--- Log opened Sat Apr 21 00:00:52 2018
00:01 < FourLoco> LMAO
00:01 < FourLoco> no one has ever registered this nic
00:01 < FourLoco> PARTY!!!
00:01 < TheTinker86> i can ping the unifi AP on the .2.* network, but the install of the unifi software sees the AP as disconnected
00:02 < abakedapplepie> TheTinker86: did you set the inform url on your APs
00:02 < ihre> set inform url
00:03 < abakedapplepie> TheTinker86: unifi uses multicast for finding unadopted APs, and that doesnt go over the vpn, so you have to manually adopt it by SSHing to the device and setting the inform URL
00:03 < TheTinker86> ok. thanks. i'll pull that info
00:04 < br34k> didn't know you could do that, very good to know
00:05 < estranger> TinkerPop!
00:05 < abakedapplepie> br34k: you can also use dhcp option 43, which i just learned
00:05 < AnimalFarmPig> Gremlin!
00:05 < TheTinker86> whats dhcp option 43?
00:05 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: what a goofy name.. TinkerPop
00:05 < AnimalFarmPig> hard to take it seriously
00:05 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, dude +1 for knowing wtf it even is
00:06 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, i know the guy who wrote it, hes... unique... but smart as fuck
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> graph databases are new meme
00:06 < TheTinker86> whats a tinkerpop?
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> nice
00:06 < br34k> option 43:
00:06 < br34k> This option is used by clients and servers to exchange vendor-specific information.
00:06 < br34k> Servers that are not equipped to interpret the information ignore it. Clients that expect but don't receive the information attempt to operate without it.
00:06 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, we have the best graph db ;)
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> :P
00:06 < estranger> TheTinker86, tinkerpop is a graph database framework
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> oh shit, it's after 5 and I'm still at work on a Friday
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> piece out
00:06 < estranger> tinkerpop gremlin is the traversal language, the "sql" of the graph world
00:06 < estranger> later dude
00:07 < br34k> 43 is "AP Identifier"
00:08 < estranger> i think every graph player now supports gremlin/tinkerpop... neo4j, datastax, cosmo, neptune, titan, janus
00:08  * deww nods sagely
00:08 < abakedapplepie> br34k: https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/204909754-UniFi-Device-Adoption-Methods-for-Remote-UniFi-Controllers#DHCP
00:09 < ihre> just when i thought i had most of the components working together for kube on aws, wanted to connect it to gitlab pipelines/autodevops ... the latter doesnt support rbac
00:10 < ihre> ffs
00:10 < ihre> i really need to check docs before diving into something ><
00:10 < estranger> lol
00:10 < czarbomba> 420blazeit?
00:10 < ihre> 420noscope
00:11 < estranger> fire it up
00:11 < czarbomba> 420deaglesonly
00:11 < estranger> soldat it up
00:12 < ihre> cs_deagle5 was sweet
00:15 < TheTinker86> all of the info pages im finding on setting the Inform, looks like it asks for a factory reset to make it work. is that for sure?
00:15 < abakedapplepie> probably to avoid any issues if the unit has already been adopted before
00:16 < abakedapplepie> if its a brand new unit out of the box i wouldnt worry about it
00:16 < abakedapplepie> but if its a newer unit, there are reset buttons on the POE injectors so you dont have to go take it down off its mount
00:16 < TheTinker86> it was brand new. i only set the SSID and password before i left the location
00:16 < abakedapplepie> if you wanted to
00:16 < abakedapplepie> oh so its already been adopted
00:16 < TheTinker86> im not at that location currently. i had used my laptop as controller to set it up
00:16 < abakedapplepie> then i would reset it
00:17 < abakedapplepie> so, i take it then that you set it up while your laptop had a local subnet ip
00:17 < TheTinker86> but now that it looks like we're going to use the unifi devices at several locations, i want to connect to the server instead
00:17 < abakedapplepie> and now your laptop has a different ip
00:17 < abakedapplepie> the AP doesnt know that your IP changed
00:17 < TheTinker86> yeah
00:17 < abakedapplepie> the proper thing is to wipe the APs, set up the controller on a proper device, then adopt
00:18 < abakedapplepie> and by adopt, i mean in your case youll have to set the inform url manually
00:19 < ihre> just set a static lease for the aps, factory reset, ssh in w/ ubnt/ubnt and set-inform url :3
00:20 < TheTinker86> static lease via router to mac address?
00:20 < abakedapplepie> sure
00:20 < ihre> on your dhcp server
00:20 < TheTinker86> router is dhcp currently
00:20 < ihre> and if that runs on your router, then you need to set that on your router, yes :p
00:20 < TheTinker86> thanks
00:21 < abakedapplepie> its not necessary but might be easier than looking at your dhcp leases an guessing which device is which
00:21 < TheTinker86> i feel ya
00:21 < abakedapplepie> man
00:21 < abakedapplepie> what a sad 4/20
00:21 < abakedapplepie> i have enough scraps for half a bowl
00:22 < TheTinker86> thanks for the info guys. i gotta go deal with the AC in my wifes car bbl!
00:23 < abakedapplepie> good luck
00:24 < ry> do any of you guys have experience with the Quanta LB4M?
00:25 < abakedapplepie> wassat
00:26 < Four20> i love licking nigger pussy
00:26 < Four20> so sexy
00:26 < ry> I'm currently running the FASTPATH Routing 5.13.12.14 fw on the Quanta LB4M and putting aside me not having a reliable doc for a config reference, I can't seem to figure out how to configure a range of interfaces
00:27 < ry> interface range, interface 0/1-0/4, interface 0/1,0/4 -- nothing seems to be valid
00:29 < abakedapplepie> ry unfortunately i have no idea what that is, and this is probably the worst possible time to ask for help in this room lol
00:29 < xamithan> interface range 0/1, ,0/47
00:29 < xamithan> interface range 0/1, 0/47 rather
00:29 < abakedapplepie> after quitting time on a friday that happens to be a stoner holiday
00:30 < ry> so, as soon as i enter the comma, i get an error
00:30 <+DrGibby|> thought int range was `int range 0/1-0/47`
00:31 < xamithan> It is on ciscos
00:31 < ry> (Config)#interface 0/1,
00:31 < ry> An invalid interface has been used for this command.
00:31 < ry> same for a -, or a space, or the word 'range'
00:31 <+DrGibby|> does `int range ?` come up with stuff?
00:32 < ry> (Config)#interface ?
00:32 < ry> <slot/port>              Enter an interface in slot/port format.
00:32 < ry> loopback                 Configuration of Loopback Interface.
00:32 < ry> putting range on the line gives the error shown above
00:32 <+DrGibby|> you dont have the range command
00:32 < xamithan> Is there newer firmware ?
00:32 <+DrGibby|> what version of IOS is it?
00:32 <+DrGibby|> also, model of switch
00:32 < ry> I wish this was IOS lol -- this is a Quanta LB4M running FASTPATH Routing 5.13.12.14
00:32 <+DrGibby|> oh
00:33 <+DrGibby|> well fuck me, you'll have to gewgal it
00:33 <+DrGibby|> i see you posted that earlier, thats my bad
00:33 < ry> at this rate I might have to downgrade the firmware or something, none of the docs I've found are correct for this FW version
00:34 < ry> i bought this because it seemed like the best bang for the buck -- low power, 48p, 10gb uplinks, layer3 capabilities
00:34 < xamithan> Can't you run something else on it,  like quagga ?
00:34 <+DrGibby|> do you absolutely need the range command?
00:34 < ry> I have to configure 48 ports, so yeah I could live without it but it would be a real pain in the ass
00:35 < ihre> ssh for loop :^)
00:35 < ry> the range command or some way to configure multiple interfaces at the same time seems like a pretty fundamental feature
00:35 < ry> i didn't consider that lol
00:35 <+DrGibby|> ry its relatively new ;)
00:35 < xamithan> Automate your networksss
00:35 < ry> but damn, needing to use 'expect' or something just to configure a switch would be nuts
00:35 <+DrGibby|> I mean, a lot of catalysts didn't have it for a long time
00:37 <+DrGibby|> that said, I usually config'd it in a notepad doc first then just pasted the switchport config
00:38 < ry> thats not a bad idea either
00:40 <+DrGibby|> I have some occasionally
00:41 < ry> thanks for the help -- i'm going to switch to the layer2 firmware and see if my life is a bit easier
00:41 < ry> lets hope I don't need to use your idea lol
00:41 < Gencade> DrGibby|, I love you
00:41 < Gencade> but also fuck you
00:41 <+DrGibby|> ...
00:41 <+DrGibby|> k
00:47 < czarbomba> aww did i miss an edgelord teenager
00:47 < Gencade> czarbomba, yes
00:48 <+DrGibby|> huh?
00:49 <+DrGibby|> oh four20
00:50 < czarbomba> yeah he dropped an n-bomb, quit immediately, and probably spent the next 20 minutes giggling madly over his keyboard with one hand shoved down his boxers
00:50 < czarbomba> then mom came home and yelled at him for disabling the parental controls on the internet again
00:50 < czarbomba> it's the ciiiiircle of doooork
00:52 <+DrGibby|> something about tendies too
00:52 <+DrGibby|> and 'normies'
00:53 < Gencade> DrGibby|, muh tendies
01:08 < czarbomba> https://local.theonion.com/family-sadly-marks-first-4-20-without-grandmother-1819579854?
01:09 < czarbomba> “You’d always know 4/20 was finally here when you’d hear Piper At The Gates Of Dawn playing on her old record player and smell the mile-high blondies she’d gotten up extra early to make. It’s not going to feel the same sitting around the hookah as a family without her half passed out on the couch.”
01:14  * MillerBOSS queues up Weeds
01:16 <+TuxedoJack> Tomorrow's my 34th birthday, and I think I just got the best present I could have gotten. My better half and I were out for a walk, and we ran into a stray cat that came over to us and wanted some attention. Sure enough, it was a cat that's been on posters around the neighborhood as missing
01:16 <+TuxedoJack> It darted away due to a nearby dog, but we got ahold of the guy who put the posters up and he's headed over now to go find and snag her
01:18 <+TuxedoJack> Said it was definitely her, too - we gave him details that weren't on the poster
01:19 < estranger> daww
01:20 < estranger> what, avicii died?
01:21 <+MillerBOSS> Yes
01:21 < estranger> bummer
01:21 < czarbomba> swedish EDM DJ dies, twitter breaks. hillary duff dies and it's radio fucking silence.
01:21 < czarbomba> the fuck is wrong with the internet.
01:21 <+DrGibby|> hillary duff died?
01:22 < czarbomba> #RIPduffer
01:22 < estranger> didnt she die like 3 times?
01:22 <+DrGibby|> oh
01:22 <+TuxedoJack> She's not QUITE dead yet
01:22 <+TuxedoJack> She's getting better
01:22 <+CheckYourSix> Drugs?
01:23 < czarbomba> falling piano
01:23 < czarbomba> tragic stuff
01:24 <+MillerBOSS> Thats killing all the Super Troopers thunder
01:24 < czarbomba> not so much thunder. more of a fog, really
01:24  * czarbomba coughs
01:24 <+DrGibby|> ayyyyy
01:24 <+DrGibby|> I got that joke
01:24 <+MillerBOSS> What joke
01:24  * MillerBOSS rolls eyes
01:24 <+DrGibby|> your face
01:25 < czarbomba> ayyyyy
01:25 <+DrGibby|> ayyyyyyy
01:25 <+MillerBOSS> what
01:25 < czarbomba> WHAT
01:25 <+DrGibby|> U G L Y U AINT GOT NO ALIBI
01:25 <+DrGibby|> YOU UGLY
01:25 < czarbomba> YOU UGLY
01:25  * DrGibby| giggles
01:25 <+TuxedoJack> Mmm. Frozen unsweet tea
01:25 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck sweet tea, that's shit
01:26 < czarbomba> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcjV8UzSoY
01:26 <+layer-eight> YouTube Ugly by 2015-02-02T15:48:32.000Z (duration: 2:52) on Mon Feb 02 22:48:32 UTC 2015, 2015-02-02T15:48:32.000Z views
01:26 <+MillerBOSS> I am surprised there isn't a CAM yet
01:27 < czarbomba> probably is on private trackers somewhere
01:27 < czarbomba> i cant' do cams/ts rips
01:27 < czarbomba> it just makes me angry
01:27 < czarbomba> and when they have like hardcoded korean subs i can't stop looking at them
01:27 <+MillerBOSS> My first CAM was The Matrix
01:27 < czarbomba> 420getblazed midnight showing faget
01:28 < czarbomba> i'm gonna put on ST1 at around 9pm
01:28 < czarbomba> tuxedojack you are correct
01:28 < czarbomba> sweet tea is an abomination
01:29 < czarbomba> people around here seem to agree. the local publix almost never has the gallons of unsweetened iced tea but the shelves are often festooned with the sweetened one
01:29 < czarbomba> i have like half of a half-gallon left :(
01:29  * czarbomba needs another sun tea jar
01:30 <+DrGibby|> Just make more
01:30 < czarbomba> got no bags. i used to keep them in stock by the big box
01:30 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking southerners
01:30 < czarbomba> but then my sun tea jar broke (was destroyed)
01:30 <+TuxedoJack> They ruin everything
01:31 < czarbomba> it was so good. fill it up, throw in the bags, put it in the back. next day, mega amounts of tea
01:31 < czarbomba> lather, rinse, repeat
01:31 < czarbomba> i made some smaller batches using a jar i had but i need something bigger
01:31 <+DrGibby|> Well who's fault is that, czarbomba ?
01:31 <+DrGibby|> I always have a pitcher of tea ready to go
01:31 < czarbomba> my dead cat's
01:32 <+DrGibby|> Oh
01:32 <+DrGibby|> :(
01:32 < czarbomba> im usually good to go with the gallon jugs. but it was the perfect system to have the sun tea jar brewing erryday
01:33 <+DrGibby|> Mr coffee makes these iced tea makers that are great
01:33 < czarbomba> i don't know why the south decided to dump bags of sugar into pitchers of tea though
01:33 < czarbomba> what's wrong with a little lemon or honey
01:34 <+DrGibby|> Fresh gallon in like 10 mins
01:34 < czarbomba> i saw one of those in a dept. store
01:34 <+DrGibby|> Yeee
01:34 < czarbomba> almost bought on impulse but then wandered away from that particular area and never made my way back
01:34 <+DrGibby|> I use mine nearly daily
01:35 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: how'd it go?
01:35 <+DrGibby|> NinjaStyle: I'm not sure
01:35 <+NinjaStyle> I never heard from the recruiter
01:36 <+NinjaStyle> I saw him at lunch though
01:36 <+DrGibby|> I might be reading into it a bit but I've  definitely had better interviews
01:36 <+NinjaStyle> Well he isn't technical
01:36 <+NinjaStyle> Do don't worry about that
01:36 <+NinjaStyle> So*
01:36 <+DrGibby|> It wasn't about that so much
01:36 < czarbomba> hey there ninjastyle. is there a single massive cloud hanging over central colorado today
01:37 <+NinjaStyle> czarbomba: it's overcast from rain, but yes
01:37 <+NinjaStyle> 420
01:37 < czarbomba> mmm mari-rain-a
01:37 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: what happened?
01:37 <+DrGibby|> Til enough pot smoke can cause rain
01:37 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: I thought my screen went bad too
01:38 < czarbomba> that is so much better than the acid rain of the 80s
01:38 <+DrGibby|> NinjaStyle: I dunno how to describe it.like he was standoffish
01:38 < czarbomba> because that acid rain was NOT the kind of acid i had hoped
01:38 <+NinjaStyle> He can be weird
01:38 <+DrGibby|> Maybe thats it
01:38 <+NinjaStyle> He's cool though
01:39 <+DrGibby|> Regardless, I thought I bombed it
01:39 <+NinjaStyle> I've been snowboarding with him
01:39 < czarbomba> heh they're playing the john barron tape
01:39 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: I'm probably quitting Monday
01:39 <+NinjaStyle> Sadly
01:39 <+DrGibby|> Ha lol
01:39 <+DrGibby|> Of course
01:40 < czarbomba> guess the new offer was the hotness
01:40 <+DrGibby|> He kept asking me how I knew you
01:40 <+NinjaStyle> I got qn offer today and it's cray
01:40 <+DrGibby|> Nice!!
01:40 <+NinjaStyle> DrGibby|: I already told him it's through IRC
01:41 < L3gacy> How is everyone?
01:41 <+DrGibby|> That's interesting
01:41 <+DrGibby|> He also kept repeating incorrect information
01:42 <+NinjaStyle> Like what?
01:42 < czarbomba> l3gacy, cruising somewhere between the stratosphere and the ionosphere
01:42 < czarbomba> the houses are REAL tiny
01:42 < L3gacy> lol.  I just had a Big Mac
01:42 <+DrGibby|> Somehow he thought I said I wasn't willing to relocate, but I kept telling him that I'm flexible and ok with relocation
01:43 <+DrGibby|> And I kept reiterating that I'm pretty flexible on red teaming, although application sec isn't my strong point
01:43 <+NinjaStyle> He is pushing webapp hard right now
01:43 <+NinjaStyle> I told him you were ok with relo
01:43 <+DrGibby|> And he kept saying that they're only hiring people for webapp
01:44 <+NinjaStyle> Not fully true
01:44 <+DrGibby|> The whole interaction was just odd
01:48  * DrGibby| shrugs
01:49 <+MillerBOSS> Coins are on a nice up
01:51 <+DrGibby|> also, livepd tonight lads
01:52 <+MillerBOSS> L3gacy 👉 Did you add bacon?
01:52 < L3gacy> yus
01:52 <+MillerBOSS> Duh, MillerBOSS
01:54 <+MillerBOSS> Is this battlegrounds game any good?
01:57 < Gencade> Fortnite is better
01:57 < Gencade> pubg feels clunky as fuck
01:57 <+DrGibby|> for fortnite
01:57 < Gencade> also buggy
01:57 <+DrGibby|> fortnite is for 12 year olds
01:57 <+MillerBOSS> So one of the videos I repost from fox's website to youtube was endorsed explicitly on twitter. Interesting
01:57 < Gencade> Least their game works correctly
01:58 <+MillerBOSS> But are you sure?
01:58 <+DrGibby|> half the fun is the crazy fucking physics and bugs
01:58 < Gencade> For how serious it wants itself to be, it bugs out a shit ton more than any other game
01:58 <+DrGibby|> its hilarious, and part of the gameplay
01:59 <+DrGibby|> anyone playing SUPRSRS pubg can move to fortnite
01:59 <+DrGibby|> just sayin
01:59 < Gencade> its not a bug it's a feature
01:59 <+DrGibby|> DAMN RIGHT
02:00 < Gencade> Naw I've played both
02:00 < Gencade> fortnite plays completely different
02:00 <+MillerBOSS> OK so I should get battlegrounds then
02:00 <+MillerBOSS> Because Gencade is 12
02:00 <+MillerBOSS> And I am not
02:00 <+DrGibby|> I have more fun with pubg, MillerBOSS
02:00 < Gencade> You can baller at shooters all you want, if you get in a fight on fortnite, you better know how to build
02:00 <+MillerBOSS> I am 13 AND A HALF
02:00 <+DrGibby|> but I don't play like some of the people who might here
02:01 <+DrGibby|> also not a SPRSRS GAYMER
02:02 < czarbomba> lol
02:02 < Gencade> What gibby is saying is he is a shitter
02:02 < czarbomba> bitcoin drops from over 20k to 6k in a matter of months: utter silence
02:02 < czarbomba> bitcoin "rebounds" to 8k after a couple weeks: EFFUSIVE PRAISE BITCOIN IS FOREVER YAY
02:02 <+MillerBOSS> lol czarbomba
02:02 < czarbomba> fucking bubblemonkeys
02:02 < admiralspark> Man, how do you guys handle it when some users decide to email the whole company that theyre on vacation? Considering the user is a Director and his two underlings.
02:03 < czarbomba> grin and bear it
02:03 < admiralspark> I can't see any policy I make coming off as anything but petty
02:03 < czarbomba> a.k.a. bend over and spread 'em
02:03 < Gencade> Sounds like a solid plan to me
02:03 < czarbomba> my general rule of thumb regarding new IT policies in response to stuff like that is: if the user who fucked up can fire me, no policy gets made
02:04 < xe0n> morning
02:06 < madvillain> Just wait until another user responds to everyone "Have fun!"
02:07 < Alternity> so just redid one of our offices patch panels
02:07 < Alternity> and the new switches we ordered are too deep to fit the rack
02:07 < Alternity> fml
02:08 < Gencade> also im not 12
02:08 < Gencade> ;)
02:08 < Gencade> im legal
02:08 < xe0n> loll
02:19 < m4221> Hello, is there anyone in IT??
02:19 < m4221> ????!?!?!
02:19 < JollyRgrs> m4221: no, just us sysadmins
02:19 < m4221> JollyRgrs: my laptop's broke
02:20 < JollyRgrs> m4221: pls call helpdesk at ##UMOMS
02:20 <+CheckYourSix> Blah, my Plex server is apparently being slow as shit for other people and buffering a lot, but there's no load on it. Even on direct play it pauses and buffers
02:20 < admiralspark> CheckYourSix: reboot
02:20 < m4221> CheckYourSix: tase it
02:20 <+CheckYourSix> admiralspark: Tried that a couple times
02:21 <+DrGibby|> CheckYourSix: reinstall windows
02:21 <+CheckYourSix> DrGibby|: Rofl
02:22 < admiralspark> CheckYourSix: uhhh. What OS underneath
02:23 <+CheckYourSix> CentOS 7. It was running fine for a long time and all of a sudden it started acting up
02:23 <+DrGibby|> h/top doesn't show anything strange?
02:23 <+CheckYourSix> It's idling
02:24 <+CheckYourSix> 570 MB RAM used... it has 4 GB assigned. CPUs are literally doing nothing. The media was direct streaming and still having issues
02:24 <+CheckYourSix> That's why I'm scartching my head
02:25 <+DrGibby|> you should scratch your nuts instead
02:25 < Gencade> that's gross DrGibby| grow up
02:26  * m4221 pegs Gencade 
02:26 < Gencade> ew
02:26 < m4221> Gencade: respect your elders
02:26 < Gencade> ok
02:26  * m4221 tases Gencade 
02:27 < Gencade> rude
02:27 < Gencade> child abuse
02:27  * m4221 pegs Gencade 
02:27 < Gencade> double child abuse
02:27 < Gencade> you gon get it now
02:27 < admiralspark> CheckYourSix: network switch?
02:27  * m4221 tases Gencade for disrespecting gibby
02:27 < admiralspark> Utilization? Wireless?
02:27 <+CheckYourSix> admiralspark: It's a VM, all hard wired
02:27 < Gencade> DrGibby|, is 13 tho
02:29 < m4221> cryptic1:
02:29 < m4221> Gencade: want spam?
02:29 < Gencade> the food?
02:30 < m4221> Gencade: no, mail
02:30 < Gencade> oh no thanks I get enough already
02:30 < m4221> Gencade:
02:30 < m4221> Gencade:
02:31 <+DrGibby|> Gencade: u wot m8
02:31 < Gencade> I wot m8
02:32 < m4221> DrGibby|: Gencade pegged me
02:32 <+DrGibby|> i swear on me mum
02:32 < Gencade> me too
02:32 < Gencade> I blame millenials
02:32 <+DrGibby|> Gencade: you're a millenial
02:32 < Gencade> not technically
02:32 < admiralspark> CheckYourSix: weird :(
02:32 < m4221> DrGibby| is just an asshole
02:32 < Gencade> was born in 96
02:32 < JollyRgrs> Gencade: so you're even worse?
02:33 <+DrGibby|> jesus fuck
02:33 < JollyRgrs> what is the born ages for millenials?
02:33 < Gencade> JollyRgrs, housing market
02:33 <+CheckYourSix> JollyRgrs: I think like 1980-2000 is the Gen Y era
02:33 < Gencade> we've talked bout this before
02:34 <+DrGibby|> demographers and researchers typically use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years.
02:34 <+DrGibby|> re/ Millennials
02:34 < Gencade> Damn I thought I saw on wikipedia that millenials end at 95
02:34 <+DrGibby|> just pulled that from wikipedia
02:34 < Gencade> Millennials, also known as Generation Y,[33] are the cohort of people following Generation X. There are no precise dates for when this cohort starts or ends; demographers and researchers typically use the early 1970s as starting birth years and the mid 1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years. According to Pew Research, as of April 2016 the Millennials surpassed the Baby Boomers in size in the U.S., with 76 million Boomers and
02:34 < Gencade> 77 million Millennials.[34]
02:34 < Gencade> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation
02:35 <+DrGibby|> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials
02:35 < Gencade> mines better
02:35 <+DrGibby|> uh huh
02:35 <+DrGibby|> something a millennial would say
02:35 < Gencade> housing market
02:35 < Gencade> reee
02:35 <+CheckYourSix> What are the chances that NFS or something related is causing my issue? I rebooted Plex, NFS mount didn't automatically mount. I did mount -a, it took like 30 seconds... not sure WTF is going on
02:36 < Gencade> im gonna go take a nap
02:37 <+MillerBOSS> Hey Gencade
02:37 <+MillerBOSS> Why don't you go and take a fucking nap there hey
02:37 <+DrGibby|> ay
02:38 < madvillain> CheckYourSix: that could have something to do with it, your NFS and Plex on the same internal network right?
02:39 <+CheckYourSix> madvillain: Yeah. Same subnet. Plex is a VM on ESXi host, NFS share comes from FreeNAS server (physical box)
02:39 <+MillerBOSS> Any Apple Watch users?
02:39 <+MillerBOSS> Is it worth having?
02:41 < JollyRgrs> that's how my plex is, too
02:41 < JollyRgrs> i really wish that NFS would notify plex when a file changes/gets added
02:41 < madvillain> CheckYourSix: Yea I have my Plex running on a FreeNas jail,  whats the cpu usage on the FreeNas box?
02:41 <+CheckYourSix> madvillain: Nothing.
02:42 < mkillebrew> the awful nginx hack I did keeps getting more hacky to make things work. It makes me feel dirty.
02:42 <+DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: I dont have an iWatch, but I do have a motorola for my android phone and I fucking love it
02:42 <+CheckYourSix> JollyRgrs: I have Sonarr/Radarr set up to automatically nothify Plex
02:42 < madvillain> MillerBOSS: I have one its really nice if you get the LTE version. Running with no phone is sooooo nice
02:42 <+MillerBOSS> What do you use it for DrGibby|?
02:42 <+MillerBOSS> madvillain 👉 Apple Music too?
02:42 <+DrGibby|> fucking everything
02:42 < Sousapro> s/the awful nginx hack I did keeps getting more hacky to make things work. It/nginx
02:42 <+layer-eight> mkillebrew meant: "nginx makes me feel dirty."
02:43 < madvillain> CheckYourSix: maybe restart the NFS service?
02:43 <+DrGibby|> other than having a watch, that is
02:43 < mkillebrew> no way, nginx is pretty good
02:43 < Sousapro> I know it is
02:43 < mkillebrew> haproxy is likely better for this, but not what we're using here
02:43 < Sousapro> I use it regularly
02:43 < madvillain> MillerBOSS: yep, sometimes i wont even bring my phone when i go out
02:43 <+DrGibby|> it notifies me on everything useful, I can respond to shit while driving, change the music, has my schedule etc
02:43 < Sousapro> was just being ridiculous
02:43 <+CheckYourSix> madvillain: I'll try it
02:43 <+DrGibby|> hell, I can fucking reply to texts and emails with it etc
02:44 < mkillebrew> but at least it can do the awful things I'm asking it to do
02:44 <+MillerBOSS> OK neat. I think I will do the ATT lease plan
02:44 < mkillebrew> don't give ATT money
02:44 <+DrGibby|> heh
02:44 <+MillerBOSS> They don't make anything on it
02:45 <+MillerBOSS> But the extra $10.
02:45 < madvillain> If only they made an app like Apple Pay for drivers license...then I would never need to bring my wallet when I go out....someday
02:45 <+MillerBOSS> Also AT&T Watch is gonna be a thing free for AT&T Wireless users
02:45 < mkillebrew> Some states have weirdly strict laws as to what you can do with digital information on IDs and licenses
02:45 < madvillain> but the amount of gov red tape for an app like that will make it never happen anytime soon
02:46 < mkillebrew> Last I checked, Texas didn't allow you to swipe licenses except for TABC or something for alcohol, and tracking when you buy allergy medicine
02:47 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.techmeme.com/180420/p8#a180420p8
02:47 <+MillerBOSS> >At antitrust trial, AT&T CEO announced AT&T Watch, a $15/month streaming TV bundle without sports; service is free for cellular customers, will debut in weeks
02:48 <+MillerBOSS> https://t.co/M32J19XwoK
02:49 < madvillain> on another note the Apple Watch will shame you if you sit too much
02:49 <+MillerBOSS> Thats good. I need to lose this gut
02:50 <+DrGibby|> if apple has a built in fitness tracker like android does, it'll also keep you motivated to walk and do other shit
02:50 <+DrGibby|> its nice
02:50 < madvillain> The night i bought the damn thing i wore it for about 10 mins so i only burned 5 calories. The next morning it sends me a whole pep talk about how i need to try harder
02:50 <+DrGibby|> madvillain: ahahahaha
02:50 <+MillerBOSS> Good.
02:50 <+DrGibby|> "you lazy fuck, get up and move"
02:50 <+MillerBOSS> I need that
02:51 <+MillerBOSS> Exactly I wish it said it like that too Id pay extra for that
02:51 < madvillain> and it just told me to stand guys brb
02:51 <+DrGibby|> also, MillerBOSS, if you get one don't complain about the battery until you've wore it every day for a month
02:52 <+DrGibby|> there was a honeymoon phase when I got mine where I tried to do everything with it
02:52 <+DrGibby|> it never lasted the entire day, but as soon as I got used to it, I found the battery would last much longer
02:54 <+DrGibby|> ... if that even remotely makes sense
02:54 <+MillerBOSS> It does Mr DrGibby|
02:56 <+MillerBOSS> ATT within 250 miles no stock. Best Buy then
03:00 <+DrGibby|> LIVEPD TIME LADS
03:00 <+DrGibby|> AND LASSES
03:01  * m4221 tases DrGibby| 
03:01 < m4221> DrGibby|: ON THE GROUND!
03:01 <+CheckYourSix> What would cause an NFS share to take so long to mount?
03:05 < czarbomba> THE SCHNOZZBERRIES TASTE LIKE SCHNOZZBERRIES
03:05 <+DrGibby|> mmmm delicious schnozzberries
03:08 < madvillain> CheckYourSix: can you mount the nfs with the -v flag and see what its saying?
03:09 <+DrGibby|> yeah set user mode +v on nfs
03:09 <+DrGibby|> it the channel stream is +m
03:11 <+DrGibby|> (sorry)
03:14 <+CheckYourSix> So there's some sort of DNS issue I guess. Cause I can ping the NAS by name or IP and it resolves in 0.3ms. If I try to mount using the hostname of the NAS, it takes up to 30 seconds. If I use the IP of the NAS, it's instant. How does that even make sense if it can ping easily?
03:15 <+DrGibby|> means there is an issue with DNS :P
03:15 < madvillain> LOL
03:15 < vader-> So MS is having a deal on exams...Take a test by April 30th and your next test is 25% off and any other tests are 50% off
03:15 <+CheckYourSix> How can there be an issue with the DNS?
03:15 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, it's never the DNS until it is
03:15 < vader-> I wonder if I can crunch enough to take a test on the 30th
03:15 < madvillain> https://www.isitdns.com/
03:16 < Virtual-Potato> ^
03:16 <+CheckYourSix> If I type ping <hostname> and it resolves in 0.3ms, why the fuck would it have an issue with hostname for NFS?
03:17 < czarbomba> your nas has samba, right?
03:17 <+CheckYourSix> Yeah
03:18 < xamithan> CheckYourSix: It doing rever lookups or GSSAPI ?
03:18 < czarbomba> you're bypassing DNS. samba broadcasts advertisements that windows picks up via netbios
03:18 < xamithan> That usually slows things down
03:18 <+CheckYourSix> xamithan: Not sure
03:18 <+CheckYourSix> czarbomba: I'm pinging it from a Linux host... would it still pick that up?
03:19 < czarbomba> the ping happens immediately but dig takes 30s from linux?
03:19 <+CheckYourSix> Didn't try dig
03:19 < Virtual-Potato> honestly the lazy guy in me just says to edit the hosts file with the hostname and IP
03:19 <+CheckYourSix> Just the NFS mount
03:19 < czarbomba> i don't think samba by default uses netbios to resolve
03:19 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: Easier version is to hard code the IP in /etc/fstab for mount on boot
03:19 <+DrGibby|> CheckYourSix++
03:19 < czarbomba> it's possible to configure but if you didn't do it it's unlikely
03:19 < czarbomba> how'd you force the dns lookup from linux?
03:20 < czarbomba> to get the 30s lag
03:20 < czarbomba> oh if you try to mount
03:20 <+CheckYourSix> Yeah
03:20 < czarbomba> yeah you skipped a diagnostic step :D
03:20 <+CheckYourSix> The dig command?
03:20 < czarbomba> yea, or some sort of confirmation of dns
03:21 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, does your resolv.conf file have correct entries?
03:21 < czarbomba> madvillain, i'm still vacillating between doing something serious with the domain absolutelydns.com or doing a joke site like that
03:21 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: Points to the router, which is right
03:21 < czarbomba> i'd like to do something quasi-serious that is useful to the internet at large but sometimes i think "ah fuck it do a gag site"
03:21 <+CheckYourSix> czarbomba: dig gets an instant response from the router with the IP of the NAS
03:21 < czarbomba> the router is your dns resolver?
03:22 <+CheckYourSix> Yes
03:22 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, might be that you have a nonexistent or non-working IP in your resolv.conf file and it tries to get a response from the IP before moving on to the next one
03:22 < czarbomba> hm. i know it's heresy, but it might not be dns :D
03:22 <+DrGibby|> YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH
03:22 <+DrGibby|> its always DNS
03:22 < czarbomba> :( I KNOW
03:22 < czarbomba> but it doesn't make sense :(
03:22 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: Only one entry there, the IP of the router
03:22 < Virtual-Potato> bruh
03:22 <+CheckYourSix> No, it doesn't make sense
03:22 <+DrGibby|> its could be DNS *AND* something else though!
03:22 < Virtual-Potato> just tcpdump it
03:23 < czarbomba> trudat
03:23 < Virtual-Potato> and analyze wtf is going on
03:23 < czarbomba> yeah, that's the next step
03:23 < czarbomba> tcpdump n chill
03:23 < Virtual-Potato> can I tcpdump all over you?
03:23 <+DrGibby|> ew
03:23 < czarbomba> right on the chest, bb
03:23  * DrGibby| gags
03:23 < Virtual-Potato> Hope you like my jumbo frames ;)
03:23 <+CheckYourSix> Very strange. So, on boot it tries to mount the NFS share (via IP) and fails. When it's booted, I type sudo mount -a, instant mount
03:24 < czarbomba> is the network stack not starting up in time on the nas?
03:24 < czarbomba> maybe delay the mount for a few seconds
03:24 <+CheckYourSix> It never used to have issues
03:24 < czarbomba> ah. yeah that was a shot in the dark
03:24 < czarbomba> dmesg on the nas?
03:25 <+CheckYourSix> nfsd: can't register svc name
03:25 <+CheckYourSix> nfsrv_cache_session: no session
03:26 <+CheckYourSix> Hmmm
03:26 < czarbomba> maybe nfsd is bombing out the first time it tries to start
03:26 < czarbomba> but there'd be more evidence of that in dmesg i think
03:26 < Virtual-Potato> cmon, tcpdump it already
03:26 < czarbomba> ^
03:26 < madvillain> 'cat /var/log/messages | grep svc'
03:27 <+NinjaStyle> Where CheckYourSix at
03:27 <+CheckYourSix> madvillain: Doesn't exist on BSD
03:27 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: Any particular flags?
03:27  * CheckYourSix has never used tcpdump :-(
03:28 < CharlesA> same.. I usually use wireshark or fiddler
03:28 < CharlesA> :|
03:28 <+CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Here, trying to track the issues
03:28 < Virtual-Potato> lemme look up the man pages hold on
03:28 < madvillain> CheckYourSix: I got that from the FreeNas Forums
03:28 < czarbomba> new phone who dis
03:29 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: I did tcpdump -i eno16777984
03:29 < czarbomba> i answered the phone that way when my mom called one day and she wouldn't let me hear the end of it
03:29 < madvillain> but i failed to read
03:29 <+CheckYourSix> Shit scrolling by so fast I don't even know what's going on.
03:29  * madvillain puts head down in shame
03:29 < czarbomba> pipe errything through less at all times
03:29 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, might wnat to add a -w flag. That way it saves to a file
03:30 < Virtual-Potato> so you can analyze it later
03:30 < Virtual-Potato> instead of trying to decipher wtf is goin on right now
03:30 < Virtual-Potato> or if you have a GUI session, just get wireshark
03:30 <+DrGibby|> tcpdump to terminal is going to be so fucking quick you wont be able to see shit anygay
03:30 <+DrGibby|> err anyway
03:30 <+CheckYourSix> So, I see communication between all sorts of systems
03:31 <+CheckYourSix> My desktop, my container host, NAS, Plex, etc.
03:31 < czarbomba> gonna wanna filter that to just your nfs server's ip
03:31 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, tcpdump -i <interface> -w <filename> host <IP or hostname>
03:31 < Virtual-Potato> fill out the entries in <>'s
03:34 <+CheckYourSix> What am I even looking for with this?
03:38 < Virtual-Potato> CheckYourSix, can you reliably trigger the whole '30s wait' thing?
03:38 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: Yeah, with a mount command
03:38 < Virtual-Potato> ok good
03:39 < Virtual-Potato> start the tcpdump again, perform the mount command
03:39 < Virtual-Potato> wait until it FINALLY mounts
03:39 < Virtual-Potato> stop tcpdump
03:40 < Virtual-Potato> maybe transfer a test text file to the mount
03:40 < Virtual-Potato> just to make sure it works, and it'll allow you to see the traffic in the tcpdump
03:40 < Virtual-Potato> give you a better understanding of what's goin  on
03:45 < coderphive> Well
03:45 < coderphive> I'm done fucking around with stupid ass groovy for today
03:45 < coderphive> I swear, I hate Java and all of it's friends
03:45  * DrGibby| hugs coderphive 
03:46  * DrGibby| hands coderphive a beer
03:46 < coderphive> Thank you.
03:46 < coderphive> I like to code, probably love it even, but I despise Java
03:46 <+DrGibby|> no, thank you. Thank you for being awesome.
03:46 < coderphive> Soul sucking language
03:51 < CharlesA> I deal with java at work.. *twitches*
03:52  * DrGibby| hugs CharlesA 
03:52  * DrGibby| hands CharlesA a beer. 
03:52 < Virtual-Potato> I drink java at work... *twitches*
03:52  * DrGibby| farts on Virtual-Potato 
03:52 < CharlesA> lol
03:52  * DrGibby| hands Virtual-Potato a fart
03:52 < Virtual-Potato> I was hoping for a hug :(
03:52 <+DrGibby|> aww
03:52  * DrGibby| hugs Virtual-Potato 
03:52 <+DrGibby|> <3
03:52 < Virtual-Potato> ITS NOT THE SAME
03:53 <+DrGibby|> well you got a fart and a hug
03:53 <+DrGibby|> that more than what the others got
03:53 < CharlesA> lol
03:53 < Virtual-Potato> You sound like my dad
03:54 < Virtual-Potato> "You should be happy someone is nice enough to give you a fart"
03:54 <+DrGibby|> pretty much
03:55 < CharlesA> heh
03:58 < czarbomba> holy fuck i am blazed.
03:58 < czarbomba> i am DEFINITELY taking an uber to the movie
03:58 <+DrGibby|> lol
04:01 < CharlesA> hmm
04:01 < CharlesA> to stick my offsite backup set as a RAID1 or just use singles.
04:06 <+NinjaStyle> Boop boop
04:07 < arlion[FIF]> czarbomba: happy 4/20
04:08 <+DrGibby|> happy -4 day!
04:08 < arlion[FIF]> I stucks nearify is down, I really need a place to eat or drink
04:08 < arlion[FIF]> and I don't want to pay for "Like a local"
04:12 <+CheckYourSix> Virtual-Potato: DrGibby|: czarbomba: https://gist.github.com/CheckYourSix/3095f19e91e635d59ec746e93a3390a6
04:12 <+CheckYourSix> pms is Plex, olympus is the NAS. It won't even mount at this point. Just times out
04:13 <+CheckYourSix> That's me trying with mount -a to pull from /etc/fstab, mount -v in the command line with hostname, and mount -v in command line with IP
04:16 < Hunterkll>  well
04:16 < Hunterkll> i guess now that we know the root cause
04:17 < Hunterkll> i made my biggest fuckup of my IT career
04:17 < Hunterkll> ..... while I was on vacation
04:17 < Hunterkll> :D
04:17 < CharlesA> Hunterkll, What now?
04:17 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: Lol what root cause and what did you do now?
04:17 < Hunterkll> meh, if rebooting all of prod sequentially so that nothing really goes down and only causes a few daytime blips
04:17 < Hunterkll> is my worst
04:17 < Hunterkll> then i'm doing pretty good
04:17 < CharlesA> pffft
04:18 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, deployed a security agent to all of the prod servers in an environment, re-using the desktop team's package in SCCM instead of re-creating the whole thing myself
04:18 < CharlesA> I get to play "how can I swap network cables without taking all the servers down" next week.
04:18 < CharlesA> middle of the day >.<
04:18 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, but it was 14 days after installation that the reboot triggered
04:18 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: Lol nice
04:18 < Hunterkll> so each server rebooted ... 14 days after it did app deployment evaluation ....
04:18 < CharlesA> Hunterkll, epic
04:19 < Hunterkll> The desktop team had changed a default setting on the package I re-deployed
04:19 < Hunterkll> Instead of "Determine behavior based on exit code" it was changed to "Configuration Manager client will force a mandatory device restart"
04:20 < Hunterkll> in the deployment type(msi) of the application settings
04:20 < Hunterkll> under the 'user experience' tab
04:20 < Hunterkll> :D
04:20 < Hunterkll> this happened over a week ago while i was in iceland
04:20 < Hunterkll> hahahaha
04:20 < Hunterkll> pop pop pop pop
04:20 <+DrGibby|> its been a while, CheckYourSix but it looks like that the request from plex times out
04:20 < Hunterkll> people were scurrying around stopping ccmexec on servers to prevent them from popping, etc
04:20 < Hunterkll> :D
04:21 < Hunterkll> only a ~200 server environment, but part of that was sharepoint and exchange for a F500 company
04:21 < Hunterkll> :p
04:21 < Hunterkll> tehe?
04:21 < Hunterkll> oh and some finance stuff, and some HR stuff, etc
04:21 < Hunterkll> you know, all the good stuff
04:21 <+CheckYourSix> I'm looking back at timelines on all of this and I'm starting to wonder if the issue likes with FreeNAS 11.1-U4. I updated to U4 on 4/5 and it seems like within the following week it started to have issues.
04:22 < Hunterkll> ah well, most of the shit is redundant and there's load balancers and shit
04:22 < Hunterkll> and everything staggered its reboots
04:22 < Hunterkll> so end users didn't really notice
04:22 < Hunterkll> lol
04:22 < Hunterkll> i'd say this ranks higher then the time I lost a netapp lun
04:22 < Hunterkll> since that was at midnight while I was doing VM migrations
04:23 < JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: that was while you were gone? lol
04:23 < JollyRgrs> oh man
04:23 < Hunterkll> yup
04:23 < Hunterkll> 14 days after the mark
04:23 < Hunterkll> ;)
04:23 < JollyRgrs> haha
04:23 < Hunterkll> fun fact: if a netapp lun goes FULL FULL it offlines to protect itself and totally disappears
04:23 < Hunterkll> i near shit brix when that happened
04:23 < Hunterkll> source code, build system, a bunch of servers, on that site
04:23 < Hunterkll> hahaha
04:23 < Hunterkll> crash course in netapp administration that was
04:23 < Hunterkll> then it came down to
04:24 < Hunterkll> "oh, just enlarge the lun, mount it again, enlarge vmfs, realize netapp is retarded, finish migrating shit off the lun, delete, recreate, migrate back"
04:24 < Hunterkll> it couldn't reclaim freed space inside the lun
04:24 < Hunterkll> so even though VMFS was like HEY I HAVE LIKE 800GB FREE
04:24 < Hunterkll> the lun was like IM 100000% FULL
04:25 <+CheckYourSix> So yesterday, one of the techs working on the card reader panel noticed a plug in the telecom room. Outlet was all burned to hell and the plug was halfway out. If you touched it, it arced. What does it go to? A PDU on the rack that some asshole plugged into another power strip (a shit one at that) in a spot where it probably got bumped into and knocked loose so it kept arcing. Amazingly, the PDU had stable power. I traced
04:25 <+CheckYourSix> everything plugged into it. The only stuff with no redundancy? All of the camears and the only voice gateway for Lync for every phone in the building... *facedesk* The voice gateway wasn't even plugged into the UPS. I moved it and fixed it all, but I had to wait until the end of the day to do it
04:27 <+CheckYourSix> No more ports left on any PDU or UPS for the POE switches for the cameras either >.< Those just get wall power and if the power dies, they go out for 10 seconds until the generator starts
04:28 < Hunterkll> lol
04:31 <+CheckYourSix> I'd love to know who plugged all of this shit in this way
04:32 <+DrGibby|> funny story
04:32 <+DrGibby|> we had a client, had 208v to their racks
04:32 <+DrGibby|> pretty standard in a DC, right?
04:32 <+DrGibby|> anyway, they managed to get this weird adapter to go from whatever it was to NEMA 5
04:33 <+DrGibby|> plugged the adapter in, then into a $5 power strip
04:33 <+DrGibby|> melted the power strip and the breaker on the PDU tripped
04:33 <+DrGibby|> so, they go back to walmart, buy ANOTHER $10 POWER STRIP
04:34 <+DrGibby|> proceed to do the same thing
04:34 <+DrGibby|> this time, much arch
04:34 <+DrGibby|> lots of blue smoke
04:34 <+DrGibby|> lots of melted plastic
04:34 <+DrGibby|> they then come and get someone
04:34 <+DrGibby|> "why did this do that"
04:35 <+MillerBOSS> Much fun too
04:35 <+TuxedoJack> "Because you forgot to lick your fingers when you plugged it in."
04:35 <+DrGibby|> NOC operator has to pick his jaw off the floor
04:35 <+CheckYourSix> Gotta love stupid people
04:36 <+DrGibby|> we then notify them if they were to set off the fire suppression system they're liable
04:36 <+DrGibby|> at this point I'm now involved
04:36 <+DrGibby|> the guys are apologizing up and down about it
04:36 <+DrGibby|> we shrug it off more/less
04:36 < Virtual-Potato> That reminds me of a time when a coworker of mine tried to return some stuff to the vendor because it was broken
04:36 < Virtual-Potato> he was asking them to RMA it
04:36 < Virtual-Potato> vendor went 'what's a RMA?'
04:37 <+DrGibby|> wat
04:37 <+CheckYourSix> One of our vendors calls them MRA, but they're Canadian, so...
04:37 < Virtual-Potato> I would've thought that by now RMA would be pretty much an universal term
04:38 <+CheckYourSix> Me too
04:50 < aleph-> Man I just spent way to long looking at agent orange pictures.
04:50 <+DrGibby|> decent episode of live pd tonight
04:50 < aleph-> Christ.
04:50 <+DrGibby|> aleph-: why would you do that?
04:50 <+MillerBOSS> How do you feel now aleph- ?
04:52 < aleph-> DrGibby|: Reddit
04:52 < aleph-> MillerBOSS: Awful and slightly gross.
04:55  * DrGibby| hugs aleph- 
04:55  * DrGibby| give aleph- a beer
04:56 <+MillerBOSS> Google images is enough for me to see that just now but then again if they have to endure that I should be able to latest view it. Right?
04:57 <+DrGibby|> yeah I saw some shit once and that was enough
05:30 < arlion[FIF]> What morbid curosity drove you to look, aleph- ?
05:37 <+DrGibby|> his morbid curiosity
05:37 <+MillerBOSS> The fuck Hey Siri and both iPhone and Apple Watch respond.
05:37 <+DrGibby|> yup
05:38 <+DrGibby|> same with gAssistant on mnine
05:38 <+DrGibby|> mine, too
05:39 < mkillebrew> and here you are bitching that a vioce operated computer you can wear on your wrist from the freaking future talks over another one
05:39 <+MillerBOSS> I had more Best Buy rewards left so I got an Echo Dot.
05:39 <+MillerBOSS> Has a 3.5mm jack so I am excited for good sound
05:40 <+DrGibby|> :(
05:40 <+MillerBOSS> mkillebrew 👉 Go figure
05:40 <+MillerBOSS> Dick Tracy
05:40 <+DrGibby|> why amazon :(
05:40 <+MillerBOSS> Why? It seems its more customizable
05:45 < madvillain> did they ever fix that "laughing" issue with Alexa?
05:47 <+DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: because I do everything w/ google.
05:47 <+MillerBOSS> I use all three really
05:47 <+MillerBOSS> Google Amazon and Apple
05:47 <+DrGibby|> I'm 99% in the google camp
05:48 <+MillerBOSS> I like to mingle with all. :P
05:48 <+DrGibby|> i'll mingle with u bby
05:48 <+MillerBOSS> No Apple Watch for you so you can't feel my heart beat
05:49 <+DrGibby|> except I can feel mine with android wear
06:06 < ned0> ThatOneRoadie i just found a listing $350k near sloan's lake. under contract after being on the MLS for one day.
06:18 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, yea, except the android wear SOCs haven't seen a new revision in years, still suck at almost everything, oh, and where's the ones with built in cellular and GPS?
06:18 < Hunterkll> lol
06:18 < Hunterkll> and where's the 50 meter deep swim proof ones?
06:18 < Hunterkll> >_>
06:18 < Hunterkll> .... i only bought myself a personal iphone because i wanted the watch to be honest
06:18 < Hunterkll> lol
06:19 <+MillerBOSS> What are some apps you use a lot on your watch Hunterkll ?
06:19 < Hunterkll> uh
06:19 < Hunterkll> weather?
06:19 < Hunterkll> the phone bits?
06:19 < Hunterkll> alarm?
06:19 < Hunterkll> not having to take it off when showering/bathing for the 2 months i couldn't walk properly in case i fell and coudln't get up?
06:19 < Hunterkll> lol
06:19 <+MillerBOSS> Thats all you use ?
06:19 < Hunterkll> having a cell modem in it so while i'm on dual crutches i didn't have to worry about carrying my phone?
06:20 < Hunterkll> i mean, email, text
06:20 <+MillerBOSS> Besides built in
06:20 < Hunterkll> but yea mostly i use it as a watch
06:20 < Hunterkll> i have some stuff on there like bank / credit card stuff
06:20 < Hunterkll> but rarely use them
06:20 < Hunterkll> if ever, just to set them up mainly
06:20 < Hunterkll> i mean, timer/stopwatch, etc
06:20 < Hunterkll> i got it more for the hardware features then software
06:21 <+DrGibby|> I dont wear anything electronic while swimming
06:21 < Hunterkll> nor do i but it was super convinent while home alone and needing to shower and shit
06:21 < Hunterkll> lol
06:21 < Hunterkll> just in case
06:21 <+DrGibby|> just in case...
06:21 <+DrGibby|> ok
06:21 < Hunterkll> i didn't wanna be in an 'ah fuck i've fallen and can't get up and can't turn off the water and now i have to wait while the water heater runs out until someone gets home'
06:22 < Hunterkll> in the best case scenario
06:22 < Hunterkll> so i just wore the watch 24/7
06:22 < Gencade> Yall are weird
06:22 <+DrGibby|> Hunterkll: how about telling your phone to call 911
06:22 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, i DID break my leg and shit recently
06:22 <+DrGibby|> I can do that
06:22 < Hunterkll> how?
06:22 < Hunterkll> i can't carry the fucking phone to the bathroom
06:22 <+DrGibby|> "hey google, call 911"
06:23 <+DrGibby|> pretty simple
06:23 < Hunterkll> that's all well and good if you can carry shit with you
06:23 <+MillerBOSS> Hurricane Electric has a watchOS app but it only does TOTP. I was hoping to ping from my watch. :P
06:23 < Hunterkll> lol
06:24 < Hunterkll> now that's just obscene
06:24 <+DrGibby|> even then, my apartment is "covered"
06:24 < Hunterkll> don't think i can yell loud enough to get my phone from the bathroom even though it's relatively4 close
06:24 < Hunterkll> but there's a wall in between us
06:24 < Hunterkll> so
06:24 <+DrGibby|> upstairs and downstairs, regardless of my phone
06:24 < Hunterkll> connecting hallway, but not at a very ... optimal acoustic angle
06:24 <+MillerBOSS> Hell even PRTG has a watchOS app
06:24 < Hunterkll> that's stupid
06:24 < Hunterkll> lol
06:25 < Hunterkll> though, being able to make / receive phone calls and texts on my regular number when i forget my phone is nice too
06:25 < Hunterkll> :P
06:25 <+DrGibby|> its stupid because of?
06:25 <+MillerBOSS> I will be using Duo, Authy and LastPass for sure
06:25 <+DrGibby|> my gHome's can call for help?
06:25 < Hunterkll> no i was talking about millerboss's stuff
06:25 < Hunterkll> lol
06:25 <+DrGibby|> gotcha
06:25 < Hunterkll> sorry
06:25 <+DrGibby|> no worries <3
06:26 < Hunterkll> not all of us have smart devices every fucking where
06:26 < Hunterkll> and some of us even go outside while crippled
06:26 < Hunterkll> outside
06:26 <+MillerBOSS> I just got one sooo
06:26 <+DrGibby|> I really dont either, they're just placed well
06:26 < Hunterkll> i have 0
06:26 < Hunterkll> well, that's half a lie
06:26 < Hunterkll> but home baked doesn't count here i think
06:27 < Hunterkll> i've got about 7U that when fully fired up is a crazy CALO mirroirng system with a shitload of stuff i've been tinkering with for the past 10 years on it
06:27 < Hunterkll> pretty cool stuff
06:27 < Hunterkll> CALO-type with some borrowed SRI code, etc
06:27 < Hunterkll> all lit up i can do stuff like feed the fish, control light switches, etc
06:28 < Hunterkll> though the voice rec stuff is like 4-5 years out of date at this point, could probably use massive improvements
06:28 < Hunterkll> maybe the FOSS stuff is good enough to rip the IBM stuff out at this point
06:28 < Hunterkll> maybe. probably not.
06:29 < Hunterkll> oh yeaaaa i forgot i DID go swimming with the watch recently
06:29 < Hunterkll> in atlantic city
06:29 < Hunterkll> lol
06:29 < Hunterkll> yay alcohol?
06:30 <+DrGibby|> no
06:30 <+DrGibby|> booze is a crutch
06:30 < Hunterkll> what?
06:31 < Hunterkll> no, a crutch is a crutch
06:31 <+DrGibby|> BOOZE IS A CRUTCH
06:31 < Hunterkll> the booze is what convinced me to go swimming
06:31 < Hunterkll> :D
06:31 <+MillerBOSS> Come on come on come on come on
06:31 <+DrGibby|> you should have swam regardless
06:31 < Hunterkll> nah
06:31 <+MillerBOSS> Now touch me babe
06:31 <+DrGibby|> yeah
06:31 < Hunterkll> i did like the poolside bar though
06:32 < Hunterkll> i mean i went for the party
06:32 < Hunterkll> lol
06:32 < Hunterkll> but the pool was just there
06:32 < Hunterkll> calling to me
06:32 < Hunterkll> saying
06:32 < Hunterkll> i'm wet. get in me. DrGibby| approves.
06:33 <+DrGibby|> fuckin weeb loli shit
06:33 < Hunterkll> i don't wanna know what you're into
06:33 < Hunterkll> loli is disgusting
06:33 <+DrGibby|> I was describing you
06:33 < Hunterkll> nah
06:33 < Hunterkll> see
06:33 < Hunterkll> this wasn't a weeb party
06:33 < Hunterkll> this was just a generic casino party
06:33 <+DrGibby|> mr "I have a SAN full of lolipron"
06:34 < Hunterkll> so none of that applies
06:34 < Hunterkll> what
06:34 < Hunterkll> i do not
06:34 < Hunterkll> she was 19 thank you very much
06:34 <+DrGibby|> suuuuuure you dont
06:34 <+DrGibby|> ;)
06:34 < Hunterkll> i have a san full of raw DV of home made real life porn
06:34 < Hunterkll> :)
06:34 <+DrGibby|> of CP
06:34 <+DrGibby|> ok
06:34 <+DrGibby|> good
06:35  * DrGibby| winks
06:35 <+MillerBOSS> The fuck. Slack used to be on watchOS
06:35 < Hunterkll> you make a lot of assumptions, which have alreayd been stated to be false. me thinks you doth protest too much thyne innocence
06:35 <+MillerBOSS> Still no Spotify remote
06:36 < Hunterkll> and here i am using it as a glorified watch that is a compact cellphone and is all weather
06:36 < Hunterkll> lol
06:36 <+DrGibby|> Hunterkll: your infatuation with anime and chicks pretty much sets you up for loli
06:36 < Hunterkll> O.o
06:36 < Hunterkll> not really
06:36 < Hunterkll> newest anime i've ever seen was produced in 2004 i think
06:36 < Hunterkll> and i play both sides of the field
06:36 < Hunterkll> i'm just a slut
06:36 < Hunterkll> a greedy slut
06:37 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah I want more out of it. It can do it but I am surprised some devs have not made things for it after what 4 years no?
06:37 <+DrGibby|> the O.o means I'm right
06:37 < Hunterkll> no
06:37 < Hunterkll> it means "wtf"
06:37 <+DrGibby|> uh huh
06:37 < Hunterkll> and i dispute your logic
06:37 < Hunterkll> if anything it means i've been masturbating to hellsing hentai for the past 15 years
06:37 <+DrGibby|> tell that to the federal prosecutors
06:37 < Hunterkll> without getting anything new
06:37 < mkillebrew> you're both idiots, shut up
06:37 < Hunterkll> lol
06:38 <+MillerBOSS> Woah he told you
06:38 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, actually, i know someone who got busted for that shit
06:39 < Hunterkll> in retrospect, it actually wasn't surprising
06:39 <+DrGibby|> I think you're not too far off, mnan
06:39 < Hunterkll> he might be out of prison by this point
06:40 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, see, i'm not fat, creepy, and i don't call liquor stores 'candy stores'
06:40 < Hunterkll> I call them "Goddamnit why aren't you open yet" stores
06:40 < aleph-> Ehhhhhh
06:40 <+DrGibby|> except you're skinny dumb and like girls with short skirts
06:40 < aleph-> One of those is false.
06:40 <+DrGibby|> sooooo
06:40 < Hunterkll> jealous much?
06:41 <+DrGibby|> nit even a little
06:41 <+DrGibby|> sit still makes you a pedo
06:41 < Hunterkll> the double chins wobbling so hard he can't even say 'not' right
06:41 < Hunterkll> ah, see, but i'm not
06:41 < Hunterkll> so
06:41 < aleph-> I knew a loli. Delightful woman.
06:41 < Hunterkll> lol
06:41 <+DrGibby|> wait
06:41 <+DrGibby|> ztop
06:41 <+DrGibby|> stop
06:41 < Hunterkll> hahahahahahahah
06:42 <+DrGibby|> full stop
06:42 < aleph-> I should add she was 25.
06:42 <+DrGibby|> aleph-: you like loli?
06:42 < aleph-> Just had a disorder that made her look 12.
06:42 < aleph-> No
06:42 < Hunterkll> Reminds me of something I once heard the founder of a hackerspace say - "Dude! Your girlfriend looks 12! I'm okay with this! " - person in question was at least 18 or so
06:42 < aleph-> Lol
06:42 <+DrGibby|> "I knew a loli..."
06:42 < Hunterkll> actually, she was older than me
06:42 < Hunterkll> -_-
06:43 < aleph-> Lol
06:43 <+DrGibby|> ban aleph- immediately
06:43 < Hunterkll> lol
06:43 < aleph-> Ouch.
06:43 <+DrGibby|> loli is CP
06:43 < aleph-> Does it help that I hate kids. Can't stand the ankle biters.
06:43 < Hunterkll> ..............
06:43 < Hunterkll> NOT HELPING
06:43 <+DrGibby|> .....
06:43 <+MillerBOSS> DrGibby| I think you are just fishing
06:44 < Hunterkll> MillerBOSS, i think he caught one
06:44 <+DrGibby|> no
06:44 <+DrGibby|> I am not
06:44 < Hunterkll> we got nazis and loli lovers here apparently
06:44 < aleph-> Not a loli lover.
06:44 < Hunterkll> uhuh
06:44 <+DrGibby|> but a loli supporter?
06:44 < aleph-> Not really.
06:44 < Hunterkll> you deny just like DrGibby| does
06:44 < aleph-> Heh
06:44 <+DrGibby|> not clear enough
06:45 <+DrGibby|> pls ban
06:45 < Hunterkll> 'not really'
06:45 < Hunterkll> look
06:45 < Hunterkll> ya'll both need some timeout
06:45 <+DrGibby|> fuck man
06:45 < aleph-> Fine a firm no then. Christ
06:45 < Hunterkll> DrGibby|, you move to salem
06:45 < Hunterkll> aleph-, you move to federal prison
06:45 < aleph-> Ouch
06:45 < Hunterkll> well i mean
06:45 <+DrGibby|> aleph-: dude. You need to go,. Loli is not ok
06:45 < Hunterkll> salem is where witch hunters go right?
06:45 < aleph-> Never said it was.
06:46 <+DrGibby|> y0ou kinda did
06:46 < aleph-> No? How did I say that?
06:46 <+DrGibby|> "not really" means "not 100%"
06:46 < aleph-> For fucks sake. Fine a firm no then.
06:46 < aleph-> Sorry for slightly unclear terminolgy
06:46 <+DrGibby|> I'MN COOL WITH .01% OF CHILD PORN
06:46 < aleph-> I'm drunk, what'd yah want from me?
06:47 <+DrGibby|> definite answers?
06:47 <+DrGibby|> I'm drunk and high but I can at least maintain I dislike underage people?
06:49 < aleph-> Fsir enough. I'n most of the way through a bottle of liauor and a bottle of wine.
06:49 < abakedapplepie> woo cp #stayclassy
06:50 < aleph-> Not that it makes it okay. But eh
06:50 < Hunterkll> hey guys i brought some gravestones heard you might need 'em
06:50 <+MillerBOSS> Chillaaaaaaax DrGibby| :)
06:53 < aleph-> Lovely have to throw away my romaine.
06:53 < aleph-> Damn
06:58 <+DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: <3
07:02 <+MillerBOSS> Here, have another Miller Lite DrGibby|
07:02 <+DrGibby|> :)
07:05 < aleph-> Boooh
07:06 < aleph-> I want more lahprogaih
07:10 < Gencade> OH BOY IS DrGibby| INTEGEROGATING PEOPLE AGAIN
07:11 < Gencade> xamithan is a nazi
07:11 < Gencade> .seen kenrin
07:11 <+layer-eight> kenrin was kicked from #reddit-sysadmin 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours 6 minutes 13 seconds ago. Reason: at the request of #reddit-sysadmin
07:11 <+MillerBOSS> Go take another nap Gencade
07:11 < Gencade> I slept for like an hour and a half
07:12 <+MillerBOSS> Now what?
07:12 <+DrGibby|> Gencade: pls not now
07:13 < Gencade> fine im gonna go make some biscuits
07:13  * Gencade flies away
07:13 <+DrGibby|> pls do
07:15 <+NinjaStyle> Fuck
07:15 <+DrGibby|> yeah?
07:20 < Gencade> yeah?
07:21 <+DrGibby|> yeah
07:21 < Gencade> How's your night DrGibby|
07:23 <+DrGibby|> Hey, Gencade, all, hope you all have a great evening
07:30 < abakedapplepie> ok then
07:31 < Gencade> ok then
07:34 <+MillerBOSS> Fuck off
07:34 <+MillerBOSS> You with your learning words
07:34 < vader-> tense in here tonight
07:34 <+MillerBOSS> :P
07:34 < Gencade> You're not my supervisor
07:34 <+MillerBOSS> But I am your elder
07:35 <+MillerBOSS> :P
07:35 < Gencade> Old fart
07:35 <+MillerBOSS> This is how we roll vader-
07:35 < Gencade> .yt this is how we roll
07:35 <+layer-eight> YouTube Florida Georgia Line - This Is How We Roll ft. Luke Bryan - https://youtu.be/CbxuXq_981s
07:35 <+MillerBOSS> Thanks
07:35 < Gencade> np
07:36 < vader-> @('_')@
07:36 <+MillerBOSS> I think of Sean when I hear this song
07:36 <+MillerBOSS> Sean Hannity Show
07:36 < Gencade> I think of florida georgia line
07:37 <+MillerBOSS> That too
07:37 <+MillerBOSS> I didn't know you like Country.
07:37 < Gencade> I like all kinds of music
07:37 <+MillerBOSS> I figured you were all 2018 Pop only
07:37 <+MillerBOSS> ;)
07:37 < Gencade> I figured you just listened to elvis and the beatles
07:37 <+MillerBOSS> Hardly
07:37 < Gencade> (;
07:38 <+MillerBOSS> I don't care for metal and today's "rap" what ever that shit is
07:38 < Gencade> I pretty much just listen to everything, depends on activity or mood
07:38 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
07:42 < Gencade> DrGibby|, seemed like he was grumpy before he left MillerBOSS , what happened
07:44 <+MillerBOSS> Nah. He just got on something he is passionate about. Plus drink'n and high he said, so go figure.
07:47 <+MillerBOSS> Nahmean?
07:47 < Gencade> Yeah Ifeel you brotha
07:47 < Gencade> :3
07:47 <+MillerBOSS> :4
07:52 <+MillerBOSS> System Uptime: 3 days, 23 hours, 1 minute, 21 seconds • Textual Uptime: 3 days, 22 hours, 59 minutes, 12 seconds
07:55 <+NinjaStyle> Gencade: wat happened
07:56 <+MillerBOSS> Gencade happened
08:02 < vader-> https://youtu.be/i9oU7rfb-do
08:02 <+layer-eight> YouTube I Hate the Lord of the Rings by 2016-01-16T20:34:48.000Z (duration: 7:55) on Sun Jan 17 03:34:48 UTC 2016, 2016-01-16T20:34:48.000Z views
08:33 <+MillerBOSS> What are you all doing?
08:33 <+MillerBOSS> Type words here now
08:45 < sockspls> WTF DIE https://memeimg.sockspls.com/f.php?h=3xalSp2v&p=1
08:53 <+A-KO> I'm trying to sleep
08:53 <+A-KO> but had to wake up to go poo
08:53 <+A-KO> so here I am
08:54 < vader-> i am seeing if i want to replace the battery in my phone
08:54 < vader-> i have a Galaxy S7 Edge and the back which is IP67 rated popped open
08:54 < vader-> i think the battery exploded
08:56 <+MillerBOSS> Why would you not replace it eh?
08:57 < vader-> was thinking about getting a new phone
08:59 <+MillerBOSS> Ahh
09:00 < vader-> my phone runs like shit though
09:00 < vader-> i dunno
09:00 <+MillerBOSS> Sounds like its time to upgrade
09:06 <+MillerBOSS> https://www.bignox.com/
09:08 < Casteil> vader-: probably not ip67 rated anymore >.>
09:08 < vader-> it is not
09:09 < Casteil> a lot of these newer phones are a pain in the ass to get into without ruining now
09:09 < vader-> ya all the battery sites basically say your IP67 rating is shot once you open it
09:09 < vader-> it won't ever seal the same way again
09:09 < Casteil> well
09:09 < Casteil> usually you have to get adhesive kits
09:10 < Casteil> MillerBOSS: just what I want.. always wanted to play shitty mobile games on PC >.>
09:10 <+MillerBOSS> I don't want it for the games
09:12 < vader-> i really was thinking about the OnePlus 6T when it came out
09:13 < vader-> but they don't have full Verizon support
09:13 < Casteil> I just recently got a Moto X4 through google fi
09:13 < Casteil> pretty damn good phone overall for $250
09:14 < Casteil> I don't think the camera is quite on par with my old nexus 5x but it's pretty close
09:14 < Casteil> everything else is just a lot better all around
09:14 < vader-> ya so right now im thinking Samsung GS9+, Google Pixel 2 XL or wait for the Google Pixel 3 XL or OnePlus 6T
09:14 < Casteil> ip68 dust/water resistance, 3GB ram, 32GB storage + microsd slot, the fingerprint reader is incredibly fast
09:15 < Casteil> screw paying $600-1000 for a phone when $250 goes so far.
09:18 < vader-> the one thing i really don't go cheap on is my phones
09:18 < vader-> when i go and buy one i buy the latest and greatest at that time
09:19 < vader-> i use my phone everyday it is my lifeline
11:00 < Gencade> Good morning
11:11 < rpgio> g'day m8
11:13 < Gencade> how you doin rpgio
11:13 <+MillerBOSS> .bofh
11:13 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS, BOFH says: SCSI Chain overterminated
11:14 < Gencade> don't you ever sleep MillerBOSS
11:15 <+MillerBOSS> I woke up at 3:30pm
11:15 <+MillerBOSS> I got a few hours in me yet
11:15 < Gencade> yikes
11:51 < vader-> ya i need to get to sleep
11:51 < vader-> i hear the bird chirping
11:52 < Gencade> same
11:52 < Gencade> goodnight
12:30 < genr8_> PSA: Defrag your SSD yearly. your filesystem will thank you but your NAND won't.
12:31 < genr8_> well. not all filesystems are as bad as NTFS. so maybe you use one that doesnt need it.
12:37 <+MillerBOSS> What OS genr8_ ?
12:37 < genr8_> WinBlows
12:37 <+MillerBOSS> 95?
12:37 < genr8_> 95 didnt have NTFS so no
12:38 <+MillerBOSS> Good call. :P Windows 10 I assume? Doesn't that auto defrag? Learn me :)
12:38 < genr8_> you can check
12:38 <+MillerBOSS> As far as I know it does auto defrag
12:38 < genr8_> its supposed to , it wasnt working for me
12:39 <+MillerBOSS> Ahh
12:39 < genr8_> found my C drive at 59% fragmentation
12:39 < zer0def> wait, w10 is supposed to defrag by itself during downtime?
12:41 < genr8_> explain this then: https://puu.sh/A7ANZ/4557750783.png
12:42 < genr8_> Im pretty sure it only does TRIM
12:42 < zer0def> well, my first assumption would be it picks up on $disk being ssd and just runs a trim
12:42 < genr8_> which isnt the same
12:42 <+MillerBOSS> But does SSD need defrag then is my thinking now
12:43 < genr8_> if NTFS wasnt there, no. since it is there, yes.
12:43 < genr8_> NTFS is cockblocking all disk accesses and any excessive fragmentation will result in high Queue depth and worse overhead at the least
12:44 < zer0def> wouldn't it be a case of read ops of sequence-like characteristic (when defragged) and more-random (when not)?
12:44 < genr8_> i believe so yes
12:45 < genr8_> SSDs are fast but theyre not light-speed, so that difference matters
12:45 < zer0def> depending on the size of file or their ordering when they're small
12:46 < zer0def> question is whether performance is deep enough in the gutter to validate potential lifetime shortening
12:46 < zer0def> s/performance/performance degradation/
12:46 <+layer-eight> zer0def meant: "question is whether performance degradation is deep enough in the gutter to validate potential lifetime shortening"
12:46 < genr8_> when the only argument against it is NAND lifespan, and you only run one drive-write every year, i say yes.
12:47 < genr8_> (one drive write to defrag it entirely)
12:48 < genr8_> in the heavily-fragmented spots, the drive is doing 3-6MB/s read+write. Thats abysmal.  this drive is capable of 35-40MB/s in the random 4k range.  in the non-fragmented spots i'm right up at 25-30MB/s
12:49 < zer0def> i mean, depending on your dwpd, it might not even have a meaningful impact
12:49 < genr8_> i could see that
12:49 < zer0def> some of this performance you're inevitably losing by just using ntfs, but that's a totally different discussion to have
12:50 < genr8_> when NTFS writes it just loves to fragment shit
12:50 < genr8_> even if there was a valid location where it doesnt have to
12:50 < genr8_> and you cant really control it so
12:52 < genr8_> certainly theres too many variables to come to a conclusion and the waters are already sufficiently muddied with bad blog posts and itiots repeating the mantra "SSDs always store data fragmented anyway so no point to defrag"
12:52 < zer0def> if that didn't have an impact, op speeds wouldn't have mattered on whether they're sequential or not :P
12:54 < genr8_> indeed, but those numbers were guesstimates. the amount of people doing concrete tests is like 3 people
12:54 < zer0def> then 3 people is all you need.
12:56 < genr8_> If i was so inclined, I would devise a test with this trashed disk before fixing it
12:56 < zer0def> why not just defrag it and monitor smarts?
12:56 < genr8_> Set up a program to index the entire filesystem alphabetically, store the list of filenames, and read all the files one by one. Then time it. Then defrag. then re-run it.
12:57 < genr8_> SMART for what ?
12:57 < genr8_> oh
12:57 < genr8_> no its not physically trashed :)
12:57 < genr8_> just logically
12:57 < genr8_> i just mean i kinda want to defrag and fix it rather than do a comprehensive test
12:58 < zer0def> also, you probably would want to order files by access frequency
13:01 < genr8_> ive done that in the past. it gets too micro-managey for me. what if things get overwritten out of place
13:02 < genr8_> not sure
13:02 < zer0def> you can always categorize that under "random effect equalizing wear between cells"
13:03 < genr8_> i think thats an idea more on HDDs
13:03 < genr8_> hey i have a question
13:03 < genr8_> for OverProvisioning, you're supposed to leave an unpartitioned space at the end right ?
13:04 < genr8_> I was under the impression that was the only thing I could do to control wear leveling
13:05 < zer0def> personally i'd do whatever i can to leverage sequential reads, but since virtual disks aren't read sequentally, i probably would've been way over my head
13:05 < genr8_> oh i see what you're saying now
13:06 < L3gacy> Bacon!
13:07 < genr8_> Even if you defragged your SSD to the point where it had like the first 25% of the disk unfragmented, never re-written (only read) - those cells would have TOO MUCH life left (compared to the rest)
13:07 < genr8_> so if it did re-write by accident it would just be considered "wear leveling" those parts
13:07 < genr8_> yea i may do that
13:08 < zer0def> when overprovisioning, i'd probably merge shared blocks into some shared base frequently
13:08 < zer0def> but then you're probably suffering penalty, if you overdo layering
13:09 < genr8_> well i dont get that at all, so maybe explain that ?
13:09 < zer0def> think copy-on-write
13:10 < genr8_> what i dont get is how you determine any of that
13:10 < zer0def> oh that would be using a scalpel on a mammoth, most of the time
13:11 < zer0def> my hope would be that VMs are recycled frequently enough that over time and buildup of contemporarily up-to-date layers, older layers could be merged back to base image
13:12 < zer0def> on top of some deduplication magic
13:12 < genr8_> mmk. yes this all becomes moot on filesytems where you have actual levels of control.
13:13 < zer0def> well, i'm thinking blocks, not necessarily filesystem logical structures, but the deeper i go into the topic, the more i'm over my head
13:13 < genr8_> I already have to set up a manual Copy-On-Write scheme for all my torrents
13:13 < zer0def> there people way more competent and dedicated to the topic than me, the $random on irc
13:14 < zer0def> s/there/there are/
13:14 <+layer-eight> zer0def meant: "there are people way more competent and dedicated to the topic than me, the $random on irc"
13:14 < genr8_> my ZFS pool is heavily fragmented too but thats my own fault
13:14 < genr8_> cant really complain on that
13:15 < genr8_> its all the other things i don't control that are fragmenting heavily over the course of running a Windows OS
13:16 < zer0def> cache writes more aggressively before actually writing to disk? of course, it requires power outage mitigation
13:16 < genr8_> you basically want it written on disk right the first time
13:16 < genr8_> yeah.
13:16 < genr8_> Cache would fix it
13:17 < genr8_> you know what that brings to mind that I disabled Samsung Magicician RAPID (ram cache) mode
13:17 < genr8_> I think i turned it off cause i was having corruption issues during unstable overclocks -> BSODs
13:20 < zer0def> oh, you're a microsoft user
13:20 < zer0def> yeah, you're sol on a couple of options then ;)
13:26 < genr8_> wowww i just had a brownout and only my TV and stereo turned off
13:27 < genr8_> my "power outage mitigation" is non-existent
13:33 < genr8_> aaand now my multi-monitor layout is all messed up from losing a screen and i have to reboot winblows because of it.
13:37 < L3gacy> I just got a second monitor, again.  Was using laptop + 28", but gave the i7 lappy away
13:37 < L3gacy> Son needed for Autocad :)
13:37 <+MillerBOSS> Good Dad you are L3gacy
13:37 < L3gacy> ty :)
13:37 < L3gacy> He speaks 5 and signs one language
13:38 < L3gacy> US Army Reservist :D
13:40 < L3gacy> I need tacos... damn morning cravings
13:40 <+MillerBOSS> Wow great job to him
13:40 < L3gacy> At least I can add milk to all my meds and it's like cereal
13:40 < L3gacy> ty
13:46 < L3gacy> How is everyone? :)
13:48 < L3gacy> just rotated monitor 2 :)  WOOOWOO
14:19 < genr8_> i feel better now
14:45 < L3gacy> Just rooted my Note :)  WOOT
15:02 < Sousapro> I want to grab this person by the shoulders, look them in the eyes and tell them that they deserve better then their current position https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8dpnou/i_work_as_a_sysadmin_my_job_is_causing_me_to/
15:03 < Sousapro> I worked at a place for two years that made me feel like shit daily, no one deserves to be treated that way
15:03 < zer0def> i can be your victim, if you're incapable of controlling yourself
15:04 < zer0def> also, just read OP's post, sounds like "doing it for exposure"
15:05 < zer0def> s/doing it for/paid in/
15:05 <+layer-eight> zer0def meant: "also, just read OP's post, sounds like "paid in exposure""
15:05 <+CheckYourSix> Sousapro: Why did you hang out for 2 years?
15:06 < Sousapro> Because I was an idiot
15:06 < Sousapro> I thought I couldn't get any better
15:06 < Sousapro> I pounded doors with my resume forever
15:06 < Sousapro> Everything is timing though
15:07 < Sousapro> This was like 2010 and that recession was still in effect
15:07 <+CheckYourSix> Ah
15:07 <+CheckYourSix> Having a good resume makes all the difference too. Lots of people submit their resumes everywhere and get no results
15:08 < L3gacy> I just had three interviews in 2 days, thanks to my resume, I think
15:08 < Sousapro> A lot of places were dropping senior sysadmins into junior positions and offering junior pay at that point
15:08 < Sousapro> I have a decent resume now and I was poached for my current position
15:08 < Sousapro> I know what low feels like though
15:08 <+CheckYourSix> That post you linked above, that OP's daily workload sounds like my daily workload, I just work in a different field. I'm buried in work all the time. Stuff is all way behind.
15:09 < Sousapro> 300:1 on IT personnel though
15:09 < Sousapro> That's insane
15:09 <+CheckYourSix> It is. He's doing a lot more than sysadmin though and MSP isn't helping
15:10 <+CheckYourSix> s/though/too
15:10 <+layer-eight> CheckYourSix meant: "It is. He's doing a lot more than sysadmin too and MSP isn't helping"
15:10 < Sousapro> Especially when the msp is like "password reset too hard, escalate"
15:11 < Sousapro> He is doing so many important things that paying a couple of coops like 12 an hour to do regular desktop stuff would be a massive financial benefit for the company
15:11 <+CheckYourSix> I met a guy locally who is an MSP sales guy. It didn't take him long to try and pitch me. I was like dude... do you even have a clue how to do sales? 1) Fuck off. 2) I work for a FUCKING FORTUNE 100! You work for a shitty little MSP
15:11 <+CheckYourSix> Yeah I agree
15:13 < Sousapro> I also wish I could say I was surprised about the MSP stuff
15:13 <+CheckYourSix> The MSP guy was telling me about his sales tactics (beyond aggressive) and I said "Have you ever been arrested for trespassing or had harassment complaints filed against you?" He looked at me funny and was like no, why?
15:13 < mal_will> I hate when MSPs pitch to me
15:13 < Sousapro> I know there's good ones but there is a lot of terrible out there
15:13 < mal_will> "you want to take my job...neat"
15:14 < Sousapro> mal_will: that's not how it starts
15:14 < Sousapro> mal_will: but a lot of them will make sure that's how it ends up
15:14 <+CheckYourSix> He said he calls businesses daily until they give him a sit down talk just to go away, plays the good cop/bad cop thing with other salesmen when they visit sites, show up unannounced, etc... I was like yeah, if I was a business and you did that, I'd serve you with paperwork that you're banned from the premises or contacting us. Then you'd just get arrested if you continued. I really don't know how this guy is still employed...
15:14 < mal_will> I hate when they crawl our website to call customer service to get to us
15:15 < mal_will> Fa she Sousapro I know better. I've seen so many people get burned
15:15 <+CheckYourSix> I would do that to any salesmen though. I get some that show up unannounced for all different types of stuff. They're met by me at the security desk, given a cold shoulder, and they usually get the message to leave within a minute.
15:15 < Sousapro> The problem is you don't know if you have a partner or an assassin working with you until months into the contract
15:16 < Sousapro> And that's if they are providing reasonable support
15:16 <+CheckYourSix> Yeah, this sales guy was bragging about how they took a contract and got 6 sysadmins laid off
15:16 <+CheckYourSix> He did say that $MSP hired 4 of them to work for them, but still
15:16 < Sousapro> Ah
15:16 < Sousapro> Yeah, I'd still like to see how that ends up long term
15:17 < Sousapro> It really depends on how static your organizational IT needs are
15:17 < mal_will> I went off on a Dell guy recently, who wanted to sell us a hosted data center solution. "Just pick up and move out of rackspace" I told him there's no chance of us ever doing that
15:18 < mal_will> This was on a support call where he couldn't answer my question
15:19 < mal_will> It was so sneaky. He was like, "Im your new rep, tell me what you're working with. I told him their encryption software sucked and I'd be off it if it weren't so hard to uninstall. He said he'd get an engineer on the line, but first...
15:20 <+CheckYourSix> *click*
15:21 < mal_will> Wouldn't take the hint. He's like "I'll call your manager to see how he feels, is his number still...?" And i think he actually thought I'd give him a number to call
15:21 < mal_will> God, I bet it works on some people
15:23 < mal_will> My last place laid off the whole four person it department for an msp, but ended up hiring two new full timers to supplement the msp
16:15 < Nightcinder> looking at spigen cases, there's so many fuckin' options
16:40 < Nightcinder> mal_will: CDW won't stop calling me
16:40 < Nightcinder>  i've resorted to picking up and hanging up immediately instead of letting them to go VM
16:40 < mal_will> I pissed them off, they stopped calling me
16:40 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Nightcinder: That's weird. My account manager usually never calls unless something went wrong with an order.
16:41 < Nightcinder> we don't use CDW
16:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Oh
16:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> lol
16:41 < Nightcinder> my phone rings
16:41 < DLSteve> CDW?
16:41 < Nightcinder> then my coworkers
16:41 < Nightcinder> then my bosses
16:41 < Nightcinder> totally a great way to get our business
16:41 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DLSteve: Business Amazon
16:41 < mal_will> Ugh. I finally said their service was subpar and we weren't going to give them any more money
16:41 < mal_will> they stopped.
16:42 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> mal_will: Wow, I figured that would have had the opposite effect.
16:42 < DLSteve> Oh CDW is like Zones.
16:42 < mal_will> Nah, they seemed shocked
16:42 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> DLSteve: Yeah
16:42 < DLSteve> I hate Zones but thats who we use.
16:42 < mal_will> They used to take us to lunch once a quarter and try to sell their managed solutions. One time I was like, no, I'm not going. Can't do it anymore
16:43 < mal_will> they got pissy and were like "I'm giving you free food" so I just threw it out there and hung up.
16:43 < Nightcinder> i tried to contact CDW before and never got a return message
16:43 < Nightcinder> and now theyu're messaging me
16:43 < Nightcinder> no fuck you
17:23 < coderphive> Man, coding in Python makes me so happy
18:07 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: you online?
18:08 < Nightcinder> no he ded
18:09 < Sousapro> :(
18:11 < Sousapro> I was just wondering how you get from managing windows and linux VMs on x64 to working with like IBM Z Systems
18:12 < ny0x> magic
19:08 < aleph-> Oh yeah how much is a Z machine.
19:11 < aleph-> Yeesh. Out of my price range.
19:13 < mkillebrew> This channel is so dead outside of working hours when none of you should be here
19:13 < Nightcinder> ur a working hour
19:13 < mkillebrew> fite me irl
19:14 < Nightcinder> ok
19:14 < Nightcinder> i'm 6'7 300
19:15 < mkillebrew> you're a dirty liar
19:17 < genr8_> neodumbium magnets
19:43  * aleph- sighs
19:53 < czarbomba> anybody here get so high yesterday that coffee doesn't work today
20:02 < Casteil> <mkillebrew> This channel is so dead outside of working hours when none of you should be here < source of information/knowledge, bro
20:02 < Casteil> >.>
20:05 < czarbomba> re: the tom hanks comedy "big": is it a movie about a kid who turns into an adult or a movie about a woman who bangs a 12-year-old
20:12 <+CheckYourSix> Blah. I want to install my new fiber card but I can't stand shutting down my PC and disconnecting all the cables
20:12 < czarbomba> when selfish ambition meets profound laziness
20:13 <+CheckYourSix> It's a bad setup physically. I have to shut down, crawl under my desk, disconnect everything, move my futon, pull the PC off the shelf, install the card, do all of that in reverse
20:16 < Mcavendish> if only pcie 5.0 was out
20:16 < Mcavendish> it will allow hot swap
20:17 <+CheckYourSix> And more bandwidth?
20:17 <+CheckYourSix> And did we skip 4.0?
20:18 <+CheckYourSix> Ah nice, 32 Gb/s bandwidth per lane on 5.0. Supports 400 Gb full duplex ethernet. That'll be something to see
20:22 <+CheckYourSix> Time to power down and install. Brb
20:36 < aleph-> czarbomba: I was sufficiently drunk. I don't remember much of yesterday.
20:37 < aleph-> Whole bunch of bugs were fixed though. Go drunk me!
20:41 <+CheckYourSix> God damn it. It doesn't see the fiber card. Probably have to plug it into a different PCI-E slot. Why does this still happen? This should have been corrected ages ago.
21:36 < czarbomba> i don't get how people can go to church from like 9am-3pm on a sunday
21:36 < czarbomba> that's one selfish jesus
21:39 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah that's like the whole day
21:44 < czarbomba> someone should ask jehovah why he's so needy
21:45 <+NinjaStyle> He is ded
21:46 < JollyRgrs> NinjaStyle: that's #fakenews
21:46 < czarbomba> just because your presence in the mortal coil may come to an end doesn't mean you need to be a selfish baby :(
21:46 < JollyRgrs> best go double check yourself before you double REKT yourself!
21:47 < czarbomba> shots fired
21:47 < vader-> hmm i need to figure out a way to compare a list of names/titles against a list of files and see if there is a match... but the formats of names are not the same between each... any thoughts? the application is a list of some titles and artist, and then mp3/mp4 files... i need to spit out if I have the files and where they are located...
21:47 < czarbomba> jollyrgrs has set aside six hours every tuesday on #r-s dedicated exclusively to praise and compliments for him
21:49 <+NinjaStyle> vader-: it might be easier to match on metadata, but powershell is your friend if windows
21:51 < czarbomba> https://i.imgur.com/z4mLzD7.png
21:55 < vader-> ya i was hoping premade like an app or script
21:56 < coderphive> man
21:56 < coderphive> yall are dead today
21:56 <+NinjaStyle> I'm alive
21:56 < coderphive> I forgot yesterday was 4/20
21:56 < coderphive> All of you are recovering
21:57 < voidstar> on the job. lovin life
22:04 < m4221> coderphive: hey
22:04 < m4221> Hello sysadmins...fuckers...errr sysadmins
22:05 < coderphive> suuuuup
22:05 < coderphive> This weekend is refactor weekend
22:06 < coderphive> These devs will come in monday to see my 40% refactor time
22:28  * m4221 tases Gencade 
22:41 <+CheckYourSix> I really hate paying shipping on anything
22:42 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: why are the devs not the ones refactoring the code?
22:42 < coderphive> I code too. I adhere to a bit more strict discipline I suppose though.
22:42 < coderphive> It takes time to get used to.
22:43 < coderphive> 30% new code 30% tests 40% refactor
22:59 < JollyRgrs> OH NO!
22:59 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> CheckYourSix: Would you feel better if they just included it in the price without you knowing and just slapped a fake "FREE SHIPPING!" label on it
22:59 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> ?
22:59 < JollyRgrs> i just saw an ad on facebook for this purple matress
22:59 < JollyRgrs> do you know what the oh no is about?
22:59 < JollyRgrs> *mattress
22:59 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JollyRgrs: Powder?
22:59 < JollyRgrs> THEIR WEBSITE...
22:59 < JollyRgrs> IS.....
22:59 < JollyRgrs> purple.com
23:00 <+CheckYourSix> SysAdminGoneCraZ: I know, it just annoys the fuck out of me.
23:00 < JollyRgrs> they bought purple.com :(
23:00 <+CheckYourSix> JollyRgrs: I was reading reviews on that mattress and people said it's great at first, but sucks after 3-4 months
23:00 <+A-KO> I've got a Casper Mattress
23:00 <+A-KO> I like it
23:00 < JollyRgrs> do you know what purple.com used to be?
23:00 <+CheckYourSix> No
23:00 <+A-KO> nope
23:00 < JollyRgrs> it was just purple
23:00 <+A-KO> lol
23:00 < JollyRgrs> bg=purple
23:00 < JollyRgrs> great for testing browsers
23:01 < JollyRgrs> if it can pull up purple.com, at least the basics work, maybe you are blocking jscript or something
23:01 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> JollyRgrs: Oh wow. I rememebe that
23:01 <+A-KO> anywyas
23:01 <+A-KO> the mattress I hear is alright, coworker bought one
23:01 <+A-KO> but I've got casper so YMMV
23:01 <+A-KO> I'm still looking for a good side sleeper pillow
23:01 < JollyRgrs> SysAdminGoneCraZ: ikr? i used to love going to that site to demonstate when they thought it was just completely borked
23:01 < JollyRgrs> A-KO: i got one that isn't so bad, wife got it for me
23:01 < JollyRgrs> i don't know the name or anything, i'll check tag tonight
23:02 < JollyRgrs> it isn't best, but much better than std pillow (my std was a tempurpedic pillow)
23:25 <+DomLS3> .seen MillerBOSS
23:25 <+layer-eight> MillerBOSS spoke in #reddit-sysadmin 9 hours 44 minutes 45 seconds ago. Message: Wow great job to him
23:33 <+CheckYourSix> Does anyone deal with IPS? I'm looking at all of these rules and I have no idea where to begin with what to log vs. what to block
23:44 <+DrGibby|> evening
23:44 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Greets
23:47 < L3gacy> Greets
23:47 < czarbomba> RIP mini-me
23:48 <+DrGibby|> yeah, just saw :(
23:49 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> NO WAY, V DIED?!
23:49 <+DrGibby|> yeah :(
23:49 < L3gacy> :'(
23:50 <+NinjaStyle> Evening
23:51 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> NinjaStyle: Everyone's quiet. Moment of silence for Verne.
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