--- Log opened Fri May 18 00:00:06 2018 --- Day changed Fri May 18 2018 00:00 < alazare619> just like the us500 theres times when its low 00:00 < alazare619> but its overall ALWAYS up 00:00 < programmerq> stress level is sky high. :( 00:00 < programmerq> anyone know any good (terrible) jokes? 00:02 < alazare619> 2) your less then the 1% and if you plan to retire at 65 or even 60 roth is the better option since its post tax but yes if you only have a 25 (say age 50 started vesting at 25) year vesting period traditional is better your last statement made 0 sense in the context of our discussion 00:02 < CheckYourSix> I max traditional 401k, Roth IRA, HSA, and excess in taxable. Tax loss harvesting for now, tax gain harvesting when I punch out. I'll do Roth conversions on 401k money for 0-15% later on down the line when I'm retired. Still come out on top. 00:02 < alazare619> if you rplaying the long game roth is better in almost all cases tho 00:03 < alazare619> short game traditional is better hto for sure no doubt 00:03 < CheckYourSix> You can always convert money to Roth down the line for minimal taxes. 00:03 < CheckYourSix> Those calculators don't look at every possible option 00:03 < alazare619> this is true but theres a penalty 00:03 < CheckYourSix> No there's not 00:04 < alazare619> last time i spoke to my accountant this was discussed when i was looking at pulling from my 401k for a down payment on a house 00:04 < CheckYourSix> I didn't say withdrawal. I said conversion 00:04 < CheckYourSix> No money leaves the account 00:04 < alazare619> i know i spoke of doing a conversion to an ira 00:04 < alazare619> i have a seperate 401k i havent done anything with 00:04 < alazare619> shit its 5 oclock 00:04 < alazare619> duces 00:04 < alazare619> deuces* 00:09 < ProdigalTim> anyone here familiar with GPDR? 00:09 < admiralspark> sup kids 00:10 < admiralspark> ProdigalTim: every security admin who has to implement it in ten days, yes 00:10 < ProdigalTim> have a client we threw on mimecast 00:10 < admiralspark> Most everyone I've heard is waiting to see who gets hit first and how much they get fined, because cost to implement it is huge for you EU guys 00:10 < ProdigalTim> they are being a bit of a brat about their email data 00:11 < ProdigalTim> Mimecast is advertising GPDR 00:11 < admiralspark> Are they the client? 00:11 < admiralspark> So they pay you? 00:11 < ProdigalTim> client wants 0 email retention 00:11 < admiralspark> mmhmm. And they pay you, right? 00:11 < ProdigalTim> I dont see how thats relevant, but yes 00:11 < ProdigalTim> well, they pay the company I work for 00:11 < admiralspark> So write them a letter notifying them you have made them aware that they're refusing to comply with the GDPR, and you wash your hands of their problems related to it 00:12 < ProdigalTim> ... are we having the same conversation? 00:12 < ProdigalTim> the client is requesting 0 email retention 00:12 < admiralspark> yeah. They're refusing to implement the required email retention. You want to force their hand. It's not your job to force their hand, it's your job to do what they tell you 00:12 < ProdigalTim> Mimecast states they are GPDR complient, but the bare minimum retention they offer is 14 day metadata (message body not retained) 00:13 < admiralspark> but that's....not what they're asking, right? 00:13 < ProdigalTim> that is not at all the situation Im in the process of detailing 00:14 < admiralspark> ...you'd be the first admin this week to ask GDPR questions who's not trying to twist a client's arm, so I assumed you were like the others. Sorry 00:14 < ProdigalTim> NP 00:14 < ProdigalTim> I cant reduce this though: 00:14 < ProdigalTim> mimecast claims they are GPDR compliant. Client says if they are retaining 14 days of metadata - they are not GPDR compliant - is the client correct? 00:16 < admiralspark> metadata without obvious identifiers falls under "personal data" as part of the GDPR. So, I'd ask mimecast for specifics I guess....but I'd say they are retaining personal data at that point. 00:16 < admiralspark> ProdigalTim: https://eugdprcompliant.com/personal-data/ 00:16 < ProdigalTim> hunh, yeah, I see the angle 00:16 < admiralspark> I get the intent but that seems like a burden for the client that the GDPR is forcing...hmmmm 00:17 < Fongy888> \o 00:17 < admiralspark> To be honest, ProdigalTim they haven't clearly defined the delineation between truly obscured metadata and personal identifiers. Every vendor I spoke with said "we just consider it all in scope rn", which I doubt the courts will uphold 00:17 < ProdigalTim> client honestly doesnt care about any of that 00:18 < admiralspark> Well, I just don't want them to be fined :P 00:18 < ProdigalTim> thats not even close to a problem :) 00:18 < admiralspark> ahhh 00:18 < ProdigalTim> they are US based for one 00:18 < admiralspark> Wait 00:18 < ProdigalTim> and they sell fish 00:18 < admiralspark> why do they care then? 00:18 < ProdigalTim> *we* care, not them 00:18 < ProdigalTim> because WE are twisting mimecasts' hand 00:18 < admiralspark> OH 00:18 < admiralspark> OHHHHHHHHHHHHH 00:18 < admiralspark> hahahaha holy crap, sorry, NOW I see the issue 00:19 < ProdigalTim> :) 00:19 < Fongy888> \o 00:19 < ProdigalTim> NBD, I got the info I needed though ;p 00:19 < admiralspark> word. Good luck mate! 00:19 < ProdigalTim> I think there's a clear argument that if mimecast refuses to ditch metadata - they are not truly GPDR compliant 00:19 < admiralspark> just fyi, if the data sits in the us, even if business is done in the EU, the US isn't going to extradite for it ;) 00:20 < ProdigalTim> hehe, yeah not worried about it with these guys 00:20 < admiralspark> Well, they could obfuscate it, which is one of the many loopholes...but that's beyond my scope 00:20 < ProdigalTim> we just want ammo 00:20 < admiralspark> word 00:20 < admiralspark> gl man 00:20 < ProdigalTim> because of the ungodly bad service we recieved from mimecast 00:20 < admiralspark> make em quote where they're compliant! On the phone! So you can hear them scramble ;) 00:53 < brucevein> any of you guys have vms that use iscsi for storage? 00:53 < xamithan> Sure 00:56 < jaelae> Welcome to the Cogent Communications status page. Customers transiting the Western US may be seeing latency or packet loss due to fiber cuts between Houston and Waller, Texas as well as San Francisco and Santa Clara, California. Fiber vendors are investigating the damage at this time. Our ticket numbers for these issues are HD10216866 and HD10216712. There is no ETR at this time. 00:56 < jaelae> :| 00:56 < jaelae> Just had a storage array upgraded and thought they broke something but this also happened 00:59 < CheckYourSix> Why do Cogent and Level 3 suck so much? 01:00 < JollyRgrs> b/c level 3 services where others don't 01:00 < JollyRgrs> (the sloppy cruddy leftovers) 01:00 < xamithan> Because they are cheap 01:00 < JollyRgrs> how is vanna white still so sexy? 01:00 < JollyRgrs> she should be a gilf by now 01:00 < JollyRgrs> (is she?) 01:01 < JollyRgrs> P_R_H_SE ...dude says "DRIVING A PORSCHE" 01:01 < JollyRgrs> ... 01:01 < JollyRgrs> b/c he kun spel 01:09 < rootsudo> of course 01:09 < rootsudo> I take up a sharepoint job; and google recruiter emails me 01:09 < rootsudo> fuck you life 01:10 < Casteil> noice 01:10 < Casteil> took my pool cover off, much to my surprise the water is crystal clear 01:10 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/vtTcq8E.png 01:11 < rootsudo> "nd I'm reaching out on behalf of Google Engineering for the Cloud platform. I understand you were most recently with Microsoft, but was wondering if you were open to engaging with Google!" 01:15 < jaelae> so they cut a fiber connection 01:15 < jaelae> between cities 01:15 < jaelae> how ? 01:19 < brucevein> Casteil, mines pretty clear too! https://i.imgur.com/oTvXMbb.jpg 01:20 < CheckYourSix> Casteil: Surprising 01:20 < brucevein> i call it my bitcoin pool ;) 01:27 < mkillebrew> Because at any moment, the person that made it could abscond with it and claim they "got hacked"? 01:36 < derpingit> i need some reddit wit to come up with a good msp domain name 01:38 < voidstar> haveyouturneditoffandonaga.in 01:39 < rhqq> worksfor.me 01:40 < jaelae> Wedontlookaryourpicsmsp.com 01:41 < ardualabs> good.msp.domain.name 01:41 < vavkamil> hi 01:41 < vavkamil> I have problem with SSL cert 01:41 < rhqq> give it a carrot 01:42 < voidstar> looksfineonmyend.tech 01:42 < ardualabs> lol 01:43 < vavkamil> A secure connection cannot be established because this site uses an unsupported protocol. 01:43 < vavkamil> Error code: ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH 01:44 < xamithan> Is it your site ? 01:44 < CheckYourSix> Finally managed to sign up for O365. I have email@.onmicrosoft.com. It's only the account I signed up with for now. I'm trying to change it to be email@.com, but it just sits there saying "Saving changes..." when I change it. It never goes anywhere. Even after a few minutes. 01:45 < vavkamil> yes 01:45 < xamithan> Most common reason for that error is the cert doesn't match the domain 01:45 < xamithan> Use an SSLchecker 01:45 < rhqq> and give it a carrot! 01:45 < ardualabs> Common error 2: you mixed up your CSR with the cert. 01:46 < vavkamil> I switched from apache to nginx and to cloudflare 01:47 < vavkamil> there was cert from letsencrypt, but now I don't want to use it 01:47 < vavkamil> not sure if HSTS were enabled 01:47 < xamithan> Well did you order a new one from cloudflare and install it? 01:48 < ardualabs> Honestly, based on my experience, you might get better options/troubleshooting from cloudflare 01:50 < ardualabs> Not to push you away or anything, but their support can "see" the traffic as it passes through and might have more detailed t-shoot info 01:50 < vavkamil> I wan't to use flexible option, so cert from cloudflare, but server on port 80 01:51 < ardualabs> Hmm. so [your_server]<---HTTP/80---[CloudFlare]<---HTTPS/443---[Client]? 01:52 < vavkamil> yes. So if cloudflare is connecting to my port 80, cert mismatch should be on their side right? 01:53 < ardualabs> Unless you got them the wrong cert or the domain is messed 01:53 < xamithan> or they have not verified your cert yet 01:53 < ardualabs> You need to make sure you have the right kind of cert for cloudflare, so I really think you might want to hit them up. 01:53 < ardualabs> They're decent, in my experience. 01:53 < ardualabs> xamithan++ 01:54 < xamithan> Not even sure how it works with them but apparently you need to submit it and get it approved in 24 hours 01:55 < ardualabs> Yeah, and there's a propagation time IIRC (not unlike DNS) in their network. 01:57 < vavkamil> I don't have any cert 02:08 < catbeard> if it's a CF generated cert, just toggle it off and back on and it should re-Authorize/Generate an edge cert 02:08 < catbeard> otherwise turn on development mode, and letsencrypt it 02:09 < catbeard> initial ssl provisioning (if you're not using their nameservers) takes 24 hours 02:17 < vavkamil> wow cloudflare support replied in like 5 minutes 02:18 < vavkamil> I have run a test and we can see that there the Universal SSL certificate hasn't yet been deployed, but I can assure you that your zones SSL certificate will be deployed within 24 hours of you signing up to Cloudflare. Thanks for your patience. 02:19 < nohusuro> must be an ai ;) 02:19 < misspwn> i ordered extra work shirts and i can't post it cause i'd doxx myself with the company logo :( 02:19 < misspwn> but i have pink work polos now 02:21 < xamithan> They force you to wear company gear? 02:22 < silentfury> remember to claim those on your taxes. 02:23 < misspwn> xamithan, they don't force us. we get two free work shirts and if we want to buy more we can. we can wear jeans on fridays if we wear our work polo 02:23 < misspwn> i wanted to buy more so that was my choice to get a cardigan and a couple polos 02:23 < misspwn> less i gotta worry about getting ready in the morning 02:26 < vavkamil> I once worked in a company where I was required to wear smoking 02:27 < precise> wot 02:27 < vavkamil> it was nice to climb on ground with UTP cables in fucking suit 02:27 < precise> >wear smoking 02:27 < precise> ? 02:28 < catbeard> wear cigarettes? 02:28 < vavkamil> suit 02:28 < rhqq> =] 02:28 < precise> IS that a typo or slang? 02:28 < precise> Just curious 02:28 < rhqq> not that many gentelmans left in the world... 02:28 < precise> Guess not 02:28 < rhqq> precise: actual formal name of a very specific type of formal jacket 02:28 < precise> Huh... 02:28 * precise searches 02:29 < vavkamil> try "black smoking" in google images 02:29 < precise> ... 02:29 < catbeard> smoking jacket? 02:29 * precise changes Google SafeSearch settings 02:29 < catbeard> LMAO 02:29 < rhqq> ? 02:29 < precise> >black smoking 02:29 < precise> IDK man 02:29 < precise> Some wierd shit out there 02:30 < rhqq> it's basically a bit longer than normal formal jacket 02:30 < catbeard> site:blacked.com black smoking 02:30 < catbeard> :D 02:30 < precise> nerpnerpnerp 02:30 < precise> jk, am at home 02:30 * precise turns off safesearch 02:30 < rhqq> oh, it is known more under "tuxedo" 02:30 < precise> I gotchya 02:30 < rhqq> "In French, Italian, Portuguese, German, Polish, Russian, Turkish, and other European languages the jacket is called a smoking" 02:31 < Casteil> brucevein: fancy :) 02:31 < precise> So like a hockey jersey? 02:31 < vavkamil> I'm from europe so it might be slang 02:32 < rhqq> vavkamil: nah, it's just how europeans call it 02:32 < precise> I've never heard it called that stateside 02:32 < precise> Then again, I don't wear a suit often 02:32 < rhqq> americans just call it 'tux' 02:32 < precise> tuxpaint 02:32 < precise> ftfy 02:33 < vavkamil> it's smoking because you are smoking hot in it 02:33 < rhqq> >> Tuxedo in the context of menswear originated in the US around 1888.[5] It was named after Tuxedo Park, a Hudson Valley enclave for New York’s social elite where it was often seen in its early years. 02:33 < rhqq> so here we go, new word for it from america 02:33 < rhqq> well, TIL 02:35 < misspwn> hah when i did cabling i wore jeans, aint no body gona have me in a crawl space wearing a 80s hillary clinton power suit 02:36 < rhqq> lulz 02:36 < precise> lol 02:36 < rhqq> every single time im at interviews one of my questions to ppl is about dress code 02:36 < precise> LETS GO LIGHTNING 02:37 < rhqq> wut? 02:37 < precise> Or atleast kill the caps 02:37 < precise> rhqq: Hockey 02:37 * precise hates the Caps 02:39 < precise> GOAL 02:39 < vavkamil> usa beat us today in hockey 02:39 < xamithan> us, as in sysadmins ? 02:39 < vavkamil> us as czehia 02:40 < vavkamil> * czech republic 02:40 < rhqq> vavkamil: you're czech 02:40 < precise> Sorry, I'm only an NHL pleb, I don't watch international hockey too much, unless Canada counts 02:40 < rhqq> https://i.imgur.com/u7TrPlA.jpg 02:41 < precise> lol 02:41 < vavkamil> :) 02:41 < MillerBOSS> Factorio time 02:41 < rhqq> yeah, czech language sounds this way to us (poles) 02:41 < precise> It's been a minute since I've seen that 02:41 < xamithan> You play project gorgon ? 02:43 < precise> Guess not 02:43 <+NinjaStyle> Second try of Whataburger hit the spot 02:44 <+NinjaStyle> I was hungo and am now thoroughly satisfied 02:44 < precise> Nice 02:44 * precise is craving something sweet 02:44 <+NinjaStyle> I think saying no to the ketchup was a huge mistake 02:45 <+NinjaStyle> That spicy ketchup is good shit 02:45 < xamithan> I was trying to figure out how to fix the lag but its cool 02:45 < misspwn> i had to take the bossmans F150 on-site today to a couple locations since our other company cars were in use. being only 5'2" that was challenging. 02:45 < precise> NinjaStyle: ++spicy ketchup 02:46 < precise> misspwn: heh 02:46 <+NinjaStyle> Can I take spicy ketchup on a plane? 02:46 < precise> <3oz 02:46 < misspwn> not easy to back up with that in a small parkinglot almost clipped a tesla D: 02:46 <+NinjaStyle> They sell it inside I assume 02:46 <+NinjaStyle> Nuu 02:47 < precise> I'm convinced the GDP of some airports is greater than some small towns 02:47 < rhqq> of course 02:47 <+NinjaStyle> Ohh maybe I can get it in the airport 02:47 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: no fluids/semi-flluids in the carry-on 02:48 <+NinjaStyle> What if I pee in my carry on 02:48 < precise> Dehydrated spicyketchup? 02:48 <+NinjaStyle> Tomorrow is last day best day 02:49 < precise> yay 02:49 <+NinjaStyle> I get to go home woo 02:49 < precise> How long you been out? 02:49 < precise> 7 days? 02:49 <+NinjaStyle> Just since Sunday 02:50 <+NinjaStyle> So this is weird, new company encourages putting your social media links in email signature 02:51 < catbeard> :| 02:51 < catbeard> i don't add customers unless they're pretty 02:51 < rhqq> what if you don't have any? 02:51 <+NinjaStyle> I just deleted the line 02:51 < catbeard> if you don't have any customers that's another prob 02:51 < catbeard> if they're not pretty, add the least ugliest ones 02:53 <+NinjaStyle> Nice catbeard 02:53 <+NinjaStyle> 🐈 🐻 πŸ† 02:54 <+NinjaStyle> Your name in emoji 02:55 <+NinjaStyle> I got my new work laptop 02:55 < catbeard> "work" 02:55 <+NinjaStyle> It has 64gb of ram 02:55 < catbeard> tf 02:55 <+NinjaStyle> Ikr 02:55 < catbeard> optane chip too? 02:57 <+NinjaStyle> I7 02:57 <+NinjaStyle> 6820 02:58 <+NinjaStyle> It runs pretty good so far 02:58 <+NinjaStyle> And I priv escalated it because I need local admin 02:59 < misspwn> you don't have local admin? 02:59 <+NinjaStyle> I do now 02:59 <+NinjaStyle> Thanks sccm 02:59 < misspwn> i would have given you local admin 02:59 < CheckYourSix> 64 GB RAM? Good god, $$$$ 02:59 < CheckYourSix> What laptop is it? 02:59 < CheckYourSix> Is it a brick? 03:00 <+NinjaStyle> It's an hp z book 03:00 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah it's a big boy 03:00 < CheckYourSix> Hopefully it's just docked most of the time 03:01 <+NinjaStyle> IT told me the docks are shit, but it has USB c so I will probably buy a USB c dock 03:01 < CheckYourSix> Nice 03:02 <+NinjaStyle> My laptop at my old job had 16 GB RAM 03:02 < CheckYourSix> 64 GB just seems excessive 03:02 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah srsly 03:02 <+NinjaStyle> I guess I'm going to give Kali 16gb 03:03 <+NinjaStyle> Since burp pro is a memory hog 03:03 < catbeard> kali is for n0bs 03:03 < catbeard> try subgraphOS 03:03 <+NinjaStyle> Nah 03:03 <+NinjaStyle> Kali works good enough 03:04 < catbeard> https://subgraph.com/ 03:04 < catbeard> no, it doesn't 03:04 < catbeard> you don't hax0r from a system that's insecure, that's how you get pooned 03:04 <+NinjaStyle> Hack naked 03:04 < catbeard> and i'll certainly take a shell on that sir 03:06 < seraxis> is subgraph a poor mans qubes 03:06 <+NinjaStyle> I will say that Kali running as root is dumb, but I am lazy and like the repos 03:06 < catbeard> seraxis: it's kinda like qubes but much better 03:07 < catbeard> alpha tho 03:07 < gnupluslinux> root is cool 03:07 < gnupluslinux> all the cool kids run root as daily drivers dont you know 03:07 < gnupluslinux> and enterprise admin on windows 03:07 < catbeard> less annoying than taking 3 days to emerge world 03:07 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: +++ 03:07 < CheckYourSix> Domain Admin on Windows and root on Linux 03:07 < seraxis> interesting, I'll check it out 03:07 < gnupluslinux> nah man, enterprise admin 03:07 < gnupluslinux> multi forest masteryyyy 03:08 < catbeard> ./Deathstar.py 03:12 < CheckYourSix> Subgraph OS looks pretty cool 03:15 < aName> How do I reset the root password on an iDrac6 without a monitor? 03:15 < precise> heheheheheh 03:15 < precise> aName: How's your day been? 03:16 < aName> precise: Fine, you? 03:16 < nohusuro> aName: mayb reflash the card? 03:16 * nohusuro is guessing 03:16 < precise> It's been alright, just chuckling about what situation led to that question, aName. 03:16 < aName> nohusuro: Maybe 03:16 < CheckYourSix> aName: I think you can do it from the iDrac LCD on the front of the server. Unless you don't have access... 03:16 < aName> nohusuro: I bought a used r710 off ebay and I don't have a VGA monitor 03:17 < brucevein> this song is underrated 03:17 < Jay-Ros> what song? 03:17 < aName> nohusuro: I know, not very exciting 03:17 < brucevein> otis redding - sitting on the dock of the bay 03:17 < aName> ... 03:17 < Jay-Ros> I don't know if underrated is the word for it 03:17 < aName> how is that underrated 03:17 < aName> It's a highly rated song 03:17 < brucevein> its a pretty chill song 03:17 < Jay-Ros> I think it's adequately rated 03:17 < brucevein> underrated was the wrong word 03:17 < nohusuro> aName: you could try and learn the EXACT key presses you need from boot 03:17 < nohusuro> and try it blind xD 03:18 < aName> nohusuro: ... I've done this before 03:18 < xamithan> You really can't, you change that in bios 03:18 < nohusuro> why would you need a VGA monitor anyway? 03:18 < Jay-Ros> now Radiators: Gimme Head is an underrated song 03:18 < aName> I had a customer with macular degeneration on the phone 03:18 < brucevein> :/s/underrated/kickass/g 03:18 < aName> nohusuro: It's a VGA port on the front 03:18 < aName> nohusuro: Not HDMI 03:18 < Jay-Ros> I feel it needs more nostalgic radio time than it has been given 03:18 < Jay-Ros> plus the video clip is brilliant 03:18 < Jay-Ros> .yt radiohead gimme head 03:18 < xamithan> Pickup a cheap dvi > vga adapter 03:18 < Jay-Ros> .yt... 03:19 < asimon> Alright wish me luck friends 03:19 < aName> nohusuro: It may have twelve cores and 32GB of RAM but it is still a ten year old PC 03:19 < Jay-Ros> gl hf 03:19 < brucevein> im currently listening to "modern rock radio" on google play 03:19 < aName> xamithan: ... VGA does not work that way 03:19 < asimon> About to go into surgery on my dell r520 03:19 < brucevein> im a big 90s rock fan, so it works 03:19 < xamithan> Sure it does, DVI-I works fine with vga 03:19 < nohusuro> aName: maybe you were lucky and they enabled serial comms with console redirection? :S 03:19 < aName> No 03:19 < nohusuro> does the R710 have a console port? 03:19 < xamithan> What is this adapter I got sitting at my desk used for then? 03:19 < aName> Some DVI ports can detect that an adapter is attached, and provide an analog VGA signal 03:20 < aName> It doesn't work the other way around 03:20 < aName> Unless you buy an ADC 03:20 < xamithan> Well he has a vga port on the server, not a dvi 03:20 < aName> Which aren't cheap 03:20 < gnupluslinux> wasnt TOR originally a mil project and us govt controls a good chunk of the nodes? 03:20 < precise> Yes 03:22 < nohusuro> aName: get a vga monitor? :P 03:22 < nohusuro> you can probably get one for free 03:22 < aName> Yeah but not tonight 03:23 < catbeard> lots of people mistake tor for security which it doesn't provide, it provides anonymity, it's only as secure as the transport used 03:23 < precise> I mean, if you use HTTPS you /should/ be fine 03:24 < catbeard> if you send traffic without encryption, it can be read plaintext by the exit node operator 03:24 < precise> Yerp 03:26 < JollyRgrs> but that encrypted traffic would still contain unencrytped IP information 03:26 < precise> Yes 03:26 < aName> I could use my TV but oh my god I do not want to deal with that mess 03:27 < aName> So many screws and wires to undo 03:27 < precise> aName: It's adapters all the way down 03:28 < nohusuro> so you're saying you should VPN over tor for anonymity + security ? :P 03:28 < precise> Kinda 03:28 < aName> nohusuro: ... wait i... whut? 03:28 < catbeard> Tor -> VPN 03:28 < precise> No 03:28 < catbeard> yes 03:28 < precise> That ruins anonymimity 03:28 < catbeard> no VPN -> Tor can be tracked 03:28 < JollyRgrs> nohusuro: you mean tor over VPN? 03:29 < precise> If you log into a VPN that you pay for or is connected to you, AFTER routing through Tor, then you lose the purpose of Tor 03:29 < precise> catbeard: I think you have it backwards 03:29 < catbeard> depends on who your adversary is 03:29 < precise> No 03:29 < JollyRgrs> catbeard: truth 03:29 < catbeard> if you don't trust your VPN provider 03:29 < JollyRgrs> if your adversary is a little green man from pluto, it doesn't matter 03:29 < precise> I suppose 03:29 < catbeard> ya 03:30 < fraser> At a clients site at the moment 03:30 < fraser> The sketchiest guy I swear to god here 03:30 < fraser> I think he's on drugs, oxy at least 03:30 < precise> fraser: Take a step to your left, is he still there? 03:30 < catbeard> so? 03:30 < catbeard> is he not supposed to be? 03:30 < fraser> hmm dunno 03:31 < precise> Go say hi 03:31 < precise> Report back 03:31 < fraser> I mean I already have 03:31 < fraser> He's pingin boyz 03:31 < catbeard> :O 03:31 < precise> Ask him if he's got something 03:31 < Jay-Ros> the hell am I reading right now 03:31 < catbeard> does he play for the other team? 03:31 < fraser> I don't wanna get penetrated at work but if I need to I'll take one for the team 03:31 < precise> lol 03:32 < JollyRgrs> fraser: if they are underage boys he is pingin, you need to report to authorities 03:32 < JollyRgrs> it is your civic duty 03:32 < fraser> Nah what am I, a poofta? 03:32 < precise> Now im confused 03:32 < precise> wtf 03:32 < catbeard> "there will be no network groping here" 03:32 < JollyRgrs> a fupa? 03:32 < JollyRgrs> precise: why are you fingering catbeard? 03:32 * precise grabs his network log and hides 03:32 < fraser> poofta means homosexual in australia 03:32 < Jay-Ros> You guys need this more than I do... https://bit.ly/2wM1vvk 03:32 < precise> LEAVE ME ALONE 03:32 < Jay-Ros> (safe for work) 03:32 < Jay-Ros> (and for church) 03:32 < catbeard> ping = packet inter-network groper 03:33 < Jay-Ros> fraser - are you from Orange? 03:33 < precise> Jay-Ros: In the future, could you please abstain from link shortners? 03:33 < Jay-Ros> precise - you got it. 03:33 < precise> :) 03:33 < Jay-Ros> https://www.bookdepository.com/Dancing-with-Jesus-Sam-Stall/9780762444144?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base1&utm_source=AU&utm_content=Dancing-with-Jesus&selectCurrency=AUD&w=AF45AU9S69288LA80RSR&pdg=pla-104890299459:kwd-104890299459:cmp-680104063:adg-35184029659:crv-149654599668:pid-9780762444144:dev-c&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0PTXBRCGARIsAKNYfG2UIU0CwpTk-1rilwoNdwgihrrVdFldQN7v2K662IVM0WxxceX6yFAaAgN7EALw_wcB 03:33 < catbeard> fraser: which Level3 facility are you in 03:33 < Jay-Ros> :| 03:33 < precise> lol 03:33 < precise> I'm ok with this 03:33 < JollyRgrs> wow... ppl whobought this also.... 03:33 < JollyRgrs> crap taxidermy.... penis pokey.... how to live with a huge penis... 03:33 < precise> wot 03:33 < Jay-Ros> i ddn't know there's an 'Almighty Sports with Jesus' book 03:33 < JollyRgrs> a practical guide to racism? 03:34 < Jay-Ros> I need to update my library 03:34 < precise> I'm too sober for this chan right now 03:34 < catbeard> 'How to talk to your Dog about Communism' 03:34 * precise buys 03:34 < Jay-Ros> JollyRgrs 'How to live with a huge penis' 03:34 < fraser> Jay-Ros: I'm from WA 03:34 < Jay-Ros> fraser - makes sense. 03:34 < JollyRgrs> https://www.bookdepository.com/Little-Penis-Craig-Yoe/9781604333084?ref=pd_detail_1_sims_b_p2p_1 03:34 < fraser> how the fuck do you reply in this thing 03:34 < precise> E M B E L L I S H M E N T 03:34 < fraser> you know 03:34 < fraser> irc 03:34 < precise> GOT EM 03:34 < catbeard> fraser: just type? 03:34 < precise> PUT THE DUMB CAP IN THE BOX 03:35 < precise> HE SOLD THAT SHIT 03:35 < Jay-Ros> I just type. IRC is different per platform you're using 03:35 < precise> YAYYY 03:35 < precise> Wait no 03:35 < fraser> I mean I barely know how to type let alone use irc 03:35 < Jay-Ros> I picked that up when you typed 'poofta' instead of 'poofter' 03:35 < catbeard> maybe you should practice the former 03:35 < precise> Wow, what a bad cal 03:35 < fraser> This software I'm installing is convincing me I'm braindead 03:35 < Jay-Ros> ...also the regional nomenclature. 03:36 < catbeard> the latter will come easier after the former is practiced 03:36 < fraser> What IRC client do you guys use on windows, I'm using hexchat 03:36 < catbeard> i don't use irc on windows 03:36 < precise> fraser: Gentoo Linux 03:36 < catbeard> weechat is nice, pain in the dick to configure tho 03:36 < fraser> Look, I love linux, I use arch and gentoo, but the msp I work for hates linux 03:36 < catbeard> fraser: lol so 03:37 < precise> fraser: Convert them. 03:37 < catbeard> virtualbox 03:37 < nohusuro> I ssh to my dedi and use irssi in a screen session 03:37 < Church-> ^ 03:37 < fraser> I wonder if I could use WSL 03:37 < catbeard> nohusuro++ 03:37 < precise> Wipe their DC and install OpenLDAP on RHEL 03:37 < Jay-Ros> catbeard - you don't have windows 10 with hyperv manager? 03:37 < Church-> fraser: Or, or. WSL 03:37 < fraser> run an irc client out of that 03:37 < catbeard> you could try thelounge 03:37 < trash1e> https://i.imgur.com/sAwqdwb.png 03:37 < Church-> Or docker. 03:37 < Jay-Ros> it's a powershell line away 03:37 < Church-> Or lxc. 03:38 < fraser> We use user profile disks and RDS for all of our clients 03:38 < Jay-Ros> fraser - just fire up a Haiku instance 03:39 < Jay-Ros> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS or this one 03:39 < fraser> I don't think I'm allowed to say what terry davis says on this irc 03:39 < fraser> Got banned from the discord for doing that 03:39 < gnupluslinux> templeOS will save us all 03:39 < gnupluslinux> Terry praise be 03:40 < fraser> fuck off cia 03:40 < precise> Linux is the best; Windows is mediocre; All hail the Stallman. 03:40 < fraser> you won't believe who I ran over with my car 03:40 < precise> Haiku ^ 03:40 < gnupluslinux> what's fraser tryna do, backdoor the sql with his visual basic gooey? 03:40 < fraser> Wanna hear a shitshow 03:40 < gnupluslinux> no 03:40 < precise> Windows in prod? 03:40 < fraser> hehe epic win 03:40 < precise> Mods 03:41 < gnupluslinux> mawds 03:41 < fraser> We have also made a cms for our clients, we also have a design team 03:41 < precise> Mods 03:41 < precise> >epic win 03:41 < fraser> Like wordpress but proprietary and shit 03:41 < precise> JollyRgrs: No time travelers alowd. 03:41 < fraser> At it's core, it's visual basic and C 03:41 < fraser> if someone can convice me that they're part of the web stack I'll be suprised 03:42 < precise> I am one with the web stack. The web stack is one with me. 03:42 < precise> I am the web stack. 03:42 < fraser> okay, now this is epic 03:42 < precise> MODS 03:42 < gnupluslinux> ...visual basic 03:42 < gnupluslinux> and ...C? 03:42 < precise> !ops 03:42 < gnupluslinux> as in malloc() C? 03:43 < gnupluslinux> do you enjoy being an abomination? 03:43 < fraser> Hey, isn't my department 03:43 < nohusuro> oh boy, I wonder how many vulnerabilities your custom stack has 03:43 < fraser> me me just a computer boy 03:43 < gnupluslinux> i'd understand VB and C# but... VB and C is something else 03:43 < nohusuro> ever run it through a fuzzer? 03:43 < precise> heh 03:44 < fraser> pentesters dream 03:44 < precise> NinjaStyle: NinjaStyle NinjaStyle 03:44 < gnupluslinux> like you loaded a water balloon into axolotl 03:44 < fraser> well, pentesters nightmare 03:44 <+NinjaStyle> Dowat 03:44 < fraser> I think it's an unholy mashup of C# and C 03:44 < gnupluslinux> the needful 03:44 < precise> NinjaStyle: fraser has a custom web stack he wants u to test 03:44 < fraser> It's totally needful 03:44 <+NinjaStyle> fraser: gimmie 03:44 < fraser> no 03:44 < precise> lol 03:45 < fraser> I refuse 03:45 * precise smacks fraser 03:45 < gnupluslinux> fraser, do you even know how to tell the difference lol 03:45 < nohusuro> I just made a little process launch monitor, and now I'm tempted to mass deploy it and aggregate the data in a log collector for possible threat analytics. https://i.imgur.com/jQmo43b.jpg 03:45 < nohusuro> might be useful 03:45 < precise> inb4 nohusuro takes his network down on RO Friday 03:45 < fraser> I know a little bit of programming, but not as much as I should 03:45 < fraser> I'm pretty shit at it 03:45 < gnupluslinux> VB, C#, and C look decidedly different lol 03:45 < fraser> Oh yes I know that much 03:45 < fraser> But, according to the head software guy, that's what they use 03:46 <+NinjaStyle> I'm kinda glad, I got a lot of work to do anyway 03:46 < fraser> and I was like "that doesn't sound right", so I checked with another guy 03:46 < fraser> and yep 03:46 < precise> NinjaStyle: lol 03:46 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, you still on site? 03:46 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah 03:46 < gnupluslinux> rip 03:46 <+NinjaStyle> I go home tomorrow 03:46 < precise> yay 03:46 <+NinjaStyle> Oh like currently at my hotel 03:46 < gnupluslinux> no joke, did they even make you do anything lol 03:47 < precise> I bet NinjaStyle just yelled voodoo eerily throughout the office and scared them 03:47 < precise> vvoooooooooooodoooooooooooo 03:47 < precise> *NinjaStyle meanders about* 03:47 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah it was kinda full of vulns while simultaneously being super hygienic 03:47 <+NinjaStyle> Like they're operations are pretty on point but they definitely have issues 03:48 <+NinjaStyle> Their* 03:48 < gnupluslinux> so you're saying they need to do more of the needful _and_ less of the needful? 03:48 < precise> Impossible 03:48 * precise tweaks his DNS buffer to allow more sneks 03:49 < gnupluslinux> well first off, through God, all things are possible so jot that down 03:49 <+NinjaStyle> My back hurts though from a shitty chair all week 03:49 * precise jots 03:49 < precise> NinjaStyle: I'm sure the plane will help.... 03:49 < precise> :P 03:49 <+NinjaStyle> Lol 03:49 < precise> Dont you have that massuese back home? 03:49 < gnupluslinux> i had a long haul asia to na 03:49 <+NinjaStyle> Back sweat is no joke in Texas too 03:49 < gnupluslinux> requested an entire row to myself at check in 03:49 < precise> NinjaStyle: ^ Order one of them masssueses up 03:49 < gnupluslinux> got entire row, slept the entire way boyyeee 03:50 <+NinjaStyle> Nice am jello 03:50 * precise spoons NinjaStyle 03:50 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, this is why no one goes outside in texas 03:50 <+NinjaStyle> The car seat was brutal 03:50 < precise> leather? 03:50 <+NinjaStyle> Ye 03:50 < precise> Damn son 03:50 <+NinjaStyle> And it's like mid 90s 03:51 < gnupluslinux> i honestly dont understand why you would get leather in texas 03:51 < precise> How was the North Korean Interrogation Resistance Training NinjaStyle ? 03:51 <+NinjaStyle> Did I get that? 03:51 < gnupluslinux> or any of the southwest states really 03:51 < precise> Yes, with the leather seats, in Texas 03:51 < gnupluslinux> >lumping in texas with the SW 03:51 < precise> lol 03:51 * gnupluslinux readies his shield 03:51 * precise hides behind gnupluslinux 03:51 < CheckYourSix> I had a rental 300C in Phoenix in late summer. 100 degrees+ every day. Luckily it was white with tan leather and vented seats. Start, open all windows, turn on AC and vented seats, wait 2 minutes, get in. Perfect. But yeah, fuck leather in any southern state 03:52 * gnupluslinux farts in precise 's general direction 03:52 < precise> nuuuuu 03:52 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah Phoenix is a fucked up city 03:52 < precise> lol 03:52 <+NinjaStyle> Who would live there 03:52 < precise> Old people 03:52 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, we had a TL that did that auto window rolldown thing if you held the door open button 03:52 < gnupluslinux> absolute godsend on some days 03:53 <+NinjaStyle> Oh neat maybe my rental does that 03:53 < CheckYourSix> Phoenix is nice in the winter. In summer... fuck everything about it. Even late summer (like the end of October) it was still 100+ every day. Dry heat or not, it sucks. I like cold weather states. 03:53 < gnupluslinux> i legit kinda this prius that had this thing where it would auto roll the windows and turn on ac as you walked towards it and held the unlock 03:53 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Nice 03:54 < precise> what if I like to fuse leather to my skin? 03:54 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, most of them do now i think. hyundai veloster does the window and ac thing, control it through some app on your phone 03:54 < gnupluslinux> which just raises all kinds of questions from me 03:54 <+NinjaStyle> I need a sweet new ride so I can disappoint CheckYourSix 03:54 < CheckYourSix> 75 degrees with a breeze and 10% humidity is nice. 03:54 < CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Lol 03:54 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, its averaging that here in socal this week and last 03:54 < gnupluslinux> been great for hiking 03:55 <+NinjaStyle> That's why Colorado is nice 03:55 < gnupluslinux> supposed to burn out by next week though when we hit the 80s and 90s finally :( 03:55 <+NinjaStyle> Its only hot for like 3 months 03:55 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, yeah but some of us dont partake of the devil's lettuce mmkay 03:55 <+NinjaStyle> :( 03:55 < gnupluslinux> :D 03:55 < CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: I seriously think Colorado is where I'll move when I can get a remote job or a job out there 03:56 <+NinjaStyle> Do it 03:56 < CheckYourSix> I've never smoked weed and don't really care to. I just want the weather and the outdoor stuff CO has 03:56 < gnupluslinux> i'd move to colorado for the trails and campgrounds if nothing else 03:57 < xamithan> And the insane house prices in CO now 03:57 < Jay-Ros> gnupluslinix - you can wear timberlands there unironically! 03:57 < gnupluslinux> socal's kinda nice in that everything is within like 1-2 hrs drive. problem is everything is at least 1hr away 03:57 < gnupluslinux> cept the beach, that's around the corner 03:57 < gnupluslinux> Jay-Ros, please i buy my boots made to order 03:57 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Still an hour drive to go around the corner though cause traffic. 03:58 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, its like 30-40 to the beach yeah :P 03:58 < precise> s/to order/from my victims' skin 03:58 <+NinjaStyle> Yeah I've been looking all over the US for a city with as good of weather as Denver qnd cheaper houses 03:58 <+NinjaStyle> And* 03:58 < gnupluslinux> NinjaStyle, maybe unincorporated areas maybe 03:58 < Jay-Ros> gnuluslinux - I ride horses and motorcycles, so I'm all about that paddock ariat lifestyle 03:59 <+NinjaStyle> Honestly it might be Colorado springs 03:59 < gnupluslinux> Jay-Ros, tab complete my dude lol 03:59 < CheckYourSix> I can't find hiking boots that work for me. My toe smash the front no matter what. I've tried about 8 different pairs. They're all great up until I reach like 7-8 miles, then I'm screwed. I've tried different designs, different inserts with grip things on them, different lacing patterns, everything. Nobody at REI or anywhere else can figure it out either. I'm tired of losing toenails though 03:59 < precise> gnupluslinux: lol 03:59 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, cut ur toenails 03:59 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: I do. 03:59 < Jay-Ros> ah fuck 03:59 < precise> CheckYourSix: shorter 04:00 < Jay-Ros> gnupluslinux, I've seriously never tried that 04:00 < precise> Just remove toes 04:00 < CheckYourSix> precise: I can't go any shorter 04:00 < xamithan> Get steel toe boots 04:00 < Jay-Ros> CheckYourSix - quote of the day 04:00 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, when do you buy your boots? as in time of day 04:00 < precise> hehehehehehe 04:00 < gnupluslinux> gotta go at like end of your day when your feet are already super swollen 04:00 < precise> CheckYourSix: U tried Keen? I swear by them 04:00 < precise> Comfy af 04:00 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Evening usually 04:00 < CheckYourSix> precise: Not Keen, but lots of others 04:01 < precise> Try Keen 04:01 < precise> I've got fucky feet 04:01 < precise> Keen is a god send 04:01 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, do you wear your hiking socks? 04:01 < precise> gnupluslinux: ^ 04:01 < gnupluslinux> i run these things https://www.amazon.com/Salomon-4D-Lightweight-Backpacking-Activities/dp/B00N9W05XI 04:02 < precise> I like REI brand socks 04:02 < precise> I also hate my wallet 04:02 < precise> So it all works out 04:02 < gnupluslinux> went end of day after a day hike, brought my hiking socks too. ended up like a half size larger than i normally buy 04:02 < fraser> daddies back 04:03 < fraser> I'll be honest with you guys, I can understand the frustration of a computer taking two months to setup 04:03 < precise> >2 months 04:03 < gnupluslinux> darn tough and smartwool make pretty nice socks though i think my newer SW are significantly thinner than my earlier pairs 04:03 < fraser> like from a client's perspective 04:03 < fraser> I would really like to blow my brains out :) 04:03 < precise> Wot 04:03 < precise> fraser: r u ok 04:03 < fraser> ye fine bubba 04:03 < gnupluslinux> i'll also run random ass weatherproof wool socks that work pretty well, a lot cheaper too 04:04 < fraser> first off I'm australian so nogunz 04:04 < fraser> Like they just have such shit software 04:04 < fraser> And it's a pain to setup 04:04 < precise> My cat is now sitting on my head 04:05 < precise> notn cool cat 04:05 < fraser> And for whatever reason the job got assigned to some other guy who isn't very good 04:05 < precise> She couldnt get in my lap because laptop was in the way 04:05 < precise> So head is next choise 04:05 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, try getting boots end of a day hike, with your hiking socks. get sized while standing up with full pressure on your foot. dont let them size your feet sitting down. maybe its sized too small? 04:07 < fraser> checked connectwise tickets and had a cheeky giggle 04:07 < fraser> "lag time is rediculous" 04:07 <@killdash9> CheckYourSix: if you're losing toenails your boots are too small. 04:07 < fraser> oof my spelling 04:08 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: GET ON DISCORD! 04:08 < precise> Duck discord 04:08 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: I don't feel like playing that 04:08 < JollyRgrs> then jump on and we'll know you are ready for RL or something 04:09 < nohusuro> there should be a whole thumb width of space between the end of your toe and boot 04:09 < precise> Shouldn't be loose tho 04:09 < precise> Movement = friction - blisters 04:09 < nohusuro> yeah, it shouldn't rattle around, but you need that toe space 04:10 <@killdash9> your toes should be able to move around. The boot should be tighter at the ankle to keep you from sliding forward while going downhill which mashes ytour toes into the front 04:11 < nohusuro> also, learn to lace lock if you haven't already 04:11 < nohusuro> that'll give you good ankle support too 04:11 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Yes, wool hiking socks. They definitely help a lot. 04:11 <@killdash9> not for the toe issue but for longer hikes get silk liners or pantyhose 04:11 < m4221> precise: I win 04:12 < precise> m4221: in #donger, not in life 04:12 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: No they aren't. They have PLENTY of room in the front 04:12 < precise> You are still failure 04:12 < CheckYourSix> My feet just slide no matter what I've tried 04:12 * m4221 tases precise 04:12 < CheckYourSix> They don't have the issue initially. Only on longer hikes like 7+ miles 04:12 <@killdash9> then you're likely sliding forward and mashing them into the box. as nohusuro said, there's lacing techniques to mitigate that 04:12 * precise bits m4221 04:13 < CheckYourSix> I've tried so many different lacing styles. 04:13 < precise> Velcro 04:13 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: aren't you in Texas? 04:13 <@killdash9> I've done multi-day hikes of like a dozen miles a day and never had even a blister. I try really hard to make sure my feet are taken care of 04:14 <@killdash9> NinjaStyle: maybe? 04:14 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: I'm also very flat footed, so that doesn't help 04:14 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: anywhere near Dallas? 04:14 < precise> Have I mentioned Keens? 04:14 < precise> ;) 04:14 < CheckYourSix> We hiked the whole Maryland AT over 3 days. Like 42 miles or so. 04:14 <@killdash9> precise: Asolos, please. 04:15 < precise> Keen's are amazing for wierd feet 04:15 < precise> killdash9: Do you have wierd feet 04:15 < precise> cuz I do 04:15 <@killdash9> all feet are weird. Just look at them 04:15 < precise> Rite? 04:15 < precise> Like, where'd da webbing go? 04:15 * precise quacks 04:15 <@killdash9> we did a trip in the Grand Canyon about 10 years ago. My wife's feet came out looking like this post from earlier today: https://www.reddit.com/r/HadToHurt/comments/8jywoi/my_feet_after_walking_35_miles_with_a_13kg_pack/ 04:16 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: Damn! 04:16 < CheckYourSix> Wool socks fix that issue 04:16 < precise> CheckYourSix: ++ 04:16 <+NinjaStyle> That's super gross 04:16 <@killdash9> We did 4 days hiking along the bottom. When we got home I took her to the doc. I'd never before seen a doc recoil in horror. That doc did 04:16 < CheckYourSix> I highly recommend Darn Tough socks. Lifetime warranty and great quality 04:17 <+NinjaStyle> killdash9: well if you are anywhere near Dallas and wanna get beer or something between now and tomorrow afternoon lmk 04:17 <@killdash9> I knew she was suffering so on the hike out of the Canyon I emptied her pack into mine without her knowing. I packed out nearly 70lbs while she had basically just water. 04:17 <@killdash9> NinjaStyle: Austin isn't very close. :-/ 04:17 <+NinjaStyle> Ah u rite 04:17 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: Damn. 04:18 <@killdash9> she didn't realize I'd done it she was in that much pain 04:18 <+NinjaStyle> Plus I actually need to hit Plano before I go 04:18 < CheckYourSix> That's insane 04:18 <+NinjaStyle> And that's the opposite way 04:19 < JollyRgrs> anyone else wanna see my purple lamborghini? 04:19 <@killdash9> if you ever get a chance, hike the Grand Canyon. Not that Phantom Ranch shit. Backcountry. It's amazing 04:19 * precise falls into the GRand Canyon 04:19 < precise> Thanks a lot killdash9 04:19 < precise> Now I'm dead 04:19 < JollyRgrs> no srs, thank you! 04:19 * precise smacks JollyRgrs 04:20 < JollyRgrs> u can't 04:20 < JollyRgrs> u ded 04:20 < precise> I jus did 04:20 < JollyRgrs> you even said it 04:20 < precise> I never truly die 04:20 <@killdash9> precise: easy to do on the Hermit Trail. 04:20 < JollyRgrs> and i quote "now i'm dead" 04:20 < JollyRgrs> precise: so you're like bebe's kids? 04:20 <@killdash9> it's not maintained and narrow as fuck with like 1000ft drops 04:20 < JollyRgrs> precise: do you even know what bebe's kids is? 04:20 < CheckYourSix> I want to hike the Grand Canyon. And go to Havasupai Falls 04:20 < precise> When I die, me ZNC instance will live on in this channel forever, idling, watching, waiting. 04:21 < JollyRgrs> that happened before 04:21 < precise> I know 04:21 < precise> :/ 04:21 < JollyRgrs> we had someone in here die and he lasted a while 04:21 < CheckYourSix> Marbus 04:21 < precise> The logs will eventually fill the disk and it will go offline, I don't have log rotate 04:21 <+NinjaStyle> How'd u find out? 04:21 < CheckYourSix> There was another channel where someone died and they kick banned him as a ceremonial goodbye 04:21 < precise> :( 04:23 < SleePy> Alert1: "everything on battery at office".. .... Alert2: "Utility is ok!" 04:23 < CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: Some people who knew him personally linked the article. He died in a car crash 04:23 <+NinjaStyle> Damn 04:23 <+NinjaStyle> /kick precise he ded :( 04:23 < precise> D: 04:23 <+NinjaStyle> D: 04:24 * precise auto-rejoins 04:24 < precise> IM ALIVVVVVE 04:24 <+NinjaStyle> That woutbe awkward 04:24 < precise> lol 04:25 < precise> I'd probably get one of my closer friends to log in to my account every once in a while to post, just to fuck with people. It'd be in my will or something. 04:25 <+NinjaStyle> I'm so burned out... I have work to do but really don't wanna 04:25 < precise> Just go in there and shitpost every once in a while 04:25 < precise> NinjaStyle: Just think, your almost done! 04:25 < xamithan> you're 04:26 < precise> xamithan: IDGAF cunt 04:26 <+NinjaStyle> You're a Nazi... A grammar nazi 04:26 < precise> It's 10:30PM local time 04:26 < xamithan> Rude. 04:26 < precise> IDGAF 04:27 < Church-> JollyRgrs: Who died in here? 04:27 < xamithan> precise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_EQ6yKeEQg 04:27 < CheckYourSix> Church-: marbus90 04:28 < JollyRgrs> ^^ 04:28 < JollyRgrs> he was huge in the freenas channel for helping out, too 04:28 < JollyRgrs> he actually helped ppl in irc 04:28 < Church-> Imagine that. 04:28 < Church-> Never met the guy. 04:29 < Church-> JollyRgrs: Don't worry I'll die soon enough. Then you guys can eulogize me. 04:29 < precise> D: 04:29 < precise> s/eulo/EULA 04:30 < Church-> Eh close enough. 04:30 < precise> I was joking 04:30 < precise> End User License Agreement 04:30 < precise> EULAgize 04:30 < precise> ;) 04:31 < Church-> Heh 04:32 < fraser> Honestly the more I deal with software the more I realise that the last hope we've got is widespread adoption of open source 04:32 < fraser> well, free software 04:32 < precise> ./popcorn.py 04:32 < fraser> So I've come to the conclusion that we're fucked 04:33 < fraser> We are SO boned 04:33 < precise> Maybe you are 04:34 < precise> Who here said they'd buy me a drink if Tampa beats the Caps with 4 straight? 04:35 < CheckYourSix> Church-: marbus90 was a really good guy. Super nice and always willing to help. I didn't know him all that well, but it was sad to lose him. 04:35 < Church-> Aye 04:35 < precise> SysAdminGoneCraZ: It was u 04:35 < precise> ^ 04:37 < nohusuro> https://www.humblebundle.com/store/galactic-civilizations-ii-ultimate-edition 04:37 < nohusuro> free game anyone? 04:39 < gnupluslinux> killdash9, why silk liners/pantyhose? 04:39 < gnupluslinux> i dont like layering my socks tbh 04:39 < CheckYourSix> I do have a pair of silk liners, but they make my feet slide more inside the boots 04:40 <@killdash9> stops chafing. 04:40 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Helps wick sweat and much lower chance of blisters. I use ones that have the individual toes on them. I don't wear them unless it's gonna be a long hike 04:41 < rpifan> hello 04:41 < precise> Hi 04:41 < rpifan> syo 04:41 < rpifan> sup 04:42 < gnupluslinux> i probably havent done long enough hikes, think my longest was like 25? round trip over fri-sun, feet sore but didnt chafe 04:43 < precise> My day record is 16miles, and I had some serious blisters form at like 14 04:43 < rpifan> well i currently commute to work 04:43 < rpifan> 14 miles a day or so 04:43 < gnupluslinux> and havent had an isue with blisters neither, dont slide around in my boots much 04:44 < CheckYourSix> 14 is about the limit for a day hike for me. We did 18 one day and my feet hurt so much it was miserable. Not blisters, just pain. They literally ached for about 2.5 hours after I took the boots off 04:44 < gnupluslinux> precise, only time i got blisters was loose socks 04:44 < gnupluslinux> was also the last time i had cotton socks, havent looked back 04:44 < rpifan> but its 14 miles of biking a day 04:44 < rpifan> which is nice 04:44 < rpifan> 6.5 one way 04:44 < precise> CheckYourSix: I should have turned around at 7, just had to get that 8th mile in the out and back. 04:44 < precise> ;) 04:44 < gnupluslinux> i call it at like 8-9 04:44 * gnupluslinux is on ez mode 04:44 < CheckYourSix> We do a lot of through hikes 04:44 < precise> I've never done multidays 04:45 < CheckYourSix> I'm not a huge fan of backpacking 04:45 < precise> khelpw: 04:45 * gnupluslinux pussyfoots it at 1mi/hr 04:45 < precise> Heh 04:46 < khelpw> Watnow? 04:46 < precise> khelpw: We are talking hiking 04:46 < CheckYourSix> Honestly, the long haul 12+ mile through hikes we do feel more like work than anything. You have to move so fast it stops becoming fun 04:46 < precise> Thought you'd want to join in 04:46 < khelpw> Dnd then sleep 04:46 < precise> Oh 04:46 < khelpw> Hiking good tho 04:46 < precise> lol 04:47 < khelpw> I personally go outside to relax and enjoy nature and to get away from screens 04:47 < precise> khelpw: Same 04:47 < precise> But I like tracking my miles as well 04:47 < precise> Is a confidence thing 04:48 < CheckYourSix> I plan on trying mountain biking. I think I'll enjoy it more than hiking. No time right now though 04:48 < precise> CheckYourSix: I used to MTB 04:48 < precise> I was mainly a roadbiker and moved to MTB 04:48 < precise> Then I hurt my knee and stopped biking :P 04:49 < gnupluslinux> ah i lied, it was like 2mi/hr but you get the idea 04:49 < CheckYourSix> Bikes don't beat my feet up anywhere near as bad as hiking does 04:49 < gnupluslinux> sure felt slower 04:49 < precise> CheckYourSix: But knees 04:49 < precise> And ass 04:49 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, i hike with the dog now 04:49 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: We manage anywhere from 18-26 minutes per mile usually 04:49 < gnupluslinux> she stops so often to smell and investigate random shit, 12+ is impossible lol 04:49 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Depends how nasty the terrain is 04:49 < gnupluslinux> sounds about right 04:50 < CheckYourSix> precise: Don't sit down lol 04:50 < precise> lmao 04:50 < precise> CheckYourSix: When you hit a drop and your knees decide otherwise... 04:50 < CheckYourSix> So glad tomorrow is Friday 04:51 < gnupluslinux> plus side about dog hiking at least is that it kinda forces you to enjoy it cause you know there's like a 90% you're not making it haha 04:51 < CheckYourSix> precise: I don't plan on doing anything crazy on a bike, but so far my knees seem pretty solid. Hiking with a pack definitely takes a toll 04:51 < rpifan> today i finally meet some of the devops at work 04:51 < rpifan> boy those guys 04:51 * precise looks at SysAdminGoneCraZ 04:51 < rpifan> are big fat 04:51 < rpifan> ugly and very smart 04:51 < precise> SysAdminGoneCraZ: 2 games away from my drink bro 04:51 < rpifan> quite intimidating for me to say anything 04:51 < xe0n> rpifan: will they eat you? 04:51 < precise> s/will/when will 04:51 <@Nostalg14c> o/ 04:51 < rpifan> quite possible 04:51 < precise> \o 04:51 < rpifan> i wonder if some of you guys are like that 04:52 < precise> I'd eat most of you 04:52 < khelpw> tbh, I am a big believer in hike your own hike as long as you don't ruin it for anyone else. 04:52 < gnupluslinux> i am the biggest 04:52 < gnupluslinux> and the fattest 04:52 < gnupluslinux> and the ugliest 04:52 < rpifan> but also the smartest 04:52 < CheckYourSix> khelpw: Hard when you have a group hike with cars at each end for a through hike 04:52 < rpifan> id imagine 04:52 < gnupluslinux> aint no one gon beat that, not even precise's mom 04:52 < precise> :P 04:52 < precise> :O 04:52 < khelpw> Yeah, I do a lot of out and back or loops 04:52 < khelpw> and small groups 04:53 < gnupluslinux> i want to through hike the PCT one of these days 04:53 < precise> Describing the location of a trailhead to an Uber is.... difficult sometimes 04:53 < gnupluslinux> no idea the logistics of that shit though 04:53 < gnupluslinux> precise, oh man 04:53 < CheckYourSix> khelpw: We usually have smaller groups for the long/hard hikes, but not many are loops. The easier intermiedate ones are loops or out and back 04:53 < precise> "I'm by the tree" 04:53 < khelpw> Yeah, I have no hopes of doing any major thru hikes, AT, PCT, or any of that nonsense. 04:53 < gnupluslinux> "uhh yeah so head here and then follow this windy ass road for like, 4 miles through the mountains in the the nat'l forest 04:53 < precise> lol 04:54 < gnupluslinux> im not gonna kill ya, i swear. maybe just bite off your arm cause i ran outa clif bars bout 8 miles back. man's hungry fam" 04:54 < Casteil> phew.. that was a heck of a lot of adulting for one day 04:54 < CheckYourSix> I would like to through hike them, but I'll never be able to take off work long enough to do it. Plus, I don't enjoy backpacking all that much. I like day hikes. 04:55 < precise> I've been day hiking with a pack as of late 04:55 < precise> is aight 04:55 < CheckYourSix> Osprey packs +++++++++++ 04:55 < precise> Yup 04:55 * rpifan is gonna get botox with his paycheck 04:55 < khelpw> I've got 2 osprey packs. a manta AG as my day pack and an atmos AG as my big bag 04:55 < gnupluslinux> nothing wrong with that. used to be i had a group to day hike with. they were training for pct so you'd see us all packed out next to old ladies in track suits haha 04:55 < CheckYourSix> I have the Manta AG 36 04:56 < khelpw> Also, as nerdy as they look - trekking poles 04:56 < CheckYourSix> I have Leki poles 04:56 < khelpw> get the cheap costco clip lock cf one 04:56 < khelpw> ~$30 and _solid_ 04:56 < CheckYourSix> Lifetime Warranties ++++ 04:56 < khelpw> Ye. Also REI ftw 04:56 < precise> REI is best 04:56 < khelpw> any shit goes wrong in the first year, just swap it at the store. 04:56 < CheckYourSix> REI > all 04:57 < precise> Cabella's can suck a donger 04:57 < Casteil> REI is overpriced as hell 04:57 < CheckYourSix> Casteil: No it's not 04:57 < khelpw> Worth it though imo for some things 04:57 < precise> khelpw: ++ 04:57 < precise> The warranty is amazing 04:57 < khelpw> it's overpriced when compared to discount sites like steepandcheap etc 04:57 < precise> Staff generally is intelligent 04:57 < khelpw> but if you compare those to rei garage or whatever, it's about the same 04:57 < Church-> Forgot to print my ticket for a business convention at 7am. No printer, fml. 04:57 < CheckYourSix> I bought snow shoes there and used them once. Dunno if I'm ever gonna go again. Not a huge fan. Tempted to return the snow shoes, but meh... 04:57 < Church-> Knew I forgot something. 04:58 < CheckYourSix> Church-: Fuck printing stuff 04:58 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: yes it is >.> 04:58 < precise> Casteil: You go and take your little unsubstantiated opinion over there ----> mmkay? 04:58 < CheckYourSix> Casteil: Their prices are the same as everywhere else unless you're buying Walmart quality shit 04:59 < gnupluslinux> REI is overpriced, it's MSRP 04:59 < Casteil> their prices are seldom much lower than MSRP 04:59 < gnupluslinux> which you could argue is overprices 04:59 < precise> REI or DIE 04:59 <@killdash9> khelpw: the old REI return rules were amazing but total assholes abosed them so they repealed them 04:59 < khelpw> Yeah, but even the year warranty is very generous. 04:59 < CheckYourSix> Are you factoring in REI credit card 5% back plus 10% back as a member? 04:59 < khelpw> In any event. I've gotta go to bed 05:00 < gnupluslinux> lets buy this 40yo rei backpack and return ittt 05:00 < khelpw> I'll resurrect this chat tomorrow. 05:00 <@killdash9> lifetime guarranty on _anything_. People would carry a pack around the world for 10 years an come back because it broke a strap and get a new one 05:00 < Casteil> in all fairness I've gotten all my Marmot/North Face/Spyder/Oakley gear for like 40% of MSRP :P 05:00 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: That's just ridiculous 05:00 < rpifan> warranty 05:00 < Casteil> 40% OF, not off 05:00 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, im always a little disappointed in myself whenever i get that little rebate card. its always higher than i hope lol 05:00 < precise> gnupluslinux: same 05:00 < precise> lol 05:00 <@killdash9> my son sorked at REI when they changed to policy. Those kinds of people were fucking irate. Fuck them 05:01 < CheckYourSix> My dividend rewards this year are like $130... 05:01 < CheckYourSix> killdash9: +++ Fuck them 05:01 < Casteil> Spyder ski jacket+pants for $250 when MSRP was $700+?yes plz 05:01 < CheckYourSix> I got a massive discount on Oakley gear 05:01 <@killdash9> it's funny when we go in and they go into their "are you a member?" speech. Son, I've been a member longer than you've been alive. :) 05:02 < CheckYourSix> Haha 05:02 < SleePy> wow... Storm rolling through here. Power flickered at my house. Alerts triggered at work for power as well.. 30 minutes away from me :\ 05:02 <@killdash9> member since 90 or '91 05:02 < Casteil> some of the shops we own sell Oakley gear and I get 10% over cost as an employee ._. 05:03 <@killdash9> the discount REI employees get is insane and I miss that discount my son got. :) 05:03 < gnupluslinux> there's some old dudes working my local REI 05:03 < JollyRgrs> REI? 05:03 < Casteil> (the markup on some of that shit is absolutely outrageous) 05:03 < rpifan> should it be markdown instead 05:03 < rpifan> lol 05:03 < Casteil> a lot of oakley crap retails for like 3 times+ what cost is 05:03 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: you ain't know what REI is? Ah, yeah, you live in a barren state with nowhere to hike. Your tallest mountain is Space Mountain 05:04 < Casteil> i.e. if they're $300 they probably cost the shop $100 05:04 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs, real effective intrusions 05:04 < gnupluslinux> into your wallet 05:05 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: like TX is much taller? 05:05 <@killdash9> Rebates Excuse 'Investments' 05:05 < gnupluslinux> ha "investments" 05:06 <@killdash9> 8700ft is great than 300 last I checked 05:06 * gnupluslinux cries quietly in the corner with his mountain of gear collecting dust 05:06 < JollyRgrs> haha 05:06 < JollyRgrs> but that's a slow gradual hill in the desert? 05:08 * gnupluslinux checks his "dividend" 05:08 <@killdash9> Guadalupe Peak is a legit mountain. I still haven't hiked it which I need to fix 05:08 < gnupluslinux> might just be time for a new backpack boyos 05:08 < gnupluslinux> new sleeping bad and pad shortly 05:09 < gnupluslinux> finally retire this uncomfortably sweaty outdoor products thing i've had for 15 yrs 05:09 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Go Osprey 05:09 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, tbh im not sure how i feel about their molded plastic thingamajig 05:09 < CheckYourSix> The AG system? 05:10 < gnupluslinux> whatever their back support/insert system is 05:10 < CheckYourSix> It's +++. And lifetime warranty on their packs is +++ 05:10 < gnupluslinux> what defines lifetime warranty for em? 05:10 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: you try hiking in sandy woods with skeeters and 95% humidity in the blistering sun :P 05:10 < JollyRgrs> i'll stick to NOT that 05:11 < gnupluslinux> im kinda disappointed camelbak went to 25yr warranty instead of lifetime but i _suppose_ that's long enough 05:11 <@killdash9> like I said 05:11 < gnupluslinux> what in the ever loving fuck are skeeters 05:11 < JollyRgrs> MO skeeters 05:11 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Any Reason, Any Product, Any Era. 05:11 < JollyRgrs> mosquitos for the poorly educated 05:11 <@killdash9> Missouri Skeeters. AAA baseball team 05:11 < gnupluslinux> mo skeeters mo prollems? 05:11 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: "Osprey will repair any damage or defect for any reason free of charge – whether it was purchased in 1974 or yesterday. If we are unable to perform a functional repair on your pack, we will happily replace it. We proudly stand behind this guarantee, so much so that it bears the signature of company founder and head designer, Mike Pfotenhauer." 05:12 < JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: i got 99 problems, and these 1000s of skeeters are def. one of them 05:12 < gnupluslinux> haha 05:12 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, hmm nice 05:13 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: https://www.osprey.com/us/en/customer-support/return-authorization 05:13 < CheckYourSix> I'd specifically choose one of their packs with the AG system. I have the Manta 36 as a day pack so it works in any season. Love that pack 05:13 < JollyRgrs> osprey doesn't even have a laptop bag... what kind of crappy company are they? /s 05:14 <@killdash9> I had the gearbox go out in my vacuum this week. I called up the manufacturer 2 years into the 5 year warranty. The guy on the phone said the warranty doesn't cover 'parts'. I'm like "so your wrranty covers everything except anything that's actually the vacuum?" 05:15 <@killdash9> dude, the gear box is not a 'wear item'. I told him I'd fix it myself if they'd send me the $3 gear. But, no, they'll now have to pay round trip shipping and repair costs. 05:16 < gnupluslinux> they had you send the entire vacuum back? 05:16 < JollyRgrs> what brand? 05:16 < JollyRgrs> (so i don't buy them) 05:16 <@killdash9> Electrolux. 05:16 < gnupluslinux> CheckYourSix, i'll check it. REI certainly carries enough of em 05:16 <@killdash9> so they'd rather pay like $60 in shipping than send me a $3 part. 05:16 < CheckYourSix> gnupluslinux: Highly recommend them. 05:17 < gnupluslinux> random internet person told me something is good 05:18 < gnupluslinux> that's about all my reason i seem to need nowdays 05:18 <@killdash9> there isn't a single vacuum repair shop in Austin so I can't drop it off for them. That's sad to me. Vacuums should last a long time and be servicable. Not be disposable things to toss every couple years. How did we lose the tech to build a sturdy fucking vacuum? 05:18 < gnupluslinux> we never lost the tech 05:18 < gnupluslinux> we lost the business incentive to do so 05:18 < xe0n> i bought a new vacuum about 6 months ago, love it 05:18 < gnupluslinux> any engineer worth his salt could probably build a vacuum to last decades. it'd be simple as fuck though 05:19 < rpifan> dont vacumms blow 05:19 < gnupluslinux> im never living with carpet ever again 05:19 < gnupluslinux> so fuck vacuums anyhow 05:19 < rpifan> car-pet 05:19 < rpifan> i prefer train pets 05:23 < JollyRgrs> killdash9: people used to say that about computers, too 05:23 < JollyRgrs> now they buy an USFF from best buy and every couple of years... buy a new one 05:27 < gnupluslinux> i'm not... opposed to that idea 05:29 < rpifan> whats a usff 05:29 < gnupluslinux> ultra small form factor 05:30 < rpifan> oh 05:30 < rpifan> u got cell phones for that 05:36 < enix> Friday should be half day 05:36 < enix> Also spotify has suspended my premium :( 05:37 < rpifan> ur comapny doesnt like u take off friday 05:37 < rpifan> also i just pirate spotify 05:37 < enix> didnt know that was possible 05:38 < enix> I've just been downloading music lol 05:38 < gnupluslinux> you can use webclient 05:38 < gnupluslinux> webclient + ublock 05:41 < enix> Yeah but you can't use ALL the premium features 06:00 < nohusuro> FUCK! I hate windows file system redirection 06:00 < nohusuro> Been trying to hash binaries in system32, and kept getting an incorrect hash 06:01 < nohusuro> turns out that even though the process says it's calling system32, it's actually calling syswow64 version 06:01 < gnupluslinux> oh hold on there was a thing 06:04 < nohusuro> https://i.imgur.com/ZJUvHV2.jpg 06:04 < nohusuro> look at this bullshit! 06:04 < nohusuro> so damn stupid and confusing 06:05 < gnupluslinux> yeah file system redirector or something iirc 06:05 < gnupluslinux> silently calls other windows binaries 06:08 < gnupluslinux> nohusuro, https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/988912707758903298 06:09 < gnupluslinux> i dont know what he's talking about undocumented, page right there on msdn https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa384187(v=vs.85).aspx 06:10 < catbeard> ya just right there 06:10 < gnupluslinux> ya see ya 06:13 < gnupluslinux> ah you're doing something else. ignore me im dum 06:13 < nohusuro> I've always known about the transparent redirection, but it's still annoying when it happens and you're not expecting it 06:14 < nohusuro> spent like 30 minutes trying to debug why my SHA hash function wasn't creating the same one as every other program 06:14 < gnupluslinux> i cant be wrong, it's the hash function! 06:17 < MadCamel> wtf. filesystems shouldn't do that. 06:17 < nohusuro> I'll just compile my program as 64-bit and it should work without the redirection :/ 06:17 < nohusuro> MadCamel: it's how they handle 32 bit compatibility on a 64bit system 06:17 < MadCamel> I just threw up a little in my mouth 06:18 < nohusuro> yup 06:18 < nohusuro> even worse is the user profile redirection for when they don't have permissions to write to a file 06:18 < nohusuro> that shit is so fucking disgusting I don't know how they came up with it 06:18 < gnupluslinux> deadlines 06:18 < nohusuro> can't write to a folder or file in program files? no problem, we'll put it in their virtualstore under their user profile 06:18 < MadCamel> probably with a manager standing behind them just screaming "just do it!" 06:19 < gnupluslinux> everything is possible with deadlines 06:21 < MadCamel> the older something is the less elegant it becomes. these little kludges add up. even freebsd is showing signs of this problem now 06:22 < gnupluslinux> this is why we should transition to TempleOS 06:22 < nohusuro> now I gotta modify my process creation monitor to check if the process launched in a 32 or 64 bit context so I can get the correct hash 06:35 < Church-> Hmm, I need to get that mobile distributed cluster up and running. Course I also finally need to finish a dozen and a half other projects. 06:35 < Church-> MadCamel: Watcha up to? 06:36 < MadCamel> bathtub IRC again. Finishing up some scripts that watch the linux process table and shut down networking if they see anything running that shouldn't be or with an odd parent 06:38 < MadCamel> I figure most serverish systems are always going to be running a rather fixed set of processes unless there are changes currently being made. If anything outside that set of processes is executed there's likely a problem. 06:38 < Church-> MadCamel: Huh... s'not a bad idea. 06:39 < Church-> Totally going to steal that for next week since I need to do something on work time. 06:39 < Church-> Welp, time to RIIR. 06:39 < MadCamel> haha nice 06:40 < Church-> Hmm just need to make mine auto adjusting towards processes in a set process space. Specific type of docker containers and what not. 06:41 < Church-> MadCamel: Stuck waiting myself, couldn't sleep and I have a 4am train to catch. 06:42 < MadCamel> send me a link if you do it. my version is laughably rudimentary. I know all about not being able to sleep.. have to be up in 4 hours 06:44 < Church-> Hmm, frick. Might need to finish my process monitor prog first and genericize it enough to be a library. 06:45 < Church-> Or not. 06:45 < Church-> Nevermind that. 06:51 < nojeffrey> cool site to practise coding https://edabit.com/ 06:53 < gnupluslinux> on that note https://github.com/danistefanovic/build-your-own-x 07:02 < MadCamel> neat 07:02 * MadCamel builds his own hydrogen bomb 07:04 < enix> gnupluslinux: that's actually really cool 07:05 < MadCamel> welp. done with reddit. every other page it's trying to get me to make an account. Only a matter of time before the APIs are killed for mobile apps and you can only have the Official Reddit Experience. 07:05 < gnupluslinux> been that way for awhile 07:06 < MadCamel> this is why we can't have anything nice. 07:08 < gnupluslinux> MadCamel, you seent this https://np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/863xcj/new_addition_to_sitewide_rules_regarding_the_use/dw2rwy1/?context=3 ? 07:09 < gnupluslinux> ebol4, yeah its limited in langs but covers most things 07:09 < MadCamel> pretty much my thoughts exactly 07:11 * MadCamel goes back to myspace 07:28 < Church-> When my mobile app stops working will be an interesting day. 07:28 < Church-> I get to ignore basically all of that currently. 07:37 < enix> 1000 lines for a text editer 07:37 < enix> woweee 07:42 < MillerBOSS> eeewow 07:42 < MillerBOSS> Is it FRiDAY? 07:42 < MillerBOSS> The date & time is currently: Friday, May 18, 2018 at 12:42:16 AM 07:51 < nohusuro> sucks for you, you have a whole friday ahead of you 07:51 < nohusuro> we're nearly at 2pm :D 07:51 < nohusuro> which sounds like beer and pizza oclock to me 07:52 < MillerBOSS> I am fine with that. :P 08:03 < catbeard> i need to make major life decisions, WHERE IS JA 08:03 < catbeard> JA RULE 08:05 < Church-> Well I'm here. 08:05 < Church-> Shoot mofo. 08:06 < catbeard> cpanel problems 08:06 < Church-> And nevermind. 08:06 < Church-> Fuck perl. 08:06 < catbeard> actually it's a bash problem 08:06 < catbeard> complex reseller migration scripts using api only having non-api issues with new release version 08:07 < Church-> Huh. 08:07 < catbeard> it's fucked 08:08 < Church-> God these ear buds suck. 08:08 < Church-> Totally returning them after my train ride. 08:12 < MillerBOSS> These are slick Church- https://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Headphones-Waterproof-Sweatproof-Cancelling/dp/B01G8JO5F2 08:13 < Church-> Eh I have a pair, just can't find them. 08:13 < Church-> Also hate bluetooth pods. Wired or gtfo till truly low power bluetooth exists. 08:19 < MillerBOSS> WHat is truly low power to you Church- ? 08:19 < MillerBOSS> 9+ hours is not enough? 08:19 < Church-> Eh... 10% over a day. 08:20 < Church-> But that's a pipe dream for now. 08:20 < MillerBOSS> lol 08:21 < MillerBOSS> Well good luck. :P 08:21 < MillerBOSS> Do you really listen to them that long in one day though? 08:22 < Church-> Eyepppp 08:22 < Church-> Got audio on 24/7 08:22 < MillerBOSS> Also a half hour charge gets it right back up there. Same with eh Apple Watch I noticed. I wear it even when sleeping and charge it when sitting at work which takes 1-2 hours I never really kept track and if I got up I put it on because of those rings. :P 08:23 < MillerBOSS> Oh I got it Church- get multiple pairs. :D 08:28 < MillerBOSS> So I am really surprised this worked but I had artifacts on a 2010 iMac 27'' from the GPU looked like this http://forums.everythingicafe.com/data/MetaMirrorCache/img.tapatalk.com_d_14_03_05_hajequsy.jpg and gave it new thermal pads https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/d3WjvmOtDGQxPQlN like those and it fixed the artifacts and GPU taking a shit 08:28 < MillerBOSS> Anyone curious I just used this shit https://www.amazon.com/viscous-thermal-replacement-60g-Aspire/dp/B00K04D3UK 08:29 < MillerBOSS> Actually the kind in a tube https://www.amazon.com/viscous-thermal-paste-replacement-Aspire/dp/B01GQ7TFTM 08:29 < MillerBOSS> So its thermal paste. 08:29 < nohusuro> or maybe you reseating things fixed it 08:30 < MillerBOSS> Oh I tried that many times 08:30 < MillerBOSS> Put new "CPU" grease the GPU 08:30 < MillerBOSS> I usually use this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835100015 08:31 < MillerBOSS> So a 2010 back to life. I am happy :D 08:32 < MillerBOSS> System Information: Model: iMac (27-inch, Mid 2010) β€’ CPU: Intel Core i7 870 (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 2.93 GHz β€’ Memory: 32.00 GB β€’ Uptime: 21 minutes β€’ Disk Space: 499.90 GB β€’ Graphics: ATI Radeon HD 5750 β€’ Display Resolution: 2560 x 1440 β€’ OS: macOS High Sierra (Version 10.13.4, Build 17E202) 08:32 < MillerBOSS> And was able to get 32GB of RAM in this sucker 08:32 < MillerBOSS> And two SSDs 08:32 < MillerBOSS> System Memory: Free: 21.27 GB; Used: 10.73 GB; Total: 32.00 GB; β€” [❙❙❙❙|❙❙❙❙❙❙❙❙] 08:33 < MillerBOSS> Just the iSight doesn't work but I can live with that 08:38 < MillerBOSS> How goes it nohusuro? 08:40 < MillerBOSS> Without looking at logs wasn't you that helped/worked with me on that carding Trojan/A record shit back a few months? 08:40 < nohusuro> yeah 08:40 < nohusuro> well, I was tracking DNS records changes for you 08:40 < MillerBOSS> Right 08:41 < nohusuro> but nothing much more than that 08:41 < nohusuro> other than helping find that it was carding related 08:41 < MillerBOSS> So I will be upgrading all my SonicWALLs to FortiGates 08:41 < nohusuro> I've just been writing little utility programs this week 08:41 < MillerBOSS> Just had a demo today 08:41 < nohusuro> but have been super helpful in finding issues 08:41 < nohusuro> how were they? 08:41 < MillerBOSS> Oh cool. 08:41 < MillerBOSS> Well the interface was nice 08:41 < nohusuro> what do they offer you over the sonicwalls? 08:43 < MillerBOSS> Good question, so they have FortiCloud which does the logging for free up to 7 days, you can purchase the subscription get more time. I think its a year. And FortiManage to manage all the devices from one page. Lots of options 08:44 < MillerBOSS> I got a demo at a MSP but I was shocked there was no 2FA enabled or being used when he demoed a production unit 08:44 < MillerBOSS> So with FortiCloud you can see all your devices without having to connect to WAN IPs of remote sites. But he just logged in with username and remembered password. 08:44 < catbeard> You're a production unit 08:45 < MillerBOSS> Yes I am. 08:51 < nohusuro> MillerBOSS: what ever happened with that carding thing? 08:52 < MillerBOSS> No idea. Just nuked the machine 08:52 < nohusuro> fair enough 08:52 < MillerBOSS> I tried to learn more about what the trojan did but I did not have time 08:57 < MillerBOSS> Only thing is with this 2010 machine is SATA II but looks like its being maxed out well with SSD vs a spinning disk https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-18-01-56-47-nx.png 08:57 < MillerBOSS> Oh and USB 2 09:03 < Johnnyy> Hello, i forgot where i could download the latest windows 10 iso's from microsoft :O 09:04 < MillerBOSS> https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10 09:04 < nohusuro> wow, really? 09:04 < nohusuro> https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10 09:04 < nohusuro> three second google 09:04 < MillerBOSS> https://www.google.com/search?q=download+windows+10 09:04 < nohusuro> first link 09:05 < Johnnyy> volume licencing center thats the 1 thanks :D 09:05 < MillerBOSS> Just remember MS VLC when you google that next time 09:15 <@Nostalg14c> Or eopen 09:19 < MillerBOSS> What does that stand for Nostalg14c? 09:27 < humpaxx> hey folks 09:35 <@Nostalg14c> MillerBOSS: just the old name of it 09:56 < PEG> Exchange 2013, having 5 archive stroage for mailboxes. Any one know a good script to balance mailboxes depending on whitespace to distribute the mailboxes between the storage evenly? 10:01 <@Nostalg14c> Never bothered, just split on a-j,l-r sorta shit. 10:01 <@Nostalg14c> people with k get nothing. 11:06 < FenJai> Morning peeps 11:13 < Church-> Morn 11:15 < FenJai> Mornin' 11:49 < humpaxx> Yo Trapdoor You up yet? 11:49 < ihre> its a trap! 11:49 < humpaxx> Its a strange name for a door, i mean some times its just a hidden door with no traps behind them 12:05 < humpaxx> 10 weeks until my vacation.. looking forward to it 12:05 < humpaxx> Everytime my phone plings or rings i get this brief sense of annoyance so i think maybe its time :p 12:11 < FenJai> are wildcard certs from LE only available for VPS style hosts like digital ocean and AWS ? 12:12 < humpaxx> Can you import certs into your current provider? 12:13 < FenJai> Well Im trying to do this on an ubuntu VM 12:13 < ihre> FenJai: why wouldnt they? 12:13 < ihre> as long as your port is open and available for the script to run, it should just "work" (tm) 12:14 < FenJai> The DNS plugins for certbot only seem to support VPS style instances like docker atm 12:15 < FenJai> I was under the impression that wildcard certs required updating the DNS txt record for the domain every time the cert was renewed 12:15 < FenJai> By the looks of it, the DNS plugins are for VPS providers which have an API 12:16 < ihre> so far i've only used the webroot plugin tho 12:17 < Church-> Well I feel more awake and human. 12:21 < FenJai> Weird. certbot doesnt seem to have a way to display which version its running 12:26 < Church-> Rk 12:26 < Church-> Woops 12:38 < ihre> FenJai: certbot --version doesnt work? 12:39 < FenJai> Not when I tried. Let me double check 12:40 < FenJai> I used apt-cache policy certbot | grep -i Installed 12:51 < Trapdoor> I have been summoned 12:51 < Trapdoor> hey humpaxx yea 12:51 < Trapdoor> woke up a little late and had to take a taxi to get my car lol 12:52 < Trapdoor> our national day is heaps of fun 12:58 < FenJai> You're correct ihre. I dont know why I missed that 12:58 < FenJai> certbot --version works 13:06 < CheckYourSix> Why, in 2018, do websites STILL limit how long your password can be? 16 or 20 characters max seems to be everywhere. They're also too fucking lazy to write proper SQL queries, so tons of them don't allow special characters... it's amazing these sites don't get hacked daily. 13:06 < catbeard> no special chars = no hashing 13:07 < catbeard> no hashing = no account for me thx 13:07 < catbeard> can't be your last pw = delete me pls 13:08 < CheckYourSix> Even Office 365 limits you to 20 chars... 13:08 < catbeard> i don't use o365 13:09 < CheckYourSix> Just pointing it out 13:12 < CheckYourSix> And what do you mean by "can't be your last pw = delete me pls" 13:13 < catbeard> means they can reverse your passwords to check chars 13:13 < catbeard> == not hashed 13:13 < CheckYourSix> Uhh not necessarily 13:14 < CheckYourSix> They can store old hashed passwords and just compare 13:14 < catbeard> well right but i mean it would have to match the hash exactly 13:14 < CheckYourSix> Yes 13:14 < catbeard> can't just match part of the hash 13:14 < catbeard> doesn't work like that 13:14 < CheckYourSix> I know 13:15 < catbeard> i'm talking about sites that say you can't use a new password if your new password was contained or part of your old passwords 13:15 < CheckYourSix> Oh. Well that makes more sense 13:15 < Trapdoor> reminds me of a site I had to reset my password on 13:15 < Trapdoor> new password? same password but with three seemingly random letters at the end 13:36 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: spooky 13:37 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: What kind of holiday could you possibly have on a friday 13:37 < humpaxx> It needs to be on tuesdays or thursdays so you can take that sweet klΓ€mdag off 13:37 < Trapdoor> none today humpaxx 13:38 < catbeard> FRIDAY FRIDAY 13:38 < Trapdoor> yesterday was the 17th of may 13:38 < catbeard> GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY 13:38 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: And? 13:38 < catbeard> FUN FUN FUN 13:38 < Trapdoor> gtfo humpaxx it's our national day 13:38 < humpaxx> Oh 13:38 < Trapdoor> yea 13:38 < Trapdoor> gtfo sweden 13:38 < Trapdoor> norway for norwegians 13:39 < humpaxx> Is it when we let you become your own nation? 13:39 < Trapdoor> oh and other cultures too they're cool 13:39 < humpaxx> Im no historian but didnΒ΄t we use to own your land 13:39 < Trapdoor> it's around the time where the swedish king was shot by another swede 13:39 < humpaxx> Svea rike 13:39 < Trapdoor> by accident 13:39 < humpaxx> What scandiavia could have been 13:40 < humpaxx> The scandinavian superpower, feared even by the ruskies 13:40 < catbeard> hot buxom blondes? 13:40 < Trapdoor> We can still do it 13:40 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: Nah weΒ΄ll have to teach the danes and icelanders how to speak properly 13:40 < humpaxx> cba 13:42 < humpaxx> Less than 3.5hrs to go. time to try to be productive maybe? 13:42 < Trapdoor> nah 13:42 < humpaxx> DonΒ΄t do shit-friday? 13:42 < Trapdoor> Pretty much 13:42 < humpaxx> I wish i worked at a place where RO-fridays were a thing 13:43 < Trapdoor> Oh, the constitution wasn't to get out of Swedish control apparently 13:43 < Trapdoor> No wait we were... 13:43 < humpaxx> Lol, right. 13:44 < Trapdoor> The constitution was signed 17th of may 1814, declaring Norway as independent to avoid being ceded to Sweden after Denmark-Norway's defeat during the napoleonic wars 13:44 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: Has the attack by breivik changed anything in Norway? 13:44 < Trapdoor> A little more right-wing populistic but that's about it 13:46 < humpaxx> i saw they were making a movie about it 13:46 < humpaxx> Seems so tasteless 13:46 < Trapdoor> They were and did 13:46 < Trapdoor> apparently it's tasty 13:46 < humpaxx> tasty? :s 13:47 < Trapdoor> opposite of tasteless? 13:47 < Trapdoor> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_%E2%80%93_July_22 13:47 < Trapdoor> Apparently it was received pretty well 13:48 < Trapdoor> 8/10 imdb, 75/100 metacritic, 88% rottentomatoes 13:48 < humpaxx> Thats not too bad 13:50 < humpaxx> Time to do work stuff. 14:02 < humpaxx> Trapdoor: How many VPN connection do you have on your computer? 14:02 < humpaxx> I just hit 25 \o/ 14:06 < catbeard> "How many VPNs can be tied back to your PC?" 14:08 < humpaxx> I dont understand the question 14:08 < humpaxx> Oh ok now the coin dropped 14:09 < m4221> Hey, how does one combat organizational data hoarding 14:09 < m4221> hoarding? 14:09 < m4221> * 14:17 < ihre> cron 1/* * * * * rm -rf /opt/m4221 14:18 < ihre> */1 actually. 14:20 < m4221> ihre: err... find /home -type f -name "*.jpg" -exec rm {}; 14:21 < rhqq> hello 14:21 < m4221> End users store their personal photos on work servrrs 14:21 < m4221> servers* 14:22 < m4221> plop: hey 14:27 < m4221> rhqq: we have data hoarders...help 14:27 < m4221> Halp! 14:35 < humpaxx> m4221: Use HR to enforce a policy saying storing vacation photos on the server is a big no-no 14:35 <@Code_Man65> Friday has arrived, you may commence rejoicing 14:35 < Bru-> HALLELUJAH! 14:35 < Bru-> PRAISE ROF! 14:35 < Bru-> \o/ 14:35 < Bru-> |O| 14:35 < Bru-> |o| 14:36 < humpaxx> Paise fridays! 14:36 < humpaxx> s/paise/praise 14:37 < Casteil> +6 hrs kthx 14:37 < Casteil> I'm so tired right now 14:38 < Bru-> me 3 14:38 < Bru-> i get to put in notice monday 14:41 < Sousapro> JFC people are batshit crazy about ipv6 14:41 < Sousapro> NAT =/= firewall 14:41 < Sousapro> "But I have to rewrite my firewalls" 14:42 < Sousapro> You don't have a default drop on your firewalls? 14:42 < Sousapro> Their mother must have had a default drop policy for them when they were a baby 14:43 < McDonaldsWiFi> guys, I have an interview for my first real sysadmin pos on tuesday 14:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> :S 14:44 < Sousapro> McDonaldsWiFi: awesome 14:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> super nervous 14:44 < Sousapro> Don't be. As long as you know everything on your resume, should be good 14:45 < Bru-> McDonaldsWiFi: noice! 14:45 < Bru-> congrats! 14:45 < Church-> Anybody have rkeene's email? 14:45 < Sousapro> I've never had a serious interview as a sysadmin 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> ^^ 14:45 < Church-> McDonaldsWiFi: Don't fuck up now. 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> Sousapro: I totally do 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> I think... xD 14:45 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL thanks guys 14:45 < Sousapro> It's serious for like 5 minutes and then we talk shop for 30 and I'm either offered on the spot or I get a call back from HR with money numbers lol 14:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> Church-: I know he owns rkeene.org... might could dig around there 14:46 < ihre> Church-: yeah, check on https://wiki.tcl.tk/17323 14:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> Sousapro: my resume pretty much was an exact fit of what they need 14:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> I took the first avaliable interview slot to look eager lol 14:46 < Sousapro> McDonaldsWiFi: offer free WiFi during the interview 14:46 < ihre> lol, "Slogan - I mostly don't talk to people" 14:46 < Sousapro> Businesses love free wifi 14:46 < McDonaldsWiFi> Sousapro: and hamburgers 14:46 < Sousapro> ++ 14:47 < Sousapro> McDonaldsWiFi: I hope you get it if it's a good fit 14:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah I'm super excited 14:47 < Sousapro> McDonaldsWiFi: I would say I hope you get it but if they are assholes I hope you don't lmao 14:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> plus its only like 3 mins from my house 14:47 < Sousapro> I'm kinda jealous 14:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> nah its a small business and my job i do now is 100% identical 14:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> its a competitor xD 14:47 < Sousapro> Bwahaha 14:47 < McDonaldsWiFi> but here's the kicker.. I support like 1000+ users as a 2 man team 14:47 < cantibot> Guys 14:48 < cantibot> Okay, 14:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> they support 300-400... and itll be a 3 man team 14:48 < cantibot> well first off, happy friday. 14:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> my life will be so much better lol 14:48 < cantibot> I have THE WORST ear infection rn 14:48 < Sousapro> McDonaldsWiFi: yeah, this sounds epic 14:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> its r--r--r-- friday! 14:48 < cantibot> oh my godddddd...I can't even telephone rn ;_; 14:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> cantibot: you have an excuse not to talk to anyone today lol 14:48 < corn266> READONLYFRIDAY 14:48 < Sousapro> cantibot: all you can hear is Rebecca black on repeat in your ear? 14:48 < McDonaldsWiFi> cantibot: sounds like you're in enough pain to warrant staying hmoe 14:49 < cantibot> this is true but I am in k12 so it's the last two weeks aka crunch time 14:49 < cantibot> sooo...here I sit, generating reports, signing PO's 14:49 < cantibot> etc. 14:49 < cantibot> but yea, I am going to put a message on my phone to just email me today lol 14:49 < asimon> Good morning friends 14:49 < cantibot> morning blood. 14:49 < corn266> crunch time? You got the whole summer to fix issues 14:49 < Sousapro> Did you get antibiotic eardrops yet? 14:49 < cantibot> True, but I only got 2 weeks to get transcripts and reports ready 14:50 < cantibot> I did! 14:50 < cantibot> and they have a topical in it so it helps with pain that way too! :D 14:50 < cantibot> god bless this bomb ass insurance I have! 14:51 < cantibot> but yea..it feels like someone sneaked into my room and poured super glue in my ear 14:52 < cantibot> I can't hear anything except loud ringing...and they say that could last for a while even after this goes away...great 14:56 < m4221> Is reverse engineering shitty software now a sysadmin duty? 14:58 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 14:59 < McDonaldsWiFi> you guys think its better to make a shared mailbox for a shared caledar or use a public folder calendar? public folders on O365 are shit at best 15:01 <@Code_Man65> Shared Mailbox 15:01 < Anaphylaxis> I think you answered your own question 15:01 <@Code_Man65> Or a SP site 15:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah I thought so myself 15:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL 15:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> Yeah, but idk 15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> also, fuck reddit's new site. and fuck their "use old reddit" link that links back to the home page 15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD 15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> I dont want to have to type old. in the address bar >.> 15:04 < m4221> McDonaldsWiFi: stfu user...it is what it is 15:04 < m4221> ;) 15:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> ;D 15:04 < Sousapro> m4221: apparently 15:05 < Sousapro> m4221: especially now that devoops is a thing 15:06 < humpaxx> McDonaldsWiFi: write some kind of chrome extention that does that for you, maybe rewrites www.reddit.com to old.reddit.com or appends old. to reddit.com 15:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> I should just alias it from my dns server 15:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> redirect that shit 15:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> til they remove old. and reddit dies 15:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> but once they do ill likely never look at it from a computer again lol 15:07 < humpaxx> Just on the phone while on the loo, then? 15:07 < Nightcinder> blops4 is cod meets overwatch meets pubg 15:08 < Nightcinder> pls no 15:08 < cantibot> how do I get rid of the login screen everytime I visit old. too? 15:08 < cantibot> I tried blocking it with ublock but it broke scrolling for RES 15:09 < asimon> So last night I went to replace a faulty RAM stick in our VM hosting server 15:09 < asimon> Opened it up and realized I had ordered a 4 GB module and needed a 16 GB one :( 15:11 < abakedapplepie> oh no 15:11 < abakedapplepie> is the redesign live now 15:11 < abakedapplepie> D: 15:23 < Nightcinder> i still have the old one abakedapplepie 15:28 < asimon> I don't mind the new layout so much except for the fact that the scrolling will sometimes skip around as it loads off-screen content 15:29 < ebol4> is there a night mode in the new layout 15:29 < ebol4> i cannot browse reddit's default white layout 15:29 < ebol4> it burns us 15:29 <@Code_Man65> Do you not use RES? 15:29 < ebol4> i do use RES 15:29 <@Code_Man65> Then turn on night mode in it? 15:29 < ebol4> does RES night mode work with new layout 15:30 <@Code_Man65> Don't know 15:35 <@cryptic1> old.reddit.com 15:40 < alazare619> can someone explain the diffrence between a money market savings and a standard savings account like i'm 5 15:41 < ekaj> they're different 15:41 < Sousapro> They're both a bad deal? 15:41 < ekaj> what would you do then Sousapro ? I put money in my savings account so it's out of the way 15:42 < AnimalFarmPig> If I say this-- "Two kinds of sysadmins-- those who view being able to fake system log entries as a bug and those who view it as a feature." Can you guys really not think of when you might want to modify log entries or is the guy I'm talking to just exceptionally dense. 15:42 < corn266> alazare619: usually a money market savings will protect your savings against inflation whereas a standard savings just pays out against the interest rate 15:42 < ebol4> alazare619: savings accounts are generally harder to get money out of, they're for like cold storage of money. money market you get a debit card and checks generally 15:43 < alazare619> aww i do see the note about compounding interest 15:43 < alazare619> vs flat interest 15:43 < alazare619> i have been looking into other ways to make my money work for me besides just forex 15:43 < ebol4> invest in crypto again while it's down 15:44 < alazare619> thinking about using allys managed ETF's to get some money ou tthere as well and seen this money market thing never heard of it before 15:44 < Sousapro> ekaj: usually leave it in my savings account lol 15:44 < humpaxx> alazare619: If you buy my stuff you can sell it to friends and family, whats even better is that if you recruit two friends to help you sell you basically just get free money 15:44 < corn266> alazare619: I have an ally savings and vanguard money market account; both pay out better than a standard bank savings account 15:44 < khelpw> CheckYourSix: Right, I'm awake again. Hiking. 15:44 < humpaxx> msg me if youΒ΄re interested 15:45 < TuxedoJack> "Hey, we store full card numbers, CVV data, and expirations on paper, then scan that into our EHR for billing arrangements. Is that okay?" 15:45 < corn266> humpaxx: r/anti-mlm 15:45 < alazare619> humpaxx: no i dont want to join motor car club of america 15:45 < TuxedoJack> My asshole puckered up so much reading that 15:45 < ebol4> corn266: men loving men? 15:45 < corn266> this is a christian irc channel ebol4 15:45 < khelpw> specifically: Rope - Are you a paracord guy? Cheap plastic twine from wal-mart? Dyneema/zing-it/amsteel master race? 15:45 < ebol4> sorry 15:46 < Sousapro> TuxedoJack: sure it's fine. You should ask them if they want astroglide or red hot motion lotion for when the auditors come by 15:46 < alazare619> TuxedoJack: do you work where i work? 15:46 < AnimalFarmPig> TuxedoJack: what, don't store scans of social security cards in the EHR system as well? Amateurs! 15:46 < alazare619> Sousapro: auditors dont even bat an eye 15:46 < TuxedoJack> That's for a dentist client 15:46 < alazare619> healthcare auditors dont give 2 fucks about that shit 15:47 < TuxedoJack> PCI auditors do. 15:47 < alazare619> healthcare for every intent and purpose doesnt even HAVE to adhere to pci compliance 15:47 < Sousapro> TuxedoJack: ++ 15:47 < Sousapro> alazare619: ++ 15:47 < alazare619> i've worked in healthcare it for 8 years now 15:47 < alazare619> and i still dont understand why they dont have to adhere to pci compliance... 15:47 < TuxedoJack> alazare619: they still haven't forked over the money for full disk encryption, they bitch about bring things to currently supported versions, and they fucking run Dentrix 15:47 < Sousapro> alazare619: they claim it's all under the seal of the mysterious HIPPA and so whatever they want 15:48 < alazare619> pretty much 15:48 < corn266> TuxedoJack: how is that even a business cost?? 15:48 < TuxedoJack> And then we look at them and say "we run your systems and know them inside and out. You're no more HIPAA compliant than Jack is nice." 15:51 < TownCrierFelda> Hear ye! Hear ye! cryptic1 has been found to be a DEVOPS for Discord! 15:52 < corn266> man I just wish there was someone here who could explain pfsense 15:52 < Casteil> damn AC just kicked on.. cold as frig in my office now 15:52 < Casteil> large corner office, two big hvac vents 15:53 < TownCrierFelda> Code_Man65 is a shill for George Soros and B I G R O U T I N G 15:53 < corn266> Sounds about the same as my office, except not large not corner and only one hvac vent 15:54 < Casteil> haha 15:54 < Casteil> my old office was a little no-window dungeon with one vent 15:54 < corn266> TownCrierFelda reported as actively campaigning for DNS and B I G R O U T I N G 15:54 < Casteil> that vent made it freezing cold though 15:55 < ekaj> https://www.ipv6buddy.com 15:55 < corn266> I don't even get that luxury, just a constant 70dB drone for the entire day 15:55 < Sousapro> can we just go ipv6 already? 15:55 < Sousapro> would massively simplify all routing 15:55 < Sousapro> NAT sucks, fight me 15:56 < corn266> Alright meet me in donger 15:57 < alazare619> so i'm trying to decide if i should get into ETF 15:57 < alazare619> i don't have alot of money to start putting into etf's but is there a recommended minimum 15:57 < giant_it_burrit> alazare619: hit the vanguard ones 15:57 < corn266> FITE ME Sousapro 15:57 < giant_it_burrit> start thru betterment 15:57 < alazare619> i was looking at ally 15:58 < giant_it_burrit> betterment doesnt charge a lot of fees iirc 15:58 < giant_it_burrit> and has a low entrance 15:58 < corn266> What are you trying to do with your money alazare619 15:59 < khelpw> Probably get more. That's what most people try to do with it. 15:59 < giant_it_burrit> not likely 15:59 < giant_it_burrit> he has kids 16:00 < khelpw> Oh, well th at's out then. 16:00 < khelpw> that's* 16:00 < alazare619> make it work for me better 16:01 < DomLS3> active shooter in Galveston high school 16:01 < giant_it_burrit> jesus 16:01 < khelpw> srsly? 16:01 < DomLS3> sante fe* 16:01 < ekaj> .bofh 16:01 < DomLS3> http://abc13.com/live-coverage-active-shooter-situation-at-santa-fe-hs/3490869/ 16:04 < Casteil> for all their strict gun laws california seems to have a lot of school shootings 16:04 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: I have all my investments in an ETF that tracks the Polish economy 16:04 < AnimalFarmPig> $PLND 16:04 < mrghostman> not sure if srs Casteil 16:05 < Casteil> mrghostman: totally serious 16:05 < ekaj> Casteil: it's in texas, i thought cali too 16:05 < Casteil> ah 16:05 < Casteil> heh 16:05 < mrghostman> lol 16:05 < alazare619> betterment appears cheaper then ally invest 16:05 < giant_it_burrit> yup 16:05 < giant_it_burrit> youre welcome 16:06 < Casteil> I was actually just about to say that Texas, given all its population and very loose gun laws, has far fewer shootings than california 16:06 < giant_it_burrit> thats because no one wants to get shot my 92 yr old mrs jones 16:06 < ebol4> i would let her shoot me 16:07 < alazare619> kansas doesnt have any shootings 16:07 < alazare619> we all are packin 24x7 16:07 < Casteil> speaking of 16:07 < alazare619> dont even need a C&C license to pack 16:07 < corn266> galveston and sante fe are completely different things 16:07 < Casteil> still no word on my backordered Sig P365 :\ 16:08 < Nightcinder> back to work 16:09 < JFDkthx> wooo 16:09 < JFDkthx> im the only one here today 16:09 < JFDkthx> no pants! 16:09 < AnimalFarmPig> I had to take carry pistol to gunsmith the other day. I took it apart couldn't get it back together. That's embarassing. :/ 16:09 < tapoxi> Casteil: I mean state-level gun laws are pretty useless when you can just drive across state lines to buy one 16:09 < Nightcinder> The irony 16:09 < Church-> giant_it_burrit: So I may have been wrong about rkeene. He might've been at consensus. Which was the last few days as well. 16:09 <@killdash9> tapoxi: um, that's not how it works 16:09 < JFDkthx> tapoxi: dont fucking think that in new york 16:09 < Nightcinder> 'You are not permitted to download the file "pymins_px.exe" because it is infected with the virus "Riskware/Pymin_PX" 16:09 < Church-> Course I'm mostly asleep rn so what do I know? 16:09 < Nightcinder> fortinet pls 16:10 < JFDkthx> Church-: nothing 16:10 < JFDkthx> McDonaldsWiFi: you know what today means 16:10 < corn266> NO PANTS FRIDAY 16:10 < JFDkthx> well, i did say that 16:10 < JFDkthx> but it's also gas station breakfast burrito day 16:11 < corn266> Get an egg salad sandwich and become invincible 16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> JFDkthx: time to cry while I shower to relieve the pain of the week? 16:11 < JFDkthx> naturally 16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh 16:11 < JFDkthx> thats what i'll be doing to relieve the pain of my angus 16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> the other thing, burritos! 16:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL 16:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> just go home and toss some menthol powder on it 16:12 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: https://i.imgur.com/sGQRRlZ.png 16:12 < Casteil> "Fuckall friday" here 16:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> with a fan blowing on your shit 16:12 < Casteil> I'm trying to not do anything today 16:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> Casteil: ++++ 16:12 < corn266> lul Dickenson ISD 16:12 < JFDkthx> coworker wanted to redo the networking on the vmware cluster today. right before he said he wouldnt be in town tomorrow. 16:12 < alazare619> i just know as i get older i need to have my money working in more and more ways for me 16:12 < JFDkthx> i said, NO 16:13 < alazare619> i have a 401k an ira i wana get into etfs as well..and yes i have children they are expensive but i can still put a little each check into etfs etc 16:13 < tapoxi> killdash9: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/ 16:13 < tapoxi> good article 16:13 < corn266> alazare619: do you have a roth or traditional ira 16:13 < alazare619> my ira is roth 16:13 < alazare619> my 401k was suppose to be roth but found out after 4 years its been traditional 16:13 < corn266> that's good; why an ETF over a mutual fund? 16:14 < corn266> Yea mine as well alazare619 16:14 < alazare619> when i started this new job the 401k was opened as traditional but the company (prior to schwab) didnt have a web portal i could view it on and who opens mail these days... 16:14 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, I'm putting all my money into $PLND 16:14 < alazare619> i'm ok with either etf or mutual honestly i dont know enough about either to differentiate 16:14 < tapoxi> (I'm not anti-gun I just think all gun laws should be federal.) 16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/PLND?p=PLND 16:15 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig: $AMD yolo or gtfo 16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> $PLND 16:16 < Casteil> tapoxi: so basically... that's a study in what happens when you make it illegal for law abiding citizens to have guns 16:17 < tapoxi> Casteil: yeah, but I think the point to take away is laws are inconsistent 16:17 < Casteil> maybe if chicago weren't so bent on outright banning them they could enact a better approval/background check process 16:17 < Casteil> but hey, it's a lot cheaper to just 'ban' them and hope for the best 16:18 < corn266> What? Are you insinuating that prohibition doesn't work? I say bully to you sir 16:19 < tapoxi> I don't want to dive into politics but I think it should be a federal issue and everyone should be licensed similar to a driver's license (relatively easy to obtain) 16:20 < corn266> Agreed 16:23 < Palmar> we doing it again 16:23 < Palmar> routing changes on a friday 16:23 < ebol4> do it 16:23 < mrghostman> if the 2A states the right to bear arms "shall not be infringed", arent gun laws tecnically infringing? 16:23 < br14> guys. tgif. seriously. 16:23 < dragonfleas> holy fuck 16:23 < dragonfleas> i need help boys 16:24 < dragonfleas> i need the windows hyper extreme wizard admins to tell me how to fix this 16:24 < dragonfleas> so 16:24 < corn266> turn the fan off and then pull your dick out 16:24 < ebol4> win+r, cmd, ping 8.8.8.8 16:24 < dragonfleas> i have a computer, that has a VPN connection configured (windows 10 pro) at the office, I configured everything, it was working fine, configured under the right profile 16:24 < corn266> ipconfig /flushdns 16:24 < dragonfleas> she goes home 16:24 < dragonfleas> VPN connections listed disappear 16:25 < Palmar> install arch 16:25 < dragonfleas> when i try to manually connect using the "add a network connection" 16:25 < dragonfleas> i get "cannot connect" 16:25 < dragonfleas> so i can't even manually add one 16:25 < tapoxi> mrghostman: arms doesn't mean firearm, it means weapons, so theoretically any weapons ban would be illegal (switchblade, brass knuckles, bombs, silencers) 16:25 < dragonfleas> is this the DNS binding issue that's present in windows 10? 16:25 < dragonfleas> I'm not sure where the issue lies 16:25 < mrghostman> tapoxi: exactly 16:25 < dragonfleas> but the internet has not been helpful 16:25 < dragonfleas> i'm on page 9 of google 16:25 < dragonfleas> searched through technet forums 16:25 < dragonfleas> nothing 16:26 < Palmar> if the profile disappears, all I can possibly think of is that this might be related to the windows specific dumbness that iss classified networks 16:26 < corn266> Is anyone else experiencing this issue dragonfleas ? 16:26 < dragonfleas> corn266, no it's dedicated to this computer 16:26 < dragonfleas> my laptop everything works fine 16:26 < Palmar> ie: it might be that you set up the vpn on a "domain network" and then it isn't there for "private netwrok" 16:26 < Palmar> or whatever 16:26 < dragonfleas> Palmar, i thought that too, so I connected her to my phone 16:26 < dragonfleas> in the office 16:26 < Palmar> but idk, I'm a network/linux guy 16:26 < tapoxi> mrghostman: I think that would mean revisiting the 2nd amendment 16:26 < dragonfleas> and it still doesn't work 16:26 < dragonfleas> but on my computer it does 16:26 < corn266> Palmar: you work with rhel at all? 16:26 < dragonfleas> we have the exact same windows version 16:27 < Palmar> yes, but much more centos 16:27 < dragonfleas> i'm thinking it may be a network driver issue? 16:27 < corn266> So reinstall the drivers? 16:27 < dragonfleas> that's what one forum on google said, was there's an "advanced power setting" issue that can cause that 16:28 < dragonfleas> can't, she's now out of town for a month, is on too slow of a connection that my logmein times out 16:28 < corn266> Palmar: I keep getting a Kerneloops about bus_probe_device+0xb7/0xc0 have you seen it? 16:28 < dragonfleas> it's a 1000 ms ping 16:28 < corn266> rip 16:28 < dragonfleas> yeah 16:28 < dragonfleas> she's the CFO 16:28 < dragonfleas> and is bitching like crazy 16:28 < dragonfleas> and wants me to drive to new york 16:29 < dragonfleas> i'm in oklahoma 16:29 < corn266> I mean could the 1000ms ping be the issue? 16:29 < dragonfleas> maybe 16:29 < dragonfleas> no 16:29 < dragonfleas> because this happened when my phone was on mobile hotspot right next to her laptop 16:29 < dragonfleas> but i got it working 16:29 < dragonfleas> by just disconnecting and reconnecting a bunch and then trying the same thing 16:30 < corn266> I mean your phone network may be more reliable than her current connection 16:30 < dragonfleas> possibly 16:30 < dragonfleas> but my phone network works on my computer ALL the time 16:30 < dragonfleas> never had an issue 16:30 < dragonfleas> so it's gotta just be her computer 16:30 < corn266> Do the logs provide any useful info? 16:30 < dragonfleas> nope 16:30 < dragonfleas> couldn't find anything in the logs 16:31 < xtensive> drive to NY for a week, expense the whole trip 16:31 < corn266> I can tell my boss I threw up and drive to NY for you but it'll cost ya 16:31 < dragonfleas> xtensive, boss won't allow it, told me "fix remotely" 16:31 < Palmar> no I don't know the specific one corn266, is this a server or a workstation? 16:32 < Palmar> bad driver or something? 16:32 < corn266> Ticket resolved: "Can't remotely fix computer having remote connection issues" 16:32 < JFDkthx> why is there a school shooting every week it seems 16:32 < JFDkthx> or 2 a week 16:32 < JFDkthx> like this week 16:32 < corn266> Cause they're putting chemicals it the water that turn the friggin frogs gay 16:32 < dragonfleas> corn266, Ticket rersolved: "Employee terminated due to insubordination" 16:32 < DomLS3> where was the second school shooting? 16:32 < JFDkthx> yeah 16:32 < JFDkthx> santa fe DomLS3 16:32 < AnimalFarmPig> I was just thinking the other day that we've been a while since a school shooting 16:32 < DomLS3> Only other one I know of was in Vegas at the mall last night 16:32 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: Yeha that's today 16:32 < corn266> Palmar: server but standalone LPTP 16:32 < DomLS3> what about the 2nd one you mentioned 16:32 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: there was earlier 16:32 < JFDkthx> where the kid was shot 16:32 < AnimalFarmPig> or, at least, been a while since a school shooting with a decent body count 16:33 < JFDkthx> by the school cop 16:33 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, in Illinois 16:33 < JFDkthx> that was this week 16:33 < JFDkthx> felda was almost gunned down 16:33 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, but small body count 16:33 < JFDkthx> either way 16:33 < JFDkthx> like 16:33 < hxcsp> JFDkthx: he tried to take pfsense from someone 16:33 < JFDkthx> s/take pfsesne from/ force pfsense on 16:34 < felda> friday is for memes ye? 16:34 < corn266> dragonfleas: Ticket Resolved: "CFO doesn't understand technology" 16:34 < felda> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH8u8btNLQc 16:34 < felda> enjoy 16:34 < JFDkthx> ravioli: give layer 8 16:34 < hxcsp> oh great so as we are tlaking about school shootings. i pull it up and see headlines from my area 16:34 < hxcsp> https://www.click2houston.com/news/police-confirm-reports-of-active-shooter-at-santa-fe-high-school 16:35 < corn266> hxcsp: that's the one that got us talking 16:35 < JFDkthx> yeah 16:35 < JFDkthx> hxcsp: thats the one im talking about 16:35 < JFDkthx> why so many recently 16:35 < hxcsp> oh 16:35 < JFDkthx> why dont we fucking do something about it 16:35 < JFDkthx> like 16:35 < JFDkthx> kill the kids before they kill us 16:35 < corn266> increase psychiatric care availability and decrease or supplement the cost of therapy? 16:35 < mrghostman> dragonfleas: curious, whats the status of the Remote Access Connection Manager service on the user's machine? 16:36 < JFDkthx> corn266: ++ 16:36 < JFDkthx> not fucking demonize those that actively seek help 16:36 < JFDkthx> or 16:36 < JFDkthx> daemonize those that need it 16:36 < JFDkthx> either one 16:36 < xtensive> shitty parenting? 16:36 < JFDkthx> agreed 16:36 < dragonfleas> mrghostman, started, i already restarted that service 16:37 < xtensive> I mean, your kid shoots up a school, you gotta take some of that responsibility IMO 16:37 < JFDkthx> not teaching proper stress coping mechanisms. and also allowing easy access to firearms in your household 16:37 < JFDkthx> parents should definitely be held accountable. 16:37 < mrghostman> one would argue firearms access was easier in households 30 years ago but this shit didnt happen like it does now 16:38 < tapoxi> JFDkthx: we're already succeeding, birthrate is below the threshold needed to sustain the current population. yay 16:38 < JFDkthx> but we also didnt have the dramatization of said shootings like we doo now 16:38 < dragonfleas> any sysadmins from that area in here? 16:38 < JFDkthx> i blame the (((MSM))) 16:38 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, i agree 16:39 < corn266> information technology opening another avenue for bullying 16:39 < dragonfleas> parents of these little fucks need to be held equally as accountable 16:39 < hxcsp> what area 16:39 < DomLS3> dragonfleas: not all the time 16:39 < dragonfleas> mrghostman, it's about teaching your children not to be crazy 16:39 < corn266> hxcsp: wtf do you have brain issues? 16:39 < hxcsp> the area of the school shooting? 16:39 < mrghostman> dragonfleas: agree 16:39 < dragonfleas> yeah 16:39 < JFDkthx> hxcsp: he tryna dox u 16:39 < JFDkthx> i mean 16:39 < hxcsp> its across town from me :P 16:39 < dragonfleas> oh shit 16:39 < JFDkthx> he tryna dox people near it 16:40 < dragonfleas> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/santa-fe-high-school-shooting-today-2018-05-18-live-stream-updates/ 16:40 < hxcsp> pretty sure its a big city JFDkthx 16:40 < hxcsp> lol 16:41 < hxcsp> corn266: and yeah my question wasnt directed to what you were saying by the way 16:41 < corn266> Gencade is actively hiding in donger without authentication to avoid duels 16:41 < tapoxi> JFDkthx: I mean more school shooting than there used to be, its the hip new thing gen-z is into. I blame Fortnite 16:42 < hxcsp> tapoxi: no its pubg's fault. fortnites just a cartoon man 16:42 < corn266> "Billy how did you even get shot why didn't you just build?" 16:42 < JFDkthx> blame fortigate 16:42 < hxcsp> my fortigates are good to me 16:42 < JFDkthx> tapoxi: you dont see kids building treehouses 16:42 < xtensive> as long as we can agree it's definitely a vid'ya game 16:43 < tapoxi> yeah they're building these goddamn fortnite gun bunkers and murdering their friends 16:43 < tapoxi> when will it end 16:43 < JFDkthx> when i have kids, im giving them all plate carriers 16:43 < JFDkthx> them bitches going to school in mopp 5 16:44 < Sousapro> I need a tazer lol 16:44 < ebol4> just have extra kids as meat shields for the good ones 16:44 < JFDkthx> ebol4: thats what your kids are for 16:45 < xtensive> oh yeah, make your kid stand out and be as different as possible, solid plan 16:45 < JollyRgrs> dress your kids in pink bear onesies? 16:46 < JFDkthx> cuddle team leaders 16:46 < xtensive> also very thick brown glasses 16:46 < technonerd> Birth control glasses 16:46 < estranger> my daughter is going to rule the world 16:47 < dragonfleas> ebol4, what the fuck lmao 16:47 < nurdie> my daughter is going to beat your daughter up and rule the world 16:47 < xtensive> BCG's technonerd ! 16:47 < technonerd> I've got mine somewhere 16:47 < estranger> nurdie, lol maybe they should team up... its a big world 16:47 < dragonfleas> fortnite makes kids murderers! 16:47 < estranger> and makes them bad dancers 16:47 < dragonfleas> we need to BAN fortnite, BAN fortnite 16:47 < technonerd> They updated them so there not as big 16:47 < xtensive> I felt bad for all the guys in boot with those 16:48 < syere> it's all the tide pods they have been eating 16:48 < nurdie> I agree. BAN fortnite. If kids are going to play that garbage, they should be playing PUBG 16:48 < tapoxi> dragonfleas: #banfortnite 16:48 < silentfury> the thanos gamemode in fortnite was pretty fun 16:48 < tapoxi> these video games are making kids kill people! 16:49 < technonerd> Pubg is broken 16:49 < nurdie> Still better than Fornite 16:49 < technonerd> Just look at the fucking Xbox port 16:49 < dragonfleas> #banfortnite 16:49 < technonerd> My God 16:49 < estranger> only thing video games influenced me is my car purchases... thanks gran turismo 16:49 < nurdie> oh I haven't played pubg on console 16:49 < tapoxi> estranger: I bought a ford focus because of a podcast ad 16:50 < tapoxi> it was a bad idea 16:50 < estranger> tapoxi, damn one hell of an ad! 16:50 < Trapdoor> estranger, you drive an old Audi? 16:50 < JFDkthx> lol 16:50 < estranger> Trapdoor, a 3000GT with level4 turbos 16:50 < tapoxi> estranger: at the time ford sync sounded awesome 16:50 < estranger> jk 16:50 < Trapdoor> get it? because you never got far at gran turismo? 16:50 < JFDkthx> estranger: supra in reverse 16:50 < Trapdoor> lol 16:50 < nurdie> lol 16:50 < estranger> Escuda with the trims all fucked up 16:51 < xtensive> 3000GT was so badass back in the day 16:51 < nurdie> 3000GT is so bad ass* 16:51 < xtensive> VR4 16:51 < technonerd> Hair dryer for turbos is awesome? 16:51 < estranger> yeah VR4 model only 16:51 < estranger> the ones with out the fake dual exhaust 16:51 < xtensive> thing would start shaking when the turbos spooled up 16:51 < tapoxi> I want to buy an ELECTRIC CAR 16:52 < nurdie> Elon Musk == Tony Stark 16:52 < steevo> tapoxi, there are no good electric cars available for purchase currently 16:52 < xtensive> I had it's younger brother eclipse GSX 16:52 < estranger> i debate getting some forced induction ... would be fun, but not necisary at all 16:52 < JFDkthx> hour and a half left til the weekend 16:52 < nurdie> Google == Umbrella Corp 16:53 < technonerd> Boost is addictive 16:53 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought Tony Stark is a successful businessman? 16:53 < nurdie> Support Google, so that they can bring the zombies and all of these fortnite kids can have a healthy outlet 16:53 < JFDkthx> technonerd: the app? 16:53 < tapoxi> steevo: the chevy bolt looks nice 16:53 < corn266> steevo: have you seen the i8? 16:54 < steevo> tapoxi, afaik, the only leccy cars that have any kind of range at all are teslas. Tesla is a cancer on technology and society in general 16:54 < xtensive> Tesla roadster was really cool, although basically a lotus body with electrics 16:54 < tapoxi> steevo: bolt is 238 miles/charge 16:54 < AnimalFarmPig> xtensive: it was originally, but Elon Musk's constant changes resulted in something like 5% parts commonality when all was said and done 16:54 < corn266> steevo confirmed (((big oil))) 16:54 < nurdie> Tesla roadster is really cool* 16:55 < tapoxi> I don't want to get a tesla I think they look dumb 16:55 < tapoxi> also I want carplay 16:55 < AnimalFarmPig> so, it was more expensive and behind schedule 16:55 < AnimalFarmPig> because Elon thinks he knows better than Lotus 16:55 < nurdie> ....he does 16:55 < AnimalFarmPig> ... 16:56 < steevo> corn266, no, I just require more efficiency than electric vehicles currently provide. 16:56 < tapoxi> only getting an EV after I move the fuck out of here (btw any WA residents around?) 16:56 < xtensive> weird getting used to the regenerative braking every time you let off the gas 16:56 < AnimalFarmPig> it's kind of sad. Tesla could have been a successful business if Elon hadn't stolen it from its founders. 16:56 < nurdie> Lotus hasn't been innovative in a decade 16:56 < Casteil> "could have been" 16:56 < AnimalFarmPig> put out a halo car on someone else's chassis, license electric drive IP to competent automakers 16:56 < Casteil> don't count your chickens before they hatch? 16:57 < Casteil> that said I'd bet on Space-X before tesla 16:57 < Trapdoor> because you don't know if they're chickens or not? 16:57 < AnimalFarmPig> Tesla has never had a profitable year. Won't be profitable this year. Will fold next year. 16:57 < xtensive> I don't see that happening AnimalFarmPig 16:57 < Trapdoor> yea no, unlikely 16:57 < nurdie> Elon released all of Tesla's patents. He wants competition, but nobody has the balls to step in to his arena 16:57 < xtensive> There are a surprising number of Teslas around here 16:57 < AnimalFarmPig> SpaceX runs on government largess. Their claim to fame is being slightly cheaper than a government agency that sources its components from as many different congressional districts as possible. 16:57 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: do you happen to be a short selling tesla? 16:58 < xtensive> I probably see a handful everyday during my commemute 16:58 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: slightly cheaper? lol 16:58 < xtensive> I can't see them just going away 16:58 < AnimalFarmPig> nurdie: it wasn't a real patent release. It's a cross licensing deal. Use a Tesla patent, and you allow Tesla to use any of yours. 16:58 < AnimalFarmPig> nurdie: not altruistic 16:58 < Casteil> space-x is literally revolutionizing space access 16:59 < nurdie> AnimalFarmPig, nearly anything related to space was exclusively government run. How could he not have them as a customer? 16:59 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: not short selling Tesla, but I plan to buy some puts at some point 16:59 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: I wouldn't really bet against tesla 17:00 < Casteil> but I wouldn't heavily invest in them either 17:00 < AnimalFarmPig> Arianespace is private sector since 1980 17:00 < nurdie> Tesla isn't perfect, but making them sound like they aren't the most innovative car manufacturer today is absurd 17:00 < AnimalFarmPig> lol 17:00 < AnimalFarmPig> cult of Elon 17:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> the new apple 17:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 17:00 < nurdie> hahahaha 17:00 < Casteil> tesla has shaken up quite a few things in the car industry, and the other big mfrs are spending a lot of money trying to keep tesla down 17:01 < nurdie> nah. Apple hasn't been innovative either since they lost their commander 17:01 < AnimalFarmPig> seriously? persecution complex. Big manufacturers don't need to bother with that. Tesla will fail on its own. 17:01 < Casteil> I really hope tesla succeeds and sticks it to em 17:01 < Casteil> persecution complex? lol 17:01 < AnimalFarmPig> didn't Mercedes bail out Tesla a few years ago? 17:02 < nurdie> if Tesla fails under Elon, somebody else will just buy it and continue his work in a cheaper way 17:02 < AnimalFarmPig> I would rather they continue the work of Tesla's founders-- Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning 17:03 < AnimalFarmPig> Tesla could have been a great electric car company 17:03 < ravioli> tesla seems pretty great 17:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> ravioli: so does ur mom 17:04 < ravioli> rekt 17:04 < AnimalFarmPig> instead they lucked into having Elon Musk, whose claim to fame was being fired from the CEO position of X.com/Confinity/PayPal for incompetence, as an early investor 17:05 < AnimalFarmPig> getting fired from PayPal was the best thing to happen to him-- made him rich. If he had stayed in charge, he would have run that one into the ground too. 17:06 < ravioli> why is tesla bad 17:06 < LegalDrokz|PI> good afternun 17:06 < ebol4> car fast 17:06 < AnimalFarmPig> well, I bet he would have run it into the ground. If anyone wants to argue that PayPal would have been more successful if they had rewritten it as a native Windows application in MSVC, feel free to do so 17:06 < AnimalFarmPig> Elon will still make that arguement to this day, btw 17:06 < ravioli> someone hates elon 17:07 < ebol4> elon musk is a garbageman 17:07 < ravioli> he makes fast cars and cool looking rockets so he's fine in my book 17:07 < ebol4> he's going straight to the gallows after the proletariat rises up again 17:07 < LegalDrokz|PI> quick question about STP, is it normaly that the switches log a topology change every 20 - 40 seconds? 17:07 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: I don't think the infrastructure is what would make or break paypal.. 17:08 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: paypal as a native windows application rather than a web application? 17:08 < nurdie> I never knew there was this much random hate against Elon on the intranets lol 17:08 < Casteil> [source needed] 17:08 < nurdie> I guess you don't accomplish the things that he has without picking up some haters 17:08 < Casteil> nurdie: there's always yin to the yang 17:08 < nurdie> ^ true 17:09 < JollyRgrs> nurdie: which intranets? specifically inside of tesla, or at your own work? 17:09 < Casteil> criticism serves its purpose just as much if not moreso than praise 17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: one moment, I have one... 17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> direct quote from musk... 17:09 < mal_will> I bought a flamethrower from him 17:09 < mal_will> I haven't seen it yet, so my verdict is still out 17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: block of text there-- https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12511432 17:10 < nurdie> JollyRgrs, I'm actually referring to the WWW. The giant interconnected WAN network called the "Internet" 17:10 < Casteil> windows playform != native windows app 17:10 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: read the whole quote 17:11 < Casteil> I'm fucking working on it jesus christ you just posted it less than a minute ago 17:11 < ebol4> this guy reads 17:11 < AnimalFarmPig> or whole first paragraph. He clearly wants to replace PayPay frontend with native Windows frontend-- 17:11 < AnimalFarmPig> "On the face of it, it doesn’t sound like it makes much sense for us to be writing our front-end code in Microsoft C++ instead of Linux. But the reason is that the programming tools for Microsoft and a PC are actually extremely powerful. They’re developed for the gaming industry. I mean, this is going to sound like heresy in a sort of Silicon Valley context, but you can program faster, you can get functionality faster in the PC C 17:11 < AnimalFarmPig> ++ world. All of the games for the Xbox are written in Microsoft C++." 17:11 < AnimalFarmPig> other people have stated as much in interviews 17:11 < nurdie> ebol4, He also must be really good at learning physics and starting a rocket company from nothing 17:12 < AnimalFarmPig> nurdie: original plan was to buy Russian ICBM's 17:12 <+A-KO> wonder how my rebuilt WSUS box is fairing.... 17:12 < nurdie> AnimalFarmPig, it's true. Would have been easier 17:14 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: Yeah there's really nothing in there about any sort of windows native UI stuff 17:14 < Trapdoor> ++ world. All of the games for the Xbox are written in Microsoft C++." 17:14 < AnimalFarmPig> "writing our **front-end code** in Microsoft C++" 17:14 < Trapdoor> Halo was written in C 17:15 < AnimalFarmPig> "Two of the guys that left PayPal went off to Blizzard and helped created World of Warcraft. When you look at the complexity of something like that living on PCs and Microsoft C++, it’s pretty incredible. It blows away any website." 17:15 < ebol4> AnimalFarmPig: stop stop he's already dead 17:15 < Trapdoor> yea but what about halo 17:15 < Sousapro> A-KO: I bet it's fine 17:15 < Casteil> ok, fair 17:16 < Sousapro> A-KO: you increased the maximum ram on the IIS pools right? 17:16 < Sousapro> A-KO: it's kinda stupid how much resources WSUS can take if you get enough boxes syncing with it 17:17 < DomLS3> So, police can take a school shooter who just killed multiple kids into custody unharmed but won't hesitate to shoot an unarmed citizen during a traffic stop because they didn't like the way they twitched 17:17 < DomLS3> Seems legit 17:17 < Trapdoor> We all know the world is black and white 17:17 <+A-KO> Sousapro: oh, so a coworker linked up a downstream WSUS and then had auto approvals on 17:18 < JollyRgrs> Trapdoor: and we all know, it doesn't matter if you're black or white 17:18 * JollyRgrs hee-hee's 17:18 <+A-KO> Sousapro: Cue 300GB WSUSContent folder 17:18 < ebol4> you mean someone is playing god in a lionhead studios game from 2001 17:18 < Sousapro> A-KO: oww 17:18 * JollyRgrs also grabs his crotch 17:18 < Trapdoor> oh it does JollyRgrs, it matters a lot 17:18 < Sousapro> A-KO: that's brutal 17:18 <+A-KO> Sousapro: so I had to kill it, and then I ran a 'wsusutil reset'--and that ran for 6 fucking days straight 17:18 <+A-KO> and I'm like 17:18 <+A-KO> "fuck it" 17:18 <+A-KO> "rebuild time" 17:18 < DomLS3> The one that really got me was the cop that told the citizen to get his wallet out and show his ID... so the citizen did so and the cop shot him because he said he thought he was reaching for a gun 17:18 <+A-KO> cue kill SUSDB, wsusutil postinstall 17:18 <+A-KO> brb shower 17:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> DomLS3: and you dont even have to show them ID 17:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> that's the tragic part 17:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> shto doing somethign that wasn't even required by law -.- 17:19 < DomLS3> McDonaldsWiFi: Eh, I'm pretty sure you do 17:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> nah man look it up 17:19 < DomLS3> If they pull you over for violating a law you're required to show ID 17:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh pulled over 17:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> nvm, I'm n idiot carry on 17:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> afk 17:19 < DomLS3> xD 17:21 < Casteil> damn 17:22 < Casteil> now dell has a 10% off coupon that works on the new XPS 15s 17:22 < Casteil> $1550 -> $1400 17:22 < ebol4> and they're still too expensive 17:23 < Casteil> uh 17:23 < Casteil> for what they're packing? I disagree 17:23 < ebol4> i'll give them $350 max 17:23 < ekaj> I bought my XPS 15 for 2200 or so 6 years ago, things a beast 17:24 < Casteil> lol 17:25 < Casteil> i7-8750H + 16GB of ram, 256GB SSD and 96WH battery 17:25 < ebol4> the heck is a 96WH 17:25 < ekaj> mine was an i7-3612QM, 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 1TB HDD 17:26 < ebol4> do they have a discrete gpu? 17:26 < ekaj> mine did yes 17:26 < ekaj> also solid aluminum enclosure, was pretty nice 17:27 < Casteil> 8750H is a beast 17:27 < Casteil> hexacore 17:27 < ebol4> hexakill 17:28 < br14> An "IT" guy for one of my area's procured computers for his area before I started here. All whitebox asus custom jobs with the most horrific lack of compatability. 17:29 < Casteil> convinced my boss to order me one because I'm in need of higher powah for building/debugging 17:29 < ebol4> "hey boss can i have $1200" 17:29 < ebol4> "of course Casteil" 17:29 < br14> SCCM has deployed a printer package successfully ~4000x. except to these 5 systems, even after re-installing windows :( 17:30 < darkscrypt> br14: <3 printers. 17:30 < darkscrypt> just wait 10 years from now it may be more common to have to do drivers for 3d printers 17:31 < felda> I'm half excited, half worried about this part time extra work at our towns radio station. They got Core2Duos with 2GB of RAM running Windows 10 32bit ;_; 17:31 < Casteil> currently have a 6300U, the 8750H is literally 4x as powerful for multithreaded processing 17:31 < darkscrypt> perfect spec to reformat to something better.. like pfsense 17:31 < felda> lmao 17:31 < br14> I forgot there even have an x32 of win 10. 17:31 < ebol4> isn't core2duo like 2006 17:32 < felda> yes 17:32 < Casteil> ebol4: Frankly, we're hiring a shitload of people and our average laptop costs around $900 17:32 < silentfury> br14: did you perform the requisite # of human sacrifices before you deployed your packages? 17:32 * DomLS3 sends email out to company warning everyone not to open an email with a virus infected PDF 17:32 < coderphive> Hello 17:32 < Casteil> so a few hundred more for a laptop that will ultimately save me time... probably a small price to pay 17:32 < ebol4> o/ 17:33 < Casteil> if it saves me a minute in build time that's going to add up rapidly 17:33 < DomLS3> 10 users in the company: "I read your email and opened the file on accident, what do I need to do?" 17:33 < coderphive> How's everyone's RO Friday? 17:33 < DomLS3> within 5 minutes 17:33 < DomLS3> loo 17:33 < int0x1C8> I swapped out my old latitude E6540 for a quad core i5 NUC 17:33 < DomLS3> lool 17:33 < br14> silentfury: I guess I might need a few more. might sacrifice the tech if I can find him. 17:33 < ebol4> DomLS3: "i accidentally did the exact opposite of your instructions pls advise" 17:33 < int0x1C8> people see it on my desk and ask what it is, and I'm like that's my computer 17:33 < coderphive> I've also been waiting for an update on felda.io 17:33 < coderphive> Haven't seen shit 17:34 < coderphive> Website maintainer must be crap 17:35 < silentfury> br14: i believe you do the tech first as part of the ritual 17:36 < JFDkthx> coderphive: i reported the domain as abuse 17:36 < JFDkthx> its likely you wont be seeing it again 17:36 < kuahara> We're providing software to two offices that can't seem to talk to each other. Network A cannot VPN into network B. The rest of the world can VPN into network B just fine. Network A users are sitting behind a shitty Cisco RV320. Network B's VPN endpoint is a SonicWALL TZ600. L2TP/IPSec VPN. 17:36 < JFDkthx> hehehehehehehehehehehehe xD 17:36 < coderphive> JFDkthx good. 17:36 < kuahara> I have the sonicwall and a Windows Server at my disposal in network B. 17:36 < kuahara> Is there another, easy-to-setup VPN option I can run with and leave in the hands of network B so that users in A can connect? 17:37 < mrghostman> reports are the shooter this morning had a shotgun. do we ban shotguns now? 17:37 < DomLS3> ebol4: fkn kill me 17:37 < int0x1C8> we use openVPN through our pfsense 17:37 < JFDkthx> only full assault shotguns with high capacity magazines 17:37 < DomLS3> these people are just trash and don't deserve to have a job with a computer 17:37 < silentfury> kuahara: openvpn? 17:38 < giant_it_burrit> mrghostman: we have to ban everything 17:38 < giant_it_burrit> london banned butter knifes 17:38 < JFDkthx> giant_it_burrit: u furst 17:38 < giant_it_burrit> i have a fucking tomahawk in my bag atm 17:38 < giant_it_burrit> lul 17:38 < felda> My entire body is a lethal weapon 17:39 < JFDkthx> maybe because of farts 17:39 < silentfury> i'm in favor of gun licensing, not gun banning. 17:39 < Trapdoor> gnu licensing? 17:39 < silentfury> but a 'right' to have a gun, no, to me, that's a 'privilege' 17:40 < mrghostman> 2A says otherwise 17:40 < alazare619> so etfs are more like a day trade 17:40 < alazare619> and mutuals are more long term 17:40 < alazare619> so vanguard is a mutual fund right? 17:41 < felda> vanguard is a lot of ETFs my dude 17:41 < mrghostman> was a sawed off shotty...maybe we ban those...oh wait 17:41 < felda> actually we were both right 17:42 < felda> alazare619 Vanguard It is the largest provider of mutual funds and the second-largest provider of exchange-traded funds (ETFs) in the world 17:42 < abakedapplepie> wow 17:42 < alazare619> i've never really paid much attention to etf/mutual etc 17:42 < abakedapplepie> theres a $720 10 gigabit unifi access point 17:42 < alazare619> wait felda answered that 17:42 < m4221> felda: I made a lot so far off NTDOY over the last two years 17:42 < abakedapplepie> thats nuts 17:42 < alazare619> WTF? 17:42 < alazare619> pfsense 17:42 < felda> m4221 noice 17:43 < felda> I only use Vanguard through my IRA through work 17:43 < m4221> .g NTDOY 17:43 < felda> Got some utility ETFs 17:43 < felda> some high yield ETFs too 17:43 < felda> and CBIS 17:43 < m4221> felda: bought at $26 17:43 < m4221> felda: it is at $51 17:44 < felda> those are some nice unrealized gains 17:46 < alazare619> but are etfs able to be index funds? 17:46 < alazare619> and mutuals are able to be index funds 17:46 < m4221> $recruiter sent me an e-mail message about an AS/400 operator position.....in Wisconson...... 17:46 < m4221> .....uh no 17:46 < felda> m4221 but think of all the breweries 17:47 < felda> think of all the cheese 17:47 < genr8_> you might get to actually "debug" an AS/400 and by that i mean removing a roach 17:48 < Nightcinder> ugh 17:48 < Nightcinder> i'm getting a credssp error on some servers 17:48 < m4221> felda: we have an as400 where I work now 17:48 < JFDkthx> Nightcinder: wow 17:48 < JFDkthx> did you not read the articles last month 17:48 < genr8_> what do they use it for 17:48 < JFDkthx> you failed to pay attention. you're the scum of sysadmins 17:48 < Nightcinder> JFDkthx: no, but only some servers 17:48 < m4221> genr8_: it is the core of the business 17:48 < Nightcinder> but i can't even find the KB in wsus 17:48 < alazare619> m4221: you should take it 17:48 < Nightcinder> like i already approved it but it doesn't show 17:48 < felda> m4221 do I need to ship you an etherkiller or USBkiller? 17:49 < alazare619> as/400 guys are extremely hard to find 17:49 < alazare619> and usually offer KILLER pay 17:49 < alazare619> we are talking 200k+ 17:49 < felda> or a VGAkiller or a ParallelKiller? 17:49 < Nightcinder> JFDkthx: fix pls 17:49 < JFDkthx> felda: add in a selfkiller 17:49 < m4221> alazare619: all I know is how to fix the backups 17:49 < alazare619> the last one here in my area i seen within 180 miles was offered at 250k a year 17:49 < m4221> The as400 backups 17:49 < alazare619> its an as/400 17:49 < alazare619> the amount of commands it has is very limited... 17:50 < alazare619> theres not MUCH to know and you can know EVERYTHING about an as/400 with only a few googles 17:50 < m4221> alazare619: GO BRMS bam 17:50 < Nightcinder> JFDkthx: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4093120/windows-10-update-kb4093120 is it just this kb 17:50 < m4221> alazare619: our as400 op is on island time so I get stuck with his passwd resets 17:51 < JFDkthx> Nightcinder: 4103727 17:51 < JFDkthx> i think 17:51 < JFDkthx> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8i4coq/kb4103727_breaks_remote_desktop_connections_over/ 17:51 < Nightcinder> 4103723 looks like 17:51 < Nightcinder> is the patch for server 2016 17:52 < m4221> Shit we on server 2008r2 dawg 17:52 < JFDkthx> im shutting off my last 2k3 next week 17:52 < m4221> We gots a 2003r2 box too man 17:52 < JFDkthx> fuck you svn 17:54 < Nightcinder> i have one more 2k3 to turn off 17:54 < Nightcinder> but can't 17:54 < Nightcinder> i type the KB into wsus 17:54 < Nightcinder> and it finds nothing 17:54 < Nightcinder> like i already installed it 17:55 < alazare619> so i just got an email from my work stating they are going to do a payroll deduction (without my approval) for 400 per paycheck to pay a medical bill for the next 6 months (bi-weekly) 17:55 < alazare619> uhh 17:55 < alazare619> the fuck you are 17:55 < Nightcinder> wtf 17:55 < darkscrypt> only the irs can do that 17:55 < alazare619> heres whats funny 17:55 < alazare619> they pushed this same thing to collections 17:55 < alazare619> and its actually suppose to be handled by insurane... 17:56 < alazare619> my insurance is through their insurance... 17:56 < alazare619> so umm 17:56 < genr8_> so theyre trying to get it any way they can 17:56 < ebol4> don't you need like a court order to garnish wages like htat 17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ ? 17:57 < alazare619> basically my job is trying to get money from me because their insurance wont pay for a proceedure that was done on one of their employees as their place of employment and are trying ot take the money from my paycheck for working for them...in a nutshell they dont want to pay themself and are instead wanting me to work for free 17:57 < alazare619> think about that for a minute 17:57 < silentfury> and this is different from every other business, how? 17:58 < silentfury> businesses never want to pay for anything 17:59 < JFDkthx> know whats the worst. pulling off that last bit of nail on your pinky, only to have it tear off flesh on the side and start bleeding. 18:00 < JFDkthx> so now you're stuck with a fucked up pinky trying to capitalize shit 18:00 < JFDkthx> god forbid you want to play a game later and need to sprint. you're going to be in pain the whole time 18:00 < JFDkthx> i should just give up, and end it here 18:01 < corn266> yes JFDkthx it's not worth it anyways 18:01 < technonerd> Ya who needs a pinky anyway, cut it off 18:01 < corn266> On the bright side my boss brought in his dog so now we have an excited pitbull running around the office 18:02 < corn266> F 18:03 < Nightcinder> that's not a bright side to me 18:04 < m4221> corn266: ruff ruff 18:04 < corn266> She's a very sweet dog, and I open my office window for her to look out when she's bored 18:05 < Nightcinder> now if it was an office cat 18:05 < Nightcinder> sure 18:06 < corn266> She brought her bone into my office to look out the window with her 18:06 < silentfury> dogs in workplaces are great. 18:07 < xtensive> that sounds awesome corn266 18:07 < mrghostman> yes, having a window in your office does sound awesome...lol 18:08 < corn266> the building was built in the early 1900s and has no insulation other than the outward facing brick, so count your blessings 18:09 < xtensive> lol I have windows, they even OPEN although our properties guy gets mad when I do since it throws off the HVAC system 18:10 < darkscrypt> powershell split-pipeline is awesome 18:10 < darkscrypt> https://github.com/nightroman/SplitPipeline 18:11 < ebol4> euughhhh when spotify tries to play non-rollins black flag 18:11 < ebol4> no thank you sir 18:11 < darkscrypt> also open-vmconsolewindow in powercli for vmware 18:12 < mrghostman> which has the largest music selection? spotify premium or apple music? 18:13 < corn266> thepiratebay 18:13 < mrghostman> lul 18:13 < hxcsp> kazaa 18:13 < darkscrypt> mrghostman: do you like u2? 18:13 < mrghostman> no 18:14 < Nightcinder> fyi latitude 7490's are fantastic 18:14 < corn266> no u2** 18:14 < Nightcinder> silentfury: noty, keep your dog at home pls and ty 18:14 < Nightcinder> dogs don't belong at work 18:15 < khelpw> Everyone knows snakes are the best office pets 18:15 < corn266> I vote we make snakes the new scrum masters 18:15 < xtensive> can I bring my pet spider then? 18:15 < silentfury> what about my emotional support peacock? 18:18 < jbroome> how will snakes stand up for the meetings? 18:19 < ebol4> you'll have to hire one of those magic flute guys to make them dance 18:19 < jbroome> excellent answer 18:19 < xtensive> we're going to need catering for this meeting, it's getting pretty big 18:19 < ebol4> rattlesteaks 18:20 < xtensive> is snake any good? Would the other snakes be offended if we order in snake? 18:21 < khelpw> Snakes actually do a pretty good job standing up. They kinda periscope their heads up to see over tall grass 18:21 < khelpw> and in regards to eating em, some cultures do - but usually because there isn't much else going on to eat 18:23 < javi404> that is it 18:23 < javi404> i give up 18:23 < javi404> deep diving into vodka 18:23 < javi404> fuck this shit 18:24 < giant_it_burrit> javi404: what happened 18:24 < javi404> life happened 18:25 < gnupluslinux> javi404, wut up homie 18:25 < javi404> gnupluslinux: long time no talk 18:25 < javi404> what up 18:25 < gnupluslinux> not much, friday 18:25 < DomLS3> vodka? At least have some decency and dive into something better 18:25 < MadCamel> It's a high anxiety day for me. I can't attend unless I bring my emotional support animal. It's a hive of bees. 18:25 < gnupluslinux> javi404, alright? 18:25 < DomLS3> That's like breaking up with your girl and going to the hoodrat from 2B 18:25 < javi404> DomLS3: scotch but saving money 18:25 < derpingit> whadap dudes 18:25 < javi404> have to put a daughter through collage man 18:26 < javi404> so sticking with the cheap vodka for now 18:26 < javi404> club soda 18:26 < DomLS3> college is for suckers 18:26 < javi404> low calories 18:26 < javi404> DomLS3: well 18:26 < DomLS3> unless you want to be a doctor or a lawyer, fuck college 18:26 < derpingit> lol 18:26 < javi404> DomLS3: you want me to tell my daugter "fuck collage"? 18:26 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm forcing my daughter to learn Hungarian. University is free there. 18:26 < DomLS3> javi404: I'll tell her if you want me to 18:26 < javi404> lol 18:27 < derpingit> yes.. fuck collages, man.. u ever tried making one? 18:27 < javi404> DomLS3: you sound like someone i should have a beer with 18:27 < DomLS3> I can tell you didn't go to "collage" though 18:27 < javi404> i did 18:27 < javi404> CoE 18:27 < javi404> so fuck you 18:27 < javi404> i mean that in a nice way 18:27 < DomLS3> then learn how to spell it 18:27 < DomLS3> lol 18:27 < DomLS3> collage != college 18:27 < javi404> i lost my spelling when google started autocorrecting it 18:27 < javi404> long gone 18:28 < DomLS3> Just like your daughter should lose interest in collefe when google can teach her everything she needs to know 18:28 < MadCamel> I'm older and wish I had went. Like it or not my earning potential would be higher if I had a degree. So would my retirement fund. 18:28 < DomLS3> well son of a bitch 18:28 < DomLS3> college* 18:28 < mrghostman> lolol 18:28 < DomLS3> lol 18:28 < javi404> collage, a bunch of pics, college, a bunch of debt 18:29 < DomLS3> ^^ 18:29 < AnimalFarmPig> you should send her to college in Mexico-- Universidad de Quintana Roo has campuses in Cancun, Playa Del Carmen, and Chetumal. I bet it's only a couple hundred bucks per year, cost of living would be cheap too, and you have the opportunity to take awesome junkets. 18:29 < xtensive> you learn some pretty cool drinking games tho 18:29 < javi404> AnimalFarmPig: for a medical degree, sure. 18:29 < DomLS3> Send her to college in my house. I'll learn her real world skills 18:29 < DomLS3> AKA your mouth will get you further than your degree 18:29 < AnimalFarmPig> javi404: why not undergrad? 18:29 < javi404> ? 18:29 < xtensive> That's his daughter you sick fuck DomLS3 18:29 < DomLS3> xtensive: oh calm down it's a joke 18:30 < javi404> xtensive: thanks 18:30 < javi404> suck fucker 18:30 < javi404> DomLS3: i mean 18:30 < AnimalFarmPig> javi404: you said "for a medical degree", but I think it would be fine for bachelor's degree as well 18:30 < DomLS3> javi404: In case you hadn't noticed, I am the resident asshole here 18:30 < javi404> xtensive: people have no shame. 18:30 < DomLS3> and I am a very fun person to have a beer with 18:30 < javi404> AnimalFarmPig: what i mean. 18:31 < javi404> DomLS3: lets have a beer then 18:31 < DomLS3> Fly on over to Memphis, TN 18:31 < javi404> DomLS3: don't tempt me 18:31 < DomLS3> javi404: don't rape me 18:32 < javi404> how close to nashville? 18:32 < javi404> DomLS3: ^ 18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> oh man, if you're an American, you should go to a foreign country and do a degree in English. I bet it would be hella easy. 18:32 < xtensive> BIL is in Nashville, cool area 18:32 < mrghostman> memphis != nashville 18:32 < javi404> mrghostman: no shit 18:33 < AnimalFarmPig> Memphis is about a 3 hour drive from Nashville, but it feels longer because you're driving to Memphis 18:33 < DomLS3> javi404: Nashville is about 2 1/2 hours away 18:33 < javi404> DomLS3: meet me half way for a beer then 18:33 < javi404> i have people in nash i need to see 18:33 < DomLS3> javi404: Too much work 18:33 < javi404> and BBQ 18:33 < javi404> yum 18:33 < xtensive> and Graceland! 18:33 < DomLS3> Graceland... pass 18:33 < javi404> no thanks 18:33 < DomLS3> I've been here 9 years and never been 18:34 < javi404> BBQ and booze please 18:34 < AnimalFarmPig> .yt pixies letter to memphis 18:34 < DomLS3> Love Elvis, but not enough to go to that shithole part of town 18:34 < xtensive> I wanna go someday 18:34 < xtensive> it's in a bad part of town? 18:34 < DomLS3> xtensive: Uhh yeah lol 18:34 < DomLS3> one of the worst 18:34 < xtensive> I don't know shit about Memphis 18:34 < DomLS3> xtensive: You want to keep it that way 18:34 < DomLS3> Memphis is garbage 18:35 < mrghostman> is there a part of Memphis that isnt shithole? i've only seen it driving through on 78 & I-55 18:35 < DomLS3> And the outer parts of Memphis that are the nicer neighborhoods are starting to go down the drain too 18:35 < DomLS3> mrghostman: Yes. Collierville, Germantown, Cordova 18:35 < DomLS3> All suburbs of Memphis basically 18:35 < DomLS3> but they are getting bad too 18:36 < xtensive> holy shit, just pulle Memphis up on Zillow, everything is under 100k?!? 18:36 < mrghostman> in the ghetto areas, yeah 18:37 < mrghostman> pull up germantown, tn 18:37 < mrghostman> holy shit 18:37 < xtensive> that's a little better 18:38 < DomLS3> xtensive: great COL for sure 18:38 < DomLS3> I have a 2,800 SF house, 4BR for $230,000 18:38 < DomLS3> built in 2012 18:39 < DomLS3> super nice 18:39 < DomLS3> Would cost $800,000 or more in other areas 18:39 < DomLS3> Germantown and collierville are the most expensive 18:39 < DomLS3> but even then they still aren't bad 18:39 < xtensive> yeah 230 won't get you a condo here 18:40 < mrghostman> how's Chattanooga for COL & tech jobs? 18:40 < AnimalFarmPig> Chattanooga is a cool town and still cheap, afaik. Also, gigabit. 18:40 < syere> I wonder if felda is around.... 18:41 < AnimalFarmPig> but, I wouldn't expect many tech jobs. They were trying to attract start-ups with their gig-city thing. 18:41 < MadCamel> there's tons of places in the country that have relatively low income and therefore low COL. If you work remote or have a hookup for a normal-pay tech job in the area I highly recommend it. I've seen 4br houses in nice neighborhoods sell for $65k 18:41 < AnimalFarmPig> if I worked remote, I would totally consider living in Chattanooga 18:42 < derpingit> geezus. 65k ? 18:42 < br14> I'm guessing the neighorhood with 65K homes does not have >50meg internet :/ 18:42 < derpingit> are we back to this today ? lol 18:42 < AnimalFarmPig> only thing I disliked about Chattanooga was the lack of direct flights from the airport there. You've got to go through either Nashville or Atlanta. 18:42 < AnimalFarmPig> br14: whole city and even rural areas around it is covered 18:43 < AnimalFarmPig> it's through the publicly owned electric company 18:43 < derpingit> but all you need is line of sight and a "rich" friend with fiber :D 18:43 < MadCamel> eh, whatever comcast offers. I've got 100mbit but my anus hurts from dealing with them. 18:43 < AnimalFarmPig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPB 18:43 < derpingit> lol 18:43 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ the service provider 18:43 < Maarten> I could sell my house here in California, buy the same house in Idaho, New Mexico or Oregon somewhere..... and have no more mortgage. It's tempting, California's housing market is about to burst again I think. 18:43 < DomLS3> cali is the worst state 18:44 < genr8_> best 18:44 < AnimalFarmPig> oh shit, they offer 10Gb-- "In 2010, EPB was the first company in the United States to offer 1 Gbit/s high-speed internet, over 200 times faster than the national average.[2] On October 15, 2015, Chattanooga implemented the world's first community-wide 10-gig Internet service, available to all homes and businesses in EPB's service area." 18:44 < DomLS3> WORST 18:44 < xtensive> and have fuck you money to throw around to boot probably Maarten 18:44 < xtensive> cali prices are insane 18:44 < derpingit> hey that looks like a cool lil town 18:44 < DomLS3> and they are nazis about cars 18:45 < Maarten> I bought for 465k. My house now sells for 700-750-ish, and my mortgage is 360-ish left. Go figure :D 18:45 < derpingit> Maarten .. it will not. not with this demand . there is a shortage for housing here in SD 18:45 < bvierra> heya 18:47 < Maarten> derpingit, my best bet would be to sell high NOW.... wait till Trump fucks over the economy real good (which is bound to happen since he only JUST removed the Obama appointed fed), see the housing market crash and buy cheap elsewhere. :D Of course I'd pay rent for a year or two, and moving twice is a huge pain. 18:47 < bvierra> so we got a new fiber drop in from cogent, they assured me its supposed to be MM/850nm. We got a 10Gtek media converter with an ASF85-24-X2 SFP 18:47 < MadCamel> 465k would get you a 4000sqft modern house with an incredible scenic view or some other type of perk here. Or a huge penthouse condo right in the middle of downtown. Heh. 18:48 < bvierra> fiber end does not light up at all... anything I should check before calling into cogent tech support? 18:48 < JollyRgrs> did you lick it first? 18:48 < Maarten> If you have no light in the fiber, something is up you can't fix.... 18:48 < bvierra> twice 18:48 < JollyRgrs> and blow in it like an NES cartridge 18:48 < MadCamel> Stare into the fiber just to be sure it's not lit 18:49 < bvierra> I can see light in the fiber, just no Light on the Link for the fiber port 18:49 < MadCamel> sarcasm. I have a hole in my retina from that. Don't do that. 18:49 < bvierra> its ok I used a mirror first ;) 18:49 < Maarten> darwin award candidate ;) 18:49 < corn266> Can anyone recommend https://www.amazon.com/Black-Passport-Portable-External-Drive/dp/B01LQQHI8I/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1526662036&sr=1-1&refinements=p_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A5446812011%2Cp_89%3AWestern+Digital 18:50 < ThatOneRoadie> corn266, 8TB EasyStore at Best Buy 18:50 < ThatOneRoadie> grab it when it's on sale 18:50 < MadCamel> run a loopback diagnostic on your media converter if you have a patch cable and your router/switch's software supports it 18:50 < MadCamel> if the loopback passes then call cogent 18:50 < ThatOneRoadie> 3x the cost for 8x the storage 18:51 < mrghostman> scumbag amazon. bought a router from them yesterday. today it $10 less. they wont credit me saying "they dont price match". 18:51 < corn266> It's not on sale though, and it's 6x the cost 18:51 < MadCamel> er, I mean, run it on the fiber sfp. 18:52 < bvierra> yea, if I had fiber in the router I wouldnt have gotten the MC ;) 18:52 < Maarten> mrghostman, amazon is like airline tickets..... you check for a flight today, its $360. You check tomorrow its $400. You check the day after that, its $460. You think, oh shit, I better buy because the plane must be filling up. You buy tickets. You check next week. It's $280. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU :D :D 18:53 < DomLS3> Maarten: And that's why you use sites like camelcamelcamel for Amazon 18:53 < mrghostman> Maarten: they said i could return it, and buy it again at the lower price with the credit. like WTAF 18:53 < MadCamel> Maarten: camelcamelcamel.com and no this isn't self-promotion. 18:54 < DomLS3> MadCamel: ayy 18:54 < DomLS3> get off my koolaid motherfucker 18:54 < Maarten> You know they are running out of domain names to think of when people just repeat the same word three times and call it a website. ;) 18:55 < corn266> googlegooglegoogle.com 18:56 < Nightcinder> Web Page Blocked! 18:56 < Nightcinder> You have tried to access a web page which belongs to a category that is blocked. 18:56 < Nightcinder> wat 18:57 < Maarten> corn266, registered to some chinese company :D how funny :) 18:57 < Maarten> Nightcinder, its an expired domain, nothing to see. 19:00 < Aleks3Y> Masta hey guys! Quick question that bothers me lately. What do you use to keep track of all the Servers, IPs, Domains, all that from different sources. Cloud, physical etc. And managed by different departments. 19:01 < giant_it_burrit> do i own them all? 19:01 < khelpw> Aleks3Y: not really ideal, but we use lansweeper because it's cheap 19:01 < khelpw> and PRTG for monitoring 19:02 < ThatOneRoadie> PRTG, SolarWinds Orion, Nagios 19:02 < ThatOneRoadie> take your pick 19:02 < Aleks3Y> giant_it_burrit: own/rent/cloud/etc 19:02 < ThatOneRoadie> also corn266 grab the 8tb EasyStore on sale, It's $150-160 on sale 19:02 < Nightcinder> i keep meaning to install prtg 19:02 < Nightcinder> how annoying is it to set up? 19:02 < ThatOneRoadie> 3x the cost of the $50 drive you linked 19:02 < Aleks3Y> Not monitoring, more like just what IP's are assigned where, what are the roles of each server, etc 19:03 < Nightcinder> make a onenote doc 19:03 < Nightcinder> with a table 19:03 < khelpw> Nightcinder: very easy - just don't let it autodiscover the whole universe or you'll spend all day getting rid of probes you don't need. 19:03 < Aleks3Y> who is responsible for which domain / server 19:03 < Nightcinder> well 19:03 < Nightcinder> me 19:03 < Nightcinder> so i don't have that problem lol 19:03 < khelpw> and under 100 sensors, PRTG is free 19:03 < Nightcinder> i don't know how many sensors i need 19:03 < Nightcinder> i just keep meaning to do this but forget to 19:03 < xtensive> khelpw, we did that, and it found SO MUCH stuff 19:04 < Nightcinder> i'd like to monitor every switch, all the physical and virtual servers at least 19:04 < khelpw> So each thing that you're monitoring is a sensor, say you want to monitor CPU load, Disk free space, Disk IO, and memory utilization on one machine - that'd be 4 probes 19:04 < Nightcinder> probs would end up needing to pay 19:04 < Nightcinder> is it pay per sensor 19:04 < khelpw> No, Under 100 is free and the first paid tier is 500, then 1k etc 19:05 < Nightcinder> ahhh 19:05 < Nightcinder> i suppose i'll download and put it on the helpdesk server 19:05 < khelpw> but tbh, it's pretty easy to demonstrate value with the free version 19:05 < khelpw> get it up and running, collecting data etc, sending alerts and it's not a hard case to make that it's worthwhile 19:05 < khelpw> it's also great for shutting people up who complain about performance issues 19:05 < Nightcinder> downloading free trial 19:06 < Nightcinder> helpdesk has lansweeper on it, wonder if i should put it elsewhere instead.. 19:07 < Nightcinder> hmmm 19:07 < khelpw> Eh, I've got a single "utility" VM running things like our unifi controller, PRTG, Lansweeper etc. 19:08 < Nightcinder> unifi controller is on another server 19:08 < Nightcinder> would like to move it but effort 19:08 < Nightcinder> would like to combine both unifi controllers into one tbh 19:08 < Nightcinder> need to do that 19:09 < khelpw> Well, let me know if you have any issues getting PRTG running the way you want, I've messed with it quite a bit at this point. 19:10 < ReverendDS> Mmmm. PRTG 19:10 < ReverendDS> I miss those days. 19:10 < Nightcinder> how annoying is it to move two unifi controllers onto a new one that's hosted elsewhere? 19:12 < asimon> Aleks3Y: You can also check out pdq inventory for machine management. I'm still getting used to it but the kind of info you're looking for should be available on there 19:12 < Aleks3Y> thx 19:12 < catbeard> anyone use freshservice? 19:15 < gnupluslinux> that like amazon fresh or something 19:16 < silentfury> i think that might be freshbooks stuff? 19:16 < silentfury> nopes. 19:16 < catbeard> like freshdesk 19:16 < catbeard> but freshservice ticket system - cloud hosted 19:17 < Nightcinder> ogod khelpw 19:17 < Nightcinder> it autodiscovered 19:17 < genr8_> anyone use this ? or something like it - https://www.graalvm.org/ 19:18 < khelpw> You have fucked up now. 19:18 < Nightcinder> it auto autodiscovered 19:18 < Nightcinder> wasn't able to stop it 19:18 < khelpw> Nah, there's a checkbox during setup 19:18 < khelpw> Just delete everything 19:18 < khelpw> There should be a way to stop the auto discovery 19:18 < asimon> Nope 19:19 < asimon> Accept the skynet 19:20 < Nightcinder> wtf it thinks all the desktops are servers lol 19:26 < TuxedoJack> khelpw: now you fucked up! Now you fucked up! Now you fucked up! Now you fucked up! You have fucked up now! 19:26 < khelpw> ^^ 19:27 < khelpw> exactly what went through my head upon reading "It audiscovered" 19:30 < DomLS3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1VV1p4NIVY 19:30 < DomLS3> throwback 19:30 < DomLS3> p00nin n00bs 19:31 < mrghostman> p00nin? 19:31 < DomLS3> pwnin 19:31 < DomLS3> pwn 19:33 < DomLS3> That video is how school shooters are made 19:34 < DomLS3> oh god 19:34 < DomLS3> BOOM HEADSHOT 19:34 < DomLS3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY 19:34 < Code_Man65> DomLS3: What, watching videos of your mom? 19:34 < DomLS3> Code_Man65: Shut up you're not even an op 19:34 < DomLS3> oh 19:34 <@Code_Man65> O RLY? 19:34 < Church-> Lol 19:34 < DomLS3> hacks 19:35 < Church-> Ugh. I can't wait to go home. 19:35 < Church-> I want my fucking bed. 19:35 < DomLS3> In soviet russia, beds fuck you 19:35 <@Code_Man65> There would be a market for that DomLS3 19:36 < DomLS3> There's also a market for +v'ing DomLS3 19:36 < ThatOneRoadie> Code_Man65, In Soviet Kazakhstan, Rocket launch you! 19:36 < catbeard> lol DomLS3 -holds up sign *Yipes*- 19:36 * Church- is sick and two days plus without sleep 19:36 <@Code_Man65> ThatOneRoadie: Yeah, but that's because its old, busted, and unmaintained 19:37 <@Code_Man65> Church- Go the fuck home man, you aren't doing anyone (least of all yourself) any favors 19:37 < ThatOneRoadie> Nah Code_Man65, Baikonur is nice 19:37 < ThatOneRoadie> Which is mostly because russia still technically owns it 19:37 < Church-> Code_Man65: Stuck at a conference for at least two more hours. 19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> I would love to visit Baikonur 19:37 < Church-> Just sitting here thankfully. 19:37 <@Code_Man65> That's just waht the soviets WANT you to think ThatOneRoadie 19:37 < ThatOneRoadie> lol 19:37 < ThatOneRoadie> I have been to Baikonur 19:37 < ThatOneRoadie> there were no bears. 19:37 < xtensive> were there hot womens? 19:38 <@Code_Man65> That's because they were wearing invisibility cloaks 19:38 < Church-> Code_Man65: Trust me soon as can I'm safely hoofing it to penn so I can catch a train home. 19:38 <@Code_Man65> They were waiting for you to try to spread your capitalist pig ways so they could strike 19:38 < ThatOneRoadie> xtensive, Depends on your definition of hot 19:38 < AnimalFarmPig> my understanding is that there is not much of anything in Baikonur, aside from launch complex 19:38 < ThatOneRoadie> Yep AnimalFarmPig 19:38 < ThatOneRoadie> they launch rockets from there because there's fuck-all to the east of it 19:38 < ekaj> .bofh 19:39 < xtensive> well my standards are pretty low ThatOneRoadie so that's probably a yes 19:39 <@Code_Man65> Don't sell yourself short xtensive, you have to have standards first :P 19:40 < xtensive> There's so many of them! 19:40 < xtensive> the great thing about standards 19:40 < ThatOneRoadie> Baikonur from the airport's final approach looking east https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Baikonuriss.jpg 19:41 < AnimalFarmPig> man, that's beautiful 19:42 < xtensive> what are those cone shaped buildings ThatOneRoadie ? Is that a power plant? 19:43 < ThatOneRoadie> Yeah, city power plant. Coal IIRC 19:43 < gnupluslinux> clean coal? 19:44 < ThatOneRoadie> hahahahahahaha 19:44 < ThatOneRoadie> fuck no 19:45 < m4221> Hey 19:45 < ThatOneRoadie> Oh, it's gas turbine now 19:45 < ThatOneRoadie> interesting 19:46 < AnimalFarmPig> ThatOneRoadie: were you there for tourism? 19:46 < m4221> My folks take forever to get going 19:46 < ThatOneRoadie> Yeah, I was there visiting for a Soyuz launch 19:46 < xtensive> sweet beautiful coal 19:46 < ThatOneRoadie> it's interesting, you have to get a special visa 19:46 < AnimalFarmPig> cool as fuck 19:46 < DomLS3> AHAHAHA 19:46 < DomLS3> AHAHAHAHAHAHA 19:46 < ThatOneRoadie> technically you have to get two 19:46 < ThatOneRoadie> one for russia because you have to fly into moscow 19:47 < ThatOneRoadie> and then a special visa to visit the closed city 19:47 < xtensive> Soyuz launch, awesome! 19:47 < ThatOneRoadie> and you have to fly direct from moscow to baikonur 19:47 < DomLS3> So one of the managers has issues logging into our website through his phone. So he brings it to me to look at. First website that comes up when I open his browser? Pornhub 19:47 < DomLS3> ahahahahahaha 19:47 < xtensive> you should show him incognito DomLS3 19:47 < xtensive> maybe you'll get a raise 19:47 < DomLS3> Not my manager 19:47 < DomLS3> so no raise for me 19:47 < DomLS3> just awkwardness if that happened lol 19:48 < DomLS3> I could tell he knew too because he was all of a sudden disinterested quickly after I started poking around on it 19:49 < felda> any way to force java in Firefox? 19:50 * ebol4 vomits on felda 19:50 < felda> my switch only has a java interface ;_; 19:50 < felda> otherwise it's back to IE11 for me 19:50 < ThatOneRoadie> I think there's actual tourism packages to baikonur now 19:50 < ebol4> how does a switch not have telnet or ssh or something 19:50 < felda> it does but I hate it 19:50 < ebol4> git gud 19:50 < mrghostman> git gud and lrn2cli 19:51 < felda> fuk u it has a GUI for a reason 19:51 < ThatOneRoadie> Yeah, Starcity tours does it now. 3950 Euro for a 5 day inclusive vacation package 19:51 < DomLS3> java will force itself once you acknowledge that pfsense is cancer 19:51 < felda> NEIN 19:52 < ThatOneRoadie> 2700 euro if you downgrade to a 3 star hotel 19:52 < ThatOneRoadie> with no wifi 19:52 < ThatOneRoadie> oh the humanity 19:52 < ThatOneRoadie> lol 19:53 < Nightcinder> https://gfycat.com/AngelicFastAxolotl 19:53 < alazare619> so i'm learning lua 19:53 < alazare619> all just because i want an addon to work on a private wow server 19:53 < alazare619> because reasons 19:53 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: SAVAGE 19:54 < DomLS3> because what reasons 19:54 < ebol4> he's a cheater 19:54 < alazare619> i dont care to pay for retail 19:54 < Nightcinder> why the fuck would you learn lua 19:54 < alazare619> and i want the addon to work 19:54 < Nightcinder> ..wtf 19:54 < alazare619> so screw it 19:54 < alazare619> learning lua 19:54 < alazare619> its not really that complicated honestly 19:55 < alazare619> granted i'm using pycharms with a lua plugin 19:55 < alazare619> so i do have hte ide advantage 19:55 < felda> anyone have switches that start dropping traffic on specific ports? 19:57 < AnimalFarmPig> Lua.... someone told them "Arrays start at 1" and they thought it was a good idea 20:01 < JollyRgrs> i'm gonna make a scripting language called "universe" 20:01 < JollyRgrs> arrays start at 42 20:02 < StrongBad> I have a need for a switch enclosure that can filter salty sea air---at least 6u. Anyone know of a good place to start looking? 20:02 < StrongBad> some kind of NEMA thing 20:03 < br14> it'd be like NEMA++ 20:05 < br14> probably start with https://www.rainfordsolutions.com/ip-enclosure-ratings-and-standards ? 20:06 < ThatOneRoadie> xrack pro with filter module might do it 20:06 < ThatOneRoadie> http://www.xrackpro.com/v/vspfiles//server-rack-6U/exterior-features.htm 20:06 < StrongBad> thanks 20:10 < ThatOneRoadie> Slack is moving to denver too 20:10 < ThatOneRoadie> https://www.denverpost.com/2018/05/17/slack-headquarters-denver-incentives/ 20:10 < ThatOneRoadie> Slack, Amazon (probably), ULA 20:10 < ThatOneRoadie> Denver is going to rapidly become the next sfo 20:10 < ThatOneRoadie> time to buy a house 20:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> I wonder if Amazon will leave seattle 20:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm sure they will with that new stupid ass tax 20:11 < SandyTech> Probably not 20:11 < SandyTech> what new tax? 20:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> not sure if you saw that 20:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> its basically a head tax 20:11 < SandyTech> *blink* dafuk? 20:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> it only affects huge businesses like amazon in the city of seattle 20:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> look it up, its stupid 20:12 < SandyTech> yeah... you want major corporations to leave your city? That's how you make them leave... 20:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> yup 20:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> lots of jobs lol 20:13 < SandyTech> *shrug* I wonder if Amzn will call their bluff and start pulling people out 20:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> seattle has been doing a lot of anti-business shit altely 20:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> same for california 20:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> its all in the name of social programs mostly, but you can't take and take without concequences 20:13 < br14> Illinois is anti resident. 20:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> but they are about to be pro-solar 20:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD 20:14 < McDonaldsWiFi> bout to be a huge solar boom there 20:15 < SandyTech> We were talking about getting some solar at the house, but it still isn't cost effective. 20:15 < br14> Didn't CA mandate solar on new homes? 20:15 < ReverendDS> New homes going forward, yeah. 20:15 < SandyTech> After 2020 or something like that yeah 20:18 < Bru-> anyone try CoreOS/Container Linux? 20:18 < SandyTech> nyet 20:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> aka you're new home is gonna cost 10-30k more 20:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol why would they think that's a good idea xD 20:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> SandyTech: in the KY area you can pay off your system in roughly 5-7 years or somethign like that 20:20 < ReverendDS> Because stupid fucking morons shut down the nuclear power plant that provided nearly 50% of the power in the state. 20:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL 20:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> france is doing the same but with their coal plants 20:20 < br14> lol, CA should generate it's power from stationary bikes! 20:20 < SandyTech> I'm down in FL, it shouldn't be too bad to pay it off, but the quotes we've been getting for install have been absurd 20:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> how big of a system were you wanting? 20:20 < asimon> If you want a stark example of the nuclear shutdown effects take a look at germany 20:21 < ReverendDS> And they did it without a plan on how to recoup that power generation... the best idea put forward by the rich, NIMBY faggots was "just buy more from other states" 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> i get wanting to be green 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> but you gotta be smart 20:21 < asimon> fossil emissions skyrocketed after they started shutting their shit down 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> well nuclear IS green 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> ReverendDS: raise taxes and buy more 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> can't do that forever 20:21 < asimon> I can understand the arguments against nuclear that haven't been addressed yet 20:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> its all just fear 20:21 < ReverendDS> You think the bastards that pushed this (using their own personal funding) are going to be on-board with raising taxes? 20:22 < asimon> But shutting them down with no plan to replace the baseload power is just idiotic 20:22 < technonerd> Thorium all the 2ay 20:22 < SandyTech> McDonaldsWiFi: I'll have to pull the quote, but it was big enough to cover 3/4ths of my load in the summer time 20:22 < technonerd> Way 20:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> damnnn 20:22 < asimon> The funniest part is that in the U.S. at least it's the dems who are pushing against it 20:22 < SandyTech> not that that's all that hard, it's called the sunshine state for a pretty good reason 20:22 < ReverendDS> Not here in CA. 20:22 < asimon> like aren't you supposed to want to reduce carbon emissions 20:23 < SandyTech> but... but... nuclear... 20:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> i just want solar so I can be self-sufficient tbh 20:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> off-grid with a cutover switch like you would have it you were running a generator 20:23 < asimon> s/solar/a personal nuclear reactor 20:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> solar lol 20:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> power companies need to offer an insurance program 20:24 < technonerd> Ya be like the boy scout nuke guy 20:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> so you can have solar but still subscribe to them and keep their infrastrcture funded 20:24 < asimon> technonerd: not too far off the mark actually, except without the fraud 20:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> then in case your solar dies you can kick up with your insurance plan 20:24 < felda> McDonaldsWiFi lol ur a fuckin tree nerd 20:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> felda: love you too daddy 20:24 < SandyTech> That's another part of it, I could easily go 100% off-grid. Except I'm not allowed to 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> why? 20:25 < SandyTech> FP&L has bribed the county so that it's illegal 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> what 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> WHAT 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> most people would blame FP&L 20:25 < SandyTech> you *have* to have utility hookups at the house 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> I blame the county 20:25 < ReverendDS> Same with SoCal Edison 20:25 < SandyTech> you can't not have power & water 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> SandyTech: what's the minimum fee? 20:25 < asimon> Can you have the hookup but not use it? 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> hook up but don't use it 20:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah 20:25 < SandyTech> I think so, it's 20ish a month 20:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> too lame 20:26 < ReverendDS> Made it illegal to be off-grid... then raised prices... then fired everything IT and H1B'd it to InfoSys 20:26 < SandyTech> yep 20:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol... 20:26 < ReverendDS> Now they're being investigated for failure to keep their systems up, unable to provide the contracted power.... 20:26 < McDonaldsWiFi> cronyism makes me so mad 20:26 < ReverendDS> It'll be interesting to see if they survive. 20:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> who would capture that market nearby? 20:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> duke isn't close enough I don't think 20:27 < SandyTech> One of the nearby cities is also forcing its residents to pay anywhere from $10-30k per house to have city water & sewer hooked up 20:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> SandyTech: time to move from FL 20:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol 20:27 < asimon> You know that actually seems pretty similar to the isp scarcity shitshow that's covering like half the country 20:27 < ReverendDS> In CA? We're generally not super stupid, so it'll probably end up being seized and turned into a public util, rather than a private corp. 20:28 < corn266> asimon let's just redefine scarcity and that'll fix the issue 20:28 < SandyTech> I'd hope so. Either that or one of the other big players will purchase the assets 20:28 < ReverendDS> But, given the last two years of smartness, I'm planning for some no-name group in Nazi-ville Montana to get the contract. 20:28 < SandyTech> probably 20:28 < kuahara> This OpenVPN documentation opens with, "We all know that Microsoft probably couldn't organise an orgy in a brothel, so" 20:28 < ReverendDS> lol 20:29 < SandyTech> You shoulda seen some of the jackleg outfits that showed up down here after Irma 20:29 < Sousapro> SandyTech: FP&L is definitely scummy 20:29 < SandyTech> One of them tried to tie into our dedicated 600v feed to bring an apartment complex back online 20:30 < corn266> Hope they at least tried to piss on the exposed wiring first 20:30 < ReverendDS> Like the lady that is banned by at least three different government departments from taking contacts, has never successfully completed a contract in her entire "facebook marketing" career, and "won" the contract to provide 50,000 ready-to-eat meals but only managed about 2,000 before it was found out that she didn't know what the fuck she was doing? 20:30 < ReverendDS> Wait... you're in Florida. That was Puerto Rico. 20:31 < SandyTech> It wasn't as bad here, because the counties that got hit are some of the wealthiest areas in the country. 20:32 < SandyTech> That and it went through an area with a lot of good ol boys. We had the street cleared and swept up about 4 hours after the storm blew through 20:32 < gnupluslinux> we gonna rock it down to 20:32 < gnupluslinux> electric avenue 20:32 < gnupluslinux> and then we'll take it higher 20:32 < SandyTech> Hell, we had the streets cleared before the damn county could get their survey crews out 20:33 < corn266> Damn, my parents just moved back into their house a couple weeks ago after Hurricane Mathew 20:34 < SandyTech> 4 of us got into a pickup with a winch, with chain saws, bob brought his trackhoe out and everyone else grabbed what they had and we set to it 20:35 < SandyTech> The worst part was the damn deputy sheriffs always getting in the way 20:37 < DomLS3> God Damned smokeys 20:38 < SandyTech> You can't be out here, it's too dangerous like 20:38 < AnimalFarmPig> gnupluslinux: awesome song. You know it's about the Brixton uprising, right? 20:39 * SandyTech is listening to a bluegrass cover of Fade to Black 20:42 < SandyTech> my brother has decided he's not going to talk to me anymore because I told him he mounted his mower blades upside down and was right 20:43 < gnupluslinux> AnimalFarmPig, did not, that's cool though 20:44 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, you think it's a cool catch pop song, but it's about a riot and its context 20:46 < coderphive> SandyTech I feel like it says a lot that he mounts his own lawnmower blades 20:47 < SandyTech> He's normally really good about mechanical things, which makes it even funnier to me 20:47 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/2Ao1Iq8.png GAME OVER, MR MOLE 20:47 < coderphive> The privilege in me was never destined to mount my own lawnmower blades 20:48 < SandyTech> Ain't like it's hard... 20:48 < coderphive> See 20:48 < coderphive> The difference between you and I 20:48 < coderphive> is that you use "ain't" 20:48 < asimon> Fuck man 20:48 < asimon> I've spent half my time on IT stuff this week 20:49 < asimon> I'm supposed to be 40 hours billable 20:49 < coderphive> SandyTech /s 20:51 < corn266> what coderphive do you use yesn't 20:51 < coderphive> First of all 20:51 < coderphive> I don't speak like an animal 20:51 < SandyTech> I'm starting to wonder about some of my staff. They can calculate speeds, feeds and tool selections for a particular process like it's nothing. But you make a coupleof minor changes in the process they load programs into the machines and it's like the world has come to an end 20:51 < corn266> Non't you do 20:51 < gnupluslinux> adaptability 20:52 < gnupluslinux> "i learnt tit this way, you need to train me on the new" 20:52 < coderphive> gnupluslinux it's referred to as the "new new" 20:52 < gnupluslinux> yes yes, this is the tru tru 20:52 < SandyTech> That's about what it is. We just upgraded a few machines from NT4.0 to XP and they're just not getting it 20:53 < coderphive> wait 20:53 < m4221> Subaru: keeping old people safe on the road 20:53 < PfhorEver> adaptability requires a modicum of intelligence which about 80% of the world's population does not appear to hve 20:53 < gnupluslinux> >upgraded to 2018 20:53 < gnupluslinux> whatyearisit.png 20:53 < coderphive> NT 4.0 _TO_ XP? 20:53 < MillerBOSS> Is it FRiDAY yet? 20:53 < gnupluslinux> coderphive, haha dont be too surprised. i think he's in manufacturing 20:53 < SandyTech> Yup 20:53 < gnupluslinux> be happy it's not DOS still for some machines 20:53 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: is that one of those things that shoots shootgun shells into the ground or something? 20:54 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: we have a machine that runs UNIX of some variety 20:54 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: No lol, it just shoots 6 spears into the ground 20:54 < gnupluslinux> i wouldn't be at all surprised to see steel roller or what have you running off a damn abacus 20:54 < Casteil> https://www.amazon.com/Victor-Plunger-Style-Quick-Clean/dp/B00004RAMS 20:54 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: ahhh... still neat. I remember seeing something that looked similar to that but was somehow powered by shotgun shells. Don't remember what it did. I may have seen it in a dream. 20:54 < Casteil> people rating them don't think they work because they think they can just stick them in the yard randomly and get results 20:54 < coderphive> lmao 20:54 < coderphive> abacus 20:54 < gnupluslinux> and those fancy new 6 AXIS ROTATIONAL PRECISION machines running off some old version of solaris or some shit 20:54 < coderphive> meanwhile, Atticus Finch runs this abominable factory 20:55 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, no doubt 20:55 < corn266> That's fucking horrifying Casteil 20:55 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: well, I could fairly easily modify it to strike a shotgun shell primer 20:55 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: nah, the new $300,000 5 axis machine is running on 12.02 LTS 20:55 < Casteil> definitely give an audible alert lol 20:55 < gnupluslinux> i've noticed manufacturing machines tend to run some older, if not actually some custom embedded OS 20:55 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, oh nice 20:56 < coderphive> woah 20:56 < Casteil> I'm just leaving it in the ground, didn't even check to look 20:56 < coderphive> They have aptitude 20:56 < coderphive> shi 20:56 < Casteil> going to water my lawn with the blood of my enemies 20:56 < SandyTech> given that it cost us $30,000 to go from NT4.0 to XP in hardware alone, it's easy enough to understand why 20:56 < coderphive> watt in the world 20:56 < Wannabejrsysadm> Heya , Can somoane assist me with a Vcenter issue ? :) 20:56 < gnupluslinux> didnt stuxnet work cause the uranium purifiers ran off some embedded controller linked to an XP machine? 20:56 < coderphive> Wannabejrsysadm yes: uninstall it 20:56 < Wannabejrsysadm> :( 20:56 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: yep 20:57 < coderphive> lolol jk 20:57 < coderphive> I'm sure someone can 20:57 < asimon> Also because people plugged in random usb keys to their infrastructure 20:57 < gnupluslinux> Wannabejrsysadm, just ask your question, if anyone has an answer they'll chime in 20:57 < SandyTech> some of our equipment was just being upbraded *to* NT4.0 when I started here about a decade ago 20:57 < Wannabejrsysadm> So the issue is this , we have 3 Hosts attached to Nimble storage, I added a volume VOL1 and mounted it to the hosts, now i wanted to remove that volume, but I didn't do it in the Vsphere web cilent but I removed it from the datastore itself 20:57 < Wannabejrsysadm> now it stills show in vcenter 20:57 < gnupluslinux> asimon, you would think that someone doing fucking uranium enrichment would lock the hell out of their infra 20:57 < Wannabejrsysadm> but i can't remove it since it doesn't find it anymore 20:58 < asimon> You'd think, right? 20:58 < Wannabejrsysadm> since it doesn't exist on the datastore 20:58 < asimon> Should have sent them some stuff from http://usbkill.com/ 20:58 < Wannabejrsysadm> Would a restart of the Vcenter maybe fix it ? 20:58 < Atro> No 20:58 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, is it a thing where basically "if it works and keeps productivity, dont fucking touch it" ? 20:58 < Atro> It's dns 20:58 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: yeah. 20:59 < SandyTech> Machine maintenance & upgrade schedules for those things are a mix between 3 different departments and are planned years in advance 20:59 < coderphive> Can you explain this construct 20:59 < gnupluslinux> kinda like how the shuttle ran off decades old tech cause it had to be planned and known 20:59 < SandyTech> yep 21:00 < coderphive> That's a logical fallacy though 21:00 < coderphive> like, we know that's not how that works now 21:00 < PfhorEver> Wannabejrsysadm is there some sort of object dependency that still references the old datastore? 21:01 < gnupluslinux> coderphive, ? 21:01 < Wannabejrsysadm> PfhorEver it sholdn't be how can I check , only one VM was on it and I migrated it from datastore 21:01 < coderphive> Running old software doesn't really increase reliability or the ability to interface 21:02 < coderphive> So there must be something more to that is my point 21:02 < SandyTech> cost is a big factor. 21:02 < coderphive> Ah 21:02 < coderphive> So they overcharge you for software 21:02 < SandyTech> like I mentioned above, it was #30,000 in hardware alone to go from NT4 to XP on a single machine 21:02 < gnupluslinux> increase ability to interface no but with more time you'd have more chances to deep dive into old hardware and code to pick out kinks so they're not a surprise in execution 21:03 < coderphive> wow 21:03 < coderphive> gnupluslinux not really 21:03 < coderphive> We build devices in house and though we technically "know more" about our legacy devices, our jobs are often harder with them 21:03 < coderphive> Hence we moved to a different model 21:03 < PfhorEver> @Wannabejrsysadm I mostly run Hyper-V, but the principal is often the same. Sometimes the configuration files have orphaned resource guids. In the past I have had to delete the VM and recreate it again with the same vhds. 21:04 < coderphive> We used to do these big, long LTS releases for our firmware 21:04 < coderphive> Turns out that shit sucks 21:04 < coderphive> We moved to a rolling release/iteration model and life is mucho betta 21:05 < SandyTech> for the CNC equipment, getting it into a steady-state so the machine behaves predictably is also incredibly important 21:05 < coderphive> From the OS perspective or the actual software? 21:05 < SandyTech> OS & actual hardware 21:05 < Wannabejrsysadm> PfhorEver I'l try first to restart Vcenter, after that i'l reboot my hosts ... 21:06 < coderphive> I feel like you could do steady state with immutable images 21:06 < SandyTech> A lot of our equipment the software talks to a stack of custom ISA cards that talk to PLCs & motor drivers 21:06 < coderphive> idk about ISA cards, but PLC's are just IOT devices 21:07 < coderphive> with... less code 21:07 < coderphive> That's pretty cool though 21:07 < gnupluslinux> coderphive, yeah but i figure with space shuttle stuff, bigger priority is absolutely knowing how things can fuck and prepping appropriately instead of using the new shiny. could probably word that better 21:08 < coderphive> gnupluslinux Well, I think that had to do with the tempo back then 21:08 < coderphive> I would bet you SpaceX is using what people denigrate as "the new shiny" 21:08 < ebol4> where rkeene 21:08 < ebol4> need someone to explain how fiber optics wor 21:08 < coderphive> TCL SHUTTLE 21:08 < gnupluslinux> i wont even touch spacex 21:08 < SandyTech> NT4 and XP, even on the same hardware, behave differently enough that they need the speeds & feeds on cutting programs changed slightly to prevent them from ruining cutting tools 21:08 < gnupluslinux> probably runs off kotlin and scala 21:09 < coderphive> lmao 21:09 < gnupluslinux> works though 21:09 < coderphive> Rapid iteration my mans 21:09 < coderphive> I'd roll the dice and bet SpaceX does XP 21:09 < coderphive> Considering their testing culture anyway 21:09 < DomLS3> coderphive: I'd roll the nice and bet DomLS3 does your mom 21:09 < DomLS3> OOF 21:09 < DomLS3> err 21:09 < DomLS3> dice* 21:10 < DomLS3> shit 21:10 < coderphive> yeah but he's got a tiny wang 21:10 < DomLS3> fucked that one up 21:10 < coderphive> soooo 21:10 < coderphive> Nice guy with a tiny wang 21:10 < coderphive> My mom has more of a taste for big wangs and lobster dinners 21:10 < gnupluslinux> i want some fried chicken 21:10 < DomLS3> luckily I can fit a lobster in my pants 21:10 < DomLS3> don't ask me how I know 21:11 < SandyTech> one of the local BBQ joints has setup around the corner from us. I can smell ribs & chicken and am hangry 21:11 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, lets not pretend they dont know what they're doing 21:11 < coderphive> SandyTech do blue collar folks talk down to you for doing computer things? 21:12 < gnupluslinux> no he talks down to them for not being #onhislevel 21:12 < SandyTech> Nah, because I spend enough time on the shop floor with them 21:12 < coderphive> whew 21:12 < catbeard> chinese hath been ordered 21:12 < gnupluslinux> anything blow up recently SandyTech 21:12 < coderphive> SandyTech you think otherwise they would? 21:12 < SandyTech> without a doubt 21:12 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: nah, but there's fixin to be an upswing in accidents soon. We're switching to summer hours 21:12 < gnupluslinux> i kinda want to network a bunch of shop floor machines just to see what kinda traffic to spit at each other 21:12 < Sousapro> I need to play the marathon trilogy one last time 21:13 < coderphive> When I first got out of the military I got in a fight with a blue collar fella who talked down to me a lot about work 21:13 < Sousapro> those games were so good 21:13 < ebol4> Sousapro: you dying or something 21:13 < Sousapro> ebol4: naah, the games are getting really old 21:13 < gnupluslinux> coderphive, cause ya not a real man 21:13 < gnupluslinux> who gets down and dirty 21:13 < coderphive> kek 21:13 < coderphive> u rite 21:13 < SandyTech> first shift is getting ready to start around 0330 and end at 1130 21:13 < PfhorEver> @Sousapro cool, another BoB on channel 21:14 < Sousapro> :) 21:14 < SandyTech> and night shift will be moving back to either 6 or 7 PM 21:14 < Sousapro> Frogblast the ventcore 21:14 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, you guys run 24/7? 21:14 * Sousapro starts walking towards PfhorEver 21:14 < SandyTech> No, we have an 8 hour down window 21:14 < ebol4> someone explain optical modulation 21:14 < PfhorEver> Smells like napalm, tastes like chicken 21:14 < coderphive> is this US Steel production or something? 21:15 < Atro> ebol4: wave shit 21:15 < SandyTech> nah, we do contract manufacturing 21:15 < Hatter> we're bigger than US Steel 21:15 < coderphive> oh 21:15 < coderphive> I thought mostly engineers worked in stuff like that 21:15 < coderphive> like pick n place? 21:16 < coderphive> oh nvm 21:16 < coderphive> different CM 21:16 < coderphive> We're in house with an electronics CM 21:16 < SandyTech> same kinda concept, but for metals and some plastic stuff 21:16 < coderphive> They run their own systems though. I see what you mean though, they're all XP 21:17 < gnupluslinux> ecks pee 21:17 < gnupluslinux> yall think govt still runs off xp? 21:17 < SandyTech> in a lot of places 21:17 < coderphive> Kinda funny how XP in one context is good and the other is bad 21:17 < SandyTech> isn't it 21:17 < ebol4> when you're tuned to like 101.5FM, how much space around each radio station is there to accomodate for the frequency modulation 21:17 < PfhorEver> some of it still runs on nt 4.0 and xp 21:18 < ebol4> also is it 101.5MHz or KHz 21:18 < gnupluslinux> i know i've got xp running at one my clients cause they refuse to upgrade and run some old ass PCI dial up card 21:18 < SandyTech> PfhorEver: we have every MS professional operating system from NT4.0 all the way up to Server 2016 on my network 21:19 < PfhorEver> the IRS was recently in the news for still running 40 year old IBM mainframes 21:19 < ebol4> FM is MHz 21:19 < m4221> ebol4: it can be in kilohertz tooo 21:19 < ebol4> i'm gonna hertz you m4221 21:20 * m4221 radiates ebol4 with 20THz 21:20 < gnupluslinux> i'll kilo your hertz 21:20 < SandyTech> ebol4: the center frequencies in FM are usually done in 200 kHz incriments 21:20 < SandyTech> *increments 21:20 < ebol4> so that's plenty of room to be able to modulate audio data in there 21:21 < SandyTech> yeah 21:21 < coderphive> sorry 21:21 < gnupluslinux> are you fucking sorry 21:21 < coderphive> XP in a good sense = Xtreme Programming, bad sense = Windows XP 21:21 * gnupluslinux is just counting down the hours at thsi point 21:21 < ebol4> waves are cool as all hell my dudes 21:21 < gnupluslinux> XTREME 21:21 < SandyTech> of all the older OSes we run, XP is probably the easiest one for me to work with 21:22 < gnupluslinux> just recalled playing guild wars on xp 21:22 < gnupluslinux> with my glorious P4 and 512 mb memory 21:22 < SandyTech> heh 21:22 < PfhorEver> Ah here is the article: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-17/the-irs-computer-system-is-the-oldest-in-the-government 21:22 < gnupluslinux> 1024x768 screen baybee 21:22 < gnupluslinux> could run all of 1 instance of anything at a time, hoo boy what a monster 21:22 < komugi> I remember playing guild wars 21:22 < komugi> and working hard for dyes 21:22 < komugi> dat gold and silver dye 21:23 < gnupluslinux> my guild ran the shit out of factions 21:23 < SandyTech> I've got some machines that are happy with 128mb of RAM still 21:23 < gnupluslinux> all day errday faction battles 21:23 < gnupluslinux> komugi, i totally forgot about gold and silver dyes 21:23 < SandyTech> and some of our machines simply don't understand drives larger than 10GB 21:23 < gnupluslinux> werent black and white pretty valuable too 21:23 < gnupluslinux> SandyTech, i think you mentioned that awhile back 21:23 < komugi> I think so, yeah 21:23 < SandyTech> yup 21:24 < Hatter> Are there any fun video games to play this weekend? 21:24 < SandyTech> I've got a stack of CF cards in the vault with images of those machines ready to go 21:24 < komugi> online or single player? 21:24 < gnupluslinux> guild wars was such a bait and switch with that flame sword 21:24 < SandyTech> just waiting for some of those 90s era IDE drives to finally shit the bed 21:24 < Hatter> komugi: well both if you like 21:24 < PfhorEver> @SandyTech *sigh*, the good old days when my ram and hdd was in mb 21:24 < SandyTech> lol 21:24 < gnupluslinux> was like "nice i got the fire sword! wait this thing sucks. this crystal sword on neato though!" 21:24 < komugi> I think I'm probably going to try and finish Horizon Zero Dawn 21:24 < komugi> which is awesome btw 21:25 < Hatter> nah 21:25 < komugi> far cry 5? 21:25 < ebol4> Hatter: rainbow six siege is on free weekend 21:25 < komugi> always fun shooting religious nuts 21:25 < Hatter> ehhh 21:25 < PfhorEver> Sorry, for got the 21:25 < gnupluslinux> i've got a 10mb flash drive from msft somewhere 21:25 < komugi> I have twitter water bottle somewhere 21:25 < SandyTech> I'm pretty sure we've got some 5,25 floppy disks around here somewhere too 21:25 < komugi> i didn't even know they made 10mb flash drives? 21:26 < komugi> my oldest one is 256mb 21:26 < gnupluslinux> with our powers combined, we can make a usb powered water bottle called microtwitter 21:26 < SandyTech> when they were first becoming a thing 21:26 < gnupluslinux> komugi, it was old. like 90s old i think and was free from some convention 21:26 < komugi> that's cool 21:26 < gnupluslinux> you'd store like 2 word docs and call it a day 21:26 < komugi> in a retro geek kind of way 21:27 < komugi> Hatter - you're on your own 21:27 < gnupluslinux> or whatevr it had on it at the time 21:27 < SandyTech> I remember getting one and being so excited as I used the floppy disk it came with to install drivers on 98SE so I could use a whopping 256MB of storage 21:27 < komugi> lol, that's the two games I'll be plauing 21:27 < SandyTech> that I could hang from my keychain 21:27 < komugi> playing* 21:27 < Hatter> komugi: keep trying 21:27 < komugi> i dunno what you like 21:27 < PfhorEver> I used to run floppyfw on a 1.44 mb floppy in my home lab and it worked great 21:27 < komugi> i play video games to not interact with people 21:27 < komugi> so I almost always play single player 21:28 < gnupluslinux> CDs going the way of the floppy finally 21:28 < gnupluslinux> most of the laptops deployed now dont have the slot 21:28 <@mistiry> been that way a few years now 21:29 < Casteil> they've been 21:29 < gnupluslinux> only took forever a day 21:29 < Casteil> I haven't had a computer with a built in disc drive in ... almost a decade? 21:29 < PfhorEver> Yeah I actually like that trend. Most of the live OSs I use I put on flash drives anyway 21:29 < gnupluslinux> i was still deploying laptops with CD slots last year 21:29 < Casteil> at *least* 5 years 21:29 < Casteil> hehe 21:29 < gnupluslinux> im still having to deploy desktops with em for the time being cause banks seem to love their CDs 21:29 < Casteil> most of our employees get Latitude 7400 series 21:30 < Casteil> which is what I have.. soon to be upgraded to an XPS 15 9570 with a sexy hexacore beast i7-8750H 21:30 < gnupluslinux> ours get the 3580s 21:31 < gnupluslinux> there's a few probooks with cd drives apparently 21:31 <@mistiry> the hell do banks need with CDs anyway? 21:31 < SandyTech> We have a stack of pool T530s that people who need laptops get. 21:31 < PfhorEver> Casteil, are those Latitudes the ones with the new thunderbolt docks? 21:31 < gnupluslinux> mistiry, for whatever reason, the banks we interact with really dont like to transfer data any other way 21:31 < Casteil> PfhorEver: yeah 21:32 < komugi> i used my bd drive to install Quantum Break 21:32 < komugi> because.. that game was huge 21:32 < Casteil> which I have mixed feelings about, those fucking thunderbolt docks are expensive from Dell 21:32 < Casteil> well 21:32 < SandyTech> I may (finally) be able to get one of the Z series machines from the CAD/CAM guys to use as a desktop 21:32 < gnupluslinux> heh thunderbolt dicks 21:32 < Casteil> pardon me; the new XPS I'm getting uses the Thunderbolt dock 21:32 < Casteil> (because thunderbolt can support 120W charging or w/e) 21:32 < komugi> I just need a Surface Book with thunderbolt + eGPU support 21:32 < PfhorEver> @Casteil yeah they suck. They need to reinforce the port because the damn things will break or bend in the slightest wind 21:32 < komugi> that'll be my dream 21:32 < komugi> then I can retire my desktop 21:33 < Casteil> the latitudes 7480 and 7490 I think use the plain USB-C ones 21:33 < Casteil> usb-c 3.1 or w/e 21:33 < gnupluslinux> why tho? thunderbolt's nowhere near PCIe in terms of throughput 21:33 < SandyTech> I just can't get with the USB-C or Thunderbolt docks 21:33 < Casteil> whereas the xps 15 9570 is usb-c thunderbolt 21:33 < rhqq> usb-c tb is like 4pciex lines 21:33 < SandyTech> I prefer the old-school docks that you drop your laptop on to 21:33 < Casteil> I'm probably going to sorely miss my Latitude 7470's old bottom dock 21:33 < gnupluslinux> wasnt there a good bit of perf degredation using an eGPU vs a local card 21:33 < PfhorEver> same form factor interface between the usb-c and thunderbolts, different data transfer protocols 21:34 < rhqq> SandyTech: agreed, but well... my lattitude 7250 has an awful issue with dock 21:34 < komugi> gnupluslinux yeah - but it's good enough for most of the games I want to play 21:34 < gnupluslinux> fair nuf 21:34 < komugi> I'd be happy with just laptop/dock + home server/lab 21:34 < SandyTech> rhqq: that sucks 21:34 < komugi> less stuff to maintain 21:34 < rhqq> yeah, it discovers the dock 21:34 < rhqq> but it doesnt charge 21:34 < rhqq> it doesnt pass usb nor video devices 21:35 < rhqq> https://www.dell.com/support/article/us/en/04/sln298095/latitude-e5250-e5450-e5550-e7250-e7450-with-blanking-flickering-or-blinking-video-on-external-monitors-when-connected-to-docking-stations 21:35 < rhqq> this too 21:35 < rhqq> bsically unusable on XX50 series 21:35 < PfhorEver> i have found that there is significant lag between dock discovery and recognizing all attached devices, specifically wired networking 21:36 < SandyTech> Mine isn't too bad (currently I work of a T530_ 21:36 < Casteil> I need power but I need to retain mobility 21:36 < Casteil> hence the XPS 15 9570 21:36 < Casteil> and not a desktop workstation 21:37 < SandyTech> ah 21:37 < rhqq> Casteil: did you buy that new xps ? 21:37 < SandyTech> I love my T530. I've beat the everloving shit out of this thing and it just keeps on trucking 21:37 < Casteil> trying to build/debug on an older dual-core i5 adds a lot of overhead to the process 21:37 < komugi> how are Dells nowadays? it's been a while since I've had one 21:37 < komugi> or honestly, used one 21:37 < Casteil> rhqq: it's on order, I probably won't get it til the first week of june or so 21:37 < rhqq> ouch, so long 21:37 < Casteil> komugi: depends what dell. Latitudes, Precisions and XPS machines are generally pretty good 21:37 < xamithan> get a xps 13 21:38 < Casteil> rhqq: it's a Q2 intel chip lol 21:38 < Casteil> xamithan: XPS 13 doesn't have a hexacore i7-8750H 21:38 < komugi> ah, so just like before 21:38 < komugi> :) 21:38 < Casteil> best on there is the i7-8650U I think 21:38 < komugi> budget dells still meh 21:38 < xamithan> You don't need that garbage. You aren't designing superporn models on it 21:38 < Casteil> not that I don't like the XPS 13 21:38 < Casteil> it's just not as big of a step up 21:38 < SandyTech> It slid out of the back of an MCC cabinet and pancaked off the floor on the production floor while it was open and running. Took the air hose to it to clear the chips and she keeps on trucking 21:39 < Casteil> xamithan: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8650U/m470418vsm353957 21:39 < Casteil> that's why I'm not getting an xps 13 21:39 < Casteil> 8750h is nearly twice as fast for multicore processing 21:40 < ebol4> just buy two xps 13's 21:40 < Casteil> actually, my bad 21:40 < Casteil> best the xps 13 offers is the 8550U: http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-Intel-Core-i7-8550U/m470418vsm320742 21:40 < SandyTech> Aaaand there goes a $1700 cutting tool! 21:40 < Casteil> (really not a significant difference in performance between the 8550u and the 8650u) 21:40 < gnupluslinux> must be some good scissors 21:41 < xamithan> Just use the GPU to do your processing 21:41 < xamithan> Like crypto 21:41 < SandyTech> nah, it was a ceramic cutting tool working on an Inconel component 21:41 < Casteil> in all honesty... the xps 13 would probably be more than adequate 21:41 < gnupluslinux> i know some of those words, even in certain of those orders 21:41 < Casteil> going to that 8550u from my current 6300U I'd e getting ~40% faster single core processing and ~100%+ faster multicore 21:42 < javi404> word 21:42 < xamithan> How much faster is your proc than my i7-3520m 21:42 < Casteil> buut.. the 8750H is ~45% faster single core, almost 300% faster multicore :P 21:43 < Casteil> xamithan: current? or the XPS I'm waiting for with the 8750H 21:43 < xamithan> I don't think it matters, the 3520m is from 2012 21:43 < Casteil> lol 21:43 < Casteil> well, anyway.. 8750H is about 40% faster single core, ~250-300% faster multi-core 21:44 < xamithan> That isn't too bad single core 21:44 < Casteil> man 21:45 < Casteil> top end XPS 13 is just as expensive and a good deal less powerful than the XPS 15 model I'mg etting 21:45 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: think a drillbit looking job made out of ceramics cutting through metal. Inconel is a super corrosion& heat resistant superalloy that gets used a lot in turbines & rocket motors and suchlike 21:45 < Casteil> something about the name iconel 21:45 < Casteil> ...sexy 21:46 < aName> Anyone know of any openings for remote positions? I really need to get out of this job. 21:46 < jaelae> Hmm I keep debating going to gmail for my personal mail 21:46 < gnupluslinux> neat 21:46 < jaelae> Using outlook.com 21:46 < Casteil> isn't iconel like a super expensive alloy too? 21:47 < gnupluslinux> buy a domain and run your own email server 21:47 < Casteil> fuuuck that 21:47 < gnupluslinux> not too bad to set up though if i had to do it again, i'd just pay google 21:48 < Casteil> I enjoy too many of the benefits of google to ever separate myself from it :( 21:48 < gnupluslinux> Casteil, its not bad. bonus points cause i can make all kinds of bullshit throwaway emails for free 21:48 < gnupluslinux> didnt set up a backup though so if it goes down i'm SoL :P 21:48 < SandyTech> Casteil: It isn't cheap. I want to say barstock is going for 30-50$ a pound depending on the alloy and size 21:48 < Casteil> it's not bad until your email server gets completely blasted 21:49 < Casteil> I bought a domain and I think it was previously used by a company or something 21:49 < gnupluslinux> eh, for a personal one i dont care too much. i'd just take it down and call it a day probably 21:49 < Casteil> I couldn't run an email server on it because there was so much incoming spam 21:49 < gnupluslinux> rip 21:49 < Casteil> my web host couldn't handle it 21:50 < gnupluslinux> hasnt been too bad so far, i dont get much incoming. just the usual logins and ssh hits 21:50 < gnupluslinux> if it ever gets blasted i'll ship it over to google 21:51 < SandyTech> Casteil: of course a 1 foot section of our 3 inch barstock weighs somethilg like 35 pounds so... 21:51 < gnupluslinux> kept a bunch of defaults so its just a timing issue atm 21:52 < hexmonkey> C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!! 21:52 < Casteil> SandyTech: pricy :P 21:52 < gnupluslinux> there any good steel coming out of china? honest question 21:52 < hexmonkey> dammit 21:52 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: it's hit or miss 21:52 < m4221> hexmonkey: comboxfix haha? 21:52 < SandyTech> like everything that comes out of there. 21:52 < Casteil> SandyTech: I suckered my friend into buying a metal lathe earlier :D 21:52 < SandyTech> oh good show! 21:52 < Casteil> I mean, not really suckered because it was a damn good deal and he could probably turn around and resell it for 3 times what he paid in <24h 21:52 < hexmonkey> m4221: i never get that in at the right time 21:53 < Casteil> late 50s/early 60s Craftsman/Atlas lathe.. https://i.imgur.com/VA5KusX.png 21:53 < hexmonkey> Casteil: ooohhh 21:53 < Casteil> everything very tight and smooth on it :) 21:53 < SandyTech> gnupluslinux: we had a small mill we worked with ofer there that was fantastic for the lower grade steels 21:53 < hexmonkey> sounds dirty 21:53 < AnimalFarmPig> I use online.net for personal email hosting. It's something like 2 Euros per month for a domain, web hosting, and 3 email addresses. 21:54 < Casteil> needs a little cosmetic tlc and some degreasing/cleaning but it already runs pretty nicely even with the rickety old belt on it now 21:54 < hexmonkey> Casteil: the scale is hard to tell but it looks slightly smaller than I was expecting 21:55 < hexmonkey> Casteil: I BET YOU HEAR THAT A LOT EH 21:55 < SandyTech> the higher grade steels were spottier and tended to come from US or Canadian sources. Specialty stuff comes from the EU or Japan because it seems like the DOD eats up all the output of domestic specialty stuff 21:55 < Casteil> it's small 21:55 < aName> I was just asked for a list of email addresses - which should all be in a firstname/lastname format 21:55 < aName> So I gave them that 21:55 < Casteil> it's got about a 6" diameter swing 21:55 < khelpw> Casteil: does your friend know how to use that lathe? 21:55 < aName> And they're like 'Some of these are not correct and I'd have to check each individually to know.' 21:55 < Casteil> and I think maybe like 18" 21:55 < aName> And I want to reply 'ditto' 21:55 < aName> But I think I might just reply 'I fuckin' quit' 21:56 < Casteil> (also has auto feed which is nice) 21:56 < gnupluslinux> glorious nippon steel 21:56 < Casteil> lol 21:56 < hexmonkey> Casteil: I wonder what kind of work was intended for that small of a lathe 21:56 < Casteil> uh 21:57 < Casteil> basically 90% of all lathe-produced machine parts? 21:57 < SandyTech> pretty much, yeah 21:58 < hexmonkey> Casteil: i base all my expectations of machining on the AvE youtube channel 21:58 < Casteil> this thing it tighter than AvE's bridgeport :P 21:58 < hexmonkey> haha 21:58 < SandyTech> Anything would be tigher than that thing 21:58 < hexmonkey> it's like a kitchen lathe 21:58 < SandyTech> just about anyhow 21:58 < khelpw> Casteil: tell your friend to start turning pens 21:58 < rhqq> dell oh why dell 21:59 < Casteil> I mean, he could 21:59 < rhqq> firmware upgrade that runs only on windows :/ 21:59 < SandyTech> Casteil: we do have a machine in house that can turn stuff up to like 24 inches 21:59 < khelpw> One of the only things I've found you can do on a small lathe like that you can actually sell. 21:59 < Casteil> many machinists would consider it a capital offense to turn wood on a metal lathe :P 21:59 < SandyTech> Who said anything about wood 21:59 < khelpw> Who said ^^ 21:59 < Casteil> SandyTech: Oh yeah, there's definitely stuff bigger than what you can turn on this lathe 22:00 < hexmonkey> Casteil: is brass considered a wood? 22:00 < SandyTech> I'd love a little manual lathe like that at home 22:00 < Casteil> pff 22:00 < khelpw> I've got a copper pen in my pocket right now 22:00 < hexmonkey> khelpw: also a type of wood 22:00 < Casteil> SandyTech: I know.. I am a little jelly although I'm the one that told him to buy it 22:00 < Casteil> khelpw / hexmonkey .. fair lol 22:00 < Casteil> typically when I think pen turning I think wood 22:00 < khelpw> These days, mostly epoxy tbh 22:00 < khelpw> but yeah, I know what you're saying 22:01 < Casteil> I'd probably rather have titanium than brass or copper 22:01 < Casteil> brass and copper get hella ugly 22:01 < Casteil> although afaik titanium can be kinda tricky to machine 22:01 < Casteil> kinda.. gooey? 22:01 < SandyTech> Yeah 22:01 < SandyTech> and flammable too. 22:01 < hexmonkey> Casteil: is the workbench your friend's too? 22:01 < Casteil> same with aluminum too 22:01 < khelpw> Ti is annoying to machine, yeah. So is zirc 22:02 < Casteil> hexmonkey: Yeah, I took that pic after we got it back to his garage 22:02 < khelpw> I've got a friend that makes things like this on his lathe https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eLRo5EiS/image.png 22:02 < Casteil> he has no sense of cleanliness :P 22:02 < khelpw> there's a carbide bearing in the other side, it's like a stemless top 22:02 < khelpw> spins for like 10 minutes. 22:02 < hexmonkey> mmm, harbor freight tools and a vintage lathe 22:02 < SandyTech> Alu isn't so bad. 22:02 < AnimalFarmPig> titanium you say? http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-022-j 22:02 < khelpw> Alu is just soft. 22:02 < hexmonkey> speaking of things made of wood 22:02 < Casteil> aluminum gums shit up, at least saw teeth anyway 22:03 < Casteil> khelpw: neat. would be cool to be able to do knurling for a pen 22:03 < ThatOneRoadie> That's why you use cutoff wheels with aluminum 22:03 < SandyTech> Though, I have earned the trust of the guys in the millwright group so I can come in on the weekends and use their manual stuff whenever 22:03 < khelpw> You totally can with that, just get the tool for it 22:03 < Casteil> oh yeah I know 22:03 < Casteil> hell you can *make* most of what would be needed 22:04 < SandyTech> You can use a cutting tool to get a knurling effect too 22:04 < Casteil> fortunately the buddy that bought it is literally right around the corner from me 22:04 < SandyTech> Does it have a threading dial on it? 22:04 < Casteil> it can autofeed 22:05 < Casteil> at different rates 22:05 < Casteil> not sure how tweakable the rates are 22:05 < SandyTech> You might could make that work I guess, but if it had a threading dial on it (didn't see one in the picture) you could pretty easily use a cutting tool to simulate knurling 22:06 < Casteil> yeah, possible 22:06 < SandyTech> Either Keith Fenner or This old Tony on YouTube did a video with that process in it not too long ago 22:06 < Casteil> 'thread' it one way, then thread it the opposite way at the same rate 22:06 < SandyTech> pretty much, 22:06 < Casteil> (by flipping the workpiece) 22:12 < estranger> Warrior needs food badly!! 22:12 < aName> Here, have some poison. 22:13 < estranger> rude dude 22:13 < estranger> with a bad attitude 22:13 < estranger> im borderline hangry 22:16 < aName> I'm just straight-up angry. 22:16 < estranger> lol bu tits friday 22:16 < estranger> BU TITS 22:16 < hexmonkey> why's it gotta be straight 22:16 < hexmonkey> TRIGGR/D 22:16 < aName> estranger: Because I got voluntold to come in from 9PM-4AM on saturday night 22:16 * hexmonkey stomps off to their safe space 22:16 < aName> estranger: Which meant cancelling my plans for the weekend 22:17 < estranger> yeah id be annoyed and pissed as well 22:17 < ebol4> i would quit lol 22:17 < aName> ebol4: Thinking about it. 22:17 < estranger> work with us and you dont have night/weekend maintenance windows anymore \o/ 22:17 < ebol4> or rather, i just wouldn't show up and let them fire me if they want 22:17 < aName> ebol4: I was originally told it'd be a one hour window on sunday night 22:17 < aName> estranger: You hiring? 22:18 < PfhorEver> estranger where do you work that does not have maintenance windows? 22:19 < estranger> i work for a database software vendor that requires zero downtime ever.. so you can do your maintenance/upgrades/etc during the day 22:20 < m4221> estranger: hahahaha 22:20 < estranger> its a glorious thing 22:20 < estranger> m4221, i got the balls to say we can do 100% uptime... and keep a straight face 22:21 < PfhorEver> so you are telling me that there is no patching, network upgrades, or hardware replacements? 22:21 < estranger> PfhorEver, we're a distributed DB.. no one gives a shit if you have a hardware failure or have to take a server down 22:21 < AnimalFarmPig> sitting in a meeting for project that I somehow got dragged into. We're embedding Cisco Spark (aka WebEx Teams) into a website. Actually, we're not doing it. Another company is doing it, but somehow I'm in this meeting. Person is demo'ing embedding chat widget into the website. It works great. Cisco person mentions video chat. Stupid lady at client is like "NO NO NO. I REALLY WANT VIDEO BUT IT WILL TAKE TOO LONG." Like, stupid lady 22:21 < AnimalFarmPig> why don't you listen to the engineers who did the integration. Video is already supported. If you looked at the goddamn system for one minute, you would get that. It's more work and time to disable the goddamn video chat than it is to disable it. 22:21 < PfhorEver> i'm gonna guess you run in the aws space 22:21 < estranger> we run anywhere. 22:21 < estranger> AWS/GCP/on prem/azure/softlayer/oracle cloud/pivitol/etc/etc/etc 22:22 < estranger> shared nothing architectures are the shit 22:22 < SandyTech> We looked at moving to O365 for exchange the other day 22:22 < SandyTech> Fortunately I managed to get that shit shut down ASAP. 22:23 < PfhorEver> yeah they are. unfortunately not all companies/orgs can use those architectures. like me, *sigh* 22:23 < vinrock> ive been pretty satisfied with exchange online 22:23 < vinrock> 3 years now trouble free for the most part 22:23 < estranger> PfhorEver, to be honest most dont need it 22:23 <@Code_Man65> We are working on a POC for moving to Exchange Online 22:23 < gavit> when disableing NetworkManager on centos, which file does one edit to modify the network? 22:23 < estranger> PfhorEver, you need a certain set of requirements and values before these big ass distributed systems make sense to use 22:24 < vinrock> the only thing youd have to really take into consideration if you are high volume would be you have no control on outbound spam prevention 22:24 < vinrock> if ms says you look like spam you cant do shit about it 22:24 < vinrock> thats when you go hybrid 22:24 < ebol4> aName: alternatively, if you can get monday off as a comp day, maybe that would make up for it 22:24 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, but that's why you use services like constant contact for mass mailings 22:24 < SandyTech> I wouldn't mind shutting down our 25 Exchange servers, but email is so heavily baked into our business processes and we don't have particularly reliable WAN links across teh baord 22:24 < ebol4> still have to cancel plans though 22:24 < vinrock> yep 22:24 < aName> ebol4: Nope, have to be in Monday 22:24 < estranger> vinrock, you can still setup your ... i forget what they are called its been too long....your outgoing connectors to use another 3rd party relay right? not just deliver based on MX 22:25 < ebol4> welp 22:25 < ebol4> burn the building down then 22:25 < aName> ebol4: Boss says I can take a day off in exchange but I was planning on going out of town 22:25 < aName> For an event 22:25 < vinrock> yeah estranger you can also do hybrid on prem/exchange online deployments 22:25 < aName> They're not going to hold it again 22:25 < hexmonkey> it's a moral imperative. 22:25 < aName> but hey 22:25 < aName> And honestly? 22:25 < TuxedoJack> Why the FUCK does someone need to have 10 secondary mailboxes mounted in Outlook 22:25 < PfhorEver> estranger that's what he is sayin, but his interwebs pipe is slow 22:25 < aName> 9P-4A should get me a week off. 22:25 < estranger> vinrock, yeah... they made that pretty damn easy to do w/ exch2016.. dunno if tht is even still the latst 22:25 < TuxedoJack> Oh, wait, I know 22:26 < aName> It's not an equivalent trade - a shift for a shift 22:26 < TuxedoJack> Because she's an overbearing controlling ass who can't be arsed to just set them up as secondary accounts rather than FAP on the mailboxes 22:26 < estranger> fap fap fap 22:26 < vinrock> never not fap the mailbox 22:27 < PfhorEver> TuxedoJack what are they a bunch of really old pst archives? 22:27 < hexmonkey> i find it easier to fap to instagram 22:28 < SandyTech> PfhorEver: we have a couple of busybody middle managers that have their entire team's mailboxes open in their outlook with full-access 22:28 < PfhorEver> lol 22:28 < AnimalFarmPig> now they're rambling on about "badges." No idea wtf they're talking about. They ask me how long it will take to do badges. Like, wtf, nobody every told me about badges. Wtf are you even talking about. "I don't have that documentation in front of me right now. I'll have to get back to you." wtf are these business people meetings. They're talking about nothing for 20 minutes. 22:28 < hexmonkey> SandyTech: holy crap 22:29 < SandyTech> yeah, it's fucking absurd 22:30 < hexmonkey> that's just a whole new level 22:30 < SandyTech> and they're always bitching that our email system sucks (we just bought their companies out) because they're always having outlook issues 22:30 < PfhorEver> Sounds like their direct line supervisor needs to sit them down to have a chat 22:30 < silentfury> but that would require actually managing the busybodies 22:30 < SandyTech> Not that they know it but they're about to be RIF'd 22:30 < silentfury> when it's much easier to let them manage themselves! 22:31 < silentfury> wait, justice? 22:31 < PfhorEver> yay! good riddance to bad rubbish 22:31 < SandyTech> their jobs are duplicates of services provided by HQ and as soon as the transition is completed they're out the door 22:31 < komugi> does anyone know if Packt books are ok? 22:31 < komugi> I'm looking at their DevOps books 22:31 < komugi> or should I just grab O'Reilly and be done with it 22:31 < SandyTech> komugi: FWIW I've never heard of 'em 22:31 < komugi> it's on humblebundle 22:32 < PfhorEver> in my experience the packt books are somewhat easier to read but lack a lot of depth, the o'riely books are the opposite 22:33 < ebol4> aName: yeah, particularly taking away your weekend should not only get you one day off 22:34 < komugi> Ok 22:34 < ebol4> staying up to 4am will eat well into your sunday 22:34 < komugi> So I probably want o'rielly then 22:34 < PfhorEver> komugi: they give you the option? 22:35 < komugi> no 22:35 < komugi> i'm just wondering if I should bother spending the money 22:35 < komugi> read: waste money 22:35 < PfhorEver> it's not a waste for $1-$25. that's a steal 22:35 < TuxedoJack> PfhorEver: no, live mailboxes 22:36 < komugi> but if it's just introduction and lacks depth, I can just get that from youtube tutorials 22:36 < hexmonkey> fucking coworkers talking about stupid laurelyanny 22:37 < ebol4> would you prefer they be discussing gun rights 22:37 < ebol4> and school shootings 22:37 < hexmonkey> yes 22:37 < ebol4> cuz that's where my office is at lol 22:37 < PfhorEver> komugi if you are just getting into something then you don't need much complexity; you can always fill that in later. besides experience is the best teacher. 22:38 < ebol4> what should i have for dinner y'all 22:38 < ebol4> it's friday night 22:38 < hexmonkey> that shit must be mind control because who could possibly give a fuck 22:39 < PfhorEver> ebol4 a 12 pack of old style and a bottle of jack daniels 22:39 < ebol4> i sustenance 22:39 < ebol4> see i can't even type i'm so hungry 22:39 < hexmonkey> get an irish dinner 22:39 < hexmonkey> six pack of guinness and a potato 22:40 < ebol4> mmmmm potato 22:40 < AnimalFarmPig> ebol4: I like to do pizza on friday nights 22:40 < ebol4> what can i do with like 5lbs of sweet potatoes 22:40 < ebol4> besides fries 22:40 < hexmonkey> 7 course dinner yo 22:40 < AnimalFarmPig> if you eat all 5 lbs with the skin on them, it should get rid of any intestinal worms 22:41 < ebol4> do people normally skin sweet potatoes? 22:41 < hexmonkey> AnimalFarmPig: because of the insecticides? 22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> hexmonkey: some enzyme in the sweet potatos 22:41 < AnimalFarmPig> no idea whether people normally peel them or not 22:41 < ebol4> the enzyme known as DDT 22:41 < hexmonkey> haha 22:42 < hexmonkey> only eat organic everything 22:42 < SandyTech> I'm pretty sure we have some DDT in the flammables locker 22:42 < ebol4> it always weirds me out when people peel normal potatoes 22:42 < SandyTech> I know there's some chlorine in there 22:42 < PfhorEver> Does DDT actually have some sort of industrial use? 22:43 < ebol4> smells good 22:43 < SandyTech> PfhorEver: nah, the old timers say they used ot use it for mosquito control in the heat exchanger ponds out back 22:44 < AnimalFarmPig> DDT helped eradicate malaria in north America and Europe. Pretty good stuff. 22:44 < AnimalFarmPig> malaria sucks 22:44 < hexmonkey> malaria and songbirds 22:44 < PfhorEver> So does a good gin and tonic 22:45 < catbeard> AnimalFarmPig: so do mosquitos 22:46 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, mosquitos in general suck 22:46 < hexmonkey> hA 22:46 < AnimalFarmPig> dying from a mosquito bite is especially suck 22:46 < catbeard> only difference between that and your girl.. a mosquito stops sucking when you slap it 22:46 < catbeard> :o 22:46 < SandyTech> We have big bastards down here what're the size of your hand 22:49 < SandyTech> They make a fairly distinctive droning noise 22:49 < hexmonkey> birdshot oughta take care of that 22:50 * AnimalFarmPig loads up some .22LR ratshot 22:50 < hexmonkey> somethign something rock salt 22:51 < AnimalFarmPig> something something ratshot something something WMD something something bestgunnit 22:53 <+NinjaStyle> Hi 22:53 < ebol4> henlo 22:54 < hexmonkey> o/ 22:54 < hexmonkey> leaving soon tho 22:58 <+NinjaStyle> Boop 23:01 <+NinjaStyle> Fuck my flight looks like it's going to be delayed 23:01 < ebol4> nooooooooooooooooooooo 23:33 < mal_will> ay NinjaStyle 23:33 < m4221> Hey 23:33 <+NinjaStyle> Ay 23:34 < m4221> My dad is talking like Flanders... 23:34 < catbeard> okeley dokeley 23:35 <+NinjaStyle> πŸˆπŸ»πŸ† 23:36 < mal_will> Every once in a while, you should just bust some flanders out 23:36 < mal_will> see how people take it in, you know? 23:36 < mal_will> probably, they will love it 23:49 < SpeakerToMeat> Hmmmmmm https://xkcd.com/1728/ 23:49 < SpeakerToMeat> Tempting 23:50 < SpeakerToMeat> NinjaStyle: You broke my chat 23:59 < Kobe`> killdash9, --- Log closed Sat May 19 00:00:25 2018