--- Log opened Sun Apr 08 00:00:13 2018
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00:00 < cluelessperson> tds: what it looks like to me know, is that the lan now has a ipv6 prefix subnet
00:00 < cluelessperson> but the usg/router itself doesn't have an ipv6 address
00:01 < tds> cluelessperson: can devices on the lan now route to the internet over v6?
00:01 < cluelessperson> tds: one moment, I'm going to reset my connection on this laptop
00:02 < cluelessperson> tds: well, my laptop now has an ipv6 address
00:02 < cluelessperson> sweet, it works! :D
00:02 < tds> awesome :)
00:03 < cluelessperson> tds: I'm not sure how prefix delegation works, I'm only in an apartment here, but I'm going to setup the entire network so that I have "WIFI" "WIFI-IOT" "WIFI-GUEST"
00:04 < cluelessperson> IOT devices won't be able to see each other, will have internet only if enabled for that MAC (TVs coffee maker)
00:04 < cluelessperson> Guests will have internet, no access to anything else
00:05 < pekster> Assuming the ISP does PD "right" and gives you enough of a prefix size, that's exactly how DHCPv6-PD is supposed to work
00:05 < cluelessperson> pekster: /60 :P
00:05 < pekster> ie: you get enough address space (RFC6177 says no less than a /56, though that's a "recommendation" that lots of places ignore.)
00:05 < cluelessperson>  /60 should be plenty :P
00:06 < pekster> /60 is really the bare minimum, and can be a problem if you have a slightly-fancier setup that may want to delegate a /60 to a lab box (think VMware or such) that many advnaced users might have
00:08 < Jorja> Does anyone know how I can get an android device to obtain the ip address to connect to internet? tyhe device has connected before just fine
00:09 < TV`sFrank> settings->wifi then tap on the connection you want to connect to
00:10 < Jorja> Did that
00:10 < TV`sFrank> or just pull down the notification/quick settings tab
00:10 < linux_probe> sounds like someone is being blocked :))
00:10 < linux_probe> quit pilfering inter-tubes
00:12 < quebre> hello, can i use PPTP VPN on KVM windows guest that uses NAT ? i use NAT as i have just 1 public IP
00:15 < SporkWitch> i mean, you CAN do a lot of things, the better question is what you're TRYING to achieve as an end-goal and what makes sense to achieve that
00:18 < quebre> SporkWitch: i'm trying to connect to PPTP VPN, i configured NAT as i already have the NAT networking configured on the KVM node, i'm not sure if the VPN isn't working because my VM is behind NAT or something else on the VM or host node is not configured, i was about to try and forward the PPTP 1723 port but then reading that there's some GRE that doesn't really use IP and the NAT only uses IP..... now
00:18 < quebre> i'm in doubt, all i need is the VPN without need to use second public IP for the KVM guest..
00:18 < SporkWitch> is the VM guest the VPN client or server?
00:19 < Jorja> Does anyone know how I can get an android device to obtain the ip address to connect to internet? tyhe device has connected before just fine
00:19 < quebre> i wanted the VM guest to be VPN client, not the host, if that's possible
00:19 < SporkWitch> quebre: then it should just work, assuming NAT is configured correctly.
00:20 < quebre> mhm
00:30 < Jorja> Does anyone know how I can get an android device to obtain the ip address to connect to internet? tyhe device has connected before just fine
00:32 < SporkWitch> Jorja: don't spam
00:33 < cluelessperson> What are prefix ids?
00:35 < linux_probe> what are herp-derp
00:35 < linux_probe> and I am quite sure jorja = trolltard
00:36 < linux_probe> just judging by inital posts
00:36 < Jorja> hello
00:36 < linux_probe> I oblidged it out of boredom ;)
00:42 < tds> cluelessperson: I think they're effectively just integers representing sections of your delegated prefix if you split it up into /64s
00:42 < cluelessperson> tds: 64s ?
00:43 < cluelessperson>  so the ISP gives me /60
00:43 < tds> eg if your prefix is 2001:db8:1000::/48, prefix id 1 would be 2001:db8:1000:1::/64
00:43 < cluelessperson> hm
00:43 < cluelessperson> tds: OH, so that gives you /48-/64 for network ids essentially?
00:43 < cluelessperson> then /64 for devices?
00:44 < tds> the idea is that you can then go and assign a prefix id to each interface on your router, and they'll all become /64s out of your /60
00:44 < tds> and then when the /60 that's delegated changes, it'll all automatically update
00:48 < ghxst> how can I access my squid proxy server running on my raspberry pi externally?
00:48 < ghxst> I forwarded port 3128
00:48 < ghxst> but I don't seem to be able to connect over public_ip:3128
00:52 < cluelessperson> ghxst: forwarded port 3128 to the maching running that service?
00:52 < cluelessperson> ghxst: is there a firewall somewhere?
00:54 < ghxst> yes to the internal IP of the raspberry pi
00:54 < ghxst> uhm only one I can think of is on the raspberry pi itself
00:54 < cluelessperson> ghxst: which firewall is it?
00:55 < ghxst> how do I check that ?
00:55 < cluelessperson> ghxst: if you didn't start one, there shouldn't be one
00:55 < cluelessperson> ghxst: google "netstat" and use it to make sure the raspberry pi is listening on that port
00:55 < ghxst> raspbian might start one by default, I am not sure about that
00:55 < ghxst> it is, I can connect to it over lan
00:56 < ghxst> and the proxy service works like expected
00:56 < cluelessperson> ghxst: so not a firewall
00:56 < Jorja> Does anyone know how I can get an android device to obtain the ip address to connect to internet? tyhe device has connected before just fine
00:56 < cluelessperson> ghxst: can you test the port on the public ip?
00:56 < ghxst> cluelessperson: ah yeah fair point
00:56 < ghxst> hmm
00:56 < cluelessperson> ghxst: I guess double check that the port forward is working
00:57 < ghxst> I can check yeah let me find out how to do that on windows
00:57 < poolson> hey folks i have setup an icmp tunnel ... the client can connect to the server ok
00:57 < cluelessperson> Jorja: So, if you go to the wifi settings for your android, is it connected to anything?
00:57 < poolson> and can also connect to things on the internet (i.e. ssh and wget work as expected)
00:57 < Jorja> no
00:57 < Jorja> No internet connection
00:57 < cluelessperson> Jorja: can it see wifi networks?
00:57 < Jorja> Yes
00:58 < poolson> however when i connect to the client device (Which is also an AP) i cannot get a response with wget etc.
00:58 < poolson> however it DOES make a connection
00:58 < poolson> just doesnt get the response
00:58 < cluelessperson> Jorja: so you're aware, the way it works is that you use a radio, either bluetooth, wifi, LTE/CDMA to connect to a network, and that network offers you internet access maybe
00:58 < poolson> what should i be looking at here?  when i randomly messed with mtu is kind of worked a bit .. but nothing reliable
00:58 < cluelessperson> poolson ping google.com ?
00:59 < cluelessperson> Jorja: So, connect to a wifi network and see if you get internet?
00:59 < poolson> yep i can ping and traceroute
00:59 < poolson> resolving is ok
00:59 < cluelessperson> poolson: what is wget's reported error?
00:59 < poolson> im not seeing an error .. it connects and just waits for response
01:00 < poolson> i can see that it does get to the webserver i am testing against .. i log the hit
01:00 < TV`sFrank> Jorja be aware there is also an #android support channel
01:00 < cluelessperson> poolson: so what happens when it timesout ?
01:00 < poolson> just no response .. so it seems like theres a problem with traffic coming back
01:01 < cluelessperson> poolson: give it long enough to timeout, I believe it should.
01:01 < cluelessperson> if there's no traffic coming back, check firewall/iptables
01:01 < poolson> yep .. been messing with that ... its just not my forte :)
01:01 < poolson> so i just try to cobble it
01:02 < ghxst> cluelessperson: ok port 3128 tcp connection failed
01:02 < ghxst> over public up
01:02 < ghxst> *ip
01:02 < cluelessperson> ghxst: so it doesn't seem to be forwarding
01:02 < cluelessperson> or a firewall is blocking at the .. public entry point
01:02 < ghxst> it's deff forwarding correctly I don't have a doubt about that
01:03 < ghxst> but if it was squid I would get a not authorized right ?
01:03 < ghxst> the ping did succeed
01:03 < ghxst> but the tcptest didn't
01:05 < cluelessperson> ghxst: ping won't traverse the router I don't think
01:05 < cluelessperson> ghxst: if you're not getting a tcp connection, I'd say it's not working
01:05 < ghxst> the same forwarding on a flask dev server does work tho
01:05 < SporkWitch> maybe i'm missing context, but ping should absolutely traverse the router if the destination is on a different network...
01:05 < ghxst> that's what tripping me off
01:10 < ghxst> I'll set up a flask server again on that port just to confirm forwarding is working or not
01:12 < voidstar> python -m SimpleHTTPServer <your-port> if you're just testing. simpler than flask
01:14 < ghxst> voidstar: I appreciate you
01:16 < voidstar> (y)
01:16 < ghxst> ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT over public ip, but internal ip works
01:16 < ghxst> I think this has to do with my modems
01:17 < ghxst> 1 sec
01:19 < ghxst> ah it seems like I am messing this up entirely
01:20 < ghxst> I have a 4G modem set as my default gateway, but since it's not a static IP, I want to connect to it using my main connection which connects me to my ISP
01:20 < ghxst> but I can only do that when that main connection is set as default gateway it seems
01:21 < poolson> hey when trying to debug these firewall rules
01:21 < poolson> is there  a way i can look at whats going on and where the return traffic is getting hung up ?
01:24 < cluelessperson> SporkWitch: he's trying to ping from WAN to LAN ?
01:26 < ghxst> ok so I have my main ISP connection over eth1, this connection has a static public IP. can I use this interface to connect remotely to the device, but have internet going over eth1 which has the 4G modem ?
01:29 < tds> ghxst: you probably need to do policy routing stuff, so that packets with the source address on eth1 get routed out via the router on that interface
01:30 < poolson> i think maybe i need a bit of that too :)
01:30 < cluelessperson> Thoughts on doing IPv6 ONLY networking?
01:31 < poolson> me ?
01:31 < poolson> no
01:32 < BlueProtoman> I have a few home servers, but I want to reduce their power consumption when not in use.  Ideally, I'd like to be able to turn them on or off remotely.  Any ideas?
01:33 < poolson> https://pastebin.com/7uiYCUeh
01:33 < Epic|> Virtualize down to one server?
01:33 < poolson> these are the rules i have in place.  tun0 is the interface that is doing the ICMP tunnel
01:33 < poolson> wlan0 is the interface on a RPi that is my access point
01:34 < Epic|> BlueProtoman it's somewhat amusing how few resources a guest VM can get away with while idling
01:34 < poolson> on the RPi itself i can do a wget somewhere and get the response ... however my phone connected via wifi to wlan0 cannot get a response .. however the request is successful
01:35 < BlueProtoman> Epic|: I'll experiment with it, but the server I would use to host that guest isn't particularly powerful anyway, which is why I'd prefer to stick to real hardware if possible
01:36 < Epic|> What services are you providing
01:36 < BlueProtoman> Epic|: For the world at large?  None.  For me?  SSH, NoMachine, and whatever else I need
01:37 < Epic|> I'm trying to understand your situation so I can potentially help but it's proving difficult
01:37 < BlueProtoman> Epic|: What info can I provide to make that easier?
01:38 < Epic|> What constitutes whatever else you need
01:39 < BlueProtoman> Okay.  My hardware is as I just described; two servers so I can have access to something besides Linux at will.
01:40 < BlueProtoman> I want to save money on electricity because tax season next year is going to suck hard.  So I want to be able to turn these servers on and off at will, maybe through my laptop or my cell phone or something (not picky).
01:40 < BlueProtoman> *turn them on and off remotely
01:41 < Epic|> Ok well SSH and nomqchine seem pretty light
01:41 < BlueProtoman> Okay but even if my servers are idle they're still chewing up power, right?
01:41 < Epic|> I run ll my stuff in ESXi now
01:41 < Epic|> Yes of course
01:41 < Epic|> Hence consolidating to one
01:42 < BlueProtoman> But I'd still want to be able to turn that one on or off.
01:42 < BlueProtoman> Remotely.
01:42 < Epic|> Ipmi or other out of band management will allow that
01:43 < BlueProtoman> Hm...what do you think about this?  https://www.howtogeek.com/192642/how-to-remotely-turn-on-your-pc-over-the-internet/
01:44 < Epic|> Sure that's something you can set up. You'll need another box to log in to
01:44 < Epic|> Ipmi will be available and active even if you shut down the server
01:45 < BlueProtoman> One complication; these servers are connected to the Internet via Wi-fi, because unfortunately there's no good place to lay cable in my house.
01:46 < BlueProtoman> (lay cable from the server to the router)
01:46 < poolson> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Omron/G5V-1-DC5/?qs=Pjd0UV7BHP%2FGqZ0zy8DG3Q%3D%3D&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInoirnayp2gIVx53tCh12XgfHEAQYAiABEgKarPD_BwE
01:46 < redrabbit> esp8266
01:46 < poolson> perfect for turning things on and off
01:46 < poolson> :)
01:46 < Epic|> Blarg, wifi
01:47 < BlueProtoman> Epic|: I know, it's not ideal, but my family would not be pleased with a big cable running halfway across the house
01:47 < redrabbit> esp8266 + relay sheild
01:47 < redrabbit> wemos mini d1
01:47 < Epic|> Attic?
01:47 < BlueProtoman> Epic|: There is none.
01:47 < redrabbit> at least use 5ghz
01:48 < BlueProtoman> redrabbit: What would I do with those, exactly?
01:48 < Epic|> 5ghz may be inferior
01:48 < redrabbit> turn it on/off like if you were to push the putton.
01:48 < redrabbit> from anywhere
01:49 < redrabbit> i have that setup exept i use ethernet
01:49 < redrabbit> but it makes no difference
01:49 < redrabbit> i had it setup with wifi
01:49 < BlueProtoman> redrabbit: How would I communicate with the Wi-fi module, and how would it turn on my servers?
01:49 < redrabbit> esp8266 has wifi
01:49 < poolson> hehe reminds me of a thing i made some time ago
01:49 < poolson> literally that ... a button that sent out something via wifi
01:49 < redrabbit> relay shield turns it on
01:50 < redrabbit> that simple
01:50 < BlueProtoman> poolson: I can't press the button if I'm not in the house
01:50 < redrabbit> you're missing the point
01:51 < BlueProtoman> I must be, then
01:51 < redrabbit> poolson: esp based?
01:51 < poolson> yeah man
01:51 < poolson> i just put up a couple pics
01:52 < poolson> https://imgur.com/a/8SWGL
01:52 < poolson> behold !
01:52 < redrabbit> that remote hard on/off switch is legit useful
01:52 < redrabbit> well, i use it for my desktop only
01:52 < redrabbit> server never has issues
01:52 < redrabbit> debian server vs win10 work statin
01:52 < BlueProtoman> poolson: Cool, it really is, but I need to be able to turn it without even being in the house, so a button is not what I'm looking for
01:53 < poolson> well yeah
01:53 < poolson> but the theory is the same
01:53 < redrabbit> poolson: nice
01:53 < redrabbit> what do you use do design the pcb
01:53 < redrabbit> i need to design a breakout for a new smd lora transceiver i just got
01:54 < redrabbit> BlueProtoman: i gave you the solution
01:54 < redrabbit> wemos mini d1 + relay shield
01:54 < redrabbit> buy this
01:54 < redrabbit> and then ask in #arduino for help
01:55 < redrabbit> once you have it
01:55 < redrabbit> and research
01:55 < poolson> theres somethign i made AGES ago
01:55 < redrabbit> its easier than you think
01:55 < poolson> so it looks rough .. but its made to sit on the back of one of those el-cheapo relay boards
01:55 < poolson> https://imgur.com/a/ImcVo
01:56 < poolson> just have a RPi talk to that and youre all set !
01:56 < redrabbit> where do you get pcb done
01:56 < redrabbit> i have a ridiculous system atm lol
01:56 < poolson> make them myself dude
01:56 < redrabbit> rabbitmq+nodered+ttn lora gateway
01:56 < redrabbit> dozens of data inputs
01:57 < redrabbit> they look very good
01:57 < BlueProtoman> redrabbit: Let me see if I understand what you're getting at.  Make a thing that connects to my router via Wi-fi, and open a port on that thing.  If that thing gets a message of some kind (I think there's a protocol for it somewhere), send a bootup message to my servers.  Is that right?
01:57 < poolson> ah man those are from some time ago .. pretty rough
01:57 < poolson> but thenaks
01:57 < poolson> thanks
01:58 < redrabbit> poolson: im at that stage where i need to have some custom pcb but i dont have the know how yet
01:58 < poolson> as in how to make it yourself ? or how to get it made elsewhere ?
01:58 < redrabbit> https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/forum/uploads/default/original/2X/b/b0ed474a31e3fbc8eb58ad99eb6ad142e5515317.jpg so i practice creative soldering
01:59 < redrabbit> get it made
01:59 < poolson> getting it made is easy
01:59 < poolson> seeedstudio makes it all simple and cheap
02:00 < poolson> https://imgur.com/a/7GDgD
02:00 < redrabbit> i have no idea which software to use
02:00 < poolson> thats an example of something i hand made recently tha ti am pretty happy with the quality
02:00 < redrabbit> looks clean
02:01 < poolson> well even better is it worked ok !
02:01 < poolson> haha
02:01 < poolson> well dude theres lots of software you can use ... personally i use eagle
02:01 < redrabbit> https://aliexpress.com/item/1pc-LoRa-868MHz-SX1276-SX1278-Wireless-rf-Module-CDSENET-E19-868MS100-Long-Range-5km-20dbm-SPI/32808552151.html i have a couple of theses and i can't get away with "creative soldering" with such small smd pads
02:01 < redrabbit> ok ill try eagle
02:01 < redrabbit> youre the second person to recommand it
02:02 < redrabbit> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB17eU5PVXXXXaOXVXXq6xXFXXXH/230137393/HTB17eU5PVXXXXaOXVXXq6xXFXXXH.jpg
02:02 < redrabbit> looks like i have to refer to this
02:03 < redrabbit> somehow i feel like its gonna be crooked when i try it irl :')
02:04 < redrabbit> do you have some oven setup for smd?
02:04 < poolson> oven ?
02:05 < redrabbit> reflow
02:05 < poolson> dude hand solder .. its straight forward .. especially the castellation on that last thing you showed is 1.27mm pitch
02:05 < poolson> easy dude :)
02:05 < redrabbit> oh yes that one is easy once i get the pcb
02:06 < redrabbit> i meant for esp8266 bare chips that kind of stuf
02:06 < redrabbit> probably not worthy on such a scale
02:07 < poolson> well typically you would jsut use a module like esp12 or some such
02:07 < redrabbit> i like to build tiny so ideally going as small as diy allows it would be my thing
02:08 < poolson> how tiny ?
02:09 < redrabbit> well i was wondering if getting a hot air station was worth it for small things
02:10 < poolson> dude im telling you  ... at these sizes hand soldering is the way to go
02:10 < poolson> especially when theres not a LOT of components
02:11 < poolson> however hot air is very useful for removing things
02:11 < redrabbit> allright
02:12 < poolson> it all comes down to the soldering iron and the tip you use
02:12 < poolson> a 1.2mm chisel tip will get you 95% of the way
02:14 < poolson> then a 2C or C2 tip for drag soldering is ok
02:14 < redrabbit> i have a ts100 with cb2 tip iirc
02:16 < redrabbit> eagle has me lost already lol
02:16 < redrabbit> "new board" i guess
02:16 < redrabbit> i have to do my homework now
02:16 < redrabbit> on eagle
02:17 < poolson> someone solve my networking problem !
02:17 < redrabbit> lol
02:17 < poolson> this stuff is maddening
02:17 < redrabbit> explain
02:17 < poolson> well i have this ICMP tunnel setup
02:17 < poolson> client and server
02:18 < poolson> with my current config (routing and firewall) i can communicate properly to the outside world from the client
02:18 < poolson> i.e. i can ssh and wget no problem
02:18 < poolson> wget sends request and gets response
02:18 < poolson> however i also have the client set up as an access point
02:19 < poolson> i have a phone connected to that .. and from the phone when i try wget .. the request is sent (i can see it hit the remote webserver) but the response is not received
02:19 < poolson> (wget just hangs)
02:19 < poolson> https://pastebin.com/7uiYCUeh
02:19 < redrabbit> you have a nat setup ?
02:19 < poolson> those are the current firewall rules
02:20 < poolson> and this is iptables -l and iptables -S
02:20 < poolson> https://pastebin.com/fBrdyzA3
02:20 < redrabbit> forwarding enabled?
02:20 < poolson> yep
02:21 < poolson> that is set to 1 in sysctl.conf
02:21 < redrabbit> rules seem fine
02:22 < redrabbit> dns issue?
02:22 < poolson> maybe bridging wlan0 to tun0 can do something ?
02:22 < redrabbit> tried ping 9.9.9.9
02:22 < poolson> remember im no network guy !
02:22 < poolson> i can ping and traceroute
02:22 < redrabbit> tried ping 9.9.9.9 on phone~
02:22 < poolson> and hosts resolve
02:22 < poolson> hold on
02:22 < poolson> i didnt ping from phone .. jsut traceroute
02:22 < redrabbit> hehe
02:24 < poolson> at one point i messed with mtu settings on either end of the ICMP tunnel .. and i actually got some traffic back in a browser on the phone .. but im not sure if i had some other settings changed too that yielded that result
02:24 < poolson> that was yesterday !
02:25 < redrabbit> ping 9.9.9.9 on the phone
02:25 < poolson> dude getting there .. need to install ping on phone !
02:25 < poolson> hah
02:26 < poolson> this is an OLD jailbroken phone i dug out of a box
02:26 < ghxst> I got port forwarding working to my squid server, but it's not using my outgoing address it keeps timing out
02:28 < ghxst> could it have to do with my hosts file ?
02:28 < poolson> getting responses from 9.9.9.9
02:30 < redrabbit> hah
02:30 < redrabbit> i knew it
02:30 < redrabbit> dns issue
02:30 < redrabbit> so.. fix that
02:30 < redrabbit> either static dns setup
02:30 < poolson> how can that be ?
02:30 < redrabbit> or advertise proper dns from your dhcp serv
02:30 < poolson> if it resolves ok
02:31 < redrabbit> maybe use termux
02:31 < redrabbit> and add the proper tools for diagnostic
02:31 < poolson> enlighten me !
02:31 < redrabbit> its hard to tell tb
02:31 < poolson> settle down dude
02:31 < redrabbit> tbh*
02:31 < poolson> one thign at a time !
02:32 < poolson> can this all be attributed to mtu settings ?
02:32 < redrabbit> it depends
02:32 < redrabbit> are you 100% sure the rest is solid
02:32 < poolson> well i am not 100% sure
02:33 < poolson> all i know is if i issue wget on the client (the AP) directly then all is very responsive and works fine
02:33 < poolson> however thru wlan0 for connected wifi device .. not so good
02:33 < poolson> but i dont know much about this stuff
02:33 < redrabbit> timeout?
02:34 < redrabbit> not enough info, its hard to tell
02:34 < redrabbit> ill bll
02:34 < redrabbit> bbl
02:34 < redrabbit> good luck
02:56 < ghxst> posted my issue in more detail here: https://serverfault.com/questions/906584/squid-proxy-tcp-outgoing-connection-timing-out if anyone can take a look and give their thoughts I would appreciate it
02:59 < afx> ghxst: sounds like you have default gateway on eth0 (as thats your isp and when squid is making connections on its own it sends them via the default..
03:03 < afx> on the other hand you set outgoing address.. but im not sure if thats enought as requests for hosts outside 10.0.1.0 network are via the default from the squid point of view
03:06 < ghxst> afx: hmm I don't have eth0 set as default gw actually
03:06 < ghxst> should I maybe ?
03:08 < afx> no.. usually i place squid where the default gateway is the one where squid makes requests to
03:09 < afx> so in your case thats the 4g interface :)
03:09 < afx> but in my case the other interface was lan so
03:10 < afx> there are not requests outside so return traffic is via the route the interfaces create
03:12 < ghxst> yeah it seems like I also have to set the default gateway to the gateway that matches the tcp_outgoing_address
03:12 < ghxst> but if I do that, I can't reach it over the public IP of eth0 anymore
03:12 < afx> exactly xD
03:12 < afx> idea..
03:12 < ghxst> what do I do lol ..
03:12 < afx> place router with nat on eth0 :P
03:12 < afx> port forward ssh and 3128
03:12 < afx> but
03:13 < afx> make the router change the incoming address to
03:13 < afx> 192.168.0.1
03:13 < afx> i think this is hairpin nat
03:13 < afx> that way the squid will think the requests is coming from the local network
03:13 < ghxst> can it be related to my host file ?
03:13 < afx> and not remote source address which it will then try to route via default gw
03:14 < afx> idk :)
03:14 < afx> perhaps there is a better way but i should be in bed and i cant think of anything good xD
03:14 < pclover> https://www.att.com/esupport/article.html#!/smb-internet/KM1188698 so I just found this and thought i'd post it in ehre for people have a good laugh at how much bullshit there is in that article.
03:14 < ghxst> I appreciate the help anyway afx
03:16 < pclover> also not to go into it but since when was 802.1x proprietary?
03:17 < afx> pclover: things like that are ruining the internet :P
03:17 < pclover> i guess AT&T has never herd of OOB management
03:26 < ghxst> what does this do echo 13 eth3 >> /etc/iproute2/rt_tables
03:26 < ghxst> 13 eth3, eth3 being a table name
03:26 < ghxst> but what is the significance of 12
03:27 < ghxst> *13
03:36 < ghxst> afx: I figured it out !
03:36 < ghxst> this question helped me: https://serverfault.com/questions/487891/cant-ping-multihomed-linux-machine-on-non-default-interface
03:38 < ghxst> my issue now is an access denied error when accessing over public ip
03:38 < ghxst> but that's probably due to an acl rule or something
03:58 < poolson> SOLVED !!!
04:41 < Android> how find a dhcp server wuthout knowing the subnet?
04:42 < Android> some scanner from link local?
04:42 < Android> screen is down and either server had dhcpd or static
04:43 < Android> having no screen is difficult
04:43 < pclover> can you be more vague?
04:44 < Android> no keyboard for cdrom boot
04:46 < Android> can nmap scan for dhcp servers from link local?
04:47 < Android> the problem is fi ding
04:47 < Android> the ip address of the booted server
04:50 < light> just plug your laptop in with wireshark running and capture the DHCP offer
04:51 < light> but servers are usually configured statically
05:00 < tcpdump> Android: yes, nmap can send a DHCP req. and echo all replies.
05:02 < tcpdump> Android: or if Linux use dhcping
05:29 < Android> tcpdump send an example
05:29 < Android> started working on reinstalling a server
05:29 < Android> then tcpdump replies
05:30 < TV`sFrank> Android: check your headgear.  I believe it's on too tight.
05:30 < Android> send a dhping example from link local only
05:31 < Android> TV`sFrank I have no headgear
05:31 < TV`sFrank> Wow.  Just...wow.
05:34 < CannedSpinach> is there any reason one computer on my network would not be able to connect to a server under <hostname>.local while another is?
05:34 < Android> tcpdump privmsg, continuing
05:38 < electromagnetism> try by hostname only - the .local
05:38 < fryguy> CannedSpinach: if that computer doesn't have an mdns client (or it does and you are misusing .local).
05:38 < CannedSpinach> electromagnetism: tried that, then the TLS handshake fails
05:40 < CannedSpinach> I was in here earlier with a big issue that had like five people scratching their heads, end result was I needed to configure this server to have a CN set to <hostname>.local
05:40 < CannedSpinach> now I'm having trouble connecting to it from my desktop running Arch, I assume because it's so epic and minimal that I need to install a package
05:40 < fryguy> right, an mdns client
05:41 < fryguy> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/avahi
05:41 < CannedSpinach> thanks
05:43 < electromagnetism> yeah what he said above, arch had the same issue a while ago avahi, then make sure the service is running as well after install, end result shit magically works right...
05:46 < CannedSpinach> can confirm, magically works right
05:46 < electromagnetism> lol
05:46 < CannedSpinach> that was also the final step in a multi-day headache inducing project for me that I can finally rest easy on
05:46 < CannedSpinach> so thanks a bunch
05:46 < CannedSpinach> I was this close to strangling my cat
05:47 < CannedSpinach> but she'll live another day thanks to you
05:47 < Android> tcpdump took so long an alternate path was used
05:48 < Android> dhping is it?
05:49 < Android> guessing it takes weeks to ping every private subnet ip
05:49 < Android> years?
05:49 < Android> 254 possibilities for every subnet bit
05:51 < Android> is there a windows version which runs without screen?
05:53 < Android> if it takes 5 minutes to ping sweep 254 hosts
05:53 < Android> this explains how a lan is destroyed
05:54 < Android> why microsoft bit the dust in usefulness
05:54 < TV`sFrank> Android Why are you blogflooding
05:54 < Android> simple to destroy a lan
05:54 < TV`sFrank> sigh, someone please set +r
05:56 < Android> what is +r?
06:23 < skyroveRR> Android: stands for "registered" user on freenode.
06:27 < Android> skyroverr repeat
06:27 < TV`sFrank> lol
06:27 < skyroveRR> Android: suck a dick
06:28 < abdulhakeem> im confused why are we mad at Android?
06:28 < TV`sFrank> crapflooder, ingratious, bossy, demanding, Entitled Generation
06:45 < aditya7400> fun
06:48 < skyroveRR> aditya7400: kaisa hai
06:48 < aditya7400> skyroveRR: accha hai
06:50 < c|oneman> lame, i'm expanding a disk in Vmware workstation and its writing zeros everywhere on the virtual disk
06:51 < aditya7400> ah pain
06:56 < electromagnetism> never heard of that, seems unnecessary, destroy old and make a new disk you would think
07:08 < Maarten> c|oneman, did you initially create it as thick provisioned? That would be why.... unless you have a very good reason for it (maximum performance without the need to spend resources on growing the disk file) you pretty much want to use thin provisioned.
07:09 < c|oneman> its on OSX VM so im guessing that, 'because reasons'
07:18 < archer121> Hi, I'm trying to remote port forward from my laptop to an aws server. I am doing this so that my friend can access 192.168.40.99:22 from her home. Here is what happens when try to do this: http://paste.debian.net/1019241/ So, to test this, I try through the tunnel from the aws machine (172.31.21.13 is it's eth0 ip), and the connection is refused. Can someone take a look and tell me why?
07:19 < archer121> but ` ssh -p 5000 localhost` works.
07:21 < linux_probe> >_> herp-derp
07:21 < Ben64> 172.31.21.13:5000:192.168.40.99:22 ????
07:21 < linux_probe> are you trying to make an ssh "tunnel"
07:24 < archer121> Ben64: yes, -R
07:24 < phrost> linux_probe: suh dude
07:24 < Ben64> i'm not worried about the -R
07:24 < Ben64> worried about 172.31.21.13:5000:192.168.40.99:22
07:25 < archer121> linux_probe: yes
07:25 < archer121> Ben64: ssh -vi aws.pem -R 172.31.21.13:5000:192.168.40.99:22 ubuntu@35.154.195.112
07:25 < batch> archer121 what do you think that command does?
07:25 < Ben64> archer121: yes, i read that, which is why i'm worried
07:26 < phrost> archer121: netstat -ntuple|grep :5000
07:26 < phrost> on aws
07:27 < batch> isn't it used more like port:host:port?
07:27 < linux_probe> hehe
07:27 < phrost> host:port:host:port
07:27  * linux_probe r good guessers
07:27 < archer121> batch: Ben64: Maybe I understood it wrong. This is what I thought: On my remote machine(aws), on the ip, 172.31.21.13, port 5000, it will take connections, and then throght the tunnel, the connections will be redirected to 192.168.40.99, port 22 from my loptop (local machine)
07:27 < phrost> ^local    ^remote
07:27 < meingtsla> archer121: man sshd_config and read up on the GatewayPorts setting for the ssh server's side.
07:28 < archer121> meingtsla: okaay
07:28 < linux_probe> "port forwarding" needs to be allowed/enabled in sshd.config
07:28 < phrost> ^
07:28 < linux_probe> most are defaulkt disabled I beleieve
07:28 < phrost> it would give can not connect error
07:28 < linux_probe> and typovilles
07:29 < meingtsla> The man page for ssh(1) also references this when it describes the -R switch.
07:29 < phrost> -R is reversed, if you
07:29 < phrost> want to provide it for the remote host
07:29 < phrost> from your machine
07:29 < phrost> ie
07:29 < phrost> ssh -N -R 9090:localhost:22 tunnel@phrost.blackhat.cc -p 9000
07:30 < phrost> this would provide a tunnel from port 22 localhost to 9090 loopback on remote blackht.cc
07:32 < linux_probe> so, it seems wer're helping the blocked country folks to evade their blocks
07:32 < linux_probe> herp-derp
07:32 < BenderRodriguez> good
07:33 < phrost> good
07:33 < linux_probe> lold
07:33 < batch> systemctl restart lold ?
07:33 < linux_probe> you know, I started telling them to ssh tunnel or VPN back around 1999 ;)
07:33 < BenderRodriguez> linux_probe: in the meantime, my company deals business and provides IT services with an entity that implements the blocking :(
07:33  * linux_probe is lulz
07:34 < phrost> u gotta sell both
07:36 < phrost> zzzzzzz bored
07:42 < batch> phrost that looks like a nice command
07:42 < batch> -N to make it safe right or what?
07:42 < phrost> just no shell
07:43 < phrost> i have a user created for tunnels whenever i use this
07:43 < phrost> that user has no shell
07:43 < archer121> thanks peeps, the revese tunnel is now working. You are helping college students access the college network from home too. ;)
07:43 < phrost> and only permitted one connection
07:43 < batch> cool,
07:44 < phrost> accidental copy with newline char resulted in auto send pre edit
07:44 < batch> i remember i did something similar to access a router from a different subnet iirc
07:44 < phrost> but w.e
07:44 < batch> had to forward in the first router offcourse
07:44 < phrost> ciscos dont allow that, what kind of router was it?
07:45 < phrost> linux box?pfsense?
07:45 < batch> oh no special thing, tplink and dlink haha
07:45 < phrost> ah
07:45 < batch> very old cheap ones haha
07:45 < batch> yea
07:45 < batch> but so i had to landingspage of my router on other subnet accessible on localhost:99 or something
07:45 < phrost> very useful
07:45 < batch> can't remember
07:46 < batch> uhu
07:46 < phrost> also can use ngrok
07:46 < phrost> ever heard of it?
07:46 < phrost> https://ngrok.com/
07:46 < batch> hmm not really, what is it?
07:47 < batch> ow my..
07:47 < batch> looks nice
07:47 < phrost> allows you to forward a port out to their service, they give you a publicly accessible name and port
07:47 < phrost> same idea
07:47 < phrost> dont need suid either
07:47 < batch> it's like punching a hole through the NAT firewall?
07:47 < phrost> depending on the port i guess
07:47 < phrost> yes
07:47 < linux_probe> snort my port
07:48 < batch> i think samy kamkar has made a tool like this
07:48 < phrost> lol
07:48 < phrost> get snorted bro
07:48 < batch> pwnat or chownat
07:48 < linux_probe> snort dis.... 8IIIIIIIIIIIIIID
07:48 < batch> but nice, installable with npm
07:49 < phrost> got snort alerts soon as i sent that
07:49 < phrost> then few block entries came up for scan
07:49  * linux_probe snickers
07:49 < linux_probe> snort the johhny in my shrts
07:49 < linux_probe> shorts**
07:50 < phrost> i tried to visit that IPs webserver but it was blocked ;<
07:50 < batch> cute
07:50 < batch> lol!
07:50 < linux_probe> what webswerver is that?
07:50 < skyroveRR> Hellos.
07:50 < phrost> nginx
08:02 < phrost> https://github.com/samyk/pwnat cool
08:04 < batch> yep that's the one
08:04 < skyroveRR> Hm?
08:05 < linux_probe> ur mum was the one also
08:05 < phrost> time exceeded response includes full header
08:05 < linux_probe> :)))
08:05 < batch> ur mom gay
08:06 < linux_probe> nope
08:06 < TV`sFrank> batch: calm down Queefton
08:06 < skyroveRR> ...
08:06 < Choscura> how does a gay mom make an asshole
08:06 < linux_probe> I harrasee her as the clearly lesbian women flirted with her
08:06 < linux_probe> LOLD
08:06 < batch> xD
08:06 < skyroveRR> Enough.
08:06 < linux_probe> at various stores women blabbering to her and carrying on
08:07 < skyroveRR> Stop, you two.
08:07 < linux_probe> stop who?
08:07 < Choscura> yeah, stop, you two
08:07 < batch> yeah, you two
08:07 < Choscura> also, hi you two, I'm dad
08:07 < batch> isn't that a boysband
08:07 < batch> U2
08:07 < skyroveRR> pppingme: xand: ^^
08:07  * linux_probe scrolls back 3 hours and checks if any actual network related questions occured
08:08 < linux_probe> NOPE
08:08 < TV`sFrank> linux_probe: unless you want your entire arrest jacket dox dropped including name, address, and number of DUI's plus victims you'll put the booze away and call it a night, sport.
08:08 < Choscura> linux_probe, I'm trying to forward wifi to an ethernet port on my pi... but googling, not pestering.
08:08 < linux_probe> so, therefore ##networking should be eliminated form freenode
08:08 < linux_probe> ;)
08:08 < skyroveRR> Choscura: "trying to forward wifi"? ....
08:08  * batch not impressed
08:09 < batch> jk
08:09 < c|oneman> pi 3 has a pretty shitty wifi antenna afaik
08:09 < Choscura> skyroveRR, giving a non-wifi-having-computer near my pi wifi from my pi
08:09 < batch> Choscura i'm trying that aswell
08:09 < batch> but with a zero W to usb to ethernet adapter
08:09 < batch> :D
08:09 < batch> i have had success
08:10 < c|oneman> in windows you could just bridge the interfaces
08:10 < skyroveRR> Choscura: turn on forwarding, make it into a router..
08:10 < batch> and post and prerouting rules in iptables
08:11 < skyroveRR> https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/48307/sharing-the-pis-wifi-connection-through-the-ethernet-port/50073
08:11 < skyroveRR> Use some sense before running the script.
08:11 < batch> c|oneman windows is a hoax
08:13  * linux_probe gets further tired of paying for aSSHATERY
08:13 < linux_probe> fuckitall
08:13 < phrost> lool
08:13  * phrost drinks more beer
08:14 < TV`sFrank> ugh, two drunks in the same channel
08:15 < phrost> i thought irc was a hangout for drunks
08:15 < batch> correct
08:16 < phrost> linux_probe: what asshatery do you pay for
08:33 < skyroveRR> A nighty night, fellas?
09:46 < grawity> SporkWitch: page 4 of that document talks about how hubs are forbidden and full-duplex is required... and page 5 talks about how Ethernet is CSMA/CD :|
09:47 < grawity> SporkWitch: isn't that a bit contradictory
09:47 < Andr01d_> ..
10:04 < skyroveRR> IDK what kind of numbskulls would be attracted to on a channel like this. On other distro channels, it's understandable, but on this channel, I can't think of any reason.
12:08 < omg|shitcoin> I MINED THE ENTIRE BLOCKCHAIN AND ALL BITCOINS IS BELONGING TO ME NOW
12:08 < omg|shitcoin> I AM A TRILLIONAIRE AND I OWN ALL
12:08 < omg|shitcoin> NOW SOMEONE SUCK ME OFF!
12:23 < Andr01d_> what channel for friendly wifi jsmmer
12:23 < Andr01d_> wifi can bw faraday caged right?
12:24 < Andr01d_> radio signals
12:25 < Andr01d_> it looks like metal
12:36 < skyroveRR> Andr01d_: what do you want to do exactly?
13:17 < Meta> Just did a CCENT practice exam. Didn't do as badly as I thought.
14:07 < mini0n> guys
14:07 < mini0n> i get cable unplugged
14:07 < mini0n>  Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 03)
14:07 < mini0n> 04:06.0 Ethernet controller: Belkin F5D7000 v7000 Wireless G Desktop Card [Realtek RTL8185] (rev 20)
14:07 < skyroveRR> So?
14:07 < mini0n> cable is plugged
14:07 < skyroveRR> And?
14:08 < mini0n> I suddenly starts working
14:08 < mini0n> its mint 18.1
14:08 < skyroveRR> What's your point?
14:08 < mini0n> I suspect drivers
14:08 < mini0n> right now its saying cable unplugged
14:08 < mini0n> the cable is plugged
14:09 < mini0n> i'm using wifi because ethernet interface wont work
14:10 < skyroveRR> Did you try changing the cable?
14:10 < detha> have you tried turning it off and on again?
14:10 < mini0n> yup
14:10 < mini0n> everything
14:10 < mini0n> these nothing in dmesg or syslog eithere
14:12 < detha> what is on the other end of the cable?
14:12 < mini0n> this problem has suddenly started .. perhaps after an update
14:13 < skyroveRR> From which mint version did you update?
14:13 < skyroveRR> Perhaps you suffered a kernel driver regression, heh.
14:14 < skyroveRR> Hi detha
14:14 < detha> hey skyroveRR
14:15 < skyroveRR> How's the Sunday going?
14:15 < detha> sloooooowly.... waiting for backups to finish
15:29 < SporkWitch> grawity: ethernet IS CSMA/CD.  Recall that ethernet is a protocol, the medium is what usually determines whether you can have full-duplex or not
15:35 < nobody> hi :)
15:36 < SporkWitch> grawity: also, we don't forbid much of anything, even trying to use unsupported hardware with our system; that guide is just a high-level list of recommendations.  You can use a hub if you want, or wifi; call quality is going to be shit, but you can do it lol
15:46 < xingu> SporkWitch: ethernet? that's some sort of legacy client thing people tunnel over g.709, right? :D
15:46 < SporkWitch> ...
16:12 < Irritiable|LT> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7209758528.png
16:12 < Irritiable|LT> Faster than 89% of the USA at $40/mo. :o
16:15 < stonelore> are you in the old bright house or time warner territory?
16:18 < SporkWitch> huh, slow day, must be a lot of RFI http://www.speedtest.net/result/7209769969.png
16:18 < electromagnetism> hum $90 a mo for 1/2 that speed is what I pay at home
16:19 < Irritiable|LT> Is there a proper way to tweak the CTS/RTS Threshold & Fragmentation Length (256-2346) on a wireless router?
16:19 < stonelore> Irritiable|LT: were you in BHN, TW or charter region?
16:19 < SporkWitch> electromagnetism: that'd be the normal for TWC/Spectrum.  The only places that offer faster or better prices are those that actually have some competition, like places Google Fibre has moved into
16:19 < Irritiable|LT> stonelore: Unfortunately I have no idea what any of that means. TWC company (locally) was bought out recently. The ISP I'm connected to was bought out in Jan. or Feb. of this year (the ISP is within 5mi of my house). I used: Speedtest.net
16:20 < stonelore> ok that answers it
16:20 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: the answer to his question is TW, then
16:20 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Google Fiber's in town.
16:20 < SporkWitch> as you could figure out with even a modicum of critical thought
16:20 < Irritiable|LT> South Austin offers it (I mentioned that last night). Been here for years.
16:20 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: i know
16:21 < Irritiable|LT> "TW" means what? Time Warner?
16:21 < SporkWitch> ding ding ding
16:21 < stonelore> that's alright, the massive amount of mergers cause people to become ignorant
16:21 < Irritiable|LT> :)
16:21 < Irritiable|LT> I'm no network admin. I'm just your regular Joe.
16:21 < SporkWitch> stonelore: that could be excused if he hadn't just said TWC himself; should have been able to figure out TW
16:21 < Irritiable|LT> Long term hobbyist programmer and long, long time PC user (I despise using the term "PC").
16:22 < Irritiable|LT> I associate "Time Warner" with television cable service; not the internet.
16:22 < Irritiable|LT> There are dozens of ISPs offered in Austin, TX.
16:22 < SporkWitch> "personal computer" may not be as meaningful as when it was a big deal to have something that didn't take up a whole room, but it's still an accurate, if imprecise term...
16:23 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Exactly.
16:23 < Irritiable|LT> My mother used to call it a "PC." Makes me want to barf.
16:23 < Irritiable|LT> Then I heard about the long drawn story of her school having a PC and how large it was. Her computer class was based on punch cards.
16:23 < SporkWitch> we, as a society, have also agreed that PC refers to "traditional" computers and laptops, but not smartphones or consoles, so it's still a useful term
16:23 < shtrb|laptop> PC have a different meaning today :)
16:24 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: she is misusing the term then; that would not be a PC
16:26 < electromagnetism> I live in the sticks got only 1 cable provider here, DSL, SAT, dial-up, cell tethering, postal mail and smoke singles, stone carvings are the only options really
16:26 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Age old memory. That's what I was told when I was ~8 and asking about computer programming (on the 33MHz).
16:27 < stonelore> PC means non-Mac
16:27 < Irritiable|LT> electromagnetism: LOL! "Stone carving."
16:27 < shtrb|laptop> electromagnetism, you must have a hell of a setup to use all that :D
16:27 < Irritiable|LT> Anyway: Is there a proper method to madness for fine tuning RTS/CTS/Threshold (router side)?
16:28 < Irritiable|LT> Total devices that connect to my router are: ~11 (all at once). Bandwith usage varies (torrenting on one or more PCs), PS4: Pro and Netflix ("TV" although technically it's not a "TV"). Range from the router varies from 10ft to 40ft.
16:29 < shtrb|laptop> stonelore, You mean a non binary configuration
16:30 < SporkWitch> stonelore: i don't even see taht limitation in common usage these days, though people do tend to specify mac if they mean mac.
16:30 < electromagnetism> Yeah they want like $90 bucks for a decent peace of sandstone around here it's such a monopoly .
16:30 < Irritiable|LT> I am sure of the answer of this, but: I am assuming letting the channel selection of the router (5GHz band) stay on "Auto" is harmless? There are literally dozens of other non-SSID broadcasting 5GHz devices in the area from neighbors.
16:30 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: dunno about the pro, though i doubt they upgraded it, but the PS4 (regular) radio is absolute rubbish.  Definitely wire that shit
16:32 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I've only had a recent issue with it in general (after 2 laptops and 2 cellphones were thrown in the mix). I threw them on the 2.4GHz frequency and voila. Fixed. I did not resort to using QoS policies. I did, however, enable MMCU(?) on both 2.4GHz/5GHz.
16:32 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, 5Ghz is goot enough if you have neighbors (they should not interfere with you)
16:32 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I doubt anyone in this complex has their 20/40MHz co-existance disabled. Mine is. ;)
16:33 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: again, i'd wire the PS4.  The radio in it is terrible enough that even just an older microwave can cause drops and disconnections, not to mention poor throughput even with good signal.  If you can only have one thing wired, make it the PS4
16:33 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'll definitely take that into account. There's no wired connections on the router (it's actually pretty low on the floor).
16:33 < SporkWitch> ...
16:33 < Irritiable|LT> 4 wires max.
16:33 < Irritiable|LT> Yes. I'm aware. Ghetto setup.
16:34 < Irritiable|LT> That's the problem with having a poorly designed 1940s apartment complex. :p
16:34 < SporkWitch> more that you just said it had no wired connections, but now you're saying 4.  Make up your mind.
16:34 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, If you don't like too many wires you can always wire the PS to a pi that will act as a WiFi client (or buy a ~10USD box that does that )
16:34 < Irritiable|LT> I could definitely plug a modem in or a "wall phone" in a good spot!
16:34 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: that leaves you in one of two situations: double NAT, or very flaky wireless bridge
16:34 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I never said I have any wired connections. I said: "4 maximum." There are 4 ports available. 0 are used. I'd need to get a cable to hook up the PS4: Pro to the router.
16:34 < shtrb|laptop> There were that "Ethernet to WiFi" clients some time ago (just a dumb SOC that does the interaction for you)
16:35 < electromagnetism> get some 16" wifi antenna's to narrow the spectrum more distance more go juice
16:35 < SporkWitch> "There's no wired connections on the router " don't lie when the logs are right there
16:35 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Correct.
16:35 < Irritiable|LT> 0 wires are connected.
16:35 < SporkWitch> this is gonna be another one of those "i'm Irritiable|LT, i'm going to phrase things totally weird and non-standard to confuse people and then act like i'm not the one that's wrong" isn't it?
16:36 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, Didn't think that a bridge mode would be problematic for a PS , nice to know
16:36 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: it's a violation of the standards to bridge 802.11 and 802.3
16:36 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: it CAN work, but it's flaky, especially DHCP
16:37 < Irritiable|LT> Anyway. Thanks, SporkWitch. If/When I'm able to: I will wire the PS4: Pro if it causes any problems. The current fix works just fine. It was probably just dropping the connection occasionally due to someone torrenting. They're just a few feet through the wall (which is where the router's at).
16:37 < shtrb|laptop> I was using it for PCs and didn't find it too much of an issue (but my sample is too small to give a general rule)
16:37 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: i was using a similar setup for most of a year because there was no viable way to run a cable drop and my old wireless card for the desktop had kicked the bucket.
16:37 < Irritiable|LT> My main question, however absurd and quite possibly irrelevant is: Is there any way to fine tune the RTS/CTS/Threshold (router side)? Is there a method or simply a diagnostic software tool available?
16:38 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: raspi3 as client, wlan0 bridged to eth0
16:38 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, ~$10 plug and then a pi 1
16:38 < electromagnetism> 1/2 the speed with bridge mode though
16:39 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: the radio in the 3 is significantly better and still had issues, not because of the wireless connection, but because bridging 802.11 and 802.3 is a no-no
16:40 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, I did not have a 3 (was using 1 + a WiFi dongle) - had stuff and needed a solution when a cat (mammal) decided to interfere with the setup
16:41 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: if the cat wishes to interfere you must allow it; know your place, pitiful hooman
16:41 < Irritiable|LT> Lol!
16:41 < shtrb|laptop> cats and 802.1-3 is also a no-no
16:41 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Our cat used to attack the mouse (pointing device) when you didn't give her attention. The other attempt was to sit on the keyboar.
16:41 < Irritiable|LT> Keyboard. *
16:42 < shtrb|laptop> lol
16:42 < SporkWitch> clearly you were negligent in your duties; when kitty wants cuddles, you must cuddle
16:42 < Irritiable|LT> She was a silver tabby. She seldom wanted your attention unless it was: Feed me or let me outside.
16:43 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: https://web.archive.org/web/20110925231256/http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-ath5k-devel/2010/3/21/6871733 took me a minute to track it down, but THIS is why it's flaky as fuck
16:43 < shtrb|laptop> or check out the MIL STD (standard not the other STD) regulation of your (electronic ) equipment
16:43 < Irritiable|LT> She made a peculiar noise ('meow,' if you will) at some point in her life or perhaps I listened one day. I was finally able to decipher what she wanted. It was pretty useful. Although mimicking it back yielded odd results for a short bit. She died at a tender age of 13yrs. Her liver shut off.
16:44 < Irritiable|LT> (13 human years.)
16:44 < SporkWitch> this cat discussion seems to have summoned a catphish
16:44 < Irritiable|LT> Her mom (unknown age) died after 14yrs. She was a barn cat of a few years of age. Which is incredibly rare.
16:44 < Irritiable|LT> Lol!
16:44 <+catphish> morning :)
16:45 < Irritiable|LT> Silvertabby / barn cat *
16:45 < Irritiable|LT> Meowning, catphish..
16:45  * catphish likes cats
16:45  * Irritiable|LT loves kitties
16:45  * SporkWitch is a big fan of pussies
16:45 < Irritiable|LT> Wow, SporkWitch. Way to throw that sexually.
16:45 <+catphish> i wish my cat would use the catflap
16:45 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you have a smutty mind
16:45 <+catphish> stupid thing just sits outside in the rain until someone lets it in
16:45 < Irritiable|LT> Guilty.
16:45 < Irritiable|LT> Cat-trapped.
16:46 < SporkWitch> catphish: JUST sits, or does it sing the song of its people?
16:46 <+catphish> often a bit of both
16:46 < SporkWitch> hehe
16:46 < Irritiable|LT> Why are (smaller) felines hydrophobic yet lick themselves?
16:46 < SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKffm2uI4dk
16:47 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: it makes it harder for them to hear and smell prey / predators
16:48 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: it's also mostly housecats, and only if you don't teach them about water.  My last kitty loved water, but we'd given him baths since he was just a baby (he'd like to use the litter box as a sandbox to play in, and we didn't want him tracking poop around)
16:48 < SporkWitch> he'd yowl at the bathroom door if he heard the shower until you let him jump in with you
16:48 < Irritiable|LT> Really? I didn't know you could do that. We tried, but they were vehemently against it and had NO issue protesting it.
16:48 < jkemppainen> You had a cat that *liked* water?
16:49 < SporkWitch> he adored it
16:49 < redrabbit> lol that is crazy
16:49 < jkemppainen> What planet did you get them from? lol
16:49 < Irritiable|LT> Venus, I bet. ;)
16:49 < shtrb|laptop> It's all about how you do the setup
16:49 < SporkWitch> i was driving home and saw a sign that said 'free kittens' lol
16:49 < Irritiable|LT> "Razor" sharp claws and known as a 'Goddess?'
16:49 < redrabbit> my cat is fine with damp cotton gloves
16:50 < redrabbit> it cleans the fur properly without wetting too much
16:50 < SporkWitch> but yeah, we'd give him baths so he wouldn't track poop around (eventually he stopped playing in the litter box), and he eventually decided he likes water.  We discovered this when i was watching tv and heard my gf at the time scream from the bathroom.  I came running and he's curled up on her chest while she's laying in bubble bath lol
16:50 < Irritiable|LT> Lol
16:51 < SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4Sn91t1V4g
16:51 < Arpanet69> idunno but configureing ipv6 for a network even with the abbreviation still allot of work....
16:52 < Arpanet69> typo is easily made too ;\
16:52 < Dagger> less work than setting up and maintaining NAT is
17:01 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Do you know of a native Linux-based tool for fine-tuning the RTS/CTS values?
17:01 < Irritiable|LT> Or a manual method for calculating it?
17:01 < SporkWitch> https://google.com/
17:01 < Irritiable|LT> I tried that. It said to check in on ##networking on Freenode.
17:01 < SporkWitch> you'd think after spamming that every couple minutes for an hour and NO ONE answering you'd get the hint
17:01 < Irritiable|LT> Order of operations: Brain --> Google --> Forums --> IRC
17:02 < Irritiable|LT> If IRC fails: Support forums of the local insane aslyum for cats.
17:02 < Irritiable|LT> Thanks though!
17:05 < Arpanet69> Dagger, depends on the client .... object group rfc1918 acl attached to NAT inside source list ---> internet and done... compare to ipv6 statically configure between point-to-point routers/l3 switches with multiple redundant connections n a bgp transit area... maybe am doing it the hard way idunno
17:11 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Text-Terminal-HOWTO-11.html
17:12 < shtrb|laptop> and https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/8-iwconfig/
17:13 < tds> Arpanet69: running dual stack seems like too much effort to me, but I run v6-only internally and am happy with it
17:13 < tds> it generally just makes life easier and is a nicer solution than nat, no more split dns, etc
17:33 < superkuh> Anyone know how, or if it's possible, to flush the cached DNS entry for a particular domain on linux?
17:34 < skyroveRR> superkuh: well, you'd have to run the nscd daemon, which would then provide you an option to clear the DNS cache as it gets filled up.
17:34 < superkuh> My package manager is stuck on a bad mirror/ip for archive.canonical.com with 91.189.91.15 . But all the other mirrors/IPs work.
17:34 < skyroveRR> superkuh: and I think nscd comes.... as a separate package in ubuntu or whatever distro you use (since you take the name of canonical)
17:35 < skyroveRR> superkuh: other than that, I don't think there's any way to clear the DNS cache.
17:35 < superkuh> Alright. I appreciate the tip. I'll look into it.
17:35 < tds> there are various other caching resolvers you might be using (eg dnsmasq, systemd-resolved)
17:36 < tds> recent desktop versions of ubuntu do systemd-resolved by default iirc
17:40 < SporkWitch> systemd is doing DNS now, too? lol
17:41 < SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdmv2FQRHWg
17:45 < superkuh> Still on sysv init here.
17:49 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, s/systemd/svchost.exe/g
17:50 < shtrb|laptop> Specially that Windows deliver it's own flavor of GNU
17:50 < shtrb|laptop> GNU/NT ?
17:51 < SporkWitch> huh?
17:53 < shtrb|laptop> GNU/Windows ?
17:53 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, Windows deliver a way to run GNU envoirment under lxss
17:54 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, here is Debian/Windows or maybe Debian/NT I do not know how it should be correctly called
17:54 < shtrb|laptop> Debian Gnu/Windows maybe  ?
17:56 < SporkWitch> are you referring to the linux subsystem for windows?  if so, it's crippled and nigh-useless.  Better than putty, but it has no USB access, can't run any GUI applications (or WM or DE), and you have to install even the most basic commands that literally every distro on the planet bundles by default
17:56 < SporkWitch> I've tried integrating it into my workflow at work, since they refuse to either give me a mac or let me install linux on my work laptop, and it just can't get there.
17:57 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, lxss is what drives WSL - and if you choose correctly you will have a nice subset of tools preinstalled
17:59 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: how do you mean choose correctly?  The "official" way to use it is to enter the command to enable the subsystem in powershell, then install from the windows store.  The stuff from the store is the barest of barebones environments.
17:59 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: and the lack of USB access makes it useless for my purposes, since i can't access my keys
18:00 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, you can build your own rootfs (did that for debian sid), having xming allow you to have X
18:01 < SporkWitch> just more headache than i'm interested in.  The whole point of linux is AVOIDING all the headaches that windows entails.  All the subsystem does is create new headaches by dangling the illusion of a workable environment in front of you but preventing you from getting it
18:02  * shtrb|laptop looks at The project that shall not be named
18:02 < SporkWitch> ??
18:03 < shtrb|laptop> lol sorry , autocorrect for systemd`
18:05 < SporkWitch> ah
18:05 < SporkWitch> i'm opposed to systemd philosophically, but i've not actually had any issues with it
18:06 < shtrb|laptop> I didn't have an issue with that, my fire alarm service had an isue with that (didn't work because of it didn't recognize a verb )
18:06 < superkuh> Binary logs is too far.
18:10 < shtrb|laptop> How about crashing the system ? https://www.techworm.net/2016/10/can-crash-linux-systemd-single-tweet.html
18:10 < SporkWitch> like i said, i have not had any issues with it; i did not say no one has had any legitiamte issues with it
18:11 < shtrb|laptop> or maybe nuke kernel https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=76935 ?
18:14 < shtrb|laptop> systemd` is like hepetatitic A if you maintain proper sanitation all will be ok, but take one bad sip from a cup or get one bad salad and you will be sitting on the throne and hating the day you ever though to get close to it
18:15 < shtrb|laptop> not deadly (in most cases) just a pain in the #%@
18:40 < DrunkRhino> Anyone have a good suggestion for a hostname for a phone? Got kind of a "garden" naming scheme going on. My pi is yggdrasil, I've settled on "bonsai" for the desktop, and the router's called "gate".
18:41 < TandyUK> some sort of plant/flower wheres its petals/seeds float off on the wind maybe?
18:41 < TandyUK> or just "phone" lol
18:41 < TandyUK> thats about the extent of my imagination
18:42 < shtrb|laptop> DrunkRhino, Hvergelmir
18:42 < TandyUK> if theres more than 1 phone, "phone1" "phone2" etc lol
18:42 < shtrb|laptop> DrunkRhino, Mimsbrunnr ?
18:42 < electromagnetism> tobacco
18:42 < DrunkRhino> TandyUK, your idea was my first thought, but I'm drawing blanks on the names of any like it.
18:44 < DrunkRhino> shtrb|laptop: I was hoping for something shorter, I just picked yggdrasil for the pi since I'm running a bunch of different services on it, and its handling a lot of lower level backbone stuff :p
18:46 < shtrb|laptop> Sokar ?
18:46 < shtrb|laptop> Yu ?
18:46 < shtrb|laptop> (only if an old phone)
18:48 < DrunkRhino> Hah, I might just change my netbook to use one of those. I have it named "thorian" right now. I know the naming scheme I'm going with the next time I have to set up a network though!
18:51 < shtrb|laptop> Charon ? (if that is your theme and the phone is fast enough )
18:51 < DrunkRhino> The scheme before was Mass Effect inspired so the phone being new was Normandy and the desktop was Citadel
18:52 < DrunkRhino> Charon? Like ferryman of the river Styx, Charon?
18:52 < shtrb|laptop> Charon is the moon that was a mass relay
18:52 < shtrb|laptop> allowed transfer faster than light
18:54 < shtrb|laptop> DrunkRhino, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mass_Effect_characters#Setting
18:54 < DrunkRhino> Not something I'd associate with "garden" though :P Thorian was 'cause it was ancient (the netbook is at least 8 years old at this point)
18:55 < DrunkRhino> And also kind of monstrous, while still technically fitting within the definition of "plant"
18:56 < shtrb|laptop> I wonder if you can run mass effect over wine
18:57 < shtrb|laptop> wine the software , not C2H6O stuff :)
18:58 < electromagnetism> playonlinux ?
19:01 < shtrb|laptop> playonlinux is just a wine (the software) wrapper
19:01 < DrunkRhino> shtrb|laptop: I intend to test it out on my desktop after I've got my pi and netbook all re-configured. (and possibly mesa-git, if I can be bothered)
19:03 < electromagnetism> yeah playonlunux I used it the other day, I thought I seen masseffect on there, that's why I mentioned it, playonlinux is kinda crappy in my opinion,
19:04 < shtrb|laptop> now with the stupid always online feature, games become less playbale
19:04 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I flipped the router (IPv6) to "Auto config" and it throws itself on the "DHCP" setting automatically.
19:05 < shtrb|laptop> Where is my null modem and where do we get a duke nukem lan party ?!
19:05 < Irritiable|LT> IPv6 is enabled (http://www.ipv6-test.com).
19:05 < Irritiable|LT> However: This site claims the hostname is unresolvable (rDNS provided by TWC)?
19:06 < Irritiable|LT> In fact: IRC doesn't even resolve the hostname.
19:06 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: maybe there isn't one :)
19:06 < Irritiable|LT> ICMP is blocked by the router (Netgear as a whole refuses to undo this; calling it a: "Major security breach").
19:06 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: But I want the world to know me as a name, not a number!
19:07 < shtrb|laptop> LEDE ?
19:07 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: you won't be able to do IPv6 properly at all with ICMP blocked :(
19:07 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: i don't know why you're pinging me about it; i haven't weighed in on the ipv6 stuff at all other than to point out that most ISPs seem to implement it wrong / badly
19:07 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: It's a hardware router based issue. I am sad.
19:07 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, LEDE could be your friend
19:07 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I was hoping you might have the information off hand. /shrug
19:07 <+catphish> though it's likely the router isnt really blocking all icmp, and will allow the essential connection related stuff
19:07 < Irritiable|LT> What is "LEDE?"
19:08 <+catphish> open source firmware for most consumers routers
19:08 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Multiple sources cite that Netgear is the culprit (even on the official Netgear support forums from staff).
19:08 <+catphish> culprit for what? i missed what the actual problem is
19:08 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: IPv6 requires a fair few ports open to function correctly; can't just set an allow established and drop the rest
19:09 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I do not utilize firewalls. In fact: This laptop is DMZ'd.
19:09 < SporkWitch> no i don't remember which ports those are off the top of my head
19:09 <+catphish> SporkWitch: locally no, routing you probably can
19:09 <+catphish> SporkWitch: also, not ports, icmp
19:09 < Irritiable|LT> http://www.ipv6-test.com/speedtest/ says IPv6 connection is ~10Mbps faster.
19:10 < Irritiable|LT> However: The Nighthawk router is blocking ICMP
19:10 <+catphish> ipv6 takes different routes, often speed will vary as a result
19:10 < Irritiable|LT> Oh well. I suppose I'll survive. :|
19:10 < SporkWitch> catphish: yeah, sorry, several ICMP requests and replies have to be allowed, but that includes for routing, since it's needed for the router advertisements to establish the routes
19:10 < Irritiable|LT> Linksys supports ICMP?
19:10 <+catphish> SporkWitch: router advertisements aren't routed, they're local
19:10 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: honestly, for SOHO stuff, look into Asus.  They're making some REALLY good stuff.
19:11 < Irritiable|LT> The mobo company?
19:11 < SporkWitch> catphish: ISP advertising to yours
19:11 <+catphish> SporkWitch: no
19:11 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: they make a lot more than just mobos
19:11 < Irritiable|LT> I did not know ASUS made routers... Jeez.
19:11 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: it may not be a problem anyway, so long as it all works :)
19:11 < SporkWitch> Routers, laptops, GPUs, mobos
19:11 < Irritiable|LT> LOL
19:11 < pekster> Don't forget monitors :)
19:11 < SporkWitch> yup
19:11 < Irritiable|LT> I was about to ask (satire): GPUs too?
19:12 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Yes. It 'works,' but it's irritating.
19:12 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: yes, my GTX 1060 is from asus
19:12 < Irritiable|LT> I suppose I'll live.
19:12 < Irritiable|LT> Thanks.
19:12 < SporkWitch> or was this one PNY? I  can't remember now
19:12 < Irritiable|LT> nVidia?
19:12 <+catphish> well i don't have ipv6 at all at home, ISP can't seem to get it working on their PPPoE endpoints
19:13 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: nvidia designs the chipset, but many companies make the cards.
19:13 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Ah.
19:13 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Switch ISPs? :)
19:13 < shtrb|laptop> catphish, you can use a broker
19:13 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: not an option (i could gain ipv6, but at the cost of all my speed)
19:14 < shtrb|laptop> I think that open-mesh had been giving one in the past for free if you would connect to their network
19:14 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: in any case, yes, Asus makes a LOT of stuff, and it tends to be very good quality, especially for the price.  The Asus routers in particular are impressive, and the stock firmware does most of what people install things like  dd-wrt for.  They even offer their own DDNS service for free with the router
19:14 < Irritiable|LT> By the way: Linux connects to the router's WiFi way faster now. It was annoying waiting ~30s per reconnect. Now it's ~5s.
19:14 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Understandable. No real gain in IPv6 over IPv4 for now (will be soon, I hope).
19:14 <+catphish> i could of course set up a tunnel, but i don't see any point, waste of bandwidth for no gain
19:15 <+catphish> and needlessly longening my routes
19:15 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: That is awesome. Netgear offers the same thing (and more). It seems that Netgear's more oriented for 'in home' use with kids.
19:16 < SporkWitch> i've never been impressed by netgear's quality; always had issues with them, though i have heard the nighthawk get brought up a few times.
19:16 <+catphish> my latency is 4ms, i'd likely double that if i used a tunnel to do ipv6, so no benefit really
19:16 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Firmware updates come rather often.
19:16 < CuriosTiger> My general rule of thumb with NetGear: Equipment in metal enclosure good. Equipment in plastic enclosure bad.
19:16 < CuriosTiger> I have some older NetGear hubs and unmanaged switches. Never a problem.
19:17 < Irritiable|LT> We had an old Linksys hub as a kid.
19:17 < CuriosTiger> catphish: Unless you have a node really close by, you'd probably do far more than double it.
19:17 < SporkWitch> and that's the thing, when you're talking about netgear, you're usually talking about their plastic consumer-grade gear lol
19:17 < Dagger> catphish: are you near London? my tunnel adds roughly no extra latency because all of my traffic goes through the same place anyway
19:17 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: What's your issue with plastic? :p
19:17 < CuriosTiger> SporkWitch: Yeah, but the correlation is still funny.
19:17 < Irritiable|LT> Plastic's more durable than metal.
19:17 < Irritiable|LT> Most guns are made of plastic.
19:17 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: not the point in this case
19:17 <+catphish> CuriosTiger: i'd route it through my network in london, not really much of a detour
19:17 < Dagger> (not that I care too much about the latency; v6 is too useful to just turn the tunnel off)
19:18 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Then what is the complaint? Plastic doesn't disapate heat as fast?
19:18 < CuriosTiger> catphish: Ah, your own network rather than some tunnel broker thing.
19:18 < Irritiable|LT> dissipate *
19:18 <+catphish> CuriosTiger: yeah, i think HE's tunnels route everything via DE or NL
19:18 < CuriosTiger> Irritiable|LT: Netgear tends to put shittier electronics in their appliances with plastic enclosures.
19:18 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: don't get me started on that; the civilian model Beretta 92FS is actually superior to the military M9 for the simple fact that they use a metal spring guide instead of a composite; the composite warps over time and causes jams
19:18 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: see CuriosTiger's comment
19:18 < CuriosTiger> Irritiable|LT: Like home routers that lock up and need to be physically power cycled several times a week.
19:19 < SporkWitch> (seriously, don't get in a fight with military or ex-military about firearms lol)
19:19 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I saw his comment; on the mentioning of guns: Uhm, what? I'm not arguing specific guns, models and designs. I am arguing simply a fact that: Plastic is MORE durable than metal. It is a fact. Guns contain A LOT of plastic (the handle, magazine clip, etc). The H&K I have has a metal barrel. Everything else is mostly plastic.
19:20 < Irritiable|LT> "plastic is harder than metal" - Google
19:20 < CuriosTiger> Irritiable|LT: If you saw my comment, you didn't understand it. You took it to be commentary on the relative suitability of plastic vs metal enclosures, when it was actually commentary on the correlation by the choice of housing and the quality of the hardware.
19:20 < Irritiable|LT> I never got into fights on the military base. I only had a few rifles pointed at my face when my mom photographed the Stealth bomber.
19:20 < Irritiable|LT> ... Followed by them confiscating the reel.
19:21 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: to be clear, it's not just plastic, but various composites, and it depends on the component it's used in.  The MAIN reason you see lots of composites used in firearms is the simple fact that it's cheaper in materials and fabrication.  I gave you a very good example of why you don't want composites for some components, especially in something where if it doesn't work you can end up
19:21 < SporkWitch> dead
19:21 < Irritiable|LT> CuriosTiger: Yes. I saw that in the after comment. I was assuming you were arguing some sort of specific relating to heat dissipation. Then perhaps aethstetics; not the general consenseus of economic pricing of plastic vs. metal.
19:22 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I agree.
19:22 < jvwjgames> anyone know anything about curl and how to trouble shoot
19:22 < CuriosTiger> Irritiable|LT: Not a general consensus either. A correlation specific to NetGear products.
19:22 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: the plastic-vs-metal comment, if you did read it, you clearly didn't understand.  He was setting a rule of thumb: the stuff netgear sells in plastic enclosures tends to be crap, while the enterprise gear (typically in metal enclosures) is not.  It's not that it's plastic that makes it suck, it's that the stuff that sucks tends to be plastic.
19:22 < shtrb|laptop> jvwjgames, !ask
19:22 < shtrb|laptop> jvwjgames, just ask away
19:22 < SporkWitch> @ask
19:22 < SporkWitch> !ask
19:22 < shtrb|laptop> lol
19:22 < SporkWitch> that's right, the bot was murdered in here
19:22 < Irritiable|LT> :|
19:23  * SporkWitch needs to set up an AHK macro
19:23 < Irritiable|LT> You're on Windows?
19:23 < SporkWitch> at the moment, though AHK is also available on linux last i knew
19:23 < Irritiable|LT> Not exactly what I was aiming for.
19:23 < Irritiable|LT> VBS script + Windows hotkey to execute the VBS script would probably be better overall.
19:24 < jvwjgames> so i am using cloudmin and whmcs and i am trying to get whmcs to connect to cloudmin i keep getting a curl error 56 recv error connection reset by peer
19:24 < SporkWitch> ... wtf would i use some microsoft proprietary garbage that mostly serves as a malware vector when i can use something FOSS, multiplatform, and reliable?
19:24 < shtrb|laptop> jvwjgames, add -v and ascii output
19:25 < Irritiable|LT> Because AHK/AU3 would have to be a running process 24/7. Waste of resources. I'm on a laptop: I like the longevity of my 20hr battery life (with use). >:)
19:25 < Irritiable|LT> ... And VBS is not garbage. It is a language. That's as bad as racism.
19:25 < shtrb|laptop> jvwjgames, --trace-ascii to see the data sent
19:26 < shtrb|laptop> jvwjgames, curl ... -v --trace-ascii -
19:26 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you're running windows, the integrated spyware is sucking up far more battery than AHK; and yes, VB in any form is garbage, and that's putting it nicely
19:32 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Malware?!
19:32 < Irritiable|LT> Poking holes at the OS being sarcastic or literal 'malware?'
19:32 < Irritiable|LT> I'm assuming you're using Windows at work (W10 knowing dumb companies)
19:33 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: have you read the Windows EULA?  Have you looked at ANY of the nasty shit Windows 10 does?
19:34 < SporkWitch> honestly, i'm amazed MSFT even tried to refuse to give the government data from a server in the EU; normally they're bending over backwards to proactively give the gov what it doesn't even know it wants yet
19:34 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I briefly used Windows 8.1 on a friends box, then Windows 10 on this latop and her friend's laptop (which I promptly threw Windows 7: Pro on).
19:34 < Irritiable|LT> Everything on Windows 10 is enabled by default (Windows 7 has that useless junk defaulted as NO).
19:35 < SporkWitch> at least as early as XP, the EULA is such taht MSFT is welcome to grab anything they want off your computer; it's only gotten worse
19:35 < Irritiable|LT> Decrappify Windows v2 Powershell script works great.
19:35 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, many places put win10 behind their own net
19:36 < Irritiable|LT> Windows XP may have, but the OS is fairly lean. Remove the parts you don't like. Call it illegal and cry all day, but stop and use your brain: Who would know? No one. You disable that.
19:36 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Please say that's a bad joke.
19:36 < Irritiable|LT> Windows 10 pretty much only offers DX12 and I don't think anything even uses that (what's worth playing anyway).
19:36 < SporkWitch> and as soon as they release a patch it can flip it all back, and since patches are no longer something you can control, you WILL be patching, since they don't separate security patches from malware anymore, so you either get everything or nothing.
19:37 < Irritiable|LT> I used Windows XP: SP3 up 'til 2011? or so. Then I started using Windows 7: Pro.
19:37 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, no, that is actual policy put win10 on different network because it is so unsecure
19:37 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: The "Windows update servers" work good on Windows XP+ still.
19:37 < SporkWitch> i'm not arguing about whether it's legal to modify or not, i'm saying it's a massive headache, introduces countless new issues, requires constant work and monitoring, and the list goes on.
19:38 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: *shiver* Windows 10 being used at all... Terrible.
19:38 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I see.
19:38 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Did I mention I'm quite the avid reverse engineer?
19:38 < SporkWitch> are you retarded?  The XP update servers have been shut down for years.  Even Windows 7 goes COMPLETELY out of support in 2020
19:38 < SporkWitch> no, and based on all the shit i've seen you say in the past 24 hours, i wouldn't believe you if you did.
19:38 < SporkWitch> Now if you said you were a 12 year old skiddie? taht I'll buy
19:39 < Irritiable|LT> Am I retarded? No. Windows 10 allegedly dropped free upgrades in 2016.
19:39 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, not all of us live in true and succesfull communism - some of us need to use win10
19:39 < Irritiable|LT> You know they didn't officially die until 2017?
19:39 < Irritiable|LT> 2017 / 2018 *
19:39 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, winxp got updates few months ago :P
19:39 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Shhh.
19:39 < Irritiable|LT> "Retarded" comment.
19:40 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: only if you were sufficiently up to date already; install from any of the standard ISOs and you couldn't patch lol
19:40 < Irritiable|LT> End point: Windows 8 / 8.1 / 10 are the worst operating systems in the HISTORY of operating systems (second  to Macintosh).
19:40 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: came up when i was setting up some target boxes back in 2016
19:40 < Irritiable|LT> "only if."
19:40  * Irritiable|LT facepalm
19:40 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you've obviously not used ME
19:40 < Irritiable|LT> Yes I have. 2000 / ME in 2002.
19:40 < Irritiable|LT> Neighbor used it. LOL
19:41 < SporkWitch> and you're actually trying to say 8 was worse? rofl
19:41 < Irritiable|LT> You must think just because I didn't learn about IPv6 15yrs ago: I know nothing. Pardon me.
19:41 < SporkWitch> 8 may be shit, but it at least WORKED
19:41 < Irritiable|LT> Sort of.
19:41 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, I used SP3 which got updates recently (there is a tone of updates)
19:41 < SporkWitch> not "sort of," it was a point release on vista, just like 7 was, it just threw on a terrible menu
19:41 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Which would you rather use of the four: Windows Vista, 7, 8 or 8.1?
19:42 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: yeah, if you were on SP3; the patch servers it used if you WEREN"T on SP3 were shut down ages ago, so you have to go digging around to find the SP3 standalone patcher to get it up to date enough to look for the new patch servers
19:42 < SporkWitch> 7, especially since the only actual improvements made in 8 were backported to it
19:43 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'm not worried about your statement being made. I'm offended by the ad hominem at worst. Just ignore it. You're fine.
19:43 < Irritiable|LT> I'm glad we can agree on that! :)
19:43 < Irritiable|LT> I prefer Windows 7 over Windows XP.
19:43 < inire> http://download.wsusoffline.net/
19:43 < Irritiable|LT> On an incredibly old system with low resources: Windows XP hands down.
19:43 < inire> grabs old patches too
19:43 < SporkWitch> inire: not really the point
19:43 < Irritiable|LT> ~80MB RAM, 1% idle CPU. Full networking and everything. Fully booted. Standard ISO.
19:44 < inire> SporkWitch acknowledged.
19:44 < Irritiable|LT> My boot time on my 1.8GHz (single "core" CPU) was about 15s.
19:44 < Irritiable|LT> (That's 15s including the BIOS!)
19:44 < Irritiable|LT> No. I am referring to a cold boot; none of that hibernate/sleep trash.
19:45 < SporkWitch> inire: he was saying the XP update servers were still up; they are not.  Even before support officially ended, if you weren't already up to date they HAD shut down the original update servers, so anything before a certain patch could no longer patch up without you manually tracking them down
19:45 < inire> ah, sorry, missed the xp update server part
19:45 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Which distro of Linux do you use at home and why?
19:45 < inire> back to my hole, don't mind me, thought you meant 7
19:45 < Irritiable|LT> inire: Bye. :)
19:46 < SporkWitch> inire: yeah; basically all indications are we're dealing with a typical skiddie
19:46 < Irritiable|LT> I'm sure you also use the term "phone phreak?"
19:46 < Irritiable|LT> Oh wait. The '90s called.
19:46 < Irritiable|LT> No. They're out of phone booths.
19:47 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, my pi has more power than that
19:47 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: kubuntu for workstations.  well-supported, and it bundles in most of the stuff i'd be installing anyway, with little that i'd have skipped.  I run Debian and CentOS on my servers, depending on what they're hosting (kolab is better supported on centos than debian)
19:47 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Blueberry or rasberry?
19:47 < shtrb|laptop> lol
19:47 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'm surprised you didn't default to ArchLinux/FreeBSD/Gentoo...
19:48 < Irritiable|LT> Running Lubuntu on this laptop. 250MB RAM usage after everything was tweaked in the main reasoning behind it. That and XFCE DE is #1.
19:48 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: i've used all of those before and intermittently; while the extra control is nice, the extra headaches aren't worth it.  There are only so many hours in a day and if i can get something that "just works" without significant trade-offs, i'd rather spend the time using my computer, not working on it.
19:48 < Irritiable|LT> That's an old argument. I think I read it in an article once.
19:49 < Irritiable|LT> Oh wait. Linus said it himself.
19:49 < SporkWitch> the age of the argument does not in itself determine its merit.
19:49 < Irritiable|LT> Of course not. It was a hilariously sly way of referring your hilarious 'skiddie' accusation.
19:49 < SporkWitch> wouldn't know, the only linus quote i recall is when he went off on nvidia
19:49 < Irritiable|LT> Very recent Linux conference with Linus; he reiterated that argument when questioned about which distro he uses (Ubuntu) and why.
19:50 < SporkWitch> don't want to get called a skiddie, stop acting like one
19:50 < Irritiable|LT> Because you choose to use a garbage scripting language on Winblows and dislike VBS: You resort to calling me a "skiddie." Interesting to say the least.
19:50 < SporkWitch> again, wouldn't know; it's not something i follow closely.  Tends to be more politics and celebrity worship, which i don't care for or about.
19:51 < Irritiable|LT> You must not hang around enough skiddies to know one. I, unfortunately, do. They are quite obnoxious with their idiotic questions and begging to be spoonfed what I consider to be quite common information (if you take the time of day to learn how Windows works).
19:51 < Irritiable|LT> EG: The kernel and what ring0 evn is.
19:51 < SporkWitch> because i choose to use a free, multiplatform tool that serves its purpose just fine with negligible resource usage, as opposed to an objectively terrible scripting language that's proprietary to MSFT and Windows, that primarily serves as a malware vector, you mean?
19:51 < Irritiable|LT> The more obnoxious questions regarding UPX and reverse engineering or even the .NET framework related questions.
19:51 < SporkWitch> no, it's the collection of your ignorance and self-felating comments that make you look like a skiddie
19:51 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: AU3 works just fine.
19:52 < Irritiable|LT> "that's proprietary to MSFT and Windows." Exactly. On that note: Why are you using AHK? What shitty client are you using?
19:53 < Irritiable|LT> What shitty IRC client are you using? * Why do you not simply write a native script for said IRC client? Skiddie.
19:53 < Irritiable|LT> VBS is used for far more than 'malware.' VBS is used in a lot of things and is native to pretty much every Windows distro alive. The only one that exists on Windows 286+ is WSH.
19:53 < Irritiable|LT> Sadly: I do not know if MS-DOS ran WSH. I'm assuming it does.
19:54 < Irritiable|LT> Windows Scripting Host, before you have to ask.
19:54 < SporkWitch> i don't use it only for IRC.  I primarily use AHK for work, makes it easy to quickly slap in templates in comments / chats, as well as other boilerplate instructions.  Saves a LOT of keystrokes, and it doesn't care whether it's a browser, discord, irc, our own chat program, and the list goes on.  It's also not tied to windows.
19:54 < Irritiable|LT> Why would it care... OK.
19:54 < Irritiable|LT> I'll finish my food and think for a minute.
19:55 < SporkWitch> yes, and its (VBS) native support and integration is why it's such a common malware vector; it's also useless outside of windows, and like EVERYTHING MSFT, doing anything in it is a good way to make sure you have a nightmare of a time if you ever decide to support anything else.
19:56 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, MS-DOS did not have VB it had been using batch
19:57 < SporkWitch> as to why it would care, if i write it in the IRC client, i can use it in the IRC client, and that's it.  If I do it in AHK, i can use it anywhere text entry is accepted, making it more useful, as i don't only use IRC.  I could do quite a lot with this client (kvirc is ridiculously scriptable), I don't, because it would take the same amount of time and effort but would only work in that client.
20:00 < macgyver_> hi I want to connect a laptop with home computer so when I travel to differnet city I could use the laptop and control my home computer, is that easy?
20:00 < macgyver_> what steps should I do?
20:01 < SporkWitch> macgyver_: if your router supports hosting a VPN server you could do that, otherwise you'd need to set up port forwarding
20:01 < shtrb|laptop> macgyver_, setup a vpn server and a vpn client on your laptop
20:02 < macgyver_> is that a paid service?
20:02 < SporkWitch> macgyver_: not if you host the server yourself
20:03 < shtrb|laptop> install openvpn server on your home computer and client on your laptop
20:03 < shtrb|laptop> setup p/fw to make it all work
20:04 < macgyver_> is p/fw safe or I am in danger?
20:04 < SporkWitch> yes, we're telling you to do things that are dangerous without any warning or cautionary message...
20:06 < shtrb|laptop> macgyver_, having p/fw enabled to an unsecure service is a bad idea, it's is like having another door to your house , if you don't put a good lock you will be mugged
20:06 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I'm aware MS-DOS never used VBS (it supported BASIC, QBASIC and FreeBasic; not Visual Basic). I said MS-DOS ran WSH (Windows Scripting Host).
20:07 < hirogen> any citrix guru's here?
20:07 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Okay. That's a fair argument. I'd personally just write it for the client (it will be universally portable to anything that uses whatever IRC client you're on).
20:08 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: and not salesforce, discord, mumble, or any of a dozen other programs, that the AHK macro WILL work in
20:08 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, WSH depend on non MS-DOS features (anything over Windows 95 that needs the UI to start is no longer MS-DOS related)
20:08 < Zexaron> What do you guys think about this assertion: https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04-08-net-neutrality-is-a-left-wing-control-scheme-that-grants-google-and-facebook-monopoly-power.html
20:09 < SporkWitch> from the URL alone, it's as retarded as ajit pai
20:09 < jkemppainen> > left wing control scheme
20:09 < jkemppainen> HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA.
20:09 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Discord is trash IMO. I used X-Fire for a long while when it was released. IRC is the only other major thing I use... I used to use Pidgin before it got tossed due to encrypted protocols and custom protocols and all that garbage for the millions of clients out there. It was obnoxious trying to use an IRC client / MSN client / YIM client / AIM client / Facebook (browser) / etc.
20:09 < shtrb|laptop> from the URL alone that sound like some technoligcally challanged assertment
20:09 < Zexaron> haha, omg you guys, what if it's true, that's exactly AJIT PAI is resisting it, because it's true!
20:09 < mast> "left wing control scheme"
20:09 < jkemppainen> Zexaron: Thanks for the URL, needed a good belly laugh!
20:10 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: To further: I don't see WHY you would use an AHK script for IRC and argue that you'll use it equally in Discord. That's just absurd to me.
20:10 < mast> But the real question is if its actually possible to get *more* retarded than that
20:10 < shtrb|laptop> This site is blocked in your location :D
20:10 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: discord's chat is on par with IRC, its voice quality comparable to any other (since they all use the same CODEC these days), its permissions are superior to TS3 and Vent, it is free.
20:10 < shtrb|laptop> lol
20:11 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: seeing as it came up because we didn't have a bot to respond to !ask, i don't see how you can keep claiming not to be some ignorant skiddie and say that.  Do you honestly thing we don't have the same problem with asking to ask or other stupid google questions on a large discord server?
20:11 < SporkWitch> s/thing/think/
20:11 < Zexaron> Obviously I share half of what you guys do, it's only a little key bit that the disagreement is upon
20:11 < shtrb|laptop> Isn't being a skiddie what land in you in so many sweet jobs ?
20:11 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: You're correct. WSH was released for Windows 95 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Script_Host). Again: I was unsure if MS-DOS used it or not. Batch scripts are a given (as are EXE/COMs).
20:12 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Your entire basis for the argument shifts over to: Because I don't use what the popular kids around the block are using, I am dubbed a "skiddie?" LOL
20:12 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: it might get you a gig with geek squad or something on a comparable level, but it's not going to get you anything solid, at least not reliably.  You have to actually understand what you're doing to get anywhere decent.
20:12 < Zexaron> shtrb laptop: is that true, is it really blocked ?
20:12 < Zexaron> screenshot please
20:12 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: no, as has been repeatedly pointed out, your ignorance and self-felating comments are what get you labeled a skiddie
20:13 < Zexaron> that would be highly appreciated shtrb
20:13 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you don't have to use the tool to understand its usecases
20:13 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Ignorance regarding networking and IPv6. Absolutely.
20:13 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: oh, you've made it quite clear the scope of your ignorance is far wider than that
20:13 < shtrb|laptop> Zexaron, I would rather not (it has my actual ISP and username there :D)
20:13 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: No shit? I know too many ignorant persons with vehicle issues and guess who gets asked for help?
20:13 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Such as?
20:13 < Zexaron> shtrb: just black them out or something, crop
20:14 < shtrb|laptop> too much hassle
20:14 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: such as the last half hour lol; if you've read any of it you sure as shit didn't understand any of it
20:14 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Lands you jobs? Who would want a shitty $100k/yr entry level job in programming (not writing retarded scripts for a $15/hr network admin job)?
20:14 < macgyver_> shtrb|laptop can I avoid p/fw and connect my laptop in a different way with home pc?
20:14 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: $48k/yr entry level truck driving is much more preferred. In 2yrs: $100k/yr and 12wks. vacation time every year.
20:15 < Irritiable|LT> Paid vacation *
20:15 < SporkWitch> lol, you're doing DAMNED good if you find 100k/yr entry level in this saturated market lol
20:15 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, A 100K is a good salary (if you can leave outside)
20:15 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: There's YOUR ignorance shining again.
20:15 < SporkWitch> no, it's not lol
20:15 < Irritiable|LT> The local city government here offers $50k/yr for starters.
20:15 < Irritiable|LT> Private? Phew!
20:15 < shtrb|laptop> *if you can live outside
20:15 < SporkWitch> it's my mate who DOES know what he's doing making a mere 5k/yr more than me with a B.Sc. from RIT lol
20:16 < Irritiable|LT> Rhode Island Technology? rofl
20:16 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I can and do. ;)
20:16 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, if you can have a 100K you and live somewhere like Central or East Europe it would be a very good gig
20:16 < SporkWitch> yes, 50k is a much more reasonable entry rate; even security-focused positions only start around 70-80k in most regions
20:17 < SporkWitch> Rochester Institute of Technology; we regularly kick MIT's ass lol
20:17 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: That's $50k/yr from the LOCAL GOVERNMENT. Low wages here for that, given the HUGE population spike from 500k to 2m+
20:18 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: skilled civilian positions in government tend to pay quite well, actually; that 50k would be quite normal for a programmer in the commercial sector as well
20:18 < SporkWitch> entry level, anyway
20:18 < SporkWitch> (which is what you said)
20:18 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: All-in-all: Minus your retarded ad hominems: You're pretty fun to argue with. Although you're quite wrong about the mildly offensive, yet hilarious "skiddie" comment. My girlfriend noted that you took offense to it when I called you that.
20:18 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, 100K is almost twice the (average) monthly salary in central and eastern Europe.
20:18 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you're not wrong because you're a retarded skiddie, you're wrong AND you're a retarded skiddie.  That's not an ad hominem.
20:18 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: $100k (private up north; by NY) to $50k (public; down south).
20:19 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I don't know about the European economy what-so-ever. Only what the average wages are in various spots in the programming sector of America (not networking skiddie depot).
20:19 < Irritiable|LT> 'Network admin.'
20:19 < SporkWitch> you might find slightly higher in NYC or Boston due to cost of living; again, 100k is  not a normal entry level programming rate.  50-70k is much more likely
20:20 < Irritiable|LT> Wow.
20:20 < SporkWitch> it's almost kind of sad, i used to think the same thing a decade ago before i actually started LOOKING at entry level positions
20:20 < Irritiable|LT> $20k range. Sweet. Think you covered enough ranges there?
20:21 < Irritiable|LT> Really skillful check. I'll wager: $5k - $100k.
20:21 < Irritiable|LT> LOL
20:21 < SporkWitch> holy fuck you're dumb *facepalm*
20:21 < Irritiable|LT> [13:19:52] <SporkWitch>  50-70k is much more likely
20:21 < Irritiable|LT> $20k...
20:22 < Irritiable|LT> No, but you are.
20:22 < Irritiable|LT> That's like offering a job working at Taco Bell: Come make $1k-$20k today!
20:22 < Irritiable|LT> .... Yeah..... OK.
20:22 < SporkWitch> yes, depending on the area, where you got your degree, other experience, etc., 50-70k would be a normal entry-level programmer's salary.  100k?  VERY unlikely, not at entry level.  Even something as in-demand as security only bumps up to 115-125k in certain areas and with 4+ years experience
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> My bad, SporkWitch. A quick Google check shows that your dumb answer was FAR more accurate! It seems in the last 10yrs: The economy nose-dove.
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> $74k-$113k Entry Level Software Engineer Jobs in Austin, TX
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> $40k range sounds more realistic than $20k.
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Jobs/Entry-Level-Software-Engineer/-in-Austin,TX
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> Software
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> Estimated: $89,000 - $120,000 a year.
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> Local entry.
20:23 < Irritiable|LT> So anyway.
20:24 < SporkWitch> austin has a high cost of living and skyrocketing property values; if you target only places with very high cost of living, yes, you will see higher rates (and also make much less in effect, thanks to that cost of living)
20:24 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, either salaries had changed or that I was suggested not a good salary for that area (was slightly higher than your entry level , but I arrived with not an entry level experience)
20:24 < Irritiable|LT> Actually: No. It's not the cost of living. LOL
20:24 < SporkWitch> yes, it is the cost of living
20:24 < Irritiable|LT> Cost of living has been pretty standard for decades.
20:24 < Irritiable|LT> Are you from here?
20:24 < Irritiable|LT> I'll buy you a cup of coffee.
20:24 < Irritiable|LT> The local tarrif has had more of an effect than the last 20yrs.
20:24 < SporkWitch> sure ya will kid; let me know when your parents give you your allowance lol
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: North or South?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> East or West side?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Buda, Del Valle?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Round Rock? Plfugerville?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Mustang Ridge?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Name a city.
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> More towards SA?
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Balaxar county?
20:25 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: it's like talking to a creationist.  they just spam and spam and spam, without knowing a goddamned thing about anything lol
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> Name a spot.
20:25 < SporkWitch> !ops Irritiable|LT spam/flooding
20:25 < Irritiable|LT> You've repeatedly shown that. So: Where at?
20:26 < Irritiable|LT> I'm not shy to drive. 3,000mi trip from coast-to-cast is an easy 1.5day drive.
20:26 < Irritiable|LT> I've got plenty of time and money to burn right now.
20:27 < Irritiable|LT> No?
20:27 < Irritiable|LT> That's what I thought. You obviously don't know anything about the local economy. :)
20:27 < SporkWitch> lol
20:27 < Irritiable|LT> I can see why you use AHK now though.
20:27 < Irritiable|LT> I thought you actually knew more than that. My apologies for over-gauging you.
20:27 < SporkWitch> there there, one day you'll finish high school and have your own place
20:28 < Irritiable|LT> Never attended public school. Only college.
20:28 < shtrb|laptop> public school have such a different meaning in differnt places
20:28 < Irritiable|LT> Seems NYC is feeling the pinch from the tarriff too.
20:29 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I wouldn't know. The local ones I grew up by sported: Drug cartels and small gangs.
20:29 < Irritiable|LT> That and you influx of illegals (first half of my life).
20:29 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: he's implying that he went to university without actually finishing primary school
20:29 < Irritiable|LT> Your *
20:29 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom) but the same idea exist in other places
20:29 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Are you from Europe?
20:29 < shtrb|laptop> I got it
20:30 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: sorry, to be clear, he's saying he went to uni without EVER going to primary school
20:30 < shtrb|laptop> I got the idea, I'm slow but not that slow :)
20:30 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: "Implying?" I never said I attended a university. There we go again with the ignorance. Lol!
20:30 < Irritiable|LT> [13:28:12] <Irritiable|LT> Never attended public school. Only college.
20:30 < Irritiable|LT> College != University
20:30 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: what gets called college in the US is generally referred to as university outside the US; stop while you're behind.
20:30 < Irritiable|LT> "Primary school?" Meaning?
20:31 < Irritiable|LT> So now you are implying you aren't from the USA, yet live in the USA?
20:31 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, College is an education facility that is commenly reffered as School or university in English speaking countries
20:31 < Irritiable|LT> Story changes fast.
20:31 < shtrb|laptop> RIP English and my typing skills
20:31 < SporkWitch> that i know about things outside the US implies nothing other than that i know about things outside the US; nothing has changed, you're just getting dumber
20:32 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: College doesn't exist in NZ. They only have high schools (American college) and universities.
20:32 < shtrb|laptop> I stand corrected in my ignorace
20:32 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: It's fine. That's just one country. ;)
20:32 < Irritiable|LT> The globe is a diverse place. Not all English speaking countries ONLY speak English.
20:33 < Irritiable|LT> America doesn't even have a defined pronounced native language.
20:33 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: You either do or do not live in America.
20:33 < SporkWitch> i never said or implied that i did or did not
20:33 < Irritiable|LT> You implied it earlier. ^
20:33 < SporkWitch> true, my mentioning a mate at RIT does imply i was in the US at some point.
20:34 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, but as I said it is like the idom "School" which is used by the University of Canterbury or Otago
20:34 < Irritiable|LT> [13:24:55] <SporkWitch> sure ya will kid; let me know when your parents give you your allowance lol
20:34 < Irritiable|LT> "Let me know when" - Implies the answer is "true" thus you live here (and not only that; but locally in Austin, TX).
20:34 < SporkWitch> you would fail discrete maths course lol
20:34 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I never attended the infrastructure of the 'public schooling system' in America. I only attended college.
20:35 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: My 4.0 GPA disagrees.
20:35 < SporkWitch> your conduct here belies your claims
20:35 < Irritiable|LT> Think about who I am speaking to, then read that a second time.
20:35 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, failing discrete math is not a shame
20:35 < SporkWitch> you're also skipping from A to Z if you think "let me know when" implies anything about where i live lol
20:35 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I would disagree. Mathematics shows a compotence in logic and partial intelligence.
20:35 < shtrb|laptop> It is one of the most annoying , and hard classes one can take
20:35 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: i mean, it is if you think you're going to do any good at programming or logic lol
20:36 < Irritiable|LT> The latter falls under the pace (considering I attended 12hrs ("full time") for years; you tell me your internal comparison).
20:36 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'm sure you used discrete mathematics with your shitty choice of a scripting language to be used on your IRC client (which is equally poor, IMO).
20:37 < Irritiable|LT> I half way assumed you'd spout out xChat or something of the like.
20:37 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: you make a lot of assumptions, yet always end up wrong
20:37 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: What about Calculus III?
20:37 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Mirroring hurts only you.
20:37 < Irritiable|LT> I'd spend a while composing a quote and pointing out the psychology behind what I'm doing for you, as a free favor.
20:37 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, the course that is commonly called Discrete math is independent from the course that is called "Mathematical Logic" and I had found it as one of the hardest courses
20:37 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: i've not suffered here; your ignorance and faulty logic is present in the logs for all to see lol
20:37 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'll stop showing you your behavior. The end result is up to you.
20:38 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: discrete usually covers formal logic as well in US schools.
20:38 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: They don't offer that at the UT.
20:38 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, everyone have their week spots, I had found calculus easier
20:38 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Nor do they offer that at ACC.
20:38 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: My sibling ended up teaching the Calculus III class.
20:38 < Irritiable|LT> Good genetics. /shrug
20:39 < SporkWitch> okay, now i believe a 4.0; community college? seriously? lol  a lobotomized monkey could walk out of a community college with a 4.0
20:39 < Irritiable|LT> My weak spot falls under socialization (too many stupid persons in the world). That's about it.
20:39 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I refuse to believe you are a monkey!
20:39 < SporkWitch> while there's definitely a lot of stupid in the world, mate, i think you'll find you're a prime example if you were capable of any self-awareness
20:39 < Irritiable|LT> Your references to your "friend" also reflect your huge ego trip (aside from constant references with a funny contortion of the word: 'inflate').
20:39 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, Calculus to PDE are mostly learn and redo
20:40 < Irritiable|LT> A cheap and simple understanding of English vocabulary (just one step above the common folk around you).
20:40 < Irritiable|LT> $20 says you ONLY speak English.
20:40 < SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: it's not a contortion of the word inflate; may i suggest a disctionary? lol
20:40 < Irritiable|LT> Please don't. You'll refer me to Google again.
20:40 < SporkWitch> Danke fur die geld :)
20:40 < Irritiable|LT> Ja?
20:40 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, how does the number of languages have to do with anything ?
20:40 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: General IQ.
20:41 < SporkWitch> Ich gewohnt auf Deutschland fur 3 jahre, arschloch
20:41 < Irritiable|LT> I'm glad.
20:41 < shtrb|laptop> So If I can speak only one I'm inferiur to someone who know more ?
20:41 < Irritiable|LT> inferior *
20:41 < SporkWitch> number of languages has little reflection on IQ, mate; all it really comes down to is early exposure
20:41 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: The metric being used was mathematics, correct? I chose language skills as an example to point out something else psychologically based.
20:42 < SporkWitch> stick a functional retard in a bilingual family at a young enough age, he'll speak both just fine
20:42 < Irritiable|LT> This, of course, has no reflection of anything to do with the understanding of simple programming LANGUAGES, of course.
20:42 < shtrb|laptop> And I thought that IQ was a test that was designed to identify imbeceles and had no correlation to actual biolegical, skills or knowledge but was rather was testing your ability to fulfill a standard test in time
20:42 < shtrb|laptop> something a monkey or a script could do with enough training
20:42 < Irritiable|LT> The common rhetoric response is that of a monkey (more commonly: A bird). /Someone/ chose mathematics instead of linguistics (as it's their weak spot, possibly).
20:42 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: IQ is an assessment of aptitude, not knowledge or skills.
20:43 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Wrong again, as usual. An IQ test is based around a lot of metrics. Skill and knowledge included (as they affect memory recollection). Lol!
20:43 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, rereead what I have written
20:43 < Irritiable|LT> In fact: There is no officially recognizable IQ test. Nobody can agree on it. Just another point for the ignorance basket.
20:44 < SporkWitch> i brought up discrete mathematics because you so utterly failed at basic logic.  Hell, there even WAS an example in one of my comments you COULD have used logic to infer something from, but instead you took something you couldn't
20:44 < Irritiable|LT> Psychology has only been being seriously researched for ~50yrs at this point (and is very shotty at that). It's been highly illegal (as most medical anything) up until around 1900.
20:44 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I'm not the one failing. You're just peeking over the hill at being able to see yourself. This is also known as: 'Projection.'
20:44 < SporkWitch> there are quite a few accepted standards for IQ testing lol
20:44 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, Just to be clear, I say discrete math and other pure classes are the hardest to get by
20:44 < Irritiable|LT> Notice the appended "lols" and when they appeared in my conversation. Lol
20:45 < shtrb|laptop> Irritiable|LT, people tend to overestimate themselvs
20:45 < Irritiable|LT> Your math skills and general ignorance are painful to observe. I apologize for having wrongfully assumed you knew more than you do (both in general and in specific given subjects).
20:45 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: I under estimate myself; I over estimate others.
20:45 < Irritiable|LT> He's thinking about it now.
20:45 < Irritiable|LT> Time to grab some milk.
20:45 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: with a poor professor discrete can be pretty bad; with a good one it's not bad at all.  I've had both.  First prof didn't actually teach anything, just bitched about interdepartmental politics.  Had to retake it.  perfect marks with the second prof, because he actually taught it.
20:45 < shtrb|laptop> let us put it aside , there is no need to messure who has the bigger XXX
20:46 < shtrb|laptop> lol
20:46 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: he's a skiddie, all he CAN do is make things up, flail about, and try to measure his dick lol
20:49 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: as to rereading what you wrote, i did read it, i was agreeing to an extent, and clarifying. Purpose of an IQ test is to assess mental aptitude.  Doesn't mean you know anything or can do anything without training, but it is a reasonable measure of your ability TO learn.
20:50 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, we are not arguing you just used a nicer word to describe what I have written
20:50 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: there's also not much implied by number of languages spoken; while someone with higher IQ might have an easier time learning them later, simply starting at an early age is enough to teach multiple languages to even an idiot; one of the fun things about how our brains work :)
20:50 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: i didn't think we were, i was just clarifying.
20:54 < shtrb|laptop> Fun factoid if a child had heard a language up to his 3'rd year and then stopped it will be extreamly easy for him to relearn that language in adult life
20:55 < SporkWitch> dunno about the age cutoffs, but yeah; has to do with how the brain processes phonemes
20:55 < shtrb|laptop> I think it was on TED some time ago (about languages we learn or hear until we start to use language )
20:56 < SporkWitch> eh, i'm wary of TED these days.  Some of the batshit SJW insanity from TEDx has been creeping into the main stuff lately
20:56 < shtrb|laptop> podcats my friend podcasts
20:57 < SporkWitch> point stands; we've got nutters trying to say BIOLOGICAL SEX is a social construct
20:57 < SporkWitch> and not random lunatics either, but professors at prestigeous (sp?) universities
20:58 < shtrb|laptop> let us avoid measuring genitalia :)
20:59 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: lol, saw one cringy one earlier today, it's a book about reproduction, written for children, that omits ANY mention of male/female.  just "some people have eggs" and "some people have sperm" and "some people have a uterus"; they completely sidestep any mention of the existence of biological sex
20:59 < shtrb|laptop> But SEX and gender are distinct terms, and there is a list of nice ideas how to use them correctly in the common language
20:59 < SporkWitch> yup, i chose my words carefully; these nutters are saying SEX doesn't exist lol
20:59 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, how would they describe mixed cases ?
21:00 < shtrb|laptop> The some and some is a good way for baysen logic
21:00 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: depends on which nutter; some have argued that it's an example of a NEW sex
21:01 < shtrb|laptop> That is a very non fluid statement
21:02 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: in reality, a true hermaphrodite in humans is EXCEEDINGLY rare (in fact, I'm not aware of any instance of a human with both sets of reproductive organs being functional), but even then you don't have a new sex, because sex is defined in terms of reproduction: you need a male and a female.  A perfect hermaphrodite would be BOTH but not a new THIRD.
21:02 < shtrb|laptop> *Bayesian logic
21:05 < shtrb|laptop> I think the talk was referencing https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/life-bilingual/201207/can-first-language-be-totally-forgotten
21:05 < SporkWitch> i'm not sure that applies here; you have males, you have females, and you have defects that result in some combination of those two (usually with only one set or no set of reproductive organs being functional).  In no case (to date) has it occurred that we have a new third sex that somehow plays a role in reproduction (and such a reproductive process would be very unlikely to evolve due to its
21:05 < SporkWitch> complexity and probably no competitive advantage)
21:05 < shtrb|laptop> a Bayesian logic (or case ) will be not 100% true or not true, that is like how much we know something or how much we sure something is correct
21:06 < shtrb|laptop> so it is applicable here (male , female or something in between )
21:07 < shtrb|laptop> *If your assertion that no true dual system exist in nature (not saying it is , or it is not )
21:07 < SporkWitch> i would argue we can be as close to 100% certain on this point as we can anything.  The something in between is still male and/or female, not a new third thing.  It is merely an amalgamation of male and female sexual characteristics.
21:07 < shtrb|laptop> That will be a Bayesian case (to my understaing)
21:08 < SporkWitch> a third sex would require something like that one species in Star Trek Enterprise, where there actually IS a third sex that carries the fertilized embry (e.g. male with sperm, female with egg, and a THIRD to actually gestate it)
21:08 < shtrb|laptop> We are not arguing ...
21:10 < SporkWitch> i'm still not sure it's applicable here, but i've also not worked with bayesian logic before and so am trying to get an idea of what it refers to and is used in from the wiki article, heh
21:12 < SporkWitch> at least going from the cookie example, it wouldn't apply here, as the sex of a baby is not dependent on the previous pregnancy (so far as we know): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference#Examples
21:14 < SporkWitch> if i'm understanding correctly, bayesian logic is specifically designed for changing situations and reassessing probability based on those changes.  Assuming no extreme interference (radiation exposure, lead, etc.; stuff known to increase the chances of a birth defect), I believe the likelihood of getting a male, a female, or a defect, is relatively stable.
21:20 < shtrb|laptop> What I was trying to say, and perhaps incorrectly that we could look at this in the next way , I belive this person is ~70% male based on the data I have found
21:20 <+catphish> can one be 70% male?
21:20 < shtrb|laptop> that is the idea of fluid gender
21:21 < Obsdark> hello, i'm having troubles to connect from my host machine to a guess machine because of the rules of the iptables, can you please tell me how can i fix them? https://imgur.com/a/EZYbF
21:21 <+catphish> i'm not sure that it is
21:21 < SporkWitch> ah; definitely not.  male reproductive organs?  Male.  Female reproductive organs?  Female.  Combination?  Defect, though one can reasonable use which set is functional as the determining factor.  Perfect hermaphrodite?  Both, but still not a NEW sex.
21:21 < Obsdark> i'm certain that's the problem because, well, before change them i can make the connection, can any of you help me?
21:21 < shtrb|laptop> https://youarenotsosmart.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/122-tribal-psychology-v4.mp3 That is the idea of what I was talking about (in regards of fake news but I belive it is close to what we have here )
21:22 < SporkWitch> Obsdark: how are you trying to connect?
21:22 < Obsdark> through putty SporkWitch, SSD specifically
21:22 <+catphish> one can think, act and behave in any way that one wants, but i don't think it's valid to assign a numerical value to gender, and certainly not to biological sex
21:23 < Obsdark> through putty SporkWitch, SSH specifically
21:23 < shtrb|laptop> catphish, I was just trying to express what I understand from that term
21:23 < SporkWitch> that's about the only thing these SJWs get right: gender is a spectrum, because it's an assessment of typically masculine and typically feminine traits; there's a biological basis, but everyone does land somewhere on a spectrum.  No such confusion with biological sex.
21:24 < SporkWitch> Obsdark: the rules look good; usually want an allow established rule at the top of the input chain, but otherwise it's fine.
21:25 < Obsdark> could that fix my problem?
21:25 < shtrb|laptop> Obsdark, I think you will also need to flush previous rules and use save/reload
21:25 < Obsdark> i save them and restart the server shtrb|laptop
21:26 < SporkWitch> flushing just clears the rules, leaving only default policy (in this case DROP for both input and output).
21:26 < SporkWitch> what's the output of iptables -L ?
21:26 < Obsdark> for being honest, with the default iptables i could establish connections
21:27 < Obsdark> this is the output SporkWitch https://imgur.com/a/jgyOC
21:28 < SporkWitch> those rules should work fine; are you connecting over ipv6?
21:29 < Obsdark> not to my knowledge
21:29 < SporkWitch> here's mine: https://hastebin.com/yawiwohuno.hs
21:30 < Obsdark> did this help SporkWitch? https://imgur.com/a/ZPPkQ
21:31 < SporkWitch> should be using ip addr, net-tools is deprecated :P but yes, some; doesn't look like any ipv6 being used.
21:33 <+catphish> i think ifconfig shows all ipv6 addresses, but definitely use "ip addr" instead for certainty
21:33 < SporkWitch> catphish: if he had more assigned it should, yeah
21:33 <+catphish> it doesn't support multiple ipv4 addresses so i never trust it
21:34 < detha> Obsdark: you are still only allowing the initial connection packet, and not the return traffic. Either output should use spt instead of dpt, or both chains should have established/related
21:34 < shtrb|laptop> can you add lo treatment there and add source/dest ips
21:34 <+catphish> similarly, please use iptables -S not iptables -L
21:34 <+catphish> -L output sucks
21:35 < Obsdark> detha that sounds promesing?, can you show me an example of how to do it?
21:35 < Obsdark> shtrb|laptop i can't put specific ip's there, i'm sorry, i ask about it :S
21:35 < SporkWitch> he used both, but i saw the service restart after, i wanted to make sure the rules were actually still there and wasn't familiar with -S off the top of my head lol
21:36 <+catphish> Obsdark: what was your question, i'm late to the party
21:37 < Obsdark> trying to connect to a computer using putty SSH, it used to work until i change the iptables, the target machine is a Guess machine and i'm trying to connect from the host machine catphish
21:37 <+catphish> Obsdark: can you paste your "iptables-save"
21:38 < tuskkk___> hello
21:38 < SporkWitch> his first link is -S output
21:38 < SporkWitch> catphish: ^
21:38 < tuskkk___> any idea for ```curl: (7) Failed to connect to 2001:67c:4e8:fa60:3:0:811:139: Network is unreachable```
21:38 < SporkWitch> tuskkk___: you have no route to it
21:38 < shtrb|laptop> tuskkk___, no ipv6
21:38 < Obsdark> https://imgur.com/a/5HOp1
21:38 <+catphish> Obsdark: i can see the problem immediately from your old iptables -L post actually
21:38 < tuskkk___> oh
21:38 <+catphish> you have no rule to allow return traffic
21:38 < tuskkk___> how do I enable it?
21:38 <+catphish> no ESTABLISHED rule
21:38 < shtrb|laptop> catphish, which is ?
21:39 < tuskkk___> as in IPTABLE rule?
21:39 < SporkWitch> catphish: spotted that too, but he has 22 allowed outbound...
21:39 < Obsdark> Great, catphish, how can i add one of those :D
21:39 <+catphish> SporkWitch: destination 22 outbound, not source
21:39 < SporkWitch> Obsdark: there's an allow established rule in the one i gave you
21:39 < SporkWitch> catphish: DERP
21:39 < SporkWitch> catphish: good catch
21:40 < detha> nobody ever listens to me......
21:40 <+catphish> iptables -I INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:40 <+catphish> iptables -I OUTPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
21:40 < SporkWitch> detha: in my defense, i missed your comment because my client decided to give your text the same colour as mine lol
21:40 < Obsdark> thanks catphish, i do detha, but then you remain silent
21:40 < tuskkk___> basically what I did was, `curl https://my.telegram.org/auth`
21:41 <+catphish> that will add rules to allow replies to requests that were already allowed
21:41 < SporkWitch> Obsdark: also good policy to put that rule at the top of each chain; no need to do any further evaluation if it's an established connection (can add up on a busy server, doesn't matter much if it's just you)
21:42 <+catphish> indeed, notice my command does that :)
21:42 < Obsdark> OOOOH YEAH!!!!
21:42 < SporkWitch> yup, but also good to point it out and why :)
21:42 < Obsdark> Guys, you ALL ROCK!!!
21:42 < SporkWitch> are you assuming our genders? :P
21:42 < shtrb|laptop> lol
21:43 < SporkWitch> (had to lol)
21:43 < Obsdark> thanks a lot to all of you, Specialy to SporkWitch, catphish, shtrb|laptop, and detha
21:43 < SporkWitch> all thanks accepted in beer and pizza form
21:43 < Obsdark> that fix it, thanks a lot guys
21:43 < Obsdark> xD
21:43 < Obsdark> i'll probably send you one if i could
21:43 < Obsdark> thanks a lot again
21:43 < shtrb|laptop>  /msg nick pizza
21:44 < nsnc> Water has no taste.
21:44 < shtrb|laptop> Obsdark, ^
21:44 < SporkWitch> catphish: i need this https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/kqnt/
21:45 <+catphish> SporkWitch: looks too warm
21:45 < SporkWitch> upstate new york lol
21:46 < SporkWitch> would be perfect when i don't feel like getting dressed but it's still chilly :P lol
21:46 <+catphish> i have a robe, i spend much of my life in it
21:46 < SporkWitch> i used to have a robe, but it went missing a few moves ago :(
21:46 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Was it accompanied by a hat?
21:47 < Irritiable|LT> ... And a wand. XD
21:47 <+catphish> don't assume SporkWitch's gender, it really pisses him off
21:47 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: He's a male.
21:47 < SporkWitch> don't mind the skiddie, catphish
21:47 <+catphish> i choose to assume SporkWitch is a cat
21:47 < SporkWitch> mew
21:47 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: How did I see that coming? :p
21:48 < Irritiable|LT> Vi pratar pa Svenska?
21:48 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: you didn't, you're too stupid
21:48 < xingu> it is not the spork which bends, it is only yourself
21:48 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Excuse me?
21:49 <+catphish> deaf too? :)
21:49 <+catphish> i should probably start being nice
21:49 < Irritiable|LT> Hard at hearing, actually. Are you stalking me?
21:49 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Please, continue. I just want you to be yourself.
21:49 < SporkWitch> catphish: i wouldn't bother
21:50 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: i can assure you nobody wants that
21:50 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch pretends to be intelligent and a former military member. The latter, of which, is quite offensive.
21:50 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: I do. Your reassurances are faulty.
21:50 < SporkWitch> oh lovely, his delusions have expanded to my faking my service lol
21:50 <+catphish> well then fuck you and fuck your fucking horse that you rode in on
21:51 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Bumpy.
21:51 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Unless your alias pertains to "Nevada": No.
21:51 < electromagnetism> ha ha finally a real conversation on irc D
21:51 <+catphish> faking military service, that sounds so american
21:51 < xingu> catphish: I suggest linseed oil lubricant for that particular activity
21:51 < Irritiable|LT> Theres nothing remotely real until I see proof. In the very unlikely event you are a former servicemember: You are a huge disgrace to our country and should be spat on.
21:51 <+catphish> we treat veterans like crap here, nobody fakes it :)
21:52 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: It's also quite illegal and will land you in jail.
21:52 < SporkWitch> catphish: it also shows very low effort; it's not like my information is hidden lol
21:52 < Irritiable|LT> Impersonating any member of the military is illegal.
21:52 < Irritiable|LT> I'd produce my pink card: But it burned down with my home.
21:52 < SporkWitch> unfortunately, most attempts at laws to punish impersonating a veteran have been struck down :(
21:53 <+catphish> also, what a pointless law
21:53 < Irritiable|LT> For you: They may make an exception.
21:53 < shtrb|laptop> catphish, that would be animal cruelty
21:53 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Far from pointless.
21:53 < electromagnetism> I think only if it's for monetary profit...
21:53 < Irritiable|LT> electromagnetism: No. In general.
21:53 < Irritiable|LT> It's disrespectful.
21:53 < SporkWitch> catphish: naw, it's definitely something i'd consider a reasonable exception to the first amendment; you fake it, you should absolutely be punished.  Want to be a veteran?  Sign up and get shot at for a few years.
21:54 <+catphish> electromagnetism: that would be fraud, having a separate law for it in general society is just silly
21:54 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: Not every veteran is shot at, stupid.
21:54 < Irritiable|LT> US Navy branch in particular.
21:54  * SporkWitch sighs
21:54 < Irritiable|LT> The only one that the constitution requires that /we/ maintain. The Army is for pussies.
21:54 <+catphish> SporkWitch: i realise veterans are elevated in some countries, but personally i think it's stupid
21:54 < Irritiable|LT> US Navy Marines are not.
21:54 < Irritiable|LT> In you so much as refute that they answer to the US Navy: I will ignore you forever.
21:54 < shtrb|laptop> Why would someone wish to fake being a service man ?
21:55 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: Prestiege.
21:55 <+catphish> shtrb|laptop: they're considered superior in some countries i believe
21:55 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: prestige, benefits, deferential treatment
21:55 < Irritiable|LT> The US has always created a 'thou shalt honor thy military' type mentality; however: That is not why I am so touchy about the subject. Especially shitheads impersonating servicemembers.
21:55  * shtrb|laptop identifies as a sexy callcenter operator 
21:56 <+catphish> i used to be in the army, i fought in WW1 and WW2, and also in 9/11
21:56 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: great when flying through major airports, the Delta lounge will usually let you in if you have your id or orders (depending on who's working the counter)
21:56 < shtrb|laptop> because if we can fake something , at least it would be benifical to you
21:56 <+catphish> not a crime here, mwahahaahahaha
21:56 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Yeah...
21:56 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: What country?
21:56 <+catphish> UK
21:56 < Irritiable|LT> :|
21:56 < Irritiable|LT> Fucking Brit!
21:56 <+catphish> afaik nobody cares here if you used to be in the army
21:56 < shtrb|laptop> SporkWitch, If you fly with Delta (or was it United) you should be a serviceperson
21:56 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Do you drink tea?
21:56 <+catphish> i'm drinking tea right now
21:56 < xingu> SporkWitch: UAL before the merger had a pretty good relationship too; at least down tx way.
21:57 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Do you get the reference? :)
21:57 < Irritiable|LT> I hope you have a party!
21:57 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: most of the major ones treat vets pretty well, especially if you're in uniform at the time.
21:57 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: You should allow SporkWitch to join your party.
21:57 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: i assumed the reference was just the stereotype that all british people drink tea
21:57  * shtrb|laptop sends a not trully boiled cup to catfish and leave the tea bad for indefinite time in his cup 
21:57 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Nope. The British tea party.
21:57 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: that's just cruel
21:57 <+catphish> i have no idea what that is
21:58 < xingu> SporkWitch: many's the time I gladly got bumped out of the wing exit row for someone toting a serious gaming notebook - and a suspiciously long and heavy duffle.
21:58 <+catphish> i'm actually really quite indifferent to how my tea is brewed, i'm not that civilized
21:58 < Irritiable|LT> catphish: Are you truly from the UK?
21:58 < xingu> catphish: I prefer mine brewed in boston harbour ;)
21:58 <+catphish> i am
21:58 < SporkWitch> xingu: never bumped someone out of a seat, but i have gotten to board early a few times lol
21:58 < Irritiable|LT> Are your women honestly jerks at a young age?
21:59 < Irritiable|LT> Or was that just a rare occasion when the one wanted to talk to my sister exclusively on the webcam?
21:59 <+catphish> everyone here is a jerk at a young age
21:59 < Irritiable|LT> Sounds reasonable.
21:59 < shtrb|laptop> s/young age//g
21:59 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: I tell you what. Now that I'm a little more calm about your allegations, aside from your horrendeous behavior: Show me a DD-214 and I'll apologize.
22:00 < SporkWitch> yeah, it's my behaviour that's the problem here lol
22:00 < shtrb|laptop> why would a sane IRC user put his private info on irc ?
22:00 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: skiddies gonna be skiddies
22:00 < Irritiable|LT> shtrb|laptop: It's a DD-214 and Freenode logs everything.
22:00 < SporkWitch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0doSWS0Fj24
22:00 < Irritiable|LT> At worst: He's afraid of being jailed federally for impersonating a service member.
22:01 < SporkWitch> lol
22:01 <+catphish> lmao
22:01 < shtrb|laptop> Or getting swatted while IRC
22:01 < xingu> SporkWitch: aus / ewr and aus / iah on ual metal... halcyon days.
22:01 < Irritiable|LT> Whch is most likely the fact. No veteran in 20+ years of being on the internet is shy about showing their DD-214. My girlfriend's father showed me his. My sister's ex-boyfriend showed me his.
22:01 <+catphish> Irritiable|LT: you can stop now
22:01 < Irritiable|LT> "swatted?"
22:01 < SporkWitch> lol, no veteran with two braincells to rub together is going to post his or her DD-214 publicly you fucking retard
22:01 < Irritiable|LT> He may share many attributes of a gnat: But I've no intention of swatting him.
22:02 < Irritiable|LT> SporkWitch: You're such a fraud.
22:02 < shtrb|laptop> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting
22:02 < SporkWitch> if that's what you need to tell yourself to sleep at night, by all means, but i have nothing to prove to some braindead skiddie lol
22:02 <+catphish> enough.
22:02 < Irritiable|LT> [12:18:26] <SporkWitch> Irritiable|LT: don't get me started on that; the civilian model Beretta 92FS is actually superior to the military M9 for the simple fact that they use a metal spring guide instead of a composite; the composite warps over time and causes jams
22:02 < Irritiable|LT> [12:19:32] <SporkWitch> (seriously, don't get in a fight with military or ex-military about firearms lol)
22:03 < Irritiable|LT> 1911 > M9
22:03 < Irritiable|LT> You don't even know jack shit about firearms, for being an alleged ex-US Army vet.
22:03 < Irritiable|LT> You've served 0 tours.
22:03 < Irritiable|LT> At best case: You entered and either failed the ASVAB (most likely) or failed basic training.
22:03 < shtrb|laptop> please stop it
22:04 < SporkWitch> 97 AFQT, actually :)
22:04 < Irritiable|LT> What's the difference between basic training and boot camp, SporkWitch?
22:04 < shtrb|laptop> branch ? naming schema ?
22:04 <@catphish> what?
22:04 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: slang vs proper name, mostly.
22:05 < xingu> it's either phylum or kingdom, I always get those ones confused
22:05 < SporkWitch> xingu: clad system now, i don't even know what all changed lol
22:05 < shtrb|laptop> Don't the USMC use bootcamp term ?
22:05 < electromagnetism> no
22:06 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: might call it that, but it's not the proper name AFAIK; couldn't say for sure, wasn't a marine
22:06 < SporkWitch> USAF we call it BMT (Basic Military Training)
22:06 <@catphish> i need a new project
22:06 < shtrb|laptop> IRC where evryone can speak 10 languages and are veterans
22:07 < SporkWitch> shtrb|laptop: i actually am, which a simple google would likely turn up; like i said earlier: really low effort trolling going on these days
22:07 < SporkWitch> i'd only say 1 1/2 languages though; my german is REALLY rusty
22:07 < shtrb|laptop> forget it, tried to be funny and failed
22:07  * xingu gives catphish a crash course in eigrp, hands him a spool of glass and a 4500x, and points him in the direction of the nearest sand dune
22:09 < shtrb|laptop> At least no need for a still suite
22:14 < dirac1> What's the difference between iptables and ebtables?
22:18 < SporkWitch> dirac1: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=difference+between+iptables+and+ebtables
22:23 <@catphish> dirac1: ebtables is specific to ethernet (layer2), iptables does a lot more, mostly at l3/l4
22:24 < dirac1> catphish, but I have a doubt on all this. What if I have a bridge interface, and I use Iptables with an interface inside that bridge?
22:25 <@catphish> dirac1: don't do that
22:25 < dirac1> So.. If i want to do it in a right way I have to use ebtables for a bridge ?
22:26 <@catphish> dirac1: it really depends what you're trying to achieve, iptables and ebtables are for totally diffrent things
22:26 < Demos[m]> Anyone used kea?
22:26 < tds> iirc there is a sysctl for having iptables filter traffic going between bridged interfaces
22:27 <@catphish> it's uncommon to firewall a bridge at all, you can, but you generally won't want to try to match interfaces
22:27 < dirac1> Why? they create rules one for bridge and the other for interfaces, they have the same goal but for different devices (in this one is a virtual device and the other is real)
22:27 <@catphish> yeah, you can do iptables on bridged traffic, but i wouldn't try to do interface matching
22:27 < Demos[m]> Admiring a l2 firewall sucks
22:27 < tds> ^ if you have any choice about it, firewall properly at layer 3
22:28 < Demos[m]> *admining
22:28 <@catphish> dirac1: what are you trying to achieve?
22:28 < Demos[m]> Yeah we firewall on l2 for v4 because of address exhaustion at our university and it sucks
22:28 <@catphish> if you explain what you want, we can probably tell you the best way to do it
22:28 < dirac1> I'm creating a simple router using debian, and I have a firewall module.
22:29 <@catphish> dirac1: so why are you bridging?
22:29 < dirac1> Already create a module where i can handle, vlans,interfaces and bridges.
22:29 <@catphish> ok, this already doesn't sound simple, you're trying to make something generic?
22:30 < electromagnetism> why not just use openwrt isn't there an x86 version or pfsence
22:30 < dirac1> Yes, but know that I see in a different perspective. I could simply avoid generating rules for bridge/vlan interfaces to avoid any weird situations on L2 handling.
22:31 <@catphish> dirac1: what are you trying to do? in any case, firewalling on a bridge is unusual, you can do it, but you probably don't want to be doing interface matching
22:31 < tds> if you want something debian-like, there's also vyos
22:31 < dirac1> electromagnetism, because this is part of my thesis (I know those alternatives)
22:31 < dirac1> And i know vyos (similar syntax to Juniper, ew)
22:31 <@catphish> dirac1: you really haven't explained the use case
22:31 < electromagnetism> Ohhhh OK sorry man, good luck
22:32 < dirac1> catphish, SMEs
22:32 < dirac1> Small and Medium Enterprises without intensive requirements.
22:32 < dirac1> Using small SBCs.
22:32 <@catphish> dirac1: ok, more specific, do you specifically want to firewall bridges?
22:33 <@catphish> dirac1: because that's quite a specialist requirement
22:33 < dirac1> I'm not sure of it, I don't think a SME would need to do that.
22:33 <@catphish> i would suggest it isn't necessary
22:34 < dirac1> Then iptables should be enough for my needs.
22:34 <@catphish> yes
22:34 <@catphish> in fact iptables can also firewall bridges, if you really want it to
22:34 < dirac1> How?
22:34 < SporkWitch> sorry i'm late, but: fuck juniper
22:34 < dirac1> SporkWitch, lol
22:34 < tds> my general view is that you should do firewalling at l3, though it's reasonable to filter stuff like RAs at l2 if you want to
22:34 <@catphish> dirac1: the same as routed traffic
22:34 < Holo> nftables !
22:35 < LunaLovegood> Are iptables and nftables (nft) just different frontends for the same backend, or do they do things differently internally?
22:35 < LunaLovegood> And if so, which one is fastest?
22:35 <@catphish> dirac1: if you turn on bridge firewalling, then iptables FORWARD rules will apply to bridged traffic, it's that simple
22:35 < Holo> They do things differently
22:36 < dirac1> catphish, when you say.. "turn on bridge firewalling" do you mean enable sysctl ipv4 forwarding?
22:36 < tds> no, there's another sysctl for it
22:36 <@catphish> dirac1: no
22:36 < dirac1> Or that's a particular kernel mode?
22:36 <@catphish> it's a separate option
22:37 <@catphish>  /proc/sys/net/bridge/bridge-nf-call-iptables
22:37 < tds> net.bridge.bridge-nf-call-iptables
22:37 <@catphish> turn that on, and iptables will apply to bridged traffic
22:37 <@catphish> it's that simple, the same rules will work
22:38 < LunaLovegood> I like nftables and I think '#!/sbin/nft -f' scripts are more readable than a bunch of iptables rules, but is there any speed gain/loss or is it too situational to say?
22:38 < dirac1> o_o oh wow, that was easy.
22:38 <@catphish> though i'd avoid making firewall rules with interface sspecified, not sure if that works
22:38 <@catphish> but most iptables rules will work fine on bridged traffic :)
22:38 <@catphish> dirac1: however, this is unusual, most people don't want to firewall bridges
22:39 <@catphish> a bridge normally just connects together 2 parts of the same LAN, with a common security policy
22:39 < dirac1> I don't think I'll firewall a bridge, because all the rules will be applied to the WAN interface
22:39 <@catphish> LunaLovegood: i use iptables-save scripts, not used nft
22:40 < dirac1> But I wanted a better explanation on ebtables and iptables functioning.
22:40 < dirac1> catphish, and you gave it to me :D.
22:40 <@catphish> dirac1: most routers only firewall on WAN, the LAN interfaces are bridged, and not firewalled
22:41 <@catphish> dirac1: ebtables is very different, it doesn't look at ip addresses, it's for special cases where you want to do things with MAC addresses
22:41 < dirac1> Ok ok, thanks for your help. :D
22:41 <@catphish> you're welcome, good luck
22:41 <+catphish> oops
22:42 < LunaLovegood> dunno if it has aanything to do with 'ebtables', but nftables can have a 'bridge' table that you can use. (It's a kernel option so make sure to compile it in)
22:43 < SporkWitch> isn't doggeh a bot? O.o
22:44 <+catphish> yep, i was mean to him, he never came back
22:44 < SporkWitch> lol
22:44 < SporkWitch> !cat
22:44 < SporkWitch> :'(
22:48 < purplex88> is "average download speed" easy to assume in proofs?
22:49 < LunaLovegood> CONFIG_NFT_BRIDGE_META is great since you don't need to do anything in /proc/sys/ to use it and it's clear what rules apply to routed traffic and which are for bridged, when you use it. I don't know anything about using iptables for bridged traffic, but the nftables alternative works really well.
22:57 < php> Hey!
22:57 < LunaLovegood> hi!
22:58  * tds waves
22:58 < jamesc> hey so, how do i connect to my aws instance via http:
22:58 < php> My IPSec Site-to-Site VPN over a GRE tunnel is breaking and I can't figure out why. I followed this guide: https://wiki.vyos.net/wiki/GRE/IPsec
22:58 < php> Symptoms are immediate disconnect after connecting
22:58 < jamesc> i changed all the security group settings to allow inbound via port 80
22:58 < jamesc> i try to navigate to the domain and it says error connection refused
23:00 < php> Here's my log for the IPSec issue: https://paste.debian.net/1019335/
23:00 < php> I switched my actual home IP for home_ip
23:01 < php> rt-edge-dc-vult-1 is my router in a data centre. rt-edge-ubnt-1 is a router in my home.
23:02 < jvwjgam79> i have a question is it better to have whmcs automate account creation and setup vm's or is it better to do manual account creation for the customer
23:02 < php> jvwjgam79: automatic is always better
23:04 < jvwjgam79> ok cause i cant get whmcs to automate that
23:04 < php> Don't think it's exactly related to networking, mind.
23:04 < php> That's more of a sysadmin thing imo
23:04 < jvwjgam79> ok
23:05 < php> Feel free to PM me specifics and I'll try to help you out
23:05 < php> I've been involved in a few hosting companies
23:06 < jvwjgam79> ok
23:11  * php is confused
23:11 < php> It just keeps connecting and disconnecting
23:11 < php> Bizzare
23:16 < jamesc> how can i connect to my aws instance from the browser?
23:16 < jamesc> i edited EVERY RULE to all http and https
23:17 < jamesc> getting error connection refused
23:17 < php> ...is your web server running?
23:17 < jamesc> yes
23:17 < php> Show me
23:18 < jamesc> https://imgur.com/a/pvdyO
23:19 < jamesc> https://imgur.com/a/pvdyO
23:22 < SporkWitch> that is a horrid interface...  in any case, connection refused implies there's nothing running on that port; SOP on firewalls is to DROP, not DENY
23:22 < php> Is that a thing you can SSH into?
23:22 < jamesc> yes
23:22 < jamesc> i can ssh into it
23:22 < php> iptables blocking it by any chance?
23:22 < php> Also show me the web server is running for "oops" check
23:23 < jamesc> sorry what ?
23:23 < php> iptables -L
23:24 < jamesc> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/QD0sUhI4yGzWB9hyBa5Y/
23:26 < LunaLovegood> Those are empty.
23:26 < jamesc> so how am i able to ssh into it
23:26 < php> And now show me your web server is running
23:26 < LunaLovegood> meaning you don't have any control over them
23:27 < php> service nginx status   OR    service httpd status    OR service apache2 status
23:27 < jamesc> https://imgur.com/a/FhuZs
23:28 < varesa> what about 'netstat -tulpn'
23:28 < jamesc> its listening on 22
23:28 < jamesc> i don't understand why
23:28 < jamesc> its just hat
23:28 < jamesc> that
23:29 < jamesc> anyway how can i open it on 80
23:29 < varesa> please show 'netstat -tulpn'
23:29 < jamesc> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/yJUqDnz6nzXmWWGYmp5t/
23:30 < varesa> so a) your web server isn't running or b) you've not actually configured it to bind to any ports
23:30 < jamesc> but i can ssh into it?
23:31 < varesa> yes? ssh != http
23:31 < varesa> web server as in the service, not the AWS instance
23:31 < jamesc> well i can open a websocket on it
23:31 < jamesc> up to it
23:32 < jamesc> how can i configure it to bind to port 80
23:32 < varesa> what server are you trying to use? nginx? httpd?
23:32 < jamesc> nginx
23:33 < jamesc> no im sorry node
23:33 < varesa> well no idea about that then
23:33 < varesa> nginx would have just needed "server { listen 80; }"
23:35 < allizom> Hi. I want to direct traffic to any http url (such as http://www.bbc.com ) to a webpage hosted on my network (which should be like http://myhost.test ). The latter one is the address which should  be shown in the url bar. I assume this is not possible with DNS alone, is this correct? I would need to set the dns server to answer with the address of a host which is performing a redirect with a web server
23:38 < tds> allizom: yes, you can do that by spoofing dns replies and having that web server redirect (similar to how captive portals work), but anything checking dnssec will break, as will any sites that default to using ssl (eg those with hsts)
23:38 < allizom> of course, I've stated http specifically tds
23:39 < allizom> Assuming I run the http redirect and the actual serving of my pages on the same machine, how should I differentiate requests for e.g. http://www.bbc.com from the ones actually pointed at http://myhost.test ? The latter ones should not be redirected obviously, so I think I should check the Host header
23:45 < wiresharked> So is it needed to adjust the MTU in windows?
23:45 < Demos[m]> Hey is there a way to get Isc dhcpd to read the prefix to use from either isc dhclient or just by doing a DHCP request with IA_PD?
23:45 < Demos[m]> or if radvd can do that
23:49 < hetii> Hi
23:49 < hetii> :)
23:50 < Criggie> PLEASE STATE THE NATURE OF THE NETWORKING EMERGENCY.
23:58 < teprrr> it's not working
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