Dexx1_> k, it's been about 3 mins
08:53 < autopsy> K. Its a no go.
08:53 < autopsy> It should be done in 45 seconds.
08:53 < iodev> yeah, it's considered an information, it didn't ERROR: or something serious
08:53 < Dexx1_> (this is under sudo -i root environment too)
08:53 < autopsy> iodev oh but it did. In fact.
08:54 < iodev> autopsy: what's the error?
08:54 < autopsy> iodev that IS the ERROR: https://pastebin.com/raw/C9nLRiKr
08:54 < autopsy> LOOK for yourself in the bottom.
08:55 < Dexx1_> So, what's next? CTRL+C to kill it?
08:55 < winsoff> What problem does systemd solve?
08:55 < autopsy> Winsoff it allows sockets to be used for IPC.
08:55 < iodev>  is /usr/bin/sudo on a file system with the 'nosuid' option?
08:55 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, if it's stuck, then kill it
08:56 < winsoff> autopsy, is that a performance gain?
08:56 < iodev> Dexx1_: do chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo (yes, it's a 4 digit mode)
08:56 < autopsy> iodev Dexx1_ kill it. kill -9 $(pidof dpkg)
08:56 < autopsy> iodev ok you know more than I do apparently.
08:56 < autopsy> Whats 4755 mean?
08:57 < Dagmar> Wait, sudo somehow got it's suid flag unset?
08:57 < Dexx1_> K, what's next gentlemen :)
08:57 < iodev> autopsy: 4 - means suid flag
08:57 < iodev> the rest you know, 755 - common stuff
08:57 < autopsy> iodev ok. 1755 is the sticky bit I know that.
08:57 < Dagmar> Actually it can get by with 4511
08:57 < Dagmar> There are good reasons do not allow users to _read_ the sudo binary
08:57 < autopsy> 4511 yeah.
08:57 < iodev> Dagmar: yes, that's correct
08:57 < Dagmar> ...or any suid binary
08:58 < pingfloyd> 770 ftw
08:58 < autopsy> pingfloyd, not now man come on.
08:58 < iodev> Dexx1_: so, did you chmod it like I said?
08:58 < autopsy> mkinitramfs is failing to generate an initrd.
08:58 < pingfloyd> autopsy: what?
08:58 < autopsy> pingfloyd, 770 what why?
08:59 < pingfloyd> autopsy: good perm for your $HOME
08:59 < autopsy> pingfloyd, 0700 actually.
08:59 < iodev> on my server, for keys (SSL keys) I use permission 400 (only root can read)
09:00 < searedvandal> wait, why does he need to chmod the sudo binary to get the dpkg --configure to get past the update initramfs part?
09:00 < Dagmar> He shoudn't have to
09:00 < autopsy> cause strace said his EUID was not 0.
09:00 < searedvandal> ah
09:00 < autopsy> YES MAN
09:00 < pingfloyd> autopsy: why do want to give the group no access at all?
09:00 < Dagmar> If he *does* then something terrible had happened to the permissions in the filesystem and he's probably going to be _reinstalling_
09:00 < iodev> searedvandal: I suspect the sudo binary lost it's suid bit and now won't work correctly
09:00 < autopsy> LOOK STRACE
09:00 < Dagmar> You can't strace suid binaries
09:00 < searedvandal> autopsy, alrighty, I'm back on the same page
09:00 < autopsy> https://pastebin.com/raw/C9nLRiKr
09:00 < Dagmar> It's explcitly not allowed
09:01 < autopsy> Dagmar, well so much for that then he will find out soon enough I guess.
09:01 < Dagmar> If sudo lost it's suid bit, other things probably did as well
09:01 < autopsy> Dagmar, its a wonder how he got to dpkg upgrade anyways.
09:01 < Dagmar> About the only thing that can be done at that point is a forcible reinstallation of every package
09:01 < iodev> he ran dpkg upgrade?
09:01 < autopsy> Dagmar, strace sudo dpkg worked for that output there.
09:01 < Dagmar> (or a couple of hours workingt with a COMPREHENSIVE knowledge of the filesystem)
09:01 < Dexx1_> iodev: yup
09:02 < pingfloyd> screw combing/search the fs
09:02 < Dagmar> pingfloyd++
09:02 < iodev> Dexx1_: okay, from sudo -i, run strace of dpkg without sudo
09:02 < pingfloyd> quicker to just reinstall if you screw things up that bad
09:02 < iodev> Dagmar: says you can't strace suid, I didn
09:02 < autopsy> Use rpm -qaV to verify the SUID bits file perms.
09:02 < iodev> know that
09:02 < jim> how do you screw a comb?!
09:02 < Dagmar> iodev: If you *could* it would allow you to stop the binary and possibly inject things
09:02 < Dagmar> Veyr, very bad
09:02 < iodev> autopsy: if he installed both dpkg & rpm then you're in for a mess.
09:02 < Dagmar> Made verboten over a decade ago
09:03 < autopsy> iodev no I'm just saying dpkg doesn't have a verify file permissions bits flags I don't think.
09:03 < pingfloyd> pragmatism, some people have it, some people don't.
09:03 < autopsy> RPM does.
09:03 < Dagmar> Look on the bright side
09:03 < Dagmar> Success teaches very little
09:03 < Dexx1_> iodev: https://pastebin.com/raw/dPHHLAkY
09:03 < Dagmar> LOTS of things are being learned tonight
09:03 < Dagmar> ;)
09:03 < pingfloyd> yep
09:04 < searedvandal> euid 0
09:04 < Dagmar> Those of us with apparent encylopaedic knowledge of the goings on got that way through _lots_ of failures
09:04 < pingfloyd> of course lots of reading, help with learning more efficiently than just fumbling in the dark.
09:04 < Dagmar> Anyone who says different is deluded or lying
09:04 < autopsy> wait4(2058, update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
09:04 < autopsy> wait4()
09:05 < jim> yep, in my case I would have to go through the same thing the asker is going through at the time
09:05 < mateothegreat> well put Dagmar
09:05 < autopsy> Dexx1_, your EUID must be 0 now who knows.
09:05 < autopsy> Dexx1_, maybe it will finish.
09:05 < searedvandal> I'm sure a "turning it off and on again" would solve everything
09:05 < jim> otherwise I can try and guess, sometimes it works out
09:06 < Dexx1_> Been about 2 mins so far I think
09:06 < autopsy> Dexx1_, thats cutting it long man I swear.
09:06 < iodev> Dexx1_: the problem is with update-initramfs
09:06 < iodev> abort, and let's strace that
09:06 < autopsy> iodev++
09:06 < iodev> strace update-initramfs -u (as root)
09:06 < autopsy> Yeah good idea.
09:06 < Dexx1_> (BTW, I have no idea how this even happened, all I did originally did was 'sudo apt-get upgrade jekyll')
09:07 < autopsy> sudo apt-get upgrade jekyll
09:07 < autopsy> I'll remember that.
09:07 < autopsy> Dexx1_, listen to iodev.
09:07 < pingfloyd> that's not really a valid command
09:07 < autopsy> He knows.
09:07 < Dexx1_> (listening)
09:07 < jim> in cases where I don't have direct experience, I ask a -lot- of questions, mostly to find out what the asker wants
09:07 < autopsy> No I mean read()
09:07 < Dexx1_> Yeah, it's a noob attempt at a command to upgrade (I just guessed it)
09:08 < searedvandal> have you run sudo apt-get upgrade at some earlier point, upgraded kernel without knowing, not rebooted and now you're trying to upgrade kernel again?
09:08 < autopsy> It upgrading your kernel man lol.
09:08 < pingfloyd> you run apt-get upgrade (no pkg arguments)
09:08 < iodev> pingfloyd: so it ignores that final argument, right?
09:08 < iodev> in his case, I mean
09:08 < jim> Dexx1_, apt/aptitude/apt-get, those commands can download stuff, dpkg doesn't
09:08 < pingfloyd> it actually ran that and it didn't complain?
09:08 < autopsy> searedvandal, could be initrd version is the same or newer yeah?
09:09 < pingfloyd> iodev: which final argument?
09:09 < iodev> the package name
09:09 < iodev> nope, pingfloyd, it's valid
09:09 < pingfloyd> iodev: I assume so
09:09 < autopsy> I figured it would show the usage() on an unknown command.
09:09 < autopsy> Package Name that is.
09:09 < iodev> I just ran: sudo apt-get upgrade vim, and it does exactly what Dexx1_ wanted to do
09:09 < Dexx1_> iodev: stuck at clone(child_stack=0, flags=CLONE_CHILD_CLEARTID|CLONE_CHILD_SETTID|SIGCHLD, child_tidptr=0x7f5358c9b9d0) = 17308 wait4(-1,
09:09 < pingfloyd> autopsy: that's what I would think
09:09 < Dexx1_> Do you need me to pastebin a bigger portion?
09:10 < iodev> Dexx1_: yes
09:10 < Dagmar> Now you see why the newspaper & microscope analogy
09:10 < autopsy> Dexx1_, thats good information so far.
09:10 < pingfloyd> so if it runs that command, does it trying to just only upgrade that one package?  That's usually not going to be good at all.
09:10 < iodev> pingfloyd: yeah, it only upgrades that one package
09:10 < autopsy> pingfloyd, no he wanted to update jekyll only.
09:10 < iodev> and all it's dependencies
09:11 < autopsy> Dependencies see.
09:11 < iodev> pingfloyd: and if the package is not installed, it installs it
09:11 < autopsy> Got ya.
09:11 < pingfloyd> iodev: sounds like an opening for breakage
09:11 < pingfloyd> iodev: what about reverse dependencies?
09:11 < autopsy> Yeah that should be a bug.
09:11 < Dexx1_> Here we go: https://pastebin.com/raw/MXt07nTA
09:11 < autopsy> Dexx1_, pastebin the strace output.
09:12 < pingfloyd> arch for example strongly discourages against (and doesn't support) partial upgrades
09:12 < iodev> pingfloyd: not sure it does that
09:12 < iodev> it's a valid command, but it's a dangerous one
09:13 < pingfloyd> then maybe it was what cause this whole snafu for him
09:13 < iodev> Dexx1_: we tried everything, what I suggest now is a clean reinstall
09:13 < iodev> and never using sudo apt-get upgrade <package name> again just sudo apt-get upgrade (for global upgrade)
09:14 < pingfloyd> or apt-get install pkg...
09:14 < pingfloyd> one or the other
09:14 < Dexx1_> Why should I do a clean re-install if everyday programs / OS is working? X_x
09:14 < pingfloyd> or both, but separately
09:14 < iodev> Dexx1_: because your update-initramfs is broken
09:15 < iodev> and the initramfs is a core part of the kernel
09:15 < autopsy> Kits after /bin/sync call.
09:15 < iodev> I mean it contains modules
09:15 < iodev> that are loaded
09:15 < iodev> you need it working right, if you want to get updates, or be able to install packages, Dexx1_
09:15 < pingfloyd> makes you wonder if it's really a tip of the iceberg
09:16 < searedvandal> do a reboot and try the dpkg configure thing again. if it still fails. I second the clean reinstall suggestion
09:16 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you could rm your initrd* and try again. apt-get reinstall kernel-generic
09:16 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you could rm your initrd* and try again. apt-get reinstall linux-generic
09:16 < iodev> autopsy: yeah, I second that!
09:16 < autopsy> iodev, cause who needs a duiplicate initrd laying there?
09:17 < iodev> also remove System.map
09:17 < autopsy> System.map too.
09:17 < Dexx1_> k, what am I doing again next?
09:17 < autopsy> Dexx1_, we can fix it just hang tight.
09:18 < Dexx1_> k
09:18 < Dagmar> pingfloyd: Oh I'm sure there's an iceberg
09:18 < autopsy> Dexx1_, rm your initrd files in /boot pertaining to the kernel version that is stuck on. Not all of them.
09:18 < autopsy> rm = remove
09:18 < iodev> Dexx1_: cause if you remove all of them, bye-bye booting
09:18 < throwthecheese> What format does mapscrn use for setting the character maps?
09:19 < autopsy> Dexx1_, the one is initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
09:19 < Dexx1_> My /boot is: https://pastebin.com/raw/nncZr2nu
09:19 < autopsy> Dexx1_, remove that one and try to remove System.map too.
09:20 < searedvandal> throwthecheese, "The mapscrn command can read the map in either of two formats: 1. 256 or 512 bytes binary data 2. two-column text file "
09:20 < autopsy> Dexx1_, remove the initrd 38 and 41 all of those.
09:21 < autopsy> Dexx1_, rm /boot/initrd.img*38* /boot/initrd.img*41*
09:22 < throwthecheese> I have a Python script that helps the initscripts and there is an option to specify what character map should the system use
09:22 < autopsy> Dexx1_, remove those it asks for .Say y.
09:22 < autopsy> throwthecheese, doesn't the kernel already do that?
09:22 < throwthecheese> For Hungarian, it's lat-2a16/8859-2 and hu_HU.utf8
09:23 < throwthecheese> I want to know how can I specify EUJ
09:23 < throwthecheese> *EUC-JP
09:23 < autopsy> Dexx1_, once you remove them do apt-get install linux-image I guess.
09:23 < autopsy> Dexx1_, see what that does for you.
09:23 < Dexx1_> just did: rm /boot/initrd.img*38* /boot/initrd.img*41*
09:24 < throwthecheese> If I put EUC-JP in the non-Unicode field, I get this error from mapscrn: couldn't find __EUC-JP__ character map
09:24 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok show me /boot contents just to be sure.
09:25 < Dagmar> It shouldn't be halting when trying to replace an initrd image
09:26 < autopsy> Dagmar, it was stuck on a sync read it seems but there was dpkg-bak files for 38 and 41 of his initrds.
09:26 < Dagmar> I'll hint again... disks that are full or currently unwriteable are very bad
09:26 < autopsy> Dagmar, maybe his disk is full yoiu're right too.
09:26 < autopsy> Dexx1_, is your damn disk full?
09:27 < Dagmar> ...or if his controller is throwing intermittent errors, it could be non-writeable.  Some simple echo "foo" > testfile.txt checks might be in order
09:27 < autopsy> Its stuck in a wait4() call.
09:27 < autopsy> After a read() on /usr/bin/sync
09:27 < autopsy> Its trying hard though.
09:28 < Dexx1_> Wait, what am I doing next again? iodev / autopsy ?
09:28 < Dexx1_> (after deleting the initrd)
09:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, SHOW US THE CONTENTS OF /boot/ again.
09:29 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you had dpkg-bak initrds in there.
09:29 < Dexx1_> autopsy: https://pastebin.com/raw/ZzmeRxB2
09:29 < autopsy> Backups of dpkg initramfs files.
09:30 < autopsy> Dexx1_, excellent now try apt-get update jekyll without sudo though.
09:30 < autopsy> Dexx1_, echo $EUID
09:30 < Dexx1_> autopsy: so: apt-get upgrade jekyll ?
09:30 < autopsy> Dexx1_, first echo $EUID
09:31 < autopsy> See what it outputs should be 0
09:31 < Dexx1_> EUID = 1001
09:31 < autopsy> Oh see.
09:31 < autopsy> I knew it.
09:31 < autopsy> Dexx1_, no dont run anything until you can use su - root
09:31 < iodev>  Dexx1_ just reinstall
09:31 < autopsy> Or it'll just happen again guaranteed.
09:31 < Dexx1_> I'd rather attempt to fix that re-install
09:32 < Dexx1_> That's going to set me back a lot of time with work etc :/
09:32 < pingfloyd> keep your data
09:32 < autopsy> Dexx1_, fix it using su - root
09:32 < Dexx1_> Maybe I need to get a macbook next year
09:32 < pingfloyd> you backup the important stuff right?
09:32 < iodev> Dexx1_: I know ... but you see sometimes stuff breaks so badly just keep the home partition
09:32 < iodev> I hope you have a home partition separate or else
09:32 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: how is having a macbook going to fix this?
09:32 < autopsy> Backup using rsync dd and scp to an online host.
09:32 < Dexx1_> Yeah, but I don't have extra hard drives to backup -> copy -> reinstall -> copy again
09:33 < pingfloyd> maybe that kind of thinking is what caused it
09:33 < iodev> Dexx1_: use google drive, use onedrive
09:33 < iodev> use anydrive
09:33 < autopsy> Anydrive lol.
09:33 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: uhm, lack of needing command line to upgrade software? lack of the entire computer breaking easily?
09:33 < iodev> autopsy: anydrive doesn't exist I mean use any drive
09:33 < autopsy> Dexx1_, Linux is hard to break like this.
09:33 < autopsy> iodev yeah any for real.
09:33 < Dexx1_> But apparently I did :/
09:34 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: I guess that's fine if you don't mind depending on apple to spoon feed you everything and being stuck in their value added upgrade paths.
09:34 < autopsy> iodev I just rsync -av / /home/autopsy/Backup today.
09:34 < iodev> hmm, when I backup, I use clonezilla!
09:34 < iodev> actually I have to do that today
09:34 < pingfloyd> e.g., you upgrade a program to find out you need to upgrade the OS which in turn requires you to buy a new mac.
09:34 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: politics aside, as someone who just need stuff to work to get work done, I've rarely heard those things break from people who use them (at least the 20-30 Ive talked to)
09:34 < autopsy> Clone Zilla Can't talk to her can't kill her. !!
09:34 < Dexx1_> iodev: what's the su thing we are doing?
09:35 < pingfloyd> stuck in the Apple Walled Garden racket.
09:35 < chchjesus> Have any of you guys contributed to the kernel?
09:35 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: it's not just about politics
09:35 < iodev> chchjesus: small patch, one-liner
09:35  * pnbeast snatches the mocha latte grande venti misto from pingfloyd's hand and the turtleneck from his back.
09:35 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: it's about having some entity control you
09:35 < autopsy> mksquashfs bug here memmove instead of memcpy in mksquashfs 4.1
09:36 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: it's a fact of life that we are all someones bitch :)
09:36 < autopsy> No wai.
09:36 < chchjesus> iodev: neat. How many submissions did it take for your patch to be accepted?
09:36 < storge> Dexx1_: logical fallacy
09:36 < iodev> chchjesus: 2/3
09:36 < autopsy> Dexx1_, su - root
09:36 < iodev> and a few months
09:36 < pnbeast> Dexx1_, how'd you like a job working for me?  It sounds like you have the right outlook.
09:37 < storge> exactly
09:37 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: thinking like that a person always will be.
09:37 < autopsy> Dexx1_, do sudo passwd root first. Then change the password you have to.
09:37 < chchjesus> I see
09:37 < iodev> chchjesus: when you resubmit use [PATCH v2]
09:37 < iodev> or else the maintainer will miss it
09:37 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: also, just because you can't be free of all tyrants, doesn't mean you can't be free from the ones you have a say in.
09:37 < autopsy> Dexx1_, got that?
09:37 < iodev> and not see it I submitted with exactly same title, and then he didn't get it chchjesus
09:38 < autopsy> Dexx1_, your EUID is 1001 cause you were using sudo.
09:38 < iodev> fianlly I mailed Linus :D then some guy at intel merged it into linux-next and sooooo on
09:38 < autopsy> iodev thats good.
09:38 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: pnbeast storge - how is that a logical fallacy? At the most macro level, short of suicide or moving to Antarctica, our lives are all constrained by governments, IRS and corporations in _some manner_. It's part of the machine and there's no way I know of to completely opt out.
09:38 < autopsy> pingfloyd, so whats up man?
09:39 < iodev> now the 04ca:3015 bluetooth is working from 4.16 and up!
09:39 < storge> pingfloyd Dexx1_ the entire point of a boycott is to cast an ethical or moral vote on the coduct of another, peacefully, and it's why monopolies are anathema to freedom. to cast it all aside with "we're all someone's bitch" is craven.
09:39 < iodev> (kernel version I mean)
09:39 < pingfloyd> it's also defeatist
09:39 < Dexx1_> autopsy: su works :)
09:39 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok check echo $EUID
09:39 < autopsy> Dexx1_, needs to return 0
09:39 < chchjesus> iodev: I'd be afraid to email linus directly :P
09:39 < pnbeast> Dexx1_, I support your view of life!  I can maybe pay you, say, $2.50 per hour.
09:39 < storge> Dexx1_: another logicall fallacy. no one said you have to completely opt out of anything.
09:40 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: I can still be aware of it and not be a defeatist :) I'd say I am a rational optimist. See: https://www.amazon.com/Rational-Optimist-Prosperity-Evolves-P-s-ebook/dp/B003QP4BJM
09:40 < pingfloyd> good thing there will always be plenty of "stubborn fools" in this world.
09:40 < autopsy> Fools are off topic here.
09:40 < storge> pnbeast: i'll raise you -75c to 1.5$ an hour. doubleplusgood
09:40 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: I think of myself as a romantic realist
09:40 < autopsy> Oh god.
09:40 < searedvandal> moving to antarctica would make your life more constrained than it is today.
09:40 < Dexx1_> pnbeast: You are $97.50 short my friend :)
09:40 < autopsy> Were trying to fix this initrd problem here.
09:40 < pnbeast> storge, apparently there's a book about 'em, so there's no point in getting in a bidding war.
09:41 < Dexx1_> autopsy: I'm still listening to you :)
09:41 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok good news then.
09:41 < autopsy> Dexx1_, echo $EUID needs to return 0.
09:41 < Dexx1_> autopsy: yup, 0 indeed
09:42 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok great!
09:42 < autopsy> Dexx1_, now apt-get update jekyll
09:42 < Dexx1_> storge: also, instead of saying 'logical fallacy', you should actually identify the logical fallacy and tell me what it is ;)
09:42 < littl> what are the types of dot files or profiles files available in linux
09:42 < littl> and what are the precedences?
09:42 < autopsy> What is a logical fallacy anyways?
09:42 < Dexx1_> autopsy: E: The update command takes no arguments
09:43 < Dexx1_> autopsy: is that a serious question? Re: Logical fallacy or you being sarcastic?
09:43 < pnbeast> littl, well, there's the little ones, and the big ones, and the purple ones.  Some people claim there are blue ones, but I haven't seen any documentation to support this.
09:43 < pingfloyd> I wouldn't know the taxonomy of most logical fallacies (my memory isn't that great), but I know when I hear/read something that has broken logic.
09:43 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok just apt-get update then I guess.
09:43 < pingfloyd> not necessarily pertaining to this, just in general
09:43 < littl> pnbeast: could you tell me the dot files or profiles that gets loaded when a linux machine is started
09:44 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I don't know what the fuzz this is all about!
09:44 < pnbeast> littl, putting a dot in front of a filename is a common practice with various configuration files.  There's no formal list of any/all of them.  What?
09:44 < searedvandal> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
09:44 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: Saying "...your honor, I know a bad argument when I hear one! Therefore, the prosecution is wrong!.." is not a counter-argument. One must, explain their reasoning on WHY the argument is flawed first.
09:44 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: usually the honor is good at spotting them on their own
09:44 < Dexx1_> autopsy: lol we are just having a friendly conversation on the side while we fix this :)
09:44 < pingfloyd> i.e., they already throw out any illogical arguments
09:45 < autopsy> Dexx1_, cool.
09:45 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: you might not be aware of the fact that 90%+ of the cases in the U.S are plea bargains with no judge doing a full trial
09:45 < Dexx1_> autopsy: apt-get update running, one sec.
09:45 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok let me see some terminal output on a pastebin.
09:46 < littl> to reframe the question: what are the config files that gets sources when we enter a shell ?
09:46 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: what does that have to do with it?
09:46 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I'll follow it all the way to update-initramfs if I have to.
09:46 < searedvandal> autopsy, shouldn't he run the apt-get upgrade too? not just update?
09:46 < autopsy> littl, /etc/profile /etc/bashrc
09:46 < pnbeast> littl, that depends on your shell (and maybe your mods to the default files).
09:47 < autopsy> searedvandal, update upgrade I think so yes.
09:47 < Dexx1_> autopsy: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/hGnSJPzwvd/
09:47 < littl> autopsy: how about ~/.bashrc does that come 3rd ?
09:47 < pnbeast> littl, also, note that if you're starting a shell, then your machine has probably booted "a long time ago".
09:47 < pingfloyd> normally your do: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
09:47 < searedvandal> yes
09:47 < pingfloyd> then you apt-get install whatever
09:47 < autopsy> littl, yes. And .bash_profile
09:47 < pingfloyd> not sure why he's doing it this way
09:47 < searedvandal> ^
09:48 < littl> pnbeast: i use vagrant.. i destroy the box and recreate when needed
09:48 < littl> autopsy: how about config files related to login? does anything gets initialized before /etc/profile?
09:48 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: I was alluding to the irony that you yourself used a fallacy (Strawman, See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). I asked you to provide a valid counter-argument and you said "usually the honor is good at spotting them on their own" by deflecting my original question :)
09:49 < pnbeast> littl, thank you, that's an excellent example of a non sequitur and I'll try to remember it in the future when someone asks me for one.
09:49 < autopsy> littl .hushlogin and /etc/motd
09:49 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: that was a valid counter argument.  I addressed it.
09:50 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, do 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' without the ''. apt-get update alone will do nothing towards trying to fix your issue.
09:51 < autopsy> searedvandal, it won't fix it it'll pass it.
09:51 < autopsy> searedvandal, he needs to pass the mkinitramfs stage.
09:51 < pingfloyd> apt-get update makes sure your package index is up to date
09:51 < searedvandal> apt-get update will only update the package list
09:51 < autopsy> Yeah.
09:51 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: You said my original point about how we are all someone's bitch is a logical fallacy. Then I asked you to explain why. Then you said "...I don't know a list of fallacies, but I know when I see one!.." to which I replied "...Saying an argument is bad is not a counter argument, one must explain WHY with their reasoning.." to which YOU replied "..usually the judge does a good job.." -- nowhere did you explain WHY or provide a
09:51 < autopsy> searedvandal, and all the packages on the system.
09:51 < autopsy> Including kernel.
09:51 < searedvandal> no
09:52 < Dexx1_> autopsy: so is it good to run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' by searedvandal ?
09:52 < searedvandal> update only updates package list
09:52 < searedvandal> upgrade updates the packages
09:52 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: somebody else said it was a logical fallacy.  I think they're right though.
09:52 < V7> Hey all
09:52 < pnbeast> V7, even me?
09:52 < storge> Dexx1_: i've already seen you moving the goalposts, appealing to tradion / default bias, right from the start. so it's a bit rich for you to be posting a link to logical fallacy. congratulations, i've lost any respect for you.
09:52 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: again, saying "I think they're right" is not a counter-argument. Unless you can explain why, I rest my case.
09:52 < searedvandal> so to see if he clear the mkinitramfs stage, apt-get upgrade needs to be run
09:52 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yes apt-get upgrade
09:53 < V7> Can't install KDE Neon 5.12 which is new
09:53 < Dexx1_> storge: Obtaining respect from a stranger on IRC is not even in the top 100 of my life's priorites, thankfully.
09:53 < psyk3d> so whats the off topic today? :P
09:53 < Dexx1_> autopsy: k
09:53 < storge> Dexx1_: good. it makes you a more convincing liar to yourself.
09:53 < autopsy> Logical Fallacies.
09:53 < Dexx1_> autopsy: E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
09:53 < psyk3d> I see a lot of muh logical fallacies thrown around
09:53 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: yours would fall under false dichotomy
09:53 < V7> Can't install this one https://files.kde.org/neon/images/neon-useredition/current/neon-useredition-20180607-1021-amd64.iso
09:54 < V7> 1. An installation goes about 2-3 hours!
09:54 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok run that dpkg --configure -a
09:54 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, then run the dpkg --configure -a and paste the output
09:54 < V7> At the end it says an installation wizard has been crashed
09:54 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yes paste the output for us.
09:54 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: autopsy --output is the same: stuck on update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
09:54 < Dexx1_> (not sure if it will finish)
09:55 < autopsy> Just let it do its thing hopefully it wont stay.
09:55 < V7> Tells to report with ubuntu-but (apport) ubiquity, but when I'm executing it, it says This is not an official KDE package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
09:55 < V7> What the heck ? I've downloaded it from their official site and now ubuntu-bug says it's not official
09:55 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I'm almost out of ideas I'm on Fedora.
09:55 < Dexx1_> autopsy: "almost" gives me hope
09:55 < autopsy> V7 thats Ubuntu for you.
09:56 < autopsy> See what trouble it is?
09:56 < searedvandal> the neon usereditions are probably not official
09:56 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yes I'm not dry yet.
09:57 < autopsy> searedvandal, I didn't know that about update vs upgrade thank you.
09:57 < searedvandal> just reboot and run the dpkg --configure -a again if it fails. if that doesn't help, reinstall. reboot is always the answer in it support. spent years telling customers to reboot :p
09:58 < autopsy> searedvandal, yeah but then his uptime will suffer.
09:58 < storge> searedvandal: in windowsland?
09:58 < searedvandal> storge, good guess
09:58 < autopsy> systemd is the schnazz though.
09:59 < autopsy> I like systemd.
09:59 < searedvandal> systemd isn't all that bad
09:59 < V7> autopsy: What do you mean ?
09:59 < V7> Also, the dmesg https://hastebin.com/masiwoqewo.sql
10:00 < iflema> is it modular....
10:00 < storge> "isn't all that bad" is not much of an argument for.
10:00 < lupine> it's an improvement on what came before. much like pulseaudio in that sense
10:00 < Dexx1_> autopsy: ok, I think this one failed too
10:00 < Dexx1_> (still the same thing)
10:00 < V7> This screen has appeared: https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0576/04/1479673981094.png
10:01 < searedvandal> storge, true. but not really against either.
10:01 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok.
10:01 < pingfloyd> more of a regression
10:01 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: probability that the machine won't boot when I try to reboot?
10:01 < lupine> lol
10:02 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, it's a coin toss. but the risk is higher than if you hadn't had this problem
10:02 < autopsy> Dexx1_, don't choose 41 or 38 kernel versions in the boot menu and it will boot still.
10:03 < pingfloyd> you should already have a contingency for that in place
10:03 < searedvandal> always have a live usb on hand
10:03 < autopsy> Yeah you should already have backups of dpkg cache.
10:03 < pingfloyd> hate to burst you bubble.  Same goes with a mac.
10:03 < autopsy> I have a Fedora LiveDVD
10:04 < autopsy> LiveDVD are the schnazz too.
10:04 < searedvandal> autopsy, an actual dvd disc?
10:04 < autopsy> Fedora no less.
10:04 < searedvandal> cool
10:04 < autopsy> YES.
10:04 < searedvandal> haven't seen one of those in years
10:04 < autopsy> An optical DVDRW drive I got.
10:04 < searedvandal> not bad
10:04 < autopsy> Yeah.
10:04 < autopsy> It works off the LiveDVD live.
10:05 < pingfloyd> I always keep around something bootable on some usb stick
10:05 < storge> autopsy: what's the problem in question, a couple of bad kernels?
10:05 < autopsy> USB sticks are bootable too.
10:05 < storge> pingfloyd: likewise. multiple actually.
10:05 < Dexx1_> autopsy: ok what are we testing next?
10:05 < searedvandal> same here. keep one in my wallet at all times and a few spread around the house
10:05 < pingfloyd> grml is pretty much my goto image these days
10:05 < autopsy> storge, apt-get upgrade sits in wait4() call on update-initramfs for package linux-generic
10:05 < storge> pingfloyd: me too.
10:06 < autopsy> storge in a %post script.
10:06 < V7> Could anyone help with installing an operating system ?
10:06 < pingfloyd> seems like it always has me covered for practically any emergency
10:06 < storge> autopsy: same result when the step is run manually?
10:06 < pingfloyd> even if say you just got around a crappy live image of ubuntu, you still can apt-get install whatever you need if you've got enough memory to spare.
10:06 < autopsy> V7 which OS??
10:06 < storge> pingfloyd: i've used it to rescue data from several computers. one of them was mine
10:07 < autopsy> storge haven't tried it yet with strace.
10:07 < autopsy> Dexx1_, run locate update-initramfs and execute that script by hand.
10:08 < storge> it's in /usr/sbin/ in debian
10:08 < autopsy> Dexx1_, kill all your apt-get sessions though first.
10:08 < searedvandal> update-initramfs -u
10:09 < autopsy> /usr/sbin/update-initramfs -u
10:09 < V7> An installtaion just crashes and lapse 2-3 hours or more!
10:09 < V7> autopsy: KDE Neon 5.12.5
10:09 < autopsy> V7 no sorry.
10:09 < Dexx1_> autopsy: how do I kill all apt-get sessions? and make sure?
10:09 < storge> V7: are you running out of storage space?
10:09 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ps ax | grep apt-get
10:09 < searedvandal> I believe updating the existing initramfs is what you want to do in this case autopsy ?
10:10 < autopsy> searedvandal, yes but for a non running kernel I think.
10:10 < searedvandal> yeah
10:10 < autopsy> Need to check uname -a
10:10 < storge> so -k i think
10:10 < autopsy> -k whats that?
10:10 < storge> -u is for current system isn't it?
10:10 < autopsy> Oh maybe lolz.
10:10 < storge> Options:
10:10 < storge>  -k version     Specify kernel version or 'all'
10:10 < storge>  -u             Update an existing initramfs
10:10 < autopsy> -k all
10:11 < V7> uname -k invalid option
10:11 < autopsy> update-initramfs -k all
10:11 < Dexx1_> autopsy: just see: 32321 pts/4    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto apt-get
10:11 < storge> no that wasn't for you V7
10:11 < storge> V7: do:  uname -r
10:11 < storge> Dexx1_: then no apts are running
10:11 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok they are all dead.
10:11 < Dexx1_> k
10:11 < Dexx1_> cool
10:11 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you are seeing the grep call.
10:11 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: ps aux | grep [a]pt-get
10:11 < Dexx1_> gotcha
10:11 < storge> you can even eliminate that one result line with: ps aux | grep [a]pt
10:12 < storge> lol pingfloyd
10:12 < Dexx1_> autopsy: also: /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs
10:12 < searedvandal> great mind
10:12 < autopsy> storge oh really?
10:12 < searedvandal> s
10:12 < pingfloyd> (filter out your grep command itself)
10:12 < storge> yes
10:12 < V7> storge: No, 20G are left
10:12 < storge> ^
10:12 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yes run that script with -k all
10:12 < storge> V7: so uname -r tells you the currently running (booted) kernel version
10:12 < pingfloyd> Ancient Chinese Secret
10:12 < Dexx1_> autopsy: with sudo or su?
10:13 < autopsy> Booted yes.
10:13 < autopsy> Dexx1_, su only.
10:13 < autopsy> Dexx1_, EUID is 0 with su.
10:13 < storge> is Dexx1_ running as su or su -  (and would it matter)
10:13 < pingfloyd> storge: don't you love when people say, "gotta use pgrep!"
10:13 < autopsy> pkill and pgrep is cool. moreutils is cool.
10:13 < storge> pingfloyd: pgrep is so easy. and low info.
10:13 < pingfloyd> storge: except they fail to realize pgrep isn't nearly as pervasive and universal as ps
10:14 < Dexx1_> autopsy: root@android-pixel:/home/dilanka# /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs -k all gives permission denied?
10:14 < autopsy> ps ax | grep is what  I use.
10:14 < V7> storge: Oh. So, what do you think ? Why it tells that it crashed ?
10:14 < V7> dmesg: https://hastebin.com/masiwoqewo.sql
10:14 < searedvandal> just run update-initramfs -k all
10:14 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok chmod 755 /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs
10:14 < storge> autopsy: i think Dexx1_ is trying to run the package. in debian, the executable is at /usr/sbin/update-initramfs, the package is at /var/lib/
10:14 < searedvandal> shouldn't need to specify the path since its already in sbin
10:15 < storge> oh triggers
10:15 < autopsy> Dexx1_, just chmod 755 the script.
10:15 < autopsy> Dexx1_, 755 is rwx rx and rx
10:16 < [[thufir]]> a bootable partition is required, correct?
10:16 < autopsy> Run it under su - root with -k all
10:16 < storge> root@T520-debian:~# /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs -k
10:16 < storge> -bash: /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs: Permission denied
10:16 < storge> root@T520-debian:~# update-initramfs -u
10:16 < storge> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.17.0-storge-ndb
10:16 < storge> root@T520-debian:~#
10:16 < autopsy> [[thufir]], of course.
10:16 < searedvandal> yeah, no need for any path
10:16 < autopsy> storge ok.
10:16 < searedvandal> its a valid commad
10:16 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you have one in /usr/sbin/already.
10:17 < sauvin> pingfloyd++ # "pervasive"
10:17 < storge> heh, i kinda like /usr/sbin/already  ...is there an already command? there should be
10:17 < Dexx1_> autopsy: /var/lib/dpkg/triggers/update-initramfs: line 1: initramfs-tools: command not found
10:17 < storge> Dexx1_: leave off the /var/lib/dpkg/triggers
10:17 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, just do 'update-initramfs -k all'
10:18 < Dexx1_> k
10:18 < storge> ^
10:18 < autopsy> Dexx1_, just do 'update-initramfs -k all'
10:18 < wadadli> man batter die so quick on the t470ps...
10:18 < Dexx1_> You must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d.
10:18 < storge> without the path, you'll be actually running the one that lives happily in /usr/sbin
10:18 < autopsy> man batter die thats a good progtram.
10:18 < Dexx1_> autopsy: is it all -k?
10:18 < autopsy> Dexx1_, -k all
10:18 < searedvandal> at this point a reinstall and reconfiguring of a fresh install would already been done.
10:18 < storge>  -k version     Specify kernel version or 'all'
10:18 < storge>  -c             Create a new initramfs
10:18 < storge>  -u             Update an existing initramfs
10:19 < Dexx1_> autopsy: I get You must specify at least one of -c, -u, or -d.
10:19 < storge> so maybe -c needed also
10:19 < storge> -c -k all
10:19 < storge> perhaps
10:19 < autopsy> Dexx1_, use -c too
10:19 < storge> -d deletes existing ones
10:19 < autopsy> -c -k all
10:19 < storge> that might be required first, or sensible, i don't know that deep
10:19 < autopsy> storge me either unfortunately.
10:20 < searedvandal> ^
10:20 < storge> so -c -k all is saying: create new initramfs for all versions
10:20 < autopsy> We have %postinst scriptlets in RPM.
10:20 < autopsy> That run mkinitramfs and dracut.
10:20 < storge> -d -k all is saying: delete all initramfs for all versions
10:20 < storge> and -u likewise
10:20 < storge> -u -k all means: update initramfs for all versions
10:21 < autopsy> Dexx1_, say yes to the command too.
10:21 < Dexx1_> autopsy: update-initramfs -ck all is running
10:21 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok see you tomorrow.
10:21 < storge> there is also a -v option for potentially helpful error output
10:21 < Dexx1_> autopsy: at: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic --- how long should we wait?
10:21 < autopsy> Dexx1_, not too long 45 seconds.
10:21 < searedvandal> time to cross some fingers and toes
10:22 < storge> just remember, if this doesn't work, violence is the ultimate solution.
10:22 < searedvandal> violence fixes everything
10:22 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I wish violence werent the solution here but it really is.
10:22 < storge> including violence
10:22 < autopsy> Stop on Stop and Go!
10:23 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you should try Fedora though.
10:23 < autopsy> Dexx1_, Gnome 3.26 is niiiiice.
10:23 < searedvandal> haha, is that the answer here?
10:23 < autopsy> Yes using Fedora is the answer.
10:23 < autopsy> LOL
10:24 < pingfloyd> not a good one
10:24 < autopsy> No violence required.
10:24 < autopsy> Good for me.
10:24 < autopsy> Not for u.
10:24 < searedvandal> I'll just say it again, das reboot
10:24 < storge> i have heard good things about gnome lately, i thought the devs chased everyone off at v3
10:25 < searedvandal> gnome is alright
10:25 < storge> i know i couldn't tolerate it when i tried it, but i'm a *boxer so i tend to give full DEs the short shrift
10:25 < searedvandal> but I don't have modern enough hardware to be able to enjoy it fully
10:25 < lupine> 2->3 was mostly an improvement, although I regret the features lost in gedit
10:25 < well_laid_lawn> tilers > *
10:26 < pingfloyd> they should have to just kept on improving on gnome 1 this whole time
10:26 < searedvandal> xfce > *
10:26 < autopsy> gedit is cool.
10:26 < storge> well_laid_lawn: i pseudotile
10:26 < storge> pingfloyd: agreed
10:26 < pingfloyd> they keep starting over and taking a step back
10:26 < pingfloyd> and being more resource heavy with iteration
10:26 < lupine> major version bumps don't actually represent "starting over"
10:26 < autopsy> pingfloyd searedvandal Gnome 3.26 is a blast from out of nowhere.
10:27 < pingfloyd> how do they pull off less features requiring more resources.
10:27 < searedvandal> autopsy, how much of a resource hog is it?
10:27 < autopsy> I got it on a Core i5 2.50 GHz 4 processor machine here.
10:27 < storge> lupine: no but i read a lot of stories back then about gnome's direction and management running developers off the rails and making creators not want to support it
10:27 < autopsy> searedvandal, not much keeps the CPU at 7 % usage.
10:27 < storge> (at that time)
10:27 < pingfloyd> searedvandal: I like xfce also
10:28 < storge> pingfloyd: lol
10:28 < Dexx1_> autopsy: no luck :(
10:28 < storge> less features needing more resources is awesome
10:28 < sauvin> autopsy, "you", not "u".
10:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, it stuck like a pig eh?
10:28 < python2> if you think gnome is bad, try kde
10:28 < autopsy> Try KDe no. Not today.
10:28 < sauvin> python2, I've been using KDE for many, many years with no issue. :P
10:28 < python2> as for why, they made the mistake of doing js instead of lua
10:28 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok well I can't say I didn't try.
10:29 < autopsy> Javascript instead of Lua?
10:29 < python2> sauvin: the indexing server and phonon loves to eat all the ram and cpu ever
10:29 < storge> what about another package that creates initramfs?
10:29 < sauvin> python2, so kill them. I did.
10:29 < storge> what's in deb now, initramfs-tools i think? try dracut or something?
10:29 < autopsy> storge like what>?
10:29 < python2> autopsy: they put a js interpeter into the main ui thread, which is quite insane
10:29 < autopsy> python2, no doubt wicked.
10:29 < python2> sauvin: but then you don't have indexing and sound
10:30 < autopsy> storge yeah dracut and mkinitramfs
10:30 < python2> I like having both
10:30 < python2> plasma have had a  lot of other performance issues too
10:30 < storge> there's even tiny-initramfs but i have no experience with it
10:30 < python2> (and still do)
10:30 < storge> apt-cache search initramfs
10:30 < sauvin> Erm, well, maybe I didn't kill the sound thing because I'm listening to some Tschaikowski even as we speak. I killed the indexer, though.
10:30 < python2> and it is 2018 and phonon still isn't thread saf
10:30 < python2> safe*
10:31 < autopsy> killall pulseaudio
10:31 < Dexx1_> autopsy: thanks for your help :) and everyone
10:31 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: too
10:31 < python2> autopsy: only makes it worse
10:31 < Dexx1_> :/
10:31 < autopsy> Dexx1_, yeah no problemo.
10:31 < pingfloyd> gnome 1 was super light and highly configurable compared to later versions.
10:31 < python2> makes phonon highjack audio devices
10:31 < python2> (depending on the version)
10:31 < autopsy> RedHat version 9 was good.
10:31 < pingfloyd> why did they ever get away from that?
10:31 < pingfloyd> i.e., making a DE that is light and highly configurable
10:32 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, no problem. try the reboot and seriously consider a fresh reinstall. just remember to backup all your important stuff before you do
10:32 < autopsy> Dunno why man it is cause it is.
10:32 < storge> pingfloyd: feature creep. delusions of grandeur.
10:32 < autopsy> Granduer definitely.
10:32 < autopsy> Holier than thou.
10:32 < storge> autopsy: did you have him try to reinstall the initramfs tools themselves?
10:32 < pingfloyd> like systemd before systemd
10:32 < autopsy> storge no . I don't know the package names.
10:33 < storge> Dexx1_: still here?
10:33 < autopsy> pingfloyd, ring ring this is systemd Hello?
10:33 < Dexx1_> storge: yessir
10:33 < python2> gnome is much more configurable than you think, you can do *a lot* with the js interpeter
10:33 < storge> Dexx1_: apt-get install --reinstall --fix-broken initramfs-tools
10:33 < Dexx1_> storge: with sudo or inside su?
10:33 < storge> either i think
10:33 < pnbeast> Gnome includes a javascript interpreter?
10:33 < python2> Dexx1_: doesn't matter
10:33 < paulcarroty> gjs
10:33 < python2> Dexx1_: sidenote: sudo -i is a thing too
10:34 < Dexx1_> k
10:34 < Dexx1_> I didn't know about sudo -i till today
10:34 < autopsy> Wbhat the hell is sudo -i man?
10:34 < storge> i keep a terminal open sudo -i
10:34 < python2> don't sudo su, use sudo -i
10:34 < autopsy> I use sudo su - root
10:34 < storge> for ages, even though sudo -i is said to be deprecated, i like it an it works for me
10:34 < storge> i use su - when i am using su to root
10:34 < autopsy> Deprecated oh noes.
10:34 < pingfloyd> sudo -i is deprecated?!
10:34 < python2> storge: it is the oposite, if you have a really old system then -i might not exist
10:34 < storge> yes, DEPRECATED!!
10:35 < pingfloyd> what replaced it?
10:35 < autopsy> T hat blows.
10:35 < python2> or certain UNIX™ systems
10:35 < well_laid_lawn> I use su -
10:35 < autopsy> su - root
10:35 < Dexx1_> storge: 'apt-get install --reinstall --fix-broken initramfs-tools' says ---> 'E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.' and doing 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ----> gets stuck in the loop
10:35 < pingfloyd> su - is fine if you don't having to use root's password
10:35 < pingfloyd> *don't mind
10:36 < storge> stuck in a loop?
10:36 < python2> and don't want the fine grained control
10:36 < pingfloyd> an extra password to keep in memory though
10:36 < autopsy> Memory is such a burden.
10:36 < pingfloyd> memory and in your mind's
10:36 < autopsy> storge stuck on wait4()
10:37 < pingfloyd> computers were made so you don't have to remember anything
10:37 < autopsy> Mindful memory pages.
10:37 < python2> pingfloyd: could set up pam to use a keyfile/usb dongle/gpg card :p
10:37 < pingfloyd> python2: too much trouble
10:37 < autopsy> pingfloyd, it remembers everything I know.
10:37 < pingfloyd> python2: easier to just use sudo
10:37 < autopsy> python2, thats for secure shell.
10:37 < python2> nha, trivial to do, trouble would be to try to set up fp
10:37 < autopsy> fp whjats fp?
10:37 < python2> autopsy: I use u2f for normal system login too
10:38 < python2> local*
10:38 < autopsy> u2f?
10:38 < autopsy> Don't know what that is.
10:38 < autopsy> fp and u2f
10:38 < python2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_2nd_Factor
10:38 < python2> fp == fingerprint
10:38 < pingfloyd> It's good to have your root password stored somewhere safe though
10:38 < autopsy> oK OK I can't read right now.
10:38 < python2> https://www.yubico.com/solutions/fido-u2f/
10:38 < pingfloyd> in case you have an emergency where you lose sudo
10:39 < storge> pingfloyd: i store it on a billboard by a highway
10:39 < autopsy> pingfloyd, mine are variations of the same words.
10:39 < pingfloyd> storge: the hide in plain sight approach eh
10:39 < jim> can['t read? why not?
10:39 < python2> pretty nice, since it makes some atempts at checking the authenticity of the dongle used too
10:39 < autopsy> Hide this for me dude its my root password!
10:39 < storge> autopsy: i only share my password with the NSA. not that i want to.
10:39 < Dexx1_> storge: yeah this: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
10:39 < jim> your root password is... password?!
10:40 < Dexx1_> Everything ends with this in the loop: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic
10:40 < autopsy> jim eyes are getting blurry starting at this glowing keyboard.
10:40 < sauvin> "Here are the keys to my kingdom. Please keep them and it safe, and don't doink my daughter."
10:40 < autopsy> 41 and 38 are giving you problems Dexx1_
10:40 < Dexx1_> storge: 'apt-get install --reinstall --fix-broken initramfs-tools' says ---> 'E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.' and doing 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ----> 'update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic'
10:40 < storge> cool
10:40 < pingfloyd> give them to your banker.  You can trust him!
10:40 < storge> i recommend not booting that kernel
10:40 < autopsy> Dexx1_, thats it your dpkg is broken somehow.
10:40 < autopsy> Dexx1_, Use Fedora.
10:41 < Dexx1_> lol
10:41 < autopsy> Dont boot that 38 or 41 kernel though.
10:41 < autopsy> storge same advice i gave him.
10:41 < storge> apt-get install --reinstall --fix-broken dpkg    ??
10:42 < pingfloyd> your system sounds fubar
10:42 < autopsy> Yeah see if dpkg is broken.
10:42 < pingfloyd> and not foo bar
10:42 < storge> autopsy: especially with so many linux images out there
10:42 < autopsy> FU BAR LOLZ
10:42 < autopsy> storge well its educationOS or something Xenial.
10:42 < python2> FO SHO!
10:42 < autopsy> Hi tty.
10:42 < storge> autopsy: it's not debian?
10:42 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: were you mixing releases/dists?
10:42 < autopsy> storge no its ubuntu.
10:43 < storge> oh
10:43 < autopsy> He was apt-get upgrading the system.
10:43 < pingfloyd> that's okay, ubuntu is debian's special brother
10:43 < autopsy> Thej it got stuck.
10:43 < pingfloyd> actually more like offspring
10:43 < storge> right but, if he has mixed repos, massive craziness can occur at apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade
10:43 < autopsy> Dexx1_,  is in for a long night without a reinstall.
10:43 < pingfloyd> debian's bastard child
10:44 < autopsy> Offspring yep.
10:44 < autopsy> storge he had a lot of repos configured I saw.
10:44 < storge> does ubuntu come with a lot of repos? i thought it was a handful of ppas
10:44 < autopsy> A lot like 15
10:44 < pingfloyd> seems like people always run into big snafu problems in ubuntu
10:44 < storge> whhuuuut
10:44 < autopsy> Like 15
10:45 < autopsy> InRelease
10:45 < autopsy> pingfloyd, yep.
10:45 < storge> i can't speak to how many repos a stock ubuntu has, but if they aren't pinned right, trouble.
10:45 < pingfloyd> 15 sounds like too many
10:45 < searedvandal> shutdown -r now
10:45 < storge> 15 sounds like too many
10:45 < pingfloyd> like many third-party or mix of releases etc.
10:46 < storge> reboot, pick another kernel, hope you can boot, and remove spurious/optional/wrong repos
10:46 < pingfloyd> third-party are hit and miss
10:46 < pingfloyd> mixing releases is always a bad idea
10:46 < searedvandal> ubuntu is a lot like windows, reboot fixes everything
10:46 < autopsy> Mixing liquor is a bad idea.
10:46 < storge> if you ARE going to mix repos, read up on apt preferences and learn pin priority setting
10:46 < pingfloyd> just throwing that fyi out there
10:46 < python2> just don't mix
10:46 < autopsy> PINNING GOTYA
10:46 < searedvandal> don't mix and drive
10:47 < storge> man apt_preferences
10:47 < autopsy> man apt-get
10:47 < searedvandal> man fedora
10:47 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: what do you mean?
10:47 < python2> if you need something not in your release, build a package yourself against the libs you have etc
10:47 < autopsy> Fedora.1 found
10:47 < pingfloyd> I'd only resort to pinning in rare cases
10:47 < storge> or the apt howto in /usr/share/doc/apt-doc
10:47 < Dexx1_> autopsy: also, how do I make sure I don't boot into 38 or 41? Normally I don't pick kernels
10:47 < pingfloyd> there, you want to keep things minimal (don't dip from that well more than you have to).
10:48 < python2> Dexx1_: just select the correct one to boot into in your bootloader when you boot
10:48 < autopsy> Dexx1_, THE LAST ONE INSTALLED should be not 38 or 41 ok?
10:48 < storge> Dexx1_: your boot sequence, if sane, will pony up an option like ubuntu linux and then under that one something like advanced linux options or something
10:48 < python2> can also tell grub which entry to boot into on next boot
10:48 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I thiinnk you have a 42
10:48 < pingfloyd> maybe you need to type it for a 6th time
10:48 < storge> i have no idea how ubuntu does it
10:48 < autopsy> storge me either.
10:48 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, just reboot normally first. if it won't boot, press and hold shift, select the line advanced options and select recovery mode
10:49 < storge> searedvandal: thanks
10:49 < searedvandal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
10:49 < autopsy> Dexx1_, good to go.
10:49 < autopsy> searedvandal, how do you know so much about Ubuntu?
10:50 < searedvandal> no comment
10:50 < storge> i keep three kernels around: the latest distro default, and the most recent two versions i've compiled. i clear out the old/bad
10:50 < searedvandal> autopsy, I run ubuntu server on a couple of boxes and vps's
10:50 < bazhang> at least a spare is wise
10:50 < hangint3n> Can't believe I'm up at quarter to 5 in the morning. ugh!
10:50 < searedvandal> can't believe I'm up before 11am on a sunday
10:51 < pingfloyd> hangint3n: never stayed up for days?
10:51 < hangint3n> pingfloyd: yah, but I was a lot younger.
10:51 < autopsy> Stay up 4 days lol.
10:51 < storge> Dexx1_: did you mix repos?
10:51 < autopsy> Like me.
10:51 < autopsy> searedvandal, why Ubuntu? My hosting company uses Debian.
10:52 < storge> if i stayed up 4 days, i would need a ... you guessed it --an autopsy
10:52 < hangint3n> Use to play cards from friday to monday quite often.
10:52 < autopsy> storge oh bad play on my nick there bro.
10:52 < searedvandal> autopsy, because I've never had an issue running ubuntu server. its always been rock solid, so I choose it every time I set up a server box
10:52 < storge> Dexx1_: did you mix/add new repos in your ubuntu
10:52 < Dexx1_> storge: I don't recall
10:52 < autopsy> searedvandal, ok.
10:52 < autopsy> searedvandal, never need root I guess with it.
10:53 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: you should paste your sources.list
10:53 < searedvandal> autopsy, oh I got root alright
10:53 < autopsy> searedvandal, oh ok no big deal there.
10:53 < storge> Dexx1_: it's not a quick process, but some websites will advise to install and run their repo for their $whatever app
10:53 < autopsy> $whatever installed successfully.
10:53 < Dexx1_> storge: https://pastebin.com/raw/shZEUrH8 / pingfloyd
10:54 < searedvandal> autopsy, nah. I'm just of the mindset that if something works for me, why would I switch to something else. so until ubuntu screws me over I'm sticking with what works
10:54 < autopsy> searedvandal, good policy.
10:54 < autopsy> I use Fedora since RedHat 9.
10:54 < hangint3n> searedvandal: that is how I feel about my gentoo installs
10:54 < searedvandal> same with desktop os, I'm sticking with arch until it screws me over
10:54 < autopsy> Arch oh my.
10:55 < storge> Dexx1_: those look default to my un-ubuntu-trained eyes, but can someone else verify?
10:55 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: that seems ok as far as I can tell, anything else under sources.list.d?
10:55 < autopsy> I can't I'm on Fedora 27.
10:55 < pingfloyd> yeah those seem okay to my debian eyes
10:55 < storge> man, ubuntu has a lot of repos on a default system, if that's the case
10:55 < storge> cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
10:55 < autopsy> YEAH LIKE 15
10:56 < pingfloyd> storge: seems like most rpm dists do
10:56 < pingfloyd> storge: one of the things I don't like about them
10:56 < autopsy> Hi Guest5969
10:56 < searedvandal> autopsy, I had fedora on one of my laptops for a while. nothing wrong with it, worked great. I could see me running it on the main computer eventually if I get fed up with arch
10:56 < storge> i have 3: debian, debian security, buster updates.
10:56 < autopsy> pingfloyd, nah Fedora has 3.
10:56 < storge> searedvandal: oh you will
10:56 < pingfloyd> autopsy: but you need many other third-party ones
10:56 < autopsy> searedvandal, just get a 4 core processor machine.
10:57 < pingfloyd> autopsy: since they keep their repos pretty small
10:57 < autopsy> pingfloyd, not actually.
10:57 < searedvandal> autopsy, all I got are 2 core machines with hyperthreading
10:57 < autopsy> searedvandal, ok that will run Fedora.
10:57 < pingfloyd> try running fedora without rpmfusion
10:57 < autopsy> rpmfusion has VLC
10:57 < autopsy> I have rpmfusion.
10:57 < searedvandal> autopsy, main issue is memory. my windows laptop is the only box with more than 4gb of memory
10:58 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: https://pastebin.com/raw/ESw1vHTA
10:58 < autopsy> searedvandal, ok mem problems.
10:58 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: tons of stuff
10:58 < autopsy> Fedora does need memory.
10:58 < storge> tails? xenial? teamviewer?
10:58 < autopsy> See like 25 repos.
10:58 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: those look like a bunch of third-party repos
10:58 < storge> those are default ?
10:58 < pingfloyd> elementary?
10:58 < searedvandal> ah, elementary
10:58 < autopsy> A bunch.
10:58 < pingfloyd> isn't that a completely different dist?
10:59 < storge> those look like non-essential, and if ubuntu does apt-pinning like debian, who knows what those prefs are at.
10:59 < autopsy> Different yes.
10:59 < searedvandal> its ubuntu with a twist
10:59 < pingfloyd> should run 'apt-cache policy'
10:59 < searedvandal> so debians bastard grandchild
10:59 < autopsy> Oh noes not a twist of lemon.
10:59 < pingfloyd> see how they are all prioritized
11:00 < pingfloyd> debian's bastard frankensteined grandchild
11:00 < storge> if they're prioritized above ubuntu defaults, that's trouble waiting to happen.
11:00 < storge> you can reset prefs in /etc/apt/preferences  ... man apt_preferences to see how
11:01 < pingfloyd> can you just get rid of all those?
11:01 < pingfloyd> are they providing anything you can't live without for the moment?
11:01 < storge> try apt-cache policy like pingfloyd says, for some known package that might appear in both the ubuntu default repos and one of those aftermarket ones.
11:01 < storge> for now yes i would get rid of them, re-update, re-upgrade
11:02 < pingfloyd> otherwise, you could remove them all, run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, to try to restore sanity.
11:02 < storge> alternatively you can spend a bit more time to learn to pin them low
11:02 < storge> what pingfloyd said
11:02 < pingfloyd> (after you remove them)
11:02 < storge> though i'd add --fix-broken on the dist-upgrade (-f might work same)
11:03 < storge> i run --fix-broken at almost every apt step in my update script, just in case
11:03 < pingfloyd> I'd try that if a sane dist-upgrade doesn't do the trick
11:03 < pingfloyd> might require that to get through  that
11:03 < autopsy> He might be gone.
11:03 < Dexx1_> (Hard to see what I should do next by the way, please mention my Nick so I can see)
11:03 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you still with us? Haha.
11:03 < Dexx1_> autopsy: yeah, I just can't see properly without nick highlighting. Too much text
11:04 < autopsy> Yeah I know.
11:04 < autopsy> I thought I was losing you for a second back there.
11:04 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: it's pretty much been solely discussion about your issue for a while
11:04 < autopsy> Yeah.
11:04 < storge> apt-get update && apt-get check && apt-get upgrade -f && apt-get dist-upgrade -f && dpkg --configure -a && apt-get autoclean && apt-get autoremove -f && aptitude purge '~c'    ...is basically my daily script
11:04 < autopsy> Unknown b0rk.
11:04 < pingfloyd> probably should scroll back and see some of the suggestions
11:04 < storge> i just made it pretty with colorful echoes
11:05 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: did you mention to do something after listing sources.list.d?
11:05 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: yeah
11:05 < storge> i never have problems, but then i don't mix repos either. if i did, i'd pin them appropriately
11:05 < autopsy> PINNING IS KEY
11:05 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: which?
11:06 < bazhang> miking debian and ubuntu?
11:06 < bazhang> mixing
11:06 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: I was saying you could try removing all those repos under sources.list.d, then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade (i.e., now you're running against only the sane official repos).
11:06 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: if that gets things back to a sane state, then you can go back and try adding whatever you want to keep.
11:07 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: can I do a quick edit like change that list to .temp or something?
11:07 < bazhang> hope no PPA were in that
11:07 < pingfloyd> you source.list file seemed ok
11:07 < pingfloyd> it was all those file under source.list.d/ that are probably causing all sorts of problems
11:07 < pingfloyd> those files representing third-party and other unknown repos
11:07 < storge> what's the prefered image hosting nowadays? i used to use postimage, any better that anyone can recommend? I don't want the image downgraded
11:08 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: can I do 'mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d /etc/apt/sources.list.d.TEMP' ?
11:08 < storge> (like for posting a screenshot temporarily)
11:08 < python2> storge: google
11:08 < pingfloyd> storge: they all seem like a racket
11:08 < python2> if it is just temporary then use ptpb.pw
11:08 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: don't move the dir
11:08 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: move the files or something
11:08 < python2> google as in google drive/photo for persistent storage
11:09 < pingfloyd> Dexx1_: maybe moving the dir would be okay too
11:09 < python2> though works fine for temp too
11:09 < pingfloyd> I don't think it will kill apt if sources.list.d dir is missing, it will simply care about sources.list
11:12 < storge> the terminal on the left shows my daily apt script running, made slightly more appealing with some color echoes. https://postimg.cc/image/50ti3zwiv/
11:12 < Dexx1_> pingfloyd: moved the files...I mean, I still end up at 'update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic' no matter what
11:13 < python2> so you decided to go with a image host that ruins your image unless you enable 2 mb of js
11:13 < storge> i asked
11:13 < storge> you said google
11:13 < python2> storge: as in literal google
11:13 < iodev> python2: :D
11:13 < bazhang> perhaps he meant google drive
11:14 < python2> https://www.google.com/drive/  https://photos.google.com/
11:14 < iodev> guys, I gotta reboot
11:14 < python2> bazhang: I even explicitly mentioned them :p
11:14 < iodev> Important updates are pending
11:14 < searedvandal> yay, finally someone that does a reboot
11:14 < storge> iodev: then you better do what you gotta do
11:14 < mdh34> Dexx1_: perhaps try running update-initramfs -u -v for more info
11:14 < storge> iodev: unless i don't understand the question, are you just signalling a desire to reboot?
11:15 < pingfloyd> but your precious uptime!
11:15 < searedvandal> uptime are for people not patching their stuff
11:15 < storge> wow my uptime!! i've been up almost 24 hours
11:15 < python2> and as said, ptpb is nice for temp screenshots and the  like
11:15 < searedvandal> storge, almost time to sleep a bit then
11:15 < pingfloyd> I've been up for 2 hours an 15 minutes!
11:16 < iodev> storge: done!
11:16 < iodev> update installed
11:16 < pingfloyd> that's when I got home and plugged my laptop in
11:16 < storge> python2: https://ptpb.pw/ cool thanks i missed that
11:17 < storge> pingfloyd: that's why i rarely have an uptime over a day
11:17 < pingfloyd> storge: I think I'm missing out on HA
11:17 < searedvandal> I only got like 40h of uptime. that's when I did a fresh install
11:17 < storge> i tend not to hibernate, i just shut it down unless i know i'll be using it in a short while
11:18 < storge> but that's me, opinions vary
11:18 < pingfloyd> seems like hibernate is always hit and miss
11:18 < iodev> storge: no, I gotta reboot :D if I do not, it'll auto reboot
11:18 < pingfloyd> same with suspending
11:18 < Dexx1_> mdh34: rm: cannot remove '/boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic.dpkg-bak': Permission denied
11:19 < storge> is this windows? what's auto rebooting
11:19 < searedvandal> auto reboot? sounds like windows
11:19 < pingfloyd> storge: maybe it's a new rebootd for systemd
11:19 < storge> awesome
11:19 < danyspin97> is anyone using nftables with a custom kernel?
11:19 < searedvandal> my laptop's get shut down whenever they're not in use. the desktop just stays on all the time
11:20 < iodev> pingfloyd: I should have written that thing in another channel
11:20 < iodev> it's not really Linux specific
11:20 < pingfloyd> wonder what the date will be when LP unveils the windowsd component
11:20 < iodev> 4.4.0-17134-Microsoft #81-Microsoft Sun May 20 01:14:00 PST 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
11:20 < mdh34> Dexx1_ did you run as root?
11:20 < iodev> ^ uname -a
11:20 < searedvandal> wsl
11:20 < bazhang> pingfloyd, when they buy github
11:20 < storge> danyspin97: not yet, i was gonna nft on my next version compile, what's the issue?
11:20 < iodev> searedvandal: it's funny :D
11:20 < iodev> but don't worry I also got Xubuntu
11:21 < iodev> (real xubuntu, with a real Linux kernel, ext4)
11:21 < storge> pingfloyd: windowsd, the ultimate betrayal
11:21 < searedvandal> good :P
11:21 < storge> hooray for destroying the bazaar to bring forth the cathedral
11:21 < danyspin97> storge: `tcp dport { 22, 80 } accept` trigger an error while it works with a single port
11:21 < danyspin97> I've tried the same on arch and it works
11:21 < FMan> help
11:21 < iodev> FMan: how?
11:21 < storge> danyspin97: thanks, i'll keep an eye out
11:21 < pingfloyd> storge: it will be like WSL in reverse (LSW?)
11:21 < searedvandal> windowsd, that's when we don't have to use wine anymore
11:22 < FMan> what should I do about Postfix SMTP server having encountered errors from unknown?
11:22 < iodev> FMan: oh, good, postfix I do fix postfix
11:22 < storge> danyspin97: tried the same on arch? what does that mean, a non-custom kernel in arch?
11:22 < FMan> it's prolly a spammer trying to relay mail
11:22 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, how is your journey going?
11:22 < danyspin97> storge: the same nftable
11:22 < iodev> FMan: please pastebin postfix log
11:22 < storge> danyspin97: so what distro/kernel is it not working
11:23 < storge> a custom one?
11:23 < iodev> FMan: also, inspire your config from this: https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/81944/perfectly-secure-postfix-mta-smtp-configuration
11:23 < FMan> good old spameri@tiscali.it is the sender :)
11:23 < danyspin97> custom kernel on a musl-based distro is not working
11:23 < danyspin97> storge: ^^
11:23 < iodev> disable_vrfy_command = yes
11:23 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: mdh34 is trying some tricks :) but the journey has been mostly on a treadmill.
11:23 < FMan> ahem, it seems that somehow my hard drive has filled up
11:23 < Dexx1_> mdh34: running as root, doing matrix style scrolling :P
11:24 < Dexx1_> mdh34: gets stuck at the same spot: Building cpio /boot/initrd.img-4.13.0-41-generic.new initramfs
11:24 < iodev> pingfloyd: is windowsd a joke or is it real?
11:24 < pingfloyd> iodev: a joke
11:24 < iodev> pingfloyd: okay, I don't see the problems with systemd
11:24 < iodev> it's just philosophical
11:24 < pingfloyd> iodev: kind of sad how it's not hard to imagine it being real
11:25 < storge> iodev: windowsd is the logical terminus of Poettering's effort to destroy freedom
11:25 < acresearch> people, i am on xfce and suddenly the mouse if highlighting all terminal lines just when it hovers over them, how to stop that?
11:25 < iodev> and my philosophy is limited to "What works is good!"
11:25 < pingfloyd> iodev: could end up happening
11:25 < storge> iodev: bombs work to solve arguments. doesn't mean it's just.
11:25 < pingfloyd> not out of the realm of possibilities
11:25 < sleepyhead> acresearch: try a different mouse
11:25 < iodev> storge: they work ...
11:25 < sleepyhead> acresearch: looks like the button is stuck
11:25 < acresearch> sleepyhead: i am on a trackpad on a laptop
11:26 < sleepyhead> acresearch: try a usb mouse
11:26 < storge> you said what works is good. i suppose we differ greatly on the definition of good.
11:26 < acresearch> sleepyhead: its not the hardware it is the software, i think it is highlighting as if for accessibility, but there is nothing turned on there
11:26 < iodev> storge: :D I was referring to software
11:26 < iodev> I will use anything that gets the job done!
11:26 < sleepyhead> acresearch: ok idk what's going on
11:27 < iodev> and honestly I'm glad I'm able to have the Linux userspace on Windows, it made me stop hating it, I use both now :-) Linux and Windows ... like Linux Foundation says
11:27 < storge> iodev: i don't have a single problem that systemd solves, personally. so when it becomes optional, i have the luxury of looking at the functional ethical reasons of running it, and i can't find any. personally.
11:27 < acresearch> sleepyhead: i have been using xfce for 3 days now, and i am not sure but i think it is a very buggy DE, i am not sure i am supposed to tweek it, or it is intrinsically a buggy DE
11:28 < iodev> storge: honestly, I like OpenRC more than SystemD
11:28 < iodev> but that
11:28 < iodev> is solely based on preference
11:28 < storge> linux foundation is run by corporations, who never had an interest in the bazaar
11:28 < pingfloyd> acresearch: probably using a buggy version
11:28 < acresearch> pingfloyd: hmmm
11:28 < iodev> storge: do I look like a bazaar person?
11:28 < storge> and i will never forget all of Microsofts awful underhanded fraud around the Get The Facts and SCO v IBM days
11:28 < pingfloyd> acresearch: it sometimes has bugs, but they're usually fixed
11:29 < pingfloyd> iodev: then why even use linux?
11:29 < lesshaste> is there a png viewer that can easily rotate an image?
11:29 < iodev> pingfloyd: because it works on servers great, it's cost effective
11:29 < pingfloyd> iodev: why not just use Windows or MacOS at that point?
11:30 < sauvin> lesshaste, gwenview can do that, and I believe gthumb can.
11:30 < iodev> pingfloyd: because I absolutely like CLI (Command Line interfaces) and bash is cool :D
11:30 < lesshaste> sauvin, thanks.. let me see
11:30 < iodev> I can't wait for my BASH sticker from unixstickers to arrive :D
11:30 < storge> danyspin97: i don't know enough of nftables to say with any confidence what they should be set at, but have you checked that the kernel configs are the same? (at least in the CONFIG_NFT_*)
11:30 < lesshaste> sauvin, eog can't it seems
11:30 < storge> lesshaste: feh?
11:31 < pingfloyd> the big point of bothering with linux is that you have no masters.
11:31 < storge> pingfloyd: amen
11:31 < pingfloyd> i.e., you can do anything *you* want
11:31 < sauvin> Eh, for me, the "big point" is that Linux is full of toys to play with that I can afford.
11:31 < iodev> pingfloyd: I understand that, I ran gentoo/arch, but there is always that one piece of hardware that doesn't work quite right
11:31 < storge> iodev: like what
11:32 < lesshaste> storge, that works too .. thanks
11:32 < iodev> that one UI glitch that's very annoying, the lack of consistency in GUIs
11:32 < storge> lesshaste: i think feh image.png and then > or < rotates
11:32 < iodev> storge: gtk2 + gtk3 + qt4 + qt5, that's literally what I have on my Xubuntu 18.04 machine
11:32 < storge> (or the gui)
11:32 < chchjesus> dwm is all anyone ever needs /s
11:33 < danyspin97> storge: I enabled anything that seems required, I'll double check
11:33 < searedvandal> acresearch, I've used xfce for years and never had any major bugs with it. unfortunately never encountered your issue so don't have any suggestions to what could fix it.
11:33 < iodev> chchjesus: had it, switched to i3 after it
11:33 < iodev> used that for some time, back to windows
11:33 < chchjesus> iodev: Oh yeah I wasn't knocking it :p. I used it and then switched to awesomewm
11:33 < storge> danyspin97: it might be a pain on different machines but you could diff the config
11:33 < chchjesus> I want to go to i3
11:34 < iodev> chchjesus: awesomewm, I have vague memories of that, is the LUA one or the Hashell one :D
11:34 < danyspin97> storge: thank you ^^
11:34 < iodev> (yes, I spelled haskell wrong on purpose)
11:35 < iodev> storge: I left i3 because most programs were designed for floating
11:36 < iodev> I tried XFCE, it was too dull, KDE4 was too extreme
11:36 < storge> danyspin97: for the vague advice or did you find the problem?
11:36 < iodev> so, in the end, I went with GNU/NT :D
11:37 < danyspin97> storge: i just saw that nft is not updated in my distro, i'll try with the latest version and then diff the kernel config
11:37 < storge> ah, hope that works
11:37 < danyspin97> i hope it too
11:37 < danyspin97> the new utilities are a pain, (see iproute2 and nftables) mostly because there is no support at all
11:38 < storge> danyspin97: that's kinda what made me wait so far
11:38 < acresearch> searedvandal: that is unfortunate, i started to like xfce, but the amount of bugs i am facing makes it unusable, i am looking to either go back to gnome (even though i realy hate it - but it works) or searching to see maybe cinnamon (or something else that is simple but stable)
11:38 < storge> but i want to learn it at some point, prolly use it soon
11:39 < storge> acresearch: how simple? a simple full DE or a simple wm?
11:39 < acresearch> searedvandal: i am talking to the people in #xfce but they have not responded in like 24 hours (channel seems quite)
11:39 < danyspin97> storge: I'm always on the edge, i.e. i like to have headaches
11:39 < chchjesus> iodev: The lua one. The haskell one is xmonad lol
11:39 < storge> danyspin97: a great way to learn to fix is to tinker unto breakage
11:39 < acresearch> storge: simple in terms of memory usage and WM
11:39 < searedvandal> storge, since he started to like xfce my guess is a simple full DE
11:40 < chchjesus> also I tried KDE5 and it was broken. REALLY broken. It looked beautiful though
11:40 < autopsy> KDE is for the birds.
11:40 < FMan> what was the command to show a date from seconds-since-epoch?
11:40 < searedvandal> acresearch, MATE is an alright alternative to XFCE in my opinion. I'm currently trying out MATE and it works pretty good.
11:41 < autopsy> FMan, man date
11:41 < acresearch> searedvandal: interesting, let me check it out,,, thanks :-)
11:42 < Yamakaja> Hey everybody: Any idea why this could have happened? My terminal emulator crashed and took zsh with it - after restarting it zsh complained about a corrupted history file, and indeed, there was a section with apparently random bytes here and there. Could this be an indication of hardware failure?
11:42 < autopsy> Yamakaja, or library issues.
11:43 < Yamakaja> library issues? 0.o
11:43 < autopsy> Yamakaja, maybe try smartctl --test long /dev/sda
11:43 < FMan> I don't want the current date, but any, and I don't see an option for that
11:43 < chchjesus> autopsy: dohoho
11:43 < chchjesus> >man date
11:43 < chchjesus> >mandate
11:44 < FMan> can STRING be the time? it is ambiguous
11:44 < autopsy> FMan, its in string formatting near the bottom. --format="%Z %z"
11:44 < searedvandal> date +%s
11:44 < storge> man date   then press / to search, type epoch, press enter
11:44 < autopsy> Press on with the mandate.
11:44 < storge> man man  :)
11:44 < autopsy> man man manual pages man
11:44 < FMan> why must everything be so hard
11:45 < storge> what's hard
11:45 < autopsy> Cause life aint easy.
11:45 < hexnewbie> FMan: date --date='@1528623896'
11:45 < storge> typing 'man date' is hard?
11:45 < FMan> all things on Linux :P at least I lurned something
11:45 < FMan> but I'll forget it by tomorrow
11:45 < Yamakaja> autopsy 70 minutes? wow
11:45 < Yamakaja> Alright then, i'll check back later
11:46 < autopsy> Yamakaja, yeah then check your smartctl information withheld after it is done testing.
11:46 < Yamakaja> What exactly does the test do?
11:46 < hexnewbie> FMan: Run ‘man date’ search for DATE STRING, it can be anything, including @timestamp, or "Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:21:42 -0800" or "2004-02-29 16:21:42" or even "next Thursday" (copied from the man page)
11:46 < storge> Yamakaja: man smartctl
11:46 < storge> lol
11:46 < autopsy> Yamakaja, several SMART tests like reads and writes and so forth.
11:46 < pingfloyd> everyone loves man man
11:46 < iodev> autopsy: do a short tests first
11:46 < iodev> *test
11:47 < autopsy> iodev nah long is good.
11:47 < autopsy> y
11:47 < storge> man man is the first one i tell people, because if you can search and use man pages well, they magically unsuckify. or at least some of them do.
11:47 < autopsy> eah mean.
11:47 < hexnewbie> pingfloyd: ‘man man’ is the one you quote here every time some tells you ‘man git commit’ is wrong ;)
11:47 < iodev> autopsy: first you wanna do a short if the drive is wrecked it'll say so in 2 mins
11:47 < pingfloyd> storge: and the synopsis starts making sense
11:47 < chchjesus> >not using visual source safe
11:47 < storge> yes
11:47 < chchjesus> plebs, the lot of you
11:48 < iodev> autopsy: and then a long will show if drive is faulty in any other areas
11:48 < autopsy> iodev oh ok.
11:48 < pingfloyd> chchjesus: what's visual source safe?
11:48 < pingfloyd> chchjesus: sounds microsofty
11:48 < storge> laptops with two drives for the win
11:48 < iodev> pingfloyd: source-safe I don't remember
11:48 < autopsy> iodev ok gotcha.
11:49 < storge> i'll never need a dvd-rom (that i know of) so i pull the cd tray in my laptops and install a second drive
11:49 < autopsy> Optical drives are neat.
11:49 < pingfloyd> storge: sell it to some sucker and buy some usb sticks
11:49 < autopsy> They provide a RO medium.
11:49 < chchjesus> pingfloyd: It is Microsoft. It's an old microsoft revision control system. It's hilariously awful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Visual_SourceSafe
11:49 < storge> visual sourcesafe
11:50 < pingfloyd> I wonder what kinds of new bogus terminology microsoft invented for that program
11:50 < storge> those words are awkward as it is, but with microsoft in the name...
11:51 < pingfloyd> microsoft pioneered vgrep aka visual grep
11:51 < iodev> chchjesus: oh, it's before TFS\
11:51 < storge> pingfloyd: my favorite was my old Win 2K machine that said "based on NT technology" and my NT machine said "NT New Technology" ... so Win2k was based on New Technology Technology, which is pretty awesome.
11:51 < chchjesus> and Microsoft bought it off some other company
11:51 < iodev> pingfloyd: I hate SourceSafe, TFS, I like Git :-)
11:51 < hexnewbie> Where do you put the coffee if you get rid of the CD drive? Though, more seriously - without a CD drive, you end up in trouble when you realise someone (or you) overwrote your netinst/live/rescue bootable flash, and you need to download a new one, and you can't use the burned CDs, because... no drive.
11:51 < chchjesus> so M$ didn't invent it
11:52 < iodev> chchjesus: did you know Microsoft did not make NTFS
11:52 < pingfloyd> storge: analogous to New Pied Piper
11:52 < hexnewbie> Fixing a minor boot issue is suddenly one hour instead of 1 minute.
11:53 < pingfloyd> storge: didn't MS later backpedal and say that NT stood for nothing.
11:53 < storge> hexnewbie: true enough but my laptop bag contains multiple usb boot media and more at home and work, so it's kind of edgy case for me personally, but essentially i agree with your point.
11:53 < iodev> pingfloyd: New Technology!
11:53 < iodev> :D
11:53 < storge> pingfloyd: they later said (as they pushed Server) that it was Net Technology, among others i think
11:54 < pingfloyd> it's got new New Technology technology
11:54 < storge> Win2K: New Technology Technology
11:54 < iodev> storge: it's refered to as NT tech
11:54 < storge> no, that was Win Me that had new New Technology technology
11:54 < iodev> storge: Win ME is of the Win 9x series
11:54 < iodev> which is awful!
11:54 < hexnewbie> Now, Windows 10 is still based on the old NT technology.
11:54 < storge> iodev: you missed my comment to pingfloyd floyd about my Win 2K box
11:55 < iodev> I'm so glad I don't use Win ME anymore just: Xubuntu, Win 8.1 and Win 10 :D
11:55 < iodev> and Ubuntu on server
11:55 < mdh34> iodev: out of interest, why would you dual boot 8.1 and 10?
11:55  * iodev facepalms
11:56 < iodev> mdh34: hahahaha! who told you I dual boot them
11:56 < storge> mdh34: come for the built-ins of 10, stay for the UI of 8
11:56 < pingfloyd> new New Technology technology didn't work out so good with win me, so they had to revert old new New Technology technology and release win xp.
11:56 < iodev> mdh34: no, I got 2 computers, one with win 10 and just win 10
11:56 < searedvandal> win2k, best win there was
11:56 < iodev> and one with win 8.1 and xubuntu
11:56 < mdh34> iodev: ohh noo I read it as if you ran xubuntu 8.1 and 10 all on the same box lol
11:56 < storge> pingfloyd: exactly
11:56 < storge> searedvandal: my opinion as well
11:57 < autopsy> Windows 10 is good.
11:57 < autopsy> POreview insider builds are good.
11:57 < mdh34> Apart from the OS level ads
11:57 < iodev> autopsy: yes, with WSL it's good, for some reason it boots faster on my SSD
11:57 < autopsy> iodev no doubt huh?
11:57 < iodev> that's why I chose it, it beats arch, even with Fast startup off
11:58 < storge> mdh34: OS level ads were championed by--i think it was ubuntu?
11:58 < iodev> I keep fast startup off, it causes glitches
11:58 < storge> canonical i mean
11:58 < hexnewbie> I admire Windows 9x for doing black magic in compatibility, being a hybrid of two incompatible OS architectures, somewhat like a mix of base jumping and chess - it makes it crash all the time, but it is a technological marvel nonetheless.
11:58 < mdh34> storge: ayy gotta love that amazon integration, nah that was definetly the first time I came across it
11:58 < iodev> mdh34: autopsy I suspect the SSD firmware, it does something for windows, it cheats!
11:58 < autopsy> Canonical is out of this tree.
11:58 < autopsy> iodev oh noes.
11:59 < iodev> storge: I turned OS level ads off
11:59 < autopsy> What is an OS level ad?
11:59 < iodev> yes, I went into Privacy and turned everything off
11:59 < iodev> autopsy: what win 10 "offers" you if you turn everything on in privacy :D
11:59 < storge> mdh34: turned me away from canonical when they did it
11:59 < mdh34> autopsy: ads that pop up while you're using the OS, like in the start menu, explorer etc
12:00 < pingfloyd> iodev: making you think you have privacy
12:00 < iodev> pingfloyd: who said I trust it
12:00 < storge> as if Win 10 is anything close to private
12:00 < dgurney> mdh34, oddly enough I've only seen those sorts of ads in pictures, but never in person while using the OS
12:00 < autopsy> Windows 10 is good man.
12:00 < iodev> when I got Win 10 and Bitdefender I knew it was gonna be public
12:00 < pingfloyd> iodev: I'm talking about the whole turn on privacy settings in win 10
12:00 < mdh34> storge: that was introduced just as i got into linux and it really put me off
12:00 < storge> mdh34: a man of my own heart
12:01 < autopsy> I never saw ads.
12:01 < iodev> pingfloyd: relax, I have them all off
12:01 < pingfloyd> it's like deciding you'll endure to usual invasion of privacy vs. having Microsoft as your personal stalker
12:01 < mdh34> dgurney: I've noticed it more in recent builds of w10 - a recent fresh install had quite a lot of the,
12:01 < storge> pingfloyd: turn on the privacy, but don't worry the huawei chips do the reporting for you!
12:01 < storge> jk of course
12:01 < iodev> pingfloyd: yep, usual invasion of privacy
12:01 < iodev> no stalker :D
12:01 < autopsy> Oh noe.
12:02 < autopsy> I lost my Windows 10 mysteriously one day.
12:02 < iodev> autopsy: why?
12:02 < iodev> you deleted it?
12:02 < iodev> monster! :D
12:02 < autopsy> Partition table was corrupt.
12:02 < autopsy> I ate it.
12:02 < iodev> ohh, and how did you get it corrupt? dd-ing?
12:02 < autopsy> iodev, nah I just hard reset it while it was running.
12:02 < iodev> pingfloyd: I knew even with everything off I'd be invaded
12:03 < iodev> but I got nothing to hide
12:03 < iodev> plus I use the cloud so much, it doesn't even matter :D
12:04 < pingfloyd> Alexa even laughs at the people it's suckered
12:04 < iodev> pingfloyd: yes, creeeeepy laughter
12:04 < eb0t> hey with rsnapshot ..if i retain  daily 7 weekly 4 monthly 12.....im not sure how the daily and monthly tie together...if its now june and i wanted to get someones direcotry from november....i only have 7 days worth of directories..so the daily and weekly backups are no use....the question is..on the monthly backup for november it will only copy files that were available on say november 5th..when cron took
12:04 < eb0t> the monthly backup. what if the file was produced on nov 10th and then deleted on nov 30th
12:04 < eb0t> are these files gone not in the backup
12:05 < pingfloyd> that's how cocky they're getting about invading users' privacy these days
12:05 < iodev> pingfloyd: admit it, with my Kaby Lake I'm spied no matter the OS
12:05 < chchjesus> iodev: I know that M$ is not to be trusted
12:05 < iodev> the processor works for Intel-gathering
12:05 < iodev> this is why Linus was right, when he argued with Tannenbaum
12:06 < iodev> Minix now runs the Intel ME which spies on us
12:06 < searedvandal> let them spy
12:06 < pingfloyd> I'd say Tannenbaum is selling his soul, if he had one to begin with
12:06 < iodev> I mean, Intel Management Engine the tiny CPU that is always running in the backgrounds
12:06 < iodev> *background
12:06 < lupine> all of this stuff is optional, you realise
12:06 < autopsy> eb0t good question.
12:07 < iodev> lupine: what stuff?
12:07 < pingfloyd> you can't really completely disable ME
12:07 < lupine> you can opt out of chips carrying it
12:07 < iodev> please, I don't even have an option for it in my Acer bios
12:07 < lupine> very easily
12:07 < iodev> sorry I'm stuck with an i5-7200U
12:07 < mdh34> unless you use RISC-V there isn't really a decent alternative though
12:08 < mdh34> AMD have their equivalent
12:08 < mdh34> pretty sure qualcomm and mediatek are just as bad
12:08 < searedvandal> I just got myself a intel spymachine two days ago.
12:08 < iodev> ccording to Zammit, the ME:
12:08 < iodev>     has full access to memory (without the parent CPU having any knowledge);
12:08 < iodev>     has full access to the TCP/IP stack;y
12:08 < iodev> See? Intel ME!
12:08 < sleepyhead> eb0t: when you run daily job it'll mark daily.6 for deletion, rotate 0-5 to 1-6 and download a fresh one for daily.0
12:08 < storge> the really creepy one for me was the story of the people who had been talking about the recent death of one of their parents i think it was, and Alexa unprompted started randomly saying the locations of all the graveyards within a radius. thanks Alexa, really kind.
12:08 < chchjesus> But me_cleaner is a thing
12:08 < chchjesus> on certain machines, you can blow ME away
12:08 < eb0t> yes autopsy ..i just use rsync for backup..but over past few days i deleted some imortant files and then backed up...so my machine and my backup no longer have the important files
12:08 < searedvandal> storge, creepy
12:09 < mdh34> storge: did you see the thing where an alexa sent a conversation recording to a random contact of some person
12:09 < iodev> can send and receive network packets, even if the OS is protected by a firewall;
12:09 < lupine> so you value convenience and performance over security
12:09 < iodev> is signed with an RSA 2048 key that cannot be brute-forced; and
12:09 < iodev> cannot be disabled on newer Intel Core2 CPUs.
12:09 < lupine> don't feel bad, many people do
12:09 < iodev> ^ it can also do this!
12:09 < eb0t> so i need to do more of a rotating snapshot ..so im gonna use rsnapshot...but im thinking what about getting files back from months ago
12:09 < eb0t> sleepyhead how does that help with my situation...thats just basic
12:09 < storge> mdh34: yes. so not only was amazon recording it, the damn thing could have breached national security depending on who the people on either end were
12:09 < pingfloyd> people and their blind trust of technology
12:10 < sleepyhead> eb0t: hang on i'm getting to that
12:10 < iodev> pingfloyd: so it doesn't matter what OS I run
12:10 < iodev> and even if I disable Intel ME
12:10 < iodev> I still got gmail
12:10 < iodev> and my cloud VPS hosting
12:10 < pingfloyd> iodev: I know
12:10 < storge> iodev: well if it works, it's good
12:10 < iodev> and ... my onedrive, my microsoft account, my whatsapp
12:10 < mdh34> TIL me_cleaner was a thing for newer CPU's
12:10 < pingfloyd> it's there no matter what
12:10 < iodev> my everything is spied
12:11 < pingfloyd> all the drivers do is ad even more intrusive functionality
12:11 < storge> iodev: you make a lovely product
12:11 < pingfloyd> when the functionality without them is already enough dominion over the machine
12:11 < iodev> storge: and don't tell me you never buy stuff online
12:11 < sleepyhead> eb0t: when you run weekly job it'll mark weekly.3 for deletion, rotate 0-2 to 1-3 and move daily.6 to weekly.0
12:11 < storge> iodev: almost never
12:11 < iodev> yep, that's what everyone says, except me
12:11 < iodev> I can never resist a bargain
12:11 < devilchaos> anyone here have exp with smt32 microcontrollers and how to flash things onto them?
12:12 < iodev> and online you can get so much stuff!
12:12 < sleepyhead> eb0t: now note that daily, weekly, monthly make no sense to rsnapshot. it just does the rotate between these backups when you run the cron job
12:12 < autopsy> newegg.com is a good online store
12:12 < iodev> storge: apps, things, everything :D
12:12 < sleepyhead> eb0t: so the answer is when was the cron job closes to the time period you want to restore from run?
12:12 < iodev> ebooks on amazon kindle!
12:12 < sleepyhead> *question
12:13 < pingfloyd> it's all about trying to control user behavior
12:13 < iodev> storge: don't tell me you never got an ebook on amazon.com
12:13 < pingfloyd> in the end
12:13 < autopsy> Ok this is all off topic.
12:13 < pingfloyd> make the whole planet a prison
12:13 < autopsy> For like an hour now.
12:14 < autopsy> HYes a prison.
12:14 < storge> one time in 2005 newegg.com randomly sent me a confirmation email from some guy--and i had never shopped there so i don't know how they tied my email to it, since it listed the real guy's email in the content, but it also showed the transaction and his entire credit card info. it looked like a malformatted email, all misaligned, with some guy's credit information. i called and emailed over that whole week,
12:14 < storge> and they never once replied or said anything about it.
12:14 < storge> so i never shopped there
12:14 < sleepyhead> eb0t: did that help?
12:14 < eb0t> sorry no
12:14 < autopsy> newegg.com is really good.
12:14 < pingfloyd> "Stone walls do not a prison make, Nor iron bars a cage"
12:14 < iodev> pingfloyd: yeah, but what can we do
12:14 < eb0t> it doesnt work like that either
12:14 < sleepyhead> eb0t: sure it does.
12:15 < sleepyhead> i have logs that prove it
12:15 < storge> maybe now they are, but back then it seemed they didn't have their crap together and didn't care when they screwed up
12:15 < chchjesus> But windows and gates make a walled garden
12:15 < iodev> pingfloyd: stop using technology then?
12:15 < eb0t> how it works is if you have a retain of 7 days
12:15 < pingfloyd> iodev: that's not really a realistic option
12:15 < sleepyhead> eb0t: i told you above.
12:15 < eb0t> no above you got mixed up
12:15 < pingfloyd> iodev: all you can do is spread awareness
12:15 < eb0t> and didnt even answer the quesiton
12:15 < iodev> chchjesus: it doesn't matter anymore! they found ways (hardware, firmware) to compromise the security of linux
12:15 < eb0t> it doesnt rotate 1-3
12:15 < iodev> that's it, our goose is cooked.
12:16 < eb0t> it rotates 1 -2 ...2-3 3-4 etc
12:16 < iodev> so much for hackers you'll be free :D
12:16 < Dagmar> Buy thicker tin foil
12:16 < eb0t> same for the monthly
12:16 < pingfloyd> iodev: only a few really understand technology, and even fewer understand security issues,
12:16 < sleepyhead> eb0t: that's what i mean
12:16 < chchjesus> iodev: are you talking about tivoisation?
12:16 < eb0t> except it will do current =0 then 0-1 1-2 2-3
12:16 < sleepyhead> eb0t: how about we take this to pm so its less crowded?
12:16 < autopsy> sleepyhead, lol. Iknow.
12:16 < iodev> pingfloyd: I do tell people, about Blueborne, about KRACKED, about Shellshock, Intel ME and the NSA_KEY
12:16 < iodev> :D
12:17 < storge> Dagmar: thicker tinfoil can get heavy if you wisely use multiple layers of it, so be sure to advise a neckbrace as well
12:17 < iodev> but do they listen, do they ever listen? do they ever agree to use password manager? Nooooo!
12:17 < pingfloyd> only thing that would get intel to clean up its act is enough public pressure
12:17 < autopsy> What about Meltdown and Spectre?
12:17 < eb0t> its ok .. but during hte rotation the difference between 1 and 2 is just gonna be the difference in files taken at the time of snapshot
12:17 < Dagmar> Storage: I think mainly the error is in people not making it airtight
12:17 < eb0t> everything else is jsut a hard link
12:17 < iodev> autopsy: new additions to the list
12:17 < pingfloyd> enough public pressure to make think they may lose out on some dollars
12:17 < storge> Dagmar: precisely! you're so right.
12:17 < pingfloyd> *make them think
12:18 < sleepyhead> eb0t: it just mvs the directorys
12:18 < sleepyhead> god
12:18 < autopsy> iodev what is branch prediction bypass?
12:18 < eb0t> so if in november 5th i have a backup
12:18 < sleepyhead> eb0t: it just moves the directories
12:18 < eb0t> and then december 5th i have the following backup
12:18 < iodev> autopsy: so you see, the CPU tries to figure out what instruction will come next (speculation)
12:18 < eb0t> but inbetween november 5th and december 5th i create and delete a file
12:18 < autopsy> iodev Ok.
12:18 < eb0t> that file is LOST according to my reconing
12:18 < storge> branch prediction is part of the meltdown approach isn't it? or is that spectre
12:18 < iodev> and when the next instruction doesn't match what he expected, it causes an accumulation in some part of the CPU
12:18 < eb0t> so its not that great a backup
12:19 < iodev> that accumulation can be hijacked and made to execute
12:19 < eb0t> thats what im checking
12:19 < storge> iodev: that's meltdown or spectre?
12:19 < iodev> spectre
12:19 < autopsy> iodev oh crap.
12:19 < iodev> meltdown is a bug in the OS
12:19 < storge> that's right, thanks
12:19 < sleepyhead> eb0t: that file will be in your weekly backups
12:19 < sleepyhead> eb0t: or your dailies
12:19 < eb0t> no it wont because its june
12:20 < storge> ?
12:20 < eb0t> and my weekly are only containg up to may
12:20 < eb0t> and the file i want is from november
12:20 < sleepyhead> eb0t: your dailies get rotated to your weeklies which get rotated to you monthlies
12:20 < iodev> autopsy: yeah, and the hackers writes an exploit that puts some malicious instruction into the CPUs "non-executed cache" (the place where all the failed predictions go)
12:20 < iodev> and runs it, somehow
12:20 < sleepyhead> eb0t: so it's like in there somewhere
12:20 < eb0t> no the weeklys are a totally new snapshot
12:20 < iodev> with full privileges, he can snoop on ram, send packets and do everything
12:20 < autopsy> iodev no doubt wow.
12:20 < sleepyhead> eb0t: nope they aren't
12:20 < eb0t> i dont think they get created fromt he dailys
12:21 < sleepyhead> eb0t: yes they do
12:21 < sleepyhead> eb0t: i said as much above
12:21 < eb0t> ill  check
12:21 < iodev> autopsy: use Microcode
12:21 < iodev> use IBRF, use Retpoline
12:21 < autopsy> iodev, what is microcode?
12:21 < sleepyhead> eb0t: the only new snapshots are the ones in the most frequent interval - daily in your case
12:21 < iodev> autopsy: intel firmware updates for cpu
12:21 < autopsy> iodev, yeah ok.
12:21 < iodev> autopsy: they may have backdoors, but you're using it anyway
12:21 < iodev> if you don't use a custom one, the BIOS uses one!
12:21 < gambl0re> hello?
12:22 < sleepyhead> gambl0re: hi
12:22 < eb0t> yes..so are you saying my montlies are createed from my weeklys
12:22 < glix> hi gambl0re
12:22 < iodev> autopsy: this is the brilliant way intel screws every customer
12:22 < gambl0re> im trying to configure my dns-servers ip by editing the /etc/network/interfaces file but nothing is happening.
12:22 < autopsy> glix hi.
12:22 < storge> iodev: if it works, it's good
12:22 < iodev> storge: it works :-(
12:22 < glix> hi autopsy
12:22 < autopsy> gambl0re, use ifconfig instead.
12:23 < gambl0re> how do i do that
12:23 < iodev> but it can't be fixed, it's proprietary CPU code in the BIOS, remove it and you brick it!
12:23 < python3> 1. ifconfig is deprecated
12:23 < python3> 2. ifconfig is not the correct tool
12:23 < iodev> storge: it's impossible to fix.
12:23 < gambl0re> im using xubuntu
12:23 < python3> ifconfig does not do dns
12:23 < autopsy> gambl0re, ifconfig is deprecated use ip and route
12:23 < sleepyhead> gambl0re: set them in /etc/resolv.conf
12:23 < gambl0re> does anyone know how to congigure dns
12:23 < sleepyhead> see above
12:23 < iodev> sleepyhead: nooo, they get overwritten
12:23 < python3> man resolv.conf
12:23 < iodev> /etc/network/interfaces dns-servers sets resolv.conf
12:23 < sleepyhead> gambl0re: are you using network manager?
12:24 < iodev> sleepyhead: yeah, use NetworkManager
12:24 < gambl0re> what do you mean?
12:24 < python3> but if you are using the horrible /etc/network distro invented thing, then configure it in its config, and then restart the service
12:24 < gambl0re> im editing /etc/network/interfaces  file
12:24 < python3> gambl0re: so just restart the network service that uses that config
12:24 < iodev> gambl0re: if you got the network icon in the task bar, you have NetworkManager
12:24 < iodev> and you have to remove your edits
12:24 < iodev> want me to show you what to do via TeamViewer?
12:25 < sleepyhead> gambl0re: note teamviewer isn't safe so i don't recommend this
12:25 < gambl0re> where do i find networkManager
12:25 < gambl0re> im a linux noob so give me the easiest solution
12:25 < gambl0re> im using xubuntu
12:25 < sleepyhead> gambl0re: right click on the network icon in the system tray
12:25 < python3> gambl0re: just restart the network service after editing the config
12:25 < iodev> gambl0re: I noticed you are new here
12:26 < gambl0re> ect/resolve.conf?
12:26 < autopsy> systemctl restart network.service
12:26 < python3> the documentation for your distro should tell you how to do it
12:26 < iodev> I think the easiest solution is to show you once, spoonfeed you
12:26 < autopsy> iodev nah.
12:26 < autopsy> See the man pages.
12:26 < iodev> but you have to take notes, okay, I won't do it everytime you need to set DNS, gambl0re
12:26 < gambl0re> do i do dns-nameservers x.x.x.x ?
12:26 < iodev> autopsy: are you insane? no noob can read man pages
12:26 < iodev> gambl0re: no
12:26 < autopsy> iodev you're right.
12:26 < python3> newbies can, noobs refuse to
12:27 < iodev> I couldn't read them when I started
12:27 < autopsy> Yeah I started on Slackware kernel 1.2.1
12:27 < iodev> to noobs they're written in Chinese :D
12:27 < gambl0re> iodev, so how do i set the dns-nameservers?
12:27 < autopsy> China ESE
12:27 < storge> that's why you recommend man man
12:28 < storge> if you can search a man page, they're so much better
12:28 < iodev> gambl0re: you do not set dns-nameservers, you have network manager, it is hard for me to describe how to edit connection in GUI, let me show you
12:28 < autopsy> Searching takes long without a search key.
12:28 < iodev> it's easier, I can't write images, clicks as text :D
12:28 < storge> autopsy: huh
12:28 < iodev> plus I'm afraid you messed up the /etc/network/interfaces config
12:28 < iodev> so I wanna clean that up first
12:29 < autopsy> Probably.
12:29 < iodev> autopsy: I won't risk weird issues
12:29 < storge> gambl0re: don't worry, iodev doesn't charge too much. just don't let him near your bitcoin wallet.
12:29 < autopsy> iodev no doubt go for it.
12:29 < iodev> it's free, gambl0re
12:29 < gambl0re> i already said i dont have NetworkMansger
12:29 < iodev> I'll do it for 0.0000
12:29 < iodev> gambl0re: Xubuntu uses it
12:29 < iodev> I have xubuntu too
12:29 < iodev> 18.04
12:30 < gambl0re> you mean Network Settings?
12:30 < python3> last I tried it used the horrible network service out of the box
12:30 < GodOfsea> Hii
12:30 < python3> not networkmanager
12:30 < iodev> gambl0re: yeah, just install TeamViewer and let me show you why we call it NetworkManager.service here
12:30 < GodOfsea> how do I show tables in sqlite3
12:30 < autopsy> Hi GodOfsea
12:30 < python3> systemctl will tell you which of them are enabled though
12:30 < GodOfsea> hey autopsy
12:31 < iodev> GodOfsea: tried SHOW TABLES;
12:31 < python3> systemctl is-enabled NetworkManager.service
12:31 < GodOfsea> iodev thats mysql
12:31 < GodOfsea> I got a file vmail.sslite
12:31  * storge mumbles something about teamviewer versus screen -x
12:31 < GodOfsea> sqlite
12:32 < gambl0re> iodev, i entered the dns ip's in Network Settings. do i have to restart the network service?
12:32 < GodOfsea> sudo service network-manager restart
12:32 < storge> could be worth a try to restart the network service after editing a config
12:32 < iodev> gambl0re: reboot the computer, but before undo everything you did to /etc/network/interfaces
12:33 < gambl0re> ‭iodev, i did
12:33 < gambl0re> i undid my changes
12:33 < iodev> gambl0re: just reboot
12:33 < iodev> then
12:33 < gambl0re> ok
12:33 < iodev> GodOfsea: .tables, Show current tables
12:33 < iodev> that's what you want
12:33 < storge> lots of reboot advice tonight
12:33 < autopsy> YEAH REBOOT DWD
12:33 < hassoon> 'morning
12:33 < iodev> GodOfsea: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sqlite3+SHOW+TABLES
12:33 < iodev> autopsy: never tell a noob to use systemctl
12:33 < autopsy> MORNING IF U STILL MOURNING
12:33 < iodev> unless you got a death wish
12:34 < autopsy> systemctl is nifty.
12:34 < iodev> and want to spend the next 5 hours figuring out why he mistypes NetworkManager as network-manager or as Network_Manager
12:34 < gambl0re> i restared the network service mangaer.
12:34 < iodev> because he doesn't know he can copy and paste because the Ctrl+C doesn't work.
12:34 < iodev> gambl0re: fine
12:35 < autopsy> Yeah. Really.
12:35 < iodev> autopsy: you gotta take care of your health
12:35 < iodev> I've done rounds in #linuxmint-help, I know what noob means
12:35 < autopsy> iodev yeah that is true.
12:36 < iodev> autopsy: I still remember "don't do that", "already done it!"
12:36 < iodev> :D
12:36 < gambl0re> when i restart network manager, the dns ip's is not saved
12:36 < iodev> and then there are the quick-fixers, "I need my computer working, I don't care 1% about Linux, I just want something that works"
12:36 < iodev> gambl0re: reboot.
12:37 < gambl0re> ok ill try
12:37 < iodev> autopsy: and they never get what's comming to them: Linux doesn't work that way
12:37 < maxcell_> anyone knows how to change bootable flag in Anaconda/ - trying to install Fedora
12:37 < autopsy> iodev true.
12:38 < iodev> you don't Just get your task done on Linux, you make Linux your task.
12:38 < autopsy> Yeah.
12:38 < iodev> autopsy: it's a wonder to me
12:39 < iodev> why do these people even install Linux
12:40 < iodev> every distro should have a huge red warning "Warning: This operating system is NOT like Windows, so don't expect it to be able to perform the tasks you want without you putting any effort into it!"
12:40 < sleepyhead> iodev: on opensuse /etc/resolve.conf persists inspite of network manager. there's a comment line that you can delete to let network manager know that you modified the file and that it shouldn't touch it. he should just have edited resolv.conf and be done with it
12:40 < sleepyhead> iodev: also reboot? this aint windows
12:40 < BCMM> iodev: most likely, they're installing it because a bunch of people told them it was better
12:40 < iodev> sleepyhead: on ubuntu and xubuntu NetworkManager changes it by default
12:40 < BCMM> iodev: but, for them familiar is always "better"
12:41 < BCMM> so they inevitably feel like they've been kinda missold
12:41 < iodev> sleepyhead: also, reboot saves me from stress
12:41 < iodev> BCMM: yes, that's the problem they don't get used to new stuff
12:41 < iodev> they just tag it "Windows 8 is bad, because it's new, and everything is changed"
12:41 < iodev> well, get used to the new!
12:41 < iodev> Like the new!
12:41 < iodev> gambl0re: does it work now?
12:42 < iodev> gambl0r3: does it work now? (sorry I can't tell you 2 apart)
12:42 < BCMM> iodev: i think part of it is that some people have never really put in any effort to learn software, if that makes sense
12:43 < iodev> BCMM: absolutely, people care about their task
12:43 < iodev> and those people should only use Windows and other spoonfeedingOS
12:43 < BCMM> for probably the majority of users, their familiarity with windows comes from *years* of painstakingly trying to use it without really thinking about it, and is limited to a small set of tasks they actually do
12:44 < iodev> BCMM: for those that want to learn, gentoo, arch
12:44 < BCMM> there's nothing wrong with caring about the real tasks you're trying to do instead of general OS enthusiasm
12:44 < BCMM> but never actively trying to learn anything is an inefficient approach to getting real tasks done, despite it's popularity
12:44 < pingfloyd> unix in general is about giving the user building blocks
12:45 < pingfloyd> each program is like a building block to build other programs and so on
12:46 < pingfloyd> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDZLjaCJuw
12:48 < pankaj> I know basics of systemd and sysvinit but cannot go deep or understanding them clearly and how to handle them and how to understand them. Is their any guide for it to deal with or any resource that could help me to learn more about both sysvinit and systemd. Please help.
12:49 < pingfloyd> pankaj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init
12:51 < FMan> something has filled up my hard drive and I don't know what
12:51 < GNU\colossus> FMan,   sudo du -chx / | sort -h
12:52 < GNU\colossus> then repeat that for each mountpoint of a different, filled-up filesystem
12:52 < GNU\colossus> (like   sudo du -chx /home | sort -h  )
12:52 < jim> sududio?
12:53 < python3> ncdu
12:53 < storge> ncdu
12:53 < python3> ncdu is a way better tool for this
12:53 < storge> ^
12:53 < storge> agreed
12:54 < GNU\colossus> ... that he'll have to install onto his filled-up filesystem :)
12:54 < pingfloyd> doh!
12:54 < storge> clear some temp, ncdu is tiny
12:55 < pingfloyd> or start with a hierarchy you know is garbage
12:55 < storge> Size: 43716
12:55 < pingfloyd> bytes?
12:55 < storge> the .deb is apparently
12:56 < storge> as least via apt-cache show ncdu
12:56 < glix> The binary is 72K
12:57 < storge> 120.0 KiB [          ]  Xorg.0.log.old
12:57 < storge> delete some dead log and have enough space
12:57 < BCMM> whole package is 96k on my sid system
12:57 < storge> or run your du script :)
12:58 < BCMM> if it's a debian system, `apt clean` is a quick and easy way to free megabytes at least
12:58 < storge> there you go
12:58 < pingfloyd> delete some porn
12:59 < rj1> i just had that issue,  ncdu politely informed me that thunar doesn't know how to empty the trash sometimes
12:59 < BCMM> (or apt-get clean on older versions. it deleted cached packages, which you're basically never going to use unless you reinstall something)
13:00 < storge> rj1: that's what i was thinking, a great big .Trash
13:00 < pingfloyd> trash never seems to be reliable anyway
13:01 < storge> if you have the space for it, the gui baobab can help too. it's basically a clone of old filelight
13:01 < pankaj> pingfloyd: Yes, I have read the wikipedia but a lot of different views confuse me. I want to learn clearly about them both and how to handle between different situations.
13:02 < rj1> yeah i had 50+ gb wasted in ~/.local/share/Trash
13:04 < storge> rj1: i just checked and i have 126 of crap i recognize that i deleted over a week ago. point in fact.
13:04 < storge> 126M
13:05 < FMan> ok, I removed an unnecessary 900-megabyte archive :)
13:05 < pingfloyd> pankaj: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
13:12 < pingfloyd> pankaj: https://ewontfix.com/14/
13:15 < storge> huh, devuan 2.0 released a few days ago
13:23 < maryo> This command 'sudo su -' directly takes to the root console, without asking the password. How can i force users to provide the password?
13:25 < qman__> Remove them from the NOPASSWD: ALL setting in sudoers
13:25 < BluesKaj> Hey folks
13:26 < maryo> qman__, thank you that helps o/
13:27 < iodev> storge: it's fixed
13:27 < iodev> I showed him how to Edit Connections and configure DNS on Automatic address only
13:28 < iodev> it's easier to just show people than tell them sometimes
13:30 < python3> maryo: don't use sudo su, use sudo -i
13:30 < storge> DanySpin97: which musl-based distro?
13:30 < maryo> python3, any difference between sudo su and sudo -i ?
13:31 < DanySpin97> storge: exherbo
13:31 < python3> maryo: you don't start a shell in a shell so you can shell......
13:31 < storge> DanySpin97: have you any experience switching from glibc to musl on any systems?
13:32 < DanySpin97> storge: i don't think that would be possibile, or at least it would be far simpler to just reinstall from scratch
13:34 < storge> definitely
13:35 < DanySpin97> storge: if you want to try a musl system, there are void and alpine
13:36 < storge> i was just seeing that, void alpine exherbo
13:36 < DanySpin97> exherbo is my favourite distro but some.packages still need patches for musl, which is okay for me
13:43 < acresearch> anyone faces this issue with xfce? it seems the DE is broken: https://pasteboard.co/HpeUvxN.png
13:47 < JackPeralta99> Morning!
13:50 < iodev> morning JackPeralta99
13:51 < JackPeralta99> i am havin problem with external usb keyboard
13:51 < storge> can you be more specific?
13:52 < python3> acresearch: read logs
13:52 < JackPeralta99> sometimes, it does not work after boot up. any idea or suggestions?
13:52 < JackPeralta99> removing and pluggin back in fix it but i was looking for a root cause.
13:53 < sleepyhead> JackPeralta99: it's jake peralta
13:54 < JackPeralta99> sleepyhead, didn't wanted the same Jake :)
13:54 < JackPeralta99> not picky about it
13:55 < sleepyhead> JackPeralta99: it's going to be hard to debug without a keyboard :) I would start with `lsusb` when the keyboard isn't detected.
13:55 < acresearch> evilop: what logs?
13:55 < sleepyhead> JackPeralta99: maybe attach a second keyboard so you can type that in
13:56 < JackPeralta99> the second keyboard ( apart from Laptop one) is the trouble maker.
13:56 < JackPeralta99> i do not have a docking station so i use the laptop directly connected to LCD along with wired USB and wireless mouse
13:56 < sleepyhead> JackPeralta99: see what lsusb outputs.
13:56 < JackPeralta99> mouse = Logitec , keyboard = Das Keyboard (wired)
13:57 < Yamakaja> autopsy Mhm ... "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED"
13:57 < sleepyhead> JackPeralta99: have you tried a different usb port? try that too
13:57 < JackPeralta99> sleepyhead, i've done that just now, may be i will reboot, just to check ... BRB
14:01 < JackPeralta99> Hi
14:02 < JackPeralta99> reboot, at Grub I am able to use the key to select O/S, at XFCE login (Manjaro XFCE) the external Das Keyboard freez up. I can see Bus 001 Device 012: ID 24f0:0140
14:02 < JackPeralta99> was not there when I did lsusb
14:04 < JackPeralta99> It is Das Keyboard 4.
14:25 < HelloFriend> i setup squid on port 8080 with access for only inside lan do i need to do anything else? like iptable redirect to port 8080?
14:27 < djph> that, or just set your http-proxy / https-proxy in firefox (whatever)
14:39 < brutser> hi, when using live-build, i am trying to set desktop prefs with gsettings, but i got no clue where to put the commands, i tried in config/hooks and using dbus-launch, but that doesn't work (anymore)
14:39 < HelloFriend> djph i see
14:44 < GunqqerFriithian> if I want to clone a 320GB drive to a 500GB one what's the best way to do that?
14:48 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: Do you want to grow any partitions in the middle, or just the last one?
14:48 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: And are you using UEFI (in UEFI mode) or BIOS (or UEFI in legacy/BIOS mode)?
14:49 < GunqqerFriithian> I think just bios?
14:49 < GunqqerFriithian> and Im not sure which partition I want to grow, I'm using lukscrypt
14:49 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: Is it an LVM inside the crypt?
14:50 < GunqqerFriithian> yes
14:50 < HelloFriend> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8080
14:50 < HelloFriend> i think this should redirect everything to port 8080 from port 80 but will this conflict at all with apache running on port 80?
14:50 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: I don't know how to grow luks, but just dd'ing the drive ought to work.
14:51 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: Then you just need to grow the luks container, grow the pv inside, and grow whatever LVs you want
14:51 < GunqqerFriithian> and because I don't trust myself `sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress` should work
14:51 < GunqqerFriithian> right?
14:51 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: Yes
14:51 < searedvandal> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Resizing_LVM-on-LUKS
14:52 < GunqqerFriithian> oh thanks for the link
14:52 < searedvandal> I believe that should work after dd'ing the drive
14:52 < GunqqerFriithian> damn the arch wiki is so good
14:53 < GunqqerFriithian> even though I dont use arch
14:54 < GunqqerFriithian> 80MB/s copy rate HNGGGGG
14:54 < hexnewbie> GunqqerFriithian: Two caveats you probably don't care about: 1) new drive will have same crypto keys as old ones (you need different procedure if you want to change them), 2)  UUIDs and labels will also be the same, so your system may be confused if you have both drives in at the same time. So perhaps dd, then remove the old drive, then resize.
14:55 < GunqqerFriithian> it's in a laptop so it's hard not to remove it :P
14:55 < maryo_> I have few java processes running on a node, https://dpaste.de/YCFY/raw but not sure which java program is that. Is there a way to figure it out?
14:55 < ALowther> Hmmmm, how do I understand the "systemctl" tree? I am trying to figure out which user owns a specific service
14:58 < searedvandal> GunqqerFriithian, "To regain unique UUIDs of an ext2/3/4 filesystem, use tune2fs /dev/sdXY -U random on every partition. For swap partitions, use mkswap /dev/sdXY instead." if the UUIDs should become a problem as hexnewbie mentioned
14:59 < searedvandal> from the disk cloning section on the arch wiki
14:59 < GunqqerFriithian> do I need to do that?
14:59 < hexnewbie> searedvandal: That would make the system immediately unbootable from the old drive, so I would advise GunqqerFriithian *NOT* to do that unless they want to keep both drives in
15:00 < searedvandal> yeah, only if both drives are in
15:00 < GunqqerFriithian> ok I should be good then
15:00 < brutser> can i actually execute gsettings from a live-build at some point? i wonder
15:00 < searedvandal> I may have misread what GunqqerFriithian wrote. english and my brain don't always work well. sorry
15:00 < GunqqerFriithian> tangentially related, other than /home what should I pack up
15:01 < GunqqerFriithian> back*
15:04 < searedvandal> maybe whatever configs you have outside of /home that you don't wanna spend time setting up again if everything goes sideways?
15:04 < GunqqerFriithian> well everything went sideways yesterday and im trying to figure out what folders ened to be backed up
15:05 < GunqqerFriithian> where would global configs and software be stored?
15:10 < brutser> anyone? if i have auto login with a live-build, how can i change desktop settings? like hide trash icon, change wallpaper? I thought about using gsettings, but don't know where and when.
15:13 < wrongtime> by dropping a ettings file(s)
15:13 < wrongtime> ?
15:13 < iflema> what desktop, whats their website, wheres their wiki
15:14 < iflema> how did you set/get a auto-login
15:15 < brutser> iflema, with the live-build?
15:16 < iflema> m
15:16 < iflema> \m/
15:19 < searedvandal> live-build, doesn't really say much. I'm assuming there is more than one live-build out there.
15:21 < iflema> add a boot voice like knoppix
15:22 < iflema> penguins and a boot splash
15:23 < iflema> what does it boot off?
15:23 < iflema> brutser: ^
15:27 < iflema> systemd should have a slow mode where it boots things one at a time but looks really pretty and scrolls with lots of [OK] s  and [done] s
15:28 < searedvandal> prettyd
15:30 < iflema> fbd
15:31 < iflema> maybe it does
15:32 < iflema> infos anyway
15:36 < ALowther> I downloaded a zip file "file-to-extract.zip". I created a folder to extract it into, example/, then I extracted. It turns out the files were already nested in a directory, so now I have /example/example/ALL_FILES. Is there a way to remove one of the directory names while moving all files up? To have /example/ALL_FILES?
15:37 < ALowther> I should ask, is there a command to handle all of the work...of course it can be done :p.
15:37 < alexandre9099> hi, i would like to pass some usb ports to a VM using kvm/qemu, but i'm not sure what is the pci device that controls the usb ports, how can i find that (passing the individual usb devices does not work, it says that there are no free ports availeable, adding a new usb controller is no allowed by virt-manager)
15:38 < pankaj> exit
15:38 < Sitri> None that I know of, ALowther.  I generally just list the zip/tar to see if it's a bomb.  If it isn't, I'll extract it there, if it is then I'll make a directory.
15:39 < searedvandal> ALowther, mv /example/example / && rm -r /example ?
15:39 < GunqqerFriithian> rm -rd
15:40 < ALowther> searedvandal: Wouldn't that move all files to root?
15:40 < ALowther> But I get the idea of what you're saying. I'll have to think about that and run it, that idea should work.
15:41 < searedvandal> you may have to rename the first example folder if they actually have the same name
15:41 < BlackSweet31> halo ?
15:41 < searedvandal> ALowther, I used / since you used /example. move it whereever you want it to be
15:41 < jim> hi
15:41 < Sitri> Oh, missed that bit: `function pushdown() { DIR=${1}; mv ${DIR}/* ${DIR}/.* .; rmdir ${DIR} }` Add that to your profile, then just call it like `pushdown example`
15:42 < searedvandal> Sitri, nice one
15:42 < BlackSweet31> nice to meet you
15:43 < jim> BlackSweet31, hi... do you have a linux installation?
16:07 < Trel> Is there a risk to setting setuid on a script provided it accepts no input? It just runs /sbin/shutdown -h now  (with that command being had coded)
16:07 < Trel> assuming I want all users to be able to shut down without sudo
16:08 < Trel> *hard coded
16:08 < mawk> you can't setuid a script
16:08 < Trel> Chmod +t worked and it ran without sudo though
16:10 < Trel> That's quite odd. I need to check the permissions on /sbin/shutdown then
16:11 < Trel> I'm guessing it must be o+x
16:12 < Trel> Yep, nevermind, that was it.
16:13 < alexandre9099> \
16:13 < alexandre9099> hi, i would like to pass some usb ports to a VM using kvm/qemu, but i'm not sure what is the pci device that controls the usb ports, how can i find that (passing the individual usb devices does not work, it says that there are no free ports availeable, adding a new usb controller is no allowed by virt-manager)
16:22 < HelloFriend> i'm trying setup a simple dhcp and dns server for internal hosts off one of my nics. I can follow a guide to setup dns on the local server so then all i need to do is use dhcp to hand out the dns settings to the internal hosts, will this work?
16:22 < HelloFriend> i'm trying setup a simple dhcp and dns server for internal hosts off one of my nics. I can follow a guide to setup dns on the local server so then all i need to do is use dhcp to hand out the dns settings to the internal hosts, will this work?
16:22 < HelloFriend> i'm trying setup a simple dhcp and dns server for internal hosts off one of my nics. I can follow a guide to setup dns on the local server so then all i need to do is use dhcp to hand out the dns settings to the internal hosts, will this work?
16:23 < HelloFriend> sorry didnt mean to repeat, i was accidently scrolled up
16:26 < kazdax> how do format my usb drive in debian ?
16:27 < autopsy> kazdax, use mke2fs -j /dev/device
16:27 < kazdax> thanks
16:27 < autopsy> kazdax, like mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1
16:28 < autopsy> Yeah.
16:29 < kazdax> seemed like i had to umount before doing that
16:29 < autopsy> kazdax, yeah umount it first.
16:29 < autopsy> Unmount.
16:30 < autopsy> mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1
16:30 < kazdax> i am trying to copy and paste a file into the usb
16:31 < kazdax> its not working says acess denied
16:31 < kazdax> when i copy and try and paste ..it just has the paste area greyed out
16:31 < kazdax> hold on a sec
16:31 < kazdax> maybe i need to remount it ?
16:32 < autopsy> kazdax, you need to mount it rw writeable by your user too.
16:33 < jim> kazdax, because there are a lot of different ways and purposes to format a storage unit (like a usb stick or hard drive partition), I'll just ask, are you trying to prepare it to store files on? (if so, some form of mkfs is what to do, or mke2fs, to put a particular kind of filesystem on the device)
16:33 < Dan39> autopsy is oldschool lol
16:33 < Dan39> i stopped specifying the filesystem type when mounting several years ago :p
16:33 < autopsy> Dan39 why do you say that howd you know?
16:33 < autopsy> Dan39 yes it will auto detect it.
16:34 < kazdax> i just want to store file on usb
16:34 < autopsy> But just for completeness I specify what I want mounted.
16:34 < jim> kazdax, ok, you already know how to do that :)
16:34 < Dan39> and mke2fs -j instead of just mkfs.ext3? or even mkfs.ext4?
16:35 < autopsy> mkfs.ext4 should work.
16:35 < Dan39> i think mke2fs -j is the same thing as mkfs.ext3
16:35 < jim> or (this is just sugar but...) mkfs -t ext4
16:35 < autopsy> mke2fs -j adds journalling.
16:35 < Dan39> right?
16:35 < autopsy> Yeah.
16:35 < kazdax> hmm even after mounting
16:35 < Dan39> ooo jim you got us there
16:35 < kazdax> i still cant copy files
16:35 < Dan39> very nice
16:35 < autopsy> Old Slackware 1.2.1 refugee.
16:36 < Dan39> kazdax: hmm
16:36 < Dan39> kazdax: chmod 777 that bad boy
16:36 < autopsy> kazdax, mount it with -t ext3 -o rw
16:36 < autopsy> kazdax, and sudo chmod the mountpoint 777 like Dan39 is saying.
16:36 < Dan39> usually 777 is bad advice :P but if its just a usb stick for throwing files on...
16:37 < autopsy> Yeah just a USB stick.
16:37 < Dan39> dont 777 anything else but the root of usb
16:37 < jim> well 777 isn't always what you want to do
16:37 < Dan39> i guess you could chown it :P
16:37 < autopsy> Yeah its rwx rwx rwx
16:37 < autopsy> Dan39 or chown that would be better.
16:37 < Dan39> but if you want to transfer files to other system and login under different user id...
16:38 < Dan39> i dunno the best recommendation tbh :P im just thinking out loud
16:38 < autopsy> kazdax, sudo chmod 777 /mnt/sdb1
16:38 < kazdax> chmod 777 /dev/sdg ?
16:38 < Dan39> kazdax: what distro are you on?
16:38 < kazdax> debian
16:38 < Dan39> gnome?
16:38 < autopsy> kazdax, not the device file the mount point.
16:38 < kazdax> kde
16:39 < ned0> kazdax is tyrell
16:39 < autopsy> KDE oh wow.
16:39 < Dan39> kazdax: you can use the GUI or udisksctl to do mounting also
16:39 < kazdax> i remived the usb and inserted it in
16:39 < Dan39> it should mount it a bit more proper so your user can access it
16:39 < kazdax> its mounted
16:39 < Dan39> you can use that without sudo too
16:39 < phinxy> #CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV is not set.. kernel.org says I need mousedev for gpm to work.  Could this be why its not working for me?
16:39 < kazdax> but i dont know what the mount point is
16:39 < Dan39> kazdax: lsblk
16:40 < autopsy> phinxy, yes.
16:40 < Dan39> thats my favorite command for reviewing what's mounted
16:40 < kazdax> okay cool
16:40 < kazdax> ill keep it in mind
16:40 < autopsy> lsblk or mount | grep sdg
16:40 < ned0> anybody worked for Zayo?
16:40 < jim> what's sayo
16:40 < autopsy> kazdax, mount | grep sdg
16:40 < Dan39> i went years only using `mount` then found `lsblk`, much quicker and nice formatting
16:41 < autopsy> ned0 I worked for RedHat almost in Raliegh.
16:41 < Dan39> almost?
16:41 < autopsy> They called me for a job interview.
16:41 < Dan39> cool
16:41 < autopsy> I didn't get the position though.
16:41 < Dan39> bet that would've been well paying :P
16:41 < autopsy> Yeah it would have made my day.
16:42 < kazdax> hmm seems when i formated it
16:42 < autopsy> What is wait4()?
16:42 < kazdax> it dint clean the usb drive
16:42 < kazdax> it says 3.9 Gig free when its a 14 gig usb drive
16:42 < Dan39> autopsy: whatever the man says it is? lol
16:42 < autopsy> Dan39 ur funy.
16:42 < searedvandal> wait4(lunch)
16:42 < autopsy> man wait4
16:42 < ned0> that is almost similar autopsy but not quite at all
16:43 < Dan39> autopsy: it works :P
16:43 < autopsy> ned0 What is Zayo?
16:43 < autopsy> Dan39 ok hold on then.
16:43 < Dan39> what did you mean by the question then? :|
16:46 < Dan39> autopsy: it is waiting for the child process to do something i guess
16:46 < Dan39> look at pstree and see what that program spawned?
16:46 < Dan39> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:46 < triceratux> https://www.zayo.com/company/about-zayo/
16:47 < ned0> they do fiber and data center colo
16:47 < autopsy> Dan39 it returns rusage about specific child or children.
16:48 < autopsy> Dan39 equivalent to waitpid()
16:48 < Dan39> yea, i read -_-
16:48 < autopsy> wait3,  wait4  -  wait  for  process to change state, BSD
16:48 < autopsy>        style
16:48 < Dan39> BSD style baby
16:48 < autopsy> Alright!
16:48 < Dan39> like that is suppose to mean something to me
16:49 < autopsy> Dan39 this guy's apt-get was stuck on a wait4() call. It wouldn't continue.
16:49 < Dan39> autopsy: i just looked back and saw, yea. so i'm guessing apt-get spawned some other process and that is what was stuck
16:50 < Dan39> have to go deeper
16:50 < autopsy> Dan39 update-initramfs yep.
16:50 < autopsy> On apt-get upgrade
16:50 < Dan39> maybe it was actually working? initramfs can take a couple minutes to build...
16:50 < autopsy> Dan39 he waited like 20 nothing.
16:50 < gambl0re> is installing programs on ubuntu the same way on xubuntu?
16:51 < Dan39> autopsy: see where update-initramfs was stuck?
16:51 < autopsy> Why all these Ubuntu derivatives?
16:51 < autopsy> Dan39 we couldn't strace it so no.
16:51 < Dan39> autopsy: i wonder that myself
16:51 < Psi-Jack> Why is the sky blue?
16:51 < autopsy> Dan39 didn't get that far.
16:52 < Dan39> like, regular ubuntu has xfce, why not just install ubuntu and install xfce, why do we need a whole other community for xubuntu?
16:52 < autopsy> Why is my sky all black?
16:52 < autopsy> XFCE is like GOD POWAH
16:52 < autopsy> Thats why.
16:52 < autopsy> Lol.
16:52 < triceratux> because they cant ask endusers to update the sessionmanagement manually so its more seamless to create independent spins with the alternative desktops properly installed
16:53 < autopsy> triceratux, ahh good point.
16:53 < Dan39> well yea i knew that was the reason, i just dont like it
16:53 < autopsy> I don't like it either.
16:53 < autopsy> Hate to be you.
16:53 < autopsy> xubuntu wtf?
16:53 < Dan39> like really, we cant tell these people, what, 5 commands, to copy n paste, to switch to xfce?
16:54 < autopsy> Yeah like 5.
16:54 < Dan39> that sentence had a lot of commas, wow.
16:54 < autopsy> Your comma bound today.
16:54 < autopsy> You're.
16:54 < Dan39> lmao
16:54 < Dan39> or am i comma bound?
16:54 < searedvandal> just let the user choose which DE they want in the installation process
16:54 < searedvandal> problemo solved
16:55 < Dan39> like i AM mr comma bound!
16:55 < Dan39> searedvandal: good idea actually
16:55 < autopsy> U iz comma bound rofl.
16:55 < Siva_Machina> comma comeleon maybe
16:55 < searedvandal> Dan39, I know. Antergos does it, so it must be doable.
16:55 < Dan39> heh
16:56 < Dan39> maybe the xfce users just hate the gnome users that much that they dont want to see it mentioned when they install
16:56 < autopsy> Fedora has different spins for DEs too.
16:56 < Dan39> yea
16:56 < searedvandal> more likely canonical doesn't want the extra work.
16:56 < Dan39> but
16:56 < Dan39> fedora's spins are shit in my experience
16:57 < autopsy> Dan39 yeah I just use Workstation.
16:57 < Dan39> fedora... 26 i think. i tried the cinnamon spin, buggy. reinstalled from the main Workstation install, then installed cinnamon and just chose it during login, works great
16:57 < autopsy> searedvandal, canonical doesn't want more work with xubuntu and lubuntu?
16:57 < BCMM> Dan39: basically ubuntu aims to offers a very specific distro with an experience they control. they like to use a different name for things that deviate from that experience.
16:57 < Dan39> i dont know how they messed up the cinnamon spin, but like a bunch of stuff wasn't working
16:58 < autopsy> Dan39 thats unfortunate.
16:58 < dgurney> meanwhile I had a flawless experience with the mate spin a few versions back
16:58 < searedvandal> autopsy, do they actually do any work on the different flavours or is it the community that maintain those?
16:58 < Siva_Machina> Canonical themselves don't actually work on Xubuntu and Lubuntu. They are community maintained
16:58 < Dan39> well i take that back, maybe it was only like 2 things
16:58 < BCMM> apple-style total control of the user experience has historically been quite a priority for ubuntu. i don't like it, but a lot of people *did* seem to like Unity.
16:58 < Dan39> gvfs, as always, is finicky
16:58 < autopsy> gvfs has bugs still.
16:59 < Dan39> garbage gvfs. smbtree sees all the mounts instantly, but then i try to view the "windows network" from file manage and it hangs for 2 minutes
16:59 < autopsy> abrt shows them SIGSEGV on gvfs all the time.
16:59 < Siva_Machina> Ubuntu_mate 18.04 was a bit buggy when I installed it. Though Idid manage to resolve most of the issues I had
17:00 < autopsy> Dan39 on a non-existant server network?
17:00 < searedvandal> there will always be bugs
17:00 < Dan39> autopsy: what do you mean? like non-domain?
17:00 < autopsy> Dan39 non-existant nmb server or smb server network.
17:00 < Dan39> no
17:00 < Dan39> there were smb servers
17:01 < autopsy> Oh really?
17:01 < autopsy> Wow.
17:01 < Dan39> smbtree listed them all immediately
17:01 < autopsy> Ok.
17:01 < autopsy> Mine returns after about 6 seconds.
17:01 < Dan39> it's been working pretty well lately though
17:01 < autopsy> Ok good.
17:02 < Siva_Machina> Like when I closed my laptop lid then reopened it. My brightness decided to,make itself brighter even though  my power manager still says it is still at the level I had before I closed the lid
17:02 < Dan39> how did you resolve that Siva_Machina ?
17:02 < autopsy> Siva_Machina, systemd has a service for preserving the backlight brightness.
17:03 < Dan39> systemd-backlightd? -_-
17:03 < phinxy> I compiled a kernel module and the make spit out a .mod.ko, whats that?
17:03 < autopsy> No. Intel_save_backlight_brightness or something.
17:03 < autopsy> phinxy, that is your module you can load using modprobe
17:03 < Siva_Machina> I modified a line in /etc/default/grub to read
17:04 < Siva_Machina> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor"
17:04 < Tech_8> hi
17:04 < autopsy> .ko kernel object.
17:04 < phinxy> Arch wiki is really something
17:04 < phinxy> easy to follow and on the point
17:04 < Dan39> KISS
17:05 < autopsy> phinxy, you can make install to install the module to your kernel tree I think. Then use depmod -ae and modprobe
17:05 < autopsy> phinxy, what page are you reading?
17:05 < Siva_Machina> Then I ran sudo update-grub and rebooted
17:06 < autopsy> Siva_Machina, my brightness gets restored on powerup.
17:06 < autopsy> I have an LCD screen too though two monitors.
17:07 < autopsy> One on VGA 15 pin and the laptop screen.
17:07 < Dan39> thanks for letting us know it's a 15 pin VGA... -_-
17:07 < autopsy> Dan39 for completeness man come on.
17:07 < autopsy> I'm not that old.
17:08 < Dan39> are there other style VGA connectors?
17:08 < searedvandal> til how many pins there is on vga
17:08 < searedvandal> :p
17:08 < autopsy> 9 pin I think.
17:08 < autopsy> 9 and 15
17:09 < autopsy> searedvandal, haha thats funy funy guy.
17:09 < Dan39> DE-15 has been conventionally referred to ambiguously as D-sub 15, incorrectly as DB-15 and often as HD-15 (High Density, to distinguish it from the DE-9 connector used on the older CGA and EGA cards, as well as some early VGA cards,[1] which have the same E shell size but only two rows of pins). The video connector is an "E" size D-sub connector, with 15 pins in three rows, which is the high-density
17:09 < Dan39> connector version (DE15HD).
17:09 < Dan39> is the 9 pin really VGA?
17:10 < autopsy> Dan39 I think it had 9 and some had 15.
17:10 < autopsy> Hi xxx
17:10 < searedvandal> de-9 is cga
17:11 < autopsy> Ok maybe I'm wrong then.
17:11 < Dan39> sorry <_<
17:11 < searedvandal> no you're right autopsy
17:11 < Dan39> oh, he is?
17:11 < oiaohm> VGA 9 pin has no ID pins.
17:11 < searedvandal> "VGA connector variants include DE-15/HD-15 (canonical), DE-9, RGB or RGBHV on separate BNC connectors, Mini-VGA, DVI/Mini-DVI/Micro-DVI."
17:11 < autopsy> DE-9
17:12 < autopsy> RGB
17:12 < oiaohm> VGA 15 has ID pins so it possible for video card to kind of detect what kind of monitor you plugged in.
17:12 < autopsy> No ID pins got ya.
17:12 < searedvandal> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-subminiature#Computer_video_output
17:12 < autopsy> Wikipedia is amazing.
17:12 < searedvandal> sure is
17:13 < Dan39> (though some early VGA devices still used DE9 connectors)
17:13 < Dan39> ok, legit.
17:13 < autopsy> Yeah see.
17:13 < oiaohm> first generation VGA devices did not have ID feature.  Its when the vga protocol was updated those were add.
17:14 < oiaohm> so all early are 9pin.
17:14 < autopsy> I've got a 15 pin VGA LCD connected to my laptop.
17:14 < oiaohm> Also some laptops latter had 9pin instead of 15
17:14 < oiaohm> Really vga is when the idea of plug and play monitor appears.
17:15 < autopsy> oiaohm, yeah that is more right.
17:15 < autopsy> PnP monitor.
17:16 < maryo> while starting jbosseap7 service, I am getting an error message. Any help would be appreciated. Here is the error message https://dpaste.de/Uhqe/raw
17:16 < kazdax> when io try and copy a filemore than 4 gigs which is around 4.3 gigs onto the usb
17:16 < kazdax> it stops copying at 4.0 gigs and it just says copying but nothing is happening
17:16 < kazdax> i downloaded a different iso of the same content
17:16 < kazdax> and even its doing the same thing..i tried 2 different usbs but still the same thing
17:17 < autopsy> kazdax, NO WAY COPY USING CP INSTEAD OF FILE BROWSER.
17:17 < kazdax> k
17:17 < autopsy> Oops caps lock key was pressed.
17:18 < Dan39> kazdax: uh did you format it fat or something? -_-
17:18 < autopsy> kazdax, use cp forget the file browser for now.
17:18 < kazdax> yes fat
17:18 < autopsy> Dan39 yeah vfat maybe.
17:18 < kazdax> k
17:18 < Dan39> well fat only supports 4gb files
17:18 < autopsy> kazdax, vfat can hold only 4GB files.
17:18 < kazdax> mkfs.vfat
17:18 < Dan39> -_-
17:18 < kazdax> ohh
17:18 < kazdax> lol
17:18 < autopsy> Duh Silly goose.
17:18 < Dan39> live and learn
17:18 < kazdax> i forgo the while windows file format thing
17:19 < autopsy> kazdax, mkfs.ext3 next time
17:19 < kazdax> k
17:19 < luka_33> has there been issues regarding legacy AMD drivers?
17:19 < luka_33> i.e black screens that rolling back doesn't seem to fix
17:19 < autopsy> luka_33, not that I know of.
17:19 < luka_33> Hmmm
17:19 < Dan39> luka_33: catalyst driver?
17:19 < autopsy> luka_33, what distro?
17:20 < luka_33> Well originally ubuntu, but research has seen it replicated in windows and others as well
17:20 < luka_33> It's actually quite odd
17:20 < Dan39> maybe hardware is going bad
17:20 < autopsy> luka_33, how legacy how old?
17:21 < autopsy> luka_33, radeon should still work.
17:22 < autopsy> luka_33, I thiink you mean ATi
17:22 < kazdax> do you think if i tell the dell people i want a computer that is compatible with linux
17:22 < luka_33> I'll chaulk it up to hardware error because the integrated still works
17:22 < kazdax> they would be able to provide one
17:22 < luka_33> But its been a real bitch to diagnose
17:22 < Dan39> kazdax: yea dell even has ubuntu laptops
17:22 < autopsy> luka_33, huuuh don't say that lolz.
17:22 < kazdax> ubuntu laptop would mean i could run debian on them without problems
17:22 < kazdax> ?
17:23 < autopsy> Yeah.
17:23 < luka_33> what
17:23 < autopsy> Dell laptops are made for Linux.
17:23 < luka_33> ?
17:23 < autopsy> luka_33, you mean ATi
17:23 < luka_33> I'm actually unsure as it's not personally my hardware
17:23 < luka_33> I'm just digging for possible solutions to the issue
17:23 < autopsy> AMD is processor architecture.
17:24 < luka_33> Ah thanks
17:24 < autopsy> luka_33, you mean ATi video.
17:24 < luka_33> Probably I have zero experience regarding AMD/Ati cards
17:24 < autopsy> Yeah It's nVidia and ATi
17:24 < autopsy> Intel.
17:24 < autopsy> Etc.
17:25 < luka_33> Gotcha
17:25 < luka_33> I've only recently been migrating towards the AMD side of hardware
17:25 < luka_33> i.e ryzen
17:25 < qman__> AMD dropped the ATi brand shortly after acquiring them
17:25 < autopsy> Ryzen are nice aren't they?
17:25 < luka_33> Damn straight
17:25 < qman__> They are AMD graphics now
17:25 < luka_33> bought it right before the whole spectre/meltdown fiasco
17:25 < autopsy> Ok AMD graphics then.
17:25 < luka_33> Never felt so good
17:26 < autopsy> luka_33, sorry its AMD now years have passed.
17:26 < luka_33> Ah now I remember
17:26 < luka_33> the card was one of the Radeon series
17:26 < kazdax> okay this time i formated with mkfs.ext3
17:26 < autopsy> Yeah ATi was a thing.
17:26 < autopsy> Radeon right.
17:26 < kazdax> i should not expect any problems with over 4 gig files
17:26 < luka_33> probably circa 2010 or older
17:27 < kazdax> but i still did it with GUI
17:27 < autopsy> kazdax, nope copy away.
17:27 < Enumera__> why do i kep getting function not implmentated for swapon
17:27 < qman__> Radeon HD is after the AMD acquisition
17:27 < autopsy> Enumera__, show us the output are you using busybox?
17:27 < qman__> Radeon 9800 and X series were ATi
17:27 < luka_33> in any case regarding the error itself
17:28 < luka_33> It's not a hardware issue because the windows menus properly render
17:28 < autopsy> Enumera__, function hasn't been compiled into your busybox binary.
17:28 < Enumera__> swapon /opt/swap.page
17:28 < Enumera__> swapon: /opt/swap.page: swapon failed: Function not implemented
17:28 < Enumera__> but it is present
17:28 < Enumera__> when i do which swapon
17:28 < luka_33> And it'll boot in safe, (and before you say windows it's the parent's computer)
17:28 < luka_33> so oh well
17:29 < Enumera__> it says /opt/sbin/swapon
17:29 < Enumera__> so its there
17:29 < autopsy> Enumera__, try compiling it into your busybox binary as a module first.
17:29 < Enumera__> ah yes
17:29 < Enumera__> did not think of that
17:29 < autopsy> Enumera__, easy fix recompile set swapon as a function in the configuration before you run make.
17:30 < phinxy> 'gg' was not "go to top" in aptitude :)
17:30 < Enumera__> or could i just do insmod /opt/sbin/swapon
17:30 < autopsy> Enumera__, even if /opt/sbin/swapon exists you need to use the full path to swappon like /opt/sbin/swapon file.swap
17:30 < Enumera__> o wait its not a module lmfao
17:30 < autopsy> So it doesn't call busybox first.
17:31 < autopsy> Its not a module for insmod.
17:31 < Enumera__> yea it worked
17:31 < Enumera__> autopsy you are god
17:31 < autopsy> Enumera__, thanks just trying to set you straight here.
17:31 < Enumera__> eh aother error now /opt/sbin/swapon: insecure permissions 0755, 0600 suggested.
17:32 < autopsy> Enumera__, its not a function implemented in your busybox it's a binary ELF on disk.
17:32 < HelloFriend> i configure ISC-DHCP on ubuntu but it won't start is this because of network-manager ? i didn't see any of my interfaces in so i added this: auto enp0s8 iface enp0s8 inet static address 10.10.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.10.10.255 dns-nameservers 10.10.10..1
17:32 < HelloFriend> anything else i'm missing?
17:32 < Enumera__> autopsy o wait
17:32 < Enumera__> nvm
17:32 < Enumera__> that was stupid i was so careless ahah got it
17:32 < autopsy> Enumera__, try chmod 0600 file.swap first.
17:33 < Enumera__> already did that
17:33 < autopsy> Ok.
17:33 < Enumera__> no it doesnt work still
17:33 < autopsy> Enumera__, show me some output pastebin something.
17:33 < Enumera__> swapon: /opt/swap.page: swapon failed: Function not implemented
17:34 < Enumera__> just 1 line lol
17:34 < b> Check if dnsmasq is running.  I think Ubuntu uses resolvconf that calls dnsmasq.
17:34 < autopsy> Enumera__, use the fullpath /opt/sbin/swapon file.swap
17:34 < gambl0re> dpkg is package manager for debian systems and apt is package manager for ubuntu systems?
17:34 < Enumera__> yep did so
17:34 < Enumera__> same error
17:34 < BCMM> gambl0re: not quite
17:34 < gambl0re> BCMM, what do you mean
17:34 < autopsy> Enumera__, is /opt/sbin/swapon a symbolic link?
17:34 < Enumera__> let me check
17:35 < BCMM> gambl0re: dpkg is the package manager for ubuntu and debian
17:35 < gambl0re> BCMM, no its not.
17:35 < BCMM> gambl0re: apt is a tool that uses dpkg (on both ubuntu and debian)
17:35 < gambl0re> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/dpkg.html.en
17:36 < BCMM> gambl0re: have you read the first sentence of that?
17:36 < gambl0re> dpkg is a package manager for Debian-based systems
17:36 < gambl0re> is ubuntu debian?
17:36 < autopsy> Ubuntu is Debian based.
17:36 < Psi-Jack> No, Ubuntu is a fork of Debian.
17:36 < Enumera__> hm maybe i should mount the usb optware to the /sbin
17:36 < BCMM> gambl0re: yes, ubuntu is a debian-derived distro
17:36 < ioerror88> In irssi how do you show the last log text which you were highlighted in? (when a channel shows magenta in activity list)
17:36 < Enumera__> er bind
17:36 < BCMM> gambl0re: no, it is not actually debian
17:36 < gambl0re> wtf is debian?
17:37  * Psi-Jack falls out of his chair.
17:37 < humanity> greetz gentz
17:37 < BCMM> gambl0re: debian is a linux distribution...
17:37 < gambl0re> wtf is apt, dpkg and wtf is debian
17:37 < BCMM> gambl0re: ubuntu is another linux distribution that's based on debian
17:37 < Enumera__> since the kernel does not seem to have swap built in
17:37 < Psi-Jack> gambl0re: Debian is one of the few original Linux distributions. :p
17:37 < gambl0re> BCMM can i pm you?
17:37 < Psi-Jack> Use the channel. No need to go PM.
17:37 < BCMM> gambl0re: dpkg is a package manager, it is what actually installs and removes packages. apt, amongst other things, is able to automatically download packages and their dependancies, which it then installs using dpkg
17:37 < Psi-Jack> apt is a repository manager for package databases.
17:38 < humanity> the hot question, where do all the adequate people now store their open sounce code ? taking in consediration that github is being bought ...
17:38 < triceratux> gambl0re: apt & dpkg are part of the defining characteristics of a debian distro
17:38 < ioerror88> debian is one of the most mature and stable distribution of Linux available. There are many based off it and it's tools.
17:38 < b> gitlab?
17:38 < Pentode> Enumera__, did you compile the kernel without swap or something?
17:38 < Enumera__> i did not compile the kernel
17:38 < BCMM> gambl0re: what Psi-Jack said. this channel is a good place for asking and answering questions, not a place to find a person to pm with your questions
17:38 < Enumera__> i used the latest ddwrt 2018
17:38 < tds> humanity: on the little git server sitting next to me
17:38 < Pentode> weird
17:38 < autopsy> Pentode, he's trying to run shells on an ddwrt appliance with busybox not using function swapon I gather.
17:38 < humanity> b, yez, is it the same ? I mean does it provides exactly the same functionality ?
17:39 < Pentode> oh
17:39 < gambl0re> apt is for downloading packages, dpkg is for installing/removing packages?
17:39 < autopsy> Pentode he needs to recompile busybox.
17:39 < ioerror88> nevermind..that's a BitchX feature... Man a lot has changed on irc
17:39 < dgurney> the most "adequate" people don't do knee-jerk reactions, but instead wait and see first
17:39 < humanity> tdjb_: nice1 :D, please share details :D
17:39 < ioerror88> is BitchX still an irc client?
17:39 < phinxy> I installed a new linux-image but decided to revert back by restoring the backup Image.bak,dtb.bak & init.rd.bak.  How do i tell Aptitude to uninstall the darn package?  It complains about dependencies and stuff.
17:40 < Psi-Jack> If it was once, it still is.
17:40 < Psi-Jack> ioerror88: ^
17:40 < Enumera__> meh its fine i dont need swap anyways
17:40 < autopsy> ioerror88, yes BitchX is still available.
17:40 < Enumera__> fk the ipset
17:40 < BCMM> gambl0re: yes. a user seldom uses dpkg directly, and from a user's perspective it makes sense to call apt a "package manager"
17:40 < Psi-Jack> Enumera__: Kindly mind the language.
17:40 < ioerror88> Psi-Jack: I rather should say still maintained and safe to use. Sorry.
17:40 < Enumera__> sorry lol
17:40 < BCMM> gambl0re: but the actual low-level package management is done through dpkg
17:40 < Psi-Jack> ioerror88: It was never "safe" to use. The auto-away announcement was one of the biggest PITAs of it.
17:40 < gambl0re> when i do something like sudo apt-get <package>, im downloading the package not installing?
17:40 < slondr> "package installer" and "package manager" are not the same thing
17:41 < slondr> "package manager" usually means resolving dependencies, keeping track of what's installed, etc.
17:41 < ioerror88> Psi-Jack: Agreed, I always turned that nonsense off during my initial setup.
17:41 < slondr> meta stuff
17:41 < BCMM> gambl0re: i told you earlier, apt will call dpkg for you
17:41 < ioerror88> But there were nice themes...
17:41 < Psi-Jack> gambl0re: `apt-get install` resolves, downloads, and installs.
17:41 < autopsy> ioerror88, try dnf install BitchX
17:41 < gambl0re> ok so apt is just a tool to use dpkg which will install/remove?
17:41 < slondr> pkg_add is not a package manager but pkg is
17:41 < BCMM> gambl0re: if you do apt-get install <package>, apt will download .DEBs for <package> *as well as any other packages required by it*
17:42 < BCMM> gambl0re: and then it will use dpkg to install them
17:42 < slondr> apt is a package manager, dpkg is not
17:42 < b> humanity: gitlab appears to be a bit different visiting it for the first time.  Some sites I've git cloned are still there after the takeover and I don't believe they're going to move.
17:42 < BCMM> all automatically
17:42 < BCMM> slondr: man dpkg
17:42 < balletjebal> github is being bought hows that ?
17:42 < slondr> BCMM: "No manual entry for dpkg"
17:42 < slondr> :^)
17:42 < ioerror88> autopsy: Seems wikipedia says the know vulns were fixed in last release.. but its been 3years since a release
17:42 < gambl0re> but when i do apt-get <package>, dpkg will automatically install after package has been downloaded?
17:42 < ioerror88> I guess i'll just learn to like irssi...
17:42 < Pentode> hehe. BotchX
17:42 < BCMM> slondr: well, on a debian machine *obviously*
17:42 < slondr> lol
17:43 < BCMM> slondr: "dpkg - package manager for Debian"
17:43 < slondr> fake news
17:43 < gambl0re> BCMM, is that correct?
17:43 < ioerror88> Not saying anything bad about irssi, it is just...different looking.
17:43 < autopsy> GitHub is being bought by Microsoft.
17:43 < ioerror88> autopsy: Yes :(
17:43 < BCMM> balletjebal: well, github is a private company, and microsoft gave a bunch of either shares or money to the people that used to own it
17:43 < slondr> For $7.5 billion
17:43 < slondr> mostly in shaes
17:43 < autopsy> This has got to end.
17:44 < BCMM> balletjebal: and now microsoft owns it, because they bought it from the people that used to own it. does that clarify things at all?
17:44 < slondr> They also gave the owners of GitHub lucrative positions within Microsoft
17:44 < balletjebal> hmm it does butr not that im to fund of m$ owning opensource sites
17:44 < autopsy> GitHub is now MicroHub.
17:44 < slondr> what
17:44 < BCMM> gambl0re: yes, that's correct. apt will use dpkg for that.
17:44 < slondr> balletjebal: what
17:45 < BCMM> balletjebal: github hosts a lot of open-source projects, but the site itself has never been open-source
17:46 < BCMM> it was always practically inevitable that at some point in the future, it would become in some way unappealing to use
17:46 < jim> or at least the dpkg libs
17:46 < Siva_Machina> Gitlab for the most part is
17:46 < Siva_Machina> opensource
17:46 < BCMM> i don't think MS buying it has significantly increased the chances of that, really
17:46 < balletjebal> k , just saying im not that big of a M$ fan
17:46 < searedvandal> only time will tell how MS plans to destroy github
17:46 < morf> oh come on i like their hit "developers, developers" :)
17:47 < slondr> """""micro"""""soft
17:47 < autopsy> MicroShady!
17:47 < BCMM> balletjebal: because they're not very pro-open source?
17:47 < gambl0re> BCM
17:47 < gambl0re> BCMM, thanks
17:47 < BCMM> well guess what, github wasn't that before either!
17:47 < balletjebal> indeed
17:47 < BCMM> gambl0re: no problem!
17:47 < phinxy> aha, aptitude need the --force option to force old package.  Where does that go?
17:47 < jim> okok :)
17:47 < HelloFriend> autopsy apart from the usual config of assign the interface to isc-dhcp-server and setting in dhcpd.conf do i have to config anything else?
17:48 < slondr> The best part about this situation is how SourceForge has put out a bunch of blog posts trying to paint themselves as the new savior of open source technology
17:48 < slondr> When they're still a steaming pile of trash
17:48 < BCMM> slondr: they still pushing adware on Windows builds?
17:48 < gambl0re> i still dont understand the Quick Start https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt
17:49 < slondr> They've stopped with the adware but their website UI is still awful
17:49 < jim> gambl0re, what did you want to get from pg?
17:49 < autopsy> HelloFriend, I don't know dhcpd.conf needs options though.
17:49 < gambl0re> jim, i want to install pgadmin3
17:49 < BCMM> gambl0re: um, are you actually trying to install postgresql, or did you get there while trying to find a general howto on using apt?
17:49 < autopsy> gambl0re, you've had enough haven't you?
17:49 < jim> gambl0re, what os are you running?
17:49 < slondr> gambl0re: hello
17:50 < gambl0re> xubuntu
17:50 < gambl0re> slondr, hi
17:50 < jim> which version?
17:50 < gambl0re> 19
17:50 < Psi-Jack> No such version.
17:50 < gambl0re> the newest version
17:51 < Psi-Jack> 18.04?
17:51 < autopsy> No such number no such home.
17:51 < gambl0re> yea
17:51 < Psi-Jack> That's April 2018's version. The 18 is 2018, the 04 is April.
17:51 < autopsy> Return to sender. Address unknown.
17:51 < BCMM> gambl0re: you can check with the command `lsb_release -a`
17:51 < gambl0re> its 18.04
17:51 < gambl0re> what does this do? deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ stretch-pgdg main
17:51 < gambl0re> and this? sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/ $(lsb_release -cs)-pgdg main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/pgdg.list'
17:52 < autopsy> Adds a repository to your sources.
17:52 < BCMM> gambl0re: so you remember how apt can automatically download packages from the internet? that line tells apt about a new place it can download stuff from
17:53 < BCMM> gambl0re: so now as well as getting packages from Ubuntu developers, it will also get packages directly from postgresql's own repository
17:53 < autopsy> BCMM he's omn the hard road down repo hell.
17:53 < BCMM> autopsy: yup...
17:53 < autopsy> Legt him learn though.
17:53 < BCMM> gambl0re: any reason you can't just use the version already included in ubuntu's own repo?
17:54 < gambl0re> im using xubuntu
17:54 < autopsy> He doesn't know of one obviously.
17:54 < slondr> apt is a package """""""manager"""""""
17:55 < slondr> (read: ppa installer helper)
17:55 < gambl0re> slondr, no its not.its a command line tool to download packages which will then use dpkg to install packages
17:55 < jim> pgadmin3 is older I think
17:55 < slondr> dpkg is a placebo
17:55 < gambl0re> ok then whats the best way to install pgadmin3?
17:55 < searedvandal> pgadmin3 is already in ubuntu's own repos for 18.04
17:55 < slondr> apt is the real drug
17:55 < searedvandal> sudo apt-get install pgadmin3
17:56 < slondr> but who knows what apt actually does
17:56 < slondr> all I know is the placebo tastes great. gimme more doc
17:56 < gambl0re> then why doesnt that website just say that instead of having everyone input a boat load of commands?
17:56 < BCMM> oh looks like ubuntu is really quite a bit behind
17:56 < autopsy> apt is a mystery.
17:56 < gambl0re> searedvandal, is that all i really have to do?
17:56 < BCMM> slondr: if you don't know what you're talking about, why are you still saying things?
17:56 < phinxy> something tells me to use --force but I dont know what.  apt does not have a --force option.
17:57 < gambl0re> BCMM, thats why i rather pm cause there are people in here who dont know wtf they're talking about
17:57 < autopsy> phinxy, why are you using Debian still?
17:57 < phinxy> "Ignoring old or unknown version" and then proceeds to install a newer one
17:57 < gambl0re> i trust your advice
17:57 < jim> gambl0re, maybe, give it a try
17:57 < BCMM> oh now, i'm looking at it wrong... the ubuntu version of pgadmin3 is up-to-date
17:57 < phinxy> autopsy• Im not a hacker like you
17:57 < BCMM> it's just that pgadmin4 is a thing now too
17:57 < searedvandal> gambl0re, I searched for pgadmin3 on https://packages.ubuntu.com - looks like it's in their repo for 18.04, so yes, you should be able to install pgadmin3 with that line
17:58 < jim> yeah, looks that way to me too
17:58 < slondr> autopsy makes a valid point
17:58 < BCMM> gambl0re: so you can get pgadmin3 straight from postgresql's repos by following the steps on that wiki, or you can just use the package provided by ubuntu
17:58 < BCMM> gambl0re: unless you have a good reason not to, it's always better to use your distro's packages
17:58 < searedvandal> yeah, go for ubuntu's own package
17:58 < BCMM> gambl0re: it's just less different thing to worry about and less to break in the future
17:58 < autopsy> slondr, I do?
17:58 < BCMM> gambl0re: so you can literally just do `sudo apt-get install pgadmin3`
17:59 < searedvandal> though I'm sure the postgres repo packages for debian would work fine on ubuntu, you never know
17:59 < slondr> autopsy: yeah
17:59 < autopsy> slondr, why he still using Debian one?
17:59 < slondr> yep
17:59 < autopsy> Ok you're right I do. Haha.
17:59 < slondr> should be using slackware
17:59 < autopsy> Slackware is the bomb.
18:00 < gambl0re> ok wtf. i did sudo apt-get install pgadmin3 and it worked fine. thanks for whoever suggested that command
18:00 < slondr> slackware is the only distro that still works if you slack off
18:00 < BCMM> searedvandal: it specifically says it supports ubuntu 18.04 as well as debian
18:00 < slondr> gambl0re: nice. welcome to linux
18:00 < gambl0re> then why does that website say to do a whole bunch of commands
18:00 < slondr> it's a magical place where things actually work
18:00 < searedvandal> gambl0re, great. glad you got it working
18:00 < autopsy> Slackworks.
18:00 < searedvandal> BCMM, I spoke too soon.
18:00 < autopsy> Slacks and a jacket.
18:01 < gambl0re> i still dont know why https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt has a list of commands to install pgadmin3
18:01 < BCMM> gambl0re: yeah, a lot of projects have installation directions for getting the software directly from them. it's always worth checking if you actually need to, though
18:01 < autopsy> Slackbuntu.
18:01 < gambl0re> when all i needed was one simple command
18:01 < jim> debian-1.0 never existed... the infomagic cd set released something they called debian-1.0, so debian responded by "blacklisting" the version name 1.0
18:01 < jim> they then went to 1.1
18:01 < gambl0re> BCMM, how do i check if a package is part of ubuntu's official repository
18:01 < slondr> gambl0re: apt search `packagename`
18:01 < BCMM> sometimes the project is doing it because the distros are too slow in updating their packages, and sometimes they're doing it just because they don't like other people having a say in how their stuff is packaged, i.e. they don't actually understand what distros are for
18:02 < jim> gambl0re, packages.ubuntu.com is one way
18:02 < searedvandal> gambl0re, either the command slondr gave you or https://packages.ubuntu.com/
18:02 < BCMM> gambl0re: apt search whatever on the command line, or use https://packages.ubuntu.com/
18:02 < autopsy> Why are you all using xubuntu still anyways?
18:02 < searedvandal> all?
18:02 < autopsy> searedvandal, not you.
18:02 < searedvandal> :)
18:02 < triceratux> gambl0re: you can also browse ubuntu mirrors on the web http://yandex-asia.archive.parrotsec.org/ubuntu/pool/
18:02 < balletjebal> autopsy: does slackware contain as much as parrot does ?
18:03 < autopsy> balletjebal, I know they installed from 44 floppies back in 1995.
18:03 < slondr> by gamble
18:03 < triceratux> autopsy: xfce is the only hope
18:03 < slondr> i3*
18:03 < searedvandal> oh, slackware. me and slackware had a love/hate relationship in the late 90s
18:03 < searedvandal> never again
18:03 < balletjebal> k
18:03 < autopsy> Slackware was bad ass.
18:03 < slondr> slackware was the first linux I ever installed on metal
18:04 < gambl0re> if followed the install instructions from https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt, would it be the exact same thing?
18:04 < slondr> lasted about three days before I broke it
18:04 < slondr> man that was a long time ago
18:04 < autopsy> 3 days what?
18:04 < slondr> gambl0re: probably not
18:04 < autopsy> Thats no good.
18:04 < autopsy> searedvandal, I used 44 floppies to install Slackware in 95 .
18:04 < slondr> autopsy: yeah I was quite the noob back then. I went Slackware -> Ubuntu -> Arch and didn't really get good until I started using arch
18:05 < Elladan> I remember installing slackware, and then discovering that this thing called "hat red" or something had a thing called a "package manager", and wanting to switch to that back in the '90s.
18:05 < searedvandal> autopsy, nice! I've supressed my slackware memories
18:05 < autopsy> Elladan, I went to RedHat 9 from Slackware 1.2.1
18:05 < autopsy> searedvandal, yeah Slackworks!
18:06 < searedvandal> had a brief affair with redhat too
18:06 < Elladan> ... except I didn't have any method to make backups, so I had to do it by somehow getting the base rpms to install in a chroot and then live-rotating everything somehow that I can't remember.
18:06 < autopsy> Elladan, sounds too complex.
18:06 < Elladan> All I know is that it was completely crazy and I can't understand how I ended up with a bootable system. :-)
18:06 < balletjebal> damn fel such a noob i was on a windows machine since last week
18:07 < autopsy> Elladan, yeah it booted yay!
18:07 < slondr> lol
18:07 < solidfox> windows is lame
18:07 < autopsy> Using loadlin
18:07 < solidfox> linux is cool
18:07 < autopsy> To load a linux kernel from DOS
18:07 < balletjebal> it is now i see
18:07 < solidfox> balletjebal, i still use it for work tho
18:07 < solidfox> though*
18:07 < searedvandal> oh, loadlin <3
18:08 < autopsy> yuep.
18:08 < balletjebal> wel to be honest im on VM trying out linux
18:08 < autopsy> balletjebal, try Fedora 27.
18:08 < autopsy> Not lubuntu or xubuntu
18:09 < autopsy> Those are lame.
18:09 < balletjebal> im in parrot with all stuff installed cause im interested in the "other" stuff also :P
18:10 < autopsy> balletjebal, didn't know there was a parrot in distro land.
18:10 < autopsy> What other stuff?
18:11 < Death916> it appears parrot is kinda like kali
18:11 < Death916> so that stuff probably
18:11 < balletjebal> yup with stuff i mean bacltrack kali like stuff
18:11 < autopsy> Oh penetration testing suites.
18:12 < triceratux> parrotsec is a far too little known alternative to kali
18:12 < triceratux> https://www.linux.com/learn/security/parrot-security-could-be-your-next-security-tool
18:12 < autopsy> Kali was on a friends machine he couldn't get it to do stuff he wanted for the life of him. He had a wifi repeater in his room.
18:12 < autopsy> Old friend.
18:13 < searedvandal> oh the days of backtrack and random kids wanting to be hackers
18:13 < autopsy> I never saw Kali.
18:13 < autopsy> Or backtraq
18:13 < autopsy> RedHat 9 to Fedora 27 here.
18:13 < solidfox> autopsy, it's backtrack
18:13 < autopsy> Ok. Sorry.
18:14 < balletjebal> installed backtrack on my android device some time ago thats what got me interested in linux
18:14 < autopsy> balletjebal, Android has a Linux kernel don't they?
18:14 < balletjebal> yeps
18:14 < autopsy> Kernel 3.10.9 or something.
18:15 < autopsy> solidfox, yeah backtrack then.
18:15 < balletjebal> as far as i know parrot was the next thing to backtrack
18:15 < searedvandal> my phone has kernel 3.10.107
18:15 < autopsy> searedvandal, ok yeah.
18:16 < autopsy> Ok 3.10.107
18:16 < searedvandal> I use lineageOS or what its called on my phone
18:17 < triceratux> Linux 3.18.24-9931925 armv7l <-- marshmallow 6.0.1
18:17 < autopsy> RedHat is pulling strings down in the kernel department with Linux though.
18:17 < autopsy> I got 6.0.1 t oo.
18:17 < slondr> I'm on kernel 3.18.66
18:17 < slondr> OxygenOS 5.0.3 / Android 8.0.0
18:17 < autopsy> Wow so many variants.
18:18 < balletjebal> so am i ubuntu rom that is
18:18 < autopsy> Kernel 3.0 was a mess though.
18:18 < balletjebal> rooted
18:18 < slondr> Yeah idk why android won't switch to Linux 4
18:18 < autopsy> balletjebal, rooted how?
18:18 < slondr> autopsy: that's a thing you can do with android phones
18:19 < autopsy> slondr big mistake.
18:19 < balletjebal> i just flashed it with another rom
18:19 < slondr> autopsy: why?
18:19 < slondr> I ran rooted + xposed for years
18:19 < autopsy> balletjebal, you flashed it with ROMs?
18:19 < slondr> autopsy do you know how android works lmao
18:19 < autopsy> slondr oh rooted and xposed ok.
18:19 < balletjebal> xposed doesnt workj for me anymore
18:19 < autopsy> slondr, no maybe not.
18:20 < slondr> Has it been updated past Marshmellow yet?
18:20 < balletjebal> not that i know
18:20 < slondr> Last time I checked (a year ago) it still required Android 6.1 or below
18:20 < slondr> That's unfortunate
18:20 < autopsy> What the hell is rooted?
18:20 < balletjebal> lol :P
18:20 < slondr> You know how in linux you can do su root
18:20 < autopsy> HYeah.
18:20 < slondr> in android you usually can't do that. rooting a phone makes it so you can.
18:21 < autopsy> Ok.
18:21 < Elladan> Android phones come with the root account locked so the administrator can't access it or any functions.
18:21 < slondr> And then you have full access to your unix computer that is your phone and then you can do some real crazy shit
18:21 < autopsy> Wow ok.
18:21 < slondr> xposed lets you install new kernel modules too, so you can do some REAL crazy shit
18:21 < Elladan> There's usually some bug in their anti-security scheme though, so you can hack in and install a rootkit to let you use your own phone.
18:21 < autopsy> I got no rooted on my phone.
18:21 < Elladan> This is what people mean when they say "rooted" with a phone.
18:21 < searedvandal> a bunch of apps won't work if you have rooted your phone
18:22 < searedvandal> which is the downside
18:22 < slondr> searedvandal: yes, but that's easily spoofable with Magisk
18:22 < autopsy> Knox is a security measure.
18:22 < slondr> Magisk can spoof SafetyNet level 1, so you can use Snapchat while rooted, but not level 2, so you can't use Android Pay
18:22 < slondr> (at least the last time I tried)
18:22 < balletjebal> if you hide superuser lib most of them still work
18:22 < searedvandal> slondr, sure. there are ways around it, but for my usecase I don't really need it. my banking apps I can live without
18:22 < Elladan> As part of the modern push towards making devices locked down DRM things, the "security" community has been trying to spread the idea that having root on your own device that you own is actually a security problem and should not be allowed at very least, by the way. On the higher end there is the suggestion that it's somehow illegal or immoral.
18:23 < slondr> Elladan: exactly. In reality it's fun, and lets you do cool things
18:23 < autopsy> Ok.
18:23 < autopsy> Can you use secure shell to connect to a laptop?
18:23 < slondr> Such as flash new ROMs to keep your device up to date after your manufacturer has discontinued updates
18:23 < balletjebal> i modded my bank ap so its doesnt check :p
18:23 < slondr> autopsy: yep
18:23 < slondr> I do that with my desktop all the time
18:23 < autopsy> Ok.
18:24 < slondr> You can even install an X11 server and do X forwarding, which I also occasionally do, although the UX is suboptimal
18:24 < autopsy> Whats UX?
18:24 < searedvandal> balletjebal, you modded your bank app?
18:24 < slondr> user experience
18:24 < autopsy> Ok.
18:24 < slondr> rooting and installing the right packages turns your phone into a full-fledged linux distro that can also make calls
18:24 < autopsy> He mod'd it fo sho.
18:24 < balletjebal> yup rewrote it kept the hash and it worked
18:25 < searedvandal> cool
18:25 < slondr> Android has built-in support for keyboards, mice, and monitors, so it actually works like a portable linux machine too
18:25 < Elladan> I'm expecting there to be a push to outlaw root and/or installing your own OS in various jurisdictions within 15 years.
18:25 < slondr> RMS will never let that happen
18:25 < slondr> In fact the Supreme Court has already ruled about this lmao
18:25 < autopsy> Oh really?
18:25 < slondr> so it'd require a constitutional amendment in the U.S. NEVER going to happen.
18:26 < Elladan> It absolutely does not
18:26 < slondr> Yeah Sony or Nintendo or someone sued a bunch of homebrewers for homebrewing on game consoles two decades ago. Went to the SCOTUS, SCOTUS said it's allowed as long as you don't sell your stuff or violate actual copyright laws
18:26 < balletjebal> horizon checked my rooted phone and it wouldnt let me watch tv on my phone
18:26 < balletjebal> because it was rooted
18:26 < Elladan> It's essentially already there as an opt-in law allowing manufacturers to have you arrested for violating their access restrictions.
18:27 < slondr> besides friendly reminder that hardware checks disabling software modifications violate the GPL
18:27 < slondr> you can't get arrested for a TOS violation unless it also violates law
18:27 < Elladan> Also, the way these things usually work is to get a few gateway jurisdictions and then force it on everyone else via trade treaty, so probably it'll start in Japan or something.
18:27 < slondr> Elladan: yeah that would be very unfortunate
18:28 < autopsy> fsck the Japs.
18:28 < autopsy> We got them.
18:29 < autopsy> This isn't a flame war.
18:29 < Elladan> There's also been a big push towards signature-locking the boot loader sequence in case you haven't noticed, and the only reason Linux still installs on a lot of modern computers is because Microsoft countersigns grub.
18:29 < slondr> Elladan: um, what?
18:29 < slondr> I've never run into those issues and I don't use GRUB.
18:30 < slondr> You can always disable Secure Boot in the BIOS.
18:30 < Elladan> You can't always disable it.
18:30 < slondr> I've never seen a computer where you can't, and I've seen many computers.
18:30 < autopsy> slondr what do you use not if Grub2?
18:30 < slondr> autopsy: systemd on EFI machines, LILO on BIOS machines
18:31 < autopsy> slondr ok LILO
18:33  * Siva_Machina join #ubuntu-offtopic
18:33 < Siva_Machina> ....
18:33 < Siva_Machina> fail
18:33 < autopsy> No join lubuntu-offtopic
18:33 < balletjebal> :P
18:34 < autopsy> Duh.
18:34 < King_DuckZ> hi, I've put an ssd which I suspected to be faulty into my netbook and it didn't work so I put the original hard disk back inside and now the system won't boot anymore, it says PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable
18:34 < King_DuckZ> but I can boot from cd and I can mount the hard disk just fine, I can even chroot, I tried re-installing grub but I still can't boot without a cdrom, what's going on??
18:34 < Li> how to make cpu cores share the execution fairly? what I see from htop is always 1 core 100% and other is 1% to 3%!!!
18:34 < Siva_Machina> lxde? haha no
18:34 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, its trying to boot from the TFTP PXE server ethernet card.
18:35 < searedvandal> disable network boot in bios if you don't need it
18:35 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, go into your BIOS options and remove PXE network boot from the Boot sequence
18:35 < King_DuckZ> I never enabled it... but let me try
18:35 < pnbeast> Li, I don't know, but are you sure you want that?  Context switching to "balance" your cores will probably be a significant hit in performance.
18:36 < Elladan> Switching cores for no reason will also probably decrease battery life.
18:36 < autopsy> Balancing should already be being done.
18:37 < King_DuckZ> there's very little I can change, I see the boot priority list and it's got ST500LT012-9WS142, Realtek PXE B02 D00
18:37 < King_DuckZ> in that order
18:37 < autopsy> 134 degrees F on my cores.
18:38 < King_DuckZ> boot mode: legacy support, boot priority uefi first, usb boot enabled
18:38 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, yeah switch it to bottom of the list.
18:38 < King_DuckZ> autopsy: Realtek? it's already at the bottom
18:38 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, you wangt legacy support.
18:38 < Elladan> King_DuckZ, were you using uefi before?
18:39 < Elladan> You probably don't want PXE in your boot sequence at all.
18:39 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, its fine then just use LiveDVD Fedora 27 Workstation to install to Hard drive.
18:39 < demonxian3> what's time
18:39 < autopsy> Time now is 9:39 -0700
18:39 < Elladan> I mean you'd only ever want PXE if you have a PXE server. Otherwise it's just a security problem.
18:39 < autopsy> Elladan, he doesn't know what PXE stands for.
18:39 < autopsy> Pre Execution Environment.
18:39 < King_DuckZ> Elladan: I've always been using uefi, at least that was the intent when I set up this system, I've got an EFI partition that mounts into /boot/EFI
18:39 < demonxian3> 00:39 here
18:40 < King_DuckZ> autopsy: that would overwrite my system :(
18:40 < autopsy> King_DuckZ, oh ok. So no then.
18:41 < autopsy> KMing Ducks.
18:41 < autopsy> More like freakin doves. lol
18:41 < searedvandal> King_DuckZ, in bios, or right after power on you should be able to manually get a boot menu and choose which boot option you want to boot. manually select your drive and see if it boots
18:41 < balletjebal> how you copy those usernames so quit in a replay ?
18:42 < Death916> tab
18:42 < autopsy> balletjebal, say whaaa?
18:43 < autopsy> Hi Death916
18:43 < balletjebal> heheh srry m8 but i see you and others replaying quite fast using ppl names i just wondered how
18:43 < Death916> wassup autopsy
18:43 < Death916> press first letter then tab
18:43 < searedvandal> replying?
18:43 < balletjebal> yeah
18:43 < balletjebal> ah
18:43 < autopsy> balletjebal, tab key completes nicknames.
18:43 < balletjebal> god such i newbie :P
18:43 < searedvandal> tab, the best key around
18:44 < autopsy> Yeah u r.
18:44 < Death916> tab > spaces
18:44 < autopsy> MyTabKey > *
18:44 < Death916> tab is 4 spaces so its 4x as good
18:44 < autopsy> 4 bytes wide.
18:44 < autopsy> Thats fat.
18:44 < Siva_Machina> At least you didn't do a /join fail. balletjebal
18:44 < balletjebal> never mind me few days on linux and irc so hey :P
18:44 < searedvandal> no worries
18:45 < autopsy> balletjebal, IRC is cool. What client are you on?
18:45 < balletjebal> keep in mind i had about 8 heinekens while joining
18:45 < balletjebal> hex chat
18:45 < Death916> that means u have 4 left
18:45 < autopsy> 8 Heinenkens.
18:45 < Death916> in the pack
18:45 < Death916> get on it
18:45 < balletjebal> lol its a crate
18:45 < Holonium> Hello
18:45  * Siva_Machina uses Weechat
18:45 < searedvandal> hi
18:45 < Siva_Machina> hallo Holonium
18:45 < autopsy> I'm using HexChat too.
18:45  * Death916 sues AdiIrc 
18:46 < balletjebal> here in the netherlands we buy them on crates
18:46 < Death916> uses*
18:46 < Death916> smh
18:46 < balletjebal> lovin it
18:46 < Holonium> I was wondering if someone could help me troubleshoot a bash script
18:46 < autopsy> sues AdiIrc lol
18:46 < Death916> oops
18:46 < autopsy> Holonium paste bin it somehwere and tell us the errors.
18:46  * Holonium uses HexChat
18:47 < autopsy> Holonium, I know some bash.
18:47 < slondr> hexchat masterrace
18:47 < phogg> Holonium: shellcheck.net
18:47 < slondr> one of the only programs I leave emacs for
18:47 < autopsy> White Powah!
18:48 < autopsy> shellcheck.net is good. Holonium.
18:48 < Death916> #suddenlyKKK
18:48 < autopsy> slondr, you leave emacs no wai.
18:48 < phogg> Holonium: once shellcheck doesn't report any problems come back here. If you don't understand how to fix what it complains about try also explainshell.com for some specific bits. Ask followup questions here.
18:48 < Holonium> Here is the directory setup for the scripts: https://gitlab.com/Holonium/HoloniumOS/tree/master/src, Here is the pastebin error: https://pastebin.com/tGtDLhWH
18:48 < autopsy> K is for killah.
18:49 < Siva_Machina> slondr: What do you use for a text editor?
18:49 < slondr> Siva_Machina: ...emacs
18:49 < slondr> autopsy: yeah I used to use ERC but I don't like how it doesn't right-align nicks
18:49 < phinxy> kernel/drivers/input/mousedev.ko shouts in dmesg: Unknown symbol __copy_to_user (err 0).  Whats the most likely cause of this?  The version of source not matching the current system?
18:49 < phogg> Holonium: clean.sh expands variables without quotes and uses upper case variable names. Don't do that.
18:50 < Holonium> OK, so what should I fix it with
18:50 < Siva_Machina> slondr: You missed the joke. Emacs is good for nearly everything but a text editor
18:50 < autopsy> phinxy, CONFIG_MODVERSIONS YEP
18:50 < slondr> Siva_Machina: I got the joke. I was too busy being productive to compile it though :^)
18:50 < phogg> Holonium: the way you're trying to use the CFLAGS also won't work as expected. Use make for that, not shell.
18:51 < phinxy> autopsy• :D
18:51 < Holonium> Also the file it says does not exist does exist under libc/arch/i386/make.config
18:51 < Holonium> So I should type make clean.sh?
18:51 < autopsy> phinxy, just compile the module using kernel-headers from your running kernel version.
18:51 < phogg> Holonium: no, that's not how make works.
18:51 < King_DuckZ> searedvandal: I tried, but it still won't boot, yet it was working before I swapped the disk\
18:51 < Holonium> So what do I do?
18:52 < phogg> Holonium: in your config.sh you set PROJECTS="libc kernel" but you intend to use this as "a list of projects", but it's not a list. Shell doesn't work that way.
18:52 < autopsy> phinxy, you compiled it using sources from a different kernel version.
18:52 < searedvandal> King_DuckZ, strange
18:52 < Holonium> I copied that script from a know site.
18:53 < phogg> Holonium: you can use a bash array instead, but you have to stop pretending to be a POSIX sh script (IOW change your bang line)
18:53 < King_DuckZ> the only thing I can think of is that my efi installation is not properly done, so I'm in a chroot now and I'm running grub-install --efi-directory=/boot/EFI, but I get: Installing for x86_64-efi platform. Could not prepare Boot variable: Read-only file system Installation finished. No error reported.
18:53 < autopsy> She bang.
18:53 < Holonium> I am new to scripting.
18:53 < phogg> Holonium: 99% of all shell code you've ever seen was written by the ignorant or the stupid. Doing shell code right is *hard*.
18:53 < autopsy> Holonium first line should be #!/bin/bash
18:53 < slondr> ^
18:53 < King_DuckZ> and I don't understand because nothing is mounted as ro
18:53 < slondr> This is why shell scripts should not be trusted by default
18:54 < slondr> They're probably doing it very wrong
18:54 < phogg> Holonium: for your scenario you do not need shell code at all. You can just write a Makefile. I suggest you do that, it's more well suited to your task.
18:54 < King_DuckZ> in fact inside /boot/EFI I can touch and rm just fine
18:54 < slondr> It's very rare that a shell script is the proper tool for the job
18:54 < slondr> pacaur is one of the few that come to mind
18:54 < Holonium> How do I write that?
18:54 < slondr> (thjat are actually good)
18:54 < Holonium> I am quite new to linux in general
18:54 < autopsy> Shell scripts can automate several tasks into one script command.
18:54 < autopsy> And has functions.
18:55 < phogg> slondr: I would not say rare, I would say that it's often used reflexively when there is a better choice. The fact that people can rarely *tell* when it's a good idea is the problem.
18:55 < slondr> Holonium: google it. if you want extensive documentation, run `info make`, but just google it
18:55 < phogg> Holonium: Make has its own idiosyncratic language. Knowing it is highly useful, though. Hit google and look for a makefile tutorial
18:55 < slondr> ^
18:55 < slondr> Make is one of the best tools in a programmer's arsenal
18:55 < Holonium> OK. Will do.
18:55 < phogg> Holonium: there is a lot to know but you do *NOT* need to know a lot of it to do what you need here
18:56 < autopsy> He needs a right make target in his Makefile.
18:56 < phogg> Holonium: don't be intimidated. Start simple. Making gross mistakes with a Makefile is much harder than with a shell script (broken stuff just wont work at all, whereas in sh it can eat your lunch later)
18:56 < brutser> any good linux alternative for notepad++, notepadqq does not compile with me for debian - i need the macro functionality from notepad++
18:56 < slondr> brutser: emacs
18:56 < slondr> notepad++ is baby's first text editor
18:57 < phogg> do people still use nedit?
18:57 < autopsy> What about ed?
18:57 < brutser> slondr: the macro functions is very nice, i have alot of them saved and need them
18:57 < slondr> brutser: yes. use emacs. it stands for "Editor Macros"
18:57 < slondr> but trust me, NP++ has basically no features when compared to emacs
18:58 < phogg> Emacs is pretty much the king of macros in that the entire editor is just a bunch of marcos on top of a minimal core.
18:58 < phogg> That said there is certainly a learning curve.
18:58 < slondr> I used Notepad++ for quite some time many many many years ago. Emacs makes it look like `type`
18:58 < brutser> i believe you, just when you come from windows and have 100+ macros for np++ you like to keep using them
18:58 < slondr> Take time to do it right now and you won't waste time doing it wrong later.
18:58 < autopsy>  
18:58 < slondr> yeah me too autopsy
18:59 < phogg> if you really want npp-alike you need notepadqq, though. If you can't get it to compile I would just work on solving that problem.
18:59 < autopsy> I know.
18:59 < phinxy> does make headers_install copy the currently running linux headers in to . ?
19:00 < brutser> phogg: error: ‘QPrinter’ was not declared in this scope
19:00 < brutser> that is the error when compiling
19:00 < phogg> phinxy: why would it copy them to .?
19:00 < phogg> brutser: you need to make sure you have the exact lib versions that are expected
19:00 < phinxy> phogg• That would be the current directory
19:01 < phogg> phinxy: I know what . is
19:01 < autopsy> phinxy, use your package manager to get linux-source or kernel-headers
19:01 < brutser> phogg: yea, that much i know, they are installed
19:01 < pankaj_> What is the use of DISPLAY environment variable in linux. I have ssh connection to my other ubuntu guest OS. How to make GUI program run via ssh by the help of this variable and how to set it?
19:02 < autopsy> pankaj_, export DISPLAY=:0.0
19:02 < autopsy> pankaj_, export DISPLAY=:1
19:02 < slondr> pankaj_: the command autopsy gave you probably won't work because you're over ssh
19:02 < pankaj_> autopsy: But what does it mean by setting it like this?
19:02 < autopsy> You have to ssh -Y first.
19:02 < slondr> ssh should set display for you. if it doesn't, you're going to have a nice day
19:02 < pankaj_> slondr: How to make it work?
19:03 < brutser> phogg: i cannot find much of a solution on that error
19:03 < brutser> seems it is not very common, i installed all libs like you said
19:03 < autopsy> QPrinter is undefined it says.
19:03 < phogg> pankaj_: an X application will use the content of DISPLAY to decide which X server to contact. The form is host:display.screen but you can omit the host and get localhost as a default or the .screen and get screen 0 as the default.
19:03 < pankaj_> autopsy: 'ssh -Y'. I read somewhere on ubuntu help page that it is '-X'. But I just want to make it work no matter what it is>
19:03 < phogg> brutser: If you had the libraries installed that it needs then it would work. Do you compile things often?
19:03 < slondr> -X and -Y are similar but not the same
19:04 < scampbell> pankaj:  When you ssh from box a to box b, do you want to bring up the gui on A or on B?
19:04 < slondr> if you're over SSH the first part of your display needs to be the IP address of your local machine OR ssh managed to get it work otherwise
19:04 < slondr> There's no way to know which is correct without testing
19:04 < brutser> autopsy: yes solutions are for source code, but i would assume src for notepadqq is ok
19:04 < brutser> phogg: yes, i followed several examples of people compiling it for debian too
19:04 < pankaj_> scampbell: I know about B via ssh. But yes, I want to make it to A.
19:05 < phinxy> phogg• I had changed directory to a kernel source which supposedely is not the same version as the currently running.
19:05 < slondr> pankaj_: what's the OS of your local and remote machines
19:05 < autopsy> phinxy, yes its not the same kernel version you compiled against.
19:05 < phogg> brutser: The first thing I suggest is that you build a release copy not master. Did you just clone the git repo or did you get the source for a specific release? It may be that master is not in a builable state.
19:05 < scampbell> pankaj:  These the -X option on the ssh command.  You may also need to look at the sshd_config ssh_config files on both machines to ensure it is allowed.
19:05 < pankaj_> slondr: I am using arch as host and ubuntu server as guest.
19:06 < pankaj_> slondr: But on both I have installed awesome window manager.
19:06 < slondr> WM doesn't matter
19:06 < pankaj_> slondr: Just told it.
19:06 < autopsy> phinxy, modules won't load with undefined symbol errors.
19:07 < pankaj_> slondr: So, I have to set up DISPLAY variable on guest for the host machine?
19:07 < slondr> try ssh -X and ssh -Y and if neither works, export your DISPLAY to be [local IP address]:0 or :1
19:07 < phogg> brutser: Confirmed, master doesn't build for me either but tag v1.4.8 works just fine
19:07 < slondr> on the remote machine yes
19:07 < FreeFull> ssh X forwarding is the way to go
19:07 < slondr> you should not (ever) change DISPLAY on the local machine
19:07 < autopsy> ssh X forward is my hero.
19:07 < pankaj_> phogg: Just having some confusion : 'host:display.screen'? OK to host. What value for display and screen?
19:08 < slondr> ssh x forwarding is how I do most of my programming lmao
19:08 < FreeFull> I think there is some command you need to run on the host to allow X forwarding, or you'll get an authentication error
19:08 < slondr> pankaj_: display is whatever ssh makes it, which is usually 0 or 1
19:08 < autopsy> xauth
19:08 < slondr> screen is somewhat arbitrary, sometimes you don't even need it
19:08 < brutser> phogg: ok
19:08 < slondr> oh yeah pankaj_ do you have xauth installed?
19:08 < phogg> pankaj_: "display" is just an index number. The first X you start will be 0, the next 1 (unless you tell X to use a different display number on start, which is rare). Think of it like an X-specific network port.
19:08 < slondr> bc you need that
19:08 < brutser> phogg: where can you download previous release then?
19:08 < scampbell> pankaj:  would you please  ssh -X   to that box and echo $DISPLAY and tell us what it says?
19:08 < brutser> i cannot find it
19:08 < pankaj_> slondr: OK.
19:09 < phogg> pankaj_: ssh forwarded X displays start at 10 and go up from there. This is just a convention.
19:09 < FreeFull> Yeah, it was either something with xauth or xhost
19:09 < phogg> brutser: if you did a git clone you have it
19:09 < phogg> brutser: just checkout the release tag: git checkout tags/v1.4.8
19:09 < autopsy> FreeFull, xauth.
19:09 < brutser> ok
19:09 < phogg> brutser: probably you should do 'make clean' first, though
19:09 < slondr> phogg: not always true, depends on implementation
19:10 < phogg> brutser: after that do ./configure and then, if that reports no errors, make
19:10 < phogg> slondr: that's why I said "this is just a convention"
19:10 < autopsy> Its a convention of sorts only.
19:11 < phogg> most Unix things are just convention
19:11 < phogg> really strong convention, though
19:11 < autopsy> Common Conventions.
19:13 < phinxy> Could the undefined symbols be because Modules.symvers is missing and CONFIG_MODVERSIONS was unset?
19:13 < pankaj_> autopsy: slondr So, I ssh in to the guest (that is ubuntu server) with 'ssh -X IP_ADDRESS'. xauth is installed. and I set the DISPLAY variable as 'DISPLAY=LOCAL_MACHINE_IP:0'.
19:13 < brutser> phogg: i still get that QPrinter error
19:13 < pankaj_> slondr: So, I ssh in to the guest (that is ubuntu server) with 'ssh -X IP_ADDRESS'. xauth is installed. and I set the DISPLAY variable as 'DISPLAY=LOCAL_MACHINE_IP:0'.
19:13 < brutser> how do i get previous version with git?
19:14 < phogg> brutser: the checkout command I gave you before
19:14 < slondr> hold on
19:14 < slondr> did you just install xauth?
19:14 < slondr> or did you lalready have it
19:14 < brutser> please repeat sry
19:14 < brutser> i close window and not have history
19:14 < pankaj_> slondr: No, it was already installed.
19:14 < phogg> brutser: I'm on Debian as well and have just built notepadqq v1.4.8 from a git checkout, so it can work. But seriously you may also like nedit. It's not modern but all the basics are ther.
19:15 < slondr> in that case, yes, follow those steps with different numbers at the end until one works
19:15 < phogg> brutser: git checkout tags/v1.4.8
19:15 < phogg> brutser: if you have tried compiling before you should 'make clean' before trying again
19:15 < searedvandal> or be brave and get the notepadqq snap or deb
19:15 < phogg> searedvandal: the .deb is only available for Ubuntu
19:16 < slondr> phogg: or Arch :^)
19:16 < phogg> slondr: only for Ubuntu meaning "not for Debian" and he is running Debian.
19:16 < brutser> phogg: and after that i do a git clone again?
19:16 < phogg> brutser: no
19:17 < searedvandal> phogg, "Debian - Download a deb package from the Ubuntu PPA" why would the developers say this if it won't work? don't they know better?
19:18 < brutser> phog: ok now it's compiling yes
19:18 < phogg> searedvandal: I cannot account for dumb developer choices.
19:18 < slondr> amen to that
19:18 < brutser> phog: will look at nedit too
19:18 < brutser> lot of qt libs needed for notepadqq, not what i want for a live distro
19:18 < phogg> searedvandal: It *may* work, but it may not. Having a single package work for two totally different dependency chains probably only works if you package it badly, which again might make it not work even if it agrees to install.
19:19 < phogg> brutser: nedit is ancient (meaning from the 90s) but it has a lot of similarity to notepad++ in terms of features. Worth a try, anyway.
19:19 < searedvandal> phogg, I know this. but I also probably put way too much trust on developers and their ability to actually give proper instructions for how to install their software on different distributions.
19:20 < searedvandal> I should probably start having the mindset that developers don't know squat :)
19:20 < slondr> Sometimes developers know much more than you. Sometimes developers know nothing.
19:20 < slondr> Really depends on the software.
19:21 < phogg> searedvandal: This situation is common. People often provide Ubuntu packages and then say "And I didn't try it, but you can probably install that on Debian too!" Well, when they don't try it I don't trust it. If they'd tried it they'd have an officially-supported, dedicated Debian download link.
19:21 < Holonium> I am not understanding makefiles.
19:21 < slondr> lol
19:21 < phogg> Holonium: After 15 minutes of looking? I am not surprised.
19:22 < Holonium> I am barely understanding what CC means.
19:22 < ayecee> carbon copy
19:22 < eviladmin> Holonium: no one understands makefiles
19:22 < slondr> ^incorrect
19:22 < phogg> Holonium: which tutorial did you try?
19:22 < searedvandal> phogg, fair enough
19:22 < slondr> CC means "C Compiler". It's the command that actually runs when you run `cc` in a terminal.
19:22 < eviladmin> they are like shell scripts, no one write sane ones
19:22 < phogg> Holonium: CC is an environment variable that holds the name or path of a C compiler
19:22 < Holonium> mr.book's make tutorial
19:23 < searedvandal> slondr, hopefully most developers know way more than me. I know pretty much next to nothing.
19:23 < jeffree> Today my system will no longer freeze up. The only things I can think of that might contribute to the change are that I left the computer turned off for ~12 hrs, and turned ram xmp off and on a few times with a few reboots each time. One thing that stands out is that my mother board has this quirk I don't understand. Sometimes it gets into a state such that when I reboot, it shuts off for about 3 seconds then turns on, but it's possible to fix
19:23 < jeffree> this by changing bios settings (haven't figured out exactly how to consistently reproduce this 'fix'). Any ideas? It was easy to induce a freeze yesterday.
19:23 < eviladmin> (also many people think that a make file is a shell script for some reason)
19:23 < autopsy> phinxy, you need to use depmod -ae too.
19:23 < jeffree> also, I basically never leave my computer off
19:23 < phogg> Holonium: good, that's the one I would have recommended
19:23 < Holonium> jeffree: That makes sense
19:24 < Holonium> It was the first google result
19:24 < jeffree> Holonium: ?
19:24 < Holonium> The not turning your computer off part
19:24 < phogg> Holonium: after you have the basics try this: https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/make/
19:26 < Holonium> I understand CC and CFLAGS now, I think that I understand LDFLAGS, and I understand echo and cat.
19:26 < phogg> Holonium: most talk of makefiles is centered around C and C++ because of history, but try also http://kbroman.org/minimal_make/ where the lack of C may make what is happening more clear
19:27 < phinxy> autopsy• -a is default. what does -e mean?  It does not work.
19:27 < autopsy> phinxy, -aE
19:28 < Holonium> Should I share what I come up with when I have a makefile?
19:28 < autopsy> phinxy, -aE Module.symvers
19:28 < phogg> Holonium: on the surface a Makefile is a lot like a shell script: a way to run a set of commands in sequence, possibly with some variables. It can get very complex if you're clever about it, though.
19:29 < phogg> Holonium: If you like. It's possible someone may be able to help you.
19:29 < Holonium> OK. I will share it before I run it and possibly break something.
19:29 < autopsy> Holonium but you gotta put in a right Makefile target.
19:30 < Holonium> So tell it which make.config to go to?
19:30 < phinxy> It's getting difficult to follow whats going on.  I managed to compile and load a kernel module a couple weeks ago..  Doesnt that tell us something?
19:30 < autopsy> Holonium, why is it i386 isn't that deprecated?
19:30 < Holonium> Custom OS
19:31 < Holonium> My channel for it is #HoloniumOS
19:31 < autopsy> phinxy, It needs kernel-sources for your currently running kernel version to build and load against only. uname -a
19:31 < A4L> how to connect vga pc to vga monitor using a single wire (and ground fom outlet) doenst mater if its only red color
19:31 < searedvandal> making a custom os as first project? cool
19:32 < autopsy> You need a compiler.
19:32 < autopsy> And a shell.
19:32 < Holonium> I figure that is a good way to experiment with C and ASM.
19:32 < Holonium> I am working on kernel right now.
19:32 < phogg> Holonium: making an OS before you learn make? That's surprising.
19:32  * eviladmin would write the kernel in something else than C
19:33 < phogg> I suppose there's little call for it in a simple kernel
19:33 < Holonium> If anyone wants a link to the OS code it is here: https://gitlab.com/Holonium/HoloniumOS.
19:33 < kurahaupo> eviladmin: Perl?
19:33 < eviladmin> sidenote': meson is somewhat nice
19:33 < eviladmin> kurahaupo: rust
19:33 < Holonium> It is not bootable yet. I was just working on making an ISO for it.
19:33 < eviladmin> kurahaupo: or ada
19:33 < kurahaupo> Haskell
19:33 < eviladmin> kurahaupo: or just python
19:34 < phinxy> should Module.symvers contain anything about the module?
19:34 < searedvandal> Holonium, what's your goal with your OS?
19:35 < Holonium> Just to make it right now, I am using it as a learning opportunity. That and to say that I have...
19:35 < autopsy> phinxy, it should contain nothing abaout your compiled module. Until you run depmod -aE Module.symvers
19:35 < pankaj_> slondr: It always start on the guest OS. How to start on one of the ttys or anywhere on the host?
19:36 < autopsy> phinxy, usually you can just use kernel-source and make modules
19:36 < autopsy> phinxy, then make modules_install
19:36 < eviladmin> dpn'
19:36 < eviladmin> don't need the kernel source, unless whoever wrote the module was insane
19:37 < eviladmin> just need the headers
19:37 < autopsy> Need the kernel-headers though.
19:39 < eviladmin> which are usually easier to get than the distro patched kernel sources
19:39 < eviladmin> also, takes a lot less space
19:40 < autopsy> eviladmin, I told him to get kernel-headers from his distro package manager.
19:40 < phinxy> ah, the module I succeeded to compile before fails today with symbols missing.  the source headers perhaps got updated unwillingly
19:40 < autopsy> phinxy, yes kernel-headers got updated.
19:40 < autopsy> phinxy, boot to a newer running kernel.
19:41  * eviladmin would create a distro package for said module, with sane deps configured
19:41 < autopsy> phinxy, you could boot a newer kernel.
19:41 < eviladmin> also, dkms is quite handy
19:41 < autopsy> kmods is cool.
19:42 < Holonium> Could someone help me look at the source and figure out the proper make order?
19:42 < autopsy> Holonium, usually target all is set in Makefile you can make all
19:42 < eviladmin> Holonium: https://mesonbuild.com/
19:43 < Holonium> I have multiple makefiles and am not sure of the order.
19:44 < autopsy> Holonium, you should have one Makefile in the root dir.
19:44 < Holonium> I do not have one in root, but I have serveral in subdirectories.
19:44 < autopsy> Holonium, give it up. Man were here to help you help yourself.
19:45 < autopsy> Holonium, ok.
19:45 < searedvandal> have you tried following some guide on making an os and the code you shared is the example code? or have you written it yourself?
19:45 < autopsy> Nah he copy pasted it from some websites.
19:45 < searedvandal> right.
19:45 < Holonium> I am trying it off of an example, then editing it when I understand it better.
19:46 < searedvandal> to me that sounds like doing things in reverse
19:46 < autopsy> Your understanding of configure and make is wrong.
19:46 < Holonium> Maybe I should go learn more about C and ASM first, then OS design. Is that a better order?
19:47 < searedvandal> in my opinion, yes.
19:47 < autopsy> Holonium, learn C and make
19:47 < Holonium> OK.
19:47 < Holonium> I will go learn those.
19:47 < autopsy> Make My Day.
19:50 < IPoAC> Hey hey
19:50 < IPoAC> https://paste.linux.community/view/b50f46d0
19:50 < IPoAC> getting pwned by selinux
19:50 < IPoAC> cannot change context to larave.log
19:51 < IPoAC> in order for php fpm to be able to write to it
19:53 < autopsy> IPoAC, not a valid file type hhtp_t
19:53 < autopsy> http_t
19:53 < autopsy> IPoAC, something is wrong.
19:53 < IPoAC> tried `httpd_sys_rw_content_t`
19:53 < IPoAC> actually that was after the
19:53 < IPoAC> i tried `restorecon` ^
19:54 < autopsy> r estorecon -v /var/log/laravel.log
19:54 < IPoAC> tried and got that
19:54 < autopsy> Did it restore it?
19:55 < autopsy> IPoAC, ls -lZ laravel.log
19:56 < IPoAC> moment
19:58 < Tech_8> hi
19:58 < IPoAC> `restorecon reset /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/release/storage/logs/laravel.log context unconfined_u:object_r:httpd_sys_rw_content_t:s0->unconfined_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0`
19:58 < IPoAC> autopsy ^
20:00 < autopsy> IPoAC, check with ls -lZ /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/release/storage/logs/laravel.log
20:00 < IPoAC> `-rwxrwxr-x. nginx nginx unconfined_u:object_r:var_lib_t:s0 storage/logs/laravel.log`
20:02 < autopsy> IPoAC, use restorecon -v /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/release/storage/logs/laravel.log
20:02 < IPoAC> autopsy, that was done, output above above ^
20:04 < autopsy> IPoAC, it should be good to go then.
20:04 < IPoAC> nah, still wont let php-fpm write to it
20:05 < autopsy> IPoAC, because its owned by nginx.nginx
20:05 < autopsy> IPoAC, set it chown to your httpd user.
20:06 < autopsy> Group I mean.
20:06 < autopsy> IPoAC, cat /etc/group | grep http
20:06 < IPoAC> it should be, its fastcgi, anyways, lemme try few things
20:06 < autopsy> IPoAC, might be 99 nobody
20:06 < eviladmin> autopsy: getent group http
20:07  * eviladmin reports autopsy to the peta
20:07 < autopsy> eviladmin, getent thats a new one on me.
20:07 < eviladmin> autopsy: cat | grep can be replaced with grep thefile....
20:07 < eviladmin> +too
20:08 < autopsy> It's apache
20:08 < autopsy> getent group apache
20:08 < autopsy> Hi fagg.
20:09 < IPoAC> cat grep, yas :D
20:09 < autopsy> grep apache /etc/group
20:09 < IPoAC> funny thing happened when product guy tried zcaing and then grepping 200GB log file
20:09 < IPoAC> fun times with RAM
20:09 < IPoAC> zcat-ing*
20:10 < autopsy> 200GB log file my god.
20:10 < autopsy> He needs to truncate it. Maybe.
20:10 < dgurney> how is that even possible
20:10 < autopsy> Don't know.
20:10 < autopsy> Thats like a million and a half users.
20:11 < IPoAC> CDN log file
20:11 < autopsy> What is CDN?
20:11 < phinxy> How come the in-kernel modules compile without symbol errors but then the one marked M fails?
20:11 < V7> CDN could a server/source of some includings
20:12 < V7> For example fonts for web site
20:12 < autopsy> phinxy, I'm telling you you need to make silentoldconfig
20:12 < autopsy> phinxy, what module are you compiling?
20:13 < autopsy> USBDEV?
20:13 < phinxy> driver/input/mousedev.c.
20:13 < autopsy> EVDEV?
20:13 < IPoAC> content delivewry network
20:13 < autopsy> mousedev
20:13 < kamura> is there a leading foss VDI solution right now?
20:14 < phinxy> I wish I could fetch the source for the currently installed linux-image
20:14 < kamura> and if so what is it
20:14 < storge> phinxy: why cannot you?
20:15 < autopsy> phinxy, you can using apt-get
20:16 < phinxy> not apt-source?
20:16 < autopsy> phinxy, linux-headers should be a package.
20:16 < autopsy> phinxy, On Fedora it's kernel-headers
20:17 < autopsy> %{NAME}-%{VERSION}.%{RELEASE}
20:17 < storge> debian has arch on the end
20:17 < sauvin> Yup, and the version of the headers package *must* match the version of the kernel you're using or compiling for.
20:17 < storge> linux-headers-4.16.0-2-amd64
20:17 < storge> (buster)
20:17 < autopsy> Yes RPM has ARCH too.
20:18 < searedvandal> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
20:18 < autopsy> ARCH for architecture
20:18 < autopsy> searedvandal, yes exactly try that phinxy.
20:18 < searedvandal> that should do it
20:19 < autopsy> That WILL do it.
20:19 < searedvandal> I'm not brave enough to be certain
20:19 < searedvandal> :p
20:19 < autopsy> Yeh Meh ok brah.
20:19 < autopsy> I'm not a Debian user.
20:20 < autopsy> I don't know package names or apt-get syntax.
20:21 < searedvandal> I know google
20:21 < autopsy> Yeah syntax for Google is hard lol.
20:22 < autopsy> Infrared Scope -handbag -case
20:22 < searedvandal> lol
20:23 < nicholasBPM> When using a gnome terminal and using ssh to connect to my server i am having issues with copying multiple lines of code, when using my mouse the lines break and i can only copy what i see on my screen, any advice?
20:24 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, it doesn't scroll?
20:25 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, you could redirect the lines to another file in /tmp/file.file and use scp to secure copy it to your ssh host.
20:25 < nicholasBPM> autopsy, not when im in an app like nano
20:25 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, use scp to copy the whole file.
20:25 < Dagmar> You're not goign to be able to cut & paste things that are off the screen with nano
20:25 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, scp file.txt user@hostname:file/path/file.txt
20:26 < nicholasBPM> autopsy, i am developing a python app, but know the project is very large and i have to jump around between a lot of different files
20:26 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, nano is an app now?
20:26 < Voovode> Hi, how can i increase timeout of a starting service? (more than 5 minutes) in init.d ? Got a service that takes more than 5min to load
20:26 < Voovode> thanks
20:27 < sauvin> Everything is an "app" now. Blame Android and the Google Play Store for that.
20:27 < autopsy> Appz.
20:27 < eviladmin> and electron
20:27 < autopsy> It should be Zappd.
20:27 < eviladmin> (blame that on github)
20:27 < nicholasBPM> autopsy, i use tmux and nano.. if i only could bet copy and paste to work it would save me lots of time
20:28 < autopsy> Copy and paste in an app like nano.
20:28 < Dagmar> One that shows right on the screen what keys to push to mark, copy, and paste text, all the time
20:28 < sauvin> nicholasBPM, if you're cutting and pasting between a pile of different files while you're working on a python "app", you need to rethink your approach.
20:29 < autopsy> Keymon
20:29 < nicholasBPM> autopsy, I have tried that but then i need to close the file i am working on.. or jump between then.
20:30 < searedvandal> alt+^ or alt+6 in nano doesn't work either?
20:30 < nicholasBPM> sauvin, any advice what i should do different
20:31 < autopsy> nicholasBPM, I use vi
20:31 < Pentode> Voovode, in /etc/systemd/system/ you have to edit the .service file for that particular service and add or edit the TimeoutSec= option in the [Service] section.
20:31 < nicholasBPM> searedvandal, works but when working with lots of files it becomes very slow way to work
20:31 < Voovode> Pentode, Service is not using systemd, it's using an init.d script - any ideas? thanks btw :)
20:32 < searedvandal> just hit alt+6 as many times as lines you need to copy. eventually you'll get the speed up nicholasBPM ;)
20:32 < nicholasBPM> autopsy, i tried that one before, i will give it a second try, and maybe print a cheat sheet
20:33 < nicholasBPM> searedvandal, thank you for your advice
20:33 < Tech_8> nicholasBPM: your a computer programmer?
20:33 < Pentode> Voovode, look in /etc/init.d/
20:34 < searedvandal> maybe enabling soft line wrapping will help you nicholasBPM if that's not already enabled. alt+$ I think. check nanos help
20:34 < Pentode> it's probably similar. the service file may have a timeout option or something. *shrug*
20:35 < nicholasBPM> Tech_8, i am learning and making some money from the application i have developed.
20:36 < Pentode> Voovode, btw im just curious, what service could possibly take that long to start?
20:37 < nicholasBPM> searedvandal, thanks i will check so it is enabled correctly
20:37 < sponge`> Is 12 seconds of decrypting luks on boot (on an ssd+ryzen 7) a reasonable time or I should change the iter time somehow?
20:38 < Voovode> Pentode, its a rabbitmq server with durable messages
20:38 < Voovode> persistent
20:38 < Pentode> oh
20:38 < Voovode> and its just the default functions in this script in there too :/
20:38 < Voovode> Pentode, but i still get the "Starting rabbitmq-server (via systemctl):..."
20:39 < Voovode> Pentode, and then "Job for rabbitmq-server.service failed because a timeout was exceeded." heh
20:39 < Pentode> Voovode, try service_startup_timeout=seconds
20:40 < Voovode> Pentode, starting... lets see
20:42 < autopsy> Hi eblip
20:43 < Voovode> nah, failed - prolly that variable doesnt exist or sth
20:45 < Pentode> hmm
20:46 < Pentode> it yelled about the variable or it just timed out again?
20:48 < autopsy> Probably just timed out.
20:48 < autopsy> What is a rabbit server?
20:49 < autopsy> sponge`, nah 12 seconds is good.
20:50 < autopsy> What is a rabbitmq server?
20:52 < Pentode> good question
20:52 < Tech_8> hi
20:54 < stmiller> A server that produces small rabbits, a certain breed
20:54 < Pentode> hi
20:54 < stmiller> Needs restarting periodically to continue producing rabbit
20:54 < stmiller> s
20:55 < scampbell> widely used in mmorpg servers huh?
20:55 < phinxy> How do I make a module with current linux-headers?  the -C option?
20:56 < phinxy> Do I modules_prepare inside /lib/modules/4.4.126-../build ?
20:56 < eviladmin> phinxy: idealy you would use whatever build system your distro has
20:56 < eviladmin> phinxy: other than that: kernelnewbies has a good guide
20:57 < pankaj_> How to set DISPLAY variable in linux. What is the use of it. How to use it so that I can ssh and run its application on the current host I am on?
20:57 < phinxy> What could that build system be for example?  A Makefile?
20:57 < eviladmin> is this a module you are writing yourself?
20:58 < eviladmin> phinxy: whatever tool used to create .deb/rpm/whatever
20:58 < phinxy> No its standard or what would you call it, included in torvalds linux
20:58 < eviladmin> why are you building it by hand then
20:58 < eviladmin> what are you actually trying to do
20:58 < phogg> autopsy: rabbitmq is a message queue somewhat like kafka but simpler.
20:58 < pankaj_> autopsy: Hello.
20:59 < phogg> pankaj_: wasn't this covered earlier?
20:59 < phinxy> umm.. I dont have a /dev/input/mice.  I figured its created by mousedev kernel module.  When I look at my linux-image .config it is not set so i wanted to compile it.
20:59 < phogg> pankaj_: DISPLAY is an environment variable. In bash you set it by writing: export DISPLAY= and then the value. Do this before running a command that should use it.
20:59 < sauvin> phinxy, what distro are you using?
21:00 < Pentode> pankaj_, enable X11Forwarding in your ssh config and do: export DISPLAY=:0.0
21:00 < phinxy> sauvin• ubuntu bionic
21:00 < Pentode> the export is run on the remote terminal. then when you ssh in it should work...
21:01 < plexigras> how do i get a windows parent process's window id?
21:01 < pankaj_> phogg: Yes, but it failed.
21:01 < pankaj_> Pentode: OK
21:03 < Pentode> wait, when you do the export i think you have to use your client's hostname.
21:03 < Pentode> let me try this..
21:03 < pankaj_> Pentode: How to do that in '/etc/ssh/ssh_config' file. There is no such variable in that file.
21:03 < autopsy> phinxy, use Fedora.
21:03 < darkmeson> Pentode: you'd not set DISPLAY manually if you were expecting to do X forwarding
21:03 < autopsy> pankaj_, yes there is.
21:03 < pankaj_> Pentode: Is 'DISPLAY=:0.0' correct. What does it actually mean. I read it earlier but did not fully understood.
21:04 < phinxy> I'd pick Slackware if I had a choice.  It sounds fun.
21:04 < Pentode> darkmeson, i see
21:04 < autopsy> First X server first input monitor First screen I mean.
21:04 < pankaj_> autopsy: Sorry, my mistake. Ya
21:04 < Pentode> pankaj_, in my ssh_config i have :ForwardX11 no, just create it and set it to yes.
21:04 < autopsy> phinxy, Slackware is the bomb.
21:04 < darkmeson> pankaj_: don't set that if you want to forward over ssh. You'd just ssh -X or ssh -Y
21:05 < autopsy> darkmeson, He needs to set it to yes.
21:05 < darkmeson> SSH will autoconfigure $DISPLAY if the mapping was successful, and you should get an error if the server won't allow it
21:05 < scampbell> pankaj:  sshd_config on the remote site must also have that option (that's sshd_config not ssh_config)
21:05 < pankaj_> scampbell: Oh
21:06 < darkmeson> Then it's /etc/ssh/sshd_config, not /etc/ssh/ssh_config
21:06 < autopsy> darkmeson, X11 Forwarding is not allowed bhy default.
21:06 < darkmeson> The former is for the server daemon, and the latter for the client
21:06 < autopsy> Yeah sshd_config
21:06 < scampbell> it's ssh_config and the client side, sshd_config on the remote side, they must both allow X11forwarding.
21:06 < pankaj_> scampbell: But that was already set to yes and it was not working then also.
21:07 < scampbell> and, the sshd server must be restarted to see such a change.
21:07 < pankaj_> scampbell: DISPLAY is set to ':0.0' as said.
21:07 < darkmeson> Only to do it by default
21:07 < autopsy> pankaj_, you need to restart sshd
21:07 < darkmeson> It can be enabled on-demand via the -X or -Y argument on the cli for the client side
21:07 < autopsy> pankaj_, reload it I should say.
21:08 < scampbell> darkmeson: not if the it set to no.  The sysadmin can disallow it.
21:08 < pankaj_> darkmeson: What if you or if 'X11Forwarding' is uncommented and set to yes in 'ssh_config' file.
21:08 < darkmeson> You can even confirm the behavior with ssh -vvv -X
21:09 < autopsy> Or ssh -Y
21:09 < darkmeson> pankaj_: That enables the feature by default, which isn't a good idea for security reasons
21:09 < pankaj_> scampbell: No, not working.
21:10 < scampbell> pankaj: the -vvv option suggested by darkmeson will show all the debugging output.   We can certainly figure it out from that.
21:10 < Pentode> thanks guys, sorry for the confusion.
21:10 < pankaj_> darkmeson: After configuring all and restarting even when I do 'startx' it does that in virtual machine host (that is starting the window manager).
21:11 < scampbell> pankaj: are these production systems or something.  We would be able to see user, host and ip addresses in that debug output...
21:11 < pankaj_> scampbell: You need some log file to see?
21:11 < Pentode> pankaj_, I just got this working by using those instructions. set ForwardX11 yes, restart sshd, then on the client execute ssh with the -X opyion
21:12 < Pentode> y/t
21:12 < darkmeson> pankaj_: if you set DISPLAY=:0 or :0.0, then whatever you start over the ssh session will go to the local (to the remote system) X11 session
21:12 < Pentode> ^ yeah _dont_ export the display variable like i said above.
21:12 < darkmeson> If it's set correctly for ssh forwarding, 'echo $DISPLAY' will typically show some value starting with 'localhost:'
21:13 < pankaj_> darkmeson: On the guest OS to the value you specified?
21:14 < darkmeson> OK, lets start from the beginning
21:14 < darkmeson> 'ssh -X user@vm', log in, then 'echo $DISPLAY'
21:15 < darkmeson> It should return something, and will probably contain localhost
21:15 < pankaj_> darkmeson: First command set.
21:15 < pankaj_> darkmeson: OK. THe display on guest OS I set to ':0.0' as said above.
21:15 < pankaj_> darkmeson:
21:15 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Well, at first time it was not set to anything.
21:15 < darkmeson> No, don't do that
21:16 < pankaj_> darkmeson: OK. So,
21:16 < autopsy> pankaj_, pay more attention.
21:16 < darkmeson> That stomps the actual value you needed to get apps to be piped over the ssh session to your local X server
21:16 < pankaj_> autopsy: OK
21:16 < pankaj_> darkmeson:
21:16 < Pentode> it's not his fault, i mistakenly told him to do it in the beginning.
21:17 < absolutejam> evening
21:17 < Tech_8> hi
21:17 < Pentode> afternoon
21:17 < autopsy> Hi absolutejam
21:17 < pankaj_> darkmeson: So, how to set DISPLAY properly. And I also want to know the meaning of this convention 'XXXX:xxx.xxxxx'. What does it mean?
21:17 < absolutejam> anyone free to look over a partition table mock up for my laptop please?
21:17 < Pentode> pankaj_, _dont_ set it. just leave it alone.
21:17 < Pentode> it should work by default
21:17  * scampbell thinks many of us understand the ssh forwarding, but too many answering confuse the living %((( outta folks. :)
21:18 < absolutejam> Just so you can point what what I've messed up before I wipe my current working partition
21:18 < darkmeson> You DO actually need ForwardX11 and possibly Forward11Trusted set to 'yes' in your remote/vm's /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but afaict, you already did that
21:18 < jim> firas, hi, I notice you were having some trouble connecting... looks ok now?
21:18 < darkmeson> So if $DISPLAY isn't populated, type exit and run the ssh command again, then 'echo $DISPLAY'
21:19 < darkmeson> If it STILL isn't populated, then you'd need to exit again and tack on -vvv to get ssh to tell you what's going on during negotiations
21:19 < pankaj_> darkmeson: But what should the value of DISPLAY should be on remote OS? Is it not important?
21:19 < absolutejam> anyway, it's https://gist.github.com/absolutejam/5cbbef05975de588cd8954eea8e52985
21:21 < pankaj_> darkmeson: And their is no variable like 'ForwardX11Trusted'. Is their any need to create it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on remote?
21:21 < darkmeson> pankaj_: as I said, IF the ssh -X negotiates everything properly and the remote server doesn't disallow the forwarding, your $DISPLAY will be populated and with a value like localhost:10
21:21 < autopsy> absolutejam, you've got a TB disk?
21:21 < absolutejam> 512GB
21:21 < darkmeson> (IN that logged-in ssh session)
21:21 < absolutejam> Frantically looking to see where I can't add up...
21:21 < computeiro> Hi, Does anyone know a good tool for regular expressions like RegexBuddy?
21:22 < darkmeson> You can if you want to be absolutely sure it's turned on
21:22 < absolutejam> 1, 1, 100,100,100,200
21:22 < autopsy> absolutejam, oh.
21:22 < autopsy> I see a 500GB a 100 a 100 a 100 and a 200 GB partition.
21:22 < darkmeson> You should probably have a look at 'man sshd_config' to make sure you understand the implications though
21:23 < absolutejam> that 500 is the luks 'volume' that holds the 100,100,100 and 200
21:23 < absolutejam> each of which is an LVM VG
21:23 < absolutejam> I hope that makes sense
21:23 < autopsy> Ok.
21:23 < autopsy> Yeah looks good from here.
21:23 < darkmeson> computeiro: does that help form them or make use of them?
21:23 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Well, Their is a problem with DISPLAY variable.
21:24 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Well, Getting different opinions.What is correct?
21:25 < absolutejam> sweet thanks autopsy
21:25 < autopsy> absolutejam, yeah.
21:25 < darkmeson> pankaj_: ssh -vvv -X user@vm'
21:25 < darkmeson> Ugh.
21:25  * scampbell laughs.
21:25 < pankaj_> darkmeson: WHen I login to my guest OS as I said I have installed a window manager. I have to type manually type startx to get it active (Does not when I start). Should this be any problem?
21:26 < computeiro> darkmeson: I would like to install a Re tool. I work with Java and Python and in Windows I did use RegexBuddy. In Linux I use a web tool
21:26 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Lots of data.
21:26 < autopsy> pankaj_, just use startx
21:26 < darkmeson> pankaj_: 'ssh -vvv -X user@vm 2> /tmp/ssh.log', log in, 'exit', then paste the contents of /tmp/ssh.log somewhere
21:26 < darkmeson> preferrably not pastebin.com
21:27 < autopsy> pastebin.com eww.
21:28 < pankaj_> darkmeson:
21:28 < pankaj_> darkmeson: OK
21:28 < darkmeson> pankaj_: if you're trying to display in the vm console, you do what autopsy said, and then you could use DISPLAY=:0 but you typically wouldn't need it anyway
21:28 < autopsy> Maybe its set to start in runlevel 3.
21:29 < pankaj_> darkmeson: No, I do not want to dispay in vm console. COnsider I have guest OS to far. I want it to have GUI on local machine
21:29 < autopsy> He said he installed a DE. WM.
21:29 < pankaj_> autopsy: I installed a window manager
21:29 < darkmeson> pankaj_: Then having an X session on the vm is irrelevant, including a window manager
21:30 < autopsy> Sounds like fun.
21:30 < Pentode> pankaj_, you do have X running on the client machine while doing all of this, right?
21:30 < darkmeson> If you're forwarding to a local X server, your local window manager handles all of the windowing stuff
21:31 < scampbell> the -vvv output darkmeson asked for will tell us everything.
21:31 < darkmeson> In which case you probably DON'T want anything graphical starting up on the vm console since it'd only waste resources
21:31 < pankaj_> Pentode: Absolutely.
21:31 < pankaj_> scampbell: OK. Just
21:32 < pankaj_> https://ptpb.pw/rVTr
21:33 < autopsy> Pentode right? LOL
21:33 < Pentode> just makin sure :)
21:34 < darkmeson> debug1: X11 forwarding requested but DISPLAY not set": "
21:35 < Pentode> bingo
21:35 < darkmeson> pankaj_: so try prefixing the ssh command with DISPLAY=:0 or run 'export DISPLAY=:0' before running the command
21:35 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Ok. That is what I was also asking how to set the DISPLAY so that it works on my local host (to get the view in gui).
21:35 < darkmeson> you're apparently not running from a local shell that's operating under your X session
21:35 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Just one thing clear.
21:36 < pankaj_> darkmeson: DISPLAY on host or guest. what is important?
21:37 < Pentode> pankaj_, the ssh session must be running within X. you don't need to touch the host DISPLAY. You _should_ not need to touch it on the client side either.
21:37 < sauvin> I've never messed with DISPLAY when using X forwarding, and never had a problem. Something's not right here.
21:38 < pankaj_> Pentode: OK
21:38 < darkmeson> you do NOT want to be setting DISPLAY in the logged-in ssh session, only on the local system you're running ssh from
21:38 < darkmeson> sauvin: firstly, hello again, for the first time :)
21:39 < pankaj_> darkmeson: OK
21:39 < sauvin> darkmeson, funny you should say that in quite that way. I've not heard it in thirty years.
21:39 < scampbell> pankaj: is the xauth package loaded on the remote server?
21:40 < pankaj_> scampbell: Yes, it is installed.
21:40 < darkmeson> sauvin: secondly, I think he was confused about where he was supposed to run the DISPLAY part since he's at a shell not under the local X session and different people were using different adjectives to describe the same things
21:41 < pankaj_> scampbell: But when I type 'startx' as normal user it says: 'X: user not authorized to run  the X server. Aborting'.
21:41 < darkmeson> sauvin: I don't think it's been quite that long yet, but who knows? We're getting old
21:42 < Pentode> pankaj_, X is executed under root.
21:42 < darkmeson> For the sake of consistency, let's say local is the host and remote is the vm
21:43 < sauvin> darkmeson, ain't we, though? :sigh:
21:43 < pankaj_> Pentode: Yes, when I do that firstly it does not respond but when I press 'Ctrl+c' three to four times it runs. But the main problem is that instead of starting on the local machine that I am ssh ing from it starts on virtual machine.
21:43 < darkmeson> You'll want X running locally (on the host), and not on the remote side (vm)
21:43 < scampbell> pankaj: last thought as I don't want to keep muddying the water. but I'd turn up the log level and remote server and see what that yields.
21:43 < pankaj_> Pentode: I had installed awesome window manager on guest OS so it used to get started but now I have removed so doiong 'startx' will also not word either.
21:44 < sauvin> Does X not have to be running on the remote also for X forwarding under ssh to work?
21:44 < darkmeson> Normally you'll want the local/host to run a login manager like lightdm, sddm, or gdm to make things easier
21:44 < scampbell> sauvin: no. it does not.
21:45 < pankaj_> sauvin: But I surely know someone said that X need not to be installed on guest as it takes support from X server installed on local machine.
21:45 < scampbell> I guarentee you only need xauth and whatever libs your apps need.
21:45 < pankaj_> darkmeson: So, they are required? Because I have not installed them.
21:46 < darkmeson> pankaj_: that was me, and it does
21:46 < scampbell> I wonder, this being a VM is the ssh host keys are funky.  I wonder about IPv6 here too.
21:46 < pankaj_> darkmeson: So,...........
21:47 < pankaj_> scampbell: Installed lxdm login manager on guest OS.
21:47 < darkmeson> pankaj_: excuse me, I wrote that confusingly
21:47 < darkmeson> what scampbell said, basically
21:47 < pankaj_> darkmeson: 'confusingly'. It also made me confuse.
21:48 < darkmeson> Full X11 stack on the local side/host, only what gets pulled in as dependencies for your graphical apps in the vm
21:48 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Just 1 minute. What made you guys confused. Who will remove confusion from myself first?
21:49 < searedvandal> that last sentence from darkmeson should clear up all confusion
21:49 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Just one question to ask. OK, so is X needed to run on both client and guest for making this (GUI on local like that) possible?
21:50 < darkmeson> no
21:50 < sacules> any experts on ncmpcpp? i'm trying to make my library display by album artist, but those that don't have the tag, only artist, are put separate instead of using artist as fallback
21:50 < balletjebal> is it safe to update my distro ever so often? or do i risk breaking it ?
21:50 < pankaj_> darkmeson: I pray to you teacher just make the path easy by making understand this. Please.
21:50 < darkmeson> Only the system that's attached to the display that you want to use has to have a full stack
21:51 < darkmeson> X has a concept of network-transparent operations and ssh is being used in this case to provide security, so the only thing the apps need are a few libs that know how to "speak" to the actual server attached to the display
21:51 < autopsy> balletjebal, you always can update your packages.
21:52 < autopsy> balletjebal, Anaconda is good at system upgrades.
21:52 < pankaj_> darkmeson: That is the system I am sshing from. Right?
21:52 < Pentode> never knew that. i thought you had to have it running on the client as well for forwarding to work.. you learn something every day.
21:52 < balletjebal> autopsy, k thx i used the apt update and upgrade some time ago and system failed on me thats why i ask
21:53 < autopsy> balletjebal, oh no doubt? Maybe you need to fix the failure.
21:53 < darkmeson> pankaj_: presumably, yes
21:53 < balletjebal> autopsy, how i get anaconda i just use the default update in term
21:54 < pankaj_> Pentode: Just make me clear what it means when you use word in between 'client' or 'host'. For me 'local' and 'guest' makes much more sense. I get confused when you use 'client' so please explain that.
21:54 < autopsy> balletjebal, no Ubuntu doesn't have Anaconda.
21:54 < balletjebal> autopsy, i reinstalled cause it got lost in the process :P
21:54 < darkmeson> pankaj_: if you'd like additional information, you'll probably find quite a bit of it quite easily by doing a web search for xdmcp
21:54 < autopsy> balletjebal, ok good.
21:54 < pankaj_> darkmeson: On guest. Nohing but just shell is and all is well. Right?
21:54 < Pentode> pankaj_, client being the one connecting to the server. the server is _hosting_ a service for clients to connect to.
21:54 < balletjebal> autopsy, got parrot on my laptop installed just now.
21:55 < autopsy> balletjebal, I don't know how to update parrot.
21:55 < balletjebal> autopsy, k thx anywayz
21:55 < autopsy> balletjebal, no problem.
21:55 < pankaj_> Pentode: But in this case as darkmeson said that I need to have all that X stack to be on my local machine. So, in that machine the 'server' that you are using is the system I am sshing from.
21:55 < darkmeson> pankaj_: the shell and any GUI apps you intend to run from there
21:56 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Now, It got more clear.
21:56 < Pentode> maybe i misunderstood
21:56 < pankaj_> darkmeson: I just had lxdm login manager and awesome window manager on my local machine that I use to ssh to ubuntu server (my guest OS on which I just removed window manager).
21:57 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Are those not enough?
21:57 < searedvandal> balletjebal, parrot is based on debian? so upgrading packages should be apt-get upgrade
21:58 < darkmeson> pankaj_: the (SSH) server would be the vm, and the (X) server would be the host/local system
21:58 < kazdax> finally using mkfr.ext3 produces the right format for usb
21:58 < balletjebal> searedvandal, correct doing it as we speak :P
21:58 < pankaj_> darkmeson: And just one little question. I just wonder whey 'lxdm' is so big (about 80 to 100 mb) when all I see that it only helps to login to system. Why it is so big. On other hand awesome window manager is so small. And it is fine.
21:58 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Right.
21:58 < darkmeson> there are two actual "servers" involved in the process, one on each side
21:59 < searedvandal> balletjebal, the debian wiki and the parrot docs will probably help you figure out the basics
21:59 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Now, two servers?
21:59 < darkmeson> and yes, that's probably enough if it works for you
22:00 < pankaj_> darkmeson: One on local machine (that full stack I know I studied same days ago (not fully)) you talked about and other?
22:00 < darkmeson> Ideally you'd want to run the ssh command from within the started X session so you have to do no messing with DISPLAY whatsoever
22:00 < balletjebal> searedvandal, yeah ill dig in to them later on thx
22:00 < pankaj_> darkmeson: I used tty when I used ssh to connect to guest OS.
22:01 < darkmeson> pankaj_: the ssh server on the vm that you're using ssh to log into
22:01 < kazdax> can i use hex chat on rhel
22:01 < kazdax> and what command do i use
22:01 < kazdax> yum install hexchat ?
22:01 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Ya.
22:02 < pankaj_> darkmeson: But that is the problem. I agree and had the same that you said but still it do no works.
22:02 < darkmeson> kazdax: presumably. you might have to enable some of the additional repos first though
22:03 < darkmeson> maybe even install rpmfusion
22:03 < darkmeson> someone in the centos channel would probably know off the top of their head
22:04 < darkmeson> pankaj_: you have X started and a terminal running it it? If not, do that first
22:04 < darkmeson> s/it it/in it/
22:05 < autopsy> kazdax, yum install hexchat
22:05 < cristian_c> hi
22:05 < Pentode> hi
22:05 < kazdax> thanks mate
22:05 < autopsy> kazdax, or dnf install hexchat
22:05 < kazdax> i am actually going to be using the rhel for a while now..using to study for my rhcsa
22:05 < pankaj_> darkmeson: Just want some confirmation. Is window manager and login manager (awesome and lxdm) enough for that. I think I need to install xorg also if it is not installed.
22:05 < kazdax> so i wanted to just logged into freenode while i do it
22:05 < kazdax> and if any questions pop
22:05 < cristian_c> I've built ans installed easycap smi driver (kernel module)
22:05 < Enumeration> i am so confused withhhhh
22:06 < Enumeration> i am so confused withhhhh
22:06 < autopsy> kazdax, sure.
22:06 < autopsy> kazdax, there's also irssi and BitchX
22:06 < pankaj_> darkmeson: When I do 'sudo startx' it says '/usr/bin/xauth: timeout in logging authority file /home/pankaj/Xauth'.
22:06 < autopsy> Enumeration, with what now?
22:06 < Pentode> Enumeration, take a deep breath.
22:06 < Enumeration> still with the dnsmasq
22:07 < autopsy> Hi firas.
22:07 < cristian_c> I've got driver sources from github repository (via AUR on archlinux, and viamg8tmin ubuntu)
22:07 < Pentode> pankaj_, x's init runs the server as root. _you_ execute the startx command as user.
22:07 < darkmeson> pankaj_: try 'service lxdm start' or 'init 5' instead
22:07 < Enumeration> should my pixelserver ip match the ip in the dnsmasq option for addn-conf
22:07 < Enumeration> or should it match the server=
22:07 < autopsy> Enumeration, what is a pixelserver?
22:08 < cristian_c> I've,alao loaded firmware too (in addition to driver loading)
22:08 < Enumeration> pixel-serv
22:08 < pankaj_> Pentode: Yes, I ran it as root but it still complains about auth file as something as I said above.
22:08 < scampbell> pankaj: was that timeout in LOCKING authority file?
22:08 < Enumeration> o wise autopsy
22:08 < Enumeration> please help thy
22:08 < pankaj_> scampbell: Yes, Sure
22:08 < autopsy> cristian_c, what is your question?
22:08 < Enumeration> im trying to figure out how to https://github.com/kvic-z/pixelserv-tls
22:08 < Enumeration> and then https://github.com/notracking/hosts-blocklists
22:08 < pankaj_> scampbell: And then some times after remaining busy it fails and then drops back to shell.
22:09 < cristian_c> so, I've started vlc and I've connected easycap dongle to inputmsource and to usbnport
22:09 < Pentode> look at what darkmeson said. try using service to start it, or init 5 to execute the runlevel x is in.
22:09 < cristian_c> my question is: if I lookmat dmesg output I see a large amount of messages
22:09 < darkmeson> Pentode: ironically, it's easier to just have them start a login manager and log in that way today since that's the only usage scenario that gets much testing anymore
22:09 < scampbell> pankaj: gotcha, I'm looking through some stuff now but that's probably the .xauthority file...
22:10 < autopsy> cristian_c, yeah you can also use grep
22:10 < pankaj_> darkmeson: OK. I think I have to restart and try again differently. May be it works.
22:10 < Pentode> darkmeson, yeah.
22:10 < autopsy> cristian_c, search for a string and print it using grep
22:10 < pankaj_> scampbell: Just wait. At the end of startx command it starts saying 'No protocol specified' and loops through it forever.
22:10 < scampbell> pankaj: on the remote system  ls -l .Xauth*     I think you'll find several.  One is the auth the others are locks.
22:10 < autopsy> cristian_c, dmesg is handy.
22:10 < IPoAC> chcon -u system_u -r system_r clockworkchcon: failed to change context of ‘clockwork’ to ‘system_u:system_r:httpd_sys_content_t:s0’: Invalid argument
22:11 < IPoAC> sorry
22:11 < cristian_c> all of these messages show: smi2021 Skip broken frame ... line, but need 240 in current 480 height
22:11 < IPoAC> chcon -u system_u -r system_r clockwork
22:11 < IPoAC> chcon -u system_u -r system_r clockwork
22:11 < IPoAC> chcon: failed to change context of ‘clockwork’ to ‘system_u:system_r:httpd_sys_content_t:s0’: Invalid argument
22:11 < pankaj_> scampbell: Just a sec
22:11 < IPoAC> why is so?
22:11 < scampbell> pankaj: the .Xauthority-* files are the locks, the .Xauthoriy is the real file.
22:11 < scampbell> er, .Xauthority.
22:11 < darkmeson> pankaj_: if it's systemd-based, you can do 'systemctl enable graphical.target' to get dumped to the graphical login manager by default at reboot
22:11 < Enumeration> why am i retarded sigh
22:12 < cristian_c> line changes continuosly, but the message is always the same, autopsy
22:12 < cristian_c> vlc screen is always blank, btw
22:12 < pankaj_> darkmeson: yes, there are three files. All have owner read and write permissions.
22:12 < autopsy> cristian_c, oh I see it needs a different sized window.
22:13 < cristian_c> autopsy: ah, so, is it a vlc issue?
22:13 < scampbell> pankaj:  the .Xauthority file stays.  The .Xauthority-* need to be removed.
22:13 < pankaj_> darkmeson: .Xauthority has root:root and the two others have pankaj:pankajgroup.
22:13 < autopsy> cristian_c, seems to be.
22:13 < pankaj_> scampbell: OK. So, I am going to remove them?
22:13 < pankaj_> scampbell: Want a confirmation.
22:14 < scampbell> pankaj: yes, those are lock files.
22:14 < pankaj_> scampbell: OK. Removed now?
22:14 < IPoAC> ok better question, how to change context of the process like php-fpm? its system_u:system_r:httpd_t:s0 for now I want it to be system_u:object_r:httpd_t:s0
22:14 < cristian_c> source inputmis from a vhs recorder, recording is from an old tv (4:3)
22:14 < scampbell> pankaj: after that your startx locally should not timeout on auth anymore.
22:14 < RyansWorld> crontab -e question: for file paths you must use the path from root directory correct?
22:14 < pankaj_> scampbell: May be it loops again as I said.
22:15 < cristian_c> autopsy: I tr9edmto change video settings in vlc but without resukts
22:15 < scampbell> pankaj: darn, still be aware of those lock files being left over from the attempts.
22:15 < cristian_c> I cpuld trynto repeat changes in order to be sure
22:15 < autopsy> cristian_c, seems odd.
22:16 < cristian_c> autopsy: btw, where could I do the needed change in vlc?
22:16 < pankaj_> scampbell: Just I login via ssh and I got in the start (where ubuntu logs stats of system when somebody login). In this case it says: '/usr/bin/xauth: /home/pankaj/.Xauthority not writable, changes will be ignored'. Is it important ?
22:17 < LtL> RyansWorld: it doesnt matter what directory you're in, it's what user you are. paths in crontabs need to be absolute - fyi
22:17 < Dan39> RyansWorld: the path for the program to execute? i always have, but it might search a default PATH, try it and see
22:17 < RyansWorld> user is root
22:17 < RyansWorld> so does this path look ok
22:18 < LtL> RyansWorld:  you're pwd shouldn't matter
22:18 < RyansWorld>   /home/bitnami/.nvm/versions/node/v10.4.0/bin/node /v1/newsFeed.js
22:18 < RyansWorld> the space between node and the /v1 is the file i want to run
22:18 < RyansWorld> i want to run
22:18 < RyansWorld> node newsFeed.js
22:19 < scampbell> pankaj: I just replicated your ssh issue by unset DISPLAY before I sshed.  Before you ssh what does echo $DISPLAY show?
22:19 < RyansWorld> oh wait i added a .
22:19 < RyansWorld>   /home/bitnami/.nvm/versions/node/v10.4.0/bin/node ./v1/newsFeed.js
22:19 < Dan39> where is v1?
22:19 < Dan39> in /home/bitname/ ?
22:19 < darkmeson> pankaj_: yes, 'sudo chown <youruser> <that file>'
22:19 < RyansWorld> hmmmmm
22:20 < RyansWorld> let me check
22:20 < RyansWorld> i think so
22:20 < scampbell> oh yeah, right darkmeson.
22:20 < darkmeson> or just remove it if X isn't running yet
22:20 < pankaj_> scampbell: Before that their was no such variable like DISPLAY.
22:20 < pankaj_> darkmeson: I am restarting and see if by some hocus pocus fix that out.
22:20 < scampbell> pankaj:ah that's a problem.   You are in an X window on that local system and have no DISPLAY variable?
22:20 < pankaj_> scampbell: Just restarting.
22:20 < RyansWorld> ya it goes root --> v1
22:21 < Dan39> o_O
22:21 < RyansWorld> i think the ./v1 works
22:21 < darkmeson> DISPLAY normally won't be set until X is running, and even then it only autopopulates for things running under that X environment
22:21 < pankaj_> scampbell: Sometimes somebody say that DISPLAY is not important and now it is important. What is going on?
22:21 < scampbell> darkmeson: right, he doesn't have any DISPLAY on the local machine.   So how is the X terminal he is in even running.   Missing something there.
22:22 < darkmeson> DISPLAY tells your local apps where to contact the display server, so of course it's important
22:22 < scampbell> pankaj: on your local machine if you type xclock what happens?
22:22 < darkmeson> you shouldn't have to set it manually or know anything about it for most uses though
22:22 < searedvandal> is he even ssh'ing out of a Xsession, or just tty?
22:22 < scampbell> yep, thinking this isn't ssh at issue :)
22:23 < scampbell> same sorta thought here searedvandal
22:23 < darkmeson> (or something is seriously broken)
22:23 < Dan39> what is he trying to do?
22:23 < scampbell> I wonder if he unset a long time ago and has been in the session since.
22:23 < scampbell> we fixed all the config stuff but still had that in the way.
22:23 < darkmeson> Maybe missing dependencies
22:24 < darkmeson> That could be checked by installing a full lightweight DE like xfce or lxde
22:24 < scampbell> That "display not set" error was one I'd never seen.  That's why I went about replicating it.
22:24 < darkmeson> Those pull in just about everything that could conceivably be required
22:25 < searedvandal> pankaj, you are running a wm or de on the system you're ssh'ing out of, right?
22:25 < scampbell> and just to say it, before you came in Dark, he really had like 5 of us answering all at once.
22:25 < scampbell> I think he'
22:25 < scampbell> is rebooting.
22:25  * scampbell thinks his ' key is too close to the enter key.
22:26  * sauvin agrees'
22:26 < searedvandal> just noticed that my nick completion suddenly worked again, so assumed he was back
22:27 < scampbell> I'm not gonna be surprised if everything works after the reboot.  But I'll still believe that unset DISPLAY was issued in the session :)
22:27 < pankaj> scampbell: Not he. Because I am listening to the channel now.
22:27 < scampbell> and... does it work?
22:27 < pankaj> searedvandal: So, I am using a window manager + a login manager (awesome + lxdm).
22:28 < searedvandal> alright
22:28 < scampbell> pankaj: that's not a dig at ya at all.  You missed the part where I said like 5 guys where answering you at once.
22:28 < darkmeson> It could also exist in a startup script like ~/.bashrc
22:28 < pankaj> searedvandal: Therefore I previously asked that if xorg package was necessary (Does it comes with lxdm or not I do not know yet. Please tell me)
22:29 < pankaj> scampbell: OK.
22:29 < scampbell> pankaj: it should come with lxdm.  ps -ef | grep xorg if you wanna see it's running.
22:29 < darkmeson> probably not likely in this case though
22:29 < pankaj> scampbell: Yes, It is there
22:30 < scampbell> pankaj: if you type xclock on your local machine what happens?
22:30 < darkmeson> making sense of IRC definitely takes time and practice
22:30 < pankaj> scampbell: Does not recognise that command.
22:30 < darkmeson> It's a worthwhile skill that can be applied to many other things, however
22:31 < scampbell> pankaj: run  any gui command from your command line,  I suspect nothing will work but we want to verify.
22:31 < pankaj> darkmeson: I think (before going to reboot) you said that to set DISPLAY variable when I am not running X.
22:32 < pankaj> darkmeson: Or it was darkmeson?
22:32 < scampbell> pankaj: the DISPLAY variable should be automatically set on your local machine.
22:33 < scampbell> pankaj: since it does not appear to be I would like to try to run any Xwindow app from the command line, I think it will fail.  in which case ssh is not the problem.
22:33 < pankaj> scampbell: Is it important to set because half a time somebody says that it is not and other half says yes on the local but what to set it to I do not get that answer.
22:33 < scampbell> pankaj: no, you should not touch it.  The OS will do that for you.
22:33 < pankaj> scampbell: Yes, cannot connect to display. Ofcourse
22:34 < scampbell> pankaj: if it is not set then the X windows on your local system is broken and that is where our issue lie.
22:34 < scampbell> pankaj: okay, so all this ssh has nothing to with it.
22:34 < pankaj> scampbell: Yes, the variable does not exist.
22:34 < scampbell> pankaj: so you are currently in an X window terminal on your local system?
22:34 < scampbell> not a tty
22:35 < pankaj> scampbell: So,...........No, I have not started 'lxdm' service yet. I am now on TTY.
22:35 < Dan39> do you have a mouse? lol
22:35 < scampbell> pankaj: so there is no display so you cannot x forward.
22:35 < scampbell> pankaj: you must be in Xwindows to forward from a remote.
22:35 < Dan39> hahaha guy isnt even in X and is trying to run GUI -_-
22:36 < pankaj> scampbell: OK. Starting it now.
22:36 < scampbell> don't be mean.  everyone learns.
22:36 < Dan39> <_<
22:36 < scampbell> look at the bright side, we're pretty sure the ssh chain is all set up :)
22:36 < searedvandal> yeah
22:36 < pankaj> Dan39: Ha Ha.
22:37 < searedvandal> get X started and it should be rock'n'roll
22:37 < autopsy> Dan39 we all learn sometimes.
22:37 < scampbell> pankaj: okay inside a terminal in X windows, echo $DISPLAY
22:38 < autopsy> Dan39 what are you up to?
22:38 < Dan39> ummm
22:38 < Dan39> playing a video game <_<
22:38 < autopsy> Ok.
22:38 < Dan39> why?
22:38 < autopsy> Just wondering?
22:38 < pankaj> scampbell: I get ':0'
22:39 < scampbell> pankaj: from that same terminal  ssh -X user@remote   (obviously with user and remote replaced)
22:39 < pankaj> scampbell: I thougth because prior to that I had set it in .bashrc or .bash_profile but it was not there and was not empty now.
22:40 < pankaj> scampbell: Just starting virtualbox
22:40 < scampbell> pankaj: okay, we're gonna ssh -X user@remote   then  echo $DISPLAY to ensure it has been configured in the ssh session.
22:41 < scampbell> negotiated would be a far better word then configured in my prev sentence.
22:43 < pankaj> scampbell: After I login and do 'sudo startx', after some initializations it says 'xinit: connection to X server lost'.
22:44 < scampbell> pankaj: why are you doing that?
22:44 < pankaj> scampbell: 'Waiting for X serer to shutdown  (EE) serer terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.
22:44 < scampbell> pankaj: you want to run some gui program on that system but see it on your local system right?
22:44 < pankaj> scampbell: Yes
22:44 < eviladmin> don't sudo startx, that can break it for your user
22:44 < scampbell> pankaj: there is no startx in this.
22:45 < pankaj> scampbell: VEry sorry,
22:45 < scampbell> pankaj: just to eliminate confusion, restart that vm and we'll do it again. No problem.
22:45 < eviladmin> often causes important files in your $HOME to suddently be owned by root:root
22:45 < scampbell> pankaj: I wanna be sure we totally clean.
22:45 < scampbell> yep, he already had that once.
22:45 < pankaj> scampbell: I do not think that I use this virtual machine so often so can you please name any GUI program so for a test.
22:46  * Dan39 is wondering what the ultimate goal of all this is
22:46 < scampbell> pankaj: I have no idea what you have loaded.  What is it we are trying to accomplish exactly, I must be confused.
22:47 < darkmeson> scampbell: please don't call it X windows
22:47  * scampbell ducks.
22:47 < scampbell> ]
22:47 < eviladmin> x11 window system
22:47 < scampbell> What can I say. I'm old.
22:47 < darkmeson> It's the X Window System, and it predates that other piece of garbage
22:48 < eviladmin> it is a piece of garbage itself though
22:48 < Pentode> it's just dated and archaic.
22:48 < searedvandal> pankaj, what distro is the vm running?
22:48 < Pentode> jumbled patched up ball of windowing system
22:48 < darkmeson> Not really
22:49 < scampbell> pankaj: I suspect we'll need to deal with the .Xauthority files on that virtual again.  As eviladmin pointed out we probably just created a root owned set.
22:49 < Pentode> but it's still my friend
22:49 < eviladmin> find $HOME -! -user .....
22:50 < searedvandal> should find that out pretty quickly when trying to fire up the gui application he wants to run
22:50 < Dan39> he gone guys
22:50 < darkmeson> The design was fairly well-thought-out, it just has a few security issues that weren't an issue way back when, and they've held onto backward compatibility for things that haven't existed in decades
22:51 < pankaj> slackmagic: Sorry, The battery have some issues.
22:51 < pankaj> slackmagic: It just got turned off without notice.
22:51 < scampbell> We were trusting back then.  Just look at smtp to see how security unconcious we were.
22:51 < eviladmin> darkmeson: "a few"
22:51 < Pentode> darkmeson, yeah this is true.
22:51 < darkmeson> People today suffer from NIH and think they need to reinvent wheels to make a name themselves is all
22:51 < eviladmin> darkmeson: like literally >2000 use after free/buffer overflows/etc
22:51 < eviladmin> :p
22:52 < eviladmin> darkmeson: not to mention that today we have to bypass as much as possible of it to get decent performance and round corners
22:52 < darkmeson> yeah, and legacy mail is STILL biting us too
22:52 < darkmeson> But it "just works", so people keep using it
22:52 < scampbell> all the viagra you want.
22:52 < eviladmin> x11 is basically just an ipc these days
22:54 < eviladmin> just a simple update requires something like 8 roundtrips
22:54 < scampbell> pankaj:  you might have been out when it was mentioned that the startx created those .Xauthority files owned by root again.
22:54 < darkmeson> I'd have felt better about Wayland if they'd at least tackled network streaming while they were at it
22:55 < Dan39> darkmeson: i thought they did?
22:55 < eviladmin> darkmeson: there is plans to basically intigrate vnc into it
22:55 < darkmeson> As-is, it'll probably have to be replaced with something else within ten years, or end up just as flawed as X11 as solutions are shoehorned in as afterthoughts
22:55 < darkmeson> Dan39: not in the core design. there's even a faq entry stating as much
22:56 < eviladmin> not that x11 is really network transparent these days either
22:57 < darkmeson> eviladmin: same thing. if it wasn't factored into the core design from the beginning, the results WILL be highly suboptimal
22:57 < matsaman> darkmeson: you don't feel good about wayland?
22:57 < darkmeson> afair, the advised Wayland workaround was to run Xorg on top and use that
22:57 < Pentode> matsaman, it's taking _so_ long..
22:58 < Dan39> darkmeson: seriously? -_-
22:58 < matsaman> it's simpler to think of wayland as a revised X than some usurper, because it was actually born of X devs tired of addressing the same X bugs
22:58 < darkmeson> Which begs the question, how could that be any better? And why not DirectFB instead?
22:58 < matsaman> but you also have no particular reason to run wayland yet
22:58 < matsaman> when it's ready, X will be swiftly deprecated in distros, believe me they don't want to maintain stuff that is irrelevant
22:59 < eviladmin> x11 will stick around for a long time
22:59 < pankaj> scampbell: Ok. I think that I am on the way. As just I connected to ssh and did 'echo $DISPLAY' it said 'localhost:10.0' just like it something. Atleast it display something without not setting it.
22:59 < Pentode> i don't think X is just going to drop off.
22:59 < darkmeson> matsaman: that actually leads into a bigger rant
22:59 < eviladmin> too much legacy and not so legacy software that doesn't support wayland
22:59 < Pentode> but i agree people are going to resist when wayland is ready. maintaining x and its packages must be a chore.
22:59 < scampbell> pankaj: great. If you just want something to test with you can load the x11-apps package and use xclock to test with (my usual simple x test)
23:00 < toothe> wow, Raspberry Pi's Stretch image is huge.
23:00 < scampbell> pankaj: but yes, I believe you have the proper connection now.
23:00 < darkmeson> Everything in Linux these days is perpetually alpha or otherwise half-finished, including the flagship filesystem btrfs that STILL manages to self-corrupt and lose data far too much of the time
23:00 < Pentode> pankaj, pop the champagne
23:01 < searedvandal> now it's time to run a program and watch the glorious thing work
23:01 < scampbell> as an old timer, I have to say that documentation is really terrible compared to "the good old days".  I see one more POS doc that just contains a couple of examples and......
23:01 < pankaj> Pentode: Ha Haaa. I know it took so long (becuse of me)
23:01 < TyrfingMjolnir> Are there any linux CLI implementations for XSLT 3.0?
23:02 < Dan39> TyrfingMjolnir: like.. xstarlet?
23:02 < TyrfingMjolnir> or xsltproc
23:02 < darkmeson> TyrfingMjolnir: how about you give your use case instead? That'd probably generate more helpful answers
23:02 < Dan39> err xmlstarlet i was thinking of
23:02 < pankaj> scampbell: But I do not understand 'something to test with'. I think you said to just open the GUI app from ssh so I am installing something. Why and what about testing like just install any package that use GUI and that is it if that works. Why testing and that 'x11-apps' package.
23:02 < TyrfingMjolnir> xmlstarlet does XSLT 3.0?
23:03 < Dan39> TyrfingMjolnir: i dont know
23:03 < scampbell> pankaj: yep, any gui app.  You don't need x11-apps, that was just an example to get xclock if you had nothing else in mind.
23:03 < Pentode> pankaj, just find something that you have installed on the server and not the client and run it in the ssh session.. or grab an x package and install it on the xserver.
23:04 < darkmeson> TyrfingMjolnir: according to the repos, there's one called Saxon that might
23:04 < Dan39> ah, yea Saxon is popular
23:04 < TyrfingMjolnir> darkmeson: I would like to be able to type cat /tmp/file.xml | xslt3 stylesheet.xslt
23:05 < TyrfingMjolnir> saxon-c
23:05 < pankaj> scampbell: OK. Just some lines. I know that you know the solution to this 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication'
23:05 < TyrfingMjolnir> I read
23:05 < TyrfingMjolnir> Not sure which CLI tool saxon-c has
23:05 < pankaj> scampbell: Error: Unable to initialize GTK, is DISPLAY set properly?'
23:05 < scampbell> pankaj: yes, the .Xauthority files that are owned by root because of the startx again on the remote.
23:05 < Dan39> pankaj: are you trying to sudo something?
23:05 < TyrfingMjolnir> Here it says Wrap Up: https://www.xml.com/articles/2017/02/14/why-you-should-be-using-xslt-30/ yet not link
23:06 < scampbell> Dan39: no, he ran startx as root by mistake.
23:06 < Dan39> if you are ssh -X, then sudo some-gui-app won't work
23:06 < pankaj> Dan39: I tried and not also but same error.
23:06 < Dan39> stop trying to sudo everything
23:06 < pankaj> Dan39: OK. Nice information.
23:06 < TyrfingMjolnir> Some license stuff here: http://www.saxonica.com/download/c.xml
23:07 < TyrfingMjolnir> It's not a matter of apt-get install by the looks of it
23:07 < Dan39> xslt 3.0 is pretty new iirc and doesn't have much support yet
23:07 < pankaj> scampbell: OK. I removed those two files. Now restating. May work
23:08 < scampbell> pankaj: k, let us know.
23:08 < darkmeson> There's libsaxonb-java, but it's only for 2.0
23:08 < scampbell> and no startx! :)
23:08 < searedvandal> fingers crossed
23:08 < searedvandal> and no sudo
23:08 < TyrfingMjolnir> Dan39: Dec 2017
23:08 < Dan39> yea that's super new
23:08 < scampbell> do not pass go
23:08 < TyrfingMjolnir> So better write my own implementation in python or swift?
23:08 < autopsy> Stay behind the dotted line.
23:08 < pankaj> scampbell: Same error.
23:09 < scampbell> unless it's a programming language, then feel free.
23:09 < scampbell> pankaj: so, you are on an xwindow, you ssh over to the other machine, then what did you do?
23:09 < Dan39> TyrfingMjolnir: well Saxon does have xslt 3.0... so I'd start there
23:10 < pankaj> scampbell: These two files (that you said to delete) .Xauthority-c and .Xauthority-l again get created.
23:10 < searedvandal> pankaj, what command did you run?
23:10 < searedvandal> and what errors does it give now?
23:11 < TyrfingMjolnir> pacman -Ss saxon: http://termbin.com/qu68
23:11 < Dan39> well, darn
23:11 < pankaj> searedvandal: I installed filezilla on it (because I had a file server as it previously)
23:11 < Dan39> TyrfingMjolnir: on to the AUR next then :P
23:11 < Dan39> but it is java i think, so maybe just grab the jar?
23:11 < searedvandal> pankaj, how did you start it? just 'filezilla' ? and what are the errors now?
23:12 < pankaj> searedvandal: The same error: 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.\nError. Can't open display: localhost:10.0'
23:12 < Dan39> Also available is Saxon-JS, the XSLT 3.0 run-time in JavaScript
23:12 < Dan39> neat
23:13 < pankaj> searedvandal: Ya. this time different. Prior to this it was saying wheter you have DISPAY set up properly or not.
23:13 < Dan39> and finally, the ultimate goal is revealed! filezilla!
23:13 < absolutejam> My idea of having a luks volume -> PV -> multiple VGs won't work because you can't have more than one VG per PV by the looks
23:13 < toothe> I really dislike how iwconfig doesn't list the channel you're on.
23:13 < toothe> It lists the frequency.
23:13 < absolutejam> So now I guess I just have to just have one VG and multple lvm volumes
23:13 < absolutejam> kinda wanted that separation *shrug*
23:14 < autopsy> toothe they are translatable to channels. I think I saw iwconfig with channel information before though.
23:14 < Dexx1_> Anyone know how I can fix this? dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0002' near line 0:  newline in field name '#padding'
23:14 < Dan39> TyrfingMjolnir: https://sourceforge.net/projects/saxon/files/Saxon-HE/9.8/SaxonHE9-8-0-12J.zip/download
23:15 < pankaj> searedvandal: I think the main problem is saying that : 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication'.
23:15 < searedvandal> pankaj, delete the .Xauthority file and run 'filezilla' does it still give you the X11 connection rejected because of wrong auth error?
23:15 < pankaj> searedvandal: Same error.
23:16 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you got it past updating the initramfs?
23:16 < pankaj> searedvandal: On host or guest?
23:16 < Dan39> autopsy: lol
23:17 < autopsy> Dan39 I know just chill out homie.
23:17 < Dexx1_> autopsy: ha! do you sleep? Nah, I was afraid my computer won't boot properly, so I followed https://ubuntugenius.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/fix-a-failed-initramfs-update-do-it-before-you-reboot/ and just changed 'update_initramfs=no' (to NO) to reduce that probability. Then I changed it back now I got that error
23:17 < autopsy> Haha.
23:17 < autopsy> Dexx1_, ok. Wow.
23:19 < pankaj> searedvandal: OK. Now, just one error it says: 'Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?'
23:19 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you could edit the file /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0002 and remove the newline char on #padding line
23:19 < cristian_c> autopsy: any ideas?
23:19 < autopsy> Dexx1_, then run the command again.
23:19 < autopsy> cristian_c, no.
23:20 < cristian_c> ok
23:20 < searedvandal> pankaj, you're not trying to run filezilla with sudo, right?
23:20 < Dan39> first problem: using filezilla
23:20 < Pentode> absolutejam, it's easy to figure out. 2.4ghz wifi channels increase in increments of 5, so 2.412 is channel one, 2.417 is channel two, etc.
23:21 < Dan39> whats the point of this?
23:21 < pankaj> searedvandal: Yes.
23:21 < pankaj> Dan39: I also tried running 'xclock' but it counts the same problem
23:21 < Dan39> i thought i told you that sudo wont work in ssh -X
23:21 < Dan39> you cant make it work, but it wont "just work"
23:21 < Dan39> you can*
23:21 < scampbell> pankaj: you said xclock was not found, not loaded. not the the same.
23:21 < absolutejam> bad tab there Pentode ?
23:22 < searedvandal> pankaj, echo $DISPLAY gives you what output on the remote?
23:22 < pankaj> scampbell: Yes,
23:22 < scampbell> listen to seared one cook.
23:23 < pankaj> searedvandal: I think there is problem somewhere. Last time I ran 'echo $DISPLAY' and as I told you it gave something like 'localhost:10.0' and now it gives nothing.
23:23 < Dexx1_> autopsy: is this a bad move? https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/ZJC7tzhrR9/
23:23  * scampbell smells dinner
23:23 < Pentode> absolutejam, sorry bout that ;p
23:24 < searedvandal> pankaj, okay. disconnect the ssh session and start it again. echo $DISPLAY shouldn't be empty
23:24 < matsaman> darkmeson: =)
23:24 < pankaj> scampbell: YOu were saying about .Xauthority file. On guest OS there were three .Xauth and I deleted all and now they are not there.
23:24 < Pentode> i dont know how i mixed that up, lol.
23:24 < pankaj> scampbell: On local machine there is one .Xauthority file.
23:24 < pankaj> scampbell: Do any changes requred to it?
23:24 < autopsy> Dexx1_, YEAH DON'T DO THAT.
23:25 < Pentode> pankaj, no, you dont edit .Xauthority.
23:25 < pankaj> Pentode: I did not.
23:26 < Pentode> pankaj, when you execute startx as user you get a connection rejection as per auth?
23:26 < pankaj> Pentode: Well, I changed the ownership from pankaj:pankajgroup to root:root when it was not working. Now, I set it as it was. So, restarting and connecting again.
23:27 < Dexx1_> autopsy: So, I think I reversed the edit from that web page, but it is STILL behaving like it's there..
23:27 < Pentode> ok
23:27 < matsaman> if I had to guess, using the new 'apt' in general is a bad idea
23:27 < autopsy> Dexx1_, what is it saying to you? An error now?
23:28 < autopsy> matsaman, what is new about it?
23:28 < nivirx> matsaman, Apt is a pretty bad idea in general :^)
23:28 < matsaman> nivirx: well these days, in the 1930s when it was made it was grand
23:28 < Dexx1_> autopsy: no error -- when I try to 'sudo apt-get upgrade jekyll' I end up in that screen (linked above)
23:28 < matsaman> autopsy: vs 'apt-get', it's quite new
23:28 < pankaj> Pentode: Great news. It worked.
23:29 < Pentode> awesome
23:29 < syb0rg> you guys mean that using apt over apt-get is bad? I'm curious why, I have never had an issue with it
23:29 < syb0rg> and it is prettier
23:29 < balletjebal> whats the difference
23:29 < searedvandal> pankaj, you got your program running? awesome
23:29 < matsaman> so is alias apt="apt-get"
23:29 < matsaman> balletjebal: that is the question
23:29 < pankaj> Pentode: Just as the notice it shows at last when running the application: 'Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display "localhost:10.0".
23:29 < autopsy> Dexx1_, I'm confused what screen?
23:30 < matsaman> given Debian utils' penchant for automatic things like deleting all your packages, I'm wary of new ones
23:30 < pankaj> Pentode: What do you think of this warning?
23:30 < darkmeson> huzzah!
23:30 < pankaj> Pentode: Although application runs.
23:30 < syb0rg> The main difference I know is: The `apt` command is meant to be pleasant for end users and does not need to be backward compatible like apt-get(8)."
23:30 < matsaman> everything most villainous in the world was always _meant_ to be most pleasant =P
23:30 < syb0rg> so bad for scripts, but why bad for general use?
23:30 < pankaj> searedvandal: You all guys helped very much otherwise it was not going to work out anyway.
23:31 < matsaman> syb0rg: dunno, balletjebal has the question
23:31 < searedvandal> pankaj, glad to hear you got things working :)
23:31 < darkmeson> pankaj: that can be safely ignored
23:31 < Dan39> pankaj: now, scrap filezilla and install vsftpd
23:31 < autopsy> Dan39++
23:31 < darkmeson> pankaj: There's one other thing. You'll have to keep that ssh connection running or your apps will die
23:31 < pankaj> Dan39: I had vsftpd. Installed filezilla just for ...........
23:31 < matsaman> scrap TP clients and just use ssh
23:32 < pankaj> darkmeson: What is that?
23:32 < Dan39> matsaman++
23:32 < Dexx1_> autopsy: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sQxkfsQJRR/
23:32 < Dexx1_> autopsy: still trying to upgrade Jekyll...
23:32 < Dexx1_> autopsy: is it possible that it's fixed?
23:32 < matsaman> Dan39(+)++(+)++
23:32 < Dan39> o_O
23:32 < Dan39> does that like... do something in brainfuck? lol
23:32 < darkmeson> Typically, you'd either run it in screen or tmux, or use autossh as the final step in a proper solution
23:32 < matsaman> your iteratorses just got iterated
23:33 < pankaj> darkmeson: Firstly even though I restarted and then checked DISPLAY variable and it was empty. I thought it would not work out. So, this time I restarted ssh service and then ran filezilla. This time it worked.
23:33 < autopsy> Dexx1_, it says right here: jekyll is already the newest version (3.0.1+dfsg-1)
23:34 < pankaj> darkmeson: I thought that restarting will do that automatically. Do not know that restarting the service alone is much important. Weird.......
23:34 < nivirx> jeeze, isn't upstream jekyll on version 3.8?
23:34 < autopsy> nivirx, probably.
23:35 < pankaj> darkmeson: You were saying something about dying apps if something is not installed. What is that?
23:35 < autopsy> Dexx1_, do you need a version higher than 3.0.1?
23:36 < autopsy> Dexx1_, don't run sudo apt autoremove though those are your kernels.
23:36 < autopsy> linux-image
23:36 < Pentode> pankaj, well im glad it's working for you finally.
23:36 < searedvandal> Dexx1_, and apt-get upgrade <packagename> is still not advised. I believe the safer way to upgrade a single package is apt-get --only-upgrade install <packagename>
23:37 < autopsy> Dexx1_, listen to searedvandal he knows what he is talking about.
23:37 < pankaj> Pentode: Thanks to all you guys. It is because all of you.
23:37 < autopsy> pankaj, you took like 3 hours.
23:37 < autopsy> Dexx1_, no I don't sleep.
23:37 < pankaj> Pentode: Just one question till now. What does 'localhost:10.0' correct meaning is?
23:37 < pankaj> autopsy: I know
23:38 < pankaj> Pentode: How to make sense and understand it?
23:38 < Pentode> pankaj, it means the xserver is directing it's rendering to a display elsewhere on the network, namely your machine.
23:38 < Dexx1_> lol
23:38 < Dexx1_> searedvandal: autopsy I want to upgrade to jekyll 3.8
23:38 < pankaj> Pentode: And that ':10.0'
23:38 < autopsy> Dexx1_, you'll need to enable unstable repositories for that I guess.
23:39 < autopsy> development I guess. Its callled.
23:39 < Wulf> Hello!
23:39 < matsaman> hi wulf
23:39 < Pentode> 0:0 is the local display, 10.0 is just one it picks i guess per default since it's not likely to be used? i dont really know _why_ it's chosen.
23:39 < autopsy> Hi Wulf.
23:40 < autopsy> Dexx1_, do you know how to enable testing updates unstable repositories in apt-get?
23:40 < autopsy> searedvandal, how does he upgrade to jekyll 3.8? Using unstable?
23:41 < nivirx> you would just install it from ruby gems wouldn't you
23:41 < searedvandal> yeah, ruby gems
23:41 < searedvandal> would be my guess
23:41 < Wulf> I've got two laptops with an external screen each. Is there an easy way to "connect" the two screens from the second computer to the other one through network?
23:42 < nivirx> as long as an up to date ruby is also provided...
23:42 < pnbeast> pankaj, this posting has some information:  https://stackoverflow.com/questions/746119/how-do-you-use-display-specifications
23:42 < pankaj> pnbeast: OK
23:44 < Pentode> pankaj, essentially the first number is the display sequence, this identifies the active xserver display, the second is the screen number. every display can have multiple screens attached, 0 being the default.
23:44 < Pentode> hopefully i explained that right..
23:44 < pankaj> Pentode: Oh! 'screen' I understand.
23:45 < autopsy> Yeah screen number.
23:46 < scampbell> but "screen" in this case, has nothing to do with your monitor screen or which monitor.
23:46 < autopsy> It is only one that one is :0.0
23:47 < scampbell> X screens are a concept that really doesn't map into modern use.  I don't believe I've seen multiple screens and an X server in decades.
23:48 < autopsy> I've got :0.0 and :0.1
23:48 < scampbell> really?  what for (seriously curious)
23:48 < autopsy> First Xserver First and second screens.
23:49 < autopsy> scampbell, so I can drag apps to second screen and have more real estate.
23:49 < Prof_Birch> Ugh, how do i pick a database type
23:49 < Prof_Birch> nosql vs sql
23:49 < eviladmin> why not both?
23:49 < eviladmin> aka postgresql
23:49 < scampbell> autopsy: interesing, I do that with only one screen with multiple monitors.
23:49 < eviladmin> but really, depends on the use case
23:49 < jimm> pg good :)
23:50 < autopsy> scampbell, yeah multiple monitors I mean.
23:50 < Prof_Birch> eviladmin: I am so bad with database design
23:50 < eviladmin> authors of postgres have said that naming it postgresql was a mistake
23:50 < eviladmin> the sql bit that is :p
23:50 < scampbell> autopsy: check, I think you get the same DISPLAY regardless of monitor.  Am I wrong?
23:51 < Prof_Birch> I might be able to get away with just Json, but I've never used it
23:51 < autopsy> scampbell, its saying $DISPLAY is only :0
23:52 < scampbell> autopsy: yeah, I don't really think anyone uses multiple screens anymore. That would, in fact, mean you couldnt drag between them I think.
23:52 < autopsy> scampbell, ohhhh right.
23:52 < Pentode> yeah the idea is they are separate isolated entities which clients can connect i think
23:52 < autopsy> scampbell, yeah they are joined thats right.
23:52 < eviladmin> Prof_Birch: what data is it?
23:53 < eviladmin> and what is the access pattern?
23:53 < scampbell> Weirdst use of X screens was a vendor doing cad work for multiple auto vendors. Multiple ethernet nics, multiple screens on the Xserver and dumb as everlasing f** because both vendors had command line access.
23:54 < Pentode> o_O
23:54 < Prof_Birch> eviladmin: that's the tough part. I am not sure the scope of the data yet, so I am reluctant to design a schema just yet. I am thinking Json or a flat file database will give me flexibility to start. Multi-user technically, but the intention is just one actual users, but one or two of their devices might access at the same time (phone and laptop). SQLite works fine for something like that
23:55 < pankaj> darkmeson: Hello.
23:56 < eviladmin> you don't want flatfile then
23:56 < eviladmin> you can stuff json natively into pg
23:56 < matsaman> Prof_Birch: you'll be able to change just about at any moment
23:56 < phinxy> i had to mount my /boot partition on a macbook.  mount -t vfat did not work (not found) but -t msdos brought it up..  If msdos is FAT16 and vfat FAT32, could something break?
23:56 < pankaj> darkmeson: I know you said about the one thing to keep apps running otherwise the apps will die about. Was it about keeping the ssh connection alive I think because after some period of time when I echo $DISPLAY it vanished and return to nothing from 'localhost:10.0'.
23:57 < eviladmin> if it is just ever two client accessing sqlite would probably work fine too
23:58 < autopsy> phinxy, yeah files can break. It should be FAT16 though msdos.
23:58 < Prof_Birch> My simplified mind isn't thinking much outside of key-value pairs, which simplicity is a unix virtue, but I worry I am missing something with that approach
23:58 < autopsy> phinxy, you have the 8.3 rule on filenames.
23:59 < matsaman> Prof_Birch: problems become apparent when they need to be =)
23:59 < autopsy> phinxy, no POSIX file permissions either.
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