--- Log opened Thu Apr 05 00:00:33 2018
00:20 < duri> does anybody know if Dell BIOS patches for Spectre Meltdown are free or do you need to be on a support contract ? looking at old PowerEdge 12th gen
00:20 < genr8__> i would assume it doesnt exist or its free
00:22 < mkillebrew> BIOS?
00:23 < genr8__> basic input output system
00:24 < duri> yes these ... http://www.dell.com/support/contents/us/en/04/article/product-support/self-support-knowledgebase/software-and-downloads/support-for-meltdown-and-spectre
00:25 < mkillebrew> no, I wasn't wondering what BIOS meant, that's just not what the microcode patch is for
00:28 < genr8__> Mitigations include updates to both system software (Operating System (OS) patch) and firmware (BIOS, microcode updates)
00:28 < genr8__> 1) Apply the firmware update via BIOS update.
00:28 < genr8__> 2) Apply the applicable operating system (OS) patch.
00:33 < Ayeitzabee> Heyo guyz
00:35 < BonKurei> Hey bee
00:52 < voidstar> I'm applying for an entry level windows sysadmin job. most of my experience is in linux administration. what resources should I cram to fake it till I make it?
00:54 <+abakedapplepie> get into powershell
00:54 < xe0n> powershell\ad
00:55 <+abakedapplepie> there is very little you cant do with powershell these days
00:55 < voidstar> aha
00:55 < voidstar> thanks (y)
00:56 <+abakedapplepie> the list of things you can only do with powershell is longer than the list of things you cant do with powershell
00:56 <+abakedapplepie> and youll probably impress your gui-betrothed coworkers
00:56 <+abakedapplepie> or theyll tell you not to use powershell because they dont "get" it
00:56 <+abakedapplepie> if the latter, quit
00:56 <+abakedapplepie> lol
00:56 < voidstar> I'll spin up some vms and play around with setting up an ad
00:57 <+abakedapplepie> yeah set up your own domain
00:57 < voidstar> yeah, I mean I'll stick around for a year to make it look better on a resume (I'm pretty young)
00:57 <+abakedapplepie> and exchange
00:58 < voidstar> stick to win10 and latest versions of server/exchange?
00:58 <+abakedapplepie> server 2012 r2 and exchange 2010 are still rather heavily used
00:58 <+abakedapplepie> i wouldnt go earlier than those
00:58 < voidstar> got it
00:58 <+abakedapplepie> but it depends on what youre going into
00:59 < MikeSpears> voidstar: learn office 365
00:59 <+abakedapplepie> is it an msp?
00:59 < voidstar> casino
00:59 < MikeSpears> use it for your personal email
00:59 <+abakedapplepie> oh
00:59 <+abakedapplepie> huh
01:00 < voidstar> I'm running my own proxmox server on a dell r710 with a pfSense router running my network. I've just avoided microsoft like the plague, but it seems it's much easier to find jobs working with microsoft products
01:01 < DoctorDick> Heyo
01:01 < DoctorDick> That's what I did
01:02 < voidstar> abakedapplepie, thanks for the suggestions. I'll get on it
01:07 < xe0n> if you want to learn exchange, learn ps and office 365.
01:11 < xe0n> voidstar: if you want to learn exchange, just go straight to 2016, learn the ps, as most of the cmdlets come across to office 365.
01:11 < xe0n> voidstar: even better, get an e3 tenancy, and set up a hybrid box, and learn to work with that...
01:11 < voidstar> (y)
01:12 < voidstar> e3 tenancy?
01:12 < xe0n> e3 is a plan, and an tenancy
01:13 < voidstar> https://products.office.com/en-us/business/office-365-enterprise-e3-business-software ?
01:17 < xe0n> corecto
01:17 < xe0n> buy 1 seat, you're laughing
01:19 < voidstar> huh. I'll look into it
01:22 <+abakedapplepie> i can never find the o365 feature/plan matrix when i want to
01:24 <+abakedapplepie> xe0n: what is tenancy? azure ad?
01:27 < xe0n> https://products.office.com/en-au/business/compare-more-office-365-for-business-plans
01:27 < xe0n> your office 365 account is a tenancy, under thatyou have your user accounts
01:27 < xe0n> and azure ad is part of e3 year, but if you want premium you pay for it, but dirsync etc is included
01:28 < voidstar> huh
01:28 < xe0n> yeah*
01:43 < xe0n> having said that, i need to update the hybrid boxes here, think they're behind in CUs
01:48 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mKiLAV6I/image.png new kb
01:53 < Hunterkll> iz gdax broke for peeps
01:53 < Hunterkll> nah seems to just be me
01:54 < E-werd> i'm getting an error
01:55 < Hunterkll> huh
01:55 < Hunterkll> worked on my other system
01:55 < E-werd> Error ID: 628d67c0
01:58 < Hunterkll> weird
01:58 < Hunterkll> i'm seeing what appears to be live data on my other laptop
02:02 <+CheckYourSix> What are good bookshelf type speakers to use with my PC and possibly a small amp? Nothing too big
02:06 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, check out voice of the theater
02:07 <+CheckYourSix> Lol, huge
02:07 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, they fit on thor's bookshelf just fine :(
02:08 < E-werd> CheckYourSix: these are nice: https://www.amazon.com/Edifier-R980T-Active-Bookshelf-Speakers/dp/B01LXDZ8WB
02:08 < E-werd> I got them for classroom speakers and haven't had the chance yet, so I hooked them up in my office and they're pretty nice
02:09 < tsarbomba> anybody here all about the gimbals & trim?
02:09 < E-werd> more about the gonads and strife.
02:10 < benjgvps> CheckYourSix: https://www.reddit.com/r/Zeos/comments/79ioie/%C4%B1l%C4%B1guide%C4%B1l%C4%B1_musicgaming_speakers_amps/?st=jflrkx6z&sh=e10d1e27
02:10 < tsarbomba> if your gonads are causing strife might i suggest visiting a doctor?
02:10 < benjgvps> Good place to start, at least.
02:10 <+TuxedoJack> Well, if it's causing strife, he must not have gotten drugs yet
02:10 <+TuxedoJack> Cause he sure ain't going weeeeeeeeee
02:11 < tsarbomba> i have found that drugs do tend to keep the strife at bay
02:11 <+TuxedoJack> Okay, question
02:12 <+TuxedoJack> Take the Dell speakers and woofer downstairs and hook them into the living room TV, and bring my good Klipsch Promedias upstairs for my battlestation?
02:12 <+TuxedoJack> Or leave it as is?
02:13 <+CheckYourSix> benjgvps: Thanks
02:14 < Hunterkll> TuxedoJack, jizz on both and see which sounds better after
02:14 <+enix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBg8TW49GgY
02:14 <+layer-eight> YouTube Dave Chapelle Cumming by 2009-04-13T18:18:03.000Z (duration: 2:01) on Tue Apr 14 01:18:03 UTC 2009, 2009-04-13T18:18:03.000Z views
02:15 < Hunterkll> CenturyLink is trying to force customers into arbitration in order to avoid a class-action lawsuit from subscribers who say they've been charged for services they didn't order. To do so, CenturyLink has come up with a surprising argument -- the company says it doesn't have any customers. While the customers sued CenturyLink itself, the company says the customers weren't actually customers of CenturyLink. Instead,
02:15 < Hunterkll> CenturyLink says they were customers of 10 subsidiaries spread through the country. CenturyLink basically doesn't exist as a service provider -- according to a brief CenturyLink filed Monday.
02:15 < Hunterkll> HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA
02:15 < Hunterkll> "You can't sue us because we don't have customers! HAHA"
02:15 <+CheckYourSix> That has to be the most ridiculous defense ever...
02:16 <+CheckYourSix> Anyone using Untangle?
02:17 <+enix> That is the best defense ever
02:17 <+enix> I mean it makes sense right? "We provided a service to a service provider and if that service provider didn't provide a service to you well that's just bad luck you should have used us direct okay too bad so sad"
02:18 < Hunterkll> no no
02:18 < Hunterkll> enix, "we're centurylink, but not THAT centurylink. that we own. 100% own."
02:18 <+enix> Hunterkll: well THAT centurylink IS a diffrent country :P
02:18 < Hunterkll> ....?
02:18 < Hunterkll> company?
02:19 < Hunterkll> i didn't know centurylink owned whole COUNTRIES
02:19 < Hunterkll> :o
02:21 <+enix> oops lol
02:21 <+enix> I just checked their site
02:21 <+enix> so shit
02:21 <+enix> shadow ALL the text!
02:21 < Hunterkll> enix, centurylink owns levell 3
02:21 < Hunterkll> :p
02:22 < Hunterkll> we did a huge revamp a year or two ago
02:22 < Hunterkll> when they were separate companies
02:22 < Hunterkll> and we dual homed a lot of sites
02:22 < Hunterkll> centurylink and level3
02:22 < Hunterkll> because separate providers
02:22 < Hunterkll> well
02:22 < Hunterkll> whoops
02:22 < Runath> Anyone have a issues with Discord, Spotify, or Steam not recognizing your mouse interactions until you minimize and reopen the software?
02:22 < Hunterkll> "Hi, uh, AT&T, we'd like to talk again..."
02:22 < Runath> I've had this happen on multiple installs, not sure of a real fix
02:23 < Hunterkll> Runath, try ctrl+shift+winkey+b
02:24 < Runath> I'll try that next time it comes up
02:24 < kuahara> so every time I do a test ping to 4.2.2.2, I'm talking to something owned by centurylink?  I feel dirty
02:24 < Hunterkll> that might do absolutely fuck all nothing
02:24 < Hunterkll> but it restarts your graphics driver without a crash/reboot
02:24 < Hunterkll> Runath, ^
02:24 < Runath> ok
02:24 < Runath> lets see
02:24 < Runath> my spotify just did it again
02:24 < Runath> yeah that seems to fix it, unfortunately it has to be done frequently on a case by case basis
02:24 < Runath> fuck windows 10
02:25 <+CheckYourSix> Jesus fuck, 830pm already?
02:25 < Hunterkll> Runath, that was a windows vista keyboard shortcunt
02:25 < Hunterkll> just sayin'
02:25 < Runath> I need to recreate this
02:25 < Hunterkll> :)
02:25 < Runath> ok so
02:25 < Runath> I recreated it again
02:25 < Runath> PUBG is open in fullscreen on my left monitor
02:26 < Hunterkll> my issue is with blacking out applications
02:26 < Hunterkll> like hexchat, explorer, taskbar, etc
02:26 < Hunterkll> that causes me to need a gpu reset
02:26 < Hunterkll> but pubg doesn't do it
02:26 < Hunterkll> CS:GO and BF:BC2 do
02:26 < Runath> Spotify is on my right monitor. When I put pubg into focus, and drag my mouse to my right monitor to spotify, i am unable to interact with spotify
02:26 < Runath> until i do that command, or minimize and open spotify again
02:26 < Hunterkll> open steam overlay
02:26 < Hunterkll> in pubg
02:26 < Hunterkll> and try again
02:26 < Runath> nope
02:27 < Hunterkll> click on something non-spotify
02:27 < Hunterkll> then spotify
02:27 < Runath> nope
02:27 < Hunterkll> get better games
02:27 < Runath> it thinks i'm clicking my desktop
02:27 < Runath> i need a better OS
02:27 < Hunterkll> my issue with my application blackouts requiring GPU reset
02:27 < Hunterkll> also only happens
02:27 < Hunterkll> if i run CS:GO or BF:BC2
02:27 < Hunterkll> AFTER running PUBG
02:27 < Hunterkll> if i run them before PUBG it doesn't happen
02:27 < Hunterkll> eh
02:27 < E-werd> Runath: triple boot windows/mac/linux
02:27 < Hunterkll> could be worse
02:27 < E-werd> then get fed up with all of them
02:27 < Hunterkll> you could be running windows 7
02:28 < Runath> don't think mac have drivers for 10 series nvidia, or do they?
02:28 < E-werd> yeah, they do
02:28 < Hunterkll> i believe they do
02:28 < Runath> i remember some chump wanted to buy my 760 for like 150 a year ago just cause it was compatible lol
02:28 < E-werd> not *good* drivers
02:28 < Hunterkll> but for gaming they aint fuck all
02:28 < E-werd> and mac fucking blows for gaming, even on a legit mac
02:28 < Hunterkll> for rendering video & CAD they're fine
02:28 < E-werd> with legit hardware
02:28 < Hunterkll> no it doesn't, E-werd is just incompetent
02:28 < Hunterkll> :p
02:28 < E-werd> yeah, k
02:29 < Hunterkll> I played PUBG on my dad's 5K iMac at 75FPS just fine
02:29 < E-werd> in bootcamp
02:29 < Hunterkll> Crossover actually
02:29 < E-werd> windows or gtfo
02:29 < Hunterkll> was kinda buggy
02:29 < Hunterkll> but still
02:29 < E-werd> crossover is kind of weird
02:29 < Hunterkll> it's just wine
02:29 < E-werd> it's fairly effective though
02:30 < Hunterkll> probably doesn't work anymore though
02:30 < Hunterkll> but yea
02:30 < Hunterkll> framerate was fine
02:30 < Hunterkll> iMac has good hardware\
02:30 < Hunterkll> mac pro too
02:30 < E-werd> I have it working pretty good on my desktop here
02:30 <+TuxedoJack> Overpriced dogshit
02:30 < E-werd> in Sierra anyway, not High Sierra
02:30 < Hunterkll> TuxedoJack, apple's cheaper then dell when I compare spec for spec and build quality/line
02:30 < Hunterkll> :'(
02:30 < E-werd> i5-8600k, 32gb, nvme, gtx980
02:30 < Hunterkll> slightly better warranty, barring lack of on-site
02:31 < E-werd> everything working
02:31 < E-werd> fucker even sleeps
02:31 < Hunterkll> tbh macbook pro probably cheaper than my surface book for better specs
02:31 < Hunterkll> lol
02:32 < Hunterkll> well
02:32 < Hunterkll> pretty close
02:32 < Hunterkll> both 15" have quad core instead of my dualie i7
02:32 < Hunterkll> and radeon pro 555/560 graphics in the same price range
02:32 < Hunterkll> $300 less gets you half the SSD at 256GB but gets you the 4 TB3 ports
02:32 < Hunterkll> $100 m ore gets you same storage
02:33 < Hunterkll> which is stilll $200 cheaper then the latitude i looked at when i bought my surface book
02:33 < Hunterkll> lol
02:33 < Hunterkll> E-werd, i shoulld do my desktop
02:33 < Hunterkll> 128GB ram, i9-7980XE, 2x1080 Ti, :D
02:34 < Hunterkll> and then just play voice control chess on it
02:34 < Hunterkll> and that's it
02:39 <+enix> fuck off with your fucking i9 cunt
02:47 < mal_will> We're never going to fill this headcount
02:47 < DLSteve> We have Functional Analyst. I have no clue what they do.
02:48 < mal_will> I don't think a career IT person would touch this title with a ten foot resume...pole...cover letter.
02:48 < mal_will> do they prepare reports?
02:48 < DLSteve> mal_will, Sounds like an internal promotion position.
02:48 < DLSteve> mal_will, No we have Business Analyst for that.
02:49 < mal_will> lolol
02:49 < mal_will> We need a teir two who can answer helpdesk calls, but also do slightly complicated things, is all.
02:49 < Hunterkll> mal_will, Technical Support Analyst II
02:50 < DLSteve> We call those "Specialists".
02:50 < mal_will> I proposed that but my boss got rid of tiers
02:50 < Hunterkll> Support Specialist Under 9000
02:50 < mal_will> also, everyone but me on my team is a business *** analyst
02:50 < Hunterkll> Business Support Analyst ?
02:50 < mal_will> delicious! Is a sys admin above 10000?
02:51 < Hunterkll> no
02:51 < Hunterkll> that's under 100
02:51 < Hunterkll> almost dirt
02:51 < mal_will> Business application analyst. business analyst. business service analyst.
02:51 < DLSteve> I am an "Identity Analyst", I basically am a developer for our provisioning system lol.
02:51 < mal_will> :( am dirt.
02:51 < mal_will> I was offered an analyst title. I was like, nah it's a lie
02:51 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, how's the rectal scan implementation coming?
02:52 < mal_will> do you feel analytical DLSteve
02:52 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, quite nicely!
02:52 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, We just got in new jumbo sized probes.
02:52 < Hunterkll> ah hired cryptic1?
02:52 < mal_will> testing sounds painful
02:53 < DLSteve> mal_will, I just have "Software Developer" on my resume lol. Titles are meaningless for the most part.
02:53 < mal_will> Ah, they made the tier one a business service analyst. I thought he was just a ba
02:53 < mal_will> DLSteve: do you consider them when job hunting though?
02:54 < mal_will> s/systems/service/
02:54 < DLSteve> mal_will, Not really. I usually go by job description.
02:54 < mal_will> am slow today. I mean, this year.
02:55 < mal_will> I even did the sed wrong. je-suhs
02:55 < DLSteve> Almost all my job interviews/jobs have come from people I knew who already worked for the company.
02:55 < mal_will> nice, networking
02:55 < DLSteve> So a lot of the time the resume is just a formality.
02:56 < mal_will> I've been really careful with mine. I don't want anything non technical sounding on it. but maybe I'm the weirdo
02:56 < DLSteve> My network grows lol, I know people at almost all the major tech companies.
02:57 < mal_will> Can I order one tier two plz? must be in colorado. any height will do
02:57 < DLSteve> :( I'm in Seattle.
02:57 < voidstar> mal_will, training and relocation included?
02:57 < mal_will> dang.
02:57 < mal_will> training yes, relocation, no. Salary is 50k
02:57 < DLSteve> Lot of churn in tech here.
02:58 < tsarbomba> have you ever accepted hattori hanzo's finest sword after being called "yellow-haired warrior"
02:58 < DLSteve> I would say that a good 3rd of my department worked for MS at one point.
02:58 < mal_will> seriously?
02:58 < DLSteve> yah
02:58 < voidstar> MS had some massive layoffs not too long ago
02:58 < mal_will> I wonder what it's like to work fo msoft
02:59 < voidstar> you've seen silicon valley on hbo?
02:59 < DLSteve> I of course use a Mac, and have a linux tux penguin with a Windows Sucks sign lol.
02:59 < mal_will> lol, yeah voidstar
02:59 < tsarbomba> have you ever gotten a colonoscopy in a third-world nation without anesthesia OR lube?
03:00 < mal_will> lol, that seems more accurate
03:00 < DLSteve> Their breakroom is ok.
03:00 < voidstar> I think it's like hooli
03:00 < DLSteve> Thats the only thing I have to judge working conditions lol.
03:00 < voidstar> at least that's how I imagine it
03:01 < DLSteve> I have only been in the Azure support building.
03:01 < mal_will> my parent company has a pack of people that rove the floors looking for violations. like, xmas decorations left up too long. no skateboards inside. if you submit a helpdesk ticket you never hear back on that specific ticket, but IT does send out yearly emails being like "we have a 3500 ticket backlog, stop emailing us."
03:01 < mal_will> IME the bigger the company, the more it sucks to work there
03:02 < DLSteve> Ehh, depends.
03:02 < DLSteve> Some things suck, some things are nice.
03:02 < mal_will> like copious snacks?
03:03 < DLSteve> Like I have a PoC Kubernetes cluster up in Azure that I spun up just to learn. Costs around $600 a month to run and no one has batted an eye so far lol.
03:03 < technonerd> I can't even get staples or post it notes
03:03 < mal_will> not bad
03:04 < mal_will> I once worked for a place with 3 jr. Exchange Admins who's main job was running pre-made scripts to create new user accounts in O365. but they only had 1 InfoSec person
03:04 < DLSteve> technonerd, Well thats what stupid, I have to go to our VPs admin to get AA batteries for my mouse, but I can at will spin up servers in Azure costing tens of thousands of dollars...
03:05 < Casteil> if you guys were given the choice between two certifications: certified scrum master, or CAPM (certified associate project manager by PMI).. what would you go for?
03:05 < mal_will> I wonder where our batteries are.
03:05 < mal_will> CAPM
03:06 < DLSteve> All the SCRUM/Agile training is the biggest scam imo.
03:06 < Casteil> yet CSM is in decent demand
03:06 < mal_will> yee, it just reframes what PMI will teach you
03:07 < DLSteve> I mean you can get paid big money to do it but I think the companies spending money on it are not spending the money wisely.
03:07 < mal_will> I think CAPM still earns you more, though
03:07 < Casteil> CAPM is probably comparably brutal exam wise
03:07 < Casteil> apparently 150 questions
03:07 < Casteil> I don't meet the PMP requirements (yet) hence the choice between CAPM and CSM
03:08 < DLSteve> I don't have any certs :(
03:08 < Casteil> and my boss keeps prodding me to let the company pay for a certification
03:08 < mal_will> So you know you will want a PMP one day?
03:08 < mal_will> CAPM earns you CPEs towards PMP, right? or no?
03:08 < Casteil> mal_will: -shrug- ...I just know my current job and the universe itself seems to be urging me in that general direction and I'm not exactly inclined to resist
03:09 < DLSteve> I can't be a PM. I look at the Spreadsheets ours use and my mind melts.
03:09 < Casteil> CAPM is sorta like a Juior PMP
03:09 < mal_will> I'm personally inclined to like PMP more because I know how much work it is
03:09 < mal_will> PMP/CAPM
03:10 < DLSteve> Not so much the work as it is the type of work.
03:10 < mal_will> CAPM is just a two day class and a test, I think
03:10 < Casteil> that's CSM
03:10 < mal_will> right, I'm saying them too much
03:10 < DLSteve> There is a resion I go for DevOps type jobs, I hate doing things manually :P
03:10 < Casteil> CSM is a two day class and a 35 multiple choice "exam" where you only have to answer 24 correctly
03:11 < mal_will> If you only get one training, you might as well make it the big hitter?
03:11 < Casteil> I feel like I've got a mind for risk assessment/management but I'm a little lacking on the prerequisites for the CRISC cert
03:11 < mal_will> buy CSM later since it's cheaper, if you end up wanting it. I think that's what I'd do
03:11 < Casteil> actually I think CSM is more expensive lol
03:11 < Casteil> it *requires* the class
03:11 < Casteil> the in-person class, and is like $1000-1400
03:12 < Casteil> technically for CAPM I think all you need is the exam which is like 3-400 or something
03:12 < mal_will> doesn't CAPM have a membership or something to buy though?
03:12 < mal_will> I guess it's not that bad
03:13 < Casteil> The CAPM® exam is changing on 21 May 2018.
03:13 < Casteil> yuck
03:13 < mal_will> shit, $300 for CAPM.
03:13 < mal_will> I want CAPM now.
03:13 < Casteil> >To maintain your CAPM, you must retake the exam every five years.
03:13 < mal_will> 5 is nice
03:13 < Casteil> that's probably preferable to maintining bullshit 'credits'
03:13 < Casteil> yeah
03:13 < mal_will> I tried SANS CPEs and omg, they're so shit
03:14 < Casteil> I think CSM is like X number of continuing education credits every 2 years or something
03:14 < mal_will> bunch of webinars about products, and the sales person for that product will hound you so hard
03:14 < Casteil> haha.. right?
03:14 < Casteil> "I signed up for educational content, not to get nagged by your guys relentless shit"
03:15 < mal_will> last one I got: "why did you sign up?" "I didn't think it was an ad."
03:15 < Casteil> the fact that the exam is changing in may is a little annoying
03:15 < mal_will> the guy was like: sorry, bye
03:15 < mal_will> Do they have the newest books out yet?
03:15 < Casteil> 4 weeks of prep is not much for CAPM I think
03:16 < mal_will> do you PM at all now?
03:16 < suttin> cryptic1: butts
03:16 < Casteil> mal_will: I've been point on this software project for the last year plus
03:16 < Casteil> that's not to say the "team" is big
03:16 < DLSteve> I deflect PMs hounding me for project status if that counts.
03:17 < mal_will> Do you use a software to manage the project?
03:17 < mal_will> depending on what you use, you may have enough prereq knowledge already.
03:17 < DLSteve> What software is there?
03:17 < Casteil> I'm basically a business analyst/QA/jira admin that gathers & defines requirements for my engineer to execute, then test to make sure he delivered the expected
03:18 < mal_will> I use Jira because I love me a good kanban
03:18 < Casteil> yeah, jira's kanban is very nice and what we use
03:18 < mal_will> there;s also uh, Asana, and Salesforce
03:18 < Casteil> lets just say I survived a very premature (unavoidable) company wide deployment of this in house sales/service software
03:18 < DLSteve> We use VSTS for kanban.
03:18 < suttin> servicenow kanban :|
03:19 < Casteil> that premature launch happened right about a year ago
03:19 < DLSteve> suttin, I'm sorry.
03:19 < DLSteve> suttin, They tried to get us to use that lol.
03:19 < Casteil> I advocated at least another 3 months but we had to leap due to shit circumstances
03:19 < mal_will> https://www.testprepreview.com/capm.htm here's one practice test
03:19 < suttin> DLSteve: its better than nothing, and I have a jira board if I want to track something not in service now, but the whole company uses service now
03:20 < mal_will> csm is harder to find...
03:20 < mal_will> https://www.test-questions.com/csm-exam-questions-01.php
03:20 < DLSteve> suttin, Our whole company uses service now as well. We are the only department that doesn't. A lot of teams use post-it notes on the wall as well.
03:21 < mal_will> those don't require an email up front, but I didn't take the full tests
03:21 < mal_will> beware
03:21 < Casteil> mal_will: Yeah.. my PM experience is "seat of the pants" acquired on the job working at a small business
03:21 < suttin> DLSteve: id say jira > servicenow > postits > nothing
03:21 < suttin> I do like trello too, but I'm only using it to keep track of house work
03:22 < mal_will> Some of it is really intuitive, but also my mom was a PM for a long time
03:22 < mal_will> she went with PMP
03:22 < DLSteve> I honestly liked Post-it notes the best as a dev, super simple to work with.
03:22 < mal_will> try them tests Casteil ? I'd like to know which you like more
03:23 < suttin> I really don't mind servicenow kanban, if there is something I'm working on that needs another teams attention, its just a click away from being out of my queue. I don't have to convert it from one to another
03:23 < mal_will> Salesforce's excuse for a kanban is a tire fire
03:23 < DLSteve> Yah I get assigned random crap in it.
03:24 < suttin> salesforce has a kanban board?
03:24 < suttin> fuckin why
03:24 < mal_will> "whiteboard"
03:24 < mal_will> It's so ass, dude
03:24 < DLSteve> I don't bother with it as I'm not going to track tasks in three different kanban boards.
03:24 < mal_will> It takes like 5 minutes to load, the filters are glitchy and dragging and dropping is just useless somehow
03:24 < Casteil> mal_will: getting PMP after being PM for a while is pretty much the natural progression really
03:25 < mal_will> For sure, with their hefty as fuck hour requirements
03:25 < mal_will> 7,500 hours leading and directing projects
03:25 < mal_will> 35 hours of project management education
03:25 < Casteil> yep lol
03:25 < Casteil> I'll be at 7500 in.... another 2.5 years :X
03:25 < DLSteve> We are suposed to track hours in VSTS, I just put whatever makes the burnchart go down lol.
03:26 < mal_will> I'm working on security certs this year, but I'm honestly thinking of getting CAPM next year
03:26 < DLSteve> What do you have to do for a security cert?
03:26 < mal_will> I'm doing sec+ next week, GCED in June, and CISSP in July
03:27 < DLSteve> I technically work in InfoSec.
03:27 < DLSteve> is it mainly network security?
03:27 < suttin> Weeeeeechat relay
03:27 < mal_will> orly?
03:27 < mal_will> GCED is pretty holistic. CISSP too
03:27 < mal_will> sec+ is kind of whatever. I haven't actually read the bood tbh
03:27 < mal_will> book*
03:28 < DLSteve> Ah ok, so I specialize in Identity Management, specifically at the provisioning and application levels. Things like Authentication and Authorization.
03:28 < mal_will> Like Ping?
03:28 < DLSteve> Yah we use Ping.
03:29 < mal_will> neat!
03:29 < suttin> what ddns service should I use for my ddwrt router?
03:29 < DLSteve> 1.1.1.1
03:29 < DLSteve> It's the new hotness.
03:29 < voidstar> hurricane electric works alright
03:29 < suttin> I am testing that out for regular dns
03:30 < DLSteve> oh dynamic DNS
03:30 < DLSteve> I have used DynDNS in the past for that.
03:30 < mal_will> ^
03:31 < mal_will> dittos
03:31 < suttin> it looks like hurricane electric is free?
03:31 < voidstar> yessir
03:31 < suttin> he it is
03:32 < suttin> its really only for my weechat relay, so I don't need support or anything
03:32 < DLSteve> I need to figure out how to use my MSDN Azure credits with my personal account.
03:34 < Casteil> hmmmm
03:34 < suttin> voidstar: do I need to have a domain?
03:34 < Casteil> what're some good, widely known examples of clientside single-page-application type webapps?
03:35 < voidstar> yeah, he only provides dns I believe
03:35 < DLSteve> Like a site that uses it?
03:35 < DLSteve> Netflix is one. Facebook uses React as well.
03:35 < voidstar> if you want a ddns provider that will give you a subdomain, dyndns will be the next best option
03:36 < voidstar> last time I used it, that was free
03:36 < suttin> I can buy a domain for like 4 bucks a year
03:36 < suttin> or shit, there are some that are .88 a year
03:36 < DLSteve> suttin, Make sure to check the renewal rate.
03:37 < voidstar> ^
03:37 < DLSteve> some are super cheap the first year then go up to $24 - 50
03:37 < suttin> does namecheap do that?
03:37 < DLSteve> yup
03:37 < suttin> boohiss
03:37 < DLSteve> Namecheap shows the renewal price right under it though.
03:38 < suttin> why are .ai domains so expensive
03:38 < suttin> also looks like im getting an .xyz domain
03:39 < DLSteve> It's up to the registrar of the TLD to set prices.
03:39 < voidstar> looks like the government of anguilla wants to get whatever revenue they can
03:39 < DLSteve> follow in the foot steps of https://abc.xyz/
03:41 < voidstar> or switch domains every year to chase the promotions
03:41 < suttin> ^
03:43 < suttin> $1.17 later
03:44 < Jay-Ros> howdy folks
03:45 < Ayeitzabee> G'day ja
03:45 < Ayeitzabee> Jay-Ros, *
03:45 < Jay-Ros> I'm having a good morning!
03:45 < suttin> oh shit i can sign my doamin with dnssec
03:45 < suttin> fuck dnssec
03:46 < Jay-Ros> Rocked up to the data center with a new NAS ready to plug in
03:46 < Jay-Ros> fired up all four gigabit ports, reconfigured the fourth for the correct IP
03:46 < Jay-Ros> bam! iSCSI targets reestablished in twenty seconds, rocking and rolling
03:49 <+CheckYourSix> Nice
03:52 < Jay-Ros> then I had another issue to deal with there - the ILO on our VMWare esx host was not working
03:52 < Jay-Ros> so I needed to migrate all the servers over to the secondary, reboot into ilo and configure the DRAC for the right IP address
03:53 < Jay-Ros> ...my boss is saying "you want me to migrate them for you" and i said "nope, totally fine, I'll do it there
03:53 < Jay-Ros> ...turns out the idiot that was there last time was limp wristed and didn't plug the ethernet cable in fully
03:53 < Jay-Ros> *click!* - DRAC reconfigured, no migrations necessary
03:54 < bomb> lol
03:55 < bomb> he didn't check after he tried to plug the ethernet cable unsuccessfully?
03:55 < suttin> oh well fuck i have to wait up to 48 hours
03:55 < sideup66> LMFAO
03:56 < suttin> sboo hiss
03:56 < sideup66> L
03:56 < sideup66> M
03:56 < sideup66> F
03:56 < sideup66> A
03:56 < sideup66> O
03:56 < sideup66> so according to sirius
03:56 < sideup66> for my radio for the year, they want 243 for the year next year
03:56 < suttin> sideup66: did you tell them to go suck a hobos dick?
03:56 < sideup66> lol fuck that, going to spotify for 10 a month
03:56 < sideup66> oh i will be
03:56 < sideup66> i had it for a year last year (drove an hour every day so used the shit out of it)
03:56 <+CheckYourSix> Sirius XM is garbage
03:56 < E-werd> found Bawls Ginger at the local grocery today, picked it up all excited
03:56 < sideup66> but now with a short commute fuck that
03:56 < sideup66> spotify is so much cheaper
03:56 < E-werd> havent had Bawls in years
03:56 < sideup66> and the same if not better
03:57 < E-werd> fridge for a bit, put in freezer for 30 mins or so to finish cooling it down
03:57 < Jay-Ros> bomb - nope, captain half-ass didnt do it properly
03:57 < E-werd> get it out, open top, fucker freezes nearly down to the bottom
03:57 < E-werd> right before my eyes
03:57 < Jay-Ros> ...the NAS i replaced (upgraded from 4tb to 20tb) also didn't have the screws to hold the chassis together
03:57 < Jay-Ros> just lazy.
03:58 < sideup66> yeah im not keeping it CheckYourSix , i just prepaid the year last time, i kknow sucker, but i drove 20k miles in a year with it
03:58 < sideup66> so i used the shit out of it
03:58 < bomb> Jay-Ros: i can relate to this one lol
04:00 <+enix> https://xkcd.com/1975/
04:00 <+enix> 10/10
04:01 < sideup66> though i did decide im renewing the car's botnet services
04:01 < sideup66> its 100 bucks for the whole year
04:01 < sideup66> and has remote services (remote start form an app, track it if stolen, etc)
04:01 < sideup66> also the emergency thing is nice
04:01 <+enix> the cars bot net services
04:01 <+enix> what hacker level car are you driving
04:02 <+enix> a fucking pfister invader or some shit
04:02 < suttin> any modern car that has an internet connection
04:02 <+enix> YOUR CARS HAVE INTERNET WTF
04:02 < sideup66> 2017 hyundai sonata
04:02 < sideup66> yep
04:02 < suttin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK0SrxBC1xs
04:02 < sideup66> 4g
04:02 <+layer-eight> YouTube Hackers Remotely Kill a Jeep on the Highway—With Me in It by 2015-07-21T10:30:33.000Z (duration: 5:07) on Tue Jul 21 17:30:33 UTC 2015, 2015-07-21T10:30:33.000Z views
04:02 <+enix> So your car.. has internet
04:02 < sideup66> enix: that or does wifi, headunit does music things through it too
04:03 < sideup66> and yes, in a very involved and complex way
04:03 < sideup66> wasnt just done remotely, they modified the car first in that example.
04:03 < suttin> I bet they could just drop something on the odbp port
04:04 < sideup66> need physical access
04:04 < sideup66> so id know the car was broken in
04:04 < sideup66> and search it.
04:05 < mal_will>  the jeep kill took a ton of lead time though
04:05 < mal_will> and unattended access to the car internals
04:05 < sideup66> thats my point
04:05 < DrGibby|> hi fam
04:05 < sideup66> in the meantime whats nice in those services is crash safety
04:05 < sideup66> yes, the car has android auto/bluetooth
04:06 <+enix> So your car has internet
04:06 < sideup66> but if i crash for instance, at high speed, and my phone flies god knows where, how am i going to call 911
04:06 <+enix> and it sucks
04:06 < sideup66> and bluetooth
04:06 < sideup66> sure
04:06 <+enix> sideup66: light a candle in the nearest church window
04:06 < sideup66> but if my phone just smashed into the dash and shattered?
04:07 < mal_will> but if the car crashes so hard it breaks it's nic or other equipment that makes the call possible?
04:07 <+enix> broooo
04:07 < sideup66> mal wil, doesnt matter, second the airbag deploys it calls.
04:07 <+enix> this customer jus tinstalled a google toolbar in IE then safely ejected his USB
04:07 <+enix> What year is this
04:07 < mal_will> It takes a mere second to snap a nic
04:08 < mal_will> gotta be a blackbox sitch
04:08 < DrGibby|> hey cryptic1 +v pls?
04:08 <@cryptic1> whaaaaaaaaaat?
04:08 < DrGibby|> pls
04:08 < suttin> hey cryptic1 +v please
04:08 < suttin> pls
04:08 <@cryptic1> voice is not just given out here
04:08 <+suttin> !nominate DrGibby|
04:08 < DrGibby|> :(
04:08 <+suttin> !nominate DrGibby| he loves you
04:09 <+suttin> rekt
04:09 < DrGibby|> !submit-oprequest
04:09  * cryptic1 sets +b DrGibby|*@!*
04:09 < DrGibby|> :(
04:09  * cryptic1 kicks DrGibby| 
04:09 <+enix> naw
04:09 <@Nostalg14c> Morning.
04:09 <+DrGibby|> :)
04:09 <+DrGibby|> <3
04:09 < mal_will> that was a roller coaster
04:09 <+enix> Nostalg14c: morning!
04:09 <+suttin> Nostalg14c: sup
04:09 <@cryptic1> hey Nostalg14c :D
04:09 < sideup66> sure
04:10 < Jay-Ros> Nostalg14c - Hello!
04:10 < sideup66> i get that mal_will but the unit is also in the passenger compartment, so for that to have happened, it needs to have penetrated
04:10 < mal_will> or crushed
04:10 < sideup66> im dead at that point because the entire dash crushed me.
04:11 < mal_will> also, it does need to be able to establish the call-that's a few moments
04:11 < sideup66> would need to be a bad crash to do that
04:11 < mal_will> does it send your coordinates all through the day?
04:11 < mal_will> JIC?
04:11 < sideup66> no idea mang
04:11 < sideup66> but i know they work
04:11 < sideup66> when my coworker wrecked he was still dazed and already connected with someone talking to him
04:11 < mal_will> Makes me want to test the limits
04:12 < Gibby> !nominate DrGibby|
04:12 < sideup66> and its pretty quick i think, i have fat fingered the button a couple times (emergency button which is mounted on the mirror) while adjusting it lol
04:12 < Jay-Ros> does it connect to emergency numbers or directly to the manufacture call service?
04:12 < sideup66> and they said something about it
04:12 < sideup66> when i was like oh shit and pressed end call
04:12 < Jay-Ros> You can generally throw a sim in a device and make an emergency call without having a connected mobile service in it, so it's potentially utilising that functionality
04:13 < mal_will> Oh man, imagine hyundai goes under
04:13 < mal_will> do they have a moral responsibility to continue their onstar service?
04:14 <+DrGibby|> onstar is owned by hyundai?
04:14 < mal_will> idk
04:14 < mal_will> *onstar*
04:14 < sideup66> onstar is gm
04:14 <+DrGibby|> I dont think so
04:14 < mal_will> *magic person in the button*
04:14 < sideup66> nah that co is going nowhere
04:15 < sideup66> and im not sure, id think it might still work
04:15 < sideup66> but its technically *NOT* 911
04:15 < sideup66> basically like a security system
04:15 < mal_will> I just wonder about it. or if you keep your car 20 years
04:15 < sideup66> its cellular, so as long as 4g is a thing i think itll work
04:15 < mal_will> do they start charging yearly for that? have to tell you to get antennae upgrades
04:15 < mal_will> that makes sense
04:16 < sideup66> or maybe swap sim
04:16 < sideup66> but 100 bucks for that peace of mind and remote service including remote start
04:16 < sideup66> which is like 2 bucks extra for the year
04:16 < mal_will> remote start is dope
04:16 < sideup66> yeah
04:17 < sideup66> can do that, lock doors, turn on lights, tell me where it is
04:17 < sideup66> geofence
04:17 < sideup66> speed limit
04:17 < sideup66> does alot
04:17 < mal_will> I love push to start and seat warmers, too. heated side view mirrors, mmm
04:17 < Jay-Ros> do a barrell roll?
04:17 < mal_will> not on purpose...
04:17 <+enix> my car has an engine
04:17 < Jay-Ros> damn
04:17 <+enix> it goes broom
04:17 <+enix> when its not broken
04:17 < Jay-Ros> eix- my car has two wheels
04:17 < Jay-Ros> enix*
04:17 <+enix> Jay-Ros: lol
04:18 < mal_will> mine has feet. It's me!
04:18 < Jay-Ros> if I put my two motorcycles next to each other, I have a car, right?
04:18 < Jay-Ros> so my car has TWO ENGINES!
04:18 < mal_will> only if you tape them real tight
04:18 <+enix> :O
04:18 <+enix> cables ties or nah
04:18 < Jay-Ros> mal_will - if there's one thing I'm good at, it's taping things up real tight
04:18 < sideup66> but yeah it isnt terrible for the year price wise mal_will so im thinking why not just renew
04:18 < sideup66> came with a trial when i bought it
04:19 < mal_will> how much per year?
04:19 < sideup66> 102 for it this year
04:19 < sideup66> if i renew
04:19 < mal_will> >.> Jay-Ros
04:19 < sideup66> and thats the big package, without remote its 99
04:19 < mal_will> I'd do it
04:19 < sideup66> also kinda cool
04:19 < Jay-Ros> sideup66 - the big package is always worth it
04:19 < sideup66> if its stolen its basically lojacked
04:20 < sideup66> if its moving they can limit the speed
04:20 < sideup66> and ping it and send police toi t
04:20 < sideup66> it
04:20 < Jay-Ros> sideup66 - worst car to steal in Die Hard 5 - Keep dying
04:22 < sideup66> wat
04:22 <+enix> sideup66: just nod and agree
04:22 < Jay-Ros> Bruce Willy steals a car in a chase... car starts belting at 20 miles an hour
04:27 < mal_will> so PEAP
04:28 < mal_will> sounds cute to say
04:29 <+DrGibby|> like POOP
04:29 <+DrGibby|> sounds cute to say
04:34 < sideup66> fuck
04:34 < sideup66> i gotta call them tomorrow
04:34 < sideup66> do it during lunch
04:34 <+enix> DO IT BITCH
04:34 <+DrGibby|> who
04:34 < Jay-Ros> Make it happen
04:34 < Jay-Ros> we believe in you
04:34 < sideup66> because now im confused about this blue link shit
04:34 <+enix> LETS SEE SOME ACTION
04:34 < Jay-Ros> Don't let your dreams be dreams!
04:35 <+DrGibby|> MAKE IT SO NUMBAH WHAN
04:35 <+DrGibby|> DONT LET YOUR MEMES BE MEMES
04:35 <+enix> a { color: #fff; text-decoration: none; }
04:35 < sideup66> wut
04:35 <+enix> DrGibby|: calm down picard
04:35 < Jay-Ros> fuck that enix. Turn those text-decorations on!
04:35 <+DrGibby|> ENIX EAT A BAG OF DIC KK?
04:35 < sideup66> but im confused as hell at this price thing, because when i select to add the other thing for like a dollar, it shows in their graph i have no time with that service
04:35 < sideup66> so....wtf is going on
04:36 <+enix> Jay-Ros: a { color: #fff; border-bottom: 1px double; }
04:36 < Jay-Ros> You guys need to turn this conversation down to a cruisy lower caps and upper case noun level
04:36 < sideup66> but if i buy two years t shows i have one year
04:36 < sideup66> grrrrrrrr
04:36 < sideup66> okay
04:36 < sideup66> ill have to call em tomorrow
04:36 < Jay-Ros> sideup66 - do they have email support?
04:36 <+DrGibby|> JAY-ROS: WHY DO YOU NEED LOWER CAPS M8?
04:36 <+DrGibby|> ARE YOU NOT *COOL*?/
04:36 < sideup66> yeah
04:37 < sideup66> either i can do that, sit in my car and press the button to call them
04:37 < sideup66> or dial the number
04:37 < sideup66> and i need to camp with a laptop
04:37 < sideup66> not doing that
04:37 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby| what's the saying? Caps lock is cruise control for cool, but you still need to learn how to drive properly
04:37 < sideup66> DrGibby|: cruise control requires steering.
04:37 <+DrGibby|> JAY-ROS: WHEW LAD
04:38 < sideup66> gah okay
04:38 < sideup66> anyway
04:38 < mkillebrew> I thought the bell character was cooler
04:38 <+DrGibby|> NOT WHEN YOU HAVE A TESLA.
04:38 < mkillebrew> does bell even work on your idiot clients?
04:39 < sideup66> man
04:39 < sideup66> if they are gonna make that like 200 eat a bag of dicks im not renewing for that
04:39 < sideup66> 100....now that i can justify
04:39 < Jay-Ros> mkillerbrew - they're just called 'clients' now. The idiot saturation has left the specific nomenclature to be deemed redundant
04:40 < mkillebrew> irssi is still amazing
04:40 < sideup66> well, thats done, NEXT
04:40 <+DrGibby|> irssi4lyfe
04:40 < sideup66> call those ppl tomorrow
04:40 < mkillebrew> I don't know what you jerks use
04:40 < mkillebrew> probably some windows horseshit
04:40 < sideup66> weechat
04:40 < mkillebrew> I didn't ask
04:40 <+DrGibby|> weechat is for chumps
04:40 < sideup66> hexchat?
04:41 < sideup66> mirc?
04:41 < Jay-Ros> I use hexchat
04:41 <+DrGibby|> hexchat is for chumps
04:41 <+suttin> weechat is where its at
04:41 <+DrGibby|> mirc is for losers
04:41 < mkillebrew> mirc is still a thing?
04:41 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby| you watch your whore mouth
04:41 <+suttin> ^weechat is for chumps
04:41 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby| Hexchat it absolutely acceptable
04:41 <+DrGibby|> Jay-Ros: and is for chumps
04:41 < mkillebrew> is it gui?
04:41 < mkillebrew> because gui for text only is unacceptable
04:42 <+DrGibby|> because GUIs are for chumps
04:42 < Jay-Ros> silly rabbit, chumps are for kids
04:43 < mkillebrew> don't try to be clever, you're terrible at it
04:43 < Jay-Ros> me?
04:43 < Jay-Ros> yeah, I'm better looking than I am charismatic
04:44 <+DrGibby|> Jay-Ros: so bad at both
04:44 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby| yeah, but I purchase large condoms because they're more comfortable
04:45 < Jay-Ros> regular size are too tight
04:45 < mkillebrew> it just gets worse
04:46 <+DrGibby|> Jay-Ros: we call those vaginal condoms and its because you enjoy getting fucked
04:46 < mkillebrew> who doesn't though
04:46 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby| 'we'?
04:46 <+DrGibby|> Jay-Ros: everyone except you, apparently.
04:46 < Holo> lol
04:47 < mkillebrew> I insist on using the royal we in format emails.
04:47 < Jay-Ros> do you mean 'We'?
04:48 < mal_will> I use trashbags. the lawn and leaf size
04:48 <+DrGibby|> fucking lol
04:48 < mkillebrew> because you have a huge tumor where your penis should be?
04:48 <+DrGibby|> super thick black plastic
04:48 < mkillebrew> they're not supposed to look like that
04:48 <+DrGibby|> just shove it all in there
04:48 < mkillebrew> that's not an attractive image to cultivate
04:49 < mkillebrew> "hey guys, I'm hideously disfigured"
04:49 < mal_will> It gets a lot of hits on tinder.
04:49 < mal_will> not me. It
04:49 <+DrGibby|> irl laughing
04:49 < mkillebrew> with a fucking baseball bat maybe
04:50 <+DrGibby|> aaaayyyyy
04:50 < mkillebrew> under ever increasing panic
04:50 < mal_will> lol
04:50 < mal_will> that's what...your mom...didn't do
04:50 < mkillebrew> what the fuck is wrong with you
04:51 < mal_will> well I have a huge tumor in my crotch region
04:51 < mkillebrew> don't answer rhetorical questions
04:51 < mal_will> I do what I want
04:52 <+DrGibby|> if there is a trashbag used as a condom, I don't really think there is cause for panic, a lot more than a baseball bat is going to fit
04:52 < mal_will> I bet trashbags do get used as condoms. at least once a month, somewhere in the world
04:52 <+DrGibby|> I hate to admit this
04:53 < mal_will> newspaper bags...
04:53 < mkillebrew> people think you can shower off AIDS, of course people wrap their junk in trash bags
04:53 <+DrGibby|> but I know of a couple who used a chip bag
04:53 < mal_will> DrGibby|: is it...is it you?
04:53 <+DrGibby|> on a bus, during a band trip
04:53 < mkillebrew> you should stop knowing these people.
04:53 <+DrGibby|> it was most certainly not me
04:53 <+enix> so there's this book a british spy wrote. it was one of the biggest/first online copyright issues for printed media
04:53 <+enix> anyone remember it
04:54 <+DrGibby|> and they were not-dummers so I def don't know them now
04:54 <+enix> Ah spycatcher
04:54 < mal_will> back in my day, people just did anal. because you can't get pregnant off anal, and that's the worst that can happen from unprotected sex, right?
04:55 <+enix> chicks these days dont want to do anal because "it hurts"
04:55 <+DrGibby|> tru.dat
04:55 <+enix> bitches wear heels all night tho
04:55 <+DrGibby|> uhh
04:55 <+DrGibby|> no true
04:55 <+enix> do all that waxing and shit to their bodies
04:55 <+DrGibby|> but..
04:55 <+enix> all this other shit
04:55  * DrGibby| whistles 
04:55 < mkillebrew> well yeah, if they don't prep and the guy just does it spur of the moment
04:55 < mkillebrew> that's a terrible idea
04:56 <+enix> Most chicks I've met don't even want to do the prep
04:56 < mal_will> heels are a little different than anal
04:56 <+DrGibby|> lol
04:56 <+DrGibby|> mal_will++++
04:57 <+DrGibby|> mkillebrew: have you ever walked in heels before?
04:57 <+enix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Keeler
04:57 <+DrGibby|> Or better yet, 'prep' before being boned?
04:57 < mal_will> has DrGibby|
04:57 <+enix> Not exactly who I would call a topless show girl
04:57 <+enix> not one i want to see
04:57 <+DrGibby|> I have
04:57 <+DrGibby|> and I will never again
04:57 <+DrGibby|> heels, that is
04:58 <+DrGibby|> not the boning part. Not a fan of it, but I wont yuck on someone elses yum
04:58 < mal_will> who is Christine Keeler in all this?
04:59 < mal_will> She pretty https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/12/06/obituaries/keeler1/merlin_90658741_ea038138-a731-4311-9b5b-2af3681a7730-master768.jpg
05:01 < Casteil> mal_will: Gah. CAPM exam is getting revamped on May 21st
05:01 < mal_will> yee?
05:02 < Casteil> so a lot of the existing CAPM learning content is effectively now out of date
05:02 < mal_will> the new books aren't out yet?
05:02 <+enix> mal_will: high end british prostitute the prime minister pimped out
05:02 < Casteil> >Four new sections in every Knowledge Area.
05:02 <+enix> in the 60s iirc
05:02 < Casteil> >Agile/adaptive considerations from chapters 5, 6, 7, 9, and 10.
05:02 <+enix> and yeah thats her on the right
05:03 < Casteil> sounds like a lot of minutiae
05:03 < mal_will> IME, the old books still teach you, it's just the question wording that changes Casteil, at least for things like CompTIA and Msoft.
05:03 < Casteil> https://www.pmi.org/certifications/types/certified-associate-capm/exam-prep/changes
05:03 < mal_will> ah enix I searched the page for anal and when nothing came back I was confuse
05:04 < Casteil> dunno, the changes they're describing sound.. not insubstantial
05:04 <+DrGibby|> can I be a certified jigglo?
05:04 < mal_will> Casteil: 6th edition is out tho https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=pmbok+guide+sixth+edition&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=214411084286&hvpos=1t1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=8421257885759669678&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9060268&hvtargid=kwd-363530883800&ref=pd_sl_6qol5ydqex_e
05:05 < Casteil> it'd be nice to get the cert in a month, but I feel like that might be pretty tight with something like CAPM
05:05 < mal_will> Nah man, the 6th edition is for the post May 21 test
05:05 < mal_will> you can get that now, take the tes in June or whatever
05:06 < mal_will> You're 100% golden
05:06 < Casteil> well..
05:06 < Casteil> there's a lot of existing practice tests for the current exam
05:07 < mal_will> sok, the book has practice tests. Or at least the 5th edition did
05:07 < mal_will> and the material for this doesn't change THAT much
05:07 < Casteil> lol @ the complains about the counterfeiting measures on that book
05:07 < Casteil> tons of watermarking and shit
05:07 < mal_will> uh
05:07 < mal_will> ugh*
05:08 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/ohNTuXQ.png
05:08 < mal_will> I've been doing Kindle for textbooks lately, on a side note. Man that is just fucking magic
05:08 < Casteil> yeah.. kindle version might be preferable
05:08 < mal_will> I remember lugging an A+ book everywhere, about 6 years ago
05:09 <+DrGibby|> a buddy and I have a pact that if we need to bail on a situation we send a text with a specific word
05:09 <+DrGibby|> just got one
05:09 < mal_will> now it's on my phone and computer and etx.
05:09 < Casteil> 970 pages of fuck though
05:09 < mal_will> everything that makes you money is a pain in the ass
05:09 < Casteil> hehe
05:09 < mal_will> what now, DrGibby| ?
05:09 <+DrGibby|> she's alright
05:09 <+DrGibby|> just needed to egt out of one of those situations
05:10 < Casteil> kinda shitty you don't get the kindle edition when you buy the paperback
05:10 <+DrGibby|> get*
05:10 < mal_will> I say this as I put off reading my own textbook...
05:10 < Casteil> that's always really bothered me about buying hard copy books
05:10 < mal_will> bad date or something? DrGibby|
05:10 <+DrGibby|> but ffs, must have been in a shit situation to text 'nazi' to me
05:10 <+DrGibby|> mal_will: yeah, I think so
05:10 < LemWork> yays
05:10 < LemWork> mIRC at work ^_^
05:10 <+DrGibby|> mIRC?
05:11 < mal_will> ditto Casteil
05:11 <+DrGibby|> wot that?
05:11 < LemWork> DrGibby| the best IRC client there is :-P
05:11 <+DrGibby|> ...
05:11 < mal_will> SANS gives you both hard and digital copies
05:11 < Casteil> I LOVE having a physical library to showcase what I've read, but I always prefer to actually read on kindle
05:11 <+DrGibby|> LemWork: did you pay for it?
05:11 <+DrGibby|> and winrar too?
05:11 < mal_will> especially in bed-kindle is best in bed.
05:12 < Casteil> the damn kindle version of the book is $58, and you don't get any sort of discount if you buy the physical
05:12 <+DrGibby|> buy the physical
05:12 < Casteil> usually this leads to me buying the hard copy and pirating the kindle version :X
05:12 < Casteil> 'pirating'
05:12 <+DrGibby|> I'd rather have the book
05:12 < Casteil> can't CTRL+F a book dawg
05:12 < mal_will> I've been doing this thing-instead of taking notes, I just highlight what I need on the page, and page tab stuff I think will be useful later. I kind of recommend it Casteil , if you're looking to change up study habits
05:12 <+DrGibby|> Casteil: read it better and you can
05:13 < Casteil> 'read it better' doesn't give you magic computational powers
05:13 < Casteil> nice try though
05:13 <+DrGibby|> k
05:14 < Casteil> apparently the PMP and CAPM read is the same though
05:14 < LemWork> DrGibby| yes I paid for it, and no I didn't pay for WinRAR... because 7zip is soo much better
05:14 < LemWork> and I donated to 7zip
05:17 <+CheckYourSix> Why is 7zip better than WinRAR?
05:17 < mal_will> Google Play, I need you to understand, I hate Portugal the Man
05:17 <+suttin> foss
05:17 < Casteil> jesus... PMBOK 6th ed is also like 150 pages longer than PMBOK 5th
05:18 <+suttin> hey, has anyone installed powercli for powershell on a linux box?
05:29 < Ayeitzabee> Ugh
05:29 < Ayeitzabee> God dam end users
05:30 <+suttin> end users are the worst
05:32 < Ayeitzabee> Specially when they copy client data unencrypted onto a USB and give it to people
05:34 < voidstar> USB ports aren't globally disabled in your org?
05:35 < mal_will> we have software that makes you encrypt usbs to even look at them
05:35 < Ayeitzabee> USB pass-through to XenDesktop and XenApp are, but the local PC is not
05:35 < mkillebrew> DrGibby|: why, would you like to see me in heels?
05:36 < mal_will> Aw man, a recruiter sent me senior O365 analyst position to look at, but it's with Dish Networks. nuh.
05:37 < mal_will> I'd work a lot of places, but Dish is not one of them
05:41 < Holo> hahaha
05:46 <+suttin> so I have in my ddwrt log, Thu Apr 5 05:43:00 2018: I:INADYN: Alias '<hostname>' to IP '<127.0.0.1>' updated successfully.
05:46 <+suttin> does that mean ddns is working?
05:46 <+suttin> i just need to wait for dns to propigate?
05:47 < mkillebrew> to 127.0.0.1? ...
05:47 <+suttin> no, its my home network ip
05:47 <+suttin> but I'm not putting that in irc
05:47 < voidstar> does the dashboard for your ddns provider reflect that ip?
05:48 <+suttin> no
05:48 <+suttin> i think i need to add an a record
05:48 <+suttin> yes
05:48 <+suttin> I had no A record published
05:48 < mal_will> Windows 10 is a garbage OS
05:49 < Casteil> your face is a garbage os
05:49 < mal_will> true, but I stand by what I said
05:49 < voidstar> suttin, don't forget to enable ddns on that record
05:49 < mkillebrew> you're both right
05:49 <+suttin> HUZZA!
05:49 < mkillebrew> windows is a garbags OS for garbage people
05:49 < Casteil> what exactly makes windows 10 a garbage OS
05:49 <+suttin> voidstar: yeah there was a nice little checkbox for that
05:49 <+suttin> its checked now
05:49 < voidstar> (y)
05:50 < mal_will> On friday, it crashed on me and wouldn't startup. I repaired it. On staurday, it kept asking to install creators update, then failing, then demanding a restart
05:50 <+suttin> fuck yeah, ddns is working 42 hours sooner than i thought
05:50 < mal_will> I reloaded it again, now it's saying my razor blade stealth, a 2016 computer that came with 10 can't run Windows 10
05:50 < mal_will> now it's been Getting Windows Ready for 45 minutes.
05:50 < Casteil> huh
05:51 < mal_will> I just need to do some fucking labs
05:51 <+suttin> mal_will: install arch
05:51 < Casteil> I've been using windows 10 ever since it was available
05:51 < Casteil> even having "upgraded" a windows 8.1 install (which was previously a windows 8.0 install..), my windows 10 experience has been, for all intents and purposes, flawless
05:51 < mal_will> I've been building images for about 10 years now. I know windows more than I know myself
05:51 < genr8__> dont let it update itself and thats that
05:52 < mal_will> I'm ready to install CentOS again. or maybe Kali, its not like I use this computer for anything but VM ware
05:52 < mal_will> I tried genr8__
05:52 < sideup66> ugh google voice
05:52 < mal_will> It just sepukku'd itself in protest
05:52 < sideup66> why are you so cucked
05:52 <+suttin> mal_will: arch linux
05:53 < genr8__> he cant handle the linux
05:53 < genr8__> when you get windows 10 you have to go at it with a hacksaw
05:54 <+suttin> hows that different from arch?
05:54 < genr8__> if he cant stop windows from bricking itself, he cant stop himself from self-bricking arch
05:54 <+suttin> oh truth
05:55 < xe0n> only 10 years mal_will lol
05:55 < genr8__> most people by now i think have adapted to consider reformatting windows a normal process
05:55 < mal_will> my entire adult life
05:56 <+suttin> its easier
05:56 < The_Dv8or> sup
05:56 < genr8__> so every time an OS update does come and it bricks, they just reformat and waste a day. then its good till the next update
05:56 < sideup66> hmmm
05:56 < mal_will> I've never had a computer do this before
05:56 < sideup66> this is bull
05:56 <+suttin> genr8__: 5 minutes trying to google the issue, reboot, reimage
05:56 < The_Dv8or> genr8, great reason to go to VDI
05:56 < mal_will> Now it's just frozen.
05:56 < sideup66> cant forward an email in gmail to google voice without email verification
05:56 < sideup66> gvoice doesnt get the verification
05:56 < genr8__> maybe the hard drive took a shit ?
05:57 < mal_will> I mean, you should be able to just freshly install windows and have it work. It's not like you have you rub your butt on it clockwise
05:57 < sideup66> =\
05:57 < mal_will> hard drive tests fine
05:57 <+suttin> mal_will: don't give microsoft any license ideas
05:57 < mal_will> :|
05:57 <@JollyRgrs> mal_will: of course not
05:58 <@JollyRgrs> it's reverse threaded
05:58 < mal_will> I sincerely wonder about planned obsolescence and shit
05:58 <@JollyRgrs> gotta rub it counter-clockwise
05:58 < mal_will> my bad JollyRgrs
05:58 < mal_will> Is windows dcikslapping me for never doing the creator's update?
05:58 <+suttin> yes
05:58 < genr8__> those updates shouldnt be called updates. their entire OS reinstalls
05:59 < mal_will> "She's just a lab machine! She's not made for this kind of update!"
05:59 < genr8__> all your programs and .MSI's get re-accessed and stuff
05:59 < xe0n> theircalled feature upgrades, CUs are updates...
05:59 < genr8__> sure, but thats not so clear
05:59 <@JollyRgrs> mal_will: at least cortana didn't "all of a sudden" stop working on 1703 which is about 1000 strong in your fleet
05:59 < mal_will> All my work computers have encryption software that makes loading a vm from USB impossible. but, by fuck, I've got Google Drive.
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> fresh image? broken... fresh image, no domain join and disconnect internet before setting up PC finishes the basic install.wim? still broken
06:00 < mal_will> This is no time for ghost stories JollyRgrs
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> ok
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> goodnight then
06:00 < genr8__> Davy Jones locker
06:00 < mal_will> I used to Stan windows so hard
06:01 < sideup66> anyone know a free voip service out there
06:01 < sideup66> i wanna use google voice
06:01 < sideup66> but its so feature cucked
06:01 < sideup66> because project fi is a thing
06:01 <+suttin> google voice
06:01 <+suttin> get project fi
06:02 < sideup66>  need mail relay
06:02 <+suttin> you could setup your own sip trunk
06:02 < sideup66> voice doesnt have it, tried to setup gmail to do it with a forward rule, cant get verification code
06:02 < sideup66> never did that but ive considered
06:02 <+suttin> google doesn't send verifcation codes to the web interface
06:02 <+suttin> it will only go to the physical phone
06:02 <+suttin> found that out the hard way
06:03 < mal_will> you still fucking with that?
06:05 < sideup66> suttin: yeah it would help if i would get the damn message
06:05 < sideup66> but voice just doesnt recieve it
06:05 < sideup66> so i cant verify the suedo relay
06:06 <+suttin> do you have hangouts installed on a phone?
06:07 < sideup66> not currently, should i install it?
06:07 <+suttin> it might be worht a shot
06:07 < sideup66> does it cost anything to roll a sip trunk and stick a number on it
06:08 <+suttin> its like 5 bucks one time
06:08 < sideup66> i see and that of course has a number
06:08 < sideup66> thing is it needs an email relay too namely
06:08 < sideup66> its for automated alerts primarily
06:08 < sideup66> so they dont bomb the shit out of my phone
06:10 <+suttin> yeah I have no idea
06:10 <+suttin> get a text app that can mute or delete texts from a number?
06:12 < sideup66> yeah thats the ticket probably and what the other guy on byod does
06:12 < sideup66> has a priority app
06:13 <+suttin> android has priority mode built in
06:13 <+suttin> just gotta star who you want to be able to call you
06:16 < sideup66> yeah but bombing my phone i feel like kills battery
06:16 < sideup66> eh
06:22 <+suttin> k night
06:23 <+suttin> was a productive night, got weechat relay up, got ddns configured
06:24 <+suttin> now to see if I can get to my relay while at work :D
06:33 < MikeSpears> woo, HP is replacing a 2810-24G with a 2530-24G (the 2530 is newer)
06:33 < MikeSpears> and quieter
06:40 < Casteil> fuuuuuuucking raccooons
06:40 < Casteil> GET OFF MY ROOF
06:40 < MikeSpears> lol
06:41 < Casteil> I wish my grandpa hadn't asked for his pellet gun back
06:41 < Casteil> now I'm going to have to go buy one
06:41 < Casteil> I'm done getting woken up in the middle of the night by those fucks on my roof
06:41 < Casteil> and I'm not about to use an actual rifle on them on my roof lol
06:42 < Casteil> my luck though I'll shoot one on my roof and manage to kill it on the spot, and have to deal with a fuckin dead raccoon on my roof lol
06:44 < mkillebrew> I used a live trap and just released them in the neighborhood across the street
06:45 < mkillebrew> they very infrequently cross busy streets, so your neighborhood is their neighborhood
06:46 < Casteil> lulz
06:46 < mkillebrew> city raccoons live something like twice as long as country raccoons, too
06:46 < Casteil> yeah, I could probably do that
06:47 < mkillebrew> although the leading cause of mortality in them is rabies
06:47 < Casteil> though I find myself lacking live traps
06:47 < mkillebrew> ordered mine on amazon, like most everything
06:47 < Casteil> and one of those bastards was pretty big
06:47 < Casteil> that was the one that was hunkered down in a little nook and I hit it with a pebble
06:48 < Casteil> probably 40 pounds if I had to guess
06:49 < Casteil> I've seen a huge opossum on my deck ip cam too
06:50 < mkillebrew> why does your place attract so much wildlife
06:50 < Casteil> probably close to 3 feet long with the tail
06:50 < Casteil> eh, lots of woods
06:51 < mkillebrew> apparently raccoon-proofing is big business in Japan
06:51 < Casteil> I wouldn't care so much if those god damn raccoons weren't climbing on my roof
06:51 < mkillebrew> they're not at all native to there, but people bought them as pets after some cartoon or something, and they've really faken over
06:51 < Casteil> or screeching and howling at like 3am
06:51 < mkillebrew> *taken
06:51 < Casteil> (that might be the opossums screeching)
06:52 < mkillebrew> I've just heard raccoons chirp mostly
06:52 < Casteil> regardless, the random screeching and noise of something on my roof in the middle of the night has been waking me up often lately and I'm getting pretty tired of it :X
06:53 < mkillebrew> To keep squirrels from trying to chew their way in, I just cut the trees back form the house.
06:55 < Casteil> I haven't had any issues with 'invasion'
06:56 < Casteil> not sure why the raccoons have been getting up there, they probably feel safe or are just foraging
06:56 < mkillebrew> It's spring, baby raccoon time. Mothers will have many nests and move around nightly with her babies
06:56 < Casteil> the main trunk of that tree is like 2 feet from the house though so it's going to be hard to do anything else besides cut it down or put a big 'dog collar' on it
06:57 < Casteil> yeah.. didn't see any babies
06:58 < Casteil> and from what I've noticed they're usually only up on the roof for a few minutes
06:58 < mkillebrew> maybe they're just fucking with you then
06:59 < Casteil> https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-action/model-1894/model-1894-csbl
06:59 < Casteil> oh man, 357 mag version of the 1895 SBL
06:59 < mkillebrew> if you like cleaning up dead rabies carriers
07:01 < Casteil> yeah lol, that's why I'm sorta hoping I can just shoot one and have it run off and die in the woods >.>
07:01 < Casteil> my luck I'd just drop it on the spot right on my roof
07:01 < Casteil> (also.. not proposing to shoot it with a real gun)
07:02 < Casteil> you know... that thing only having a 6rd capacity is kind frickin weak
07:02 < mkillebrew> peanut butter and a live trap is alwaya effective with raccoons, little fuckers love peanut butter
07:02 < Casteil> 357 mag is a lot shorter than 45-70... and the 18" "Scout" 45-70s have 6rd mags \
07:05 < Casteil> yeah it's like they intentionally designed it to only hold 6 despite the tube being plenty long enough to hold more
07:05 < Casteil> the 1894 SBL is 44 mag, several inches shorter overall and still holds 6 rds
07:08 < Casteil> oh shit, I don't need to spend money on a new gun right now buuuuuut... brownells has a $50 off coupon that works on the Sig P365 bringing it down to $460 shipped
07:13 < Casteil> oh nice they charge once it ships
07:13 < Casteil> straightface.jpg
07:13 <+enix> general manager literally sitting behind me
07:13 <+enix> cant vape at desk
07:14 <+enix> cant bludge
07:14 < mkillebrew> I was going to order a BM-59 earlier today, ended up buying a lens instead
07:14 <+enix> because he's *watching*
07:14  * enix shudders
07:14 < Casteil> camera lens?
07:14 < mkillebrew> yarp
07:14 <+enix> thats shutters
07:14 <+enix> not shudders
07:14 <+enix> fucking hell Casteil
07:14 < Casteil> what one? ... that reminds me - I've got an 8mm fisheye I need to sell
07:14 <+enix> get with the program mate
07:14 < mkillebrew> figured I'd get more use out of that, the BM-59 would spend most of its life in a bigass safe with lots of others
07:14 <+enix> Casteil: i'll give you five dollary doos
07:14 < mkillebrew> an 85/1.8 for my A7
07:16 < Casteil> fancy
07:17 < Casteil> I barely use my dslr these days
07:17 < mkillebrew> yeah I ditched my DSLR and went mirrorless, easier to tote around
07:17 < Casteil> usually only when I'm trying to take nice glamor shots of stuff (i.e. when selling or showcasing some work)
07:17 <+enix> i use it to make pornos
07:18 < Casteil> welp... I backordered that P365
07:18 < mkillebrew> striker nonsense
07:19 <+enix> acknowldge me goddamnit
07:19 < Casteil> $140 below MSRP for what's probably going to be the best subcompact for the next decade
07:19 < Casteil> won't get billed til it ships either so that's nice
07:20 < mkillebrew> meh
07:20 < Casteil> pff
07:20 < Casteil> u jelly
07:20 < mkillebrew> nah, i don't like striker pistols
07:20 < Casteil> to each his own
07:20 < Casteil> shit goes bang
07:20 <+enix> So I'm sniffing nicotine vapours to get me through work
07:20 < mkillebrew> I've a stack of 1911s and USPs, carry a usp
07:21 <+enix> striker pistol
07:21 < Casteil> I'm kind of reluctant to carry a gun without a manual safety, but that's mostly psychological
07:21 < mkillebrew> yeah that's nonsense, a proper holster is all you need
07:21 < Casteil> it's going to live in a holster with the trigger protected anyway
07:21 < Casteil> anyway; p365 is sweet now with the xray tritium sights and that size:capacity ratio can't be beat
07:22 < mkillebrew> I gave my mom a Kahr CW45 for carry, they make nice pistols if you want something tiny
07:22 <+NinjaStyle> blughhhhh
07:22 < mkillebrew> though single stack
07:22 <+NinjaStyle> single stack makes carry so much better
07:23 < Casteil> vs what exactly? a chunky full size g17
07:23 < mkillebrew> it does, thickness is harder to conceal than length
07:23 <+NinjaStyle> yeah I can't do the thickness. I'm not a thick enough guy
07:23 < Casteil> lol
07:23 < Casteil> either am I
07:23 < mkillebrew> it took me a bit to get used to a thick USP instead of a narrow 1911. Always carried fullsize though
07:24 < Casteil> I could carry my PX4 in the winter with heavier clothes but not in the summer
07:24 < mkillebrew> thin people can conceal bigger pistols easier, no love handles, they tuck right in at about the 4:00 position
07:24 <+enix> do you guys like
07:24 <+enix> carry these guns to work
07:24 <+NinjaStyle> I do
07:24 <+NinjaStyle> !seen rkeene
07:24 < mkillebrew> carry everywhere
07:24 <+NinjaStyle> .seen rkeene
07:24 <+enix> .seen rkeene
07:24 <+layer-eight> rkeene was last seen Parting from #reddit-sysadmin 2 weeks 10 hours 44 minutes 33 seconds ago.
07:24 <+layer-eight> rkeene was last seen Parting from #reddit-sysadmin 2 weeks 10 hours 44 minutes 33 seconds ago.
07:24 <+NinjaStyle> wtf
07:25 <+NinjaStyle> I hope he is ok
07:25 <+enix> yeah I noticed that
07:25 < Casteil> I don't know what'll happen with my M&P Shield
07:25 <+enix> NinjaStyle: msg him he's actually like.. connected to freenode
07:25 < Casteil> it'll probably live in my car
07:25 <+abakedapplepie> hes probably on some ridiculous month long pedantic vacation
07:25 < Casteil> also
07:25 <+abakedapplepie> hes fine im sure
07:25 < mkillebrew> shield is trash
07:25 < Casteil> those fucking raccoons just walked by again -.- set my motion light off on my deck
07:25 < mkillebrew> feed it to a shredder
07:25 <+enix> So wait so you get to work, you have this gun in your pocket
07:25 < Casteil> mkillebrew: reliable trash that has never failed me
07:26 <+enix> what? do you put it on the desk for comfort or do you just leave it in your pocket ?
07:26 < mkillebrew> holster
07:26 < mkillebrew> wtf is wrong with you
07:26 <+abakedapplepie> i have had a few client visits in detroit
07:26 <+abakedapplepie> wish i had a company glock
07:26 <+enix> So ya'll just walking around work all day with a gun strapped to you?
07:26 < Casteil> abakedapplepie: haha
07:26 <+abakedapplepie> and by detroit i mean not the good part
07:26 < Casteil> we have a new location near detroit
07:26 < mkillebrew> I work from home, but yes
07:26 < Casteil> not detroit proper though
07:26 <+abakedapplepie> Casteil: who is we
07:26 < mkillebrew> gun goes in holster, and you just ignore it all day
07:27 <+abakedapplepie> and are they hiring
07:27 < Casteil> not telling, and yes
07:27 < Casteil> but not currently any IT or software :P
07:27 <+abakedapplepie> -well wtf
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> pocket carry a Glock 43 here too
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> gun goes in pocket in the morning
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> gun comes out of pocket to go in nightstand at night
07:27 <+enix> So you guys are telling me that you all just go to work, in office-like jobs, walking around datacentres and shit, with fucking guns on your belt
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> I mean, yeah
07:27 <+abakedapplepie> i had a visit to knoxville few years back
07:27 < Casteil> enix: at least 3
07:27 <+abakedapplepie> my coworker brought his piece with us
07:28 < mkillebrew> why is that so hard to beliefe
07:28 <+enix> Is this some kinda reverse "riding my kangaroo to work" joke
07:28 < mkillebrew> *believe
07:28 < Casteil> usually a rifle slung over my shoulder, a sidearm and a backup ankle gun
07:28 < ThatOneRoadie> I've gone shooting with the bulk of the office workers in my job
07:28 < ThatOneRoadie> we take hard drives to be decomm'd
07:28 < ThatOneRoadie> and occasionally really nasty printers
07:28 < Casteil> jk.. most workplaces frown on concealed carry/weapons in the workplace
07:28 < Casteil> mine stays in my car
07:28 <+enix> ThatOneRoadie: that actually sounds cool
07:28 < mkillebrew> holster goes on in the morning, pistol goes in it, comes out when I take a shower and go to bed
07:28 < mkillebrew> it's not a complex concept to grasp
07:28 < ThatOneRoadie> "Decomm'd" with .30-06 from a couple hundred yards away
07:28 < Casteil> ThatOneRoadie: that reminds me
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> mkillebrew: get a glock and take it to the shower with you
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> only real way to clean a Glock
07:29 <+enix> Like I can believe it, I just can't comprehend sitting there all day with a gun in your pocket or on a holster
07:29 < Casteil> my boss and I were going to go Office Space on the server that holsted the software solution that we ended up replacing with our own in-house software
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> It's a Glock 43, it's almost smaller than my iphone 6s
07:29 < mkillebrew> nobody fucking puts it in their pocket
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> srsly https://i.imgur.com/0EwCHZA.jpg
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> I never know it's there
07:29 < Casteil> enix: sorry FREEDOM scares the shit out of you
07:29 < ThatOneRoadie> mkillebrew: mine's actually in my pocket.
07:29 < Casteil> (trololo)
07:29 <+enix> ThatOneRoadie: that's mad
07:29 < Casteil> Glock 43 is a turd
07:30 < mkillebrew> well that's just silly
07:30 <+enix> Casteil: no issue with guns, no issue with freedom
07:30 < ThatOneRoadie> <3 stickyholsters
07:30 < Casteil> stupid capacity, stupid size
07:30 < ThatOneRoadie> Casteil: that's 7+1 right there
07:30 <+enix> It's literally never really hit me that americans go to work carrying guns
07:30 < Casteil> Sig P365 > Glock 43
07:30 <+enix> like this is a revelation to me
07:30 < mkillebrew> https://i.imgur.com/eokwLG4.jpg   this has been my carry for a while now
07:30 < Casteil> ThatOneRoadie: Sig P365 is SMALLER. and 10+1 FLUSH mount
07:30 < ThatOneRoadie> oh sure the P365 is fine as long as you only need to shoot one bullet
07:30 < ThatOneRoadie> P365 is fatter by a ton
07:30 < Casteil> mkillebrew: yeah haha, that's way too much gun for me
07:30 < ThatOneRoadie> bad choice for pocket carry
07:30 < Casteil> ThatOneRoadie: uh, no?
07:31 < mkillebrew> you get used to it
07:31 < Casteil> Sig P365 is 1.0 inches wide
07:31 < Casteil> G43 is 1.06
07:31 < mkillebrew> and people just don't notice even if you really print hugely
07:31 < Casteil> so, virtually identical width wise
07:31 < ThatOneRoadie> P365 is 1.06
07:31 < ThatOneRoadie> G43 is 1.02
07:31 < Casteil> OVERALL WIDTH
07:31 < Casteil> 1.0 in (26 mm)
07:32 < ThatOneRoadie> yeah, not according to people with guns and calipers :P
07:32 < ThatOneRoadie> 1.0 in at the top of the slide maybe
07:32 < Casteil> anyway
07:32 < Casteil> your hands aren't fucking calipers and you're not going to notice 0.04 inches
07:32 < ThatOneRoadie> and yeah, I wouldn't buy a gun with FTF and drop issues for daily carry
07:32 <+enix> Casteil: thats what she said
07:32 < ThatOneRoadie> I pull the trigger, it goes bang every time
07:32 < ThatOneRoadie> come hell or high water
07:32 < mkillebrew> I carry OWB but with my shirt pulled over it most the time, https://www.galcogunleather.com/combat-master-belt-holster_8_4_1063.html
07:33 < Casteil> Glock is 0.2" longer and right about the same height too
07:33 < Casteil> and again... p365 is a 10 rd flush mag
07:33 < ThatOneRoadie> I'm betting the sig grip is a fair bit wider too
07:33 < ThatOneRoadie> no way did they fit double-stack in 1.00 inches
07:33 < Casteil> that's what's so crazy about it
07:33 < ThatOneRoadie> not without seriously comprimising feeding
07:33 < ThatOneRoadie> which, to be fair, with all the FTF/FTB issues, they may have done
07:34 < Casteil> they did it while maintaining a smaller size than most subcompacts
07:34 <+enix> I googled ftf issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HouqZxCC2gk
07:34 <+layer-eight> YouTube FTF - Issues ( Music Video ) by 2017-04-24T00:56:30.000Z (duration: 3:22) on Mon Apr 24 07:56:30 UTC 2017, 2017-04-24T00:56:30.000Z views
07:34 < mkillebrew> failure to feed
07:34 < ThatOneRoadie> and failure to battery
07:34 < Casteil> ThatOneRoadie: frankly, I think there was probably a lot of overreaction to the p365 issues
07:35 < ThatOneRoadie> I mean, one or two FTB's or light strikes every couple thousand rounds? that's okay
07:35 < mkillebrew> is enix like 8 or something?
07:35 < ThatOneRoadie> One every other magazine, on multiple reviews by multiple reviewers? nah
07:35 < Casteil> and I've seen a number of post-fix p365 reviews/vids of people very happy with them
07:35 <+enix> no mkillebrew, enix lives in a country without guns so this is all very interesting to me
07:35 < Casteil> someone shot 1000+ rds through a new p365 without a single failure
07:35 < ThatOneRoadie> Took my G43 and G21 to the range, they both easily have over 2000 rounds each through them and have never once failed in any way
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> and I don't baby them
07:36 < mkillebrew> oh, so coddled by your government, and not your mother still
07:36 < Casteil> cool story bro, chances are the new p365 will do the same :P
07:36 <+enix> mkillebrew: exactly. guns kill apparently
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> maybe so, but The same thing happened to the p320
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> new gun, huge pile of issues
07:36 < mkillebrew> I should hope so, they were designed to
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> I'll give it a year
07:36 < Casteil> look at any fucking gun ever
07:36 < ThatOneRoadie> Glock?
07:36 < Casteil> the first batches will have kinks.
07:37 < ThatOneRoadie> My G43 is a first run
07:37 < ThatOneRoadie> same with my G21G4
07:37 < mkillebrew> Can't be worse than a Nambu
07:37 < ThatOneRoadie> hey, it could be a taurus
07:37 < ThatOneRoadie> Shake-n-bake!
07:37 < mkillebrew> or a Taurus 24/7 where the frame cracks and they say "oh no, that's fine"
07:37 < mkillebrew> Taurus revolvers, 1911s, and 92 models are fine though
07:37 < mkillebrew> and their carbines are enjoyable
07:38 < Casteil> http://www.gunssavelife.com/product-review-glock-43-a-6-45-malfunction-rate/
07:38 < Casteil> according to that the glock 43 had a 6.5% malfunction rate
07:38 < Casteil> "glock 43 issues" About 1,010,000 results (0.34 seconds)
07:39 < Casteil> "sig p365 issues" About 56,900 results (0.41 seconds)
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> lmao
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> yay personalized search results and confirmation bias :P
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> I wish I could find the video of the taurus rifles they exported and sold to Brazil or somewhere like that
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> that fired every time the trigger moved
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> pull the trigger, bang
07:39 < ThatOneRoadie> release the trigger, also bang
07:40 < mkillebrew> now you have to pay extra for a binary trigger
07:40 < Casteil> I just love having 10+1 in a package smaller than my Shield (7+1)
07:40 < ThatOneRoadie> AHA there it is https://v.redd.it/lgkvqr006ic01
07:40 < Casteil> rather, love the idea... haven't actually received my p365 :P
07:41 < mkillebrew> 12+1, I win
07:41 < Casteil> (it was only $460... my new kitchen floors can wait a while yet)
07:41 < ThatOneRoadie> 1300 of 1500 recalled
07:41 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
07:41 < ThatOneRoadie> https://redd.it/7t8x3v
07:42 < ThatOneRoadie> Issue: Barrels exploding. Taurus response: Dynamic tactical distraction.
07:42 < ThatOneRoadie> Issue: Mags falling without pressing release button. Taurus response: Expedited reload mechanism.
07:42 < ThatOneRoadie> Issue: 3 or 4 round bursts with one trigger pull on single fire weapons. Taurus response: Context-based fully automatic capability.
07:42 < ThatOneRoadie> hahahaha
07:43 < Casteil> I should go to bed... it's almost 2am
07:43 < ThatOneRoadie> If only Sig could get the barrels in the same latitude as...
07:43 < ThatOneRoadie> well...
07:43 < ThatOneRoadie> the rest of the gun
07:43 < Casteil> wut
07:43 < ThatOneRoadie> I wonder if that was part of the issues with the P365
07:44 < ThatOneRoadie> Barrel so high there's too much flip unless you have an iron grip
07:44 < Casteil> er.. p365 barrel axis really isn't that high?
07:45 < ThatOneRoadie> Eh, the G43 is too
07:45 < ThatOneRoadie> compare it to anything medium-sized or better and it's right at the top of the slide
07:45 < ThatOneRoadie> but any modern subcompact is
07:46 < Casteil> who knows, I might cancel my p365 order
07:46 < Casteil> I don't really *need* it but $460 is probably the best price I'll see for the foreseeable future
07:47 < nojeffrey> Can the latest version of Server2016/Group Policy or an ADMX template push out a font these days?
07:51 <+enix> what areas are you guys from
07:53 < xe0n> aus
07:55 <+enix> https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Austin-TX/pmf,pf_pt/55299485_zpid/10221_rid/globalrelevanceex_sort/30.651499,-97.325135,29.932919,-98.246613_rect/9_zm/
07:55 <+enix> bruh fuck aus
07:56 < Casteil> fuck your real estate market, and fuck your 1001 ways to die too
07:57 <+enix> I would legit move to america if it werent for family
07:57 <+enix> out company had a position open in omaha and I was like 'daaaaaaaaamn'
07:57 <+enix> very tempted
07:57 < sadbox> enix: who wants to live in omaha?
07:58 <+enix> well it was in nebraska about five hours from omaha
07:58 <+enix> and I would... because grom squad
08:02 < xe0n> aus aint that bad lol!
08:03 < Casteil> xe0n: except if you ever want to buy a house
08:03 < packeteer> fo sho
08:03 < Casteil> and... there's fuckall in nebraska
08:03 < packeteer> aus represent
08:04 < Casteil> you can literally drive for HOURS in any direction in nebraska and see absolutely nothing but cornfields
08:04 < xe0n> Casteil: only in some places, where i've relocated too, property is quite cheap
08:04 < packeteer> we've only had 2 snake deaths this year!
08:04 < xe0n> haha
08:05 < Casteil> xe0n: 'some places' aka the places where 80% of the population of australia lives
08:05 < xe0n> there was a snake caught in the bathroom 10min from me the other week haha
08:05 < nojeffrey> also aus, and no one has died from a spider bite in like 30 years
08:05 < nojeffrey> snakes yes, spiders no
08:06 < packeteer> horses are the highest killer
08:06 < xe0n> LOL
08:06 < Casteil> I think cassowaries register on australia's most deadly creatures list
08:07 < packeteer> hahahah, probably
08:07 < packeteer> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-17/horse-more-likely-to-kill-you-than-bees-wasps-snakes-spiders/8188842
08:07 < Casteil> The Guiness Book of World Records lists the cassowary as the world's most dangerous bird.
08:07 <+enix> well well well I guess menix cant talk on this channel
08:08 <+enix> oh quit wth
08:08 < packeteer> carn, we all know Emus will fuck shit up
08:09 < Casteil> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AA2LkrR0_dw/maxresdefault.jpg god damn asshole dinosaur birds
08:10 < Casteil> my biggest 'fear' here is skunks
08:10 < Casteil> the raccoons and opossums are just annoying
08:10 < LemWork> holy fuck balls is the samsung laptop support website horribad
08:10 <+enix> yuhp
08:10 <+enix> avoid like aids
08:10 < Casteil> sleep time though... it's past 2 and I do have to work today
08:12 < humpaxx> Morning peeps
08:14 < packeteer> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-05/fairmont-express-forviges-man-after-17-year-ban/9621234 <- lol++
08:18 < plop> morning
08:20 <+enix> packeteer: jesus that guys got some bad luck ay
08:21 <+enix> plop: g'day mate
08:21 < plop> how's day looking enix?
08:21 <+enix> fucked mate
08:21 <+enix> botheredness plummeted
08:21 <+enix> how baout yourself
08:22 < plop> calm before the storm.
08:23 <+enix> thats the worst because you become complacent then BOOM
08:23 < xe0n> boom boom boom
08:23 < plop> shake shake
08:24 < xe0n> click click click
08:24 < xe0n> BOOOOOOM
08:24 < plop> yeah... but i'm used to it. got 2 LARTs in my drawer.
08:24 <+enix> ?
08:24 < xe0n> think he meant farts
08:24 < xe0n> he stores them in his drawer
08:24 < plop> go DIY a lart
08:25 <+enix> is this more american gun slang
08:25 < ceofreak> good morning
08:25 < plop> sup ceofreak
08:25 <+enix> harro
08:25 < plop> lart stands for Luser Attitude Rectification Tool
08:25 < plop> and looks like this
08:26 < plop> https://bastardadmin.wordpress.com/tag/lart/
08:26 <+enix> LOL
08:26 <+enix> havent heard/seen that one... i like it
08:27 < ceofreak> I really need that weekend
08:27 < plop> enix, i believe amazon sells some haha
08:27 < plop> ceofreak, anything fancy this weekend?
08:28 < xe0n> i've got a fidget box thing i play with when im bored
08:28 < xe0n> keeps me entertained
08:28 < ceofreak> Na man, gaming, biking, drinking
08:28 < ceofreak> the plan so far
08:28 < plop> xe0n, does it click click?
08:28 < plop> ceofreak, good plan so far.
08:29 < plop> I want to get FFXV for windows but i still have work to do at home so.. i'll wait till i'll finish
08:29 < ceofreak> youll wait forever
08:29 < ceofreak> :D
08:30 < ceofreak> I still  need to catch up on the last ... 4? Final Fantasy's
08:30 < xe0n> does a few tings, click click, rolls a ballbaring, has some buttons to press
08:30 < xe0n> its pretty cool, and annoying, but it keeps me entertained
08:30 < plop> ceofreak, heh
08:30 < plop> xe0n, i need to procure myself one unit of those fidgety things
08:31 < xe0n> yeah i use it when im busy, find myself messing with it while doing whatever lol
08:31 < plop> xe0n, is one of those cubes?
08:31 < plop> https://www.amazon.es/Fidget-Juguete-Alivia-Ansiedad-Adultos/dp/B01N0ZUJ0C/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1522909875&sr=8-14&keywords=fidget+cube
08:32 < ceofreak> what the fuck is this
08:32 < plop> something to keep you entertained.
08:32 < ceofreak> like...porn?
08:32 <+enix> I got over fidget cubes/spinners and went back to vaping at my desk tbh
08:32 < plop> like porn
08:33 < ceofreak> Cool! So I understand it
08:33 <+enix> https://wirewatcher.wordpress.com/2015/06/16/hackfu-2015-the-badgening/
08:34 < xe0n> vaping at your desk lol!
08:34 < xe0n> at work?
08:34 < xe0n> at home, yeah i smoke cones at my desk too :P
08:34 < xe0n> LOl
08:35 < Ayeitzabee> God I love Symantec so fucking much
08:35 < Ayeitzabee> Works super wall ALL the time
08:36 < xe0n> I dont miss SEP
08:36 < Ayeitzabee> s/wall/well'
08:36 < xe0n> lol
08:36 <+layer-eight> Ayeitzabee meant: "Works super well' ALL the time"
08:37 < Ayeitzabee> Get this right, I have a distro list that I just created, can send emails to it in internally fine. Checked the address with the symantec delivery test and it was fine, yet when I try and send and email to it say from gmail it comes back saying the address doesn't exist
08:38 < plop> maybe he's shy
08:41 < xe0n> assuming you're using exchange - have you enabled outside sending to that DL
08:41 < xe0n> I typically dont with our DLs
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> Hey everybody, lets all go to Symantecs support page to get their number :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> https://support.symantec.com/en_US/contact-support.html
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> Awww fuck off it wasn't working 5 seconds ago ;_;
08:43 < plop> Ayeitzabee, that's what happens usually. luser asks for help. you check and it is already working
08:44 < Ayeitzabee> If you click the support link on the webpage it doesn't work, but if you copy and paste it into the browser it works fine
08:44 < plop> lol
08:44 < Ayeitzabee> God I can not deal with Symantec
08:44 < Ayeitzabee> Makes me mad just thinking about calling the pricks
08:44 < Ayeitzabee> 'Cause I know what is going to happen
08:45 <+enix> 1 800 342 0652
08:45 < Ayeitzabee> "Sorry sir but your not registered to talk to us" "Oh really, because I have already registered with you guys 6 times now"
08:45  * Ayeitzabee fumes
08:46 < humpaxx> Is anyone here that uses Exchange have online having problems with sending to shared mailboxes?
08:46 < Ayeitzabee> Yup
08:46 < Ayeitzabee> Well only to a new one
08:46 < Ayeitzabee> But I think mine issue is caused by symantec
08:46 <+enix> https://wirewatcher.wordpress.com/2013/11/08/when-worlds-collide/
08:47 < xe0n> Ayeitzabee: you said DL, not shared mailbox lol
08:47 < Ayeitzabee> I recreated it and it still no worky
08:47 < Ayeitzabee> Fucking NBN making me switch to a e-fax solution
08:48 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee: Ok, this mailbox has existed for a few weeks and since this morning im seeing RESOLVER.ADR.ExRecipNotFound both when mailing from external and internal mail adresses
08:49 < Ayeitzabee> Have you checked what email addresses are mapped to that shared mailbox humpaxx
08:52 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee: yep, looking in the O365 console, and no changes has been made lately
08:52 < Ayeitzabee> Well step 1. Find the nearest fuel can
08:52 < Ayeitzabee> Step 2. cover self in petrol
08:53 < Ayeitzabee> Step 3. Light self on fire
08:53 < Ayeitzabee> Step 4. ??????
08:53 < Ayeitzabee> Step 5. Profit!
08:55 < Ayeitzabee> All Symantec tests pass: https://imgur.com/TVmTvQT Yet I still can't send it mail ;_; : https://imgur.com/aLU7Ipm
08:55 < plop> brb
09:09 < mrWhiteMD> GLORY TO THE ROBOTS !
09:09 < mrWhiteMD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaY7vohLXK4
09:09 <+layer-eight> YouTube Compressorhead - Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana Cover) (live in Moscow, Russia) by 2014-05-23T06:03:57.000Z (duration: 4:18) on Fri May 23 13:03:57 UTC 2014, 2014-05-23T06:03:57.000Z views
09:17 <+enix> PlatonicForms: DID YOU EVER COME BACK
09:20 < plop> back
09:21 <+enix> wrong pl<tab>
09:21 <+enix> so i have two options
09:21 <+enix> pretend to myself that I'll work on my resume/applying for jobs tonight or go to the apple store and try convince them that I didnt water damage my ipad
09:21 <+enix> because really... I didn't. It got a single fucking drop of moisture near it and carked it. A $1000 ipad. ffs.
09:25 < plop> just go to apple store
09:32 <+enix> urgh
09:32 <+enix> alright im going
09:32 <+enix> bye
09:37 < nohusuro> lol Ayeitzabee don't think you hid enough info in that screenshot
09:41 < Reverend> morning dick'eds
09:42 < Reverend> enix if you can get it open, you can replace the water damage stickers inside
09:43 < Reverend> or... just go to the apple store and go "runno. fix pls."
09:50 < MikeSeth> > ipad people problems
09:55 < LemWork> <MikeSeth> > ipad people are problems <--- FTFY
09:56 < MikeSeth> not in this joint
09:56 < MikeSeth> "we don't support apple products"
09:57 < MikeSeth> i also want to reiterate how awesome Thor Heyherdall is
09:58 < MikeSeth> well, was
10:00 < humpaxx> Man i feel horrible right now
10:01 < plop> what is going on humpaxx
10:02 < humpaxx> a Microsoft tech helped me fix a problem and i agreed to the survey thing after the call but their stupid phone system wouldn´t register my key presses from my phone
10:02 < humpaxx> I got great help but couldn´t leave feedback :(
10:10 < ihre> .bofh
10:10 <+layer-eight> ihre, BOFH says: SIMM crosstalk.
10:16 < humpaxx> Dem timeouts
10:16 < ceofreak> sup Ihre
10:16 < ceofreak> da fook is happening
10:17 < ihre> split time?
10:17 < ihre> hey ceofreak
10:17 < ihre> figuring out some dnscrypt-proxy shit in combination with dnsmasq
10:18 < ceofreak> this sounds terrible
10:18 < ceofreak> :D
10:19 < ihre> some queries w/ dig are failing downstream, like dig dnscrypt.info, which in turn works fine on the router where dnscrypt-proxy is running ><
10:19 < ceofreak> I'm building a IPsec site to site lab with pfsense
10:20 < sadbox> I am waiting for my world to stop being on fire
10:20 < sadbox> so that I can go to bed
10:21 < ihre> .yt prodigy firestarter
10:21 <+layer-eight> YouTube The Prodigy - Firestarter (Official Video) - https://youtu.be/wmin5WkOuPw
10:24 < mrWhiteMD> I'm the bitch you hated, filth infatuated
10:25 < MikeSeth> ceofreak: ipsec just works (tm)
10:25 < ceofreak> yeah
10:25 < MikeSeth> as long as you have matching crypto settings that is
10:25 < ceofreak> I wanna write a guide
10:25 < MikeSeth> also ipsec is like
10:25 < MikeSeth> "your routing tables lol fuck them and fuck you"
10:25 < ceofreak> got it running for years never failed :D
10:26 < MikeSeth> o/~ we don't need no interfaces
10:26 < ceofreak> But what I really want to do now is go to a beergarden and be drunk before 12
10:26 < MikeSeth> o/~ we odn't need no flow control
10:28 < ceofreak> the internet is being hacked
10:28 < Hunterkll_> Pittsburgh today!
10:28 < Hunterkll_> woohoo
10:32 < humpaxx> Damn google
10:32 < humpaxx> they changed the "badidea" shortcut to "thisisunsafe"
10:32 < Hunterkll_> i miss danger
10:32 < Hunterkll_> :'(
10:32 < Hunterkll_> that was the good old one
10:35 < humpaxx> Hunterkll_: maybe its possible to change it back? I complain instead of looking for a solution
10:35 < Hunterkll_> sure, if you recompile
10:35 < Hunterkll_> iirc it's a variable in the source code
10:39 <+kbni> huzzah
10:49 < Trapdoor> fuck peer
10:49 < Trapdoor> what'd I eve rdo to him?
10:49 < Holo> Trapdoor this https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1522890229074.jpg
11:10 < FenJai> Morn'
11:13  * MikeSeth cleans out nodejs poop from a box
11:51 < x5ecede> hello together, does anyone here have experience with inuvika? they seem interesting as an alternative to XenDesktop/XenApp and Horizon, but it's tough to find reports on it.
11:55 < Popzi> fking PRINTERS!!, would anyone happen to know why no one can print to a printer, unless you restart the damn printer all the time? I've changed just about every bloody setting on this printer to try and fix it >_>
11:55 < Trapdoor> what printer is it?
11:56 < Popzi> Trapdoor: a Samsung CLX-6260 Series printer
11:56 < Trapdoor> I'm sorry
11:57 < Popzi> xd it's so painful!
12:08 < vader-> I had an issue with a bad driver one time that would cause the printer to hang after a person sent a print job
12:13 < Popzi> vader-:  yeah these SEEM to hang when people fill up the printer queue, I'm not sure how to go about getting around that...
12:14 < vader-> Anything on the printer screen?
12:14 < vader-> Mine used to say like memory fulk
12:14 < vader-> Full
12:14 < Popzi> vader-: nope, no jobs queued, nothing, it's like it didnt even get any requests...
12:14 < Popzi> vader-: alot of the times it'll either hang, or say printer offline, or say that there's an error with the printer, but fking print anyway...
12:15 < Popzi> (it only prints for the last one), not if the printers offline or hanging
12:15 < vader-> Does the printer go offline?
12:15 < vader-> Can you still ping it?
12:16 < Popzi> vader-: yeah, according to the users pc, but I can still access its webui, ping it etc all just fine
12:16 < vader-> Curious if there is an IP conflict
12:16 < vader-> But I guess if you can still access the web interface than no
12:16 < Popzi> They're all on manual static ipv4 IPs, and I've reserved their IP's in the router to make sure they dont get taken
12:17 < vader-> And just randomly started happening?
12:17 < vader-> Any windows updates?
12:17 < vader-> Try a firmware update on the printer
12:17 < Popzi> its been going on for a couple of weeks now, pretty much just started hapening, I'll see if there's any new firmware updates
12:20 < x5ecede> Ulteo was apparently merged into Inuvika? Did anyone use it then? I'm trying to find out if I should dedicate more research for them, or if their product is just mostly wishful thinking
12:21 < Trapdoor> I've been asked to compare two computing clusters for performance per dollar
12:22 < Trapdoor> I'm not 100% sure what calculations we're running, but I'm sure they're all floating point calculations
12:22 < Trapdoor> I can just go by cpu, core count and gflops right?
12:23 < Trapdoor> I could probably go so far as to list the instruction sets / extensions for all the cpus listed and measure it that way
12:25 < Popzi> vader-: mmmm I somehow have a higher version firmware than what samsung appear to offr for the CLX-6260 series printers ._.
12:31 < Trapdoor> What the fuck
12:32 < Trapdoor> This one provider has three systems, e5-2680, e5-2667, e3-1270 and they're picked based on availability?
12:32 <+kbni> Alternity: come to vegas and get drunk with awox
12:33 < Trapdoor> Fuck me it's impossible to compare these lol
12:34 < Trapdoor> They claim to have 2.6ghz E5-2680, but they come in 2.4ghz, 2.5ghz, 2.8ghz and 2.7ghz variants
12:36 < Trapdoor> they claim 2.6ghz e5-2667 which doesn't exist
12:36 < Trapdoor> The only system they list with 5000 nodes of e3-1270 at 3.4ghz is the only cpu I can find specs for
12:46 < vader-> weird
13:00 < ceofreak> anyone knows from top of their heads where the option for offline filesync is in GPO?
13:01 < ceofreak> NVM got it
13:05 < ceofreak> Would one enable this in User or in Computer config? what makes more sense
13:16 < vader-> Popzi, I would definitely look at if it's server side, or printer side...
13:16 < vader-> Does everyone print to a print server and then to the printer?
13:17 < Popzi> vader-: There is no printer server, I should probably implement one? (Ive never set one up before!)
13:17 < vader-> i mean you don't really need it if this has been working
13:17 < Popzi> I suspect what may be happening is the printer gets bombarded with print queues from all the users and just freaks out and stops, as when I commonly go to fix it, users often have like 10+ things in their queues
13:17 < vader-> i was going to say there is a check box usually for something like "render print job on client" or some shit
13:17 < vader-> sometimes it can jam stuff up
13:18 < vader-> that can get alittle messy yes
13:18 < vader-> do they have a server there?
13:18 < Popzi> we literally have no servers other than some old laptop which runs our magnetic doors which I'm suprised hasnt caught fire yet
13:19 < Popzi> and a linux vps for our website I use, if that counts
13:22 < meowschwitz> construct additional pylons
13:25 < Popzi> I'll try sharing it from the fire-hazard laptop and making the clients render the print jobs :\
13:36 < JFDkthx> one more day til friday
13:36 < JFDkthx> waited all week for this shit
13:37 < ceofreak> <-
13:37 < meowschwitz> aw yis
13:38 < ceofreak> Furious drinking tomorrow
13:38 < ceofreak> and saturday
13:38 < ceofreak> and today
13:38 < meowschwitz> and sunday
13:38 < meowschwitz> and monday
13:38 < ceofreak> woa woa easy there
13:38 < meowschwitz> orthodox easter best easter
13:38 < ceofreak> Everything eastern europe celebration best celebration
13:46 < starbomba> y'all ready to work tirelessly?
13:46 < Trapdoor> fuck that I'm going home in...
13:46 < Trapdoor> oh wow
13:46 < Trapdoor> 3:14 hours
13:46 < Trapdoor> I've been here for 5 hours already?
13:46 < starbomba> correction: you WERE scheduled to go home in 3:14 hours
13:46 < Trapdoor> time flies when you're actually working
13:47 < starbomba> that's what i keep trying to tell these people!
13:47 < Trapdoor> it feels wrong though
13:47 < Trapdoor> when I play games at work all day time goes by much faster
13:48  * starbomba submits a report to HR
13:48 < enix> NO
13:48 < enix> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
13:48 < enix> WHY
13:48 < Trapdoor> oh you cunt
13:48 < enix> WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS TO ME
13:48 < enix> WHY FREENODE WHY
13:49 <+kbni> git status
13:49 <+kbni> :/
13:49 < Trapdoor> git gud kbni
13:50 < starbomba> ok time to bring down the entire office's internet
13:50 < starbomba> yolo
13:51 < enix> cryptic1 Nostalg14c i had a good run of it
13:52 < Trapdoor> no don't starbomba I'm downloading stuff
13:52 < Trapdoor> for work
13:58 < Trapdoor> rip
14:01 < enix> Well this is the hardest thing i've ever had to do
14:01 < enix> taking suggestions for channel names
14:02 < Trapdoor> ##0
14:02 < Trapdoor> or is it ##,0
14:02 < enix> both registered
14:03 < enix> last used six years ago
14:03 < enix> lame
14:03 < enix> hm #8008 is available
14:03 < enix> nah that's lame
14:03 < Trapdoor> #8005
14:03 < Trapdoor> #80085
14:04 < enix> DrGibby|: sup you around?
14:04 < enix> #8008135
14:07 < enix> how the fuck has spacedicks been around since 2012
14:07 < enix> I feel fucking old right now
14:07 < enix> info #bI wonder why freenode staff took #b and #/b/ hahaha
14:08 < mkillebrew> omg why are you still talking
14:09 < enix> mkillebrew: shut the fuck up
14:09 < DeVito> oh boy is it edgy hour already
14:09 < enix> Yes
14:09 < mkillebrew> iknorite?
14:12 <@cryptic1> morning
14:12 <@cryptic1> edgy hour is over
14:13 < FenJai> enix, Whats the channel for ?
14:14  * DeVito smirks
14:14 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:14 < Trapdoor> "Would you please retrieve them from the back-up?"
14:15 < Trapdoor> fuck you
14:32 < vader-> any of you guys work for an MSP?
14:33 < GreyKite> vader-: abakedapplepie does last time I checked
14:33 < GreyKite> same with precise|tinfoil
14:34 < vader-> Im curious if any of them are around
14:38 < jaelae> i dislike that our san storage volumes are named different for hosts than our actual servers
14:38 < jaelae> makes things exciting though
14:39 < starbomba> i am just excited that things went better than anticipated
14:39  * starbomba self-tweaks nipples
14:39 < starbomba> so, you guys ready for another rewarding 12 hour thursday?
14:40 < DeVito> "sure"
14:40 < starbomba> glad to hear it
14:40 < jaelae> 12 hour thursday?
14:40 < starbomba> now if only cryptic1 would get to work
14:40 < jaelae> who works 12 hours
14:40 < starbomba> who doesn't? this is IT
14:40 < jaelae> i dont
14:41 < jaelae> sounds like a job for suckers
14:41 < starbomba> s/suckers/people who get PAID
14:41 <+layer-eight> jaelae meant: "sounds like a job for people who get PAID"
14:41 < jaelae> i wake up eat breakfast get on my computer at like 830 and then finish at 5
14:41 < starbomba> ah. yes. millennial life
14:41 <@cryptic1> i am working
14:41 < starbomba> i'd say "yolo" but, well, that's not really living, is it :D
14:41 < starbomba> yo cryptic1
14:41 < jaelae> although i do sometimes have to do work at 12am
14:41 < starbomba> how it be
14:41 < jaelae> but definitely no 12 hours
14:41 < Rhaal> jaelae, I left a place where I worked 20h every day on peak delivery
14:41 < starbomba> i have a hankering for tim horton's. how can we make that happen
14:42 < jaelae> i work on automation for servers at work
14:42 < jaelae> so we just automate as much as possible and sleep
14:42 < Rhaal> That's great : ) And, to be honest, 8.30 → 17 is much better regardless of what you're working on
14:43 < starbomba> don't you arrow me
14:43 < jaelae> i did work at a shitty place where i was sole IT
14:43 < jaelae> but i had to get out of there
14:43 < Rhaal> ^
14:43 < Rhaal> Black companies are not the only option
14:43 < starbomba> seriously?
14:43 < starbomba> that's the connection you draw?
14:43 < starbomba> fuck is wrong with you
14:44 < Rhaal> ?
14:44 < starbomba> are you kenrin in disguise
14:44 < jaelae> i believe he is unsure of the meaning of a black company. im not quite sure what that means
14:44 < starbomba> should i be wearing a waffen-SS costume
14:46 < jaelae> alright time to delete a bunch of storage
14:46 < jaelae> hopefully i dont mess up
14:47 < Rhaal> ' w ' Lent the term from Mainichi shimbun, I suppose it doesn't work in english
14:47 < DrGibby|> enix: kinda, what's up?
14:49 < enix> DrGibby|: dw all g man
14:50 < DrGibby|> Rodger dodger
15:05 < alazare619> anyone here play with redhat cockpit
15:05 < alazare619> im seriously suprised all the diffrent things it can do
15:06 < Sarah> good morning
15:06 < alazare619> http://cockpit-project.org/
15:07  * sysDADmin stumbles into IRC
15:07 < enix> hello Sarah
15:08 < asimon> Good morning friend
15:08 < starbomba> dad's drunk
15:08 < DrGibby|> What's new?
15:08 < starbomba> yo gibby
15:08 < starbomba> the fuckin' doctah
15:08 < DrGibby|> Yo starbomba
15:09 < starbomba> i watched analyze this for about the 200th time yesterday
15:09 < DrGibby|> The fuckin' stahh
15:10 < starbomba> man friday is tomorrow but it seems like it's a month away
15:10  * DrGibby| hands snarkadmin a Gatorade, some Tylenol and a coffee
15:10 < starbomba> i think i'mma hit up the beach saturday
15:11  * snarkadmin fucks the tylenol, marries the gatorade, and kills the coffee
15:11 < starbomba> it's going to be brutally hot but the water is still fairly nice
15:11 < DrGibby|> snarkadmin: my fav game. FMK
15:11 < starbomba> i like that game but it has shown me that some of my friends are likely serial killers because all they want to do is murder all three things
15:12 < JFDkthx> i think most of our DBAs are female
15:12 < starbomba> btw you ALWAYS marry the coffee. trust me.
15:13 < snarkadmin> nah, coffee tastes gross
15:13 < mkillebrew> you taste gross.
15:13 < Nightcinder> https://www.extremetech.com/computing/266983-latest-macos-update-10-13-4-breaks-multi-desktop-displays
15:13 < Nightcinder> 🍿
15:18 < starbomba> only macOS could produce fanboys who would run to reddit and argue that multi-desktop is better off broken
15:19 < am0nrahx> starbomba, frickin idiots
15:19 < am0nrahx> screw apple
15:20 <@Code_Man65> That's the apple distortion field in full effect
15:20 <+TuxedoJack> Why would you need multi-desktop? Just use fucktons of monitors
15:21  * TuxedoJack says as he lovingly looks as this 5760x2160 setup
15:21 < mrWhiteMD> switch to linux then
15:22 < mrWhiteMD> and feel the freedom
15:22 < humpaxx> Fuck
15:23 < humpaxx> Explorer has decided to not work anymore :/ im going to have to reboot the system
15:23 < alazare619> til you no longer need to do apt-get
15:23 < alazare619> and apt-cache
15:23 < enix> why not restart explorer
15:23 < felda> I'm fairly certain Code_Man65 is causing all this Global Warming
15:23 < alazare619> you can simply apt search or apt install or apt autoremove
15:23 < humpaxx> felda: is he one of them crypto miners?
15:23 < felda> nah it's all that hot air in his head
15:24 < mrWhiteMD> apt fuuuuu
15:24 < felda> cryptic1 uses DNS to mine cryptocurrencies on everyone's PCs
15:24 < JFDkthx> khelp why is it still snowing
15:24 < JFDkthx> make it go away
15:24 < khelpw> It's sunny here, right now.
15:24 < JFDkthx> we had that windstorm yesterday
15:24 < khelpw> so you just shut your whore mouth with those kind of words.
15:25 < felda> only 25 degrees here
15:25 < felda> it's stupid
15:25 < JFDkthx> 45 sustained 60 gusts
15:25 < JFDkthx> we've gotten almost 3 inches of snow
15:25 < JFDkthx> ffs
15:25 < JFDkthx> i just want 50 degree weather
15:26 < GrandWizardZippy> how goes it all?
15:26 < humpaxx> reboottime
15:26 < humpaxx> wish me luck
15:26 < GrandWizardZippy> humpaxx: Good Luck!
15:28 <+suttin> felda: pfsense right?
15:28 < felda> yes
15:29 <+suttin> Hi
15:31 < felda> Code_Man65 is paid off by Ted Cruz to kick me
15:33 < starbomba> s/Ted Cruz/#reddit-sysadmin
15:33 <+layer-eight> felda meant: "Code_Man65 is paid off by #reddit-sysadmin to kick me"
15:34 < felda> pretty sure starbomba is Putin
15:34 < ned0> it's because you disparaged nickelback felda
15:34 < starbomba> cryptic1 is the canadian here
15:34 < felda> yes his blood is maple syrup
15:36 < nooooooob> can someone please help me with a powerscript script?
15:37 < felda> Try using batch files instead
15:37 < nooooooob> i am
15:37 < YetiFiasco> No
15:37 < YetiFiasco> NO
15:37 < YetiFiasco> felda: no
15:37 < felda> lel
15:37 < YetiFiasco> Bad
15:37 < felda> PowerShell is for dummies
15:37 < nooooooob> felda, are you smart?
15:37 < felda> real sysadmins do everything with .BAT files
15:37 < nooooooob> can you help me please?
15:38 < felda> lol nah I don't do scripting
15:38 < YetiFiasco> nooooooob: What are you trying to do?
15:38 < nooooooob> i will show you
15:38 < nooooooob> @echo off
15:38 < nooooooob> echo.!powershell -command "$fso = new-object -com Scripting.FileSystemObject; gci -Directory | select @{l='Size'; e={$fso.GetFolder($_.FullName).Size}},FullName | sort Size -Descending | ft @{l='Size [MB]'; e={'{0:N2}    ' -f ($_.Size / 1MB)}},FullName"!>"c:\users\nsimo\desktop\Properties.txt"
15:38 < nooooooob> endlocal
15:38 < YetiFiasco> Ok, what are you trying to achieve?
15:39 < nooooooob> i want the command to create a output that is a file
15:39 < YetiFiasco> pipe it?
15:39 < nooooooob> yes, pipe it to a file
15:39 <@mistiry> good morning
15:40 < enix> um | Out-File?
15:40 < YetiFiasco> ^
15:40 < nooooooob> what will that look like?
15:40 < enix> um
15:40 < enix> hang on guys let me work it out
15:40 < YetiFiasco> it looks like you're filling a variable there
15:40 < enix> no... no my brain wont allow it
15:40 < DomLS3> PFSENSE IS TRASH
15:40 < YetiFiasco> so just put  $fso | Out-file <dir>
15:40 < mrWhiteMD> i find bat easier than powershell
15:41 < enix> s/>"c:\users\nsimo\desktop\Properties.txt"/Out-File c:\users\nsimo\desktop\Properties.txt
15:41 < enix> fine then layer-eight be like that
15:41 < YetiFiasco> DomLS3: shut your mouth PFsense is great
15:41 < YetiFiasco> You can do bat in PS
15:41 < DomLS3> YetiFiasco: you shut your whore mouth
15:41 < DomLS3> when felda is here, pfsense is trash
15:42 < YetiFiasco> Try using Watchguard then tell me pfsense is trash
15:42 < DomLS3> watchguard is pretty bad
15:42 < DomLS3> Sonicwall is where it's at
15:42 < DomLS3> simple gui, easy to use, and it just works
15:42 <+suttin> mistiry: hi
15:42 < alazare619> https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/3/17192518/lowercase-g-letters-reading-writing-comprehension-penmanship
15:42 < alazare619> mind
15:42 < alazare619> blown
15:42 < YetiFiasco> "it just works teehee"
15:42 < mrWhiteMD> better and easyer to write C# scripts )
15:42 < DomLS3> YetiFiasco: ;)
15:43 < YetiFiasco> It's like you dont even want to compile your own kernels
15:43 < mrWhiteMD> then fucking powershell
15:43 < hxcsp> does anybody here work for barracuda. please save me from this tech support call
15:43 < enix> nn
15:43 < enix> oops wc
15:43 < YetiFiasco> powershell is very nice if you're in a strong MS environment
15:43 < YetiFiasco> because it ties into everything
15:43 < DomLS3> You should only be in a strong MS environment
15:43 < DomLS3> Windows > Linux
15:43 < nooooooob> so...  @echo off
15:43 < nooooooob> echo.!powershell -command "$fso = new-object -com Scripting.FileSystemObject; gci -Directory | select @{l='Size'; e={$fso.GetFolder($_.FullName).Size}},FullName | sort Size -Descending | ft @{l='Size [MB]'; e={'{0:N2}    ' -f ($_.Size / 1MB)}},FullName"! s/>"c:\users\nsimo\desktop\Properties.txt"/Out-File c:\users\nsimo\desktop\Properties.txt
15:43 < nooooooob> endlocal
15:43 < mrWhiteMD> YetiFiasco: did you tried C# ?
15:44 < YetiFiasco> No
15:44 < enix> anyone sent a message over an irc socket?
15:44 < enix> using python
15:44 < YetiFiasco> I'm not a programmer
15:44 < DomLS3> enix: talk to ravioli
15:44 < YetiFiasco> I just use PS to automate my workload
15:44 < DomLS3> he's pretty good with python
15:44 < enix> Thank you DomLS3
15:44 < DomLS3> enix: I've done it with C++
15:45 < enix> DomLS3: i'm trying to decide on a new enine for my nissan skyline. Should I go a Gallo 20 or Gallo 24?
15:45 < enix> :P
15:45 < DomLS3> enix: didn't know pizza places made engines
15:45 < enix> hhaha fuck yes
15:45 <@Code_Man65> nooooooob:  WTF are you trying to do?
15:45 < enix> you might be able to help actually; self.irc.send("PRIVMSG " + chan + " :" + msg + "n")
15:45 < DomLS3> Code_Man65: from the looks of the code it looks likes he's trying to get files in a folder and display by size
15:46 < enix> So it would be something like "PRIVMSG #reddit-sysadmin :thasdasdas"
15:46 < enix> would that be correct?
15:46 < DomLS3> enix: you need \n at the end
15:46 < DomLS3> not just n
15:46 <@Code_Man65> Get-ChildItem <dir> -recursive | sort length
15:46 < enix> FUCKING HELL
15:46 < DomLS3> enix: inf act you probably need to do both \r\n
15:47 < enix> thank you so much
15:47 < DomLS3> np
15:47 < enix> I dont think i've had enough bourbon to do this stuff
15:47 < enix> lol
15:47 < DomLS3> it would be better if you can make a function to do that for you so you don't forget
15:47 < DomLS3> like: sockwrite("PRIVMSG " + chan + " :" + msg)
15:47 < DomLS3> and then have the function do the self.irc.send and append \n at the end
15:48 < enix> DomLS3: yeah I have a send command defined to do this for me
15:48 < DomLS3> that's how I do it in c++
15:48 < arlion> def ass ( to ):
15:48 < arlion>      return mouth
15:48 < enix> https://github.com/Orderchaos/ircbot/blob/master/bot.py
15:48 < DomLS3> arlion: bass to mouth*
15:48 < DomLS3> enix: also don't forget to send PONG on PING
15:48 < arlion> BASS IN YO FACE.
15:49 <+abakedapplepie> enix: just read the irc spec
15:49 <+abakedapplepie> i wrote an irc bot, the spec was straightforward
15:49 < arlion> enix: woah, is that the irc bot used in this channel?
15:49 <+abakedapplepie> no
15:49 < arlion> gah
15:49 < arlion> all of the sudden im not interested in contributing code.
15:50 < enix> arlion: nah i'm not allowed to run the bot here
15:50 < enix> cryptic1: b& me
15:50 < enix> s/:/
15:50 <+layer-eight> enix meant: "cryptic1 b& me"
15:50 <+abakedapplepie> apparently layer-8 is an eggdrop plugin
15:50 <+abakedapplepie> because this is 1998
15:50 <+abakedapplepie> and thats what people do
15:50 < enix> So did Nostalg14c as a matter of fact
15:50 < DomLS3> cryptic1: I performed my civic duty in the chan by assisting a user
15:50 < enix> cryptic1: you know what i mean
15:51 < DomLS3> I demand my +v that I never got 30 days out of
15:51 < arlion> enix: he banned me too
15:51 < arlion> I ran a bot here for a minute..
15:51 < arlion> exactly a minute
15:51 < enix> yeah he's super picky about that
15:51 < DomLS3> .value nano
15:51 < DomLS3> Current NANO (Nano) value: 5.03 (USD)
15:51 < DomLS3> WHAT
15:52 < DomLS3> RKEENE! 5.03
15:52 < DomLS3> WTF
15:52 < arlion> .value BTC
15:52 < enix> rkeene has left the channel
15:52 < DomLS3> .value btc
15:52 < DomLS3> Current BTC (Bitcoin) value: 6774.84 (USD)
15:52 < DomLS3> wow
15:52 < enix> .value btc
15:52 < arlion> IT GOING DOWN
15:52 < DomLS3> it only works for me dickheads
15:52 < arlion> im going to down myself in tears now.
15:53 < felda> TIL Cisco bought OpenDNS
15:53 < enix> HE"S FUCKING REPLYING
15:53 < felda> neat
15:53 < enix> FUCK YES
15:53 < enix> thank you DomLS3
15:53 <+suttin> cryptic1: you smell
15:53 < enix> I can sleep tonight
15:53 < DomLS3> enix: :)
15:53 < arlion> felda: time to transition to a different dns carrier.
15:53 < DomLS3> enix: make sure to tell cryptic1 what a help I was
15:53 < enix> cryptic1: DomLS3 should get +v before mine get's reinstated
15:53 < DomLS3> cryptic1: ^^
15:55 < enix> .dong
15:55 < enix> wooooooooow
15:55 < enix> .bofh
15:55 <+layer-eight> enix, BOFH says: CD-ROM server needs recalibration
15:55 < DomLS3> enix: it's in #donger
15:55 < arlion> .bofh
15:55 <+layer-eight> arlion, BOFH says: temporary routing anomoly
15:55 < arlion> oh, it does listen to me.
15:56 <@cryptic1> who invited suttin
15:56 <@cryptic1> :(
15:56 < enix> hahaha kicked hahaha
15:56 < DomLS3> rekt
15:57 < enix> DomLS3: that's fantastic
15:58 < felda> cryptic1 likes to redirect DNS requests to felda.io
15:58 < enix> felda: big fan of the site it brought lots of lulz to the office
15:58 < felda> :D
16:01 < enix> gah he's not responding anymore. Fuck i need sleep
16:01 < enix> night all. Thanks again DomLS3
16:02 <+suttin> cryptic1: I invited myself
16:03 <@cryptic1> suttin, please listen to all tracks at felda.io
16:06 < corn266> morning party people
16:11 <@Code_Man65> BBIAB
16:12 < corn266> newegg is having 5% off offers using code CORN5
16:12 < corn266> you're welcome
16:12 < felda> How to rile up your office when they are all older than you.  "The Beatles weren't even that good.  They were just a boy band."
16:12 < corn266> only from corn distributors
16:12 < corn266> they kinda were though felda
16:12 < corn266> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4RE4SA8854
16:13 < felda> what am I supposed to do with this receiver?
16:13 < corn266> be thankful I'm offering a 5% discount
16:14 < felda> Shilling?
16:14 < corn266> Nah but I am looking for a receiver and would like input on y'all's exp
16:14 < felda> it's expensive so it's probably good
16:15 < corn266> For speakers I'm definitely going with Polk Audio Monitor 70 Series II
16:15 < syere> I like Polk
16:15 < corn266> O
16:15 < corn266> I've heard decent things
16:15 < syere> I put polk speakers in my truck recently to replace the stock ones. not a receiver or home speakers tho
16:16 < corn266> They make vehicle speakers??
16:16 < corn266> shhheeeeeit
16:16 < syere> I'm not a audiophile, but they don't rattle, and I think they sound good personally.
16:16 < syere> huge difference over stock anyways
16:16 < corn266> fair enough, I'm not gonna buy into meme speakers like bose anyways
16:17 < syere> here, let me get you links about what I bought so you know where I am coming from
16:17 <+abakedapplepie> hey i have a stupid question
16:17 < syere> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P0PF9G/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 and https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000P0R6HA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
16:17 <+abakedapplepie> how do i restrict listing a folder inside a shared folder
16:17 <+abakedapplepie> i cant remember
16:17 <+abakedapplepie> been so long
16:18 <+abakedapplepie> ie. unless you have permission you dont see it in the directory listing
16:18 < corn266> "liquid cooled silk speakers" sounds like asian "buy our good luck many thanks product"
16:18 < corn266> abakedapplepie: windows or linux
16:18 < corn266> abakedapplepie: linux just restrict exe privs
16:18 <+abakedapplepie> windows
16:19 < corn266> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:19 < nooooooob> can someone please help me
16:19 < syere> lol, I didn't even see that corn266, they hit my price point and sound good with good ratings. I was happy, would buy more of their products
16:19 <+abakedapplepie> that yamaha reciever doesnt seem like a good deal
16:19 < nooooooob> how do i unrestrict executionpolicy in powershell?
16:20 < corn266> nooooooob: execute as admin
16:20 < nooooooob> there is good help, and then there is your help, corn266
16:20 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:20 < corn266> rip
16:20 <+abakedapplepie> set-executionpolicy
16:21 < Jekotia> ^ set-execution unrestricted
16:21 <+abakedapplepie> you can tab through the levels
16:21 < corn266> nooooooob: have you tried turning it off and on again?
16:21 <+abakedapplepie> i usually do remotesigned
16:21 < Jekotia> If you need it unrestricted for a one-time thing, restrict it again after. Please.
16:21 <+abakedapplepie> so if the script is downloaded, it wont automatically be allowed to execute
16:21 <+abakedapplepie> but anything i write will exeecute
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> better than unrestricted and forgetting
16:22 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Oh, thanks for that! I figured remotesigned meant it still needed some sort of security signature
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> nope!
16:22 < nooooooob> i want unrestricted use please
16:22 < corn266> abakedapplepie: if you think the yamaha receiver isn't a good deal, what would you recommend
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> just means if its flagged as a download
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> you can manually remove the "downloaded" file flag and allow it to be executed without signing it, too
16:22 < nooooooob> i'm supposed to supply the value
16:22 <+abakedapplepie> so you dont need to change your restrictions to execute a downloaded script
16:23 < nooooooob> what value is that?
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> corn266: its not a bad deal, it just isnt a good deal
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> i have the pioneer lsx-vx101
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> 7 hdmi inputs, dolby atmos surround
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> 7.1/5.2 surround
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> er 5.2.2
16:23 <+abakedapplepie> 5.2.1?
16:23 < syere> does anyone think that 9.1 is worth it over 7.1?
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> no
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> but atmos is real nice
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> and dts-x
16:24 < syere> i'll be buying a new receiver in the next six months, thought I was start shopping now
16:24 < syere> I would*
16:24 < corn266> I can't figure out why wifi enabled receiver would be necessary
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> but i like my reciever because it has wifi, bluetooth, spotify, pandora, dlna, etc
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> i can right now, from my computer at work
16:24 < syere> corn266, system updates, casting
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> start playing music on my reciever at home
16:24 <+abakedapplepie> which is kinda awesome
16:25 < corn266> casting? sure, but bluetooth would handle that. System updates? for an audio receiver?
16:25 <+abakedapplepie> but regarding the yamaha, i thik you can get more value for the price
16:25 < Jekotia> Anyone here have experience with http://bacula.org/ , http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/  or https://www.urbackup.org/ ? Looking for automatic network backups to a local server for a SMB. I can't help but feel like I'm missing some glaring flaw with these programs, since theyt seem perfect for us and are free...
16:25 < syere> Yep. They do online updates now. it's kinda nice
16:25 < corn266> Fair enough abakedapplepie
16:25 <+abakedapplepie> considering i paid $300 for my reciever
16:25 <+abakedapplepie> and it has more power/channels/features
16:25 < syere> Jekotia: I've used backuppc in MANY companies. worked just fine
16:26 < corn266> abakedapplepie: VSX-LX101 is $435.99 RN
16:26 < corn266> s/ RN/USD
16:26 <+layer-eight> corn266 meant: "abakedapplepie: VSX-LX101 is $435.99USD"
16:26 <+abakedapplepie> well, that one is probably deprecated now
16:26 <+abakedapplepie> its old
16:27 <+abakedapplepie> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pioneer-elite-7-2-ch-hi-res-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-compatible-a-v-home-theater-receiver-black/5856815.p?skuId=5856815&ref=212&loc=DWA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZHa16uj2gIVSbXACh02tATaEAYYASABEgKE9fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
16:27 <+abakedapplepie> oh hmm
16:27 <+abakedapplepie> maybe i have the vsx-lx301
16:27 <+abakedapplepie> but that just has more inputs i believe
16:28 < corn266> Anyone with 100+W/ch
16:28 <+abakedapplepie> you dont need 100w per channel
16:28 < corn266> Apparently with the monitor 70 s2 you do
16:28 <+abakedapplepie> whats the sensitivity on those
16:28 <+abakedapplepie> oh polk
16:28 <+abakedapplepie> probably 87dbm
16:28 < corn266> tweeter
16:29 < corn266> oh
16:29 < corn266> sensitivity as in impedence?
16:29 < corn266> 8OHM
16:29 < Jekotia> corn266: You should check out https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-receiver/ They seem to be a pretty thorough and unbiased site, although I haven't looked at them since their acquisition by New York Times so that could have changed
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> sensitivity determines how much audio pressure is generated per mw of power
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> so higher sensitivity = less power for the same volume
16:29 <+abakedapplepie> with added benefits to clarity too
16:30 <+abakedapplepie> my speakers are 99db which is REALLY good
16:30 <+abakedapplepie> i can get 105db with like 60w
16:31 <+abakedapplepie> but anyway
16:31 <+abakedapplepie> you should be fine with a ~70w amp
16:31 <+abakedapplepie> really
16:31 <+abakedapplepie> wattage ratings are all fucked anyway, marketing has destroyed their meaning
16:31 < corn266> oooooooooh so same shit as processor Hz
16:31 <+abakedapplepie> basically
16:32 < corn266> why can't marketing just fuck off
16:32 <+abakedapplepie> because marketing pays the bills
16:32 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:32 < syere> He abakedapplepie: I checked out the link you sent and the receiver they recommended. Maybe I'm super blind this morning, but can you tell me where the subs hook up on it?
16:32 < corn266> s/fuck off/be honest
16:32 <+layer-eight> corn266 meant: "why can't marketing just be honest"
16:32 <+abakedapplepie> syere: the pioneer?
16:32 < syere> AVRS730H
16:32 < syere> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XYHTQTH?tag=thewire06-20&linkCode=xm2&ascsubtag=AgEAAAAAAAAAAPVi
16:33 <+abakedapplepie> oh i didnt link that one
16:33 < syere> oh my bad, I read incorrectly
16:33 <+abakedapplepie> but theres 2 sub preouts
16:33 <+abakedapplepie> upper left corner
16:33 <+abakedapplepie> next to the RCA-in
16:33 < syere> man, how did I miss that. I need more coffee. Thanks!
16:33 <+abakedapplepie> :P
16:34 < corn266> syere: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/pioneer-elite-7-2-ch-hi-res-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-compatible-a-v-home-theater-receiver-black/5856815.p?skuId=5856815&ref=212&loc=DWA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZHa16uj2gIVSbXACh02tATaEAYYASABEgKE9fD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
16:34 <+abakedapplepie> this all reminds me
16:34 <+abakedapplepie> i need to fix my HDR
16:34 < syere> oh wow, that pioneer looks nice
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> i have the 301
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> i got it on blakc friday for 299
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> the 101/102 have the same features just less inputs and less output power
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> but i LOVE it
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> i never thought id want a network enabled reciever
16:35 <+abakedapplepie> now ill never not have one
16:36 < syere> I want a network enabled everything
16:36 <+abakedapplepie> next you need some bangin speakers
16:36 < tenthshift> i want to put bluetooth speakers in my nutsack for my own personal boombox
16:37 <+abakedapplepie> http://www.klipsch.com/products/rp-280f-piano-black WTF I WANT THIS FINISH
16:37 <+abakedapplepie> take back my fake black wood veneer you bastards
16:38 <+abakedapplepie> i bought those about a month too early
16:38 <+abakedapplepie> prices dropped lol
16:38 <+abakedapplepie> oh well
16:38 < dragonfleas> do you guys know how to install the php imap system?
16:39 < dragonfleas> is it just sudo apt-get php-imap?
16:39 < syere> yes
16:39 <+abakedapplepie> i prefer yum -y install php-imap
16:39 < syere> yum is always preferred imo
16:39 < dragonfleas> i'm on ubuntu
16:39 <+abakedapplepie> but not all of us can be right all the time
16:39 <+abakedapplepie> :P
16:40 <+abakedapplepie> dragonfleas: yes, is joke, hah hah
16:40 < dragonfleas> so sudo apt-get install -y php7.0-imap
16:40 <+abakedapplepie> s/yes/da
16:40 <+layer-eight> abakedapplepie meant: "dragonfleas: da, is joke, hah hah"
16:40 < syere> dragonfleas: install it. The configuration is done in php code for the server and auth if needed
16:40 < vader-> hey abakedapplepie, someone was saying you work for an MSP?
16:40 <+abakedapplepie> vader-: i do
16:40 <+abakedapplepie> i wear so many hats my christmas bonus is a hat rack every year
16:40 < vader-> im toying with the idea of starting one up, ive worked for them before as a tech
16:41 < vader-> but im trying to get a better understanding if they are even profitable to run
16:41 <+abakedapplepie> they take a long time to become profitable
16:41 <+abakedapplepie> unless youre a hell of a salesman
16:41 <+abakedapplepie> or have a salesman
16:41 < vader-> how does your place tend to price them?
16:42 < vader-> some places i see do per user, per device, some are per server, or an over all price
16:42 <+abakedapplepie> starting out allows you to be more competitive with your competitors but once you have to hire another body that efficiency is gone
16:42 <+abakedapplepie> we do break/fix block hours, we do managed service contracts, we do individual services based on need
16:42 < vader-> does your place have any pricing structures that are kinda set?
16:42 < vader-> plans or what not
16:42 <+abakedapplepie> honestly if the customer wants it we will find a way to offer it at a decent price but with an msp your market is generally captive once youre an established vendor
16:42 <+abakedapplepie> sort of
16:43 <+abakedapplepie> so we generally do a "$x per user per month" contract and anything out of scope gets billed at $100/hr
16:44 <+abakedapplepie> projects we generally double whatever initial estimate we come up with regarding time
16:44 <+abakedapplepie> multiply that by their hourly rate and cap it as a fixed price
16:44 < vader-> you don't happen to have any sales materials you could share?
16:44 <+abakedapplepie> no
16:44 < vader-> pricing sheets or what not
16:44 <+abakedapplepie> sorry
16:44 <+abakedapplepie> but r/msp is a good resource
16:45 <+abakedapplepie> theres also more niche reddits for IT marketing and shit
16:45 <+abakedapplepie> MSP is all about marketing and sales
16:45 < vader-> ya looked through them
16:46 < vader-> people tend to hold pricing information in secret
16:46 < vader-> not very willing to share heh
16:46 < vader-> hehe
16:46 <+abakedapplepie> yeah
16:46 < vader-> not sure why
16:46 <+abakedapplepie> we charge between 100-150 per hour depending on client history, their tendency to pay on time, and how many hours they pre-pay
16:47 < vader-> especially when these guys are not even in the same markets as others
16:47 < syere> If all prices were shared easily, the market value of MSP would start to go down, as the market usually favors the cheapest route
16:47 <+abakedapplepie> yep
16:47 <+abakedapplepie> at least with msp like i said your long time customers are a captive audience
16:47 <+abakedapplepie> unless they have a reason to start talking to other it vendors, you can sell them the london bridge
16:48 <+abakedapplepie> dont ever give them a reason to talk to another vendor
16:48 <+abakedapplepie> ever
16:48 <+abakedapplepie> under any circumstances
16:48 < corn266> abakedapplepie: thanks for the receiver help, btw
16:49 <+abakedapplepie> np
16:49 < corn266> !nominate abakedapplepie helped with technical A/V issue
16:49 <+abakedapplepie> Ticket Closed: Out of scope, a/v is not it's issue
16:49 <+abakedapplepie> :P
16:50 < syere> adakedapplepie knows about A/V! Quick! Make him the SME!
16:50 < corn266> Dependent on your administration boundary, a/v might be an sys-admin issue
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> oh yeah
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> we do tv installs
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:50 < corn266> rip
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> conference rooms and shit
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> hdmi over ethernet
16:50 < Zrane_> Yeah, we do them.
16:50 < Zrane_> I just make maintenance hang the TVs.
16:50 <+abakedapplepie> ^
16:51 < corn266> yea but who will set up casting software
16:52  * corn266 rubs crestron on body
16:52 <+abakedapplepie> oh thats absoutely IT's responsibility
16:52 < syere> obviously the CEO's son who "knows computers"
16:52 <+abakedapplepie> you no touch-a my network
16:52 < corn266> "switches don't need to be maintained; they just work"
16:52 < dragonfleas> when created an A record for my osticket server, should i create a ptr record?
16:53 <+abakedapplepie> nah
16:53 < dragonfleas> kk
16:53 < vader-> ya i want to try and focus just on MSP type clients right now, to get some MRR in...
16:53 <+abakedapplepie> PTRs are only useful to validate you are who you say you are. a service desk doesnt need that
16:53 < vader-> i have a client right now who wants me to audit their tech stuff because they want to fire their IT person
16:53 <+abakedapplepie> PTR's best use case is email
16:53 <+abakedapplepie> always use ptr on your mx hosts
16:54 <@JollyRgrs> vader-: that sucks
16:54 <+abakedapplepie> vader-: residual income is your friend, reselling software licenses and services, things you get paid for but require 0 maintenance
16:54 <+abakedapplepie> resell backup services, resell web hosting, resell everything
16:54 <+abakedapplepie> use an RMM with monitoring and sell the shit out of that
16:55 <+abakedapplepie> $x/mo monitoring per device with a $x/8 license cost
16:55 < vader-> im just concerned with everyone moving to "the cloud" that the MSP business is dying out
16:55 <+abakedapplepie> hell no
16:55 < vader-> there is no markup in things like Office 365
16:55 <+abakedapplepie> but you can charge labor for managing it
16:55 <+abakedapplepie> new user? thats a half hour
16:55 <+abakedapplepie> password reset? 15 minutes
16:56 < grumplestiltzkin> unless you have a really juicy agreement where any work rounds up to the next man-hour
16:56 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck no it's not
16:56 <+TuxedoJack> ... hourly?
16:56 <+TuxedoJack> Why the fuck do you do hourly?
16:56 < corn266> contractor service?
16:56 <+TuxedoJack> Bill a shitload a month and do it soup to nuts
16:57 < estranger> MUST BE 120% BILLABLE
16:57 <+TuxedoJack> Doesn't matter how much you put in, you just get what you need
16:57 < vader-> what are the prime candidate clients?
16:57 < vader-> what verticle?
16:57 < vader-> vertical
16:57 <+abakedapplepie> also, remember what i said about a captive audience?
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> we sell managed webhosting to our clients
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> it costs 4x as much as godaddy
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> we dont do anything to earn that
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> lol
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> but the benefit is that they have one guy who knows everything and has full access to everything
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> and theyll pay you more for it
16:58 <+abakedapplepie> if they like you
17:00 < Church-> Morning folks
17:00 < Hatter> oh yeah and what's so morning about it?
17:01 < corn266> the sun hasn't passed the mid-way mark
17:01 < syere> it's morning because of the way it is
17:01 < vader-> what type of clients do you find work well for MSPs? Lawyers, Doctors offices, manufacturing?
17:01 < F34RInc> vader-, Vets - animal health care
17:02 <@JollyRgrs> vader-: anyone big enough to need IT, but small enough they don't want to pay dedicated employee to handle it
17:02 < vader-> really?
17:02 <@JollyRgrs> vets wound seem to fit into that very well... not many "national chain" vets... so they are all small biz clients
17:02 < F34RInc> vader-, yeah their almost always cool as shit and treat you like a human, value your time and skills
17:02 < khelpw> Is anyone here familiar with TFS?
17:02 < Zrane_> JollyRgrs, vets, dentists, small practice dr's.
17:02 <@JollyRgrs> s/human/pupper
17:02 <+layer-eight> F34RInc meant: "vader-, yeah their almost always cool as shit and treat you like a pupper, value your time and skills"
17:03 < vader-> i know they bend over their own clients
17:03 < vader-> i never leave the vet with my dog, without dropping atleast 2-3 bills
17:03 < Zrane_> vader-, Medical care is expensive, regardless of if its for people or animals.
17:04 <@JollyRgrs> speaking of... got a new pupper today
17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> only the best for the puppers!
17:04 <@JollyRgrs> stupid lady moved up the meetup time so i couldn't go with my wife to pick up
17:04 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: Who needs a wife anyway
17:04 < grumplestiltzkin> when did people start saying 'pupper' and 'doggo' ?
17:05 < corn266> JollyRgrs: what kind of pupper/doggo
17:05 < vader-> im finding alot of small offices like that are trying to serverless and stuff
17:05 < corn266> grumplestiltzkin: what are you talking about? We've always been at war with Eurasia
17:05 < vader-> i need to roll out a test lab and see how well this new azureAD shit works
17:06 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: im using azure ad with a hyrbid o365 setup and it works great
17:07 < vader-> so no domain controllers or anything?
17:07 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: i have on prem dc's that sync 2 way to azure ad
17:07 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: but you can do it without
17:07 < vader-> ya im talking like a "serverless" office
17:07 < dragonfleas> woo i just set up a static IP and correct hosts file on linux for the first time
17:07 < dragonfleas> i can't believe you have to set the broadcast and network addresses...
17:07 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: i just havent gotten there yet but if you on the right plan you can fully use azureAD as a replacement for on prem
17:08 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: im not paying for that plan just yet but i played around with it when they were offering free dev tenants and it seems to be pretty usable as a full on DC replacement
17:09 < grumplestiltzkin> if you have no DC on prem, you'll want to come up with a backup plan - or the business should (of course) have a backup plan when there is no connection.
17:09 < vader-> ya it seems like you just need windows 10 clients to utilize it
17:09 < vader-> grumplestilzkin, i believe it caches the last credentials, just like they do with windows domain credentials
17:09 < vader-> you just lose group policy and stuff with AzureAD
17:10 < GrandWizardZippy> vader-: i have some win 7 and win 8.1 clients but they have issues
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> so, it is good to know that informal words mean exactly what you think they mean... especially when someone looks at you funny for using the word
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> janky
17:10 <@JollyRgrs>     of extremely poor or unreliable quality.
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> "the software is pretty janky"
17:11 < GrandWizardZippy> JollyRgrs: that is one of my favorite words!
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> mine, too
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> and ppl here look at me like "what's that word?"
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> i'm in the south, it shouldn't be a forjin word here
17:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> grumplestiltzkin: i started saying pupper cause I saw it on reddit a bunch
17:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> now its just what I say lol
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> and imgur as well
17:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> doggo doesn't roll like pupper does
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> all over imgur
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> it's the same thing... doggo is grown dog, pupper is puppy
17:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> i also call my puppers "assholes, bastards, and beasts of the wild"
17:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> cause they are in fact, assholes lol
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> no, that's cats
17:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> my dogs are little hell beasts
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> except for when my dog decides to chew up tissues from the bathroom trash
17:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> and its cause I can't spank them cause it hurts my soul lol
17:15 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: squirt them with water bottle?
17:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> both of my dogs are super barky, they both barked a LOT when they were pups, like more than any dog iive ever see
17:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> and they are mid sized dogs
17:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> they are just loud and unruly by nature lol
17:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> JollyRgrs: yeah and I shake cans of rocks too sometimes haha
17:15 <@JollyRgrs> haha
17:16 <@JollyRgrs> i wonder how nails on chalkboard affect dogs
17:16 < nooooooob> can someone please help me with a powershell script?
17:16 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: we can't help you if you don't tell us what you need help with
17:16 < grumplestiltzkin> if your dog(s) are unruly as adults, they think they are higher in the pack than you.
17:16 <@JollyRgrs> ya nub
17:16 <@JollyRgrs> i'm the alpha of my house
17:16 <@JollyRgrs> my wife calls the dog to her, she jumps in MY LAP... lol
17:17 < ravioli> im the alpha of ur mom
17:17 < grumplestiltzkin> THEMS FIGHTING WORDS SON
17:17 <@JollyRgrs> nah, she says she's had much better
17:17 < grumplestiltzkin> donging
17:17 < nooooooob> I need th following PS script to only tell the size of the folder c:\software   ...  powershell -command "$fso = new-object -com Scripting.FileSystemObject; gci -Directory | select @{l='Size'; e={$fso.GetFolder($_.FullName).Size}},FullName | sort Size -Descending | ft @{l='Size [MB]'; e={'{0:N2}    ' -f ($_.Size/ 1MB)}},FullName | Out-File C:\Users\nsimo\Desktop\Size.txt"
17:17 <@JollyRgrs> wtf....
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: post that in pastebin or something so i can readit
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> also... you hurt me with thos vbscript variables
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> lol
17:18 < nooooooob> sorry
17:18 < nooooooob> i don't know how to use pastebin, i'm a nooob
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> step 1) go to pastebin.com
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> step 2) paste your script
17:19 <@JollyRgrs> step 3) share link to your pastebin paste in here
17:19 < am0nrahx> step 4) profit
17:19 < Hatter> how does that phrase go
17:19 < Hatter> I'm about to use
17:19 < estranger> if you build it they will come?
17:19 < Hatter> poor planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency for me
17:19 < estranger> Cant fix stupid?
17:19 < F34RInc> sucks to suck
17:20 < estranger> I wouldn't know
17:20 < estranger> I was born awesome
17:20 <@JollyRgrs> step 1) stuff, step 2) stuff, step 3) ???, step 4) profit
17:21 < ravioli> step 1) dong
17:21 < ravioli> step 2) donger
17:21 < ravioli> step 3) dongerdong
17:21 < ravioli> simple stuff rly
17:21 < Zrane_> ravioli: You forgot step 4.
17:21 < alazare619> there was a OS out there that offered its packages that was almost a 100% clone of proxmox but could be installed on any linux kvm host os
17:21 < ravioli> there is no step 4 in the donging process
17:21 < alazare619> unlike proxmox
17:21 < estranger> 4) helicopter dance
17:21 < alazare619> does anyone know the name
17:22 < nooooooob> https://pastebin.com/VzSHgCGB
17:24 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: and also, have you tried googling yet?
17:24 < nooooooob> "(Get-ChildItem $Path -Recurse -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue | Measure-Object -Property Length -Sum).Sum / $FileSizeDivisor | Out-File $filepath "
17:25 < nooooooob> without the recurse?
17:25 <@JollyRgrs> why would you want without?
17:25 <@JollyRgrs> you don't want subfolders of c:\software?
17:25 < nooooooob> because i don't want i to repeat
17:25 < nooooooob> yes, i do
17:25 <@JollyRgrs> recurse checks in sub folders
17:25 < nooooooob> but only of software
17:25 <@JollyRgrs> that's what recursive is
17:26 <@JollyRgrs> Get-ChildItem -Recurse c:\software | Measure-Object -Sum Length | Select-Object Count, Sum
17:26 < nooooooob> so i run it within software
17:26 <@JollyRgrs> that gives you number of objects and how big (in bytes) total
17:26 < DrGibby|> did you mean recursive?
17:26 < nooooooob> yes
17:26 < nooooooob> sorry
17:26 < DrGibby|> did you mean recursive?
17:26 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: no, in powershell, the arg is -Recurse
17:26 < DrGibby|> did you mean recursive?
17:27 < DrGibby|> :)
17:27 <@JollyRgrs> :P
17:27 < DrGibby|> <3
17:27 < DrGibby|> but seriously
17:27 < DrGibby|> did you mean recursive?
17:27 <@JollyRgrs> Pete and Repeat were on a boat, Pete fell off, who was left?
17:28 < DrGibby|> NULL
17:28 < nooooooob> so, this is it: command prompt c:\windows\system32>powershell -command "Get-ChildItem -Recurse c:\software | Measure-Object -Sum Length | Select-Object Count, Sum | Out-File C:\Users\nsimo\Desktop\Size.txt"
17:28 < DrGibby|> you didn't define what pete fell off of
17:28 < alazare619> we are less then 1 year away from people being born after windows XP initial release...
17:29 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: erm...
17:29 <@JollyRgrs> many people have already been born after XP initial release :P
17:30 < alazare619> i missed part of that
17:30 < alazare619> are able to vote
17:30 < alazare619> on laptop miss clicked track pad and it deleted it lmao
17:30 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: more or less
17:30 <@JollyRgrs> what are you wanting to do with this?
17:30 < nooooooob> it doesn't provide MB's
17:30 < nooooooob> and it doesn't way the name of the folder
17:30 <@JollyRgrs> i told you it didn't
17:31 <@JollyRgrs> it doesn't what the name of the folder?
17:31 < nooooooob> can you add those?
17:31 <@JollyRgrs> sure, it is powershell, you can do anything
17:31 < nooooooob> sorry, say the name of the folder
17:31 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: i really want to help you
17:31 < nooooooob> i need it to first say MB's, then say the folder name
17:31 <@JollyRgrs> but i don't feel like you've put any real thought and time into this
17:32 < JFDkthx> haha
17:32 < nooooooob> i had a solution i found from before that was perfect, only it did too much
17:32 < nooooooob> provided more than i needed
17:32 < JFDkthx> then filter it
17:32 <@JollyRgrs> you "found a copy paste you can use" that did too much?
17:32 < JFDkthx> thats why god made excel
17:32  * DrGibby| pops some popcorn
17:32 <@JollyRgrs> you need to learn a bit of powershell, not just only copy/paste stuff
17:33 < nooooooob> JollyRgrs that's going to take time
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> i have time
17:33 < estranger> JollyRgrs, that goes against the stackoverflow way of life!
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: HAHAHAHAHA
17:33 < nooooooob> please, can you tell me how to get mb's and folder name
17:33 < FenJai__> Holy fuck, has anyone see what the reddit redesign looks like ?
17:33 < estranger> no
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> how do you convert B to MB?
17:33 < JFDkthx> FenJai__: yes
17:33 < JFDkthx> i do not like it
17:33 < estranger> concat a M
17:33 < syere> lol
17:34 < JFDkthx> reddit has been pretty much the same since i came from digg in 08
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> estranger:  good, so just concat an M to the number of bytes :P
17:34 < grumplestiltzkin> JollyRgrs: can you dig it?
17:34 < estranger> sounds right to me
17:34 < JFDkthx> i didnt like the change in digg and i wont like the change for reddit
17:34 < estranger> back to fark!
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: no :P
17:35 < nooooooob> JollyRgrs  will this help you to help me?  ft @{l='Size [MB]'; e={'{0:N2}    ' -f ($_.Size/ 1MB)}},FullName
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> what's that e= thing about
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> 0:N2?
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> what are you doing there
17:35 < Hatter> JollyRgrs helps me debug my powershell scripts all the time, he loves it
17:36 < estranger> fuck. i want Portillos
17:36 < JFDkthx> everyone knows e=mc^2 not e={'{0:N2}
17:36 < estranger> whos picking up lunch for us today?
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> (Get-ChildItem -Recurse c:\software | Measure-Object -Sum Length).Sum/1MB
17:36 < JFDkthx> s/rtillos/litics
17:36 <+layer-eight> estranger meant: "fuck. i want Politics"
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: what is portillos?
17:36 < nooooooob> ok
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> meh he can?
17:36 < estranger> first off, JFDkthx, don't mess w/ portillos
17:36 < Heresiarch> estranger: ...Portillo's. You had to mention it, didn't you.
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: you still need to learn how to echo something to the screen
17:37 < estranger> JollyRgrs, it's a local chicagoland chain that is known for their hotdogs and dipped beef sandwiches
17:37 <@JollyRgrs> ah
17:37 <@JollyRgrs> dipped beef? like french dip?
17:37 < Heresiarch> they also have pretty good burgers.
17:37 < estranger> Heresiarch, sorry man
17:37 < DrGibby|> portillos is amazing
17:37 < estranger> JollyRgrs, kinda.. so know how french dip you get that little cup of jus?
17:37 < Hatter> oh I could go for a nice french dip
17:38 < grumplestiltzkin> s/french/belgian
17:38 <+layer-eight> Hatter meant: "oh I could go for a nice belgian dip"
17:38 < estranger> JollyRgrs, well you get a beef sandwich and instead of a cup of juice they dip your entire fucking sandwich in a vat of juice
17:38 < estranger> its amazing.
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> ew
17:38 < estranger> abakedapplepie, you can get different levels of dipped
17:38 <+abakedapplepie> i like my bread to be crispy and structural
17:38 < estranger> abakedapplepie, but I suggest "wet" w/ "Extra hot" (giardiniera peppers)
17:38 < grumplestiltzkin> freshly dipped is different from full soggy
17:38 < nooooooob> Can i get it to round to the hundredths spot?
17:38 < nooooooob> Size [MB]      FullName
17:38 < nooooooob> ---------      --------
17:38 < nooooooob> 132,096.00     C:\VHDs
17:38 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: oh nice
17:39 < estranger> abakedapplepie, depends on the sandwich. bread is a huge factor in the quality of a sandwich
17:39 < nooooooob> With the column titles like that
17:39 <+abakedapplepie> nooooooob: isnt that hundredths?
17:39 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: it is
17:39 < Alternity> without bread is it really a sandwich
17:39 < estranger> JollyRgrs, if you ever come to chicagoland you gotta try it.  they are expanding to some other cities now too
17:39 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: try googling for things like "powershell round number to hundredths" and see what you get
17:39 < nooooooob> your result is simply "22391.5093212128"
17:40 < nooooooob> which not only lacks the headers, it isn't rounded
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: i'm providing the hard part
17:40 < estranger> whenever co-workers come to town i take them to portillos.. only the hippy california grass eaters dont like it
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> i expect you to put SOME effort into this
17:40 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: fyi, they're in FL now too.
17:40 < nooooooob> jollyrgrs, it is like learning chinese for me
17:40 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: orly?
17:41 <+abakedapplepie> nooooooob: | Select @{n="Custom Column Name";E={columnname.value}"} to change headers
17:41 <+abakedapplepie> im sure theres other ways too
17:41 <+abakedapplepie> idk
17:41 <@JollyRgrs> nooooooob: then try doing it in vbs or something else until you have time to learn?
17:41 <+abakedapplepie> s/}"}/}}
17:41 <+layer-eight> abakedapplepie meant: "nooooooob: | Select @{n="Custom Column Name";E={columnname.value}} to change headers"
17:41 <@JollyRgrs> if you don't know how to do the basics, you shouldn't be trying to make your own custom object with custom headers, etc either
17:41 < JFDkthx> nooooooob: billions of kids have learned chinese
17:41 < grumplestiltzkin> or pythong.  errybody knows pythong, right?
17:41 < JFDkthx> it cant be that hard
17:41 <@JollyRgrs> JFDkthx:  ha
17:42 < Heresiarch> ...Pythong. Where the indent goes between your cheeks.
17:43 < int0x1C8D> WHITESPACE HAS SYNTACTIC MEANING
17:43 < int0x1C8D> the whitespace between cheeks
17:43 < corn266> "Hey we know this website only accepts PDFs, but we like working with excel. So when you upload it, just add
17:43 < corn266> .pdf to the name"
17:44 < DrGibby|> https://thisis.absolutelymalware.com/documents/totallyawordfile.xls.pdf.exe
17:44 < Heresiarch> s/com/ru/
17:44 <+layer-eight> DrGibby| meant: "https://thisis.absolutelymalware.ru/documents/totallyawordfile.xls.pdf.exe"
17:44 < DrGibby|> nah
17:44 < corn266> well it says pdf so i'll trust it
17:45 < DrGibby|> my link works
17:45 <+MillerBOSS> Who are you trying to troll nooooooob?
17:45 <+MillerBOSS> 08:26:17 AM  nooooooob	can you please nominate me for voice?
17:45 <+MillerBOSS> I can nominate you to fuck off. How about that?
17:45 < JFDkthx> !nominate MillerBOSS fuck off
17:45 < corn266> !fuckof MillerBOSS nominate
17:45 < DrGibby|> !submit-oprequest
17:46 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah!
17:46 <+MillerBOSS> !submit-oprequest
17:47 <+MillerBOSS> Thanks JFDkthx and corn266
17:47 < JFDkthx> ur whale cum
17:47 <+MillerBOSS> When I see you nick I see cornholio
17:47 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbw8UMcqUJ4
17:47 <+layer-eight> YouTube I am the Great Cornholio, Why do I not use T.P for my Pee Pee by 2012-02-28T16:27:20.000Z (duration: 19s) on Tue Feb 28 23:27:20 UTC 2012, 2012-02-28T16:27:20.000Z views
17:48 < Hatter> alright guys settle down
17:48 <+MillerBOSS> Hatter 👉 Can you help us with that?
17:48 < Hatter> it's rude to point
17:49 < nooooooob> how do i incorporate @{n="Custom Column Name";E={columnname.value}} into (Get-ChildItem -Recurse C:\Software | Measure-Object -Sum Length).Sum/1MB | Out-File C:\Users\nsimo\Desktop\Size.txt
17:49 < JFDkthx> HA
17:50 < JFDkthx> now we know your name SIMON N
17:50 < JFDkthx> my plan is coming together
17:50 <+MillerBOSS> How many channels are you gonna post that in nooooooob?
17:50 <+MillerBOSS> nooooooob 👉 I'd suggest http://slack.poshcode.org/
17:50 < dragonfleas> got osticket working
17:50 < nooooooob> can't you guys just help me?  it is going to take me weeks on my own
17:50 < dragonfleas> just gotta figure out how to set up the email relay
17:51 <+MillerBOSS> nooooooob 👉 I will help you for a consulting fee
17:51 <+MillerBOSS> Also why would it takes you weeks on your own?
17:51 < Heresiarch> nooooooob: people have been helping you. What you appear to want is someone to give you the answer.
17:51 < Hatter> come on guys, he's begging, it's really embarrassing
17:51 <+MillerBOSS> Oh the answer, thats it, Heresiarch ?
17:51 <+MillerBOSS> Its 52
17:52 <+MillerBOSS> Duh
17:52 < nooooooob> i'm lack the coder genius baggage
17:52 < corn266> MillerBOSS: I never noticed he had crucifixtion hands
17:52 <+MillerBOSS> Butt-head?
17:52 < corn266> yea
17:53 < DrGibby|> s/52/42
17:53 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: "Its 42"
17:53 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah in the movie
17:53 < corn266> no the great cornholio
17:53 <+MillerBOSS> I forgot what happened
17:53 <+MillerBOSS> Its been years since I have watched that
17:54 < JFDkthx> corn266: haha you mean fucking stigmata
17:54 < JFDkthx> crucifiction hands
17:55 < corn266> "You can take me but you cannot take my bunghole"
17:56 <+suttin> I'm about to install powercli on a Linux box huehuehue
17:57 < JFDkthx> i mean, thats why they made it
18:06 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah this looks REAL legit https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-04-05-11-06-03-mc.png
18:06 <+MillerBOSS> Just got that now
18:06 <+MillerBOSS> They sent me 18 BTC OMG
18:07 < ravioli> :O
18:07 < estranger> YER RICH!
18:08 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
18:09 <+MillerBOSS> Some one claim that because I do not know how to use BTC. 18 BTC sounds like $100 in Monopoly money to me.
18:10 < tapoxi> wow glad I sold all my boatcons
18:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> tapoxi: do you still have your goatcoins?
18:11 < asimon> .value btc
18:11 < tapoxi> no I traded them for goats
18:12 < asimon> 6.7 kilobucks / 1 BTC if anyone was curious
18:12 < L3gacy> good bacon unto all!
18:12 <+MillerBOSS> I like cryptic1 bucks
18:13 < tapoxi> please send me money
18:14 < tapoxi> my dog keeps farting and needs to go on special food
18:14 < tapoxi> you wouldnt let a corgi starve would you
18:16 < JFDkthx> tapoxi: i would
18:16 < JFDkthx> i hate corgis
18:16 < tapoxi> why theyre adorable
18:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> how can you hate a pupper
18:16 < estranger> wow zelle only works from this banks mobile app
18:16 < estranger> that's dumb
18:16 < JFDkthx> McDonaldsWiFi: because corgis are the donald trumps of the dog world
18:17 < JFDkthx> little ugly orange cheetos
18:17 < JFDkthx> that people only like ironically
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> maybe half the country likes orange cheeto dogs
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> rekt
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> get fukt JFDkthx
18:17 < ravioli> dae pci compliance
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> say it my face
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh wait, you can't JFDkthx
18:17 < ravioli> McDonaldsWiFi: dae pci compliance
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> DAE?!!
18:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> eccksss deeee
18:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> JFDkthx: hey do'nt say anything in the next 10 seconds if your mom knows you're gay
18:18 < estranger> this app is fucking terrible
18:19 < ravioli> McDonaldsWiFi: take it to #crude
18:20 < grumplestiltzkin> We were staying at a castle in Ireland for a night. It was pretty small as castles go - but this castle had 2 dogs on premise. One was like half corgi and half mutt. 'castledog' we called him.  Castledog would drop a pile of pebbles from his mouth at your feet.  If you threw the pebbles, castledog would retrieve them, and count the correct amount
18:21 < Bru-> morn
18:21 < grumplestiltzkin> weirdest trick ever, and the staff said nobody trained him to do it
18:21 < Bru-> interview at $MSP went well
18:21 < estranger> nice!
18:21 < estranger> Bru-, whats your greatest weakness?
18:21 < Bru-> i care too much
18:21 < estranger> lol
18:21 < Bru-> huhu
18:22 < estranger> deviled eggs
18:22 < Bru-> probably zoning in too much
18:22 < Bru-> on something that i shouldve re-delegated at times
18:22 < estranger> if you put out unlimited deviled eggs ill keep eating until my cholesterol hits 350
18:22 < Bru-> deviled eggs are delicious
18:23 < estranger> yeah they are
18:23 < Bru-> know whats even better?
18:23 < Bru-> fried pickles
18:23 < estranger> those go great with deviled eggs
18:23 < estranger> fried pickle deviled eggs.
18:23 < estranger> oh shit
18:23 < mrghostman> scotch eggs
18:23 < estranger> i need lunch soon
18:24 < estranger> !voice
18:24 < JFDkthx> about time
18:24  * JFDkthx is no longer being oppressed
18:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> <3
18:25 < estranger> this has been the worst spring ever so far
18:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> worst srping
18:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> worst than any other spring, ever
18:25 < JFDkthx> estranger: it's still fucking snowing here
18:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> in the history of springs
18:25 < JFDkthx> i quit
18:25 < estranger> yeah not sure ive seen >freezing more than a few hours
18:25  * estranger idles his SUVs longer
18:25 < estranger> im doing all I can!!
18:26 < JFDkthx> god made remote start for a reason
18:26 < JFDkthx> to prevent global cooling
18:26 < estranger> yes
18:26 < JFDkthx> since on average the world has been cooling down
18:26 < estranger> actually i need to look into remote start
18:26 < estranger> i got one of those smart keys on the suv, figured that would make it tough
18:27 < JFDkthx> just have it bluetooth enabled
18:27 < Hempux> Hello everyone!
18:27 < JFDkthx> oh great
18:27 < dragonfleas> i have no idea how to set up email on osticket
18:27 < dragonfleas> i want it to route through exchange
18:27 < dragonfleas> so I probably need to set up a receieve connector?
18:28 < Hempux> dragonfleas, Like send it through an on prem server?
18:28 < dragonfleas> yes
18:28 < dragonfleas> i have on-prem exchange, i need emails to be able to be routed internally
18:28 < dragonfleas> osticket->exchange->users emails
18:29 < Hempux> Maybe with the postfix package you can asign an smtp server with authentication and then send mail from oticket?
18:29 < grumplestiltzkin> farcry 5 (and the whole series?) are all single player sandbox with a story like a bethesda game?   or is it more like borderlands?
18:30 < Hempux> I use it to send mail from icinga2
18:30 < Jekotia> grumple: the former
18:30 < Stoob> quick fix just set up an open receive connector, noauth on port25 , set smtp host in osticket to the exchange ip port 25
18:30 < Jekotia> grumple: the former
18:30 < Stoob> bingo bango bongo
18:31 < estranger> lol stoob
18:31 < grumplestiltzkin> Jekotia: thanks
18:31 < Stoob> you'll get your emails and maybe even more than just from osticket :)
18:31 < estranger> JFDkthx, bluetooth enabled remote start?
18:31 < grumplestiltzkin> !nominate Jekotia Intimate technical knowledge helped resolve an outstanding enquiery from an issue
18:34 < dragonfleas> Hempux, i'm confused on what to do
18:34 < dragonfleas> Stoob, i did that and i'm getting an error in osticket saying it can't start tls
18:35 < Jekotia> I hate Adobe. I'm using the original installation media and standalone product key for Acrobat 8, and the installer is telling me that it can't find an "upgrade qualifying product" on the system... Sigh.
18:35 < Stoob> then tell it not to start tls?
18:36 < Stoob> (or tell exchange to start tls)
18:36 < dragonfleas> yeah i disabled tls in the connector
18:36 < dragonfleas> but i'm getting failures on send still lol
18:36 < Stoob> gonna have to say what the error actually is then
18:37 < Hempux> "uncaugh exception: unknown error"
18:37 < Hempux> s/uncaugh/uncaught
18:37 <+layer-eight> Hempux meant: ""uncaught exception: unknown error""
18:37 <+MillerBOSS> Guys
18:37 <+MillerBOSS> Freenode as been sold to Cryptic1 Enterprises
18:37 <+MillerBOSS> More news to follow.
18:37 <+MillerBOSS> has*
18:38 < dragonfleas> Unable to email via SMTP:mailserver.domain.local:25 [] Failed to send data [SMTP: Invalid response code received from server (code: 550, response: 5.7.1 Sender ID (PRA) Domain Does Not Exist)]
18:39 <+MillerBOSS> No shit sherlock
18:39 <+MillerBOSS> mailserver.domain.local
18:39 <+MillerBOSS> Unless you resolve that internally
18:39 < Hempux> dragonfleas, my way might be more convoluted than just using a sender in exchange but if you can't get that to work i'll see if i can't access my icinga2 box from home and check my config
18:39 < Hempux> MillerBOSS, maybe he changed it to not tell us the fqdn of his mailserver?
18:39 <+MillerBOSS> Do ya think Hempux ?
18:39 < dragonfleas> i did change it so you guys wouldn't know my FQDN lol
18:40 < dragonfleas> i'm not an idiot
18:40 <+MillerBOSS> And neither am I. :P
18:40 < dragonfleas> MillerBOSS, i get what you are saying
18:40 <+MillerBOSS> Lol
18:40 < Hempux> MillerBOSS, Its what i'd do, i don't trust you guys with anything :P
18:40 < gnupluslinux> >i'm not an idiot
18:40 < gnupluslinux> what have we told you about telling blatant lies dragonfleas
18:40 < dragonfleas> gnupluslinux, don't start it
18:40 < dragonfleas> being a noob, and being an idiot are mutually exclusive
18:40 <+MillerBOSS> Naturally.
18:41  * Jekotia puts on his dunce cap and sits happily in the corner
18:41 < dragonfleas> lmao
18:41  * gnupluslinux joins JollyRgrs 
18:41 < Jekotia> If you own it, no one can use it against you ^_^
18:41  * gnupluslinux joins Jekotia 
18:41  * MillerBOSS is listening to C+C Music Factory — Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now), from the album Gonna Make You Sweat (feat. David Cole, Freedom Williams & Zelma Davis)
18:41  * gnupluslinux leaves cause the corner smells of piss
18:41 <+MillerBOSS> Get in to the groooove
18:41 < dragonfleas> MillerBOSS, should I set up an external connector and set up mailboxes for each mailbox on osticket and authenticate to those mailboxes?
18:41 <+MillerBOSS> YA
18:42 <+MillerBOSS> Set up an external connector to the generator.
18:42 < Hempux> Does anyone here dabble with C#?
18:42 < gnupluslinux> yes
18:42 <+MillerBOSS> dragonfleas 👉 I was totally trolling. I was not paying attention, sorry.
18:43 < gnupluslinux> Hempux, you forgot your using statement and need to fully qualify your object to avoid ambiguity
18:43 < Stoob> dragonfleas: you got spamfiltering problems basically.  whatever domain you're sending as from osticket isn't resolvable from your exchange server
18:43 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, This is very specific but i have a runspace that i run powershell inside and im trying to make everything i do run in a persistant thread(or whatever) so i can access variables in it
18:43 < Stoob> (and because of that, senderID is rejecting it as spam)
18:43 < Stoob> (may need to set SPF record for said domain as well)
18:44 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, Right now i can do powershell but when invoke something i just get the output and whatever is in the pipeline is gone
18:44 < dragonfleas> Spoof, i'm not sure it's rejecting it as spam because i have PTRG set up the exact same way and it works
18:45 < gnupluslinux> Hempux, so you want to have a running job acting upon an object and pull out data from said object while the job is running?
18:46 < dragonfleas> i wonder if there are security connection requirements of the php mailer that isn't required by ptrg
18:46 < dragonfleas> prtg*
18:46 < Stoob> dragonfleas: are you sure 'ptrg' is set up the *exact* same way? including sender address and all
18:47 < dragonfleas> yep
18:47 < dragonfleas> even the connector is set up EXACTLY the same
18:47 < Stoob> no typoes? not sending from prtg@dragonfleas.sucks instead of support@dragonfleas.sucks?
18:47 < gnupluslinux> i dont know about powershell but i'd create an object with with a member of something in System.Collections.Concurrent, have the object funct that starts up a System.Threading.Task, set up some cancellation tokens so it knows when you want it to stop, then pull from MyObj.ThreadSafeMember or whatever
18:48 < gnupluslinux> assuming you dont want to clear the object between pulls
18:48 < aName> The answer is probably no, but is there a way to tell if there USED to be an active directory user by a name?
18:48 < corn266> If I create a user in linux without logon permissions, can someone `su <user>` and run programs as that user?
18:48 < aName> corn266: Yes
18:49 < corn266> egg salad
18:49 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, Yes. If have my functions return powershell objects i can just save them to a collection and use that, right?
18:49 < Stoob> aName: outside of tombstoning/recyclebin I wouldn't think so
18:50 < Hempux> >ask HR
18:50 < gnupluslinux> yeah but know when and where you're returning from. return to me implies the thing is done and won't be processing anymore. if you want to pull while it's running, i'd set it up with an accessor
18:50 < Stoob> obviously you should maintain login audit logs for 10 years and just grep through those
18:50 < Hempux> Ahhhh
18:50 < Hempux> Thanks
18:50 < gnupluslinux> System.Collections.Conccurent.ConcurrentQueue<T> or something
18:50 < Hempux> Stoob, I dont think that's GDPR compliant
18:50 < dragonfleas> I think it may be because I can't specify a helo identifier
18:51 < dragonfleas> i'm not sure i'll be able to use a relay
18:51 < aName> Stoob: In this case, it'll probably be easier just to ask my boss when he gets back from his meeting
18:51 < aName> But thanks
18:51 < aName> Just read on tombstones a bit and apparently none of the usual tools see them so it'd be a bit of hassle
18:51 < gnupluslinux> have a callable funct within the obj that spits back whatever is currently in the ConcurrentQueue<T>
18:52 < Stoob> psh i cant believe the resolution could be "talk to someone" in #reddit-sysadmin??
18:52 < aName> Stoob: lol
18:52 < gnupluslinux> someone in ##csharp will probably call me out on bad practices or soemthing :P
18:53 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, I started with c# a few days ago so i dont even know the good practices
18:54 < Hempux> I'll just wing it and be happy as long as it compiles
18:54 < gnupluslinux> ##csharp is there
18:54 < MikeSpears> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/05/fireeye_breach_report/ AMERICA IS NUMBER 1
18:54 < gnupluslinux> they're reasonably active
18:54 < MikeSpears> "Organisations in EMEA are taking almost six months (175 days) to detect an intruder in their networks, which is rather more than the 102 days that the firm found when asking the same questions last year. In contrast, the median dwell time in the Americas has improved from  at 76 days in 2017, compared with 99 in 2016. Globally it stands at 101 days."
18:54 < gnupluslinux> same with #powershell
18:56 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, Thanks!
18:56 < dragonfleas> i cannot figure this out
18:57 <+abakedapplepie> git gud
18:57 < gnupluslinux> stop sucking
18:58 < Jekotia> corn266: When you say without login permissions, what exactly do you mean? I've run into issues trying to execute as a user that has no default shell set, for example
19:01 < Hempux> dragonfleas, I might be able to help, i figured out why i couldn't SSH to my icinga2 box, i wasn't connected to my icinga2 box
19:01 < dragonfleas> Hempux, what
19:01 < dragonfleas> i don't understand that
19:03 < Hempux> dragonfleas, i was SSHed to the wrong host, was going to log in and look at my postfix config so i might be able to help you send mail by using the on prem smtp server
19:03 < dragonfleas> dude that would be helpful
19:04 < Hempux> Do you have postfix installed?
19:04 < dragonfleas> no
19:05 < Stoob> https://www.europeregistry.com/domain/frontSearch?domain=dragonfleas.sucks
19:05 < gnupluslinux> i figured postfix was standard in most installs
19:05 < dragonfleas> how do i check?
19:06 < dragonfleas> no i don't have it
19:06 < dragonfleas> does this not have a built in SMTP server?
19:06 < mkillebrew> wtf are you even doing
19:06 < dragonfleas> maybe that's the issue
19:06 < gnupluslinux> apt list --installed | grep postfix
19:06 < mkillebrew> are you still trying to setup a mail server, but haven't realized yet you have to install a mail server?
19:07 < dragonfleas> i just realized
19:07 < dragonfleas> osticket doesn't come with built in SMTP mailer
19:07 < gnupluslinux> install... a mail server? pffft look at this guy not rolling his own
19:07 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: What exactly is it you're trying to do? Send email via another SMTP server?
19:07 < dragonfleas> ^
19:07 < dragonfleas> jekotia you are correct
19:07 < Stoob> he's trying to relay the mail off of his exchange server
19:07 < dragonfleas> ^
19:07 < Stoob> there's no need for a local relay imho
19:08 < Stoob> (when its just going to relay off his exchange immediately afterward)
19:08 < dragonfleas> ok
19:08 < dragonfleas> so i don't need an smtp service on my server?
19:08 < Jekotia> Something I stumbled on recently is ssmtp. It focuses on doing one job: sending mail via a SMTP server that isn't local. The config is really easy, and it's sendmail compatible
19:08 < Stoob> not to just send mail from friggin osticket you shouldn't
19:09 < dragonfleas> Stoob, well i've configured everything in osticket correctly i think
19:09 < aName> omfg. I spent like, six hours troubleshooting this one ticket
19:09 < dragonfleas> but i get errors when trying to send mail to my email
19:09 < aName> turns out my coworker forgot to reapply the new license key over the expired one
19:09 < Hempux> aName, and it was a DNS problem?
19:09 < gnupluslinux> good thing you're done cause we werent gonna give you a seventh
19:09 < aName> Hempux: For once, no
19:09 <@JollyRgrs> i sent this to my wife for figuring out a dog name: http://www.clanofthewroshyr.com/nameguide.html
19:10 < Stoob> dragonfleas: get a proper debug log (ideally network capture) of it attempting to send and failing, and then get a proper debug log (ideally network capture) of prtg attempting to send and succeeding.
19:10 < Hempux> JollyRgrs, so do you just pick one prefix and one suffix?
19:10 < Hempux> JollyRgrs, Arrian sounds nice
19:10 < Stoob> then compare the hostnames because i'm 95% that it's the domain resolution from exchange
19:11 < dragonfleas> hmmmmm
19:11 < dragonfleas> i'm not sure how to pull smtp debug logs from osticket
19:11 <@JollyRgrs> Hempux: it says tou can combine mult. if you want
19:11 < dragonfleas> let me research
19:11 <@JollyRgrs> Hempux: harrrr
19:11 < gnupluslinux> mfw JollyRgrs just names his dog LRRRRRR
19:12 < Stoob> dragonfleas: tcpdump may help if it's not encrypted
19:12 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, Ruler of the planet Omicron Persei 8
19:12 < dragonfleas> ok fuck this
19:12 < Hempux> dragonfleas, Ima PM u
19:13 < dragonfleas> can i just send mail directly from osticket instead of relaying
19:13 < dragonfleas> if i install postfix
19:13 < Hempux> Yes
19:13 < Stoob> that's the definition of relay
19:13 < Jekotia> It would be more complex to setup though
19:13 < Stoob> right now you're trying to send mail directly to the delivering server (exchange)
19:14 < Stoob> adding a relay to the mix is obnoxious and way overcomplicates the setup
19:15 < Stoob> you need to figure out the exact difference in behavior between your known good (prtg) and cleary bad (osticket) configurations
19:15 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/SSMTP If all you want is to hand off to another SMTP server, I'd go with that over postfix. Postfix is a full mail server, which is excessive for your use case
19:16 < dragonfleas> i just installed postfix
19:16 < Stoob> since you're claiming they're the same receive connector in exchange, that makes me think prtg is using a different name for either its announcement or its send-from address than osticket
19:16 < dragonfleas> Jekotia, is that simple smtp?
19:16 < Jekotia> Also just noticed ssmtp is no longer maintained and they recommend msmtp
19:17 < dragonfleas> i'm just going to use msmtp
19:17 < Stoob> jesus going to postfix to resolve this is like saying "I can't take my package to the post office because my car won't start. should I get a trailer so I can carry more packages?"
19:18 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: I've been looking at ticket systems and am going to give osticket a try. It will be easier to help you once I have it running ^_^
19:18 < Hempux> Stoob, Im just too lazy to do it right :p
19:19 < dragonfleas> ok i installed msmtp
19:19 < dragonfleas> now to figure this out
19:21 < dragonfleas> for some reason it didn't create a config file -________-
19:21 < dragonfleas> i'm in /etc/ and there should be a msmtprc file and it's not there
19:22 < Jekotia> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Msmtp
19:22 < dragonfleas> Jekotia, i'm literally on that right now
19:22 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: Then copy+paste the basic setup example and change as needed :)
19:22 < dragonfleas> oh
19:22 < dragonfleas> so it doens't autogenerate one?
19:22 < Jekotia> Apparently not
19:23 < Jekotia> I've never used msmtp. I only just learned about it when I linked to ssmtp's ArchWiki page and saw the notice that it's no longer maintained and that I should consider msmtp instead
19:24 < dragonfleas> yeah that example file isn't there either
19:24 < dragonfleas> lmao
19:24 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: From the wiki. The wiki has an example of the config.
19:26 < dragonfleas> i found the file
19:27 < dragonfleas> the wiki just needs to be updated
19:29 < dragonfleas> does the php mta work with msmtp?
19:29 < aName> https://github.com/rickypc/robotframework-extendedselenium2library Praise JEBUS!
19:29 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: You say that, but are you even on arch? The msmtp package for your distro could easily be different from the one documented on the archwiki ;)
19:29 < dragonfleas> no
19:29 < dragonfleas> i'm on ubuntu lmao
19:30 < Jekotia> Then you can't take an arch page on the program as law, period
19:30 < Jekotia> Different distros do things differently
19:30 < grumplestiltzkin> laughing my arteries off
19:30 < dragonfleas> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
19:30 < dragonfleas> fucking linux
19:31 < Jekotia> It could be something simple (the official CentOs7 package for apache2 uses the apache user, while the official debian one uses www-data)
19:31 < Jekotia> Or something more drastic like different file locations
19:31 < dragonfleas> is everyone in this irc a linux admin
19:31 < dragonfleas> i feel like i'm the only windows only admin
19:31 < Jekotia> I envy someone that can honestly answer that as "yes" with no extra notes for accuracy
19:32 < gnupluslinux> pretty sure most of us here are windows dragonfleas
19:32 < dragonfleas> i don't know shit about linux
19:32 < Jekotia> A lot of IT people have many hats, sometimes ones they wish they could get rid of
19:32 < Selavi> windows admin at work, personal servers are linux
19:32 < gnupluslinux> active directory shits all over samba or whatever the current offering is
19:32 < dragonfleas> i guess i've learned more about linux in this IRC than i have working anywhere
19:32 < Hempux> dragonfleas, Can't trust linux systems, they're all open source so anyone can put anything in the source code
19:33 < gnupluslinux> even places that are linux at work still probably still run AD
19:33 < Hempux> Thats why i run windows on everything, its safer
19:33 < dragonfleas> Hempux, i don't know how much i believe that
19:33 < gnupluslinux> Hempux, you joke but i've heard that argument almost verbatim more times than i care to admit
19:33 < Bru-> arg
19:33 < gnupluslinux> from guys being totally srs
19:33 < dragonfleas> i figured that was a joke
19:33 < gnupluslinux> Bru-, ugh
19:34 < Hempux> gnupluslinux, Its funny until you hear someone say it without being sarcastic
19:34 < gnupluslinux> u still looking for those i7s?
19:34 < Bru-> gnupluslinux: which ones?
19:34 < Bru-> 3770?
19:34 < gnupluslinux> Hempux, heard it totally srs more than i care to admit. mostly cause i dont remember how often :P
19:34 < Hatter> I have many hats
19:34 < gnupluslinux> Bru-, yeah
19:34 < Bru-> i mean
19:34 < Bru-> im interested still kinda
19:34 < Jekotia> The earliest Linux experience I can recall was in highschool. The project was to take a broken PC, determine which parts were faulty, replace things as needed, and get it running an OS. For shits-and-giggles (and to troll my teacher), I installed 4 different distros and basically killed the grub menu so that you had to use the command line to tell it what to boot ^_^
19:35 < Bru-> gnupluslinux: i7-2700s too
19:35 < grumplestiltzkin> s/windows/BeOS
19:35 <+layer-eight> Hempux meant: "Thats why i run BeOS on everything, its safer"
19:35 < gnupluslinux> can't trust linux! can't trust open source! it's open! anyone can put anything in there! even worse, anyone can see the code and make exploits on it!
19:35 < Hempux> What is BeOS? a pimped BiOS?
19:35 < gnupluslinux> as if most exploits weren't side channel or ripping users as opposed to making use of some supposed backdoor
19:36 < grumplestiltzkin> my favorite is when, in full sincerity, to make a point, people (just one) calls anything open source "shareware"
19:36 < Hempux> nvm i did the googling thing
19:36 < gnupluslinux> cant trust freeware
19:36 < gnupluslinux> the "no support" argument i can get behind though. fuck dealing with open source shit if i gotta support it too
19:37 < corn266> mmmmmm my 13th reinstall of RHEL
19:37 < gnupluslinux> Bru-, can you even find 2700s anymore
19:37 < Bru-> ebay
19:38 < Bru-> gnupluslinux: you have some 3770 :D ?
19:38 < gnupluslinux> wtf they're still going for 150ish on ebay
19:38 < gnupluslinux> dahell
19:38 < dragonfleas> alright i'm going on lunch
19:38 < gnupluslinux> Bru-, think i got a mobile one in my laptop :P
19:38 < Hempux> corn266, How do you manage to break it 12 times?
19:38 < dragonfleas> i need to take a break from linux
19:38 < dragonfleas> anyone recommend a good crash course for linux course?
19:38 < Bru-> gnupluslinux: :P i have my home laptop with a 3630HQ or somthing
19:39 < corn266> Hempux: Tried installing CUDA which broke gnome which DSS requires on their authorized systems
19:39 < gnupluslinux> where is orderchaos
19:39 < grumplestiltzkin> to 'take a break', you want to take a crash course?
19:39 < dragonfleas> grumplestiltzkin, i meant for later
19:39 < gnupluslinux> there used to be a learn linux the hard way thing on the toobs
19:39 < gnupluslinux> think it's down though
19:39 < corn266> For some reason installing CUDA messes up the boot sequence and you can only use the machine in multi-user.target mode
19:39 < Hempux> corn266, Oh
19:39 < grumplestiltzkin> dragonfleas: CBT nuggets is pretty reliable instructions.  my opinion of the few I have seen anyway
19:39 < dragonfleas> should i just build an arch linux box at home?
19:40 < dragonfleas> or linux from scratch lmao
19:40 < corn266> dragonfleas: gentoo or gtfo
19:40 < dragonfleas> i'm sure i'll be pulling my hair out 30 minutes in
19:40 < Hempux> Start with busybox :p
19:40 < dragonfleas> corn266, i already have gentoo on a lappy at home
19:40 < dragonfleas> wtf is busybox
19:40 < gnupluslinux> fuck arch linux
19:40 < Hempux> Its just a magical file that does whatever you call it as long as its compiled to do it
19:40 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: I'd start with ubuntu. It's a good entry point to the environment
19:40 < gnupluslinux> the arch wiki on the other hand is pretty nice
19:41 < dragonfleas> ok
19:41 < dragonfleas> i'll try to use ubuntu as a daily driver
19:41 < Jekotia> From there, figure out what you like/dislike with it and then look into alternatives
19:41 < Hempux> Is ubuntu 18 live yet?
19:41 < corn266> ubuntu 18 drops on the 26th
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> Hempux: 18.04?
19:41 < gnupluslinux> looks like this is still kidna there https://archive.is/Akjau
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, usually they hit end of the months from what i remember
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> like 18.10 will be near halloween
19:42 < gnupluslinux> aye 26th. code freeze on the 19th iirc
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: yeah, ubuntu is a good starter and good for a daily driver
19:42 < gnupluslinux> dragonfleas, https://archive.is/Akjau if ya wanna check it out. havent used it for awhile tho
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> tbh, if i didn't do gaming, i'd probably still be using ubuntu for my daily
19:42 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, stop being poor and have a separate rig
19:43 < gnupluslinux> or PCI passthrough a gpu
19:43 < Hempux> JollyRgrs, According to the internet the stable LTS release date is April 26th
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> that's not even about being poor (though it is)
19:43  * gnupluslinux regrets not buying a gpu earlier
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> but i don't have room for another box, nor want to have the extra thermal dissapation
19:43 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: Something you may appreciate more than ubuntu, actually, is Parrot. It's based on Ububtu, but geared more towards IT
19:44 < Casteil> "learn linux the hard way"
19:44 <@JollyRgrs>  something you'll appreciate greatly is a "widely supported" distro that you decide to use for your daily driver
19:44 < Casteil> ...linux is straight up red pill, there is no 'easy way' to learn linux
19:44 < corn266> 1080s are $650-700 on newegg rn
19:44 < gnupluslinux> i still vote ubuntu over centos or something as a starter
19:45 <@JollyRgrs> Casteil: you don't have to dive in straight raw dag without foreplay
19:45 <@JollyRgrs> at least tweak a nipple first or something
19:45 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, grab a gpu and do passthrough?
19:45 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: grab a gpu he says
19:45 < gnupluslinux> yeah
19:45 < grumplestiltzkin> Oh, feedback on that microcenter 17" laptop with the 1070: so far it's great. it came with very little bloatware (I haven't wiped it yet) - the only annoying thing is when you hit scroll lock, caps lock, etc - a black box pops up in the top left telling you so.  Im not sure if that's builtin or winders 10 - I haven't been able to turn it off yet, but havent put much time in either.     besides that, it (as expected) blows away my
19:45 < grumplestiltzkin> previous laptop that was running game(s)
19:45 < gnupluslinux> $stopbeingpoot
19:45 < gnupluslinux> grumplestiltzkin, thats builtin iirc
19:45 < gnupluslinux> to winderz
19:45 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: prob a "hot keys" driver
19:45 < gnupluslinux> yeah
19:45 <@JollyRgrs> not built in
19:46 <@JollyRgrs> b/c i don't et that
19:46 <@JollyRgrs> *get
19:46 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, tracking down what's actually doing it will be fun.
19:46 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: Def agree with JollyRgrs. If you do deviate from something like ubuntu, make sure it's still compatible with the software repos. Depending on how much a distro changes from what it's based on, it may Just Work with the same software, without limiting support
19:47 < Jekotia> e.g. Kubuntu is ubuntu with the kde shell as default, optimised for kde (if I recall correctly anyways. Haven't even thought of KDE for a decade)
19:47 < gnupluslinux> linux mint is nice too
19:47 < grumplestiltzkin> ^^^^ There's a metric fuckton of value in using something that may not be the absolute best, but has a large user/support base.
19:48 < gnupluslinux> built off ubuntu and pretty easy to pick up coming from windows
19:48 <@JollyRgrs> do you use linux thyme or linux oregano?
19:48 < gnupluslinux> no i opted for linux sage
19:48 < admiralspark> Linux Basil here
19:48 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: oh... like "windows"?
19:48 < gnupluslinux> it goes in every field
19:48 < admiralspark> I have some Thai Redhat Curry too
19:48 < admiralspark> good stuff
19:48 < Hempux> Do they run linux curry in India? A friend wants to know
19:48 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: it also will hold your computer ransom until you pay your last 6 yrs of support you failed to pay
19:49 < grumplestiltzkin> JollyRgrs: well, if you are having a problem, if it's on windows, youll probably be able to find a solution pretty quick
19:49 < grumplestiltzkin> same with redhat
19:49 < grumplestiltzkin> etc
19:49 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: exactly
19:49 < gnupluslinux> but dea think windows is the suxx0rz
19:49 < gnupluslinux> dae
19:49 <@JollyRgrs> RH/centos aren't desktop distros though, you'd wanna go fedora
19:49 < admiralspark> tbh, I use Windows at home with a clean enterprise image because fuck doing tech support when I get home
19:49 <@JollyRgrs> but you'd be fighting uphill trying to do fedora as a non-enterprisey type daily driver
19:49 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: CentOS definitely works on desktop ;)
19:49 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: i jsut use win10 pro and it works fine
19:50 < gnupluslinux> admiralspark, win ent n edition :)
19:50 < starbomba> 2018 year of the centOS desktop
19:50 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: oh i know it can, just that i wouldn't suggest
19:50 < gnupluslinux> only problem is if you wanna connect your phone you gotta grab the media features pack anyway
19:50 < starbomba> what is this "phone" you speak of
19:50 < admiralspark> Win7 Ent full here :P fuck win10, sick of spending hours securing the win10 builds at work every time they release a new image
19:50 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: some people don't just have a mini computer in their pocket...
19:50 <@JollyRgrs> they are also happy to see you
19:50 <@JollyRgrs> and can make phone calls from it, too
19:50 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: stick with Mint, if you want a desktop distro. The major deviations from ubuntu aren't server-focused anyway.
19:51 < starbomba> like i do on my watch?
19:51 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: securing what?
19:51 < admiralspark> Win10 desktop images
19:51 < starbomba> heresiarch you're going to get flogged in this channel for not having a negative opinion of any debian derivative
19:51 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: within win10 desktop... securing what?
19:51 < starbomba> this is a redsplat advocacy channel
19:51 < admiralspark> Applying DISA STIG's
19:51 < JFDkthx> just use disa's its so hardened you cant use it
19:51 < JFDkthx> yeah
19:51 < JFDkthx> admin
19:51 < admiralspark> yep
19:51 < JFDkthx> admiralspark:
19:51 < JFDkthx> fucking go to their site
19:51 < JFDkthx> and download their win10 image
19:51 < JFDkthx> ffs
19:52 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: and for your home computer you feel compelled to do the same?
19:52 < admiralspark> Cant use it with KMS Enterprise brah
19:52 < starbomba> i like installing operating systems that are so secure i can't use them
19:52 < admiralspark> no?
19:52 < JFDkthx> are you a dirty ass contractor?
19:52 < admiralspark> I just said I dont do shit on the home computer?
19:52 < Heresiarch> starbomba: meh. Ubuntu has its nice bits, but it's a shit desktop (unity).
19:52 < admiralspark> no?
19:52 < starbomba> heresiarch, ubuntu ejected on unity literally last year
19:52 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: I don't build the images
19:52 < starbomba> git informed, brah
19:52 < gnupluslinux> Heresiarch, they're dropping unity (finally) in 18.04
19:52 < admiralspark> I tell others how to do it
19:52 < JFDkthx> why cant you use it with kms
19:52 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, and i used to use gnome ubuntu prior to that
19:52 < mkillebrew> it's just linux, you can put literally any other gui on there
19:52 < starbomba> i use a combination of desktops
19:53 < Heresiarch> starbomba: I can't download an LTS today with GNOME/Cinnamon/MATE by sticking with Ubuntu.
19:53 < starbomba> right now i'm working under mate
19:53 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: licensing for the DISA image is MAK only last I checked (4 mo ago)
19:53 < starbomba> not an LTS, maybe. although isn't 17 LTS?
19:53 < starbomba> (mint 17)
19:53 < starbomba> 17.2, i believe
19:53 < JFDkthx> false, we use kms
19:53 < Heresiarch> starbomba: mmhm. Thus why I advocate for Mint (it follows 16.04LTS)
19:53 < admiralspark> with a DISA STIG image? 1709?
19:53 < JFDkthx> yeap
19:53 < admiralspark> link it then
19:53 < starbomba> ah, yeah, i knew it had something to do with ubuntu's LTS pattern)
19:53 < JFDkthx> its literally what we are rolling out right meow
19:54 < JFDkthx> you got a CAC?
19:54 < admiralspark> No
19:54 <@JollyRgrs> I got a BIG CAC
19:54 < JFDkthx> then i cant link it fool
19:54 < grumplestiltzkin> mint is pretty cool because there is very little that you need to set up for basic user mode.  There were some rumors about security issues though, I didn't ding into that much
19:54 < admiralspark> Electric Utility. All the regulation, none of the benefits
19:54 < starbomba> like a beer can, right jollyrgrs
19:54 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: you like cacs?
19:54 < starbomba> i am a casual observer of cacs
19:54 < Heresiarch> starbomba: I'll probably upgrade when the new Mint ver comes out that tracks 18.04LTS.
19:54 <@JollyRgrs> caaaacs, d'ya like cacs?
19:54 < gnupluslinux> grumplestiltzkin, its also way easier to pick up if you're giving it to someone used to windows
19:54 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: now I get it, you're DOD?
19:54 < starbomba> heresiarch, that's the next upgrade i'm waiting for on this lappy
19:54 < JFDkthx> starbomba: operation goldenflow was always shitty
19:54 < admiralspark> lucky
19:54 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: no
19:54 < starbomba> it's been living at my office doing windows machine management for the last...six months or so i guess
19:55 < admiralspark> you have a CAC as a civ?
19:55 < JFDkthx> for stuff like this you get one.
19:55 < admiralspark> man
19:55 < starbomba> i should probably put my req in for an i9 now and get this one ready to be a travelling/backup laptop
19:55 < admiralspark> I'd like to know how that works
19:56 < JFDkthx> if you're in an environment that requires this type of stuff, or operate on an airgapped domain where they require you to meet their standards. you go get your dirty contractor cac
19:56 < admiralspark> DoE won't issue them and has a hard enough time letting us ask for permission to apply for their clearances
19:56 < admiralspark> oh
19:56 < admiralspark> ohhhhhhh
19:56 < JFDkthx> yeeeeeeeaaahhhh
19:56 < admiralspark> hmmm. I think I am 'le fucked' as they would say, then
19:56 < JFDkthx> are you RD?
19:56 < admiralspark> I'll look and see if I can find someone else justifying it then
19:57 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: don't know what that is, so going to assume no
19:57 < JFDkthx> okay
19:57 < JFDkthx> still go to your customers security guy
19:57 < JFDkthx> and have him get the image for you
19:57 < admiralspark> I am the security guy, not a contractor
19:57 < JFDkthx> for the DoE?
19:57 < admiralspark> and my ent doesn't have access
19:57 < admiralspark> no
19:57 < admiralspark> for a utility
19:58 < JFDkthx> and they are requiring disa stigs?
19:58 < admiralspark> we fall under NERC-CIP regulation and get jerked around by said DoE
19:58 < admiralspark> DISA STIG's check all the boxes for NERC-CIP in their categories
19:58 < admiralspark> since, yknow, based on the same root ruleset
19:58 <+AnonymooseWork> afternoon all
19:58 < admiralspark> it's a long story...
19:58 < admiralspark> sup AnonymooseWork
19:59 < arlion> AnonymooseWork: don't impose your time of day on me. I'm a-time-less.
19:59 < gnupluslinux> i already want to gtfo
19:59 < arlion> atimeual
19:59 < arlion> as-time-ual?
19:59 < arlion> Doing a 5k run this evening.
19:59 <+AnonymooseWork> good for you
20:00 < arlion> Except I'm doing it in one of those inflatuable dino costumes.
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm surprised you mericans call it a 5k
20:00 < arlion> me too.
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> considering thats a metric measurement
20:00 < arlion> it's silly
20:00 < arlion> Brah, huge fan of metric here.
20:00 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: if you know someone with a CAC https://disa.deps.mil/ext/cop/iase/dod-images/Pages/Win10.aspx
20:00 < arlion> Both of my cars are Japanese so it's always silly converting everything into american..3
20:00 < JFDkthx> give that to them
20:04  * starbomba orders mega bowl of teriyaki chicken & rice
20:05 < JFDkthx> teriyaki is gross
20:05 < JFDkthx> can you at least eat good food
20:05  * MikeCZ just a Wendy's spicy chicken sammich
20:06 < estranger> i havent had wendies in a long time
20:06 < estranger> #6 is p good
20:07 < starbomba> "teriyaki is gross" is a literal non-statement
20:07 < alazare619> what is the actual diffrence between qemu-kvm
20:07 < alazare619> and kvm
20:07 < alazare619> can kvm do windows
20:07 < alazare619> or do i need qemu-kvm for that?
20:08 < starbomba> i'm not sure kvm is suited to cleaning your office
20:09 < JFDkthx> starbomba: its a statement
20:09 < JFDkthx> the statement is that the flavor known as teriyaki
20:09 < JFDkthx> is gros
20:09 < JFDkthx> s
20:10 < starbomba> there is no "flavor known as teriyaki"
20:10 < starbomba> you may as well be saying "calories are nasty"
20:10 < estranger> tacos are delicious
20:11 < JFDkthx> they are nasty
20:11 < JFDkthx> look at thwat they do to fat people
20:11 < JFDkthx> s/thwat/what
20:11 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "look at what they do to fat people"
20:11 < starbomba> i'm forced to read the mindnuggets of fat people every day in here
20:11 < starbomba> including yours
20:11 < JFDkthx> thats a non-statement starbomba
20:11 < Hatter> this song was stuck in my head for some reason: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W0sKbq54Lk
20:11 < starbomba> case in point
20:11 <+layer-eight> YouTube They Might Be Giants - A Self Called Nowhere by 2011-09-28T20:57:22.000Z (duration: 3:23) on Thu Sep 29 03:57:22 UTC 2011, 2011-09-28T20:57:22.000Z views
20:11 < starbomba> could do worse than TMBG, hatter
20:12 < JFDkthx> how does it feel now that the turns have tabled?
20:12 < Hatter> starbomba: yeah I don't listen to them at all often anymore, but fun to revisit once in a while
20:12 < starbomba> jfdkthx, there's a colossal difference between "turning the tables" and "echoing some stupid nonsensical bullshit back to your intellectual betters"
20:12 < starbomba> guess which one you just did
20:12 < Hatter> oh shit
20:12 < Hatter> you're giving jfd the business
20:12 < Hatter> JFDkthx, comment?
20:12 < JFDkthx> i did neither i specifically turns the tabled
20:12 < starbomba> he's having his daily autist fit. he needs to be Corrected
20:13 < JFDkthx> jesus
20:13 < JFDkthx> like can you not read?
20:13 < Hatter> woaaah calm down man
20:13 < Hatter> we're just trying to help
20:13 < grumplestiltzkin> teriyaki is not a flavor?  It's like - soy with more stuff in it
20:13 < starbomba> ^
20:13 < JFDkthx> the flavor formally known as?
20:13 < JFDkthx> is that better?
20:13 < JFDkthx> starbomba
20:13 < starbomba> gather your thoughts. prepare your statements.
20:13 < starbomba> engage brain and THEN type
20:14 < JFDkthx> non-statements*
20:14 < starbomba> see, you're skipping the "engage brain" part again
20:14 < grumplestiltzkin> did the mirriam webster people decide that teriyaki isn't a flavor anymore?
20:14 < starbomba> who is mirriam webster?
20:14 < alazare619> ask an actual question
20:14 < alazare619> get fucking shit answers
20:14 < grumplestiltzkin> the dictionary people
20:14 < alazare619> this place has really gone to shit
20:14 < starbomba> alazare619, that was a seriou question?
20:14 < starbomba> wow.
20:14 < JFDkthx> alazare619: thanks for contributing your weekly "this place has gone to shit"
20:15 < Heresiarch> alazare619: Windows VMs can run under kvm.
20:15 < starbomba> dude emo quit because people didn't think "derp can a type 1 hypervisor handle windows VMs" was a leglt Q
20:15 < starbomba> *legit
20:15 < grumplestiltzkin> wtf are yall arguing about?   because it really looks like you're arguing about if teriyaki is a flavor.
20:15 < starbomba> don't we have some sort of bare minimum expectation of technical expertise
20:16 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: thats what i'm saying. i said teriyaki is gross, starbomba said some shit
20:16 < starbomba> teriyaki is not "a flavor"
20:16 < grumplestiltzkin> what is it?
20:16 < starbomba> Teriyaki (kanji: 照り焼き) is a cooking technique used in Japanese cuisine in which foods are broiled or grilled with a glaze of soy sauce, mirin, and sugar.
20:17 < starbomba> and in different parts of japan, "teriyaki" tastes vastly different
20:17 < starbomba> kinda like how "marinara" has different flavor from one segment of italy to another
20:17 < starbomba> have any of you ever ventured outside of mother's house, out of curiosity?
20:17 < starbomba> besides hunterkll, who has been chasing weeaboo females since the age of 9
20:17 < grumplestiltzkin> but you can still buy 'marinara' sauce at walmart, eh?
20:17 < JFDkthx> soudns like a flavor to me
20:17 < starbomba> i've never seen real marinara at walmart
20:18 < starbomba> jfdkthx, and i'm sure it sounds that way to every other non-native english speaker
20:18 < Hatter> how long do you think this conversation on sauces will continue?
20:18 < starbomba> as long as this autist fuck continues to whine about being wrong, apparently
20:18 < Heresiarch> Hatter: until it gets saucy enough.
20:18 < grumplestiltzkin> !nominate Heresiarch outstanding 'dad joke' pun usage
20:18 < JFDkthx> says right here starbomba i can buy teriyaki sauce
20:18 < JFDkthx> https://www.amazon.com/Kikkoman-Teriyaki-Marinade-Sauce-1-25/dp/B003M2DDXO/ref=sr_1_4_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1522952309&sr=8-4&keywords=teriyaki
20:18 < Heresiarch> grumplestiltzkin: *bows*
20:19 < JFDkthx> which will lead one to believe it's a falvor
20:19 < starbomba> s/one/a retard
20:19 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "which will lead a retard to believe it's a falvor"
20:19 < starbomba> agreed
20:19 < JFDkthx> its made by kikkoman
20:19 < JFDkthx> who probably knows more about teriyaki than you do
20:19 < JFDkthx> who are you to call them retarded
20:20 < starbomba> i suspect you also believe that the wasabe you can buy in western grocers is actual wasabe and not just regular horseradish, too
20:20 < starbomba> (p.s. kikkoman sells that bullshit, too)
20:20 < JFDkthx> you can believe whatever you want man
20:20 < JFDkthx> fact of the matter is
20:20 < JFDkthx> teriyaki is a flavor
20:20 < JFDkthx> and it's gross
20:20 < starbomba> so you acknowledge that stateside wasabe is fake/not real wasabe?
20:20 < JFDkthx> checkamte me
20:20 < starbomba> you just crushed your own argument
20:20 < JFDkthx> who wouldnt acknowledge that.
20:21 < starbomba> man. this is what i get for communicating with people below a 75 iq.
20:21 < Heresiarch> I will say that starbomba's trolling is on-point. It's so ridiculous that one can be hard-pressed to tell whether it's a Poe's Law violation.
20:21 < starbomba> time i will NEVER get back: wasted
20:21 < starbomba> s/trolling/actual facts
20:21 <+layer-eight> Heresiarch meant: "I will say that starbomba's actual facts is on-point. It's so ridiculous that one can be hard-pressed to tell whether it's a Poe's Law violation."
20:21 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: little of column a little of column b
20:21 < Heresiarch> starbomba: these are not mutually exclusive.
20:21 < starbomba> true
20:22 < Hatter> Alright guys, 10 more minutes of sauce talk and then we're putting a lid on it. heh heh heh
20:22 < Heresiarch> in fact, the best trolling requires usage (and usually molestation) of facts.
20:22 < starbomba> but if you place yourself in a position to be actively trolled by literal facts, you've made some serious lapses in judgment that nobody else can help with :D
20:22 < JFDkthx> starbomba: who are you even trolling?
20:23 < grumplestiltzkin> arguing with colloquial names for things
20:23 < starbomba> i hope you guys are prepared to give alazare619 a generous dose of shit for emo-parting over his kvm question.
20:23 < grumplestiltzkin> It makes me think you would argue about a steamed ham
20:23 < JFDkthx> starbomba: he usually ignores everyone
20:23 < felda> starbomba how's that pfsense goin?
20:23 < JFDkthx> im suprised if someone didnt already answer it
20:23 < Hatter> starbomba: I think that would only make him feel worse
20:24 < starbomba> well, we did answer it
20:24 < starbomba> he just fled as it was being typed
20:24 < starbomba> in some sort of weird emo-rage
20:25 < starbomba> anyone here have a younger sister? that's the vibe he gave off as he cryparted.
20:25 < starbomba> he may as well have started yelling "MARSHA MARSHA MARSHA!"
20:28 < L3gacy> heya
20:28 < L3gacy> "cryparted" LOL
20:28 < starbomba> did the sopranos ruin journey for a whole generation of kids or did journey ruin the sopranos for a whole generation of old folks?
20:29 < grumplestiltzkin> holy balls batman. this is taking *way* too long.    getting a dang browser to load HTTP content from a local source over trying to force https, when theres a problem with the cert - to be able to fix the problem with the cert
20:30 < Casteil> friggin ... GAH
20:30 < dragonfleas> so i should use mint for my home pc
20:30 < starbomba> GAW
20:30 < starbomba> dragonfleas, don't you think it would be safer to use a chromebook
20:30 < Atusid> Possible stupid resume question - current resume is 1.75 pages. Should I label the last bottom of the resume with a header of "Notes"?
20:30 < Casteil> employee submitting IT requests for things that aren't IT requests, and sending emails for things that should be IT requests
20:30 < Casteil> rageface.jpg
20:30 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: yes.
20:30 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: Maybe. There isn't really a right or wrong Linux distro for personal use. It comes down to preference
20:30 < Casteil> this isn't even my department anymore, I'm software now >.>
20:31 < dragonfleas> I need to figure out one that i like
20:31 < starbomba> casteil, i denied an employee access to our ticketing system when she put in an IT request to change her light bulbs in the office
20:31 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: I'd advocate using Slackware, but people tend to get screechy when I do that. So stick with Mint.
20:31 < Casteil> starbomba: lulz
20:31 < starbomba> when i make 'jokes' about anything using electricity being IT's problem, i'm not really joking
20:32 < dragonfleas> what's slackware?
20:32 < starbomba> slackware's a great way to learn a lot about the guts of linux, only so you can forget about them immediately as you use a systemd-based distro
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> haha
20:32 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: it's what you want to run when you want to learn linux. The hard way.
20:32 < L3gacy> So... bought a PC at Bestbuy :O
20:32 < L3gacy> >.>
20:32 < Jekotia> <_<
20:32 < Atusid> Heathen.
20:32 < L3gacy> First store bought rig in 9 years, besides my laptop
20:32 < starbomba> the only reason i tend to avoid best buy is because they seem to have that retail markup on everything you can get from newegg
20:33 < L3gacy> Hey, I had a visa debit bonus card, and restrictions on it wouldnt let me buy parts or do online
20:33 < DomLS3> Amazon > *
20:33 < L3gacy> so I got an A10 with a rx560
20:33 < Casteil> the thing she requested via the IT was a request for accounting, and the thing she emailed me directly was an IT request for a printer, like.. really?
20:33 < starbomba> heh. that's funny. the last time i recall going to best buy and buying something was when i had a best-buy gift card
20:33 < DomLS3> There's 0 reason to go to an electronics store when you have Amazon.
20:33 < DomLS3> unless you just want to see something in person
20:34 < L3gacy> I got an Inspiron 5675
20:34 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, do i want to learn linux the hard way?
20:34 < L3gacy> Now I need to get 8 more geebees of rams
20:34 < L3gacy> lol
20:35 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: do you want to learn how linux works, or just how to do certain things?
20:35 < dragonfleas> i want to learn how linux works
20:35 < starbomba> dragonfleas, i suspect at your age and experience level there are few downsides to setting up a slackware box
20:35 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: then you want to learn the hard way.
20:35 < starbomba> and if you hate it, shit, just blow it away when you're done and install debian
20:35 < dragonfleas> i like debian
20:35 < dragonfleas> i've used it before
20:35 < starbomba> debian's great. it's just not a distro that will force you to learn a lot about linux
20:36 < starbomba> if you need a laptop, get the distro of your choice but set up a virtual host and use that to do test installs
20:36 < dragonfleas> so slackware to learn linux?
20:37 < starbomba> didn't hurt me. of course this was back in 1993
20:37 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: yep.
20:37 < dragonfleas> ok
20:37 < dragonfleas> i'll do it
20:37 < dragonfleas> does wine work on slackware
20:37 < dragonfleas> i suppose i could dual boot but that's a pain in the ass
20:38 < dragonfleas> but i still want to play pubg
20:38 < grumplestiltzkin> wat
20:38 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: slackware to learn linux, ubuntu to learn how to deal with (non-insane) developers, centos for learning how linux works in business, and arch...no. Not arch.
20:38 < dragonfleas> i should use LFS right
20:38 < starbomba> arch or even gentoo are probably good for post-slackware experience
20:38 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: and gentoo to get that rice-rocket shiver out of crap hardware.
20:39 < starbomba> i get a migraine every time i work in centOS but i expect its market share and its lineage are enough to make it mandatory for most sysadmins
20:39 < grumplestiltzkin> dragonfleas: don't expect any game that needs directX to work well at all
20:39 < dragonfleas> GG
20:39 < dragonfleas> no pubg for me for awhile
20:40 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: dual-boot is actually a good idea. Just make sure you have a good backup of your windows install first.
20:40 < grumplestiltzkin> if you *really* don't want to dual boot, you can get <5 year old laptops for under a couple hundred
20:41 < dragonfleas> i guess i could do that
20:41 < dragonfleas> i could install it on my work laptop LOL
20:41 < dragonfleas> no i'm not doing that because i need RSAT
20:41 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineSales/Online/InventorySearch.aspx?brandId=2201&c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh&dgc=IR&cid=258996&lid=4635114
20:41 < starbomba> i'd suggest a good bare-metal backup if you're going to dual-boot a windows machine
20:41 < starbomba> the first thing to blow up in most of those installs is the bootloader
20:42 < starbomba> and you don't want to troubleshoot a windows bootloader problem
20:42 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, i'd prefer dellrefurbished.com
20:42 < starbomba> is that actually a dell site
20:43 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: six of one...I bought from dellrefurbished.com - had to fix a bit of the laptop I got, but it wasn't a hardware fault (disconnected wiring).
20:43 < dragonfleas> starbomba, yes it is
20:44 < starbomba> what's the warranty on one of those
20:44 < Heresiarch> sort of. It's dell gear, and dell runs it, but the actual work/logistics are handled by a third party.
20:48 < dragonfleas> i'm going to have to look up a msmtp tutorial because this config file is very convoluted
20:48 < dragonfleas> i'm confused as fuck
20:49 < starbomba> https://wiki.debian.org/msmtp ?
20:50 < nogic> Hey guys, I'm going to start off by saying I have no idea what I'm doing
20:51 < nogic> With that out of the way, I'm trying to name AD service accounts.  My AD structure has a Groups OU, and a Users OU, with the Users OU containing a Service Accounts OU
20:51 < nogic> Right now my naming looks like team-application-environment-index-svc
20:51 < nogic> So devops-vault-prod-1-svc, for example
20:52 < Heresiarch> nogic: why would you need the index?
20:52 < starbomba> 43 years ago yesterday steve miller set his girlfriend's clothes on fire
20:52 < DrGibby|> and since then his music has been shit
20:52 < starbomba> nah, his music went to shit before then
20:52 < DrGibby|> starbomba+++
20:52 < nogic> Heresiarch, they want 5 of these accounts, so they can create a pool of them.  Long story there, but it makes sense given the application
20:53 < nogic> That name runs into the 15 character limit for the logon name, and gets truncated.  Is my naming scheme awful, or should I just ignore the 15 character limit?
20:53 < nogic> I mean, it's for pre-2000 machines
20:53 < Heresiarch> then you can't really ignore the limit.
20:53 < starbomba> you know the best windows limit to ignore? the maximum path length limit
20:53 < nogic> lmao
20:54 < nogic> Sorry, wrong limit, it's the 20 character limit (I was thinking of the netbios limit for machine names)
20:54 < starbomba> what kind of bizarre username scheme are you using where you regularly violate a 20 character limit
20:55 < JFDkthx> devops-vault-prod-1-svc
20:55 < starbomba> that is a horrific username even for  service account
20:55 < Heresiarch> nogic: at the least, you can probably chop off the -svc
20:55 < nogic> :(
20:55 < nogic> What do your service account names look like?
20:55 < Heresiarch> nogic: if you name an account like that, it's gonna be pretty obvious that there's not a person behind the account.
20:55 < starbomba> "devops" replaced by "dvo" or "dv". "vault" seems totally unnecessary, as does "prod"
20:55 < nogic> I've seen stuff like DVPVLTPRD1, but I think that looks worse
20:56 < starbomba> s/vault/svc
20:56 <+layer-eight> starbomba meant: ""devops" replaced by "dvo" or "dv". "svc" seems totally unnecessary, as does "prod""
20:56 < starbomba> dvovault1 would do the trick
20:56 < nogic> Do you use like comments then to help understand what accounts are for what applications then?
20:56 < nogic> Or write them down in a wiki? Or?
20:56 < starbomba> i mean, if they're really "devops" then they're aware that in that world there's no real difference between "dev" and "prod", because their entire job is to make that transition
20:57 < starbomba> if i had to document actual service accounts for a huge company (say 1000 IT staff or more) i'd use a wiki
20:57 < starbomba> otherwise that stuff would go into the doc binder for whatever office/segment/department the "vault" servers belong to
20:58 < starbomba> why would devops get their own service accounts on a prod network out of curiosity
20:58 < nogic> Well, that was a throw away example.  The issue is we're creating accounts for another team to access a service, and that team has 6 environments, each needed different, isolated access to the application
20:58 < starbomba> "to access a service"?
20:59 < nogic> Big old java application with LDAP support
20:59 < starbomba> why can't they use regular user accounts
20:59 < starbomba> generally a service account is transparent to users
20:59 < starbomba> you configure your service to run under it and then forget it until something breaks
20:59 < starbomba> never makes it to userland
20:59 < nogic> centralized user management, policy requirement.  This is for their app to connect to the big old java app
20:59 < starbomba> sounds like the policy is fucked
20:59 < Heresiarch> starbomba: some apps require a service acct for ldap bind.
21:00 < starbomba> but just one, no?
21:00 < starbomba> it sounds like someone's trying to replce typical restricted user accounts with "service accounts" in name only
21:00 < Heresiarch> depends on how strict the org is.
21:00 < estranger> i had someone ask if they can have column name > 128 characters... has me worried why
21:00 < starbomba> unless i'm missing something or my brain is just plumb wore the fuck out from an entire week of arguing with vendors
21:00 < starbomba> whoah
21:00 < nogic> Well, maybe I'm misunderstanding.  These service accounts are for a new fancy java app to connect to an old broken java app.  The old java app has a restriction where a user can only run one thing at a time.  So they want to have multiple service accounts and pool them to run concurrent things
21:00 < starbomba> whatever happened to the skill set of naming shit properly
21:00 < Heresiarch> estranger: *cues Jaws theme*
21:01 < nogic> We also have service accounts for LDAP bind
21:01 < estranger> people do weird shit man
21:01 < starbomba> i think the term "service account" is being stretched in a big way here
21:01 < nogic> I'm really good at naming things I think, but I've never had a 20 character restriction
21:01 < nogic> What can I say, I like discriptive names.  Imo if you can't understand what it does by reading the name, the name is bad
21:01 < estranger> i just name things after Messier objects
21:01 < starbomba> i've never come close to bumping up against 20 chars
21:01 < starbomba> not naming users, servers, entire segments
21:02 < starbomba> on my home network everything is tiny, estranger
21:02 < starbomba> but that's because for the last 20+ years i've named every device on my network after islander hockey players who played on all four world championship teams
21:02 < estranger> lol
21:02 < starbomba> because that's how i do
21:02 < starbomba> at work, however, i develop shorthand for all the possible identifiers a username, host, or site name might need
21:03 < starbomba> and in this case departments. "dvo" for devops for instance.
21:03 < Heresiarch> kinda want: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/04/hp-uses-new-6-core-mobile-chips-to-build-some-monster-workstations/
21:03 < nogic> starbomba: I guess it's time for use to do that, so much to unpack though
21:03 < Zrane_> starbomb: devops should be shortened to 'oops'
21:03 < starbomba> dvovault1-dvovault6 would seem to do the trick, nogic
21:03 < nogic> lmao
21:03 < Heresiarch> estranger: is this the same place that was layering Oracle and DB2?
21:03 < starbomba> lol zrane
21:04 <+MillerBOSS> Oh man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wcKpoAQKj4
21:04 <+layer-eight> YouTube Best Of The Tourettes Guy (1 of 4) by 2007-10-23T09:22:37.000Z (duration: 9:26) on Tue Oct 23 16:22:37 UTC 2007, 2007-10-23T09:22:37.000Z views
21:04 < Jekotia> Fiber noob question: if I have existing fiber runs with one kind of termination, are there technical reasons that they cannot be re-terminated with a different form-factor of connector?
21:04 < starbomba> the thing is if we used "oops" for devops the systems guys would know exactly what it means but the dev guys would be even more hopelessly confused
21:04 < nogic> Thanks for the input guys, time to start developing a shorthand I guess
21:04 <+MillerBOSS> Forgot all about Tourettes Guy
21:04 < nogic> God I hate AD
21:04 < nogic> WHY CAN'T I JUST HAVE LONG USERNAMES?!
21:04 < nogic> It makes me happy
21:04 < starbomba> nogic, i think it's an excellent idea in any environment to develop a theoretical list of all the possible identifying characteristics of a user/host/site name, then develop short and unique acronyms/shorthand for each possible role, purpose, location, other category
21:05 < starbomba> nogic am i to understand that any time i run into a legacy linux server with a username like "thisistheserviceaccountformyapp" it is your fault?
21:05 < starbomba> because if so i think i've already seen some of your work :D
21:05 < nogic> Yes, yes that would be me :)
21:05 < nogic> More like this-is-the-service-account-for-my-app
21:06  * starbomba gets triggered, takes deep breaths
21:06 < Jekotia> s/app/app-named-fred
21:06 <+layer-eight> nogic meant: "More like this-is-the-service-account-for-my-app-named-fred"
21:06 < starbomba> meh 2 more hours today
21:06 < nogic> East coast?
21:06 < starbomba> yep
21:06 < starbomba> been at it since 7am
21:07 < nogic> Pain, I have a lot of very critical user accounts that have to be created :/
21:07 < nogic> I'm suppose to be designing the CI/CD
21:07 < nogic> But the intern is out
21:07 < starbomba> i had a metric fuckton of stuff to get done this week but infrastructure had other ideas
21:07 < starbomba> now that those problems appear to be behind us, i'm not so motivated to spend the last two hours of today being more productive
21:08 < starbomba> probably isn't helpful that $boss is on vacation yet again
21:08 < nogic> Meh, when I get like that I have a pet project I work on.  That way I'm still "productive", and I don't have to deal with the daily BS
21:09 < starbomba> i'm basically just trying to muddle through until sunday night. got tickets to see buddy guy
21:09  * starbomba ticks another blues legend off the list 
21:09 < starbomba> gotta make up for being too young to go see SRV live.
21:09 < nogic> haha, thanks for the input about naming things, appreciate it.  Some things you just can't learn from the Internet proper
21:10 < starbomba> finally saw BB king the tour before he conked out
21:10 < starbomba> no worries. might as well put in some input considering all the mistakes i saw in naming when i worked in #mspland
21:10 < starbomba> nothing drove a tech doing a ramp-up crazier than running into names that were just unwieldy at best and flat-out counterproductive at worst
21:11 < starbomba> "you're using WHAT to log in?"
21:11 < starbomba> "you named your domain controller WHAT?"
21:11 < nogic> There's no right way to do it, but a lot of really wrong ways of doing it
21:11 < starbomba> yup, exactly
21:11 < nogic> What's frustrating, is you don't learn how to name things well till you've fucked it up a few times
21:11 < starbomba> no doubt. we've all made comical decisions naming things
21:12 < starbomba> even at my current job where i've been less than 3 years to date i've got an account that i use semi-regularly which makes me cringe because i set it up and i had no excuse
21:12 < starbomba> but now that it's embedded and in use in a critical-uptime system, i can't just change it
21:12 < starbomba> so it acts as a daily reminder to engage brain before configuring
21:13 < nogic> hahaha, lessons in blood are not soon forgotten.  I've been trying to adapt my naming schemes from programming for a bunch of years, we'll see how it turns out
21:14 < starbomba> just remember: if you find yourself upset that a naming limit is too short, there might be another way to do it :D
21:14 < estranger> i had a physical server i ended up renaming to uptime.domain.com .. it was retired but had an awesome uptime so I couldnt bring myself to power it down until i had no choice
21:14 < estranger> was the internal dns cache foreva
21:14 < Heresiarch> nogic: the critical difference being that naming in systems has numerous ramifications beyond a little more memory usage.
21:15 < starbomba> also, keep in mind that under windows (until 2016) there was a fairly restrictive path length limitation, so the longer a username = a longer profile path, especially the deeper you get into the profile
21:15 < starbomba> lots of 2012 and below still in service
21:15 < nogic> I really do think the longer a name the better in some circumstances (service accounts, DNS records pointing to services).  But that may be the programmer in me.
21:15 < FrostCyborg> Hey all, for traditional deployment of Windows, but with Windows 10, is the LTSB the right branch to be doing to prevent constant version updates, or is the Current Branch for Business the way to go.  I remember LTSB seemed to be what was used for kiosk type deployments and not appropriate for workstations, but I havent found a lot of clear information on it since Microsoft has been nothing but capricious
21:16 < estranger> enterprise naming conventions are fun
21:16 < starbomba> i think LTSB might be overused by people who are paranoid about the win10 update cycle
21:16 < starbomba> if you think you need LTSB but you don't have a strict business/use case for it you probably don't
21:16 < nogic> But yeah, there'll be a lot of gotchas like that, and I'll just have to learn them
21:16 < nogic> Heresiarch, any big ones you can think of, to scare me into using really short service account names?
21:17 < estranger> TIL LTSB
21:17 < FrostCyborg> Well, the paranoia is real in some things, like when 1709 totally broke a document handler for a core business application due to how they changed file type associations and default program handling.
21:17 < Jekotia> This makes me cringe... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-optic_communication#/media/File:Stealth_Fiber_Crew_installing_fiber_cable_underneath_the_streets_of_Manhattan.jpg
21:18 < estranger> naming conventions need to be automatable/consisent
21:18 < starbomba> those are the guys who ask "what do you mean we can't kink the cable around a corner?"
21:18 < starbomba> it's like watching a con-ed technician try to do calculus
21:18 < FrostCyborg> Preventing 1709 from installing on our workstations even with using both WSUS and Group Policy was like fighting a freaking trojan or worm that had infected all our workstations.
21:18 < estranger> should see me trying to do calculus
21:18 < Heresiarch> nogic: in general, longer names in infrastructure have wider effects across an infra. If you have an app with long variable names, you're only ever going to use those names in the scope of the variable(s). Extrapolate that to applications and systems that have to interact with each other. Longer references invite greater complexity, which can outweigh the documentary benefits of such.
21:19 < starbomba> are people still refusing to get off 1703?
21:19 < estranger> would just be me.. staring at ap iece of paper.. looking at symbols i dont even know how to pronounce
21:19 < starbomba> i feel better and better about staying off win10 every day lately
21:19 < starbomba> haha estranger
21:19 < Jekotia> estranger: Same
21:19 < estranger> I took one calculus class in my life, it was durign my six weeks of college
21:20 < estranger> the professor told me "there is on need for you to take the finals!  even if you get 100% you still fail"
21:20 < starbomba> that's one way to take the pressure off
21:20 < Heresiarch> nogic: that complexity can take the form of increased likelihood of misreference relative to an app/service/server (the programming analogue would be mixed-case variables in case-sensitive languages), or shortened aliases for a given set of servers/services.
21:20 < estranger> yeah.. I wasn't that worried really
21:21 < starbomba> "you are now mathematically eliminated from a passing grade" "cool, at least i can wake up an hour later now"
21:21 < nogic> Heresiarch, that's a fair point.  Seems to be consensus is keep names short and cryptic, and have a doc with names to meanings.  I personally don't like it, but you're right, sometimes you have to bend over backwards for legacy systems
21:21 < deww> estranger: should go find him. show him your fat wallet.
21:21 < estranger> my six weeks of college was more like "eat acid and stare at the leafs" .. fall semester
21:22 < Heresiarch> nogic: short, yes. Cryptic, no. As with anything else, there's a balance. :)
21:22 < estranger> deww, I wanted to find my old HS teacher that told our class "everyone needs to go to college to be sucessfull.... Except estranger"
21:22 < nogic> Well, there goes my plan of using 1, 2, 3, 4, etc. as my service account names
21:22 < estranger> turns out he ded :<
21:23 < deww> estranger: and here you are, alive and well
21:23 < deww> guess you still won
21:23 < starbomba> "i say you he dead!"
21:23 < deww> ok cleetus
21:23 < deww> :D
21:23 < estranger> I guess we all lose in the end :o
21:23 < starbomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRwAYhm7R-8
21:24 <+layer-eight> YouTube THE COLONEL by 2011-05-19T12:45:16.000Z (duration: 19s) on Thu May 19 19:45:16 UTC 2011, 2011-05-19T12:45:16.000Z views
21:25 < bmurt> estranger: we at least all die in the end
21:25 < estranger> I'm gonna die with the most toys, too
21:26 < estranger> next toy, Vive Pro
21:26 < Nightcinder> tfw sharing screen in a meeting and your gf blows up your hangouts
21:26 < Heresiarch> oops.
21:27 < Nightcinder> i had it on extended so all they saw was the task bar light up and the ding ding ding ding ding
21:27 < Jekotia> Networking: Do different fiber optic wavelengths require different fiber optic cables, or is optical fiber optical fiber? I'm seeing a lot on the differences, but not the practical implications.
21:27 < Nightcinder> lol
21:27 < Zrane_> Nightcinder, This is why I close all my shit down.
21:27 < Nightcinder> i closed out of discord at least
21:27 < Nightcinder> and irc
21:28 < Nightcinder> i forgot about hangouts
21:29 < Zrane_> lol
21:29 < estranger> every now and then my crazy ex sends me a hangout msg
21:29 < Zrane_> Many years ago, when Nextel was still a thing, I worked for a financial company and had a nextel(like the whole department)
21:29 < estranger> thats about all I get on there anymore
21:30 < Zrane_> My buddy across town had one too, and we'd occasionally use it to talk or whatever.  One day, during an all hands with the CIO, he pages me.  Except he doesn't do the chirp thing and wait for a response...he just busts out into song.  Rainbow connection, in his best kermit the frog voice.
21:31 < Heresiarch> Zrane_: rofl
21:31 < Zrane_> Strangely, my contract was not renewed the next month.
21:35 < Nightcinder> my boss wants a 68 mech kb now
21:35 < Nightcinder> lol
21:36 < JFDkthx> i've got one sparc box left on my network. and fucking developers are fighting tooth and nail to keep it
21:36 < Nightcinder> he was reminiscing about ibm keyboards while he typed on my mech
21:36 < JFDkthx> you wanna keep it, then pay your fucking maintenance.
21:36 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: ...why?
21:36 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: "mission critical code"
21:37 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: "Enterprise Service Contract"
21:37 < JFDkthx> "we cant figure out who needs to pay for it"
21:37 < JFDkthx> im sure as shit not
21:37 < Heresiarch> besides, unless they wrote it in C, with SPARC-specific instructions, it should be movable to x86.
21:37 < JFDkthx> its your fucking code you dick
21:37 < JFDkthx> thats the question that was asked today.
21:38 < Heresiarch> Back the box up, shut it down (in case the disks shit the bed), whoever screams can pay for the maintenance.
21:39 < JFDkthx> we've been pushing a 'drop dead' date since i dunno
21:39 < JFDkthx> last june
21:39 < JFDkthx> management is too afraid to turn it off
21:40 < estranger> lol sparc box
21:40 < estranger> sorry mate
21:40 < estranger> I got asked if we have a cobalt driver this week
21:41 < Heresiarch> ....seriously?
21:41 < JFDkthx> estranger: until last august i had a sparcstation 2 running a webserver.
21:41 < Heresiarch> cobalt as in "cobalt raq/qube" ?
21:42 < estranger> db2 cobalt mainframe of somesort, been around for decades
21:42 < Heresiarch> ah. IBM. That's why.
21:43 < estranger> the good news is they have an inititative to be off of all mainframes pretty soon \o/
21:43 < JFDkthx> \o/
21:43 < estranger> ($)\o/
21:43 < JFDkthx> 'excited jubilation'
21:43 < estranger> with my bag of money
21:43 < Heresiarch> meh. Mainframe has its place, its just a very small place.
21:44 < estranger> they are around cus people are scared to touch the critical systems
21:44 < estranger> no one LIKES a mainframe anymore
21:45 < Casteil> god this shit's fucked up
21:45 < estranger> if you had a greenfield would you EVER decide "hey I know, this calls for a mainframe system"
21:45 < Heresiarch> that too. But even massively horizontally-scaled services can't necessarily match batch throughput+reliability.
21:45 < Casteil> I have employees requesting enhanced credentials rather than their fucking MANAGERS doing it
21:45 < Sarah> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI&t=4m58s
21:45 <+layer-eight> YouTube Mozart - Requiem by 2009-03-05T17:32:29.000Z (duration: 8:54) on Fri Mar 06 00:32:29 UTC 2009, 2009-03-05T17:32:29.000Z views
21:48 < estranger> Heresiarch, totally agree! .. to a point.  you take a hit going from scale up to scale out.. gotta be worth that hit before going out.  up has limits, out does not (or is at least very extreme)
21:49 <+abakedapplepie> enhanced credentials?
21:51 < Heresiarch> estranger: the hit isn't just in speed, though. It's also in complexity relative to reliability and throughput. ADP isn't likely to switch to scale-out for their batch processing any time soon. ;)
21:53 < estranger> yup lots to consider going scale out.. i was simplifying :) and everyone is working to get away from batch processing anyhow, i dont care what your backend is
21:55 < estranger> it's the old legacy processes built into things like intrabanking regulations and whatnot that is slowing shit down.. Europe is starting to do something about that with their new banking standards at least
21:55 <+MillerBOSS> https://giphy.com/gifs/tourettes-guy-fuck-salt-oYJ2IyRLM7Q4g
21:56 < Heresiarch> estranger: not necessarily a bad thing when talking about money flows.
21:57 < estranger> we'll let the EU guinnea pig it
21:59 < estranger> look at things like zelle... the facilitate transferring money between banks in seconds
21:59 < Hatter> What's the best remove-crap-before-imaging-windows10 thing these days
22:00 <+MillerBOSS> Remove Windows.exe.now
22:00 < kepler-> www.redhat.com or www.centos.org
22:00 < Hatter> oh I forgot to say, no funny joke answers
22:00 <+MillerBOSS> Run calc.exe
22:00 < kepler-> i'd kill myself if i had to manage windows
22:01 < estranger> how do you guys feel about msft buying redhat?
22:01 < Jekotia> Hatter: https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10 Powershell script
22:01 <+MillerBOSS> Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage -erroraction silentlycontinue
22:01 <+MillerBOSS> Get-AppxPackage -AllUsers | Remove-AppxPackage -erroraction silentlycontinue
22:01 <+MillerBOSS> Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -Online | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online -erroraction silentlycontinue
22:01 < pcspkr> estranger: spookay thought
22:01 <+MillerBOSS> Yes run those two lines twice
22:01 < Hatter> estranger: if that happened maybe it really would be the year of linux on the desktop at long last
22:02 <+MillerBOSS> The rest I do via Group Policy objects.
22:02 < estranger> they totally should
22:02 < Jekotia> I think MillerBOSS's suggestion will try to remove EVERYTHING, and break... Not certain
22:02 < Hatter> yeah MillerBOSS that's the idea
22:02 <+MillerBOSS> It removes all garbage for sure
22:02 < Hatter> and a bit mopre
22:02 < Hatter> like calculator
22:02 <+MillerBOSS> On the real, g funk era
22:03 < Jekotia> There are core windows components in the appx format I think
22:03 <+MillerBOSS> Well then
22:03 <+MillerBOSS> List Get-AppXProvisionedPackage -Online | Select PackageName
22:03 <+MillerBOSS> Then Remove-AppXProvisionedPackage -Online -PackageName <PackageName>
22:04 < Jekotia> A very slow and tedious process, but the right track
22:04 <+MillerBOSS> Those things won't allow removal then Jekotia
22:04 <+MillerBOSS> :)
22:04 < Jekotia> MillerBOSS: Some do if you try and force it. And if you don't try and force it, some non-critical things won't budge
22:04 <+MillerBOSS> Also
22:04 <+MillerBOSS> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Sort-Object -Property DisplayName | Select-Object -Property DisplayName
22:04 <+MillerBOSS> Get-AppxPackage | Sort-Object -Property Name | Select-Object -Property Name
22:04 < Jekotia> It's like someone at MS forgot how permissions work
22:05 <+MillerBOSS> Well the more removed the better. ;)
22:05 < Jekotia> Remove everything, install LXSS. Fixed?
22:06 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah right
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> Or, you know, use LTSB
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> Because fuck UWP / APPX
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> And the Store, and Cortana, and Edge
22:06 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah LTSB has a expiration date too. I am with you on fuck all that stuff too
22:06 < pcspkr> and windows
22:07 <+MillerBOSS> PWA coming as well
22:08 <+MillerBOSS> https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX5Q27plkaOQ3?si=i6xidMtOSX-Ug99cw8a7kQ Jam out time
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> this still amazes me every time
22:10 <+MillerBOSS> Good. It should
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> just like that
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> i updated weechat to next version
22:10 <+MillerBOSS> You a maze me
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> no disconnect, no nothin
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> except new weechat version
22:10 < sideup66> To make mdt work with win 10 in a capture you gotta rip off all the app shit
22:10 < sideup66> It's rediculous
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> sideup66: what do yo umean?
22:10 < sideup66> I don't need Candy crush in my image...
22:10 <+MillerBOSS> Preach sideup66
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> sideup66: sure you do
22:11 < sideup66> When I built my win 10 images for mdt part is to do one thick capture (stage some stuff/install stuff a way that really cant be pre scripted), and uwx just installs all this shit
22:11 < sideup66> And fucks capture up
22:11 <@JollyRgrs> also, i dunno what happened but between beta and final release of our global image... my powershell script to change the default user's start tiles went from "perfect" to "all whack" with games tiles messing it up
22:11 <+MillerBOSS> lol
22:12 <@JollyRgrs> sideup66: l2automateit
22:12 <+MillerBOSS> All those little things add up to a fuck ton
22:12 <@JollyRgrs> gitgud
22:12 <@JollyRgrs> l2likeabaus
22:12 < grumplestiltzkin> JollyRgrs: I think 'whack' used in that context is spelled 'wack', but I'm not an expert.
22:12 <+MillerBOSS> Yourmom
22:12 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: i think you are right, i know that... muscle memory prevails
22:13 <@JollyRgrs> i should just change it to be "janky"
22:13 <@JollyRgrs> that's spelled teh same no matter how you use it
22:14 < grumplestiltzkin> unless Texas isn't 'southern' - I don't get the same thing here. I don't use 'janky' all that frequently, but it never gets a confused look.   I hear other people use it too
22:14 < corn266> Texas is totally southern
22:14 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.techmeme.com/180405/p7#a180405p7 >Microsoft brings Files Restore to all OneDrive customers, letting users restore their entire OneDrive to a point in last 30 days, and adds ransomware detection
22:15 < sideup66> MillerBOSS: welcome to the botnet
22:15 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: but you have far fewer yankee transplants in TX
22:15 < starbomba> captain dadjokes doesn't know what a botnet is
22:15 <@JollyRgrs> and TX isn't suthern
22:16 <@JollyRgrs> TX is Southwestern
22:16 < starbomba> TX is definitely southern. at least from harris county eastward
22:16 < felda> awww yeah more energy scammers
22:16 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: most ppl think southern as southeastern
22:16 < starbomba> el paso is like a weird mix of louisiana and southwestern
22:16 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: ...yeah. They all come to FL. Some of the Texans, too.
22:16 <@JollyRgrs> big diff between GA/NC and TX southerns
22:16 < starbomba> jollyrgrs, not when you didn't grow up in the south
22:16 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: well, those that didn't are just idiots
22:16 < starbomba> the vaunted "differences" in the deep south are a lot less pronounced when you're a "coastal elite"
22:17 < starbomba> also, i went to a southern university. sure, it's something to say "oh those clemson boys aren't the same kind of southern as we are here in tallahassee" etc.
22:17 < starbomba> newsflash: they are. you are. everybody is.
22:18 < starbomba> not like it matters any more. the deep south has thrown its moral standing behind a real estate huckster from queens.
22:18 < felda> pretty sure JollyRgrs is redirecting energy scammers to my phone
22:18 < starbomba> what's an energy scammer
22:19 < felda> They call asking about your energy bill
22:19 < grumplestiltzkin> Oh man, we sure do have yank transplants  galore here.  Southlake, colleyville, Frisco are asploding   Lots of californistanians and peoples democratic republic of New York in those areas
22:19 <@JollyRgrs> like bitcoin mining, but they zap the owner's energy
22:19 < Heresiarch> starbomba: ...but there is a difference. Clemson, they end up working Chick-Fil-A. Tally, they end up at Hardee's.
22:19 < felda> and attempt to masquerade as your energy company
22:19 < starbomba> grumplestiltzkin, you just named 75% of the country's GDP
22:19 < starbomba> felda, so indian call center scammers
22:19 < felda> and swindle you into buying energy from their company by being dishonest
22:19 < felda> starbomba nah they always get college students and people who fall for pyramid schemes to do it
22:19 < grumplestiltzkin> starbomba: by "the country's GDP" you mean Texas?
22:19 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: YOU TAKE THAT BACK!
22:20 <@JollyRgrs> your clemson boys will be working at bojangles
22:20 < starbomba> no. texas is a net consumer of federal money
22:20 <+MillerBOSS> 18 BTC waiting to be claimed https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-04-05-11-06-03-mc.png I do not know what it is.
22:20 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: heh
22:20 < starbomba> we've been over this before
22:20 <@JollyRgrs> or piggly wiggly
22:20 < starbomba> millerboss, you should become the latest bitcoin millionaire on #reddit-sysadmin
22:20 < grumplestiltzkin> starbomba: that *JUST* changed, depending on what numbers you use to make the decision.
22:20 < starbomba> "depending on what numbers you use" lol
22:20 < starbomba> now THAT'S the texas i know
22:20 <+MillerBOSS> No that can be you starbomba
22:20 < starbomba> i invest my money like normal people, millerboss
22:21 < starbomba> which is probably why i'm not on a second mortgage financing a failed speculation on btc like half the millennials i know
22:21 <+MillerBOSS> Yes, in pork.
22:21 < starbomba> i actually have money
22:21 < starbomba> but i seriously encourage anyone so inclined to drop everything they have into btc
22:21 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: depends on what you invested in and when you did
22:22 < starbomba> it can't stay tanked forever, can it?
22:22 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, like how everyone rants and raves about the uneployment numbers, but dont include the workforce participation rate.    Or how unfunded liabilities just don't count when talking about the federal debt.       or how what.. food and something else important (mid blank atm) arent used when figuring inflation
22:22 <@JollyRgrs> if you invested in stocks and your 401k back in the 00s, you'd be hurtin
22:22 < starbomba> workforce participation rate is the most comically misused statistic in history
22:22 < starbomba> especially when people try to wedge retirees into it
22:22 < MikeSpears> Anyone wanna buy a GTX 1060?
22:22 < MikeSpears> its got 6gb memory, and never been mined with
22:22 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: this is why statistics class is so fun, in HS or in college
22:22 < starbomba> "oh our workforce participation rate is lower than ever before" *shows the numbers* uh, you realize this shows that the baby boomers are retiring en masse because THEY'RE ALL FUCKING 70 NOW
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> i actually sat in on a friend's stats class in college (even though i wasn't taking it)...
22:23 < grumplestiltzkin> starbomba: agreed. but that's what I mean when I say 'depends on what numbers you use'    like mandated medicaid money - are you ocunting that?
22:23 < MikeSpears> JollyRgrs: sup man
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> maybe b/c said friend was the hot younger sister of one of the dudes i knew...
22:23 < starbomba> statistics seemed fun before i took it. then i realized that "statistics" to certain students meant "take any set of numbers and make any argument you want"
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> but that's not the point :P
22:23 < MikeSpears> those servers still treating you well?
22:23 < grumplestiltzkin> if you are, then yep, we now take more
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> hey MikeSpears
22:23 < starbomba> your servers are treating you well, jollyrgrs?
22:23 < starbomba> can i get some of those servers?
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> very well... cept i got a loud fan now... nto sure if server or switch... can't be arsed to swing the rack around and cehck closer
22:24 < starbomba> mine have been treating me like a trick who won't give up the money
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> starbomba: you want a pair of 2950?
22:24 < starbomba> now that's just cruel
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> lots of RAM in them
22:24 < starbomba> it's the microservers that have screwed me lately
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> MikeSpears: what'd you ever end up doing job wise? and how's that going?
22:24 < starbomba> i just pulled another failed one
22:25 < MikeSpears> lol I'm about to start at spectrum tommorow
22:25 < starbomba> supermicro: for when whiteboxing just isn't dodgy enough
22:25 < starbomba> nice, mikespears
22:25 < Heresiarch> MikeSpears: grats. Biz, or home?
22:25 < starbomba> NOC work?
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> cool
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> MikeSpears: where abouts? did you move to houston?
22:25 <+AnonymooseWork> anybody here using Ubiquiti wifi gear?
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> yes
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> by anybody you mean like... prob over half?
22:26 < sadbox> I am at home
22:26 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
22:26 < Hatter> MillerBOSS: yeah your line removed everything including .net framework, I want a refund
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> that's where i am using mine, too
22:27 <+AnonymooseWork> Well - I'm kinda stumped atm
22:27 <+MillerBOSS> Good
22:27 < sadbox> my apartment complex is v fucking dense, so interference is silly
22:27 < sadbox> so you gotta fucking UP YOUR GAME
22:27 <+AnonymooseWork> We bought a Unifi 24P 500W switch, and 6 access points.
22:27 <+AnonymooseWork> I setup the Unifi controller on a windows VM - set it up as a service and adopted the AP and switch
22:27 < starbomba> i can haz removed .net framework?
22:27 <@JollyRgrs> why not on a linux vm?
22:27 <+AnonymooseWork> configured the networks (two vlans)
22:28 <@JollyRgrs> i mean... just sayin
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs already had the VM running for other utility BS
22:28 <@JollyRgrs> ah
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> anyway configured the wireless network
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> Using a simple WPA auth as a test
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> i can connect to the wireless network but I don't get an IP (from my Windows DHCP server)
22:29 < felda> VLANs is for boys. Real mean deploy every LAN physically.
22:29 <+AnonymooseWork> rofl felda
22:29 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: honestly, i don't have enough info to be able to answer that for you
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> if you set static IP, everything works?
22:30 <+AnonymooseWork> All good
22:30 <+AnonymooseWork> nope if i set static still no worky
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> so it isn't just getting dhcp... you aren't fully connecting
22:30 < Heresiarch> AnonymooseWork: did you set the VLANs on the ports that the APs are connected to?
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> can you ping the AP with static?
22:30 <+AnonymooseWork> Heresiarch - uhm, lemme check that
22:31 <+AnonymooseWork> Heresiarch the ports that the AP's are connected to are set to 'All'
22:32 < Heresiarch> AnonymooseWork: are the VLANs trunked up to the rest of your switching?
22:32 <+AnonymooseWork> Heresiarch so thats the part i'm confused about
22:32 <+AnonymooseWork> and probably where the problem lies
22:33 <+AnonymooseWork> I'm using Dell PowerConnect for the rest of our switching (bleh)
22:33 <+AnonymooseWork> right now the port that the UniFi switch is uplinked into is set to 'Access'
22:33 < Heresiarch> ...is it on the same VLAN as the rest of your network?
22:34 <+AnonymooseWork> It's on vlan 1 at the moment,
22:34 <+AnonymooseWork> which is our default server /network vlan
22:34 <+AnonymooseWork> our CLIENT vlan is vlan 50
22:34 < Heresiarch> aha.
22:34 < Heresiarch> The uplink needs to be set as a trunk port with VLAN1 and VLAN50.
22:35 <+AnonymooseWork> on the unifi I don't seen an option to change it to trunk?
22:35 <+AnonymooseWork> on Dell side I do
22:35 <+AnonymooseWork> On the UniFi i can change it from Switching/Mirroring and Aggregate
22:35 < Heresiarch> this would be on the Dell side.
22:35 < grumplestiltzkin> it might be default as trunk
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> Heresiarch - if i set the port on the Dell side to trunk I lose connectivity
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> to the unifi
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> so yeah i agree its def. something in the trunking thats causing the issue
22:36 < grumplestiltzkin> wait, the unifi is a switch   ok    what model is it?
22:37 < starbomba> lol. dev idiot has been using another employee's login to stick SQL databases on a server we are decommissioning
22:37 <+AnonymooseWork> yea its a Unifi 24p POE 500W
22:37 < starbomba> then he gets upset with me when i start the scream test on that server
22:37 < grumplestiltzkin> you can configure allowed and disallowed VLANs on a trunk, they should match on both sides (along with both sides being set to trunk - assuming it is a feature)
22:37 < starbomba> this is why i don't do devoops
22:37 < grumplestiltzkin> does unifi only make 1 model with different port counts, etc?
22:38 < Heresiarch> grumplestiltzkin: mostly
22:38 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin yea
22:38 <+AnonymooseWork> mostly
22:38 < starbomba> i'm confused, heresiarch. are you saying the dell doesn't support vlans?
22:38 < starbomba> i have never seen a managed powerconnect that doesn't
22:39 < Heresiarch> starbomba: no. But ubnt's switches have to have *at least* VLAN1 allowed in ports uplinked to them. If there are VLAN'd wifi nets, those also have to be trunked in.
22:39 < starbomba> literally the only reason i'd go with a managed switch in a small environment is to have control over network assignments per port so i didn't need to send some clown physically on site to change a network assignment
22:39 < starbomba> makes sense
22:41 < grumplestiltzkin> Heresiarch: ok.  I only really know cisco stuff, so Im guessing here.  It really looks like if you start assigning VLANs to a port, that it turns into a trunk.  just in general, an access switchport shoulnd't have more than 1 vlan on it, unless its a second for voice.    https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/how-to-trunk-on-unifi-switch/td-p/1607650
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> ok
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> so
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> if i set the port to TRUNK and make sure the vlan memberships match (1 and 50) i should be ok?
22:41 < grumplestiltzkin> you can test the theory bu trunking up the other side, and see if it comes up when you assign multiple VLANs
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> on the dell side that is
22:41 < Heresiarch> grumplestiltzkin: I always got a little confused there - so it may be that you have to keep it as an access port, but with both VLAN1 and whatever VLAN IDs are being used for the wifi nets.
22:42 < grumplestiltzkin> well, I'm not sure, but that's what it looks lik ebased on that conversation
22:42 <+AnonymooseWork> ok i'll give that a try
22:42 < starbomba> o noez there's a ghost device on muh network
22:42 < grumplestiltzkin> an access port cant talk to a trunk port really, but there might be some magic behind the scenes that automatically changes it when you add multiple VLANs to the port
22:43 < starbomba>  <+AnonymooseWork> if i set the port to TRUNK and make sure the vlan memberships match (1 and 50) i should be ok?
22:43 < starbomba> uh
22:43 < starbomba> that's not trunking
22:43 < starbomba> are you trying to do something best practices said you probably shouldn't do?
22:43 <+AnonymooseWork> starbomba not really?
22:43 < grumplestiltzkin> ehh.. form that link "Switch -> Configuration tab -> Networks -> Create"   From there you select which VLANs (7,8,11) you want inside the "trunk." Give it a name and apply it. From there you would select this network in  the drop down.
22:44 <+AnonymooseWork> trying to add a cheap wireless system to my shitty network
22:44 < grumplestiltzkin> it looks like you create a VLAN group type object and then assign that to the port, making it a trunk
22:44 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah i have the port assigned to 'All'
22:44 < starbomba> oh yay. it's april, i forgot. 4pm daily rainstorms to screw up traffic for all
22:45 < Heresiarch> AnonymooseWork: mind, this is on an HP switch. I ended up setting tagged VLAN1 and tagged for all of the wifi VLANs on the port that I uplinked to the ubnt switch.
22:46 < grumplestiltzkin> the AAP only works on a unifi switch for some reaso, or it's your only POE switch?
22:47 < starbomba> that could be a problem. you see, electrons are required.
22:48 < starbomba> PING YOU LIE
22:49 < starbomba> THERE IS NO SERVER THERE
22:51 < grumplestiltzkin> Oh, here we go.  Yes. "   By default Networks/VLANs set to all will trunk VLANs, and 1 would be native/untagged.  "   https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/Unifi-Switch-and-trunk-port/td-p/1300300
22:51 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin - its my only poe switch
22:51 < grumplestiltzkin> so if youre set to 'all' yeah, that's trunk mode.   You might try removing the VLANs assigned to the trunk on the dell side, just to see if it brings the link up
22:52 < grumplestiltzkin> also, get your debug on, see why it's dying
22:52 <+AnonymooseWork> well i gone an screwed up I need to move the network cable for the management port lol
22:53 <+AnonymooseWork> oh
22:53 <+AnonymooseWork> wait
22:53 <+AnonymooseWork> is back
22:55 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: that last link has a bunch of information
22:55 < grumplestiltzkin> and comments by ubiquiti employees
22:55 <+AnonymooseWork> thanks i will check that out right now
22:55  * AnonymooseWork is sleepy
22:56 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: GET BACK TO WORK!
22:56 <@JollyRgrs> cryptic1: get back to work!
22:57 < Heresiarch> o/
22:57 < grumplestiltzkin> I really dislike guis on route/switching devices at this point things become tedious.   Firewalls a gui can be really helpful for certain things
22:57 <+AnonymooseWork> yea
22:57 < grumplestiltzkin> not ASDM though, it pretty much sucks all the time
22:57 <+AnonymooseWork> hahahaha
22:57 <+AnonymooseWork> oh man the horror
22:57 <+AnonymooseWork> ok so
22:58 <+AnonymooseWork> looks like ALL should be untagged in default vlan and tagged in all others
22:58 <+AnonymooseWork> networking / specifically vlans and what not is NOT my strong suit
22:59 < Jekotia> I'm having a massive brain fart. Mechanically, is a low tolerance or a high tolerance better?
22:59 < grumplestiltzkin> Jekotia: it depends on who you're drinking with
23:00 < Jekotia> I think it's low, because that would suggest less deviation, right? But I can't think of what high would suggest :|
23:00 < Jekotia> s/deviation/variation
23:00 <+layer-eight> Jekotia meant: "I think it's low, because that would suggest less variation, right? But I can't think of what high would suggest :|"
23:00 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: depends
23:01 <@JollyRgrs> for precision, a low tolerance/deviation is better
23:01 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: heres another thing, talking about your management VLAN traffic isn't tagged or something https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Routing-Switching/UniFi-Switch-native-vlan-on-uplink-Trunk/td-p/1252857
23:01 <@JollyRgrs> for handling harsh weather conditions, a bigger deviaion/tolerance is better
23:01 < Jekotia> JollyRgrs: Ok, thanks. Now I can hit send and go home xD
23:01 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah thats fine grumplestiltzkin management is all on vlan 1
23:02 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: i mean, makes sense, right?
23:02 <@JollyRgrs> sometimes wibble-wobble is a good thing (like in bridges)
23:02 <@JollyRgrs> othertimes, you want precision, like in a HDD head reading/writing to a platter
23:02 < BonKurei> Weebles wobble but they dont fall down
23:03 < Hatter> this fucking uppity vendor had the NERVE to request a read receipt for his email to me
23:03 < Hatter> can you believe it
23:03 < BonKurei> KEK
23:04 < Jekotia> JollyRgrs: Yea, it does. I was just stuck on what high would suggest. The email was referring to fiber terminations and how the connectors effectively just hold the fiber, but to an incredibly low mechanical tolerance (compared to rj45 terminations which impale the wire and offer the pins as an interface to the wire)
23:05 < Jekotia> I hate going with the thing I understand when I don't get the alternative, since for all I know the thing I think I understand is wrong
23:05 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: what model dell switch was it?
23:05 <+AnonymooseWork> powerconnect 6248
23:05 <+AnonymooseWork> garbage
23:06 < grumplestiltzkin> do the vlan gateway interfaces live on that?
23:06 <+AnonymooseWork> the intervlan routing interfaces?
23:06 <+AnonymooseWork> yes
23:07 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah.  I just pulled up the specs, its a layer 3 switch, just making sure I'm heading the right direction
23:07 <+AnonymooseWork> dang appreciate the assist grumplestiltzkin
23:08 <+AnonymooseWork> other thing to note is this switch also has the IP-Helper statements that point to the DC for DHCP
23:08 < MikeSpears> woo, hp is replacing my failed 2810-24g with a 2530-24g
23:08 < MikeSpears> the 2530 is newer/quieter
23:09 <+AnonymooseWork> MikeSpears thats nice
23:09 < MikeSpears> yup
23:09 < Stoob> but its only 25 not 28
23:09 <+AnonymooseWork> gotta love HP
23:09 <+AnonymooseWork> rofl Stoob
23:09 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, your helper statements should be on those VLAN interfaces on the dell, good to go
23:09 < Stoob> you definitely dont gotta love hp
23:09 < MikeSpears> Stoob: lool
23:09 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin yep they are
23:09 < MikeSpears> HPE switches are fantastic
23:10 < MikeSpears> awesome warranty
23:10 < MikeSpears> lifetime btw
23:10 < MikeSpears> if it dies, they send another next business day
23:10 <+AnonymooseWork> MikeSpears yeah - i'm looking at replacing all my dell switching with aruba
23:10 < MikeSpears> free of charge
23:10 <+AnonymooseWork> aruba/hpe
23:10 < MikeSpears> yea, I know what ya mean
23:10 < MikeSpears> lol
23:11 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: did you try just setting the unifi to 'all' and removing the specific VLANs from the dell side?
23:11 < grumplestiltzkin> it looks like dell syntax is *really* similar to cisco
23:11 < Stoob> I just don't like HP as far as their general demeanor and their stupid website >:(
23:11 < MikeSpears> would it be appropriate to literally reply to the email in this screenshot with "fuck you" http://prntscr.com/j1g83w
23:12 < MikeSpears> I'm leaning towards, yes
23:12 <@JollyRgrs> MikeSpears: was this direct email or from linkedin or what?
23:12 < MikeSpears> direct email
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> u got on the wrong list, buddy
23:13 < grumplestiltzkin> MikeSpears: what the actual fuck?
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> i'd first ask where he got your contact info from
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> if he says monster or whatever... amke sure your profile isn't stupid
23:13 <@JollyRgrs> you have "MS Word and Excel" on your list of skills?
23:14 < MikeSpears> nope
23:14 < MikeSpears> not that retarded
23:14 <@JollyRgrs> no sysadmin needs that and is probably something stupi that he would pick up
23:14 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin so i have set the port to trunk, vlan 1 and vlan 50 are set to T (trunk) all other vlans on the dell switch are set to F
23:14 <+AnonymooseWork> no love
23:14 < grumplestiltzkin> my word and access skills have atrophied.   I struggle with bullet point indents sometimes
23:14 < grumplestiltzkin> er excel
23:14 <+AnonymooseWork> i wonder if i should just create all the other vlans that are on the dell side
23:14 <+AnonymooseWork> on unifi
23:14 < MikeSpears> do people still use access?
23:15 <+AnonymooseWork> unfortunately
23:15 <@JollyRgrs> ^^^
23:15 <@JollyRgrs> with access 97 DBs
23:15 <@JollyRgrs> and macros
23:15 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: the dell switch, you can just change to 'trunk' mode, right?
23:15 < am0nrahx> I use access in production
23:15 < grumplestiltzkin> for that port
23:15 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin yeah i can
23:15 < am0nrahx> jk fuck that
23:15 < Maarten> I keep wondering that.... I don't think anyone in our organization is anymore. Maybe a few old old databases or so.
23:15 <+AnonymooseWork> but i have a bunch of vlans that are configured on the dell switch that are not on the unifi switch
23:16 <+AnonymooseWork> i only created vlan 50 on the unifi because that was the only one I wanted to use
23:16 < grumplestiltzkin> I would do that, and remove any VLAN specific tagging on it.   We are trying to test if it's failing because of a mismatch.    And watch the debug, and see why it's down (on both ends)
23:17 < grumplestiltzkin> like the port should have a status   like up/up   or  down/down (err)  some kind of indication
23:17 < grumplestiltzkin> up/down(mismatch) maybe
23:17 < grumplestiltzkin> on a cisco, just a 'show int X/Y' would get it
23:19 <+AnonymooseWork> ok
23:19 <+AnonymooseWork> got it
23:19 <+AnonymooseWork> trying to do that now
23:19 < mkillebrew> so wait, you have only one of the two set to trunk and the other to access? or both trunk?
23:20 < Sousapro> any ideas about how to organize a "all HQ" employees distribution group
23:20 < Sousapro> like how does everyone else do it?
23:21 < grumplestiltzkin> mkillebrew: both should be set to trunk at this point, but the link disabling, we need to figure out why
23:21 < Sousapro> drinking problem doesn't count as an answer :P
23:21 < mkillebrew> connected by more than two points/
23:21 < mkillebrew> ?
23:21 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin, mkillebrew.  Port on Unifi switch is set to 'ALL' which according to the docs SHOULD be 'trunking' mode
23:22 <+AnonymooseWork> on the Dell side > if i have the port set to Access, I can connect to the switch and ping it etc.
23:22 <+AnonymooseWork> changing it to trunk it drops the link
23:22 < mkillebrew> unfuck your vlan config
23:24 < grumplestiltzkin> changing it to trunk on both sides you mean?
23:24 <+AnonymooseWork> no i'm not changing anything on the unifi side
23:24 <+AnonymooseWork> at all
23:24 < grumplestiltzkin> so with the port set to 'all' on unifi,   and the dell set to access, you cna hit the unifi?
23:24 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin yep!
23:25 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, something's dicked on the unifi.
23:25 < grumplestiltzkin> unless it needs to be set to 'all' somewhere else
23:25 < grumplestiltzkin> I'm not really clear on where that's supposed to happen. Ive never seen a unifi
23:26 <+AnonymooseWork> hehe
23:26 < felda> one of our accountants emails just got hacked :D
23:26 <+AnonymooseWork> all good man
23:26 <+AnonymooseWork> i appreciate your help
23:26 < felda> sent out phishing email to the whole company :DDD
23:29 < felda> anyone know how to diagnose spam origin in outlook / exchange?
23:29 < felda> says it is coming from her email account
23:29 <+AnonymooseWork> can you look at the header?
23:29 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: one thing to remember, when changing from access to trunk and back, you might need to bounce the interface on one or both sides - but the fact that when the dell por is in 'access' that the link is up and working means that the unifi port was already in 'access'.   You just need to crack that nut and you should be good
23:30 < Sousapro> did someone say unifi?
23:30 < BonKurei> ubnt
23:30 < Sousapro> I've used a lot of their gear
23:30 <+AnonymooseWork> oh ya?
23:30 < Sousapro> VLANs are pretty painless
23:30 < Sousapro> are we talking WAPs or switches?
23:30 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm having issues getting it to trunk to my dell switch
23:30 < Sousapro> sorry was in the zone
23:30 <+AnonymooseWork> Sousapro..both kinda?
23:30 <+AnonymooseWork> all good
23:30 <+AnonymooseWork> I have a UniFi 24p POE switch, and 5 UAP AC Pro AP's
23:31 <+AnonymooseWork> trying to get vlan trunking between the switch and my dell powerconnect switch working
23:31 <+AnonymooseWork> Right now the port on the UniFi is set to 'All' which, for all intents and purposes SHOULD be trunking
23:31 <+AnonymooseWork> if i change the port on the Dell side to TRUNK i lose connecitivyt
23:32 <+AnonymooseWork> changing it back to access...worky
23:32 <+AnonymooseWork> any thoughts?
23:32 < alazare619> so setup unionfs on my nas at home for plex
23:33 < bomb> guys why do you always talk about servers and shit?
23:33 < felda> AnonymooseWork yeah I can see the header
23:35 < felda> says it came from our domain
23:35 <@JollyRgrs> bomb: well, tbh, your mom asked us to keep our relations with her private, so we fall back to talking about servers and shit
23:36 <+AnonymooseWork> felda - it should have an IP of where it was submitted from as well
23:36 < voidstar> I'll tell the burn ward to be on stand by
23:36 <@JollyRgrs> thanks voidstar
23:36 < grumplestiltzkin> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoK8N7uB6ho
23:36 <+layer-eight> YouTube Unifi Tutorial 5: Configure Switch Trunk Port by 2016-09-01T22:56:47.000Z (duration: 7:54) on Fri Sep 02 05:56:47 UTC 2016, 2016-09-01T22:56:47.000Z views
23:36 < bomb> JollyRgrs: good idea terrible implementation
23:36 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
23:37 <+AnonymooseWork> thanks grumplestiltzkin i suppose I can google fu this myself as well :)
23:37 <+AnonymooseWork> but thats awesome
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> bomb: i am a "least efforts" kinda guy
23:37 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: there you go mang - I can't hear the guy, bt he is doing things
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> i put in the least effort i feel necessary for the scope of work
23:37 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
23:37 <+AnonymooseWork> hahaha
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> welp, i determined that (yet again) team x's reckless practices have bit us in the butt again
23:37 <@JollyRgrs> and now i'm going home
23:38 < mkillebrew> I really only use Cisco and Juniper network gear, but there are different VLAN trunking protocols, make sure they're set to the right one and compatible
23:38 < grumplestiltzkin> AnonymooseWork: I used duckduckgo.   no google for me, because skynet
23:38 < TheTinker86> howdy yalls
23:38 < mkillebrew> and you're using some inferior Dell trash
23:38 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
23:39 <+AnonymooseWork> mkillebrew yea i know its inferior trash
23:39 <+AnonymooseWork> i did not buy this shit
23:39 < mkillebrew> it happens
23:39 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: what you don't know is that duckduckgo is just a proxy that sends your requests to google and filters the results
23:39 < grumplestiltzkin> that's a better description of startpage and ixquick.  AFAIK duck does their own
23:39 < grumplestiltzkin> but I could be wrong
23:40 < Zrane_> Goddamnit, office deployment tool.
23:40 < grumplestiltzkin> and scroogle from a few years back, blatant obvious google scraper
23:40 <+AnonymooseWork> heh
23:40 <+AnonymooseWork> odt
23:40 <+AnonymooseWork> lotsa fun
23:41 < grumplestiltzkin> bring back metacrawler
23:44 < MikeSpears> JollyRgrs: https://github.com/NoLooseEnds/Scripts/tree/master/R710-IPMI-TEMP useful script to quiet your servers down
23:45 < felda> AnonymooseWork there are a whole bunch of IPs in there is it just the first one?
23:45 < grumplestiltzkin> Here we go.    if that last video didn't explain it step by step, this one does   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UseqrKykIv0
23:45 <+layer-eight> YouTube UniFi Switch to EdgeSwitch Trunk by 2017-03-30T02:21:13.000Z (duration: 10:56) on Thu Mar 30 09:21:13 UTC 2017, 2017-03-30T02:21:13.000Z views
23:46 < felda> We are using Office 365 Online Exchange services
23:46 < felda> I'm curious how this happened
23:46 < felda> no malware on the users computer
23:46 < MikeSpears> felda: try pfsense
23:46 < felda> could have accidentally entered her info into a spoof site hough
23:46 < felda> though*
23:46 <+AnonymooseWork> felda oh
23:46 <+AnonymooseWork> grumplestiltzkin - brilliant
23:47 <+AnonymooseWork> the first one .... we've done ALL of that
23:47 <+abakedapplepie> damn
23:48 <+abakedapplepie> wtf
23:48 <+abakedapplepie> i want that guys hat!
23:48 <+abakedapplepie> lol
23:48 < felda> oh shit wtf
23:48 < felda> says we have no DKIM
23:49 < grumplestiltzkin> wait.   this guy just said you can do things through a CLI.   I don't know if he meant the unifi or the edgemax though
23:49 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah
23:49 <+AnonymooseWork> i think thats the edgeswitch only
23:49 <+AnonymooseWork> anyway
23:49 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm giving up for the day
23:50 < grumplestiltzkin> goo dluck with it
23:50 <+AnonymooseWork> just had a brain fart too
23:50 <+AnonymooseWork> looks like my switch is running firmware 3.7
23:50 <+AnonymooseWork> latest that is out is 3.9
23:50 < grumplestiltzkin> does 3.7 not support trunking?
23:51 <+AnonymooseWork> it should....
23:51 < felda> WHAT THE FUCK
23:51 < felda> out webadmin broke our SPF record
23:51 < grumplestiltzkin> I was being like.. only half serious
23:52 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
23:52 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah
23:52 <+AnonymooseWork> UBNT... i mean you get what you pay for right
23:53 < Sousapro> AnonymooseWork: https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/219654087-UniFi-Using-VLANs-with-UniFi-Wireless-Routing-Switching-Hardware
23:54 < Sousapro> for what it's worth, EdgeOS (the edgemax version of that gear) is a lot more of what you guys are looking for
23:54 < xe0n> broke spf lol
23:54 < Sousapro> I will say that you are shooting yourself in the foot with UBNT gear if you don't keep it updated to stable at least
23:55 <+AnonymooseWork> Sousapro yeah - it is a little outdated
23:55 <+AnonymooseWork> so maybe i should do that tomorrow and then revisit
23:55 < Sousapro> there's been a huge push over the last year to get unifi to full feature parity with EdgeOS
23:55 <+AnonymooseWork> actually a lot outdated
23:55 <+AnonymooseWork> 3.7 vs 3.9
23:55 < Sousapro> yeah
23:55 < Sousapro> update your controller
23:55 <+AnonymooseWork> Controller is the latest version
23:55 < Sousapro> fantastic
23:56 < Sousapro> just hit the little upgrade button. they'll be down for like 3 minutes on upgrade though
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> meh thats fine
23:58 < felda> AnonymooseWork looks like our SPF was broken
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> they aren't working right now
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> its all new
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> felda oh that sucks man
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> so thats hwo it snuck threw?
23:58 < felda> so it was likely a spoof :(
23:58 < Sousapro> Better than your SFPs being broken
23:58 <+AnonymooseWork> lol Sousapro too true
23:58 < felda> that is what happened tho
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