--- Log opened Wed Jul 04 00:00:16 2018
--- Day changed Wed Jul 04 2018
00:00 < aBound> Anyone using Unity on Ubuntu 18.04? I know it's still in the repositories.
00:00 < dannylee> 8-)
00:00 < aBound> :P
00:09 < searedvandal> doesn't seem like something a lot of people would do, even if it's still possible and rather easy to do
00:10 < triceratux> im running LXQt 0.13.0 on Lubuntu 18.10. looking forward, not back
00:10 < peetaur> unity is dead...let it rest in peace
00:11 < aBound> Teehee.
00:11 < Pentode> should have been aborted early on. ;p
00:11 < aBound> I'd prefer using Unity over Gnome 3 unless I decide to switch over to MATE.
00:11 < Psi-Jack> Ewww..
00:11 < Psi-Jack> aBound: Check out Budgie.
00:11 < Pentode> i remember using a machine running unity and thinking what the heck!?
00:12 < Pentode> was it intended for tablets?
00:13 < searedvandal> same can be said for gnome3
00:13 < Pentode> yeah, very similar nonsense. ;)
00:13 < Psi-Jack> Not so much.
00:13 < Psi-Jack> At least Gnome doesn't have sidebars for every screen. :p
00:13 < Pentode> true
00:14 < Pentode> it is a _little_ better
00:14 < Psi-Jack> and mouse resistance added to move the mouse between multiple screens.
00:20 < aBound> Psi-Jack: That too Budgie.
00:20 < Psi-Jack> Budgie though is pretty nice. Not perfect, but nice. :)
00:21 < Psi-Jack> I like the Raven notification bar and applets.
00:22 < aBound> I generally use most settings in a DE but who knows.
00:22 < aBound> Don't use**
00:22 < Psi-Jack> That's okay. Budgie doesn't have a whole lot of settings. :)
00:22  * aBound has to take a shower and do laundry :P
00:23  * Psi-Jack has to wash his eyes out from unity.
00:23 < aBound> I'll find out more than likely might run a VM.
00:23 < azarus> Psi-Jack: with bleach?
00:23 < Psi-Jack> Acid.
00:23  * aBound dries his eyes back to Unity 
00:23 < aBound> I'm off, swoosh.
00:24 < azarus> i tend to use XFCE for setups that aren't used by me but for people looking for something simple
00:25 < azarus> my brother is pretty happy with, so that's cool
00:25 < azarus> with it*
00:26 < Psi-Jack> The only thing I don't like about Budgie so far is that you can't put the budgie bar on both screens.
00:26 < Psi-Jack> Other than that... It's pretty solid.
00:28 < afidegnum> hello, can anyone please explain this traffic ? using nethogs, this is what i m getting https://pasteboard.co/HsO2BDW.png
00:30 < searedvandal> I haven't tried Budgie myself, but I've been meaning to get around to try out Solus and Budgie one of these days
00:31 < Psi-Jack> Solus is pretty good too, as a distro.
00:31 < searedvandal> I did a small test of the mate version and it seemed pretty decent
00:31 < Psi-Jack> I spent all of 1.5 days looking at it in a VM and decided to immediately replace my distro with it on my main desktop and laptop, and I;ve been happy I did.
00:31 < Psi-Jack> For me, that's not usual to only spend so little time evaluating.
00:31 < sacules> hey guys, why's CAVA only receving input from my mic, even though I have it muted on alsamixer?
00:33 < zumba_addict> folks, is `@tmp` a regular directory? /tmp/workspace/a_sumologic@tmp/private.key I tried adding `ls -l /tmp/workspace/a_sumologic@tmp` in my jenkins job but it returned 0 files
00:33 < searedvandal> I'm considering purging my windows laptop and maybe put Solus on that
00:33 < Psi-Jack> Oh well, if you'll be purging Windows, DOOO-IIITTTT.
00:35 < Toadisattva> kill your windows!
00:35 < searedvandal> I'm using Windows once a month for a couple of hours, so it's hard to defend keeping it as the main and only OS on the best laptop I got (hardware-wise). A VM with Windows may be sufficient
00:35 < djph> defenestrate the pc
00:35 < Toadisattva> join us inthe open source future
00:35 < searedvandal> well, out of my 6 machines, 1 run, for the time being, windows
00:36 < Psi-Jack> Killll eeeeiiiit...
00:36 < searedvandal> haha
00:36 < searedvandal> if I decide not to be lazy this weekend I'll take some time and look at it
00:36 < triceratux> swagarch: personally nuked from orbit by Psi-Jack in favour of solus ftw
00:37 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, SwagArch really pissed me off.
00:38 < FManTropyx> damned Internet broke my connections
00:42 < searedvandal> anarchy linux pissed me off to the point where I just installed regular arch again
00:42 < krobzaur> Heyo, I'm running a ubuntu 16.04 on a macbook pro and I'm having wifi troubles with the newest kernel, version 4.13.0-45. Anyone else having issues?
00:43 < triceratux> i put up with anarchy but was looking for something better pretty fast
00:43 < krobzaur> I'm currently booted into an older kernel with no issues, wondering how I could go about understanding why this new kernel is messing up my networking
00:43 < triceratux> arch derivatives can be way more shaky than debian or ubuntu derivatives
00:43 < searedvandal> triceratux, the install iso didn't respond to any of my keyboard or trackpad inputs. nor external keyboard or trackpad.
00:44 < searedvandal> that was my short lived experience with anarchy
00:45 < searedvandal> but yeah, only arch derivative that's been good to me is antergos
00:45 < searedvandal> the rest are shaky like nothing else
00:46 < Toadisattva> I cut my teeth on debain and when I try to arch it just seems wrong
00:46 < Toadisattva> I'm an aptitude kid not a pacman kid!
00:46 < ldlework> Try NixOS
00:46 < Toadisattva> debian*
00:48 < searedvandal> I like arch because I got too much spare time anyway. my servers run ubuntu though.
00:48 < sacules> hey guys, why's CAVA only receving input from my mic, even though I have it muted on alsamixer?
00:48 < xamithan> Why aren't you running LFS then ?
00:48 < searedvandal> sacules, you have it muted in alsamixer and cava still receives sound from your mic?
00:49 < searedvandal> xamithan, not that much spare time
00:49 < chewzerita> searedvandal: cava listens to pulseaudio by default, try muting it using pactl
00:49 < sacules> yes
00:50 < xamithan> I'm just too lazy for arch.  I do like the manjaro architect though
00:50 < sacules> even the capture part is on 0
00:50 < searedvandal> sacules, as chewzerita said, check pulseaudio settings
00:50 < sacules> i have no pulseaudio tho
00:50 < chewzerita> sacules: did you manually configure cava to use alsa?
00:51 < sacules> nope, just installed it some mins ago, it should work with alsa by default
00:52 < lnnb> only one sound device in that system?
00:52 < my_mind> Hello folks
00:52 < chewzerita> sacules: hmm idk
00:53 < searedvandal> check the config file for cava, could be that its listening to some loopback device that somehow messes things up
00:53 < lnnb> sacules: you muted it in the F4:[Capture] menu of alsamixer?
00:53 < sacules> yeah
00:53 < sacules> I'll check
00:53 < lnnb> F6 only shows one sound card?
00:54 < sacules> oh for some reasons it was capturing audio, now it doesn't
00:54 < my_mind> How do I install programs on PartedMagic while using it?
00:54 < my_mind> If I wanted to install ssh or htop, just as an example
00:55 < my_mind> apt-get isn’t working
00:55 < searedvandal> sacules, in the cava config there is method = alsa and source = your capture device. change that to whatever you want to capture audio from
00:56 < my_mind> Anyone?
00:57 < sacules> searedvandal: where's that file? on .config/cava/config there's an empty file
01:00 < searedvandal> sacules, guess ypi
01:01 < searedvandal> oops. guess you'll have to copy the example config in the docs
01:02 < searedvandal> https://github.com/karlstav/cava#configuration
01:05 < sacules> nice
01:05 < sacules> i'll try rebooting just in case
01:06 < GunqqerFriithian> my ip configuration keeps expiring (wlps0) and I can't figure out why, what's the best way to troubleshoot this (im on ubuntu 16.04 btw)
01:19 < gambl0re> i configured opendns on my wifi settings but its still not blocking harmful sitrs
01:19 < gambl0re> sites
01:20 < meyou_> i don't think it blocks anything unless you create an account and register your public ip
01:20 < ananke> gambl0re: sounds like you should contact opendns
01:20 < gambl0re> meyou_, you dont need to create anything. all you have to do is use their dns servers
01:21 < gambl0re> ananke, wonderful help. thanks
01:21 < meyou_> yeah i don't think that's right
01:21 < ananke> gambl0re: you get what you paid for. and this isn't a linux problem
01:21 < gambl0re> ananke, again. great help.
01:21 < meyou_> idk, maybe there's some baseline malware blocking they do for everybody, but i know you need to register your public IP if you want to get category blocking
01:21 < meyou_> but ananke is right this has nothing to do with linux
01:21 < ananke> gambl0re: you're welcome to leave feedback with our customer service center
01:22 < gambl0re> ananke, you deserve a gold star...
01:22 < meyou_> we use opendns for web filtering for a lot of clients and without registering the IP, nothing gets blocked
01:22 < ananke> gambl0re: I have a full wall of them
01:22 < gambl0re> ananke, you should be proud...
01:23 < gambl0re> ananke, i can tell you've achieved so much in life
01:23 < ananke> gambl0re: that I have. you on the other hand, clearly haven't
01:24 < gambl0re> ananke, what a great comeback. i dont even know how to respond back to that
01:24 < ananke> gambl0re: try not responding at all
01:25 < gambl0re> ananke, woo, you're on a roll right now. are you a professional shit talker?
01:25 < littlebean> most active open source linux distrobution?
01:25 < littlebean> slash well made, aiming for privacy/security ideals
01:26 < littlebean> 'well made' *robust in terms of security/privacy
01:27 < ananke> littlebean: most active wouldn't necessarily be aligned with the other goals you mentioned
01:27 < littlebean> I was thinking that, which is why I mentioned it if that where the case
01:28 < littlebean> I'm aware of distrowatch, I find it very hard to navigate
01:30 < snkcld> when i set "ifconfig wlp2s0 mtu XXX", does it set the layer 2 MTU or layer 3?
01:30 < Tech_8> hi
01:39 < uupz> So I run Kali linux on a spare mobile laptop. 2.13ghz, 4gb ram, 500gb space. I have the full amd64 version of Kali. Are there any other slower version rhat fit a laptop like mine
01:39 < uupz> Is zdce just a non bloated wm
01:40 < koala_man> you want a slower distro?
01:40 < uupz> I want a version that runs faster on my laptop
01:41 < koala_man> what's slow about it?
01:41 < uupz> Because of my computer specs
01:42 < uupz> Thanks for help sir😁
01:43 < xamithan> You can install any DE you want to make it faster
01:43 < koala_man> I mean, is there something you're doing that is slower than expected? for example, lagging youtube video doesn't mean the distro is slow
01:45 < xamithan> Doesn't it use gnome3 by default?  Just install XFCE
01:45 < uupz> There you go
01:45 < uupz> Xfce
01:45 < uupz> I compile lots and lots of stuff for class
01:45 < koala_man> are you seeing swap usage?
01:46 < xamithan> Probably not going to speed up compiling but it'll use a bit less resources
01:46 < uupz> Python was taking forever to install and everyone was done. Noe my gaming pc running from vmware is blazing fast but I don't have it up 24 7
01:46 < uupz> I want SNORT running and it honey pots and nids
01:47 < uupz> So my laptop is stationary and I never use it
01:47 < xamithan> Well if you got internet there I'd just use a VPS or something
01:48 < uupz> Sorry I'm at Mr gattis pizza on my phone and my wife is beyotching
01:49 < uupz> What would a vps do? Connect to my box and I can compile from there and be done when I get home by
01:49 < F14W3D> hi everyone... dns server packages to tryout? i know bind and dnsmasq.. are there any other  ???
01:49 < djph> unbound?
01:49 < xamithan> Well if you get one with a decent process it would be lightyears faster than your spare laptop
01:50 < F14W3D> djph: thanks ... any others? ... looking to explore a bit more about dns servers
01:51 < djph> flipper8827fl: TBH, I run bind.
01:51 < djph> err
01:51 < djph> F14W3D: ^^
01:51 < xamithan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_DNS_server_software
01:51 < djph> (serves me right for 'f<TAB>'
01:51 < F14W3D> xamithan: awesome thanks for that one! =D
01:52 < xamithan> A few of those are probably outdated and of no use,  but it is a good list
01:52 < F14W3D> xamithan: well is good enough! =D
01:52 < F14W3D> at least plenty to look for
01:56 < Tech_8> people still use slackware
01:57 < xamithan> Of course,  thats not linux though
01:57 < Tech_8> how so?
01:58 < xamithan> Technically it is,  but it has more in common with unix
01:59 < Tech_8> ok
01:59 < lnnb> not ok, lol
02:03 < Tech_8> lnnb: hi
02:04 < lnnb> sup, Tech_8
02:04 < Tech_8> how are you?
02:04 < Tech_8> what linux distro do you use?
02:04 < phogg> slackware is absolutely Linux, wtf
02:05 < lnnb> GNU+Linux
02:08 < ayecee> slackware's heyday was closer to the launch of dos than today
02:08 < phogg> and yet it's still Linux
02:08 < ayecee> we just don't like to talk about it so much anymore
02:09 < phogg> recommending against it is one thing, lying about it is another
02:10 < ayecee> pretty sure that was meant to be tongue in cheek
02:10 < Tech_8> so debian and ubuntu are the most popular these days
02:13 < triceratux> https://www.linux.com/news/linux-mint-desktop-continues-lead-rest-1
02:14 < PsychoBoB> Hello guys
02:15 < PsychoBoB> What is name of package that I can to create a boot initialization on ubuntu?
02:19 < ayecee> debootstrap, possibly
02:19 < lnnb> i like to talk about slackware, i used to use it exclusively and it would be a fine distro if the gui wasn't riddled with dbus dependency, and now PA
02:20 < PsychoBoB> ayecee, ?
02:20 < ayecee> PsychoBoB, ?
02:20 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: genisoimage ?
02:27 < Elodin> is there a way to get sudo rights on a shell session for x minutes?
02:27 < ayecee> what's the problem that that would solve?
02:28 < Elodin> say i sudo something, and the next commands get sudo also
02:28 < ayecee> okay?
02:28 < ayecee> sudo already does that, doesn't it?
02:30 < Elodin> does it, even for messing with filesystems?
02:30 < xamithan> Why not just sudo -i
02:30 < ayecee> i don't think sudo cares about that
02:30 < xamithan> then exit after
02:30 < registeredmail> sleep 600; kill $PID
02:31 < PsychoBoB> i have a image
02:31 < January> I got a weird issue where ssh doesnt seem to respect $HOME (and thus cant find the key files): https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Ri4afirT/nice.txt Any ideas?
02:31 < PsychoBoB> deepin.iso
02:31 < PsychoBoB> And i want create a usb boot with image
02:31 < PsychoBoB> to install the deepin
02:31 < PsychoBoB> Now I'm using ubuntu
02:31 < Elodin> ayecee: ERROR: can't perform the search: Operation not permitted
02:32 < phogg> January: I wish you would try a less obnoxious pastebin. Too much JS in that one.
02:32 < ayecee> now, what problem caused that error?
02:32 < Elodin> same command right after having it being runned with sudo, but this time without
02:32 < January> phogg: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/raw/Ri4afirT/nice.txt
02:32 < Elodin> ayecee: not having it runned with sudo, but i run it with sudo 1 sec before at the same shell session
02:33 < phogg> January: so what's the problem? Looks correct to me. Did you expect it to use HOME to find its config files?
02:33 < ayecee> not having what runned with sudo?
02:33 < phogg> January: Also, if you're on MacOS why ask about problems in ##linux?
02:33 < Elodin> ayecee: the command, btrfs sub list
02:33 < phogg> January: if you want a non-default identify file use ssh -i
02:33 < ayecee> i see.
02:34 < PsychoBoB> someone can helpme
02:34 < Elodin> ayecee: I was looking for a way to enable sudo temporarely, if there is
02:34 < ayecee> yes, sudo -i or sudo -s
02:34 < ayecee> is probably what you're looking for
02:34 < ayecee> but not exactly what you described
02:34 < January> phogg: it's an active channel, and this is more of a general shell issue but not really relevant to bash specifically. And yes, I sort of expect it to look for the $HOME/.ssh/config file
02:35 < xamithan> He described it fine,  you just assumed that he wanted to not put in the password ;P
02:35 < ayecee> shut up, meg
02:36 < Elodin> ayecee: isnt that the same as sudo su?
02:36 < ayecee> no, but it has a similar effect
02:37 < Elodin> cuz whoami on sudo -i gives me root
02:37 < phogg> January: it looks up your home using getent. This is for security; if you think about it you'll perhaps see why it should be that way.
02:37 < ayecee> yes, i would hope so
02:38 < January> phogg: seems stupid to do it in the name of security
02:39 < ayecee> translation: not gonna think about it
02:39 < Elodin> ayecee: havent linux had this temp sudo mode behaviour at past time or am i just imagining things.
02:39 < ayecee> Elodin: it has.
02:40 < ayecee> though you're probably imagining how it operated
02:40 < ayecee> it didn't make every command you ran after that run as root for the next few minutes, like Mario with a super star
02:40 < phogg> that would be nuts
02:41 < ayecee> you still had to run the commands with sudo. it just wouldn't ask you for a password each time.
02:41 < phogg> even that is pretty crazy
02:41 < phogg> if you want to run multiple commands as root you should just start a shell
02:42 < January> ayecee: I dont see the benefit of using home from getent over the environment. The user could just edit the .ssh dir directly anyway, how does this benefit security at all
02:43 < ayecee> some machines have more than one user
02:43 < ayecee> maybe that's not obvious when using a mac
02:43 < January> how does this make a difference at all?
02:43 < phogg> January: it's hard to use the wrong config after someone attacks your environment
02:43 < ayecee> some users don't want their .ssh folder edited by other users
02:44 < phogg> January: you might not think it's important. I'm not an openssh developer and you can go argue with them. I'm just telling you why it doesn't work.
02:45 < Elodin> What's the difference between su and sudo -i?
02:45 < January> openssh upstream is openbsd right? doubt arguing with brick walls is going to change anything
02:46 < phogg> January: I now doubt myself, because though I remember this explanation the man page disagrees with me. It documents that HOME is respected.
02:46 < ayecee> Elodin: the main one you'll likely notice is which password to use - root's password, or your user's password
02:46 < January> phogg: maybe it's the version of ssh on my machine which is busted or something
02:46 < January> wouldn't surprise me
02:47 < Elodin> ayecee: yeah, aside from that. Does the root user have more priv than a sudoer user/
02:47 < phogg> January: could be... that would be pretty hard to break accidentally.
02:47 < ayecee> Elodin: they're the same user :P
02:47 < Elodin> oh
02:48 < phogg> they're *probably* the same user
02:48 < phogg> sudo can gain privileges of non-root instead, but actually configuring that is extremely rare
02:48 < ayecee> come on man
02:49 < phogg> too pedantic?
02:49 < ayecee> yes
02:49 < phogg> Too tired to judge accurately.
02:50  * phogg picks the worst times to give advice on IRC
02:55 < January> phogg: https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/blob/28013759f09ed3ebf7e8335e83a62936bd7a7f47/ssh.c#L1481
02:56 < January> no explanation as to why they don't just use $HOME
02:56 < January> I might email if I can find which list I'm meant to shoot at
03:11 < djph> //imgur.com/MzcZUSa
03:11 < djph> gah, cursed touchpad. STAY OFF
03:12 < ayecee> incriminating
03:12 < [R]> beter than discriminating
03:13 < djph> men, not my picture
03:13 < djph> *meh
03:13 < [R]> likely story...
03:13 < ayecee> freudian slip
03:13 < djph> nah, the men are getting oiled up in the next room.
03:13 < [R]> better tahn a nip slip...
03:19 < Psi-Jack> Windows user detected. Exxxxxterrrminaaaate!
03:26 < PsychoBoB> oerheks,
03:26 < PsychoBoB> I run the commnd to copy .iso to my usb
03:26 < PsychoBoB> but When  restart my note, dont boot by usb
03:27 < PsychoBoB> why ?
03:27 < Psi-Jack> How did you "copy .iso to my usb?"
03:27 < Psi-Jack> And "note?
03:27 < PsychoBoB> I run it
03:27 < Psi-Jack> ...
03:27 < PsychoBoB> - sudo dd if=/home/diogo/Downloads/deepin-15.6-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M && sync # you need to use full path
03:28 < PsychoBoB> I want to install deeping
03:28 < PsychoBoB> deepin
03:28 < PsychoBoB> I need run other command?
03:28 < [R]> what if you just use a normal dist?
03:28 < PsychoBoB> ubuntu
03:28 < PsychoBoB> i'm using ubuntu
03:28 < [R]> then proble msolved
03:28 < PsychoBoB> have a problem use deepin?
03:28 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: did you go into your bios or uefi & tell it to prioritise the usb at boottime ?
03:29 < PsychoBoB> triceratux, dont understand
03:29 < PsychoBoB> I need change the bios?
03:30 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: theres settings in there that tell it to stop ignoring the usb
03:30 < Psi-Jack> I don't know if Deepin uses a HybridISO.
03:30 < PsychoBoB> triceratux, what i need change?
03:30 < ayecee> if use less words, save lots time
03:30 < Psi-Jack> Also, be more clear....
03:30 < [R]> ayecee: see world
03:30 < ayecee> extra words comprehension
03:30 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: its machine specific but there should be some kind of menuing which makes it possible
03:31 < PsychoBoB> I 'll change my bios
03:31 < PsychoBoB> to use uefi , alright?
03:32 < ultr4_l4s3r> "Boot device priority" or something, set your USB to first
03:32 < PsychoBoB> I'll try
03:32 < PsychoBoB> But, I have   a question
03:33 < PsychoBoB> I need to set my pen drive with "initialization" or no ?
03:33 < [R]> you know what they say... the pen is mightier
03:33 < Psi-Jack> That question makes 0% sense.
03:33 < ayecee> what does it mean to set your pen drive with initialization
03:33 < ultr4_l4s3r> I'm sorry, I don't understand
03:35 < PsychoBoB> I dont speak english guys, sorry
03:35 < PsychoBoB> The pendrive needs have a propertie called initialization
03:35 < PsychoBoB> no?
03:35 < Psi-Jack> That still makes no sense.
03:36 < PsychoBoB> this command that i ran
03:36 < Psi-Jack> "initialization" is definitely the wrong word.
03:36 < ultr4_l4s3r> No, there should be a setting in your BIOS where it lists the sequence of boot devices
03:36 < PsychoBoB> make the pendrive a bootable?
03:36 < ultr4_l4s3r> Like your HDD, your CD-drive, USB etc
03:36 < ayecee> PsychoBoB: could be a good time for the google translate
03:36 < Psi-Jack> IF the Deepin ISO is a hybrid ISO.
03:36 < ultr4_l4s3r> Set your USB to be the first
03:36 < ultr4_l4s3r> Psi-Jack, I think it is, from what I read a few minutes ago
03:36 < PsychoBoB> ultr4_l4s3r,
03:36 < PsychoBoB> hmmm
03:36 < PsychoBoB> ANd mark UEFI to work?
03:36 < Psi-Jack> ultr4_l4s3r: I couldn't tell. They have a Deepin Boot Creator tool thingy.
03:37 < PsychoBoB> or just change the list of boot to usb be a first
03:37 < ultr4_l4s3r> yes, that
03:37 < PsychoBoB> ultr4_l4s3r,
03:37 < PsychoBoB> ?
03:37 < PsychoBoB> just change?
03:37 < Psi-Jack> Yes, both, if you can, too. UEFI is better when you can use it.
03:37 < PsychoBoB> alright
03:37 < ultr4_l4s3r> Change the boot list, and then see if it works
03:37 < Psi-Jack> Or hit F12 while booting.
03:37 < PsychoBoB> i'll go try it
03:37 < PsychoBoB> yeap
03:37 < Psi-Jack> No change required. :)
03:37 < PsychoBoB> got it
03:37 < lnnb> hmm i thought you had to dd to /dev/sdb as opposed to /dev/sdb1, does uefi parse the available partitions for bootable ones?
03:38 < PsychoBoB> lnnb, ?
03:38 < ayecee> no, should be sdb, not sdb1
03:38 < PsychoBoB> I need change my command then?
03:38 < Psi-Jack> Yes, you do have to use /dev/sdX, not sdXY
03:38 < PsychoBoB> to use sdb and not sdb1 :
03:38 < PsychoBoB> ?
03:38 < Psi-Jack> PsychoBoB: Did you di sdb? or sdb1?
03:38 < Psi-Jack> do*
03:38 < PsychoBoB> sdb1
03:38 < Psi-Jack> Then you did that wrong.
03:38 < PsychoBoB> - sudo dd if=/home/diogo/Downloads/deepin-15.6-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb1 bs=4M && sync # you need to use full path
03:38 < PsychoBoB> is wrong?
03:38 < Psi-Jack> Yes
03:39 < lnnb> be aware it will erase all partition info from the drive
03:39 < ultr4_l4s3r> Ah yes, I didn't even notice that, good catch, lnnb
03:39 < lnnb> so back those up first
03:39 < Psi-Jack> And make sure you're actually doing it to the USB device.
03:39 < PsychoBoB> Should I run this command using only sdb then? it is?
03:40 < PsychoBoB> like it:
03:40 < Psi-Jack> If sdb is the USB device.
03:40 < PsychoBoB> - sudo dd if=/home/diogo/Downloads/deepin-15.6-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M && sync # you need to use full path
03:40 < ayecee> sure, looks fine
03:40 < Psi-Jack> Don't need the text after # either. :p
03:40 < ayecee> oh snap
03:40  * Psi-Jack snaps his fingers
03:40 < PsychoBoB> running...
03:40 < Psi-Jack> Or the leading - either
03:43 < vovioheler> hello, i'm trying to echo a password into an applications but its not working
03:43 < Psi-Jack> That's always a bad idea.
03:43 < PsychoBoB> waiting the command
03:43 < PsychoBoB> is slower?
03:44 < ayecee> it is a slow command. wait.
03:44 < vovioheler> i tried like echo -e 'pass' | electrum comand
03:44 < vovioheler> and printf what can i do more?
03:44 < jim> PsychoBoB, does the usb thing seem to be active? blinking?
03:44 < Psi-Jack> Again, that is a very bad idea.
03:44 < PsychoBoB> what is bs-4m ?
03:44 < PsychoBoB> bs=4m
03:44 < Psi-Jack> Block size
03:44 < vovioheler> Psi-Jack: what can i do more?
03:45 < [R]> vovioheler: use expect
03:45 < jim> the buffer it pages in and out of (the bs=)
03:45 < Psi-Jack> vovioheler: What are you actually trying to do, and why are you trying to do an insecure operation?
03:45 < vovioheler> [R]: what? how?
03:45 < [R]> vovioheler: very carefully
03:46 < vovioheler> Psi-Jack: i just want to log into my electrum the password doesnt realy matter in this case
03:46 < Psi-Jack> What... is electrum>
03:46 < ananke> vovioheler: and what makes you think that command accepts passwords on stdin?
03:46 < Psi-Jack> Oh, bitcoin crap.
03:46 < ultr4_l4s3r> Bitcoin wallet?
03:47 < [R]> lol
03:47 < PsychoBoB> 784+1 registros de entrada
03:47 < PsychoBoB> 784+1 registros de saída
03:47 < PsychoBoB> 3291082752 bytes (3,3 GB, 3,1 GiB) copiados, 304,973 s, 10,8 MB/s
03:47 < jim> that's money, so the password is extra important
03:47 < vovioheler> [R]: how do i do that? can u show me
03:47 < Psi-Jack> Fake "money", just bits. :p
03:47 < vovioheler> ananke: the program asks me for password
03:47 < [R]> vovioheler: i just told you... very carefully
03:47 < [R]> vovioheler: surre, i can show you
03:47 < [R]> vovioheler: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+expect
03:48 < jim> vovioheler, can I make a request... Please spell out u as you... it would help folks who are here and are new english speakers, some don't hear u as a rhyme for you
03:48 < ananke> vovioheler: just because it asks you, doesn't mean it will accept it the way you're trying to go about it
03:48 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: 3.3G for a desktop ISO ? no wonder they think its spyware
03:48 < ultr4_l4s3r> http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/cmdline.html
03:49 < ayecee> triceratux misses the good old days of installing slackware from floppies
03:49 < [R]> ayecee: don't copy... don't copy that floppy
03:49 < djph> ayecee: don't we all?
03:49 < ananke> djph: no. we're happy those times are over
03:49 < oerheks> scratched installation cd .. oh those were good times
03:50  * triceratux just upgraded to the tumbleweed 20180701 xfce iso. the things worth $2.5Busd after all
03:50 < djph> ananke: hehe, to be replaced with systemd.
03:50 < ananke> djph: I'll take systemd over having to spend an entire weekend to compile a kernel
03:51 < djph> ananke: wait, didn't slackware come precompiled?
03:51 < ayecee> well sure, if you wanted to use the big bloated kernel that supported everything before initrd was common
03:52 < ananke> djph: sure. you had a dozen precompiled kernels. except when you had slightly different hardware, you had to compile your own. and module system wasn't as decent as it is now
03:52 < jim> yeah slackware did come precompiled, but if I recall correctly, I built a lot of stuff with the gcc it came with
03:53 < autopsy> Slackware was the bomb.
03:53 < ananke> when you had 5MB of ram every little bit counted
03:53 < [R]> ayecee: are you saying you dont like big things?
03:53 < djph> ananke: ah, I must've started just after that mess ... IIRC kernel 2.4 (2.6?) was big news at the time
03:53 < autopsy> It had X11 working on kernel 1.2.1 when it came out on CD.
03:53 < jim> yep... it exploded when I replaced libc...
03:53 < Psi-Jack> autopsy: Heh, sure. In 1993~1994, compared to SLS and MCC. :)
03:53 < ananke> djph: ohh, hah, yeah. 2.4/2.6 would be very modern
03:54 < ananke> djph: 1.2.13 kernel for example had a fairly long life span
03:54 < autopsy> 2.6.35 is very modern Major steps were 1.3 2.2 2.4 and 2.6
03:54 < autopsy> Now it's like 3.17 4.0 next.
03:54 < autopsy> Next.
03:54 < ananke> ad don't get me started on x11. x86free was such a pita. most kids used pirated metrox
03:55 < autopsy> Pirated metrox sounds like some gummi bears.
03:55 < jim> when I found my executables not working after replacing libc, I tried redhat... but it wasn't able to upgrade (it failed, so I looked for something to replace it with
03:55 < jim> )
03:56 < ananke> https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/1073 <- metro x
03:56 < djph> ananke: I think RedHat 6.0 or the immediate predecessor was my first *nix ... so what's that, kernel 2.1/2.2 era?
03:56 < jim> wasnm't that a paid version of X?
03:56 < ananke> jim: yes
03:57 < ananke> djph: not sure. I didn't use redhat much back then, so my knowledge of how their releases mapped to kernels is sparse
03:57 < ananke> bottom line, using linux is a metric ton easier these days than it was 20 years ago :)
03:58 < Psi-Jack> Back then, 2.even was stable, 2.odd was devel.
03:58 < djph> ananke: yeh.  2.2 (RedHat6.0)
04:00 < jim> djph: and I didn't stay with redhat long enough to learn their kernel system (if they had one)
04:01 < jim> I think back then, mostly, they had people compile kernels based on what devices they had
04:01 < jim> no longer needed once debian came up with the initrd system
04:03 < jim> Sokol, Chris?
04:03 < autopsy> Debian came up with initrds?
04:03 < autopsy> Who came up with init ramfs?
04:04 < autopsy> RAM filesystem instead of a fixed disk of 16,536,000 bytes.
04:04 < jim> I think so, I remember when they first came out with it, I was a little nervous
04:04 < Psi-Jack> Nope Debian didn't create initrd.
04:04 < autopsy> RAM disks were 16 MB. Thats small.
04:05 < djph> jim: yeah, I don't remember - I was there for a bit, then they came out with Fedora Core, played with that a bit, but soething broke massively with Fedora.... something .../ and I ended up on Ubuntu...whatever
04:05 < jim> but it meant a lot less work
04:05 < [R]> Psi-Jack: your mom did
04:05 < autopsy> LOLZ
04:05 < autopsy> I liked my initrd. Until now.
04:06 < jim> why, what's wrong with it?
04:07 < jim> Psi-Jack, who first used it? slack?
04:07 < autopsy> I can fit a fully featured bash in an initramfs.
04:07 < autopsy> No need to use busybox.
04:08 < Psi-Jack> I believe, actually, it was Red Hat or Fedora Core.
04:08 < jim> autopsy, might be good to use a statically linked bash... or something like sash
04:09 < autopsy> Never heard of sash what is it?
04:09 < [R]> autopsy: uh... busybox provides a lot more than just a shell...
04:09 < autopsy> Red Hat used nash. Not another Shell.
04:09 < orbisvicis> fish?
04:10 < jim> Psi-Jack, I think it was debian though. who came up with the idea of having kernel package installs perform a rebuild of the initrd
04:10 < autopsy> [R] yes but primitive utilities. Most of them.
04:10 < [R]> autopsy: what?
04:10 < autopsy> [R] primitive like losetup switch_root pivot_root
04:11 < autopsy> [R] good for initrd where the ram disk was 16 MB only.
04:11 < Psi-Jack> But it was primarily Red Hat linux core developers that even came up with the idea.
04:11 < autopsy> What is fish and sash?
04:12 < [R]> autopsy: and what does havinga  "fully featured bash" have to do with not using busybox?
04:12 < Psi-Jack> And debian did different things with cramfs for the initrd, while others did it originally with ext2.
04:12  * [R] crams an fs in Psi-Jack 
04:12 < jim> sash was a statically linked shell that also had tar and a couple of other things
04:12 < autopsy> [R] it just means theres more room to wiggle nothing to do with busybox exactly. I don't know.
04:13 < jim> stands for "sys admin shell"
04:13 < autopsy> Oh ok.
04:13 < autopsy> [R] nothing to do with busybox.
04:13 < [R]> autopsy: lol
04:13 < jim> I never did use scheme shell, but I'm probably gonna look into it :)
04:14 < autopsy> Oh knoes shemes.
04:14 < jim> the memes attributed to shemes
04:15 < autopsy> Ubuntu or Debian were doing stuff with UnionFS to do live CD stuff using casper I think back in early 2000.
04:15 < jim> I do other weird crap too, I have a very cool sources.list.m4 :)
04:15 < autopsy> Who came out with the first LiveCDs?
04:15 < autopsy> Not Red Hat or Fedora I'll tell you that much.
04:16 < jim> I vaguely remember something like that, never got into that either
04:16 < [R]> autopsy: knoppix
04:17 < autopsy>  [R] ah yeah thats right Knoppix I mean.
04:17 < jim> right, knoppix is a debian deriv, and I think it was the first live cd
04:17 < autopsy> Knop pix.
04:17 < autopsy> Knop tha head off.
04:17 < jim> debian shunned it hard as "this isn't debian"
04:19 < jack_rabbit> knoppix was super cool. Not sure it's really relevant anymore.
04:19 < vovioheler> [R]: hey
04:20 < swift110> jack_rabbit: why do you feel that way?
04:20 < autopsy> Knoppix was one of the first of it's kind to be run directly from a CD on a system.
04:20 < vovioheler> [R]: i installed  expect and created a script but i cant find the sintax to run the program, i tried eval spawn and spawn
04:21 < autopsy> vovioheler, expect allows you to expect a pasword prompt for example and provide non-interactive input in a secure manner.
04:23 < jim> jack_rabbit, even so, it'd be interesting to find out when they released last
04:23 < swift110> yes autopsy and thats pretty cool
04:23 < [R]> vovioheler: that sounds quite unfortunate
04:24 < jack_rabbit> jim, Looks like May 14, 2018
04:25 < autopsy> That recent?
04:25 < jack_rabbit> vovioheler, look at the 'expect' command to run your script.
04:25 < autopsy> Wow.
04:25 < vovioheler> autopsy: i'm doing prog | expect -c  "Password:" send "pwd"
04:25 < jack_rabbit> autopsy, Yeah, they're still active, it looks like.
04:26 < autopsy> vovioheler, provide the full program line and output from error you get. Fedora paste site or something.
04:26 < autopsy> jack_rabbit, that's really good to hear I guess. That Knoppix uses dpkg I guess.
04:27 < `7hr34t_hvntr> any idea why 2 identical monitors have different resolution sets available in my display settings?
04:27 < qoxncyha> let's say you have a VPS and it's working great.
04:27 < qoxncyha> all of a sudden your VPS gets hacked, and you scramble to rebuild it.
04:27 < qoxncyha> what are some software that can provision a VPS network?
04:27 < jack_rabbit> `7hr34t_hvntr, I imagine that's up to your graphics driver as much as it is your displays.
04:28 < Psi-Jack> Hitting enter as pauses in thought or in the middle of your subject makes reading it more difficult.
04:28 < `7hr34t_hvntrX> jack_rabbit, these same display extended properly before
04:28 < `7hr34t_hvntrX> machine has been off several months, had to redo cabling and such
04:28 < fryguy> qoxncyha: terraform, chef, ansible, salt, puppet are all options to consider for automated provisioning/configuration
04:28 < `7hr34t_hvntrX> should work
04:28 < `7hr34t_hvntrX> no hardware has changed
04:29 < qoxncyha> i'm looking for something with complexity between setting it up yourself, and terraform
04:29 < autopsy> vovioheler, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/ paste the whole output with command line you are running and output from the error.
04:29 < jack_rabbit> `7hr34t_hvntrX, weird. I have no idea.
04:30 < autopsy> vovioheler, I used expect to log a machine into https for a webpage I was setting up.
04:30 < autopsy> It worked pretty well.
04:30 < qoxncyha> is there anything like that?
04:31 < vovioheler> autopsy: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/3PpZljNU4I8cYuPG4D6-bg
04:32 < jack_rabbit> qoxncyha, Not that I know of. There are some container managers that are pretty nice, like Kubernetes.
04:32 < jack_rabbit> But that would require some work to port the application.
04:32 < qoxncyha> jack_rabbit: i heard that was very complicated
04:32 < qoxncyha> jack_rabbit: how much work? a day? a month?
04:32 < jack_rabbit> depends entirely on how complicated your application is.
04:33 < qoxncyha> an app server running a docker container, a static file mount, and a postgres database, preferrably all separate
04:33 < qoxncyha> i don't know anything about k8s
04:34 < jack_rabbit> If you know how to do it, you could get that working real quick.
04:34 < jack_rabbit> The learning curve could bite you, though.
04:34 < qoxncyha> jack_rabbit: how big is your smallest k8s deployment?
04:35 < jack_rabbit> I don't have any currently, but we're looking at going to it.
04:35 < jack_rabbit> We have a ~20 container application.
04:35 < jack_rabbit> postgres and python.
04:36 < qoxncyha> jack_rabbit: what are you using currently? why are you switching?
04:36 < jack_rabbit> so take my suggestion with a grain of salt.
04:36 < jack_rabbit> ECS
04:36 < jack_rabbit> with cloudformation.
04:36 < jack_rabbit> But it's kind of a pain.
04:36 < qoxncyha> cloudformation is pretty painful
04:37 < Psi-Jack> CloudFormation has YAML now, which is easier than the JSON. :)
04:37 < jack_rabbit> yeah...
04:37 < qoxncyha> jack_rabbit: are you testing k8s yourself? what steps/guide are you following?
04:37 < jack_rabbit> It's mostly the tooling *around* ECS and cloudformation that is painful.
04:38 < autopsy> vovioheler, I think you don't need the extra -c "expect" in there.
04:38 < jack_rabbit> qoxncyha, We're still preliminary. If I'm honest, it's my coworkers that have the expertise there.
04:39 < qoxncyha> i'm just sick of spending days on setting up a tiny little deployment that someone set up before me, only to have to do it again when something goes wrong
04:39 < jack_rabbit> Yeah, you should build infrastructure you can deploy on command, then.
04:41 < Psi-Jack> Also, packer
04:41 < jack_rabbit> whether that's cloudformation or whatever. I've heard some people say good things about google's app engine, but I have zero idea how good it is, or what the tools are like.
04:41 < PsychoBoB> I WIN !!!!
04:41 < PsychoBoB> =)
04:41 < Psi-Jack> You can use packer to build "golden images" to deploy with.
04:41 < ayecee> \o/
04:41 < PsychoBoB> deepin works fine here
04:41 < PsychoBoB> fast, beatiful
04:41 < triceratux> yer being spied on by the finest
04:42 < ayecee> one track pony
04:42 < autopsy> vovioheler, |expect -d -c "Password:" send "password" report back the results.
04:43 < PsychoBoB> triceratux, ?
04:43 < PsychoBoB> serious?
04:44 < qoxncyha> the best spy wouldn't admit he's spying
04:44 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: it has an odd reputation but most of it comes from reddit https://www.quora.com/Is-Deepin-OS-a-spyware
04:44 < vovioheler> autopsy: meh nvm this
04:44 < markasoftware> their app store thing phoned home a lot i think
04:45 < autopsy> vovioheler, ok your choice.
04:45 < markasoftware> deepin is just gnome but even more bloated=
04:45 < vovioheler> autopsy: if you want to try it you can install electrum with pip3
04:46 < autopsy> vovioheler, ok I'll try.
04:47 < markasoftware> oh my you're still trying to generate addresses automatically?
04:47 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: its really kind of an ongoing joke or a motif https://deepinenespañol.org/en/comunidad/noticias-de-portada/es-deepin-spyware/
04:47 < markasoftware> this must have been a looooong day for you vovioheler
04:47 < vovioheler> autopsy: thanks
04:47 < PsychoBoB>  Do you think it's dangerous for me to use deepin?
04:47 < autopsy> vovioheler, ok.
04:47 < PsychoBoB> Abbott, Jonas?
04:47 < markasoftware> it's not tooo bad PsychoBoB. It's better than win or mac by a longshot still
04:47 < vovioheler> markasoftware: yea it was
04:48 < PsychoBoB> ubuntu show me must slow on my PC
04:48 < [R]> PsychoBoB: well it probably has super terrifi chinese spyware in it
04:48 < [R]> PsychoBoB: sounds safe enough
04:48 < markasoftware> ubuntu was slower than deepin? hmmmmmm
04:48 < markasoftware> ubuntu uses the same gnome but less customized
04:48 < [R]> PsychoBoB: sounds like you just need to switch away from gnome/unity to somthing lighter
04:48 < Abbott> oh you must have meant to highlight autopsy
04:48 < markasoftware> vovioheler: you know you can create wallets without passwords?
04:49  * Abbott crawls back into the dungeon
04:49 < vovioheler> markasoftware: nah just address
04:49 < markasoftware> also, do you know about the Gap Limit in electrum? IT's something you should be aware of when generating more than 20 addresses at a time
04:49 < markasoftware> vovioheler: but your current problem is entering the password into the CLI, yes? You can just create a wallet without the password and then use the CLI without needing to enter a pw
04:49 < autopsy> markasoftware, sounds like a bad idea is it?
04:50 < markasoftware> http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/faq.html#what-is-the-gap-limit
04:50 < PsychoBoB> ubuntu 18 have unity or gnome?
04:51 < markasoftware> autopsy: maybe. If your disk is already encrypted i don't see the problem. Most anti-electrum malware will keylog you anyways. BUT, if it IS a problem, you can actually create a new wallet, without a password, which can still generate addresses but can't send money
04:51 < autopsy> markasoftware, ok.
04:51 < c0ffee152> Gnome.  Unity can still be installed through third party offerings.
04:51 < markasoftware> the way the cryptography works, you can actually generate addresses for a wallet without knowing the private keys, if you have access to the so-called "master public key"
04:51 < [R]> PsychoBoB: there is no such thing as "ubuntu 18"
04:52 < Cyrum> what is this ubuntu you speak of
04:52 < triceratux> [R]: youre an ubuntu 18
04:52 < triceratux> bwahahahaha now there is :)
04:52 < markasoftware> also vovioheler, your exact problem is talked about here http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-can-i-pre-generate-new-addresses
04:52 < markasoftware> about how to generate many addresses at once
04:54 < PsychoBoB> [R], ?
04:54 < PsychoBoB> why not?
04:54 < PsychoBoB> ubntu 18.04
04:54 < PsychoBoB> have older version that use gnome no?
04:54 < markasoftware> it's named afgter the month it was released
04:54 < vovioheler> markasoftware: i'm trying to create a wallet without password, i could use that but i aint using python3
04:55 < [R]> PsychoBoB: in what universei is "ubutnu 18.04" and "ubuntu 18" the same thing?
04:55 < markasoftware> ah you're trying to automate this process vovioheler?
04:55 < [R]> PsychoBoB: is windows 1 and windows 10 the same thing?
04:56 < hotbobby> hello, what is the easiest way for me to redirect domain.com to differentdomain.com at the operating system level
04:56 < vovioheler> markasoftware: yea i can do it without password  thanks
04:56 < PsychoBoB> OMG
04:56 < hotbobby> ive researched solutions with dnsmasq, bind9, etc. i cannot get something working
04:56 < PsychoBoB> gnome or unity is more fast?
04:56 < markasoftware> PsychoBoB: neither
04:56 < [R]> hotbobby: what do you mean redirect... what do you mean "operating system level"
04:56 < triceratux> PsychoBoB: theres an xubuntu for 18.04 which is xfce instead of gnome. lightweight as well
04:56 < markasoftware> they'rce both some of the most bloated ones
04:56 < PsychoBoB> deepin uses what?
04:56 < markasoftware> PsychoBoB: modified gnome
04:57 < PsychoBoB> hmmm
04:57 < markasoftware> when i tried it, it was even laggier than gnome
04:57 < PsychoBoB> it show me like a osX
04:57 < PsychoBoB> =/
04:57 < PsychoBoB> icons, navigate
04:57 < hotbobby> [R]: i would like for all network requests for one specific domain to be routed to an ip address of my c hoosing instead of what a real dns server would say
04:57 < vovioheler> markasoftware: do you know if i can use this fresh new address right away or do i need to wait ?
04:57 < markasoftware> vovioheler: right away
04:57 < markasoftware> it's a common misconception that you need to "register" addresses or something.
04:57 < autopsy> vovioheler, stick around for a minute I've got to pip3 install Electrum so far.
04:57 < markasoftware> generate it and you're done
04:57 < PsychoBoB> deepin-terminal is nice !!!
04:57 < vovioheler> autopsy: yes sure i still wanna know that
04:58 < markasoftware> PsychoBoB: deepin-terminal is one of their least modified applications
04:58 < autopsy> Successfully installed Electrum-3.0.3 dnspython-1.15.0 ecdsa-0.13 jsonrpclib-pelix-0.3.1 pbkdf2-1.3 protobuf-3.6.0 pyaes-1.6.1 qrcode-6.0
04:58 < markasoftware> it's literally just gnome-terminal with transparency, when i used it
04:58 < [R]> hotbobby: /etc/hosts
04:58 < vovioheler> markasoftware: ok its just because the new address apears in red on the gui
04:58 < [R]> markasoftware: and the key logger...
04:58 < hotbobby> [R] putting in a line to the hosts file in the format "olddomain desired-new-ip-address" doesnt work.
04:58 < hotbobby> is there more to it than that?
04:59 < markasoftware> IP address goes first
04:59 < [R]> hotbobby: maybe you should read other line in the file and/or the documentation instead of making thigns up...
04:59 < markasoftware> vovioheler: RED just means they are beyond the gap limit
04:59 < markasoftware> it's ok to use them
04:59 < [R]> markasoftware: mind the gap
05:00 < autopsy> vovioheler, [autopsy@localhost ~]$ electrum create
05:00 < autopsy> Password (hit return if you do not wish to encrypt your wallet):
05:00 < autopsy> vovioheler, what do I do create that new wallet with expect?
05:00 < PsychoBoB> i need change the location of server deepin
05:00 < PsychoBoB> is slow
05:00 < PsychoBoB> i believe that the major server is on china
05:00 < markasoftware> vovioheler: are you trying to make a bitcoin wallet-y application that uses electrum as a backend?
05:00 < autopsy> vovioheler, you need to change your Password: line to Password only.
05:00 < vovioheler> autopsy: i didnt want to create a wallet with expect just an address
05:01 < vovioheler> autopsy: i used the gui to create the wallet
05:01 < autopsy> vovioheler, Ok I'm lost Do I create a new wallet then a new address?
05:01 < PsychoBoB> deepin is based on debian, is true?
05:01 < Dan39> china.
05:01 < [R]> PsychoBoB: i bet the wikipedia page says what it is
05:02 < [R]> and hwo much spyware tehre is
05:02 < autopsy> CHINA!
05:02 < vovioheler> autopsy: just make a wallet with a password, then go on the console and use the cli to create a new address
05:02 < PsychoBoB> =(
05:02 < PsychoBoB> I can disabled it?
05:02 < markasoftware> there are very few applications where generating 1,000 electrum addresses automatically is a good idea
05:02 < PsychoBoB> the spyware?
05:02 < [R]> it wouldn't be very good spyware if you could just disable it... now would it?
05:02 < Dan39> can you disable china? CAN YOU!?
05:02 < vovioheler> markasoftware: my application just needs to recive an fresh address
05:04 < hotbobby> putting a desired ip, then a hostname from which to redirect from in /etc/hosts just leads to a second entry for the domain name in dig. this doesnt accomplish redirection like i am trying for
05:04 < markasoftware> whatever you're doing, i recommend you check whether using Bitcoin Core is a better idea
05:05 < hotbobby> is there any way other than hosting a local dns server, and routing all dns requests through it?
05:05 < autopsy> vovioheler, I don't know then.
05:05 < autopsy> vovioheler, use -i with expect.
05:06 < [R]> hotbobby: use ping
05:06 < markasoftware> hotbobby: i don't think dig respects hosts rules
05:06 < markasoftware> because it has it's own DNS stuff built-in
05:06 < PsychoBoB> I'm scared
05:06 < PsychoBoB> with spyware
05:06 < PsychoBoB> china
05:06 < PsychoBoB> is true?
05:07 < hotbobby> ah i see. it was working all along
05:07 < hotbobby> thanks for the help
05:07 < vovioheler> autopsy: close the gui and try electrum createnewaddress, does it asks for password?
05:08 < markasoftware> http://docs.electrum.org/en/latest/faq.html#how-can-i-pre-generate-new-addresses
05:08 < autopsy> vovioheler, yes it does.
05:08 < markasoftware> whopos wrong link
05:08 < markasoftware> https://github.com/dan-da/hd-wallet-addrs
05:08 < autopsy> vovioheler, you neeed to use expect -i -d for it.
05:09 < markasoftware> https://github.com/dan-da/hd-wallet-derive actually may be closer to what you want
05:10 < vovioheler> autopsy: so you did | expect -i -d 'Password:' send 'pwd'
05:10 < markasoftware> you can use electrum to generate your wallet, then export the xpub and use it with this
05:10 < autopsy> vovioheler, yeah.
05:10 < vovioheler> autopsy: oh okay nice thanks
05:19 < PsychoBoB> guys
05:19 < PsychoBoB> when i run apt install sublime-text
05:19 < Sveta> hi guy PsychoBoB
05:19 < ayecee> finish the sentence, then hit enter
05:19 < PsychoBoB> I can see the version of sublime before?
05:19 < Sveta> what does it say?
05:19 < PsychoBoB> ?
05:20 < PsychoBoB> I need know what version is
05:20 < ayecee> PsychoBoB: time for google translate. you're not coming through.
05:21 < PsychoBoB> I need to know the version of the sublime text before installing.
05:21 < PsychoBoB> understand?
05:21 < ayecee> apt-cache show sublime will show the version in the repository
05:21 < ayecee> and yes, that was much better.
05:25 < c0ffee152> $ dpkg -l sublime-text   shows the version of the installed package (if installed).
05:26 < PsychoBoB> not installed
05:26 < PsychoBoB> the version on deepin is 2.0.0 =(
05:26 < PsychoBoB> older
05:26 < c0ffee152> k, then what ayecee said.
05:26 < PsychoBoB> I need install the new version of sublime
05:29 < triceratux> https://www.sublimetext.com/3 ?
05:31 < PsychoBoB> i win
05:31 < PsychoBoB> use the deepin store
05:35 < jim> that's where you buy deepin sauce?
05:36 < Henry151> howdy-hey ##linux
05:36 < jim> hi
05:36 < Henry151> a friend of mine just posted this request on facebook: http://i.imgur.com/j31xSHP.png and I want to help her find a cool, open-source, simple program that can fulfill her request. Anybody got any suggestions? http://i.imgur.com/j31xSHP.png
05:37 < Henry151> oops link twice my bad.
05:39 < markasoftware> most image editors support lines :)
05:39 < markasoftware> libreoffice draw would also work fine
05:40 < Henry151> markasoftware: i think she wants to be able to input data from a csv or other "spreadsheet" type format and have it represented visually that way
05:41 < Henry151> like say, looking at this one: https://theglobalobservatory.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/m23-dataviz.jpg
05:41 < Henry151> this wasn't made by drawing the lines with an image program
05:42 < Henry151> i'm trying to find programs that can make those type of charts, but i don't know what to call that type of chart
05:44 < PsychoBoB> test
05:45 < Henry151> another example: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuroskeptic/files/2012/02/connectome.jpg
05:45 < jim> nest
05:45 < Copenhagen_Bram> Howdy ##linux! Would you happen to know how I can measure my gpu temperature?
05:45 < Copenhagen_Bram> I'd like to see if my Intel GMA 4500MHD is being throttled
05:46 < jim> Copenhagen_Bram, maybe there's a sensor?
05:46 < Copenhagen_Bram> Hmm. I'll try lm-sensors
05:46 < jim> is this gpu on your motherboard?
05:47 < jim> ?
05:48 < Copenhagen_Bram> yeah, it's not plugged in or anything
05:48 < Copenhagen_Bram> why, can I plug something in and make my computer faster?
05:48 < ayecee> quite often yes
05:49 < Copenhagen_Bram> ooooh
05:49 < jim> google for your specific motherboard model
05:49 < ayecee> gpu integrated into motherboard can be adequate, but addon cards can be more performant. you can spend as much on the video card as the computer if you want.
05:50 < jim> sometimes your computer will be faster with more ram, depending on what you do with it
05:55 < koala_man> I'm running on a raspberry pi. Finally I'm one of the cool kids.
05:56 < jim> hope the rasberry has traction :)
05:56  * Copenhagen_Bram throws a raspberry pi at jim
05:56 < koala_man> definitely, it's like rubbing frozen molasses with sandpaper
05:57 < jim> is it lemon flavored?
05:57 < Copenhagen_Bram> jim: no it's triquel mini flavored
05:57  * jim has never heard of that flavor!
05:58 < Copenhagen_Bram> would you like it with a fresh guix topping?
05:59 < jim> will it be hot?
05:59 < Copenhagen_Bram> no but it will be libre
06:00 < koala_man> I had to switch from -j4 to -j2 because my build was swapping too badly
06:01 < iflema> go 3
06:14 < PsychoBoB> Guys
06:14 < PsychoBoB> the best ftp client for linux, what?
06:14 < storge> the one that works
06:14 < storge> the one that works best for your uses, without cruft you don't need
06:15 < PsychoBoB> filezila?
06:15 < storge> the whole point is choice of functionalism
06:15 < storge> filezilla is ok if you're ok with the packagers bundling spyware for non-linux users. which speaks to their motives
06:16 < markasoftware> PsychoBoB: still in deepin ATM?
06:16 < PsychoBoB> markasoftware, ??
06:16 < PsychoBoB> ATM ?
06:16 < markasoftware> see i spied on you to figure that out
06:16 < storge> by the way, any Stylish users here?
06:17 < markasoftware> but seriously PsychoBoB in your file manager, enter an FTP url into the navigation bar
06:17 < markasoftware> it will load it automatically
06:17 < markasoftware> inside of Nautilus
06:17 < markasoftware> and it's At The Moment
06:17 < Sveta> storge: what is the query about stylish?
06:17 < Copenhagen_Bram> PsychoBoB: wget?
06:17 < markasoftware> eg, ftp://markasoftware.com
06:18 < markasoftware> but make sure you use the right protocol, if you are using sftp for example do sftp://markasoftware.com
06:18 < storge> Sveta: Stylish is now outed as tracking all user's total web browser activity when it's installed.
06:18 < PsychoBoB> markasoftware, good
06:18 < PsychoBoB> I'll try
06:19 < storge> https://robertheaton.com/2018/07/02/stylish-browser-extension-steals-your-internet-history/
06:19 < markasoftware> so much spyware today
06:20 < storge> filezilla is bundling spyware --sorry, 'current ads' to it's windows downloaders
06:20 < storge> so much profit motive creepware
06:20 < Toadisattva> come on filezilla you used to be cool
06:20 < storge> does it matter to me if filezilla bundles software that opens windows users to vulns? YES
06:21 < storge> i would normally recommend filezilla, not anymore
06:21 < storge> i used it for ages. i deleted it last week.
06:21 < Toadisattva> is the linux version also colleciting my data
06:21 < Toadisattva> do I need to find a new ftp proggy?
06:22 < storge> reading the filezilla forum where the maintainer evaded questions about bundled insecurities did it for me. i'm off to use shit i like less but don't despise.
06:22 < storge> Toadisattva: no it's more about filezilla using sourceforge downloads to bundle .bat files that open random insecure instances to 'update ads'
06:23 < storge> and then evading any questions about it
06:23 < Toadisattva> ah okay
06:23 < Toadisattva> that is sketchy
06:23 < storge> and the evasion kills it for me
06:23 < PsychoBoB> WOW markasoftware
06:23 < Toadisattva> think I'll look for a different ftp manager as well
06:23 < PsychoBoB> WORKS FINE
06:23 < PsychoBoB> ftp
06:23 < PsychoBoB> native
06:23 < Toadisattva> that's far too simple
06:23 < Toadisattva> :P
06:23 < storge> as for Stylish, i used it for years, but now that it's bought by a company that advertises itself as one that serves up usage intelligence to third parties, it's done for me too.
06:24 < strive> What's a good piece of software to burn iso image to usb?
06:24 < strive> Other than dd...
06:24 < pingfloyd> sellout projects should be deleted
06:24 < Toadisattva> what was the deal with ghostery? like they were blocking other data miners while simultaneously mining your data
06:24 < pingfloyd> strive: cp
06:24 < storge> pingfloyd: agreed
06:24 < strive> I'm thinking something along the lines of 'rufus' or 'unetbootin'
06:24 < pingfloyd> strive: can even use cat
06:24 < strive> pingfloyd: It's a Windows image.
06:24 < pingfloyd> strive: cp file.iso /dev/sdX
06:25 < storge> strive: can cdrecord at commandline do it?
06:25 < Toadisattva> etcher seems pretty okay
06:25 < storge> ah, cp, i never tried that with an .iso
06:25 < Toadisattva> not sure how ti works for windows though
06:25 < pingfloyd> storge: your windows image isn't bootable?
06:25 < strive> etcher isn't in repos (Arch)
06:25 < Toadisattva> oh arch
06:25 < Toadisattva> I'm a debian dooder
06:25 < strive> heh
06:25 < pingfloyd> storge: strive: another is cat file.iso > /dev/sdX
06:25 < storge> pingfloyd: huh? no i wasn't asking. i just meant i never tried cp'ing an .ido
06:25 < strive> pingfloyd: That sounds pretty neat.
06:26 < pingfloyd> these are good examples of the "everything is file" paradigm
06:26 < strive> Windows won't boot from usb when using dd.
06:26 < pingfloyd> storge: I know you weren't, just sharing anyway
06:27 < storge> 3boycotteverything
06:27 < storge> #boycotteverything
06:27 < storge> typos FTW
06:27 < pingfloyd> strive: then it's not a bootable image.  In that case, you should copy all the files from loop mounted iso image to the target FS (on the usb stick).  Then you need to make that partition active and run bootsect.exe on it
06:28 < strive> It is a bootable image when installing as a VM.
06:28 < strive> Not when I dd the image to the drive :(
06:28 < pingfloyd> strive: what was the exact dd command you ran?
06:28 < strive> dd if=win10.iso of=/dev/sdc
06:28 < strive> as root.
06:29 < lord|> strive: get the sha256 checksum from the usb
06:29 < pingfloyd> strive: that should work
06:29 < strive> 4559110144 bytes (4.6 GB, 4.2 GiB) copied, 1478.08 s, 3.1 MB/s
06:29 < lord|> in order to do this you need to truncate at the actual length of the image
06:29 < strive> lord|: You're onto something...
06:29 < pingfloyd> strive: mainly I was concerned that maybe you of= arg was pointing to a partition instead of the device itself, but that's not the case.
06:29 < strive> hm
06:29 < lord|> blocks=$(expr $(du -b isoimage.iso | awk '{print $1}') / 512)
06:29 < lord|> dd if=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=$blocks | sha256sum
06:29 < strive> What's the meaning of this?
06:30 < pingfloyd> is the usb stick smaller than the image?
06:30 < strive> Stick is 14.59Gib
06:30 < strive> Image is 4.6GB
06:30 < pingfloyd> also, sometimes you have to do more than just overwrite with dd to a usb stick if it's all wonky.
06:31 < strive> Seems like it.
06:31 < pingfloyd> that sometimes happens if you had a live dist on it prior
06:31 < strive> I did.
06:31 < strive> Debian.
06:31 < lord|> pingfloyd: I don't think that's true...
06:31 < pingfloyd> the way to fix that is create a new partition table on it, and a new partition and fs the entire size of it
06:31 < pingfloyd> then run your dd on it
06:31 < lord|> usb drive should just be a list of bytes
06:31 < pingfloyd> lord|: it is true
06:32 < lord|> no extra metadata except for whatever the chinese use to loop tiny USB drives to make them look bigger to sell on ebay
06:32 < pingfloyd> lord|: you just haven't experienced it yet
06:33 < lord|> pingfloyd: idk sounds pretty superstitious
06:33 < lord|> dding should erase any last trace of a partition table
06:33 < strive> gparted is showing me a warning on this drive! http://dpaste.com/171RVVS
06:33 < pingfloyd> lord|: should
06:33 < pingfloyd> lord|: but it doesn't
06:33 < strive> lord|: That's what I thought.
06:33 < lord|> strive: that's normal
06:33 < autopsy> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
06:34 < lord|> that's just saying the ISO you just dd'd on there
06:34 < lord|> is UDF
06:34 < pingfloyd> strive: yep, sounds like the problem I describe
06:34 < pingfloyd> strive: tias
06:34 < lord|> UDF is bootable on most machines, right?
06:34 < luke-jr> UDF is still a thing?
06:35 < lord|> luke-jr: lol yeah, isn't this a windows ISO
06:35 < lord|> should not be UDF I wouldn't think
06:35 < autopsy> UDF is what Windows 10 installer discs are.
06:35 < storge> 4.17.4-storge
06:35 < lord|> ah
06:35 < lord|> weird
06:35 < autopsy> Just use dd.
06:36 < autopsy> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1
06:36 < lord|> storge: do the sha256 check
06:36 < luke-jr> why bs=512? that'd be slow
06:36 < autopsy> Then fdisk /dev/sda
06:36 < lord|> strive: *
06:36 < luke-jr> do bs=1G
06:36 < koala_man> lord|: yes, but only via cdrom
06:36 < storge> what i like most about dd is that it's just two letters
06:36 < strive> gotcha.
06:36 < lord|> does microsoft even give sha256s for their images
06:36 < lord|> I would be very disappointed if they didn't
06:36 < autopsy> dd doesn't need to erase the whole disks just the partitoin table.
06:36 < autopsy> No they doin't.
06:36 < lord|> their ISO is rolling release nowadays so it would probably be difficult to just google sha256 sums
06:37 < pingfloyd> lord|: check on technet
06:37 < luke-jr> lord|: I'd be surprised if two downloads of the ISO were even identical
06:37 < storge> BREAKING NEWS: those hard boiled eggs and beer are giving me some fierce gas
06:37 < pingfloyd> last time I was there, they didn't
06:37 < autopsy> Identical that is the key.
06:37 < pingfloyd> which shouldn't be any surprise
06:37 < lord|> well wait
06:37 < lord|> if you got the sha256 sum of what you downloaded
06:37 < lord|> and it worked in a VM
06:37 < PsychoBoB> to slow
06:37 < luke-jr> if I were Microsoft, I'd fingerprint each ISO so I can identify who leaked it
06:37 < lord|> then check against the sha256 of that, duh
06:37 < PsychoBoB> access ftp by system
06:38 < autopsy> Access by system oh noes.
06:38 < pingfloyd> it's microsoft, what do you expect?  Smart decisions?
06:39 < lord|> (since what you're actually checking is whether or not writing to the USB scrambled a bunch of data. not whether the ISO that you've already shown functional in a VM is correct)
06:40 < pingfloyd> apparently fully functional
06:40 < pingfloyd> a corrupt iso will sometimes install and seem okay
06:41 < pingfloyd> until you start encountering strange and intermittent issues and bother to go back and check and see that the hash or sigs aren't a perfect match.
06:41 < jak2000>  strange, why: https://paste.debian.net/1031981/   show files but not exist?  (i am interested in recover this files) a command fcsk command deleted the files
06:42 < pingfloyd> only takes being off by 1 byte which can be completely inconsequential or devastating depend where that corrupted byte is
06:42 < lord|> pingfloyd: now I wonder, what single byte in a linux kernel image will have to be changed to cause exorbitantly strange behavior
06:43 < strive> pingfloyd: Run dd on the new partition? /dev/sdc1 ?
06:43 < strive> pingfloyd: or entire /dev/sdc ?
06:43 < pingfloyd> strive: entire device
06:43 < strive> Ok, started.
06:43 < strive> afk until this is done.
06:43 < pingfloyd> if you ran dd on the partition before, that explains why it didn't boot
06:43 < strive> No no.
06:43 < strive> I'm following your adivce.
06:44 < strive> Created partition.
06:44 < pingfloyd> strive: did you create a brand new partition table too?
06:44 < strive> Yea.
06:44 < strive> With fdisk.
06:44 < strive> We'll see how it goes.
06:44 < lord|> should be noted that dding from /dev/urandom should have the same effect as creating a new partition table
06:44 < pingfloyd> what I do is create a new partition table, then a new partition and fs the entire size of the drive.
06:44 < lord|> depends how superstitious you are :)
06:45 < strive> pingfloyd: Yep, I did followed that order.
06:45 < pingfloyd> ok good
06:45 < strive> s/followed/follow
06:45 < pingfloyd> so now just dd to the entire device (dev/sdc)
06:45 < strive> Got it. :)
06:45 < pingfloyd> I'd recommend bs=1M
06:45 < pingfloyd> that will help speed it up a bit
06:46 < strive> Sounds good :)
06:46 < pingfloyd> windows images can be problematic to boot in certain situations anyway
06:46 < pingfloyd> if this doesn't do the trick.
06:46 < lord|> would that really speed things up? or just fill the kernel buffers and then when you run `sync` it'll take a bunch of time
06:46 < jak2000> pingfloyd ay advice for me?
06:46 < slackanoo123> hi
06:47 < pingfloyd> lord|: it speeds it up
06:47 < slackanoo123> What's the best language programming for system administration?
06:47 < lord|> slackanoo123: python, bash are common choices
06:47 < pingfloyd> lord|: you can test it.  run dd with time and compare.  Flush the caches between runs.
06:47 < ayecee> slackanoo123: if there were a best language, everyone would be using it
06:48 < pingfloyd> *run dd with time and compare results
06:48 < lord|> `bash` being the standard language, not the best :)
06:48 < pingfloyd> 1M may not be the ultimate sweet spot, but it tends to be where you notice the biggest difference from default
06:48 < slackanoo123> ayecee: for administ system!
06:48 < slackanoo123> ?
06:48 < lord|> pingfloyd: interesting, I always just do 512
06:48 < slackanoo123> perl, shell, python
06:48 < lord|> sometimes 4096 for modern hard drives, because why not
06:48 < ayecee> slackanoo123: no. if there were a best language, everyone would be using it.
06:49 < ayecee> if there were a best language for system administration, everyone would be using it for system administration.
06:49 < pingfloyd> lord|: going larger doesn't hurt
06:49 < pingfloyd> lord|: there just seems to be more diminishing returns beyond 1M
06:49 < lord|> pingfloyd: until it's 8GiB and you're loading massive blocks of data into RAM and dumping them onto disk
06:49 < lord|> :P
06:49 < pingfloyd> like 16M was marginally faster than 1M
06:49 < pingfloyd> and so on
06:50 < pingfloyd> even debatable if faster since it could simply be margin of error
06:50 < lord|> slackanoo123: the best language for system administration is the most obscure one actually
06:50 < lord|> that will ensure job security
06:50 < lord|> do it all in malbolge
06:51 < pingfloyd> slackanoo123: shell
06:51 < pingfloyd> slackanoo123: shell is the 99% use for a sys admin
06:52 < ayecee> does that make it the best?
06:52 < pingfloyd> slackanoo123: from there it's deciding on perl or python, but maybe you want to go the other direction and learn C
06:53 < lord|> or rust :)
06:53 < lord|> but don't use rust for sysadmin
06:53 < lord|> or do, because in the end it doesn't matter a whole lot...
06:53 < lord|> it'll all get replaced at some point
06:53 < strive> slackanoo123: I'm far from sysadmin, but I hear Bash and Python are great for starting out.
06:53 < pingfloyd> perl and python seem like a waste though because they completely reinvent themselves with each major version
06:53 < jak2000> pingfloyd ay advice for me?
06:53 < lord|> pingfloyd: what, is there gonna be a python 4?
06:53 < pingfloyd> and don't remain compatible with their legacy
06:54 < lord|> I have a feeling perl 5 will last a lot longer than python 2
06:54 < pingfloyd> jak2000: for what?
06:54 < pingfloyd> I think so too
06:54 < lord|> worth pointing out that AFAIK perl 6 has FFI for perl 5
06:54 < lord|> unlike the whole python mess..
06:58 < markasoftware> perl 5 is obviously best sysadmin
06:58 < markasoftware> because one-liners are a thing
06:59 < markasoftware> if whitespace is significant, no good for shitty scripts. go use haskell
06:59 < lord|> clearly nobody has ever agreed on the matter of which language to use for which task
06:59 < pingfloyd> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/nopython3.html
07:00 < lord|> lol, learning python 2 instead of python 3 in 2018
07:01 < lord|> if python 4 comes out everyone will just ignore it
07:01 < pingfloyd> hopefully
07:01 < lord|> it'll be the ultimate meme
07:01 < pingfloyd> I think python is waste of your learning time
07:01 < pingfloyd> because of the way they treat it
07:02 < aleph-> Eh, you could say that of many languages.
07:02 < pingfloyd> having to start over each major version.  fuck that
07:02 < lord|> pingfloyd: lol, that was 10 years ago
07:02 < lord|> I just think.. maybe they've learned from that mistake?
07:02 < lnnb> maybe
07:02 < pingfloyd> I doubt it, because that was a no-brainer to begin with
07:03 < pingfloyd> because traditionally languages have maintained backward compatibility for the hell of it
07:03 < lord|> just renaming the whole language would have prevented all the confusion
07:03 < pingfloyd> they just do it because they like extra hard work for no reason
07:03 < lord|> but at the same time, way less people would have adopted the improved language if it wasn't called python
07:04 < pingfloyd> people that have to repeat history in order to learn, aren't really keeping up
07:04 < jak2000>  strange, why: https://paste.debian.net/1031981/   show files but not exist?  (i am interested in recover this files) a command fcsk command deleted the files
07:04 < Rojola> hi
07:05 < pingfloyd> they're basically doing to themselves what Microsoft does to others
07:05 < scampbell> Rather than the 'right language for task' and I think it's more important to recognize the 'wrong language for the task'.   One might consider 'programming language' * 'talent pool' or something like that.
07:05 < pingfloyd> hijacking and extorting communities
07:05 < Rojola> I would like to change the root-password in MySQL but keep failing
07:05 < Rojola> https://dpaste.de/U1ZY/raw
07:05 < lord|> pingfloyd: huh. well I'm clearly not as upset about python 3 as you
07:06 < lord|> though I'm not too much of a fan of python in general
07:06 < pingfloyd> lord|: I'm not upset
07:06 < Elladan> python3 and python2 aren't that different.
07:06 < Pentode> jak2000, because locate's database hasnt been updated?
07:06 < pingfloyd> lord|: I'm indifferent.  If they want to be stupid I don't care.  I'm not a python lover to begin with.
07:06 < Pentode> jak2000, have you looked in lost+found for any data from fsck?
07:07 < koala_man> pingfloyd: because a C build from 10 years ago is even slightly likely to build, right?
07:08 < lnnb> if you use -ansi it should build on all sorts of crazy compilers
07:08 < storge> i am a python lover. gimme them big strong snake bodies. oh yeah.
07:08 < storge> [technically speaking
07:09 < lord|> one interesting thing about python that most of its users don't know about
07:09 < lord|> it has type hints, but doesn't enforce them at all
07:09 < Elladan> Mostly python3 is just more regular. I mean sure forward porting is some work, but overall it's a better language.
07:09 < lord|> def hello() -> bool:
07:09 < lord|>   return "string"
07:09 < Dan39> well, you could just use a comment then
07:10 < koala_man> lnnb: if it's not basically self contained, all its libraries will have moved on
07:10 < lord|> the point of the type hints is solely to cater to third party typecheckers
07:10 < jak2000> Pentode chek first line
07:10 < lord|> it's like if javascript had just taken in all the syntax from typescript, and didn't give that syntax any semantics
07:11 < scampbell> ah... good old cobol...
07:12 < lord|> replace your shell scripts with cobol
07:12 < lord|> yes
07:12 < pingfloyd> you're kidding right?
07:12 < scampbell> and write our accounting system in bash script.
07:12 < scampbell> We better be kidding.
07:13 < scampbell> I used to write a lot of cobol. I've no desire to return there.
07:13 < Pentode> jak2000, try deleting the mlocate database and run updatedb again. in any case, whatever is left should be in lost+found.
07:13 < lord|> scampbell: well if you do, you'll have that sweet sweet job security
07:13 < lnnb> koala_man: can python interpreter compile both py2 and py3 ? becase gcc can handle different c standards just fine
07:13 < lord|> if they ever fire you they'll be calling you when the new sysadmin is getting pissed off at the insane man who rewrote all the shell scripts in COBOL
07:14 < lord|> lnnb: nope
07:14 < lord|> 100% incompatible
07:14 < pingfloyd> until they replace the systems
07:14 < pingfloyd> your lay off will probably coincide with the system changes
07:14 < lord|> lnnb: there isn't even an official way to call code from a running python 2 interpreter
07:15 < scampbell> I also loaded my first linux system from floppies, so I've kinda been around :)
07:15 < lord|> (which is how perl 6 handles it, apparantly)
07:15 < pingfloyd> scampbell: that's not that old
07:16 < scampbell> nah, started working in 1976 on Burroghs 4400 mainframes.
07:16 < lord|> lnnb: I think pypy is a combined binary implementing py2 and py3 though
07:16 < lord|> not sure though
07:16 < koala_man> that's the 99.99th percentile for linux users
07:17 < Elladan> I find the funky methods of dealing with modules, module paths, and so on to be the most annoying thing about python. I mean besides the general sloppiness of these script-y languages.
07:17 < koala_man> my favorite hobby is to make statements that sound really weird until you remember that android is linux
07:17 < lord|> Elladan: yeah...
07:17 < lord|> virtualenv...why?
07:17 < lord|> rust's cargo and node.js's npm do this correctly
07:18 < Elladan> Well, rust seems like a real language, not really going for the same niche as python.
07:18 < lord|> or rather, rust cargo gets it all right, node.js npm gets the role that python venv serves right
07:19 < lord|> the way require() actually works in node.js is only slightly better than what python does
07:24 < lord|> koala_man: that must be why this RMS guy wants us to call our operating system "GNU/Linux"
07:25 < koala_man> praise be unto him
07:25 < pingfloyd> eventually LP will be wanting you to call it SystemD/Linux
07:26 < lord|> pingfloyd: https://github.com/JoshuaRLi/interjection.sh
07:26 < lord|> run that, it'll give you the real name of your OS
07:26 < pingfloyd> at that point I think I may call it BSD
07:26 < quint> Should the mklost+found command be executed as root even if the ownership of that ext4 filesystem belongs to another user?
07:26 < pingfloyd> I agree that we should call it GNU/Linux though
07:27 < pingfloyd> if you followed standard convention it would just be called GNU
07:27 < lord|> pingfloyd: a few days ago I actually ran across someone on reddit who used Hurd
07:27 < lord|> like... on actual hardware
07:27 < lord|> for real use cases
07:27 < pingfloyd> we are running the GNU OS
07:28 < lord|> he's currently using debian/hurd but wants to switch to GuixSD with Hurd eventually
07:30 < quint> Anyone able to provide an answer to my above?
07:30 < lord|> quint: isn't lost+found always owned by root anyways?
07:30 < lord|> that is, if the block device is owned by root
07:31 < pingfloyd> quint: why wouldn't you?
07:31 < pingfloyd> quint: that's how it is normally ran, no?
07:31 < pingfloyd> if you ran as non-root, I suspect it will show up as owned by them
07:32 < pingfloyd> which isn't what you want
07:32 < quint> That's what I'm wondering, the fs is owned by another user though. You're saying lost+found is strictly used by root?
07:32 < pingfloyd> you could just try it and see
07:32 < lord|> the security risk of lost+found being exposed to users is the ability to read unallocated disk space
07:32 < lord|> which may contain previous sensitive information
07:33 < quint> I see
07:33 < pingfloyd> so even more reason to run as root
07:33 < lord|> only if fsck decides to put stuff there, though
07:33 < quint> Ok. Good to know
07:33 < pingfloyd> anything at that level, you really only want to allow root access to as a general rule of thumb
07:34 < pingfloyd> what utils do you run as non-root?
07:34 < quint> I figured. I wasn't 100% clear on how that actually worked
07:34 < quint> TIL
07:35 < lord|> btw it isn't strictly necessary to have lost+found
07:35 < lord|> if it's needed it'll be created
07:36 < lord|> hmm, just googled it, apparantly the reason it's there before it's ever used
07:36 < lord|> is to make it so fsck doesn't have to potentially screw up broken stuff even more, by creating a directory inode
07:36 < pingfloyd> isn't it created when you mkfs it to begin with?
07:36 < lord|> that'd be such a rare problem that it pretty much doesn't matter
07:36 < lord|> pingfloyd: should be
07:36 < lord|> though it can be deleted
07:37 < lord|> accidentally or intentionally
07:37 < pingfloyd> I've pretty much always taken lost+found for granted.  It just works.
07:38 < quint> lord|: but I can still repair the fs should I need to, right?
07:38 < quint> deleting it doesn't impede that process?
07:38 < lord|> quint: yeah there's no reason it shouldn't be able to be created if it recognizes ext4
07:39 < quint> ahhh
07:39 < pingfloyd> quint: it's not something you generally have to worry about
07:39 < lord|> unless stuff is seriously, seriously broken (probably by a really nasty kernel bug that should never ever happen)
07:40 < pingfloyd> ext4 takes care of itself.  Problems usually arise when we tell it do things it doesn't usually do, and don't know what we're doing.
07:40 < rpifan> do_page_fault(): sending SIGSEGV to pineapd for invalid read access from 0000005c
07:40 < rpifan> [ 515.263461] epc = 770088a1 in libpcap.so.1[77000000+2b000]
07:40 < rpifan> [ 515.268826] ra = 004053f8 in pineapd[400000+e000]
07:40 < rpifan> any idea how to debug that
07:40 < lord|> one time I tried writing a crap ton of random 512 bit blocks to random spots on an ext4 filesystem
07:40 < lord|> lot of files ended up in lost+found, a lot of broken stuff fsck fixed
07:41 < pingfloyd> and when fsck finds problems and asks you what to do, if you have no idea, just hit enter
07:42 < pingfloyd> enter will choose the default option, which is the sane one most of the time.
07:42 < lord|> and before giving fsck any interactive input... check that your backups work
07:43 < lord|> if you don't have backups, weep silently and start pressing enter
07:43 < quint> One thing I learned is if you don't have at least 2 backups, you don't need the files
07:43 < Pentode> i prefer smashing my fists on the keyboard and yelling
07:44 < pingfloyd> Pentode: ever smashed your backups?
07:44 < pingfloyd> you'd have to be hulking out really bad to do that
07:44 < Pentode> lol
07:44 < Pentode> like throwing the drive across the room?
07:45 < pingfloyd> that's probably what you do right before you grab your assault rifle and go on a rampage.
07:46 < Pentode> it's the american way, apparently.. i try to limit what i kill to hardware, though.
07:46 < quint> I've got this old 2.5" hard drive with some original vacation videos I forgot about completely. Haven't had it powered on in over 10 years.. Hope it's still... There.
07:46 < pingfloyd> that happens all over the world
07:46 < lord|> shooting the hard drive isn't enough, you need a blend-tec blender
07:46 < pingfloyd> some places it's a normal day
07:46 < quint> lord|: but, will it blend?
07:46 < Pentode> lord|, those things will blend anything.
07:47 < pingfloyd> you making hard drive smoothies or something?
07:47 < Dr_Coke> we've got better days aside
07:47 < Dr_Coke> lol
07:47 < pingfloyd> that's what you'd feed a robot
07:47 < lord|> NSA hates blendtec
07:47 < quint> I personally like to inhale my data
07:48 < lord|> incriminating child porn... will it blend?
07:48  * quint puts lord| on the list
07:48 < Pentode> lol
07:48  * lord| blends the list
07:49 < quint> foiled again.
07:49 < [666]> i'm on a box with limited stuff atm...how is a modprobe blacklist entry supposed to look?
07:50 < Pentode> blacklist module
07:50 < Pentode> rinse repeat
07:50 < [666]> thx
07:50 < MLarabel> hey dorks!!
07:51 < [666]> oh yeah include the .ko?
07:51 < Pentode> i think thats it, try googling incase i missed anything..
07:52 < [666]> i wish i could. i'm in single user "recovery" mode and lynx just ain't what she used to be
07:52 < [666]> but thx
07:52 < Pentode> i just checked, thats all you should need
07:53 < Elladan> Man, I remember how hard things were years ago when my computer was in some weird state and my modem was down or something.
07:54 < lord|> I deleted my /etc a few weeks ago
07:54 < Elladan> Now it's like... almost every computer in my house runs Linux, we have two cell phones with mobile internet (also running Linux)...
07:54 < Pentode> Elladan, we really had to work to fix our problems back then.
07:54 < Elladan> Yeah like, read manuals and stuff. Now you just google, and the manual doesn't exist heh.
07:55 < lord|> I was in a headless live cd that had lynx and it all worked out smoothly
07:55 < pingfloyd> Elladan: and a million forums say run your virus checker
07:55 < scampbell> I once deleted a directory tree containing an active ingres database.  I paused the DB but didn't shut it down, forced fsck to the live disk, used a printout of the directory contents from last week and renamed all the files back into to place and rebooted.
07:56 < scampbell> It actually worked.  Folks were like "That's amazing" but it would have been far better to not have deleted it in the first place.
07:57 < lord|> *nix mistakes must be super fun for people who don't have years of experience with linux
07:57 < MLarabel> lord|: you are a silly goose
07:58 < lord|> I mean, you guys all know what to do if `rm -rfv /` partially runs, right?
07:58 < lord|> first you panic
07:58 < lord|> next step, panic some more
07:58 < Pentode> just. dont. reboot.
07:59 < Pentode> ever
07:59 < MLarabel> Pentode: AWS will make you eventually :(
07:59 < scampbell> A directory full of data 'disappeared' from a production system and I got called in to figure it out.  I look in bash history (with the timestamps I had turned on), found the rm -rf, found the guy the logged in... saw the varied panic commands he tried to work his way out.
07:59 < pingfloyd> Pentode: why?
08:00 < scampbell> Walked up to him and said "(Jim), I can see right here you did this at this time... I'm going to lunch and when I come back I've got to tell your boss or you can do it while I'm out".
08:00 < lord|> scampbell: lol
08:00 < Pentode> it was just meant to be a funny. funnies don't have to _really_ make sense.
08:01 < scampbell> He ratted himself out. He also kept his job, kept the lesson and went on.
08:01 < Pentode> but on the premise that maybe you will be able to keep using the machine, whereas a reboot may be the last time you'll use that installation. ;)
08:01 < Pentode> obviously things will be broken anyway.
08:02 < lord|> when I deleted /etc a few weeks ago, for some reason I closed a perfectly good root shell after the mistake
08:02 < lord|> don't do that
08:03 < lord|> I probably could have repaired everything without rebooting
08:03 < lord|> but I closed all root shells so rip
08:03 < scampbell> Once had company who had just moved called me on the phone because they couldn't bring up their Sun boxes.  Working with a guy over the phone while he typed and read stuff back to me I figured out they had been nfs mapping disk space and had a bunch mounts all deadlocked on each other.  Then talked the guy into booting each one into maint boot, editing out the mounts and rebooting... it took forever.
08:03 < Pentode> of all the things to delete ;p
08:05 < lord|> Pentode: I propose changing the ordering of the latin alphabet, in order to delete unimportant directories first
08:05 < Pentode> murphy's law will find a way to make that backfire
08:06 < scampbell> lord| Sounds like Mark Twain's plan to improve the english language
08:22 < rud0lf> what's wrong with this: find /opt/gtkwin64 -name '*.pc' -exec sudo sed -e 's@^prefix=.*@prefix=/opt/gtkwin@' -i
08:23 < rud0lf> ?
08:23 < rud0lf> it says "missing argument for -exec"
08:23 < MLarabel> rud0lf: you need to end the thing with ';'
08:23 < rud0lf> ahh thanks :)
08:24 < MLarabel> np dogface
08:24 < rud0lf> hmm
08:24 < rud0lf> ; at the very end?
08:24 < rud0lf> still same message
08:25 < sauvin> rud0lf, end it with \;
08:25 < rud0lf> same
08:25  * sauvin glowers
08:35 < ayecee> let's see your modified command
08:55 < peetaur2> yum is retarded... how do RH users stay sane?  https://bpaste.net/show/c2fdfd4a1563
08:56 < peetaur2> so what am I supposed to do, uninstall the kernel before it'll do what I want?
08:56 < peetaur2> download it manually and figure out how to gpg verify and all that other stuff yum does?
08:56 < ayecee> you're trying to reinstall the running kernel?
08:57 < ayecee> i think most RH users don't try to sabotage themselves like this
08:57 < lopid> i see just a download request
08:58 < peetaur2> I only want to download the rpm so I can install it on another machine where using yum isn't possible
08:58 < ayecee> seems like a weird way to do it
08:59 < peetaur2> https://ma.ttias.be/reinstall-the-linux-kernel-on-centos-or-rhel/ "To reinstall the kernel, you actually have to remove it first and then install it again" heh
08:59 < peetaur2> and what would be a non-weird way to do it?
08:59 < ayecee> retrieve the package from the repository directly
09:00 < scampbell> peetaur2: look in /var/cache/yum, there is likely a copy of the rpm there.
09:00 < peetaur2> scampbell: there isn't; caching files there was disabled
09:00 < scampbell> then ++ayecee :)
09:00 < peetaur2> no, I refuse to skip the gpg checks and such which are trivial everywhere except CentOS apparently
09:00 < peetaur2> and I don't want to manually do them either
09:01 < ayecee> might want to burn your fingers with a lighter just to make this a little more difficult
09:01 < peetaur2> sorry for being spoiled, being used to software that works
09:02 < ayecee> http://www.angryflower.com/245.html
09:02 < ayecee> is what i think of this "problem"
09:03 < peetaur2> simplified analogy for people that don't understand or care
09:03 < ayecee> i suppose that's true, i don't understand nor care
09:04 < peetaur2> +1 for honesty :)
09:04 < peetaur2> and I suppose another +1 for effort
09:04 < peetaur2> but still looking for a sane reusable solution ... uninstalling the kernel as that link I quoted also doesn't work...it says it won't uninstall the running kernel
09:05 < ayecee> if only there were some OTHER WAY
09:05 < ayecee> then you could stop beating your head on THIS WAY
09:05 < peetaur2> which is sorta nice...some distros (arch and all arch based....arg!!!!!) are the opposite...it's perfectly normal to remove the old kernel when updating so you have no idea if the new will even boot
09:05 < peetaur2> (so I just have another with a different name so it's not an "upgrade" from that, so it stays around)
09:06 < peetaur2> well it seems the sane ways have been intentionally blocked by unnecessary idiot proofing ... still looking for another sane way that doesn't just bypass all security and require manual work ....like what is a tool yum for if you need to do it manually anyway?
09:06 < ayecee> maybe there's a way to disable the idiot proofing
09:07 < peetaur2> oh I foudn it...    alias yum  says     yum="yum --i-am-a-mindless-and-technophobic"    so I can simply   unalias yum
09:08 < peetaur2> j/k
09:08 < peetaur2> thankfully the rm/cp/mv idiot proofing can be disabled that way by removing those aliasses
09:08 < peetaur2> maybe I should move this rant to #centos
09:09 < ayecee> might get more sympathy
09:11 < autopsy> #CentOH S
09:11 < autopsy> Yadda dadda.
09:12 < peetaur2> aha figured out a solution....yum remove refused, but rpm -e didn't. :)  so rpm -e, then install (not reinstall :D)
09:12 < scampbell> isn't that more like "I got it to work" than "properly installed and configured"
09:13 < peetaur2> scampbell: at this point, I think proper is incompatible with CentOS fundamental design
09:13 < peetaur2> a solution with a sane result, but not a solution
09:14 < peetaur2> *not a sane solution
09:15 < peetaur2> gahhhhhhhh and after you install, it deletes the download that was done on a previous --downloadonly... so I have to repeat :D
09:15 < peetaur2> I guess you really have to use --downloaddir, not rely on /var/cache/yum at all
09:17 < scampbell> I'm often asked which Window Manager I use and I reply "XFCE because it sucks like all rest but I know how it sucks and that makes it work for me".
09:18 < eht> That's funny and accurate.
09:25 < toeshred> Hello. I am trying to cook this celeste pizza, but the xp. date says "ART-21-19" I am guessing this is the 21st of 2018, but what month does it mean by "ART"? I don't want to eat expired pizza.
09:26 < toeshred> by bad, it was "ART-21-18"
09:31 < toeshred> Hello. I am trying to cook this celeste pizza, but the exp. date says "ART-21-18" I am guessing this is the 21st of 2018, but what month does it mean by "ART"? I don't want to eat expired pizza.
09:32 < peetaur2> great results so far :D   kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
09:33 < peetaur2> (first guess is it doesn't like virtio-scsi)
09:35 < explodes> Well this sucks. I restarted my box and the wireless interface disappeared
09:35 < explodes> (and this box has no ethernet connection)
09:36 < peetaur2> explodes: archlinux?
09:36 < explodes> ubuntu
09:36 < peetaur2> did you upgrade the kernel or firmware?
09:37 < explodes> not recently, but definitely since the last reboot
09:38 < scampbell> explodes: define "interface disappeared".  Are you looking a gui or using the ip command or something else?
09:39 < explodes> ifconfig shows docker0 enp10s0 lo
09:39 < explodes> no longer ws30p0 or whatever it was
09:39 < scampbell> My point is to determine if the interface does not exist or is not configured for some reason.    Try  'ip link'  although I think the results won't differ.
09:40 < peetaur2> explodes: so then the suspect is that upgrade...confirm it by downgrading (look for a .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives/)
09:40 < peetaur2> and before that you can skim through dmesg to see if it says something relevant
09:40 < explodes> ip link lists lo, enp10s0, docker0, vboxnet0
09:40 < peetaur2> and it seems you have a network interface if you have enp10s0
09:41 < peetaur2> so you could also just assume that is it and it renamed somehow (blame systemd) and see if it works
09:41 < explodes> peetaur2: i haven't got any previous versions in my cache. my habitual autoclean is probably not best practcie
09:41 < peetaur2> systemd-udev likes to defy standards and have unpredictable undefined behavior and may have done that https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
09:41 < explodes> enp10s0 is wired, i don't have a cable long enough for this box
09:41 < peetaur2> they ironically call this unpredictable behavior "predictable network interface names"
09:42 < peetaur2> oh I thought you meant you didn't have one at all
09:42 < peetaur2> but at least that gives you a plan B if you can't get wireless working without the internet
09:42 < scampbell> explodes: now try 'lspci' ( 'lsusb' if the wireless is usb).  Do we see the card?
09:42 < explodes> yes
09:43 < scampbell> Great, now we can look in /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/syslog.log for any messages.
09:45 < peetaur2> I would forget those files and use dmesg (which has only current boot kernel log)
09:45 < explodes> ..looking..
09:45 < scampbell> assume lspci shows you something like 04:00.0 Ethernet controller just grep '04:00.0' /var/log/syslog
09:45 < peetaur2> but the date format is nicer in the kern.log
09:46 < scampbell> you can use that grep in any of those logs. dmesg, kern.log, syslog, etc.
09:46 < scampbell> That will not necessarily show you all messages you want to read, it will simply identify where in the log you wanna take a look.
09:48 < explodes> )OSC failed (AE_NOT_FOUND); disabling ASPM
09:48 < explodes> ** acpi PNP0A03:00: _OSC failed
09:48 < explodes> this may be another thing..
09:48 < explodes> all 03:00.0 messages look uninteresting
09:49 < scampbell> explodes: is this a laptop and is the rf switch turned off?
09:49 < explodes> negative. tower
09:49 < scampbell> ok, I've seen one case there an rfkill update really did appear to switch off a wireless without reason.
09:50 < explodes> i'll take that chance- how do I revert that?
09:50 < my_mind> when you have dual monitors, is it normal to have a login screen on both monitors? or should the second monitor be black?
09:50 < scampbell> explodes: that message is just a warning unrelated.
09:51 < explodes> dmesg, syslog, kern.log are all uninteresting for 03:00.0
09:52 < scampbell> so they never mention that card yet lspci shows it.  That is, indeed, interesting.
09:53 < explodes> There are messages, but it looks like it is logging the memory mapping
09:53 < scampbell> I kinda expected to find that the related linux-firmware wasn't there.
09:53 < explodes> and some general information about the device [14e4:43a0] type 00 class 0x028000
09:54 < explodes> and PME# supported from D0 D1 D2 D3hot D3cold
09:54 < explodes> and supports D1 D2
09:54 < explodes> that's all..
09:54 < scampbell> Okay, so lets take a look at kernel modules.  What kind of wireless card is it?
09:55 < explodes> Broadcom Corporation BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
09:55 < scampbell> lsmod will show you all the modules loaded.  knowing the card maker/model lets us google with module we expect.
09:57 < explodes> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA25V6XD8885
09:58 < explodes> lsmod: wmi 24576 3 asus_wmi,wmi_bmof,mxm_wmi
09:58 < explodes> is it likely that installing docker broke my stuff?
09:58 < scampbell> https://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers they talk about your problem.  I'm trying to figure out which module we really need still.
09:58 < scampbell> and then, of course, how the hell we'll get it there.
10:00 < explodes> I had previously installed bcmwl-kernel-source
10:02 < scampbell> What vers of ubuntu was it?  I'd like to ensure that solution fits before you waste effort trying to get the packages there.
10:02 < explodes> confirmed that it is indeed still installed
10:02 < explodes> 16.04
10:04 < scampbell> ok, that appears to be the proper driver package.  Is it still in the /var/apt cache?
10:05 < explodes> negative
10:05 < explodes> are you suggesting a --reinstall?
10:06 < scampbell> Well, I was thinking about that.  Getting packages to the machine on an educated hunch isn't really appealing though....
10:08 < scampbell> Given that we never really found the failure message in the logs and all.
10:09 < scampbell> a dpkg-reconfigure bcmwl-kernel-source  might be helpful, I'm sure it won't hurt.
10:10 < explodes> this is interesting
10:10 < scampbell> The -source part of that package name makes me suspect that there is some pre/post install script stuff that needs to happen that didn't
10:10 < explodes> dpkg-reconfigure: modprobe: FATAL: Module wl not found in directory /lib/modules/4.15.0-24-generic
10:11 < scampbell> well, that's quite telling.
10:11 < explodes> ikr
10:11 < explodes> pretty sweet! our first real clue
10:11 < scampbell> we need to now figure out where the module wl comes from...
10:12 < scampbell> well, ding and crap  https://askubuntu.com/questions/811007/module-wl-not-found-ubuntu-16-04-1
10:14 < explodes> sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-generic ain't gonna work
10:14 < scampbell> much as I'd like to call out ubuntu on it, broadcom hasn't been a great partner to linux.  I used to write install CD's for a custom linux and bcm was a pain in the arse.
10:14 < SeductiveShark> I would like to install a newer kernel in Debian Unstable than the one included in the repositories, how do I do this?
10:14 < scampbell> Right, that's why the 'crap' part because you gotta have internet to do that.
10:14 < explodes> i believe it. never buying a broadcom-driven card for my linux boxes ever again
10:15 < explodes> I guess I have to unplug all this stuff so that  I can tap into ethernet
10:15 < scampbell> But, it also tells us that the problem is, indeed, the wrong packages. Any way we cut it, those packages have to get on that system first.
10:15 < explodes> ...or buy a big ass ethernet cable
10:15 < explodes> so that if this happens again i don't have to panic
10:15 < scampbell> explodes: Honestly, that's probably our best bet.
10:16 < scampbell> Or move the big ass tower closer to the ethernet, you only need the kbd, mouse and monitor I would think.
10:17 < Raed> Bridge3 a laptop to it.
10:17 < Raed> Bridge*
10:17 < explodes> can i bridge my macbook?
10:18 < explodes> :O
10:18 < Raed> Yeah
10:18 < explodes> How do i make this happen
10:18 < Raed> I'm pretty sure they do connection sharing.
10:18 < explodes> i'll google it first
10:18 < Raed> Plug cable into macbook then to desktop, then share the wifi connection on the macbook to the wirec connection
10:18 < Raed> wired*
10:19 < scampbell> Ain't it nice to have multiple helpers around, it makes life so much easier.
10:19 < Raed> Lol
10:21 < explodes> eh, it requires thunderbolt
10:22 < Raed> Nooo
10:22 < Raed> You've got to be able to share it right over ethernet.
10:22 < explodes> theere is no ethernet port on a macbook
10:22 < Raed> Oh
10:22 < scampbell> well, that's a show stopper :(
10:23 < explodes> i could use an AX88179 if I had one
10:23 < Raed> Well yeah I guess that's out then.
10:23 < explodes> well, i could be not-lazy and unplug cables
10:23 < Raed> Tether your cell phone?
10:23 < Raed> Or You can always download whatever packages you need to the macbook and put them on a USB
10:23 < scampbell> Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to get ethernet to your box to fix it.  This message will hit explodes in 5ms.
10:24 < explodes> *boom*
10:24 < scampbell> or are old mission impossible references just.. too old.
10:24 < explodes> Eh, the android version I have on my disabled my free tethering
10:24 < explodes> there is a new mission impossible so
10:24 < explodes> still relevant.
10:25 < scampbell> yeah, but the original was soooo wonderfully cheesy when the tape recorder would smoke.
10:25 < explodes> i hate tom cruise
10:25 < explodes> why is he famous?
10:25 < Raed> Well, ICS, Tethering, download packages and put them on USB, or move the tower are your options at this point
10:25 < explodes> he cannot act
10:25 < explodes> yea
10:26 < explodes> i unplug this tower so frequently, and 50ft cable would be useful for other reasons too
10:26 < explodes> i'll buy a big ass cable
10:27 < scampbell> and a managed network switch with 100gb ethernet so you can quickly wait for the cable modem :)
10:27 < Raed> Have fun buying that.
10:28 < scampbell> I know a guy... hows the limit on your credit card?
10:28 < Raed> I meant cost wise :P
10:29 < scampbell> yeah, that's why I asked about the limit on the card.    Personally, I rather buy a new home.
10:29 < Raed> Lol
10:31 < ansraliant> anyone tried to create a new user on Mysql? like, I create it, and then I can't log in. The thing is, I'm required to use the oracle mysql not the good mariadb version. So, that means the documentation and the actual product are two things completly unrelated
10:31 < scampbell> O
10:31 < Raed> ansraliant: Did you give the account access from the host address?
10:32 < ansraliant> I create the user with the CREATE USER syntax. But then I cannot log in. The syntax is CREATE USER 'sa'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'pass'
10:32 < ansraliant> and when i use mysql -sa -p (on localhost)
10:32 < ansraliant> pam... it spits my face
10:32 < peetaur2> ansraliant: just insert into mysql.user, and the easiest mistake to make (as Raed mentioned already) is to set the host address wrong... if nothing works, try * in there to test if it's realted to that address
10:32 < peetaur2> *related
10:33 < peetaur2> and then after testing, set it properly, respecting the principle of least privilege
10:33 < ansraliant> I see.. So I should do INSERT INTO mysql.user directly?
10:34 < peetaur2> that's what I always do
10:35 < peetaur2> er maybe it's not.... I do    grant all privileges on dbname.* to username@'%' identified by 'passwordhere' (% is all not *)
10:36 < peetaur2> but ideally you put an ip in there; and if it's something automated so you know which tables it uses, don't use * there either
10:36 < Raed> I was just about to say I think % is the wildcard for SQL
10:36 < scampbell> you might try #mysql, it's probably trivial to them.
10:36 < ansraliant> scampbell: good idea
10:36 < peetaur2> if only SQL was a thing instead of a particular flavor of SQL, then saying such things would be so much easier
10:37 < ansraliant> hope there is someone on #mysql still alive
10:38 < scampbell> It is the wee hours in the US, I've no idea why the heck I'm still awake.
10:38 < pressure679> Is there something I missed? - Regarding compilation of the linux kernel. "make; make oldconfig; make localmodconfig; make -jN; make modules_install; make install; reboot"
10:39 < peetaur2> scampbell: install redshift... blue light on the eyes inhibits seratonin production, so you don't get tired
10:39 < Raed> Yay nightshifts
10:40 < scampbell> pressure679: any other packages dependent on -source kernel packages can be a problem.
10:40 < Raed> Or just put the laptop down, I have a bad habbit of that.
10:40 < takeme> hello
10:40 < Raed> Good morning.
10:40 < peetaur2> redshift will look at your location and time to change the color profile so you get more red in the night, and the normal white in the day ...matching the sun
10:41 < scampbell> peetaur2: actually I do know why I'm up. I'm retired, my A/C broke down over the weekend, it was 90 degree f at 1am outside and I just got it fixed.    Good god I can move again.
10:41 < peetaur2> also I find it puts less stress on the eyes so you can work comfortably
10:42 < scampbell> Should I put it on 40in led monitor or the 120" in projection screen?  :)
10:42 < takeme> there is a two commands that execute ‘ls -la’ and ‘pwd’ in different terminal? how can i make this shell command?
10:42 < peetaur2> put it on all
10:42 < pressure679> scampbell: I - um, I do not have the PC motherboard blueprint.
10:42 < peetaur2> especially all because if you use one and get used to it, you won't even notice it's more red, and then switching to the other will look different
10:43 < peetaur2> pressure679: what's the first make in there for?
10:44 < pressure679> peetaur2: It is a start "make" command.
10:44 < peetaur2> pressure679: and you should always prefer packages, not "make install"
10:44 < peetaur2> pressure679: which distro is it?
10:44 < scampbell> pressure679: not needed, I'm just pointing out that you may have other packages on your system that could fail as a result of a manual kernel build.  It was in response to "am I missing anything?".
10:44 < Raed> takeme: What exactly are you trying to do?
10:44 < peetaur2> pressure679: yeah but make without args seems pointless
10:45 < pressure679> peetaur2: Right? That is what I thought.
10:45 < takeme> oh Raed  i want to make linux command in each terminal
10:45 < takeme> with shell command
10:45 < Raed> takeme: So you want one command to launch 2 terminals and run a command in each terminal?
10:45 < takeme> with only one shell
10:45 < peetaur2> and also, strongly prefer building as non-root...so you would have needed a sudo in there, which you didn't have....so change the way you build so it's not as root. eg. if you have your sources in /usr/src which is owned by root, chown it to another dedicated build user
10:45 < takeme> yeah correct Raed
10:46 < scampbell> yeah, I 'make' as non-root, 'make install' as root in such cases.
10:46 < pressure679> scampbell: I read localmodconfig only install the loaded (driver?) modules, and with that the operating temperature is lower (with fan running).
10:46 < takeme> Raed: how can i do it?
10:47 < peetaur2> pressure679: so I would change the procedure completely...for example on arch, you go to https://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/linux-lts/ and grab the tgz and that has a PKGBUILD file, then you unpack that and cd where that is, and run simply "makepkg" and then you'll have a .pkg.tar.xz file that you can pacman -U <file>
10:47 < pressure679> peetaur2: the ubuntu guide does recommend fakeroot (too), thanks for the observation and reaction.
10:47 < peetaur2> pressure679: so rather than learning the non-package (wrong) way, whcih has nothing in common with the right way (unless you hand edit the PKGBUILD, which you should otherwise it's pointless to build yourself), you use totally different commands
10:47 < Raed> takeme: Im still not sure what exactly the reason you'd want to do that is, why not just run both commands together in one terminal?
10:48 < takeme> ah
10:48 < scampbell> pressure679:  my other answer to "am I missing anything" is "what is the backout plan?".   If something is missing do you have a recovery plan in place?
10:48 < takeme> because one command don’t end till i press ctrl + c
10:48 < takeme> Raed:
10:48 < pingfloyd> you can halt it and then bg it
10:49 < pingfloyd> ^z then bg it
10:49 < SeductiveShark> Just ordered two laptops! One's a Dell Inspiron 510m with an Intel Pentium M 1.6 GHz, 2 GB of RAM, 80 GB of storage, the other's an Acer Aspire One D270-26Dkk with an Intel Atom N2600 1.60 GHz (2 cores, 4 threads), 2 GB of DDR3-1066 RAM, and 320 GB of storage - I intend to revive them both with Debian
10:49 < pressure679> peetaur2: It just because Linux/Gnu and FOSS is good, and I want the kernel to be like it was on my machine in Fedora 26.
10:49 < Raed> or just run the first command with & afterwards, that will background it. Then run the other command.
10:50 < scampbell> takeme: you might also care to look at the zenity command.  It can display things in windows and do a variety of other things that may be more apropos to your needs.
10:50 < peetaur2> pressure679: you mean you want the vanilla kernel?
10:50 < pressure679> scampbell: some earlier kernels in the grub boot menu, more harddisks, a sane mind to *not* ruin another processor etc.
10:50 < pingfloyd> takeme: read up on job control
10:51 < pressure679> peetaur2: I believe so.
10:51 < pressure679> peetaur2: and I am compiling that now over the one with OS patches.
10:51 < pressure679> "over" per se,
10:52 < scampbell> pressure679: good. I'm sure you have it but I'd be sure to have a live image on usb or cd to boot from as final fall back.
10:52 < pressure679> I think that was it, just "SAP"-ing interactively, thanks.
11:01 < autopsy> What is SAP ing?
11:03 < pressure679> SAP as in the IANA protocol "Session Announcement Protocol", not the tech companies.
11:05 < pressure679> It was an attempt to be sarcastically inferring my motive to be here.
11:26 < g105b> I'm using ACL so that everything within `/var/example` has sticky permissions, so new files and directories are automatically in the `deploy` group with group writable permissions. It works great when creating files and directories manually, no matter what user you are logged in as, but my problem is when moving an existing directory into `/var/example` - none of the sticky permissions persist. Is there something I have to run to re-re
11:27 < autopsy> g105b, don't you have to use mv?
11:28 < autopsy> mv $someDir $otherDir/$thisDir
11:29 < g105b> autopsy: I am using `mv /home/g105b/thing /var/example/.` but after the move, the contents of `/var/example/thing` does not have the ACL permissions applied.
11:30 < kubast2> Is it possible to feed a single additional library for a Link to a program?
11:30 < pingfloyd> g105b: you're moving the directory, so that's expected
11:31 < kubast2> if the library isn't as LD_LIBRARY_PATH or generarlly it can't be found by the application ?
11:31 < pingfloyd> g105b: also, seems like setgid bit would make more sense than sticky bit
11:31 < kubast2> but I know where it is exactlly
11:31 < autopsy> g105b, maybe use a bind mount: mount /proc/ --bind /proc
11:33 < autopsy> g105b, bind mounting or --move mounting may be what you want.
11:33 < pingfloyd> g105b: you've got your bits mixed up
11:33 < g105b> autopsy: Thanks I'll research those techniques.
11:33 < g105b> pingfloyd: Quite possibly... what bits have I mixed up?
11:34 < pingfloyd> g105b: you want to use setgid on the parent dir
11:34 < pingfloyd> not sticky
11:34 < Xatenev> hello
11:34 < Xatenev> does anyone know how to increase mouse speed in ubuntu :/
11:34 < Xatenev> _not_ mouse acceleration, just mouse speed
11:34 < Xatenev> it seems impossible to do so..
11:35 < autopsy> Xatenev, isn't anything in Ubuntu impossible to do without a root account?
11:35 < autopsy> Even setting the system date for example?
11:36 < Xatenev> autopsy, I got a root account
11:36 < Xatenev> so I dont care
11:36 < Xatenev> :p
11:37 < autopsy> Xatenev, how did you get a root account?
11:37 < SeductiveShark> sudo -i
11:37 < SeductiveShark> passwd
11:37 < SeductiveShark> It's easy
11:37 < g105b> pingfloyd: I made it sticky so that new files and directories all take the same permissions. I want new files and dirs to be automatically put into the `deploy` group, and for all new files and dirs to be group writable. Please can you let me know an example of how you would do that?
11:40 < rory> I've got a bash script that outputs some lines, and I want to make the output of this available over telnet... right now I'm using this, which technically works, but is there a nicer way than "while true; do bash script.sh | nc -l 23" ? preferably that supports multiple connections.
11:43 < geirha> socat perhaps
11:45 < peetaur2> rory: rewrite in python and use socketserver.ThreadingMixIn like in my example here https://github.com/petermaloney/localpaste/blob/master/localpaste.py
11:46 < pingfloyd> g105b: what do you mean put in the deploy group?
11:46 < pingfloyd> g105b: you mean owned by deploy group?
11:47 < rory> I can't rewrite the script in Python, consider it a black box. I could use Python to handle the connections, and just shell out to run the script.
11:47 < g105b> pingfloyd: yes I mean owned by the deploy group.
11:47 < rory> I was hoping there was a nifty way to do this in bash
11:47 < pingfloyd> that's what setgid on directories does
11:47 < rory> peetaur2: nice script though
11:48 < pingfloyd> so you do chmod g+s directory
11:54 < peetaur2> rory: yeah it's probably easy enough to just read the output of the script and write it to cleints
11:57 < g105b> pingfloyd: is that nothing to do with ACL?
11:58 < pingfloyd> g105b: chmod g+s parentdir ; setfacl -d -m g::rwx parentdir ; setfacl -d -m o::rx parentdir
11:58 < pingfloyd> g105b: it has nothing to do with sticky bit
11:59 < pingfloyd> has to do with setgid and using setfacl to change the default umask for the directory
11:59 < g105b> pingfloyd: oh ok, I thought the "s" of g+s was meaning "sticky".
11:59 < pingfloyd> g105b: your whole issue was an XY-problem
11:59 < pingfloyd> g105b: no
11:59 < pingfloyd> g105b: you thought wrong
12:00 < pingfloyd> g105b: s is setuid for owner and setgid for group
12:00 < pingfloyd> g105b: sticky bit is t
12:00 < pingfloyd> you should read up on unix and linux perms
12:02 < autopsy> Yeah and XY to Z. !!
12:02 < autopsy> Don't make me come at ya boy!
12:03 < g105b> pingfloyd: righto, I got the wrong terminology but I believe my problem is still X and not XY. I already have g+s and the setfacl commands, and creating new files and dirs sets the group permission correctly, but my issue is that when moving a directory from elsewhere doesn't set the inner files' group owner.
12:06 < g105b> The directory `/var/example` has the setgid and acl rules, so new files created within /var/example are owned by the `deploy` group, as expected... but when the `something` directory is moved from my home dir into the `example` directory with `mv /home/g105b/something /var/example/.`, the contents of `/var/example/something` are owned by the original group, as they were before.
12:07 < pingfloyd> that's because you're moving a directory.
12:07 < pingfloyd> use install or copy the contents of the directory to the target
12:09 < BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
12:09 < g105b> Ok pingfloyd thanks for all your help.
12:09 < pingfloyd> you're welcome
12:10 < pingfloyd> when you mkdir it set the perms right, right?
12:11 < g105b> pingfloyd: Yeah
12:13 < pingfloyd> the setgid and umask will take care of files and directories created within the hierarchy
12:14 < pingfloyd> g105b: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/131180/how-to-move-a-file-without-preserving-permissions
12:14 < CrazyTux> which is the most stable rolling release distro?
12:14 < peetaur2> CrazyTux: LFS
12:14 < pingfloyd> cp --no-preserve=mode,ownership
12:14 < peetaur2> or maybe manjaro
12:15 < pingfloyd> then go back and rm the original
12:15 < CrazyTux> how about Solus?
12:15 < peetaur2> also, define stable..there are 2 distinct meanings
12:15 < jim> I would probably say that a rolling release isn't really that stable
12:15 < pingfloyd> or just do them both in one command line.
12:15 < pingfloyd> cp ... && rm ...
12:15 < searedvandal> CrazyTux, arch is pretty darn stable on my boxes
12:15 < peetaur2> stable like not having to rewrite libs that link to them or learn new skills to adapt.... vs not like nitroglycerine, short lived radioactive isotopes or windows
12:16 < g105b> pingfloyd: cool ok, the reason I'm using mv is due to the huge filesize and thus the time it takes to cp. Is mv just the wrong approach here?
12:16 < pingfloyd> g105b: yeah
12:16 < pingfloyd> g105b: mv is the wrong tool
12:17 < pingfloyd> if you were retaining perms, you'd use mv
12:17 < pingfloyd> because it "moves"
12:17 < pingfloyd> and renames
12:17 < jim> CrazyTux, have you done the basic learning yet? have you learned a shell, learned a non-shell scripting language (such as python), read lots of man pages (yes, by this time it probably would be lots)
12:18 < CrazyTux> any rolling release distro suitable for newbies?
12:18 < searedvandal> CrazyTux, no
12:18 < CrazyTux> jim, do a casual end users need to learn all these?
12:19 < CrazyTux> casual non technical end users
12:19 < jim> which end is the casual end?
12:19 < searedvandal> casual end users need to know the basics of the shell and read man pages.
12:19 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: aren't you that guy who is always asking what the best distro is every day/week?
12:20 < pingfloyd> know how to use your package manager too
12:20 < pingfloyd> those 3 things get you very far
12:21 < jim> CrazyTux, the thing is, you should be used to reading man pages by now... or, you haven't started yet? that's ok too, just get started... read a man page or two per day
12:21 < pingfloyd> if you don't understand manpage read man man
12:21 < pingfloyd> manpages*
12:21 < jim> CrazyTux, the big thing is, the man pages have a LOT of stuff in them that you can find out about
12:22 < jim> it would benefit you to start getting used to them
12:22 < peetaur2> first you need to know which commands are useful and you want to learn about from man pages
12:22 < searedvandal> CrazyTux, what are you using your computer for? what is your needs? if you're like me and just do the regular browsing, chatting and other random stuff, pick whatever distro looks pleasing to you.
12:22 < pingfloyd> man -k
12:23 < pingfloyd> also hit h in your pager
12:23 < ocx32>  i have multiple pids in 1 line in a file, how can i kill them using kill command from command line?
12:23 < jim> (am I saying "you must do it or I'll ___, ____ or _______? no. it's up to you)
12:24 < CrazyTux> I am not a developer. Nor have I studied computer science.
12:24 < jim> the real answer, is that any dist can work for you, if you have the basics
12:25 < pingfloyd> what's learning the shell and manpages have to do with computer science?
12:25 < searedvandal> no need to learn a programming or scripting language for basic usage, manpages and know how to navigate the shell + package manager is the main things you need to know in order to maintain your system on a basic level. and learn google for when your system breaks. amazing how many questions already are answered on google.
12:25 < jim> CrazyTux, it turns out that "computer science" isn't a great name for that part of it.... first... it's not a science... second, it's not very much about computers)
12:25 < pingfloyd> gui is nothing but an abstraction of what you can do at the shell
12:26 < searedvandal> I'm lazy so I like gui
12:26 < pingfloyd> screw google, use ddg
12:26 < CrazyTux> ok
12:26 < Armand> Eeeewwwww
12:27  * Armand slaps pingfloyd 
12:27 < searedvandal> screw ddg, run your own searx instance
12:27 < pingfloyd> Armand: you must be an advertiser
12:27 < Armand> Narp
12:28 < jim> oh no! IT'S A NARP!!!
12:28 < cloudbud> I have a service running , what i want to do is find the open file descriptors of that process. how can I that using some script
12:28 < Armand> Yarp
12:28 < CrazyTux> It looks like my laptop loves rolling release distros. On fixed release distro like Ubuntu, MX Linux I encounter random freezes, but strangely on rolling release distros like Manjaro, I never had a single freeze.
12:28 < hendrix> which distro to use - it's the Ultimate question, the actual inquiry behind the Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything
12:28 < Armand> hendrix: Mint
12:28 < peetaur2> cloudbud: lsof -Pn -p $pid
12:28 < peetaur2> sudo ^
12:28 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: ok, and?
12:29 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, and I don't know why it happens.
12:29 < searedvandal> manjaro is semi-rolling at best
12:29 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: doesn't matter, you don't have the permission to run rolling release anyway
12:29 < cloudbud> peetaur2 : i dont know pid, its like service ffd stattus  i want to find ffd open fd
12:30 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, lol. Why?
12:30 < peetaur2> CrazyTux: stable release ones have older stuff...so then the question is did you ever use a rolling one at the same versions as the older stuff? (for ubuntu 16.04 that would be like 2016-04-01 for patched up or months before for beta quality)
12:30 < pingfloyd> it's forbidden!
12:30 < jim> CrazyTux, install memtest86, boot into it and run it for a couple hours... does it show any errors?
12:30 < searedvandal> memtest <3
12:30 < CrazyTux> jim, install on which distro? the fixed release one?
12:31 < peetaur2> cloudbud: well you can remove the -p option and grep or whatever you want
12:31 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, lol
12:31 < cloudbud> peetaur2 : can you give me execat command ?
12:31 < jim> CrazyTux, which cpu do you have?
12:31 < cloudbud> exact *
12:32 < peetaur2> cloudbud: for example if you don't know the pid of tomcat, look for a jar file it would have open:     sudo lsof -Pn | grep catalina.jar
12:32 < CrazyTux> jim, Intel Core i3 2 Ghz quadcore cpu
12:32 < jim> ok, one sec
12:32 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: why does it freeze?
12:32 < CrazyTux> 4 GBs of RAM.
12:32 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: did you try updating the bios?
12:33 < pingfloyd> don't brick it
12:33 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, no. I didn't try.
12:33 < peetaur2> why does it freeze?  ->   4 GBs of RAM   ;)  does it run out of RAM? Maybe arch's less bloatware is the cause and not the rollingness
12:33 < pingfloyd> also how do you know it doesn't happen with rolling release?
12:33 < pingfloyd> maybe you didn't give it enough time
12:34 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I am using Manjaro and MX Linux. Never had any freezing issue on Manjaro.
12:34 < pingfloyd> maybe he's trying to run 20 VMs on it
12:34 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: what's so special about Manjaro?
12:35 < CrazyTux> I have used Ubuntu 16.04 also. It had this random freezing issue.
12:35 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I don't know.
12:35 < cloudbud> peetaur2 : service market-ffd status market-ffdaemon start/running, process 4251
12:35 < jim> CrazyTux, do you have a blank usb stick? that you can boot from?
12:35 < cloudbud> how to get this process id
12:35 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, so far Manjaro has been really troublefree.
12:35 < CrazyTux> jim, yes.
12:35 < epicmetal> So I just discovered that fsck has two help outputs, depending on whether you call fsck --help or specify an invalid option (e.g. "fsck -h"). Quirky...
12:36 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: ok. so why not just keep using it?
12:36 < jim> CrazyTux, here's an image: https://www.memtest86.com/downloads/memtest86-usb.tar.gz
12:36 < well_laid_lawn> cloudbud:  try   ps aux | grep market-ffdaemon
12:37 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I intend to install a distro on my oter computers also. What's your opinion on Solus?
12:37 < pingfloyd> haven't used it
12:37 < searedvandal> CrazyTux, if Manjaro works for you, use that. until it doesn't work for you anymore, than see if the grass is greener on the other side.
12:37 < pingfloyd> CrazyTux: have you tried debian?
12:37 < CrazyTux> jim, how to use it?
12:38 < jim> CrazyTux, I'll get you instructions
12:38 < searedvandal> pick 1 distro, stick with it for at least a month and then evaluate if the distro is for you or not.
12:38 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I am using Debian stable based MX Linux 17.1.
12:38 < epicmetal> searedvandal: sometimes it doesn't take that long :)
12:38 < pingfloyd> I'm talking about real debian
12:38 < CrazyTux> pingfloyd, I think just once.
12:39 < searedvandal> epicmetal, sure. but for beginners, I think a month is a good timeframe in order to actually learn to navigate and use it properly
12:39 < jim> CrazyTux, https://www.memtest86.com/technical.htm#linux
12:39 < cloudbud> well_laid_lawn : how to grep pid
12:39 < CrazyTux> jim, ok. Thanks a lot.
12:39 < jim> welcome
12:40 < pingfloyd> jim: might as well use grml instead
12:40 < jim> once you run the ram checker for awhile, tell us what the results are and we'll go from there
12:40 < well_laid_lawn> cloudbud:  try   ps aux | grep market-ffdaemon   will show the pid in the fifth column
12:40 < searedvandal> in this case, with freezing, instead of just purging the distro, try to figure out what's causing it and see if you can fix it. that's one hell of a learning exercise which boost the base skill level a couple of notches
12:40 < CrazyTux> jim, ok
12:41 < well_laid_lawn> or ids it second ...
12:41 < pingfloyd> grml has memtest86 and ton more utility
12:41 < CrazyTux> ok
12:41 < jim> what;s it do?
12:41 < jim> it's just the ram checker, right?
12:41 < pingfloyd> it's a live dist based on debian that has good selection of packages
12:41 < pingfloyd> for sys admin needs
12:42 < pingfloyd> https://grml.org/
12:42 < jim> oh ok
12:42 < searedvandal> sounds a bit too involved for a beginner that only needs to check if his ram is bad
12:42 < peetaur2> huh? memtest86+ is trivial to use
12:43 < peetaur2> step 1. boot it. step 2. wait long. step 3. look for blinking screaming errors and obvious signs anyone can see
12:43 < peetaur2> you don't even need a keyboard
12:43 < jim> peetaur2, you just boot it and run it for awhile, right?
12:43 < pingfloyd> run it before you go to bed
12:43 < pingfloyd> start it
12:43 < pingfloyd> check it out when you wake up
12:43 < searedvandal> memtest is trivial.
12:44 < peetaur2> yeah the simplest "don't intterrupt my use of the computer" method is just do it when you sleep... but to be thorough, run for a whole day
12:44 < jim> that's a good idea
12:44 < peetaur2> unless you have super fast tiny ram...like 4GB DDR4 will do like 30 full tests overnight
12:45 < peetaur2> you only need like 3 tests to be "thorough"
12:45 < jim> still, if you run it for a few hours, the temperature will be fairly stable
12:46 < peetaur2> there's probably just 1 kind of failure that 3 tests won't cover...the sort where no amount of time will see it... where you write in RAM but never read or write that address for a day, then when you read it, it bit rotted and is corrupt
12:47 < jim> the reason I suggest checking your ram, is you reported random freezes
12:47 < peetaur2> and I think it's a wild guess/speculation, but the reason I support the test is that it's trivial and runs overnight without interrupting you
12:47 < peetaur2> eliminating that one guess will help you find the right guess
12:48 < CrazyTux> I will go through the instructions and run that program and report back the results.
12:48 < jim> the fix for the problems might be as simple as making sure all yuour ram is seated properly, and the cables in the computer are connected properly
12:49 < peetaur2> also consider prime95, which you can run while you use the machine, if you don't need lots of idle cpu, the heat and noise doesn't bother you, etc.
12:49 < jim> (you need to do all of that with the power OFF)
12:49 < CrazyTux> jim, I have a new laptop.
12:49 < peetaur2> prime95 detects more types of problems, but is not very helpful in identifying which part failed
12:49 < peetaur2> usually it's like if prime95 fails and memtest86+ doesn't, you can guess it's the CPU ....but memtest86+ can also fail due to cpu (the memory controller is on the CPU)
12:50 < jim> CrazyTux, chances are, the manufacturer ran this test already... but don't let that stop you
12:50 < peetaur2> and you can troubleshoot that further by putting known good RAM in there, and if it still fails, it's the CPU
12:50 < CrazyTux> ok
12:50 < CrazyTux> ok
12:51 < jim> CrazyTux, it's the new laptop where the freezing is happening?
12:51 < peetaur2> the manufacturer doesn't run it all night though... but server hardware vendors will often do a long duration "burn in" (since they also do the warranty, it saves shipping and other costs when they have to fix it later anyway)
12:51 < CrazyTux> jim, yes.
12:52 < jim> CrazyTux, and you're ircing using a different computer?
12:52 < CrazyTux> jim, I am dual booting Manjaro and MX linux. Freezing happens only on MX.
12:52 < peetaur2> and also sometimes disabling random featurs in the bios can prevent some freezes... this can also vary per kernel, like maybe one kernel doesn't use some features, or uses them differently or with workarounds or other firmware blobs
12:52 < CrazyTux> jim, I am on Manjaro now.
12:52 < CrazyTux> peetaur2, ok
12:53 < autopsy> Ohhh holy Manjaro!
12:53 < jim> CrazyTux, and you don';t experience this freezing on manjaro?
12:53 < CrazyTux> jim, yes. I never had this issue on Manjaro.
12:53 < jim> that's what robin said
12:53 < CrazyTux> I had this even on Ubuntu 16.04.
12:54 < autopsy> Even on Ubuntu thats no surprise.
12:54 < jim> CrazyTux, so the freezing happened on ubuntu
12:54 < CrazyTux> autopsy, why? what made you make that statement?
12:54 < jim> ?
12:54 < CrazyTux> jim, yes.
12:54 < autopsy> Ubuntu has it's place.
12:54 < CrazyTux> autopsy, where?
12:55 < jim> CrazyTux, what kernel are you running right now? (uname -r)
12:55 < autopsy> CrazyTux, no root account? How do you do stuff?
12:55 < autopsy> I couldn't live without the rootz.
12:55 < CrazyTux> jim, 4.17.3-1-MANJARO
12:55 < autopsy> Kernel makes a big difference.
12:56 < Pusteblume> i try to run several installs of debian stretch from a central box with all dvds mounted. it seems apt-cacher-ng could be used for that. but do i understand this right and each client needs internet access to fetch the package meta data?
12:56 < autopsy> How do you get a kernel version of the Ubuntu machine?
12:56 < jim> CrazyTux, do you remember what kernel you run on the mx linux?
12:56 < CrazyTux> jim, I think it is 4.15
12:57 < jim> autopsy, well one way is runn  it and uname -r.... another way is mount its storage and do an ls on the /boot mounted filesystem
12:58 < autopsy> Pusteblume, apt-get needs to fetch meta data for packages don't know about the installer.
12:58 < jim> CrazyTux, how many lines do you get from: lspci -nn | grep -i net
12:58 < Pusteblume> yeah, sorry. i was confusing. i mean also after the install via apt-get
12:59 < Pusteblume> just so the apt-cacher client can operate i need an internet connection then?
12:59 < jim> Pusteblume, I'm running apt-cacher-ng on a separate machine
13:00 < CrazyTux> jim, https://hastebin.com/xuqixeyeyo
13:00 < Pusteblume> jim, okay, cool. i will wait for your expertise then
13:03 < jim> Pusteblume, I have several machines on a home internal network, I run apt-cacher-ng on one of them, and point the other machines at that machine
13:03 < Pusteblume> jim, thats what i wanna do :)
13:04 < jim> how many machines do you have?
13:04 < Pusteblume> my problem is that i wont have internet access on some of those machines
13:04 < jim> need to pause, back in a few mins
13:04 < Pusteblume> okay!
13:07 < jim> ok,
13:08 < jim> is it that you want some of your machines to NOT have internet? or you are having problems?
13:09 < jim> are they all running debian?
13:10 < jim> Pusteblume, ^^
13:13 < jim> Pusteblume, hi... still here?
13:16 < autopsy> He may be timing out on us.
13:16 < autopsy> Uploading too much data on his weak ISP.
13:16 < Pusteblume> jim, now i am
13:17 < jim> ok,
13:17 < jim> are any of your computers running debian?
13:17 < Pusteblume> jim, all machines (3 physical, 3-4 vms) run debian
13:17 < Pusteblume> and i plan to restrict internet access for security reasons
13:18 < jim> ok, are the physical to get net access?
13:18 < Pusteblume> yes, but internal only
13:19 < jim> ok, and are they getting that internal access? can all three ping another machine on the internal net?
13:20 < jim> are one of these the machine that's running apt-cacher-ng?
13:21 < Pusteblume> i am not sure at the moment
13:21 < Pusteblume> at first i wanted 1 box as central that delegates access to the other machines
13:21 < jim> ok, we'll assume not yet for the moment
13:21 < Pusteblume> so i tried to resolve that idea with apt-cacher-ng
13:22 < jim> that box could be a gateway
13:22 < Pusteblume> okay, hmmm
13:22 < jim> but before we get there
13:22 < autopsy> Yeah make it a gateway.
13:23 < autopsy> Then store all your DVD images on it over NFS.
13:23 < jim> you want the cacher to run on a machine with plenty of space in /var
13:23 < Pusteblume> ah, good to mention that
13:23 < Pusteblume> the dvd-set are 56GB :)
13:23 < jim> are all of your machines running the same version of debian?
13:23 < Pusteblume> yes
13:24 < jim> and all same arch? (I guess amd64?)
13:24 < Pusteblume> yep!
13:24 < autopsy> Wowzer!
13:24 < jim> ok, pick one machine that has space in /var
13:24 < peetaur2> wow what a lucky guess
13:24 < autopsy> Guess again jim you're good at that.
13:25 < Pusteblume> he read my profile in fbi_most_wanted
13:25 < autopsy> Oh noes the FBI.
13:25 < jim> I watch that show
13:25 < c06> hi all , i have vm with following network https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8pGgywgSrv/
13:26 < jim> "oh noes the fbi" has been a popular show for like 60 years
13:26 < c06> i want to enable vm to commuicate with outside world network. i am not sure how i can achieve this
13:26 < c06> anyone suggest some ideas.!?
13:26 < autopsy> I can't get google chrome beta to launch.. ??
13:26 < jim> c06, usually that's done with a bridge
13:27 < autopsy> c06 you can use a bridge interface. Check out brctl
13:27 < autopsy> c06 see: man brctl
13:28 < Pusteblume> haaang on, please. i almost forgot my initial question about the requiredness of an internet connection for clients to optain that package list
13:28 < cloudbud> not able to find the pic of my service which is running
13:28 < autopsy> They need package meta data from the DVD ISO files.
13:28 < jim> once you make a bridge, you hook up your vms to it, and hook the bridge also to the physical host
13:28 < cloudbud> the service is running with name mar-get
13:28 < Pusteblume> that would be super
13:29 < autopsy> If it is like Fedora the meta data is on the DVD you set as a local repository in a dnf.repo file using repo=file:///dev/cdrom
13:29 < c06> autopsy: jim i have bridge but its attacked with veth pairs
13:29 < c06> **attached
13:30 < jim> Pusteblume, because you're running the same debian version and same arch, that's also going to keep the cache size down
13:31 < autopsy> c06, use iptables to let traffic go from one interface to the other. iptables -o veth0 -i veth1 -j ACCEPT and iptables -o veth1 -i veth0 -j ACCEPT maybe need proto tcp too.
13:31 < autopsy> c06, there used to be a kernel /proc setting you needed to echo 1 into for IP_FORWARDING
13:32 < jim> Pusteblume, the three physical machines can all ping each other?
13:32 < Pusteblume> jim, not how i have planned
13:32 < c06> autopsy: thank you veth pair means if one end if it get packets it will forwarded to other end. so iptables needed for this.?
13:32 < peetaur2> you still need such a setting, but it's more common to use the sysctl interface, eg.   sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
13:32 < Pusteblume> but i need to think more
13:32 < c06> autopsy: correct me if i am wrong
13:32 < autopsy> c06, yes basically -i in -o out
13:33 < autopsy> c06, and you need t his: sysctl interface, eg.   sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
13:33 < jim> Pusteblume, well to stop a machine from getting to the "rest of the internet" one way is to remove default route
13:33 < jim> but we're not at that point yet...
13:34 < autopsy> c06, you already got the bridge in place though so thats a start.
13:34 < jim> actually, all the internal machines and all the vms need to be able to reach the apt-cacher machine
13:34 < c06> autopsy: so by default veth1 and veth2 are not connected like pipe. we need to write iptable rules.!! i thought i need to forward packets from veth1 to eth1.
13:34 < jim> have you decided which machine will have apt-cacher-ng on it?
13:34 < Pusteblume> yes
13:34 < autopsy> What is an apt-cacher?
13:35 < azarus> caches apt packages
13:35 < peetaur2> autopsy: apt-cacher-ng is an http proxy that caches apt packages so your network will just dl them once instead of eating bandwidth for no reason
13:35 < autopsy> I thought apt would do that already.
13:35 < peetaur2> and apt-cacher is a crapy old one that crashes 30 times a day for no reason
13:35 < autopsy> Oh gawd.
13:35 < azarus> autopsy: apt-cacher-ng can do it for multiple machines
13:35 < Pusteblume> i dont want to publish too much info here. i bet certain people are giggle flashed already
13:36 < autopsy> I'm flashed.
13:36 < peetaur2> and there was another which had a name I forget which was awful and you had to edit the sources.list in a horrid special way to use it
13:36 < peetaur2> aptproxy maybe
13:36 < Pusteblume> so i am doing this not for them but for me
13:36 < [twisti]> i have a weird and horrible question: i would care to write a file (ascii/text, if that matters) to a remote host which i can only access via ssh. the writing client is running on windows, so on that end, there are no shell tools. currently, i mount the remote pc via sshfs, but that is spotty at best on windows. i was thinking that maybe i could start something to pipe the inputstream to a file via ssh,
13:36 < autopsy> c06, yes veth1 to eth1 and veth2 to eth1
13:36 < [twisti]> anything like that out there ? throughput performance is a concern sadly.
13:36 < jim> gigle flash... I know jeff beck put out album "flash"...
13:37 < queeliot> Hey guys, I want to secure my laptop from spyware. I work with different software, which development is community driven, I can't trust all of this. I want to have a system that makes my computer secure; could this be a firewall? is firewalld a good choice?
13:37 < autopsy> [twisti], can you use sftp or scp?
13:37 < peetaur2> [twisti]: use cygwin
13:38 < queeliot> In short, how to secure a laptop and make is spyware-proof?
13:38 < autopsy> Spyware oh noes.
13:38 < queeliot> How to monitor various queries sent to the network by third-party software?
13:38 < sh1ro> queeliot: qubes is neat
13:38 < peetaur2> [twisti]: and instead of writing it via sshfs (I'm amazed that would even exist on windows), use a pipe with ssh or write locally and copy over
13:39 < [twisti]> autopsy: i cant, peetaur2: i dont control the client
13:39 < queeliot> sh1ro: thanks, I will try it
13:39 < c06> autopsy: i will do packet forwarding from veth1 to eth1. thanks for suggestions
13:39 < sh1ro> it requires a stupid ammount of time and effort or pure money to break qubes
13:39 < [twisti]> they have sshfs installed but it doesnt run very well
13:39 < peetaur2> queeliot: a firewall barely affects outgoing traffic ... they basically don't even try by default, and if you try, it'll annoy you horribly
13:39 < autopsy> Annoying!
13:40 < autopsy> c06, yes just use iptables -i and -o twice.
13:40 < queeliot> sh1ro: any link for qube
13:40 < autopsy> c06, then reload your rules after you flush them.
13:40 < sh1ro> https://www.qubes-os.org/
13:40 < queeliot> peetaur2: firewall can be annoying; how to secure a machine otherwise?
13:40 < sh1ro> #qubes
13:41 < peetaur2> queeliot: I mean blocking outgoing...every machine ought to have a firewall that blocks all incoming by default (with common exceptions like icmp echo request)
13:41 < queeliot> sh1ro:
13:41 < autopsy> Why is ICMP echo so important?
13:41 < sh1ro> for standard distros just use encryption, browser plugins like noscript, https everywhere, privacy badger
13:41 < comrex> is tails is better then qubes os ?
13:41 < peetaur2> so a normal firewall will block lots of remote hack attempts, but won't stop a compromised computer from phoning home
13:41 < comrex> for security
13:41 < sh1ro> tails has a different use case
13:42 < autopsy> Heads for heads tails for yep you guessed it tails.
13:42 < queeliot> sh1ro: I want to stickto my linux operating system.
13:42 < autopsy> queeliot, what spyware?
13:42 < sh1ro> it's made to be used live preferably off read only data like a DVD-R or sdcard in RO mode
13:42 < azarus> queeliot: tails and qubes are both based on linux
13:42 < comrex> yea
13:42 < autopsy> Use a DVDRW!
13:42 < queeliot> I can see that. I use fedora.
13:43 < sh1ro> qubes is technically fedora
13:43 < sh1ro> ish
13:43 < queeliot> dunno, maybe I am paranoid.
13:43 < c06> autopsy: iptables -A FORWARD -i veth1 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A FORWARD -i veth2 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT ; iptables-save
13:44 < c06> i am gng to use this one please correct me if i am wrong
13:44 < peetaur2> queeliot: How to monitor various queries sent to the network by third-party software  --> maybe snort?  you can't necessarily trust the local machine to report traffic if it was compromised, so you set up such an external server
13:44 < sh1ro> wireshark
13:44 < sh1ro> you can run qubes(or anything) behind a whonix gateway
13:45 < autopsy> c06, yes that is correct and one time back for both too: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o veth1 -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o veth2 -j ACCEPT ; iptables-save
13:45 < queeliot> peetaur2: I didn't know snort, thanks for this.
13:45 < queeliot> wireshark is a good solution
13:45 < sh1ro> or some other kind of proxy to inspect traffic depending on your goals
13:45 < c06> autopsy: thank you i ll try the same
13:45 < autopsy> c06, remember there and back.
13:45 < autopsy> c06, two times.
13:46 < c06> autopsy: yeah forward one and reverse one
13:46 < autopsy> c06, let me know how it goes with it. Yes that is right.
13:47 < c06> autopsy: yeah sure i ll ping and let u know
13:48 < autopsy> c06, ok thank you.
13:49 < c06> autopsy: i need to say thanks.. :)
13:50 < autopsy> c06, no problem just remember the sysctl option too. sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
13:50 < autopsy> c06, put those in a script you can run easily to start it all up from boot time.
13:51 < autopsy> c06, or just don't shut down.
13:51 < c06> autopsy: i am checking the packets if its working i ll write inside /etc/init.d
13:52 < autopsy> c06, yeah do that.
13:52 < c06> autopsy: ok sure, give some mins
13:52 < autopsy> c06, or write a systemd service unit file for it all.
14:12 < solsTiCe> hi. on ubuntu 18.04 kpartx 0.7.4 doe snot release partition mappins with kpartx -d myimage.img. How do I do it manually ? is it a bug in kpartx ? or ubuntu ?
14:13 < solsTiCe> oops
14:13 < autopsy> solsTiCe, maybe use partprobe to read the table again.
14:13 < peetaur2> solarjoe4: not saying you can't, but I never use it on a file..I would use losetup first, then use kpartx on the /dev/loopX, and it never failed for me
14:13 < peetaur2> and the command to use to remove the mapping is probably dmsetup
14:13 < autopsy> Yeah use losetup then operate on the /dev/loop0 device.
14:15 < jim> Pusteblume, just so you know, we'll need certain data to be able to help, that data does not include your external IP
14:15 < solsTiCe> peetaur2: the point of kpartx is to use on file
14:15 < peetaur2> the point of kpartx is to operate on something that has a partition table
14:15 < Pusteblume> jim, yeah. its okay!
14:15 < peetaur2> a partitioning tool is generally used on a block device, not a file, and so is kpartx
14:16 < peetaur2> so if it works on both, great...but maybe it doesn't really work on both
14:17 < solsTiCe> peetaur2: the file IS an image meaning it contains a partition table and could be considered as a device
14:18 < solsTiCe> never mind dmsetup remove did the trick
14:18 < peetaur2> everything is a file, but not everything is a device
14:18 < peetaur2> make it a loop device, and then it's a device
14:19 < solsTiCe> peetaur2: oh my. just look at example section of kpartx and you will see it specifically use an .img file not a device
14:19 < solsTiCe> of kpartx man page
14:20 < peetaur2> you are making straw man arguments... what you say is perfectly valid, but has nothing to do with what I have said
14:20 < peetaur2> use what you like, but I'm saying it works best on devices
14:21 < peetaur2> so if dmsetup works to clean up the problems related to using it on a file, then that's fine
14:21 < solsTiCe> " To mount all the partitions in a raw disk image: kpartx -av disk.img"
14:21 < peetaur2> (or if you got bad luck and your distro just happened to break this tool I have never seen act this way, then regardless of whether it's a file or not)
14:22 < afidegnum> hello, i m reading some tuts about setting dual boot win and arch
14:22 < afidegnum> windows already have an EFI boot partition
14:23 < afidegnum> do i need to create anther EFI partition for arch linux?
14:23 < autopsy> afidegnum, I think so that or store the EFI boot files on the Windows drive.
14:25 < jbit> afidegnum: multiple operating systems can share the same EFI partition, but you should make sure it's big enough... both linux and windows can get freaked out if the EFI partition runs out of space
14:26 < afidegnum> thanks
14:30 < solsTiCe> just to let you know that it just works but without dull path. meaning jsut cd into the dir of the img. then kpartx -a myimg.img and then kpartx -d myimg.img that's all \o/
14:51 < c06> autopsy_: sorry actually in switch port got disabled to packet was not forwarding.. :( and anyway thanks for the info(iptables).. :)
14:56 < M3rd> Hi....
14:58 < M3rd> ....
15:01 < jim> hi
15:01 < post-factum> hi
15:15 < autopsy_> c06, oh ok. That works.
15:16 < TheWild1> do you have a good language or a tool for routing stdio between programs?
15:16 < solidfox> I need to cat some files together over http
15:16 < solidfox> like https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/07/02/%23kubuntu.txt and https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/07/03/%23kubuntu.txt and so on
15:16 < jim> TheWild1, there's | and there's also named pipes
15:17 < TheWild1> bash's coproc is good in one way but sucks in another - gathering data from program that produce only output and don't take any input is unreliable.
15:18 < TheWild1> named pipes is a nice feature at first sight but I can't get rid of deadlocks.
15:19 < kerframil> solidfox: for d in 2018/07/{02..03}; do curl "https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/${d}/%23kubuntu.txt" >> muhfile; done
15:19 < TheWild1> my hope is in Node.js now
15:19 < solidfox> kerframil, thanks
15:20 < sauvin> TheWild1, what kind of use cases are you up against?
15:23 < TheWild1> basic case: there is a host program, and there are the guests. Host and guest are supposed to have a two-way communication channel. My first bet is stdio, because it assumes (almost?) nothing about the operating system.
15:24 < jason85> How can I get X mouse coordinates in a C program?
15:25 < TheWild> the packets maybe of variable size or there might be streams, but definitely not strict 4K packets.
15:25 < autopsy_> jason85, Isn't ttttttthere a xmousedev program?
15:25 < autopsy_> Hi TheWild
15:25 < TheWild> hi autopsy_
15:26 < autopsy_> Oh crud. My link went dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn again.
15:26 < autopsy_> Wow.
15:26 < autopsy_> Woops
15:26 < sauvin> TheWild, would it be fair to say what you're trying to create is a client/server architecture, where you are yourself creating both the server and the clients?
15:28 < TheWild> yup
15:28 < sauvin> TheWild, is it supposed to be cross-platform?
15:28 < gluon_> anyone with some experience with nvidia proprietary drivers and their default performance levels explain me why by default these are so high, like past factory OC: https://i.imgur.com/JRf4AL2.png
15:28 < gluon_> on my asus rog strix 1050 ti oc
15:28 < gluon_> those are default values, i didn't change anything, nor did i ever enable coolbits
15:29 < gluon_> this reddit post details it further: https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8w1hww/do_these_nvidiasettings_mean_that_nvidia_drivers/
15:29 < TheWild> hmm... I don't think I'm going to run it on something else than Linux, but I wouldn't like to assume there are sockets or a file system.
15:29 < sauvin> o.O
15:29 < TheWild> server will be probably mine but client can be practically anything
15:30 < sauvin> The only thing I can think of WOULD involve sockets.
15:30 < sveinse> Anyone here know how I can list listen ports on macvlan interfaces? Or list macvlan hosts for that matter?
15:30 < sauvin> What Linux lacks sockets?
15:31 < jim> sockets get supported in the kernel
15:32 < TheWild> man readdir/stat has something about sockets
15:35 < TheWild> using netcat I could even bind the server to the network
15:36 < lupine> or, you know, inetd
15:37 < sauvin> TheWild, is communication between the server and any given client supposed to be private?
15:38 < TheWild> heh, I know I know. I'll implement security when it will become necessary.
15:38 < TheWild> short read and inetd seems to be worth tinkering
15:41 < sauvin> I have a process that takes input from a given stream and feeds it to an ncat 'server' that just broadcasts its input to any connected 'client' process. If I want to add functionality to the system I'm working with, I just write a new 'client' to implement it, and have the 'client' attach to the ncat server.
15:43 < sauvin> This communication has no protocol, so bidirectional communication could be a pain to try to implement. Solution? Two ncat servers, one for broadcasting and another for the server's 'input' from the connected clients. Drawback: without some kind of protocol, all communication between server and client is broadcast.
15:44 < autopsy> Whats wrong with broadcasts?
15:44 < sauvin> In my case, absolutely nothing. In fact, it was broadcasting I specifically NEEDED.
15:44 < fscale> Hi, there is a linux utility that allows me to search for all files(including system ones) at an instant like there is Everything by Voidtools for Windows?
15:45 < sauvin> This approach makes it dead simple for me to add functionality or remove unwanted functionality without taking *anything* down.
15:47 < autopsy> sauvin, good to hear thats all over.
15:48 < autopsy> fscale, search for all files in the system? Use locate
15:48 < autopsy> fscale, see: man updatedb locate
15:48 < autopsy> fscale, if you don't have it install it using dnf.
15:48 < autopsy> fscale, dnf install mlocate
15:56 < Cork> what controls if a mount from the top system is visible in /proc/mounts in a chroot?
15:58 < oo_miguel> I took my distros (debian stable) kernel .config and recompiled it (with the current stable kernel after 'make olddefconfig'). Now after 'sudo make modules_install install' I ended up with a ~400mb initramfs image, while my distros image is 'only' about 20mb. Where might this diffference come from? I assume they only put a selection of the modules into their initramfs, while 'make install' copies them all
15:58 < oo_miguel> over. Or might there be some other reason?
16:01 < oo_miguel> hmm this seems not to be true. since my lib/modules/../kernel/drivers/ alone take up 2.7G
16:05 < FightingFalcon> my file limit is 1024. is it bad to increase it to 65000? any performance disadvantages?
16:06 < FightingFalcon> open file limit*
16:08 < mcdnl> do you have the ram and cpu?
16:08 < FightingFalcon> i have 8 gb ram
16:10 < mcdnl> well, if your machine is able to handle that many open files at once, there should be no poblem
16:10 < mcdnl> problem
16:24 < Cork> what controls if a mount is visible in /proc/mounts inside a chroot?
16:51 < autopsy> Cork, is /proc mounted in the chroot fake root?
16:51 < autopsy> Cork, mount -t proc none /proc inside the chroot.
17:05 < Cork> autopsy: yes, the problem is that part of the mounts aren't visible
17:06 < autopsy> Cork, like what parts aren't visible? What do you mean by that?
17:06 < Cork> https://paste.debian.net/1032050/
17:06 < Cork> i've hunted for the cause for this the entire day and... noone seams to know T_T
17:07 < Cork> this is breaking os-prober and is breaking grub cause of it
17:07 < Gringonar> Hi i'm gettint a lot of TLP errors
17:07 < Gringonar> does that meant faulty hardware?
17:07 < Gringonar> https://bpaste.net/show/e6a647c96f60
17:08 < autopsy> Cork, I dunno then.
17:08 < Gringonar> also i got an improperly unmounted usb error umount -l /dev/sd?1 is bad command?
17:08 < Cork> heh welcome to the club :D
17:08 < Cork> autopsy: thx for looking!
17:08 < autopsy> Cork, try /etc/mtab or something.
17:09 < Cork> ah...
17:09 < autopsy> Cork, try symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts
17:09 < SuperSeriousCat> Cork, dont you miss "/" on 2 of your mounts?
17:09 < SuperSeriousCat> mount -t proc proc /mnt/system/proc -> mount -t proc /proc /mnt/system/proc etc
17:10 < autopsy> He already did that.
17:10 < Cork> SuperSeriousCat: no it isn't bound mount
17:10 < Cork> its is -t
17:10 < autopsy> Yeah you need mount -t proc /proc /mnt/system/proc
17:12 < Cork> autopsy: btw /proc/mount is correct outside the chroot
17:12 < Cork> it is just in the chroot that one of the mounts are hidden
17:12 < autopsy> Cork, seems weird.
17:12 < Cork> ya
17:12 < Lope> Microsoft develops windows with Git!!! https://itsfoss.com/microsoft-using-git/
17:12 < Cork> but i've reproduced it on 4 different debian 9 installs now
17:13 < Cork> but _only_ debian 9
17:13 < Cork> (arch, suse, ubuntu and debian 8 works fine)
17:15 < SuperSeriousCat> Add a --verbose to your mount and see if anything interesting comes up
17:16 < autopsy> I'd file a bug.
17:21 < peetaur2> Lope: start anywhere....run!
17:25 < autopsy> SuperSeriousCat, yeah add some debug to that mount syntax already.
17:35 < Lope> peetaur2, huh?
17:37 < seven-eleven> how do i convert a .pfx to .pem?
17:38 < seven-eleven> i tried `openssl pkcs12 -in C:\cert3.pfx -out C:\cert22.pem -nodes` but thats says my password is wrong even though i enter the correct password. i think thats because i created the pfx with a securestring password, but no idea how to feed this to openssl
17:41 < autopsy> seven-eleven, eleven sucure string oh noes!
17:41 < peetaur2> Lope: from your link
17:43 < tpw_rules> is the shell obliged to give a fully qualified path for $0?
17:43 < Lope> Regarding MS buying Github: This is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace%2C_extend_and_extinguish
17:43 < tpw_rules> i'm getting it as ../program, then cd "$(dirname "$0")" just does cd . instead of cd ..
17:43 < Lope> MS have embraced Git by using it to dev windows. They've extended it already with the virtual filesystem etc. What will MS try to do next?
17:44 < qrvpzvb> has anyone else had problem with Atheros on Windows?
17:44 < SuperSeriousCat> Nope, qrvpzvb. You are the first ever
17:44 < qrvpzvb> damn
17:44 < compdoc> I want MS to embrace me next. I could use the rep
17:45 < vlnx> Was CONFIG_HOTPLUG depreciated?
17:45 < qrvpzvb> that's disconcerting to read
17:46 < phogg> qrvpzvb: maybe you'd learn more if you asked in ##windows
17:47 < vovioheler> guys anyone know a chanel where they speak of hacks?
17:49 < superkuh> Lope: 1. Embrace. 2. Extend. 3. ?
17:50 < nuker> hi there. i need help with monitoring log files using zabbix
17:55 < fugee_> to restore deleted partitions use what utility?
17:59 < Lope> Openwashing: http://techrights.org/2015/03/21/propaganda-called-open/
18:00 < jhodrien> fugee_: fdisk/parted.
18:00 < jhodrien> A deleted partition can be recreated.  A wiped partition is a different problem.
18:03 < storge> 3. is usually Extinguish
18:07 < fugee_> jhodrien https://imgur.com/a/1PXPWPB
18:08 < fugee_> jhodrien i wanna restore them not read them
18:12 < autopsy> git on MicroHub! Woohoo!
18:13 < autopsy> MicroGit!
18:15 < Lope> Microsoft Github https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/06/09/052249/linux-foundation-celebrates-microsofts-github-acquisition
18:16 < storge> linux foundation is corporations with short memories. who can forget Get The facts and funding SCO v IBM/Novell ...companies who want to make money today that's who
18:16 < SuperSeriousCat> Are you a bot? All you do is comment of MS/Github every now and then. This cant possibly interest you this much
18:17 < triceratux> plus it only costs $0.5Musd for google to place an operative on the linux foundation board. someone has to be running things
18:22 < qswz> if someone had docker installed, can he check if that file exists on his system?
18:22 < qswz> There must be people here with docker installed, I'm wondering why I can't find /etc/docker/daemon.json file as described here https://docs.docker.com/config/daemon/
18:22 < qswz> I installed it with https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/
18:23 < qswz>  /var/lib/docker/ doesn't contain that daemon.json, and docker is ran with systemd/systemctl so it's weird I can't locate that file
18:23 < Jmabsd> in a in an at least slightly cross-platform setting, within my C program, i create many files and one single of them i want to be accessible only by the logged-in user. What system call do you suggest I use to have this effect?
18:24 < qswz> sudo find /etc -name daemon.json # empty
18:25 < qswz> sudo find /var/lib/docker/ -name daemon.json # empty
18:25 < triceratux> qswz: what version of ubuntu & which strategy in that writeup did you use ? did you put in docker ce from a ppa or something more conventional ?
18:25 < qswz> ok sorry guys, that file doesn't necesaarly exist
18:26 < fugee_> i have to recover multiple deleted partitions; when i google this it says to use testdisk
18:26 < qswz> triceratux: yes from ppa
18:26 < qswz> https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu
18:27 < qswz> ok solved so, I can just create it
18:31 < autopsy> fugee_ use testdisk.
18:31 < vovioheler> hey i want to nc into some server, send comand and exit. i tried echo -e 'comand' | nc ip port | exit, doesnt work
18:31 < L00P3X> Hello o/ I have a computer whitout os. where do I see if it's 32 or 64 bit? haven't could find it on bios
18:31 < hkr> Hey, can someone help me with setting up a VPN
18:32 < Namarrgon> L00P3X: google for the model of the computer if it is from some OEM and the model of the CPU that is listed in the BIOS
18:32 < hkr> When I have the openvpn service running, ping command works but my browser doesn't work
18:33 < autopsy> vovioheler, tried using rsh yet?
18:33 < autopsy> vovioheler, remote shell.
18:33 < L00P3X> I will take a look Namarrgon :)
18:34 < vovioheler> autopsy: netcat does the job, but doesnt exit
18:34 < autopsy> vovioheler, can you type ^C or send it using echo?
18:35 < vovioheler> autopsy: send "^C" in echo?
18:36 < autopsy> vovioheler, yeah to terminate the process.
18:36 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost Scripts]$ ^C
18:36 < autopsy> [autopsy@localhost Scripts]$ ^C
18:36 < BluesKaj> hkr, most vpn services have a client you have to install on your pc/laptop. Which vpn service are you using?
18:36 < autopsy> From Ctrl-C
18:38 < autopsy> vovioheler, you could also send SIGTERM to the process from the originating server too.
18:39 < mices> this is the results of testdisk search https://imgur.com/a/x6ETEgX and this is the results from gparted search https://imgur.com/a/1PXPWPB they're different
18:39 < autopsy> Just find the PID of nc and kill -15 $pid
18:39 < vovioheler> autopsy: ^C works thx
18:39 < autopsy> vovioheler, ok.
18:40 < mices> i wanna recover the partitions from chromeos i thought i didnt need them
18:40 < autopsy> Oh noes recovery time!
18:41 < autopsy> Shoulda coulda woulda.
18:42 < mices> jhodrien ^
18:46 < autopsy> Oh man BitchX is nasty looking in guake terminal.
18:47 < Pusteblume> that guy who operates my isp link is he here? maybe we can /query
18:47 < Pusteblume> last time when i wrote some quit to disconnect i had 30 minutes downtime. i would like to chat with you
18:48 < Pusteblume> some quit/some guy
18:49 < Pusteblume> i dont need this crap like mail from amazon with "hello". here, real time chat, come on
18:50 < autopsy> Pusteblume you ok?
18:50 < Pentode> for real
18:50 < Pusteblume> no i am not okay
18:50 < autopsy> Havin a hart o-tak.
19:03 < L00P3X> I got to assume it was a 64bit pc.. so i flashed a distro to usb and plug that in and the boot screen freezes.. it's what is supposed to happen on 32bit machine?
19:04 < searedvandal> just check what cpu you have in bios and see if its 32 or 64 bit?
19:04 < Namarrgon> L00P3X: which computer/cpu is it?
19:05 < triceratux> probably just some nvidia drivers locking up the pci bus. are you running arch ?
19:05 < L00P3X> it's the problem. I don't know and can't turn it on now as i'm used to do this in the kitchen for the ethernet and my father is wathing tv.. maybe see you later :/
19:05 < L00P3X> i have no idea how to look for it
19:06 < triceratux> L00P3X: youll have to find the model number somewhere & google it
19:06 < L00P3X> thank you, see you later. o/
19:07 < jim> L00P3X, how are you ircing to us now?
19:08 < autopsy> Yeah how are you IRC'ing?
19:09 < searedvandal> should be able to turn it on and open bios without ethernet
19:09 < autopsy> Move it or lose it!
19:10 < dannylee> lll
19:45 < sevagh> hello - i'm trying to execute `sudo` within a namespace (using unshare in a bash script). i get past "sudo: /usr/libexec/sudo/sudoers.so must be owned by uid 0" by bind mounting a copy of it. but i can't figure this one out: "sudo: PERM_SUDOERS: setresuid(-1, 1, -1): Invalid argument\nsudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting\nsudo: unable to initialize policy plugin" - any ideas?
19:46 < sevagh> i launch with `--map-root-user` (and most of the options - ipc, net, pid, mount, etc.), and running `id` in the namespace gives: "uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),65534(nfsnobody)"
19:48 < qswz> how could it be possible than my root password works for sudo, but *not* for su - ?
19:49 < chey> you using android.?
19:49 < koala_man> qswz: sudo doesn't ask for the root password
19:51 < qswz> ah, right
19:51 < qswz> ok my problem is just that tI'd like to do: sudo jq -cn "{debug: true}" > /etc/docker/daemon.json
19:51 < qswz> /etc/docker is only accessible with sudo
19:51 < qswz> but that command fails with: bash: /etc/docker/daemon.json: Permission denied
19:52 < qswz> but I was able to do sudo touch /etc/docker/daemon.json
19:52 < qswz> or sudo cat ..
19:52 < chey> sudo nano
19:53 < chey> ?
19:53 < qswz> sudo bash -c "echo $'{\n  "debug": true\n}' > /etc/docker/daemon.json"
19:53 < qswz> brutal but it works
19:53 < chey> haha the joys hu
19:54 < chey> qswz: what distro
19:54 < qswz> lubuntu 18.04
19:56 < chey> hello
19:57 < kerframil> qswz: jq ... | sudo tee /etc/docker/daemon.json
19:57 < kerframil> don't need bash, and don't need to run jq with elevated privileges either
19:58 < qswz> kerframil: thanks ok
19:59 < chey> does sny one know how to clear and use a usb stick that is currupted using parted
19:59 < Psi-Jack> chey: Why is parted even in the formula at all?
20:00 < kerframil> also, corrupted in what sense?
20:00 < Psi-Jack> ^
20:00 < Psi-Jack> And why jq ... | something? Backwards. :p
20:00 < chey> dunno only that the usb is many partitions of 0 data
20:01 < Psi-Jack> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX where X is the raw device itself.
20:01 < Psi-Jack> Then repartition as normal with fdisk, gdisk, or parted
20:01 < chey> ok thanks
20:02 < toothe> Hey LinuxMint, can you please make your upgrade process resemble Debian or Ubuntu? Thanks.
20:02 < qswz> Psi-Jack: you mean rather: sudo tee /etc/docker/daemon/json <(jq ...)
20:02 < tpw_rules> is python3 always going to get 3 if it's installed on unixy operating systems?
20:02 < tpw_rules> or is it possible for `python` to be the only way to access python 3?
20:02 < Psi-Jack> sudo cat /etc/docker/daemon.json | jq .
20:03 < Psi-Jack> One of the few times using cat to a pipe is actually valid. :p
20:03 < qswz> Psi-Jack: this is for reading
20:03 < kerframil> Psi-Jack: he was using it to generate json, not parse it
20:03 < qswz> I was writing to it
20:03 < Psi-Jack> Oh..
20:03 < chey> toothe: its sudo apt-get
20:04 < Psi-Jack> toothe: It already is the same. :p
20:04 < toothe> Psi-Jack and chey: That's for packages.
20:04 < toothe> but to upgrade versions/releases its using mintupgrade.
20:05 < toothe> (pardon for the use of imprecise language)
20:06 < Psi-Jack> Which likely just does a special sequence of apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade, etc for you. :p
20:06 < Psi-Jack> But, what do you expect from a fork of a fork of a fork.
20:06 < Psi-Jack> It already lacks common sense in general.
20:06 < triceratux> toothe: why cant you take the opportunity & make sure all your data & settings are backed up & do a fresh install of mint 19 ?
20:06 < triceratux> well yeah but its green
20:08 < kerframil> tpw_rules: that's a reasonable assumption. see: https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0394/
20:13 < toothe> currently doing an upgrade of mint. Lets see how this goes...
20:14 < triceratux> in which case i *definitely* hope you backed up yer data & settings
20:25 < chey> quit
20:25 < chey> opps
20:35 < Goatman> Hi!  I have a port 0x80h bios PCI debug card installed.  Is there a way to write to it from Linux?  I’d like to use it to display the CPU temperature, as it becomes useless after booting.
20:36 < ayecee> Goatman: maybe if you can write to the place where it's reading from
20:37 < ayecee> but that would be owned by the bios and may be regularly updated by it.
20:37 < Goatman> Yeah, well, that’s what I’m asking.  How to access this by writing to that register
20:37 < ayecee> you access this by writing to that register
20:37 < Goatman> How do I access the register and write to it?
20:38 < ayecee> don't know offhand
20:39 < Goatman> I’d like to set a script to query cpupower and write the temperature to the register
20:39 < ayecee> viola. https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/IO-Port-Programming
20:39 < kurahaupo> It's possible to make an io port accessible to userspace,
20:40 < rud0lf> is there picosleep(..) ?
20:40 < ayecee> it's too small, no one can tell
20:42 < kurahaupo> Goatman: https://sysplay.in/blog/linux-device-drivers/2013/09/accessing-x86-specific-io-mapped-hardware-in-linux/
20:43 < Goatman> kurahaupo, nice. I’ve been detouring around the internet looking for info
20:43 < kurahaupo> rud0lf: the minimum clock resolution is nanoseconds, but in practice it's much bigger than than.
20:45 < gomes> Hi guys
20:45 < gomes> can anybody help me with systemd?
20:45 < Kingsy> can someone help,. I cant get any sound through my laptop speakers (I am using ubuntu) PulseAudio does not seem to have the speakers as an output device, only HDMI. However speaker-test -Dplug:front -c2 works, I can here sound, so the speakers are definately working.
20:45 < rud0lf> called jitters or grain afaik
20:45 < revel> gomes: Only if people know what you need help with.
20:46 < gomes> i wrote a unit service with type=dbus, my application goes to startup but fails to start
20:46 < gomes> i dont know if i can paste the log here
20:46 < gomes> Because it will flood a lot
20:46 < ayecee> you shouldn't
20:46 < ayecee> you should use a pastebin
20:46 < rud0lf> https://paste.linux.community
20:46 < gomes> thanks rud
20:46 < rud0lf> np
20:47 < gomes> Kingsy: try to verify if the service is online -> systemctl status PulseAudio
20:48 < Kingsy> gomes: it is, I can hear music when I use bluetooth
20:51 < rud0lf> try "pacmd list-cards" output
20:54 < Kingsy> rud0lf: https://pastebin.com/RYj41r0L <-- alot of info there.
20:54 < Kingsy> but yeah HDA Intel PCH <-- is what I want.
20:57 < BluesKaj> Kingsy, what does cat /proc/asound/modules
20:57 < BluesKaj> show
20:57 < zapotah> hrrh, i swear the packages replace the cron scripts and thus the emails go tits up every now and then
20:57 < Kingsy> BluesKaj: 0 snd_hda_intel
20:58 < zapotah> or ive been too drunk and forgotten to define the email variables in the first place...
20:59 < BluesKaj> Kingsy, that's the correct driver...open alsamixer and make sure the automute is disabled
20:59 < Kingsy> BluesKaj: I do! Mast Headphone and Speaker are all unmuited abnd turned up
21:00 < Kingsy> oh and PCM, unmuted and turned up
21:00 < Kingsy> BluesKaj: in pavucontrol under output devices it only lists HDMI / DisplayPort
21:00 < Kingsy> so its like pulseaudio cant find the device.
21:02 < BluesKaj> automute will defeat all of those if it's still enabled , except for the 'phones on some laptops...which desktop are you using, Kingsy?
21:02 < Kingsy> BluesKaj: ubuntu minimal 18.04
21:03 < BluesKaj> so it's gnome?
21:03 < Kingsy> when you say automute, you mean in alsamixer MM
21:03 < Kingsy> no dwm
21:03 < BluesKaj>  alsamixer automute is located on the far right
21:04 < Kingsy> oh craP!!! its enabled.
21:04 < Kingsy> erm haha just need to figure out how to turn it off.
21:05 < BluesKaj> use the use the down arrow key
21:05 < Kingsy> got it.
21:05 < Kingsy> ok lets see if that worked.
21:05 < BluesKaj> ok now escape, and do sudo alsactl store
21:07 < Kingsy> ok, done, argh its still not listed in pavucontrol when I play something.
21:08 < Kingsy> maybe I need to restart pulseaudio or something.
21:09 < rud0lf> Kingsy: what's the laptop model?
21:10 < Kingsy> Zbook 15g G4 I think
21:10 < gomes> Hi guys, if anybody can help with this issue: https://paste.linux.community/view/76f28d0a
21:11 < gomes> I will be really greatful
21:11 < BluesKaj> gomes, why not just explain your issue here?
21:12 < BluesKaj> posting urls will give you fewer looks
21:12 < gomes> sorry
21:12 < gomes> it's because a big text
21:12 < gomes> i didn't want to flood the channeç
21:12 < gomes> *channelç
21:12 < kurahaupo> gomes: what's your question about it?
21:13 < kurahaupo> gomes: describe the problem
21:13 < gomes> I have a dbus application in c++ using qt, running on a raspberry Pi 3
21:13 < gomes> i create both unit systemd service and dbus service
21:13 < gomes> when systemd tries to start application
21:13 < gomes> it get stuck in activating
21:14 < gomes> and then shutdown failing to start
21:14 < gomes> i searched a lot but many solutions works only in archlinux
21:14 < gomes> but im using debian
21:16 < gomes> so what you guys think, any thoughs?
21:17 < lnnb> sounds like something is broke
21:23 < gomes> cd #linx-ops
21:23 < lnnb> might want to try #systemd instead
21:25 < lnnb> and why --close-stderr ? don't you want the error output ?
21:25 < lnnb> maybe check your logs or somethin
21:26 < p0a> Hello I'm trying to use urxvt but when I type `ls --colors=auto' I don't get to see the names of directories
21:28 < ayecee> what do you see instead
21:28 < gomes> lnnb i will ask in systemd thanks
21:29 < p0a> ayecee: it's black like the background but if I highlight it, I can see a blue block
21:31 < lnnb> are your terminal colors set to less than ideal values?
21:34 < p0a> lnnb: not sure
21:36 < lnnb> p0a: xrdb -query -all
21:36 < lnnb> anything in there?
21:39 < Goatman> Ok. I was able to write to my port 0x80 bios debug cart using dd and /dev/port.  Now, what would be a good way to parse the CPU temperature into a valid byte for display on the card?
21:40 < Goatman> Should a table be used, or is there a simpler way?
21:42 < Gringonar> Hey guyz after installing tonns of distros all i got were crashes errors and kernel panics. I just tried a very old Debian 8.2 Livecd and it boots fine lol
21:42 < Gringonar> i'm very confused now lol
21:43 < Gringonar> How would one go about determing the cause of the crashes on more modern distros?
21:45 < triceratux> you have to keep an inventory & work outwards once you find a handful of them that work
21:46 < polprog> hey, im having some problems with self signed certificates in openvpn setup under debian
21:46 < Gringonar> thats very broad
21:46 < p0a> lnnb:
21:46 < polprog> networkmanager in syslog states that it has a self signed cert but none of the certs i have match the error message
21:47 < p0a> lnnb: the colors I got are from someone on a forum, but even if I don't set them and I just set background and foregroundm, this still happens
21:47 < lnnb> p0a: like if you xrdb -reset -all ?
21:47 < triceratux> Gringonar: i go with the xfce distros & keep a close eye on how they differ & how that correlates with how well they work http://pastebin.centos.org/901231/raw/
21:47 < lnnb> err xrdb -remove -all
21:47 < Gringonar> i know lspci freezes on the current arch and it gives TLP errors https://bpaste.net/show/0086f3833e4a
21:48 < polprog> i mean, that the error message shows a cert with emailAddress=me@myhost.mydomain, and none of those certs have that email address
21:48 < polprog> im running in circles here
21:48 < sauvin> Gringonar, what distros crashed?
21:48 < polprog> openssl verification shows OK everywhere, regenerating the keys and the CA doesnt help
21:49 < Gringonar> crashes only arch so far its the first one that booted for me
21:49 < triceratux> Gringonar: did you ever get the video working on that archlinux ?
21:49 < Gringonar> no
21:49 < triceratux> hrmm
21:49 < polprog> is there anything im am missing, any log file location, anything?
21:49 < Gringonar> since im using archlinux livcd
21:49 < polprog> maybe im generating them the wrong way
21:49 < Dagmar> polprog: Did you forget about the chain of trust?
21:50 < polprog> Dagmar: i dont know much about RSA
21:50 < Gringonar> some workarounds need reboots that wont work on livecds since the lose persitence?
21:50 < polprog> can you elaborate
21:50 < Gringonar> thats how i got looking for something to try n install archlinux on and how i found this old debian 8.2 livecd
21:51 < Gringonar> but it boots into xfce desktop manager
21:51 < Dagmar> polprog: So, things have to be willing to _trust_ a self-signed cert, but you can also just make your own CA, generate a normal cert separately, sign your normal cert using the CA, and then _tell whatever is checking to use a keystore that includes your CA_
21:51 < Gringonar> without problems
21:51 < polprog> Dagmar: i dont quite follow.
21:51 < Gringonar> i tried installing xfce on archlinux live to try but all i got were errors that are in the paste
21:52 < polprog> Dagmar: ive got a ca.crt file, and two client files, .crt and .key
21:52 < Dagmar> Anything doing SSL (correctly) has a CA (certificate authority) certificate store
21:52 < polprog> ok, in case of openvpn, where is that store
21:52 < triceratux> what could be better than debian 8.2 xfce tho rofl ?
21:52 < Dagmar> This is generally going to be a set of public keys published by the CAs who sign everyone else's cert.  They are considered to be _trusted_ by the system
21:52 < Gringonar> i found some some posts that say tlp errors can indicate faulty hardware
21:53 < Dagmar> THen they sign someone's key, that conveys trust to the key that was signed
21:53 < p0a> lnnb: that doesn't do anything
21:53 < polprog> ok, how can i generate one (with easy-rsa)
21:53 < lnnb> urxvt must be doing something odd then, maybe it loads ~.Xresources manually
21:54 < Dagmar> By ignoring that because clearly it's not helping you, and just going straight to the OpenSSL docs which tell you exactly how to make a private CA, including mention that the CA cert needs to be self-signed
21:54 < Dagmar> By virtue of being in your local keystore it's already trusted, but CA certs are self-signed as a sanity/verity check
21:54 < Dagmar> polprog: openssl is not hard to work with.  It just requires one to actually read the documentation
21:54 < polprog> i am
21:54 < polprog> reading it.
21:55 < Dagmar> _Without_ a set of local CA certs, the only thing an SSL tool can do is tell you that a connection was successfully negotiated
21:55 < Dagmar> It can't aver to whether or not it connected to the right people at all
21:56 < polprog> i think i found the problem
21:56 < polprog> hold on
21:56 < Gringonar> oh i can get lspci on the old debian 8.2 too without the kernel hanging/freezing
21:57 < MrElendig> you should talk to the hardware maker
21:57 < Dagmar> Gringonar: Scrutinize the output of dmesg right after boot on the malfunctioning OS
21:57 < MrElendig> and as I've said, make sure the firmware is up to date
21:57 < Dagmar> Gringonar: When there's some incomaptibiliity there, the kernel _usually_ says something about it
21:57 < Psi-Jack> Ugh, man...
21:57 < Dagmar> ...although said log message might be something like "This looks weird" or showing you a value that's all zeros or something
21:58 < Psi-Jack> The HGST (Actual Hitachi brand before the sellout), drives I'd bought for my Proxmox VE servers are no longer selling for <$150, but instead nearly $500. Sheash. LOL
21:58 < Dagmar> Yowza
21:58 < Psi-Jack> For 4TiB drives, the HGST CoolSpin 4TiBs
21:58 < Dagmar> Sounds like there's another model that replaced that line, and someone's taking advantage of overly-specific RFPs
21:59 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. Now I'm going to have to go with the Seagate BarraCuda 4TiB.
21:59 < Dagmar> Keep your reciepts
22:00 < Psi-Jack> I mean, I have a 4TiB one of the same model in my desktop now, it's been solid thus far for several months, and faster than my original WD Black 750GiB's
22:00 < zapotah> Psi-Jack: with seagate, its always a gamble
22:00 < Psi-Jack> and this is listed on BackBlaze's top list. :)
22:00 < zapotah> some batches are just shit
22:00 < zapotah> and it breaks
22:00 < Dagmar> Psi-Jack: Remmeber, they brought in all those people from Maxtor
22:00 < Dagmar> zapotah++
22:00 < Psi-Jack> heh
22:01 < Dagmar> Al;though I have to admit that the firmware that would overwrite it's own p-list and g-list with SMART self-test logs was pretty special
22:01 < Penguin> Dagmar: "its"
22:01 < zapotah> ive got three ironwolves (or whatever they called them) and one has some sector problems and i could probly put it into warranty
22:01 < zapotah> two out of eight have failed
22:01 < zapotah> so
22:02 < zapotah> Dagmar: damn, i remember that
22:02 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, purged windows on that one laptop today and installed Solus Budgie. pretty impressed so far.
22:02 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: Noice. :)
22:02 < Dagmar> zapotah: I had *three* of those in the house when that started failing over here
22:02 < zapotah> buger
22:02 < zapotah> bugger even
22:02 < lnnb> !ops Penguin spambot
22:02 < Dagmar> zapotah: The girlfriend's new machine I built he for Christmas, a 1.5Tb one in my fileserver, and a 3Tb one in my desktop that was my main development workspace
22:03 < Psi-Jack> lnnb: Funny. But he's not actually a bot.
22:03 < zapotah> ive got 3x5x4Tb raidz1 in my fileserver
22:03 < Dagmar> I was NOT happy to be rushing to the store to buy a WD Blue to backup the drive while it made a noise like a little kid chewing jawbreakers while it randomly tested billions of "bad" sectors
22:03 < lnnb> is that your alt account?
22:03 < zapotah> fifteen disks
22:03 < Psi-Jack> lnnb: Nope.
22:03 < lnnb> is that your friend?
22:03 < Psi-Jack> Nope.
22:04 < lnnb> nice speculation then
22:04 < Dagmar> It's just another run-of-the-mill pedant.  Just plonk him and all will be well
22:04 < Psi-Jack> I just know him. :p
22:04 < zapotah> then...one m2 disk in my gaming rig and four 500Gb SSDs
22:04 < Dagmar> Yowza
22:04 < Dagmar> What _really_ pissed me off is that they knew about the defect for a full freakin' year before it started kicking in at my place
22:04 < sauvin> lnnb, that's not a spambot. That's just Penguin being a pedant.
22:04 < zapotah> and ive two intel 64G optanes inbound to be used as cache devices for the fileserver
22:04 < Dagmar> If they'd done something other than hide the damn info, I would have just upgraded the firmware on everything and been done with it
22:05 < zapotah> aye
22:05 < lnnb> sauvin: i've never seen it say anything else
22:05 < Psi-Jack> Not even sure if you could quantify that as being a "pedant"
22:05 < searedvandal> Penguin, say hi
22:05 < FreeFull> Dagmar: That sounds like a nightmare
22:05 < Dagmar> Psi-Jack: Consult the actual definition of "pedant" and you'll agree
22:05 < Psi-Jack> A word lately that's over-abused and not actually understood.
22:05 < searedvandal> pendant
22:05 < zapotah> pendant of pedanty +5
22:06 < sauvin> It's in the same few pages of the dictionary as "pederast".
22:06 < FreeFull> Pendants make me think of LoZ: Wind Waker
22:06 < zapotah> sauvin: :D:D:D
22:06 < zapotah> i mightve smiled out loud to that one
22:07 < polprog> so, ive redone the whole process exactly as in the documentation, and im still getting the same error
22:07 < searedvandal> don't smile so loud you bother the neighbours zapotah
22:08 < zapotah> i did get a complaint about too much loud laughing at one place a long time ago
22:08 < sauvin> That'd just make me laugh louder.
22:09 < zapotah> this guy looked like he ate nothing but lemons and walked with his head tilted back 100% of the time
22:10 < Gringonar> MrElendig There is only 1 firmware update available and it fixes a problem with the 4K model that i dont have
22:11 < polprog> i can see i have a self-signed CA certificate, the ca.crt file in the root openvpn directory
22:14 < Goatman> Gringonar, you need to boot into a very limited single user mode and load modules until you find one that crashes, or use a verbose debug serial adapter
22:14 < Goatman> grab dmesg from the serial adapter
22:16 < Gringonar> Goatman ok where can i find more information about that?
22:17 < Gringonar> i serial adapter is a piece of hardware that i probably dont have
22:17 < Gringonar> A*
22:17 < Goatman> even more modern boards have a com header
22:18 < Gringonar> It's a laptop
22:19 < Gringonar> even if its in there i doubt it will be easely accesable
22:19 < Goatman> have you tried simply viewing the messages with verbose output?
22:20 < Gringonar> im new to linux n im drowning ill look up how to do the verbose thing rn
22:21 < Goatman> I had an old PPC Apple eMac that needed heavy coaxing to operate.  nomodeset was a friend here
22:21 < Gringonar> the old deb 82 was for old chrombox i modded to run linux
22:22 < Gringonar> im by now means advanced user yet
22:22 < Gringonar> no*
22:24 < Gringonar> im trying to learn sorry to be a bother, i appreciate the pointers you guyz provide
22:24 < Gringonar> Thanks :)
22:24 < Namarrgon> have you managed to boot with nouveau blacklisted?
22:25 < Gringonar> i was looking for how to do that when i found this old image
22:25 < Gringonar> i asked if i could add it to the boot menu
22:25 < Gringonar> when i boot i get the arch boot menu
22:25 < Gringonar> when i press e
22:26 < Gringonar> i get some parameters for initrd?
22:26 < Namarrgon> yes, find the line that has all the other parameters and add yours to the end
22:26 < Gringonar> but nothing for the kernel can i add it that or do i have to remaster the image?
22:26 < Namarrgon> you can add it right there. it won't persist between reboots but you will only need it for the installation
22:27 < Gringonar> the arch boot menu looks different from grub so thats why im unsure
22:27 < Gringonar> ok
22:27 < Gringonar> ill try that rn before doing the verbose thing
22:27 < Namarrgon> the arch iso uses systemd-boot or syslinux, depending on whether you boot in legacy mode or in uefi
22:27 < Psi-Jack> "rn" is not a word...
22:28 < Gringonar> its shorthand i will type right now
22:28 < Gringonar> sorry
22:28 < sauvin> What, in fact, is "rn"?
22:28 < Psi-Jack> Heh
22:28 < sauvin> I thought it was a newsreader.
22:28 < Psi-Jack> sauvin: Supposed to be "right now".
22:28 < Namarrgon> Gringonar: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernel_parameters
22:28 < sauvin> Ah.
22:28 < Gringonar> nope sorry a habbit
22:28 < sauvin> Break it.
22:29 < searedvandal> rn is short for registered nurse
22:29 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal++
22:29 < Gringonar> thats hard to do sometimes
22:29 < polprog> i figured it out myself, gotta love your RTFM approach. keep up the good work
22:29 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: Your survival depends on it. How about that? ;)
22:29 < polprog> sometimes, there are new people who dont understand the FM
22:29 < Psi-Jack> polprog: The Free Masons?
22:29 < searedvandal> fm radio is hard to understand
22:29 < FreeFull> Sometimes there isn't even a good manual
22:30 < searedvandal> oh, you're talking about freebsd manuals
22:33 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: So, what have you liked and disliked, so far, with Solus
22:33 < Psi-Jack> ?
22:33 < searedvandal> I like the look of budgie. love the eopkg package manager. dislike the stock colors of my bash prompt
22:34 < Psi-Jack> Heh
22:34 < Psi-Jack> Well, thankfully the latter is easy to fix. LOL
22:34 < searedvandal> overall there's not much to say, it just works
22:35 < searedvandal> doesn't seem to use a lot of resources, which is always nice
22:35 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: How's your memory utilization?
22:35 < searedvandal> 600mb after boot
22:35 < Psi-Jack> That was one of the things I noticed specifically about Solus was memory utilization was way lower, immediately, and over time.
22:36 < Psi-Jack> Even now, I'm using 4GiB of RAM, and I run some some pretty heavy things. Chrome, multiple windows with lots of tabs each. Electron app Rambox, Evolution. Heck even steam is running now.
22:38 < searedvandal> that's pretty nice
22:38 < Psi-Jack> And when I do use something memory intensive, and close it, my memory is properly freed up for use for caching or the next app(s).
22:38 < searedvandal> I haven't done much heavy stuff. firefox pretty much eat all the ram it can get on any system, other than that it's mostly terminal stuff
22:38 < drbeavi5> i was looking at Solus not too long ago, it looks pretty neat
22:39 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: What's your total RAM as it is now?
22:39 < Psi-Jack> drbeavi5: Yeah, Solus is lately been my #1 recommended distro. :)
22:39 < drbeavi5> nice @Psi-Jack will check it out sometime
22:43 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, 1.4gb
22:44 < SuperSeriousCat> Firefox is dead now anyway, searedvandal. So it using lots of RAM is no problem
22:44 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: Only 1.5GB total RAM?
22:44 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, oh, total. I got 16gb of ram in this thing
22:44 < searedvandal> 15.6gb according to htop. 1.41gb in use
22:45 < searedvandal> SuperSeriousCat, firefox dead? explain
22:46 < Psi-Jack> Ahh yeah. That's decent enough. :)
22:46 < searedvandal> yep
22:46 < Psi-Jack> So it's likely not my imagination that memory utilization is extremely lower than "normal". :)
22:46 < SuperSeriousCat> Version 60+ is getting lots of data collection tools about you so they can "give you an personal experience". It is bad enough with the ads they got now with paid spots by different places, and the paid autofill URL thingy(Maybe thats only on phones)
22:46 < searedvandal> and luckily no issues with nvidia so far either. just installed the drivers from the settings option and it seems to work great
22:47 < SuperSeriousCat> More info on their blog if you are interested. Im going to bed :p
22:47 < searedvandal> SuperSeriousCat, so basically turning in to google chrome?
22:54 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, and luckily it doesn't seem to run my fans on full tilt on idle. which winblows did. and this machine puts out jet engine level of decibels when the fans run on full speed
22:54 < Psi-Jack> hehehe
22:55 < searedvandal> old "gaming" laptop that probably have pretty dusty fans. should probably clean it one of these days
22:56 < searedvandal> monitor settings was actually set correctly out of the box, full hd, 120hz. which surprised me a bit
22:57 < ibr2> !help
22:57 < searedvandal> just ask your question and someone will answer if they can ibr2 :)
22:58 < sinatrablue> why is kde so buggy on arch?
22:58 < ayecee> i blame the users
22:59 < searedvandal> probably because arch doesn't do much patching and just provide it as intended from upstream?
22:59 < lnnb> those pesky users and their bug reports!
22:59 < searedvandal> and users
22:59 < Dan39> and searedvandal
22:59 < Dan39> all his fault
23:00 < ayecee> if it weren't for users, there would be less bugs reported
23:00 < Psi-Jack> Arch patches.... To make things "compilable", that's about it.
23:00 < searedvandal> Dan39, sure, I can take some blame, but not all ;)
23:00 < Psi-Jack> Then again. Solus does about the same, too. To make things compilable, and security patches.
23:01 < gkwhc> hi, i was wondering if debian has something like AUR in arch that lets users install 3rd party software easily? based on some googling it seems like it doesnt?
23:02 < cr4zyg3n3> gkwhc: on debian you use apt-get and it works beautifully!
23:02 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, which is great in my opinion
23:02 < searedvandal> give us what upstream intended to give us
23:03 < Psi-Jack> Exactly
23:03 < Psi-Jack> Or push upstream to fix things rather than require work-arounds.
23:04 < gkwhc> cr4zyg3n3: well im talking about unofficial software
23:04 < cr4zyg3n3> gkwhc: ok i see
23:05 < Psi-Jack> I mean, things like "update-alternatives" is technically a workaround bandaid Debian derived many many many ages ago.
23:05 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, just noticed that when installing third party from the software center, it still says that it's installing after install is finished.
23:05 < Psi-Jack> Yeaaah. 3rd party stuff is... Not perfect.
23:06 < searedvandal> yeah, not a big deal, I'll know when it's done by the sound of my fans
23:06 < Psi-Jack> heh
23:06 < searedvandal> I guess it's compiling the third party stuff from source?
23:06 < Psi-Jack> 3rd party stuff basically downloads everything and locally packages on your system to deploy it.
23:07 < searedvandal> alright, that's what I thought
23:07 < artie> gkwhc: ubuntu has ppas, which it seems you can use in debian (not sure if easy or recommended)
23:07 < artie> that would be pretty close to what you get with aur
23:07 < searedvandal> certainly not recommended. but probably doable
23:07 < gkwhc> ah cool
23:07 < azarus> 99% of cases where users mess up their debian/ubuntu it's outdated ppas
23:07 < searedvandal> ubuntu may be based on debian, but it's not debian
23:08 < cr4zyg3n3> gkwhc:  on debian you can add a line to your /et/apt/source.list file allowing you to download non-free versions as well don't know exactly what aur does on arch sorry :)
23:08 < gkwhc> artie: but ofcourse there will be quite a few dependency issues? seeing as PPA probably are the lastest versions
23:08 < artie> ppa will use apt to pull in dependencies
23:09 < gkwhc> artie: yeah but that might break some system dependencies? ive had this problem on arch before
23:09 < Dan39> i used PPAs a lot when a few years ago when i did more debian setups, like 75% of the time they worked well
23:09 < msiism> trying a new distro that's more hands on than the one i currently use, i discovered a whole new world of shell setup (bash, mainly). now, i'm trying to find a reasonable and compatible way of doing that (for bourne-like shells). my first question: on debian, ubuntu etc., ~/.bashrc will have a case statement in it, preventing the file from being read any further, if the shell is not running interactively
23:09 < Dan39> thats what i would say was the closest to an AUR-like system
23:09 < msiism> (needed for remote shells). would it be a bad idea to put that into /etc/profile? (i'm beginning to think so.)
23:09 < artie> gkwhc: oh, you'll totally be risking breaking your system. you risk that with aur too, don't you?
23:10 < artie> if you really don't want to break compile from source, throw it in opt, and adjust LD_LIBRARY_PATH
23:10 < searedvandal> you risk that with pretty much everything
23:13 < searedvandal> if Solus keep up impressing me, it may actually replace Arch as my main desktop OS
23:13 < Psi-Jack> Hehe.
23:14 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: Wait till you see the sobuild system. It's pretty impressive to, easier to use than arch's, and more accurate.
23:15 < searedvandal> yeah, I'll have to play around a bit with things this weekend. found one piece of software I want that's not already packaged. So I guess I'll give it a go packaging it myself
23:15 < Elodin> Isn't .Xresources the place to change urxvt font/configs? It doesn't seem to be working for me.
23:15 < msiism> ok, just discovered that that setting is in the global bash config on debian systems as well...
23:15 < Dan39> Elodin: you need to load it with xrdb, usually in bashrc
23:16 < msiism> Elodin: or .xinitrc
23:16 < Dan39> ah yea xinitrc is where i did it
23:16 < Elodin> Dan39: ohh, i knew i was forgetting something.
23:16 < Dan39> iirc some distros already had it ine one of the login scripts
23:17 < Dan39> but yea, xrdb on a non-X login doesn't make much sense i think :p
23:17 < Elodin> so adding the loading in xinitrc is the way to go
23:17 < Dan39> if you use xinitrc...
23:18 < msiism> Elodin: might be different when using a login manager, iirc
23:18 < Dan39> how do you get into your X session Elodin ?
23:18 < Elodin> a login manager
23:18 < Dan39> which one?
23:18 < Dan39> did you try logging out/back-in?
23:18 < Dan39> it might already load it for you on login
23:19 < Psi-Jack> searedvandal: What software?
23:19 < searedvandal> termite
23:19 < Elodin> Dan39: i didnt try that, but that should do the trick, looking at my .xinitrc it has some loading xresources there
23:19 < Psi-Jack> Seen Tilix?
23:20 < Elodin> thanks ill try that
23:20 < lnnb> or just type xrdb -load ~.Xresources
23:20 < Elodin> lnnb: but what if i make changes i gotta keep reloading
23:20 < Dan39> well usually they recommend -merge iirc
23:20 < Dan39> Elodin: correct, need to keep running xrdb
23:20 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, yeah, I've seen what terminal emulators are in the software center. I don't really need termite, but I use it on my other systems so it would be nice to have
23:20 < Elodin> oh, okay
23:21 < Elodin> thanks
23:21 < Psi-Jack> Hehe
23:21 < lnnb> if you are not seeing changes theres no point in logging out and hoping it works
23:21 < lnnb> unless xorg is really that broken
23:24 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, I see that termite has been requested before and rejected due to a conflicting dependency
23:24 < Psi-Jack> Ahhhh that is a possability, yes.
23:25 < searedvandal> yeah, checked the dev portal just now
23:26 < bullgard4> [Debian unstable, Firefox 61.0-1] When entering 'about performance' I obtain a web page "Memory usage of Subprocesses" and "Performance of Web pages". Where is this result explained? I searched Mozilla Support and found 5 results for 'about:performance for All Products'. These 5 are user questions. Where is the Firefox command 'about:performance' explained?
23:29 < lupine> > NoScript may currently be slowing down Firefox
23:29 < lupine> no, mozilla. no it is not.
23:30 < lnnb> heh
23:31 < Alexander-47u> hi guys
23:31 < Alexander-47u> got a situation
23:31 < Alexander-47u> have a web based terminal
23:31 < Alexander-47u> but cant use paste
23:31 < Psi-Jack> Hitting enter
23:31 < Alexander-47u> is there any simulation of pasting the text for me somehow using a tool
23:31 < Psi-Jack> in pauses in thought
23:31 < Psi-Jack> is very annoying
23:31 < lnnb> CPU usage: 0% (total 3589642ms).   0 % ehhh firefox?
23:31 < Psi-Jack> Do you have an actual Linux question?
23:32 < triceratux> rofl
23:32 < Sveta> Alexander-47u, is it a problem with the web browser?
23:33 < Sveta> Alexander-47u, what are the symptoms?
23:34 < lnnb> about:memory is pretty nifty too
23:36 < Alexander-47u> no hehe
23:36 < Alexander-47u> its not a problem
23:36 < Alexander-47u> im looking for a workaround
23:36 < msiism> Alexander-47u: how do you paste?
23:36 < Alexander-47u> normally ctrl+v or rightmouse click paste
23:36 < Alexander-47u> but this is a js web app
23:37 < msiism> Alexander-47u: sometimes shift+ins works, or middle mouse button, if you have that
23:38 < Alexander-47u> no it doesnt
23:38 < Alexander-47u> dont worry man its a very crappy web app meant for practice with pentesting
23:38 < Sveta> Alexander-47u, in your web browser, you can disable javascript messing up with your clipboard
23:38 < Alexander-47u> was just thinking of how this could be possible faster
23:38 < msiism> Alexander-47u: if you just mark any text and then hit middle mouse where you want that text?
23:38 < Sveta> Alexander-47u, what web browser are you using?
23:39 < Alexander-47u> than typing letter for letter
23:39 < Alexander-47u> nvm want to slap myself around now, nc was on the system all allong
23:41 < Alexander-47u> thats what you get when trying something for too long
23:41 < Alexander-47u> sleep is equally important
23:42 < Alexander-47u> i had tried perl, python, php and ruby shells
23:42 < Alexander-47u> but nc was available -___-'
23:44 < jim> Alexander-47u, and, as gruff as Psi-Jack was, he has a point with the enter key... howbout this: consolidating your statements is going to take practice and planning, so please start figuring it :)
23:45 < wonderer> is it possible to set "SSLProtocol All -TLS1.0 -SSLv2 -SSLv3" in .htaccess file?
23:45 < Psi-Jack> No.
23:45 < Alexander-47u> jim, good man, what are you talking about :D?
23:46 < jim> and Psi-Jack, if you'd like to assist (instead of having that "annoyed" tone), help him reach the goal by encouraging the practice
23:50 < Alexander-47u> i was just hoping that someone might have known a method off the top of their heads, as this is the channel with the most knowledgeable users on irc i find.
23:53 < jim> Alexander-47u, I mean earlier, when you were asking a question about a web service that doesn't have a way to accept pastes
23:54 < Alexander-47u> yes, and i was hoping that someone in here knew about a linux tools to simulate key presses from stdin
23:55 < jim> maybe there's a paste thing that works that way instead (so web apps can't block it)
23:56 < Alexander-47u> thank you for thinking with me :), but it was just a quick question to see if anyone in here knows about anything
23:56 < Alexander-47u> priority is not that high
23:58 < jim> yeah, it turns out I could use it too, there are websites that block pasting for the password
23:59 < Alexander-47u> yes, but that cna be circumvented, most of the times thats just javascript blocking the paste
23:59 < jim> which means I have to use much weaker passwords, ones I can easily type and remember
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