--- Log opened Wed Apr 11 00:00:00 2018
--- Day changed Wed Apr 11 2018
00:00 <+DomLS3> or close an account?
00:00 < Gencade> or open one?
00:00 < alazare619> DomLS3: nope
00:00 <+DomLS3> opening an account wouldn’t cause it to tank 130 points I don’t think
00:00 <+DomLS3> alazare619: better check it out quick
00:00 <+DomLS3> That much of a tank usually means a defaulted loan or missed payment or something major
00:01 <+DrGibby|> "our team will follow up on that"
00:01 <+DrGibby|> why does he even walk like a robot?
00:01 < Gencade> because if he doesn't, his human overlords will unplug him
00:02 < sadbox> vader-: FB does not do that FWIW
00:02 < Gencade> Americans don't understand it
00:02 < Gencade> That is the core problem
00:03 <+DrGibby|> we were joking at work that he doesn't even travel to places, he just ships a new body to places where he needs to go and logs in to talk
00:03 < grumplestiltzki> chappie wants to paint
00:03 < Gencade> DAE SENATORS ARE OLD
00:03 < Gencade> alrighty time to go home
00:04 <+MillerBOSS> Is http://www.dailymotion.com/ popular?
00:05 < grumplestiltzki> wtf is this - guy(?) with green hair and a flag scarf
00:10 < jiffylube> hello
00:12 < abakedapplepie> ohai
00:12 <+DrGibby|> HELLO FROM THE OTHER SIIIIIIIIII-IIIIIIIIIDE
00:12 < jiffylube> i wanted to know, how secure is IRC?
00:12 <+DrGibby|> its secure enough
00:13 < jiffylube> is it safer than WhatsApp?
00:13 < abakedapplepie> jiffylube: define secure
00:13 < jiffylube> can messages be intercepted?
00:13 <+DrGibby|> jiffylube: how about tell us the end goal and we can help with what you need
00:13 < abakedapplepie> by whom?
00:13 < abakedapplepie> if you use https, then no not during transit
00:13 < abakedapplepie> but server admins could
00:13 < jiffylube> by a device not connected to the channel
00:14 < jiffylube> can it?
00:14 <+DrGibby|> network operators have the ability to log public/private messages depending on the network
00:14 < abakedapplepie> server operators can be in your channel without you knowing it, if thats what you want to know
00:15 <+DrGibby|> correct
00:15 < abakedapplepie> they have special flags to hide behind on some IRCd
00:15 <+DrGibby|> abakedapplepie++
00:15 < abakedapplepie> but regular users cannot unles they have ircop privs
00:15 <+DrGibby|> ircop is shorthand for server or network operators
00:16 <+DrGibby|> why, whats up jiffylube?
00:16 < jiffylube> what are the best resources for learning cybersecurity?
00:16 < jiffylube> i am just very interested in knowing the security of certain protocols
00:16 < abakedapplepie> thats an extremely loaded question
00:16 <+TuxedoJack> Heh heh heh, Mark Puckerberg
00:16 < jiffylube> where's the practicality in using irc over standard web apps?
00:16 < abakedapplepie> simplicity
00:16 <+TuxedoJack> God DAMN, his asshole must be puckering back and forth
00:16 <+DrGibby|> I mean, the IRC protocol itself is more/less secure, but its the applications/servers that might not be.
00:16 < abakedapplepie> and nostalgia
00:17 < abakedapplepie> irc is an incredibly, incredibly simple protocol
00:17 < abakedapplepie> you could freehand IRC over telnet if you wanted to
00:17 < jiffylube> i'm sorry for it being loaded
00:17 <+DrGibby|> netcat can handle it too iirc
00:18 < abakedapplepie> jiffylube: basically, like every service on the intenet, its only as secure as the trust you place in the people running the service
00:18 <+DrGibby|> anyway, there isn't one particular resource to learn cybersecurity but generally having a good knowledge in some form of IT first would be a good start
00:18 < abakedapplepie> because who knows what misconfig they have
00:18 < jiffylube> what are the best resources for learning cybersecurity? stuff like binary exploitation
00:19 < abakedapplepie> step one to netsec is net
00:19 < jiffylube> something to compete in this https://trailofbits.github.io/ctf/intro/find.html
00:19 < jiffylube> i know how to program fyi
00:20 < abakedapplepie> progamming != network management
00:20 < abakedapplepie> do you know the osi model?
00:20 < jiffylube> socket programming, enterprise apps in java, etc.. but i'm really interested in knowing how advanced cybersecurity works
00:20 <+DrGibby|> thats about 1/100th the battle. Knowing how systems work and how networking works is going to be more needed
00:20 < jiffylube> yeah they're are eight layers right?
00:20 < abakedapplepie> the 8th layer is a meme
00:20 < abakedapplepie> just dont tell sophos
00:20 < abakedapplepie> they didnt get the memo
00:20  * DrGibby| eyes layer-eight 
00:21 < bobbeh> buncha larpers in here
00:21  * bobbeh puts on wizard hat
00:21 < jiffylube> application, presentation, session, transport, network, data link, physical
00:21  * DrGibby| humps bobbeh 
00:21  * abakedapplepie takes bobbeh's robe 
00:21 < bobbeh> such gentlemen!
00:21 < jiffylube> ok but what are the best resources?
00:22 < abakedapplepie> jiffylube i would suggest maybe checking out khan academy for an into to networking,  intro to sysadmin, then  intro to netsec,
00:22 < abakedapplepie> youre kinda at the ground level it sounds like
00:22 < abakedapplepie> idk what they have on khan but i know theres networking stuff
00:22 < abakedapplepie> i think
00:22 < abakedapplepie> mabe
00:23 <+DrGibby|> I think thats a good start
00:23 <+DrGibby|> then maybe look into a specific toolset in kali
00:24 < abakedapplepie> there is a lot of depth of knowledge to netsec, it really covers all kinds of different topics
00:26 < Gencade> ah good to be home
00:27 < bobbeh> DrGibby|: https://i.imgur.com/QjTSygu.jpg
00:27 < bobbeh> ;-)
00:27 <+DrGibby|> >.>
00:27 <+DrGibby|> fuk u booby
00:27 < bobbeh> :-D
00:27 < Gencade> that's hilarious bobbeh
00:27 < bobbeh> thank you Gencade
00:27 < Gencade> also fuck you DrGibby|
00:28 < bobbeh> get im Gencade
00:28 <+DrGibby|> eat a bag of dicks, Gencade
00:28 < Gencade> eat 2 bags of dicks DrGibby|
00:28 <+DrGibby|> I would but you've got them all
00:28 < Gencade> nice meme DrGibby|
00:28 <+DrGibby|> you love those bags of dicks, Gencade, we know
00:29 < Gencade> s/you/I
00:29 < Gencade> wtf where is layer-eight
00:29 < Gencade> cryptic1:
00:29 <+DrGibby|> some dickhead fucked with layer-eight so it got de-voiced
00:30 <+DrGibby|> which is why we can't have nice things
00:30 < skloie> more like layer nein
00:30 < Gencade> DrGibby|: you're the reason we can't have nice things.
00:31 < Gencade> skloie confirmed kenrin
00:31 <+DrGibby|> :)
00:32 < Gencade> DrGibby|: :))))
00:32 < mkillebrew> skloie: ohi
00:33 < Gencade> miller lite is a disgusting beer btw
00:33 < Gencade> don't @ me
00:33 < skloie> mkillebrew ayo
00:34 <@cryptic1> @Gencade,
00:34 <+DrGibby|> @cryptic1:
00:34 < Gencade> Don't make me come unglued cryptic1
00:35 < Gencade> bring back layer-eight
00:35 < mkillebrew> Gencade: layer-eight was quieted because whoever wrote it can't scrub user input, and was offended that they'd have to secure it
00:35 < Gencade> mkillebrew: who would do such a thing?
00:36 < Gencade> I thought kenrin was the only nazi in here
00:36 < mkillebrew> anyone bored enough
00:36 < mkillebrew> what
00:36 < Gencade> mkillebrew: what
00:36 < mkillebrew> like, literally all of the statement
00:37 < Gencade> Guess you weren't here when kenrin was defending the american nazi party, and hitler, like twice.
00:37 < Gencade> on two seperate occasions
00:37 < mkillebrew> no
00:37 < Gencade> he hasn't been back since.
00:37 < mkillebrew> but what does that have to do with anything else, either
00:37 < Ayeitzabee> Hitler did nothing wrong
00:37 < skloie> who's kenrin
00:37 < Gencade> Ayeitzabee: is that a meme or serious
00:37 < Gencade> skloie: some nazi
00:37 < Ayeitzabee> Meme
00:37 < Gencade> Ayeitzabee: ayyy nice meme
00:38 < Ayeitzabee> Thanksssss brother
00:38 <+DrGibby|> >MEME
00:38 < Gencade> DrGibby|: maymay?
00:38 <+DrGibby|> DANKE MAY-MEEEE
00:38 < Gencade> dankay may may
00:38 < Ayeitzabee> Only the dankest
00:38 < Gencade> yeah true Ayeitzabee
00:39 < Ayeitzabee> Will to live = 0 toda :D
00:39 < Ayeitzabee> Fuck
00:39 < Ayeitzabee> Perfect example
00:40 < Gencade> syntax error: variable never initialized in scope
00:40 < Gencade> also
00:40 < Gencade> .bofh
00:40 < Ayeitzabee> Gencade, L8 is dead
00:40 <+DrGibby|> some dickhead fucked with layer-eight so it got de-voiced
00:41 < mkillebrew> some idiot couldn't write sanatized scripts
00:41 <+DrGibby|> sanitized*
00:42 <+DrGibby|> not trying to be a grammarnazi or anything
00:42 < mkillebrew> I thought that looked wrong, just rolled with it though
00:42 <+DrGibby|> its one of those words I fuck up most of the time
00:42 <+DrGibby|> i got ya
00:42 < xe0n> keep rollin rollin rollin
00:42 < mkillebrew> irssi doesn't give me red squiggly lines
00:43 < Gencade> use hexchat mkillebrew
00:43 < mkillebrew> good god no
00:43 < Gencade> why not
00:44 < mkillebrew> why would I
00:44 < Gencade> well because you said good god no, so I assumed you had an objective reason for the emphasis placed on the statement mkillebrew
00:44 < mkillebrew> irssi runs inside screen on an ec2 host, it's clean and simple
00:45 < Gencade> Especially when I was just offering a solution to a problem you were just complaining on
00:45 < mkillebrew> no need to drag some local GUI inti it
00:45 < Gencade> unless you want red squiggly lines
00:45 < mkillebrew> It wasn't a complaint, it was an observation
00:45 < Ayeitzabee> So what happened with L8?
00:45 < mkillebrew> irssi 4 lyfe
00:45 < Gencade> [17:40] <+DrGibby|> some dickhead fucked with layer-eight so it got de-voiced
00:45  * mkillebrew flashes a vi gang sign
00:46 < Gencade> emacs
00:46 < skloie> \/|
00:46 < mkillebrew> I never considered you a peer before, but now I'll never consider you a friend, either.
00:47 < Gencade> mkillebrew: nothing of value was lost
00:47 < Gencade> .bofh
00:47 < mkillebrew> how very generic
00:47 < Gencade> generic like vi
00:48 < skloie> well this is entertaining
00:48 < mkillebrew> I used to use emacs, it was alright. After I went to vi, I don't even know how I suffered through emacs
00:48 < Gencade> I am watching zuckercuck get smashed so I am feisty
00:48 < mkillebrew> but it's not for everyone
00:49 < mkillebrew> bash is also in vi mode. One guy at work uses zsh, and a few complete lunatics use fish.
00:50 < Gencade> never used zsh or fish
00:50 <+CheckYourSix> Gencade: How is that questioning by congress going for him anyway?
00:50 < mkillebrew> they both have novel features, but not useful enough to change.
00:50 <+CheckYourSix> Is he making a fool of himself?
00:51 < Ayeitzabee> CheckYourSix, Hopefully
00:51 < mkillebrew> I have my for, if, while, and range statements for bash in muscle memory
00:51 <+CheckYourSix> He's a douchebag anyway. Fuck him
00:51 < Gencade> CheckYourSix: it's going well for him
00:51 < Gencade> because senators are
00:51 < Gencade> ...how you say... not techical?
00:51 < Gencade> technical*
00:52 <+CheckYourSix> Damn
00:54 < Gencade> yeah, many of them obviously don't have any experience with how/what kind of data facebook collects and how it treats it.
00:54 < Gencade> so it's honestly super cringe to the informed techy
00:54 < mkillebrew> What do you exepct from senators?
00:55 < mkillebrew> They try to represent the opinions of freaking everyone to some degree, they have to know very little about everything
00:55 < Gencade> Nothing, I was just hoping they would have been slightly more informed by their staff or some sort of committee before they make a fool out of themselves
00:55 < Gencade> or better yet, have an experienced person question him
00:56 < sadbox> CheckYourSix: not just not-technical, they're asking some pretty... poor questions in a lot of cases
00:56 <+CheckYourSix> The problem with that is they would have zero clue about what the tech savvy person is asking and what he's answering, so they would look bad. They can't have that.
00:56 < sadbox> like "WIll you give me the ability to export my data"
00:57 < sadbox> which they do
00:57 <+CheckYourSix> I haven't watched anything all day
00:57 < Gencade> They look bad anyway
00:57 < sadbox> "Can I delete my data" - yes fb does that
00:57 < sadbox> etc etc
00:57 < Gencade> One thing I can't figure out is if facebook actually accesses the data recorded on phone microphones
00:57 <+CheckYourSix> FB doesn't actually delete the data though...
00:57 < mkillebrew> what about the data about your data, or the relational data to that
00:57 < sadbox> CheckYourSix: they do
00:57 <+CheckYourSix> Gencade: Of course it does. Everything does
00:57 < sadbox> Gencade: they don't
00:57 < Gencade> see?  Everytime I ask about it, people disagree
00:58 < Gencade> even in technical settings.
00:58 < sadbox> Gencade: they don't
00:58 <+CheckYourSix> sadbox: Then why do I see so many people having ads pop up about things they've never looked up, only discussed verbally? I've seen it first hand.
00:58 < Ayeitzabee> Magic
00:58 < Ayeitzabee> Obviously
00:59 < Ayeitzabee> "Them God dam pixies at it again!!!"
00:59 < Gencade> See the only time I see it is on videos
00:59 < Gencade> and the people in there are usually shitposting on facebook abou it
00:59 < mkillebrew> Because you discuss it and remember it, then you see it
00:59 < sadbox> CheckYourSix: ads can be random, you also didn't notice the bajillion ads that weren't mentioned
00:59 < Ayeitzabee> ^
00:59 <+CheckYourSix> Fair point
00:59 < sadbox> humans are great at finding patterns whether they exist or not
01:00 < mkillebrew> your devices can't do that speech processing, and it's not streaming your voice all the time, that would be idiotic
01:00 < sadbox> mkillebrew: and yet, a senator fucking asked zuck about it
01:00 < mkillebrew> that's his job
01:01 < mkillebrew> ask stupid questions other stupid people asked him
01:01 < sadbox> apparently :/
01:01 < mkillebrew> so it can be answered publicly to their satisfaction
01:01 < mkillebrew> their being the eh, lay people
01:04 < sadbox> mkillebrew: yeah :/
01:07 <+CheckYourSix> And it looks like the flood gates might be opening for overtime. I can only hope.
01:08 < Gencade> LOL mark zuckerberg is using a booster seat
01:09 < Gencade> https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/8bba4t/zuckerberg_used_a_booster_seat_during_his/
01:10 < czarbomba> anybody here known by the rap name m.c. poopin' fresh?
01:11 < arlion> Can someone tell me where I am fucking up here?
01:11 < arlion> python
01:11 < arlion> final_check = input([ MY_CLUSTER ' does not exist in AWX.. Create it? [y/n]: ' ]);
01:12 < arlion> MY_CLUSTER being a variable
01:12 < Gencade> ##python
01:12 < sadbox> arlion: comma?
01:12 < arlion> yep
01:12 < arlion> that was it
01:12 < czarbomba> s/ being/FUCK being
01:13 < czarbomba> they kilt layer-eight :(
01:13 < czarbomba> this is clearly cryptic1's fault
01:13 < Gencade> czarbomba: someone was abusing it
01:13 < Gencade> but yeah, it is cryptic1 's fault
01:13 < czarbomba> sigh. fucking autists.
01:13 < czarbomba> so how are you kids this evening
01:13 < sadbox> arlion: but I think probably what you want is like
01:13 < Gencade> peachy, I am enjoying the cringefest that is the senate testimony of mark zuckercuck
01:13 < sadbox> final_check = input(MY_CLUSTER + ' does not exist in AWX.. Create it? [y/n]: ')
01:14 < arlion> yeah, I tried that but it didn't work
01:14 < arlion> let me try again
01:14 < czarbomba> oh wow it's still going?
01:14 < Gencade> czarbomba: https://www.twitch.tv/washingtonpost
01:14 < czarbomba> i figured once zuck showed his final super saiyan form the senate would flee
01:14 < sadbox> czarbomba: imagine your grandparents trying to grill someone about tech
01:14 < sadbox> it's going poorly
01:14 < czarbomba> brutal
01:14 < Gencade> HA!  The senate isnt informed enough to ask the correct questions in enough detail czarbomba
01:14 < czarbomba> and they're all going to tweet about it as a triumph later
01:14 < czarbomba> just watch
01:15 < czarbomba> (midterm election year)
01:15 < arlion> huh, now it works
01:15 < Gencade> well yeah, cuz they are asking the questions that they are getting in the mail
01:15 < Gencade> because 90% of the people sending them letters are older people like them
01:15 < arlion> sadbox: I think it was because I needed to swap my "" to '' due to the brackets at the end
01:15 < Giant81> this guy asking now..lol
01:15 < Gencade> Guarantee that zuckerberg is the youngest person talking in that room
01:15 < Giant81> "please give me a sound bite I can use to push censorship of the whole internet"
01:15 < czarbomba> "mr. zuckerberg, how do you personally feel about the googles?"
01:16 < Gencade> This is so cringey
01:16 < sadbox> czarbomba: also mixed in with things that FB already does
01:16 < sadbox> like "Will you let me delete my data?" "WIll you let me export my data?"
01:16 < sadbox> the answer is yes, both of those things are already features
01:16 < Giant81> it's a bunch of tech dinosaurs trying to get some sound bites to use durring reelection
01:16 < czarbomba> can we just cancel the 115th congress?
01:16 < czarbomba> start fresh in december
01:16 < czarbomba> s/december/january
01:16 < Gencade> czarbomba: ++
01:17 < Giant81> czarbomba: can we just cancel the curren presidential administration?
01:17 < Giant81> seems to be falling apart all on it's own though
01:17 < Gencade> yeah bout to say
01:17 < czarbomba> oh man the FBI raid
01:17 < czarbomba> i read that news in the middle of a meeting with a corporate bigwig
01:17 < Giant81> "the interent and facebook are same same"...lol
01:17 < czarbomba> it was all i could do not to laugh
01:17 < Gencade> yeah, they barely ever issue no knock raids like that
01:18 < czarbomba> man the fucked up thing is so many FB users believe that
01:18 < sadbox> Gencade: unless you're poor / might have drugs <3
01:18 < Giant81> then they're retarded
01:18 < czarbomba> some have even been corraled into that belief by restrictive data plans that allow free FB
01:18 < Gencade> yeah true
01:18 < czarbomba> their only experience with the internet is FB
01:18 < Giant81> oh a letter from MPAA..lol this should be good
01:18 < Gencade> sadbox: I should rephrase
01:18 < czarbomba> therefore "FB = internet"
01:18 < czarbomba> like AOL before it
01:18 < Giant81> speaking of tech dinosaurs
01:18 < Gencade> they only issue no knock raids when they can't trust the person
01:19 < czarbomba> gencade, and they DON'T do it for election finance violations
01:19 < sadbox> czarbomba: https://qz.com/333313/milliions-of-facebook-users-have-no-idea-theyre-using-the-internet/
01:19 < czarbomba> this is something big
01:19 < Giant81> "biased against conservatives"... oh you mean the group tossing the most bullshit?
01:19 < czarbomba> sadbox lol omg kill me now
01:19 < Giant81> I mean if you throw 70% of the bullshit, you get 70% of the censorship... it's not biased, it's proportional
01:19 < Gencade> see the problem with people and government nowadays is it's all conservatives vs democrats
01:19 < Gencade> wish people would wake up
01:19 < Gencade> and see there are the same problems with both sides
01:19 < mkillebrew> that's not the government that see it that way, it's people like you
01:20 < Giant81> Gencade: can't stay woke, woke people are harder to control
01:21 < Gencade> #getwoke
01:21 < Giant81> that's why you have to defund education
01:21 < Giant81> strip out healthcare
01:21 < Giant81> get rid of welfare
01:22 < Giant81> uneducated sick poor people are easier to manipulate
01:22 < Gencade> oh boy
01:22 < Gencade> pol alert
01:22 < czarbomba> "mommy i want a job where i can call some random bullshit meeting and waste 5-6 hours a day doing nothing but asking SMEs questions i don't fully understand" "honey, you want to run for congress"
01:22  * Gencade shoots myself
01:22 < Giant81> czarbomba: lol
01:23 <+CheckYourSix> Giant81: Tell us how you really feel
01:23 < Giant81> "I want to sit in a $5000 leather seat in DC getting paid to do nothing but ask quesitons for literally 4 min or something
01:23 < skloie> rage quit
01:25 < Giant81> the whole thing is a ridiculous public dog and pony show that will accomplish nothing "zomg look how tough we are on this tech guy!!! look how much we're looking out for your informations!! RAGE AGAINST THE GOOGLZ!"  I mean it's really funny the out of touch questions being asked.
01:26 < czarbomba> and the first thing they'll do is post to their constituents. on facebook.
01:26 < Giant81> lol
01:26 < Giant81> "did you see how much I stood up for you
01:26 <+CheckYourSix> czarbomba: ++++
01:26 < czarbomba> "don't forget to like and share my post
01:27 < sadbox> czarbomba: need dat reach
01:27 < Giant81> "but first accept my user agreement so I Can access your information"
01:27 < Giant81> "no don't bother reading it, unlike that big long one that suckerburg makes you sign, mines in your best interest, I promise"
01:33 < Giant81> I like the ugy that was all "oh do I need a warrent for you to give me access to groups that I find questionable so I can spy?"
01:37 < derpingit> hi guys. i am trying to allow dc joined laptops to connect to our ad for authentication and kms only. which ports do i need for ldap authentication only? (kms is 1688). in our environment, the staff and public wireless are on separate vlans
01:37 < derpingit> .. and subnets
01:37 < Giant81> derpingit: probably need 389
01:38 < Giant81> though knowing microsoft it's probably rpc
01:38 < derpingit> "TCP Port 3268 and 3269 for Global Catalog from client to domain controller." this one too?
01:38 < Giant81> so everything, but google a list from microsoft
01:39 < Giant81> if it's RPC you either need to open pretty much a few lower ports and everything from 1024-65535 or find a firewall that can inspect rpc calls and pinhole as needed
01:40 < derpingit> i think rpc is on at our location
01:41 < derpingit> do i need this one ? "TCP and UDP Port 464 for Kerberos Password Change "
01:41 < derpingit> and this one./. "TCP Port 3268 and 3269 for Global Catalog from client to domain controller.
01:44 < hug> derpingit: Wait what
01:45 < hug> There are like 15 static ports
01:45 < hug> and then a bunch of dynamic RPC ports
01:45 < hug> what are you actually trying to do? It sounds ridiculous.
01:45 < derpingit> ah ok . sorry. let me be more clear
01:46 < derpingit> i want to be able to license laptops from the wireless to our kms server. our staff and public wireless are on different vlans and subnets. because our kms only licenses domain joined computers, i assume ldap lookup is involved. i'm trying to find out which ports to open between vlans :)
01:47 < hug> ;/
01:47 < hug> You need a lot.
01:48 < hug> Because AD doesn't work like you think it does.
01:48 < hug> You need kerberos, you'll need smb, oyu'll need ldap, gc, dns, RPC, the RPC mapper...
01:48 < hug> I think that's mostly it.
01:49 < hug> Oh, and the RPC ports, just by the by
01:49 < hug> are like
01:49 < derpingit> man. my computer ops dept is gonna flip me off so abd
01:49 < hug> 50,000 to 65,000
01:49 < derpingit> bad*
01:49 < hug> So there's a good 15,000 ports you need open.
01:49 < hug> glhf
01:50 < hug> You can restrict those somewhat
01:50 < hug> but
01:50 < hug> What you're trying to do is a fool's game.
01:50 < xe0n> ^
01:51 < derpingit> lol
01:51 < derpingit> how would you handle that then.. i don't wanna use up 100+ mak keys :/
01:52 < mal_will> Work Ticket Description: $User has received calls from a few people telling her they received numerous calls from her cell phone and were calling her back. She states she hasn't called any of these people and is worried her phone has been hacked
01:52 < mal_will> I sure don't want to look into this
01:54 < derpingit> i think i have an idea. maybe i can setup a kms vm and limit access through fw based on mac ?
01:58 < zeph1rus> surely just allow ad access from the staff vlan?
01:58 <+DrGibby|> buddy of mine is getting married
01:58 < zeph1rus> cert based auth on the staff vlan only?
01:58 <+DrGibby|> and I'm just here opening beer
01:58 < derpingit> lol
01:59 <+MillerBOSS> Cheaper that way DrGibby|. Does the beer talk back?
01:59 < derpingit> i think that would work zeph1rus
01:59 <+DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: sometimes
01:59 <+DrGibby|> then I stop drinking
01:59 <+MillerBOSS> Well than drink faster
02:00 <+DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: good point. I need more beer apparently
02:00 < czarbomba> if the beer doesn't talk back then you bought the wrong beer
02:01 <+DrGibby|> well, it usually does, around 4am
02:01 <+MillerBOSS> Talk back in the way a girl would
02:01 <+DrGibby|> with me going "why did I dooooo thhhhhhiiiiiiiis"
02:05 < admiralspark> derpingit: in case the question wasn't answered, you need a corporate wireless set up for KMS licensing those laptops over wifi, with either ip-helpers kicking it to a dhcp server in the lan you're using or listeners for the KMS on that network
02:05 < admiralspark> you cannot do port-based restrictions between networks.
02:05 < admiralspark> for KMS
02:06 < admiralspark> I would do certificate-based auth and win 2x--more security and single sign-on using their AD credentials that will automatically "log them into the wifi". Something like EAP-TTLS.
02:06 < admiralspark> then just have the KMS listener in that range(s), and it'll license. Or use DHCP to advertise it using an option
02:07 < hug> You *can* do port-based restriction. It's just really stupid.
02:07 < admiralspark> nobody's gonna enter 16k ports though :P
02:08 < hug> You don't have to, in a general sense. You can restrict the ports the KCC uses.
02:08 < hug> But it's still dumb.
02:08 < admiralspark> you could do signature-based restrictions
02:08 < admiralspark> er
02:08 < admiralspark> hug: it uses the high-level block
02:08 < admiralspark> RPC, both ways
02:08 < admiralspark> iirc?
02:08 < derpingit> go tit ..all good ideas except the port based one for sure. thanks
02:08 < hug> admiralspark: Sure. But you can limit the high-ports the DCs talk on and just open those ports.
02:09 < derpingit> i just really really really despise working with our ops department. but i guess i'll need them involved. no way in hell this is happening any time soon
02:09 < admiralspark> oh and if you have any compliance you have to follow at all (HIPAA, PCI, NIST, ISO27001, etc) you gotta remember your kms is in scope derpingit  ;)
02:09 < admiralspark> hug: I guess. Hard to tell that RPC from something else though....I'd think?
02:09 < admiralspark> derpingit: My condolences
02:10 < hug> admiralspark: netsh int ipv4 set tcp start=50000 num=20
02:10 < hug> And then you can just IDS/IPS on those 20 ports.
02:10 < hug> But
02:10 < hug> again, this is dumb.
02:10 < derpingit> mu solution , even as stupid as is sound, would be easier for me to implement.. put up a kms behind a vyos router vm on that vlan and restrict per MAC on the firewall
02:11 < derpingit> then open kms for all on server (not just dc joined pcs)
02:11 < derpingit> any drawbacks to this you guys can think of ?
02:12 < hug> Apart from the fact that MAC restrictions are about as secure as wet tissue paper...
02:12 < derpingit> lol
02:13 < derpingit> MAK keys it is. fucket
02:14 < hug> derpingit: Have you read this? https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd981010.aspx
02:15 < hug> If literally *all* you need is KMS...
02:15 < hug> Just open port 1688
02:16 < hug> But that obviously won't do things like 'maintain trust relationship with the domain' and things like that.
02:18 < enix> anyone else here use dell hardware
02:18 < enix> and has been buying new shit like optiplex
02:21 < enix> also i need a password for my wifi
02:21 < zeph1rus> this alll sounds a lot like an xy problem
02:21 <+DrGibby|> macchanger -m DE:AD:BE:EF:13:37
02:21 < enix> taking funny suggestions for funny passwords
02:21 < enix> SSID is no bueno if that helps
02:21 <+DrGibby|> enix: password
02:22 <+DrGibby|> hunter2
02:22 < enix> i decided against pornografia infatia
02:22 < zeph1rus> trustno1
02:22 < Holo> lol
02:22 < enix> infantia
02:22 < derpingit> thanks, hug
02:22 <+DrGibby|> toomanysecrets
02:22 < enix> thispasswordwasntlongenough1
02:22 < enix> But legit anyone use dell hardware?
02:22 <+DrGibby|> myvoiceismypassportverifyme
02:23 < enix> HOLY SHIT
02:23 <+DrGibby|> thats a good password too
02:23 < enix> I should setup a network at home with the local airbnbs address as the ssid
02:23 < enix> And make it as fucking dangerously infected as possible
02:24 <+DrGibby|> that... might be illegal
02:24 < nohusuro> DrGibby|: find the law that says so :P
02:24 < nohusuro> how is setting up your own network illegal? :P
02:25 <+DrGibby|> nohusuro: talk to Marcus Hutchins
02:25 <+DrGibby|> "hosting malware" is more/less one of the charges
02:25 < enix> abraham linksys :'D
02:25 <+DrGibby|> nohusuro: setting up a network isn't illegal, you know that
02:26 < nohusuro> he authored the malware tool
02:26 <+DrGibby|> among other things
02:26 < nohusuro> enix: is just talking about having an infected network
02:26 <+DrGibby|> ok
02:26 < nohusuro> nothing he can do about that
02:26 <+DrGibby|> k
02:26 < zeph1rus> derpingit: do you have a 2016 dns server? how about setting a dns policy for the ad authed clients and only present them the kms dns?
02:26 < nohusuro> it was all the other people connecting to his network that probably infected it ;)
02:26 <+DrGibby|> uh huh
02:27 < czarbomba> anybody here identify as nonspecific non-binary
02:27  * DrGibby| raises ze's hand
02:27 < zeph1rus> I identify primarily as ethanol
02:27 < nohusuro> so 1 and 0 ?
02:27 < enix> i identify as jedi
02:28 < enix> https://www.barakonews.com/2013/05/funny-wifi-passwords-you-got-one.html
02:28 < enix> Other cultures are lame
02:28 < mkillebrew> my legal gender is qubit.
02:28 < czarbomba> it seems unwieldy and/or egotistical to refer to one's self as "they, theirs and them"
02:29 <+DrGibby|> https://i.imgur.com/Mk3FFhw.gifv
02:29 <+DrGibby|> so fucking perfect
02:30 < nohusuro> risky click :S
02:30 < enix> czarbomba: up until recently doing so would get you marked as insane
02:35 < derpingit> zeph1rus i do not.. but go on.?
02:35 < kuahara> finally finished.
02:35 < kuahara> took nearly 3 hours  :(
02:36 < derpingit> i'm still on 08r2 on this particular site, but i;ve been wanting to upgrade
02:36 < zeph1rus> derpingit: kms is located by dns, if your dns server is 2016 you can have a dns policy that only returns the valid kms server address to either ad authed or specific subnets of hosts.
02:40 < derpingit> that sounds like a sweet way to solve this issue
02:44 < zeph1rus> alternatively if you're all 8/10/2012+ you can use ad based activation and have it locked down to domain machines only.
02:45 <+DrGibby|> https://twitter.com/postessive/status/983802089007697921
02:45 < aName> When does the windows registry editor refresh changes?
02:49 < zeph1rus> aName: on f5 or folder move afaik
02:49 < aName> Yeah that's what I thought, thanks
02:49 < zeph1rus> I don't think there is an event you can listen for that notifys registry key/hive updates, but might be wrong.
02:50 < aName> I 'm just growing increasingly irritated trying to figure out why this registry change doesn't seem to be applying
02:51 < aName> And how the heck do you even look at HKCU while logged in as a standard user if the tool needs admin rights?
02:51 < aName> Bah, I've been at this too long
02:53 < zeph1rus> aName: connect to remote registry while user logged in?
02:53 < zeph1rus> from a machine with privs
02:56 < aName> Doesn't want to let me connect.
02:56 < nohusuro> aName: HKU has all the users on that machine. So just enumerate through those until you find the right user
02:56 < aName> Anyhow, it's 9PM and I don't get paid past five anyway
02:56 < aName> It's just so much easier to focus at home. >.<
02:57 < slamanna212> hello! i have an issue with a docker install on ubuntu 16. Since reboot, no container can access the internet. I even ran docker run busybox ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 and nothing
02:57 < slamanna212> I have no idea what happened and i really need this server back and working :(
02:58 < slamanna212> im not even sure where to start
02:59 < derpingit> gotta go. thanks, everybody
02:59 < slamanna212> all of the issues i google focus on DNS being an issue but i cant even have my containers talk to an IP address
03:02 < genr8_> its always DNS.
03:03 < slamanna212> i cant even ping 8.8.8.8 and i have dns servers listed in /etc/default/docker
03:03 < slamanna212> DOCKER_OPTS="--dns 1.1.1.1 --dns 1.0.0.1 iptables=false"
03:04 < slamanna212> and if i understand everything correctly, running docker run busybox ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 doesnt even need DNS, it just creates a busybox container and then tries to ping an ip address
03:04 < nohusuro> and I'm assuming the host the docker containers are running on can access the internet and ping 8.8.8.8?
03:04 < slamanna212> yes
03:04 < slamanna212> root@SlamaMedia01:/home/slamanna212# ping 8.8.8.8 PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=7.91 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=2 ttl=56 time=7.91 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=3 ttl=56 time=7.92 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=4 ttl=56 time=7.91 ms
03:04 < nohusuro> well I'm outa ideas (/me knows nothing about docker)
03:05 < nohusuro> iptables on the host blocking the docker network?
03:05 < slamanna212> i have iptables set to false
03:05 < nohusuro> on the host
03:05 < slamanna212> i use ufw for firewall
03:05 < nohusuro> not the images
03:05 < nohusuro> ufw still uses iptables does it not?
03:05 < slamanna212> yeah true
03:05 < slamanna212> i have no exp with ip tables , let me find the command to show rules
03:05 < nohusuro> iptables -L
03:05 < genr8_> https://1.1.1.1/
03:06 < zeph1rus> has the upgrade disabled ufq forwarding? ie is ip_forward still set to 1?
03:06 < zeph1rus> *ufw
03:06 < slamanna212> well ufw has made a mess of it but il show it here
03:06 < slamanna212> https://pastebin.com/yacmqzbL
03:06 < nohusuro> slamanna212: I know that after reboot, iptables isn't persistent unless you have something set up to restore rules. I'm not sure if ufw is the same
03:07 < slamanna212> all of my ufw rules are there
03:07 < slamanna212> root@SlamaMedia01:/home/slamanna212# ufw status numbered Status: active       To                         Action      From      --                         ------      ---- [ 1] 22                         ALLOW IN    Anywhere [ 2] 80                         ALLOW IN    Anywhere [ 3] 443                        ALLOW IN    Anywhere [ 4] 33101:33199/tcp            ALLOW IN    Anywhere [ 5] 33101:33199/udp            ALLOW IN 
03:07 <+DrGibby|> ufw is a mess
03:07 < slamanna212> crap sorry
03:07 < slamanna212> it says status active and lists all of my rules
03:07 < technonerd> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7436150?hl=en
03:07 < technonerd> wtf
03:07 < technonerd> dots arent real!
03:08 < zeph1rus> slamanna212: does cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward return 0 or 1  ?
03:08 < slamanna212> zeph1rus: it returns 1
03:08 < zeph1rus> welp
03:09 < nohusuro> well from what I can tell of the firewall rules, they look ok
03:09 < nohusuro> anythign in dmesg or syslog on the docker containers?
03:09 < nohusuro> tried a traceroute?
03:09 < nohusuro> rather than a ping?
03:09 < slamanna212> hmmm
03:09 < slamanna212> no let me
03:10 < slamanna212> literally doesnt even get one damn hop
03:10 < slamanna212> root@SlamaMedia01:/home/slamanna212# docker run busybox traceroute 8.8.8.8 traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets  1
03:10 < nohusuro> what's the gateway set to on the containers?
03:10 < slamanna212> wait! it just got a hop
03:11 < slamanna212> it got the gateway, 172.17.0.1
03:11 < slamanna212> https://img.looping.media/images/Hg3.png
03:11 < nohusuro> so which host is 172.17.0.1 on your network?
03:11 < slamanna212> i DID notice that the default docker bridge has IP masqurading set to false but i dont think thats causing issues cause im not using IP tables
03:11 < slamanna212> thats the docker bridge netowrk
03:12 < slamanna212> docker bridge inspect output https://pastebin.com/B353mrsC
03:13 < slamanna212> i found a tutorial for docker networking, in the offical docker help docs
03:13 < slamanna212> and all of my config looks just like that except ip masquerade is TRUE in their example, and FALSE in mine
03:13 < slamanna212> 5th line from the bottom in the config i posted
03:13 < nohusuro> what's your value set to in /etc/default/ufw for DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY ?
03:14 < slamanna212> i found some stuff in my syslog
03:14 < slamanna212> Apr 10 21:13:57 SlamaMedia01 kernel: [ 3261.765337] [UFW BLOCK] IN=docker0 OUT=eth0 MAC=02:42:5f:82:9a:1c:02:42:ac:11:00:04:08:00 SRC=172.17.0.4 DST=8.8.8.8 LEN=46 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=13 ID=496$
03:14 < slamanna212> THATS THE PING i tried to do!
03:14 < slamanna212> but i dont know how to get the entire line with nano
03:14 < nohusuro> well there's your answer
03:14 < nohusuro> UFW IS blocking the docker network
03:15 < slamanna212> ok interesting
03:15 < slamanna212> how do i unblock it
03:15 <+DrGibby|> uninstall ufw
03:15 < slamanna212> i use ufw
03:15 < nohusuro> slamanna212: what's your default forward policy set to ?:
03:15 < slamanna212> and it was 0 issues until the server restarted
03:15 < slamanna212> let me check
03:15 < nohusuro> it should be ACCEPT according to the docs I'm reading
03:15 < slamanna212> default forward policy is drop
03:16 < slamanna212> i need to make it accept?
03:16 < slamanna212> made it accept and ran sudo service ufw restart
03:16  * nohusuro doesn't know 100% the affect of that result
03:16 < nohusuro> but that's what I'm reading
03:17 < slamanna212> no change
03:17 < slamanna212> let me check syslog again
03:17 < nohusuro> kay, change it back just in-case then
03:17 < slamanna212> ok
03:18 < slamanna212> so its still blocking it?
03:18 < nohusuro> also from what I'm reading, ufw and docker don't play that nice together anyway
03:18 < nohusuro> well if there was no change, I imagine it's still blocking it
03:18 < slamanna212> so should i just uninstall ufw and learn how to use iptables?
03:18 < genr8___> why not just learn how to use ufw
03:18 < enix> because ufw sucks
03:18 < slamanna212> but nohusuro said they dont play well
03:18 < enix> firewalld is the way of the future
03:18 < genr8___> ufw allow docker0
03:18 < slamanna212> wait, il just disable ufw quick
03:19 < genr8___> http://blog.lukebennett.com/2015/09/13/make-docker-play-nicely-with-ufw/
03:19 < genr8___> 09/13/make-docker-play-nicely-with-ufw/
03:19 < genr8___> oops
03:19 < genr8___> https://gist.github.com/jkullick/6e7f765801d84dc2bfc5613949b62f4a
03:19 < slamanna212> i still get 0 pings returned after i disable ufw but il try that
03:20 < slamanna212> HOLY SHIT ITS ALIVE!
03:20 < genr8___> great
03:20 < slamanna212> root@SlamaMedia01:/var/log# docker run busybox ping -c 3 8.8.8.8 PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=0 ttl=55 time=7.993 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=1 ttl=55 time=7.995 ms 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: seq=2 ttl=55 time=8.029 ms  --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics --- 3 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max = 7.993/8.005/8.029 ms
03:20 < slamanna212> thank you all so so so much
03:21 < nohusuro> so is your default forward policy still DROP
03:21 < nohusuro> or did it get changed to aCCEPT?
03:21 < slamanna212> yes!
03:21 < slamanna212> i reverted it back after it made no change
03:21 < nohusuro> interesting
03:21 < nohusuro> and you rebooted ufw?
03:21 < nohusuro> restarted*
03:21 < slamanna212> yes!
03:21 < slamanna212> ufw is enabled and active
03:21 < nohusuro> cool beans
03:21 < slamanna212> im going to verify that right now once my containers finish booting
03:22 < slamanna212> fuck
03:22 < slamanna212> cant access my containers
03:22 < slamanna212> nvm i was impatient
03:23 < slamanna212> I can access containers via my nginx reverse proxy but not via ip:port like expected!
03:23 < slamanna212> im up and running
03:23 < genr8___> maybe the cloud host is still blocking connections in on that port ?
03:23 <+DrGibby|> congrats!
03:24 <+DrGibby|> if you were happy with the people helping, slamanna212, please !nominate them
03:24 <+DrGibby|> we should be rewarding people like nohusuro in this channel
03:24 < slamanna212> omg thats amazing! i didnt know that was a thing
03:24 < slamanna212> !nominate nohusuro
03:25 < slamanna212> il paypal / venmo you some money for a beer if you would like as well, id never get this working without your help!
03:25 < nohusuro> I mean technically genr8_ solved your problem :P
03:25 <+NinjaStyle> slamanna212: put a reason after your nomination
03:25 < slamanna212> !nominate nohusuro helping with docker networking
03:25 <+DrGibby|> I missed that, !nominate all the people :P
03:25 < slamanna212> !nominate genr8_ helping with docker networking
03:26 <+NinjaStyle> 👍
03:26 < slamanna212> i am lmao , i just had the wrong thing in my clipboard
03:26 < slamanna212> thank you all so so much
03:26 <+DrGibby|> !nominate genr8_ great gewgal-foo
03:26 < xe0n> beeeeerrrrr
03:26 <+DrGibby|> slamanna212: no prob buddy
03:26 <+DrGibby|> sometimes we like to help :P
03:26 < nohusuro> the fuck even is nominate for?
03:26 < nohusuro> just be a buddy :P
03:26 <+DrGibby|> nohusuro: for +v
03:26 < nohusuro> eww
03:26 <+DrGibby|> lasts 30 days
03:26 < nohusuro> status whores :P
03:27 <+DrGibby|> then back into the regular people pool
03:27 <+DrGibby|> its more "trusted helpers" than anything else
03:27 <+DrGibby|> but I'm a status whore, yes
03:27 < slamanna212> oh no, do i have to recreate all my docker containers?
03:27 < nohusuro> why would you have to?
03:27 < sadbox> DrGibby|: notice that I am not a trusted helper
03:27 < slamanna212> i still have no networking
03:27 < sadbox> It's because I dick around
03:28 < nohusuro> slamanna212: well you fixed one networking problem
03:28 < nohusuro> surely it's possible to fix the others
03:28 < slamanna212> oh darn
03:28 <+DrGibby|> sadbox: I also dick around ;)
03:28 < sadbox> you see, the difference is
03:28 < nohusuro> I wish I dicked around more than I do
03:28 < sadbox> I do nothing else
03:28 < nohusuro> we are talking about sex right ? :D
03:28 <+DrGibby|> yes
03:28 < nohusuro> kay, on the same page
03:28 < nohusuro> I did around at work in the none sex way
03:29 < slamanna212> WELP. now when i run docker run busybox ping -c 3 google.com , nothing happens
03:29 < nohusuro> The company is lucky if I get > 30 minutes of work done a day
03:29 < slamanna212> should i just restart docker?
03:29 < nohusuro> slamanna212: it could be that forwarding setting that you have to drop
03:29 < nohusuro> set it to ACCEPT like is recommended
03:29 < nohusuro> and restart all the things
03:29 < slamanna212> it couldnt hurt
03:30 < genr8_> did you enable ip_forwarding in the sysctl file
03:30 < slamanna212> default forward policy is accept
03:30 < slamanna212> oh, this line here: sudo sed -i s/DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY=\"DROP\"/DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY=\"ACCEPT\"/ /etc/default/ufw
03:30 < slamanna212> changes it to accept
03:30 < genr8_>  sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward
03:30 < genr8_> type that. it should be set to 1.
03:30 < genr8_> if not, sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
03:30 < slamanna212> its 1!
03:31 < slamanna212> oh god i have a dns issue now
03:31 < genr8_> might as well reboot? Idk. all else fails just try simple stuff ;p
03:31 < slamanna212> if i have a container ping 8.8.8.8 im golden
03:31 < slamanna212> if i have a container ping google.com it hangs
03:32 < nohusuro> so, dns issue now then
03:32 < sadbox> it's always DNS
03:32 < genr8_> ;p
03:32 < slamanna212> i might cry ffs
03:32 < nohusuro> so what are your container DNS set to?
03:33 < nohusuro> and is ufw blocking dns? xD
03:33 < slamanna212> i honestly dont know how to set that
03:33 < nohusuro> check da syslogs!
03:33 < slamanna212> i have docker ops set to use 1.1.1.1
03:33 < genr8_> you might have to push the default route as your existing IP
03:33 < slamanna212> syslog says nothing
03:33 < genr8_> the default gateway
03:33 < genr8_> nm idk
03:33 < nohusuro> cat /etc/resolv.conf in your containers
03:33 < slamanna212> newest message is me testing to make sure all my services werent exposed
03:33 < slamanna212> Apr 10 21:32:03 SlamaMedia01 kernel: [ 4347.679208] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:25:90:25:f4:68:00:d0:01:f5:30:00:08:00 SRC=121.33.169.122 DST=199.241.187.70 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=47 ID$
03:33 < genr8_> you already are pushing the DNS servers maybe that line failed
03:34 < sideup66> lol
03:34 < slamanna212> slamanna212@SlamaMedia01:~$ sudo docker run busybox cat /etc/resolv.conf # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4
03:34 < slamanna212> its pushing 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 , googles
03:34 < nohusuro> and if you dig google.com or nslookup google.com on the containers?
03:34 < nohusuro> it fails?
03:35 < xe0n> can you dig ittt
03:35 < slamanna212> it doesnt have dig lol let me try nslookuo
03:36 <+DrGibby|> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/hguffvD6/
03:37 < slamanna212> syslog shows nothing
03:37 < slamanna212> and its stuck like its trying to resolve the dns but not working
03:37 < slamanna212> root@SlamaMedia01:/home/slamanna212# docker run busybox nslookup google.com
03:37 < slamanna212> its displayed nothing after that
03:37 < nohusuro> almost definitely being blocked
03:37 < slamanna212> by what though?
03:37 < slamanna212> its allowed through ufw
03:37 < slamanna212> i dont even know where to look to figure out whats blocking it
03:38 < slamanna212> it just timed out
03:38 < nohusuro> https://development.robinwinslow.uk/2016/06/23/fix-docker-networking-dns/
03:38 < nohusuro> try peeking at that
03:38 < nohusuro> see if it helps
03:38 < slamanna212> https://img.looping.media/images/rVe.png
03:38 < slamanna212> google dns isnt blocked but il try another dns
03:39 < slamanna212> let me try something else real quick i have an idea
03:39 <+DrGibby|> i kinda miss myspace right now
03:39 < slamanna212> https://img.looping.media/images/BYK.png
03:40 < SpeakerToMeat> That moment when you intend to type "rpm -i file.rpm" and type "rm -i file.rpm" and auto hit y
03:40 < slamanna212> truthfuly no idea what iptables -t nat -F does but i hope it helps
03:41 <+DrGibby|> SpeakerToMeat: oh nooooooooo
03:41 < genr8_> I'd try to create that daemon.json file instead of using the DOCKER_OPTS thing to use the 1.1.1.1 dns
03:41 < slamanna212> WTF doing that sent me back to square one
03:41 < SpeakerToMeat> slamanna212: cleans all the rules in the nat table of network filter
03:41 < genr8_> FLUSH
03:41 < genr8_> lol
03:41 < slamanna212> well fuck
03:41 < SpeakerToMeat> DrGibby|: Fix is one curl away
03:41 < slamanna212> brb one sec
03:41 <+DrGibby|> SpeakerToMeat: thank god
03:41 < nohusuro> dude, it's NAT, it'll get recreated anyway
03:41 < nohusuro> doesn't matter if you flush it
03:41 < SpeakerToMeat> nohusuro: Errr the rules
03:42 < nohusuro> oh wait, I'm thinking of upnp
03:42 < nohusuro> ignore me
03:42 < SpeakerToMeat> nohusuro: if he hadn't saved them....
03:42 < The_Dv8or> sup
03:42 < SpeakerToMeat> Of course if he hadn't saved them, a reboot would've flushed them too :D
03:42 < slamanna212> even if i follow that command ,  docker run --dns 1.1.1.1 busybox nslookup google.com, and specify the DNS manually, no change
03:42 < SpeakerToMeat> At least we know he's not using centos 7, or he's a rebel if heis
03:42 < slamanna212> Ubuntu 16.04
03:43 < slamanna212> what if i just tracert now
03:43 < nohusuro> so just to clarify
03:43 < enix> inetmgr.exe.config is empty :\
03:44 < nohusuro> you've set DEFAULT_FORWARD_POLICY to accept, done a ufw allow in on docker0 and a ufw reload ?
03:44 < enix> Hunterkll: good timing
03:44 < enix> i was just about to ask you a question
03:44 < slamanna212> ufw reload?
03:44 < enix> inetmgr.exe.config is empty
03:44 < slamanna212> do sudo service ufw reload?
03:44 < enix> bunch of white space
03:44 < enix> Is there a way to fix it if I dont have a backup
03:44 < vader-> any citrix netscaler experts around?
03:44 < nohusuro> just sudo ufw reload
03:45 < slamanna212> ok it says firewall reloaded
03:45 < enix> vader-: no masochists here sorry
03:45 < slamanna212> FUCK
03:45 < slamanna212> after the firewall reload im all working now
03:45 < SpeakerToMeat> slamanna212: If you're using ufw I wouldn't play with iptables directly
03:45 < SpeakerToMeat> you can easily get into a tangle with ufw
03:45 < slamanna212> SpeakerToMeat: got it
03:45 < slamanna212> so , now i have access to ip addresses and host names
03:46 < genr8_> good
03:46 < slamanna212> now i just need to delete the 1000000 containers im sure docker made durring my testing and fire up all of my containers
03:46 < nohusuro> lol
03:47 < nohusuro> back to browsing reddit
03:48 < SpeakerToMeat> back to fighting my dragons
03:49 < Hunterkll> i'm thoroughly convinced
03:49 < Hunterkll> black people don't exist in iceland
03:49 <+DrGibby|> ...
03:49 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, i've been in iceland since monday morning lol
03:49 <+DrGibby|> how is your spreadsheet conference?
03:50 < Hunterkll> sooooon
03:50 < nohusuro> :D
03:51 < nohusuro> how was the party bus?
03:51 < Hunterkll> hasn't happened yet
03:51 < Hunterkll> soon
03:51 < Hunterkll> SOON
03:51 < Hunterkll> and i get paried with a dev too
03:51 < enix> omg spreadsheet conference!?
03:51 < Hunterkll> enix, EVE online
03:51 < enix> Did they discuss pivot tables????
03:51 < nohusuro> enix: eve online
03:51 < Hunterkll> i'm in reykjavik
03:51 < enix> Hunterkll: FUCK YOU
03:51 < enix> FUCK
03:51 < enix> YOU
03:51 < enix> FUCKING
03:51 < enix> FUCK
03:51 < Hunterkll> because fuck you
03:51 < Hunterkll> :D
03:51 < enix> Listen fucker
03:51 < Hunterkll> suck a dick
03:52 <+giant_it_burrit> he is a fucker
03:52 < enix> I still have the cock stinking bloody bounty
03:52 <+giant_it_burrit> ive met him
03:52 <+giant_it_burrit> nice guy :)
03:52 < enix> you cum guzzling fuck
03:52 < Hunterkll> AHAHAHAHAHAHAH WAIT
03:52 < Hunterkll> WAIT
03:52 < Hunterkll>  YOU STILL HAVE THAT BOUNTY???
03:52 < nohusuro> how big is the bounty?
03:52 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, i put like a billion isk bounty on enix
03:52 < Hunterkll> for lulz
03:52 < enix> I mostly mine in high sec
03:52 < Hunterkll> like a year ago!
03:52 < Hunterkll> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
03:52 < nohusuro> mine? you mean afk right?
03:52 < Hunterkll> i'm just
03:52 < Hunterkll> dying here
03:52 < enix> I haven't played in a very long time though
03:53 < Hunterkll> met some australian eve players
03:53 < nohusuro> did anyone come after you during burn jita?
03:53 < enix> nohusuro: this was after that
03:53 < Hunterkll> lololololol
03:53 < Hunterkll> did i shut enix out of the game
03:53 < Hunterkll> aahahahahhahahaha
03:53 < enix> thankfully because i took a freighter to jita with that fucking bounty
03:53 < nohusuro> huh, Hunterkll said a year ago?
03:53 < Hunterkll> i'm dying here
03:53 < enix> Hunterkll: nah haha i just haven't had time to play
03:53 < nohusuro> burn jita wasn't that long ago was it?
03:53 < Hunterkll> i don't remember
03:53 < enix> but fuck me i'm looking forward to not having that bloody bounty
03:53 < Hunterkll> i was like enix wanna fleet
03:53 < Hunterkll> and he was like sure
03:53 < enix> nohusuro: it was two or three years ago
03:53 < nohusuro> wow
03:53 < nohusuro> so long
03:53 < enix> yeah because i thought you wanted to go do a wormhole or some cunting shit
03:54 < Hunterkll> and i was like 1BIL BOUNTY LOLOLOL
03:54 < nohusuro> yall should give me your API keys for luls
03:54 < Hunterkll> suck a dick
03:54 < Hunterkll> thats hilarious
03:54 < enix> fuckin ay
03:54 < Hunterkll> enix, dude my name is on the ccp monument
03:54 < zeph1rus> 1bil isk basically just buys you frigates now jaja?
03:55 < Hunterkll> hunterkll is on a monument in reykjavik hahahhahaa
03:55 < enix> you can't be legit
03:55 < Hunterkll> google 'ccp monument' and 'name finder'
03:55 < Hunterkll> :D
03:55 < Hunterkll> i'm immortalized in iceland
03:55 < Hunterkll> so suck it
03:55 < Hunterkll> :D
03:55 < enix> https://www.polygon.com/2014/5/1/5669098/eve-online-monument-fanfest
03:55 < enix> yeah because your names in shining lights
03:55 < nohusuro> lol
03:55 < zeph1rus> Hunterkll: unless a goon scratched you off
03:56 < enix> You're like the guys who have their name on the one millionth miata
03:56 < enix> zeph1rus: LOL
03:56 < Hunterkll> lol
03:56 < Hunterkll> zeph1rus, nah i only got scamed by them in 2012
03:56 < enix> Hunterkll: your name is on row 2 column 11 line 123
03:56 < Hunterkll> yup
03:57 < Hunterkll> enix, where's yours?
03:57 < Hunterkll> :)
03:57 < zeph1rus> row 5 column 20 line 63 for me
03:57 < Hunterkll> zeph1rus, nice!
03:57 < enix> blow me
03:57 < zeph1rus> or row 2 column 3 line 6
03:57 < Hunterkll> enix, nah your name isn[t on a monument sorrry\
03:59 < Hunterkll> enix,  may i remind you i'm in iceland? and fuck you?
04:00 < enix> man.. i am legit jealous
04:00 < Hunterkll> dude
04:00 < Hunterkll> the money has fish on it
04:01 < Hunterkll> im gonna take back like $15 in us equiv to throw in my fish tank
04:01 < Hunterkll> the coins
04:01 < Hunterkll> also i'm in icelnad
04:02 < Hunterkll> zeph1rus, oh i saw ccp hq
04:02 < xamithan> My friend 3d print coins to do laundry
04:02 <+DrGibby|> xamithan: care to share your friends name?
04:02 < enix> I imagine CCP headquarters everyone has like six huge screens each
04:02 <+DrGibby|> I think there is someone from the Secret Service who would like to visit.
04:03 < enix> three for work three for eve
04:03 < xamithan> jorge
04:03 < Hunterkll> lol
04:03 < enix> xamithan: is that pronounced 'whore hey'
04:04 < xamithan> Is it?  I thought his mom called him whore
04:04 < zeph1rus> enix: there are 1 screens for web browsing, 5 screens for googling 'wtf is stackless python'
04:05 < enix> psht. That takes like two screens max
04:11 < Hunterkll> enix, https://i.imgur.com/t122Cbb.jpg
04:11 < Hunterkll> fish money!
04:11 < enix> wtf
04:11 < enix> this is what happens when you dont have a queen
04:12 < Hunterkll> the paper cash has people on it
04:12 < Hunterkll> but 100kr is like $1 usd
04:12 < Hunterkll> lol
04:12 < enix> wtfs a kr
04:12 < Hunterkll> Krona
04:12 < enix> lame
04:12 < Hunterkll> basic unit of currency here
04:13 < enix> alright i would be calling it "kronies"
04:13 < Hunterkll> well if you're a bronie sure
04:13 < enix> then tell my wife i'm 'off to chuck some kronies on the ponies'
04:13 < Hunterkll> bronie.
04:15 < ned0> https://i.imgur.com/ROZT8vz.png
04:16 < mkillebrew> he ended democracy?
04:16 < enix> Hunterkll: any recommendations for running eve behind a proxy
04:16 < Hunterkll> uh
04:16 < Hunterkll> keep the shortest routes
04:16 < ned0> soon mkillebrew
04:16 < enix> huh
04:16 < mkillebrew> how's that
04:16 < Hunterkll> netwrok routes
04:16 < Hunterkll> to england
04:17 < Hunterkll> shortest vpn routes to england
04:17 < enix> Ohhh
04:17 < enix> Sorry I meant how to do it
04:17 < enix> without affecting my whole system
04:17 < Hunterkll> CCP moved their servers to england a bit ago
04:17 < Hunterkll> oh uh
04:17 < Hunterkll> find the shortest route VPN i guess
04:17 < enix> I have a socks proxy to my VPS to hide my data useage for certain things
04:17 < Hunterkll> i don't use VPN for eve
04:17 < enix> oh all g i brought my mobile broadband with me
04:18 < Hunterkll> but IIRC T3 is in london now
04:18 < enix> i just cnanot get this kogan AP working with my sim card though
04:18 < Hunterkll> where are you?
04:18 < Hunterkll> lol
04:18 < enix> whorestralia
04:19 < Hunterkll> hahahahah i was having icelandic beer with australians earlier
04:19 < enix> how many did it take to get them drunk
04:19 < Hunterkll> eh we were on par
04:19 < abakedapplepie> !SEEN felda
04:19 < abakedapplepie> !seen felda
04:19 < SpeakerToMeat> Ok, here goes nothing
04:20 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, go die
04:20 < enix> softcocks
04:20 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, sup
04:20 < abakedapplepie> wat
04:20 < SpeakerToMeat> remotely upgrading my work machine to stretch
04:20 < SpeakerToMeat> via ssh
04:20 < SpeakerToMeat> .seen felda
04:20 < Hunterkll> enix, i am wearing my USMC AWC coat and my USMC sweatere lol
04:20 < SpeakerToMeat> Sigh I need to start comming back and earn back my +v
04:20 < enix> i forgot that your'e a hero
04:20 < enix> brb poo time
04:20 < Hunterkll> i maaay have gotten a bathroom blowjob
04:20 < Hunterkll> in a bar
04:20 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Dying slowly, you?
04:20 < Hunterkll> lol
04:21 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Ah, your dong is gonna fall off
04:21 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, dying slowly in europe
04:21 < Hunterkll> :P
04:21 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Hmmm what country?
04:21 < Hunterkll> iceland
04:21 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Fuck you :D
04:21 < SpeakerToMeat> I'd love to live in Iceland
04:22 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: So, if you're anything other than ecstatic every waking minute of your life, I'll get pissed
04:22 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, yes, i'm here for CCP fanfest, and yes, 'hunterkll' is engraved on the eve memorial
04:22 < Hunterkll> i'm memorialized in fucking iceland
04:22 < Hunterkll> so suck a dick
04:22 < czarbomba> god fucking damnit hunterkll we told you not to go near the holes in the stalls
04:22 < xe0n> i got a quickie last night from the chick i picked up at a bar over the weekend lol
04:22 < czarbomba> THE HOLE YOU STICK YOUR DICK IN MAY BE MORE MANLY THAN YOU
04:22 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Yeah, no, glaciars clean Iceland every 25 years so not that memorialized
04:22 < Hunterkll> reykjavik is stable so
04:22 < SpeakerToMeat> xe0n: Wait, you didn't get one the same night you picked her up? lame
04:23 < xe0n> SpeakerToMeat: of course i did ll
04:23 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: A) I want photos
04:23 < xe0n> but that wasn't a quickie lol
04:23 < Hunterkll> it was too dark when i visited but i will
04:23 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: B) I really, really, really REALLY want hotel photos
04:23 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Youc an send links by private, it can be room and/or hallways, it's ok not to show any personal items. I will not share them
04:24 < czarbomba> am i wrong to be totally creeped out right now
04:24 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: And I don't expect you to get kicked out over it
04:24 < Hunterkll> lol
04:24 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: I have a thing about hotels
04:24 < Hunterkll> czarbomba, i think SpeakerToMeat is in iceland, from a rival corp, and hunting me
04:24 < Hunterkll> i almost got into a fistfight earlier
04:24 < Hunterkll> from solar fleet assholes
04:25 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: For me staying at an hotel is like dressing in another creatures skin over your own
04:25 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: hah you guys really care about those things?
04:25 < czarbomba> "is she a big fat person?"
04:25 < Hunterkll> well there's not really many .... hotels
04:26 < Hunterkll> there's like only 11 legit hotels in iceland
04:26 < Hunterkll> only. lol
04:26 < czarbomba> seven of them are fronts for reindeer smugglers
04:26 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Search whithin yourself if you'd do it for me :D and if you do, look over the photos carefully so you're at ease that there's nothing identifying or personal in them
04:26 < Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/hIo6XxH.jpg
04:26 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat,  ^
04:27 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: You don't smuggle reindeers, they sell dope and you'd be in trouble with the reindeer mob
04:27 < Hunterkll> don't fuck with icelanding bouncers btw
04:27 < czarbomba> apparently light is heavier in iceland so you have to point all the lamps upward
04:27 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Btw what's ccp?
04:27 < Hunterkll> i saw them literally toss a guy into the streeet
04:27 < Hunterkll> it was fucking hilarious
04:27 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Nice! thanks, do you have a little desk or something in the room?
04:27 < Hunterkll> yea and a kitchen but lol
04:28 < SpeakerToMeat> Oh good, if you don't mind :D
04:28 < Hunterkll> TODAY: SPEAKERTOMEAT ID'S ME
04:28 < czarbomba> if you take a photo of the TV speakertomeat is going to nut in his shorts
04:28 < Hunterkll> SpeakerToMeat, no, i do mind
04:28 < nohusuro> I wonder what the latency is like to eve servers in iceland
04:28 < nohusuro> <#
04:28 < nohusuro> <3
04:28 < Hunterkll> my information is classified
04:28 < Hunterkll> there may be spies here
04:28 < Hunterkll> LIKE YOU
04:28 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: Eh the tv is another thing entirely, it's good but it lives in another area
04:29 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: aww :( thanks for the pic though
04:29 < Hunterkll> a pic of a bed is harmless enough
04:29  * SpeakerToMeat adds it to his stash
04:29 < Hunterkll> even though it runs out like 40% of the city
04:29 < Hunterkll> lol
04:29 < SpeakerToMeat> Hmmm 99% of my hotel photos come from IT friends... I need to get other professions, they might choose different hotel types
04:29 < SpeakerToMeat> Damn, if I could befriend a long haul trucker....
04:30 < Hunterkll> i can confirm i am not goonswarm
04:30 < czarbomba> long haul truckers don't get hotel rooms at all
04:30 < SpeakerToMeat> Though they'd probably sleep in their cabin
04:30 < czarbomba> they sleep in the rig
04:30 < Hunterkll> that's all i am allowed to do while in the counry
04:30 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: Yeah
04:30 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: take the pics and save them for after you've left? :D
04:30 < Hunterkll> Nope
04:31 < SpeakerToMeat> Ok.
04:31 < SpeakerToMeat> I had to try :D
04:31 < Hunterkll> Strict SOP
04:31 < SpeakerToMeat> sop?
04:31 <+DrGibby|> SOP
04:31 < SpeakerToMeat> and what's CCP?
04:31 < Hunterkll> standard operating procedures
04:31 <+DrGibby|> cancer child porn
04:31 < Hunterkll> CCP is the game company that makes eve online
04:31 < czarbomba> ask a trucker to take photos of the inside of his truck and he might hunt you down and do things to you, joyride style
04:32 < Hunterkll> saw their HQ while walking to the monument to find my name
04:32 < Hunterkll> lol
04:33 < SpeakerToMeat> Oooohhhhh shit
04:33 < SpeakerToMeat> you're an Eve head?
04:33 < SpeakerToMeat> czarbomba: You missed the chance to use a Duel reference
04:33 < Hunterkll> WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK I'M IN ICELAND?
04:33 < SpeakerToMeat> Shit that means you have money invested in Eve
04:33 < Hunterkll> since uh, 2007 ?
04:34 < SpeakerToMeat> I hope the bubble doesn't burst anytime soon
04:34 < SpeakerToMeat> Brb gonna refill my tea, and run your photo through the FBI db :P
04:34 < SpeakerToMeat> Sigh I need to develop two rolls of film someday soon :(
04:34 < Hunterkll> lol
04:35 < SpeakerToMeat> And set up a very very tricky shoot with a flash and a cat
04:35 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: I was gonna try to plead a photo of any art in the room (a single painting is ok) but I think I got all I could get from you. Thanks nonetheless
04:35 < Hunterkll> lol
04:35 < Gibby|> cunt
04:36 < Hunterkll> there could be spies here
04:36 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: At least tell me, are you a good ranking officer in your co? or are you IT in Eve too?
04:36 < Gibby|> shit wrong channel
04:36 < Gibby|> my b
04:36 < Hunterkll> i'm officially in an NPC corp
04:36 < Hunterkll> :)
04:36 < SpeakerToMeat> A.....
04:36 < SpeakerToMeat> So you fuckers work under bot orders?
04:36 < togen> if only I had more time to play eve
04:36 < Hunterkll> I may have like, 10 chimeras
04:36 < Hunterkll> and some archons
04:36 < Hunterkll> under me in my NPC ownership
04:36 < Hunterkll> but meh
04:36 < togen> how many accounts?
04:37 < SpeakerToMeat> togen: If only had time, money, a good enough pc, ease of mind, decent connection, and much less revolt at the idea of booting windows, to play Eve
04:37 < Hunterkll> CLASSIFIED
04:37 < togen> lol too many
04:37 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: What's and archon?
04:37 < togen> Carrier
04:37 < Hunterkll> lol
04:37 < SpeakerToMeat> togen: Air Conditioner?
04:37 < Hunterkll> i bleed carriers in NPC corps
04:37 < Hunterkll> :P
04:37 < SpeakerToMeat> Ok you're both talking cypher now
04:37 < Hunterkll> togen, you out here?
04:38 < SpeakerToMeat> brb gonna fetch my tea
04:38 < nohusuro> omg there's a togen
04:38 < Hunterkll> lol
04:38 < togen> na
04:38 < nohusuro> you haven't been here in a forever
04:38 < togen> and yeah im back, been busy
04:38 < nohusuro> an entire forever!
04:38 < nohusuro> were you in jail or something?
04:38 < nohusuro> :P
04:38 < SpeakerToMeat> 29% of packages downloaded for apt upgrade.... and there's still a dist-upgrade to do... heck
04:38 < togen> melbourne? close enough?
04:39 < nohusuro> SpeakerToMeat: set up a local apt mirror
04:39 < nohusuro> nothing like having a local mirror for all your instances to pull from
04:39 < nohusuro> ya know, if you have a few hundred gig of spare disk space
04:40 < togen> yep or next best thing is knowing your next hop has a mirror available
04:42 < togen> also its getting cold now :(
04:44 < SpeakerToMeat> togen: Not here :P
04:44 <+DrGibby|> its been cold :(
04:44 < SpeakerToMeat> it's 23ºC, and next step will never have a mirror, and if they do, I wont trust it
04:44 <+DrGibby|> trade me pls
04:45 <+DrGibby|> its be near 0C for under for the last several months
04:45 < SpeakerToMeat> We have two seasons, Hot, and Rainy
04:45 <+DrGibby|> we have two, too. Hot and "I want to kill myself"
04:47 < rpifan> .weather
04:47 < rpifan> its 79 degress atm
04:48 < Casteil> https://imgur.com/Mk3FFhw lets all just take a moment to consider that, as weird/awkward as we may be, we're still not as weird as zuckerberg
04:50 < enix> .weather sydney
04:53 <+DrGibby|> .wx hell
04:53 < mkillebrew> bot is still in timeout
04:54 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: One question though
04:54 < enix> motherfuckers shape mobile 4G internet to 1/3
04:54 < enix> 10/3**
04:54 < SpeakerToMeat> Hunterkll: Are the brown pillows yours, or the hotel's?
05:13 < enix> hi rootsudo
05:13 < rootsudo> hey enix
05:13 < enix> i got my mobile broadband running finally
05:14 < enix> my speed is 10/3
05:14 < enix> 10 fucking 3
05:14 < togen> why so slow?
05:14 < enix> because this is australia
05:14 < enix> why would anyone need faster internet than that?
05:14 < enix> if they did, they are obviously pirating cars and casinos
05:15 < togen> cause with a couple Telstra 4GX nighthawks we could pull 600mbps?
05:15 < SpeakerToMeat> enix: Cry me a river
05:15 < enix> togen: must be an optus thing
05:16 < togen> depends on the tower too
05:16 < SpeakerToMeat> enix: My nominal speed is 6/0.768, I get 0.850/0.768, at the best of times I get up to 1.2/0.768
05:16 < enix> SpeakerToMeat: get off dialup
05:16 < Casteil> kinda nsfw but steam is becoming a porn game provider against all expectations
05:16 < enix> togen: optus: "Super fast 4g+" lol
05:16 < enix> Casteil: in what way
05:16 < Casteil> http://store.steampowered.com/app/751440/VR_Kanojo__VR/?snr=1_4_4__tab-PopularNewReleases < Keep seeing shit like this pop up in the new/trending games list
05:17 <+DrGibby|> just saw someone trying to get into the wrong car after being entirely too drunk to walk
05:17 < hug> What's the point of having VR if you don't use it for wacky anime porn games?
05:17 < Casteil> DrGibby|:  :\
05:18 <+DrGibby|> yeah :/
05:18 < enix> 100% i could fap to that
05:18 < Casteil> I mean, yeah... I probably could too
05:19 < Casteil> but it's just.. unexpected, steam was generally pretty clean as far as standards go
05:19 < togen> enix: could be congestion?
05:19 < enix> I dont see how things like GTA and shit could be okay but VR border-line child exploitation isnt
05:19 < togen> haven't heard much from optus in a network pov
05:19 < Casteil> weird with youtube cracking down so much on content, then you've got steam going the sort of opposite way
05:20 < enix> togen: yeah not too sure. it's weir dbut whatever
05:20 < togen> yeah then you have pornhub going mainstream with content
05:20 < enix> togen: i'll see how it goes at home. It's just today i have it at work because i wanted to get the kogan AP working at a time when im awake
05:21 < enix> Casteil: honestly this is 2018 and this is the internet. YouTube are fucking over their content creators and networks, and subsequently their viewers
05:21 < enix> YouTube also has the advertisers presurring them. We were all for ads to keep it alive, but what we didn't realize was that advertisers would complain about swearing and porn
05:22 < nohusuro> these companies fucking over their users just opens space for new competitors
05:22 < enix> So YouTube's like 'well thats okay we'll ban that then', now we have issues with copyright, advertising etc. and it's an intense mind fuck just to stream a game because you dont know if it'll be permitted or not
05:23 < enix> Steam doesn't have the limitations of advertisers. Noone will tell steam to fuck off and not sell their game because there's VR porn available for mature gamers, because they probably wouldn't make sales without it
05:33 < enix> Hunterkll: whats a ship simulation
05:36 < SpeakerToMeat> One day, I might get an anniversary voyager box set
05:40 < enix> i am struggling to focus today :\
05:47 < abakedapplepie> eat some coffee
05:47 < xe0n> where in aus are you enix?
05:48 < enix> shityney
05:48 < xe0n> haha nice
05:58 <+A-KO> rebooty time
06:00 < The_Machine> did you guys learn linux with books, school, messing around, or how?
06:00 < voidstar> installing the os and using it
06:01 < The_Machine> i'm just not sure what to use it for I guess
06:01 < The_Machine> trying to come up with ideas
06:01 < vader-> Any of you guys do Citrix NetScaler work?
06:02 < The_Machine> never heard of it, seems interesting though
06:04 < abakedapplepie> my first foray in linux was installing gentoo
06:04 < vlab> my condolences
06:04 < abakedapplepie> do that
06:04 < The_Machine> nahhh
06:05 < abakedapplepie> vlab: it was fun!
06:05 <+A-KO> my first was Redhat 5....not RHEL5, Redhat 5....
06:05 < The_Machine> i've played with it for like, 20 years
06:05 <+DrGibby|> oh my god I think the chemical attacks in Syria were less than that fart I just allowed to exist
06:05 <+A-KO> and then gentoo later on
06:05 < The_Machine> but i don't know shit about it
06:05 < abakedapplepie> nothing says fun like waiting 13 hours for X to compile
06:05 < abakedapplepie> D:
06:05 < The_Machine> but messing with the OS to even run was part of it
06:05 < The_Machine> it was like..  a long damn time ago though
06:05 < abakedapplepie> but the performance games, my god
06:05 < abakedapplepie> blistering
06:06 <+DrGibby|> ugh
06:06 < voidstar> A-KO, when manuals thicker than my forearm, and there were 6 in the set
06:06 <+DrGibby|> its lingering
06:06 < abakedapplepie> whats wrong bb
06:06 < abakedapplepie> oh a fart
06:06 < abakedapplepie> thats dumb
06:07 <+DrGibby|> pls halp
06:07 < abakedapplepie> revel in it
06:07 <+DrGibby|> its bad
06:07 < abakedapplepie> acquiesce to the beef
06:07 <+DrGibby|> no, I mean, its *bad*
06:07 < abakedapplepie> god dammit my dog is fucking too cute to handle
06:08 < abakedapplepie> i cant get anything done
06:08 < SpeakerToMeat> "1905 upgraded, 1106 newly installed, 257 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
06:08 <+DrGibby|> we missiled Syria for less
06:08 < abakedapplepie> SpeakerToMeat: we need some units for those numbers
06:09 < abakedapplepie> updates?
06:09 < SpeakerToMeat> apt dist-upgrade
06:09 < voidstar> packages
06:09 < abakedapplepie> lol
06:09 <+DrGibby|> anyway, goodnight <3
06:09 < SpeakerToMeat> Good night on this side too
06:09 < SpeakerToMeat> I'm DrGibby|'s secret identity so I need to log off when they do. Please don't let they know
06:12 < abakedapplepie> he just laid his head down on my foot
06:12  * abakedapplepie swoons 
06:20 < xe0n> vader-: yes have a netscaler here
06:35 < vader-> ever work with SAML or anything on them?
06:38 < matty_r> Anyone know if it's possible to setup port forwarding from say a Digital Ocean vpn server, to my own vpn server that is behind a 4G modem router?
06:38 < abakedapplepie> you mean route traffic from site a over vpn and out the wan on site b?
06:38 < matty_r> Apparently I can't do port forwarding from the 4G router because it's behind the telcos NAT
06:39 < abakedapplepie> oh
06:39 < voidstar> vpn to the DO box, then reverse proxy into your network behind the 4G modem
06:40 < matty_r> I'm basically trying to get away with running a vpn server on from behind the 4G modem without having to get some sort of business plan SIM
06:41 < matty_r> I would then be limited by the allowed traffic limits on the DO box right?
06:42 < voidstar> you can use 1TB of traffic on a 4G modem in a month?
06:42 < matty_r> I don't know what the limit is ha ha
06:42 < matty_r> I'm trying to do it as cheap as possible
06:42 < voidstar> last I checked, it's 1TB
06:42 < voidstar> for $5/mo
06:42 < matty_r> Yea, you're right
06:43 < matty_r> So that would work you think?
06:43 < matty_r> Sounds like I would have the same problem?
06:44 < voidstar> you can make it work
06:46 < matty_r> So i'll connect to the IP address on the DO box, which will forward traffic to the 4G network?
06:47 < voidstar> yeah, I think reverse proxying works best if you have specific services you're accessing behind your modem
06:48 < matty_r> I'm running pfSense on the 4G network. Maybe I could just connect it to the VPN server on the DO box.
06:48 < matty_r> then allow traffic between the VPN clients
06:48 < voidstar> yes
06:48 < voidstar> not sure if that's the best way to do it, but you can make that work
06:48 < matty_r> that sounds viable
06:49 < matty_r> Basically, it's a backup connection if my main vpn server dies. So I can get in another way to fix up the main vpn
06:49 < voidstar> uh
06:50 < voidstar> but you can't access vpn directly on the private network since you're behind the ISP's nat, no?
06:50 < matty_r> I can on my broadband, its just the 4G vpn I can't get to directly
06:51 < voidstar> ah, right
06:51 < voidstar> gotcha
06:51 < matty_r> so it's a secondary gateway
06:51 < voidstar> I've hopped into the loop now
06:52 < matty_r> i've just got a secondary sim that came with my phone that i'm not using. So i'm putting it to use
06:59 < matty_r> Do any of those cloud hosts have free options?
06:59 < matty_r> Like AWS or whatever?
07:00 < voidstar> you'd be hard pressed to find one
07:00 < matty_r> fair enough
07:00 < voidstar> for free, get a friend who's running a home lab to lend the assist
07:00 < matty_r> i've got $10 credit through DO anyways
07:01 < matty_r> Can I do any sort of forwarding through cloudflare?
07:01 < voidstar> not sure
07:01 < voidstar> or put a raspi at a relative's house that you give free tech support so they earn their keep
07:02 < matty_r> Thats actually a good idea
07:05 < matty_r> What should I google to help achieve what I want to do?
07:06 < voidstar> openvpn, and ddns for the raspi route
07:06 < voidstar> I think you want site to site
07:07 < matty_r> openvpn site to site?
07:07 < voidstar> yeah
07:07 < matty_r> will that still work though if the 4G network is behind that NAT?
07:08 < voidstar> yeah
07:08 < voidstar> it's still a client-server paradigm
07:08 < matty_r> really. Ok
07:08 < matty_r> Ahh right, so they both connect to each other
07:09 < voidstar> DO/raspi = server, pfsense behind 4g = client
07:10 < matty_r> ok neat
07:12 < voidstar> I'm out o/
07:21 < Hempux> How did the zuckerberg interrigation go?
07:26 < MrFantastik> interesting Hempux
07:27 < MrFantastik> btw is anyone on?
07:27 < MrFantastik> i watched the whol thing twice though
07:27 < enix> matty_r is and he's been dying to tell everyone his opinions on zuckerbergs tho
07:27 < enix> thingo
07:28 < Hempux> Im off to work
07:28 < MrFantastik> i have a systemd thats telling me that it can't find a file that i can definetly say exits
07:28 < Hempux> Chao boiz
07:28 < MrFantastik> exists**
07:29 < enix> permissions
07:29 < Hempux> MrFantastik, permissions
07:29 < Hempux> damn enix you beat me to it.
07:29 < MrFantastik> i have a duplicate version of the file that works with the same user
07:29 < MrFantastik> it works fine
07:29 < MrFantastik> ill post both
07:29 < enix> huh
07:29 < enix> it's still prob permissions
07:30 < enix> run `systemctl stop firewalld ; ip a ; curl icanhazip.com; netstat -ntlup` and post the output
07:33 <+MillerBOSS> https://twitter.com/becket/status/983846618263891968 Photo of Zuck's notes, by AP's @andyharnik
07:33 < MrFantastik> https://pastebin.com/tXw9aiTw
07:36 < enix> dem fingers
07:36 < enix> fucking kielbasa
07:36 <+MillerBOSS> Lots of good info here if you want to read about it https://techmeme.com/
07:37 < MrFantastik> thanks for those links
07:38 < MrFantastik> that was really interesting
07:38 < enix> 3% blackies
07:38 < enix> 5% spicks
07:38 < enix> what shitty demographic is that
07:39 < enix> at least in australia most companies are like 30% asian. It's made our roads more dangerous but the morality is worth the trade off
07:39 < MrFantastik> https://pastebin.com/z4YK7SFK
07:39 < MrFantastik> thats the output of ls test-wine/env/bin btw
07:40 < enix> i'd look but i'm battling with iis right now sorry
07:40 < MrFantastik> :'(
07:40 < enix> DefaultAppPool starts then stops
07:40 < MrFantastik> ill send good zucc memes
07:41 < enix> The worker process failed to initialize correctly and therefore could not be started.  The data is the error.
07:41 < enix> Like thanks Windows
07:41 < enix> You unhelpful piece of tacked together shit
07:41 < MrFantastik> lmao
07:41 < MrFantastik> you work on a windows server?
07:41 < enix> it's probably windows desktop with iis installed
07:42 < enix> yeahp
07:42 < enix> Win 7 Professional with a Core 2Duo and 4GB of RAM being used as the primary server
07:42 < enix> for business critical functions
07:42 < MrFantastik> RIP
07:43 < enix> Windows to me requires experience, because the only way to know what's broken and fix it is to have seen it before
07:43 < enix> a bit like how people learned from camp fire stories
07:44 < enix> Meanwhile in Linux land, everythings so accurate as fuck that the softwares like "g'day mate, sorry I broke down, just letting you know it's because you forgot to set the permissions correctly on the parent directory of your webroot. that would be /var/www/html incase you forgot. have a great one cobba"
07:44 < xe0n> cobba loll
07:44 < enix> Linux is like three steps away from being a completely self repairing system out of the box
07:45 < xe0n> ok
07:46 < MrFantastik> lol not for me right now
07:47 < enix> MrFantastik: its your permissions
07:47 < enix> chwon to the app's user account
07:47 < MrFantastik> the app is on the correct user's account
07:48 < enix> init 6
07:48 < MrFantastik> ls -l test-wine/
07:48 < MrFantastik> total 8
07:48 < MrFantastik> drwxr-xr-x 4 django-apps www-data 4096 Apr  3 23:47 env
07:48 < MrFantastik> drwxr-xr-x 8 django-apps www-data 4096 Apr  9 23:33 test-wine
07:48 < enix> c-c-c-combo breaker
07:49 < enix> goddamnit.
07:49 < MrFantastik> heh didnt wanna pastebin for 4 lines
07:49 < enix> but it says total 8
07:49 < enix> theres your problem
07:49 < enix> file systems corrupted
07:49 < MrFantastik> what should i do?
07:49 < enix> write a letter to microsoft
07:49 < enix> voting that they officially fo FUCK THEMSELVES
07:49 < enix> with a cum soaked cactus
07:49 < MrFantastik> noted
07:50 < vader-> xe0n you running XenApp 6.5?
07:50 < enix> whats it actually doing
07:51 < MrFantastik> are you talking to me enix ?
07:51 < enix> yeh
07:51 < MrFantastik> starting gunicorn on a django app
07:52 < MrFantastik> ls -l on wine is the same btw
07:52 < MrFantastik> same output
07:52 < MrFantastik> and that one works fine
07:52 < xe0n> vader-: yep, about to start planning a 7.15 build
07:52 < xe0n> farm*
07:53 < enix> and what happens when you start it
07:53 < MrFantastik> waiiiitttt
07:53 < enix> you cant access things?
07:53 < MrFantastik> guess what
07:53 < enix> it was permissions
07:53 < MrFantastik> django-apps@vultr:~$ ls -l wine
07:53 < MrFantastik> total 8
07:53 < MrFantastik> drwxrwxr-x 4 django-apps www-data 4096 Mar 13 23:40 env
07:53 < MrFantastik> drwxrwxr-x 8 django-apps www-data 4096 Mar 17 17:50 wine
07:53 < enix> breaker
07:53 < enix> got it
07:53 <@Nostalg14c> o/
07:53 < MrFantastik> it was permissions
07:53  * enix farts on MrFantastik 
07:54  * MrFantastik sniffs
07:54 < enix> o7 Nostalg14c
07:54 < plop> morning suckers
07:56 < enix> ive spent all day on this iis thing
07:56 < enix> i'm ready to crawl into a ball
07:57 < enix> brb
08:01 < enix> spoke to my 'manager'
08:01 < enix> he's like 'have you searched the intranet'
08:01 < enix> 'have you searched google'
08:03 < matty_r> well did you?
08:03 <@Nostalg14c> whats wrong enix
08:03 < enix> matty_r: yes.
08:03 < enix> Nostalg14c: apppool keeps crashing
08:03 < enix> The worker process failed to initialize correctly and therefore could not be started.  The data is the error
08:03 < matty_r> permissions
08:03 < enix> So helpful
08:04 < matty_r> normally permissions
08:04 < enix> matty_r: I thought so but A) i can't determine the target for the permissions nor B) the permissions to give
08:04 <@Nostalg14c> What app isit?
08:04 <@Nostalg14c> everyone: full control
08:04 <@Nostalg14c> ezpz
08:04 < enix> our software
08:04 <@Nostalg14c> just to rule that shit out
08:04 < matty_r> What account is used to run the app pooL?
08:05 < matty_r> Is it used with other app pools?
08:05 < enix> applicationpoolidentity or whaever it is. it doesn't come up when trying to give permissions
08:05 < enix> we only have the default app pool
08:05 < MrFantastik> okay
08:05 < MrFantastik> permissions are the same now
08:05 < matty_r> what server version are you using?
08:05 < MrFantastik> reloaded daemon
08:05 < MrFantastik> started service
08:05 < enix> iis 7(?) on win 7 pro
08:05 < MrFantastik> still same error
08:06 < MrFantastik> CHDIR
08:06 < enix> MrFantastik: yeah + reboot machine
08:06 < enix> Oh you?
08:06 < matty_r> Youre using Win 7 pro as your IIS server?
08:06 < enix> matty_r: im not. the client is
08:06 < MrFantastik> init 6?
08:06 < enix> matty_r: that's our software though
08:06 < enix> init 6 is reboot
08:06 < enix> kinda
08:06 < MrFantastik> is that the way i should do that?
08:06 < matty_r> Thats where youre iis issues are occuring though right?
08:06 < enix> it's pretty forceful
08:06 < enix> You're basically switching to runtime six which is a reboot
08:07 < MrFantastik> what would they way you would reccomend?
08:07 < enix> it's like init 0 will shut down. it's like shutdown -r -f -t 0
08:07 < MrFantastik> im actually going to do it thorugh the vps
08:07 < enix> personally i just init 6
08:07 < MrFantastik> i think that would be better
08:07 < MrFantastik> not accidentallly destroy my instance
08:07 < enix> not really
08:08 < enix> just use reboot
08:09 < enix> that should send a sihup
08:09 <@Nostalg14c> no need for -f with -t 0
08:10 < MrFantastik> still the same error after reboot
08:11 <@Nostalg14c> im so confused
08:11 <@Nostalg14c> is enix MrFantastik
08:11 < enix> no
08:11 < enix> different person
08:12 <@Nostalg14c> o right, read up a little more.
08:12 < MrFantastik> yea im a different person lol
08:12 < MrFantastik> im learning man
08:12 < MrFantastik> i just bout the unix and system administrators handbook
08:12 < MrFantastik> going cover to cover
08:13 < enix> wow dedication
08:13 < MrFantastik> i wanna git gud
08:13 < plop> MrFantastik, read http://bofh.bjash.com/ between chapters
08:13 < MrFantastik> plus its interesting
08:14 < plop> it is important.
08:14 < MrFantastik> looks interesting and definetly like the site layout
08:14 < enix> plop: +1
08:14 < enix> i prefered ntk
08:14 < enix> spewing they dropped it
08:14 < plop> it is a manual on how to handle lusers
08:14 < enix> i find ntk had different stories?
08:15 < plop> enix, i don't know :D
08:15 < MrFantastik> im pretty confused
08:15 < plop> .bofh
08:15 < plop> where's layer-eight?
08:15 < MrFantastik> Nostalg14c: do you know whats going on? what should i read to debug this
08:15 < enix> MrFantastik: /var/log
08:16 < enix> great book
08:16 < MrFantastik> i was doing journalctl
08:18 < MrFantastik> any specfic logfile?
08:18 < enix> *
08:19 < enix> im not sure which one
08:23 < MrFantastik> the thing that i dont understand is i have an identical version of this running without test in front and it works
08:24 < MrFantastik> and if i send test-wine to the wine env it doesnt work either
08:33 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgwLRWDPLEI&feature=youtu.be
08:35 < MrFantastik> lmao
08:35 < MrFantastik> that confrence in a nutshell
09:03 < enix> ELI5 why is this happening and is this common?
09:03 < enix> seems like an unncersary grilling
09:14 < Holo> 1https://i.redd.it/241lqy2be7r01.jpg
09:14 < enix> fuck your 1
09:14 < enix> i was like
09:14 < enix> 'why you google searchering'
09:14 < Holo> https://i.redd.it/241lqy2be7r01.jpg
09:14 < Holo> :P
09:14 < enix> i like his choice of a blueish suit
09:15 < enix> it lead me to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MercyIRL
09:15 < enix> the search tho
09:37 < vorap> Morning o/
09:37 < plop> sup vorap
09:38 < plop> morning ceofreak
09:38 < ceofreak> good morning tech wizards
09:38 < ceofreak> plop <3
09:38 < vorap> Not a whole lot, at my internship, but the guy who's supposed to let me know what I'm supposed to do isn't here
09:38 < vorap> What about you plop
09:38 < vorap> Heyo ceofreak
09:38 < ceofreak> sup vorap
09:38 < plop> nothing. slow morning. calm before the storm
09:39 < ceofreak> Same
09:39 < vorap> Feel ya
09:39 < plop> got my new headphones so, now i don't hear the lusers calling my extension.
09:39 < ceofreak> I have my phone on DND
09:39 < plop> but i also don't hear them when they come to the office :P
09:40 < vorap> aah :P
09:41 < ceofreak> I wanted to sell a Lens
09:41 < ceofreak> On something like craigslist
09:41 < ceofreak> lady asks me where I bought it and when
09:41 < plop> i need to sell my planar 50 1.4
09:41 < ceofreak> answered: Amazon, early 2017
09:41 < ceofreak> Her answer: Sorry, I don't do the Amazon
09:41 < ceofreak> oO
09:41 < plop> lol
09:42 < ceofreak> I have a 35mm f2 weather resistant for my fuji
09:42 < ceofreak> which is awesome because its so small
09:42 < plop> pancake lens?
09:42 < enix> flat lense
09:42 < ceofreak> But my 16-55 sits on my camera 98% of the time so I figured I'll trade it for a zoom lens
09:42 < ceofreak> no
09:42 < ceofreak> mom
09:42 < ceofreak> https://www.amazon.de/Fujifilm-FUJINON-WR-Objektiv-schwarz/dp/B016XNJ2JM
09:42 < ceofreak> its still tiny
09:43 < ceofreak> I would keep it if I was still in Asia and do street photography, but street photography over here is boring AF
09:43 < plop> i stopped using my dslr. now i only carry my ricoh gr.
09:44 < ceofreak> + people really dont want you take pictures of them haha
09:44 < plop> true hehe
09:44 < ceofreak> Ricoh?
09:44 < ceofreak> Show
09:45 < plop> https://www.thephoblographer.com/2017/04/10/review-ricoh-gr-ii-one-of-the-best-compact-cameras-weve-ever-tested/
09:46 < plop> it has a aps-c sensor so it is more like a reflex than a p&s. also the 28mm is amazing
09:46 < ceofreak> Oh shit it's small
09:47 < plop> yeah
09:47 < enix> ...why
09:47 < plop> it is really great. but it is too wide for some people
09:47 < enix> what about lenses
09:47 < plop> one lens. 28mm equivalent. thats wide.
09:47 < ceofreak> good allrounder
09:48 < enix> eh
09:48 < ceofreak> 35mm is actually too narrow for me already
09:48 < ceofreak> on a apsc
09:48 < enix> https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2017/12/CubaCompact-6-800x530.jpg
09:48 < enix> okay that's not too bad
09:49 < plop> yeah. the ricoh is 18mm on an apsc, so 28mm in 35mmformat
09:51 < plop> https://imgur.com/a/Z6yvg  this is what the ricoh does :D took it some weeks ago
09:51 < enix> looks alright
09:53 < ceofreak> Trivium concert tonight yassssss
09:55 < plop> nicee
09:57 < ceofreak> I'm damn hungry fuck
09:57 < Jay-Ros> "Damn Hungry Fuck" is a great name
09:57 < Jay-Ros> good job!
09:57 < ceofreak> :D
09:58 < Jay-Ros> I've initiated a competition with my workmates for weight loss - race to 10kg
09:58 < Jay-Ros> ...which means I'm now eating steamed frozen vegetables and roast chicken for lunches
09:59 < ceofreak> Welcome to my world
09:59 < ceofreak> I have a competition with myself for 10 years :p
09:59 < Jay-Ros> hahaha a couple years ago I worked somewhere that catered for lunch, and shouted beers for dinner most nights
10:00 < ceofreak> I only work out to be able to eat more.
10:00 < Jay-Ros> ...so the 12 months up to last christmas I managed to lose 10kg pretty naturally, not putting an effort in, but now I've naturalised, so it's time to diet :(
10:01 < Jay-Ros> also, word of advice to everyone who considers calling Symantec to do an endpoint server and database migration to newer OS - DON'T
10:02 < Jay-Ros> I'm now manually pointing every device in the business to the new server because the guy fucked up directing me
10:03 < ceofreak> https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/despacito-youtube-video-deleted-hack-most-watched-luis-fonsi-daddy-yankee-latest-a8297386.html
10:03 < ceofreak> Good.
10:03 < ceofreak> I support this
10:10 <+MillerBOSS> I dig it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJQP7kiw5Fk Plus there is English subtitles
10:12 <+MillerBOSS> 5,024,814,078 views
10:14 < ceofreak> is that
10:14 < ceofreak> 5 billion?
10:14 < ceofreak> jesus fucking christ
10:14 <+MillerBOSS> With a B
10:14 < ceofreak> imagine the $ per month from youtube
10:15 <+MillerBOSS> Well vevo/UMG is probably getting all of it
10:15 < Jay-Ros> What increased the GDP of Puerto Rico more - the tourism brought in by the video clip, or the youtubes revenue?
10:15 <+MillerBOSS> And or Universal Music Latino
10:17 < ceofreak> rofl
10:18 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.polygon.com/2018/4/10/17220114/vevo-hack-despacito-youtube Vevo’s channel was hacked, not YouTube — there’s a difference
10:28 < javi404> testing testing
10:28 < Jay-Ros> roger roger, javi404. Reading you loud and clear. Over *click*
10:29 < ceofreak> The chicken is in the rotisserie
10:29 < javi404> Jay-Ros: thanks
10:29 < ceofreak> Confirmed. Over.
10:29 < javi404> verizon cut my service , but i guess just http service because i didn't "report a payment"
10:30 < javi404> but at least IRC works
10:30 < javi404> I guess I can vpn or use my hotspot for the next hour, but fuck it
10:30 < javi404> i need a break from reddit anyway
10:30 < Jay-Ros> Speaking of working, it's 6.30pm and I should've left an hour and a half ago. Seeya later gents
10:31 < javi404> only in the USA can you pay a bill and then have to report it
10:31 < javi404> they take your money no problem
10:31 < javi404> service? go turn your own service back on fool!!!!!!!
10:31 < javi404> fucking crooks
10:31 < javi404> all of them
10:31 < javi404> comcast, verizon, et. al.
10:53 < Hatsjoe> Morning
10:54 < ihre> Moin
10:55 < onicrom> morning
10:55 < javi404> morning
10:57 < ceofreak> Sup Hatsjoe, Ihre
11:01 < javi404> what fucking stupidity, all of verizon fios' reps are over seas but you can't find someone at 5am
11:01 < javi404> fucking scumbags
11:02 < Hatsjoe> nm ceofreak, wbu?
11:02 < ceofreak> It's hard to sit in here with weather like this
11:04 < javi404> ceofreak: I assume you are in the UK somewhere? is it nice and sunny? feeling like spring?
11:04 < ceofreak> No. Germany. 21 Degrees after 8 months of winter :D
11:05 < javi404> ceofreak: close enough, i had the opposite problem, I couldn't sleep all night, and then I was miserable yesterday because it was so nice outside and I couldn't even get a nap in.
11:05 < javi404> crashed like a baby once it got dark
11:13 < ceofreak> javi404 I know this problem :p
11:24 < enix> Yeah so my 10/3 has gone to 4/2
11:24 < enix> fingers crossed that's better once i get home
11:25 < enix> also uninstall localdb hopefully makes my night go quicker with this new install
11:25 < enix> although I think I just installed it to uninstall it.... idk
11:25 < enix> what's shakin ceofreak
11:26 < ceofreak> sup bro
11:26 < ceofreak> gonna have some lunch in a minute
11:26 < enix> on a bus working and dying inside
11:26 < enix> although I can't complain; eve + doing an audio server install remotely isn't too shabby
11:27 < enix> Hunterkll: for being an ass with that bounty i reckon you should buy me MCT
11:28 < Hatsjoe> ceofreak: same feeling bro.. Finally some good weather, I wanna ride my motorcycle and not sit in an office :/
11:28 < ceofreak> yeah
11:28 < ceofreak> but hte office bought you the motorcycle
11:28 < ceofreak> so we have to deal with it :D
11:30 < Hatsjoe> not this office, bought it 2 offices ago :P
11:30 < ceofreak> hehehe
11:35 < enix> your office bought you a motorcycle?
11:35 < enix> Sign me the fuck up
11:37 < enix> bbl bus is terminating
11:37 < enix> wow that was quick.
11:37 < enix> half hour trip home :\ i might stay back more often to get work done...
11:37 < enix> (compared to an hour or so
11:38 < enix> Hatsjoe: sql install saying reboot required but i cant click next
11:38 < enix> do i just reboot at this oint i dont get it
11:40 < ceofreak> restart what?
11:46 < ihre> enix: ... sql saying reboot ? :P
11:46 < ihre> on windows i assume ? :P
11:54 < javi404> ihre: can't click next?
11:54 < javi404> wtf
11:54 < javi404> click cancel, then reboot?
11:55 < Hatsjoe> enix: nah, what I meant was that I bought it from the money earned 2 offices ago :P
11:55 < Hatsjoe> (which I guess is what ceofreak meant as well)
11:56 < ceofreak> ^
11:56 < Hatsjoe> enix: just pull the power cord and put it back in
11:56 < Hatsjoe> problem solved
12:15 < ceofreak> Is Java the most popular language to develop android apps?
12:19 < humpaxx> Hey fellas
12:20 < ceofreak> hi humpaxx
12:21 < humpaxx> Im going something i´d never thought i would have to do again
12:21 < Hatsjoe> ceofreak: java is officially supported but often C++ or C# are also used
12:21 < ceofreak> I'm a noob
12:22 < Hatsjoe> Me too, only know this because sometimes I work together with app devs on projects
12:22 < humpaxx> Im attempting to do a XP-> Win7 in-place upgrade to see if Win7 will be more performant in hyper-v 2012r2
12:22 < humpaxx> Im not even sure if the LoB app will work in Win7 but im hoping this won´t be a waste of time
12:23 < humpaxx> "You can´t upgrade from windows XP to Windows 7, click here for more info"
12:29 < Trapdoor> it is wednesday my dudes
12:34 < Hunterkll> yes
12:34 < Hunterkll> i am doing laundry
12:34 < Hunterkll> i think
12:35 < Hunterkll> it appears to be working rihgt
12:35 < Hunterkll> never used one of these combo units before
12:35 < Hunterkll> nor have i ever had to read the manual in icelandic
12:57 < plop> washing machines have the less user friendly interface ever.
12:57 < plop> da fuq is program 5?
12:58 < Hunterkll> lol
12:58 < Hunterkll> i've never had trouble using one before
12:58 < Hunterkll> haha
12:58 < plop> once you know it
12:59 < plop> like https://imgur.com/a/vCOTl
13:00 < plop> why does it show a diamond?
13:02 < Trapdoor> better than platinum I guess
13:02 < Trapdoor> Not quite champ yet
13:04 < Trapdoor> plop, diamond on bottom right_
13:04 < Trapdoor> oh no, bottom left
13:04 < Trapdoor> delicates
13:05 < Trapdoor> http://i.imgur.com/7Bp0v4q.png
13:06 < plop> Trapdoor, it is confusing
13:06 < plop> probably a programmer did this
13:06 < plop> they make the UI for themselves not for the users
13:06 < Trapdoor> buy 1 bottle of milk, if they have eggs, bring 6
13:07 < plop> exactly. and he came with 6 bottles
13:08 < Nightcinder> http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2018/04/10/theres-a-new-malware-that-locks-your-files-unless-you-play-pubg
13:08 < Nightcinder> um
13:13 < Trapdoor> So I'm getting some fiberoptic displayport extenders, the extenders are DP 1.1a compliant, but the GPUs are 1.2... will this cause any issues?
13:14 < Trapdoor> shouldn't cause anything but a lower refresh rate?
13:15 < nohusuro> anyone here done much with character segmentation and recognition in images?
13:16 < nohusuro> https://dedi.network-junkies.com/files/nn/set/ got these images as a practice set to learn with
13:16 < Trapdoor> it's easier to pay indians to solve captchas for you
13:17 < Trapdoor> https://2captcha.com/
13:17 < nohusuro> lol
13:17 < nohusuro> that defeats the point of learning something useful
13:17 < Trapdoor> You know what the irony of that site is?
13:17 < Trapdoor> https://2captcha.com/auth/register
13:17 < Hunterkll> just lower bandwidth
13:17 < Trapdoor> Their registration page has a captcha
13:18 < Hunterkll> you can't use 1.2 resolution/refresh
13:18 < Hunterkll> just 1.1a
13:18 < Trapdoor> Alright that's not too bad Hunterkll
13:18 < Hunterkll> might work for 1.2 data if it's a 'dumb' transmitter
13:18 < Hunterkll> but i'd notn rely on that
13:18 < Trapdoor> Getting 8x https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1029264-REG/gefen_ext_dp_cp_2fo_displayport_over_fiber.html and a 24-pair multimode fiber cable lol
13:18 < FenJai_> Whats a good ethernet PCI-e card ? I need something that will go in a remote work station
13:19 < nohusuro> most things intel
13:19 < nohusuro> work out of the box
13:19 < Trapdoor> FenJai_, 10gige?
13:19 < Trapdoor> 1gige?
13:19 < FenJai_> 1gig is fine
13:19 < Trapdoor> budget?
13:19 < nohusuro> literally any $7-$15 card will do :P
13:20 < Trapdoor> I'd go with a reputable manufacturer though, like Intel
13:20 < Trapdoor> EXPI9301CT
13:20 < nohusuro> hence my original recommendation
13:21 < Trapdoor> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BMVM6S/ref=s9_dcacsd_dcoop_bw_c_x_3_w
13:21 < FenJai> Sexy. That'll do me
13:22 < FenJai> Thanks nohusuro Trapdoor
13:22 < Trapdoor> you can get em cheaper
13:23 < Trapdoor> https://www.amazon.com/Intel-1000-Desktop-Network-Adapter/dp/B01MA51KTM/ref=sr_1_21?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1523445756&sr=1-21&keywords=intel+adapter
13:52 < Kayofeld> Hellow
13:52 < nickadam> hiya
13:57 < Casteil> I don't think I've used a PCI card in more than a decade '
14:01 < Trapdoor> Casteil, PCIe
14:02 < Trapdoor> you haven't installed a graphics card in more than a decade?
14:03 < Casteil> non pcie
14:03 < plop> like agp?
14:03 < Casteil> I don't think that network adapter is pcie
14:04 < Casteil> it looked like an old fashioned PCI card
14:04 < Casteil> most network adapters nowadays would be a 1x pcie card
14:04 < Trapdoor> shit you're right lol
14:04 < Trapdoor> FenJai, don't get that one
14:04 < Casteil> https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Gigabit-Ethernet-PCI-Express-TG-3468/dp/B003CFATNI
14:04 < Trapdoor> fuck off
14:05 < Casteil> I mean.. a lot of mobos (particularly ATX) still come with plain jane PCI
14:05 < FenJai> Im getting this one : https://www.itdigital.net/intel-gigabit-pro-1000-ct-1000mbit-s-networking-card.html
14:05 < Casteil> https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-TG-3468-Gigabit-Express-Network/dp/B003CFATNI/
14:05 < Trapdoor> I like how it doesn't say what it actually is
14:05 < Casteil> and send me the $20 difference :P
14:06 < Casteil> @ FenJai
14:06 < Casteil> actually it's almost a 30 difference, and gbp :P
14:06 < Trapdoor> fuck off with your tp-link bullshit Casteil
14:06 < FenJai> Do you accept sexual favours Casteil ?
14:06 < Casteil> hmmm
14:06 < Casteil> sure, been a while since I've gotten mouth service
14:07 < mtnielsen> anyone in the know with log4net? I'm getting double logfiles every time my IIS recycles which is quite annoying
14:07 < Trapdoor> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/651277/eliminate-duplicate-logging-in-log4net
14:07 < Casteil> Trapdoor: if it works? who the fuck cares
14:07 < Trapdoor> Casteil, a cat5 cable works for gigabit
14:07 < Trapdoor> it has to retransmit every 100th package
14:07 < Casteil> under a certain length yeah
14:07 < Trapdoor> but it works
14:08 < mkillebrew> people still make 5?
14:08 < Casteil> I ran 5e in my house
14:08 < Casteil> fuck the police
14:08 < Trapdoor> why?
14:08 < Casteil> cheaper, and cat6 is unnecessary
14:09 < Trapdoor> 640K is enough for anyone
14:09 < Casteil> 5e is good enough for 2.5 gbase-t up to 100 meters.
14:10 < Casteil> I don't have a run anywhere close to 100 meters in my house
14:10 < FenJai> I ahve to use powerline like a pleb because I rent
14:10 < Trapdoor> but there is no 2.5gbase-t Casteil
14:10 < Casteil> and 5e will typically work fine for short runs of 10 gigabit
14:11 < Casteil> at least, shorter runs
14:11 < Casteil> anyway
14:11 < Casteil> I'm not too concerned about it
14:11 < Trapdoor> I'd be concerned about it like JFDkthx should be concerned about installing an OS in a couple of weks
14:12 < Trapdoor> s/e/ee
14:12 < Trapdoor> layer-eight?
14:12 < Trapdoor> s/weks/weeks
14:12 < plop> layer-eight, is on vacation.
14:12 < Trapdoor> JFDkthx, have they banned removable deviecs yet?
14:14 <+kbni> Alternity: come to vegas and get drunk with awox
14:16 < corn266> Alternatives to blancco Drive Eraser? DBAN doesn't provide reporting capabilities
14:17 < corn266> It's fine if there are no alternatives, but blancco doesn't like to advertise price
14:22 < humpaxx> Well it looks like i´ve hit a bit of a snag
14:22 < humpaxx> I need to find an ISO for the swedish version of windows vista business (32 bit), i only had 64 in my stash
14:26 < corn266> oof that sounds like succ
14:28 < humpaxx> corn266: Yeah man
14:29 < Trapdoor> sounds like you're shit out of luck humpaxx lol
14:29 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: Thats the kinda attitude only losers use
14:29 < humpaxx> My google fu is sure to help me with this
14:29 < Trapdoor> X13-49114.exe is the english version
14:29 < Trapdoor> extrapolate from that
14:29 < Trapdoor> I'm looking for it too
14:30 < Trapdoor> https://www.microsoft.com/sv-se/download/details.aspx?id=13158 here's SP1 but not vist aitself
14:31 < Trapdoor> sv_windows_vista_with_sp2_x64_dvd_x15-36373.iso
14:31 < Trapdoor> sv_windows_vista_with_sp2_x86_dvd_x15-36314.iso
14:31 < Trapdoor> you need one of those
14:32 < Trapdoor> any vista DVD should suffice though
14:33 < humpaxx> I grabbed the english version but i couldn´t do an in-place upgrade with it
14:33 < humpaxx> so need sv_windows_vista_with_sp2_x86_dvd_x15-36314.iso
14:33 < Trapdoor> yup
14:34 < Trapdoor> https://thepiratebaylive.me/?load=/torrent/6632015/All_Windows_OS_Swe 5 leechers no seeds
14:34 < Hunterkll> i have those ISOs
14:34 < Hunterkll> the all windows 2 DVD set
14:34 < Trapdoor> in swedish, Hunterkll?
14:34 < Hunterkll> fuck that
14:34 < Hunterkll> :P
14:34 < Trapdoor> lol
14:34 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:35 < Hunterkll> morning? it's afternon!
14:35 < Hunterkll> noon
14:35 < Trapdoor> 2.5 hours left
14:36 < asimon> Something something haven't had coffee yet still morning something
14:37 < linuxdood> noobiedubie, hey you around?
14:38 < asimon> Huh
14:38 < asimon> I'm trying to change my password for our MSP but can't find the option to
14:38 < asimon> there isn't even like a "My account" page or similar
14:39 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: maybe i am sol.. all the links 404
14:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> mornin fellas
14:41 < corn266> What's so mornin bout it
14:42 < tsarbomba> are you assuming corn266's gender
14:43 < SpeakerToMeat> Kill me
14:43 < SpeakerToMeat> 6.6dB downstream noise margin.
14:43 < SpeakerToMeat> And it seems it's impossible now to report phone troubles
14:43 < tsarbomba> do you enjoy living in outer bumfuck
14:44 < Trapdoor> 8/10 corn266
14:45 < SpeakerToMeat> tsarbomba: I live in the capital of my country, near the seat of government, onyl a couple of blocks from important ministeries.... but we wont be a country for long at this rate
14:46 < corn266> wtf is a non-destructive sanitization technique
14:46 < corn266> re: portable storage
14:47 < Trapdoor> corn266, dban
14:48 < Trapdoor> I've never sanitized a storage device "non-destructively"
14:48 < mkillebrew> opposed to physically destructive
14:48 < corn266> Same here, it doesn't make sense that it's a requirement we have policy in place for it
14:48 < Trapdoor> putting a drive in a vice and bending that thing until it breaks is great fun
14:49 < corn266> When I left my old job my boss tried to goad me into staying by putting a video card in a vice and snapping it
14:49 < tsarbomba> firing 45 auto rounds at the platters++
14:49 < Trapdoor> I enjoy cleaning tapes more than I do drives tho
14:49 < mkillebrew> I've had 45 bounce back from drives, go for 7.62x51
14:51 < Trapdoor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGVBjrjdgO8 this is how you destroy backup tapes
14:52 < mkillebrew> I thought the best way to invalidate tape backups was to try to restore from them
14:52 < Trapdoor> pull off the protective cover, use a magnet to stick the other end to a ventilation outlet in the ceiling, let it unravel onto the floor
14:52 < SpeakerToMeat> mkillebrew++
14:52 < Trapdoor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l25jAKkMBHQ like so
14:52 < Kayofeld> kill it with fire
14:52 < Trapdoor> then all you've got to do is feed the box of tape into a shredder
14:53 < Trapdoor> https://i.imgur.com/y6M4kGb.jpg
14:53 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: It sure must beat the time I had to dissassemble an Ascend Max TNT RAS and clean every board chip by chip after the telco where it was colo decided to make a new wall without protecting the equipment racked in the room
14:53 < mkillebrew> we've always just sent things off to iron mountain, for storage or destruction
14:54 < Trapdoor> jeez SpeakerToMeat
14:54 < Casteil> tannerite is fairly effective
14:54 < Casteil> good luck recovering data when it's scattered over a 1000 yard radius
14:54 < mkillebrew> tannerite redistributes your data over an acre
14:55 < Casteil> depends how much you use
14:55 < Hunterkll> i made a hamburger
14:55 < Hunterkll> while in iceland
14:55 < Hunterkll> does that make me special
14:55 < tsarbomba> it makes you american
14:55 < Casteil> 50 pounds and you damn well might be sending your data into orbit
14:56 < Hunterkll> tsarbomba, hamburger kit was only like $10 for 4 burgers to make
14:56 < Hunterkll> so i'm just being fucking cheap
14:56 < tsarbomba> right. american.
14:56 < Hunterkll> $10 is the cost of a goddamn beer here lol
14:56 < Kayofeld> "hamburger kit"
14:56  * tsarbomba GIANT METAL FIST OF PATRIOTISM
14:56 < Hunterkll> Kayofeld, bread and meat in package
14:57 < Hunterkll> so all you need is add cheese or not add cheese
14:57 < Trapdoor> Hunterkll, $10 in store or bar?
14:57 < Hunterkll> bar, store's a little better
14:57 < Trapdoor> Yup, about the same here
14:57 < Hunterkll> i haven't seen a non-duty free liquor store yet
14:57 < Hunterkll> so i am scared of those prices
14:57 < enix> Hunterkll: you see what i said earlier?
14:57 < Hunterkll> no
14:57 < Hunterkll> bcuz ur a fag
14:57 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: One of these, fulyl populated, https://skylots.org/images/images/cb/05cb15890f2934c9531f2d6840e4ab49.jpg
14:57 < enix> Hunterkll: seeing as you put 1bill on my head i think you should buy me MCT
14:57 < Hunterkll> nope
14:57 < Trapdoor> jesus christ SpeakerToMeat fuck that
14:57 < Kayofeld> Hunterkll: hmmm, except if it's good quality, might as well buy the ingredients separatly
14:57 < Trapdoor> I'd just set it on fire
14:58 < Hunterkll> Kayofeld, i mean, it was fresh, not frozen meat in the package too so
14:58 < Hunterkll> and it's from local icelandic cow
14:58 < Hunterkll> lol
14:58 < Kayofeld> oh, then it's nice :D
14:58 < Kayofeld> still 20 days to go on this undocumented 10year-old c++ code project
14:59 < Kayofeld> I can't find the motivation to work anymore
14:59 < Hunterkll> tsarbomba, and tonight i have microwavable chicago pizza for dinner!
14:59 < Hunterkll> wooo
14:59 < mkillebrew> on the wat
14:59 < tsarbomba> now that's just wrong
14:59 < Kayofeld> Hunterkll: wtf do people eat in Iceland ?
14:59 < Hunterkll> fish
14:59 < enix> Kayofeld: be quicker to rewrite it wouldnt it
14:59 < tsarbomba> frozen fish
14:59 < mkillebrew> magma
14:59 < Hunterkll> so much goddamn fish the money has fish on it
15:00 < Hunterkll> Kayofeld, fish money - https://i.imgur.com/t122Cbb.jpg
15:01 < Hunterkll> i paid for sushi yesterday with fish money
15:01 < Hunterkll> lol
15:01 < Kayofeld> enix: meh, it's more the problem of working on a program people are paid 500e/day to configure, without training on how to use the solution
15:01 < Kayofeld> and coding obscure features on it
15:02 < Kayofeld> basically: i think my code works, but have no idea on how to test it, and every expert in the company are too busy to explain
15:02 < Kayofeld> :D
15:02 < Hunterkll> lol
15:03 < Kayofeld> Hunterkll: do you pay with fishes ? Are you paid in fish ?
15:03 < tsarbomba> paid? in a socialist country?
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> i'm bored :(
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> fixed all my tickets
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> can't think of any project I can do D:
15:05 < SpeakerToMeat> tsarbomba: Wait, where are you?
15:05 < tsarbomba> in the land of the free and the home of the cash
15:05 < Kayofeld> Wannabejrsysadm: kernel programming is always fun from what i hear
15:06 < tsarbomba> have you gotten coffee for everyone in your office with actual work to do?
15:07 < Kayofeld> I love those countries where you're not properly medically treated when you're a child and your parents are not rich or have a good insurance :3
15:07 < Kayofeld> or don't have*
15:07 < tsarbomba> you only love countries with rich parents? no wonder your government is failing
15:07 < tsarbomba> coastal elites. pfft.;
15:08 < Kayofeld> lel
15:08 < tsarbomba> i was reading about how april is 'distracted driving awareness month' here but i didn't finish the article because i nearly ran into the car in front of me slowing down
15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> tsarbomba: xDD
15:09 < Kayofeld> tsarbomba: idiot drivers slowing down unexpectedly
15:09 < tsarbomba> exactly
15:09 < Kayofeld> They should read that article imho
15:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> tsarbomba: I had an ex-girlfriend whos mom who would read stuff while driving... like lean her left elbow on the rest and tilt her head trying to read it
15:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> I didn't ride with her after we nearly hit a guardrail from an off ramp
15:10 < SpeakerToMeat> tsarbomba: Wait until you live in a "real" socialism like we do here
15:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> SpeakerToMeat: uh oh
15:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> SpeakerToMeat: where you from?
15:11 < SpeakerToMeat> McDonaldsWiFi: .ve
15:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm loving all these utensil memes from UK lol
15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> better not have a butter knife on you lol
15:12 < Trapdoor> wtf is a .ve SpeakerToMeat_
15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> have to be 18 to buy plastic knives lmfao
15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> Trapdoor: ++
15:12 < Trapdoor> venezuela
15:12 < Trapdoor> rip
15:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh shit
15:12 < tsarbomba> oh so you're just going to be killed by maduro
15:13 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: Bitch a sysadmin should know all of ISO 3166-1 by heart
15:13 < Trapdoor> SpeakerToMeat, I know the common ones
15:13 < Trapdoor> like .tk
15:13 < SpeakerToMeat> feck felda's alive
15:13 < Kayofeld> You live in one of these african trumpets ?
15:13 < Kayofeld> (sorry)
15:13 < SpeakerToMeat> Kayofeld: I still want one :(
15:14 < Trapdoor> SpeakerToMeat, considering how fucked up your country is I didn't know you even had a tld
15:14 < tsarbomba> felda's too busy heavy breathing on discord
15:14 < Trapdoor> does anyone even do anything in venezula?
15:14 < felda> lmao
15:15 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: Dude, the tld server... as in singular server... is a single outdated centos machine that a friend tried to have the institution patch, upgrade and load balance/etc for years until it was "hacked"
15:15 < tsarbomba> Young Moustache has control of a lot of oil
15:15 < tsarbomba> how do you load balance one server
15:15 < abakedapplepie> fucking windows
15:15 < Trapdoor> lol
15:15 < abakedapplepie> the one day i left a bunch of stuff open on my workstation so i could pick up where i left off today
15:15 < abakedapplepie> and my machine rebooted
15:15 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck
15:15 < Trapdoor> tsarbomba, copy the dns folder
15:15 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: Now, after they recovered the data in the server, one year later, they still haven't been able to enable automatical change requests again and all change requests to domains for the country are handled by hand.
15:16 < SpeakerToMeat> Trapdoor: It took them almost two months after restoring the server to enable whois again...
15:16 < tsarbomba> oppositionparty.ve
15:16 < Kayofeld> Compared to the US, I think most of the EU is socialist
15:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> Kayofeld: uhh the western EU is pretty much mostly socialist now
15:16 < SpeakerToMeat> Kayofeld: Ask a run of the mill American and they'll say Europe is a communist country
15:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> seriously, people in the UK have to be 18 to buy plastic utinsels lol
15:17 < tsarbomba> hungary is about as socialist as 1930s italy
15:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> cmon man
15:17 < Trapdoor> * Topic for #reddit-sysadmin is: Home of r/sysadmin | No Trolling, No Politics
15:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> rekt
15:17 < tsarbomba> socialism isn't "politics", it's economics
15:17 < PEG> how can I regex all the IP's from a zone file to sort and show any "missing" IP's to be used.
15:17 < Trapdoor> tsarbomba, let me elaborate
15:18 < Trapdoor> socialism is the right thing
15:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> PEG Windows?
15:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> Trapdoor: oh no
15:18 < PEG> McDonaldsWiFiYes
15:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> pol alert
15:18 < Trapdoor> McDonaldsWiFi, no you don't understand
15:18  * tsarbomba whips mcdonaldswifi down a quarry
15:18 < Trapdoor> socialism isn't "politics", it's economics
15:18 < PEG> McDonaldsWiFi: yes windows.
15:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> i'd love to tell you in a PM how its a horrible stupid thing but this really isn't the place lol
15:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> PEG: hmmmmmmmm
15:19 < Trapdoor> oh please do
15:19 < Kayofeld> McDonaldsWiFi: what is a terrible idea ?
15:19 < tsarbomba> i'm convinced somewhere north of 90% of americans couldn't identify socialism even if presented with an ideal case scenario
15:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> PEG how did you export it?
15:19 < SpeakerToMeat> Feck
15:19 < tsarbomba> did peg name self after the steely dan song
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> PEG: also this helps me with regex because I'm retarded https://regex101.com/
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> Trapdoor: socialism is
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> and now I'm done before I get in trouble
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
15:20 < Trapdoor> The world we're living in is the result of thousands of years of fucking each other over and we've just now developed a sense of moral
15:20 < tsarbomba> yeah i wouldn't want to have to defend that statement either
15:20 < SpeakerToMeat> Damn and I was just calling the popo, but I think this won't end here, sadly :(
15:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> Ill defend it in a pm real talk
15:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> but this isn't the place for pol my dudes
15:21 < Trapdoor> I don't want to hear it because you're obviously wrong
15:21 < tsarbomba> again. economics != politics
15:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh stfu
15:21 < tsarbomba> the more you make that mistake, the more i'm convinced you wouldn't know the difference between socialism and herpes
15:21 < Trapdoor> apples and dump trucks tsarbomba
15:22 < tsarbomba> big monster dump trucks with 78" wheels!
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> we both know its technically econ but in reality it requires a state
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> and a state requires politics
15:22 < tsarbomba> actually no it doesn't
15:22 < tsarbomba> socialism is literally nothing more than ownership of the means of production by workers
15:22 < tsarbomba> there is no assumption of or requirement for a government
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm not getting bant here, if you want to talk about it you can pm me
15:23 < Trapdoor> I'd rather have ownership by a small subgroup of elites who inherit their wealth and control from predecessors by chance
15:23 < tsarbomba> i suspect you're conflating socialism and communism, the latter of which has a political component
15:23 < tsarbomba> trapdoor, ah, yes, the koch/soros/mercer model
15:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> you dont want to talk in pms because you want to wave your dick around and look smart
15:23 < tsarbomba> i don't want to talk in PMs because it seems you're making some basic middle school level errors in assumption about what socialism is
15:24 < tsarbomba> and starting off with a drastic misunderstanding of the subject matter is never a good thing
15:24 < Kayofeld> tsarbomba: i love you
15:24 < Trapdoor> we're just teasing you McDonaldsWiFi it's ok
15:24 < tsarbomba> speaking of drastic misunderstanding, has anybody fired the first "PR posturing" shot after the zuckerberg grilling last night?
15:25 < Trapdoor> everyone's entitled to their opinions
15:25 < tsarbomba> either one of zuck's people or one of the pols who "interviewed" him
15:25 < Trapdoor> even though they're wrong
15:25 < Kayofeld> btw: on the LTO backups: doing this looks fun to unroll them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF-0qPxJ_fw
15:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
15:25 < tsarbomba> there were no crazy tweets trending this morning which hopefully means the REEEEEEE about facebook will soon come to an end
15:25 < tsarbomba> and it can die in relative peace
15:26 < Kayofeld> tsarbomba: better die in horrible pain imo
15:26 < tsarbomba> i just hope it goes away like any other cancer
15:26 < Kayofeld> tsarbomba: saldy cancers tend to also kill the affected people
15:27 < tsarbomba> ugh why does the radio keep playing that kid's "yodeling" song
15:27 < Kayofeld> tsarbomba: why a kid yodeling? Shouldn't they put some Franzl Lang or Takeo Ischi ?
15:27 < Kayofeld> +instead
15:28 < tsarbomba> ahahahaha a trap remix
15:28 < tsarbomba> kayofield it's some old song that a kid covered on youtube and itw ent 'viral'
15:28 < tsarbomba> i'm looking for the original upload to see how many views it has
15:30 < Kayofeld> yeah, currently researching while compiling
15:30 < tsarbomba> one version has 10 million views and one has just over 5. seems low.
15:30 < tsarbomba> the facebook bots are probably driving up numbers
15:30 < Kayofeld> https://youtu.be/bOZT-UpRA2Y
15:31 < tsarbomba> the fragmentation of these 'viral' videos makes me think there's no such thing as a real viral video any more
15:32 < Nightcinder> i feel bad
15:32 < Nightcinder> i just converted a coworker away from her sit/stand 'converter'
15:32 < Kayofeld> 'member Star Wars Kid ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU
15:33 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Nightcinder: Not allowed?
15:34 < arlion> I love when I type up a question which jogs something and I am able to figure it out myself.
15:34 < Kayofeld> arlion: buy yourself a plastic duck
15:34 < tsarbomba> get psyched, guys. the alan parsons live project is touring again.
15:34 < arlion> Kayofeld: quack
15:35 < Kayofeld> arlion: tell him your problems, he wont answer (if he does, you should see a specialist), but can help you understand by formulating the questions
15:35 < arlion> What type of specalist deals with talking ducks?
15:35 < Nightcinder> SysAdminGoneCraZ: hm?
15:35 < arlion> Maybe the animal exterminator?
15:35 < Nightcinder> she had one of those stupid varidesks
15:35 < Nightcinder> which means you couldn't use a clamp mount for a monitor
15:36 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Nightcinder: Oooh.
15:36 < Kayofeld> arlion: someone specialized in anatidaephobia.
15:36 < Nightcinder> no gas spring monitor mounts
15:36 < Nightcinder> i had her sit at the desk i had just set up for a new hire
15:36 < Kayofeld> arlion: you should document yourself on anatidaephobia
15:36 < Nightcinder> with 2 P24 dells and a vivo monitor mount
15:36 < arlion> Kayofeld: that is such a crazy and specific phobia.
15:37 < hxcsp> my hr lady has one of those things
15:37 < humpaxx> tsarbomba: didn´t he die recently?
15:37 < Kayofeld> hxcsp: anatidaephobia ? sad for her
15:37 < Kayofeld> :)
15:37 < hxcsp> varidesk
15:37 < hxcsp> :|
15:37 < Kayofeld> yeah, just wanted to write the word once more, don't have many occasions to do so
15:38 < hxcsp> lol
15:38 < meowschwitz> motherfucker
15:38 < tsarbomba> nah, alan parsons is alive
15:38 < meowschwitz> i just got 3 ibm bladecenters
15:38 < Kayofeld> meowschwitz: yeah ?
15:38 < tsarbomba> and he is your eye in the sky
15:38 < meowschwitz> each of them bitches weighs 120kg
15:38 < meowschwitz> barely fits the goddamn elevator
15:38 < jaelae> isnt it now called ibm flex?
15:38 < jaelae> or is that just newer ones
15:38 < meowschwitz> i dunno about 'now' the shit i got is from like 10 years ago
15:39 < Kayofeld> meowschwitz: how much pounds is 120Kg ?
15:39 < Kayofeld> :D
15:39 < hxcsp> 270lbs
15:39 < hxcsp> give or take
15:39 < Kayofeld> just found the joke funny
15:39 < jaelae> ah
15:39 < Kayofeld> but thanks hxcsp
15:39 < hxcsp> :D
15:41 < jaelae> i usually install m1000e they are pretty damn heavy
15:41 < jaelae> but thankfully im done with that
15:41 < jaelae> that and UCS chassis at least are rather easy to install at least
15:41 < ceofreak> Ihreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
15:42 < jaelae> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uzvBaOkz/Lab_M1000e.JPG
15:42 < meowschwitz> i cant even take this piece of shit home for the lab
15:42 < jaelae> got a shipment with 40 of those
15:42 < meowschwitz> because htf am i going to ship 120kg of this shit
15:43 < Wannabejrsysadm> When is it optimal to be using roaming user profiles ?
15:43 < meowschwitz> Wannabejrsysadm: honestly, never
15:43 < Wannabejrsysadm> ok
15:43 < meowschwitz> Wannabejrsysadm: if you can get away with folder redirection do that
15:44 < Wannabejrsysadm> after reading wiki about user profiles
15:44 < Wannabejrsysadm> it looks slow
15:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> hey where have you been? Wannabejrsysadm
15:44 < Wannabejrsysadm> and painfull
15:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> Wannabejrsysadm: will the roaming be over WAN/VPN?
15:44 < ceofreak> If I want to access a fileshare on a printer from ubuntu cmdline, what format do I need to enter
15:44 < Wannabejrsysadm> have been on here alot more often lately McDonaldsWiFi
15:44 < ceofreak> \\ip\sharename doesnt do it
15:44 < ceofreak> i forget
15:44 < meowschwitz> if you DO use roaming profiles, then at least exclude crap like browser caches and mail spools
15:44 < Wannabejrsysadm> McDonaldsWiFi mostly LAN
15:44 < Trapdoor> downloads folder
15:44 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: //foo/
15:44 < mrWhiteMD> jaelae: how storage is connected to Blades ?
15:44 < ceofreak> yeah
15:44 < ceofreak> tried
15:45 < ceofreak> /ip/share
15:45 < ceofreak> .//
15:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> Wannabejrsysadm: its not TOO bad if its in house
15:45 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: my fstab: //freenas2/it /home/emestee/mnt/it cifs uid=emestee,gid=emestee,iocharset=utf8,credentials=/home/emestee/.samba-unpriv,sec=ntlm,dir_mode=0777,file_mode=0777,nounix
15:45 < FenJai_> Please explain meowschwitz. Im trying to implement a solution where users can seamlessly move from desktop to laptop when going off site
15:45 < jaelae> mrWhiteMD:  the chassis connect to my nexus top of rack switches which then tie into my brocade fabric for san storage
15:45 < tsarbomba> this one should be right up millerboss's alley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwFVowEugQ
15:45 < vader-> Any of you guys work with Netscaler/Citrix XenApp?
15:45 < meowschwitz> FenJai_: same OS version?
15:46 < FenJai_> Yup. Windows 7 meowschwitz
15:46 < meowschwitz> FenJai_: folder redirection + offline sync will work
15:46 < ceofreak> meowschwitz: for filename in os.listdir('//192.168.100.23/root/scan'):
15:46 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: oh no no no
15:46 < ceofreak> I want to get this to work
15:46 < ceofreak> hahahaa
15:46 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: those are not filesystem level abstractions
15:46 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: mount it first
15:47 < ceofreak> Aight
15:47 < ceofreak> :)
15:47 < FenJai_> Will that work without AD meowschwitz ?
15:47 < mrWhiteMD> jaelae: what you are using for SAN ?
15:48 < jaelae> so i mean that picture was my old job and it was dell compellent, EMC VNX 5600, EMC VNX 5200, EMC VMAX 10k and EMC VMAX 100K as well as EMC VPLEX
15:48 < jaelae> are my current job its UCS Blades but all connecting to PureStorage M70
15:49 < mrWhiteMD> Damn, this must be expensive
15:50 < meowschwitz> FenJai: no.
15:50 < abakedapplepie> this weather is fucking stupid
15:50 < abakedapplepie> its snowing with a high of 57
15:50 < abakedapplepie> my sinuses are destroyed and my head feels like a balloon
15:50 < abakedapplepie> thes god damn pressure changes
15:51 <+DomLS3> abakedapplepie: cry maor
15:51 <+DomLS3> s/ao/oa
15:51 < abakedapplepie> rip
15:52 < abakedapplepie> oh and we have had 4 people cll in
15:52 < abakedapplepie> we have 10? employees
15:52 < am0nrahx> noice
15:52 < meowschwitz> you should see how the weather forecasts here work
15:52 < am0nrahx> get rekt
15:52 < vinrock> https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1523452113411.webm
15:52 < vinrock> :)
15:52 < vinrock> :(
15:52 < am0nrahx> I aint clickin that
15:52 < vinrock> scrub
15:52 < am0nrahx> nope.jpg
15:53 < am0nrahx> thats a risky click
15:53 < meowschwitz> relax, its just goatse
15:53 < vinrock> nah
15:53 < am0nrahx> oh, why didnt you say so
15:53 < vinrock> tubgirlgoatseparty.webm
15:53 < am0nrahx> ?This site can’t be reached"
15:54 < ceofreak> cool. thanks meowschwitz, got it
15:54 < meowschwitz> http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/6875/6875358cv1a.jpg
15:55 < vinrock> https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/d9f86180-029d-4c83-9dcf-e8f60dfb56a4/svn/husky-contractor-bags-hk42wc050b-64_1000.jpg
15:55 < Trapdoor> go back 100 years and ask if someone has a spare mouse
15:56 < ceofreak> I still miss my Razor Boomslang 20000
15:56 < ceofreak> -0
15:57 < abakedapplepie> i miss my mx518
15:57 < abakedapplepie> its at home, sitting all alone
15:57 < am0nrahx> I still rock an MX518
15:57 < Casteil> vinrock: god damn there are so many gems coming out of the zuckerberg testimony
15:57 < Trapdoor> mmm MX518, switched to a G7 after that
15:57 < abakedapplepie> me too
15:57 < am0nrahx> I use it on my work rig
15:57 < abakedapplepie> :)
15:57 < ceofreak> best mouse ever made
15:57 < hxcsp> http://www.dansdata.com/boomslang.htm
15:58 < ceofreak> after the razer
15:58 < Casteil> https://clips.twitch.tv/GorgeousFunnyNeanderthalBIRB < Another good one
15:58 < Trapdoor> Had a CM Storm Centinel for a couple of years but it was pretty shit
15:58 < abakedapplepie> hoooly shit
15:58 < abakedapplepie> dans data
15:58 < abakedapplepie> wow
15:58 < abakedapplepie> bringin me back
15:58 < Trapdoor> I'm rocking a pair of Thermaltake Level-10M now, both at work and at home
15:58 < vinrock> lol casteil i was so souped to have witnessed that live
15:58 < tsarbomba> https://twitter.com/ManInTheHoody/status/983744353305636864
15:59 < Trapdoor> http://www.ttesports.com/Mice/69/LEVEL_10_M_Blazing_Red/productPage.htm?a=a&g=ftr aw yiss
15:59 < Casteil> zuckerberg is an interesting reminder that, despite being as weird as we may be, we're still not as weird as zuckerberg
15:59 < tsarbomba> s/weird/rich
15:59 < Casteil> that too
16:00 < Casteil> Trapdoor: dear lord thermaltake makes so much garbage
16:00 < meowschwitz> zuckerberg isn't weird he just tries too hard to give a fuck
16:00 < Casteil> that looks like some madcatz grade trash
16:00 < Trapdoor> it's a solid mouse Casteil, designed by bmw designworks
16:00 < Casteil> meowschwitz: Zuckerberg is **extremely** weird
16:00 < Casteil> he's incredibly socially awkward and he exhibits a lot of sociopathic traits
16:00 < Trapdoor> also thankfully design is subjective
16:01 < ceofreak> Zuckerschwitz
16:01 < Casteil> >is the first foray into gaming peripherals formed through the design collaboration by Thermaltake Group and BMW Group DesignworksUSA
16:02 < Casteil> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2-JLEMoyIj0/hqdefault.jpg
16:02 < vinrock> that thermaltake bmw mouse looked soooo dope
16:02 < ihre> Trapdoor: it looks like a butterfly knife for kids :x
16:02 < vinrock> then it came out and it was garbage
16:02 < ihre> the design that is
16:02 < Trapdoor> the level-10 case is trash though
16:02 < Casteil> just what mice need
16:02 < Casteil> tons of hard to clean places for shit to collect
16:02 < vinrock> oh hey yeah thats it
16:02 < vinrock> the level 10 mouse
16:03 < Nightcinder> reppin mech keyboards @ work https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fK88HYYU/image.png
16:03 < Trapdoor> vinrock, it looks exactly like it was designed?
16:03 < vinrock> yeah but it feels janky af
16:03 < vinrock> prototypes looked super solid
16:03 < vinrock> like solid billet aluminum
16:03 < Trapdoor> it's anything but janky
16:04 < Nightcinder> ur janky
16:04 < Casteil> I guess the thing I have against thermaltake is that their main market is gamers, not that there's anything wrong with that... it just means that their shit is generally too plasticy/gaudy for my tastes
16:05 < Trapdoor> I get that Casteil, there's hardly any plastic on it though
16:05 < vinrock> thermaltake was the hot shit in the early 00's when they came out with those orb hsf's
16:05 < vinrock> (that were copied from an old Agilent design)
16:05 < Casteil> and their PC case 'engineers' (if you can call them that) design things in a way that are not remotely builder-friendly
16:05 < Trapdoor> it's probably the only mouse where I haven't had a case of sweaty palms after extended gaming sessions
16:05 < Trapdoor> oh god Casteil fuck their case
16:06 < vinrock> silverstone cases are super nice
16:06 < Trapdoor> I've kept my case for 10+ years by now I think
16:06 < Trapdoor> Coolermaster Stacker 830
16:07 < Casteil> http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Chassis/Open_Frame_/Core/C_00003222/Core_P3_Tempered_Glass_Snow_Edition/design.htm < Oh look, lets design a case completely open to air
16:07 < Casteil> nevermind the fact that you have to have some goofy straps that may or may not fit whichever PSU you choose to use
16:07 < Nightcinder> best friends wife had that case
16:07 < Nightcinder> i hated it
16:07 < Trapdoor> for some reason that's getting popular now, open cases and RGB
16:07 < Trapdoor> I can't stand RGB
16:07 < Casteil> no noise insulation, no dust filtration... so you basically get to stare at noisy, dust covered components
16:08 < Nightcinder> my case is a corsair 460x
16:08 < Nightcinder> that i bought for $10
16:08 < Trapdoor> remember when transparent acrylic cases were a thing? I do
16:08 < Casteil> not to mention the need for some ridiculous PCIE risers because they had to be super trendy and mount the PCI slots parallel to the motherboard
16:09 < vinrock> i've got a Silverstone TJ-09 and a Lian Li PC-A76
16:09 < Casteil> you want a case designed smartly? for builders, BY builders? Fractal Design.
16:09 < vinrock> the silverstone will be 10 yrs old next year
16:09 < Trapdoor> http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200811/cmstack830se_p.jpg had this for years and years
16:09 < Trapdoor> ditto Casteil, fractal design make sweet cases
16:09 < Trapdoor> Nice vinrock I think my CM Stacker is going on 12 years now
16:09 < Trapdoor> old enough to have sex in jemen
16:10 < vinrock> I need to buy one of these fractal design cases, been hearing a lot about them
16:10 < Trapdoor> Problem with my case is it was made before cable management was a thing
16:10 < Trapdoor> No holes in the mobo tray for cables
16:11 < vinrock> i kinda miss that actually
16:11 < vinrock> havint to work on making everything nice n zip tied
16:11 < vinrock> instead of just tucking them behind the mobo
16:11 < Trapdoor> there's nowhere to tuck cables in that case
16:11 < abakedapplepie> i had that one case that everyone had
16:11 < abakedapplepie> cant think of the name now
16:12 < vinrock> "the case"
16:12 < Trapdoor> thermaltake armor
16:12 < vinrock> idk if they still are but dell cases were friggin awesome
16:12 < hxcsp> no
16:12 < Trapdoor> http://www.thermaltake.com/db/pictures/modules/PDT/PDT060207001/200852111183564783.jpg you had one of these abakedapplepie
16:12 < vinrock> well, the precision and server towers
16:12 < PEG> is there a powercli script that can clone a VM's hardware but make new HDD's for a fresh install? basicly only copy the hardware settings.
16:12 < vinrock> not the cheapos
16:13 < abakedapplepie> Trapdoor god no
16:13 < abakedapplepie> im talking 2002-2004
16:13 < Trapdoor> http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/01/bit-tech-case-mod-index/chieftec_cs601-1280x1024.jpg then it was this
16:13 < vinrock> same company that makes the xbox case/controllers makes the dell cases
16:13 < Trapdoor> you had a chieftec case
16:13 < abakedapplepie> ithad the plastic veins on the front for airflow
16:13 < abakedapplepie> thats the one
16:13 < Trapdoor> hahahaha
16:13 < vinrock> that chieftec is a design a few different mfg's copied
16:13 < abakedapplepie> https://www.amazon.com/Chieftec-Dragon-Series-DX-01BD-U-OP-Mid-Tower/dp/B001E55W76
16:13 < vinrock> one of the best designs from that era
16:13 < ceofreak> basic python question someone?
16:13 < abakedapplepie> not exactly that one but yeah
16:13 < asimon> ceofreak: shoot
16:14 < ceofreak> 1sec
16:15 < ceofreak> asimon:https://dpaste.de/tRmS
16:15 < ceofreak> If I run the script using the print(filename) option it lists all the pdf files correctly
16:15 < arlion> os.unlink isn't properly tabbed under the if statement
16:15 < arlion> also, is there symbolic links in Windows OS?
16:16 < ceofreak> if I want to run os.unlink(filname) to delete them, i get: OSError: Errno 2 no such file or directory blablabla.pdf
16:16 < ceofreak> I run the script on ubuntu
16:16 < hxcsp> arlion: its called a shortcut
16:16 < arlion> ah
16:16 < asimon> Agree with arlion, put an extra tab to put the os.unlink in the if statement
16:16 < arlion> oh, the script is on ubuntu.
16:16 < arlion> I would do a check to ensure the filename is actually a symbolic link
16:17 < hxcsp> arlion: also mklink in command prompt
16:17 < ceofreak> moving it didnt help
16:17 < vinrock> ceofreak trim the filename before delete
16:17 < vinrock> disclaimer: i dont know python
16:17 < vinrock> it might be grabbing a null or some shit tho
16:17 < ceofreak> Traceback (most recent call last):
16:17 < ceofreak>   File "deletescan.py", line 6, in <module>
16:17 < ceofreak>     os.unlink(filename)
16:17 < ceofreak> OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'Untitled_06042018_155626.pdf'
16:17 < ceofreak> thats the exact error
16:17 < meowschwitz> you're still trying to read //dirs from python?
16:17 < YetiFiasco> anyone know the best prebuilt PC that will take full size PCI-E cards?
16:18 < asimon> I think that function returns an OSError if its trying to remove a directory
16:18 < YetiFiasco> Everything I can see is fucking small form factor
16:18 < ceofreak> meoschwitz: I mounted this dir, script is returning the files with the print(filename) option
16:18 < abakedapplepie> hxcsp: ntfs has symlinks sorta but i would never use them
16:18 < arlion> ceofreak: try os.remove()
16:19 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: that doesnt mean os.unlink will understand it, and in any case //path convention is not OS level
16:19 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: use the mount point, not the network path
16:19 < ceofreak> how
16:19 < meowschwitz> you mount //foo/bar to /mnt/bar or something right?
16:20 < meowschwitz> use /mnt/bar
16:20 < ceofreak> i do
16:20 < ceofreak> i mounted it to /media/windowsshares/bla
16:21 < arlion> do the following command
16:21 < asimon> ceofreak: As I google around I'm gaining confidence that you're trying to unlink a directory which that function doesn't like
16:21 < arlion> mount | grep media
16:21 < vinrock> ceofreak just for shits n giggles try adding filename.strip() before it tried to delete
16:21 < asimon> listdir will return everything in that folder
16:21 < arlion> ceofreak: and put the output here
16:21 < asimon> including other directories
16:21 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: 39 minutes
16:21 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: then why do you have double slashes in your source
16:21 < Trapdoor> yeah boiiiiiii
16:21 < arlion> vinrock: oh nice, get rid of the new lines at the end.
16:22 < arlion> vinrock: classic trip up in python
16:22 < vinrock> thats kinda what im thinking the problem is
16:22 < meowschwitz> ceofreak: also I just realized, youre trying to os.unlink() a relative path
16:23 < ceofreak> arlion: https://pastebin.com/CqfPPsD8
16:23 < meowschwitz> os.listdir() doesnt return the directory components, just path names
16:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> Guys we are using Veeam for all our backups
16:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> how do I test these backups ?
16:23 < ceofreak> ok
16:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> like in case disaster happens
16:23 < Hunterkll> the same way you test any backup
16:23 < Hunterkll> by doing a restore
16:23 < ceofreak> lol
16:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> can I test by restorting the file server for example
16:23 < Hunterkll> that's the only way to test backups IMO
16:23 < ceofreak> Yes, restore the whole fileserver
16:23 < Hunterkll> any backup software can show green checkmarks all day long
16:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> but can I restore it while not impacting my current environment ?
16:23 < ceofreak> dont
16:24 < Hunterkll> the only good backup is a restorable backup
16:24 < Hunterkll> lol
16:24 < grumplestiltzki> YetiFiasco: I remember ibuypower.com being decent, but that was 10ish years ago (?).  you just pick whatever parts you want and they assemble.  No idea how they are now though.
16:24 < Wannabejrsysadm> why not ? ceofreak
16:24 < Casteil> fuck
16:24 < Casteil> I need to stop committing to waiting around for someone
16:24 <+giant_it_burrit> ?
16:24 < vinrock> BREAKING NEWS: https://twitter.com/shawnwasabi/status/706742626154745856
16:24 < Casteil> should've just offered to go downtown for this 1 on 1 on my own schedule
16:25 < ceofreak> I think I just simplify everything by using a simple fucking bash script to delete that folder
16:25 < grumplestiltzki> Wannabejrsysadm: test by restoring to a different location, so you don't interrupt production - and *ALSO* so if there is a problem with the backup, you aren't hosing prod data
16:25 < YetiFiasco> Casteil: you fool!
16:25 < YetiFiasco> now they'll expect it every time
16:25 < Wannabejrsysadm> grumplestiltzki I wish we HAD a diffrent location ? :/
16:25 < Wannabejrsysadm> 3 hosts
16:25 < Casteil> giant_it_burrit: got roped into a "hey X will probably stop by sometime this afternoon, can you give him a 101 on the software?"
16:25 < Wannabejrsysadm> one Virtual environment
16:26 < Casteil> type deal
16:26 < Casteil> my luck he won't show up until 4 or some crap
16:26 < grumplestiltzki> Wannabejrsysadm: is it backups for a host?
16:26 < Wannabejrsysadm> no VM backups grumplestiltzki
16:27 < Wannabejrsysadm> but if i restore to another VM location won't it interfere (since it restores with same name / same ip ? )
16:27 < grumplestiltzki> well, not machine name and IP, but the VM object
16:27 <+giant_it_burrit> Casteil: what time are you to leave
16:27 < grumplestiltzki> youre talking whole VM backups, not file level, right?
16:27 < Casteil> giant_it_burrit: I typically work straight through 8a-4p
16:28 < Wannabejrsysadm> ye grumplestiltzki whole VM
16:28 < Casteil> though I usually start around 7:30-7:50 and end up working through lunch and to 5 and later anyway >.>
16:28 <+giant_it_burrit> Casteil: are those the hours you are sete to be there
16:28 <+giant_it_burrit> ?
16:29 < Casteil> uh, I'm on a "I get it done" kind of schedule haha
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> so get it done before 4
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> and duck out
16:29 < Casteil> lulz
16:29 < ceofreak> brb
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> srsiously
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> if not given a time
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> dont wait
16:30 < asimon> Any recommendations on how to view public functions in a DLL file? I've tried all the tools I can find and none of them are returning expected results for a known file
16:30 < asimon> Dependency Walker (old and new), DLL Export Viewer
16:30 < asimon> I can't figure out how to do Visual Studio Dumpbin
16:30 < grumplestiltzki> Wannabejrsysadm: yeah, that's a challenge. We never got past that and just did file level backups (which you can verify by restoring to any other VM or whatever, then wiping)
16:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> well yeah i want to test entire VM ;)
16:31 < grumplestiltzki> Wannabejrsysadm: I know its a big expense, but having a second host cluster does have some value
16:31 <+giant_it_burrit> Casteil: who is this person
16:32 < asimon> Wumpbin seems to give me something in the raw data section but it's a lot to parse (and also a lot more info than I was anticipating)
16:32 < tsarbomba> wow. there's apparently a subset of wingnut militia types in this country who refer to themselves as "domestic war veterans". they never served in our military, they just consider living in the united states to be "warfare" because MUH WHITE SUPREMACISM ISN'T POPULAR
16:33 < Casteil> giant_it_burrit: he's a new manager mentor
16:33 < tsarbomba> https://twitter.com/midnightplatoon
16:33 < grumplestiltzki> We were going to get a second blade enclosure to remove the backplane as a single point of failure, and getting that diversity to be able to test backups, etc - but then, even though that was the approved plan, we never got to it before $MEGACORPOVERLORD purchased the company
16:34 <+giant_it_burrit> Casteil: meaning?
16:36 < grumplestiltzki> tsarbomba: that stuff looks like anti-drug dealer stuff.  Where is the race component?
16:37 < grumplestiltzki> I mean it describes borderline 'vigilantism'
16:37 < grumplestiltzki> vaguely
16:37 < grumplestiltzki> or a bunch of backstory to sell shirts
16:38 < Casteil> basically training managers, and he's new so the company owner wants him to have a good grasp on our in-house sales/service software from an organizational perspective
16:38 <+giant_it_burrit> so leave when you supposed to
16:39 < Casteil> eh I just told my boss to get him to commit to a time haha
16:40 < linuxdood> can anyone troubleshoot a freebsd kernel panic vmcore? noobiedubie ? u around
16:40 < mkillebrew> post it
16:41 < grumplestiltzki> tsarbomba: did you link the right thing?
16:41 < linuxdood> mkillebrew, k one moment ill get a pstebin
16:42 < linuxdood> mkillebrew, https://pastebin.com/h963J27m
16:44 < Trapdoor> 15 humpaxx
16:44 < Trapdoor> I've already signed off
16:44 < Trapdoor> s/signed off/checked out
16:44 < grumplestiltzki> tsarbomba: man - even searching that term "domestic war veteran" it came up with a ton of marijuana.com weed topics, and one about actual veteran support when you get out.     Where did you see/hear about that stuff?
16:52 < felda> yall ready to go to war with putin1?
16:53 < mkillebrew> this isn't #politics
16:53 < felda> his blatant use of DNS to manipulate out OP election is TREASON
16:53 < humpaxx> Trapdoor:  8
16:53 < Trapdoor> 7
16:53 < Trapdoor> actually
16:53 < hxcsp> jsut get rid of dns
16:53 < Trapdoor> JFDkthx, did you figure out your problem yet?
16:53 < hxcsp> you dont have the IP's of all your favorite porn sites memorized?
16:54 < humpaxx> Hmm, anyone know anything about smartcardreaders?
16:54 < Casteil> lol @ frozen pizza prices these days
16:55 < Casteil> they want like $5-7 for a freschetta/digornio?!
16:55 < Casteil> I can usually get a pizza hut from papa johns or pizza hut for like $7-9
16:55 < hxcsp> dominos has a large 3 topping carryout for 7.99
16:55 < hxcsp> cant really beat that
16:56 < Casteil> why the fuck would I want to deal with cooking a shitty frozen pizza myself at that price
16:56 < Casteil> pizzahut has been doing $7.99 large 2-topping for a while now
16:57 < Casteil> and I think papa john's might be doing 50% off menu price which ends up being similar
16:57 < Casteil> so fuuuck the idea of buying a frozen pizza for $5-7
16:58 <+ktechmidas> Anyone here familiar with openldap?
16:58 < Trapdoor> <humpaxx> Hmm, anyone know anything about smartcardreaders?
16:58 <+ktechmidas> I'm pulling my hair out
16:58 < Trapdoor> not at 4:58 they don't
16:58 < mkillebrew> linuxdood: recent kernel rebuild? or has it been working and just started breaking?
16:59 <+ktechmidas> my user here... doesn't seem to have a mail attr, and I can't get one added
16:59 <+ktechmidas> cn=dcase,ou=staff,dc=int,dc=dashlabs,dc=org
16:59 <+ktechmidas> oh shit I should have censored that
16:59 <+ktechmidas> wrong paste >.>
16:59 < grumplestiltzki> just undo, ctrl+z
16:59 <+ktechmidas> hah
16:59 < mkillebrew> good thing none of us care enough
17:00 <+ktechmidas> good ol' unforgiving IRC
17:00 <+ktechmidas> can't edit, can't delete
17:00 < Trapdoor> fuck this humpaxx
17:00 < Trapdoor> I'm out
17:01 <+ktechmidas> tiny little note... "Email is an alias for mail"
17:01 <+ktechmidas> fuck you openldap
17:01 <+ktechmidas> why didn't you tell me that
17:01 <+ktechmidas> or just call it "mail"
17:03 < mkillebrew> linuxdood: or did you swap drive to a new system and expect it to boot? did "machine i386" in your kernel config ever boot on that 64-bit xeon?
17:05 < voice> customer's vm gets taken out by windows update "how do we prevent this from happening again?" oh you don't, windows updates is russian roulette and always will be when you don't have a test setup
17:06 < felda> any recommendations for a syslog server?  I'm currently running Windows Server 2012 R2 and want to collect logs from my network devices
17:06 < felda> mostly because pfsense is dumb and only holds logs in RAM so if it crashes the logs are gone >_>
17:07 < grumplestiltzki> some men - they just want to see the wor^C^C^C facebook burn
17:07 < mkillebrew> ^H
17:07 < grumplestiltzki> felda: feldaHve you looked at splunk?
17:08 < felda> i'll gander at it
17:09 < mkillebrew> backspace does the ^H control character which isn't interpreted correctly by some terminals, ^C is SIGINT
17:10 < mkillebrew> though now I really wish I had a dedicated ^C key like I do ^H.... time to customize the touchbar I guess
17:15 < technonerd> I feel like I'm in prison
17:15 < technonerd> Locked bootloader
17:16 < technonerd> There's no Good non root backup utils or even adblocking
17:19 <+TuxedoJack> technonerd: what phone?
17:19 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: see ya later alligater
17:19 < technonerd> pixel 2 xl
17:19 < technonerd> shtty ass verizon
17:20 < technonerd> i gave up trying to find a pixel xl USA version
17:20 < technonerd> they dont exist
17:22 <+DrGibby|> I have a Pixel XL 128GB
17:23 < enix> 130am
17:23 < enix> no closer to getting this fixed
17:23 < enix> i dont know why i'm still in this job
17:24 < enix> 16 hours straight shit
17:25 < Bru-> yo
17:25 < Bru-> anyone use sonicwall vpn client?
17:27 <+TuxedoJack> technonerd: eww, VZW?
17:27 <+TuxedoJack> I'm so sorry
17:32 < insecurity> what happen
17:33 < humpaxx> Im off to see the wizards
17:33 < humpaxx> Laters!
17:36 < bobbeh> good afternoon nerds
17:36 < asimon> Afternoon ya nerd
17:37 < cybertrash> *checks clock* damned eurotrash... :D
17:37 < cybertrash> @bru, yeah, we're stuck with the sonicwall VPN client for another week, sup?
17:38 < GrandWizardZippy> how goes it all
17:38 < bobbeh> it's 11:38 cybertrash
17:38 < bobbeh> get your shit correct
17:38 < cybertrash> thus, not after noon
17:38 < bobbeh> hoisted by my own picard
17:41 <+TuxedoJack> Client wants QB upgrade, won't give me the fucking admin PW to the file
17:41 < technonerd> TuxedoJack: i ordered 3 pixel xl off amazon and the listing said it was the USA version aka the 2100
17:41 < technonerd> 3 times i got the international version aka 2200
17:41 < asimon> TuxedoJack: https://i.imgur.com/q46L4QH.jpg
17:42 < technonerd> 3 irate 1 star reviews
17:42 <+TuxedoJack> Claims they never got the fuicking token when I use the PW reset tool
17:42 <+TuxedoJack> Then bitches to MY boss
17:43 < tsarbomba> sounds like billable hours to me
17:43 <+DomLS3> Man, carbon fiber really is the greatest
17:43 < technonerd> the one turned around and blamed amazon since it "fullfied" by them
17:44 <+DomLS3> tsarbomba: Did you know my driveshaft in my Z06 is made out of CARBON FIBER not aluminum?
17:44 < tsarbomba> domls3, did you know your z06 is a steaming pile of shit that my buddy's SHO can smoke in the quarter mile?
17:44 < tsarbomba> i'll bet you didn't
17:44 < tsarbomba> but hey, you enjoy your 320whp :D
17:45 <+DomLS3> tsarbomba: yeah, that’s bullshit
17:45 < tsarbomba> uh, no, it's not
17:45 <+DomLS3> 320whp? what?
17:45 < tsarbomba> but, again, enjoy
17:45 <+DomLS3> I’m at 540 rwhp
17:45 < tsarbomba> (lol@GM fanboys)
17:45 <+DomLS3> at 3500 pounds
17:45 <+DomLS3> lol
17:45 < tsarbomba> uh huh
17:45 <+DomLS3> that 4300 boat of an SHO with 340 BHP runs 13’s if it’s lucky
17:45 < tsarbomba> another sucker
17:45 < felda> Do you guys know of a way to monitor your work ISP to send an email when it goes down?
17:45 <+DomLS3> tsarbomba: I have a C7 z06
17:45 <+DomLS3> definitely not 320 rwhpo
17:45 <+DomLS3> lol
17:45 < tsarbomba> it's people like domls3 who make going to the track rewarding :D
17:45 < tsarbomba> both literally and figuratively :D
17:46 < shoh> fuck you cryptic1
17:46 < shoh> fuck you bobbeh
17:46 < felda> SHOH OI M8 FUCK U THATS MY JOB
17:46 < tsarbomba> are you having a Moment of Butthurt, shoh
17:46 < shoh> dunno who u r tsarbomba
17:46 < tsarbomba> i don't see how that's relevant
17:46 < shoh> probably some bowlcut retard
17:46 < tsarbomba> so that's an affirmative on the Momentus Butthurticus
17:49 < linuxdood> shoh, oh im glad ur back
17:50 < grumplestiltzki> tsarbomba: hey, that link you posted earlier - it was for a group that sells T-shirts and hats and stuff, and sends money to fallen police.    Where did you hear about the 'domestic war veteran' thing?
17:50 < grumplestiltzki> *fallen police families
18:00 < estranger> know what's fun? explaining SSL (which can use TLS) vs STARTTLS (which can use SSL!) to people
18:00 < estranger> i recommend it
18:00 < linuxdood> estranger, like putting bleach in your eyes?
18:00 < tsarbomba> grumplestiltzki: they refer to themselves (the owners) as "domestic war veterans" on their home page
18:01 < enix> estranger: ELI5
18:01 < tsarbomba> i suspect that's a trait they share with all the other obese neckbeard woods-crawlers who find themselves in violent domestic "militias"
18:01 < enix> okay i need to pick your brains again guys
18:01 < tsarbomba> will it hurt?
18:01 < enix> I have MSSQL express advanced 2014 installed atm on this machine
18:01 < tsarbomba> it sounds like it might hurt
18:02 < voidstar> you're going to have to scratch behind the ear first
18:02 < tsarbomba> express AND advanced?
18:02 < tsarbomba> swanky
18:02 < enix> I'm trying to restore a backup to it
18:02 < tsarbomba> .bak?
18:02 < enix> yeah
18:02 < enix> So it's all working fine but it's complaining about an error on one of the lines
18:02 < tsarbomba> lines? or rows
18:02 < tapoxi> goddamnit i have pax pox
18:02 < enix> Could it potentially be related to my instance? Such as the version
18:02 < tsarbomba> depends on the error
18:02 < tsarbomba> need more info
18:02 < enix> one sec
18:03 < voidstar> pastebin, please
18:03 < ihre> pax pox? suits your name tapoxi
18:03 < tsarbomba> when a backup restoration fails there's usually a limited number of reasons and a fairly generic error in sql agent logs
18:03 < tsarbomba> pax tapoxicana
18:03 < ihre> what the fuck are pax pox tho
18:03 < tsarbomba> pax pox are like chicken pox except purple
18:03 < tapoxi> its getting sick from pax
18:03 < enix> https://i.imgur.com/INZBa08.png
18:04 < tapoxi> because fucking nerds decide to go even though theyre sick
18:04 < admiralspark> tapoxi: more water less booze?
18:04 < tsarbomba> i don't think that's a version error. but what version did the .bak file come from?
18:04 < tsarbomba> you may want to go back to the original DB and run a checkdb on it
18:04 < enix> I don't think I have any way of telling
18:04 < enix> these fucking morons didn't setup redundancy
18:04 < tsarbomba> otherwise try restoring it to single-user mode
18:04 < enix> original db is gone
18:04 < tsarbomba> yuk
18:05 < tsarbomba> you may have a bad backup
18:05 < tsarbomba> or, more precisely, a good backup of a bad db
18:05 < enix> These were taken by our software though
18:05 < enix> ah
18:05 < enix> that would make a lot more sense didn't think of it like that
18:05 < tapoxi> admiralspark: booze kills germs
18:05 < tsarbomba> yeah but if the db was unmaintained, etc.
18:05 < enix> tsarbomba: our software automates a lot of stuff but this server was on the fritz for 12 months
18:05 < enix> high possibility something was fucking them up much earlier.
18:06 < enix> single user mode though hm
18:06 < tsarbomba> we had one customer-facing db that just slowly started going bad and didn't exhibit any real symptoms until over a week after the fact. i had to dig deep into backups to recover
18:06 < tsarbomba> enix, it's a shot in the dark tbqh
18:06 < tsarbomba> if you hit the "details" button on that restore error it may give you something more useful to search
18:06 < enix> thank you
18:06 < enix> how do i drop into single user mode?
18:07 < tsarbomba> but i suspect the message isn't lying. one of the pages in the db may be problematic. i just don't know how to get it back into proper database format for you to run the more drastic checkdb features
18:07 < tsarbomba> you restore it in single user mode. in 2014 i think it's "restricted user" checkbox?
18:07 < tsarbomba> i'd have to look up the dbcc commands for t-sql
18:07 < tsarbomba> once i write the scripts i forget 'em. :D
18:07 < enix> t-sql?
18:08 < JFDkthx> estranger: GARBAGE DAY
18:08 < tsarbomba> the sql command syntax
18:08 < tsarbomba> text commands
18:08 < enix> right
18:08 < enix> more details doesn't really show me much more
18:08 < estranger> sparksql is all i care anymore
18:08  * estranger shoots JFDkthx 
18:09 < enix> problem location doesn't really help :
18:09 < enix> man i was meant to finish my resume tonight
18:09 < tsarbomba> problem location?
18:09 < tsarbomba> what do you get when you click the details on the error?
18:09 < tsarbomba> any useful extra info?
18:10 <+DomLS3> anyone watching part 2 of zuck getting cucked?
18:10 < Casteil> I've got some hype/anticipation going on right now and I'm not entire sure why
18:10 < tapoxi> PYTHON 2 IS DEAD! https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/7.5_release_notes/chap-red_hat_enterprise_linux-7.5_release_notes-deprecated_functionality
18:10 < voidstar> no, but nothing is going to come of this hearing, just like 2011
18:11 < enix> what do you mean details? did you see screenshot? There's advanced debug there
18:11 < tsarbomba> i'm going to wait for the friar's club roast DVD
18:11 < voidstar> facebook will keep on keeping on
18:11 < tsarbomba> only screenshot i saw was the main error message
18:11 < tsarbomba> restore failed, detected an error on page in DB as read from the backup set
18:11 < tsarbomba> details = little document icon with the red x at the top corner. click it and you get error details (usually)
18:11 < enix> yeah that one
18:11 < enix> o yeah thats the one i used
18:12 < enix> went through the various panes; basically a repeat of the basic error message
18:12 < tsarbomba> if you click it you should get another box
18:12 < tsarbomba> ok
18:12 < enix> sorry i thought i might have been missing something
18:12 < tsarbomba> yeah without any extra details there's very vague and generic info
18:12 < enix> and such has been my experience with debugging ms :(
18:12 < tsarbomba> just plug through some of the more popular search results and see if something sticks. i'd expect there's a way to restore potentially corrupt DBs,even if it just leaves them unusable or requiring a DBCC check
18:14 < tsarbomba> https://twitter.com/shawnwasabi/status/706742626154745856 the beginning of the jumanji remake
18:14 < enix> ah okay i think the backup is from 2012
18:14 <+DomLS3> I really with this douch could respond to a question with a simple yes or no answer
18:16 < corn266> tapoxi: I wouldn't say python2 is dead until they move python3 out of their higher priced repo and into the lower one
18:17 < tsarbomba> enix, there's this. it's on technet. but i don't know if i would trust it. https://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/Easily-Recover-SQL-Backup-9c79e2ac
18:17 <+A-KO> I pretty much only build on Py3 these days on new projects
18:17 <+A-KO> and I'm working on getting things converted to PS6 also, but we ran into a few bugs
18:17 < tsarbomba> the fact that the author offers zero technical details on what the app does worries me
18:17 <+A-KO> so now I've gotta wait for some fixes
18:18 < Hempux> Heyy
18:19 < tapoxi> corn266: higher priced repo?
18:19 < tsarbomba> man most of the results on that error are hot garbage
18:19 < corn266> the one with immediate support vs the self support version
18:20 < tapoxi> ahh
18:20 < tapoxi> well I mean for rhel8
18:20 < corn266> wtf rhel7.5 is still in beta
18:20 < enix> tsarbomba: i'll give it a look thank you
18:20 < tapoxi> since python2 is just unsupported in the next release and deprecated in 7.5
18:21 < corn266> either way it'd be a dick move to deprecate it and not offer it to the baseline installers
18:21 < Stoob> jesus christ
18:21 < corn266> deprecate python2 // offer python3
18:21 < grumplestiltzki> tsarbomba: I mean - I looked at their website, and I'm just not seeing that. It says a few places that 'midnight platoon' clothing brand came from a NY cop.  did you link the right thing?
18:21 < tapoxi> yeah I dont know how rhel works
18:21 < tapoxi> in centos I just fetch from epel
18:22 < corn266> which is what I did for our machine
18:22 < corn266> but on rhel
18:22 < enix> tsarbomba: yeah and the more tired i get the harder it becomes
18:22 < Stoob> one of our devs just came to me saying it's too hard to pull all the source off of git and load up the IDE etc, and has officially requested that we create a VM image with a desktop install and IDE and a copy of the code so that they can just spin it up when anyone new comes on
18:23 < voidstar> so you're saying you have a developer position open?
18:23 < Stoob> lol ohhhhh I wish we did
18:23 < Stoob> this is not even a dev, it's the lead dev :|
18:23 < corn266> what
18:24 < Stoob> "any time we update the code we can just have someone update the vm" r u kidding tho
18:24 < corn266> tell him you're going to switch to google docs instead of an ide
18:24 < voidstar> ^
18:24 < enix> wtf
18:24 < enix> vim has co-op abilities i think
18:24 < enix> emacs definitely would
18:25 < Stoob> I'm having to hold back from being mean to him tbh
18:25 < Stoob> im not mad, just disappointed.
18:25 < corn266> dad?
18:27 < voidstar> that's not very good if a lead dev can't git pull
18:27 < AnimalFarmPig> python2 will live on past 2020. There's already the tauthon project.
18:27 < technonerd> It will never die
18:28 < AnimalFarmPig> python3 is a hard case to make when they're continually making the language worse. Offering ultimatatums is their only strategy left.
18:28 < AnimalFarmPig> and that doesn't work with open source
18:29 < corn266> example of making the language worse?
18:29 < AnimalFarmPig> the whole async fiasco, the move towards typing, and lots of small things
18:29 <+DomLS3> zuck getting reeeeekt
18:30 < corn266> Ah, I'll need to read up on the async thing. However typing doesn't seem too bad
18:30 < enix> tsarbomba: no luck on that tool requires the paid version to export
18:30 < AnimalFarmPig> python2 is a multi-paradigm language. They're moving towards a more explicitly object oriented approach in 3
18:30 < corn266> Looks like we'll have to move to haskell then
18:31 < AnimalFarmPig> for example, some_dict.keys() returns a simple list type in 2. It returns a keyview type (or som such nonsense) in 3
18:31 < AnimalFarmPig> map returns a list in 2, returns a special map result object in 3
18:31 < enix> time to break the bad news to the client; im going to bed
18:31 < enix> can barely keep my eyes open
18:31 < enix> night all
18:31 < corn266> You've never had to HashMap.keySet().iterator() ?
18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> no?
18:32 < corn266> Then don't go to java
18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> haha, okay
18:33 < AnimalFarmPig> I can see how people working on shitty code bases would want the typing thing
18:33 < AnimalFarmPig> especially if you're passing around a bunch of objects
18:33 < Casteil> fedex tracking is a little annoying/vague
18:34 < AnimalFarmPig> if you're passing around the built-in types like lists, dicts, etc. and you're writing clean code, you shouldn't need it
18:34 < AnimalFarmPig> lunch time, brb
18:36 < corn266> On the other end of the spectrum, writing clean methods without knowing the full range of input types can be difficult
18:40 < Gencade> is it friday
18:41 < tsarbomba> it's sunday evening. you slept through the whole weekend
18:41 < tsarbomba> back to work in the morning for a fresh new week!
18:42 < BytesAndCoffee> its not friday, but its my thursday
18:42 < BytesAndCoffee> </3 offset weekends
18:43 <@JollyRgrs> offset weekends are fine if your friends also have offset weekends
18:43 < Gencade> tsarbomba, :(
18:43 < Gencade> fuck
18:43 <@JollyRgrs> but once your friends (or later in life, family) have normal weekends... it sucks
18:44 < grumplestiltzki> its real hard to do 'weekend things' with your kids if you work weekends
18:45 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzki: take them out of school
18:45 < JFDkthx> fuck the system
18:46 < Casteil> I wish it were friday
18:46 < Casteil> I want my new phone
18:46 < Casteil> and it's a little weird being without a cell phone
18:46 < JFDkthx> whatya git
18:47 < JFDkthx> "John Boehner was a longtime opponent of marijuana reform. Here's what changed his mind." it's money.
18:47 < JFDkthx> fucking what else would it ever be
18:48 < grumplestiltzki> That guy sounded *sloshed* all day erry day
18:48 < JFDkthx> you would to with a name mispronounced as boner
18:48 < BytesAndCoffee> JollyRgrs: fri/sat is at least better than thurs/fri
18:48 < grumplestiltzki> Casteil: nokia 8810?
18:49 < Casteil> JFDkthx: Moto X4
18:49 < Casteil> (for Google Fi)
18:50 < BytesAndCoffee> Casteil: how is Fi doing?
18:50 < BytesAndCoffee> i heard it was at risk of being Wave'd
18:50 < Casteil> zero complaints
18:50 < Casteil> waved?
18:50 < BytesAndCoffee> remember google wave?
18:50 < gnupluslinux> is that still a thing?
18:50 < Casteil> lol
18:50 < Casteil> that would suck
18:50 < JFDkthx> no
18:51 < Casteil> I'd be a little upset if google killed Fi
18:51 < BytesAndCoffee> gnupluslinux: no
18:51 < BytesAndCoffee> hence my point
18:51 < Casteil> it's the one google service I've paid for >.>
18:51 < gnupluslinux> nope, shutdown 2012
18:51 < BytesAndCoffee> Google always kills things off
18:51 < gnupluslinux> BytesAndCoffee, yeah i didnt read up
18:51 < gnupluslinux> google starts up things pretty often too though so there's that
18:51 < mruszczyk> swear to god I'm sick of 'business' people wanting answers to their problems when they wont budge an inch. Somehow I'm supposed to keep a 5TB file server in sync to 4 offices so that users can use it as a mapped drive
18:51 < gnupluslinux> money to burn hoping something sticks
18:52 < mruszczyk> the files are acticely used every day and last save wins is unacceptable
18:52 < Casteil> been using Fi for nearly 3 years
18:52 < Casteil> really the only issue I have is that coverage through northern michigan is kinda shitty; but that's the case for anything non verizon
18:52 < JFDkthx> mruszczyk: git?
18:53 < gnupluslinux> mruszczyk, are the office real far from each other or something
18:53 < mruszczyk> india and east us
18:53 < gnupluslinux> rip
18:53 < mruszczyk> London, and vancouver
18:53 < gnupluslinux> khelpw, how'd that pakistan remote server thing go
18:53 < BytesAndCoffee> JFDkthx: thats eliminating 1 problem, and adding INT_MAX
18:53 < khelpw> Simple, It didn't.
18:53 < mruszczyk> Is the answer sharepoint online? or an I being too optimistic?
18:53 < khelpw> nothing has changed.
18:53 < gnupluslinux> mruszczyk, i kinda hate to say it but sharepoint?
18:53 < JFDkthx> BytesAndCoffee: set it up in sharepoint then
18:54 < Casteil> oh nice there's an actual project fi subreddit
18:54 < khelpw> devs still bitch about it being slow.
18:54 < gnupluslinux> mruszczyk, i had to rollback sharepoint cause my users couldnt be assed to use it so there's taht
18:54 < mruszczyk> we have an internally hosted gitlab here in east us and the indian devs don't mind using that. It's the pms and writers using stupidly large word docs
18:55 < gnupluslinux> doesnt citrix offer soemthing for kinda like mapped drives
18:55 < JFDkthx> but then you have to use citrix
18:55 < mruszczyk> Well like do sharepoint team sites work well? when distributed across continents like that?
18:55 < gnupluslinux> it'd come down to a training thing but in theory it'd work yes
18:56 < gnupluslinux> honestly if its word collaboration you could _probably_ do something with word online
18:56 < gnupluslinux> maybe
18:56 < mruszczyk> well youcan map those locally right?
18:56 < mruszczyk> which is what they want, they don't want a web interface
18:56 < gnupluslinux> as a onedrive folder maybe
18:57 < gnupluslinux> not sure if it supports file locks though
18:57 < scwizard> "Project-level secret variables can be added by going to your project's Settings > CI/CD, then finding the section called Secret variables." it's not there ahhhhh
18:57 < gnupluslinux> i mean if they're bitching about synch, web interface is probably the way to go tbh
18:57 < scwizard> there just isn't such a section
18:57 < scwizard> gitlab is so amazing in theory but it's kinda rough around the edges still
18:57 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: i think you have to use office online for that
18:58 <+DomLS3> haha this lady just called him “Mr. Zuckerman”
18:58 < JFDkthx> for file locks
18:58 <+DomLS3> she doesn’t even know the name of the guy she’s quqestioning
18:58 <+DomLS3> s/ qu/
18:58 < tsarbomba> (((they))) all look alike
18:59 < gnupluslinux> i know word online can do the whole sharing thing with collab but that might be a bitch to maintain. not sure if onedrive synch allows locks, sharepoint online would come with training costs with users getting used to checking things out and checking them back in.
18:59 < scwizard> DomLS3: that's the government we know and "love"
18:59 < tsarbomba> i'm so glad that all of the dodgy information stealing shit on the internet will be finished once this senate hearing wraps up
18:59 < scwizard> "Mr. Zuckerman you work with computers right?"
18:59 < gnupluslinux> git is a bit much if they're unwilling to use cli unless there's a decent gui git i haven't used
18:59 < scwizard> gnupluslinux: tortoise git is ok
18:59 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: let me introduce you to tourtise git
18:59 < JFDkthx> it's fucking crap
19:00 < scwizard> perfectly usable if you understand git
19:00 < JFDkthx> but our software devs use it
19:00 < gnupluslinux> scwizard, u using gitlab community or gitlab ent
19:00 < JFDkthx> the ones above 60 that is
19:00 < gnupluslinux> <scwizard> perfectly usable if you understand git
19:00 < scwizard> gnupluslinux: gitlab.com
19:00 < gnupluslinux> therein lies the problem
19:00 < scwizard> gnupluslinux: i know :(
19:00 < gnupluslinux> and if you understand git, you could argue that the cli is preferrable
19:00 < scwizard> i agree
19:00 < Gencade> https://www.twitch.tv/washingtonpost
19:01 < scwizard> gnupluslinux: it's weird gitlab.com says it's community edition, even though we're paying for it? Idk
19:01 < gnupluslinux> scwizard, starter?
19:01 < gnupluslinux> starter iirc is just community with gitlab support
19:02 < scwizard> hmm
19:02 < scwizard> yeah starter
19:02 < scwizard> i found group level secret variables
19:02 < gnupluslinux> oooh the saas version, not sure about that
19:03 < tsarbomba> oh so congress is fucking with zuck so they can keep punting on this issue: http://www.erienewsnow.com/story/37926169/millcreek-school-district-arms-teachers-with-baseball-bats
19:03 < tsarbomba> clever girl
19:04 < scwizard> ok i found it
19:04 < scwizard> had to scroll down
19:04 < gnupluslinux> mfw scwizard is the user
19:04 < gnupluslinux> ;)
19:04 < scwizard> it's like an iframe
19:04 < corn266> washingtonpost has a twitch account? when are they gonna play some fortnite
19:04 < scwizard> so the scrollwheel was on the left side
19:04 < scwizard> kinda shitty ux
19:05 < gnupluslinux> ah yeah gitlab does that unfortunately
19:05 < ihre> gitlab ui switch fucked me up, i still prefer the old one
19:05 < ihre> but not sure if youre able to switch back
19:06 < grumplestiltzki> So, same rules as yesterday, but replace 'senator' with 'congressman'
19:07 < Heresiarch> ...Expanse S3 starts tonight. #GETHYPE
19:07 < catbeard> any tips for transiting Qatar?
19:15 < JFDkthx> catbeard: #1 dont be a slave
19:16 <@JollyRgrs> walk softly, carry a bit scimitar?
19:16 < gnupluslinux> catbeard, like the country?
19:17 < grumplestiltzki> flying over it is probably teh best
19:17 < JFDkthx> yeah
19:17 < JFDkthx> skipping it entirely
19:17 < JFDkthx> if that isnt an option. i would also suggest to do it
19:17 < JFDkthx> safely
19:17 < gnupluslinux> i read that as transitioning qatar. like moving a dc there to somewhere else
19:18 < gnupluslinux> they still planning on doing world cup there?
19:18 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: he's actually the state department looking for advice
19:18 < Heresiarch> catbeard: if you have to be there for more than the length of connecting to another flight, see about getting a second copy of your passport.
19:19 < JFDkthx> catbeard: is the purpose of the trip to undermine the countries government?
19:19 < gnupluslinux> yall keep your passports on you when traveling or leave it with concierge?
19:19 < JFDkthx> if thats the case you should try to get a passport from another country
19:20 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: i alwasy had mine on me when i was traveling through europe.
19:20 < grumplestiltzki> ++     like travelling to any country, save the phone number to the local US embassy (or whatever your country of origin is)    and save it in whatever phone you bring, and *ALSO* printed out.   I would also recommend having your birth certificate available to somebody back home.  If you need a replacement passport, you'll probably need to have someone fax it
19:21 < grumplestiltzki> It happened to my sister in law, in europe.   a ..what are they called now?  romani?     legit gypsy, stole her bag with passport.  It was a big hubbub
19:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> know whats shit? KY state licenses won't be a valid ID for federal shit anymore -.-
19:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> I gotta get apassport for my own damn country lol
19:25 < felda> is it because KY is a shite state?
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> i like ky :(
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> they are just slow to adopt some new regulation who knows
19:26 <+NinjaStyle> damn where is rkeene
19:26 < Heresiarch> it's because KY dun't wanna implement fed standards for ID.
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> cut off is coming up lo
19:26 <+NinjaStyle> i thoguht he was back
19:26 < felda> KY is #5 in terms of support it gets from the Federal Government AYYYY LMAO
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah its terrible
19:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> tell me about it lol
19:26 < felda> Hey government pls gib money also fuck your rules
19:27 < felda> oh wow KY is actually dangerously close to IL in terms of geography
19:27 < JFDkthx> McDonaldsWiFi: felda welcome to the state of mitch mcconnel
19:27 < Heresiarch> ...and that's pretty much the South in a single sentence.
19:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> JFDkthx: felda rightttt
19:27 < felda> I didn't know I was that close to filth
19:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> rand paul does he best to balance out mitch's horseshit lol
19:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> his*
19:27 < JFDkthx> at least we have gods gift to earth bob corker
19:28 < JFDkthx> you see that message on discord McDonaldsWiFi
19:28 < felda> KY is top 10 for violence :D
19:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> JFDkthx: which?
19:28 < JFDkthx> the one this morning
19:28 < catbeard> discord? you mean nudes storage?
19:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> felda: weird, my area is very quiet
19:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> JFDkthx:  no lol
19:28 < JFDkthx> i want to make sure you see the sick burn
19:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> copy pasta it
19:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> was it from richard?
19:29 < JFDkthx> no
19:29 < JFDkthx> from me.
19:29 < gnupluslinux> you guys think you can actually place each state on a blank map of the usa with state outlines?
19:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> to me?
19:29 < JFDkthx> i'll wait til you see it with your own eyes
19:29 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: that was a 7th grade requirement
19:29 < JFDkthx> and all the capitals
19:29 < gnupluslinux> i'd be pretty fuzzy with the middle tbh and appalachia
19:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> thats a lot of suspense i wont be home for a while :(
19:29 < gnupluslinux> JFDkthx, yeah same but fuck me if i can do it now
19:29 < JFDkthx> i could get most
19:29 < gnupluslinux> was like 4th or 5th grade for us iirc
19:30 < JFDkthx> the capitals can get fucked tho
19:30 < gnupluslinux> had to do reports on a states and shit
19:30 < felda> KY one of worst states for health care
19:30 < JFDkthx> i know the capitals of the states in the south
19:30 < felda> XD
19:30 < JFDkthx> because those are the only states that matter imo
19:30 < JFDkthx> fucking yanks ruining mah cuntry
19:30 < snarkadmin> this fucking fortinet webinar man
19:31 <+NinjaStyle> god damn
19:31 < gnupluslinux> pretty sure i'd mix up kentucky and tennessee. not sure where nebraska is, somewhere around kansas or something. ohio, illinois, and ... i think indiana? are in a row
19:31 < snarkadmin> I've got a counter for the number of times he's said "Fabric"
19:31 <+NinjaStyle> this guy in #android is an asshole
19:31 < snarkadmin> i'm at 10 since he started counting
19:31 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: just remeber tennessee touches the most? states
19:31 < JFDkthx> it's either us or the gnome pants state
19:32 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: remember... kentucky looks like a KFC drumstick
19:32 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, did ya fire yer lazer at im?
19:32 <@JollyRgrs> tennessee is long enough to fit its name (very skinny but long)
19:32 <+NinjaStyle> i told him he was being a dick ad he put me on ignore
19:32 < snarkadmin> McDonaldsWiFi, what are you talkin' bout, paul and mcconnell are both horseshit
19:32 < JFDkthx> it's also the best state. texas being the penultimate
19:32 < snarkadmin> though paul is slightly more reasonable
19:33 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, i just looked up a map
19:33 < gnupluslinux> now im hungry
19:33  * JollyRgrs hands NinjaStyle a trophy for participation in 2004 t-ball
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: get some popeyes
19:33 < gnupluslinux> dont tempt me
19:33 <+NinjaStyle> being a dick over irc to try to look smarter than everyone is one of my pet peeves
19:33 < gnupluslinux> they told me the devil would be pretty
19:33 <+giant_it_burrit> and i am
19:33 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, ur suck
19:33 < gnupluslinux> i am tha smahtest
19:33 < gnupluslinux> send bob
19:34 <+NinjaStyle> :(
19:34 <@JollyRgrs> NinjaStyle: stfu man, that's not true, i've read science journals about it
19:34 < gnupluslinux> pfft look at this guy, reading science journals. i AM the peer review
19:34 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: if the devil sounded like you... oh man... that would be hell :P
19:34 < JFDkthx> s/p/q
19:34 < gnupluslinux> you know, a po boy sounds good right about now
19:34 < JFDkthx> wgat
19:34 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: so you're the one that lets all of the trash get thru? GGs
19:34 < JFDkthx> where l8
19:35 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: loud and italian
19:35 < JFDkthx> giant_it_burrit: ++ can confirm McDonaldsWiFi
19:35 <@JollyRgrs> loud is an understatement
19:35 < JFDkthx> italian isnt
19:35 < JFDkthx> thats for fucking sure
19:35 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, sorry your intellectual capacity isn't high enough to comprehend the the philosophical nature it requires to embiggen your worldview
19:35 < JFDkthx> i can hear his hands through discord
19:35 <+giant_it_burrit> srs
19:35 <@JollyRgrs> haha
19:35 <+giant_it_burrit> you guys suck
19:35 <+giant_it_burrit> lol
19:35 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: but your mom embiggens me
19:36 < snarkadmin> NinjaStyle, is it this dagmar dude?
19:36 < gnupluslinux> YOU TAKE THAT BACK MY MOM IS A SAINT
19:36 <+NinjaStyle> yeah
19:36 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: but she hangs her halo on her bedpost
19:36 < gnupluslinux> so i never watched high times at ridgemont high. didnt realize the stacey's mom scene was a reference to it
19:36 <+NinjaStyle> he is actually being much more civil
19:36 < snarkadmin> yes
19:36 <+NinjaStyle> before he was just being an asshole to this dude
19:36 < JFDkthx> SELinux is preventing /usr/bin/perl from 'ioctl' accesses on the file
19:36 < JFDkthx> time to disable selinux
19:37 <+giant_it_burrit> hey JollyRgrs
19:37  * giant_it_burrit https://i.imgur.com/OdRDs4u.jpg
19:37 < gnupluslinux> isnt there an thing now to audit selinux and allow specific things automatically
19:37 < gnupluslinux> giant_it_burrit, bopity boopy?
19:38 <+giant_it_burrit> boo
19:38 < gnupluslinux> bippity boppity boopy boo!
19:38 <+giant_it_burrit> chi
19:39 < gnupluslinux> tengo un mano de mono in mis pantalones
19:40 < rpifan> una mano
19:40 < rpifan> en*
19:40 <@JollyRgrs> what's mano?
19:40 < rpifan> hand
19:40 <@JollyRgrs> and why una mano if mano is masculine?
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> or is that some exception?
19:41 < rpifan> sadly that is an exception
19:41 < rpifan> however
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: why do you have a monkey's paw in your pants?
19:41 < gnupluslinux> probably same reason there's el dia
19:41 < rpifan> the word manojo does take un
19:41 < gnupluslinux> or am i remembering my hs spanish wrong
19:42 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, do you not?
19:42 < gnupluslinux> how else am i gonna get my wishes in
19:42 < rpifan> yes sadly it is also el dia
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> i only had 2 years... first year was jacked w/ a sub for first semester... 2nd year was a terrible teacher... so i have like... 1/2 a year of good spanish
19:42 < rpifan> one big thing in terms of exceptions in spanish is that
19:42 < rpifan> spanish hates elision
19:42 < gnupluslinux> el dia is kinda understandable though cause iirc Dios is God
19:42 < rpifan> so if using la would cause two vowels to get together theyll go for el
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> Dios is God, but dia is just day
19:42 < rpifan> like la agua is wrong
19:43 < rpifan> cause you cant do l'agua in spanish but u can in french
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: if you are shakespear, you can do that in english,too
19:43 < dragonfleas> have any of you worked jobs where you are salaried but you basically don't have a set schedule and come and go as you please?
19:43 < rpifan> i wish
19:43 < gnupluslinux> yes?
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> shakespear is such a fake
19:43 < bigchim> that's the goal but it never ends up in your favor
19:44 < gnupluslinux> ^^
19:44 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: i have very lenient flex time.
19:44 < dragonfleas> yeah my job is like that and it's fucking weird, i feel nervous all the time if i leave early or something to go run an errand, but my boss said explicitly it's fine
19:44 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: i'm close to it? not as i please, but fairly flexible so long as i get my stuff done... but meetings mostly dictate i can't flex much
19:44 < gnupluslinux> dragonfleas, just be careful they respect your 8 hours or you get midnight calls
19:44 < gnupluslinux> cause you're kinda on the clock 24/7
19:44 < dragonfleas> i am on the clock 24/7
19:44 < gnupluslinux> or however your contract is stuctured
19:45 < gnupluslinux> yeah but are you expected to actually answer calls at 3am for random shit
19:45 < dragonfleas> i was up till 3 am doing diagnostics on a server with high temps, and i came in at like 11:30 this morning lol
19:45 < rpifan> i dont like shakesperar
19:45 <+DrGibby|> https://i.imgur.com/DYNIfoG.gifv
19:45 < gnupluslinux> i've had tech days like that, comes down to communicating your availability and their trust in you to do your shit.
19:46 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: ++
19:46 < catbeard> https://imgur.com/a/gkyAk
19:46 < admiralspark> oh man
19:46 < grumplestiltzki> DrGibby| ++
19:46 < Heresiarch> communication is more important than being in your chair 8-5 (for many places).
19:46 < admiralspark> Juniper: A Software-Defined Secure Network offers end-to-end network visibility that secures the entire network, physical and virtual. It leverages cloud economics to find and stop threats faster, and it transforms a network into a single, holistic defense domain where every element becomes an enforcement point.
19:46 < admiralspark> CLOUD ECONOMICS
19:47 < snarkadmin> this fortinet guy said "fabric" like at least 35 times during this webinar
19:47 < snarkadmin> i don't know how many times he said cloud
19:47 < admiralspark> Did you ask what kind of fabric they use in the cloud and why wool is the best??
19:47 < snarkadmin> i did not
19:48 < catbeard> switching fabric of course
19:48 < snarkadmin> i mostly came to see what's new in FortiOS 6
19:48 < catbeard> don't wanna do it with argyle or nylon or something like that
19:48 < admiralspark> Yeah, otherwise it'll melt when it gets hot from pushing so many packets
19:49 < gnupluslinux> i like wool
19:49 < gnupluslinux> problem is that shit's heavy yo
19:49 <+DrGibby|> polyester for me
19:49 < admiralspark> snarkadmin: What's new: New approved upgrade paths that only require THREE reboots now to get from 5.x to 6.x!
19:49 < admiralspark> :P
19:49 < gnupluslinux> long as you have a place to wash (e.g. done backpack in the fucking desert like do), i'd go for synthetics
19:49 < snarkadmin> I don't even know what our UGPath is now
19:49 < admiralspark> gnupluslinux: c'est la vie
19:49 < snarkadmin> they don't put them in the release notes anymore
19:49 <+DrGibby|> I'm going to single-handily bring back parachute pants
19:49 < snarkadmin> Boss has the support site login
19:50 < admiralspark> snarkadmin: I usually use reddit to find out what the current "known working" is
19:50  * DrGibby| MC Hammer's
19:50 < admiralspark> what
19:50 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: just get silver lined synthetics. that way you dont have to worry about germs and stinks
19:50 < admiralspark> snarkadmin: it takes like 5 minutes to add another user to the support site
19:50 < gnupluslinux> JFDkthx, they make those?
19:50 < JFDkthx> yeh
19:50 < gnupluslinux> what if im a werewolf
19:50 < snarkadmin> he may have added me
19:50 < snarkadmin> i dunno
19:51 < JFDkthx> http://www.patagonia.com/polygiene.html
19:51 < admiralspark> snarkadmin: you just KNOW that the one time you're gonna need to use it is when he's out of the office ;)
19:57 < ivanf> Hey all
19:58 < gnupluslinux> hello
19:58 < JFDkthx> hi
19:58 < ivanf> Can I ask for some advice to get into sysadmin like  for a entry level job?
19:58 < ivanf> o/
19:58 < admiralspark> helpdesk
19:58 < rpifan> yes
19:58 < gnupluslinux> assuming you're new to irc, you just ask. dont ask to ask
19:59 < rpifan> recommend learning everything possible
19:59 < JFDkthx> you should start out in a msp. preferably a very large one.
19:59 < rpifan> not necesarily
19:59 < ivanf> gnupluslinux i'm not. But you guys are all helping for free. So just thought I respect that
19:59 < gnupluslinux> ah helldesk :)
19:59 < rpifan> u can do lots of freelance work
19:59 < gnupluslinux> respect on irc :)
19:59 < asimon> ivanf: Get hired as an engineer and happen to sit next to the older engineer who ended up doing the sysadmin work before you came along
20:00 < ivanf> Thing is.. I know computers.. just never really learned it .. if you say.. the correct way? (Class/school)
20:00 <+shakygator> tier 1 helldesk
20:00 <+shakygator> glhf
20:00 < Heresiarch> ivanf: are you still in school?
20:00 < ivanf> But I do know bit of python
20:00 < gnupluslinux> ivanf, how old are you? is school an option? even community college? could always check their IT depts if they have anything
20:00 < ivanf> Heresiarch no
20:00 < ivanf> 33/ laid off, BA in business
20:00 < ivanf> driving a cab atm
20:00 < gnupluslinux> so IT != dev
20:00 < gnupluslinux> ah
20:01 < rpifan> yes dev is bad
20:01 < rpifan> sysadmin is no dev
20:01 < rpifan> thaknfully
20:01 < rpifan> i hate dev
20:01 < JFDkthx> false.
20:01 <+shakygator> automation yo
20:01 < JFDkthx> sysadmin is dev
20:01 < admiralspark> ^^
20:01 <+shakygator> youll need to at least script
20:01 < gnupluslinux> so you have your BA, assuming you have access to school as alumni, they probably have a job portal ivanf
20:01 < rpifan> nop
20:01 < rpifan> now it is
20:01 < gnupluslinux> could always check those
20:01 <+shakygator> cuz if you dont script anything you probably suck as an admin
20:01 < rpifan> cuase of dev ops
20:01 < ivanf> So with family and all just wife and I.. no kids yet.. but would like to get into something.. I don't care what the pay is tbh (even 30k a year for the time being.. beats driving 12 hours a day)
20:01 < admiralspark> dev is ops. Ops is dev.
20:01 < Heresiarch> ivanf: find work in helpdesk. In the meantime, find an open source project that's written in python. Start using it, then contributing to it.
20:01 < ivanf> I see
20:02 <+shakygator> ivanf, where are you located
20:02 < ivanf> Nyc
20:02 < admiralspark> ivanf: Look for a helpdesk job.
20:02 < gnupluslinux> oof
20:02 < admiralspark> ahh shit
20:02 < ivanf> yeah
20:02 < gnupluslinux> ebol4, khelpw yall know any openings?
20:02 < ivanf> I tried but no one ever replies back
20:02 < khelpw> Haven't done anything to piss me off enough to want to inflict that upon you tbh
20:02 < Heresiarch> ivanf: keep trying.
20:03 < ivanf> I built my own nas and am learning linux
20:03 < rpifan> if u wanan be hell desk
20:03 < rpifan> u need to know windows crap
20:03 < gnupluslinux> maybe try a meetup
20:03 < ivanf> Anything.. I'm willing to learn
20:03 < admiralspark> ivanf: Another thing...try submitting to something like /r/sysadminresumes so that people can help tweak resumes
20:04 < ivanf> I will do so
20:04 < admiralspark> I've met a LOT of people in this field even with 20+ years who had very crappy resumes, which is something that can be fixed
20:04 < ivanf> Thank you
20:05 < Heresiarch> ivanf: another alternative is to try to find work as a NOC analyst. If you have no job history in IT, you'll need to mod your resume with the experience you have on the projects you've done *and what you achieved by doing them*.
20:05 < ivanf> I see
20:05 < Heresiarch> could also find something as a business analyst/project analyst. Not IT per se, but adjacent.
20:06 < ivanf> Tbh I don't want to be in business anymore
20:07 < ivanf> I should have gone into comp sci.. but things happened
20:07 < Heresiarch> can't really avoid it, even in IT.
20:07 < ivanf> Also would knowing linux or taking the rhlc exams help?
20:07 < Heresiarch> knowing linux, yes. If you want to try the cert route, look into the RHCSA.
20:07 < khelpw> You could rob a bank, use the money to buy a bunch of crack, step on it with some baking soda, sell it and use the profits to enlist a stable of steady bitches to turn tricks for you
20:08 < khelpw> next you'll want a town car. Early ones are best, and if you can find one with a plush carpeted interior already applied it'll save you time and money.
20:08 < ivanf> Born and raise in brooklyn saw enough of that :)
20:08 < ivanf> raised*
20:08 < khelpw> So you know the game. Play it.
20:08 < ivanf> hah
20:08 < khelpw> Otherwise, it's all "business"
20:08 < rpifan> lol
20:08 < rpifan> im from queens
20:08 < khelpw> I'm sorry.
20:09 < ivanf> Oh I live in queens now
20:09 < rpifan> ivanf, do you drive a yellow cab
20:09 < ivanf> yes
20:09 < rpifan> lol
20:09 < rpifan> u r lucky
20:09 < ivanf> Why so?
20:09 < rpifan> my dad has been in driving business in ny most of his life
20:09 < rpifan> yellow cabs always wee the best to drive he said lots of money
20:09 < ivanf> Not like before tbh.
20:09 < ivanf> Before Uber and app based services
20:10 < rpifan> he used to do black car services
20:10 < ivanf> It was good.. now .. its really pretty bad
20:10 < ivanf> Ahh I see
20:10 < rpifan> idk what he is doing now
20:10 < rpifan> i dont see much of him
20:10 < SpeakerToMeat> Cool, I just fucked up my whole right arm
20:10 < rpifan> and he is quite old
20:10 < rpifan> had a lot of medical issues
20:10 < rpifan> almost died
20:10 < ivanf> its not an easy job. Its really not a good job to do for more than 2+ years
20:10 < ivanf> takes a toll on your body
20:10 < rpifan> hes been doing it for 30 something years
20:11 < ivanf> Yeah. He's a strong man
20:12 < rpifan> poor old bastard
20:12 < rpifan> but yea he started out in yellow cabs
20:12 < rpifan> in the 80s
20:12 < rpifan> very well known in corona
20:12 < ivanf> I see
20:14 < L3gacy> good noms to all
20:14 < ivanf> o/
20:14 < ivanf> Thank you again guys
20:14 < ivanf> I shall look
20:14 < rpifan> nom
20:24 < dragonfleas> guys
20:24 <+giant_it_burrit> did you assume our gende
20:24 <+giant_it_burrit> r
20:24 < dragonfleas> my nurse coworker just came in my office and closed the door and started bawling his eyes out his partner
20:24 < dragonfleas> feel bad for this dude but it's awkward
20:24 < dragonfleas> i'm like sitting in my office
20:24 < dragonfleas> trying to work
20:24 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: ...recommend a therapist?
20:24 < dragonfleas> i think he just needs a friend
20:25 <+giant_it_burrit> tinder?
20:25 < dragonfleas> it would be rude to be like "YOU NEED PSYCH HELP GO SEE A THERAPIST BITCH"
20:27 <+DrGibby|> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aHQ1yQPwRo
20:32 < freelancerbob> hi need help with winrs command
20:33 < freelancerbob> how to run powershell command as admin with winrs ?
20:34 <+giant_it_burrit> on your local machine?
20:34 <+giant_it_burrit> remote machine?
20:34 < freelancerbob> remote.... something like this winrs -r:http://192.168.1.10 -u:user -p:password powershell.exe -command "echo 123"			
20:34 <+giant_it_burrit> is your user an admin there?
20:35 < freelancerbob> yes
20:35 <+giant_it_burrit> why not Enter-PSSession -Credential(Get-Credential) -ComputerName <remotehost>
20:36 < freelancerbob> i need use winrs command, it is possible ?
20:36 <+giant_it_burrit> why do you need to use it
20:36 < freelancerbob> i have third party app where i can run only winrs command
20:36 <+giant_it_burrit> is winrm enabled?
20:37 < freelancerbob> yes
20:37 <+giant_it_burrit> configured and enabled
20:37 < freelancerbob> it is
20:39 < freelancerbob> problem is get-acl command
20:39 <+giant_it_burrit> what is the issue
20:39 <+giant_it_burrit> can you not get the acl for the remote machine?
20:40 < freelancerbob> i am getting permission denied
20:41 <+giant_it_burrit> could do icm 192.168.128.1 {echo123}
20:41 < freelancerbob> something like this: https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1471862-windows-folder-acl-access-denied-to-owner-who-has-full-permissions
20:41 <+giant_it_burrit> remote powershell can be done with icm
20:42 < freelancerbob> i can use only winrs
20:43 <+giant_it_burrit> https://www.utilizewindows.com/using-winrs-and-powershell-for-remote-management-in-windows-7/
20:45 < binaryhermit> I'm confused, I have a Raspberry Pi that's not responding to ssh or showing up as connected to my router that's clearly up and on the internet as it's seeding torrents
20:46 <+giant_it_burrit> is 22 open
20:46 < binaryhermit> not really looking for support, just saying that's weird
20:46 < rpifan> have u tried nmap
20:46 <+giant_it_burrit> is it set to drop ssh conns
20:46 <+giant_it_burrit> that would make sense
20:46 <+giant_it_burrit> but not connected to router
20:46 <+giant_it_burrit> hmmm
20:46 < Stoob> what is "showing up as connected to my router"
20:46 < Stoob> how are you determining that
20:47 < binaryhermit> in the google wifi app
20:47 < binaryhermit> it's probably connected to my isp-provided shitbox
20:47 < binaryhermit> which I can't do anything about
20:47 < Stoob> oh so its not connected to one of your routers
20:47 <+giant_it_burrit> you could put it on your google wifi
20:47 <+giant_it_burrit> problem solved
20:47 <+giant_it_burrit> NEXT
20:48 < binaryhermit> that'd require physical access
20:48 < Stoob> lets get physical
20:48 < binaryhermit> which I'll do the next time I'm home
20:48 <+giant_it_burrit> to connect it?
20:48 <+giant_it_burrit> no remote access?
20:48 <+giant_it_burrit> SHAME
20:48 < binaryhermit> no, to change the wifi setting
20:48 < Stoob> i presume ssh is his primary means of remote access
20:49 < binaryhermit> ssh is rejecting connections
20:49 < Stoob> yes, hence not having remote access :|
20:50 < Stoob> you said, basically "my remote access isn't working" and giant_it_burrit replied "no remote access? SHAME" which does not really make sense do you see what im getting at here
20:52 <+giant_it_burrit> i was referring to access to your isp router
20:52 <+giant_it_burrit> i dont know many isps that let you ssh into their router
20:52 <+giant_it_burrit> or like it at least
20:53 <+giant_it_burrit> if you arent sure where its connecting
20:53 <+giant_it_burrit> which is another shame if you are torrenting,
20:55 < mruszczyk> is there any obvious way to turn on a windows 10 sstp vpn at user login?
20:56 <+giant_it_burrit> powershell startup script?
20:56 < admiralspark> mruszczyk: Do you want it for making sure drives connect/roaming profiles load?
20:57 <+giant_it_burrit> roaming profiles oh god
20:57 <+giant_it_burrit> plz no
20:57 < mruszczyk> No, we're trying to not require a full tunnel for things like that any more. We just want it to hit for gpo and kms purposes
20:57 < admiralspark> you have a few options, the most secure AND easiest is ironically DirectAccess (always-on SSTP vpn). This will also prevent the falling-off-the-domain assuming they power it up once in awhile
20:57 <+giant_it_burrit> ^
20:57 < admiralspark> yep, you want whatever the new DirectAccess is called
20:58 < admiralspark> it will allow logon-gpo updates and do the needful without ever needing user intervention
20:58 < admiralspark> and seamlessly works on/off network
20:58 < admiralspark> it's a bit of work, I have a blog post I'm saving for implementation that I found, one sec
21:00 < admiralspark> https://www.cyberdrain.com/deploying-auto-vpn-or-always-on-vpn/
21:00 < admiralspark> This covers all of the autoenroll etc that you need
21:01 < admiralspark> you can also do automatic split tunneling so you're not sucking in all of their web browsing if needed, which is nice.
21:01 < mruszczyk> that's not directaccess is it?
21:02 < admiralspark> DirectAccess is what it was called before Server 2016. It's now Always-On VPN
21:03 < L3gacy> "Feeds family of six"
21:04 < L3gacy> Challenge accepted, mac and cheese box...
21:04 < khelpw> Alright, I've got an entertaining one here. Looking at a hypervisor that isn't in my network, it's sitting at ~50% memory utilization, but like 90% pagefile full
21:04 < admiralspark> oh wow
21:05 < khelpw> here's the fun part. Machine has 96GB of RAM, pagefile is set to system managed and is currently set to "279528 MB" - 280GB :D
21:05 < khelpw> and it's _STILL_ 90% full...
21:05 < admiralspark> holy shit
21:05 < abakedapplepie> woof
21:05 < Heresiarch> heh.
21:05 < abakedapplepie> jeez
21:06 < khelpw> It's a Hyper V host, with machines totaling ~56GB of assigned memory and nothing else running on it
21:06 < khelpw> Resource monitor looks like: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bi6h4LTz/image.png
21:06 < Heresiarch> does hyperv allow for hard caps on memory for VMs?
21:06 < abakedapplepie> yes
21:07 < khelpw> Yeah. Definitely a memory leak somewhere. just a matter of where.
21:07 < abakedapplepie> is one of the VMs a database or something?
21:07 < abakedapplepie> doing lots of operations?
21:08 < abakedapplepie> you do have a lot of swapping going on
21:08 < Heresiarch> either that, or one/more of the VMs needs more memory.
21:08 < khelpw> Nope. Few Developers, a DC, and a couple personal machines.
21:08 < abakedapplepie> are the VMs configured with dynamic memory or set
21:08 < khelpw> Both
21:08 < abakedapplepie> you could switch to dynamic and watch the utilization
21:08 < khelpw> some dynamic, some static
21:09 < abakedapplepie> if something is hitting its cap, increase it
21:09 < khelpw> These are shitty, pakistani devs working on 8GB RAM machines. They're _all_ hitting the cap I'm sure.
21:09 < abakedapplepie> hah
21:09 < khelpw> This is also the only HV behaving this way at the site - they have like 4.
21:10 < Heresiarch> well...at least they won't be able to bitch about their dev environments being faster than prod.
21:11 < abakedapplepie> actually
21:11 < abakedapplepie> i think you might have a bigger problem
21:12 < abakedapplepie> what version of hyper-v is this
21:12 < khelpw> IDK, Server 2k12R2
21:12 < ihre> https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-runner/issues/2582#note_61133029 -> that is a nice gitlab-ism ..
21:12 < abakedapplepie> because paging is handled within the VMs, hyper-v doesnt page for virtual machines
21:12 < abakedapplepie> so that paging is coming from the server os itself
21:12 < khelpw> Lol interesting.
21:12 < khelpw> Fucking piece of shit :D
21:12 < ihre> tl;dr do not use linux file system path names for your groups, gitlab will fuck up :D
21:13 < abakedapplepie> so, I'm assuming, this is a full Server OS and not Hyper-V Server?
21:13 < khelpw> Yep
21:13 < abakedapplepie> GUI or core?
21:13 < khelpw> gui
21:13 < abakedapplepie> why
21:13 < khelpw> (of course)
21:13 < abakedapplepie> y u do dis
21:13 < khelpw> Because "what if something goes wrong. we need to be able to click on things"
21:13 < abakedapplepie> my professional opinion is
21:13 < abakedapplepie> nuke it and set up hyper-v 2016
21:13 < khelpw> idfk. not my place.
21:13 < binaryhermit> it was connected to the shitbox
21:14 < admiralspark> did you guys miss where he said this is not his enviro?
21:14 < Heresiarch> ihre: ...that's hilarious.
21:14 < abakedapplepie> it sounds like hes still responsible for it
21:14 < khelpw> It's a similarly stupid situation to the sort of shit I run into in my own environment, so I don't blame people for making that mistake, but yeah I'm still being asked to fix it.
21:14 < admiralspark> so you have free reign at your org to rip out and rebuild virtual infra whenever you want abakedapplepie ?
21:15 < abakedapplepie> something like that? yeah, thats an easy and quick job
21:15 < abakedapplepie> and also cheap (free)
21:15 < admiralspark> khelpw: I'd honestly seriously consider offloading, moving, or disabling paging on the host OS
21:15 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: You don't work in enterprise then?
21:15 < admiralspark> this is an outage
21:15 < admiralspark> you can't just "turn it off and on again"
21:15 < ihre> s/outage/outrage
21:15 < admiralspark> huehue
21:15 < admiralspark> oh
21:15 < admiralspark> layer-eight: broken?
21:16 < khelpw> Yeah, I've already suggested they get a replacement host in there ASAP
21:16 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: if it was an enterprise scenario (which it really doesnt sound like it) you can do live migration
21:16 < ihre> Heresiarch: that had me looking in the completely wrong direction for a while :p
21:16 < abakedapplepie> so yes
21:16 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: to another host. If they have another host
21:16 < abakedapplepie> an enterprise would have another host
21:16 < admiralspark> heh
21:16 < abakedapplepie> :)
21:17 < tsarbomba> is it considered offensive to refer to a pair of millennial chechen immigrants as "the tsarnaevs"?
21:17 < admiralspark> I'd also argue a "real enterprise" wouldn't be using hyper-v with gui installed and would have it all orchestrated using config management. But that shit aint realistic
21:17 < abakedapplepie> honestly, it would be about 2-3 hours of downtime depending on how large the VMs are
21:17 < admiralspark> tsarbomba: what year were you born
21:17 < abakedapplepie> which is easy afterhours
21:17 < Heresiarch> ihre: understandable. It makes sense from a developer perspective, but obv has issues in systems. XD
21:17 < tsarbomba> back in the long-long-ago
21:18 < abakedapplepie> but as far as fixing your current problem khelpw, start looking at application logs, do an audit of server roles, find out whats running
21:18 < abakedapplepie> i shudder to think, but is it also a DC?
21:18 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: we have 3 layers of HA on-site and wan links with ha on the other end too, but it would take us days to move all of our virtual infra. Tens or hundreds of Terabytes doesn't go that fast even with 10g
21:18 < khelpw> Nope, though one of the VMs is :D
21:18 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: oh i hear you there, but this is a standalone hypervisor
21:18 < admiralspark> haha
21:18 < admiralspark> I do feel for you khelpw
21:19 < tsarbomba> b-b-b-b-but magic cloud infrastructure things uptime forever!
21:19 < admiralspark> tsarbomba: gotta host in AWS and Azure so that you always have one cloud up when the other goes down!
21:19 < tsarbomba> a cloud can go down?!?!?!
21:19 < admiralspark> Rain, man.
21:19 < tsarbomba> my entire world is crumbling :(
21:19 < abakedapplepie> khelpw: theoretically, you could turn the page file down on the hypervisor without affecting the hypervisor performance
21:19 < syere> when a cloud goes down, it's just fog. it's fine. it goes back up
21:20 < khelpw> Still requires a reboot to adjust the pagefile size
21:20 < admiralspark> When the sysadmin starts crying, that's the Cloud raining down
21:20 < ihre> ill remember to relay that message to the customer next time syere
21:20 < abakedapplepie> it would just bog down the actual OS
21:20 < khelpw> so of course that's out of the question.
21:20 < ihre> dw bby it'll be back, its just fog
21:20 < admiralspark> khelpw: oops, forgot, yeah.
21:20 < admiralspark> uhh
21:20 < syere> lol
21:20 <+NinjaStyle> oh khelpw you have an avatar thingy on irccloud
21:21 < khelpw> Ye
21:21 <+NinjaStyle> neato
21:21 < admiralspark> oh shit NinjaStyle did you combine IRC with the cloud too?!?
21:21 <+NinjaStyle> yeah i use irccloud
21:22 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:22 < admiralspark> khelpw: AFAIK you can't adjust/clean/shrink/anything with the pagefile without reboot on Windows anything
21:22 < abakedapplepie> ^
21:22 < khelpw> Yep
21:22 < abakedapplepie> the only way to fix this without downtime is to find the offending process and kill it
21:22 < abakedapplepie> but depending on what that is
21:22 < abakedapplepie> you could make the system unstable
21:22 < admiralspark> So......time to fire up a bunch of about-to-be-decomissioned W10 machines, install the hyperV role, and live migrate this ish
21:23 < admiralspark> yeah, it's likely a memory leak from soemthing running as system
21:23 < admiralspark> AKA...bad time if you roll it
21:23 < admiralspark> or
21:23 <+giant_it_burrit> khelpw: how did you get a picture
21:23 < admiralspark> maybe it's the hyperV processes ;)
21:23 < khelpw> Under account settings
21:23 < JFDkthx> man
21:23 < abakedapplepie> it shouldnt be
21:23 < khelpw> I'm pretty sure it is the hyperV processes tbh.
21:23 < abakedapplepie> its 99.999% going to come from the host os
21:23 < abakedapplepie> hyper-v doesnt page
21:23 < JFDkthx> how are you going to send me a meeting invite for something that starts in 8 minutes, and lasts for 2 hours
21:23 < khelpw> Looking through event viewer the only thing I'm finding is "the dynamic memory balancer could not balance the system due to high memory pressue"
21:23 < JFDkthx> like
21:24 < JFDkthx> forreal
21:24 < JFDkthx> i've got work to do.
21:24 < abakedapplepie> so your host os is trying to use more memory than is available
21:24 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: Yeah but do you REALLY trust Microsoft didn't add it to the paging system as well? Cmon. This is MSFT we're talking about
21:24 < khelpw> Yes, but in terms of physical memory utilization I'm at ~50%
21:24 < admiralspark> :P
21:24 < abakedapplepie> khelpw: because 65% of your memory is reserved
21:24 <+giant_it_burrit> ty khelpw
21:24 < abakedapplepie> the Os only sees whats left
21:24 < abakedapplepie> or rather uses
21:25 < L3gacy> recommendation for RAM to put in an AMD a10 9700 box?  Have 16GB DDR4 atm, and was wondering if that's fine for 10pro running hyperv
21:26 < abakedapplepie> sounds like plenty, but what are you going to host on it
21:27 < rev_strangehope> Hello
21:27 <+giant_it_burrit> guess whose fire warden?
21:27 <+giant_it_burrit> this guy
21:27 <+giant_it_burrit> because im the loudest
21:27 < abakedapplepie> wat
21:27 < abakedapplepie> are you dwight schrute
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> i told people when appointed im going down the stairs first
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> im not coming to find you
21:28 < khelpw> Right, that makes sense. the offending process in this case though is  just a local system service.
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> i m not here to be a hero
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> you appointed me
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> and as a politican ill do the minimum to stay here
21:28 < tsarbomba> bears. beets. battlestar galactica.
21:29 < L3gacy> I was going to host Debian, and Server 2016, to learn more
21:29 < L3gacy> not 24/7 tho
21:29 < abakedapplepie> khelpw what does WMIC PAGEFILE GET /VALUE say for peak value
21:29 < khelpw> Odds are, just setting the page file size manually and switching machines over to static rather than dynamic RAM should (possibly) fix this.
21:30 < khelpw> PeakUsage=262717, CurrentUsage=254894
21:30 < abakedapplepie> woof
21:30 < khelpw> Ye
21:31 < abakedapplepie> is there any non system software on the hypervisor os
21:31 < abakedapplepie> anti virus
21:31 < khelpw> Of course there's antivirus on it :D
21:31 < khelpw> not able to be removed :D
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> eww
21:31 < abakedapplepie> oh lord
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> severe exceptions made?
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> even then...
21:32 < abakedapplepie> yeah thats no bueno
21:32 < khelpw> Of course, turned way down to the point that it's basically useless anyway
21:32 < abakedapplepie> might be the root of your problem
21:32 <@JollyRgrs> AV never reveals all its secrets
21:32 < khelpw> The other 3 HVs at the site are running the same AV though
21:32 <@JollyRgrs> no matter if it is "disabled" (if the AV has such feature)... it still messes with things
21:32 < abakedapplepie> you need to hit your client with the clue stick
21:32 <@JollyRgrs> 4 times
21:32 < khelpw> 1 of em even has the same exact hardware as this
21:33 < khelpw> I don't disagree, but these guys are just backward af on security in general
21:33 <+giant_it_burrit> turn it off
21:33 <+giant_it_burrit> best security
21:33 < Heresiarch> ...or just use a hypervisor that doesn't need an AV. trollface.jpg
21:33 < abakedapplepie> let me guess, they probably think that because the hypervisor has antivirus, the virtual machines dont need it
21:34 < abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: they arent using a hypervisor that needs an av
21:34 < abakedapplepie> they are running a hypervisor in an os that needs an av
21:34 < khelpw> Nope, they think that a virus could jump from one of the VMs or other PCs/Servers in the office to the HVs
21:34 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: amusing hair-splitting is amusing.
21:34 < abakedapplepie> LO
21:34 < abakedapplepie> :P*
21:35 < xtensive> IT'S JUMPED VM'S!
21:35 < khelpw> You can't really make up this kind of thing. It's far too stupid, nobody would ever believe you.
21:35 < abakedapplepie> hey with  spectre/meltdown maybe they were rather prescient in that thought
21:36 < abakedapplepie> but their solution is garbage
21:36 < abakedapplepie> :P
21:36 < khelpw> Oh, and it's symantec :D
21:36 < abakedapplepie> kill it with fire
21:37 < khelpw> I can't even get 1 restart in, letalone the 4 + cleanwipe it'd take to get norton (kinda) off the fucker
21:37 < tsarbomba> it's exactly like what happened in that movie "outbreak". except more technical. and no monkeys, except for the admins
21:38 < xtensive> stupid monkey
21:39 < tsarbomba> lol outbreak was unseated as #1 movie in the U.S. by "tommy boy"
21:40 <@JollyRgrs> hahaha
21:40 <@JollyRgrs> TAKE THAT, BLACK PANTHER!
21:40 < khelpw> So it seems like my advice is to just replace this thing?
21:41 <@JollyRgrs> khelpw: what? SEP/norton might be trash, but their cleanwipe utils are off the chain
21:41 <@JollyRgrs> 1 reboot is all that is needed with cleanwipe
21:41 < tsarbomba> things may have changed. the old cleanup utils were notorious for sucking out loud.
21:42 < abakedapplepie> khelpw: ideal advice would be replace with hyper-v 2016
21:42 < tsarbomba> i don't remember a single cleanup from my msp days that didn't involve going to the huuuuge manual uninstall page with like 21930489056890423 registry entries and file locations to get rid of
21:42 < Heresiarch> s/cleanup/norton
21:43 < tsarbomba> no this was well within the days of symantec branding
21:43 < Heresiarch> trust me. It was before then, too.
21:43 < tsarbomba> that being said,SEP still uses "norton" to refer to components
21:43 < tsarbomba> oh sure
21:43 < tsarbomba> in my eyes symantec has always been shit to truly remove. i missed the cleanwipe revolution apparently
21:43 < Heresiarch> Norton Utilities had a reputation for sucking down system resources back in the Windows 3.1 days.
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: i never had an issue with norton cleanup utility and when i worked at a place using SEP... no difference
21:44 < Casteil> yeah... I like MSE (or windows defender now I guess) because it's low impact
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> this is going from like... 2004 to 2016 or so
21:44 < Alternity> i've never had to admin SEP
21:44 < abakedapplepie> count your blessings
21:44 < Alternity> every day baby
21:45 < Casteil> it may not offer the *best* protection but I'm not one of those cancer-stricken end users that seems to get infected with aids every time they click something
21:45 < abakedapplepie> you know what was a really great piece of software?
21:45 < abakedapplepie> symantec mail security for microsoft exchange
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> this isn't to say sym/norton never FUBARed windows so bad i had to reload it...
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> but the AV always removed right
21:45 < abakedapplepie> s/software/shit
21:45 < tsarbomba> i like mcafee because you never know when the owner might go on a ketamine bender and turn your anti-virus product into his mega botnet with a backdoor he created in 1991 and nobody ever found
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> haha
21:45 < Casteil> loll
21:45 < abakedapplepie> john mcafee hasnt had anything to do with mcafee security for like a decade
21:46 < abakedapplepie> also, mcafee REALLY SUCKS
21:46 < Casteil> >a backdoor he created in 1991 and nobody ever found
21:46 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: yeah, the people responsible for the meltdown/spectre genius are
21:46 < Casteil> also, your face REALLY SUCKS
21:46 < tsarbomba> :D
21:46 < tsarbomba> man this is a crappy way to spend a birthday. i might jet early.
21:46 < tsarbomba> pick up some laphroaig on the way home
21:47 < Heresiarch> tsarbomba: happy birthday
21:47 <@JollyRgrs> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, tsarbomba !!!!!
21:47 < tsarbomba> muchas gracias. i am officially the answer to life, the universe and everything for the next year
21:47  * tsarbomba GIANT METAL FIST OF TRIUMPH
21:47 < xtensive> 🎂
21:47 < tsarbomba> (42)
21:48 < Heresiarch> tsarbomba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEOcIYy-2FM
21:48 < Heresiarch> (nsfw lang)
21:49 < Church-> tsarbomba: Grats. It's all down hill from there.
21:49 < tsarbomba> oh god i watched deadpool for the first time a couple weeks ago
21:49 < tsarbomba> church- now's as good a time as any to implement the hunter s. thompson life plan
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: 'twas good, no?
21:50 < tsarbomba> i thoroughly enjoyed it. i can see why it rubbed some people wrong.
21:51 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, i even took my 7 yr old daughter to see it after i saw it first
21:51 <+NinjaStyle> did it? i thought it was pretty well recieved from what i remember
21:51 <@JollyRgrs> i dunno what all the fuss was about
21:51 < tsarbomba> "adult situations"
21:51 <@JollyRgrs> /s
21:51 <+NinjaStyle> it was rated R
21:51 < tsarbomba> i think everyone expects marvel stuff to be some lite version of gritty. like jessica jones.
21:51 <@JollyRgrs> it is 100% an adult movie, rated as such
21:51 < tsarbomba> (also a quality story)
21:52 < tsarbomba> or ant-man, which is flat-out goofy superhero PG goodness
21:52 <@JollyRgrs> but mommys let daddys take their 10 yr old sons and then "were shocked" at what was in a rated R movie
21:52 < Church-> Ant Man was great.
21:52 < tsarbomba> heh, yeah
21:52 < tsarbomba> i am looking forward to what they do with the new season of punisher
21:52 < tsarbomba> i think they found their guy
21:52 <@JollyRgrs> so "the rock" is supposed to do HQ trivia this afternoon
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: so it is good? i've only seen the old movie, not the tv series
21:53 < tsarbomba> the series? yeah, dark with just a hint of humor and seriously violent
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> nice
21:53 < tsarbomba> imo it finds that happy place between crazy and over-the-top that the comics (esp. the war journal) found
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> i don't read
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> i only read jurassic park and lost world
21:54 < tsarbomba> shane from the walking dead is the punisher. he did an awesome job
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> only books i read
21:54 <@JollyRgrs> i didn't even read books in HS/college... sparknotes.com had jsut came out and it was soooo nice
21:54 < tsarbomba> i read crichton's jurassic park after the movie
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> i read it after the movie, too
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> i think i read them both even after lost world was out
21:55 < derpingit> "SA Retro is tentatively set for Summer 2018" - matt3o
21:56 < derpingit> sorry. wrong windowz
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> no no, pls continue
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> we'd love eto hear more about SA Retro
21:56 <@JollyRgrs> ... psst... what is SA retro?
21:57 < derpingit> is a keyboard thing.. custom keycaps. my bad
21:57 < xtensive> San Andreas!
21:58 < tsarbomba> wow kirk douglas is 101 and still alive
21:58 < derpingit> https://i.imgur.com/SIXg5ss.jpg
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> i hate small keys... it seems like all teh mechs in the store are narrow keys... not normal size
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> but derpingit... what's that esc. key? :P
21:59 < tsarbomba> ^
21:59 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: gum by
21:59 < tsarbomba> "it's in the bag somewhere"
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> anyone know of a good "not that expensive" mech keyboard with STANDARD size keys?
21:59 < derpingit> we all have our stupid hobbies i guess :
22:00 < xtensive> whats "not that expensive" JollyRgrs ?
22:00 < tsarbomba> i still have a stash of those logitech-made dell keyboards
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> preferably under 100
22:00 < xtensive> Das
22:00 < xtensive> oh
22:00 < tsarbomba> not expensive, decent enough, no qualms about wearing thehm the fuck out
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> would be very nice is closer to 50-50
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> 50-60 even
22:00 < derpingit> full 104 keys ? arrows, numbers and function keys ?
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> i'd also love to have at least media keys for volume and playback
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> i know that's not so common on mechs
22:00 < xtensive> I personally haven't used a decent true mech keyboard under a hondo
22:00 < tsarbomba> the black and silver dell keyboards have a complement of them
22:01 < tsarbomba> plus a 2 port passive usb hub
22:01 < tsarbomba> and a pretty long cord
22:01 < tsarbomba> i think they're about $30
22:01 < tsarbomba> also logitech products
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: that's what i used at my last job
22:01 < ihre> JollyRgrs: flashable fw ftw :3
22:01 < ihre> https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware
22:01 < tsarbomba> i brought one home but it's getting old. oneo f the usb ports is dead
22:01 < ihre> just map whatever to whatever :P
22:01 < derpingit> the das has all those but you can't put custom keycaps because layout differences . if you're never gonna do that, then the das pro 4 for 100
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> ihre: i don't wanna map the "P" key to pause my music...
22:02 <@JollyRgrs> i want a phys. media key presence
22:02 < derpingit> dang. is 150, actually
22:02 < Heresiarch> das keyboards have gotten nutty on price.
22:03 < ihre> JollyRgrs: with fws like qmk you just map it to a combo, ie ralt+p=play/pause
22:03 < ihre> who uses ralt anyways :p
22:03 < ihre> or set up a layer or w/e
22:03 < ihre> but to each his own
22:03 <@JollyRgrs> ihre: oh, i just do that in the application
22:03 <@JollyRgrs> that seems pretty complicated for something available in most media players (hotkeys)
22:04 < ihre> JollyRgrs: with app instead of fw its bound to the pc that has the app instead of wherever you plug it in, or usable on mac/win/linux, stuff like that
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> ihre: i suppose... i'm not really much of a keyboard switcher
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> but i get what you are saying
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> n1 HQ... "don't Dwayne your battery"
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> har har har
22:06 <@JollyRgrs> ihre:  https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8a5e7o/look_what_you_made_me_do_you_monsters/
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> tsarbomba: any objection to a Corsair K70 LUX RGB?
22:06 <@JollyRgrs> how would you bind pause/play to that keyboard?
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> They're pretty goddamn good
22:06 <+TuxedoJack> And they have USB 2 and media
22:07 < ihre> RGB, that is the objection
22:07 <+TuxedoJack> Kumorigoe and I swear by them
22:07 < ihre> fucking leds fail more often than anything else
22:07 < ihre> and they are fun for about 3h
22:07 <+TuxedoJack> ihre: you can tune / disable LEDs
22:07 < ihre> after that, a fad
22:07 <+TuxedoJack> Hardware switches
22:07 < ihre> and when one dies, its super annoying :P
22:07 <+TuxedoJack> Also includes a Windows key blocker too
22:07 < ihre> which happens quite often
22:07 <+TuxedoJack> 4 months, haven't had one fail yet on me
22:08 <+TuxedoJack> And I'm beating the shit out of this thing 8 - 14 hours a day
22:08 <@JollyRgrs> skinny key bitches... where's my fat keyboard keys
22:08 <@JollyRgrs> this fat fingered man needs fat keys!
22:09 < ravioli> just get one of those white wired apple keyboards and be done with it
22:09 < xtensive> the little chicklet ones ravioli ?
22:10 < derpingit> not mechanical, but ..
22:10 < ravioli> idk
22:10 <+TuxedoJack> ravioli: Apple Extended Keyboard II
22:10 < ravioli> oh
22:10 < derpingit> http://cdn3.volusion.com/sfnht.szmud/v/vspfiles/photos/KB2-2.jpg
22:10 <+TuxedoJack> Those motherfuckers were AWESOME
22:10 <+TuxedoJack> https://deskthority.net/wiki/Apple_Extended_Keyboard_II
22:10 < ravioli> i meant the newer ones. not the newest...but the ones from like 2015.
22:10 < ihre> im still looking for a broken AEK2 to harvest parts, they are pretty hard to find here ;_;
22:10 < ravioli> oh that looks neat
22:11 < ravioli> i'd like to pick up a model m but i don't hate everyone i work with :(
22:11 < ravioli> i have a razer mechanical keyboard i bought back before i knew any better
22:11 < derpingit> model m is not that bad
22:12 < derpingit> they are far from anoyingly loud
22:12 < ravioli> derpingit: where can i pick up a new model m?
22:12 < ravioli> any recommendations?
22:12 <+TuxedoJack> New? Eh, Unicomp
22:12 <+TuxedoJack> http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD
22:12 < derpingit> unicomp picked up the ibm tooling and produces the model m
22:12 < Heresiarch> speaking of before I knew better - if anyone's considering getting one of the logitech romer-g keyboards, just get a cherry mx blue instead.
22:13 < derpingit> blues are really loud fyi
22:13 < Heresiarch> so's the romer-g
22:13 <+TuxedoJack> Isn't that the point, though
22:14 <+TuxedoJack> You want feedback that you're pressing the key
22:14 <+TuxedoJack> And if it just so happens to be feedback that pisses off your coworkers in the cubes nearby, all the better
22:14 < Heresiarch> feedback != noise
22:14 < xtensive> sooo much sweet feedback
22:15 < derpingit> my manager used to gimme shit for having a mechanical . he bought himself a das and never went back
22:15 < Casteil> friends don't let friends mechanical at work
22:15 < derpingit> moral of the story, you're sysadmin and can prolly afford one.. get one :)
22:15 < Casteil> dick move. mechanical keyboards (even brown or reds) are noisy as fuck
22:16 < JFDkthx> even non mechanical keyboards can be loud if theres a fucking gorilla pounding the keys
22:16 < Casteil> yeah, fair
22:16 < Casteil> I have a little logitech K-750 low profile keyboard
22:16 < Casteil> best key feel you can get IMO outside of a mechcani
22:16 < Casteil> mechanical
22:16 < JFDkthx> if you want a mechanical kb, and are worried about the noise buy orings for the switches
22:16 < derpingit> don't be like me tho. i'm like 1k into mech board shit :(
22:16 < Casteil> o-rings kinda defeat some of the benefits of mechanical kbs
22:17 < JFDkthx> no they dont
22:17 < JFDkthx> orings prevent the noise you get from bottoming out the keys
22:17 < JFDkthx> it wont stop the actuation of the switch
22:17 < Casteil> right, but they also reduce the travel distance the keys are allowed to make
22:17 < Casteil> I don't like bottoming out earlier like that
22:18 < JFDkthx> why are you bottoming out in the first place
22:18 < JFDkthx> you're using too light siwtches then
22:19 < JFDkthx> good riddance felda
22:19 < xtensive> has anyone used the DAS mouse?
22:19 < JFDkthx> GET YE GONE
22:26 < Jekotia> Any decent alternatives to ActiveDirectory for SMB? Before someone points to Microsoft, we've tried. Management will not approve the $10,000+ cost of licensing it. At this point, it's more about easing the burden on IT with GPO and centralised user accounts, if possible.
22:26 <+giant_it_burrit> ho w did you get 10k license?
22:26 < derpingit> azure will not let you do gpo btw
22:26 < derpingit> is not like a regular ad
22:27 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: 10k, plz explain
22:28 < tsarbomba> in what universe does AD cost $10,000 "to license"?
22:28 <+giant_it_burrit> netsplit?
22:28 < derpingit> yeah, wth. 10k ?
22:28 <+giant_it_burrit> thats my q
22:29 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: every attempt I've seen to replace AD has ended up in a clusterfuck of LDAP/KRB with a horror of management interfaces.
22:29 < Jekotia> Perhaps I mixed something up. I thought AD was a part of Windows Server. So, more accurately, it would cost us $10,000 to license windows server for our organisation
22:29 <+giant_it_burrit> no it doesnt
22:29 <+giant_it_burrit> not every box needs windows server
22:30 < Jekotia> I know that. But, every machine that uses the server needs an access licence or whatever they call it
22:30 < hxcsp> cal
22:30 < ravioli> ifor
22:30 < hxcsp> nia
22:30 <+giant_it_burrit> not for ad
22:30 < hxcsp> KNOWS HOW TO PARTY
22:30 < tsarbomba> uh, AD doesn't use CALs
22:31 <+giant_it_burrit> cals are if users need to use rd gateway and remote into the box
22:31  * Jekotia is a massive idiot
22:31 < derpingit> Jekotia cals are per user or per pc.. figure out where is cheaper. no alternavite to ldap , and i looked hard..
22:31 <+giant_it_burrit> server should run you <500 bucks
22:31 < tsarbomba> you shouldn't need CALs if you are keeping your users properly chained in gimp trunks
22:31 <+giant_it_burrit> ad is in there
22:31 <+giant_it_burrit> no user needs a cal if you are just looking for gpo and ad
22:31 < abakedapplepie> wow i didnt know postgresql had so much json functionality
22:31 < abakedapplepie> this is amazing
22:32 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: one of us...one of us...
22:32 < abakedapplepie> seriously amazing
22:32 < abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: every day i learn something new and amazing about postgre
22:33 < derpingit> u need a pro license of windowz tho
22:33 <+giant_it_burrit> derpingit: for?
22:33 < tsarbomba> to join the domain
22:33 < Heresiarch> giant_it_burrit: windows home won't join a domain.
22:33 < derpingit> to join an ad
22:33 <+giant_it_burrit> someone is getting kms
22:33 <+giant_it_burrit> still under 10k
22:34 < derpingit> if they have 10k worth of pc's to license, 10k is a drop in an ocean of money
22:34 < Jekotia> We have ~300 workstations
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> what versions of windows
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> if any
22:35 < mkillebrew> 3.11
22:35 < tsarbomba> all windows ME
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> stop satan
22:35 < JFDkthx> giant_it_burrit: sun os 2.5
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> NO TROLLING
22:35 < Jekotia> I don't understand these price discrepencies from Microsoft, though. Just shy of $1,900 CAD https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/store/d/windows-server-2016-standard/dg7gmgf0ds12/0004
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> plz read
22:35 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: you go to hell! You to go hell and you die!
22:35 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: i have the complete admin library for sun 2.5
22:35 <+giant_it_burrit> you are buying 10 cals
22:36 < Jekotia> OS's range from XP to 10. We have several legacy XP machines that drive manufacturing hardware
22:36 < JFDkthx> entire bookcase
22:36 < xtensive> you have 300 PC's and you're just now talking about AD and domain?
22:36 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: I already knew you were a masochist. No need to inflict it on others. ;p
22:36 < abakedapplepie> heh
22:36 < JFDkthx> :0
22:36 < Jekotia> xtensive: I'm new here. I didn't want to wait this late
22:36 < tsarbomba> are you replacing some sort of bipolar individual
22:36 < JFDkthx> Jekotia: you got a company credit card yet?
22:36 < JFDkthx> fucking expense it bro
22:37 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:37 < tsarbomba> i would lose my mind managing 300 windows PCs of varying compliance without AD
22:37 <+giant_it_burrit> https://www.cdw.com/product/Microsoft-Windows-Server-2016-Standard-license/4322548
22:37 <+TuxedoJack> Hold my beer, that's every fucking day
22:37 < Jekotia> I get to run around dealing with the mess that is years of bare-minimum cheap-skate IT
22:37 <+TuxedoJack> Times ten
22:37 < tsarbomba> especially when some are XP and can't actually fucking do anything safely
22:37 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: you know how to image?
22:37 < abakedapplepie> why the need for xp
22:37 < xtensive> are they just workgrouped together now Jekotia ?
22:37 < JFDkthx> "legacy"
22:37 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: I ran SunOS 2.5 on x86. The horror, the horror...
22:37 < JFDkthx> eesh
22:37 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Industrial equipment attached to the machine
22:37 < derpingit> move all your xp machines to vm (free i think?) and get win10 pro licenses
22:37 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: BeOS on x86
22:37 <+giant_it_burrit> they should be off network
22:37 <+TuxedoJack> Good times
22:37 < Jekotia> xtensive: Not even that...
22:37 < abakedapplepie> oh ok
22:38 < abakedapplepie> i see
22:38 <+giant_it_burrit> TuxedoJack: get that bad juju out of here
22:38 < abakedapplepie> i thought you meant maybe legacy LOB
22:38 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: im converting my solaris 8 nis master to centos 7 here soon.
22:38 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: how much control do you have
22:38 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: alas, that it didn't take.
22:38 <+TuxedoJack> giant_it_burrit: you shut your whore mouth, that was good
22:38 < tsarbomba> abakedapplepie, one of my clients in #mspland was a factory that ran six- and seven-figure CNC machines on platforms like windows 2000, windows nt 4.0, and one on freebsd 4.3
22:38 < abakedapplepie> which, to i say, make one xp vm and share it
22:38 < Jekotia> It's a clusterfuck of bandaids and "this will work for this case" (we have 7 different VM's serving some form of network storage)
22:38 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: \o/
22:38 < Heresiarch> grats!
22:38 <+giant_it_burrit> TuxedoJack: my butthole is closed. ty for you concern
22:38 < abakedapplepie> tsarbomba: i am intimiately familiar with manufacturing and legacy operating systems
22:38 < abakedapplepie> sadly
22:38 < abakedapplepie> especailyl when said computers suddenly give up the ghost
22:39 < tsarbomba> what the fuck is wrong with CNC programmers that they need an operating system which by all accounts should not even have available media any more
22:39 < tsarbomba> oh yeah
22:39 < tsarbomba> i remember when the win2000 box fell over
22:39 < tsarbomba> nightmare
22:39 < abakedapplepie> my buddy's dad owns a rather well off cnc shop
22:39 < Jekotia> giant_it_burrit: Technically, all of it. I have unfettered access to everything. As far as what I'm allowed to do, that is more limited. My manager is old-school IT.
22:39 <+giant_it_burrit> well ask what you can do
22:39 < abakedapplepie> up until 2009, he had his ENTIRE digital inventory on a windows 98 se box
22:39 < abakedapplepie> no backups
22:39 < abakedapplepie> all the drawings, cad files, etc
22:39 < derpingit> all i'
22:39 <+giant_it_burrit> id image every machine i could and have it join ad
22:39 < tsarbomba> what was more comical was that the vendor had to go through a list of ancient-ass operating systems to find the kind of image we needed
22:39 < Jekotia> giant_it_burrit: He doesn't want me to do anything. He thinks it's a waste of time
22:39 < tsarbomba> then when their rep came on site THEY HAD THE WRONG ONE ANYWAY
22:39 < tsarbomba> so he had to fly back and forth the next day
22:40 <+giant_it_burrit> that isnt oldschool it
22:40 <+giant_it_burrit> any backups
22:40 <+giant_it_burrit> thats a disaster waiting to happen
22:40 < derpingit> all i'm saying is that in an environment where theere are 300 workstations, a 10k should sound cheap. i don't wanna doubt the OP, but i feel something's missing
22:40 <+giant_it_burrit> ^
22:41 < tsarbomba> 300 workstations, $10k is like a departmental ram upgrade
22:41 <+giant_it_burrit> im seeing kms 2 ad machines and imaging
22:41 <+giant_it_burrit> get everything up to 10 if possible
22:41 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: start making notes about how much time you spend for ridiculous manual crap. Bonus points if you can show where projects/production has been slowed down due to you having to touch a machine manually.
22:41 < tsarbomba> get everything on an OS that actually isn't a huge security hole
22:41 < tsarbomba> that alone might cost north of $10k
22:41 <+giant_it_burrit> so 98
22:41 <+giant_it_burrit> tsarbomba: if they get vl and kms it shouldnt
22:41 < JFDkthx> man i wish i had a usb drive.
22:41 <+giant_it_burrit> right?
22:42 < Jekotia> This whole CAL thing is confusing me. So, I don't need a CAL for a workstation that uses the AD server for user logins?
22:42 < tsarbomba> hopefully not. who knows how many XPs they have to replace
22:42 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: no
22:42 < abakedapplepie> Jekotia:no
22:42 < tsarbomba> that's what ADDS does
22:42 < tsarbomba> among other things
22:42 < abakedapplepie> im actually not even sure what regular user cals are for... lol
22:42 < abakedapplepie> rds has its own cals
22:42 < abakedapplepie> exchange has its own cals
22:42  * tsarbomba considers picking up a piping hot margherita pizza on the way home
22:43 < Jekotia> Well I'm going to blame MS's phrasing "*CALs are required for every user or device accessing a server." I can't be the only one that finds that confusing
22:43 < abakedapplepie> oh, no youre not
22:43 < abakedapplepie> microsoft licensing basically requires a phd to understand
22:43 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: plz let us help you
22:43 <+giant_it_burrit> it hurts me
22:43 < tsarbomba> your first mistake is listening to what microsoft says
22:43 <+giant_it_burrit> ^
22:44 < tsarbomba> and even now i can see hunterkll breaking every piece of furniture in his hotel room sprinting for his computer to contest that
22:44 <+giant_it_burrit> tsarbomba: his leg is still a bit off
22:44 <+giant_it_burrit> so hes briskly walking
22:45 < tsarbomba> jesus he heals slower than my ancient mother
22:45 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:45 < abakedapplepie> maybe its all the drugs and alcohol
22:45 < JFDkthx> tsarbomba: its because he keeps hurting on hookers
22:45 <+giant_it_burrit> well if he didnt smoke like a chimney
22:45 < JFDkthx> hurting it on*
22:45 < abakedapplepie> and hookers
22:46 < tsarbomba> treating the body like a starter automobile
22:46 < JFDkthx> and aggressively whacking off to is 2k computer
22:46 < JFDkthx> er
22:46 < JFDkthx> proc
22:46 < xtensive> lol
22:46 < abakedapplepie> oh god
22:46 < abakedapplepie> did anyone see that mattress test video
22:46 < abakedapplepie> xD
22:46 < JFDkthx> yes
22:46 < JFDkthx> fucking great video
22:46 < tsarbomba> you have to admit that 480p video on pornhub looks so much better through $1900 worth of vidyacards
22:46 < JFDkthx> the fucking spit part
22:46 < abakedapplepie> i liked the self spank
22:47 <+giant_it_burrit> tsarbomba: ive never lowered my self to that
22:47 < tsarbomba> HD pr0n only ride or die
22:47 < JFDkthx> tsarbomba: felda has everything in raw
22:47 < tsarbomba> irccloud is having itself another shitfit of a day huh
22:47 < JFDkthx> get it from him
22:47 < Jekotia> "Essentials
22:47 < Jekotia> For Windows Server 2016 Essentials, what would "Small businesses with up to 25 users and 50 devices" mean regarding devices?
22:47 < felda> JFDkthx I get all my DNS Blocklists RAW
22:48 < felda> all my Snort lists RAW
22:48 < JFDkthx> kek
22:48 <+giant_it_burrit> Jekotia: get standard
22:48 < felda> my camera shoots RAW
22:48 < tsarbomba> essentials is the replacement for SBS
22:48 < felda> tsarbomba yes it is
22:48 < abakedapplepie> its garbage
22:48 < tsarbomba> it has no real place in a 300 workstation business
22:48 < felda> it's alright if you have less than 20 users
22:48 < felda> which is me
22:48 < abakedapplepie> no its not
22:48 < abakedapplepie> its garbage
22:48 < felda> ur garbage
22:48 < tsarbomba> ur a towel
22:48 < abakedapplepie> i tried finding that video felda
22:48 < Jekotia> Ah, so that user and device count is not por phrashing, but a literal "25 people, 50 computers"?
22:49 < felda> abakedapplepie maybe you're thinking of Windows Server Foundation
22:49 < Jekotia> *poor
22:49 < tsarbomba> i suspect it's an artificial limitation built into the ADDS on essentials
22:49 < Sousapro> anyone here use PDQ Inventory/ PDQ Deploy?
22:49 < abakedapplepie> no bueno tho
22:49 < abakedapplepie> do you remember the context? did he kill me?
22:49 < abakedapplepie> shroud
22:49 < tsarbomba> i can't say further on account of i've never used essentials and i worked on SBS nightmares often enough to swear off SBS completely
22:49 < felda> no the clip may be lost forever
22:49 < tsarbomba> if i caught wind that an org had SBS when i was interviewing i bounced
22:49 < felda> nah it was just the kill feed
22:49 < Sousapro> felda, plz help
22:49 < abakedapplepie> his streams are still up from the weekend
22:49 < abakedapplepie> oh ok
22:49 < abakedapplepie> well thats boring
22:49 < felda> tsarbomba When I was hired in 2013 we had SBS 2003 32bit
22:50 < derpingit> dang.. this had me lookup ms volume licensing. such a clusterfuk
22:50 < felda> Server 2012R2 is a godsend
22:50 < abakedapplepie> derpingit: like i said, it takes a phd
22:50 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:50 < tsarbomba> at least they gave you two years to get compliant
22:50 < abakedapplepie> felda: 16 is even better
22:50 < felda> yeah I know ;_:
22:50 < xtensive> you only need CALs if you are hosting file sharing, print services, etc, etc
22:50 < tsarbomba> i know someone who was hired last year into a shop festooned with 2003 including a jacked-up SBS server running the AD
22:50 < derpingit> so you need pro to start with in order to get an enterprise upgrade.. then you can do per month or in full,, then.. they lost me there
22:50 < Sousapro> Server 2016 is the rich corinthian leather of windows servers
22:51 < derpingit> lol
22:51  * Sousapro gets jacked like ricardo montalban
22:51 < tsarbomba> WELCOME
22:51 < tsarbomba> TO FANTASY ISLAND
22:51 < derpingit> it would be cool if linux had an exact replacement for ldap that didn't require to license the OS. they would kill in that space
22:52 < Heresiarch> derpingit: there's several. But the management interfaces are horrible, and there's too much integration to be able to altogether kill AD.
22:52 < derpingit> i mean.. you need a Windows 10 Pro GGWA license and that's aleady like 200/machine. wtf :O
22:52 <+giant_it_burrit> derpingit: why not kms
22:53 < derpingit> kms is the licensing agent. you still need to have paid per machine license
22:53 < grumplestiltzki> wat? I thought CALs were for terminal services type things.   like, you shouldn't need a CAL for a machine to use a print server, but you do for a RDP session - unless things have changed
22:54  * giant_it_burrit is naughty and bought 1 license then kms everything :)
22:54 < derpingit> rdp has its own license afaik
22:54 < tsarbomba> tomorrow is "wawa day". free cup of coffee at every wawa.
22:54 < derpingit> lol
22:54 < abakedapplepie> yeah i wasnt aware that any user accessing anything on the domain required a cal
22:54 < abakedapplepie> but... hmm
22:55 < derpingit> you and half the world, but a real business will have to go bankrupt if ms audits
22:55 < xtensive> it used to be that you had to have a CAL if you were accessing a print server, file server, etc.  Server came with like 25 built in or something
22:55 < abakedapplepie> Does my Multifunction Printer need a CAL?
22:55 < abakedapplepie> Yes, if the multifunction printer is connected to a Windows Server network.  A multifunction printer accesses server software to; receive an IP address, to receive a job, to communicate that the job is finished, etc.  In short, it communicates with the server software.
22:55 <+giant_it_burrit> they are just looking for ad
22:55 <+giant_it_burrit> and gpo
22:55 < derpingit> abakedapplepie you need a pro + license to be able to join an ad.. the ad does the client management
22:55 < abakedapplepie> sounds like according to that even dhcp clients need a CAL
22:55 < abakedapplepie> o.0
22:55 < xtensive> but per processor licensing supersedes that too
22:55 < tsarbomba> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/volume-licensing/2014/03/10/licensing-how-to-when-do-i-need-a-client-access-license-cal/
22:56 < abakedapplepie> yeah thats where i am tsakou[m]
22:56 < abakedapplepie> tsarbomba
22:56 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: What if my business is staffed by Multi-Function printers? This sounds like racial taxation.
22:56 < tsarbomba> no poll taxes!
22:56 < xtensive> that's basically saying you do *IF* you are managing the print queue/jobs etc through windows print services though abakedapplepie
22:57 < tsarbomba> NAACP national association for the advancement of CAL purchasers
22:57 < derpingit> in short, you need a cal for internal users
22:57 < xtensive> if it's just hanging out on the network and clients are printing directly to it then it wouldn't need one
22:58 < derpingit> i guess you would have to set an ip manually ?
22:58 < tsarbomba> Server software licensed using CALs permits up to 2 users or devices to access the server software for the purposes of administration without CALs.  However, if your administrators also use the software for anything other than administration (for example, they check their email), CALs will be required for them as well.
22:59 < tsarbomba> and if you open a browser to look something up for the 5 seconds you're on a server managing it, CAL requirement kicks in
22:59 < derpingit> lol
22:59 < Jekotia> derpingit: I would think you can still DHCP like you do now
22:59 < grumplestiltzki> OH, right, I remember, back in 2k, 2003 era, maybe NT - you had to choose 'per seat' or 'per server' licensing
22:59 < tsarbomba> microsoft needs to get their shit together, fire the chinglish product documentation writers, and start fresh
22:59 < derpingit> Jekotia then that device would be using server resources.. need cal
22:59 < xtensive> if you would just give Edge a fair chance, we'll throw in 2 extra CAL's for 30 day trial
22:59 < derpingit> maybe that's the reason they don';t sell directy.. you need to go through a reseller that knows this shit
23:00 < Jekotia> derpingit: I feel like I'm missing something. Surely you can DHCP without the WIndows Server getting involved
23:00 < tsarbomba> requiring CALs for dhcp seems ridiculous. all dhcp is doing, for the most part (and for all functional purposes) is allowing the client to access the server
23:00 < derpingit> xtensive lol
23:00 < tsarbomba> sure you can set all the machines static but "windows is doing dhcp" is a dumb rationale for CALs
23:01 < Heresiarch> tsarbomba: probably to reinforce the "if it's using a windows resource, it needs a CAL" mentality.
23:01 < Jekotia> I must be missing something. From my PoV, it looks like people are saying "If you have Windows Server, you can't use a separate DHCP server"
23:02 < abakedapplepie> oh no you can
23:02 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: you absolutely can use a separate DHCP server. Most places don't bother.
23:02 < abakedapplepie> SBS would get really angry if you did but every other server version is fine
23:02 < abakedapplepie> SBS was a nightmare
23:02 < abakedapplepie> thank god its dead
23:02 < derpingit> ok. so use router and dns from your router.. FreeIPA for kerberos. nginx for web server .. what else
23:02 < derpingit> lol
23:03 < xtensive> how are you managing DHCP now derpingit ?
23:03 < Jekotia> Heresiarch: We use SonicWall and VPN tunnelling to link multiple locations. Each location manages it's own IP address assignments on their SonicWall appliance. I don't think Windows Server would be a good replacement in that case.
23:03 < abakedapplepie> hes probably not, lol
23:03 < xtensive> we like to let our clients self-assign, no judgement here
23:03 < abakedapplepie> lol
23:03 < derpingit> i don't .. i'm a tiny tiny rat in a big wheel. our computer ops department does networking, our academic computing handles licensing.. i just do the little guy stuff
23:03 < abakedapplepie> "Whats the IP Scheme?" "What do you want it to be?"
23:04 < derpingit> i like hanging out here with the big boys trying to learn new things :)
23:04 < abakedapplepie> eh
23:04 < abakedapplepie> we all have our wheelhouses
23:04 < xtensive> sounds like that is a NMFP then for you derpingit for DHCP licensing if it is already taken care of by other means
23:05 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: that's a common configuration in SMB. No worries.
23:05 < derpingit> well. the kicker with AD is that it needs to have dhcp and dns integration to work properly
23:05 < derpingit> so . cal's needed. lol
23:05 < Heresiarch> cals would be needed anyway.
23:06 < Nightcinder> i think i'm saving energy? https://i.imgur.com/OHDfTaO.png
23:06 <+giant_it_burrit> so many leafs
23:06 < derpingit> i wonder how much the whole ms 365 package costs per machine... you know.. windows/office
23:06 < Nightcinder> my electric bill doesn't seem to save it
23:10 < Jekotia> FFS. Seeing material saying you DO need a CAL for every user authenticating with the AD server. I'm just going to go home and eat until I cry about how shitty MS licensing is.
23:11 < Nightcinder> find a reputable VAR
23:11 < Nightcinder> they'll tell you what you need
23:11 < derpingit> dis right here...
23:12 < Nightcinder> they do it for a living so they know the licensing
23:12 < grumplestiltzki> even then, they have specific people 'microsoft champions' they are called.    frigging 'champion' certified, who explain the licensing.
23:12 < derpingit> it won'd be 10k for 300 workstatiosn tho..lol
23:13 < Nightcinder> what does he need CAL's for?
23:13 < gnupluslinux> every damn thing
23:13 < derpingit> every pc using server resources needs one
23:13 < Nightcinder> not necessarily
23:15 <+DomLS3> .value btc
23:15 <+DomLS3> Current BTC (Bitcoin) value: 6891.82 (USD)
23:15 <+DomLS3> that’s ruff
23:15 < Nightcinder> .value DomLS3
23:15 <+DomLS3> Current DomLS3 (God) value: priceless
23:15 < xtensive> s/priceless/worthless
23:16 <+CheckYourSix> Anyone running Calibre/LazyLibrarian?
23:21 < derpingit> eli5 .. so if i had 1000 bitcoins i could cash all those out at any time for the market value price?
23:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> later haters
23:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> derpingit: it works like stock, someone would have a buy order and stuff
23:21 < gnupluslinux> derpingit, no
23:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> unlikely you'd sell them all at that price
23:21 < gnupluslinux> you'd have to find someone willing to buy them at market value all at once
23:22 < gnupluslinux> coins is like stocks, each one really one worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it which i guess really goes for any good
23:22 < derpingit> ah. .so like . putting up an ad on graigslist someone could come up and say. hey.. i'll give you three fiddy
23:22 < gnupluslinux> basically
23:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
23:22 < technonerd> theres localbitcoins too
23:23 <+DomLS3> derpingit: I’ll buy 1000 bitcoins from you at three fiddy a piece
23:23 < derpingit> how would this work for paying at retail stores.. or even estores like dell and such
23:23 < xtensive> holy shit BTC is down to ~$6800
23:23 <+DomLS3> yep
23:23 <+DomLS3> and NANO is down to like 4 something
23:23 <+DomLS3> .value nano
23:23 <+DomLS3> Current NANO (Nano) value: 5.18 (USD)
23:23 < xtensive> LTC $114 D:
23:23 <+DomLS3> low 5
23:23 < derpingit> i don't have any, but i'm thinking about making a time machine so might as well know beforehand
23:23 <+DomLS3> .value eth
23:23 <+DomLS3> Current ETH (Ethereum) value: 419.65 (USD)
23:23 <+CheckYourSix> When will it go to nothing?
23:23 < derpingit> i'll cut you into a kickstarter for 3fiddy tho
23:24 < xtensive> sell it all in December 2017 when there is a feeding frenzy and all time highs derpingit
23:24 < vinrock> SELL YO BABIES AND BUY BUY BUY!
23:24 < gnupluslinux> derpingit, thats the thing about currency with no real backing and going pretty much solely off market determined price
23:24 < xtensive> or just jot down the lotto numbers tonight before you head back in time
23:24 <+DomLS3> tonight not so much
23:24 <+DomLS3> back when powerball was 1 billion
23:24 <+DomLS3> yes
23:24 < derpingit> xtensive i read bad luck comes with winning the lottery, so i'm out
23:24 < gnupluslinux> xtensive, i hear they finally passed a law in cali where the lotto winner doesnt have to identify upon collection
23:25 <+DomLS3> gnupluslinux: I could care less if people knew my name if I won. I would be moving far far away anyway
23:25 <+DomLS3> and after a week nobody would remember the name anyway
23:25 < derpingit> my family members would probably shank me for 100 dlls.. rather not sweeten the pot
23:25 < xtensive> you'd get hounded for years by people trying to get a piece of that pie
23:25 <+DomLS3> No I wouldn’t
23:26 <+DomLS3> because I’d move far away from anyone I know
23:26 <+DomLS3> and change my phone number
23:26 <+CheckYourSix> I think there's like 10 states that allow you to stay anonymous. Maybe less
23:26 < xtensive> you've put a lot of thought into this DomLS3
23:26 <+DomLS3> xtensive: Not really
23:26 <+DomLS3> I think that’s something most people would do if they won the lottery
23:26 < derpingit> i can't imagine that being a solution for me tho.. childhood friends, family... do you just say fuck it all for pieces of paper?
23:27 <+DomLS3> derpingit: abso-fuckin-lutely
23:27 < derpingit> lol
23:27 < gnupluslinux> if history is anything to go by then yes
23:27 < xtensive> pieces of paper that can buy you hookers and drugs!
23:27 < derpingit> i love my momma man..
23:27 <+DomLS3> because at that time, all they see you for is $$$
23:27 < tsarbomba> so many paper bitcoin millionaires
23:27 <+DomLS3> anytime they run into hard times... “hey derpingit, could I hold $100?”
23:28 < tsarbomba> $100 to never have to see that person again?
23:28 < tsarbomba> sounds like a bargain
23:28 < derpingit> aaaaaand it;s gone..
23:28 <+DomLS3> tsarbomba: If you gave them $100 they would come back for me
23:28 < derpingit> all of it.. gone. -southpark
23:28 <+DomLS3> To never see them again... you just move away
23:28 <+DomLS3> and don’t have to pay them shit
23:28 < derpingit> lol
23:28 <+DomLS3> come back for more*
23:29 < derpingit> but mah frieeeeeendzz
23:29 < derpingit> ok i changed my mind.. i'll win the lotto
23:29 <+DomLS3> you’ll make new friends
23:29 <+DomLS3> new friends who won’t even know you won the lottery lol
23:29 < derpingit> maybe i can afford a pro license of windows 10
23:30 < derpingit> pay for my own netflix
23:30 <+DomLS3> get a mail order bride from russia
23:30 < derpingit> enjoy the simple pleasures of life.. like.. a full tank of gas
23:30 <+DomLS3> who barely speaks english
23:30 < zehdeh> Hi, has somebody here ever worked with Oracle RAC? I don't get why they'd recommend using NFS for a cluster
23:30 < derpingit> you mean from slovenia, right?
23:31 < silentfury> zehdeh: i suggest you put them on the RAC as you try to get support from them.
23:31 < gnupluslinux> hunterkll probably has
23:31 < gnupluslinux> no one say his name tho
23:31 < felda> Did you guys know that firewalls don't necessarily like it when you add 2 million domains to your DNS blocklist?
23:32 < gnupluslinux> felda, im pretty sure with all my lists in pfblockerng's dnsbl there's a fair number in mine
23:32 < gnupluslinux> maybe git better hardware boyeee
23:33 <+CheckYourSix> felda: Maybe use some better than pfSense...
23:33 <+CheckYourSix> Pi-hole + Untangle = win
23:33 < gnupluslinux> you mean opnsense?
23:33 <+CheckYourSix> I have over 1 million domains in my blocklist on Pi-hole and it doesn't even blink
23:34 < felda> CheckYourSix well maybe if Unbound weren't such a sack of shite it could handle 2 million domains being loaded
23:34 < felda> gnupluslinux i5 with 8GB of RAM and 50GB SSD isnt' good enough?
23:34 < ihre> felda: dnscrypt + one of https://dnscrypt.info/public-servers
23:34 < gnupluslinux> what a terribad setup felda
23:35 < gnupluslinux> damn i've totally forgotten wtf im running mine on lol
23:35 < felda> ihre I doubt pfsense will ever 100% support DNScrypt
23:35 < gnupluslinux> i think its like a pentium tho lol
23:37 < ihre> felda: install the binary manually, is being built and packaged for a bunch of arch/os'es, check the dnscrypt-proxy2 github release page
23:37 < ihre> also got the ERL/mips64 package there
23:38 < felda> yeah but I'm already using 1.1.1.1 with TLS and DNSSEC along with a special domain rebound to BIND which is also on my pfsense which forces specific websites like netflix to not use my IPv6 Proxy Tunnel
23:38 < ihre> Pretty sure I saw bsd/pfsense on it
23:38 < felda> yeah I read that there is a package for BSD, just really unlikely to be a package for it
23:38 < felda> a package for pfsense*
23:39 < ihre> Just extract it to a path
23:39 < ihre> Don't really matter if it's packaged
23:39 < felda> is DNScrypt gonna block porn domains for me?
23:40 < ihre> If you pick a resolver that blocks xxx, yes
23:40 < felda> which not what I want to do lol
23:40 < gnupluslinux> oh fuck felda im running mine off a celeron lol
23:40 < felda> I'm using pfblockerng to make my own DNS blocklist at the firewall level
23:40 < felda> just hooks into Unbound which is the default built in DNS for pfsense
23:40 < gnupluslinux> celeron n3150
23:40 < khelpw> So update on that fucked Hyper-V host. Got a restart in. Changed pagefile to manually managed and set it to match the amount of RAM in the system (96GB)
23:40 < khelpw> No improvement.
23:41 < khelpw> :D
23:41 < felda> actually mine is a Intel Atom C2758
23:42 < gnupluslinux> how do i know if mine's doing dns over tls
23:43 < Sousapro> khelpw: hyper-v in prod
23:43 < Sousapro> I'm sorry
23:43 < khelpw> :D
23:43 < ihre> gnupluslinux: tcpdump your resolver ip, if you see queries on 53 its not over tls :p
23:43 < khelpw> if you are sad for me because of that, just cover your ears lol
23:43 < ihre> if you see traffic to dst host <resolverip> over 443
23:43 < Sousapro> I think Hyper-V is pretty decent now
23:43 < khelpw> finna nuke this host from orbit.
23:44 < Sousapro> but
23:44 < Sousapro> ESXi is excellent
23:44 < Sousapro> unless you screw up config or use unapproved hardware, I can't remember having an issue on it
23:44 < xtensive> hyper-v with the GUI is even better
23:44 < Sousapro> xtensive: wait, running a hypervisor with a gui?
23:44 < Sousapro> O.o
23:44 < xtensive> D:
23:45 < xtensive> we were here when I first started
23:45 < ihre> https://dnsleaktest.com/ -> dig/nslookup the resolver record, tcpdump dst host that ip
23:45 < xtensive> now we are all ESXi tho
23:45 < Sousapro> lemme play the new doom on the bare metal for the SQL hypervisor
23:45 < Sousapro> I mean, if we're letting GUIs in why not steam?
23:46 < Sousapro> Mission Critical gibbing
23:46 < khelpw> For those who weren't here earlier. This is a 2k12R2 server, w/gui running Hyper-V...and Symantec endpoint which I cannot remove :D
23:46 < xtensive> might as well install office on there too just in case
23:46 < Sousapro> khelpw: step 1, upgrade SEP to SEP14
23:46 < khelpw> Hosting, among other things, a DC
23:46 < Sousapro> jesus
23:46 < khelpw> :D
23:46 < khelpw> just smile, man.
23:46 < khelpw> certainly all I can do.
23:48 < xtensive> is it not working khelpw ?
23:48 < khelpw> anywuts. some sort of a memory leak going on here. Primarily dynamic RAM assignment to the 10 VMs hosted on this box, not all at peak but total they only have like 56GB of RAM between them all. The host has 96GB
23:48 < khelpw> shouldn't be cracking a sweat.
23:49 < khelpw> Only process showing considerably memory consumption under task manager is SVCHost.exe
23:49 < khelpw> considerable*
23:49 < gnupluslinux> svchost could be fucking anything though
23:50 < khelpw> Ye
23:50 < khelpw> S'gud.
23:50 < gnupluslinux> whatever happened to that ivanf guy
23:50 < Sousapro> khelpw: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-hyper-v-server-2016
23:50 < Sousapro> it says evaluate but is full version
23:50 < Sousapro> lol
23:50 < gnupluslinux> isnt that how it always is
23:51 < khelpw> Not an option yet. Gotta figure out where to migrate the VMs and make that happen first.
23:51 < Sousapro> khelpw: how long can they be down for?
23:51 < Sousapro> mission critical right?
23:51 < khelpw> Of course :D
23:51 < Sousapro> :D
23:51 < xtensive> if you open resource monitor and find the scvhost that is using all the memory you should be able to drill down what ius running under it
23:52 < Sousapro> gonna reboot the server that has everyone's personal smb share on it
23:52 < Sousapro> wish me luck
23:52 < Sousapro> :P
23:52 < khelpw> I've got a PID 1108 and svchost.exe (netsvcs) so....everything.
23:52 < xtensive> make sure to leave your desk while that is occuring Sousapro
23:53 < khelpw> No real way to expand that further, as far as I'm aware.
23:54 < xtensive> I usually choose the CPU tab and then check the svchost I'm curious about and it lists what all is running under it
23:55 < khelpw> Yeah, like I said, basically everything. WMI, Windows Update, RDP, Task scheduler, System event notifications etc etc
23:55 < khelpw> Group policy, certs, BITS
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