--- Log opened Wed Jul 11 00:00:33 2018
00:01 < triceratux> https://nwrickert2.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/booting-solus-2017-01-01/
00:05 < banshi> hello all
00:05 < banshi> I have to comps in network. Say 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.2
00:05 < banshi> I'm sending ping from 2 and want to send back a hand-made packet (pong)
00:06 < banshi> is there utility which can help me to automate it?
00:06 < nchambers> what protocol are you sending the packets over?
00:09 < dgarstang> How do you use nmcli on centos 7 to set search domains for ALL interfaces?
00:10 < esselfe> banshi: you have to edit ping's source to add the -m/--message option
00:10 < esselfe> I don't have a patch for this but it's relativly simple
00:10 < esselfe> inetutils iirc
00:11 < triceratux> "a decent linux should be able to update kernels properly, even if I told it to not install a bootloader. So I think they have a half-baked implementation of linux. I think they are novices at linux, which is why you are having trouble communicating with them." http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r31493437-Solus-Linux
00:11 < phogg> triceratux: too bad, I had heard good things about the Solus desktop experience
00:13 < triceratux> phogg: i literally cannot get it to boot. & then i have no problems finding out why i shouldnt be surprised. but theres no solutions either. if its working forya great. if not its like nothing youve ever seen
00:13 < phogg> triceratux: if you can't get basic install done correctly in 2018 you're pretty much dead on the vine
00:13 < searedvandal> I've had no issues with Solus on my laptop
00:13 < phogg> maybe they're going for an Apple-like "only with our hardware" experience
00:15 < triceratux> phogg: not quite. theyve been hacking on the bootloaders so theres stuff that isnt quite right. & its in the top 10 at distrowatch so it definitely works for somebody. ive only been at it less than a day
00:17 < ZedHeadTed|> !!
00:17 < Psi-Jack> dgarstang: nss doesn't distinguish search domains to specific interfaces to begin with...
00:18 < dgarstang> Psi-Jack: But you have to edit a specific interface file...
00:18 < dgarstang> Psi-Jack: Sorry, rather you have to pass the interface name to nmcli I mean
00:21 < esselfe> so what is the fuzz with updating all the time?
00:23 < banshi> SpringSprocket, man, I didn't get that thing with ping...
00:24 < banshi> when your computer receives ping packet which application (or driver) answers?
00:24 < SpringSprocket> banshi: first you have to edit for the options (getopt) so you add -m/--message, then you write into the padding text with optarg
00:25 < SpringSprocket> oh so you're talking about something else, I guess it's the kernel
00:25 < banshi> I'm talking about sending respond
00:25 < banshi> hand-made respond
00:25 < SpringSprocket> good luck
00:26 < banshi> =D
00:26 < SpringSprocket> (I have no clue)
00:28 < gkwhc> hey guys, ive just installed debian. i can double tap and drag, but cant click and drag. how should i go about configuring X for this?
00:28 < Brainspackle> you need to recompile your kernel with click and drag drivers
00:28 < SpringSprocket> click and hold?
00:29 < SpringSprocket> I've seen no option for this particular behavior
00:29 < Brainspackle> Linux - still catching up to windows 3.1
00:30 < SpringSprocket> synaptics handles clicking I think
00:31 < compdoc> so, who spackled yur Brain?
00:32 < Brainspackle> who repaired the holes in my brain? purely self medicated
00:35 < Kadigan> Goddamn... I'm having trouble getting a Samba share working under Windows 7. I'm not exactly sure why, because I have like 3 other shares running (from different machines), and yet this one stubbornly refuses to mount - I'm getting "network password is not correct". Using `smbclient` from Linux, I can connect no problem. Windows is configured to not explicitly require signing, I checked. No matter what I put in the config, I get not correct password
00:35 < Kadigan> . I'm tired...
00:36 < esselfe> >.< windows
00:36 < Bunk> hi
00:36 < esselfe> hi
00:37 < Kadigan> esselfe: ... so?
00:37 < twainwek> occam's razor says that problem is with windows
00:37 < esselfe> Kadigan: i CAN'T HELKP YOU WITH WINDOWS
00:37 < Kadigan> Please don't shout at me, 'kay?
00:37 < esselfe> oops, I pressed the wrong button sorry
00:37 < Kadigan> The same Windows machine is currently connected to a BSD share, another Debian share, a dd-wrt share... I just can't get this new Debian samba 4 working, for some reason.
00:38 < Kadigan> If there was a "crippling error" on Windows, the other shares would feel it too. They don't.
00:38 < nchambers> can you connect to it from another machine?
00:38 < Kadigan> I can sure list the shares from the other Debian I mentioned.
00:39 < Kadigan> (smbclient -L)
00:39 < nchambers> if that windows device is the only one that can't connect to the share, then its probably a problem with that client
00:39 < Kadigan> ... I can't deny your logic.
00:39 < nchambers> just because it can connect to other shares, doesn't mean theres not a problem with it connecting to this one. I've seen windwos cache samba passwords that were changed months ago, and I have no idea why
00:40 < twainwek> because windows... like i said occam's razor
00:40 < kerframil> Kadigan: 1) pastebin your smb.conf 2) consider the username/password pair that is being used by the client; verify that an account of the same name is defined for samba, according to pdbedit -L
00:45 < Kadigan> I performed `smbclient -U {user} //10.0.0.22/Serwer -c ls` and it lists perfectly well. Seems Windows really is the culprit. Thanks for your time.
00:46 < nchambers> \o/
00:46 < twainwek> i have yet to use a product by ms that's hasn't been half assed
00:47 < Kadigan> twainwek: I've had similar problems w/ macOS, if that's any help... They also tend to roll their own stuff.
00:47 < Kadigan> (and they have no excuse, since the software is available to them, free of charge, already in Darwin lingo)
00:47 < nchambers> idk licensing is a pretty good excuse
00:48 < nchambers> they haven't updated bash since 3.2 because of it :)
00:48 < nchambers> :( *
00:49 < geri_> hi i have apline-linux.
00:49 < geri_> and run:             apk add --update py-pip             pip install docker-compose==1.21.2
00:50 < geri_> how can i get the latest stable version to install?
00:50 < geri_> at the moment its hardcoded to 1.21.2
00:50 < twainwek> well, personally i haven't yet quiet gotten the feeling that apple's products (hardware or software) have been haf assed by interns over the course of a week
01:09 < banshi> esselfe, I found solution
01:10 < banshi> do u wan2kno?
01:28 < esselfe> sure what is it?
01:29 < UserUS> can I ask a test disk question?
01:31 < banshi> esselfe, it's scapy
01:31 < banshi> UserUS, yes
01:31 < banshi> wussup with test disk?
01:32 < Nani_Dragon> for practicing with RHEL stuff, would you guys recommend Fedora or openSUSE? Wanting to work towards RHCSA certification and looking for a desktop OS. Will be using CentOS for the servers
01:33 < Evidlo> geri_ (IRC): the latest version of docker-compose?  just remove the ==1.21.2 part
01:33 < Evidlo> Fedora is closer to redhat than opensuse
01:33 < Nani_Dragon> is Fedora stable?
01:34 < Evidlo> yes
01:34 < UserUS> banshi: I'm helping someone who is trying to rebuild there NTFS boot sector and partition table https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Advanced_NTFS_Boot_and_MFT_Repair#Rebuilding_An_NTFS_Boot_Sector_On_An_NTFS_Partition
01:34 < Evidlo> and centos works fine for a desktop, too.  the packages are just going to be old
01:34 < banshi> UserUS, man, NTFS is all about Windows
01:35 < banshi> UserUS, I thought you are talking about fsck
01:35 < banshi> or something related to linux
01:36 < UserUS> banshi, problem is, it won't boot so he's doing everything in linux
01:37 < banshi> UserUS, how comes his know that boot sector is corrupted?
01:37 < Evidlo> just boot into a windows install disk and repair
01:37 < banshi> he*
01:37 < banshi> he knows*
01:38 < supera_vaticano> i jumped to the other side
01:38 < Evidlo> him knoweth*
01:39 < Evidlo> you switched to windows?
01:40 < UserUS> banshi: https://forum.cgsecurity.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7977&p=25732#p25712
01:41 < Nani_Dragon> Evidlo: You think running CentOS on a desktop would be fine?
01:41 < b0nn> hi all, I'm trying to work out how to do an alias that does the following: When I call `go get <something>` I want go get <something> run, then I want to change to ~/path/to/go/src then I want to run ctags -R (in the background if possible) but leave me in the directory where I ran the command. Is this possible?
01:42 < Evidlo> yes its fine.  the packages are going to be something like a year old, because thats what you get with a 'stable' distro
01:43 < banshi> UserUS, are you sure your 'friend' didn't worn out his SSD?
01:43 < banshi> when SSD worned out it becomes read only drive
01:43 < noirx> hello all
01:43 < banshi> tell him to check SMART
01:44 < UserUS> banshi: now he's doing this https://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step#Partition_table_recovery. I don't know, I'll ask. I noticed he had too many page files
01:44 < banshi> noirx, hey
01:44 < UserUS> banshi, okay, thanks
01:44 < Evidlo> b0nn (IRC): https://superuser.com/questions/105375/bash-spaces-in-alias-name
01:44 < noirx> first time i use mint i see why mint rated nr 1
01:45 < akk> b0nn: Yes, you can do things like that.
01:46 < triceratux> noirx: welcome to presentable linux that works
01:46 < Evidlo> b0nn (IRC): also use $2 instead of $@ to get the value of <something>
01:46 < akk> b0nn: You can either use pushd, or use a subshell do you cd in the subshell but not in the shell you called the function from.
01:46 < Evidlo> b0nn (IRC): to get the value of 'something'
01:46 < Nexilva> Hey guys what's the linux laptop power management tools, sleep, and hibernate, etc.
01:47 < esselfe> Nexilva: systemd?
01:47 < noirx> triceratux: i appreciate the ease and beauty of mint 19 i installed on my old atom 1.60 mini laptop
01:47 < Nexilva> hm.
01:47 < kerframil> b0nn: don't use aliases, for a start
01:47 < Nexilva> I'm checking debian wiki and manuals etc. I can't seem to find how to do this
01:48 < akk> There are usually several different ways to sleep/hibernate on any given system, using systemd, acpi, kernel files etc.
01:48 < esselfe> ie to hibernate I call 'systemctl start systemd-hibernate
01:48 < banshi> UserUS, he checked the SMART, but it had corrupted output. It seems that SSD is burned...
01:48 < Nexilva> there is a package called laptop-mode-tools
01:48 < Nexilva> you know about this?
01:48 < esselfe> no
01:49 < kerframil> b0nn: myfunction() { go get "$@" && cd wherever && ctags -R & }
01:49 < UserUS> banshi, well he said he can't mount it either
01:49 < banshi> UserUS, ^
01:49 < banshi> Nexilva, what is your question?
01:49 < UserUS> banshi, wait nvm, that was something else sorry
01:49 < b0nn> kerframil: will that ignore all other `go` calls?
01:50 < Nexilva> I found this: http://wiki.yobi.be/wiki/Debian_on_laptop
01:50 < kerframil> b0nn: no? it does exactly what it's told to do, which begins with running go get along with any positional parameters specified.
01:50 < banshi> Nexilva, if you just want to know what are laptop utils
01:50 < banshi> you can download Linux Mint 18 Mate
01:50 < Nexilva> banshi: power configs on AC plugged in, on AC out, battery mode, low battery mode, what to do when lid closed, when/how much to dim screen on these various power level modes, suspend, sleep, hibernate, etc.
01:50 < banshi> and you'll see
01:50 < Nexilva> I would like an easy to use gui to manage this.
01:50 < Evidlo> kerframil (IRC): thats not what he asked.  he wants to alias 'go get' with an argument
01:51 < Evidlo> b0nn: I already gave you the answer
01:51 < kerframil> Evidlo: uh, hence "$@"
01:51 < banshi> Nexilva, if you want friendly linux distro - go ahead and download Linux Mint 18 Mate
01:51 < Nexilva> when power plugged in, on lid close, lock screen, on power out, battery mode, lid close, go to sleep, when lower power, around 5% left, suspend to ram and shut off.
01:51 < banshi> Evidlo, you'll get friendly GUI
01:51 < banshi> for that things
01:51 < Nexilva> banshi: no i've put in a lot of work for debian.
01:52 < b0nn> Evidlo: kerframil was just rephrasing that which is on the first link you provided
01:52 < Nexilva> Debian has to have these tools it's the base for all those distros
01:52 < akk> I've had laptop-mode-tools do strange things on my laptop that interfered with suspend and resume, so it's not necessarily a help.
01:52 < banshi> it's not the base for Mint 18
01:52 < Nexilva> You know, regular mobile computing power things
01:52 < b0nn> TBH it's still a bit beyond my bash-fu
01:53 < banshi> Nexilva, I'm no devuan 1.0 with Mate desktop. To do that you want I go System->Preferences->Power Management
01:53 < UserUS> banshi, it's 3.5 years old
01:53 < banshi> on*
01:53 < Evidlo> what he gave wont work.  you need to replace 'myfunction' with 'go' and add an if statement that checks if $1=='get'
01:53 < banshi> UserUS, 3.5 years old? it's very old
01:53 < Nexilva> I will install systemsettings of KDE
01:53 < Nexilva> I used to use linux mint 17 kde
01:54 < UserUS> banshi, yeah and what you said makes sense, because he doesn't have permissions if it's in read only
01:54 < banshi> kde is sux 4 me
01:54 < Nexilva> I can insstall kde gui tools, np, hopefully they will provide the configs I need
01:54 < Evidlo> b0nn (IRC): take a shot at it. see how far you get
01:54 < Nexilva> I like Qt better than GTK
01:54 < b0nn> ok
01:55 < banshi> Evidlo, i don't care about qt/gtk, i just stick with working configuration =)
01:55 < banshi> stable working conf
01:55 < kerframil> b0nn: the sample function isn't intended to be named go. it's easier if you name it something else.
01:56 < Ravenmire> I had an operation that kept running out of space on /tmp; someone gave me a mount/remount command to increase /tmp to 16G. I cleverly didn't copy the command down. ;( Can someone give it to me?
01:56 < Nexilva> I think I'll deal with KDE tools under Xmonad env. not the whole KDE desktop/session
01:59 < koala_man> Ravenmire: sounds like your /tmp is using tmpfs, in which case mount -o remount,size=16G /tmp
02:00 < esselfe> Ravenmire: mount -vo remount,size=3G /tmp
02:00 < Ravenmire> Yes, it's using tmpfs and that's the command! Thank you.
02:05 < Evidlo> b0nn (IRC): although kerframil is right, it would be easier and better to just give it a different name
02:05 < Ravenmire> koala_man, does it have to be run as root?
02:08 < Ravenmire> esselfe, the 'v' gives more information...I like that ;)
02:10 < zentropy> what does it mean having a bunch of fbdisk files in /dev?
02:11 < zentropy> fbdisk0 up to fbdisk255
02:23 < Evidlo> it means you are The One
02:25 < Nexilva> Is there a standalone KDE panel on the bottom of screen I can use with Xmoand?
02:25 < Nexilva> I am in Debian, and I have installed the kde-full metapackage, and it fetched like 2gb of packages
02:26 < Nexilva> I don't want to use a full kde desktop with plasma and kwin etc, but just Xmonad session, plus a panel on bottom.
02:26 < Nexilva> But I want Qt stuff, not GTK+ stuff
02:29 < Nexilva> I can run 'systemsettings5' under xfce, but it doesn't show any icons, only text. However, kde-full has been installed. Any ideas?
02:32 < Nexilva> I got it figured, I had to setup an actual icon theme in the systemsetting5 icon settings
02:33 < Al_nz1> whats the best command over ssh to issue to release/renew a lease
02:33 < triceratux> Nexilva: there are a few lxqt distros competing with lubuntu 18.10. LXQtExTiX shipped in quite presentable shape http://www.extix.se/?p=393
02:36 < Nexilva> Ddue, I just spent all day battling with debian to get everything setup
02:36 < Nexilva> Not switching now.
02:44 < BerenErchamion> What bash command shows or opens a file?
02:44 < ayecee> all of them
02:45 < BerenErchamion> Is the command called "print" ?
02:45 < BerenErchamion> or is it "open" ?
02:45 < ayecee> it may be "cat"
02:46 < ayecee> from the word "concatenate"
02:47 < Psi-Jack> BerenErchamion: bash has no command for that.
02:47 < BerenErchamion> for example, would this work:  #cat armagetronad
02:47 < ayecee> try it and see
02:47 < BerenErchamion> $cat armagetronad
02:47 < BerenErchamion> ok
02:47 < ayecee> one does not normally include the prompt when pasting commands
02:47 < Psi-Jack> Without the # or $
02:47 < ayecee> the $ or # in your examples are the prompt
02:47 < Nexilva> powerdevil is instaled, but service isn't runing or even showing up in the services tab in kde
02:47 < Nexilva> I wonder why
02:47 < BerenErchamion> first I'll try this:  cat -h
02:48 < fugee> i can't get elasticsearch to run on ubuntu 18.04 it says There is insufficient memory for the Java Runtime Environment to continue
02:48 < Psi-Jack> BerenErchamion: homework?
02:48 < ayecee> if you're expecting that to be help for cat, you should first try: man cat
02:48 < jim> BerenErchamion, so there's not a bash builtin that opens a file, there are compiled executable programs that do that
02:49 < ayecee> man is short for manuel, a reference to a mexican who enjoys writing documentation
02:49 < nchambers> sure there are
02:49 < nchambers> contents=$(<thefile)
02:49 < pingfloyd> there's a few ways to print a file to stdout
02:49 < Psi-Jack> nchambers: that's redirection. Not a command.
02:49 < ayecee> watch while we one-up one another while pedanticating about them.
02:49 < nchambers> while IFS= read -r line; do printf '%s\n' "$line"; done < file
02:50 < nchambers> Psi-Jack: same difference. you still get the file
02:50 < jim> that's a file redirect :)
02:50 < pingfloyd> cat phobia
02:50 < Psi-Jack> Catnip
02:50 < nchambers> why use cat when there are builtin ways to get the file?
02:50 < pingfloyd> because the builtin ways are ugly
02:50 < learningc> Quick question, when I list directory, what does number 10 represent?  drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 Jul  4  2018 ..
02:50 < nchambers> shell programming is ugly
02:50 < jim> cat's handy, that's its purpose :)
02:50 < pingfloyd> before you end up with looks like perl
02:50 < jim> agreed, it is ugly
02:51 < pingfloyd> with a write only script
02:51 < BerenErchamion> It's really hard to open the file
02:51 < Psi-Jack> learningc: index size?
02:51 < pingfloyd> which totally misses the point of unix philosophy
02:51 < Psi-Jack> BerenErchamion: what are you actually trying to do?
02:51 < BerenErchamion> I tried several different methods, and the command console keeps telling me "No such file or directory"
02:51 < BerenErchamion> I'm trying to open a file
02:51 < BerenErchamion> and look inside it
02:51 < nchambers> pingfloyd: debatable, but if you're going to do shell programming, might as well do it right
02:51 < pingfloyd> what type of file?
02:52 < BerenErchamion> It's a config file for armagetronad
02:52 < nchambers> otherwise you should just use a normal language
02:52 < ayecee> BerenErchamion: that normally means you've typed the file name incorrectly
02:52 < Psi-Jack> BerenErchamion: are you using Linux, WSL, or nacOS?
02:52 < pingfloyd> nchambers: debatable, being anal retentive about avoiding the rest of userland is correct
02:52 < BerenErchamion> yeah, but I tried a dozen different variations of the file name and none of them worked with the cat command
02:52 < nchambers> wat
02:52 < jim> BerenErchamion, what's your overall situation? if this is schoolwork, tell me what the question you're working on is, and I (or someone... I just know cat) can help you learn the material
02:52 < ayecee> a derivitive of nacOS called nachOS
02:52 < nchambers> i never said avoid userland
02:52 < Psi-Jack> macOS even. Lol
02:52 < pingfloyd> when userland was smaller, you often had to resort to such constructs
02:52 < ziggylazer> Pragma, think maybe its time to let go of the grude?
02:52 < CheetahPixie> Okay.
02:52 < CheetahPixie> So.
02:52 < pingfloyd> there was a time that unix didn't even have a pipe
02:52 < CheetahPixie> I need some help, lads.
02:53 < ayecee> BerenErchamion: what was the command you typed, and what was the error
02:53 < ayecee> CheetahPixie: good luck with that.
02:53 < nchambers> i fail to see your point
02:53 < ayecee> nchambers: as is tradition
02:53 < CheetahPixie> I want a PXE server, with a couple twists.
02:53 < jim> if it's not school learning and you're just looking to find out, tell us that too
02:53 < nchambers> ayecee: i saw your point just fine
02:53 < CheetahPixie> I have several hard disk images. If I can compress them into a format that is random-accessible, that'd be great because I'd like to boot from these compressed images.
02:53 < ayecee> nchambers: sadly, you could not relate your own.
02:53 < Psi-Jack> CheetahPixie: excessive enter detected...
02:53 < BerenErchamion> I'm just trying to look for the cycle-brake scripts written for the game called Armigetron
02:53 < CheetahPixie> And also to store any changes I make in a second "diff file", of sorts.
02:53 < nchambers> pingfloyd: if you're writing python do you use cat instead of file.open?
02:54 < learningc> Psi-Jack, maybe number of links?
02:54 < nchambers> ayecee: you're more than welcome to think that
02:54 < meyou> CheetahPixie, so you want to reinvent vdi with linked clones
02:54 < BerenErchamion> I discovered there's a way to change the commands in the T3h console, so you can control the acceleration of your light cycle
02:54 < Psi-Jack> learningc: for.. Possibly
02:54 < ayecee> well thank you for your encouragement
02:54 < Psi-Jack> But not likely for ls.
02:54 < CheetahPixie> I'm not looking to reinvent anything.
02:54 < CheetahPixie> I just want to clone images, compress them, and be able to boot from them.
02:55 < meyou> do it
02:55 < ayecee> "just"
02:55 < CheetahPixie> How?
02:55 < CheetahPixie> I have no idea how to even do *any* of this kind of stuff.
02:55 < BerenErchamion> But it doesn't work in the T3h console, so I decided to look inside the game's config file
02:55 < ayecee> i just want to be able to have a pony, ride a pony, and feed a pony.
02:55 < meyou> so you don't want to do any of that
02:55 < meyou> you want us to
02:55 < CheetahPixie> No.
02:55 < CheetahPixie> I want to know how to.
02:55 < Nexilva> How do you start KDE services under another WM without using startkde or kde-start etc?
02:56 < CheetahPixie> I want some help, because I don't even know where/how to start.
02:56 < pingfloyd> nchambers: that's a bad comparison
02:56 < ziggylazer> CheetahPixie, google is a good place to start
02:56 < pingfloyd> nchambers: you're comparing python with unix philosophy and its userland
02:56 < CheetahPixie> For which I've not really found much so far. Guess I'll try again.
02:56 < ziggylazer> Sound very ignorant
02:56 < pingfloyd> nchambers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy
02:57 < ayecee> ziggylazer: the pot calls the kettle black
02:57 < nchambers> pingfloyd: I'm not. you said i'm being anal about avoiding userland because i said use the builtin ways. thats no different than using the builtin ways in any other language
02:57 < ziggylazer> ayecee, for what?
02:57 < CheetahPixie> Tried again to ask Google about PXE booting compressed images.
02:57 < BerenErchamion> All I need to do is change one of the T3h commands from cycle_brake to cycle_brake-1 in order to turn the brake key to an accelerator key.  But the only problem I have is that I can't open the Armagetron .config file
02:57 < CheetahPixie> Turns up... nothing useful.
02:57 < pingfloyd> nchambers: a proper analogy would be if you said you should use python without any modules
02:57 < nchambers> pingfloyd: not really
02:57 < pingfloyd> yes really
02:58 < nchambers> wat
02:58 < ziggylazer> Do I often turn up here and ask all of you to do my work for me?
02:58 < nchambers> we're comparing builtin ways to do things
02:58 < jim> BerenErchamion, the typical way to display a file (say it's called aFile.txt), is to run this: cat aFile.txt
02:58 < pingfloyd> that would be a logical comparison instead of comparing apples with oranges.
02:58 < nchambers> also, you're discussing GNU bash in ##linux. theres not much unix philosophy present
02:58 < ayecee> ziggylazer: would that make you ignorant if you did?
02:58 < nchambers> you've got a weird definition of logical, but whatever you say :)
02:58 < jim> if you want to make changes to the file, maybe nano aFile.txt
02:58 < pingfloyd> so you're saying that gnu doesn't follow unix tenet?
02:59 < ziggylazer> ayecee, so whats the issue?
02:59 < BerenErchamion> I know I'm in the right directory, but the cat command really doesn't work with any of the files in the var directory
02:59 < nchambers> gnu expands and changes it
02:59 < nchambers> which isn't really following it
02:59 < ziggylazer> you say I am ignorant and thats no good
02:59 < nchambers> the name is literally, gnu not unix
02:59 < pingfloyd> gnu is a complete rewrite of unix due to licensing
02:59 < ziggylazer> So please provide some context and maybe I can better myselfe
02:59 < ayecee> ziggylazer: the issue is that "sound very ignorant" is abusive without advancing the conversation.
02:59 < nchambers> yes im aware
02:59 < BerenErchamion> so the problem lies with the command itself, and not the files, which I have tried a dozen times with a dozen different variations
03:00 < ldlework> pingfloyd: that's pretty amazing put that way
03:00 < CheetahPixie> I am not asking anyone to do work for me. All I need is some help because I can't find it elsewhere, and here I am being met by elitists who mock me indirectly, providing nothing useful in the process, so thanks, I guess.
03:00 < pingfloyd> nchambers: so you don't get why they named it gnu
03:00 < jim> logic is a wreath of pretty flowers.... that smell baasdddd
03:00 < nchambers> im well aware and understand why they named it gnu :)
03:00 < pingfloyd> nchambers: gnu is a wordplay.
03:00 < ldlework> jim: but good for luring griffins
03:00 < pingfloyd> nchambers: seems like you don't since you use that as argument.
03:00 < ldlework> (sorry I finally just got around to Witcher 3)
03:00 < nchambers> if you say so :)
03:00 < ziggylazer> ayecee, so asking others to do your work for you and not even bother to search for information derserves a more expressive answer?
03:01 < jim> the griffins are touring?!
03:01 < ayecee> ziggylazer: it deserves less of an answer.
03:01 < BerenErchamion> wow, it worked.  the file was called user.cfg
03:02 < ziggylazer> See calling me ignorant on that basis dosent seem very fair
03:02 < jim> BerenErchamion, the way you can remember the cat command, is it's short for conCATenate
03:02 < ayecee> ziggylazer: an ignorant person speaks their mind without there being much mind to speak.
03:02 < jim> which is a fancy word for "string a bunch of files together end to end"
03:03 < ayecee> ziggylazer: if you have nothing to say, say nothing.
03:03 < ziggylazer> ayecee, so that is your view of me?
03:04 < jim> BerenErchamion, so now that you -see- the file, do you want to change it?
03:04 < ayecee> ziggylazer: no, it's my view of the words you used to present yourself.
03:05 < ziggylazer> What else should we look out for?
03:05 < BerenErchamion> yes jim
03:05 < pingfloyd> ziggylazer: do you post on "google it" on stack exchange?
03:05 < BerenErchamion> I found the right command line that needs to be changed
03:05 < BerenErchamion> jim I suppose I need to open some kind of text editor?
03:05 < ayecee> we should look out for bees.
03:06 < BerenErchamion> It's on another computer, so I won't be able to copy and paste anything from here
03:06 < jim> BerenErchamion, ok... what you need is a text file editor... and there are lots and lots and lots.... one that's pretty easy to figure out, is nano
03:06 < ziggylazer> just unfair and unnecessary.
03:06 < pingfloyd> imagine if everyone answered "google it" in here
03:06 < ayecee> ziggylazer: yes! exactly!
03:06 < ayecee> ziggylazer: both of those things!
03:06 < ziggylazer> no dude
03:07 < BerenErchamion> But it's the same OS as this computer, so maybe I could try it out with this computer
03:07 < pingfloyd> this would be a "support" channel only in name, but a google promotion channel in practice
03:07 < BerenErchamion> I'm using Linux Mint
03:07 < BerenErchamion> Cinnamon
03:07 < jim> a text file editor is a program that shows you what you can change, or just show you the whole file
03:08 < BerenErchamion> Linux Mint 18.3
03:08 < ziggylazer> so ayecee your solution was to act that way?
03:08 < BerenErchamion> This computer is actually using Linux Mint 17.2
03:08 < ziggylazer> Where is the logic in that?
03:08 < ayecee> ziggylazer: solution to what
03:08 < ayecee> ziggylazer: my logic is that you asked what my objection was, and i explained.
03:08 < ayecee> ziggylazer: don't get all pissy about it.
03:09 < BerenErchamion> Linux Mint 18.3 is running as a Linux live CD on another computer that has the game Armagetron installed on it
03:09 < BerenErchamion> so it's all running off the RAM
03:10 < ziggylazer> maybe the lack of sleep is taking its toll.
03:10 < BerenErchamion> jim I can use All Appications menu to find the text editor
03:10 < BerenErchamion> jim which names should I look for?
03:11 < BerenErchamion> jim I just found Text Editor in Accessories
03:13 < Psi-Jack> BerenErchamion: have you used Linux much at all?
03:14 < ayecee> safe to say no
03:14 < ziggylazer> BerenErchamion, I think there is youtube videos that goes over basic things that you should know when you start
03:14 < ayecee> which videos are those
03:15 < ziggylazer> And there is some online courses that are free that touches different aspects of Linux
03:15 < ayecee> which courses are those
03:15 < learningc> How can I both display the output on terminal and save in a file?
03:15 < BerenErchamion> I do have some experience text editing before, but I was just following inctructions and it was a couple years ago
03:15 < ayecee> learningc: the program "tee" is often used for that
03:15 < Psi-Jack> learningc: tee
03:16 < learningc> ok
03:16 < ziggylazer> I think the linuxfoundation has some
03:16 < jim> ziggylazer, sure, but you've been around for a long time, is it for you?
03:16 < ziggylazer> Haha
03:16 < learningc> Any small example with tee to do it with cat myfile?
03:16 < Psi-Jack> learningc: sure. Check the man page.
03:16 < ayecee> ziggylazer: i think there's some links on google that can help you communicate better
03:16 < ayecee> learningc: cat myfile | tee myfile2
03:17 < jim> if I put a cat on a tee it will hurt if I swing/
03:17 < jim> ?
03:17 < ayecee> jim: just remember to follow through, should be no problem
03:17 < Psi-Jack> jim perhaps
03:17 < learningc> ayecee, Thanks
03:18 < jim> there's some tee like operations built into the shell, I am not familiar with them though, I haven't needed em yet
03:18 < BerenErchamion> Is it okay to use gedit 2.30.4 Text Editor to edit the command line I want to change on that user.config file jim ?
03:18 < jim> sure
03:19 < jim> you can use gedit or any text editor
03:19 < BerenErchamion> the only problem is it won't show any of the files in any of my directories
03:19 < BerenErchamion> except for the Desktop folders
03:19 < jim> BerenErchamion, I had the (maybe mistaken?) impression you're new to linux and comands?
03:20 < jim> the command to list files, is called ls
03:20 < BerenErchamion> I've been using Linux for years, but I don't have much experience with the console commands
03:20 < Psi-Jack> I call bull
03:20 < dannylee> ls -R
03:20 < dannylee> ls -R *****
03:20 < dannylee> ls -al
03:21 < jim> a bull suddenly appears and chases Psi-Jack around a turnstile
03:21 < Psi-Jack> Lol
03:22 < Psi-Jack> Well. I am wearing red....
03:22 < Evidlo> BerenErchamion (IRC): look up "intro to linux" on Youtube.  It will explain all this basic stuff
03:22 < ldlework> learning linux by video
03:22 < jim> and as pis begins to look behind him, the bull disappears again
03:22 < ldlework> O_O
03:24 < jim> BerenErchamion, I used to have some... google for nixie pixel
03:24 < dannylee> bluefish is one of the best tex editor ive use..but i still love gedit????
03:24 < pingfloyd> BerenErchamion: a gui editor is going to be a pita for that reason (it takes you away from the command line)
03:26 < pingfloyd> like how hitting F5 is magic to visual studio users
03:26 < jim> aren't bulls colorblind?
03:26 < BerenErchamion> Good idea, may be a can do a search on YouTube like "Text Editor Nixie Pixel" jim
03:27 < jim> BerenErchamion, or, just google for nixie pixel, she made videos that show a lot of different basic commands
03:28 < dannylee> ya ok microsoft want toooo kill the linux terminal duck them and there family...they just spend allot of money messing up linux and freebsd..i hope they all die a painful Death... 8-)
03:28 < jim> BerenErchamion, you've used gedit a lot?
03:28 < BerenErchamion> No, just a few times before
03:28 < Psi-Jack> Evidlo: please fix your matrix configs...
03:29 < BerenErchamion> I think we were doing troubleshooting related to Google Chrome.  I can't remember much
03:30 < jim> BerenErchamion, but you've at least... started gedit on a file? made a few changes to the file? saved the file with its new content?
03:30 < BerenErchamion> yes
03:30 < BerenErchamion> But I was just blindly following instructions from an experienced Linux programmer
03:30 < Evidlo> It's a problem with the Matrix bridge.  It presents all IRC users with (IRC) in their name
03:30 < dannylee> i love the bash terminal that why i use linux fedora 27...because it works for me...
03:31 < jim> ok, so the editor part is taken care of... you have an editor that you even prefer, which is a very good start
03:31 < BerenErchamion> and I was feeding him the results of each command he gave me and posting them on imgur
03:32 < BerenErchamion> No, actually, he made it even easier to post the results of each command: it wasn't imgur
03:32 < jim> BerenErchamion, "just blindly following instructions" to make changes to a file?
03:33 < jim> speaking of programming... does that hold any interest for you?
03:33 < BerenErchamion> Yeah.  I just typed in everything he told me, posted the results on pastebin and it took like 3 hours
03:33 < BerenErchamion> but it worked
03:34 < pingfloyd> it worked as in google now has all your information?
03:34 < jim> what took three hours?
03:34 < ayecee> the cruise
03:34 < BerenErchamion> the troubleshooting
03:34 < jim> ok
03:34 < BerenErchamion> I should check my journals.  Because I did a lot of screen capturing during the process
03:35 < jim> ok
03:35 < dannylee> html5 is on my list of things toooo do... but i'm just a bit lazy..python is really easy too learn..i have all my books..ill still love c...its all c00.00l
03:35 < epicmetal> DAE use Linux tinkering as the ultimate procrastination tool
03:36 < BerenErchamion> I am interested in programming, but not sure if I have the time to learn it
03:36 < ldlework> we all have time for the things we prioritize
03:36 < dannylee> just one hour a day.
03:36 < BerenErchamion> If I fail to fix such a simple thing as a user-config script for a simple game, then I doubt I have the skills to be a programmer jim
03:36 < pingfloyd> BerenErchamion: to get the most out of linux, you don't really need to learn to program anything but the shell
03:37 < pingfloyd> and shell basics and knowledge of the userland will cover 99%
03:37 < BerenErchamion> Yeah, I have printed out and read through "The 5-Minute Essential Shell Tutorial"
03:38 < jim> no one has the skills before they learn how... I'm just wondering, are you interested?
03:38 < BerenErchamion> I wish I had more time to read through it more and to understand those shell commands better, and experiment with them
03:38 < dannylee> but i'm the lazyest person on this earth...you can do any thing you want.if you love what you are doing..
03:38 < pingfloyd> that will take you real far thanks to unix tenet.  Something that is being pushed aside as time goes.
03:39 < jim> ok
03:39 < pingfloyd> most fools confusing working smarter with being lazy
03:39 < jim> so it sounds like what you want right now, is to know basically how to get around in the shell?
03:39 < pingfloyd> *confuse
03:39 < BerenErchamion> For me, it's just a matter of time.  the more time I spend on something, the easier it gets and the more fun and interesting it is
03:39 < ziggylazer> https://www.tecmint.com/free-online-linux-learning-guide-for-beginners/ section 2
03:40 < jim> ziggylazer, that looks promising
03:40 < SAilorR> whats a good book on how the linux kernel works
03:40 < SAilorR> i mean the most generic husk
03:41 < SAilorR> the one tovalds originally conceived
03:41 < Nexilva> Yeah, I don't like debian on laptop.
03:41 < BerenErchamion> yes, the funny thing was I really didn't understand how the kernel works until I watched the Disney Movie Tron and saw the Master Control Program in the flesh
03:41 < Nexilva> It's a real apin to configure anything really.
03:41 < ayecee> heh
03:41 < Nexilva> a pain*
03:41 < Nexilva> Debian on laptop is a total disaster.
03:41 < ayecee> an excellent documentary
03:41 < ziggylazer> https://doc.lagout.org/operating%20system%20/linux/Linux%20Kernel%20Development%2C%203rd%20Edition.pdf think I had this recommended  to me
03:42 < Evidlo> why does killing pulseaudio break a lot of my media applications even after I restart it?
03:42 < BerenErchamion> thanks for the first link, ziggylazer
03:42 < SAilorR> maybe theyre not configured properly Evidlo
03:42 < pingfloyd> Evidlo: because pulseaudio sucks
03:42 < SAilorR> the media applications
03:44 < ziggylazer> BerenErchamion, there are lots of fun ways you can learn. There are some sites that have levels I think. They try to make some of this a little more fun to learn.
03:44 < ziggylazer> you can you google to search for more
03:44 < Evidlo> u sucks
03:44 < SAilorR> ziggylazer LEVELS?
03:44 < pingfloyd> who is u?
03:45 < Evidlo> u
03:45 < Evidlo> u r u
03:45 < jim> Please spell out u as you... it would help folks who are here and are new english speakers, some don't hear u as a rhyme for you
03:46 < pingfloyd> do teachers these days accept 'u'?
03:46 < epicmetal> Wow, #nixos channel more popular than #fedora now
03:46 < learningc> Having issue with systemd. How can I check if my service has started?
03:46 < pingfloyd> epicmetal: nobody cares about fedora or redhat anymore
03:47 < ayecee> how did you start your service?
03:47 < ayecee> systemctl service status, i think
03:47 < ldlework> epicmetal: have you tried it
03:47 < epicmetal> ldlework: not yet
03:47 < epicmetal> pingfloyd: I doubt that!
03:47 < ayecee> nope, systemctl status service
03:47 < ldlework> epicmetal: it is hard to learn at first, but once it clicks it is really nice
03:47 < Elodin> does somebody use ranger/rxvt around with devicons?
03:47 < ziggylazer> SAilorR, https://linuxjourney.com/
03:48 < epicmetal> ldlework: what do you use it for?
03:48 < micros> anyone have a colorado travan 3 tape drive ?
03:48 < ldlework> epicmetal: my personal dev laptop and my servers, for example my znc bouncer
03:48 < epicmetal> ldlework: nice. I'd be using it on a couple of laptops
03:48 < ayecee> micros: one way to find out is to ask a question about the colorado travan 3 tape drive
03:48 < jim> BerenErchamion, did you say you're running linux now?
03:48 < ldlework> epicmetal: i thought it was going to be something completely different to what i was used to with linux
03:49 < BerenErchamion> yes jim
03:49 < ldlework> epicmetal: but turns out it is normal linux with a bad-ass configuration/package system
03:49 < ldlework> all my normal linux programs and dotfiles worked as normal
03:49 < BerenErchamion> I'm running two computers both with Linux Mint running on them
03:49 < jim> which distribution did you install?
03:49 < ldlework> but now my system configuration can go into git
03:49 < epicmetal> ldlework: yeah it looks really interesting
03:49 < jim> oh, mint
03:49 < BerenErchamion> this computer now is running Linux Mint 17.2 Rafaela Cinnamon 64 bit
03:49 < jim> ok
03:50 < st_prg> Hi all, I have a bash script that requires input from the user. However, I want to provide them a command in the way of "curl script | bash" to be able to run it. This redirects stdin of bash to the output of the curl command. Is there any way to reset this stdin to the "normal" std input stream inside bash?
03:50 < chirrups> I have 64 mixed size hard drives all addressible in a storage shelf connected to a system running centos 7. I need to format (Not zero, just wiping the partition table would be fine) I've looked around a lot and I just seriously can't get a good idea the best way to do it.
03:50 < BerenErchamion> The other computer has Windows installed on it, but I'm running a Linux Mint Live CD with 18.3
03:50 < triceratux> pingfloyd: the dedoimedo guy went off on f28: "This is a failing distro, like so many others released recently. No validation, no care, nothing. Just random code. A lackluster showing with no pride or passion or quality. A steady decline since version 25, and I'm 100% sure this is all the result of the carefree approach to software development, the rapid release mania and the total disregard to validation and user needs.
03:50 < triceratux> This one is a total flop." https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-28-kde.html
03:50 < BerenErchamion> Sylvia Cinnamon 64bit
03:51 < BerenErchamion> sorry, jim
03:51 < jim> chirrups, do you want to write a new partition table to them?
03:51 < ziggylazer> BerenErchamion, https://linuxjourney.com/
03:51 < BerenErchamion> forgot to tag your name onto my message jim
03:51 < chirrups> @jim I plan on putting them into a lvm
03:51 < chirrups> Some are SSD's some are stuff
03:51 < jim> BerenErchamion, I'm forgetting that too
03:51 < chirrups> I'm trying to build a mod pdge jbod
03:52 < chirrups> I can't prepare the disks until they're raw
03:52 < chirrups> I want to play around with fancy things like NVME caching eventually, but I straight up just can't figure out a way to consistantly clear all of them
03:53 < epicmetal> triceratux: inb4 Red Hat testbed distro
03:53 < chirrups> Some have prior whatever partitions, some were part of a raid array.
03:53 < chirrups> Even if I have to build some sort of CSV, I'm cool with it; I just can't figure it out. I'm half debating putting powershell on it
03:56 < BerenErchamion> My name is too long
03:56 < learningc> ayecee, thanks
03:56 < Nexilva> triceratux: I hate debian on laptop.
03:57 < Nexilva> triceratux: I think I might get Bodhi linux again, and try Xmonad there.
03:57 < Nexilva> I just regular laptop distro and with xmonad, not some goofy wm/de
03:57 < Nexilva> Why is laptop linux such a disaster?
03:57 < ziggylazer> BerenErchamion, you use tab to autocomplete on many irc clients but more important in linux CLI
03:58 < akk> What's a disaster about it? I have some things that don't work, but I see Windows people with similar problems.
03:58 < triceratux> Nexilva: cause noone will put in a distro a day like you until one works
03:58 < chirrups> @nexilva because microsoft pays OEM's
03:58 < BerenErchamion> yeah, I got ChatZilla so tab complete works for me
03:59 < ziggylazer> You will find it handy when using the terminal in linux. Spend time with it and you will see fast improvements
03:59 < epicmetal> Nexilva: more freedom, more problems
03:59 < epicmetal> ;)
04:00 < Nexilva> I thought it was more money == more problems
04:01 < Nexilva> I guess linux is like money. Evil! :D
04:01 < chirrups> Like I don't get it. There's tons of stuff like this https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-disk-scrubbing-program-for-cloud/
04:01 < Nexilva> triceratux: I spent all day on debian, configuring everything and after all this time, half the stuff doesn't work.
04:01 < chirrups> But no way to just drop the partition table
04:01 < epicmetal> Nexilva: there's always Windows 10
04:01 < Nexilva> epicmetal: DIAF!
04:01 < Nexilva> :D
04:01 < chirrups> Like these drives are all rescues and used
04:01 < epicmetal> Nexilva: you know you want to
04:01 < Nexilva> I do not.
04:02 < chirrups> I don't want to zero them
04:02 < chirrups> The initialization for LVM will be enough strain on them
04:02 < triceratux> Nexilva: you should write a detailed blog while yer memorys fresh
04:02 < Nexilva> About whaat?
04:03 < Nexilva> What would I write about?
04:03 < triceratux> Nexilva: what a disaster debian is on notebooks
04:03 < Nexilva> Everyone knows debian is a pita, too manual, too minimal, that's why ubuntu is more desktoppy
04:03 < epicmetal> Nexilva: for an ex-DD, you sure do pay out on Debian a lot
04:03 < Nexilva> I just want a standard full fledged pre configurd linux distro, where everything just works, plus Xmonad
04:03 < Nexilva> That's not so much to ask is it?
04:03 < Nexilva> :(
04:04 < Nexilva> I wouldn't use anything but debian on my desktop.
04:04 < Nexilva> Laptop is just a pain.
04:04 < rcf> Nexilva: everyone else would want the pre-installed configuration to be different from yours.
04:04 < Nexilva> I HATE laptops.
04:04 < dogbert2> Debian 9.x
04:04 < Nexilva> I absolutely hate laptops.
04:04 < Nexilva> Laptops are the evil of the computer world, especially linux.
04:04 < g-> my system76 laptop w0rks great :)
04:04 < kenrin> no issues on my thinkpad
04:05 < epicmetal> You basically want Lenovo ThinkPad or Dell XPS
04:05 < triceratux> linux runs on hardware that wasnt designed for it, & wireless makes that totally clear
04:05 < Nexilva> rcf: sure, but standard tings like the laptops functionality and power saving and sound and all that should just work.
04:05 < epicmetal> (for those of us to whom System76 doesn't sell)
04:06 < mundus> I'm piping find into parallel and it seems that both of them are quoting the spaces in my input
04:06 < mundus> eg https://i.imgur.com/ShWdcGy.png
04:06 < triceratux> Nexilva: all i can say is ive done the tour & i stick largely to the clueful xfce distros http://pastebin.centos.org/933786/raw/
04:06 < triceratux> xubuntu lts clones et al
04:07 < Nexilva> Yeah, I just have a problem using the dang touchpads and mice. I like Xmonad and tiling wm with full keyboard use.
04:07 < Nexilva> I don't like taking my fingers off the keyboard. If I have to, it annoys the living bejeesus out ofme.
04:07 < Nexilva> I hate mice/touchpads, or anything other than keyboard.
04:08 < g-> they probably make a salve for that
04:08 < Nexilva> Problem i, when you install everything, and get it working, then you load Xmonad, nothing else works, it's so minimal.
04:09 < Nexilva> Xmonad screws up everything in KDE session too, even with xmonad-contrib modules.
04:09 < rcf> g-: I feel like that would make the touchepad worse, but maybe you can recommend a specific formulation.
04:09 < triceratux> well you strip out all that x11 stuff & dont be surprised if the pointers stop working. & theres still the challenge of piecing together the power management by hand
04:09 < Nexilva> On desktop I don' tneed power saving ro fn keys or anything like that, like brightness or power savings
04:09 < Nexilva> exactly.
04:09 < BerenErchamion> jim I just realized that the text editor in my Pavilion PC running the Linux Mint Live CD is different from the one on this computer which has Linux Mint 17.2 fully installed on it
04:10 < jim> BerenErchamion, take a look at this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_173586791&feature=iv&src_vid=q7-aEspwwEI&v=x73WTEltyHU (and she shows a fairly destructive rm command, don't type it)
04:10 < BerenErchamion> I've been installing all the updates on this computer, so it has a lot more functionality with respect to applications here
04:11 < rcf> Nexilva: if the problem is that everything *stops* working, rather than that it *doesn't*, the issue really is that you want something completely different from the typical user, and distributions aren't really going to cater to it.
04:11 < Nexilva> Linux Mint is by far the best laptop distro I have come across thus far, everything just works. Everything! All the hardware and Fn keys and power settings and just everything. Problem arises when I install Xmonad under it.
04:11 < jim> it's a very basic intro to bash
04:11 < epicmetal> Xmonad isn't exactly a "just works" environment
04:12 < rcf> I don't think it's supposed to be.
04:12 < epicmetal> My point
04:12 < Nexilva> I'm also going to grab Mint XFCE 19
04:12 < BerenErchamion> so, this computer has gedit 2.30 but the Linux Live CD has the xed 1.6.3 Text Editor natively installed
04:13 < BerenErchamion> Oh, thank God, we finally found  a Nixie Pixel YouTube video to help me here
04:14 < jim> they're very short videos, they don't have much but she seems to explain things in a way that you'll remember and understand
04:15 < BerenErchamion> Nixie Pixel is awesome.  She's the one who convinced me to try Linux Mint
04:15 < BerenErchamion> and she's funny
04:16 < jim> yep
04:16 < BerenErchamion> I love Nixie Pixel, for sure
04:18 < f00lest> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/ZiwbraENBj2W4T0Bk~Csmg
04:18 < f00lest> ^^^ above code works as expected when done './a.out | cat'
04:18 < f00lest> but it fails when just './a.out
04:19 < f00lest> code makes a child process a session leader, which should remove the controlling tty
04:20 < f00lest> but test fails
04:21 < f00lest> BerenErchamion, seems like you are in love :p
04:21 < Psi-Jack> Evidlo: incorrect. That can be fixed.
04:22 < BerenErchamion> oh yeah, f00lest
04:23 < f00lest> may be you should get married to her
04:23 < f00lest> :p
04:23 < BerenErchamion> She's the Queen of Linux
04:25 < strive> Open source software that reads .epub files?
04:25 < f00lest> BerenErchamion, I can't say anything else about that, do you C?
04:26 < f00lest> strive, wait a sec, I use one
04:26 < BerenErchamion> I just found out about UC Browser from Nixie Pixel for Android
04:26 < strive> f00lest: Thanks.
04:26 < f00lest> BerenErchamion, you will give me a headache about this woman
04:27 < f00lest> strive, you need it for some script or just a normal application
04:27 < strive> I have some epub files I'd like to read.
04:27 < f00lest> what distro?
04:27 < strive> Arch
04:28 < [R]> omg, my laptop is limping along
04:28 < f00lest> calibre is the name strive
04:28 < learningc> When a service is started in systemd, how can I show the output in console?
04:28 < strive> Poifect.
04:28 < [R]> learningc: in what console?
04:28 < strive> learningc: systemctl status blah
04:29 < f00lest> https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/calibre/
04:30 < f00lest> strive, what desktop env?
04:30 < strive> Thanks again f00lest. i3 currently, but I do have Deepin installed.
04:31 < f00lest> I should really sub all my what s with which s
04:31 < strive> I use a DE for gaming.
04:31 < strive> i3 for terminal workflow.
04:31 < f00lest> i3 looks cool
04:31 < strive> I love it.
04:32 < strive> Very minimal.
04:32 < f00lest> I use mate on fedora
04:33 < esselfe> ]
04:33 < strive> I was hooked on MATE for a while.
04:34 < f00lest> yeah mate is good enough
04:34 < learningc> [R], terminal
04:35 < strive> f00lest: If you perform a lot of tasks in terminals then I totally recommend i3wm.
04:36 < [R]> learningc: what "the output"
04:39 < learningc> [R], output of my executable file, something like cat myfile
04:39 < [R]> huh?
04:39 < BerenErchamion> jim I installed gedit onto the PC running the Linux Live CD and I opened the user.cfg file with that Text Editor, but what do I do next to change the command line?
04:40 < [R]> learningc: if you want to see the output of your program, run it manually
04:41 < learningc> I have an issue with systemd, when started from boot I get : no such file or directory.  But when I start manually, it works fine. Any reason why?
04:42 < ayecee> how are you starting it from boot
04:42 < ayecee> also what is the rest of the error message
04:42 < [R]> how do you "get" that
04:43 < learningc> That's the error: Jul 04 12:11:07 telechips-tcc8971-lcn-2.0a mem.sh[1678]: /usr/bin/mem.sh: line 3: /home/root/memtester: No such file or directory
04:44 < [R]> and that file exists?
04:44 < ayecee> does /home/root/memtester exist?
04:44 < BerenErchamion> jim I just need to change the command line cycle_brake to "cycle_brake-1" but I'm not sure how to do it
04:44 < luke-jr> I would guess whatever user is executing doesn't have +x on /home/root
04:45 < luke-jr> (if it exists)
04:45 < Psi-Jack> And why is there a /home/root? :P
04:46 < ayecee> no, no, no, nothing about this is adding up
04:46 < gkwhc> hey guys, ive previously installed a gtk icon theme to a machine and i'd  to use it for another machine. is there a cached zip somewhere or can i package up the theme again? the original download links are not working anymore
04:46 < [R]> ayecee: is it subtracting down?
04:46 < ayecee> it very well may be, if we're not careful
04:47 < [R]> gkwhc: the files are in /usr/share or your home dir somewhere... just copy them
04:49 < gkwhc> [R]: oh sweet, thanks!
04:49 < learningc> [R], yes, the file exists at that location
04:49 < [R]> learningc: pastebin /proc/mounts
04:50 < learningc> https://pastebin.com/T8enzEk2
04:50 < Psi-Jack> learningc: pastebin.com is frowned upon due to many issues they themselves have caused. Pastes being reformatted, malvertising, adblock blocking, being blocked due to many reasons. See /topic for the channel's official pastebin.
04:51 < [R]> learningc: /home/root is a mount point
04:51 < [R]> your service file doesn't say you need /home/root
04:51 < [R]> so its being run before /home/root is mounted
04:51 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm. OKay.. Decided to take a tiny peak at NixOS just for curiosity. :)
04:52 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: thats a good idea. solus is evil ;)
04:52 < learningc> [R], So how can I resolve this?
04:52 < [R]> well if your service file doesnt say you need /home/root
04:52 < Psi-Jack> Nah, Solus is great, I'll continue to use Solus.
04:53 < [R]> id say putting that as a dependncency might be a good start...
04:53 < [R]> Psi-Jack: i thought you and arcc were BFFs
04:53 < Psi-Jack> [R]: Never.
04:53 < learningc> Psi-Jack, alternative to pastebin.com?
04:53 < Psi-Jack> learningc: /topic has one.
04:53  * c0ffee152 just sticks raw/ after pastebin.com/   *shrug*
04:53 < [R]> May 21 21:45:24 <Psi-Jack> I mean. I don't use Arch because I like its minimal installer. I use Arch... Because I /want/ to.
04:54 < [R]> c0ffee152: you like it "raw"...?
04:54 < Psi-Jack> [R]: I never said I liked it. :p
04:54 < [R]> Psi-Jack: haha
04:54 < Psi-Jack> There's a difference. heh
04:55 < Psi-Jack> Nah, if I have any thoughts for NixOS, it'd be for potential server usage at most.
04:56 < learningc> [R], How can I put /home/root as dependancy?
04:56 < Psi-Jack> At first glance... Though. Their "live" environment has ... GParted, Konsole, and the NixOS Manual. That's... it.
04:56 < [R]> learningc: well if you're trying to write a service file and you dont know waht you are doing... i'd suggest reading the documentation
04:56 < [R]> Psi-Jack: what more does one need?
04:56 < Psi-Jack> learningc: Why do you even /have/ a /home/root? ;p
04:56 < Psi-Jack> [R]: Well, this is a KDE environment. With that being everything. Not even an installer GUI. :)
04:57 < [R]> installer guis are for sissies
04:57 < epicmetal> Psi-Jack: but you liked Arch's minimal installer :)
04:57 < Psi-Jack> It's got Firefox and Dolphin as wel. heh
04:57 < Psi-Jack> epicmetal: No, No I did not.
04:57 < epicmetal> Oh yeah
04:57  * epicmetal can't read
04:57  * Psi-Jack holds on his hand and places epicmetal between his fingers. "I am squishing you!"
04:58 < c0ffee152> I could have sworn Psi-Jack was all over OpenSUSE then Arch and now Solus.
04:58 < epicmetal> Wat
04:58 < learningc> Psi-Jack, It's a user partition mount point
04:58 < epicmetal> #metoo
04:58 < Psi-Jack> c0ffee152: openSUSE I tried for a bit again, with LEAP 42. It still doesn't make the cut. ;)
04:58 < Psi-Jack> learningc: root isn't a user.
04:58 < swift110> Psi-Jack, how did you like Solus?
04:58 < c0ffee152> Ah.
04:59 < Psi-Jack> swift110: I still run it. I'm building packages for Solus and supporting Solus by monthly donations.
04:59 < Psi-Jack> That's how much I like Solus. :)
05:00 < Psi-Jack> I even went so far as to find an issue specific to NetworkManager, make a patch, submit it upstream, and get NetworkManager to accept said patch, and included that in updated packages I made for Solus. ;)
05:01 < swift110> Psi-Jack, that's awesome! I installed it onto my Lenovo t420 back in fall of 2016 and it's been great ever since.
05:01 < Psi-Jack> Hehe
05:01 < swift110> Now I am considering using it on my PC
05:01 < Psi-Jack> Yep yep. Literally one of the best distro's I've used in ~10 years.
05:01 < Psi-Jack> swift110: I literally installed it to my laptop, desktop, workstation, work laptop, within days of trying it out.
05:02 < swift110>  I love the fact that it's something unique and not just something based on Ubuntu or Arch
05:02 < [R]> is it the bees kneees?
05:02 < Psi-Jack> It is very much the bees knees.
05:03 < Psi-Jack> And not much yak shaving to get things done, either.
05:03 < epicmetal> Psi-Jack: besides the fact that the package manager crashed the GUI on update, I had an issue with the way Budgie didn't always group windows for an application under a single icon
05:03 < epicmetal> But besides that it was nice, IIRC
05:03 < Psi-Jack> epicmetal: I have yet to see Budgie not group windows together.
05:04 < epicmetal> This was maybe 6 months ago
05:04 < epicmetal> Maybe it's fixed
05:04 < Psi-Jack> And yes, solus-sc isn't perfect, but solus-sc is being re-built for Solus 4 with much better designs.
05:04 < epicmetal> What's solus-sc
05:04 < Psi-Jack> The Solus Software Center.
05:04 < epicmetal> I wasn't using that
05:04 < Psi-Jack> No?
05:04 < epicmetal> I think I used the native commandline package manager
05:04 < swift110> yes it is the bees knees for sure. Once, I spoke to Ikey himself about a package and while we were talking he made it.
05:05 < c0ffee152> I tried Solus for a bit of time.  eopkg not having a native Chromium package was disconcerning.
05:05 < Psi-Jack> epicmetal: eopkg? I've never had an issue with eopkg, but eopkg is being rebuilt in C as "sol".
05:05 < epicmetal> Yeah I think eopkg
05:05 < Psi-Jack> c0ffee152: Well, that we can blame Chrome for.
05:05 < epicmetal> The whole GUI just died and I wasn't sure if it broke the system
05:05 < swift110> lol c0ffee152
05:05 < epicmetal> I can't remember what happened after that
05:05 < Psi-Jack> c0ffee152: Google's licensing on Chrome itself is part of the problem, but that said, in the Solus-SC, there is Chrome in the 3rd party apps.
05:06 < epicmetal> I may have had issues with it booting properly but yeah, it has been too long
05:07 < Psi-Jack> Yeah. I've yet to have any issues at all with Solus, besides things I could easily fix, Packages that didn't exist that I wanted. I learned within 2 days how to make packages and within a week, I was submitting packages to Solus. :)
05:07 < Toadisattva> is there arm release for solus?
05:07 < Psi-Jack> Toadisattva: No.
05:07 < Toadisattva> that might could be perfect to throw on the old chromebook
05:07 < Toadisattva> oh boo
05:07 < Toadisattva> any plans for an arm release in the future?
05:07 < Psi-Jack> Not likely.
05:08 < Toadisattva> well shoot I'll just have ot put it on a real computer lol
05:08 < Psi-Jack> Indeed. :)
05:08 < nodlc> you got some sh4a's ?
05:10 < nodlc> lennox support
05:11 < Psi-Jack> nodlc: Perhaps... English might be suggested one to use to communicate proper.
05:11 < nodlc> sry
05:12 < epicmetal> Hmm, maybe I will try Solus again if this Debian stint ends. Projected distrohop trajectory: Debian -> Solus -> NixOS -> Arch
05:12 < Psi-Jack> Standard English for sure. "sry" is incorrect.
05:12 < nodlc> k
05:12 < Psi-Jack> epicmetal: Well, so far my NixOS evaluation is not going well at all.
05:12 < swift110> why Psi-Jack
05:12 < Psi-Jack> It's already crashed the live environment in a VM, just trying to load firefox to view the manual. LOL
05:13 < epicmetal> What hypervisor?
05:13 < Psi-Jack> kvm of course.
05:18 < Psi-Jack> Sheash... It finally minimized the browser.....
05:24 < ayecee> sheesh*
05:25 < cluelessperson> Psi-Jack: you're still alive, yay
05:25 < cluelessperson> (not sarcasm)
05:26 < Psi-Jack> Nay. I am undead.
05:27 < oerheks> Did you loose your logoff password again?
05:27 < Psi-Jack> There's... a logoff password?
05:27 < Psi-Jack> All this time....
05:30 < oerheks> hmmm, ask in #freenode?
05:32 < cluelessperson> Psi-Jack: oerheks
05:32 < cluelessperson> 20:32   cluelessperson | I was told I need a logoff password to log out of freenode?
05:33 < nodlc> tell me ur password
05:33 < Psi-Jack> nodlc: "your", again, Standard English, please.
05:33 < swift110> lol
05:38 < oerheks> so .. you never used that 10 letter password, just pulled the ethernet cable?
05:40 < deego> During gaming, do you guys rest your left hand one key to the left, so that WASD avoids the pinky?
05:42 < [R]> who has time for rest during gaming?
05:42 < nodlc> what is lennox #won game?
05:42 < deego> haha, s/rest/position
05:42 < Toadisattva> pinky sits on the shift key thumb on the spacebar
05:43 < ldlework> deego: of course
05:45 < deego> thanks. i need to learn to do that. my hand keeps getting confused, cos no ridge on f..
05:45 < deego> atm, i map everything to esdf (well, its dvorak equivalent..)
05:45 < Toadisattva> mouse exists outside the space time continuum as my pwnage defies the laws of physics :P
05:51 < Pretheist> deego, I have never done that. I use my pinky, just as everyone should.
05:51 < nodlc> you high score playing nmap?
05:51 < deego> eww
05:51 < Pretheist> You already built all of your muscular habits around your pinky being on the a key--why would you break it?
05:51 < SAilorR> is setting a sticky bit mandatory if you dont want your directory deleted ?
05:51 < SAilorR> or do some distros do this automatically
05:52 < ayecee> wat
05:52 < ayecee> a cryptic question
05:53 < ayecee> defies a yes/no answer
05:53 < deego> SAilorR: i don't understand your q. can you explain?
05:53 < ayecee> the only reasonable response is
05:53 < ayecee> wat
05:57 < deego> SAilorR: ah, i think i get your q. I think you only use sticky bits for things like /tmp, and that's the way your distro already sets it up.
05:58 < deego> You typically don't need to do that for files in /home/sailor/dir/ because dir/ is o-x anyway,  so others can't delete files in there in the first place
05:58 < ayecee> more likely o-w
05:58 < deego> (unless you made the dir a+x or something)
05:58 < ayecee> home directory would normally be o+x
05:59 < deego> ayecee: it's x, not w for deleting files it dirs.
05:59 < deego> in*
05:59 < ayecee> no, it's not
05:59 < ayecee> it's w
06:00 < [R]> en guarde
06:01 < localhorse> when i try umount on my external drive, i always get "target is busy"
06:01 < [R]> localhorse: so stop using it
06:02 < localhorse> when i use fuser to find out which process uses it, it shows /usr/sbin/mount.ntfs
06:02 < localhorse> [R]: i am not using it!!
06:02 < [R]> apparently you are...
06:02 < localhorse> no
06:02 < localhorse> the mount.ntfs binary is using it
06:03 < localhorse>  /usr/sbin/mount.ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/Elements -o rw
06:03 < localhorse> thats the process thats using it
06:03 < localhorse> how can i unmount that?
06:03 < deego> ayecee: ok, debian stable must be misconfigured. feel free to submit a patch.
06:04 < TR2990X> any one knows of a cheap alternative for browserstack?
06:04 < localhorse> [R]: if i `shutdown -h now` can it leave the disk in a bad state?
06:05 < localhorse> like unplugging it without unmounting?
06:05 < [R]> it'll get unmounted if it can
06:05 < localhorse> [R]: and do you know a way to manually unmount it to be sure
06:05 < ayecee> deego: it's not.
06:05 < [R]> you just tried to unount it
06:05 < [R]> and it failed...
06:05 < localhorse> [R]: but why?
06:05 < [R]> why what
06:05 < rcf> localhorse: maybe fusermount -u, if it's ntfs-3g?
06:06 < localhorse> [R]: why did it fail to unmont
06:06 < localhorse> rcf: the disk is ntfs
06:06 < [R]> because you're using it
06:06 < localhorse> [R]: i am not!
06:06 < [R]> [09:02:13] <[R]> apparently you are...
06:06 < ayecee> deego: it could be you changed it to stop people from deleting stuff in your directory.
06:06 < localhorse> rcf: how do you mean? what should be the full command?
06:06 < deego> ayecee: yeah, that was a polite way of saying you don't know waht you are talking about
06:06 < nodlc> can you remount with ro
06:06 < deego> anyway, i'm done with this
06:06 < ayecee> deego: so was that.
06:07 < ziggylazer> deego, just dont even try
06:07 < localhorse> rcf: i also get "failed to unmount, device or resource busy"
06:08 < rcf> localhorse: ntfs-3g is the typical implementation for read/write mounting on Linux. The kernel driver (at least whenever I tried to use it) wasn't particularly good with rw mounts.
06:08 < localhorse> rcf: so what should i do?
06:08 < [R]> localhorse: cry?
06:08 < localhorse> [R]: no
06:08 < [R]> it'll make you feel better...
06:09 < localhorse> [R]: no
06:09 < ayecee> localhorse: fuser -vm /mountpoint will tell you what is using it
06:09 < [R]> sure?
06:09 < ayecee> as root
06:10 < localhorse> ayecee: yes, that's what i used. like i said, it is used by the /usr/sbin/mount.ntfs process
06:10 < ayecee> ah, i missed that
06:10 < localhorse> the full command is /usr/sbin/mount.ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/Elements -o rw
06:10 < localhorse> that's what it's used by
06:10 < ayecee> that's unusual
06:10 < ziggylazer> ayecee, what? did you miss something?
06:11 < ayecee> ziggylazer: it may be hard for you to believe, but i am human
06:11 < ziggylazer> ayecee, excellent display of  behaviour today
06:11 < ayecee> still buttsore eh
06:12 < rcf> localhorse: that's.... not necessarily a good sign, and a reboot is probably the only way to get it to attempt to unmount gracefully.
06:12 < jim> you're humin cause you forgot the words?
06:12 < ziggylazer> Just keep "helping". You seem calm and collected today.
06:13 < ayecee> ziggylazer: it's going to go a lot better for you if you get over it.
06:13 < localhorse> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/XmQTLtoS/irccloudcapture-1410999056.jpg
06:13 < localhorse> rcf, ayecee: ^
06:13 < ayecee> localhorse: the mountpoint you're trying to unmount is /mnt/Elements, yes?
06:14 < localhorse> yes
06:14  * zapotah detects an error in the machine subroutine
06:14 < ziggylazer> ayecee, define a lot better
06:14 < zapotah> needs correcting i see
06:14 < localhorse> i dont want to leave the disk in a bad state
06:14 < zapotah> not enough inhuman
06:14 < localhorse> ayecee: any idea?
06:14 < ayecee> localhorse: reboot, i guess.
06:14 < ayecee> ziggylazer: no.
06:14 < localhorse> rcf: whats the most graceful way to shut down?
06:15 < localhorse> so that it unmounts
06:15 < ziggylazer> The old hors head in the bed?
06:15 < ayecee> localhorse: at this point there doesn't seem to be a way.
06:15 < ayecee> gonna have to "sync" and hit the power.
06:16 < ziggylazer> Last thing I wrote to you was "Lets burry the hatchet". But you did not seem interested in that and then I see you keep going after people here.
06:16 < ayecee> ziggylazer: i am also not always at the keyboard
06:16 < ayecee> though it seems like i am.
06:16 < localhorse> rcf, ayecee: `shutdown -h now`?
06:16 < ayecee> localhorse: worth a try.
06:16 < localhorse> is that graceful?
06:16 < ayecee> yes
06:16 < localhorse> will it try to unmount?
06:16 < nodlc> you can kill pid 3180 ?
06:16 < ayecee> it will try to unmount
06:17 < ayecee> i guess you could also try to kill that mount process.
06:17 < localhorse> ayecee: ok. and whats the worst that can happen if unmounting fails?
06:17 < ayecee> the worst thing likely to happen is that you lose some writes that were happening at the moment of shutdown.
06:17 < localhorse> if i kill the mount process, could that corrupt the disk?
06:17 < ayecee> and there's probably not any of those.
06:17 < ayecee> really don't know. kind of uncharted territory for me.
06:18 < localhorse> there shouldnt even be any writes happening anymore
06:18 < c0ffee152> Looks like that mount process is called when trying to unmount but it hung because of hardware issues.
06:18 < ayecee> it doesn't look hung, it's not in D state
06:18 < localhorse> c0ffee152: you mean my disk is broken?
06:18 < c0ffee152> No.
06:18 < localhorse> c0ffee152: what hw issues then?
06:19 < c0ffee152> But ayecee does have a point about the state not being D.
06:19 < localhorse> in fuser -vm?
06:19 < ayecee> in ps aux
06:19 < localhorse> ah
06:19 < ayecee> oh wait
06:19 < ayecee> fuser -vm /mnt/Elements
06:20 < ayecee> should be run against the mountpoint, not the device.
06:20 < localhorse> that is the mount point, no?
06:20 < ayecee> the device is the device
06:20 < ayecee> /mnt/Elements is the mount point
06:20 < localhorse> the device is /dev/sdc1
06:20 < localhorse> yea
06:20 < quint> Is there any way to create a virtual dvd drive, to which I can use software like growisofs or wodim to test writing? I'm experimenting with image formats.
06:20 < ayecee> your fuser command has /dev/sdc1 in it.
06:21 < localhorse> so why did you say "should"? is IS ran against the mount point
06:21 < ayecee> it should have /mnt/Elements
06:21 < ayecee> i say "should" because it wasn't ran against the mount point.
06:21 < localhorse> ayecee: ah right
06:21 < localhorse> that one doesn't list a process
06:21 < localhorse> just kernel mount
06:22 < ayecee> huh. well, so much for that.
06:22 < localhorse> anything else i should try? :)
06:22 < ayecee> shutdown -h now :)
06:22 < nodlc> quint: /dev/loopN
06:23 < localhorse> done
06:23 < quint> nodlc: so, losetup?
06:23 < localhorse> good night
06:24 < localhorse> ayecee: btw, any way i can check if the disk had issues with not being unmounted just now?
06:24 < nodlc> if ye must
06:24 < ayecee> localhorse: could use ntfsfix to scan it for errors, but checking it in windows is going to check more things
06:30 < quint> nodlc: using growisofs against a loopback file at the correct size:
06:30 < quint> growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/loop0=file.iso
06:30 < quint> :-( unable to INQUIRY: Invalid argument
06:30 < quint> I assume there needs to be some kind of a response from a driver
06:30 < quint> Perhaps an emulator is necessary
06:31 < ayecee> does growisofs expect to be talking to a dvd drive?
06:31 < rcf> quint: yeah, if they don't implement the proper SCSI commands, writing software won't work.
06:31 < ayecee> wouldn't think so based on the name
06:31 < ayecee> ah, normal block devices don't have "sessions"
06:31 < rcf> ayecee: yes, because eventually it turned into a disc writing tool.
06:32 < quint> I'll just have to dig up my drive and possibly waste a disc
06:32 < quint> All 50 cents!
06:32 < ayecee> could use mkisofs instead for most of this
06:33 < ayecee> ah, but if what you're testing involves sessions, maybe not.
06:33 < ayecee> i see a command in the manpage, growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.iso
06:33 < ayecee> try that
06:33 < quint> Yeah, once I put my drive in
06:33 < rcf> ayecee: ultimately nothing would be able to write a disc image to a loop device as if it were an actual disc because of the optical-specific commands necessary.
06:34 < ayecee> ah right. that's to write the iso to the dvd.
06:34 < quint> I'm basically just trying to truncate a larger image file beyond the iso9660 fs
06:34 < quint> and write additional data outside it
06:35 < quint> Just wanted to see if the software would obey the iso9660 header and stop at the end of the fs
06:36 < quint> Steganography fun
06:36 < nodlc> not sounding fun
06:36 < rcf> quint: if it's a public image, or easily created, I've got plenty of DVDs I'm probably not going to use.
06:41 < quint> rcf: that'd be neato
06:42 < quint> If you don't mind
06:42 < quint> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso
06:42 < [R]> neato torpedo
06:43 < nodlc> holy gaucomole
06:44 < quint> rcf: I'll link you a 50MiB image to concatenate onto the end of that, then we'll see if we can loopback mount it at the offset
06:44 < quint> well, if you can that is.
06:44 < zapotah> would need to be added to grup
06:45 < zapotah> grub*
06:45 < rcf> quint: if that's what you're doing I'll just tack on some extra data and see if it reads back.
06:45 < zapotah> so concat would be useless
06:45 < ayecee> why grub
06:45 < zapotah> or whateverthehell the first uses as loader
06:46 < ayecee> it's not being loaded though
06:46 < ayecee> it's extra data after the main image
06:46 < krzee> hey guys, i just installed debian on a new ssd that i put into an old server (replaced the old ssd) and now when i boot it just freezes. when i edit the grub command to have text instead of quiet i see that the last line before it hangs is: Freeing SMP alternatives memory.   does anybody have any ideas for me?
06:46 < zapotah> if you "flash" another supposedly disk image, you will also end up with a bunch of garbaged
06:46 < zapotah> krzee: define old
06:46 < notmike> Um no
06:47 < krzee> zapotah: 1 sec, getting bios version
06:47 < rcf> ayecee: from the steganography bit, I gather the intention is not to boot it at all.
06:47 < BerenErchamion> Does the latest version of FileZilla still have adware or malware, or did they clean it up since then?
06:47 < ayecee> nod
06:47 < zapotah> krzee: that doesnt tell much
06:47 < krzee> zapotah: want me to unrack and get the mobo model?
06:47 < zapotah> krzee: if possible
06:47 < ayecee> krzee: i think there's a "quiet" option to remove from the kernel boot options so it shows more of the boot messages.
06:47 < pingfloyd> BerenErchamion: does it matter if they cleaned up their act?
06:47 < krzee> zapotah: sure, 1min
06:48 < krzee> ayecee: i did, as mentioned in the OP
06:48 < zapotah> krzee: but removing quiet will give you something
06:48 < pingfloyd> BerenErchamion: isn't once enough?
06:48 < ayecee> i see
06:48 < ayecee> what shows up before that line?
06:48 < BerenErchamion> I was thinking of trying FileZilla, but if the new versions still have malware, then I'm not interested
06:48 < zapotah> krzee: usually if it fails altogether, its a memory or PSU problem (or in rare cases cpu problem)
06:48 < krzee> 1min unracking for zapotah
06:48 < masber> hi
06:48 < zapotah> krzee: but thats reaching it
06:49 < zapotah> having an idea of the hardwares age can give more insight
06:49 < masber> for some reason my linux machine get frozen when I do df -h or ls my mount folder
06:49 < krzee> zapotah: nah it works with the old ssd, i just dont want to erase that disk yet
06:49 < masber> I had an external storage mounted there and I think the issue may be there
06:49 < masber> what can I do?
06:49 < ayecee> krzee: could also try "irqpoll" option
06:49 < zapotah> krzee: old ssd as in?
06:50 < ayecee> masber: easiest way is going to reboot
06:50 < zapotah> krzee: details mate
06:50 < krzee> zapotah: i replaced the ssd with a new one
06:50 < zapotah> give them
06:50 < zapotah> ._.
06:50 < zapotah> that tells exactly zero things
06:50 < krzee> then i installed debian on the new ssd and got this issue
06:50 < zapotah> ffs
06:50 < krzee> what details?
06:50 < ayecee> zapotah: it would be more helpful if you could indicate what you're looking for.
06:50 < zapotah> details
06:50 < krzee> you want ssd models?
06:50 < ayecee> zapotah: instead of getting pissy.
06:50 < zapotah> ayecee: i dont want to fish for information
06:51 < krzee> i still havent unracked cause you keep asking more things
06:51 < ayecee> then don't
06:51 < zapotah> ayecee: all yours
06:51 < krzee> you want me to unrack or keep answering new questions?
06:51 < quint> rcf: yeah I guess that'd be safer for you :p
06:51 < zapotah> krzee: i want you to do all of those things
06:51 < ayecee> krzee: he was fishing.
06:51 < zapotah> ayecee: no
06:52 < ayecee> zapotah: if you could describe why you're looking for what you're looking for, it would look less like fishing.
06:52 < zapotah> ayecee: i do not want to be fishing, i want the person im helping to be intelligent enough to know whats involved to be able to properly help them
06:52 < krzee> i dont need to know why
06:53 < ayecee> alright. have fun with zapotah's aimless and frustrated questioning.
06:53 < zapotah> ayecee: you want me to explain how x86 machines and the last 10 years of kernel updates and drivers to possibly work?
06:53 < zapotah> no
06:53 < krzee> i just didnt know what he meant by "details" since theres so much he could want lol, either way im unracking to get mobo details now
06:53 < ayecee> he doesn't know what he means either.
06:53 < zapotah> i do
06:53 < nodlc> filezill does support unanymous upload?
06:53 < zapotah> i want the details of the machine
06:53 < ayecee> "the details"
06:53 < zapotah> which involves cpu arch
06:53 < krzee> ayecee: i know zapotah knows his stuff, i dont mind, i will get him the details
06:53 < ayecee> cool.
06:54 < pingfloyd> krzee: which debian installer did you use?  how far into booting to do you get?
06:54 < zapotah> mobo chipset arch
06:54 < zapotah> possibly hba arch
06:54 < ayecee> power phase ram chip model cpu stepping
06:54 < zapotah> at the minimum
06:55 < zapotah> now, im sorry if this is not obvious to someone providing "possible boot issues" support
06:55 < zapotah> since the question _is_ vague
06:56 < zapotah> and all of these are key
06:56 < ayecee> "sorry"
06:56 < rcf> quint: and growisofs does indeed preserve extraneous crap catted onto the end of an ISO.
06:56 < quint> eeeee!
06:56 < quint> love it
06:56 < quint> thanks rcf
06:57 < rcf> quint: no problem, I only have one system with an optical drive these days and it probably feels neglected.
06:57 < zapotah> krzee: and i do remember you, just please, provide the necessary info
06:57 < zapotah> since otherwise its a wild goose-hunt at the worst
06:58 < zapotah> wasting everyones time
06:58 < krzee> ya its unracked im typing it out
06:58 < krzee> zapotah: its a supermicro x8sti-f with 6gb of ram
06:58 < krzee> i installed from the net installer debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst
06:59 < pingfloyd> is your bios set to use uefi or legacy?
06:59 < krzee> i7-950 cpu
06:59 < zapotah> krzee: thats a rather old setup
06:59 < zapotah> yeah
06:59 < krzee> pingfloyd: doesnt support uefi, too old
07:00 < zapotah> krzee: it runs non xeon?
07:00 < pingfloyd> how far into booting do you get?
07:00 < zapotah> thats news to me
07:00 < ayecee> pingfloyd: up to "freeing SMP alternatives"
07:00 < zapotah> krzee: so on older debian it boots?
07:01 < zapotah> krzee: how old?
07:01 < zapotah> krzee: and can you pinpoint the kernel somehow where it stops booting?
07:01 < krzee> the old ssd was centos7
07:01 < zapotah> since its intriguing that it boots at all with a non-xeon cpu
07:01 < zapotah> since it was never designed to do that
07:02 < zapotah> what kind of ram?
07:02 < krzee> kingston
07:02 < zapotah> thats the vendor :3
07:02 < krzee> 3 sticks, 2gb each
07:02 < krzee> kp223c
07:02 < zapotah> thats the amount :3
07:02 < ayecee> fish fish fish
07:03 < zapotah> mmhm
07:03 < zapotah> i hate it
07:03 < krzee> to me "what kind of ram" kingston would be the answer *shrug*
07:03 < zapotah> krzee: no, the vendor is always irrelevant
07:03 < kuze01> hey
07:03 < zapotah> krzee: it becomes relevant after its established your setup is sane or insane
07:03 < krzee> pc3 udimm
07:04 < pinPoint> win 2
07:04 < krzee> zapotah: the hw besides the drive has been in production for some years
07:04 < kuze01> can u guys help me out
07:04 < kuze01> ssh just stopped working on my pi
07:04 < kuze01> after months of working fine
07:04 < zapotah> krzee: yes, things tend to get wack after ten years
07:04 < ayecee> have you tried turning it off and on again
07:05 < zapotah> which is the age of your hw
07:05 < krzee> hahah touche
07:06 < zapotah> krzee: now, nothing else shouldve changed except the disk interface drivers (fundamentally)
07:06 < ayecee> krzee: right after that point in the boot would be where the acpi stuff happens, i think.
07:06 < quint> kuze01: are you able to connect it to a monitor and keyboard?
07:06 < ayecee> what's the option to disable acpi?
07:06 < zapotah> ayecee: ide emulation in bios
07:06 < zapotah> wait, acpi?
07:06 < ayecee> yes
07:06 < zapotah> i dont think you have that option
07:06 < zapotah> in most hardware
07:07 < zapotah> in recent hardware anyway...
07:07 < kuze01> i dont actually know how to turn off ssh
07:07 < ayecee> the option is "acpi=off"
07:07 < cmj> acpi=no
07:07 < cmj> or that
07:07 < zapotah> ah, kernel option
07:07 < kuze01> sudo service sshd restart?
07:07 < cmj> most hardware still uses acpi events.
07:08 < zapotah> i dont think even supermicro had it _that_ wrong back then though
07:08 < ayecee> could also try the "noapic" option to rule out more problems.
07:08 < zapotah> true
07:08 < ayecee> irqpoll would be worth a shot if neither of those change anything
07:08 < zapotah> but yeah, its a firmware problem for sure
07:08 < quint> kuze01: are you saying that you're not able to connect to the ssh server on your raspberry pi?
07:09 < pingfloyd> did you try updating the bios?
07:09 < zapotah> krzee: tried upgrading the firmware on the board and such?
07:09 < zapotah> just because thats what it really is smelling like
07:09 < krzee> zapotah: i did not
07:09 < zapotah> krzee: do it
07:10 < quint> kuze01: if that's the case, do you still have access to the terminal on the device itself (monitor, keyboard plugged in)? is your networking all in order?
07:10 < kuze01> correct quint, also I ran sudo ssh status and got "temporary issue in resolving hostname"
07:10 < pingfloyd> krzee: just don't screw it up
07:10 < kuze01> now i run ssh status, annnd it just hangs
07:10 < zapotah> and iirc thinking back, the X58 chipset had plenty of disk controller issues
07:10 < kuze01> I just restarted sshd and ssh
07:10 < zapotah> it did
07:11 < zapotah> i did a custom firmware patch and flash to an asus board
07:11 < quint> kuze01: are you able to reach the internet from the pi?
07:11 < kuze01> so...kinda
07:11 < quint> kuze01: or the lan even
07:11 < kuze01> lemme test something
07:11 < zapotah> editing bios binaries by hand
07:11 < kuze01> okay so the problem is
07:11 < zapotah> that was the bad shit
07:12 < kuze01> I have internet via Wi-Fi
07:12 < kuze01> but ethernet is down
07:12 < kuze01> and ssh is configured based on eth
07:12 < quint> kuze01: ah. well, there you go.
07:12 < zapotah> krzee: dont set openssh to listen on any interface
07:12 < zapotah> err
07:12 < zapotah> kuze01:
07:13 < kuze01> i don't think it is
07:13 < zapotah> see by ip l what is actually recognized by the kernel
07:13 < zapotah> if your interface is not recognized, then you need the firmware package
07:13 < taaperotassu> Is it a bad practice to put private ssh keys to server? I am just trying to find a way to get a passwordless login to my private bitbucket repos and make automatic pulls on cron.
07:13 < kuze01> i dont know what you're saying
07:14 < bropro> hey, i'm having some weird issue installing xfce. i've apt install xfce4 but it's not showing up as an option at my lock screen
07:14 < zapotah> taaperotassu: gotta love your nick :D
07:14 < zapotah> taaperotassu: i c what you did there
07:14 < taaperotassu> zapotah: Thanks u =)
07:15 < zapotah> kuze01: ip link will show what the kernel knows are on the system
07:15 < kuze01> im sry could someone plz help me troubleshoot the eth
07:15 < zapotah> kuze01: if your wired interface does not show there, youre missing drivers
07:15 < zapotah> if it does, your config is not referencing the interface correctly
07:15 < kuze01> ip link is showing me a IPV6 addr
07:15 < zapotah> ._.
07:16 < quint> kuze01: not the addresses, the devices are what you should concern yourself with in this case
07:16 < kuze01> oh i see
07:16 < bropro> should i uninstall xfce and then install xubuntu-desktop ?
07:17 < quint> kuze01: if your ssh config refers to the network interfaces instead of ip addresses, just tell it to use the wireless interface instead
07:17 < zapotah> your config shouldnt refer interfaces anyway
07:18 < quint> ^
07:18 < kuze01> hmm
07:19 < krzee> zapotah: i would need to install windows to update the bios, i dont have it in me
07:19 < zapotah> krzee: you should do it regardless since ill bet most of your problems will go away
07:19 < zapotah> figure it ou
07:19 < zapotah> out*
07:20 < kuze01> the only configs that seem to be set in ssh_config are
07:20 < kuze01> Host *
07:20 < kuze01> SendENV LANG LC_*, HashKnownHosts yes GSAAAPIAuth yes Delegatecreds no
07:20 < pingfloyd> bios updates tend to fix all sorts of intermittent and strange issues
07:20 < quint> kuze01: sshd_config is what you'll want to edit if you're not able to access the pi
07:21 < krzee> holy shit i mounted the box and started looking into the bios update... just came back and the screen is at the login prompt o.O
07:21 < krzee> so so weird
07:21 < pingfloyd> because sometimes a hardware problem is a firmware problem if you're lucky
07:21 < krzee> but i'll take it! im so hungry i cant wait to get out of here
07:21 < zapotah> krzee: update the firmware
07:22 < zapotah> krzee: it will help :3
07:22 < krzee> no chance of me installing windows today, but i will look to do that next time i visit usa
07:22 < krzee> heheh
07:22 < kuze01> sshd only has UsePrivilegeSeparation yes permitrootlogins no strictmodes yes rsa yes ppubkey yes ignoreRhosts yes tcpkeepalive yes UsePAM yes
07:22 < kuze01> should all be default except for the custom port
07:22 < zapotah> krzee: supermicro (especially decade old) isnt exactly known for stable firmware
07:22 < kuze01> oh yeah. Duh. I have to have ethernet working because im port forwarding
07:22 < krzee> oh wait this firmware update is hella old, i bet im on it
07:22 < krzee> lemme check
07:23 < zapotah> its kind of like the server hardware vendor of the network world of huawei
07:23 < kuze01> i have a custom port ssh is listening on, that the router forwards to that port
07:23 < zapotah> "weve a hotfix for everything"
07:23 < kuze01> and i think the router identifies me via ether
07:23 < pingfloyd> krzee: you should see if they have a way to do it like hp does where hit win+b at boot it will look for the image on the usb stick and update the bios.
07:23 < zapotah> its kind of unfunny
07:24 < zapotah> intel D1500 is their first real major seller
07:24 < zapotah> and that works
07:24 < zapotah> and the big boys forced them to fix every issue
07:24 < zapotah> they couldnt anymore bullshit their way
07:24 < zapotah> the older boards though
07:24 < zapotah> no
07:24 < zapotah> i wouldnt touch those
07:25 < kuze01> zapotoah when i look at my ethernet i have two choices for some reason. one just shows the hw addr, "B8:27...etc", the other shows a name and that same address "enx...etc(B8:27...etc)"
07:25 < pingfloyd> hotfixes like what windows does where it's a hack in the driver to work around the firmware issues?
07:25 < zapotah> unfunnily again though, they custom hacked the fixes for the high-end boards
07:25 < zapotah> since thats what the big boys were/are interested in
07:25 < zapotah> pingfloyd: aye
07:26 < pingfloyd> enterprise buys it all hook line and sinker
07:26 < zapotah> pingfloyd: no
07:26 < zapotah> pingfloyd: these guys know what theyre buying
07:27 < zapotah> but their requirements are 100% different than what 90% of people are buying
07:27 < zapotah> hyper-scale is something else
07:27 < pingfloyd> fair enough
07:29 < zapotah> kuze01: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/07cc299c/
07:29 < zapotah> thats the link on this very box with some mucking around
07:30 < zapotah> kuze01: now, the ip addressing is very different
07:30 < zapotah> kuze01: since its nothing to do with the interface
07:31 < kuze01> my ip link file looks just like that
07:32 < zapotah> kuze01: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/bac5f698/
07:32 < zapotah> theres another one
07:32 < zapotah> so
07:33 < zapotah> make sure the interface you want is there
07:33 < kuze01> its there
07:34 < kuze01> i have my loopback interface as 1 showing an address of 00:00:00:00...
07:34 < zapotah> then if youve a cable connected and the network configured properly, it will work
07:34 < kuze01> and then my eth interface that looks like yours
07:34 < zapotah> assuming your interfaces file is correct
07:34 < kuze01> and my wlan0
07:34 < cmj> 127.1?
07:34 < zapotah> or whatever you use for network configuration
07:35 < kuze01> cmj ifconfig shows lo as 127... but ip link just shows 00:00:00...
07:35 < zapotah> kuze01: loopback you shouldnt need to touch unless youre doing some serious stuff
07:35 < kuze01> ok
07:35 < zapotah> kuze01: and that serious stuff is way beyond the scope of this here conversation
07:35 < kuze01> the problem must be on the router side i guess
07:36 < zapotah> nay
07:36 < kuze01> i mean i do have port forwarding all set up idk if thats serious
07:36 < zapotah> figure it out precisely
07:36 < kuze01> ok
07:36 < krzee> zapotah: thank you for your time. i have no idea why this machine is booting now, but it continues to boot well now so i am happy! also it turns out that the newest firmware is already loaded (lucky for me! i really dont wanna install windows lol), although it's still quite old
07:36 < zapotah> losers say that "its the other guys fault"
07:37 < zapotah> krzee: sounds like some speshul firmware shit
07:37 < zapotah> krzee: as i said, X58 had some serious hba bugs in it
07:37 < zapotah> even on the chipboard controller itself
07:37 < cmj> kuze01: lo is virtual, so you're not getting a bssid on it
07:37 < krzee> well again, thank you for taking your time to help me, i appreciate it =]
07:37 < zapotah> krzee: hah, all in a vacations day
07:38 < krzee> im going to go get some food and water now, sooooooo hungry and thirsty
07:38 < zapotah> it did rattle some old "memory banks"
07:38 < krzee> hey me too! (vacation)
07:38 < cmj> god i have to reset a router hand configed for ipv6, might not return for hours
07:38 < zapotah> i hadnt rethought some of the bullshit that X58 chipset was
07:39 < zapotah> since it wasnt a uefi chipset
07:39 < zapotah> at all
07:39 < zapotah> and had all kinds of bs with different hba chipsets
07:39 < zapotah> since intel had not incorporated the sata controller in the chipset yet at that point
07:40 < zapotah> believe it or not
07:40 < kuze01> k im in my router config
07:40 < kuze01> my static ip for eth matches the one on the pi and is showing as connected
07:40 < zapotah> no
07:40 < kuze01> meanwhile my wireless connection is via DHCP and is showing as down
07:41 < zapotah> kuze01: you should only have an ip address on _one_ machine
07:41 < zapotah> never two
07:41 < zapotah> ever
07:41 < zapotah> for any reason except some speshul cases which are yet again not covered today
07:42 < zapotah> if youve an internet connection as 99% of people and clueless people have youve some subnet on the "wan" of your connection
07:42 < zapotah> and some of the addresses on that subnet are "yours"
07:42 < zapotah> now
07:43 < zapotah> you configure your router to listen on that and do one of two things
07:43 < zapotah> either do 1:1 NAT to your internal address that is behind that router
07:43 < zapotah> or
07:43 < zapotah> "port forward" to that server
07:43 < zapotah> which is still NAT
07:44 < zapotah> just selective
07:45 < zapotah> or if your ISP (even commercial) does routed, then you configure routes for whatever is routed to you
07:45 < zapotah> as for how all this works, thats outside of the scope of my explanation
07:46 < kuze01> routing is all configured
07:46 < kuze01> as far as port forwards are concerned
07:46 < zapotah> kuze01: you are most likely wrong
07:46 < kuze01> i mean i could duplicate the rules onto the wifi that exist for the eth
07:46 < kuze01> but one thing at a time as it now stands i have no working ethernet at all
07:47 < kuze01> so you think i should change my Wireless ip address to the same as my static ethernet
07:47 < kuze01> wireless is currently using dhcp
07:47 < zapotah> no
07:47 < kuze01> assigned dhcp
07:47 < zapotah> thats the last thing you should do
07:47 < kuze01> you said " you should only have an ip address on _one_ machine "
07:47 < zapotah> if youre getting addressing both ways, everything is working
07:48 < zapotah> you should only have a given ip address on _one_ machine
07:48 < zapotah> _given_
07:48 < cmj> if that's what you have to do to configure things correctly, it's what you should do
07:48 < kuze01> my static ip only exists on the pi yes
07:49 < kuze01> and my dhcpp assigned ip for wifi also only exists on the pi
07:49 < kuze01> each interface has an ip
07:49 < kuze01> meanwhile DHCP is working, my static config is receiving no internet
07:50 < kuze01> yet im successfully pinging router
07:50 < zapotah> kuze01: if its on the same subnet and otherwise regardless, you can only have one default gateway
07:50 < kuze01> from pi
07:50 < zapotah> kuze01: thats how any of this works
07:51 < zapotah> kuze01: you cannot have reliably two interfaces on the same subnet (or different addressing on two interfaces for that matter)
07:51 < zapotah> because that is how any of this works
07:51 < zapotah> or
07:51 < zapotah> you need to define separate routing tables for traffic
07:51 < zapotah> but thats once again beyond this
07:52 < notmike> ufw incoming reject
07:52 < notmike> I prefer drop
07:52 < notmike> Reject let's them know
07:53 < zapotah> dont reject general internet
07:53 < zapotah> unless youve some serious rate limiting in place
07:53 < zapotah> since otherwise youre working as a reflector
07:53 < notmike> "hi I'm steven and I employ ufw with a default policy of rejecting incoming packets"
07:53 < kuze01> disabled ufw has nothing to do with firewall
07:54 < kuze01> but i know what u mean
07:54 < notmike> zapotah: that doesn't apply to drop by default?
07:54 < zapotah> no, drop is drop
07:54 < pingfloyd> drop is a good default policy
07:55 < zapotah> i forget if the ufw drop was to respond with the original packet or just icmp reject
07:55 < zapotah> or with icmp reject with the original packet...
07:55 < kuze01> http://oi63.tinypic.com/task6e.jpg
07:55 < zapotah> some implementations do weird shit
07:55 < pingfloyd> I use iptables usually
07:56 < cmj> isn't reject ipchains
07:56 < pingfloyd> I like pfsense for larger operations
07:57 < cmj> i haven't used reject for years
07:58 < cmj> ah it's returning a packet
07:58 < pingfloyd> reject would be what you use internally
07:59 < zapotah> i dont remember when i did reject last
07:59 < pingfloyd> for helpful info
08:04 < kuze01> WBM user Unknown (0.0.0.0) has changed security settings[repeated 4 times, last time on Jul 11 01:47:53 2018]
08:04 < kuze01> WBM user Unknown (0.0.0.0) has changed security settings[repeated 1266 times, last time on Jul 11 01:27:10 2018]
08:04 < smallville7123> I need help, i am upable to bring wlp1s0 up and i can connect to my wifi but it sais it is disconnected and ping http://www.google.com does nothing and firefox sais im disconnected
08:04 < kuze01> super cool
08:04 < kuze01> 1266
08:07 < zapotah> man i love drunken master series
08:08 < bls> smallville7123: do you have a valid IP address on the NIC? what about a gateway? DNS server IPs?
08:08 < Nexilva> Hello, I am in xfce, and upon start up of xfce/xorg I would like to have this command launch, to map right menu key to super: xmodmap -e "keysym Menu = Super_R". I have put this in my application startups in sessions, and also in .xinitrc and .xsessionrc and it won't work when I log in to xfce4
08:08 < Nexilva> I have to manually open a terminal and then type this, and then it gets mapped
08:09 < Nexilva> Any way to have it automatically do it on xorg startup?
08:09 < bls> Nexilva: xfce may not load any of those files
08:09 < Nexilva> So how then can I do this?
08:09 < Nexilva> Would you know?
08:09 < Nexilva> ~
08:09 < Nexilva> Oops.
08:10 < bls> Nexilva: most DEs require you to add a .desktop file to its autostart directory
08:11 < Nexilva> I made a file called ~/bin/menu-to-mod.sh and set it as a+x permission, then added #!/bin/bash \n $  xmodmap -e "keysym Menu = Super_R"
08:11 < Nexilva> minus '$'
08:11 < Nexilva> And then added it to the xfce4 session startup as another command to launch when startup
08:11 < Nexilva> It still doesn't work.
08:11 < Nexilva> bls: I do not understand.
08:11 < bls> Nexilva: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#Autostart
08:12 < Nexilva> I see
08:12 < bls> although it sounds like you may have already done that
08:13 < Nexilva> Exec=xmodmap -e  "keysym Menu = Super_R"\n
08:13 < Nexilva> I already have it there
08:13 < Nexilva> Hmm
08:13 < Nexilva> Alternatively, add the commands you wish to run (including setting environment variables) to xinitrc (or xprofile when a display manager is being used).
08:13 < Nexilva> ahh
08:13 < Nexilva> xprofile, I'm using xddm
08:13 < Nexilva> sddm
08:13 < Nexilva> or whatever
08:14 < Tazmain> Hi all, today when I booted my laptop, it will no longer use my external display :/ tried restarting but still nothing
08:16 < kuze01> aannd i have internet now that im using dhcpo
08:16 < bls> there's also #xfce that might know if it has a preferred app/method that does anything to overrride your xmodmap settings
08:17 < smallville7123> https://i.imgur.com/TiLVJeF.jpg
08:17 < zapotah> kuze01: you shouldve had that if you defined dhcp to be the protocol for the properly named iface
08:17 < zapotah> if the kernel just recognizes the interface
08:17 < zapotah> assuming wired iface
08:18 < kuze01> i dont recall how i set it up
08:18 < jack_rabbit> smallville7123, wpa_supplicant is started, but you need to connect the if to an access point.
08:18 < zapotah> wireles... thats a different story
08:18 < zapotah> Psi-Jack:
08:18 < zapotah> err
08:19 < zapotah> mis-tab
08:19 < zapotah> and mis-window...
08:20 < kuze01> strange that im still holding onto the IP address i want even though its now automatic dhcp
08:21 < jack_rabbit> smallville7123, ip link set wlp1s0 up
08:21 < bls> dhcp will re-request your current IP, if the server is OK with you having it, you'll get it back again
08:22 < kuze01> nice
08:25 < cmj> yeah it goes back in the pool, if there aren't a ton of users you're very likely to get the same ip
08:26 < kuze01> aand i know what the problem is
08:26 < kuze01> my ip address for the router change
08:26 < kuze01> d
08:28 < nik> quick question, does cpufrequtils save the settings permanently?
08:28 < bls> depends on how you change them
08:29 < pheonix83> hey
08:30 < bls> if you just echo the settings into /sys files, then no
08:30 < kuze01> im getting farther...
08:30 < Nexilva> It did not work by putting it into the .xprofile
08:30 < nik> bls: there are so many ways to do it I'm kinda lost :P
08:31 < bls> Nexilva: does it work when you call your script by hand after the DE is started? have you added any debut to the script like touching a file in /tmp to ensure it's even getting run?
08:31 < Nexilva> yes
08:31 < Nexilva> I can manually run it.
08:31 < bls> debug
08:32 < Nexilva> ok
08:33 < bls> current theories are a) xfce isn't happy with your settings/.desktop file and isn't calling it or b) xfce is running something after .xinitrc/.xsession/.xprofile to init keybindings
08:33 < Dr_Coke> Hi people
08:33 < jack_rip_vim> Hi Dr_Coke
08:33 < jack_rip_vim> hi bls
08:33 < jack_rip_vim> hi everyone!
08:33 < Dr_Coke> How's it going jack_rip_vim
08:33 < jack_rip_vim> o/
08:33 < Dr_Coke> hi bls
08:34 < jack_rip_vim> Dr_Coke: everything is fine ! thanks
08:34 < Tazmain> Hi all, when I booted my laptop today the external screen will not work, rebooted, went to an older kernel, trying xorg over wayland, nothing is working , any ideas?
08:34 < jack_rip_vim> :)
08:34 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: startx didn't work?
08:35 < bls> greetings regz
08:35 < qswz> Does firefox use GPU for videos? because I noticed chrome use about 40% less CPU when reading a video
08:35 < qswz> other than that, I could switch entirely to firefox
08:35 < bls> qswz: depends on FF settings, GPU drivers, and the video encoding
08:35 < jack_rip_vim> qswz: chrome uses cpu so well ~
08:36 < pheonix83> leave
08:36 < qswz> is it ironic? heh
08:36 < bls> don't have it handy, but there's a way to get sites like youtube to not serve you the cpu intensive video encoding
08:36 < jack_rip_vim> :)
08:37 < qswz> ah ok
08:37 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, no I can get into my DE, gnome on wayland or xorg, but the external monitor is not working
08:37 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: so, you have two monitor?
08:37 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, yes laptop and normal screen
08:37 < Nexilva> bls: yes, it also creates a file in /tmp as I touch it in the script
08:37 < Tazmain> the normal screen now today suddenly does not work
08:38 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: seem like some desktop setting problems
08:38 < Nexilva> script runs, but xmodmap still doesn't change the key
08:38 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, it's not detecting the screen that is the issue
08:38 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: have you checked if the normal screen is down or not?
08:38 < bls> Nexilva: ok, that leaves the "xfce may be using it's own tool that's not xmodmap to init things"
08:38 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, if it was I would not be on here
08:38 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, oh , its on sorry. I checked it
08:39 < qswz> it seems like a dailymotion stream
08:39 < qswz> I can't see the video encoding
08:39 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, normal screen is on, connected, I checked it
08:39 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: anything shows up on it?
08:40 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, nope, even arandr does not see it
08:40 < cmj> qswz: about:support to see, (also about:about for everything else)
08:40 < qswz> tion/vnd.apple.mpegurl
08:40 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: does it copy your laptop screen?
08:40 < qswz> application/vnd.apple.mpegurl
08:40 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, no extend normally
08:40 < qswz> cmj: ah ok
08:41 < dief> ahoy
08:41 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: open your gnome desktop setting, see if you can see two monitor in there.
08:41 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, its not there
08:41 < kuze01> yay i fixed everything
08:42 < kuze01> fuck comcast for changing my ip
08:42 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, that is what I have been saying. The system is not even aware it has an external screen.
08:42 < cmj> qswz: search for gpu, should show dri
08:42 < qswz> GPU Active Yes
08:42 < kuze01> at least i found out ethernet wasnt working
08:42 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: check your monitor plug port, see if it is the connection problems
08:42 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, checked that
08:42 < qswz> yes DRI
08:42 < cmj> active:yes, Intel Open Source Technology Center -- Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 510 (Skylake GT1)
08:42 < qswz> Mesa
08:42 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: use another computer to check it again
08:42 < cmj> then you are good
08:42 < kuze01> <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
08:43 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: maybe the link or the plug port have some problems
08:43 < jack_rip_vim> line*
08:43 < jack_rip_vim> s/link/line
08:43 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, I tried another screen with another cable still the same
08:44 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: check the plug port, maybe it is broken
08:44 < Tazmain> after just rebooting ?
08:45 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: is that a VGA port?
08:45 < Tazmain> hdmi
08:45 < Tazmain> I don't have vga
08:45 < qswz> on chrome://gpu I see interesting things
08:45 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: do you update your system before you reboot your system?
08:45 < qswz> On Intel GPUs MSAA performance is not acceptable for GPU rasterization: 527565
08:46 < qswz> but it uses the same driver
08:47 < qswz> better buffering maybe
08:47 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, not that I am aware, and I did boot to an older kernel
08:48 < Tazmain> I can paste the xorg log ?
08:48 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: now, you need to do two things, first, you need another computer to connect to your normal screen, if the screen work well, that won't be the screen problems. second, you need to check your plug port, see if you see any dust in side of it, if it is, clean it
08:49 < jack_rip_vim> after it, plug it again, see if it is working
08:49 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, checked the plug port, the another screen I tested with I know works.
08:49 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: does the xorg log report some errors?
08:50 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, https://bpaste.net/show/488abfdea105 not that I can see
08:52 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: nothing errors from what I saw
08:52 < Tazmain> yeah so I really don't know
08:52 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: which one is your laptop?
08:53 < Tazmain> it's also a dell
08:53 < Tazmain> eDP-1
08:53 < Tazmain> it what it shows in arandr
08:54 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: you run ubuntu os?
08:54 < cmj> xrandr shows hdmi?
08:54 < Tazmain> fedora
08:54 < cmj> restart x if you haven't already
08:54 < Tazmain> cmj, nope
08:54 < Tazmain> cmj, I rebooted, tried a wayland session
08:54 < cmj> it doesn't magically show up. ok
08:54 < cmj> with your cable in, of course?
08:55 < Tazmain> cmj, yes, tried a different screen and cable
08:55 < Tazmain> Screen says, no signal from device
08:55 < Tazmain> The screen does pick up when it's plugged it, but then says it's getting no signal
08:57 < cmj> has the cable been in since reboot?
08:57 < Tazmain> can this be caused by the i7 gpu and the onboard amd GPU ?
08:57 < Tazmain> cmj, yeah
08:57 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: which one is your distro?
08:57 < cmj> zgrep -i hdmi /proc/config.gz
08:57 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, fedora
08:57 < Tazmain> cmj, no such file
08:57 < cmj> it's probably in /boot
08:58 < my_mind> i wanna install megasync client on mint 19, but there isn't one available for mint 19 on mega.nz. Can I install the version Mint 18 instead? or should I get Ubuntu 18.04 version?
08:58 < cmj> /boot/config-$(uname -r)
08:58 < jack_rip_vim> my_mind: yes, I think
08:58 < my_mind> which one?
08:59 < cmj> all distros have hdmi support though, i would assume
08:59 < misternumberone> if anyone here remembers me asking about the alternative driver for realtek RTL8111/8168 yesterday, I discovered that the network controller was physically broken by a blob of solder that was shorting several pins on the realtek chip. i removed the blob and it works now.
08:59 < Tazmain> cmj, https://bpaste.net/show/af3c9a79d3fc
08:59 < cmj> yeah huh
08:59 < jack_rip_vim> my_mind: the version mint 18
09:00 < cmj> logout of your wayland session and log back in, is all i can say
09:00 < bls> misternumberone: wow, that's obscure
09:00 < cmj> i don't use wayland
09:00 < cmj> but if i plug in, i need to rehash xorg to pickup the device
09:00 < Tazmain> cmj, I am in an Xorg session now
09:00 < jon-> does anyone know how i can increase the volume of aplay so i can get a sound event that isnt drowned out by my music
09:00 < jon-> ?
09:01 < my_mind> also are these packages safe? They are required for Megasync. libc-ares2 libcrypto++6 libmediainfo0v5 libtinyxml2-6 libzen0v5 ?
09:01 < jack_rip_vim> my_mind: apt install it
09:01 < misternumberone> bls: i kind of suspected it because i had recently done work on the board and replaced other components
09:01 < jack_rip_vim> my_mind: i think it is fine
09:02 < my_mind> jack_rip_vim: thanks. so I should use gdebi from cli instead of the gui?
09:02 < bls> and after all that time thinking you just didn't have the right firmware
09:03 < jack_rip_vim> my_mind: you have the choice to use it on cli or gui
09:04 < misternumberone> yeah it was only because there were so many threads online where the non free package fixed it that i thought it must help
09:08 < Tazmain> cmj, jack_rip_vim could running "xrandr --setprovideroffloadsink 1 0" cause this  ?
09:09 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: check it with other options
09:09 < Tazmain> I can only run that, any other option gives me an error
09:10 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: which error?
09:13 < Tazmain> jack_rip_vim, no luck
09:13 < cmj> xrandr should show connected devices at first
09:13 < Tazmain> cmj, in wayland it shows nothing
09:13 < Tazmain> cmj, but in Xorg it still doesn't
09:14 < maxxik> gents, dumb qustion - if we take MTA-to-MTA communications, in particular - outgoing mail - is port 25 on the sending side being used ?
09:14 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: maybe xorg and wayland got crash
09:15 < bls> maxxik: ususally, port 25 is reserved for receiving
09:15 < Sitri> maxxik: unless the SSL port is being used, yes.
09:15 < maxxik> bls, sure thing ) but is it used for *sending* ?
09:15 < bls> maxxik: no
09:15 < jack_rip_vim> Tazmain: I am thinking they are crashing
09:16 < cmj> Tazmain: i'm not seeing a modeset for an hdmi device in your xorg.0.log. something is afoot and i'm out of answers
09:16 < bls> the outgoing connection that connects to the remote port 25 will be on a randomly chosen egress port
09:17 < maxxik> bls, so, if I make it firewalled for entirely on the sender - no issues with mail sending ?
09:17 < Tazmain> I am reading that if you have nomodest in your kernel params it can cause this cmj
09:17 < cmj> make sure your tv/monitor is switched to the correct input
09:17 < Dagmar> ...and being that those are selected from much higher port numbers...
09:17 < bls> unless in the mentioned SMTP over TLS situation
09:18 < Awoca> Charles D.  They might have some computer books based on him.
09:18 < maxxik> bls, ?
09:18 < cmj> Tazmain: kms kernel mode setting
09:18 < cmj> but that shouldn't have an effect on X
09:18 < cmj> afaik
09:18 < bls> if you don't allow outgoing connects, there will be an issue. if you only didn't allow incoming connections, you'd be fine
09:19 < Tazmain> cmj, yeah
09:19 < maxxik> bls, outgoing on the sender ?
09:19 < bls> correct
09:20 < maxxik> ok, I see
09:20 < maxxik> thanks
09:20 < bls> you can add firewall rules to prevent a box from sending any data/making external connections
09:21 < Dagmar> This isn't really a bad idea for a lot of systems
09:21 < bls> right, so the only way that info leaves the system is via a validated incoming connection
09:31 < tommaso> Hi all, how can I stat a file from kernel using the fd ?
09:32 < azarus> tommaso: from a shell, from a program, or something else?
09:33 < tommaso> from the kernel ..
09:33 < azarus> ...?
09:33 < azarus> i strongly doubt you're using the integrated kernel command line
09:33 < tommaso> in a subsystem of Linux .. like bfs
09:33 < azarus> so from a program?
09:34 < azarus> ah, you mean inside the kernel source
09:34 < tommaso> yes
09:34 < vancha> hey there dudes, how much can i "break" a server when i make mistakes in a .htaccess file (i have ftp access). i figured it can't be too bad, but it's kind of critical :P
09:34 < azarus> tommaso: use fstat()
09:34 < azarus> if possible, but I doubt it
09:35 < azarus> this all seems userspace stuff, tough
09:35 < DLange> vancha: as much as you can't use / access the http server anymore. But you can always fix that via your ftp access.
09:35 < lopid> just web access, vancha. is that important to you?
09:35 < vancha> DLange: ah thanks :) yes web access is important, but i guess when i screwed up, i can just reset the original contents to the file?
09:36 < DLange> vancha: correct
09:36 < vancha> alright
09:36 < azarus> tommaso: there are no stat functions in the kernel, so stat isn't really possible
09:37 < tommaso> azarus: D:
09:37 < Nexilva> http://paste.debian.net/plain/1033201 my problem in pastebin, does anyone know how to do this? I also asked the #xfce but they do not know so far
09:37 < azarus> tommaso: try vfs_fstat?
09:37 < tommaso> yeah but that wants a struct file * not an fd
09:38 < tommaso> I don't know how to get the file from the fd
09:38 < azarus> you sure?
09:38 < azarus> https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.17.5/source/include/linux/fs.h#L3092
09:38 < bls> doesn't the kernel have function to turn an fd in to a FILE* like the userland?
09:39 < azarus> it wants an "int fd"
09:39 < bls> like fdopen()
09:39 < azarus> int vfs_fstat(int fd, struct kstat *stat)
09:40 < tommaso> azarus: Never mind ! thanks
09:44 < tommaso> azarus: I fucked it up, I wanted the opposite :\ get the stat having "struct file"
09:46 < azarus> dunno then, sorry
09:47 < notmike> Kiki: do u love me, are you riding?
09:47 < cppleaner> Anyone using Dante?
09:49 < cppleaner> Dante seems to ignore the routing table. With `external: eth0`, the traffic is not routed via VPN. How is that possible...?
09:55 < Nexilva> It was xprop in one terminal, then use keyboard to switch to another terminal, and run xfce4-popup-whiskermenu and it returns WM_CLASSNAME 'wrapper-2.0' and 'Wrapper2.0' and now it floats
09:56 < Nexilva> Down here... they all FLOAT! Muahahahahaha
09:56 < Nexilva> :>
09:56 < Tazmain> cmj, I give up. Nothing I tried worked
09:59 < tommaso> FTR, there's no_llseek() that expects a file * in
10:10 < flashpoint> how do I find out how many charge/discharge cycles a battery has had?
10:10 < morfin> is there sane solution to forward ports from multiple Linux systems around routers etc without OpenVPN?
10:11 < morfin> with OpenVPN i'll need to generate keys for each system and there is 30 of them for now, more coming
10:17 < Wulf> morfin: I'm not aware of any
10:18 < Wulf> morfin: but if you automate it, openvpn should work
10:19 < Sitri> morfin: do up some script that generates the firewall rules for the port-forwarding?
10:20 < Sitri> That's what I do, using OpenBSD on the firewall.
10:35 < morfin> now i am connecting from my Linux to central node
10:35 < morfin> Linux is behind routers/fiterwalls etc, central node not
10:42 < VjdfMQ> Hey all
10:42 < VjdfMQ> Could anyone suggest how to upgrade from LTS to current?
10:43 < Wulf> VjdfMQ: upgrade what?
10:43 < VjdfMQ> KDE Neon
10:45 < oerheks> 18.04 lts to .. ?
10:46 < VjdfMQ> 16.04.1-Ubuntu
10:46 < VjdfMQ> to new one
10:46 < BCMM> VjdfMQ: you know that kde neon is based on ubuntu lts, right?
10:46 < VjdfMQ> BCMM: ofc
10:46 < BCMM> not on the latest ubuntu?
10:47 < oerheks> upgrade path will be available with 18.04,1
10:47 < BCMM> VjdfMQ: are you trying to move from kde neon to plain kubuntu or something?
10:47 < VjdfMQ> BCMM: No. The fact that it's LTS, I mean ... KDE Neon is LTS so its internals don't upgrade to the latest ( the KDE apps )
10:48 < VjdfMQ> Can't get how to upgrade KDE plasma to the latest
10:48 < VjdfMQ> Okay. The have three versions of KDE Neon
10:48 < VjdfMQ> 1. LTS, 2. Current, 3. Debug
10:49 < VjdfMQ> 3. Devel*
10:49 < VjdfMQ> So, apps in LTS are old enough and it's quite interesting how to install the latest KDE plasma on LTS version
10:50 < diabel> Hello, what kind of software should I use to create FTP reverse proxy?
10:53 < BCMM> diabel: sorry if this is unhelpful, but is there any way you can avoid having to do that?
10:54 < BCMM> ftp is old and weird, and *particularly* weird if any kind of proxying is in play (it doesn't even like NAT)
10:54 < BCMM> it's almost always more appropriate to use http for anonymous downloads and sftp (not ftps!) for offering read/write access to trusted people
10:55 < VjdfMQ> Uh. Okay, there's application called *wallch*. When trying to open settings it shows "segmentation fault"
10:55 < diabel> BCMM: I've got a lot FTP's servers in virtual machines that users use
10:55 < VjdfMQ> This application is used for changing background of desktop, but is it possible to configure it to work with plasma?
10:55 < BCMM> diabel: ah, unfortunate...
10:56 < ShotokanZH> hi evryone!
10:56 < BCMM> VjdfMQ: https://launchpad.net/wallpaper-changer check "supported desktop environments"
10:57 < ShotokanZH> i've signed a file inplace using PGP (GPG implementation) and added a comment using the --comment switch
10:57 < ShotokanZH> how can i retrieve the comment?
10:57 < VjdfMQ> Thank you BCMM
11:00 < E|nMann> ShotokanZH: what about something like: pgp --help | grep comment
11:00 < ShotokanZH> E|nMann, thank you very much, i've never tried that. c'mon man
11:02 < BCMM> ShotokanZH: now it's possible i'm misunderstanding what you mean by comment here... but isn't it just in the signiture, in plaintext?
11:02 < BCMM> i.e. you can read it with `grep Comment signed-file.txt`?
11:03 < ShotokanZH> BCMM, the problem is that signing a file inplace in binary mode doesn't expose strings
11:03 < ShotokanZH> so i can't grep the file
11:03 < BCMM> oh right, i don't really know how signing binaries works, sorry.
11:04 < ShotokanZH> BCMM, don't worry, thank you
11:05 < BCMM> ShotokanZH: if you detach the signiture, is the resulting file plain-text?
11:05 < ShotokanZH> BCMM, yes but as for client request i can't make a detached signature
11:07 < ShotokanZH> it's basically an update file, i wanted to add a 'version number' to the comment so that i could read that without extracting everything
11:07 < ShotokanZH> BCMM, ^ :)
11:20 < kqr> not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I'll go anyway: can  ps aux  show a process as being both running and sleeping simultaneously? (i.e. show "RS" under the STAT column)
11:21 < BCMM> kqr: as i understand it, it should not
11:22 < sauvin> kqr, (1) this is the right place to ask, and (2) I have no clue.
11:22 < kqr> BCMM, that would explain why the monitoring script starts screaming when it sees it. I wonder what might be the cause of that happening, then
11:22 < BCMM> kqr: R is "running or runnable", i.e. the process would be happy to get a timeslice and do some work right now
11:23 < sauvin> kqr, you're sure you're not seeing sleeping threads in a process?
11:23 < kqr> sauvin, so a multithreaded process can be marked as RSl or something along those lines?
11:23 < BCMM> kqr: S is "interruptible sleep (waiting for an event to complete)", i.e. the process does *not* currently want to run, because it has no work to do until some external event has occurred
11:23 < kqr> BCMM, yeah, that was my reasoning too
11:24 < sauvin> kqr, individual threads can show up as processes in certain invocations of ps. I've forgotten the details, but remember seeing it.
11:24 < kqr> hm
11:24 < sauvin> Also bear in mind there's more than one kind of thread.
11:25 < sauvin> So, depends on how your script is collecting, sorting and storing the info, on what it's seeing, and *possibly* what kind of threading is used. That's a silly wild-assed guess on my part and may not be relevant, but it might be something to look for.
11:29 < sauvin> kqr, what language are you using?
11:30 < kqr> sauvin, the monitoring script is simply a shell script looking at the output of ps aux
11:31 < sauvin> kqr, you might want to consider using a more powerful scripting language, one that has modules or libraries for gathering process info. Parsing command output like that can be a bit iffy.
11:39 < BCMM> reading psuedofiles in /proc/ is the programmatic way of collecting process information. ps is not designed to be parseable and scripts parsing it can fail on new procps versions, unexpected l10n settings, busybox's ps implementation etc.
11:42 < sauvin> And can otherwise just be plain "iffy". :D
11:49 < zenix_2k2> not sure if this is the right place but is filestream a C's thing or a UNIX's thing ? like file descriptors, it is a UNIX's thing
11:55 < handlerug> hello everyone!
11:56 < epicmetal> How can I show which systemd inhibitors are active, if any?
11:56 < epicmetal> I want to figure out why systemd-logind doesn't run poweroff when I press my laptop's power button
11:56 < epicmetal> I don't have a DE running, just a WM
11:58 < pihpah> Okay, Linux, open source and all others you gotta be shitting me: a Web application running in docker containers along with PhpStorm sitting on Java are eating up 16Gb of RAM and 100% of CPU. Seriously? What's wrong with this world.
11:58 < epicmetal> pihpah: probably the "Docker" part
11:59 < Dagmar> Well, without Docker you can't properly let old bugs fester
12:00 < Sitri> zenix_2k2: filestream in what context?
12:00 < pihpah> Dagmar: agree, but it's a damn Web application, I do not compile Linux kernel, what probably would be much faster and would consume less resources.
12:01 < epicmetal> systemd-inhibit --list
12:01 < azarus> pihpah: well, it's not docker's or linux's fault that the application is crap
12:01 < epicmetal> pihpah: what makes you think that a web application is immune to such things:
12:01 < Dagmar> Kids these days simply do not *care* how many resources something consumes
12:01 < epicmetal> s/:/?/
12:02 < BCMM> pihpah: docker (along with electron) is part of a conspiracy by ram manufacturers to push demand
12:02 < pihpah> Dagmar: that's probably the cause
12:02 < BCMM> pihpah: either that or 99.9% of people just don't care one bit about resource usage in software
12:04 < epicmetal> BCMM: doing things properly take time and skill and resources
12:04 < epicmetal> But I agree that it's a horrible state of affairs
12:05 < epicmetal> Hmm, I wonder if logind needs polkit for the power button to work
12:05 < azarus> isn't that handled by acpid?
12:06 < Dagmar> See, in the good old days we just used acpid for that
12:06 < Dagmar> Very simple.
12:06 < azarus> i still do
12:06 < epicmetal> Dagmar: I'm trying to be a good systemd boy
12:06 < epicmetal> Dagmar: also, trying to install as few things as possible
12:06 < epicmetal> systemd is already installed ;)
12:07 < Dagmar> ...and just look at how well it works.
12:07 < epicmetal> It's probably my fault
12:08 < epicmetal> I kinda turned off InstallRecommends
12:08 < azarus> is that debian?
12:08 < epicmetal> Yeah
12:08 < epicmetal> (Sid)
12:09 < azarus> i sadly dunno my way around systemd, at all :/
12:10 < epicmetal> azarus: what do you run?
12:11 < azarus> epicmetal: doesn't matter, just doesn't have systemd
12:11 < epicmetal> azarus: now you have to tell us :)
12:11 < Dagmar> heh
12:11 < azarus> alpine mostly, also openbsd and on one machine gentoo
12:11 < epicmetal> Adventurous
12:11 < azarus> openbsd isn't linux, gasp
12:11 < epicmetal> gnu's not unix, so it all works out
12:12 < azarus> gnu stuff is only on the gentoo machine
12:12 < stoiss> Hello everyone. Im having a bit of a problem with a Ubuntu deriviate running xfce4 i cant make NordVPN work. It gives me an error "Cannot specify device when activating vpn" I have no idea what that specifically means
12:12 < epicmetal> I'd totally be running BSD right now but I couldn't be bothered converting filesystems
12:12 < epicmetal> Actually that's not entirely true. I could have used DragonlyBSD
12:13 < djph> azarus: I'm not entirely sure "sadly" was the right adverb
12:13 < epicmetal> DragonflyBSD*
12:13 < azarus> djph: hehe
12:13 < Dagmar> I'm sure it's great that the thing allows laptop users to have laptop software refuse to allow the laptop to sleep, but...
12:13 < Dagmar> Why the @#$%@# this code has to be on servers as well is beyong me
12:13 < azarus> acpid doesn't belong on servers, really
12:13 < Dagmar> Yeah it does
12:14 < azarus> well for power button stuff, but why do that if you can just run "shutdown"
12:14 < azarus> and your server doesn't have a lid you can close, right?: P
12:14 < azarus> :P*
12:14 < Dagmar> It's a stupid-simple way of making the machine power down if the UPS sounds off, or if the admin is in the datacenter and actually pushes that magic button
12:14 < azarus> suppose so, sure
12:14 < ice9> is it safe to resize lvm partitions with data?
12:15 < djph> Dagmar: sysrq?
12:15 < Dagmar> ice9: you can grow them while mounted
12:15 < azarus> djph: the admin in the datacenter doesn't always have a keyboard attached
12:15 < azarus> (to the server, not himself ;P)
12:15 < Dagmar> djph: Yeah, like I'm going to go through a rack of machines pluggin a keyboard into each one, one at a time, just to wait for the USB bus to _maybe_ notice it, just so I can press a keyboard key
12:15 < ice9> Dagmar, i need to shrink a partition in order to grow another, are you sure this is safe operation for not losing the data?
12:16 < Dagmar> ice9: I did not say anything about shrinking them.
12:16 < djph> azarus: Dagmar oh I know - it was just a play on "magic button"
12:16 < Dagmar> THAT _must_ be done offline.
12:17 < ice9> Dagmar, so if i unmounted them, is it safe to shrink and grow? how can I ensure that the data is not lost after shrinking?
12:17 < azarus> ice9: depends
12:17 < azarus> what filesystem?
12:18 < Dagmar> Assuming gparted told you the operation was successful
12:18 < Dagmar> ice9: Maybe start by ensuring you've got more than enough space remaining after the shrink operation
12:20 < Dagmar> The /data hierarchy is pretty compartmentalized.  You're literally not going spelunking in there without elevated privs
12:20 < Dagmar> @#$#@$
12:22 < azarus> ^ what's that
12:22 < azarus> censored cursing?
12:22 < epicmetal> systemctl reload systemd-logind isn't valid, so is it safe to do restart instead of reload?
12:24 < epicmetal> Haha, answer: no
12:24 < azarus> *kaboom*
12:24 < azarus> what a joy
12:24 < epicmetal> It killed my user session
12:25 < zenix_2k2> Sitri: like there are 2 ways to open a file, using file descriptors and using filestream
12:25 < zenix_2k2> that contexts
12:25 < Sitri> By filestream do you mean FILE*?
12:27 < epicmetal> azarus: I've asked in #systemd
12:27 < zenix_2k2> FILE *file_pointer;
12:27 < napalmgrenade> hey I have an app I'm working on using ElasticSearch, MongoDB, Logstash and Kibana..right now I'm doing everything on localhost, how would I make the kibana  accessible to someone else?
12:28 < Sitri> Yeah, those aren't called "filestreams" they're usually just called "file handles" and they're defined by the C specification.
12:29 < zenix_2k2> Sitri: but i read something like "there are 2 primary ways of accessing a file in C, using file descriptors and File-streams"
12:30 < zenix_2k2> but since Fd is a UNIX-thing so "File-streams", not sure
12:30 < Sitri> Right, but an FD is also a stream interface
12:30 < Dagmar> It's just another way of accessing the same thing
12:30 < Sitri> So whoever wrote that is not well informed.
12:30 < Sitri> FYI: on most UNIXes a FILE* is backed by an FD.
12:30 < jim> zenix_2k2, that's true if you add "in the libc standard library"
12:32 < zenix_2k2> stream interface ?
12:33 < zenix_2k2> this one --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STREAMS ?
12:35 < BluesKaj> Hey folks
12:49 < ice9> resizing filesystem with resize2fs will only move the ending pointer to another location, so it may leave data after that pointer and they will be lost right?
12:50 < Namarrgon> it will move the data if required
13:21 < jim> ice9, also, you would have to also resize the thing the filesystem is contained in (partition? lvm vol? something else?)
13:22 < jim> hmm, also also
13:22 < BCMM> jim: looks like ice9 logged off a while ago...
13:22 < jim> didn't see that
14:03 < nothos> Hey all, I have a list with filenames in it and a folder with most but not all of those files in it. How can I compare them and output just the filenames that aren't in the folder?
14:05 < ziggylazer> diff
14:05 < azarus> diff $(ls <dir>) $(ls <otherdir>)
14:06 < ziggylazer> nothos, azarus thanks for filing on. Was not sure about syntax
14:06 < azarus> ah no that's wrong
14:07 < ziggylazer> hehehe
14:07 < azarus> diff <(ls -1 <dir>) <(ls -1 <otherdir>)
14:08 < azarus> (only in bash tough)
14:08 < azarus> and maybe zsh, idk
14:09 < nothos> azarus ziggylazer I did use diff with process substitution, but is there a way to tell diff to output only one side of differences?
14:09 < mnemon> ziggylazer: cat filename | fgrep -v "`ls`"
14:10 < ziggylazer> nothos, yeah the simples form will print them
14:11 < nothos> ziggylazer Okay, I'll rummage around diff's manpages and see what I can work out
14:11 < ziggylazer> Like  diff file1 file2
14:11 < nothos> Glad to see I was on the right track at least :)
14:11 < nothos> Thanks guys!
14:11 < mnemon> ah, meant to reply to nothos
14:12 < nothos> mnemon I'll check that too
14:12 < nothos> Cheers :)
14:12 < mnemon> works if you have a list of filenames in the file "filename" one per line
14:14 < epicmetal> azarus & Dagmar: systemd handles the power button just fine... I just have a weird power button that needs to be held down for a second and doesn't register a "normal" press!
14:15 < epicmetal> As distinct from a forced hardware poweroff (not "hold it down for four seconds")
14:15 < nothos> Hmm, I just realised, will the diff/grep approach work if the order is different?
14:16 < azarus> epicmetal: cool
14:18 < nothos> Just slapped together a one liner
14:18 < nothos> for i in $(cat file_list); do if [ ! -d /etc/files/$i ]; then echo $i; fi; done;
14:18 < nothos> Seemed to do it
14:18 < pingfloyd> one does not just slap together a one liner
14:18 < nothos> pingfloyd okay, I fudged together a dirty hack-y thing :P
14:19 < nothos> (though file list is a bit of a misleading file name since they're dirs but you know :D )
14:22 < pingfloyd> dir list
14:23 < pingfloyd> after all, you're comparing directory lists (or listings).
14:23 < treefrob_> I'm dd'ing a centos image to a USB stick with 'dd if=centos-image.iso of=/dev/sde' and watching the I/O with 'iostat -k 5". I see about 5MB/s read and 2.5MB/s write activity. Why are there read operations?
14:24 < pingfloyd> treefrob_: it has to read the iso file
14:24 < treefrob_> is there something like a native block size for such devices, similar to disks with 4k sized blocks?
14:24 < treefrob_> pingfloyd, I see 5MB/s reads *on* /dev/sde
14:24 < ananke> treefrob_: just use 1MB as the block size
14:26 < treefrob_> now I see: sde            1078.80      4140.80      5208.00      20704      26040
14:26 < BCMM> treefrob_: native block size isn't particularly true for spinning disks anymore either
14:26 < pingfloyd> treefrob_: bs= isn't what you think it is
14:27 < pingfloyd> that has nothing to do with native block size.
14:27 < treefrob_> why does writing to the stick with dd cause read I/O?
14:27 < pingfloyd> treefrob_: think about what you're writing
14:28 < pingfloyd> treefrob_: you're writing what you're reading
14:28 < pingfloyd> of= is where it is writing to, and if= is where it is reading from
14:29 < section1> yeah but the centos image its not in sde
14:29 < treefrob_> section1, yes :)
14:30 < mnemon> nothos: grep works regardless of ordering, diff probably doesn't
14:30 < treefrob_> pingfloyd, I see writ AND READ I/O on /dev/sde
14:31 < smallville7123> how compatible is the Realtek RTL8821AE wireless network adapter card with linux
14:31 < treefrob_> but thanks for the assumption that I'm too dumb to understand that dd has to read centos-image.iso from somewhere :)
14:31 < section1> heh
14:31 < qswz> I broke my chrome browser, it can't lookup localhost, but it works with 127.0.0.1 I tried every things possible found on google, reinstalled chrome, ...
14:32 < treefrob_> qswz, it's your name resolution, not the browser
14:32 < qswz> well, firefox works
14:32 < section1> qswz, sure chrome its bypassing /etc/hosts
14:33 < section1> im not familiar with chrome
14:34 < qswz> well damn, I added 127.0.0.1 lo
14:34 < qswz> thanks
14:34 < qswz> localhost is condemned for chrome, which sucks
14:36 < strixdio> I'm having trouble deciding a distro to use at work.
14:36 < Psi-Jack> strixdio: Solus.
14:36 < esselfe> strixdio: openSUSE
14:37 < pingfloyd> qswz: what's your /etc/hosts file look like?
14:38 < pingfloyd> strixdio: why?
14:38 < qswz> pingfloyd: it's quite big
14:39 < qswz> basically:
14:39 < lostfile> i tired adding a custom host name to my /etc/hosts file once and it didnt work out to well
14:39 < pingfloyd> qwedfg: check the entries for localhost in it
14:39 < lostfile> and i was using debian at the time
14:39 < qswz> https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
14:39 < one_roOt> does this message come through? :A
14:39 < qswz> but I have the same issue without
14:40 < qswz> and it used to work with for a bunch of tme
14:41 < qswz> http://vpaste.net/oxUhT
14:41 < treefrob_> it seems to have to do with using a small blocksize (512b) and going through the page cache
14:41 < qswz> pingfloyd: ^
14:43 < mnemon> treefrob_: yeah the problem is non-aligned writes, IIRC larger blocksize should also work if it's aligned
14:45 < royal_screwup21> the usage for this repo https://github.com/chubin/cheat.sh is simply to type curl cht.sh/<language>/<query> and it just works! I can't quite wrap my head  around this.  What's happening under the hood?
14:46 < section1> qswz, ping localhost works ?
14:46 < qswz> section1: yes
14:47 < section1> ok
14:47 < FreeFull> royal_screwup21: cht.sh is just a specialised website
14:47 < section1> qswz, check this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33524826/localhost-not-working-in-chrome-127-0-0-1-does-work
14:48 < qswz> seems really a crhome issue, I tried clearing their chrome://net-internals/#dns
14:48 < FreeFull> royal_screwup21: Try doing   curl example.com
14:48 < qswz> yea I tried taht
14:49 < FreeFull> royal_screwup21: Instead of serving up html, cht.sh serves up text with some terminal codes for the colours
14:49 < qswz> Async DNS Configuration
14:49 < qswz> Internal DNS client enabled: false
14:49 < qswz> eww
14:50 < qswz> oh internal is chrome's I guess, nvm
14:54 < FreeFull> royal_screwup21: Note that if you visit cht.sh in Firefox, it does serve up HTML to the browser. I think it uses useragent detection to do that
14:55 < ice9> whats the difference between 'free' and 'available' in the free command?
14:56 < Sayona> Hi, I update mysql 5.1 to 5.5 to 5.7 and I get: unconnected' user: 'root' host: 'localhost' (Got an error reading communication packets). Any help please? I increase max_allowed_packet. No result
14:57 < pingfloyd> ice9: available includes the memory allocated to caches and buffers
14:57 < rumpel> ice9, available = could be made free if necessary
14:57 < searedvandal> ice9, 'man free' explains it pretty well
14:57 < ice9> is it possible to control the behavior of caching? like reducing it?
14:58 < pingfloyd> so if a program needs more memory it can take from cache
14:58 < section1> caching in ram is good thing
14:58 < FreeFull> There isn't really a reason to, usually
14:58 < pingfloyd> ice9: there's no point in reducing it
14:58 < rumpel> ice9, why would reducing that be a good idea?
14:58 < pingfloyd> ice9: that will just ruin performance
14:58 < rumpel> ice9, the best strategy for expensive RAM is: use as much as possible all the time
14:58 < ice9> will i have 8G ram and always I ran out of memory even when using few applications, (I don't have swap)
14:59 < pingfloyd> ice9: free memory is memory going to waste
14:59 < searedvandal> why no swap?
14:59 < rumpel> ice9, then maybe figure out, which application is causing that and why
14:59 < ice9> searedvandal, i think it slows down things
15:00 < rumpel> ice9, it does, if it's necessary because of a lack of physical ram.
15:00 < section1> you can drop caches...but its aperformance hit..
15:00 < ice9> rumpel, sometimes when i open many tabs in firefox, it take all the ram and system becomes unresponsive
15:00 < pingfloyd> ice9: you thinking incorrectly
15:00 < esselfe> swap is really useful for hibernation
15:00 < pingfloyd> swap doesn't slow anything down
15:00 < rumpel> ice9, then use less tabs. Or buy more ram.
15:00 < azarus> aif you have an SSD, what use is hibernation
15:00 < azarus> if*
15:01 < pingfloyd> having hundreds of tabs open will do that
15:01 < pingfloyd> especially if some of those tabs are bloated websites that have all sorts of crap
15:02  * iflema the internet is shit
15:02 < section1> most of us with live from that shit :D
15:03 < iflema> for or you eat it?
15:03 < iflema> unplugged?
15:04 < iflema> live baby live
15:04 < pingfloyd> it speaks in riddles
15:04 < jim> section1, hi... we have a language policy... and while "s**t" is included, it's not so much of a problem... still, I'd request you pay attention to that please
15:04 < iflema> it was for section1 :D
15:05 < section1> oh sorry.
15:05 < jim> no problem, thanks for considering it
15:05 < section1> iflema, i think most of here are admins/dev/etc doint "internet" stuff.
15:06 < section1> doing*
15:06 < azarus> gopher:// will prevail!
15:06 < iflema> section1: shoot em
15:06 < section1> :)
15:07 < Psi-Jack> azarus: I need the GPS coordinates... Of the rock you live under. :)
15:09 < djph> Psi-Jack: although, with the way that "the web" has gone down the tubes...
15:10 < azarus> exactly
15:10 < pingfloyd> it's gone down the youtubes
15:10 < azarus> let's set technology back to text-only
15:10 < Psi-Jack> Are you sure it's not a truck?
15:10 < Psi-Jack> LOL
15:11 < azarus> the internet is not something you just dump something on!
15:11 < azarus> the internet is not a big truck.
15:11 < Psi-Jack> heh
15:11 < section1> be have the lucky
15:11 < jim> not even a big taco truck?
15:11 < azarus> the internet is like, like a series of tubes!
15:12 < section1> ops...we have the "lucky" that still irc its alive and have people connected.
15:12 < pingfloyd> the future! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxqfgIDvEY
15:12 < jim> HOO wants za ops?!
15:13 < Langley> How is the internet different from tubes though
15:13 < pingfloyd> azarus: the internet is the city dump
15:14 < strixdio> Psi-Jack: why solus?
15:15 < one_roOt> what is the difference between #linux and ##linux? why the forwarding?
15:15 < Psi-Jack> strixdio: Because it's a pretty awesome distro design solely for desktop/workstation use.
15:16 < section1> one_roOt, because in #linux its for the gurus/hackers ? like linus...
15:16 < one_roOt> aah i see. ty
15:16 < BCMM> one_roOt: freenode namespace policy
15:17 < mnemon> one_roOt: # is for projects/entities ## for topics
15:17 < section1> it was a bad joke one_roOt ..don't know whay..but in #kernel its the same
15:17 < BCMM> one_roOt: # is for official channels that belong to the project they're named after. e.g. #debian is run by the debian project
15:17 < section1> only if you are invited i think you can go in.
15:18 < BCMM> one_roOt: ## is for "topical" channels - they're for discussion about some topic or other, but they're not officially affiliated with the thing they're named after
15:19 < BCMM> one_roOt: so this is ##linux because it's not the official linux channel controlled and operated by the linux kernel team
15:19 < Psi-Jack> Not entirely true. :)
15:20 < BCMM> one_roOt: section1 is a little confused, by the way. as far as i know, #linux and #kernel do not exist on this server - they're purely redirects
15:20 < one_roOt> hmmm
15:20 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: you're referring to the official trademark licence, right?
15:20 < section1> BCMM, when itr try to join in #kernel: Cannot join #kernel (Channel is invite only)
15:20 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: No, I'm referring to the fact that the founder of this channel technically has the authority to use #linux, but chooses not to. ;)
15:21 < one_roOt> i'm just asking because i'm developing an irc client for a uni project and had to implement this redirect... was a bit confused
15:21 < Psi-Jack> section1: It's ##kernel
15:21 < section1> yeah
15:21 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: that's because of the trademark licence, though, right?
15:21 < Psi-Jack> No.
15:21 < section1> but #kernel exist i think but in invite mode
15:21 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: Like I said, he /has/ official authority. :)
15:21 < FreeFull> #linux and #kernel do seem to exist as invite-only channels
15:21 < one_roOt> linus pls invite
15:21 < Psi-Jack> section1: It does not, it's a forwarder to ##kernel
15:22 < FreeFull> Oh, #kernel does forward
15:22 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: in any case, he's correct to keep it as ##linux, since this is barely a *linux kernel* support place anyway
15:22 < FreeFull> #linux is invite-only
15:22 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: True. :)
15:22 < section1> both do the forward
15:24 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: so what are the grounds on which this *could* be #linux, then?
15:26 < FreeFull> The idea is that channels starting with a single # are official channels for projects
15:26 < FreeFull> And everything else starts with ##
15:26 < ffejj> hey guys...
15:27 < FreeFull> Hey ffejj
15:27 < jim> FreeFull, #kernel, dunno why, #linux: -one- # means the channel is an official on-topic (for freenode) channel, and freenode makes a relationship with the author/founder/copyright or trademark holder... it's Linus who holds the trademark on "linux"
15:27 < Thuryn> so Cisco and Citrix have signed off for #cisco and #Citrix?
15:27 < ffejj> question- in my /var/logs/auth.log i have duplicate entries, with different timestamp formats - how can i tidy this up (remove one set of log entries)
15:28 < FreeFull> Thuryn: Seems not, those channels *should* start with ## but aren't
15:28 < jim> FreeFull, -two- #s means the channel is an "about" channel, that's not official in the sense that the person who holds the name is present in some way
15:29 < Psi-Jack> Well, I know that #raspberrypi is definitely /NOT/ official.
15:29 < Psi-Jack> They like to claim they are, but they are lying out of their teeth about it. :)
15:29 < FreeFull> They say in their topic they are unofficial
15:30 < jim> Psi-Jack, yes and there are other exceptions, like #debian (whose official presence is on oftc)
15:30 < pingfloyd> maybe they're officially unofficial
15:30 < Psi-Jack> Ahhh good. they FINALLY fixed that. :)
15:30 < Dan39> and at times i've seen both a # and ## channel for support for the same project, just because some people didn't like each other :P
15:30 < section1> lol
15:30 < pingfloyd> Dan39: developers hate each other
15:30 < clemens3> seems we are #anal again today
15:31 < Dan39> clemens3: keep dreaming
15:31 < pingfloyd> clemens3: what's this "we" business?
15:31 < jim> stop baths, well that's a different story
15:31 < BCMM> jim: is that really an exception? #debian *is* controlled by the Debian Project, even if it's not their primary channel
15:31 < Psi-Jack> Oh no, they still claim to be "blessseD"
15:31 < Psi-Jack> Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. <-- This is the lie. :)
15:31 < Gringonar> Hello
15:31 < FreeFull> Some debian wiki pages do mention freenode, so it's possible the #debian here is still officially sanctioned
15:31 < BluesKaj> that would be a good idea for the debian chat, one for pedantic assh*les and the other for normal users :-)
15:31 < Psi-Jack> I spoke with the RPi Foundation, They do not consider IRC at all.
15:31 < Gringonar> How can i test my sd card write speed reliably?
15:32 < BCMM> i mean, it's not *the* official debian channel, but it's certainly *a* official debian channel
15:32 < jim> clemens3, just explaining what # and ## mean...
15:32 < Gringonar> dd says 616 mb per secod which is not believable
15:32 < jim> BCMM, yeah, I can see that
15:32 < FreeFull> Gringonar: Maybe a combination of dd and a sync afterwards
15:33 < section1> i think dd have fsync
15:33 < BCMM> but yeah there are umpteen violations of that rule on freenode, either for historical reasons or because it's not causing any problems
15:33 < BCMM> or tiny channels where nobody has noticed yet
15:33 < Gringonar> can i disable that?
15:33 < FreeFull> Even if sync is finished, you can't be 100% sure the hardware buffers in your storage device have been all flushed, unfortunately
15:33 < Gringonar> how to do a reliable test?
15:33 < leftyfb> Psi-Jack: there are a couple of RPI devs in #raspberrypi that seem to consider that channel somewhat office. Regardless, why does it matter? If there's only 1 that everyone goes to and uses, why does it matter of the RPI foundation "blesses" it or not?
15:34 < TRS-80> Psi-Jack: I'm not surprised, given how RPi is not really *open* at all, either...
15:34 < ads__> if i do rpm -qa | grep pkgname
15:34 < Gringonar> well 616 write speed and 4.7 gb read speed is untrust worthy
15:34 < ads__> i see packages
15:34 < Psi-Jack> leftyfb: It's not what matters. It's that the Foundation themselves literally do not acknowledge IRC at all. :)
15:34 < ads__> how to get where these rpm is located
15:34 < Psi-Jack> TRS-80: heh, exactly. Then again, RPi can't be "open" due to ARM anyway.
15:35 < Gringonar> i dont know sync
15:35 < section1> Gringonar, check this https://romanrm.net/dd-benchmark too you have other suit test like bonnie++
15:35 < FreeFull> Gringonar: One thing that will increase reliability is transferring a large amount of data for the test, like 1GB
15:35 < Gringonar> i used this https://www.binarytides.com/linux-test-drive-speed/
15:35 < FreeFull> The page section1 linked looks good
15:35 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: 1. it's never really claimed to be open hardware, it just got a lot of attention in the open-source world anyway cos linux box
15:36 < Gringonar> ok ty
15:36 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: 2. arm is the absolute *least* of one's problems with open-source and the pi :)
15:36 < Psi-Jack> heh
15:36 < azarus> thank broadcom
15:37 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: e.g. the boot process (dear god, the boot process...)
15:37 < Psi-Jack> Well, ARM licensing is somewhat convolution by itself. For example, the RPi doesn't have the license for the ARM CPU speculation, so that is not being utilized at all on any RPi model.
15:38 < Psi-Jack> Oi, indeed.
15:38 < hans_> why this significant speed difference between the sender and reciever? o.0
15:38 < hans_> https://i.imgur.com/4xXWeCG.png
15:39 < Raed> hans_: Slower disks maybe?
15:40 < hans_> the disk is capable of some 300MB/s sequential write (which is what it's doing)
15:40 < hans_> on the recieving end
15:40 < BCMM> 1. how much data will Linux hold inside the |? 2. how much data will nc itself buffer (at either end)?
15:40 < Raed> hans_: But you are going to get overhead from the network processing thats going on too..
15:41 < hans_> BCMM, well, the entire file is about 40GB, but the buff size of nc, i have no idea
15:41 < BCMM> hans_: oh! also how much buffer is there *on the network*?
15:41 < Thuryn> BCMM, none
15:41 < BCMM> Thuryn: to which?
15:41 < Thuryn> on the network *itself*, no buffer.
15:41 < hans_> i think i'd have to ask the VMWare devs about that, the source is the VM's host, the target is a VMWare VM
15:42 < Thuryn> there's some buffer in the sending and receiving sockets at either end, though.
15:42 < BCMM> Thuryn: i don't mean the nic, i mean on things responsible for routing
15:42 < Psi-Jack> Also... Windows vs not Windows?
15:42 < Psi-Jack> I notice that cygdrive/c there. :p
15:42 < hans_> Psi-Jack, it's a windows host with Cygwin running a linux VM
15:42 < Thuryn> BCMM, right.  the routers and switches don't buffer traffic for you.
15:42 < hans_> the router is virtual tho
15:42 < Psi-Jack> Exactly my point. :0
15:43 < epicmetal> People still use Cygwin now that WSL is out?
15:43 < Psi-Jack> Windows + VM.
15:43 < BCMM> Thuryn: routers absolutely do buffer packets (often in an entirely counterproductive way, as it happens)
15:43 < Raed> hans_: Either way it is still going to buffer the ethernet traffic, the system has no real way of knowing wther its going to a VM thats local or not.
15:43 < Thuryn> BCMM, only long enough to re-time and transit the packet onto the next hop.
15:43 < BCMM> Thuryn: i wish... https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/bloat/wiki/Introduction/ is a good starting point for this sort of thing
15:43 < hans_> epicmetal, i have 2 friends on win10 that still use cygwin. but https://i.imgur.com/y36p2Xj.png
15:44 < Thuryn> BCMM, but in most contexts, it's safe to ignore those buffers, as the devices won't hold onto that data for very long at all.
15:44 < hans_> (1 of these 2 claim that cygwin does some things better than WSL, but i don't remember the details)
15:44 < Psi-Jack> hans_: Looks totally legit. :p
15:44 < TRS-80> BCMM I came in midway, by nc do you mean Nextcloud? If so, what's the issue? large file?
15:44 < Thuryn> BCMM, there's no trigger to flush THOSE buffers.  they clear the data out as fast as they possibly can.
15:44 < BCMM> TRS-80: netcat
15:45 < hans_> btw, WSL is a totally retarded name, you'd think that none of the WSL devs were fluent in english, or something
15:45 < jimmyjimjim> Hi all.
15:45 < Psi-Jack> Heh, nc ~= nextcloud? Since when? LOL
15:45 < epicmetal> hans_: classy
15:45 < hans_> "Windows Subsystem for Linux" - they got it backwards
15:45 < epicmetal> I think there's NT tradition there
15:46 < hans_> oh? any other examples?
15:46 < epicmetal> There was an OS/2 subsystem, for example
15:46 < epicmetal> NT had subsystems from the beginning
15:46 < Psi-Jack> There was.
15:46 < hans_> was it called `Windows subsystem for OS/2`  or something?
15:46 < epicmetal> Maybe
15:46 < BCMM> TRS-80: basically, situation is dd | nc -> nc -l | dd, and why is dd reporting much more time taken on the receiving machine
15:46 < Psi-Jack> Windows NT OS/2 Subsystem actually.
15:46 < BCMM> hans_: the nt tradition referred to is probably "Windows Services for Unix", which was abbreviated to SFU for some reason
15:47 < hans_> huh
15:48 < BCMM> these days mostly notable for producing an NFS client that still kindasorta works, and a hilarious anecdote about Korn
15:48 < jimmyjimjim> I'm having a peculiar problem running urxvt and wondered if anyone had some advice.  When I run it from keyboard shortcust or menu, it behaves differently to when I run it from inside another terminal emulator (or an instance of urxvt). I've compared the output of SET in each, but apart from things like PIDs and other ephermeral stuff, the only real difference seems tro be the SHLVL env var. Is ther
15:48 < jimmyjimjim> something else I could be looking at to determine how the same thing run from two places can end up behaving differently?  I don't think it's an urxvt issue, just a problem with my understanding of how the processes are launched
15:48 < pingfloyd> hans_: where they screwed up was changing "services" to "subsystem" in the acronym
15:48 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: Yeap, Microsoft basically saying Shut the F*!@ Up ;)
15:48 < BCMM> i'd be shocked if there isn't significant SFU code in WSL
15:49 < hans_> anwyway, now it's at 8.3GB and the sending number is 11.1MB/s, the receving number is 10.8MB/s, much closer
15:49 < section1> looks like a normal 100'mbs network
15:50 < Psi-Jack> Mbps
15:51 < section1> :) that
15:52 < TRS-80> jimmyjimjim: later on when you have some time on your hands: The TTY Demistified http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/
15:55 < hans_> lel, switching the VMWare adapter from NAT to "host-only" mode increased the speed from 11 to 14MB/s, apparently
15:55 < `ani`> hello.
15:56 < Psi-Jack> Oh bleh, VMWare.
15:56 < BCMM> yeah user-mode NAT networking is a piece of cake to set up, but that's about where the advantages end
15:56 < Psi-Jack> That explains everything. :p
15:56 < `ani`> I need to pick the correct/good file system for an external USB drive for backing up my data now and again.
15:56 < hans_> um, in tests done years ago, vmware was much faster than virtualbox at just about everything
15:57 < section1> hans_, try kvm
15:57 < Psi-Jack> Years ago, VirtualBox didn't incorporate qemu/kvm technology.
15:57 < section1> its free
15:57 < Psi-Jack> But, Linux Qemu/KVM, beats the fowl socks off VMWare and VirtualBox even still today.
15:57 < Psi-Jack> And does /more/.
15:58 < Deknos> but the GUI is bad. and libvirt/kvm/qemu is no firstclass citizen or vagrant
15:58 < TRS-80> I read you can barely tell the difference that it's a VM
15:58 < Deknos> gui as in virt-manager
15:58 < TRS-80> like single % overhead
15:58 < Psi-Jack> libvirt is just fine for basic use.
15:58 < Deknos> and having the same technology for mac/windows/linux is very handy...
15:58 < Deknos> libvirt can do VERY much.
15:59 < kalipso> hey, ip a sometimes adds an ":0" or similar to a device name. what does that mean? example:
15:59 < Psi-Jack> virt-manager, too, is just fine for basic use.
15:59 < kalipso>     inet XX.XX.X.178/20 brd XX.XX.XX.255 scope global ib0
15:59 < section1> virt-manager its good.
15:59 < kalipso>     inet XX.XX.X.187/20 brd XX.XX.XX.255 scope global ib0:0
15:59 < Deknos> but if you have to use vagrant, then libvirt is second class citizen :(
15:59 < mcdnl> kalipso: secondary ip
15:59 < Psi-Jack> kalipso: :0 ip aliasing is obsoleted.
15:59 < Deknos> qt-virtmanager is better on features.. but clumsy to use...
15:59 < kalipso> mcdnl: ah thanks
16:00 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: what is state of the art then?
16:00 < Psi-Jack> kalipso: Adding IP aliases the proper way with ip, not ifconfig. :p
16:00 < section1> never i try ovirt(ovirt.org) but looks good
16:00 < Psi-Jack> Meh, oVirt is okay, at best.
16:00 < Psi-Jack> Very restrictive and less flexible than something like Proxmox VE.
16:01 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: sadly i have no influence on that. the output of ip a comes from a big datacenter
16:01 < Psi-Jack> kalipso: A big datacenter of people that did things wrong. Great. :)
16:02 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: maybe yes, maybe no. I mean it is infiniband not just ethernet, maybe there are "reasons" :P
16:02 < Psi-Jack> Definitely /yes/.
16:02 < Psi-Jack> No.
16:02 < Psi-Jack> I noticed it was Infiniband, and that's not a "reason".
16:03 < kalipso> okay i see i see. I can tell you, if i request to change that it would take like 1 year till its done.. but iam thinking about it
16:03 < smuraru> Hi there! I'm trying to send a simple .tar.gz file to an HPC through scp. The usual scp local_file user@address:~/ yet the transfer does not happen. There is a 1-2s delay and then I get this message "declare -x HOME="/export/.../user" where user is my username. And that's it. Do you know what might be causing this? There is no transfer happening :(
16:05 < section1> maybe that ssh server don't support scp (or its disabled)
16:05 < Psi-Jack> smuraru: No need for the ~ on the destination, just user@address: == home
16:06 < Deknos> if there's some cryptic bash error message, perhaps your remote .profile has some misconfiguration? :D
16:06 < Psi-Jack> The ~ gets translated /locally/ before passing the argument to the command.
16:06 < hans_> HPC?
16:06 < smuraru> Ive sent an email to the system admin who told me that... scp is expected to work. @Psi-Jack I've tried, still the same :(
16:07 < section1> smuraru, when do a ssh to the server you see that error?
16:07 < Psi-Jack> smuraru: Well, this looks like a problem of profile, of the user.
16:07 < hans_> smuraru, HPC?
16:07 < smuraru> hans_ HPC stands for High Performance Cluster
16:08 < Psi-Jack> In some worlds, maybe.
16:08 < Raed> section1: it looks to me like the HOME env var isnt defined on the receiving machine.
16:08 < Psi-Jack> Raed: Or is being re-defined, hence the declare.
16:08 < section1> yeah or something worng,
16:08 < smuraru> section1, Psi-Jack : indeed when I ssh to the server I get... a lot of lines that start with "declare -x" followed by variables like DISPLAY, LANG etc.
16:08 < Deknos> what happens if you do 'scp localfile user@address:'
16:08 < Psi-Jack> So, someone did a set -x in the .profile or something.
16:09 < Raed> section1: Log into it with normal ssh and echo $HOME
16:09 < section1> Raed, im not the user with the problem :D
16:09 < Psi-Jack> section1: Do it!
16:09 < section1> :D
16:09 < section1> ok
16:09 < Raed> section1: Ok, well thats where I would start, see if the HOME env var is set.
16:10 < smuraru>  .bash_rc and .bash_profile look ... like default really. hmm
16:10 < section1> heh
16:10 < Psi-Jack> smuraru: Might even be in /etc/profile.d
16:10 < Psi-Jack> Or /etc/bashrc, /etc/profile, many places. ;)
16:12 < Gringonar> the order in which dependecies are installed is important?
16:12 < Psi-Jack> ldlework: FYI. I spun up NixOS in a VM last night. The Live graphical installation CD. So far, my impression is not at all good.
16:13 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: Somewhat.
16:13 < smuraru> Considering that I as a user dont have administrator privileges, so I could only mess up my own bashrc or bash profile (while look fine...) would you say I should count on the administrator fixing this...? Or is there somehwere else I could look?
16:13 < Gringonar> when installing xorg-server i get harbuzz will be installed before freetype2
16:13 < Psi-Jack> smuraru: Take a look at /etc/ stuff.
16:13 < Gringonar> can i specify the order?
16:13 < gronke> what's going on here? https://paste.pound-python.org/show/2kqxveeHX4DsDgzrZ7C4/
16:14 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: Eh? Why... Do you care?
16:14 < Gringonar> misconfigurations?
16:14 < Psi-Jack> Vague.
16:15 < Raed> section1: Somehow I got you and smuraru mixed up and I just realized it rofl
16:15 < Gringonar> if the harbuzz needs to configure freetype2 before it should be installed bla blah blah
16:15 < section1> yeah no problem Raed :D
16:15 < akk> gronke: Probably that program has a run file somewhere that you have to delete. Some programs are like that, they check for a file but not for the running process that created it.
16:15 < gronke> akk, how would i try to find that?
16:16 < akk> gronke: You could google on the program name, or do strings on the program's binary and look for things that look like filenames
16:16 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: You're making no sense. :)
16:16 < akk> or look for *programname* in ~ ~/.config ~/.cache /tmp and any other place you can think of
16:16 < wermaxta> hi hi hi i need help with SimpleHTTPServer and wget
16:16 < wermaxta> pls
16:16 < Psi-Jack> wermaxta: Standard English, please. "pls" is not actually a word.
16:17 < Gringonar> im linux noob
16:17 < Gringonar> im suposed to make no sence
16:17 < ayecee> you're nailing it
16:17 < Gringonar> im not familiar with the process
16:17 < section1> hehe
16:18 < Gringonar> all i know is last time i installed xorg i had font issues
16:18 < pingfloyd> sounds like you didn't install it right
16:18 < Gringonar> harbuzz and freetype deal with them so...
16:18 < Psi-Jack> And what distribution did you have these font issues on, and what distrobution are you using now?
16:18 < Gringonar> Archlinux
16:18 < storge> shocker
16:19 < pingfloyd> haha
16:19 < Psi-Jack> IKR!
16:19 < wermaxta> Psi-Jack: please :)
16:19 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: Arch Linux is not for newboes.
16:19 < pingfloyd> arch users can't even get malware right
16:19 < Gringonar> well i get a little farther every time
16:19 < pingfloyd> too soon?
16:19 < Gringonar> i get xfce4 atleast working now
16:19 < Psi-Jack> Gringonar: Perhaps... Try a distro that doesn't require expert level knowledge to actually use.
16:19 < ayecee> wermaxta: describe problem, then someone may help
16:19 < Nexilva> Good morning
16:19 < Gringonar> cant
16:19 < Gringonar> none work
16:19 < Psi-Jack> Yes you can.
16:19 < storge> get a little further each time, and one of these times you'll have an operating system.
16:19 < Gringonar> only archlinux works
16:19 < Nexilva> How's everyone doing?
16:20 < Psi-Jack> I call bullshit.
16:20 < triceratux> Gringonar: i did that in 10sec by booting swagarch. there is arch that works out there, its just taking some time
16:20 < pingfloyd> Gringonar: sounds like it is working real good for you
16:20 < storge> "only arch linux works" is kinda like saying "only politicians are honest"
16:20 < spreeuw> even on ubuntu you need expert knowledge occasionally
16:20 < Psi-Jack> storge: Ouch. :)
16:20 < spreeuw> to get your destop just right tm
16:20 < jimmyjimjim> TRS-80: (belated) Thanks. I'll have a read!
16:21 < Gringonar> its working fone im just not an expert yet
16:21 < triceratux> Gringonar: there were half a dozen ISOs that simply wouldnt boot on your hardware ?
16:21 < Gringonar> fine*
16:21 < Gringonar> so im sure im screwing it up
16:21 < pingfloyd> I'm sure you are too
16:21 < wermaxta> i start python -m SimpleHTTPServer Serving HTTP on 0.0.0.0 port 8000 but but when i start wget MY IP :8000/file.php i get this
16:21 < wermaxta> Connecting to MY IP:8000... failed: No route to host.
16:21 < Gringonar> ubuntu = kernel panic debian = boot error (maybe kernel panic)
16:22 < Psi-Jack> wermaxta: Looks like a network issue.
16:22 < pingfloyd> Gringonar: what boot error?
16:22 < triceratux> Nexilva: im great. gave up on solus & getting ready to boot the altlinux sisyphus xfce weekly
16:22 < wermaxta> Psi-Jack: yes  i check for solution in google but no luck
16:22 < Gringonar> but you are saying it shouldnt matterin what order packages should be installed?
16:23 < Psi-Jack> wermaxta: Google isn't magic.
16:23 < wermaxta> Psi-Jack: can you help me please
16:23 < Gringonar> pingfloyd: https://imgur.com/a/3enTCXa
16:24 < triceratux> Gringonar: those boot errors sound highly suspicious. "solve the right problem before booting arch" --me
16:24 < Gringonar> thats debian
16:24 < Psi-Jack> wermaxta: That would require more information. Details. Less vague, more info.
16:24 < Gringonar> https://imgur.com/a/a9c94pg is ubuntu 18.04
16:24 < Nexilva> I can't get Xfce4 to launch xmodmap on startup to modify Menu to Super_L. It doesn't read .xinitrc or .xsession rc. I have put xmodmap -e "Menu = Super_L" which works from bash, and from a bash script, but I put this bash script as a startup file in Xfce4 and that also doesn't bind the key, to test whether the script worked/launched on startup, I touched a file in /tmp/blah.txt from the script, and that file
16:24 < Nexilva> is created. Finally I had to create an .Xmodmap in ~, and put keycode 135 = Super_L and in .bashrc I had to put xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap. Now, I have to open a terminal and then .bashrc maps it, but it still now depends on a terminal being open. Is there any way to get the Xfce4 DE to launch this xmodmap on startup so that a terminal opening is not required?
16:24 < wermaxta> Psi-Jack: can i type you on private
16:24 < Psi-Jack> Noi.
16:25 < Nexilva> triceratux: you're an Xfce4 guru, know anything about this issue?
16:25 < BCMM> wermaxta: did you run python and wget on the same machine, or different machines?
16:25 < BCMM> wermaxta: and how did you find your ip address?
16:25 < Nexilva> I've also tried .Xprofile and the command doesn't get read from that either
16:25 < Gringonar> triceratux: highly suspecius?
16:26 < Nexilva> Thank you for reading that insanely long time. Perhaps I should have broken it up into many lines, eh Psi-Jack
16:26 < BCMM> wermaxta: if you're on a lan, and you got the address by typing "what is my ip address" in to google, then that won't work, for example.
16:26 < Psi-Jack> Nope. Nexilva That was fine.
16:26 < triceratux> Nexilva: yep i have my own script that executes my xmodmap. the .xinitrc & all that cant really be relied upon any more. what distro ?
16:27 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: you're using lightdm huh?
16:27 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: yes I am, Linux Mint 19
16:27 < Nexilva> Xfce4 edition
16:27 < Nexilva> triceratux: care to share how you did it?
16:27 < pingfloyd> instead of using your .bashrc, you'd usually use your .profile
16:27 < pingfloyd> but lightdm won't source the .profile
16:27 < Awoca> okakakakakakakakakakaka.
16:28 < wermaxta> BCMM: i'm using openvpn and i want to download something to another machine
16:28 < triceratux> xmodmap ${HOME}/.Xmodmap
16:28 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: you could have your .xsessionrc source your ~/.profile
16:28 < Gringonar> What's suspicious about the errors?
16:28 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: then put your keycode hack in your .profile
16:28 < Nexilva> Interesting.
16:28 < BCMM> wermaxta: any chance you can just post the real error message? if it's a LAN ip, then it's not private, and if it's your global IP, we already have it
16:28 < wermaxta> BCMM: i'm using tun0 IP
16:29 < Psi-Jack> wermaxta: So, why are you even using Python's SimpleHTTP, and not scp?
16:29 < BCMM> wermaxta: what's clear so far is that this *isn't* a problem with wget or python's web server - "no route to host" is a lower-level problem than that
16:29 < BCMM> Psi-Jack, see above...
16:29 < Psi-Jack> Yep.
16:29 < section1> looks like a missing route in the vpn
16:29 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: if .xsessionrc is being read by Xfce4, then xmodmap there directly should work, yes? The directive is in there, for xmodmap, but still doesn't bind the key.
16:29 < triceratux> Gringonar: ubuntu 18.04 should not be incurring that diagnostic looking a kernel panic. something very strange is up
16:29 < BCMM> wermaxta: either your vpn isn't working, or you're not using the correct ip address
16:29 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: if the commands in .xsessionrc are being launched, then xmodmap there should work?
16:29 < Psi-Jack> Nothing that explains why http instead of scp. ;p
16:30 < Nexilva> .xsessionrc already has xmodmap -e "keysym Menu = Super_R"
16:30 < alexandre9099> can fans of ryzen 7 1700 cpu be controlled via software?
16:30 < alexandre9099> sensors reports a fan at 0 RPM always :D
16:30 < Nexilva> But that doesn't get read/launched etc. (key is not bound)
16:30 < BCMM> wermaxta: what the error actually means is that your operating system does not know how to route traffic to the address you've given. now, is there an actual privacy issue with posting the ip in question? it sounds like it's an internal vpn address anyway...
16:31 < Awoca> Nexilva: Stop jacking off to resolv.conf.
16:31 < alphawarrior> Hello everyone. How can I silence the "Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:"s there are like a 200 lines of those and it's really annoying to read them all the time I launch a gui app from the terminal.
16:31 < Nexilva> What?
16:31 < Nexilva> Awoca: why are you addressing me?
16:31 < Nexilva> Nickname misfire?
16:31 < Psi-Jack> Nexilva: Possible troll.
16:31 < BCMM> alexandre9099: CPUs don't have fans. motherboards have fans.
16:31 < triceratux> Nexilva: ive also got a *.desktop that executes a startup script independently of the classical X11 / xfce startup. thats a good place for an xmodmap which is guaranteed to be executed once the desktop is fully initialised
16:32 < Raed> Probable troll, no body has even mentioned resolv.conf..
16:32 < Nexilva> triceratux: location? and file syntax? please share.
16:32 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: .xsessionrc is sourced, not executed
16:32 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: I see.
16:32 < pingfloyd> look at /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40x11-common_xsessionrc
16:32 < esselfe> Nexilva: considered setting .Xmodmap?
16:32 < triceratux> -rwxr-xr-x 1 lubuntu lubuntu 187 Sep  8  2013 dtinit.desktop
16:33 < Nexilva> so at bottom of .xsessionrc put ` source ~/.profile `
16:33 < alexandre9099> BCMM, well, the fan atached to the CPU ;) mobo refers to it as the CPU fan
16:33 < Nexilva> ?
16:33 < Nexilva> and in ~/.profile put xmodmap command?
16:33 < Psi-Jack> No!
16:33 < Nexilva> Doh!
16:33 < BCMM> alexandre9099: i wasn't just trying to be pedantic, it's the motherboard that's responsible for controlling it.
16:33 < Nexilva> Sorry, slightly confused by all this.
16:34 < Psi-Jack> .profile should not include ANYTHING related something that depends on X being running, like xmodmap.
16:34 < Nexilva> Well, then how can I get Xfce4 to do the thing I need it to do?
16:34 < alexandre9099> BCMM, i see, but then, how can i controll it ?
16:34 < esselfe> no, if you don't have ~/.Xmodmap create it with 'xmodmap -pk > ~/.Xmodmap and edit this
16:34 < Nexilva> It works in Xmonad session just fine, .xinitrc and .xsessionrc are sourced, but in Xfce4 they are not.
16:34 < Psi-Jack> Nexilva: esselfe mentioned .Xmodmap
16:34 < Awoca> Blatantcy will get you nowhere.  Now where's my cheese?
16:35 < triceratux> Nexilva: i dont put my xmodmap in the dtinit because it only gets run once http://pastebin.centos.org/942506/raw/ sometimes i have to run the xmodmap more than once in a session so i actually have it in a user executed script
16:35 < Nexilva> Psi-Jack: read my original long time, .Xmodmap is containing the keycode directive
16:35 < Psi-Jack> !ops Awoca Nonsense troll
16:35 < esselfe> Nexilva: you can use xev to retrieve the exact keycode
16:35 < Nexilva> But I have to launch that from .bashrc
16:35 < Nexilva> esselfe: 135
16:35 < Nexilva> esselfe: please read my original quy.
16:35 < BCMM> alexandre9099: try the fancontrol command/package
16:35 < Nexilva> I would rather not repeat everything over again, and you'll be caught up to date on what all I've done
16:35 < Nexilva> query*
16:36 < esselfe> ok I didn't follow everything, all I know is you've been trying for couple hours, sorry
16:36 < Nexilva> Np. I've done all that you mentioned.
16:36 < BCMM> alexandre9099: note that, depending on hardware, there may or may not actually be a facility for software control. that is to say, some mobos just have you set fan ramps in the bios/uefi menu, and do it all completely opaquely
16:37 < Awoca> BCMM: That makes no sense.  What are you trying to do?
16:37 < Nexilva> I can't get Xfce4 to launch xmodmap on startup to modify Menu to Super_L. It doesn't read .xinitrc or .xsession rc. I have put xmodmap -e "Menu = Super_L" which works from bash, and from a bash script, but I put this bash script as a startup file in Xfce4 and that also doesn't bind the key, to test whether the script worked/launched on startup, I touched a file in /tmp/blah.txt from the script, and that file
16:37 < Nexilva> is created. Finally I had to create an .Xmodmap in ~, and put keycode 135 = Super_L and in .bashrc I had to put xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap. Now, I have to open a terminal and then .bashrc maps it, but it still now depends on a terminal being open. Is there any way to get the Xfce4 DE to launch this xmodmap on startup so that a terminal opening is not required?
16:37 < Nexilva> esselfe: ^
16:37 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: did you try putting:   keycode 135 = Super_R    in your ~/.Xmodmap?
16:37 < Nexilva> That's where I am currently, trying to find a solution better than what I've got.
16:37 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: yes.
16:37 < alexandre9099> oh, yea, i forgot that i can change the speed based on temp in the BIOS/UEFI, thx for remembering me about that :)
16:37 < pingfloyd> that's enough to do it for me
16:37 < pingfloyd> I do the same thing as you and remap the menu key to super_r
16:38 < Nexilva> It's there right now. Which is what I do in .bashrc (xmodmap .Xmodmap) and that works, but it depends on myself opening a terminal first, so .bashrc gets launched.
16:38 < pzn> how can I know partition sector begin/end when fdisk does not show? https://paste.linux.community/view/cd5d8926
16:38 < esselfe> xfce has a gui setup application for startup services & program, look in the menu
16:38 < Nexilva> I want to NOT have to depend on .bashrc (to open a terminal first) so xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap can be launched.
16:39 < Nexilva> esselfe: did that as well, as I stated, that also doesn't work, even from a custom bash script in xfce4 startup programs.
16:39 < pingfloyd> so your problem is that ~/.Xmodmap doesn't get picked up like it normally should
16:39 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: correct
16:39 < Awoca> http://techcrunch.com will give you the latest scoop.  Also, check out http://crunchbase.com.
16:39 < pingfloyd> it comes back to xinit and its mess
16:39 < esselfe> Nexilva: then all I see is to create a new systemd unit
16:39 < Nexilva> Linux Mint 19 xfce4
16:39 < Nexilva> esselfe: really?
16:40 < Nexilva> esselfe: example, please.
16:40 < esselfe> I guess, systemd handles init stuff right?
16:40 < Nexilva> esselfe: post Xorg? I don't know.
16:40 < esselfe> Nexilva, just copy a fulfilled unit already existing and adjust the parameters
16:40 < Dominian> Awoca:
16:40 < Awoca> Yes?
16:40 < Dominian> Awoca: stick to the topic, and stop posting random crap
16:40 < esselfe> then call 'systemd daemon-reload'
16:41 < esselfe> *systemctl sorry
16:41 < Nexilva> esselfe: that's too hacky, for now. I'd like to have Xorg solve this
16:41 < Awoca> What are you gonna do about it if I don't?
16:41 < Nexilva> Awoca: ban you.
16:41 < ayecee> :o
16:41 < Nexilva> He has Dominian over this realm!
16:41 < Nexilva> Like Shang Tsung
16:41 < ayecee> or mr rogers
16:41 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: check your /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc
16:41 < Nexilva> Raiden has no powers here!
16:41 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: ok
16:42 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: mine has "test -r $HOME/.Xmodmap && xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap" in it
16:42 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: that file exists. What shall I check for>
16:42 < Nexilva> ok
16:42 < Nexilva> I too, have that.
16:43 < Awoca> I'll talk to you later, Dominian.  Perhaps, we can make arrangements for a deal.  Laterz.
16:44 < hans_> does b2sum generate blake2b or blake2s hashes?
16:44 < Dominian> uh huh
16:45 < metanovii> hi \o
16:45 < rain1> what's agetty?
16:45 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: also check ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
16:45 < hans_> guess i should ask the package mantainer that, hrm
16:45 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: ok
16:45 < Psi-Jack> heh
16:45 < Psi-Jack> Dominian++
16:45 < pingfloyd> too many damn xinitrcs
16:45 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: no such file!
16:45 < ayecee> let's not be too hasty. we can arrange to consider a deal.
16:45 < metanovii> i need help with etcd + confd. I put some keys to etcd, but confd cen not get them.
16:45 < ice9> is it recommended to have swap as double as the ram size or same size is fine?
16:45 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: it's evil powers! Darth Xorg!
16:46 < Psi-Jack> ice9: No more than 2 GB swap.
16:46 < ice9> Psi-Jack, even if the ram is 8GB ?
16:46 < BCMM> ice9: if you want to hibernate the machine, i'd usually go for same size as RAM
16:46 < Psi-Jack> Especially if.
16:46 < Psi-Jack> You can do less even with hibernation.
16:47 < ice9> Psi-Jack, i don't understand why no more than  2 GB
16:47 < Nexilva> I have 4gb of ram, and 8 gb swap space, and I had some trouble resuming from suspend. I still have to figure that out, but after I get the dang xmodmap to work.
16:47 < BCMM> rain1: agetty is a getty implementation. a "getty" is the program in unix that asks you for your username and password before you log in
16:47 < smuraru> Hi guys! I've solved my previous problem (in case you remember me from 15-30 mins ago - the HPC scp thing - had a newline in my .bashrc file which was causing the error). I'm trying to compile something which requires a GDK_PATH, but I'm not much of a linux guru. Where should I find that? I tried 'whereis', 'echo' and 'find' with gdk, GDK_PATH, GDK - I get nothing. Can someone help me out? I really appreciate it
16:47 < rain1> i see
16:47 < BCMM> rain1: (on a tty session, though. the GUI equivalent is part of the "display manager")
16:48 < ananke> smuraru: echo would show it
16:48 < NoirX> hello
16:48 < ananke> smuraru: echo $GDK_PATH
16:48 < Psi-Jack> ice9: What's not to understand about it? Swap is not RAM. Swap is paged-out memory that cannot be access again until it's paged back into active RAM. This is slow, VERY slow. When you have too much swap and slow disks, and you actually consume a majority of it if not all, you will be in swap hell.
16:48 < rain1> where could i find the soucer code?
16:48 < storge> after making zram devices, i kept swap around just in case, but i haven't seen it touched in ages. i should just reclaim the swap space at this point.
16:48 < rumpel> ice9, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to have swap much bigger than the limit in /sys/power/image_size
16:49 < storge> swap hell, i like that
16:49 < BCMM> rain1: looks like it's part of util-linux these days
16:49 < rain1> ok thank you
16:49 < `ani`> I need to know what the best file system to use for a backup HDD (USB) is.
16:49 < `ani`> I'm thinking of JFS.
16:49 < smuraru> ananke: therefore if echo $GDK_PATH returns a blank line it means... there's no GDK?
16:49 < Psi-Jack> JFS? But... Why?
16:50 < pingfloyd> you get into swap hell when you don't have enough ram for what you need.
16:50 < `ani`> Psi-Jack: just from readings.
16:50 < `ani`> or BtrFS.
16:50 < Psi-Jack> So the two most unreliable filesystems.
16:50 < `ani`> how so?
16:50 < storge> good backup
16:50 < Psi-Jack> LOl
16:50 < Psi-Jack> For starters, BtrFS isn't even deemed stable yet.
16:50 < `ani`> stable as in...?
16:51 < Psi-Jack> JFS, while it's been around a long time. Not many people really... Use it.
16:51 < pzn> how can I get begin/end sectors for a device partition?
16:51 < `ani`> XFS seems unreliable, JFS seemed good.
16:51 < Psi-Jack> ext4 and XFS, on the other hand, those are tested hard, and found to be quite solid.
16:51 < storge> pzn fdisk -l
16:51 < pzn> storge, fdisk -l shows 3 partitions, but I have 5... how can this be?  https://paste.linux.community/view/cd5d8926
16:52 < `ani`> how unsolid are JFS and BtrFS?
16:52 < `ani`> in what respects?
16:52 < Nexilva> :( stupid xfce4.
16:52 < ice9> rumpel, so if the 8 GB of ram are all utilized and the image_size is about 3 GB, how the data will be written to the disk when hibernating?
16:52 < dgurney> JFS has always been trouble-free for me
16:53 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: im still wondering about my failed solus3 grub2 boot. is it possible its because all my partitions are ext2 ? should i pass the solus3 kernel an insmod for ext2 ? maybe thats why it cant read the initrd
16:53 < storge> pzn: you asked fdisk to show you only that device
16:53 < dgurney> as has btrfs as well
16:53 < storge> just: fdisk -l
16:53 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: Or you could stop doing wierd things. :)
16:53 < storge> not: fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
16:53  * triceratux likes his ext2 partitios
16:53 < triceratux> *partitions
16:54 < esselfe> Nexilva: try fluxbox?
16:54 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: yep thats why i dont ask a lot of questions in here. im well aware im doing so many weird things i have to solve most of my own problems ;)
16:54 < pingfloyd> why ext2 and not ext4?
16:54 < `ani`> dgurney: which of those two would you use as a backup?
16:54 < `ani`> for a backup HDD?
16:54 < Nexilva> esselfe: ew.
16:55 < Nexilva> Gonna try something I have not yet, in Xfce4 startup apps, add another .desktop entry for '
16:55 < Nexilva> xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap
16:55 < Nexilva> see if that works
16:55 < pingfloyd> esselfe: why would he downgrade to fluxbox from xfwm?
16:55 < triceratux> pingfloyd: tbh because most of the activity is readonly like serving isos & packages so i dont believe i need the overhead of journalling. yes im aware its weird
16:55 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: Xmonad, not xfwm
16:56 < Nexilva> :)
16:56 < Nexilva> In the Xmonad session, .xsessionrc and .xinitrc are read properly, and xmodmap launches fine. In Xfce4 session, that's where my problem is.
16:56 < Nexilva> But let's try this new solution see if it works. brb
16:58 < Psi-Jack> `ani`: I mean, if you're only choosing between those two.. JFS for sure.
16:58 < `ani`> Psi-Jack: why JFS?
16:58 < dgurney> `ani`, probably btrfs because of its compression feature. either way, make sure you have more than 1 backup of important stuff regardless of FS
16:58 < Psi-Jack> Because JFS came from IBM from OS/2.
16:58 < Psi-Jack> And has been around a LOT longer, and considered stable.
16:58 < `ani`> dgurney: you mean an additional HDD?
16:59 < Nexilva> nope, it does not work. I added a new entry in Xfce4 Startup Apps, to launch 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' and restarted X and it still doesn't work!
16:59 < `ani`> or do you mean two copies of a tarball or the like?
16:59 < Nexilva> Goshdarnitdangnabbit.
16:59 < pzn> storge, /dev/mmcblk0boot0 is a partition of /dev/mmcblk0, so I should do fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
17:00 < milpool> does anybody know a quick, minimal discovery method for a device in a network? i plug a raspi in my home network and i don't know the IP. and there is no way to look on the dhcp server..
17:00 < dgurney> `ani`, I mean having more than one copy of irreplaceable data, be it on different HDDs or maybe even a cloud service
17:00 < Psi-Jack> milpool: Why is there "no way to look on the dhcp server?"
17:01 < pingfloyd> milpool: use a dhcp client
17:01 < `ani`> dgurney: okay so BtrFS has a compression feature, I don't clearly remember all the reasons for JFS but IBM was a clear reason.
17:01 < `ani`> can't remember what pros I read.
17:01 < Psi-Jack> Though JFS's author doesn't work for IBM anymore.
17:01 < pzn> milpool, I run this command with cable unplugged, then plug and run again, then I see which IP has appeared. change the IP range to your network range.  fping -g 192.168.1.1 192.168.1.254 2>&1 | grep alive | sort -n
17:02 < `ani`> Psi-Jack: good.
17:02 < Nexilva> # custom xmodmap hack
17:02 < Nexilva> xmodmap -e "keysym Menu = Super_R"
17:02 < Nexilva> I put this in /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc
17:02 < Nexilva> *sigh*
17:02 < ice9> is the OOM really working? i faced so many times of out or memory conditions and no apps were killed and I had to hard reset the machine because it's not responsive
17:02 < Nexilva> let's see if that works...
17:02 < milpool> pzn: so basically a ping sweep
17:02 < Psi-Jack> ice9: OOM works, yes.
17:03 < Nexilva> Wow. Even that doesn't work,
17:03 < milpool> pingfloyd: the device is using a dhcp client. it also gets an ip address. but how do i know which one?
17:03 < Nexilva> What the living bejeezus is going on!>
17:03 < pzn> milpool, yes. one ping scan with cable unplugged and one ping scan with cable plugged. that simple ;-)
17:03 < Psi-Jack> milpool: Or, plug in a monitor and keyboard.
17:03 < Psi-Jack> Too easy!
17:03 < `ani`> I think I read that JFS was reliable... unsure, I'm gonna investigate once more.
17:05 < triceratux> Nexilva: i couldnt live without my .Xmodmap http://pastebin.centos.org/942711/raw/ & i gave up on .xinitrc right around the same time xorg did
17:05 < Nexilva> *nod*
17:06 < Nexilva> Xfce4 just won't start xmodmap, from anywhere. I've just about tried everything.
17:06 < `ani`> JFS "said to be fast".
17:06 < Nexilva> I'm about to be annoyed.
17:06 < Nexilva> :(
17:06 < triceratux> yep thats why i put it in a user script long ago
17:06 < `ani`> BTRFS "upcoming replacement for EXT4".
17:07 < pingfloyd> in 2100?
17:07 < dgurney> `ani`, yes, I've heard that JFS has good overall performance as well as low CPU use even under heavy loads. never did any real comparisons to confirm this, but I have no reason to doubt it
17:07 < `ani`> okay thanks.
17:07 < Nexilva> triceratux: where is the userscript being launched from?
17:07 < triceratux> its not part of the system, or the shell, or the specific de. its part of x11 or at the outside part of a generic xdg desktop. thats where its invocation has to go
17:07 < `ani`> I'm considering BTRFS since I'll only do backup writes once a week.
17:08 < Nexilva> triceratux: I too have it in a script, and added that script as a .desktop entry in autostart, it still no dice
17:08 < `ani`> it will not be a performance demanding task, I have plenty of time the whole day.
17:08 < pingfloyd> `ani`: it's more like are there any advantages left to using jfs instead of ext4
17:08 < Nexilva> triceratux: btw, you're mapping numpad keys to arrowkeys?
17:08 < triceratux> Nexilva: i go ahead & do what you abhor. i dont consider my system up until ive opened an xterm of some kind & executed one script from the cli. thats where i put my xmodmap
17:08 < `ani`> pingfloyd: one advantage is that it doesn't have digit afterwards...
17:08 < triceratux> Nexilva: sure am
17:09 < Nexilva> triceratux: yup, same as me then. I have to depend on a term being open in order to .bashrc to launch my script
17:09 < Nexilva> *sigh*
17:09 < Nexilva> Sometimes I hate Linux stuff.
17:09 < pingfloyd> put in the the startup and session
17:09 < Nexilva> no dice.
17:09 < spreeuw> start an interactive shell
17:09 < spreeuw> in the background
17:10 < pingfloyd> under application autostart his is call your script that executes the xmodmap command
17:10 < dgurney> `ani`, a fine choice. just make sure you mount with the compression option so you can fit a little bit more data on the drive
17:10 < Nexilva> I've tried everything I could think of there, I've added my custom script, and Xmodmap, and etc.
17:10 < eviladmin> Nexilva: what are you doing with xmodmap?
17:10 < Nexilva> pingfloyd:  did that
17:10 < eviladmin> (,bashrc is the totally wrong place)
17:10 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: did you log out and back in?
17:10 < Nexilva> eviladmin: scroll up, I'm tired of repeating sorry
17:10 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: yes of coruse
17:10 < triceratux> i keep it out of the .bashrc tho. i try as much as possible to leave all the system resources configured as vanilla. thats why i have no issues with startups, systemd, x11, resolv.conf. if i need something done i script it myself somewhere
17:11 < dgurney> `ani`, *compress option
17:11 < eviladmin> Nexilva: I just see you trying to call xmodmap, not what sepcificly you are trying to do with it
17:12 < eviladmin> if you just want to swap keys there are often overlays for that already
17:12 < Nexilva> it's alright, I modified xfce4 keyshorts to open terminal with ctrl+shift+enter, at least now on the right hand I can open a term and then menu gets mapped with xmodmap from .bashrc
17:12 < searedvandal> xterm -e xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap in xfce startup applications should do the trick
17:12 < Nexilva> eviladmin: I apologize, I am just not about to repeat everything over again.
17:12 < eviladmin> see /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
17:12 < pingfloyd> Nexilva: maybe just take the display manager out of the picture completely, then you'll have more control over xinit
17:13 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: I'm thinking about that.
17:13 < Nexilva> Is there any reason to believe that 'xdm' will honor .xsessionrc or .xinitrc ?
17:13 < Nexilva> instead of lightdm?
17:13 < pingfloyd> I got fed up with dilemmas like this on one of my systems and did away with the dm
17:13 < pingfloyd> you don't really need a dm if you're not sharing the computer
17:13 < Nexilva> I'm not sharing.
17:14 < triceratux> Nexilva: this has been my solution since way back. http://pastebin.centos.org/942746/raw/ to me linux isnt something you install & customise. its something you drive from without. im basically running it on traditional hardware taking advantage of the experience of the embedded / live engineers
17:14 < pingfloyd> I have it set to where if I login with my normal user on tty1 it automatically starts up X
17:14 < Nexilva> pingfloyd: I see
17:14 < pingfloyd> any other user on that tty it goes to the console
17:14 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: do you know if ip aliasing is allways represented by that ":*" or can it look different?
17:15 < pingfloyd> and the normal user on any other tty goes to the console
17:15 < pingfloyd> I can over course always invoke startx in any tty regardless
17:15 < Psi-Jack> kalipso: Back in the old ifconfig days, that's how ioctl calls handled IP aliases. In iproute2 days, a single network device can have multiple aliases on it and ip a will show them.
17:15 < pingfloyd> for awhile I took it a step farther and made it automatically log into tty1 and startx under that user
17:16 < Nexilva> Hm. I think I mightjust use the Xmonad session instead of the Xfce4 session. All I need are power settings and brightness keys. I could script something in bash and have it launch in the Xmonad session which starts xfce4 services for me.
17:16 < Nexilva> That's a possibility? Maybe>
17:17 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: yeah, i mean i use ip a only and i see ib0 and ib0:0. iam writing a tool where i have to clean up that ip aliasing and for now iam just deleting everything from ':' to the end of the string. i just dont know if this will catch every case
17:17 < triceratux> Nexilva: yep thats what i do when i replace XFWM4 with IceWM. theres just a couple xfce4 tasks the session has to start, particularly to keep the settings dialogues working ;)
17:17 < Nexilva> But this solution works fine too, where Xfce4 keyboard shortcut is added for right ctrl+ shift+ enter to open a terminal, and then .bashrc calls xmodmap
17:17 < Nexilva> triceratux: I'll check that out instead then. For now, breakfast.
17:18 < Nexilva> Goodbye.
17:18 < Nexilva> And thanks for all the fish!
17:19 < eviladmin> xfce lets you run arbitary commands on starup
17:19 < eviladmin> use that instead of .bashrc
17:19 < triceratux> np. the celebrated xfsettingsd. & youll have powermanagement on xmonad on mintxfce on a laptop. thatll work
17:20 < kalipso> Psi-Jack: nevermind, i have to go offline, sorry if u started typing allready
17:20 < kalipso> bb
17:20 < Psi-Jack> "you" :p
17:22 < mustu> Guys which timestamp format is this known as ? >> 4/15/2014 3:16:00 PM
17:22 < Psi-Jack> Unusual question for a Linux channel...
17:23 < mustu> related to timestamps found in log
17:23 < ayecee> i don't think that one has a particular name
17:23 < Dominian> Sounds like.. a school question almost
17:24 < mustu> lolz.. nah
17:24 < mustu> I'm working on a log sampel to import into elk
17:24 < eviladmin> mustu: there is no standard for that
17:24 < eviladmin> there are*
17:25 < mustu> trying to figure out gork pattenr
17:25 < eviladmin> mustu: the common name for it is "wtf is wrong with americans"
17:25 < eviladmin> :p
17:25 < Psi-Jack> gork huh? heh
17:25 < mustu> Dominian but yeah it sounded like a homework ;) .
17:25 < Dominian> heh
17:25 < Dominian> We'll get a flood of homework questions come august
17:26  * Psi-Jack sharpens his swords.
17:26 < mustu> eviladmin true... developers have created hundreds of timestamp formats
17:27 < mustu> so I'm trying to deal with the AM/PM thingy ...tying to convert into 24hour format
17:28 < eviladmin> mustu: strptime / fancy datetime parsers should be able to deal with it just fine
17:28 < mustu> I've to do using gork patterns
17:28 < eviladmin> mustu: probelm is that it is naive, so you have no idea which timezone it is in
17:28 < eviladmin> so good luck with that
17:28 < eviladmin> problem*
17:28 < Psi-Jack> mustu: It's grok, not gork.
17:29 < fire2199> i'm trying to use gpg-agent, but does it store information to keep a keyring open once it was open to avoid having to re-enter the password?
17:29 < mustu> timezone is altogether missing in this format... that's what I've to infer from the log source computer
17:29 < pingfloyd> eviladmin: at least drive on the right side of the road.
17:29 < Dr_Coke> Psi-Jack hi
17:29 < Dr_Coke> hi pingfloyd rindolf triceratux jim
17:29 < eviladmin> pingfloyd: I do drive on the right side of the road
17:29 < mustu> Psi-Jack sorry yeah i do misspell it
17:29 < Dr_Coke> BluesKaj
17:29 < pingfloyd> hi Dr_Coke
17:29 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: i got yer lubuntu 18.10 lxqt screenshot with the menuing http://i.imgur.com/x00megh.jpg
17:29 < Psi-Jack> Dr_Coke: moshi moshi.
17:30 < Dr_Coke> pingfloyd  I think I need a shower I can smell myself
17:30 < eviladmin> pingfloyd: my country is more sivilized than the brits, so I don't have to be ready to whack people in the face with a sword as I drive past them at all times
17:30 < strixdio> So, I'm kinda thinkin' about using arch for work.
17:30 < strixdio> not sure if that's a good idea or not :P
17:30 < Psi-Jack> eviladmin: All while insulting all Americans? :p
17:30 < Dr_Coke> triceratux is that up and running on your desktop?
17:31 < eviladmin> https://i.imgur.com/PzlsQC3.png
17:31 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: thats what it looks like right now right down to the xfishtank ftw
17:31 < eviladmin> Psi-Jack: for their mm/dd/yy insanity, sure
17:31 < Dr_Coke> triceratux so you are actually running that?
17:31 < djph> eviladmin: you're just jealous.
17:31 < BluesKaj> Hey Dr_Coke
17:31 < Psi-Jack> eviladmin: Head or gut?
17:32 < Dr_Coke> and that is a screenshot of your desktop?
17:32 < Dr_Coke> How's life BluesKaj
17:32 < eviladmin> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bc/64/bd/bc64bd1bf437de12ca2189f50a137074.jpg  :p
17:32 < kevr> I'm using iproute2, systemd-networkd, wpa_supplicant (and dhcpcd for debugging). I'm connecting via wireless AP to a network which has a Domain Controller DHCP server on it. This hands out an IP address to me, along with a number of classless static routes. Problem: It does not actually hand out a default gateway route to me. Though, on many other devices (also Linux-based) the same DHCP server seems to hand
17:33 < BluesKaj> it's ok here Dr_Coke, how about you?
17:33 < Dr_Coke> Yeah it's alright here to
17:33 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: hi
17:34 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: yep & its a pre-beta daily with possible issues in the installer. i dont run installers tho http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ [    0.000000] Linux version 4.15.0-23-generic (buildd@lgw01-amd64-055) (gcc version 7.3.0 (Ubuntu 7.3.0-16ubuntu3)) #25-Ubuntu SMP Wed May 23 18:02:16 UTC 2018 (Ubuntu 4.15.0-23.25-generic 4.15.18)
17:34 < kevr> I'm using iproute2, systemd-networkd, wpa_supplicant (and dhcpcd for debugging). I'm connecting via wireless AP to a network which has a Domain Controller DHCP server on it. This hands out an IP address to me, along with a number of classless static routes. Problem: It does not actually hand out a default gateway route to me. Though, on many other devices (also Linux-based) the same DHCP server seems to hand
17:34 < kevr> everything out fine
17:34 < esselfe> how do I generate pkgconfig files? only manually?
17:34 < kevr> here's a paste from dhcpcd: https://ptpb.pw/s0yU
17:34 < kevr> any ideas?
17:35 < Dr_Coke> triceratux what do you think of it?
17:35 < esselfe> (gimp compilation requires glib-networking which is installed without pkgconfig file)
17:36 < esselfe> btw I already wrote one, but wonder if it's the right way
17:37 < esselfe> and it doesn't work :P
17:37 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: i cant stop running it. its as viable as any xfce & just a little lighter & faster. & it supports yuge kde apps without having to invest in the whole kde thing. it certainly looks much better than lxde itself
17:39 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: theres so many conveniences. they ship falkon (the erstwhile qupzilla) so i can drop in my current firefox without having to worry about collisions with an aging piece of preinstalled software
17:40 < rindolf> esselfe: it should have a https://linux.die.net/man/1/pkg-config file
17:40 < rindolf> esselfe: try "find"
17:40 < kerframil> kevr: nogateway in dhcpcd.conf is one potential reason for this to happen
17:41 < esselfe> rindolf ok thanks
17:42 < rindolf> esselfe: did you install the dev package?
17:42 < Dr_Coke> triceratux I saw a photo of it not themed or maybe it was in breeze theme but it looked stock and good
17:43 < Kharos> a
17:43 < Kharos> Hey guys!
17:43 < rindolf> Kharos: hi
17:43 < jim> Dr_Coke, hi
17:43 < Dr_Coke> Hi Kharos
17:43 < Kharos> Can you please point me in the right direction? i'm trying to mess around with a linux distro that came with an ubiquiti antenna all i want is to actually make a directory on a place that wont get deleted once the antenna gets inhibited or restarts to default so i can place a script there to auto configure it but of course i have problems as i get a file system is read only and i have tried a lot of things i got from google. What can i 
17:43 < Dr_Coke> Hi jim and rindolf
17:44 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: sup?
17:44 < Dr_Coke> Not much man
17:44 < Dr_Coke> and you?
17:44 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: i ressurected some old code
17:44 < Dr_Coke> oh
17:45 < Dr_Coke> from where?
17:45 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: and the firefox spellchecker is broken
17:45 < Dr_Coke> ooo
17:45 < rindolf> Dr_Coke: from freecell solver
17:45 < Dr_Coke> oh
17:46 < kevr> kerframil: https://ptpb.pw/nqug
17:46 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: yep the breeze theming makes it look ultra contemporary. its rounded with gradients. the gtk2 in xfce is starting to show its age in certain distros
17:47 < kerframil> kevr: looks fine
17:47 < zumba_ad_> Morning all. I just learned yesterday that there are nics that can be configured to bypass kernel to achieve maximum throughput using userspace. That's all I heard and it got me interested
17:48 < kevr> kerframil: I just found that dhclient does get it, but dhcpcd doesnt. I do remember around this version time there was actually a pretty huge bug in dhcpcd regarding something else
17:48 < kevr> so maybe there was still an issue and i need to update
17:48 < kevr> i'll give it a shot in a while
17:49 < kevr> kerframil: thanks for the information & help though
17:49 < kerframil> kevr: dhcpcd -T can also be useful for debugging. at least, it provides a direct insight into the options being handed down.
17:50 < kevr> nice, i'll try it out in a bit
17:50 < triceratux> Dr_Coke: one thing about lubuntu 18.10 lxqt is its got audacious, smplayer, & mpv installed on the iso. that means they didnt miss any codecs so the browsers are media enabled ootb. on tumbleweed or fedora yer lucky if theyre playing mp3s (although they do finally)
17:50 < kevr> I just got to work, so I dont wanna risk messing anything up for 8 hours :P
17:51 < Dr_Coke> nice
17:51 < Dr_Coke> well triceratux I'm off for now man
17:51 < Dr_Coke> take care
18:03 < Psi-Jack> Hmm. Someone had their logout password...
18:04 < Dominian> o.O
18:07 < E|nMann> yes, yes. a logout password so i can escape from my cyberjail
18:07 < mwd> good place to ask about makefile trickery?
18:08 < Psi-Jack> Hehe
18:08 < Psi-Jack> Dominian doesn't know his logout password.
18:09  * Armand slaps Psi-Jack with a BeBox dual 133
18:10 < E|nMann> a BeBox runs BeOS, right? that was compiled with gcc 2.9.x :D
18:10 < Psi-Jack> Owwwwch
18:11 < Armand> Yes, it does run BeOS.. but I haven't fired that beasty up in about 2 years
18:11 < Armand> I'm seriously considering selling it.
18:12 < ayecee> could donate it to a museum
18:12 < Armand> Hell, no!
18:12 < Armand> lol
18:12 < Armand> Those are actually worth money.
18:12 < E|nMann> ah, you need the money? :D
18:13 < Armand> Yarp
18:13 < Armand> Very much so
18:13 < Psi-Jack> Donate! Donate! Donate!
18:13 < ayecee> anything's worth money if you can find someone who wants it.
18:13 < ayecee> the trick will be finding someone who wants it.
18:13 < Armand> Yeppers
18:13 < ayecee> if no one wants it, it's worthless.
18:14 < Armand> I want it, ergo.. not worthless. :P
18:14 < ayecee> can't sell it to yourself though
18:15 < Armand> Well, I could... but that would be stupid.
18:15 < ayecee> :)
18:16 < E|nMann> too bad that a living mouse ate the keyboard cable and other wires from my apple 2+
18:16 < E|nMann> cant find a replacement
18:16 < ayecee> man, why do they do that
18:16 < ayecee> copper must be delicious
18:16 < E|nMann> hehe, yeah
18:17 < pingfloyd> you're not supposed to turn your apple 2+ in to their cage
18:17 < ayecee> despite all my rage, i am still a rat in a mac
18:17 < E|nMann> there was nothing to put in the cage when i looked
18:18 < ayecee> in an apple, i guess. that was before mac.
18:18 < pingfloyd> mac was when Steve Jobs went loony
18:18 < ayecee> looney like a fox!
18:19 < pingfloyd> decided that Apple should become a cult company instead of a computer company
18:19 < pingfloyd> most cult leaders are
18:20 < Pentode> hey. nothing wrong with fox's!
18:20 < Pentode> ..unless they eat your chickens.
18:20 < ayecee> foxes
18:20 < Pentode> foxes boxes
18:20 < Armand> box foxes ?
18:21 < ayecee> sandboxes
18:21 < chibill> Is this were I would ask for help on getting a wifi dongle to work on my Debain install>
18:22 < ayecee> well, is it?
18:22 < ayecee> that's a question only you can answer.
18:23 < chibill> Well I mean is this the right place to ask. I know alot of times some IRCs will say that that question to X other channel.
18:24 < ayecee> really the only way to find out is to describe your problem and see if you're referred elsewhere.
18:24 < pingfloyd> these aren't the IRCs you're looking for
18:24 < triceratux> what happens when you try ?
18:24 < ayecee> have you tried turning it off and on again
18:24 < chibill> So I am running Debain 4.9.30 and have  a realtek RTL8187B based wifi Dongle that worked for internet during the net install but now after install it refuses to connect to any networks.
18:24 < E|nMann> nobody has yet founded the cult of the meta questions?
18:25 < pingfloyd> why such an ancient version of debian?
18:25 < ayecee> E|nMann: no, but they're talking about it
18:25 < pingfloyd> stable is up to 9.4
18:25 < Psi-Jack> What? Debian 4?
18:26 < Psi-Jack> Debian 4 is long EOL...
18:26  * triceratux guesses he means a debian with a 4.9.30 kernel
18:26 < ayecee> one can only hope so
18:26 < chibill> Its waht I had and how the heck did they go up 4 major versions in less then a year
18:26 < chibill> 5*
18:26 < ayecee> chibill: it's probably not what you have.
18:26 < chibill> This was compiled on 2017-09-19
18:26 < pingfloyd> maybe you were asleep at the wheel?
18:26 < ayecee> chibill: the kernel version is not the same as the debian version.
18:26 < chibill> According to uname I have Debain 4.9.30-2+deb9u5
18:27 < pingfloyd> that's kernel
18:27 < Psi-Jack> chibill: cat /etc/os-release
18:27 < ayecee> no, that's not what uname says
18:27 < triceratux> ftw
18:27 < pingfloyd> lsb_release is debian release
18:27 < pingfloyd> lsb_release -a
18:27 < chibill> Debain 9.4
18:27 < ayecee> debian
18:27 < Psi-Jack> There we go.
18:27 < pingfloyd> chibill: also, it's Debian, not Debain
18:27 < chibill> xd
18:27 < ayecee> now that that is sorted out
18:28 < ayecee> describe what happens when you try to use it
18:28 < ayecee> not what doesn't happen, or what should happen, but what happens
18:28 < Psi-Jack> Also.. Realtek wifi pretty much sucks.
18:29 < pingfloyd> chibill: maybe you didn't really use netinst like you think, and it really never worked.
18:29 < ayecee> pfft. you think everything sucks.
18:29 < ayecee> and you're mostly right.
18:29 < chibill> I know it worked because it was downloading. Also realtek have some great wifi cards. (Ones that suggort modes that are useful for Pen-testing)
18:30 < ayecee> uh oh.
18:30 < pingfloyd> my realtek wifi works fine in debian
18:30 < ayecee> you shouldna said pentesting.
18:30 < ayecee> it changes how people treat you.
18:30 < pingfloyd> I remember having problems, but I fixed them somehow
18:31 < chibill> And now the pop up that says the actual is happening is not poping up
18:31 < chibill> time to go connect thru the command line. and see if it will spit out my error.
18:31 < pingfloyd> the actual is happening?
18:31 < ayecee> the needful
18:31 < chibill> It says connecting and then the stops.
18:31 < ayecee> what says connecting
18:31 < ayecee> and then stops
18:32 < TrentonDAdams> I'm looking to list for a single http request and process that request from the command line.  Is anyone aware of a tool that would let me do that?
18:32 < chibill> I use to pop out a small error notification at the top of the screnn but it isn't now.
18:32 < TrentonDAdams> listen, not list
18:32 < ayecee> TrentonDAdams: pretty vague. how would this be used?
18:32 < pingfloyd> chibill: and you need pentesting?
18:32 < chibill> no
18:33 < TrentonDAdams> ayecee: print a link to the console, user visits the link to authenticate, but it needs to redirect back to a web server to give the web server a ticket for authentication verification.  So, listen to http for that returning request only, just to grab the ticket
18:33 < chibill> Its the only wifi dongle I have. Most of the pentesting junk was 5 years ago when my aceint latop was still alive. (Had a nice realtek chipset that could handle hosting 2 wifi hotspots and being connected to my wifi.)
18:34 < fire2199> how can i run a program at login so that only one instance runs. i.e. other sessions should not run again that program?
18:34 < TrentonDAdams> fire2199: depends on what you're trying to achieve.  You can use 'pidof' to see if any processes of that program exist
18:35 < ayecee> TrentonDAdams: a couple of options presented here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4739196/simple-socket-server-in-bash
18:35 < ayecee> in short: use bash itself, or use netcat/socat
18:35 < TrentonDAdams> Yeah, I've used nc for that, but I need something that actually processes the request for me, and gives me access to the parsed parameters, headers, etc.
18:36 < ayecee> it sounds like you need a web server
18:36 < ayecee> or something that acts a lot like a web server
18:37 < fire2199> TrentonDAdams : this is to run gpg-agent
18:37 < ayecee> to handle a single request, you could use netcat to do the tcp, and a webserver in inetd mode to handle the request.
18:38 < Hejkki> if I want to have a Linux distro with graphical interface, and one that is very close to RedHat, what might i select?
18:38 < Hejkki> a free distro
18:38 < ayecee> Hejkki: centos
18:38 < Hejkki> does it come with graphical by default?
18:39 < ayecee> since centos is essentially redhat without the commercial support
18:39 < ayecee> does redhat come with graphical by default? then yes.
18:39 < Hejkki> can i recommend CentOS for someone to install as a first linux distro for him?
18:40 < ayecee> sure, but he's gonna hate you for it
18:40 < Hejkki> yea, that's why i'm searching for another one
18:40 < ayecee> probably better to go with one of the more mainstream desktop distributions then, like fedora, ubuntu, mint, etc.
18:41 < Hejkki> ubuntu isn't even rpm. so maybe fedora is closer to redhat
18:41 < ayecee> it is
18:43 < Hejkki> ok, thanks :)
18:43 < Hejkki> fedora it is then, for my friend
18:46 < triceratux> Hejkki: or tumbleweed
18:46 < Bitcoiner69> whats the best torrent client that has webui
18:46 < Psi-Jack> Or better, Solus.
18:47 < Psi-Jack> Bitcoiner69: none.
18:47 < triceratux> solus isnt rpm
18:47 < E|nMann> Bitcoiner69: maybe TorrentFluxx is still alive as project :D
18:48 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, rtorrent + rutorrent is the best. transmission crappy, but does the job. deluge is alright.
18:48 < Hejkki> :)
18:48 < E|nMann> they all have a webui?
18:48 < Bitcoiner69> what makes rtorrent better then?
18:49 < dviola> Bitcoiner69: transmission
18:50 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, in my experience. stability and resource usage.
18:51 < Bitcoiner69> how much difference is the customizability then between rtorrent and transmission
18:51 < Psi-Jack> Tias
18:51 < pingfloyd> never had any problems with transmission
18:51 < ayecee> about a 4
18:51 < pingfloyd> also comes in cli, tui, and gui
18:51 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, night and day.
18:51 < ayecee> Psi-Jack: english, please
18:51 < ayecee> mui bueno
18:52 < searedvandal> that's not english
18:52 < xjkx> Thunar autostarts opening my home directory, why, it's not in gnome-session-proprieties list. Only gnome opens it, openbox and fluxbox don't
18:52 < ayecee> mea culpa
18:52 < section1> Bitcoiner69, test it and get your conclusions..
18:52 < pingfloyd> only fair thing at this point is that Psi-Jack commits Seppuku
18:52 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, but really, every client will do the job just fine to seed your favorite distro's isos
18:53 < Bitcoiner69> ok ill give rtorrent a go first
18:54 < BCMM> is that Java one that wastes masses of cpu and ram still a thing?
18:54 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, rtorrent is more work to set up if you want a web interface, since you need to set up a web server and stuff like that. transmission is the easiest to set up
18:55 < Psi-Jack> TIAS == Try It And See
18:55 < Bitcoiner69> and is there a way to stop isp from throttling me even though i'm using a vpn?
18:55 < searedvandal> ask your isp
18:55 < Psi-Jack> Bitcoiner69: No.
18:55 < Bitcoiner69> can i complain about it to the ISP or will i get told to f off
18:56 < searedvandal> Psi-Jack, I would never have guessed tias stood for that. learned something new today.
18:56 < Psi-Jack> TIAS. :p
18:56 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, how are we supposed to know that?
18:56 < Bitcoiner69> dunno i would've hoped for an experience
18:56 < mwd> you should complain, if nobody complains they keep doing shady things
18:57 < pingfloyd> Bitcoiner69: are you afraid of your isp?
18:57 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, my isp don't throttle anything so I wouldn't know. my advice would be to choose isp who doesn't throttle.
18:57 < section1> maybe i pay for that amount of bandwidth
18:57 < section1> s/i/he/
18:58 < searedvandal> if its throttling after bandwidth limit is reached he's talking about, it's rather simple. pay for more bandwidth.
18:58 < Bitcoiner69> pingfloyd: well a little bit, its virgin media and i pay for like 50mbps and right now ever since i started by first torrent using vpn i'm now on a constant 5mbps
18:58 < Bitcoiner69> well its unlimited as well
18:59 < Psi-Jack> hah
18:59 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, how do you know it is the isp throttling you and not the seeds you're grabbing this linux iso from?
18:59 < Bitcoiner69> searedvandal: because I've done speed tests and pages take forever to load, i've tried different devices also and it's giving same results
18:59 < Psi-Jack> Yeah... Virgin Media. I'd definitely get off them.
18:59 < Bitcoiner69> it's only started after my first torrent on vpn...
18:59 < searedvandal> try to do a direct download of the linux iso instead, that may be faster
19:00 < Psi-Jack> Bitcoiner69: So... Stop torrenting.
19:00 < Bitcoiner69> Lol
19:00 < Psi-Jack> Why do you need a VPN for that anyway? :p
19:00 < Bitcoiner69> yts
19:00 < section1> maybe the vpn are throttling you
19:00 < Psi-Jack> yts?
19:01 < section1> pirate movies
19:01 < searedvandal> I'm of course assuming he's trying to download his favorite distro's iso. if it's the other side of torrenting I would assume he would know to ask in more appropriate venues.
19:01 < Bitcoiner69> either way, a torrent has claimed my ISP plans life
19:01 < Bitcoiner69> even a ubuntu torrent
19:01 < Psi-Jack> yts means what?
19:02 < searedvandal> yahoo traffic server
19:02 < section1> lol
19:02 < Bitcoiner69> lol you know yify?
19:02 < Psi-Jack> So just as section1 said. piracy.
19:02 < section1> yahoo that antro exist ?
19:03 < Psi-Jack> Like I said... Just stop. :p
19:03 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, is that some kind of shorthand that we're supposed to know?
19:03 < Bitcoiner69> resoultion to everything
19:03 < Bitcoiner69> just stop and dont use internet lol
19:03 < Psi-Jack> More like.. Just stop being a thief. :p
19:04 < Psi-Jack> Piracy definitely earns no good karma here.
19:04 < Bitcoiner69> Psi-Jack: it's not thief if you download a copy of avatar and you already have a blu ray copy of it
19:04 < Bitcoiner69> I mean I wouldn't download a car
19:04 < dviola> rofl
19:04 < Bitcoiner69> I wouldn't go that far
19:04 < section1> i think you are wrong...but meh
19:05 < Bitcoiner69> also I just got a nice copy of the house of the dead :p
19:06 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, your assumptions are probably wrong. my advice, rip your own copy if you want to digitize it.
19:06 < searedvandal> that's still legal, I think
19:06 < pingfloyd> crappy movie choice
19:06 < Bitcoiner69> searedvandal: thing is I'd need to invest in a blu ray reader, also theres DRM as well
19:06 < Bitcoiner69> pingfloyd: avatar is the best
19:07 < pingfloyd> avatar was okay, but house of the dead
19:07 < section1> and avatar is ok in a good cinema...in a tv its mediocre.
19:07 < pingfloyd> avatar wasn't amazing like everyone thinks
19:07 < searedvandal> Bitcoiner69, ok. my last piece of advice. for piracy related questions, it may be better to ask in piracy related channels
19:07 < Bitcoiner69> house of the dead 2? that was the best
19:08 < Bitcoiner69> searedvandal: is there a channel dedicated to it on freenode then?
19:08 < pingfloyd> it was a remake of Pocahontas with CGI
19:08 < searedvandal> doubtful
19:08 < section1> pingfloyd, lol
19:08 < dviola> Bitcoiner69: #thepiratebay.org on efnet
19:08 < dviola> go there
19:08 < searedvandal> pocahontas didn't need a remake. it's perfect as it is
19:09 < pingfloyd> that's like everything today.  A remake with cgi
19:09 < TRS-80> pingfloyd: I was just saying the other day, Hollywood is creatively bankrupt, everything is a remake any more
19:09 < Bitcoiner69> alright cool thanks
19:09 < pingfloyd> occasionally there's a good movie
19:10 < searedvandal> yeah, there was a good movie in 98 I think
19:10 < pingfloyd> Blade Runner 2049 was pretty good
19:10 < section1> do you see ready player one ? ...the book is excellent ...the movie...like 4/10
19:10 < Blade> yes
19:10 < searedvandal> den of thieves was actually good
19:10 < pingfloyd> sure it has cgi, but it wasn't in any way a focus.
19:10 < Bitcoiner69> I just watched den of thieves the other day, great movie
19:11 < esselfe> I don't recall the last movie I saw
19:11 < section1> Bitcoiner69, in the cinema ? or pirated with laughs includeedd :)
19:11 < pingfloyd> so many movies are like one and half hours of cgi battles and 10 minutes of acting and directing real objects.
19:11 < esselfe> ah 60 seconds
19:11 < Bitcoiner69> section1: iMAX
19:11 < Bitcoiner69> ;)
19:12 < TRS-80> pingfloyd: +1 on new blade runner; however, literally, a remake :)
19:12 < sauvin> "Production values" for movies outside Hollywood might not be as "good" or as "high", but I've been finding them a lot more engaging.
19:12 < pingfloyd> TRS-80: it's a sequel
19:12 < Blade> old is good
19:12 < TRS-80> sauvin: yeah it's all just so contrived any more
19:12 < Blade> i born 1981
19:13 < Psi-Jack> It is indeed a sequel.
19:13 < pingfloyd> a respectable sequel at that
19:13 < TRS-80> my original point was, they can't come up with anything new
19:13 < Bitcoiner69> I mean I've watched demolition man 100 times over and i'd still watch it again
19:13 < section1> all '70 and '80 need to READ "ready player one"
19:14 < pingfloyd> I wouldn't say it was flawless, but it did what you expect and that is pulling you into its world, story, and characters.
19:14 < pingfloyd> it did that very well
19:14 < Psi-Jack> And a BD drive.. ~~$20 these days.
19:14 < pingfloyd> wish more movies would
19:15 < TRS-80> some of the Marvel movies are OK-ish but again, drawing on other source material. I stand by my assertion Hollywood is creatively bankrupt
19:15 < TRS-80> pingfloyd: I actually enjoyed the new Blade Runner
19:15 < bullgard4> [Debian testing] dist-upgrade installed a new DEB program package »fonts-roboto-slab«. https://packages.debian.org/buster/fonts-roboto-slab: [source code: fonts-roboto-slab]: Packet: fonts-roboto-slab (Version +20170512-1) : Google's signature family of fonts (slab)…" <-- What does mean here »slab«?
19:15 < pingfloyd> I agree that most of the marvel movies are ok-ish
19:15 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: don't forget the rest of the HDCP hardware!
19:15 < pingfloyd> they're merely okay.
19:15 < Psi-Jack> Don't need.
19:15 < pingfloyd> I thought Ant man was one of the better ones.
19:15 < Blade> Blade.Runner.2049.2017.1080p.BluRay.x264-SPARKS  :)
19:16 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: watching bluray without an HDCP monitor is piracy isn't it?
19:16 < TRS-80> gf likes Deadpool, we went to second one recently, one of few we will go to movies for
19:16 < TRS-80> BCMM: no piracy is what Somalians do with guns off the coast of Africa with ships
19:17 < Psi-Jack> Blade yeah piracy is off topic on freenode network.
19:17 < TRS-80> "piracy" should have said
19:17 < kevr> it is?
19:17 < Blade> is linux channel
19:17 < TRS-80> I think he was talking about copying 1s and 0s though
19:17 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: Nope
19:17 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: circumventing a copy protection mechanism?
19:17 < Blade> news kernel may be install
19:17 < Blade> see
19:17 < Psi-Jack> Nope
19:22 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: Technically, the piracy is in fact, the distribution of it, especially copies of in this sense. You are legally allowed to digitize your own purchased media, and use as you so choose, within your household, or wherever it is kept.
19:22 < Psi-Jack> I for one, never actually use my BD Burner drive to /play/ BD discs movies, just use Handbrake to digitize them for my plex server for my household's use.
19:23 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: in the USA, while you may have the right to copy that media, you're *not* necessarily legally permitted to actually take the steps required to excercise it
19:23 < Psi-Jack> Technically, yes you are.
19:23 < kevr> hey guys
19:23 < kevr> this isn't ##legal
19:23 < Psi-Jack> It's more on the guys writing the circumventing software that's at more specific risk. :)
19:25 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: that is incorrect. under the dmca, it is illegal to circumvent a copy protection measure. in many circumstances, that is illegal *even if* your intention is to do something that is otherwise legal
19:26 < Psi-Jack> Not actually correct. It's illegal to DISTRIBUTE software/technology to circumvent copy protective measures.
19:26 < bullgard4> [Debian testing] dist-upgrade installed a new DEB program package »fonts-roboto-slab«. https://packages.debian.org/buster/fonts-roboto-slab: [source code: fonts-roboto-slab]: Packet: fonts-roboto-slab (Version +20170512-1) : Google's signature family of fonts (slab)…" <-- What does mean here »slab«?
19:26 < Psi-Jack> Funny how things work in that regards. :)
19:26 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: all i can say is "actually read it"
19:27 < rcf> Psi-Jack: show the part of the DMCA that makes a clear exception.
19:27 < prussian> I'd suggest just not talking about it honestly.
19:27 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: "No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title."
19:27 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: that doesn't say "no person shall help other people circumvent..."
19:29 < BCMM> fact is, almost everybody is OK with violating US copyright law up to a certain point, but deems everything beyond that point "piracy"
19:30 < rcf> bullgard4: it's literally just their name for a new font family. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Roboto+Slab
19:32 < RayTracer> bullgard4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slab_serif
19:33 < BCMM> ^ this is the correct answer
19:34 < rcf> Indeed.
19:34  * rcf ought to learn more about typography.
19:34 < BCMM> it's just the slabby version of roboto, like roboto mono is the fixed-width version of roboto
19:37 < BCMM> i guess they wanted to have a serif font but didn't want to drop their "aggressively modern and ugly" aesthetic
19:38 < rcf> BCMM: also, there appears to be a circuit split on actual appplication of the DMCA with regard to things you own (https://boingboing.net/2010/07/25/federal-judge-says-y.html) but that doesn't change the fact that you're potentially paying for lawyers all the way to the SC if Hollywood wants you to.
19:38 < TRS-80> rcf I seem to remember some college dropout going in to audit such courses once upon a time just because he had an interest
19:39 < bullgard4> rcf, RayTracer, BCMM: Tahnk ypu very much for your help.
19:41 < BCMM> rcf: imho, this sort of technically illiterate, overreaching, ambiguous legislation is intentionally designed to ensure hollywood makes the rules, since nobody wants to go up against a team of lawyers with effectively unlimited resources
19:43 < rcf> BCMM: fortunately the tide seems to be changing somewhat. The lack of a new copyright extension and the delay of Europe's idiotic filtering legislation are good signs.
19:43 < prussian> no more copyright extensions? how will disney survive?
19:46 < kidnextdoor> does linux already pay users for using it?
19:47 < Dan39> kidnextdoor: linux pays users for NOT using it!
19:47  * Dan39 steals $5 from kidnextdoor
19:47 < Dan39> better stop using linux bro
19:48 < kidnextdoor> i dont understand why people get surprised by the idea of creating a system that could share cakes equaly
19:49 < Dan39> cakes?
19:49 < Dan39> i dont share my cake dude
19:49 < Dan39> back off
19:49 < kidnextdoor> money, the profit, income
19:49 < Dan39> the way of the deal
19:49 < kidnextdoor> well thing is, its not just yours, belongs to all
19:50 < Dan39> or wait... the art of the deal.
20:02 < Psi-Jack> All your base are belong to us.
20:09 < Psi-Jack> Wow.. The "installation documentation" alone for NixOS just... Shows me how.. Wow...
20:10 < Psi-Jack> First, create partitions by creating partition 2 for swap, then partition 1 for everything else, use expert mode to reorder partitions, which effectively moves partition 2 to 1, and 1 to 2.
20:13 < Psi-Jack> And /then/ goes about the wrong ordering when using mkfs, formatting the swap as ext4, and the larger remaining partition as swap.
20:13  * Psi-Jack just shakes his head.
20:14 < triceratux> https://www.linux.org/threads/solus-3-installs-fine-shows-in-update-grub-but-not-on-grub-menu.16114/
20:15  * triceratux cant find any negativity on distrowatch concerning solus, its true
20:15 < triceratux> but theres plenty on the web
20:15 < Psi-Jack> So, a person with 32 partitions is..... Slap that person like a biotch.
20:16 < ayecee> crude but effective
20:16 < Psi-Jack> heh
20:16 < triceratux> this is why i dont run installers. its miraculous enough that the liveisos boot at all
20:18 < d0ggyl0ver> .mouse enable
20:18 < BCMM> i don't feel like Solus has adequately explained why it actually exists. do all new desktop environments have to come with their own distribution now?
20:18 < ayecee> pretty much yes
20:19 < DLange> this is important so the few folks that develop $DE are more overloaded so they end the project sooner
20:19 < triceratux> & their own packagemanager while theyre at it
20:19 < DLange> keeps the space full of half-backed projects and obsolete distros
20:20 < BCMM> triceratux: that's the most bewildering bit for me, actually. like, i get that people go and make their own distro because they have strong opinions on package managers, and making new distros is probably important for advancing new ideas in package management. and i get that people make their own distros, lightly modified from existing distros, to provide a smooth path for installing their shiny new DEs
20:20 < Psi-Jack> BCMM: Solus is not just a DE. In fact, Solus isn't a DE at all. Budgie was specifically made seperately from Solus itself, but supplied by default with Solus as the default choice of DE.
20:21 < BCMM> triceratux: but doing both kind of adds to the suspicion of "just to be different" that i kind of feel around any new distro
20:23 < ldlework> Psi-Jack: re: NixOS, you're chronically contrarian so no surprise there
20:25 < Psi-Jack> Chronically contrarian eh? LOL
20:25 < ayecee> he has a shirt that says the same thing!
20:25 < Psi-Jack> That's one I've NEVER heard before. Mainly because it's untrue.
20:26 < ldlework> The irony is not lost.
20:26 < ayecee> mainly because you don't listen when it's said ;)
20:26 < ldlework> Psi-Jack: say something useful about your experience with NixOS
20:26 < Psi-Jack> ldlework: The documentation for installation is incorrect, and broken.
20:26 < ldlework> I followed the same documentation and am using NixOS right now.
20:26 < ldlework> Oops.
20:27 < DLange> imanc: it keeps him entertained here since it has become a thing
20:27 < DLange> #eh ldlework ^
20:27 < Psi-Jack> Oh, so you have an 8GB / and a * remaining swap? ;p
20:27 < Psi-Jack> Because that's how fdisk works when you use the expert mode renumber. LOL
20:27 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: i mean it's not necessarily entirely a bad thing, but you're the very definition of contrarian
20:27 < ldlework> I have no idea what you're laughing about.
20:28 < Psi-Jack> I do not reject nor oppose popular opinion.
20:28 < Psi-Jack> Or even go against current practice. heh
20:28 < ldlework> So that's your review of NixOS
20:28 < ldlework> With all your prowess of linux, that's your review?
20:28 < Psi-Jack> ldlework: So far. :)
20:28 < ldlework> Good grief.
20:29 < ldlework> Good thing nobody paid for it.
20:29 < triceratux> wut ubuntu is current practice. so those who eschew it are contrarians
20:31 < justsomeguy> How do you guys deal with mailing lists? I was thinking of signing up for one related to my distribution, but it seems like so much traffic I don't think I'd know how to handle it.
20:32 < Dominian> I stick mailing lists in their own folder
20:32 < Psi-Jack> justsomeguy: sieve filtering.
20:32 < justsomeguy> That's it?
20:33 < Psi-Jack> ldlework: Ignoring the installation manual itself, and fixing the mistake, but still keeping things simple. I of course, have an installed NixOS VM now.
20:33 < DLange> onl read them when you're bored
20:33 < DLange> those are the two tricks
20:33 < DLange> and don't ever subscribe to LKML
20:33 < justsomeguy> I guess that works. I'm just surprised that there isn't an application specifically for interacting with mailing lists.
20:33 < DLange> like .. a mail client?
20:34 < DLange> there was news (nntp) in the old times
20:34 < justsomeguy> Haha, yes, but with an interface specifically geared towards filtering large amounts of traffic.
20:34 < Psi-Jack> Technically still are news.
20:34 < Psi-Jack> justsomeguy: sieve filtering. :p
20:34 < DLange> well, *I* run ftp servers still
20:35 < DLange> but then we are all old people
20:35 < justsomeguy> Psi-Jack: Ok ok. Thanks!
20:35 < Psi-Jack> And *I* run a BBS still. With FTP, HTTP, POP3, NNTP protocols. :)
20:35 < Psi-Jack> Oh, and finger. :)
20:35 < meyou_> i do all my reading with gopher, HTTP is just a fad
20:35 < justsomeguy> That sounds pretty cool, actually.
20:37 < justsomeguy> Psi-Jack: Oh wow, at first I thought seive filtering was just an email client feature, but it turns out it's a full blown domain specific programming language.
20:37  * DLange runs daytime (port 13(.
20:37 < Psi-Jack> domain specific?
20:37 < Psi-Jack> No, it's a server-side email filtering language.
20:37 < Psi-Jack> Not client side, generally.
20:37 < justsomeguy> Well, specific to the domain of email filtering.
20:38 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: have you interpreted "domain" as meaning in the DNS sense, or are you claiming general-purpose applicability of sieve?
20:38 < Psi-Jack> Ahh, Yes. Basically.
20:38 < Nexilva> Is there a way to reload urxvt transparency tint level after modifying .Xresources without having to restart the terminal window?
20:38 < Psi-Jack> Pretty much designed for the primary purpose of email filtering. heh
20:38 < justsomeguy> Yup, I just phrased it awkwardly.
20:39 < DLange> or annoying people with a crappy syntax
20:39 < Nexilva> :) I mean I can do xrdb -load or -merge .Xresources, but still you have to restart termina
20:39 < DLange> whatever really was the main motivation
20:39 < Psi-Jack> Crappy syntax would be maildrop and procmail. hehe
20:39 < Nexilva> crappy syntax is Haskell.
20:39 < Psi-Jack> Also that.
20:39 < Nexilva> You have no idea how ridiculous that language is.
20:39 < Psi-Jack> Says who?
20:39 < FightingFalcon> Whats the linux command to show the manual of a command?
20:40 < BCMM> Psi-Jack: "domain specific language" is a common enough term referring to a class of computer languages that are not well-suited to general-purpose programming. SQL is most the obvious example.
20:40 < Nexilva> Well maybe you have an idea.
20:40 < Psi-Jack> FightingFalcon: man man
20:41 < FightingFalcon> thanks psi
20:42 < Psi-Jack> heh, 'nix upgrade-nix" tells you to use 'nixos-rebuild'. How nice of them to put that in the help. :)
20:43 < WhiteDevil> if i do my rhcsa
20:43 < WhiteDevil> will there be job oppurtunities for me ?
20:43 < Psi-Jack> Maybe.
20:43 < WhiteDevil> i mean is it easy
20:43 < Psi-Jack> No.
20:43 < WhiteDevil> i could look up my local job search
20:43 < WhiteDevil> see if there is any positions avail
20:43 < Psi-Jack> Excessive ENTER usage detected.
20:44 < justsomeguy> It's definitely not an easy certification to get.
20:44 < Nexilva> Is possible to HUP every urxvt process to reload the new config?
20:44 < justsomeguy> Well, unless you already have the skillset to be a Jr. Linux admin.
20:44 < Nexilva> Man. Seriously. Silly terminal.
20:45 < Psi-Jack> Nexilva: No. because they don't even read a config
20:45 < Psi-Jack> They read Xresources only.
20:45 < Nexilva> Hm. I modified and reloaded it, with xrdb -load .Xresources
20:45 < Nexilva> so I have to close/reopen the terminal?
20:45 < Psi-Jack> But they also only read the Xresources on init.
20:45 < WhiteDevil> i looked up and there arnt many jobs
20:45 < Nexilva> No way to have new settings loaded?
20:45 < WhiteDevil> and the one i looked up asked for linix+ and not rhcsa
20:45 < justsomeguy> Nexilva: To send HUP you can use ⍘ killall -S HUP urxvt ⍘ . I'm not sure that will do what you want it to do, though.
20:45 < Nexilva> Psi-Jack: what do you mean by init?
20:46 < Psi-Jack> Nexilva: When it starts the process.
20:46 < Nexilva> Psi-Jack: I just opened a new terminal and new settings took effect
20:46 < Nexilva> ahh
20:46 < justsomeguy> Nexilva: Correction. ⍘ killall -s HUP urxvt ⍘
20:46 < Nexilva> so HUP should restart the process? no
20:46 < Nexilva> ?
20:46 < Psi-Jack> No.
20:46 < Nexilva> Hm.
20:46 < Psi-Jack> HUP is hangup.
20:46 < Nexilva> ahh yes
20:47 < Nexilva> which man page lists all the sigs?
20:47 < justsomeguy> man 7 signal
20:47 < Nexilva> I did man kill but no list of signals there
20:47 < Nexilva> oh thanks
20:47 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm... Where's /lib? heh
20:47 < Psi-Jack> Why is /bin only containing a symlink for sh?
20:48 < gchristensen> Psi-Jack: would you like help, or just thinking out loud? :)
20:48 < Psi-Jack> Groaning about nixos so far. LOL
20:48 < joepie91> Psi-Jack: NixOS is not an FHS-based distro; there is no system-global /lib or /bin (by design), every package lives in its own prefix
20:48 < azarus> Psi-Jack: Why is my pee red?
20:48 < joepie91> (/bin/sh is a special case for which I forgot the reason)
20:48 < gchristensen> Psi-Jack: yeah, I'm a NixOS lover :D I knew the distro just by symlink comment haha
20:48 < Psi-Jack> azarus: Cancer?
20:48 < Psi-Jack> gchristensen: Heh
20:49 < justsomeguy> Nexilva: You should also read the manpage for urxvt. Probably do that first, since each program may have different programmer defined reactions to different signals.
20:49 < leonardus> I need to create a soft link that points from one file in /run/user/1000 to another file in /run/user/1000 which is in a subdirectory. But when the program closes doesn't that subdirectory get wiped? How should I go about this?
20:49 < azarus> Psi-Jack: possibly, but I can't be bothered to give any more informations :P
20:49 < Psi-Jack> Yeah, I'm evaluating it. More for a server use platform than anything.
20:49 < Psi-Jack> azarus: Here's an apple. Take two of these and call me in the morning.
20:49 < Nexilva> Ok thanks guy!
20:49 < Nexilva> Much appreciated
20:49 < Nexilva> just some guy, ha.
20:50 < justsomeguy> :~)
20:50 < Nexilva> justsomeguy: you got runny nose?
20:50 < justsomeguy> Nexilva: Someone broke it.
20:50 < gchristensen> Psi-Jack: feel free to ping me for help, or drop by #nixos -- happy to help. I have run it across several hundred servers, and other people in the community on the order of tens of thousands
20:50 < Nexilva> Now I have to figure out how to change the linux mint bootsplash, later folks
20:50 < Psi-Jack> gchristensen: Heh, I gotta learn to see if I even like it or not, first. :)
20:51 < gchristensen> :)
20:51 < Psi-Jack> Definitely can't recommend this to newbies of Linux for sure.
20:52 < infinisil> Well my first even Linux experience is from NixOS, switched from OSX
20:52 < infinisil> But yeah it's definitely not as easy to use as e.g. ubuntu
20:53 < Psi-Jack> Well I don't recommend Ubuntu either. But for different reasons. LOL
20:53 < joepie91> (yet)
20:53 < Psi-Jack> Wow, and /usr/bin only has a symlink for env..
20:53 < Psi-Jack> Lets just break the world, shall we? :0
20:54 < srk> imho it's actually a bit easier to use than traditional distros cause you don't need to remeber format and location of tons of configuration files
20:54 < srk> you have 'man configuration.nix' and nixos manual which is enough in most cases
20:54 < justsomeguy> NixOS is something I've been wanting to try for years now, but haven't felt comfortable approaching since I can't even manage the complexity of a regular distro yet.
20:55 < srk> justsomeguy: just what I said, complexity is more manageable with nixos :)
20:55 < Psi-Jack> Heh.
20:55 < joepie91> srk: depends very much on your usage profile
20:55 < infinisil> justsomeguy: Honestly it's easier to manage NixOS than other distros
20:55 < joepie91> srk: if your usage profile is "install stuff from the app store and use it for browsing etc." then NixOS will definitely be less easy to use than eg. Ubuntu
20:55 < justsomeguy> srk: Yes. I guess that fear stems from the expectation that things will break, and my nice abstractions will become unusable.
20:55 < joepie91> (at this point in time)
20:56 < joepie91> for 'serious' systems though, I would consider it quite a bit easier, modulo the lacking docs
20:56 < Psi-Jack> And broken docs to boot. :)
20:56 < srk> joepie91: yeah but I speak from a perspective of casual user (my friend) who I've taught nixos and he now finds it easy :)
20:56 < infinisil> joepie91: Getting better though, especially with the newly reintroduced https://nixos.wiki/
20:57 < joepie91> infinisil: oh yes, for sure, but still a long way to go :)
20:57 < pingfloyd> started him off with bad habits
20:57 < Psi-Jack> Hah. There's a .wiki tld?
20:57 < pingfloyd> great
20:57 < infinisil> Psi-Jack: What exactly is broken in them?
20:57 < joepie91> justsomeguy: as for stuff breaking; I've become a lot less afraid of breaking stuff since switching to NixOS, since it's *very difficult* to break something in an unrecoverable fashion
20:57 < joepie91> (or even a difficult-to-recover fashion)
20:58 < joepie91> what with system configuration rollbacks and deterministic installs and everything
20:58 < gchristensen> same, a lot of fun to play with stuff like stage-1 when you can't ruin your day
20:58 < pingfloyd> have you tried turning it off and on again?
20:58 < joepie91> like, trying out a different kernel or GPU driver or something is now just a worry-less operation for me, for example :P
20:58 < Psi-Jack> infinisil: Installation docs, provided on the 18.03 graphical install ISO, suggests for BIOS (non-UEFI) to create partition 2 for swap, then 1 for the main OS, then use expert mode to reorder the partitions, which essentially just renumbers 2 to 1, 1 to 2. But the docs continue to treat 2 as swap (which is not swap), and 1 as the main OS (which is not.)
20:58 < justsomeguy> joepie91: I should just try it already. It looks so cool.
20:58 < pingfloyd> probably a test dist for Windows Linux Edition
20:59 < joepie91> the very worst case was when I broke my bootloader, and that was resolved by booting the live CD, mounting the disk, and re-running nixos-install
20:59 < joepie91> and that fixed it
20:59 < gchristensen> Psi-Jack: ugly ....
20:59 < Psi-Jack> gchristensen: heh
20:59 < Psi-Jack> Also, yes, it's a nasty way of doing things. :p
20:59 < Psi-Jack> But, that's in the docs, and that's.... Horrible. :)
21:00 < joepie91> justsomeguy: would definitely recommend it :) just be wary that a lot of things are different from traditional distros, so if you immediately replace your main distro with it, expect to be less productive for a while as you get used to how things work
21:00 < joepie91> and/or totally lost for a few days
21:00 < joepie91> safer to try it out in a VM first
21:00 < pingfloyd> and then burn the vm afterward
21:00 < Psi-Jack> Some things I'm curious about NixOS is how it handles various server-deployment scenarios, and.. Just as an example, how it handles multiple versions of PHP.
21:01 < infinisil> Psi-Jack: I'll see if there's an issue about the docs
21:01 < Psi-Jack> There is an issue. Plain and simple. :)
21:01 < joepie91> Psi-Jack: since there is no global pile of bins/libs/etc. and every dependency exists in its own prefix and is explicitly linked to / referenced from the things that consume it, multiple PHP versions can easily co-exist; you just give each application a different PHP version as a dependency and it will Just Work
21:02 < joepie91> (this does not account for eg. fpm config; I don't know how that's put together, as I don't use PHP)
21:02 < infinisil> Psi-Jack: No I mean an issue on GitHub heh
21:03 < Psi-Jack> ahh heh
21:03 < Psi-Jack> I bet most people glance over that. ;)
21:04 < Psi-Jack> When I do a review, however... I look at many things, including the documentation itself, especially if the documentation is critical to getting started with the system as with NixOS.
21:04 < joepie91> I just looked at the fdisk instructions and I don't recall the instructions looking like that...
21:04 < joepie91> is that a recent change?
21:04 < Psi-Jack> Couldn't say. :)
21:05 < joepie91> to the repo!
21:05 < Psi-Jack> I've only ever seen 18.03's docs, as what came on the ISO. :)
21:06 < joepie91> ah, https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/commit/0cf74190a958359a2d3c6dd870d32f88b5205b41
21:06 < joepie91> 8 months ago apparently
21:07 < joepie91> replacing void space :)
21:07 < Psi-Jack> Yep. That's the bad documentation. :)
21:07 < infinisil> Maybe I'll try creating a better installer eventually, the installation is definitely a weakpoint of nixos
21:26 < justsomeguy> What are some good approaches for centralizing the management of ssh keys?
21:27 < kenrin> directory services
21:35 < aBound> Howdy doo. :P
21:36 < prussian> joepie91: central where?
21:36 < prussian> o
21:36 < prussian> ok
21:37 < spare> ssh has its own cert implementation just drop the public key on every box and you can sign user source address permission types and validity period only need to centralize if you want key revoke
21:38 < lukey> spare: Are you using Voice control?
21:39 < spare> nope to do what ?
21:46 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Interesting. NixOS comes pre-installed with nscd, and running?
21:47 < azarus> why does one need that?
21:47 < Psi-Jack> Well, it's a cache for NSS lookups.
21:47 < azarus> i know, but why?
21:47 < Psi-Jack> Including DNS lookups.
21:48 < section1> and best for ldap
21:48 < section1> example if you have ldap auth
21:48 < Psi-Jack> Well, not exactly "best" for LDAP, but...
21:49 < Psi-Jack> But, 54MB used memory at bootup on an initial setup, with only openssh running sshd.
21:49 < Rolf_> Good evening. Is there some software alternative for linux that's reasonably comparable to STDU viewer? I've used qpdfview and calibre as replacememt (and Okular, I guess, but that's something I would've used, anyway), but it would be good to know if there's some other decent resource efficient, fast, tab-based document viewer that can be used for most document types (or at least pdfs and epubs)?
21:50 < Psi-Jack> And dhcpcd, nscd, and systemd of course.
21:50 < section1> yeah you save a lots of query to the ldap server
21:50 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: solus3 budgie runs in qemu-kvm on swagarch http://i.imgur.com/lJ4g9o9.jpg that means my image is good. i even redownloaded it. now why should it disintegrate into a kernel panic over various ordinary installation procedures ?
21:51 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: im starting to think its hardware related. all the posts talk about rebuilding your dram. theres nothing wrong with solus other than i cant get it to boot on the metal
21:52 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. "rebuilding your dram?" heh
21:53 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: my bad. theyre talking about stuff ive never needed to mess with. theres nothing wrong with this machine. thats why im running it. but it sure doesnt like solus
21:53 < Psi-Jack> triceratux: Tried #solus? ;)
21:55 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: i noticed on their site theyve got a channel. i dont need to bug them quite yet. theres plenty of evidence of this issue on the web
21:56 < Psi-Jack> One thing that makes a really great Linux distro, is a community that supports and backs it with everything they can.
21:56 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: actually im just sitting down to look thru solus in kvm. i installed mc & it didnt do that weird thing it did before downloading gcc. so ive still got some homework to do. the only thing Solus3 does 2x the same in a row is fail to boot
21:56 < Dominian> Psi-Jack: Solus still?
21:56 < Psi-Jack> Dominian: Yep. :)
21:56 < Dominian> Still need to test it in a VM
21:57 < Psi-Jack> Indeed. Get to it, harta! :)
21:57 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: theyll just laugh & say: "didnt you run the full installer which brings our custom bootloader with it ?" & ill just have to say "not quite yet"
21:58 < Dominian> Psi-Jack: I got so much other tuff I want to do
21:58 < Psi-Jack> heh
21:58 < Dominian> Psi-Jack: I did add the Decks app into Nextcloud though so as I get ideas or something to work on, I can add a 'project' there so I don't forget
21:58 < __monty__> Psi-Jack: I had to enable nscd because firefox wouldn't work without it. Not sure why though.
21:58 < triceratux> me too. i never would have taken solus seriously if Psi-Jack didnt think it was so cool suddenly
21:58 < Psi-Jack> __monty__: Hmm?
21:59 < __monty__> Psi-Jack: Firefox installed through nix wouldn't work without nscd.
21:59 < Psi-Jack> Odd....
22:00 < Psi-Jack> :q
22:00 < Psi-Jack> That means somewhere, NSS on nixos is broken, if that be the case...
22:01 < gchristensen> I don't need to enable nscd on nixos for firefox to wokr
22:02 < Dominian> That's definitely an odd requirement
22:02 < ldlework> i don't either
22:02 < gchristensen> oh, it is already enabled and running =)
22:02 < Psi-Jack> LOL
22:02 < mawk> try to remove it
22:03 < gchristensen> I have more important things to fix :P
22:04 < mawk> :(
22:05 < gchristensen> just today, https://grahamc.com/blog/cache-nixos-org-now-more-local
22:08 < ldlework> gchristensen: nice
22:09 < plujon> I just cloned a large git repository, and my linux desktop became unusuable for the duration of the clone.  Is there a way to avoid this?
22:10 < Ben64> get more ram / get faster storage
22:10 < plujon> $ ionice -p $(pgrep git) # tried this, and while it changed the priority class, it had little noticeable impact on the slowness of my desktop.
22:10 < DLange> it's CPU bound when resolving deltas
22:10 < DLange> so nice, not ionice
22:10 < plujon> Hmm.
22:10 < DLange> and limit cores, if you have too few
22:10 < plujon> I have a 6 core CPU.
22:11 < gdrc> hello guys. I want to search for a string in all the files recursively. I do that with `grep -Ril "my_string" .` . I get 4 files as output but if I do cat $file | grep "my_string" I get nothing. what am I doing not correctly?
22:11 < plujon> The CPU indicator indicated less than 20% usage (rough estimate)
22:11 < plujon> RAM was not exhausted.
22:11 < Ben64> then faster storage
22:11 < plujon> I think it was IO reading.
22:12 < plujon> I don't want to fix this specific problem as much as I want to understand: when a linux system gets overwhelmed with disk I/O, what can the user do and/or how can the user avoid that other than buying "better hardware" in advance?
22:12 < compdoc> `plujon, wired or wifi?
22:12 < plujon> wifi
22:12 < plujon> And
22:12 < plujon> How can I tell what exactly is slowing down emacs / xsessions / etc?
22:12 < plujon> I had to infer that it was disk I/O because my CPU utilization was not above 50%, nor RAM above 80%.
22:13 < compdoc> what wifi modem?
22:13 < Psi-Jack> Well, emacsos, while a great....
22:13 < plujon> I started iotop and saw 4 processes doing a lot.
22:14 < plujon> IOW, my desktop is slow right now: how do I tell why?  The answer should not involve going to a store.
22:15 < Ben64> the solution may involve going to a store
22:16 < plujon> How will going to the store tell me why the desktop was slow?  Surely there's a better way.
22:16 < DLange> you usually clone a large git repo exactly once, so ... just live with it?
22:16 < Ben64> i said solution
22:16 < Ben64> as in, solving the problem
22:17 < __monty__> Psi-Jack, gchristensen: I phrased that wrong. I needed nscd for avahi domain resolution with firefox installed by nix.
22:18 < Psi-Jack> That also makes no sense.
22:18 < vfw> plujon: htop
22:19 < Psi-Jack> As the mdns module isn't even in the /etc/nsswitch.conf to even make use of avahi/bonjour multi-cast DNS.
22:20 < plujon> vfw: Thanks.  I'll install and look at it.  I see my 12 CPUs and memory and swap.  Now, to reclone the beast...
22:20 < plujon> Unfortunately, my IRC connection will die during this process.
22:20 < __monty__> Psi-Jack: I do have mdns_minimal in my nsswitch.conf
22:21 < lukey> plujon: http://www.akitaonrails.com/2017/01/17/optimizing-linux-for-slow-computers
22:21 < lukey> plujon: The Key is to optimize for low latency, not troughput
22:23 < Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Unusual.
22:24 < DLange> something working?
22:25 < blinkingprompt> when i'm using mkfs -t it will choose the default filesystem, but if i need to know what that filesystem it chose later in a script, how do i tell?
22:25 < Dan39> not sure what you guys are talking about lukey / plujon but i saw tuned profiles that mentioned exactly that, "optimize for performance/low latency" vs "optimize for performance/throughput"
22:26 < cluelessperson>  blinkingprompt: why let it choose?  set it yourself
22:26 < DLange> blinkingprompt: file or lsblk -fs
22:26 < cluelessperson> blinkingprompt: it defaults to ext2
22:27 < plujon> Dan39: tuned profiles?
22:28 < plujon> Low latency is indeed what I'm after.  Desktop responsiveness in the face of heavy disk I/O.
22:28 < Dan39> plujon: yea, tuned is a daemon that does some tuning for you, has some pre-built profiles that adjust different kernel parameters and stuff
22:28 < Dan39> well you might not be able to get that unless you like ionice the heavy disk io process
22:29 < Dan39> even then i have my doubts
22:29 < Dan39> whats the heavy io from?
22:30 < plujon> git clone big-repo # then git-indexing reads from spinning disk
22:31 < Dan39> try running it with nice and ionice ...
22:31 < plujon> Dan39: I tried doing `ionice -p $(pgrep git)` # mid-clone, but it had little effect
22:31 < plujon> oops
22:31 < plujon> ionice -c idle -p $(pgrep git) # this
22:32 < plujon> but it had little noticeable effect; maybe I should have used -P
22:35 < Psi-Jack> Hey hey... That user/bot that was here that was all about hating systemd,... Is finally gone!
22:35 < DLange> no, I'm still here :D
22:36 < Psi-Jack> Well, your nick isn't _systemd_is_evil. :p
22:42 < kidnextdoor> this nodejs shiit is so messed up
22:42 < kidnextdoor> more security means exposing more stuff
22:42 < kidnextdoor> lol
22:42 < kidnextdoor> use helmet they say
22:43 < Psi-Jack> kidnextdoor: Language, please...
22:58 < Toadisattva> I'm following this tutorial to install linux on a chromebook http://linux-exynos.org/wiki/Samsung_Chromebook_XE303C12/Installing_Linux I'm in something of a gui menu titled ".config - Linux/arm 3.8.11 Kernel Configuration" and the instruction I'm following says: "Take the default configuration, and tweak it a bit (disable CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR and CONFIG_SECURITY_CHROMIUMOS)" but I am unsure where to find these commands in the
22:58 < Toadisattva> menu, is anyone able to point me in the right direction?
22:59 < Psi-Jack> Heh.. Oh, wow.. Really old versions of Zabbix in nixos.
22:59 < _KaszpiR_> Toadisattva it means get default kernel configuration
22:59 < _KaszpiR_> (search further for creating custom kernels)
23:01 < _KaszpiR_> http://linux-exynos.org/wiki/ARM_Chromebook/Mainline_Linux_kernel should help
23:01 < Toadisattva> I'm totally lost with the kernel stuff, is there a good resource where I can learn enough to at least navigate this menu?
23:02 < Psi-Jack> Toadisattva: menuconfig has a search using /
23:02 < Toadisattva> aha that's helpful
23:03 < Toadisattva> that found it but I'm still not sure how/where to change it?
23:05 < _KaszpiR_> you can use menuconfig or install file by nad (just a bunch of capitalized vars)
23:05 < Toadisattva> oh nevermind it gives a location I'm just blind
23:05 < Toadisattva> lol don't mind me
23:05 < Toadisattva> thanks for the help :)
23:05 < Psi-Jack> I knew you'd figure it out. :)
23:07 < triceratux> Psi-Jack: i just found out Solus-3-Budgie.iso isnt booting in the qemu-kvm on lubuntu 18.10 lxqt but all the rest of my ISOs are. it boots fine on qemu-kvm on swagarch. made me think there was something wrong with cosmic lubuntu qemu
23:08 < triceratux> theres not. the solus boot is just a little bit brittle
23:12 < akk> Weird, I thought the thing with linux on chromebooks was that you had to use the google-installed kernel and didn't have a choice there.
23:14 < Pentode> theres an option to disable os detection and boot with an alternate os / kernel
23:14 < Pentode> never tried it though
23:26 < Lope> anyone tried dosbox on a raspberry pi?
23:27 < Lope> apparently the RbPi 1 dosbox emulation speed is equiv to a 20MHz 486 CPU!
23:32 < dFence> Lope: I’ll trade you my work laptop, less hassle, same experience
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