--- Log opened Thu Apr 19 00:00:04 2018
--- Day changed Thu Apr 19 2018
00:00 <+DomLS3> set-owavirtualdirectory -externalurl “exchange2016.doma.com” -internalurl “exchange2016.domain.com”
00:00 <+DomLS3> same for all of them
00:00 <+DomLS3> from the 2010 box ^
00:00 <+DomLS3> then point external autodiscover and all mail to your 2016 server
00:00 <+DomLS3> should be good to go after that
00:01 < Gencade> DrGibby|: How is your day going
00:05 < Bru-> DomLS3: ahh theres probably my hang up
00:06 < Bru-> DomLS3: so both autodiscovers should point only to 2016 server, right?
00:19 < xe0n> Bru-: correct
00:19 < tsarbomba> helldesk has not had a good day today
00:19 < tsarbomba> even by their relatively low standards
00:20 <@cryptic1> i blame tsarbomba
00:21 < Bru-> xe0n: is it odd that i dont currently have internalurl assigned for either of those line items?
00:28 < rootsudo> hey guys, let's make an MSP
00:28 < rootsudo> we'll call it all star mSP and make it baseball themed
00:29 < rootsudo> we'll all work remote and can live in asia as we make 100k/yr salaries
00:29 < rootsudo> whose in
00:29 < Gencade> I blame cryptic1
00:29 < Gencade> cryptic1: enjoys sticking jackhammers in his facehole
00:30 <@cryptic1> :>
00:30 < Gencade> I didn't see a denial
00:34 < Bru-> DomLS3, xe0n: thanks for your help guys
00:37 < DrGibby|> hi Gencade
00:37 < Gencade> no but i wish I was DrGibby|
00:37 < DrGibby|> pretty well, hope yours is too
00:37 < Gencade> it's almost friday
00:37 < DrGibby|> it is
00:40 <@cryptic1> its only monday
00:40 <@cryptic1> are you guys high again
00:40 < DrGibby|> https://media.giphy.com/media/mQNcvtxus4cBW/giphy.gif
00:41 < xtensive> is that you cryptic1 ?
00:42 < DrGibby|> -_-
00:42  * cryptic1 smirks
00:42 < DrGibby|> literal op aboose
00:43 < xtensive> lol
00:43 < xtensive> is it almost time to go?
00:43 < xamithan> Go ahead
00:44 < xtensive> yo boss, xamithan said it was cool if I leave early
00:44 < xamithan> Its like past 7pm
00:44  * DrGibby| hires xamithan 
00:44 < DrGibby|> go home
00:44 < DrGibby|> err
00:44 < xtensive> it's quarter to five here
00:44  * DrGibby| fires xamithan 
00:44  * DrGibby| hires xtensive 
00:44 < DrGibby|> go home
00:45 < xtensive> woo!
00:45  * DrGibby| fires xtensive 
00:45  * xtensive collects severance check 
00:45 < DrGibby|> at will state, no severance for you
00:45 < DrGibby|> also, within the 90-day probation
00:46 < DrGibby|> double FUCKED
00:46 < rootsudo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3sr7_0FyPA
00:46 <+layer-eight> YouTube How Does The Internet Find James May? | Earth Lab by 2013-05-10T09:07:44.000Z (duration: 5:28) on Fri May 10 16:07:44 UTC 2013, 2013-05-10T09:07:44.000Z views
00:46 < xtensive> 90 second
00:47 < Hatsjoe> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY-0uBIYYKk
00:47 <+layer-eight> YouTube TESS Mission by 2018-04-15T22:38:53.000Z (duration: stream) on Mon Apr 16 05:38:53 UTC 2018, 2018-04-15T22:38:53.000Z views
00:51 < Gencade> op abuse op abuse
00:51 <@cryptic1> import-module activedirectory
00:51 <@cryptic1> shit
00:51 < Gencade> all aboard the fuck cryptic1  train
00:51 < Gencade> choo choo
00:52 < rootsudo> There's a band called 1023 MB. They haven't had any gigs yet.
00:52 < DrGibby|> awww I missed the launch
00:52  * DrGibby| strangles rootsudo 
00:52 < rootsudo> Whats a good book to review sysadmin things
00:54 < Gencade> rootsudo: the bible
00:57 < Sousapro> ugh, got a problem
00:57 < Sousapro> have two sites, one site only has one DC
00:57 < rootsudo> DrGibby| i can see my home in the bckground
00:57 < Sousapro> and it's DFS replication on SYSVOL stopped 800 days ago
00:57 < Hatsjoe> DrGibby|: you're not too late for the landing of stage 1
00:57 < rootsudo> Sousapro job security
00:58 < xe0n> 800 days, that's not too long :P
00:58 < Sousapro> I told it to restart but is complaining about stale AF data
00:58 < DrGibby|> yeah watching now
00:58 < Gencade> Sometimes I wonder if sysadmins make up more acronyms than any other job title.
00:58 < Sousapro> xe0n: apparently DFS thinks that anything longer than 60 is right out
00:58 < Sousapro> anyone know of any shortcuts to get it to just flush all data and sync new
00:58 < Sousapro> I don't want to have to do the D4 thing with 10 steps
00:58 < Sousapro> lol
00:59 < Sousapro> I got in at 9am so I'm getting cranky lol
00:59 < Gencade> s/got/got it
00:59 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "I got it in at 9am so I'm getting cranky lol"
00:59 < Gencade> s/cranky/frisky
00:59 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "I got it in at 9am so I'm getting frisky lol"
01:00 < Gencade> ah, much better
01:00 < Sousapro> s/it in/corncobbed by a rusty mop
01:00 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "I got corncobbed by a rusty mop at 9am so I'm getting frisky lol"
01:00 < Gencade> D:
01:00 < Sousapro> the smile is from lockjaw
01:00 < Hatsjoe> It never ceases to amaze me, landing a bloody rocket back on earth on a ship
01:01 < Sousapro> here's a different question: I hate this DC anyway so I was preparing a replacement. how would a site act if there were no DCs on it?
01:01 < rootsudo> wow
01:01 < Sousapro> no logon server errors?
01:01 < rootsudo> Hatsjoe +1
01:01 < Sousapro> or would it reach out to the PDC emulator at the other site?
01:01 < rootsudo> Sousapro everything breaks
01:02 < Sousapro> that's what I thought
01:02 < rootsudo> its literally chicken with no head
01:02 < rootsudo> valud sessions ok but no new sessions
01:02 < Sousapro> I guess I'll fix the DFS issues according to the technet docs
01:02 < rootsudo> valid*
01:02 < Sousapro> rootsudo: would a new DC be able to do it's initial sync from the other sites?
01:02 < rootsudo> yes
01:02 < Sousapro> still gambling though
01:03 < rootsudo> just write it as server upgrade
01:03 < Sousapro> (in that it will go finish sync and go active fast enough to not be knee deep in office workers)
01:03 < rootsudo> not good practice to do in place upgrade
01:03 < Stoob> make a bit-for-bit clone of the other site and watch the fireworks
01:03 < Sousapro> oh, I won't for sure
01:03 < Sousapro> I'll just fix this
01:03 < Sousapro> It's server 2012 and I have a server 2016 VM waiting to have the role installed
01:04 < Sousapro> I'll do it tomorrow during business hours because it's not like it's handing out GPO right now anyway
01:04 < Gencade> where do you guys get your work attire
01:04 < Gencade> I need to go shopping
01:04 < Jagster`> kohls
01:04 < estranger> i work in my undies, dont ask me
01:04 < Sousapro> Gencade: anywhere that sells XLT shirts
01:04 < DrGibby|> formal shit is mens wearhouse
01:04 < Sousapro> or XXLT
01:04 < estranger> fuck kohls :o
01:04 < Jagster`> you mean XXB
01:04 < DrGibby|> warehouse toom I guess
01:04 < Gencade> fuck mens warehouse is expensive
01:04 < Gencade> I need slacks and buttonups mainly
01:05 < DrGibby|> Gencade: when I have to wear something nice it has to be proper nice
01:05 < DrGibby|> usually I wear jeans and a hoodie
01:05 < Gencade> I've gotten by with dark jeans and a buttonup a couple of times
01:06 < Gencade> but I don't want to push it anymore, my slacks are falling apart
01:06 < Gencade> I hate shopping
01:06 < rootsudo> anyone ben to bali
01:06 < DrGibby|> I do too man :/
01:07 < Gencade> Is it weird to ask a guy friend to go shopping with you?  ffs I don't want to ask my girl because she'll want to spend all muh money
01:08 < Gencade> or maybe I'll just go alone
01:08 < genr8_> i barely go shopping for myself why would i wanna go for someone else
01:08 < xe0n> loll
01:08 < genr8_> also
01:09 < rootsudo> I like shopping
01:09 < genr8_> the only fun is trying to spend  the other persons money
01:09 < rootsudo> but i hate clothes shopping
01:09 < estranger> Gencade, marshalls
01:09 < estranger> cheap++
01:09 < estranger> can still find decent stuff
01:09 < Gencade> estranger: I will have to see if there is one in my area
01:09 < Gencade> standby
01:09 < Gencade> Sweet there is
01:10 < Gencade> I'll go there since it isn't the mall
01:16 < Church-> Gencade: Khols is fine, go Van Hausen usually.
01:17 < rootsudo> https://web.stanford.edu/class/msande91si/www-spr04/readings/week1/InternetWhitepaper.htm
01:20 < Gencade> Church-: sweet I'll look into it
01:20 < Gencade> You guys just ever take an enormous shit after not shitting for like 2 days, then feel like 30 lbs lighter
01:21 < rootsudo> Gencade you need fiber
01:21 < rootsudo> that's bad
01:21 < Gencade> you prob right
01:33 < rootsudo> I kinda want an iphone 10x
01:34 < sadbox> rootsudo: I'm getting one soonish
01:34 < sadbox> work-provided tho
01:34 < rootsudo> but i don't want to pay 1k
01:34 < Casteil> yeah fuck spending that kind of money on a phone
01:34 < rootsudo> but it needs to be unlocked fuck
01:34 < rootsudo> i'll just get an 8
01:34 < Casteil> phones tend to go like 2 years before replacement
01:34 < sadbox> rootsudo: whatcha mean unlocked?
01:34 < rootsudo> sadbox carrier locked, I travel alot
01:35 < rootsudo> i want it, but I don't want to be locked to a carrier plan
01:35 < sadbox> ahhh
01:35 < Casteil> that equates out to like $500/yr or $40 a month for just the phone hardware... nothx
01:35 < rootsudo> oh sweet apple does 18 month finacning
01:36 < Casteil> I just got a Moto x4 through google... $250 or $10.38 a month :P
01:40 < rootsudo_> wow 18 month free financing
01:51 < ashyslashy> it's kind of Maximum Creepy that art bell, who just died at 72, has a 10 year old daughter
01:56 < rootsudo_> ashyslashy guy was having fun
01:57 < rootsudo_> ahaha he was in the philippines
01:57 < rootsudo_> how did I fucking guess that
01:58 < rootsudo_> "At the same time, Bell announced he would be leaving his longtime homestead in Nevada and relocating to the Philippines, near Makati, Metro Manila," wow where I am right now
01:58 < catbeard> rootsudo_:
01:58 < catbeard> imma be there next week
01:59 < rootsudo_> makati?
01:59 < catbeard> Manila
01:59 < rootsudo_> let's meet, I'll be back on the 29th
01:59 < catbeard> well, angeles city
01:59 < rootsudo_> I head ot bali in
01:59 < rootsudo_> what are you doing in angeles city
01:59 < catbeard> landing?
01:59 < catbeard> then taxi 40 miles north
01:59 < rootsudo_> are you sure you're landing at clark/angeles?
02:00 < catbeard> iten says angeles, going to clark tho
02:01 < rootsudo_> angeles suck
02:01 < rootsudo_> don't spend much time there
02:01 < catbeard> meh
02:01 < catbeard> i might be making more than the courtesans in usd while im there
02:02 < rootsudo_> That's what they want you to think ^
02:02 < catbeard> ok maybe more than the street walkers
02:03 < rootsudo_> all I know is filipinas be tricky
02:03 < ashyslashy> rootsudo, i'm pretty sure that was a line he fed to the PR monkeys for "mystique"
02:03 < ashyslashy> by most accounts bell never left nevada after he retired. he was already married to his filipina wife before he left c2c
02:04 < ashyslashy> he died in the same house he broadcast from
02:04 < ashyslashy> basically next door to a live bomb range in "outer nevada"
02:04 < rootsudo_> ashyslashy there is nothing mystique about living in makati, manila, philippines. it's manhattan circa 1970's
02:05 < ashyslashy> there's more mystique than living in buttfuck, egypt (or its american equivalent)
02:05 < javi404> pae ForceEnable is set
02:05 < javi404> doesn't work anymore in Vista?
02:05 < ashyslashy> remember c2c's target audience: paranoid neckbeards who probably never left mom's basement
02:05 < ashyslashy> vista has been buried, javi404
02:05 < ashyslashy> it no longer exists
02:05 < javi404> ashyslashy: recovering data from someone.
02:05 < javi404> i put it in a vm
02:06 < ashyslashy> the microsoft jackboots will be there shortly
02:06 < javi404> but i want to scan for viruses first
02:06 < ashyslashy> please do not leave the premises
02:06 < rootsudo_> c2c has good stories though ashyslashy
02:06 < javi404> ashyslashy: microsoft can kiss my iss.
02:06 < rootsudo_> I liked whenever north of the rockies called in
02:06 < javi404> ass
02:06 < ashyslashy> yeah i guess. the problem is none of the regular listeners realized they were just that: stories
02:07 < ashyslashy> phil hendrie used to do a satire impression of bell. he's been running old clips all week
02:07 < rootsudo_> ashyslashy I wish I could do drugs and write stories daily for a living
02:07 < ashyslashy> word
02:11 <+shakygator> what u bishes up to
02:12 < DrGibby|> just farting around
02:15 < czarbomba> is television more festooned with musicals than normal or am i just hallucinating
02:15 < DrGibby|> you're hallucinating
02:16 < czarbomba> "rise" "star" "riverdale"
02:16 < czarbomba> i remember a rocky horror TV movie too
02:16 < DrGibby|> are you watching the broadway channel or something?
02:16 < czarbomba> these are major networks :O
02:16 < czarbomba> nbc, fox, cw (ok 2 out of 3 major networks)
02:17 < DrGibby|> NBC has the voice on
02:17 < czarbomba> that country music show is still on too
02:17 < czarbomba> well voice is reality
02:17 < czarbomba> these are fictional series with singing
02:17 < DrGibby|> but its not a musical
02:17 <+TuxedoJack> FUcking Fox, ruining Rocky Horror
02:17 <+TuxedoJack> Assholes
02:17 < czarbomba> the country show? sure it is
02:18 < DrGibby|> fox has empire
02:18 <+TuxedoJack> Then again, Shock Treatment ruined Rocky Horror
02:18 < czarbomba> yeah empire kineda sorta counts too doesn' it
02:18 < DrGibby|> CBS is survivor
02:18 < czarbomba> but empire is good
02:18 < DrGibby|> CW is riverdale
02:18 < czarbomba> i can't imagine that a show about high school singers would be good
02:18 < czarbomba> i mean, fox tried it already with glee
02:18 < mkillebrew> Grease
02:18 < czarbomba> and all that happened were heroin overdoses, suicides and like four felony arrests
02:18 < DrGibby|> none of those are musicals
02:19 < czarbomba> the three shows i quoted above all self-identify as 'musical drama' according to their EPs
02:19 < czarbomba> nbc seems quite proud of theirs
02:19 < DrGibby|> OOOH
02:19 < czarbomba> i think tv should leave the singing and dancing to reality shows and summerstock
02:19 < DrGibby|> I see what you mean
02:20 < DrGibby|> I thought you meant full-blown feature length musicals
02:20 < czarbomba> oh no these are just regular hour long tv shows with singing and dancing and breaking the fourth wall and all that fun stuff
02:20 < DrGibby|> its been like that for a while
02:20 < czarbomba> i remember when glee and that one broadway musical show started
02:20 < DrGibby|> add american idol and AGT in there too
02:21 < DrGibby|> but those are usually during the summer
02:21 < czarbomba> those are reality shows though
02:21 < DrGibby|> yes, plenty of singing though
02:21 < czarbomba> i tend to draw a line between reality shows with random americans trying to be famous and scripted stuff
02:21 < DrGibby|> I think those "reality" shows are pretty scripted
02:21 < DrGibby|> not to the levels shit like glee or whatever though
02:21 < czarbomba> yeah but when i check the 'fiction' section on my torrent tracker to see what new premieres are happening i don't have to wade through american idol or "so you think you can dance" :D
02:22 < DrGibby|> tru.dat
02:22 < czarbomba> these musical dramas also make me feel old because their stars are totally unknown to me
02:22 < czarbomba> i assume they all come from the ever-grinding disney machine
02:24 < czarbomba> how would you guys react if a co-worker suddenly broke out into song and dance in the middle of the work day
02:24 < czarbomba> of course, the song must be ended with jazzhands
02:24 < Casteil> http://i.imgur.com/sOVITFO.jpg
02:35 < nohusuro> So, the best thing about all you can eat brazilian meat last night
02:35 < nohusuro> was the bbq roasted pineapple with cinnamon
02:35 < nohusuro> omfg, it was delicious
02:36 < DrGibby|> czarbomba: I would shoot them
02:37 < sammm> why is powershell so fucking great
02:38 < sammm> coming from a linux guy, powershell shits on bash scripting
02:44 < nohusuro> sammm: you running powershell on linux too?
02:44 < nohusuro> I hear there are still some problems with it on linux
02:46 < sammm> nohusuro: not on linux i am not, but i'm using it now to automatically upgrade all of our office 365 licenses
02:48 < DLSteve> how convenient, MS has found a way to script spending more money!
02:49 <@JollyRgrs> sammm: i'm confused... PS shitting on bash means PS is better, right?
02:49 < czarbomba> is there some sort of requirement that canadian actors all have to appear in a degrassi series?
02:50 <@JollyRgrs> it's either that or pay extra taxes
02:50 < czarbomba> has anyone ever checked if cryptic1 shows up in 'degrassi high: the teacher's lounge'
02:50 < czarbomba> i think he plays the shop teacher who always has a jug of fresh maple syrup on his desk
02:52 < czarbomba> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daydream_Nation_(film)
02:53 < czarbomba> title "daydream nation". the main character's name is "thurston". yeah, somebody got real high, put on sonic youth, and wrote a screenplay
03:07 < DrGibby|> cryptic1: https://youtu.be/f5VQ_c5v4XM
03:07 <+layer-eight> YouTube Worst Civilization 5 Deity Strategy by 2016-01-25T16:49:52.000Z (duration: 4:53) on Mon Jan 25 23:49:52 UTC 2016, 2016-01-25T16:49:52.000Z views
03:24 <+NinjaStyle> ayyyy
03:25 < DrGibby|> evening
03:25 < DrGibby|> also, cryptic1  can has +v pls
03:27 < MikeSpears> No
03:27 < MikeSpears> Sup nerds
03:28 <+NinjaStyle> HI NERD
03:28 <+NinjaStyle> YOU NERD FUCK
03:28 < MikeSpears> NinjaStyle: sup bby
03:28 <+NinjaStyle> hi
03:28 < MikeSpears> Lol
03:28 < MikeSpears> How's it going dude
03:28 <+NinjaStyle> its going i guess
03:28 <+NinjaStyle> kinda shitty
03:28 < MikeSpears> :(
03:29 <+NinjaStyle> work is just annoying lately, clients are needy
03:29 < MikeSpears> Have you tried killing them
03:29 <+NinjaStyle> not yet
03:29 < MikeSpears> You should try that
03:29 <+NinjaStyle> thanks
03:29 < nohusuro> NinjaStyle: what are they so needy for?
03:29 < nohusuro> as in, what are they wanting from you?
03:29 < MikeSpears> Start with percussive maintenance obv
03:30 <+NinjaStyle> nohusuro: like they ask for remediation testing, and then i do exactly what they asked, and then they ask why i didnt do stuff they didnt ask for
03:30 <+shakygator> You should penetrate them
03:31 < nohusuro> NinjaStyle: ask them what they think remediation testing is
03:31 <+NinjaStyle> "retest the high findings", me: "here is the retest results", "why isnt the medium finding marked remediated?"
03:32 <+NinjaStyle> like you specifically asked for the high findings
03:32 < MikeSpears> Beat them with sticks
03:32 < czarbomba> anybody here going hard in the paint
03:32 < MikeSpears> No
03:32 < MikeSpears> Workinh
03:32 < MikeSpears> Working
03:32 < czarbomba> ninjastyle i understand your home state has been under assault from both hurricane-force winds and wildfires
03:32 < MikeSpears> Training lol
03:33 <+NinjaStyle> it was windy yesterday
03:33 <+NinjaStyle> i havent heard about the fire, but usually with wind comes fire
03:33 < czarbomba> does anybody ever get blown off denver when the winds kick up
03:33 < czarbomba> 40k acres on fire according to the news
03:34 <+NinjaStyle> czarbomba: u see this? https://i.imgur.com/okuZkNp.gifv
03:34 < czarbomba> that looks fun
03:34 <+NinjaStyle> lol
03:35 <+shakygator> Were those chairs
03:35 <+NinjaStyle> i think patio furnature
03:36 <+NinjaStyle> i almost lived in that building
03:36 <+NinjaStyle> its actually pretty dope
03:36 <+NinjaStyle> i heard some apartments had windows blown out yesterday too
03:36 <+NinjaStyle> overall pretty low impact - the fires tho
03:37 < czarbomba> when the winds are that bad in colorado the state govt has to hire workers to go retrieve residents who were blown down the mountains and into kansas
03:37 <+NinjaStyle> lol
03:38 <+NinjaStyle> denver is pretty flat
04:13 <@JollyRgrs> your mom's pretty flat
04:13 <@JollyRgrs> like AAA size
04:15 < DrGibby|> hey NinjaStyle got a sec?
04:15 <+NinjaStyle> ye
04:16 < nohusuro> JollyRgrs: nipples like a battery?
04:17 < Jay-Ros> .yt coco jambo
04:17 <+layer-eight> YouTube Mr. President - Coco Jambo (1920 x 1080p HD) videoclip - https://youtu.be/m_-Qtz70_z4
04:17 < Jay-Ros> what up
04:26 < czarbomba> this is the second time someone has posted that song in a couple weeks after like 20+ years of forgetting it ever existed
04:28 < ThatOneRoadie> JFDkthx: So far yep
04:28 < ThatOneRoadie> thanks for the suggestion on ephemeral profile GPO's
04:30 < r00t^2> hey, anyone using SORBS in here? testing out an RBL checker and i need a listed IP address or domain with a listed MX
04:31 < The_Machine> I used to when i managed email.
04:33 < The_Machine> just use something like this for lookups
04:33 < The_Machine> https://www.dnsbl.info/
04:34 < r00t^2> no, i know how to look them up. i'm writing a python script to check domains from cron. i'm saying none of my MTAs are listed, and i need a bad one to test with. :P
04:35 < The_Machine> ah
04:36 < The_Machine> I just checked an IP i'm using and it's listed
04:36 < The_Machine> go for it
04:36 < The_Machine> 188.72.118.13
04:37 < The_Machine> actually it isn't with SORBS though
04:38 < r00t^2> well, i plan on adding support for other RBLs, so i'll hold onto it when i test whichever ones it's on
04:38 < r00t^2> but thanks :) just realized SORBS should block my residential in their DUL list, so i can test with that IP
04:39 < r00t^2> aha! bingo
04:39 < The_Machine> :)
04:40 < r00t^2> i'll of course share in here when it's all pieced together and i get support for some of the major RBLs if it'll be of use to anyone else
04:41 < The_Machine> i just used mxtoolbox or something that auto checked for me
04:41 < The_Machine> pretty sure it was free for a certain number of IPs
04:45 < catbeard> r00t^2: http://multirbl.valli.org
04:46 < r00t^2> catbeard: oh wow
04:49 < nohusuro> hahaha, the general managers out of office says he's back on the 226th April.
04:49 < nohusuro> I wonder if he's never coming back.
04:52 < SleePy> 127.0.0.2 should be a black listed ip in RBLs.  As should RFC1918 addresses
04:52 < catbeard> i think that means it matched, depends on the RBL though
04:54 <+MillerBOSS> Gencade should be black listed in the entire Earth. As should his only family.
04:54 < Gencade> woah woah woah
04:54 < Gencade> you can't just say black in 2018
04:54 < Gencade> that's racist
04:55 <+MillerBOSS> B L A C K
04:55 < SleePy> s/black/African American/
04:55 <+layer-eight> Gencade meant: "you can't just say African American in 2018"
04:56 < Gencade> you guys are going full kenrin
04:56  * DrGibby| farts on Gencade 
04:56 < Gencade> hello
04:56 < DrGibby|> die
04:56 <+MillerBOSS> How is this allowed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklisting
04:57 <+MillerBOSS> >Blacklisting is the action of a group or authority, compiling a blacklist (or black list) of people, countries or other entities to be avoided or distrusted as not being acceptable to those making the list.
04:58 < Gencade> IM BUSY DrGibby|
04:58 <+MillerBOSS> What are you doing?
04:58 <+shakygator> Yeah well I'm busty
04:58 <+MillerBOSS> Watching anime Gencade doesn't count
04:58 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah you are shakygator
04:58 < Gencade> true
04:58 < Gencade> I mean to shakygator
04:59 <@JollyRgrs> s/iti/itti
04:59 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: ">Blacklisting is the action of a group or authority, compiling a blacklist (or black list) of people, countries or other entitties to be avoided or distrusted as not being acceptable to those making the list."
04:59 <+shakygator> So my office is pretty cool, they just buy us food constantly
04:59 <@JollyRgrs> hello shakygator (long time no see)
04:59 <+shakygator> Hey buddy
05:00 <@JollyRgrs> shakygator: you got an office job now?
05:00 <@JollyRgrs> nowai!
05:00 <+MillerBOSS> I was gonna say
05:00 <+shakygator> No just came out here for the week
05:00 <@JollyRgrs> ah
05:00 <+shakygator> At least we actually had meetings this time, last time I just wasted all week
05:01 <@JollyRgrs> welp, i'm headed to bed. y'all behave now, ya'hyoh?
05:01 <+shakygator> I got this
05:01  * shakygator pulls out his hammer
05:02 <@JollyRgrs> shakygator: NO! no pain olympics!
05:02 <+shakygator> Probably gonna go to the lobby and get sloshy
05:02 <@JollyRgrs> .yt lets go out to the lobby
05:02 <+layer-eight> YouTube Let's All go to the Lobby! Intermission Bumper - https://youtu.be/Mw91RJ_m_7g
05:02 <+MillerBOSS> Lobby bar, right in the lobby
05:03 <+shakygator> At which point I'm not accountable for my actions
05:03 <+shakygator> Or I could just order room service beers
05:03 <@JollyRgrs> this is pretty sweet... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-z9PidYH4E
05:03 <+layer-eight> YouTube I built a PC out of rope and wood... by 2018-04-05T01:30:02.000Z (duration: 18:27) on Thu Apr 05 08:30:02 UTC 2018, 2018-04-05T01:30:02.000Z views
05:19 < czarbomba> gotta feel a little bad for kevin bacon's daughter. she got ALL of his looks even though her mother is kyra sedgwick.
05:19 < Gencade> I feel sorry for celebrities and their children, because creeps like czarbomba will judge them in misc. IRC chans
05:20 < czarbomba> s/creeps/wise and knowing individuals
05:20 <+layer-eight> Gencade meant: "I feel sorry for celebrities and their children, because wise and knowing individuals like czarbomba will judge them in misc. IRC chans"
05:22 < Gencade> alright compromise,
05:23 < czarbomba> :D
05:23 < czarbomba> 57F two nights ago. 88F tomorrow. :(
05:24 < Gencade> you in Missouri?
05:24 <+MillerBOSS> Hunterkll had a secret trip to North Korea. Go figure.
05:24 < czarbomba> miamuh area
05:24 < czarbomba> hunterkll is mike pompeo?
05:24 < DrGibby|> is just a pedo
05:25 <+MillerBOSS> No Hunterkll went a few weeks agi
05:25 <+MillerBOSS> ago
05:25 < czarbomba> if i were heading to the far east i'd probably go further south like cambodia or thailand
05:25 < czarbomba> maybe he's just afraid of rebuilt boys
05:25 <+MillerBOSS> lol rebuilt
05:28 < czarbomba> i still think the violation of unsuspecting reindeer was reason #1 he went to iceland
05:28 < czarbomba> anime con? pfft
05:28 < czarbomba> it's iceland. they don't do anime.
05:30 <+shakygator> It was for Eve
05:31 <+NinjaStyle> summers eve
05:31 <+NinjaStyle> vagina cream
05:31 < mkillebrew> what's wrong with you
05:31 <+NinjaStyle> autism
05:32 <+MillerBOSS> Thats not wrong NinjaStyle
05:32 <+NinjaStyle> mkillebrew has a problem with it
05:33 <+NinjaStyle> but he also doesnt know about dns so take him with a grain of salt
05:33  * MillerBOSS looks at mkillebrew 
05:33 < czarbomba> let's see if this song helps cool mkillabuzz out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF0tkdhtIDA
05:33 <+layer-eight> YouTube WAL-MART WALLY WORLD SHAKETEAM by 2011-05-24T08:12:17.000Z (duration: 4:22) on Tue May 24 15:12:17 UTC 2011, 2011-05-24T08:12:17.000Z views
05:34 <+MillerBOSS> Wally World
05:34 <+MillerBOSS> What in the fuck
05:35 < czarbomba> it's no jimmy buffett, i know
05:35 <+MillerBOSS> Obviously
05:36 <+NinjaStyle> fuck jimmy buffet
05:36 <+MillerBOSS> I don't know who jimmy buffet is
05:36 <+NinjaStyle> the guy jimmy, at the buffet
05:36 <+MillerBOSS> But I know who Jimmy Buffett is
05:37 < Jay-Ros> what have I walked into?
05:37 <+MillerBOSS> Wow the ending of that video. Can't get any better than that
05:37 <+MillerBOSS> WALLLLLLY WALLLLLLLLY WALLLLLLY WORLD, Jay-Ros
05:38 < Jay-Ros> cmd
05:38 < czarbomba> that's nawlins bounce
05:38 < Jay-Ros> killtask /name WallyWorld
05:38 < mal_will> I have to uninstall a .air application silently. it's an exe so orca isn't helping me, but msiexec /x will uninstall it. the only issue is the Windows installer pops up a box asking if I'm sure, and it needs me to click yes in order to proceed. /q,/qn,/qb/quiet/p/passive don't work. they just fail out instantly. Anyone know how to get msiexec to just answer that yes prompt?
05:38 < Jay-Ros> s/a .air/an .air
05:38 <+layer-eight> mal_will meant: "I have to uninstall an .air application silently. it's an exe so orca isn't helping me, but msiexec /x will uninstall it. the only issue is the Windows installer pops up a box asking if I'm sure, and it needs me to click yes in order to proceed. /q,/qn,/qb/quiet/p/passive don't work. they just fail out instantly. Anyone know how to get msiexec to just answer that yes prompt?"
05:38 < mal_will> Maybe I can just leave it there foreverrrrrr
05:38 < czarbomba> can't unpack the exe for an msi?
05:38 < czarbomba> then orca unlocks all the things
05:39 < mal_will> I read it: a dot air, Jay-Ros
05:39 < mal_will> not, a air. the . matters, brah
05:39 < czarbomba> also, when i was mocking adobe air as a framework i was joking. i didn't actually think any of your companies would actually fucking use it.
05:39 < mal_will> Yeah, orca won't open it czarbomba
05:39 < czarbomba> brb laughing until i piss myself
05:39 < czarbomba> well orca opens msis
05:39 < mal_will> Salesforce-fucking idiots
05:39 < Jay-Ros> punctuation is the difference between helping your uncle, jack, off a horse, and helping your uncle jack off a horse mal_will
05:39 < mal_will> It's not an msi, it's an exe
05:40 < czarbomba> can you unpack the exe first? sometimes there's an msi in there that gets extracted to %temp% during the install/uninstall process
05:40 < mal_will> but msi exec works, it will uninstall it.
05:40 < mal_will> maybe
05:40 < czarbomba> that's why i'm thinking an msi is coming into play somewhere
05:40 < czarbomba> (msiexec /x working)
05:40 <+MillerBOSS> High five Jay-Ros
05:41 < czarbomba> maybe you need to go into the registry, find the guid and see if it references an msi cached somewhere
05:41 < Jay-Ros> Up top MillerBOSS!
05:41 < czarbomba> then use that under orca
05:41 < mal_will> also, Salesforce's program folder is salesforce.com. all lower case
05:41 < mal_will> I don't see the guid under the registry oddly. Idk where Salesforce sent this to live
05:41  * Jay-Ros delivers the other half of a majestic high-five
05:41 < czarbomba> well as long as i don't have to bother with the remote salesguys who do use salesforce. i didn't know it required air
05:42 < czarbomba> pretty much everything i learn about salesforce makes me hate it more
05:42 < czarbomba> i had a similar experience with every sage version ever made
05:44 < Jay-Ros>  \\sydjim\
05:44 < Jay-Ros> that's my name, and I'm rocking two keyboards and typing in the wrong one right now
05:44 < czarbomba> syd or jim?
05:45 < czarbomba> you're probably not cool enough to be named after syd barrett so i'll go with jim
05:45  * czarbomba ducks
05:45 < Jay-Ros> well, my name is jay-ros, and I'm from Sydney
05:45 < Jay-Ros> so... you know... it's my pc
05:45 <+MillerBOSS> Two keyboards will do that to ya
05:45 <+MillerBOSS> Get Synergy
05:45 < Jay-Ros> I'm like Sebastian Bach in the shopping mall in Bill and Ted
05:45 <+NinjaStyle> \\nas1\nudes\furries\dolphin
05:46 <+NinjaStyle> ah shit
05:46 < czarbomba> more relevant question: why are you hitting your own computer's network name
05:46 < Jay-Ros> \\sydjim\swap\quake.js
05:46 <+MillerBOSS> https://symless.com/synergy
05:46 < Jay-Ros> MillerBoss - I'm reimaging a pc
05:46 <+MillerBOSS> Ahh
05:46 < czarbomba> \\homenas\img\drgibby\first-time-in-rape-dungeon.jpg
05:46 < Jay-Ros> Comedy of errors - ASA upgrade > unknown bug > network outage + `
05:47 < czarbomba> an unknown bug? cisco?
05:47 < czarbomba> don't you pay them for the bugs to be known
05:47 < Jay-Ros> WSUS reconfig > New incoming updates > Server downloading new packages
05:47 < Jay-Ros> both coincided, PC was updating drivers and the network dropped
05:47 < czarbomba> ah, the perfect storm
05:48 < czarbomba> ANDREA GAIL
05:48 < czarbomba> ANDREA GAIL
05:48 < Jay-Ros> suddenly I had a PC where the network adapters wouldn't connect to the IP stack
05:48 < czarbomba> i thought all driver updates occurred during boot
05:48 <+MillerBOSS> I wonder if Comey has security 24/7
05:48 < Jay-Ros> unsure czarbomba, that's all I can work out at the moment
05:48 < czarbomba> so even if you lost the update in transit it wouldn't apply until confirmed downloaded with the system booting
05:49 < Jay-Ros> I've troubleshot to all lengths, and a reimage is in order
05:49 < czarbomba> james comey? he's 6'8" and quantico-trained
05:49 < czarbomba> i don't think he needs security
05:49 < Jay-Ros> ...but it's one of two machines which is a custom build (z3 g2 HP device), so I need to install from win10 iso instead of SCCM build
05:49 < Jay-Ros> i.e. fml I was busy enough
05:49 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
05:51 <+MillerBOSS> I wonder how much income a book lands a person after paying everyone
05:51 < DrGibby|> a bit
05:51 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah how much is a bit
05:52 < DrGibby|> a bit
05:52 <+MillerBOSS> What?
05:53 < DrGibby|> a little over nothing and something less than a millionaire
05:53 <+MillerBOSS> What?
05:53 <+MillerBOSS> What?
05:53 < DrGibby|> What?
05:53 < DrGibby|> What?
05:53 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
05:53 < czarbomba> with the entire country being 'woke' now and lots of people wanting answers for late october '16 i suspect he's going to make somewhere between an imperial shitton and a metric fuckton
05:53 < DrGibby|> What?
05:53 < czarbomba> O KAY
05:53 < Gencade> EAT A BAG OF DICKS DRG
05:53 < Gencade> DrGibby|,
05:54 < Jay-Ros> DrGibby - Gencade is trying to sell a bag of dicks, are you interested?
05:54 < DrGibby|> Gencade, please not right now
05:54 < Jay-Ros> They're pickled
05:54 < Jay-Ros> He's even got a slogan
05:54 < DrGibby|> please?
05:55 < Gencade> What did I return to
05:55 < DrGibby|> in fact, I like our little back-and-fourth but I need a rest
05:55 <+MillerBOSS> Jay-Ros 👉 Whats the slogan?
05:55 < czarbomba> have you ever seen "human centipede", gencade
05:56 < Gencade> no I haven't czarbomba
05:56 < DrGibby|> I need a rest from everyting
05:56 < czarbomba> okay but you're familiar with the concept
05:56 < Jay-Ros> MillerBOSS: it's "EAT A BAG OF DICKS"
05:56 <+MillerBOSS> DrGibby| 👉 disconnect from IRC
05:56 < DrGibby|> this is my one outlet :\
05:56 < czarbomba> stop trying to chase drgibby away. we'll score him a hooker and all will be right in the world again
05:57 < Gencade> hookers are for fat slobs
05:57 < czarbomba> according to the documentary series 'billions' hookers are for hedge fund CEOs and gender-neutral prodigies
05:58 < m4221> cantibot:
05:58 < czarbomba> there's one now
05:58 < Gencade> fuck you m4221
05:58 <+MillerBOSS> m4221 👉
05:58 <+MillerBOSS> Gencade 👉 Shut your cunt face now
05:58 < m4221> MillerBOSS: stop fingering me
05:58 < Gencade> make me lil bitch MillerBOSS
05:58 < czarbomba> #metoo
05:58 < Gencade> or should I say
05:58 < Gencade> millerbitch
05:58 <+MillerBOSS> #meetoo
05:58 < DrGibby|> 🖕
05:59 < Jay-Ros> Calm down everyone, this is IRC, not your local pub
06:00 <+NinjaStyle> whats the difference
06:00 < czarbomba> we expect a level of decorum here
06:00 < Gencade> Jay-Ros, I will put a jackhammer in your mouth
06:00 <+MillerBOSS> Jay-Ros 👉 Its all fun here. :)
06:00 <+MillerBOSS> Its just funny that others think we are serious
06:00 < czarbomba> the debate continues to rage whether literal chimp-like shit-flinging is compatible with said decorum
06:00 < Gencade> we are the least serious irc chan ever
06:00 <+MillerBOSS> Anyone going to see Super Troopers 2 Thursday?
06:00 < czarbomba> friday night
06:00 <+MillerBOSS> Here is Thursday
06:01 < czarbomba> 420 blaze it from 3pm-11pm then hit up a midnight showing friday night
06:01 < czarbomba> perfect afternoon planned
06:01 < czarbomba> i plan on being non-functional by the time the previews end
06:01 < BytesAndCoffee> anyone know if you can fax over a cellular "home" phone line?
06:01 <+MillerBOSS> http://www.marcustheatres.com/theatre-locations/hollywood-cinema-grand-chute?Date=04-19-2018 I thought it was 20th
06:01 < czarbomba> i'll probably be playing the ST1 dvd for some of those afternoon hours
06:02 < BytesAndCoffee> like, a cellular voice modem that has standard phone jacks
06:02 < czarbomba> cellular voice modem?
06:02 < BytesAndCoffee> yeah
06:02 <+MillerBOSS> Does the location have Internet?
06:02 < czarbomba> fundamentally different techs, man
06:03 < BytesAndCoffee> czarbomba: too much compression?
06:03 < czarbomba> i mean, maybe there's a solution out there but it's probably convoluted as fuck if not inefficient and/or ineffective
06:03 < czarbomba> latency, compression, the fact that there's a layer of analog audio happening through what is now a packet-switched network
06:03 < Jay-Ros> Gencade, MillerBOSS - calm down even more than that
06:03 < czarbomba> it's just a no workie situation i think
06:03 < Jay-Ros> in fact, take a chill pill
06:03 < BytesAndCoffee> ah
06:03 < czarbomba> i remember people were kicking this concept around back in like the CDPD days
06:04 <+MillerBOSS> Why not use a https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SPA122-Small-Business-Router/dp/B00684H2EY BytesAndCoffee
06:05 <+NinjaStyle> because fuck cisco
06:05 < L3gacy> Why am I awake @ 12 AM?  Where is my sanity?  Why do I not have maple syrup in the supercharger?   Why are there eels in my hovercart?
06:05 < m4221> .bofh
06:05 <+layer-eight> m4221, BOFH says: Your Pentium has a heating problem - try cooling it with ice cold water. Do not turn of your computer, you do not want to cool down the Pentium Chip while he isn't working, do you?
06:05 <+MillerBOSS> I got a few in production now. They work fine
06:05 <+NinjaStyle> MillerBOSS: does it have hardcoded creds too?
06:05 < BytesAndCoffee> https://www.zteusa.com/att-wireless-home-phone-wf721 i have this
06:06 <+MillerBOSS> Nope
06:06 <+NinjaStyle> you sure?
06:06 < mal_will> I'm calling it, I don't think it can be done. Fuck Salesforce, and Adobe Air
06:06 <+MillerBOSS> Credentials for waht?
06:06 < czarbomba> cisco is the fucking simpsons of networking
06:06 < BytesAndCoffee> got it as a promo, $0/mo canada-wide calling
06:06 < czarbomba> "cisco did it"
06:06 < m4221> mal_will: I love saleforce
06:06 < czarbomba> that thing is 10/100 fyi
06:06 < mal_will> Ever use chatter desktop?
06:06 < BytesAndCoffee> czarbomba: ?
06:06 < czarbomba> m4221 PLEASE DO NOT VIOLATE THE FIRST RULE OF THE CHANNEL
06:07 < m4221> czarbomba: it violated me
06:07 < czarbomba> bytesandcoffee, the spa122
06:07 <+MillerBOSS> BytesAndCoffee 👉 Do you not want to use fax over IP? Like some service?
06:07 < mal_will> Some guy made a chatter desktop hate sub
06:07 < m4221> czarbomba: fuck you
06:07 < mal_will> https://www.reddit.com/r/ihatechatter/
06:07  * czarbomba clamps m4221's ears to a board
06:07 < m4221> czarbomba: you are not an op
06:07 < czarbomba> hey motherfucker i said 'please'
06:07 < BytesAndCoffee> MillerBOSS: i don't send enough faxes to subscribe to a fax over IP service
06:08 <+MillerBOSS> czarbomba 👉 Yes it is FastEthernet but I have them connected as a device to the network not direct WAN to it
06:08 < m4221> mal_will: all adobe products are sleek and efficient
06:08 < BytesAndCoffee> or if they're paid, i would just go to like, staples or something
06:08 < mal_will> :|
06:08 <+NinjaStyle> s/enough.*/faxes
06:08 <+layer-eight> BytesAndCoffee meant: "MillerBOSS: i don't send faxes"
06:08 < czarbomba> millerboss just mentioning in case any prospective buyer tries to get too clever for his britches
06:08 < BytesAndCoffee> NinjaStyle: i actually do need to sometimes send faxes
06:08 < BytesAndCoffee> crazy, i know
06:08 <+NinjaStyle> thats retarded
06:08 <+NinjaStyle> fax is retarded
06:08 < czarbomba> who in the fuck is calling me from north carolina's research triangle at 12:08am
06:08 <+MillerBOSS> Oh yeah ;) czarbomba
06:08 < BytesAndCoffee> govt has a hardon for fax
06:09 <+MillerBOSS> Yes NinjaStyle But some people need to fax
06:09 <+NinjaStyle> your govt should be ashamed of itself
06:09 <+NinjaStyle> MillerBOSS: no, they really really dont
06:09 <+NinjaStyle> anyone who requires fax is dumb
06:09 < BytesAndCoffee> NinjaStyle: Trudeau is too busy being a pretty face
06:09 < BytesAndCoffee> don't blame me, i voted NDP
06:09 < czarbomba> fuck's sake why
06:09 <+MillerBOSS> Side topic. If I have users that want to combine say two jpegs on a website could the website add some how malicious payload(s) to the single jpeg?
06:09 < BytesAndCoffee> czarbomba: ?
06:10 <+MillerBOSS> Because I will be trying to say no website and use Gimp or photoshop or the like
06:10 < BytesAndCoffee> MillerBOSS: are you asking how or if
06:10 < mkillebrew> malicious jpeg?
06:10 <+NinjaStyle> MillerBOSS: payload, yes. it would still require something to run the payload though
06:10 <+MillerBOSS> I am asking if the website could do that
06:10 < BytesAndCoffee> mkillebrew: ever seen tubgirl?
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> thats malicious to your sanity
06:11 <+shakygator> Blargh
06:11 <+NinjaStyle> either a vuln in the image viewer or some other malware
06:11 <+MillerBOSS> So if it was you NinjaStyle would you allow it knowing what you know?
06:11 <+shakygator> Lemon party was better
06:11  * m4221 tases Gencade 
06:11 <+NinjaStyle> MillerBOSS: i dont normally condone using weird free 3rd party shit for work related tasks
06:11 < Sousapro> DONGER ZONE
06:11 <+MillerBOSS> Right.
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> shakygator: when life gives you lemons, throw a lemon party
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> .raise
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> .donger
06:12 < BytesAndCoffee> where'd the donger bot go
06:12 <+NinjaStyle> MillerBOSS: but i think odds are itd be fine
06:12 <+NinjaStyle> i still would say no if i could
06:12 <+MillerBOSS> I am glad the users actually ask to use a free website service. But I am going to say no and use Gimp or something and help them create some batch process etc
06:12 <+MillerBOSS> Just wanted your thoughts on the matter
06:12 <+shakygator> Imagemagick
06:12 <+MillerBOSS> On windows?
06:12 <+shakygator> Never heard of that
06:12 <+shakygator> What's windows
06:13 <+MillerBOSS> No idea
06:13 <+NinjaStyle> shakygator: its a rootkit
06:13  * NinjaStyle triggers hug
06:13 < Sousapro> When life gives you lemons, you find a new god
06:13 < hug> your face is a rootkit
06:13 < czarbomba> when do you guys canexit from being a commonwealth anyway
06:13 <+MillerBOSS> Wow nice shakygator thanks. convert -append 1.jpg 2.jpg out.jpg
06:14 <+shakygator> EXPERIENCE
06:14 <+shakygator> np mate
06:14 <+MillerBOSS> Whats that?
06:15 <+MillerBOSS> I am new here
06:15 <+MillerBOSS> I was a dishwasher for the last 13 years
06:15 <+shakygator> It's when you put your dick in an outlet and learn not to do that again
06:15 <+MillerBOSS> Until last week
06:15 < Sousapro> shakygator: so you have administered mongodb before
06:16 <+shakygator> Actually, I do right now
06:16 < Sousapro> What's an actual use case for mongo?
06:16 <+shakygator> At least I just spin up a container and devs get to have the real fun
06:17 < Sousapro> I've seen it badly misused most places
06:17 <+shakygator> We are using it with Apache sling
06:17 <+NinjaStyle> yeah no auth iirc
06:17 <+NinjaStyle> at least by default
06:17 <+shakygator> Mine are in A3R tier so it's not huge risk
06:17 < czarbomba> s/an outlet/a redhead
06:17 <+layer-eight> shakygator meant: "It's when you put your dick in a redhead and learn not to do that again"
06:18 <+shakygator> That's how you get their souls though
06:18 < czarbomba> oh dear. redheads don't have souls :(
06:19 <+NinjaStyle> somebody toucha my spaghet
06:19 < Sousapro> shakygator: I tried to Google that and almost had my soul sucked out by the marketing speak on Wikipedia
06:19 <+shakygator> Which part
06:19 <+shakygator> A3R?
06:20 <+shakygator> Or sling
06:20 < czarbomba> when i was real young, like 10 or so, i had a keychain that said "you toucha my keys i breaka you face"
06:20 < czarbomba> </coolstorybro>
06:25 < mal_will> I'd bet my left pinky Salesforce responds to my ticket to say you can't uninstall chatter desktop any way but manually
06:26 < smrtz> Any docker-compose gods around?  I'm trying to get this running: https://github.com/passbolt/passbolt_docker, but the mysql container doesn't seem to be reading the env/mysql.env file.
06:26 < m4221> mal_will: I love chatter
06:26 < smrtz> I'd like to remove the containers, but docker-compose rm isn't finding the containers...
06:27 < Sousapro> Donger-Compose up
06:27 < m4221> mal_will: use salesforce with filemaker
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> sudo su
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> oop
06:27 < smrtz> https://imgur.com/a/TWIsyuf
06:28 < mal_will> omg
06:29 < smrtz> Sousapro: I can start the containers fine, but the passbolt container fails to connect to the mysql DB unless I use the default creds in env/passbolt.env, even after changing them in env/mysql.env
06:29 <+NinjaStyle> youre just trying to remove a docker container?
06:29 < smrtz> Honestly, yeah, hah.
06:29 <+shakygator> Sudo docker ps -a
06:30 <+NinjaStyle> yeah then docker rm
06:30 <+shakygator> Might need a force flag too
06:32 < smrtz> Thanks guys.
06:32 < smrtz> That did it.
06:32 <+NinjaStyle> :)
06:32 < ayeitzabee> Hay guys, what do you guys use for your email spam/virus checking?
06:32 <+NinjaStyle> ayeitzabee: i was pretty impressed with mimecast
06:32 <+NinjaStyle> back when i sysadmind
06:32 < ayeitzabee> Our sub with Symantec is about to run out and I want to change so freaking bac
06:32 < ayeitzabee> bad*
06:33 <+NinjaStyle> my company uses proofpoint, which is fine if you configure it well
06:33 < mal_will> You see a woman walking down the street in a pair of these shoes-is she a lesbian?
06:33 < mal_will> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4a/2c/86/4a2c865898c6ef05f39bca4f73acf537.jpg
06:33 < mal_will> Also, I use App River and Iron Port
06:33 < mal_will> Iron Port seems legit
06:33 <+NinjaStyle> fuck cisco
06:33 < ayeitzabee> ^
06:34  * m4221 bends over cisco to help NinjaStyle fuck cisco
06:34 < ayeitzabee> I feel like symantec is flushing itself down the toilet and I want to bail before I end up swimming in shit
06:34 <+NinjaStyle> but i think ironport is supposed to be decent, i demod it early on and ended up passing in favor of just using EOP
06:35 <+NinjaStyle> but of all the products ive used, mimecast was my favorite
06:35 < ayeitzabee> NinjaStyle, What made it so good?
06:35 <+NinjaStyle> just really granular control
06:35 < ayeitzabee> I just need something that I can set and forget and it does it job in the background really
06:36 <+NinjaStyle> yeah, we had a lot of unusual requirements and mimecast was able to serve all of them
06:36 <+NinjaStyle> but maybe if you dont need granular control something else may be better
06:37 < ayeitzabee> Is it expensive?
06:37 < mal_will> Is anything ever really set and forget tho?
06:37 < ayeitzabee> Symantec is wanting around $2500 for 40 users
06:37 <+NinjaStyle> ayeitzabee: i think its pretty competitive, i remember proofpoint quoting pretty high and mimecast coming in under that
06:38 <+NinjaStyle> i cant remember the number though
06:38 <+NinjaStyle> we had like 220 users
06:40 < ayeitzabee> NinjaStyle, Thanks, I am going to get a quote from Mimecast first and go from there :D
06:40 < smrtz> Ughh, the containers are created properly regardless of what I put in env/mysql.env, as long as I leave env/passbolt.env alone.  Once I change the creds in there I get an Access denied error.
06:42 < smrtz> So it seems like the mysql container isn't properly reading the env/mysql.env file.  Any simple way of troubleshooting that?
06:43 <+shakygator> No
06:43 <+shakygator> Are you changing it before starting container
06:44 < smrtz> Yeah, I thought it might only read it once, but I'm getting this same issue when using --force-recreate, and after removing the containers and recreating them after changing it.
06:45 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: what docker are you using?
06:45 < smrtz> https://github.com/passbolt/passbolt_docker
06:45 < smrtz> Specifically https://github.com/passbolt/passbolt_docker/blob/master/docker-compose.yml
06:47 <+NinjaStyle> what mysql are you using?
06:48 < smrtz> The one automatically created when I run docker-compose up, unless it doesn't do that?
06:49 < smrtz> I took a fresh ubuntu install, installed docker-ce and docker-compose, cloned the repo, and ran docker-compose up, is there more to it?
06:50 <+NinjaStyle> oh, it looks like it also installs mysql i guess
06:50 <+NinjaStyle> oh i see
06:50 < smrtz> Ok, cool.  That's what I expected.
06:50 <+shakygator> does it create multiple containers?
06:50 < smrtz> Yes.
06:50 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: so i expect you should be able to set the passwords using those env files
06:51 <+NinjaStyle> but youre saying it isnt working?
06:51 <+shakygator> seems the case
06:51 <+shakygator> are any env vars set in the container?
06:51 <+shakygator> sudo docker exec -it container_id /bin/bash
06:51 <+shakygator> printenv
06:51 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Yeah.  It seems to work regardless of the contents of the mysql env file, and fails if I touch the creds in the passbolt one.
06:51 <+shakygator> so
06:52 <+NinjaStyle> so maybe the mysql env file isnt configuring mysql as expected
06:52 <+shakygator> i dont think that env file actually sets the creds in mysq
06:52 <+shakygator> just setting them for use by passbolt
06:52 <+NinjaStyle> ^
06:53 < smrtz> Hmm, I hadn't expected that.  Give me a second to check for env vars.
06:53 <+shakygator> even if they are set i think you need to find where to set creds in mysql
06:53 <+shakygator> i dont see where yet from my limited perusing of this repo
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> the env variables do that
06:54 <+NinjaStyle> https://hub.docker.com/_/mysql/
06:55 <+NinjaStyle> i think this is the one it deploys
06:55 <+shakygator> yeah
06:55 <+shakygator> image: mysql:latest
06:55 < smrtz> Yeah, the EnvVars are being set to the default values of the two env files.
06:55 < smrtz> And the hostname is being set to the container ID, which is cool.
06:55 <+shakygator> docker run --name some-mysql -e MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD=my-secret-pw -d mysql:tag
06:56 <+shakygator> so yeah, MYSQL_ROOT_PASSWORD needs to be updated in mysql container
06:56 <+shakygator> along with whatever else you wanna change
06:56 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: i think if i were you, i would run docker compose with the mysql env stuff configured, and work that issue first
06:56 <+NinjaStyle> make sure your mysql is being set up with the creds you expect
06:57 < smrtz> Good advice.
06:57 <+NinjaStyle> once you have that, the other app should in theory work
06:59 <+NinjaStyle> the fact it works with default files implies to me that the env files are working
06:59 < smrtz> printenv shows the correct contents after updating the mysql.env file.
06:59 < smrtz> So, that's interesting...
07:00 <+NinjaStyle> can you connect to mysql just using the host mysql cli?
07:00 < smrtz> Never used it, let me test.
07:04 < smrtz> ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
07:05 <+NinjaStyle> try it like this from outside the docker container, to inside
07:05 <+NinjaStyle> mysql -u {username} -p{password} -h {remote server ip} {DB name}
07:05 <+NinjaStyle> so set h to the ip of the docker container
07:06 < smrtz> Ahh, I was using localhost, let me get its IP...
07:07 <+NinjaStyle> or wait, that might not work
07:07 <+NinjaStyle> im not sure how its exposing the db container ports
07:08 <+shakygator> i still think you just changed the passbolt container env vars
07:08 <+shakygator> you didnt actually set the mysql creds
07:08 <+shakygator> which is correct, but youre missing the other half of this
07:10 < smrtz> I checked the env vars of the mysql container, and they're being set to the contents of the mysql.env file, but you might be right.
07:11 <+NinjaStyle> im gonna try to build this
07:11 <+shakygator> ok well thats good
07:11 <+shakygator> i would but im too lazy
07:11 <+NinjaStyle> not that i have any idea what it even is
07:11 < smrtz> Haha, it's like lastpass but for teams.
07:13 < smrtz> Hmm, here's part of the output from docker inspect: https://bpaste.net/show/9c9a566be50e
07:15 <+NinjaStyle> having docker-compose version errors =/
07:16 < czarbomba> apparently the austrian national anthem lends itself well to shredding on an electric guitar
07:16 < smrtz> Before I tried using docker-compose, I was playing with the steps to create both dockers manually here: https://hub.docker.com/r/passbolt/passbolt/
07:16 < smrtz> Wait, here: https://help.passbolt.com/hosting/install/ce/docker.html
07:17 < smrtz> Part of it was "docker network create passbolt_network"  Is it possible that that's causing some issue?
07:21 <+shakygator> im guessing that didnt work
07:22 < smrtz> I decided to use compose before I got that far actually.  This is my first time with Docker.
07:22 <+shakygator> i dont have much exp with compose
07:23 <+shakygator> basically all you would have needed to do was apt-get install docker
07:23 <+shakygator> then run those two commands
07:23 < smrtz> Me either, hah.  But it seems pretty great.  Basically dockerizes your dockers.
07:23 <+shakygator> the docker run cmds
07:23 <+shakygator> i mean you said the containers had right env vars
07:23 < smrtz> Yeah, I'm doing this more to learn then anything.  That would have been the easier option, lol.
07:23 <+shakygator> id drop into each one (exec -it) and check env vars
07:24 <+shakygator> should have root set in mysql, and then the ones for passbolt
07:24 <+shakygator> assuming this is virtualized
07:24 <+shakygator> id start over and snapshot before starting
07:24 <+shakygator> or you can just nuke all your images
07:25 <+shakygator> docker image ls
07:25 <+NinjaStyle> finally got docker working, my laptop was a bit fucked up since i havent used docker since doing a release update
07:25 <+shakygator> alretnately add -a
07:25 < smrtz> That was actually the first thing I was in here trying to get help with.
07:25 <+shakygator> containers != images
07:25 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Great, thanks!
07:25 < smrtz> Ahh.  good point.
07:27 <+NinjaStyle> now i have conflicting ports
07:28 < smrtz> just removed all the images.
07:29 < smrtz> What are the default docker networks? Or can I just remove them all?
07:33 <+NinjaStyle> damn that was a pain in the ass
07:33 <+NinjaStyle> i had other shit listening on 443 and 80 lol
07:33 < smrtz> Haha.
07:34 < smrtz> But it worked fine out of the box for you?
07:36 <+NinjaStyle> yeah looks to be working
07:36 < smrtz> wtf..
07:36 <+NinjaStyle> ill show you how my env files
07:37 <+NinjaStyle> how they are that is
07:37 < smrtz> Alright, I've removed all images and containers, and reset the repo.
07:37 <+NinjaStyle> i changed passwords just to test
07:38 <+NinjaStyle> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gymBnM0Y/
07:38 <+NinjaStyle> but yeah it starts and it works
07:39 < smrtz> Alright, just copied your files, testing now...
07:40 < smrtz> Thanks for the help with this.
07:40 < smrtz> I also removed all docker networks that had passbolt in the name.
07:40 < smrtz> There were a few...
07:40 <+NinjaStyle> oh btw, i was being lazy and kept APP_FULL_BASE_URL=https://passbolt.local
07:40 <+NinjaStyle> but it required me to add that to my hosts
07:40 < smrtz> Just got the same Access denied error.
07:40 <+NinjaStyle> can you paste the error?
07:41 < smrtz> https://bpaste.net/show/9cb33cc98fb0
07:42 < Jay-Ros> 1 hour  20 to go!
07:42 < Jay-Ros> four day weekend, one day work, one day public holiday, two days work, and the weekend again!
07:42 <+shakygator> friday is a holiday
07:43 < Jay-Ros> where is it a holiday?
07:43 <+shakygator> eveywhere yo
07:43 < Jay-Ros> new caledonia, jamaica, ethiopia and thailand?
07:43 <+shakygator> and denver
07:44 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: and youre just running docker-compose up from the git repo directory?
07:44 < Jay-Ros> AU here shakygator :)
07:44 < smrtz> Yep! well, with your .env files.
07:44 <+shakygator> im sure yall still have pot
07:44 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: thats literally all ive done is changed those files, and ran docker-compose up
07:44 < Jay-Ros> yes, but I'm not quite putting two and two together on the validity of that in regards to public holidays :|
07:44 <+shakygator> speaking of aussies, where is kbni
07:45 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Wtf.
07:45 < ttyX> 6 hours ISP outage, what a great beginning to the day
07:45 <+shakygator> lucky for you its almost over ttyX
07:46 < smrtz> Ok, any idea how I could keep troubleshooting?
07:46 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: all i can think is its gott be a networking issue or something
07:46 <+shakygator> nuke it all
07:46 <+NinjaStyle> yeah
07:46 <+shakygator> just nuke the docker stuff you installed
07:46 < ttyX> oh my day has about 5 more hours to go
07:46 <+shakygator> idr if it cleans everything up
07:47 < smrtz> Alright, I'll remove the containers and images, and then uninstall docker and docker-compose, hah.
07:47 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: if youre not using docker for anything else
07:47 <+NinjaStyle> docker system prune -a
07:47 <+shakygator> the beauty of docker is its easy
07:47 <+NinjaStyle> that will wipe everything
07:47 <+shakygator> to set back up
07:47 < smrtz> Oh wow.
07:48 < smrtz> Alright, done.  Removed the git repo too just to be safe, idk.
07:48 < smrtz> Anything else?
07:48 <+NinjaStyle> you even uninstalled docker?
07:48 <+NinjaStyle> or are you gonna try to keep it?
07:49 < smrtz> I removed docker-ce, but I installed docker-compose with a curl script, so...
07:49 <+NinjaStyle> that's ok
07:50 <+NinjaStyle> thats actually how i did it too
07:50 < smrtz> :)  Should I remove the executable from /usr/local/bin?
07:50 <+NinjaStyle> i mean you could, but i srsly doubt that is the problem
07:50 <+NinjaStyle> are you running docker as root btw?
07:50 <+NinjaStyle> like with sudo?
07:50 < smrtz> Rebooting the box too.
07:51 < smrtz> Nahh, I added myself to the docker group.  I did test some with that to make sure it wasn't the problem.
07:51 <+NinjaStyle> because since youre doing the port passthrough you need to be able to open those ports
07:51 <+NinjaStyle> 80,443,3306 on the host
07:51 <+shakygator> EXPOSE
07:52 <+shakygator> do they need to be exposed though?
07:52 <+shakygator> since its trying to connect to docker locally
07:52 <+NinjaStyle> thats how it works with that compose script
07:52 < smrtz> Doesn't docker-compose do that automatically since they're defined in the ports: section?
07:53 <+NinjaStyle> yeah but afaik it would need to be privileged right?
07:53 < smrtz> It's worked fine without being run with sudo for me so far.
07:53 < smrtz> Well, when I don't change the .env files....
07:53 <+NinjaStyle> ok, maybe not then
07:53 <+NinjaStyle> if its working without the changed configs
07:53 < smrtz> :shrug
07:54 < smrtz> I can open the ports manually with ufw if you think it might help?
07:54 <+NinjaStyle> nah its probably fine.. just not sure wtf is going on
07:54 < smrtz> Doing an upgrade now, going to reboot again, and then give it another shot.
07:54 <+NinjaStyle> it worked flawlessly for me lol
07:55 < smrtz> I'm on ubuntu on a linode VPS, if that maters?
07:56 < plop> morning slackers
07:56 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: not sure why it would
07:56 <+NinjaStyle> I run docker in linode all the time
07:56 < smrtz> Me either, just thought I'd mention it to be sure.
07:57 <+NinjaStyle> I'm a little bit befuddled
07:57 <+shakygator> does linode have images
07:57 <+shakygator> id just start over
07:57 < smrtz> I could, but, I want to give this a little while longer.
07:57 < smrtz> If it doesn't work this time, I'll do that.
07:57 <+shakygator> yeah, learn more when you break shit
07:57 <+shakygator> wont learn much running 2 cmds and being done
07:58 < smrtz> Exactly.
07:58 < smrtz> Reinstalling docker-ce now.
07:59 < smrtz> And it's starting.  Fingers crossed.
08:00 < smrtz> Ughh, same freaking thing.....
08:00 <+shakygator> call trump, turn the key and launch a nuke
08:03 <+shakygator> you could leave that one alone and spin up another VM
08:03 <+shakygator> just to test/compare
08:03 <+shakygator> if you really want a root cause
08:03 < smrtz> Yeah, thought about that, but, it's 2AM.
08:03 < smrtz> And I'm getting lazy.
08:03 < smrtz> Haha.
08:04 < smrtz> Redeploying now.
08:05 <+shakygator> glhf
08:08 < Jay-Ros> at least it's not 3am and you're not lonely
08:09 < smrtz> Haha, fair.
08:09 <@Nostalg14c> Fuck i'm bored rn.
08:10 < plop> Nostalg14c, just got to the office. don't want to work.
08:12 <+shakygator> you dont have to be lonely Jay-Ros, at farmersonly.com
08:16 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Installing docker-ce using this guide:  https://docs.docker.com/install/linux/docker-ce/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository
08:16 <@Nostalg14c> plop: 2pm here.
08:17 < smrtz> Nostalg14c: What's it like over on the exact opposite side of the planet?
08:17 < smrtz> Probably a little sunnier then here.
08:17 <@Nostalg14c> very overcoast today.
08:17 <@Nostalg14c> cast*
08:17 <@Nostalg14c> Supposed to rain a bucket load this weekend.
08:18 < smrtz> Ahh, I think it's going to rain here soon too.
08:18 < plop> 2pm?
08:18 < plop> 8am here
08:20 < Jay-Ros> shakygator - how the fuck do you know that website?
08:21 <+MillerBOSS> Commercials on TV Jay-Ros
08:21 <+shakygator> b/c they advertise is all over here
08:21 < ceofreak> Guten Tag
08:21 < Jay-Ros> 75 degrees and sunny in Melbourne for the next four days, holiday time.
08:21 <+MillerBOSS> Plus shakygator is a farmer
08:21 < Jay-Ros> they called him a goat hurdler MillerBOSS, not a farmer.
08:22 < ayeitzabee> Jay-Ros, Did you just use fahrenheit?
08:22 < Jay-Ros> ayeitzabee - 23 and sunny, princess
08:22 <+shakygator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_bFCJc0IOg
08:22 <+layer-eight> YouTube FarmersOnly: The Riding Date by 2015-11-20T23:16:33.000Z (duration: 31s) on Sat Nov 21 06:16:33 UTC 2015, 2015-11-20T23:16:33.000Z views
08:22 < ayeitzabee> Jay-Ros, How unaustralian of you, next thing you will be saying you don't like bunnings snags
08:22 < Jay-Ros> ...I couldn't do that.
08:23 < Jay-Ros> bag of nails and a snossage on a weekend morning...
08:23 <+MillerBOSS> Country girls are where its at
08:23 < Jay-Ros> fuck I love the word snossage
08:23 < ayeitzabee> I dated a country girl once, was gross
08:24 < ayeitzabee> Never quite got the smell of dank puss out of my sheets
08:24 < Jay-Ros> ayeitzabee - how did you get the hoof stains out of the quilt cover
08:25 < ayeitzabee> Jay-Ros, I live in central QLD, all we need is a sheet in winter
08:25 < Jay-Ros> s/quilt cover/sheets
08:25 <+layer-eight> Jay-Ros meant: "ayeitzabee - how did you get the hoof stains out of the sheets"
08:25 < ayeitzabee> I just sat it outside for 10 minutes and it turned to ash
08:28 < humpaxx> Goooooood morning
08:29 < plop> morning humpaxx
08:29 < plop> .bofh
08:29 <+layer-eight> plop, BOFH says: Virus transmitted from computer to sysadmins.
08:29 < plop> wait, what?
08:29 <+shakygator> VIRUS TRANSMITTED FROM COMPUTER TO SYSADMINS
08:30 < plop> is that skynet
08:30 < plop> is the virus name Arnold?
08:30 <+MillerBOSS> It is named FUCK OFF!!
08:30  * MillerBOSS waves
08:31 < plop> oh, hey MillerBOSS
08:31 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:31 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: High nuclear activity in your area.
08:31 <+MillerBOSS> Watch out plop
08:31 < plop> nuclear activity high in YOUR zone
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> OK
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:32 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: Quantum dynamics are affecting the transistors
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:32 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: Increased sunspot activity.
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:32 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: firewall needs cooling
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:32 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: Feature not yet implimented
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
08:32 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: I'm sorry a pentium won't do, you need an SGI to connect with us.
08:32 <+MillerBOSS> SGI eh?
08:32 < plop> o2 workstation?
08:33 < plop> do you think we can make the bot quit for excess flood?
08:33 <+MillerBOSS> Probably not layer-eight.
08:33 < humpaxx> .bofh; .bofh
08:33 <+MillerBOSS> Its built eggdrop tuff
08:34 < plop> sysadmin proof?
08:34 <+layer-eight> nice try humpaxx
08:34 < plop> lol
08:34 < humpaxx> .bofh /n /r .bofh
08:34 <+layer-eight> humpaxx, BOFH says: Please state the nature of the technical emergency
08:35 < humpaxx> I give up, its un hackable
08:37 <+MillerBOSS> humpaxx 👉 https://gist.github.com/MillerBoss/8321e5c50894bb4e15c5547686c2483f its fairly basic
08:37 <+shakygator> goodnight all, going back to my forensic files marathon
08:38 <+MillerBOSS> NO DON'T LEAVE ME WITH THEM
08:42 < plop> .bing millerboss
08:42 < plop> boo
08:43 < ayeitzabee> Only 15 more minutes :DD
08:43 <+MillerBOSS> I wonder why that doesn't work
08:43 < ayeitzabee> I like this one "{Satan did it}"
08:44 < plop> i like this one {the router thinks its a printer.}
08:44 <+MillerBOSS> lol
08:44 <+MillerBOSS> That is a good one
08:44 < plop> and there is the printer who thinks its a router
08:44 < plop> lol
08:44 < ayeitzabee> Why you commenting on your own stuff MillerBOSS
08:45 <+MillerBOSS> Because just to trigger you
08:45 < ayeitzabee> Well it worked
08:45 <+MillerBOSS> YES!!
08:45 < ayeitzabee> I am real fucking triggered
08:45 < ayeitzabee> Wtf is a .tlc?
08:46 < plop> rkeene can explain
08:46 <+MillerBOSS> You mean .tcl?
08:46 < plop> btw i haven't seen him for a while
08:46  * MillerBOSS is listening to Elvis Presley — Don't Be Cruel, from the album The Essential Elvis Presley (Remastered)
08:46 < ayeitzabee> Yeah that one
08:46 <+MillerBOSS> .seen rkeene
08:46 <+layer-eight> rkeene spoke in #reddit-sysadmin 2 days 21 hours 30 minutes 1 second ago. Message: :-P
08:46 < ayeitzabee> He is avoiding you plop
08:46 < plop> i know
08:46 < plop> .seen cryptic1
08:46 <+layer-eight> cryptic1 spoke in #reddit-sysadmin 7 hours 55 minutes 12 seconds ago. Message: shit
08:47 < ayeitzabee> Aye good ol' cryptic
08:47 < ayeitzabee> Ofc that is his last message
08:48 < nohusuro> ayeitzabee: .tcl is a file for a scripting language
08:48 < nohusuro> https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/tutorial/tcltutorial.html
08:48 < ayeitzabee> Yeah I googled it aha
08:48 <+MillerBOSS> .bing plop
08:48 <+layer-eight> Google 1,050,000 results found for: " plop "
08:48 <+layer-eight> Plop Website - 2018-03-02, Plop Linux 4.3.4 released. 2018-02-17, Plop Linux 4.3.4-test  released. 2018-02-16, Hfsprescue 3.4 released. 2018-02-04, PHP XML Sitemap  Generator 2.4 released. 2018-01-31, PHP XML Sitemap Generator 2.3 released.  2018-01-22, Plop Linux 4.3.4 build started. 2017-12-29, NASM Helper 1.0  released. : https://www.plop.at/
08:48 < nohusuro> Why is .bing googling
08:48 < plop> yay
08:48 <+MillerBOSS> Just to guck with people?
08:48 <+MillerBOSS> And fuck
08:48 < ayeitzabee> .bing ayeitzabee
08:48 < nohusuro> I fucking hate old style technology
08:48 <+layer-eight> Google 3 results found for: " ayeitzabee "
08:48 < nohusuro> sometimes
08:48 <+layer-eight> Issue adding Wazuh-API to Kibana - Mar 22, 2018 ... Hello again @ayeitzabee,. Thanks for your system details! The "The requested  URL was not found on this server" error that you're facing is related to the fact that  you're using a previous version of the Wazuh manager (v2.1.1) with the latest  versions of the Wazuh API and the Wazuh app (v3.2.1). When you ... : https://github.com/wazuh/wazuh-ki
08:49 < plop> s/guck/mess
08:49 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS meant: "Just to mess with people?"
08:49 < ayeitzabee> Aye its me bitching about shit :D
08:49 < nohusuro> we have several RS-232 or RS-485 timeclocks around the place, wired back to this one central location
08:49 < nohusuro> I've wired up all the stuff as I know how, ran their software, can see the TX line ticking over, but nothing updates -.-
08:49 <+MillerBOSS> I need to fix https://gist.github.com/MillerBoss/eb26a9e3cf7062a066fbbfdbf61d7c76 but ugh
08:50 < nohusuro> so many things could be the problem. the software, the usb to RS232 converter, ths RS242 to RS485 converter, the wires connecting all that bullshit
08:50 < nohusuro> I wish we'd just standardise on POE clocks like our other factory
08:50 < ayeitzabee> nohusuro, Why not network based?
08:51 < nohusuro> because there are 6 serial clocks which still receive power, and work, other than being 2 minutes out of time, and not updating.
08:51 < nohusuro> and management see that as "working", so don't want to sink money into updating them to POE
08:51 < ayeitzabee> What industry are you in?
08:52 < ayeitzabee> Never heard of fucking with serial clocks before
08:52 < nohusuro> which would mean running all new cables, getting them terminated, freeing up space on the POE switch or getting a new one
08:52 < nohusuro> ayeitzabee: manufacturing
08:52 < nohusuro> but the time clocks are literally just to show the time around the place
08:52 < nohusuro> people have phones for that shit
08:52 < nohusuro> or desk phones, or computers.
08:52 < nohusuro> we don't need wall clocks for time ffs
08:53 < ayeitzabee> At the hospital I worked it they were just POE network based, was the best shit
08:53 < ayeitzabee> Just plugged it in and set the port to the right VLAN
08:53 < nohusuro> basically replacing all the clocks would take a few peoples worth of man hours to get up to scratch
08:53 < nohusuro> they'd rather put me on trying to get the currect system working
08:53 < nohusuro> only sunk 30 minutes into it so far, so they're not losing much cash
08:53 < nohusuro> yeah, ayeitzabee that's what we have in our other workshop
08:54 < nohusuro> when that was set up, those were the clocks I made sure they bought
08:54 < nohusuro> work a charm
08:58 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: So ärtsoppa and pancakes for lunch?
09:00  * MillerBOSS is listening to Elvis Presley — Burning Love, from the album The Essential Elvis Presley (Remastered)
09:00 <+MillerBOSS> Hunka hunka hunks burning love
09:02 < sammm> hey, how do people manage private keys for use in a team?
09:02 < sammm> we hav ea number of private keys used to access servers, etc but they are strewn about fileservers, get copied to comptuers directly and we have no key rotation .. any ideas?
09:06 < humpaxx> sammm: just use the root account
09:06 < humpaxx> j/k don´t do that
09:07 < sammm> humpaxx: :^)
09:21 < humpaxx> Personally i use the root account to log in to VPSes that i manage
09:22 < humpaxx> It makes me feel powerful, having all that without having to use sudo
09:33 < rkeene> At the airport now, heading home
09:36 < plop> morning rkeene
09:38 < plop> .yt italodisco mix
09:38 <+layer-eight> YouTube 80's Italo Disco Mix Vol.1 - https://youtu.be/lKj_Zl_l4p0
09:39 < nohusuro> sammm: are your team fairly central, or are they spread out?
09:40 < nohusuro> you could use smart card logon with yubikeys
09:44 < Trapdoor> humpaxx, the fuck is an ärtsoppa?
09:46 < plop> probably a night table from ikea
09:47 < plop> .bing ärtsoppa
09:47 <+layer-eight> Google 27,700 results found for: " ärtsoppa "
09:47 <+layer-eight> Klassisk svensk ärtsoppa | Receptfavoriter - Klassisk svensk ärtsoppa är billig, god, lättlagad och nyttig mat. Klassisk svensk  ärtsoppa. Man kan utesluta fläsket för vegetarisk ärtsoppa (tillsätt då mer salt och  en till lök). : https://receptfavoriter.se/recept/aertsoppa-klassisk-svensk.html
09:55 < plop> lol
09:56 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: It worked that time.  Took forever to generate the certs (5USD/Month VPS...), but it worked.
09:57 < smrtz> The only thing I did differently was to change the .env file before running it first, and every other time it didn't spend forever generating the certs, so I think it was probably that?
09:58 < smrtz> And now that it's been created once, I can't change those creds again.
10:01 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: soup made from peas? don´t you have it?
10:01 < Trapdoor> ooh, ertesuppe
10:02 < Trapdoor> I don't think I've ever had pea sup
10:02 < Trapdoor> soup*
10:02 < Trapdoor> fine fine, I'll update my hexchat font
10:02 < Trapdoor> I've been using Consolas and I'm prety happy with it but noooo, ya'll want some extended ascii shit
10:03 < meowschwitz> so I just interviewed a JSA who told me a hilarious story
10:03 < meowschwitz> his employer decided to go into bitcoin cloud mining
10:03 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: So, on a fresh install it takes forever to bring up the docker-compose image, but it's very fast the second time, even after docker system purge -a.  Any ideas what's not being reset?
10:03 < meowschwitz> and in order to save money they decided to do it in ${easter european country} where they had their tech support center
10:04 < meowschwitz> except, of course, they wanted it even cheaper so they decided to put the mining hardware in an abandoned factory in another part of the country
10:04 < meowschwitz> blackout cometh, destroys 3/4 of their mining hardware
10:04 < Trapdoor> humpaxx, what encoding are you using for Â?
10:05 < meowschwitz> and there's noone within 300km to deal with it
10:16 < Trapdoor> heh, pounsd per square inch
10:17 < Trapdoor> more like 0.45359237kg per square 2.54cm
10:26 < Reverend> anyone ehre using vault?
10:27 < Hatsjoe> We're going to so I'm playing around with it
10:27 < Wannabejrsysadm> heya ladies :)
10:27 < Wannabejrsysadm> howya doinggg
10:27 < Hatsjoe> And went to a meetup last Monday where the co-founder of hashicorp was speaking
10:28 < Hatsjoe> He was showing vault 0.10
10:51 < kd0t> I'm running some a load of repetitive selenium tests with chromedriver (4790k) but its spiking my cpu every now and then to 100%. Other than getting a VPS are there any cpus that could handle tasks like that?
10:52 < kd0t> also running tests on remote sites not locally
10:54 < kd0t> will the i9s or ryzens be any better?
10:58 < Hatsjoe> How many threads are you using?
11:06 < kd0t> not using threading
11:06 < kd0t> since its just doing 1 task and refreshing
11:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> Sup boyz
11:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> I have a weird issue
11:08 < plop> sup Wannabejrsysadm
11:08 < kd0t> Processes 515
11:08 < kd0t> , Threads 5986, Handles 167827
11:08 < Wannabejrsysadm> A user gets here email at 10:44 while it shows its recieved at 10:36
11:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> https://www.screencast.com/t/XmUKvkFR
11:10 < Wannabejrsysadm> this is how it looks
11:10 < Trapdoor> time on server correct?
11:11 < Trapdoor> time on pc correct?
11:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> should be ye
11:11 < Wannabejrsysadm> ye times are correct
11:17 < mrWhiteMD> Wannabejrsysadm: did you tried ntpdate on client ?
11:17 < Wannabejrsysadm> I got why :)
11:18 < Wannabejrsysadm> appearantly
11:18 < Wannabejrsysadm> it got greylisted
11:18 < Wannabejrsysadm> at first
11:32 < Hatsjoe> kd0t: I meant, how many concurrent sessions/containers/tests are you running?
11:32 < Hatsjoe> i.e. how many "users"
11:33 < kd0t> about 20-30
11:33 < kd0t> not headless though using chrome
11:33 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: UTF8 i think?
11:34 < humpaxx> the webchat client does it automatically
11:35 < plop> so, we use a software for accounting that the company name starts with DA and the file for update the version is called da_patch.exe XDD
11:36 < Hatsjoe> kd0t: thats quite a lot, selenium is quite heavy so should only be used for functional testing and not for load testing
11:36 < Hatsjoe> you dont really need 20-30 concurrent users for functional tests
11:38 < humpaxx> plop: apply da patch, mon
11:38 < plop> i do, i do
11:48 < humpaxx> Does windows have a "su" command that lets you log into a different users account without their password?
11:51 < Wannabejrsysadm> nope
11:51 < Wannabejrsysadm> not that I know off :P
11:52 < Hatsjoe> As a administrator, use run as? Or does that still require the pass of the user?
11:53 < rkeene> humpaxx, You can build such a thing, but it's tedious
11:55 < humpaxx> rkeene: Nah i won´t spend time on that, was just wondering if its something available in windows (without 3rd party stuff)
11:56 < humpaxx> Hatsjoe: That prompts for the username and the password for that user
11:58 < Hatsjoe> humpaxx: I googled some more, and apparently there is no way of doing what you want out of the box, of course it can be hacked in but not sure if you want that
11:58 < Hatsjoe> What would you use-case be for this?
11:58 < Hatsjoe> s/you/your/
11:58 <+layer-eight> Hatsjoe meant: "What would your use-case be for this?"
12:11 < plop> .bofh
12:11 <+layer-eight> plop, BOFH says: loop found in loop in redundant loopback
12:11 < Trapdoor> humpaxx, webchat
12:11 < Trapdoor> ugh
12:46 < The_Dv8or> sup
12:47 < The_Dv8or> .bofh
12:47 <+layer-eight> The_Dv8or, BOFH says: Someone thought The Big Red Button was a light switch.
13:19 < humpaxx> Just got back from pizzahut
13:19 < humpaxx> Man i am so stuffed
13:20 < Hatsjoe> fatty
13:22 < humpaxx> Hatsjoe: Yeah im a fat fuck
13:23 < Hatsjoe> :D
13:23 < Hatsjoe> Embrace it!
13:40 < humpaxx> mfw i log into a win10 computer used to host some one-off thing and as soon as i logt in i get the "We got some updates for you, this will take a few minutes" screen
13:40 < humpaxx> I really, really hope it doesnt reboot
13:40 < humpaxx> Peuh, it didint
13:44 < Gencade> woohoo its thursday
13:44 < Gencade> it's friday's friday
13:47 < mkillebrew> win10? host?
13:55 < Sousapro> Can't believe onenote desktop is dead as of office 2019
13:55 < Sousapro> Guess I should try the UWP app again
13:56 < Sousapro> Was a dumpster fire last time I tried it
13:59 < kd0t> can you upload custom isos on linode?
13:59 < kd0t> i want to put windows on my vps
13:59 < hajhatt3n> ew
14:01  * meowschwitz stabs d-link
14:01  * meowschwitz stabs d-link
14:04 < Sousapro> kd0t: usually not. A lot of VPS are effectively very advanced chroots
14:05 < mkillebrew> https://www.reddit.com/r/MaliciousCompliance/comments/8dak80/you_want_a_problem_ticket_for_every_instance_of/
14:07 < kd0t> haha
14:08 < kd0t> thats awesome
14:10 < Casteil> mkillebrew: brutal
14:11 <@cryptic1> morning
14:11 <+CheckYourSix> Savage! I love it
14:11 <+CheckYourSix> Lazy fucks got what they deserved
14:11 < Gencade> morning cryptic1
14:13 < The_Dv8or> sup
14:16 < plop> so just recived a handmade card from a coworker with "be a nice human" written on it.
14:16 < plop> should i answer bip bop bop beeep bap?
14:17 <+CheckYourSix> Write back "How dare you assume my identity! I am a robot!"
14:17 < plop> that works too
14:17 < plop> r/totallynotrobots
14:18 < The_Dv8or> say that your nonbinary gender can only be expressed using binary code
14:18 < ihre> plop: did she just give one to you or also other colleagues? :p
14:18 < plop> lol
14:18 <+ktechmidas> someone just tried to scam me out of all my crypto \o/
14:18 < plop> ihre, just me haha
14:19 < plop> ihre, how is the new sofa?
14:19 <+ktechmidas> I feel like trying to phish a sysadmin is a rather futile task
14:19 < The_Dv8or> yo ktechmidas , can I have your crypto or somethin
14:19 < The_Dv8or> I feel like there are definitely enough sysadmins who would fall for that shit
14:19 < tapoxi> ktechmidas: hey I forgot my username and password
14:19 < ihre> plop: not arrived yet, still at the upholstery shop
14:19 < tapoxi> ktechmidas: can I have yours?
14:19 < The_Dv8or> sysadmins who have every cert under the sun, but dick real world experience
14:19 < ihre> reminds me, i have to give them a call for an update \o/
14:19 < plop> ihre, don't drop the beer on it
14:19 <+ktechmidas> oh the idiot... has 3389 open on his scamming server
14:20 < plop> ktechmidas, lol
14:20 < ihre> plop: beer doesnt really stain though, just stinks ^^
14:21 < plop> ihre, true
14:22 < tapoxi> so what are the cool kids using as jenkins alternatives these days
14:23 < tapoxi> is gitlab ci any good
14:24 <+giant_it_burrit> jenkins
14:25 < L3gacy> taco taco
14:32 < L3gacy> Wazzzup, peeps?
14:33 < humpaxx> Trying to troubleshoot an OKI ML3390 printer
14:33 < humpaxx> Its suddently stopped printing and windows just says "theres something wrong with this printer", but nothing more than that
14:34 < Trapdoor> restart the print spooler
14:36 < Casteil> damn, the fingerprint reader on this Moto X4 is really impressive
14:36 < Casteil> I literally cannot tap the sensor fast enough to get it to fail
14:36 < plop> ^ that's what FBI said
14:48 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/VGd11Is.png Happy spring/late April
14:49 <@cryptic1> There is snow here
14:49 <@cryptic1> hardly spring weather
14:50 < plop> 22ºC here
14:52 < mkillebrew> what's that in American
14:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> morninn fellas
14:53 < plop> i dunno, 70yards or something
14:53 < plop> sup McDonaldsWiFi
14:53 < plop> .google 22C to F
14:53 <+layer-eight> Google 1,050,000 results found for: " 22C to F "
14:53 <+layer-eight> Quickly Convert Between Fahrenheit and Celsius Without a Calculator - Jun 11, 2012 ... C to F: Multiply the temperature by 2 and then add 30 (actual formula is multiply  by 1.8, add 32) ex: 22 C is roughly equal to 74 degrees using my method, actual  conversion is 71.6. F to C: Now just work it backwards, subtract 30 from the temp.  and then divide by 2 (again, actual formula constants are 1.8 ..
14:54 < plop> .google 22 celsius to fahrenheid
14:54 <+layer-eight> Google 171 results found for: " 22 celsius to fahrenheid "
14:54 <+layer-eight> Celsius and Fahrenheit in Temperate Range - °F, °C. 0, -17.8. 1, -17.2. 2, -16.7. 3, -16.1. 4, -15.6. 5, -15.0. 6, -14.4. 7, -13.9. 8, - 13.3. 9, -12.8. 10, -12.2. 11, -11.7. 12, -11.1. 13, -10.6. 14, -10.0. °F, °C. 15, -9.4.  16, -8.9. 17, -8.3. 18, -7.8. 19, -7.2. 20, -6.7. 21, -6.1. 22, -5.6. 23, -5.0. 24, -4.4. 25,  -3.9. 26, -3.3. 27, -2.8. 28, -2.2. 29, -1.7. °F, °C. 30, -1.1. 31, -0.6
14:54 < plop> hmmm
14:54 < mkillebrew> .google %00
14:54 <+layer-eight> Google 1,150,000,000 results found for: " %00 "
14:54 <+layer-eight> Embedding Null Code - OWASP - Nov 4, 2015 ... The problem happens when a link is requested as: GET /some_dir/file.pdf.pdf% 00[long string] HTTP/1.1. In this case, the request must be made to a web server  that truncates the request at the null byte (%00), as Microsoft IIS and Netscape  Enterprise web servers. Though the requested URI is truncated for ... : https://www.owasp.org/index.php/Embeddin
14:55 < tsarbomba> mkillebrew is like the gomer pyle of security testing
14:55 < mkillebrew> .google \x00
14:55 <+layer-eight> Google 6,220 results found for: " \x00 "
14:55 <+layer-eight> What does \x00 mean in binary file? - Stack Overflow - An ASCII file might be read or interpreted as having NULL-terminated strings,  carriage returns & line-feeds, or other control characters, that are intended to be  read and acted on. For example, a text reader might look for a line of text, where  a line is "however many characters you see before you get to a linefeed". A  binary file ... : h
14:55 < mkillebrew> iknorite
14:55 < mkillebrew> these motherfuckers on nazi zombies won't fucking ready up so the match will start
14:56 < mkillebrew> then half the time they do, server is laggy as shit
14:57 < Reverend> .google recursion
14:57 <+layer-eight> Google 1,080,000 results found for: " recursion "
14:57 <+layer-eight> Recursion - Wikipedia - Recursion occurs when a thing is defined in terms of itself or of its type.  Recursion is used in a variety of disciplines ranging from linguistics to logic. The  most common application of recursion is in mathematics and computer science,  where a function being defined is applied within its own definition. While this  apparently ... : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurs
14:57 < Reverend> god dammit
14:57 < plop> .google do a barrel roll
14:57 <+layer-eight> Google 5,750,000 results found for: " do a barrel roll "
14:57 <+layer-eight> Do a Barrel Roll - funny Google tricks - Oct 23, 2015 ... Barrel Roll on your screen with the search interface performing a 360-degree  somersault before your eyes. : http://elgoog.im/doabarrelroll/
14:58 <+giant_it_burrit> stop plz
14:58 < Reverend> tell the creator of the bot....
14:58 <+giant_it_burrit> dont get it taken away you ass
14:58 < Reverend> these cancerous commands are not my doing
14:58 < plop> you can .bing too but it also googles
15:01 < calladc> has anyone here had the pleasure of dealing with oracle weblogic server?
15:05 < Alternity> o365 so special
15:06 < alazare619> so a morning radio show i listen to is awesome
15:07 < alazare619> anyways this morning they were talking about the nastiest smelling fart jack hannah has ever smelt
15:07 < alazare619> they were talking to jack hannah
15:07 < alazare619> anyways apparently suprisingly it wasnt high protien diet animals like lion
15:07 < alazare619> it was a gorilla...
15:08 < Bru-> morn
15:08 < alazare619> said the hippo was a close second
15:10 < mkillebrew> man I suck at zombies this morning
15:11 < tsarbomba> the two yoots
15:11 < tsarbomba> did reverend literally just blame the creator of a bot for his fucking spamming?
15:14 < felda> ding dong
15:15 < Reverend> tsarbomba yes I did.
15:16 < Reverend> at what point does mans need to be able to google in a public IRC channel
15:16 < Hatsjoe> .google at what point does mans need to be able to google in a public IRC channel
15:16 <+layer-eight> Google 189,000 results found for: " at what point does mans need to be able to google in a public IRC channel "
15:16 <+layer-eight> Wikipedia:Help desk - Wikipedia - Is there a way to italicize the article name at this point, or does the page have to  be moved? ... @Lforets: It's usually better to write an article as a Draft, and then  move to be an Article when it is ready. .... I also wonder how you would be able to  determine that "These problems did not exist when the edits were first made". : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
15:17 < Hatsjoe> Hmmm, google doesnt have the answer I'm afraid
15:17 < Trapdoor> s/[aeiu]/oo
15:17 <+layer-eight> Hatsjoe meant: "Hmmm, googloo dooosnt hoovoo thoo oonswoor I'm oofrooood"
15:17 < Hatsjoe> Trapdoor: ++
15:17 < Trapdoor> s/[aeiuAEIU]/oo
15:17 <+layer-eight> Hatsjoe meant: "Troopdoor: ++"
15:17 < Hatsjoe> :')
15:17 <+ktechmidas> well... I pissed off a scammer and now he's trying to break into our network :(
15:17 < Trapdoor> :D
15:17 < Hatsjoe> I like this bot
15:19 < tsarbomba> reverend, at what point is a man so thoroughly incapable of reining in his own impulses that he blames a fucking bot for his shitposting/spamming
15:20 < tsarbomba> feel free to ballpark it
15:20 < Reverend> Hatsjoe me too. especially when it winds up tsarbomba.
15:20 < tsarbomba> the bot is fine. it's your severe autism that bugs me.
15:20 < tsarbomba> s/severe/weapons-grade
15:20 <+layer-eight> tsarbomba meant: "the bot is fine. it's your weapons-grade autism that bugs me."
15:20 < Reverend> s/autism/awesomeness
15:20 <+layer-eight> tsarbomba meant: "the bot is fine. it's your weapons-grade awesomeness that bugs me."
15:21 < tsarbomba> see, now you just clowned yourself
15:21 < Reverend> weaponss-grade awesomeness is fine by me
15:21 < tsarbomba> it's not a thing
15:21 < Reverend> s/not/definitely
15:21 < tsarbomba> like your ability to self-regulate
15:21 <+layer-eight> tsarbomba meant: "it's definitely a thing"
15:21 < tsarbomba> yawn. bye, retardo
15:21 < Reverend> lol. k
15:21 < tsarbomba> my time and attention are too valuable for you
15:21 <+ktechmidas> guys plz
15:21  * Hatsjoe grabs popcorn
15:22 <+ktechmidas> kiss and make up
15:22 < Reverend> ofc. that's why you spend so much of it in here.
15:22 < Reverend> good bants
15:22 < Reverend> Hatsjoe good day so far then? xD
15:22  * tsarbomba drizzles caramel on the popcorn
15:22 < Hatsjoe> Its been a great day, its like 25 degrees C here right now, going to fire up the bbq when I get home
15:22 < JFDkthx> Hatsjoe: funny, cuz it's 25F here
15:23 < JFDkthx> fuck you spring
15:23 < JFDkthx> hurry up
15:23 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: sucks to be you
15:23 < Reverend> 29 degrees in our office >_<
15:23 < tsarbomba> i think it's right around 25c here now
15:23 < JFDkthx> yeah it does
15:23 < tsarbomba> maybe a little north of that
15:23 < Sousapro> naah summer will be like 98F with 99% humidity
15:23 < Sousapro> I'
15:23 < Sousapro> s/I'/I'm enjoying florida spring
15:23 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "I'm enjoying florida spring"
15:23 < tsarbomba> we call that the "miami sweats"
15:23 < Hatsjoe> Sousapro: I would kill myself in that case
15:23 < tsarbomba> and it's basically april-november
15:23 < Sousapro> Hatsjoe: oh, it took a lot of money to get me to come back
15:23 < Sousapro> :P
15:24 < Reverend> Might have to take a cheeky break and go stand in the server room for a bit. That 19 degree air con is legit.
15:24 < Hatsjoe> Hehehe
15:24 < JFDkthx> tsarbomba: not that bad with the breeze off the ocean
15:24 < tsarbomba> heh. it's funny how almost every professional i know down here cites money/job as #1 reason
15:24 < JFDkthx> but it is humid af
15:24 < tsarbomba> not the temps
15:24 < tsarbomba> not the tourists
15:24 < tsarbomba> not even the women walking around in skimpy clothing
15:24 < tsarbomba> nobody comes here unless they're getting mad cash for it
15:24 < tsarbomba> jfdkthx that breeze goes and dies at the hottest part of the day
15:25 < JFDkthx> maybe in miami
15:25 < Hatsjoe> I sometimes miss the days I still worked in a DC, it was really nice to just take my laptop and sit in one of the big server rooms, park my ass right on a cool air vent on the ground
15:25 < tsarbomba> it gets to the point where sometimes you're begging for that 4pm thunderstorm to come cool things off by a few degrees
15:25 < JFDkthx> never been
15:25 < Reverend> tsarbomba where you at?
15:25 < tsarbomba> hatsjoe, i worked a few days a couple weeks ago in the server room, all day long. i like cold. but after a while i was chilled to the bone
15:25 < JFDkthx> Hatsjoe: take your shoes off and pull a tile so the air goes up your legs
15:25 < Sousapro> tsarbomba: not quite getting mad cash but it's like an extra 1.5k in my pocket every month
15:25 < tsarbomba> brought in a hoodie so i wouldn't turn into a freezy pop
15:25 < Sousapro> so was worth
15:25 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: No clue why I have never thought of that before, thats genius!
15:25 < JFDkthx> do you guys give your application admins sudo?
15:26 < Hatsjoe> fuck no
15:26 < Sousapro> not unless VP makes me
15:26 < Hatsjoe> they dont even get ssh
15:26 < mrWhiteMD> Does humanity invented universal metric system like UTC ? I'm getting pissed off when i see Fahrenheit and Miles
15:26 < JFDkthx> so your cloud engineers
15:26 < tsarbomba> give them an isolated VM to break
15:26 < JFDkthx> your webserver admins
15:26 < Sousapro> s/engineers/navelgazers
15:26 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "so your cloud navelgazers"
15:26 < JFDkthx> none of them have sudo?
15:26 <+ktechmidas> I once did... to certain applications on the server, they mv'd /bin/bash to /bin/tar
15:26 < tsarbomba> mrwhitemd, europeans invented it. real humans rejected it.
15:26 <+ktechmidas> fuckers
15:26 < mrWhiteMD> tsarbomba: +++ )))
15:26 < JFDkthx> ktechmidas: i have had more problems out of devs then our app admin
15:26 <+ktechmidas> sudo /bin/tar gave them everything they needed
15:26 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: our env is immutable, if something breaks, just kill it, if you need to investigate, open up kibana
15:26 < Sousapro> ktechmidas: they get to be smart once
15:27 < JFDkthx> our app admin hasnt created a problme but regularly fixes shit.
15:27 < Sousapro> ktechmidas: document and reject, citing previous breach of trust
15:27 < JFDkthx> Sousapro: thats how i feel
15:27 < tsarbomba> j/k it's actually more of a language thing imo. when i was designing and testing turbines we would have to seamlessly switch between imperial and metric for our german, romanian, etc. customers
15:27 <+ktechmidas> Yeah... pain in the ass was my other admin locked himself out of a server
15:27 <+ktechmidas> and the dev came up
15:27 <+ktechmidas> and saved his ass
15:27 < JFDkthx> app guy wants to deply software for the team he supports. and check logs on apps he supports.
15:27 < Hatsjoe> how would you lock yourself out of a server?
15:27 < Sousapro> yeah, but that one dev can be a special case
15:28 < tsarbomba> then we would deal with DoD and it was a total mix. the senior staff always used imperial but the techies were all about metric
15:28 < Sousapro> Hatsjoe: by being a moron
15:28 < JFDkthx> sr admn doesnt want to give sudo for it.
15:28 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: deploy shit with jenkins, put logs in elasticsearch, problem solved
15:28 < Sousapro> Hatsjoe: leave a space in the pam config or something
15:28 < Sousapro> Hatsjoe: suddenly can't log in
15:28 < tsarbomba> if you ever do work with rolls royce plc you're going to have to convert metric to imperial and back on a dime
15:28 < Hatsjoe> Sousapro: what an idiot :)
15:28 < JFDkthx> Hatsjoe: i was thnking of asking him to write something in ansible.
15:28 < Reverend> anyone here had issues with graphite storing graphs with %20 instead of a space in it's name?
15:28 <+ktechmidas> Hatsjoe, he broke something... killed our entire group, a few years back now so I don't remember
15:28 < Sousapro> Hatsjoe: you asked how you could get totally locked out, that's about all I can think of
15:28 < Reverend> can't get migrated data to work, cus spaces :/
15:29 < JFDkthx> what i dont want is to sit with him for a week while he builds something.
15:29 <+ktechmidas> but the dev saved his ass after I'd been trying to fix it for an hour
15:29 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: you'll be better off making a nice CI/CD pipeline than doing it in ansible, unless deploying means running a single command or something
15:29 < JFDkthx> kk
15:29 < JFDkthx> thanks
15:29 < tsarbomba> oh good chromium blew up for no good reason again
15:29 < jaelae> "i was able to connectg to this server for the past two weeks but suddenly i cannot connect."
15:29 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: you're already using jenkins for builds and stuff?
15:29 < jaelae> 2 days later i work on the ticket and discover he shutdown the server. he said yea i accidently shutdown instead of disconnecting
15:30 < Hatsjoe> Or are builds not centralized?
15:30 < jaelae> but why not put that in the ticket? :)
15:30 < JFDkthx> Hatsjoe: im not, devs are
15:30 < jaelae> i had to verify why the server was powered off
15:30 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: alright, if dev already uses jenkins, then definitly add a CD pipeline as well
15:31 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: is your env in the cloud or on premises?
15:31 < JFDkthx> Hatsjoe: on prem, but some software dev stuff is in the cloud
15:31 < tsarbomba> for post-mortems i just ask the bot
15:31 < tsarbomba> .bofh
15:31 <+layer-eight> tsarbomba, BOFH says: astropneumatic oscillations in the water-cooling
15:36 < felda> Damn Google going ham with Chrome  https://tutsplanet.com/news/chrome-chooses-to-mark-all-no-https-sites-as-insecure-starting-from-july-2018/
15:36 < felda> Chrome chooses to mark all no https sites as insecure starting from July 2018.  It won't actually stop you it will just show in the bar INSECURE
15:37 <+TuxedoJack> I've already gotten tickets from pissed-off clients about that
15:37 <+TuxedoJack> "I don't WANT to have to redo my site to run over HTTPS! THe web developer is going to charge us!"
15:37 < felda> TuxedoJack it only shows a small blip on the bar
15:38 <+TuxedoJack> "Well, don't run a fucking shopping site without SSL, then, feces foundry."
15:38 < felda> lol
15:38 < felda> we have a 1 page website about pallets and even that has HTTPS
15:38 < felda> you can't even place orders or enter any info and it has HTTPS
15:40 < felda> lol this quote from /r/sysadmin "Sometimes you just have to meet the stupid halfway"
15:42 < Hunterkll> there's a whole segment of the 'net that needs, absolutely needs, non-https
15:42 < Hunterkll> or https from a different era, if you must, with keys that public CAs won't sign anymore
15:46 < v4ult> recommendations for a good mid-range router with decent support?
15:46 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: Why? Eradicate legacy stuff
15:46 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, oh yes, let me just throw away peices of history and not try to keep them in working order with avaialble file transfer mechanisms
15:47 < Hunterkll> or, counter-part, show me a working vulnerability on a fully patched NeXTstep 3.3 system
15:47 < Hunterkll> ;)
15:47 <+CheckYourSix> Lol nobody is gonna bother hacking that
15:47 < Hunterkll> lemme get ssh2 working on a 33mhz 32-bit sparc system integrated into a monitor running off an NFS1/2 netboot source
15:48 < Hunterkll> well, at least with modern IRIX i can get reasonably close, but that's still at least 15 years old
15:48 <+CheckYourSix> You can enjoy that legacy stuff all you want.
15:49 < Hunterkll> Enjoy? I enjoy the sheer profit i make off of it
15:49 < Hunterkll> lol
15:49 <+CheckYourSix> How do you profit
15:49 < Hunterkll> Shit, have you seen what a NeXTcube goes for on ebay?
15:49 < mkillebrew> just wait for it to run out of memory and start swapping over NFS
15:49 < Hunterkll> $1500+
15:49 < Hunterkll> I get 'em for like, dirt cheap or in one case, pallets worth for free
15:49 < Hunterkll> restore 'em hook 'em up and sell 'em
15:50 < Hunterkll> I don't have 17 of the same laser printer because I want 17 printers
15:50 < Hunterkll> I have 17 because I need parts to build good ones for sale
15:50 < Hunterkll> and because Canon LX engine parts are getting hard to find
15:50 < mkillebrew> wait, "modern IRIX"?
15:50 < mkillebrew> when was the last release
15:50 < Hunterkll> mkillebrew, i did say also '15 years old'
15:51 < Hunterkll> though, the last point release was only 11 years ago
15:51 < Hunterkll> and it was patched up until 2014, i think
15:51 < mkillebrew> ah ok
15:51 < mkillebrew> I gave away my Octane 2s like 2012-ish
15:51 < Hunterkll> but i call 'modern' irix 6.4/6.5
15:53 < mkillebrew> and my power bill dropped significantly
15:53 < Hunterkll> lol
15:53 < Hunterkll> if that was a signifigant power drop....
15:54 < mkillebrew> I gave away all my older stuff
15:54 < Hunterkll> I was gonna say, that's like a 300W system
15:54 < Hunterkll> lol
15:54 < mkillebrew> SGIs, Alphas, VAXen, Sun, whatever
15:54 < Hunterkll> that's less than my modern desktop
15:54 < Hunterkll> yea
15:54 < Hunterkll> i refurb, sell, trade, etc
15:54 < mkillebrew> I had a DEC 7000 AXP two-node cluster with 3 full IO cabinets as well, build to run on two-phase power
15:54 < Hunterkll> I've got a fleet of IPX/LX/etcs to get out there
15:54 < Hunterkll> lol
15:55 < mkillebrew> so five full height cabinets
15:55 < Hunterkll> that's a bit much for me to have right now
15:55 < mkillebrew> running VMS
15:55 < Hunterkll> I deal with enough logistics tricking museums into storing my s/360
15:55 < Hunterkll> I have 1 full rack, and it's got a mix of stuff in it
15:55 < mkillebrew> I never did get a PDP-11, I still think that'd be cool to have
15:56 < Hunterkll> I do run an IBM PS/2 model 70 24/7 though
15:56 < Hunterkll> it's a Wildcat! 4 BBS
15:58 < mkillebrew> I've been thinking about building a relay-based computer for a while, imagine all that satisfying clicking
15:59 < Trapdoor> if you make it fast enough it'll just be a high pitched whine
16:03 < munsking> hello
16:03 < munsking> is anyone elses reddit broken?
16:04 < munsking> first i couldn't go to the main page anymore, subreddits still worked though, then i thought it might be an issue with my session or something, so i logged out (via subreddit page)
16:04 < munsking> now i keep getting that new design, can't login anymore, clicking "go back to old design" is borked and doesn't do anything
16:05 < munsking> but if i open reddit in an incognito window, it looks like "old" reddit, but as soon as i log in it's broken again
16:06 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2018/04/18/she-wore-a-dinosaur-puppet-during-a-military-oath-it-got-her-and-a-colonel-removed-from-the-job/?utm_term=.572557679c86
16:06 < JFDkthx> you see this fucking shit
16:06 < JFDkthx> fucking dumbass guard msgt
16:08 < Hatter> fine but do we need that sort of language this early in the morning?
16:08 < JFDkthx> fuck you hatter
16:08 <@mistiry> morning
16:09 < technonerd> Poor choice at reenlistment
16:10 < tsarbomba> no puppet! no puppuet! you're the puppet!
16:10 < JFDkthx> also rip reddit
16:10 < JFDkthx> you willnot bemissed
16:10 < int0x1C8> its the Nasty Girls... who gives that much of a shit
16:11 < Hunterkll> AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
16:11 < Hunterkll> http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2017/05/26/lt-div-class-libPageBodyLinebreak-gt-Cash-bail-set-in-porn-video-case-lt-div-gt.html
16:11 < Hunterkll> AHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
16:11 < Hunterkll> #1. don't fuck dogs
16:11 < Hunterkll> #2. don't do it in public
16:11 < Hunterkll> #3. don't then sell the videos
16:11 < Hunterkll> or you get
16:12 < Hunterkll> #4. put in jail
16:12 < JFDkthx> is that the chick in like wisconsin
16:12 < Hunterkll> yes
16:12 < tsarbomba> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbAsoqnW0AE7bPt.jpg
16:12 < Hunterkll> ahahahaha
16:12 < tsarbomba> i've been laughing at that tweet for like 5 minutes
16:12 < Hunterkll> looooool
16:12 < int0x1C8> of course its wisconsin
16:13 < munsking> is that that wisconsin woman thing? lol
16:13 < JFDkthx> Hunterkll: if it's who i think it is, i remember her saying shit like dogs are better than men etc etc
16:13 < Hunterkll> yes
16:13 < int0x1C8> I hate and love this state
16:13 < Hunterkll> that's exactly who it is
16:13 < JFDkthx> im not clicking the link at work
16:13 < JFDkthx> what a dumb whore
16:13 < tsarbomba> is "whitney wisconsin" really a good ho name?
16:13 < Hunterkll> its ... pretty white
16:13 < Hunterkll> if ya ask me
16:13 < tsarbomba> "whitney" sounds like an annoying aunt and nobody thinks "wisconsin" and gets horny
16:13 < JFDkthx> tsarbomba: whiteney
16:13 < tsarbomba> except heifers with cheese addictions
16:14 < JFDkthx> i like cheese
16:14 < tsarbomba> me too. but i don't go to wisconsin with a raging hard-on for it
16:14 < JFDkthx> oh yeah
16:14 < JFDkthx> me neither
16:14 < JFDkthx> haha
16:14 < JFDkthx> who would
16:14 < JFDkthx> so weird
16:14 < int0x1C8> live in WI, can confirm
16:14 < technonerd> I cross the border to get spotted cow
16:14 < JFDkthx> int0x1C8: do you know here?
16:14 < JFDkthx> i mean there are only like 400k people there
16:14 < munsking> >"It’s just other people being offended by what she was doing,” Moertel said. “There’s no danger to the community.”
16:15 < munsking> well i for one don't want her near any of my pets
16:15 < int0x1C8> yeah man she was my cell mate
16:15 < JFDkthx> cool cool
16:15 < JFDkthx> munsking dont move to Wi where that type of stuff is tolerated
16:15 < JFDkthx> apparently
16:15 < dragonfleas> 5 hour energys DO NOT WORK
16:16 < Hunterkll> JFDkthx, apparently it's not tolerated. they extradited her from florida
16:16 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: you know what does work? a proper diet and adequate sleep
16:16 < Hunterkll> wait
16:16 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, how can you get adequate sleep when you're working on a 2003r2 functional level migration to 2012 r2
16:16 < Hunterkll> so she fucks the dogs
16:16 < munsking> JFDkthx: not planning on going anywhere near the USA, i'm staying here in austria... where old men lock their daughters up in the basement for years, but that wasn't tolerated tbh
16:16 < Hunterkll> and gets a $1500 cash bail
16:16 < Hunterkll> and the other guy gets $20k?
16:17 < JFDkthx> Hunterkll: wage gap
16:17 < Hunterkll> "Police were able to identify Lew and Oliver as suspects through the adult websites and other online sources.
16:17 < Hunterkll> "
16:17 < Hunterkll> the fuck
16:17 < Hunterkll> cops sitting there watching porn all day
16:17 < Hunterkll> best case ever
16:17 < JFDkthx> he probably got hit with distribution
16:17 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, my diet is fine, I eat fruit, and i only eat junk food like once a week, most of the time I'm eating sandwiches home made, lots of wheat, lots of veggies
16:17 < grumplestiltzkin> JFDkthx: that the whole situation happened is pretty jacked. a Col and senior staff NCOs should know better. Even if it was 'for her kids' it shouldn't have been posted on facebook. If they hadn't done that, likely nothing would ever have happened.
16:17 < Hunterkll> ohhh
16:17 < Hunterkll> "Oliver was located by police in Florida and extradited to Eau Claire County for felony child pornography charges.
16:17 < Hunterkll> "
16:17 < Hunterkll> wait
16:17 < Hunterkll> how fucking old was she in 2015?
16:17 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: people do a lot of neat stuff for re-enlistments. but cmon a talking fucking puppet
16:18 < Hunterkll> O.O
16:18 < Hunterkll> oh
16:18 < Hunterkll> she's 20 now
16:18 < Hunterkll> :o
16:18 < tsarbomba> dragonfleas i had the same experience with 5 hour energy
16:18 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: go grab some pre workout
16:18 < munsking> she's 20 now? oops
16:18 < dragonfleas> tsarbomba, it gave me energy for like ~45-1hr
16:18 < Hunterkll> yep
16:18 < Hunterkll> missed her first court apperance for the porno shit in 2015
16:18 < Hunterkll> whooops
16:18 < humpaxx> I was looking at the windows 10 E3 licensing, $7 per month to have a clutter-free windows OS
16:18 < dragonfleas> but like afterwards the crash was HARD i'm like falling asleep at my desk
16:19 < humpaxx> what a rip off
16:19 < tsarbomba> the only time i ever drank one i was kinda tired but not like bone-exhausted or anything. i drank it, ran around the house doing some chores, then sat down for like 10 minutes. next thing i know it's around 2am and i am waking up on the couch
16:19 < tsarbomba> i didn't even notice the energy
16:19 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, it's still an upgrade license, you still need your base license
16:19 < grumplestiltzkin> JFDkthx: and I bet a good portion of the more 'interesting' re-enlistment ceremonies would get a slap from a General if seen - but unless someone blue falcons your shit and posts it online, you are probably safe-ish
16:19 < Hunterkll> it's just a arental for enterprise instead of buying it straight out with SA
16:19 < tsarbomba> meanwhile if i drink like a monster red or something i'm keyed up from the feet up for hours
16:19 < Hunterkll> and it's not "clutter-free"
16:19 < ScottAbraham>  what the hell are you idiots talking about?
16:19 < dragonfleas> tsarbomba, yeah monster does the drink for me but it's gross
16:19 < tsarbomba> the red isn't too bad
16:19 < dragonfleas> i haven't tried it
16:19 < tsarbomba> still, that taurine shit will kill you
16:19 < Trapdoor> coffee
16:19 < tsarbomba> i try to avoid it
16:20 < grumplestiltzkin> JFDkthx: I'm not supporting the puppet shit at all, just saying, these SENIOR officers and staff NCOs were being jackwagons.  Then they hosed themselves by making it available for all to see
16:20 < JFDkthx> ScottAbraham: whitney wisconsin, energy drinks, and reenlistments
16:20 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: isn´t that version free from the crapware ads?
16:20 < dragonfleas> is there taurine in 5hr?
16:20 < humpaxx> Like LTSB
16:20 < tsarbomba> yeah i have been buying pre-mixed iced coffee/cold brew to leave in the fridge at work lately
16:20 < tsarbomba> good afternoon pick-me-up
16:20 < xtensive> Old fashioned coffee
16:20 < ScottAbraham> and kiddie porn you disgusting perverts
16:20 < tsarbomba> dragonfleas, i would assume so
16:20 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, LTSB shouldn't ever be used for workstations, and you should learn how to properly manage windows workstations. BUT. out of box, enterprise, except for having additional features, is no different then 10 pro is out of box.
16:20 < dragonfleas> maybe i should chug two of them
16:20 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: i wouldnt do it because in the AF we're always super concerned about our public image. and she was a PA officer.
16:20 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, but if you actually properly manage your system with GPOs and don't fuck with the appx packages and shit, it's super easy to manage and nothing happens
16:20 < JFDkthx> like
16:20 < JFDkthx> come on.
16:20 < dragonfleas> i haven't been getting the extra strength ones because i don't wanna destroy my heart
16:21 < Hunterkll> if you fuck with the appx stuff you have a bad day
16:21 < dragonfleas> but maybe i'll try the extra strength
16:21 < tsarbomba> is scottabraham a neophyte edgelord practicing his irc "cleverness"?
16:21 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yeah there's a script to unfuck appx tho
16:21 < munsking> where can i find some good documentation on how to structure an active directory? or is it more of a case by case thing?
16:21 < JFDkthx> tsarbomba: fooled me
16:21 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, no no - don't touch appx at all
16:21 < tsarbomba> i think if you drink too much taurine you are risking damage to your liver
16:21 < Hunterkll> i've had it *BREAK* windows updating before
16:21 < Hunterkll> seriously
16:21 < JFDkthx> you could say the same thing about water
16:21 < munsking> we currently just have 1 OU for users and 1 OU for computers, i think it's just the default ones
16:21 < Hunterkll> there's no fucking need to
16:21 < Hunterkll> don't use any of those 'decrapifying' scripts
16:21 < tsarbomba> true, but the LD50 of water is a fuckton higher
16:21 < Hunterkll> that's how you fuck shit up
16:22 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: Does properly managing them include running applications designed to "de-bloat" windows 10?
16:22 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yeah, yeah, you can do it right but it's not easy to do it right. the script that exists doesn't work anymore but i used it
16:22 < JFDkthx> munsking: what about your groups, and office locations
16:22 < tsarbomba> also if you drink too much water your kidneys are likely to go long before your liver
16:22 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, 'de-bloat' by removing 16kb stubs?
16:22 < Hunterkll> yes
16:22 < Hunterkll> they are just 16kb stubs until you sign into store and run them
16:22 < xtensive> that would be a hell of a lot of water tsarbomba
16:22 < Hunterkll> they aren't 'bloat'
16:22 < tsarbomba> indeed
16:22 < JFDkthx> Hunterkll: i still dont like them!
16:22 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: i see
16:22 < Hunterkll> THEN SET THE RIGHT FUCKING GPO SO THAT BUILD UPGRADES DONT FUCK YOU
16:22 < xtensive> I drink beer, let the kidneys and liver duke it out
16:22 < Hunterkll> i see SOOO Many people doing that shit
16:23 < Hunterkll> spending SO much effort
16:23 < Hunterkll> just to do it all over again every  build
16:23 < Hunterkll> whereas i'm juts here
16:23 < felda> listening to the same song on repeat for an hour to achieve maximum focus and productivity... I'm definitely $100% not on the spectrum
16:23 < Hunterkll> swapping WIMs, updating GPO pack, test, okay, deploy, have a nice day
16:23 < Hunterkll> i can have a one day turnaround on that, with testing multiple hardware platforms
16:23 < munsking> JFDkthx: my idea was to create a new OU in root, named after the parent company, then OUs for every office/building we have, then the departments with "computers" and "users" OUs in there
16:23 < Hunterkll> and it's just as 'decrapped' as everyone else's
16:23 < munsking> dunno if that's too many layers
16:23 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: you got some info on wich GPOs etc?
16:23 < Hunterkll> because i do it right
16:23 < tsarbomba> i asked the doc about this one time, no lie. i had been hitting rehab hard after my knee injury and spending a lot of time at the gym. so i found myself drinking obscene amounts of water. doc says not only is the "8x 8oz glasses of water" guideline bullshit, but there is plenty of wiggle room in both directions to be healthy. i was pounding about a gallon a day (2x the "limit") and a little worried
16:23 < grumplestiltzkin> tsarbomba: hyponutremia .. (sp)    like, when you drink so much water that all yor electrolytes are flushed.             If that happens, the only cure is BRAWNDO
16:23 < JFDkthx> munsking: little extreme
16:23 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, for enterprise off the bat yes, for pro you'll want to use gpp prefs to set some reg keys those scripts do sometimes, etc
16:23 < Hunterkll> it's a mix
16:24 < tsarbomba> tl;dr you will literally piss yourself to death long before too much water kills your insides
16:24 < Hunterkll> but mainly it's called "i don't like that, let me check technet."
16:24 < Hunterkll> instead of "i don't like that, let me listen to whiney bitches on reddit"
16:24 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: ah
16:24 < grumplestiltzkin> tsarbomba: 1 gal a day is *nothing* if you are physically active all day
16:24 < tsarbomba> yup
16:24 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: but the whiney bitches seem to have solved the prolbm for me :p
16:24 < tsarbomba> so since then i haven't worried too much about it
16:24 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, until the next build upgrade
16:24 < tsarbomba> i still pound a lot of water even though i'm not doing PT daily now
16:24 < Hunterkll> then you have to do it all over again
16:24 < Hunterkll> :)
16:25 < munsking> JFDkthx: guessed that'd be a bit much, but i thought that might be the easiest solution for GPOs n stuff
16:25 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, to be honest, build upgrades take less effort for our teams now then windows 7 did
16:25 < Hunterkll> think about that
16:25 < tsarbomba> i have a 60oz thermos-style jug-cup that keeps anything inside cold or hot
16:25 < tsarbomba> so i often fill that with water and leave it on the desk for the day
16:25 < int0x1C8> if you drink too much water it'll dilute your blood and you'll die!!!!
16:25 < tsarbomba> muh diluted bloods!
16:26 < Hunterkll> doesn't that just make the blood more effective?
16:26 < Hunterkll> :>
16:26 < int0x1C8> webmd, if its not cancer its diluted blood
16:26 < JFDkthx> munsking: how far apart are your offices and buildings that you need seperate gpos.
16:26 < JFDkthx> is there that big of a difference in your domain?
16:26 < Hunterkll> you don't have one AD domain per floor?
16:27 < JFDkthx> Hunterkll: i've got 5 domains in one building. but we're "special"
16:27 < munsking> a country, different laws, germany cannot get any access to our austrian stuff
16:27 < Hunterkll> I have admin credentials in over 30 AD domains
16:27 < Hunterkll> lol
16:27 < Hunterkll> munsking, i'd be doing separate forests at that point
16:27 < JFDkthx> touch you twice
16:27 < Hunterkll> AD forests are the only true AD security boundary
16:27 < Hunterkll> nothing else is considered a security boundary
16:27 < xtensive> looks like I broke reddit, sorry fellas
16:28 < munsking> can't quite tell if you're serious or not
16:28 < Hunterkll> xtensive, oh that was you? whew
16:28  * Hunterkll puts down passport
16:28 < Casteil> https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/tls/d/become-your-own-mobile/6546160449.html lol craigslist
16:28 < Hunterkll> munsking, I am. AD forests are literally considered the only security boundary in AD design
16:28 < munsking> alright
16:28 < Hunterkll> Trusts are too easy to abuse and traverse inside forests
16:28 < Casteil> "buy my hilariously outdated 8 year old toughbook for near what it cost new please"
16:28 < Hunterkll> munsking, Microsoft also does NOT consider AppLocker a security feature
16:28 < Hunterkll> chew on that one too
16:28 < munsking> applocker?
16:29 < Hunterkll> whitelist/blacklist of applications allowed to run on a system
16:29 < Hunterkll> by hash, location, etc
16:29 < munsking> tbh i consider anything microsoft a security issue, but that's me
16:29 < munsking> ah ok
16:29 < vader-> any of you ever try going gluten free?
16:29 < Hunterkll> they consider it a management tool
16:29 < Hunterkll> :)
16:29  * xtensive grabs Hunterkll's passport
16:29 < Hunterkll> and applocker bypasses aren't a security issue to them
16:29 < xtensive> What were you doing in Thailand?
16:29 < Hunterkll> whaaat?
16:29 < Hunterkll> my most recent exit stamp was from iceland on the 16th O.o
16:30 < munsking> i mean... that's one way to deal with it... and it wouldnt be the first time microsoft called a bug something else lol
16:30 < Hunterkll> but yes
16:30 < Hunterkll> now, i mean, for compliance reasons you probably don't need to go that hard
16:30 < Hunterkll> but cross-forest is the only true firewall you can do to prevent any/all data enumeration you don't specifically filter/allowe
16:31 < Hunterkll> domains are just boundaries of delegation for administration
16:31 < munsking> yea okay, but i'm not going to do that any time soon, it'll cause more issues than it'll do good, at least at the moment
16:31 < munsking> i just need to clean up this AD first, i'll deal with the german/austria stuff later
16:31 < Hunterkll> munsking, but yes, separate domains would be the easiest
16:32 < Hunterkll> then you can just trust and do delegation via local/global groups
16:32 < JFDkthx> Hunterkll: heard you found your name on the statue
16:32 < Hunterkll> yes
16:32 < Hunterkll> lol
16:32 < JFDkthx> we all have cyno alts on it
16:32 < Hunterkll> munsking, https://blogs.msmvps.com/ulfbsimonweidner/2007/08/25/security-boundary-forest-vs-domain/
16:32 < JFDkthx> ur not special
16:32 < Hunterkll> good read
16:32 < JFDkthx> u turd
16:32 < Hunterkll> JFDkthx, yea but my name pre-dates EVE
16:32 < Hunterkll> so
16:32 < Hunterkll> :P
16:32 < munsking> Hunterkll: thanks
16:32 < JFDkthx> and mine doesnt D:
16:32 < JFDkthx> its on there too dont worry
16:33 < int0x1C8> man, haven't played eve since like 2010
16:33 < Hunterkll> ^ HES NOT ON THE STATUE
16:33 < Hunterkll> HAHA
16:33  * JFDkthx laughs at int0x1C8
16:33 <@JollyRgrs> man, i haven't played eve
16:33 <@JollyRgrs> ... ever
16:33 < Hunterkll> ^HE HAS A LIFE
16:33 < Hunterkll> HAHA
16:33 <@JollyRgrs> :)
16:33 < JFDkthx> im fucking hungry
16:33 < dragonfleas> our old computers that we retire to be training computers are the bane of my existence
16:34 < int0x1C8> I think I'm still logged out in my carrier in... whatever that region is that BoB took over from ASCN
16:34 < Trapdoor> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbTxfN8d2CI oh this is good, this is so good
16:34 <+layer-eight> YouTube "Be Worry, Don't Happy": Minor key by 2013-07-18T14:48:26.000Z (duration: 3:51) on Thu Jul 18 21:48:26 UTC 2013, 2013-07-18T14:48:26.000Z views
16:35 < dragonfleas> is it best practices to set up a domain for each site, in the same forest? or one forest with multiple logical sites?
16:35 < Trapdoor> one domain
16:35 < dragonfleas> I never get a definitive answer, i hear one domain for management purposes, but i also hear multiple domains because it's an added layer of security
16:35 < bmurt> anyone play pubg mobile?
16:36 < Trapdoor> -> one domain <-
16:36 < dragonfleas> is that where the boundary security theory comes in?
16:36 < dragonfleas> Trapdoor, gotcha
16:36 < Trapdoor> ein folk
16:36 < dragonfleas> but why?
16:36 < Trapdoor> ein reich
16:36 < Trapdoor> ein domain
16:36 < int0x1C8> esoteria thats it
16:36 < dragonfleas> why one domain?
16:36 < dragonfleas> IRS systems are running off assembly
16:36 < dragonfleas> wow
16:37 < dragonfleas> TIL
16:37 <+giant_it_burrit> wut
16:37 < dragonfleas> why IRS systems go down constantly
16:37  * giant_it_burrit learned assembly
16:37 < meowschwitz> not ((( me )))
16:37 < dragonfleas> i wish I knew assembly rofl
16:38 < int0x1C8> mov   s1, s0
16:38 < int0x1C8> jmp s0
16:38 < int0x1C8> whatever
16:38 < dragonfleas> did you guys read the story about that 17 year old kid that purchased a massive mainframe and put it in his cellar
16:38 < Trapdoor> dragonfleas, there aren't really any good reasons for running multiple domains
16:38 < dragonfleas> Trapdoor, then why is it an option lmao
16:38 < Trapdoor> it's not
16:38 < dragonfleas> microsoft put it there to test your faith
16:39 < Trapdoor> a DC can only host one domain
16:39 < dragonfleas> Trapdoor, I understand this, but you can have multiple domains in a forest, we have 5 domain controllers in our environment
16:40 < Trapdoor> What's your use case?
16:41 < dragonfleas> We have 3 physical sites, 3 logical sites, 3 domain controllers at HQ and 1 at each site
16:41 < Trapdoor> Same company?
16:41 < dragonfleas> Yes
16:41 < Trapdoor> Same domain
16:41 < Trapdoor> simple
16:41 < dragonfleas> Okay so same company same domain
16:41 < Trapdoor> Pretty much
16:41 < Trapdoor> You can go multiple domains if you hate yourself
16:41 < dragonfleas> so MSP with infrastructure hosting could set up multiple domain forest for management purposes and segregate them?
16:42 < dragonfleas> I'm just curious as to what situation that would be the practice
16:42 < Trapdoor> They could yea, if the clients require specific domain-wide policies like password rules/expiration, account lockout, kerberos time-out etc
16:42 < pcspkr> the security boundary in ad is the forest
16:43 < grumplestiltzkin> is this old news now?   https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iceland-bitcoin-heist-sindri-thor-stefansson-sweden-flight-katrin-jakobsdottir/   'bitcoin heist' guy walks out of prison and flies out of the iceland
16:44 < Trapdoor> it's the ultimate boundary yea pcspkr but each domain is also its sub-elements' boundary
16:45 < pcspkr> you can take over the entire forest from a subdomain
16:45 < Trapdoor> even as domain admin? I thought you needed to be enterprise admin
16:45 < pcspkr> yeah
16:45 < Trapdoor> aah, domain admins can make themselves enterprise admins
16:46 < Trapdoor> still, this isn't a case of dragonfleas's company being a reseller or msp
16:48 < Trapdoor> basically dragonfleas you're not in the class of organizations that benefit from a multiple-domain setup, it's only going to add workhours to manage the whole thing
16:48 < meowschwitz> applicant for 'junior system administrator'
16:48 < meowschwitz> 0 experience with computers
16:48 < meowschwitz> studies journalism
16:48 < meowschwitz> wants to go into programming next year
16:48 < meowschwitz> why are you applying to this position?
16:48 < meowschwitz> I wanted to see what happens
16:49 < Trapdoor> He wanted to see what happens?
16:49 < meowschwitz> yes
16:49 < meowschwitz> I already know what happens
16:49 < Trapdoor> well they should've thought of that when they decided to study journalism
16:49 < Trapdoor> me too, inevitable drug and alcohol abuse
16:49 < felda> Most folks don't know that it was actually JollyRgrs who started the political movement to rename fire ants to S P I C Y  B O I S
16:49 < dragonfleas> meowschwitz, lol
16:50 < Trapdoor> forgive me felda for I have sinned
16:50 < Trapdoor> I actually installed the meme exchange app
16:50 < meowschwitz> i masterfully trolled the HR today
16:50 < felda> lol
16:50 < Trapdoor> I'm already at 360 million keks
16:50 < meowschwitz> HR: "we are setting up the new access control system, what is your official job title to put in the database"
16:50 <+TuxedoJack> "MANAGING_SYSADMIN [9:35 AM]: Bounty: KB970770 NTDS Writter hotfix for Windows Vista download x64. If you can find this there is a reward :smile:"
16:50 < meowschwitz> me: "Lord System Administrator"
16:50 <+TuxedoJack> "ME:  [9:46 AM] @smayland - You'll go no further, hotfix scum. There's a bounty on your head and I mean to collect."
16:50 < Trapdoor> my title in AD is just "God"
16:51 < meowschwitz> HR: "k thx"
16:51 < Trapdoor> I took it a step further meowschwitz
16:51 < dragonfleas> okay so this strange thing is happening with a single excel file in one of our shares
16:51 < dragonfleas> i give everyone access modify permissions for the document
16:51 < meowschwitz> Trapdoor: I'm all about humility
16:51 < dragonfleas> whoever goes into the file next and edits it
16:51 < dragonfleas> it removes all the permissions i changed
16:51 < dragonfleas> i've disabled inheritance
16:51 < Trapdoor> ah yes, most humble Lord System Administrator meowschwitz
16:51 < dragonfleas> what the hell is happening
16:51 < dragonfleas> why are permissions reverting
16:52 < meowschwitz> dragonfleas: probably because excel or some app is doing something stupid like renaming the file and then renaming a temp file to the old name or some shit
16:52 < meowschwitz> dragonfleas: per-file permissions are BAD
16:52 < meowschwitz> also see CREATOR OWNER
16:53 < felda> Have only 1 server
16:53 < meowschwitz> dragonfleas: enable auditing, see if that shows you what's up
16:53 < felda> still call yourself "Systems Administrator"
16:53 < felda> feel good
16:53 < Trapdoor> I have more servers than I can handle felda
16:53 < felda> "Drowning Administrator"
16:53 < estranger> if you set your title to "IT Ninja" you get punched in the face though
16:54 < Trapdoor> that's Senior Drowning Administrator felda
16:54 < meowschwitz> i have like 40 iredmail instances alone
16:54 < felda> lel
16:54 < felda> "Neoliberal Atheist FreeThinker IT God"
16:54 < Trapdoor> oh no
16:54 < Trapdoor> nooo
16:54 < felda> that's my official title
16:54 < Trapdoor> what, no "Architect" in the title?
16:55 < PompousFelda> I am better than all of you just an FYI
16:55 <+DomLS3> s/better/worse
16:55 <+layer-eight> PompousFelda meant: "I am worse than all of you just an FYI"
16:55 < Trapdoor> https://www.indeed.com/q-Senior-Information-Security-Architect-jobs.html
16:55 < xtensive> assistant TO the systems administrator
16:55 < Trapdoor> assistant to the regional systems administrator*
16:55 < PompousFelda> DomLS3 come on my dude you gotta step up and stop using layer-eight as a crutch
16:56 < xtensive> What are your qualifications?  I watched Mr Robot all the way through, I can stop these skiddies
16:56 < Trapdoor> he has to, DomLS3 isn't even an op
16:57 < JFDkthx> s/n op/ decent human being
16:57 <+layer-eight> Trapdoor meant: "he has to, DomLS3 isn't even a decent human being"
16:57 < Trapdoor> I never said that fyi
16:57 < JFDkthx> its tru do
16:57 < JFDkthx> you know it
16:57 < Trapdoor> I've searched my feelings
16:58 < tsarbomba> hmm suddenly thunderbird decided to make all my outgoing emails fixed-width font
16:58 < Trapdoor> I know it to be true
16:58 < meowschwitz> they want me to pay taxes
16:58 < meowschwitz> I am disappoint :<
16:58 < Trapdoor> s/taxes/taxes, but I said no, no, no
16:58 <+layer-eight> meowschwitz meant: "they want me to pay taxes, but I said no, no, no"
16:58 < tsarbomba> no taxation without excoriation
16:58 < tsarbomba> did anybody here wait for yesterday to file taxes?
16:58 < PompadourFelda> goddamn I'm fly
16:59 < tsarbomba> pompatous felda
16:59 < xtensive> s/fly/hideous
16:59 <+layer-eight> PompadourFelda meant: "goddamn I'm hideous"
16:59 < Trapdoor> PompadourFelda, JFDkthx imagine how terrifying layer-eight would be with an o-line
17:00 < PompadourFelda> ME_IRL  https://orig00.deviantart.net/7e88/f/2010/268/1/4/redline__color_by_kanta_kun-d2zfmgs.png
17:00 < tsarbomba> also nobody rocks a pomopadour as well as buster poindexter
17:01 < tsarbomba> -o, but i love that typo so much i'm gonna keep it there
17:01 < Trapdoor> my PHP irc bot had an o-line and a function to rename every user to a random pokemon
17:01 < tsarbomba> pomo-padour
17:01 < Trapdoor> yea I said it, PHP irc bot
17:01 < JFDkthx> ha
17:01 < tsarbomba> trapdoor, how many hours did your o-line last
17:01 < Trapdoor> well it was my network
17:01 < tsarbomba> oh. so nobody actually joined it. :D
17:02 < int0x1C8> rekt
17:02 < JFDkthx> got em
17:02 < Trapdoor> Had 200+ users back in the day
17:02 < tsarbomba> which net was it
17:02 < JFDkthx> s/users/php bots
17:02 <+layer-eight> Trapdoor meant: "Had 200+ php bots back in the day"
17:02 < int0x1C8> irc.butts.life
17:02 < Trapdoor> nah, raidchan
17:03 < tsarbomba> after watching the last couple ash vs. evil dead episodes, int0x1C8, that server name brings up a whole lot of uncomfortable images
17:03 < Trapdoor> it was pretty active back in the day, hosted the anti-scientology hacktivists
17:04 < Trapdoor> the script kiddies ruined it, too much negative attention
17:04 < Trapdoor> it even has its own encyclopediadramatica article
17:05 < int0x1C8> I got it from the detective heart of america movie
17:05 < int0x1C8> .yt detective heart of america
17:05 <+layer-eight> YouTube Detective Heart of America: The Final Freedom - https://youtu.be/1F1YyDPZLX8
17:06 < int0x1C8> from the dude who did charlie the unicorn
17:07 < int0x1C8> dudes I mean
17:08 < tsarbomba> heh. people on efnet would 'website' other people by adding articles to encyclopediadramatica
17:08 < tsarbomba> leave it to irc to verb where no verb exists
17:09 < Trapdoor> the internet shit kid phase was fun while it lasted, I even pioneered a ddos attack vector
17:09 < JFDkthx> im so full i could sleep for a day.
17:10 < Trapdoor> accidentally took out comcast's hub in florida for a couple of minutes
17:11 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JFDkthx, Chimichongas?
17:11 < JFDkthx> SysAdminGoneCraZ: salad and an italian sausage
17:11 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Nice
17:12 < Casteil> https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/19/qualcomm-layoffs-improve-earnings/ < Man, sure is a good thing corporations got a huge tax cut so they can 'create jobs and pay more'
17:12 < Casteil> /s
17:12 < JFDkthx> yeah i might go take a nap in my car.
17:12 < Casteil> (pay employees more, that is)
17:13 < JFDkthx> only thing the tax cuts got me was a stock grant
17:13 < tsarbomba> casteil, a recent study showed something like 87% of the money saved by corporate tax cuts is being repurposed for stock buybacks
17:14 < Casteil> tsarbomba: that's kind of a "no shit" type thing
17:14 < tsarbomba> well yeah unless you're telling people that their tax cuts will buy them a can of soup every week and pretending that's a selling point
17:14 < tsarbomba> straight up 1984 shit
17:15 < tsarbomba> we have always been at war with eastasia
17:16 < _Straffer> There is a website I found once that allowed you to test your AV/Antimalware and browser for different types of attacks. Drive by, phishing, etc. Does anyone have an idea which that would be? My Googling finds some, but they are subpar
17:16 < tsarbomba> chrome://history ?
17:19 < meowschwitz> https://nettrack.info/ssl_certificate_issuers.html
17:19 < meowschwitz> tl;dr the https green bar scam is over
17:20 < ScottAbraham> Casteil, i'm doing quite well
17:20  * ScottAbraham smugly smugs
17:24 < _Straffer> tsarbomba: wasn't on my own PC
17:24 < _Straffer> sadly
17:25 < scwizard> FUCK ORACLE
17:25 < scwizard> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=794466
17:25 < scwizard> Oracle can go fuck themselves
17:26 < tsarbomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-u7jEhrve8
17:26 <+layer-eight> YouTube Aerosmith - Hoodoo Voodoo Medicine Man by 2009-11-30T00:17:00.000Z (duration: 4:39) on Mon Nov 30 07:17:00 UTC 2009, 2009-11-30T00:17:00.000Z views
17:37 < dragonfleas> who's going to spiceworld
17:37 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Every boy and every girl
17:38 < tsarbomba> lol the baseball season is like 20 days old and the reds already fired their manager
17:39 < tsarbomba> that's nhl-style personnel management
17:39 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas goes to India on a trip and goes to Spice World.  Unbeknownst to him though, this Spice world does not carry Scary nor Sporty spices
17:40 < silentfury> They do carry Needful spice.
17:40 < grumplestiltzkin> Casteil: laying off redundancies where cash is being wasted - who can't be placed elsewhere for growth is just 'trimming the fat'. That article said nothing that would make me think it correlated to the tax cuts - it was aftermath of an attempted corporate buyout by another company.
17:41 <@JollyRgrs> silentfury: always a BOGO sale, if you buy Revert, you get Kindly spice for free
17:41 < grumplestiltzkin> If they wanted to save a lot more money, they would move operations out of california
17:42 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: but ppl like qualcomm might not be able to get the talent pool they want by moving operations to kansas
17:42 < JFDkthx> silentfury: fortnite spice
17:43 < JFDkthx> fortnight
17:43 < JFDkthx> rather
17:43 < grumplestiltzkin> Well, I was thinking more like Texas, but the talent pool might like moving too.
17:44 <@JollyRgrs> TI and the few others in DFW area are probably already struggling
17:45 < grumplestiltzkin> I would *MUCH* rather having a qualcomm campus show up than a new slamazon HQ campus
17:45 < grumplestiltzkin> what would make you think tey are struggling?
17:46 < silentfury> it's also a way to 'punish' the government for not letting them merge
17:47 < corn266> wow is it already friday?
17:47 < scwizard> ok this is getting ridiculous
17:48 < scwizard> the plan is to have
17:48 <+NinjaStyle> happy wednesday
17:48  * tsarbomba stares @ ninjastyle
17:48 < scwizard> virtualbox inside docker inside virtualbox inside the host machine
17:48 < JFDkthx> corn266: yup
17:48 < JFDkthx> happy friday
17:48 < scwizard> i swear I have a good reason for doin this
17:48 <+NinjaStyle> its wednesday my doods
17:48 < tsarbomba> you're trying to steal a day from us :(
17:48 < tsarbomba> we are closer to friday than we have been in days!
17:49 < JFDkthx> waited all week for it
17:49 <+NinjaStyle> friday is the third best day of the week
17:50 < grumplestiltzkin> with only the information presented, I am inclined to agree - as much as I dig free market - big company mergers in this space - where if one manufacturer becomes compromised, could be catastrophic.   Like why you *never* use http://e.huawei.com/en/products/enterprise-networking/routers in a corporate or security environment
17:50 < Church-> I like Monday myself
17:51 <+NinjaStyle> grumplestiltzkin: wat
17:51 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: cisco was compromised by the cia a few years back. i think you just have to pick the lesser of two evils
17:51 < JFDkthx> usg or cn
17:51 < ScottAbraham> Hand over free stuff to black folks who demand it otherwise you are racist
17:52 <+NinjaStyle> ScottAbraham: you clearly are racist
17:52 < ScottAbraham> NinjaStyle, you are
17:52 < felda> grumplestiltzkin you can only use pfsense
17:52 < jbroome> no u
17:54 < int0x1C8> u on
17:54 < grumplestiltzkin> JFDkthx: true, there's no 'perfect' solution or security, its always a compromise between security and usability.  Maybe I just swallowed the propaganda about huawei actively compromising network traffic without doing deep-dive research a few years back
17:55 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: nah, they were banned for sale in the us for a reason. they can say they dont have ties to the gov all they want. it's the same as kasperpsy.
17:55 <+NinjaStyle> at the end of the day, any company is susceptible to these issues
17:56 <+NinjaStyle> because like 99% of shit is manufactured in china, or the supply chain involves china
17:56 < JFDkthx> and thats fine, because in america the parent companies of said product can be held liable
17:56 <+NinjaStyle> we saw a lot of supply chain attacks in 2017, those will ramp up even more in 2018 and beyond
17:56 <+NinjaStyle> "liable" lel
17:57 < grumplestiltzkin> NinjaStyle: Yes - that's why I would lean towards agreeing with blocking the merger.  More players in the field mean more options to replace gear if one becomes compromised.    If there are 10 players, you can replace - if there is 1 player, you are hosed until the legal side of it is done *IF* the company isn't in another country
17:57 < JFDkthx> NinjaStyle: it's tongue in cheek sure.
17:59 < L3gacy> giant_it_burrit, ping
18:00 < vader-> Why do companies as the stupid question during the interview process: "Why do you want to work for us..." Well, F'ning money thats why... If money wasn't a thing, than i probably would want to be on a beach throwing down beers or something listening to the waves going by, fishing or something...
18:00 < vader-> ask
18:01 < bigchim> bullshit questions get bullshit responses ;)
18:02 < grumplestiltzkin> vader-: obviously " I am excited by the direction that the company is headed, and I want to be a part of that success"
18:02 < vader-> i like companies that ask for more experience in a product than the product has been around...
18:02 < vader-> thats always a fun one
18:02 < ihre> looking for lamba devs - 10yrs exp
18:03 < bigchim> 5+ years experience with Windows 2016 :D
18:03 < vader-> ya i know what they want to hear for that answer but no one really believes it
18:03 < grumplestiltzkin> generic win, even  without researching the company, untill the followup  "what do you like about the company that makes you excited", but    that can be schmoozed with "market share, innovation, company culture (if you discussed culture, or it's public)"
18:04 < vader-> im here looking for a job to work for you guys because i can't play football and work 16 days a year and make millions... so i figured out im pretty good with this computer stuff, so i guess you can say I have a passion... Oh and I need to eat, so that requires money, or i need to spend the day hunting and farming...
18:05 < vader-> So i choose to spend 8+ hours a day working for you, so I can get money, to go get fast food later with the minimal amount of time left in my day, so that i can hope to retire and still be alive to enjoy the time left...
18:05 < vader-> :-)
18:06 < ihre> vader-: 'your company seems like the most fun to make money at and 'have fun doing so'
18:06 < grumplestiltzkin> I forget which leadership or whatever book it was in, but its pretty true - people are*not* motivated in a 'making a deal' or 'getting something done' situation by a request for someone because that person has a need to get it done.   The way to get someone to do something is to frame it on how it benefits that person (or organiation)    -  it's all about the framing
18:07 < corn266> vader-: just work for 5 years and keep a pile of fast food to keep you during retirement
18:07 < ihre> why the fuck do tools with command line flags not sort those alphabetically ~_~
18:08 < dragonfleas> my boss is sending me to spiceworld
18:08 < vader-> i get it, but it just aggravates me having to play the game with recruiters and hiring manager... don't get me wrong, I like to succeed, and every company ive been with Ive helped them succeed. But lets be honest at the end of the day, unless it is your own company... no one will have the same passion, they are all in it for the biscuit...
18:08 < dragonfleas> lmao
18:09 < tsarbomba> lolwat
18:09 < tsarbomba> the guy who handles all purchasing for the company just forwarded me a subscription renewal for our AV
18:09 < tsarbomba> is he expecting me to bust out my personal amex or something
18:09 < corn266> "yes and the company will pay your back(TM)(R)"
18:09 < tsarbomba> i'm afraid that's a negative, ghostrider, the pattern is fucking full.
18:09 < vader-> If you wannabe my lover, you gotta get with my friends...
18:10 < vader-> #SpiceWorld
18:11 < grumplestiltzkin> vader-: that song always sounded like she wanted the supposed dude listening to bang her friends to get to her - as if she were a 'final boss'
18:11 < corn266> is that not what she's saying?
18:11 < vader-> i would bang all the spice girls
18:11 < vader-> no prob
18:11 < grumplestiltzkin> even curry spice?
18:11 < Casteil> accounting never learns when they buy pizza
18:11 < corn266> i heard she's spicey
18:12 < vader-> i like curry spice, it just messes my intestines up...
18:12 < Casteil> one meat lovers, one veggie bullshit, and one pineapple bullshit pizza... the  meat lovers is entirely gone before even a quarter of the other two are touched
18:12 < corn266> More pineaplle bullshit pizza for me then Casteil
18:13 < Casteil> I suspect that may be the motivation at play
18:13 < xtensive> ++ corn266
18:13 < tsarbomba> pfft, veggie
18:13 < tsarbomba> meat pie. cheese pie. THAT'S IT
18:13 < tsarbomba> if pineapple goes anywhere near the pizza you may lose a hand
18:13 < xtensive> veggie pizzas are fine, same with ham/pineapple you heathens
18:13 < Casteil> "no one ever eats this so I'll get plenty to take home"
18:14  * tsarbomba sharpens the cleaver
18:14 < JFDkthx> pineapple pizza is the best type of pizza
18:14 < tsarbomba> you are all trolling now :(
18:14 < xtensive> throw a few jalapeños on there and BAM
18:14  * JFDkthx shoves tsarbomba down a quarry
18:14 < tsarbomba> nooooooo
18:14 < grumplestiltzkin> it would seem, unless the company is privately owned, that they would *have* to provide a nonmeat option
18:15 < tsarbomba> is yr pizza halal?
18:15 < xtensive> pepperoni/jalapeño is my favorite though
18:15 < tsarbomba> jalapenos are awesome on pizza
18:15 < tsarbomba> or p much anything
18:15 < JFDkthx> only if they are fresh
18:15 < JFDkthx> and not pickled
18:15 < tsarbomba> yeah i don't eat pickled jalapenos
18:15 < xtensive> meh I'll take either
18:15 < xtensive> I'm a simple man
18:15 < JFDkthx> xtensive: i'll fucking say
18:16 < xtensive> D:
18:16 < hxcsp> I had a pizza with fresh jalapenos and spicy honey
18:16 < hxcsp> (some other things)
18:16 < hxcsp> it was amazing
18:16 < grumplestiltzkin> wait.  who pickles jallies?
18:16 < JFDkthx> almost everyone that servers em
18:16 < xtensive> boom -> https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/221961/quick-pickled-jalapeno-rings/
18:16 < tsarbomba> s/servers em/gets them through sysco or other 'food service' providers
18:16 <+layer-eight> JFDkthx meant: "almost everyone that gets them through sysco or other 'food service' providers"
18:17 < JFDkthx> ^
18:17 < hxcsp> yeah you have to ask for fresh or you would normally get pickled
18:17 < JFDkthx> they should just stick to routers
18:17 < JFDkthx> nice local delis ask if you want fresh or pickled tho
18:17 < grumplestiltzkin> I mean - okra, or baby corn obviously.  and you can pickle almost anything, but .. jallies
18:17 < JFDkthx> grumplestiltzkin: they arent sweet pickled
18:18 < JFDkthx> i've had sweet pickled japalenos
18:18 < JFDkthx> fucking gros
18:19 < JFDkthx> i forgot my badge today, i cant get intot he dc. i might just take a nap at my desk.
18:24 < br14> I was recently introduced to "boiled peanuts".  gross.
18:25 < mrghostman> gross? blasphemy!
18:25 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JFDkthx, Hmm. I might just go get gyros now. Thanks to your typo.
18:26 < br14> found the Alabama resident?
18:26 < mrghostman> lol
18:27 < felda> Say you own an old vehicle.  Worth less than $2,000.  Once paid off do you drop full coverage for the cheapest insurance?
18:27 < br14> I do.
18:28 < grumplestiltzkin> why were you making payments on a $2k vehicle is a pertinent question here
18:28 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, I keep full. It's cheap enough for me. $150 fro 2 cars.
18:29 < br14> 150$ every ???
18:29 < felda> grumplestiltzkin because I live in a corn field and live hand to mouth
18:29 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Month?
18:29 < felda> I pay $70 a month currently for full coverage
18:29 <@cryptic1> he pays $150 a day
18:29 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, Yeah, sounds about right.
18:30 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, I got kids, so I would like Full.
18:30 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, Since you ride solo you might get aay with liability
18:30 < Hunterkll> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8demgx/til_that_certain_irs_systems_are_written_in/dxmjmev/
18:30 < br14> I have kids, I keept all personal injury and stuff.  But collision no.
18:30 < Hunterkll> hax'd
18:30 < felda> SysAdminGoneCraZ it's just me but my aunt is driving it right now
18:30 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, Also, if liability is $50 and Full is $70, I would keep full.
18:30 < felda> and she has 3 kids
18:31 < grumplestiltzkin> always get that liability.  like 100-150k per person, 300k total - ish. depending on your appetite for risk with the liability
18:31 < grumplestiltzkin> also if you have backup vehicles or not
18:31 < jbroome> what if i have an appetite for destruction
18:32 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> br14, Does that cover uninsured drivers?
18:36 < tsarbomba> $70/month for car insurance? do you drive a yugo with no roof?
18:37 <+DomLS3> I pay $160 a month for my Z06 with full coverage
18:38 <+DomLS3> shop around and you’ll get good deals
18:38 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DomLS3, Did you get the tour for your Z06?!
18:38 <+giant_it_burrit> DomLS3: for your insure?
18:38 <+DomLS3> the tour?
18:38 <+DomLS3> giant_it_burrit: yes
18:38 <+giant_it_burrit> did you get gap insurance?
18:38 <+giant_it_burrit> 75 shot 200 shot?
18:39 <+DomLS3> gap insurance yes but that goes through the bank not an insurance company
18:39 <+DomLS3> don’t need nitrous. It’s supercharged. Makes close to 700rwhp as it is lol.
18:39 <+giant_it_burrit> is it the 650/650?
18:39 <+giant_it_burrit> i drove that last year i think
18:39 <+giant_it_burrit> i enjoyed myself
18:39 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DomLS3, Was it brand new when you got it? Chevy offers a deal if you pay an extra $5K, you get to help build the engine, they give you a tour of the factory and you get to burnout on their track.
18:40 <+giant_it_burrit> i saw that
18:40 <+DomLS3> giant_it_burrit: yes. 2015 C7 Z06
18:40 <+DomLS3> SysAdminGoneCraZ: no I bought it with 8,700 miles on it
18:40 <+DomLS3> I don’t care to build the engine myself
18:40 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DomLS3, Ahh, gotcha
18:40 <+giant_it_burrit> i like the ventilated seats wonderful during summer
18:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DomLS3, I think they engrave your name on the block too.
18:41 <+giant_it_burrit> DomLS3: you need another ls3
18:41 <+giant_it_burrit> they engrave it on the plate of the maker
18:41 <+DomLS3> The guy who built the engine is on the block. Not me though :(
18:41 <+DomLS3> giant_it_burrit: Nah
18:41 <+DomLS3> I sold my Camaro
18:41 <+DomLS3> so technically I’m DomLT4 now
18:41 <+DomLS3> lol
18:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> lol
18:42 < felda> grumplestiltzkin I don't have a backup vehicle, but I live about a mile from work in town and am going to buy a bicycle to ride to work during the spring, summer, and fall
18:42 <+giant_it_burrit> DomLS3: https://www.facebook.com/pg/NextGenerationAuto/posts/
18:42 <+giant_it_burrit> look at their pinned post
18:43 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, Is it gonna have the handlebar streamers?
18:43 < felda> SysAdminGoneCraZ no but it will have the baseball card
18:43 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Noiiice!
18:44 <+DomLS3> giant_it_burrit: I don’t see a pinned post
18:44 < dragonfleas> FUCK EVERYONE PATCH WEBEX RIGHT NOW
18:44 < felda> the roads are so bad here I have to get a hybrid half mountain, half street bike
18:44 < felda> lmao
18:44 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> felda, Canondale?
18:44 < dragonfleas> s/roads/pfsense
18:44 <+layer-eight> felda meant: "the pfsense are so bad here I have to get a hybrid half mountain, half street bike"
18:44 <+giant_it_burrit> DomLS3: https://www.facebook.com/NextGenerationAuto/posts/1907593805982363
18:44 <+giant_it_burrit> sorry
18:45 <+DomLS3> oh
18:45 < scwizard> so I want to automate the building of virtualbox vagrant boxes
18:45 <+DomLS3> yeah thats nice
18:45 < scwizard> and it's fucking impossible
18:45 < scwizard> because aws is virutalized
18:45 < scwizard> and so can't run virtualbox
18:45 < tsarbomba> do you really want to use virtualbox
18:45 <+DomLS3> I’m taking mine to get tuned and upper pulley swap on monday
18:45 < felda> that sounds pretty gay my dude
18:46 < scwizard> tsarbomba: virtualbox is what the devs are using now
18:46 <+DomLS3> s/that/I
18:46 <+layer-eight> felda meant: "I sounds pretty gay my dude"
18:46 < tsarbomba> fire them
18:46 < tsarbomba> get real devs
18:46 < tsarbomba> profit
18:46 < scwizard> tsarbomba: i'm not sure what the alternative is supposed to be for development
18:46 < scwizard> what would a "real dev" use?
18:46 <+DomLS3> hyper-v
18:46 < tsarbomba> a real hypervisor, presumably
18:46 < scwizard> virtualbox vagrant is pretty ok for your local pc
18:46 < scwizard> hyper-v is windows 10 exclusive
18:46 < scwizard> i think ppl are on macs
18:46 < gnupluslinux> hey code_man you around
18:46 < tsarbomba> how do they plan on putting software into production when its dev environment is literally virtualbox
18:47 < tsarbomba> i said a real hypervisor. not hyper-v
18:47 < scwizard> by putting docker inside of virtualbox
18:47 < tsarbomba> lol
18:47 < scwizard> what is "a real hypervisor"
18:47 < gnupluslinux> i put docker inside proxmos
18:47 < gnupluslinux> get at me
18:47 <+DomLS3> hyper-v is the best hypervisor
18:48 < scwizard> not accordin to tsarbomba
18:48 < xtensive> vmware you fools
18:48 < xtensive> ESXi lyfe
18:48 < tsarbomba> ^
18:48 <+DomLS3> scwizard: tsarbomba is an idiot
18:48 < scwizard> gayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
18:48 <+DomLS3> pay no attention to anything that pleb says
18:48 < scwizard> but yeah
18:48 < tsarbomba> see? virtualbox is already leading to a culture of low expectations
18:48 < scwizard> basically I want to build virtualbox images
18:48 < scwizard> and i can't figure out how to do it
18:49 < tsarbomba> lol our san diego office wants us to reproduce one of our email addresses, "but separately" so that the florida mail user and the california mail user have two totally different and independent mailboxes
18:49 < tsarbomba> they just want to use the same address
18:49 < tsarbomba> i nearly facepalmed myself into unconsciousness
18:50 < felda> If I teach special education and DomLS3 shows up late can I call him tardy?
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: what's the problem? they're 1000s of miles away from each other
18:50 < tsarbomba> i think special educators use different terminology, felda
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> felda: no!
18:50 < xtensive> hide the glue felda
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> you must say that he arrived to school in his own speshul timing
18:50 < felda> lol
18:50 < tsarbomba> jollyrgrs, i know right??? it should be perfectly simple using the internet for california people to communicate with the california user while florida people communicate with the florida user
18:51 < tsarbomba> and the internet packets just know. because magic and harry potter
18:51 < felda> oh shit
18:51 <@JollyRgrs> duh
18:51 < gnupluslinux> tsarbomba, whats going on?
18:51 < felda> for work lunch today we are grilling out
18:51 < gnupluslinux> i heard california
18:51 < felda> GET HYPE
18:51 < xtensive> and make sure his crash helmet is secure and his mittens are still sewn to his coat sleeves
18:51 < gnupluslinux> who shit talking california
18:51 < tsarbomba> gnupluslinux, just management being critically dumb
18:51 < gnupluslinux> cause i want in
18:51 < tsarbomba> in other words, a typical thursday
18:51 < gnupluslinux> aw carry on
18:51 < xtensive> DomLS3 lost another mitten, FFS
18:51 <+DomLS3> xtensive: wat
18:52 <+DomLS3> felda: I show up late to everything
18:52 <+DomLS3> I was late for your mom’s dick appointment
18:52 <+DomLS3> she let me smash anyway
18:53 < tsarbomba> pop quiz: on what street does the titular "muffin man" work in the famous children's nursery rhyme?
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: um... why would you smash felda's mom even when she has a dick
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> esp one that she has to have appointments about... prob got some STD
18:54 <+DomLS3> JollyRgrs: no... her dick appointment was me
18:54 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: druery lane? d
18:54 <+DomLS3> my dick
18:54 <@JollyRgrs> sp?
18:54 < tsarbomba> yep
18:54 <@JollyRgrs> was that the $100 question for who wants to be a millionaire?
18:54 < tsarbomba> if you can't tell, i watched shrek last night
18:54 < gnupluslinux> fucking docker
18:54 < gnupluslinux> y u no have prune
18:54 <@JollyRgrs> tsarbomba: b/c you have a kid?
18:55 <@JollyRgrs> right? right?
18:55 < tsarbomba> because i'm basically a kid
18:55 <@JollyRgrs> point taken
18:55 < tsarbomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpBJih02aYU
18:55 <+layer-eight> YouTube Shrek Moments - "Interrogating Gingy" by 2010-11-19T02:02:36.000Z (duration: 58s) on Fri Nov 19 09:02:36 UTC 2010, 2010-11-19T02:02:36.000Z views
18:57 <+DomLS3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2WK_eWihdU
18:57 <+layer-eight> YouTube Ezekiel 25:17 - Pulp Fiction (3/12) Movie CLIP (1994) HD by 2011-09-28T07:31:34.000Z (duration: 2:28) on Wed Sep 28 14:31:34 UTC 2011, 2011-09-28T07:31:34.000Z views
18:58 < gnupluslinux> anyone know of a laptop that'll support PCI passthrough?
18:58 < gnupluslinux> i just want to pass these usb ports to a vm :(
18:59 <@JollyRgrs> heh
18:59 <@JollyRgrs> GL
18:59 < gnupluslinux> ikr
19:00 < gnupluslinux> this one says it does, vtd in CPU and mobo, iommu on but turning on the vm says feature not supported :(
19:00 <@JollyRgrs> hyper-v?
19:01 < scwizard> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8dg7td/is_there_anyway_to_automate_the_building_process/
19:01 < scwizard> i feel retarded since i can't figure out how to do this?
19:02 < scwizard> :<
19:03 < L3gacy> giant_it_burrit, ya there?
19:03 < felda> rumor has it JollyRgrs is in fact, a NIMBY!
19:04 <+giant_it_burrit> doml3i am indeed
19:04 <+giant_it_burrit> didnt forget you
19:04 < gnupluslinux> qemu/kvm through virt-manager
19:04 <+giant_it_burrit> didnt go out for lunch
19:04 <+giant_it_burrit> so ileft your pm untouched so i dont forget
19:04 < gnupluslinux> did a virsh edit to change cpu to host-passthrough but that didnt do it either
19:04 < L3gacy> :)
19:04 < felda> gnupluslinux depends on the CPU and MOBO
19:04 < gnupluslinux> felda, yeah both have it listed as supported
19:04 < felda> I had lots of fun getting iommu and qemu going with PCI passthrough
19:05 < felda> which *nix variant are you using?
19:05 < gnupluslinux> ubuntu 16.04.4 lts
19:05 < felda> which device are you attempting to pass through?
19:06 < hxcsp> pfsense
19:06 < felda> lmao
19:06 < gnupluslinux> 0000:00:14:0 Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family USB xHCI Host Controller
19:07 < gnupluslinux> the enhanced ones passed through "fine" even though the windows vm never saw it
19:07 < felda> gnupluslinux they probably both support IOMMU the problem is that I bet what you are trying to pass through is shared with another device
19:07 < gnupluslinux> probably
19:07 < gnupluslinux> lsusb says nothing else connected to it but it wouldnt surpise me if its sharing a bus with something else
19:07 < felda> In my case I attempted to pass my AMD GPU through but it shared the same bus as my CPU / Northbridge and it wouldn't work properly
19:07 < gnupluslinux> yeah basically what im figuring it comes down to
19:07 < felda> and that was due to how my Motherboard was :(
19:08 < grumplestiltzkin> felda: man, if your primary commuter is a bicycle for 9 months a year, you might just go liabity for those months and save cash while balancing risk.   like, if you can't afford to just drop or repair a vehicle, you might want to keep that full coverage when using it full time
19:08 < gnupluslinux> mobo says it supports vtd is on but its probably a bust on getting it to work
19:08 < felda> really bummed me out because I wanted to run Ubuntu as my main PC and use QEMU/KVM to pass through my GPU to a Win7 VM to game
19:08 < gnupluslinux> i just want to pass this usb port so i can debug a phone lol
19:08 < Sousapro> someone got a minute to talk about repadmin /kcc?
19:09 < Sousapro> and having it automatically create links?
19:09 < gnupluslinux> yeah im getting the feeling pci passthrough dont work too well on laptops :( worked fine on my desktop but things are probably all kinds of connected and share-y here
19:09 < felda> yeah that's what I was thinking
19:09 < Sousapro> s/links/Active Directory Domain Services Connections
19:09 <+layer-eight> Sousapro meant: "and having it automatically create Active Directory Domain Services Connections?"
19:09 < felda> gnupluslinux couldn't you still pass the USB without doing PCI passthrough?
19:10 < gnupluslinux> its not stable
19:10 < felda> ah okay
19:10 < gnupluslinux> you can do usb redirection but it cuts in an out
19:10 < gnupluslinux> i tried that on the desktop too and ended up just passing the entire ports through
19:11 < gnupluslinux> through pci. shame though cause the way my mobo is set up, its either all ports on usb3 or 2 controllers each on usb2 cause the usb3 implementation just steals part of the bus used for the 2.0 ports lol
19:18 <+TuxedoJack> Well
19:18 <+TuxedoJack> We just picked up a new client because their old IT let a RAID10 failure happen
19:18 <+TuxedoJack> And then 28K of cash for data recovery
19:18 <+TuxedoJack> Fan-fuckin'-tastic
19:19 <+TuxedoJack> How the FUCK do you let a RAID10 failure HAPPEN
19:19 <+TuxedoJack> Let alone not have backups
19:19 <+giant_it_burrit> they had raid
19:19 <+giant_it_burrit> why did the need backups
19:20 < grumplestiltzkin> redundant array of inexpensive dackups
19:20 < Hunterkll> TuxedoJack, RAID10 failure?
19:20 < Hunterkll> I've seen it
19:20 < Hunterkll> Other span fails during rebuild
19:20 < Hunterkll> simple enough
19:20 < Hunterkll> RAID10 is for SPEED not UPTIME
19:20 < grumplestiltzkin> srsly though, who uses any type of 0 RAID in a production environment?
19:21 < Hunterkll> databases with backups bro
19:21 < Hunterkll> and hotspares
19:21 < Hunterkll> RAID-10 is great for hypervisors
19:21 < Hunterkll> just have backups
19:21 < Hunterkll> personally, with modern hardware, the penatly of RAID-6 is non-existant to me though
19:21 < Hunterkll> so
19:21 < Hunterkll> RAID-6 with hotspare everything
19:21 < Hunterkll> no exceptions
19:21 < Sousapro> RAID 10
19:21 < Hunterkll> unless people are whiny bitches
19:21 < Sousapro> just raid 10
19:21 < Hunterkll> then i use just RAID-6 with no hotspare
19:21 < Sousapro> unless SSD
19:21 < Hunterkll> I'll never use it
19:21 < Hunterkll> if i can avoid it
19:21 < Sousapro> RAID 10?
19:21 < Hunterkll> I've had multiple failures in RAID-6 rebuilds
19:21 < Hunterkll> fuck doing that in RAID-10
19:22 < Hunterkll> I can stand another drive fail during rebuild in 6
19:22 < Hunterkll> I can't in 10 depending on which span it hits
19:22 < Hunterkll> at that point you're buying lottery ticketse
19:22 < Sousapro> but this all falls back to have backups
19:22 < Hunterkll> true
19:22 < Hunterkll> but downtime avoidance is highly preferrable
19:22 < Sousapro> RAID 10+1
19:22 < Sousapro> lol
19:22 < Hunterkll> now, RAID-10 - Synchronous replica SQL systems
19:22 < Hunterkll> yes
19:22 < Hunterkll> that means if a RAID-10 blows
19:22 < Hunterkll> then i'm good
19:23 < Hunterkll> and I need the performance anyway
19:23 < grumplestiltzkin> wat?  like - on a hypervisor, *just* the hypervisor, does 10 really have any gains over 1?   like - I may be wrong here, but if your hypervisor is constantly reading/writing disk, you might have a problem
19:23 < Hunterkll> no no no
19:23 < Hunterkll> the VMs themselves
19:23 < Hunterkll> the datastore
19:23 < Sousapro> raid 1 for the hypervisor
19:23 < Hunterkll> but still
19:23 < Hunterkll> i usually RAID-6 anyway unless there's some requirement for some reason
19:23 < Hunterkll> https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/18/warren-buffett-buys-breakfast-from-mcdonalds-for-under-3-point-17.html
19:23 < Hunterkll> best troll ever
19:23 < Sousapro> fair enough. at least it isn't raid 5 where the failure chances are approaching unity now
19:23 < Hunterkll> lol
19:24 < Hunterkll> but yes
19:24 < Hunterkll> RAID-6 errywhere
19:24 < Hunterkll> I set up two equallogic PS6210X's in a cluster with RAID-6 on each unit
19:24 < Hunterkll> 23 drives in RAID-6, 1 hotspare
19:24 < Hunterkll> with 4 hour onsite
19:24 < Hunterkll> lol
19:24 < Hunterkll> ~40TB usable, runs about 120 VMs
19:24 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: AD Sites and Services. Should I just let kcc do it's thing with with connectors?
19:24 < Hunterkll> sure
19:24 < grumplestiltzkin> yeh, if it needs to be OMGFAST, use SSDs -  same same, I would never sign off on any tpe of raid 0 for prod.
19:25 < Hunterkll> ~40TB usable, runs about 120 VMs including multiple SQL heavy systems like sharepoint, jenkins build systems, SCCM, SCOM, etc
19:25 < Hunterkll> on 46 spindles
19:25 < Hunterkll> two RAID-6 spans
19:25 <@JollyRgrs> felda: i'm afraid to ask what even is one of those thigns you called me
19:25 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, i'd sign off on RAID-10 for physical SQL systems in a heartbeat
19:25 < Hunterkll> no matter how many disks
19:25 < Sousapro> dat perf
19:25 < Hunterkll> as long as there's two
19:25 < felda> JollyRgrs which one?
19:26 < Hunterkll> SQL AlwaysOn Synchronous replication or even just regluar SQL replication for failover
19:26 < felda> ah the NIMBY
19:26 < felda> Not In My Back Yard
19:26 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, you'vec never heard idiot nuclear protestor sayings?
19:26 < felda> basically weird folks who get upset and want really strict zoning laws that hurt our communities
19:26 < grumplestiltzkin> Hunterkll: you mean if theres 2+ physical servers, right
19:26 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, yup
19:26 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, or even more
19:26 < Hunterkll> but yes
19:26 < felda> NIMBYs are why housing costs so much right now
19:26 < Hunterkll> I've seen SQL workloads that *NEEDED* large RAID-10 SSD arrays
19:26 < Hunterkll> ;D
19:27 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> God damn it. Anyone know how to reset a vending machine? The shit is full but it thinks it's empty. Yes, I tried resetting it and unplugging it. I don't want to call the guy. :(
19:27 <@JollyRgrs> felda: oh, you meant it as an acronymn
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> all i know is that if NY wants to start shipping poop to my town, i'd be a NIMBY right quick
19:28 < gnupluslinux> i'Ve sEeN sQl woRKlOadS thAt *NeEdeD* lARge rAId-10 sSd aRraYS
19:28 < Sousapro> gnupluslinux started using mongo for their queries
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: are you proud of yourself?
19:28 < gnupluslinux> very
19:28 < grumplestiltzkin> JollyRgrs: omg, I heard about that this morning - that thing will never move anywhere now
19:29 <@JollyRgrs> haha
19:29 < mruszczyk> I'm going bonkers over here trying to finish setup of the new Windows 10 RRAS Always on VPN. VPN connects fine, RRAS sees me I'm authed, my client sees the internal route but i cannot hit any internal resources. Does anyone have any experience with this?
19:29 <@JollyRgrs> no one else will want it, that's for sure
19:29 < gnupluslinux> mruszczyk, firewall
19:29 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JollyRgrs, Wait, what??
19:29 < grumplestiltzkin> they should dump it in the hudson
19:29 < gnupluslinux> are you allowing the paths?
19:29 <@JollyRgrs> .google ny poop train
19:29 <+layer-eight> Google 456,000 results found for: " ny poop train "
19:29 <+layer-eight> New York City's Poop Train | Mental Floss - Jul 28, 2015 ... Most of us don't give a second thought to what happens after we flush, but our  daily leftovers have to end up somewhere. In New York City, where residents  create approximately 1200 tons of sewage every day, this is not an issue to poo- poo—and for 20 years, the answer was a train loaded with our refuse ... : http://mentalfloss.com/a
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> SysAdminGoneCraZ: more currnetly, a train is stuck in what? alabama? arkansas? something... and isn't moving... hasn't moved for months
19:30 < mruszczyk> gnupluslinux No firewall in between anywhere right now. RRAS has a public, and connections inside the internal subnet are not limited. RRAS can hit the test resource fine.
19:30 < grumplestiltzkin> Since Jan IIRC
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> the destined down is refusing the train so it is stuck in a neighboring town or something
19:30 < grumplestiltzkin> those train cars belong to *someone* too
19:30 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JollyRgrs, This?? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alabama-poop-train-nyc-finally-empty-sludge-article-1.3942980
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> mayor is like "summer be hot y'all, you think it's bad now, it gun' STANK in joo-ly"
19:31 < xtensive> lol poop train
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, that one
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: i don't want that train car back, they can have it
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> "so THAT'S what they were using our cars for? shit!.... literally... SHIT!"
19:31 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> lol
19:32 < gnupluslinux> mruszczyk, got me. Hunterkll ?
19:33 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, i've seen data sets doing 100k+ queries on 300GB of data that all need to be ACID and return in less than a second
19:33 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JollyRgrs, Damn, I never knew this was even a problem.
19:33 < Hunterkll> SSDs were needed
19:33 < Hunterkll> lol
19:33 < Hunterkll> on MSSQL even
19:33 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, Jesus.
19:33 < gnupluslinux> Hunterkll, oh yeah im sure just messing with you. got any idea on mruszczyk 's situation?
19:33 < Hunterkll> SysAdminGoneCraZ, how the fuck else do you think EVE online works?
19:33 < Hunterkll> actually it's more like 40TB of data
19:33 < Hunterkll> but still
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> 4200 rpms is how it works
19:33 < Hunterkll> 300GB was just like, one specific table
19:34 < Hunterkll> I grilled the ops team last friday :D
19:34 < gnupluslinux> pretty sure most large MMOs will pull that
19:34 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, needs to be ACID
19:34 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, I'm not a DB specialist bro, I thought it was all magic and vudoo.
19:34 < vader-> You guys that are contractors/consultants do you ever send a thank you email out to the people you worked with on a project when it wraps up? I.e. more as a technical person on the project versus the project manager?
19:34 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, can't be shard'd
19:34 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, can't be paralellized
19:34 < Hunterkll> EVE is 1 instance. just 1
19:34 < Hunterkll> WOW shards you off into dungeons and shit all the time, and has many realms, with less active player count per realm
19:34 < Hunterkll> when you're shard'd off you exit, they rejoin you, etc
19:34 < Hunterkll> EVE? Everything interacts. everything.
19:35 < gnupluslinux> EVE doesnt shard? everything happens on the same instance? jesus
19:35 < Hunterkll> Everything must be 100% consistent to every single player.
19:35 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux: they have clusters for different regions, and can shift nodes if they think a big event is going to happen
19:35 < Hunterkll> Right
19:35 < Hunterkll> but the DATA can't be shard'd off
19:35 < Hunterkll> it's all the same active database
19:35 < JFDkthx> yee
19:35 < gnupluslinux> now im thinking GW took the easy way out lol
19:35 < Hunterkll> so you can be moved into a pocket, but it must be 100% consistent with the rest
19:36 < gnupluslinux> everything just on its own instance
19:36 < JFDkthx> yeh
19:36 < Sousapro> EVE sharts instead of sharding
19:36 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, 40% of EVE's database traffic is external API calls too
19:36 < JFDkthx> most do.
19:36 < Hunterkll> they're moving to an AlwaysOn cluster with a read-only replica to try and balance out some of that traffic
19:36 < grumplestiltzkin> IIRC I read about that - when like a giant battle is happening, the whole game slows down to process everything - but it slows down equally for everyone, and being 'realtime' isn't as important with the macro-type controls and commands you use
19:36 < Hunterkll> to a different datacenter or something
19:36 < Hunterkll> yes
19:37 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, and they could in theory aggrivate hits and say "yea, you're dead regardlesS"
19:37 < Hunterkll> but then the players would riot
19:37 < JFDkthx> i fukking said it yesterday
19:37 < JFDkthx> fuck you deezer
19:37 < Hunterkll> because then you wouldn't have 100% accurate killmails
19:37 < JFDkthx> fucking iron maiden bullshit
19:37 < Hunterkll> I want to know EXACTLY how much damage I caused
19:37 < Hunterkll> and how many hits i landed, etc
19:37 < Hunterkll> and soon it'll have to include meta-mutated modules
19:37 < grumplestiltzkin> gotta get dem spreadsheets
19:37 < Hunterkll> so each killmail will have the individual module stats
19:37 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, Now I miss EVE :(
19:37 < Hunterkll> from the RNG modified modules
19:37 < Hunterkll> so yea
19:37 < Hunterkll> no redis here
19:37 < Hunterkll> :P
19:38 < Hunterkll> just MSSQL
19:38 < Hunterkll> and Windows
19:38 < Hunterkll> on VMware
19:38 < gnupluslinux> so thats where my fees were going
19:38 < Hunterkll> https://www.eveonline.com/article/tranquility-tech-3/
19:38 < gnupluslinux> mo fuggin M$FT licensing fee
19:38 < Hunterkll> nah
19:38 < Hunterkll> that's the cheap bit
19:39 < Hunterkll> christ they're only licensing like 6 SQL servers
19:39 < Hunterkll> lol
19:39 < gnupluslinux> nah we M$FT circle jerkin
19:39 < Hunterkll> their MS bill is like pissing in the water
19:39 < Hunterkll> What you see here are 2x IBM SAN volume controllers which govern and control 2x IBM V5000 controllers which store all the data with 3x expansion shelves that house 9x800 GB SSD's with a grand total of 83x 1.2TB 10K SAS disks.
19:39 < gnupluslinux> i'll piss in your water
19:39 < Hunterkll> so there's two of those setups
19:40 < Hunterkll> The 4x Microsoft SQL Database machines will have a whopping 768GB of RAM each running on 1866MHz. They have 2 Intel E7-8893 v3 - 3.2GHz CPU's with 4 cores (8 hyper-threaded) and 45MB cache which are ideal for database-intensive workload.
19:40 < Hunterkll> 4 cores with 45MB cache lol
19:40 < Sousapro> what does everyone spec out their DC VMs at?
19:41 < Sousapro> I've been doing 2 core, 8gb ram and it feels a bit overkill
19:41 < JFDkthx> 1 2.7 ghz core and 4gb ram
19:41 < Hunterkll> depends on usage
19:41 < Hunterkll> but i never do less than 2 cores
19:41 < Hunterkll> otherwise windows updates that include .net just take FOREVER
19:41 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: yeah
19:41 < JFDkthx> pah
19:41 < JFDkthx> updates
19:41 < JFDkthx> who needs em
19:41 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: these aren't getting pounded
19:42 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Sousapro, That seems about right, but like Hunterkll depends on usuage.
19:42 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, i mean, on hyper-v i just set 'em to boot 512MB ram and dynamically expand
19:42 < Hunterkll> 2 vCPU, dynamic memory, done
19:42 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: lol, all you can eat RAM buffet
19:42 < Hunterkll> if they go insane then i might choke them
19:42 < Hunterkll> but let me check right now....
19:43 < Hunterkll> home DC sitting at 904MB ram usage
19:43 < Hunterkll> and 42 days uptime
19:43 < Hunterkll> ....
19:43 < Hunterkll> 1 sec patching
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> lol
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> 42 days is 11 days too long
19:43 < Sousapro> NVMe is cheating
19:43 < Sousapro> :P
19:44 < Hunterkll> Sousapro, 300GB 10 or 15K SAS
19:44 < Hunterkll> on a 2950
19:44 < gnupluslinux> mmm ddr2
19:44 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, it's like $whenever too long because these are publicly facing authoritative DNS servers too
19:44 < Hunterkll> :P
19:44 < Hunterkll> IPv6 only, but public glue records so ... lol
19:45 < gnupluslinux> i gota 1950 running my public node
19:45 < gnupluslinux> dat shit performance :)
19:47 <+giant_it_burrit> as a space heater i agree
19:48 < bigchim> ^^ loud af too
19:55 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: i'll sell you a pair of 2950 to replace your 1950
19:55 <@JollyRgrs> err, gnupluslinux
19:55 < Church-> Heya giant_it_burrit gnupluslinux JollyRgrs
19:56 < Church-> The man formerly known as Hunterkll
19:57 < Gencade> Hunterkll, is a weeb
19:58 <+DomLS3> Gencade: ++
20:00 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, i got a stack of those to
20:00 < gnupluslinux> too
20:00 < scwizard> if i get accepted into the aws bare metal instances preview
20:00 < scwizard> how long do you think it will take?
20:00 < Hunterkll> my internet browsing is becoming unreliable as i'm patching my DCs
20:00 < Hunterkll> lol
20:01 <+DomLS3> s/patching my DCs/watching pr0n
20:01 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll meant: "my internet browsing is becoming unreliable as i'm watching pr0n"
20:04 <+giant_it_burrit> stop slut shaming
20:04 < ScottAbraham> is there a channel for plc's?
20:04 < ScottAbraham> i want to do that
20:04 <+DomLS3> s/plc/bj
20:04 <+layer-eight> ScottAbraham meant: "is there a channel for bj's?"
20:05 <+DomLS3> so solicitation in the channel plz
20:05 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, https://imgur.com/389ez0V this is some HOT PORN
20:05 < Church-> Kinky
20:06 < Church-> Ugh I ate too many  burritos
20:06 < xtensive> burrito(s) um how many did you eat?!
20:07 < ScottAbraham> http://cs626517.vk.me/v626517411/3257/5969QXOD7eI.jpg
20:07 < ScottAbraham> wish i worked with those
20:11 < mal_will> idk if we're allowed to post files here? I got Salesforce sending me what they are calling an msi, but it seems to be a .air. Orca won't open it. I'm no genius though, so idk if I'm missing something
20:11 < tapoxi> hey I need some fake email addresses
20:11 < tapoxi> gimmie some good ones
20:11 <+giant_it_burrit> tapoxi@salesforce.com
20:11 <+giant_it_burrit> tapoxi@solarwinds.com
20:12 < mal_will> nvm, confirmed no .msi
20:12 < mal_will> Salesforce is ass
20:13 <+DomLS3> Hunterkll: why are you using cmd to perform updates instead of Windows Update -_-
20:13 < Hunterkll> .... server core?
20:13 <+DomLS3> oh
20:13 <+DomLS3> I didn’t realize people still installed server core
20:13 <+DomLS3> lol
20:13 < Hunterkll> ....?!?!
20:13 < Hunterkll> it's all I use unless application requires otherwise
20:14 <+DomLS3> I’ve legit never seen a single server core install personally
20:14 < Hunterkll> on one contract, our DCs all moved to core - except 1
20:14 < Hunterkll> a ton of DB serveres, like for sharepoint, are all core
20:14 < Hunterkll> Jenkins build server is core
20:14 < Hunterkll> SVN server is core
20:14 < Hunterkll> etc
20:14 <+DomLS3> what’s the benefit?
20:14 < Hunterkll> lower overhead, faster patching, smaller attack surface
20:14 < Hunterkll> but still runs most EXEs
20:15 < Hunterkll> even SCOM MPs can be server core now, i believe
20:15 < Hunterkll> SCCM site servers can be too
20:15 < Hunterkll> SharePoint and Exchange can't
20:15 < Hunterkll> Exchange requires the full desktop exp including the store features installed
20:15 < Hunterkll> >:3
20:15 < Hunterkll> yet won't let me run it on my windows 10 servers
20:15 < Hunterkll> :P
20:15 <+DomLS3> meh
20:15 <+DomLS3> give me u gui!
20:16 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/manage/windows-admin-center/understand/windows-admin-center
20:16 < Hunterkll> web gui
20:16 < Hunterkll> have fun
20:16 <+DomLS3> fuck a web gui
20:16 <+DomLS3> I hate browser based administration
20:17 < Hunterkll> or just use RSAT
20:17 < Hunterkll> What versions of Windows Server can I manage with Windows Admin Center?
20:17 < Hunterkll> Windows Admin Center will be optimized for Windows Server 2019 and enable key themes in the upcoming Windows Server 2019 release: hybrid cloud scenarios and hyper-converged infrastructure management in particular. Although Windows Admin Center will work best with Windows Server 2019, it supports managing a variety of versions that customers already use: Windows Server 2012 and newer.
20:17 < Hunterkll> lol
20:17 < Hunterkll> my windows DCs at home are the newer release - 1803 i think ?
20:18 < Hunterkll> 1709
20:19 <+giant_it_burrit> is doesnt do ad yet
20:19 <+giant_it_burrit> so therefore useless
20:19 < Hunterkll> ....?
20:19 < ScottAbraham> cli's are known to lower your testosterone according to many studies
20:19 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, huh?
20:19 <+giant_it_burrit> the new admin center
20:19 < JFDkthx> ScottAbraham: linux soy boys
20:19 <+giant_it_burrit> doesnt do ad yet
20:19 < Hunterkll> lol
20:20 < ScottAbraham> I not only want a gui, i want a my little pony telling me what to do along each step of the way
20:20 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, not entirely - you can throw it on free hyper-v server for ezier non-core management
20:20 <+giant_it_burrit> it isnt in the web gui ui uniying thing they are pushing
20:21 < Hunterkll> what
20:21 < Hunterkll> speak english
20:21 < Hunterkll> someone take giant_it_burrit's rum away for a bit
20:22 < ScottAbraham> honestly you don't need a gui, literally
20:22 < Hunterkll> Tell that to SharePoint
20:22 <+giant_it_burrit> the web gui admin center they are pushing , does not do anything with ad yet
20:22 < ScottAbraham> because server core can be managed with a gui from another machine
20:22 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, yes, we know that
20:22 <+giant_it_burrit> thats what i was saying
20:23 < Hunterkll> ok
20:23 < Hunterkll> go back into your hole
20:23 <+giant_it_burrit> im not drunk your rum
20:23 < Hunterkll> ScottAbraham, RSAT requires a slew of ports,firewall rules, connections, etc
20:23 < Hunterkll> this requires 1
20:23 <+giant_it_burrit> open the firewall!
20:23 < mal_will> SANS preaches server core use, hardddd
20:24 < Hunterkll> ScottAbraham, also remote registry configuration, firewall on the server, etc
20:24 < Hunterkll> basically, getting RSAT to work is a PITA in a locked up environment
20:24 < Hunterkll> whereas this is super fucking simple
20:31 <+giant_it_burrit> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8degz1/patchremove_webex_now/
20:31 <+giant_it_burrit> did you guys patch webex
20:32 < gnupluslinux> your mom patches webex
20:32 < Church-> tapoxi: Yooo
20:32 < gnupluslinux> i want to go home already
20:32 < Hunterkll> ^--- she does
20:33 < Church-> xtensive: Like three joey bag of donuts from Moes.
20:33 < mal_will> This fucking article: https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/distributing_air_in_enterprise.html
20:33 < Church-> Need to go to the gym later.
20:33 < mal_will> "After submitting your application and receiving approval from Adobe, you can distribute the AIR runtime on a closed intranet, through media such as CDs or DVDs, or as part of another native installation process."
20:33 < Hunterkll> mal_will, welcome to 2015?
20:33 < Church-> Heh
20:33 < mal_will> Yeah, I knew .air was abandoned but I didn't think it was that bad
20:33 < Hunterkll> mal_will, no. that's all adobe products.
20:34 < Hunterkll> flash, etc
20:34 < mal_will> lol
20:34 < Hunterkll> reader
20:34 < gnupluslinux> flash!
20:34 < gnupluslinux> ah-ah!
20:34 < Hunterkll> you need a distribution license
20:34 < mal_will> pdq has a legit flash patch setup
20:34 < Hunterkll> to get the msi's and shit
20:34 < Hunterkll> adobe gated all their enterprise packages
20:34 < Hunterkll> it's a free "license"
20:34 < mal_will> hmm. I just install it on my image then patch from there?
20:34 < Hunterkll> just a hoop to jump from
20:34 < mal_will> It seems to be working
20:34 < Hunterkll> yes
20:34 < gnupluslinux> s/all their enterprise packages/every damn thing/
20:34 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll meant: "adobe gated every damn thing"
20:34 < Hunterkll> if you want the MSI yourself
20:34 < Hunterkll> is different
20:34 < mal_will> deploying pro is a bitch tho
20:35 < gnupluslinux> i have the adobe acrobat msi somewhere...
20:35 < Hunterkll> mal_will, https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution.html
20:35 < Church-> Damn Intel Vaunt is doa. >_>
20:35 < Hunterkll> oh huh
20:35 < mal_will> Am I doing flash all wrong?
20:35 < Hunterkll> reader isn't gated
20:35 < Hunterkll> mal_will, you may be doing it against the agreement
20:35 < Hunterkll> pdq may have a license
20:35 < Hunterkll> who knows
20:35 < Hunterkll> or pdq may be using the public package
20:35 < Hunterkll> and not the msi
20:35 < mal_will> I just straight up install as a consumer then image, then patch from there
20:35 < Hunterkll> yea probably just using the consumer patchg
20:36 < Hunterkll> i use the MSIs
20:36 < mal_will> I gotta be honest, I barely care about building images anymore.
20:36 < Hunterkll> I don't build images
20:36 < mal_will> I have phoned it in for the last year or two
20:36 < Hunterkll> Bulding images is so 2005
20:36 < mal_will> I've built mine for every site I've supported for like 7 years now.
20:36 < Hunterkll> I just toss the base windows WIM into SCCM
20:36 < Hunterkll> and poke up a task sequence
20:36 < Hunterkll> just keep updating the bits in the TS
20:36 < Hunterkll> never build an image
20:36 < mal_will> I always work for smaller places that can't afford sccm/mdt roll outs
20:37 < Hunterkll> htf can't you afford mdt
20:37 < Hunterkll> it's free
20:37 < mal_will> I mean, why bother when I gotta use clonezilla for the rest?
20:37 < mal_will> also, the infrastructure isn't there
20:37 < Hunterkll> i mean
20:37 < Hunterkll> if you don't even have AD
20:37 < Hunterkll> then sure
20:37 < Hunterkll> that's fine
20:37 < mal_will> some of my sites don't even have internet and run on hotspots
20:37 < Hunterkll> lol
20:37 <+giant_it_burrit> id give him a pass at that rate
20:37 < mal_will> So I use clonezilla still, haha, and pdqdeploy
20:38 < Hunterkll> nope
20:38 < Hunterkll> intel NUCs as SCCM DPs
20:38 < Hunterkll> with 3G modems in them
20:38 < Hunterkll> :P
20:38 < Hunterkll> hahaha
20:38 < JFDkthx> i want me a nuc for a home linux box
20:38 < Hunterkll> if i were able to fuck up your day job
20:38 < Hunterkll> i'd just force you to use IBM BigFix
20:38 < Hunterkll> for everyone
20:38 < mal_will> I legit had to diagram to my boss why a $500 pdqdeploy license was a savings over having the tier one do manual installs
20:39 < Hunterkll> I use ninite pro for my home machines
20:39 < Hunterkll> got 3 licenses
20:39 < Hunterkll> $3/mo
20:39 < Hunterkll> lol
20:39 < Hunterkll> for apps i don't want to SCCM manage
20:39 < mal_will> I think when you become an IT manager you forget everything that happened before that moment in time
20:39 < mal_will> ninite is $3 a month?
20:39 < Hunterkll> $1/machine
20:40 < mal_will> not bad
20:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Sucks they took out Adobe Acrobat Reader though. I understand why they did it, however.
20:41 < gnupluslinux> JFDkthx, i run a skull canyon as a small home virt box
20:41 < gnupluslinux> its pretty nice
20:41 < mal_will> I need to make Outlook always enable a certain add-in. Maybe that's the rabbit hole for the day
20:41 < gnupluslinux> basically a laptop without the screen tho
20:42 < Hunterkll> mal_will, https://i.imgur.com/D2hwmnJ.png
20:42 < Hunterkll> SysAdminGoneCraZ, who took out reader?
20:43 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll, Ninite.
20:43 < Hunterkll> it's still in pro
20:43 < mal_will> ever see pdqdeploy Hunterkll ?
20:43 < Hunterkll> :P
20:43 < Hunterkll> nah
20:43 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Hunterkll,  WTF ...
20:43 < Hunterkll> never needed to use hackjob tools
20:43 < Hunterkll> :D
20:43 < mal_will> Psh. I'm a fan of the heartbeat trigger
20:43 < mal_will> but also, I'd like to see what a different admin would do with my environment
20:44 < mal_will> It is a real headfuck for me
20:44 < Hunterkll> SysAdminGoneCraZ, https://i.imgur.com/cCDnKbS.png
20:44 < Hunterkll> left is pro while logged in
20:44 < Hunterkll> for the build your own EXE
20:44 <+DomLS3> because you can’t push those apps via GPO for free
20:44 <+DomLS3> o_O
20:45 < mal_will> Does it uninstall as well?
20:45 < Hunterkll> yes
20:45 < Hunterkll> but only those apps listed
20:45 <+DomLS3> why would you pay for that when you can do it with GPO
20:45 < mal_will> and DomLS3 I defs don't wanna patch manage via gpo
20:45 < mal_will> that would suuuuck
20:45 <+DomLS3> patch manage?
20:45 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, update policies, etc
20:45 < Hunterkll> yea
20:45 <+DomLS3> I thought it was just simple app installs
20:45 < Hunterkll> my policy for all machines
20:45 < Hunterkll> is "keep shit fuckin updated "
20:45 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, and remote single machine push, etc
20:45 < Hunterkll> update only what's on machine
20:45 < Hunterkll> etc etc
20:45 <+DomLS3> mm
20:46 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, try it out. free 30 day trial, $1/mo per machine
20:46 < Hunterkll> just install the agent and use cloud management interface
20:46 <+DomLS3> too lazy
20:46 <+DomLS3> Hunterkll: #donger
20:46 <+DomLS3> you’ve been slacking
20:48 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, mal_will SysAdminGoneCraZ - https://i.imgur.com/CxveqsA.png
20:48 < Hunterkll> you can see all 3 of my machines have the latest february acrobat dc release
20:48 < Hunterkll> https://helpx.adobe.com/acrobat/release-note/release-notes-acrobat-reader.html#AcrobatDCandAcrobatReaderDCContinuousTrackreleasenotes
20:48 < Hunterkll> according to adobe anyway
20:48 <+DomLS3> Updating is for weebs
20:49 < Hunterkll> the machines all have this policy
20:49 < Hunterkll> keep shit fuckin updated n shit   (used on 3 machines)
20:49 < sideup66> Anyone have an easy way to schedule alerts in splunk, ie only send to 2 people this week, then 2 different people next week, etc, in like a schedule?
20:49 < Hunterkll> very professional
20:49 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> wow lol
20:49 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Looks like I might go pro
20:49 < Hunterkll> i mean
20:49 <+DomLS3> s/pro/gay
20:49 <+layer-eight> SysAdminGoneCraZ meant: "Looks like I might go gay"
20:49 < Hunterkll> for $1/machine/month
20:49 <+DomLS3> $1/machine recurring?
20:49 <+DomLS3> nvm
20:49 < Hunterkll> hence why i put in 'month'
20:49 < Hunterkll> god damn you are dumb as fuck
20:50 <+DomLS3> yeah I stopped reading after “machine”
20:50 < Hunterkll> oh yea
20:50 < Hunterkll> it supresses all supported app's update nags too
20:50 < Hunterkll> so i never see the OMFG JAVA WANTS UR UPDATES NAO bullshit
20:50 < sideup66> Fuck java
20:50 < sideup66> Make java die
20:51 <+DomLS3> my users go to sites that require specific versions of java
20:51 < sideup66> Pls
20:51 <+DomLS3> so if it gets updated they all break
20:51 <+DomLS3> piece of shit
20:51 < Hunterkll> you can set policy per apps
20:51 < Hunterkll> etc
20:51 < sideup66> Oh fuck. That.
20:51 < sideup66> I do NOT miss java
20:51 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, ninite pro still has reader 9 avaialblke for install
20:51 < Hunterkll> just saying
20:51 < Hunterkll> lol
20:51 < Hunterkll> I love java myself
20:51 < Hunterkll> but you've never seen the beauty that is singing java EE code on a z/series mainframe handling millions of transactions a second
20:52 < sideup66> Hunterkll: that's a unicorn.
20:52 < sideup66> When java is done right. It's fine.
20:52 < sideup66> Sadly, 99.999 percent of the time, it's not.
20:52 < bigchim> ^^
20:52 < Hunterkll> Azureus
20:52 < Hunterkll> now THERE was a damn good bittorrent client back then
20:52 < kepler> also just because it can, doens't mean something else can't
20:52 < Hunterkll> used it on linux, solaris, and windows with the same files
20:53 <+DomLS3> sideup66: even better
20:53 <+DomLS3> some sites they access don’t work in IE
20:53 <+DomLS3> so some sites they have to access in Chrome, some in IE
20:53 < Hunterkll> wat
20:53 < sideup66> Ouch
20:53 < Hunterkll> lol
20:53 <+DomLS3> fuckin gay
20:53 < sideup66> Lool
20:53 < Hunterkll> using IE6?
20:53 < sideup66> Prolly
20:53 <+DomLS3> IE11 lol
20:53 < sideup66> Written for windows xp
20:53 < sideup66> :)
20:53 <+DomLS3> shit doesn’t display properly like in Chrome
20:53 < Hunterkll> i'm still waiting for my QA team to finish validating the upgrade to IE6
20:53 < sideup66> Tellitubby hills
20:54 < Hunterkll> XP won't be approved until 2025
20:54 < sideup66> Hunterkll: where TF do you work that they don't use xp yet
20:54 < Hunterkll> shit we just got the budget to upgrade to pentium 3s last month
20:54 < sideup66> Remind me never to go therr
20:54 < sideup66> Imean
20:54 < Hunterkll> sideup66, United States of America, state government of YAAFR
20:54 < Hunterkll> You Are A Fucking Retard
20:54 < sideup66> When I did production enviroments for industrial I get it
20:55 < sideup66> Other than talking to each other, those boxes run nothing else
20:55 < sideup66> But anything else? Nooooope
20:55 < sideup66> Hunterkll: oh that explains it.
20:55 < sideup66> Need a lightbulb? Build a building around it.
20:55 < L3gacy> For great... NAKEDNESS
20:55 < L3gacy> We have RUM @ Shop today
20:55 < sideup66> Paint peeling? Replace wall
20:55 < Hunterkll> sideup66, you don't get it yet, do you?
20:55 < Hunterkll> I WAS BEING FUCKING SARCASTIC
20:55 < sideup66> I do
20:56 < Hunterkll> YOU ARE A GODDAMN MORON
20:56 < sideup66> It's full retard lol
20:56 < L3gacy> Paint peeling, eat chips?
20:56 < sideup66> And yes I know Hunterkll
20:56 < sideup66> I got that
20:56 < sideup66> But still
20:56 < sideup66> It's gubberment
20:56 < Hunterkll> how the FUCK could you even believe that someone in the WORLD is waiting on a QA team to approve IE6?!
20:56 < sideup66> Muh guns
20:56 < Hunterkll> i don't work for a state government
20:56 < Hunterkll> lol
20:56 < sideup66> DEY TEK ER GERNS
20:56 < L3gacy> Hunterkll, this is why I drink rum, till the rum is gone
20:56 < Hunterkll> like
20:56 < Hunterkll> okay
20:56 < Hunterkll> if you /have a QA team/
20:56 < sideup66> DEY TEK MER GERNS
20:56 < Hunterkll> you probably
20:56 < grumplestiltzkin> [Enter]
20:56 < Hunterkll> can upgrade a bit
20:57 < sideup66> Deeyyyyy took mAh gun
20:57 < sideup66> Dey took ER gerns
20:57 < Hunterkll> to a version that was out of support in 2004 or something
20:57 < sideup66> End er jerbs
20:57 < L3gacy> I just had a call from cardholder services.  They hung up when I said my credit was 413....
20:57 < L3gacy> lol
20:57 < Hunterkll> sideup66, hilariously, i'm legitimately worried about gun and accessory seizure laws potentially affecting things I own.
20:57 < grumplestiltzkin> Hunterkll: Don't you live in californistan?
20:57 < Hunterkll> because the attempts have actually been made
20:58 < Hunterkll> nope
20:58 < Hunterkll> ohterwise i probably wouldn't have anything lol
20:58 < sideup66> In any event
20:58 < sideup66> Guess no one knows splunk
20:58  * Hunterkll whistles innocent
20:58 < Hunterkll> splunk enterprise is in no way shape or form indexing all my irc logs in real time
20:58 < Hunterkll> nope
20:58 < Hunterkll> not happening
20:58 < Hunterkll> i swear
20:59 < sideup66> Let giggle
20:59 < sideup66> You are
20:59 < Hunterkll> https://ark.intel.com/products/93791/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E7-8893-v4-60M-Cache-3_20-GHz
20:59 < Hunterkll> this is a sexy CPU
20:59 < sideup66> I need to figure out something with splunk
20:59 < sideup66> Like schedule who received emails and when
20:59 < Hunterkll> don't ask to ask, just fucking ask, before I shove this blade up your ass
20:59 < sideup66> For oncall rotations
20:59 < Hunterkll> oh
20:59 < Hunterkll> hm
20:59 < sideup66> Nothing in google
20:59 < Hunterkll> you're using splunk for alerting
20:59 < Hunterkll> lololololol
20:59 < Hunterkll> man we ditched that shit SO hard after someone in our chain fell for their marketing
21:00 < Hunterkll> we even had CIO to CIO discussions about how trash their shit was
21:00 < sideup66> Monitoring moreso, got another thing for when the oncall went boom
21:00 < sideup66> Big co
21:00 < Hunterkll> a year before we bought in, splunk themselves was reccomending using microsoft SCOM
21:00 < sideup66> Not getting that shit changed
21:00 < sideup66> Wat
21:00 < Hunterkll> and ingesting the SCOM data into splunk for analysis
21:00 < Hunterkll> yea
21:00 < Hunterkll> Splunk was NEVER designed as a monitoring product
21:00 < sideup66> Why
21:00 < Hunterkll> it's receive only, they have shit features, false positives galore because of the agent design, etc
21:00 < Hunterkll> agent crashes? ur fukt
21:01 < Hunterkll> SCOM? Agent crashes? still have anther check/repair channel and can automate that
21:01 < Hunterkll> SCOM - much more in depth for monitoring on UNIX (HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, etc) - Linux (Debian, RHEL, SLES, generic), and windows then Splunk could EVER hope to be
21:01 < Hunterkll> also it's cheaper
21:01 < Hunterkll> I was the guy who replaced Splunk with SCOM
21:01 < Hunterkll> :>
21:01 < Hunterkll> and we had like
21:01 < Hunterkll> 500Gig/day license or something
21:02 < sideup66> I know
21:02 < Hunterkll> were throwing like $1.5mil/yr at it
21:02 < sideup66> It makes fucking noise to make noise
21:02 < sideup66> Anyway
21:02 < Hunterkll> splunk team kept asking us for absurd bullshit
21:02 < sideup66> I need to schedule shit
21:02 < grumplestiltzkin> [Enter]
21:02 < Hunterkll> 64 cores, 512gb ram, lol
21:02 < sideup66> grumplestiltzkin: stfu
21:02 < Hunterkll> sideup66, can you automate an exchange DL ?
21:02 < Hunterkll> or something?
21:02 < Hunterkll> lol
21:02 < grumplestiltzkin> sideup66: I wasn't talking about you
21:02 < sideup66> Exchange dl?
21:02 < Hunterkll> distributiuon list
21:03 < sideup66> O
21:03 < sideup66> Nah, it's not our team, sadly
21:03 < Hunterkll> you could request 2 or 3 exchange DLs
21:03 < Hunterkll> set splunk to mail all 3
21:03 < Hunterkll> and just have them reject during specific hours
21:03 < Hunterkll> that's the easy hackjob
21:03 < Hunterkll> :D
21:04 < Hunterkll> would require a powershells cript though
21:04 < Hunterkll> running somewhere touching the DLs or mailboxes
21:04 < Hunterkll> and spam NDRs all in the chain
21:05 < Hunterkll> sideup66, i'd just open a ticket with splunk
21:05 < Hunterkll> they ARE super responsive sometimes
21:09 < sideup66> Hunterkll: that could work... I'm keeping it in my pocket
21:09 < sideup66> Sadly I don't have the keys to this (another team)
21:09 < Hunterkll> yea
21:09 < Hunterkll> had that with my monitoring
21:09 < Hunterkll> KO'd them
21:10 < mal_will> Solarwinds probs. I'm monitoring so many routers they won't all fit on one page
21:11 < int0x1C8> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK printers
21:11 < sideup66> And you can schedule the change automatically
21:12 < rootsudo> Of course, Job offers in the middle of no where
21:12 < rootsudo> Does anyone here live in the middle of no where WA?
21:14 < UForgotten> uhm, its called working remotely. too bad he left
21:14 < JFDkthx> does anyone think its weird that howard dean's byaaaah ruined his presidential run, but some politicians and literally foam at the mouth nowadays and still get elected.
21:15 < bigchim> nothing makes sense in politics
21:15 < DrGibby|> BYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH
21:15 < DrGibby|> didn't he fall off of a stage, too?
21:15 <+DomLS3> #pol
21:15 < JFDkthx> BYAAAAAAAAHHH
21:15 <+DomLS3> #pol
21:15 <+DomLS3> #pol
21:15 < JFDkthx> i dont think so?
21:16 <+DomLS3> Please keep this filth out of the channel
21:16 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: please do needful and kick the filth DomLS3 out of the channel
21:16 < DrGibby|> JFDkthx: it was Bob Dole!
21:16 < JFDkthx> tia
21:16 < vinrock> MAKE REDDIT-SYSADMIN GREAT AGAIN!
21:16 <+DomLS3> I broke no rules
21:16 < JFDkthx> bob dole likes bob dole
21:16 < vinrock> bob dole likes the blue pills
21:16 < DrGibby|> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWib8GbrIlA
21:16 <+layer-eight> YouTube Bob Dole stage fall by 2006-11-01T19:01:37.000Z (duration: 27s) on Thu Nov 02 02:01:37 UTC 2006, 2006-11-01T19:01:37.000Z views
21:16 < JFDkthx> little snohflayk DomLS3
21:16 < vinrock> they give him a boner
21:16 <+DomLS3> JFDkthx: that made my brain hurt
21:19 < mal_will> Yeah, you used the have a high bar to be a public figure
21:19 < mal_will> but fergie pee'd her pants and is still a sex symbol
21:19 < mal_will> or so TV tells me
21:19 < ScottAbraham> really?
21:19 < mal_will> oh yeah
21:19 < UForgotten> for entertainment some people like that kind of stuff
21:19 <+DomLS3> fergie is ugly as fuck
21:19 < JFDkthx> i mean the cheeto pee'd on a hooker
21:19 <+DomLS3> almost as bad a chanel west coast
21:19 < UForgotten> agreed!!!  I do not find fergie the least bit appealing
21:20 < UForgotten> DomLS3 ++
21:20 < JFDkthx> and ted cruz is the zodiak killer
21:20 < mal_will> Chanel West Cost looks like a cabbage patch
21:20 < JFDkthx> that one guy's name stands for poop jizz
21:20 < JFDkthx> DomLS3:
21:20 < JFDkthx> thats the one
21:20 <+DomLS3> samantha hoopes = bae
21:20 < mal_will> Arian Grande is also...to young looking
21:20 < mal_will> too*
21:20 < sideup66> Ugh
21:20 < sideup66> So
21:20 < sideup66> Were okay throwing millions at splunk for mediocre ability
21:21 < JFDkthx> splunk is as good as it's admins
21:21 < sideup66> But we're not okay spending 100 bucks a year for our team to clhave a distro system
21:21 < UForgotten> penny wise dollar stupid (tm)
21:21 < sideup66> Trip over dollars
21:21 < sideup66> To save pennies.
21:23 < sideup66> I'm just getting frustrated with this
21:23 < sideup66> I had an SMS forwarder service, said okay get that, put everyone on gvoice
21:23 < sideup66> Nope
21:24 < sideup66> But find something
21:24 < sideup66> Okay, show pager duty
21:24 < sideup66> Goes against another corporate program we use for paging
21:24 < sideup66> Supposedly integration can be done from there
21:24 < ScottAbraham> Was that a turd that I saw at the bottom of used toilet?
21:25 < sideup66> We have xmatters
21:25 < sideup66> And it does splunk integration
21:25 < felda> damn why are pretzels so good
21:26 < sideup66> So I guess there is door number 3
21:26 < ScottAbraham> Hand over free stuff to black folks who demand it otherwise you are racist
21:26 < ScottAbraham> are you guys IT ninjas?
21:26 < felda> no we aren't that pretentious
21:27 < ScottAbraham> felda I'm an IT ninja
21:27 < felda> IT ninjas are the weebs of IT
21:27 < ScottAbraham> is anyone here an IT ninja?
21:27 < UForgotten> anyone who proclaims to be a ninja or a wizard is neither a ninja nor a wizard
21:28 < mal_will> I just got this error, omg https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VfNRHCd0/image.png
21:28 < felda> :O
21:28 < int0x1C8> I'm a winja nizard
21:28 < felda> our lord and saviour
21:28 < mal_will> Dunning-Krueger (sp?) effect
21:28 < _fuzzzerd_> hey felda you're the pfsense guy around here, yes?
21:28 < felda> UForgotten the DNS Maniac has arrived
21:28 < felda> _fuzzzerd_ yes I'm president of the pfsense fan club
21:28 < UForgotten> How did I get the title DNS maniac?
21:28 < UForgotten> I've forgotten
21:28 < felda> you own the channel yeah?
21:28 < UForgotten> XD
21:28 < mal_will> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
21:28 < felda> and cryptic1 is vice president
21:29 < felda> and cryptic1 invented dns
21:29 < UForgotten> nobody 'owns' anything but I am the founder
21:29 < mal_will> Dunning-Kruger is just life
21:29 < felda> so therefore you trained cryptic1 in the ways of the Dark DNS ways
21:29 <@cryptic1> felda, oh its you again
21:29 < _fuzzzerd_> I have a /56 block of ipv6 from my ISP; I am able to get an ipv6 address on my pfsense wan interface; and I've setup my LAN interface to 'track interface' but I can't seem to get ipv6 working any tips?
21:29 < UForgotten> ohai cryptic1
21:29 < UForgotten> ltns
21:29 < felda> _fuzzzerd_ you have DHCPv6 and Router Advertisements turned on?
21:29 <@cryptic1> felda, no one is going to stop using dns.  You need to disband your anti-dns cult
21:29 < _fuzzzerd_> FWIW, I can ping ipv6 from the pfsense ping utility, but my LAN interface will not pickup anything
21:29 <@cryptic1> hey UForgotten
21:30 < ScottAbraham> dns is for hacks
21:30 < ScottAbraham> l2sysadmin
21:30 < _fuzzzerd_> Yes, I have DHCPv6 running and Router Advertisment is set to  Assisted
21:31 < felda> I haven't messed with IPv6 that much so I'm not sure if I will be able to help you
21:31 <+giant_it_burrit> cryptic1: stop hating felda you know your day would be boring without him
21:31 <+giant_it_burrit> at least here
21:31 < _fuzzzerd_> np. thought I'd check.
21:31 < felda> I used HE Tunnel to get IPv6 and had to manually assign my IPv6 address to all my local interfaces :(
21:31 < tsarbomba> one day felda is going to have a stroke because of all the ipv6 addresses he has to remember
21:31 < felda> you can still set it inside the scope with the 1st address and it shoudl be fine
21:32 < _fuzzzerd_> I found several blog posts with people saying all you do is set the LAN to 'track interface' and its good
21:32 < _fuzzzerd_> but that wont work for me
21:32 < felda> I think that only applies when using DHCPv6 on the WAN
21:32 < _fuzzzerd_> That is what I have, but maybe that's wrong?
21:32 < _fuzzzerd_> My want is set to receive its IP from DHCPv6
21:32 < felda> yeah I haven't tinkered with it enough
21:33 < _fuzzzerd_> alright, i'll keep tinkering
21:33 < Gencade> is it friday
21:33 < tsarbomba> not yet
21:33 < felda> _fuzzzerd_ did you have Send IPv6 Prefix hint selected on WAN?
21:33 < tsarbomba> but we are planning to bbq felda over the altar of DNS on friday
21:34 < _fuzzzerd_> felda, yeah. I do.
21:36 < vinrock> yo how the fuck do you change user in the cups web admin console?  I tried to reprint a job and entered the wrong credentials now theyre cached and theres no logout or anything.
21:40 < xamithan> All you can do is remove the cups cookie, restart,  or use another browser
21:43 < Hunterkll> vinrock, CUPS has a web console? :o
21:44 < vinrock> Yeah it's just not enabled by default in cupsd.conf
21:44 < ouemt> afternoon all, anyone use request tracker?
21:44 < vinrock> It's handy if you need to reprint jobs
21:44 < br34k> why do switches still come with telnet enabled by default?? it's 2018 FFS
21:45 < xamithan> So you don't get complacement is not configuring them
21:46 < tsarbomba> are you using the one browser left on the planet that doesn't have an incognito/secure mode?
21:46 < xamithan> br34k: My job still uses telnet everywhere networking
21:46 < tsarbomba> drop into incognito, log in, great success
21:46 < br34k> xamithan, really? it is because those systems don't support ssh/ too old?
21:47 < tsarbomba> it's because plaintext data transfer is for the adventurous
21:47 < tsarbomba> unencrypted connections ride or die
21:47 <+NinjaStyle> if youre still using telnet you should stahp
21:47 < xamithan> They didn't when the environment was created.  But now it is because the network admin is too lazy to change things
21:47 < tsarbomba> i'm using naked ftp to transfer ninjastyle's tax documentsz
21:48 < br14> I asked for an inventory of parts.  They hand wrote (in cursive) part names and quantities.  ohai, when IT asks for something just go ahead and do it in Excel mmmk?
21:48 < tsarbomba> no ssh when the environment was created? do you work in ancient sumeria?
21:48 < br34k> lol figured.. i mean, there's not much to enabling ssh (assuming it's installed)
21:48 < tsarbomba> brb, going to work in pagan rome
21:48 < xamithan> A lot of equipment older than 10 years doesn't do ssh
21:49 < br34k> ....ten years ago was 2008
21:49 < tsarbomba> windows 7 is 9 years old, for reference's sake
21:50 <+NinjaStyle> xamithan: just stahp
21:50 < tsarbomba> i'd hate to do the postmortem on that one. "all data was snooped because our environment doesn't support ssh"
21:50 < UForgotten> ouemt most people call it "RT" but not in ages, most places have switched to osTicket or JIRA
21:50 < UForgotten> or redmine or some other non-perl solution :)
21:50 < ouemt> UForgotten: yeah, I'm just troubleshooting a new install and their docs and the error messages conflict
21:50 < xamithan> How is the data getting snooped
21:51 < UForgotten> if you're just now installing it, walk away.
21:51 < tsarbomba> lol uforgotte
21:51 < br34k> i hate it when old devices *used to* support ssh, but no longer do because their encryption suite is considering out of date
21:51 < UForgotten> Unless you _want_ to spend the rest of your life in perl hacking hell. Are you a masochist?
21:52 < UForgotten> I man maybe they rewrote it, idk
21:52 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Apparently the mysql DB created by the docker wasn't erased with the prune.
21:52 < tsarbomba> "the time to bail on this disaster has passed" -- captain of the poseidon
21:52 < smrtz> In case you were wondering what my issue was.
21:52 <+NinjaStyle> smrtz: wat? how?
21:52 < smrtz> Because docker and mysql are magic.
21:52 < tsarbomba> s/magic/cancer
21:52 <+layer-eight> smrtz meant: "Because docker and mysql are cancer."
21:52 <+NinjaStyle> but the mysql db was a docker container
21:53 <+NinjaStyle> so you should have been able to kill it
21:53 < smrtz> I have no idea, but, that's what the problem was.
21:53 <+NinjaStyle> wtf
21:53 < tsarbomba> luckily for smrtz mysql has gone into remission
21:53 < smrtz> Yeah.
21:53 < smrtz> Haha.
21:53 < Hunterkll> MariaDB has gone into remission them?
21:54 < UForgotten> s/mysql/mariadb
21:54 <+layer-eight> tsarbomba meant: "luckily for smrtz mariadb has gone into remission"
21:54 < UForgotten> yeah they excised the oracle tumors
21:54 < felda> those feels when you just have extra money in your account and don't have to schedule your bills.  you just pay them
21:54 <+NinjaStyle> oracle is a tumor
21:54 < felda>  (• ◡•)
21:54 <+NinjaStyle> two dudes i work with came here from oracle
21:54 < tsarbomba> tfw you schedule your bills through your bank's epay and never even think about them
21:54 < br34k> oracle is stage 7 ready to fuck you up dead cancer
21:54 <+NinjaStyle> they say it sucks but the pay is good
21:55 < UForgotten> s/came here/escaped
21:55 <+layer-eight> NinjaStyle meant: "two dudes i work with escaped from oracle"
21:55 < tsarbomba> kurt russell should do a new movie "escape from oracle"
21:55 < ihre> felda: time to expand your feldafact gathering, send a mail to CA inquiring for some help
21:55 < tsarbomba> i think felda is more interested in 'alternative facts'
21:56 < smrtz> NinjaStyle: Oh, the volumes were still there.
21:56 <+NinjaStyle> felda.io cured my hiv by giving me full blown aids
21:56 < felda> these are 69% real facts
21:56 < ihre> CA can also help with that based on the amount of feldafacts already in his db i assume
21:56 < ihre> is your backend mongodb felda?
21:56 < UForgotten> felda feelsgoodman.jpg
21:56 < grumplestiltzkin> <Movie announcer voice> In a world, frought with licensing hell - Snake Pliskin, as you've never seen him.   He's angry, He's trapped, He's a DBA. This summer's blockbuster will be ... ESCAPE FROM ORACLE </movie announcer voice
21:57 < felda> ihre my backend is felda.ass my dude
21:57 < felda> but yeah got my truck paid off, phone paid off, electricity bill cut in half
21:57 <+NinjaStyle> you guys know about koala aids?
21:57 <+NinjaStyle> its called kids
21:57 < felda> saving $300 a month
21:57 < felda> FEELS GOOD
21:57 < UForgotten> "Get to the chopper!"    "What chopper? I have a vespa."   "GET TO THE SCOOTER!"
21:57 < ihre> felda: also sounds webscale, datfatass
21:57 < br34k> ESCATE_FROM_ORACLE.mkv.exe
21:58 < UForgotten> .divx.js.zip
21:58 <+NinjaStyle> notabackdoor.exe
21:58 < grumplestiltzkin> felda: your truck, phone (?) and half electricity was $300 total / month?
21:58 <+NinjaStyle> simcity4.notbackdoored.exe
21:58 < br34k> howDoIunTARthis.tar.gz.xvzf
21:59 < grumplestiltzkin> I mean, felda - good on you for killing that debt
21:59 < tsarbomba> electricity bill cut in half? did someone rob you, felda?
21:59 < UForgotten> I got a long way to go on bills. need my wife's business to pick up some.
21:59 < felda> truck was $160 a month, phone was $30, ameren cut in half by $50 (was based upon previous tenants usage), and there are a few other debts / things I cut out
21:59 < tsarbomba> cash & carry business
21:59 < felda> got my medical bills paid off which was part of that
21:59 < tsarbomba> lol $50
21:59 < felda> the beginning of this year really had me in a pinch
21:59 < grumplestiltzkin> phone was $30 - to pay for the device, not service - right?
21:59 < tsarbomba> i haven't had a $50 power bill since i lived in the condo
22:00 < felda> grumplestiltzkin right
22:00 < felda> tsarbomba I live in a 1 bedroom small apartment
22:00 < felda> by myself for obvious reasons  ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
22:00 < grumplestiltzkin> nokiea 3310?
22:00 < tsarbomba> :(
22:00 < tsarbomba> someone needs to launch feldamatch.com
22:00 < UForgotten> wow
22:01 < corn266> only match anyone gets is felda
22:01 < UForgotten> I just got a spam text
22:01 < xamithan> Someone needs to launch Feldaup.com
22:01 < tsarbomba> "are you a single lady? do you love open source firewalls? feldamatch.com is for you!"
22:01 < UForgotten> telling me I can buy medical marijuana
22:01 < tsarbomba> maybe they're offering, uforgotten
22:01 < UForgotten> I just have to click on $somespywarelink
22:01 < felda> Illinois needs to hurry up and legalize weed
22:01 < felda> not that I even smoke
22:01 < tsarbomba> click the link and a nigerian prince will bring you some sticky icky
22:01 < br34k> low orbit ion cannon > feldamatch.com
22:01 < Hunterkll> yet
22:01 < UForgotten> my electric bills were bad then I got a new AC and they have gone way down
22:01 < felda> nice
22:02 < felda> I'm lucky I have base board electric heating
22:02 < UForgotten> I still owe on the AC tho. it wasnt cheap
22:02 < felda> so in the winter I can keep it low and not have to pay for gas service which really saved me
22:02 < xamithan> How do you estimate that type of stuff.  Like old apartment cheap rent but electricity is insane,  or new apartment expensive rent but cheap electric
22:03 < felda> Rent is something that I would place as static
22:03 < grumplestiltzkin> new windows saved a metric ton of cash in summer (all 8 months of it) for us
22:03 < tsarbomba> heh. i think they just dispense with the idea of 'cheap rent' here altogether
22:03 < felda> using good technique you could reduce your electricity bill
22:03 < tsarbomba> you won't find a 1bed1bath for under $1000/month in hte sketchiest parts of town
22:03 < grumplestiltzkin> felda: you mean - if you do the needful?
22:03 < tsarbomba> you might get lucky with a shoebox studio for $900
22:03 < felda> yeah :-/
22:03 < felda> you have to shutdown your pfsense and your homelab if you want to save money
22:04 < tsarbomba> they can take felda's pfsense but they can never take his freedom
22:04 < felda> exactly
22:04 < UForgotten> xamithan call the power company and they can tell you what the historical bills have been at an addresss
22:05 < UForgotten> that should be a good indicator of what to expect
22:05 < felda> On amazon a watt usage checker is only $20
22:05 < felda> each week you could check a different device to find the culprit
22:07 < xamithan> How does that work for non-standard stuff that you would need to check like AC, dishwasher, furnace
22:07 < Hunterkll> oh christ
22:07 < Hunterkll> someone yo dawg'd me
22:07 < Hunterkll> at work
22:07 < Hunterkll> "Yo dawg, i heard you like citrix, so we put citrix inside of your citrix so you can log into citrix while being inside of citrix"
22:07 < xamithan> Thats the reason I've never gotten one of those kill-a-watt type devices
22:07 < Hunterkll> picture and everything
22:08 < xamithan> SET THEIR BACKGROUND TO FELDA.IO
22:08 < xamithan> livewallpaper
22:09 < felda> xamithan your dishwasher probably does have a plugin behind it.  as for the furnace, heater, and ac you would need to lookup their model numbers to check expected power usage
22:09 < ihre> i've turned off my homelab to save some money, i think its easily 1400-1600eur/yr turned on, at ~700-800w 24/7
22:11 < ihre> still need to put that stuff up for sale, no idea what a 2x 2630v3/64g ddr4 2u supermicro should cost though
22:11 < bmurt> like $25
22:11 < bmurt> i can paypal it to you
22:11 < ihre> 30 and its yours, but you have to come pick it up
22:11 < bmurt> ehh, no can do.
22:11 < bmurt> what is shipping
22:12 < ihre> 3fiddy
22:12 < bmurt> pfft.
22:12 < ihre> probably between 300 and 500$
22:12 <+NinjaStyle> ayyyyy oooohh
22:12 < tsarbomba> hand over the server and bmurt won't break yr kneecaps
22:13 < ihre> across the ocean aint cheap
22:13 < xamithan> You can't email it and just let him 3d print it out ?
22:13 < tsarbomba> fax it to him
22:15 < ihre> i'll try if you send me a fax device
22:20 < derpingit> whdap everyone
22:23 < DrGibby|> the sky
22:24 < derpingit> stupid 101 question. i was looking into hosting an ad in azure, but if i'm understanding correctly, it';s mostly for web apps and authentication and lacks computer management via gpo.. does that mean azure is more of a hybrid solution for having backup authentication services?
22:28 < ScottAbraham> i still don't see the point to a homelab
22:28 < ScottAbraham> wish i did
22:28 <+shakygator> Do stuff
22:28 <+shakygator> Duh
22:30 < xamithan> homelab is for people with bad home internet
22:30 < xamithan> Which is the majority of us
22:30 < ihre> ???
22:30 <+shakygator> Or like, doing stuff
22:30 < xamithan> Doing the cloud
22:30 <+shakygator> Some of us like to actually run services at home
22:31 <+shakygator> Yeah but cloud is reoccurring cost
22:31 <+shakygator> AWS ain't cheap
22:31 < ihre> cant really do bare metal provisioning w/ cloud instances either ;p
22:31 < ScottAbraham> so is homelab
22:31 < xamithan> So is hardware maintaince and electricity
22:31 <+shakygator> Still cheaper
22:31 < xamithan> maintenance*
22:31 < ihre> luckily i didnt have to pay for electricity at my previous place
22:31 < ScottAbraham> debatable
22:32 <+shakygator> I have the $60k AWS invoices to prove it
22:32 < ScottAbraham> don't some isp's block port 80 and stuff like that
22:32 < xamithan> You don't go AWS if you are concerned about price though
22:32 < ScottAbraham> right
22:32 <+shakygator> I'm not saying host a website at home, that's just dumb
22:32 < ihre> probably, but its not to host from home, just to test shit
22:32 < ScottAbraham> digital ocean is pretty cheap, but it's not even the cheapest
22:32 < ihre> without breaking anything at work :p
22:32 <+shakygator> I have some droplets
22:32 <+shakygator> Not too bad
22:32 < gnupluslinux> what ISP blocks 80 on nonresidential lines?
22:32 < xamithan> I could get a colo 1u or 2u spot for about 80 bucks
22:32 < UForgotten> if you need a cheap lab you gotta get one of those $25/year cheap VPS instances
22:32 < ihre> i used my homelab to get used to puppet, and then it expanded to a lot more
22:33 < Jekotia> What are the chances of firing up a WIndows 98 VM with some sort of adapter for a physical IBM MicroChannel Bus card slot? We have some equipment manufactured in 1985 that has no support beyond Windows 98, and uses said card slot to communicate with the equipment... Worried about when that old computer eventually dies.
22:33 <+shakygator> Yeah you can't really learn KVM on cloud
22:33 < gnupluslinux> you could get an entire rack + internet and power for like 300-400
22:33 < gnupluslinux> thats how much one of my clients is paying HE in fremont
22:33 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: ...probably similar to winning the lottery. Or lower.
22:34 <+shakygator> You can get a home lab for under 200 depending on storage needs
22:34 < xamithan> That is better than those cheap kansas city colocation prices
22:34 < ScottAbraham> plus you have to account for the space used at home
22:34 < Jekotia> Heresiarch: That's what I thought
22:34 < UForgotten> I used to work for a company that built shit for that purpose but expect to pay $$$$ because mainframe
22:34 <+shakygator> And electrical is only reoccurring, I have cheap power so
22:34 < gnupluslinux> you could do a homelab for 0 depending on how much stuff you got laying around
22:34 < ihre> in the end it was a 4 node ovirt cluster + ansible tower, puppet ca/master, kerb realm, vpn, shit like that
22:34 < ScottAbraham> to me homelab = clutter
22:34 < gnupluslinux> for some reason i keep forgetting you still lurk UForgotten
22:34 <+shakygator> Scott quit living in a box
22:34 < xamithan> homelab is just more junk I have to move when I change apartments
22:35 <+shakygator> Sounds like you have to much junk
22:35 < gnupluslinux> you could do a homelab like on a table
22:35 <+shakygator> It's spring, clean
22:35 < Heresiarch> Jekotia: leaving aside the potential issues of win98 on a VM, it's damn near impossible to both find a microchannel bus card slot, *and* pass it into said VM.
22:35 < UForgotten> gnupluslinux I'm schrodingers op
22:35 < ScottAbraham> i collect power tools
22:35 < xamithan> I do,  furniture is large
22:35 < UForgotten> neither here nor gone until someone opens the box
22:35 <+shakygator> My lab sits next to my media rack, nbd
22:35 <+AnonymooseWork> my lab sits next to my electrical panel
22:35 <+AnonymooseWork> i have a T710
22:35 < gnupluslinux> my lab could fit in like one of those postal boxes
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> and a wallmount rack with all my network switch gear
22:36 < gnupluslinux> biggest thing is the switch but that could easily be cut down
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> same gnupluslinux
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> switch for me is a cheapy 24p gigabit switch
22:36 < gnupluslinux> that said i paid way more than if i had bought used server gear
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> rosewill i think
22:36 < ihre> and i actually think i've landed my current job based on a lot of experience i've gatherd from a homelab
22:36 < ihre> so in that regard, it paid off
22:36 < ScottAbraham> maybe i could get a half rack for a homelab
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> ihre yea it certainly cain
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> err can
22:36 < xamithan> I'll sell you a half rack
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> I've been thinking of expanding my homelab
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> but
22:36 <+AnonymooseWork> time
22:37 < gnupluslinux> AnonymooseWork, i grabbed an edgeswitch lite, could easily swap that out for a cheapo little 8 port netgear smart switch or something
22:37 < xamithan> No one wants to pay shipping on racks though =(
22:37 < ihre> gnupluslinux: dont
22:37 < ihre> cant change the default vlan
22:37 < gnupluslinux> or just internalize it into a vm with ovs or something
22:37 < ihre> so you dont want that :P
22:37  * Church- is planning to revamp his home network soon.
22:37 < gnupluslinux> ihre, tru but otherwise itd work :)
22:37  * Church- rubs hands and drools...
22:37 <+shakygator> Amazon prime for racks, or clist
22:37 < gnupluslinux> actually no, i think my little 5port lets you change default vlan
22:38 < gnupluslinux> gotta set the tags tho iirc
22:38 < ihre> i have a gs108e, cant change it on that one
22:38 < gnupluslinux> point being, you can make a tiny one with like a couple of rpis and the small unifi things
22:39 < ihre> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G150229074080
22:39 <+shakygator> My home lab got me my devops job
22:39 < ihre> i'd rather get those than rpis
22:39 < gnupluslinux> ihre, mine's i _think_ its one of these cheesy little things https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Gigabit-Lifetime-Protection-GS105Ev2/dp/B00HGLVZLY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1524170343&sr=8-1&keywords=netgear+gs105e goes on sale for like $5
22:39 < ihre> mine landed in the bin at work, had to resolder the psu, works fine again
22:39 < ihre> so free :^)
22:40 < gnupluslinux> nice
22:40 < xamithan> Not having a homelab got me denied a job once
22:40 < xamithan> I told the dude why have a homelab,  I work in a DC and got an entire rack to myself
22:40 < xamithan> Wasn't a good answer =-(
22:40 < ihre> i have both my puppet and terraform stuff in git and just push that to git
22:41 < ihre> and add a link to that profile in my resume, good enough ;p
22:41 < ihre> to github*
22:41 < gnupluslinux> shit if i could move my lab to a dc that'd be dope
22:41 < gnupluslinux> one less corner occupied
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> really xamithan dang
22:41 < Heresiarch> ihre: how do you like terraform? I'm considering picking it up...ansible is not impressing me with infrastructure-level support.
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> you should hav ejust said yes you do have one
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> i dunno
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> i picked up those 'powershell in a month of lunches' books
22:41 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm gonna work on that
22:42 < xamithan> I'm going to say that next time,  then just make up some shit
22:42 < gnupluslinux> xamithan, whos gonna check
22:42 < xamithan> Oh yeah I got some uhh DL360s and some R710s
22:42 < gnupluslinux> oh hey cool lemme check out yo house fam
22:42 < gnupluslinux> r610s is where its at boyyeee
22:42 < gnupluslinux> 1u4u
22:43 < ScottAbraham> i don't have a home lab but i have a work bench with a big vise
22:43 < bmurt> Heresiarch: terraform is legit
22:43 < ScottAbraham> and a welder
22:43 <+shakygator> I got an ml110
22:43 < ihre> Heresiarch: it can be a SERIOUS pain in the ass, but in general, I really like it, i found that after a while i just started building some kind of snippet repository for myself, and right now, i mostly just copy/paste stuff because in the end most setups are kind of the same
22:43 < grumplestiltzkin> "Why, of course i have a homelab. It consists of a NES with game genie and an original colecovision
22:43 < xamithan> homelab? Fuck that I got a MAN CAVE
22:43 < bmurt> packer + terraform + cm tool of your choice and you're in business Heresiarch * ihre
22:43 < xamithan> Got that xbox one and PS4
22:44 < Heresiarch> bmurt: I'd prefer cloud-init for bootstrap, but fair enough. thx
22:44 < Heresiarch> ihre: thx as well - I'll see about picking up terraform.
22:44 < bmurt> packer for prebaking
22:44 < tsarbomba> s/man/bear
22:44 <+layer-eight> Jekotia meant: "What are the chances of firing up a WIndows 98 VM with some sort of adapter for a physical IBM MicroChannel Bus card slot? We have some equipment bearufactured in 1985 that has no support beyond Windows 98, and uses said card slot to communicate with the equipment... Worried about when that old computer eventually dies."
22:44 < tsarbomba> goddamnit
22:44 < ihre> Heresiarch: i ran into a stupid issue today actually, modified an aws security group w/ the cli, figured i could import it into my state file afterwards, but you cant import security_group_rules, just entire groups, which then turns into a race condition, or just fails after trying for 15 minutes
22:44 < tsarbomba> s/MAN/BEAR
22:44 <+layer-eight> xamithan meant: "homelab? Fuck that I got a BEAR CAVE"
22:44 < bmurt> terraform + userdata (which cloud-init uses) and you're good Heresiarch
22:45 < ihre> yup ^
22:45 < Heresiarch> bmurt: yup.
22:45 < bmurt> the other benefit to terraform from CFT or some other shit is the amount of provisioners you can use
22:45 < ihre> with tf you can just copy/paste your existing cloud-init template into a data file, and reuse that as user-data afterwards
22:45 < xtensive> now to find a woman cave
22:45 < bmurt> vmware, azure, gcp, etc
22:45 < Heresiarch> I just hate the idea of a golden image, even for initial bootstrap.
22:45 < bmurt> why?
22:45 < Heresiarch> too easy to not document.
22:46 < Giant81> anyone know of a 2.5" 9.5mm 3Tb drive?
22:46 < bmurt> your code is part of your documentation
22:46 < bmurt> it is version controlled right?
22:46 < ScottAbraham> good code is self documenting
22:46 < ScottAbraham> for the most part
22:46 < Heresiarch> bmurt: ofc. Packer reads like an alternative of userdata, so in that case it's just personal preference.
22:47 < ihre> yup, either packer with *tool of choice, or cloud init, but they arent mutually exclusive either
22:47 < ihre> so meh :p
22:48 < Heresiarch> does packer provide post-bake logs on the image/instance?
22:48 < ihre> i've mostly used bash scripts with the shell provisioner, and then just tee to a file
22:48 < ihre> so in that case, yes
22:48 < Heresiarch> *twitch*
22:49 < Heresiarch> ...I'll stick with userdata. :D
22:49 < ihre> and then forget to lint
22:49 < ihre> :D
22:50 < ihre> or | vs inline, one works, the other fails miserably ~_~
22:50 < jaelae> any good enterprise AV solutions anyone recommend for VMs - mostly windows? I am trying to find something that has an excellent dashboard to manage it
22:51 < ihre> but since i found that way to just test cloud-init w/ lxc, i tend to lean to cloud-init as well
22:51 < jaelae> running into issues with 3000 + vms where it is hard to manage what should and shouldnt be excluded
22:51 < ihre> well, was told to use lxc by one of the devs on their channel :^)
22:51 < dragonfleas> I'm going crazy from my new DC not having a netlogon or sysvol share
22:51 < dragonfleas> it's like it won't generate those shares and folders
22:51 < dragonfleas> I have no idea why
22:51 < gnupluslinux> we use cylance here
22:51 < dragonfleas> I've followed all microsoft recommended fixes in 3 different KB's and none of them fix the issue
22:51 < vinrock> "Japanese company tricks three Vietnamese trainees in the name of "Technical Intern Training Program" to clean up nuclear waste in Fukushima"
22:52 < vinrock> GOTEM
22:52 < sadbox> Heresiarch: hey at least golden images are a lil' more stable then a lot of the "run this shit on start" solutions
22:52 < ihre> more stable /
22:52 < bmurt> Heresiarch: i used a cm tool or bash or powershell and create a prebake
22:52 < bmurt> then launch that into aws then use userdata to trigger finalizing configuration management
22:52 < Heresiarch> sadbox: consistency begets stability.
22:52 < sadbox> ihre: stable in the sense of "more likely to not break randomly in the future / for random periods of time"
22:53 < ihre> just check which version of cloud-init you're dealing with and youre pretty much on set ?
22:53 < sadbox> Heresiarch: I'm saying that golden image beats "run random commands" for consistency
22:53 < sadbox> Just a thought, not arguing that it's better
22:54 < ihre> and then the way a provisioner behaves changes, but you didnt check the change log and youre in the same boat?
22:54 < ihre> it sounds like a shit argument to me :P
22:54 < Heresiarch> sadbox: ...that's true. But using something like cloud-init, or packer, is not the same as "running random commands" .
22:55 < sadbox> ihre: to sorta back this up a bit, I interact regularly w/ a couple systems for setting up OS-es
22:55 < bmurt> sadbox: i agree
22:55 < ihre> sadbox: i think most of us do
22:55 < sadbox> one is golden images, one runs through anaconda / yum / etc
22:55 < sadbox> they have pros/cons
22:55 < sadbox> but it's silly to call one better
22:55 < ihre> i also dont think anyone said one is better than the other
22:56 < ihre> i specifically said they arent mutually exclusive to begin with :P
22:56 < sadbox> ahh, fair enough
22:56 < sadbox> must have misread
22:56 < tsarbomba> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43821512
22:57 < sadbox> Heresiarch: lets be honest tho, building an OS/environment is always "running random commands"
22:57 < sadbox> even if we abstract it a lil'
22:57 < Heresiarch> sadbox: that's part of the point. The abstraction allows for consistency in code. The actual interaction with the OS may change from time to time, but that's relatively easy to isolate.
22:58 < tsarbomba> i don't think that's what 'random' means
22:58 < sadbox> Heresiarch: Hopefully your thing building the golden image is automated
22:58 < sadbox> I guess I'm starting from that assumption
22:58 < Church-> Hmm, what's the networking equip to get? Ubquiti?
22:58 < Heresiarch> sadbox: the idea of "it's all random commands" also ignores idempotence - which is present in most solutions.
22:59 < sadbox> Heresiarch: years of chef / OS work / etc has taught me that idempotence is an illusion
22:59 < Heresiarch> sadbox: more or less. My current "golden image" build is a base OS with a little bit of space carved out for a swap partition. Aside from that, it's all cloud-init/userdata and ansible.
22:59 < sadbox> brrrb
23:00 < ScottAbraham> sadbox, unless you take snapshots
23:00 < ScottAbraham> i wouldn't trust solutions that claim to be "idempotent"
23:00 < ScottAbraham> computers are just too complex
23:00 < coderphive> You guys are ugly
23:01 < coderphive> but beautiful too
23:01 < Church-> They're stallions.
23:01 < coderphive> sadbox can you mansplain that? Idempotency is a real thing in automation.
23:02 < abakedapplepie> whew. nothing like finding a game breaking interface bug for your shiny new firewall when YOURE ABOUT TO DEPLOY IT TO LIVE IN HALF AN HOUR
23:02 < abakedapplepie> holy shit
23:02 <+NinjaStyle> .define idempotence
23:02 < abakedapplepie> these assholes
23:02 < Church-> abakedapplepie: lol fucking nice!
23:03 < coderphive> NinjaStyle being able to be run multiple times without adverse effects or changing state which doesn't need to be changed
23:03 < Church-> abakedapplepie: Could be worse, we went live yesterday. 12 hours before that we accidentally broke prod upgrading a piece of infra.
23:03 < ihre> it also depends on the use case, cloud-init + bare metal = no go (iirc, although you could probably provide a cloud-init template through kickstart/preseed as well?), so in that case just plain old pxe/tftp/kickstart is fine, but for a vm on top, either cloud-init or packer, or mix it up :p
23:03 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: ah good explanation thanks
23:03 < coderphive> ihre PXE is immutability, not idempotency
23:04 < coderphive> and cloud-init is not idempotent. It runs once.
23:04 < coderphive> Two very distinctly different topics
23:04 <+NinjaStyle> kinda of the premise in like config management where the system only changes things which are uncompliant?
23:04 < ihre> coderphive: it doesnt run once .. some modules do, but i wasnt talking about idempotency or immutability, just a continuation of the previous topic
23:04 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: ?
23:05 < coderphive> I missed that, sorry ihre
23:05 < Heresiarch> NinjaStyle: yes
23:05 < coderphive> NinjaStyle Yes, config management depends on idempotency
23:05 <+NinjaStyle> cool cool, new word for me
23:05 < coderphive> It has severe limits though
23:05 < coderphive> Config Management can only be aware of what you tell it to be aware of.
23:06 < abakedapplepie> "Noted, looks like a bug"
23:06 <+NinjaStyle> right
23:06 < abakedapplepie> thanks guys
23:06 < coderphive> Hence, the much harder but worthwhile alternative is immutable infrastructure
23:06 < abakedapplepie> now i have to wipe my mail policies and make them again in order of execution
23:06 < Heresiarch> ...oh lawd. We're about to get evangelized on immutab--there it is!
23:06 < abakedapplepie> ugh
23:06 < innmalint> I can't seem to get Google to spit out the right answer for me on this; so if I know the lastlogondate of a PC on my domain, and I want to find a user that logged in at that same time, how can I go about that?
23:06 < coderphive> Some things can't be immutable though
23:06 < innmalint> it seems the event viewer on my DC only goes back 1 day.
23:07 < coderphive> Heresiarch it's not evangelizing... it's just how to write automation
23:07 < abakedapplepie> innmalint: you can get lastlogontime of all users
23:07 < abakedapplepie> and then cross reference
23:07 < innmalint> abakedapplepie: this was a week ago so i'm sure the user has logged in since :/
23:07 < abakedapplepie> using powrshell
23:07 < abakedapplepie> it doesnt matter if its not in your event viewer
23:07 < abakedapplepie> its still in the directory object
23:08 < coderphive> Heresiarch I would understand the negativity if you're one of those people that hates automation though
23:08 < coderphive> or relegates automation to bash, perl, or TCL
23:08 < coderphive>  /s
23:08 < Heresiarch> coderphive: do I look like rkeene to you?
23:08 < coderphive> maybe
23:08 < coderphive> #rip
23:08 < Church-> lolololololol
23:09 <+NinjaStyle> rkeene is a legit dude
23:09 < grumplestiltzkin> batch files are all the automation you need, sillypants
23:09 < Church-> I love the guy but it seems like TCL time is all the time.
23:09 < Heresiarch> Disco is dead. And so is TCL.
23:09 < Church-> Which fair enough, dudes got a favorite language.
23:09 < Church-> I mean I use Rust for tons of stuff.
23:09 <+NinjaStyle> im surprised no really good open source products have been built around powershell DSC
23:09 <+NinjaStyle> at least not that i am ware of
23:09 < Church-> Heresiarch: Naw, Disco is here to stay.
23:09  * Church- untzs and jives.
23:10 < coderphive> I've honestly not seen a lot of good windows automation
23:10 < Heresiarch> NinjaStyle: most of the major CMs have modules for DSC. Aside from that, there's still a lot of confusion in MS-land about what DSC is for.
23:10 <+NinjaStyle> Church-: dont forget to shimmy
23:10  * Church- jukes and jives on your Turkey ass.
23:10 < ihre> .yt odb shimmy
23:10 <+layer-eight> YouTube Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya   [Explicit] - https://youtu.be/h2zgB93KANE
23:10 <+NinjaStyle> Heresiarch: i think the purpose isnt the problem, but the actual implementation of DSC in practice is clunky
23:10 < Heresiarch> coderphive: let's just say I'd prefer to not get into a debate about phoenix vs immutable. :)
23:10 <@cryptic1> :/
23:11 < grumplestiltzkin> Church-: I'll watch you 'ne-ne', but not 'whip'
23:11 < Heresiarch> NinjaStyle: that too. Adds to the confusion.
23:11 < coderphive> Heresiarch idk what phoenix is
23:11 <+NinjaStyle> Heresiarch: i think someone could make a tool around it to simplify deployment
23:12 < ihre> i've seen that word 'used' as a new thing in a talk yesterday :\ 'so devops'
23:12 < Heresiarch> NinjaStyle: they have. It's called Puppet. Or Chef. Or Ansible. Or Salt. Or Octopus.
23:12 <+NinjaStyle> Heresiarch: nah
23:12 < Heresiarch> coderphive: https://martinfowler.com/bliki/PhoenixServer.html
23:13 < Church-> grumplestiltzkin: Eww
23:13 <+NinjaStyle> Heresiarch: i mean something with DSC as its core
23:13 < Heresiarch> NinjaStyle: just saying. All of those products have varying levels of support for DSC, and use DSC manifests in the backend.
23:13 < innmalint> abakedapplepie: the lastlogontime for the PC will probably be different than the lastlogontime for the user; we think they lost a laptop but have used their desktop since then
23:13 < innmalint> sorry for the delayed response
23:13 < abakedapplepie> ohhh.
23:14 < admiralspark> grumplestiltzkin: oo watch me watch me!
23:14 < coderphive> Heresiarch I already mentioned that both have their place and immutable doesn't fit every use case.
23:14 < abakedapplepie> well. yeah that kinda sucks
23:14 < abakedapplepie> heh
23:14 < coderphive> Heresiarch that's pretty apparent if you think about immutability for all of five minutes
23:14 < innmalint> thanks either way :) i didn't think it was feasible.
23:14 < coderphive> Heresiarch IE a lot of db servers
23:15 < Heresiarch> coderphive: mmhm. But everyone I've run into who's gotten into immutable has declared it the Last Word in Configuration.
23:15 < ihre> Heresiarch: btw, if you already have aws infra and want to test a bit w/ terraform, check out https://github.com/dtan4/terraforming
23:15 < ihre> spits out tf code for existing resources
23:15 < ihre> might be handy to get started
23:16 < Heresiarch> ihre: oho. Nice. Thanks!
23:16 < coderphive> Heresiarch it's possible to make it work, but it's a lot more effort
23:16 < coderphive> Not enough gain imo
23:16 < admiralspark> coderphive Heresiarch at what point would you not be going for a 'phoenix server' using any of the automation tools? Isn't that the point, one-click spinups?
23:17 < coderphive> admiralspark well, what he's talking about is servers that are inherently stateful like database servers
23:17 < admiralspark> All of my tooling is set so that it build everything on top of a base image
23:17 < admiralspark> oh
23:17 < admiralspark> ohhhh
23:17 < admiralspark> yeah, I've been having a hard time with what to do with those
23:17 < coderphive> It's better to snowflake those with something like Ansible or Chef
23:17 < Heresiarch> coderphive: I'd advocate for phoenix even in stateless, but fair enough.
23:17 < admiralspark> using playbooks for it rn
23:17 < coderphive> Honestly critical stuff like that I tend to put on desolate islands anyway
23:18 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: wouldnt that be fine as long you have clustering?
23:18 <+NinjaStyle> like spin up fresh, add to cluster, boom
23:18 < coderphive> NinjaStyle DB clustering tends to be shakey
23:18 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: part of it is simply a workflow difference. Do you start from a base and build it, or build it, freeze it, and deploy it?
23:18 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: in what way?
23:18 < coderphive> Like even in Mongo or Elastic, the shards have to rebuild
23:19 < coderphive> In clustered SQL you still have a single write entity
23:19 < coderphive> So while you could accomplish that with your reads, you'd want your write to be handled with somewhat care
23:19 < Church-> So learning ansible, it's... okay.
23:19 < Church-> I prefer salt stack, but eh. I can dig it I guess.
23:20 < ihre> admiralspark: automation isnt just one-click spinups, ie, you could use lambda to handle updates on instances, or kick of puppet apply's if you dont use the agent :^)
23:20 < ihre> not saying you should, but meh
23:20 < coderphive> Salt is good for datacenters
23:20 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: well if youre redeploying sql you would likely swap the active db server over to the other one
23:20 <+NinjaStyle> and then the rebuilt one would be replicated and be a hot standby right?
23:20 < coderphive> NinjaStyle Right, it'd be better to do an entire cluster replacement
23:21 < coderphive> The problem is that it's not sustainable if you're pushing updates all the time, which a lot of immutable infra gets put on timers (aka chaos engineering)
23:21 < coderphive> There _are_ ways around that. It's not impossible by any means, but you need some talented engineers.
23:22 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: base, then build
23:22 < admiralspark> but most of my stuff that's built 'new' that utilizes a DB would still need to restore a copy of the db from backup if it all went kaput
23:22 < admiralspark> so there's still manual intervention
23:22 < coderphive> NinjaStyle The example that I always give is the variations of 9's in availability. Sure, we can get to 99.999%, but at what cost?
23:23 < admiralspark> coderphive: is cost even a concern when you can brag five 9's?
23:23 < admiralspark> :P
23:23 < coderphive> Yes :P
23:23 < coderphive> Cost is always a relative quest in RE
23:23 < admiralspark> but *five 9's*
23:23 < coderphive> kek
23:23 < coderphive> said most executives ever
23:23 < admiralspark> our ISP won't give us better than three right now, said they couldn't guarantee four monthly
23:23 < coderphive> til they get a $30k bill for DB's
23:24 <+NinjaStyle> of course, its a matter of priorities, but in the case of HA
23:24 < coderphive> admiralspark Honestly you wouldn't know the difference between 3 and 4 most times
23:24 < admiralspark> nah man just use that cloud hyperconverged SDWAN
23:24 < Heresiarch> aaaaand off to fight the traffic. Thanks for the debate folks :)
23:24 < admiralspark> coderphive: if it happens after hours, I couldn't care less
23:24 < grumplestiltzkin> All the uptme SLA in the world gets you is a service credit if they go down.   No SLA ever says they will recoup lost revenue, or potential lost revenue
23:24 < admiralspark> but they schedule midday maintenance
23:24 < admiralspark> haha
23:24 < admiralspark> truth
23:25 < admiralspark> our backup plan was a second ISP which we should've done in the first place
23:25 < coderphive> Honestly in a theoretical sense, once you get to 4, it's kind of outlandish to even try anymore
23:25 < coderphive> There's so many things out of your control at that point
23:25 < Stoob> yeah no amount of 9s actually gets you a true guarantee that your service is going to stay up
23:25 < coderphive> Userland DNS, BGP peer availability, etc
23:26 < ihre> that one retarded co-worker ;p
23:26 < coderphive> That's why designing SLA's, SLO's, and SLI's with pointed metrics is always best
23:26 < Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, some SLAs include specific remedial actions the vendor MUST take or they face penalties resulting in payouts, etc
23:26 < Hunterkll> like, wheels must roll in X time, etc
23:27 < coderphive> My company offers a reimbursable SLA backed by an insurance policy
23:27 < coderphive> I think RedHat does the same
23:27 < coderphive> probably Oracle too
23:27 < coderphive> brb
23:29 < coderphive> ours are performance SLA's though
23:29 < grumplestiltzkin> Hunterkll: I haven't seen any like that. with those, is the possiblle payout even remotely enough to cover possible lost revenue (or the bad publicity from your 'whatever' being unavailable
23:29 < coderphive> like, if we don't pay for ourselves within the first year you get your money back
23:30 < coderphive> grumplestiltzkin yes, I know RedHat pays for policies that do exactly that
23:30 < admiralspark> So, this story happened before I worked here. There's two ISP's in our state, and one of them has their final router/demarc in our server room before it hits under-sea cables out to the west coast. That server room also held a matching cisco router for the school district for this region. Well...new network tech for the SD, charged with swapping out their old router, went into the room....pull the
23:30 < admiralspark> ISP's router (yes, it was clearly labeled and in it's own rack), the entire state lost one of it's primary pipes to the rest of the world and the failover circuits had nowhere near enough capacity and shaping to handle the influx, so they overloaded and died. Outage lasted a whole day because the tech didn't know it had happened until he returned into cell service after driving 90 miles back to the
23:30 < admiralspark> head end office.
23:30 < admiralspark> One of those...."and it was at that moment that he knew he fucked up"
23:31 < coderphive> lmao
23:31 < grumplestiltzkin> admiralspark: I almost got a chill on the back on my neck reading that
23:31 < coderphive> That's like, the life of a network engineer
23:32 < admiralspark> got reminded of it the other day because I was in that room, saw the router, and almost bumped into the rack with that bundle of fiber running to it...probably wouldn't cause it any harm but I nearly shat myself still
23:32 < admiralspark> yep
23:32 < coderphive> I've knocked entire BGP AS' offline doing some traffic shaping
23:32 < admiralspark> Worst I've done was take a municipality down but that came back quick when I "kindly reverted"
23:32 < admiralspark> haha, nice!
23:33 < coderphive> That whole world is coming tumbling down though, imo
23:33 < coderphive> SDN is taking over
23:33 < Church-> Christ, nice one coderphive
23:33 < Church-> SDN?
23:33 < coderphive> software defined networking
23:34 < Church-> Ah.
23:34 < coderphive> you'll still need network engineering knowledge, but the practice of it will be nothing like we know today
23:36 < TheTinker86> is there a way to force a pc to bypass local desktop/use and only login to a remote system for terminal services?
23:36 < admiralspark> coderphive: Network Collective had an interesting take on it. SDN doesn't get rid of the complexity, it just removes the human screw-up element from it. You still need to know the underlying tech so you can tshoot when it all comes burning down
23:37 < admiralspark> TheTinker86: you mean VDI?
23:37 < coderphive> Yeap, that's true
23:37 < coderphive> Basically what I said though
23:37 < TheTinker86> vdi? virtual desktop something?
23:37 < admiralspark> infra
23:37 < admiralspark> virtual desktop infrastructure
23:38 < TheTinker86> maybe? i'll look into it
23:38 < admiralspark> thin local client and you log on to an RDS box or something for your "workstation" at the lowest levels
23:39 < TheTinker86> yeah
23:39 < Church-> coderphive: Damnit, now I have more crap to look into. This is interesting.
23:40 < sadbox> coderphive: I'm back!
23:40 < coderphive> Automation is your friend
23:40 < sadbox> coderphive: anyhow, shit breaks in weird ways
23:40 < coderphive> opens a lot of doors for knowledge expansion anyway
23:40 < sadbox> re: idempotency as provided by chef/yum/etc
23:41 < TheTinker86> the furniture store i do work for, they have need for systems on the showroom floor to make sales or check inventory. everything important already goes through terminal services. if i can force them to completely bypass the local system i can force them to use unique domain logins to help with security
23:41 < coderphive> idempotency is not provided by anything sadbox
23:41 < coderphive> you have to be mindful of it
23:41 < coderphive> Which comes via checks, etc
23:42 < sadbox> coderphive: I mean, I know that
23:42 < coderphive> Keep working at it. It'll click one day.
23:42 < coderphive> I moved away from config management in most of my fleet because of snowflakes.
23:42 < Church-> Wait was the automation comment towards me?
23:43 < sadbox> coderphive: what?
23:43 < Hunterkll> https://thinkprogress.org/male-gop-senators-sexual-harassment-settlements-bb4b9d61102e/
23:43 < Hunterkll> lol
23:44 < coderphive> Config Management doesn't actually maintain consistent state in totality, just on the things you tell it to
23:44 < sadbox> coderphive: maybe I should start with: what do you think that I'm trying to say?
23:44 < coderphive> I wanted something more like immutable infra for most of my stack. Certain parts are managed by config management.
23:44 < sadbox> Because I feel likely you're agreeing with me
23:44 < sadbox> like you're**
23:44 < coderphive> I am
23:44 < Bru-> anyone use buttlocker with PINs?
23:45 < coderphive> Hunterkll heh wow
23:46 < sadbox> coderphive: I was just confused by your "Idempotency is a real thing in automation" statement
23:46 < coderphive> Oh, it seemed like you were scoffing that idempotency is effective
23:46 < coderphive> I could be wrong though
23:46 <+DomLS3> s/locker/plugs
23:46 <+layer-eight> Bru- meant: "anyone use buttplugs with PINs?"
23:46 < Bru-> haha
23:47 < sadbox> coderphive: Relative to golden images / immutable infra, I think that relying on chef/whatever to manage stuff gives you less consistent outputs
23:47 < sadbox> is what I was saying
23:47 < coderphive> Not always
23:47 < coderphive> Again, like I said earlier, it depends on effort
23:48 < coderphive> I have DB servers that are maintained by Chef that are perfect, but I put a ton of time into coding them so all my edge cases were met
23:48 < xe0n> morning
23:50 < sadbox> coderphive: nothing is perfect, you never cover every edge case
23:51 < L3gacy> xe0n, hai!
23:51 < sadbox> just as an in general statement
23:51 < sadbox> chef is prolly still better than a container or something for a db server
23:51 < sadbox> mostly because they tend to be more like... cared for? noticed when shit breaks?
23:55 < admiralspark> Bru-: use case for not having it AD-integrated?
23:56 < admiralspark> I did pins for about a month at a previous place, went AD and never looked back
23:57 < admiralspark> oh
23:57 < admiralspark> we used a key as well though
23:57 < admiralspark> so AD-integrated + keys
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