--- Log opened Thu May 17 00:00:22 2018
00:06 < scwizard> so you can't modify a launch configuration after you've created it but
00:06 < scwizard> can you modify a launch template after you've created it?
00:06 < scwizard> or just add new versions?
00:06 < scwizard> can you change the default version
00:06 < scwizard> i don't understand anything
00:06 < mal_will> That's rude af ebol4
00:07 < mal_will> "Hey kid, you wanna work for Semantic-the worse version of Dragon?"
00:09 < Sousapro> ebol4: why not? lmao
00:10 < scwizard> ok you can NOT edit launch templates
00:11 < ebol4> dumb interview lol
00:11 < ebol4> it was just like "so you why do you want to live in eugene oregon" and "what about this role interests you"
00:11 < ebol4> it was over in literally 8 minutes
00:11 < scwizard> you can edit the default version of a launch template
00:13 < scwizard> ok and to create an autoscaling group from a launch template
00:13 < scwizard> you can't do it from the autoscaling group page
00:14 < scwizard> you need to do it from the launch template page if you're using the console
00:15 < MillerBOSS> What are you making again scwizard ?
00:15 < CheckYourSix> ebol4: Sounds like a waste of time
00:16 < scwizard> MillerBOSS: i'm just trying to revamp production i guess idk
00:16 < ebol4> yeah not sure why they even asked those questions
00:16 < ebol4> i'm interested in the position because it matches my skills and it will provide me with currency
00:16 < scwizard> really more than anything for the company i'm trying to learn to into modern aws
00:17 < MillerBOSS> I just wonder what the is ran on what you are making. I am curious. I manage usually Windows so I have no clue but want to learn how you can use what you build
00:17 < scwizard> i'm gonna give a talk at some point
00:17 < scwizard> sec
00:18 < MillerBOSS> Cool
00:19 < CheckYourSix> ebol4: Exactly. Asking why you want the job is so dumb. Everyone will answer "opportunities, new challeneges, etc..." when really it's "because you're hiring and you pay money"
00:19 < TuxedoJack> Give me a compelling reason to leave a local administrator account on a RDP VM
00:19 < TuxedoJack> As opposed to disabling the local admin one and being done with it
00:19 < scwizard> MillerBOSS: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QwkxPFo7GR0bCHu26hwxaP48NBIaE1H2R_6JnPUML_M/edit?usp=sharing
00:20 < scwizard> rough sketch of my slides i did yesturday
00:21 < aName> Spinning up a throwaway VPS for something quick and dirty. I love how snarky DigitalOcean is, sometimes. "If you'd prefer to not receive root passwords by email, please add a SSH key and create your droplets with that key:"
00:23 < MillerBOSS> Thanks scwizard I will check it out shortly
00:23 < scwizard> (there's pretty much nothing to see)
00:24 < MillerBOSS> ;)
00:25 < MillerBOSS> Oh noooes
00:25 < MillerBOSS> Interesting
00:27 < Hempux> Hey team
00:27 < mal_will> I'm having probs setting up Netflow in Solarwinds. Routers seem to be exporting properly, but the server I have Solarwinds on doesn't even seem to be listening on 2055. Solarwinds swears this is normal, but it feels off.
00:28 < MillerBOSS> Hey Hempux
00:28 < Hempux> Why is oracles suitee8 software so awful?
00:28 < silentfury> why is oracle awful?
00:28 < silentfury> because oracle!
00:28 < Hempux> Its trying to send mail anonymously even tho i have told it to use autentication
00:29 < Hempux> And its not going to fix itself unless i bounce the box
00:29 < silentfury> because oracle fired all the developers after buying the product
00:29 < Hempux> Maybe its the box thats wrong
00:30 < Hempux> But how can a c# application just decide not to use auth..
00:31 < Hempux> Fucking piece of shit
00:32 < Hempux> Had i known this 3 years ago when they were buying the system i'd tell them to get something else
00:32 < pcspkr> I've seen at least 3 applications that supposedly support authentication with configuration entries for auth yet they fail to actually use it
00:32 < pcspkr> like, symantec confirmed it's an actual bug
00:32 < pcspkr> they don't even test their shit
00:34 < Hempux> I guess i should set up smtpd or something like that as a middleware and just not use authentication
00:34 < Hempux> As a fix
00:34 < scwizard> me rn: https://i.imgur.com/0HAHV4o.png <- I wonder if you can change it via api, but it's not implemented in the console yet. That's sorta what it seems but that autoscaling groups with launch templates are a beta feature?
00:37 < sammm> that feeling when you discover the hardware guys have hardcoded IP addresses into thousands of shipped devices and they are incapable of remote updates / DNS
00:38 < abakedapplepie> oh isnt that the best
00:38 < Hunterkll> i know this is old
00:38 < Hunterkll> but i still had the tab open
00:38 < Hunterkll> so lulz
00:38 < Hunterkll> https://thehackernews.com/2018/05/javascript-function-excel.html
00:38 < abakedapplepie> or like when you hardcode a domain and then fail to register it
00:38 < scwizard> sammm: long day eh?
00:42 < Hunterkll> pubg guys gonna have a long day
00:42 < Hunterkll> they're moving test into prod tonight
00:42 < Hunterkll> :P
00:43 < silentfury> you mean they're testing in prod right
00:43 < MillerBOSS> Yeah javascript in Excel. What were they thinking?
00:43 < silentfury> Microsoft isn't thinking these days, i thought that was evident.
00:44 < MillerBOSS> https://charles.dardaman.com/js_coinhive_in_excel
00:45 < MillerBOSS> >Why is my EXCEL.exe taking 100% of CPU usage?
00:46 < jaelae> have to go to my data center tomorrow morning so i submitted a ticket accessing for my wireless account to be enabled
00:46 < jaelae> and they responded saying - we cannot find this device
00:46 < jaelae> im not sure how too respond to that
00:46 < MillerBOSS> >Contact your Administrator, jaelae
00:47 < jaelae> ill allow it
00:47 < MillerBOSS> :P
00:47 < Alternity> a linus tech tips video that is interesting and informative?  who knew https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES-s9KQrUTY
00:47 < Alternity> cellphone manufactor qa process, cool stuff
00:47 < silentfury> they do qa?
00:50 < MillerBOSS> Did he just say machine vision
00:51 < MillerBOSS> I hope we don't end up having to feed machines with food ffs
00:55 < rpifan> hi
01:02 < jaelae>   Weird
01:02 < jaelae> I jus pooped and it was the shake of he oracle logo
01:02 < jaelae> Shape
01:02 < rpifan> isnt oracle dead
01:05 < jaelae> I wish
01:05 < jaelae> They are pushing people to their own oracle hypervisor now
01:06 < rpifan> why
01:06 < rpifan> sigh
01:06 < jaelae> My new laptop has some massive issue
01:06 < jaelae> I guess I better troubleshoot
01:07 < rpifan> whts the isue
01:10 < jaelae> Keeps rebooting . Not crashing but tons of issues in event viewer - network card is logging something every minute among other crap. Lots of GpO errors since I’m not on vpn
01:10 < jaelae> Not a great setup so I’ll muck with it later
01:10 < rpifan> format
01:10 < rpifan> and instal ldebian
01:11 < jaelae> That would make compliance mad
01:11 < jaelae> Also I can not reinstall an OS - encrypted disk
01:12 < jaelae> Separate IT support at work control it
01:12 < silentfury> compliance will be rewarded.
01:12 < xamithan> Let the helpdesk monkeys fix it
01:13 < voidstar> ook ook oook
01:14 < rpifan> damn it
01:14 < rpifan> i hate that
01:14 < rpifan> just like at my job
01:14 < rpifan> damn windows freaks
01:14 < xamithan> You know like 90% of this channel is windows admins,  lol
01:14 < jaelae> Yea but last time helpdesk spent 3 hours on my laptop
01:15 < jaelae> We are slowly getting rid of windows depending
01:15 < rpifan> r they really?
01:15  * rpifan sets fire to chan
01:15 < jaelae> At 1750 windows vms and 1000 Linux now
01:15 < jaelae> But our web app is IIS
01:16 < xamithan> But all your desktop OS is windows
01:16 < jaelae> Yea but that’s a separate environment at least I only work on our servers which is a separate domain and network
01:16 < abakedapplepie> holy shit
01:16 < jaelae> For users it’s 99% windows and 2 Mac users
01:16 < abakedapplepie> shift+win+arrow moves the active window between screens
01:17 < abakedapplepie> mind blown
01:17 < abakedapplepie> mind. blown.
01:17 < abakedapplepie> kerpow
01:17 < jaelae> Instant move like it jumps ?
01:17 < abakedapplepie> ye
01:17 < jaelae> I wish I could use multiple screens
01:17 < abakedapplepie> i use my monitor as a screen for my ps4 too so some windows get lost
01:17 < abakedapplepie> i dont feel like siwtching my settings
01:17 < jaelae> Fucking infosec. We can’t use vpn so I have to remote in with a web browser for all my work
01:17 < abakedapplepie> oh lordy
01:17 < abakedapplepie> no vpn? why
01:18 < jaelae> So I have three screens and only can use one
01:18 < jaelae> Can’t they deemed it a security risk
01:18 < abakedapplepie> and yet whatever bullshit browser based system they have isnt
01:18 < abakedapplepie> ???
01:18 < jaelae> There’s some reasons which I can’t really understand. I’m also deploying horizon view which will allow us to use multiple displays
01:18 < abakedapplepie> let me guess, its something from a vendor, closed source
01:19 < jaelae> Yes it’s soha/okta. It’s damn secure for sure with two factor but vpn was similar
01:19 < abakedapplepie> yeah exactly
01:19 < abakedapplepie> if you can secure that
01:19 < abakedapplepie> you can secure a vpn
01:19 < abakedapplepie> i guess thats my point
01:19 < jaelae> Vpn we had two factor but I think th we issue is that now your local laptop is on the network
01:20 < jaelae> I can see why it is more secure but I guess I didn’t want to fight it because I do want horizon
01:20 < abakedapplepie> so set up a terminal server for remote people?
01:21 < abakedapplepie> you can deploy two factor auth on the rdp too
01:21 < jaelae> It is like hat but you have to vpn in then connect but once the vpn session is open your laptop is a security risk
01:21 < jaelae> We do
01:21 < jaelae> I’m telling you it was damn secure
01:21 < abakedapplepie> oh i see what youre saying
01:21 < jaelae> So I don’t get the need but whatever this is my life now
01:21 < abakedapplepie> theres ways around that too though
01:23 < jaelae> Like right now with the browser I can connect with a public computer on the browser and if I walk away from the computer someone else is in
01:24 < abakedapplepie> yeah
01:24 < abakedapplepie> you have more control over the security with a vpn, if you ask me
01:25 < abakedapplepie> that sucks
01:27 < jaelae> Was using amazon workspace too
01:28 < jaelae> That was neat
01:38 < rhqq> wassup dudes
01:39 < jaelae> dudes dudettes and others
01:39 < jaelae> dont forget
01:39 < rhqq> referencing "its wednesday, my dudes"
01:39 < voidstar> wassup * LIKE 'human'
01:39 < voidstar> no offence to you attack helicopters out there
01:40 < jaelae> im a bot
01:40 < jaelae> in real life
01:40 < jaelae> dont label me
01:40 < rhqq> voidstar: it took me a while to understand that SQL
01:40 < rhqq> and it's poor ;p
01:41 < voidstar> it's a metaphor for the sociopolitical landscape of today
01:42 < MadCamel> Gender: Cat.
01:45 < xamithan> What the hell is ANT
01:45 < jaelae> ok
01:45 < jaelae> i gotta drive to the data center at 6am
01:45 < jaelae> what should i get for breakfast
01:45 < jaelae> this is importante!!
01:45 < xamithan> waffle burrito
01:45 < jaelae> whaat
01:45 < voidstar> 7/11 hot dogs will ensure you can get a bathroom break in before 7am
01:45 < jaelae> i just threw up a bit
01:46 < xamithan> Taco bell sells 'em
01:46 < jaelae> its a data center so nobody is there - it makes bathrooms nice
01:46 < jaelae> because they have a 12 stall bathroom and like 3 employees
01:46 < jaelae> theres also a 12 stall  female bathroom but no females
01:46 < xamithan> Why does a data center need 24 bathrooms
01:46 < jaelae> its rackspace so maybe if someone decides to visit their server in a rack
01:46 < jaelae> xamithan:  ive wondered this myself
01:47 < jaelae> im guessing they built it thinking people wanted to have massive meetings in their huge meeting rooms
01:47 < xamithan> Might have been a call center previously
01:47 < jaelae> but didnt realize most people with stuff in a data center want to just stay home
01:47 < jaelae> its a colo
01:47 < xamithan> I work at a colo,  we don't have bathrooms at all
01:47 < xamithan> Well not for the clients
01:48 < Alternity> so is ours jaelae
01:48 < Alternity> thats a lot more servers tho
01:48 < sideup66> Very interesting
01:48 < sideup66> Net neutrality repeal got pushed back in the youse
01:48 < jaelae> yea our colo in california is the same company but theres like very small bathrooms
01:48 < jaelae> but here its massive
01:48 < jaelae> i enjoy it
01:48 < sideup66> I mean Senate
01:48 < xamithan> They got showers too?
01:49 < jaelae> i hope not
01:49 < sideup66> Thank God, some politicians have brains
01:49 < xamithan> House will deny it though
01:49 < xamithan> =(
01:49 < jaelae> whats funny is i usually bookj the conference room which easily sits 20+ people
01:49 < jaelae> but i go alone
01:49 < jaelae> and i get kicked out but the people that work there but then i walk by later and its just 2 of them in there having a meeting
01:53 < sideup66> xamithan: what makes you think that
01:53 < sideup66> I think everyone hates trump enough they may do it just to thumb their noses
01:56 < xamithan> I don't want to get too politcky but about 40-50 repubs would have to be swayed
01:59 < misspwn> hola
02:02 < misspwn> what is a colo jaelae ?
02:02 < rhqq> colocation
02:03 < rhqq> (i guess)
02:03 < misspwn> still not familiar with that term
02:03 < JollyRgrs> misspwn: think DC not on-prem
02:03 < misspwn> ahh
02:04 < misspwn> no bathrooms though?
02:04 < rhqq> JollyRgrs: we've lived to times where DC is something to be reminded
02:04 < rhqq> ;)
02:04 < rhqq> of*
02:04 < JollyRgrs> lol
02:04 < misspwn> ours are not on prem, i just never heard that term before
02:05 < JollyRgrs> back in the old days, misspwn... that blazing fast 10Mbit connection for your entire office wasn't enough to do infrastructure as well as end-user internet traffic
02:06 < misspwn> hah
02:06 < rhqq> gee, i managed a network of 130+ computers having 4mbit
02:06 < rhqq> local isp
02:06 < rhqq> most of the customers were paying for like 2mbit
02:06 < rhqq> xD
02:07 < rhqq> entire network had 2x4mbit
02:07 < misspwn> yeah we have a few that have super slow internets and if you remote on it drops a bunch or windows updates take days
02:07 < rhqq> but internet was so.. empty back then that nobody was really able to saturate the thing
02:07 < rhqq> yeah, win update was the thing though
02:07 < rhqq> however that's poland
02:07 < rhqq> 99% were pirated
02:07 < rhqq> ;-)
02:08 < rhqq> with disabled windows update for this reason
02:08 < voidstar> can relate, got a client upgraded from ~1mbit to 50mbit. they think I'm a god
02:08 < rhqq> back then major country isp started to sell 128kbit for like 1/10th of median salary
02:09 < rhqq> so this network wasn't that bad
02:11 < rhqq> but yeah, mcgyverism was strong
02:11 < rhqq> eh, that was 15 years ago O_O
02:13 < rhqq> i feel old
02:16 < misspwn> how old are you rhqq ?
02:16 < rhqq> 30 this year
02:17 < TheGeekLife> shaddap
02:17 < misspwn> i'll be 32 in a few months
02:17 < TheGeekLife> I'll be 47 this year.
02:17 < rhqq> well, my first it job was 15 years ago
02:17 < rhqq> it does feel long time
02:17 < derpingit> anyone use nextcloud for their business stuff?
02:17 < misspwn> it is quite a long time!
02:17 < rhqq> TheGeekLife: sysadmins live that long?
02:18 < misspwn> rhqq, things have changed so much it's crazy
02:18 < derpingit> i just setup my own personal one, and is pretty slick.. may think about planning some production usage
02:18 < rhqq> derpingit: im planning to include that in my router
02:18 < rhqq> "router"
02:18 < xamithan> I've seen 75 year old sysadmins
02:18 < rhqq> xamithan: what did they start with? abacuses?
02:19 < derpingit> wha? is your router a vm box ?
02:19 < TheGeekLife> I'm pickled by all the booze I have to drink after work.
02:19 < voidstar> do they have long white beards and carry magic staves?
02:19 < rhqq> derpingit: nah, turris omnia,
02:19 < xamithan> I don't really know.  Guy was a handyman and decided to do IT after physical problems
02:19 < xamithan> Thought he'd make more money during the dot com boom
02:20 < rhqq> i wish my dad knew english, he's the geek type and he'd feel useful again after retiring from servicing electronic circuits
02:20 < rhqq> y'all should feel lucky for having english your native one
02:21 < xamithan> Meh I'd rather be from a country that you learn multiple languages
02:21 < TuxedoJack> Welp, if one of my techs wasn't gone, he'd be dead
02:21 < derpingit> rhqq i have no idea what that device is.. i'll have to look into it
02:21 < TuxedoJack> Stupid fucker set a user as Global Admin in an O365 tenant two months ago and never removed her
02:21 < TuxedoJack> Her PW was compromised on Monday night
02:21 < rhqq> derpingit: it's rad, 2gig ram, spf, 3 mpciex slots, 1.6ghz
02:21 < derpingit> i see that.,, i just never heard of it. i'm in love with ubiquiti for now, but this looks interesting
02:22 < rhqq> yeah, TO is amazing
02:22 < rhqq> and they have more than decent support
02:22 < rhqq> actively developed openwrt fork
02:22 < derpingit> geezus.. 300 euro ?
02:22 < rhqq> and actually pushed few kernel patches i needed for my lte modem to work inbetween
02:22 < rhqq> imo totally worth it
02:23 < rhqq> (i added $200 LTE modem on top of it, so yeah :P)
02:23 < MadCamel> well there's nerd communities in every language, internet's a big place
02:23 < derpingit> spf. lol
02:23 <@killdash9> there is one advantage to having English as your first language. Most everywhere you travel it's far easier to find a local English speaker than any other language.
02:24 < rhqq> yeah
02:24 < rhqq> also all the IT documentation
02:24 <@killdash9> just got back from Italy and really used zero of the little Italian I know except in the smaller town with a single market vendor. Everywhere else I'd start in Italian and they'd switch to English on me.
02:25 < rhqq> that was out of pitty ;-)
02:26 <@killdash9> oh, I know. My Italian sounds more like Spanish but at least I tried which makes them happier to use English
02:27 < rhqq> yeah
02:27 < MadCamel> some places they sometimes appreciate the attempt and will be nicer to you because of it. like french canada.
02:27 < rhqq> well, more of "my english is better than his italian" feeling good/encouraged
02:27 < rhqq> but not french... france
02:27 < rhqq> no english for you in france
02:27 <@killdash9> the one place I had an issue I tried to order 25kilos of cheese instead of my intended .25kilos. The lady was utterly confused
02:28 < xamithan> Why didn't you try to order by pounds and really confuse 'em
02:28 <@killdash9> a little Google Translate sorted that all out and we both had a laugh. No lady, I don't really want the entire wheel of cheese
02:30 < MadCamel> https://i.imgur.com/1rku8HI.jpg
02:30 < rhqq> nice picrel
02:30 <@killdash9> I see nothing wrong there except the one on the right needs more cheese
02:30 < rhqq> that thing to the left should never be called cheese in the first place
02:31 < rhqq> y'er americans have shitty food
02:31 < ned0> ^ +1
02:31 <@killdash9> dude, 'American' cheese is Freedom Cheese. We are required to like it as children
02:31 < rhqq> xD
02:32 < rhqq> every time i visited subway i cringed on "what cheese" question every single time
02:32 < voidstar> it's also known as dog cheese in my household
02:32 < rhqq> it's all shit and tastes the same
02:32 < rhqq> and not like cheese
02:32 <@killdash9> all I know is Italy was a bad choice of vacation spots for me and my lactose intolerance....cheese on every thing
02:32 < rhqq> try crete next time
02:33 < rhqq> less cheese more olives
02:33 <@killdash9> Gelato for dessert? Cheese on top!
02:34 < ned0> where in italy killdash9?
02:35 <@killdash9> Rome, Florence, and Modena. Visited Ferrari and got factory tour at Lamborghini in Modena
02:36 <@killdash9> Modena was nice and quiet after a week in Rome and Florence.
02:36 < ned0> nice
02:38 <@killdash9> my wife is an automotive artist and it was a work trip visiting factories. I just go along as arm candy
02:38 < rhqq> hah, nice
02:39 < rpifan> automtive artist/
02:39 < rpifan> ?
02:40 <@killdash9> she does paintings of cars. Large canvas work mostly. Like 3ft x 6ft.
02:41 < voidstar> design or for decoration?
02:41 < rpifan> oh nice
02:42 <@killdash9> yes? mostly studies of unique parts of cars. Like a Type-E headlight or a Cadillac tailfin. Things like that. Does commission work too doing paintings of people's supercars.
02:43 <@killdash9> her work can sometimes be almost abstract until you realize it's a super closeup of a car.
02:46 < misspwn> that's pretty badass
02:47 < misspwn> can i be her arm candy as well?
02:51 <@killdash9> it requires going to lots of pre-race parties when big races are in town. It's rather boring standing around in a garage somewhere surrounded by dozens of cars you'll never afford. :)
02:52 < rhqq> don't be so sure about the last part ;p
02:52 < misspwn> i mean, if they give me good snacks i'm ok with it
02:54 < misspwn> you can always download a car, but downloaded snacks might not taste as nice
02:55 < arooni> about to shut down a vps i used as a web app server; i've already checked and backed up all mysql databases id want; looked thru the code /var/www section... and downloads.  trying to think if there might be anything else i need before i shut it down.  am i missing naything?
02:55 < rhqq> your entire /home
02:55 < rhqq> including dotfiles for all users
02:55 < misspwn> themes
02:55 < rhqq> you never know whether your .bash_history may come up handy
02:55 < misspwn> or would that be included in all that
02:56 < misspwn> are you shutting it down for good or doing an upgrade?
02:56 < rhqq> also /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} in case you end up with weird ID/UID/GID
03:04 < Church-> Hey folks
03:04 < Church-> MadCamel: That reminds me of my luch the other day. Made a Sloppy Jessica.
03:04 < Church-> So good.
03:06 < CoJaBo> a wat
03:06 < xamithan> That sounds like one of those porno positions
03:07 < benjgvps> Church-: Did you die
03:07 < JollyRgrs> Church-: what'sa sloppy jessica?\
03:07 < JollyRgrs> i'm starting from a base of knowing what a sloppy joe is
03:11  * Casteil farts in JollyRgrs' general direction
03:11 < ebol4> the meat is a woman
03:13 < gnupluslinux> i'll meat your woman
03:16 < Casteil> I'll meat your mom
03:16 < CoJaBo> classy.
03:16 < gnupluslinux> it's what we do
03:16 < Church-> JollyRgrs: Pizza, chili, mac n cheese on a bun
03:16 < Church-> I also added bacon.
03:17 < gnupluslinux> pizza on a bun?
03:17 < gnupluslinux> like you the sauce and toppins on a bun instead of pizza dough or like, just a straight slice of pizza on a bun
03:17 < gnupluslinux> + chili mac
03:21 < Church-> Slice of pizza on a bun.
03:21 < rpifan> sounds awful
03:22 < CoJaBo> Pizza with pepperoni pizza toppings.
03:22 < gnupluslinux> we talkin like a hot dog bun?
03:23 < rpifan> no
03:24 < Church-> gnupluslinux: Baugette
03:26 < gnupluslinux> shoulda gone with the hot dog bun
03:31 < Casteil> how about... hot dog gun
03:31 < MadCamel> ^
03:31 < Casteil> shootin weiners faster than the speed of sound
03:34 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> precise: Who won last night?
03:34 < gnupluslinux> tha guins
03:35 < SysAdminGoneCraZ> Nice
03:36 < xamithan> On a bun,  like a bagel bite ?
03:41 < misspwn> i'm chattin with hot babes on the internet
03:47 < CoJaBo> you misspelled "bot"
03:47 < gnupluslinux> have they asked you to check out their totally hawt cams yet
03:53 < CoJaBo> I am a wealthy Nigerian Cambot.
03:53 < rpifan> lol
03:53 < rpifan> nigrerian
03:54 < misspwn> oh no she's just chatting to me about my eyes(lasik)
03:54 < misspwn> i'm no good at this!
03:57 < gnupluslinux> have you shown her your extension collection of YuGiOh cards?
03:57 < gnupluslinux> extensive
03:57 < gnupluslinux> gotta lock it down my dude
03:57 < rhqq> geez, it feels like i'm reading r/greentext
03:58 < xamithan> I don't know,  it never started with a "be me"
03:58  * rhqq be me
03:58 < rhqq> xD
03:59 < CoJaBo> bæ
03:59 < rhqq> that's like a next level
03:59 < rhqq> xÐ
03:59 < xamithan> Be me, picked up a six pack to get drunk, drank all six with no buzz,  figured out I was drinking O Douls,  vomited it all because I was so full.
04:01 < xamithan> I think I screwed up the tenses there
04:01 < rhqq> they're never consistent
04:02 < xamithan> True,  I need to add a few misspelled words to go with all the comma splices also
04:02 < rhqq> and add some tfwngf
04:02 < gnupluslinux> >be me
04:02 < SpeakerToMeat> People, people, people.... felda is alive
04:02 < gnupluslinux> >13/f/jp
04:02 < xamithan> Didn't felda get banned?
04:02 < rhqq> bant*
04:03 < gnupluslinux> felda is all around you
04:03 < xamithan> Felda may be bant and ded, but pfsense will live on
04:04 < aName> There's no reason I can't paint the top of my r710, right?
04:04 < rpifan> lol
04:04 < aName> You just normally don't see it, right?
04:05 < xamithan> Well it is stuffed into a rack so..
04:05 < aName> Yeah but mine isn't lol
04:05 < xamithan> Make a cool case cover for it,  like those PS2 matte stickers
04:05 < aName> Guy in my local reefkeeping club owns a vinyl shop, actually
04:06 < xe0n> reef keeping
04:06 < xe0n> as in, weed keeping?
04:06 < xe0n> lol
04:06 < aName> Mostly does car wraps
04:06 < gnupluslinux> would the heat fuck up the vinyl
04:06 < aName> No, as in coral reefs
04:06 < rpifan> anyone bored enough to try and get into my work sites unsolicitedly
04:06 < gnupluslinux> or whatever paint you decide to use
04:06 < aName> gnupluslinux: They put it on cars, so I guess not?
04:06 < gnupluslinux> i figure the OEM boxes are like electrostatic'd on
04:06 < gnupluslinux> aName, true
04:06 < xamithan> It shouldn't,  those old style PS2 got pretty hot
04:07 < aName> gnupluslinux: Naw, they make paint for engine blocks, I could use that - but I doubt I'd need to - it's not going to get much hotter than a standard PC case
04:08 < aName> It's just a personal box for experimenting with things
04:08 < gnupluslinux> anycase i wouldnt use like, wall paint is all
04:08 < aName> Well that'd just be a shitty finish lol
04:08 < gnupluslinux> aye lol
04:09 < aName> I mostly bought it so I could set things up and show my boss
04:10 < aName> And then I can bring it up in my performance review like 'well I do know x,y,z - but you haven't asked me to...'
04:10 < MadCamel> if you want a tough surface and don't mind black or white I suggest appliance enamel. Bonds well to metal and looks pretty good. Wipe the metal down with steel wool or sandpaper then some acetone first.
04:10 < aName> MadCamel: Yeah, that stuff is great
04:11 < aName> Actually
04:11 < aName> You've got me thinking
04:11 < aName> I wonder how it polishes up
04:11 < aName> The steel, that is
04:11 < aName> Probably not great
04:12 < MadCamel> I doubt it's very hard, seems more on the ductile end of the spectrum
04:12 < SpeakerToMeat> cryptic1: There's a guy going around by the nick of cryptic
04:12 < SpeakerToMeat> sans 1
04:13 < MadCamel> we all know the real solution here is to get it chromed ;)
04:19 < joelazot> ello
04:27 < PrincessZoey> is it bad that I chuckle that the only reason I've needed to log into either of my MSDN accounts in the last like 9 months was to give a friend/family member a product key?
04:30 < khelpw> Anybody here very familiar with Synology NASs?
04:41 < misspwn> gnupluslinux, i like your nick, it reminds me of stallman
04:41 < rhqq> nah, linux part would trigger him
04:42 < gnupluslinux> the greatest of us all misspwn
04:42 < Selavi> rms.sexy
04:42 < rhqq> Selavi: my default site in the browser
04:42 < rhqq> ;p
04:42 < misspwn> idk about sexy
04:42 < rhqq> misspwn: its https://rms.sexy
04:42 < gnupluslinux> im still tryna figure a gaston style song for stallman
04:42 < misspwn> nana the linux part would trigger him, he's such a c h o d e irl
04:42 < gnupluslinux> you take that back
04:43 < gnupluslinux> rms is a god amongst men and can do no wrong
04:43 < misspwn> he wouldn't come to our LUG meeting unless we changed our name to GNU[insert location user group here]
04:43 < gnupluslinux> you joke but i honestly wouldn't put that past him
04:43 < gnupluslinux> guy's a dick
04:44 < misspwn> i'm forreal, he did a thing in minneapolis and we tried but he's like nah so then when i spoke to him he's like fuck linus, here's an xxxl gnu shirt with titdirt stains
04:46 < rhqq> anyone using freeipa?
04:47 < javi404> can anyone recomend a good camera system so I can throw nest away in the garbage?
04:52 < JollyRgrs> javi404: i like zoneminder for the software... then just toss some good ip cams its way
04:52 < javi404> JollyRgrs: any IP cam's you recomend? Can I run that in a VM
04:52 < javi404> I have 10TB of storage available so makes no sense to pay for nest cloud stuff.
04:52 < JollyRgrs> yes, you can run it in VM
04:53 < JollyRgrs> nothing i can really recommend
04:53 < JollyRgrs> i'm in the market for some good ones... that are cheap
04:53 < JollyRgrs> find both for me and let me know pls
04:53 < xe0n> can you recommend something to get for lunch?
04:53 < javi404> same here.
04:53 < javi404> xe0n: tacos
04:54 < MillerBOSS> javi404 👉 I have over 50 of these https://www.amazon.com/HIKVISION-International-DS-2CD2042WD-I-Firmware-Upgradeable/dp/B012IE4GNC and 6 installs of ZoneMinder running in VMs on ESXi
04:55 < javi404> MillerBOSS: oh, 50 cams, damn.
04:55 < javi404> nice
04:55 < MillerBOSS> But if I could do it again I would get these https://www.amazon.com/HIKVISION-Megapixel-Outdoor-Surveillance-DS-2CD2342WD-I/dp/B01EN3YBZ4
04:55 < MillerBOSS> Or the 4mm
04:55 < MillerBOSS> On that page
04:56 < javi404> that looks great.
04:56 < MillerBOSS> Research Make sure you understand your mm https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+mm+meaning&source=lnms&tbm=isch
04:56 < javi404> any wifi cams?
04:56 < MillerBOSS> I wired all mine even though Wi-Fi is an option.
04:57 < MillerBOSS> Because you gotta run power to it anyway
04:57 < MillerBOSS> So PoE
04:58 < javi404> MillerBOSS: got it, MM is distance you can see a human face etc.
04:58 < MadCamel> heh just make sure to put them on an internet-less vlan or subnet. those chinacams phone home hardcore
04:58 < javi404> found a chart thanks to your link.
04:58 < MillerBOSS> Also these are neat if you don't want to get a PoE switch https://www.amazon.com/WS-POE-8-48v60w-Passive-Ethernet-Injector-Cameras/dp/B0086SQDMM/
04:58 < javi404> MillerBOSS: yeah, might as well go PoE
04:58 < MillerBOSS> Yeah for the most part.
04:58 < javi404> MillerBOSS: how are the turrets controlled 2nd camera link you sent?
04:58 < javi404> MillerBOSS: I have a PoE switch looking for a job to do, so cameras would be it.
04:59 < MillerBOSS> You can control it via their software but you can do this in ZoneMinder
04:59 < MadCamel> also zoneminder++ .. old, crusty, but gets the job done and is rock stable
04:59 < MillerBOSS> Then all my users that need camera access use http://pliablepixels.github.io/ mobile and desktop
04:59 < javi404> nice
05:00 < MillerBOSS> That dev is in #zoneminder here on freenode
05:00 < javi404> free and open source, love it.
05:00 < javi404> thanks joining that now
05:00 < MillerBOSS> :)
05:00 < MillerBOSS> Is this for work or home?
05:00 < javi404> thanks guys, and thanks MillerBOSS I owe you a beer.
05:01 < javi404> bye bye nest!!!
05:01 < MillerBOSS> You are welcome.
05:01 < rhqq> hi MillerBOSS
05:01  * MillerBOSS waves
05:01 < gnupluslinux> wasnt there a thing recently about the hikvision/china cams phoning home?
05:01 < MillerBOSS> Sure but you just disable that feature
05:01 < rhqq> iot this shit ;p
05:02 < MillerBOSS> Also I keep the cams behind a firewall
05:02 < MillerBOSS> Disable UPNP
05:02 < Casteil> hmm.. not as much of a weight difference as I thought between my current Latitude 7470 and the XPS 15 I'm waiting for
05:02 < Casteil> my latitude is 3.8 lbs, the xps is 4.5... I was thinking my latitude was more like 3.2
05:02 < rhqq> well, i even keep my vacuum in an isolated wlan
05:02 < gnupluslinux> does that keep them from phoning home? you blocking outbound connections from the cams?
05:02 < MillerBOSS> That should be off on the edge device/router/firewall/what ever you got else the devices can open ports on their own
05:03 < MadCamel> I check my network for phone-homes. The worst offender is the netgear router. When left with unrestricted internet access, as it would have in most environments, that thing moves tens of megabytes of data a day out to some AWS server somewhere.
05:03 < rhqq> Casteil: check out new latitudes 73xx series
05:03 < rhqq> they're sexy, 14" screens packed into slightly smaller form
05:03 < javi404> or create VLAN just for cameras
05:03 < Casteil> rhqq: I need a bit more of a power house
05:03 < javi404> which is what I intend to do
05:03 < Casteil> (the XPS 15s are sexy too :P)
05:03 < MillerBOSS> VLAN, of course.
05:03 < rhqq> if you're keen of your nostrils, sure
05:03 < rhqq> i'd rather have a normal webcam
05:04 < rhqq> also 74xx and 73xx latitudes are pretty much the same if it comes to internals
05:04 < MillerBOSS> Good question, gnupluslinux. I actually country block in the SonicWALL
05:04 < rhqq> if i wasnt filled with fanboy type hatred towards intel i'd upgraded already
05:04 < Casteil> rhqq: exactly, best you can do is the 8650U
05:04 < Casteil> my XPS 15 will have the hexacore 8750H
05:04 < rhqq> oh
05:05 < rhqq> didnt know that
05:05 < Casteil> http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8650U/m470418vsm353957 < pretty significant deal faster :P
05:05 < rhqq> personally im waiting for lattitude 5495 with ryzen7 pro
05:05 < rhqq> (but damn, i wish they had 5395 series............)
05:05 < rhqq> im into smaller sizes ;-)
05:05 < Casteil> 7390 is fairly slick looking though for sure
05:06 < rhqq> curently im running on 7250, sexy af
05:06 < Casteil> same thickness as the XPS 15 but 12 x 8.2 and 2.6lb "starting weight"
05:06 < MadCamel> I don't have them on their own vlan, but anything >x.x.x.200 on my network is filtered from internet access. I just setup static dhcp leases for the iot devices in that range and poke their local API with scripts to get things done
05:06 < rhqq> 7390 is same size as my 7250
05:06 < MadCamel> what gets me.. is that some of these devices don't have a local API anymore. none whatsoever.
05:06 < rhqq> they just maxed out the screen
05:07 < Casteil> the Precision 5-series are thin/sexy as hell too
05:07 < Casteil> they haven't been updated to gen8 yet though
05:07 < Casteil> but they'll probably get the i7-8750 and the slightly better i9 too
05:07 < Casteil> Precision 5520 is .44" thick lol
05:08 < rhqq> ugh, and in normal units?
05:08 < rhqq> 1.11
05:08 < rhqq> not bad
05:08 < Casteil> shit's super expensive though, the 'entry' model is $1400 and it's just a 7300HQ with a HDD and 8GB of ram
05:09 < Casteil> oddly enough the XPS 15 was an easier sell to my boss
05:09 < Casteil> ~$1550 vs $2000-2500 for a comparable Precision laptop
05:09 < rhqq> well, i have no cost boundaries, but then there are very little laptops that fit my requirements...
05:09 < xe0n> i got an x1 yoga for work the other day, it's meh
05:10 < Casteil> XPS 15 is thinner and just a hair deeper/wider than my 7470 :)
05:11 < rhqq> i'd rather stay at or below 13"...
05:11 < Casteil> well, nice thing about the xps 15 is that the chassis is about as small as you can get for the sceren size
05:11 < rhqq> how about battery longevity
05:12 < rhqq> i've heard from various (confirmed) places that they die quickly (less than a year)
05:12 < Casteil> e7470 is 13.19" wide by 9.13" deep.. XPS 15 is 14.06 x 9.27"
05:12 < xe0n> deep...
05:12 < rhqq> how much is that in football stadiums? ;p
05:13 < rhqq> i have no idea how big is that ;p
05:13 < MadCamel> my xps15's going on 4 years now, battery still gives me 4-5 hours a day down from about 8. The machine's been easy to service and maintain except for keyboard replacement. 9/10 would buy again.
05:13 < Casteil> sure.. not as small as the latitude 7390 which is 12 x 8.19"
05:13 < rhqq> we're in xxi century, we send rockets to space and they use metric system ;p
05:13 < rhqq> even american rockets
05:13 < Casteil> rhqq: you know, you can convert units
05:14 < Casteil> MadCamel: Nice :)
05:14 < Casteil> I've heard few bad things about the XPS 15
05:14 < rhqq> yeah, but 8" is as odd to me as sating weight in stones
05:14 < Casteil> we get it, you're better than everyone else because you use different units
05:14 < rhqq> nah
05:15 < rhqq> your inches are set from metric system from 70s anyways
05:15 < rhqq> it's just a political choice from regan times
05:15 < MadCamel> oh.. I did have to get some vinyl cutouts to put over that stupid "soft touch" surface, my palms started to wear through it after the first year. Almost forgot I have this on there
05:16 < Casteil> MadCamel: other buddy of mine has an older xps too, last couple months I guess the battery's been shitting the bed
05:16 < rhqq> friend of mine was typical it at a company with 100+ xps 13"
05:16 < rhqq> various years
05:16 < rhqq> majority of batteries were dead within year
05:16 < MadCamel> guess I'm lucky.. will order battery warranty with my next heh
05:17 < rhqq> to the point they started to wear them out before warranty time to get new one replaced
05:17 < rhqq> that was a total pita
05:17 < rhqq> my latitudes battery after 2 years of heavy use is at 85%
05:17 < rhqq> but i've disabled quick charge
05:18 < Casteil> I feel like my E7470's battery is flagging a bit
05:18 < JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010LH48F4 does this look like that hikvision, just rebranded?
05:18 < Casteil> that said I've generally got visual studio and sql server mgmt studio running where I didn't before
05:18 < rhqq> Casteil: `acpi -bi`
05:19 < Casteil> I don't have it out
05:19 < rhqq> oh, windows
05:19 < rhqq> i like dell for its support though
05:19 < Casteil> JollyRgrs: >.> that reminds me, I still have 1 IP cam I haven't put up at my house
05:19 < JollyRgrs> pls to be sending?
05:19 < MadCamel> cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT1/manufacturer .. Mine's Simplo, has treated me well *shrug*
05:20 < MillerBOSS> JollyRgrs 👉 Kinda. There are so many vendors, knock offs etc.
05:20 < JollyRgrs> yeah
05:20 < JollyRgrs> that's why i have a hard time finding one i should get
05:20 < rhqq> MadCamel: Sanyo
05:20 < MadCamel> fancy!
05:21 < JollyRgrs> and all those hikvisions were int'l versions... is that what you got, or did you get US version?
05:21 < MillerBOSS> So did I when I settled on Hikvision. Make sure not to get the Chinese version. Meaning its not English
05:21 < MillerBOSS> Just make sure it has English else return it
05:22 < Casteil> been pretty happy with my LaView NVR+Cams from Newegg
05:22 < MillerBOSS> I got 4 sitting here that I have yet taken time to "reflash" from guides on the Internets
05:22 < Casteil> $300 for 4 cams (two 1080p and two 3MP) and the NVR,
05:23 < JollyRgrs> i'd love an NVR with PoE ports on it... that also allowed me to hook up zoneminder to it
05:23 < MillerBOSS> 4 of the Chinese versions I mean. It had English firmware but when I went to upgrade it was only Chinese. These are legit Hikvision but its Chinese vendors trying to sell cheaper and make sales
05:23 < Casteil> best part is the NVR has PoE onboard so I don't have to have my cams hogging my PoE ports
05:23 < nojeffrey> Would a 7th gen Celeron for a FreeNAS box/plex server that can handle 2-3 simultaneous 720p streams work?
05:23 < Casteil> JollyRgrs: you might want to keep an eye on LaView @ Slickdeals: https://slickdeals.net/newsearch.php?src=SearchBarV2&q=laview&searcharea=deals&searchin=first
05:24 < Casteil> tbh... not even sure where I should put the 4th cam
05:24 < rhqq> bedroom
05:24 < MillerBOSS> Also javi404 JollyRgrs etc https://www.ubnt.com/unifi-video/unifi-nvr/ is out there with https://www.ubnt.com/products/#unifivideo I needed more space and wanted 4MP etc
05:24 < JollyRgrs> yeah, i'm a ubnt fan.... but not sure if i want to go that route... i don't think it'll be small change
05:25 < MillerBOSS> I know a local guy that runs em and loves em
05:26 < MillerBOSS> Also hikvision has software NVR etc but I just chose ZoneMinder instead
05:26 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/ekGfWCI.png
05:27 < Casteil> I think I'd like to get the 4th one pointing off to the left side of my driveway but it's tricky
05:27 < bomb> i thought you're an Ubuntu one and you're shy about it when you say "ubnt", JollyRgrs
05:27 < bomb> s/one/fan/
05:27 < JollyRgrs> huh?
05:27 < JollyRgrs> lol
05:28 < JollyRgrs> no, i mean i'm not against ubuntu... but not a fanboi
05:28 < Casteil> but yeah, that's how the LaView video quality looks
05:28 < bomb> heh
05:28 < bomb> what's UBNT btw? i can't open the website now
05:28 < bomb> lens maker?
05:28 < JollyRgrs> ubiquiti
05:28 < JollyRgrs> ubiquiti networks
05:29 < bomb> ah, security cams
05:30 < JollyRgrs> well, they are mostly networking gear, esp wifi
05:30 < JollyRgrs> but yeah, they've expanded
05:30 < Casteil> I love me some Ubiquiti but their cams are expensive
05:30 < MadCamel> axis cams are even more expensive :/
05:30 < Casteil> NVR itself is more than I paid for my NVR + 4 cameras
05:30 < bomb> security cams is nice business because you can overcharge for webcams
05:31 < JollyRgrs> Casteil: that's what i was saying... too spensive
05:32 < Casteil> I don't know if I'd recommend the LaView stuff to someone who's not technically inclined, the UI is kinda annoying and you have to be pretty tedious to get the best results
05:32 < SleePy> GDPR has reminded me over the past few weeks how many sites i'm registered on
05:32 < Casteil> SleePy: haha..... right?
05:32 < MadCamel> thermal cameras are fun ..
05:33 < SleePy> Got about 2 dozen emails so far about updated tos
05:33 < Casteil> FLIR has a pretty neat handheld one out now
05:33 < Casteil> basically the size of a smartphoen
05:33 < Casteil> not super great resolution but it's not terribly expensive like they have been in the past either
05:34 < Casteil> https://www.amazon.com/FLIR-C2-Compact-Thermal-Imaging/dp/B00T9RANUC/
05:34 < admiralspark|afk> MillerBOSS: you around
05:34  * MillerBOSS is
05:34 < admiralspark|afk> sweet, ping me a discord code and I'll finally add it :P
05:36 < PacoSinbad> Anyone have a good method of cleaning out the junk in the Windows folder over the network on several workstations? That thing swells up and causes tons of problems...
05:36 < MillerBOSS> admiralspark|afk 👉 https://discord.gg/W4FjdC
05:36 < PacoSinbad> Mostly WinSxS and Installer
05:36 < MillerBOSS> Disk cleanup
05:36 < MillerBOSS> I also use http://www.homedev.com.au/free/patchcleaner
05:36 < JollyRgrs> PacoSinbad: i would advise first to understand what those folders are for before deleting
05:37 < MillerBOSS> CLI options available
05:37 < admiralspark|afk> sweet
05:37 < PacoSinbad> PatchCleaner I love, but I've had trouble running it over the network. I've used PsExec and it just never finished. You been able to run it remotely?
05:38 < MillerBOSS> I have not tried yet.
05:38 < PacoSinbad> I expected it to work with the switches I used, but it ran for like 24 hours before I realized it was still running and stopped it, heh.
05:39 < MillerBOSS> .exe  /d  - This will execute with the delete action.
05:39 < MillerBOSS> I haven't made time to try but is that what you are doing?
05:39 < PacoSinbad> That's what I used. I'll mess with it some more tomorrow at work.
05:39 < Hunterkll> PacoSinbad, use the officialll MS kb on sxs clleanup
05:39 < Hunterkll> don't do anything else
05:40 < Hunterkll> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/clean-up-the-winsxs-folder
05:40 < PacoSinbad> Almost summer so no kids or teachers. Plenty of time to touch each machine, but I don't want to.
05:40 < Hunterkll> you don't have to ...
05:41 < PacoSinbad> Actually, I think it was the dism.exe method from MS that ran for 24 hours. I remember the Patchcleaner method not working, but I don't remember how it went. I'll read back through the MS docs and try to regroup.
05:53 < rhqq> gnight guys
05:54 < misspwn> night rhqq
05:57 < m4221> Hey misspwn
05:59 < misspwn> sup boo
05:59 < misspwn> i need to put these oreo thins away
06:00 < misspwn> it's a slippery slope
06:05 < mirri> Hello there!
06:14 < vader-> uhg: I have to migrate someone from godaddy O365 to straight MS O365... Using migration wiz... I can log into the source destination with user@domain.com, but can't login with user@godaddy#.onmicrosoft.com
06:21 < mirri> So, I'm not sure if this is the right place to even ask, but I've recently become the de-facto admin of a server and local network at my town's movie theater
06:22 < MillerBOSS> Don't pirate the movies.
06:22 < MillerBOSS> You'll straight to jail. :P
06:22 < mirri> When I started working here as a projectionist today, I discovered the server was absolutely infested with viruses
06:22 < mirri> Really ugly shit, rootkit and all
06:22 < MillerBOSS> Are movies on the machine?
06:22 < MillerBOSS> Or is it only reels?
06:22 < MillerBOSS> Just curious
06:23 < mirri> Well, that's what this server was originally intended for, but instead the drives with the movies have been getting popped into the local machine at each projector
06:23 < mirri> The sata protocol on those machines is much newer and transfers much faster
06:23 < MillerBOSS> I would be willing to bet those movies are being siphoned from the network then right?
06:24 < mirri> More than likely
06:24 < MillerBOSS> Blow it away and start fresh?
06:24 < mirri> I contacted the closest thing they had to a sysadmin, the electrician that set everything up
06:24 < mirri> He gave me the go ahead for a full nuke of the server, and I've done that, installed linux
06:24 < MillerBOSS> Good
06:25 < mirri> Now, before I nuked everything, there were local connections between this server and all the other machines
06:25 < MillerBOSS> Windows machines?
06:26 < mirri> yeah,,,,
06:26 < mirri> ah shit, gotta go help a customer
06:26 < mirri> 1 sec
06:26 < MillerBOSS> Right so probably Windows Domain
06:26 < MillerBOSS> Sure
06:27 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c&feature=youtu.be
06:27 < MillerBOSS> I thing its time to have layer-eight be +v now
06:28 < MillerBOSS> And think
06:29 < vader-> customer needs more butter for their popcorn :-)
06:30 < mirri> nah, just neeeded to know showtimes for tomorrow
06:30 < mirri> lol
06:32 < mirri> So I found this
06:32 < mirri> https://imgur.com/gallery/HgEKRW7
06:32 < PrincessZoey> well that's odd.
06:32 < PrincessZoey> I don't think I'll be using that plugin anymore on my blog.
06:33 < PrincessZoey> I just re-enabled w3totalcache and it completely crashed my server.
06:33 < PrincessZoey> not just my blog but no sites on my server (even basic html/css ones) will load, and it's not letting me SSH in
06:33 < MillerBOSS> Wow look who is back
06:33 < PrincessZoey> yeah.
06:33 < MillerBOSS> We are still here with out own sausage fest
06:33 < MillerBOSS> our*
06:33 < PrincessZoey> two biggest news things from me: I got fired, and I'm moving next month.
06:34 < MillerBOSS> But how about .... and ...?
06:34 < MillerBOSS> What experience do you have mirri with the Windows "stuff"? Do you need help or just advice?
06:35 < PrincessZoey> huh? oh my office problems?
06:35 < mirri> I'm honestly not sure at this point...
06:35 < MillerBOSS> Not even close, PrincessZoey
06:35 < PrincessZoey> I work remotely, I have for over a decade and a half, but moving broke the last straw.
06:35 < PrincessZoey> my boss already cost herself $1500 she didn't need to spend and it's been a week and a half.
06:36 < mirri> If I'm connected to the other machines via LAN, how would I go about viewing those files?
06:36 < PrincessZoey> a week after I got fired her main office PC died. instead of doing the logical things such as 1) calling dell since it's still got years left on he warranty, or 2) sucking it up and asking me for help (which I'm still willing to do until I move) she just bought a brand new laptop.
06:37 < PrincessZoey> kinda wish I wasn't fired now. in a few years I could rescue it from ewaste and get me a kick ass gaming laptop.
06:37 < MillerBOSS> mirri 👉 Check PM
06:40 < PrincessZoey> Fuck you nginx
06:40 < PrincessZoey> why are you doing this again?
06:41 < Hunterkll> whew
06:41 < Hunterkll> almost done packing for acen
06:41 < Hunterkll> like 4 hours before i'm getting up to get my train to the airport
06:41 < Hunterkll> lulz
06:41 < PrincessZoey> is ACEN this weekend?
06:41 < Hunterkll> yes
06:41 < Hunterkll> why, got nothing better to do?
06:42 < PrincessZoey> no, I gotta pack and take care of personal bullshit
06:42 < Hunterkll> oh nice confirmation for my blizzcon ticket
06:42 < Hunterkll> lol
06:43 <+NinjaStyle> Boop
06:44 < precise> Beep
06:45 <+A-KO> oh hey
06:45 <+A-KO> waddup
06:45 < Hunterkll> lol
06:45 < Hunterkll> fuckin packin
06:46 < Hunterkll> A-KO, im gonna throw the shitty weird japanese candy i have at weebs and see if they maul each other
06:57 <+NinjaStyle> What's acen?
06:57 <+NinjaStyle> Some weird furry shit?
07:06 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDkqJuUYBaw
07:06 < xe0n> so good
07:09 < enix> putting together a threadripper build
07:09 < enix> I'm an intel guy, this might be my first AMD
07:10 < enix> Splurging on CPU, cheaping out on the rest, but need half alright graphics card
07:10 < enix> Sub $500
07:10 < enix> recommendations?
07:11 < xe0n> steamed hams
07:11 < enix> Hunterkll: you're a geek
07:11 < Hunterkll> enix, shit can probably find a 1070 or 1080 for that sub 500
07:11 < enix> Hunterkll: what do you reckon
07:12 < enix> No second hand brand new
07:12 < Hunterkll> that's what i'm saying...
07:12 < enix> oh
07:12 < enix> 10-4 good buddy
07:12 < enix> Wait... that bounty... s/good buddy//g
07:12 < enix> whats the ti
07:12 < enix> dw
07:13 < Hunterkll> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127945&cm_re=gtx_1080-_-14-127-945-_-Product
07:13 < Hunterkll> 1080 Ti is $700+
07:13 < Hunterkll> but that's $559
07:13 < enix> I forget you're american
07:13 < Hunterkll> for a regular 1080
07:13 < enix> $650 aud
07:13 < enix> for 1070
07:13 < nohusuro> Hunterkll: is it just me, or have you not been around for a while?
07:13 < Hunterkll> shit
07:13 < enix> 1080 starting at $750 *sigh*
07:13 < Hunterkll> if you're in 1050/1060 range
07:13 < Hunterkll> might as well get a used 980 Ti
07:13 < Hunterkll> because it'll beat those
07:13 < Hunterkll> used 980 Ti pushes the 1070 range, i think
07:13 < enix> hows the radeons performing?
07:13 < Hunterkll> lol
07:14  * enix doesnt know amd level shit
07:14 < Hunterkll> buy a used 980 Ti
07:14 < Hunterkll> it performs the same as a 1070
07:14 < Hunterkll> but is like $300 USD
07:14 < Hunterkll> or less
07:14 < Hunterkll> it's literally within 5% of the 1070 either way depending
07:14 < Hunterkll> it's better at CS:GO :p
07:14 < Hunterkll> http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3439vs3609
07:15 < enix> I dont think aussies even fucking sell it
07:15 < Hunterkll> it's not really on the market anymore
07:15 < Hunterkll> i did say used
07:15 < enix> Yeah they're about 400
07:15 < enix> or 499 for brand new 1060
07:15 < nohusuro> 1070 is just a bit more power efficient
07:15 < Hunterkll> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MSI-Golden-Edition-Gaming-6G-980-ti/163047029521?hash=item25f65c3b11:g:DBEAAOSwC~1a-VuU
07:15 < nohusuro> but you get fewer cores at a higher clock speed
07:15 < Hunterkll> enix, yea, 980 Ti willl spank the 1060 into submission and be equal to the 1070
07:15 < Hunterkll> lol
07:15 < enix> https://www.pccasegear.com/products/37152?gclid=Cj0KCQjwre_XBRDVARIsAPf7zZiGJ5LvjcagEVii4hbnyc7JfhSgdIuYYF2tYnho6G0EwgW3Cr-N1BgaAnWrEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
07:16 < enix> ...cheap
07:16 < Hunterkll> LOL
07:16 < Hunterkll> yes, if you want 800 series performance
07:17 < nohusuro> 980 also has more memory bandwidth per sec
07:17 < enix> Hunterkll: i just added tha tgolden edition to my watch list
07:17 < enix> i reckon it'll go for 800+ though
07:18 < Hunterkll> why?
07:18 < Hunterkll> it's a 980 Ti
07:18 < Hunterkll> you can buy a new 1070 that's more power effecient for less than that AUD$800
07:18 < enix> because this is australia
07:18 < enix> https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/rosebery/components/msi-gtx-980-ti-in-box-with-all-accessories-/1183048817
07:18 < Hunterkll> you said it yourself
07:18 < Hunterkll> that a 1070 is AUD $650
07:18 < Hunterkll> these cards are same spec
07:18 < Hunterkll> just one is more power hungry and does better at CS:GO
07:19 < Hunterkll> i prefer gigabyte if you can find it
07:19 < Hunterkll> transferrable warranty
07:19 < Hunterkll> enix, lulz, the 1050 Ti (better than what you linked) is slower than the GTX 970 by 62%
07:20 < xe0n> be funnier if it was 69%
07:20 < Hunterkll> enix, sold listings on ebay for 980 Ti's range from AUD $400 to AUD$550 from what I see
07:20 < enix> Okay, so with 1900X, ASRock X399 TR4, Crucial 1x16GB DDR4 2133, gtx 980 ti and corsair HX750 i'm sitting at 2k
07:20 < Hunterkll> averaging around $450
07:20 < Disconsented> 1900x with slow ass RAM?
07:20 < Hunterkll> slow ass ram?
07:21 < Hunterkll> why
07:21 < Hunterkll> when i built my rig in 2015 2133 was all I could get 16GB sticks in!
07:21 < Disconsented> its the lowest clocked RAM you can buy for DDR4
07:21 < Hunterkll> I am going to upgrade to 3000 at some point for overclocking though
07:21 < enix> recommend better
07:21 < Disconsented> on a platform where it matters more
07:21 < Hunterkll> but i can only get 3000 or 3200 at best for DDR4 in 16GB sticks
07:21 < enix> it's been a while for me
07:21 < Disconsented> 3GHz+ is staple for Zen
07:21 < Hunterkll> in the brand i want anyway
07:21 < Disconsented> 1900x however is a bit of a poor joke, its useful for a PCIe box and not much more
07:21 < Hunterkll> though, to be fair, for a budget box, it doesn't really matter at all
07:21 < Hunterkll> lol
07:21 < Disconsented> the 2700x is faster
07:22 < Hunterkll> none of that fucking matters compared to the GPU lol
07:22 < Hunterkll> and if a single 980 Ti is the best he can get, cheaping out on the rest doesn't really matter
07:22 < nohusuro> 1900X only supports max mem speed of 2557MHz
07:22 < nohusuro> 2667*
07:23 < Hunterkll> yea, i mean, DDR4 of past 3000 is pretty pricey as fuck
07:23 < Disconsented> nohusuro> Without XMP sure
07:23 < Disconsented> 980ti is a good 12% slower than a 1070 btw
07:23 < Disconsented> https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1070/24.html
07:23 < enix> Maybe I should go back to intel..
07:23 < Hunterkll> Disconsented, depends on game, a lot of common titles will hit higher framerates
07:23 < Disconsented> Check the graphs
07:23 < Hunterkll> http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-1070/3439vs3609 <-- using real world benchmark data
07:24 < Disconsented> Userbenchmark is not real world lol
07:24 < Disconsented> its a bunch of chumps
07:24 < Hunterkll> it is
07:24 < Disconsented> enix> What is this actually for?
07:24 < Hunterkll> i've submitted every HW combo i've ever owned
07:24 < Hunterkll> :P
07:24 < Disconsented> Case in point
07:24 < Hunterkll> but 'relative performance' is bullshit
07:24 < enix> Disconsented: gaming/streaming
07:24 < Disconsented> You're welcome to go through all the games you have there Hunterkll and see the non summerised results
07:25 < Disconsented> in an actually controlled enviroment by people who have a clue
07:25 < Disconsented> enix> 2700x makes more sense for that, still 8 cores but across 1 die
07:25 < Hunterkll> i'm seeing no games i'm actually familiar with
07:25 < Hunterkll> lol
07:25 < Disconsented> Faster between stock clocks and the small IPC gain due to PR's cache improvements
07:25 < Disconsented> and the motherboards arnt $300+
07:25 < Hunterkll> Disconsented, but even so, he can get a 980 Ti for $450 AUD or a 1070 for $650 AUD
07:26 < Hunterkll> which one's better for a budget build, eh? Especiallyl if the performance difference on most games is +/- 5% either way
07:26 < enix> Disconsented: I was going 1900x because it's a tr4 socket processer that I can upgrade later
07:26 < Disconsented> you can upgrade the 2700x later as well
07:26 < enix> Hunterkll: do you rate your i9?
07:26 < Hunterkll> haven't done anything to it since i installed it really
07:26 < enix> Disconsented: oh true pirces are about same
07:26 < Disconsented> Hunterkll> Im not saying the 1070 is a better buy, I just like people having an accurate picture
07:27 < Hunterkll> I still maintain it's within 5% which other reviews do also mention
07:27 < Hunterkll> both + and -
07:27 < enix> brb the chilli i ate at lunch is kicking in.
07:27 < Hunterkll> depending on application
07:27 < Disconsented> cause 36% more $$$ isnt worth 12%
07:28 < Hunterkll> i mean
07:28 < Hunterkll> my cpu isn't worth $2000
07:28 < Hunterkll> but i bought it anyway
07:28 < Hunterkll> XD
07:28 < Hunterkll> .... and i might have to RMA it again toio
07:28 < Hunterkll> *too
07:29 < Hunterkll> freezing symptoms from when i had to RMA it last time just started appearing, not sure what's up .... but it'll freeze when i leave it under lload aftewr a few days without touching it
07:29 < Hunterkll> nohusuro, and i've been busy. Was in lake tahoe last weekend, LA the weekend before that, etc
07:30 < Hunterkll> chicago tomorrow
07:32 < Disconsented> enix> What do you have now?
07:32 < Hunterkll> a potato
07:33 < Hunterkll> yea, looks like the best i can ugrade to is 3200 from my 2133 sticks
07:33 < Hunterkll> at $266 a stick
07:34 < Hunterkll> http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ble16g4d32aeea
07:38 < enix> Disconsented: literally nothing
07:38 < enix> A Dell XPS 12
07:39 < enix> Don't know what happened by my last machine fried itself
07:39 < enix> Sold it off, been meaning to buy something. Really, I just want to spend like $1,200 AUD, was just doing a TR build to see how much it would be
07:40 < Hunterkll> get a 1080 Ti
07:40 < Hunterkll> and then a core 2 duo with a PCIe slot off freecycle
07:40 < Hunterkll> and upgrade over time
07:40 < Hunterkll> :p
07:40 < Hunterkll> "What's in your gaming rig?" "Oh I got a 1080 Ti, Samsung SSD, Core 2 Duo, 16GB ram..." " Nic.... wat"
07:41 < Hunterkll> "Yea dude it gets like 100 fps in CS:GO!"
07:42 < voidstar> sounds like my r710 that runs a garry's mod server
07:42 < Disconsented> enix> https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/nqRmr6 drop the 2700x to a 2600x to save some $$$
07:43 < Hunterkll> fuck that move to america to save some $$$
07:43 < Disconsented> then deal with lord orange wanker?
07:43 < Disconsented> How about nah
07:44 < Hunterkll> Average lifespan of US male: 77
07:44 < Hunterkll> On average, the US presidency takes about 10 years off your lifespan
07:44 < Hunterkll> Current US presidents age: 71
07:44 < Hunterkll> you do the math
07:44 < Disconsented> >medical technology getting better
07:44 < Hunterkll> medical technology don't revert stress damage
07:44 < zerocool> is there a difference between `echo '' > ./file` and `cat /dev/null > ./file`, which is better?
07:44 < Hunterkll> and the average US lifespan has gone down
07:44 < Hunterkll> lol
07:44 < Hunterkll> we're the only top 10 country with a sub 80 year lifespan expectancy Disconsented
07:45 < Hunterkll> https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/21/health/us-life-expectancy-study/index.html
07:45 < Hunterkll> 2017 was the 2nd year in a row our life expectancy dropped
07:45 < Hunterkll> lololol
07:46 < enix> Disconsented: I quite like that. can save myself $56 by dropping the HDD as I already have two
07:46 < Disconsented> there ya go
07:46 < enix> Did you pop that together?
07:46 < Disconsented> Yep
07:46 < Disconsented> Took all of 5 minutes
07:46 < enix> Love ya work legend
07:46 < enix> thank you
07:46 < Disconsented> Anything for a cunt across the ditch ;)
07:46 < Hunterkll> did that recently for someone who wanted a ~$500 USD rig
07:46 < Hunterkll> got a AMD setup with integrated GPU that was good enough until he could get a dedicated card later
07:46 < Hunterkll> lol
07:47 < Hunterkll> the bigger of the two new Vega or whatever optoins
07:47 < Hunterkll> oh, yea, that's also an option too enix
07:47 < Disconsented> 2400g, Vega 11
07:47 < Disconsented> 2200g with Vega 8
07:48 < Hunterkll> slashes costs
07:48 < Disconsented> and preformance
07:48 < Disconsented> a lot
07:48 < hug> zerocool: "better"? Neither. They're functionally the same
07:48 < hug> You could also just do
07:48 < Hunterkll> depends on what he's pllaying
07:48 < Hunterkll> given what he's been on these days
07:48 < hug> `> ./file`
07:48 < Hunterkll> id' suspect it'd still be like triple performance
07:48 < Hunterkll> llol
07:49 < hug> zerocool: Unless you're just typing these by hand though, I'd go with the most explict method. (ie: The one that can't be mistaken for doing anything silly.)
07:49 < Hunterkll> what if he  is doing something silly though
07:50 < hug> Then he is bad and should feel bad.
07:52 < zerocool> how about an `rm -rf > /.`
07:53 < Hunterkll> Access is denied.
07:53 < Hunterkll> :o
07:53 < hug> zerocool: That doesn't do the same thing because it removes the file entirely.
07:53 < Hunterkll> 'rm' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
07:53 < Hunterkll> operable program or batch file.
07:53 < hug> Your first two examples remove the contents of the file but leave the file in place.
07:53 < hug> This one will remove the file, with side effects.
07:53 < zerocool> start c:\linux\system64\bash.exe --delete file:secrets
07:54 < MillerBOSS> Say it ain't so https://imgur.com/gallery/gzvSON5 Imgur with sound
07:55 < Hunterkll> could this be a lless shitty youtube?
07:55 < Hunterkll> lol
07:56 < Hunterkll> nah, it's a former redditor favorite that got so shitty reddit added their own hosting
07:56 < Hunterkll> wo't happen
07:56 < Hunterkll> migth be better for a week
07:58 < zerocool> i thought imgur was good
07:59 < zerocool> i never go there but when i do i guess i just remember why i dont
08:23 < aliases> morning
08:23 < plop> morning!!
08:23 < aliases> plop how are things around there today?
08:24 < plop> awesome. it is friday for me :D two free days coming
08:24 < Hunterkll> zerocool, imgur was far better when it had paid subscriptions for advanced shit and less ads, annoying javascript, and before they introduced that stupid fucking cat thing they ended up removing that swiped at your phone screen
08:24 < Hunterkll> etc
08:24 < Hunterkll> when they canceled my paid subscription and said all features free! unlimited photo storage! wooo .... i knew it was game over
08:24 < Hunterkll> only a matter of time now
08:25 < Hunterkll> till they're the new photobucket
08:25 < Hunterkll> but shittier
08:25 < aliases> yay, hooray for free days! I've tomorrow free too, so 3-day weekend incoming
08:26 < zerocool> photobucket, those were the days
08:26 < plop> well, that means i work on sunday
08:26 < plop> but yeah. it's fine
08:27 < enix> Disconsented: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/39t4sZ
08:27 < enix> What do you think about this setup
08:27 < Disconsented> Quite bad
08:28 < enix> A customer of mine runs a computer shop called ax86
08:28 < Disconsented> Board is garbage, PSU is junk, RAM is a lot slower than it really should be
08:28 < Disconsented> 120GB SSD really isnt enough anymore
08:28 < Hunterkll> eh
08:28 < enix> mobos about the same as what you put on
08:28 < Disconsented> 2200g is nice, case... Who cares
08:28 < aliases> plop: ouch, how is that?
08:28 < Hunterkll> my laptop has a 128GB SSD and a 1TB SSHD for my gaming laptop
08:28 < Disconsented> It really isnt
08:29 < Hunterkll> tbh i'd only buy gigabyte or asus boards anyway
08:29 < enix> Hang on let me adjust to what I'd ask for
08:29 < Hunterkll> and i have a preference for the asus ROG boards
08:29 < Disconsented> 2 dimm, feature destitute board with pretty mediocre VRM's
08:29 < Hunterkll> running a Rampage VI Extreme in mine
08:29 < enix> m2 worth it?
08:29 < plop> aliases, i work in a hotel. one week i work on sunday and i have free friday and saturday, next week i work on saturday and i'm free sunday and monday.
08:29 < Disconsented> M.2? 'Sure'
08:29 < Disconsented> PCIe/NVMe over SATA/AHCI? No
08:29 < Hunterkll> enix, not really, i mean, m.2 sata drive saves space, m.2 pcie nvme is super fast, but .... eh
08:29 < zerocool> i have like 32gb ssd and 128gb sd card for ~
08:29 < plop> yeah nvme
08:30 < Hunterkll> NVMe is great and all, but it's not necessary for something like what you use
08:30 < Disconsented> http://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed/5 it wont actually load things faster
08:30 < Disconsented> and well optane exists
08:30 < Hunterkll> me I pound the hoell out of my NVMe drive
08:30 < Hunterkll> I blow past SATA limits
08:30 < zerocool> i play `apt-get update` all day
08:30 < Hunterkll> but i'm also doing intensive SQL analysis work on password dumps and shit
08:30 < Disconsented> Sounds like you need optane instead
08:30 < Hunterkll> and have like 1TB databases i move onto the drive while working on them
08:30 < Hunterkll> lol 1TB optane
08:30 < Disconsented> You
08:31 < Disconsented> you'd need to do it tiered though
08:31 < enix> so why would m2 exist on a mobo then if no performance gain over a regular 2.5" ssd?
08:31 < Disconsented> form factor
08:31 < enix> Thought so
08:31 < Hunterkll> honestly I about halved my processing time moving to the 2TB 960 Pro
08:31 < Disconsented> There is a big paper benefit
08:31 < Disconsented> but the workloads that matters for? Bugger all
08:31 < zerocool> the bot is not based on debian
08:31 < Hunterkll> bandwidth intensive
08:31 < Hunterkll> i'm not really too latency sensitive, but i am bandwidth sensitive
08:32 < Hunterkll> well, they kind of go hand in hand
08:32 < Disconsented> Not really
08:32 < Hunterkll> once you max out your bandwidth, your latency goes up
08:32 < Hunterkll> sorta deal
08:32 < Disconsented> PCIe drives arnt really much better than SATA in terms of latency
08:32 < Hunterkll> I don't need the latency boost of tiering
08:32 < Hunterkll> onto optane or something
08:32 < Disconsented> And well.. Optane is legues ahead on latency but not really on bandwidth
08:32 < Hunterkll> Disconsented, right, that's what I meant - with the NVMe I can push more data at the same latency
08:33 < Hunterkll> so i don't get bottlenecked anymore
08:33 < Hunterkll> I do have one M.2 slot left, but i've never done non-transparent tiering with SQL
08:33 < enix> jesus fuck guys
08:33 < enix> that went from 0-100
08:33 < Hunterkll> don't know if it even can
08:33 < plop> Hunterkll, that seems a subreddit r/bottlenecked
08:33 < plop> i'd subscribe
08:33 < Hunterkll> loll
08:34 < Hunterkll> Disconsented, I also do video work on this rig too, so yea, and i can max out a 10gig nic doing file transfers, etc...
08:34 < Hunterkll> NVMe isn't wasted here
08:34 < Hunterkll> I just wish it wasn't so damn expensive
08:34 < Hunterkll> I want another two 2TB 960s :'(
08:36 <+A-KO> stop gambling all your money away lol
08:36 < zerocool> -_- root .bash_history shows admmin in mail server rm -rf a file
08:36 < Hunterkll> A-KO, that'd be true if i actually lost any of it
08:36 < Hunterkll> -_-
08:36 <+A-KO> lol
08:36 <+A-KO> brb installing 17672
08:36 < zerocool> like why is he allowed here
08:37 < Hunterkll> ah welll
08:37 < Hunterkll>  next big purchase is gonna be a 1D X Mark II
08:37 < Hunterkll> sell my hololens to help fund it
08:38 < plop> why a 1dx? do you sports?
08:38 < Hunterkll> 4K 60 FPS video
08:38 < Hunterkll> and full frame
08:38 < plop> yeah, FF is ok. i'm plain photographer, no video, so didn't thought about fps's
08:38 < Hunterkll> my dad had a 1D mark III or something and it wasn't full frame
08:38 < plop> yeah, that weird thing canon did. 1.3x
08:39 < Hunterkll> llots of people did
08:39 < Hunterkll> oh, i only shoot film now
08:39 < Hunterkll> i have a 5D Mark III for video
08:39 < Hunterkll> 1D X Mark II finally beats film in every single aspect now
08:39 < plop> i tossed my dslr in a cabinet and now i'm so happy with my ricoh GR
08:39 < Hunterkll> Did you know canon didn't even have a digital camera that could shoot as fast as their film cameras until 2016?
08:39 < Hunterkll> and that's why they kept selling the EOS 1V film camera until 2015
08:39 < Hunterkll> even though it came to market in 2000
08:40 < plop> didn't know :)
08:40 < Hunterkll> plop, and guess which camera took that title of the fastest? ;)
08:41 < plop> heh 1dx?
08:41 < Hunterkll> 1D X Mark II
08:41 < Hunterkll> :)
08:41 < Hunterkll> with 16 frame per second support
08:41 < plop> it is an awesome camera.
08:41 < Hunterkll> 1V had 10 fps with the booster pack
08:41 < plop> what kind of videos do you shoot?
08:41 < Hunterkll> not very many...
08:42 < Hunterkll> lol
08:42 < plop> do you shoot porn? :D
08:42 < enix> curious about origin not listing what mobo comes with theri $999 package
08:42 < Hunterkll> stuff people ask me to do, etc
08:42 < Disconsented> probably junk
08:42 < Hunterkll> plop, nah, i haven't even used it in like 8 months
08:42 < Hunterkll> and then that was for a concert for a band director i knew
08:43 < plop> nice
08:43 < Hunterkll> I find it hilarious to beet the shooting speed of a now $600-800 film camera on ebay, you have to buy a $6000 digital
08:43 < Hunterkll> lol
08:43 < Hunterkll> there's a few other things too
08:43 < Hunterkll> and some minor points about the sensor i'm meh about
08:43 < humpaxx> Hey folks!
08:43 < Hunterkll> but overalll, it finally fills all the check boxes
08:44 < plop> sup humpaxx
08:44 < humpaxx> Whats the name of that app that you can use as a smarthost/smtprelay so an app on the same box can use localhost as smtpserver without auth?
08:45 < Hunterkll> sendmail?
08:45 < humpaxx> ah yeah
08:45 < humpaxx> is it available for windose?
08:47 < humpaxx> I keep getting "Client was not authenticated to send anonymous mail during MAIL FROM" in some shitty oracle interface application and i figured i´d just use sendmail instead as a workaround
08:47 < Hunterkll> no clue
08:47 < Hunterkll> i mean, yes it is
08:47 < Hunterkll> but no clue about your thing
08:48 < Hunterkll> plop, oh, it does 120 fps 1080p video shooting too
08:48 < Hunterkll> :P
08:48 < Hunterkll> talk about ultra porn
08:48 < plop> Hunterkll, that is nice!
08:48 < Hunterkll> it has a fucking built in GPS unit
08:48 < Hunterkll> THAT TRACKS YOUR STEPS SO YOU CAN MAP WHERE YOU TOOK PICTURES
08:48 < Hunterkll> oh, and built in gigabit ethernet
08:48 < Hunterkll> :P
08:49 < plop> that comes handy. no more usb pain in the ass
08:49 < Hunterkll> CFast cards too
08:49 < Hunterkll> the new compact fllash format - it's SATA instead of IDE
08:49 < Hunterkll> and it supports dual cards - one cfast, one regular CF
08:50 < plop> for backup?
08:50 < Hunterkll> nah
08:50 < plop> raid1 style?
08:50 < Hunterkll> gotta have shitloads of space
08:50 < Hunterkll> regular CF is limited to UDMA-7 remember
08:50 < Hunterkll> it's IDE
08:50 < plop> right, right
08:50 < Hunterkll> CFast 2.0 is SATA3
08:50 < Hunterkll> 600MB/sec
08:51 < plop> what about lenses? holly trinity?
08:51 < Hunterkll> pffff
08:51 < Hunterkll> standard EOS mount lenses
08:51 < plop> i'm a wide angle kind of guy
08:51 < Hunterkll> i got a 75-300, 50mm fixed, and 28-80
08:51 < Hunterkll> or whatever the shitty starter is
08:51 < Hunterkll> i'm good
08:52 < plop> i feel comfortable from 24 to 35
08:53 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/1000mm-Manual-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B01AS7MBQ0/ref=sr_1_1?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1526539981&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_eight_browse-bin%3A6374512011
08:53 < Hunterkll> 87$ for a 500mm manual lens?
08:53 < Hunterkll> lolololl
08:53 < plop> haha yes. it's a classic
08:54 < Hunterkll> lol what the fuck
08:54 < plop> like this one https://photographylife.com/lenses/rokinon-800mm-f8-mirror
08:54 < plop> this one has a weird bookeh
08:54 < hug> > EOS mount
08:54 < hug> EF or EF-S matey potato.
08:55 < hug> also mirror lenses lol
08:55 < Hunterkll> wahtever
08:55 < hug> Hunterkll: No they're two different mounts.
08:55 < hug> EF-S lenses won't fit on EF mount.
08:55 < Hunterkll> i mean it to refer to non-EFs lesnses
08:55 < Hunterkll> i know
08:55 < Hunterkll> red dot vs white square
08:55 < Hunterkll> etc
08:55 < Hunterkll> white square doesn't exist in my world
08:55 < Hunterkll> it can go die
08:55 < plop> anyway. fucking morning meeting.. be back in some minutes
08:55 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: i dont think sendmail will do it, i need something that listens on a local port and then forwards the email
08:55 < Hunterkll> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bflIdKAlY
08:56 < Hunterkll> lol wtf
08:56 < Hunterkll> 83x optical zoom on a coolpix p900
08:56 < Hunterkll> that's rediculous
08:56 < Hunterkll> 2000mm zoom
08:57 < nohusuro> humpaxx: I missed what you're trying to do, but I hear port so I got excited. Plz explain to save me backlogging :D
08:57 < humpaxx> Thats just 2m
08:57 < Hunterkll> ....
08:58 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, do you ... understand how focal lengths work?
08:58 < nohusuro> yeah ok, I looked back
08:58 < nohusuro> just write your own program? :P
08:58 < humpaxx> nohusuro: basically i have this shit oracle application thats supposed to authenitcate while sending mail, but it doesn´t seem to do it. as a workaround i figure i´d run some middleware that lets me use localhost as the smtpserver and then the middleware auths to the mailserver and sends the email
08:58 < nohusuro> that'd be a few lines of python, or a few more lines of c#
08:58 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, why not just whitelilst the oracle app server ?
08:58 < Hunterkll> server's ip
08:58 < hug> Wait, so it starts at 24mm on a 1" sensor?
08:58 < Hunterkll> on your internal rellay/mail server
08:58 < hug> the poot
08:58 < Hunterkll> hug, I guess
08:58 < Hunterkll> it's retarded
08:58 < Hunterkll> but effective enough for casual use
08:59 < Hunterkll> https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/compact-digital-cameras/coolpix-p900.html
08:59 < nohusuro> humpaxx: have you packet sniffed to make sure it's trying to auth?
08:59 < hug> Oh equivalent.
08:59 < Hunterkll> and it has some weird mode that boosts it up to a 4000mm equiv
08:59 < Hunterkll> hug, think it's just using less of the sensor?
09:00 < hug> no.
09:00 < hug> Well the "weird mode" yes, that's just digital zoom.
09:00 < Hunterkll> Sensor Size
09:00 < Hunterkll> 1 / 2.3  in.
09:00 < hug> But it's a 1/2.3"
09:00 < hug> So it's about an 8x crop factor.
09:01 < hug> So the lens is actually probably more like
09:01 < hug> 4mm to 330mm
09:01 < hug> Or something.
09:01 < Hunterkll> supposedly it's equiv is 24 to 2000
09:01 < Hunterkll> but yea
09:01 < hug> Yeah.
09:01 < hug> 4*8 to 330*8
09:01 < hug> Basically.
09:01 < Hunterkll> seams like a neat toy
09:01 < hug> Or less. 300*8? Whatever, dude.
09:01 < Hunterkll> old though, wonder if they have a new version
09:01 < Hunterkll> P900 seems to be $600
09:08 < humpaxx> nohusuro: it problably isn´t
09:08 < humpaxx> but not i havent done a pcap yet, dont have any device in the middle that i can do it with atm
09:09 < nohusuro> humpaxx: can't run it on the machine running the app?
09:09 < nohusuro> or on the mail server?
09:09 < humpaxx> Its using 365
09:09 < humpaxx> o365
09:09 < nohusuro> right
09:10 < humpaxx> Oh yeah i can do a pcap on the clavister firewall
09:10 < nohusuro> is it not using TLS or anything?
09:16 < javi404> Casteil: that is exactly what I am looking to do at home.
09:16 < javi404> 4 corners
09:16 < humpaxx> nohusuro: I dont know how to read this, https://pastebin.com/nTVU88hG
09:19 < humpaxx> Doesn´t seem to auth, or is that part not included?
09:21 < donut_> Hm, any recommendations for russian VPS providers?
09:21 < humpaxx> donut_: you buying scetchy keys from g2play? :P
09:21 < donut_> need a few test servers to check out how our service is null-routed (ours is in aws), but no idea which ones
09:21 < donut_> which ones are even remotely reputable
09:23 < humpaxx> donut_: https://www.kinguin.net/vpn
09:23 < donut_> ukraine doesn't cut it
09:23 < donut_> has to be russia
09:24 < donut_> and that's a mobile app?
09:25 < donut_> not looking for a vpn, if that's what you answered for
09:26 < donut_> hmm actually why not
09:29 < humpaxx> nohusuro: pls respond
09:41 < nohusuro> humpaxx: sorry, was afk
09:42 < nohusuro> yeah, that doesn't look like it's sending AUTH at all
09:42 < nohusuro> usually AUTH comes after EHLO/HELO
09:43 < nohusuro> humpaxx: does the oracle appliance support TLS?
09:44 <+A-KO> I love when Explorer crashes
09:49 < humpaxx> nohusuro: Theres just a checkbox for SSL
09:49 < humpaxx> But this has been working previously and when it stopped working rebooting the machine magically makes it work
09:49 < nohusuro> well from that dump you sent, it's definitely not sending the AUTH commands
09:49 < nohusuro> maybe try re-setting up the SMTP auth on it
09:52 < nohusuro> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-to-set-up-a-multifunction-device-or-application-to-send-email-using-office-365-69f58e99-c550-4274-ad18-c805d654b4c4
09:52 < nohusuro> this says that TLS should be enabled if the client is connecting directly to o365
09:52 < nohusuro> otherwise you'll need to use a local relay
09:53 < nohusuro> if you need to do local relay, they have instructions on how to do it with iis https://support.office.com/en-us/article/how-to-configure-iis-for-relay-with-office-365-eb57abd2-3859-4e79-b721-2ed1f0f579c9
10:14 < PrincessZoey> well fuck you too kimsufi
10:17 < Hatsjoe> wowowowow
10:19 < PrincessZoey> was in the middle of getting a dedi and suddenly every single one they offered sold out
10:20 < Hatsjoe> why a dedi? just get a vpc
10:21 < Hatsjoe> s/vpc/vps
10:23 < nohusuro> PrincessZoey: which dedi were you getting?
10:24 < PrincessZoey> KS-3B Server - i5-750 - 16GB - 1x2To
10:24 < nohusuro> from where?
10:24 < PrincessZoey> Hatsjoe: cheaper than I'd pay for a dedi
10:24 < PrincessZoey> kimsufi/ovh
10:25 < nohusuro> PrincessZoey: checked these out? https://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server
10:26 < PrincessZoey> too rich for my blood
10:26 < nohusuro> say what, they're basically the same price
10:26 < PrincessZoey> it's a beefy server and I'd do it in a second if I could split resources
10:28 < PrincessZoey> $26 a month (with $13 setup) vs $50 a month with $60 setup?
10:28 < nohusuro> which server are you looking at?
10:28 < PrincessZoey> start 3-l
10:29 < PrincessZoey> 6c 12t 32gb ram and 2x 500gb ssd
10:30 < nohusuro> that has double the RAM and 2 SSD's in comparison to the KS-3B
10:30 < nohusuro> not really comparable
10:30 < PrincessZoey> for my current needs (and what I expect to add in the next 6 months) it's insanely overkill
10:31 < nohusuro> so why wouldn't you just get a smaller cheaper Start-2-S-SATA
10:31 < nohusuro> 4GB RAM, 1TB
10:31 < PrincessZoey> not worth switching over for that
10:31 < nohusuro> didn't realize you already had a server with kimsufi
10:32 < PrincessZoey> I signed up as I said that
10:33 < nohusuro> so they hadn't sold out?
10:33 < PrincessZoey> I got a VPS
10:39 < PrincessZoey> OVH was cheaper than I was paying for all my Vultr VPS's
10:39 < PrincessZoey> by a good chunk.
10:39 < PrincessZoey> 8gb of ram, 2 cores and 90gb of storage for just over half the price of vultr
10:47 < PrincessZoey> vultr wanted $50 a month for what I have now
10:49 < Hatsjoe> PrincessZoey: what are you going to do with it?
10:50 < PrincessZoey> run a few of my sites, and run some wordpress blogs for friends
10:50 < PrincessZoey> my current VPS was getting overloaded.
10:51 < Hatsjoe> How much traffic does it get that it gets overloaded due to some wordpress sites for friends?
10:51 < Popzi> What's a good lil linux package/software to livefeed cpu/network/disk usage anyone could recommend? So I can measure a vps-based website
10:53 < PrincessZoey> not overloaded on bandwidth, but ram and occasionally CPU
10:53 < PrincessZoey> and their stuff doesn't usually overload it. it's mine
11:11 < Reverend> MORNING nerds
11:20 < plop> sup Reverend
11:21 < Reverend> hows it going plop?
11:21 < plop> fine!
11:21 < Reverend> glad to hear
11:22 < plop> so, we're going to put some outdoor TV's at our beachclub and the guy asks me for the ethernet cabling where to. I showed him the patch pannel in the rack and i said: i don't car where they come from but they need to get to here.
11:22 < Reverend> So protip boys... make sure that you've got gloves on you before you do first aid with lots of bloods around.
11:22 < plop> and the maintenance guy: when are you doing it?
11:22 < Reverend> plop - lol. you have a beachclub?
11:22 < plop> me: cabling? you do it, or get a company to do it
11:23 < plop> Reverend, yeah. I work at a hotel :D
11:23 < Reverend> ohhhh
11:23 < Reverend> that makes sense
11:23 < Reverend> still plenty of XP around then? :P
11:23 < plop> nono, brand new. we opened last year. everything still shining
11:23 < Reverend> damn. GG.
11:24 < plop> it is not a big hotel and not a part of a chain
11:24 < Reverend> Our POS system (when I used to work at mcdonalds back int eh day) ran on XP, and had a handy USB port on the front of each POS machine./
11:24 < Reverend> proper security is proper
11:24 < plop> hehe
11:25 < Kayofeld> Hello there
11:25 < plop> hey Kayofeld
11:25 < Kayofeld> Not been here for a while
11:26 < Reverend> new job Kayofeld?
11:26 < Kayofeld> still the same people though :D
11:26 < Kayofeld> Reverend: yup
11:26 < Reverend> standard. Gotta get bedded in before you're seen to be chatting away with other losers on irc ;)
11:26 < ihre> .yt warcraft work work
11:26 < Reverend> ihre no
11:26 < ihre> lazy layer-eight
11:26 < ihre> ffs
11:26 < Reverend> layer-eight is FUBAR
11:26 < Kayofeld> Reverend: lol, with my workload, they better not piss me off or i'll leave XD
11:27 < Kayofeld> (nothing to do)
11:27 < plop> hey ihre, where's ceofreak? haven't seen him for a while
11:27 < Kayofeld> It's kind of frustrating
11:27 < ihre> plop: probably lost in the bavarian alps
11:27 < ihre> or kidnapped
11:27 < plop> hehe
11:27 < Kayofeld> ihre: let him leave your dungeon
11:27 < ihre> Never
11:28 < ihre> s/dungeon/sweatshop
11:28 < ihre> he's pretty good at making fake Nike shoes
11:28 < Kayofeld> let the money fall :D
11:29 < Kayofeld> rain*
11:31 < Kayofeld> plop: sysadmin in a shiny hotel ?
11:37 < ihre> actually a waiter
11:37 < ihre> but you know, appearances
11:41 < plop> Kayofeld, YEP :d
11:41 < plop> :D
11:44 < new_student> Hey guys, could you recommend a tool in linux to sync a folder full or artifacts to multilple machines such that the sync is not like a cron job, but happens as and when a any file is delete/added/modified in the original source?
11:44 < new_student> s/or/of
11:47 < ihre> rsync?
11:48 < ihre> nvm, that cant be tied to something like changed files iirc, maybe csync2 and lsyncd
11:48 < ihre> https://icicimov.github.io/blog/devops/File-system-sync-with-Csync2-and-Lsyncd/
11:49 < ihre> although
11:49 < ihre> https://bartsimons.me/sync-folders-and-files-on-linux-with-rsync-and-inotify/
11:49 < ihre> seems a lot easier than csync2 and lsyncd ^^
11:52 < Hatsjoe> Being in calls with Indians couple times a day for each day the last couple weeks, I feel like I start to understand hindi lol
11:52 < Hatsjoe> Cuz whatever they are speaking in those calls, its not just English
11:52 < new_student> 0.o
11:52 < Hatsjoe> It usually starts in English but towards the end of the senteces, it becomes less and less clear
11:53 < new_student> Which part of India?
11:53 < Hatsjoe> idk, all parts? They are remote, no clue where from.
11:53 < new_student> Trust me, don't generalize on the basis of that.
11:53 < jumi> morning
11:54 < Hatsjoe> sup jumi
11:54 < jumi> sup Hatsjoe
11:54 < ihre> moin
11:54 < jumi> appartment hunting during work hours basically
11:55 < Hatsjoe> sounds good, where jumi? A'dam?
11:55 < jumi> Madrid
11:55 < Hatsjoe> Finally decided to move to the promised land?
11:55 < plop> how are prices in madrid?
11:55 < Hatsjoe> Hehe
11:55 < jumi> market is fucking crazy right now
11:55 < jumi> hahaha no I landed a job here two months ago and I'm not planning on moving anytime soon
11:55 < Hatsjoe> Haha
11:55 < Hatsjoe> jumi: you land a new job each month :P
11:56 < ihre> about that, enjoying your current position jumi/
11:56 < ihre> ?*
11:58 < ihre> hmm, i made a git branch a while ago, moved back to master, but now i'd like to find out from which commit i've created that branch to check some diffs, is that even possible?
12:00 < Hatsjoe> ihre: Once its merged back into master and the source branch is gone, I dont think you can
12:01 < ihre> its not merged back yet, just local, so i guess its retrievable, gonna dig a bit
12:04 < PrincessZoey> well, I regret OVH already. their panel is totally useless to me.
12:04 < PrincessZoey> I clicked reinstall my VPS and now I can't do anything
12:05 < new_student> thanks for the link to the blog post ihre
12:05 < PrincessZoey> doing anything on the panel gives me an error, but I can SSH in and do everything
12:07 < jumi> Hatsjoe: hahaha kinda
12:07 < jumi> ihre: yeah pretty much
12:08 < jumi> still lots of shit to do but it's getting better by the day
12:24 < ihre> pff, i've been prescribed a bunch of meds for an issue with a joint in my foot and the side effects are pretty strong :\
12:28 < ihre> jumi: thats nice though, took you a while ^^
12:49 < L3gacy> Good bacon unto all and unto all some good bacon!  #Just7aramThings
12:53 < jumi> ihre: certainly did!
13:09 < Hatsjoe> ihre: are you seeing pink elephants and stuff like that?
13:09 < plop> oneplus 6 looks amazing
13:10 < ihre> Hatsjoe: its not LSD :P
13:10 < ihre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcZUPDMXzJ8
13:10 < ihre> i'd like to think that is where that phrase originated from :p
13:17 < Hatsjoe> Hahaha
13:17 < Hatsjoe> That shit is awesome, I forgot all about it
13:17 < Hatsjoe> Nostalgia :D
13:23 < jumi> ihre: that scene freaked me out as a kid
13:23 < Hatsjoe> I was playing it on full blast here in the office, got funny looks
13:27 < ny0x> atlassian charges for SAML separately
13:27 < ny0x> wtf
13:28 < ihre> "value added services" -> fuck you, pay me
13:31 < ny0x> its recurring too, per user. ADP had a flat one time fee
13:41 < humpaxx> Man i could fall asleep any minute
13:42 < humpaxx> Have a skype meeting with someone about a cloud solution in 20 mins tho
13:43 < Thebe> So better not then. It's a rather slow day here too. Not as in; there isn't much to do. Just not anything challenging.
13:52 < humpaxx> 8 min until skymeeting
13:53 < humpaxx> stay stay stay stay , stayin´awake
13:54 < jaelae> i like tickets like this - please move our environment to aws
13:55 < jaelae> we do not have any production environments in aws which means nothing there would be routable so it is a very odd request
13:55 < FenJai> Its thursday my dudes
13:55 < jaelae> but they seem very confident in us being able to get it done
13:55 < jaelae> thursday is not a bad day
14:03 < FenJai> yaaaay mixing windows and linux permissions
14:03 < FenJai> Linux permissions says a group has full admin access, however the windows ACL says no
14:04 < FenJai> So now Im applying windows permissions and its taking the usual decade to apply them to a few mill files and folders
14:05 < m3point14> CIFS - icky stuff
14:22 <@cryptic1> morning
14:29 < FenJai> Whats +r ?
14:29 < m3point14> seems like registered channel
14:30 < ihre> not authed = not welcome
14:30 < m3point14> ah .. my bad. Thanks!
14:33 < Bru-> noo
14:33 < Bru-> my lenovo desktop wont pass PCIe control to OS :(((
14:33 < Bru-> that blows discrete device assignment out of the water
14:33 < Bru-> poop
14:34 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:34 < Bru-> gluten dag
14:37 < Bru-> https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8jxxxn/senate_votes_in_favor_of_overturning_fcc_on_net/
14:37 < Bru-> woo
14:37 < FenJai> old.reddit ?
14:38 < asimon> Puts it in the legacy layout
14:38 < FenJai> Thank fuck. I dont like this new one
14:38 < Bru-> now onto the house
14:38 < Bru-> me neither
14:40 < ihre> i wonder how long they'll keep old.reddit alive though, inb4 redirect or unresolvable :p
14:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> mornin fellas
14:41 < asimon> Good morning
14:41 < ProdigalTim> anyone know of a fix for macbooks trying to RDP into a windows server after all these latest updates?
14:41 < ProdigalTim> 0x204 error
14:43 < xe0n> ProdigalTim: ms haven't released an update to remote desktop?
14:43 < FenJai> Post gdpr:
14:43 < FenJai> Have you got an email address for that gdrp auditor ?
14:43 < FenJai> Yes
14:44 < FenJai> Can you send it to me ?
14:44 < FenJai> No
14:44 < xe0n> loll
14:45 < JollyRgrs> newegg can suck my cock
14:46 < JollyRgrs> email said i can get a dji spark for $40
14:46 <@Code_Man65> What did they do to you this time JollyRgrs?
14:46 < JollyRgrs> no... after applying promo code, it takes OFF $40 from the $439.99 price
14:46 < Anaphylaxis> lol you sure it didn't say $40 off?
14:46 < vinrock> 40 bucks off is pretty rad
14:46 < JollyRgrs> but the ad clearly says $40 (LIGHTNING SALE!!!)
14:46 < vinrock> hm
14:46 < JollyRgrs> Anaphylaxis: yeah, i triple checked
14:47 < vinrock> archive.is the page and lawyer up
14:47 < JollyRgrs> the ad was a typo
14:47 < vinrock> YOU GOT THIS
14:47 < JollyRgrs> vinrock: yeah b/c lawyer will totally be cheaper than the savings
14:47 < vinrock> that's too much thinking
14:47 < JollyRgrs> and not like there's already a history of mis-ads where they don't ship and cancel the order
14:48 < vinrock> i never got anything on those fuck up listings, just cancelled orders
14:48 < vinrock> i almost got a minn kota trolling motor off amazon for $90
14:48 < vinrock> well, almost as in i thought i bought it but it was just cancelled on me
14:49 < SpookyCrisp> Morn all
14:50 < Bru-> morn
14:51 < Bru-> put in my criminal background paperwork
14:52 < SynMonger> anything good on it?
14:52 < Bru-> just criminal stuff
14:52 < Bru-> the usual assault and battery
14:52 < JollyRgrs> Bru-: did you put in for that felony you got b/c you knocked out some mailboxes?
14:52 < Bru-> felony murder
14:52 < Bru-> piddly shit
14:52 < giant_it_burrit> ah
14:52 < Bru-> :D
14:52 < giant_it_burrit> hoodrat stuff you did with your friends
14:52 < Bru-> nah
14:53 < Bru-> new job paperwork
14:53 < Bru-> although its weird an MSP doesnt require drug test
14:53  * Bru- shrugs
14:53  * Bru- lights up a joint
14:53 < SynMonger> almost as if they expect you to do what you have to
14:54 < humpaxx> anyone here using Intune to manage computers?
14:54 < giant_it_burrit> no but id like to
14:54 < Bru-> SynMonger: they asked me to do 2 things
14:54 < Bru-> 1. Do needful.
14:54 < giant_it_burrit> who is your daddy
14:54 < Bru-> 2. Confirm same.
14:54 < giant_it_burrit> and what does he do
14:54 < Bru-> IT'S NOT A TUMOR!!
14:54 < Bru-> s/tumor/tumaahh
14:55 < SynMonger> get yo ahz tu mahz
14:57 < humpaxx> Yay ingram micro hasn´t been able to get provisininging of symantec endpoint protection cloud licensesto work for 3 weeks
14:58 < humpaxx> Created a CSP account with also and provisining failed there as well.. maybe theres something wonky with symantecs platform
15:00 < Bru-> looks like ill be making a linux server instead of running it in hyper-v
15:01 < Bru-> bios on this desktop doesnt allow me to hand control of PCIe over to OS
15:02 < corn266> speaking of handing controls over, anyone have issues where windows won't let you specify which graphics card to use in laptops with a dedicated GPU?
15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> corn266: sounds like a BIOS issue
15:03 < corn266> I'll check if there's a BIOS update available, but otherwise I don't think there's a setting to remove control of gfx from the intel display whatever(TM)
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> Hello gents! :)
15:04 < corn266> Mornin Wannabejrsysadm
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> I have a question regarding a terminal server, its an old server used to see some old information on an old legacy erp program
15:04 < Wannabejrsysadm> if a user remotes into the the terminal server they only get to see ONE application
15:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> now i've been tasked to add a new Application
15:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> but I can't manage to find the settings for that
15:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> I don't think its in RemoteAPP
15:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> I also don't find a gpo connected with a group in the user
15:05 < Bru-> yeah bios on this lenovo m92
15:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> i'm so confused
15:05 < Bru-> is fully updated
15:05 < Bru-> im sad
15:05 < Bru-> was gonna build it out with server 2016
15:06 < Bru-> but i really need to pass through my usb serial stick
15:06 < Bru-> and dont want to pay for usb IP passthrough software
15:06 < asimon> Just reach through your computer screen and plug it in to the virtual machine
15:06 < asimon> easy
15:08 < Bru-> ouch
15:08 < Bru-> now theres blood
15:08 < Bru-> :(
15:08 < asimon> What'd you do?
15:09 < Bru-> reached through teh screen
15:09 < asimon> Oh shit
15:09 < asimon> you actually did it
15:09 < Bru-> haha
15:09 < asimon> What a madman
15:09 < Bru-> i have another server 2016 box at home
15:09 < Bru-> ill just nuke this bitch
15:09 < corn266> Wannabejrsysadm: you might wanna hold your question till 10AM Eastern
15:10 < Bru-> run linux on it
15:10 < Bru-> fire up some docker containers
15:16 < giant_it_burrit> im not enjoying docker
15:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> never tried it, not sure wher eto start
15:16 < giant_it_burrit> i need to find something to easily manage the networking for it
15:16 < giant_it_burrit> thats the biggest pain point for me
15:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> im too used to normal ol VMs
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> its not that for me
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> imiss the gui
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> it just makes the handling easier
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> i need to look into it more because of how useful the stupid things are
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> that and adding persistent storage
15:19 < Alternity> why do people keep asking if they should get compTIA certs
15:19 < Alternity> do they push those really hard in HS or something
15:19 < Alternity> the answer has been NO since the early 2000s
15:19 < Nightcinder> they used to
15:19 < Nightcinder> apparently govt mandates comptia now
15:19 < Nightcinder> which is a joke
15:20 < Alternity> i know you need sec+ for most jobs that require clearance
15:20 < Alternity> thats the only one I tell ppl they might need to get for a job
15:20 < Nightcinder> A+ is the biggest joke of a cert
15:20 < Alternity> hey man, gotta learn all the pins on that parralel port cable
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> the 902 portion wasn't too bad because there are some useful stuff
15:20 < Alternity> never know when thats gonna come in handy
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> but the 901 is worhtless
15:20 < Nightcinder> they updated A+ now apparently
15:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> i jus took it a couple months ago
15:20 < SynMonger> half of it is customer service now
15:21 < Nightcinder> but when i was doing A+ stuff in HS it was all about that shit
15:21 < Nightcinder> nothing newer than 1985
15:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> 901 is still cpu sockets and cables, it was terrible
15:21 < Nightcinder> the newest thing was the slot before pci
15:21 < Nightcinder> i forget the name now
15:21 < SynMonger> ISA
15:21 < Nightcinder> ye that
15:21 < Nightcinder> i'm old my memory is failing
15:22 < Casteil> <Nightcinder> A+ is the biggest joke of a cert  < Gotta start somewhere, don't scoff at the less experienced
15:22 < Nightcinder> Casteil: i took A+ shit in HS
15:22 < Nightcinder> it was the most useless thing i've ever experienced
15:22 < Nightcinder> it had zero relevance to todays environment
15:22 < Casteil> cool story, are you still a teenager? because you sound like you are
15:22 < Nightcinder> i'm 27
15:22 < JollyRgrs> youuuuuuuuuUUUUuuuu
15:22 < JollyRgrs> GOT WHAT I NEEeeeEEEEEEED
15:23 < Nightcinder> JollyRgrs: pls
15:23 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: A+ may be a joke, but those with 0 experience need it to get a foot in the door... also gov't requires it a lot of positions
15:23 < Nightcinder> i hope the A+ is current now
15:23 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: you got what i neeeeddddd
15:24 < SynMonger> they update it every decade or so
15:24 < JollyRgrs> but you say he just a frien
15:24 < JollyRgrs> you say he's just a friend
15:24 < Nightcinder> this was back in 08
15:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> its good for people with 0 IT background tbh
15:24 < Nightcinder> so idk what the current one looks like
15:24 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: i think in 08 they had already updated it from the other outdated version
15:24 < JollyRgrs> i took it when it was still lifetime cert
15:24 < Nightcinder> mine was all about ISA
15:24 < JollyRgrs> back then it was memorize IRQ ports
15:24 < Nightcinder> so idk
15:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> Nightcinder: govt just mandates sec+ right?
15:28 < Nightcinder> that i don't know, never applied for govt
15:29 < Casteil> I've gone over Security+ materials, never actually got the cert though
15:29 < Casteil> definitely some good information to glean from
15:29 < Nightcinder> i should peruse it sometime
15:31 < ebol4> everyone in the govt would need to get bofa if it were up to me
15:31 < Bru-> when i start at the MSP
15:31 < Bru-> education is youge
15:31 < Bru-> so imma cert up
15:31 < Bru-> hardcorez
15:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> Bru-: let me know how the MSP life is lol
15:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> I've applied to 2 of them lately
15:32 < Bru-> itll be different
15:32 < Casteil> the 3 core tenants or whatever they call it, for information security, are pretty useful in thinking about software design day to day
15:33 < corn266> CONFIDENTIALITY INTEGRITY AVAILABILITY
15:34 < Casteil> yes, those
15:34 < ebol4> lol "samsung halts oreo update release for S7 after boot loops" and then i look at my phone "there's an update available!"
15:34 < Casteil> accountability and usability kind of fit in to those
15:35 < Casteil> tenets* too
15:35 < ekaj> Casteil: bad thing is most people start to "forget" sec+ stuff when it starts to hinder their productivity
15:36 < ekaj> or they use brain dumps and don't remember it at all
15:38 < hexmonkey> C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
15:38 < hexmonkey> fuck i never use that at the right time
15:39 < deww> yeah, you lack that killer instinct
15:39 < Anaphylaxis> rofl
15:41 < ravioli> no power at the office woo
15:41 < corn266> day off!
15:42 < ravioli> nah i got internets from my phone's hot spot
15:42 < ebol4> that sounds like going the extra mile
15:44 < corn266> sounds like billage
15:46 < corn266> Some coworkers noticed the Mr. Robot reference in the Standard Operating Procedures success_kid.png
15:48 < F34RInc> McDonaldsWiFi, soul crushing unless you find a unicorn
15:49 < FenJai> https://i.imgur.com/GD5F6vw.jpg
15:50 < ravioli> booooo
15:56 < chernobylchild69> good morning guys
15:57 < Hatter> good morning to you
15:57 < Hatter> feeling well?
15:57 < ekaj> go away
15:58 < Hatter> don't be rude
15:59 < ekaj> you go away too
15:59 < JollyRgrs> iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
15:59 < JollyRgrs> i'm not sick
15:59 < JollyRgrs> but i'm not wellllllllllllllll
15:59 < ekaj> (mentally)
16:00 < ekaj> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkruaSQIto
16:02 < Reverend> JollyRgrs who's that by?
16:05 < ebol4> that's the matchbox 20
16:05 < JollyRgrs> Reverend: harvy danger iirc
16:06 < JollyRgrs> flagpole sitta
16:06 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: mbox20? really?
16:07 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: pls visit http://shamenun.com/ and click SHAME!!! 12 times
16:09 < ebol4> im baby?
16:09 < JollyRgrs> still pls to be clicking shame
16:10 < JollyRgrs> no excuse
16:10 < JollyRgrs> i know a beatles song when i hear it and they were broken up before i was born
16:10 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: thats a good song
16:10 < JollyRgrs> hxcsp: DUH!
16:11 < JollyRgrs> ebol4 thought it was matchbox 20 though... rofl
16:11 < hxcsp> I WAS JUST STATING MY OPINION OK
16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> hxcsp: how dare you
16:11 < JollyRgrs> i was expressing my agreeance with your opionion
16:11 < hxcsp> good
16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> hxcsp: GET THAT OPINION OUTTA HERE
16:11 <@mistiry> song sounds nothing like mbox20....like not even close
16:11 < JollyRgrs> mistiry: ikr?
16:11 < hxcsp> i just tried to think of a matchbox 20 song
16:11 < hxcsp> and all i can think of is goo goo dolls
16:11 <@mistiry> 3am
16:11 < JollyRgrs> 3am
16:11 < JollyRgrs> haha
16:11 < hxcsp> ITS 3AM AND I MUST BE LONELY
16:11 < hxcsp> now its coming back
16:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> s/LONELY/HORNY
16:12 < JollyRgrs> so why don't you sliiide
16:12 < hxcsp> exactly the song that came to mind too
16:12 <@mistiry> smooth (ft. santana)
16:12 < JollyRgrs> well, smooth is just rob thomas and santana
16:12 < JollyRgrs> not all of mbox20
16:12 < hxcsp> thats a good song though
16:12 < vinrock> Anyone used the Airfiber AF-5XHD radios?
16:12 < hxcsp> because santana
16:12 < JollyRgrs> it is
16:12 <@mistiry> JollyRgrs: ohhhh..oops
16:12 < JollyRgrs> pretty much any santana collab is good
16:13 < JollyRgrs> and he's done a lot
16:13 <@mistiry> rob thomas wrote 3am while driving down orange blossom trail in orlando
16:13 < JollyRgrs> vinrock: nosir, not me
16:13 < vinrock> hm
16:13 < JollyRgrs> mistiry: nice
16:13 <@mistiry> been on that road many times
16:13 < JollyRgrs> mistiry: hopefully when traffic wasn't awful
16:13 < mrghostman> bright lights = my fav matchbox 20 song
16:13 < JollyRgrs> only time i took orange blossom was on my way to some concerts down there
16:14 <@mistiry> it is well known to have many ladies of the night
16:14 < JollyRgrs> heh, yeah
16:15 <@mistiry> JollyRgrs: but when is traffic in orlando NOT awful?
16:15 < JollyRgrs> mistiry: sometimes it is better than standstill
16:15 < B_RAD1> good morning everyone
16:15 < JollyRgrs> but always with asian drivers who have no US driver's license
16:16 < JollyRgrs> making exits on i-4 from far left lane (right exits)
16:16 <@mistiry> yep. no signals, change lanes under traffic lights....65 in a 35...
16:16 <@mistiry> or worse, 20 in a 45
16:16 < JollyRgrs> how does enterprise even do that?
16:17 < JollyRgrs> like... they just hope and pray that foreigners can drive?
16:17 < Bru-> anyone here use Maas360?
16:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> not yet... we're working on it
16:17 < Bru-> curious how it operates
16:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> Bru-: experieince so far?
16:17 < Bru-> MSP im going to uses it
16:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> Oh you don't have it
16:18 < Bru-> i deployed airwatch in my place
16:20 < JollyRgrs> i only have limited exp. with airwatch (started setting stuff up, then it got passed to someone else and I was leaving)
16:20 < Bru-> its robust
16:20 < Bru-> i like it
16:20 < Bru-> definitely a tank of a service
16:20 < Bru-> we get hella pricing on it too
16:21 < Bru-> were only running 200 devices currently though
16:21 < Bru-> but thatll change to 500 over the next year or so
16:21 < Bru-> it can run thousands to tens of thousands
16:21 < Bru-> if you have the resources
16:22 < Bru-> its easily scalable
16:22 < Bru-> fire up another server
16:22 < Bru-> tell your console config to look there for this service now
16:22 < Bru-> BOOM!
16:22 < Bru-> im just waiting for VMWare to support remote view/control of iOS
16:23 < Bru-> which is supposedly on their docket this year
16:23  * McDonaldsWiFi raises noise ceiling above Bru-
16:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hi
16:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> Bru-: ;)
16:23 < Bru-> sorry i put separate thoughts on different lines
16:23 < Bru-> need to get better about that
16:23 < Bru-> i got chewed out in ##linux about that right away
16:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm the same way lol
16:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> I used to play a MMO called Tibia a TON back in the day. Sometimes you had to get our your thoughts quick lol
16:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> ##linux is full of fuck heads
16:24 < Bru-> yeah im used to chatting in a room with a bunch of people
16:24 < Bru-> so naturally i make my footprint larger
16:24 < Bru-> more surface area
16:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> I do that so much, even in texts
16:24 < Bru-> more likelihood of getting question answered
16:24 < Bru-> lol
16:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm teh spam guy lol
16:25 < rhqq> McDonaldsWiFi: don't worry, bsd community went even more shit
16:25 < ihre> you have to raise your hand first
16:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> ##centos isbad too
16:26 < Bru-> haha
16:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> and ##asm xD
16:26 < Bru-> linux has been helpful
16:26 < Bru-> but patience for newbs is low on their priority list
16:26 < Bru-> and im a linux newb
16:30 < rhqq> Bru-: then gtfo from this subreddit!!!11111oneoneone11cos(0)
16:31 < Bru-> lol
16:31 < Bru-> :'(
16:31 < Bru-> for a channel with 2200 people, its quiet
16:31 < Popzi> RAOOOAAOOAARRRRRR
16:31 < grumplestiltzkin> Bru-: it's ok,  it jus tmakes it look like you're channelling Hunterkll
16:32 < corn266> Did the rhel dts repo name get changed from 6 to 7?
16:32 < Bru-> RAR
16:32 < corn266> RAR wtf is this 2007
16:32 < Bru-> rar2u2
16:34 < dragonfleas> sup babes
16:34 < Bru-> just jackin it
16:34 < Bru-> lamenting the fact that i have to nuke my win2016 host
16:34 < Bru-> because the native bios wont support pci-e bus handoff to OS
16:34 < Bru-> i could get custom bios
16:34 < Bru-> but i dont care that much
16:34 < Bru-> my use case is small
16:34 < Bru-> ill just turn the box into a linux server
16:35 < Bru-> and run docker instances
16:35 < Bru-> ive got another 2016 box at home
16:35 < Bru-> and i have only one server that needs discrete device assignment
16:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> hmm
16:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> its dead in here
16:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> let's get the party started
16:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> I think net neutrality is just a way for teh government ot get its slimy hands in the ISP/Data market
16:44 < Hatsjoe> lolwutt
16:44 < estranger> was talking to McDonalds all morning, thanks for continuing this trend for me today
16:44 < dragonfleas> >>> mind == "blown"
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi>  wake up fellas
16:45 < dragonfleas> True
16:45 < Hatsjoe> McDonaldsWiFi: I hope you are joking :P
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hatsjoe: ;)
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> am i?
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> WHO KNOWS
16:45 < dragonfleas> Bru-, PCI-E passthrough is NOT easy to configure
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> _Straffer agrees with me
16:45 < Hatsjoe> Well, are you on /r/thedonald all the time? :P
16:45 < dragonfleas> sup McDonaldsWiFi, i'm extra stinky today
16:45 < Hatsjoe> People over there are retarded
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> hell naw
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
16:45 < Bru-> dragonfleas: not didnt appear THAT terrible
16:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> dragonfleas: I didn't relaly think you're stinky, JFDkthx made me say it
16:45 < Bru-> i needed to just passthrough a USB device
16:46 < khelpw> McDonaldsWiFi: Here's a picture of one of my lizards. Less bored now? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BxlqoJJp/image.png
16:46 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, explain dis
16:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> Bru-: I never have luck with USB passthrough on *nix
16:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> khelpw: yes ty
16:46 < Bru-> McDonaldsWiFi: its possible in hyper-v 2016 with discrete device assignment
16:46 < dragonfleas> Bru-, i DON'T know what YOU mean
16:46 < Bru-> but the bios has to support it
16:46 < Bru-> my bios doesnt have the setting to allow the OS to take control
16:46 < Bru-> of the bus
16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> Bru-: I have a lot of luck with it with Hyper-V
16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hatsjoe: do you wear hats
16:47 < dragonfleas> you need a better mobo
16:47 < Bru-> McDonaldsWiFi: you mean USB passthrough with VMConnect?
16:47 < Bru-> im talking as a daemon
16:47 < Socksjoe> McDonaldsWiFi, no but i wear socks
16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh
16:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hatsjoe: Socksjoe: WE NEED MORE JOES
16:47 < Hatsjoe> McDonaldsWiFi: I only wear tiger print g-strings
16:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hatsjoe: what about banana hammocks
16:48 < cryptic3> why is cryptic2 registered
16:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> same reason pfsense is
16:48 < Bru-> McDonaldsWiFi: i was going to setup discrete device assignment though, but since i cant change control of the bus to the OS, it wont let me assign
16:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> sounds kinky
16:50 < Bru-> but since i only need it for one thing
16:50 < Bru-> passing USB z-wave adapter through to it
16:50 < Bru-> im gonna say fuck it
16:51 < Bru-> i couldi could probs find custom bios, but i dont care THAT much
16:52 < Bru-> :D
16:56 < chernobylchild69> man this never gets old
16:56 < chernobylchild69> remote into a users pc to fix some problem
16:56 < chernobylchild69> OMG what happened to my wallpaper
16:57 < chernobylchild69> your PC is infected with viruseses and your biggest concern is a wallpaper
16:57 < chernobylchild69> why are users such users =/
16:58 < jaelae> because they were chernobyl children
16:58 < AnimalFarmPig> .bofh
16:58 < jaelae> i have a ticket i opened with my help desk
16:58 < jaelae> and i fixed the issue myself so im like its ok you can close the ticket. and they are like no lets take a look to make sure it doesnt happen
16:59 < jaelae> who wants to actually work on a ticket after being told they can close it?
16:59 < jaelae> saddist
17:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> someone who is thorough lol
17:00 < _Straffer> or a sadist haha
17:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> imagine when yo get a ticket and the user says that they already reboot it
17:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> did they really? xD
17:00 < JollyRgrs> anyone here good with tcpconnection settings in windows? like the old netsh int tcp stuff... or in powershell set-nettcpsetting ?
17:00 < _Straffer> if a user reboots a computer without you telling them to reboot....
17:00 < _Straffer> did it really reboot
17:00 < TuxedoJack> McDonaldsWiFi: who cares, you reboot it for them anyway
17:01 < TuxedoJack> With shutdown -r -t 0 -f
17:01 < jaelae> yea
17:01 < JollyRgrs> TuxedoJack: or just quickly check system boot time
17:01 < TuxedoJack> Because they lost their privilege to save when they started complaining
17:01 < JollyRgrs> and done
17:01 < jaelae> when i did desktop support most times people rebooted by logging out or locking their screen
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> TuxedoJack: why would you reboot if they said they did though
17:01 < jaelae> or powered their monitor off and on
17:01 < JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: b/c as jaelae said... "logging out" to them is rebooting
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> that's my pint
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> point
17:01 < JollyRgrs> yeah, the monitor thing i've seen b4, too
17:01 < _Straffer> can you flip the main to the building really quick
17:01 < jaelae> you cant drink at work McDonaldsWiFi
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol, you reboot cause you don't know for sure until yo do it
17:01 < TuxedoJack> McDonaldsWiFi: because fuck them, that's why
17:01 < JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: you can be sure...
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm just shitting in the pool
17:02 < JollyRgrs> you check boot time
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> get you guys all striied up
17:02 < JollyRgrs> geez
17:02 < _Straffer> can you stop paying the electric bill really quick so utility will shut off the power to the office. That way, we're sure
17:02 < JollyRgrs> i had a script iw ould run on any PC before i even called the user
17:02 < JollyRgrs> gave me all kinds of good info
17:02 < estranger> `net statistics server`
17:02 < estranger> wtf why did layer-eight bitch at me
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> _Straffer: jsut hack the grid like CSI villians
17:02 < estranger> `taco
17:03 < estranger> `why is backtick parsed by layer-eight
17:03 < grumplestiltzkin> s/grid/gibson
17:03 < SynMonger> ` is the character it uses for commands
17:03 < estranger> `that is dumb
17:03 < estranger> `kill -9 yourself
17:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> everyone shhhh
17:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> _Straffer has something to say
17:04 < jaelae> colocation datacenter im at now ... they have free drinks from their soda machine
17:04 < jaelae> and i wonder how that gets factored into my insane monthly fee
17:04 < _Straffer> Tacos are the best thing for lunch
17:04 < deww> ```what's up?```
17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> THE LORD HATH SPOKEN
17:04 < estranger> 4 years ago I did a US tour of datacenters when picking a colo. that was fun as hell
17:04 < TuxedoJack> _Straffer: man, fuck your tacos
17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh shit
17:04 < _Straffer> :(
17:04 < TuxedoJack> Give me sushi any day
17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> TuxedoJack: i too like to eat raw things
17:04 < estranger> `^5 deww
17:04 < _Straffer> What kinda sushi we talkin here
17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> -.-
17:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> goldfish
17:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> I wonder what a goldfish tastes like
17:05 < estranger> yer not supposed to chew them
17:05 < AnimalFarmPig> goldfish sushi? is it nowruz already?
17:05 < _Straffer> could hook you p
17:05 < _Straffer> up*
17:05 < _Straffer> daughter decided we need 2
17:05 < estranger> all my daughter decides is that she wants to poop and cry
17:06 < dragonfleas> is there a no rule sysadmin chan
17:06 < dragonfleas> i thought there was but i can't remember the channel name
17:06 < ThatOneRoadie> mawp
17:06 < estranger> #bearcave on efnet
17:07 < grumplestiltzkin> koi sushi
17:07 < AnimalFarmPig> "The Bear Cave" and "The Cockpit" are the name of two bars across the street from a sandwich place that I like. Sadly, neither of them are gay bars :(
17:08 < estranger> lol
17:08 < Hatter> those are definitely gay bars
17:08 < Hatter> maybe you just didn't have any luck getting numbers
17:08 < grumplestiltzkin> AnimalFarmPig: wat.    with names like that - like, they *are* gay bars even if they weren't intended to be
17:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> dragonfleas: #crude? xD
17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> "The Cockpit" is a pilot bar, next to Love Field
17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> not sure what the deal is with the cave
17:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> LEMME GET AN R
17:10 <@mistiry> err
17:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> LEMME GET AN E
17:12 <@cryptic1> no
17:12 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
17:12 <@cryptic1> channel closed
17:12 <@cryptic1> please drive through
17:12 <@mistiry> cryptic1: people forgetting to pay the channel dues again?
17:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> REKT
17:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> caps
17:12 < grumplestiltzkin> [mistiry] something happened
17:12 <@cryptic1> mistiry, yes
17:13 <@mistiry> grumplestiltzkin: havent seen that for a while now...good job
17:15 <@mistiry> Guys - Operating this channel is expensive. We need your help! Please remember to pay your channel dues so the ops can keep the doors open. Thanks!
17:16 < ihre> i've set up autopayment, 3.5 lootcrates/month
17:16 < onicrom> invest in the RSAI token today
17:16 <@mistiry> ihre you are allowed to chat, thank you for your payment
17:17 < onicrom> there is a 98.745% change of makeing 100x profit!
17:18 < AnimalFarmPig> onicrom: are you putting /r/sysadmin irc on the blockchain?
17:19 < AnimalFarmPig> fucking sign me up. You want me to send money by wire transfer or western union? I can also do PayPal "friends and family".
17:21 < corn266> has anyone here heard of remirepo ? I need php 7.0 but rhel isn't offering it to standard server accounts
17:22 < alazare619> i'm having an identity crisis on my 30th :(
17:22 < alazare619> who am i
17:22 < alazare619> what am i doing here
17:22 < alazare619> why am i on this earth
17:22 < corn266> you're the best. arroooouuunnd
17:23 < AnimalFarmPig> 1) alazare619, 2) chatting on irc, 3) because your parents had sex
17:24 < corn266> LOL alazare619's parents had sex that's nasty
17:24 < alazare619> ^
17:25 < alazare619> given in 30 years ive been around now
17:25 < alazare619> ive only ever seen them in the same place but 1 time
17:25 < alazare619> it was a one night stand
17:25 < alazare619> pretty sure there was some barry manalo playing
17:26 < AnimalFarmPig> 30 years and 9 months ago = August 1988
17:26 < AnimalFarmPig> err.. 87
17:27 <@cryptic1> wtf have I returned to?
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Billboard_Hot_100_number-one_singles_of_1987
17:27 <@mistiry> alazare619: your birthday?
17:28 < alazare619> yea
17:28 < alazare619> tis my cake day
17:28 <@mistiry> mine too
17:28 < AnimalFarmPig> happy birthdays
17:29 < alazare619> happy cake day mistiry
17:29 <@mistiry> you too
17:30 < vinrock> happy birthday nerds
17:30 < dragonfleas> i just had a huge debate with coworkers about why morality is actually subjective
17:30 < khelpw> Sure it is
17:30 < khelpw> Everything is subjective
17:31 < vinrock> morality is just another word for THE MAN TRYIN' TO KEEP YOU DOWN
17:31 < vinrock> fight the power
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> here's a birthday party stripper song-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5I2vEcVC_I
17:31 < dragonfleas> well i was arguing that incest between two consenting adults with no chance of procreation isn't wrong morally because it's subjective
17:32 < dragonfleas> most of my coworkers are LGBT friendly but against incest, so I provided that their opinion of it is simply the latter, an opinion
17:33 < dragonfleas> my coworkers probably think i'm edgy now
17:33 < vinrock> i dont think thats a conversation i would participate in at work
17:33 <@mistiry> vinrock: ty
17:34 < vinrock> yw
17:34 < dragonfleas> vinrock, we're a non-profit and i work with a bunch of counselors
17:34 < vinrock> ok i guess thats like, the one exception to the rule
17:34 < dragonfleas> they're very open minded lol, if it was any other place i wouldn't have done that lmao
17:35 < deww> still weird
17:35 < dragonfleas> weird is subjective deww
17:35 < dragonfleas> nothing is weird if you don't make it weird
17:35 < dragonfleas> ;)
17:35 < vinrock> check out this dump truck crash
17:35 < vinrock> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK5YYccMBOs
17:35 < deww> true
17:35 < vinrock> bawoosh
17:35 < dragonfleas> WTF
17:35 < dragonfleas> what did it catch on fire?
17:35 < vinrock> guy in a pt cruiser decides to stop in the middle of the highway and reverse for his missed exit
17:35 < vinrock> the side fuel tanks slamming into the barrier
17:36 < dragonfleas> highly flammable garbage and sparks ignited it?
17:36 < dragonfleas> AH
17:36 < dragonfleas> i hope he's okay
17:36 < vinrock> diesel fuel is extremely high energy when it gets atomized
17:36 < vinrock> yeah he made it out
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, big trucks like that have fuel tanks on the side below the doors
17:36 < vinrock> you can see him get out of the cab then go back for his stuff
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> always struck me as kind of unsafe
17:36 < dragonfleas> yeah looks like he get's out at 0:31
17:36 < vinrock> the pt cruiser right after the dump truck swerves yanks the wheel and gets creamed by the next car coming up from behind
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> what a dumbass
17:37 < vinrock> absolutely
17:37 < dragonfleas> why the fuck does he go back for his stuff
17:37 < dragonfleas> wtf
17:37 < vinrock> cuz dude is a BAUS
17:37 < dragonfleas> dude the truck is in a blaze
17:37 < dragonfleas> he's like "i don't give a fuck i need my phone"
17:37 < technonerd> I need my red stapler
17:38 < vinrock> there's another great crash video of an 18 wheeler flying (literally) over an overpass leaving like a 100 yard flame trail behind it
17:38 < AnimalFarmPig> there's like only one rule for driving-- if you cause someone else to hit the brakes, you're wrong. It's amazing how few people follow that one simple rule.
17:38 < dragonfleas> i created my first golden MDT image yesterday
17:38 < dragonfleas> i don't really understand the rules yet
17:38 < dragonfleas> in the bootstrap ini
17:38 <@Code_Man65> You have to start somewhere dragonfleas
17:38 < dragonfleas> is there a list of syntax for bootstrap.ini?
17:39 < alazare619> khelpw: your snek is showing
17:39 < corn266> 88MPH morty!!
17:39 < vinrock> giggity
17:39 < vinrock> alazare is it you or khelpw that lives in ny
17:39 < khelpw> I live in NY, but what do you mean? The IRCCloud icon thing?
17:40 < vinrock> did you guys get a tornado the other day?
17:40 < khelpw> Not near me
17:40 < vinrock> monticello was closed for the day because they apparently had a touchdown
17:41 < khelpw> Yeah, upstate had more.
17:41 < khelpw> Monticello is such a fun track. I really need to get back out there again.
17:41 < vinrock> im hopin i can go in october when it's bring-a-guest day
17:42 < khelpw> Just be careful at the bridge. If you hit one side you're just going to bounce back and forth at the narrow part.
17:42 < khelpw> Watched a guy in a new 458 do that last time I was up. He was displeased.
17:43 < vinrock> im probably just gona putz around, i dont wana get in over my head and give my buddy a bad name
17:43 < khelpw> Also, for anyone anywhere near Wellsboro PA - Weekend of June 1st is Susquehannock trail performance rally, STPR
17:43 < vinrock> whoa
17:44 < vinrock> i might have to check this out
17:44 < vinrock> 4hr drive
17:44 < vinrock> not too bad
17:45 < vinrock> 4:20 if I take 78
17:45 < vinrock> smoke weed
17:45 < gavit> Anyone know if a datacenter gets audited for the licenses used by its customers on leased servers?
17:45 < vinrock> "There is no consumption of alcoholic beverages or use of any recreational drugs on the property of the Tioga County Fairgrounds or at any spectator area on the Waste Management property stages, nor at any location in the forest during the times the event is active."
17:45 < vinrock> aaaand thats a nope
17:45 < JFDkthx> are you providing the licenses gavit?
17:46 < gavit> JFDkthx: We are able to sell licenses I suppose.
17:47 < alazare619> vinrock:  giant_it_burrit  and spookycopter live there
17:47 < alazare619> and yea nado hit em
17:47 < vinrock> oh wow no shit
17:47 < alazare619> we get tornado's here all the time in kansas
17:47 < alazare619> aint no thang but a chicken wang
17:47 < scwizard> i wish aws would get back to me
17:47 < vinrock> isnt kansas like, tonadoville usa
17:48 < alazare619> yep
17:48 < vinrock> fuck that shit
17:48 < alazare619> it aint spring/summer if the wind aint trying to kill ya
17:48 < khelpw> vinrock: people still drink a LOT
17:48 < khelpw> especially in the crew area
17:48 < vinrock> oh ok
17:48 < khelpw> Just gotta be _somewhat_ stealthy
17:48 < vinrock> so i guess plaster it on the website for legal reasons and wipe hands clean
17:48 < khelpw> bring a flask and a paper bag and you'll be alright
17:48 < khelpw> Ye
17:48 < vinrock> cool
17:50 < gavit> JFDkthx: but if you provide a vmware license to a customer, how do I know t hey have windows licenses for their windows vms or sql licenses etc
17:50 < ebol4> love it when every client is a special case and there's no documentation
17:52 < AnimalFarmPig> gavit: are you guys installing the licensed software or do the customers do it?
17:53 < scwizard> geez redhat brought ansible too
17:54 <@Code_Man65> scwizard:  A few years ago now
17:55 < ihre> haha yeah, nothing new ;p
17:55 < gavit> AnimalFarmPig: customers would be able to manage their server, so they will install it.
17:55 < scwizard> so when is redhat
17:55 < AnimalFarmPig> Did you hear that Sun bought MySQL?
17:55 < scwizard> just gonna buy hashicorp
17:55 < ihre> couple of years before acquiring coreos
17:55 < scwizard> maybe they can buy gitlab too?
17:55 < gavit> AnimalFarmPig: just wondering if we're gonna get in trouble in case they dont comply
17:56 < scwizard> AnimalFarmPig: lol "sun"
17:56 < scwizard> F
17:56 < ihre> they wont, nothing hashicorp offers is 'exclusive' in that regard
17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> gavit: if the customers manage their own servers and you're not installing the software, I don't see how you could be responsible for it, but IANAL
17:56  * AnimalFarmPig presses F on his much beloved Sun Type 7 keyboard
17:56 < scwizard> ihre: what do you mean?
17:57 <@Code_Man65> Why?  Gitlab is fine as is.
17:57 < scwizard> that's never stopped redhat from buying something
17:57 <@Code_Man65> heh
17:58 < AnimalFarmPig> hashicorp? is that the mongodb company?
17:58 <@Code_Man65> They are already standardized on github
17:58 < scwizard> like i swear their goal is to make it so
17:58 < scwizard> that i'm only using redhat products at my work
17:58 < scwizard> and they're really far from said goal because i'm a debian user but...
17:58 < ihre> scwizard: redhat acquires tech and knowledge, there is nothing to gain by owning hashicorp. what terraform does can be done with ansible, secret mgmt is already embedded into openshift, packer is just another build tool and they already have a couple, there is nothing to gain :P
17:58 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, no, totally different-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HashiCorp
17:58 < scwizard> ihre: mate what? how can you do what terraform does with ansible??
17:59 < ihre> and gitlab is 'just' VAS around git, and red hat uses github
17:59 < ihre> scwizard: terraform is just a DSL for APIs
17:59 < ihre> so is ansible ..
17:59 < scwizard> i mean
17:59 < scwizard> idk what to say
17:59 < scwizard> if you figure out how to manage infrastructure via ansible
18:00 < scwizard> def let me know
18:00 < scwizard> terraform is kinda a shit product I'd love to use ansible instead
18:00 < ihre> take a look at https://github.com/redhat-helloworld-msa/helloworld-msa
18:00 < ebol4> ansible-playbook manage-infra.yml -u root -l 'all'
18:00 < ebol4> bam
18:01 <@mistiry> rm -rfv / --no-preserve-root
18:01 <@mistiry> bam
18:01 < scwizard> ihre: so like uhh
18:01 < alazare619> why does audible have to be so damn expensive
18:01 < alazare619> like really only 1 audiobook a month for free
18:01 < scwizard> basically ansible calls kubernetes or what?
18:01 < scwizard> i'm honestly totally lost
18:02 < ebol4> ansible all -a 'rm -rfv / --no-preserve-root' -u root
18:02 < ebol4> take them all out at once
18:02 < ebol4> scwizard: ansible just connects to things via ssh and runs commands basically
18:02  * gavit has chosen chef
18:02 < ihre> yep, which in turn talks to the k8s apis, and terraform just provides 'building' blocks around public apis, you could do the same with curl if you like pain :P
18:02 < scwizard> ebol4: yes and i don't see how that manages infrastructure in a sane way
18:02 < ebol4> what is infrastructure
18:02 < scwizard> i'm really not sure
18:02 < scwizard> these days
18:03 < ebol4> i have no idea what you're talking about
18:03 < scwizard> neither do i apparently
18:03 < Popzi> you mean the cloud right?
18:03 < ihre> not specifically
18:03 < ebol4> all this guy talks about is the cloud
18:04 < AnimalFarmPig> ansible connects to things via ssh, transfers python code to them, and the python code runs commands. Subtle distinction. Means it's a huge PITA to use ansible to manage things connected to a terminal server (ssh<->serial gateway).
18:04 < scwizard> i'm using both terraform and packer rn
18:04 < scwizard> and sometimes i feel like i'm doing something wrong
18:05 < ihre> ansible sequences shell commands, not necessarily ssh
18:05 < scwizard> but i think i'm just gonna see this through and maybe in a year from now i'll realize what an idiot i am
18:05 < ebol4> ewwwww terminal server
18:05 < darkscrypt> ebol4: lol. i manage like a couple thousand term servers.
18:05 < darkscrypt> ebol4: well citrix really.. but like... same thing in a way
18:05 < darkscrypt> citrix made a lot of the ts code.
18:05 < AnimalFarmPig> at least, that's how it was explained to my by coworkers who spent a couple months trying to get ansible to work on devices behind a terminal server
18:06 < darkscrypt> ansible makes me think of ender's game
18:06 < scwizard> ok yeah i'm just gonna do this and not second guess myself too much
18:06 < ebol4> prettttty sure you don't need python installed on hosts that ansible manages
18:06 < ebol4> just ssh
18:06 < AnimalFarmPig> yes, but apparently ansible ships binaries over ssh to the target machines to run python code
18:06 < ebol4> i may be wrong though
18:06 < ebol4> oh okay
18:07 < darkscrypt> AnimalFarmPig: are they packaged using something like pyinstaller? i think pyinstaller does linux packages.
18:07 < AnimalFarmPig> which doesn't work so well when the device is actually behind a serial port that has been exposed via ssh
18:08 < AnimalFarmPig> darkscrypt: I'm not sure, actually. Just going off of what coworkers explained to me when I asked why it took so long to get ansible working for switches behind a terminal server. I think I said something like, "Isn't it just ssh in a loop?" and they were angry.
18:09 < ebol4> i mean, i always assumed it was just pure ssh
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> me too
18:09 < grumplestiltzkin> maybe theres a SNMP component?
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> so did they when they started on the project...
18:10 < AnimalFarmPig> they were trying to use it to provision switches out of the box
18:11 < Hatter> hey can someone link that sound thing where you can hear two different things
18:11 < Hatter> hurry
18:12 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: https://github.com/napalm-automation/napalm
18:12 < Popzi> Hatter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
18:12 < Hempux> Hey gang
18:12 < Hatter> !report Popzi inappropriate behavior
18:13 < Popzi> DAMN GOTTIM
18:13 < Hatter> for a reddit based channel you guys continue to disappoint when it comes to finding interesting reddit links
18:13 < Popzi> I have yet to hear this magical audio, but I've heard people mention it
18:14 < ihre> reddit is a cesspool, 99% is shit anyways :P
18:14 < JFDkthx> Hatter: this is a chat room not a channel
18:15 < JFDkthx> we arent channeling anything
18:15 < JFDkthx> we are chatting
18:15 < Dish> I'm channeling good vibes yo
18:15 < Dish> You all look lovely today
18:16 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: I'm aware of that one and know the guys working on that project are aware of it as well. From what I understand, the issue is that ansible sees an ssh connection and assumes that it's a connection to a host on a network, not just a way to expose a serial console. So, it assumes that it can do things like transfer files, and that the host:port being connectable means that the host is actually running.
18:18 < dragonfleas> ooof
18:18 < dragonfleas> CEO just walked into my office while i was on /r/WTF
18:18 < dragonfleas> i clicked my panic button
18:19 < syere> should have gone to /r/spacedicks, shown dominance
18:19 <@killdash9> browsing /r/wtf at work...brave strategy, Cotton
18:19 < giant_it_burrit> note the transformer in my driveway  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Bt4z3ckQ/IMG_20180517_105537.jpg
18:19 < giant_it_burrit> Alazare619
18:20 < giant_it_burrit> vinrock:
18:20 < vinrock> whutup
18:20 < vinrock> oh whoa
18:20 < vinrock> (12:18:35 PM) dragonfleas: i clicked my panic button
18:20 < vinrock> are you over 30
18:21 < dragonfleas> vinrock, no
18:21 < dragonfleas> i'm 22
18:21 < vinrock> a lot of the old 80's DOS games actually had a 'boss' key
18:21 < vinrock> you hit it and it would switch the screen to like a bunch of financial shit, dbase, etc
18:21 < grumplestiltzkin> vinrock: remember "dastardly dan"  ?
18:22 < vinrock> im trying to look it up but doesnt ring a bell
18:23 < grumplestiltzkin> it ran off a 5.25 floppy
18:23 <@mistiry> got my ignite registration today
18:26 < vinrock> https://www.kiwiantennas.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/roofmount2.jpg
18:26 < vinrock> ...
18:27 < corn266> needs more duct tape
18:31 < Casteil> on the plus side.. at least they weren't dumb enough to drill directly into shingles?
18:34 < estranger> i dunno its kinda clever if its a temp setup
18:39 < Casteil> ...that's a lot of effort for a temporary setup
18:39 < Casteil> 2009
18:39 < Casteil> probably still there
18:39 < Casteil> "temporary" they said XD
18:40 < estranger> holy shit i did a reverse image search on google:  Best guess for this image: non penetrating roof mount antenna
18:40 < estranger> ok that impresses me
18:40 < programmerq> it's too windy where I live to use something like that
18:41 < programmerq> I'll be moving and will probably end up installing my ham antenna in my attic at the new place. Depends on how tall the surrounding trees are compared to the roofline.
18:42 < corn266> Devs won't help me set up their environment :: their new database password is password123
18:42 < estranger> at least it has a password
18:42 < syere> and the external IP is?
18:42 < estranger> so many db's default to no auth
18:42 < corn266> localhost airgapped
18:43 < voidstar> syere, ipchicken.com
18:43 < corn266> So it wasn't DomLS3 who was stat boosting in donger, it was DuglasOMG
18:43 < syere> LOL
18:43 < DomLS3> corn266: DomLS3 doesn't need to stat boost
18:43 < DomLS3> DomLS3 is God of #donger
18:43 < voidstar> make sure to nmap because they might be running on a non standard port syere
18:44 < corn266> frick
18:44 < Casteil> frack
18:44 < syere> One of the guys here was tasked with mapping out all the offices. Because of the scanning tools, our firewall marked him as the #2 attacker
18:44 < estranger> who was #1?
18:44 < syere> my boss xD
18:44 < estranger> heh
18:45 < Casteil> 'attacker'?
18:46 < Casteil> oh; as in threat detection/identification
18:46 < syere> Casteil: yes
18:46 < Hatter> this is what I was talking about earlier guys:
18:46 < Hatter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pRY3wlKwm8
18:47 < Hatter> better than that yanny laurel thing I think
18:47 < Casteil> Hatter: yeah, saw that yesterday
18:48 < Casteil> you can effectively 'choose' which you hear by just thinking about it
18:48 < mrghostman> i hear brainneedle
18:48 < mrghostman> heh
18:53 < Jekotia> ^ same as mrghostman
19:00 < vinrock> "Outdoor, shielded Category 6 (or above) cabling and shielded RJ-45 connectors are required for all wired Ethernet connections."
19:00 < vinrock> from airfiber 5XHD quick start guide
19:00 < vinrock> meanwhile, ubnt only sells cat5 cable
19:00 < vinrock> jaysus
19:01 < TuxedoJack> BOSS: Isn't there a price difference between Win10 Pro retail and upgrade keys?
19:01 < TuxedoJack> ME: The fact that it costs more can be counted as a stupid tax on the client. If they went directly against what we told them, they need to know that doing it wrong will cost them. Not, like, being put over a barrel and spanked with a smallmouth bass for a few hours to Disney songs by a person in a clown suit, but money
19:02 < SynMonger> you have to pay pretty good money for the former... unless your partner is that once-in-a-lifetime kind of true love
19:05 < hexmonkey> after the first hour, that smallmouth bass is gonna start getting pretty mushy
19:05 < corn266> DomLS3: GO REKT
19:10 < Church-> giant_it_burrit: Get my message?
19:10 < Anaphylaxis> what up bois
19:11 < giant_it_burrit> Yes Church-
19:11 < Church-> Cool
19:11 < giant_it_burrit> Tornado got me.
19:11 < giant_it_burrit> So we will see
19:15 <@cryptic1> giant_it_burrit, we can only hope
19:18 < asimon> I really hate this damn trend of making error messages more "friendly"
19:19 < rhqq> what you mean
19:19 < asimon> Like some of my newer machines are having trouble connecting to wireless displays
19:19 < asimon> and instead of any helpful information the error is simple "Couldn't connect"
19:19 < rhqq> americans are dumb, they panic when they see more than 4 words of error
19:20 < rhqq> but it'd be nice if there was like "more info" button
19:20 < asimon> Like give me an error code or some indication of what went wrong
19:20 < asimon> yeah
19:20 < corn266> End users who piss themselves when they see 0x80070054 are the reason
19:20 < rhqq> exactly that
19:20 < corn266> or is it 0x80075004
19:20 < AnimalFarmPig> user sees the "Couldn't connect" error message and calls support: "Yeah, hi, support? My data is not populating."
19:22 < corn266> (((M$))) working with (((geek squad))) to increase (((revenue)))
19:22 < AnimalFarmPig> Usually the data populates, but now it's not populating.
19:22 < corn266> "Something broke"
19:24 < scwizard> man
19:24 < scwizard> systemd is pretty great honestly
19:24 < rhqq> ewwwwwwwwwwwww
19:24 < scwizard> RemainAfterExit=true
19:24 < scwizard> and you can so easily do something like
19:25 < scwizard> register your gitlab runner on boot and deregister on shutdown
19:27 < AnimalFarmPig> systemd can be really nice to use, it's a shame about the project leadership though
19:27 < rhqq> thats someting i could agreewith
19:28 < rhqq> it's mostly the aggression of implementation, trying to be good in everything
19:28 < AnimalFarmPig> it's like using an Uber-- convenient and good value, but the company is run by twats
19:28 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, and the creep of systemd into other things
19:28 < AnimalFarmPig> systemd-hostnamed...
19:29 < rhqq> pretty much everything that's not bare init
19:29 < scwizard> yeah people complained about that like 3 years ago
19:29 < scwizard> i welcome our new overlords though
19:29  * scwizard also uses ubers
19:29 < scwizard> probably doesn't help i don't have a drivers license
19:29 < JollyRgrs> scwizard: NYC?
19:30 < estranger> drunkard?
19:30 < scwizard> JollyRgrs: grew up there, but i live in austin now
19:30 < estranger> i love uber too. i use it a lot AND i have a license
19:30 < JollyRgrs> so you got used to not driving
19:30 < estranger> awwsheet i was just in austin
19:30 < scwizard> you'll probably be back
19:30 < JollyRgrs> here, ppl can't wait to turn 15 to get their learners permit and at 16, everyone gets their license (with VERY few exception)
19:30 < rhqq> i tend to mix uber with pubcom
19:31 < Bru-> exchange admins: is there any way to recover messages rejected by our server due to mailbox quarantine?
19:31 < JollyRgrs> Bru-: if it was rejected, it was never received, no?
19:31 < JollyRgrs> kind of the point of something being rejected?
19:31 < estranger> scwizard, prob, but was my first time there
19:31 < Bru-> JollyRgrs: aye
19:32 < Bru-> JollyRgrs: I assumed as much, but figured Id ask people smarter than myself :D
19:32 < JollyRgrs> Bru-: that being said, i've enver logged into an exchange server... ever
19:32 < estranger> wish uber would post your lifetime stats... maybe they do.. be curious how far ive gone/trips/$$/etc
19:32 < Bru-> before telling the director that the emails are lost
19:32 < JollyRgrs> so you might still wanna ask around, but that's my understanding
19:32 < scwizard> i don't use uber that much tbh
19:32 < scwizard> usually just take the bus
19:32 < AnimalFarmPig> <JollyRgrs> here, ppl can't wait to turn 15 to get their learners permit and at 16, everyone gets their license (with VERY few exception)   <---- it was like that growing up in the Dallas suburbs. I hear that's changing though. The damn kids don't want to drive.
19:32 < scwizard> gets me home to downtown to home
19:32 < scwizard> which is all i need for working and partying
19:33 < estranger> i travel a bunch, and i never rent a car .. or when i go to the airport ill uber.. or when i go to the train station even ill uber cus parking sucks at the station :)
19:33 < grumplestiltzkin> apparantly that's a big thing with the kids these days or 'millenials', not getting a driver license. I mena, in places like NYC or plausibly Boston, etc. I can kind of see it.  but its all over now.  with the ubers, etc.
19:33 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: dallas burbs are prob like it is here... nothing is within walking distance and nothing is within walking distance from the other thing you wanna do after that
19:33 < JollyRgrs> estranger: i was in quebec for a week
19:33 < hxcsp> everythings within a mile of eachother
19:33 < JollyRgrs> it was awful
19:34 < hxcsp> but not walking distance
19:34 < estranger> grumplestiltzkin, less and less people will get lics or own cars im sure
19:34 < hxcsp> plus its hot as fuck in the south
19:34 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: ehhhh.... my suburb I could plausibly walk/bike to a couple different grocery stores, drug stores, hobby shops, etc. but why would I when I can drive?
19:34 < JollyRgrs> i had to rely on uber... which wasn't bad for going to the office there
19:34 < estranger> there is less reason to for a lot of folks.. esp once everyting drives itself
19:34 < JollyRgrs> but i like muh freedoms
19:34 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: as in < 5 min walk?
19:34 < hxcsp> i just wanted my license and a car because... where else are you going to smoke pot? in your house?
19:34 < JollyRgrs> in the south, the heat (and humidity) makes any walk more than.. 30 seconds, pretty unbearable
19:34 < JollyRgrs> plus car = A/C
19:34 < estranger> JollyRgrs, was it for work or personal?
19:34 < JollyRgrs> estranger: work
19:34 < AnimalFarmPig> grumplestiltzkin: I had an early 20's coworker at previous job who would uber from Frisco to Love Field area every day for work because she didn't want to own a car. Kind of crazy.
19:35 < JollyRgrs> if ti was personal, i would have rented a car at least
19:35 < estranger> yeah.. and if it was work id still uber everywhere and expense it even if it wasnt directly for work =)
19:35 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: ehhh... depends which side of the parking lot you're going to. 5-10 minutes walk.
19:35 < estranger> that #startUpLife though
19:36 < JollyRgrs> walk in the heat and sweat... then enjoy the cool rain (not a heavy downpour)... get inside store... it downpours... it doesn't let up so you just say screw it and walk out
19:36 < JollyRgrs> 30 sec later, it stops raining, sun is out and now the roads are steaming
19:36 < grumplestiltzkin> like a ham
19:36 < JollyRgrs> and you are walking home in a sauna :(
19:36 < JollyRgrs> steamed ham?
19:36 < grumplestiltzkin> what other kind of ham is there?
19:37 < JollyRgrs> uh... rotisserie
19:37 < hxcsp> tavern style
19:37 < JollyRgrs> baked
19:37 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, prob was cheaper than owning a car + maint + insurance + parking
19:37 < hxcsp> chopped ham
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> https://binged.it/2GuhoWO  <--- suburb where I grew up. Just about every major intersection has grocery store and shopping at it.
19:37 < JollyRgrs> fried
19:37 < JollyRgrs> NOT-STEAMED
19:37 < hexmonkey> C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
19:37 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: did you bing it?
19:37 < hexmonkey> fuck i never use that at the right time
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> yes
19:37 < estranger> bing > *
19:37 < grumplestiltzkin> no, you can't have those kind of hams when watching aurora borealis
19:37 < JollyRgrs> i coudln't tell
19:37 < Hatter> JollyRgrs are you feeling well?
19:38 < hexmonkey> anyone else here use Okta for SSO?
19:38 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: 30 miles each way. Also, this is Texas, very few people pay for parking.
19:38 < JollyRgrs> i haven't felt a well in a while, like... artesian or just dig a hole and drop a bucket kinda well?
19:38 < hxcsp> AnimalFarmPig: i heard plano likes heroin
19:38 < grumplestiltzkin> paying for pariking is an Austin thing
19:38 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, oh frisco i thought was shorthand for SF
19:38 < hxcsp> also frito lays!@
19:38 < Hatter> I think there's something wrong with JollyRgrs you guys
19:38 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, i retract my statement :)
19:38 < JollyRgrs> except in downtown, no one pays for parking here, either
19:39 < estranger> $20 would be cheap parking downtown here
19:39 < JollyRgrs> geez :(
19:39 < AnimalFarmPig> hxcsp: yeah, right around the time I was graduating high school a bunch of people died. They did "Operation Rockfest" at my high school, where they sent in young cops to pretend to be students-- like 21 Jump Street. A bunch of people got arrested, and a bunch of shady behavior on the part of cops came out.
19:39 < estranger> ive only driven downtown twice in 2 years
19:39 < estranger> even for work when theyd pay for it. fuck that
19:39 < estranger> driving through the city sucks ass
19:40 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: I heard people from SF love when you call it Frisco
19:40 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: cops pretending to be in HS and hitting on the girls?
19:40 < estranger> that city smells of shit piss and weed
19:40 < JollyRgrs> "we had to fit in, couldn't blow our cover... so we just had to get blown"
19:41 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: good looking girl cop pleading with recovering junky to buy her heroin and implying that sex would result. Guy got hooked on heroin again and died of an OD.
19:41 < JollyRgrs> wow
19:41 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
19:43 < estranger> fuck ill be in `frisco in august
19:43 < estranger> peak of the smells like piss season
19:44 < grumplestiltzkin> Not sure if srs.    I know snoop lion calls san francisco  'frisco'     -  but Frisco sure is in the northern part of DFW.  nad its growing like gangbusters.  like stupidly so, traffic is a nightmare, the main roads are 3 lanes now
19:44 < AnimalFarmPig> people from SF hate it when you call it Frisco :)
19:45 < AnimalFarmPig> all the more reason to do so
19:45 < ebol4> saffron
19:47 < grumplestiltzkin> I've heard that too, that SF is having a big odor problem, with the boom in homeless population, and public defication.
19:47 < grumplestiltzkin> Don't they have a website that says where it's bad now?
19:47 < grumplestiltzkin> or like, an app
19:48 < estranger> grumplestiltzkin, be easier to mark where its good
19:49 < AnimalFarmPig> iirc, there's a SF poop map
19:49 < AnimalFarmPig> or maybe that was satire...
19:50 < AnimalFarmPig> https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/28/san-francisco-poop-map-real-thing-or-a-rumor/
19:51 < L3gacy> Galactic Civilizations II Ultimate bundle is free on humble!
19:52 < rhqq>  thx
19:52 < estranger> oops and I forgot to do my quarterly sales certification :D
19:52 < alazare619> lmao
19:52 < alazare619> my boss is in hawaii
19:52 < alazare619> and the volcano erupted today
19:53 < DOMF> taht must have been cool
19:53 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
19:53 < grumplestiltzkin> AnimalFarmPig: what was hte tl;dr on that.  its a paywall or 'disable ad block' or something
19:53 < alazare619> he might be flight bound to the island for awhile
19:54 < DOMF> damnit why can't I find any video of the eruption
19:54 < hexmonkey> DOMF: they all ded
19:54 < mrghostman> its an ash plume
19:54 < ebol4> unghhhhhh PBKDF2 in javascript is producing a different key than java with the same parameters, whyyyy
19:54 < mrghostman> not super interesting video
19:55 < ebol4> DOMF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI7XiJgt0vY
19:55 < AnimalFarmPig> grumplestiltzkin: oh, no problems for me. An interactive map of where the city street cleaners reported poop was created as an art project. Some people tried to make political hay from it. It is a real thing and exists, but it hasn't been updated since 2015.
19:55 < DOMF> hahahahaha
19:55 < DOMF> I remember sitting in my room for hours and hours trying to master that riff
20:08 < alazare619> DOMF:  it erupted at 415 am
20:09 < alazare619> and it was so vicious it was sending multi ton boulders up over 30k feet in the air
20:09 < alazare619> any go pro's are probably in china by now :P
20:09 < hxcsp> i read ash plume
20:09 < hxcsp> not multi ton boulder
20:09 < alazare619> there was multi ton boulders thrown as well
20:12 < gnupluslinux> is govt career death? can you transition back to private?
20:14 < coderphive> lol no
20:14 < gnupluslinux> no to the first or second
20:14 < coderphive> The badge of federal laziness
20:15 < coderphive> I actually don't know, just being sarcastic
20:15 < Casteil> how errupted?
20:15 < Casteil> like badass eruption or just lazy diarrhea
20:15 < corn266> You ever seen a woman give birth?
20:15 < corn266> That kinda eruption
20:15 < Sousapro> Casteil: pompeii
20:16 < AnimalFarmPig> srs?
20:16 < coderphive> woah
20:16 < genr8_> whoa
20:16 < Casteil> looks like it's a pretty legit eruption
20:16 < Sousapro> Casteil: the people in the stall next to him were turned into volcanic ash fossils
20:16 < SynMonger> I work in higher ed and get private sector job offers
20:16 < Casteil> at least judging by the huge ash cloud I see
20:17 < genr8_> cant find it
20:17 < AnimalFarmPig> https://i.imgur.com/xBm7c5I.png   <--- thanks google news
20:17 < Sousapro> Casteil: picture of person at the sink https://travelingjd.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/img_3857.jpg
20:17 < genr8_> thats hawaii
20:18 < alazare619> govt jobs are not death to career
20:18 < alazare619> there some of the best jobs super cush
20:18 < alazare619> things never really change and never really break
20:18 < genr8_> ill take one
20:22 < dragonfleas> how do i get a wife sysadmin
20:22 < dragonfleas> i need wife
20:22 < dragonfleas> should i contact russia
20:23 < gnupluslinux> no i hear phillipines is where it's at now
20:23 < Casteil> I'd be surprised if there weren't any webcams pointed at kilauea
20:26 < alazare619> phillipine wifes are dope
20:26 < alazare619> they will blow you then fuck you
20:26 < alazare619> with their dongs
20:27 < gnupluslinux> you're thinking thailand
20:28 < coderphive> I'd argue if things never change and things never break, it would be death to your career
20:29 < coderphive> maybe just me though
20:29 < coderphive> I am also a trash developer
20:29 < coderphive> so take it for what you will
20:29 < alazare619> PHOOOONIE
20:31 < scwizard> AnimalFarmPig: wow lol
20:31 < scwizard> ADVANCED AI MACHINE LEARNING
20:31 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
20:31 < gnupluslinux> yer a phoney!
20:31 < AnimalFarmPig> AI gonna put us all out of jobs soon!!!!
20:32 < L3gacy> AI TERK ER JERBS!
20:32 < hxcsp> can i just tell my boss to hire AI for the stuff i dont want to do
20:32 < grumplestiltzkin> You can be a toothpaste-cap-machine technician
20:33 < grumplestiltzkin> something something xkcd_automation.png
20:34 < scwizard> so when are they making an AI that can cyber?
20:34 < scwizard> serious question
20:34 < scwizard> and just let them loose on AOL chat or whatever?
20:34 < gnupluslinux> i do cyber
20:34 < gnupluslinux> am totally a robit
20:35 < AnimalFarmPig> would be an interesting way to conduct a turing test
20:35 < AnimalFarmPig> try to cyber with the other party
20:35 < grumplestiltzkin> does AOL still do those services?
20:35 < AnimalFarmPig> does AOL still exist?
20:36 < grumplestiltzkin> Im pretty sure they still do email
20:36 < grumplestiltzkin> but like. all teh other crap  ?
20:36 < vader-> Uhg why did Microsoft every think it was a great idea to allow GoDaddy to resell a specialized version of O365... I am trying to migrate off it via MigrationWiz and running into an issue now where MigrationWiz doesn't support OneDrive Migrations from GoDaddy...
20:36 < AnimalFarmPig> huh, yeah, I guess they do still exist. They're owned by Verizon.
20:36 < hxcsp> vader-: fuck godaddy o365
20:36 <@killdash9> AOL's sole business model is to keep billing sr citizens who forgot they signed up for AOL in 1998
20:36 < hxcsp> it sucks
20:37 < grumplestiltzkin> killdash9: I'd believe it
20:37 < Hatter> slow day
20:37 < Hatter> is there anything interesting to read or do
20:37 < TuxedoJack> How the fuck does a hardware tech not know that Celerons are nicknamed Celery
20:37 < hxcsp> killdash9: but how am i going to get to the internet without AOL? i got like 4000 hours free
20:38 < AnimalFarmPig> "The company discontinued AIM as a service on December 15, 2017"
20:38 < vader-> hxcsp thats why im moving the client away from it
20:38 < hxcsp> vader-: yeah my company acquired a company that had _just_ signed a 2 year contract with godaddy for that shit.  We finally just moved them off it not long ago
20:38 < grumplestiltzkin> TuxedoJack: 20 year old kids who weren't alive when overlcocking celerons was a big deal to save a bunch of cash
20:39 < Hatter> do you guys remember AMD
20:39 < grumplestiltzkin> AMD is still making stuff
20:39 < Hatter> whatever happened to them
20:40 < AnimalFarmPig> DAE remember Cyrix, Transmeta, and VIA?
20:40 < technonerd> Do you live under a rock?
20:40 < AnimalFarmPig> "On March 3, 2012, AOL ended employment of AIM's development staff while leaving it active and with help support still provided.[14] On October 5, 2017, it was announced that the AIM service would be discontinued on December 15." wow, the application ran for like 5 years without developers.
20:41 < hxcsp> AnimalFarmPig: it was funded by How to catch a predator for those 5 years
20:42 < grumplestiltzkin> AnimalFarmPig: IIRC "CA" does that sometimes.   like buy an end of life product, and just have helldesk support on it for quite a while, make cash still selling it
20:43 < Handle> First time setting up a DC and of course Windows decides to add AppData/Local and LocalLow to the Roaming Profile
20:43 < JollyRgrs> grumplestiltzkin: twist, they only caught FBI agents as no kids used AIM anymore
20:44 < Handle> Tried to fix it via GPO by updating the registry key in WinLogon but that didn't appear to have helped
20:46 < Handle> Does modifying registry keys in HKEY_CURRENT_USER via GPO work? Or would it fail because of insufficient permissions if the user isn't an admin?
20:49 < JollyRgrs> Handle: what do you think the "user" half of GPOs modifies?
20:50 < Handle> Well, user settings I guess
20:50 < ebol4> it modifies the user themselves
20:50 < JollyRgrs> do you know that HKEY_CURRENT_USER is just a shortcut?
20:50 < JollyRgrs> it changes depending on what account is being used
20:50 < ebol4> alters their genes
20:50 < Handle> Yeah
20:50 < JollyRgrs> so as SYSTEM (for machine policies), that key won't do a lick of good for std users
20:51 < ebol4> why you use lick and std in the same sentence
20:51 < Handle> I put it in the user settings of the GPO
20:51 < JollyRgrs> think of machine policy as HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE and user policy as HKEY_CURRENT_USER
20:51 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: just for you ;)
20:51 < Handle> But somehow Windows is still uploading Local and LocalLow to the DC
20:52 < Handle> even though it shouldn't
20:52 < Handle> because I never told it to do so
20:53 < vinrock> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdM0QJBWkAA_cYT.jpg
20:53 < Handle> I'll check the contens of NTUSER.dat
20:54 < gnupluslinux> i still get a kick out of that rogue brewery it position
20:54 < gnupluslinux> wanting you to do everything under the sun with no goals and all expectations
20:54 < gnupluslinux> oh and it's not one of them fancy it jobs that pays a whopping $50k hooo boy
20:54 < gnupluslinux> 50k gets you what? a cardboard box in sf?
20:55 < gnupluslinux> oh they're in portland, same deal
20:55 < vinrock> wat
20:55 < jaelae> SF you can get a nice apartment for only $3500 a month
20:55 < vinrock> that sysadmin opening only pays 50k
20:55 < vinrock> ?
20:56 < derpingit> ah.. i memba being naive and getting a job offer in SF for 50k
20:56 < derpingit> i was making like 12/h at my desk job and i was uber excited
20:57 < derpingit> 50k in sf is below poberty line
20:58 < JollyRgrs> woo! 3pm meeting just canceled
20:58 < JollyRgrs> derpingit: also below puberty line
20:58 < JollyRgrs> if you don't make over 50k, you can't even afford to eat enough calories to initiate puberty
20:59 < gnupluslinux> yeah 50 gets you shit in SF
21:00 < gnupluslinux> ur gonna have a hard time pulling less than 6figs in SV
21:00 < ebol4> stardew valley
21:00 < JollyRgrs> my wife likes that game
21:00 <@killdash9> you need $300k+/yr to afford a median house in S.F. these days
21:00 < ebol4> JollyRgrs: i've tried to like it a couple times but it's so slow
21:00 < gnupluslinux> vinrock, https://i.imgur.com/cfGFm5j.png
21:01 < JollyRgrs> well well well
21:01 < ebol4> and BORING
21:01 < vinrock> yeah i remember the ad, thats a classic
21:01 < JollyRgrs> if it isn't mister fun ruiner himself!
21:01 < JollyRgrs> hi killdash9 :P
21:01 < vinrock> i thought it was still open because nobody is that retarded
21:01 < JollyRgrs> killdash9 ruined battlefront II
21:01 < Church-> killdash9: It's spreading to middle cali as well. Glad I don't live there anymore.
21:01 < gnupluslinux> im in OC, to qualify for a loan to afford a median house, you need to show income of ~179k
21:01 < JollyRgrs> all the bad ideas were his
21:01 < ebol4> if killdash9 lived in the sea he would be krilldash9
21:02 < JollyRgrs> ebol4: if he was your dad, he'd be killdouche9
21:02 < ebol4> that'd make you my creepy uncle
21:03 < Church-> ebol4: Show us on the doll where JollyRgrs touched you.
21:04 < DomLS3> killdash9: moral of the story, don't live in S.F
21:05 < DomLS3> or California at all for that matter. Worst state in the US
21:05 < Church-> Definitely not the worst state.
21:06 < DomLS3> Church-: Which state beats it in your opinion?
21:06 < ebol4> ohio.
21:06 < ebol4> fuck ohio
21:06 < Church-> Hmm... maybe arkansas or Ohklahoma.
21:06 < DomLS3> ebol4: just because you got a STD in Ohio doesn't mean it's a bad state
21:06 < ebol4> also arizona
21:07 < DomLS3> https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/01/california-ranks-last-quality-life-new-report/384853002/
21:07 < DomLS3> "California has the WORST quality of life in the US"
21:07 < ebol4> but which state is the best?
21:07 < ebol4> obviously oregon
21:09 < DomLS3> Best state would be hard to pick from... but California is easily the worst if not one of the worst
21:09 < JollyRgrs> #penisStateBestState
21:10 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: so you prefer a state full of penis?
21:11 < DomLS3> Sounds like Texas is your choice
21:11 < DomLS3> Only steers and queers come from Texas and both have dicks
21:11 < DomLS3> RIP R. Lee Ermey
21:12 < Hatter> A JELLY DONUT
21:12 < DomLS3> ugh who let Hatter in here
21:12 < derpingit> i'm in san diego, where housing is getting incredibly expensive.. we think is bad, but it actually isn't you can get a decent 2br rental for <2k a month
21:12 < DomLS3> 2b rental for <2k a month
21:12 < DomLS3> ahahahahahah
21:13 < derpingit> I'm comparing to SF
21:13 < DomLS3> here I am sitting on 2,800 SF 4br house with <1,500 mortgage
21:13 < ebol4> i'm at 2400/month for a studio in NYC
21:13 < derpingit> california coastal cities are highly coveted my friend..
21:13 < DomLS3> NYC is outrageous
21:13 < DomLS3> people pay millions for 900 sq ft
21:13 < derpingit> holeshet.. nice, DomLS3 .. did you buy it back in the 1700's ?
21:14 < DomLS3> derpingit: no I bought it in 2015 and it was built in 2012
21:14 < misspwn_> yeesh
21:14 < derpingit> sf, as in .. san francisco, california ?
21:14 < cantibot> Well I'm sitting on my fucking balls so TAKE THAT!
21:14 < derpingit> gtfo
21:15 < AnimalFarmPig> I bet it's SF as in square feet
21:15 < derpingit> oh my bad
21:15 < misspwn_> tell me i'm gona break somethin if i cancel this mem test
21:15 < AnimalFarmPig> that's how I read it at first as well, as being in Frisco
21:16 < AnimalFarmPig> but, that would be absurd, he would have needed to buy it in the 1700's as suggested
21:16 < Casteil> 1850 SF, 3br, 2ba, half acre lot.. <$1200/mo mortgage+escrow
21:16 < gnupluslinux> SD is consistently rated as one of the better places to live
21:16 < vinrock> ebol4:  that's not really too bad
21:16 < Casteil> (<1200/mo figure covers principal, interest, tax, insurance)
21:17 < Casteil> <gnupluslinux> SD is consistently rated as one of the better places to live < If you like living in BFE
21:17 < ebol4> vinrock: my man.... it's pretty bad
21:17 < vinrock> im paying $1800/mo for like a ~900sqft townhouse
21:17 < derpingit> best thing about SD is mexico right next door :)
21:17 < gnupluslinux> BFE?
21:17 < Casteil> oh
21:17 < Casteil> san diego
21:17 < Casteil> ?
21:17 < jbroome> think of the money you can save on medication!
21:17 < estranger> bumfuck east?
21:17 < gnupluslinux> yeah
21:17 < derpingit> yeah
21:17 < Casteil> SD = south dakota.
21:17 < gnupluslinux> no, san diego, ca
21:17 < br34k> i heard santa cruz, ca is super cheap
21:17 < AnimalFarmPig> I want to move to Hungary. Wife owns a ~1500 sq ft townhouse outright there. Paying $1500/mo rent for a 1800 sq ft 3br/2ba now.
21:17 < derpingit> i have previously said San Diego
21:17 < gnupluslinux> we dont acknowledge the dakota here
21:17 < vinrock> couldnt move to hungary with a wife tho
21:17 < vinrock> hunagrian womenz are too hot
21:18 < estranger> br34k, maybe cheap compared to san jose
21:18 < Church-> ebol4: Ouch. $700 for a 1B, 1Br in Brk.
21:18 < vinrock> wouldnt be able to keep it locked up
21:18 < estranger> but I wouldnt say cheap
21:18 < Casteil> it's california, the only "better places to live" lists that include SD originate in CA
21:18 < Church-> Is what I got.
21:18 < gnupluslinux> br34k, cheap in california is not cheap elsewhere lol
21:18 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, yeah, some good looking women in HU
21:18 < gnupluslinux> here a 300k house is "cheap" to put it in perspective
21:18 < estranger> south bay house mean is like $1.5m now isnt it?
21:18 < estranger> 300k is a shack in many places
21:18 < ebol4> Church-: brooklyn? that would have to be sharing the bedroom with a roommate or two to get that low
21:18 < br34k> estranger, gnupluslinux sorry my sarcasm was not apparent. it's fucking expensive lol
21:18 < Church-> ebol4: Rent Control
21:18 < estranger> br34k, yeah south bay is fucked as a whole =)
21:18 < gnupluslinux> br34k, that darn irc
21:19 < AnimalFarmPig> I like the people there. Nice feeling of cynicism. Also, the flatness of the landscape reminds me of home.
21:19  * Church- was fucking blessed by the housing gods.
21:19 < ebol4> Church-: have you been living there since like 1982 or something
21:19 < ebol4> jesus
21:19 < vinrock> i look forward to buying a house but the closer i get, the more i dont think i can do it in nj
21:19 < gnupluslinux> oh i remember where santa cruz is now
21:19 < gnupluslinux> yeah fuck that place haha
21:19 < vinrock> i couldnt live with myself paying these insane property taxes
21:19 < estranger> im not sure if I want to buy a house in IL
21:19 < AnimalFarmPig> vinrock: that's the conclusion I came to about buying in Dallas metro area.
21:19 < Church-> ebol4: Nah got it transferred from a family member.
21:20 < ebol4> ahhhh
21:20 < ebol4> nice
21:20 < vinrock> the sorta place id want i'll be stuck footing at least $1k/mo in taxes
21:20 < Church-> estranger: Every other place goes fot $3K
21:20 < Casteil> the only way anywhere in CA ends up on a "better places to live" list is if your list's criteria is "spend the most and get the least"
21:20 < gnupluslinux> same with santa monica
21:20 < Church-> This is right in the middle of greenpoint.
21:20 < gnupluslinux> only "affordable" santa i know of is like, santa ana
21:20 < ebol4> Church-: the landlord is going to have you whacked
21:20 < Casteil> or "full of dirty hippies"
21:20 < Casteil> :X
21:20 < estranger> get a south bay salary and live in the midwest.  works out well
21:21 < gnupluslinux> Casteil, i dunno man, permanent 70F is pertty nice
21:21 < vinrock> my brother is law is an it recruiter for tech 150
21:21 < vinrock> makes big money
21:21 < gnupluslinux> gotta live in like a beach city for that though
21:21 < vinrock> they let keep his job when he moved, so in tampa making san fran income now
21:21 < AnimalFarmPig> I lived in Fresno for a couple of months. I kind of liked it. I could afford to live in a nicer neighborhood than in Sacramento or the Bay Area. Roads were good, weather was nice. I felt less likely to get stabbed during day to day life.
21:21 < Casteil> one pro in an ocean full of cons
21:22 < vinrock> eh id rather eat shit for lunch every day than live in cali
21:22 < vinrock> lotta great people in cali... but way more shitlors than any other place i been to as well
21:22 < Church-> ebol4: lol, maybe.
21:23 < Church-> ebol4: But splitting it with my partner it's only like $350 to me.
21:23 < ebol4> that's nuts
21:23 < vinrock> church are you gay
21:23 < ebol4> vinrock: you can have a heterosexual life partner you homophobe
21:23 < vinrock> that sounds like
21:23 < vinrock> too formal
21:23 < Church-> Yeahhhh. vinrock: I don't know sailor. Are you? ;P
21:23 < derpingit> vinrock i'm interested to know why your perception of cali is shitlords.. people here are super chill..
21:23 < vinrock> but if hes gay then it sounds ok
21:24 < AnimalFarmPig> I wouldn't want to live in LA, Bay Area, Sacramento, San Diego, Bakersfield, Modesto, Stockton, ..... uhhhh... probably a bunch of other parts of the state... but I was pleasantly surprised by Fresno. Up around Chico or Paradise seems like it would be nice too. If I didn't have to work, I wouldn't mind to live in the Scott Valley (near Yreka) again.
21:24 < Church-> Used to live in the middling bay area. Was nice.
21:24 < vinrock> derpingit:  ive been to bay area and oc, havent gotten to spend much time inbetween or way up north
21:24 < vinrock> but the general vibe is everyone has this 'im better than you' attitude and they're all cookie cutter similar
21:24 < vinrock> tall blonde with fake tits driving an escalade on rims, short blond dude with big biceps driving a convertible 3-series
21:25 < AnimalFarmPig> my wife lived in El Sobrante (kind of east of Richmond) with a bunch of roommates when she moved to the states. That looked pretty nice, and they paid a decent rent, but I doubt it would be affordable these days.
21:25 < vinrock> in dana point the person i made friends with was some mexican i couldnt even understand
21:25 < vinrock> also, cali is the only place ive ever been to and actually seen packs of skinheads
21:25 < vinrock> amnd i been everywhere meng
21:25 < derpingit> vinrock i get that impression when i go to LA .. i hate that city with passion. i hope you got to know other places.
21:26 < vinrock> san fran i liked but that was in the 90s when it was just full of filipinos
21:26 < vinrock> the san fran of today id probably get in a fist fight somwwhere
21:26 < derpingit> lol
21:26 < vinrock> vallejo is probably the most chillax place in cali i been to
21:27 < vinrock> well, spent time in i mean
21:27 < vinrock> not just drive thru
21:27 <@killdash9> then you've never been to Humboldt
21:27 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, vallejo...
21:27 < derpingit> i will agree with you if your experience was LA people. even the homeless think they're better than you.
21:27 < vinrock> nah havent been north of the bay area
21:27 < vinrock> that id love to check out tho
21:27 < AnimalFarmPig> you have weird experience with california
21:27 <@killdash9> then you've missed some of the best parts of Cali
21:27 < vinrock> i know man
21:27 < vinrock> vallejo was fun tho because it was kinda ghetto but not really and everyone seemed down to earth
21:28 < vinrock> also the mcdicks there actually made their big macs EXACTLY like the commercial
21:28 <@killdash9> derpingit: let's be honest. Everyone thinkgs they are better than vinrock
21:28 < AnimalFarmPig> it's like that all the way east on 80 to the Nevada border
21:28 < derpingit> lol
21:28 < AnimalFarmPig> the kinda ghetto part, at least
21:29 < vinrock> i took a greyhound from newark nj to denver co when i was a kid
21:29 < vinrock> that was a huge mistake
21:29 < grumplestiltzkin> being on a bus full of newjersians?  yeah, I could see that
21:29 < vinrock> half the trip was ohioans
21:30 < vinrock> we stopped in cleveland at the erminal and switched buses, i almost got arrested because i didnt know it was illegal to bring alchohol across state lines
21:30 < vinrock> somewhere in the middle of iowa the bus driver told some goth to get the fuck off the bus
21:31 < vinrock> dude just stopped, nothing in sight for miles and this goth dude just walked off into a field
21:31 < vinrock> shit was weird af
21:31 < vinrock> and then in my photos i realize the dude behind me had a pistol in his waistband the whole time
21:32 < JollyRgrs> if you ever wondered what it was like to be a fan of Snow (of "Informer" fame)....
21:32 < JollyRgrs> https://imgur.com/a/TbCEhcO
21:32 < vinrock> eein fooooo ma!
21:32 < alazare619> vinrock: but did he die?
21:32 < vinrock> he had some young girl with him
21:32 < vinrock> probably a teenage runaway he was pimpin at the truck stops
21:33 < alazare619> the goth?
21:33 < vinrock> oh the goth
21:33 < vinrock> no idea he straight up walked off into the sunset
21:33 < vinrock> with those giant boots with the platform soles and giant buckles
21:33 < JollyRgrs> haha
21:33 < JollyRgrs> the quintessential goth frankenstein boots
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: what a weird mix. Milli Vanilli & Kros Kross but also Talking Heads, Coolio, and Shaggy
21:33 < JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: ikr?
21:34 < vinrock> oh fuck shaggy
21:34 < vinrock> thats my shit
21:34 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: maybe the Snow fan likes Milli Vanilli and Kris Kross ironically
21:34 < JollyRgrs> lol, that's what i was thinking
21:34 < derpingit> my definition of ghetto changed the minute i took a cruise that docked in panama
21:35 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ the minute I looked out the window and saw Lagos, Nigeria from the air
21:35 < vinrock> nigeria?
21:35 < vinrock> id imagine its a crystal paradise what with all those princes running around
21:35 < Heresiarch> ^ the minute I saw Mumbai, IN from a major highway.
21:35 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, my father worked there for several years. Definitely not a paradise...
21:36 < hxcsp> oil business
21:36 < vinrock> id love to visit india sometime
21:36 < vinrock> dont think i could handle the funk tho
21:36 < derpingit> lol "the funk"
21:36 < JollyRgrs> currently starting a station "Most Streamed Rock of 2017"
21:37 < JollyRgrs> it sucks
21:37 < Hatter> do you guys like any good music
21:37 < JollyRgrs> it's all like... crappy stuff until 6-7 songs in i hit 311 and foo fighters
21:37 < vinrock> the last concert i saw was hatebreed
21:37 < JollyRgrs> it's got like... cold war kids, harlea, and waters... i dunno WhoTF these ppl even are
21:37 < derpingit> obligatory school of rock song
21:37 < hxcsp> last concert i saw was.... foo fighters
21:37 < JollyRgrs> Hatter: yes, i like good music
21:37 < JollyRgrs> hxcsp: lucky
21:37 < Hatter> I never got into the foo fighters
21:37 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, oil business. He lived with a bunch of expats. They worked rotations-- month on, month off, etc. I visited during some off months. It was basically non-stop party.
21:37 < hxcsp> next concert...... slayer
21:38 < AnimalFarmPig> partied harder in Nigeria than I did in college
21:38 < Heresiarch> Hatter: I doubt you'll find many Lawrence Welk fans in here.
21:38 < vinrock> wish i was more into metal when dimebag was still alive
21:38 < vinrock> would've loved to see a pantera concert
21:38 < Hatter> I had to look up Lawrence Welk
21:38 < Hatter> looks like he was pretty cutting edge
21:38 < Hatter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8tdmaEhMHE
21:38 < Hatter> groovy
21:39 < TuxedoJack> Good night
21:39 < TuxedoJack> Sleep tight
21:39 < TuxedoJack> And pleasant dreaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaams to you
21:39  * JollyRgrs just changed up to the suicide squad soundtrack
21:40 < JollyRgrs> got that purple lamborghini
21:40 < Hatter> that can't be good can it
21:40 < vinrock> listen to some austrian death machine
21:40 < JollyRgrs> Hatter: it is pretty good
21:41 < Hatter> I was rocking out to this song in my car this morning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXI5lR4qvM
21:43 < corn266> Rock no vocals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njBJs0UcW5A
21:43 < dragonfleas> why are 240sx's pretty much nonexistent on craigslist
21:43 < dragonfleas> ugh
21:43 < cantibot> JollyRgrs what do you usually listen to?
21:43 < dragonfleas> i want to build a drift missile
21:44 < vinrock> because everyone already chopped em up for SUUUPERO DORRRIFTO
21:44 < dragonfleas> vinrock, yeah you're right
21:44 < dragonfleas> people be wrecking them street drifting
21:44 < dragonfleas> i can't even find fucking rollers for less than 2000
21:45 < vinrock> if you wana build a drift machine first year of the MK4 supras can now be imported
21:45 < dragonfleas> there's an SR20 one on craigslist in my area for 3250 but it needs a new clutch kit and i don't feel like dropping a tranny as soon as i buy it
21:45 < dragonfleas> vinrock, wait MK4 supra's can be imported now!!??!?!?!?!?
21:45 < cantibot> JollyRgrs check this out https://soundcloud.com/djnewflow/throw-some-ds-x-purple-lamborghini-reflowed-by-new-flow
21:45 < vinrock> yep, MK4 started in 1993
21:45 < vinrock> thats 25 years this year
21:46 < dragonfleas> whew
21:46 < vinrock> and unlike a skyline you can actually convert em to lhd
21:46 < dragonfleas> found a 1993 on an import site
21:46 < dragonfleas> 14000
21:46 < vinrock> non-vvvti
21:46 < vinrock> thats also the more desireable engine
21:46 < dragonfleas> it's the SZ with a nice body kit
21:46 < dragonfleas> >it's fucking auto
21:47 < dragonfleas> bye
21:47 < vinrock> hah
21:48 < dragonfleas> fuckk
21:48 < dragonfleas> the RZ's are 20k+import costs
21:48 < dragonfleas> that would cost so much money
21:48 < dragonfleas> might as well buy a scoob
21:50 < JollyRgrs> cantibot: i normally listen to a lot of stuff... 90s alt rock, underground hip hop, frozen and moana soundtrack (I got kids, it happens), guilty pleasures of 80s and 90s... beatles, 60s and 70s rock, etc...
21:50 < vinrock> jollyrgrs who is the greatest rapper of all time
21:50 < JollyRgrs> pretty much any good music, except i can't do country and ppl like skrillix normally piss me off, but when he collabs with ppl it isn't so bad
21:50 < JollyRgrs> vinrock: rapper or MC?
21:50 < vinrock> mc
21:50 < cantibot> ^^^
21:51 < cantibot> That is the real question
21:51 < JollyRgrs> i'm not into it enough to put a vote on the bestest
21:51 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: can't do country, what about JOHNNY CASH
21:51 < vinrock> i'll answer for you
21:51 < vinrock> BIG L
21:51 < JollyRgrs> i think nate dogg has been pretty influential
21:51 < cantibot> yea but big l had barrrrssss
21:51 < xamithan> You know you like nelly
21:51 < ebol4> can they like, force all managers to attend a class on how not to be fucking terrifying when you want to talk to an employee
21:51 < vinrock> big l's lyrics were fuckin unreal
21:51 < JollyRgrs> Hatter: maaaaaaybe one or two of his songs... it's the twang (both in voice and guitar) that i can't handle
21:51 < JollyRgrs> vinrock: i udnno who even big l is
21:51 < vinrock> ofc the dumbfuck had to keep it real and stay in the hood til he got shot
21:51 < Hatter> seems a little racist
21:51 < JollyRgrs> obv. not that good
21:52 < vinrock> look up the song Ebonics
21:52 < ebol4> "Hey <employee>.... come see me in my office immediately..." and it ends up just being like checking in on how your work is going
21:52 < JollyRgrs> ok, if he had a song called ebonics, he's not GOAT rapper/MC
21:52 < cantibot> vinrock send him that Jay-Z Big L battle tape that shit is legandary
21:52 < estranger> man im tired
21:52 < JollyRgrs> jay-z isn't anywhere close to best rapper
21:52 < vinrock> seriously jolly you have to listen to his stuff, ebonics is one of the best songs of all time
21:52 < JollyRgrs> he's a good pop artist :P
21:52 < vinrock> cantibot knows whats up
21:52 < vinrock> jayz was great back in the day
21:52 < cantibot> ^^^
21:53 < vinrock> after streets is watching he got all fluffy
21:53 < vinrock> if you listen to his early, early shit he was one of the fast rappers
21:53 < vinrock> b-side of the in my lifetime single
21:53 < estranger> BHG in the mid 90s yo
21:54 < vinrock> best mixtape of all time:  Do Wop 95 Live
21:54 < JollyRgrs> so far not impressed with ebonics
21:54 < cantibot> I'm from Minnesota so Atmosphere is con·sis·tent·ly in my top 3
21:54 < vinrock> LIES
21:54 < cantibot> Slug is a BEAST
21:54 <@cryptic1> 90s were best
21:54 < cantibot> I love his 95-97 shit it's so fucking raw
21:54 < estranger> man I was so dope in the 90s
21:54 < JollyRgrs> cryptic1+++
21:55 < cantibot> .yt write now atmosphere JollyRgrs there check that out
21:55 < cantibot> fuck
21:55 < cantibot> .yt write now
21:55 < cantibot> hmm...I guess that only works in 420chan? lol
21:55 < JollyRgrs> you guys keep giving me songs that are "meh" and i'll stop trying to give it a shot
21:55 < JollyRgrs> cantibot: we used to have a bot that did that
21:55 < JollyRgrs> then we got some brokeass replacement and it didn't work
21:55 < JollyRgrs> :P
21:55 < cantibot> sadddd
21:56 < estranger> .ty rebecca black
21:56 < estranger> .yt
21:56 < JollyRgrs> TUBE YOU, estranger !!! TUBE YOU!
21:56 < cantibot> I know this is probably not a popular opinion but 420chan IRC is legandary
21:56 < cantibot> The bots are the fucking best!
21:56 < JollyRgrs> cantibot: any bots would be best if you are high as a kite
21:57 < cantibot> TRUE.
21:57 <@killdash9> or as retarded as an average 4chan user
21:57 < cantibot> hey now, we're talking 420chan!
21:58 < cantibot> is layer8 still muted?
21:59 < dragonfleas> so i'm expected to work from home often
21:59 < dragonfleas> am i allowed to write off my home internet bill
21:59 < dragonfleas> on my taxes
21:59 < dragonfleas> because they don't reimburse me
21:59 < vinrock> (3:54:51 PM) estranger: man I was so dope in the 90s
21:59 < vinrock> me too my man
22:00 < estranger> wtf happened
22:00 < vinrock> supafly rockin the z. cavariccis then cross colours then karl kani jeans to parasucos
22:01 < vinrock> now i dress...
22:01 < vinrock> like a fuckin dad
22:01 < vinrock> :(
22:01 < dragonfleas> 420chan drug boards are amazing
22:01 < cantibot> ^^^^
22:01 < cantibot> YAS!
22:01 < cantibot> I am VINDICATED!!!
22:04 < Casteil> caught a chipmunk on the side of my house lol
22:04 < vinrock> caught or saw
22:05 < Casteil> made the 'mistake' of trying to hide in a scrap piece of dead-end gutter
22:05 < Casteil> caught & released
22:05 < vinrock> dafuq
22:05 < vinrock> you're supposed to befriend him before you release him
22:05 < Casteil> had him contained in the piece of downspout lol
22:06 < Casteil> he looked up at me like "ok so this is how it ends" for about 2 seconds when I tipped him out of the tube
22:06 < vinrock> maybe he was grateful
22:06 < vinrock> transmitted some chipmunk powers you just have yet to realize
22:07 < vinrock> you now have a spirit animal
22:09 < Casteil> chipmunk? that's a pretty lame spirit animal
22:09 < Casteil> why couldn't it be a falcon or something
22:09 < vinrock> the chipmunk conned you with its cuteness
22:10 < vinrock> its ok my spirit animal is a flying swuirrel
22:12 < br34k> my spirit animal is a spider monkey
22:13 <@killdash9> my spirit animal is a Gudetama
22:15 < vinrock> oh twitter
22:15 < vinrock> "MS-13 gang members do heinous things but they are not animals.  Human beings should not be referred  to as animals...period"
22:15 < ravioli> my spirit animal is the dongerdong
22:18 < estranger> you and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
22:22 < alazare619> my spirit animal is a sloth
22:23 < vinrock> man we would be a pack of badass motherfuckers if we all called on our spirit animals at once
22:23 < alazare619> inb4 kick
22:24 < alazare619> you ever see a sloth on meth
22:24 < alazare619> it morphs into a dropbear
22:24 <@Code_Man65> Who needs kicking?
22:24 < vinrock> chipmunk, flying squirrel, spider monkey, an egg yolk with a butt, a penis and a sloth.
22:24 < ravioli> walk into a bar
22:25 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/F5C6wBzk/image.png
22:25 < alazare619> ^ drop bear on meth
22:26 < Casteil> american drop bear
22:28 < scwizard> so ECS is still a thing, "fargate" is just the name of the uhh
22:28 < scwizard> it's just a new type of cluster
22:28 < scwizard> which runs on money instead of on ec2 instances
22:28 < Heresiarch> scwizard: fargate == ECS without having to spin up EC2 instances.
22:29 < scwizard> still an upgrade
22:29 < Heresiarch> Also, I would like to note that I was wrong about AWX/Tower. It's relatively complex to set up, but damn it's nice.
22:30 < scwizard> Heresiarch: i actually didn't know tower ahd an upstream open source
22:30 < scwizard> i thought it was 100% closed source interesting
22:30 < Heresiarch> scwizard: https://github.com/ansible/awx
22:30 < scwizard> yeah just saw
22:31 < TuxedoJack> Anyone mind looking over some powershell before I run it on an Exchange cluster?
22:31 < Heresiarch> they did go a little obnoxious in that the install docs are all container-based, but I can kind of understand why.
22:31 < TuxedoJack> Trying to purge a series of infected e-mails
22:31 < DomLS3> Code_Man65: Your mother needs kicking
22:31 < DomLS3> :o
22:32 < scwizard> http://ec2co-ecsel-ofgsf954gvyh-806036824.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/
22:32 < scwizard> ok now i just need to uhh
22:32 < scwizard> make a few changes
22:32  * scwizard is questioning why they said they would get everything done in 3 months
22:33 < Heresiarch> scwizard forgot Scotty's Law.
22:34 < scwizard> well he was like "yeah so 8 weeks right"
22:34 < ravioli> is scotty's law that scotty doesn't know that fiona and me do it in my van every sunday?
22:34 < scwizard> and I was like "uhh how about 12"
22:35 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: Scotty's law? Say that it will take ten times longer than it will actually take so you look like a miracle worker when it's done with half the allotted time remaining?
22:35 < scwizard> idgi
22:35 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: winnerwinnerchickendinner.jpg
22:35 < scwizard> but then I go back to ecs docs
22:35 < scwizard> and it starts talking about container instances
22:36 < scwizard> oh no
22:36 < scwizard> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=820873&tstart=0
22:37 < scwizard> oh noooooooooooo
22:37 < scwizard> not even read only?
22:37 < Heresiarch> ...if you're mounting shared/block storage on a container, you're doing it wrong.
22:38 < scwizard> Heresiarch: if the containers are running php code, is there anyway to update the php code on the containers without rebuilding said container?
22:38 < ihre> wew
22:38 < Heresiarch> scwizard: no, but that's why containers are the fap fantasy of the immutable crowd.
22:38 < scwizard> bleh
22:38 < scwizard> but the thing is
22:38 < scwizard> containers takes like 15 minutes to build
22:38 <@cryptic1> ugh that sounds horrible
22:39 < scwizard> and then a rolling update probably takes another 5
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> scwizard: are you rebuilding from scratch each time?
22:39 < scwizard> whereas now a deploy takes 4 minutes
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> docker is supposed to cache each step in the docker file and only execute the ones that change
22:39 < scwizard> AnimalFarmPig: that's a good point
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> and that, of course, never ever causes problems
22:40 < scwizard> i wanted to periodically rebuild from scratch so i get security updates
22:40 < scwizard> but i could make it so only the weekly builds rebuild from scratch
22:40 < scwizard> i still don't like it so much
22:40 < Heresiarch> scwizard: even pulling from scratch, the only things that should change are the updated blocks.
22:40 < Heresiarch> unless you're deleting your images and recreating them.
22:41 < Church-> scwizard: What don't you like? The build times?
22:41 < scwizard> Church-: well those can be fixed as we were just discussing but
22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, interesting, didn't realize that. I bet he's doing some network operations in the build script though-- like pulling security updates. Going to have to wait around for that.
22:41 < Heresiarch> scwizard: besides. How much of that time is running composer?
22:41 < scwizard> i guess what I was hoping was that
22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> unless maybe you set up an apt proxy
22:41 < Church-> scwizard: Yep. Honestly just need to structure you're RUN statements well.
22:41 < scwizard> container versions would correspond to server config
22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> or the CentOS equivalent
22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> or whatever userland you're running in the container
22:41 < scwizard> and that code versions would correspond to code versions
22:42 < scwizard> Church-: and properly cache thingies and yeah
22:42 < Church-> Yep
22:42 < scwizard> well maybe here's the thing
22:42 < scwizard> i don't need to tightly couple all the container stuff with the code
22:42 < scwizard> just the php container
22:43 < alazare619> lxc vs docker
22:43 < alazare619> which do you prefer
22:43 < alazare619> i prefer docker
22:43 < scwizard> who the fuck uses lxc
22:44 < scwizard> you should just use docker so you're using the same shit everyone else is
22:44 < alazare619> proxmox
22:44 < ihre> not again alazare619, lol
22:44 < Church-> scwizard: lxc is decent
22:44 < AnimalFarmPig> shouldn't the devs be the ones building the dockerfiles so that ops doesn't need to worry about it and everyone can be sure that the environment is the same in dev and production? That's the promise of docker right?
22:44  * AnimalFarmPig laughs in snake-oil
22:44 < tapoxi> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-openssh-client-installed-by-default-in-april-2018-update/ !!!
22:44 < scwizard> Church-: yeah but using software with small user bases maks me nervous
22:44 < Church-> scwizard: Depends on the use. Lxc is for running OS's. Docker for applications.
22:44 < alazare619> ive used lxc and ive used docker
22:44 < ihre> while docker used lxc initially, its something completely different now
22:44 < tapoxi> AnimalFarmPig: devops builds the dockerfiles, dev builds the apps
22:44 < alazare619> ive also ran full os's in docker...
22:45 < Church-> I like to think of lxc as the step between VM's and docker.
22:45 < ihre> thats what im getting at
22:45 < Church-> alazare619: Oh I know you can.
22:45 < ihre> not again
22:45 < ihre> come on :p
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> tapoxi: that's fair enough, I guess
22:45 < Church-> You shouldn't but you can.
22:45 < alazare619> well it was only alpine :P
22:45 < ihre> 'zentyal in a docker' hurr durr
22:45 < alazare619> which is only like 30 MB lol
22:45 < scwizard> Church-: then the question "which do you prefer" is dumb to begin with
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> I like to think of docker as a step between a statically linked binary and a chroot
22:46 < alazare619> lets call it a DLCHROOT
22:46 < Church-> scwizard: Well I didn't say that. :P It kinda is.
22:47 < ihre> and fwiw, you still didnt run a full os in a container, you dont have an init ;p
22:47 < ihre> s/container/docker image
22:47 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
22:47 < ihre> which is available with lxc
22:47 < AnimalFarmPig> lxc is a container
22:47 < AnimalFarmPig> docker is... something else
22:48 < Heresiarch> ...speaking of which, fair warning to anyone looking to run ubuntu 18.04: they switched to systemd-resolved, which stubs resolv.conf to 127.0.0.53. RIP docker DNS resolution.
22:48 < programmerq> it's really a question of opinions and best practices. Docker and LXC both use the same kernel features to achieve containerization. Docker community best practice is to run one process in a container, while LXC tends to favor running an init inside a container.
22:48 < programmerq> but you can do both approaches with either system.
22:48 < alazare619> who cares about init
22:48 < Church-> programmerq: Heh perfect person to chime in. :P
22:48 < AnimalFarmPig> too much confusion comes out of thinking of docker as a container. People think they can do things that they would do with a full operating system. Think of LXC/openvz/whatever as containers and docker as fat processes and things become simpler.
22:48 < alazare619> its all systemdeez nuts anyways
22:49 < corn266> Any way I can disable users from turning on or connecting to wifi spots in rhel?
22:49 < ihre> Heresiarch: systemd-resolved is still a pain in the ass ><
22:50 < Heresiarch> s/systemd-resolved/systemd/g
22:50 < tapoxi> systemd-kubernetesd
22:50 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: echo "blacklist 80211 > /etc/modprobe.d/fuck_wifi"; rmmod -f 80211
22:50 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: or whatever the actual name of the kernel module is
22:50 < tapoxi> guys prod k8s is the shit
22:50 < alazare619> s/the/
22:50 < ihre> tapoxi: https://github.com/coreos/vault-operator
22:51 < ihre> was just reading that :)
22:51 < Heresiarch> someone needs to lock Poettering in a room with an HP-UX/Solaris box for a month.
22:51 < Church-> tapoxi: It is, been studying it for thr last week or two.
22:51 < ihre> tapoxi: fwiw, you should try oc :D
22:51 < corn266> Sorry AnimalFarmPig but how do I find out the module name?
22:51 < tapoxi> ihre: but y vault
22:52 < tapoxi> ihre: native at-rest secrets encryption in k8s 1.8
22:52 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: looks like mac80211 and cfg80211 will do it
22:52 < programmerq> solaris zones sound neat. I haven't used solaris, but I understand that with a zone you essentially get a read-only copy of the kernel running for a given zone.
22:52 < tapoxi> Church-: we killed all our VMs. I joined the cult
22:52 < AnimalFarmPig> you can `lsmod` and look for things related to wifi to find out the names, but disabling those two modules should disable wifi
22:53 < tapoxi> absolutely no virtual machines just k8s clusters
22:53 < programmerq> tapoxi▸ what do you use to provision all your bare metal hosts?
22:53 < ihre> tapoxi: that still requires provisioning of those secrets itself, while vault can handle that dynamically, i dont want or need to know secrets :P
22:53 < AnimalFarmPig> tapoxi: what do you do about storage?
22:53 < tapoxi> programmerq: no bare metal hosts, gke
22:54 < tapoxi> AnimalFarmPig: persistent volume claims bruh
22:54 < ihre> https://github.com/rook/rook is pretty interesting too for k8s storage, a CRD based on ceph
22:54 < programmerq> that seems like saying "we don't use VMs, we use ec2!"
22:54 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't k8 much (yet, apparently we're moving to it at some point). Is this just mounting some persistent storage inside the docker process?
22:54 < tapoxi> programmerq: if I did baremetal I'd do coreos via pxe boot
22:55 < tapoxi> programmerq: well in my case the VMs are ephemeral and not managed by me
22:55 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: yes
22:55 < corn266> Thanks AnimalFarmPig
22:55 < corn266> later all
22:55 < AnimalFarmPig> np
22:55 < tapoxi> so it would be like saying "we dont use baremetal, we use ec2!" which is kind of true
22:56 < programmerq> parts for the 3d printer arrived today. I love the smell of the machine oil when you open the package.
22:56 < Church-> Nice
22:56 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: ie on gke, there is a dynamic storage provisioner, you just declare a 'persistent volume claim', and the provisioner gives it to you
22:56 < ihre> and then gives you the GKE equiv of an EBS
22:56 < ihre> not sure what the name is
22:56 < Church-> tapoxi: Yeah been learning it in regards to a possible job coming up. Tah hell with vm's for the most part.
22:56 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: presumably it's accessible from multiple running processes?
22:57 < tapoxi> AnimalFarmPig: so basically you set up volume providers and then each pod can make a 'volume claim' which k8s will map to one of the providers and give it real storage at a given mountpoint
22:57 < AnimalFarmPig> s/processes/dockers
22:57 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: im not 100% sure on that, but i think not
22:57 < programmerq> dockers is not correct unless you are talking about pants
22:57 < programmerq> 👖
22:57 < AnimalFarmPig> I'll keep calling them processes then
22:58 < L3gacy> Or was it Fanta™?
22:58 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: so, if I've got 10 instances of the same docker process running, each one gets its own persistent storage?
22:58 < programmerq> people tend to get confused and think of Docker containers as VMs and I've been saying for years that docker is a fancy way to run a process.
22:59 < AnimalFarmPig> yes, that's why I call them processes and not anything that would imply you get a real OS
22:59 < programmerq> yeah, it's usually a fight to get people to think of them that way, so 👍
23:01 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: that depends on what is available, not every storage provider has the same options, there is 'ReadWriteMany', which does what youre describing, but also 'ReadWriteOnce – the volume can be mounted as read-write by a single node' and 'ReadOnlyMany – the volume can be mounted read-only by many nodes'
23:01 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, nice, that's useful
23:01 < dragonfleas> anybody here like roguelike games?
23:02 < JollyRgrs> like rogue one-like?
23:02 < dragonfleas> no
23:02 < JollyRgrs> or like nerdy DnDrogue like?
23:02 < ihre> thief?
23:02 < JollyRgrs> NERD!
23:02 < dragonfleas> lol
23:02 < dragonfleas> like the game ROGUE
23:02 < dragonfleas> binding of isaac is a good example
23:04 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: download minikube or minishift, the latter is the openshift variant of minikube, which provides a local 'dev' env by booting a vm with k8s on top
23:04 < JollyRgrs> lol, love these lyrics...
23:04 < JollyRgrs> "i use milfhunter.com to ease the pain, it was 92 degrees with rain"
23:05 < ihre> pretty ez, minikube start --cpus=2 --memory=8192 and a few minutes later you have k8s running :P
23:06 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: I'll start using it if/when we get it set up at work. I know there are a couple of guys working at it with the idea of making it part of our standard architecture. For my own use, I'm actually thinking of going the other direction-- running more things on bare metal.
23:06 < ihre> and openshift is the red hat version of k8s, which has some additional services on top of 'vanilla' k8s
23:06 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, we're on openstack now
23:06 < L3gacy> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike
23:07 < ihre> AnimalFarmPig: in a way, i miss baremetal, but mostly because i had an awesome setup to manage it, although towards the end i was just booting additional openshift nodes :P
23:08 < AnimalFarmPig> I've been experimenting with a "hyperconverged" (descriptive name still work in progress) application architecture. The idea is to run application code, database, k-v store, message bus, etc. all on the same vm or bare metal machine.
23:08 < JollyRgrs> the problem with not using baremetal is that there aren't an abundance ofused (but still great) servers to grab for homelab  as they sit in the discard pile
23:08 < AnimalFarmPig> so, application code does all its communication with localhost, preferably over unix sockets
23:09 < AnimalFarmPig> the trick is to use database, message bus, and k-v store that scale horizontally-- MariaDB/Percona XtraDB with galera replication, CockroachDB; riak, couchbase; rabbitmq; etc.
23:09 < JollyRgrs> https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8a/71/6f/8a716fc3dafc5f0212f8c23b9b3f0af9--chicken-wings-chicken-strips.jpg
23:09 < AnimalFarmPig> to scale the application, you just add more complete nodes
23:10 < AnimalFarmPig> but any individual node can run the whole application
23:22 < vinrock> mani just bought some stuff from baltic networks, came in $380 cheaper than amazon
23:22 < vinrock> good jerb baltic networks
23:22 < CheckYourSix> What did you buy
23:22 < vinrock> pair of airfiber 5xhd's, dishes, switches, cable, shit like that
23:49 < alazare619> so i'm slightly comforted by the fact that my age on this cake day is now naughty if written as a roman numeral
23:49 < alazare619> XXX
23:49 < khelpw> That's good. Do you have money set aside for the hip replacement yet?
23:49 < alazare619> no...
23:50 < alazare619> i wish my 401k looked better then it does too
23:50 < alazare619> and i dont own a house
23:50 < alazare619> living the millenial dream
23:50 < xamithan> You have a 401k at 30?  Jeez
23:50 < xamithan> Living the high life
23:51 < alazare619> xamithan: after 5 years of contributions our provider was switched to charles schwab and i got the ability to check it online
23:51 < alazare619> i found out...ive been contributing to it as a traditional and not a roth
23:51 < alazare619> #superpissed
23:53 < alazare619> L3gacy:  world of warcraft is the best roguelike of all time
23:53 < CheckYourSix> alazare619: Typically Roth contributions aren't good, except in certain circumstances or if you make hardly any money.
23:53 < xamithan> Yeah I do roth
23:54 < alazare619> CheckYourSix:  well i'm a sysadmin soo...the last statement applys
23:54 < alazare619> and thats completely wrong btw CheckYourSix
23:54 < alazare619> in EVERY case a roth is better if started early
23:54 < CheckYourSix> alazare619: Based on what?
23:54 < alazare619> taxes
23:54 < estranger> i rolled my 401k into btc
23:55 < alazare619> in in just the last 18 years our taxes have increased enough that a traditional was not worth it
23:55 < alazare619> go to a roth vs traditional calculator
23:55 < alazare619> charles schwab has one for instance and it proves the same thing
23:55 < alazare619> if you start in your 20's roth is ALWAYS better
23:55 < alazare619> unless you absolutely need the tax break (which is only a little mind you)
23:55 < grumplestiltzkin> roth is the default choice in most cases, but that assumes that our tax system and bracket rates will be similar to what they are now.  Like if we were to go to a sales or 'consumption' tax, a traditional should put you in a better position.    That being said, if you can start contributing to a roth now, you should still be fine - only a portion of your retirement will be in the traditional. Youd just need to manage them as separate
23:55 < grumplestiltzkin> accounts,  or might be able to convert to a roth as a taxable event (where the difference is corrected)
23:56 < alazare619> like the diffrence you get in traditional the odds it dropping you a tax bracket is like less then 1 percent of people
23:56 < estranger> I do both
23:56 < estranger> and load up my HSA
23:56 < alazare619> i'm going to likely roll my traditional and do a seperate roth as i'm still young enough
23:57 < estranger> HSA lets you double up on tax breaks.. and you know you'll be using medical expenses when ye ran old fart
23:57 < alazare619> HSA is a better option then a traditional if you need a tax break honestly
23:57 < estranger> HSA is tax free in AND out, but has to be medical
23:57 < alazare619> yep estranger
23:58 < estranger> if yer young just keep investing.. compound interest is awesome.  esp after ~20 years of growing
23:58 < estranger> if yer older.... invest even harder :P
23:58 < alazare619> whats even cooler is a person who can invest in a roth even 10k by the age 22
23:58 < alazare619> if they never invest again
23:58 < alazare619> by the time they are 65 that is near 500k
23:59 < CheckYourSix> alazare619: 1) You have no clue what future taxes will be. 2) What is your target retirement age? I'm retiring early, so in every case, traditional is better. 3) You're ignoring future Roth conversions at 0-15% brackets.
23:59 < estranger> diversify dawgs
23:59 < alazare619> CheckYourSix:  you have no idea what future taxes will be yes...but heres the thing taxes have ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS gone up over time
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