--- Log opened Sat May 19 00:00:25 2018
00:05 < spaces> catphish is there something we are allowed to break ?
00:18 <+catphish> you're welcome to break your own tibia
00:30 < star> anyone here have experience with a tp-link ac2600 with default (proprietary?) firmware?
00:30 < star> I'm trying to get it to allocate local ipaddress from my main router instead of having it's own DHCP Server
00:30 < star> but when I turn it off and try to connect a device to it, it refuses to hand out any new local ip addresses
00:33 < tds> star: what do you mean by allocating addresses from your main router? if you're disabling the built in dhcp server, you'll want to run another dhcp server on that network/vlan
00:34 < star> tds: I am, which is why I find it odd it won't work
00:34 < tds> ah, so is this a device connecting over wireless/wired, and you have your other dhcp server attached to one of the lan ports?
00:35 < star> the "main" lan port yes
00:35 < star> the one that is dedicated to upstream and downstream
00:35 < star> I guess in a way all ports, but this is port I use to connect the main router to the wifi router
00:36 < star> The wireless router (TP-Link AC2600) has it's DHCP Server disabled
00:36 < tds> looking at that router, I think it has a set of LAN ports which will all be bridged together, and a WAN port - which one is the dhcp server (or switch/whatever with it attached) connected to?
00:36 < tds> if it's connected to WAN, the router will probably do NAT for all the devices behind it, which you don't want
00:38 < star> tds: pretty sure the Main Router is connected to the WAN port
00:39 < tds> star: you probably want to move that to the LAN port then, since all those will be bridged together
00:39 < tds> dhcp is done as a broadcast, so it won't go between layer 2 domains (unless you have a dhcp relay)
00:40 < star> will I lose any benefits from moving it from the WAN port to the LAN port?
00:41 < tds> almost certainly not
00:41 < star> what does a DHCP relay look like?
00:42 < star> that's new terminology for me
00:42 < tds> for a larger network having it isolated into multiple layer 2 networks and then routing between them makes sense, for a smaller home network it doesn't (since you need something doing routing)
00:43 < star> that's a DHCP relay?
00:43 < star> sounds like a lot of work
00:43 < star> I guess I'll stick to using the LAN port
00:44 < tds> quite often you'd have the same device routing also run a dhcp relay, since that lets your dhcp server not have interfaces connected to every layer 2 segment
00:52 < star> tds: does this setup also broadcast things like DNS settings?
00:52 < star> I mean the WAN -> LAN port thing
00:52 < star> I have a network wide ad blocker
00:53 < star> just want to make sure
00:53 < tds> DNS servers are included in the DHCP response normally, so yes
00:59 < star> alright, thanks for answering my questions!
01:00 < giaco> hello
01:06 < giaco> I need some ideas. I have an application that can act as RPC client and server at the same time (it depends on the usage). I cannot assume that it will run with public ip or behind firewall/NAT, but I can put a strong authentication method on it such as public/private key. The connectivity layer needs to be easy to maintain and deploy, what would you suggest? VPN server as spof? SOCKS4/5? Tor hidden service :P ? Else?
01:07 < star> giaco: LDAP?
01:09 < giaco> star: LDAP? Does it provide visibility and NAT traversal?
01:11 < star> giaco: nat traversal should work assuming you are using a sane firewall and implementation of ldap
01:12 < star> not sure what you mean by visibility
01:12 < linux_probe> lol
01:12 < linux_probe> Lousy Derp Asshat Protocol
01:13 < giaco> star: A is visible to B if A can TCP connect to B
01:13 < giaco> ups, other way around :P
01:13 < star> linux_probe: any better ideas?
01:13 < giaco> B is visible to A if  ...
01:13 < star> ldap has been around for years, and it's pretty trusted
01:14 < star> I can't really see anything that would replace it
01:14 < linux_probe> unfortunately no
01:16 < giaco> this makes me a bit sad
01:16 < giaco> no modern alternative to LDAP?
01:18 < giaco> star: thank you for the suggestion
01:33 < star> What's recommended more in here, OpenWrt or LEDE?
01:33 < petemc> lede
01:33 < petemc> was
01:34 < petemc> they kissed and made up
01:47 <+catphish> i never knew lede was merged
01:47 <+catphish> cool
01:54 < tds> it all seems like a bit of a mess at the moment, there are two wikis both under the openwrt domain, and while technically the project is called openwrt, the latest release is still branded lede iirc
01:56 < star> lol
02:07 < birk0ff> reddit is like the 2018 USENET newsgroups
02:12 < uplime> does DHCP traditionally communicate over TCP or UDP? Or is it transported over something completely different?
02:12 <+catphish> uplime: UDP
02:12 < uplime> thanks
02:19 < spaces> catphish my tibia ? wtf is that ?
02:20 < spaces> linux_probe do you have a tibia ?
03:50 < joro_> hi guys, i cannot connect to my router, when i use nmap it is written that port 80 is not even oppened... but then i saw port 23 soo is it possible to connect somehow with telnet ?
04:03 < ahyu84> fuXX ransomware
04:05 < joro_> could someone explain me this https://justpaste.it/6jy7p please
04:09 < petemc> its a uri
04:10 < petemc> commonly used to share pasted text
04:27 < ahyu84> do anyone able provide me Server 2016 DELL ISO?
04:27 < ahyu84> I would like to run RestoreHealth
04:28 < eahm> does this one have it? https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/technology-science/microsoft/67-microsoft-windows-and-office-iso-download-tool
04:28 < eahm> not sure it has OEM editions
04:31 < ljc> hey so i've got 2 machines on my LAN (one linux, one mac), but they both don't have arp entries for each other
04:32 < ljc> on the linux machine i've done "arping -I <interface> <ip of the mac machine>" which resolves but doesn't get put into the arp table? (`ip n` doesn't show it)
04:33 < ljc> i know i can manually add entries but shouldn't they automatically be put in there? or is there something i'm missing
04:34 < petemc> no one manually adds arp entries
04:35 < petemc> describe your "lan"
04:38 < ahyu84> hey @eahm thx for the link, unfortunately no windows server 2016
04:38 < ahyu84> thx
04:42 < ljc> petemc: hm so it's just a home lan. i've got a minirouter which both the linux&mac machines are connected to, and the router is connected to the modem via ethernet
04:43 < ljc> ideally i'd like to be able to "shh <hostname>" and since the arp would know the hostname it'd resolve it to that ip
04:47 < petemc> ljc: arp maps to ip which maps to hostname
04:48 < petemc> arp should be automatic
04:50 < scientes> is there an address I can bind to that will support ipv4 and ipv6?
04:52 < petemc> address? no. interface, yes
05:04 < scientes> upnp doesn't work that way anyways...
05:04 < ljc> petemc: i also thought that arp was automatic. i'm wondering if maybe there's a config option in my minitrouter (which is openwrt)
05:05 < petemc> unlikely
05:07 < ljc> i would've thought that the networking stack would see the arp answer/resolve packets and just add them into it's arp table
05:07 < petemc> thats how it should work, for nodes on same segment
05:12 < tds> scientes: if the sysctl net.ipv6.bindv6only is set to 0 on linux, that will allow ipv4 connections to connect to a v6 socket (they'll use mapped addresses, eg ::ffff:127.0.0.1)
05:19 < scientes> how do i bond two wireless adapters 2.4gz and 5gz
06:16 < alan1> Ubuntu. I can ping a LAN device by IP, but not by hostname. nmblookup {hostname} returns the correct IP. What might be wrong?
06:20 < scientes> what is nmblookup?
06:21 < scientes> you probably need the right libnss module alan1
06:21 < scientes> alan1, install libnss-winbind
06:46 < alan1> scientes: nmblookup returns the IP address of a windows share
06:46 < alan1> scientes: I have libnss-winbind
06:48 < comet23> Will the Network+ certification prep material teach me how the Internet works?
06:48 < E1ephant> maybe
06:48 < comet23> Maybe?
06:48 < comet23> Where would I go to learn how the internet works?
06:49 < E1ephant> I would look into BGP
06:49 < E1ephant> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/157870233X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
06:50 < E1ephant> https://www.amazon.com/Routing-TCP-IP-1-2nd/dp/1587052024/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526705390&sr=1-3&keywords=jeff+doyle
06:50 < E1ephant> https://www.amazon.com/Routing-TCP-IP-Professional-Development/dp/1587054701/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1526705416&sr=1-1&keywords=jeff+doyle
06:50 < E1ephant> three really great books
06:50 < E1ephant> sometimes you can find a deal at a used book store
06:51 < E1ephant> dn42 is also a good way to get hands on lab time with   other people
06:51 < comet23> You can always find great deals on http://libgen.io
07:10 < alan1> Ubuntu. I can ping a LAN device by IP, but not by hostname. nmblookup {hostname} returns the correct IP. What might be wrong?
07:12 < petemc> netbios is not dns
07:14 < petemc> if you add wins to the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf it might work
07:34 < alan1> petemc: I can ping external hosts (google.com) correctly, so DNS is somehow alive. Trying to ping a local hostname returns "Temporary Failure in name resolution". I'm unfamiliar with nsswitch.conf. Just add append "wins"? What does that do?
09:01 < Adventure> hu
09:01 < Adventure> hi
09:30 < shtrb|work> Is there a way for me to know model based on a mac (Ubiquity) ?
09:32 < trae32566[w]> not really
09:32 < shtrb|work> Have witnessed that It can deliver WiFi to alost 100 meter from the building when my Edimax across the room needed an AP
09:32 < shtrb|work> trae32566[w], thanks
09:32 < trae32566[w]> np
09:34 < shtrb|work> If I will get into to the captive portal will I have a chance ?
10:49 < leafwiz_> Hey, I feel this might be a rtfm question but I'm tasked with setting up our configuraiton templating repository, and I'm looking for ways to organize this. Because it needs to be scalable, work with many types of equipment, and at the same time needs to be easy to work with. I have been googeling about, but I was wondering if anyone here have experience or know of any good resouces on the topic
13:33 < lavenders> is it true: smtp uses encoding eg base-64 since special strings 'CRLF.CRLF' are not allwoed? what do they look like encoded then? why not escape them
13:37 < detha> lavenders: e.g. rfc2822 paragraph 2.3
13:55 < tpanarch1st> anybody watching the Royal Wedding?
13:55 < tpanarch1st> I am here in the UK
13:55 < turtle> my wife is, like a dork
13:55 < tpanarch1st> hehe
13:55 < tpanarch1st> where is she?
13:55 < tpanarch1st> I'm in England
13:55 < turtle> We're in the US
13:55 < tpanarch1st> awesome!!
13:55 < tpanarch1st> awww Megan is beautiful
13:55 < tpanarch1st> so humble
13:56 < tpanarch1st> I loved her dearly in Suits!
14:44 < Aleksandar86> anybody here working with d-link hardwares (smart switches)?
15:11 < TandyUK2> I have a couple, and wish I didnt
15:13 < Aleksandar86> why?
15:18 < Aleksandar86> Which brand of Switch is good like a Cisco?
15:19 < Apachez> Aleksandar86: dlink and similar have some quality issues
15:19 < Apachez> both with hardware and software
15:19 < Apachez> if you want something solid then use hpe, allied telesis or ubiquiti
15:20 < Aleksandar86> I have D-link Dgs-3630
15:25 < thelazer> Someone a wizz on setting up wierd 802.1x with to an AD with MAB and EAP?
15:25 < thelazer> Pretty pretty please?
15:25 < thelazer> Cisco switches are denying the client MAC.
16:06 < longxia> lavenders: The single dot on a line is escaped by yet another dot by the sending MTA, so that is not the reason for base54. Also base64 is part of MIME and plays no part in non MIME mail. The base64 is used because an SMTP can only be trusted to be 7-bit safe unless certain extensions are advertised by an MTA. See rfc2821, par. 4.5.2.
16:06 < longxia> base54=base64*
17:02 < redrabbit> '05:07 < petemc> thats how it should work, for nodes on same segment
17:02 < redrabbit> oops
17:35 < jason85> What happens if a TCP reset packet gets lost?
17:38 < aditya7400> jason85: connection hangs i guess?
18:09 < thelazer> If TCP reset is lost RST is issued
18:10 < thelazer> Wanting to pentest a FW or what?
18:39 <+catphish> jason85: nothing at all :)
19:09 < nikivi> Can someone help solve this. I get an error every time i try to git clone something
19:09 < nikivi> SSL: can't load CA certificate file /bin/curl-ca-bundle.crt
19:09 < nikivi> I am on macOS. And I searched everywhere online
19:10 < nikivi> I for some dumb reason probably deleted the certificates but I am not sure how I can restore it
19:10 < nikivi> If I even can
19:10 < Peng_> I hope /bin/ isn't the normal directory to put a curl certificate bundle in.
19:10 < Peng_> Maybe it's somewhere else and Git's config is using the wrong path?
19:12 < nikivi> perhaps but where else can it be
19:12 < nikivi> the bigger issue is that I don't have /etc/ssl dir
19:12 < nikivi> Is there a way to bring it back?
19:28 < Looan> https://tinyurl.com/ya79dnx5
19:32 < SporkWitch> nikivi: might need to ask #apple (or w/e channel name they use here for macos; ask alis), but i don't have a file by that name anywhere on my linux system, which makes me think someone messed up a config file
19:33 < nikivi> Already asked there
19:33 < nikivi> they don't know..
19:34 < SporkWitch> where does macos NORMALLY store those certs?
19:34 < uplime> the keychain
19:35 < SporkWitch> k; check your configs and see if removing where it's specifying that missing file fixes it; i would expect it to have some kind of default if you don't override it
19:35 < uplime> nikivi: how did you install git?
19:36 < nikivi> uplime I installed it with Nix
19:36 < nikivi> https://nixos.org/nixos/packages.html#git
19:36 < SporkWitch> ...
19:36 < SporkWitch> so an experimental, barely supported linux distro, installed on macos, and something doesn't work... colour me surprised
19:37 < nikivi> its a package manager actually
19:37 < nikivi> but I did ask people on #nix-darwin too, still waiting reply
19:37 < SporkWitch> the package manager is PART of it, regardless, not a networking problem.
19:37 < SporkWitch> install through supported channels instead of experimental buggy stuff
20:11 < FlorianBd> I there!  Could someone explain me how things are supposed to work if I want a domain to resolve to 2 different IP addresses for redundancy and load balancing?  So I have 2 web servers (not a router) and if one goes down, people will just go visit the other.
20:12 < FlorianBd> I'm mostly talking about the DNS
20:15 <+catphish> FlorianBd: DNS can't do that i'm afraid
20:15 < drozdziak1> Hi, is it possible for a correctly implemented HTTP server to give a client the response tied to a different request than the client had expected? I.e. Is there circumstances where I might want custom sequence numbers in my API on top of HTTP?
20:15 <+catphish> FlorianBd: for loadbalancing you can just create 2 A records with the same name, and they will be balanced, but it won't provide failover
20:15 < FlorianBd> catphish: but if I ping google twice I get 2 different IP addresses
20:16 < FlorianBd> hmmm
20:16 <+catphish> FlorianBd: yes, it can do loadbalancing, but not failover
20:16 < grawity> FlorianBd: you can return multiple addresses, but you can't really withdraw them if one server goes down
20:16 < grawity> well you could but it'd take as long as your DNS TTL is
20:16 <+catphish> drozdziak1: no, http will always respond to the request issued
20:16 < drozdziak1> catphish: Thanks!
20:17 < grawity> (I've even seen IRC services which do dynamic DNS like that)
20:17 <+catphish> FlorianBd: unfortunately there's no client failover in most protocols, so you need an IP that is always up
20:17 < FlorianBd> thanks guys for the replies. So in other words I could have a 2 minutes TTL, and a third party server that checks that the server works and then modifies the DNS (e.g. with a GoDaddy API or something)  ?
20:18 <+catphish> FlorianBd: yes, you can do that
20:18 < FlorianBd> catphish: I see, unlike SMTP e.g. where most servers will just try the second priotity server, correct?
20:18 < FlorianBd> cool :)
20:19 <+catphish> FlorianBd: yes, with SMTP clients handle the failover, but this concept doesn't exist in most other protocols
20:20 < FlorianBd> catphish: what TTL would be considered insanely too short?  Resolution time is the down side correct?
20:20 <+catphish> FlorianBd: it's really up to you
20:20 < FlorianBd> yeah but if I make it 10s anyone would agree that this is stupid, no?
20:20 <+catphish> by setting it short, you risk people having to wait longer to resolve it, but you also risk some DNS servers caching for longer than your TTL
20:21 <+catphish> FlorianBd: yes, that is a pretty bad idea, though i can't really explain why
20:21 < FlorianBd> I see
20:21 <+catphish> other than the reasons above
20:21 < FlorianBd> ok so 3min seems reasonnable I guess
20:22 <+catphish> wow, what a time to be alive: https://i.imgur.com/4K437Ne.png
20:22 <+catphish> FlorianBd: 5 minutes is generally considered a sane minimum, but you don't have to follow that :)
20:22 < FlorianBd> ok cool, thanks catphish :)
20:24 < FlorianBd> catphish: that picture reminds me of an Eleonor Roosevelt quote: Great minds discuss ideas, Average minds discuss events, Small minds discuss people :)
20:24 < Apachez> catphish: nude pics of harry and meghan 11
20:25 <+catphish> lol, i find it such a colossal waste of attentiom
20:25 <+catphish> but then, i've never been into people / celebrity
20:27 < Apachez> yeah and waste of time and money
20:27 < Apachez> shorten that shit down
20:27 < Apachez> 30 min tops with music
20:27 < Apachez> and then the priest can just "ok now you can hump each other - video will be posted on pornhub within 1 hour"
20:27 < Apachez> and call it a day
20:27 < Apachez> but nooooo
20:28 < tds> with the multiple A record discussion earlier - is it reasonable to expect browsers to try another record if connecting to one fails?
20:28 < tds> I tested it a while ago with success on chromium, but idk about other browsers
20:28 < Apachez> tds: clientbased dns roundrobin is the cheapest form of loadbalancing
20:28 < Apachez> but dont expect anything
20:29 < Apachez> "normally" client tries to connect to first ip in 2 seconds, if no response it might try the next until all ip's have been tested
20:29 < Apachez> but since its the client who picks and choose you can get very odd results loadwise
20:29 < Apachez> but again simple and somewhat effective for its purpose
20:29 < tds> ah, I'm not especially bothered about loadbalancing, more for failover
20:29 < tds> but it seems like a nice lazy solution, so I guess I'll give it a go
20:30 < Apachez> for "enterprise" solution you often combine roundrobin with anycasting with loadbalancing (like F5, A10, nginx or whatever) at each site
20:30 < Apachez> sometimes you also add geoip ontop of this
20:30 < Apachez> so a resolver in EU will get EU based ip's as answer
20:30 < Apachez> and a resolver in lets say US will get US based ip's as answer
20:30 < Apachez> which they try
20:30 < Apachez> but anycasting have removed the need for geoip and its simplier too
20:31 < Apachez> an EU based resolver will automagically end up with a authoritive server in EU
20:31 < Apachez> and if all of those are down anycasting will forward the request to the US based servers (or wherever they might be located)
20:32 < tds> yeah, I may try running multiple anycasted name servers at some point returning different records, it feels like it would be a good project
20:32 < tds> but that's one for another day :)
20:35 < Aleksandar86> Somebody here use Link aggregation between two switches?
20:39 < Apachez> sure
20:39 < Apachez> its quite (spelling?) common
20:39 < Apachez> for redundancy and performance
21:07 < Apachez> RX power (dBm) -8.07, thats bad right?
21:08 < dogbert2> fiber?
21:08 < dogbert2> or wireless...
21:08 < Apachez> fiber
21:09 < Apachez> seems like its fine as long as its above -14.4 dBm
21:09 < dogbert2> doesn't look good to me...
21:09 < Apachez> so meh :)
21:09 < dogbert2> yeah...
21:11 < dogbert2> welp...need to run some errands...l8r
21:12 < dogbert2> I like the Synology DS218+ (2x8TB in a RAID-1)
21:12 < Apachez> wonder how many switches/routers fs.com actually got
21:12 < Apachez> seems like they have at least one of every brand
21:12 < Apachez> seems like they have at least one of every brand and model
21:12 < dogbert2> lol, Apachez
21:38 < spaces> Apachez an LAGG is not that much for performance
22:21 <+catphish> spaces: it certainly can be
22:43 < SirJoker2188> hello everyone!
22:45 < horse> hi all.  if i take an MLAG port chanel member down, should traffic re route instantly?
22:46 < horse> or will there be a broadcast required for any conversation between two end points which now have to talk over a different path?
22:57 <+catphish> horse: if the port is physically down, traffic should be rerouted instantly
22:57 < horse> catphish: thanks
22:57 <+catphish> the sending device will know it's down so it'll choose an alternative port
22:58 < horse> so say that alternative port is connected to a different switch, which hasn't seen the destination mac, will it have to flood the frame as usual?
22:59 <+catphish> horse: yes
22:59 < horse> cool
22:59 < horse> does a flood happen more or less instantly?
23:00 <+catphish> a flood happens as the same speed as any other frame
23:01 < horse> so as far as two end points of a conversation are concerned they arn't really aware that traffic has been rerouted as it all happens quickly?
23:01 <+catphish> correct
23:01 < horse> cool thanks
23:02 < horse> got a few crc errors on an MLAG link so need to take a link down
23:02 < horse> and change the optic
23:02 <+catphish> just pull the fiber, that's the whole point of a LAG :)
23:02 < horse> yup :)
23:04 < horse> i was just a bit confused about the traffic taking a different path to it's destination
23:05 <+catphish> well normally a LAG would actually only have one device at each end (ie LACP)
23:05 <+catphish> so the route doesn't change, it just goes down a different physical cable
23:06 <+catphish> but if you have a non-LACP LAG where each member goes to a different place, that's fine, the frames will just be treated as normal by the receiving switch, it'll flood them, they'll find a new path instantly
23:11 < horse> Cool.  cheers catphish. Hope you're enjoying your weekend
23:11 <+catphish> it's ok
23:11 <+catphish> i went to see the monkeys today
23:11 < horse> senior management?
23:11 < horse> or is that just my place :)
23:12 <+catphish> http://www.monkeyworld.org/ :)
23:13 < horse> cool
23:13 < horse> didnt realise you where in the uk
23:15 <+catphish> i am :)
23:16 < xingu> http://i.imgur.com/ECWo2q8.gifv
23:27 < fuze> for home networking would it make sense to avoid MU-MIMO routers for now since that technology is not backwards compatible?
23:27 < djph> "maybe"
23:27 < djph> I mean, all you're gonna do is "lose out on" the MU- stuff
23:28 < fuze> is the overhead of the MU stuff worth it?
23:29 < scientes> i just got a mu-mimo router and everything is now faster
23:29 < fuze> its a 2 story home with a basement. no devices in the basement so that would just be cell phones
23:29 < scientes> including old 802.11n stuff
23:29 < djph> well, mu-mimo is only going to help with 802.11ac
23:29 < scientes> what i'm having trouble with is shitty 8822bu realtek driver
23:29 < djph> (the faster CPU / extra RAM / etc. would definitely help the 802.11n tho)
23:30 < djph> scrap the realtek :)
23:30 < fuze> scientes: well it could be faster for a number of reasons compared to your old router. i have a 300mbps connection so im looking at a N300 Mbps plus AC867 Mbps router. im wondering if a Gigabit router with MU would be better or in fact worse. see https://www.networkcomputing.com/wireless-infrastructure/mu-mimo-reality-check/1263574300
23:30 < scientes> you know of any atheros 802.11ac usb sticks?
23:30 < djph> USB sticks are all rubbish :|
23:30 < scientes> fuze, i bought this: https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-MAX-STREAM-MU-MIMO-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07BSL6WHC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1526765445&sr=1-1&keywords=ea7400
23:31 < scientes> its kinda physically big, but was faster than the n300 router i got grom Goodwill (thrift store)
23:31 < fuze> scientes: i was actually looking at the EA7500 :D
23:32 < scientes> djph, you don't know of any non-realtek usb sticks?
23:32 < scientes> 802.11ac
23:32 < scientes> fuze, look at the price thought, refusbished stuff have good prices
23:32 < fuze> scientes: i see
23:34 < fuze> https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-AC1900-Wireless-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B01N6GVJ87
23:34 < scientes> thats a bunch more money
23:35 < scientes> i'm thinking about getting a moca adapter https://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Bonded-Ethernet-Adapter-ECB6200K02/dp/B013J7O3X0/
23:37 < fuze> wow and it seems the only difference would be 450 Mbps vs 600 Mbps
23:37 < fuze> thanks for the find
23:39 < djph> scientes: I don't use USB wifi sticks
23:39 < fuze> now would getting something without MIMO actually provide better performance? https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-EA6350-Wireless-Dual-Band-Anywhere/dp/B00JZWQW4C/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1526765936&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=Linksys+EA6350+refurbished
23:39 < djph> no
23:39 < djph> 1x1 is stupid
23:41 < fuze> would this be even faster and future proof? https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-Dual-Band-Tri-Stream-Refurbished-WRT3200ACM-RM2/dp/B079DWWQ1R/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1526766066&sr=1-4&keywords=Linksys+WRT3200ACM
23:42 < fuze> its $100 on ebay but would it provide a lot more speed?
23:42 < djph> depends
23:43 < djph> will your devices be able to make use of the 3x3 streams?
23:43 < fuze> if they cannot would they become slower than with a different router?
23:43 < fuze> also what does 3x3 streams mean in simple terms?
23:44 < djph> means that there are 3 (each) transmit and receive streams
23:45 < scientes> do i need to use special splitters to use moca (ethernet over coaxial, and can co-exist with docsis)
23:46 < djph> 2x2 802.11ac tops out around 800 mbps.  3x3 is, IIRC 1300 (note that you would have to use 80 MHz of spectrum to achieve those speeds, which may not always be practical)
23:46 < djph> I don't think so ...
23:49 < fuze> djph: in reality would it still be faster?
23:49 < fuze> i just want to make sure its not slowe
23:50 < djph> no idea
23:50 < djph> I don't know what you have today
23:51 < fuze> no i mean slower than https://www.amazon.com/Linksys-MAX-STREAM-MU-MIMO-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B07BSL6WHC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1526765445&sr=1-1&keywords=ea7400
23:52 < fuze> also its in a suburban neighborhood relative close together so idk if congestion would be an issue
23:54 < fuze> 80MHz+80MHz would still be possible on the WRT3200ACM right?
23:54 < fuze> or would it be more beneficial to use 160?
23:58 < fuze> does Dual-Band mean i can have 2.4ghz and 5ghz? and would two bands require 80/80mhz?
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