--- Log opened Sat Jun 23 00:00:09 2018
00:01  * Pentode shrugs
00:02 < Pentode> if you want to avoid bad words you could just create a list and condition them in.
00:02 < Pentode> every time it picks a random word, check the word against the list. if it's naughty, pick again.
00:03 < kurahaupo> seven-eleven: unless you get a password generated using the entire range of 95 printable ascii with equal probability, there's way less entropy in character passwords than most people assume.
00:03 < Pentode> but as you said, using characters is just easier / convenient or what ever.
00:03 < jim> or don't have naughty words in your random word list :)
00:03 < Pentode> or that
00:03 < jim> Todden, probably better from the beginning
00:04 < kurahaupo> seven-eleven: Google for "horse battery staple" for a good explanation
00:04 < Todden> huh
00:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> Todden: xkcd reference
00:04 < ntd> https://irc.com/
00:05 < ntd> mhm
00:05 < Todden> Oh i know
00:05 < michael2> batteryhorsecorrectstaple
00:05 < Todden> I mean what you mean better fro mbegining
00:05 < jim> yeah
00:05 < Todden> https://imgur.com/gallery/R2r0e5B
00:05 < Todden> This is my current state
00:06 < kurahaupo> ntd: yes we've seen that.
00:06 < ntd> i'm... sceptical.
00:06 < mooniac> kerframil: is there a way to just reset/rewrite/purge the FAT (file allocation table)? shred takes forever on 64 GB.
00:06 < kurahaupo> mooniac: mke2fs
00:06 < Todden> So where from here,i need to...do stuff
00:07 < jim> the installer might set the type code... but you might also run fdisk later
00:07 < Todden> Yeah
00:07 < Todden> I may have to encrypt this after
00:07 < jim> to set the type
00:07 < Todden> Provided its set up to encrypt too
00:07 < kurahaupo> ntd: so are many folk
00:07 < Todden> Thats cool
00:07 < Todden> The installer should do esp if there is no option for it
00:07 < Todden> So now what,a gigantic ext4 for everythign else?
00:07 < mooniac> /dev/sde1 is mounted; will not make a filesystem here!
00:07 < Todden> Feels a little...wrong
00:08 < kurahaupo> mooniac: so umount it first
00:08 < jim> no, a gigantic "physical volume for luks
00:08 < jim> "
00:08 < Todden> How do i do that
00:08 < Todden> I had no idea what a luk was until like 10 mins ago
00:08 < mooniac> /dev/sde1 contains a exfat file system labelled '⿯듄ꜯ늬Ạ⁎㤴蛪뙮憿���蟪䓚㘱'
00:09 < Todden> What mount point,what flags
00:09 < jim> try hitting enter on the free space
00:09 < Todden> ext4 i guess
00:09 < jim> no mount point yet
00:09 < Todden> No nothing,i can just go into create
00:09 < Todden> And get that menu up
00:09 < jim> not ext4 (yet)
00:09 < kurahaupo> mooniac: why did you start with shred?
00:09 < Todden> Nothing i can do except open the "create" bit
00:09 < jim> go into create
00:09 < Todden> Yeah im in
00:09 < mooniac> kerframil told me so
00:10 < kurahaupo> mooniac: how sensitive is the information on the device?
00:10 < jim> ok, is there a choice "physical volume for luks"?
00:10 < mooniac> nothing of value.
00:10 < Todden> nope
00:10 < jim> what are the choices?
00:10 < Todden> no flag that mentions luks either
00:11 < Todden> Hang on
00:11 < jim> or, can you take pic?
00:11 < mooniac> I guess I didn't make it clear: it's a corrupted micro SD card, and I want to make it useable again, I don't care about what's on it
00:11 < Todden> https://imgur.com/gKBAKww
00:11 < jim> Zoinks! You've taken a wrong turn.
00:12 < Todden> Yeah i noticed
00:12 < Todden> 1s
00:12 < Todden> idk what i did
00:12 < veridiam> ruh roh raggy
00:12 < Todden> now
00:12 < Todden> https://imgur.com/gallery/gKBAKww
00:12 < Todden> wtf
00:12 < Todden> this sucks
00:13 < jim> got another image site?
00:13 < Todden> Theres the file system,mount point and flags
00:13 < Todden> thats it
00:13 < candidat> hello guys ^^
00:13 < Todden> And size
00:13 < candidat> good day
00:13 < kurahaupo> mooniac: umount it then mkfs -t vfat /dev/sde1
00:13 < jim> it's not letting you post?
00:13 < Todden> Im trying again
00:14 < Todden> http://imgur.com/f5XiyUL
00:14 < kerframil> mooniac: I had gotten the impression that you wanted to erase all existing data. if that's not the case, then use wipefs -a to scrub only the existing filesystem/partition signatures then reformat in the fashion that kurahaupo describes. you absolutely must unmount first.
00:14 < Todden> https://imgur.com/gallery/f5XiyUL
00:15 < Todden> idk why its doing it all in this stupid gallery
00:15 < mooniac> mke2fs is running now
00:15 < Todden> i hate imgur
00:15 < Todden> there you go
00:15 < kerframil> mooniac: for instance, if your sdcard was mounted from /dev/sdb1, then you can unmount it and run wipefs -a /dev/sdb1. that will erase any filesystem signatures, effectively giving you a clean slate for making a new filesystem.
00:16 < jim> can you click on where it says ext4, which should come up into a bunch of choices, and take another pic?
00:17 < Todden> ext2,3,4,linuxswap,fat16,fat32,ntfs,unformatted,brtfs
00:17 < foo> Is there a way to run a process and send it to the background in command line? eg. ssh -D8888 myhost & ? (which defaults to stopped)
00:18 < Todden> Im installing an app now to share clipboard with android device
00:18 < jim> ok, write the partition table
00:18 < Todden> so i can just copy/paste it directly no more rubbish typing of links
00:18 < Todden> So leave it like this?
00:18 < bls> foo: some programs won't run if they're not in the foreground
00:19 < jim> I dont know if this dist lets you do luks and has the code set up for it
00:19 < Todden> 300MB at drive start fat32 /boot/efi followed by ext4 /boot 3gb followed by 72GB
00:19 < foo> bls: I wonder if ssh -D8888 my host is one of those commands? I basically want to open a connection and tunnel through it, but I won't be doing anything there in there
00:19 < Todden> I will have to encrypt and partition it POST install im guessing
00:19 < Todden> Shall i at least turn the 72GB into ext4
00:19 < Todden> And mount as /
00:19 < bls> foo: if you do want ssh to stay in the background for tunnel purposes, there are args you need to give it
00:19 < jim> well just hold on
00:20 < jim> what is this, ubuntu?
00:20 < bls> foo: read up on -N vs -n args, as well as -T vs -t
00:20 < ntd> foo, screen -dmS foo /path/to/foo
00:21 < seven-eleven> ohh, bitcoin uses only 2049 words for their seed https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt
00:21 < foo> ntd: thank you, not sure how screen plays into this - I am familiar with that
00:21 < foo> bls: thank you, will check those args
00:21 < jim> which dist is this?
00:22 < kerframil> foo: perhaps `ssh -T ... & disown` (run `help disown` for an explanation)
00:22 < mooniac> ok, that seems to have worked.
00:22 < Todden> Im holding on anyway,no rush
00:22 < mooniac> you said vfat, should this be exfat?
00:22 < Todden> We will have much faster pictures now
00:22 < jim> Todden, which dist is this?
00:22 < bls> foo: -f is another that may or may not be relevant to your specific circumstances
00:22 < foo> jim: not sure if your question is for me or not, but I'm on mac os
00:22 < foo> x
00:23 < Todden> jim, Lunbuntu err
00:23 < nchambers> you're asking ##linux about macos?
00:23 < Todden> cosmic-desktop-amd64
00:23 < Todden> Is the .iso
00:23 < kerframil> Todden: probably not, because it's contrary to the goal of using dm-crypt. in principle, it should begin as "unformatted" and should be initially configured with cryptsetup. whether your distro guides you through doing this in its installer, I don't know.
00:23 < Todden> you recommended it didnt you?
00:23 < jim> well I would have recommended plain ol debian ;)
00:24 < kerframil> Todden: perhaps you should check the wiki/docs for the distro in question. something as mainstream as ubuntu must surely have an article.
00:24 < jim> I know it gets this part right
00:24 < Todden> Its not ubuntu
00:24 < Todden> its lubuntu,someone here recommended it
00:24 < Todden> I cant remember who
00:25 < Todden> Its just this version doesnt have automaatic LVM and encrypted volume setup
00:25 < Todden> So i gotta do it manually then post install do the encryption
00:25 < Todden> Which iguess i can do
00:25 < Todden> So Where do i go from here
00:25  * triceratux takes full responsibility for recommending lubuntu 18.10
00:26 < xamithan> Most ubuntu doesn't unless you use the alternate installer
00:26 < Todden> Lubuntu 18.10 amd64
00:26 < Todden> There it is
00:26 < Todden> triceratux,
00:26 < Todden> The damn installer doesnt support auto LVM or encryption :P
00:26 < Todden> Nice desktop enviro though
00:26 < kerframil> that's a poor show
00:26 < Todden> Look if nobody knowws what to do next
00:26 < jim> triceratux, ok, how can he do a luks partition?
00:26 < Todden> Im just gonna throw the spare space as ext4 with a mount of /
00:27 < kerframil> Todden: I do, but I'm not sure if it's worth going down this route. you could spend time taking care of this phase manually, only to find that it doesn't build a kernel initramfs to support the resulting setup and it doesn't boot anyway.
00:27 < Todden> Also...why no swap space?
00:27 < b1101> Todden: This is a good guide to use to create lvm encrypted partition scheme. It's for slackware, but it explains the steps clearly. Just scroll down to combine lucks and lvm http://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-14.1/README_CRYPT.TXT
00:27 < Todden> Every single tutorial/person ive spoken to till today says swap space
00:27 < kerframil> Todden: in which case, that time will have been wasted
00:27 < Todden> This laptop has 2gb ram
00:27 < Todden> might even be 1gb
00:27 < triceratux> Todden: sorry about that i dont do installers or encryption. it may still be there in 18.04 lts or you may have to drop all the way to 16.04
00:27 < Todden> whats comand in terminal to check?
00:27 < xamithan> lubuntu 18.04 has an alternate installer too
00:27 < xamithan> You could use that
00:27 < Todden> I do like this desktop envirnment
00:27 < Todden> In 18.10
00:27 < jim> well 1gb is on the low side
00:27 < kerframil> xamithan: perhaps give him the link
00:28 < xamithan> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
00:28 < Todden> Nah i like this
00:28 < Todden> Ill keep it
00:28 < Todden> Ill fuck with it
00:28 < kerframil> thanks, xamithan
00:28 < Todden> oops
00:28 < Todden> language eah yeah
00:28 < Psi-Jack> Todden: Kindly mind the language.
00:28 < Todden> I forgot
00:28 < Todden> Los siento
00:28 < Todden> Can i swear in other languages?
00:28 < Psi-Jack> No.
00:28 < Todden> Even dead ones?
00:28 < Psi-Jack> No.
00:29 < Todden> P'taq!
00:29 < jim> isn't that kilngon?
00:29 < Todden> ...Literally the only word in klingon i know
00:29 < Todden> Yeah it means coward :P
00:29 < Todden> Psi-Jack, it is legit the only word
00:29 < Todden> jim, Nice job on recognising it
00:30 < Todden> So pls what next i got stuff to do
00:30 < foo> Does anyone know how ssh -D8888 myhost can be sent to the background? I'm only running this to tunnel through it, I don't want/need to have an actual terminal on the remote machine. I've tried -f -t -T and a few others and no matter what it seems to show a stopped job, which only causes web pages to not load (it's hanging0
00:30 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, I recognized it as well. heh
00:30 < Todden> Im sitting here waiting
00:30 < Psi-Jack> Todden: "please" not "pls"
00:30 < xamithan> You can do any background with a & at the end
00:30 < Todden> Psi-Jack, I was being like..a kid on purpose
00:31 < Todden> like "pls halp"
00:31  * Psi-Jack yawns.
00:31 < Todden> Seriously though Im thinking of 2gb swap space
00:31 < xamithan> "ssh -D888 &"
00:31 < Isky> Todden: you forgot the 2 in the middle. :P
00:31 < Todden> Isky, NOGOODWITH COMPUTEE
00:31 < Todden> PLS2HALP
00:31 < Todden> ooer
00:31 < Isky> Todden: 2G isn't much swap.
00:31 < Todden> Anyway whats the command in terminal
00:31 < jim> Todden, we can try a couple different things... one, we can see on a google search if luibuntu can do luks... another thing, we can go to plain debian
00:31 < Psi-Jack> 2G is plenty enough.
00:31 < Todden> To check how much RAMy ou got
00:31 < foo> ah, it might be -N
00:31 < Isky> Todden: free ?
00:32 < Psi-Jack> You should NEVER have more than 2GB swap total.
00:32 < Todden> No total
00:32 < Todden> This laptop i didnt buy
00:32 < Todden> Its my grandads old ones
00:32 < Todden> And it depends when he bought it
00:32 < Todden> How much ram they put in
00:32 < Isky> Psi-Jack: tell that to darktable. :P
00:32 < Todden> I bet he cheaped out and went for 2x512GB
00:32 < Todden> But i cant tell
00:32 < Psi-Jack> Show me where this darktable is.
00:32 < Psi-Jack> :p
00:32 < jim> sec
00:32 < Isky> Psi-Jack: it's a photography workflow app
00:33 < Psi-Jack> And?
00:33 < Todden> Yep
00:33 < Todden> Its 1GB
00:33 < Todden> Of RAM
00:33 < Todden> Im thinking 3gb of swap as gargantuan overkill
00:33 < Isky> Psi-Jack: I can't show you what it is via text, so I told you. :P
00:33  * Psi-Jack falls out of his chair.
00:33 < Todden> Told you it was a craptop
00:33 < Psi-Jack> Todden: Never have more than 2x the amount of RAM either.
00:33 < Isky> Psi-Jack: to be fair, it's the huge files I work with in there sometimes while also have a ton of chromium tabs open that make me swap a lot.
00:33 < Todden> Psi-Jack, Why is that a rule
00:33 < Todden> This is going to be a basic "by the bed" PC
00:34 < Psi-Jack> Todden: Because it will slow you the heck down. LOL
00:34 < Todden> Simple comms for my LDR,web browsing
00:34  * Isky nods.
00:34 < Todden> So nothing fancy
00:34 < Todden> I just want to screw round with linux at night
00:34 < Psi-Jack> 2GB swap is plenty, and all you should ever use, because swap != RAM
00:34 < Todden> I like learning about it,but i have no idea how to do this particular bit
00:34 < ryouma> maybe already said but debian by default has teh installer option to do luks on lvm.  personally i think lvm is not worth the corner cases.
00:34 < Psi-Jack> If you think you /need/ more than 2GB Swap, what you really need is more RAM.
00:34 < Todden> Oh thats fine
00:34 < Todden> ill go to that siter
00:34 < Todden> http://downloadmoreram.com
00:35 < Todden> once its installed
00:35 < Psi-Jack> Isky: Goes for you too. :)
00:35 < Todden> Ill format and flag 2gb as swap
00:35 < Psi-Jack> Enter..
00:35 < Psi-Jack> Enter.
00:35 < Psi-Jack> Enter.. It's very noisy when you hit enter excessively.
00:35 < Todden> Anything else?
00:35 < Todden> I got 69.4GB i was gonna ext4 / mount point
00:36 < Todden> Also hmm better reboot this PC once i got the installer going spotify isnt workin
00:36 < Psi-Jack> So, it's been a week of Solus now.
00:37 < Todden> Ok im doing my idea
00:37 < Todden> Nobody has any other ones i just want this installer running
00:37 < Psi-Jack> Never ONCE in a full week, did my system even get close to using up 16GB RAM. Frankly, I'm freaking impressed.
00:37 < Todden> if it fails i burn gparted to a disk and then format stuff properly
00:37 < Psi-Jack> I barely used 6GB once, when I ran a VM.
00:37 < Todden> Shall i flag the main volume as LVM
00:37 < Todden> only flag i can think to use
00:37 < Psi-Jack> LVM isn't a "flag"
00:38 < jim> yeah me too
00:38 < Todden> Tell that to this
00:38 < jim> in this dist it is
00:38 < Psi-Jack> What distribution is that?
00:38 < jim> he showed me a pic
00:38 < jim> lubuntu
00:38 < Isky> Psi-Jack: I've used a lot more than 6... even on a desktop. What do you do with your system?
00:38 < Psi-Jack> It's a checkbox for the simple partitioner.
00:38 < Psi-Jack> Isky: I installed Solus.
00:39 < Isky> hell, chromium is currently eating almost 5 for me.
00:39 < jim> Psi-Jack, is there a different partitioner?
00:39  * Isky closes several tabs. 
00:39 < superboot> Psi-Jack: I never use swap ether, but I always setup my laptops with more swap than ram because IIRC you can't hibernate if swap is smaller than ram. Do you find that to be the case?
00:39 < Todden> Incidentallly clipsync lets you share clipboard over android and PC
00:39 < Psi-Jack> Isky: I have anywhere from 1~4 chrome windows open with up to about 40 tabs per. I run Rambox, an electron multi-protocol IM client, Hexchat, Evolution constantly running, Synergy, sometimes virtual machines, SecondLife client, etc.
00:39 < Todden> http://imgur.com/gallery/tavQJvT
00:39 < Todden> Just copied that from my android device with a less than 0.5s delay
00:39 < bls> superboot: most of us have given up on ever using hibernate
00:40 < Todden> PC's can turn off?
00:40 < Psi-Jack> superboot: You can do hibernation on swap with less physical swap than  physical RAM, and you can also use a swapfile for hibernation purposes as well.
00:40 < Todden> I mean aside from for updatehttp://imgur.com/gallery/tavQJvT
00:40 < Todden> [23:39:51] <Todden> Just copied that from my android device with a less than 0.5s delay
00:40 < Todden> [23:39:52] <bls> superboot: most of us have given s
00:40 < superboot> bls: rly? why?
00:40 < Todden> Sorry it pasted randomly
00:40 < Psi-Jack> And yeah, hibernate..... Is a PITA.
00:40 < Todden> Hiberate is a pain
00:40 < Todden> it worked so well in XP
00:40 < superboot> Haha, ok. Thanks all.
00:40 < Todden> And in 7 for a while
00:40 < bls> superboot: because APCI is such a buggy piece of garbage it rarely works
00:40 < Todden> then...it didnt
00:40 < Todden> now my PC turns right back on
00:40 < Todden> Also shall i turn that LVM flag on
00:41 < Todden> Or just leave it and create it,as im bored of partitioning
00:41 < bls> er ACPI
00:41 < jim> Todden, yeah let's see what it does
00:41 < Todden> i will go full gparted liveUSB
00:41 < Psi-Jack> bls: And the people responsible for hibernation in the kernel, also aren't too interested in it either...
00:41 < Todden> If this fails
00:41 < Psi-Jack> Todden: Enter is /not/ punctuation, pauses in thought, etc. Please, seriously....
00:42 < Todden> Sorry I type extremely fast and have always done that its really become a force of habit at this point
00:42 < bls> people usually battle it into working (sometimes) on their first linux laptop only to realize it's just as fast and way less hassle to suspend or reboot
00:42 < jim> Psi-Jack, I got this, you don't need to put on admin hat
00:42 < Psi-Jack> I suspend my laptop, work and personal a lot.
00:43 < bls> I've even quit bothering with suspend
00:43 < Todden> I type as fast as i can speak and exactly as i would be speaking...like if i use 3 dots thats where I would actually pause in real speech(Here is the summary window: http://imgur.com/gallery/q2Z9KI8 )
00:43 < jim> Todden, if you partition it outside the installer, the system might not pick it up
00:43 < mophed> systemctl syspend on my macbook pro running arch has 0 issues
00:43 < Todden> True true,but yeah this is my total summary of all the changes im making..lets see what happens!
00:43 < Psi-Jack> lubuntu uses partprobe just like Ubuntu, so yes, it will.
00:44 < Todden> inb4 kernel panic
00:44 < jim> (small notification,,, I'm running out of time)
00:44 < rascul> lubuntu is ubuntu, it's literally just a set of packages
00:44 < bls> some people get lucky and have a bug free system with well supported bios/hardware. some us aren't, and just avoid it
00:45 < Psi-Jack> bls: Sometimes, it's just a matter of adjusting the kernel parameters for the right ACPI setting and stuff just works. ;)
00:45 < mophed> bls: i spent a solid 3 days getting acpid working
00:45 < Psi-Jack> Getting acpid itself working, is itself pretty easy.
00:45 < rascul> i have no use case that any sort of suspend would fit
00:45 < Todden> Well it hasnt exploded
00:45 < Todden> Yet.
00:46 < Psi-Jack> BOOM!
00:46  * triceratux gets bored if his linux is not literally crumbling before his eyes
00:46 < Todden> triceratux, you must not get bored often
00:46 < jim> Todden, a couple things we can try: either a google search to see how to do luks in lubuntu, or try a different dist (I recommend debian, I know it handles luks right)
00:46 < foo> Bah, does this work for someone else? curl -A "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_3) AppleWebKit/604.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0.3 Safari/604.5.6" -s https://checkip.dyndns.org
00:46 < rascul> ubuntu doesn't do luks right?
00:46 < xamithan> Well we already gave him the link to alternate installer that is the debian installer
00:47 < Todden> You guys did indeed,but i LIKE this one to be honest
00:47 < jim> rascul, I'm starting to suspect that...
00:47 < xamithan> ubuntu does luks fine
00:47 < Todden> Its got a nice interface,nice installer and frankly its the fastest damn OS ive installed on this PC that includes linux lite
00:47 < rascul> i did luks on ubuntu in the past, 3ish years ago
00:47 < Todden> And linux mint
00:47 < Todden> And ofc the vista it came with,jesus christ
00:47 < rascul> no, i lied, that was ecryptfs or whatever
00:47 < Todden> barely useable
00:47 < jim> xamithan, how do you get lubuntu installer to do luks?
00:48 < rascul> wtf is linux lite?
00:48 < xamithan> You use the alternate lubuntu installer
00:48 < xamithan> The same way you'd use the alternate ubuntu installer to do LVM, raid, or Luks
00:48 < Todden> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
00:48 < jim> xamithan, how do you get to that?
00:48 < Todden> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
00:49 < Todden> Sorry didnt mean to double paste
00:49 < Todden> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/cosmic-desktop-amd64.iso this is what i used
00:49 < jim> Todden, hold on one sec... looks like we're gonna do a different installer
00:49 < Psi-Jack> So an unstable... Good idea.
00:49 < Todden> Im already at 54% creating locle
00:49 < Todden> Psi-Jack, Yep
00:49 < xamithan> Well the link I got was just googling.  But i'm sure it is on other mirrors: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
00:50 < Todden> Apparently its extremely stable,and honestly it 100% is the fastest OS ive put on here even running off a USB stick let alone the actual PC plus i do like the desktop environment more than any other distro ive found
00:50 < Todden> And If we try another installer and restart the process...eh thats ok,i just do like this distro
00:50 < Psi-Jack> Todden: Tried Solus?
00:51 < Todden> No honestly but seriously this thing is lightning speed ahead of everything else,all other OS's had a 1-2 second hang on menus..not this and thats running off a usb2 stick
00:51 < jim> Todden, grab this installer: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso
00:52 < Todden> That aint the same version
00:52 < Todden> This is 18.10
00:52 < Psi-Jack> Solus for me has been the fastest and somehow most memory efficient distro I've used to date.
00:52 < ryouma> haven't even heard of solus
00:52 < jim> let's see
00:52 < Todden> Already got 18.04 somewhere actually to be honest,on my PC
00:52 < Psi-Jack> Todden: 18.10 doesn't exist yet so no
00:52 < ryouma> it would take a lot to get me to stop using debian
00:53 < Psi-Jack> It's not even October yet.
00:53 < triceratux> i can run linux 4.17 if i run tumbleweed, xorg 1.20.0 if i run altlinux sisyphus or swagarch, & lxqt 0.13.0 if i run the cosmic ubuntu
00:53 < Todden> one moment Psi-Jack
00:53 < ryouma> maybe guixsd could take its place if it became popular
00:53 < rascul> ryouma stable ubuntu is just an old debian unstable anyway
00:53 < Psi-Jack> No moment needed. 18.10 does not exist yet.
00:53 < ryouma> rascul: then why is it pumping Todden up?
00:53 < rascul> dunno
00:54 < Todden> Im hallucinating from all the amphetamines
00:54 < mophed> lol
00:54 < Todden> http://imgur.com/gallery/1Tf1IMC
00:54 < Todden> or that
00:54 < ryouma> not gonna click
00:54 < rascul> it's 1 404
00:54 < rascul> s/1/a/
00:54 < Todden> huh
00:54 < Todden> its ok on my end
00:55 < Todden> Under Devices it seriously says
00:55 < jim> Todden, you can get that version then do an in-place upgrade
00:55 < Todden> Lubuntu 18.10 amd64
00:55 < Psi-Jack> Todden: You understand Ubuntu releases are YY.MM, right? Last two digits of the year, two-digit 0-padded month. 18.04 is April 2018's release.
00:55 < Todden> No i do not
00:55 < jim> anyway though, unfortunately I ran out of time
00:55 < rascul> it's labeled 18.10 because they're working on it, there's no actual 18.10 yet
00:55 < Psi-Jack> ^
00:56 < Psi-Jack> daily-live == unstable
00:56 < foo> Bah, does this work for someone else? curl -A "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_3) AppleWebKit/604.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0.3 Safari/604.5.6" -s https://checkip.dyndns.org - and BTW, this just hangs for me
00:56 < xamithan> "These being the first daily builds, don't expect them to have any major changes. They're still based on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, and, most probably, the Ubuntu development team only updated the toolchain to kick off the development of Ubuntu 18.10, which is yet to receive a codename from Mark Shuttleworth, which will start with "Cosmic.""
00:56 < xamithan> Huh,  that is interesting.
00:57 < jim> coismic carroteater?
00:57 < Todden> The fact this picture isnt loading is bugging the hell out of me
00:57 < xamithan> cosmic cuttlefish
00:57 < Todden> Making me look crazy
00:57 < Todden> https://imgur.com/iKiqriM
00:57 < Todden> There
00:57 < Todden> boo
00:57 < Todden> km
00:59 < Todden> That killed the convo...its at 96% and i now have to try make a phone call,im concerned someone hasnt called me today who really shouldve
01:00 < Todden> Like a "Theres a chance this person is legit dead" sort of person
01:00 < Psi-Jack> TMI
01:00 < jim> Todden, ok, listen.... I got a playing session in a couple hours... I gotta go prepare for it... the alternate image is the one that lets you do luks, you should give it a try... if there's only 18.4, use that, install just the base, then upgrade the base to 18.10
01:00 < Todden> Does it have the same desktop environment as this?
01:00 < kerframil> foo: doesn't work either. probably a more reliable alternative: https://checkip.amazonaws.com
01:00 < jim> maybe a little different
01:01 < Todden> jim, ill save that image and fiddle round with this for a bit see what i can do
01:01 < foo> kerframil: *thank you*
01:01 < Todden> See if i can encrypt it,thanks for all the help man
01:01 < jim> but if you upgrade, it should be the same
01:01 < Todden> or girl
01:01 < foo> kerframil: perfect. FWIW, it works fine in browser, they must be doing something and blocking
01:01 < Todden> Yeah but wheres the challenge
01:01 < Todden> I feel guilty having got so much help for this bit
01:01 < kerframil> foo: that's weird
01:01 < Todden> So i now will punish myself by trying to figure out how to encrypt my whole disk from this
01:02 < Todden> But have a good sesh
01:02 < Todden> What sport?
01:02 < jim> Todden, if you do it from the installer, it'll set the luks stuff up for you, including the code that has to activate it at boot
01:02 < Todden> Oh alright
01:02 < Todden> Ill take a look
01:03 < jim> if you do it -not- from the installer, you'll have a lot of code to write to get luks working correctly
01:03 < Todden> K
01:03 < Todden> So the alternate one from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/
01:03 < foo> kerframil: yeah... exactly what I said. I thought user agent would be enough to spoof it, not sure what they're doing.
01:03 < kerframil> foo: I would just not bother using them then. life's too short.
01:03 < foo> kerframil: curl -A "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_13_3) AppleWebKit/604.5.6 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/11.0.3 Safari/604.5.6" -s https://checkip.amazonaws.com - strange, this is showing cached IP, nto the IP after I change proxies. *baffle*
01:03 < foo> kerframil: agreed.
01:03 < foo> kerframil: however, if I go to that domain in my web browser it shows my proper IP I'm tunned through. what. the.heck.
01:04 < Todden> Ill do it from 18.04 upgrade internally then if it still doesnt have the same desktop environment ill just find a way to install it,as it looked really nice
01:04 < Todden> Have fun playing..whatever,if you havent been skiiing i recommend that
01:06 < jamithy_> .
01:06 < kerframil> foo: there's another method, though it doesn't function in all environments
01:06 < kerframil> foo: dig +short myip.opendns.com @resolver1.opendns.com
01:06 < Todden> how is cowboys vs aliens popular on netflix that is the worst film ever made
01:07 < Todden> Anyway thanks for your help guys im DLing the 18.04 img then doing my thing,ill be afk calling people and watching TV....gotta say this is the most helpful #linux has been
01:07 < Todden> Cheers everyone
01:08 < foo> kerframil: oh, this tunnel may only go through port 8888... not all network connections, that'd make sense
01:08 < foo> kerframil: eg. your dig command (which I like, thank you) shows me my actual IP
01:08 < foo> I likely have to say "use port 8888" to curl
01:09 < foo> (since safari is set to use 8888)
01:09 < kerframil> foo: what kind of proxy is it?
01:10 < kerframil> foo: for curl, you can define ALL_PROXY, assuming that the proxy in question covers all the protocols that you will be using from curl. the format is explained in the man page.
01:13 < foo> kerframil: SOCKS. eg. safar has this https://screencast.com/t/I6s0CEHbSc
01:14 < kerframil> foo: export ALL_PROXY=socks5://localhost:8888
01:16 < foo> kerframil: thank you, curl --preproxy localhost:8888 worked for me to. Appreciate it!
01:20 < kerframil> foo: you can also use socks5h://localhost:8888. the difference would be that DNS lookups are handled by the proxy also.
01:26 < foo> kerframil: thanks!
01:46 < dannylee> happy weekend
02:05 < yuken> I have an old laptop that has an Intel iGPU, which displays the laptop screen and outputs on it, and a switchable HD 6770M. This GPU is detected properly and lspci -nk tells me the driver it's using, so it's detected
02:06 < yuken> but how do I actually use the GPU?
02:08 < xamithan> Which GPU ?
02:10 < xamithan> I assume there would be something in the catalyst drivers to switch over
02:10 < Evidlo> are there any Live debian distros that dont come with X11?
02:11 < yuken> xamithan, HD 6770M
02:12 < phogg> Evidlo: any more? probably not
02:12 < yuken> and I'm not going to use Catalyst.
02:12 < phogg> Evidlo: I would count most installer discs up to the point where installers became graphical, plus a number of bootable recovery and imaging tools
02:12 < micrex22> phogg any reason why svgalib isn't leveraged more often?
02:13 < Evidlo> I think the arch iso boots straight into a shell
02:13 < xamithan> There might be something in the bios to switch the GPU.  but otherwise I think you have to use the amd drivers
02:13 < yuken> ...
02:13 < phogg> micrex22: I've no idea. I suppose it's probably irritating to work with.
02:13 < phogg> Evidlo: the guix "install" image does that. It's old school, though.
02:13 < yuken> xamithan, no, there isn't. The display and everything is not connected to the GPU, at all, it's just a switchable card
02:13 < yuken> not a dedicated card.
02:14 < yuken> Currently it says that it's using radeon.
02:14 < Evidlo> what about all these new "cloud" images that distros are providing nowadays?
02:15 < phogg> Evidlo: if you want to count them, sure
02:15 < Evidlo> phogg: is that what they do?  I've never used them
02:15 < phogg> Evidlo: they're not exactly "live distros" in my book if they expect to be able to write to the disk image
02:15 < triceratux> Evidlo: https://linuxbbq.org/ ?
02:16 < Evidlo> I just wanted an iso that I could boot in qemu and test a python CLI program without X
02:19 < triceratux> Evidlo: just use the current xubuntu lts & boot it into runlevel 3. that way you know youve got everything & ignoring x11 isnt that much overhead
02:26 < aaro> Evidlo: any linux rescue disk will do that, grml just one of many
02:28 < Loshki> Back in the day, the knoppix live CD let you boot off the CD and then take it out and use it to download and burn other isos. That saved my ass at least once.
02:29 < yuken> Loshki, most liveCDs that load FS into RAM would do that.
02:30 < searedvandal> back in the day, when my router os fit on a 1.44mb floppy
02:31 < phogg> back in the day there was the QNX floppy disk http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html
02:32 < searedvandal> that looks pretty sweet
02:33 < phogg> searedvandal: it was amazingly good at the time, still fairly impressive today.
02:33 < bls> it was an awesome demo for the time, when windows was slow and crashed constantly and the linux UI was still in its infancy
02:34 < phogg> searedvandal: there are more recent things e.g.http://menuetos.net/ which still has an all-floppy version
02:34 < searedvandal> only floppy os I used was floppyfw and that didn't have a fancy UI
02:35 < searedvandal> but it had a lot of features still for a floppy
02:35 < phogg> I remember playing towers of hanoi on that qnx floppy, and later on their 600 meg version you could bootstrap from DOS
02:35 < bls> used to use tomsrbt all the time before systemrescuecd and others were a thing
02:35 < anonnumberanon> Most minimal computer to be used as a driver to my 1080p TV?
02:36 < phogg> anonnumberanon: if it has a h264 decoder chip you can use almost any CPU
02:36 < bls> anonnumberanon: raspberry pi or knock off? intel NUC?
02:36 < searedvandal> I've played back 1080p content on my old core2duo rig without any issues
02:36 < searedvandal> rpi should do fine as well
02:37 < searedvandal> my knock off pi, not so much
02:37 < bls> amazing how well it works with the right driver and video player
02:38 < anonnumberanon> thanks guys
02:39 < anonnumberanon> yeah so maybe a raspberry pi, i just want a high quality thing to drive my tv well through HDMI and some light browsing but very light
02:41 < bls> pi can handle the video, it'll be a bit sluggish at the browsing though unless someone's figured out how to get HW accel working with chromium or FF
02:42 < searedvandal> have a couple of friends that are very happy with the odroid xu4 as well
02:42 < searedvandal> a bit more powerful than the rpi
02:45 < Dagmar> The Pi3 works almost alarmingly well as a media playback unit
02:49 < ryouma> is systemrescuecd good still?
02:49 < Dagmar> Yes
02:49 < ryouma> i think it is not signed :(
02:49 < ryouma> dunno if it is good at accessibility
02:50 < bls> it's a livecd, other than checksumming the iso, not much to be done
02:54 < takeme> how can i know program is installed or not?
02:55 < Psi-Jack> takeme: Check your installed packages.
02:55 < takeme> how?
02:55 < takeme> Psi-Jack: ?
02:55 < Psi-Jack> What distro?
02:55 < takeme> ubuntu
02:55 < Psi-Jack> dpkg -l
02:56 < takeme> too many
02:56 < takeme> :(
02:56 < Pentode> dpkg -l | grep packagename
02:57 < strive> dpkg -s
02:57 < strive> Status if package is installed or not.
02:58 < takeme> there is way to use apt-get ?
02:58 < Pentode> can be a pain if you dont know the exact package name tho
02:58 < Psi-Jack> dpkg --help || man dpkg
02:58 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: "though"
02:58 < Pentode> dpkg and grep isn't good enough?
02:59 < Psi-Jack> Depends on what he /really/ wants. :)
02:59 < Pentode> Psi-Jack, don't get me started. I'll start talking in ebonics.
02:59 < Pentode> ;p
02:59 < Psi-Jack> Don't let the door kick you on the way out? :)
02:59 < Pentode> Psi-Jack, guess that's the mystery ;o
02:59 < Pentode> pfft your not that kinda guy
03:00 < takeme> there is way to use apt-get  instead of dpkg?
03:00 < Pentode> sorry, you're.
03:00 < Psi-Jack> takeme: apt-get is a repository manager, not a package manager.
03:01  * Pentode straightens his beret
03:01 < xoxo> anyone know how i can open a .ymp file in terminal
03:01 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: vim
03:01 < xoxo> i meant to run it
03:01 < xoxo> and install my software
03:01 < Psi-Jack> You don't "run" it, but #suse would know.
03:01 < xoxo> noone answering there...
03:01 < Pentode> takeme, in other words apt-get is "using" dpkg.
03:01 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: Partially.
03:02 < Dagmar> They're fed to YaST
03:02 < Loshki> xoxo: something about a YasT meta package, check your yast docs
03:02 < xoxo> hmm ill skip this for a more direct question: whats the easiest to instlal session manager for KDE ?
03:03 < Dagmar> KDE.
03:03 < Pentode> takeme, what exactly is it that you are trying to do? you've been given every option short of manually probing the package database...
03:03 < ryouma> probably kdm gets installed auytomatically or so
03:03 < takeme> thanks
03:03 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: sddm?
03:03 < Psi-Jack> That's a ...
03:03 < xoxo> Dagmar: I tried this zypper install -t pattern kde kde_plasma
03:03 < Psi-Jack> Nevermind then..
03:03 < Dagmar> KDE has it's own session manager the last time I looked
03:03 < Penguin> Dagmar: "its"
03:03 < Psi-Jack> Err, wait.
03:03 < xoxo> Dagmar: But I don't know how to run it? theres no "logout to session" like the doc says there is
03:04 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: How did you start X?
03:04 < rascul> xoxo how are you starting kde?
03:04 < xoxo> i didnt startx - No startx installed
03:04 < xoxo> rascul: im in terminal
03:04 < xoxo> rascul: and like i siad, i ran that zypper command
03:05 < Evidlo> doesn't qemu have any good frontends?
03:05 < rascul> in a gui terminal? or the virtual console?
03:05 < Evidlo> aqemu is the only recently updated one, but networking is  broken
03:05 < Dagmar> xoxo: Generally it's assumed you're using the graphical login manager, not trying to start X and KDE from the text console
03:05 < Psi-Jack> Evidlo: define "good"
03:06 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: terminal, or console?
03:06 < Psi-Jack> Yes, there's a difference. :)
03:06 < xoxo> https://snag.gy/5p9GCl.jpg
03:06 < Evidlo> good means I can create and boot a VM and networking works
03:06 < xoxo> that thing
03:06 < Psi-Jack> Evidlo: libvirtd
03:06 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: So an x-terminal.
03:06 < xoxo> :)
03:07 < Psi-Jack> Wait.
03:07 < Psi-Jack> Is that WSL?
03:07 < Dagmar> Looks like he's running Windows to me
03:07 < xoxo> this is openSuse leap 42
03:07 < xoxo> it runs on windows
03:07 < Psi-Jack> That's WSL which is not supported here.
03:07 < xoxo> where is that supported
03:07 < Dagmar> By the way, you should exit vim with ":q!
03:07 < Dagmar> "
03:07 < Psi-Jack> ##windows-wsl maybe?
03:08 < Dagmar> Not with ctl-Z or ctl-C or whatever you used
03:08 < Psi-Jack> There's 0% linux in WSL.
03:08 < xoxo> =/
03:08 < xoxo> isnt it vaguely similar
03:08 < Dagmar> The way you're doing leaves it "stopped" but it does not actually _exit_
03:08 < xoxo> to a point which u can tell me how to instlal startx then type it
03:08 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: No.
03:08 < Pentode> whats that giant burgundy thing on the left side?
03:08 < Psi-Jack> xoxo: "you" not "u"
03:08 < Dagmar> Pentode: That's the Windows desktop
03:08 < Pentode> oh
03:08 < Psi-Jack> heh
03:08 < Pentode> ;)
03:08 < Dagmar> xoxo: You are essentially stuck with a text console doing that with WSL as far as I know
03:09 < Dagmar> Install VirtualBox, then install OpenSUSE Leap into a VM in *that* and you can run X
03:10 < Pentode> man windows doesn't look any better as it progresses does it
03:10 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: Nope.
03:11 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: In fact, I think it's taken a downgrade in the look factor, 10 times over and then some.
03:12 < Pentode> seriously. 3x was meh whatever. i really liked the 95 desktop they stole from os/2. xp/seven were ok if you disabled the weird absurdly gaudy themed interface. windows 8 looks ludicrous and well. you know.
03:12 < Psi-Jack> Heck, OS/2 looked better than Windows 95.
03:13 < Pentode> in fact to this day my xfce desktop basically looks like windows95
03:13 < bls> they all just bleed together to me
03:13 < Pentode> minus the window decorations
03:13 < Psi-Jack> Was just a bit confusing for how it worked in terms of the file management UI interfacing.
03:13 < bls> title bar here, menu buttons here, padding here, scrollbar here
03:14 < Pentode> yeah i guess they are all functionally the same.
03:15 < bls> last radical change they tried was with that startmenuless 8 that they had to back down on
03:16 < Psi-Jack> Man.. Now that I'm running Fedora in a VM, watching the CPU utilization of it versus other distributions, I'm seeing that Fedora just crunches hard on the CPU more so than Debian and even CentOS 7.
03:16 < bls> although I haven't touched a 10 system yet
03:16 < Pentode> yeah i had the displeasure of using it a few times and it really made me question their sanity on that one.
03:16 < Dagmar> Fedora's goal is to be a fancy desktop
03:16 < Dagmar> Debian and Cent are basically just there to get you enough to bog down the CPU on your own
03:16 < xamithan> fedora server isn't a fancy desktop
03:17 < bls> yeah, I see fedora as a "turn everything on a once" to see whay can and can't handle going into RHEL
03:17 < Dagmar> ...without being as "OMG where is the rest of it???" as RHEL Desktop
03:17 < Dagmar> Messing with RHEL 6 Desktop I acutally installed it twice because once I got to the desktop I thought I'd somehow selected a minimalist option
03:18 < bls> well having to pick stable configurations of gnome at that time....
03:18 < xamithan> Not used to gnome2? hehe
03:18 < Dagmar> It went _way_ beyond that
03:18 < Dagmar> Most of the GNOME apps weren't there, and neither were the KDE ones
03:18 < Dagmar> Inkscape?  Nowhere to be found
03:19 < Pentode> i can't stand the way gnome has gone, either. :|
03:19 < rascul> gnome doesn't even have a reason to exist anymore
03:19 < rascul> qt has been free for many years
03:19 < Dagmar> My best guess at the time was that it was meant as a template for admins to _start_ to build a user's desktop with
03:19 < Pentode> i know it's gtk3, too. but i really hate hamburger menus and menubars that are stuck on the top of the desktop. o_O
03:19 < bls> yeah, but RHEL doesn't have any control over Qt
03:19 < xamithan> Not have a reason to exist?  it is still the most commonly used desktop
03:20 < Psi-Jack> bls: You mean RH.
03:20 < Dagmar> Oh geez guys, Linux doesn't need to exist anymore because people can codge free copies of Windows
03:20 < bls> yeah, the company, not the literal distro
03:20 < Pentode> lol
03:20 < Psi-Jack> heh
03:20 < rascul> xamithan gnome came into existence because qt wasn't free so an alternative to kde was needed, then qt was freed, thus removing gnome's reason to exist
03:20 < xamithan> It can't gain new reasons?
03:21 < searedvandal> gtk > qt
03:21 < rascul> of course not
03:21 < bls> it could, if they'd rewrite gnome in Qt
03:21 < Dagmar> That the Qt build process was a bloody nightmare was plenty enough reason
03:21 < Dagmar> Between the two I'd code for GTK over Qt any day
03:22 < bls> really? I despised their weird "lets bolt OO on top of C" interfaces
03:22 < Pentode> couldn't get into Qt. I've been avoiding GTK3 and using GTK2, also. And i've been shunned and called nuts.
03:22  * Pentode shrugs 
03:22 < Dagmar> It's kind of hard to escape OO when it comes to reuseable UI components
03:22 < bls> right, which is why Qt is in C++
03:22 < Dagmar> OO doesn't require a specific language
03:23 < bls> no playing around with macros to perform ad-hoc type validation on void pointers
03:23 < rascul> i much preferred qt to gtk back when i did gui stuff, it was blissful
03:24 < Loshki> I don't recall. When did we last have a shunning?
03:24 < xamithan> Didn't we all shun windows?
03:24 < Pentode> Loshki, last week. i was buried up to my head and had theme engines thrown at me.
03:25 < Loshki> Pentode: so, just for argument's sake, how much does a thing like that cost to arrange?
03:26 < Pentode> all it requires is an angry mob, really.
03:26 < Loshki> Sigh. mob rates. I'll never be able to afford those.
03:28 < phinxy> Does a dtb need to be updated together with a re-compilation & re-installation of the kernel? I've only enabled two modules, can they add changes to the rk3328-rock64.dtb?  What about the syslinux initrd.img?
03:41 < TECFALL> I just replaced a linux box that was running bind. I have just installed and configured bind with the same settings from the previous box but i have a forward zone that isn't returning responses (lmtl.local) However another forward zone using the same forwarder works just fine. Here is my named.comf https://pastebin.com/s4mLdBmC
03:42 < TECFALL> Any help is appreciated.
03:42 < rascul> TECFALL you might try #bind
03:42 < matsaman> TECFALL: replaced? Did you copy over the old system to the new?
03:45 < TECFALL> matsaman: no, rebuilt from scratch
03:45  * Pentode sighs
03:45 < matsaman> but why =/
03:45 < matsaman> what's wrong with your old build
03:45 < TECFALL> just used some of the same configs as reference
03:45 < Pentode> now specular highlighting isn't even working
03:45 < TECFALL> matsaman: old hardware
03:46 < TECFALL> just doing some upgrades
03:46 < matsaman> doesn't mean your software is old
03:46 < matsaman> decent chance you can just copy the old system onto the new
03:46 < TECFALL> matsaman: the configs are identical
03:47 < matsaman> that's pretty unlikely
03:47 < matsaman> but if it's true then the only explanation would be a lack of hardware support
03:52 < Dagmar> This config is just going to forward _all_ the queries to Google's DNS servers as I understand it
03:53 < bls> they need the traffic
03:53 < Dagmar> ...and those two zones are going to be forwarding their queries to wherever 192.168.100.114 is
03:53 < Dagmar> That would be the server to look into
03:53 < Dagmar> Once you turn on a forwarding directive, BIND basically stops caching for whatever that scope is
03:54 < Dagmar> Also... _open resolvers are bad_ m'kay
03:55 < Dagmar> "allow-query     { any; };" <-- does exactly what it says on the tin, which means you shouldn't have this on a public IP address unless you like participating in DDoS attacks and fielding angry emails from anti-spam groups
03:55 < Dagmar> It's actually mentioned in the copy-pasted comments
03:56 < Dagmar> TECFALL: Probably what you are apparnetly *trying* to do would be to set those zones to think the other 192.168.x.x server is the master for the zones, and that it is the slave
03:57 < Dagmar> TECFALL: This will facilitate the server caching the queries instead of forwarding them all, and when you push an updated zone in that other server, it'll send a NOTIFY down to this server so that it gets the new zone data almost immediately
03:57 < Dagmar> (yes, DNS can be maddening sometimes)
04:01 < Dagmar>  Also... this zone name... "rev.db.troubleschuett.lan"  I love it
04:02 < Dagmar> If you ever come back to this window and holler (and I'm still paying attention) I'll walk you through setting up ACLs instead of you having to specify IPs every bloody place
04:06 < xjkx> I added opera ppa, but it is giving me errors in apt, I dont want to lose the software, but I need to remove the ppa from apt, I found command "add-apt-repository --remove" but I dont know the ppa name, it's not just opera
04:07 < Toadisattva> maybe you can find and remove it via synaptic?
04:08 < xjkx> I dont have it, you sure I need to get it?
04:08 < bls> or look in /etc/apt.repo.d/ or similar
04:08 < bls> likely just a file in some /etc/apt* dir that you can remove
04:09 < Dagmar> Yeah if you grep -R in there for "opera" it'll probably shorten your search
04:09 < Dagmar> Well, -Ri
04:10 < xjkx> I found the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/opera-stable.list t and then the file has: "deb https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable/ stable non-free #Opera Browser (final releases)" is it opera-stable the ppa name?
04:11 < Dagmar> Probably so
04:11 < Pentode> fine i give up. :/
04:12 < z3t0> Hi all, I have been dealing with full system lockups for about two weeks now and am really stuck
04:12 < z3t0> I need some way to debug or figure out what the issue is
04:12 < Dagmar> Has anything shown up in the system logs?
04:12 < z3t0> I have looked at forum threads, I have checked journalctl and dmesg
04:12 < z3t0> and nothing seems to show up that is out of the ordinary
04:12 < bls> tried running a kernel that will drop into a network debugger on panic?
04:12 < Dagmar> Have you _specifically_ looked at the last few lines before it's obviously logging that it's in the process of booting up?
04:13 < Dagmar> Heck, pick one of those places and pastebin us the last 20 lines before it is clearly booting up
04:13 < z3t0> do you mean on the next boot
04:13 < z3t0> or the crash from the previous boot
04:13 < Dagmar> ...and is the thing's console in a graphical or a text mode when this happens?
04:13 < Dagmar> I mean the last few messages it left in the logs before it died
04:13 < z3t0> bls: I did not know that was a thing.. I will take a look
04:14 < z3t0> This is in graphical
04:14 < z3t0> One other thing I have noticed is that if I am playing any audio
04:14 < z3t0> the audio loops at the point of the crash
04:14 < Dagmar> When it does this, does the NUMLOCK key make the light go off and on anymore?
04:14 < z3t0> I only have a capslock, and no the light does not turn on or off
04:14 < Dagmar> Yeah that's the audio card cycling through the last buffer it had
04:15 < Dagmar> Next question, how _often_ does it do this?
04:15 < z3t0> There are a bunch of messages about the firewall blocking things (ufw) but I can't tell if thats related
04:15 < Dagmar> LIke, if you leave it alone overnight will it reliably be dead in the morning?
04:15 < Dagmar> z3t0: If you're firewalling localhost it might be
04:16 < z3t0> I generally turn off my machine if I am not using it for more than a few hours
04:16 < Dagmar> UFW tends to lead people to doing stupid things sometimes
04:16 < z3t0> But usually it locks up around 2 to 3 hours in
04:16 < Dagmar> Basically, I'm looking to establish the periodicity of the crashign
04:16 < z3t0> I have had times where rebooting and using it for five minutes can cause it to lock agian
04:16 < z3t0> It's fairly random to be frank
04:16 < Dagmar> This is a laptop?
04:16 < z3t0> yes
04:16 < z3t0> I am thinking it might be powersaving?
04:16 < Dagmar> Not from that last bit you said
04:17 < Dagmar> They don't do that when you're using them
04:17 < z3t0> it's definitely not a heating issue as I have noticed all of the temperatures to be consistently safe
04:17 < ljc> so i've been using ubuntu server last few years but i was wondering if there was any other equivalent sort of distros around. what i like: xmonad, easy install, bare minimal install, good packages+package system, non-restrictive/non-security
04:17 < z3t0> ljc: centos?
04:17 < Dagmar> z3t0: It could be failing hardware.  The obvious "easy mode" test is to go get a bootable image that runs memtest86 and leave that going overnight
04:17 < Dagmar> If it's hard locked by morning, you can safely assume the hardware is dying
04:18 < ljc> yeah i've used centos but it doesn't have some packages i need
04:18 < ljc> that could've changed though, i'll check it again
04:18 < Dagmar> If it's reporting errors but still testing in the morning, then you have failing RAM
04:18 < bls> which is why you add on the EPEL and SCL
04:18 < bls> they'll have the packages you want that aren't considered stable enough to be part of the core
04:18 < Dagmar> EPEL for Cent is like having jumper cables in the car
04:18 < Dagmar> Not doing so will eventually leave you stuck
04:19 < ljc> ah ok
04:19 < z3t0> Dagmar: I am quite confident its a software not hardware issue as this only occurs when running my linux setup
04:19 < Dagmar> z3t0: Okay, so what distro are you running?
04:19 < z3t0> I'll look at memtest thanks
04:19 < z3t0> Arch linux
04:19 < bls> 99% of the time, it's a video driver issue
04:20 < Dagmar> Roll some stuff back then
04:20 < Dagmar> This is Why We Hate Arch
04:20 < Dagmar> If you can guess what kernel and video drivers you were running two months ago before this started, roll back to those versions
04:20 < z3t0> Unforunately it's a new install
04:20 < z3t0> I had macOS in the past
04:21 < Dagmar> Okay so that's something
04:21 < bls> hehe heard someone quote something the other night that'd been said that pissed off some arch users "you guys have a version number fetish"
04:21 < Dagmar> ...and no sense of revision control, whatsoever.
04:21 < z3t0> I am also using a lvm dmcrypt setup if that is relevant
04:22 < z3t0> I kind of just wish I could find some way to find a log of the crash
04:22 < Dagmar> A purely binary analysis would be to run an Ubuntu Live environemtn for a day or so and see if it crashes out too
04:22 < z3t0> it seems journalctl logs end about 2 minutes before the actual crash
04:22 < Dagmar> z3t0: See, that's the FUN thing about hard lockups caused by kernel panics.  You don't get sh*t in the logs.
04:22 < Dagmar> There'll be stuff on the _text_ console
04:22 < Dagmar> ...which you may or may not be able to scroll up to see more of.
04:23 < Dagmar> _Usually_ there's a hint or two that's just enough to go on about whether it was some crazy ASPM stuff or the Intel/nVidia driver stuff acting up
04:23 < Dagmar> I have learned to really hate those hybrid GPUs
04:23 < z3t0> Is it possible to run memtest from within my current OS?
04:23 < Dagmar> They are terribly sensitive to having the two halves using code that's slightly out of sync
04:23 < bls> which is why you can/used to be able to run a kernel that would drop into a debugger and open a telnet port in these situations, so you could at least get a backtrace if the video crapped its pants and the display was useless
04:23 < Dagmar> z3t0: Uh no.
04:24 < z3t0> I am concerned that the CPU might overheat if i run the memtest live cd as im not sure if the fans would spin up
04:24 < Dagmar> z3t0: For one it requires pretty exclusive access to the hardware in order to be able to test the RAM
04:24 < z3t0> ah okay
04:24 < Dagmar> z3t0: No one makes laptops that don't have the fans controlled directly by the hardware anymore
04:24 < Dagmar> Something to do with all the RMAs.  ;)
04:24 < z3t0> Ahh okay perfect
04:24 < Dagmar> For the other, it's not a heavy CPU load
04:24 < z3t0> I'll let it run tonight and hopefully I have some results tomorrow morning
04:24 < Dagmar> It's just writing stuff to blocks of memory and then checking to make sure it comes back the same way
04:25 < Dagmar> If you're a brave soul a little compresssed air (or a tiny vacuum) might be in order
04:25 < Dagmar> The fiance got me a little tiny vacuum that looks about like a marital aid last year for Christmas
04:26 < Dagmar> I think it cost her $15
04:26 < Dagmar> I very much use that thing to clean out heat sinks
04:27 < Dagmar> ...but if the thing is not crashing in Windows and IS crashing running Arch, it's probably either the kernel you're using or the video drivers screwing up
04:27 < Dagmar> *Usually* it's the video driver
04:27 < z3t0> hmm ok
04:28 < z3t0> I'll go do some investigating then
04:28 < Dagmar> The boy has an ASUS ROG laptop, and that damn thing requires the nVidia driver from ASUS and nothing newer, otherwise, a few times an hour "*BLOOP* VIDEO_INTERNAL_SCHEDULER_ERROR *I*DED*"
04:28 < Dagmar> ...just because the bloody Intel driver and the nVidia driver have to be (euphemistically speaking) on the _exact_ same page
04:29 < Dagmar> It's super fun to have to go scrub out every freakin' video driver and reinstall those if/when he makes the terrible mistake of letting nVidia's applet tell him it's time for an upgrade
04:30 < Dagmar> The other way I can think of to binary-test the GPU drivers would be to simply boot the thing to the text console _only_ and leave it like that for enough hours to be sure it's not going to crash again
04:30 < Dagmar> ...although in that mode you'll likely see the kernel panic message
04:30 < Dagmar> So that's sort of handy
04:31 < Pentode> lovely isn't it
04:32 < Pentode> ive been trying to debug these intel graphics issues for a year now and at this point i just give up.
04:32 < Dagmar> It makes me _really_ appreciate headless VMs
04:32 < Dagmar> If something goes wrong with them that looks like a hardware problem, I go smack the VM admin over the head with something heavy until they unset whatever they just enabled
04:32 < Pentode> lol
04:33 < Dagmar> Sometimes it's the SAN admins
04:33 < Pentode> smack 'em into the previous day.
04:33 < Dagmar> Often it's the "system architect" who decided it was a good idea to enable compressed RAM on a high-load MySQL server, or to just reduce the RAM to 4Gb
04:33 < Dagmar> I am not a nice guy when I have to say things like "Why did you not file a change management announcement for this?"
04:34 < Pentode> oh god i'd be bitter. did that actually happen?
04:34 < Dagmar> YES
04:34 < Pentode> o_O
04:34 < bls> hehe, work your way into a godfather-esque change control board of one
04:35 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: Yes it did, my son.
04:35 < Dagmar> The dude had about five years experience, absolutely none of it at this level, and he _kept_ making unannounced config changes to LOB stuff
04:35 < Dagmar> ...and then blaming the problems on the two actual admins.
04:35 < Pentode> sometimes im glad computing is just a hobby and i repair crappy electronics for a living..
04:36 < Dagmar> I really should have just done the BOFH thing and loosened some raised flooring around the power boxes, but I'm a sucker when someone is personally nice
04:36 < Pentode> it has it's days though
04:37 < Dagmar> Cuz seriously, watching a box that has dual-redundant 10g fiber and gobbles up 25,000-35,000 queries a minute go to _8,000_ and struggle at high load...
04:37 < Dagmar> This is not funny
04:37 < Dagmar> Wait no, sorry, not minute, _second_
04:37 < Dagmar> That was the SAN issue caused by idiot MSSQL admins on the same host
04:37 < Pentode> huge difference
04:37 < Dagmar> ...but the compressed RAM thing dropped the performance of hte server by _half_
04:38 < Pentode> what would even motivate such a thing? i mean, why?
04:38 < Dagmar> Someone trying to score brownie points by OMGoptimizing the ESX host without actually understanding a damn thing about how things _work_
04:38 < bls> you can overcommit X2!
04:39 < Dagmar> I mean, compression is light work and all, but for a server that's repeatedly reading through tables that are nearly a gigglebyte in size... Holy crap no
04:39 < Dagmar> That's just _not_ going to work out well
04:39 < Psi-Jack> bls: X-Com 2? Yes, easily! Spend days, weeks, even months on that game. :)
04:39 < bls> but thankfully I don't have to deal with that at work, mainly just see it from the hobbyists in here trying to optimize the meaningless
04:40 < Pentode> yeah it's common sense really. you don't even have to really know how it works to realize that's going to turn out bad.
04:40 < Dagmar> I asked the other admin if he'd turned on compressed RAM for the server, and well, clearly that wasn't the case because he acted like I'd asked if his mother was still working the docks
04:40 < Dagmar> If it had been some standalone wordpress thing, it would have been no big deal
04:40 < Pentode> haha
04:41 < Dagmar> the MSSQL admins were doing some database optimization thing, combined with the fact that their stuff wasn't _sector aligned_ properly, generating approximately one jillion IOPS to the SAN and saturating the fabric
04:42 < Dagmar> Our virtual disks which before were quite happily chugging along at 200Mb/s suddenly began behaving like 5200RPM drives using PIO from 1996.
04:42 < Dagmar> Seriously.  16-48Mb/s and stuff
04:42 < Dagmar> Massive amounts of IO wait, like the IRQ controller was failing, because someone else was sitting on their hands not monitoring whether the ESX host was configured correctly
04:43 < Dagmar> But it's all better now because the place I'm about to start at will involve much less reindeer nonsense and nearly twice the pay
04:44 < bls> amazing how well jumping ship works
04:44 < Pentode> sometimes ;)
04:44 < Dagmar> I was stupid
04:44 < dannylee> i'm allways stupid
04:44 < Dagmar> I should have left there in a ball of obscene language almost two years before I did
04:44 < Pentode> i hate it when jumping ship seems like a great idea then the other boat sinks...
04:45 < Dagmar> The only reason I stayed is becuase I genuinely *enjoyed* solving the bizarre and hairy problems the students and faculty created
04:46 < fedorauser123952> anyone have any vpn recommendations?
04:46 < Psi-Jack> OpenVPN
04:46 < fedorauser123952> o yah?
04:46 < Dagmar> Your wordpress instance was compromised and now you're sending mortgage spams to Spain?  Not my job but whatevs.  Gimme three hours and I'll have everything clean and dandy again
04:46 < drbeavi5> PIA has some sort of humble bundle thing going on, a year for 15$ or something
04:46 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: Standard English, please.
04:46 < drbeavi5> never tried it though
04:47 < strixdio> how would I connect to a switch console port with a rollover cable connected to my ethernet port?
04:47 < chris349> How can I tell if a running system is setup to boot by UEFI instead of BIOS?
04:47 < Dagmar> strixdio: By sticking another computer in between them
04:47 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, you use it?
04:47 < strixdio> Dagmar: huh?
04:47 < Dagmar> Preferably one that actually has a serial port
04:47 < strixdio> ah, so I can't just use eth port for it?
04:47 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: Yep. OpenVPN bridges my networks between home<->vultr, home<->aws, and aws<->vultr.
04:48 < Dagmar> Connect ethernet to a rj45 serial port?
04:48 < Dagmar> Noooo...
04:48 < Pentode> chris349, enter the machines BIOS setup and see if uefi is set?
04:48 < bls> strixdio: the pin-outs on the two port types are completely incompatible
04:48 < Dagmar> There was a time when such a thing would produce FIRE
04:48 < strixdio> bls: okay, thanks.
04:48 < Dagmar> They're totally different technologies
04:48 < strixdio> okay I thought so.
04:48 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, i mean like a vpn service so my isp doesnt yell at me for torrenting
04:48 < Dagmar> Get on ebay or alibaba or something and buy a USB serial dongle that works with Linux
04:48 < strixdio> I didn't see how it would/could work, but, worth asking.
04:48 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: Well, then. You're asking the wrong question, and doing the wrong things, obviously illegal things which you should stop.
04:49 < Dagmar> ..._then_ you can make a nullmodem cable and start going to town on those console ports
04:49 < chris349> Pentode, Is there some other way? Its a virtul machine and when I clone it to another host it doesnt boot. I try 2x with different methods
04:49 < bls> fedorauser123952: this channel is more for software setup questions, we don't recommend services because it tends to lead to annoying advertising and shills
04:49 < strixdio> thanks Dagmar and bls :)
04:49 < Dagmar> USB serial dongles are generally like $9-15, but I'd skip the $9 ones
04:50 < strixdio> I thought I had one or two of those.
04:50 < strixdio> I'll have to see if I can find them.
04:50 < Dagmar> The $9 ones tend to sort of ignore CTS/RTS and CD
04:50 < Dagmar> The decent ones may be some form of translucent baby blue that doesn't look like anything a responsible engineer would touch, but they are precious
04:51 < fedorauser123952> drbeavi5, you use pia?
04:51 < Dagmar> I used to have one that I swear looked like it came out of a fifty-cent machine at the grovery store
04:52 < strixdio> lol!
04:53 < Pentode> chris349, not sure. he only other way i know would be to run efibootmgr and see what it says. but it doesn't boot, so..
04:53 < Dagmar> My first thought was "if i get this wet, it will melt"
04:53 < Pentode> +t
04:53  * strixdio sighs
04:53 < strixdio> why does windows have to constantly use my C: drive 100% of the time?
04:53 < Dagmar> Every so often we'd just order three more from various vendors on Amazon
04:53 < strixdio> "system" mmhmmm
04:53 < Psi-Jack> strixdio: Ask ##windows. :p
04:53 < Dagmar> Three because one would invariably be of the "unusable crap" type
04:54 < Pentode> chris349, if you booted _anything_ however, the kernel would report whether it detects EFI. you could check it via dmesg
04:54 < strixdio> haha, I'm not actually asking, Psi-Jack, more complaining among like-minded people :
04:54 < bls> were those the "cisco cables that used an RJ-25 to DB-9?
04:54 < strixdio> :) *
04:54 < Psi-Jack> Like-minded?
04:54 < Dagmar> strixdio: Because it has to constantly scrutinize all your binary files to make sure there's no updates, and that they're all indexed properly, oh and that they're not spontaneously generating malware
04:54 < drbeavi5> @fedorauser123952 - i dont. i did set up a algo VPN on my own machine for a while, its free but a bit slow depending on your routers speed :P
04:54 < strixdio> linuxy people
04:54 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: You can stop now.
04:54 < Dagmar> bls: There were a number of Cisco units that used a DB25 connector, as did a lot of Sun boxes
04:55 < Dagmar> I had a small bag full of various adapters, connectors, gender changers, and cables
04:55 < strixdio> gah, I don't want to go digging through my bins. The one I need to get to is at the bottom :(
04:55 < strixdio> was hoping I could make a rollover cable and be done with it, lol.
04:55  * strixdio shrugs
04:55 < Dagmar> Most of them now have finally settled for a completely sane and reasonable RJ45 serial port
04:56 < bls> never touched any of the Sun kit that used it, but remember the baby blue ribbons being in the kit of all the neteng guys only
04:56 < Dagmar> Yeah because they'd be a freakin pin-flip cable
04:56 < strixdio> I think that's what I have is the baby blue one.
04:56 < Dagmar> ...which otherwise would be a completely insane thing to have around
04:56 < Dagmar> Pin 1 to 8, pin 2 to 7, and so on
04:56 < strixdio> I /know/ I have like 10 of them at my parents house. Here? Nope, haven't had a managed switch until now.
04:57 < Dagmar> I just used crimping tools and a dymo labeler
04:58 < Dagmar> strixdio: Get one of those small tupperware boxes with the latching tops, put _one_ of each type of thing in it, and a label on the top that says "I WILL CUT YOU."
04:58 < strixdio> LOL
04:58 < chris349> So if efibootmgr says BootCurrent: 0005 / Boot0000* EFI Virtual disk (0.0) / Boot0005* CentOS Its booting with UEFI?
04:59 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, stop what?
04:59 < bls> I used to be that way about my crossover cables
04:59 < Dagmar> If efibootmgr says much of anything you're using UEFI
04:59 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: The off-topic subject.
04:59 < Pentode> chris349, if it says anything other than _no_ its working with uefi
04:59 < strixdio> So, I have 4 "medium" plastic boxes (about 2ft by 4ft by 10in) filled with things.
04:59 < strixdio> Dagmar: ^
04:59 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, i dont see any off topic anything
04:59 < strixdio> "data", "audio/video", "power", and "misc"
04:59 < drbeavi5> im so glad i got my dual boot working on my UEFI system, took a while, glad i dont have to deal with this till next windows update
04:59 < Dagmar> bls: All of our cables were *yellow* because we'd buy 1000ft spools of cat6 four at a time
04:59 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: VPN service providers == off-topic.
04:59 < Dagmar> So... I labeled stuff.
05:00 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, where does it say that?
05:00 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: In the channel rules, actually.
05:00 < strixdio> fedorauser123952: if you're interested in VPN, try #security.
05:00 < Dagmar> God help you if you took one of my cables and expected me to rummage through a dozen almost identical yellow cables to try to scrutinize what color wires were stuffed into which hole through the clear plastic ends
05:00 < Pentode> Dagmar, i like the fine tipped sharpies for writing directly on cables.
05:00 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, where?
05:00 < Pentode> piece of clear tape makes sure it doesn't erase itself.
05:00 < strixdio> fedorauser123952: they're probably not going to like that you're using it for illegal stuff.
05:00 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: See /topic, URL.
05:01 < fedorauser123952> strixdio, torrenting linux distros is not illegal
05:01 < Dagmar> Pentode: Yeah but that wears off.  A plastic-coated Dymo label is likely to outlive someone's wedding ring
05:01  * strixdio shrugs
05:01 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: You don't use VPN's to "hide" your VPN traffic from your ISP for downloading linux distros. :p
05:01 < Pentode> those are always nice. im not rich. ;)
05:01 < strixdio> if that's what you're doing, ask in #security or #networking
05:01 < Psi-Jack> hide your torrent traffic, rather.
05:01 < strixdio> Psi-Jack: well, I think some ISPs are absolutely stupid here in the US.
05:01 < Dagmar> Well, it was a datacenter
05:02 < fedorauser123952> Psi-Jack, google it. they dont care what you torrent
05:02 < Pentode> comcast will actually send you a friggin notice just for using the protocol
05:02 < strixdio> I'm sure it's possible that some ISPs don't like torrents of any kind.
05:02 < Pentode> its pretty evil
05:02 < fedorauser123952> Pentode, exactly
05:02 < Dagmar> A heavy-duty dymo labeler is a small price to pay when you're trying to read something on a cable written by god only knows who the devil only knows when
05:02 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: No they won't. :p
05:02 < strixdio> idk, I swear I've heard stories.
05:02 < fedorauser123952> they sent me one
05:02 < Pentode> ive seen it myself
05:02 < Dagmar> I've not gotten any nastygrams from Comcast about just running BT
05:02 < bls> fine tip works on cat6, but not fibre
05:02 < fedorauser123952> Pentode, its lame
05:02 < Psi-Jack> fedorauser123952: Well, that's because you do it for "other" purposes. :p
05:03 < strixdio> fedorauser123952: anyway, you're probably better off in #networking or #security when talking about VPN
05:03 < Dagmar> Then again, they're probably looking at my file and deciding to just let it go
05:03 < Dagmar> They'll certainly smack non-buisness customers with notices if you torrent much of anything copyrighted during business hours
05:03 < drbeavi5> sign up with AWS, use Ubuntu to set up Algo vpn :P
05:03 < Psi-Jack> Exactly. :)
05:04 < strixdio> fedorauser123952: personally, I think PIA is fine. I'm not recommending it, I suggest you do research.
05:04 < Dagmar> Grabbing Raspbian, Fedora, and Slackware ISOs all in the same day, they've never said boo to me about
05:04 < Dagmar> ...plus there's all those WoW users during Update Season
05:04 < jeffree> is there a way to search packages by type? for example, to see all available window managers?
05:04 < strixdio> omg 20 minutes later my windows box stopped using 100% disk
05:04 < Dagmar> strixdio; that's normal
05:04 < drbeavi5> i actually started just torrenting without a vpn, google fiber is moving into town so just waiting on that heh
05:04 < Pentode> so the notices _only_ occur if it's copywrited material?
05:04 < strixdio> lmao
05:04 < Dagmar> Pentode: yeah
05:04 < strixdio> Dagmar: sadly I'm a windows sysadmin
05:05 < strixdio> Dagmar: so I know this.
05:05 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: Yes
05:05 < strixdio> I'm just venting.
05:05 < Dagmar> Pentode: I hear they've gotten pretty aggressive about NBC properties since the merger
05:05 < Pentode> sheesh
05:05 < Dagmar> strixdio: Just give it time to get to the state Windows 7 was in
05:05 < Pentode> thats actually scarier. they are actually probing the data itself.
05:05 < Dagmar> ...where it just _never stops_ looking for patches
05:05 < strixdio> Dagmar: sad thing is, I have GPOs set to disable the freakin' updates.
05:06 < Dagmar> Well it has to decide if a patch is needed before it can decide to not apply it.  ;)
05:06 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: A lot of ISPs are these days, or they get noticed from 3rd parties like NBC, Time Warner, publication companies, media companies, etc, whom those are watching and reporting.
05:06 < strixdio> lol
05:06 < NewbProgrammer10> lolol
05:06 < Psi-Jack> Pentode: Mostly it's actually coming from 3rd parties and the ISPs are just responding.
05:06 < Pentode> i see
05:06 < Pentode> nobody is safe these days, lol
05:06 < Dagmar> I mainly took the Win10 upgrade on my gaming box because from a clean install Win7 was taking multiple hours just to figure out anything that might need an update
05:07 < Psi-Jack> Your safe. Just don't pirate. Simple.
05:07 < Dagmar> ...and largely WOULD NOT UPDATE ANYTHING unless I primed the pump with about a gigglebyte of kb patches from a network share
05:07 < strixdio> hehe someone else that uses "gigglebyte"
05:08 < Dagmar> strixdio: We should have just thrown the liberal arts majors into the lake when they started on insisting on "gibibyte" for correctness in the 90's
05:08 < Dagmar> "gigglebyte" seems to enrage all pedants equally, without failing to communicate an approximate size.  :)
05:09 < strixdio> Dagmar: ugh, gig vs gib, can't stand it.
05:09 < Dagmar> It's especially useful for gigglebits of eefernets
05:09 < strixdio> really screws with me when the same storage space looks different on two different systems
05:10 < Dagmar> Totally heads off any silly questions about "Why isn't it actually sending 1000 kibibytes of my data a second?"
05:10 < dannylee> ok i just dont like some of there updates...but if my computer works ok..i just dont need any of there updates...but my machine is about 8 years old..but my software is openSUSE tumbleweed..it works just find
05:10 < Dagmar> dannylee: Well, if you have almost all the network-communicating services turned off, it's actually probably "good enough"
05:11 < strixdio> anyone else ever have issues with ubuntu "just not working"?
05:11 < Dagmar> Not with the last two releases
05:11 < strixdio> like, fresh installs that have crashes, not just on one machine either
05:11 < Dagmar> 14-16 had the occasional kernel that didn't play well with ASPM on some AMD motherboards and would fail in very strange ways without kernel params
05:12 < dannylee> hackers might kill my machine...but not me
05:12 < Dagmar> This could be something similar
05:12 < strixdio> didn't have any AMD processors, so it wasn't that.
05:12 < dannylee> hackers might kill my machine...but not me..
05:12 < triceratux> https://forum.level1techs.com/t/comcast-said-i-am-bad-for-torrenting-linux-need-vpn/114970/9
05:12 < Dagmar> This particular type of problem isn't limited to _just_ AMD CPUs.  That was just an example
05:12 < dannylee> i really love openSUSE
05:12 < strixdio> Oh I see.
05:12 < strixdio> personally I can't say I "love" any distro, I think.
05:12 < Dagmar> ACPI/ASPM and the ways it works with PCI means from time to time they find stuff that does not actually work as well as expected on edge-case "prosumer" hardware
05:13 < dannylee> its a bit easy
05:13 < strixdio> I LIKE many, but, they all have their flaws.
05:13 < Dagmar> ...and then you have crashing kernels until someone notices the thing and sends a workaround/canary patch upstream
05:13  * strixdio shrugs
05:14 < Dagmar> Usually it's rooted in ACPI stuff
05:14 < Dagmar> ...since a motherboard will behave differently depending on what the OS claims to be
05:15 < dannylee> my root is kill proof..all  m ost
05:15 < takeme> find . -type f -exec grep "example" '{}' \; -print   <— why i need \?
05:15 < dannylee> only a fisical hack might kill me??
05:15 < AustinS> it tells it to stop that exec command
05:15 < Psi-Jack> dannylee: Stop
05:16 < Dagmar> They'll often present different capabilities when the OS tells them it's Windows Vista as opposed to Windows 95, despite that the proper response should probably just to flash "WHY ARE YOU STILL RUNNING THIS" on the screen in big letters for the latter case
05:16 < nchambers> takeme: because otherwise the shell interprets it as "end of command". \; tells the shell to pass ; to find, which find uses to end the exec
05:16 < bls> takeme: because find and your shell both consider ; to be a special character, so to keep your shell from using it as a command separator, you escape it so find gets it
05:16 < Dagmar> takeme: because otherwise, _bash_ will see the semicolon and think you mean the command should end right there
05:16 < Dagmar> You don't want bash to interpret that ;, so you escape it
05:17 < nchambers> also, you probably want a -q for that grep
05:18 < takeme> there is a ; then shell will terminate it?
05:18 < nchambers> yes
05:19 < Dagmar> Yes, but I'll go a step further and surmise that you should probably just use -R with grep and skip the find loop
05:19 < nchambers> echo ;
05:19 < Dagmar> grep on it's own will prefix the line of output with the filename it came from
05:19 < Penguin> Dagmar: "its"
05:19 < nchambers> echo \;
05:19 < Dagmar> Find won't care if you need to know where the match came from
05:19 < Dagmar> grep will also very handily ignore things that look like binary files
05:20 < takeme> ah thaks i understand it
05:22 < kerframil> it won't ignore apparent binary files unless passed --binary-files=without-match
05:23 < nchambers> depends on the grep
05:24 < hackinghorn> hi geeks
05:25 < hackinghorn> my PATH includes a directory X but I want to run a program in X/subdir/program. Do I just have to add X/subdir to PATH?
05:26 < bls> hackinghorn: yes
05:26 < hackinghorn> bls, how to get something similar to subdir/program work?
05:26 < hackinghorn> or just no way
05:27 < bls> there should be a way, but I'm not aware of it
05:27 < nchambers> depends on the shell hackinghorn
05:28 < bls> I've used it in rc, but haven't seen it in a bourne sheel
05:28 < hackinghorn> hmm I see, thanks
05:28 < nchambers> im pretty sure its possible in bash, but it involves a lot of ugly hooks
05:31 < kerframil> it would require the definition of a command_not_found_handled function that traverses PATH again to that end. I wouldn't recommend it.
05:31 < kerframil> oops, _handle
05:31  * [R] traverses kerframil 
05:32  * kerframil friendzones [R] with maximum haste
05:32 < [R]> lol
05:35 < dannylee> i all so have a fedora 27 machine...but i have lxde...ya ya i thinking about gnome or KDE
05:36 < dannylee> i have about 16 reinstall on my machine...one more just might kill iT
05:37 < bls> no way, it's an ox, it can handle 20 reinstall
05:37  * alexey-nemovff is impressed
05:38 < dannylee> i really love fedora...but suse is c00000l
05:38 < iar> i have a file called /tmp/a.tgz; now is there a shell script that does "if a.tgz file is there then ok else go and do a wget"
05:38 < iar> how do i put this a bash expression
05:39 < bls> iar: if [ -f /tmp/a.tgz ]; then ?what?; else wget ...; fi
05:39 < iar> thanks bls
05:39 < dannylee> i buy $150 machines..and i'm a happy camper
05:39 < dannylee> some are 10 years old
05:40 < bls> or if you don't care about ?what?, just: if [ ! -f /tmp/a.tgz ]; then wget -o /tmp/a.tgz http...; fi
05:41 < Psi-Jack> dannylee: Seriously. Just stop.
05:42  * alexey-nemovff is wondering why he should stop?
05:42 < bls> he says the same things over and over
05:43 < alexey-nemovff> really?
05:44 < dannylee> my Dell optiplex 580...i had for 5 years..and its still pumping smoke???/i have a bullet hole in the back of my head...who the fuck are you...
05:45 < alexey-nemovff> ?
05:49 < Henry151> hey guys, I'm trying to run bcc in a docker container following these directions: https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/QUICKSTART.md and I'm getting this "sys/kernel/debug does not exist" message you can see here: https://bpaste.net/show/c4257f043864 any ideas what I might be doing wrong?
05:50 < Henry151> I did it on a different VPS yesterday with no problem, this VPS is from another provider so I am imagining there is something different from the one setup to the other that is causing this problem
05:51 < bls> some providers lock down the kernels so you can't tweak your performance
05:51 < kerframil> Henry151: you can try `mount -t debugfs none /sys/kernel/debug`. not that I have any idea why docker would want it.
05:51 < bls> and removing debug as a backdoor would make sense
05:52 < Henry151> kerframil: thanks for the guidance
05:53 < Henry151> it gives me that same message, mount: mount point /sys/kernel/debug does not exist
05:54 < Henry151> so perhaps this provider won't give me kernel access, that could be the problem?
05:54 < Henry151> I really like some of the bcc stuff and wanted to get it set up on my different machines to monitor them in different ways
05:56 < kerframil> the provided kernel may not offer debugfs at all. I don't understand why it would be strictly necessary; perhaps you should ask #docker about that.
06:01 < iar> what does set -e option does
06:01 < Mistell> _yes_
06:02 < kerframil> !-e > iar
06:02 < kerframil> oh, thought I was in #bash
06:02 < Mistell> `man set`
06:02 < PowerPCMAC> So high
06:03 < Mistell> How high?
06:06 < PowerPCMAC> Really really high Mistell
06:09 < iar> how do i use setfacl to have write permissions an other users home directory
06:12 < maxcell_> steam is down?
06:17 < iar> I ahve a directory called /home/a/a1.. now i have to give the added the user b to the user a
06:18 < z3t0> hi I was here earlier trying to debug a complete system locking up
06:18 < iar> if i try to cd to /home/a/a1,i still get a permission denied error
06:18 < iar> how to solve this
06:18 < z3t0> I may have some more information now
06:18 < z3t0> https://pastebin.com/M5THYxhr
06:18 < z3t0> There's a pastebin with the bottom of the journalctl for the crash
06:18 < z3t0> One thing I noticed from there is something about applesmc write fail
06:19 < z3t0> I did some searching on that, and it appears to be related to the broadcom driver, but could not figure out much more afterwarsd
06:19 < ganondoobs> maxcell_ steam was having problems this morning as well
06:20 < z3t0> I'll try resetting the smc
06:25 < iar> I ahve a directory called /home/a/a1.. now i have the user b to the group a
06:25 < iar> but when i cd to /home/a from user b
06:26 < iar> i get a permission denied error
06:27 < mophed> iar: what are the perms and ownership on the directory?
06:27 < mophed> what groups are the users part of
06:27 < iar> ls -l /home/a is drwxrwx---; ls -ld /home/a is drwxrwxr-x
06:28 < [R]> iar: pastebin 'namei -l /home/a/a1' and the output of 'groups'
06:29 < mophed> i want to see it with the owner/grou
06:29 < mophed> iar: -rw------- 1 mophed mophed
06:29 < iar> [R]: https://paste.linux.community/view/f45939ed
06:30 < iar> mophed: what? i dotn understand
06:30 < iar> oh got it
06:30 < mophed> iar: that is owned as root:root
06:30 < [R]> ok, and what are you trying to do and what is failing?
06:30 < mophed> iar: you need to set the owner and group.
06:30 < iar> ls -l drwxrwx--- 4 a a; drwxrwxr-x 6 a a mophed
06:31 < [R]> your output means nothing
06:31 < [R]> use namei
06:31 < [R]> on the complet eand ull path
06:31 < mophed> iar: type whoami
06:31 < iar> [R]: i want to access and have write permission to /home/a
06:31 < [R]> pasting random nonthing from a random ls is useless
06:31 < iar> i am a user b
06:31 < [R]> and the output of roups
06:31 < [R]> groups*
06:32 < mophed> iar: okay. your user b. run sudo chown -R b:b /home/a
06:33 < iar> mophed: i dont want to change the owner
06:33 < mophed> okay
06:33 < mophed>  sudo chown -R root:b /home/a
06:33 < iar> can i change the add the user to that group
06:33 < iar> or use facl
06:33 < mophed> the user cannot be in the root group
06:33 < mophed> or should not be?
06:34 < iar> why not
06:34 < mophed> make a group and add all the users that need access to the folder to this group. then chown the folder to be owned by that same group
06:39 < Dagmar> Users should _never_ be in the root group
06:39 < Dagmar> "root" is *not* a user account
06:40 < [R]> you're not a user account
06:40 < Dagmar> Pfft
06:40 < mophed> [R]: your a shell
06:40 < victorsch> can we make a user named root?
06:41 < [R]> you can name a user whateer you want
06:41 < [R]> will you break your system? most likely
06:41 < victorsch> :)
06:41 < potatoe> is it possible to run out of file descriptors without any VFS errors logged in kmsg?
06:41 < [R]> file descriptors have nothing to do with vfs...
06:43 < bls> yeah, file descriptor limits are per process and per user...way above the VFS layer
06:43 < dnanib> victorsch: the word "root" has no special meaning generally. You can do -l toor root and still should be able to use the system just fine. But I can guarantee that there will be code there doing the equivalent of if (id -u == "root") then do stuff (instead of if (id -un == 0) then do stuff)
06:43 < dnanib> *you can do usermod -l toor root
06:44 < victorsch> sure would be confusing though
06:44 < victorsch> and a funny prank on unknowing friends
06:44 < Dagmar> The best part is the programmer who wrote that code will have a moment where they think, "What if the user renamed the root account?" and then they will laugh.  They will let loose peals of dark, cruel laughter.
06:44 < Dagmar> ...and then they will make sure that code does something really bad.
06:47 < victorsch> #darkprogramming
06:52 < maxcell_> hey guys, this udev rule https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv/blob/master/udev/50-ds4drv.rules aren't working on my Debian. Any ideas/ (this is a question mark"/")
06:53 < Psi-Jack> No / is not ?
06:53 < maxcell_> Trust me
06:53 < Psi-Jack> How to trust someone lying? :p
06:53 < maxcell_> ;((
06:54 < Psi-Jack> So, what's "not working" about this?
06:55 < maxcell_> when i try to run ds4drv (ps4 controller udev driver) it doesn't run, permission problems in /dev/uinput
06:56 < Psi-Jack> Well, uinput is covered just for existing.
06:56 < Psi-Jack> did you udevadm trigger?
06:56 < Psi-Jack> and/or reboot?
06:56 < potatoe> [R] according to https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt if i exceed file handles past what is in file-max, VFS will error
06:56 < maxcell_> yes, i reboot as well
06:56 < potatoe> and I know that this system exceeded it
06:56 < potatoe> but theres no error logs in kmsg that say so
06:56 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Okay, did you put this in the right directory?
06:57 < Dagmar> potatoe: Notice that there's a file you can read that tells you how many are open
06:57 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, i put it in /etc/udev/rules.d/ as 50-dsr4drv.rules
06:57 < Dagmar> Generally, if someone's doing something that will create a jillion file descriptors, they'll know it
06:57 < Dagmar> It's not something that "just happens"
06:57 < potatoe> Dagmar yes, and logs from that file says that I hit 65535
06:57 < Psi-Jack> Okay, That's correct.
06:57 < potatoe> but theres no errors at all in kmsg
06:57 < Dagmar> You might not be logging that facility
06:57 < potatoe> (65535 was the set limit)
06:58 < Psi-Jack> stat /dev/uinput
06:58 < potatoe> Dagmar is there a way to check?
06:58 < Dagmar> There's also the small problem of how anything is supposed to open a connection to syslog to tell it when all the fds are used up
06:58 < Dagmar> potatoe: Have a log file that gets *.*
06:58 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Only need the first Access line.
06:58 < Dagmar> Just only enable it when you're debugging, or have logwatch very aggressively cycle that
06:59 < potatoe> Dagmar thats an excellent point as well, I suppose the log was just log then
06:59 < GlenK> so on a lighter note.  anyone have any recommendations for some free games?  I suppose I could dig up plants vs. zombies from somewhere...
07:00 < GlenK> lord of the rings online hasn't been working for me under linux for a while...
07:00 < Dagmar> Dwarf Fortress
07:00 < GlenK> I'm on a laptop with that stupid optimus crap by the way, so yeah, that's all problematic
07:01 < GlenK> seems like I gave dwarf fortress a go once upon a time and wasn't in to it.  but maybe I need to give it another shot
07:01 < Dagmar> That's okay.  Dwarf Fortress only needs the ability to load custom character maps
07:02 < GlenK> ha, wonder if there's an irc D&D thing that goes on somewheres.  that would be cool
07:04 < Dagmar> Probably on Dalnet somewhere
07:04 < GlenK> haha, crap.  maybe I should stop with this whole line of thought, as this is maybe supposed to be a support channel
07:04 < GlenK> dalnet, man, been years.  I thought that thing closed up.  least seems like last I tried dalnet it wasn't working for me at all
07:06 < Dagmar> Would their users have been able to tell?
07:06 < GlenK> there's that university of toronto or something poker bot thingy.  but man...that thing murders me every time.  I suppose I should do that as maybe I'll eventually stop getting murdered
07:08 < GlenK> I'd love to see their code
07:08 < Dagmar> It does math.
07:08 < GlenK> course
07:08 < Psi-Jack> No, math, not courses. :)
07:08 < GlenK> but fuzzy logic probably too
07:09 < potatoe> Dagmar wouldnt the fd already be open, the one writing to syslog
07:09 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, sorry, my pc crash (think was google chrome)
07:09 < potatoe> Dagmar so that wouldnt be affected by someone spawning a jilling fds
07:09 < Dagmar> potatoe: Maybe so, maybe not
07:10 < Dagmar> SOmething gobbling up all the fd's isn't a thing you're supposed to _allow_ to happen
07:10 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, stat /dev/uinput -> https://paste.debian.net/1030397/
07:10 < Dagmar> THe kernel might have simply figured logging it to the console and attempting a call to syslog() was good enough
07:11 < GlenK> yikes.  my new neck of the woods.  it's either a lot of gunshots, a lot of cars backfiring, or a lot of fireworks.  dogs are going crazy either way
07:12 < Dagmar> How regular were the reports, and did they all sound the same?
07:12 < Dagmar> Also, if you're in the US, this might be a good time to familiarize yourself with a site called https://spotcrime.com
07:13 < GlenK> maybe 2 or 3 at a time every 10 mins or so.  probably fireworks.  but who knows
07:13 < Dagmar> You used to be able link their data to an AR app called "Layar" so you could just pan your cameraphone around and see little icons appear telling you just how f**ked you are for having wound up in that neighborhood at 2am
07:13 < GlenK> it's far far away by the sound of it, so I'm not spotting anything luckily
07:13 < Dagmar> Ah that would be fireworks
07:13 < Dagmar> No, spotcrime scrapes police blotters
07:13 < GlenK> ah, gotcha
07:14 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Yep. That's not getting the permissions per the udev rules file as it is.
07:14 < Dagmar> Sometimes it's handy to know if you're in an area where there's an average of three dead hookers a week
07:14 < Dagmar> It lets you know to not worry about what color that traffic light is
07:15 < GlenK> ha, nah.  my particular street is very tame.  just you know, some places are like that.  drive a few miles and all of a sudden you're not safe at all
07:15 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, how can i set the permission/
07:16 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Try changing the 50 to 99
07:16 < maxcell_> ok
07:16 < Psi-Jack> I'm not seeing anything in /lib/udev/rules.d that would conflict, but..
07:16 < GlenK> hey, I'm sorry to bug you guys.  I'm gonna switch it up to that defocus channel or whatever.  cheers
07:17 < cheers-> cheers
07:17 < Dagmar> Didja remember to make it _reload_ the rules after you changed them?
07:17 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, there is only an ssd udev rule "60-ssd-schedul.rules  99-ds4drv.rules
07:17 < maxcell_> "
07:17 < Psi-Jack> Dagmar: he even rebooted.
07:17 < Dagmar> Well, @#$@
07:17 < GlenK> ha, or not.  did I spell defocus wrong?
07:17 < Dagmar> Time to use the monitor function I guess
07:17 < GlenK> two of those ## thingys?
07:18 < GlenK> man...haha
07:18 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: There's also stuff in /lib/udev/rules.d for system-installed stuff. (/etc/udev/rules.d are supposed to be user managed)
07:18 < Psi-Jack> GlenK: #defocus is gone.
07:18 < Dagmar> ('cuz /etc is explicitly system configuration data for the local system)
07:18 < Psi-Jack> Dagmar: Hard to use the udev monitor on uinput, which is pretty much always there. :)
07:19 < Dagmar> udevadm monitor and hotplug the device and you should see *somehting* that services as a clue
07:19 < GlenK> Psi-Jack: serious?  that's odd
07:19 < Psi-Jack> GlenK: Check with #freenode
07:19 < NightTrain> (now named ##chat)
07:19 < Psi-Jack> Ahh there we go.
07:19 < Psi-Jack> defocus was kinda silly anyway. :p
07:21 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, i did udevadm control --reload-rules & trigger. start /dev/uinput still root/root chmod 0600
07:21 < Dagmar> Might be related to the very end of this https://github.com/chrippa/ds4drv/issues/93
07:21 < maxcell_> the only udev rules in /lib with 99 permission is 99-systemd.rules
07:22 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: There you go.
07:22 < Psi-Jack> Creating /etc/modules-load.d/uinput.conf with the contents of 'uinput'
07:22 < Dagmar> Are you _certain_ you should be reading uinput for this?
07:22 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, uinput for this does seem a bit overkill, honestly.
07:23 < Psi-Jack> I think that's a blanket thing, when things should be using the hidraw* stuff.
07:23 < Dagmar> ...or is this going to be one of those cases like with some Palm users deciding the right thing to do is to chown all the tty's to their user
07:23 < Psi-Jack> heh
07:23 < Dagmar> You can absolutely make the system generate a new device alias for the hidraw that's created for whatever the heck got plugged in
07:24 < Psi-Jack> The idea of defining a uinput group for uinput is somewhat saner, and then adding your user to that group.
07:24 < Dagmar> Well, maybe not a uinput group.  Perhaps a console users group, like plugdev
07:24 < maxcell_> uinput group but, /dev/uinput is root.root
07:24 < Psi-Jack> plugdev works too.
07:25 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Yeah, I'll propose a change to add on the uinput line, append: , GROUP="plugdev", and then check if you're already in that group: getent group plugdev
07:26 < Psi-Jack> And change permissions to 0660, instead of 0666
07:26 < maxcell_> yeah thats way better but
07:26 < Psi-Jack> And then the modules-load.d/uinput.conf
07:26 < maxcell_> we can't even set to 0666 permissions yet =(
07:26 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: modprobe uinput; ls -l /dev/uinput
07:27 < Psi-Jack> If that changes permissions, then the bug report is accurate.
07:27 < maxcell_> that's interesting...
07:27 < maxcell_> let me paste
07:28 < maxcell_> i dont understand why but.. https://paste.debian.net/1030398/
07:31 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Yep, kind of expected.
07:31 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, it changed to 0660 tho, not 666 as it is on the udev rule
07:31 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Tehre's a delay in the event triggering the udev rule
07:31 < maxcell_> oh
07:31 < Psi-Jack> crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 10, 223 jun 23 02:27 /dev/uinput is 0666
07:32 < maxcell_> oh yeah, you right
07:32 < maxcell_> not 777
07:32 < maxcell_> so...
07:32 < maxcell_> where can i put this modprobe uinput to initiate with the X/
07:33 < maxcell_> or anything like that
07:33 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Create /etc/modules-load.d/uinput.conf with the contents of 'uinput', for the second time.
07:34 < maxcell_> contents of uinput/
07:34 < Psi-Jack> No, uinput.
07:35 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, what content i dont understand
07:35 < Psi-Jack> uinput
07:35 < Psi-Jack> That's it. Literally, one line. With that module.
07:35 < maxcell_> oh
07:35 < maxcell_> lol
07:35 < Psi-Jack> Basically uinput isn't being loaded at boot.
07:35 < Psi-Jack> YOu need to make it auto-load it.
07:36 < maxcell_> got it
07:36 < maxcell_> just uinput without ' ' of course..
07:36 < maxcell_> done
07:36 < Psi-Jack> Reboot, and you will see it work just fine.
07:36 < maxcell_> cool
07:37 < Psi-Jack> I still recommend revisements to the original to use plugdev, and less permissions.
07:37 < Psi-Jack> uinput allows for raw mode access to input devices.
07:37 < Psi-Jack> This can be bad security-wise.
07:38 < maxcell_> right but, ds4drv only have the ds4drv --hidraw command as far as i know
07:38 < M3rd> Yeah
07:38 < Psi-Jack> My suggested changes includes changing the setters from MODE="0666" to: MODE="0660", GROUP="plugdev"
07:38 < maxcell_> oh yeah
07:38 < maxcell_> i gotta do that
07:38 < maxcell_> wait
07:38 < M3rd> Hah
07:39 < Psi-Jack> All of them, not just uinput's ;)
07:39 < Psi-Jack> And usermod -a -G plugdev <yourusername>
07:39 < maxcell_> yeah to put me in that group
07:39 < Psi-Jack> Yep.
07:39 < maxcell_> ok
07:39 < Psi-Jack> Now you should be golden without exposing as much as that silly original rule applied.
07:40 < M3rd> Alright
07:40 < Psi-Jack> You can also renumber it back to 50.
07:40 < maxcell_> yeah
07:40 < M3rd> Hmm...
07:40 < maxcell_> ok
07:40 < maxcell_> wait
07:42 < M3rd> there are still many people use IRC :)
07:43 < M3rd> but this is a long time ago :(
07:44 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, https://paste.debian.net/1030400/ that is the new udev rule, is it right/
07:45 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Lines 3-4 should be 1 line. Lines 6-7 should be 1 line.
07:45 < Henry151> anybody feel like helping me out? I'm trying to compile bcc http://termbin.com/bn8i
07:46 < Henry151> following directions here: https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/INSTALL.md
07:47 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, it is one line i just copy from 'vim' and it was in a small window
07:47 < Psi-Jack> Okay. The other lines didn't wrap like that so, just making sure. :)
07:48 < maxcell_> no problem
07:48 < maxcell_> i will reboot
07:53 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, it worked but...
07:54 < Psi-Jack> buuuuuuut...?
07:54 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, its perfect, 0660 root.plugdev but, another permission error come out when i "ds4drv --hidraw". /dev/uinput/event9 Permission Denied
07:55 < Psi-Jack> Heh
07:55 < M3rd> ???
07:55 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, and that udev rule doesn't even cover that at all.
07:55 < maxcell_> it creates the /dev/input/js1 (which wasn't before) but give this other error later
07:56 < maxcell_> let me paste to give you more insight
07:56 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, https://paste.debian.net/1030402/
07:57 < Psi-Jack> Though the subsystem hidraw, should cover.. Maybe idVendor and/or idProduct or the KERNELS lines don't match your specific hardware well enough.
07:57 < maxcell_> hmm
07:57 < maxcell_> can we get it somehow/
07:57 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm... it itself is creating devices? *widens an eye*
07:58 < maxcell_> ^^
07:58 < maxcell_> it's a ps4 controller
07:58 < M3rd> ^_^
07:58 < maxcell_> maybe they have different id's/
07:58 < maxcell_> between versions, idk
07:58 < Psi-Jack> I get that. I never plugged a PS4 controller into my computer.
07:58 < Psi-Jack> USB though I presume.
07:58 < maxcell_> yes
07:59 < Psi-Jack> lsusb
07:59 < Psi-Jack> Look for the controller.
07:59 < maxcell_> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 054c:05c4 Sony Corp. DualShock 4
07:59 < maxcell_> :D
07:59 < Psi-Jack> Well,, that matches the idVendor and idProduct fine.
07:59 < M3rd> 3-)
07:59 < maxcell_> hmm
07:59 < Psi-Jack> M3rd: Stop.
08:00 < M3rd> <3
08:00 < maxcell_> =(
08:00 < M3rd> Ops
08:00 < M3rd> Sorry
08:00 < maxcell_> np
08:00 < M3rd> Ok i'm stop
08:00 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: lsusb -v -d 054c:05c4
08:01 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, https://paste.debian.net/1030403/
08:01 < maxcell_> wow
08:02 < maxcell_> it even tells you the battery power
08:02 < Psi-Jack> maxcell_: Did you do that as root?
08:02 < maxcell_> no
08:02 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, missing details. ;)
08:03 < maxcell_> lol
08:03 < maxcell_> Device Status:     0x0000
08:03 < maxcell_>   (Bus Powered)
08:03 < maxcell_> was missing that
08:03 < Psi-Jack> Ahh
08:03 < Psi-Jack> Hmm, well, what I'm seeing /should/ be fine...
08:04 < Psi-Jack> I hate to say it, but you can try to change those MODE's back to 0666, and udevadm trigger and re-plug in the controller.
08:04 < Psi-Jack> Validate the permissions change, and try the driver again.
08:05 < maxcell_> so back to 0666
08:05 < maxcell_> ok
08:05 < maxcell_> so i think that was the reason for this udev rule being in the ds4drv project in the first place
08:06 < Psi-Jack> DId it work?
08:06 < maxcell_> let me see
08:06 < maxcell_> im editing
08:08 < maxcell_> lol
08:08 < maxcell_> worked
08:08  * Psi-Jack shakes his head.
08:08 < Psi-Jack> Stupid badly done userspace drivers...
08:08 < maxcell_> doesn't make sense right
08:08 < maxcell_> look https://paste.debian.net/1030404/
08:09 < Psi-Jack> Well, at least the battery is fully charged.
08:09 < Psi-Jack> At 500mA. :)
08:09 < maxcell_> lol
08:09 < maxcell_> well i can use bluetooth but, this way i got no delay
08:10 < maxcell_> you like know every command
08:10 < Psi-Jack> Is kind of cool to know that a PS4 controller can work with Linux.
08:10 < maxcell_> yeah
08:10 < Psi-Jack> Heh. I forget more about linux than most people will ever even know in their lifetimes. :)
08:10 < maxcell_> it works better than in windows (not as safe i gess but)
08:11 < maxcell_> that sounds about right
08:11 < maxcell_> thanks very much bro
08:11 < Psi-Jack> Welcome.
08:12 < maxcell_> man, this lsusb -v -d ID_code
08:12 < maxcell_> wtf...
08:12 < Psi-Jack> Remove the -d part, you'll see a LOT more. :)
08:12 < maxcell_> how the kernel knows all of that
08:12 < maxcell_> lol
08:12 < Psi-Jack> USB Plug N Prey data.
08:12 < maxcell_> hmm
08:12 < maxcell_> so
08:13 < maxcell_> plug and play is that
08:13 < maxcell_> information
08:13 < maxcell_> usb reads when you plug
08:13 < Psi-Jack> Pretty much.
08:13 < maxcell_> it comming from the controller, not the kernel
08:13 < Psi-Jack> Exactly.
08:13 < Psi-Jack> lsusb just provides it in a human understandable format.
08:14 < maxcell_> human
08:14 < maxcell_> thats a pretty kind way to put it
08:14 < maxcell_> :D
08:14 < maxcell_> hahaha
08:14 < Psi-Jack> hyoooman.
08:14 < maxcell_> hahahha
08:14 < maxcell_> just kiding
08:15 < cheapie> OK, some background information about the questions I'm going to ask: I live in the US, where we have over-the air ATSC digital TV broadcasts. I currently have an antenna plugged into one of those converter boxes, and then that is connected to an old analog TV. It is performing very well, with all the channels I want.
08:15 < maxcell_> well, i was never good at math
08:15 < maxcell_> so...
08:15 < cheapie> Now, the questions: If I buy an ATSC tuner card that has Linux support, does that mean I can watch TV on my computer if I plug the antenna into it? And if so, is there suitable software to make the computer function as a DVR if I install a large hard drive?
08:16 < Psi-Jack> cheapie: Yes. Yes.
08:17 < cheapie> Psi-Jack: OK, cool. If I buy a quad-tuner card (I'm looking at the "Hauppauge 1609 WinTV-quadHD"), how powerful would the computer need to be to, say, record from all four tuners and play a recording at the same time? I have some spare computers but I don't know if they're good enough.
08:17 < Psi-Jack> If you get a good DVR that does hardware encoding into a suitable format (formerly mpeg-2 hardware encoders, maybe something better these days), you don't even need software, really, Just take the video device input directly to a file stream.
08:18 < cheapie> AFAIK, ATSC digital TV is pretty much just an MPEG-TS stream that could be dumped straight to disk, so I wouldn't expect much CPU power to be needed.
08:19 < mices> i need to install touchpad drivers how can i do that
08:19 < Dagmar> You can still score HD-1212 units on eBay
08:19 < maxcell_> Psi-Jack, http://www.wow247.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Thumbs-up.gif
08:19 < cheapie> Dagmar: Is that better? If so, how?
08:19 < Dagmar> Component in, including fiber spd/if, straight to h.264
08:20 < Psi-Jack> cheapie: Well, the 1609 depends on a software encoder, so, pretty high requirements.
08:20 < cheapie> Psi-Jack: Are you sure it won't just remux the existing MPEG-2 video that's coming in from the antenna?
08:21 < cheapie> Dagmar: I don't want to record signals from some random device's analog output, though.
08:21 < Dagmar> That thing is going to simply dump four streams.  Not a big deal
08:21 < Dagmar> dual-core 2Ghz should be plenty
08:22 < Dagmar> It'll be a stream you'll probably really want to re-encode tho
08:22 < Psi-Jack> cheapie: I couldn't say honestly.
08:22 < cheapie> OK, most of my spare boxes have Core 2 Duo E8400s (dual-core 3GHz) so I guess that meets that.
08:23 < Psi-Jack> I haven't done TV tuner cards in a while. I used to have 4 physical servers doing DVR with multiple tuners though, back in my younger days. :)
08:24 < Psi-Jack> 1U rackmounted computers no less.
08:24 < maxcell_> feels good to be able to press buttons and it actually works
08:24 < syb0rg> were you trying to archive every existing channel at the time, Psi-Jack?
08:24 < Psi-Jack> Nope.
08:24 < cheapie> Psi-Jack: "Record all the things!"? :P
08:24 < Dagmar> Well, he's right about this type of card just needing to dump the stream coming over the air.  No encoding needed.
08:24 < Psi-Jack> I was handling a multi-TV household with the ability to watch/record/playback streams life accross the house.
08:25 < Dagmar> So, this is about as CPU intensive as a high speed moedm
08:25 < Psi-Jack> I accomplished it. Very nicely in fact.
08:25 < Psi-Jack> Back before RPi even existed. heh
08:25 < Dagmar> I'm just using Emby and Rokus
08:25 < Dagmar> WAF high enough to get by
08:25 < Psi-Jack> What I had was pre Roku even.
08:26 < cheapie> Dagmar: I'll probably go for one of them, then. Disk space isn't really an issue - the stuff I can find says that directly dumping the stream will consume about 5GB/hour (depending on the bitrate the channel chose), so that would give me about 600 hours on this random 3TB drive I have sitting around here. That's more than enough.
08:27 < Dagmar> Closer to 4.7Gb actually
08:27 < syb0rg> cheapie, at this point even 8 tb hard drives are cheaper than they have any right to be, so by the time you fill it you can afford to upgrade for sure
08:27 < Dagmar> I spent a LOT of time recording stuff from bloody Comcast
08:27 < cheapie> I mean, even if I get 100 hours on the drive that's plenty for the planned use.
08:27 < Dagmar> Using first a PVR-250, then a PVR-500, and then the HD-1212 unit
08:28 < Dagmar> You can pretty much *always* do better with ffmpeg than what gets broadcast
08:28 < Dagmar> ...and hardware-based encoders produce streams that are kinda insane in some ways
08:29 < cheapie> Maybe I can find some software that'll dump the stream and then transcode "lazily" to something sane like VP9+Opus at a later time. Dunno if such software exists.
08:29 < Dagmar> *kofkof*
08:29 < Dagmar> https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?t=2278
08:29 < Dagmar> You've got a WAY easier job than the crap I had to do with firewire to control the cable box
08:30 < cheapie> Is MythTV any good, as far as software goes?
08:30 < syb0rg> cheapie, that software could be a bash script running on a cronjob. Watch the file until it stops changing size, then transcode. And I bet someone here has a better solution than mine (they always do)
08:30 < Dagmar> ...and I do explicitly mean that MythTV is built so that you can set up a background job to re-encode the streams after each program
08:30 < Dagmar> THese are pretty much all "solved problems" and a few more besides
08:31 < Dagmar> I used MythTV for quite some time.  It works pretty darned well
08:31 < syb0rg> so case in point
08:31 < cheapie> OK, I think I'll buy the card on Tuesday (will have money for it then) and try it out in one of these spare computers with MythTV and the 3TB drive. Thanks!
08:32 < Dagmar> I even had a whole LCARS theme on mine
08:32 < iodev> :D
08:32 < Dagmar> Cuz when it comes down to it, I'm mounting a 46" black slab of glass on the freaking wall
08:32 < iodev> Dagmar: you star trek fan
08:32 < Pentode> lcars. you would dag you would.
08:32 < Dagmar> It can damn well look like something out of Star Trek if it wants to
08:33 < Pentode> i'd like to really create a lcars interface thats as close as possible to the real thing. yet functional.
08:33 < Dagmar> ...and then a million gallons of water fell on Nashville
08:33 < iodev> Dagmar: yep, you're a fan :D
08:33 < Pentode> an entire widget toolkit from scratch
08:33 < iodev> who is better Picard or Kirk?
08:33 < Dagmar> I could care less
08:33 < Dagmar> The original trek was a different kind of show
08:34 < Dagmar> So, they're really not quite comparable
08:34 < Pentode> both star trek. yet entirely different entities.
08:34 < Dagmar> But with a little work one can easily figure out how the MythTV themes work and you can make whatever the heck you want for menus
08:35  * Pentode pours some tranya 
08:35 < Dagmar> ...and FOR FREAKIN' ONCE you can do so with 1:1 pixel accuracy.  Finally.
08:35 < Dagmar> Analog sets sucked for that
08:35 < Pentode> mythtv? whasat
08:35 < Dagmar> It's media center software
08:36 < syb0rg> it's like tv but more mythical
08:36 < Dagmar> ...for people who do not care to lose the functionality of a VCR just because X1 can't manage to not suck
08:37 < Dagmar> It soaks up listings, bosses the cable box around or records from multiple tuner sources, tidily encodes the video streams, etc
08:37 < Dagmar> Also comes with a music player, and hooks for Myth's Zoneminder stuff
08:38 < Pentode> neat little package
08:40 < hackinghorn> how to know what font is used in my terminal?
08:42 < jim> there might be a resource file the font is specified in
08:42 < jim> what dist of linux is this, and which terminal?
08:50 < CrazyTux> do other flavours of Ubuntu like Ubuntu Mate, Lubuntu, Xubuntu and Kubuntu also collect user information?
08:51 < CrazyTux> what is the nature of that information that is collected by Ubuntu?
08:53 < syb0rg> CrazyTux, I have found little official info on that subject, but as I understand you are prompted during the install on the offical version to allow (by default) or opt out of collecting information about system specs and install options
08:53 < syb0rg> the official "vanilla" desktop installer
08:54 < syb0rg> I even went so far as to email canonical asking essentially your question and got no response...
08:54 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, I have installed Ubuntu Mate. It asks for the system info everytime I login.
08:54 < syb0rg> hmm. That sounds annoying
08:54 < syb0rg> it isn't an error prompt asking to send info about the error?
08:54 < CrazyTux> There is a choice to opt not to send that info, though.
08:55 < CrazyTux> but, I am asked at every login, on the welcome screen.
08:55 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, no. It is not an error prompt.
08:55 < syb0rg> ah, well you can at least disable the welcome screen (I can only assume this is true on the mate version, which I have not used)
08:56 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, or would it be better to use Linux Mint instead?
08:56 < syb0rg> eh, I like Ubuntu personally
08:56 < syb0rg> just disable the welcome screen
08:57 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, but, Mint is based on Ubuntu LTS.
08:57 < syb0rg> Yeah, I know
08:57 < syb0rg> if you want to use it go ahead, it is a perfectly fine distro
08:57 < syb0rg> although they did have one fairly dumb security issue a while back
08:58 < syb0rg> as I recall they had the hashes of their isos hosted on the same server as the isos, then someone comprised both. Lol.
08:58 < syb0rg> I think that is what it was anyway
08:58 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, but, it has been taken care of now, I think.
08:59 < syb0rg> yeah that was a short term issue they addressed quickly
08:59 < syb0rg> but avoidable
08:59 < jim> comprised? or compromised?
08:59 < syb0rg> eh, take your pick
09:00 < syb0rg> comprisomised
09:00 < CrazyTux> syb0rg, but Ubuntu collects user info even now. Does it not?
09:00 < syb0rg> correct, but that is more of a controversial design choice than a security issue
09:01 < CrazyTux> ok
09:01 < CrazyTux> but, does it not pose a problem of intrusion into user privacy?
09:02 < syb0rg> I would say so, but you are presented with the opportunity to opt out
09:02 < syb0rg> if it were my choice, it would be opt in. But they would get a tiny fraction of the info that way
09:03 < syb0rg> and I admit is has some value in choosing were to focus development effort
09:03 < CrazyTux> ok
09:03 < syb0rg> *where, since jim is on typo patrol =P
09:03 < slushpuppy> Hi, would there be any issues trying to bind mount 1 device to multiple directories, i.e. mount --bind /ev/example /home/user1/example && ount --bind /ev/example /home/user2/example
09:03 < jim> well I just didn't know what you meant :)
09:03 < syb0rg> I mean comprisomised!
09:04 < CrazyTux> no, personal info is collected, then? like online searches made on the browser, info about downloads and offline files etc.
09:04 < jim> so if you shine a light it comes out a rainbow?
09:04 < CrazyTux> no personal info is collected, then?
09:05 < syb0rg> no crazytux, as I said it is limited to install choice and system specs. There should be some more info in articles if you google it. Although I really wish Canonical would publish an official statement on their site
09:05 < syb0rg> this is to the best of my knowledge, of course
09:05 < CrazyTux> ok
09:06 < syb0rg> jim, that is a prism you are thinking of
09:07 < jim> isn't that what comprismized is?
09:07 < syb0rg> hmm, I guess it might be
09:08 < syb0rg> but I said comprisimised, which is simply nonsense you see
09:08 < syb0rg> well I said something similar
09:08 < syb0rg> the point is it was nonsense
09:09 < jim> so comprismatized is the application of metanonsense to conversations?
09:10 < syb0rg> ah, but metanonsense is nonsense *about* nonsense. And while what I said was nonsense, the conversation it referred to made sense.
09:10 < syb0rg> checkmate, jimothy
09:11 < jim> so it's nonsense * nonsense, or nonsense^2?
09:12 < syb0rg> it's sense * nonsense, which is like 1 * i. I guess. Or something. I'm lost
09:13 < jim> it may have become metastasized
09:13 < hexnewbie> So, like, sense * nonsense = nonsense; nonsense ^ 2 = -sense; nonsense ^ 4 = sense?
09:14 < syb0rg> I think so hexnewbie, but I don't know enough metanonsense theory to say for sure
09:14 < syb0rg> I do know that if it has metastized we are screwed
09:14 < syb0rg> or metastasized
09:14 < syb0rg> whatever it may be
09:14 < jim> isn't that the behavior of sqrt(-sense)?
09:15 < hexnewbie> jim: It makes no sense, does it? :)
09:15 < CrazyTux> ok. Mint or Ubuntu?
09:15 < syb0rg> well that would be i * sqrt(sense), which is imaginary but not nonsense
09:15 < jim> yep, can't make a cent
09:16 < syb0rg> I would have guessed you were good with centOS
09:16 < jim> which at least provides the result: sense is imaginary
09:17 < syb0rg> thank christ we can all agree on that
09:17 < syb0rg> or linus
09:17 < syb0rg> whomever
09:17 < syb0rg> CrazyTux, that is a matter of preference but I vote ubunut
09:17 < syb0rg> ugh. Ubuntu
09:17 < jim> ugh^2 buntu?
09:18 < syb0rg> I'm going to have an aneurysm
09:18 < syb0rg> assuming I managed to spell that right, my autocorrect is not working
09:18 < hendrix> Moebuntu!
09:26 < rukusza> 9
09:26 < syb0rg> what is this, a number station?
09:27 < rukusza> whoops sorry, cat walked over the laptop :/
09:27 < syb0rg> If you rename it 9, all is well.
09:27 < rukusza> ( my excuse, sticking to that )
09:27 < syb0rg> If and *only* if, rukusza
09:32 < pingfloyd> it's about to be 8 lives left
09:41 < iwar> hi i have changed the /etc/sudoers file to have an user possess sudo access
09:42 < iwar> do we have to source the file or something?
09:45 < syb0rg> no, iwar, you don't have to source anything for a modification to your sudoers file to take effect
09:46 < iwar> thanks syb0rg
09:46 < syb0rg> no problem
09:50 < pingfloyd> iwar: instead of editing sudoers, why not just add them to the sudo group?
09:51 < iwar> pingfloyd: how do i add them
09:51 < iwar> usermod?
09:51 < pingfloyd> some dists use sudo group and some use wheel grop
09:51 < syb0rg> usermod -aG "group" "user"
09:51 < pingfloyd> iwar: which dist?
09:51 < pingfloyd> adduser is easier
09:51 < pingfloyd> adduser user group
09:52 < iwar> pingfloyd: centos
09:52 < pingfloyd> after you add the user to the necessary group, you'll want to log out and back for the new group membership to be in effect for that user.
09:52 < iwar> adduser username wheel? pingfloyd ?
09:52 < pingfloyd> iwar: see what's in /etc/group
09:52 < iwar> ok sure
09:52 < pingfloyd> actually
09:53 < pingfloyd> look at the sudoers file
09:53 < pingfloyd> should show the needed group in there unless they gave a more minimal default
09:54 < pingfloyd> look for something like %group ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
09:55 < pingfloyd> if there isn't any, that would be a good time to create one in there and create a group for the purpose.
09:55 < pingfloyd> then you're all set going forward
10:02 < iwar> pingfloyd: one more question, i want to bootstrap the vm with a certain configuration, now when the vm starts i want a env variable with ENV_NAME=/some/path
10:02 < iwar> should i add this in /etc/bashrc
10:03 < iwar> is that the way to go ?
10:07 < sdfgsd> hello, how do you read .info or .texi doc files
10:08 < kurahaupo> iwar: /etc/bashrc is only used for interactive shells; if you want it available to init, you'll need to set it elsewhere
10:08 < sdfgsd> ohhh found it
10:08 < sdfgsd> ok ok
10:08 < iwar> kurahaupo: where do i need to set it
10:08 < sdfgsd> lol so simple
10:09 < sdfgsd> you don't need to set it anywhere buddybro
10:09 < sdfgsd> except for $HOME/.bashrc
10:09 < iwar> sdfgsd: still dint got it
10:09 < sdfgsd> but by default its interactive anyways isn't it
10:10 < sdfgsd> I missed the first part of your q, ignore me
10:14 < kurahaupo> iwar: how are you starting the vm?
10:15 < iwar> we have our own tool.. its something like userdata section from aws
10:15 < Henry151> hi again guys
10:15 < iwar> kurahaupo: ^^
10:15 < Henry151> I been watching this and other videos on the same subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj3qdEDbCD4
10:16 < Henry151> and trying to install bcc tools on my already-running servers that are already "doing stuff"
10:16 < Henry151> failing miserably
10:16 < Henry151> can't figure out what i'm doing wrong
10:16 < Henry151> I spun up a brand-new VPS on vultr and was able to run bcc in a docker container
10:16 < kurahaupo> iwar: do you want to add it to the environment of init within the vm?
10:17 < Henry151> but doing the same steps on my "already set up and running" vps, from the same provider, vultr, I can't get it to run
10:17 < iwar> kurahaupo: is that the right way to do that?
10:17 < Henry151> so then i tried following the install directions
10:17 < iwar> why not in /etc/bashrc
10:17 < Henry151> for debian you're supposed to compile it, but i can't get it to compile
10:18 < Henry151> i'm so darn deep in over my head
10:19 < syb0rg> always feels like that until you solve the problem Henry151 =P
10:19 < kurahaupo> iwar: I'm asking you, what exactly do you mean by "when the vm starts" - which processes within the vm need this env var?
10:19 < hexnewbie> Henry151: I don't believe anyone is going to watch a video to tell what you're doing.
10:19 < Henry151> syb0rg: lol I feel like that 110% of the time
10:19 < iwar> simple, when i try to ssh  i should accesss cd $ENV_NAME rather than typing /some/path/somewhere
10:20 < syb0rg> then you must be learning fast, Henry151
10:20 < Henry151> hexnewbie: oh sure you don't have to watch the video, but it's fascinating stuff, I linked it just to show what led me to be interested
10:20 < Henry151> i'm trying to install https://github.com/iovisor/bcc
10:20 < Henry151> installing docker on a brand-new vultr VPS and then following the quick start guide here: https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/QUICKSTART.md works
10:21 < kurahaupo> iwar: so do you just want it for interactive sessions within the vm?
10:21 < Henry151> but doing it on my already-running vultr vps didn't work.
10:21 < iwar> no when i ssh to the box manually.. im not sure about the word interactive here
10:21 < iwar> in plain english, i need to run export VAR=/some/path
10:21 < kurahaupo> iwar: yes putting it in your .bashrc should suffice
10:22 < iwar> under home?
10:22 < kurahaupo> iwar: it doesn't even need to be exported; just set in the current shell
10:22 < kurahaupo> (which means this is a #bash question)
10:25 < space_race> Anyone here uses Openbox as WM? Im trying to remove the titlebar but couldn't find the option in Obconf.
10:27 < FightingFalcon> What VPN server shall i install for my VPS? I want to use it to by-pass banned websites in my country...
10:28 < syb0rg> openvpn is a common choice, FightingFalcon
10:32 < FightingFalcon> syb0rg, thanks, are you familiar with dedicated hosting, vps hosting etc?
10:32 < syb0rg> like the basic concept of what these things are? If so, sure
10:33 < syb0rg> I have a VPS, I know what a server is. Have more specific questions? =P
10:34 < FightingFalcon> I have a dedicated server on Hetzner with 32 GB ram, 4 core i7 processor. I host 3 web sites on it. They are text-only sites. I use only 3 to 4 gb rams memory and server load is always like 0.2, 0.1 etc
10:34 < FightingFalcon> Shall i downgrade to VPS?
10:35 < syb0rg> seems reasonable to me, that sounds like a very overpowered setup for what you are doing
10:35 < FightingFalcon> i see
10:36 < syb0rg> Maybe try renting the VPS and migrating one site at a time to see if it performs to your satisfaction?
10:36 < syb0rg> (I think it will)
10:37 < FightingFalcon> i did and it does perform well.
10:42 < hexnewbie> I would be surprised if ‘text-only’ sites use 3-4 GB of RAM. What does text-only mean, though?
10:45 < hexnewbie> Small or few images are usually light. Big or many images, or videos are only heavy in terms of disk and network I/O, though they are helped by RAM for disk cache. On the other hand, text-only inside dynamically generated HTML, especially with badly written software, can be extremely heavy.
10:46 < hexnewbie> On the modern web, a page with simple text can take 2-3 minutes to be generated by the server as it queries all tables in the database to display it, then cause 100% CPU usage on the browser side.
10:47 < syb0rg> wait, why would a slow loading page cause 100% CPU for the client, hexnewbie?
10:47 < hexnewbie> syb0rg: Cause it naturally needs JavaScript to put the text together, and the JavaScript is badly written?
10:48 < syb0rg> fair, I guess badly enough written javascript could max the CPU while waiting for data from the server
10:51 < pingfloyd> any badly written program can
10:54 < syb0rg> yeah, I don't think anyone was blaming that potential issue on javascript pingfloyd
10:54 < syb0rg> more like incompetence from bad programmers, though it was hypothetical in the first place
10:55 < hexnewbie> My point is, in this day and age you can't guarantee anybody that their ‘text-only’ site won't work after a downgrade (especially during a potential visitor peak, or attempted script kiddy attack), without an elaboration on how that text is born.
10:56 < syb0rg> true enough, but I was making no guarantees, and my reply was based on the low server load he mentioned. Plus like I said, the migration can be done gradually
10:56 < syb0rg> you are of course correct though, "text only" leaves a lot of possibilities
11:01 < pressure679> Hi, I got an issue, and an answer for no question. Issue: a terminal command - "dmesg | grep fail" returns this: "pci 0000:00:1c.0: BAR 14: failed to assign [mem size 0x00200000]", and a similar message but with "BAR 15(...)mem size 0x(...) 64bit" at kernel epoch (if I am correct about that term) 0.5730xx, what does this mean?
11:11 < domhnall> morning, /wc
11:19 < takeme> can i know what it means?
11:19 < takeme> sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:bladerf/bladerf
11:20 < syb0rg> takeme, that is a command that adds an unofficial repository to your sources. So you can install unoficcial software from bladerf
11:20 < syb0rg> so only do so if you trust that source
11:21 < takeme> syb0rg: then how can i do?
11:21 < syb0rg> I don't understand the question
11:21 < takeme> install or not install ? syb0rg ?
11:21 < syb0rg> that is up to you. What program are you trying to get installed?
11:22 < takeme> gqrx syb0rg
11:24 < takeme> syb0rg: how can i do?
11:24 < syb0rg> I found this page, takeme: https://launchpad.net/~gqrx/+archive/ubuntu/gqrx-sdr/
11:24 < syb0rg> that help?
11:25 < syb0rg> are you using ubuntu?
11:26 < takeme> yes
11:26 < takeme> but i have no idea to install it or not
11:26 < syb0rg> then yeah, that page shows you how
11:26 < syb0rg> where are you getting stuck>
11:26 < syb0rg> *stuck?
11:26 < takeme> i just want to install only sqrx-sdr
11:27 < takeme> this is good idea?
11:27 < syb0rg> is it a good idea to install that software, you mean?
11:27 < syb0rg> I don't see why not, if you are doing stuff with a software defined radio
11:28 < takeme> it is good idea not to install it?
11:28 < takeme> how about? syb0rg ?
11:28 < syb0rg> takeme, if you want the program, install it. If you don't want it, do not install it. Additionally, it looks like you can install it without adding the ppas, so long as you do not need the latest version
11:29 < takeme> ah
11:29 < takeme> anyway this is newest version?
11:29 < syb0rg> if you add the ppas and do what the page says, you should get a recent version
11:29 < takeme> this is not recent version?
11:30 < takeme> syb0rg: ?
11:30 < syb0rg> the instructions on the page will get you a recent version. If that doesn't matter much to you, then just install from the official repoes (don't bother with adding the ppas and all that)
11:31 < takeme> thanks then i will not install ppas
11:31 < takeme> 8)
11:31 < syb0rg> cool good luck :)
11:31 < takeme> :)
11:34 < edd_lc> Anyone know why yaourt is marked as discontinued?
11:36 < syb0rg> edd_lc, I know it is now considered outdated, but I do not know the reason why. I do know that many alternatives exist.
11:37 < taaperotassu> edd_lc: Why do you use yaourt? There are quite many others https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_helpers worth to consider.
11:37 < syb0rg> edd_lc, a bit of info and alternatives: https://itsfoss.com/best-aur-helpers/
11:39 < notmike> T-Rex v lion, who wins?
11:39 < syb0rg> come on, obviously the T-rex. No contest
11:39 < syb0rg> a pack of lions probably wouldn't stand a chance
11:40 < norkle> cheater vs raptor?
11:40 < syb0rg> cheater probably wins due to cheats
11:40 < norkle> haha
11:41 < edd_lc> syb0rg: exactly the article I was reading. taaperotassu, because it was recommended to me a long time ago and did its job well.
11:42 < edd_lc> What do you guys use? Was thinking about `yay`
11:42 < syb0rg> I think the devs are just done keeping it current, so it is time to move on
11:42 < syb0rg> yay is what I am currently using
11:42 < taaperotassu> edd_lc: old habits die hard. Eventhought if it's not updated anymore it doesnt mean that it doesnt work.
11:43 < taaperotassu> yay and aurutils!
11:44 < wesalius> hi, I have multiple perl oneliners that I need applied to one file - see please https://dpaste.de/VNVX how do I do that?
11:44 < wesalius> if I run them 1 by one than they are fine, if I a put them inside a shellscript they give back an error
11:46 < syb0rg> what error?
11:46 < takeme> how can i install arduino?
11:47 < Armand> takeme: #arduino
11:48 < takeme> 8)
11:48 < wesalius> syb0rg: : No such file or directory.
11:50 < syb0rg> wesalius, does your script start with: cd /whatever/directory/the/text/file/is/in ?
11:50 < taaperotassu> Anyone using traefik? Wondering if it needs also nginx to show static sites.
11:50 < wesalius> syb0rg: dunno whats the problem, I put the onliners on newlines in a .sh file with a shebang above, chmod +x that file and  ./script.sh
11:51 < wesalius> syb0rg: hmm no, I have the file to treat in the same dir as the script
11:52 < well_laid_lawn> try #perl
11:52 < wesalius> syb0rg: I will try to put an absolute path to the file to the script then
11:52 < wesalius> well_laid_lawn: tried, no response
11:52 < c-pin> been trying to setup debian buster from cli on a laptop, i got the os installed over wifi but now idk how to configure my network so i can install i3
11:52 < syb0rg> wesalius, that should work if and only if you are executing the file from within that directory. Is that what you are doing?
11:53 < syb0rg> *executing the script
11:53 < c-pin> been at it for all night, google isnt helping
11:53 < syb0rg> running the script with relative paths, I mean
11:53 < rascul> wesalius could you put your script in a pastebin?
11:53 < wesalius> syb0rg: yes thats what I am doing
11:53 < rascul> also the exact and full error message you get is important
11:53 < wesalius> syb0rg: I have the script and the file to modify in the same dir
11:54 < c-pin> so far ive tried wpa_supplicant which came preinstalled, as well as ifconfig
11:54 < syb0rg> then it does seem like it should work, but as rascul said the actual script would be nice to look at
11:54 < wesalius> rascul: that was the exact full err msg
11:54 < c-pin> seems like the driver is there and itll do ifup and ifdown
11:55 < wesalius> https://dpaste.de/NaLX
11:56 < wesalius> the exact error mesage is ": No such file or directory."
11:56 < c-pin> idk if im supposed to edit sources, wpa_supplicant.conf is just network={ ssid="my ssid" psk="my ssid's password"}
11:56 < rascul> wesalius that's not the full message
11:56 < rascul> please include whatever is before the ":"
11:56 < wesalius> rascul: that is
11:56 < syb0rg> are you sure you are attempting to execute the script with the proper name?
11:56 < wesalius> rascul: do you want a printscreen of my terminal?
11:56 < rascul> sure
11:57 < syb0rg> it sounds like maybe you are trying to execute a script that does not exist, like you misspelled it
11:57 < c-pin> iiwconfig for wlo1 is essid:off/any,  mode:managed, frequency 2.462ghz, access point: non-associated
11:58 < c-pin> i tried directly writing to wpa_supplicant.conf with wpa_supplicant -B -i wlo1 -c <(wpa_passphrase "ssid" "password"
11:58 < c-pin> )*
11:59 < c-pin> i get the message successfully initialized wpa_supplicant
11:59 < c-pin> but iwconfig still reports not-associated access point
12:00 < wesalius> https://pasteboard.co/HrcQrYcW.png
12:01 < rascul> hrm that's kinda weird
12:01 < c-pin> this is what im reading to set it up also https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line
12:02 < wesalius> exactly :-)
12:02 < rascul> wesalius there's nothing i can see in your script that would cause so many messages to be printed, and that's not how perl would display such an error
12:02 < wesalius> maybe it has something to do that I am on WSL debian on win 10...
12:02 < syb0rg> yeah, that is quite odd. It "shouldn't" fix anything, but I would still try absolute paths
12:02 < rascul> an example of perl's message: "Can't open SPC11682.txt: No such file or directory."
12:02 < wesalius> rascul: I just pasted the head of my script
12:03 < rascul> ahh ok
12:03 < wesalius> rascul: its the same until the end
12:03 < c-pin> am i being too mental with wifi setup or what, idk
12:03 < wesalius> but weird is that if I paste them 1 by 1 into shell they run ok
12:03 < rascul> are there 26 lines in the script calling perl?
12:03 < c-pin> i kinda need it to apt-get lol
12:04 < wesalius> rascul: 28 including #!/bin/sh
12:04 < wesalius> lets try the paths as syborg says
12:04 < syb0rg> #!/bin/sh does not call perl =P
12:05 < wesalius> syb0rg: ?
12:05 < rascul> i was just counting the error messages and seeing that they appear to be 1:1 for each call to perl
12:05 < wesalius> rascul: ye...
12:05 < syb0rg> rascul, asked if there were 26 lines that called perl, and you said 28 including #!/bin/sh
12:05 < wesalius> oh :-)
12:06 < rascul> why is this in perl anyway and not sed?
12:06 < rascul> just curious
12:07 < wesalius> hmm
12:07 < wesalius> so there is 27 lines of perl
12:07 < wesalius> 26 ": No such file or directory.lius/Desktop/wiki/leky/sed/SPC11682.txt"
12:07 < wesalius> so maybe it does the first one
12:07 < wesalius> ?
12:08 < rascul> try replacing your shebang with '#!/bin/bash -x'
12:08 < wesalius> its perl because I need multiline replacement
12:08 < rascul> or wherever your bash is
12:08 < wesalius> and I tried
12:08 < rascul> ok, was just curious
12:08 < wesalius> sed -i 's/\n1\.\n\nNÁZEV PŘÍPRAVKU\n/\n\nNÁZEV PŘÍPRAVKU\n/g' SPC11682.txt
12:08 < wesalius> and that did not work
12:09 < rascul> yeah i didn't notice all the newlines at first
12:10 < irgendwer4711> what is that a password hash in shadow without any $?
12:12 < irgendwer4711> DES?
12:13 < syb0rg> wesalius, does something as simple as concatenating the file from a script work? I.e., is it just calling perl from the script that has this bizarre issue?
12:13 < wesalius> syb0rg: lemme try
12:18 < takeme> how can i extract file.tar.xz ?
12:18 < rascul> tar xf file.tar.xz
12:18 < post-factum> cz detected
12:19 < syb0rg> takeme, you should learn how to use google for simple questions
12:19 < Armand> ^
12:19 < B14CK-SPID3R> Hello guys, i had a problem with login in kali linux 2018.2. So i could solve it by installing lightdm instead of gdm3. Now i have some graphical issues that you can see in this picture: https://pasteboard.co/HrcRgDw.jpg could you please help me to solve it?
12:20 < takeme> syb0rg: ah ok
12:20 < pingfloyd> use a sane dist?
12:20 < wesalius> pingfloyd: :-D
12:21 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: tell us why people choose kali?
12:21 < wesalius> syb0rg: i just tried echoing a simple question, that does my bash produce no problem
12:22 < syb0rg> wesalius, I was more interested in seeing if your script could operate on the file in question
12:22 < syb0rg> which it should be able to do, of course, but if perl can't I am wondering if it is *just* perl
12:22 < wesalius> syb0rg: like instead of perl thing do a simple....sed thing?
12:23 < syb0rg> just temporarily add cat "filename" to the beginning of your script and execute it
12:23 < B14CK-SPID3R> post-factum, because they are so lazy and configuring these tools is boring
12:23 < syb0rg> or a simple sed thing, anything that addresses the file
12:23 < syb0rg> I just want to see if the issue comes up when pointing perl at the file, or when pointing bash at the file
12:24 < syb0rg> I don't understand why either would have a problem, though... it's an odd situation you are in
12:25 < B14CK-SPID3R> Menu and top bar has gone. Gdm3 doesnt work because i had some problems with my graphic drivers.
12:25 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: if people are lazy, they choose fedora. if they are really lazy, they choose arch
12:26 < syb0rg> post-factum, :-|
12:26 < syb0rg> in fact, >:-|
12:26 < B14CK-SPID3R> Syb0rg, :D
12:27 < B14CK-SPID3R> Post-factum, anyway, could you help me?
12:29 < rascul> B14CK-SPID3R use a distro intended for your use case
12:30 < wesalius> syb0rg: the cat stdouts the file into terminal no problem
12:31 < syb0rg> from within a script, yes, wesalius?
12:31 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: maybe, if you describe your issue in more details and if it is not something kali-specific, because i'm not a kali user
12:31 < syb0rg> he has no window decorations or panels, from the screenshot, post-factum
12:31 < B14CK-SPID3R> Post-factum, what details do you need?
12:32 < rascul> wesalius did you try the 'bash -x' in the shebang i mentioned earlier? iirc you mentioned there was one less error message than perl commands so it would help to see which perl command isn't erroring
12:33 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: what is your DE and how do you launch it?
12:34 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: also, do you launch your GUI as a root?
12:35 < atif5> any real human here ?
12:35 < Armand> Nope
12:35 < syb0rg> atif5, this channel is actual for chatbots to sharpen their skills
12:35 < syb0rg> *actually
12:35 < Armand> We're all cats with keyboards, atif5
12:35 < syb0rg> we even make errors on purpose to appear more hue-mon
12:35 < post-factum> imma definitely a cat
12:35 < atif5> haha
12:36 < atif5> mistakes
12:36 < Armand> ^_^
12:36 < atif5> it means you are human
12:36 < atif5> syborg
12:36 < syb0rg> the hell I is
12:36 < syb0rg> 100% chatbot
12:37 < atif5> am
12:37 < post-factum> B14CK-SPID3R: don't pm me, i'm not your personal troubleshooter
12:38 < syb0rg> post-factum, would you be open to troubleshooting personal problems? You could be, like, the channel therapist
12:39 < post-factum> syb0rg: gimme +op, and you'll see ;)
12:39 < syb0rg> pssh, I have no ops to give
12:40  * syb0rg gives post-factum +op
12:40 < syb0rg> best I can do
12:46 < post-factum> kewl
12:58 < wesalius> ok
12:58 < wesalius> in between some random mocking the guys at #perl pointed me at the problem
12:58 < wesalius> that is a windows EOLs
12:59 < wesalius> changed them to unix EOLs
12:59 < wesalius> now I get a perl err >D
12:59 < wesalius> which I am scared to post there since they are waaay to nice to non-perl people
13:00 < wesalius> :D
13:00 < takeme> how can i know disk usage?
13:01 < MrElendig> man du
13:01 < MrElendig> man ncdu
13:01 < post-factum> man pydf
13:05 < takeme> MrElendig: df instead of du
13:05 < takeme> lol
13:06 < MrElendig> no
13:06 < MrElendig> du
13:06 < MrElendig> Disk Useage
13:06 < MrElendig> usage*
13:06 < MrElendig> :p
13:06 < post-factum> fusage
13:07 < MrElendig> (it really depends on just what number he is after, yay for ambigious questions)
13:16 < Acer_> Hey I got an "Not Only TV" "LV5HD" usb video+audio grabber(I don't care about DVB-T tuner capabilities only about getting video grabbing to work) ,is there any hope for me to get it running under linux in vlc/obs studio? It is recognised as AMD Cali TV ,with official drivers on windows(needless to say I got no idea how to make it work. Some background ,my brother gave me windows drivers and the name of the app that worked best ,obs studio crashes ,vlc causes an
13:16 < Acer_> blue screen of death) ,and that app says the device is simplly not supported/isn't connected(same software version). Tried using the Mainline 4.18 rc2 kernel ,but you know how that went the device is still recognised only as amd cali tv(and needless to say vlc doesn't even start up under 4.18rc2 probablly would need a recompile or smthn)
13:16 < Acer_> *with official drivers on windows it's recognised as Ati Theater Hybrid
13:19 < Acer_> as in ,tried to run it under windows ,but it just failled terriblly and there probablly isn't much I can do except using drivers outside of official manufacturer ,and use the drivers from amd/ati
13:23 < Acer_> very funny
13:23 < Acer_> to uninstall the driver I need to restore my dd copy of my windows ssd install
13:23 < Acer_> very funny
13:23 < takeme> libusb-1.0-0  vs libusb-1.0-0-dev  <—— what is difference?
13:40 < MrElendig> one is the actual lib, the other is the header files
13:41 < MrElendig> as your package manager would tell you if you bothered to read the description :)
14:00 < jason85> Why do I need to be root to read from /proc/pid/mem for my own (non suid) processes?
14:06 < MrElendig> only the process itself can read its own mem by default
14:06 < MrElendig> for sanity sake
14:08 < qwedfg2> does linux works with uhd displays?
14:08 < qwedfg2> I am using xorg with kde
14:08 < qwedfg2> I guess it works but is it usable?
14:08 < MrElendig> you are better off using memdump/pcat/whatever than reading it by hand btw
14:09 < MrElendig> gdb too
14:09 < MrElendig> qwedfg2: the kernel doesn't really care about the screen res
14:09 < MrElendig> as for X applications, ymmv *a lot*
14:10 < MrElendig> anything that isn't qt5/gtk3 is going to suck, and even quite a few of the qt5/gtk3 apps are terrible
14:10 < MrElendig> hardcoded tiny icon size etc
14:10 < MrElendig> the biggest issue though is if you mix different dpi on different screens
14:10 < qwedfg2> no, I am going to use one screen only
14:10 < qwedfg2> that bit I know already
14:11 < qwedfg> I'll try to test it using vnc
14:31 < choice> Hello! I tried to update Debian 9 to sid.
14:32 < choice> So I changed the sources to 'sid' and did 'apt dist-upgrade' and it ended in this:
14:32 < choice> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
14:32 < choice> What went wrong?
14:39 < BluesKaj> howdy folks
14:39 < choice> Howdy BluesKaj
14:39 < BluesKaj> hey choice
14:48 < audiofile> hi jim
15:10 < ShalokShalom> hi there
15:11 < ShalokShalom> any ideas why the nvidia driver 396.18 supports GT 630 and 396.24 does not?
15:11 < ShalokShalom> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/133571/en-us
15:11 < ShalokShalom> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/133859/en-us
15:12 < ShalokShalom> and why the .18 is marked as Beta, while .24 not?
15:12 < Armand> Probably because it was superseded ?
15:13 < ShalokShalom> i see
15:13 < ShalokShalom> and why the support loose?
15:14 < Armand> I don't understand your question
15:14 < ShalokShalom> see the two links
15:15 < Armand> Right ?
15:15 < ShalokShalom> within these two versions, the complete 400, 500 and GT 600 series drops support
15:15 < Armand> Ohh...
15:15 < Armand> Because they wanted to.. ?
15:15 < ShalokShalom> i see
15:17 < searedvandal> that's the name of the game
15:17 < searedvandal> they want you to buy a new card
15:18 < ShalokShalom> i buy a new second hand card :P
15:19 < searedvandal> my gt610 lost support, so I'm just sticking with nouveau for now
15:21 < pankaj> Sometimes I get bored of programming and my passion for it is (I think) loosing day by day. What should I do. I really love programming but?
15:22 < superkuh> You can dance, if you want to.
15:24 < pankaj> superkuh: Is that a joke?
15:24 < pankaj> superkuh: I am serious.
15:25 < pnbeast> pankaj, I'd advise a support group.  Note that this is a Linux *technical* support forum.
15:25 < JimBuntu> pankaj, come to ##Linux-offtopic
15:26 < pankaj> JimBuntu: I thought it is offtopic.
15:26 < pankaj> JimBuntu: Sorry, I usually know that.
15:26 < JimBuntu> being bored with programming is quite offtopic. Happy to chat with you elsewhere though :)
15:27 < superkuh> You can leave your friends behind.
15:29 < SuperSeriousCat> Go hiking in the woods for 4-7 days without any technology. Your love for programming will come straight back
15:29 < OhPie> https://github.com/explore << this was purchased
15:29 < JimBuntu> SuperSeriousCat, hah! I would simply desire 7 more days... well, depending on your definition of "technology"
15:30 < OhPie> To me  you all are suck.
15:30 < OhPie> here's why: I see no encryption data.
15:31 < OhPie> One thing I do like is MeZZEr
15:31 < SuperSeriousCat> Same :p Hiking is fun. Too bad no real life friends share the interest
15:31 < xryuu> Hello all! Whenever I do "mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdb2" I get this "mdadm: no recogniseable superblock on /dev/sdb1 mdadm: /dev/sdb1 has no superblock - assembly aborted". Remade the partitions, rebooted the pc but same problem occurs
15:32 < OhPie> xryuu ≡ I find it stupid that you use linux to access windows
15:32 < mawk> calm down OhPie
15:33 < mawk> open your window and jump, it's the best remedy
15:33 < xryuu> Well I'm SSHing to my linux box haha
15:34 < OhPie> github (linux) code was purchased by microsoft (butt hurt)
15:34 < OhPie> this MONTH.
15:34 < rascul> github isn't linux
15:34 < JimBuntu> mawk, please correct your source, proper required library is "climbStairs"
15:34 < azarus> linux isn't even hosted on github
15:34 < Armand> lolz
15:34 < azarus> torvalds/linux is just a mirror
15:34 < SuperSeriousCat> And MS bashing is old. They are huge open source fans
15:34 < rascul> azarus it is, actually, but only as a mirror
15:34 < OhPie> rascul ≡ it is and that you don't know it; is rude
15:35 < azarus> rascul: yes, stated that
15:35 < rascul> OhPie i'm not sure how you reached such an incorrect conclusion
15:35 < OhPie> github is all known linux code
15:35 < Armand> O_o
15:35 < OhPie> FACT.
15:35 < azarus> OhPie: what are you smoking?
15:35 < SuperSeriousCat> He is just trolling. Time to stop feeding him
15:35  * Armand sets OhPie on fire
15:35 < OhPie> azarus ≡ I'll save that data for later.
15:36  * OhPie listens
15:36  * OhPie knows
15:36 < xryuu> so anyone?
15:36 < mawk> it looks like a bot
15:36 < BluesKaj> heh, sourceforge was fawning all over MS purchase of git...it was sickening
15:36 < jeffree> yeah, dude, update your assumptions
15:36 < jeffree> MS loves us
15:36 < mawk> purchase of github
15:36 < mawk> not git
15:36 < OhPie> your dobbleganger was just replaced
15:37 < mawk> I'm not sure you write it like that
15:37 < Armand> BluesKaj: Didn't sourceforge get hacked, or someshit.. and hosted a load of malware ?
15:37 < OhPie> git is
15:37 < Armand> Or, am I thinking of something else?
15:37 < OhPie> sad for you
15:37 < OhPie> I'm using a windows box to inform you
15:37 < jeffree> Armand: sounds right
15:37 < rascul> Armand that was sourceforge's previous owner
15:37 < Armand> Ok
15:37 < BluesKaj> mawk:  , ok github , it's still sickeing
15:37 < JimBuntu> Armand, thinking of something else
15:37 < rascul> they were purchased a bit ago and have been working to clean things up
15:37 < BluesKaj> Armand:  never heard that
15:38 < dogbert_2> LOL - Yesterday the White House released the Government Reform Plan which includes a plan to solve the federal cybersecurity workforce shortage. The plan is government-wide and focuses both on the immediate needs of the federal government and on educating America's youth to build an enduring cybersecurity talent pipeline.
15:38 < Armand> It was definitely sourceforge, 2016
15:38 < OhPie> 2 things to know: Linked in data is being binded with github data.
15:38 < Armand> *bound
15:38 < OhPie> FACT. 2018
15:38 < mawk> dogbert_2: "pipeline"
15:38 < mawk> nice words
15:39 < OhPie> I'm using a windows box to tell linux users
15:39 < JimBuntu> aka, US GOV in search of Linux plumbers.
15:39 < Armand> OhPie: No-one cares.
15:39 < OhPie> armando ≡ yes I do care.
15:39 < Armand> So, only you then..
15:39 < dogbert_2> I've done cybersecurity for the gov't...a lot of talent moves to the private sector...better pay and benefits, flex time, other perks, and no clearance bullshit
15:39 < OhPie> maybe others don't; I do.
15:39 < Armand> Which amounts to nothing.
15:40 < OhPie> you select your battle; this is my battle.
15:40 < Armand> There is no battle.
15:40 < OhPie> go away
15:40 < Armand> There is no spoon.
15:40 < rascul> you took the wrong pill
15:40 < Armand> lol
15:40 < OhPie> - there is this - https://github.com/explore
15:40 < dogbert_2> gov't wants better talent, revise it's drug use policies on background checks...
15:41 < Armand> dogbert_2: They'd have to... there's a lot of talented stoners. :P
15:41 < OhPie> dogbert_2 ≡ do not fear access
15:41 < OhPie> I see your vpn
15:42 < dogbert_2> we lost 20 analysts in 30 months...all went to private sector
15:42 < Armand> Ouch
15:42 < dogbert_2> gov't simply couldn't compete...period
15:42 < Armand> It happens, ehh...
15:42 < Armand> Personally, I won't work govn.
15:43 < Armand> Doesn't suit my ethics.
15:43 < dogbert_2> one guy had his clearance held up and they kept stalling, left for a position that paid 20K more and didn't give a shit about his convictions for pot
15:43 < OhPie> You can give me admin access (be warned)
15:43 < OhPie> It's your choice
15:43 < Armand> jim, you around ?
15:44 < OhPie> You can give me access; I wouldn't recomment it.
15:44 < Armand> Or, no.
15:44 < OhPie> Most of these people are afraid.
15:45 < Armand> Afraid of nothing.
15:45 < OhPie> oh;
15:46 < OhPie> we're all going to die linux or not.
15:46 < OhPie> drivers. << best word ever invented.
15:47 < OhPie> you're right; I'm wrong; we all suck w'ere all strong.
15:47 < Armand> dogbert_2: My wife's aunt works at the Pentagon.. that's pretty interesting.
15:47 < OhPie> lava wins in all instances; I want to know if you have the ballsack to be a 'smell'.
15:48 < Armand> We got a private tour, after I nearly had a gun pointed at me. :P
15:48 < OhPie> linux products don't enable
15:48 < jeffree> what do you mean nearly?
15:48 < OhPie> most linux products are windows based
15:49 < Armand> jeffree: I didn't know that you're not allowed to take photos of the building.. I dropped the camera pretty sharpish.
15:49 < Armand> Damn near shat myself too. :P
15:49 < jeffree> from inside?
15:49 < Armand> Nah, outside.
15:49 < OhPie> most linus drivers are coded to adapt to windows drivers
15:49 < jeffree> pfft
15:49 < jeffree> ridiculous
15:49 < rascul> !ops OhPie trolling
15:50 < Armand> Yeah... But, I don't fancy getting shot all the same. ;P
15:50 < rascul> ugh the !ops doesn't do it anymore?
15:50 < blackandblue> why does linux GUI feels like its made by some grad student lol
15:50 < jeffree> looks like windows got control here too
15:50 < Armand> jim: attention required, boss
15:50 < rascul> blackandblue which linux gui? and it probably is
15:50 < Armand> blackandblue: There is no "Linux GUI"..
15:50 < jeffree> linux gui? there are many
15:50 < Armand> There are choices.
15:50 < OhPie> so linux products don't need windows produts?
15:50 < blackandblue> KDE, gnome, xfce and other crap
15:51 < Armand> "crap"....
15:51 < Armand> It's all subjective, blackandblue
15:51 < blackandblue> or perhaps linux foundation cant afford to pay professionals for GUI
15:51 < blackandblue> lol
15:51 < Armand> Personally, I use Cinnamon, on Mint.
15:51 < OhPie> FART
15:51 < jeffree> blackandblue: what you want is Common Desktop Environment, or CDE
15:51 < blackandblue> Armand, yaeks. cinnamon... full of bugs
15:51 < rascul> lol cde
15:51 < Armand> blackandblue: There is no "Linux GUI"...
15:51 < Armand> And, no.. it's not.
15:51 < OhPie> are you 8 or something?
15:52 < OhPie> it's ok
15:52 < blackandblue> Armand, so linus retard codes on CLI on MacOS (since he is rocking macbook)
15:52 < blackandblue> ?
15:52 < OhPie> My dad told me I shold listen to people.
15:52 < Armand> blackandblue: Ok.. I'm done with your bullshit.. Have a nice day.
15:52 < OhPie> My dad told me I shold listen to people.
15:52 < OhPie> ALOT
15:52 < OhPie> fuck my dad. (linux)
15:53 < Armand> Ok, that's the noise filtered out.
15:53 < dogbert_2> well, that's stuff I don't miss from my contractor days :P
15:53 < blackandblue> Armand, please dont tell me there are no bugs in Cinnamon
15:53 < blackandblue> and its windows 10 rip off GUI
15:53 < OhPie> if linux was great it wouldn't argue that it's great
15:54 < Armand> jeffree: That was seriously the scariest moment of my life..
15:54 < OhPie> if linux was great it wouldn't argue that it's great
15:54 < OhPie> hey
15:54 < OhPie> hey
15:54 < OhPie> would it?
15:54 < jeffree> Armand: I can imagine
15:54 < Armand> Her aunt told me.. "You don't need to put your hands up.. you're white"
15:54 < rascul> cinnamon predates windows 10...
15:54 < Armand> O_O
15:54 < OhPie> if linux was great it wouldn't use a windows produt to provide it a text inpu?
15:55 < jeffree> afaik, linux and other unix guis have usually pioneered concepts first
15:55 < OhPie> Did AT&T just recently use linux.  It did?..
15:55 < OhPie> BAD MOVE.
15:55 < dogbert_2> how to clean up a data center - https://imgur.com/gallery/qAJg8Xi
15:55 < royal_screwup21> I needed to install docker for an Atom plugin and I'm hitting this error: https://thepasteb.in/p/vghOP5kPmg8c3 I tried the suggestion on here https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46202475/permission-denied-while-trying-to-connect-to-the-docker-daemon-socket but that didn't work for me; the same error cropped up. How do I fix this?
15:56 < OhPie> yeah you don't use google product to clean up a daata center.
15:56 < Armand> dogbert_2: How to get fired...
15:56 < DLange> OhPie: mind stopping your babbeling here now? There are people asking for help in the channel.
15:56 < OhPie> fear isn't a tool.
15:57  * OhPie looks up at the monster
15:57 < rascul> royal_screwup21 perhaps that user needs to be in the docker group or some such? check 'ls -l unix:///var/run/docker.sock'
15:57 < jeffree> OhPie: just curious, do you actually have a message?
15:57 < Armand> Let's not entertain the incel muppet.
15:57 < jeffree> OhPie: summarize your message in a single sentence
15:57 < OhPie> jeffree ≡ I do have a message: Do you have cash?
15:58 < OhPie> not blockchain
15:58 < jeffree> this is why I want ignore timeouts and soft-ignore
15:59 < Armand> jeffree: I prefer a perma-ignore.. There's literally no need to remove someone from that list. :P
15:59 < jeffree> I guess I think about it a little differently
16:00 < Armand> Ohh, of course.
16:00 < revel> A lot of the time, those annoying people disappear after a week anyway, so it'd just clean up the ignore list.
16:00 < jeffree> yep
16:01 < Armand> Meh.. :P
16:01 < rascul> my client can't even ignore :(
16:01 < jeffree> wow, impressive, lol
16:01 < Armand> O_o
16:01 < jeffree> did you write it yourself?
16:01 < rascul> no
16:01 < rascul> https://github.com/thelounge/lounge
16:01 < Armand> whatthe....
16:02 < Armand> That looks... bad...
16:03 < rascul> bad how?
16:03 < Armand> Sorry....
16:04 < Armand> More that it doesn't suit my tastes.
16:04 < rascul> ok
16:04 < Armand> I should be more specific, ehh? :P
16:04 < jeffree> regardless how it looks, it can't ignore
16:04 < Armand> That would piss me off.
16:04 < rascul> ignore isn't even a feature i've ever used, nor do i see myself ever using it, so i could care less if it has it or not
16:05 < rascul> *couldn't
16:05 < rascul> looks like a newer version has /ignore though, maybe i'll update one day
16:05 < Armand> Fair do's
16:07 < ice9> how to set custom path for lxd instead of /var/lib/lxd ?
16:12 < DLange> ice9: bind mount /var/lib/lxd to somewhere else as per https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/2832
16:21 < kotten> hello
16:21 < kotten> Does anyone know where I could find a complete(or near complete) list with description of kernel parameters? As set in the /proc/.. or sysctl?
16:26 < pnbeast> kotten, I'm not sure what you're seeking, but this page lists some possibly related information: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.html.  "latest" might be changeable to your kernel v. number.
16:28 < post-factum> kotten: what parameters are you talking about?
16:29 < post-factum> kotten: at minimum, there are command line kernel options as well as sysctl tunables
16:32 < post-factum> Toaderas: xairete bro, wazzup
16:38 < BlueShark> Hi, command-line wizards, I have a ZIP file containing another ZIP file that contains another ZIP file ... and so on, 1000s of times. How can I extract the last file?
16:39 < BlueShark> It's guaranteed that every ZIP archive contains only one file. And *.zip extension is not present in any of these files.
16:39 < post-factum> xD
16:40 < rumpel> Blueking, loop magic
16:41 < TheWild> dammit.   ./configure and make. Which program I should add additional options to and could you give me an example?
16:41 < BlueShark> rumpel I tried but couldnt get it to work. If you could show an example, that would be great.
16:41 < post-factum> TheWild: to do what
16:41 < post-factum> ?
16:41 < TheWild> exactly, compiling sqlite
16:42 < post-factum> TheWild: so, what doesn't work?
16:43 < TheWild> goddammit, do I have to break something first?
16:43 < TheWild> I want to compile sqlite
16:43 < TheWild> I remember I've been adding options in the past and it worked, but I don't remember now.
16:43 < post-factum> TheWild: so go and compile. read some README, INSTALL or BUILD file and compile it
16:44 < rumpel> BlueShark, you could put your stuff with terminal outputs/errors on http://dpaste.com and maybe get some feedback.
16:45 < TheWild> there's only README.md and VERSION, not INSTALL or BUILD. They do not give examples how to enable additional options.
16:45 < TheWild> never mind. I'll ask at #sqlite
16:45 < Sitri> BlueShark: "bsdtar xf FILE" will auto-extract without needing the .zip extension.  "bsdtar tf FILE" will list the file-names one per line.
16:46 < post-factum> TheWild: ./configure --help
16:46 < post-factum> TheWild: usually, you don't have to add something else unless you require something non-default
16:49 < TheWild> oh thanks for the "./configure --help" thing. I thought it's just a "pure" script and won't tell me anything.
16:49 < TheWild> the options in fact look quite differently
16:51 < widp> I am looking at a bunch of library calls using ltrace
16:51 < widp> I see hex arguments, how do I look at them as strings?
16:55 < squezada> hey guys when i make a new docker container from a docker image it doesnt show up.  docker run -it  and then docker ps shows empty
16:55 < Acer> Hey can I do "lz4 -9 /dev/sda /mnt/backup.img" ?
16:55 < Acer> afaik it's possible to "cp /dev/sda /mnt/backup.img" so
16:55 < Acer> is it possible to do the same with a block device but for a compressor ?
16:56 < FreeFull> Yes
16:56 < Acer> instead of running a dd pipe(in case of this compressor only cat pipe works)
16:56 < Acer> oh allright
16:57 < squezada> So as i understand it you create docker container AFTER you pull the image.  When you create it shows up as running
16:57 < FreeFull> Acer: If you're just trying to backup a specific ext2/3/4 partition though, maybe use e2image instead
16:58 < post-factum> Acer: in case of xfs it would be xfsdump. in case of btrfs, just send a snapshot. anyway, also keep in mind that free space will not necessarily be filled with zeroes
17:07 < BenderRodriguez> Dear linux
17:07 < BenderRodriguez> a question.
17:07 < BenderRodriguez> When creating lvm snapshot logical volumes, is it possible to automatically tell it to use the size of the volume being used for the snapshot to create the new volume?
17:08 < BenderRodriguez> right now I run this: lvcreate -n nasbackup -L500G -s /dev/data/nas
17:08 < BenderRodriguez> which means I have to explicitly tell it to be 500Gigs as opposed to, say, telling it to take the size of /dev/data/nas and create the new volume size based on that
17:08 < BenderRodriguez> does this make sense?
17:14 < RayTracer> BenderRodriguez: afaik lvm snapshots are supposed to exist only limited time, and need to be sized to keep changed data in that time, so no, it shouldn't make sense
17:14 < xjkx> I use openbox, but gnome override my right click button in desktop, how do I get it back ?
17:14 < Acer> One more question , I have a simple bash for loop and for test purposes I want to run "time" command in a loop
17:15 < Acer> How can I do it ?
17:15 < Acer> as if for $i in $(seq 1 9); time somecommand -$i test test2 test3 $i; done
17:15 < Acer> as in*
17:15 < RayTracer> Acer: "for i in 1 2 3; do time sleep $i; done" seems to work
17:16 < Acer> I ate do
17:16 < Acer> yeah
17:16 < Acer> my bad
17:19 < za1b1tsu> On an usb is it possible to have ext partition and a fat partition?
17:19 < azarus> za1b1tsu: yes
17:19 < azarus> why would one tough, i dunno
17:20 < za1b1tsu> azarus: bootable linux on ext and fat for storing movies etc
17:20 < azarus> why not store movies on ext?
17:20 < za1b1tsu> azarus: I need to use it on a mac, window. Idk if my tv can see ext
17:21 < azarus> likely not
17:21 < za1b1tsu> live usb with persistence or installation on usb?
17:22 < azarus> whatever suits you
17:23 < za1b1tsu> installation on usb will shorten the life of the stick, more then bootable usb right?
17:23 < azarus> dunno, haven't tested it firsthand
17:26 < Thedarkb> Arrgh, as soon as I get back in I time out again.
17:26 < Thedarkb> Rural internet for you.
17:31 < rascul> za1b1tsu limiting writes would extend the life
17:33 < za1b1tsu> rascul: can I limit writes on usb live as well?
17:33 < rascul> depends on things, i guess
17:34 < hans_> every time the system attempts to reboot, i need to open a tcp connection to a static ip address  send a static pre-recorded packet to it, any idea where i could inject a script to do that?
17:35 < sdfgsd> wat
17:36 < sdfgsd> where ?
17:36 < searedvandal> if you're the only user, .bash_logout?
17:36 < sdfgsd> yes
17:37 < rascul> hans_ an init script or systemd service
17:37 < searedvandal> or a systemd unit which does nothing on start but executes on stop
17:37 < sdfgsd> logout will be use case for so many things tho, not just sys reboot
17:37 < hans_> searedvandal, nope, the root terminal never logs in at all, and i log out (via ssh) a lot more than i reboot the system
17:38 < sdfgsd> exactly my point
17:38 < searedvandal> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/41756 something like this
17:38 < searedvandal> if you're using systemd
17:39 < searedvandal> sure, a systemd unit is probably best, bash logout was what hit me first. brain works in mysterious ways
17:40 < hans_> brain works in mysterious girlfriend's breasts
17:40 < za1b1tsu> what does an EFI install means?
17:41 < azarus> za1b1tsu: do you know what EFI is?
17:41 < hans_> za1b1tsu, i'd guess it means "install an OS with an EFI partition and EFI bootsector rather than the traditional MBR scheme"
17:42 < hans_> boot partition* bleh
17:42 < hans_> fawk
17:42 < hans_> GPT partition and EFI boot partition*
17:42 < azarus> partition table*
17:43 < hans_> ye, what he said, nvm, som1 put that in a coherent sentence?
17:43 < za1b1tsu> ELI5 pls
17:43 < azarus> za1b1tsu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
17:44 < hans_> that's not going to be an ELI5, but k
17:44 < azarus> the first sentence explains it pretty well
17:44 < hans_> za1b1tsu, ELI5: an EFI install use a more modern boot system
17:46 < za1b1tsu> damn, I dont know where to start learnign this stuff
17:46 < za1b1tsu> there is trying stuff
17:46 < hans_> za1b1tsu, uhm, why do you want to learn about uefi?
17:47 < za1b1tsu> *there is no trying stuff
17:47 < azarus> there is trying stuff!
17:47 < za1b1tsu> I want to install linux on mac and this boot stuff I don't understand
17:47 < hans_> za1b1tsu, well, got an USB memory stick?
17:47 < azarus> experimentation over studying ;)
17:47 < hans_> ohhh, hackintosh stuff? yeah that's quite difficult
17:47 < za1b1tsu> no hackintosh, I have a mac from work
17:48 < azarus> macs use EFI, yes
17:48 < za1b1tsu> and linux uses EFI right?
17:48 < za1b1tsu> where is the problem?
17:48 < azarus> linux can be booted from EFI, yes
17:48 < WhiteDevil> okay my rhel installation keeps shutting down
17:48 < WhiteDevil> soi am thinking about doing a fresh install
17:49 < WhiteDevil> because i was not able to figure out the source fo the shut downs
17:49 < hans_> where are systemd scripts supposed to be saved?
17:49 < WhiteDevil> so do a fresh install and if it still persists comet o you guys ?
17:49 < hans_> err, service scripts, i guess
17:50 < hans_> WhiteDevil, whoa, if your rhel randomly shuts down, that's scary... sure, try that
17:50 < hexnewbie> hans_: As in, scripts that the service calls, not the service itself?
17:50 < hans_> hexnewbie, lets say i wanted to try this script, where would i put it? https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/39604/139042
17:50 < WhiteDevil> yea i tried looking at the /var/log/messages nothing interesting
17:50 < hans_> hexnewbie, idk if its called a script or a service or something else
17:51 < hans_> guess its a service
17:51 < hexnewbie> hans_: That's not a script, but a service. The script is /home/me/log_traffic.pl (which is an odd place to put it)
17:51 < hans_> sure, so where am i supposed to put the service.. declaration?
17:51 < hexnewbie> That said, I don't know where user services are put. System services go in /etc/systemd/system. Perhaps /etc/systemd/user? I have no idea.
17:52 < hans_> kk. anyone?
17:53 < hans_> well, at least the folder you're talking about exists, that's something
17:53 < WhiteDevil> do you think me using dd is the problem ?
17:53 < hans_> WhiteDevil, do you mean on the install medium?
17:53 < WhiteDevil> ya using dd to create a bootable disk
17:53 < WhiteDevil> because i have unetbootin
17:53 < hexnewbie> hans_: ‘man systemd.unit’ says $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/systemd/user or ~/.config/systemd/user
17:54 < WhiteDevil> which i think is a graphical image wrritting tool
17:54 < WhiteDevil> but apparenlty its not opening on my debian
17:54 < hans_> if the installer is not booting, then yeah, that's probably the problem. if the installer is booting, but not recognizing your disks, then possibly. either way, i recommend trying rufus, in ISO mode, with the partition scheme set to GPT
17:55 < hans_> ( https://rufus.akeo.ie/ )
17:57 < azarus> sudo tee /dev/usbstick < alpinelinux.iso
17:57 < azarus> having to use dd is a myth
17:57 < hexnewbie> azarus: You just broke somebody's terminal! ;)
17:57 < azarus> why do people even struggle around with using dd when there are frankly better ways?
17:57 < hans_> but how am i supposed to optimize write block size for optimal write performance without dd?
17:58 < azarus> -fomg_optimize
17:58 < hexnewbie> hans_: Everything except dd  uses sane buffer sizes nowadays.
17:58 < azarus> hexnewbie: exactly
18:00 < WhiteDevil> is the current debian called wheezy ?
18:00 < azarus> WhiteDevil: no
18:00 < azarus> wheezy is ancient
18:00 < azarus> strech is current i believe
18:00 < azarus> stretch*
18:00 < hans_> yeah it is
18:00 < hans_> (says google)
18:00 < hans_> WhiteDevil, stop
18:00 < hexnewbie> Wheezy is oldoldstable, an old LTS release that should run out of support within a month or two if I recall correctly.
18:02 < hans_> WhiteDevil, you would probably be better off using this than the official iso https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-dvd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
18:03 < azarus> why with firmware?
18:03 < azarus> most computers don't need it
18:03 < azarus> (except laptops with terrible, awful, no good wifi)
18:04 < MrElendig> azarus: except with most wifi and gfx cards
18:04 < hans_> wouldn't surprise me if apple use components with non-free drivers in their macs
18:04 < MrElendig> yes, even intel gfx requires non-free blobs now
18:04 < azarus> whut?
18:04 < azarus> seriously? :(
18:04 < dgurney> yes
18:04 < hans_> wtf intel
18:04 < MrElendig> since 5+ years ago
18:05 < azarus> so... what intel core generation?
18:05 < MrElendig> can't remember exactly, long time ago
18:05 < hexnewbie> Even with firmware, one should just go with the netinst image. No need to download gigabyte ISOs.
18:05 < MrElendig> +1
18:06 < MrElendig> not to mention having to download twice due to everything having to be  updated after install anyway
18:08 < J-JITO> Hi there
18:08 < J-JITO> I got a new problem with every GTK app I have installed lately
18:08 < J-JITO> This is the error
18:08 < J-JITO>  CommandLine Error: Option 'limited-coverage-experimental' registered more than once!
18:08 < MrElendig> don't irc as root
18:09 < hexnewbie> WhiteDevil: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
18:09 < MrElendig> also, post full output
18:09 < J-JITO> LLVM ERROR: inconsistency in registered CommandLine options
18:09 < J-JITO> Any idea why I get this ?
18:09 < MrElendig> and which distro this is and how you installed this software
18:09 < J-JITO> I know it has something to do with LLVM, but don't know what
18:10 < MrElendig> because that does not sound like an error you would get from just running a gtk app
18:10 < J-JITO> Which distro I use: it's Kali Linux
18:10 < MrElendig> use a proper distro instead
18:10 < J-JITO> And Yes, LibreOffice and Blender is affected by this error
18:11 < J-JITO> Please don't tell me which distro I should I use
18:11 < hexnewbie> I need to dig out my book on pentesting with Blender
18:12 < hans_> pentesting... with Blender
18:12 < hexnewbie> WhiteDevil: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
18:12 < hans_> dafuq
18:12 < hans_> hexnewbie, you don't mean this Blender, right? https://www.blender.org/
18:12 < traaak> waffle
18:13 < azarus> hans_: he meant it as a joke
18:13 < azarus> he does mean that blender
18:13 < J-JITO> hans_: Yes it's blender.org
18:13 < azarus> (work a bit on your sarcasm detection ;) )
18:13 < J-JITO> It's doesn't mattter blender or not
18:14 < J-JITO> I use libreoffice a lot
18:14 < hans_> haha ok, i read the backlog, now i get it
18:14 < J-JITO> and it's not working
18:14 < dannylee> ,
18:14 < azarus> J-JITO: what matters is that you're using a distro what it isn't meant for
18:14 < azarus> for what*
18:14 < J-JITO> I know, it's just for testing
18:14 < hans_> J-JITO, btw, you should use Manjaro Linux
18:14 < azarus> hans_: argh no
18:14 < J-JITO> But LibreOffice is affected by this error
18:14 < hexnewbie> J-JITO: Well, Kali Linux is intended for pentesting live CD, not for 3D modelling. If you're willing to accept the well-meant advice to switch it with a general purpose distro, it may as well fix your issue.
18:14 < hans_> azarus, Red Star OS then?
18:15 < azarus> hans_: no
18:15 < J-JITO> GUYS, I DON'T NEED DISTRO DEBATE
18:15 < hans_> hmm... Arch?
18:16 < J-JITO> I NEED an answer to my issue
18:16 < azarus> hans_: better, but imo still not good
18:16 < azarus> J-JITO: go pay the makers of Kali then
18:16 < hans_> isn't there a Kali channel anyway?
18:16 < hans_> oh, i know, he should use Backtrack Linux
18:17 < hans_> (that's the name Kali used many years ago)
18:17 < hexnewbie> Wouldn't the Kali channel also be unhappy about people using Kali like this?
18:17 < azarus> hexnewbie: probably
18:17 < hans_> with Blender?
18:17 < hans_> lel
18:18 < hexnewbie> I don't need this debate whether I should keep bashing my head against the wall. I need help with my headache.
18:19 < azarus> YOU GUYS *NEED* TO HELP ME WITH MY ISSUE
18:19 < azarus> :P
18:19 < triceratux> xubuntu is the solution
18:19 < triceratux> oops
18:21 < kurahaupo> azarus: Your issue? Take 6 tramezol and see me again tomorrow.
18:21 < TRS-80> oh what have I missed lol
18:21 < azarus> kurahaupo: was referring to J-JITO saying we NEED to help him
18:22 < TRS-80> well I could infer by what people were saying, lol
18:22 < MrElendig> I was going to suggest that he should ask in the kali channel but he left :/
18:31 < ambicion> Needa upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04.  Anyone have any criteria over it?
18:31 < hans_> ambicion, well, uninstall your AMDGPU drivers before upgrading
18:31 < hans_> and install them again when the installation is complete
18:32 < ambicion> For shizzle.
18:32 < hans_> (if you have AMD GPUs installed)
18:32 < ambicion> Yeah, I have a desktop for gaming.  Gonna need the drivers.
18:33 < ambicion> I'm also looking into getting a VPS.  Any tips?
18:33 < hans_> i have the weirdest issue
18:34 < hans_> the following pci-e slots are unstable... if the system is rebooted without the power being physically plugged. http://rfiles.ratma.net/2018/BadMotherboard.png
18:34 < hans_> the green ones are always stable. the red ones are only stable if the computer had the power disconnected prior to being booted (eg, not rebooted)
18:35 < WhiteDevil> do you guys think i should try python and keep C away for now ?
18:35 < hans_> uhm... a little C never hurt anybody (that's a lie)
18:35 < WhiteDevil> C was the first language i learnt but i need something simpler than C
18:35 < hans_> sure you never tried any javascript in your browser prior? :p
18:35 < WhiteDevil> i want to have a programming language i can rely on foro admin work
18:36 < hans_> are you sure?*
18:36 < WhiteDevil> yea
18:36 < WhiteDevil> i hated scripting languages
18:36 < WhiteDevil> always said binarys were faster
18:36 < hans_> MS bat scripting*
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> ayecee: I passed my RHCSA exam :-D
18:36 < WhiteDevil> hey bender
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> Hi WhiteDevil
18:36 < WhiteDevil> how hard was it ?
18:36 < hans_> RHCSA?
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> it wasn't hard at all
18:36 < WhiteDevil> and conragultations
18:36 < WhiteDevil> yea
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> well
18:36 < WhiteDevil> i am preparing for it myself
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> let me say this
18:36 < BenderRodriguez> it's not hard if you prep for it
18:37 < WhiteDevil> right now my RHEL is shutting down randomnly ..so re installing it
18:37 < WhiteDevil> i have the michael jang book
18:37 < WhiteDevil> what sources did you use ?
18:37 < WhiteDevil> hey now you need your RHCE
18:37 < WhiteDevil> then consider yourself at work ;)
18:37 < BenderRodriguez> Michael Jang's book
18:38 < BenderRodriguez> for the most part
18:38 < WhiteDevil> i think you can get a job with RHCSA
18:38 < hans_> > The performance-based Red Hat Certified System Administrator (RHCSA)
18:38 < WhiteDevil> yea ..thats the book i have
18:38 < hans_> mkay
18:38 < WhiteDevil> yea hans .. its a hand on examination
18:38 < WhiteDevil> no questions and multiple choice
18:38 < WhiteDevil> they actually hand you a physical machine to work on
18:38 < hans_> cool
18:38 < WhiteDevil> bender so looking for a job now ?
18:40 < WhiteDevil> hans i tried a graphical interface iso creating tool
18:40 < WhiteDevil> called unetbootin
18:40 < BenderRodriguez> I'm already employed, my employer offered to pay for it so I decided to pursue it
18:40 < WhiteDevil> that dint work so now using dd
18:40 < WhiteDevil> nice
18:40 < compdoc> unetbootin is horrible
18:40 < hans_> WhiteDevil, seriously, use rufus instead. i don't remember the details, but unetbootin has a range of problems that rufus does not have.
18:40 < WhiteDevil> rufus is only for windows
18:40 < BenderRodriguez> win32diskimager
18:41 < BenderRodriguez> is probably the best option
18:41 < WhiteDevil> I Am only using linux
18:41 < WhiteDevil> as my primary OS
18:41 < jim> WhiteDevil, what were you going to use unetbootin on?
18:41 < BenderRodriguez> oh
18:41 < BenderRodriguez> maybe dd then
18:41 < hans_> huh, didn't know that
18:41 < WhiteDevil> jim creating a RHEL bootable installation usb
18:42 < jim> is the image already bootable? (if so, use dd)
18:42 < WhiteDevil> yes it is
18:42 < WhiteDevil> i used dd previously to create the bootable USB
18:42 < WhiteDevil> and it worked
18:42 < WhiteDevil> then my rhels started randomly shutting down
18:42 < jim> dd will write the image "in the clear" (i.e., without changing it)
18:42 < WhiteDevil> i dont know if its the rhel installation that was messed up or what
18:43 < WhiteDevil> i do have a choice on rhel installation to check if my media is 100 percent correct
18:43 < WhiteDevil> probably use that to make sure
18:43 < jim> yeah sounds good
18:44 < WhiteDevil> i will do that jim ..check the instattion media for 100 percent integrity
18:44 < WhiteDevil> i think the last time it said it wasnt and i still installed anyways
18:44 < WhiteDevil> so probably thats the source of all the hickups
18:44 < jim> has an md5sum or something like that?
18:44 < WhiteDevil> it does some integrity check all it tells us is if the bootable device is intact
18:44 < WhiteDevil> i did md5sum check previously a
18:45 < WhiteDevil> and it checks out fine with the iso
18:45 < TheWild> Bulding electronjs (source code about 12 MB) on linux. Prerequisities: At least 25GB disk space and 8GB RAM. Whaaaaaat?
18:45 < TheWild> s***load of dependencies maybe
18:46 < znh> ram is cheap /s
18:47 < jim> WhiteDevil, also, you might want to run a ram checker for a couple hours just to make sure your harware is solid
18:49 < jim> the shutting down thing, maybe it has to do with the acpi (or whichever it is) hardware
18:49 < WhiteDevil> i am looking for the sha hash part in the red hat website
18:49 < WhiteDevil> cant find it
18:50 < jim> google search?
18:52 < WhiteDevil> found out
18:52 < WhiteDevil> it was on the download page
18:53 < WhiteDevil> ya my iso is solid
18:53 < WhiteDevil> just need to make sure dd is doing its job
18:53 < WhiteDevil> will check for media test before installation ..if anything comes up ..ill come here and ask
18:54 < simbalion> Hi, I set up a yubikey on a system for PAM authentication following the official guide and realized after the fact it effects my ability to log in via IMAP. Is there a way to configure PAM so it only requires the yubikey authentication for SSH/Sudo?
18:58 < bls> what's the point of having it if you're only going to protect one connection method with it and not protect the other
18:59 < simbalion> bls: To prevent compromisation of the shell. I don't mind using it for E-mail also tho, I'm not sure how to configure that to work
18:59 < simbalion> perhaps there's a thunderbird extension
19:00 < bls> right, so attackers avoid ssh and focus all their efforts on IMAP
19:01 < bls> because that's now the weakest link
19:01 < simbalion> bls: Thanks but I don't need a lecture in security.
19:03 < Psi-Jack> Everyone needs a good lecture in security sometimes.
19:05 < kvesel> do i need "UsePam yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to be able to login to a user account via normal ssh with a password?
19:06 < bls> depends on how the rest of sshd is configured. your distro may have disabled passwords
19:06 < jim> that's in your sshd_config
19:06 < kvesel> well i am currently logging in like `ssh user@ip.address` and it will ask for accepting key, and then for password
19:07 < kvesel> if i disable the "UsePam yes" it can break that?
19:07 < jim> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
19:10 < MrElendig> kvesel: why would you want to disable pam?
19:10 < kvesel> well what is it doing?
19:10 < MrElendig> kvesel: it won't affect the use of your key though
19:10 < kvesel> why would i want it?
19:10 < MrElendig> kvesel: it lets you use 2fa and the same auth as on the rest of your system, instead of having sshd parse shadow itself etc
19:11 < MrElendig> why do you think you want to disable it?
19:11 < bls> MrElendig: he wants to go password only and disable the prompt for a key
19:11 < MrElendig> what are you actually trying to do?
19:11 < kvesel> disable anything not needed
19:11 < MrElendig> just use a key + keyring then
19:12 < MrElendig> or a passwordless key
19:12 < bls> leaving off/disabling passwords should be your goal, not the other way around
19:13 < Psi-Jack> ^ Agreed.
19:13 < kvesel> thanks :)
19:13 < MrElendig> having password (with 2fa) is a good idea for access from less secure devices though
19:15 < bipul> Hi.
19:18 < birdbolt1> need help understadnign an error in chrome dev tools
19:18 < birdbolt1> `GET http://localhost:3000/static/js/bundle.js 0 ()`
19:18 < birdbolt1> what does the 0 () mean?
19:19 < birdbolt1> I'm trying to see a page served from a docker container. The html template is loaded, but the js that is supposed to render the contents is absent, like it was never loaded
19:20 < nchambers> birdbolt1: ask the chrome team?
19:20 < bls> there's a chrome dev tools channel on here, probably want to ask them. we don't really support much proprietary software here
19:21 < birdbolt1> oh i figured maybe some devs here might know what that code means so i have an idea where to start looking..
19:21 < birdbolt1> the #chrome channel is hella dry...
19:21 < nchambers> try ##web
19:22 < birdbolt1> nchambers,  uhh, only me and ChanServ in there
19:22 < bipul> birdbolt1, Yes, if anyone here knows about or familiar about your issue will definitely respond you.
19:22 < birdbolt1> #web worked
19:23 < nchambers> msust have been #web then
19:26 < TabMasher> Hi all.  I need some software to burn Blu-ray disks.  Can anyone recommend any good software for burning Bluray disks for linux?  Ubuntu in particular.
19:27 < Dan39> TabMasher: from ISO or what?
19:27 < Dan39> for bluray iso you can juse use the growisofs command
19:27 < solidfox> hello
19:27 < Dan39> TabMasher: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Optical_disc_drive#Burning_an_ISO_image_to_CD.2C_DVD.2C_or_BD
19:28 < solidfox> is there some device that will automatically type a password I specify at the press of a button via USB keyboard input
19:28 < Dan39> all distros and no matter the DE that will work, which is the nice part of learning the command instead of a GUI
19:28 < bls> solidfox: like a yubi key?
19:28 < TabMasher> Dan39: No, for backing up files, say, from your /home directory perhaps.  No pre ISO mage creation.
19:28 < Dan39> solidfox: you can script keyboard presses from bash too if thats what you want...
19:29 < Dan39> TabMasher: i think that wiki article goes over that also, not sure
19:29 < solidfox> Dan39, well. it needs to work on bootup, can't run a script there
19:29 < solidfox> unless I were making a device like this myself
19:29 < Dan39> solidfox: why not?
19:30 < Dan39> oh, you mean like during the bootloader phase?
19:30 < solidfox> lazy pos am I
19:30 < TabMasher> Dan39: I'll check it out.  Thank you.  Hoping it covers a solution for ubuntu as well.
19:30 < bls> if you're using LUKS, you can set it up to use a key file instead of a password
19:30 < Dan39> TabMasher: like i said, they are gnu/linux commands, so they are universal
19:30 < solidfox> Dan39, well. I use full disk encryption via luks, so input would need to happend there
19:30 < solidfox> bls, yeah I do
19:30 < Dan39> solidfox: aaah, well that defeats the point of using luks, no?
19:30 < Dan39> if anyone can turn your PC on and it enters the passwords for them also?
19:31 < solidfox> Dan39, only if they have the device
19:31 < solidfox> Dan39, I imagine the device will plug into USB just like a usb keyboard
19:31 < solidfox> Dan39, I press the button and it types my password
19:31 < solidfox> Dan39, and actually I'd like to configure multiple passwords
19:31 < bls> still sounds like a yubikey
19:32 < solidfox> bls, maybe it is like yubi key but not with 2fa
19:32 < bls> not sure what that's supposed to mean
19:33 < solidfox> bls, so I was thinking yubi key might be it before I asked in here, and I looked at one on amazon
19:34 < solidfox> bls, in the description, I don't see about automatically typing a password, but I do see about 2 factor authentication
19:34 < solidfox> The YubiKey 4 adds a second layer of protection to your accounts with multi-factor authentication to prevent unauthorized access.
19:34 < bls> a yubikey has multiple operating modes: "YubiKey also allows for storing static passwords for use at sites that do not support one-time passwords."
19:35 < usr123> Hello, I am trying overthewire bandit challenge : http://overthewire.org/wargames/bandit/bandit13.html . Not looking for solution, just want a hint to keep going. I have already tried xxd -r -p resulting in unreadable data
19:35 < solidfox> ah I see. jeez I'm blind
19:36 < bls> there are also projects for setting up LUKS to do 2FA with one of them instead of just password
19:37 < jim> Armand, I was snoozin hard at the time...
19:42 < Armand> jim: All good, bud.. seems the muppets went away.
19:45 < jim> yeah, I see it got taken care of
19:46 < alexi5> hello
19:46 < alexi5> hello ladies and gentlemne
19:46 < alexi5> *gentlemen
19:51 < jim> hi
19:53 < nkz> hey, I have a folder with a lot of subfolders and files. Is there something similar to "Explore this folder" ()
19:53 < nkz> on windows, for linux?
19:53 < bls> what does "explore this folder" do on windows?
19:54 < nkz> It just gives top down view of folders. I can click little + to open it up
19:54 < bls> so something like a tree view?
19:54 < nkz> I have Thunar and it just displays current folder
19:54 < lnnb> folder means directory in winspeak
19:54 < nkz> yes, tree view!
19:55 < bls> well there's the tree command, ls -R, du, ncdu, mc, ranger, etc for the terminal. someone else will have to chime in with GUI options
19:55 < bls> image it'd be pretty trivial to build one
19:56 < nkz> thanks bls, "Tree view" was the word I needed. I googled it and found a solution.
19:56 < bls> imagine
20:03 < jim> nkz, what did you find? a file manager of some kind?
20:14 < d1rewolf> can anyone explain how this bizarre hard drive scenario is possible? https://pastebin.com/4gRdKqA3
20:14 < Psi-Jack> d1rewolf: pastebin.com is frowned upon due to many issues they themselves have caused. Pastes being reformatted, malvertising, adblock blocking, being blocked due to many reasons. See /topic for the channel's official pastebin.
20:15 < Sitri> That's not the complete output of fdisk, it should list the partitions
20:15 < Sitri> You only made one partition.
20:15 < d1rewolf> fdisk -l /dev/sdb and fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 show two different sizes for /dev/sdb1 :( https://paste.linux.community/view/77300422
20:16 < d1rewolf> Sitri: but in the first fdisk, it shows /dev/sdb1 as 1.8T
20:16 < d1rewolf> and the second, 200GB
20:16 < Sitri> That's because fdisk -l doesn't expect a partition, given that it works on drives.
20:16 < Sitri> IE: you're using the tool wrongly.
20:17 < bls> and df and du have multiple operating modes for giving used capacity
20:17 < d1rewolf> Sitri, fair enough. But when I mount /dev/sdb1, the filesystem is only 211G (see the line 15)
20:17 < Sitri> <Sitri> That's not the complete output of fdisk, it should list the partitions
20:17 < Sitri> <Sitri> You only made one partition.
20:17 < d1rewolf> Sitri, is it not valid to make just one partition?
20:17 < Sitri> You can
20:17 < bls> it's a bit redundant
20:18 < Sitri> That's not the bit that's important out of that statement.
20:18 < jim> you want one partition covering the whole drive?
20:19 < d1rewolf> bls: you mean, instead of just formatting /dev/sdb as the filesystem?
20:19 < Ben64> why does /proc/cpuinfo have the wrong speed for my cpu? Can I fix it? cpu MHz		: 1912.899
20:19 < d1rewolf> jim: yes
20:19 < d1rewolf> https://paste.linux.community/view/1a2396f0
20:19 < Psi-Jack> You don't even need a partition if you're doing whole-disk.
20:19 < d1rewolf> it appears I've done this part right.
20:19 < Psi-Jack> Just mkfs.<format> /dev/sdX
20:19 < bls> d1rewolf: yes, although you'd be better served putting LVM directly on the drive instead of a filesystem
20:19 < d1rewolf> Psi-Jack, ok, great, sure. But I've done this, since, oh...1999, and never seen this problem
20:19 < d1rewolf> even with one partition on the drive
20:19 < Ben64> d1rewolf: what problem? everything looks fine
20:20 < Psi-Jack> If you're using fdisk -l /dev/sdXY (where 1 is a partition number), then you have been using this tool wrong since 1999.
20:20 < Psi-Jack> :p
20:20 < jim> so they're saying you have a choice... you could... not partition it, and just use the whole disk... or you could do what you already did and make a partition
20:20 < d1rewolf> Ben64: fdisk reports parition as 1.8TB. when mounted, it's only 211GB. fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 also reports 214GB
20:20 < d1rewolf> Psi-Jack, ok, fair enough
20:20 < d1rewolf> *but*
20:20 < Ben64> fdisk doesn't report partition as 1.8TB
20:20 < Sitri> d1rewolf: stop doing fdisk -l /dev/sda1, it's wrong.
20:20 < Psi-Jack> No buts.
20:20 < bls> FS size != partition size in all cases
20:21 < bls> especially not if you've been using fdisk in incorrect ways
20:21 < d1rewolf> bls, yes, but i didn't constrain mkfs.ext4 when I set it up
20:21 < Sitri> d1rewolf: man resize2fs
20:22 < d1rewolf> bls: I always fdisk /dev/drive, where drive might be /dev/sdb. I just disk fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 when troubleshooting
20:22 < Psi-Jack> Like I said, if you're only planning to use the whole disk and no partitions, and it's not going to be used for booting, delete all partitions and mkfs the raw block device itself. No need for a partition table.
20:22 < Sitri> "I just disk fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 when troubleshooting" <-- you've been troubleshooting with garbage data
20:23 < Psi-Jack> That and df /dev/* is wrong.
20:23 < Sitri> Do not do that.  You will get garbage data.  The information is useless.
20:23 < Ben64> also, parted exists
20:23 < Psi-Jack> Ben64: Air exists too. :p
20:23 < Psi-Jack> $random unimportant data.
20:23 < jim> why is there air?
20:24 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:24 < bls> does fdisk do GPT now?
20:24 < Psi-Jack> It does.
20:24 < Sitri> Yes
20:24 < Sitri> For a while now actually
20:24 < d1rewolf> Psi-Jack, you are correct. Surprisingly, both df /mnt/thisfilesystem and df /dev/sdb1 report the exact same thing
20:24 < bls> I tend to stick to stable/LTS distros where I specifically had to stop using it for that reason
20:25 < bls> nice that they retrofitted it instead of throwing it out
20:25 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:26 < d1rewolf> ok, I recreated the filesystem (but not the partition). Same thing: https://paste.linux.community/view/e0670472
20:26 < d1rewolf> ^ with mkfs.ext4 output
20:27 < newpy> I'm not sure if this is on-topic, but I'm trying to find to filter out packets with the PSH flag in tcpdump
20:28 < newpy> I know how to do `tcpdump ... (tcp[tcpflags] & tcp-syn != 0)` but is there a tcp-psh equivalent?
20:28 < d1rewolf> Psi-Jack, Sitri: see above. And I've now tried deleting /dev/sdb1 and then "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb", but I get: Found a dos partition table in /dev/sdb. Proceed anyway?
20:28 < Todden> Im on Lubuntu and need libicu55 however i cant install it from apt-get
20:29 < Todden> It says not available,i assume i need another source i just dont know A)Which one and B)How to add it
20:29 < d1rewolf> Psi-Jack, Sitri Psi-Jack, ok, i stand corrected. After deleting the parition, ignoring the dos warning, and doing it anyway, the filesystem now reports 1.7T
20:29 < d1rewolf> thanks for your help. I'm still confused why that would change things
20:31 < sauvin> Todden, which version of lubuntu?
20:31 < Todden> 18.04
20:31 < Todden> With latest upgrades
20:31 < d1rewolf> Sitri, Psi-Jack, bls, strangely enough, I then deleted /dev/sdb, recreated /dev/sdb1, and now it's working fine as well. I wonder if something was hosed in the partition table, as this forced its recreation?
20:31 < sauvin> For what do you need libicu55 ?
20:31 < Todden> WickrMe
20:32 < d1rewolf> Todden, have you searched for it with apt-file?
20:32 < d1rewolf> hmm...it appears to be missed on my 18.04 as well
20:32 < Todden> No as until right now i had no idea what that is,im self taught and not too good
20:33 < d1rewolf> I wonder if it's in multiverse?
20:33 < lnnb> can you make a symlink to whatever is trying to open libicu55 -> libicu(less-vulnerable-version-numbr)
20:33 < Todden> installing apt-file
20:33 < Todden> lol
20:33 < d1rewolf> Todden, already checked apt-file. it's not there
20:33 < Todden> Ahh,well ill need it
20:34 < Todden> WickrMe is a .deb package,wont install
20:34 < Todden> As for that symlink idea...no idea how to do that or if itll work
20:34 < sauvin> I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and have libicu55 in repos.
20:34 < d1rewolf> Todden, it appears 18.04 packages libicu60 instead of libicu55
20:34 < Todden> Cant you have...both?
20:34 < sauvin> I wouldn't recommend it.
20:35 < d1rewolf> you could *try* installing libicu60 and then creating a simlink to the file it wants
20:35 < d1rewolf> but no guarantees
20:35 < d1rewolf> it *probably* won't work
20:35 < lnnb> ln -s libicu(up-to-date-number) /usr/lib/libicu55.so (i think, i don't know what the path should actually be)
20:35 < electrosys> anyone using mutt with hotmail/outlook? How are you moving emails from one folder to another. I did an IMAP sync without any folder transliteration. So I have INBOX, INBOX.Myfolder, and i have a cur, new, tmp in each of those folders.
20:35 < Todden> I do need this program
20:36 < Todden> So having both of them at the same time is something im open to,even if it adds a security hole or w/e
20:36 < d1rewolf> Todden, what's it do?
20:36 < Todden> Its a secure comms app
20:36 < Todden> And someone i speak to uses it exclusively,someone important to me
20:36 < Todden> And I'd honestly like to talk to them in bed,but my desktop is in the front room and this laptop is for the bedroom
20:36 < d1rewolf> Todden, one way: run an ubuntu 16.04 vm in virtualbox
20:36 < Todden> Dude this laptop is so bad it can barely run lubuntu
20:37 < d1rewolf> hmmm
20:37 < Todden> Let alone another linux distro inside itself just for 1 program
20:37 < Todden> I just need 1 package,libicu55....or that symlink idea?
20:38 < d1rewolf> Todden, yep
20:38 < d1rewolf> you can try to download it from the 16.04 and force install it
20:38 < Todden> How do i do that,im googling and i cant seem to find it
20:38 < Todden> Or just add a repo with it in
20:39 < Todden> may have found it,somewhere
20:39 < Todden> unnecessarily complicated to get 1 package lol
20:39 < d1rewolf> Todden, good luck, I have to run but hope you work it out ;-)
20:40 < TheWild> hey, is there a limit for ramfs?
20:40 < lnnb> TheWild: until it runs out of memory
20:40 < Todden> think i got it
20:40 < Todden> but itll probably have a dependacy of a goat sacrifice or something
20:41 < TheWild> I still have 7 GB of free RAM.
20:41 < TheWild> "The disk hosting /tmp/ramfs/git/github.com/composer/composer/vendor is full, this may be the cause of the following exception"
20:41 < TheWild> never mind, maybe it's just composer's exception handling
20:41 < Todden> Wish i had 7gb of spare ram
20:41 < Psi-Jack> heh, I still have 10GB available RAM, (Free is 2.5GB)
20:42 < Todden> I need to start my new job to be able to afford another stick for my desktop,atm im running W10 off 8gb and its tight(With how I run my PC,thats tight)
20:42 < lnnb> is it actually mounted as a ramfs, or is it a tmpfs?
20:42 < TheWild> ramfs
20:43 < Todden> Whats the thing to leave a message for someone,the bot..i forgot
20:43 < Todden> I wanna tell direwolf i did get it
20:44 < d1rewolf> Todden, ha...I'm here-ish ;-) Just focusing on other frames ;)
20:44 < d1rewolf> glad to hear it though...what worked?
20:47 < Todden> I got it from security.ubuntu.com or something
20:47 < Todden> I cant recall,installed it alongside the 60 one despite it being a "bad idea" for some reason...then wickr installed
20:48 < Todden> Now combined with google hangouts,which allows me to phone the US for free from the UK,i can chat in bed
20:49 < Todden> I could do with an IRC client though...best one for lubuntu(I've just installed i3-gaps and plan to make my OS look pretty)
20:49 < Todden> Ideas?
20:56 < Psi-Jack> :q
20:56  * Psi-Jack notes, this is not vim.
20:57 < ambicion> vim needs an upgrade.
20:57 < nchambers> ctrl x
20:57 < nchambers> it doesn't appear to be nano as well
20:58 < solidfox> ambicion, vim is the upgrade
20:59 < solidfox> ambicion, vim is "Vi improved"
20:59 < ambicion> yeah but it's always updated the same way.
20:59 < m1n> did you try vim IMproved?
20:59 < m1n> vimim
21:00 < notmike> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-22/portion-of-kentucky-bourbon-warehouse-collapses
21:00 < ambicion> Naw, I need the overwrite confirmation from the 'save as' option.
21:00 < pnbeast> ambicion, this may just be a rumor, but I heard there's a website where you can actually download the *source* code to vim and update it however you want.  Don't tell anyone I let the secret out.
21:01 < ambicion> Yeah I know.  It's clever that it has a nice layout.
21:01 < nchambers> pnbeast: no way
21:01 < pnbeast> It could just be a rumor.
21:01 < m1n> ambicion, what you talkin bout willis https://asciinema.org/a/dVypSCjrykT5XrS0lvNZVx0KE
21:03 < ambicion> quick hack...
21:04 < jan6> uh, hello....I have a graphic tablet problem, not a fancy wacom or anything, but it's just not working? it appears in /dev/input/by-path as a mouse, but doesn't move the cursor a single pixel...windows 7 detects it fine with no drivers, but also draws a lot more power than linux, and is slower overall...
21:05 < jan6> I'm confused by it appearing, but not working...
21:09 < Pentode> jan6, what desktop environment are you using? sometimes in pointer / mouse options there is the ability to enable or disable a HID.
21:09 < Pentode> just a thought.
21:11 < jan6> gnome
21:12 < Evidlo> also what tablet
21:12 < jan6> https://trust.com/en/product/21259-flex-design-tablet-black
21:13 < jan6> it worked fine without any special driver in win7
21:15 < Evidlo> maybe try looking at this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TabletSetupWizardpen
21:15 < jim> jan6, I wonder if you can get any additional information about the tablet on ##hardware
21:15 < jan6> what info?
21:16 < jim> well obviously the ultimate question is how to get it working...
21:16 < lnnb> if you cat the device event node(s) does it output any events?
21:16 < jim> there's also a program called xev
21:17 < jan6> it does
21:18 < jim> maybe the event driver doesn't understand its output?
21:18 < jan6> idk
21:19 < lnnb> something in your $de_stack is to blame probably
21:19 < nibble_zero> +
21:19 < Evidlo> did you try method 1 in the page I linked?
21:21 < jan6> Idk if it's a good idea to mix old ubuntu and new debian
21:22 < Pentode> your ppa will have it's own version of the package
21:22 < Pentode> it wont "mix" anything
21:22 < Pentode> just figure out where it is
21:23 < hans_> dayum https://paste.ubuntu.com/26421778/
21:23 < hans_> > Kernel build times have increased by 50%; prior to the mitigations build times averaged at around 3.5 hours, whereas they are now averaging 5 hours.
21:24 < hans_> (with/without spectre/meltdown protections)
21:24 < Pentode> yeah its bull isn't it
21:26 < SuperSeriousCat> What do you build kernel at? For me on my 2011 laptop it is not even 30 min...
21:27 < jan6> E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/doctormo/xorg-wizardpen/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
21:27 < jan6> N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
21:27 < Pentode> jan6, just download the source and build it. odds are its never going to work, though, since you don't want to try anyones suggestions.
21:27 < hexnewbie> SuperSeriousCat: It takes a pretty long time if you use your distro's config, and forget to use -jX
21:27 < lnnb> sounds like a full build using a single core
21:27 < jan6> what do you mean "don't want to try" ?
21:27 < jan6> Pentode: ^
21:28 < SuperSeriousCat> Ah. So lots of useless drivers you'll never use. Smart
21:28 < Pentode> https://launchpad.net/wizardpen
21:29 < hexnewbie> SuperSeriousCat: It takes much less time than figuring out which one to deselect, or why some weird dongle doesn't work and which strange module it requires, or why systemd doesn't work on your computer, or why your kernel is unbootable under QEMU due to bugs that Debian refuses to fix.
21:29 < jan6> and yeah, pretty much guaranteed that an old (last announcement was 2011 on the launchpad page) driver ain't gonna work on the latest debian, just because of the time-gap
21:30 < Pentode> jan6, downloading a package from an old repository related to some human interface device is probably not going to affect your machines security but if you want to be super paranoid that is your choice. ;)
21:30 < jan6> well, I'll try
21:30 < Pentode> just _try_ it. you may be surprised (things dont change as fast as you think)
21:31 < SuperSeriousCat> Not with a nice wiki page that tell you the options needed, hexnewbie. And it dont take long to deselect most drivers
21:31 < jan6> but last time I tried something like that, it didn't work, and brought quite some things needed to compile, that I had to uninstall
21:32 < hexnewbie> SuperSeriousCat: Even if we did all that, when you need to insert a dongle during a business trip, recompiling the module just for it is quite annoying.
21:32 < Pentode> jan6, there are other routes to try on that page though also
21:32 < jim> jan6, what dist is this?
21:32 < Pentode> thats not the only one, though i haven't looked at them
21:32 < bb36e> are there multiple competing wayland implementations right now?
21:32 < SuperSeriousCat> Edge case for most users
21:32 < jan6> debian 9 (testing, but that doesn't change much)
21:33 < SuperSeriousCat> But then again most dont compile their own kernel
21:33 < jim> jan6, so you got debian 9 when it was testing? (it's stable now, you could upgrade it if you want)
21:34 < seydar> i'm having some trouble getting postfix to do useful spam filtering. main.cf: https://justpaste.it/6m1kx a) a small fraction of spam gets marked, but still delivered to my account, b) i still get a ton of spam, and c) emails from gmail get returned as undeliverable
21:34 < jan6> well, got 9, and then upgraded to rolling testing
21:34 < Pentode> jan6, did you ever check gnome's input devices options to see if its listed / enabled?
21:34 < jan6> so 10 testing then? idk
21:34 < Pentode> i realize thats probably not the problem (they are always enabled by default) but you never know
21:34 < jim> oh ok
21:34 < SuperSeriousCat> Debian 9 with unstable/testing repo
21:35 < jan6> idk where the input devices list would be, because I can't find it, plus the menu changed a lot
21:35 < Pentode> not sure either, i use xfce. im assuming it even has one, maybe it doesnt. *shrug*
21:35 < jim> compiling packages in debian is pretty easy, you should do that before you dip into versions of debian you're not currently running
21:37 < hexnewbie> seydar: Gmail servers often end up in blacklists, which is why I use spamassassin, which uses a score of multiple criteria that 1) catch more spam, 2) don't reject any blacklisted IP (e.g. gmail) outright, and 3) put my spam in the Junk folder, so I can look for legitimate mail at the end of the day
21:37 < jan6> let's see if it at least manages to auto-configure now
21:37 < jan6> aftewr restart
21:37 < jim> (and also in general, you should be careful as to what things you install from sources other than debian, you could cause damage, either to your installation itself, or to your package dependency tree)
21:37 < jan6> I know
21:38 < jan6> I don't have any precious data though, so I can reinstall pretty quickly
21:38 < jim> ok, good enough :)
21:38 < SuperSeriousCat> Debian testing is an official Debian repo
21:38 < jim> yep
21:39 < sauvin> Also: don't mix *versions*. If you're running a stable debian but have included testing repos, you're asking for trouble.
21:39 < nchambers> can someone remind me where the ubuntu dictionary text file is located?
21:39 < seydar> hexnewbie: okay, so i'm gonna skip the rbl parts then. my spamassassin doesn't seem to be configured correctly then, because there's a lot of stuff that it doesn't catch. /etc/spamassassin/local.cf: https://justpaste.it/6lyne
21:41 < Pentode> nchambers, /usr/share/dict/ maybe?
21:41 < seydar> hexnewbie: i'm using mutt, if that matters. it sounds like i need to set up a separate junk folder
21:41 < nchambers> nothing in there unfortunately :/
21:41 < Pentode> do you have the package installed? i believe there _is_ one
21:41 < nchambers> ah it needs a package? that makes sense
21:41 < Pentode> apt-cache says: wamerican - American English dictionary words for /usr/share/dict
21:42 < nchambers> thanks
21:44 < jan6> obviously stuff doesn't work, because in 7 years, at least one path is guaranteed to change
21:44 < jan6> no /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d anymore
21:44 < hexnewbie> seydar: I've used sa-learn to train the Bayes filtering of SA for years, I do have pyzor/razor installed (I don't remember what they were, since I configured this mail server ages ago), and I haven't touched almost any of SA's options themselves, except for whitelisting friends and blacklisting predatory publishing companies that write me 10 times a day.  Note that since I removed my rbl parts from Postfix's config, I get four times more
21:44 < hexnewbie> messages in the Junk folder (but not in my INBOX), so they do have a significant effect. I just can't accept missing emails, especially when gmail gets in a black list.
21:44 < Pentode> hrmph
21:45 < hexnewbie> The Bayes learning should generally only affect borderline messages, though.
21:46 < seydar> a lot of the spam i get doesn't reach the requisite threshold to be labeled as spam
21:46 < alexandre9099> hi, i can't umount my partition, how can i see what process is reading/writing to the disk?
21:47 < hexnewbie> seydar: Do you have an example message (your servers details removed), with the relevant Spam headers? Or just the spam headers?
21:47 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: lsof -n -P /path/to/mountpoint
21:47 < Pentode> jan6, does it appear in the list of devices when you invoke xinput?
21:47 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, thanks :)
21:47 < jan6> apparently there is another path where the file exists, so let's see if it does anything
21:48 < Pentode> jan6, if so try: xinput enable idnumber
21:48 < jan6> it's not in xinput
21:48 < seydar> hexnewbie: welp gonna have to wait a little for some more spam since i just deleted them all
21:49 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Also fuser -vm /path/to/mountpoint
21:49 < Pentode> hmm
21:50 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, which one is *better*?
21:51 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: I like lsof more, but I think fuser is standard POSIX (and may be faster, which I don't know for sure)
21:51 < alexandre9099> hexnewbie, i see, thanks :)
21:51 < hexnewbie> alexandre9099: Nope, it is not faster. They use the exact same method to get the information.
21:51 < alexandre9099> XD
21:52 < alexandre9099> so, i'm trying to *steal* space from an ntfs partition to ext4, but gparted says that it can't read the contents of the filesystem, i already have ntfs-3g
21:54 < jim> alexandre9099, steal space? do you want to shrink the ntfs filesystem so you can then shrink the partition?
21:54 < alexandre9099> yes
21:55 < jim> do you have windows installed?
21:55 < Pentode> you may have to use windows to shrink that partition. will linux's ntfs module even be able to do that?
21:55 < alexandre9099> no longer (i installed it on a VM with gpu passtrough)
21:56 < jim> oh ok... what reason do you have to keep an ntfs partition?
21:56 < alexandre9099> i still have data there :D
21:57 < Pentode> move the data somewhere else, then make up a different partition scheme that'll work for you
21:57 < jim> ok, that's a good reason to have the storage for files... does it matter to you what the details are?
21:57 < jim> also how big is that partition?
21:58 < TheWild> what caveats I should know about (what could go wrong) before attempting to implement IPC using standard input/output (possibly binary)?
21:58 < alexandre9099> jim, ntfs 505GB ext4 425GB (disk is 1TB)
21:58 < seydar> hexnewbie: here's an example header of ham https://justpaste.it/6jx0p
21:59 < alexandre9099> ntfs has near 200GB free, ext4 is full
21:59 < jim> ok... do you happen to have a 500 or maybe 750g drive laying around you can hook up?
22:00 < alexandre9099> hmm, yeah, i got an external usb3.0 HDD, but that would take a while to copy everything, can't gparted (or other tool) resize the ntfs partition?
22:00 < jim> you just have linux? and do you intend to use windows again?
22:00 < alexandre9099> now i only have linux, i had dualboot, but rebooting and losing all the good stuff about linux was a no go to me :D
22:01 < Pentode> jim, maybe he can use ntfsresize?
22:01 < jim> Pentode, oh! you mean there's an actual tool for that? yeah, I think I remember something like that
22:01 < Pentode> yeah i just looked, apparently there is.
22:02 < alexandre9099> i remember that gparted could resize the partition, but now it is not working allowing me
22:02 < jim> alexandre9099, well Pentode suggests a tool called ntfsresize
22:03 < alexandre9099> i'll take a look at it, i was looking into a more *noob friendly* (i don't really want to mess with the partition table :D) but ntfsresize might do exactly what i want
22:04 < jim> alexandre9099, do you want to try LVM?
22:05 < alexandre9099> i think that's what i have on antergos laptop (either i'm noob or it is a PITA to reconfigure :D)
22:05 < alexandre9099> cause ext4 can't be resized online
22:05 < Psi-Jack> Yes it can.
22:06 < jim> with LVM, instead of putting filesystems in partitions directly, you put "LVM physical volumes" in partitions, then you make a volume group, and put physical volumes in the volume groups, then you can make "logical volumes", and these are allocated out of the volume groups
22:06 < alexandre9099> IIRC i came here to ask and a while ago someone said that ext4 can't be shrunk online
22:06 < lnnb> TheWild: most important i think would be that libc might do unexpected things behind your back, e.g. glibc will buffer data if stdout is a pipe. so you might have to set stdio buffer mode
22:07 < Psi-Jack> alexandre9099: Shrunk, no, Grown, yes.
22:07 < sauvin> I think you may have to boot into Windows and do an fsck (forgot what Windows calls it, something like chkdsk maybe?) and a defrag.
22:07 < Psi-Jack> But, if you're trying to shrink a filesystem, you planned it and made it wrong to begin with. :)
22:07 < lnnb> by default if it's a tty it is line buffered
22:08 < sauvin> Ah, coulda shoulda woulda, ain't never purty. Gotta just go with what ya got.
22:08 < alexandre9099> sauvin, yeah, maybe that's why gparted is complaining, anyway, i'll try netfresize
22:08 < sauvin> alexandre9099, I strongly recommend an fsck first.
22:08 < alexandre9099> Psi-Jack, well, i tought that i would not need much space on home dir, so i assigned more to system :D
22:08 < sauvin> Psi-Jack, do you remember what Windows calls its fsck?
22:09 < Psi-Jack> chkdsk
22:09 < sauvin> Well, I'll be blued, glued, screwed and tattooed!
22:09  * Psi-Jack gets out the tattoo gun.
22:10 < alexandre9099> sauvin, tbh the data is not that important (some *totally legal* games), but i don't like deleting stuff :D
22:10  * Psi-Jack gets the blue pain and glue, too.
22:10 < Psi-Jack> s/pain/paint/
22:10 < Psi-Jack> ...
22:11 < TheWild> hmm... I've been puzzled in the past. The programs that are supposed to process text behave like they do some kind of line-buffering (the line doesn't go to the other program until end of line is reached) when the "sink" is tty... or maybe because the immediate output is tty.
22:11 < sauvin> alexandre9099, so you understand the risk. It gets to be SO tiring after a while listening to people complain that * ate their data when it could have been prevented.
22:11 < alexandre9099> sauvin, yes, "☑ i understand the risks"
22:12 < alexandre9099> oh, gr8 "ERROR: NTFS is inconsistent. Run chkdsk /f on Windows then reboot it TWICE!"
22:12 < alexandre9099> there is that tempting -f flag, but i guess i don't want to take that much risk :D
22:12 < TheWild> One day I came into a trouble. A (the "host") was supposed to communicate with B (the "guest"). I couldn't figure out why the program B accepts only little data and hangs. Pointed out that B produced some output that A was supposed to read before sending new data to B.
22:12 < alexandre9099> can i just pass a disk to the VM?
22:13 < alexandre9099> (using libvirt qemu )
22:13 < TheWild> even if A didn't care about the data coming from B, it had to read it anyway
22:13 < TheWild> without a good guide it's easy to screw thing up
22:16 < lnnb> TheWild: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Stream-Buffering.html#Stream-Buffering
22:20 < TheWild> thanks lnnb
22:21 < TheWild> oh, and I have one more question. Is that program can only have one input (stdin) and two outputs (stdout, stderr)?
22:22 < nchambers> a program can have many inputs and outputs. stdin, stdout, and stderr are just common ones
22:22 < revel> You can read from/write to regular files and have other kinds of output as well.
22:22 < nchambers> /tied to specific things
22:23 < TheWild> okay then, I'll go to hunt for more information. Thanks nchambers
22:30 < Henry151> hey guys
22:30 < Henry151> I have a simple question about ssh stuff
22:31 < lnnb> TheWild: std{in,out,err} are c language concepts. if you're using write systemcall directly on the file descriptor instead of the standard C "stdio" functions  like printf, fprintf, etc  then nothing will be buffered
22:31 < jim> Henry151, ask away
22:31 < nchambers> lnnb: they're more than C concepts
22:31 < Henry151> in my /etc/sshd_config I have set PasswordAuthentication: no and PubkeyAuthentication: yes and yet when I try to ssh in, it still asks me for my password
22:32 < Henry151> what am i missing?
22:32 < nchambers> did you restart ssh?
22:32 < Henry151> oh, no i didn't
22:32 < Henry151> that's probably all.
22:32 < nchambers> that would be my guess
22:32 < jim> Henry151, it looks like your ssh key isn't working for some reason
22:33 < Henry151> so on debian 9, probably the best thing to do would be "systemctl restart ssh" right?
22:33 < nchambers> i usually do service ssh reload, but I'm on ubuntu
22:33 < jim> so you can get in with an ssh key?
22:34 < jim> I'd hold off until you know you can do that first
22:34 < Henry151> got it working
22:34 < jim> turn password auth on for a bit while you get your keys working
22:34 < jim> oh, you did?
22:35 < Henry151> it's ok, it was a brand new machine i just spun up, so nothing to lose access to -- and it worked once i restarted ssh and added the correct key to authorized_keys (i had the wrong one there! oops!)
22:35 < lnnb> s/c language/fortran language/
22:35 < Henry151> lucky i didn't lock myself out tho indeed
22:35 < Henry151> i get super mixed up by all my ssh keys
22:36 < Henry151> like this server i am speaking to you through now, the "authorized_keys" file has like 26 different keys there, for all my laptops, other VPSs, my tablet, etc
22:36 < Henry151> i have just too many
22:36 < jim> Henry151, if you can get in as root over ssh, you're good... if you have sudo set up, and you can sudo -i and get a # prompt, you're good...
22:37 < Henry151> yeah i just kept one window open logged in as root while i tampered with it
22:37 < Henry151> and now it works
22:37 < jim> if you can get in as plain user and you can su to root, you're good
22:37 < nchambers> lnnb: try 'unix'
22:37 < nchambers> > Another Unix breakthrough was to automatically associate input and output to terminal keyboard and terminal display, respectively, by default
22:37 < nchambers> languages support it because operating systems do
22:38 < Henry151> this guy on my facebook today is like "reinstalling windows on my laptop because it was running super slow... #geek-life"
22:38 < lnnb> Fortran has the equivalent of Unix file descriptors: By convention, many Fortran implementations use unit numbers UNIT=5 for stdin, UNIT=6 for stdout and UNIT=0 for stderr. In Fortran-2003, the intrinsic ISO_FORTRAN_ENV module was standardized to include the named constants INPUT_UNIT, OUTPUT_UNIT, and ERROR_UNIT to portably specify the unit numbers.
22:38 < Henry151> XD
22:38 < nchambers> yes, the 'equivalent of unix file descriptors'
22:38 < nchambers> it doesn't say it invented those
22:38 < nchambers> just adopted support for the concept
22:39 < lnnb> point is, it doesn't matter in context to what i said
22:39 < Henry151> so now that i got my ssh stuff working properly
22:39 < nchambers> the point is, its wrong to call it a 'c language concept' :)
22:39 < lnnb> that's why i corrected it to a fortran concept
22:39 < Henry151> i'm actually trying to install https://github.com/iovisor/bcc
22:39 < lnnb> ;^)
22:39 < nchambers> its not a fortran concept either
22:39 < lnnb> it is though i just proved it
22:40 < nchambers> its not
22:40 < lnnb> k
22:40 < Henry151> i've been having a hell of a time with it, I can't get it to compile
22:40 < nchambers> you didn't
22:40 < lnnb> whatever you want to believe
22:40 < nchambers> its not an opinion though
22:40 < lnnb> k
22:40 < nchambers> it clearly states fortran has the equivalent of stdin, stdout, and stderr
22:40 < nchambers> so not sure where you got the idea they invented them
22:40 < lnnb> fortran predates unix
22:40 < nchambers> iirelevant
22:40 < lnnb> k
22:41  * nchambers sighs
22:41 < jan6> old stuff didn't help my new tablet
22:42 < jan6> mostly because I couldn't figure out xorg.conf
22:42 < Henry151> i've been trying for a few days now to successfully follow the installation instructions here: https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/INSTALL.md
22:43 < Henry151> so now I'm trying on a brand-new VPS to try to get the hang of it before I keep trying to install it on already-running-systems.
22:44 < Henry151> when I run "debuild -b -uc -us" it gets most of the way through, but hangs up on the tests toward the end (specifically test 15) and just stops, and if I kill it, it hasn't made a .deb file yet, so i can't actually install
22:44 < Henry151> i'm logging the output of debuild right now to show you guys
22:44 < Henry151> anybody who can help i will greatly appreciate :)
22:46 < Henry151> i checked the kernel configuration, all the correct flags are set; i added the non-free repositories to my sources.list; i installed successfully all dependencies and updated the kernel and linux-base package; i can't figure out what i'm missing.
22:48 < Henry151> i also don't understand why bcc-tools is not offered in a binary form for debian
22:48 < Henry151> why must i build from source
22:49 < Henry151> it's not fair
22:49 < Henry151> what did i do in some past life to deserve this suffering in this one
22:50 < Henry151> and yep, it has stopped at test 15 and is just sitting there
22:51 < Henry151> anyway if anybody will pretty-please take a look at this: http://termbin.com/yxvr and help me figure out what i'm missing
22:57 < Henry151> well i also popped into #debian to ask for help with this but no help there either :/ I realize the termbin link is a huge wall of text but if anybody here can help me i will be super happy about it :)
22:58 < ikonia> Henry151: you'd probably get help if you waited longer than 5 minutes
22:59 < triceratux> Henry151: it does look like its hanging on a particular test that essentially noones run into. could be a good thing https://www.google.com/search?q="py_test_brb"
23:03 < Henry151> triceratux: thanks... i'm writing up a github issue now
23:03 < lnnb> eek that's a lot of warnings
23:08 < lnnb> two things that seem strange, it says --with python2,python3   should this only be using a single version of python?   it's using gcc and clang ... ?  should you point cc to clang instead of gcc for this build?
23:10 < Todden> You can have multiple java versions why not multiple python versions,just curious
23:10 < Todden> What if one program requires 2.7 another 3.5
23:11 < lnnb> not a python developer, but a few things changed from 2->3
23:11 < alexandre9099> can i just pass a disk to the VM? (i'm using libvirt)
23:12 < Dagmar> s/few/great many/
23:12 < Dagmar> alexandre9099: Do you have a graphical display available to you?
23:13 < Dagmar> Todden: In the world of the professional sysadmid, multiple versions of an interpreter are easy and simply require a little attention paid when building the interpreters
23:13 < alexandre9099> what you mean by *graphical display*? on desktop (where the disk is), i only have one gpu, either i use it for windows (vm) or linux (well, unless i disable the passtrough and enable the spice screen)
23:13 < Dagmar> Todden: In the world of the web developer, it involves setting them up in containers so they can be ignored until someone compromises the machne
23:14 < za1b1tsu> is there a such thing as a stand alone libinput gui?
23:14 < Dagmar> alexandre9099: I ask because virt-manager makes all that stuff _easy_.  Yes, you can just pass an lv to a VM and it will treat it like a "real" disk
23:14 < alexandre9099> hmm, so i can do all the disk managment things?
23:14 < Ajven> hello, how i can run command using other locale setting ?
23:15 < Todden> Dagmar, That...makes it sound like a good thing
23:15 < Todden> Unless i am reading it wrong
23:15 < Dagmar> alexandre9099: You can use ssh tunneling to run virt-manager on the VM host and export the display to your Windows machine, or you can use Cygwin to just run virt-manager on your Windows machine and tell it how to connect to the VM host over ssh
23:15 < notreal-> goddamn you nvidia.....white house should nuke nvidia
23:15 < Dagmar> Todden: Containers being used because developers are lazy is not a good thing
23:15 < alexandre9099> (ayy, i tried to start the vm with nvidia module using the gpu, kernel panic XD)
23:15 < Todden> Ahh
23:16 < Ajven> hello, how i can run command using other locale setting ? - want to paste output in english but im using other locale settings
23:16 < alexandre9099> Dagmar, i only have linux PCs, i have windows in a VM
23:16 < sleepyhead> Ajven: set the relevant environment variables and then run the command. type `locale` to see the current settings
23:16 < Dagmar> The developers have a strong incentive to allow software versions to stagnate until either the network security group is screaming at them to upgrade, or just shutting them down because they got compromised because they didn't upgrade
23:16 < Todden> Dagmar, I was reading the top line really...so it just requires a tiny bit of attention when coding
23:16 < Dagmar> alexandre9099: Okay, so just install virt-manager and try it out then
23:17 < Todden> To specify the correct python build to use
23:17 < Todden> Instead of just "python"
23:17 < Ajven> sleepyhead: this is not that what im looking for there was something like for example "ls -la | LOCALE="en"
23:17 < phinxy> When compiling a kernel module the error appears that a dozen struct members does not exist.  I found where they are declared.  The thing is, they're inside a 'if defined(CONFIG_FB_ROCKCHIP)'.  This is exactly what is turned on in .config..  Why is it not defined in this header?
23:17 < Dagmar> Todden: ...and possibly an environment variable.  Mainly you just adjust your $PATH variable
23:17 < Todden> Dagmar, Linux has PATH same as windows?
23:17 < Dagmar> phinxy: *couhgcough* how did you import your kernel config?
23:17 < arpanet69> hey guys am using eve-ng and want to run client pack for linux but i broke it.... nw i wanna reinstall using apt-get instal eve-ng-integraftion but then i get this message:
23:17 < Dagmar> *jawdrop*
23:17 < phinxy> I copied over .config and Module.symvers from my current kernel
23:17 < arpanet69> [##linux] apt-get instal eve-ng-integraftion but then i get this message:
23:18 < Dagmar> Todden: Yes, we have a $PATH setting.
23:18 < arpanet69>                        
23:18 < arpanet69> [##linux] apt-get instal eve-ng-integraftion but then i get this message:
23:18 < arpanet69> Package eve-ng-integration is not available, but is referred to by another package.
23:18 < arpanet69> srry for duplicates
23:18 < Dagmar> phinky: OKay.  You *don't* need to copy that Module.symvers.
23:18 < arpanet69> how can i fix this?
23:18 < Todden> Also can i get the two commands for first listing tasks from terminal then killing a process
23:18 < Todden> Very new to linux,i havent actually had to kill a hanging process yet they clean themselves up neatly
23:18 < alexandre9099> *i broke nvidia module, gr8*
23:19 < Dagmar> phinxy: Mainly you need to copy that .config somewhere safe, type `make mrproper`, then copy the .config back to the kernel source tree, then run `make oldconfig`.  THEN (because this involves some sanity checks) run `make menuconfig`, look around a bit, and re-save the kernel config
23:19 < Dagmar> phinxy: Skipping the oldconfig step generally results in a config that's not actually sane and can include some symboles _without_ the dependencies also being set
23:20 < Dagmar> phinxy: ...but once the config has been saved out of make menuconfig, it should basically not be able to fail like you're seeing
23:20 < Dagmar> phinxy: You can just `make -j all && make modules` and then the usual modules_install/install mechanisms from there
23:21 < Dagmar> <-- Long time slackware user.  Has build hundreds of kernels from source
23:21 < phinxy> Ive done the steps but not necessarily in that order. mrproper, copy .config to tree (and symvers, make menuconfig enabling CONFIG_FB_ROCKCHIP, make M=drivers/.....
23:21 < trafaret1> hi there
23:21 < Dagmar> oldconfig _needs_ to be invoked when you bring a .config in from a different version of the kernel
23:21 < trafaret1> I need help
23:21 < Umeaboy> Hi!
23:22 < trafaret1> I just updated ubunto from 17 to 18 and my touchpad now not working
23:22 < trafaret1> what shoudl I do
23:22 < trafaret1> any suggestion
23:22 < trafaret1> I'm newbie in linux
23:22 < Umeaboy> If losetup --partscan modem_X-FLASH-ALL-42E5.img says: losetup: modem_X-FLASH-ALL-42E5.img: failed to use device: Device does not exist
23:22 < pnbeast> USB mouse!
23:22 < Umeaboy> How do I solve that?
23:22 < Umeaboy> I want to know what filesystem to mount the img with.
23:23 < trafaret1> pnbeast: not funny it's unsuitable use external mouse instead touchpad
23:23 < Dagmar> That's a good question.  What kind of image is it
23:23 < Dagmar> trafaret1: It'll make life easier while you fix whatever went wrong with the touchpad driver
23:23 < Umeaboy> I made it with Unsin with a modem.sin from the Sony stock rom for Android 8.1.
23:24 < Dagmar> Umeaboy: So, you probably don't need to bother with scanning for partitions.  It's probably just a freakin' filesystem
23:24 < Dagmar> Umeaboy: Pretend you know nothing, and just try to mount it
23:24 < Dagmar> Don't bother with losetup.
23:24 < Umeaboy> trafaret1: Have you installed all the updates in Update Manager?
23:24 < pnbeast> trafaret1, okay.  Does dmesg see your mouse, someplace?
23:26 < Dagmar> Umeaboy: Note that if it's a sane filesystem image, you don't need to specify _any_ options.  The machine will just "figger it out"
23:26 < Umeaboy> Done.
23:26 < Dagmar> Umeaboy: i.e., mount blahblah.img /mnt/mymodemstuff
23:26 < Umeaboy> It mounted.
23:26 < Dagmar> wh0rd
23:26 < Dagmar> I was just looking at at forum post about that tool
23:27 < Umeaboy> However I can't see the .mbn file I'm supposed to get.
23:27 < Umeaboy> I use XperiFirm to download the stock rom.
23:27 < Dagmar> It's not inside the filesystem?
23:27 < Dagmar> You *might* have extracted the wrong filesystem
23:27 < Dagmar> What piece are you trying to get at?
23:28 < Umeaboy> I did a search inside of the mounted system.ext4 that I made with Unsin.exe in Windows.
23:28 < Dagmar> There can (no joke) be about 20 different filesystems in those things
23:28 < Umeaboy> I need a modem file according to the build error for Lineage.
23:28 < Dagmar> Ahh
23:28 < Umeaboy> A modem based in Austria.
23:29 < Dagmar> Er that's more to do with the PRL than the modem
23:29 < Umeaboy> Yeah.
23:30 < Dagmar> If the phone is actually working, if you have root you can just pull it from the mounted filesystem using adb shell or something, but there's not much stopping you from yanking it out of a compatible Linage image
23:30 < Dagmar> The fascination with three-letter extentions in the phone modding crowd doesn't make me happy
23:31 < Dagmar> It sounds like you're digging for a firmware image for the modem
23:31 < Dagmar> yes, they get a chunk of binary blob uploaded into them by the phone at boot time (just like WinModems) that provides the code it needs to actually understand the (LOL) AT commands they're driven by
23:32 < Dagmar> I couldn't believe that freakin modern cell phones are still using AT commands internally
23:33 < Dagmar> Life would be much easier if these people would just say "firmware blob for modem" and "driver module for modem" instead of using a TLA and hoping everyone else knows
23:34 < Henry151> Dagmar: I had a lot of fun sending AT commands from my 3G modem on my panasonic toughbook to do an over-the-air-activation to use it with verizon
23:35 < Henry151> took me like 6 weeks to get it working, and another 2 weeks to determine that it was useless and cancel the extra line on my verizon account :D
23:36 < Dagmar> Sounds about right
23:36 < Dagmar> I have spent a LOT of the last two years basically climbing around inside multiple cell phones, learning how all this stuff works now
23:37 < phinxy> “Modules.symvers is missing, modules will have no dependencies and modversions”
23:37 < Dagmar> I was very unamused to see all the talk of PIT files
23:37 < Henry151> it was a great learning experience, though. And super satisfying, after having four different tech-support guys from Verizon tell me that it was impossible, that I'd have to install windows, install their VZAccesManager software, and use that to do the over-the-air-activation
23:37 < Dagmar> phinkxy: That should be generated at some point in either `make all` or `make modules`
23:37 < Dagmar> phinxy: ...or it was actually a part of the source tarball you should not have deleted
23:38 < Dagmar> Henry151: Rule #1.  Anyone you can get on the phone directly at a cell service provider doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground
23:39 < Henry151> here's a general question I'm really curious about: when I run a command followed by &> logfile.text, and somewhere in the command I'm running it has "sudo" and asks me for my password, how does the "[sudo] password for henry:" escape from being sent to that errorlog file?
23:39 < phinxy> I'm tempted to comment out the definition check in the .c file
23:40 < Henry151> i thought &> should redirect all the output of any sort but somehow it still prints to my terminal "[sudo
23:40 < Dagmar> Henry151: Sudo is _very_ hostile towards the idea someone might attempt to run it under something else.  Unless configured explcitly to not do so, it will basically tell you to bugger off if it's not listening to an actual tty.
23:40 < Dagmar> Henry151: So basically, it doesn't write that prompt to stdout.  It goes straight at the tty
23:41 < Henry151> interesting
23:41 < Dagmar> Henry151: You should probably consider adding a more specific stanza to sudoers.conf that lets you bypass a password prompt for that specific command
23:42 < Henry151> in the guidance here https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/blob/master/INSTALL.md which is what I'm following when I encounter that, it does say to add a "build-user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
23:42 < Henry151> to the sudoers file
23:42 < Henry151> which I didn't do, i did the "latter configuration" build-user ALL = (ALL) ALL so it does prompt me for a password
23:43 < Dagmar> yeah that was damn lazy of them
23:43 < Dagmar> Don't even get me started on the unpleasant things they're doing in the build process
23:43 < Roey> hi, anyone here using Ubuntu?   running "modprobe nvidia" gives me: modprobe: FATAL: Module nvidia not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-23-generic.  Before this, I ran the command apt-get install nvidia-390.  What gives?  I'm trying to figure out why the nvidia-390 package did not lay down an nvidia.ko under /lib/modules for this current kernel like it did for other kernels
23:44 < Dagmar> It works.  That's good enough for now
23:44 < Henry151> Dagmar: well, it doesn't work, actually :)
23:44 < Dagmar> Roey: did you run `depmod -a`
23:44 < Roey> oooh lemme try that..
23:44 < Dagmar> Henry151: Well, it _works_ when the insanity has been beaten out of it and it's been set up correctly
23:44 < Henry151> i've opened an issue on github for help with it https://github.com/iovisor/bcc/issues/1849
23:44 < Roey> Dagmar: I did now, got no output
23:44 < Henry151> i did get bcc tools working by doing their docker thing
23:45 < [R]> Roey: it doent generate it for the current kerenl
23:45 < Roey> Dagmar: I can't find nvidia.ko in /lib/modules for my current kernel
23:45 < Dagmar> Henry151: If it makes you feel any better, I know my s**t ridiculously well, and it *still* took me a week to get a damn build environment running properly
23:45 < Henry151> but i want it installed directly on the host not running in a docker container
23:45 < [R]> Roey: it generates it fro the latest kernel
23:45 < arpanet69> omg ..... linux sometime frustrates me like hell... just want to remove a package and reinstall it.... busy with it for two days!!!
23:45 < [R]> Roey: sounds like you already did an update an updated the latest kernel to not be the current kernel
23:45 < Roey> [R]: oh.. ok.  That's just 390 or 384 as well?  because when I tried to install 384 it didn't do it either
23:45 < [R]> Roey: any kernel module behaes this way
23:45 < Roey> [R]: ok, so how do I overcome this?  Go back a kernel level?
23:45 < Dagmar> Henry151: That's basically why it took me a week
23:45 < [R]> reeboot
23:45 < Roey> or use the commerical driver
23:45 < Henry151> I don't know my shit all that well but I am never afraid to jump off the high-diving board into the depths of the ocean
23:45 < Roey> [R]: I've tried rebooting
23:45 < Dagmar> I was not about to install a bloody container for that
23:46 < Roey> [R]: this is what I got.
23:46 < Dagmar> That's just _silly_
23:46 < Roey> ur face is just _silly_
23:46  * Roey ducks
23:46 < [R]> Roey: do a full apt upgrade
23:46 < Dagmar> Pfft
23:46 < [R]> Roey: then reboot
23:46 < Roey> [R]: there's nothing to update, it says.
23:46 < [R]> uninstall and reinstall the nvidia
23:46 < Roey> [R]: like I said I cannot find an nvidia.ko in /lib/modules/ for the current running kernel
23:46 < Dagmar> Roey: Then you should be good to go after a reboot
23:47 < Henry151> i'm now running my debuild command inside a stacktrace command to see how that looks, though I've never run strace before at all and have no idea what i'm doing
23:47 < Dagmar> Roey: The unofficial debs for that do actually work
23:47 < [R]> Roey: as i already told you, the current kernel is irrelevent
23:47 < Roey> [R]: I've tried apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-390; apt-get remove --purge nvidia-390 ; apt-get install nvidia-390; etc.
23:47 < [R]> if you're booting not the latest
23:47 < Dagmar> ...as long as you're using a card that can use the latest um... version group?
23:47 < [R]> you'll see taht
23:47 < Dagmar> 390 sounds like it's in the most recent group
23:47 < Roey> Dagmar: well yeah it's in the repo
23:47 < Roey> (I did not install the commercial binary)
23:47 < Dagmar> If you have like, an nVidia 5200 or something, you'd need a considerably older version of the driver
23:48 < Dagmar> Roey: The one in the repo is a repackaged version that requires less compiling to happen
23:48 < Roey> Dagmar: ok
23:48 < Dagmar> nVidia was nice to us ther
23:48 < Roey> hmm.  I do need to make that nvidia.ko available in my kernel tree
23:48 < Dagmar> They're allowing distributions to build the package for their users so it can just be installed as a package
23:49 < Dagmar> Without that everyone would be shipping a package that would have the half-compiled kernel source as a dependency, including the entire build toolchain, and things would get messy
23:49 < Roey> ok
23:49 < Dagmar> Folks might as well just get the .run file from nVidia at that point
23:50 < Dagmar> I don't think even nVidia was very happy about that mess with the distros that _don't_ install the toolchain and compile headers
23:50 < Roey> opk
23:50 < Roey> *ok
23:52 < Henry151> i ran the debuild command with strace and get this: http://termbin.com/awo7 but it's not really helping me comprehend what the problem is
23:52 < Henry151> at the end it says "0x7ffc8f259530, 0, NULL)   = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted if SA_RESTART is set)
23:52 < Henry151> --- SIGWINCH {si_signo=SIGWINCH, si_code=SI_KERNEL} ---
23:52 < Henry151> wait4(25421, "
23:52 < Dagmar> You are trying to read a newspaper with an electron microscope
23:52 < Dagmar> strace is not your friend for that
23:53 < Henry151> A newspaper in a foreign language; and I still haven't learned my ABCs.
23:53 < lnnb> you probably want strace -f
23:53 < Dagmar> I mean that strace is going to show you what the main part is doing, but at a level that is basically meaningless to you
23:54 < Dagmar> The build process is basically a large and teetering pile of shell scripts and makefiles
23:54 < Henry151> lnnb: trying it now :)
23:54 < Dagmar> You need to see *those* commands. You don't care that most of them start with open(1, EBLERPYDERP)
23:55 < Henry151> Dagmar: yeah, I mean I can barely grasp the concepts of what the program does when it works correctly, let alone how it is built
23:55 < Henry151> i didn't really want to build it from source, I just want to use it on debian and they don't offer it in binary form for debian
23:55 < Henry151> frustrating.
23:55 < Dagmar> Anything that's a shell script you can make slightly more visible by invoking it with `bash -x scriptname` instead of `./scriptname`
23:56 < Dagmar> make has similar functionality I can't remember a hting about at the moment
23:56 < Dagmar> strace is a thing you use when you have a *compiled* binary and you need to follow wtf is going on inside it
23:56 < Dagmar> It's perfectly worthless for scripts/interpreters
23:57 < Dagmar> Hence the newspaper and electron microscope analogy
23:57 < Dagmar> Seeing the interconnected fibers in the paper will not help you solve the sudoku
23:58 < Henry151> i am concerned that I may forget why i wanted to install bcc-tools by the time I get it installed
23:58 < Dagmar> haha
23:58 < Dagmar> Get some stickynotes and maintain a "stack" along the righthand edge of your monitor
23:59 < Dagmar> That's how I used to keep track of where i was building GNOME's 200+ packages
23:59 < Henry151> it has these really cool things like execsnoop and opensnoop and ttysnoop that I feel would just be really great for watching what things are doing
23:59 < Henry151> i have no idea what i'm doing
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