--- Log opened Wed May 23 00:00:07 2018
--- Day changed Wed May 23 2018
00:00 < admiralspark> there's different ways, is the answer.
00:00 < admiralspark> I'm a fan of using PKI but
00:00 < admiralspark> most people use something like...
00:00 < admiralspark> https://medium.com/python-rest-api-toolkit/python-rest-api-authentication-with-json-web-tokens-1e06e449f33
00:01 < admiralspark> sorry, python is my jam, but I'm sure Rails has something
00:01 < anickname> ok
00:01 < anickname> so i wouldn't need to use something like OAuth right
00:01 < admiralspark> anickname: http://www.django-rest-framework.org/api-guide/authentication/ has it pretty nicely spelled out
00:01 < admiralspark> not unless you wanted it
00:02 < admiralspark> oauth is something I would add *later*
00:02 < admiralspark> if possible
00:02 < admiralspark> what kind of data are you exposing?
00:03 < admiralspark> like is it private data like financial PII or is it public data like stock market prices?
00:05 < xe0n> morning
00:06 < Casteil> aww yeah
00:06 < Casteil> got my wee little baby smoker
00:06 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/kCco0yE.png :D
00:06 < Casteil> (baby because it's small, not because it's for smoking babies, you sick fuck)
00:06 < anickname> okay
00:06 < admiralspark> Casteil: nice! Wood chips or something else?
00:06 < anickname> what's something like OAuth for admiralspark
00:07 < Casteil> admiralspark: yeah, electrical + wood chips
00:07 < DOMF> can I recommend something other than wood chips?
00:08 < DOMF> do you know about the A-Maze-N pellet tray?
00:08 < admiralspark> anickname: "The OAuth 2.0 authorization framework enables third-party applications to obtain limited access to a web service."
00:08 < admiralspark> it also serves that function
00:08 < anickname> do I need it?
00:09 < admiralspark> I can't answer that. What kind of data are you wqorking with?
00:09 < anickname> really simple data
00:09 < Casteil> DOMF: what's wrong with chips?
00:09 < anickname> and then I'm also having users pay
00:09 < admiralspark> so not PII, PCI, restricted, etc?
00:09 < anickname> but I'll use something like stripe to handle 90% of that
00:09 < admiralspark> okay
00:09 < admiralspark> so
00:09 < Casteil> my buddy and I have been smoking with pecan or cherry (and/or a mix of some other woods, but primarily those two) for years
00:09 < admiralspark> Stripe is PCI
00:09 < anickname> ok
00:09 < DOMF> Casteil, you have to refill them every half hour or so
00:09 < DOMF> and it's hard to get TBS
00:10 < DOMF> (thin blue smoke)
00:10 < anickname> like the most confidential thing I'll be storing is passwords
00:10 < admiralspark> anickname: I'm gonna make this easy for you, set up OAuth
00:10 < anickname> but I'll BCrypt it
00:10 < anickname> okay
00:10 < Casteil> soaking tends to work pretty well
00:10 < DOMF> my pellet tray will burn TBS for ~12 hours
00:10 < admiralspark> no, man, it sounds like you're interacting with PCI DSS stuff. You will get burned if you don't properly 100% segregate
00:10 < Casteil> though my buddy does now have a 'cold smoker' attachment
00:10 < DOMF> oh yeah it can be used for that too
00:10 < DOMF> and it's only like $20
00:10 < admiralspark> anickname: just be careful and look over the "PCI-DSS scoping guidelines"
00:11 < admiralspark> Casteil: I use wood chips fwiw ;)
00:11 < anickname> like should I have stripe do all the password management stuff?
00:11 < anickname> I'm not storing any credit cards or anything
00:11 < anickname> stripe does that
00:11 < anickname> but should stripe manage passwords too?
00:12 < Casteil> I don't really plan on smoking anything huge for >4 hours
00:12 < admiralspark> anickname: having worked with several of these "stripe/paypal/braintree does all my CC, I don't touch it!" software setups, I can assure you that you very liekly do handle CC info in a way you hadn't considered...
00:13 < admiralspark> you should consult with someone who can audit your code
00:13 < Casteil> stripe has good tokenization
00:13 < admiralspark> anickname: if stripe supports oauth you could integrate access to your service through their auth mechanisms
00:13 < admiralspark> okay good, then I'd look at doing that
00:13 < anickname> yeah
00:13 < admiralspark> and remove yourself from them as much as possible
00:14 < anickname> stripe is completely tokenized
00:14 < anickname> what I want to stop is unauthorized REST requests
00:15 < anickname> do I do that with web api keys and stuff like that
00:15 < admiralspark> that is one way, yes
00:15 < anickname> how do I go about doing that
00:15 < admiralspark> what framework are you using to build the api?
00:15 < admiralspark> django?
00:15 < anickname> spring
00:16 < admiralspark> anickname: https://dzone.com/articles/secure-spring-rest-with-spring-security-and-oauth2
00:16 < admiralspark> anickname: https://github.com/royclarkson/spring-rest-service-oauth
00:17 < admiralspark> anickname: https://spring.io/guides/tutorials/spring-boot-oauth2/
00:17 < admiralspark> that should get you going
00:17 < anickname> does OAuth do all of the web api key?
00:17 < anickname> like I want to make it so that you don't have to necessarily be a user
00:17 < admiralspark> oauth is a standard that authentication mechanisms can use
00:17 < anickname> but you can only do REST requests from within the desktop client app
00:18 < admiralspark> so Spring Security is your OAuth provider
00:18 < admiralspark> uhh
00:18 < admiralspark> you want to force people to use an app and dont care of unauthorized users use it?
00:18 < admiralspark> why not have it tied to usernames?
00:18 < admiralspark> slash user profiles
00:19 < anickname> I mean I don't want to require everyone to sign in
00:19 < user-and-abuser> emails
00:19 < anickname> I just want to prevent tampering
00:19 < anickname> like the client will generate its own data programmatically
00:19 < anickname> I don't want people going in and modifying the data manually
00:20 < admiralspark> so you have to allow them some write access for some reason?
00:20 < admiralspark> or should they have no write access?
00:20 < anickname> I need the client to have write access
00:21 < anickname> and not the unauthenticated user
00:21 < admiralspark> so this software will post some stuff to your api
00:21 < anickname> if that makes sense
00:21 < anickname> yes
00:21 < admiralspark> and you just don't want someone using a bot to mod the data
00:21 < admiralspark> I'd use oauth and some sort of encryption of the stream
00:21 < admiralspark> ssl
00:21 < anickname> yes
00:21 < anickname> that's exactly right
00:21 < admiralspark> wurd
00:22 < anickname> how would I SSL the stream?
00:22 < admiralspark> design your rest api to use https :P
00:22 < anickname> do I just AES the data and use HTTPS?
00:22 < anickname> ok
00:22 < admiralspark> for real though I don't know, totally depends on this Spring thing you're using
00:22 < admiralspark> that'd be a google question tbh
00:23 < anickname> alright
00:23 < anickname> thank you very much :)
00:24 < admiralspark> gl brah
00:44 < TheTinker86> why does it keep putting me in quaranteen?
00:44 < xamithan> register your nic
00:45 < TheTinker86> ive been regitered and in here for a while now. lately, last few weeks, it throws me into ##reddit-sysadmin-quarantine
00:49 < TheTinker86> anyone know?
00:51 < m4221> How often has work called when you were on vacation?
00:51 < xamithan> Are you sure you aren't just looking at thing that shows you where you go when unregistered?
00:51 < rhqq> i havent had vacation for 5 years
00:51 < m4221> rhqq: the rocket launch was epic
00:52 < xamithan> It shows as +Ccnrtf
01:27 < mal_will> Legit, idk why anyone uses rackspace. I get told they're pushing the CredSSP patch. they confirm which servers it's getting pushed to, and the schedule. I wait a week after that date to push this to my IT department. Whaddya know, half my damn servers weren't patched.
01:27 < mal_will> so now, I get to sit here waiting on a ticket, looking at all the tickets that are like "no worries, fam, we got you, we don't suck"
01:28 < Alternity> managed dedicated hosting feels like an artifact of another time
01:28 < Alternity> doesn't seem to have a market anymore
01:28 < Alternity> either your skilled enough to roll your own, or you go with a cloud service
01:29 < mal_will> I hate it. I found out a week ago that only sometimes will they put their AV on a machine.
01:29 < mal_will> I inherited this and management is too scared to do either Alternity
01:29 < Alternity> uh... do you want AV on your servers?
01:29 < enix> That's a pretty shitty service provider tbh
01:29 < Alternity> mal_will: i figured, sorry mate
01:30 < mal_will> I mean, some definitely require some sort of av, yeah
01:30 < enix> All new services generated for our business went through a build team then a QA team, then double checked by the account manager
01:30 < Alternity> i suppose depending on purpose
01:30 < Alternity> our file server has AV on it
01:30 < mal_will> I'm setting up solarwinds, thinking, oh yeah, open port 2055. doot over to try that and, wtf
01:30 < enix> Part of our build process was an admin account for our business, AV, and enabling SNMP for out network
01:30 < enix> All clients received 24/7 monitoring with 5 minute SLAs
01:31 < Alternity> what kind of av and settings?
01:31 < Alternity> realtime scan or or a scheduled?
01:31 < enix> None of this "sometimes you have it sometimes you dont" bullshit. Everyone had the AV, everyone had the analytics, everyone the monitoring and we had access to everything
01:31 < Alternity> i'd be pretty scared to run av on a prod server
01:31 < enix> Alternity: it was a while ago so I dont remember
01:31 < enix> But I believe it was real time. It reported back to a central server and we managed it from there
01:31 < mal_will> I think it's worth refining your definitions for each server type
01:32 < enix> So from what I remember, we didn't actively block/remove stuff from clients systems, but we fixed issues within five minutes
01:32 < mal_will> Well I guess I'll fuck off on home then since I can't access my shit
01:32 < enix> So if we got an alert from their server about some virus being detected, we'd contact the client instantly, report our finding, advise and collaborate.
01:32 < mal_will> gdi
01:32 < enix> mal_will: bl2u
01:33 < mal_will> I has it already
01:33 < enix> tbh hootsuite is fucking ridiculously expensive
01:34 < enix> $25/month for a dashboard to my social media far out
01:34 < enix> * Prices displayed in AUD, based on annual billing, but do not include applicable taxes.
01:34 < enix> Fucking hell
01:34 < mal_will> AUD, that's yr problem
01:35 < enix> Whats the cost for your region
01:35 < mal_will> convert to a different currency, watch the price drop!
01:35 < enix> Man all aussies want is a fair go at things. We get held back so badly
01:35 < mal_will> 19 per month, 1 user
01:35 < mal_will> USD
01:35 < enix> honestly still ridiculous
01:36 < enix> $10/month for 1 user 10 accounts is reasonable
01:37 < enix> today i discovered sync-video.com
01:37 < enix> I dont know how to feel
01:37 < Hunterkll> enix, hootsuite isn't meant to be used for your personal account management
01:37 < Hunterkll> i use it for some things
01:38 < rhqq> enix: discovered what
01:38 < Hunterkll> it was invaluble the few times I needed that level of management and cross referencing
01:38 < rhqq> oh
01:38 < rhqq> nice site actually, only if it supported other stuff
01:38 < enix> Hunterkll: it's not personal account management, but yeah it's kinda all personal though
01:38 < Hunterkll> i mean there's the free tier
01:38 < enix> Not for me?
01:38 < Hunterkll> which sufficed for me for what i had to do last time around
01:39 < Hunterkll> enix, https://hootsuite.com/create-free-account
01:39 < Hunterkll> 3 accounts, 30 scheduled messages, 1 user
01:39 < enix> I hm
01:39 < Hunterkll> https://hootsuite.com/plans
01:39 < Hunterkll> it's hidden at the bottom there
01:39 < Hunterkll> between the paid plans and the 'trusted by X companies'
01:39 < Hunterkll> type deal
01:40 < Hunterkll> single line
01:40 < Hunterkll> lol
01:40 < enix> smart placement lol
01:40 < Hunterkll> but ya i've been using it for years
01:40 < Hunterkll> great for protest management
01:40 < enix> I have two pages I'm running, but NEED instagram scheduling
01:40 < Hunterkll> usually only need it for a month or two at a higher tier for ramp up and on-site management
01:40 < Hunterkll> ya, well, 1 a day
01:40 < Hunterkll> lol
01:40 < Hunterkll> 30 days
01:40 < Hunterkll> maybe you iggnore weekends or something
01:40 < enix> Maybe
01:41 < enix> Fucking hell I need like... a week at home with some motivation in me
01:41 < enix> and about 10g
01:43 <+TuxedoJack> 10g of what?
01:43 < netritious> $$$ i bet
01:43 < enix> dollary doos
01:43 < rhqq> 10g of weed
01:44 < Hunterkll> 10g of cocke would be nice
01:44 < Hunterkll> ... coke
01:44 < Hunterkll> .... cocke?
01:44 < Hunterkll> wtf is that
01:44 < rhqq> enix: you want cock
01:44 <+TuxedoJack> Something that needs to be disemvoweled, apparently
01:45 < Hunterkll> oh enix:
01:45 < Hunterkll> Will I be notified before my free trial ends?
01:45 < Hunterkll> Yes, you'll receive an email notification to warn you. You can also downgrade or cancel any time during your free trial to avoid any charges.
01:45 < Hunterkll> so ya
01:45 < Hunterkll> OH
01:45 < Hunterkll> ENIX
01:45 < Hunterkll> it's not 30 messages scheduled a month
01:45 < Hunterkll> it's 30 queued period
01:45 < Hunterkll> so once one posts, you can schedule anohter, of to 30 queued at a time
01:45 < Hunterkll> Our Free plan lets you schedule up to 30 messages at any given time. Once you reach the limit of 30 messages, you won’t be able to schedule another message until one of your scheduled messages is published (or deleted). For unlimited scheduled messages, give our professional plan a try.
01:45 < Hunterkll> so 30 an hour if you wanted to sit there clicking all day
01:46 < misspwn_> hi folks
01:46 < Hunterkll> YO WHAT UP YOUTUBE ITS YOUR BRO VOLDEMORT AT DUMBLEDOORES GRAVE TIME FOR ANOTHER UNBOXING VIDEO
01:46 < mal_will> Hiya
01:47 < misspwn_> someone tell me there is a less painful but also free way to resolve password protected documents in excel if the person doesn't recall setting up a password or even know it
01:47 < mal_will> Hi you beautiful babes, sisters, hey what's up you guys it's meeeeeee
01:47 < misspwn_> i haven't had much luck
01:47 < mal_will> I have had luck uploading things to Google drive
01:47 < enix> Fucking hell
01:47 < misspwn_> well they aren't able to modify it
01:47 < mal_will> Sometimes it breaks the encryption
01:47 < Hunterkll> "We have none other than the wand of the deathly hallows, folks! And what's this? A burning wiz- wait, give me a second..."
01:47 < Hunterkll> Fire Spell
01:47 < Hunterkll> "WHAAAAT?! A BURNING WIZARD?! WHAT A FIND! THIS HAS BEEN QUITE THE UNBOXING!"
01:48 < Casteil> I'll use google drive if I need to share a sizeable file with a friend
01:48 < enix> misspwn_: someone on here has a powershell script in their github
01:48 < enix> misspwn_: the fun part is for you to find out who, because I do NOT remember
01:48 < misspwn_> i read that if you rename it to .zip and open it up to remove the password protected thing it works if you rename it back but not for office 2012
01:48 < misspwn_> 2013*
01:48 < enix> CUNT KNUCKLES
01:48 < enix> WHO HAS THE POWERSHELL SCRIPTY THINGS I MADE FUN OF
01:48 < Hunterkll> no one
01:48 < Hunterkll> we hid them
01:48 < Hunterkll> no more for you
01:49 < enix> Good.
01:49 < misspwn_> Hunterkll, that's not nice :(
01:49 < xamithan> /r/usefulscripts does
01:49 < misspwn_> i gota log on to his computer tomorrow and not look like a dumbass. although he's the one with the problem not me
01:49 < Hunterkll> misspwn_, office added actual encryption at some point
01:49 < misspwn_> i feel like you have to actively go in to set that encryption or am i wrong?
01:50 < Hunterkll> wronk
01:50 < misspwn_> but wouldn't it prompt to create a password?
01:50 < enix> misspwn_: I've gone back to march and I can't see it
01:50 < Hunterkll> well you have to password the doc
01:50 < Hunterkll> lol
01:50 < misspwn_> enix, dang
01:50 < Hunterkll> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_password_protection
01:50 < Hunterkll> ^^^
01:51 < Hunterkll> As of Office 2007, this uses strong encryption; earlier versions used weaker systems and are not considered secure.
01:51 < misspwn_> Hunterkll, that's what i'm sayin. he said the guy he got it from doesn't recall setting a password for it
01:51 < Hunterkll> well if its fukkin askin for one...
01:51 < misspwn_> hah
01:51 < misspwn_> so basically my options are to just tell him to recreate the file
01:52 < Hunterkll> brute force
01:52 < Hunterkll> The efficiency of attacks can be considerably enhanced if one of the following means is applied: multiple CPUs (distributed attack), GPGPU[6] (applicable only to Microsoft Office 2007–2010 documents) and cloud computing. Due to weak passwords, at the moment, cloud computing facilities are capable of unlocking as many as ca. 80% of the files saved in the Office 2007–2010 format.[citation needed] Passwords
01:52 < Hunterkll>  of sufficient length and complexity typically cannot be brute-forced.
01:52 < Hunterkll> Office 2013 introduces SHA-512 hashes in the encryption algorithm, making brute-force and rainbow table attacks slower.
01:52 < misspwn_> right it's office 2013 so that implies that it's pretty impossible
01:53 < Hunterkll> UNLESS he can VIEW the dcoument but not edit
01:53 < Hunterkll> that is not encrypted
01:53 < misspwn_> hmm
01:53 < misspwn_> yeah i was able to view the document, just not edit
01:54 < L3gacy> Good bacon unto all and unto all some good bacon!  Unless it's 7aram...
01:54 < Hunterkll> misspwn_, oh, then just grab 7zip....
01:54 < Hunterkll> http://www.euclidnet.com/how-to-remove-password-editing-restrictions-on-ms-word-and-excel-files/
01:58 < misspwn_> i looked at something similar that involved zipping and then opening
01:58 < misspwn_> i'll try that tomorrow and it if it doesn't work i'll tell him how about next time don't password protect
01:58 < misspwn_> he'll tell me he didn't
02:00 < misspwn_> that article was written much better than the one i had found earlier
02:00 < misspwn_> thanks!
02:02 < mal_will> I mean you shouldn't need to open a file in order to upload to Google drive
02:02 < mal_will> Or modify rights
02:10 < enix> Imagine like a little mini automatic carwash
02:10 < enix> except for your penis
02:10 < enix> im full of great ideas. brb
02:13 < misspwn_> mal_will, it doesn't need to be uploaded to google drive that was someone else
02:14 < m4221> Anyone around?
02:14 < misspwn_> guess i cant cook dinner since the cat is on me
02:15 < rpifan> hello admin
02:15 < rpifan> i wonder if the ppl of irc
02:15 < rpifan> really are some of the IT elite
02:15 < rpifan> cause most of the ppl ive meet in real life
02:15 < misspwn_> nah mostly impasta
02:15 < rpifan> outside of thigns like HOPE
02:15 < rpifan> are idiots
02:16 < misspwn_> we just google it all when you talk
02:16 < rpifan> idk
02:16 < rpifan> i think my coworkers are smart but limited
02:16 < rpifan> like they never seem to ask why
02:16 < rpifan> something is
02:16 < rpifan> or how can it be improved
02:16 < rpifan> so that when i start to show all the issues to the senior guys
02:16 < misspwn_> we can't all be like you
02:17 < rpifan> its the first time there hearing bout it
02:17 < misspwn_> you're making them look bad and they feel threatened
02:17 < rpifan> and im like but u told me to see this all the time fellow coworkers
02:17 < rpifan> probably true
02:17 < misspwn_> it's ok, newbies always do that
02:17 < rpifan> my boss comes to my for advice about how we shold handle things lol
02:17 < misspwn_> you'll burn out like the rest
02:17 < rpifan> i wont
02:17 < rpifan> cause im leaving in two months lol
02:17 < rpifan> im busting my ass
02:17 < misspwn_> no one likes a goody tooshoes or whatever its called
02:17 < rpifan> just to leave it all
02:18 < rpifan> well the only reason im doing it
02:18 < rpifan> is cause im so fucken bored and frustrated
02:18 < rpifan> i give zero fucks about anything else
02:18 < rpifan> but i cant do some of the scripting work i want if our tables are so mangled
02:18 < rpifan> and im using this job to pratice my python for the next job
02:21 < rpifan> misspwn_, tell me about ur work
02:22 < misspwn_> i closed 17 tickets today like a monster and have been working through lunch and not eating
02:22 < rpifan> nice
02:22 < rpifan> congrats
02:22 < rpifan> what ticketing do yall use
02:22 < misspwn_> uhhh
02:22 < misspwn_> connect wise
02:23 < rpifan> umm
02:23 < rpifan> no idea
02:23 < rpifan> we got SF and jira
02:23 < rpifan> but were told
02:23 < misspwn_> it's some CRM
02:23 < rpifan> were gonna have to be extra careful
02:23 < rpifan> with SF now
02:23 < rpifan> with gdpr
02:23 < misspwn_> sales force?
02:23 < rpifan> yea
02:23 < misspwn_> i hated having to support that shit
02:24 < misspwn_> i don't know why your stuff isn't syncing , carol
02:24 < rpifan> no big issues
02:24 < rpifan> except
02:24 < misspwn_> maybe you should stop using IE
02:24 < rpifan> its a lot of clicks
02:24 < rpifan> it takes so many clicks to do anything
02:25 < misspwn_> yeah well i never used SF as a ticketing system it was just used a little differently i used service now and remedy though for actual ticketing systems
02:25 < rpifan> yea i hear things have issues syncing
02:25 < rpifan> and i should know
02:25 < rpifan> but idk what that really means
02:25 < rpifan> in SF
02:25 < misspwn_> usually salesforce to outlook issue is the syncing
02:25 < misspwn_> there is some stupid plugin
02:26 < rpifan> we use gmail
02:26 < rpifan> actually we cant get jira to sync with SF
02:26 < mal_will> No, to Break the password misspwn_
02:26 < mal_will> It's worked for me
02:26 < misspwn_> oh well i'll try the 7zip thing first
02:27 < mal_will> 7zip worked for me a few times, I think
02:29 < mal_will> I don't miss working in legal IT
02:29 < rpifan> so what kinds of tickets do u get misspwn_
02:30 < enix> sales force is aids
02:30 < enix> fuck that
02:30 < rpifan> i have hiv
02:30 < rpifan> but whats so bad about sf
02:30 < rpifan> its ok
02:31 < enix> nah it's horrible
02:31 < enix> It's good in the sense that you can really do everything with it, but I just hated having to manage it
02:33 <+TuxedoJack> Salesforce isn't AIDS / HIV - those can at least be kept in check by HAART. No, Salesforce is worse. Salesforce is the software equivalent of harlequin icthyosis.
02:36 < mal_will> I don't mind Salesforce for ticketing
02:36 < mal_will> What was yours like to warrant that description TuxedoJack
02:38 < misspwn_> rpifan, well lately the tickets i've been grabbing have been fixing all the shit windows updates have broken. since we are an MSP they are still working on ways to manage that better. currently it's windows uninstalling network drivers, rendering office 2013 "inactive", exchange migrations, creating accounts for various platforms, supporting various platforms
02:38 < misspwn_> i also support the linux servers since no one wants to touch it
02:39 < misspwn_> we're so backlogged right now that they are offering overtime and to get our counts down which is why i'm just working through lunches to try to stay afloat
02:43 < rpifan> lol wow
02:43 < rpifan> yay linux
02:43 < rpifan> i wish i did that
02:43 < rpifan> can yall hire me
02:43 < rpifan> as an extenral
02:44 < rpifan> 1099
02:44 < misspwn_> not if you're going to dip out haha
02:44 < rpifan> if i can do remote work
02:44 < rpifan> i wont
02:44 < misspwn_> my boss gave me a phone to use at home
02:44 < rpifan> can i send u a resume that u might send there way
02:46 < misspwn_> i don't think they are going to hire anyone fully remote right now.
02:46 < misspwn_> they are trying to get us to be able to work from home more
02:46 < rpifan> i can make it happen
02:46 < misspwn_> baby steps with that
02:46 < rpifan> where r yalls linux servers hosted
02:46 < misspwn_> in a data center
02:47 < rpifan> so i can manage those
02:47 < rpifan> ill be a remote consultant
02:47 < rpifan> for making remote work happen
02:53 < mal_will> I have a remote consultant working in Brazil, and man howdy it sucks
02:54 < gnupluslinux> Have you asked him to gibe u moniez or u report?
02:55 < mal_will> Report him for being a Brazilian?
02:56 < mal_will> I think they take kindly to Brazilians in Brazil
02:59 < gnupluslinux> Report him for not gibing j00 m0n13z
02:59 < mal_will> Lol, the perfect plan!
02:59 < misspwn_> lel
03:00 < mal_will> I used to play a game called conquer
03:00 < mal_will> The Brazilians ran shit
03:00 < mal_will> They'd pk you till you paid them
03:01 < gnupluslinux> Exactly
03:01 < gnupluslinux> Br? Br? Br? Br? Br? Br?
03:01 < mal_will> It was p lame. I'd take a report over a pk
03:01 < mal_will> Jajajajajajaja
03:13 < enix> wow can't believe that worked
03:14 < enix> ftps connection via ssh port forward
03:14 < gnupluslinux> You can do anything if you believe and proxy it through nginx
03:15 < McDonaldsWiFi> gnupluslinux: amen
03:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> through the power of encryption all things are possible
03:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> Systems Chapter 7, verse 10
03:17 < enix> so I have 197GB and three weeks
03:17 < enix> Wonder if I can pull this down.
03:17 < gnupluslinux> And thus did Stallman unleash his fury upon proprietary systems
03:17 < enix> Nah 9GB a day ontop of regular useage might be sus coming from this server
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> gnupluslinux: and Stallman said "Let my software be free!"
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> enix: whats your bandwidth?
03:18 < enix> McDonaldsWiFi: it can easily do 9GB / day
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> that's it..?
03:18 < enix> speeds are at 200Mbps
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> You on T1? xD
03:18 < enix> down that is
03:19 < enix> Companies internet, some expensive ass shit that's flakey but fast
03:19 < enix> I'm not involved because I"m a lowly level 1 client facing support engineer. I leave here in three weeks and I'm thinking of pulling all this music on my seedbox down
03:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> 200Mbps is 25 Megabytes per second
03:20 < enix> so I could pull all my music in 2 hours
03:20 < enix> then get dragged before the general manager again for my internet usage
03:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> 40 seconds = 1 GB
03:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> OH internet usage
03:20 < enix> I pulled 100GB/day for a week by accident once
03:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> I see, I tought your math was way off xD
03:20 < enix> Protip; dont download the entire bitcoin blockchain
03:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
03:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> took me like 2 days to download the Monero one on a 10/10
03:21 < enix> not bad but still eh
03:21 < enix> still, would rather 10/10 than 60/2
03:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> at&t fiber is a damn racket
03:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> 10/10 is like 400+ a month for business
03:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> all for that 99.9% uptime
03:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh..
03:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> I totally didn't download that at work.....
03:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
03:22 < enix> Lol, what else is works internet for :P
03:23 < enix> I wonder if I compress this with gzip, how big it will be
03:23 < anickname> admiralspark I think I found something
03:24 < anickname> I don't really need the OAuth because I'm not connecting to a service like Google or anything
03:24 < enix> This is going to take a very long time...
03:24 < anickname> https://medium.com/@nydiarra/secure-a-spring-boot-rest-api-with-json-web-token-reference-to-angular-integration-e57a25806c50
03:24 < anickname> but does this look good?
03:24 < enix> tar c | gzip -9
03:24 < enix> jesus fuck that title has way too many buzzwords
03:25 < rhqq> agree
03:25 < rhqq> they're missing cloud and elastic
03:25 < anickname> what's that?
03:26 < anickname> I'm trying to make a REST API that relies on an api key (that stops unauthorized requests from end users) and also requires usernames / passwords
03:26 < anickname> the article seems to get the job done
03:26 < enix> in regex how do you match a pattern more than n number of times
03:26 < enix> [0-9]{3+}?
03:27 < enix> dw just used cut
03:28 < rhqq> {3,}
03:28 < rhqq> http://rubular.com/ use this next time
03:35 < enix>  thanks
03:35 < enix> So adding all these files to a compressed archive, up to 10GB.. let's see how high this gets
03:37 < Casteil> seething rage
03:37 < Casteil> just got lit up by a location GM acting like a god damn dickhead
03:37 < McDonaldsWiFi> location GM?
03:38 < Casteil> yeah; general manager of one of the locations we own
03:38 < Casteil> businesses
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> Ohhh
03:38 < enix> Delete his emails
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> Why was he made lol
03:38 < Casteil> he's one of those "my needs are more important than everyone elses" types
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> mad*
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> Oh
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> he's a princess
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> we have a few of those
03:38 < enix> delete his emails...
03:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> poop on his copier and shut up
03:38 < enix> Not all of them, just a select few.
03:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> then make copies of it
03:39 < Casteil> I told him we have high priority commitments and if he submits the request we'll address it after those commitments are settled
03:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> shut it*
03:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> Casteil: he wanted you to skip tickets and help him huh
03:39 < Casteil> tonight he's like "I think you would be wise to bump this up on the priorities. I'm blown away this can't already be done"
03:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> LL
03:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
03:39 < rpifan> i also got a shoutout in the company newsletter
03:39 < rpifan> that i didnt even read
03:39 < rpifan> but someone said ur in the thing
03:39 < rpifan> and im like wtf
03:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> Casteil: I bet if you did it this once, he would come at you worse and worse
03:40 < Casteil> Oh - Ok, I'm fucking sorry we're not psychic and can't anticipate and deliver solutions for things that were never requested
03:40 < Casteil> my response was uh
03:40 < Casteil> professional but resolute :D
03:40 < enix> "Hi <asshat>, do you have a ticket number for your request? I can look up the worklog on it and let you know how it's tracking"
03:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> I always talk really nice to those people, tell them I'm sorry but there are other people in the queue, and ask them to please submit a ticket
03:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> probably the best thing to do anyways, especially since that really makes them angry
03:41 < Casteil> I understand - and believe me I do see the value in this. Please understand in return that this software is being developed around evolving requirements as the business grows. We cannot anticipate all needs before they are known or requested. Please submit a ticket for this report and we will do our best to tackle it once our priority commitments are settled"
03:43 < Casteil> I'm behind the keyboard like.. https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/sei_8722052.jpg?w=748&h=420&crop=1
03:43 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
03:44 < McDonaldsWiFi> Down + Down-Right + Right + Punch -> HADOUKEN
03:44 < Casteil> this is a completely new need for granular information for a commission type that was never part of our companies before we acquired this new business
03:44 < nohusuro> We create tickets on behalf of the users if they e-mail us, but out incoming requests are low.
03:44 < nohusuro> our*
03:45 < Casteil> I'm not entirely sure I have that access to create on behalf
03:45 < nohusuro> which ticketing system are you using?
03:46 < Casteil> frankly, I don't pay a lot of attention to the normal IT request system
03:46 < Casteil> I track all my shit in Jira
03:47 < Casteil> when something's requested via the IT request system; I gather whatever information I need then create a Jira issue (I work in software development)
03:48 < Casteil> (it's just some wordpress plugin)
04:04 < nohusuro> Casteil: I do something similar, I track all my user support requests in gitlab issues under a sysadmin/helpdesk project
04:04 < m4221> Shit, I am still on island time
04:05 < precise> m4221: donger por favor
04:10 < precise> fuckin rekt
04:10 < m4221> Rekt
04:24 < Jay-Ros> what up
04:27 < xamithan> precise's donger
04:30 < precise> ayyyy
04:31 < Jay-Ros> nice
04:32 < Jay-Ros> I just said to my junior admin guy "I'm creating a csv file with powershell"
04:33 < Jay-Ros> "once I get the CSV created, then I can pump it into mailbot and send myself an email. Once that's done, I can scan a server for necessary updates and pump that into the csv. Once that's done I can automatically set up the scheduled windows updates on the server, then I can pump that into an active directory group which applies the schedule by group policy
04:33 < Jay-Ros> ...but first I need to get the CSV created"
04:35 < xe0n> lol pump
04:35 < Jay-Ros> giggedy
04:35 < nohusuro> so much pumping
04:36 < Jay-Ros> It's like pump city up in this business
04:36 < xe0n> our helpdesk isn't very helpful atm lol
04:36 < xe0n> nicknam helpless desk, phone monkies...
04:36 < rpifan> use python
04:36 < rpifan> thats what ido
04:37 < Jay-Ros> python pumping sounds even better
04:37 < Jay-Ros> heavy task managemen
04:37 < rpifan> yes
04:38 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - have you considered setting something up where the assigned user's computer automatically reboots if your request ticket isn't acknowledged in a reasonable time?
04:38 < xe0n> i'll use my python to pump her
04:40 < Jay-Ros> do her paramaters fit underneath the scope of pump.py?
04:43 < enix> 46GB
04:43 < enix> I dont think it's going to compress it much
04:44 < enix> I'm about 60% of the way down the folder structure, but I think we're starting to get into some of the bigger folders
04:48  * precise turns cryptic1's power supply on
04:48 <@cryptic1> i am here idling
04:48 < precise> cryptic1.py --entertain
04:49  * cryptic1 bans precise 
04:49 <@cryptic1> ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
04:49 < precise> I AM ENTERTAINED
04:50 < precise> rpifan: get out.
04:50 < rpifan> battery ran low
04:50 < rpifan> i have the stupid icon
04:50 < rpifan> but no percent sign
04:51 < precise> rpifan: What IRC client you use?
04:51 < precise> What OS?
04:51 < rpifan> debian
04:53 < precise> Hexxxxxxxchat eh?
04:53 < precise> rpifan: Can't you change the HUD battery icon?
04:56 < rpifan> not sure
05:00 < precise> rpifan: boop
05:00 < precise> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface show-battery-percentage true
05:00 < precise> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/356449/gnome-shell-show-battery-percentage?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=google_rich_qa&utm_campaign=google_rich_qa
05:00 < precise> I was curious myself
05:01 < aName> My grandmother is the hospital with respiratory acidosis and my boss gave me a chest cold. FML.
05:01 < rpifan> im sorru
05:01 < aName> I just put two and two together
05:01 < aName> Ugh.
05:02 < aName> I guess I could send a kindle over and do skype or something =/
05:02 < rpifan> it dont work
05:03 < precise> rpifan: What debian version? What desktop environment?
05:04 < Alternity> what is going to be better long term as a career path, infosec vs devops?
05:04 < precise> infosecdevops
05:04 < rpifan> welldpeneds on what u wanna do
05:04 < rpifan> gnome
05:04 < precise> Stetch or Jessie?
05:04 < Alternity> devops is certainly hotter, but feels like infosec is better longterm
05:04 < precise> *Stretch
05:05 < Alternity> less ageism in infosec perhaps?
05:05 < precise> rpifan: Gnome3?
05:05 < Alternity> also something could replace devops eventually, doesn't feed like infosec will be going anywhere
05:05 < precise> rpifan: Does it give an error?
05:06 < Church-> Devops as nebulously defined as it is feels like the next evolution in the sysadmin career.
05:06 < Alternity> i would agree Church-, i dont know if it feels like the last evolution either though
05:07 < Alternity> might be no-ops soon enough
05:07 < Church-> Still being nebulously defined it technically encompasses several career paths.
05:07 < Alternity> upload your app to elastic beanstalk
05:07 < rpifan> yea
05:07 < Alternity> dont even need sysadmins anymore
05:07 < rpifan> (process:21554): dconf-WARNING **: 23:01:58.725: failed to commit changes to dconf: Error spawning command line “dbus-launch --autolaunch=df76fc45bc594c71b48c4eb87da1774e --binary-syntax --close-stderr”: Child process exited with code 1
05:07 < rpifan> i know it sucks
05:07 < rpifan> cause i love sysadmin
05:07 < Alternity> ya :(
05:08 < Alternity> i'm with ya bro
05:08 < Alternity> automation is nice tho
05:08 < precise> rpifan: Run it as root?
05:08 < rpifan> ya
05:08 < precise> rpifan: Did you try as standard user?
05:08 < precise> rpifan: Also, did you copy pasta the command in the article exactly?
05:08 < Alternity> we are very far from the 90s when you could make 80k imaging workstations with windows
05:09 < precise> Alternity: SCCM admins make good money
05:09 < Alternity> could be worse, you could be a sharepoint admin
05:09 < precise> I'd rather administer a fleet of old Macs
05:09 < Alternity> my work talked about using sharepoint
05:10 < Alternity> i was suddenly very motivated to get them up and running with confluence
05:10 < Jay-Ros> https://pastebin.com/m8Cjv4ZE - Powershell guys, why am I getting "Server1 NO 4 1 ,,,," as a result on this?
05:10 < rpifan> yes
05:10 < enix> LOL good idea Alternity
05:10 < enix> Sharepoints got some good ideas but falls in it's face with it's execution
05:10 < precise> rpifan: Works on my end, hrm
05:11 < precise> rpifan: I'd google that error and see what's up, could be a symptom of a larger problem.
05:11 < Alternity> your job title being 'sccm admin' seems pretty career limiting though
05:11 < Alternity> you can basically only work for larger companies (or non-profits/k12 lul)
05:11 < Alternity> and they are probably going to try and kill sccm off, replace it with azure automation
05:12 < precise> fuckin azure
05:12 < Alternity> we're doing a lot of work in azure now
05:12 < Alternity> it's not bad, just not as good as aws
05:12 < Alternity> and they keep changing features... so their documentation is always out of date
05:13 < precise> Alternity: I assume POSH all the things?
05:13 < precise> Never done work in Azure
05:13 < precise> EOL yes tho
05:13 < Alternity> posh, chef, ruby, python
05:13 < rpifan> hm
05:13 < rpifan> yea
05:13 < rpifan> i got more errors
05:13 < precise> Your a 100% Windows environment Alternity?
05:13 < Alternity> they have pretty decent support for scripting
05:14 < Alternity> 95%
05:14 < Alternity> maybe 10 linux vm's for services
05:14 < misspwn_> i wana make 50k+ doing nothing too
05:14 < Alternity> our product is all Microsoft though :/
05:14 < precise> misspwn_: Have you looked into state level politics?
05:14 < misspwn_> hah
05:14 < misspwn_> well we have eric grietens who is a big piece of shit
05:14 < Alternity> sell a kidney
05:15 < misspwn_> so i'd be a breath of fresh air
05:15 < precise> I think a clam would be a breathe of fresh air
05:15 < misspwn_> hey maybe if i work there another year i'll get 45k
05:16 < misspwn_> everywhere i read said to not stay at an msp for more than 1-2 years but that seems to be all jobs
05:16 < precise> misspwn_: MSP = kill
05:16 < precise> misspwn_: Don't burn out, be careful
05:16 < precise> I'd leave after 2 years
05:17 < precise> I left after 1 because I was burnt at to the point where the rubber was gone and I was riding on worn down rims.
05:17 < enix> msp is alright, just depends who you work for and what you want to do
05:17 < misspwn_> i've been there since feb so as long as my team still isn't shitty
05:17 < misspwn_> gain exp and climb up a little
05:17 < precise> Wow, this commercial
05:18 < misspwn_> seems like most don't stay more than a year
05:18 < precise> Asking for people to apply to be inhome care givers
05:18 < misspwn_> they either quit or get fired
05:18 < precise> $10.25 an hr
05:18 < precise> for inhome care
05:18 < precise> fuckin hell
05:18 < precise> wtf is wrong here
05:18 < precise> misspwn_: Welcome to MSPland
05:18 < misspwn_> i'm a first timer in the MSPland i didn't even know what that meant
05:18 < rpifan> im missing xautorhity
05:18 < enix> Me to
05:19 < enix> cant wait till it makes a come back
05:19 < precise> misspwn_: Seriously, MSP can be OK, but watch yourself. Don't work excessive hours and fuck work when not at work, keep oncall to a minimum. Leave work at work and make sure your employer has your back with clients.
05:19 < precise> Did I mention to forget work when at home?
05:20 < misspwn_> oh yeah my boss has my back on them if they act up. i don't work excessive hours and i leave my work at work
05:20 < precise> I thought I'd be fine, but the burnout sneaks up on ya
05:20 < misspwn_> i can see how you can easily get burned out
05:20 < Alternity> misspwn_: uh wut
05:20 < misspwn_> like right now we are way over our ticket counts than what we normally have and i'm struggling because fucking billable hours just grinds me
05:20 < Alternity> i worked at a MSP for about 8 months before i moved to an internal sysadmin job
05:21 < precise> Alternity: ++
05:21 < Alternity> got some exp and gtfo
05:21 < misspwn_> i was internal IT and landed this
05:21 < precise> misspwn_: In MSPland, everything is a grind.
05:21 < misspwn_> i didn't know what an MSP was
05:21 < Alternity> learned a lot in that period, but i was already rehashing the same crap by month 8
05:21 < misspwn_> i needed a job
05:21 < Alternity> most MSP work will never go more than an inch deep
05:21 < precise> You touch a lot of shit
05:21 < Alternity> misspwn_: it's a great place to start out in, get a ton of xp
05:21 < precise> But never dive deep into it
05:21 < Alternity> just don't stay more than 2 years
05:22 < misspwn_> idk i help with projects and exchange migration and shit so i am touching that but like you said you don't really get to hone in on one specific thing
05:22 < precise> I now work maintenance at a school/church because fuck IT because MSPLand killed me.
05:22 < Alternity> also tracking billable hours... ya fuck msp work
05:22 < Alternity> xD
05:22 < misspwn_> if i can't fix it in 30minutes i'm supposed to escalate it but i rarely do unless it's because of lack of access
05:22 < misspwn_> i don't care if it scews my numbers
05:22 < Alternity> wait you are not in it anymore precise?
05:22 < misspwn_> i always give my manager a heads up if something is taking me long and he says if i'm on track to roll with it
05:22 < precise> Alternity: Nope, I'm out
05:23 < precise> Maybe years down the road
05:23 < Alternity> wow
05:23 < precise> But fuck that shit
05:23 < precise> Fuck users
05:23 < precise> Clients
05:23 < precise> All that shit
05:23 < Alternity> i mean... sys engineers and such rarely deal with users
05:23 < misspwn_> but i went from working for big corp charter to this so it's a nice change
05:23 < precise> I took a 60% paycut simply to be happy
05:23 < Alternity> just gotta get there in the first place
05:23 < Alternity> my only 'users' are my developers
05:24 < misspwn_> and i guess it's kinda nice they can't come to my desk and make me fix something, instead i get to go to them if i cant fix it remote
05:24 < Alternity> my client is keeping our damn product up so we can all get paid
05:24 < precise> Yeah, I got to go onsite and work directly with clients
05:24 < Alternity> misspwn_: well as long as youa re enjoying it and not getting to stressed
05:24 < precise> misspwn_: Just be careful
05:24 < precise> Don't be me
05:25 < misspwn_> that was me at my last job
05:25 < Alternity> msp's also get a bd name because they can be run well or very very poorly
05:25 < misspwn_> i will have to pay attention to the signs extra careful this time
05:25 < Alternity> generaly they tend towards the later
05:25 < misspwn_> right
05:25 < Alternity> a good bigger MSP has sys engineer type positions which would be good
05:25 < Alternity> there are MSP's taht service fortune 500 clients
05:25 < misspwn_> will say though, i don't like the engineer title
05:25 < misspwn_> i feel like it's a lie
05:25 < Alternity> it is
05:25 < misspwn_> i'm not engineering anything
05:25 < Alternity> ur not an engineer
05:26 < Alternity> realy it should be a very sr level title
05:26 < Alternity> but there is no regulating body for it in the usa
05:26 < precise> I engineer IT solutions for clients
05:26 < Alternity> i believe most EU countries its a regulated titled
05:26 < precise> rite?
05:26 < misspwn_> precise, ya right
05:26 < misspwn_> the most engineering too
05:26 < misspwn_> i am proud of u
05:26 < Alternity> anyone who thinks it 'engineering' is installing exchange...
05:27  * precise creates Office365 admin account
05:27 < precise> am engineer
05:27 < precise> tada
05:27 < misspwn_> lel
05:27 < misspwn_> why do they do that?
05:27 < Alternity> also you change jobs aggresively 2-3 years earlier on so you can raise salary
05:27 < misspwn_> i mean if i apply for another job with that as a title they are gona be like "u focking wot m8?"
05:27 < mal_will> Engineer and Analyst are my least favorite IT terms
05:27 < Alternity> your current job is never going to double your salary in a year or two
05:28 < Alternity> misspwn_: nah, they just look at your job responsibilities
05:28 < misspwn_> oh there's no way a job change would double my salary
05:28 < Alternity> anyone who has a clue ignores the titles
05:28 < Alternity> also its pretty common for companies to give young ppl inflated titles and shit pay
05:28 < precise> yup
05:28 < Alternity> because they're gullable enough to think it's a good deal :)
05:28 < Alternity> gotta start somewhere tho, just don't stay there
05:29 < misspwn_> i saw it as a place to gain more experience which it will. a small company where you are more than a blip. sure the pay is lower but i knew i wasn't going to get more than say 43k
05:29 < misspwn_> and honestly that's prety decent for their lower tiers
05:29 < Alternity> depends on area i guess
05:30 < misspwn_> well for the area it's low as it might be in many places
05:30 < rpifan> idk wtf is going on
05:30 < Alternity> misspwn_: think of interviewing as practice
05:30 < misspwn_> Alternity, i didn't take a pay cut with this job, it was actually more than my previous
05:30 < Alternity> the best time to get a new job is when you doni't need one
05:30 < Alternity> also interviewing for a job you don't want is awesome
05:30 < rpifan> keeps kicking me out of X
05:30 < Alternity> great way to practice and not be worried
05:30 < misspwn_> usually is, you also are more relaxed with it
05:31 < Alternity> are you female misspwn_?
05:31 < precise> rpifan: You know how to drop to a tty shell?
05:31 < misspwn_> yeah i had to fight to get where i am
05:31 < Alternity> women statistically unvaleu themselves
05:31 < rpifan> yea
05:31 < rpifan> but i dont see any errors
05:31 < misspwn_> i told them i was making more than i was to get the offer i did
05:31 < misspwn_> it was risky but i took it
05:31 < precise> rpifan: What kicks you out of X?
05:31 < Alternity> thats good, thats pretty standard to do
05:31 < Alternity> we've all done a bit of that :P
05:31 < Alternity> generally avoid giving them a salary
05:32 < Alternity> and if they refuse to take 'negotiable' as an answer
05:32 < Alternity> say you make what you want to make :P
05:32 < misspwn_> that's basically what i did :p
05:32 < misspwn_> because i knew if i mentioned what i made, i would have gotten a lower offer
05:32 < misspwn_> i was fine with 42k
05:32 < Alternity> i think i've put 0.01 on a job app form before because it would only accept numerical input
05:32 < precise> heh
05:33 < Alternity> even if you dont 'need' the money, think about retirement
05:33 < misspwn_> and knowing what i know now, i am starting to guage where i could see myself being and projects seems to come to mind
05:33 < rpifan> im not sure
05:33 < rpifan> but it seems that using the photorec
05:33 < Alternity> in IT our salary cap tends to be <150k generally.  The sooner you hit that salary cap the more money you can save for retirement/vacation/house
05:34 < misspwn_> spose, retirement is important and obviously the closer you are to that goal would be ideal
05:34 < Alternity> if you are crazy motivated i know some guys that got into it and devops specifically, where making six figures with about 2 years xp
05:34 < Alternity> never know when the economy will take a downturn, good to have a higher paying job locked in
05:35 < Alternity> not hard to find IT jobs now, might be very hard in a few years
05:35 < rpifan> i was getting 90k
05:35 < misspwn_> right and with the way things are trending those jobs could fizzle
05:35 < rpifan> at that fake ico
05:35 < misspwn_> not sure how i'd manage making 90k 50 sounds pretty good
05:35 < misspwn_> 60 would be really nice
05:36 < Alternity> try to find salary info for your area
05:36 < Alternity> plenty of sites and DoL info
05:37 < Alternity> and ask for that + 10k
05:37 < misspwn_> 10k being the negotiation?
05:50 < rpifan> 50 is entry level btw
05:54 < rpifan> its what there giving me
05:54 < rpifan> and im the lowest rung
05:54 < rpifan> on the tech team
06:07 <@Nostalg14c> Ayo.
06:07 <@JollyRgrs> Alternity: unless that higher paying job becomes on the chopping block due to hard times
06:08 <@JollyRgrs> Nostalg14c: oy m8
06:08 <@Nostalg14c> Alternity: 150 is definitely not the cap.
06:08 <@Nostalg14c> for "IT"
06:08 <@JollyRgrs> lol
06:09 <@JollyRgrs> prob cap for "sr sysadmin" without putting titles like cloud or arch. in front of it
06:09 <@JollyRgrs> or... if you are in one of those high class cities
06:10 <@Nostalg14c> Ya
06:10 <@JollyRgrs> or if you get lucky to land one of like 100 F100 positions
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> goodnight chur'n
06:12 < Hunterkll> new idea
06:12 < Hunterkll> get a bottle of that liquid ass spray
06:12 < Hunterkll> mix it into the handsoap bags of a restaraunt you don't like
06:12 < Hunterkll> wait until entire place smells like ass and is forced to close
06:17 < rpifan> hi
06:20 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - that's on the same level as prawns in the cistern
06:20 < Jay-Ros> I like it
06:24 <+NinjaStyle> Still no tsarbomba
06:25 < Jay-Ros> Where is he?
06:26 <+NinjaStyle> Gone forever probably
06:27 <+NinjaStyle> People who stood up to harassment in this channel were banned
06:27 < Jay-Ros> I see
06:28 < rpifan> he was here the other day
06:28 <+NinjaStyle> How long ago rpifan ?
06:28 <+NinjaStyle> I've been trying to talk to him
06:29 <+NinjaStyle> Is that shitty bot still in here?
06:29 <+NinjaStyle> `seen tsarbomba
06:29 < Jay-Ros> `seen't tsarbomba
06:29 < Jay-Ros> `seen tsarbomba
06:33 < rpifan> what shitty bot
06:33 < Jay-Ros> bad bot.
06:33 <+NinjaStyle> It's gone
06:33 < Jay-Ros> .yt rick roll
06:33 < Jay-Ros> thank god for that
07:00 < enix> I have no idea in what order this script is running in however file size is now 150GB
07:00 < enix> I never really have much luck with compression unless it's text
07:05 <@Nostalg14c> o_O
07:05 < enix> Nostalg14c: keep that eye hole nice and open for me
07:14 < enix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2WIvJUBbJw
07:14 < Jay-Ros> risky click
07:27 < enix> Well this compression is shit.... I'm up to 170GB already and it's not even finished
07:28 < enix> Originally 197GB
07:30 < nohusuro> enix: which compression are you using?
07:30 < nohusuro> and on what kind of data?
07:30 < enix> gzip -9 on mixed audio files (flac, mp3, etc)
07:31 <@Nostalg14c> wouldn't bother
07:31 <@Nostalg14c> theyre already compressed
07:31 < nohusuro> yeah, they're compressed formats
07:31 < enix> yeah
07:31 < enix> thought making a compressed archive might reduce file size
07:32 < enix> I'm allowed to be hopeful
07:32 < enix> Whens pied piper getting released anyway? Need that shit
07:34 <@Nostalg14c> shiet that reminds me i need to watch the new season.
07:35 < enix> I need to download it all again
07:35 < enix> urgh
07:35 < enix> can't wait until I'm up north in my own place with good internet and a media setup. So many TV shows to watch
07:37 < MadCamel> if you're compressing something that large you probably want to use something like rzip. Standard compression schemes just compress chunk by chunk. So if you have two copies of, say, the hitchikers guide in 2 places with a lot of files in between.. it won't deduplicate that data
07:37 < enix> let me have a look
07:37 < enix> rzip not installed on seedbox :(
07:38 < voidstar> part of the samba project
07:38 < voidstar> interesting
07:50 < nohusuro> enix: how come you are compressing it? moving the data?
07:56 < plop> Morning!
08:00 < Jay-Ros> hi plop
08:00 < plop> hey Jay-Ros, how is it going?
08:00 < Jay-Ros> plop: pretty darn good, thanks for asking
08:01 < plop> :)
08:01 < enix> I dropped 10GB
08:01 < enix> Thats not terrible
08:01 < Jay-Ros> not awful
08:01 < enix> nohusuro: I have a bunch of stuff on a seedbox I need to bring over. Going to do it at work
08:03 <@Nostalg14c> Probably 10GB of corruption.
08:03 <@Nostalg14c> Nomsaiyan.
08:03 < enix> :(
08:06 < plop> does anybody know about this kind of thing? https://wyrestorm.com/networkhd-400-tx video over IP?
08:06 < Hunterkll> its what makes porn work
08:07 < plop> Hunterkll, awesome.
08:07 < Hunterkll> wackawackawacka
08:09 <@Nostalg14c> elk coming out my ears rn, lov elife.
08:10 < Hunterkll> bestiality not allowed
08:10 <@Nostalg14c> says a furry.
08:10 < enix> ..
08:10 < Hunterkll> i'm not a furry
08:11 < DeVito> You're plenty of other things though
08:11 < Hunterkll> absolutely
08:12 < Hunterkll> just not a furry
08:12 < Hunterkll> ya know
08:12 < Hunterkll> i've learned more about furries from ya'll
08:12 < Hunterkll> than anyone i've ever met anywhere else
08:12 < Hunterkll> that's kind of odd, isn't it?
08:12 < Hunterkll> it's almost like there's some experts in here
08:12 < MadCamel> Pass the towel
08:13 < plop> MadCamelToe. that would be a nice nick
08:14 < MadCamel> 'cause I've never heard that one before...
08:14 < plop> i'm glad i'm able to surprise you
08:14 < plop> xkcd good today?
08:14 < MadCamel> 19 years with this nick and it's always something new.
08:37 < Jay-Ros> Everyone cross your fingers for me at the same time please
08:37 < Jay-Ros> I need as many fingers crossed as possible
08:37 < enix> 1990 silverado in australia is 35k
08:37 < enix> fucking hell
08:37 < enix> I am crossing my fingers
08:37 < voidstar> toes too?
08:37 < plop> crossing
08:38 < Jay-Ros> yes please
08:38 < enix> whats happening
08:38 < Jay-Ros> I'm demarking the document to pastebin it
08:38 < enix> ITT enix is confused
08:39 < Jay-Ros> https://pastebin.com/3hcBgS3P
08:39 < Jay-Ros> Auto-schedule windows update with csv file report and error handling
08:40 < Jay-Ros> I'm testing it on my breaker box right now
08:40 < Jay-Ros> hoping it does the updates as necessary!
08:42 <@Nostalg14c> God iGod i hate fucking win10 search start menu so much.
08:44 < plop> classicshell!
08:44 < enix> 100%
08:45 <@Nostalg14c> classicshell is disgusting
08:45 <@Nostalg14c> unfortunately.
08:45 < plop> true. good idea but bad execution
08:45 <@Nostalg14c> & 3rd party apps isnt a fix anyway
08:46 <@Nostalg14c> i switch machines like 30x a day
08:54 < Jay-Ros> Damn - someone wasn't crossing their fingers!
08:55 < Jay-Ros> Installs were successful, but my server didn't request for a reboot
08:55 < enix> That was me
08:55 < enix> I wanted to see if it'd break if i didnt cross my fingers and it did
08:55 < enix> That's good to know.. thank you
09:18 < Jay-Ros> ah, thanks enix; I had one extra pending crossing that wasn't accounted for
09:18 < Jay-Ros> https://imgur.com/a/o0FgWoy
09:18 < Jay-Ros> knowing that made the difference!
09:22 < enix> I swear to god, Windows is made intentionally obtuse
09:35 < Jori> ola, i just got the new win 10 1803 iso, and installed it. Now im trying to remove provisioned apps, same as i did in previous versions. Now i get an error remove-appxprovisionedpackage: non-specified error
09:44 < Jay-Ros> Get-appxprovisionedpackage –online | where-object {$_.packagename –like "*BingFinance*"} | remove-appxprovisionedpackage –online
09:45 < Jay-Ros> How're you running the remove Jori?
09:49 < Jay-Ros> Get-AppxPackage | Select Name, PackageFullName | foreach-object {$confirm = read-host -prompt $_.name; if($confirm -eq "1"){$_ | remove-appxpackage}else{}}
09:50 < Jay-Ros> hmm... that didn't do it
09:51 < Jay-Ros> Get-AppxPackage | Select Name, PackageFullName | foreach-object {$confirm = read-host -prompt $_.name; if($confirm -eq "1"){$_.packagefullname | remove-appxpackage}else{}}
09:51 < Jay-Ros> that does it
09:53 < jumi> morning
09:54 <@Nostalg14c> Ye.. best way is to mount the wim and remove from there.
09:54 < Jori> i did remove-appxprovisionedpackage -online -packagename microsoft.bingweather..blkaf
09:58 < plop> morning!
09:58 < Jori> i did    Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -online | Where-Object {$_.packagename -like "*bingweather*"} | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -online
09:59 < Jori> same non-specified error
10:14 < Hatsjoe> Morning
10:23 < Wannabejrsysadm> sup gents
10:27 < ihre> "x509: certificate signed by unknown authority" that is up
10:27 < ihre> fuck.
10:31 < FenJai> Morning peeps
10:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> Anyway I can browse SAN files withouth an ESX host ?
10:32 < FenJai> Is everyone ready for GDPR ?
10:32 < FenJai> Get that PII isolated
10:33 < ihre> current place doesnt have OLTP, nor any other form of saveable data :3
10:34 < ihre> me gusta
10:34 < ihre> i do wonder about my previous employer :P
10:37 < FenJai> I still need to scrub some system email accounts
10:38 < FenJai> Ofc, this is when the other team has decided now is the best time to do an email migration so emails cant be deleted
10:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> goodmorning
10:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> wonderful day
10:58 < plop> hell yeah
10:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> 2 days untill GDPR
10:59 < Hatsjoe> its gonna be lit af!
10:59  * LegalDrokz|PI checks company website
10:59 < LegalDrokz|PI> still no privacy statement..
10:59 < LegalDrokz|PI> yep, light it up!
11:00 < LegalDrokz|PI> i'll check in later today, first gotta make sure this day is as usefull as possible
11:13 < inviz> make privacy great again
11:15 < ihre> doesnt have that ring to it tho, MPGA
11:27 < plop> YMCA
11:29 < Jori> ok, im using dism to remove provisioned apps, while i still have this install.wim mounted. Is there anything else what should be removed/editted/added?
11:39 <@Nostalg14c> neg
11:41 < plop> Someone dropped in a lunch reservation and now i have a reservation for el celler de can roca end of june...
11:44 < ihre> free lunch is always good ?
11:45 < plop> not free :/
11:45 < ihre> :<
11:46 < plop> yeah... but if i don't go now i don't think i'll go anytime soon
11:50 < plop> how can i check what port is a software is using when i installed it via snap?
11:51 < FenJai_> netstat -an iiirc
11:52 < plop> thanks
11:55 < ihre> -tlpn is more useful imo :p
11:55 < ihre> bit more concise
11:55 < ihre> t implies tcp tho
11:58 < plop> checking
12:02 < plop> ihre, perfect!
12:14 < jumi> fucking oracle
12:14 < jumi> and fucking third party teams
12:15 < ihre> ffs, now im in the same boat Hatsjoe, conf calls with indians which you just cant understand
12:16 < ihre> bad connection, lag, super bad english accent :p
12:28 < ihre> meh, 1 in 10 tries gives me "curl: (6) Could not resolve host: storage.googleapis.com", and then the gitlab pipeline fails, y u do dis :<
12:30 < DeVito> Probably my fault
12:32 < ihre> DeVito: pls dtn then
12:33 < DeVito> Not until 7am
12:47 < PEG> What's the best sorting algoritm for resort a server rack?
12:47 < PEG> 21,19,17,23,24,25,22,26,27,28,20 ... what would be the best steps with fewest moves?
12:48 < PEG> 21 top with free space and last is 20 at the bottom now space.
13:12 < new_student> Hey guys, does anyone know how to force firefox to use a system wide root certificate on linux machines for the new ff>52 ?
13:12 < new_student> I am following the autoconfig guide on https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:AddRootToFirefox but it didn't work
13:12 < ihre> which distro?
13:13 < new_student> Ubuntu
13:13 < new_student> (I know you might hate me for it)
13:14 < ihre> haha dont worry, but its more about the process on adding it to the system where it runs, because instead of adding it to ff, i'd just add it to the system-wide cert store (personally)
13:14 < new_student> I did that, ff doesn't honor it
13:14 < CheckYourSix> Fuckkkkk I don't want to go to work today. Feels like a weekend already and I'm exhausted
13:15 < ihre> did you run `update-ca-certificates`?
13:16 < ihre> after copying the cert to `/usr/local/share/ca-certificates`
13:16 < new_student> ihre: yes, FF officially doesn't honor system certs
13:16 < ihre> and you can check if the cert is 'valid' with openssl s_client connect
13:16 < ihre> oh right, it uses a seperate store :\
13:16 < ihre> fuck
13:16 < ihre> i think i did that on my desktop, let me check
13:21 < ihre> meh, not in history anymore, also removed ff :x
13:23 < ihre> new_student: check https://stackoverflow.com/a/48424709
13:23 < new_student> I have done that to the root ca
13:25 < ihre> for the right db file? (cert9.db vs cert8.db)
13:26 < CheckYourSix> Is there a program like Sonarr that downloads podcasts
13:26 < new_student> Both of them are present. Do I need to select which
13:27 < new_student> I mean they are in the same directory
13:27 < ihre> CheckYourSix: https://vocalproject.net/ ?
13:27 < ihre> well, the cert8.db file might still be present because of a previously installed FF version
13:27 < CheckYourSix> ihre: Looking for something that runs on a VM or a container. Linux based with a web GUI
13:28 < ihre> hmm, mopidy has podcast support
13:28 < ihre> but i dont think it'll allow you to download
13:29 < CheckYourSix> I want to download and stick them in Plex
13:31 < ihre> https://gpodder.github.io/docs/user-manual.html maybe
13:33 < CheckYourSix> https://davinkevin.github.io/Podcast-Server/ might work
13:33 < CheckYourSix> I'll have to investigate more when I get home
13:35 < ihre> new_student: fwiw, #firefox or #mozilla might be able to help
13:36 < ihre> or just #firefox, looks like the other is on a dedicated irc server from mozilla itself
13:42 < new_student> ihre: found the problem... it was cert8.db vs cert9.db
13:42 < new_student> They updated it with FF 58
13:42 < new_student> I had to use -sql:/path/to/certdir
13:43 < new_student> *-d sql:/path/to/certdir
13:43 < new_student> Instead of just -d /path/to/certdir
14:17 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:17 < plop> morning asimon
14:17 < Anaphylaxis> whats up my dude
14:17 < asimon> I'm excited because I brought in a bottle of hand lotion to work. I've never owned lotion before - gonna get those super soft hands
14:18 < Bru-> gluten dag
14:19 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/dell-xps-15-2-in-1-review-kaby-lake-g-makes-dells-good-laptop-a-bit-better/ hmmm
14:19 < Nightcinder> i kinda want one for home
14:19 < plop> asimon, what kind of research did you to choose the correct hand lotion?
14:19 < Nightcinder> i've tried all kinds of the ultra dry skin hand lotions and none of them work for me
14:19 < Nightcinder> my hands are just incredibly dry
14:19 < Bru-> okeefes
14:19 < Bru-> is best
14:19 < Bru-> for cracking hands
14:20 < asimon> Well it was left in the kitchen of my apartment by the previous tenants when I moved in
14:20 < asimon> So not much research
14:20 < asimon> It's lavender scented and enriched with shea butter though
14:20 < plop> asimon, is it dated?
14:20 < plop> nice
14:20 < asimon> (c) 2016 but no date aside from that
14:21 < plop> i se
14:21 < plop> e
14:21 < asimon> I'm definitely going to extrude way too much lotion onto my hand at some point though
14:22 < SynMonger> only one way to deal with that
14:24 < asimon> What's that?
14:32 < Alternity> what career path do you think has better long term potentional, infosec vs devops
14:32 <@Code_Man65> They are both pretty good.
14:32 < ihre> well, devops seems to create a lot of work for secops :p
14:32 <@Code_Man65> Automation is only going to increase, as is infosec needs.
14:33 < giant_it_burrit> ansible shop here
14:33 <@Code_Man65> Personally, I'd go with whichever one you find the most fun
14:33 < giant_it_burrit> what about you crazy kids
14:33 <@Code_Man65> We have ansible tower giant_it_burrit
14:34 < giant_it_burrit> i find infosec more fun because i run the phishing tests herer
14:34 < giant_it_burrit> huehuehue
14:34 < giant_it_burrit> the emails are coming from inside the office
14:35 <@Code_Man65> But we've also decided that we aren't going to use ansible for windows, it isn't mature enough
14:35 <@Code_Man65> So for Windows we are going to use DSC
14:36 < giant_it_burrit> im trying to get office to shell out for sccm and parallels to manage non loonix
14:37 <@Code_Man65> Just don't try to use SCCM baselines
14:37 < giant_it_burrit> idk what those are lol
14:37 <@Code_Man65> Unreliable, finicky, and painful
14:41 < Sousapro> Code_Man65: but I thought SCCM walked on water
14:41 < Alternity> i feel like the ultimate outcome of devops is no-ops
14:41 < Alternity> and i don't want to be a developer
14:42 <@Code_Man65> Sousapro:  When it comes to configuration baselines, ain't nobody got time for that
14:42 < Sousapro> Alternity: only if we want businesses to be a dumpster fire
14:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> last day before 5 day vacation and i just realized I forgot my adderall :/
14:42 < McDonaldsWiFi> gonna be a long one lol
14:43 < Alternity> Sousapro: publish your code to elasticbeanstalk
14:43 < Alternity> who needs ops
14:43 < Sousapro> Alternity: lmao
14:45 < Sousapro> Alternity: I know that's how they think but that's not how it's going to work
14:45 < giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: dsc is beyond our current setup
14:45 < Alternity> those IT guys just keep throwing up problems and i'm just trying to publish code brooo
14:45 < giant_it_burrit> once i get everyone on the same type of windows aka enterprise
14:46 < giant_it_burrit> then i can look at that
14:46 < Bru-> morn
14:46 < Alternity> dsc for desktops?
14:46 < Alternity> haven't heard of that
14:46 < Sousapro> Alternity: 6 months later same Dev is wondering why they are filling for bankruptcy because they never powered down test environments
14:51 <@Code_Man65> No Alternity, GPO still rules the desktop
14:55 < cantibot> good morning
14:56 < cantibot> you know what's a really cool time? Retching your guts out in the shower!
14:56 < cantibot> That is a GREAT way to start the morning lol
14:56 < Casteil> oh man lmao
14:57 < Casteil> do you guys watch Silicon Valley?
14:57 < cantibot> Thats what I get for drinking last night and eating taco bell and immediately passing out afterwards
14:57 < cantibot> I try to...
14:58 < cantibot> I finished halt and catch fire and started silicon valley so i was probably not in the right headspace to watch it but it
14:58 < cantibot> s okay
14:58 < cantibot> As much as TJ Miller is a piece of shit I miss him.
14:58 < Alternity> anyone replaced gpo with intune?
14:58 < Casteil> I got a response from the company owner this morning that I'm trying to make sense of; my engineer and I are looking at it and all of a sudden he says "the bear is sticky with honey"
14:58 < Alternity> we're getting the microsoft 365 suite so we'll have that
14:58 < Casteil> (silicon valley reference)
14:59 <@Code_Man65> altek:  We have a mix of e3 and e5 company wide
14:59 < cantibot> The bear needs more pizazz. The bear is ravenous for pizazz. lol
14:59 < Anaphylaxis> E5? What, it makes toast for you?
15:00 < giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: any tips when doing babys first sccm?
15:04 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: patience
15:05 <@Code_Man65> giant_it_burrit:  https://www.windows-noob.com/forums/topic/4045-step-by-step-guides-system-center-2012-r2-configuration-manager/
15:05 <@Code_Man65> And yes, patience
15:05 < giant_it_burrit> guess im not doing sccm
15:05 < giant_it_burrit> lol
15:05 <@JollyRgrs> if something isn't doing what you think it is supposed to do... go to lunch and come back... or go home and come back the next day
15:05 < giant_it_burrit> that part i can do
15:05 < ihre> you need to yell at your screen very often
15:05 < Nightcinder> JollyRgrs: or just recompile it
15:05 < Nightcinder> and it magically works
15:05 < giant_it_burrit> is it worth trying to fix mdt/wds before hand? or scrap it and start over?
15:05 <@JollyRgrs> so many times you'll fix the issue... test it and get a bad result b/c it didn't fully propagate throughout the entire system
15:05 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: scrape and start over
15:06 < giant_it_burrit> sccm would be a one box system for me it seems
15:06 <@JollyRgrs> but good idea to install MDT on the SCCM server, get some benefits to incorporate MDT in SCCM
15:06 < Nightcinder> does SCCM cost money
15:06 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: no
15:06 <@JollyRgrs> but client licenses do
15:06 < Nightcinder> then i need to spin one up
15:06 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: its all going on the same box
15:06 <@Code_Man65> Nightcinder:  If you license the core CAL suite you have the license already
15:06 < giant_it_burrit> i have at most 50 windows machines
15:07 <@Code_Man65> Even on a single server giant_it_burrit, it will sometimes take up to an hour for things to process fully
15:07 < Nightcinder> i can't find the proper srv records for dell WDM
15:07 < Nightcinder> googling it gives me like 100 different answers
15:07 < giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: jebus why
15:07 < corn266> Windows efficiency
15:07 <@Code_Man65> There are several background jobs that only run once an hour
15:07 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: how do you like WDM? /smirt
15:07 <@JollyRgrs> smirk even
15:07 < Nightcinder> dunno
15:07 < corn266> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
15:07 < Nightcinder> haven't used it yet
15:07 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: which devices are you using with it?
15:07 < Nightcinder> has to be better than these horrific hp thin clients
15:08 < Nightcinder> wyse 3040
15:08 <@JollyRgrs> which unit is that?
15:08 <@JollyRgrs> i'm off on my numbers
15:08 < Nightcinder> the tiny atom desktop unit
15:08 < Nightcinder> i have it mounted on the back of a dell p2217h
15:08 <@JollyRgrs> thin desktop, laptop, AIO? zero client?
15:08 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/hLybIXiH/image.png is so cute
15:08 <@JollyRgrs> ah, thin desktops... i think we did the 30 somethings
15:09 <@JollyRgrs> are you imaging via WDM?
15:09 < Nightcinder> haven't even set it up all the way yet
15:09 < Nightcinder> i only have 1 unit right now
15:09 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: you know me, patience and not yelling are two things i struggle with
15:09 < Nightcinder> the 2 more i just ordered have been backordered for weeks
15:09 <@JollyRgrs> if can be a PITA... but overall... not too bad
15:09 < Nightcinder> well
15:09 < Nightcinder> the hp's we have run 7 embedded
15:09 < Nightcinder> so..this has to be better just period
15:09 <@JollyRgrs> they have their own janky scripting language for pushing some updates
15:10 <@JollyRgrs> when i was doing wyse devices... they were win7 embedded
15:10 < giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: wht roles can be ran on the sccm box without issue
15:10 < Nightcinder> these are not
15:10 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: all?
15:10 < Nightcinder> they run thinOS
15:10 <@JollyRgrs> oh nice
15:10 <@JollyRgrs> the AIO's we got at the end of my tenure at that job were thinOS
15:10 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: i meant could i add kms to that machine as well
15:10 <@JollyRgrs> we sent them home for ppl that worked from home
15:11 < cantibot> giant_it_burrit did you drink verification can yet?
15:11 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: oh... i'd keep it to just SCCM things
15:11 < Nightcinder> i haven't gone that deep down the RDP rabbit hole
15:11 < Nightcinder> our TS aren't strong enough
15:11 < Nightcinder> performance is lacking
15:11 <@JollyRgrs> SCCM will have enough complications as it is, no need to add others
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: that's the beauty of it... they were managed via cloud WDM basically... and we could remotely image... fix... and for dual monitors... just a DP cable to the 2nd display and done
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> and our policy was ethernet only, so no worries about connecting to wifi
15:12 < Nightcinder> no i mean our straight up terminal servers
15:12 < catbeard> "hi i can't connect to the wif... oh.."
15:12 < Nightcinder> they are just
15:12 < Nightcinder> lacking
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> oh
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
15:12 < Nightcinder> there's plenty of processing power
15:12 < Nightcinder> but they just are..slow
15:12 < Nightcinder> and i don't know why
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> heh
15:12 < Nightcinder> i didn't set them up
15:12 <@JollyRgrs> HDD IOPS?
15:13 <@JollyRgrs> mammory?
15:13 < catbeard> you're IT you should still know why
15:13 < catbeard> :)
15:13 < Nightcinder> we have a 3par
15:13 < catbeard> it's your fault my issue is happening
15:13 <@JollyRgrs> means nothing, it's all how you use it
15:13 < Nightcinder> not on SSD storage tho
15:13 < catbeard> not my own shortcomings
15:13 < Nightcinder> we use the SSD storage as cache
15:13 < Nightcinder> pretty sure they have boatloads of RAM
15:13 < Nightcinder> 8 cpus 32GB ram 350GB hdd
15:14 < Nightcinder> i could boost the RAM up sometime to 64 or 128
15:14 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: FYI.... SCCM console takes up riddic CPU, so if you wanna do SCCM console in citrix/TS situation... beef it up
15:14 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: what's CPU ready showing for those VMs?
15:14 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: and what are you actually doing on those VMs?
15:14 < Nightcinder> just perusing vsphere there's not much usage rn
15:15 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: slow for no reason is usually IOPs or high CPU ready
15:15 < Nightcinder> hmmmm
15:15 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: citrix/ts?
15:15 < giant_it_burrit> wtf is ts
15:15 < giant_it_burrit> terminal services?
15:15 <@JollyRgrs> TS for terminal server
15:15 < Nightcinder> maybe needs mor ram https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mklzjjNL/image.png
15:15 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
15:15 < Sousapro> Is your CPU ready under 50ms, Nightcinder ?
15:15 < Nightcinder> where the fuck is cpu ready
15:15 < Sousapro> giant_it_burrit: Terrible Server
15:15 <@Code_Man65> SCCM console in citrix makes me hate life with Current Branch
15:16 < giant_it_burrit> its going in a xeon box 6 core 32gb ram
15:16 < hxcsp> terminal server is what they called it before remote desktop server kids
15:16 < hxcsp> :D
15:16 <@Code_Man65> Just install it locally on the machines that need it and let the auto-update do its job
15:16 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: go to performance on the VM and change the monitoring to CPU
15:16 < Nightcinder> it's still called terminal server
15:16 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: then customize what you're seeing so you only see CPU Usage and CPU ready
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> what level endpoint do i need
15:17 < giant_it_burrit> anyone use parallels to manage macs with sccm?
15:17 < Nightcinder> this? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/RTR9QpnE/image.png
15:18 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: yeah if you changed it to show CPU ready
15:18 < Nightcinder> well orange says 'ready'
15:18 < Sousapro> What's the average there?
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> Code_Man65: our problem is the vendor we use...
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> they won't install our image on their machines... our policy is that even to VPN, must be our image
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> so only solution was citrix/RDS (we don't offer VMWare desktop environments, unfortunately)
15:20 < Nightcinder> i'm seeing average ready right around 50ms
15:20 < Nightcinder> the one labeled <server> instead of a number says 300ms ready
15:21 < Nightcinder> do i need to give it moar cpu
15:22 < Nightcinder> i set resource settings to high instead of normal
15:23 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: that's showing that on average your VMs are having to wait almost 1/3 of a second to get scheduled
15:23 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: you're probably oversubscribed on cores
15:23 < Nightcinder> each server has 48 procs and we don't have all that many vm's, so i can't see that being the case
15:24 < Nightcinder> 48 cores*
15:25 <@JollyRgrs> Bang to the boogy say up jump the boogy
15:25 <@JollyRgrs> To the rhythm of the boogidy beat
15:25 <@JollyRgrs> I don't love no hoes they know so they don't be fuckin' wit m
15:25 <@JollyRgrs> e
15:25 <@JollyRgrs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph2TUjqLJdY
15:25 < cantibot> I've NEVER loved these hoes.
15:26 < cantibot> Not even a little bit.
15:26 < cantibot> I see them and it's just like....are these even human beings?
15:26 < cantibot> Do they need the same things I need to be alive?
15:26 < cantibot> Are they more like plants?
15:26 <@JollyRgrs> So lets do the do, on how we do
15:26 <@JollyRgrs> Never my boo, just a freak that I knew
15:27 <@JollyRgrs> i once knew a trick named canti bot
15:27 < corn266> a real slim jim who thought they were hot
15:27 < cantibot> That was '05, I was in that '06
15:27 < cantibot> Had the GMC van on 75 doing tricks
15:27 < cantibot> COLDDDDDDD
15:27 < ebol4> slim james
15:28 < corn266> slim jimothy*
15:29 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: yeah, something is definitely going on though. That ready is out of control. May want to use VMWare support to look at it
15:32 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: bawitdabaw da bang da dang diggy diggy diggy shake the boogie said up jump the boogy
15:32 <@JollyRgrs> but fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her honda
15:32 <@JollyRgrs> my anaconda don't want none
15:33 <@JollyRgrs> unless you got buns, hun
15:33 < DomLS3> no honda has a motor
15:33 < DomLS3> motors are electric
15:33 < DomLS3> oof
15:33 < ebol4> so she was right
15:33 < DomLS3> yes, yes she was
15:34 < ebol4> minaj 2020
15:34 < DomLS3> saw a video of a hayabusa swapped jetski
15:34 < DomLS3> that bitch moved
15:34 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: https://youtu.be/V0PisGe66mY?t=36 this is what spanish speaking girls hear when they hear rapper's delight
15:34 < cantibot> Bang it to the curb?
15:35 < cantibot> Even with aluminum rims?!
15:35 <@JollyRgrs> ebol4: wut?
15:35 < cantibot> ...sounds expensive
15:35 < ebol4> JollyRgrs: i'm calling it now
15:36 <@JollyRgrs> "so she was right"
15:36 <@JollyRgrs> who she?
15:36 < ebol4> minaj you fool
15:36 <@JollyRgrs> right about what?
15:36 <@JollyRgrs> i don't follow her tweeters
15:36 < ebol4> there's no motor in the back of the fonda's honda
15:36 < cantibot> Is it true that the only thing on rizon is chomos and warez?
15:37 < ebol4> do you have doml on ignore JollyRgrs
15:37 < cantibot> fonda got ejected from his honda
15:37 <@JollyRgrs> ebol4: minaj said that?
15:37 <@JollyRgrs> ebol4: nope
15:37 <@JollyRgrs> i jsut don't know what minaj had to do with sir mix-a-lot
15:37 < DomLS3> This is the throwback of all throwbacks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK_LN3XEcnw
15:37 < ebol4> i don't know who this mixer lot is but he's got nothing on nicki
15:38 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: i should kick you for that
15:38 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: bullshit
15:38 < DomLS3> it's not even rick roll
15:38 <@JollyRgrs> worse
15:38 < DomLS3> not worse
15:38 < DomLS3> that song is the tits
15:38 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, what's next? baha men?
15:38 < DomLS3> you should kick yourself
15:38 < DomLS3> definitely not baha men
15:38 <@JollyRgrs> aqua?
15:39 <@JollyRgrs> are you a barbie girl, DomLS3?
15:39 < DomLS3> ugh
15:39 < DomLS3> that barbe song is cancer
15:39 <@JollyRgrs> or are you blue
15:39 < DomLS3> BLUE
15:39 < DomLS3> YES
15:39 < DomLS3> VERY BLUE
15:39 < DomLS3> DA BA DE DA BA DYE
15:39 <@JollyRgrs> da ba dee da ba dai
15:39 < DomLS3> or however they spell it
15:39 <@JollyRgrs> iunno
15:40 <@JollyRgrs> so... universal truth
15:40 <@JollyRgrs> gang stas
15:40 <@JollyRgrs> make tha
15:40 <@JollyRgrs> world go round
15:40 < sideup66> Hide the body eat the body hide the body eat the bodyblu
15:41 < DomLS3> gangsta's paradise
15:41 < DomLS3> oog
15:41 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: I've got it!
15:41 < ihre> tfw something you work on for 2 days is completely useless because of a wrong assumption, fml
15:41 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KL9mRus19o
15:41 <@JollyRgrs> ihre: assumption based on competency of the source?
15:41 < sideup66> Hide the bodeatthebodhodethebodeatthebodlub
15:41 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: i'll accept that
15:41 < GreyKite> ihre: I've done that
15:42 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: +v worthy?
15:42 <@JollyRgrs> no
15:42 < DomLS3> well fak u
15:42 <@JollyRgrs> but no kicks
15:42 <@JollyRgrs> so... fair?
15:42 < DomLS3> not fair
15:42 < DomLS3> I get kicked all the time
15:42 <@JollyRgrs> so no kick would be a good thing, right?
15:42 < DomLS3> getting kicked to me is almost like breathing now
15:42 < DomLS3> plus my auto join is on point af
15:42 <@Code_Man65> So you are suffocating right now?
15:42 <@JollyRgrs> 10 min of kick free eye arr cee
15:42 < DomLS3> Code_Man65: well I'm not getting kick raped, so no
15:43 <@JollyRgrs> if getting kicked is like breathing... adn you are not being kicked... you are like not breathing
15:43 < ihre> JollyRgrs: in this case maybe the executioner :P was working on helm chart CI testing, its able to do linting and generate templates, and it just happily continues if a variable is unset, instead of exiting with something other than 0 :x
15:43 <@JollyRgrs> lol
15:43 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: I meant being kicked is like breathing as in I breath constantly
15:43 < ebol4> my man put two emoticons in one message
15:43 < DomLS3> I wasn't correlating the two implying that be getting kicked IS me breathing
15:43 < DomLS3> ffs
15:43 < ebol4> what are you feeling
15:43 < DomLS3> +v me
15:43 < DomLS3> now
15:44 < GreyKite> welp
15:44 < ebol4> what is CI anyway
15:44 < DomLS3> dick stuck in ceiling fan
15:44 < GreyKite> note to self: don't make demands of the mods
15:44 < ebol4> is that just like, you commit code to git repo, and then it automatically compiles, tests, and deploys
15:44 < ihre> the latter is CD
15:44 < ebol4> oh okay
15:44 < ihre> the first two are CI
15:45 < ebol4> ahhhhhhh
15:45 < ebol4> thank you
15:45 < sideup66> You knoe
15:46 < sideup66> Dire straights money for nothing.... Why is that better than eifel 65 in the 90s as far as cgi is concerned
15:46 < sideup66> Which was done on an Amiga
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> sideup66: b/c the song is better?
15:48 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tRUBRliVLA
15:49 < DomLS3> +v worthy ^
15:49 < sideup66> JollyRgrs:  yes the song id
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> i like day of fire
15:49 < sideup66> But cgi in one is 90s
15:49 < sideup66> Other is damn 80s
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> didn't know others knew of them in here
15:49 < sideup66> Early 80s
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> sideup66: i don't remember the video enoguh
15:49 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: like I said, +v worthy
15:49 < sideup66> Which
15:49 < DomLS3> All these plebs in here don't know what good music is
15:50 < DomLS3> they some justin beaver lookin mfs
15:50 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: i would venture only a few of us in here rock out to christian rock
15:50 < sideup66> Wut
15:50 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: Maane, sonicflood, POD, switchfoot
15:50 <@JollyRgrs> maane?
15:50 < DomLS3> maane, like meign
15:50 <@JollyRgrs> switchfoot's early years were great... their recent stuff is poop
15:50 < DomLS3> like black people saying man
15:50 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs agreed
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> i don't know maane
15:51 < Hatter> Amiga using video toaster
15:51 < DomLS3> I had no idea until recently that skillet and flyleaf were christian rock
15:51 < Hatter> did you know dana carvey's brother invented the video toaster
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> every new switchfoot album, i'm so excited and hope it is more like their old stuff... then i have to turn it off before i'm half way through any song
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: oh yeah
15:51 < DomLS3> Skillet is one of my favorites, along with Thousand Foot Krutch
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> skillet's early stuff is VERY 90s christian rock, but still good
15:51 < DomLS3> Disciple, Decyfer Down
15:52 < DomLS3> all good shit
15:52 < Hatter> which is why garth was wearing a video toaster shirt in waynes world
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: ok, u got good taste in that :P
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> i missed the disciple concert here a few months ago
15:52 < DomLS3> :)
15:52 < ekaj> REE
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> DD is coming soon... i've seen both in concert b4 though
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> disciple has a good show
15:52 < DomLS3> only reason I know about most of the bands is because of SiriusXM
15:52 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs - what about bluetree?
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> seeing them live is so nice
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: never heard
15:53 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs check em out they are irish
15:53 < ekaj> anyone had issues with a new RHEL 7 box w/ SELinux not listening on 514 for syslog once configured?
15:53 < DomLS3> when I would take my 1000 mile trip to florida every year I would listen to the rock stations and they play nothing but rock bands that I've never heard of that I fall in love with
15:53 <+AnonymooseWork> saw them live a few years back
15:53 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: is it rock or more chris tomlin stuff?
15:53 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs rock
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> northern irish contemporary Chrsitian band according to google music
15:54 <+AnonymooseWork> yea but its def. not chris tomlin
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> yeah... they are more praise than rock
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> akin to sonic flood level
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> not bad, just not in the mood for it right now
15:54 <+AnonymooseWork> i quite like it
15:54 <+AnonymooseWork> ah
15:54 <+AnonymooseWork> yea
15:54 < ebol4> PRAISE HIM
15:55 <+AnonymooseWork> before our first son was born my wife and I ran our youth group
15:55 <+AnonymooseWork> so the kids got us hooked on all kinds of stuff
15:55 < pupp3r> mornin lads
15:55 <+AnonymooseWork> some of the music is good, other stuff is shite
15:55 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: there's some pretty good "underground" hip-hop in the Christian side of things
15:55 <@JollyRgrs> moreso underground b/c they just aren't that big
15:56 <+AnonymooseWork> meh i'm not into hip hop at all tbh
15:56 < Heresiarch> ekaj: is the syslogd configured to listen on 514? Is it actually listening on said port?
15:56 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs kinda rare to walk into sysadmin and hear people talking about christian rock
15:56 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
15:56 < ekaj> yes it's configured, no it's not listening
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: very
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp listens to some, too iirc
15:57 < Heresiarch> ekaj: https://support.logz.io/hc/en-us/articles/209486429-Troubleshooting-Rsyslog-SELinux-configuration
15:57 < ekaj> already set it to permissive for now..
15:57 <+AnonymooseWork> regarding bluetree - they have some really hard rockish songs (god of this city for example) but also some really chill praise songs too
15:58 <@JollyRgrs> i miss the old kutless
15:58 <+AnonymooseWork> heh
15:58 < Heresiarch> ekaj: start running setroubleshoot
15:59 <+AnonymooseWork> there is another band but i can't think of the name righ tnow
15:59 <+AnonymooseWork> sounded like our lady peace
15:59 < ekaj> I don't think it's selinux if it's in permissive mode and still having issues
15:59 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: i think i know of what yo uspeak of
15:59 <+AnonymooseWork> heh
15:59 <@JollyRgrs> not what you are thinking of... but pax217 was good stuff, too
15:59 < Heresiarch> ekaj: and it doesn't show up in a netstat -lupe ?
16:00 < ekaj> ss -lntp does not show it
16:00 < ekaj> netstat doesn't come ootb on 7
16:00 < Heresiarch> ekaj: it'd be ss -lunp
16:00 <@JollyRgrs> speaking of one man army though... Project86 brings it hard
16:00 < Sousapro> I gotta ask, what the hell is up with DBAs and always wanting to disable the firewall on prod SQL instances?
16:00 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
16:01 <+AnonymooseWork> Sousapro - lack of understanding
16:01 < Heresiarch> AnonymooseWork: ++
16:01 < Sousapro> May as well set SA password to Hunter1
16:01 < Heresiarch> ekaj: -lntp would only show TCP. syslog is a udp proto.
16:01 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: same reason to disable SELinux
16:01 <+AnonymooseWork> you mean ********
16:01 <+AnonymooseWork> all i see is ********
16:01 <+AnonymooseWork> ? :D
16:01 < Sousapro> Oh I know
16:01 <@JollyRgrs> they know DB, they don't know firewall
16:02 < Sousapro> It's automatically filtered through blue coat
16:02 <@JollyRgrs> what they don't understand, they don't want
16:02 <+AnonymooseWork> yep
16:02 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: I don't think anyone wants Ubuntu Server
16:02 < ekaj> Heresiarch: I believe I figured it out, thank you
16:02 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: but sometimes you gotta make lemonade lol
16:02 < Heresiarch> ekaj: np
16:02 <@cryptic1> morning
16:02 <+AnonymooseWork> any of you guys use any skype room systems?
16:02 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: you think wrong. :)
16:03 < Heresiarch> though systemd-resolved can burn in hell.
16:03 < ekaj> I'll have to write down lunp / lntp or i'll forget them. or I could just read the man page next time lol
16:03 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: I personally think CentOS or RHEL are the correct answers
16:03 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: skype rooms? not familiar?
16:03 < asimon> Morning cryptic1
16:03 < dragonfleas> Morning cryptic1
16:03 <@JollyRgrs> oh wait... you mean like the semi-perma chat gorups?
16:03 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: that's true for most of enterprise. Not necessarily everywhere else.
16:03 <@JollyRgrs> groups
16:04 < dragonfleas> pfsense
16:04 <+AnonymooseWork> JollyRgrs - yeah kind of a newish thing
16:04 < asimon> Hey I just said that
16:04 <+AnonymooseWork> think video conference system that integrates with Skype for bus
16:04 < dragonfleas> asimon, <3
16:04 < Nightcinder> Sousapro: it seems to have come down a bit after making some changes to the terminal servers
16:04 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseWork: oh, we had a group a few years ago in skype... you could get invited to it, but it was kinda janky
16:04 <@JollyRgrs> you'd think they would jsut do that with Teams
16:04 <+AnonymooseWork> hehe
16:05 <+AnonymooseWork> teams / sfb
16:05 <+AnonymooseWork> same shit different pile
16:05 <@JollyRgrs> eh
16:05 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: Have you heard the new godmsack album? It's fucking fantastic
16:05 <@JollyRgrs> the interface to teams (for me) seems worse... but i understand what they are trying to do with it
16:05 < DomLS3> it actually sounds like christian rock
16:05 <+AnonymooseWork> agreed
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: i have not, I heard you mention it yesterday
16:06 <+AnonymooseWork> agreed on the teams bit
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: that's usually a degrading term... haha
16:06 <+AnonymooseWork> also .. you didn't mention Creed?
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> in terms of music or lyrics?
16:06 <+AnonymooseWork> not hard enough for you?
16:06 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: both
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> you know, tbh... if it weren't so overplayed, some of Creed wasn't bad
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> but it was overplayed more than nickelback
16:06 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH-E98MltJc
16:06 <+AnonymooseWork> oh it really was
16:06 < DomLS3> I actually like creed and nickelback
16:07 < DomLS3> I don't know why people give them so much shit
16:07 <@cryptic1> O_o
16:07 <@JollyRgrs> b/c overplayed makes everyone hate
16:07 <@JollyRgrs> like cryptic1
16:07 < Heresiarch> Alter Bridge >> Creed.
16:07 <+AnonymooseWork> 'with arms wide open' got me good
16:07 <@cryptic1> please stop
16:07 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: minus scott stapp
16:07 < DomLS3> cryptic1: back to work
16:07 <@JollyRgrs> see? cryptic1 is hatin'
16:07 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: and that's what made it better.
16:07 < DomLS3> for real
16:07 <@cryptic1> stp-core was so much better than all of those
16:07 < DomLS3> nobody wants your hatin ass
16:08 < DomLS3> anyone find it interesting that cryptic1 hasn't been around all morning, but first mention of "creed" and "nickelback" and here he is
16:08 < DomLS3> hmmm?
16:08 < felda> the only music I listen to is Jordan Peterson podcasts
16:08 <@cryptic1> i just connected
16:08 < DomLS3> "just connected"
16:08 <@JollyRgrs> DomLS3: lol, his fav is actually beiber
16:08 < corn266> crab-core is greater
16:08 <@JollyRgrs> he's gotta support the cannucks
16:09 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: sell me on arch in prod lol
16:10 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: Arch is for hipsters and retards with new-shiny syndrome. I decline. ^_^
16:11 < Sousapro> What would you use instead of RHEL?
16:11 < Heresiarch> Ubuntu LTS.
16:11 < ebol4> good god don't use arch in prod what
16:11 < Sousapro> Yeah, I've done that before Heresiarch
16:11 < ekaj> rebooted one of our physical servers... forgot how long it takes to reboot physical ones :(
16:12 < ihre> i'd rather just use centos instead of rhel in that case :p
16:12 < ebol4> centos, rhel, and debian are the only right answers
16:12 <@Code_Man65> When I worked at Dell in AltOs I actually encountered people running Gentoo in prod
16:12 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: I'd never use a non-LTS release in prod, be it CentOS, RHEL, or Ubuntu.
16:12 <@Code_Man65> CentOS and RHEL are by definition LTS
16:12 < Sousapro> That's fair. Those are the only three Linux flavors I would use in prod
16:13 < corn266> You say that Code_Man65 but upgrading to 7.5 still sends my kernel into panic
16:13 < Sousapro> And I would push for RHEL if at all possible
16:13 <@Code_Man65> RHEL 8 is supposed to release this year
16:13 < corn266> Is that the one with no support for python2 ?
16:14 <@Code_Man65> No, fedora still supports python2
16:14 < Heresiarch> The main "problem" with CentOS/RHEL is that the packages update really, really slowly. Ubuntu LTS is a nice balance between relatively up-to-date and stable.
16:14 < ebol4> i would think every distro still supports python2
16:14 <@Code_Man65> And it's the bleeding edge version of RedHat
16:14 <@Code_Man65> That's because they prize stability over all else Heresiarch
16:15 < Heresiarch> Code_Man65: granted. That's why I said, "problem". It's not really, but some dev shops have requirements for more recent versions of frameworks/languages. Enterprise, stability > *, so RHEL is perfect.
16:16 < felda> Code_Man65 eats the butt of the apple
16:16 < Heresiarch> Code_Man65: side note. Have you played with ansible 2.5 yet?
16:16 <@Code_Man65> I've updated my sandbox to it
16:17 <@Code_Man65> Messed a bit with the Netscaler modules
16:17 < Heresiarch> Fair warning: tag inheritance no longer functions in 2.5 when calling tasks with include_task.
16:19 <+orderchaos> Python 2 will still have support for a couple years
16:19 <+orderchaos> at least
16:19 <+orderchaos> but fedora has moved a lot to python3 for core utils so I'd expect Rhel 8 to do the same
16:20 <+orderchaos> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FinalizingFedoraSwitchtoPython3
16:20 < DomLS3> ooh look at big old bad Code_Man65 all like "oooooh I worked at Dell"
16:21 < Gigadoc2> orderchaos: AFAIK rhel 8 will have switched to python3 entirely from the start because their support period is way longer than python2s remaining lifetime
16:21 < Gigadoc2> at least, not doing so would mean to support python2 on their own for… a long time
16:21 <+orderchaos> Gigadoc2: not necessarily all at once on release
16:22 <+orderchaos> could be RHEL 8.X update that finalizes some moves
16:22 <+orderchaos> but yeah I would expect most core stuff to use python3 instead of python2.
16:22 < Heresiarch> is RHEL 8 going to involve the move to dnf?
16:22 < Gigadoc2> how long is a point release supported? would 8.0 be unsupported before the end of python2?
16:22 <+orderchaos> probably
16:23 < ravioli> is it dns?
16:23 < rhqq> it's always dns
16:23 <@Code_Man65> No, RHEL8 will be supported until 2028
16:23 < estranger> Dnf?
16:24 < vinrock> did not fart?
16:24 <+orderchaos> estranger: dnf is the replacement package manager for yum
16:24 <+orderchaos> it's been in fedora for a couple years now
16:24 < ravioli> so, a tech changed a machine's dns settings to 8.8.8.8 (instead of our internal dns settings) which resulted in it being unable to reach the domain controller
16:24 <@Code_Man65> From what I know, once it is in RHEL it will actually be named yum
16:24 < estranger> Ahh cool, never heard of it.. thx!
16:24 < Gigadoc2> ravioli: "but google dns is better!!!"
16:24 < vinrock> ravioli did you castrate him
16:24 <@Code_Man65> The dnf name was just to show they were working on a replacement IIRC
16:24 <+orderchaos> ravioli: should tell him about 1.1.1.1
16:25 < ravioli> tried to change the dns settings using my domain admin credentials and...it couldn't contact the domain controller sooooo
16:25 < ravioli> (*i tried to change...)
16:25 < estranger> So, what's wrong with yum?
16:25 < Heresiarch> Code_Man65: you mean that RH isn't just changing something to change something? THE HELL YOU SAY! (/s. Sort of.)
16:25 <+orderchaos> Code_Man65: all the dnf commands have aliases for yum so you can use either in fedora. I could see them leaving it as yum
16:25 < vinrock> thats when you edit the hosts file
16:25 < ravioli> i thought about that but i phoned a friend who had the local admin pw
16:26 <+orderchaos> estranger: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2016/08/30/why-red-hats-new-dnf-package-manager-is-not-just-another-yum-2/
16:26 < ravioli> i was pretty sure the hosts file wasn't R+W for all users
16:26 <+orderchaos> ravioli: shouldn't be
16:26 < vinrock> yeah i figured you had local admin
16:30 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: that's why i don't use DNS
16:30 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: christian rock
16:30 < hxcsp> que
16:30 < ravioli> JollyRgrs is felda confirmed
16:30 <@JollyRgrs> and yeah, ti is system32/drivers/etc/hosts
16:30 <@JollyRgrs> which is only writable to local admins
16:30 < felda> yes yes yes
16:30 < ravioli> gotcha
16:30 < felda> but all your users are domain admin anyway so it still works
16:31 < ravioli> unless your dns settings are so wrong that the machine can't connect to the domain controller
16:31 < ravioli> D:
16:31 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: i thought i recalled you listened to some
16:31 <@JollyRgrs> i could be wrong
16:31 < hxcsp> is slayer considered christian rock
16:31 <@JollyRgrs> we had a very lengthy discussion
16:31 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: errrrmm.... prob not
16:32 <@JollyRgrs> someone from the TX area, coulda swore it was you
16:32 < hxcsp> oh, then no
16:32 <@JollyRgrs> so no skillet?
16:33 < hxcsp> im assuming you dont mean the thing you cook with
16:33 < hxcsp> no i dont listen to that band
16:33 < hxcsp> i just had to look them up :P
16:33 < DomLS3> hxcsp: bant
16:34 < ravioli> the reddit redesign just got rolled out to me
16:34 < DomLS3> I was listening to Skillet back in the msn days lol
16:34 < hxcsp> why do people call themselves christian rock
16:34 < hxcsp> are there muslim rock bands?
16:34 < DomLS3> ravioli: I still haven't seen it yet
16:34 < DomLS3> guess I'm going to be one of the lucky last
16:34 < hxcsp> buddhist rock bands?
16:34 < DomLS3> is it as bad as everyone says it is?
16:34 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: because they normally have Christian values in their lyrics and makes it easier to identify when consumers are looking for such
16:34 < vinrock> hxcsp you ever actually listened to a chriustian rock song
16:34 < vinrock> the lyrics are all praise jeebus
16:35 < vinrock> there's christian rap too
16:35 < hxcsp> only christian band i know is faith+1
16:35 < vinrock> they are the best
16:35 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: never heard of em
16:35 < vinrock> iirc katy perry/jessica simpson/taylor swift started their careers as christian singers
16:35 < ravioli> DomLS3: it's not the worst
16:35 < corn266> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_zWp3h7r0
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: i dunno about the first two
16:36 < ravioli> DomLS3: it's definitely modern looking but i think i can get used to it
16:36 < hxcsp> hree JollyRgrs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU1taFr17QU
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> taylor started as country singer on american idol, right?
16:36 < ravioli> DomLS3: it's definitely different too.
16:36 < ravioli> JollyRgrs: i don't think so?
16:36 < vinrock> did she?
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: i c, SP band
16:36 < ravioli> don't make me google taylor swift
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> lol
16:36 < ravioli> i won't get any work done today
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> tswift was totally country at first
16:36 <@JollyRgrs> that's how she won idol
16:36 < vinrock> "Simpson resumed performing in her church choir, eventually being discovered by the head of a Christian music label.[17] He initially asked her for an audition, and immediately signed her after she performed "I Will Always Love You" (1973) by Dolly Parton.[17] She began working on her debut album with Proclaim Records, and began touring to promote the project.[17] "
16:36 < DomLS3> until she realized there's more money in pop
16:36 < vinrock> Proclaim Records
16:37 < vinrock> kek
16:37 < ravioli> cause she's beeeauuuuuttiiifffuuullll
16:37 < DomLS3> ravioli: but no ass though
16:37 < DomLS3> or tits
16:37 < ravioli> JollyRgrs: she wasn't on american idol
16:37 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: i thought she just jumped from disney to rockin it like miley and justin did
16:37 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: no?
16:37 < vinrock> "Katy Hudson is the eponymous debut studio album by American singer Katy Hudson, who subsequently adopted the stage name Katy Perry. It primarily incorporates Christian rock and contemporary Christian music elements with lyrical themes of childhood, adolescence and Hudson's faith in God."
16:37 <@JollyRgrs> who am i thinking of?
16:37 < vinrock> that's 2/3 so far
16:37 < vinrock> boo-yah
16:37 < ravioli> JollyRgrs: carrie underwood probably
16:37 < ravioli> JollyRgrs: or kelly clarkson
16:37 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: nice
16:38 <@JollyRgrs> i know clarkson was on
16:38 <@JollyRgrs> underwood is a bit too old for idol
16:38 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: clarkson and underwood
16:38 < ravioli> google it
16:38 < DomLS3> carrie underwood > taylor swift
16:38 < ravioli> fight me
16:38 < DomLS3> underwood is fkn slayin
16:38 < hxcsp> wasnt carrie underwood the first american idol or something
16:38 < vinrock> yea clarkson totally made her name on that show
16:38 < vinrock> then she got mad fat
16:38 < vinrock> IM RICH BITCHES
16:38 < vinrock> GIMME A SAMMICH
16:38 < vinrock> and the kid with the jewfro
16:38 < vinrock> but he fell off the face of the earf
16:39 < ekaj> .bofh
16:39  * ravioli got rekt by DomLS3 in #donger
16:40 < DomLS3> because #donger knows carrie is queen
16:40 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: groban?
16:40 < vinrock> nah
16:40 < vinrock> justin guarini i think his name was
16:40 < DomLS3> haha
16:40 < ravioli> DomLS3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDkg3QiJmk <3
16:40 <@JollyRgrs> oh! i think i remember that guy
16:40 < vinrock> they put out a musical/movie called kelly & justin or some shit
16:40 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
16:40 < vinrock> i remember paula was all over him
16:40 < vinrock> he totally coulda hit it
16:40 <@JollyRgrs> she was
16:41 <@JollyRgrs> she was drunk/drugged/whatevs
16:41 < vinrock> hell yeah
16:41 <@JollyRgrs> like always
16:41 < DomLS3> ravioli: https://imgur.com/gallery/UfDLHbX </3
16:41 < asimon> God I hate regex
16:41 < vinrock> man if i had the chance to fulfill that childhood dream
16:41 < ebol4> regex is great
16:41 < DomLS3> her ass looks like two chicken legs
16:41 < vinrock> she was so hot dancing with the animated cat
16:41 < asimon> Regex is great
16:41 < asimon> Except
16:41 < corn266> regex is the best
16:41 < vinrock> ew
16:41 < vinrock> gave me a mental image of kanyes wife
16:41 < vinrock> whatsherface
16:42 < vinrock> kardashian
16:42 <+TuxedoJack> The hobbit?
16:42 < DomLS3> kim k's ass is gross
16:42 < vinrock> oh dude
16:42 < vinrock> its so nasty
16:42 < DomLS3> absolutely disgusting
16:42 < vinrock> like an egg on stilts
16:42 < hxcsp>  its beyond gross
16:42 < DomLS3> so is J-Lo's
16:42 < asimon> I'm using it for automated testing of a website I'm building and searching for certain elements in the page source with regex doesn't give me the same results if I use an online regex tool
16:42 < DomLS3> I don't like overly huge asses
16:42 < vinrock> nah j-lo is fuckin perfect
16:42 <+TuxedoJack> vinrock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32s1zi4SwaE
16:42 < vinrock> not my syle tho
16:42 < asimon> Like I'll copy/paste the source in
16:42 < vinrock> thats one bigol' bootie
16:42 < hxcsp> and now the jenner kids are starting to look like their older sisters
16:42 < hxcsp> its gross too
16:42 < asimon> And I get 4 hits on my regex expression
16:42 < asimon> But in the test I only get 1
16:42 < asimon> wtf
16:44 < ravioli> asimon: maybe something to do with newlines?
16:44 < plop> sup ravioli
16:44 < ravioli> or encoding?
16:44 < ravioli> hi plop.
16:45 < vinrock> we've got this one dispatcher
16:45 < vinrock> when he gets worked up he starts sounding like rodney dangerfield
16:46 <@Code_Man65> vinrock:  Because he gets no respect?
16:46 < vinrock> that does seem to be his general complaint
16:48 < ravioli> lol
16:48 < asimon> Probably an encoding thing since python is barking at me when I try to print the page source to file
16:49 < ihre> pythons dont bark :\
16:50 < Popzi> neither do giraffes
16:51 < ravioli> i just spec'd out $250 worth of guitar pickups and am trying to tell myself reasons why i shouldn't buy them
16:51 < ihre> just buy them already
16:52 < ihre> then you can pondre why you did afterwards
16:52 < ebol4> treat yoself
16:52 < plop> hey. quick question. the desert you call it Rice pudding or Rice with milk?
16:52 < ebol4> rice pudding
16:52 < plop> awesome. thanks.
16:53 < ebol4> i guess you could call it rice with milk but people would think you were weird
16:53 < asimon> aaaand now the test passes for some unknown reason
16:54 < asimon> I didn't change anything
16:54 < asimon> Computers suck
16:54 < plop> haha in spain we call it rice with milk. so i was wondering.
16:54 < ebol4> what do you call like, chocolate pudding
16:54 < ravioli> where in spain are you from, plop?
16:54 < plop> north of barcelona
16:54 < plop> in the coast
16:55 < ravioli> if you don't mind me asking
16:55 < ravioli> ah
16:55 < plop> and you? i believe you already told me
16:55 < ravioli> i'm in the united states
16:55 < ravioli> but i have friends in madrid
16:55 < Hatter> ooh la dee da
16:55 < plop> oh i see.
16:55 < ravioli> i was going to reference the relaxing cup of cafe con leche meme but i don't know if it was popular outside of madrid
16:56 < plop> hahah it really is popular
16:56 < ravioli> SPANISH CULTURE
16:56 < plop> hell yeah. tortilla
16:57 < ravioli> lol.
16:57 < ravioli> i visited madrid for a few weeks in 2015 and it was popular then.
16:57 < ravioli> i'd love to go back to spain and rent a motorcycle and drive around.
16:58 < plop> yeah. madrid mayor wanted to sound cool and she was reading phonetic english because she doesn't know anything and was pretty hilarious listening to her
16:58 < vinrock> im bout to buy my first motorcycle
16:58 < vinrock> souped af
16:58 < plop> ravioli, lots of awesome roads to drive
16:58 < ebol4> how come shorts are unprofessional in an office environment
16:58 < foreal> insure it with Geico
16:59 < vinrock> geico is expensive as hell
16:59 < AnimalFarmPig> rice pudding is one of those universal foods. Like, basically every culture makes rice pudding.
16:59 < foreal> word
16:59 < vinrock> foreal
16:59 < foreal> fosho
16:59 < AnimalFarmPig> kind of like vienna schnitzel
16:59 < pupp3r> ebol4 cause brave soldiers like you aren't wearing them. together *we* can start the shorts revolution
16:59 < DomLS3> I've spent WAY too fucking much money this month
16:59 < vinrock> yo those little canned hotdogs are the shit
16:59 < ravioli> stop
16:59 < foreal> how much and on what
16:59 < ebol4> "pupp3r those shorts are unprofessional. take them off immediately"
17:00 < AnimalFarmPig> ;)
17:00 < pupp3r> hmmm... i must decide between my job and my dignity
17:00 < AnimalFarmPig> I wear shorts to work. I think I'm pretty much the one person here who does.
17:00 < vinrock> we have a guy who wears shorts like
17:00 < vinrock> 11 out of 12 months
17:00 < ebol4> sounds liek california
17:00 < vinrock> not at all
17:00 < vinrock> 33 degrees?  shorts day, it aint freezing.
17:01 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, coworker at job n - 2 did that. Every day-- cammo shorts & a black shirt. Even when it was freezing.
17:01 < AnimalFarmPig> oops, meeting time, bbl
17:01 < ebol4> bubble
17:01 < foreal> butt
17:01 < alazare619> 🔫
17:01 < vinrock> beef negimaki or salmon teriyaki
17:01 < ebol4> S.O.D.
17:04 < foreal> how about both
17:07 < ravioli> vinrock: what bike
17:08 < vinrock> yamaha mt-10
17:08 < ravioli> new?
17:09 < vinrock> yeah gonna swing by the dealership n grab one
17:09 < ravioli> if i were you i'd do an old pile of shit bike as your first bike
17:09 < vinrock> selling my quad to use for the down payment
17:09 <+AnonymooseWork> bah
17:09 < vinrock> ive got many years of riding quads n dirtbikes, i at least know enough not to fuck my shit up
17:09 < chesshire> Good morning
17:09 < ravioli> i bought a $1700 used bike on craigslist cause i knew i was gonna lay it down at some point
17:09 < dragonfleas> anybody watching the second season of 13 reasons why
17:09 < ravioli> so it wasn't THAT bad when i laid it down like 6 months later
17:10 < vinrock> hah
17:10 < vinrock> i never had a streetbike before cuz i knew i couldnt trust myself, only doing it now because im pretty calmed down
17:11 < DomLS3> I'll never get a bike
17:11 < DomLS3> ever
17:11 < DomLS3> I'd rather not die
17:11 < ravioli> you gone through the MSF courses yet vinrock?
17:11 < ravioli> *course
17:11 < vinrock> nope but thats how im gona get my license
17:11 < pupp3r> dragonfleas: it's alright. i'm only about 3 episodes in
17:11 < ravioli> nice
17:11 < vinrock> im gona take a course and make sure i pick up any pointers
17:12 < dragonfleas> pupp3r, i'm on episode 4 right now
17:12 < ravioli> yeah you'll learn a lot. the place i went to, the guy was great, gave a lot of info that i had never thought about
17:12 <+AnonymooseWork> hmm
17:12 <+AnonymooseWork> so
17:12 < vinrock> they changed the law here too, back in the day people would use a scooter to take the test
17:12 <+AnonymooseWork> iSCSI switches, should I stack them or leave them seperate
17:12 < vinrock> now if you take the test with anything below 250cc thats all your license is good for
17:12 <+AnonymooseWork> mellanox SX1012
17:12 < ravioli> they have 250cc bikes at the place i went to
17:12 < ravioli> yeah
17:13 < ravioli> i've got a nighthawk 750 that needs the carbs cleaned. it's just been sitting for like 4 years :(
17:13 < vinrock> i scored a lab-grade ultrasonic cleaner and sold it on craiglist to a guy who had a bike shop
17:13 < vinrock> for cleaning carbs
17:13 < ravioli> i can only run it like 4 months out of the year because of our too-damn-long winters but there's nowhere to service them around here
17:13 < ravioli> nice
17:13 < vinrock> that blows
17:16 < dragonfleas> I wish I could own a bike but I'm super afraid of dying
17:16 < dragonfleas> motorcycles are very dangerous
17:16 < chesshire> I'm taking the endorsement course weekend after next!
17:17 < Hatter> chesshire: Do you know where I can find some nice chess themed keycaps?
17:17 < ebol4> how is a keycap chess themes
17:17 < ebol4> like black and white alternating
17:17 < corn266> dragonfleas it's pretty easy not to die, just don't
17:17 < ravioli> the keycaps are shaped like chess pieces
17:17 < vinrock> it's for typing like royalty
17:17 < dragonfleas> corn266, statistically motorcycles are much more dangerous right?
17:17 < Hatter> ebol4: I meant with symbols for the various pieces
17:17 < chesshire> Hatter: I think wasd can do custom keycaps, but I've never gotten a set from them so I can't speak on the quality.
17:18 < JFDkthx> estranger: GARBAGE DAY
17:18 < corn266> you can't prove that dragonfleas
17:18 < JFDkthx> the only people that drive motorcycles are ones that are compensating
17:18 < vinrock> id rather live a life full of thrills than not live at all
17:18 < JFDkthx> for their inability to drive a car.
17:19 < dragonfleas> fair vinrock
17:19 < cantibot> super nintendo sega genesis
17:19 < vinrock> when iw as dead broke man i couldnt picture this
17:19 < vinrock> 50" screen limousine with the sofas
17:20 < vinrock> somethin somethin
17:22 < estranger> GAAARBAAAGE DAAAY
17:23 < asimon> ./GarbageCollect
17:23 <+AnonymooseWork> heh
17:24 <+AnonymooseWork> asimon... this isn't #java
17:24 < scwizard> good morning
17:24 < DeVito> yes
17:24 < scwizard> tbh was late today because was working on a reddit comment lol
17:24 < scwizard> good thing my boss is at the doctor and won't be getting in until the afternoon
17:25 < DomLS3> late to work because of reddit
17:25 < DomLS3> sounds like you have a problem
17:25 < scwizard> well
17:25 < scwizard> i arrived on time
17:25 < scwizard> but just sat there writing a comment
17:25 < scwizard> it's ok i'm leaving late today
17:25 < scwizard> totally
17:25 < DomLS3> couldn't wait until you got in the office? lol
17:27 < vinrock> you guilted him offline
17:28 < DomLS3> good
17:31 < jaelae> this guy in my office is in charge of our alerting system and added something but i mean he never fully tested it. so of course it kicks off at 105am then 330am last night which kicks off phone calls to the person oncall
17:31 < jaelae> his response this morning was oh yea its a work in progress. seems a little annoying to do though
17:34 <+AnonymooseWork> jaelae no kidding
17:34 < jaelae> i dunno i figure if it was me i would be setting it to simply send emails temporarily to make sure it worked
17:35 < Astr0_Belt> Good morning all.
17:36 < felda> looks like the Mueller investigation is getting to the real villain: CRYPTIC1
17:36 <@cryptic1> no wai
17:36 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
17:36 < Prodigal-Timmy> So, I did something dumb today. I rebooted an Azure VM in safe mode with networking using MSCONFIG flags/
17:36 < felda> you do know using DNS is an impeachable offense right?
17:36 <+AnonymooseWork> lol Prodigal-Timmy
17:36 <+AnonymooseWork> how'd that work out for you
17:37 < Prodigal-Timmy> currently working out... poorly
17:37 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
17:37 <+AnonymooseWork> you'll have to open a support case
17:37 < Prodigal-Timmy> support cant help
17:37 < Prodigal-Timmy> told me to F off
17:37 <+AnonymooseWork> but they will probably say they can't help because they have no access to VM
17:37 < Prodigal-Timmy> ^
17:37 <+AnonymooseWork> uhm,
17:37 <+AnonymooseWork> you have hyperv role on prem?
17:37 < Prodigal-Timmy> I think the solution is to migrate to AWS
17:38 <+AnonymooseWork> ...
17:38 <+AnonymooseWork> download the VHD locally
17:38 <+AnonymooseWork> attach it, do your thing
17:38 <+AnonymooseWork> re-upload
17:38 < Prodigal-Timmy> may as well just restore a backup
17:38 <+AnonymooseWork> well that too
17:39 < scwizard> uhh
17:39 < Prodigal-Timmy> head honcho over here thinks the restore will break everything though
17:39 < scwizard> ok so the AWS api has ZERO uniformity
17:39 < Prodigal-Timmy> so I have to wait ;p
17:39 < Heresiarch> Prodigal-Timmy: AWS ian't going to be as helpful if you bork networking on an instance. Their response will likely be on the order of, "then spin up a new one".
17:39 < scwizard> the ecr api speaks JSON
17:39 < Prodigal-Timmy> AWS has two things going for it in this scenario Heresiarch
17:39 < Prodigal-Timmy> you can reboot a machine in safe mode
17:40 < Prodigal-Timmy> and it has console connections
17:40 < Heresiarch> huh. Must be something relatively new (or Windows-specific). Last I checked, AWS didn't have console for *anything*.
17:42 < Prodigal-Timmy> maybe I'm misremembering. Haven't touched AWS in a year or so
17:42 <+AnonymooseWork> Heresiarch yeah i don't think so either
17:42 <+AnonymooseWork> Prodigal-Timmy - if it makes you feel any better
17:42 <+AnonymooseWork> a little while ago i deleted my AD account and lost access to my Azure subscription (Azure AD Sync)
17:42 <+AnonymooseWork> I had to get someone else to re-add me
17:44 < Prodigal-Timmy> I'll take that mistake any day
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
17:44 < Prodigal-Timmy> no client impact
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> nope just funny
17:44 < Prodigal-Timmy> right now I have a few dozen people cursing my name
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> meh
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> ... why the fuck would you do that btw?
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> seriously though if restore doesn't work
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> download the VHD
17:44 <+AnonymooseWork> the vhd is a gen 1 compliant vm
17:45 <+AnonymooseWork> do NOT change the generation
17:45 < Prodigal-Timmy> I gotta wait for the director of engineering ;p
17:45 <+AnonymooseWork> okie dokie
17:45 < Prodigal-Timmy> what needs to happen is simple but
17:45 < alazare619> giant_it_burrit:  check dicord
17:45 < Prodigal-Timmy> I've lost free-will for the moment
17:46 < Prodigal-Timmy> after all, I did just reboot an azure VM into safe mode
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> can you reboot it again
17:46 < giant_it_burrit> i see bby
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> or is the flag set to boot into safe mode again
17:46 < Prodigal-Timmy> (It still seems insane to me thats a death sentence for a cloud server)
17:46 < Prodigal-Timmy> flag is set
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> well
17:46 < Prodigal-Timmy> reboot wont work
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> its not really a death sentence
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> its just that you don't have console access
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> what about powershell?
17:46 <+AnonymooseWork> or RDP?
17:47 < Prodigal-Timmy> RDP - we wouldnt be having this discussion
17:47 < Prodigal-Timmy> there is no RDP on a cloud VM in safe mode + networking
17:47 < Prodigal-Timmy> hence my befuddlement
17:47 < Prodigal-Timmy> powershell I can 'connect', but need a cert  I dont have
17:47 <+AnonymooseWork> gotcha
17:48 <+AnonymooseWork> uhm,
17:48 < abakedapplepie> no console access at all?
17:48 < abakedapplepie> rough
17:48 < Prodigal-Timmy> AWS doesn't have console
17:48 < abakedapplepie> where is this hosted
17:48 < abakedapplepie> oh
17:48 < Prodigal-Timmy> sorry
17:48 < Prodigal-Timmy> Azure
17:48 < Prodigal-Timmy> not AWS
17:48 < abakedapplepie> how do you fix that lol
17:49 < abakedapplepie> why would they even let you put it into safe mode if it essentially kills the server
17:49 < Prodigal-Timmy> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/sriharsha/2013/10/26/remote-powershell-in-azure-iaas-virtual-machines/
17:49 < Prodigal-Timmy> "This is because Remote PS uses HTTPS and the certificate used for your Virtual Machine is a self signed certificate.  To solve this open your browser and navigate to your VM and the public endpoint for Remote PS.  Eg : http://servicename.cloudapp.net:5986"
17:49 < Prodigal-Timmy> what the shit is my public endpoint for remote ps
17:50 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: "The UNIX philosophy is to give users just enough rope to hang themselves. And then a few feet to make sure." <-- This applies to cloud, as well.
17:52 < Popzi> and the windows philosophy is to just remove anything that somewhat resembles logic, ease of use or common sense in hopes that the user will enjoy killing themself
17:53 < steevo> Popzi, I honestly believe that they sometimes build something, and then take a look at it and say "how can we make this frustrating to use?"
17:53 <@JollyRgrs> lol
17:53 <+TuxedoJack> The Apple philosophy, then, is "let's make everything pretty with no options to set or real control, because our users are fucking idiots who will blindly click next on everything up to and including agreements that let us make a human centipede out of them"
17:53 < Popzi> steevo: I think they must have a dedicated team for that
17:54 <@JollyRgrs> those view points are usually seen by those not wise in years, or who have burried themselves in so much hate that they have not learned much while on the job
17:55 < ravioli> idk why you think apple doesn't give real control
17:55 < ravioli> iOS? sure, absolutely
17:55 < ravioli> mac OS is really great tbqfh
17:55 < ravioli> it's unix for people who don't get off on the idea of reading man pages
17:55 < steevo> ravioli, great is stretching it, but it is unix-like enough that you can at least get something done
17:55 < ravioli> (but the man pages are there if you want)
17:55 < chesshire> I miss changing my hardware...
17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> we got new director for our department this week. He was apparently surprised that we're not all on apple.
17:56 < steevo> AnimalFarmPig, are you a marketing company, or is he a moron?
17:56 < grumplestiltzkin> What's the BeOS philosophy?   or OS2?
17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> I'll accept apple hardware if I have to, but if I have to run that fucking OS, I will quit
17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> steevo: devops with emphasis on the dev
17:57 < AnimalFarmPig> BeOS philosophy seems to be "gotta go fast!"
17:57 < ravioli> macOS is dank
17:57 < steevo> ravioli, moist and gloomy?
17:58 < ravioli> honestly the only thing i really hate about windows nowadays is the update process
17:59 < Prodigal-Timmy>  ^
17:59 < Prodigal-Timmy> I'm also hugely annoyed by them moving pieces around
17:59 < Prodigal-Timmy> and cortana search integration
17:59 < Prodigal-Timmy> windows store
17:59 < chesshire> new control panel
17:59 < ravioli> i'm waiting for the day that a powerpoint presentation at a windows keynote is interrupted with HEY YOU NEED TO INSTALL UPDATES
17:59 < Prodigal-Timmy> server 2016
18:00 < Prodigal-Timmy> yeah ok fuck windows
18:00 < Popzi> what about the shitty apps, things that were perfectly fine before but fucked up in new said updates, cortana, targeted ads?
18:00 < Popzi> also fuck them moving things around
18:00 < ravioli> yeah, advertisements in windows is another gripe
18:00 < grumplestiltzkin> I've only done a setup for win10 twice, for personal stuff - I disabled cortana at setup (or it says I did, no idea if any parts are running)
18:00 < Popzi> the network and sharing center used to be 2 damn clicks away, now its like 6 and a scroll
18:00 < Prodigal-Timmy>  rolling new machines out to enterprise businesses with fucking candy crush and halo tiles all over the start menu
18:00 < chesshire> Mmmmm Candy Crush(tm)
18:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> trying to figure out which one of the 4 dozen windows operating systems is the right one to buy
18:01 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck UWP
18:01 < AnimalFarmPig> I just use OS to run browser windows, IDE, terminals, and chat clients. As such, I don't really give a shit about the other things. I just need good window management. gnome3 and windows do a great job of it-- apple's OS, not so much.
18:01 < Popzi> fuck yes for ad-apps
18:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> 'enterprise sounds good! No bullshit in the start menu? Hell yeah!"
18:01 <+TuxedoJack> And fuck anything that downloads a fucking gig of shovelware after OOBE
18:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> "Were sorry, your video card does not work with this OS"
18:01 < steevo> Prodigal-Timmy, you can turn that shit off if you have enterprise edition. If you're on pro you're stuck though.
18:01 < ravioli> i've had windows interrupt full-screen games to tell me "oh hey btw i downloaded updates and you need to RESTART AND INSTALL NOW (or we'll give you the option to annoy you again in 4 hours)"
18:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> fuck enterprise
18:01 < Popzi> ravioli: THIS.
18:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> what a shitshow
18:01 < ravioli> and i'm like "oh that's why my shitty internet connection has been even shittier since i restarted last"
18:01 < abakedapplepie> try setting an IP statically on windows 10 these days
18:01 < abakedapplepie> i'll wait
18:01 < abakedapplepie> its fucking absurd
18:01 < Popzi> apart from mine would do it every HOUR without the option to tell them to fuck off for the day
18:01 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: what do you mean?
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> i set static IP on win10 without issues many times
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> Im able to?
18:02 < abakedapplepie> well they removed the network and sharing center icon
18:02 < abakedapplepie> so you end up in system settings
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> oh do you mean how it
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> hahaha
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> yeah
18:02 < abakedapplepie> you go to network adapter
18:02 < abakedapplepie> and its just a summary
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> he's talking about adapters
18:02 < abakedapplepie> NO changes can be made
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
18:02 <+TuxedoJack> ncpa.cpl
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> thats just the UI changing around
18:02 <+TuxedoJack> Use that
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> which I covered in my gripes
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> also, as Tux said - command line it
18:02 < Popzi> "IS the ui easy to use? Oh, oh it is? Ok lets change that"
18:02 < abakedapplepie> you have to find access to the old control panel, then go into network and sharing center, and then go into the old ip interface page, and then set the static IP
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: right click adapter in systray, open network and sharing center... left column has "change adapter settings"
18:02 < abakedapplepie> they removed that
18:02 < Prodigal-Timmy> @Jolly - that changes
18:03 < abakedapplepie> you cant right click and go to network and sharing center
18:03 < ravioli> if apple tells you about an update it's a little tiny notification in the top right once a day, and that's only for big security updates. all the other ones just sit in the app store until you click "update" (unless you turn on automatic updates).
18:03 < Prodigal-Timmy> depending on your update revision
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> in 1803?
18:03 < abakedapplepie> thats what im angry about
18:03 < abakedapplepie> in 1703
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> i'm on 1703 right now at work
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> i'm starin right at it
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> and i'm only on pro
18:03 < abakedapplepie> me too and im not
18:03 < steevo> abakedapplepie, JollyRgrs, it's still there for me too
18:03 < abakedapplepie> i have "open network and internet settings"
18:03 < Prodigal-Timmy> so we exstablished it isnt update revision
18:03 < abakedapplepie> maybe im on 1803 then
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> Control Panel Home | Change adapter settings | Change advanced sharing settings
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> not on the left column?
18:03 < Prodigal-Timmy> not sure what causes it - but I see it all the time in my clients
18:03 < abakedapplepie> yes, that stuff is there JollyRgrs
18:04 < abakedapplepie> its getting there that sucks
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> pfft
18:04 < Prodigal-Timmy> I learned the ncpa.cpl run line BECAUSE of this exact issue
18:04 < abakedapplepie> theyre removing every easy path to the old control panel items
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> that was a right click and a left click
18:04 < abakedapplepie> while not giving replacements
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> Prodigal-Timmy: you didn't learn that back in like... winxp days?
18:04 < abakedapplepie> like i said, i dont have that on my windows 10
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> or were you not using comptuers then?
18:04 < Prodigal-Timmy> win 3.1
18:04 < abakedapplepie> i have to manually open it
18:04 < Prodigal-Timmy> and Im still a DOS guy
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: you got that chinese win10 knock-off
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> Prodigal-Timmy: that's how i know the .cpl files
18:04 < abakedapplepie> it must be an 1803 thing
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> that, and viruses would block explorer from running, etc/
18:04 < Prodigal-Timmy> hell I even enjoy AS400 because Im that into CLI's
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> virus' are good shit man
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> gotta love me
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> *em
18:05 < scwizard> that's werid
18:05 < grumplestiltzkin> maybe all of this will drive some kind of alternative to DirectX
18:05 < abakedapplepie> they dont put the windows build number on system info anymore?
18:05 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck
18:05 < abakedapplepie> why
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> poor susie long
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> https://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/sqlserver/en-US/8f5a03d2-44a0-4944-ab50-f3d61b8cb614/unable-to-rdp-the-azure-vm?forum=WAVirtualMachinesforWindows
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> she's so cute
18:05 < scwizard> if you change the order of params in the canonical query string, you get a signature error
18:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> I can just imagine her in my situation, swearing up a storm
18:06 < scwizard> i guess the aws api has a baked in order it assumes they're in
18:06 < scwizard> LOL
18:06 < Popzi> JollyRgrs, abakedapplepie: this is the shit you have looking forward to - https://gfycat.com/AchingDaringCondor
18:06 < scwizard> it's alphabetical
18:06 < scwizard> they need to be in alphabetical order or it doesn't work
18:06 < scwizard> my fucking face when
18:07 < steevo> so we can all agree that everything sucks then?
18:07 < scwizard> that's not mentioned in the API docs LOL
18:07 < abakedapplepie> i know theres a shortcut to it there
18:07 < abakedapplepie> i was specifically not mentioning it
18:07 < abakedapplepie> because its fucking retarded
18:07 < abakedapplepie> it should not be this way
18:07 < abakedapplepie> if youre going to roll out a new system settings api
18:07 < abakedapplepie> do it all at once and make sure theres a replacement for everything
18:07 < abakedapplepie> dont remove half my functionality and then make it hard to get it back
18:07 <@JollyRgrs> i can't even see half his sceren
18:07 <@JollyRgrs> scren
18:07 < ravioli> just click system preferences and then network
18:07 < Popzi> well yeah i had personal shit on there :P
18:08 < abakedapplepie> ravioli: you cant do anything there
18:08 < abakedapplepie> you have to find your way to network and sharing center
18:08 < abakedapplepie> the old cpl item
18:08 < Popzi> you get the idea, 10* more clicks than just rclicking > network and sharing center
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> Popzi: so i can't verify anything
18:08 < ravioli> abakedapplepie: i'm making a funny by saying mac things
18:08 < abakedapplepie> oh
18:08 < Popzi> JollyRgrs: it's a gif of me getting to the network and sharing center
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> winkey, ncpa.cpl,ender
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> 10 keystrokes if you count "ender"...
18:09 < grumplestiltzkin> Wasn't it like website/UI/UX generally best practice that any GUI shouldn't take more than 3 clicks to get to anything?
18:09 < abakedapplepie> it shouldnt be that way thats all
18:09 < Prodigal-Timmy> @Jolly, just agree - he's right
18:09 < ravioli> i love when windows search searches bing instead of my computer
18:09 < Popzi> I havent seen this new control panel update yet though, I still manage it fine with start > control > enter
18:09 < abakedapplepie> if they werent ready to use system settings for network control, they shouldnt have removed the ability to use the old network and sharing center the way they did
18:09 < scwizard> "Unable to determine service/operation name to be authorized" wat
18:09 < Popzi> ravioli: the best is when you search for "Goog" and it brings up google chrome, then you type "Googl" and it searches fucking bing
18:09 < Prodigal-Timmy> the best thing about windows 10
18:09 < steevo> ravioli, did you not turn off cortana/web search in group policy?
18:10 < Prodigal-Timmy> they removed a ton a disability friendly features on the sly
18:10 < abakedapplepie> i just completely remove the windows store
18:10 < abakedapplepie> fuck the window sstore
18:10 < abakedapplepie> and cortana
18:10 < Prodigal-Timmy> all the options to customize font size, color, type for UI elements
18:10 < Prodigal-Timmy> gone
18:10 < ravioli> steevo: i shouldn't have to dive into group policy or the registry editor to fix all that bs
18:10 < Popzi> +1
18:10 < abakedapplepie> you dont have to
18:10 < abakedapplepie> its just easier to do it in gp
18:10 < abakedapplepie> or rather, persistant
18:11 < steevo> ravioli, no you should not have to. But since you're using windows, you should change those settings to ease your frustration
18:11 < ravioli> i shouldn't have to fix all that bs
18:12 < ravioli> i don't us windows much anymore. for that reason, for the lack of control over updates, for the advertisements, for major changes to the UI over updates, etc. etc.
18:12 <@JollyRgrs> if a corp env. should be setting GPO, if at home... it hasn't ever bothered me
18:13 < estranger> oh yeah that reminds me
18:13 < DomLS3> or just don't get Windows 10
18:13 < ravioli> an OS should be invisible
18:13 < ravioli> but windows seems to want to shove windows down your throat
18:13 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: admit it, you went mac b/c you wanted to be hipster at starbucks
18:13 < estranger> I have to install JAMF on my mac
18:13 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: i'd sure hope my OS wasn't invisible
18:13 < Popzi> well windows 10 certainly isnt with it being fullscreen on your screen every 10 minutes it has an update
18:14 < ravioli> can we set up a bot that sets /mode +m for 1 minute every 4 hours to tell you about windows updates?
18:14 < Popzi> lol yes please
18:15 < asimon> Whats everyones password manager of choice
18:15 < steevo> asimon, keepass
18:15 < Popzi> Keepass boyz
18:15 < asimon> I've been on keepass
18:16 < AnimalFarmPig> just use the same password everywhere
18:17 < chesshire> p@ssw0rd
18:17 < AnimalFarmPig> Bruce Schneier recommends Password Safe
18:17 < AnimalFarmPig> haven't tried it though
18:18 < Prodigal-Timmy> come on Azure. How long does it take to spin up a simple VM, jesus
18:18 < asimon> Troy hunt is telling me to try 1password
18:19 < poquito> i juut user the reset my password option all the time, constant password rotation
18:19 < steevo> Prodigal-Timmy, you have combined microsoft and the cloud, how do you think that's gonna go?
18:19 <@JollyRgrs> poquito: that's what i use for pw mgmt as well!
18:19 < Prodigal-Timmy> :(
18:19 < AnimalFarmPig> you could try the Navy SEAL password method-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76arp7TomKw
18:20 < pupp3r> > In this episode we take a look at password generation, a common weak spot in computer security
18:20 < AnimalFarmPig> poquito: I used to do that too. I also used to drink a lot (I still do, but I used to too). Fun times when you wake up in the afternoon and you seem to have changed your password last night.
18:20 < Popzi> didn't 1password get hacked some time ago?
18:20 < asimon> of course I can't import from kbdx :/
18:20 < pupp3r> password generation is pretty strong lol
18:20 < pupp3r> lack thereof is when you have problems
18:20 < srg> Prodigal-Timmy: You don't just spin up one VM in azure.... it spins up like 4000000 othe services just to support that one VM
18:21 < srg> you need a vnet, then a ip address, then a storage account, then this, then that, then this other thing
18:21 < srg> :-|
18:21 < srg> I've been having some azure struggles on a big project for us lately
18:21 < srg> Finally wrapping it up though
18:22 < Popzi> sounds like you're using alot of microsoft products
18:22 < steevo> would you like help with that?
18:22 < srg> Just this single project is using azure, everything else is in our own DCs
18:22 < scwizard> uhh
18:22 < alazare619> MFW i realize kid cudi pursuit of happiness is 10 years old now...
18:22 < scwizard> what is this?
18:22 < scwizard> http://mesos.apache.org/
18:23 < asimon> Popzi: I didn't see anything about 1password being hacked but found something equally troubling https://thehackernews.com/2017/02/password-manager-apps.html
18:23 < Prodigal-Timmy> srg - no really, it's just a simple VM ;p
18:23 < Prodigal-Timmy> all the extraneous components are working just fine
18:23 < srg> scwizard: It lets you program against your datacenter like it’s a single pool of resources
18:23 < Prodigal-Timmy> I'm doing a VM restore.
18:24 < scwizard> srg: has anyone used it?
18:24 < srg> scwizard: Probably
18:24  * srg takes his unhelpfullness elsewhere now
18:24 < scwizard> like anyone here
18:24 < Popzi> asimon: ah, may of not been 1password, but i know a password manager did get hacked which was amusing, it was dashlane i think
18:25 < alazare619> nutanix looks sooo sooo sooooooo good now dats
18:25 < alazare619> its came ALONG way
18:25 < steevo> If your password manager stores passwords on sombody else's drive, it's a bad password manager
18:25 < pupp3r> yeah. that's kinda my principle for why i use keepass
18:26 < abakedapplepie> what the everloving shit
18:26 < abakedapplepie> you can copy windows popup dialogs to the clipboard
18:26 < abakedapplepie> just hit control c when the dialog is open
18:26 < abakedapplepie> i did not know this
18:26 < abakedapplepie> holy fuck
18:26 < estranger> ANyone use VSAN 6.7 Host Pinning yet?
18:26 < alazare619> asimon:  that was circa 2017 most of its been patched
18:26 < steevo> abakedapplepie, cool. I didn't know that either
18:26 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: and it copies the text?
18:26 < abakedapplepie> yes
18:26 < abakedapplepie> the whole thing
18:26 <@JollyRgrs> hmm... TIL
18:26 < abakedapplepie> including title and button text
18:27 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, makes it super convenient to search errors
18:27 < Popzi> abakedapplepie: *Installing updates to fuck this easy to use feature up.*
18:27 < Popzi> hometime boys adios
18:27 < asimon> alazare619: True but still unnerving
18:27 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: does this only work in w10?
18:27 < abakedapplepie> i dont know
18:27 < alazare619> asimon:  everything is vunerable
18:27 < abakedapplepie> my mind is blown
18:28 < alazare619> ive learned in my time on this earth humans create...humans are not perfect...thus nothing will EVER be perfect
18:28 < dragonfleas> working remotely today and i haven't done shit
18:28 < asimon> Looks like I'm going back to hunter-gatherer phase
18:28 < dragonfleas> someone give me some motivation
18:28 < srg> dragonfleas: that's the whole point of WFH days.... unofficial days of
18:28 < srg> f
18:28 < alazare619> so never do anything that puts you at risk...
18:28 < srg> dragonfleas: first, get off IRC
18:28 < srg> second, get some coffee
18:28 < corn266> "So I had to reinstall redhad, good thing I have a system image backup" "filesystem dirty" "okay let's just xfs_repair" "Invalid UUID on inode #x" "ugh" "deleting root inode"
18:28 < srg> third, go on reddit
18:28 < srg> wait no
18:28 < dragonfleas> i just drank a venti iced coffee with 3 shots
18:29 < asimon> dragonfleas: back to work
18:29 < corn266> dragonfleas: back to work
18:29 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: but I can conceive of perfection; one cannot conceive of things that have no basis in reality; god is perfection; therefore god exists. Descartes'ed
18:29 < pupp3r> dragonfleas: back to work
18:29 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: go away i'm agnostic
18:29 < alazare619> i reject your reality and have my own
18:29 < grumplestiltzkin> dragonfleas: was that about $12?
18:29 < abakedapplepie> hmm apaprently it doesnt work with all popup dialogs
18:30 < dragonfleas> grumplestiltzkin, 5.74
18:30 < dragonfleas> i'm a nihilist so money doesn't apply to me
18:30 < steevo> alazare619, at least agnostivs make sense. I don't understand why athiests think they have any ground to stand on though
18:30 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: I'm apatheist. You argument just reminded me of how Descartes goes from "I think therefore I am" to a proof of existence of God. Totally dumb, but, what do you expect, it's philosophy
18:30 < AnimalFarmPig> and that was pretty much the argument Descartes made
18:31 < steevo> lunchtime, see you all later
18:31 < AnimalFarmPig> humans are imperfect, things we create a imperfect, but I can imagine perfection, therefore, checkmate atheists
18:31 < pupp3r> if god doesn't exist, how do you explain why freshly cut grass smells so damn nice?
18:31 < int0x1C8> I'm apatheist as well, but I never know how to pronounce it
18:31 < pupp3r> checkmate atheists
18:31 < asimon> Mmm
18:31 < giant_it_burrit> i would just like to consider the fact that it doesnt hurt to believe
18:31 < int0x1C8> is it apa-theist or apathe-ist
18:31 < alazare619> yea i'd have to align with agnostic. I've never seen / percieved divine intervention...or anything that makes me say god exists..but at the same time i've never seen anything that says he / she / it doesn't exist
18:31 < asimon> fresh cut grass and gasoline
18:32 < asimon> best smell there is
18:32 < alazare619> side note why did we just assume god's gender?!
18:32 < giant_it_burrit> fresh tires
18:32 < alazare619> <<TRIGGERED>>
18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> mmmmmm gasoline
18:32 < pupp3r> int0x1C8, it's apache-ist which means your religion is configuring web servers
18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> fried chicken & gasoline.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCCqeHm5VDY
18:32 < corn266> Sounds native american though
18:32 < alazare619> giant_it_burrit:  watch the video i linked on dicord
18:33 < ravioli> lol discord pleb
18:33 < alazare619> ravioli:  you frequent the channel
18:33 < alazare619> you PASTA YOU
18:34 < AnimalFarmPig> pupp3r: I thought apache-ist involved bloated, complicated, hard to build and configure applications with lots of dependencies on other bloated, complicated, hard to build and configure applications written in Java
18:34 < AnimalFarmPig> https://twitter.com/php_ceo/status/588840502688145408?lang=en
18:35 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig: you're thinking of tomcat
18:36 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: oh man, good point
18:38 < pupp3r> part of the apache-ist religion is a vehement hatred for all the nginx-ist heretics
18:39 < derpingit> lol
18:39 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: can you TRULY imagine not being bound by time?
18:39 < ihre> well if useful mods were part of nginx, i wouldnt mind, but mod authn/z for nginx is fully 3rd party
18:39 < ihre> so fuck that
18:40 < ihre> both have their place
18:40 < rhqq> ihre: whats the issue with nginx?
18:40 < ihre> i _just_ posted the issue :P
18:40 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: like in Slaughterhouse 5?
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> i dunno, never saw that
18:40 < rhqq> i mean, original one
18:41 < rhqq> like... why would you use external module for nginx
18:41 < rhqq> to have... auth?
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: can you imagine where you can know tomorrow and yesterday, as well as today... and all exist at the same time?
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> "same time" b/c there is no time
18:41 < derpingit> https://www.reddit.com/r/dankchristianmemes/comments/8lcymf/gods_spaghetti/?st=JHIUN4JH&sh=a2076e63
18:42 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: this is a little too intense for be before lunch
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: lol, it is something i'm unable to truly fathom
18:42 < rhqq> ihre: it should be bundled in default nginx-full in any system, which is pretty much official release
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> i can think of it and be like "huh", but i can't actually fathom how it works
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> #abovemypaygrade
18:43 < ihre> rhqq: i see its bundled now, iirc it wasnt when I last searched
18:43 < rhqq> it is like that for last 5 years
18:43 < khelpw> Anybody here know of any cloud based call center solutions other than RingCentral, 8x8, Avaya, and Aircall worth looking into?
18:43 < rhqq> at least this is when i started using it
18:43 < ihre> but to go to the next one, kerb auth :p
18:44 < rhqq> ihre: you can
18:44 < rhqq> pam_krb5
18:44 <@JollyRgrs> does cisco have cloud solution?
18:44 < khelpw> or have experience with one of the above listed companies, positive or otherwise?
18:44 <@JollyRgrs> i'm guessing not b/c their hardware side of the company would suffer
18:44 < derpingit> our telcom admin of one still holds on to his 18000's phone equipment. the cloud is for kitty pictures
18:44 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:44 < AnimalFarmPig> WebEx Teams should integrate with your voip systems
18:44 < ihre> rhqq: that is more of a workaround, but yeah, that might work too :p
18:44 < rhqq> ihre: basically im using auth_pam for nginx and then im making my own pam files
18:44 < AnimalFarmPig> WebEx Teams (formerly known as Spark)
18:45 < khelpw> Nah, I need a voip system itself, number hosting, queue management, call recording, the works.
18:45 < rhqq> this way i have quite a fine granularity of permissions (groups, sources etc)
18:47 < aName> So I changed my DNS on namecheap - I have two A records, one for * and one for @ both pointing to the same IP
18:47 < aName> And now I get no result rather than the old IP
18:47 < aName> Am I bad?
18:47 <@JollyRgrs> chrome... 19 tabs, 26 processes.  #thankschrome
18:47 <@JollyRgrs> firefox... 86 tabs, 6 processes
18:48 < corn266> JollyRgrs: check your netstat -b though
18:48 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: what about it?
18:49 < corn266> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I was watching twitch yesterday and netstat showed like 20 ports kept open by firefox
18:49 < grumplestiltzkin> derpingit: I keep a personal buttset and punchdown tool in my work backpack too.
18:49 <@JollyRgrs> is there a netstat switch to filter on process?
18:49  * JollyRgrs is too lazy to check
18:49 < corn266> dunno I usually just use | cause linux
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
18:50 < corn266> maybe you can if your powershell has the unix integration?
18:50 < aName> Because I'm not entirely sure I'm doing this right and I'm not getting the result I want lol
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> powershell unix integration?
18:51 < rhqq> aName: wait what
18:51 < corn266> or something, I've noticed when I type / it'll change it to \ and ls shows dir
18:51 < rhqq> so you're using a wildcard  A record ?
18:51 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: that's just powershell
18:52 < corn266> I was unaware
18:52 <@JollyRgrs> ls is aliased to get-childitem (same thing dir is aliased to)
18:52 <@JollyRgrs> and yeah, it'll automagically change slashes the right way sometimes
18:52 < corn266> well TIL, I thought it was their whole "We're letting unix programmers join!" schtick
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> nah, but it helps
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> i typed "ls" way too often in cmd.exe
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> they have a different console if you want to do teh whole linux on windows thing
18:53 < aName> rhqq: I have two DNS records for a domain. Both A records. One for * and one for @, both pointing at the same IP
18:53 <@JollyRgrs> but i can type "bash" and enter a bash prompt
18:53 < alazare619> when you wd40 your chair and it no longer squeaks
18:53 < aName> But instead of getting the old address, it fails to resolve
18:54 < rhqq> ok, so lets say you have example.com and you have set A wildcard record pointing to 1.2.3.4
18:54 < int0x1C8> only plebs don't use cygwin
18:54 < aName> It's through namecheap's "advanced DNS" panel if that changes anything
18:54 < rhqq> and now you're running `dig dick.example.com`
18:54 < rhqq> and what's the result?
18:55 < aName> That resolves, actually
18:55 < rhqq> no idea how namecheaps panel looks like, and in most cases it is irrelevant
18:55 <@JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: i tried it once, was not a fan
18:55 < aName> rhqq: I figured, but hey
18:55 < rhqq> aName: well, then problem solved
18:55 < rhqq> ;p
18:55 < aName> rhqq: But why doesn't domain.tld resolve?
18:55 < aName> Shouldn't the @ handle that?
18:55 < rhqq> that's non-rfc afair
18:55 < rhqq> so it is not documented and namecheap specific
18:56 < rhqq> basically add example.com A record separately
18:56 < rhqq> next to wildcard one
18:56 < aName> OK, alright
18:56 < aName> Thanks
18:56 < rhqq> yw
18:57 < rhqq> also make sure you understand TTL
18:57 < int0x1C8> I do pretty much all my net admin stuff through cygwin
18:57 < aName> rhqq: Yeah, DNS TTL is more of a suggestion, to my understanding
18:57 < rhqq> no
18:57 < aName> rhqq: But it'd been an hour I was losing patience
18:57 < rhqq> your isp will most likely cache according to TTL
18:58 < aName> rhqq: Sure, but the DNS server has the option of ignoring your requested TTL
18:58 < rhqq> so you want to query `dig dick.example.com @1.1.1.1`
18:58 < aName> So if I set a 30s TTL they may just tell me to fuck off
18:59 < rhqq> not really, you set your TTL and you should expect it to be worst-case-scenario
18:59 < JFDkthx> JollyRgrs: bash on windows feels wierd tho
18:59 < rhqq> its often cached for less time by non-authorative dns/caches etc
18:59 < rhqq> but it may and often it will be cached for the entire ttl period of time
19:00 < rhqq> this is why i told you to use a non-standard certainly not cached entry in the first place
19:00 < rhqq> unless you have dicks in your domains =]
19:01 < JFDkthx> we have a couple of richards in AD
19:01 < JFDkthx> i wouldnt say a bags worth, but a few none the less
19:02 < rhqq> =]
19:02 < grumplestiltzkin> seize the means of domain resolution (?)
19:02 < JFDkthx> quick the mods quit
19:02 < JFDkthx> shit post
19:02 < JFDkthx> pasta sucks!
19:02 < int0x1C8> anyone know what happened with that dude who found the missile in the server room on monday?
19:03 < JFDkthx> was a fake
19:03 < int0x1C8> oh, damn
19:03 < JFDkthx> whole thing was just a prank bro
19:04 < ebol4> y'all, what is harder than fizzbuzz
19:04 < ebol4> manager is asking for programming q's to ask in interview
19:05 < int0x1C8> BUBBLE SORT
19:05 < JFDkthx> ask him to create an array of prime numbers starting at the limit of 128bit memory address
19:05 < abakedapplepie> lol what
19:06 < abakedapplepie> who said it was a prank
19:06 < JFDkthx> the guy did himself
19:06 < JFDkthx> he said gh biggest bamboozle of 2018
19:06 < JFDkthx> gj*
19:07 < abakedapplepie> oh wow
19:07 < abakedapplepie> lol
19:09 < felda> oooh yeah got that sour dough sandwich from Bourgeois King
19:09 < bmurt> awesome news?
19:10 < Nightcinder> grr this stupid wyse shit won't show the connection i want it to add
19:11 < JFDkthx> anyone in here still playing destiny?
19:11 < abakedapplepie> yes
19:11 < JFDkthx> why
19:11 < abakedapplepie> because i hate myself
19:12 < felda> lmao jebaited
19:12 < JFDkthx> ah
19:12 < abakedapplepie> i came back to play the new expansion
19:12 < JFDkthx> felda: got em
19:12 < abakedapplepie> since, you know, i already bought it
19:12 < abakedapplepie> but all my friends play on PC
19:12 < JFDkthx> you're on console?
19:12 < abakedapplepie> someone gifted me destiny and i bought the expansion pass and now im playing on pc
19:12 < abakedapplepie> just started like 3 days ago
19:12 < JFDkthx> i was thinking about draggin my friends back into it
19:12 < JFDkthx> but i dont know if it's worth it.
19:12 < abakedapplepie> i played warmind on ps4 then switched to pc once i hit the first hard light cap
19:13 < abakedapplepie> and realized i need to play with my clan
19:13 < abakedapplepie> on pc
19:13 < abakedapplepie> the next update will hopefully make the game better again
19:13 < abakedapplepie> but this warmind expansion has been okay so far
19:13 < abakedapplepie> the big update in september i mean
19:14 < JFDkthx> isnt the new shit ps4 exclusing
19:14 < JFDkthx> for a year
19:14 < abakedapplepie> nooo
19:14 < JFDkthx> exclusive.
19:14 < abakedapplepie> they are contractually obligated to make one ps4 exclusive PvE activity
19:14 < abakedapplepie> so theres one ps4 exclusive strike
19:14 < abakedapplepie> the rest is open to all
19:15 < JFDkthx> new raids?
19:15 < abakedapplepie> they started doing something called raid lairs with the DLCs
19:15 < JFDkthx> or is it just like old raids on harder diff
19:15 < abakedapplepie> so the new raid was leviathan and the DLCs each opened a new wing in the raid
19:15 < abakedapplepie> baiscally two mini raids
19:15 < abakedapplepie> and one big raid
19:16 < JFDkthx> >that was questionable at best.
19:17 < abakedapplepie> i liked leviathan
19:17 < abakedapplepie> i havent done the lairs yet tho
19:17 < abakedapplepie> i didnt play Osiris at all
19:17 < abakedapplepie> quit 2 weeks before release of that DLC
19:20 < Nightcinder> https://i.imgur.com/8zf0o4C.gifv
19:21 < Heresiarch> Nightcinder: ...appropriate gif is appropriate.
19:21 < Nightcinder> lol
19:25 < ebol4> goodbye comrade o7
19:27 <@cryptic1> ebol4, back to work
19:27 <@cryptic1> Nightcinder, back to work
19:27 <@cryptic1> abakedapplepie, back to work
19:27 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx, back to work
19:27 <@cryptic1> felda, back to work
19:27 <@cryptic1> bmurt, back to work
19:28 <@cryptic1> JollyRgrs, back to work
19:28 < asimon> cryptic1: do you have a script that scrapes recent active users or do you do all that manually
19:28 < chesshire> cryptic1: yes dad...
19:28 < abakedapplepie> NO
19:28 <@cryptic1> int0x1C8, back to work
19:28 <@cryptic1> grumplestiltzkin, back to work
19:28 < felda> cryptic1 i need some +v to work properly
19:29 < int0x1C8> cryptic1.BackTo(Work)
19:32 < vinrock> ballsballsballs
19:32 <@cryptic1> D:
19:33 < felda> D:\ not mounted
19:33 < user-and-abuser> where you working at nowadays @cryptic1
19:33 < felda> ur mums house m8
19:33 < felda> doin some heavy lifting and laying pipe
19:33 <@cryptic1> i am everywhere
19:33 < user-and-abuser> banbing my naan
19:33 <@cryptic1> mostly at felda's moms
19:34 < user-and-abuser> to make sandmaches?
19:34 < felda> thank god someone has to change those 15 litterboxes each day
19:34 < asimon> .yt ron jeremy laying pipe album
19:34 < user-and-abuser> laying pipe on the daily is good for the heart
19:34 < asimon> He actually released a music album of all the funky music in his videos
19:34 < asimon> they're pretty good
19:34 < gnupluslinux> This is why i hate video games
19:35 < gnupluslinux> Cause it appeals to the male fantasy
19:35 < bmurt> cryptic1: back to being a neckbeard in your parents basement watching anime in your whitey tighties
19:35 < bmurt> we'll cuddle later
19:35 <@cryptic1> bmurt, LOL
19:36 < ihre> gitlab is weird, http://ix.io/1bbz :x
19:37 < ekaj> .bofh
19:38 < int0x1C8> ihre is this hacking me
19:39 <@cryptic1> ihre, stop haxing its not allowed
19:39 < ihre> int0x1C8: yes, you'll definitely get the stuxnets
19:39 <@cryptic1> against channel rules
19:40 < int0x1C8> good... gooood...
19:40 < ihre> cryptic1: i hope you get a virus, you and your computer
19:40 < int0x1C8> brb pouring penicillin on my SDD
19:41 < bmurt> gitlab is decent
19:41 < bmurt> try using codecommit
19:41 < bmurt> talk about shit
19:41 < bmurt> or stash from atlassian
19:42 < shanth> we use stash
19:42 < ihre> https://i.imgur.com/VEZumEv.jpg
19:42 < shanth> it's pretty alright
19:42 < bmurt> even worse,  bamboo from atlassian
19:42 < shanth> eventually you realize all things are bad
19:42 < bmurt> granted bamboo isn't version control
19:42 < shanth> even hello world has no features
19:42 < bmurt> but it's still a pile of shit in a different category
19:43 < Heresiarch> bmurt: be fair. Most dedicated CI/CD apps are horrific in some way or another.
19:43 < bmurt> ill take jenkins over bamboo any day of the week
19:43 < ihre> 'we'll fix ALL YOUR SHIT, but we have over 9000 bugs so please bear with us'
19:43 < shanth> our current windows admin said he used to be a high school janitor. said the only difference was the janitor cleaned up shit at night while the windows admin cleans shit all day
19:44 < ihre> example-mock_spec.yaml: found 1 matching files heujjj
19:44 < ihre> now the next one, does it allow a wildcard ? :D
19:44 < shanth> heujjj sounds like a word trump would say
19:44 < shanth> heujjjj things are coming
19:45 < felda> anyone else always stand while wiping?
19:45 < int0x1C8> YEUJJJ
19:45 < shanth> lol felda
19:45 < shanth> you taking dumps at the urinal?
19:45 < ihre> shanth: make gitlab great again
19:45 < shanth> that must be a nightmare to clean up
19:45 < shanth> call the windows admin
19:48 < int0x1C8> blast it with piss
19:48 < shanth> today is definitely do nothing and sit on irc all day
19:48 < shanth> working on the same thing about almost 2 weeks straight
19:49 < int0x1C8> troof
19:49 < shanth> just gonna listen to the pirates of the carribean soundtrack with the lights off
19:49 < int0x1C8> half the office left at lunch for their memorial day vacations
19:50 < shanth> sounds like read only wed-fri int0x1C8
19:51 < int0x1C8> yep
19:52 <+orderchaos> I'm taking off Thurs-Friday too, but I'm working memorial day
19:52 <+orderchaos> taking a trip to LA this weekend
19:52 < gnupluslinux> Sup orderchaos
19:52 < gnupluslinux> La the city or la the state
19:53 <+orderchaos> city
19:53 < int0x1C8> oh rofl I was like "los angeles the state?... what"
19:53 < Sousapro> I'm on vacation right now but it's like the first time I've taken a vacation on a normal holiday in years
19:54 < gnupluslinux> Fun any plans for LA?
19:54 < gnupluslinux> I'm in oc so might be we can grab drinks
19:55 < int0x1C8> lots of yoga and froyo
19:55 < giant_it_burrit> and not shaving
19:55 <+orderchaos> Going to a wedding, friend of my GF that I have never met.
19:55 <+orderchaos> Probably gonna go to universal park on friday
19:55 < gnupluslinux> Hey now, theyre shaving
19:55 <+orderchaos> I think the wedding is in OC gnupluslinux
19:55 < gnupluslinux> Its just the sides of the head
19:56 < gnupluslinux> orderchaos glhf
19:56 < gnupluslinux> Should be nice this weekend, been pretty cloudy and i dont see much of it burning off
19:57 <+orderchaos> cool, if you want to grab a drink, I get there tomorrow afternoon and don't have plans for thursday
19:57 < int0x1C8> by drinks he means GONNA TAKE YOU TO A GAY BAR GAY BAR GAY BAR
19:57 < gnupluslinux> I said all that but kinda kidding. Im heading out early friday, like 3am, fkr big sur and cominf back monday
19:57 < gnupluslinux> Oh sweet yeah i can do thursday
19:58 <+orderchaos> int0x1C8: so long as I can bring my girlfirend I'm fine with that :)
19:58 < gnupluslinux> What area are you in
19:58 < int0x1C8> I haven't listened to electric 6 in a while
19:58 <+orderchaos> Hotel is in anaheim
19:59 < gnupluslinux> Pm me the hotel? Maybe ill just meet you guys at the hotel so you dont gotta fuck around with driving
19:59 <+orderchaos> sure
20:00 < gnupluslinux> Using androirc. Tryna figure out pm works on this darn thing
20:01 < gnupluslinux> Ah hold on. Got +g for some reason
20:02 < vinrock> AT THE GAY BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
20:02 <@JollyRgrs> cryptic1: back to work!
20:02 < vinrock> AT THE GAY BAAAR
20:02 <@cryptic1> D:
20:03 < vinrock> int0x1C8 that fuckin song is gona be stuck in my head for weeks now
20:03 < int0x1C8> ur welcom
20:05 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: get a job
20:05 < JFDkthx> int0x1C8: no ur whale cum
20:05 < cantibot> guys
20:05 < cantibot> rizon is DIRTY
20:05 < cantibot> like GUTTER GUTTER
20:05 < cantibot> 3 of the 10 top channels are 8chan related XD
20:06 < JFDkthx> vinrock: lets start a war
20:06 < JFDkthx> START A NUCLEAR WAR
20:06 < JFDkthx> AT THE GAY BAR GAY BAR GAY BAR
20:06 < JFDkthx> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
20:06 < vinrock> I WANNA SPEND ALL YOUR MONEY
20:06 < cantibot> wooow
20:06 < cantibot> bringing it back!
20:07 < vinrock> <clap clap>
20:07 < vinrock> <clap>
20:08 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: i think you need to listen to the mexican thong song
20:09 < vinrock> holy shit how have i never heard this
20:10 < vinrock> that was pretty wonderful
20:11 < cantibot> like tarzan like king kong like what the fuck is he on
20:11 < cantibot> lol
20:11 < Rhaal> Dear diary,
20:12 < ebol4> i'm on a mexican whoooaaa-ohhhh thongioooo
20:12 < Rhaal> Today I realized that a cron running with 0-24,30/2 */1 * * * could turn Santa into the Devil
20:13 < cantibot> Turn Hari Krishna into a BADMAN!
20:13 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: yet so wonderful at teh same time
20:13 <@JollyRgrs> bla-dap bla-dap
20:16 <@JollyRgrs> lol
20:17 <@JollyRgrs> windows store... twitter app is rated M Mature 17+
20:17 <@JollyRgrs> i get why, i just find it funny
20:17 < ebol4> that's cuz i'm on there
20:17 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: what do i have to license for sccm?
20:18 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: the clients (either workstations or servers, whatever you are using it for)
20:18 <@JollyRgrs> and i think the OS license for the server
20:18 < giant_it_burrit> if everything has a windows license
20:18 < giant_it_burrit> i need cals for all?
20:18 < giant_it_burrit> and the one server?
20:19 <@JollyRgrs> the server it is installed on... only if you are going to manage that, itself, with SCCM (i suggest highly NOT TO)
20:20 < giant_it_burrit> whys that?
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> https://it.slashdot.org/story/14/05/17/051214/emory-university-sccm-server-accidentally-reformats-all-computers-campus-wide
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> By the time this was discovered the SCCM server had managed to repartition and reformat itself
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> there are more checks in place to not let this accidentally happen
20:24 < Robbles> soooooo does anyone have some tips for translating PCI DSS requirements into real world
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> Robbles: use invisible ink for all records stored
20:24 < Robbles> JollyRgrs: I would if I could, but the rest of the company would kill me
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> lol
20:25 < Robbles> apparently we're getting dinged by NCR for something and they wouldn't tell us what
20:26 < PrincessZoey> oh my god binging with Babish's new kitchen is OMFG *drool* worthy
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> ok, so we all know there's a gov plan for zombie attack
20:26 < Heresiarch> Robbles: encrypt all CC data in-flight and at-rest. Have policies in place, especially around access and user accounts.
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> https://www.scribd.com/doc/223872345/CONPLAN-8888
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> what i didn't know is the picture they used in the document
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> as a zombie supporter, i'm highly offended that they would use this image
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> it is largely NOT representative of all the zomebie-kinds
20:28 < Heresiarch> Robbles: keep your shit up to date. If you have a Win2003 box floating around that might access CC data (or anything connected to something that might access CC data), you have failed.
20:28 <@JollyRgrs> it'd be like putting someone with severe retardation on the cover of a book about living humans
20:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> any of you guys use Bell Fibe?
20:30 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: not enough RRRRRRRRRRRRRRR for this pirate
20:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol JollyRgrs
20:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> sales guy just came to my door
20:31 < asimon> Is it friday yet
20:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> 300Mbps symmetrical fibre, unlimited.  Fibe TV and home phone...all for $125 a month
20:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i can get gigabit for $40 more
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> i got gigabit, symetric, for $80/mo with ATT
20:32 < Nightcinder> but why do you want tv and phone?
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: exactly
20:32 < Nightcinder> and yeah i have gigabit fiber for $80
20:32 < AnimalFarmPig> shower thought-- Saying you're going to run containers and then running Docker is like saying you're switching to Linux and buying an Android phone
20:33 <@JollyRgrs> also, phone (at least in US) has many hidden costs in taxes
20:33 < rhqq> hah
20:33 < rhqq> true
20:33 < asimon> Wait yall have gigabit for *0
20:33 < asimon> 80
20:33 < dragonfleas> guys
20:33 < dragonfleas> i need help
20:33 < asimon> I get 100 for 60
20:33 < dragonfleas> completely out of space on exchange server
20:33 < rhqq> asimon: no, i have unlimited LTE 250mbit
20:33 < dragonfleas> no room on any hard drives or anything
20:33 < dragonfleas> hard drive that contained mailbox database is completely full
20:34 < felda> Last I heard JollyRgrs was running for Mayor of Disneyland
20:34 < dragonfleas> it dismounted the database and is now saying it's inaccessible
20:34 < dragonfleas> i don't know what to do
20:34 < rhqq> tell them you quit :)
20:34 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
20:34 <+AnonymooseReddtr> prepare 3 envelopes
20:34 < rhqq> haha
20:34 <+AnonymooseReddtr> when was the last time you did any backups
20:34 < rhqq> this!
20:34 <+AnonymooseReddtr> on the exchange server
20:35 <+AnonymooseReddtr> odds are the exchange database logs are not being truncated
20:35 < Astr0_Belt> Anyone here use a Cisco NGFW in their environment?
20:35 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, is there a way to manually truncate those
20:35 < dragonfleas> there's like 200 gigs worth of logs
20:36 < dragonfleas> E00000000****.log etc
20:36 < dragonfleas> each are 1mb
20:36 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ...
20:36 < felda> . . . dawg
20:36 <+AnonymooseReddtr> no
20:37 <+AnonymooseReddtr> one does not simply manually truncate exchange logs
20:37 < felda> ya dun fucked up
20:37 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you need to run a backup with an exchange aware backup tool (for example Windows Backup)
20:37 < felda> why not clear temp files?
20:37 <+AnonymooseReddtr> also
20:37 < dragonfleas> feld
20:37 < ebol4> v(*u*)v bark bark
20:37 < dragonfleas> felda, what temp files?
20:37 <+AnonymooseReddtr> felda makes a good point, if this server is also a CAS you might have some IIS logs
20:37 < felda> Windows Updates?
20:37 < felda> for one
20:37 < dragonfleas> exchange mailbox is on separate harddrive
20:37 < dragonfleas> that hard drive is full
20:37 < felda> ooof
20:38 < AnimalFarmPig> just run windows "disk clean-up" on the drive. What could go wrong?
20:38 < felda> uhhhh good luck?
20:38 <+AnonymooseReddtr> backup :)
20:38 <+AnonymooseReddtr> backup will truncate the logs
20:39 <+AnonymooseReddtr> seriously though if you don't know what to do open a support case with MS
20:39 <+AnonymooseReddtr> it doesn't sound like you have backups, or a clue.
20:40 <+AnonymooseReddtr> both of those things can spell disaster for exchange
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: have you tried plugging in a usb flash drive to expand the disk size?
20:40 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Also you may want to move to O365
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> if not... i would not recommend
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr++
20:40 < AnimalFarmPig> or Google Suite. What could go wrong?
20:40 <+AnonymooseReddtr> JollyRgrs makes a very good point - USB drive, backup to it
20:40 <+AnonymooseReddtr> done
20:41 < dragonfleas> i have a usb hard drive plugged into it
20:41 < dragonfleas> can i just move the mailbox storage to it temporarily?
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> i hate waiting for hair to grow sometimes
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: you'd really not want to
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> USB storage is so slow
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> OMG it would be so slow
20:42 < dragonfleas> how do i exchange backup to usb drive?
20:42 <@JollyRgrs> not to mention you'd not have it raided or any other ways backed up
20:42 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ...
20:42 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dude are you getting paid for this?
20:42 <+AnonymooseReddtr> like, not trying to be an ass
20:43  * JollyRgrs hands dragonfleas first aid kit
20:43 < dragonfleas> i have like little to no exchange experience
20:43 < dragonfleas> sole-role
20:43 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and I'm trying to help here...  but we will not do your job for you
20:43 < dragonfleas> no one to escalate to
20:43 <@JollyRgrs> TO THE GOOGLES!
20:43 < dragonfleas> emergency, whole org is blowing my phone up
20:43 <+AnonymooseReddtr> do you have any experience?
20:43 < dragonfleas> only with O365....
20:43 <@JollyRgrs> do you have any MSFT support hours?
20:43 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: call MS and open a support case.
20:43 < dragonfleas> never on-prem exchange
20:43 < felda> dragonfleas this could be you https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8lkpzj/helpnetwork_penetrated_all_vms_are_down_backups/
20:43 < dragonfleas> we don't have money to pay MS for support
20:44 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: do you have money to get email working?
20:44 <@JollyRgrs> how much money do yo uahve for IRC support?
20:44 < dragonfleas> boss is going to be pissed if i'm not capable
20:44 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: are you?
20:44 < dragonfleas> i'll wing it lol
20:44 < giant_it_burrit> they are already pissed
20:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ...
20:44 < giant_it_burrit> do they want it fixed
20:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> WHat version of exchange?
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and approximately how big is your database?
20:45 < AnimalFarmPig> dragonfleas: install adobe reader on her laptop. You are IT.
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> You will need roughly 1.5-2x the size of the database
20:45 < dragonfleas> can i use eseutil to check the state of the mailbox
20:45 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: also, we'll need 5 nudes of your mom, all different angles, pls
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> no
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> well
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> yes
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you can
20:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> but there is no point right now?
20:45 < dragonfleas> mailbox database is 400 gig
20:46 < giant_it_burrit> what did i miss
20:46 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: and google ultron?
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Exchange did its job
20:46 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: if you're asking this sort of question, then you aren't capable (for this particular situation). The fastest way for your org to get back up and running is to suck in your pride and call the vendor for help.
20:46 < dragonfleas> 200 gig of it is the logs
20:46 < giant_it_burrit> whats not working
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ok
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> yes, and google ultron
20:46 <@JollyRgrs> we need to put ultron on the usb stick
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> it's what NASA uses
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Get a 2TB USB drive - Run windows server backup
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> windows server backup is exchange aware
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> it will take some time but will do a full backup fo the DB and will cleanly truncate the logs
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ seems reasonable
20:46 < dragonfleas> it's a server 2003 r2 server...
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> hahahaha
20:46 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: and how much does windows server backup cost?
20:46 <+AnonymooseReddtr> what version of exchange?
20:46 <@JollyRgrs> oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
20:46 < dragonfleas> is NT backup exchange aware?
20:47 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Windows server backup is FREE
20:47 <@JollyRgrs> exchange97
20:47 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: ding ding
20:47 < Heresiarch> ...ok, I stand corrected. The fastest way to get back up and running won't involve MS.
20:47 < dragonfleas> it's exchange 2007
20:47 <+AnonymooseReddtr> yes NTbackup is exchange aware
20:47 < dragonfleas> ok
20:47 < dragonfleas> i'll run an NT backup
20:47 < felda> maybe you'll have to expand your dong
20:47 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ... then you need to run them regularly
20:47 < felda> i mean storage
20:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and plan to move to O365
20:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Exchange 2007 is way EOL
20:48 < dragonfleas> i'm running disk cleanup
20:48 < dragonfleas> first
20:48 <@JollyRgrs> while doing that, go ahead and spin up a win2k adv. server and install domino
20:48 < dragonfleas> apparently it can save some space?
20:48 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: hold up there, Satan.
20:48 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: what?
20:48  * JollyRgrs looks behind himself
20:48 <@JollyRgrs> who? me?
20:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> bah
20:48 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: dude's in enough pain already. He don't need more. XD
20:49 <@JollyRgrs> lol
20:49 <@JollyRgrs> he'd get more sympathy though
20:49 < Heresiarch> true.
20:50 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas - disk cleanup will clean up the C: drive
20:50 <+AnonymooseReddtr> doubtful it will do much with your exchange db
20:50 < giant_it_burrit> dragonfleas: what they are trying to say is you are in over your head because everything is out of date
20:51 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Also - whatever you do do NOT delete any of those log files
20:51 <@JollyRgrs> http://freakonomics.com/2012/01/20/are-pirate-ransoms-tax-deductible/
20:51 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you might think "its just a log"....
20:51 < giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: is that a yes or a no
20:51 < Astr0_Belt> Logs R Lyfe.
20:51 < giant_it_burrit> save me the read
20:51 <@JollyRgrs> yes
20:51 < Astr0_Belt> SIEM.
20:51 < giant_it_burrit> huzzah
20:52 <+AnonymooseReddtr> seriously though if you can't get past that... then call in an expert
20:52 <+AnonymooseReddtr> money or not
20:52 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i hear JollyRgrs works cheap
20:52 <+AnonymooseReddtr> me not so much :) but thats because I know what i'm doing lol
20:52 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas > https://www.pluralsight.com/blog/it-ops/backup-exchange-server-2007
20:53 < Nightcinder> Walt Disney Company already has a $52.4 billion all-stock deal to buy the 21st Century Fox properties. But Comcast was rumored to be lining up $60 billion in financing in order to make a hostile bid for the Fox assets, and Comcast's announcement today confirms it.
20:53 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: ha... for exchange issues? i've never even logged onto a server running exchange before
20:53 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
20:53 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: that's old news (like 2 weeks or so)...
20:53 <+AnonymooseReddtr> apparentely neither has dragonfleas
20:53 <+AnonymooseReddtr> :D
20:53 < Nightcinder> it's todays news
20:53 < Nightcinder> because they announced it today
20:53 <@JollyRgrs> or is it now official?
20:53 <@JollyRgrs> ah
20:54 < Nightcinder> comcast would own 60% of hulu
20:54 < dragonfleas> NTbackup is not working at all
20:54 < Nightcinder> which means it'd be dead
20:54 <@JollyRgrs> AnonymooseReddtr: difference... i'm only in charge of people who know WTF they are doing on on-prem and o365 so i'm not expected to know this much
20:54 < JFDkthx> is comcast owned by vulvacom or whatever.
20:54 < dragonfleas> won't let me save a .bkf anywhere
20:54 < JFDkthx> viacom
20:54 <@JollyRgrs> JFDkthx: comcast/universal
20:54 <@JollyRgrs> /nbc
20:54 <@JollyRgrs> all 1 company now
20:55 < JFDkthx> im glad my only source for news is IRL streams on twitch
20:55 < JFDkthx> and felda
20:55 <@JollyRgrs> viacom owns paramount
20:55 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: start a gofundme for microsoft support
20:55 < JFDkthx> i'll donate 1 dollar
20:55 < felda> JFDkthx Ben Shapiro streams on twitch?
20:56 <@JollyRgrs> JFDkthx: damn
20:56 < Astr0_Belt> A-KO: If you're around, I shot you a PM.
20:56 < felda> I watch the Pakman show
20:56 < felda> and a few other YouTube news shows
20:56 < alazare619> man i wish i had the horsepower to run nutanix
20:57 <+AnonymooseReddtr> hehe JollyRgrs
20:57 <+AnonymooseReddtr> JollyRgrs yeah yeah i hear you man
20:57 <+AnonymooseReddtr> some days i feel pretty stu pid
20:58 < JFDkthx> s/horse/brain
20:58 < abakedapplepie> did you guys know disney is trying to buy fox?
20:58 < abakedapplepie> why is the government allowing so many massive media companies to merge
20:58 < abakedapplepie> i dont get it
20:59 < vinrock> that's been the norm for decades
20:59 < vinrock> hopefully it eventually is put to a halt
20:59 < abakedapplepie> i doubt it
20:59 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: regulation is the debil (/s)
20:59 < JFDkthx> isnt all nutanix shit on their own hardware
20:59 < JFDkthx> what horsepower do you need
20:59 < alazare619> JFDkthx:  no nutanix has a CE edition
20:59 < abakedapplepie> like, how long ago was it now when bell was split up
20:59 < vinrock> nutanix sounds like some yuppie granola bar brand you ca only get at whole foods
20:59 < JFDkthx> fukkin rebranded dell shit anyway
20:59 < alazare619> can be ran on anything
20:59 <+AnonymooseReddtr> nutanix will run on dell
20:59 < abakedapplepie> and theyve spent the last 40 years recombining into the same company aain
21:00 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: no. You can run AHV anywhere. It's mainly KVM with a bunch of their own sugar on top.
21:00 < vinrock> look at the media companies
21:00 < vinrock> news companies
21:00 < vinrock> how right now there is a massive monopoly on radio stations that is compeltely agaist the word of the law
21:00 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: we have it here in the wintel side of the house. i dont touch it.
21:00 < alazare619> just the CVM requires 16GB of ram but it manages nutanix's own acropolis (KVM) hypervisor, google cloud, amazon cloud, esxi, xenserver,
21:00 < abakedapplepie> we need a three teir system for content consumption
21:00 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:00 < abakedapplepie> it works for beer
21:00 < alazare619> but god damn it has all the metrics  and the clustering is fantastic
21:01 <+AnonymooseReddtr> its pretty cool
21:01 < Heresiarch> vinrock: it really isn't. The laws have been modified to allow greater concentration of media ownership for the past...I want to say, 15-20 years.
21:01 <+AnonymooseReddtr> the only complaint i have with nutanix is how it scales
21:01 <+AnonymooseReddtr> in my enviornment
21:01 <+AnonymooseReddtr> my storage requirements are WAY higher than compute
21:01 < Hempux> Hey team
21:01 < alazare619> are you using the integrated clustering storage pool?
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> I'm not using nutanix
21:02 < JFDkthx> AnonymooseReddtr: from my coworker his main complaint is you cant access the backups through anything else but their shit.
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> we're running hyperv actually
21:02 < alazare619> oh
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i evaluated nutanix
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> but to get 150TB of storage
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i needed a massive amount of compute
21:02 < alazare619> you dont have to
21:02 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and a massive budget
21:02 < JFDkthx> ++
21:02 < alazare619> you can use the CVM prism console to point it to a central iscsi
21:03 <+AnonymooseReddtr> oh
21:03 < Heresiarch> Massive budget, yes. But Nutanix also introduced storage-only nodes.
21:03  * aName curses DNS propagation time
21:03 <+AnonymooseReddtr> well i just did my infrastructure refresh for less than $200k so
21:03 < aName> UPDATE THE DAMN TXT RECORD
21:03 < aName> *ahem*
21:03 <+AnonymooseReddtr> aName rule number 1 - set low TTL
21:03 <+AnonymooseReddtr> THEN make your change :)
21:03 < aName> AnonymooseReddtr: I set one minute
21:03 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: does that defeat the purpose of having geoseperated backups.
21:03 <+AnonymooseReddtr> oh ok
21:04 < alazare619> JFDkthx: thats true about its backup but they now have the ability since nutanix does SMB/CIFS and NFS to export the backups to those types of shares and get them
21:04 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: only if you architect the infra poorly.
21:04 < aName> AnonymooseReddtr: I'm using it as auth to get a wildcard cert from letsencrypt and it's taking too long lol
21:04 < alazare619> man i want a job where i can use nutanix everything i read and see it looks vunderfulll!
21:04 <+AnonymooseReddtr> neat
21:04 <+AnonymooseReddtr> hehe alazare619
21:05 < DomLS3> any excel gurus in here
21:05 < alazare619> sadly my homelab isnt beefy enough to get to use it :(
21:05 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas - how goes your disk cleanup? get a few hundred KB back...
21:05 < JFDkthx> DomLS3: i know how to highlight duplicates by color
21:05 < aName> The box we actually want it for doesn't have certbot in the repos, so I'm doing it from another one because the docker container offered keeps throwing an EOF error like it's feeding into stdin when it's asking me what options I want
21:05 < DomLS3> JFDkthx: kys
21:05 < JFDkthx> does that make me a guru?
21:06 < Heresiarch> aName: your own-controlled DNS, or are you using a service?
21:09 < aName> Heresiarch: Namecheap. Don't have time to spin up my own at the moment
21:09 < aName> Heresiarch: Starting to wish I had
21:09 < Heresiarch> aName: there's a certbot plugin for route53 DNS...just sayin'.
21:10 < aName> Heresiarch: Is that route53?
21:10 < aName> Oh that's amazon's thing
21:10 < Heresiarch> ...?
21:10 < aName> I wasn't familiar with it
21:10 < alazare619> theres a certbot plugin for ALOT of DNS providers without having to have port 443 exposed etc
21:10 < alazare619> namecheap is not one of them as they require you pay hundreds of dollars a year for "api" access
21:11 < aName> Ah.
21:11 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, NTbackup is failing backup with a strange error message
21:11 < aName> At any rate, I'm trying this approach because it's more generally applicable to the case I actually want to use it for
21:11 < dragonfleas> wanna see the error?
21:11 < aName> I'm just trying to figure out how this all works
21:11 < aName> I'm just annoyed with the propagation delay
21:12 < alazare619> aName:  https://github.com/Neilpang/acme.sh scroll down to the automatic section
21:12 < Heresiarch> should only be such for updating an existing record, not creating a new one.
21:12 <+AnonymooseReddtr> uhm, sure imgur it i guess
21:13 < aName> Heresiarch: It is a new record - should I expect that to take longer?
21:13 < gnupluslinux> Certbor plugin for... dns providers?
21:13 < Heresiarch> aName: no, shorter. There's no caching on new records.
21:13 < gnupluslinux> I thought it was a server side thing for doing the acme challenge
21:14 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: can do both. Wildcards with LE require using the DNS challenge, rather than TLS/HTTP.
21:14 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, https://pastebin.com/6xS6bVnt
21:14 < gnupluslinux> Ah i dont fuck with wildcards
21:14 < alazare619> gnupluslinux:  doesnt have to be wildcard
21:15 <+AnonymooseReddtr> hmm
21:15 < alazare619> the dns challenge just uses api to post a txt record
21:15 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i wonder if that is because the information store service is stopped
21:15 < alazare619> if it finds the txt record it will then verify and generate a new cert
21:15 < alazare619> and if an a record doesnt exist in dns it will optionally do that as well
21:15 < gnupluslinux> alazare619 but why tho?
21:15 < alazare619> why not?
21:15 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, i think so, i think i might need to get the database in a clean shutdown state
21:15 < alazare619> its just 1 other way to get automatic ssl certificate generation
21:16 < Heresiarch> gnupluslinux: boxes that aren't exposed to the net, wildcards, etc.
21:16 < alazare619> not everyone wants 443 exposed just for LE
21:16 < alazare619> cant begin to tell you how many services i want with proper ssl certs that dont run on 443 etc and if i dont have to expose 1 more port on my nat i dont want to
21:16 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, when i tried to run an eseutil on it
21:16 < dragonfleas> it reports that the database is corrupt
21:16 < gnupluslinux> Unexposed boxes i can see
21:17 < gnupluslinux> I just proxy everything else through nginx
21:17 < alazare619> not all services proxy properly
21:17 < alazare619> to name a few 1 would be proxmox another would be ubiquiti edge router
21:17 < alazare619> they dont proxy well they can but certain aspects of their webui dont function
21:17 <+AnonymooseReddtr> oh
21:17 <+AnonymooseReddtr> damn
21:17 <+AnonymooseReddtr> if its corrupt
21:17 < gnupluslinux> True
21:18 < gnupluslinux> I had a hell of a tine proxying proxmox
21:18 < abakedapplepie> you can proxy the letsencrypt verification
21:18 < gnupluslinux> Same with opennebula
21:18 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ok
21:18 <+AnonymooseReddtr> so
21:18 <+AnonymooseReddtr> heres the thing dragonfleas
21:18 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i would seriously recomend calling MS
21:18 < alazare619> so if you can run LE on the box locally and let it just call an api with a wget of sort to generate a txt record and then verify its existence that you own said domain boom you have a proper ssl cert on proxmox now without any tunneling/proxying etc
21:18 <+AnonymooseReddtr> seriously
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> if the database is dirty
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> that is NOT good
21:19 < alazare619> and it will forever update long as your api key doesnt change
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> BUT
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> if you want to get things "online" so you can deal with the mess
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you can do what is called a dial tone restore
21:19 < gnupluslinux> Maybe ill check it out. Would like to kill my internal ca if i could and run unexposed boxes through LE since thats usually already installed
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you create a dial tone database (blank database with all users)
21:19 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and then you deal with your fucked db offline
21:19 < abakedapplepie> whats even better is if you want to secure something that already uses 443
21:19 < abakedapplepie> :|
21:20 < ebol4> they got this thing called dns challenge
21:20 < catbeard> and DoH
21:20 < abakedapplepie> i need a better dns provider
21:20 < abakedapplepie> so i can do that
21:20 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, i can't call MS about a 2003 r2 server
21:20 < gnupluslinux> Most anything what already uses 443 will proxy through nginx easily enough tho
21:20 < catbeard> abakedapplepie: CloudFlare does DNS free
21:20 < abakedapplepie> with api access
21:20 < abakedapplepie> ?
21:20 < catbeard> and 443 ssl reverse proxy
21:20 < catbeard> yes muy api
21:20 < abakedapplepie> hmm
21:21 < catbeard> you can't use the enterprise api features but
21:21 < catbeard> that's not on www.cloudflare.com anyway
21:21 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ok
21:21 <+AnonymooseReddtr> then call a third party?
21:21 < catbeard> no i mean
21:21 <+AnonymooseReddtr> do you have a trusted reseller you use?
21:21 < catbeard> their free accounts
21:21 < catbeard> allow you to use the api
21:21 < catbeard> you just can't use the api for enterprise features unless you have an enterprise account
21:22 < catbeard> my $dayjob is a CF BGP partner
21:22 < catbeard> we can do w/e the fuck we want
21:22 < catbeard> we can give away Railgun free if we want
21:23 < catbeard> abakedapplepie: usually our solution is to fix the problem that requires it being put on CF, then put it on CF to speed up everything else
21:23 < aName> alazare619: Good stuff - seems to actually run on that box instead of being weird about it lol
21:24 < aName> alazare619: And then my boss tells me I can't open inbound 443
21:24 < aName> Soooo
21:24 < catbeard> aName: CloudFlare warp / ngrok
21:24 < aName> At least I learned something
21:24 < catbeard> problem solved
21:24 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, i got it into a clean shutdown state
21:24 < alazare619> yea my homelab moved over to LE with single use certs via dns challenge awhile ago
21:24 < catbeard> why open ports when you can proxy off someone elses lol
21:24 < dragonfleas> maybe now I can mount it and back it up
21:25 < felda> judge rules that cryptic1 can't block people on IRC or he would be violating the 1st amendment
21:25 < aName> alazare619: I just got hardware for a homelab last week
21:25 < aName> alazare619: So I'm learning
21:25 <+AnonymooseReddtr> wtf
21:25 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ok
21:25 <+AnonymooseReddtr> gents
21:25 <+AnonymooseReddtr> anyoen know where I can find JRE7?
21:25 < shanth> that feel where you explore 13 different tools which don't do exactly what you need them to do and all come with strange drawbacks and you have to ultimately write your own tool
21:26 <@cryptic1> AnonymooseReddtr, I don't even want to know why
21:26 < aName> Oh I'm a dumbass lol
21:26 <+AnonymooseReddtr> emc unisphere only supports certain versions of java
21:26 < aName> I set the txt record using the fqdn
21:26 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: i need to know if #rsa is complying with new GDPR regulations
21:26 < aName> That... would do it
21:26 < JFDkthx> wheres my opt in email for loot boxes
21:26 < catbeard> lolz
21:26 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, thank you so much for your help
21:26 < dragonfleas> it's working
21:26 < dragonfleas> i love you
21:27 < dragonfleas> can i give you reddit gold
21:27 < aName> shanth: Been there, done that
21:27 < JFDkthx> send him a starbucks giftcard
21:27 <+AnonymooseReddtr> seriously dude - you need to backup that database and clear out the log files
21:27 < JFDkthx> thats what i did for rkeene when he called me to fix gtk
21:27 <+AnonymooseReddtr> otherwise you'll be in a shite state again tomorrow
21:27 < shanth> at this point there's no other option than to be cheeky and called it 'yet another xyz tool' aName
21:27 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, that's what i'm doing right now
21:27 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Also - don't get me reddit gold. donate the money to a childrens charity or something
21:27 < JFDkthx> st jude!
21:27 < dragonfleas> ok i will do that
21:28 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you want to do something? donate $10 to the shriners hospital for children
21:28 < dragonfleas> what charity should i donate to
21:28 < dragonfleas> ok i'll do that right now
21:28 < JFDkthx> shriners is also great
21:28 <+AnonymooseReddtr> heh
21:28  * AnonymooseReddtr is a shriner
21:28 <+AnonymooseReddtr> and my late son was a patient of theirs
21:28 < shanth> pretty cool that all the guys in this chatroom with the +'s are the reddit sysadmins
21:28 < catbeard> i avoid donating to religious charities
21:28 < ebol4> st jude sent me those return address labels with my name on it, but they say "ms" instead of "mr"
21:28 < catbeard> only because i know other (local) charities that actually make a difference
21:28 < JFDkthx> had a neice that was in a bad way. st jude took care of her and her family for several months
21:28 < JFDkthx> well
21:29 < JFDkthx> half sisters half brothers daughter
21:29 < catbeard> better than "hey check out our new rec room and tennis table at our church"
21:29 < JFDkthx> quarter neice
21:29 < catbeard> or "our deacon just got back from Maldives, thanks to you chumps"
21:29 < JFDkthx> shanth: had a coworker ask what i was doing, said i was on the reddist sysadmin irc. "OH WOW YOU WORK FOR REDDIT AND HERE?"
21:30 < JFDkthx> n-no
21:30 < shanth> hahhah
21:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> catbeard - depends that rec room or tennis table? might be helping get kids off the street into a safe environment
21:30 < shanth> you should have also called it a chatroom like i do JFDkthx
21:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> minister buying a jet? fuck you ...
21:30 < catbeard> let's be real
21:30 < catbeard> i mean Creflo Dollar, Joel Osteen..
21:30 < catbeard> shall I go on..
21:30 < shanth> creflo dollar is literally a pimps name
21:31 < catbeard> you don't need a mansion to preach your lies
21:31 < Heresiarch> AnonymooseReddtr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-rfCnW5VlE
21:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
21:31 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, https://i.imgur.com/VwoCPrq.png
21:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> catbeard i certainly agree with you there mano
21:31 < dragonfleas> <3
21:31 < shanth> Learn the purpose and power of biblical submission according to the Word of God!
21:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas... dude thats awesome
21:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> thank you
21:32 < dragonfleas> i told you i would
21:32 < catbeard> shanth: yeah.. mind control for the masses, preying on those with weak minds, and a sense of guilt
21:32 < Hatter> who is the guy in here who got fired today?
21:33 < shanth> yeah mac's are awful catbeard
21:33 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, right as i did that, the backup failed and the database dirty dismounted again.......................
21:33 < dragonfleas> i'm going to die
21:33 < shanth> someone got fired today?
21:33 < catbeard> READ MY FAX
21:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ugh that... sucks dragon
21:33 < abakedapplepie> dragonfleas: donate again, you need more karma
21:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> hahahah abakedapplepie
21:33 < dragonfleas> true abakedapplepie
21:33 < shanth> probably spending too much time in this chatroom
21:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas in all seriousness when you run eseutil against the db
21:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> what does it say the last full backup date is?
21:35 < shanth> so we just switched to reiserfs
21:35 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, would it be possible to move the database to the external USB drive after i get it clean again, then back it up to a NAS and then move it back over to the hard drive?
21:35 < jaelae> just disconnected iscsi storage on the wrong server (production i was referencing)
21:35 < jaelae> i need a drink
21:35 <+AnonymooseReddtr> anything is possible but that will take a lot of time
21:36 < dragonfleas> i have to do that, there's no other options
21:36 < dragonfleas> because all other hard drives in server have less than 10 gigs available
21:37 < catbeard> jaelae: no multipath IO?
21:38 < jaelae> i disconnected all paths = thought it was a different server
21:38 < jaelae> but it was thankfully passive node
21:38 < catbeard> herp
21:38 < jaelae> aderp
21:38 < catbeard> remember back in the day, you'd ssh in, and all you saw was "server# "
21:38 < catbeard> things were simple
21:39 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas how many mailboxes do you have
21:39 < shanth> back in my day when i ssh'd in it said fbi
21:39 < shanth> good ole days
21:39 < catbeard> now it's > root@server.hostname ~/ (master)
21:39 < JFDkthx> shanth: this is a chatroom
21:40 < JFDkthx> dont listen to hatter
21:40 < corn266> Does anyone know where the luks information for booting is stored? I have a mismatch between the stored UUID and what the UUID is
21:40 < JFDkthx> he's just mad
21:40 < shanth> lol
21:40 < Hatter> what
21:40 < catbeard> corn266: don't use UUIDs
21:40 < catbeard> :)
21:40 < rhqq> who would listen to hatter anyway
21:40 < Hatter> shanth: don't be lead astray by miscreants
21:40 < shanth> i can't tell if AnonymooseReddtr and dragonfleas work together and are troubleshooting an issue over irc
21:40 < catbeard> probably in `cryptosetup luksInfo DEVICE`
21:40 < Hatter> it's too late for simple minded folk, like rhqq
21:40 < corn266> thanks catbeard i'll start using DNS instead
21:40 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas doesnt work at all
21:40 < catbeard> well, use the partition name
21:41 < catbeard> and hope you have a luks header backups
21:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol JFDkthx
21:41 < catbeard> and keyfile for slot 0/1
21:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> shanth no
21:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i definitely do NOT work together
21:41 < corn266> nah i did the luksDump and it's correct for the part, but when it goes to boot it'll look for the wrong UUID
21:41 < JFDkthx> rhqq: the only people that listen to hatter are the other 40 year olds playing planetside 2
21:41 < corn266> oh fuck that's a kernel cmdline param, nevermind
21:41 < JFDkthx> trying to relive their youth
21:41 < catbeard> herp
21:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> my exchange environment maybe only 1 step removed from a dumpster fire but itw orks
21:41 < Hatter> yes I'm trying to relive my youth as a famous Galaxy pilot
21:41 < shanth> now when you log in you see these shenanigans catbeard https://i.imgur.com/pIgLaTp.png
21:42 < JFDkthx> see
21:42 < JFDkthx> thanks for confirming what we already knew hatter
21:42 < JFDkthx> you're delusional
21:42 < Hatter> well that's hard to deny
21:42 < rhqq> =]
21:42 < MadCamel> ew. two-line oh-my-zsh prompt? wasted space!
21:42 <+AnonymooseReddtr> my exchange env. is borked beyond belief but i'm moving to o365 as we speak
21:42 <+AnonymooseReddtr> soon as i fix the fucking calendar sharing
21:42 < catbeard> https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
21:42 < catbeard> this would look good on that
21:43 < shanth> can you fix sharepoint while you're at it AnonymooseReddtr it's running slow
21:43 < JFDkthx> AnonymooseReddtr: im a yoonicks admin and they had me build their skype environment and are talking about having me upgrade our exchange server.
21:43 < JFDkthx> fucking skype is propped up by toothpicks as it is.
21:43 < JFDkthx> i dont wanna fuck with email
21:43 <+AnonymooseReddtr> oh god
21:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> on prem Skype sucks balls
21:44 < rhqq> https://blog.talosintelligence.com/2018/05/VPNFilter.html seen taht?
21:44 < JFDkthx> upgraded from lync 2010
21:44 < catbeard> JFDkthx: sure gimme your passwords and i'll imapsync them to a real MTA
21:44 < JFDkthx> catbeard: get a clearance first.
21:44 < catbeard> i can get the clearance
21:45 < JFDkthx> k, talk to me in 2 years when opm finishes the investigation
21:45 < catbeard> ugh
21:45 < JFDkthx> yeah
21:45 < catbeard> that's about when another 'breach' is due eh
21:45 < Hatter> JFDkthx: you think you'll still be around in 2 years?
21:45 < JFDkthx> in this place?
21:45 < JFDkthx> no
21:45 < Hatter> oh, that wasn't meant to sound like a threat
21:45 < JFDkthx> im probably leaving within a year
21:46 < JFDkthx> unless they move me towards datacenter management instead of pushing me towards devops.
21:46 < catbeard> i need to get a job where i can either A) take out people for money B) take out people WITH money, FOR money
21:46 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: ...you're leaving unless they push you backwards in technology?
21:47 < JFDkthx> catbeard: you can take me out with your money any night of the week
21:47 < catbeard> JFDkthx: i'm already pushed as far as that will go here, but leaning towards automated DC ops
21:47 < Hatter> also it's double xp week for planetside 2 and a great time to jump in!
21:47 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: i would rather be racking servers/switches/worrying about ac/power facilities stuff than sitting behind a computer all day
21:48 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: we've got 6 DCs in my area, and the guy that is managing them all is leaving in 3 months
21:48 < catbeard> not that it takes a lot of skill to be a noc junkie
21:48 < catbeard> done it myself for many yaers
21:48 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: ...k. Does not compute, but you do you fam.
21:49 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch you like building servers in the cloud, i like building servers in racks.
21:49 < catbeard> you like spending 3 hours on things that i spend 20 minutes on
21:49 < gnupluslinux> In the cloud!
21:50 < JFDkthx> catbeard: i would rather be doing that, than letting every jo sysadmin buy random shit, fucking install it upside down
21:50 < catbeard> suppose it's just a matter of time you're willing to devote to something, maybe not neccessarily how long it takes
21:50 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: strewth. But with few exceptions (your current env being one of them...for now), it seems like building in racks has a limited lifetime.
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> shanth: why did you switch to reiser?
21:50 < catbeard> there's plenty to do on and off the noc floor
21:50 < gnupluslinux> I like building in racks for personal stuff
21:51 < gnupluslinux> Prod can be abstracted to someone else cause fuck worrying about failover and resiliency
21:51 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: nah, we're still doing cloud orchestration type stuff. but the demand for on prem isnt going to go away. and at some point the DCs are going to be consolidated and i want to be on the side that decides how thats done.
21:51 < catbeard> failover isn't a dc problem, that's a management problem
21:52 < catbeard> dcs just provide power network and space
21:52 < catbeard> and occassional remote hands / reboot
21:52 < catbeard> they get air conditioning!
21:52 < catbeard> unless you're in Tampa, then you get heat conditioning
21:53 < shanth> joking AnimalFarmPig
21:54 < AnimalFarmPig> shanth: haha, okay. I would have also accepted "I hate my data."
21:54 < AnimalFarmPig> or "Lots of small files... that I hate"
21:55 < gnupluslinux> catbeard true
21:56 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: fair enough
21:56 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: it also doesnt preclude me from managing my environment efficiently.
21:56 < Hatter> Does anyone have any really cool dashboards to share?
21:56 < Hatter> I love a good dashboard
21:56 < JFDkthx> servers are still going to be built, and managed via puppet/ansible.
21:57 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: true, but if you move toward DC ops you'll be less involved in that part of the game.
21:59 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, the backup appears to be working this time, i was able to free up 1 gig
21:59 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: i feel like thats also dependant on the size of the company that you move to as well.
22:00 < dragonfleas> if this fails i'll prepare 3 envelopes
22:00 < JFDkthx> you only need one
22:00 < JFDkthx> "it's all my fault, signed -dragonfles"
22:00 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: not really. If an org is large enough to have a DC ops team, that team is going to be dedicated to HVAC/power/facilities mgmt.
22:00 < dragonfleas> fles
22:00 < dragonfleas> dragonfles
22:00 < JFDkthx> but that certianly isnt the case now
22:01 < JFDkthx> facilities guys dont touch any of our stuff.
22:01 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: u cant run a network, it's to be expected taht you cant spell ur name right.
22:01 < dragonfleas> i'm junior sole-role
22:01 < dragonfleas> it's difficult
22:01 < JFDkthx> granted, im not going to go and put in a new circuit in the floor. they contract that shit out.
22:03 < JFDkthx> i would imagine that, working for a company that is a provider instead of a consumer, i would still be able to experience that side of it.
22:03 < JFDkthx> unless i was strictly devops
22:04 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: nope. Colo houses do network demarc and that's it. After that, it's all facilities mgmt and NOC monkeys. Large orgs with their own DCs either conscript admins into rack/cable, or they have the facilities team do so (more likely for remote hands situations).
22:04 < JFDkthx> oh great
22:05 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: i'll keep that in mind. no reason to let skills rot.
22:07 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: we're an enterprise 30k range, we still dont have a dc ops team. right now it's parted out to managers of regions. and in our region it's further delegated down to one guy
22:07 < Hatter> do I now need an oracle account to download JDK!@
22:07 < Hatter> '4qetr5'
22:07 < JFDkthx> in the*
22:08 < dragonfleas> AnonymooseReddtr, so whenever this NTbackup of the information store finishes, it should have the log files truncated?
22:09 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: part of it also depends on the amount of hardware churn. Your env, I'd bet there's a lot of gear that stays around for yeeeeeears, so rack+stack needs are relatively minimal. When I was working with a large ISP, the facilities team was DC Ops - you'd hand them a ticket with a rack location to install and hw, they'd rack/cable for you - and they got very snippy if you tried to DIY (with good
22:09 < Heresiarch> reason).
22:09 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: i have active 8mm tape drives from the 90s
22:10 < JFDkthx> we decommed our last sun enterprise 450 last fall.
22:10 <+AnonymooseReddtr> dragonfleas yes
22:10 <+AnonymooseReddtr> the log files are what is required by the exchange information store to rebuild the database when it gets shut down in a 'dirty' state
22:10 <+AnonymooseReddtr> a full backup releases those log files
22:10 <+AnonymooseReddtr> so vss will delete them
22:10 < dragonfleas> it's already truncated 8 gigs
22:11 < dragonfleas> thanks for being cool dudes guys
22:11 < dragonfleas> r/sysadmin has saved my life more than once
22:11 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you need to get a proper exchange backup schedule setup
22:11 < JFDkthx> ur whale cum dragonfleas
22:11 <+AnonymooseReddtr> otherwise this will happen again
22:11 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol JFDkthx
22:11 < ihre> so, with all the cool kids running gitlab-ci, which in turn requires privileged=true, isnt that like waiting for the next bomb to explode, kind of like the npm leftpad story but w/ privilege escalation?
22:12 < JFDkthx> have a good night nerds!
22:12 < Heresiarch> ihre: ...since when does the gitlab-ci runner require privileged=true?
22:12 < JFDkthx> except you hatter
22:12 < Hatter> what
22:12 < JFDkthx> i hope the ps2 servers go down
22:12 < asimon> JFDkthx: cya nerd
22:12 < Hatter> but it's double xp night
22:13 < ihre> Heresiarch: well, i should've said privileged=true if youre using a docker dind to build your shit, but i've seen that in a lot of places so far
22:14 < Heresiarch> ihre: that makes more sense.
22:18 < rhqq> test
22:18 < rhqq> ping?
22:19 < Hatter> pong
22:19 < rhqq> ok, my internet works
22:19 < rhqq> thanks
22:19 < ihre> internet is dead, sorry.
22:19 < Hatter> 2AY(*#@yh$(qhgafubbafVG8721GVB132SDH879WQ32UBFUYIDSEF219389@*&#^&#NO CARRIER
22:20 < vinrock> hunterkll you here
22:20 < rhqq> you forgot some AT+cryptic1!backtowork^m
22:20 < vinrock> there's a guy offering 13b isk for a quick powershell script
22:20 < ihre> 13b isk wat
22:21 < vinrock> eve online spacebux
22:21 < Astr0_Belt> ^^ what does he need?
22:21 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't understand why my coworkers build CI/CD pipelines for our Python projects. For most of them, the process for manually updating is `git pull; service <whatever> restart`. By contrast, they spend all this time on CI/CD scripts and it's always breaking or not working how you would expect.
22:21 < vinrock> "search + copy files and rename in case file name is doubled. check if a process is running and ask the user to close the application"
22:21 < Astr0_Belt> meh doubt my googlefu is that good.
22:22 < rhqq> AnimalFarmPig: because there's a very wrong approach to python
22:22 < vinrock> hah
22:22 < rhqq> devops made like a biblical theme out of python
22:22 < DomLS3> still need an excel guru
22:22 < vinrock> goo roo
22:22 < rhqq> while in classical ops all you really need is bash
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> rhqq: how would you prefer to deploy? Set up a private pypi repo?
22:22 < DomLS3> some of you degenerate fucks have to now excel in here
22:22 < vinrock> man im gona forever associate that word with a homosexual marsupial from now on
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, wait, misunderstood
22:23 < vinrock> dom wat you tryn' to do
22:23 < Heresiarch> rhqq: s/bash/cfengine 2.x
22:23 < ihre> noo
22:23 < rhqq> Heresiarch: we're talking about CI not configuration management
22:23 < ihre> bash pls
22:23 < AnimalFarmPig> one of my coworkers added a "build" step to his Python project
22:23 < AnimalFarmPig> the build step is to take three files and cat them together
22:23 < rhqq> xDD
22:23 < rhqq> exactly
22:23 < voidstar> 200 iq play
22:23 < DomLS3> vinrock: I need to compare a string to an array of other strings and return which one closest matches it. Sort of what a vlookup does but kind of in reverse
22:23 < AnimalFarmPig> shit won't work if you don't cat the files together
22:24 < Heresiarch> rhqq: CI/CD ain't just CI, yo.
22:24 < vinrock> in an array and not cells
22:24 < DomLS3> basically, I need to somehow compare/vlookup "Texas Roadhouse #4787784" to "Texas Roadhouse")
22:24 < vinrock> so you need vbscript help?
22:24 < DomLS3> vbscript or if there's a forumla that can do it
22:24 <@killdash9> Continuous Irritation/Constant Degradation
22:24 < DomLS3> but I haven't been able to find any
22:24 < rhqq> Heresiarch: i keep that separate. for me puppet does the os layer
22:25 < AnimalFarmPig> DomLS3: This sounds like an opportunity to do machine learning! Try scikit-learn + a naive bayes classifier
22:25 < rhqq> and bash+ whatever CI tool (jenkins, go, whateverelseshit) does the build&deploy
22:25 < rhqq> no code deployment should ever touch system
22:25 < rhqq> that's asking for trouble
22:25 < Heresiarch> rhqq: so do I. But I still run my deploys through ansible - I just get my pipeline to kick off the jobs.
22:25 < vinrock> when you say, closest matches it, do you mean as per your example just matching the string to the beginning of a member of the array?
22:25 < vinrock> it could be pretty easy
22:25 < vinrock> do a For...Next loop
22:26 < DomLS3> imagine this
22:26 < vinrock> use InStr() to compare the strings in the array
22:26 < AnimalFarmPig> for deployment, I would prefer to just clone prod to stage, apply updates, validate, switch dns to point traffic to staging
22:26 < asimon> DomLS3: You could return the value with the highest similarity to your desired string per whatever metric you like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:String_similarity_measures
22:26 < AnimalFarmPig> but apparently this is too simple
22:26 < DomLS3> Sheet1 has 1 column with a bunch of company names, in no particular order, one of which is "Texas Roadhouse"
22:26 < vinrock> ok so you are using cell values, thats even easier
22:26 < DomLS3> Sheet2 has a 1 column with a bunch of company names but with extra shit added in like with what a credit card statement would have, one of which is "Texas Roadhouse #52353535"
22:27 < rhqq> AnimalFarmPig: yeah, pretty much what my shell script does during all the deploys
22:27 < AnimalFarmPig> rhqq: neat, sounds like you're doing it right, then
22:27 < DomLS3> I need to be able to compare The value from Sheet2 to the array of company names in sheet1 and return it
22:27 < rhqq> AnimalFarmPig: i just managed to draw a very clear line between dev and ops
22:27 < DomLS3> you can do it the opposite way with vlookup and approximate match but it doesn't work the reverse way properly
22:27 < rhqq> this also lets debugging/blaming easy
22:28 < AnimalFarmPig> rhqq: none of the places I've worked have wanted to follow my process. Instead they've treated VM's like bare metal servers, making them long lived and modifying them in place.
22:28 < rhqq> AnimalFarmPig: well, my vms live for few months anyway
22:28 < rhqq> but that's because of that separation
22:28 < AnimalFarmPig> sure, between releases, right?
22:28 < ihre> killdash9: well you shouldnt use your own email address for notifications, just send it to the cto or something
22:29 < rhqq> not even that, i simply wipe out data dir
22:29 < rhqq> pull new code
22:29 < rhqq> bounce services
22:29 < rhqq> done
22:29 < AnimalFarmPig> that works too if you're set up right
22:29 < rhqq> all i have is set up to be redundant so i can take any node out of rotation
22:29 < rhqq> upgrade, put it back and take next one
22:30 < AnimalFarmPig> I prefer to have separate servers and then cut over. If something goes wrong, easy to revert.
22:30 < rhqq> well, given my system is kept up to date with puppet
22:31 < rhqq> i can build new one in 10-15 minutes
22:31 < rhqq> and i have enough spare prods
22:31 < rhqq> that i can just take one out of rotation and do things
22:31 < DomLS3> another thing that could help is a forumla that could tell me how much of a string exists in another
22:31 < AnimalFarmPig> DomLS3: Levenstein distance?
22:32 < DomLS3> for instance, if I have a cell with value reddit.com and another cell with just reddit, run a forumla that tells me how much of the first cell exists in the second
22:32 < AnimalFarmPig> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4243036/levenshtein-distance-in-vba
22:32 < vinrock> im googling excel vba syntax since im not familiar and its taking me forever
22:32 < vinrock> but this isnt really a complicated task
22:33 < vinrock> you can select the cell range and populate an array variable or you can just work directly with the cell contents
22:33 < MillerBOSS> DomLS3 👉 6 kthx
22:33 < DomLS3> vinrock: it's definitely complicated task lol.
22:33 < vinrock> do a For.. Next loop and in each cycle you're gonna use InStr to check if the string value is found in the other sheets correcponsing cell range/array
22:33 < AnimalFarmPig> you could try using soundex
22:33 < vinrock> then when it hits just exit the Do loop
22:34 < vinrock> er
22:34 < vinrock> for loop
22:34 < AnimalFarmPig> do you have to use excel? Could you use a real database? Probably easier.
22:34 < DomLS3> AnimalFarmPig: have to use excel
22:34 < rhqq> it's standalone this way
22:34 < Hempux> God damn it  windows 10
22:34 < Hempux> "If the user doesn't click no within 15 minutes we're legally allowed to reboot the computer"
22:36 < DomLS3> vinrock: formula would look something like this: =compare(D1,'Sheet1!D:D)
22:36 < vinrock> yeah if you were going to do it in excelspeak
22:36 < aName> Noob question - where is 'Active Directory Users and Computers', if not dsa.msc ?
22:36 < aName> I know this laptop has it but damn if I can find it
22:36 < vinrock> thats the shit i dont really know, i just google any formulas i need
22:36 < vinrock> but vba is pretty simple
22:36 < DomLS3> aName: C:\Windows\System32
22:36 < aName> DomLS3: lol thanks
22:37 < aName> DomLS3: Do you know the name of the file?
22:37 < DomLS3> vinrock: well if you think you can do it in vba go for it and pastebin it to me lol
22:37 < DomLS3> aName: dsa.msc
22:37 < aName> well wtf then
22:37 < vinrock> leme fire up excel and see if this is a quick task
22:38 < Casteil> lulz
22:38 < Casteil> I can go outside my house just about any time, pull off a random downspout tube and proceed to fling a chipmunk out of it
22:39 < Casteil> friggin chipmunks err'where
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ mine the perimeter
22:40 < ihre> no, bury a radio that plays celine dion, http://gavinshoebridge.com/how-to-remove-moles-from-your-yard/
22:41 < ebol4> what was that old internet thing where the guy left a bunch of meat in a park
22:41 < ebol4> and just kept a log of its state
22:41 < ihre> well, that works with moles, but otoh, who the fuck enjoys celine dion anyways
22:42 < ebol4> i don't think this was a fever dream
22:42 < DomLS3> AnimalFarmPig: that levenshtein thing is close
22:43 < DomLS3> problem is I need it to accept an array instead of a named value
22:43 < DomLS3> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4243036/levenshtein-distance-in-vba
22:43 < DomLS3> that last function works but only if I already know what the other value is, which I don't. It need to be able to read all the values from an array and return the one that most matches
22:44 < DomLS3> such as "A:A"
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, that's why I was asking if you can do this in a real database
22:45 < DomLS3> unfortunately not. all this shit is just in excel right now.
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> essentially, for each value in the list, match it with whichever other value in the list has the lowest distance score
22:46 < AnimalFarmPig> I assume that's possible in Excel, but I don't vba/excel
23:01 < felda> cryptic1 I heard you were willing to take donations to your "charity" for +v
23:03 < ebol4> cryptic fibrosis
23:03 < felda> ebol4 don't ruin this
23:03 < felda> my ploy is to get him to say yes
23:03 < felda> then I can blackmail him into giving me +v because he is just like Hillary Clinton
23:05 <@JollyRgrs> is dragonfleas still having a job?
23:05 <@JollyRgrs> felda: he wants you to let him "donate" to you...
23:05 <@JollyRgrs> don't do it
23:06 <@JollyRgrs> don't accept cryptic1's "donations", they belong in a bank (and i don't mean one for money)
23:06 < felda> I only accept cash and taco bell gift cards
23:07 <@JollyRgrs> ebol4's mom said that cryptic1's donations are sweet due to his high intake of maple syrup
23:07 <@JollyRgrs> so it shouldn't be too bad
23:07 <@JollyRgrs> YMMV
23:07 < felda> I only eat meats and eggs so my donations are bitter and STANKY
23:08 < catbeard> when you say you ate lots of pineapple but you lied
23:09 <@JollyRgrs> later kiddos, daddy's gotta drive home
23:09 < Hatter> eww don't say daddy
23:09 <@JollyRgrs> daddy
23:09 <@JollyRgrs> moist
23:09 <@JollyRgrs> do you also have aversion to the word panties?
23:10 < felda> I love all of those words <3_<3
23:14 < Stoob> jfc just spent an hour trying to figure out why the firewall wasn't letting me connect to this address over the VPN
23:15 < AnimalFarmPig> inb4 not on vpn
23:15 < Stoob> knew it was at a separate site which requires some extra config, but nothing was showing in the logs anywhere
23:15 < Stoob> no, I just hadn't configured the VPN with routes to that subnet :|
23:16 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, well, at least it wasn't a totally dumb mistake
23:16 < Stoob> obv not gonna show up in any logs if the client doesnt even try to hit it over the tunnel :p
23:17 < Stoob> yeah, and at least it isn't a "well this just plain doesn't work because cisco decided it doesnt want to" problem
23:22 < zerocool> what if we are simulations of an ai that is using us to harvest our experiences for self training
23:25 < scwizard> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imamcajBEJs https://i.imgur.com/bFuXBGR.png
23:26 < scwizard> I can't believe this works LOL
23:27 < scwizard> https://i.imgur.com/ZELxRuz.png of course they're all sibling containers
23:27 < scwizard> still pretty funny though
23:29 < DomLS3> guess it was too hard for vinrock to figure out lol
23:30 < scwizard> more like it's 4:30 PM
23:30 < DomLS3> 4:30 != 5:00
23:30 < scwizard> i'm only still here because I'm going to a meetup at 7
23:30 < scwizard> got work to do tho
23:30 < hxcsp> DomLS3: but 4:30 = 5:30 EST
23:30 < hxcsp> so maybe he stayed late
23:30 < DomLS3> hxcsp: but idgaf
23:30 < hxcsp> lol
23:30 < DomLS3> he said it was "easy"
23:31 < DomLS3> AnimalFarmPig: I got it to work with that levenshtein like 95% of the way
23:32 < DomLS3> only problem now is that levenshtein is counting occurances of characters matched in the entire string instead of in sequence
23:33 < DomLS3> so if I have "amazon.com" trying to match with "amazon mktplace pmts" but have something else in the list that has more m's and o's then it'll match to that instead
23:42 < Church-> DomLS3: Doing some info theory?
23:43 < DomLS3> Church-: no. Pasting credit card expenses into Excel and trying to get it to automate forumulas and stuff
23:43 < DomLS3> So I don't have to manually enter everything one by one as I go, I can just download a month's worth of expenses and have it do everything from one paste
23:43 < aName> Silly question - what do you think rent for antenna space on top of the tallest building in town is?
23:44 < aName> Like, ballpark
23:44 < aName> "I can see my house from here" has me thinking
23:49 < xtensive> expensive AF aName
23:49 < aName> Yeah, I thought it might be
23:57 < alazare619> JollyRgrs:  i prefer the word pantsu
23:59 < scwizard> DomLS3: what's going on?
23:59 < scwizard> that he said was easy?
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