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--- Log opened Tue Apr 03 09:09:23 2018
09:09 < ceofreak> ah ok
09:09 < xe0n> Wannabejrsysadm: setup SSO? users here don't have to enter office creds to get stuff
09:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> concrete example : my name is PAUL, my pw is hunter1
09:09 < ceofreak> ^
09:09 < ceofreak> hunter2
09:09 < ceofreak> always
09:09 < rpifan> Wannabejrsysadm, hello
09:09 < rpifan> i am one of those
09:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> first time i login i login to my pc and skype for business with hunter 1
09:10 < ihre> ceofreak: and just for isolation, you could also just boot $distro and use vms (either qemu or something like lxc), and learn on the go, the latter seems more appropriate to actually understand what is going on :P
09:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> 3 months later i have to change into hunter2
09:10 < xe0n> so you're pissed off that you haven't configured SSO\federation for single sign-on so users aren't prompted to re-authenticate after changing the password
09:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> but to use skype again i have to loginto skype with hunter2 again
09:10 < ihre> ceofreak: ie https://stgraber.org/2014/02/09/lxc-1-0-gui-in-containers/
09:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> ok so SSO is what i should look into :p
09:11 < ceofreak> Ihre: most probably. I anyway want to grind through the linux administration handbook at some point because I'm still shit when it comes to permissions and so on
09:11 < xe0n> Wannabejrsysadm: it's working as designed, you just need to configure SSO
09:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> i know its working as designed :p
09:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> but my manager complains about it
09:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> xe0n any recommondations on how to setup SSO ?
09:15 < xe0n> if you have ADFS configured, you can use that, otherwise you can configure AADC to support Single-sign on
09:26 <+enix> oiiiii
09:26 <+enix> sooo
09:26 <+enix> if i have two columns in a mysql database; id and bid
09:26 <+enix> and I want id to be populated into bid
09:26 <+enix> how does one do that
09:26 < Hunterkll> depends....
09:26 < Hunterkll> this all depends...
09:27 < Hunterkll> on lock/unlock of user session, etc
09:27 < Hunterkll> you'll still run into it occasionally
09:27 <+enix> huh
09:27 < Hunterkll> no matter what you do
09:27 < Hunterkll> not you
09:27 <@Nostalg14c> UPDATE `table_name` SET `new_column` = `existing_column` WHERE `id`=`id`
09:27 < Hunterkll> fuck off enix
09:27 < Hunterkll> :P
09:27 <+enix> Nostalg14c: fucking sick cunt cheers mate
09:27 <@Nostalg14c> ye the googs got ya
09:27 <+enix> sounds like an abo google
09:28 <@Nostalg14c> gettin real fricken tired
09:28 <@Nostalg14c> need to nap
09:28 <+enix> Nostalg14c: masterbate
09:28 <+enix> it'll pick you up
09:28 < ceofreak> doesnt help
09:28 < Hunterkll> lel
09:28 <@Nostalg14c> probably make things worse tbh
09:28 <+enix> ceofreak: not choke jerking but normal jerking
09:28 < Hunterkll> 'harry potter and the sexy hallows'
09:28 < Hunterkll> like uh
09:29 < Hunterkll> is that like jesus porn or something
09:29 < Hunterkll> or pagan orgies in the stone henge?
09:29 <+enix> woot that sql worked
09:30 <+enix> better leave at 535
09:30 <+enix> make it look like i haven't been sitting here for two hours wanting to leave
09:32 < Church-> Heya folks
09:32 <+enix> ffs fucking pdo shit "just use if ($var) to check if it worked"
09:32 <+enix> > 500
09:32 <+enix> fuck up
09:34 <+enix> I haven't coded this error catching properly but I think you're seeing this because the thread doesn't exist. BL.
09:34 <+enix> Thats my error code iv'e written and I stand by it
09:34 <+enix> OHHHH
09:34 <+enix> NO THAT WORKED
09:34 <+enix> ALL GOOD
09:34 <+enix> I CAN GO HAM
09:34 <+enix> (home and masterbate)
09:34 <+enix> bye guys, good hustle.
09:34 < MikeSeth> you know what I think
09:34 < MikeSeth> I think I want to just drop all this shit
09:34 < MikeSeth> and start making jewelry
09:35 < MikeSeth> enix: and you're doing it wrong, enable exceptions on the PDO object
09:36 < mrWhiteMD> we have here some DevOps &
09:36 < mrWhiteMD> ??
09:42 < MikeSeth> mrWhiteMD: how is that a question
09:43 < mrWhiteMD> MikeSeth: question
09:48 < mrWhiteMD> if I am sysadmin and also doing some programing tasks, can i call myself DevOps ?
09:49 < ceofreak> FenJai?
09:54 < Trapdoor> holla
09:54 < Trapdoor> I am back
09:56 < Trapdoor> my dudes
09:56 < Trapdoor> I have returned
10:10 < Trapdoor> holy shit I've only been at work for 20 minutes?
10:11 < ihre> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kosovo-dispute-puts-the-clocks-back-3x6tgvhxw
10:11 < ihre> might have been longer but you'll never know
10:12 < Trapdoor> maybe 25
10:14 < Trapdoor> I don't mind coming to work but this 8 hour wait to go back home is bullshit
10:14 < ihre> you'll end up with a nice attendance fee though
10:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> boys
10:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> Is it possible to use a 2016 server license on 2 machines
10:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> I know its not legal :p
10:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> just asking for a friend  :p
10:36 < mrWhiteMD> Wannabejrsysadm: you can use it leggaly for 2 WM-s
10:36 < Wannabejrsysadm> ah ye
10:36 < Wannabejrsysadm> we have the standard version
10:36 < togen> it is but if its a MAK license, it will eventually run out of allocations and you need to ring MS
10:36 < Wannabejrsysadm> i don't think we have CALLS tho ;o
10:36 < togen> ...
10:36 < togen> if its for screwing around/learning, its fine but in corporate, huge no-no
10:37 < Wannabejrsysadm> hmhm
10:37 < Wannabejrsysadm> maybe we do have calls
10:37 < mrWhiteMD> Wannabejrsysadm: usualy its for 2CPU's/2WM's
10:37 < Wannabejrsysadm> well have 3 hosts
10:37 < mrWhiteMD> VM's
10:37 < Wannabejrsysadm> 6 cpu's
10:38 < Wannabejrsysadm> we bought 2016 server standard
10:38 < Wannabejrsysadm> to use on ONE vm
10:38 < Wannabejrsysadm> can i use it on a second
10:38 < Wannabejrsysadm> is the question
10:38 < togen> as long as licenses on account = windows instances, MS doesn't care which license you use at the end of the day
10:38 < Hatsjoe> Morning
10:38 < togen> though safer to use KMS
10:39 < togen> but you need 5 server registrations for KMS to activate
10:39 < Hatsjoe> Wannabejrsysadm: I'd check with your license reseller as license violations with microsoft are not fun.. They will come down on you hard if they ever find out
10:40 < Hatsjoe> Not to speak of the huge fines your company will get
10:40 < Wannabejrsysadm> ok Hatsjoe i'l check with them :)
10:41 < sadbox> Every time I hear someone try and explain windows licensing I get happier that I live in linux land
10:41 < sadbox> at least the part of linux land w/o licensing
10:42 < mrWhiteMD> Wannabejrsysadm: better deploy on hardware an Centos KVM or XEN virtualisation and 2 Windows VM's
10:42 < mrWhiteMD> and fuck microsoft with its licence
10:43 < Wannabejrsysadm> been working as a junior for 1.5 years and I still barely get this whole windows licensing thing
10:43 < Wannabejrsysadm> really confusing with virtualisation
10:44 < humpaxx> Hey peeps
10:44 < sadbox> Wannabejrsysadm: my place is all centos, if I want an OS on a machine I just do it
10:44 < sadbox> and it makes me happy
10:45 < humpaxx> Wannabejrsysadm: I doubt microsoft licensing knows whats up, call them 3 times and you might get 3 different answers
10:45 < Wannabejrsysadm> sadbox almost full windows :P  Luckily I enjoy powershell ..
10:45 < sadbox> humpaxx: isn't that the point?
10:46 < Trapdoor> fuck me how hard can it be to find Dell's prosupport phone number?
10:47 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: If you can´t find it just call the normal support and give them your servicetag, they´ll say you have to call prosupport at ####
10:47 < humpaxx> But yeah the number should be easier to find
10:47 < Trapdoor> they didn't do that last time, I had to specifically ask them
10:48 < Trapdoor> wasted 30 minutes just jumping through their hoops
10:52 < mrWhiteMD> Wannabejrsysadm: powershell - omgmyeyes
11:00 < plop> fucking monday
11:00 < ceofreak> ^
11:01 < ceofreak> and it's tuesday
11:01 < Trapdoor> holy shit it is
11:01 < ceofreak> it doesnt make it any better to be honest
11:01 < Trapdoor> it does
11:01 < Trapdoor> it makes it a little better
11:01 < ceofreak> I really dont want to do anything today at all
11:01 < Trapdoor> me neither
11:02 < Trapdoor> but at least it's not monday
11:02 < Trapdoor> where I wouldn't want to be doing anything at all either
11:02 < ceofreak> ok fair point
11:02 < Church-> I should probably sleep.
11:02 < ceofreak> I try to convince myself to install zabbix
11:02 < ceofreak> need something interesting to do
11:02 < ceofreak> only fucking first level shit today
11:03 < humpaxx> If i can set the automap policy via powershell shouldn´t i be able to query it as well to see wich users get the mailbox mapped automatically and wich ones have to add it manually???
11:03 < humpaxx> (for Exchange Online)
11:04 < Hatsjoe> Wannabejrsysadm: there are special microsoft license consultants and experts who you can hire to come in and explain how licensing works with MS.. Its that complicated that you need to have a license consultant... So don't beat yourself up that you don't understand the whole licensing model
11:04 < Church-> ceofreak: Play zork
11:04 < Church-> Or galaga.
11:04 < Church-> Plenty interesting. :P
11:05 < ceofreak> haha
11:05 < ceofreak> yeah
11:05 < ceofreak> monkey island
11:06 < Trapdoor> Wannabejrsysadm, you can always just ignore Microsoft's licensing rules and go by feel
11:06 < Trapdoor> They tried to audit me a couple of years ago, nothing ever came of it
11:06 < Church-> ceofreak: Damn Ready Player One has mr on a nostalgia trip.
11:07 < Church-> Playing all my old favorites.
11:07 < ceofreak> Worth seeing?
11:07 < Church-> Solid B, popcorn flick.
11:07 < ceofreak> Oh man I do miss those old games
11:07 < ceofreak> so much
11:07 < ceofreak> games with soul
11:07 < Church-> Don't read the book till after.
11:07 < ceofreak> read?
11:07 < Trapdoor> there's a book?
11:07 < Church-> Yep
11:07 < ceofreak> People like me, we don't read
11:08 < Church-> ceofreak: Playing gauntlet and listening to Tears for Fears and The Cure. :P
11:08 < Church-> What a night.
11:08 < ceofreak> :DDD
11:08 < Trapdoor> bitch what
11:09 < Trapdoor> fuck me teamviewer isn't running?
11:09 < Church-> My #1 favorite arcade game.
11:09 < ceofreak> those games were made out of passion
11:09 < Church-> Gauntlet 3
11:09 < ceofreak> not out of selling as much lootboxes as possible
11:09 < Church-> Plus unlike modern games I don't need to invest insane time amounts/
11:09 < ceofreak> many*
11:09 < ceofreak> yeah
11:11 < mrWhiteMD> Church-: Tears for Fears, send some good stuff
11:12 < Church-> Go put on Everybody wants to rule the world.
11:12 < Church-> Do the NSP cover though.
11:17 < mrWhiteMD> Church-: oh yeah, good stuff
11:19 < mrWhiteMD> that's also cool
11:19 < mrWhiteMD> .yt Spandau Ballet - True
11:19 <+layer-eight> YouTube Spandau Ballet - True - https://youtu.be/AR8D2yqgQ1U
11:22 < humpaxx> Consumer SSDs. not even once
11:23 < ihre> what was that brand that had sandforce controllers?
11:23 < ihre> oh right, ocz vortex
11:23 < ihre> had 3 of them die :p
11:25 < ihre> also, had a crucial m4 disappear from my system quite often :')
11:25 < ihre> crucial used to have a FAQ post for that, but cant find it anymore
11:33 < FenJai> Morning peeps
11:37 < Wannabejrsysadm> anyone good with MDT ?
11:52 < humpaxx> Man Ricoh is just the worst
11:53 < humpaxx> Or, just the account manager we have for a customer
11:55 < humpaxx> Wannabejrsysadm: Well it depends, how good do i need to be to help you?
11:55 < Reverend> morning freaks
11:58 < ihre> .yt freak out
11:58 <+layer-eight> YouTube Chic - Le Freak (Freak Out)   A OLD SCHOOL CLASSIC - https://youtu.be/EVZh4WcdC3s
11:59 < ihre> as much as i'm starting to like grafana, shit like this makes me puke a little https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/10786 :p
11:59 < Wannabejrsysadm> humpaxx well how does the Task Sequence know what deployment type it is ?
11:59 < Wannabejrsysadm> NEWCOMPUTER or REFRESH ?
12:00 < humpaxx> Afaik its set in the INI file belonging to that specific sequence
12:02 < humpaxx> in deploymentshare$\Control theres a folder for each task sequence with an XML file containing the properties
12:07 < humpaxx> Wannabejrsysadm: Im looking at the files now and i can´t find it either :p
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> because I have problems when i have a fucked up version of win 7
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> and i use MDT
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> it won't work
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> only if its out of the box or already had windows installed
12:08 < humpaxx> What do you mean?
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> so I'm guessing it has something to do with that
12:08 < humpaxx> does a newcomputer deployment fail?
12:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> I think it doesn't format or something
12:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> I still need to troubleshoot a bit more
12:09 < humpaxx> Well how far does it get?
12:09 < humpaxx> Are you automating all/parts of it?
12:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> all the way
12:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> it goes all the way
12:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> but than it doesn't find boot device
12:09 < humpaxx> Oh
12:09 < Wannabejrsysadm> but my deployment is kinda IFFY anyway
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> i had ALOT of troubles
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> deploying win 7 on SSD
12:10 < humpaxx> Did you capture from a VM ?
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> I didn't capture
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> build it from ground up
12:10 < humpaxx> Ah so you imported a WIM file from a win7 media
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> ye
12:10 < humpaxx> Well that should "just work" :/
12:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> Iknow
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> Had alot of struggles
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> my solution right now is
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> before deployment I go into the BIOS
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> change LEGACY OFF and SECURE BOOT ENABLED
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> during the deployment a script runs that turns LEGACY ON, SECURE BOOT DISABLED
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> so after first reboot it can boot
12:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> otherwise it doesn't work
12:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> i've made like 2 reddit posts and talked with some guys on this IRC for help for a few hours
12:12 < humpaxx> But with legacy enabled and secureboot off?
12:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> with legacy enabled and secureboot off from start
12:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> it won't even install
12:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> if i can't remember correctly
12:12 < humpaxx> Or, leave legacy off, turn on Secureboot on and also enable CSM?
12:12 < Wannabejrsysadm> i've tried ALOT :p
12:13 < Wannabejrsysadm> anyway i'l keep it the way it is
12:13 < Wannabejrsysadm> untill we deploy win 10
12:13 < Wannabejrsysadm> normally that should go smoother
12:14 < humpaxx> Do these laptops support windows 7? :p
12:14 < Wannabejrsysadm> they come with win 7
12:15 < humpaxx> Ah
12:15 < Wannabejrsysadm> HP Probook 650 G2's
12:15 < Wannabejrsysadm> if your intrested
12:15 < humpaxx> Well then it should "just work" :S
12:15 < Wannabejrsysadm> but we replaced the HDD with an SSD
12:16 < Wannabejrsysadm> ye indeed :p  it "should" just work :p
12:16 < Wannabejrsysadm> anyway this afternoon i'l troubleshoot a bit more :p
12:16 < humpaxx> Have you enabled the secure boot thing and rebuilt the image file?
12:16 < Wannabejrsysadm> time for lunch
12:16 < humpaxx> hold on 2 min :P
12:18 < humpaxx> In the deployment shar properties under the Windows PE tab, have you selected the right platform and checked "Sureboot Cmdlets" ? in my deployment share the following is checked: Secureboot,DISM,Microsoft Data acess, .net framework and enhanced storage
12:19 < humpaxx> Im off to lunch as well.
12:54 < plop> why is autocad so mean
12:57 < mrWhiteMD> plop: because sysadmins shouldn't work with autocad
12:59 < plop> mrWhiteMD, true
13:00 < Trapdoor> lol, I love calling dell support without having updated my systems
13:00 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: it be ya own dam fault
13:00 < Trapdoor> it's fine, it's funny
13:00 < humpaxx> Dont you have the dell update utility? :p
13:00 < Trapdoor> "We should update your idrac before we continue"
13:01 < Trapdoor> 10 minutes pass, idrac finished updates
13:01 < humpaxx> Is the problem iDrac related?
13:01 < Trapdoor> "We need to generate support logs, should take about 12 minutes"
13:01 < Trapdoor> I've got a Dell Media Creation Tool
13:01 < Trapdoor> it formatted the wrong drive once
13:01 < Trapdoor> never used it again
13:02 < humpaxx> Luckily you had the backups?
13:02 < Trapdoor> of course not
13:02 < humpaxx> :<
13:02 < Trapdoor> it's fine though, it didn't hold anything important
13:04 < onicrom> anyone wanna help me debug a sudo problem that im sure is just me being an idiot?
13:04 < Trapdoor> sure
13:04 < onicrom> so sudo -l output says i have perms to run the command
13:04 < onicrom> with NOPASSWD
13:04 < onicrom> but, its still prompting me for a password
13:05 < ihre> (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL ?
13:05 < Trapdoor> Hmm
13:05 < onicrom> ALL = (user) NOPASSWD: CMDALIAS
13:05 < Trapdoor> sudoers file is read top to bottom, with last entries taking preference
13:05 < ihre> then check out what CMDALIAS is
13:05 < onicrom> sudo -u user command-thats-in-alias
13:05 < onicrom> yes thats the exact command im running
13:06 < Trapdoor> is the user perhaps member of a group that has sudoer privileges set further down in the sudoers file?
13:06 < Trapdoor> I don't remember if it's "last takes preference" or "most restrictive takes preference"
13:06 < onicrom> but wouldnt that be discovered looking at the output of sudo -l
13:07 < onicrom> sudo -l tells you exactly what you can run and how
13:07 < Trapdoor> maybe, maybe not
13:07 < Trapdoor> someone had to write and compile the sudo binary
13:07 < Trapdoor> someone also wrote the sudo -l parameter function
13:08 < Trapdoor> can you upload the full sudoers file?
13:08 < ihre> onicrom: https://askubuntu.com/a/22043 he
13:08 < ihre> h
13:09 < ihre> that makes me wonder more what the actual alias is ;p
13:13 < onicrom> im an idiot
13:13 < Trapdoor> here it is
13:13 < onicrom> the application team did not deloy the app to the server
13:13 < ihre> kek
13:13 < Trapdoor> The eternal mantra of sysadmins
13:13 < onicrom> ...the command being executed did not exist
13:13 < Trapdoor> "I'm an idiot"
13:13 < Trapdoor> lol
13:13 < onicrom> and so instead of telling me that it asks for password
13:15 < onicrom> sigh i hate that
13:15 < Church-> Morning again folks
13:15 < ceofreak> lol
13:15 < ceofreak> the fuck church
13:15 < Trapdoor> morning?
13:15 < Trapdoor> it's 1:15pm
13:15 < Church-> ceofreak: Still playing Galaga.
13:15 < Trapdoor> only 3 hours and 45 minutes to go
13:15 < Church-> Trapdoor: That's nice. It's morning where I am.
13:15 < Trapdoor> lol sucks
13:16 < ceofreak> 3 hours 45min...
13:16 < ceofreak> fuck
13:16 < Trapdoor> 3 hours and 44
13:16 < ceofreak> I'll make it 2 and 43
13:18 < ceofreak> Ihre?
13:18 < ihre> yes?
13:18 < Trapdoor> Man, whenever I get stress about all this adult shit I just relax and remember my extensive training on how to adult
13:19 < Trapdoor> Oh wait, I never got any training
13:19 < ceofreak> I try to update snipe-it (It-asset management) and they provide a php upgrade.php file. Which when I run it throws me a couple of permission denied errors on folders. When I try running it as sudo it says "This script should not be run as root/admin exiting"
13:19 < ceofreak> any idea how to work around that?
13:20 < ceofreak> even the documentation says just run the php upgrade.php
13:20 < ceofreak> nothing more
13:20 < iw1042> it doesnt mention permissions at all?
13:20 < Trapdoor> chown the-user:the-user /* -R
13:20 < ceofreak> yes
13:20 < ihre> ceofreak: can you post the errors?
13:20 < ceofreak> yes mom
13:20 < ihre> http://dpaste.de
13:21 < ihre> ok son
13:21 < ceofreak> lol
13:22 < ceofreak> Ihre: https://dpaste.de/hFqL
13:23 < Trapdoor> did you run the script as apache or www-user or whoever is the webserver?
13:24 < Trapdoor> su - apache php upgrade.php
13:24 < Trapdoor> or something like that
13:25 < ceofreak> no
13:25 < Trapdoor> try that
13:26 < ceofreak> no apache user
13:26 < iw1042> www-data?
13:26 < ceofreak> jup
13:27 < Trapdoor> ps aux
13:27 < Trapdoor> find out who runs apache
13:27 < Trapdoor> or nginx
13:27 < Trapdoor> lighttpd
13:27 < mrWhiteMD> chmod -R 777 *yourscript* :D
13:27 < ceofreak> www data
13:27 < Trapdoor> whatever you use
13:27 < mrWhiteMD> and fuck them all
13:27 < Trapdoor> mrWhiteMD, <Trapdoor> chown the-user:the-user /* -R
13:27 < ceofreak> www data runs it
13:27 < Trapdoor> www-data runs it
13:27 < Trapdoor> so run the upgrade script as www-data
13:28 < ihre> and what is the output of ls -la /var/www/snipeit/
13:28 < mrWhiteMD> www-data souds like ubuntu or debian
13:28 < ihre> that doesnt mean the subdir is also owned by that user, or the .git dir :p
13:28 < ihre> it should be www-data
13:28 < ihre> or atleast, the www-data should be able to write to it
13:29 <+enix> or apache
13:29 <+enix> or httpd
13:29 <+enix> or apache2
13:29 < Trapdoor> apache3
13:29 <+enix> what're we talking about
13:29 < ihre> indians
13:29 < Trapdoor> httpd users
13:29 <+enix> ihre: dont start that again
13:29 < ihre> enix: or else?!
13:30 <+enix> or else it'll start a shit storm again with a certian participant going ham
13:30 < ceofreak> hm
13:30 < ihre> im cool with a shit storm
13:30 < ceofreak> I need a password for the www-data user to run the command, but I log in to the server using a keypair
13:30 <+enix> well if you have your toilet paper ready be my guess :P
13:30 <+enix> ceofreak: huh
13:30 < ceofreak> aws
13:30 <+enix> ceofreak: passwd www-data
13:30 < mrWhiteMD> su www-data
13:30 < ihre> no you dont log in as www-data user, use su(do)
13:31 <+enix> set the password, just make sure password auth is disabled in /etc/sshd_config if that's your goal
13:31 < ihre> :D
13:31 <+enix> &
13:31 <+enix> ^**
13:31 < ihre> enix: stfu
13:31 < Church-> Think it's time for a nap.
13:31 < ihre> :D
13:31 < ceofreak> this account is currently not available
13:31 < mrWhiteMD> :D
13:31 <+enix> ceofreak: whatre you doing
13:31 <+enix> tldr
13:31 <+enix> eli5
13:31 < ihre> su www-data -s /bin/bash, but you generally dont do that, you run the upgrade.php script from your browser
13:31 < ihre> and the browser runs it as www-data user
13:31 < ceofreak> try running a snipe-it upgrade
13:31 < ihre> which should have permissions to write to those specified folders
13:31 < Trapdoor> ceofreak, you're getting terrible advice
13:32 < Trapdoor> fyi
13:32 <+enix> right
13:32 < Trapdoor> don't passwd www-data
13:32 < ceofreak> i know
13:32 < ihre> ^^^^^^
13:32 < ceofreak> no browser update apparently
13:33 < ihre> ceofreak: ls -la /var/www/snipeit | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
13:33 <+enix> why did i log into my work computer fuck
13:33 <+enix> oh right
13:33 < ihre> you probably need to fix the permissions of some of those dirs mentioned in the log you pasted earlier
13:33 < ihre> so www-data can write to them
13:34 < odify> directories chmod 775, files chmod 644
13:34 < odify> err 755*
13:35 <+enix> who the fucks paying $800/month on mortgage/rent
13:35 <+enix> I'm jealous
13:35 < mrWhiteMD> ihre: ix.io nice service, thx
13:36 <+enix> wish i owned a domain like ix.io
13:36 <+enix> best i could get was eni.id.au (eni changed with my initials)
13:36 < mrWhiteMD> enix: aussie ?
13:36 < odify> enix, the .au TLD is being released soon
13:36 <+enix> mrWhiteMD: yeah
13:36 < odify> keep an eye out
13:36 <+enix> odify:
13:36 <+enix> OMG ODIFY
13:37 <+enix> YOU ARE ALIVE
13:37 < odify> hello!
13:37 <+enix> Halloooo!!!!
13:37 <+enix> Yeah I'm looking out for the .au's
13:37 < odify> i got a very busy job :P
13:37 <+enix> I am not jealous
13:37 <+enix> I have one too :(
13:37 < odify> haha
13:37 <+enix> Although I've neglected a thing or two
13:38 <+enix> I jumped on that optus deal for mobile internet
13:38 <+enix> $70/month for 120GB data on 4G
13:39 < odify> ah yep
13:39 <+enix> Now I believe they have $50 for 200GB and I'm extremely peeved. Actually tempting to get it as an add-on
13:39 < odify> yeah they do
13:39 <+enix> $120/month for 320GB/month though :\
13:39 < odify> just call and tell them youre switching to telstra
13:39 < odify> and youll get whatever
13:39 <+enix> you reckon they would do that
13:39 < odify> 100%
13:40 <+enix> I should give it a shot. So much chasing around to do tomorrow
13:40 < odify> i fucked off my shitty home adsl2 and got unlimited 12Mbit 4g
13:40 < humpaxx> Wannabejrsysadm:  did you check the winPE thing?
13:40 < odify> which is double the speed
13:41 < humpaxx> odify: What year is it? /s
13:41 <+enix> odify: where did you pick that up from?
13:41 < odify> vivid wireless
13:41 <+enix> humpaxx: this is australia. so internet wise 1998
13:41 < humpaxx> Ahh okay
13:41 < odify> i mean sort if, it's complicated in australia
13:41 < odify> tonnes of people get 50Mbit+, less get 100Mbit+
13:42 < humpaxx> Yeah can´t be easy having to flip all them bits
13:42 < humpaxx> since australia is on the bottom side of the planet
13:42 < odify> and the rest who haven't been upgraded to the better network get terrible copper wire speeds
13:42 < odify> or 4g
13:42 < humpaxx> Ow :/
13:42 < odify> bit of a meme within australia
13:42 < odify> and a sore point
13:42 < odify> google australia nbn
13:43 < odify> and yeah it's not fun
13:43 <+enix> holy fuck
13:43 <+enix> tepal
13:43 <+enix> in TNG
13:43 <+enix> Vulcan security
13:43 <+enix> brb fapping time
13:44 <+enix> her tits are missing in this though. very upsetting
13:44 <+enix> odify: yeah so I have cable with optus. It's the home owners not mine so I cant do anything about this, but our internet continually cuts out
13:44 <+enix> funnily enough i believe they want us to move to nbn soon
13:45 <+enix> but we're between two exchanges so lucky to get 10Mbps up or down, hence the cable plan. But now they want us on fucking adsl are you kidding me hahaha
13:46 < ihre> mrWhiteMD: that + https://github.com/major/icanhaz and wttr.in are really nice :3
13:49 <+enix> wttr.in is cute
13:49 < mrWhiteMD> ihre: really nice, especially wttr.in
13:50 <+enix> I've actually spoken to the bloke behind icanhazip
13:50 < mrWhiteMD> don't need Chrome anymore, i can do everything in curl :D
13:50 < ihre> at a rackspace meetup/day or something enix?
13:50 <+enix> Absolute top bloke. Actually responded to my emails to help me with my own clone of his script
13:50 < ihre> oh he works for red hat now
13:51 < ihre> not bad
13:51 < odify> does he also own the superior icanhazip.com?
13:52 < ihre> yep
13:52 < odify> good :P
13:52 < mrWhiteMD> http://rate.sx/
13:58 <+enix> did whmcs change their rates
14:00 <+enix> ITS NOT TEPAL ABORT ABORT
14:02 <+enix> ihre: nah I just emailed him
14:02 <+enix> Had a bit of a chat. Nice guy!
14:03 <+enix> I didn't actually expect a response to an email that said "how did you prevent a line break in a web browser but allowed it on the command line"
14:06 < Wannabejrsysadm> hello , anyone who can help me with MDT https://www.screencast.com/t/IQPYhXdSh
14:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> humpaxx heya buddy I think I have found the issue
14:16 < Casteil> no snow :(
14:19 <+enix> Casteil: ?
14:19 <+enix> oh no SNOW
14:19 <+enix> i thought you said show
14:20 < Casteil> no, they were calling for ice here, we've gotten nothing... few hours north they're supposed to be getting more than a foot of snow
14:20 <+enix> spewin'
14:21 <+enix> guess youll have to go to school tomorrow then
14:21 < ihre> you've jinxed it Casteil
14:21  * Casteil shrugs 
14:21 < Casteil> 12" of snow isn't going to be the end of the world
14:21 < Casteil> even though I took my snow tires off
14:21 <+enix> thats what khaleesi said
14:21 < ihre> that would totes be the end of the netherlands
14:21 < Casteil> still have AWD so it's hard to get stuck
14:22 < ihre> 12" and everybody just dies
14:22 <+enix> Wish that sorted aussies out
14:22 < ihre> fuck, 6" would kill half
14:22 <+enix> fucked would just use bins as snow boards
14:22 <+enix> s/ed/ers
14:22 <+layer-eight> enix meant: "fuckers would just use bins as snow boards"
14:24 < MikeSeth> ok, I am now a card carrying member of "fuck netgear switches with a rake" club
14:25 <+enix> yuhp
14:26 < ihre> MikeSeth: i joined that club last week
14:27 < ihre> but then again, i only have a shitty consumer manageable switch, gs108e
14:27 < MikeSeth> i have a bunch of gs724t and a deprecated version of gs724ts
14:27 <+enix> ffs so woocommerce global template applies a certain theme, which is included in the product page
14:27 < MikeSeth> jesus fucking christ is all I have to say
14:28 < ihre> i've had one of those, never booted it and just sold it through an irc channel ;p
14:28 <+enix> So if I want to remove the div wrapper I think I'll have to hack at this pretty hard
14:28 <+enix> MikeSeth: whats wrong with it
14:30 < MikeSeth> enix: butt ugly UI, no SSH, config and firmware transfer works over tftp only, vlan management is retarded, and the whole thing looks like it was designed back when DHTML was still hawt
14:32 < MikeSeth> ah yes and the new 724T has a built in JAVA APPLET to display port states
14:32 < MikeSeth> i don't even
14:32 <+enix> ew
14:32 < MikeSeth> seriously, dick butt
14:38 < ihre> i think the 'office' hp's have that too, like a hp 1810
14:38 < ihre> no ssh either
14:39 < ihre> but fuck. i rather use one of those (at home) than a 48p cisco which draws 80-110w, vs 10-30 of the hp
14:39 < ihre> in other words, WTS 2960g 48p ;p
14:42 <+enix> fuuu
14:42 <+enix> ihre: are you a woocommerce guru
14:42 < ihre> nope
14:42 < ihre> never heard of it
14:42 < asimon> Good morning friends
14:43 <+enix> :(
14:43 <+enix> Mornin'
14:43 <+enix> I'm using a bootstrap based wordpress theme which has woocommerce templates
14:43 < MikeSeth> you deserve everything that's coming to you enix
14:43 <+enix> But the layout I need for the product display page isn't like in smarty; it's got all these hooks and shit
14:44 <+enix> MikeSeth: what's the alternative though :(
14:44 <+enix> magento? Urgh
14:44 < MikeSeth> PHP free life
14:44 <+enix> A mans gotta make a living
14:44 < MikeSeth> enix: tbh I've been considering writing my own for a while
14:44 < MikeSeth> but I would rather just not go back to web construction making ever again
14:44 <+enix> Yeah I've toyed with it but fuck that
14:45 <+enix> Although I would appreciate a better system to work with. I seriously hate how woocommerce/wordpress has evolved tbh
14:45 <+enix> Hands down the best ever CMS was vBulletin 3.8
14:46 <+enix> That templating system was orgasmic to modify. I'd done so much with it
14:50 <+enix> i'm about to crawl into a ball
14:52 <+enix> Nope, I'm tapping out
14:52 <+enix> too much work for one day
14:52 <+enix> brains fried. night guys
14:52 < asimon> Goodnight
14:52 < asimon> I hope tomorrow is better for you
14:59 < MikeSeth> tomorrow is only going to be more woocommerce
15:02 < vinrock> who's the big reptile guy here again?
15:02 < vinrock> was it alazare or khelpw?
15:02 < khelpw> me
15:02 < vinrock> https://i.imgur.com/aDnUoF9.gifv
15:02 < khelpw> soup?
15:02 < vinrock> BOOSH SON!
15:02 < MikeSeth> reptile guy?
15:02 < vinrock> yeah he got mad sneks
15:02 < MikeSeth> oh
15:02 < MikeSeth> so im like
15:02 < MikeSeth> cat guy?
15:02 < MikeSeth> shrimp guy?
15:02 < vinrock> catshrimp guy
15:03 < khelpw> that snake is probably scared as shit. That being said, It's a pretty ball python, and a funny gif.
15:03 < MikeSeth> i've been considering a ball python
15:03 < khelpw> Honestly, I wouldn't necessarily recommend them as a first snake
15:04 < khelpw> they tend to go on hunger strikes that can last several months, and that can be stressful for a first time owner. Despite their reputation they are also a bit harder to keep _well_ than is commonly implied.
15:05 < MikeSeth> I read tat in the manual
15:05 < MikeSeth> so I don't mind
15:06 < MikeSeth> thing is I have two cats and theyre playful, probably not a good idea for a snek
15:06 < MikeSeth> one of them is a picker and would try to grab and move everything
15:06 < MikeSeth> so that's trouble
15:07 < khelpw> Gotta keep the enclosure secure and any heating/lighting fixed in place then.
15:07 < MikeSeth> khelpw: even then
15:07 < MikeSeth> a curious cat would have no problem sitting outside for hours staring
15:07 < khelpw> Yeah, they do but it's not a big deal.
15:08 < khelpw> they become disinterested pretty quick, especially ball pythons because they tend to just hang out in their hide most of the time
15:08 < MikeSeth> I should prolly just get an aquarium going instead
15:08 < khelpw> totally different scale of care.
15:08 < khelpw> my adult ball python eats once every 2-3 weeks when she's on feed. I spray her enclosure down with water every couple of days and make sure she has clean water and that's really about it.
15:09 < MikeSeth> yeah i know
15:09 < MikeSeth> aquarium takes like 3 weeks to just launch lol
15:09 < F34RInc> felda, my pfSense died yesterday.  Something with the mobo
15:10 < felda> awww
15:10 < F34RInc> felda, I knew something was failing but I thought it was just the HD
15:10 < felda> now buy a bigger, girthier machine
15:10 < atom138> any autoit lords in here?
15:10 < atom138> or excel?
15:11 < F34RInc> felda, already got this AMD A8-7650 build spec'd out. Will cost me $250
15:11 < felda> nice
15:14 < mrWhiteMD> atom138: what do you need ?
15:16 < atom138> Im using a form in excel to scan in thousands of SNs and MACs of deprecated vpn devices. I have my scanner to auto tab to MAC after scanning SN but then i have to hit enter to add it to spreadsheet. im trying to have it auto send ENTER automatically after scanning each
15:16 < khelpw> IMO vivarium > aquarium. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/nD9U9Qx0/image.png
15:17 < vinrock> add a vbCrLf at end of scan
15:17 < khelpw> That's how the one for my leachie gecko started out. It's way fuller now but I haven't taken a picture in a while.
15:17 < atom138> would that effect every scan? i need enter to be at the end of every other scan with tab still proceeding it
15:18 < mkillebrew> why would you use a spreadsheet for that
15:20 < atom138> We have 6,000 devices with no ocumentation that need to be inventoried before they are sent to the grinder
15:20 < atom138> Previous management was worthless
15:20 <+abakedapplepie> geez
15:20 <+abakedapplepie> why bother
15:20 < atom138> corporate
15:20 < mkillebrew> why not literally any other KV store that's easier to automate
15:20 < F34RInc> felda, sweet I get to expense the new build.
15:20 < felda> nice!
15:21 < felda> I just ended up buying a whitebox supermicro
15:21 < atom138> im so close to getting it streamlined. The form feature in excel made it 100x better its just this one thing i need
15:21 < felda> slapped an intel ssd in there
15:21 <+giant_it_burrit> atom138: anything good?
15:23 < mkillebrew> you could have so easily used a proper DB or berkeley or something
15:24 < mkillebrew> or even just csv if you insist on working with spreadsheet format
15:25 < atom138> I'm aware theres a thousand better ways to do it but they want it in excel. They live and breathe excel here.
15:25 < mkillebrew> you can export literally any of those to excel
15:26 < mkillebrew> you can open csv directly in excel
15:26 < asimon> mkillebrew: Sounds like you're trying to address a problem that doesn't need solving...
15:26 < atom138> I'm limited to the software they have on their 'app store' anything not directly related to my dept needs approval and will be denied
15:26 < atom138> I had to jump through hoops to get notepad++ ffs
15:27 < mkillebrew> your job sounds awful.
15:27 < atom138> i had to convince my dept director why i needed autoit. Thats as good as im gonna get.
15:27 < atom138> This project is awful and its cleaning up after shitshow former management.
15:28 < mrWhiteMD> atom138: export to csv, and use one for loop
15:28 < mrWhiteMD> and...
15:28 < mrWhiteMD> PROFFIT !
15:29 < atom138> Wow you're right. I started this continuing an already 1700 row .xls
15:29 < atom138> Mother of god.
15:30 <+abakedapplepie> if i were you id leave a blank scan between devices too
15:30 <+abakedapplepie> just so you can make sure you dont get out of whack
15:30 <+abakedapplepie> click, click, blank, click, click, blank, click click, blank
15:31 <+abakedapplepie> otherwise it'd be easy to accidentally miss a scan once, and suddenly your for loop will associate a neighbor's SN with your MAC
15:31 < atom138> well the most redundant part is we only need one or the other. Theres no reason to scan both.
15:31 <+abakedapplepie> oh
15:31 < atom138> you can search for either and get the other but this is what they want
15:31 <+abakedapplepie> you dont need to know which are associated?
15:32 < atom138> they are alrerady in our provisioning system and i can search by sn or mac and get everything.
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> i see
15:32 < atom138> they need an inventory for which are in field and which arent and how many are MIA
15:32 <+abakedapplepie> so your inventory system wont do this for you????
15:33 <+abakedapplepie> wheres the inventory control too no barcodes?
15:33 < atom138> Thats what where former management failed and we are doing it now
15:33 < atom138> -what
15:33 <+abakedapplepie> you need something like a "check out" equipment in your inventory control, scan and automatically flag in the system
15:33 <+abakedapplepie> i didnt realize you already had shit
15:33 <+abakedapplepie> lol
15:33 < atom138> yep
15:34 < atom138> the barcodes are .1 in apart and .25in long too
15:34 < atom138> its a nightmare. I have to use a little piece of folder with a window cut out to scan right one
15:35 < atom138> MAC is inbetween 2 other barcodes
15:35 < atom138> barcaodes are .2in tall
15:35 <+abakedapplepie> oh jeeZ
15:35 < alazare619> someone keeps trying to login to my fortnite account lmao
15:35 <+abakedapplepie> that sucks
15:35 <+abakedapplepie> you can get a tighter scanner
15:35 < atom138> the red light from scanner is 4x wider than the barcodes
15:35 < alazare619> 3rd email ive gotten in 2 days about my account locked due to invalid login attempts
15:36 <+abakedapplepie> atom138: a decent handheld that should be adjustable
15:36 <+abakedapplepie> mine had small/med/large
15:36 < atom138> yeah not gonna happen. we're 3/5th done believe it or not.
15:37 <+abakedapplepie> well i mean check what youre using it might have the option
15:37 < atom138> i have a pile of boxes packed with them maybe 5ft high 8ft wide and 4ft long
15:37 < atom138> nah i programmed it already to have tab suffix which was best it could do
15:38 < atom138> and beep volume, thank christ
15:42 < Nightcinder> tfw you get a complaint your vpn is down
15:42 < Nightcinder> you test it, works fine
15:43 < atom138> thats my life
15:48 < atom138> Thats what im scanning is 6,000 Arubas
15:49 < Trapdoor> Nightcinder, I hear you
15:49 < corn266> Why are you scanning a small island owned by the Netherlands
15:49 < tapoxi> any of you cool k8s kids building with skaffold?
15:49 < Trapdoor> Had an external contractor bitch about the VPN, I tested it, it worked
15:49 < Trapdoor> In fact there were 3 users on the vpn when I checked, one of which were in the office go figure
15:49 < Casteil> lulz, HR chick who floats between locations came downstate this morning.. probably to flee the 1-2ft of snow they're supposed to get today
15:50 < Trapdoor> He asked if he could bring his laptop in, I said fine, he showed up, reinstalled his vpn client, works
15:50 < technonerd> does panera bread have a security team
15:50 < Trapdoor> Your shit doesn't work? Did you try again? Did you reboot? Did you reinstall the thing?
15:51 < technonerd> guess not since previous cio worked for equihaxs
16:13 < vinrock> hm
16:13 < vinrock> just noticed last paycheck was $190 higher
16:14 < vinrock> that'd be nice if I got a phantom raise
16:16 < ebol4> mine was much lower and then i looked and it's because my 401k contribs kicked in
16:17 < corn266> Has anyone had issues installing tensorflow with CUDA on redhat? I've found redhat's online walkthrough, but GNOME fails to start after NVIDIA drivers are installed
16:18 < Trapdoor> oh dear corn266 who asked you to "implement machine learning in the IT service chain"?
16:20 < starbomba> one 8 port unmanaged pocket switch shit on an entire segment and nobody could figure it out while i was on a day off
16:20 < corn266> You jest, but we're R&D
16:20 < starbomba> this worries me
16:20 < corn266> "And AI is the future"
16:21 < Casteil> I finally finalized my taxes last night
16:21 < Casteil> had to pay in for the first time ever though mainly because I cashed out some cryptocurrency and uncle sam just had to get his share (some 25%)
16:21 < ebol4> just launder that
16:21 < ebol4> you fool
16:22 < corn266> So Casteil does cashing out mean transferring from broker to bank or does it include currency exchange
16:23 < Casteil> in my sense, it's.. I had mined some coin years back and sold/"cashed out" at a relatively high point vs what it is now, and turned my crypto into actual money
16:23 < GrandWizardZippy> how goes it all
16:24 < ebol4> the wizard
16:24 < Casteil> anyway, yeah... I got a 15% raise so naturally I'm paying more in withholding and getting less in my return than ever before :|
16:25 < starbomba> "I had mined some coin years back and sold/"cashed out" at a relatively high point vs what it  is now"
16:25 < starbomba> oh if only it worked that way...
16:25 < Casteil> starbomba: uh
16:25 < ebol4> it's gonna be like 8 months before any of my crypto is worth anything again
16:25 < Casteil> I'm glad it's down
16:25 < starbomba> dogecoin enterprises ride or die?
16:26 < Heresiarch> ...did bitcoin finally crash?
16:26 < ebol4> Casteil: yeah time to buy more
16:26 < Casteil> I've always thought it was bullshit.. and hate it for what it has done to the graphics card market
16:26 < ebol4> ethereum is falling hard
16:26 < Casteil> everything has been 'falling hard' the last few weeks
16:26 < ebol4> dropped from like $800 to $400
16:26 < Casteil> BTC is down to like $7300 right now
16:26 < humpaxx> starbomba: god i wish i had kept my dogecoins, they´d be worth like 250 dollars by now
16:26 < Casteil> which is actually up a bit from like $6500
16:27 < Heresiarch> bah. BTC needs to drop below $1k. Maybe then I can finally get a gtx1060 for near-retail.
16:27 < corn266> Current Prices: BTC $7,304.00USD ; ETH $400.37USD ; LTC $125.18USD ; DOGE $0.0029264USD
16:27 < Casteil> yeah this last month or so it's been on a pretty consistent downward trend from about 11,700
16:27 < technonerd> All 10k of them
16:27 < Sousapro> I'm praying for the new hip coin to run like RPi speed on graphics cards
16:27 < Casteil> I sold my LTC at 255
16:28 < ebol4> the lower BTC prices drop, the easier it is to mine with GPU's, isn't it?
16:28 < Casteil> which was a little while after it hit a high of like $330 or something
16:28 < Casteil> not too butthurt about selling now, now that it's less than half what I sold it for
16:28 < ebol4> and i don't think people are mining btc with gpu's anymore
16:28 < technonerd> I sold half my ltc on the first bubble of 40$
16:28 < ebol4> they've all moved on to other things
16:28 < humpaxx> ebol4: the work required to mine isn´t affected by the value of BTC
16:29 < Sousapro> ebol4: unless they are pleasing themselves with 1080ti's, they're getting used somewhere non-gaming
16:29 < Casteil> ebol4: sure, but everything is pretty closely linked to BTC's value
16:29 < ebol4> Sousapro: right, other crypto
16:29 < ebol4> humpaxx: did not know that
16:29 < Sousapro> meanwhile it's been almost 6 months since I can get a card at a reasonable price
16:29 < Casteil> Sousapro: they're getting to be available again
16:29 < Heresiarch> ebol4: BTC mining difficulty increases with number of coins mined.
16:30 < ebol4> wouldn't more coins be mined if the value is lower
16:30 < Sousapro> Casteil: so they're gone in 5 seconds instead of 0.0001 seconds at 2am?
16:30 < Casteil> they still haven't come down a ton but there's a lot more in stock than there used to be
16:30 < Sousapro> oh, cool
16:30 < Heresiarch> ebol4: nope. The mined coins don't go away, they're just worth less in actual money terms.
16:30 < Sousapro> still, aren't they about the release the 1100 series?
16:30 < ebol4> that makes sense
16:30 < Sousapro> so buying a 1080ti would be nuts right now
16:30 < Casteil> go to Newegg - you can *actually* buy a 1080 right now
16:31 < Sousapro> wat
16:31 < Sousapro> awesome
16:31 < technonerd> 1k for 1080ti
16:31 < Casteil> and yeah, buying right now is dumb
16:31 < ebol4> i just hope my gpu doesn't die in a freak accident because i'm not buying a new one right now
16:31 < Casteil> with the 1100 series on the brink
16:31 < Casteil> afaik they're due in July
16:31 < Casteil> might be worth preordering one if you're eager to upgrade
16:31 < Sousapro> I'm going to preorder or something
16:31 < Sousapro> I'd like to own one now and not in 2020
16:31 < Casteil> if bitcoin spikes again it might be the only time to get one at a 'reasonable' price
16:31 < Sousapro> lol
16:32 < ebol4> bitcoin will definitely go up again
16:32 < starbomba> lolololol
16:32 < Sousapro> I mean, I really wanted vega64 because of how terrible nvidia is about allowing virtualization
16:32 < Sousapro> that's never gonna happen though
16:32 < Casteil> ebol4: it'd have to skyrocket to regain the same 'average joe' buzz it had these last 6 months or so
16:32 < ebol4> either btc will go up again, or some other thing will catch on
16:33 < Casteil> the same buzz that caused GPUs to become so widely demanded
16:34 <@mistiry> RingCentral down
16:34 <@mistiry> awesome
16:34 < felda> heuhuehuehuehuehuehueh
16:34 < felda> your filthy users still make calls
16:34 < corn266> I'm holding out for ETH to move to POS so graphics cards drop
16:35 < felda> all my salespeople use telepathy to contact customers
16:35 < dragonfleas> Anybody know of any scripts with a GUI that can automate account creation in AD along with mail account creation? or am I going to have to powershell my way through this so HR can take over account creation
16:35 < ebol4> what's sonic's favorite cloud-based communication solution
16:35 < felda> Skype no doubt
16:35 <@mistiry> felda: does pfsense help them channel their telepathy?
16:35 < dragonfleas> I'm trying to offset this responsibility onto HR
16:35 < felda> mistiry yes pfsense gave them this power
16:35 < felda> no customer can say no
16:35 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: you're better off with a powershell script that can tie into the hris.
16:35 <@mistiry> felda: i assumed so, pfsense is life
16:35 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, hris?
16:36 < Sousapro> powershell is life
16:36 < Sousapro> azure is so much nicer
16:36 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: whatever software HR uses for personnel records.
16:36 < Sousapro> I was wondering WTF was up with azure for like 3 days
16:36 < Sousapro> then the fire nation atta.... err, I started using Azure Powershell
16:36 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, hahaha we don't have a platform for that unfortunately, it's all documents that are protected and saved, accessed manually
16:36 < dragonfleas> closest thing to paper personnel records
16:36 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: ...I'm sorry.
16:37 < Sousapro> lol, they converted paper filing cabinets into SMB filing cabinets
16:37 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, yeah, but my last job used Kronos, which was HELL
16:37 < dragonfleas> Sousapro, yeah you hit the nail on the head on that one
16:38 < dragonfleas> we're small business non-profit though, only 3 sites, 115 users, not too hard to manage
16:38 < Heresiarch> hmm. Would an rx580 be an upgrade to a gtx960?
16:38 < ebol4> i believe it would be
16:38 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, slightly
16:39 < Heresiarch> bah.
16:39 < ebol4> just get a 1060 6GB if you can find one under $300
16:39 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, I would recommend just signing up for nowinstock.net alerts and waiting for a 1060 6 gb to go up for sale
16:40 < dragonfleas> holy fuck
16:40 < dragonfleas> there's a bunch of GPU's in stock right now
16:40 < dragonfleas> !!!!
16:40 < dragonfleas> http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1060/
16:40 <+TuxedoJack> Well damn
16:40 < corn266> REEEEEEEEEE why can't I disable the noveau kernel driver
16:40 < dragonfleas> YEAH FUCK YOU BITCOIN
16:40 <+TuxedoJack> No excuse for the fucking bosses not to get me the hydrocooled 1070 I asked for as part of this promotion, then
16:40 < ebol4> hydrothunder
16:41 < humpaxx> corn266: just blacklist it?
16:41 < Heresiarch> corn266: ...uninstall it and install the binary driver?
16:41 < ebol4> when will windows xp make a comeback
16:41 < humpaxx> ebol4: SP4 was released recently
16:41 < ebol4> was it really?
16:41 < dragonfleas> humpaxx, good meme
16:41 < dragonfleas> jesus...
16:41 < ebol4> now i'm disappointed
16:41 < ebol4> 2018 year of the xp desktop
16:41 < corn266> It's blacklisted with modprobe.d and in /etc/default/grub
16:41 < Heresiarch> humpaxx: lol
16:42 < humpaxx> Ok maybe not recently, 2013 :p
16:43 < vinrock> holy fuckola
16:43 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, get this https://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-Superclocked-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Video-Card/173250467590?epid=233753822&hash=item2856885706:g:EAoAAOSwzwxawtAH
16:43 < vinrock> a hella time delay 12vdc relay costs $60
16:44 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: lolno. One, I'm not buying a card on ebay. Two, I have no need for a 1070.
16:44 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, why are you searching for a GPU? gaming? or for work?
16:45 < Heresiarch> Gaming. On a system that probably won't see more than 2x2k res for several years.
16:45 < dragonfleas> if you are on 2x2k res you probably should use a 1070
16:46 < Heresiarch> I'm on 1080 right now. 2x2k is aspirational. XD
16:46 < dragonfleas> oh man
16:46 < Casteil> screw buying a 1060 for $300
16:46 < dragonfleas> are you trying to sell your 1080?
16:46 < Casteil> that's a bunch of bullshit
16:47 < Casteil> nvidia has really stagnated this generation and it's all thanks to bitcoin
16:47 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: 1080p res. XD
16:47 < dragonfleas> on lol
16:47 < Casteil> they've been dragging their feet on a refresh because they haven't been able to keep 2+ year old cards on the shelf at MSRP
16:47 < Casteil> bitcoin is pretty much cancer for gaming
16:48 < dragonfleas> Casteil, if the crypto market doesn't crash, we're probably looking at dedicated MPU's so they can segregate gamers from miners
16:48 < Trapdoor> how do you use bitcoin for gaming...
16:48 < dragonfleas> wtf is happening
16:48 < Trapdoor> netsplit
16:48 < Casteil> Trapdoor: it's the cancer killing (PC) gaming
16:48 < Trapdoor> Casteil, I read it my way and I'm sticking to it
16:48 < dragonfleas> Trapdoor, it's killing PC gaming due to miners
16:48 <+TuxedoJack> You really have to wonder, though
16:49 <+TuxedoJack> Just what the hell are they hashing out when Bitcoin's computed
16:49 < Casteil> damn freenode
16:49 <@mistiry> those are netsplits tho
16:49 < Trapdoor> ASIC miners have been around forever
16:49 < Casteil> get your shit together
16:49 <@mistiry> those are pint timeouts
16:49 < corn266> humpaxx Heresiarch I had to redo the dracut image
16:49 < corn266> aaaaaaaaaaaaand it still failed
16:49 <@mistiry> arent* netsplits
16:50 < dragonfleas> lmao they rejoin because of clients
16:50 < dragonfleas> cryptic1, just kicc all those afk bois
16:50 < Trapdoor> maybe dragonfleas
16:50 < Trapdoor> maybe not
16:50 < ebol4> add a bot that kicks people who haven't spoken in the last 60 seconds
16:50 < ebol4> every 60 seconds
16:50 < dragonfleas> jesus christ
16:50 < dragonfleas> that would be a shitshow
16:50 < ebol4> only active participants allowed
16:50 < Trapdoor> maybe they're rejoining because the server came back and reconnected to the hub
16:50 < dragonfleas> there would be no more "back to work"
16:51 < ebol4> this is your job now
16:51 < ebol4> someone op me
16:51 < Trapdoor> anyone know if dns caches round robin results?
16:51 <@mistiry> lol
16:51 <@killdash9> shit, I did that wrong, didn't I?
16:51 < dragonfleas> lmao
16:51 < ebol4> it is i
16:51 < ebol4> your new op
16:52 < dragonfleas> killdash9, will you op (kick) me
16:52 < Trapdoor> if an irc leaf goes down, and a client is connected to say irc.freenode.net which (should be) is round robin and the server goes down
16:52 < Trapdoor> will the client try another entry? are they even cached or is just one of them cached?
16:52 < dragonfleas> i have 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 mods abusing in the irc
16:52 < Trapdoor> does the client even know the domain resolves to multiple ips?
16:53 < ebol4> Trapdoor: afaik a dns server has no way of knowing that it got a round robin result
16:53 < ebol4> it just got an A record or something
16:53 < ebol4> errrr dns client i guess
16:53 < ebol4> not server
16:53 < Casteil> I really hope nvidia doesn't take advantage of the cryptocurrency bullshit to bump MSRP for graphics cards this coming refresh
16:53 < Trapdoor> Yea, it gets a bunch of A records ebol4
16:53 < Casteil> 1070 MSRP being $380 is already pretty high :\
16:53 < Trapdoor> irc.freenode.net resolves to 8 ip addresses for me
16:53 < dragonfleas> is it normal for backup application to cause SQL server cpu usage to start hitting 90-95%?
16:53 < ebol4> oh that kind of round robin
16:53 < ebol4> i was thinking like a load balancer
16:54 < Trapdoor> idk if it's geodb based
16:54 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: it can, depending on query traffic.
16:54 < Trapdoor> yea there's nothing in dns about load balancing, that's up the servers
16:54 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: and depending on the backup app.
16:54 < dragonfleas> yeah i only get 7 ip addresses Trapdoor
16:54 < ebol4> the sql server probably wants to finish the backup as quickly as possible
16:54 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, it's a granular backup, and it backups SQL as well
16:55 < dragonfleas> alright i'll brb, i need to make a quiktrip run to get some coffee and yums
16:55 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: "granular backup" means nothing. What app?
16:55 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, i don't want to tell you what app...
16:55 < Heresiarch> k
16:55 < Trapdoor> OH MAN
16:55 < dragonfleas> it's...backup exec...
16:55 < Trapdoor> MY ORACLE SUPPORT SERVICES RENEWAL IS UP!
16:55 < Heresiarch> ...
16:56 < dragonfleas> end of fiscal year for us is in july, i'll be requesting veeam immediately
16:56 < dragonfleas> for now this is what i have to work with
16:56 < humpaxx> corn266: dracut image?
16:56 < dragonfleas> surprisingly enough test restores and backups have been stable
16:56 < Trapdoor> I get to tell Oracle to fuck off
16:56 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: regardless - BE probably has to have the DB flush any existing writes to get the databases to consistent state (and lock them while it copies the files). So it's not unusual to see a lot of CPU in that situation.
16:57 <+abakedapplepie> 1070 $380 msrp? wat
16:57 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, if that's the case, how is the DB accessible during backup?
16:57 < ebol4> sounds about right, i paid like $340 for my 970 when those were new
16:57 <+abakedapplepie> i paid $380 after tax for a 1060-6gb
16:57 <+abakedapplepie> and that was msrp
16:57 < ebol4> jesus
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> might have even been on sale
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> it was right before the crypto bump
16:58 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: checkpointing, probably. Once a given DB is checkpointed, the files can be copied off somewhere and restored as of the backup time. Also possible that BE is copying off a subset of transaction logs.
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> the cheapest 1070 came out to like 490 after tax
16:58 < Trapdoor> Oh man
16:59 < Trapdoor> "We have phased out services requiring Oracle and we will not need this."
16:59 <+abakedapplepie> oh i bet that feels glorious to say
16:59 < Trapdoor> so good man, you have no idea
16:59 < Trapdoor> fuck oracle
17:00 < Trapdoor> I've already told Oracle once, now I get to tell them again
17:00 < Trapdoor> Last time they called to discuss whether we had any services that could "benefit from using Oracle"
17:01 < Heresiarch> "Sure, we're moving everything to MySQL! Oh, wait. Did I say MySQL? I meant MariaDB."
17:01 < pcspkr> Trapdoor: "our toilets"
17:01 < Trapdoor> Oh no we're using postgresql
17:01 < starbomba> "oh no, we suck again!"
17:02 < pcspkr> oracle branded toilet paper so you can wipe your ass on oracle
17:02 < Trapdoor> Is there any reason I shouldn't be using PostgreSQL?
17:02 < estranger> god I love when people leave oracle even when its not to me \o/
17:03 < Heresiarch> Trapdoor: nope. Unless you want to get exotic with something like citus/cockroachdb.
17:03 < pcspkr> Trapdoor: where's your support contract
17:03 < Trapdoor> Used to be with Sysco, not anymore
17:03 < ebol4> replication and high availibility is easier to set up in mysql imo
17:03 < estranger> does cockrock do joins yet?
17:04 < estranger> HA
17:04 < estranger> cockroach
17:04 < Trapdoor> yea but I'm trying to tell Oracle to fuck off
17:04 < ebol4> cockrocks
17:04 < ebol4> rocks for your cock
17:06 < Trapdoor> I can't wait for the oracle guy to come back with some shitty formalities in the contract we're breaching so I can tell them to fuck off again
17:06 < dragonfleas> there's a company named sysco?
17:06 < dragonfleas> wow
17:06 < Trapdoor> Norwegian company, yea
17:06 < dragonfleas> lmao
17:06 < Heresiarch> yup. If you've eaten at a restaurant, chances are you've been eating their product.
17:07 <+abakedapplepie> Trapdoor: just started using postgres, love it.
17:07 < dragonfleas> "CiScO iS cOpYrIgHt"
17:07 < Trapdoor> When the switchboard called they said it was from "cisco" and I believed them
17:07 <+abakedapplepie> the plpgsql code interface, the built in functions, the performance
17:07 < Trapdoor> "Hi we're from Sysco and Oracle says you don't have an active license?"
17:07 < Trapdoor> motherfucker
17:07 <+abakedapplepie> but its not a direct replacement for mysql/mariadb
17:07 < Trapdoor> They wanted ~$150,000 a year in licensing
17:07 <+abakedapplepie> migrated my whole internal web app to postgres over the past month or two
17:08 < Trapdoor> All because of Oracle's bullshit core licensing, not just "how many cores can the VM use at any single time" but "how many cores are available to it, at all?"
17:09 < Trapdoor> Even if you disable vmotion and limit the vm to one single dual-core server you won't get out of paying for every core it can use
17:09 < YetiFiasco> I need some troubleshooting case studies for doing an interview
17:09 < YetiFiasco> anyone got anything or a link to anything I could use?
17:09 < Zrane> YetiFiasco, I just use real world stuff that we've run into.
17:09 <+abakedapplepie> go read incident reports
17:09 < YetiFiasco> I need something a bit more dumb dumb basic
17:09 < Trapdoor> So let's take my 3 VM hosts with dual 12-core cpus each for a total of 72 cores including hyperthreading makes 144 cores
17:09 < YetiFiasco> This is for 1st line
17:09 < Gregabit> We're using Oracle EBS. They're bill is 16 times higher than expected... :(
17:10 < Trapdoor> Gregabit, ask them about their "Named User License" plan
17:10 < Heresiarch> YetiFiasco: you're walking in the desert. You see a tortoise on it's back, but you don't help flip it over. Why are you not helping?
17:10 < YetiFiasco> _rgb__: rip your wallet
17:10 <+abakedapplepie> oracle should die
17:10 < YetiFiasco> Heresiarch: hahaha
17:10 < Gregabit> @Trapdoor I'll go ask an Oracley person now
17:10 < YetiFiasco> Trapdoor: rip your wallet
17:10 < estranger> Trapdoor, Oracle licensing is a nightmare.. god speed
17:10 < Trapdoor> Oh I've no need for speed
17:10 < estranger> just god
17:11 < Trapdoor> fuck him too
17:11 < estranger> lol
17:11 < Trapdoor> Gregabit, instead of paying $150,000 we ended up paying $1,000 a year
17:11 < Heresiarch> the sad part is, Oracle DB is still a pretty decent product (and at least used to have excellent support). It's just the licensing/costs that are horrific.
17:11 < Trapdoor> Yea, after days of arguing with this fucking guy he tells me there's "an alternative" licensing scheme
17:11 < Trapdoor> ~$45 per user per year
17:12 < estranger> Oracle is everywhere++ too, even if people are replacing it, it's still super embedded
17:12 < Gregabit> @Trapdoor our bill is $3 million, and we expected 250k
17:12 < dragonfleas> .seen McDonaldsWiFi
17:12 <+layer-eight> McDonaldsWiFi spoke in #reddit-sysadmin 15 hours 14 minutes 15 seconds ago. Message: JollyRgrs: Are you back in Freelind?
17:12 < dragonfleas> PUBG got a new map
17:12 < Trapdoor> So at the $150,000 quote they gave us, we would have to have 3333.34 users before break even
17:13 < Gregabit> @Trapdoor wow... that's less than 1% of cost.
17:13 < Trapdoor> We had 15 users
17:13 < YetiFiasco> hahahahahah
17:13 < estranger> 15 users @ $150k/yr?
17:13 < Trapdoor> I'm not sure how their named user licenses work in all cases, I just know that for us we ended up paying 1/150th of what they wanted us to pay
17:13 < estranger> thats nuts
17:13 < Trapdoor> estranger, that's what the guy expected us to pay
17:13 < Trapdoor> For our hour registration system
17:13 < Trapdoor> For our hour registration system
17:14 < Gregabit> Trapdoor: are you using EBS or just the DB?
17:14 < Trapdoor> Just the DB
17:14 < YetiFiasco> Oh is this the thing where you have to licence your ENTIRE VM INFRASTRUCUTRE because Oracle could maybe possibly be used on all cores at once?
17:14 < Trapdoor> "Oracle Database Standard Edition One"
17:14 < Trapdoor> YetiFiasco, yea exactly
17:14  * YetiFiasco vomits
17:14 < Trapdoor> My VM Infra is 144 cores
17:14 < estranger> at least its not goldengate
17:14 < Trapdoor> They fucking guy had the audacity to suggest I set up a second VM cluster just for Oracle
17:14 < YetiFiasco> Microsoft tried that with SQL with us and we laughed at them
17:14 < estranger> HEH I love that license the whole infrastructure thing... so glad we dont
17:14 < Heresiarch> estranger: haters gonna hate. GG is still vastly better than dealing with streams.
17:14 < YetiFiasco> they wanted £270,000
17:15 < Gregabit> Trapdoor: Another local company is using OVM for their oracle stuff, so they can use "hard partitioning" and save on licensing
17:15 < estranger> GG is trash, streaming across DCs (ie kafka/mirror maker) is also trash currently
17:15 < estranger> its not an easy situation
17:15 < Trapdoor> The insane part of the whole ordeal is that the guy suggested I set up a second VM cluster just for the Oracle DB that we used for our HR software
17:15 < YetiFiasco> haha
17:15 < Trapdoor> That was it, that was the only thing we used oracle for
17:16 < YetiFiasco> just payroll ect?
17:16 < YetiFiasco> Thats the shittiest reason to use Oracle ever
17:16 < Trapdoor> Yes, just payroll and hour registration
17:16 < Gregabit> Oracle has us by the balls. We're doing shipping and financials.
17:16 < Heresiarch> estranger: for a very non-trivial problem, GG is a pretty decent solution.
17:16 < YetiFiasco> Gregabit: rip your balls
17:16 < Gregabit> indeed YetiFiasco
17:17 < Gregabit> well... the companies balls. I can take my balls and go home
17:17 < Trapdoor> YetiFiasco, the entire reason we ditched the system is because they couldn't migrate our existing data to a new oracle server
17:17 < starbomba> s/Oracle/any database
17:17 <+layer-eight> Gregabit meant: "any database has us by the balls. We're doing shipping and financials."
17:17 < Trapdoor> I shit you not
17:17 < estranger> lower volume and close in physical proximity it can be OK.. but its still like a million bucks a pop aint it?
17:17 < YetiFiasco> What.
17:17 < Trapdoor> Yea, a consultant at the company developing and maintaining the HR system told me they can't migrate old data
17:18 < Trapdoor> So... we're supposed to start fresh?
17:18 < Trapdoor> Everyone fills in their hours for the last 10 years?
17:18 < YetiFiasco> they can
17:18 < estranger> this is why you have a platform/api layer in front of your DB.. so you can swap out your data layer and not effect your apps
17:18 < Heresiarch> estranger: GG can be spun up to pretty high volume - and it's more limited by throughput than distance. As with any Oracle product, the licensing is horrific.
17:18 < YetiFiasco> they're just lazy/shit
17:18 < Trapdoor> Of course they can YetiFiasco, they are lazy and shit
17:18 < Gregabit> That's silly Trapdoor... If they can export a csv, then someone can import that into a different system. Yeah, you'll lose data, but some migration is possible.
17:18 < Trapdoor> OH SHIT I totally forgot
17:18 < Trapdoor> https://i.imgur.com/XF33Xlr.png this is their install dialog
17:18 < Trapdoor> Yup, that's how you install their piece of shit software
17:18 < YetiFiasco> exporting to CSV costs extra in Oracle
17:19 < estranger> Heresiarch, well you have fun with it, im happy to replace it when people get tired of dealing with the old ways :P
17:19 < Trapdoor> Every single one of those options have between 6 and 13 new steps to go through
17:19 < Gregabit> $10 per CSV row. $10 per CSV collumn?
17:19 < Gregabit> RIP Trapdoor
17:19 < Trapdoor> At one point the install dialog goes "download this file from our ftp server and put it in the folder"
17:20 < Heresiarch> estranger: heh. You and I are going to butt heads on trad RDBMS vs big data hotness for the foreseeable future. Still worth having the debate. ^_^
17:20 < Trapdoor> Ok.. I would download the file from the FTP server but you never told me the address
17:20 < YetiFiasco> Yes they did
17:20 < Gencade> Happy tuesday
17:20 < YetiFiasco> "the server"
17:20 < YetiFiasco> Right there
17:20 < Trapdoor> Emailed the consultant, "oh yeah that ftp server hasn't been up for years"
17:20 < Gregabit> lol
17:20 < Gregabit> http://the.server
17:20 < Trapdoor> you fucking what
17:20 < YetiFiasco> This provider sounds shit
17:20 < estranger> Heresiarch, we both have our use cases :) we're *NOT* an oracle replacement but we do replace oracle a lot
17:20 < Trapdoor> YetiFiasco, named and shame
17:20 < Trapdoor> name and shame*
17:20 < YetiFiasco> your provider
17:20 < Trapdoor> Don't deal with MintraGroup, ever
17:21 < Heresiarch> estranger: oh, I fully hope that they're dying. SPARC is on life support at best, and Ellison should have to get a real job. Dun't mean I can't appreciate the good parts of the DB.
17:21 < Gregabit> Mintra Group - Unlocking the Power of Competence
17:21  * Casteil grumbles
17:22 < dragonfleas> does redbull work for you guys?
17:22 < Trapdoor> no but cocaine does a good job
17:22 < dragonfleas> ...
17:22 < estranger> Heresiarch, guess you could replace "Oracle" with "Enterprise RDBMS" in my statement
17:22 < estranger> I enjoy shutting down DB2 as well =)
17:22 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: i drink redbull in place of a soda.
17:22 < Gregabit> Oh no.... We have 100+ DB2 DBs...
17:22 < Trapdoor> aight I'm out, peace
17:22 < JFDkthx> bai
17:22 < Trapdoor> back in 18 hours
17:22 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, for some reason redbull doesn't give me energy
17:22 < Trapdoor> wait, 16
17:22 < Trapdoor> Back in 16 hours for a new round of job
17:23 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: is it supposed to?
17:23 < JFDkthx> other than calories what is it
17:23 < JFDkthx> caffiene
17:23 < JFDkthx> and taurine
17:23 < Heresiarch> estranger: heh. "Enterprise" RDBMS is going the way of "Enterprise" UNIX. It'll either go to you guys, or FOSS (with some folk going MSSQL 'cuz they just can't get rid of the taste).
17:23 < JFDkthx> which is just supposed to be a focus drug
17:23 < Trapdoor> dragonfleas, you need to eat for energy drinks to have an effect
17:23 < Trapdoor> caffeine and taurine just lets you burn energy more rapidly
17:24 < estranger> ohyeah mssql is another fun one to get rid of
17:24 < estranger> i dont think rdbms is going away
17:24 < Trapdoor> not "just" but you get the gist
17:24 < Casteil> trying to shore up for a production deployment but I keep getting side-tracked by requests/user error issues
17:24 < Gregabit> Well, what's a good replacement for DB2? I was thinking about using the AWS conversion service to go DB2 -> MySQL
17:24 < Gencade> Monster or Red Bull guys
17:24 < Trapdoor> cocaine
17:24 < Gencade> ...
17:24 < Gregabit> coffee
17:24 < Trapdoor> coffee
17:24 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: that would work, or postgres.
17:24 < Gencade> Coffee tastes like ground ass
17:25 < Trapdoor> Gencade, life is ground ass
17:25 < Trapdoor> get used to it
17:25 < estranger> Gregabit, "it depends" .. what is your current pain w/ db2?  price/ibm? something feature wise?
17:25 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: the latter if you have any pl/sql-type stuff.
17:26 < Gregabit> estranger: Heresiarch we have 300 stored procedures. The DB2 rub is that is doesn't scale, and you have to write dumb queries for larger data sets.
17:26 < Gregabit> and it pisses off the developers
17:26 < Gregabit> but when I started talking about migration, the DB2 DBA put me on the shit list.
17:27 < Gregabit> so it'll be tough politically
17:27 < DrGibby|> Gencade: real talk, most coffee is. Like beer, its an acquired taste. However, like beer, there are a few out there that are good tasting to everyone.
17:27 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: ...Oracle EBS...with DB2?
17:27 < Gencade> DrGibby|, you're always so incitful
17:27 < Gencade> I hope you die in a fire
17:27 < DrGibby|> If you're up for paying $25 per pound of the good shit, its delicious
17:27 < DrGibby|> Gencade: <3
17:27 < Gregabit> oh sorry. We're not touching EBS... We offer a SaaS that runs on a ton of DB2 VMs
17:28 < Gencade> DrGibby|, <3
17:28 < estranger> is the dumb queries from denormalizing because your data is too large?
17:28 < Heresiarch> snerk
17:28 < dragonfleas> in ADSS I'm adding a new DC in my main HQ, we have 1 other office with a DC, should I replicate both DC's at HQ over to the sister site DC or only one,
17:28 < Gregabit> @Heresiarch Java app on JBoss talking to DB2 VMs.
17:29 < estranger> oi jboss
17:29 < estranger> good times
17:29 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: depending on why, you're gonna have a larger problem of architecture when you try to get rid of DB2.
17:30 < Gregabit> Yeah... and I'm not great with DBs.
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> i wish i could get $25/lb coffee around here
17:30 < DrGibby|> abakedapplepie: I got u fam gimme a min
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> my choices are tims, starbucks, biggby, and mcdonalds
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> i buy private selection yirgacheffe at kroger
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> its $6/lb
17:30 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: meanwhile, you're also likely to have your DB2 admin throwing a tantrum about how Postgres just isn't gonna cut it to replace his/her baby.
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> and its actually tasty
17:30 < DrGibby|> abakedapplepie: http://www.fireislandcoffee.net/online-store1.html
17:30 < DrGibby|> please buy their shit
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> not at all like good yirgacheffe
17:30 < DrGibby|> its so fucking good
17:30 <+abakedapplepie> but generically good coffee
17:31 < dragonfleas> anybody help
17:31 < dragonfleas> help pls
17:31 <+abakedapplepie> kona? meh
17:31 < DrGibby|> lolwot
17:31 <+abakedapplepie> :P
17:31 < estranger> how much data we talkin?
17:31 < DrGibby|> this is the best coffee I've ever fucking had
17:31 < Gregabit> Heresiarch: They're already doing that, and talking about some crazy DB2 that uses higher licensing then what we are on.
17:32 <+abakedapplepie> dr: heitage sounds interesting
17:32 < Gregabit> I'm not equiped to troubleshoot MySQL or Postgres. I'm guessing we'll use DB2 for another 10 years.
17:32 <+abakedapplepie> but i strongly prefer bright acidic fruity cups
17:32 <+abakedapplepie> citrus, berry, floral
17:32 < dragonfleas> www.helpdragonfleaswithactivedirectory.com
17:32 <+abakedapplepie> those are my jam
17:33 < Gregabit> Thx Heresiarch and estranger!
17:33 < estranger> enjoy =)
17:33 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: if you want to go full BOFH, you could mention sharding capability and potential performance benefits to the devs (and cost savings to managers).
17:33 < estranger> yeah the devs will love sharding :D
17:34 < Gregabit> brb Heresiarch googling furiously
17:34  * Gregabit knowledge is so limited that can't tell if this is a joke or not
17:34 < dragonfleas> i just disabled a network adapter while i was connected to the server...................
17:34 <+giant_it_burrit> dragonfleas: 404
17:34 <+abakedapplepie> dragonfleas: youre fired
17:35 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: postgres is free...unless you want support. And even then, it's cheaper than DB2. Look up citusdb for shard-capable postgres. Probably still cheaper than DB2.
17:35 <+abakedapplepie> one time i accidentally created a private switch instead of a public switch on a hyper-v machine with only 1 nic, remotely
17:35 < Gregabit> oooo thank you!
17:35 <+abakedapplepie> lost all my VMs and my hypervisor
17:35 <+abakedapplepie> lol
17:36 < estranger> im still curious how much data are we talkin about?
17:36 < alazare619> hyper-v confuses me
17:36 < alazare619> how are you suppose to setup a hyper-v cluster
17:36 < alazare619> without a gui (hyper-v core)
17:36 <+abakedapplepie> what do you mean
17:36 < alazare619> it requires a DC
17:36 <+abakedapplepie> RSAT
17:36 < Gregabit> @estranger largest is ~700GB. A bunch are around 100GB.
17:36 < alazare619> it wont let you connect without a domain account
17:36 <+abakedapplepie> you should be using RSAT or powershell for all the things anyway
17:36 < voice> carefully, alazare619
17:36 < alazare619> so do you setup a DC physical standup hyper-v core
17:36 < estranger> +1 postgres
17:36 <+abakedapplepie> alazare619: its more work, but no you dont need a dc
17:37 < alazare619> connect it to domain then setup virtual dc and take down physical?
17:37 <+abakedapplepie> all our hyper-v are on workgroup
17:37 <+abakedapplepie> with the VMs on domain
17:37 < alazare619> what?
17:37 < alazare619> how?
17:37 < alazare619> how do you manage hyper-v in a workgroup?
17:37 <+abakedapplepie> we dont do clustering though, im just saying, you can connect to hyper v with rsat
17:37 <+abakedapplepie> i have a script that does the heavy lifting somewhere, but there are many many many technet how tos
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> basically you need to add hosts file, trusted hosts, and then authenticate or set up a certificate trust
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> ive done hyper-v replications from workgroup to workgroup too
17:38 < alazare619> apparently esxi does not like my host at home
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> and workgroup to domain
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> i have scripts for those as well
17:38 < alazare619> debating hyper-v now that the microsoft huwaii is a thing
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> mishmash of cmd and powershell tho
17:39 <+abakedapplepie> 2016 can do it in pure powershell
17:39 <+abakedapplepie> 2012 doesnt have built in cert tools in powershell
17:40 < estranger> Heresiarch, you'd prob have a nice career if you come join the darkside ;)
17:41 < Heresiarch> estranger: ...don't tempt me, Frodo...
17:41 < estranger> temptation sent
17:42 < estranger> where 1million ops/sec @ 5ms is still *yawn*
17:43 < Heresiarch> estranger: horizontal scaling is cheating. :p
17:43 < Heresiarch> estranger: so is eventual consistency.
17:43 < estranger> tell that to our growing list of 7+ year 100% uptime customers
17:44 < estranger> when you need performance and availability, you can sacrafice consistency ... CAP.  we have tunable consistency at the operation level.. so if you NEED C you can still get it, but when you look at things.. typically you dont really even need C
17:44 < Heresiarch> brb, lunch
17:44 < estranger> esp when C is in ms or ns
17:45 < estranger> dealing with consistency and query based data modeling is what blows everyone's minds at first coming from rdbms
17:46 < alazare619> woah
17:46 < alazare619> can server core 2018 have honolulu installed on it?
17:46 < alazare619> in wich case id have a webui to hyper-v?
17:47 < estranger> whats honolulu?
17:47 < ebol4> sons of guns at bamco are charging $40 for the dark souls re-release
17:48 < Gregabit> duuuude, citusdb sounds good to me. We do a single dataload daily, so eventual consistency would be a-okay to us.
17:48 < alazare619> estranger: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/manage/honolulu/honolulu-faq
17:48 < Gregabit> er... actually I don't think we need a relational DB at all
17:48 < Gregabit> since we just do that single data load
17:49 < estranger> what's your read patterns?
17:49 < estranger> are they known queries or more adhoc
17:49 < Gregabit> Customers are just building reports all the time
17:49 < Gregabit> all known queries
17:49 < Gregabit> nothing adhoc as far as I can tell
17:50 < Gregabit> My brother is a dev on the project, so I'll have to pump him for more info
17:51 < estranger> yeah lots of options.. might want to stick relational since that's what your devs know, and not sure the benefits of going outside of that are warranted
17:51 < Gregabit> Agree
17:52 < estranger> i mean.. would be sweat to build a realtime architecture and get rid of that batch load so your reports are actually meaningful to the NOW not the yesterday
17:52 < estranger> but that's another story all together :P
17:52 < dragonfleas> can i send you guys my AD replication diagram and can you tell me if i looks correct
17:53 < estranger> hell you could prob pre-calculate 90% of your reports at write time w/ a simple stream.. so your reports would be superfast
17:54 < dragonfleas> https://imgur.com/a/cfSt2
17:55 < ihre> wan comes from the clouds?
17:55 < ihre> TIL
17:55 < dragonfleas> lmao
17:55 < dragonfleas> it's just a diagram
17:55 < Gregabit> estranger: I'm googling those DB words you are using
17:55 < dragonfleas> does that replication look correct?
17:56 < estranger> Gregabit, lol :)
17:56 < ihre> forecast: lots of WAN clouds, light rain ;_;
17:56 < dragonfleas> DC3 to/from DC1 and DC1/DC3 to/from DC2
17:56 < alazare619> estranger:  heres a pic of project honolulu think webmin but for windows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Honolulu
17:56 < alazare619> you can do anything server manager can do and then some...
17:56 < dragonfleas> or do you dedicate one DC at each site to handle site-to-site replication?
17:57 < ihre> ooh go hide in a closet somewhere pls, dont ever recommend webmin or webmin-like projects
17:57 < gnupluslinux> you guys us anything to blank your disks or is it still just dd if=/dev/zero of=target
17:57 < estranger> alazare619, cool! thats new since i dealt w/ server
17:57 < gnupluslinux> s/us/use
17:57 <+layer-eight> gnupluslinux meant: "you guys use anything to blank your disks or is it still juset dd if=/dev/zero of=target"
17:57 < Gregabit> estranger: I'm going to start simple and just get the DB converted to Postgres. then work with my Dev buddy test.
17:58 < Gregabit> to test
17:58 < estranger> where do you get your batch load from?
17:58 < Gregabit> it's FTPed to us everyday
17:58 < estranger> ahh gotcha
17:59 < Gregabit> I'm sort of excited about this now
18:00 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: what context?
18:01 <@mistiry> gnupluslinux: we have a big degausser to wipe drives
18:01 < estranger> kafka+spark+db
18:01 < Heresiarch> estranger: poor dude's trying to just get better than what he's got. He dun't need to be pitching a moonshot conversion project...
18:02 < estranger> hey I +1'd postgres
18:02 < estranger> let the man dream
18:02 < Heresiarch> fair enough. :)
18:03 < estranger> most people dont even know about data streaming.. good to plan for your future state
18:04 < Gregabit> Those bastards at Amazon don't support converting DB2 DBs... https://docs.aws.amazon.com/dms/latest/userguide/CHAP_Source.html
18:04 < dragonfleas> >:(
18:06 < sideup66> Hold onto your butts
18:07 < sideup66> Win 10 is updating to spring creators
18:11 < asimon> Oh please no
18:11 < asimon> I just finished dealing with the update to the Fall creators
18:12 < ihre> felda: is dnscrypt-proxy available in pfsense repos?
18:12 < dragonfleas> sideup66, on business channel?
18:13 < felda> ihre no
18:13 < felda> you could probably install it yourself though
18:13 < sideup66> asimon: y u no run ltsb
18:13 < ihre> That is exactly what I'm trying to avoid ;p
18:13 < sideup66> Why feature
18:14 < felda> well you haven't so have fun
18:14 < sideup66> And dragonfleas no idea
18:14 < asimon> sideup66: I didn't know this was a thing but I love the idea of it
18:15 < ihre> Like with dnsproxy on ERL, no package for mips64, would have to compile it in a separate VM ;_;
18:15 < sideup66> Look it up
18:15 < sideup66> Don't use feature in an office...just don't.
18:15 < sideup66> 5 year gauranteed support
18:16 < asimon> From the Spring Creator's changelog: "A new privacy settings page will present itself during device setup."
18:17 < asimon> Glad to know they're presenting a page for us to feel good about so they can intentionally disregard whatever privacy settings you put
18:19 < sideup66> Lol
18:39 < Casteil> "Fast forward to early this afternoon — exactly eight months to the day after Houlihan first reported the problem — and data shared by Houlihan indicated the site was still leaking customer records in plain text"
18:39 < Casteil> rofl, that's terrible
18:40 < Casteil> "oh we're only leaking emails, names and last 4... it's fine"
18:41 < Heresiarch> shoulda remembered the 5 D's. Duck, deflect, dip, distract, and duck.
18:41 < corn266> any idea when ubuntu 18.04 will get released?
18:42 < dragonfleas> corn266, i think it's planned for later this year
18:42 < dragonfleas> according to tekbs.net
18:43 < corn266> I just found 26th April: Stable Ubuntu 18.04 LTS release
18:43 <@mistiry> .04 releases are in april
18:44 <@mistiry> if they still do that method of naming at least... 18.04 = 2018 April
18:45 < corn266> ayyyy they finally migrated away from apt-get
18:45 < estranger> good lord we have a new "5D"s in our marketing
18:45 < estranger> makes me want to vomit a little
18:45 < The_Dv8or> sup
18:49 < JFDkthx> estranger: dodge duck dip dive and dodge?
18:50 < [J][F][D]> hehe
18:52 < estranger> [J][F][D], sadly i cant even remember
18:52 < estranger> 5 dimensions of business or something
18:54 < BonKurei> I think its 5 dimensions of separation
18:54 < [J][F][D]> to hitler?
18:54 < BonKurei> KEK
18:54 < estranger> RIP my fam
18:55 < estranger> did you know my full name is Estranger Bignose McJewyface?
18:56 < ihre> estranger: didnt you lock your pc or something ? :3
18:56 < estranger> lol no this is the real me
18:56 < BonKurei> What happened to the grandwizard?
18:56 < estranger> my dog isnt able to type, so im safe
18:57 < BonKurei> My cat can type but I blocked him
18:57 < tapoxi> estranger: is one of those 5 ds data
18:58 < estranger> i dont think it is
18:58 < tapoxi> wow
18:58 < tapoxi> they fucked up
18:58 < estranger> no.. see, we have CARDS to talk about your data needs and requirements.. the 5Ds is about the business needs that CARDS can fix
18:58 < tapoxi> yo any of you fuckers at PAX EAST
18:59 < BonKurei> I wish!
18:59 < ihre> 1st d is the ceo, 2nd is the cto, then the cio, and 2 more Dicks
18:59 < Casteil> “Panera takes data security very seriously,"  ... so seriously that a major vulnerability exposing personal details of millions of customers went ignored for 8 months
18:59 < tapoxi> what happened with pantera
18:59 < BonKurei> Every company that's breached usually doesnt tell customers about it for months
19:00 < Stoob> I mean why would they
19:00 < Stoob> whatreugonna do, sue em?
19:00 < estranger> tapoxi, haha ok.. so the 5Ds dont even start w/ D
19:00 < BonKurei> And before they even detect it, most cases are the initial breach happened months even years ago
19:00 < Casteil> BonKurei: They don't typically disclose it immediately, but they will usually try to fix it
19:00 < Casteil> this went acknowledged but unfixed for 8 months before someone finally got sick enough and just published the story
19:03 < tapoxi> estranger: cassanDra, total cost of owDnership, analytics, cql, dbusiness
19:03 < estranger> lol
19:04 < estranger> its just the "5Dimensions" and is dumb.  CARDS is actually pretty clever though.  Contextual, Available, Responsive, Distributed, Scalable
19:04 < estranger> if you got CARDS requirements, you need us
19:04 < technonerd> Gpdr has 72 hour notice on breaches
19:05 < estranger> im starting to like GDPR
19:05 < estranger> :o
19:05 < tapoxi> cdpr is smart
19:05 < tapoxi> *gdpr
19:05 < tapoxi> the whole 'delete my shit' is going to be a hassle though
19:05 < estranger> plus its hard for global companies to comply with, and we make it easier
19:05 < estranger> ^^ +1
19:06 < Stoob> its a hassle that should've been a solved problem ages ago :p
19:06 < estranger> so I like gdpr for creedy reasons
19:06 < estranger> Stoob, gets harder to solve as data sets get bigger and more complex
19:06 < Stoob> It does, but if it were a design constraint from the beginning it'd be a lot less of a hassle than a bolt-on after the fact in most cases
19:07 < estranger> Stoob, and now with microservices your data is in 100 different places =)
19:07 < Heresiarch> it's still a good idea. Compliance directives that require some level of awareness of data maintenance (such as being able to delete historical data) are not a bad thing.
19:07 < Stoob> estranger: each of which should have a central management capability of removing data for compliance purposes ;)
19:08 < estranger> sounds easy on paper doesnt it?
19:09 < estranger> so you now have this central system to manage all your data that needs to scale to the sum of all your other data
19:09 < estranger> oh, and germany has extra laws to deal with so make sure you take that into account
19:09 < BonKurei> My company its trying to become gdpr compliant
19:09 < BonKurei> is*
19:10 < ihre> ~7wks to go
19:10 < Heresiarch> still not a bad thing. Architects often have a bad habit of dealing with scale by throwing aggregate complexity at it.
19:10 < ihre> gl :D
19:10 <+giant_it_burrit> good luck bby
19:10 < BonKurei> !nominate +giant_it_burrit
19:18 < Stoob> estranger: I'm just sayin it should be something considered when systems are built, and all too often it gets overlooked (of course, that's the case with so many things)
19:21 < dragonfleas> who here has actually used microsoft bob
19:22 < Heresiarch> s/bob/cortana/g
19:22 < estranger> Heresiarch, I call those Wedding Cake Architectures... layers upon layers
19:22 <+layer-eight> dragonfleas meant: "who here has actually used microsoft cortana"
19:23 < estranger> Stoob, even harder at an enterprise level when you have 100s or 1000s of teams working independently of each other
19:24 < Heresiarch> estranger: makes sense. Still say that GDPR (or something like it) is good to keep architects honest. Too many layers in a cake is no bueno.
19:24 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, have you used bob
19:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> dragonfleas: hi
19:24 < estranger> Heresiarch, we agree! \o/
19:24 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: no, but she's installed pretty much everywhere.
19:24 < dragonfleas> McDonaldsWiFi, new pubg map came out today
19:24 < estranger> mark the calendar, boys
19:24 < Heresiarch> estranger: rofl
19:25 < [J][F][D]> pubg is poop tho
19:25 < [J][F][D]> i watched drake play fortnite and now i'm a changed man
19:25 < BonKurei> pubg is better than fortnite
19:25 < [J][F][D]> McDonaldsWiFi: we had 2 wins yesterday. get marcus to send you the clips
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> nice nick
19:26 < The_Dv8or> I used Microsoft Bob, and I actually liked it
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> fort or PUBG?
19:26 < The_Dv8or> I thought it was a good kids GUI
19:26 < [J][F][D]> thanks
19:26 < [J][F][D]> fort
19:31 < alazare619> anyone here using docker o nwindows?
19:31 < alazare619> im curious how you can map directory on the host to docker container
19:31 < ihre> doesnt that use some layer in between, like a vm?
19:31 < alazare619> it would have to
19:31 < alazare619> thtas why im curious how it would work
19:32 < ihre> so map folder to vm and then on vm to docker ?
19:34 < alazare619> yea i'm not sure if thtas how it actually works
19:34 < alazare619> everything i've read says it just uses native docker command line
19:35 < alazare619> so the "translation vm" should actually do everything without having to map the storage it translates its commands and runs backend stuff on the host some how
19:35 < alazare619> idk
19:36 < tapoxi> alazare619: I run it natively but from my understanding there's that shim vm which can use a number of different hypervisors (like virtualbox)
19:36 < ihre> "Docker for Windows is a native Windows app deeply integrated with Hyper-V virtualization" -> sounds like it just talks to an API
19:37 < tapoxi> alazare619: so it'll have the hypervisor use its host interaction
19:37 < tapoxi> hyper-v makes sense
19:37 < ihre> and the shared folders are configured in the translation between cli and api
19:39 < ihre> i guess you could try some strace variant on windows to see what is happening
19:42 < Heresiarch> onenerdyguy: you around?
19:43 < onenerdyguy> Heresiarch, yep
19:44 < onenerdyguy> sup
19:44 < Heresiarch> have you tried fiddling with the newer versions of include within ansible (e.g. import_task/role, include_task/role) ?
19:44 < dragonfleas> anyone here a portland sysadmin?
19:45 < vinrock> thank god no
19:45 < onenerdyguy> Heresiarch,  a bit, yeah.
19:45 < onenerdyguy> Heresiarch, usually just do an include: and lists the roles, etc.
19:46 < Heresiarch> onenerdyguy: same. Trying to see if I can do a conditional include (dynamic) on a top-level playbook.
19:46 < onenerdyguy> Heresiarch, that could be touchy, but i'd figure if you do it only on a when it should work
19:47 < Heresiarch> onenerdyguy: "should" is a bit of a risky proposition in ansible, esp. with new syntax. XD
19:47 < Heresiarch> figured I'd ask. Thx
19:47 < onenerdyguy> haha yep
19:47 < Rnmkr> Hello everyone, first time here. I was reading on /sysadmin threads for a while. I was intern at some software development company for web developer. But i got lucky and there was an open sys admin job. I was kinda turned into web dev to sys admin. All I'm doing now is deploy the production ready websites into cloud servers and maintaining them. Can i call myself a sys admin? Or sys admin is all about working on local office 
19:48 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: yes.
19:48 < komugi> its a pretty 'wide' area
19:48 < komugi> people asked me to fix their chair
19:48 < komugi> ecause the chair faces the computer
19:48 < komugi> ehrefore it's an IT problem
19:48 < komugi> \o/
19:49 < Gregabit> You can call yourself a DevOps Engineer and ask for a raise.
19:49 < khelpw> My perspective on that is that if they want to pay me sysadmin money to do building maintenance work - I'll take that money.
19:49 < Rnmkr> Ah all reddit threads were about Windows exchange servers etc etc. There wasn't similar case like me :D
19:49 < vinrock> sysadmin just administers systems
19:49 < vinrock> could be any kind of digital electronic system
19:49 < khelpw> Seating systems are systems too :p
19:49 < komugi> standing desk motor shitting out is my issue too
19:49 < komugi> lol
19:49 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: the subreddit is heavily biased in favor of SMB Microsoft/backoffice admins. But that is not nearly all there is to sysadmin.
19:50 < vinrock> ChairOps
19:50 < Rnmkr> Ah yea, I agree.
19:50 < khelpw> It's not a desk. it's an enterprise class electronic business machine organizational and structural system.
19:51 < khelpw> now admin it. dickhead.
19:51 < Gregabit> I read r/linuxadmin too. Not super active though
19:51 < khelpw> with your screwdriver.
19:51 < Gregabit> I take that back, they are active
19:51 < vinrock> wait til' this place is poppin
19:51 < vinrock> its amazeballs
19:52 < Gregabit> Yeah, it's usually cars and powertools and videogames
19:52 < vinrock> dont forget the weed
19:52 < vinrock> 420 blazeit yo
19:54 < Rnmkr> Thing is my company guys build their websites on different technologies. Like nodejs, django, mysql, mongodb, redis etc. Because of this I also needed to learn how to install and configure them and copy paste the website files into servers.. Kinda overwhelmed because of amount of different things to learn everyday.
19:54 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: welcome to the game. :)
19:55 < Gregabit> Rnmkr: Sounds fun and difficult.
19:55 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: check out using a config mgmt tool to help automate and template your deployments.
19:55 < Rnmkr> Yea  my current goal is learn how to build template my common works.
19:56 < Gregabit> Rnmkr: deploying in a cloud or local?
19:56 < Rnmkr> All on DigitalOceans
19:56 < Gregabit> What OS?
19:56 < Gregabit> or different per use?
19:57 < Rnmkr> Maybe I should be learning their API or something idk. Currently working on Ubuntu 16.04LTS.
19:57 < Gregabit> ah
19:57 < Rnmkr> All webs on Ubuntu 16
19:57 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: https://www.amazon.com/Practice-System-Network-Administration-Enterprise/dp/0321919165/
19:58 < Rnmkr> I hadn't much linux distros experience, but I like it very much.
19:58 < Gregabit> There's an ansible digital ocean module. You can have Ansible talk to the API to create/delete droplets.
19:59 < Gregabit> but there's other options. I'm just bias toward ansilbe because we're using it and it is slightly easier imo.
19:59 < dragonfleas> Apparently sysadmin median salary is around 60 thousand in portland oregon
19:59 < dragonfleas> not bad
20:00 < Rnmkr> Gregabit: What's Ansible? is ansible.com?
20:00 < Gregabit> yes
20:00 < Rnmkr> Heresiarch: Thank you for link. Definitely will read.
20:01 < Gregabit> It's like an automation engine. You can write playbooks and execute them to like create/delete linux VMs and say install apache.
20:01 < Gregabit> it lets you send commands to a bunch of linux machines at the same time
20:01 < Gregabit> and there's a free version
20:01 < Heresiarch> ...and then get frustrated because it has rather rigid syntax and coding requirements.
20:02 < Gregabit> that's true. There's also Chef, puppet, saltstack, and probably others.
20:02 < Hatter> where is that reddit article with the guy who made a few good tools, where he's had hidden easter egg links for his new stuff
20:02 < Gregabit> but ansible seems easier to use, but doesn't have some features that others have.
20:04 < Gregabit> Heresiarch: what are you using for automation?
20:04 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: ...ansible. :)
20:04 < Gregabit> lol
20:05 < Gregabit> AWX or Tower?
20:05 < Rnmkr> Noted all of that, I'll checkout them tomorrow at work. I'm thinking about 2 goals atm. 1. Learn to automate things, like run few scripts and bam, all of employees developed websites deployed into DigitalOcean servers. 2. Really need to monitor all server's performance.
20:05 < Heresiarch> Gregabit: admittedly, under a bit of duress at this point. Place I'm at had a few playbooks for deploys, so I figured I'd expand it out. Not the best idea in retrospect.
20:06 < Heresiarch> No Tower/AWX right now. Those do half of what I need, but I already have automation to handle those bits for the time being.
20:06 < Gregabit> ah
20:06 < Rnmkr> How do you monitor your servers health?
20:06 < Gregabit> Zabbix currently.
20:07 < Rnmkr> There are like 30+ servers on DO.
20:07 < [J][F][D]> cryptic1 helped design a record-breaking waterslide — and was just arrested after it decapitated felda
20:07 < Rnmkr> Right now I'm just adding new webs into servers. But have no idea what's going with server performance.
20:08 < Rnmkr> Yea just heard about Zabbix today.
20:08 < Gregabit> https://www.digitalocean.com/products/monitoring/ -- Enable monitoring for free on DigitalOcean. Monitoring is available across all of your Droplets at no additional cost.
20:08 < Gregabit> looks like you can use built in stuff.
20:08 < Gregabit> no idea if it is any good
20:10 < Gregabit> I'd tell you to choose the easiest to impliment, and then move to more complicated only if there's a feature you have to have.
20:10 < [J][F][D]> Heresiarch: the author of that book looks like bobs saget
20:10 < Rnmkr> Nah, this monitoring is shit. It's no better than task manager. I mean by "monitoring" like all servers centered in one web page or something, and then realtime server cpu, ram, io, net load % with graph etc. But i don't know such thing exists :D
20:10 < [J][F][D]> netdata
20:10 < [J][F][D]> https://my-netdata.io/
20:11 < Heresiarch> Rnmkr: check_mk/nagios/zabbix/sensu, with grafana for dashboarding.
20:12 < asimon> Just got back from a fire drill
20:12 < asimon> was hopign to go home for the day
20:13 < [J][F][D]> asimon: fucking construction upstairs has set off the fire alarm 3 times this winter
20:13 < [J][F][D]> i call it a day
20:13 < [J][F][D]> im not waiting outside in 10 degree weather
20:13 < Rnmkr> JFD, thanks for netdata. Is it completely free to use?
20:13 < [J][F][D]> if it lasts longer than 15 minutes we're legally allowed to go home
20:13 < [J][F][D]> Rnmkr: yeh
20:14 < Rnmkr> Heresiarch: Thank you very much for suggestions,
20:15 < [J][F][D]> Heresiarch: you use salt at all?
20:16 < Heresiarch> [J][F][D]: only in cooking. tapoxi is the salt evangelist - if I had my druthers, I'd stick to Puppet.
20:16 < [J][F][D]> we're using puppet right now, but we're looking to roll something out to winders as well.
20:17 < Heresiarch> puppet has pretty good DSC support...
20:17 < [J][F][D]> the problem with puppet is that their windows "repo" is chocolatey
20:17 < Bru-> anyone use an AD sync solution with mobile devices?
20:17 < Bru-> iOS specifically
20:17 < [J][F][D]> which is a foriegn product
20:17 < Heresiarch> [J][F][D]: ...wat?
20:17 < [J][F][D]> the shit that they use to manage 3rd party software
20:18 < [J][F][D]> ansible uses it too
20:18 < mkillebrew> salt 4 lyfe
20:18 < Heresiarch> since when is chocolatey a foreign product?
20:18 < mkillebrew> Every box of our is defined by a or several states only, no outside configs
20:18 < [J][F][D]> isnt it?
20:18 < dragonfleas> the wan clouds are raining on me right now
20:20 < Rnmkr> Thank you very much for quick answers and explanations seniors. I'll be messing with those tools in next few days, I hope I would come back alive. See you everyone.
20:20 < [J][F][D]> Chocolatey Software, Inc.
20:20 < [J][F][D]> Chocolatey Software, Inc.
20:20 < [J][F][D]> oops
20:20 < [J][F][D]> topeka ks
20:21 < [J][F][D]> i guess not
20:21 < [J][F][D]> afk
20:21 < Heresiarch> other thing is, you can run your own private chocolatey repos.
20:23 < [J][F][D]> Heresiarch: it's the whole american products only thing. same reason why the gov forbid kasperspy. i thought chocolatey was located somewhere else than it is.
20:23 < [J][F][D]> im submitting a software request rn for it.
20:24 < vinrock> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/894q5n/i_just_violated_tos_of_our_enterprise_mail/
20:24 < vinrock> oh, symantec
20:24 < Gregabit> https://github.com/orgs/chocolatey/people - Chocolatey is all over the world.
20:24 < Heresiarch> [J][F][D]: there's another Windows-specific CM out there, but it's kind of obscure. Can't remember the name off-hand.
20:25 < gnupluslinux> i hate people
20:25 < gnupluslinux> people use chocolatey?
20:25 < vinrock> it's been gaining steam
20:25 < gnupluslinux> i c wut u did thar
20:26 < gnupluslinux> for real though, people using it? is it still all cli? wouldn't windows store take care of the gooey folk
20:26 <@killdash9> 'chocolatey/people'...I don't think that's what they prefer to be called.
20:26 < Gregabit> killdash9: wow
20:26 < Heresiarch> [J][F][D]: big problem on Windows isn't choco per se - it's that Microsoft did their usual "let's leave it up to the ISVs" solution to software packaging. Which means there's no single well-defined standard.
20:26 < gnupluslinux> oh look the kill command thinking he knows whats best
20:26 < gnupluslinux> just cause he got the -9
20:27 < tapoxi> [J][F][D]: I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
20:27 < gnupluslinux> ISV? independent software vendor?
20:27 < Heresiarch> choco has gotten big because it's easy to use, and they pulled in a bunch of the F/OSS packages early on.
20:27 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: yas.
20:28 < gnupluslinux> is there a reason for choco vs win store?
20:28 < tapoxi> yeah fuck puppet
20:28 < tapoxi> puppet is disgusting garbage
20:28 < gnupluslinux> independent repos or something?
20:28 < [J][F][D]> tapoxi: u using salt at all in winders
20:28 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: easier automation.
20:28 < tapoxi> the only two options for CM are Ansible and Salt
20:28 < [J][F][D]> or just unix and linux
20:29 < tapoxi> [J][F][D]: unix, buddy of mine is using it on windows
20:29 < [J][F][D]> we're looking for a tool for windows CM/package management. they are evaluating tanium
20:30 < [J][F][D]> which from what Hunterkll has said is a complete waste of money
20:30 < Gregabit> Someone that makes lots of money bought Octopus Deploy... So someone's gotta deploy it [J][F][D]
20:30 < Heresiarch> octopus deploy. That's the obscure one.
20:30 < Gregabit> no idea if it is good. That's for windows software deployment
20:31 < tapoxi> salt does a lot of shit and I pretty much got it to do exactly what I wanted it to do (CM and slack bot to control deployments)
20:31 < [J][F][D]> tapoxi: all self taught?
20:31 < gnupluslinux> why in the hell am i having trouble finding powershell ways to install windows store app dafuq
20:31 < tapoxi> I picked up a book called mastering saltstack but yeah, self-taught
20:31 < [J][F][D]> what do you use ansible for?
20:31 < [J][F][D]> or do you.
20:32 < tapoxi> used ansible. salt and ansible are very similar. they're both python logic is written in jinja
20:32 < gnupluslinux> i dont think octopus deploy is obscure...
20:32 < Heresiarch> it is compared to the major CM tools.
20:33 < tapoxi> salt is more extensible and scales better than ansible, but there's more to wrap your head around
20:33 < tapoxi> ansible is the digitalocean to salt's aws
20:34 < gnupluslinux> YAML's space syntax is a pita though
20:34 < tapoxi> oh yeah fuck yaml
20:34 < tapoxi> salt doesnt require yaml fortunately
20:34 < gnupluslinux> i thought it did
20:35 < tapoxi> you can use it, but the renderer system is pluggable
20:35 < gnupluslinux> can recall having to deal with yaml when i fucked with salt
20:35 < tapoxi> I write basic shit in yaml but the complex stuff is all python
20:35 < tapoxi> though you can use json
20:35 < tapoxi> https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/renderers/
20:35 < gnupluslinux> didnt get that far. will take json over yaml any day of the week
20:36 < Gregabit> Is there a community version of saltstack, or do you need to throw down the big bucks?
20:37 < Gregabit> cause we are using ansible AWX at the moment
20:37 < gnupluslinux> https://saltstack.com/salt-open-source/ ?
20:37 < gnupluslinux> gotta pay for their gooey mgmt stuff last i checked
20:37 < gnupluslinux> also when did they start allowing agentles
20:38 < Gregabit> Wowweee. You can get the GUI fun stuff for Ansible AWX, but you are forever stuck on the dev branch.
20:38 < Gregabit> until you pay for Tower
20:39 < ebol4> Wowee
20:39 < Gregabit> indeed
20:39 < ebol4> ansible.... gui...?
20:39 < gnupluslinux> ansible tower
20:39 < ebol4> genuinely never heard of it
20:39 < Gregabit> Yeah, so you can write a playbook and let your business team run limited stuff.
20:39 < gnupluslinux> https://www.ansible.com/products/tower
20:40 < gnupluslinux> i'd be hesitant af to let bsns run anything touching the fucking CM shit
20:40 < Gregabit> Well yeah. Let them create users or reset passwords.
20:40 < gnupluslinux> i wouldn't even agree to that
20:41 < Gregabit> heh
20:41 < gnupluslinux> not unless we talking their own passwords
20:41 < dragonfleas> do NTDS connections automatically generate for a main site if I move FSMO roles to a secondary DC to take down the first DC?
20:41 < dragonfleas> I don't want replication from site to site to fail
20:42 < gnupluslinux> anyone know of any laptops that allow pci passthrough?
20:42 < ebol4> what the heck is ntds
20:42 < alazare619> does 2016 hyper-v (Core) use less resoures then 2016 Server Core w/ Hyper-V installed
20:42 < gnupluslinux> want to pass the USB ports to a vm
20:42 < Gregabit> NT Directory Services I assume
20:43 < dragonfleas> yep
20:43 < dragonfleas> Gregabit, got it
20:43 < ebol4> follow up question, what is FSMO
20:43 < dragonfleas> lmao
20:43 < Gregabit> Flexible Single Master Operations
20:43 < dragonfleas> how do you not know FSMO
20:43 < ebol4> i am not a windows admin
20:43 < dragonfleas> ahhh
20:43 < Gregabit> yay! It's interview questions for Windows people.
20:43 < gnupluslinux> cause ebol4 is bad and he should feel bad
20:44 < gnupluslinux> go eat your pizza ebol4
20:44 < ebol4> god i wish i had some pizza
20:44 < Gregabit> There are 5 roles that are owned by a single domain controller. You have to mess with them once in a blue moon
20:44 < gnupluslinux> and bring me some too
20:44 < dragonfleas> FSMO assigns certain roles to directory controllers to delegate tasks/schema for them to host
20:44 < E-werd> you must have ebola to know de wae
20:44 < E-werd> i mean ebol4
20:44 < dragonfleas> i kno de wae
20:44  * ebol4 spits
20:44 < dragonfleas> anyways
20:44 < Gregabit> FSMO is an old term. They're called Operations Masters now. not that anyone uses the new term
20:44 < Heresiarch> ebol4: fsmo roles are the bits of AD data hierarchy that MS realized they couldn't distribute across multiple boxes.
20:44 < dragonfleas> anyone have an answer for me? does the site to site connections automatically generate if I take down the bridgehead DC?
20:45 < Gregabit> No idea dragonfleas
20:45 < dragonfleas> i suppose i'll just do a scream test over the weekend
20:45 < dragonfleas> move the FSMO roles over and see if the site to site fails over correctly
20:45 < Gregabit> I'd build 2 VMs and test it.
20:45 < dragonfleas> Gregabit, i'd have to build 2 VM's, and another VM at our sister site
20:46 < dragonfleas> which i can't do because we don't have a hypervisor there
20:46 < dragonfleas> I suppose I could virtually make two sites, two different subnets
20:46 < Gregabit> That's a lot of work, but if you are worried, you can test.
20:46 < dragonfleas> ugh that sounds like a lot of work
20:46 < dragonfleas> i'll just do a scream test on the weekend
20:46 < ebol4> just do it and if it doesn't work then you can panic
20:46 < dragonfleas> if everything fails i'll just revert
20:47 < dragonfleas> we don't operate on saturday and sunday so it will give me a whole day to fix
20:47 < Gregabit> reverting AD is a pain in the ass
20:47 < gnupluslinux> ping A-KO
20:47 < dragonfleas> Gregabit, I need to get our domain on a 2012 R2 functional level for the new version of exchange
20:47 < Gregabit> ah
20:47 < dragonfleas> we're on a 2003 functional level...
20:47 < dragonfleas> WTF
20:47 < Gregabit> ouch
20:48 < ebol4> N E T S P L I T
20:48 < SynMonger> REPENT! The endtimes are nigh!
20:48 < onenerdyguy> what version of exchagne requires a 2012r2 functional level?
20:48 < dragonfleas> Gregabit, yeah we have a 2003 r2 DC and it's terrible
20:48 < dragonfleas> onenerdyguy, well, the required functional level is 2008 r2, but I would like to get us higher and there'd be no point going to a younger OS if we have the keys for 2012 r2
20:48 < tapoxi> Gregabit: yeah
20:48 < dragonfleas> so it's an optional change that i'm requiring
20:49 < dragonfleas> older OS*
20:49 < dragonfleas> not younger
20:49 < tapoxi> Gregabit: salt aka 'salt open'. you can pay for a UI that just installs as a module into salt open
20:49 < tapoxi> Gregabit: I just ran the free version and used elasticsearch as a ui
20:49 < Gregabit> thx tapoxi
20:51 < Gregabit> dragonfleas: Do you have any other apps that rely heavily on AD that could break when you up the functional level?
20:51 < Gregabit> Anything that changes your schema
20:51 < dragonfleas> Gregabit, we have no integrated AD applications
20:52 < Gregabit> That doesn't sound so bad then
20:52 < dragonfleas> we have two dedicated apps that could use AD, but we haven't set up the integration, I plan to in the future after upgrading our infrastructure
20:52 < Gregabit> good call
20:52 < dragonfleas> I'd like to implement cert based SSO
20:55 < alazare619> if i install server 2016 core w/ hyper-v role and containers
20:55 < alazare619> how often will the host reboot?
20:55 < onenerdyguy> as often s you tell it to
20:55 < onenerdyguy> be smart, install Windows Hyper-V server
20:55 < sideup66> Thanks freenode
20:55 < alazare619> containers role is a requirement onenerdyguy
20:55 < int0x1C8D> it'll reboot whenever you don't want it to
20:55 < alazare619> which is not available in just windows hyper-v server
20:55 < onenerdyguy> alazare619, wait. you actually found a use for Windows containers?
20:55 < onenerdyguy> LIES
20:55 < onenerdyguy> LIES AND DECIET
20:56 < alazare619> onenerdyguy:  possibly :P
20:56 < onenerdyguy> I call bullshit
20:56 < alazare619> i wont know till i can try
20:56 < alazare619> if hyper-v server supported containers that would be amazing...
20:57 < Gregabit> vmware is going hard on containers
20:58 < onenerdyguy> alazare619, so um, with these containers...is it basically like LXC containers but with Windows?
20:58 < onenerdyguy> cuz if so, I'm gonna blwow a load in my pants
20:59 < alazare619> onenerdyguy: theres 2 aspects
20:59 < alazare619> onenerdyguy:  yes to the lxc idea
20:59 < alazare619> onenerdyguy:  and if its a linux app it uses a minimal linux kernel
20:59 < alazare619> thats shared among all linux apps
20:59 < onenerdyguy> is it a full install, or just linux?
20:59 < onenerdyguy> er, i mean
20:59 < onenerdyguy> is it a full install like LXC, i.e. i can psremote into the container like normal, or is it dockerish
20:59 < alazare619> just a 128MB linux kernel thats shared among all the linux containers
20:59 < alazare619> both
21:00 < onenerdyguy> screw the linux side for now. I'm talkin windows
21:00 < alazare619> you can psremote
21:00 < onenerdyguy> i can take a hyper-v host, spin up a windows container, and have a minimal windows intall I can put roles on?
21:00 < alazare619> yes
21:00 < onenerdyguy> shite! link documentation plox, i gotta a meeting
21:01 < alazare619> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/deploy-containers/system-requirements
21:01 < alazare619> it uses docker
21:01 < alazare619> but it  was made to use nano server
21:01 < alazare619> so you can run AD as a docker container
21:01 < alazare619> psremote into it
21:01 < alazare619> or docker exec into it
21:01 < Heresiarch> ...angels and ministers of grace, defend us.
21:02 < tapoxi> alazare619: I mean I think you can run k8s on hyper-v
21:02 < alazare619> tapoxi: what do you mean?
21:03 < Gregabit> docker on windows uses a apline linux VM
21:03 < tapoxi> alazare619: granted I havent run k8s on windows, but create a k8s cluster on windows in hyper-v, launch containers on that cluster, k8s autoscales by talking to and controlling hyperv
21:03 < Gregabit> but I guess there is a native windows container now
21:04 < alazare619> Gregabit: yes
21:04 < alazare619> but what i'm trying to figure out is if hyper-v server
21:04 < alazare619> can actually do the containers
21:04 < Heresiarch> ...volatile storage, process-isolated active-directory servers. eatingpopcorn.jpg
21:04 < alazare619> both linux and windows...
21:05 < tapoxi> alazare619: yeah you need to have a VM underneath it but that VM can spawn more VMs to run more containers
21:05 < alazare619> or if server 2016 core doesnt reboot often as server 2016 desktop
21:05 < alazare619> tapoxi:  seems like a waste of resources
21:05 < tapoxi> alazare619: I think thats the point of nano server
21:05 < alazare619> my other problem is if i do this (at home)
21:06 < Gregabit> alazare619: you have your one alpine linux VM and you'll create containers inside that one VM.
21:06 < alazare619> hyper-v server cant manage a jbod software raid
21:06 < tapoxi> alazare619: kind of. you can probably do it baremetal but you gain a little bit of security having different nodes live in different VMs
21:06 < alazare619> Gregabit:  docker for windows hides all that
21:06 < alazare619> Gregabit:  its native CLI
21:06 < alazare619> in windows powershell i run docker pull image/tag
21:06 < Gregabit> roger
21:06 < alazare619> and it does it
21:07 < alazare619> so can i achieve all this
21:07 < tapoxi> alazare619: wait you creating windows containers or linux containers
21:07 < alazare619> jbod software raid
21:07 < alazare619> both tapoxi
21:07 < alazare619> this is an idea to play around with at home
21:07 < tapoxi> oh hmm
21:07 < alazare619> esxi hasn't been stable
21:07 < alazare619> debating moving to hyper-v server
21:07 < Gregabit> huh?
21:07 < tapoxi> alazare619: try coreos on baremetal
21:08 < alazare619> cant
21:08 < alazare619> i need VM's
21:08 < Gregabit> what's happening on ESXi? what version?
21:08 < alazare619> its newest
21:08 < tapoxi> alazare619: ovirt.org motherfucaaaaa
21:08 < alazare619> no
21:08 < alazare619> ovirt is bloated
21:08 < SynMonger> coreos and milk
21:08 < tapoxi> ovirt = godvirt
21:08 < Gregabit> What issue alazare619
21:08 < tapoxi> ovirt isnt bloated
21:08 < alazare619> Gregabit:  its a lockup
21:08 < tapoxi> what are you talking about
21:08 < alazare619> i dont care to trouble shoot it
21:08 < alazare619> so just going to nuke it
21:08 < Gregabit> alazare619: have you opened a VMware case?
21:08 < alazare619> i'm on a free esxi license
21:08 < alazare619> they wont care
21:09 < ebol4> the south will rise again
21:09 < tapoxi> SynMonger: delicious
21:09 < alazare619> so debating moving to hyper-v server free
21:09 < Kobe``> whats the pros?
21:09 < tapoxi> all my prod servers are coreos
21:09 < tapoxi> its rad
21:10 < tapoxi> #gentooinprod #longlivegentoo
21:10 < Gregabit> alazare619: You're probably not on supported hardware. https://www.vmware.com/resources/compatibility/search.php
21:10 < Gregabit> tapoxi: did you used to work for CenturyLink?
21:11 < Gregabit> Cause there was a Gentoo in prod guy there
21:11 < tapoxi> Gregabit: no
21:11 < Gregabit> Surely there can't be two of you guys
21:11 < tapoxi> I had shit in a centurylink dc once :)
21:11 < tapoxi> well I mean coreos/cos is gentoo but its more chromeos
21:12 < arlion> So, who here has a cirlce I can join?
21:12 <@JollyRgrs> tapoxi: you really need to work on your workplace hygene
21:12 < arlion> I don't got time for this resume buisness
21:12 < Gregabit> tapoxi:  Was that in 2013
21:12 <@JollyRgrs> arlion: like google+ circles? lol
21:12 < alazare619> Gregabit:  it is
21:12 < alazare619> Gregabit:  its a ml10v2 ...
21:12 < alazare619> Gregabit:  again i dont care
21:13 < alazare619> i'm done with esxi
21:13 < kepler> always need a resume for hr. hr circles don't mix with other circles
21:13 < arlion> JollyRgrs: yep, im hoping to be the first in Google's brand new shiny social media platform that nobody uses.
21:13 < tapoxi> JollyRgrs: have you been to a centurylink dc I made that place smell better
21:13 < alazare619> tapoxi:  coreos doesnt do vm tho
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> tapoxi: you know what else isn't bloated? qemu+kvm
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> arlion: ;)
21:13 < tapoxi> JollyRgrs: ovirt is qemu+kvm
21:13 <@JollyRgrs> tapoxi: i know... but w/o that overhead of ovirt
21:14 < ebol4> just install the os on the computer like a normal person, stop using vm's
21:14 <@JollyRgrs> #hencethejoke
21:14 < tapoxi> eh live migration and the web ui
21:14 <@JollyRgrs> you can do live migration w/o ovirt
21:14 < Gregabit> alazare619: Yeah. you can look at /var/log/vmkwarning around the time of the freeze
21:14 < alazare619> Gregabit:  again i dont care
21:14 <@JollyRgrs> tapoxi: tbh, i was debating doing ovirt, but i wanted to "learn" it first before using a "cheat" UI
21:14 < Gregabit> Going from ESXi to Hyper-v makes me sad inside
21:14 < alazare619> Gregabit:  i'm not trying to trouble shoot i'm trying to find out if hyper-v free edition supports containers
21:15 < alazare619> and something like storage spaces
21:15 <@JollyRgrs> but i would not use proxmox... seems too dumbed down
21:15 < tapoxi> alazare619: yeah your ability to mix workloads is going to be weird. you need a VM to run containers since they need to live under their own kernel
21:15 < ravioli> grumplestiltzkin got BRUTAL SAVAGE REKT in #donger!
21:15 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: Hunterkll would know for sure
21:15 < tapoxi> alazare619: if you want to go the fuck everything route and ruin your life you can go openstack
21:15 <@JollyRgrs> he's a hyper-v worshiper... dbcc might know as well
21:15 < tapoxi> alazare619: you can mix VM and container workloads there
21:16 < tapoxi> JollyRgrs: yeah I just used the UI. there's an API though
21:16 < ebol4> make it so if you die in #donger you die in real life
21:17  * ravioli got rekt by grumplestiltzkin in #donger
21:17 < alazare619> I'm mainly trying to find out where Hyper-V server differs from Server 2016 core W/ Hyper-V differs
21:17 < alazare619> in regards to patching etc
21:27 < [J][F][D]> ravioli: no one cares go back to your dong
21:27 < [J][F][D]> jeez
21:28 < ravioli> you're just jealous that you suck so bad
21:29 < XxJFDxX360Xdevop> ravioli: fight me
21:31 < \exit> hm
21:31 < felda> it's okay \exit someone will give you attention
21:33  * ravioli got rekt
21:33 < onenerdyguy> alazare619, so, i'm totes back.
21:33 < onenerdyguy> alazare619, did you have a link so I can learn more about this lovely thing for containers?
21:33 < ravioli> felda++
21:33 < XxJFDxX360Xdevop> felda i was hoping all these python bots would quit
21:38 < estranger> i never thought id say this but I miss salesforce
21:42 < JFDkthx> we should submit all of our depressed friends phone numbers for solarwinds demos
21:42 < JFDkthx> that way they have someone to talk to
21:43 < Gregabit> I think that would push them over the edge
21:43 < dragonfleas> Okay i got my new DC up and everything is replicated correctly
21:43 < admiralspark> ls
21:43 < dragonfleas> time to prep for saturday
21:43 < admiralspark> oops
21:43 < dragonfleas> woo
21:43 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: ...who hurt you?
21:44 < Gregabit> death by Solarwinds sales team
21:44 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: no one. but im trying to save the lonely admins
21:44 < JFDkthx> you know the ones that no one likes, DomLS3
21:45 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: ...very Outer Limits-ish. Solve their loneliness by drowning them in social interaction and sales dribble.
21:46 < JFDkthx> i could do that, and put up a fake resume with ServiceNow experience on indeed
21:46 < JFDkthx> i dont know which will generate more calls
21:46 < JFDkthx> (willing to reloacte)
21:47 < Casteil> man, crazy accounting lady might have her quirks but the fact that she occasionally showers us with legit candy (reese's cups and stuff) means she gets a pass lol
21:47 < Gregabit> vmware doesn't get me calls like it used to :( loney admin
21:47 <@JollyRgrs> i burnt out my tongue on sweet tarts... now eating jalepeno cheddar combos and that spot on the side of my tongue is REALLY feelin the heat... the rest of my tongue is "all gold"
21:47 <@JollyRgrs> err "all good"
21:48 < Casteil> she'll come by with her candy bowl and I'll take just one or two small pieces to not be a hog
21:48 < Casteil> and she'll take a handful and chuck it on my desk
21:48 < Casteil> lol
21:48 < JFDkthx> gold works too
21:48 < JFDkthx> Casteil: shes trying to fatten you up
21:48 <@JollyRgrs> frenchfriedtaters.mp3
21:48 < Casteil> JollyRgrs: God, I haven't done that for probably 5+ years (wrecked tongue with sweet tarts)
21:48 <@JollyRgrs> Casteil: but you know EXACTLY what i mean
21:48 < Casteil> sweet tarts or shockers
21:49 <@JollyRgrs> i got some day after sweet tart bunnies for half off
21:49 <@JollyRgrs> sat down at work and just kept getting more out of the bag, not thinking
21:49 < Casteil> shockers were the source of many destroyed childhood tongues
21:49 < onenerdyguy> alazare619, you there buddy ol pal
21:50 < Casteil> http://royalwholesalecandy.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/o/wonka_shockers_roll.jpg these bastards
21:50 < starbomba> welcome to "you're doing it wrong", broken childhood edition: < Casteil> shockers were the source of many destroyed childhood tongues
21:50 < Gregabit> oh man. Windows team was put under Azure and Office 365... What the hell.
21:50 < Gregabit> https://news.microsoft.com/2018/03/29/satya-nadella-email-to-employees-embracing-our-future-intelligent-cloud-and-intelligent-edge/
21:51 < grumplestiltzkin> 'intelligent edge ', eh?>
21:51 < Gregabit> that edge is cutting into Windows OS I think
21:52 < starbomba> ooh, spotify tanked
21:52 <@JollyRgrs> they should maybe work first in making edge ACTUALLY SUPPORT websites already existing
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> then people would not complain about it so much
21:53 < starbomba> jollyrgrs, microsoft is still riding high on activex
21:53 < starbomba> they figure they can dictate the terms of the web
21:53 < Heresiarch> people actually use edge?
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> tbh i've not heard anyone say "i don't want to use edge, i don't like the UI"
21:53 < starbomba> i've said it
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> most people say "edge doesn't work for ____ i don't want to use it"
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: you used it long enough to form that opinion? :P
21:54 < Hatter> I can't  even play any of my flash games in Edge
21:54 < starbomba> the UI was like the visual equivalent of nails on blackboard to me
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> the UI is 100% touch-first
21:54 < starbomba> i persisted because for about two months the only browser that worked with a beta app we were working on was edge
21:54 <+abakedapplepie> can someone tell me in which ways im being retarded
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> just like those horrible PC games that were xborx ports
21:54 < asimon> I didn't even give edge a chance
21:54 < starbomba> but i eventually won the "you can't code for a niche browser" fight
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> you can tell, and it isn't a good thing
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: so you don't code for opera?
21:54 < starbomba> heh
21:54 < starbomba> i think opera's just chrome now right?
21:55 < BonKurei> HTML5 check: Does it work on edge? No its HTML5
21:55 < starbomba> chrome guts plus adblocker
21:55 < asimon> Plus mouse gestures
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> and what's the other one from the java/mozilla guy?
21:55 < starbomba> and a vpn or something like that
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: i thought they were stopping the vpn? no?
21:55 < starbomba> i do have opera developer on this machine but that's like my 5th browser in line
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> i coudl be wrong, i don't keep up with it much
21:55 <+abakedapplepie> I have a new Sophos firewall, i set the LAN IP to 10.0.0.1/21. I have a new Cisco SG300 (layer 3) managed switch, I set that LAN IP to 10.0.0.5/21. I have a workstation, that LAN IP is set to 10.0.1.169/21. My workstation can access 10.0.0.5, but not 10.0.0.1. Is there something in a default config for a layer 3 switch that would prevent my workstation at 10.0.1.169 to not reach 10.0.0.1? Tracert fails with 0 hops
21:55 <+abakedapplepie> please.
21:56 <+abakedapplepie> driving me nuts.
21:56 < starbomba> jollyrgrs maybe, i don't keep up too well with the release cycles for browsers i only semi-regularly update these days
21:56 <+abakedapplepie> i called the firewall vendor they said its gotta be a switch config issue
21:56 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: no routing between subnets?
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: OMG why /21s?
21:56 < starbomba> why are you using /21
21:56 <+abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: because /24 is too small
21:56 < starbomba> ...
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> so... 23?
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> any bigger than that... you aren't doing something right?
21:57 < Stoob> all i want for christmas is for excel to not lock scrolling to rows of the spreadsheet
21:57 < Stoob> let me scroll halfway down a damn row
21:57 <+abakedapplepie> also i have to include 10.0.1.1/24
21:57 < starbomba> isn't that the scroll lock button's fault?
21:57 <@JollyRgrs> Stoob: that's the #1 thing someone running a meeting had to teach the incumbant as they left
21:57 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: ah, n/m. The IP of the switch is going to be universally available to anything connected to the switch in the same subnet. Have you checked a ping/telnet test from the switch to the sophos?
21:57 < grumplestiltzkin> Oh - so, anyone experience this?   I bought some disk on amazon (I caved - its *so* convenient)    and it said the purchase qualified for a free download of farcry 5, but there wasn't a link or anything on that box, and no further information - searches are coming up empty.   Has anyone redeemed one of these before?
21:57 <+abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: i can ping the switch from the sophos
21:57 <@JollyRgrs> there was ONE item with like 2 pages of stuff in a cell, she had to learn how to click in box, then arrow key
21:58 < Stoob> scroll lock has no effect starbomba
21:58 < starbomba> you can ping the switch but traceroute fails with 0 hops?
21:58 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: can you go the other way?
21:58 <+abakedapplepie> ill see
21:58 < starbomba> THIS STORY IS NOT HOLDING TOGETHER UNDER EVEN THE LIGHTEST OF SCRUTINY
21:58 < starbomba> j/k
21:58 <+abakedapplepie> starbomba: the tracert fails from my workstation on the 10.0.1.169 ip
21:58 <+abakedapplepie> 10.0.0.5 can ping 10.0.0.1
21:58 < Stoob> also push /23, i go with /64s heyo ipv6 comin atcha 2018 year of ipv6
21:58 < starbomba> any chance you're mixing cidr masks?
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> nope
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> 255.255.248.0
21:59 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: cross-check subnet settings on the sophos - most smaller routers default to a /24.
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> i did
21:59 < starbomba> that's weird, it's almost as if something is configured to ignore anything beyond that root /24
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> starbomba: right??
21:59 < admiralspark> can you ping 1.1 though!?!?
21:59 < starbomba> like heresiach said, i'd start with the cheapest hardware
21:59 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: and your client box has the same subnet?
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: same subnet yes
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> different /24
21:59 <+abakedapplepie> but same configured subnet
21:59 < starbomba> weird
22:00 < admiralspark> heh
22:00 < admiralspark> good one pfsense
22:00 < upmime> in b4 ghost
22:00 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: ...but you're not using a /24. You're using a /21.
22:00 < pfsense> Pfsense
22:00 < pfsense> Pfsense
22:00 < pfsense> Pfsense
22:00 <+abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: yes
22:00 < felda> pls
22:00 < admiralspark> preach it
22:00 <+abakedapplepie> i only mention it because it seems that that is what its doing
22:00 < starbomba> i thought spaghet was one of ravioli's nicks
22:01 < pfsense> Sthap
22:01 < Stoob> pf stands for packet flood
22:01 < starbomba> staph
22:01 < felda> lel ghosted pfsense
22:01 <@upmime> felda++
22:01 < felda> THAT'S MY NICK
22:01 <@upmime> wb pfsense
22:01 < starbomba> felda just pointed the GIANT METAL FINGER OF NICKSERV at sideup66
22:01 < BonKurei> wb
22:01 < felda> lol
22:01 < felda> -NickServ- pfsense!~sideup66@unaffiliated/sideup66 failed to login to felda.  There has been 1 failed login attempt since your last successful login.
22:01 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: do you see an arp entry on the LAN box for the router?
22:01 < estranger> that'll move the chains
22:03 < pfsense> Kek
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> yeah
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> i didnt before, but i do now after i pinged it
22:03 < pfsense> felda: y u no use dis nick
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> from the switch
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> still cant access from my workstation tho
22:03 < felda> because it is mine to covet and hold NONE MUST KNOW
22:03 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: can the sophos ping the LAN box?
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> yes
22:03 <+abakedapplepie> er
22:03 < arlion> hey, I finally got in a circle
22:04 <+abakedapplepie> what are you referring to as lan box
22:04 < pfsense> fite me
22:04 <+abakedapplepie> my workstation?
22:04 <+abakedapplepie> because no
22:04 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: your .169 box.
22:04 <+abakedapplepie> yeah, no
22:04 < SubaruSVX> pfsense why isn't there an easy to understand gui for managing pfsense?
22:04 < pfsense> because pfsense is not for the meek or those without google
22:04 < pfsense> perhaps you want weenie hut opnsense
22:04 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: can you plug the workstation into the sophos directly and test?
22:05 <+abakedapplepie> i could but i left that office lol
22:05 <+abakedapplepie> :(
22:05 < starbomba> i have it on good authority that "fortigate" is in fact greek for "tiny penis"
22:05 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: that'd be the next bet. My gut says you have a misconfigured subnet somewhere amongst the three devices, but not sure.
22:05 < kepler> sphos is 10.0.0.1, switch 10.0.0.5 - they can ping eachother. 10.0.1.169 can ping .5 but not .1 ? all are confirmed 255.255.248.0 masks? sounds like the sophos might be a /24 or something
22:05 <+abakedapplepie> ill give that a shot
22:05 <+abakedapplepie> i just have to walk across the street
22:06 <+abakedapplepie> kepler: yeah thats what it seems like but its not
22:06 <+abakedapplepie> i have it on good authority that the sophos firewall devs are fucking retarded tho
22:06 <+abakedapplepie> i should update the firmware
22:06 <+abakedapplepie> getting a new firmware image itself is a pita
22:06 < starbomba> switch at 0.5 can ping fireall at 0.1 but 1.169 can't ping 0.1?
22:06 < coderphive> Anyone here used Amazon EMR?
22:06 <+abakedapplepie> starbomba: correct
22:07 < starbomba> any chance the zone assignments are screwy for these subnets? maybe sophos is using a different ACL
22:07 < starbomba> "can't ping" should hold true in a segment
22:07 <+abakedapplepie> oh that actually is a fair point, the wan port was briefly configured using dhcp on my lan
22:07 <+abakedapplepie> wow
22:07 <+abakedapplepie> ill go blow that out too
22:07 <+abakedapplepie> idk if those settings are still stuck because that port is down now
22:07 <+abakedapplepie> but maybe
22:07 < mkillebrew> if all that fails, try threatening it.
22:08 <+abakedapplepie> i do have a taser
22:08 < starbomba> perfect
22:08 <+abakedapplepie> "DO YOU WANT THE TICKLES, SOPHOS?!"
22:08 <+abakedapplepie> welp
22:08 <+abakedapplepie> gonna schlep back across the street
22:08 <+abakedapplepie> hopefully i dont get hit by a car
22:08 < Gregabit> bad tickles
22:08 < Stoob> use the etherkiller
22:20 < pfsense> wowee active shooter at Youtube in San Bruno, CA
22:21 < estranger> something goin on there at least, jah
22:21 < JFDkthx> pfsense: wouldnt be a problem if youtube didnt take away all the gun videos
22:21 <@killdash9> I thought YouTube banned gun videos
22:22 <@killdash9> damnit...
22:22 < pfsense> JFDkthx it clearly said on the building gun free zone
22:22 < JFDkthx> at least then they could watch something instructional and learn how to defend themselves
22:22 < pfsense> killdash9 they are in a sort
22:22 < JFDkthx> pfsense: makes you wonder why they had that sign there if no one was going to follow it
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> active shooter? I bet it's because of those damn Marilyn Manson songs. You know the one.
22:23 < Gregabit> Really not a fan of the gun free jokes when people are getting shot up...
22:23 < mkillebrew> no, it's the video games
22:23 < JFDkthx> i think we should give guns and train all youtubers
22:23 < estranger> its not even confirmed yet
22:23 < Gregabit> I see a tweet on it. 1st response is CA gun laws.
22:24 < mkillebrew> That's worked out so well
22:24 < pfsense> JFDkthx I dunno if I were a killer and I saw a sign that said no guns allowed I would probably turn around and go home.
22:24 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, wow, Youtube headquarters
22:24 < pfsense> lmao the reddit comments
22:24 < JFDkthx> pfsense: naturally. as would any law abiding citizen
22:24 < pfsense> Its probably logan paul looking for content
22:24 <@killdash9> but California banned all the bad guns
22:24 < Casteil> <pfsense> wowee active shooter at Youtube in San Bruno, CA
22:25 < JFDkthx> killdash9: no big mags either
22:25 < Casteil> someone getting revenge for nazi gun policies? :X
22:25 < pfsense> killdash9 but they didn't ban all those (((immigrants))) who bring all those guns and drugs in
22:25 <@killdash9> oh, yeah, that's it....
22:25 < JFDkthx> pfsense: nope it's a sanctuary city
22:25 < Gregabit> Less politics
22:25 < Gregabit> plz
22:25 < AnimalFarmPig> pls, those are illegal. Only people who can have scary guns in California are cops and military. So, it must be cops or military shooting the place up.
22:25  * killdash9 strays too far into politics-land and decides to pull back
22:25 < pfsense> even though studies show even illegal aliens commit less crime than native born citizens >_>
22:25 < BonKurei> If active shooters is a real term, does that mean we are all inactive shooters until we become active?
22:26 < JFDkthx> BonKurei: #notallshooters
22:26 < mkillebrew> inactive shooters are people with the potential to shoot but lack cause or motivation, like potential energy
22:27 < BonKurei> Can the same be said about active/inactive murderers/drug dealers/rapists?
22:27 < mkillebrew> yes, you're all equipped to be criminals
22:27 < JFDkthx> i mean if you wannt be a pedant.
22:27 < mkillebrew> shame on you all
22:27 < technonerd> I'm always equipped to be an alcoholic
22:27 < pfsense> why don't we just start nabbing people based on thought crimes?
22:28 < JFDkthx> pfsense: or worse #thotcrimes
22:28 < SynMonger> someone save me from all you criminals
22:28 < JFDkthx> just activate a shooter to take care of the thought criminals
22:28 < JFDkthx> there are a ton of inactive ones
22:28 < JFDkthx> lets put one to use
22:28 <+abakedapplepie> Whew I fixed it
22:29 <+abakedapplepie> Whoever mentioned zones thank you
22:29 <+abakedapplepie> It was my Wans fault
22:29 < pfsense> Dawg my sign says FIREWALL FREE ZONE what are you doing?
22:29 <@killdash9> it's my fault. I'm sorry. Every time I order new toys for my hobby another one happens. This week it was a new rifle and 1/2 dozen 'hi cap murder mags'
22:29 < AnimalFarmPig> always remember to activate your firewalls in order to bring out the aroma and enhance the enzymes
22:29 < BonKurei> I like that, inactive alcoholic
22:30 < pfsense> AnimalFarmPig I put pfsense in right next to my almonds in the oven to activate them
22:30 < Casteil> good thing we're protected by anti gun laws and gun-free zones
22:30 < Casteil> oh wait
22:30 < BonKurei> whoa the active shooter is at youtube hq?
22:30 < AnimalFarmPig> as you should
22:30 < Casteil> isn't that where most shootings happen? :X
22:30 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: some nice aromatics in the server room
22:30 < JFDkthx> Casteil: you are like 5 minutes late
22:30 < AnimalFarmPig> JFDkthx: also enzymes
22:30 < JFDkthx> scroll up
22:31 < AnimalFarmPig> according to a random person on twitter, it's a lady active shooter
22:31 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: so no injuries
22:31 < JFDkthx> AYYYYY
22:31 < pfsense> I also enjoy the refreshing qualities of hydrated water
22:31 < AnimalFarmPig> I only drink raw water
22:31 <@killdash9> JFDkthx: my wife is better with a rifle at longer distances than I am.
22:31 < pfsense> H2O2 has SUPERIOR deliciousness
22:31 < AnimalFarmPig> cooking it kills the amino acids
22:32 < JFDkthx> killdash9: i'll remember that next time im standing 400 yards away from you in a field.
22:32 < pfsense> killdash9 she used to making small caliber guns shoot? XDDDDDDDDD
22:32 < pfsense> 8========D
22:32 < JFDkthx> more like 8==D
22:32 < pfsense> RIP
22:32 <+abakedapplepie> More like 8D
22:32 < starbomba> bakedapplepie it worked?
22:32 < JFDkthx> reaches all the from a to z
22:33 <+abakedapplepie> Yeah it was because my wan port took over that subnet
22:33 <+abakedapplepie> Stupid dhcp
22:33 < starbomba> ah. yep. port assignments often rejigger firewall ACLs
22:33 < starbomba> i once sent a sonicwall flying because of something like that
22:34 <+abakedapplepie> I've sent sonicwalla flying for far less
22:34 <+abakedapplepie> They deserve it
22:34 < JFDkthx> anyone else feel bad for typing colored into google. im looking for colored tail output and it just doesnt feel right
22:34 <+abakedapplepie> I just fixed one actually 10 minutes ago lol
22:34 <+abakedapplepie> After coworker struggled for a while
22:35 < starbomba> ugh ugh ugh. filter by "pick up today" and the zip code where the store is located. search. select item, all within the constraints of the filter. go to cart: "item cannot be picked up today" THEN WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN SHOW IT TO ME
22:35 < JFDkthx> they have to clean the fleshlights before they resell them
22:35 < JFDkthx> calm down starbomba
22:36 < starbomba> you sound experienced in this arena.
22:36 < starbomba> i hope you shower frequently
22:37 < JFDkthx> i was on yahoo answers, and i saw someone named czarbomba asking "for a friend"
22:38 < starbomba> s/yahoo answers/powerbottoms r us
22:38 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "i was on powerbottoms r us, and i saw someone named czarbomba asking "for a friend""
22:38 < Hatter> always with the funny little jokes JFDkthx, why don't you grow UP
22:38 < JFDkthx> Hatter: who said it was a joke, yahoo answers is dope
22:38 < starbomba> speaking of failed retail endevaors, is it wrong of me to want walmart to die in a fire
22:38 < starbomba> endeavors
22:38 < JFDkthx> no
22:39 < corn266> woo finally got our bitbucket server an SSL key
22:39 < JFDkthx> corn266: im enabling https on our bitbucket server tonight
22:40 < corn266> JFDkthx: do y'all authorize user credentials individually between atlassian products or just through jira?
22:41 < JFDkthx> you talking about sso?
22:41 < JFDkthx> sorry ask it again.
22:41 <@mistiry> corn266: when we used it, we had JIRA as the auth system, and bitbucket, confluence, etc authed against it
22:41 < JFDkthx> oh.
22:41 < Hatter> what's that ring Ahura Mazda is usually holding?
22:41 < corn266> what mistiry said
22:41 < JFDkthx> they auth individually.
22:42 < corn266> we had issues because the self-signed cert was given default values and bitbucket didn't trust the CN since it didn't match the domain
22:42 < JFDkthx> o/ linuxdood
22:42 < linuxdood> anyone watching the youtube shooter feed?
22:43 < Hatter> anyone?
22:43 < AnimalFarmPig> link?
22:43 < JFDkthx> they are streaming the active shooter?
22:43 < linuxdood> http://video.foxnews.com/v/5763251491001/?#sp=show-clips
22:43 < JFDkthx> thats kind of macabre of youtube
22:43 < linuxdood> no just the frisking of all the employees
22:43 < linuxdood> and cops standing around
22:43 < JFDkthx> typical cops
22:43 < linuxdood> im just wondering why everyone is getting frisked
22:43 < JFDkthx> i bet if trump was there he would rush in
22:44 < linuxdood> they didnt check the girls legs
22:44 < linuxdood> just the doods
22:44 < linuxdood> cop is gay
22:44 < linuxdood> and he gets in tight too
22:44 < Hatter> female shooter?
22:44 < Hatter> pretty rare
22:44 < linuxdood> \0/ ive heard both reports
22:44 < linuxdood> google com hasnt said much
22:44 < alazare619> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/virtualization/windowscontainers/manage-containers/hyperv-container
22:45 < vinrock> anyone with an s8/note8/s9 do the recent update and have the screen fucked up
22:45 < coderphive> wat
22:45 < linuxdood> oh thats a body bag
22:45 < linuxdood> shit
22:45 < starbomba> trump can't stop an active shooter, he's already promising to guard the southern border with the military
22:45 <@killdash9> Trump himself said he'd run in
22:45 < starbomba> why is youtube streaming a shooter, anyway
22:45 < JFDkthx> maybe that person is just shy
22:45 < JFDkthx> and cold
22:45 < linuxdood> its at youtube
22:45 < starbomba> oh heh
22:45 < linuxdood> its not youtube its at youtube HQ
22:46 < linuxdood> active shooter
22:46 < Hatter> starbomba: yeah REAL funny
22:46 < Hatter> sheesh
22:46 < JFDkthx> starbomba: thats what i'm saying
22:46 < DrGibby|> active shooter at youtube hq
22:46 < starbomba> there will be months of fretting millennials on twitch explaining their feelings about this situation
22:46 < linuxdood> oh dont go on twitter
22:46 < linuxdood> its ugly
22:46 < Hatter> linuxdood: url
22:46 < JFDkthx> starbomba: i think it's in poor taste, considering the current climate
22:46 < linuxdood> Hatter, http://video.foxnews.com/v/5763251491001/?#sp=show-clips
22:47 < coderphive> for a state that hates guns so much their swat dudes look like I did in afghanistan
22:47 < linuxdood> dood they are rocking military gear
22:47 < JFDkthx> coderphive: a fat pog
22:47 < JFDkthx> hehehe
22:47 < coderphive> kek
22:47 < linuxdood> this is CA
22:47 < linuxdood> cops there know how to riot
22:48 < coderphive> hypocritical capitol of the nation
22:48 < linuxdood> but u cant have guns in ca
22:48 < linuxdood> its illegals
22:48 < AnimalFarmPig> they don't hate guns, just the idea of citizens owning them. Violence is fine as long as it's outsourced to the state
22:48 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig spoken like a texan
22:48 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: as long as you work for the state whats the problem
22:48 < linuxdood> so far reports say 11 injured
22:49 < AnimalFarmPig> linuxdood: only cops can have guns there. Therefore the shooter must be a cop. Basic logic :)
22:49 < linuxdood> true
22:49 < vinrock> case closed.
22:49 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig you going to devops days austin?
22:49 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: I hope I didn't wander into Poe's law territory
22:49 < BonKurei> this chatroom is chaotic neutral
22:49 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig or maybe start up week dallas?
22:49 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: no, but apparently I'm going to Cisco Live, according to my boss yesterday
22:49 < coderphive> what in the world is that
22:49 < linuxdood> local link http://abc7news.com/source-active-shooter-multiple-injuries-at-youtube-hq/3297411/
22:50 < JFDkthx> DAVE BEHIND YOU FFS
22:50 < AnimalFarmPig> a big Cisco event during the summer. Last year it was in Vegas. This year in Orlando.
22:50 < linuxdood> they ahve shut down thre freeway
22:50 < misinformed>  /exit
22:50 < coderphive> 23rd infantry on lockdown
22:50 < coderphive> lulz
22:51 < coderphive> nobody is there
22:51 < BonKurei> I live less than 5 miles from the shooting but I take the subway home thankfully
22:51 < alazare619> docker pull microsoft/windowsservercore
22:51 < AnimalFarmPig> where is 23rd Infantry?
22:51 < alazare619> this is nuts
22:51 < alazare619> the thought that windows containers exist now
22:51 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: would you like to know
22:51 < JFDkthx> wouldnt
22:51 < alazare619> my mind is fukt
22:51 < JFDkthx> fucking spy
22:51 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig CA reserve unit
22:51 < AnimalFarmPig> ahhh...
22:51 < alazare619> 2018 is the year of the windows desktop
22:52 < alazare619> window will finally kill leenux
22:52 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig I want to say 23rd infantry is colocated with ANGLICO
22:52 < coderphive> not sure though
22:52 < vista> AnimalFarmPig: lucky
22:52 < coderphive> "windows containers"
22:53 < AnimalFarmPig> vista: first time I'm taking a junket. I was supposed to go to PyCon a couple years ago but waited too long to buy tickets. Not sure what I'm supposed to get out of this, but cool I guess
22:53 < vista> well, you can get a free cisco cert for one
22:53 < vista> also, you can play with all kinds of big boy routers
22:53 < coderphive> yo lmao
22:53 < AnimalFarmPig> neat
22:53 < coderphive> "windows container" is 5 GB
22:53 < coderphive> get lost
22:54 < coderphive> puppet
22:54 < alazare619> coderphive:  no
22:54 < alazare619> coderphive:  these are tiny
22:54 < vista> AnimalFarmPig: the technical deep-dives are pretty good as well
22:54 < coderphive> liar
22:54 < coderphive> https://hub.docker.com/r/microsoft/windowsservercore/tags/
22:54 < vista> and you can talk with the guys who actually engineered the stuff
22:54 < coderphive> 5 GB uncompressed
22:54 < AnimalFarmPig> vista: I'm not really a networking guy, just work for a networking company. I guess it's a good chance to learn what the rest of the company does.
22:54 < vista> all the questions you ever wanted answered about <x>, they'll answer it for you
22:54 < vista> oh
22:54 < vista> well
22:55 < BonKurei> vista: <x> goin give it to ya
22:55 < vista> you can always go for the free swag, i guess?
22:55 < AnimalFarmPig> awwww yeah
22:55 < vista> 3/4th of cisco live is about selling you more cisco and cisco accessories
22:55 < vista> the rest is technical deep-dives
22:55 < coderphive> vista please do not forget licenses
22:55 < BonKurei> the other 1/4th is vendors selling you cisco and cisco accessories
22:55 < vinrock> female shooter!
22:56 < coderphive> :O
22:56  * coderphive is astounded
22:56 < BonKurei> What color is she?
22:56 < coderphive> WAIT
22:56 < vista> coderphive: licenses?
22:56 < coderphive> YES
22:56 < AnimalFarmPig> are people assuming xer gender?
22:56 < coderphive> ^
22:56 < vinrock> no the youtube employee on the phone with the news station just said so
22:56 < coderphive> vista yes, Cisco licenses
22:56 < AnimalFarmPig> BonKurei: I think my company will be part of the other 1/4
22:56 < vista> omg
22:57 < BonKurei> I went to a cisco event recently and now I get vendor calls multiple times a day
22:57 < vista> i'll never be truly free of DNA / SmartNet licensing
22:57 < coderphive> license this, license that, license your face with a wiffle ball bat
22:57 < vista> will i
22:57 < AnimalFarmPig> so, you're saying I should stop by the Solarwinds booth when I'm there?
22:57 < Heresiarch> coderphive: welcome to Cisco. The Oracle of networks.
22:57 < coderphive> si
22:58 < coderphive> hence SDN is the future, k?
22:58 < vista> also AnimalFarmPig, most big tech conferences feature things called VENDORS
22:58 < corn266> welcome to cisco home of the license can i make you paaaay me
22:58 < coderphive> "but buy a cisco nexus"
22:58 < coderphive> Yes, the big black vmware box
22:58 < coderphive> sounds good
22:58 < AnimalFarmPig> Cisco just announced that they're decoupling. They're releasing ios for whitebox. That's kind of cool.
22:58 < coderphive> how do I support it, Cisco?
22:58 < vinrock> what's up with all these regular people cars
22:58 < vista> and VENDORS love to organise FREE FANCY DINNERS at conferences
22:58 < coderphive> "Well, you need our engineers for dat"
22:58 < coderphive> o ok
22:58 < vinrock> i was expecting nothing but parking lots fulla of benzes in cali
22:58 < vista> make sure you talk to every vendor about dinner
22:58 < vinrock> er
22:58 < vinrock> bmw's
22:59 < AnimalFarmPig> s/bmw/tesla
22:59 <+layer-eight> vinrock meant: "tesla's"
22:59 < vista> AnimalFarmPig: well that's an interesting turn of events
22:59 < coderphive> I thought everyone in California drove a tesla
22:59 < vinrock> or those
22:59 < coderphive> vinrock beat me to it
22:59 < coderphive> punch line thief
22:59 < Kobe``> yall dont get teslas in 'bama?
22:59 < vista> I haven't heard of this white-box claim yet
22:59 < coderphive> Kobe`` it's pronounced Tejas
22:59 < coderphive> and no
22:59 < Gregabit> L.A. is like 20% Teslas
22:59 < starbomba> s/teslas/gloves with fingers
22:59 <+layer-eight> Kobe`` meant: "yall dont get gloves with fingers in 'bama?"
22:59 < coderphive> we ride horses to work
22:59 < Kobe``> you bois like MEJICO
22:59 < AnimalFarmPig> vista: it was just announced a couple days ago
23:00 < coderphive> Kobe`` I happen to know AnimalFarmPig actually rode his Byson today
23:00 < AnimalFarmPig> vista: but, I've "heard rumors" about it for a few months
23:00 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: you mean that developing one's own chips that don't outperform broadcoms might be a losing bet? THE HELL YOU SAY
23:00 < vista> oh, XRv9k is not that new
23:00 < vista> it's been out for a while
23:01 < vista> I guess they just announced the first "officially" supported hardware
23:01 < coderphive> guys
23:01 < coderphive> I know the term microservice is kind of vage
23:01 < vinrock> vage
23:01 < vinrock> ina
23:01 < coderphive> but can we agree that 5GB is too big for a container attempting to run a microservice?
23:02 < vista> and CSR1000v is kind of really old news
23:02 < Heresiarch> coderphive: ...if you're trying to run a microservice on an MS platform, you're already kinda starting at a deficit.
23:02 < coderphive> whew
23:02 < coderphive> just making sure
23:02 < starbomba> 37 injured at yt hq
23:02 < coderphive> I was about to start up AD in a container
23:02 < coderphive> thanks for that
23:03 < Heresiarch> on that note, o/
23:03 <+TuxedoJack> "Let's offer a cash prize for who can move the most customer documentation from the SMB shares into IT Glue! What could go wrong?"
23:03 < coderphive> The problem is
23:03 < coderphive> you said IT Glue
23:04 <+TuxedoJack> "Hey, Jack, I'm not eligible for the contest, but fuck them, I want the money. Give me your IT Glue credentials, I'll script the uploads, we'll split the money."
23:04 <+TuxedoJack> Not even fucking kidding
23:04 < BonKurei> Wow, this looks like the first 5 star wanted level since christopher dorner
23:05 <+TuxedoJack> "theres 2 way I see this going down - I upload docs as myself to lower the %reward everyone gets, because im not eligible so fuck you all, or I get your ITGlue login, and we split your hefty bonus for uploads"
23:05 <+TuxedoJack> And that's from the fucking team lead in one of our sub-branches
23:05 < coderphive> Sounds good to me
23:05 <+TuxedoJack> Yes, because there's NO FUCKING WAY batch-uploading shitloads of docs can go wrong
23:05 <+TuxedoJack> Including shit that's years out of date
23:05 < coderphive> What format are these docs in?
23:06 < corn266> nah dude just `cp * THE_CLOUD/.`
23:06 < corn266> s/*/-R *
23:06 < corn266> oh shit
23:06 < coderphive> idk why you guys are using IT Glue
23:06 < coderphive> just put it all in Hadoop
23:06 < coderphive> done
23:06 <+TuxedoJack> coderphive: everything. PDF, TXT, DOCX, XSLX, CSV, JPG, you name it
23:06 < coderphive> better yet, CC: Blockchain
23:06 < JFDkthx> fuck people that want to use hadoop as enterprise storage
23:06 <+TuxedoJack> My view is that shit needs to be fucking vetted before it goes up
23:06 <+TuxedoJack> To make sure it's correct
23:07 <+TuxedoJack> Hire a fucking intern or three
23:07 < coderphive> JFDkthx educate me
23:07 < coderphive> I'm about to spin up an EMR cluster
23:07 < coderphive> Actually Hadoop isn't really acting as storage in this case
23:07 < JFDkthx> coderphive: had a guy that instead of updating our storage, wanted to offload everything to user pcs
23:07 < coderphive> S3 is
23:08 < coderphive> that's sick
23:08 < coderphive> for user in network: GlusterFS(user)
23:08 < coderphive> I can get behind it
23:09 < coderphive> but forreal JFDkthx if you have criticisms of Hadoop I'd like to hear it
23:09 < coderphive> I know nothing about it
23:09 < JFDkthx> thats my only one.
23:09 < coderphive> oh
23:09 < JFDkthx> same guy wanted to have a briefcase full of rpis for weathermodelling
23:09 < JFDkthx> hires weathermodelling i should say
23:09 < coderphive> Why the briefcase?
23:09 < JFDkthx> he wanted it to be portable.
23:09 < coderphive> Weird
23:09 < JFDkthx> dum
23:09 < coderphive> How old was this man?
23:10 < JFDkthx> mid 30s
23:10 < coderphive> I didn't know dementia hit that early
23:10 < coderphive> Weird again
23:12 <@JollyRgrs> best way to recursively remove readonly setting for a big folder, preferably powershell.... GO!
23:12 < Kobe``> rm /rf
23:12 < estranger> aww yeah I forgot I ordered food
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> or is gci -recursive |set-itemproperty isreadonly $false (semi-pseudo) the best option?
23:13 < estranger> short term memory ftw
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: "who's that at my door?"
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> Kobe``: thx, scrub
23:13 < estranger> shoot first, ask later
23:13 < Kobe``> np fam
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: ooh! free food
23:13 < estranger> JollyRgrs, lol <3 grubhub
23:15 <+CheckYourSix> Anyone ever use this? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HHRP11C
23:16 <+CheckYourSix> Or have a preferred alternative? Looking for something that can plug into an AC outlet, accept an ethernet line, and make it's own wifi. Say in a hotel room or something
23:16 <+CheckYourSix> Something like that seems ideal because it's small
23:18 < coderphive> CheckYourSix Ubiquiti has a version of that
23:19 <+CheckYourSix> coderphive: I'll look it up
23:21 <+TuxedoJack> I'm going to fucking burn all my tier 1s
23:21 <+TuxedoJack> I go to lunch, queue's empty
23:21 <+TuxedoJack> Come back, 15 tickets in queue, 9 of which are past SLA
23:21 <+TuxedoJack> By half an hour
23:22 < JFDkthx> how long is your lunch
23:22 <+TuxedoJack> An hour
23:22 <+TuxedoJack> I took an hour and a half and went to drop off the rent checkl
23:22 < JFDkthx> sounds like it's a half hour too long then
23:22 <+TuxedoJack> Sounds like it's HR time
23:22 < JFDkthx> i'll be expecting you back 15 minutes tomorrow.
23:23 < JFDkthx> that way we can mee sla
23:23 < JFDkthx> meet*
23:23 <+TuxedoJack> I'll be expecting a 40% raise, then
23:23 < JFDkthx> also how do you have tickets that have a half hour sla
23:23 < JFDkthx> like
23:23 < JFDkthx> tf?
23:23 <+TuxedoJack> They're supposed to fucking pick up and respond to a ticket in 15 minutes
23:24 <+TuxedoJack> These have sat for 45
23:24 < vinrock> "Female suspect in YouTube HQ shooting is dead: NBC News"
23:24 < JFDkthx> are they highs?
23:24 <+TuxedoJack> I don't fuckin' know
23:24 < JFDkthx> jesus i would hate to manage that shit
23:24 < JFDkthx> 15 minute sla for a non critical ticket can kiss my ass
23:25 <+TuxedoJack> To RESPOND to it
23:25 < JFDkthx> 15 response
23:25 < JFDkthx> rather
23:25 <+TuxedoJack> Or even to pick up the thing
23:25 < JFDkthx> yeah
23:25 < estranger> what is the SLA, acknowledgement?
23:25 < JFDkthx> still kma
23:25 < estranger> jah
23:25 <+TuxedoJack> Not to DO anything
23:25 < starbomba> anyone here feeling a little too gluten-free
23:25 < JFDkthx> are you the shift lead that dolls it out
23:25 < JFDkthx> starbomba: cheetos are glutenfree
23:25 <+TuxedoJack> JFDkthx: nope, I'm the one who has to deal with the stupid shit when they fuck up
23:25 < JFDkthx> just thought i would share.
23:26 < JFDkthx> TuxedoJack: fucking time for writeups then
23:26 < JFDkthx> fuck em
23:26 <+TuxedoJack> JFDkthx: hell, one problem was simply solved by telling the user to reset the fucking AT&T device
23:26 <+TuxedoJack> It sat for 50 fucking minutes!
23:27 < JFDkthx> how many techs?
23:27 <+TuxedoJack> A goddamn site outage because they couldn't be arsed to fucking refresh the queue or call!
23:27 < JFDkthx> avg call volume of last hour?
23:27 <+TuxedoJack> 8 on that team
23:27 <+CheckYourSix> .....
23:27 <+CheckYourSix> TuxedoJack: Fire the lazy fucks?
23:27 <+TuxedoJack> None of which are over 15 tickets resolved for the day
23:27 <+TuxedoJack> INCLUDING reopens
23:27 < JFDkthx> sounds like you need to 1 punish the team lead for that team
23:27 < JFDkthx> 2. write everyone up.
23:28 < JFDkthx> i say punish but what can you do other than write them up
23:28 <+TuxedoJack> Let's see... ran a quick report...
23:28 <+CheckYourSix> coderphive: Ok, what's it called? UBNT has so many products I can't find it in this list
23:28 < JFDkthx> if i knew i had a shit pod working nights, i made sure they had the shit work.
23:29 < starbomba> what the actual fuck http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn-bp-nyc-enhancing-security-punish-muslim-day-article-1.3910784
23:30 <+TuxedoJack> Since 1 Apr, the rest of the team has done 16 (team lead), 24 (tier 2), 28 (tier 2), 23 (tier 2), 16 (tier 1), 12 (tier 1), 15 (tier 2)
23:31 <+TuxedoJack> Meanwhile, i'm sitting at 52, and that's not counting the 6 I haven't logged from last weekend
23:31 <+CheckYourSix> TuxedoJack: Are you the senior sysadmin or what?
23:31 <+TuxedoJack> And joy, an Amazon data security audit just got dumped into my queue, and it's for a fucking all-Mac firm
23:32 <+CheckYourSix> *cringe*
23:32 <+TuxedoJack> CheckYourSix: ish. Technically, yes, but I get all the weird shit, compliance, security, audits, Mac stuff, and the esoteric things
23:32 <+TuxedoJack> Officially, my card says Senior Systems Administrator
23:32 <+TuxedoJack> As of last Friday, it became Director of Information Security
23:32 <+TuxedoJack> Not fucking ticket guy with a shockey monkey
23:33 < pfsense> TuxedoJack is master of all bits, but does he use BIGLY PFSENSE
23:33 <+TuxedoJack> Shut up, felda
23:33 < pfsense>  ╾━╤デ╦︻༼ಠ益ಠ༽︻╦̵̵͇̿̿̿̿══╤─╾ RUDE BOY
23:33 <+TuxedoJack> Considering my home pfSense is an Optiplex 7020...
23:33 < Stoob> TuxedoJack: welcome to my LIFE
23:33 < pfsense> damn that's high power
23:34 <+CheckYourSix> I use an Optiplex 360
23:34 <+CheckYourSix> But I got rid of pfSense
23:34  * pfsense will not admit he used a WinXP Optiplex in production as their firewall for 2 years >_>
23:34 <+CheckYourSix> TuxedoJack: Why don't you write all of the tier 1s up? If it happens again, fire people
23:35 < alazare619> giant_it_burrit:
23:35 < alazare619> vidja card bruh
23:35 < Stoob> psh you think the directory of information security has that kind of power CheckYourSix?
23:35 < Stoob> director*
23:35 <+giant_it_burrit> Alazare619
23:35 <+giant_it_burrit> Poop
23:35 < alazare619> 💩
23:36 < estranger> oof http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43633094
23:36 <@JollyRgrs> s/plex/pleXbox
23:36 <+layer-eight> CheckYourSix meant: "I use an OptipleXbox 360"
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> wait...
23:37 < Church-> TuxedoJack: Well as a maner postion I assume, don't you have enough clout to kick asses till they either shape up or get the fuck out?
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> so zuck has a hospital named after him? (or rather he donated money to them?
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital
23:37 < pcspkr> nice bein rich
23:38 <+TuxedoJack> pfsense: try these specs. https://i.imgur.com/6I2YgiX.png
23:38 <+CheckYourSix> Zuckerberg is a douche, rich or not
23:38 <+TuxedoJack> CheckYourSix: I don't have HR powers
23:38 < Kobe``> are you rich if you give away all your money
23:38 <+CheckYourSix> TuxedoJack: :-/
23:38 <+TuxedoJack> Church-: HAHAHAHAHAHA. The only power I have is 220V 20A to their nipples
23:38 <+CheckYourSix> And my Optiplex is way older. Core 2 Duo E7500 yo
23:38 <+CheckYourSix> WIth 4 GB RAM
23:39 <+TuxedoJack> Mine was surplused from a client
23:39 < bomb> anyone nearby austin?
23:39 <+TuxedoJack> bomb: NW ATX. Why do you ask
23:39 < bomb> nvm
23:41 <@JollyRgrs> TuxedoJack: watch out for incoming bomb package
23:41 <+TuxedoJack> Eh
23:41 <@JollyRgrs> i suspect bomb
23:41 < joelazot> ello
23:41 < joelazot> hi jolly
23:41 <+TuxedoJack> I wanted to redo this place anyways, it's a good excuse to invoke the renter's insurance
23:41 <@JollyRgrs> lol
23:41 <@JollyRgrs> time to go home
23:41 <@JollyRgrs> adios
23:41 < joelazot> cya
23:42 < joelazot> I remember someone here being good at writing, who was it? I'd like some critique on my assessment
23:42 < pfsense> TuxedoJack 2hot you gotta be able to process at least like 10 packets a second
23:42 <+CheckYourSix> joelazot: What's the assessment on?
23:43 < joelazot> CheckYourSix: Creative Writing
23:43 <+CheckYourSix> Writing is a pain in the ass
23:43 <+CheckYourSix> What topic did you choose?
23:43 < joelazot> I agree
23:44 < Stoob> he creatively wrote about creative writing
23:44 < joelazot> plot is: new it guy, find out ceo is a peadophile. (in government sector too)
23:44 < bomb> pick explosives
23:45 < joelazot> lol
23:45 < Church-> Well do that then.
23:46 < joelazot> https://pastebin.com/2ZnXqiZV
23:46 < joelazot> and next period i have more writing, in science.
23:47 < joelazot> good news tho im getting a dl380 g6 for $100 with 32gb of ram and a X5550
23:48 <+TuxedoJack> "Since you replaced our switch, our printer is slow. What's wrong with it?" "WELL, FUCKERS, YOU SHOULDN'T TRY TO USE A PIECE OF SHIT HP OFFICEJET WITH FUCKING CAT3 CABLE."
23:48 < joelazot> jfc
23:48 < silentfury> cat3 cable?
23:48 < silentfury> TuxedoJack: time to whip out the cat9 of tails
23:49 <+TuxedoJack> I don't even know where they FOUND that
23:51 < DrGibby|> jesus fuck people talking about this shooting are toxic as fuck
23:51 < joelazot> wat
23:51 < mkillebrew> you're talking about it
23:51 < joelazot> wat shooting
23:51 < DrGibby|> joelazot: there was a shooting at the YouTube HQ
23:51 < joelazot> actually?
23:51 < DrGibby|> mkillebrew: yes, I, however, am not toxic
23:52 < DrGibby|> joelazot: for realisies
23:52 < joelazot> geuss someone didn't like getting demonitised
23:52 < mkillebrew> you're at least contradictory
23:52 < mkillebrew> now I can't believe anything you say
23:55 < DrGibby|> ok
23:57 < Nightcinder> guys
23:57 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bM8ja447/image.png my cat actually plays with a toy i bought her
23:57 < joelazot> aww
23:58 < joelazot> well cya guys
23:58 < joelazot> ill be back on in a few hours
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