--- Log opened Thu May 24 00:00:30 2018
00:04 <@cryptic1> evening
00:06 < AnimalFarmPig> DomLS3: you could modify the levenshtein to match pairs of letters
00:07 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm sure there's a proper name for whatever that is
00:13 < zerocool> is there a lighter more flexible alternative to ovirt out there?
00:13 < zerocool> anyone know
00:19 < ihre> (libvirt?)
00:22 < xtensive> There needs to be a pervirt
00:23 < zerocool> ihre: yeah
00:24 < zerocool> i mean as a web-based cluster controller thing
00:24 <+TuxedoJack> Why the fuck are people naming computers CLIENTCODE-DT-01
00:24 < zerocool> ovirts cool but at the same time it's a pain in the butthole, it wants to control too much and ovirtcomplicates everything
00:25 <+TuxedoJack> Instead of CLIENTNAME-SERVICETAG
00:25 <+TuxedoJack> Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid fuckers
00:25 < zerocool> why not just servicetag
00:25 <+TuxedoJack> zerocool: 650+ clients now
00:25 <+TuxedoJack> So yeah
00:25 < zerocool> we got like 1500
00:26 <+TuxedoJack> And honestly, it makes it easier to sort through them in piece of shit Labtech
00:26 < zerocool> lol
00:26 < zerocool> you funny dowg
00:26 <+TuxedoJack> It also presupposes that Labtech has a good search funtion and that the stupid fucking hardware tech installed the right goddamn Labtech agent on it
00:28 < zerocool> we use lansweeper it's pretty dope i don't need to know anything i just like enter someones name and it tells me everything about them
00:29 < zerocool> im like bob and 20 computers pop up and i open their webcams and get on the mic like "wmic product name grep virus make uninstall" at max volume
00:29 < zerocool> so that everyone knows im working hard
00:30 < ihre> zerocool: https://github.com/karmab/kcli is from an ovirt dev, the readme states it has a webui too
00:30 < ihre> cant really find examples/screenshots tho
00:34 < zerocool> ihre: hey man that is pretty cool
00:34 < ihre> installing from pip right now to see what the ui looks like, but you could also run it from a container easily
00:36 < zerocool> let me know how it goes!
00:36 < zerocool> get on jitsi i wanna see ;)
00:36 < ihre> well, tracebacks to start with :')
00:37 < zerocool> dope those are important
00:37 < zerocool> i like it already, up front about everything
00:38 < zerocool> :wakemeupinside:
00:38 < Alternity> dontdeadpeopleinside
00:41 < ihre> zerocool: it start with some mock cfg (my ovirt cluster is turned off, otherwise i'd connect it to that), but https://imgur.com/a/VFkh4VS
00:41 < ihre> ehh
00:41 < ihre> dafuq
00:41 < ihre> https://i.imgur.com/D0VVIoI.png
00:42 < zerocool> well, kinda part of my issue is that i don't have an ovirt cluster, i have a set of super bare-bones libvirt hypervisors, i either ssh+virsh and custom scripts or virt-manager them
00:42 < scwizard> oh man
00:42 < scwizard> this person in #docker
00:42 < scwizard> is trying to run uhh
00:43 < ihre> zerocool: fwiw, I really liked foreman + bare libvirt
00:43 < scwizard> a person in #docker is trying to run this on a rasberry pi: https://jekyllrb.com/
00:43 < zerocool> i have set up an ovirt cluster in the past but it was a hog, uploading an ISO took all day, like why do i have to use a special tool for that
00:43 < scwizard> the ruby version that comes with rasbian isn't recent enough so they're trying to build their own
00:43 < zerocool> it's just a file you c*nt
00:43 < scwizard> and they're trying to run this website on a rasberry pi because they're broke O_o
00:44 < scwizard> like maybe if you stopped trying to do totally silly things you'd have money idk \o.o/
00:44 < Anaphylaxis> ok? but then i cant do silly things
00:44 < scwizard> there's so many sane ways to host a ruby based website
00:44 < ihre> zerocool: the ovirt controller requires 8-16g ram to run :P
00:45 < ihre> foreman also requires 2-4 with > 15 hosts, but also had it running as puppet master
00:45 < zerocool> ihre: that's what i mean though, why try so hard, just do enough and do it well please.
00:47 < ihre> zerocool: imo, the difference is the additional management, like auto migration on 'high-pressure hosts', automatic ha setups, stuff like that
00:47 < ihre> but if you dont bother with those features, i can definitely recommend foreman with just plain libvirt
00:48 < Hunterkll> scwizard, yea whenever i stay home for like 2 or 3 weeks my debt goes down and my assets go up
00:48 < Hunterkll> :)
00:48 < zerocool> yeah i have messed with that too, the automatic live migration stuff is kinda what i would like
00:48 < zerocool> you know like real clustering
00:48 < Hunterkll> i mean, my debt goes down and my assets go up whenever i go to a casino too
00:48 < Hunterkll> so maybe i'm not the best person for that metric
00:48 < enix> s/that/any
00:49 < Hunterkll> U DONT KNO ME
00:49  * scwizard is pretty poor so probably shouldn't talk but
00:49 < Hunterkll> eh
00:49  * scwizard at least values their time enough to not try and run websites on rasberry pis
00:49 < Hunterkll> i'm like -$14,000 right now
00:49 < Hunterkll> but taht's fine
00:50 < Hunterkll> i was like -$21,000 a month ago
00:50 < Hunterkll> so whatever
00:50 < scwizard> i'm at uhh +8k
00:50 < scwizard> owie
00:50 < scwizard> i had such a huge employment gap it went down a lot :(
00:50 < Hunterkll> lol
00:50 < Hunterkll> i'll be at like -$10k before my next anime convention
00:50 < Hunterkll> which is also at a casino
00:51 < Hunterkll> so it's unknown if it'll go down or up
00:51 < Hunterkll> that's in about 2 weeks
00:51 < ihre> ffs, pass broken k8s spec to kubectl --validate=true -> passes
00:51 < Hunterkll> might spend more than i w in
00:51 < Hunterkll> but i do have a $100 food voucher there
00:51 < Hunterkll> so
00:51 < ihre> why is everything regarding testing on k8s broken ? :D
00:52 < scwizard> what happens when you actually try and use said broken spec?
00:52 < scwizard> god i'm so unfocused today
00:53 < ihre> scwizard: returns a go template error with a stacktrace in between
00:53 < scwizard> ayy lmao
00:53 < sedatesock> ihre: Let's blame Rob Pike.
00:54 < ihre> yeah ! fuck Rob Pike!
00:54 < scwizard> a recruiter guy was pressuring me into learning k8s today
00:54 < ihre> (who is he though?)
00:54 < scwizard> and I was like "let me get docker images working in prod first T_T"
00:54 < sedatesock> ihre: Helped create C and Golang.
00:55 < sedatesock> scwizard: What's not working with docker?
00:55  * sedatesock is learning k8s himself.
00:55 < scwizard> sedatesock: the fact that I haven't done it yet
00:55 < scwizard> i'm working on it :(
00:55 < sedatesock> lol
00:55 < sedatesock> Get on it! :P
00:55 < scwizard> well
00:56 < scwizard> i learned yesterday that fargate only supports its own container registry for private images
00:56 < scwizard> so i need to fix all our container build scripts to push to ECR
00:56 < scwizard> but the credentials for ECR are fucking stupid so the image needs to have both docker and aws cli so I had to make a new image for that
00:57 < scwizard> but to get docker in a docker image without going crazy I just needed to have the docker cli and bind mount the socket so I needed to change my gitlab runners to have the socket bind mounted
00:57 < sedatesock> That's pretty great.
00:57 < scwizard> and i figured while i'm at it I should put them in an autoscalin group so they're more maintainable
00:57 < scwizard> so yeah actually having prod in fargate feels so far away T_T
00:58 < scwizard> *a certain element on prod not the whole thing
00:58 < scwizard> *of
00:58 < scwizard> and my focus has been pretty awful today
01:00 < ihre> scwizard: in your gitlab-ci.yaml, you could use 'services: name: docker:dind' and declare a global var to use DOCKER_HOST: tcp://127.0.0.1:2376'
01:01 < scwizard> huh
01:01 < scwizard> that works?
01:01 < ihre> yes
01:01 < scwizard> oh oh that's with the dind service
01:01 < scwizard> nm
01:01 < scwizard> yeah i already had it working via dind but uhh
01:02 < scwizard> oh yeah
01:02 < scwizard> i remember
01:02 < scwizard> i wanted to use bind mounted sockets instead, because it's faster because there's actual caching
01:02 < Hunterkll> oh sweet
01:02 < Hunterkll> automated transfers rock lol
01:03 < CheckYourSix> ... *log into HR portal at work to see pay stub for Friday* "You are not authorized to view this page" ... *facepalm*
01:03 < Hunterkll> scwizard, i just found another thousand in a stash away account i forgot about
01:03 < Hunterkll> :P
01:03 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, u been fired
01:03 < scwizard> why are you at negative anyway Hunterkll ? student loans?
01:03 < CheckYourSix> Ha unfortunately no
01:03 < scwizard> or do you actually have a gamblin gproblem?
01:03 < Hunterkll> nah
01:03 < Hunterkll> no
01:03 < Hunterkll> if it was gambling that put me negative :(
01:03 < Hunterkll> nah
01:03 < Hunterkll> it's credit cards and loans
01:03 < CheckYourSix> Cause he built an $8k PC...
01:03 < Hunterkll> nah
01:03 < scwizard> eww credit cards
01:03 < scwizard> eww
01:03 < Hunterkll> that was bulit out of pure profits
01:03 < Hunterkll> well
01:03 < Hunterkll> okay
01:03 < Hunterkll> i could have paid off $8k+ in credit cards with those profits
01:03 < Hunterkll> but instead i didn't
01:04 < scwizard> altho
01:04 < scwizard> were the loans to start a buissness which is now sucessful
01:04 < scwizard> if that's the case then that's ok
01:04 < Hunterkll> nah
01:04 < Hunterkll> one was a $2k for vacation and another was a $7500 that's down to $4500
01:04 < CheckYourSix> I wonder if the HR portal isn't allowing it because I'm on my home PC and not my work laptop. Wouldn't put it past them to lock all that shit down to being on the work network or VPN
01:04 < Hunterkll> I racked a LLOT of travel in a short period of time
01:05 < Hunterkll> it's just now that I've got it swindled to the point that I can rack a LOT of travel and have the debt go down at the same time
01:05 < Hunterkll> :P
01:05 < Hunterkll> but yea i'm whacking out $3-5k/month
01:05 < Hunterkll> it'll be gone by defcon
01:05 < Hunterkll> no big deal
01:05  * Hunterkll wanks harder
01:07 < Jay-Ros> That's my favourite Bruce Willis cop movie Hunterkll
01:07 <@JollyRgrs> Jay-Ros: Wanks Harder?
01:07 < Jay-Ros> 'Wank with a vengeance' just didn't cut it
01:07 <@JollyRgrs> i haven't seen that movie
01:08 < Jay-Ros> Hands 'Groober' was a great villian
01:08 < Hunterkll> scwizard, eh, numbers a bit off. right now it llooks like i'm -$15,489.52 but tomorrow i'll be -$13,373.01
01:09 < Hunterkll> then by the convention i'll be around -$11k
01:09 < Hunterkll> in about two weeks
01:09 < Hunterkll> so eh
01:09 < Hunterkll> temporary runup, not bad
01:09 < Hunterkll> by that point most of the CC will be gone and it'll just be fixed payment loans
01:09 < Hunterkll> which i'll just let run
01:10 < Hunterkll> oh nice
01:10 < Hunterkll> my marijuana invesetments are doing well
01:10 < Hunterkll> up 4.51%
01:10 < ihre> wat
01:11 < Hunterkll> ihre, it's a fund inclusive of corporate marijuana operations
01:11 < Hunterkll> such as grow ops in legal states, tech&software providers, etc
01:11 < scwizard> sounds like a nice meme
01:11 < Hunterkll> http://www.etfmj.com/ <-- ETF's site
01:11 < Hunterkll> it's on NYSE
01:12 < Hunterkll> The Fund’s underlying index has been changed to the Prime Alternative Harvest Index.
01:12 < Hunterkll> alternative harvest index
01:12 < Hunterkll> lmao
01:13 < Hunterkll> ya, i got a dividend fund, US bonds/tresasury fund, weed fund, apple, microsoft, nvidia, S&P match fund, amazon, international bond, and tesla holdings
01:13 < Hunterkll> diversify yo bonds nigga
01:13 < scwizard> i just have cash rn :(
01:14 < scwizard> had to sell my investments for rent while i was jobless
01:14 < Hunterkll> ya my current -$15k includes assets
01:14 < Hunterkll> does not include 401k
01:14 < Hunterkll> 401k eclipses that by far
01:14 < Hunterkll> actual current debt is -$17,562.33
01:14 < Hunterkll> and there's also some other instruments i'm not counting too
01:14 < Hunterkll> so it's probably more lilke $12k debt right now total
01:14 < Hunterkll> when offset
01:15 < scwizard> if they're in etfs doesn't it make sense to sell them to pay down debt?
01:15 < Hunterkll> nah
01:15 < Hunterkll> i hawk $50 a week at the investments
01:15 < scwizard> since the interest on a debt is higher than the rate of return of an investment
01:15 < Hunterkll> and $50 amonth in my bank investments
01:15 < Hunterkll> i'm paying debt down faster than i'm buying investments
01:15 < Hunterkll> but trying to establish semi-liquid balances at the same time
01:15 < Hunterkll> also like half my debt is 0% interest right now
01:15 < Hunterkll> so
01:16 < Hunterkll> scwizard, check out stashinvest.com
01:16 < Hunterkll> its pretty legit
01:16 < Hunterkll> that's the one i use for the marijuana fund
01:16 < Hunterkll> llol
01:16 < scwizard> nah
01:16 < scwizard> i'm not gonna get a investing app
01:17 < scwizard> i just have an interactive brokers account
01:17 < Hunterkll> it's not an app?
01:17 < Hunterkll> it's a broker
01:17 < scwizard> yeah it's a kiddy broker
01:17 < Hunterkll> lol
01:17 < scwizard> i have interactive brokers which is a real broker
01:17 < Hunterkll> oh you meant that's the name of the broker
01:17 < Hunterkll> i've got a few others too
01:17 < Hunterkll> like for currency and direct nasdaq trading
01:18 < Hunterkll> i've dabbled in options too
01:18 < scwizard> you can do all that through a real broker
01:18 < scwizard> if you get a real broker, you don't need a whole bunch
01:18 < Hunterkll> i said a 'few others' as in real brokers
01:18 < scwizard> yeah but one real broker
01:18 < scwizard> should be able to do all those together
01:18 < Hunterkll> it really depends
01:18 < Hunterkll> I hard rely on big leverage and MT4 client
01:19 < Hunterkll> most "big" brokers that have hobbyist forex don't have those features
01:19 < Hunterkll> when i say "big" i mean wallstreet names
01:19 < scwizard> yeah for forex i'd just use oanda
01:19 < scwizard> although i haven't touched fx in a while
01:19 < Hunterkll> ew
01:19 < Hunterkll> oanda be like 1:50 leverage
01:19 < Hunterkll> lol
01:19 < scwizard> i made 2k off of the brexit speculation and just cut my winnings
01:19 < Hunterkll> the easiest way to make money is to do the opposite of what oanda traders do
01:19 < Hunterkll> haha
01:19 < Hunterkll> i use 'em for toy accounts and testing though
01:20 < scwizard> idk 1:50 leverage is plenty
01:20 < Hunterkll> lol that's puny as fuck
01:20 < Hunterkll> normal is like 1:200
01:20 < scwizard> are you really putting down like 3k in 1:200 leverage
01:20 < Hunterkll> 1:500 is the sweet spot
01:20 < scwizard> there's limits in the USA
01:20 < scwizard> 1:200 isn't legal
01:20 < Hunterkll> scwizard, when your moves and profit takes / stop losses are in fractions of a cent
01:20 < scwizard> https://www.dailyforex.com/forex-figures/2015/01/nfa-imposes-leverage-limits-brokers/86272
01:21 < Hunterkll> oh yes  yes
01:21 < Hunterkll> like everything is totallly legal here
01:21 < scwizard> Hunterkll: 50:1 is the max legal in america
01:21 < Hunterkll> I am aware
01:21 < Hunterkll> =]
01:22 < Hunterkll> but even so on the on-shore accounts and whatnot
01:22 < Hunterkll> a few of us in here have churned out some fine forex money
01:22 < Hunterkll> there was talk a while ago about buying Xeon Phi's for algorithim optimization
01:23 < CheckYourSix> I kinda want to look into algorithm trading just out of curiosity
01:23 < Hunterkll> there's a few people in here who mess with it
01:23 < Hunterkll> scwizard, for what it's worth most of my brokerage accounts pre-exist 2015 .... i've been trading since 2004 i think?
01:23 < Hunterkll> had a broker accept a copy of a fake id
01:24 < Hunterkll> :D
01:24 < Hunterkll> took me a few years to turn a profit
01:26 < Hunterkll> scwizard, if you can get an avatrade account for example they're a market maker and they offer 1:400
01:26 < Hunterkll> not sayin' it's legal but it's out there
01:26 < Hunterkll> it's legal in the EU and Asian markets!
01:26 < Hunterkll> just become an estonian e-resident
01:27 < Hunterkll> https://e-resident.gov.ee/
01:27 < scwizard> i don't even use all the leverage i have on onanda so
01:27 < scwizard> w/e
01:27 < scwizard> as i said made 2k and haven't touched it since
01:27 < Hunterkll> if i wasn't punting around $500 accounts i'd probably be okay with lower lev
01:27 < Hunterkll> but i turned a $500 into a $800 with someone's EA in here
01:27 < Hunterkll> on oanada
01:27 < Hunterkll> that was neat
01:27 < scwizard> i don't really believe in fx algos
01:28 < Hunterkll> I normally news trade these days when I do
01:28 < scwizard> i don't think users have enough info to properly algo trade
01:28 < CheckYourSix> Algo stuff looks cool. I just wanna see the code behind it and understand it all. Don't really want to trade with it.
01:28 < scwizard> you need to be a bank
01:28 < Hunterkll> eh
01:28 < Hunterkll> you can get alll the data
01:28 < Hunterkll> for technical analysis
01:28 < Hunterkll> and run it through optimizatoin with your chose parameters
01:28 < scwizard> i don't believe in technical analysis either
01:28 < Hunterkll> and it'll work for a while
01:28 < Hunterkll> then you re-tweak
01:28 < scwizard> i think it's basically vodoo
01:28 < Hunterkll> well, technical as in back testing
01:28 < Hunterkll> not as in drawing lines on a chart
01:29 < Hunterkll> with special squigglies underneath
01:29 < Hunterkll> :P
01:29 < scwizard> you just don't have the info
01:29 < scwizard> the only info you have is your broker's prices
01:29 < Hunterkll> what info is that, then?
01:29 < scwizard> a bank's fx desk has so much more info
01:29 < Hunterkll> such as?
01:29 < scwizard> and you only see what they want you to see
01:29 < Hunterkll> like, which bank made which trade?
01:29 < Hunterkll> that's possible to get
01:30 < rpifan> hi
01:30 < rpifan> misspwn_,
01:30 < Hunterkll> fuck off
01:30 < Hunterkll> :)
01:30 < rpifan> i need some advice
01:31 < rpifan> from someone who knows about corporate thinking
01:32  * scwizard has only worked for startups because they're a noob
01:32 < rpifan> im spinning my wheels at work and getting no where
01:32 < Hunterkll> you're fired
01:32 < Hunterkll> are you doing too good?
01:32 < Hunterkll> that can be a thing in some places
01:32 < CheckYourSix> rpifan: You JUST got hired.
01:32 < Hunterkll> LOL
01:32 < Hunterkll> in that case
01:32 < rhqq> xD
01:32 < Hunterkll> they probably haven't even got hallf your accounts set up
01:32 < rpifan> ive been there a month
01:32 < Hunterkll> and someone's on vacation waiting to approve shit
01:32 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: corp thinking... you are lowest on the pole, you said... so all you get to do is... do
01:32 < CheckYourSix> And not to mention, you said you hate it, want to stockpile money, and move to Europe. And you want to fuck your employer in the process...
01:32 < rpifan> but i cant do shit
01:32 <@JollyRgrs> why not?
01:32 < rpifan> its so fucken boring
01:32 < rpifan> cause
01:33 < Hunterkll> LOLOLOL
01:33 <@JollyRgrs> what is your role there?
01:33 < rpifan> everything needs authorization
01:33 < Hunterkll> yes
01:33 < rpifan> and ive talked to every single person
01:33 < ihre> well, no shit
01:33 < rpifan> and they all tell me to talk to someone else
01:33 < Hunterkll> yes
01:33 < Hunterkll> once you're there a few years
01:33 < Hunterkll> you'lll find out the regulatory allowed but not advertised shortcuts
01:33 < rpifan> well the hell am is upposed to do in the mean time
01:33 < Hunterkll> keep up the email chains
01:33 < Hunterkll> duh
01:33 < ihre> shitpost on irc
01:33 < Hunterkll> send boss your status updates whenever syaing "waiting on X"
01:34 < scwizard> rpifan: maybe share your feelings with your immediate boss
01:34 < rpifan> yea
01:34 < scwizard> say "hey boss I'm not getting any work done"
01:34 < Hunterkll> my boss'll hollar up the chain
01:34 < rpifan> i have a good relationship wuth her
01:34 < rpifan> she loves the work im doing
01:34 < scwizard> if she says "that's fine standby"
01:34 < scwizard> then it's fine and standby
01:34 < rpifan> and encourages me to do it
01:34 < Hunterkll> just had him go "Hey, CISO and head of network, do this now"
01:34 < Hunterkll> and we're a 120k emplloyee company
01:34 < Hunterkll> lol
01:34 < scwizard> if she says "i'll talk to someone about it" then wait for her to talk to someone about it
01:34 < rpifan> but
01:34 < rpifan> it feels like she has no power
01:34 < rpifan> and cant get anything
01:34 < scwizard> that's fine
01:34 < Hunterkll> so?
01:34 < Hunterkll> then you're fine
01:34 < rpifan> in fact we had gdpr training on monday
01:34 < scwizard> she has power over your job
01:34 < Hunterkll> let the process process
01:35 < Hunterkll> you'll learn how to do shit well enough
01:35 < Hunterkll> a month aint shit
01:35 < Hunterkll> lol
01:35 < CheckYourSix> Then tell her and sit around doing nothing while you wait for what you need
01:35 < rpifan> and apparently our department is supposed to handle gdpr cases and she didnt even know about it
01:35 < Hunterkll> you have a job to do professional redditing right now
01:35 < Hunterkll> don't fuck it up
01:35 < Hunterkll> yea that happens
01:35 < Hunterkll> what's actually supposed to happen by GDPR is it's sent to the 1 person who's designated
01:35 < Hunterkll> who then fans it out
01:35 < scwizard> rpifan: just ignore gdpr
01:35 < scwizard> everyone else is
01:35 < Hunterkll> so they're kinda wrong too
01:35 < scwizard> fuck that law in general
01:35 < rpifan> meh
01:35 < Hunterkll> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8lkpzj/helpnetwork_penetrated_all_vms_are_down_backups/
01:35 < Hunterkll> lolololol
01:36 < Hunterkll> hahahahahah
01:36 < Hunterkll> u r fukt
01:36 < rpifan> all i know is we are just spinning our wheels, not fixing shit just pathcing it
01:36 < Hunterkll> okay?
01:36 < Hunterkll> and?
01:36 <@JollyRgrs> F
01:36 < Hunterkll> we have dedicated person who manages patching dude
01:36 < rpifan> im bored
01:36 < Hunterkll> maybe they want you to be that person
01:36 < Hunterkll> so?
01:36 < Hunterkll> you're only a month in
01:36 < Hunterkll> god damn
01:36 < Hunterkll> lol
01:36 < scwizard> ok i have a redementry mechanism
01:36 < scwizard> for manually updating my runners now
01:37 < rpifan> its like all they want to do is take it slow
01:37 < rhqq> >>> Ransom payments are tax-deductible.
01:37 < rhqq> xD
01:37 < rpifan> be lazy
01:37 < rpifan> talk over and over again
01:37 < Hunterkll> it's not really being lazy if the process is done even halfway right
01:37 < ihre> rpifan: fwiw, im almost in my 3rd month, shit was boring for ~1.5 to 2 months here, its just getting started now
01:37 < Hunterkll> it's called not being a damn cowboy and not fucking shit up
01:37 < rpifan> i dont understnad how the other ppl in the team spend 8 hours on these cases
01:37 < Hunterkll> i consult entire groups of people before changing a setting
01:38 < rpifan> sigh still i will share with my boss but i will do it in the nicest most helpful way possible
01:38 < Hunterkll> mainly to enforce that they have to do the same
01:38 < Hunterkll> but still
01:38 < Hunterkll> rpifan, 99% of it is probably SOX and other regulatory compliance processes anyway
01:38 < rpifan> i reallt like working here, i enjoy being a part of the team and being in this position etc etc, which are true
01:38 < Hunterkll> I have to do quarterly review of priv AD groups i'm responsible for, etc
01:38 < rpifan> but
01:38 < rpifan> im frustrated
01:38 < enix> wtf is CYA
01:38 < Hunterkll> then you always will be
01:38 < rpifan> and also plz tell me what you need from
01:38 < Hunterkll> enix, cover your ass
01:38 < rpifan> how i can imrpove
01:38 < rpifan> etc
01:38 < enix> Hunterkll: thanks
01:38 < Hunterkll> stop whining
01:38 < ihre> the first month(s) are mostly introductory, getting to know everyone and the processes, stuff like that
01:38 < Hunterkll> that's what
01:38 < rpifan> im actually the one to ask for comments about my role from her
01:39 < rpifan> she often just listens and asks for my advice
01:39 < rpifan> so its obvious she holds me in high regard
01:39 < Hunterkll> okay, that's fine
01:39 < rpifan> consults me on matters of gdpr and websites and such
01:39 < Hunterkll> and there's processes from up high that you don't know
01:39 < Hunterkll> the reasons for
01:39 < Hunterkll> and yet you complain
01:39 < Hunterkll> I KNOW why our ticket system looks retarded from the top
01:39 < Jay-Ros> Holy fuck some people are stupid
01:39 < Jay-Ros> someone told a temp he was fine to jump on a CEO's computer for the day
01:39 < Hunterkll> Incident -> Request Item -> Item Attach -> Task
01:40 < Jay-Ros> "yeah, she's not in here today, that's fine"
01:40 < Hunterkll> but I also know what type of lawsuit it'll prevent
01:40 < Hunterkll> looool
01:40 < rpifan> well ali can say, is our current setup guarantees we will be sued for gdpr infringement
01:40 < aName> https://www.amazon.com/Elgato-Stream-Deck-Controller-customizable/dp/B06XKNZT1P/ I hate when companies get way too specific in their marketing
01:40 < rpifan> and / or
01:40 < Hunterkll> buy who?
01:40 < rpifan> will get hacked if we havent been compromirsed already
01:40 < aName> "Hmm, a panel of fifteen small screens that actuate a macro, who might want that?"
01:40 < Hunterkll> US hasn't even figured out how it might help the EU enforce it
01:40 < ihre> so who is actually the stupid one then, the employee who suggested it or the temp that said ok ? :p
01:40 < rpifan> we have european branches
01:41 < Hunterkll> rpifan, we used to joke a few years ago the chinese helped run our network when US Gov SOC was hellping
01:41 < Hunterkll> helping
01:41 < rpifan> lol
01:41 < Hunterkll> tellling us which machines to reformat
01:41 < rpifan> in fact we have british employees in the office currently
01:41 < Hunterkll> but we had all our documentation in a row
01:41 < Hunterkll> so it was impossible to fine and/or sue us
01:41 < Hunterkll> cuz we did it by the book
01:41 < Hunterkll> and still got the h4x
01:41 < scwizard> rpifan: yes
01:41 < rpifan> our documentation is atrocius
01:41 < scwizard> rpifan: the issue isn't you it's the gdpr
01:41 < Hunterkll> rpifan, this type of documentation is ticketing system & emails showing process was followed
01:42 < Hunterkll> not systems documentation
01:42 < rpifan> but this is all from before
01:42 < rpifan> our DBs are scary
01:42 < Hunterkll> i coulldn't produce systems documentation other than technet if you wanted me to
01:42 < rpifan> they are just ridiculous
01:42 < scwizard> rpifan: here's what will happen
01:42 < rpifan> we have 500 erros 400erros
01:42 < rpifan> all of the errors all the time
01:42 < Hunterkll> so?
01:42 < Hunterkll> that's literally not your problem
01:42 < scwizard> rpifan: you will get sued for gdpr violation, eat the cost THEN they will hire a consultant to make you compliant
01:42 < rpifan> well it kinda is
01:42 < scwizard> you might get fired but that's just life
01:43 < rpifan> anyway gonna go for a walk
01:43 < rpifan> bbl
01:43 < scwizard> more likely though your boss's boss will be fired
01:43 < scwizard> so i'd just hcill
01:43 < Hunterkll> i'm GDPR compliant
01:44 < Hunterkll> my web server keeps no logs except to operate fail2ban and has no forms to submit anything and stores no user data
01:44 < Hunterkll> :P
01:45 < scwizard> honestly i'm fully expecting GDPR to be repealed in part
01:45 < scwizard> it's so fucking expensive
01:45 <@JollyRgrs> GUYS!
01:45 <@JollyRgrs> I'M A SYSADMIN NOW!
01:45 < Hunterkll> fuck
01:45 < Hunterkll> alert NORAD
01:45 <@JollyRgrs> but i've been at my job for a month and they won't let me save teh world yet :(
01:46 < Hunterkll> STAND DOWN THE NUKES FALSE ALARM
01:46 <@JollyRgrs> lower the dongers
01:46 < Hunterkll> scwizard, i dunno, for an ecommerce site it's pretty simple
01:46 < Hunterkll> though for a data selling / harvesting site it's not
01:46 < Hunterkll> like facebook
01:46 < scwizard> they're at a big company they said
01:46 < Hunterkll> who's splitting up their operations
01:46 < Hunterkll> lol
01:46 < Hunterkll> scwizard, so am I
01:46 < Hunterkll> GDPR has been ez-pz
01:46 < scwizard> idk what kinda company his company is
01:46 < Hunterkll> though most of our work isn't internet facing
01:47 < Hunterkll> but we do work all throughout europe with european employees
01:47 < Hunterkll> when we can't fly americans out or it doesn't require a security clearance
01:47 < Hunterkll> :P
01:47 < Hunterkll> or there's a treaty obligation
01:48 < scwizard> jolly that was meanly accurate lol
01:50 < scwizard> (our texas based 12 man company here has no international presence, so no gdpr woo)
01:51 < scwizard> FROM SEA TO SHINING SEA
01:51 < Hunterkll> scwizard, it might, actually, if you store data on EU users
01:51 < Hunterkll> but only if it's not incidental
01:51 < Hunterkll> like if you advertise globally
01:51 < Hunterkll> but GDPR really is just common sense data handling at this point
01:51 < Hunterkll> except for companies who's business model is hoarding said data
01:51 < scwizard> we don't and we don't and we don't
01:52 < Hunterkll> big requirement is appointing someone to handle stuff, just llike what HIPAA requires for compliance as well
01:52 < Hunterkll> and having some on paper policies
01:52 < Hunterkll> and the capability to delete shit
01:52 < scwizard> i'm pretty sure that only applies to european companies or companies that do buissness in europe
01:52 < Hunterkll> nope
01:52 < rhqq> no
01:52 < Hunterkll> if you market to european users
01:52 < rhqq> which is ridiculous
01:52 < Hunterkll> doesn't even have to be 'do business'
01:52 < scwizard> we don't!
01:52 < scwizard> we don't market to european users
01:52 < Hunterkll> or do data processing over there
01:52 < Hunterkll> which means have cookies on their machine
01:52 < Hunterkll> :P
01:53 < scwizard> we sell our SaaS to american companies
01:53 < Hunterkll> still
01:53 < Hunterkll> GDPR data handlling would make me more inclined to buy from you
01:53 < Hunterkll> since when i finally tell you to fuck off
01:53 < rhqq> it's funny because UE thinks it has any power in US
01:53 < Hunterkll> you can't pull a solarwinds on me
01:53 < Hunterkll> rhqq, it does, that's why the trade dept has the us shieldl program to help ensure compliance
01:53 < rhqq> just minimum of minimum
01:54 < rhqq> EU wants to be treated as a whole
01:54 < rhqq> but it is not
01:54 < Hunterkll> https://www.commerce.gov/tags/eu-us-privacy-shield
01:54 < scwizard> if any 12 man US companies who have clients only in the US get sued under GDPR
01:54 < rhqq> and it wont
01:54 < precise> Damn, this is some nice hardware for CL https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/sys/d/28x-dell-poweredge-servers/6587974394.html
01:54 < scwizard> it will be in the news
01:54 < scwizard> so yeah
01:54 < Hunterkll> https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome
01:54 < scwizard> like maybe the law technically allows for it
01:54 < Hunterkll> no
01:54 < scwizard> but common american decency doesn't
01:54 < Hunterkll> we ALREADY ENFORCE OTHER EU LAWS HERE
01:54 < Hunterkll> but no
01:54 < Hunterkll> you won't get sued
01:54 < rhqq> Hunterkll: take visa laws ;p
01:54 < Hunterkll> you'll get sllapped up by treasury department
01:54 < Hunterkll> er, commerce department
01:54 < rhqq> eveyr country is treated separately, because fuck eu
01:54 < Hunterkll> and you produce documents showing compliance
01:54 < Hunterkll> then you're done
01:55 < aName> precise: Item I has me going 'Goddammit.'
01:55 < precise> aName: lol
01:56 < aName> I just bought an r710 with half the RAM and by the time I bought caddies I was in for 200 bucks. >.<
01:56 < Hunterkll> scwizard, GDPR compliance is really simple on the technical and process side, and quite frankly, llike I said, would prevent companies frfom going all solarwinds on you so makes me more inclined to buy
01:56 < Hunterkll> lol
01:56 < precise> aName: Some nice builds, just don't have the $$$
01:56 < aName> precise: At all?
01:56 < rhqq> Hunterkll: it changes nothing really :P
01:56 < scwizard> Hunterkll: what's the "solarwinds on you" expression about
01:56 < rhqq> whoever didnt care, wont care anyway
01:56 < scwizard> solarwinds is like a monitoring software right?
01:57 < scwizard> what did they do?
01:57 < rhqq> whoever cared, they have better measures already
01:57 < Hunterkll> scwizard, repeated sales calls, over and over, won't fuck off, no matter how much you tell them too, keeps your data, keeps hounding you, tries to hoiund your boss, buy our shit
01:57 < rhqq> it's annoying to see all these fucking emails and popups
01:57 < Hunterkll> etc
01:57 < aName> precise: R and S are kickass deals
01:57 < rhqq> that will pop up till fucking forever
01:57 < precise> aName: I have some, but I already have a lab to work with.. so :P
01:57 < aName> Fair.
01:57 < rhqq> like "we ctore cookies" shit
01:57 < scwizard> ic
01:57 < rhqq> store*
01:57 < Hunterkll> scwizard, "Delete my shit and don't call me again" would actually work then
01:57 < Hunterkll> llol
01:57 < scwizard> Hunterkll: since they're a company and not a phone spammer can't you just block their number?
01:57 < rhqq> soon before you enter any UE website you're going to sign a fucking cirograph with blood of babies
01:57 < Hunterkll> LOL
01:57 < rhqq> after printing 4 gazilion of pages
01:57 < scwizard> or is solarwinds using phone number spoofing?
01:57 < Hunterkll> scwizard, nopeeeee :D
01:58 < scwizard> why can't you block their phone number?
01:58 < Hunterkll> locall numbers for their local sales people, corporate numbers, etc
01:58 < Hunterkll> sometimnes unlisted
01:58 < Hunterkll> so many tech companies do this
01:58  * Hunterkll glares at netapp and redhat
01:58 < scwizard> well
01:58 < Hunterkll> like BITCH I TOLD YOU WERE NOT RENEWING NOW FUCK OFF
01:58 < scwizard> are you blocking their numbers every time they call?
01:59 < Hunterkll> i don't have the capability to block that many
01:59 < Hunterkll> lol
01:59 < scwizard> why not?
01:59 < aName> Speaking of printing - anyone have any strong feelings about any particular printing service? Looking to get a couple large format prints to put on my wall
01:59 < Hunterkll> my work phone is a company provided AT&T cellphone
01:59 < Hunterkll> just sayin'
01:59 < scwizard> Hunterkll: use the mr number app
01:59 < scwizard> you can block any number of numbers
01:59 < Hunterkll> and sometimes it comes from unknown numbers which sometimes causes our shit
01:59 < Hunterkll> comes from our shit
01:59 < rhqq> aName: im just using one i have 4 minutes walk from my place...
01:59 < scwizard> yeah the unknwn ones you can't do anything about
01:59 < Hunterkll> scwizard, forwarded desk phone to mine comes from +01
01:59 < Hunterkll> +91
02:00 < Hunterkll> so my phone identifies the calll as from india
02:00 < Hunterkll> damn cisco UCS phone system
02:00 < aName> rhqq: I think I might ask the graphic designer at work who did the prints we have
02:00 < aName> rhqq: They look nice enough
02:00 < aName> rhqq: Hopefully not too expensive.
02:00 < Hunterkll> scwizard, still, then there's email, then there's them digging to find your boss, etc
02:00 < Hunterkll> there's no way for you to say 'no is no'
02:00 < Hunterkll> now, there is
02:00 < Hunterkll> for the multinationals anyway
02:00 < Hunterkll> just claim to be an EU citizen and they shut right down
02:00 < Hunterkll> :"D
02:01 < rhqq> aName: get samples from few places really, you cant tell
02:01 < rhqq> and sometimes price does not follow the quality
02:01 < precise> wot
02:01 < precise> https://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/sys/d/ultimate-4g-lte-vpn-vipn-rdsl/6585797298.html
02:01 < aName> rhqq: All pretty much using the same equipment with the same QA then?
02:01 < rhqq> inks/poweders may be different quality/supplier
02:02 < aName> Anybody I should avoid?
02:02 < rhqq> again, get samples
02:02 < rhqq> decide on your own
02:02 < precise> aName: Serial killers, for one
02:02 < precise> aName: Pretty much all #r-s mods
02:02 < aName> precise: lol
02:03 < enix> precise: cheap
02:03 < aName> rhqq: fair enough, thanks
02:03 < rhqq> i used to have pulp fiction scene with vincent and jules holding guns in ascii =]
02:04 < rhqq> like 200x150cm
02:04 < rhqq> 5point font
02:04 < precise> Good for you.
02:04 < precise> Anyone want a second hand SAN? https://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/sys/d/2-hp-cloud-servers-24tb-iscsi/6593325778.html
02:05 < precise> Kinda suprised to find this
02:05 < aName> Shipping them is a pain in the ass - I'm surprised ebay is ever the first stop
02:05 < admiralspark> precise: you're in detroit? Makes so much sense now
02:06 < precise> admiralspark: Fuck off cunt
02:06 < aName> admiralspark: Did you see this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmoKt348tY8
02:23 < enix> THATS IT
02:24 < enix> IM BUYING A RAPSBERRY PI TODAY
02:24 < enix> I'm sick of saying "if only I had a raspberry pi"
02:24 < MillerBOSS> Why not tomorrow?
02:24 < enix> LISTEN HERE MillerBOSS
02:24  * MillerBOSS listens closely 
02:25 < enix> idk
02:25 < MillerBOSS> Is your mic muted? I don't hear anything
02:25 < enix>  
02:25 < enix>  
02:26 < MillerBOSS> Still nothing. Try unplugging it and plug it back in.
02:26 < enix> https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=141578
02:26 < enix> lol chinese guys have a good sense of humor
02:26 < enix> brb
02:26 < MillerBOSS> OK, I'll wait here for ya enix :D
02:27 < Jay-Ros> enix - hahaha, the firewall joke is tops
02:27 < Jay-Ros> they're becoming self aware!
02:33 < xe0n> enix, buy one yesterday
02:37 < MillerBOSS> 6.7 vSphere. Anyone have it running in production yet?
02:37 < CoJaBo> I encountered another really stupid issue today
02:37 < CoJaBo> Amazingly, it wasn't hard-drive related
02:38 < MillerBOSS> I am wondering if it is a small update or not. Nothing major released
02:40 < enix> Jay-Ros: my chinese middleman fucking hates the great firewall because he has to VPN to conduct business
02:41 < enix> Jay-Ros: did you see what that OP is fucking making though
02:41 < enix> Actually I'm trying to make a router for a new protocol with IP as the underlay. I plan to design a special format for the payload of IP packets(exactly like TCP over IP) and such format carries the routing information so when the router receives the packets it knows how to forward the packets
02:41 < Jay-Ros> yeah, a wireless router
02:41 < MillerBOSS> Water over IP?
02:41 < Jay-Ros> ...which'd run off a battery pack
02:42 < Jay-Ros> router/firewall*
02:42 < aName> MillerBOSS: God I wish
02:42 < aName> MillerBOSS: Wires are so much easier than plumbing
02:42 < MillerBOSS> Yeah I bet
02:45 < nohusuro> MillerBOSS: vSphere 6.7 adds support for Trusted Platform Module (TPM) 2.0
02:45 < nohusuro> that alone would be reason enough to move for me, hah
02:45 < MillerBOSS> I no jack about TPM
02:45 < nohusuro> also, encrypted vmotion
02:45 < nohusuro> fuck yes
02:46 < rpifan> sigh
02:46 < MillerBOSS> OK looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module what if there is no TPM. How is crypto handled than? CPU and not as safe or something?
02:47 < nohusuro> yeah, the encryption would be done on the CPU instead of the TPM chip
02:48 < nohusuro> and the encryption keys would be stored on the disk somewhere
02:48 < MillerBOSS> Ahh that makes sense
02:48 < nohusuro> meaning they can be exfiltrated easier
02:48 < MillerBOSS> So in Apple speak is that the same as the Secure Enclave in the iPhone and iMac Pro?
02:49 < hug> Similar to that. Except the enclave is TPM++
02:49 < MillerBOSS> https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-16/materials/us-16-Mandt-Demystifying-The-Secure-Enclave-Processor.pdf
02:50 < MillerBOSS> Interesting kinda
02:50 < misspwn_> anyone use door dash before or often?
02:50 < MillerBOSS> OK that helps hug. Thanks
02:52 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: for bitlocker, if you wanna do bitlocker w/o a TPM and still boot up w/o a password. you simply use a USB key and it'll more or less make it a software TPM to store your keys
02:52 <@JollyRgrs> overly simplified i'm sure
02:53 < MillerBOSS> OK that makes sense. So how do you interface with TPM and the lets say if using BitLocker?
02:53 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: actually, it's 90% that easy. I just rolled it out with a trial for those machines we have without TPM
02:53 < MillerBOSS> I wouldn't mind setting that up on company laptops
02:53 < admiralspark> definitely worth tying it to AD
02:53 <@JollyRgrs> well, i know to deploy it is
02:53 <@JollyRgrs> i meant the underlying how it actually works
02:53 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: most machines made in the last 12 years have tpm though, so you might just need to enable it in the BIOS
02:54 <@JollyRgrs> or hopefully you have access to MBAM
02:54 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: not most
02:54 < MillerBOSS> I see. I need to get gudder
02:54 <@JollyRgrs> many ENTERPRISE gear in the last 6-8 yrs i'd say
02:56 < rpifan> whats the point man
02:56 < rpifan> i dont get it
02:56 < rpifan> if the company doesnt give a fuck about anything
02:56 < rpifan> why even try
02:56 < rpifan> i dont get it
02:56 < rpifan> why hasnt anyone hacked them
02:56 < rpifan> whats the hold up
02:57 < MillerBOSS> rpifan 👉 Whats the deal now?
02:57 < MillerBOSS> Your workplace?
02:57 < rpifan> im frustrated
02:57 < rpifan> boring
02:57 < rpifan> angry
02:57 < rpifan> stressed
02:57 < MillerBOSS> OK let me put it this way
02:57 < MillerBOSS> Remember a few weeks ago when you had no job?
02:57 < MillerBOSS> And you had no income?
02:57 < nohusuro> rpifan: how do you know no one  has hacked the company?
02:58 < rpifan> i pray someone has
02:58 < MillerBOSS> Do you want it like that or what you got now?
02:58 < nohusuro> did you not see that reddit thread where someone found a 6 year old trojan on their file server?
02:58 < MillerBOSS> At least you got an income. :)
02:58 < rpifan> but at what cost
02:58 < MillerBOSS> But may I suggest if it bothers you that much keep work at work if it stresses you out. :)
02:58 < rpifan> ive hated this compant since day one
02:58 < rpifan> and instead of getting better it gets worse
02:58 < rpifan> they are slow
02:58 < rpifan> retarded stupid
02:59 < nohusuro> then start applying for other jobs idiot
02:59 < rpifan> and barely compliant with anything
02:59 < rpifan> i am
02:59 < nohusuro> good
02:59 < MillerBOSS> Right, but use it to your advantage rpifan
02:59 < nohusuro> then stop complaining like a whiny bitch
02:59  * MillerBOSS slaps nohusuro around a bit with a YUGE fucking trout 🐟🐟🐟🐟
02:59 < misspwn_> we use deslock
02:59 < rpifan> oh the trout
02:59 < rpifan> one of the first thing i saw on mIRC
02:59 < rpifan> there isnt anything i can do
03:00 < MillerBOSS> Why do you think they are vulnerable to hacking rpifan?
03:00 < MillerBOSS> What do you see?
03:00 < rpifan> do you not understand how frustrating it is
03:00 < rpifan> to see all this crap day in and day out
03:00 < rpifan> and everyone turns a blind eye to it
03:00 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: No, most laptops and desktops made in the last 12 years have TPM. MOST. Nearly all. Unless you consider something like an RPi as the proof it's "not all"
03:00 < MillerBOSS> What is it?
03:00 < nohusuro> rpifan: I can almost guarantee that everyone here has had that
03:00 < nohusuro> it's not unusual
03:00 < admiralspark> intel has integrated it for over a decade
03:00 < nohusuro> if that's the way the business operates, that's their choice
03:00 < rpifan> i just cnat deal with that kind of mindset, its narrow minded and stupid
03:00 < rpifan> how cna u just stand by
03:01 < rpifan> and just put blinders on
03:01 < admiralspark> dude, rpifan you're preaching to the choir.
03:01 < MillerBOSS> rpifan 👉 What are you referring to?
03:01 < nohusuro> usually either corporate policy, or budget
03:01 < admiralspark> We have an ELECTRIC TYPEWRITER STILL
03:01 < admiralspark> and it is used to PROCESS CHECKS
03:01 < MillerBOSS> Define "it" 08:00:18 PM  rpifan	and everyone turns a blind eye to it
03:01 < admiralspark> #unionjobs
03:01 < MillerBOSS> And not just "IT" in general
03:02 < rpifan> ok
03:02 < rpifan> so among the things that are troubling
03:02  * MillerBOSS listens
03:02 < rpifan> our dbs have no primary key auto incre, we add to entries manually
03:02 < rpifan> our qa db doesnt even remoately match our prod dbs
03:02 < rpifan> our user management interface
03:02 < admiralspark> okay, that's like....not that bad though
03:03 < rpifan> has dupliace and triplicate account
03:03 < rpifan> ppl with the same email
03:03 < admiralspark> you can solve that with #devops
03:03 < rpifan> but entirely differnet information
03:03 < MillerBOSS> I am willing to bet someone said oh this works and called it a day, though, right?
03:03 < rpifan> we update emails in 5 or 10 differnet places
03:03 < rpifan> and we leave extra bits of information all ove rthe place
03:03 < admiralspark> or "oh shit prod is burning, this test db better be good enough, I'll get to it some day"
03:03 < admiralspark> rpifan: you need automation
03:03 < rpifan> thats the whole point
03:03 < admiralspark> no
03:03 < MillerBOSS> Right admiralspark (quote)
03:03 < admiralspark> YOU, not the royal you, need it ;)
03:04 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: :)
03:04 < rpifan> i cant do automation
03:04 < rpifan> thats part of hte problem
03:04 < rpifan> the dbs are so mangled
03:04 < rpifan> no one knows where anyhting is
03:04 < admiralspark> rpifan: don't tell them you automated it, just tell them you're that much faster than your coworkers
03:04 < MillerBOSS> rpifan 👉 Do you have communication with the people that have only in the company?
03:04 < rpifan> every change we make a change we make it worse
03:04 < admiralspark> but you manually update emails in 10 palces right?
03:04 < MillerBOSS> money*
03:04 < rpifan> i already automated our password reset process
03:04 < rpifan> no one uses the script
03:04 < rpifan> i use it for myself
03:04 < rpifan> which is fine
03:05 < rpifan> ive spkone with devops
03:05 < rpifan> devops is appaled by our process for updating emails
03:05 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: they won't trust your script for a while
03:05 < rpifan> but doesnt have time to meet with me, i got on oneo f there gmail calls
03:05 < rpifan> and they were adding more tables
03:05 < rpifan> and make things worse
03:05 <@JollyRgrs> when i got my first desktop tech job, i scripted the hell out of stuff
03:05 < rpifan> instead of fixing nything
03:06 <@JollyRgrs> after a while, others started using it and my mgr could no longer tell me (or them) to stop using it
03:06 < rpifan> my script has been reviewed by one of the senior devops
03:06 < rpifan> they said cool
03:06 < precise> It don't matter
03:06 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
03:06 < precise> U new?
03:06 < rpifan> me new
03:06 < precise> Your the new guy
03:06 < rpifan> well more then that
03:06 < rpifan> im in tech support
03:06 < rpifan> my whole team
03:06 < rpifan> is the lowest team
03:06 < precise> -10 on * skill
03:06 < precise> cuz new
03:06 < rpifan> the one that no one trust
03:07 < rpifan> that one that is treated as innocent children
03:07 < rpifan> my boss listens and trust
03:07 < rpifan> but no one listesn to her
03:07 < rpifan> maybe cause shes a woman
03:07 < rpifan> maybe causes the low level department
03:11 < rpifan> i am almost genunienly curious as to what my boss does all day, she is never in the queue, she knows less then anyone about our cases
03:11 < precise> rpifan: Shielding you from shit?
03:12 < enix> Car I want is like $200,000 :(
03:12 < nohusuro> rpifan: she probably allocates all your tasks
03:12 < enix> How do I make $200,000 gys?
03:12 < precise> enix: Mod #r-s
03:12 < rpifan> nop, all the cases come from salesforce via the account managers
03:13 < Sousapro> did someone say salesforce?
03:14 < Sousapro> I spent the last 4 hours of my shift yesterday creating fax queues for our Salesforce instances lol
03:14 < rpifan> yea we use sf and jira
03:14 < rpifan> half our job
03:14 < rpifan> involves looks at SF cases
03:14 < rpifan> then turning them into jira tickets
03:14 < MillerBOSS> Is salesforce worth the money?
03:15 < rpifan> its trash
03:15 < enix> MillerBOSS: fuck no
03:15 < enix> Let me put it to you this way
03:15 < enix> You pay a shit tonne of money, AND HAVE TO BUILD YOUR OWN FUCKING SYSTEM REGARDLESS
03:15 < Sousapro> it's programming for devs by fisher-price
03:15 < enix> Cock gun, place into mount, pull trigger.
03:16 < MillerBOSS> Well that answers that. THANKS GUYZ
03:17 < Sousapro> MillerBOSS: run bro
03:17 < Sousapro> :P
03:18 < MillerBOSS> Our returns department use word documents and move to the proper folder as needed in the workflow the return case is in. They started that before I started 6 years ago. I have been leaving that alone but want to get them set up in some application that helps that process better vs using word documents.
03:19 < Sousapro> yeah salesforce > loose word documents
03:20 < MillerBOSS> It could be used for customer service and what not too. So maybe 20-25 people.
03:20 < rpifan> speaking of which
03:20 < rpifan> got chewed out for reutning a laptop with "Severe" damage
03:20 < rpifan> to get it replaced
03:20 < MillerBOSS> It as in salesforce or the like
03:20 < rpifan> nexttime im getting fine im told
03:22 < jaelae> time for a storage vmotion parttyyyyyy!!!
03:29 < abakedapplepie> turn the enthusiasm down you sadist
03:30 < misspwn_> rpifan, i mean you did drop it htough
03:30 < abakedapplepie> hope someone brought whiskey
03:30 < misspwn_> though
03:30 < PrincessZoey> god, the lengths I go to prove to myself I'm not becoming an alcoholic. https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfs0r7dxno7cx2t/Screenshot%202018-05-23%2020.30.09.png?dl=0
03:30 < rpifan> ssshh
03:30 < rpifan> i didnt drop it
03:30 < abakedapplepie> you mix mountain dew and monster together with vodka?
03:30 < abakedapplepie> you are a sick freak
03:31 < PrincessZoey> dude it's delicious
03:31 < rpifan> it fell of my bike at a high speed
03:31 < rpifan> thats not my dropping it
03:31 < abakedapplepie> no
03:31 < abakedapplepie> whiskey is delicious
03:31 < PrincessZoey> mtn dew code red and the white monster zero
03:31 < abakedapplepie> that is diabetes
03:31 < PrincessZoey> hey one of them is sugar free :P
03:31 < PrincessZoey> it'd be totally sugar free if my store had diet code red
03:31 < abakedapplepie> did you drink 4 loko back in the day too?
03:31 < PrincessZoey> I drink it now
03:31 < PrincessZoey> it's my usual go to drink
03:31 < abakedapplepie> lol
03:32 < PrincessZoey> I'm only drinking this because I lost my license and the cashiers at walgreens know me so well I don't get carded.
03:32 < Sousapro> beetus
03:33 < PrincessZoey> lol my blood sugar is perfect
03:34 < nohusuro> how are yout teeth? :P
03:34 < nohusuro> your*
03:34 < misspwn_> i make koolaid with splenda
03:36 < PrincessZoey> better than my parents :P
03:36 < PrincessZoey> I'm only missing two teeth
03:36 < nohusuro> and the cavities?
03:37 < PrincessZoey> only get one a year
03:37 < nohusuro> you get one cavity a year?
03:37 < PrincessZoey> yep
03:37 < nohusuro> I've had one in 10 years o.O
03:37 < enix> PrincessZoey: you're under 21?
03:37 < PrincessZoey> I'm 28
03:37 < enix> ohhh reread and it made sense
03:37 < MillerBOSS> Oh no not this again.
03:37 < nohusuro> drink some more water!
03:37  * MillerBOSS ALT TABs
03:37 < PrincessZoey> what?
03:38 < enix> People who fear getting carded in australia are people who are generally under 18
03:38 < enix> So hearing tha ti'm like "er what"
03:38 < PrincessZoey> nnah, my doctor lost my license at my last visit and I cbf to go to get it replaced right now
03:47 < enix> ouch
03:47 < enix> HOLD ON
03:47 < enix> misspwn_: KOOLAID AND SPLENDA!?
03:51 < jaelae> i got 3 extra solo tickets
03:51 < jaelae> maybe ill make 3 new friends
03:54 < rhqq> ahh, nothing feels as good as 10km heavy bike ride 4am in the morning
03:57 < Hunterkll> I misread that as <PrincessZoey> nnah, my doctor lost his license at my last visit and I cbf to go to get it replaced right now
03:57 < Hunterkll> and was like
03:57 < Hunterkll> what the FUCK did you do?!
03:57 < PrincessZoey> I mean she did write me a prescription for a med that was 4x the strength I'm supposed to take.
03:58 < xamithan> No idea what cbf means
03:58 < jaelae> cover bare fists
03:59 < PrincessZoey> can't be fucked
03:59 <+TuxedoJack> Trip balls tonight or tomorrow night
04:01 <+TuxedoJack> Such a choice
04:07 < PrincessZoey> do it tonight TuxedoJack
04:08 <+TuxedoJack> Was thinking that, since Friday night I have to go pick up people at the airport and I'm gone all weekend
04:08 <+TuxedoJack> The comedown can be negligible during work, since I work remote
04:13 < sedatesock> I'm tripping the balls that is TCP/IP
04:17 < misspwn_> enix, i try to avoid drinking my calories and koolaid is my childhood without the beetus attached
04:17 < misspwn_> koolaid with splenda that is
04:17 < misspwn_> i tried stevia and couldn't jive with it
04:21 < rpifan> turns out stevia hurts my teeth
04:25 < Casteil> who keeps up with Silicon Valley?
04:28 < voidstar> yo
04:29 < Casteil> my engineer and I had a bit of a "the bear is sticky with honey" moment today with the company owner's response to my email
04:29 < Casteil> (for the uninitiated - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAxAVusStCg )
04:35 < voidstar> lol
04:39 < misspwn_> this happened to me today. *side note: the number is auto generated and not in use once it is marked as delivered.
04:39 < misspwn_> https://imgur.com/a/bL7OCRZ
04:42 <@Nostalg14c> Mornin.
04:43 < rhqq> hi Nostalg14c
04:44 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn_: lol... nvm, i don't need the food, i'll cancel the order
04:44 < misspwn_> JollyRgrs, right?
04:45 < misspwn_> well he brought the food and i had to have one of my coworkers grab it because the creep factor level was escalating
04:45 < misspwn_> he kept blowing up my phone in the parking lot
04:49 < voidstar> eek
04:49 < Holo> Wow
04:49 < Holo> Rip
04:49 < misspwn_> doordash is taking care of it though
04:50 < Casteil> misspwn_: lookofdisappointment.jpg
04:50 < Casteil> ಠ_ಠ
04:50 < Casteil> disapproval,r ather
04:50 < misspwn_> fortunately it was at my work and not my home address
04:51 < Casteil> that's not necessarily better
04:51 < misspwn_> i mean kinda, he doesn't know what i look like. although he has my name and phone number and could look me up
04:51 < Holo> Ekkk
04:52 < misspwn_> nice knowing you nerds :))
04:55 < Church-> misspwn_: Wow, that is... honestly sounds like a really shitty con artist.
04:56 < Church-> So driving home with only one brake working.
04:56 < Church-> Wow what excitement.
04:56 < misspwn_> Church-, front desk person said that he looked like a tweaker or as she described "meth" mouth with a beatup mustang that had a driver door that wouldn't close. the car also looked like it was custom painted with 10 different cans of spray paint
04:56 < misspwn_> so not even a good con artist
04:57 < Church-> Oh geez.
05:05 < Holo> Sounds like the kind to lock you up in a basement
05:10 < Hunterkll> waaaat
05:10 < Hunterkll> fake news just got more fake
05:10 < Hunterkll> :P
05:11 < Hunterkll> comcast is trying to control the president by buying fox
05:11 < Holo> What
05:12 < Holo> They just bought fox?
05:12 < Hunterkll> comcast is lining up a counter bid against disney
05:12 < Hunterkll> to buy fox
05:12 < Holo> Fucking hell
05:12 < Hunterkll> disney's already in at $52.4 billion
05:12 < Holo> I hope not
05:12 < Hunterkll> https://news.slashdot.org/story/18/05/23/2044202/comcast-confirms-plan-to-buy-21st-century-fox-and-control-of-hulu
05:12 < Hunterkll> comcast is rumored to be trying to stack $60bil
05:12 < Holo> Comcast is way way way too big
05:12 < Hunterkll> Holo, i mean, i don't watch much fox stuff (studios or otherwise) anyway
05:12 < Hunterkll> but this way they'd be able to controll the president
05:12 < Church-> Hunterkll: It's more that Comcast is trying to do straight cash.
05:12 < Hunterkll> since they'd own fox news
05:12 < Church-> Instead of stock.
05:13 < Holo> Ya but then they would have unparalleled control
05:13 < Hunterkll> oh nvermind
05:13 < rhqq> fuck that shit
05:13 < Hunterkll> it doesn't have fox news
05:13 < rhqq> production down >.>
05:13 < Hunterkll> The Fox properties for sale do not include assets such as the Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, and Fox Broadcasting Company. Those properties would be spun off into a company being referred to as "New Fox," and Comcast would acquire 21st Century Fox after the spinoff.
05:13 < Holo> So all general tv
05:13 < Hunterkll> movie studio stuff
05:13 < Hunterkll> and tv
05:13 < Church-> Yeah this is Comcast just competing in the streaming area.
05:13 < Hunterkll> disney's probably in for the studio property & assets
05:13 < Hunterkll> damn
05:13 < Hunterkll> my theory was better
05:14 < Hunterkll> President Comcast has a nice ring to it
05:14 < Hunterkll> and probably better approval ratings and customer support
05:15 <@Nostalg14c> Why do my win10 cumulative updates fail to intall 100% of the time.
05:15 < Hunterkll> because you fucked with the base WIM before imaging
05:15 < Hunterkll> 95% of the time that's actually the answer too
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> ye correct
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> i removed the spam apps.
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> Because xbox isnt needed in ENTERPRise
05:16 < Hunterkll> instead of properly managing the system and not worrying about what updates redo what because they never come back
05:16 < Hunterkll> and that xbox was a 16KB stub you could have prevented from self-installing anyway
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> (more than xbox)
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> just saying the amount of shit in enterprise iso is retarded
05:17 < Hunterkll> so is most of the other stuff
05:17 < Hunterkll> yes
05:17 < Hunterkll> and with the right GPO it's alll gone
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> i dont believe you
05:17 < Hunterkll> or if you do the removal in the task sequence instead of the base WIM
05:17 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, disable the MS experience via GPO and watch shit evaporate
05:17 < Hunterkll> that's one of the settings you need
05:17 < Hunterkll> just read the DoD STIG
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> ye, that doesnt remove all the shitty apps.
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> i have that enabled already
05:17 < Hunterkll> DOD *screams* don't modify the base WIM
05:17 < Hunterkll> that's one of many
05:17 <@Nostalg14c> that just hides candy crush.
05:17 < Hunterkll> but anyway, also managed start screen
05:18 <@Nostalg14c> done.
05:18 < Hunterkll> though, i have had some developers ask for xbox to remain because of screen recording
05:18 <@Nostalg14c> removing from WIM is the only way ive had the apps actually stop re-installing on new profiles etc.
05:18 < Hunterkll> check to see what settings you're using against the STIG
05:18 < Hunterkll> nah, deprovision as well as the other step
05:18 < Hunterkll> there's two steps if you do it in TS
05:18 <@Nostalg14c> where can i find the ts steps.
05:18 <@Nostalg14c> that actually work.
05:19 < Hunterkll> i dunno
05:19 < Hunterkll> we don't use them
05:19 < Hunterkll> we use GPO
05:19 < Hunterkll> :)
05:19 < Hunterkll> even 1803 didn't make anything come back
05:19 <@Nostalg14c> as i said
05:19 <@Nostalg14c> GPO doesnt remove the shitty apps.
05:19 < Hunterkll> it removes the stubs from visibility
05:19 <@Nostalg14c> nope
05:19 < Hunterkll> uhuh
05:19 < Hunterkll> multiple settings, i don't remember all of them
05:19 <@Nostalg14c> photoshop express, get office, duolingo, movies, msn news, paid wifi & cellular
05:20 < Hunterkll> but mucking in the base WIM always causes problems
05:20 < Hunterkll> huh
05:20 < Hunterkll> only one i had was duolingo as a search result and taht's because i actually signed into the store
05:20 <@Nostalg14c> i'd rather re-deploy a new modified wim with the apps removed and patch injected
05:20 <@Nostalg14c> every month.
05:21 < Hunterkll> lel
05:21 < Hunterkll> we have in the end 40k machines total we'll be working on
05:21 < Hunterkll> we aintt got time for that shit
05:21 <@Nostalg14c> ya this is 10k machines
05:21 < Hunterkll> but we've been rolling for over a year starting on 1607 so
05:21 < Hunterkll> no problems here
05:21 <@Nostalg14c> it's more likely the patches will be stopped for 6 months intervals.
05:22 < Hunterkll> oh nice
05:22 < Hunterkll> new stig last month
05:23 < Hunterkll> Care must be taken with the whitelisting of universal apps. Several system-related items such as the Start menu are also in the form of appx packages. The built-in whitelisting program, AppLocker, can scan a system and automatically create rules for existing apps such as the system apps.
05:23 < Hunterkll> lol
05:23 < Hunterkll> which idiot at the NSA learned that lesson the hard way
05:23 <@Nostalg14c> have you pushed out 1803 yet
05:23 < Hunterkll> not yet, just to my own device
05:23 < Hunterkll> i left my sccm client 'broken'
05:23 < Hunterkll> ;)
05:23 < Hunterkll> windows update picked it up
05:23 < Hunterkll> llol
05:23 < Hunterkll> no issues
05:24 <@Nostalg14c> Doing a fleet refresh at some point soon going from w7 to w10
05:24 <@Nostalg14c> Not sure if i should use 1803 as the base or not.
05:24 < Hunterkll> When are you doing it?
05:24 < Hunterkll> we've already had the first wave of patches for it
05:24 < Hunterkll> if it's in two months or so, ya, i'd start on 1803
05:24 <@Nostalg14c> Depends how quickly UAT goes.
05:25 < Hunterkll> remember 18 months (+6 for enterprise/education) for support cycle
05:25 < Hunterkll> we're on 1607 for most of the fleet so we're backs against a walll to get 1709 out
05:25 < Hunterkll> since we're in that +6 window
05:25 <@Nostalg14c> Yeah this is ent/ed.
05:25 < Hunterkll> still, that gives you two years to get 1809 out if you roll 1803
05:25 < Hunterkll> so
05:26 <@Nostalg14c> Just hate the idea of rolling something out, only to need/want to upgrade it shortly after.
05:26 < Hunterkll> we're just shipping upgrades via SCCM
05:26 < Hunterkll> not reimaging or anything
05:26 < Hunterkll> A separate servicing branch intended for special purpose systems is the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC, formerly Branch - LTSB) which will receive security updates for 10 years but excludes feature updates. Systems using an LTSC/B version may not be able to meet all requirements of the STIG as new features are added, which organizations will need to address.
05:26 < Hunterkll> ^--- aka don't use LTSB
05:26 <@Nostalg14c> Yeah, the feature upgrade packs.
05:26 < Hunterkll> according to DISA :P
05:26 < Hunterkll> oh yea don't forget this if you need to
05:27 < Hunterkll> i had to get an exemption for my machine for it but w/e
05:27 < Hunterkll> Computer Configuration >> Administrative Templates >> Windows Components >> Microsoft Account >> "Block all consumer Microsoft account user authentication"
05:27 < enix> https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/optus-fined-1-5-million-for-forcing-customers-to-switch-to-nbn/?utm_source=Gizmodo+Australia&utm_campaign=69e255b5d6-gizmodo_2018_05_24&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7a0c493e18-69e255b5d6-278876441
05:27 <@Nostalg14c> There's a frick ton of different hw here, so i'm not sure how able it'd be to push out the feature update though.
05:27 < enix> SUCK
05:27 < enix> SHIT
05:27 < enix> I was wondering why my home internet hasn't been too bad lately
05:27 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, it's hardware independant reallly
05:27 < Hunterkll> just test once on each model to see if problems
05:27 <@Nostalg14c> in an ideal world.
05:27 < Hunterkll> use the MDT upgrade task sequence
05:27 <@Nostalg14c> yeh, the one of each model is the hard part.
05:27 < Hunterkll> that way you can inject shit if you need to fix it
05:27 < Hunterkll> but i mean i bllanket dropped updates on like 15 different models of dell, hp, lenovo, etc without issue
05:27 < Hunterkll> desktop and laptop
05:28 <@Nostalg14c> this win 10 gpo for user/computer config is fking massive rn
05:28 < Hunterkll> eh
05:28 < Hunterkll> it's actually smaller than my 7 and 8.1 ones
05:28 < Hunterkll> but we were heavy leaning STIG compliance
05:28 < Hunterkll> 10 made the config simpler
05:29 <@Nostalg14c> im guessing that doesnt effect 365 auth.
05:29 < Hunterkll> right
05:29 < Hunterkll> depending
05:29 < Hunterkll> like, that would still allow windows store for business, onedrive for business, etc
05:29 < Hunterkll> that's for built in stuff like store, cortana, etc
05:30 < enix> Hunterkll: you should write a blog
05:30 < enix> And I dont mean that sarcastically. I'd read it
05:30 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, ya, NSA/DISA guidance is just to manage the start menu initially to hide the appx and use applocker to whitelist
05:30 < Hunterkll> llol
05:30 < Hunterkll> though there's other ways to deny access via GPO too
05:30 < Hunterkll> the newer version of the STIG doesn't use those anymore
05:30 < Hunterkll> i'll have to dig up an old version
05:30 <@Nostalg14c> yeah, our shit is picky though.
05:30 <@Nostalg14c> There's a huge difference between unable to open, and unable to see.
05:30 < Hunterkll> pickier than the NSA?
05:30 < Hunterkll> lol
05:30 < Hunterkll> again
05:30 < Hunterkll> that's the managed start setup
05:31 < Hunterkll> and, like i also said, deprovision during TS if you're thaaat concerned
05:31 <@Nostalg14c> We are rolling out AppLocker with the deployment though.
05:31 <@Nostalg14c> Streaming event logs into ELK
05:31 < Hunterkll> use the NSA's applocker defaeults
05:31 < Hunterkll> it's super lalx
05:31 < Hunterkll> *lax
05:31 < Hunterkll> admin can run anything
05:31 < Hunterkll> anything in program files can run
05:31 < Hunterkll> etc
05:31 < Hunterkll> users can't write to program files without admin so it's great
05:32 <@Nostalg14c> yeah its legit default rn
05:32 < Hunterkll> v1607 - Microsoft support is scheduled to end 9 October 2018. | v1703 - Microsoft support is scheduled to end 9 April 2019. | v1709 - Microsoft support is scheduled to end 8 October 2019. | v1803 - Microsoft support tentatively scheduled to end October 2019.
05:32 < Hunterkll> end of support dates
05:32 < Hunterkll> for ent/edu
05:32 <@Nostalg14c> hm.
05:32 <@Nostalg14c> 1709 is the img rn.
05:32 < Hunterkll> according to DISA
05:32 < Hunterkll> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet
05:33 < Hunterkll> MS too
05:33 < Hunterkll> https://iase.disa.mil/stigs/os/windows/Pages/win10.aspx
05:33 <@Nostalg14c> thing is.
05:33 < Hunterkll> ^-- good shit there
05:33 <@Nostalg14c> What is there's some dope 1803 featuer we want.
05:33 < Hunterkll> WSL improvements are baller
05:33 < Hunterkll> that's why i'm pushing it
05:33 < Hunterkll> i also pllay linux admin though
05:33 < xe0n> lol
05:33 < Hunterkll> and solaris admin
05:33 < Hunterkll> so
05:33 < Hunterkll> i wear all the hats
05:33 < xe0n> must have a big head.
05:34 < Hunterkll> nah
05:34 < Hunterkll> just not much linux
05:34 < Hunterkll> it's kinda neat
05:34 <@Nostalg14c> https://www.computerworld.com/article/3269773/microsoft-windows/win10-1803-bugs-roll-in-chrome-freezes-skype-burps-alienware-craters-and-hey-cortana.html
05:34 < Hunterkll> i'm on like 30-40 people wintel team, 5 people linux team, and 2 people solaris team
05:34 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, specific HW configs that are being banged out
05:34 < Hunterkll> yea
05:34 < Hunterkll> that's .1
05:34 <@Nostalg14c> So maybe...
05:35 <@Nostalg14c> 1803 image, inject may cumulative update, then remove apps w/ TS
05:35 < Hunterkll> there ya go
05:35 < xe0n> Nostalg14c: get on the patch management list if you want some other goss, susan manages the list
05:35 < Hunterkll> that shoulld help
05:35 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, don't remove too much though
05:35 <@Nostalg14c> I know.
05:35 <@Nostalg14c> All the shit that breaks the fucking store.
05:35 <@Nostalg14c> Thanks .net libraries.
05:35 < Hunterkll> It's the core of the OS moving to WinRT man
05:35 < Hunterkll> Even the UAC prompts are WinRT based
05:36 < Hunterkll> Win32 is *deprecated*
05:36 < Hunterkll> note: you can use WinRT in non-store apps. this is not a move to force you into the store or whatever
05:36 <@Nostalg14c> Attackers might be trying to steal your information from www.iad.gov (for example, passwords, messages or credit cards). Learn more
05:36 < Hunterkll> it's just a repllacement for Win32 in exe's and shit
05:36 <@Nostalg14c> NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
05:36 < xe0n> some people just dont get it...
05:36 <@Nostalg14c> lol.
05:36 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, you don't have the DoD root cerst installled
05:36 < Hunterkll> :)
05:36 < Hunterkll> they use their own internal PKI
05:36 < Hunterkll> fuck public shit
05:36 < Hunterkll> and quite frankly who would want the DoD's root certs in their home machine anyway
05:36 <@Nostalg14c> why is this doc published in 2014
05:36 <@Nostalg14c> still valid? :D
05:37 < Hunterkll> then the NSA has like, unfettered access
05:37 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, what doc?
05:37 < Hunterkll> https://iase.disa.mil/stigs/os/windows/Pages/win10.aspx - current STIG release was published 4/27/2018
05:37 <@Nostalg14c> NSA Information Assurance has a security guide for AppLocker called Application Whitelisting Using Microsoft AppLocker.
05:37 < Hunterkll> oh that
05:37 < Hunterkll> yea
05:37 < Hunterkll> scan on a prepped machine for appx alllow rules
05:37 < Hunterkll> and that's it
05:37 < Hunterkll> the built in rules for applocker are super simple
05:37 < Hunterkll> er, for the NSA baselline
05:38 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, of course, the NSA's github is a little more up to date it seems - changes in the last year or two
05:38 < Hunterkll> https://github.com/nsacyber/AppLocker-Guidance
05:38 <@Nostalg14c> Thats the page i was on
05:38 < Hunterkll> https://github.com/nsacyber/Windows-Secure-Host-Baseline <-- this shit is legit
05:38 <@Nostalg14c> with the references to the papers.
05:38 < Hunterkll> a few years ago it was impossible to get SHB stuff outside of the industry
05:39 < ktechmidas> I swear irssi used to let me use /server to connect
05:39 < ktechmidas> now I have to use /connect
05:39 < ktechmidas> you really notice devs breaking/deprecating stuff with Arch.... >.>
05:40 < Hunterkll> ktechmidas, yea, at least with microsoft them deprecating something doesn't become an issue until the end of either the last supporting OS's lifecycle or 10 years
05:40 < Hunterkll> lol
05:40 < Hunterkll> like the NAC features in winodws server....
05:40 < ktechmidas> Same with most distros, Ubuntu is usually frozen for 5 years in LTS releases
05:40 < ktechmidas> I just needed something more cutting edge
05:40 < Hunterkll> yes, but shit from other linux systems stilll fucking breaks
05:40 < Hunterkll> openSuSE mang
05:40 < ktechmidas> Debian is even worse for freezing stuff
05:41 < Hunterkll> I have a pathollogical hatred for ubuntu
05:41 < Hunterkll> after something i wrote didn't work on a developer machine but they needed to use it
05:41 < ktechmidas> they'll freeze it until the next cycle... which is usually a good 3 years
05:41 < Hunterkll> but it ran on GENTOO, RHEL, SLACKWARE, SOLARIS, HP-UX, AND AIX
05:41 < Hunterkll> AND SUSE
05:41 < Hunterkll> like
05:41 < Hunterkll> fuck ubuntu
05:41 < Hunterkll> moving shit around and breaking shit for no dumb reason
05:41 < ktechmidas> I'd say fuck Debian in that case
05:41 < Hunterkll> finally got that asshole to install SuSE
05:41 < ktechmidas> rather than ubuntu
05:41 < Hunterkll> nope
05:41 < ktechmidas> :P
05:41 < Hunterkll> it ran on debian
05:41 < ktechmidas> :o
05:41 < ktechmidas> usually my issues stem from Debian
05:41 < ktechmidas> and the Debian devs telling me to GTFO
05:42 < ktechmidas> when I go argue with them about it
05:42 < Hunterkll> lol
05:42 < ktechmidas> (the amount of Debian communities I've been banned from...)
05:42 < ktechmidas> usually for silly reasons... they really don't like to be helpful people
05:43 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, fun fact - the STIG specifies the minimum version as 1607, but you can't comply with all the settings in the latest STIG without 1709 :D
05:43 < Hunterkll> "This is NA prior to v1709 of Windows 10"
05:43 < ktechmidas> At least with Arch they'll actually help you, then tell you off for being a noob
05:43 <@Nostalg14c> 1607 sounds so fricken old.
05:43 < Hunterkll> it is, technollogy wise
05:43 < Hunterkll> exploit protection is llegit
05:43 < Hunterkll> hah!
05:43 < Hunterkll> it's telling me my TPM needs a firmware update
05:44 <@Nostalg14c> Do oyu guys use that ugh..
05:44 <@Nostalg14c> bitlocker MBAM
05:44 < Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/8mbAMgv
05:44 < Hunterkll> yes
05:44 < Hunterkll> we do use MBAM to manage bitllocker encryption
05:44 < Hunterkll> because fuck using 3rd party shit
05:44 <@Nostalg14c> Is there like, actual benefits for it. or is it just more compliance reporting.
05:44 < ktechmidas> you guys are speaking a foreign language now
05:44 < ktechmidas> I can't do Windows :(
05:44 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, it changes recovery key after a successful recovery & boot when it connects back to the MBAM server
05:45 < ktechmidas> I become an end-user when it comes to Windows
05:45 < Hunterkll> and ez helpdesk access to keys
05:45 < Hunterkll> etc
05:45 <@Nostalg14c> yeah thats like
05:45 <@Nostalg14c> 2 features for a 3 server deployment im not interested in.
05:45 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, it'll also do TPM backups & key package backups
05:45 < Hunterkll> 3? I think I did it in 2
05:45 < Hunterkll> eh
05:45 <@Nostalg14c> Probably. Just saying.
05:45 <@Nostalg14c> more than i care for for such little gains.
05:46 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, end user first boot pin setting after imaging, etc
05:46 < Hunterkll> they can get a default pin, then when they log in MBAM agent forces them to set a new pin
05:46 < Hunterkll> polilcy enforcement for different devices
05:46 < Hunterkll> lots of little things
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> hm true.
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> Our bitlocker is super basic rn, no pin.
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> Just ad stored keys.
05:48 <@Nostalg14c> Could possibly look at doing Pins/keys with auto network auth.
05:48 < Hunterkll> it's not any 1 'big' feature
05:48 < Hunterkll> it just makes the whole ordeal a lot less painless and gives you more functionality
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> Dumb question possibly; do you know if its tough to migrate to in the future.
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> I sasuem not.
05:49 <@JollyRgrs> i don't see much need for PIN
05:49 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, if they already have your windows domain password... you're kinda screwed
05:49 < Hunterkll> uh?
05:49 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, the pin is pre-windows
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> Thats not the point JollyRgrs
05:49 < Hunterkll> the boot pin
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> ^
05:49 <@JollyRgrs> well, yeah, i suppose you're right
05:49 < Hunterkll> we're talking the disk encryption
05:49 <@JollyRgrs> but assuming that there's no flaws in windows... lol
05:50 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, nope, just deploy the agent via SCCM or whatever
05:50 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, this is before windows
05:50 < Hunterkll> pre-boot drive encryption
05:50 < Hunterkll> just like $insert_product_here
05:50 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: i said there's no point in a PIN, assuming no flaws in windows login auth
05:50 < Hunterkll> again
05:50 < Hunterkll> if you can't get to windows login at all
05:50 < Hunterkll> then there's a damn good point to the pin
05:50 <@JollyRgrs> but assuming that there's no flaws in windows...
05:50 < Hunterkll> the pin is /not/ windows auth
05:50 < Hunterkll> .....
05:50 < Hunterkll> this is BEFORE WINDOWS
05:50 <@JollyRgrs> i know!
05:50 < Hunterkll> then the flaws in windows don't matter
05:50 <@JollyRgrs> pull the asshairs our of your ears
05:51 <@JollyRgrs> but assuming no flaws, the PIN doesn't do much for ya
05:51 < Hunterkll> ... yes it does?
05:51 <@JollyRgrs> b/c it only gets decrypted if booting to windows
05:51 < Hunterkll> data at rest encryption
05:51 < Hunterkll> if i can get past it
05:51 <@JollyRgrs> so... AGAIN... MY WHOLE POINT... is that if windows auth isn't compromised
05:51 < Hunterkll> that means i can intercept keys
05:51 < Hunterkll> that means that
05:51 < Hunterkll> i can decrypt the drive elsewhere
05:51 < xe0n> lollll
05:51  * xe0n eats popcorn
05:51 < Hunterkll> firewire, usb 3 DMA, etc attacks
05:51 < Hunterkll> all very good for ganking keys
05:51 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: i'm not arguing with you on your point... but you are not understanding my point
05:51 < Hunterkll> thunderbolt
05:52 < Hunterkll> you don't have to compromise windows auth to get the key sif you know the pin
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> it was a damned joke
05:52 < Hunterkll> pfff
05:52 < Hunterkll> i'm a security nazi
05:52 < Hunterkll> i dont make jokes
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> i know
05:52 < Hunterkll> unless it's about the size of your micropenis
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> it is sad when you try
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> case in point
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> your mom happens to love my micropenis
05:52 < Hunterkll> at least it's bigger than cryptic1
05:52 <@JollyRgrs> it hits her right in the spot
05:53 < Hunterkll> i had no idea my mom was 11
05:53 < misspwn_> llike a little tootsie roll
05:53 < misspwn_> sometimes you need just a little sweetness
05:53 < Hunterkll> lol
05:53 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn_: but the long ones... like the 4 in tootsie rolls!
05:53 <@JollyRgrs> mine's the vanilla flavored one
05:53 < Hunterkll> those are fukin nasty
05:53 < misspwn_> the vanilla or lime ones are some of my favorites
05:53 < ktechmidas> friggin lastpass, changes my password, doesn't save the new one
05:53 < Hunterkll> misspwn_, the green ones? yea those are good
05:54 < Hunterkll> the only vanilla i want right now is a can of vanilla icing to eat
05:54 < Hunterkll> alaas
05:54 <@JollyRgrs> mmm
05:54 <@JollyRgrs> buttercream or whipped?
05:54 < Hunterkll> it is not meant to be right now
05:54 < Hunterkll> either way
05:54 < Hunterkll> as long as its chilled
05:54 < Hunterkll> warm icing is for cucks and cakes
05:55 < xe0n> Yippee Kie Yay, Mr Falcon
05:56 < Hunterkll> THE SHITTENING HAS OCCURED
05:56 < Hunterkll> oh i just realized RDP is fixed from my surface now
05:56 < Hunterkll> latest build fixed the mstsc auth errors
05:56 < Hunterkll> from surface to win10 1803+ devices
05:56 < Hunterkll> surface was newer build
05:56 < Hunterkll> but it worked to 2012 R2...
05:58 <@JollyRgrs> man, wtf were ppl talking about this morning? i right click on my adapter icon in systray and go to network settings and "change adapter options" is RIGHT THERE FRONT AND CENTER in the middle
05:58 <@JollyRgrs> they were all hatin in win10 this morning, for stupid things that i couldn't even confirm (still can't)
05:59 < ktechmidas> People hate change
05:59 < Hunterkll> ERHMAGHERD IT MOVED 3 INCHES AND MAKES MORE SENSE NOW
05:59 <@JollyRgrs> i still hold that i think win10 is best win OS since win2k
05:59 < Hunterkll> I HATE WINDOWS 10
05:59 < ktechmidas> and will find every little thing to bitch about
05:59 < xe0n> win 10 is fine
05:59 < ktechmidas> I like Windows 10
05:59 < Hunterkll> apparently my TPM needs a firmware update
05:59 < Hunterkll> lol
05:59 < ktechmidas> absolutely no issue
05:59 < ktechmidas> but I'm very much an end-user with Windows, I'm a Linux admin
05:59 <@JollyRgrs> i didn't like win8, or even 8.1
05:59 <@JollyRgrs> not b/c of no start menu
05:59 <@JollyRgrs> but because i couldn't just hit the win key and start typing (for search)
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> and the search shortcut took up the whole screen until 8.1 made it half-screen
06:00 < Jay-Ros> what a fucking day...
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> that's the only thing i had against 8/8.1
06:00 < Jay-Ros> I feel like I've got nothing done
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> Jay-Ros: good news
06:00 < ktechmidas> welcome to my world Jay-Ros
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> today's a new day... you can get more nothing done today!
06:00 < ktechmidas> Trying to get people in the same damn chatroom, on the same day
06:00 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, actually win8+ worked better keyboard only / search for me
06:00 <@JollyRgrs> ktechmidas: your nick always makes me think ketchup
06:00 < ktechmidas> is a nigh on impossible task
06:01 < Hunterkll> i hated 10 initially because i had to use the mouse more
06:01 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: rly? i liked win7 and now win10
06:01 < Hunterkll> still do
06:01 <@JollyRgrs> wasn't a fan of the one in 8
06:01 < Hunterkll> win8 was amazing because i could just abandon the mouse
06:01 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, tab-tab-enter
06:01 < ktechmidas> JollyRgrs: I'm 'retiring' this nick slowly :P
06:01 < Hunterkll> alll apps view
06:01 < Hunterkll> start typin'
06:01 <@JollyRgrs> but what if you want a doc?
06:01 < Hunterkll> winkey type doc name
06:01 <@JollyRgrs> didn't you have to swtich between all apps and all docs?
06:02 < Hunterkll> search results worked just like they do in 10 for me
06:02 < Hunterkll> i just have to click shit now
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> i don't
06:02 < Hunterkll> eh in 8 you may have had to
06:02 < Hunterkll> that may have been an 8.1 switch
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> if it is the first item, just hit enter
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> otherwise, arrow down then enter
06:02 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, i'm searching for visual studio items that have like 30 similar entries
06:02 < Hunterkll> >_<
06:02 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - I have a supremely bad habit of creating batch files in system32
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: yeah, well, that'll do it for ya
06:02 < Hunterkll> when your visual studio stuff has like 150+ entries
06:02 < Hunterkll> lol
06:02 < Hunterkll> win10 i could just arrow key around
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> so pin it to taskbar and do win+number
06:02 < Hunterkll> er
06:02 < Hunterkll> win 8/8.1
06:02 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, still 150+ stuff
06:02 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, i get what you're sayin with that
06:03 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll, my batch files have things like opening folder locations, opening applications etc
06:03 < Hunterkll> lol
06:03 <@JollyRgrs> i wish you could mark a file for indexer to push it to the top of the index when searching for key words
06:03 < Hunterkll> i've got ph4t STACKS of visual stduio
06:03 < Hunterkll> like 2309582039523085 versions at a time
06:03 < Hunterkll> etc
06:03 < Hunterkll> lol
06:03 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: i got the vs live plugin for vs code
06:03 <@JollyRgrs> i hope i get to use it sometime ever
06:03 < Hunterkll> loll
06:04 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A
06:04 <@JollyRgrs> and i'm def. not gonna use it with anyone in here, lol
06:04 < ktechmidas> JollyRgrs: what happened to my +v again? :o
06:04 <@JollyRgrs> it'd either be collab at work for something, or possibly a friend outside of this channel that i trust a bit more
06:04 < ktechmidas> it keeps disappearing
06:04 < ktechmidas> and reappearing
06:04 <@JollyRgrs> ktechmidas: i dunno... host changed maybe?
06:04 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, what, my malware is clean!
06:04 < Jay-Ros> we're not trustworthy JollyRgrs?
06:04 < ktechmidas> but I can't get it to reappear now :(
06:05 <+ktechmidas> :D
06:05 < Hunterkll> I took an advanced malware design class and everything to learn how to make clean malware
06:05 < Hunterkll> :(
06:05 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: gotta make sure your code is clean :)
06:05 <+ktechmidas> "clean" malware?
06:05 <@JollyRgrs> no one likes a shitty malware code
06:05 < Nightcinder> "The less crazy version produces 415 horsepower and 3,675 foot-pounds of torque. But most people will probably take leave of their senses and go for the thoroughly crazy version, good for 555 horsepower and 4,900 foot-pounds of torque."
06:05 < Jay-Ros> uurgh... that malware with memory leaks...
06:06 < Nightcinder> that seems like juuust a bit too much torque
06:06 <@JollyRgrs> i mean... the only thing worse than a virus... is the virus that causes your computer to not work (which defeats the purpose of the one benefiting from you having the virus)
06:06 < Jay-Ros> nightcinder - wht vehicle is that?
06:06 < Nightcinder> https://www.wired.com/story/nikola-electric-utv-off-road-zero/
06:06 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, 0% detection rate!
06:06 < Nightcinder> 0-60 in 3.9 because you have no traction to 60
06:06 < Nightcinder> lol
06:06 < Jay-Ros> Why does it look like a revamp Voltron lion fucked a tron Blu-Ray?
06:07 < Jay-Ros> does it have blue streak?
06:07 < Jay-Ros> streaks*
06:07 < Nightcinder> you could pain tthem on
06:07 <+ktechmidas> probably shouldn't tell you guys from this account... but I sold some russians some crypto/encryption malware that refunded everyone and shut itself down 2 weeks later
06:07 <@JollyRgrs> lol
06:07 <+ktechmidas> pretty sure there's a bounty on my head now
06:08 <@JollyRgrs> in soviet russia, you place the bounty on your head
06:08 <@JollyRgrs> wait, what?
06:08 < Jay-Ros> ktechmidas - the canadian version apologies for the inconvenience
06:08 < enix> Installing .Net 4.7
06:09 < enix> easiest way ?
06:09 <+ktechmidas> Jay-Ros: I actually saw some that apologised, Iranian-based interestingly
06:09 < enix> oh shit 4.0 and 3.0 apparently
06:09 < enix> how stupid is this
06:09 <+ktechmidas> they were also open to negotiation on the price
06:10 < Jay-Ros> enix - what're you setting up?
06:11 < Jay-Ros> I've hit a major wall :(
06:11 < MadCamel> soory. your compooter is a bit hosed. maybe time to buy a new one eh?
06:12 < enix> I built my own wall to hit
06:12 < enix> and live within it's confines
06:12 < enix> with the fucking phone outside
06:12 < enix> And egg shells on the walls
06:12 < enix> So I cant hear the cunt ring
06:12 < Jay-Ros> hahahahhahaa
06:13 < Jay-Ros> "fuck you phone"
06:13 < enix> But i'm installing our own software and I have to install dependencies. However we are the most supportive, fantastic company in the world and have NO roadmap or install guide
06:13 < enix> How to install: Run installer
06:13 < enix> Did it fail? Yes? What was the error message? understand what it means or your fucked.
06:14 < xe0n> lol
06:14 < MadCamel> sounds like how computers used to be. aka just fine.
06:14 < Jay-Ros> Clippy "Hi! it looks like you're trying to install a piece of software. Would you like s0m3jd$31f.....[error: no help found, error code h]"
06:15 < enix> Windows Server roles and features cannot be automatically installed or uninstalled via the windows features control panel
06:15 < enix> FUCK
06:15 < enix> WINDOWS
06:15 < Jay-Ros> Can you powershell them?
06:15 < enix> Maybe
06:16 < Jay-Ros> Install-WindowsFeature -Name <feature_name> -VHD <path> -computerName <computer_name> -Restart
06:16 < enix> does .net 3.5 == .net 3.0?
06:16 < xe0n> ...you use cmdlet or server manager lol
06:16 < Jay-Ros> oooh, no I think you need to use server manager or an msi for .net
06:16 <+ktechmidas> enix: no
06:16 <+ktechmidas> I know this one :P
06:17 <+ktechmidas> from trying to install games many years ago
06:17 < enix> haha
06:17 < MadCamel> hopefully some day a package and dependency manager will catch on big in the windows world.. there's a few of them already but nobody uses 'em
06:17 < enix> God love gaming
06:17 < Jay-Ros> enix Install-WindowsFeature .NET-Framework-45-Features
06:17 < enix> Jay-Ros: I need 3.0
06:17 <+ktechmidas> although 3.0/3.5 were XP era I think
06:17 < Jay-Ros> Install-WindowsFeature .NET-Framework-30-Features ?
06:17 < xe0n> NDP471-KB4033342-x86-x64-AllOS-ENU.exe /passive /norestart
06:17 < enix> How do I tell windows server to not be a cunt and to let me and my software install whatever the fuck it needs to?
06:18 < xe0n> pretty sure 472 is out now lol
06:18 < enix> > source files cannot be found
06:18 < enix> WOW
06:18 < Jay-Ros> DISM /Online /Enable-Feature /FeatureName:NetFx3 /All
06:18 < Jay-Ros> cmd
06:18 <@Nostalg14c> 12:18 < enix> > source files cannot be found
06:18 <@Nostalg14c> triggered
06:18 < enix> Jay-Ros: thank you
06:18 <@Nostalg14c> i had to blog post about fixing this once
06:18 < enix> nOpe
06:18 <@Nostalg14c> you need to get an install iso
06:18 <+Hunterkll> ya gottaa /install-source:C:\fuckyou\sources\sxs
06:19 < enix> YOu have got to be fucking kdiding me
06:19 < Anaphylaxis> ;D
06:19 <+Hunterkll> eh it's -source
06:19 <+Hunterkll> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askpfeplat/2014/09/29/attempting-to-install-net-framework-3-5-on-windows-server-2012-r2-fails-with-error-code-0x800f0906-or-the-source-files-could-not-be-downloaded-even-when-supplying-source/
06:19 <+Hunterkll> ^--
06:19 <+Hunterkll> that's how you do it
06:19 <+Hunterkll> have the ISO mounted
06:19 <+ktechmidas> with 3.0 though?
06:19 <+Hunterkll> for the appropriate edition
06:19 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, yes, 3.5 is 3.0
06:19 <+Hunterkll> netfx3 is the feature name for both
06:20 <+ktechmidas> Ah sorry, I was wrong enix
06:20 < enix> BUT IT HAS INTERNET ACCESS :(
06:20 < Jay-Ros> I love the collaboration right now
06:20 <+Hunterkll> enix, depends on your update configuration
06:20 <+Hunterkll> and many things
06:20 < enix> For fucks sake
06:20 <+Hunterkll> and if you've ever updated
06:20 < enix> FUck this client can fucking rape themselves with a fucking cactus the stupid cunts
06:20 <+Hunterkll> also run a windows update pass on it after installing
06:20 <+Hunterkll> since i'tll be unpatched 3.5
06:20 <+Hunterkll> :D
06:20 <+Hunterkll> enix, how have you never run into this before?
06:20 <+Hunterkll> we embedded 3.5 into our base wim for windows 8.1 at a site because of this
06:20 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:20 < enix> We typically build these things ourselves
06:20 < Jay-Ros> OK try this mr. Enix
06:20 < Jay-Ros> https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/download/details.aspx?id=25150
06:21 <+Hunterkll> no
06:21 < Jay-Ros> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/deploy-net-framework-35-by-using-deployment-image-servicing-and-management--dism
06:21 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, won't work on 8/2012 and above
06:21 < Jay-Ros> no? fuck
06:21 <+Hunterkll> I ALREADY LINKED TEH DAMN FIX
06:21 < Jay-Ros> hahaha
06:21 <+Hunterkll> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askpfeplat/2014/09/29/attempting-to-install-net-framework-3-5-on-windows-server-2012-r2-fails-with-error-code-0x800f0906-or-the-source-files-could-not-be-downloaded-even-when-supplying-source/ <-- jesus fuck
06:21 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, the standalones are for 7 and below
06:21 <+Hunterkll> there's 3rd party standalones, but thehy just include the source files and run the DISM command for you
06:21 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:21 <+ktechmidas> why does MS make things so complicated
06:21 < Jay-Ros> instructions unclear: dick stuck in desk drawer
06:21 <+ktechmidas> :(
06:21 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, because they've deprecated this shit
06:21 < Jay-Ros> gotcha
06:22 <+Hunterkll> this issue started in 2012/8
06:22 < enix> https://i.imgur.com/Oa0I7g8.png
06:22 < enix> I just vented to the stupid little feedback box at the bottom
06:22 <+ktechmidas> even Bill Gates coimplained about this shit in Windows XP :P
06:22 <+Hunterkll> jesus christ enix
06:22 <+Hunterkll> you're a tard
06:22 < xe0n> lolll
06:22 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, no, in WinXP this shit came in via windows update
06:22 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll, but he's OUR tard
06:22 <@Nostalg14c> lol
06:22 <@Nostalg14c> Its gonna be auto flagged for swearing hombre.
06:22 <+ktechmidas> Hunterkll: Nah it never worked
06:22 <+ktechmidas> I always needed the standalone stuff
06:22 < enix> bunch of softcocks
06:22 <+Hunterkll> no, that was movie maker
06:22 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:22 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, 1.0 came in fine
06:22 < enix> The lot of them
06:22 < enix> whats wrong with swearing
06:22 <+Hunterkll> but .NET 3.0 is 2006
06:23 <+Hunterkll> and .NET 3.5 is 2007
06:23 <+Hunterkll> you're literally
06:23 <+ktechmidas> yeah, it all went wrong after 1.0
06:23 < Jay-Ros> Nostalg14c, someone needs to re-comment with the snakes on a plane clean version after that comment
06:23 <+Hunterkll> complaining
06:23 <+Hunterkll> about decade old compatibillity support
06:23 <+Hunterkll> not being included in the base OS
06:23 < enix> ITS NOT MY FAULT
06:23 < enix> Blame my developers
06:23 <+Hunterkll> enix, this is fucking *STANDARD*
06:23 <+Hunterkll> this is not a new procedure
06:23 <+Hunterkll> you shoulld know this
06:23 < enix> HOW IS THIS STANDARD
06:23 <+Hunterkll> and have been able to do it without asking
06:23 <+ktechmidas> enix: can they not like... use a newer .net?
06:23 <+Hunterkll> WHEN YOU DO ADD/REMOVE FEATURES TO WINDOWS INSTALL
06:23 < enix> Straight up the article is like "this is due to a new update"
06:23 <+Hunterkll> IT ASKS YOU FOR THE SOURCE FILES
06:23 <+Hunterkll> WHEN YOU DO ADD/REMOVE FEATURES TO WINDOWS INSTALL
06:23 <+Hunterkll> IT ASKS YOU FOR THE SOURCE FILES
06:23 <+Hunterkll> from the SERVER MANAGER GUI
06:23 < enix> ktechmidas: They cant even get their own fucking software to run properly
06:23 <+ktechmidas> Hunterkll: play nice
06:23 <+Hunterkll> IT EXPLICITLY IN 2012
06:23 < Jay-Ros> :( hunterkll is hunting and klling right now
06:23 <+Hunterkll> WHEN IT WAS RELEASED
06:24 <+Hunterkll> SAID SPECIFY THE SOURCE FILES
06:24 <+ktechmidas> I don't know how to do this
06:24 <+ktechmidas> either
06:24 <+Hunterkll> IF YOU SELECTED NETFX 3
06:24 < xe0n> LOUD NOISES
06:24 <+ktechmidas> but I'm a Linux admin
06:24 <+Hunterkll> ktechmidas, the GUI tells you
06:24 <+ktechmidas> the GUI is my enemy
06:24 <+ktechmidas> :P
06:24 <+Hunterkll> the command line DISM tells you
06:24 < Jay-Ros> can't you just fire up a vb gui and ping them:
06:24 < enix> ktechmidas: I'm sitting here copping shit from customers because their main product is broken due to our software being broken, and i'm told to hold off on updating them because THE NEXT RELEASE IS BROKEN EVEN WORST
06:24 <+ktechmidas> hah
06:24 < enix> Like... What the fuck
06:24 < enix> I just want to be a linux sysadmin
06:24 < enix> Where everything works
06:24 <+ktechmidas> enix: come join me
06:24 <+Hunterkll> enix, well, number one, the .net install is nothing to cry about
06:24 <+ktechmidas> in the world of Arch Linux
06:24 <+Hunterkll> because normally, i bet, when you set it up
06:24 <+Hunterkll> you install it with the FUCKING CD STILL MOUNTED
06:25 < Jay-Ros> enix - our shit is fucked, but i'm working on it, and we don't stress. You're welcome here
06:25 <+ktechmidas> WHO STILL USES CDS?!
06:25 <+ktechmidas> anyone who does should be shot
06:25 <+Hunterkll> ISO, whatever
06:25 < Jay-Ros> WHAT IF I DON"T HAVE A CD DRIVE??!
06:25 <+Hunterkll> .NET Framework 3.5 is supported on Windows XP, Server 2003, Vista, Server 2008, 7, Server 2008 R2, 8, Server 2012, 8.1, Server 2012 R2, 10, and Server 2016.
06:25 < xe0n> this is why i extract the install media iso and feed it into mdt, and not just the wim..
06:25 <+Hunterkll> that's some pretty fucking extensive support
06:25 < enix> Hunterkll: I DONT HAVE A FUCKING CD
06:25 <+Hunterkll> THE ISO
06:25 <+Hunterkll> WHATEVER
06:25 <+Hunterkll> DOWNLOAD THE ISO
06:25 < Jay-Ros> I'm dying...
06:25 < enix> Hunterkll: NOR THAT
06:25 < enix> WHy should I have to download a fucking iso
06:25 < enix> Fuck
06:25 < xe0n> lolll
06:25  * Hunterkll facepalms
06:25 < xe0n> enix, it says it..
06:25 <@Nostalg14c> download the cab file
06:25 <+Hunterkll> enix, because the source files are left on the disk ......
06:25 <+Hunterkll> to save space
06:25  * Jay-Ros has a stitch in his side
06:26 <+Hunterkll> and reduce attack surface
06:26 <+Hunterkll> since server 2012
06:26 < Jay-Ros> can the iso be run as a source for DISM Hunterkll
06:26 <+Hunterkll> for a feature supported on EVERY OS SINCE XP
06:26 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, yes, if mounted
06:26 <+Hunterkll> you'd do X:
06:26 <+Hunterkll> you'd do X:\sources\sxs
06:26 <+Hunterkll> as the source path
06:26 < enix> okay
06:26 <+Hunterkll> 2012 had a built in ISO mounter too
06:26 <+Hunterkll> so
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> and den it fails
06:26 < enix> deep breaths
06:26 < enix> I need a smoke
06:26 < enix> Im about to fucking link it
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> because you installed a security patch
06:26 <+Hunterkll> loool
06:26 < Jay-Ros> enix - you've got this. We believe in you!
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> so you need to unintsall every windows update
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> then install 3.5
06:26 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, no, that works fine
06:26 < enix> Iv'e been having issues with Windows since 10 dropped
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> then reintsall every windows update
06:26 < enix> So every little thing just sends me crazy
06:26 <@Nostalg14c> Hunterkll: i wish it did.
06:26 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, it fails to install from online sources if you've installed patches
06:26 < enix> brb
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> Hunterkll: i wish
06:27 < xe0n> https://pasteboard.co/HmBJt4b.png
06:27 <+Hunterkll> enix, but this is a 6 year old 'problem'
06:27 < xe0n> says it in cmdlet as well ;x
06:27 < Jay-Ros> then uninstall windows, then install the .net, then install windows again
06:27 <+Hunterkll> i've never had a sources install fail
06:27 <+Hunterkll> for netfx3
06:27 <+Hunterkll> i fully patch, forget to install netfx3, install it, then patch again
06:27 <+Hunterkll> >_>
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> on 2012r2>?'
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> no sir
06:27 <+Hunterkll> now
06:27 < Jay-Ros> no he's running standard
06:27 <+Hunterkll> GUI / no GUI
06:27 <+Hunterkll> that switch
06:27 <+Hunterkll> yea that shit breaks
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> oh
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> that.
06:27 <+Hunterkll> this is NetFx3
06:27 <@Nostalg14c> thats what i dealt with lol.
06:27 <+Hunterkll> yea
06:28 <+Hunterkll> because you don't patch the remaining source files left on disk
06:28 < xe0n> https://pasteboard.co/HmBJROj.png lol
06:28 <@Nostalg14c> i had to inject all the udpates into a wim downlodaed from wsus offline.
06:28 <@Nostalg14c> and then use that as a source.
06:28 <@Nostalg14c> total fucking aids.
06:28 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, well, thank god, 2016 removed the ability to change
06:28 <+Hunterkll> so
06:28 <+Hunterkll> use server core entirely
06:28 <+Hunterkll> kthxbye
06:28 <+Hunterkll> i've never had to switch a server's UI modes
06:28 <+Hunterkll> :(
06:28 <+Hunterkll> so glad they just said fuckit
06:28 <@Nostalg14c> https://i.imgur.com/IIA0Myq.png
06:28 <@Nostalg14c> here we go.
06:28 <+Hunterkll> neat
06:28 < xe0n> yeah i haven't installed windows manually in 10 years lol
06:28 <+Hunterkll> put your dick in it
06:29 < xe0n> sooo i just use a ts
06:29 <+Hunterkll> i do that at home
06:29 <+Hunterkll> :D
06:29 <+Hunterkll> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Enterprise Insider Preview (x64) • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-7980XE CPU @ 2.60GHz (2.59GHz) • Memory: 31.7 GiB Total (16.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 5.9 TiB / 7.8 TiB (1.8 TiB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti • Uptime: 1d 14h 14m 5s
06:29 <+Hunterkll> SCCM imaged this machine
06:29 <+Hunterkll> :P
06:29 < xe0n> yeah, i build all my machines via a ts lol
06:29 < xe0n> i got better things to do with my time than setup pcs :\
06:29 < xe0n> like smoke
06:29 <+Hunterkll> i need to update my TPM apparently
06:29 < xe0n> lol
06:29 <+Hunterkll> this is my home machine
06:29 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:29 <+Hunterkll> who the fuck is gonna get an i9-7980XE with dual 1080 Tis at work
06:29 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:30 < Jay-Ros> enix has definitely gone for a smoke
06:30 <+Hunterkll> u don't need 18 cores here have a pentium 4
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> wtf is the retail on that
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> (the i9)
06:30 <+Hunterkll> $2000
06:30 <+Hunterkll> 18 cores - 36 w/ht
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> More than my entire pc, righto.
06:30 <+Hunterkll> i'm like $8k into this build
06:31 <+Hunterkll> my SSD was like $1300
06:31 <@Nostalg14c> what is it, some flashio monster
06:31 < vader-> sccm makes the baby jesus cry
06:31 <+ktechmidas> Yeah... I stopped after $1.5k
06:31 <+ktechmidas> got the i7-8700
06:31 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, 2TB Samsung 960 pro
06:31 <+Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/RM5IKiM
06:31 <+Hunterkll> shows all my HDDs/SSDs and shit
06:31 <+ktechmidas> and I *had* a 1080Ti until my boss took it >.>
06:31 <+Hunterkll> 1 2TB 960 Pro / 1 512GB WD black
06:31 <+Hunterkll> are my two NVMe's
06:32 <+Hunterkll> the rest are rotationall HDDs
06:32 <+Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/Ewf3Tkz <--- rotational drive storage pool
06:32 <+Hunterkll> ReFS mirror
06:32 < Jay-Ros> oh fuck - enix - are you back yet?
06:32 <+Hunterkll> 3-way
06:32 < xe0n> this convo comes up every 3 days...
06:32 < vader-> i want to get a synology NAS with some 8-12TB drives...
06:33 <+Hunterkll> this is not even its final form
06:33 <+Hunterkll> i still need to replace the rest of the <10TB drives
06:33 < vader-> been thinking of buying these 8TB WD External drives that actually had the WD Red NAS drives in them
06:33 <+Hunterkll> maybe get another 960 pro to raid-1 them
06:33 <+Hunterkll> right now it has 2x10TB, 2x4TB, and 2x3TB Drives
06:33 <+Hunterkll> need 60TB+ in raw for my spaces
06:33 < vader-> best buy has them on sale
06:33 < vader-> https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-8tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/5792401.p?skuId=5792401
06:33 <+Hunterkll> but that still won't exceed my rack storage
06:34 <+Hunterkll> I love how windows is telling me i need a TPM update - https://i.imgur.com/8mbAMgv.png
06:34 <+Hunterkll> hey guys someone buy this for me i want to use some of my college skills again :( http://www.gtsoftware.com/products/netcobol/netcobol-for-net/
06:34 < enix> Jay-Ros: I am now
06:34 < enix> Feeling a little calmer
06:34 < Jay-Ros> enix - do you use WSUS?
06:35 < enix> Maj
06:35 < enix> Nah
06:35 < Jay-Ros> ok, never mind
06:35 <+Hunterkll> anyway yea
06:35 <+Hunterkll> that netfx3 issue is like
06:35 <+Hunterkll> 6 year old thing
06:35 <+Hunterkll> pre-dates windows 10
06:35 <+Hunterkll> predates windows 2012 r2
06:35 <+Hunterkll> llol
06:35 < Jay-Ros> yeah it's a pain in the ass. You can use the DISM thing to poing to SXS locally on a file, or as Hunterkll mentioned, mount an eval iso
06:35 <+Hunterkll> oh yea!
06:36 <+Hunterkll> you can use the eval versions for this
06:36 <+Hunterkll> i forgot about taht
06:36 <+Hunterkll> the sources folder is the same
06:36 <+Hunterkll> eval just has whack wims
06:36 < Jay-Ros> technet with your 15 year old hotmail account should do it
06:36 < Jay-Ros> (that's what I use)
06:36 < genr8_> Microsoft-Windows-NetFx3-OnDemand-Package.cab
06:36 <+Hunterkll> i just use my work provided msdn
06:36 < Jay-Ros> also enix - do one thing for me
06:36 <+Hunterkll> :p
06:36 < Jay-Ros> run admin cmd -dism.exe /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth
06:36 < enix> sexygangsterdude69@hotmail.com
06:37 <+Hunterkll> don't lie
06:37 <+Hunterkll> you left out some words
06:37 <+Hunterkll> i know your real thing
06:37 <+Hunterkll> sexytwinkbearlovergangsterdude69clubbin@hotmail.com is enix's real mail
06:37 < Jay-Ros> enix - let dism.exe /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth run, reboot the machine, try again
06:37 <+Hunterkll> no no
06:37 <+Hunterkll> don't do that
06:37 < Jay-Ros> no?
06:37 <+Hunterkll> unless you have WinSxS size issues
06:37 < genr8_> I got that file out of en_windows_10_features_on_demand_x64_dvd_6846440_.iso
06:37 < enix> O.o
06:37 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, you'll remove the ability to remove windows updates
06:37 <+Hunterkll> in case he has to uninstall an update
06:37 < xe0n> ^
06:37 <+Hunterkll> only future updates will be uninstalllable
06:37 < enix> I dont have a windows server iso but I have a desktop iso
06:37 < enix> Will that do
06:37 <+Hunterkll> no
06:37 <+Hunterkll> enix, get the eval iso
06:38 <+Hunterkll> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/
06:38 < enix> I'm feeling another smoko break coming
06:38 < Jay-Ros> fuck, sorry enix, don't do that apparently, I've run it to fix an issue previously I ran into, but I can't recall if I needed to remove the role...
06:38 < Jay-Ros> a role*
06:38 < xe0n> enix: i need to buy some smokes later
06:38 < enix> Their online form to download it doesn't allow tab
06:38 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, add/removing roles willl still work, just uninstalling updates won't
06:38 < Jay-Ros> I run an ecig, y'all stink.
06:38 < enix> no that was teamviewer
06:38 < enix> nvm
06:38 < enix> Jay-Ros: what do you run
06:38 < xe0n> Jay-Ros: i use a bong
06:38 < xe0n> lol
06:38 <+Hunterkll> enix, here's the right page lol https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-server
06:38 <+Hunterkll> it has 2012 R2 on there
06:39 <+Hunterkll> and regullar 2012 even
06:39 <+Hunterkll> wow
06:39 < Jay-Ros> enix - kangertech ato, istick pico, mtbakervapes butterscotch
06:39 < Jay-Ros> ^ Hunterkll's got the goods
06:39 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:39 < enix> Hunterkll: Wait I cant use 2016?
06:39 < Jay-Ros> While enix is kicking back and living the good life, I've got this https://pasteboard.co/HmBOCtX.png
06:40 < enix> Jay-Ros: MTL vaper huh
06:40 <+Hunterkll> enix, you can
06:40 <+Hunterkll> didn't realize you were on 2016
06:40 <+Hunterkll> you use the matching version
06:40 <+Hunterkll> duh
06:41 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, 1709? jesus you're behind
06:41 < enix> Jay-Ros: threw my goon v2 onto a Stick V8 mod last night, put a parallel clapton coil in (24awg parallel with claptop), blocked off an airhole and was massively surprised
06:41 < genr8_> why would you wanna run a beta OS from a month ago
06:41 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - I'm actually up to date, I can pause the update and redo, but my personal pc refuses to update ont his install
06:42 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, because it's not beta and i've been running it for months?
06:42 <+Hunterkll> ya'll just got the polished cut
06:42 < Jay-Ros> all the other machines work, but mine's fucked, and I'm hesitant to rebuild as my pc is a monster of apps I've accumulated
06:42 < genr8_> ill wait for the first update for it
06:42 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, already came out this month
06:42 <+Hunterkll> first CU's already been done
06:43 < genr8_> when like yesterday ?
06:43 <+Hunterkll> https://techjourney.net/download-kb4100375-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-scu-v-1803-build-17133-73/
06:43 <+Hunterkll> like, patch tuesday
06:43 <+Hunterkll> upgrades you from 17133.1 to 1733.73
06:43 <+Hunterkll> upgrades you from 17133.1 to 17133.73
06:43 < genr8_> Addresses an issue with power regression on systems with NVMe devices from certain vendors.
06:43 <+Hunterkll> er shit
06:44 <+Hunterkll> that's an insider update
06:44 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll, hacking the computer now
06:44 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4100403/windows-10-update-kb4100403
06:44 <+Hunterkll> there's the official
06:44 <+Hunterkll> oh sweet
06:44 <+Hunterkll> i need to update my hollolens
06:44 <+Hunterkll> but yes
06:44 <+Hunterkll> first update is released
06:44 <+Hunterkll> actually
06:44 <+Hunterkll> that's the second update
06:44 <+Hunterkll> may 22nd
06:44 <+Hunterkll> first update was may 8th
06:44 < Jay-Ros> enix - I understand some of those words :P
06:45 < Jay-Ros> I forgot you got a hollolens
06:45 < Jay-Ros> do you use it for anythning?
06:45 <+Hunterkll> porn
06:45 <+Hunterkll> llol
06:47 < Jay-Ros>  I gotta pee
06:47 < Jay-Ros> that cab file told me to fuck off
06:47 < Jay-Ros> The specified package is not applicable to this image.
06:48 < enix> Hunterkll: I didn't know they did hentai in VR
06:48 <+Hunterkll> THEY DO!?!?!
06:48 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:48 <+Hunterkll> also it's AR
06:48 <+Hunterkll> not VR
06:48 < enix> oh whatever
06:48 < Jay-Ros> You need the VR of those czech orgies, where you can walk around and check out what's going on in different parts of the apartment
06:48 < enix> someone remind me to look up AR Porn tonight im curious now
06:48 < enix> Jay-Ros: 100% half those videographers are horrific
06:49 <+Hunterkll> enix, http://www.3dhologirlfriend.com/Default
06:49 < enix> I mean... Dunno what you're talking about
06:49 <+Hunterkll> lololol
06:49 < enix> I'm at work lol pm to me
06:49 < Jay-Ros> lolololololo
06:49 < Jay-Ros> I'm at work too, and clicked on the link when bringing irc to the front
06:49 < Jay-Ros> quickest window close!
06:49 <+Hunterkll> nice
06:49 <+Hunterkll> it'll support the motion lelap too
06:50 <+Hunterkll> so you don't need to drop $3k on a hololens
06:51 < enix> Hunterkll: the what
06:51 <+Hunterkll> motion leap
06:51 <+Hunterkll> another AR/VR thingy
06:51 < genr8_> Hunterkll: i looked up my TPM thing. I never used a TPM before. mine says "Attestation Not supported" - what can I start securing with this
06:51 <+Hunterkll> Attestation not supported ?
06:51 <+Hunterkll> TPM 1.2?
06:51 < enix> how much is the hololense now
06:51 <+Hunterkll> $3000
06:51 < enix> Wish they'd bring out google glasses again
06:51 < genr8_> yeah its 1.2
06:51 < enix> Fuck
06:51 <+Hunterkll> uhhh bitlocker
06:52 <+Hunterkll> and on enterprise some basic passport for work featrues
06:52 < genr8_> does EFS use it ?
06:52 <+Hunterkll> enix, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/hololens/buy
06:52 <+Hunterkll> no
06:52 <+Hunterkll> EFS uses certs
06:52 <+Hunterkll> in your user store, i think
06:52 < genr8_> well why couldnt they do both lol
06:52 <+Hunterkll> dude EFS is like
06:52 <+Hunterkll> NT4 era
06:52 <+Hunterkll> llol
06:52 < genr8_> i want that to be more useful
06:53 <+Hunterkll> i mean, TXT and other stuff
06:53 <+Hunterkll> but you're gonna need to get all fancy shit set up
06:53 < ThatOneRoadie> $500/mo to rent a hololens too
06:53 <+Hunterkll> ThatOneRoadie, must be commercial
06:53 < genr8_> im gonna try to figure out what attestation is and why i cant do it
06:53 < Church-> How much is the leap supposed to be?
06:53 < Church-> Wanna pair it with those tapwithus interfaces.
06:54 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, device health attestation. you might also need to turn on HCI/device guard/crednetial guard too
06:54 < Church-> Oh so my computer vest isn't legal to bring on planes I think.
06:54 < Church-> Basically made a bomb vest on accident.
06:54 <+Hunterkll> oh?
06:54 < genr8_> what a scott-e-vest ?
06:54 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, attestation is like cert auth and a bunch of other shit
06:54 <+Hunterkll> to cryptographically prove you're you
06:54 < Church-> Hunterkll: Considering it's stuffed with computer boards and LION batteries I feel like the TSA might tackle me. :P
06:54 < genr8_> thats what i want....
06:55 <+Hunterkll> Church-, nahhh, as long as you can pull some shit out
06:55 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:55 < Church-> Heh, true.
06:55 < Church-> But hey on the other hand I can run plex literally from my vest now. :D
06:55 < Church-> I don't fucking want to, but I can. :D
06:55 < Church-> Now to create a not terrible interface for it.
06:55 < genr8_> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/ad-ds/manage/component-updates/tpm-key-attestation
06:56 <+Hunterkll> there's also - https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt750346.aspx
06:56 <+Hunterkll> Device Health Attestation
06:56 < vader-> any of you guys take statins?
06:56 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, oh you might need AD
06:56 < genr8_> is that a thing still ?
06:56 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, 'a thing still' ? It wasn't availbale server side until 2016 preview 5 !
06:56 <+Hunterkll> it was literally an unusable feature in win10 till 2016 came out
06:56 <+Hunterkll> lol
06:57 <+Hunterkll> vader-, no i take this https://i.imgur.com/gzhuKpD.png
06:57 < vader-> haha
06:57 < genr8_> I remember hearing something about that they removed the Networking authentication part
06:57 < genr8_> god i cant think/speak
06:57 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, that's NAC
06:57 <+Hunterkll> not device health
06:57 < genr8_> yea that
06:57 < Church-> Yah know, I can see this. http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2018/05/happy-21st-century.html#more
06:58 <+Hunterkll> looks like i could hawk my hololens for $2400 if i wanted on ebay
06:58 < genr8_> well they put the TPM thing in windows defender and they sound kind of related
06:58 <+Hunterkll> rough fees though
06:58 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, it's 'windows defender security center'
06:58 <+Hunterkll> hypervisor code integrity and credential guard status is in there now
07:00 < Church-> Man I can solve a simple fucking algorithmn issue.
07:00 < Church-> Feel like a damn idjit.
07:01 <+Hunterkll> lollo
07:01 < Church-> can't solve*
07:01 < Church-> God damnit. lol
07:01 < genr8_> holy shit i just went into "Exploit protection" and theres a ton of cool advanced shit
07:02 < genr8_> "Stop programs from using the win32k system call table"
07:02 <+Hunterkll> ya
07:02 <+Hunterkll> that's alll new
07:02 <+Hunterkll> DISA released suggested settings for it in the latest STIG
07:02 < genr8_> "Validate exception chains"
07:03 < genr8_> sheesh this is high tech shit i would only expect to see in a linux kernel, let alone as toggle boxes in windows defender the new coming
07:03 <+Hunterkll> eh
07:03 <+Hunterkll> some of it's been around for a while
07:03 < genr8_> its nice to see it all in 1 place
07:03 <+Hunterkll> some peoplel don't believe me when i say i won't run downlevel versions of windows for security reasons
07:03 <+Hunterkll> yea, i set it all via GPO and registry & firmware settings
07:05 < enix> Hunterkll
07:05 < Jay-Ros> enix - how's it going
07:05 < Jay-Ros> did you get 3.0 and 3.5 in there?
07:07 < Jay-Ros> also fml why are all the cumulative updates downloadable, but they're freakin' AMD when you open the folder??
07:07 < enix> Jay-Ros: yeah installing from source worked for me luckily
07:08 < enix> Error installing 32-bit SMO
07:08 <+ktechmidas> Jay-Ros: Are you sure they're AMD?
07:08 < Jay-Ros> https://pasteboard.co/HmC0r6J.png < what is this bullshit
07:08 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, amd64 == x64
07:08 < enix> Woooosaaahhhhh
07:08 <+ktechmidas> or just AMD64?
07:09 <+Hunterkll> you're an idiot
07:09 < Jay-Ros> ok
07:09 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, AMD came out with intel 64 bit extensions first
07:09 < Jay-Ros> fair call
07:09 <+Hunterkll> so everyone called it amd64
07:09 <+Hunterkll> intel's naming convention is EMT64
07:09 < enix> Yeah I've always wondered about that
07:09 < xe0n> lollll
07:09 < xe0n> classic
07:10 < Jay-Ros> then I'm still fairly fucked and not able to update my machine
07:10 < xe0n> Jay-Ros, enix: woolies, 85c for m&m bar
07:10 < xe0n> so good
07:10 < genr8_> those updates are available from microsoft
07:11 < genr8_> u got the wrong one probably
07:11 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - hell yes
07:11 < Jay-Ros> okie doke, I'm going to zen this shit... I'm an idiot, working from base level...
07:11 < genr8_> https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB4100403
07:12 < genr8_> make sure you get the one for Windows 10 or Server 2016 depending which
07:12 < genr8_> and X64
07:12 < Jay-Ros> genr8 - got that one https://pasteboard.co/HmC20HH.png
07:13 < Jay-Ros> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion
07:13 < Jay-Ros>     ReleaseId    REG_SZ    1703
07:13 < genr8_> lol
07:13 < Jay-Ros> win 10 pro
07:14 < genr8_> so you're behind.
07:14 < Jay-Ros> I've just ignored it, because a wipe would fix it, but I've got too much shit running on my machine concurrently
07:14 < enix> xe0n: temptations real but i cant eat chocolate :(
07:14 < enix> Might go spoon feed myself some sugar though
07:14 < Jay-Ros> yeh I'm behind
07:14 < genr8_> you cant use the 1803 update on 1703 m8
07:14 < Jay-Ros> right. need to stage it?
07:14 < genr8_> that aint gonna take
07:14 < genr8_> nope
07:14 < genr8_> you need the 1803 ISO
07:14 < genr8_> You gotta upgrade your feature set to 1803 not just patch security updates with the wrong version
07:15 <+Hunterkll> loooool
07:15 < genr8_> Microsoft should have explained this to people properly....
07:15 < Jay-Ros> all the other machines I've run on wsus and have upgraded gracefully
07:15 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, no, it's pretty fucking blatant
07:15 <+Hunterkll> 1803 updates are for 1803
07:15 < Jay-Ros> my machine is stuck on a Feature update to Windows 10, version 1709, en-us upgrade
07:16 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4t6zNZ-b0A
07:16 < Jay-Ros> xe0n, <3
07:16 < genr8_> Its not. hardly anyone i know understands that theres 6 windows 10 feature set builds and that security updates come out every month
07:16 <+Hunterkll> it's not that hard...
07:16 <+Hunterkll> *check build number* *check patch * okay good
07:16 <+Hunterkll> feature updates - 3GB+
07:16 < xe0n> just paste them 1 link, think it's the quickstart guide to Windows as a service
07:16 < xe0n> lol
07:16 <+Hunterkll> security updates: <2GB
07:16 < xe0n> it's the same page that gets flogged every third thread
07:17 < genr8_> cause they failed to explain it properly and stuck the explanation on some random thread
07:17 < genr8_> The updates system in windows is piss poor
07:17 <+Hunterkll> nah
07:17 <+Hunterkll> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4018124/windows-10-update-history
07:17 <+Hunterkll> it's pretty clear
07:17 < genr8_> Im starting to think Microsoft is in collusion to keep sysadmin's in their jobs
07:17 < xe0n> so much fuss over an os, the software that helps run the applications that actually matter...
07:17 < xe0n> lol
07:17 < xe0n> windows is windows, been the same forever..
07:18 <+Hunterkll> doing a piss poor job if they are genr8_
07:18 <+Hunterkll> win10 is making our lives easier
07:18 <+Hunterkll> to the detriment of the peoplle that got laid off
07:18 <+Hunterkll> :D
07:18 < xe0n> CUs rock
07:18 < Jay-Ros> Yeah, but I can't install my CU xe0n :(
07:18 <+Hunterkll> you downlloaded the wrong CU
07:18 < xe0n> lolll
07:18 < xe0n> you're running 1703, so get the updates for 1703
07:18 < xe0n> not 1709 or 1803
07:18 < xe0n> ..
07:19 < genr8_> but 1703 1709 and 1803 look so similar
07:19 < Jay-Ros> oikie doke
07:19 < genr8_> its all the same right
07:19 <+Hunterkll> not if you look at the bloody build number SPECIFIED IN THE UPDATE
07:19 < genr8_> kidding...
07:19 <+Hunterkll> fuck ya'll almost got me killed in pubg
07:20 < Jay-Ros> uurgh, I've looked at it as 'You're upgrading to 1803, so download the 1803 CU'
07:20 <+Hunterkll> no
07:20 <+Hunterkll> this doesn't work
07:20 <+Hunterkll> it doesn't even work on 8/8.1
07:20 <+Hunterkll> or 7
07:20 <+Hunterkll> with their CUs
07:20 < Jay-Ros> not 'you're on 1703, moving to 1803, so download the 1703 CU'
07:20 < genr8_> The CU's are only security updates
07:20 < genr8_> Not Feature Set Upgrades
07:20 <+Hunterkll> well, and bugfixes
07:20 < xe0n> security and quality..
07:20 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, download the 'upgrade assistant' tool and let it unfuck you
07:20 < Jay-Ros> so I want the feature set upgrade for my machine
07:20 <+Hunterkll> just use the ez mode tool
07:20 <+Hunterkll> god damn
07:20 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - WSUS lockdown
07:20 < genr8_> this is what i mean they failed to explain what builds and updates are
07:21 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, this isn't a WSUS tool
07:21 < xe0n> sorry? the build is right in front of you.
07:21 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, they didn't at alll
07:21 <+Hunterkll> yea
07:21 < genr8_> either you read the random thread or you are in the dark
07:21 <+Hunterkll> they didn't fail at all
07:21 <+Hunterkll> i knew what the hell it was from day 1
07:21 <+Hunterkll> what random thread?
07:21 < genr8_> you read the thread.
07:21 <+Hunterkll> read the servicing model doc
07:21 < xe0n> and they've made the build visible when you go to system lol
07:21 < genr8_> that.
07:21 <+Hunterkll> no i didn't
07:21 <+Hunterkll> servicing model doc has been front and center trumpeted since day one
07:21 <+Hunterkll> it's the whole Windows as a Service model
07:21 <+Hunterkll> and then there's the update history chart
07:21 < xe0n> this is the same shit thats said on teh sub every 2 days
07:21 < xe0n> along with how to use mdt
07:22 < xe0n> and "is my career over\should i leave\my boss sucks\why dont the seniors listen to me"
07:23 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - are you talking about the windows update threads?
07:23 < genr8_> people ask the same question over and over again because the info was not available in the OS.
07:23 <+Hunterkll> ....
07:24 <+Hunterkll> I just got killed by CaptKerberos
07:24 < Jay-Ros> yeah fair enough
07:24 <+Hunterkll> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/
07:24 <+Hunterkll> that's not exactly some random forum thread
07:24 <+Hunterkll> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-overview
07:24 <+Hunterkll> nor is this
07:24 < xe0n> i have a txt file with common links that i just keep pasting over and over lol
07:24 < genr8_> it kind of is. I bet you send this link to confused people and theyve never seen it.
07:25 <+Hunterkll> and this is all about the going forward CU model
07:25 <+Hunterkll> including 7/8/8.1
07:25 <+Hunterkll> and 2008R2+
07:25 <+Hunterkll> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askpfeplat/2016/08/30/a-bit-about-the-windows-servicing-model/
07:25 <+Hunterkll> which was widely trumpeted
07:25 <+Hunterkll> if you understand 7 / 8.1's update model
07:25 <+Hunterkll> you understand 10's
07:25 < genr8_> even i've never seen that blog
07:25 < xe0n> jeez
07:25 < xe0n> lol
07:25 <+Hunterkll> I can apply a CU to 7 SP1 to get up to speed
07:25 <+Hunterkll> I have to apply Sp1 first though
07:25 <+Hunterkll> I can't apply a CU to non-SP1 and expect to get up to level
07:25 < xe0n> there's a few after sp1, but yeah thats the gist
07:26 <+Hunterkll> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-quick-start
07:26 <+Hunterkll> i mean
07:26 <+Hunterkll> it's so blatantly documented
07:26 <@Nostalg14c> Applies to
07:26 <@Nostalg14c> w10
07:26 <+Hunterkll> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows-10/windows-as-a-service
07:26 <@Nostalg14c> not w7
07:26 <+Hunterkll> even up front
07:26 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, we started talking about windows 10
07:27 <+Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, i'm just saying the same thing applies to windows 7 CUs
07:27 <@Nostalg14c> o i caonfused myself
07:27 <+Hunterkll> they don't automagically replace the SP1 update
07:27 < genr8_> most of the issue resolves around not knowing this; https://puu.sh/ArUKJ/7c462802a0.png
07:27 <+Hunterkll> i was using it as a 'here's the old style  just the same as the new style'
07:27 <@Nostalg14c> 1803 booted up and there's no pretty login image :(
07:27 <@Nostalg14c> just a shade of blue.
07:27 <@Nostalg14c> what is life.
07:27 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, right, the shit that is widely trumpeted by MS since before 10's release
07:27 < genr8_> Nostalg14c: maybe you removed the lock app ?
07:27 <+Hunterkll> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/itpro/windows-10/windows-as-a-service <-- its alll here
07:27 <@Nostalg14c> anythings possible at this point.
07:28 <+Hunterkll> but even i know you can't /just/ apply an update to go from 7 to 8
07:28 <+Hunterkll> there was an upgrade path
07:28 < genr8_> Hunterkll: you still woulda had to have read the thread. its not in the OS or anywhere you could click as a link like "Click here to take me to the thread that explains what to do when you need to install updates manually"
07:28 <+Hunterkll> it's like saying oh i can just install an 8 CU
07:28 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, read WHAT THREAD?!
07:28 <+Hunterkll> this is plain old boring documentation
07:28 < genr8_> any of the ones you listed
07:28 <+Hunterkll> that's documentation
07:28 < genr8_> yeah it should be in the OS
07:29 <+Hunterkll> thread == shit like on reddit
07:29 < genr8_> as a basic form
07:29 <+Hunterkll> it is in the update system
07:29 < genr8_> The OS should say : 1803 is a feature update. click to read about feature updates
07:29 <+Hunterkll> 99.9% of people DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION
07:29 < genr8_> k
07:29 < genr8_> keep arguing for microsoft
07:29 <+Hunterkll> no, i'm arguing that people who can't figure this out are fucking morons
07:29 <+Hunterkll> the same morons that can't figure out why they finally jumped off 2.6 in the kernel and went straight to 3.0
07:30 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - I guess the question I was asking was "assuming this is all well and good and does what you need, what happens when the microsoft updates fuck up"
07:30 < Jay-Ros> ...which isn't mentioned there.
07:30 < genr8_> you have to realize that "moron" is not a sign of their intelligence, its a sign of microsofts intelligence to not predict that.
07:30 <+Hunterkll> or why the switch from initrc to systemd happened
07:30 <+Hunterkll> which i object to, but still
07:30 < enix> how do you copy a file from a to b in cmd
07:30 < enix> cp?
07:30 < Jay-Ros> I'm also running off WSUS in the network fro updates, and the firewall blocks catalog.update.microsoft.com
07:30 < genr8_> Linux is guiltier than anyone of this.
07:30 < genr8_> so dont start with that
07:30 < Jay-Ros> so live online updates don't work
07:30 <+Hunterkll> that's like asking why upgrading to RHEL7 from 6 is fun
07:30 < genr8_> that should be in the docs too honestly
07:30 <+Hunterkll> it is
07:31 < genr8_> RHEL7 Known Issues
07:31 <+Hunterkll> just like this stuff from MS is
07:31 <+Hunterkll> it's all the same
07:31 < genr8_> these docs didnt exist when win10 came out
07:31 <+Hunterkll> yes they did ....
07:31 < genr8_> M$ just started making this new doc site
07:31 <+Hunterkll> from day 0
07:31 <+Hunterkll> they were trumpeting how servicing and builds would work
07:31 < genr8_> You linked a blog from 2016
07:31 <+Hunterkll> that was their whole sales pitch
07:31 < genr8_> nah, nobody knew how servicing worked back then
07:31 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, that was the announcement that the servicing model was coming to 7/8.1/2008R2/2012/2012R2
07:31 < Jay-Ros> I've got my head around the updates, and managed to keep WSUS in critical, but my machine was part of a fuckaround group which missed a couple of critical updates, now fails on microsoft's natural upgrades, and I've been trying to find the 'extreme circumstances' fixes
07:32 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, which is why we had prepared MDT task sequences ready for the first update (1511) already
07:32 <+Hunterkll> right
07:32 <+Hunterkll> no one knew
07:32 < genr8_> it wasnt until the first creators update that people started realizing Hey maybe we should figure out how this works instead of letting it brick my OS
07:32 <+Hunterkll> MS had it well documented so that we were able to do it in the test lab from day 1
07:32 <+Hunterkll> all from technet shit
07:32 < genr8_> so either you are a technet subscriber or you dont understand
07:32 <+Hunterkll> no
07:32 <+Hunterkll> technet is the documentation site
07:32 <+Hunterkll> technet subscriptions haven't existed for years
07:33 < genr8_> you still are a member of their "Ecosystem"
07:33 < genr8_> so you get the messages.
07:33 <+Hunterkll> no
07:33 <+Hunterkll> there's no 'message' i got
07:33 <+Hunterkll> i saw 'win10 willl do x'
07:33 <+Hunterkll> then went 'okay, how do i do x'
07:33 <+Hunterkll> then went and read the documentation
07:33 <+Hunterkll> i didn't get any email notifications
07:33 <+Hunterkll> i didn't get anything
07:33 < genr8_> when you live in that world, you tend to do that on day 1
07:34 < enix> it's move thanks guys
07:34 < xe0n> i remember getting teh technet cds for years
07:34 <+Hunterkll> https://redmondmag.com/articles/2015/09/25/windows-10-servicing-for-it-pros.aspx <--
07:34 <+Hunterkll> 2015 posting about servicing model
07:34 <+Hunterkll> before 1511's release
07:34 <+Hunterkll> months before
07:35 <+Hunterkll> which ilnks to the (continually updated) version of this https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/planning/index
07:35 <+Hunterkll> plan for windows 10 deployment
07:35 < genr8_> "To date, IT pros have had to filter through various Microsoft Ignite and Microsoft Virtual Academy presentations to get a feeling for Microsoft's new "Windows as a service" release approach. "
07:35 <+Hunterkll> so yes, the documentation was widespread and trumpeted
07:35 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, right, this was published before the first feature update
07:35 <+Hunterkll> months before
07:35 < xe0n> genr8_ that docu is years old, this is not new news
07:35 < xe0n> lol
07:35 < genr8_> thats fine. it took until that feature update.
07:35 <+Hunterkll> it was done /before/
07:35 <+Hunterkll> not /until/
07:35 < genr8_> k
07:35 <+Hunterkll> but still, as i'm pointing out
07:35 <+Hunterkll> that was late 2015
07:35 <+Hunterkll> this is mid-2018
07:36 <+Hunterkll> this is not old documentation
07:36 <+Hunterkll> er
07:36 <+Hunterkll> not new documetnation
07:36 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:36 < genr8_> well yeah i would have assumed it would be figured out by now
07:36 < genr8_> but it makes sense
07:36 < genr8_> hes on 1703
07:36 <+Hunterkll> yes, but it was figured out and pubilshed before the first update
07:36 <+Hunterkll> upgrade
07:36 < genr8_> 1709 comes out and it fails.... he doesnt think anything of it cause its only 1 release
07:36 <+Hunterkll> lol whatever
07:36 < genr8_> 1803 comes out..... now hes 2 behind now he has to start caring
07:36 <+Hunterkll> nah he aint gotta care for a bit
07:36 <+Hunterkll> but eh
07:37 <+Hunterkll> but
07:37 <+Hunterkll> he downloaded a 400MB update
07:37 <+Hunterkll> with a KB number listed in the update file
07:37 <+Hunterkll> and din't bother reading what the update was
07:37 < enix> HUNTERKLL
07:37 < genr8_> i guess we can go back to blaming him but i really think there should be a Hyperlink in the OS taking you to read about relevant WaaS shit
07:38 <+Hunterkll> even after going to the catalog site which isn't for non-IT pros
07:38 <+Hunterkll> enix, fucking say or ask your goddamn question
07:38 <+Hunterkll> stop fucking begging for me
07:38 < enix> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU
07:38 < genr8_> lolll
07:38 <+Hunterkll> YOU COULD HAVE JUST FUCKING SAID IT
07:38 < enix> Nah I like annoying you
07:38 < xe0n> LOUD NOISES
07:38 < Jay-Ros> Hahahaha if you're talking about me, yeah, I didn't bother fucking with it.
07:39 < Jay-Ros> I said "fuck it, I'll wipe my machine at some point"
07:39 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, on failure to install, i'd have googled the KB number in the update - https://support.microsoft.com/fr-fr/help/4100403/windows-10-update-kb4100403 - and seen that it APPLIES TO WINDOWS 10 VERSION 1803
07:39 < xe0n> ...it says it in teh title lol
07:39 <+Hunterkll> the documentation for that patch - which is probably linked from the catalog itself - says which version of the OS it applies to
07:39 < Jay-Ros> but I'd rather fix the issue. I was fucking aroudn on my machine with Symantec endpoint security earlier in th eyear
07:39 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, like i said try the 'upgrade assistant'
07:39 <+Hunterkll> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/3159635/windows-10-update-assistant
07:39 <+Hunterkll> unless you're on enterprise
07:39 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll - does it speak online to microsoft?
07:40 < genr8_> Hunterkll: where does Windows 10 say what build you're on again ?
07:40 <+Hunterkll> yes but not the standard WU channels I think
07:40 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, winver
07:40 < xe0n> genr8_: system
07:40 < enix> right click on my computer and hit properties
07:40 <+Hunterkll> that too
07:40 <+Hunterkll> system control panel
07:40 <+Hunterkll> well, settings panel
07:40 < Jay-Ros> hmm
07:40 < Jay-Ros> that was fun, dism disconnected me
07:40 < genr8_> it doesnt say it in System.....
07:41 < enix> Lol
07:41 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, https://imgur.com/oGA9Yc4
07:41 < genr8_> k
07:41 < xe0n> genr8_: https://pasteboard.co/HmCdBeZ.png
07:41 < xe0n> or that ^
07:41 < genr8_> they should put the Build in System
07:41 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, it is
07:41 <+Hunterkll> OS Build and 'version'
07:41 < genr8_> where is that xeon
07:41 < xe0n> loll
07:41 <+Hunterkll> version being the 1803 etc number
07:41 < enix> [System.Environment]::OSVersion.Version
07:41 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, under system - about in settings
07:41 < enix> Fucking irssi didnt update
07:42 <+Hunterkll> i just linked it
07:42 < enix> yeah yeah i know
07:42 < genr8_> thats the same thing
07:42 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, https://imgur.com/oGA9Yc4 ?
07:42 < Jay-Ros> brb, rebooting machine to try this again
07:42 <+Hunterkll> see 'windows specifications' ?
07:43 < genr8_> https://puu.sh/ArV6B/4429086b60.png
07:43 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, oh, you want that? that's winkey+r for runbox, then just type 'winver'
07:43 < Jay-Ros> So Hunterkll
07:43 <+Hunterkll> you're also three years out of date
07:43 <+Hunterkll> so
07:43 < genr8_> winver is better. i thought it didnt say the build but it does (only not on this old system)
07:43 <+Hunterkll> I'm not even allowed to use that LTSB version
07:44 < Jay-Ros> https://pasteboard.co/HmCeJME.png
07:44 <+Hunterkll> hell i'm not alllowed to use LTSB at all without DISA approval and they won't grant it
07:44 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:44 < Jay-Ros> WSUS server points to microsoft
07:44 < genr8_> i just got a notification from this site about the last update: https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-releases-new-cumulative-update-for-windows-10-april-2018-update-pcs/
07:44 < Jay-Ros> only server allowed to do so
07:44 <+Hunterkll> sucks
07:44 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, download the nwerer edition ISO from the wsus server
07:44 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:44 < Jay-Ros> Done.
07:44 <+Hunterkll> just start setup.exe from the iso
07:44 <+Hunterkll> basicallly the same thing as what that tool does
07:45 < Jay-Ros> and run the update through that?
07:45 <+Hunterkll> just run setup.exe
07:45 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:45 <+Hunterkll> like you're installing winodws
07:45 < Jay-Ros> okie doke
07:45 <+Hunterkll> it'll maintain domain join etc
07:45 < Jay-Ros> all apps and whatnots?
07:45 < Jay-Ros> sounds breezy :)
07:45 <+Hunterkll> yes
07:46 < genr8_> um wait tho
07:46 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, 50/50 Jay-Ros loses his machine and comes in here screaming because he made some registry tweak that broke everything
07:46 <+Hunterkll> :P
07:46 < xe0n> loll
07:46 < genr8_> yeah
07:46 < genr8_> like..
07:46 <+Hunterkll> nah though
07:46  * xe0n eats popcorn
07:46 < Jay-Ros> HUnterkll - I was born at night, but it wasn't last night
07:46 <+Hunterkll> if he's going to 1709
07:46 <+Hunterkll> it's fine
07:46 <+Hunterkll> 1803? fine
07:46 <+Hunterkll> we're jumping from 1607 to 1709
07:46 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:46 < genr8_> Make a new user account right now
07:46 < genr8_> so you can log it on if something breaks on yours
07:46 < xe0n> lolll
07:46 <+Hunterkll> haven't had that one yet
07:46 < genr8_> you'll want a fresh user
07:46 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:46 < Jay-Ros> I have local admin passwords and AD ;)
07:46 <+Hunterkll> eh just have the local admin
07:46 <+Hunterkll> yea
07:47 < genr8_> isnt that disabled?
07:47 < Jay-Ros> genr8, it's long.
07:47 <+Hunterkll> i'd assume in a business it's managed
07:47 < nohusuro> why disable local admin if you have LAPS? :P
07:47 <+Hunterkll> or something
07:47 <+Hunterkll> yea
07:47 < genr8_> k you can use that i guess
07:47 < Jay-Ros> it's not the best, but I have what I have. Local admin password remote management soon
07:47 < nohusuro> we actually disable local admin and setup LAPS for a different local admin
07:47 < genr8_> also it kind of Re-installs all your apps and changes a buncha system GUIDs so Licensey type stuff might needa re-register
07:47 < nohusuro> though the more I think about it, the less I believe that's secure
07:47 <+Hunterkll> yup
07:47 <+Hunterkll> i disable and rename the defaullt built in admin
07:47 < Jay-Ros> Yeah, I'll eventually move to LAPS
07:47 <+Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/VIbDPjb
07:48 <+Hunterkll> here's what i have
07:48 <+Hunterkll> so creative
07:48 <+Hunterkll> that's my desktop
07:48 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:48 < Jay-Ros> or at least have a tether on the machines to change local admin passwords manually over time
07:48 < nohusuro> LAPS only takes 5 minutes to implement
07:49 < nohusuro> you can slowroll the deployment to see if any local services are relying on builtin admin account
07:49 < Jay-Ros> Mirrored on two sites Hunterkll: https://pasteboard.co/HmCgTrD.png
07:49 < nohusuro> or just powershell query the computer services across the network
07:50 < nohusuro> Hunterkll: why so many local users for sql server?
07:50 < Jay-Ros> on a couple of M20s https://www.purestorage.com/products/flash-array-m.html
07:50 <+Hunterkll> i dunnoo
07:50 <+Hunterkll> ask SQL 2017 enterprise
07:50 <+Hunterkll> which isn't using service accounts
07:50 < nohusuro> how many isntances are you running?
07:50 <+Hunterkll> since it's my win10 desktop
07:50 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:50 <+Hunterkll> just one
07:50 < nohusuro> wtf, weird
07:50 <+Hunterkll> but i have alll the features installed
07:50 <+Hunterkll> R server, SSAS, etc
07:50 < nohusuro> right
07:50  * nohusuro shrugs
07:50 <+Hunterkll> i do some intensive analysis of uh
07:50 <+Hunterkll> interesting data sets
07:50 < nohusuro> I guess it's better than them using local system account and such for the service users
07:50 <+Hunterkll> interesting indeed.....
07:51 <+Hunterkll> oh no it uses local system
07:51 <+Hunterkll> welll, NT Service
07:51 < nohusuro> whut
07:51 < nohusuro> I gotta read up on why it's creating so many accounts then
07:51 < nohusuro> that's weird as fuck
07:51 < nohusuro> what are they even for!
07:51 <+Hunterkll> not system
07:51 <+Hunterkll> but it uses NT Services - the virtual service accounts
07:51 <+Hunterkll> nohusuro, here's the SQL segment - https://imgur.com/nSijnUw
07:52 < nohusuro> "Local user account for execution of R scripts in SQL Server instance MSSQLSERVER"
07:52 <+Hunterkll> oh here's this too
07:52 <+Hunterkll> https://imgur.com/eikx3O2
07:52 <+Hunterkll> lotsa services
07:53 < nohusuro> "20 new Windows users accounts are created for the purpose of running tasks under the security token of the SQL Server Trusted Launchpad service"
07:53 <+Hunterkll> oh how about that
07:53 <+Hunterkll> it even says that in the account discription field
07:53 < nohusuro> "When a user sends an R script from an external client, SQL Server will activate an available worker account, map it to the identity of the calling user, and run the R script on behalf of the user. This is a new service of the database engine that supports secure execution of external scripts, called implied authentication."
07:54 < nohusuro> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/advanced-analytics/install/sql-r-services-windows-install?view=sql-server-2017#bkmk_configureAccounts
07:55 < Jay-Ros> Do you have olap running in it?
07:55 <+Hunterkll> ya
07:56 < Jay-Ros> noice. My girlfriend is teaching me OLAP stuff at the moment
07:57 < Jay-Ros> I'm trying to convince the office to get some decent data warehousing going for our finance auditor chick...
07:57 < Jay-Ros> she can fuck a spreadsheet on a dedicated server, it's impressive
07:58 < genr8_> i want to see that
07:59 < Jay-Ros> actually hunterkll - do you know any alternatives to an enterprise availability group for sql2017?
07:59 <+Hunterkll> a standard availability group ?
07:59 < Jay-Ros> $boss hates the idea of $150K AU
07:59 < nohusuro> just use always on in a standby failover cluster
07:59 <+Hunterkll> wtf is in 'enterprise availability group'
07:59 <+Hunterkll> lol
07:59 < nohusuro> if that's still supposed in 2017
08:00 < nohusuro> supported*
08:00 < Jay-Ros> well, enterprise licenses
08:00 <+Hunterkll> there's AlwaysOn clusters, standard failover clusters, standard SQL replilcation, etc
08:00 <+Hunterkll> AlwaysOn has been supported in standard for a while...
08:00 <+Hunterkll> like, 2012 or 2014
08:00 < nohusuro> and you don't need a secondary SQL license for the standby instance
08:00 < Jay-Ros> Standard license give you 1 database on high availabliity
08:01 <+Hunterkll> .... 'high availability' as in what?
08:01 < Jay-Ros> well, failover
08:01 <+Hunterkll> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/database-engine/availability-groups/windows/basic-availability-groups-always-on-availability-groups?view=sql-server-2017
08:01 <+Hunterkll> ?!?!
08:01 < Jay-Ros> cheers, I'm just hearing a voice over the desk partition xx
08:02 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, that, and - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/sql-server/editions-and-components-of-sql-server-2017?view=sql-server-2017#RDBMSHA
08:02 <+Hunterkll> you're just wrong
08:02 <+Hunterkll> :)
08:02 < Jay-Ros> I'm aware I'm probably wrong
08:02 < Jay-Ros> likely wrong
08:02 < Jay-Ros> definitely wrong
08:02 <+Hunterkll> i need some milk and cookies now
08:02 <+Hunterkll> woo
08:03 < nohusuro> Active/Passive failover clustering is likely the cheapest option.
08:04 <+Hunterkll> cheapest...?
08:04 < nohusuro> cheapest failover option
08:04 <+Hunterkll> AOAG is supported in standard
08:04 <+Hunterkll> AOAG based FCI
08:04 <+Hunterkll> far better than regular FCI
08:05 <+Hunterkll> and AOAG with mirroring (now called "basic availability groups" in standard due to limits on number of replicas)
08:05 <+Hunterkll> etc
08:05 <+Hunterkll> all the same price
08:06 < genr8_> what can I do about getting unofficial information on Customizing Windows images with DISM or what to remove and common tweaks to add in
08:06 < Jay-Ros> Ah, he wants DAG running
08:06 < Jay-Ros> that's what he's specifying
08:07 <+Hunterkll> DAG is a exchange term
08:07 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, don't fux with the base wim, use the post deployment task sequence to do it
08:07 <+Hunterkll> that's the best asnwer
08:07 < nohusuro> Hunterkll: if you're running standard with always on, you need two instances of SQL server running right? in which case you need a second set of licenses for standard.
08:07 <+Hunterkll> or you'll get people like Nostalg14c who can't upgrade
08:07 <+Hunterkll> nohusuro, no...?
08:07 < nohusuro> with failover clustering, so long as your secondary is truly passive, you don't need a second set of licensing
08:07 <+Hunterkll> AOAG active/passive too....
08:07 <+Hunterkll> even in enterprise...
08:07 <+Hunterkll> secondary readablle, but only one primary read/write without extensive DTC work
08:08 <+Hunterkll> the licensing is for a passive standby
08:08 <+Hunterkll> even if that's just a VM repllica and not even an FCI
08:08 < nohusuro> if you can read data from your secondary, that's not passive.
08:08 <+Hunterkll> as long as you're using the AOAG or FCI interface, you're hitting the primary
08:08 < nohusuro> in microsofts terms
08:08 <+Hunterkll> in MS's terms it's as long as it's not pushing a workload - reading is  aworkload
08:08 <+Hunterkll> as llong as you're not hitting it
08:09 < nohusuro> since which version does SQL include AlwaysOn?
08:09 < nohusuro> It's not supported in my 2014 instance
08:10 <+Hunterkll> 2012 standard, i believe
08:10 <+Hunterkll> i've done it with 2014
08:10 <+Hunterkll> The secondary server used for failover support does not need to be separately licensed for SQL Server as
08:10 <+Hunterkll> long as it is truly passive. If it is serving data, such as reports to clients running active SQL Server workloads,
08:10 <+Hunterkll> or performing any “work” such as additional backups being made from secondary servers, then it must be
08:10 <+Hunterkll> licensed for SQL Server.
08:10 <+Hunterkll> the 2012 guiadance anyway
08:10 <+Hunterkll> as long as all your backup jobs are executing on the primary you're golden
08:10 < Jay-Ros> OK, Windows 10 Setup is checking what to keep, fingers crossed
08:11 < xe0n> nothing
08:11 < xe0n> gone
08:11 < xe0n> bsod
08:11 <+Hunterkll> nohusuro, 2014 had always on FCI - https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc645993(v=sql.120).aspx#High_availability
08:11 <+Hunterkll> but you coulld have replica via that
08:11 < MadCamel> I guarantee it'll keep the ads in the start menu!
08:11 <+Hunterkll> standard had up to 2 nodes
08:11 <+Hunterkll> so you didn't need shared storage
08:11 < Jay-Ros> hahah backing up files to my server
08:11 < nohusuro> I must be missing something for my AlwaysOn to have never appeared. I'll have to look into it again.
08:12 <+Hunterkll> right click the alwayson folder..?
08:12 < nohusuro> not like the failover clustering hasn't been working sweet for us
08:12 <+Hunterkll> yea
08:12 <+Hunterkll> https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/06/how-to-set-up-standard-edition-alwayson-availability-groups-in-sql-server-2016/
08:12 <+Hunterkll> here's hte 2016 info
08:12 < Jay-Ros> ok see you guys soon
08:12 < MadCamel> seriously though, $110 for a non-transferrable single-computer license and.. they put ads in it. That's really scumbag.
08:12 < MadCamel> good luck!
08:12 < Jay-Ros> pc is about to reboot, wish me luck ;)
08:12 <+Hunterkll> MadCamel, so turn it off?
08:13 < nohusuro> Hunterkll: https://i.imgur.com/Wqoth28.jpg
08:13 < nohusuro> I'm possible missing the mentioned KB, or I'm not running the x86 edition
08:13 <+Hunterkll> there's two types of AOAG
08:13 <+Hunterkll> it's confsuing and complex
08:13 <+Hunterkll> lol
08:13 < MadCamel> I have. Yet every time I power up the VM for something it a) wants to run updates even though I just want to use it, and b) When done with updates it invariably has new advertisements / suggested applications / etc in the start menu
08:14 <+Hunterkll> sounds like they're improperlyl managed then
08:14 < nohusuro> definitely running the x64 edition
08:14 <+Hunterkll> this is all resolved in documentation or STIG settings
08:14 < nohusuro> so x64 standard, doesn't support alwayson high availability
08:14 < nohusuro> for some stupid reason
08:15 <+Hunterkll> no
08:15 <+Hunterkll> just not /that/ type
08:15 < xe0n> MadCamel: what's this for sorry?
08:16 < enix> Remember when Windows Start Menu search function worked 100% of the time? Pepperidge Farm remembers..
08:16 <+Hunterkll> reallly?
08:16 < nohusuro> also the 2014 licensing guide I'm reading says the primary instance needs to be covered under SA to run passive nodes.
08:16 < nohusuro> :/
08:16 <+Hunterkll> enix, you know who's responsible for start menu search in the early days of XP and whatnot, right?
08:17 <+Hunterkll> XP thru 7 i believe
08:17 < MadCamel> xe0n: sometimes I have to use windows software so I bought a copy of 10 that I run in a VM, I only use it every few months but whenever I do the experience is just horrible.. So I'm randomly complaining.
08:17 <+Hunterkll> MadCamel, https://imgur.com/AHxaDeK this is alll I see, and i see the store tile and xbox tile (and the other tsuff) because i actually use them
08:17 <+Hunterkll> and i get a feature update every week
08:17 <+Hunterkll> not just a regular update update
08:18 < MadCamel> Forza Motorsport - ad.
08:18 <+Hunterkll> MadCamel, that's the store tile
08:18 <+Hunterkll> of course the store tile will show shit
08:18 <+Hunterkll> if you remove the store / lock it out
08:18 <+Hunterkll> it won't
08:18 <+Hunterkll> and of course it's going to show me game shit because i've installled games via the windows store
08:18 <+Hunterkll> but that's it
08:18 <+Hunterkll> loll
08:18 <+Hunterkll> doesn't show shit wihtou an account signed in on my system anyway
08:18 < MadCamel> I wish they'd sell LTSB to plebs like me.
08:19 < xe0n> ltsc
08:19 < MadCamel> ah
08:19 < xe0n> the B turned to a C
08:19 <+Hunterkll> Pro can be configured in just the same way without LTSB's horrific downside
08:19 <+Hunterkll> I'm not even allowed to use LTSB at work for work projects
08:19 <+Hunterkll> DoD won't allow it
08:19 <+Hunterkll> security reasons
08:19 <+Hunterkll> and hardware support
08:19 < genr8_> what horrific reason
08:19 <+Hunterkll> Security features, locked generational hardware support, management features
08:19 <+Hunterkll> the big 3 i can think of right now
08:20 <+Hunterkll> LTSB 2016 won't support newer chipsets then what was available in 2016
08:20 <+Hunterkll> nor will it support running on a variety of hardware platforms, even including the microsoft surface
08:20 <+Hunterkll> it has ... quirks
08:20 <+Hunterkll> that microsoft won't bugfix because it's not a supported hardware platform
08:21 < xe0n> naht hot dog
08:21 <+Hunterkll> it also doesn't have some of the 'ink' services that make using the pen on it in a kiosk-style situation suck
08:21 <+Hunterkll> and high DPI support
08:21 < Jay-Ros> Fuck me, I'm at 62%...
08:21 <+Hunterkll> high DPI support in LTSC SUCKS DICK
08:21 <+Hunterkll> because all the good high DPI enhancements came in 1703
08:21 < Jay-Ros> this windows fixerooni is taking its sweet ass-time
08:22 <+Hunterkll> no pressure sesnitivity either
08:22 < xe0n> fix me
08:22 < vader-> i wish they would get a grip on all these CPU vulnerabilities
08:22 <+Hunterkll> oh yea, and they don't test firmware updates with it either
08:22 <+Hunterkll> lol
08:22 < vader-> new one this week
08:22 <+Hunterkll> Windows 10 LTSC doesn't get firmware updates tested
08:22 <+Hunterkll> so you could update vmware or whatever
08:22 <+Hunterkll> and be boned
08:22 <+Hunterkll> :D
08:23 <+Hunterkll> it's literally a 'stuck in time' sorta deall
08:23 <+Hunterkll> for best results with LTSC you want to have extra hardware for your purpose on hand/standardized and make sure you have a continued availability of 2016 generation hardware
08:23 < MadCamel> eh that'd be fine by me for the most part but I guess eventually it won't run some software I want to run
08:24 <+Hunterkll> it's literallly the direct replacement of windows embedded / 8.1 industry pro / POSready 7 / etc
08:24 <+Hunterkll> with alll the downsides
08:24 <+Hunterkll> correct
08:24 <+Hunterkll> there's API and other limitations too
08:24 <+Hunterkll> it'd be like trying to run office on 8.1 industry pro
08:24 <+Hunterkll> yes, you can force it to work
08:24 < xe0n> correcto - we use it on our thin clients
08:24 <+Hunterkll> but an update might break it because you're using undocumented shit
08:24 <+Hunterkll> and unsupported, so entirely untested
08:25 <+Hunterkll> oh yea, CPU utillization fixes and battery lilfe too
08:25 <+Hunterkll> https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7y6v1r/review_of_windows_ltsb_on_a_surface_see_comment/
08:26 < MadCamel> eh maybe I'll upgrade to pro and find a decrapify script to run
08:26 <+Hunterkll> oh you're on home?
08:26 <+Hunterkll> yea
08:26 <+Hunterkll> that can be a thing
08:26 <+Hunterkll> best to do is just disabllel the WU service
08:26 <+Hunterkll> and just update it once in a while
08:26 <+Hunterkll> my shit's all on pro or enterprise non-LTSC
08:26 <+Hunterkll> I won't use LLTSC because i don't want my shit to break
08:26 <+Hunterkll> loll
08:26 <+Hunterkll> ironic....
08:26 <+Hunterkll> also LTSC doesn't support my desktop computer which is alll late 2017 hardware
08:26 <+Hunterkll> heh
08:27 < xe0n> 10 enterprise, disable consumer features, done.
08:27 <+Hunterkll> pro can do some tweaks too
08:27 <+Hunterkll> xe0n, best part i didn't disable consumer features
08:27 <+Hunterkll> but still got the rest of that shit to go wherever it goes?
08:28 < xe0n> i dont bother either
08:28 <+Hunterkll> i use the store so i can't
08:28 <+Hunterkll> i also use cortona with my windows, android, and iphones
08:28 <+Hunterkll> lol
08:28 <+Hunterkll> and multi-device syncing
08:28 <+Hunterkll> but otherwise
08:28 <+Hunterkll> oh yea and as an alarm clock
08:28 < xe0n> i have better things to do than spend my time trying to get rid of a handful of apps that mean nothing...
08:28 < xe0n> yep
08:28 <+Hunterkll> i don't get rid of the 16KB stubs
08:28 <+Hunterkll> i properlly manage them
08:28 <+Hunterkll> oh, and xbox DVR is an amazing screen recorder for developers and users alike
08:28 <+Hunterkll> lol
08:29 <+Hunterkll> free
08:29 <+Hunterkll> instead of buying those fuckheads snagit pro or whatever
08:29 < MadCamel> update service now disabled. hopefully that'll improve things.
08:30 <+Hunterkll> MadCamel, do update it once in a while but yea
08:30 <+Hunterkll> LOL
08:30 <+Hunterkll> in that reddit thread i linked about LTSB on surface
08:30 <+Hunterkll> the dude is straight up LYING
08:30 < xe0n> who cares man, it's the internet lol
08:31 <+Hunterkll> https://www.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/7y6v1r/review_of_windows_ltsb_on_a_surface_see_comment/duebguw
08:31 < MadCamel> https://www.xkcd.com/386/
08:31 <+Hunterkll> walou's response
08:31 <+Hunterkll> "I am using edge while writing"
08:31 <+Hunterkll> uhhh
08:31 <+Hunterkll> LTSB doesn't have EDGE
08:31 <+Hunterkll> try again
08:32 < xe0n> he's using mosaic
08:33 <+Hunterkll> loooool
08:34 < Jay-Ros> HI! I'm Jay-Ros, and I have a problem :(
08:35 <+Hunterkll> PROCESS1_INITIALIZATION_FAILELD ?
08:35 < Jay-Ros> https://pasteboard.co/HmCzCxC.png
08:35 <+Hunterkll> eh
08:35 <+Hunterkll> keep resetting it till something happens
08:35 <+Hunterkll> let it bsod or ASR
08:35 < enix> Jay-Ros: sounds like you need to ... HANDLE ... your shit
08:35 < Jay-Ros> https://pasteboard.co/HmCzOtA.png
08:36 < Jay-Ros> I'm looking up the code now
08:36 < Jay-Ros> sounds like I need to wipe this motherfucker
08:36 < MadCamel> use a blowtorch on the heatsink
08:36 < MadCamel> works every time
08:36 < Jay-Ros> ...grab the new machine in the comms room, fire it up and copy my shit across
08:36 < xe0n> just forget about the pc and go drink beer
08:36 < xe0n> it can wait
08:36 < xe0n> i've been meaning to move across to my new laptop for nearly a month and a half now
08:36 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - you know me too well ,#
08:36 < xe0n> cbf
08:37 < Jay-Ros> <#
08:37 < vader-> windows 10's recovery options never work for me
08:37 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUvxg9E5yw4 rediscovered this puppy today lol
08:38 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - my pc is in permamute. Is it your boi bangs level awesome?
08:38 <+Hunterkll> lol
08:39 < Jay-Ros> fuck it. new pc day tomorrow
08:39 < Jay-Ros> I'll run two until I've copied my shit across
08:40 < Jay-Ros> Cool. I'm setting $boss up with a new pc, and he's letting me take the newest one and we're grabbing some more ram
08:40 < Jay-Ros> that'll do.
08:44 < xe0n> that's what ive been doing for the past month
08:46 <@Nostalg14c> Hmk, 1803 is ready2go.
08:48 < xe0n> arreeee youuuu readddyyyy
08:52 < enix> wow
08:55 < Jay-Ros> xe0n - make it happen!
08:55 < Jay-Ros> I'm doing it right now
08:56 < Jay-Ros> ^_^ my new guy in the office has the nickname 'DJ Downtime' after 3 weeks
08:56 < Jay-Ros> I told him to go home while I build my new pc - he has the touch of death
08:57 < zerocool> -_- folder redirection doesn't work with a cname?
08:57 < zerocool> why the frick does anyone pay these clowns
08:58 < enix> ?
08:58 < Jay-Ros> zerocoo1 - cname or a name? what are you trying to do?
08:58 < Jay-Ros> and which clowns?
08:58 < Jay-Ros> also, what?
08:58 < zerocool> microsoft clowns
08:59  * enix exits stage left
08:59  * Jay-Ros joins enix
08:59 < zerocool> replaced server with server1, folder redirection use to go to \\server\userdata, created cname server -> server1
08:59 < zerocool> folder redirection dozen work
08:59 < Jay-Ros> ...and apologises for the stupid questions earlier
09:00 < Jay-Ros> dude... a name
09:00 < Jay-Ros> also, DFSN
09:00 < xe0n> zerocool: are the permissions set correctly
09:00 < Jay-Ros> do it properly
09:00 < xe0n> and yeah, dfs namespaces
09:00 < xe0n> anyway yeah check the permissions
09:00 < enix> fuck it im ordering pizza and staying back
09:00 < enix> yolo son
09:00 < Jay-Ros> also, check yourself, before you wreck yourself
09:01 < zerocool> okay let me put some bananas in my delorean
09:01 < Jay-Ros> enix - uber eats a ramen bowl
09:01 < Jay-Ros> treat yourself
09:01 < enix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsABTmT1_M0
09:02 < enix> vegan pizza time for me
09:02 < Jay-Ros> you're vegan, or is it fasting time?
09:02 < zerocool> heh
09:02 < Jay-Ros> that's wednesday's/fridays, ignore me
09:02 < enix> I'm vego
09:02 < enix> vegan*
09:02 < Jay-Ros> gotcha
09:03 < enix> already treated myself for lunch with an antipasto sandwich but fuck it, i'm having a rough week
09:03 < Jay-Ros> My workmates are assyrian, turkish, south friken, greek and fijian indian. I've got no discrimination there
09:03 < enix> ouch
09:03 < Jay-Ros> but dude.... fucking slow cooked pork?
09:03 < enix> You must eat a LOT of food
09:03 < Jay-Ros> what are you doing to yourself?!
09:03 < Jay-Ros> we've got brazillian bbq booked for next week
09:03 < enix> hahaha HSP has to be the main thing I miss
09:04 < enix> I cook better KFC than KFC half the time so I'm cool on that
09:04 < enix> Except my KFC substitutes chicken with mushrooms now
09:04 < Jay-Ros> KFP - portabello mushies
09:04 < enix> KFP sounds better than KFM actually
09:04 < enix> But cant because I use button mushrooms
09:07 <@Nostalg14c> Jay-Ros: lol
09:07 <@Nostalg14c> oops scroll up life
09:07 <@Nostalg14c> fking addicted to kfc rn
09:08 < Jay-Ros> :)
09:14 < enix> uber eats telling me my foor will been here in one minute
09:14 < enix> hasn't finished preparing the order
09:14 < enix> That's a little fucking hopeful
09:15 < enix> This guys name is Jiratip
09:15 < enix> Sometimes I feel they make these names up hahaha
09:15 < vader-> i had KFC for the first time last week in like 6 years
09:15 < vader-> it was amazing
09:15 < nohusuro> did you immediately shit your pants?
09:15 < nohusuro> KFC is far too greasy for my liking
09:16 < vader-> i even had enough for left overs
09:16 < vader-> two days of goodness
09:16 < vader-> ya my asshole paid for it
09:16 < vader-> but it definitely was worth it...
09:16 < vader-> i dunno why but it really hit the spot
09:17 < enix> What i dont understand is what it is in kfc that really wrecks your rectum
09:17 < enix> Not the chilli part, just the all-round KFC-ness
09:17 < vader-> grease
09:17 < nohusuro> literally just grease
09:17 < enix> really..
09:17 < nohusuro> even the chicken is grease
09:17 <@Nostalg14c> i do just fine, probably just takes a wihle to get use to
09:17 < vader-> it oozes deepfryer oil
09:17 <@Nostalg14c> stomachs are very adaptable
09:18 < enix> This 'bicycle' is moving very fast...
09:18 < nohusuro> if you can make a solid brick wall see through, it's got too much grease ;)
09:18 < enix> and stopping at every traffic light...
09:18 < enix> brb
09:19 < sockspls> i just had a electrician show up to change the battery in my smoke alarm
09:20 < sockspls> am i a dumb
09:21 <@Nostalg14c> battery operated smoke alarms have been illegal here for a few yeras ;p
09:21 < nohusuro> anyone know if a program to find sectors on a disk that are starting to fail and then hammer them with data until they do? :P
09:21 < enix> Is it illegal to not have smoke alarms
09:21 < enix> because like.. they wont wake me so why worry
09:21 < vader-> Uhg I have a phone interview in the morning...
09:21 < nohusuro> got a few disks that I want to RMA, but the diagnostics utils reallocated the sectors and now they pass smart checks :/
09:22 < Jay-Ros> nohusuro - do you have any alerts on the disks from the OS?
09:23 < SocksPls> Nostalg14c: its a mains powered alarm with a backup battery
09:23 < Jay-Ros> something you can send through and say 'It doesn't seem problematic now, but I had a whole system crash on this disk"?
09:23 < SocksPls> when the battery is low it beeps really loud every 40 seconds
09:24 < SocksPls> it was doing this for 2 weeks and i couldn't work out how to replace it so i called the landlord and he sent out some guy
09:24 <+Hunterkll> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5750289/Texas-school-gunman-sang-One-Bites-Dust-time-shot-victim.html
09:24 <+Hunterkll> BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
09:24 <@Nostalg14c> enix: yes
09:25 <+Hunterkll> oh texas
09:25 < enix> :(
09:25 <+Hunterkll> this and 58 TB of child porn
09:25 <+Hunterkll> what the hell texas
09:25 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll "and another one down <PLOW!> and another one down <BLAP!>
09:26 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, WOOHOO!
09:26 < nohusuro> Jay-Ros: they're NAS disks that failed in the array
09:26 < Jay-Ros> So fucked up Hunterkll
09:26 < nohusuro> so I don't want to put them back in, even though the NAS wasn't production
09:27 < Jay-Ros> SO fucked up nohusuro
09:27 < nohusuro> I'd rather RMA them
09:27 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, thank god he only had an assault shotgun or it coulld have been worse
09:27 < nohusuro> but only one of the four have come back as warrantable according to western digital diagnostics tools
09:27 <+Hunterkll> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-texas-school-shooting-gun-debate-20180520-story.html
09:27 <+Hunterkll> oh lawdy
09:27 < nohusuro> so I'm going to make the others fail
09:27 < Jay-Ros> It's so crazy. AU opinion is a little less acclimatised to US gun incidents
09:28 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, oh, the weapon he used would be almost perfectlly legal as a lever action in australia
09:28 <+Hunterkll> so it definitely muddied up the US debates
09:28 <+Hunterkll> haha
09:28 <+Hunterkll> same with the pistol
09:28 < Jay-Ros> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
09:28 < Jay-Ros> Oh yeah, I'm indifferent on gun laws and all that
09:28 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, yes, and you now have more legall firearms than ever in australia
09:28 < Wannabejrsysadm> Goodmorning gents!
09:29 < Wannabejrsysadm> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/f1e1b45d739732e17abf422f3561137a/image.png
09:29 < Jay-Ros> it is what it is - I work in IT, not politics. Were I to have a stronger opinion I'd change careers
09:29 < Wannabejrsysadm> new backup speed <3
09:29 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, the problem is we have less deaths in mass shootings per million citizens than a llot of european countries. :P
09:29 <+Hunterkll> lol
09:29 <+Hunterkll> in the US that is
09:29 < Jay-Ros> thats some fast veeaming Wannabejrsysadm
09:29 < Wannabejrsysadm> Completely redid our IT infrastructure :d
09:30 < Wannabejrsysadm> Love it
09:30 < Wannabejrsysadm> its DAY AND NIGHT diffrence ;O
09:30 <+Hunterkll> wow
09:30 < Wannabejrsysadm> I think our new Nimble and 10gigabit uplinks pull alot of the weight :P
09:31 < Jay-Ros> Oh yeah, that's some grunt. Flash array <3
09:31 <+Hunterkll> christ
09:31 <+Hunterkll> you have some INTERESTING ways of getting around laws
09:31 < Wannabejrsysadm> Not full flash tho but i'm happy non the less ;p Jay-Ros
09:31 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, http://www.protactical.com.au/browse-products/product/2034-pardus-lax12-mf-mag-fed-lever-action-12ga-shotgun-18-patrol - far more effective than the Santa Fe shooter .... and it's australia legall
09:31 <+Hunterkll> o.o
09:31 <+Hunterkll> mag fed. w00t
09:32 < Jay-Ros> Jesus...
09:32 < Jay-Ros> that's insane, I didn't know about that one
09:32 <+Hunterkll> lever action is much easier to function than pump action in a situation like that
09:32 <+Hunterkll> yep
09:33 <+Hunterkll> the santa fe shooting, of course, hasn't really been in news or media at all except for a day or two
09:33 <+Hunterkll> doesn't fit any of our narratives
09:33 <+Hunterkll> lol
09:33 <+Hunterkll> except "sure, he killeld a lot of people, but with an AR-15 it could have been worse!!!!!"
09:34 < enix> Hunterkll: what did the shooter use sorry
09:34 <+Hunterkll> enix, shotgun and a pistol
09:34 < enix> Seriously
09:34 <+Hunterkll> yes
09:34 < enix> Good effort
09:34 <+Hunterkll> wat
09:34 < enix> eh most people just take a semi auto into these situations
09:35 <+Hunterkll> his dad probably didn't own one
09:35 < Jay-Ros> "Sure, i'll put down my sword... you win, you've got meI'VE GOT ANOTHER SWORD!"
09:35 <+Hunterkll> enix, it was a fuckin' remington 870 even
09:35 < Jay-Ros> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcT6mrsnk6A
09:35 <+Hunterkll> there's like over a 8 million in the country of that model alone
09:36 <+Hunterkll> probably more than 10 million
09:36 <+Hunterkll> hell, i used to have a mossberg 500 which has simliar functional characteristics
09:36 <+Hunterkll> LOL I WAS RIGHT
09:36 <+Hunterkll> enix, he got the weapons by jacking 'em from his dad
09:37 < Jay-Ros> Also the great taste in theme music Hunterkll
09:37 < Jay-Ros> (although the japanese thing was a little more modern JP influence on nerds)
09:37 <+Hunterkll> enix, damn, the handgun was apparently a .38 revolver
09:38 < enix> Hunterkll: .. a six shooter?
09:38 <+Hunterkll> yes
09:38 < enix> Jay-Ros: yeah I don't agree with the japanese thing
09:38 < enix> Considering he didn't commit suicide it makes no sense
09:38 <+Hunterkll> and some gun control advocate was like 'yea see this wasn'ts o bad because he had limited capacity and it takes llonger to reload' bitch what the fuck do you think a shotshell bandoleer is for and shoving a round in the tube every other shot
09:39 <+Hunterkll> he killed 10 and injured 13
09:39 <+Hunterkll> with a fucking pump action shotgun (a rem 870) and a .38 revollver
09:39 <+Hunterkll> -_-
09:39 < enix> TBH though
09:39 < Wannabejrsysadm> Muricans are dumb
09:39 < Wannabejrsysadm> trying to combat weapons
09:39 < enix> And I dont want this to come across like I want to see some bad shit happen
09:39 < Wannabejrsysadm> with more weapons
09:39 < Wannabejrsysadm> topkek
09:39 < enix> because I don't
09:39 <+Hunterkll> Wannabejrsysadm, what? we never mentioned anything lilke that
09:39 < enix> But I've always been surprised that the numbers are so low. He shot what? 23 people?
09:39  * enix slow claps
09:39 <+Hunterkll> yea
09:40 <+Hunterkll> with like, a revolver and a tube (not magazine) fed shotgun
09:40 <+Hunterkll> which, at MOST would have held 10 shells
09:40 < enix> OKay yeah thats maximum effort right
09:40 <+Hunterkll> and one shot was blown through a door
09:40 <+Hunterkll> not at a person
09:40 < Wannabejrsysadm> Hunterkll Trump does
09:40 <+Hunterkll> most likely it was a 6 round shotshell tube
09:40 < enix> But most other shooters dont go above that either
09:40 <+Hunterkll> Wannabejrsysadm, I agree with armed SROs in school, but they're also police officers...
09:40 < Wannabejrsysadm> and basicly the entire arms lobby does
09:40 <+Hunterkll> and/or trained teacherse being allowed the /option/ to carry if they're licensed
09:40 < enix> Why teh fuck do you want cops at schools man
09:40 <+Hunterkll> being allowed the /option/
09:40 <+Hunterkll> enix, mine had one
09:40 <+Hunterkll> *shrug*
09:40 <+Hunterkll> he was cool
09:41 < enix> I LITERALLY grew up in the fucking ghetto
09:41 < enix> TWO DIFFERENT GHETTOS
09:41 < enix> No cops at school
09:41 <+Hunterkll> lol
09:41 <+Hunterkll> we had lots of herion and cocaine too
09:41 <+Hunterkll> it was great
09:41 <+Hunterkll> Wannabejrsysadm, then again, i've been of the same opinion for 15 years, so i predate the current idiocy arguemnts and pre-date the 'gun free school zone' bs
09:42 <+Hunterkll> I know someone who can legally carry in /federal buildings/ including courthouses but not when they sit in their car to pick up their kid at school
09:42 <+Hunterkll> wat
09:42 <+Hunterkll> anyway, yea
09:42 <+Hunterkll> the main thing here was that these weapons are like, EU and AU legall
09:42 <+Hunterkll> lol
09:42 <+Hunterkll> even in the strictest of nations, equivelent weapons are widely available
09:42 <+Hunterkll> more widely available in AU than say, the UK though
09:42 <+Hunterkll> but Ireland has laxer pistol laws, i think
09:43 < enix> Yeah but GL to your kid getting access to both gun, magazine AND ammunition
09:43 <+Hunterkll> in AU? Easy
09:43 <+Hunterkll> England? Easy
09:43 <+Hunterkll> Ireland? Easy
09:43 < enix> No we have to store both separately
09:43 < enix> So assuming yu're not a cock knuckle, that's two different safes
09:43 <+Hunterkll> and how exactly tough
09:43 <+Hunterkll> are those locks?
09:44 < enix> So two different safes, different combinations
09:44 < enix> bolted into concrete
09:44 <+Hunterkll> I've taught girlscouts how to lockpick locks that are harder than legal gun safes in some countries
09:44 <+Hunterkll> enix, so, not every house in AU has concrete
09:44 <+Hunterkll> maybe in your state
09:44 < enix> Hunterkll: there's a law one sec
09:44 <+Hunterkll> and a lot of gun safes i've delt with
09:44 <+Hunterkll> you can hear the tumbler well enough
09:45 < Jay-Ros> Hunterkll, my postcode: pop:27,529 firearm owners:339, firearms:1521, largest collection from one person:74
09:45 <+Hunterkll> but even so, just getting the amunition is good enough
09:45 <+Hunterkll> llol l74 ?
09:45 <+Hunterkll> haha
09:45 < Jay-Ros> 74 guns
09:45 < enix> Recommendations: https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/131178/Safe_Storage_Level_One_-_FACT_Sheet.pdf
09:45 < Jay-Ros> "This is my Bathroom slash gun storage room, and this is my master bedroom slash gun storage room"
09:46 <+Hunterkll> Jay-Ros, this is my gun storage room slash gun storage room slash weapons depot
09:46 < Jay-Ros> "Sometimes I run out of things to shoot with my guns, so I just shoot another gun with this gun"
09:46 < Jay-Ros> "Oh, this is my favourite: It's a gun which shoots guns at other guns!"
09:46 <+Hunterkll> enix, loll WA only requires 5 pin llocks
09:46 <+Hunterkll> that's easy to learn how to do from the internet
09:46 <+Hunterkll> with a pickset for $7 on deal extreme
09:47 <+Hunterkll> anchoring requirements only say it's supposed to be tied to 2 immovable surfaces
09:47 < Jay-Ros> "I felt like I might have some issues with close-quarters combat, so I turned these two guns into nunchucks. Gun nunchucks"
09:47 <+Hunterkll> masonry fixing bolts or coach screws
09:47 < enix> no connection could be made because the target machine actively refused it
09:47 <+Hunterkll> as is appropriate
09:47 < enix> Incorrect username password or is that specifically connectivity
09:48 <+Hunterkll> enix, looks like WA has no separate storage requirement
09:48 <+Hunterkll> and it only has to have 2mm thick steel walls
09:48 <+Hunterkll> lol
09:48 <+Hunterkll> and only a 5 point key lock
09:48 <+Hunterkll> doesn't say if a dial type is acceptable
09:49 < enix> Windows: I am sick of battling with you
09:49 < enix> Soprry was checking something
09:49 <+Hunterkll> A Level 1 safe or Level 2 safe that weighs less than 150 kilograms when empty must be bolted to a solid concrete, brick,
09:49 <+Hunterkll> metal or timber floor, wall or other permanent internal structure of the building or outbuilding with at least two solid anchor
09:49 <+Hunterkll> bolts. Firearms can no longer be stored in timber containers or chained to walls.
09:50 <+Hunterkll> 'concrete, brick, metal, or timber floor, wall, or blah blah'
09:50 <+Hunterkll> that's for SA
09:50 <+Hunterkll> no separate storage requirement either
09:51 <+Hunterkll> looks like Victoria mentions the requirement
09:51 <+Hunterkll> but
09:51 <+Hunterkll> the ammunition storage requirements aren't nearly as strict
09:51 <+Hunterkll> there's no realll specificiations there
09:51 <+Hunterkll> just 'llocked container'
09:52 <+Hunterkll> seems they left storage up as a state level issue
09:57 < enix> WHY THE FUCK IS THIS NOT WORKING T_T
09:57 < enix> Okay I am uninstalling this instance and starting again
09:59 < nohusuro> enix: whacha dooin?
10:03 < enix> So my mate wants a logo done
10:04 < enix> "I want a silhouette of a car that doesn't look like any car in particular"
10:04 < enix> He said "YOu know the logo everyone else uses? I want the same thing"
10:05 < enix> https://cdn.expertise.com/logos/new-orleans-la_la_auto-detailing_40.jpg
10:05 < enix> That.. he wants that.
10:05 < nohusuro> send him the link
10:05 < nohusuro> job done
10:06 < enix> oh wait no it looks like a VN commodore..
10:06 < nohusuro> https://www.vecteezy.com/free-vector/car-silhouette
10:06 < enix> Thank you :)
10:06 < enix> hahaha
10:08 < enix> See I wish his business name wasn't so stupid
10:08 < enix> "house of shine"
10:08 < enix> get fucked mate
10:08 < nohusuro> why don't you just, not do it?
10:08 < nohusuro> I never do shit for mates
10:08 < enix> I get involved with ALL my mates businesses
10:09 < enix> It's part of a grander business plan that requires that reputation to be established
10:09 < enix> I get kick backs like no tomorrow though. I owe my own success to these guys promos
10:09 < nohusuro> fair enough if you're doing it to build rep
10:09 < nohusuro> I don't do it so I can switch off when I get home :D
10:09 < enix> I had to stop for a pretty long time
10:10 < enix> Shit.. about six years
10:10 < enix> Because my home office has become a bloody warehouse
10:10 < enix> Cant wait to move out. Stock in the garage, home office, total freedom. Faarrrr ouutttttt come at me queensland
10:21 < plop> morning!!
10:23 < ihre> hey plop
10:24 < enix> I just traced Australias shittiest car into a silhouette and sent it to him to confirm car size and logo layout
10:24 < enix> lets see if he likes it
10:24 < enix> https://www.shannons.com.au/library/images/auctions/FDA912FHT0A598EE/1600x1066/1990-holden-vn-commodore-group-a-ss-sedan.jpg
10:24 < enix> no that's too nice
10:24 < enix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Commodore_(VN)
10:25 < ihre> a ss sedan
10:25 < enix> $31,000 for everyone to assume you beat your wife and masterbate to Pauline Hanson
10:25 < ihre> cute
10:31 < miggyb> Anyone here using a wildcard SSL certificate for Active Directory/intranet sites/etc? As far as I can tell it looks like you can set up one certificate to sign everything but I'm not 100% sure
10:33 < ihre> doesnt that .. renders pki based auth useless ?
10:33 < humpaxx> Hey gang
10:34 < humpaxx> So the new Windows 10 update just blasted the accouting software on a computer, including the sql 2008 express install that drives it
10:34 < humpaxx> and like all non-microsoft apps
10:35 < miggyb> ihre: I mean all clients/web servers have their own keys/certificates, it's just it's all signed with the same wildcard cert
10:35 < miggyb> I didn't mean putting the wildcard cert everywhere
10:56 < humpaxx> Fucking windows 10
11:15 < miggyb> The only thing worse than Windows 10 are Windows 10 apologists and literal Nazis
11:15 < miggyb> or, well, *things
11:26 < FenJai> Morning peeps
11:27 < Reverend> morning nerds
11:31 < SocksPls> should i buy an ibm model m on ebay
11:37 < ihre> yes
11:38 < ihre> although, they will cost the most on ebay
11:38 < ihre> probably easier to pick one up at a second hand store locally (if there are any :P)
11:38 < ihre> they are often available on reddit/mechmarket as well, might be worth a look
11:41 < ihre> miggyb: it looks like that would be dependent on the extended key usage field of the cert, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5280#section-4.2.1.12
11:56 <+A-KO|pc> meh
11:56 <+A-KO> model Ms are kinda meh IMO
11:59 < LegalDrokz|PI> 1,2, 3 a great day to work in IT!
12:00 <+A-KO> hahahahahaha
12:09 < FenJai> GDPR approaches
12:09 < FenJai> 24 hours remain
12:25 < hlavender> Does anyone here use ESET? Is it any good?
12:26 < hlavender> trying to compare endpoint protection for a rollout
12:30 < miggyb> ihre: looks useful, thanks!
12:47 < FenJai> Management here want me to write up an audit process for GDPR to do periodically after the 25th. At the moment this just consists of a keyword search for files like CV, cover letter, etc. However they want me to include emails
12:47 < FenJai> So the question is, in an automated environment is scanning employee emails ethical
12:50 < ihre> lol... "Unable to find source-code formatter for language: shell. Available languages are: ... nyan ..."
13:03 < FenJai> nyan ?
13:03 < FenJai> Like, meow ?>
13:10 < audia5> iam just Reading the news paper some millionaire calls a car company iam coming with helicopter to buy a car , give me place to park my helicopter :)
13:15 < ihre> FenJai: i think https://github.com/SFTtech/nyan :P
13:26 < Live> FenJai: I guess some endpoint security solutions already do it
13:26 < Live> so v0v
13:27 < Live> technically you are violating the GDPR itself heavily though by doing that :d
13:27 < Live> technically you are violating the GDPR itself heavily though by doing that :D
13:27 < Live> oh shit this isnt discord where i can edit my message, sorry
13:29 < FenJai> So automated scanning of work emails violates gdpr ?
13:29 < Live> in a way
13:29 < Live> depends if your colleagues consent to it
13:30 < Live> my business needed a permit from HR department which needed a permit from works council
13:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> hlavender, if you are going for tradional AV solution i'd for sure check out Kaspersky Endpoint Security
13:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> unless you are a government, financial, or critical infrastructure company, because russia
13:33 < Live> dw kaspersky moving all business operations to switzerland
13:33 < Live> :^)
13:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> nice, they were getting so much heat without proof
13:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> Dutch government even banned it a week ago
13:36 < Live> yeah
13:37 < Live> https://www.kaspersky.com/transparency-center
13:44 < jaelae> I’m n
13:44 < jaelae> I’m the new McDonald’s WiFi
13:48 < ihre> McDonaldsWiFi: did you give that guy ^ access? :|
13:55 < McDonaIdsWiFi> Sure did ihre
13:56 < Nightcinder> A Software Maintenance contract (not included with the thin client device) is required to access software upgrades. The Software maintenance contracts must be registered on the Dell Digital Locker using the registration code received with purchase of the maintenance agreement.
13:57 < Nightcinder> so dell's becoming hp
13:57 < jaelae> :) I’m at McDonald’s on WiFi - McDonaldsWiFi how often do you do this
13:57 < jaelae> I can’t get work done because the people are too interesting
14:01 < FenJai> How would I script setting lock when idle for 5 mins on windows ?
14:01 < hlavender> LegalDrokz|PI: why kaspersky?
14:01 < hlavender> appreciate the advice
14:01 < LegalDrokz|PI> good detection rates, low cpu usage, good usability
14:02 < hlavender> dunno if mgmt will like the RUS factor though
14:02 < hlavender> :^(
14:02 < LegalDrokz|PI> https://www.av-test.org/en/antivirus/business-windows-client/windows-10/
14:02 < LegalDrokz|PI> for a comparison on those points of the big name vendors
14:03 < LegalDrokz|PI> as Live mentioned, they are moving to Switzerland to cut the russia ties
14:04 < hlavender> interesting that ESET isnt on there
14:05 < LegalDrokz|PI> aside from AV, they also offer endpoint control (device blocking, app whitelisting etc) and if you want you can use a on premise console to scan for vulnerarabilities and patch them automatically
14:06 < hlavender> thx thx
14:06 < LegalDrokz|PI> i'd suggest contacting a VAR specialized in security
14:07 < LegalDrokz|PI> they can help advice on vendor and licensing choices based on your needs
14:07 < LegalDrokz|PI> so you can focus on what your needs are instead of working out each of the possible candidates
14:08 < LegalDrokz|PI> and don't forget about 'next gen' AV solutions
14:08 < plop> what a day.
14:09 < LegalDrokz|PI> to stop polymorphic cryptolockers etc
14:09 < SynMonger> My boss won't give up SEP, but it's usually pretty late to the party as far as dectections go. At least in my experience
14:09 < LegalDrokz|PI> you ded plop?
14:09 < ihre> Super Extreme Protection (TM)?
14:09 < SynMonger> symantec endpoint protection
14:10 < ihre> that is somewhat disappointing
14:10 < LegalDrokz|PI> symantec isn't bad at all
14:11 < LegalDrokz|PI> *these days
14:12 < hlavender> symnatec are pricks
14:12 < hlavender> tried to charge us for a service we cancelled
14:12 < plop> i'm ded LegalDrokz|PI
14:12 < hlavender> £10,000 too
14:12 < hlavender> looooool, sent it to legal and they got told to go away
14:13 < LegalDrokz|PI> plop, care 2 share?
14:13 < SynMonger> can't share if you're ded
14:14 < plop> LegalDrokz|PI, i just need a lart to rectify some luser attitudes. if you don't know how to hide columns in excel, go search in youtube.
14:21 < LegalDrokz|PI> hide columns in Excel?
14:21 < LegalDrokz|PI> i'm getting 2004 vibes
14:21 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:21 < LegalDrokz|PI> hello hello asimon
14:21 < LegalDrokz|PI> do you know how to hide colums in Excel?
14:22 < plop> yes, right click > hide
14:22 < asimon> Select the column heading (e.g. 'A' or 'G') and right click - hide
14:22 < plop> i'll start saying "no" when someone asks for this kind of help
14:23 < asimon> You can unhide the same way by selecting the surrounding columns of the hidden one
14:23 < estranger> Choo choo mother fuckers
14:23 < plop> or: why your CV says office knowledge: medium. you're a person i'll never be able to trust
14:23 < SynMonger> here comes the pain train
14:24 < LegalDrokz|PI> depending on who you are dealing with, saying no is pretty easy and fun
14:24 < SynMonger> plop: unless that means you can read minds, I wouldn't know how to take that
14:24 < LegalDrokz|PI> i sometimes pack my 'no'
14:24 < estranger> 🤛🤜🤛🤜
14:24 < LegalDrokz|PI> into a lowkey shaming exercise
14:24 < plop> LegalDrokz|PI, true.
14:24 < hlavender> why do you even answer office questions
14:24 < hlavender> unless you're helpdesk
14:24 < hlavender> I just tell people that I never use excel
14:24 < hlavender> which is actually true
14:24 < hlavender> so i cant help
14:25 < SynMonger> same here
14:25 < LegalDrokz|PI> truth and beauty in that method
14:25 < hlavender> like i can build you a nice fully meshed multisite network
14:25 < asimon> I use it a lot but I wish I didn't
14:25 < hlavender> cant use pivot tables however
14:25 < estranger> I say wrong number, and hang up
14:25 < asimon> we were doing some really complex monte carlo simulations and crazy multiple-workbook lookups
14:25 < asimon> Which was just terrible to maintain
14:25 < hlavender> asimon: wow
14:26 < estranger> In Excel?
14:26 < asimon> So I rewrote it all in python
14:26 < asimon> yeah
14:26 < LegalDrokz|PI> you could also offer to do it for an under the table fee, and when they decline, threaten to tell HR/manager about their Office incompetence
14:26 < hlavender> office documents that look up other office documents deserve to be nuked
14:26 < estranger> Yeah.. Excell is the wrong tech there hehe
14:26 < asimon> much more maintainable and we could actually use version control with git
14:26 < hlavender> I once had an accountancy contractor come in and try and get me to use excel as a way to store and organise files
14:26 < LegalDrokz|PI> Excel is turing complete, so technically, you can do anything
14:27 < hlavender> like using excel as a file manager
14:27 < plop> hlavender, i tell them the same. no excel. i just paint cells to calm my nervers down
14:27 < hlavender> i couldnt think of anything to say
14:27 < estranger> You can wipe your ass with a cactus, doesn't mean you should
14:27 < hlavender> he built a file structure in excel that hyperlinks to other files
14:27 < hlavender> i almost cried
14:27 < LegalDrokz|PI> powerpoint is turing complete as well
14:27 < plop> i had this accounting guy that used excel for everything. for example to write a letter. he said: everything in the place i want: date here, name here, etc.
14:27 < SynMonger> so this is how the world ends
14:28 < estranger> Are they really?
14:28 < LegalDrokz|PI> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjxe8ShM-8 had me in stitches
14:29 < estranger> Snitches get stitches
14:29 < hlavender> sales people -> everything in powerpoint
14:29 < hlavender> accountants -> everything in excel
14:29 < LegalDrokz|PI> how about LaTeX?
14:29 < hlavender> e n a b l e . m a c r o s
14:30 < estranger> hlavender: I was about to object, then realized I do use PowerPoint for everything
14:30 < asimon> I wish we could do latex
14:30 < asimon> lots of pushback when I tried to bring it up though
14:30 < hlavender> do people actually use latex
14:30 < estranger> PowerPoint, a whiteboard, and my good looks
14:31 < plop> and a laser pointer
14:31 < asimon> hlavender: yes. Mostly in the scientific and academic world though
14:31 < estranger> I do have a laser pointer
14:31 < estranger> I don't use it much tbh
14:31 < asimon> Its real advantage is the advanced typesetting that you can do and its handling of mathematical expressions
14:31 < estranger> I wave my arms around a lot
14:31 < asimon> Much more powerful than word
14:31 < asimon> But its a lot of upfront investment and difficult to get used to
14:32 < estranger> I'm on another Oracle knock out mission this morning.. will require expert level arm waving
14:33 < Nightcinder> if we buy stuff from switzerland we don't need to follow GPDR right, since we don't have actual customers in the EU
14:34 < estranger> Do you have servers in Europe? Do you store eu user info? Gdpr is required of you say yes to both
14:35 < asimon> Oh fuck I think I have to do that
14:35 < Nightcinder> we don't have european servers, we simply buy some cheese from the swiss and deal with a few swiss vendors
14:35 < estranger> Dude big fines go into effect
14:35 < asimon> Yeah I think if you collect any sort of info on any EU citizen then you have to comply
14:35 < estranger> Nightcinder: you're good to go
14:35 < Nightcinder> ok
14:35 < Nightcinder> my boss was talking about switzerland and i was like 'wait..'
14:36 < estranger> Gdpr is a pain esp for giant multi nationals
14:36 < hlavender> HEY READ OUR PRIVACY POLICY
14:36 < Nightcinder> i think giant multinationals are mostly moving their servers to the US
14:37 <@Code_Man65> Nightcinder:  What's the best thing about Switzerland?
14:37 < estranger> Nightcinder: that's hilarious
14:37 <@Code_Man65> Their flags a big plus
14:37 < estranger> Ha
14:37 < Nightcinder> we fly a swiss flag outside our building Code_Man65
14:37 < hlavender> a swatch logo
14:38 <@Code_Man65> Oh, interesting fact time.  The Mercedez Benz USA headquarters is actually considered german soil (My dad was the AMG tech for a local Benze dealership and got to go visit)
14:39 < hlavender> mercedez are a joke in the US
14:39 < hlavender> that whole no import law
14:39 < hlavender> what a joke
14:40 < estranger> I don't think a block of Atlanta is considered German soil
14:40 <@Code_Man65> It is estranger
14:40 < SynMonger> is it a consulate or something?
14:40 <@Code_Man65> I don't know the exact details
14:42 < estranger> I'd google but I'm mobile so I cbf, but I'm skeptical none the less
14:42  * SynMonger shrugs
14:42 <@Code_Man65> Understandable estranger
14:43 < estranger> I'd be ok if I'm wrong, would just be an event worth marking on all our calendars
14:43 <@Code_Man65> heh
14:45 < SynMonger> back when I lived in alabama I recall the opening of the mercedes plant there being a big deal because "JERBS!"
14:46 < corn266> mornin all
14:49 < Astr0_Belt> Yay for walking into the office today and the internet being out. Rebooted the Cisco ASA, nothing. Checked the DCs, was able to ping everything but interwebs, consoled into the ASA, overlapping IP addresses on WAN. ISP fucked up.
14:50 < plop> lol
14:50 <@JollyRgrs> Astr0_Belt: whoah, how are you able to irc even?
14:50 <@JollyRgrs> magic?
14:50 < Astr0_Belt> Sat on the phone for 25 minutes on hold. 1 minute before they answered, it was working again. Apparently they had a router config issue.
14:50 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, it's way too early to actually fix any issues you ran into already
14:51 < estranger> One of Dem fanzy smert phones mebe
14:51 <@JollyRgrs> not with the IP he joined with
14:51 < Astr0_Belt> What a great day so far. Hahaha.
14:52 < estranger> JollyRgrs: are you some kind of hacker???
14:52 < SynMonger> it's that hacker 4chan at it again
14:52 < Astr0_Belt> Who is this "4 CHAN" ?
14:53 < hlavender> he comes from the dark interweb
14:53 < plop> a series of tubes
14:53 < hlavender> if you say his name 3 times into a mirror your wifi enabled fridge will be ddosed
14:53 < chesshire> Hello hello, morning everyboyd
14:53 < chesshire> ...
14:54 < corn266> First thing getting into the office this morning "corn266 you're going to lockheed martin today" fuuuuuuuuuck
14:54 < Astr0_Belt> Rip
14:54 < asimon> gg you
14:54 < corn266> inb4 tested as munition
14:55 < SynMonger> ha
14:55 <@Code_Man65> corn266:  You should ask for a flight in something Supersonic
14:56 < SynMonger> We've got lockheed, general dynamics, aerojet and a few others across the street. Lots of random munitions and rocket motor tests
14:56 < corn266> I will after hounding our contacts for information because they won't answer a fucking email
14:56 < corn266> Hey SynMonger I'll come visit you
14:56 < SynMonger> if you like the middle of nowhere, come on out
14:57 <@Code_Man65> I can only imagine the difference in security controls in a place like lockheed for commercial vs military projects
14:57  * SynMonger shrugs
14:57 < estranger> Heh
14:58 < SynMonger> lockheed built out a warehouse across the street as the new factory for their humvee replacement bid, security wasn't anything beyond what they had already
15:00 < Prodigal-Timmy> I need some help with vocab: I need to refer to c:\path\path\patgh01\shared\ and not J:\shared
15:00 < estranger> Building known Jeep's for the military is one thing.. the skunkworks stuff is another
15:00 < Prodigal-Timmy> the full path name is a 'logical path' right?
15:00 < Astr0_Belt> si
15:01 < Prodigal-Timmy> ty
15:02 < estranger> Maybe it's my dba dna showing but that looks like a physical path to me
15:03 < estranger> The c: is physical, the j: is logical... No?
15:03 < Astr0_Belt> actually you may be right.
15:03 < estranger> Physical is where the data lives
15:03 < estranger> Logical points to where the data lives
15:03 < Astr0_Belt> im probably wrong. brain hurts after the fuckery I dealt with for the last 2 hours.
15:04 < Astr0_Belt> You sound right.
15:04 < estranger> Sometimes :)
15:05 < estranger> Prodigal-Timmy: hope you didn't send that email yet :)
15:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> lol
15:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> I did, but whatever
15:05 < estranger> Lol
15:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> that vendor is a frump anyway
15:05 < Astr0_Belt> Shit my bad timmy.
15:05 < Prodigal-Timmy> don't worry about it, I should own my own basic vocab errors ;p
15:06 < Prodigal-Timmy> they'll know what I mean
15:06 < estranger> But the guy on IRC said.... !
15:07 < Prodigal-Timmy> haha, honestly if more of my coworkers used IRC
15:08 < Prodigal-Timmy> I probably would have a lot less work on my plate
15:08 < Nightcinder> acer made an i5 chromebook
15:08 < Nightcinder> but
15:08 < Nightcinder> why
15:08 < Prodigal-Timmy> I learned a lot in here
15:08 < Prodigal-Timmy> good god I used to hate chromebooks
15:08 < Prodigal-Timmy> then after 5th time of my mom asking for IT help
15:08 < Prodigal-Timmy> well, chromebooked her. Never going back.
15:09 < Prodigal-Timmy> replaced her samsung tablet with an amazon fire - beautiful
15:09 < estranger> They are great for the right uses
15:09 < estranger> Like mom's
15:09 < Prodigal-Timmy> honestly, and believe it or not - you can do a lot with a fire tablet if you have a mind to
15:09 < corn266> Code_Man65: it's pretty basic security afaik; lock the doors w/magnetic locks, only allow visitors a one day pass, air gap your secure systems, etc.
15:11 < Nightcinder> i just don't understand why put an i5 in a chromebook
15:11 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/acer-pushes-chromebooks-for-business-with-new-core-i5-powered-convertible/
15:11 < corn266> candy crush
15:11 < plop> is acer still eeeew?
15:11 < Nightcinder> not all acer anymore
15:11 < goofie> so when you dual boot with linux you aren't stuck with an atom processor
15:12 < Nightcinder> but some is still bad
15:12 < estranger> Intense HTML 5
15:12 < Nightcinder> their high end monitors and low end laptops are an avoid plop
15:12 < plop> Nightcinder, i see
15:12 < Nightcinder> acer and asus have no QC on their high end monitors
15:12 < plop> Nightcinder, benq is aiming at nice high end low price monitors. that is still acer, right?
15:13 < Nightcinder> acer high end monitors you might have to return a few times
15:13 < plop> Nightcinder, alright
15:15 < ihre> i have an acer chromebook, actually very happy with it :p
15:15 < ihre> especially considering the price
15:15 < plop> ihre, cool
15:16 < corn266> I think I have a 27" Asus or Acer monitor at home and it's been chugging along for 8-10 years now
15:19 < corn266> welcome abakedapplepie if it's your first time here please install pfsense to speak
15:19 < Nightcinder> i do want to buy one of those tablet chromebooks
15:19 < Nightcinder> that are detachable
15:19 < Nightcinder> would be really nice for media controls/smarthome control
15:19 < Nightcinder> much better than my ipad
15:19 < plop> so, 1080 is crap for 27" but 4K is too small and you use the zoom thing and everything not ready for it, looks weird
15:20 < Nightcinder> i like 4k @ 27
15:20 < Nightcinder> 1440 @ 24
15:20 < corn266> you don't really appreciate the size of a 27" till you move it and it's actually a small TV
15:20 < plop> 2160 is 4k
15:21 < Nightcinder> i got rid of my 27 for a 35
15:21 < Nightcinder> want to go back to 27 4k
15:21 < corn266> 35 one monitor or more?
15:21 < Nightcinder> one
15:22 < corn266> sounds like you gave up potential for a 4x27" layout
15:22 < Nightcinder> i don't have that kind of money
15:23 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:23 < abakedapplepie> i will not
15:24 < hlavender> i have 4k @ 28
15:24 < hlavender> its nice
15:25 < ihre> 4k on 13" sucks :p
15:26 < int0x1C8> you guys on win10?
15:26 < Jekotia> int0x1C8: Unfortunately.
15:27 < int0x1C8> how do you deal with application scaling?
15:27 < asimon> int0x1C8: As in display scaling?
15:27 < int0x1C8> yes
15:27 < asimon> What about it
15:27 < int0x1C8> we have a terrible time with display scaling issues on our surfaces
15:28 < Jekotia> int0x1C8: I bought my own last year. There is no easy fix
15:28 < Jekotia> It's down to the applications for the most part
15:28 < int0x1C8> yeah that's what I keep telling them
15:28 < int0x1C8> ;/
15:28 < hlavender> easiest way to deal with display scaling
15:29 < hlavender> is to not use windows
15:29 < hlavender> it never works for certain things
15:29 < Nightcinder> i have 4k @ 15"
15:29 < hlavender> i had 4k @ 15
15:29 < Nightcinder> display scaling isn't really a microsoft issue
15:29 < Nightcinder> it's an app issue
15:29 < hlavender> true
15:29 < Nightcinder> developers are lazy
15:29 <@Code_Man65> Yep, Win 10 itself scales fine
15:29 < Nightcinder> 'no one will ever use high dpi'
15:30 < Nightcinder> it's funny because a lot of laptops ship @ 125% on 1080 @ 15
15:30 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: To be fair, it wasn't an issue that needed consideration until it rather abruptly was
15:30 < Nightcinder> Jekotia: yeah but it's been an issue for multiple years
15:30 < Nightcinder> most good apps are updated, but there's always plenty that aren't
15:31 < ihre> i just scale down to 2048x1152 with a dpi of 96, otherwise its unusable @ 13" imo ;p
15:31 < Jekotia> I have a PC on my bench with front panel USB 3.0 but no rear USB 3.0
15:31 < Jekotia> What kind of monster does this?
15:31 < Nightcinder> my laptop is at 150%
15:31 < Nightcinder> i think
15:31 < Nightcinder> 175
15:32 < Nightcinder> not sure what 175% scaling translates to
15:32 < Jekotia> int0x1C8: My only surface complaint is that a good dualboot seems to be impossible
15:32 < Jekotia> The networking shits itself, every god damn time, under linux
15:33 < hlavender> surfaces and linux is baaaaad
15:33 < hlavender> older ones seemed to work
15:33 < hlavender> new ones are a nightmare
15:34 < Jekotia> I wish that weren't the case. I'd drop $2k on a good surface-like system that can dualboot windows and linux
15:36 < Nightcinder> i wouldn't dualboot
15:36 < Nightcinder> i'd just use windows and vmware if i need linux
15:36 < Nightcinder> or WSL
15:36 < ebol4> you can get a nintendo switch, run linux on it, and then run windows 98 in a vm
15:37 < Casteil> how does Hyper-V handle linux?
15:37 < Casteil> (I've never tried it)
15:39 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: That's what I do now. The problem is performance
15:42 < Jekotia> As a student/home user, I hated dell
15:42 < Jekotia> As a sysadmin, I'm gaining a new appreciation for them
15:43 < SynMonger> yeah, the consumer/small business side is awful to deal with
15:43 < ebol4> they do have a nice logo
15:43 < Jekotia> I love that I can pull a drive from a system and use it in what /seems/ to be a drastically different system
15:43 < ebol4> is that not allowed in other systems
15:44 < Jekotia> They keep things similar enough that it turns a WIndows HDD into a plug-and-play device
15:44 < Jekotia> ebol4: It is, but the issue is drivers
15:44 < ebol4> ohhhh okay
15:44 < Jekotia> If you pull a drive from a MSI system built 3 years ago and stick it in an EVGA system from this year
15:44 < Jekotia> it will NOT boot
15:45 < Jekotia> I have a HDD from a Dell from 4 or 5 years ago and it boots fine in (last years?) Skylake system from them
15:47 < Nightcinder> Casteil: fine
15:47 < abakedapplepie> err ehh umm
15:47 < abakedapplepie> i pull hdds all the time from system to system
15:47 < abakedapplepie> since windows 7
15:47 < abakedapplepie> they always boot
15:48 < abakedapplepie> unless theres some REALLY ODDBALL HARDWARE
15:48 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Really? What hardware? MB is the main thing
15:48 < abakedapplepie> ive even booted a win7 machine installed on amd to a intel mobo
15:48 < int0x1C8> yeah I'm not surprised surfaces and linux don't mix
15:48 < Jekotia> I've had no luck doing that outside of Dell <==> Dell
15:48 < SynMonger> if I get one that bluescreens I run a .reg that enables generic storage drivers, install updated drivers and go on
15:48 < abakedapplepie> ive booted across vast differences in motherboard
15:48 < int0x1C8> MS has problems enough with compatible drivers for win10
15:48 < abakedapplepie> i have used windows 7 hard drives as pnp devices for years
15:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> i thought with UEFI there was an issue with swapping hdd;s
15:48 < Jekotia> :o
15:48 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: TEACH ME SENSEI
15:48 < asimon> Has anyone had issues with wireless projection on win10
15:49  * Jekotia bows
15:49 < hlavender> sysprep every time you use it
15:49 < abakedapplepie> there is nothing to teach lol it just has always worked for me
15:49 < abakedapplepie> every time
15:49 < asimon> I'm getting the very helpful error message "Couldn't connect"
15:49 < abakedapplepie> sometimes it takes 20 minutes to boot
15:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> asimon: is the cable plugged in?
15:49 < asimon> and the google rabbit holes don't seem to actually have any solutions aside from reinstalling drivers
15:49 < abakedapplepie> just make sure it has network access, typically LAN drivers are built in
15:49 < asimon> LegalDrokz|PI: No, that's the whole point :P
15:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> hehe i joke
15:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> does the device your trying to connect to support windows 10 wireless projection?
15:50 < asimon> Yeah. It's only on a few machines though. My computer connects to it fine
15:50 < asimon> But of course the principal officer who was most excited about the feature is having this issue
15:52 < LegalDrokz|PI> firewall enabled?
15:52 < asimon> That's something I haven't checked yet
15:52 < asimon> good idea
15:52 < LegalDrokz|PI> change in (group) policies between your client and principal?
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> *difference
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> i have this issue
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> about doing work
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> big task, so i spend some time on preparing and structuring
15:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> then when done with that, i feel like im done, but i actually have to start
15:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> but motivation lacks
15:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> i should just plan a few hours a day and stick to it
15:59 < syere> I wonder that if at times, the loudest or, im gonna say most opinionated people, over on /r/sysadmin, are really admins at all, or maybe have just started. Their attitudes are horrible.
16:00 < Nightcinder> i would think just started sysadmins would be more chipper
16:00 < Nightcinder> and 'lets fix it'
16:00 < Nightcinder> and the older ones would be jaded
16:00 < Nightcinder> and then you have people like me who are newer and already half jaded
16:01 < syere> This one dude is trying to rail me and another poster for for telling a kid to build a home lab and have fun with it since he doesn't have much experience.
16:01 < F34RInc> Nightcinder, goood good, let the hate flow through you
16:01 < Nightcinder> my hate is dedicated to the CSR's and HR
16:01 < Jekotia> hlavender: Can't sysprep because of a broken miracast app microsoft forced into the system :/
16:01 < F34RInc> dont forget sales
16:01 < abakedapplepie> syere: r/sysadmin is cancer
16:01 < Nightcinder> our sales leave me alone most of the time F34RInc
16:02 < abakedapplepie> syere: 90% of the rants/attaboys/this is happening help me posts are literally just people either doing their jobs or not doing their jobs, nothing more
16:02 < abakedapplepie> "LOL I BROKE PRODUCTION COMPLETELY BUT THANK GOD MY BACKUPS WORK, CANT BELIEVE IT! NEVER EVEN TESTED THEM!"
16:02 < syere> It certainly isnt the subreddit I remember it as
16:02 < abakedapplepie> r/sysadmin in a nutshell
16:02 < AnimalFarmPig> TURNED OUT IT WAS DNS!
16:02 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ you dropped that
16:03 < technonerd> it can be dns
16:03 < technonerd> cant
16:03 < abakedapplepie> or the posts about wah wah my boss wont let me do this thing
16:03 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: I started chipper and lets fix things. Then I was met with the reality of "I'm not going to give you the budget to do this properly"
16:03 < syere> speaking of breaking production, this new Jr took down a rack the other day. I've never seen someone so terrified in my life. I couldn't help but laugh for a second and remember being in that position
16:03 < Nightcinder> Jekotia: well i have the budget
16:03 < Nightcinder> just not the manpower
16:03 < abakedapplepie> the first time is the worst time
16:03 < ebol4> there's nothing like the feeling of singlehandedly bringing a business to its knees for 10 minutes
16:03 < Jekotia> So instead of having a budget for a proper Windows Server domain, I get to run around fixing whichever of 300 imaged PC's is fucking up
16:04 < syere> ebol4: exactly
16:04 < abakedapplepie> my green fuckup was factory defaulting the production router, forgot wifi was enabled on that laptop. oops.
16:04 < r00t^2> shot in the dark here, anyone know the max length of the GECOS field for *nix systems?
16:04 < abakedapplepie> had everything back up in a half hour tho
16:04 < abakedapplepie> that was a great day
16:04 < hlavender> sysadmin is 99% level 1 techs
16:04 < abakedapplepie> yeah
16:04 < r00t^2> shot in the dark here, anyone know the max length of the GECOS field for *nix systems?
16:04 < hlavender> that start threads
16:04 < abakedapplepie> p much
16:04 < Nightcinder> my green fuckup was shutting the exchange server down midday
16:04 < Nightcinder> via power button on the server
16:04 < hlavender> then get slammed by people that actually sysadmin
16:04 < Jekotia> r00t^2: Spam won't help.
16:05 < r00t^2> sorry, irc client's freaking out
16:05 < Jekotia> Ah
16:05 < r00t^2> though i doubt sending it twice qualifies as "spam"
16:05 < Jekotia> Twice within the same minute is spam in an IRC context
16:05 < Nightcinder> ur spam
16:05 < Nightcinder> ur spam
16:05 < abakedapplepie> NO U R
16:06 < ebol4> Jekotia: god, i hated not having AD in an environment with 20 PCs. I can't imagine over 100
16:06 < ebol4> that's ridic
16:06 < abakedapplepie> NO U R
16:06 < Jekotia> r00t^2: Go the fun way. Make a script that creates users with increasingly long GECOS values, and see when it returns an error
16:06 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:06 < hxcsp> I was on the phone the other day discussing a security product.  It integrated with AD, and the guy said that we probably didnt have AD since we were a small company
16:07 < hxcsp> easily have 75+ users
16:07 < Jekotia> Just realised I mis-spoke. We don't have 300 PC's. 300 employees. Maybe 150 PC's
16:07 < SynMonger> yeah, you do local accounts on 75 employee machines alright
16:07 < ebol4> that's still absurd
16:07 < r00t^2> hrm. well, i'd imagine that'd let me find out the max length for gecos supported by my glibc/shadow-utils/libuser i have installed, but i was hoping it'd be in POSIX spec. can't seem to find it, though
16:07 < hxcsp> SynMonger: of course. all by hand. in 14 locations
16:08 < Jekotia> The lack of AD isn't even the worst part TBH
16:08 < ebol4> if you've got more than 10 people, you should have AD imo
16:08 < Jekotia> It's the fact that I now have to lead with "How long has this been happening" every time I help someone
16:08 < abakedapplepie> christ, get a samba dc going if windows ad isnt in the budget
16:08 < abakedapplepie> thats cray cray
16:08 < ebol4> abakedapplepie: the problem at my last place was that all the employees also had windows home premium
16:08 < ebol4> so you can't join a domain
16:08 < abakedapplepie> lolol
16:08 < hlavender> wait you have 75 users
16:08 < hlavender> and no AD?
16:08 < hxcsp> abakedapplepie: but then you have to pay someone more than $9/hr
16:09 < abakedapplepie> "how can we save $40/head and also shoot ourselves in the foot"
16:09 < hlavender> IT investment at an all time world record low?
16:09 < abakedapplepie> smh
16:09 < Jekotia> Because I'm the new IT person, they tend to think "hey, maybe he can figure out this old ass problem of mine". And then they pitch it as if it's this sudden, urgent thing and everything was working prior to 5 minutes ago
16:09 < hxcsp> hlavender: no, i do have ad. the guy demoing the product assumed we didnt because we only had 75 users
16:09 < hlavender> LOL WTF
16:09 < hlavender> what a weird assumption
16:09 < Jekotia> And then I waste an hour on it only to find out it's old and not that important
16:09 < Jekotia> >_>
16:09 < Jekotia> I
16:09 < abakedapplepie> Jekotia: thats my life every day
16:09 < Jekotia> HATE
16:09 < Jekotia> USERS
16:10 < hlavender> you are a user too
16:10 < hlavender> Jekotia:
16:10 < abakedapplepie> i had a client send me poor print quality thermal transfer labels looking for help, i was there on friday and labels printed totally fine
16:10 < hlavender> what do you think people you ring for support think
16:10 < hlavender> OMG fukkin user
16:10 < abakedapplepie> she says all label printers across all sites have been doing it fro over a month
16:10 < hlavender> vendors etc
16:10 < Jekotia> There's maybe 20 people in this entire building that respect my time and provide me with the info I ask for
16:10 < abakedapplepie> like uhhhh, no way lady
16:10 < Jekotia> (out of 300 people)
16:10 < SynMonger> I get things like "hey, when is that project I asked about 6 months ago but never put a work order in for going to be done?"
16:11 < Jekotia> People are also allergic to emailing me apparently. No matter how much I emphasise that I'D LOVE TO HAVE AN EMAIL FOR REFERENCE SO I CAN EASILY SEE WHAT WORK NEEDS TO BE DONE
16:12 < hxcsp> i will stop people mid sentence and tell them to email me
16:12 < SynMonger> email... easily see... w0t?
16:12 < rootsudo> son of a bitch
16:12 < Jekotia> I can't remember all of your problems when I'm walking through the building on my way to fix something else
16:12 < Jekotia> STAHP
16:12 < rootsudo> I take up a onsite office 365/shrepoint admin role
16:12 < abakedapplepie> oh rip
16:12 < abakedapplepie> my coworkers wheel fell off
16:12 < rootsudo> I just aced a remote job
16:12 < rootsudo> interview
16:12 < rootsudo> fuck my life
16:12 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Made me think of someone losing sudo
16:13 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:13 < rootsudo> Jekotia take that back
16:13 < AnimalFarmPig> rootsudo: congrats?
16:13 < abakedapplepie> steering knuckle snapped right off
16:13 < abakedapplepie> poor guy
16:13 < abakedapplepie> at least its in a parking lot
16:13 < rootsudo> AnimalFarmPig no cause now what do I do
16:13 < rootsudo> do I work both jobs at the same time
16:13 < Jekotia> Make a pros and cons list for both
16:13 < AnimalFarmPig> rootsudo: does the remote job pay enough for you to quit current job?
16:13 < abakedapplepie> rootsudo: lol wat
16:13 < rootsudo> btw, if anyone wants a $30-40/hr job just become a sharepoint admin
16:13 < ebol4> but then you're a sharepoint admin
16:14 < SynMonger> i'd rather die
16:14 < rootsudo> AnimalFarmPig yep 60k/yr remote, while office is 66k/yr
16:14 < Jekotia> Also give significant consideration to your workspace
16:14 < rootsudo> ebol4 funny enough, the expectations are so low, if you know some CSS and can read sharepoint for dummies you're hired
16:14 < AnimalFarmPig> rootsudo: take remote job. Move to Mexico. ?????????. Profit.
16:14 < Jekotia> drive swap time, upgrading to a newer system, be back in 10
16:14 < joeym26> that sounds great until you realize you have to work with SharePoint every day
16:14 < rootsudo> AnimalFarmPig nope, THAILAND BITCHES
16:14 < rootsudo> joeym26 sharepoint isn't that had
16:14 < rootsudo> it's just a deadend job
16:14 < AnimalFarmPig> rootsudo: meh, you do you
16:14 < rootsudo> but a deadend 70-120k/yr job isn't bad
16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
16:15 < rootsudo> no one else in IT will touch SP
16:15 < rootsudo> so you can make up shit
16:15 < GreyKite> rootsudo: you still hopping around southeast asia
16:15 < LegalDrokz|PI> it is if the cost of living is high
16:15 < rootsudo> "avoided ten viruses today"
16:15 < SynMonger> hahaha
16:15 < rootsudo> LegalDrokz|PI if you live somewhere where 80k/yr is unlivable, you need greener pastures
16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, that's one way to look at it
16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> re: nobody will touch sharepoint
16:15 < ebol4> i don't think there is anywhere in the world where you can't live on 80k
16:15 < GreyKite> so what you are saying is, fuck cali?
16:16 < LegalDrokz|PI> ebol4 san francisco?
16:16 < ebol4> you'd have a long commute in SF
16:16 < GreyKite> yeah, that's damn near poverty line in SF
16:16 < rootsudo> "modified site library source code and header to better reflect marketing goals"
16:16 < rootsudo> well, fuck San Francisco
16:16 < rootsudo> What's the point of living there
16:16 < felda> cryptic1 I heard you canceled our peace talks
16:16  * rootsudo has never been
16:16 <@JollyRgrs> you can walk by the full house house every day?
16:17 <@JollyRgrs> weather is nice
16:17 < AnimalFarmPig> some people like the smell of piss
16:17 < SynMonger> felda: peace is a lie
16:17 <@JollyRgrs> all matresses come with free massagers... but quirky, they turn on randomly only sometimes
16:18 < rootsudo> so yeah
16:18 < AnimalFarmPig> SF is too cold, imo. I remember being there for the 4th of July and needing to wear a light jacket.
16:18 < int0x1C8> SF too cold?
16:18 < ekaj> fkin vmware tools
16:18 < ekaj> s/quirky/kinky
16:19 < AnimalFarmPig> Too cold. 20 C is not an acceptable temperature for the summer.
16:19 < int0x1C8> I live in wisconsin, anything over 80F and I'm sweating like fuck
16:19 < int0x1C8> I prefer 55-65
16:20 < Astr0_Belt> ekaj: right? Im having all sorts of VMWare issues today.
16:20 < LegalDrokz|PI> we are getting 30-32 C this weekend
16:20 < LegalDrokz|PI> normal temp is 18 C
16:20 < LegalDrokz|PI> it's not right
16:20 < LegalDrokz|PI> but it's okay
16:20 < ekaj> mine is just installing vmware tools, idk why it's being difficult. SA probablu made a security change idk about
16:20 < SynMonger> anything over 80F here (southern arkansas) is uncomfortable to me due to the humidity
16:21 < int0x1C8> speaking of which I'm still looking for a fucking phone app that displays C and F next to each other
16:21 < int0x1C8> so I can get an intuitive idea for C
16:21 < khelpw> I grew up in FL, so 90F (~32-33C IIRC) and 99% humidity is the norm
16:21 < AnimalFarmPig> forecast calls for 105 (40 C) here next week
16:21 < int0x1C8> right now I just have 2 weather apps with one set to C
16:21 < khelpw> ^that's still fine.
16:21 < AnimalFarmPig> <3 Texas summers
16:22 < abakedapplepie> c to f is easy
16:22 < abakedapplepie> subtract 32, divide by 2
16:22 < SynMonger> khelpw: yeah, it's swamp-like here, nasty. I used to live in Dallas and could handle the 100F summers no problem
16:22 < abakedapplepie> er other way around
16:22 < LegalDrokz|PI> T(°F) = T(°C) × 9/5 + 32
16:22 < ekaj> there's some 9/5 fuckery in there somewhere
16:22 < abakedapplepie> 1/2 or 2 is close enough
16:22 < abakedapplepie> to 5/9 or 9/5
16:22 < int0x1C8> I know how to compute it, duh
16:22 < AnimalFarmPig> I just memorize the 10 degree increments-- 0 C = 32, 10 C = 50, 20 C =  68, 30 C = 86, 40 C = 104
16:22 < abakedapplepie> youll have like a degree difference
16:23 < LegalDrokz|PI> T(°C) = (T(°F) - 32) × 5/9
16:23 < ebol4> doesn't the +-32 come after the multiplication
16:23 < rhqq> no
16:23 < LegalDrokz|PI> intuitive as fuck
16:23 < rhqq> its messed up, because fuck sanity
16:23 < ebol4> oh it does going from C -> F
16:23 < rhqq> yea, not K
16:23 < ebol4> but not from f -> c
16:24 < rhqq> ebol4: that doesnt change shit :PPP
16:24 < ebol4> my mn
16:24 < dragonfleas> exchange server is down again
16:24 < ebol4> f = c * 9/5 + 32
16:24 < ebol4> c = (f - 32) * 5/9
16:24 < abakedapplepie> its almost like one is the opposite of the other
16:24 < abakedapplepie> or something
16:24 < khelpw> C = "google xF to C"
16:24 < abakedapplepie> :P
16:25 < int0x1C8> that's why I want an app that displays the temperature in both C and F
16:25 < LegalDrokz|PI> good reason imho
16:25 < int0x1C8> so you can internalize the scales
16:25 < ebol4> reminds me of my last place, where the last sysadmin had set the router temperature graphs in nagios to automatically convert from C to F, but he used the wrong formula, so we were dispatching people all the time to check on the A/C and shit for no reason
16:25 < enix> WHATS UP AMERICAN CREWSKI
16:26 < SynMonger> for weather I use F, for computer temps I use C
16:26 < enix> SynMonger: that just sounds chaotic
16:26 < enix> Where I'm from, we just used standard units of measurement
16:26 < dragonfleas> .seen AnonymooseReddtr
16:27 < AnimalFarmPig> wait, do people actually use F for measuring temperature of computer stuff?
16:28 < ebol4> you do when you're a moron
16:28 < SynMonger> hardly, it's not like I'm reading a weather report AND looking over server performance to compare the two
16:28 < chesshire> My brother asked me about GPU temps in F the other day, but didn't tell me. He said he was running at 140-160 and I was like "HOLY SHIT THAT IS BAD!!"
16:28 < chesshire> I assumed he was talking Celsius...
16:28 < ebol4> anything over 100 and i automatically assume F
16:29 < torquellini> penis
16:29 < enix> chesshire: that's "pull the power out the back" territory
16:29 < SynMonger> agreed
16:30 < dragonfleas> wow
16:30 < dragonfleas> so we ran out of space on our exchange database
16:30 < chesshire> enix yeah for sure, I had to clarify and the edjumucate him on protocol
16:30 < enix> chesshire: If memory serves correctly, I believe we got our GPU's to 99degC before panick struck and we sped into the warehouse to turn everything off
16:30 < dragonfleas> all we had to do was enable circular logging
16:30 < int0x1C8> dragonfleas, lol gg
16:30 < enix> Alright, 2006 is over and my itunes library is updated/music transferred to iphone
16:31 < LegalDrokz|PI> so it's 2007?
16:31 < dragonfleas> my boss "who is not in IT" figured that out
16:31 < dragonfleas> i need a training course on exchange
16:31 < enix> Time for sleep. Night ya'll. Keep the channel warm for when us aussies start our shift!
16:31 < ekaj> go away
16:32 < ebol4> torquellini: is this 500 days of summer
16:32 < ebol4> i will be zooey
16:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> i;ve worked with exchange 2003
16:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> it was aight
16:32 < torquellini> but ebol4 you're *actually* cute
16:33 < ebol4> shoot u right
16:36 < plop> torquellini, are you ravioli's alter ego?
16:36 < Bru-> hmm
16:36 < torquellini> I am not
16:36 < asimon> dragonfleas: How much space were your logs taking up if that was the issue?
16:36 < plop> just wondering
16:36 < torquellini> I am a new, stronger pasta
16:36 < plop> awesome
16:36 < plop> exchange logs are crazy
16:36 < hlavender> TATA make me want to hang myself
16:36 < torquellini> s/crazy/stupid and useless
16:37 < torquellini> hlavender: boobs have that effect
16:37 < hlavender> why does changing one IP address require 40 people from your firewall team, 19 ITIL processes and 15 managers on a skype call
16:37 < hlavender> just fucking do it
16:37 < torquellini> what...what is this IP address for?
16:37 < plop> hlavender, because someone had their ISP wan adress duped this morning.
16:37 < hlavender> just a public IP for an IPSeC tunnel
16:38 < ebol4> why do they have 40 people on a firewall team
16:38 < Astr0_Belt> hlavender you from the north east?
16:38 < Astr0_Belt> because i had the same issue.
16:38 < hlavender> from england
16:38 < Astr0_Belt> nevermind.
16:38 < Astr0_Belt> hahaha.
16:38 < hlavender> they are useless.....
16:38 < ebol4> england is north east of some places
16:38 < khelpw> I mean, could be the north east of england?
16:38 < hlavender> if you want to repeat yourself 15 times on a call, because they don't understand anything
16:38 < hlavender> then go with tata
16:38 < hlavender> south west of england
16:38 < hlavender> sadly
16:39 < khelpw> Nah, that's good. It puts you near to Belgium.
16:39 < ihre> you could try doing it agile: add to the backlog, ignore for 2 weeks, have your PMs discuss it, add to a sprint, remove from a sprint, change to different epic, meet again, find out they made a typo in between and discussed the wrong ip for atleast one week, play some agile poker, meet on the results, meet on the results of the previous meeting
16:39 < dragonfleas> asimon, 300 gig
16:39 < torquellini> khelpw: bruh do you even geography
16:40 < ebol4> ihre: this guy scrums
16:40 < dragonfleas> tried backing it up with NTbackup but it only truncated like 5 gigs and then instantly filled up
16:40 < khelpw> torquellini do _you_? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/r7MrRdmc/image.png
16:40 < Code_Man65> dragonfleas:  Turn on circular logging temporarily
16:40 < torquellini> that's south east of england
16:40 < torquellini> not south west
16:40 < ihre> ebol4: instead of failing fast and often, we never fail because nothing happens :3
16:40 < khelpw> Still, SW is close
16:40 < torquellini> BOI
16:41 < torquellini> IT'S THE COMPLETE WRONG DIRECTION
16:41 < dragonfleas> Code_Man65, yeah it's temporary, I have full backups running every weekend
16:41 < khelpw> didn't continue to drag, but it's all relatively close. Nobody wants to be associated with being close to france.
16:41 < khelpw> and deffo not ireland.
16:41 < hlavender> ihre: i actually hate agile
16:41 < khelpw> Netherland is a bunch of pot stoners
16:41 < hlavender> because it has such stupid names
16:41 < khelpw> so...belgium.
16:41 < ebol4> yeah i hate all this new age IT bullshit
16:41 < hlavender> SPRINTING
16:42 < hlavender> gonna do a skip, into a hop, then a meeting and then a jump
16:42 < ihre> hlavender: wanna play some scrum poker? lets schedule a meet and have your squad join
16:42 < Jekotia> jesus, so much for 10 minutes
16:42 < torquellini> Jekotia: that's what she said
16:42 < ihre> ill add the epic to jira in the mean time, and notify my stakeholders
16:42 < hlavender> ihre: sounds great, meet me in the bunnyhop room
16:42 < Jekotia> Took me nearly 30, forgot to account for cabling changes
16:43 < hlavender> please remember to update JIRA
16:43 < hlavender> or you're fired
16:43 < int0x1C8> USER STORIES
16:43 < ihre> hlavender: i've added you as reporter, you should get a slack message asap
16:43 < torquellini> what are all these made up words
16:43 < int0x1C8> scrumlord
16:43 < Jekotia> torquellini: Not made up, sadly
16:43 < torquellini> fucking devs
16:44 < hlavender> ihre: didnt you get the IM? we use teams on thursdays, slack is for mondays and fridays
16:44 < SynMonger> it makes you sound professional and like you're doing work
16:44 < hlavender> skype for business on tuesdays and wednesdays
16:44 < torquellini> https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnBfgqbeyCciICI/giphy.gif
16:44 < hlavender> here's a hilarious gif being sent by 50 year old kathy from HR
16:44 < hlavender> torquellini: spooky
16:45 < ihre> https://i.imgur.com/g5lUDQG.png
16:45 < cantibot> MAN WE REALLY OUT HERE!
16:45 < cantibot> CATCHIN BODIES!
16:45 < Jekotia> hlavender: For a brief moment I thought we worked at the same company, then I remembered our kathy is in shipping not HR
16:45 < ihre> ITS GONNA BE BEAUTIFUL
16:45 < ihre> oh wait
16:45 < hlavender> can we wait up?
16:45 < int0x1C8> we have a kathy in inventory control
16:45 < cantibot> popped a zannie, now I am sleepy
16:45 < hlavender> too much sprinting, im out of breath
16:45 < hlavender> im not the man i used to be
16:46 < hlavender> lets go back to waterfall, that way gravity does all the work
16:46 < int0x1C8> xanny bars, xanny bars
16:46 < cantibot> im on them zannie bars
16:46 < cantibot> my weed is MEDICAL
16:46 < SynMonger> don't go chasin waterfalls
16:46 < Jekotia> Windows 10 doesn't care that it changed hardware... but Office 2016 does. WTF? xD
16:46 < int0x1C8> office is a slut
16:46 < cantibot> did you check your tcp/ip settings?
16:46 < SynMonger> they don't care if you pirate 10, but don't steal the moneymaker
16:47 < ihre> wait, did i said meet? i mean sync of course
16:49 < int0x1C8> cantibot u crunked up?
16:49 < cantibot> kid I STAY put up like a cup on the shelf XD
16:50 < cantibot> its a good day not to care
16:50 < cantibot> I am all alone
16:50 < int0x1C8> yeaaaaaaaah boi
16:50 < cantibot> I can be retarded
16:50 < cantibot> :D
16:50 < cantibot> I just want to say, you all are the best.
16:50 < cantibot> Fuck all that's said man.
16:50 < corn266> what, are r/end_users spittin hate at r/sys-admin ?
16:51 < int0x1C8> is you rollin'? is you rollin'? is you rollin'? girl he geeked up! girl he geeked up! girl he geeked up!
16:51 < cantibot> BITCH I MIGHT BE!
16:51 < int0x1C8> BITCH I MIGHT BE
16:51 < cantibot> LMFAO
16:51 < cantibot> I tell people that all the time! XD
16:51 < ebol4> comrade o7
16:51 < cantibot> "Hey cantibot, do you know if you will be able to make it to the meeting later today"
16:51 < cantibot> BITCH I MIGHT BE!
16:52 < int0x1C8> you gotta do the B in bitch like you're just blowing air
16:52 < GreyKite> is that how it goes?
16:52 < cantibot> sigh...just like gu wop intended ;_;
16:53 < ravioli> alright
16:53 < cantibot> ravi :D
16:53 < cantibot> good half-friday to you sir!
16:54 < int0x1C8> my favorite part of that song is at the end when he's clearly on like 4 pills just rambling
16:54 < cantibot> 3 double stacks will do that to a man XD
16:55 < int0x1C8> I just took 3 triple stacks and I'm lookin for dat action!
16:55 < ebol4> lookin for auction
16:55 < ebol4> want to buy art
16:55 < int0x1C8> we been rollin rollin rollin we aint slept in weeks
16:56 < cantibot> "everything was gravy till your bitch came in"
16:56 < cantibot> THAT, I will have on my headstone, trust me.
16:56 < cantibot> THOSE are words to live by.
16:56 < int0x1C8> can't make a hoe a housewife
16:57 < cantibot> They never act right :/
16:57 < cantibot> I heard if they on a mission, usually they on the crack pipe.
16:57 < cantibot> Shame...
16:57 < ihre> right, that reminds me of devin the dude doing a show here soon, should buy tickets
16:59 < ekaj> do domain admin accounts need to be a member of domain users?
16:59 <@Code_Man65> Yes
16:59 < ekaj> thought so lol
16:59 <@Code_Man65> And domain users should not be a member of ANYTHING
17:00 < cantibot> pfff...my users are a memeber of these nuts.
17:00 < int0x1C8> damn that makes me want to rename the domain user group to DEEZ NUTZ
17:00 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: What is a samba dc? samba domain controller?
17:01 < abakedapplepie> yes
17:01 < abakedapplepie> also dont do that
17:01 < Jekotia> <_<
17:01 < abakedapplepie> i was half joking
17:01 < abakedapplepie> but its a viable alternative
17:01 < Jekotia> ASS
17:01 < abakedapplepie> if you hate yourself
17:01 < Jekotia> You got my hopes up
17:01 < Jekotia> </3
17:01 < abakedapplepie> youd be better off finding a server 2003 license in the dumpster
17:02 < JFDkthx> sick day bitches
17:02 < JFDkthx> fuk u McDonaldsWiFi
17:02 < abakedapplepie> ya fuk u McDonaldsWiFi
17:02 < Jekotia> The sad thing is, we almost got a server 2016 licence...
17:02 < abakedapplepie> fuckin guy
17:02 < Jekotia> But then someone found a cheaper alternative for our use case
17:02 < Jekotia> :c
17:02 < abakedapplepie> are you in edu or non profit?
17:02 < abakedapplepie> why the frugality
17:02 < Jekotia> Neither...
17:02 < Jekotia> IDK
17:02 < abakedapplepie> so your bosses just hate efficiency
17:03 < Jekotia> They hate what they see as unnecessary spending
17:03 < abakedapplepie> does not sound like a good environment to be a sysadmin
17:03 < cantibot> Do any of you remember the track slow jamz by jamie foxx Kanye and Twista?
17:03 < Jekotia> It's my first IT job, which I got through word of mouth and a good interview.
17:03 < abakedapplepie> at some point the failure is on you for not properly educating and providing data to prove your point
17:04 < Jekotia> I have no formal education for this job, just a shit-ton of hobbyist work that's built up my knowledge and skills
17:04 < abakedapplepie> implement a help desk, start tracking time, show boss "i spend x amount of time every week fixing y problem"
17:04 < abakedapplepie> "with z product that time will be cut by 90%"
17:05 < abakedapplepie> and thats how you win budget battles
17:05 < abakedapplepie> spiceworks is free and will run on anything
17:05 < hlavender> abakedapplepie: but then you have to deal with their sales people
17:05 < abakedapplepie> heh
17:05 < hlavender> they will spam you until you commit suicide
17:05 < abakedapplepie> just dont give them something to spam then
17:06 < hlavender> i would know
17:06 < hlavender> I'm actually dead
17:06 < JFDkthx> yeah my email is cryptic1@gmail.com
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> hlavender-spam@gmail.com
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> done
17:06 < abakedapplepie> . not -
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> JFDkthx: pfft, he doesn't use gmail
17:06 < abakedapplepie> :)
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> he's still on hotmail
17:06 < ebol4> it's _+
17:06 < JFDkthx> my email is cryptic1@contoso.local
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> but i think he's consolidated to just his aol account
17:06 < ebol4> except actually it's +
17:06 < hlavender> hmm, predecessor gave away all contact details
17:06 < hlavender> so we get ultraspam
17:06 < abakedapplepie> + will create a folder
17:06 < hlavender> mimecast are almost as bad
17:06 < ebol4> no...
17:06 < abakedapplepie> ??
17:07 < abakedapplepie> oh im sorry
17:07 < hlavender> i had some guy create a creepy personalised video to try and sell me mimecast
17:07 < abakedapplepie> im confusing adding dots to adding strings
17:07 < abakedapplepie> youre right
17:07 < JFDkthx> hlavender: theres nothing wrong with mimecast
17:07 < JFDkthx> i love building in that game
17:07 < ebol4> everyone see that, i was right
17:07 < hlavender> lol
17:07 < ebol4> i was right about something
17:07 < abakedapplepie> can confirm
17:07 < abakedapplepie> am idiot
17:07 < JFDkthx> ++
17:07 < hlavender> mimecraft is a great survival game
17:07 < hlavender> you play as a lonely exchange 2007 server
17:08 < JFDkthx> its a silent survival
17:08 < hlavender> being attacked by a mass of nigerian emails
17:08 < JFDkthx> who was i talkng about clearances with yesterday
17:08 < JFDkthx> fucking investigtor finally called
17:08 < JFDkthx> hes starting the interviews
17:09 < JFDkthx> after a year and half
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> hlavender: The prince of Nigeria is coming to attack. You are in a fort with a battle axe on the left, a cross-bow to the right and a catapault behind you
17:09 < hlavender> JollyRgrs: oh no! the WSUS admin forgot to approve your patches!
17:09 <@Code_Man65> I'd rather have a trebuchet
17:09 < hlavender> -99HP
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> hahaha
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> hlavender: shields have been depleted
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> Code_Man65: and that's why you didn't get one
17:11 < hlavender> trebuchets are only available with the Enterprise offensive warlord E5 package
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> maybe if you stopped bowling in your dragon dungeons, you could play fortnite with us sometime :P
17:11 < hlavender> unlucky
17:11 <@Code_Man65> Once I'm done with Dad of War
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> wait...
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> is dad of war srs thing?
17:11 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: oh you play fortnite? I have that video game
17:11 < dragonfleas> I just looked up the upgrade pathing from Exchange 2007 to 2016
17:11 < dragonfleas> I'm in for some hell
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> or just like fork knife, everyone calls the new god of war, dad of war?
17:11 <@Code_Man65> That
17:11 <@JollyRgrs> Hatter: orly? did you get it on sale?
17:11 < dragonfleas> so I have to upgrade from 2007 to 2013, then from 2013 to 2016?
17:12 < dragonfleas> wtf
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: you're still alive?
17:12 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: do you just play pvp?
17:12 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, i had a hell of a night
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> Hatter: my wife got pve, i just do pvp
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: at least got email working again?
17:12 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, was up till 9 pm working on the exchange server, this morning, enabled circular logging temporarily to get everyone working again
17:12 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: pve isn't just for the ladies, I enjoy it sometimes
17:12 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, our backups are failing with NTbackup because VSS is broken on this exchange server
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> Hatter: yeah, but i just mean my wife bought it... i haven't yet. waiting for it to go on sale maybe
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> i'd actually like pve to sharpen my skills
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> can't really practice in pvp
17:13 < Hatter> don't you make a decent wage
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> except practicing deading
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> Hatter: when my wife doesn't work and both kids are in pvt school... not decent enough
17:13 < Jekotia> Wow, GG office
17:13 < Jekotia> It recognises that it's activation is no longer valid due to a hardware change
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: indeed, i like office... GG WP
17:13 <@JollyRgrs> oh, not 365?
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> i thought only windows did it based on hw changes
17:14 < Jekotia> but doesn't allow me to change the licence to something valid
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> office does it too, now?
17:14 < Jekotia> Yep
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> get 365
17:14 < Jekotia> So I have to reinstall office to licence it ._.
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> stop using the old n busted
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: no you don't
17:15 <@JollyRgrs> is it a home/personal install or a vol lic. install?
17:15 < Jekotia> neither
17:15 < Jekotia> MS Office 2016 Professional Plus
17:15 < Jekotia> single licence
17:16 < SynMonger> I thought there was some command you could run to reactivate, like oobe for windows
17:17 < hlavender> shutdown /r /t 0
17:17 < SynMonger> yeah, that's the one
17:17 < abakedapplepie> ^
17:17 < Jekotia> Doesn't that require an elevated prompt?
17:17 <@JollyRgrs> SynMonger: for volume license there's some vbs scripts
17:18 < hlavender> Jekotia: you should be using the SYSTEM account for all of this
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> but that's for MAK/KMS stuff
17:18 <@JollyRgrs> not for single key
17:18 < Jekotia> hlavender: Har har.
17:18 < SynMonger> ah, yeah
17:18 < ihre> Code_Man65: i dont have a ps4, but considered getting one for GoW, worth it?
17:18 < tapoxi> yes
17:18 < Jekotia> Just remembered, a good prank for Windows 10 users: Ctrl+Win+C
17:19 <@Code_Man65> It's a damn good game thus far (and gorgeous to look at)
17:19 < Jekotia> Grayscales the entire system
17:19 < Casteil> ihre: the only one who can make that call is you..
17:19 < tapoxi> GoW is really good, HZD is really good, Uncharted is really good, TLOU is really good, Bloodbourne is really good
17:19 < ihre> Casteil: ugh, you sound like a high school teacher
17:19 < Casteil> Ps4 has some of the best titles of this gen
17:19 <@JollyRgrs> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/activate-office-365-office-2016-or-office-2013-using-the-activation-wizard-1144e0de-e849-496e-8e33-ed6fb1b34202?ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US#bkmk_reinstall
17:19 <@ravioli> but can it run crysis
17:19 < SynMonger> this is the problem with acronyms... that reads as Gears of War to me
17:20 < Casteil> whether you game or not to justify spending ~$300+ of your money on a console can only be your call
17:20 < Jekotia> The Last Guardian is really good, IF you have the patience for an AI designed to be realistic and imperfect, instead of doing exactly what you require of them every time
17:20 < ihre> tapoxi: have you played witcher 3?
17:20 < abakedapplepie> the last guardian was neat
17:20 < abakedapplepie> but boring
17:20 < Casteil> But yeah - Horizon ZD is a really good game
17:20 <@JollyRgrs> if you need a BD player, i'd go sony over MSFT
17:20 < Jekotia> SynMonger: God of War
17:20 < Casteil> and I'm sure the newest Uncharted is as well
17:20 < SynMonger> Monster Hunter World isn't bad, either
17:20 < Casteil> Ratchet & Clank on PS4 is pretty good too
17:20 <@JollyRgrs> but now that xborx does it, too... not as much of a selling point
17:21 <@ravioli> i've been replaying assassins creed III since it was a free game for xbox live on xbox one (backwards compatible)
17:21 < Casteil> the one thing I wish the PS4 had is a great racing sim
17:21 < tapoxi> ihre: not yet, wife loves the series but I couldnt enjoy the combat
17:21 < abakedapplepie> rip gran turismo
17:21 <@JollyRgrs> Casteil: gran tourismo, no?
17:21 <@JollyRgrs> it gone?
17:21 < felda> ravioli I've been playing Battlefront 2 with my friend now that it is backwards compatible
17:21 < Casteil> "in the works"
17:21 < abakedapplepie> no it just isnt good
17:21 < felda> the feels of an era long gone  (ಥ﹏ಥ)
17:21 < abakedapplepie> well, the last one
17:21 < abakedapplepie> i thought they had one on ps4??
17:21 < tapoxi> gran turismo sport is pretty minimal but at least they keep adding shit to it
17:21 <@JollyRgrs> i remember the original few
17:21 < Casteil> gran turismo sport is kind of a shitty version
17:21 < Casteil> compared to what Forza offers anyway
17:21 < abakedapplepie> yeah
17:21 <@ravioli> nice. i never played it. i'm weird with vidya games in that everyone else apparently experienced all these games and i sat alone in the woods instead
17:22 <@JollyRgrs> it's like... a Tercell Sport edition?
17:22 < SynMonger> I own a ps4, but rarely play it and have maybe 4 games on the thing
17:22 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: b/c you were raised by sasquatch
17:22 < Casteil> anyway, if I could only have one console it would be a PS4
17:22 < Casteil> I have a PS4 and a Switch
17:22 <@ravioli> anyone tried psvr?
17:22 < Casteil> ...frankly though I don't really play either
17:22 < SynMonger> my wife's on the TV all the time so I never play
17:22 < tapoxi> ravioli: psvr is really good for wipeout
17:22 < felda> ravioli yes
17:22 < felda> my friend has it
17:22 < felda> it's a lot of fun
17:23 < ebol4> SynMonger: picture in picture babey
17:23 <@ravioli> i wish xbox one x had vr shit
17:23 < ebol4> you get a tiny 3 inch box in the corner of the screen
17:23 <@Code_Man65> I have a PS4, PS3, Wii U, Switch, 360, 3ds, SNES Classic
17:23 < felda> there's a game that is a super spoopy shooter on rails
17:23 < tapoxi> PSVR compares well to a rift, its no vive but its way cheaper and doesnt require a VR room in your house
17:23 < ihre> tapoxi: imo the best SP i've played in the last couple of years, combat is a bit wonky and almost hack n slash on lower difficulties, but definitely not the case on mid/high(er)
17:23 < felda> ooof that reminds me
17:23 < Casteil> I've never been too big on the VR stuff
17:23 < Nightcinder> yay! shield tv update
17:23 <@ravioli> what would interest me about psvr is the price
17:23 < Casteil> it's neat, but for extended periods of time ... ehhhh
17:23 < felda> I just started working at a radio station who tries to cut costs
17:23 < Nightcinder> my buddy has a PSVR and with his glasses he got massive headaches
17:24 <@ravioli> compared to building a machine that can run it, then buying the vr setup
17:24 < felda> all of their machines run Windows 10 Home 32bit
17:24 < tapoxi> its $350 with skyrim VR, controllers, webcam and headset
17:24 < Nightcinder> i wouldn't build a PC to play VR
17:24 < felda> I am dying on the inside
17:24 < ebol4> i'll buy vr stuff in 2035 when it hooks into your brain's sensory receptors
17:24 < SynMonger> I wear glasses, no problem wearing a rift for hours
17:24 < AnimalFarmPig> VR is the 3D TV of the 2010's
17:24 < Nightcinder> build a PC to play games, VR is an accessory you add later
17:24 < Casteil> I've got so many unfinished games
17:24 <@ravioli> i'm hoping it ain't AnimalFarmPig.
17:24 <@ravioli> hoping it takes off and gets cheaper.
17:24 < Nightcinder> ravioli: if you wanna play on PC build a PC to play games, don't build a PC for VR
17:24 < tapoxi> there's only 1 good game on pc
17:24 < tapoxi> tf2
17:24 < AnimalFarmPig> AR (MS Hololens) looks promising
17:24 < Casteil> I played Horizon ZD for like 30+ hours but never finished it
17:24 < Casteil> same for Zelda
17:25 <@ravioli> i've never experienced vr :(
17:25 < Nightcinder> it's nothing special
17:25 < Nightcinder> at least right now
17:25 < SynMonger> lies
17:25 < Casteil> hell I played Zelda BOTW on switch for 30+ hours and never even beat the first divine beast lol
17:25 < Nightcinder> it has plenty of potential
17:25 < ihre> tapoxi: Space Cadet
17:25 < Nightcinder> but it's not there
17:25 <@ravioli> Nightcinder: i was saying that it's cheaper for PSVR than a PC with VR
17:25 < tapoxi> ravioli: PSVR is a great intro but if you want to lose your mind play with a vive
17:25 < Nightcinder> well sure
17:25 <@ravioli> and that's all i was saying
17:25 < tapoxi> ravioli: vive is star trek holodeck level "I can't believe this is real" type shit
17:25 < Nightcinder> google and LG just announced new panels for VR
17:25 < Nightcinder> tapoxi: disagree
17:26 < AnimalFarmPig> I played Dactyl Nightmare once at an Incredible Universe in the early 90's, so that makes me pretty qualified to talk about VR
17:26 <@ravioli> i just want VR for elite:dangerous or other flight/space sims
17:26 < Nightcinder> screen door effect and inability to read text still bothers me
17:26 < SynMonger> elite dangerous is fuckin terrifying in VR
17:26 < Nightcinder> when VR can replace my desktop monitor i'm all in
17:26 < Casteil> ravioli: I tried a VR headset for elite
17:26 < tapoxi> Nightcinder: reading text is a flaw but flying around places in google earth or painting with light in tilt brush is mindblowing every time
17:26 <@ravioli> i've heard the text is hard to read in elite on vr but that it's nice otherwise
17:26 < catbeard> vr road head sounds fun, though not actually while driving
17:26 < Casteil> the resolution/level of detail isn't really there
17:27 < Nightcinder> resolution isn't high enough
17:27 < Casteil> ravioli: exactly, you need to be able to see high detail in elite
17:27 <@ravioli> ah
17:27 <@ravioli> SynMonger: did you have an accident
17:27 <@ravioli> SynMonger: did you boost into your landing pad?
17:27 < Nightcinder> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/5/23/17383990/google-lg-vr-display-high-res-headsets
17:27 <@ravioli> (again?)
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> catbeard: is the road in vr or is the head in vr?
17:27 < catbeard> yes
17:27 < SynMonger> the star suddenly in your face takes getting used to
17:27 < tapoxi> Nightcinder: whats mindblowing about vive isnt the display but the tracking
17:27 < Nightcinder> meh
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> sounds great
17:27 < Casteil> I thought being able to look around would be help, but the loss of sharpness in the game is a bigger hindrance than the "free look" gets you in benefits
17:27 <@ravioli> SynMonger: i've never experienced vr. does the scale come through?
17:27 < catbeard> just gotta try not to 'mess up the screen'
17:28 < catbeard> when you're done
17:28 <@ravioli> SynMonger and/or Casteil.
17:28 < SynMonger> it does for me
17:28 < Nightcinder> honestly i'm interested in VR but from an outside perspective
17:28 < Nightcinder> i almost bought a samsung odyssey
17:28 < Nightcinder> but meh
17:28 < Nightcinder> it's not there yet
17:28 < catbeard> he likes to watch
17:28 < Nightcinder> another 5 years or so
17:28 <@ravioli> like, you see a space station, does it look like "holy shit that's absolutely massive"
17:28 < tapoxi> ravioli: yes
17:28 < tapoxi> ravioli: especially minecraft
17:28 < Casteil> It probably depends on your headset; I was using a cheap Dell VR headset (based on the Microsoft mixed reality platform)
17:28 < rhqq> fucking gdpr
17:28 < Casteil> it might be better from a Vive
17:28 < Nightcinder> ravioli: if you've learned one thing from this, it's that VR is highly subjective
17:28 < Casteil> but I wasn't really impressed
17:29 < SynMonger> ravioli: yeah and the mailslot feels even more claustrophobic flying through
17:29 <@ravioli> Nightcinder++
17:29 < rhqq> every fucking site is spamming me with mails, every single site i open stuffs gdpr information into my face
17:29 < Casteil> it's neat but... doesn't really jive for long play sessions
17:29 < Nightcinder> Casteil: the panels in the WMR are pretty much as good as the vive/rift panels
17:29 <@ravioli> Casteil: seems like your main thing is the resolution, but isn't that why that headset is cheap?
17:29 < Casteil> Nightcinder: the panels are.. but I'm not sure the optics are there
17:29 < Casteil> peripherals are fuzzy
17:29 <@ravioli> ah
17:29 < catbeard> GDPR is coming
17:29 < Nightcinder> ravioli: the WMR headsets have higher res
17:29 < Casteil> extremely fuzzy
17:29 < Nightcinder> than vive/rift
17:29 < catbeard> yep
17:29 < catbeard> only because it's like 10k quid per violation
17:29 <@ravioli> death, taxes, and screen resolution increasing in the future
17:30 < Anaphylaxis> > 10k quid
17:30 < Casteil> anyway.. Best VR experience right now is finding a friend that owns one
17:30 < tapoxi> Nightcinder: also vive pro is out which solves the fuzzy text problem
17:30 < Casteil> ;)
17:30 < Nightcinder> vive pro is 1440x1600 for 615ppi
17:30 < catbeard> or more ya, idk, rather not chance it
17:30 < Nightcinder> tapoxi: and vive pro is a meme
17:30 < tapoxi> buddy has one
17:30 < Nightcinder> HTC will die soon
17:30 < tapoxi> its nuts
17:30 < SynMonger> like boats and pools, the best VR is a friend with one
17:30 < catbeard> Nightcinder: maybe maybe not
17:30 < Nightcinder> valve will buy the VR division of HTC
17:30 < tapoxi> they run Vive as a separate BU
17:30 < catbeard> got a HTC U11 Life
17:30 < catbeard> it's pretty badass
17:30 < Nightcinder> catbeard: the U12 is a flop
17:30 < Nightcinder> the U11 was a flop
17:30 < Nightcinder> they've yet to make a non-flop phone
17:31 < catbeard> been working great here
17:31 < catbeard> don't see no flops
17:31 < Nightcinder> you may like it but it's a flop financially
17:31 < catbeard> 300$
17:31 < Nightcinder> ya that wasn't MSRP
17:31 < Nightcinder> lol
17:31 < catbeard> probly not
17:31 < Nightcinder> MSRP for u11 was $799
17:31 < catbeard> still pretty decent phone for that much
17:31 < ebol4> 599 US dollars
17:31 < catbeard> way better than the galaxy grand prime
17:31 < Nightcinder> it failed compared to the others
17:31 < Nightcinder> what the fuck is grand prime
17:32 < catbeard> oldballs android4 fone
17:32 < catbeard> now i'm on 8
17:32 < hlavender> anyone using barracuda mail filtering?
17:32 < catbeard> and with 3 more cpus, and 26G more storage + my 64G sd
17:32 < catbeard> snapdragon
17:32 < catbeard> everything is instant
17:32 < Nightcinder> hlavender: i have a cuda spam filter
17:32 < hlavender> Nightcinder: good?
17:33 < Nightcinder> meh.
17:33 < hlavender> pretty done with the office 365 default one, it lets everything through
17:33 < Nightcinder> never been too thrilled with barracuda
17:33 < ebol4> i need to factory reset my galaxy s7 or something cuz it's getting reaaaal slow, but then i have to set up all my 2fa shit again
17:33 < ebol4> got dang google authenticator
17:33 < Nightcinder> you should have restore codes
17:34 < ebol4> yeah but i would still have to set them all up in the app again cuz you can't export
17:34 < ebol4> comrade o7
17:35 < servchaN> poop
17:35 < servchaN> `seen cryptic1 cryptic1
17:35 <@cryptic1> Busy
17:35 < servchaN> doing what cryptic1 touching yourself?
17:36 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
17:36 < servchaN> w3rk
17:37  * Jekotia has over 100 browser tabs open
17:37 < catbeard> cute
17:37 < catbeard> i have 9 chrome wins with 40 tabs each
17:37 < catbeard> only because SOMEONE thought it was fine to disable vertical tab tree support in Chrome
17:38 < Jekotia> catbeard: Check out Vivaldi. It's based on chrome so your extensions still work
17:38 < Jekotia> Has vertical tab listing, a tab tree for a sidebar, and generally handles high tab counts MUCH better
17:39 <@ravioli> i have like 4 tabs open because i close my tabs when i'm done with them
17:39 <@ravioli> #rekt
17:39 < catbeard> lucky, i gotta keep my tabs open because they're tickets
17:39 < Jekotia> ravioli: It must be nice to finish things
17:39 < servchaN> 1 tab open and here I am
17:39 <@ravioli> lol
17:39 < servchaN> bizzzzzznitch
17:40 < servchaN> that's how i roll with my workload
17:40 < Jekotia> servchaN: Turn that tab into an app!
17:40 < servchaN> yess Jekotia
17:40 < catbeard> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSPf6x1Fdo
17:41 < Jekotia> servchaN: nativefier is nice. The apps seem a bit large for what it's doing, but it's not going to be an issue if you don't use it much
17:42 < SynMonger> look at you guys with your infinite amounts of ram for tabs
17:42 < abakedapplepie> vivaldis based on chrome?
17:42 < abakedapplepie> til
17:43 < ebol4> i have 6 browser windows each with like 8 tabs
17:43 < servchaN> i run chrome tabs on production servers. i like to live on the edge
17:44 < coderphive> today I watched a man cry about devops without involving tears
17:44 < coderphive> Sorry you can't code fam
17:45 < hlavender> how do people run out of RAM?
17:45 < hlavender> are you restricted to 4GB ram endpoints or smth?
17:45 < abakedapplepie> by running 200 chrome tabs
17:45 < abakedapplepie> apparently
17:45 < hlavender> i have 50 open now
17:45 < hlavender> no issue
17:45 < servchaN> someone make another browser
17:45 < hlavender> 16GB RAM
17:45 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Well, chromium.
17:46 < hlavender> OSX is good at memory management though
17:46 < coderphive> lol wut
17:46 < SynMonger> I work in higher ed, budget = $0 so unless I can steal it upgrades are few and far between
17:46 < coderphive> OSX has a known buggy kernel that eats ram
17:46 < coderphive> esp high sierra
17:46 < hlavender> it eats ram because unused ram is wasted ram
17:46 < hlavender> whats the point in having ram if you dont use it
17:46 < coderphive> KERNEL THIS
17:46 < hlavender> same idea as android
17:47 < hlavender> not like free ram saves power or anything
17:47 < corn266> the same reason to have an expensive track car without going to the track
17:47 < coderphive> lmao
17:47 < catbeard> does it work with foxyproxy for chrome?
17:47 < servchaN> garage inventory
17:47 < hlavender> i dont get the FOSS circle jerk of LOOK HOW LIGHTWEIGHT MY DE IS
17:47 < hlavender> my setup only uses 300MB RAM!!!!
17:47 < coderphive> fresh restart - kernel_task 1.5GB
17:47 < servchaN> for show
17:47 < servchaN> fosho
17:48 < hlavender> i mean if you've only got 2GB ram fair enough
17:48 < SynMonger> get off the bloat addiction, fatty
17:48 < hlavender> :(
17:48 < coderphive> what do you mean about lightweight DE's
17:48 < rhqq> hey guys, actually, i have set up sms alerts for my oncall shit
17:48 < coderphive> MOAR SPECICIFITY
17:48 < catbeard> so Vivaldi is based out of Reykjavik Iceland, and Oslo, Norway
17:48 < hlavender> like people using i3 and wanking off over their idle memory usage
17:48 < rhqq> is there any android app that will make sound when a message from a particular contact/number comes in?
17:48 < coderphive> oh
17:48 < coderphive> weird
17:48 < rhqq> because i want to mute my phone otherwise
17:48 < ebol4> rhqq: i use textra, i think it has that capability
17:48 < hlavender> go on /r/linux
17:49 < hlavender> its full of it
17:49 < Nightcinder> full of special people?
17:49 <@killdash9> rhqq: use Priority Contacts. They'll ignor DnD
17:49 < catbeard> if you use Signal, you can mute everyone else
17:49 < Nightcinder> people acutally use signal?
17:49 < rhqq> killdash9: sounds sweet
17:49 < hlavender> Nightcinder: its pretty neckbearded
17:49 < SynMonger> if you like windows you're spreading FUD
17:49 < catbeard> on phone ya
17:49 < coderphive> hlavender there's this push in some shops to use remote dev environments. the idea being you don't have to pay for $2k i7 16GB laptops with M.2 drives
17:49 < Nightcinder> it's a linux subreddit of course it's neckbeards
17:49 < Nightcinder> it's like the sysadmins who think everyone uses linux and should only use linux
17:49 < Nightcinder> sorry that's not true or feasible
17:49 < coderphive> hlavender tldr: slower feedback loops suck, so everyone's going back
17:49 < catbeard> feasible yes
17:50 < catbeard> if they knew how
17:50 < coderphive> Nightcinder actually it is
17:50 < Nightcinder> nah i like my active directory too much
17:50 < catbeard> problem is 'well what about office, what about x..'
17:50 < coderphive> kthx
17:50 < Nightcinder> it's not, kthx
17:50 < catbeard> umm you can join linux to AD
17:50 < coderphive> liar
17:50 < hlavender> be quiet, libreoffice is KING!!!!!
17:50 < Nightcinder> when i said 'everyone uses linux' i meant no windows at all.
17:50 < hlavender> omg micr0$0ft?
17:50 < Nightcinder> how dare we use server os's that aren't centos
17:50 < catbeard> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/2008.12.linux.aspx
17:50 < coderphive> Actually, OpenOffice was king. LibreOffice is the prince we don't deserve.
17:51 < hlavender> centos would be a normal choice
17:51 < Nightcinder> catbeard: then you're still using windows
17:51 < hlavender> more like plz compile from source
17:51 < coderphive> CentOS is cancer. Change my mind.
17:51 < catbeard> no, just AD
17:51 < hlavender> using open source blobs
17:51 < catbeard> you're running Linux sure
17:51 < Nightcinder> can't have closed source in mah OSS
17:51 < Anaphylaxis> Ubuntu Server is the best.
17:51 < coderphive> Debian > %
17:51 < hlavender> ^
17:51 < coderphive> rip
17:51 < hlavender> ubuntu server for sure
17:51 < rhqq> i use ubuntu server everywhere
17:52 < hlavender> inb4 neckbeards: canconical REEEEEEEE
17:52 < coderphive> heh
17:52 < Nightcinder> i use server 2016
17:52 < SynMonger> haha
17:52 < coderphive> If you don't like Canonical just use Debian
17:52 < rhqq> desktop suxx but server is quite well tailored
17:52 < coderphive> It's the same shit
17:52 < hlavender> its the same shit but with worse documentation
17:52 < coderphive> Debian is known for it's really high documentation standards
17:53 < coderphive> so I don't know what you mean there
17:53 < coderphive> BUT THATS COOL
17:53 < rhqq> documentation,sure
17:53 < hlavender> yes, but if you're not an expert
17:53 < rhqq> less practical examples,tutorials etc
17:53 < hlavender> then ubuntu is far better
17:53 < rhqq> yeah
17:53 < coderphive> oh
17:53 < coderphive> Yes
17:53 < coderphive> I'd agree with that
17:53 < hlavender> I mean I'm very competent in linux
17:53 < Nightcinder> not an expert?
17:53 < Nightcinder> fucking get out of here and use arch
17:53 < rhqq> and thing is, if you're setting up something new you never did before
17:53 < rhqq> you're not expert anyway
17:53 < hlavender> but not an expert
17:53 < coderphive> hey guys
17:53 < coderphive> did you know
17:53 < rhqq> lets say it was irst time for me to setup dnsmasq
17:53 < coderphive> I'm running arch rn
17:53 < servchaN> no one is expert in linux. just like sex
17:53 < Nightcinder> learn how to arch
17:54 < rhqq> if i just used manpages i'd die
17:54 < SynMonger> pfft, gentoo or get out
17:54 < corn266> coderphive ironman, btw
17:54 < coderphive> I actually run an arch VM on my arch machine
17:54 < hlavender> coderphive: i run a solaris VM on my solaris VM on my gentoo VM on my gentoo machine
17:54 < Nightcinder> if i had to use manuals and couldn't google my problems
17:54 < Nightcinder> i'd switch career paths
17:54 < coderphive> Gentoo gives me herpres
17:54 < coderphive> wat
17:55 < hlavender> i mean
17:55 < SynMonger> better than cancer
17:55 < hlavender> the only time you should read a manual
17:55 < hlavender> is after a trip to IKEA
17:55 < Nightcinder> i don't have time to dig through manpages for issues, i'll just google the issue because someones already had that problem
17:55 < Nightcinder> and then find
17:55 < coderphive> wat
17:55 < Nightcinder> EDIT: Fixed it
17:55 < Nightcinder> and cry silently
17:55 < coderphive> Hopefully that's sarcasm
17:55 < hlavender> ability to find logs + google = you can fix anything
17:55 < coderphive> I'll assume it is
17:55 < coderphive> yeezus
17:55 < hlavender> amount of people i know that dont look at windows logs
17:56 < coderphive> y'all make me cry
17:56 < Nightcinder> do you really think you can't google your sysadmin job
17:56 < corn266> hlavender: kernel panic without kdump :: fix it
17:56 < Nightcinder> corn266: blow it up and start over
17:56 < hlavender> corn266: no
17:56 < corn266> Nightcinder ++
17:56 < hlavender> corn266: rebuild from puppet
17:56 < coderphive> puppet
17:56 < hlavender> and install adobe reader
17:56 < coderphive> lawd
17:57 < coderphive> I'm pretty tool agnostic, but fuck puppet
17:57 < Nightcinder> yeah it'a slmost like they made tools so you can do your job more efficiently
17:57 < Nightcinder> instead of reading 200 manpages everytime
17:57 < corn266> I'm thinking about getting puppet or ansible for one computer because fuck this reimaging from a static image bs
17:57 < coderphive> Nightcinder man pages have nothing to do with tools
17:57 < Nightcinder> i'm lazy and should at least set up SCCM
17:57 < Nightcinder> but lazy
17:57 < hlavender> pdq if you're lazy
17:57 < Nightcinder> too lazy to save myself from more work
17:57 < hlavender> PDQ is lazy mans dream
17:57 < coderphive> In fact, one might say if you write automation for things you need to know _more_ about said subjects
17:58 < rhqq> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fscz.smsalert&hl=en&rdid=com.fscz.smsalert this thing works well
17:58 < coderphive> I know the industry disagrees because we have a shortage of workers and surplus of shitties
17:58 < coderphive> but w/e
17:58 < hlavender> coderphive: excuse me, but as a recent university graduate with 10 mins experience and domain admin
17:58 < coderphive> Someone is furiously typing a response to that rn
17:58 < hlavender> i find your opinion offensive
17:58 < coderphive> called it
17:59 < hlavender> now let me disable this pesky FSMO role
17:59 < coderphive> kek
17:59 < Nightcinder> ugh fsmo
17:59 < coderphive> fsmo?
17:59 < SynMonger> ahhh gawd
17:59 < Nightcinder> i have to migrate domain controllers :(
17:59 < coderphive> is this the military?
17:59 < Nightcinder> FSMO is the AD DC
17:59 < coderphive>  /sarcasm
18:00 < Nightcinder> someone come migrate my DC for me
18:00 < Nightcinder> pls and ty
18:00 < hlavender> to what
18:00 < Nightcinder> i pay $5
18:00 < hlavender> azure?
18:00 < coderphive> tbh
18:00 < SynMonger> sounds more like a sexual preference that you keep secret
18:00 < hlavender> SURE THANG
18:00 < coderphive> Just shut it off
18:00 < Nightcinder> 2012 -> 2016
18:00 < hlavender> 1....2....3..........4...................6....
18:00 < coderphive> and tell your company you did them a favor
18:00 < hlavender> sry, azure is out of capacity, they need to add more floppies
18:00 < coderphive> Then switch to linux
18:00 < Nightcinder> yeah i'll tell them we're moving to linux
18:00 < coderphive> arch even
18:00 < coderphive> biggest favor ever
18:00 < Nightcinder> hlavender: azure doesn't run out of cap
18:00 < Nightcinder> if there's one thing it doesn't do
18:01 < hlavender> Nightcinder: yes it does
18:01 < Nightcinder> wat
18:01 < Nightcinder> by default it just autoexpands when you run out of space
18:01 < hlavender> it genuinely has had capacity problems
18:01 < Nightcinder> lol
18:01 < hlavender> WOT
18:01 < coderphive> like, let's be real. Name one thing you can't do on arch.
18:01 < hlavender> oh you mean an actual VM
18:01 < Nightcinder> function
18:01 < felda> cryptic1 why did you cancel our summit in Singapore to discuss DNS demilitarization?
18:01 < hlavender> felda: this sounds deep
18:01 < Nightcinder> something something pfsense?
18:02 < coderphive> felda.io has not been updated in months
18:02 < coderphive> Also, why is it not open source?
18:02 < hlavender> because FOSS is the devils work
18:02 < coderphive> Also, why is it not running on arch?
18:02 < Nightcinder> it should be running on server 2003
18:02 < coderphive> These are all things the free press would like answers to
18:02 < hlavender> my main domain is at functional level 2003
18:02 < felda> coderphive live has been getting in the way
18:02 < hlavender> so please send pity my way
18:03 < felda> s/live/life
18:03 < Nightcinder> i think our functional level is 2012
18:03 < felda> layer-eight is RIPERONI
18:03 < coderphive> felda first of all, you're on IRC so I know that's a lie
18:03 < felda> only while at work
18:03 < coderphive> none of us actually exist in the real world
18:03 < coderphive> only in bits
18:03 < felda> after work I've been walking, hiking, and playing sports
18:03 < Nightcinder> my coworker pretends he's busy 24/7 i really wonder what he's doing
18:03 < felda> so I get home late
18:03 < Nightcinder> i need to install vnc on his pc
18:03 < servchaN> Nightcinder is that cryptic1 who is busy all the time?
18:03 < hlavender> Nightcinder: crypto trading
18:03 < Nightcinder> i on the other hand do not look busy all the time and i get more done
18:03 < Nightcinder> sooo
18:04 < coderphive> felda then I suggest you establish the felda.io working group
18:04 < felda> nah it's my baby
18:04 < coderphive> I demand foss
18:04 < coderphive> and updates
18:04 < Nightcinder> man i want that xps 15 2 in 1
18:04 < coderphive> and arch
18:04 < Nightcinder> lol just got an email from a random ass vendor
18:04 < Nightcinder> asking me for a 10am phone call
18:04 < Nightcinder> never spoken to them before
18:04 < arlion> sales vendor
18:04 < Nightcinder> I am reaching out because I was hoping to set up a brief call with you tomorrow morning and share how thousands of companies use Cleo to manage their file transfer processes. The 2-minute video below provides a quick introduction.
18:05 < Nightcinder> o
18:05 < Nightcinder> boi
18:05 < servchaN> sexual favors for vendor purchases
18:05 < Nightcinder> gonna go with a big 'no'
18:05 < coderphive> Cleo?
18:05 < Nightcinder> ya
18:05 < coderphive> what kind of name for software is that
18:05 < Nightcinder> 'managed file transfer'
18:05 < Nightcinder> the fuck do i need managed file transfer
18:05 < coderphive> Cleo just says, "I'm proprietary horseshit"
18:05 < SynMonger> reminds me of the telephone psychic
18:05 < Nightcinder> https://www.cleo.com/
18:05 < coderphive> reminds me of "Cortana"
18:05 < coderphive> oh yeah
18:06 < coderphive> Gartner uses them
18:06 < coderphive> it's crap
18:06 < catbeard> CALL MISS CLEO NOW FOR YA FREE READIN
18:06 < Nightcinder> i opted out
18:06 < arlion> integrate on-premise and butt applications
18:06 < Nightcinder> their link
18:06 < vinrock> rip miss cleo
18:06 < coderphive> If there's two things I've learned: If it's used at Gartner or worked at Gartner, it's no good
18:06 < Nightcinder> redirects to a website
18:06 < Nightcinder> that asks me to run adobe flash
18:06 < catbeard> vinrock: she never saw it coming
18:06 < Nightcinder> so uh
18:06 < catbeard> badumsh
18:06 < Nightcinder> no
18:06 < vinrock> pour out some liquor for muh shawty
18:07 < Nightcinder> i need to get around to testing PRTG
18:07 < catbeard> likka
18:07 < Nightcinder> i installed it but didn't touch it
18:07 < felda> wow Walgreens is getting really pushy
18:07 < felda> "REFILL YOUR RX NOW OR DIE"
18:07 < felda> like chill bruh
18:07 < catbeard> ok *dies*
18:07 < coderphive> My favorite alias Ms Cleo used was, "Corvette Mama"
18:08 < vinrock> thats a good name for like
18:08 < vinrock> a burlesque dancer
18:08 < coderphive> That's actually my wifes name
18:08 < dragonfleas> anybody have any good tutorials for upgrade pathing from exchange 2007 to 2016?
18:08 < vinrock> im pretty jelly
18:08 < dragonfleas> i'm going to fucking blow my brains out if I have to wing it
18:08 < dragonfleas> I need a good guide
18:09 < vinrock> https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org
18:09 < felda> no pls  (ಥ﹏ಥ) this hurts too much  https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/24/entertainment/morgan-freeman-accusations/index.html
18:09 <+A-KO> sigh
18:09 <+A-KO> I ran into a stupid fuck issue yesterday
18:09 <+A-KO> and, it's fucking Windows lol
18:09 <+A-KO> well,  PowerShell
18:09 < vinrock> powersmell
18:10 < Astr0_Belt> ako, fixed the issue I PM'd you about.
18:10 < Astr0_Belt> sorry to bother you. hahaha.
18:11 < dragonfleas> vinrock, i meant it in more in the millennial edgy way instead of the literal way
18:11 <+A-KO> lol no worries
18:11 < vinrock> pff pussy go big or go home
18:14 < Nightcinder> lol mozilla
18:14 < Nightcinder> sent out an email saying 'haha all these other companies are finally catching up to us with GPDR'
18:15 < SynMonger> what's GDPR
18:15 < rhqq> european piece of beaurocracy shit
18:15 <+A-KO> a law that companies are loving that will never get enforced
18:15 < rhqq> that changes nothing, but causes sites to show annoying popups to everyone
18:16 < vader-> any of you guys work with 3CX for call centers?
18:16 <+A-KO> GDPR is basically pointless
18:16 <+A-KO> I mean, we're doing it
18:16 <+A-KO> but it's still pointless af
18:16 < rhqq> EU is pointless
18:16 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, no fucking way
18:16 < int0x1C8> existence is pointless
18:16 <+A-KO> GDPR will be held up in courts for years. Nobody will be hammered with it.
18:16 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, it means i can claim i'm an EU citizen and then solarwinds HAS to take me off their list
18:16 < corn266> rhqq like the "we use cookies" popup
18:16 <+Hunterkll> :D
18:16 <+A-KO> lawyers will fucking tie that shit in courts forever.
18:16 < rhqq> corn266: i have ublock rule for these
18:16 < corn266> regardless
18:16 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, we already enforce EU law here already through the commerce department you know
18:17 <+A-KO> lol Hunterkll
18:17 <+Hunterkll> https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome <---
18:17 <+Hunterkll> we have for years
18:17 <+A-KO> "we have for years"--without anyone going to court and getting fined over it, it's not enforced.
18:17 <+Hunterkll> GDPR isn't even that large of a scope increase
18:17 < corn266> Hunterkll it's called encroachment
18:17 <+Hunterkll> it's a /good/ scope increase IMO
18:18 < catbeard> cockroach mints?
18:18 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, enforcement has happened though - by the FTC - https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/blogs/business-blog/2017/09/ftc-cases-affirm-commitment-privacy-shield
18:18 <+A-KO> It doesn't matter if it's a scope creep or not, it matters on whether or not anyone's going to get dinged by it. They won't.
18:18 <+A-KO> if a law gets created and it never gets enforced, does it make a sound?
18:18 <+Hunterkll> FTC has enforced before though
18:18 <+Hunterkll> it has enforced compliance with frameworks for EU laws
18:19 < corn266> nah they semanage permissive -a FTC_t
18:19 <+A-KO> GDPR is a law specifically aimed at Facebook and Google and other social media platforms. That's it. Absolutely nobody else wil lget hammered by the GDPR, because that's not the intent of the law.
18:19 < catbeard> federal tard commission
18:19 < rhqq> A-KO: unfortunately no :(
18:19 < ebol4> HEY!!! show some respeck
18:19 < coderphive> GDPR is honestly pretty stupid
18:19 <+A-KO> everyone else is scrambling to follow it
18:19 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, none of the current EU privacy law enforcement actions have been against those companies (in the US)
18:19 < corn266> ebol4: F
18:19 < catbeard> show respect to those that show you none, sure
18:19 <+A-KO> "it", for whatever "it" is.
18:19 < coderphive> Not really much of a benefit for anyone
18:19 < coderphive> Lots of hassle though
18:19 <+A-KO> "it" has yet to be defined in GDPR
18:20 < Nightcinder> back on the fuck uber train
18:20 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/05/emergency-brakes-were-disabled-by-ubers-self-driving-software-ntsb-says/
18:20 < coderphive> A-KO that's not true
18:20 < rhqq> A-KO: basically every EU country has their own GDPR implementation, and every country has to have a body that will enforce that. problem is... these bodies are going to be self-founded. basically they'll make money on checking companies whether they're compliant or not and making them pay :(
18:20 < coderphive> A-KO GDPR makes explicitly defines who it affects
18:20 <+Hunterkll> yea it's pretty damn well defined
18:21 < rhqq> so this promotes them actually trying to screw with companies to drain money
18:21 <+Hunterkll> ^
18:21 <+Hunterkll> FTC has a history of enforcing EU privacy laws
18:21 <+Hunterkll> this will be no different
18:21 < coderphive> but yeah, I'd say GDPR is largely pointless
18:21 < Hatter> does anyone else have waking hallucinations from lack of sleep
18:21 < rhqq> it's a total abuse and yeah
18:21 <+Hunterkll> I dunno
18:21 <+Hunterkll> a company actually having to delete shit when i demand it
18:21 < rhqq> i'd rather ban all UE customers really
18:21 <+Hunterkll> is pretty cool for me
18:21 < catbeard> kinda like how we got law enforcement from the UK
18:21 < coderphive> Hunterkll that's not specified in the GDPR
18:21 < catbeard> rhqq: those are the ones with the shekels tho
18:21 < rhqq> Hunterkll: it's pretty much allowed everywhere
18:21 < rhqq> :)
18:22 <+A-KO> Nobody's going to enforce GDPR. Because nobody knows the scope of how far GDPR goes, it hasn't been legally defined. Everyone, and I mean *everyone* is guessing as to what's covered.
18:22 < rhqq> catbeard: not really
18:22 < catbeard> Prince Abubu
18:22 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, the scope is *clearly* defined
18:22 <+Hunterkll> it's just very broad
18:22 <+A-KO> no, no it's not
18:22 < rhqq> it's easier to sue 10 small companies who dont have their own legal
18:22 < Nightcinder>     At 1.3 seconds before impact, the self-driving system determined that an emergency braking maneuver was needed to mitigate a collision. According to Uber, emergency braking maneuvers are not enabled while the vehicle is under computer control, to reduce the potential for erratic vehicle behavior. The vehicle operator is relied on to intervene and take action. The system is not designed to alert the operator.
18:22 <+A-KO> rhqq: nobody's going to do that
18:22 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, what's not clearly defined about it?
18:22 < rhqq> A-KO: you know nothing
18:22 < rhqq> in Poland its already a problem
18:22 < coderphive> I agree with Hunterkll here, it is very clearly defined in terms of scope
18:22 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, the FTC *HAS ALREADY DONE THAT*
18:23 < coderphive> Which is basically "everyone"
18:23 < vinrock> hunterkll do you know powershell
18:23 <+Hunterkll> i've never heard of Decusoft from delleware
18:23 < catbeard> we just assume it's covered, my $dayjob is UK based
18:23 <+Hunterkll> or some printing company called Tru Communication in california
18:23 < coderphive> like Line 1 is basically, "If you collect data"
18:23 <+Hunterkll> and who the fuck is Md7 in california?
18:23 < catbeard> literally every website ever collects data
18:23 < coderphive> catbeard yeap
18:23 <+A-KO> coderphive: It's defined in the sense of "any informatoin that could tie back to a real person." Which is BROAD. And most companies aren't including things like information on backup tapes, archived shit, etc. Yet here we are, you don't ultimately know whether you're going to get dinged because you didn't go through your 10-year archived data and cleaned it.
18:23 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, not quite
18:23 <+Hunterkll> there's a few tests
18:23 < coderphive> They specifically mention recording IP Addresses
18:23 < rhqq> there's a thing of... gdpr also specifies that it's going to aim at companies with 250+ employees
18:23 < coderphive> like
18:23 < coderphive> lmao
18:23 < catbeard> whether that's forms or HTTP/1.1 GET /index.html
18:23 <+A-KO> This is a fact
18:23 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, there's a few tests for territorial application and types of dat
18:24 <+Hunterkll> a
18:24 < catbeard> ya um we're not gonna disable logging
18:24 < catbeard> fk that
18:24 <+A-KO> catbeard: exactly
18:24 < catbeard> we ain't bubu da foo
18:24 < coderphive> A-KO yeah, I understand the wording. I'm saying the scope is quite clear: everyone
18:24 <+Hunterkll> catbeard, logging, in standard webserver activities, falls out of scope
18:24 <+A-KO> no, it doesn't, Hunterkll
18:24 <+A-KO> no it doesn't.
18:24 <+Hunterkll> it fails a dual pronged test about data /processing/
18:24 < catbeard> how about modsecurity and SEIM
18:24 <+A-KO> my fucking *DHCP logs* are in scope.
18:24 < coderphive> yes
18:25 < coderphive> haha
18:25 < rhqq> everything that has an IP in it
18:25 <+Hunterkll> This Regulation applies to the processing of personal data wholly or partly by automated means and to the processing other than by automated means of personal data which form part of a filing system or are intended to form part of a filing system.
18:25 < rhqq> falls into processing
18:25 < coderphive> That's what I'm saying
18:25 < coderphive> It's quite clear
18:25 <+Hunterkll> retention policy falls into play here
18:25 < catbeard> so if we blank the last octet
18:25 < coderphive> Everyone must follow GDPR
18:25 < coderphive> that's the scope
18:25 < rhqq> fucking log rotation/country-source graphs fall into that piece of shit
18:25 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, no.
18:25 < rhqq> what's more important
18:25 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, you're territorially exempt if you don't do business in the EU and don't primarily market to the EU
18:25 < rhqq> if somebody requires you to remove his/her/whateverthefuckpronoun data
18:25 < rhqq> you need to erase that from your backups too
18:25 < coderphive> Oh
18:25 < rhqq> this is fucking insane
18:25 <+Hunterkll> so a small company in the US that only works in the 48 states without advertising to the EU or primarily selling to the EU
18:25 <+Hunterkll> is out of scope
18:25 < coderphive> Can you prove that no one from the EU accesses your service?
18:25 < catbeard> rhqq: doesn't mean you can't post on fb
18:25 <+Hunterkll> for example
18:26 < coderphive> Because I bet you can't
18:26 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, you don't have to
18:26 <+A-KO> coderphive: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the data that's covered and how it's covered. GDPR doesn't clearly define where the demarcation is for what data is covered. Most companies I've talked to are taking the hammer approach, *everything* is in scope.
18:26 < coderphive> If someone from the EU accesses your website and you log their IP, you have to tell them
18:26 < coderphive> That part is quite clear
18:26 <+A-KO> Is archival data covered? technically yes, you could make a legal argument that data stored on tape offsite is covered.
18:26 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, no
18:26 < coderphive> If you store cookies, you have to tell them
18:26 <+A-KO> coderphive is correct
18:26 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, are you /offering/ services to the EU ?
18:26 < coderphive> You can say "no" all you want
18:27 <+Hunterkll> or are you offering services to the US?
18:27 < coderphive> It doesn't matter
18:27 < coderphive> Go read the GDPR
18:27 <+A-KO> coderphive is 100% correct on this
18:27 <+Hunterkll> I have it on my screen
18:27 <+Hunterkll> lol
18:27 <+A-KO> I assure you
18:27 <+A-KO> I've had these conversations
18:27 <+Hunterkll> Article 3's interpretation by lawfirms too
18:27 < catbeard> unless ofc you don't care, and post the dudes IP and pronoun on 4chan before removing the backups
18:27 < zerocool> anyone know of a way to change the sid of a local group on a windows machine?
18:27 <+Hunterkll> Recital 23: “Whereas the mere accessibility of the controller's, processor's or an intermediary's website in the union, of an email address or of other contact details, or the use of a language generally used in the third country where the controller is established, is insufficient to ascertain such intention.”
18:27 < catbeard> you ain't getting away that easy
18:27 <+A-KO> zerocool: you can't.
18:27 < zerocool> frick
18:27 < zerocool> oh well thanks :)
18:28 < zerocool> woulda saved some time
18:28 <+A-KO> zerocool: maybe some sort of offline editing of the sam database, but who the fuck knows.
18:28 < catbeard> WHAT ARE YOU HIDING
18:28 < DomLS3> zerocool: delete the group and re add it
18:28 <+A-KO> that's some surgical fuckery
18:28 < coderphive> There's one section that talks about "doing business in the EU" but there's another that's phrased like "opportunistic use", which is someone in the EU lands on your website
18:28 <+Hunterkll> Recital 23 indicates taht a website simplly accessible on the global internet does not indicate intention of offering goods and services
18:28 <+Hunterkll> to the EU
18:28 <+Hunterkll> thereby, does not necessiarily subject you to GDPR
18:28 < zerocool> DomLS3: lol i need it to be a specific number
18:28 < zerocool> DomLS3: lol i need it to be a specific SID
18:28 <+Hunterkll> Recital 24: “Factors such as the use of a language or a currency generally used in one or more Member States with the possibility of ordering goods and services in that other language, or the mentioning of customers or users who are in the Union, may make it apparent that the controller envisages offering goods or services to data subjects in the Union.”
18:28 < coderphive> andThat's contradicted later Hunterkll
18:28 <+Hunterkll> don't price your shit in euros
18:28 < DomLS3> zerocool: oh. You can probably do some fuckery with ADSI edit or powershell
18:28 <+A-KO> coderphive: exactly why it'll be held up in courts
18:28 <+Hunterkll> and don't market to the EU
18:28 < coderphive> It doesn't matter
18:28 < DomLS3> but good luck on that
18:28 < coderphive> A-KO yeap
18:28 < catbeard> fuck this i'll be a stripper
18:28 <+A-KO> DomLS3: You can't. You cannot edit SIDs within Windows itself
18:29 < zerocool> Hey wait can I create a group and specify the SID that would do it
18:29 <+A-KO> coderphive: it'll be years before anyone gets enforced, because someone's going to go after the right company with the right legal team, and GDPR won't be clearly defined.
18:29 <+A-KO> zerocool: Windows autogenerates the SIDs
18:29 < catbeard> precedent will be set with the first stone cast
18:29 < zerocool> currently the group isn't used but it needs to map to a SID on volume that I am taking from another machine
18:29 <+A-KO> catbeard: pretty much
18:29 <+A-KO> catbeard: but it's going to take precedent before it's all figured out
18:30 < estranger> Gdpr hammer will drop hard, imo
18:30 < coderphive> Hunterkll Go to a GDPR legal consulting firm and they'll give you four bullet points: 1. Opportunistic Use 2. If you're in the EU 3. If you have > 250 Employees
18:30 <+A-KO> it won't.
18:30 < coderphive> All that matters is opportunistic use though
18:30 < estranger> For the large corps it will
18:30 < coderphive> because it basically implies everyone
18:30 < zerocool> A-KO: thanks bud, i'll just shoehorn in a domain account before the move
18:30 < coderphive> I forgot the fourth bullet point
18:30 <+A-KO> GDPR hammer isn't going to drop at all. The 'deadline' is going to pass--and nothing's going to happen. The year will pass. nothing's going to happen.
18:31 < estranger> We'll see
18:31 < coderphive> I'm not going to try to predict the future A-KO. I do think the GDPR is useless though.
18:31 < Casteil> it'll be selectively enforced for viral incidents
18:31 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, yet, that's not codified in the statute at all
18:31 < coderphive> Hunterkll that doesn't matter!
18:31 <+A-KO> The only reason GDPR is anywhere near the news right now is because tons of companies selling snake oil products about GDPR readiness are being opportunistic and advertising the fuck out of their services
18:31 < estranger> Classic Europe laws :)
18:31 < coderphive> You'll be taken to court and they'll win
18:31 < coderphive> and they make clear it doesn't matter if you're a US company, they'll come after you
18:31 <@JollyRgrs> i'd like to suggest you all buy pci compliance chimp
18:32 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the statute is quite clear in both current and past case law and definition about the second clause for territorial applicability related to /monitoring/
18:32 <+A-KO> lol JollyRgrs
18:32 < estranger> We help with gdpr and have a white paper too.. fj33r
18:32 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the FTC has to come after you, not the EU
18:32 <+Hunterkll> so
18:32 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: #neverforget
18:32 < catbeard> us too
18:32 < coderphive> Hunterkll wrong
18:32 < catbeard> we posted 3 articles outlining it
18:32 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, they have to make their case to the FTC first
18:32 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the FTC is how they enforce EU laws through EU lawsuits
18:32 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: it's like the PCI requirement of TLS 1.2 which kept getting delayed by years.
18:32 < coderphive> Hunterkll The US has a well-known legal implement for other countries to enforce reasonable protection laws in the US
18:33 < estranger> Shut the internet down, it's too unregulated
18:33 < coderphive> Even better, it's civil court based
18:33 < coderphive> so they can disregard the FTC completely
18:33 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the FTC has been the one handling all the historical and current EU privacy agreements and llawsuits
18:33 < catbeard> trial by jury, jury nullification
18:33 < catbeard> thanks
18:33 < coderphive> Check out all the Asylum cases. They do it all the time.
18:33 <+Hunterkll> and compliance lawsuits
18:33 < coderphive> You hedge your bets on that then
18:33 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: if the US government followed up with its compliance audits $old_company would have been shut down long ago. Same with other contractors LOL
18:34 < catbeard> wonder what that means for NSA
18:34 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, yea, the FTC normally goes with smalller companies like the ones i listed before that no one's esver heard of
18:34 <+Hunterkll> ;)
18:34 < coderphive> lmso
18:34 <+Hunterkll> and this is EU law compliance
18:34 < catbeard> they store and process lots of EU citizen info
18:34 <+Hunterkll> not US law compliance
18:34 < coderphive> NSA mailing list
18:34 < servchaN> catbeard NOSTRINGSATTACHED
18:34 < coderphive> "Here's how we use your data"
18:34 < catbeard> no such agency
18:35 < coderphive> The EU stores and processes it's own citizens info
18:35 < catbeard> CTOC will go umm fuck off
18:35 < coderphive> They love drilling backdoors into shit via policy
18:35 < coderphive> Yet they'll tell companies how to treat user data
18:35 < estranger> I don't think the gdpr hammer will drop in the US. But companies operating with infrastructure in the EU .... Wouldn't be so confident
18:35 < coderphive> it's a fucking joke
18:35 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the law firm we're using states that there's 3 bullet points, - offering goods and/or services to eu subjects, *processing personal data* of eu individualls, or *monitoring* aka web tracking and profiling
18:35 <+Hunterkll> well, and the auditing firm too
18:35 < estranger> hi I'm the government and I'm here to help
18:35 <+Hunterkll> which basically has us skating clear
18:35 <+Hunterkll> lol
18:36 < coderphive> Hunterkll yeah, the last one qualifies *everyone*
18:36 <+Hunterkll> only some of our EU projects/offices have to care, and most of those are on US soil anyway
18:36 <+A-KO> Here's what'll happen. Someone will get 'sued' by GDPR in a big way, because someone's going to try and go after Facebook, Google, or Microsoft. Or they'll go after one of the equivalently-sized advertising firms. A ton of really expensive lawyers will take years to argue over what's covered, how it's covered, and how to comply. Ultimately, nobody will get fined--because after they
18:36 <+A-KO> spend enough time arguing what's covered, they'll give the affected party time to implement it.
18:36 < coderphive> Hunterkll Exactly what I said
18:36 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, web tracking/profiling is well defined in EU law though
18:36 <+Hunterkll> web server logs are not that
18:36 <+Hunterkll> fail2ban is not that
18:36 < coderphive> Good luck defending that
18:36 <+Hunterkll> tracking across multiple sites you own? that is that
18:36 <+Hunterkll> that's settled EU case law though
18:36 < coderphive> Do you want to take that risk?
18:36 < coderphive> I don't
18:36 < estranger> A-KO: it won't be one of the big tech firms.. will be some middle of the road retailer or something that gets hammered first
18:37 < coderphive> We're a big data company, our GDPR requirements list is _huge_
18:37 <+A-KO> estranger: perhaps, but it will still be held up in court for fucking years.
18:37 < rhqq> Hunterkll: eveyr IP address that you collect (even in logs) fall under GDPR
18:37 <+A-KO> yes, logging falls under GDPR
18:37 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: only if that company can afford so
18:37 <+Hunterkll> *unless you're not tracking and/or profiling*
18:37 <@JollyRgrs> err, A-KO
18:37 < coderphive> A-KO exactly what we were told
18:37 < estranger> JollyRgrs: afford what the fine?
18:37 <+A-KO> coderphive: same here
18:37 < rhqq> because you collect them and law is so vague that "processing" takes log rotation into account as well
18:37 < coderphive> If you store it at all, it qualifies
18:37 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: no, the lawyers
18:37 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, that's the "oh shit, we're scared" approach
18:38 <+Hunterkll> PWC says otherwise
18:38 <+Hunterkll> *shrug*
18:38 < rhqq> Hunterkll: what's worse, every UE country has its own implementation
18:38 < rhqq> of gdpr
18:38 <+Hunterkll> why the fuck do you always say UE
18:38 <+Hunterkll> that bugs me
18:38 < rhqq> which makes shit even more complicated
18:38 < rhqq> EU
18:38 < rhqq> well, whatever
18:38 < rhqq> but youre right
18:39 < estranger> JollyRgrs: that's why it will be a middle of the road company.. won't be able to afford the representation and get the president set
18:39  * JollyRgrs snickers
18:39 <@JollyRgrs> you think they'll get the president set with a middle of the road company?
18:39 <+Hunterkll> GDPR long term is a good thing
18:39 <@JollyRgrs> trump won't get involved at all
18:39 < estranger> The big boys are basically covered
18:39 <+Hunterkll> lolololl
18:39 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, precedent you wanker
18:40 < estranger> Oops
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: just because i understood the context around it, doesn't mean i can't poke fun at it
18:40 < estranger> Swyping plus I can't spell
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> no, you spelled right
18:41 < int0x1C8> the battery in this brand new surface 4 won't charge at all
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> dictation might get it wrong, but not swiping
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: have you tried plugging it in yet?
18:42 < SynMonger> swipers no swiping
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> are any lights on at teh house?
18:42 < estranger> It does if you can't spell
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> SynMonger: gotta say it 3 times
18:42 <@JollyRgrs> and get everyone to join you
18:42 < gnupluslinux> Samsung swipe is kinda hit it miss at ties
18:42 < gnupluslinux> Times
18:42 <+Hunterkll> tho i mean
18:42 <+Hunterkll> even if GDPR does per say affect you
18:43 <+Hunterkll> webserver logging is explicitly allowed
18:43 <+Hunterkll> *without* consent
18:43 <+Hunterkll> for security reasons, etc
18:43 < coderphive> No
18:43 < gnupluslinux> Gdpr as in the eu data collection thing?
18:43 < coderphive> I don't know where you got that
18:43 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, Article 6, Paragaraph 1, Point F
18:43 <+Hunterkll> “The processing of personal data to the extent strictly necessary and proportionate for the purposes of ensuring network and information security, i.e. the ability of a network or an information system to resist, at a given level of confidence, accidental events or unlawful or malicious actions that compromise the availability, authenticity, integrity and confidentiality of stored or transmitted personal data, an
18:43 <+Hunterkll> d the security of the related services offered by, or accessible via, those networks and systems,
18:43 <+Hunterkll> by providers of electronic communications networks and services and by providers of security technologies and services, constitutes a legitimate interest of the data controller concerned. This could, for example, include preventing unauthorised access to electronic communications networks and malicious code distribution and stopping ‘denial of service’ attacks and damage to computer and electronic communicat
18:43 <+Hunterkll> ion systems.”
18:43 < coderphive> Yeah and that's contradicted
18:43 < catbeard> My name is "The Plague"
18:44 < Church-> So I'm reimplemting TCP/IP
18:44 <+Hunterkll> er, that's recital 49
18:44 < Church-> I don't know why I thought this was a good idea.
18:44 <+Hunterkll> which is the basis for artical 5's point F
18:44 <+Hunterkll> *6
18:44 <+Hunterkll> Processing shall be lawful only if and to the extent that at least one of the following applies
18:44 <+Hunterkll> explicitly defining lawful processing
18:44 < SynMonger> All your grandmas are about to call for some tech support, https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/05/hackers-infect-500000-consumer-routers-all-over-the-world-with-malware/
18:44 <+Hunterkll> just encrypt your shit and have decent retention policies
18:44 <+Hunterkll> tl;dr
18:45 < catbeard> ya if you sign a contract with a company that states that it supercedes GDPR, all good
18:45 <+Hunterkll> oh, and don't back up logs
18:45 < catbeard> fuck that
18:45 <+Hunterkll> but really, backing up logs is wasted storage space anyway
18:46 < catbeard> fuckin brits can eat my grep
18:46 <+A-KO> SynMonger: at least attribution is getting better. It used to be all over the industry that if a russian IP appeared in your logs, then Russia was hacking you, obviously.
18:46 <+Hunterkll> fuck that
18:46 < catbeard> i'll post that shit on every website
18:46 <+Hunterkll> do you know how much fucking space that would take?
18:46 <+Hunterkll> christ
18:46 < catbeard> when they request it be removed
18:46 < coderphive> @Hunterkll http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-12-46_en.htm?locale=en
18:46 <+Hunterkll> i use paranoid level logging
18:46 < catbeard> like why would we alter logs, because you're special, get the fuck over yourself
18:46 < coderphive> Hunterkll Personal data is any information relating to an individual, whether it relates to his or her private, professional or public life. It can be anything from a name, a photo, an email address, bank details, your posts on social networking websites, your medical information, or your computer's IP address. The EU Charter of Fundamental Rights says that everyone has the right to personal data protection in all aspects of
18:46 < coderphive>  life: at home, at work, whilst shopping, when receiving medical treatment, at a police station or on the Internet.
18:46 <+Hunterkll> The requested URL /avservices/player/jwplayer/player46485.swf was not found on this server.
18:46 < DomLS3> holy fuck are we still going on about gdpr
18:46 < coderphive> That overrides what you said
18:46 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, which is why they codified an exception for network security
18:47 < coderphive> You're dreaming
18:47 < DomLS3> can we get some tits and ass in this conversation or something?
18:47 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm dreaming the text in the lalw?
18:47 <+Hunterkll> ... lalw
18:47 < coderphive> You're _hoping_ that small paragraph means anything
18:47 < DomLS3> pfsense
18:47 < catbeard> lawl
18:47 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, it's a sub paragraph for a section of the law defining acceptable data processing
18:48 < coderphive> I guess we'll see ^_^
18:48 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the key points are retention period and sanitization after it's no longer usable for that exception
18:48 <+Hunterkll> and access security
18:48 < estranger> I just talked for 2 hours now my throat is killing me
18:48 < coderphive> Also
18:48 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, but yes your .eu link failed for me
18:49 <+Hunterkll> lol
18:49 < coderphive> You quoted Article 48 right?
18:49 < catbeard> ya well when all the APT ends up being EU citizens
18:49 <+Hunterkll> Article 6
18:49 < catbeard> that law will quickly be ... amended
18:49 <+Hunterkll> with Recital 49
18:49 < gnupluslinux> Church- beej's guide?
18:49 < Casteil> still no fedex
18:50 < Casteil> they better not deliver at the last minute of their window
18:51 <+A-KO> guess I'll have lunch at the airport
18:51 <+A-KO> woo
18:51 <+Hunterkll> lol
18:51 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, WA ?
18:52 <+A-KO> ya
18:52 < Heresiarch> felda: have you fiddled with the SG-1000 at all?
18:53 < coderphive> eugdpr.org is being ddos'd
18:53 < coderphive> lmao
18:53 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-49/
18:54 < coderphive> yeah that has to do with companies like Amazon
18:54 <+Hunterkll> ....?!
18:54 < coderphive> Amazon gets rights that you, as a company, don't
18:55 <+Hunterkll> How, exactly, do you read that?
18:55 <+Hunterkll> https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/
18:55 <+Hunterkll> since under para 1 point f, that shows i have a legitimate interest
18:55 < coderphive> Cloud providers like AWS, GCP, Azure are defined differently
18:55 <+Hunterkll> that says nothing about cloud providers
18:55 < felda> Heresiarch no
18:55 <+Hunterkll> absolutely nothing
18:55 <+Hunterkll> a single web server is legally an information system
18:55 <+Hunterkll> a desktop computer is an information system
18:55 < coderphive> Hunterkll cloud providers are "controllers"
18:55 < coderphive> That's why I said talk to a legal firm
18:56 <+Hunterkll> no
18:56 <+Hunterkll> data controller is the person who controls the actual data
18:56 < coderphive> That's not 100% true
18:56 < coderphive> not in the GDPR anyway
18:56 <+Hunterkll> (7) ‘controller’ means the natural or legal person, public authority, agency or other body which, alone or jointly with others, determines the purposes and means of the processing of personal data; where the purposes and means of such processing are determined by Union or Member State law, the controller or the specific criteria for its nomination may be provided for by Union or Member State law;
18:56 < dragonfleas> damn
18:57 < dragonfleas> i posted a thread on sysadmin asking for advice on exchange migrations
18:57 < dragonfleas> 30 minutes later no response
18:57 < dragonfleas> never have that happen
18:57 < Church-> gnupluslinux: Yep
18:57 < Church-> Is there a better guide? :P
18:57 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, in the case of my web server logs, i am the natural or legal person
18:57 < coderphive> Hunterkll talk to a legal firm
18:57 <+Hunterkll> in the case of amazon, amazon is the legal person
18:58 <+Hunterkll> the data controller is the principal party responsible for colecting consent, managing consent revoking, enabling right to access, etc
18:58 <+Hunterkll> basically the one dictating the internal policies
18:58 < coderphive> I think the GDPR is useless, the firm we used was pretty explicit
18:58 < derpingit> whadap everyone
18:58 < coderphive> So go take risks if you want
18:58 < coderphive> It's your money
18:58 <+Hunterkll> i'm not taking risks
18:58 < coderphive> heh okay
18:58 <+Hunterkll> i'm just finding other sources to find what PWC and other firms have told us
18:58 < rhqq> it's all about money, from fees put on companies that are not compliant
18:58 < coderphive> ^
18:59 < rhqq> PCIDSS is enough for the data safety
18:59 < coderphive> Try to play loopholes
18:59 < rhqq> yeah
18:59 < coderphive> I'm sure they'll just fuck you in the end
18:59 < rhqq> that's pretty much it
18:59 <+Hunterkll> not playing any loopholes here
18:59 < coderphive> Sure you are
18:59 <+Hunterkll> data controller in GDPR is pretty damn well defined
18:59 < rhqq> Hunterkll: you're american
18:59 <+Hunterkll> https://gdpr-info.eu/art-24-gdpr/
18:59 < coderphive> You're trying to ride the edge of it
18:59 < rhqq> you have no idea how european contries and their govts work
18:59 < coderphive> ^
18:59 < servchaN> much better than usa's govt
19:00 <+Hunterkll> we've had PWC and two law firms tell us things along these lines
19:00 < rhqq> not really
19:00 < servchaN> crooks!
19:00 <+Hunterkll> so
19:00 < rhqq> it's just different
19:00 <+Hunterkll> i assume we've spent enough money so far as a 120k person multinational
19:00 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:00 < rhqq> and your american approach is absolutely invalid, you have no feel of how is it going to end up being
19:00 < coderphive> Cool, then I'm sure they'll defend you on retainer
19:00 < servchaN> US Govt is Homeland of Sexual Harrassment
19:00 < coderphive> my company can't afford that risk
19:00 < coderphive> so we'll button up everything
19:01 < rhqq> govt agencies in most countries of EU are just to make you suffer under legal burden
19:01 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, under my interpretation you still have to sanitize logs after they're no longer technically valid to provide defense, encrypt them, and manage access to them
19:01 <+Hunterkll> so
19:01 < coderphive> nobody cares about your interpretation
19:01 < coderphive> I think that's what you don't get
19:01 <+Hunterkll> 'my' being the one presented by the people i've been told
19:01 <+Hunterkll> i used 'my' as a shorthand for typing out a bunch of shit
19:02 < rhqq> Hunterkll: you see this from the standpoint of "what do we need to do to deal with european customers" and that's all
19:02 < coderphive> If there's a chance that it can be interpreted one way, a large majority of small and medium businesses will follow that way
19:02 < rhqq> and it's a valid point
19:02 < rhqq> but not a big picture
19:02 < ebol4> Hunterkll: what is this, perl
19:02 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, and our interpretation is that we've got to shore up some policies regarding logging, but that we can still log, just have to trash after X days when they're no longer useful
19:02 < dragonfleas> i think
19:02 < dragonfleas> i'm pushing my boss to let me migrate to Office 365
19:02 <+Hunterkll> except .... some of our logging systems tie into US government data sharing agreements which we can't abandon
19:02 <+Hunterkll> so
19:02 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:03 < dragonfleas> is office 365 very cost effective?
19:03 < coderphive> Then ride on that
19:03 < coderphive> but we won't take that risk
19:03 <+Hunterkll> but the ones that don't
19:03 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, well, it's the US government giving /us/ the data
19:03 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:03 < coderphive> Cool
19:03 < servchaN> dragonfleas only if it's a small environment
19:03 <+Hunterkll> but the ones that don't we're taking all the steps i've outlined
19:03 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: you've certainly got a good case to do so, especially if you off-handedly mention that your existing mail crap is way EOL/EOS. And O365 offers heavy discounting for non-profits.
19:03 <+Hunterkll> sanitize logs after they're no longer useful, encrypt, control access, etc
19:03 < asimon> dragonfleas: Isn't it a little soon to be asking for favors from your boss after you destroyed the entire it department earlier this week
19:03 <+Hunterkll> GDPR doesn't say you can't log
19:03 < coderphive> We're interacting with municipal governments, it doesn't really mean anything different
19:03 <+Hunterkll> it just says you gotta handle it sanely
19:04 < coderphive> The broader interpretation is you have to tell people you log and store cookies
19:04 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, to be fair, the data we're receiving is active threat intelligence data, not really log files per say, but still
19:04 < coderphive> That's what we're doing
19:04 < coderphive> "Hey, we log your IP and store cookies"
19:04 < coderphive> kthx
19:04 < Church-> Man, fucking Jenkins.
19:04 < Church-> And it's fucking plugins.
19:04 < Heresiarch> asimon: it's not a "favor" to propose moving to a system that works better, is fairly cost-effective, and is vastly less likely to involve disaster-level failures.
19:05 < coderphive> Church- unsolicited advice: automate them
19:05 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, the main things we were told were "Encryption, access control, and deletion"
19:05 < asimon> Is that how the bossman/bosswoman/bossperson will see it?
19:05 < coderphive> Hunterkll that's definitely part of it
19:05 < coderphive> Consent is the other pillar
19:05 < dragonfleas> asimon, that wasn't my fault buddy, it was previous admin not getting everything up to date and leaving me with a 2003 r2 mess
19:05 <+Hunterkll> to collect logs with implicent consent
19:05 < Heresiarch> asimon: boss sees, "we almost lost email". Boss likely doesn't understand (or care) why.
19:05 <+Hunterkll> implicit consent is allowed
19:05 < coderphive> especially for PWA's, APPs and websites
19:06 < asimon> dragonfleas: I know, just giving you shit
19:06 < coderphive> Cool, then use that interpretation. We won't.
19:06 < coderphive> We're averting risk
19:06 <+Hunterkll> it's codified
19:06 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, I've explained that, he wants to upgrade to 2016 from 2007, but I let him know that it would involve almost unbearable amount of work for me and I have no experience migrating and co-existing on prem, that i only have experience migrating to O365
19:06 < coderphive> heh
19:06 < Church-> coderphive: It is automated. Dealing with unfixed bugs in widely used plugins.
19:06 < coderphive> You're thinking about this in way too binary of terms. Courts are not binary.
19:07 <+Hunterkll> no, but explicit exemptions are well rounded defenses
19:07 <+Hunterkll> now
19:07 < coderphive> Just like our constitution isn't taken word for word
19:07 <+Hunterkll> our constitution is anything but explicit
19:07 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: https://products.office.com/en-us/nonprofit/office-365-nonprofit-plans-and-pricing?tab=1
19:07 <+Hunterkll> that's why it's so fucking handwavy
19:07 < coderphive> And you can afford to defend them, a majority of companies cant
19:07 <+Hunterkll> it's really a moot point
19:07 < coderphive> so they'll use risk aversion
19:07 <+Hunterkll> i don't even know why we're doing this exercise as a company
19:07 <+Hunterkll> we literally only service the US government
19:07 <+Hunterkll> loll
19:07 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: provide costing for licenses for all the interim versions of exchange/windows that you'd have to move to. Then show him the costs on that link.
19:07 < coderphive> like my company
19:07 <+Hunterkll> 99% of our employees are US citizens
19:07 < coderphive> tbh
19:08 <+Hunterkll> even our european offices are on US soil (military b ases, embasies)
19:08 <+Hunterkll> so why we're even concerned boggles me
19:08 <+Hunterkll> but whatever
19:08 < coderphive> My company provides services to a municipal government, the municipality is actually responsible for notifying users.
19:08 <+Hunterkll> we're quite clearly outside of territorial scope but doing this 'just in case'
19:08 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, so the municipality is the data controller in your case then, sounds like, you're just the processor
19:08 < coderphive> Right, but they access our SaaS
19:09 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, we already have a 2013 license
19:09 <+Hunterkll> the controller's the one responsible for disclosure
19:09 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:09 < dragonfleas> microsoft just gave us one for free
19:09 < coderphive> So in the end we end up notifying all users by default
19:09 <+Hunterkll> sketchy
19:09 <+Hunterkll> you're gathering the data under contract for said municpality, right?
19:10 < Heresiarch> dragonfleas: then spec out your time (including all the research) and likelihood of failure, given that you've never migrated on-prem before. Do not phrase it as "unbearable amount of work" - phrase it as "we could be down for several days".
19:11 < Heresiarch> then show him the link. Include that the cost for Office + O365 mail includes upgrades for Office while the subscription is maintained.
19:11 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, huh, here's an interesting question, if the US government authorizes an arms deal of missiles to an EU country, and we're the manufacturer, but the US government is handling all the details, ... nah, wouldn't fall into scope since we're not handling any data or collecting anything
19:11 < dragonfleas> Heresiarch, i already phrased it as 4 or 5 days of potential downtime, with potentially more if stuff fails, or there are unpredictable issues with migration.
19:11 <+Hunterkll> we're just collecting money and giving the government missiles to send to the EU
19:12 < dragonfleas> These are the times I wish I had another more senior admin to mentor me
19:12 < dragonfleas> I really need to get a junior position with the next org i go to
19:12 <+Hunterkll> ah, well
19:13 <+Hunterkll> we do have some business units that do commercial aviation and sell to countries like Qatar
19:13 <+Hunterkll> but i highly doubt you buy a gulfstream jet off a webstie
19:13 <+Hunterkll> site
19:13 < dragonfleas> Dormamu, I've come to bargain.
19:13 < grumplestiltzkin> g6, add to cart
19:14 <+Hunterkll> coderphive, that might make a bit more sense why we have some GDPR consultants then - civilian business that isn't really web based
19:14 <+Hunterkll> huh
19:14 <+Hunterkll> i've flown in aircraft serviced by us
19:14 <+Hunterkll> neat
19:15 <+Hunterkll> grumplestiltzkin, my employer services aircraft all over the world for major airlines. scared yet?
19:15 <+A-KO> I should shower while my clothes are drying...
19:16 <+A-KO> would make sense
19:16 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, $employer has major aircraft service/overhaul centers all over the world. hope you don't fall out of the sky
19:16 < Heresiarch> Hunterkll: given that your employer is (likely) not nearly as nuts as you are, not really.
19:16 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, ..... moreso
19:16 <+Hunterkll> moreso
19:16 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, most of their MRO facilities are outside of the US so that they can avoid FAA regs
19:16 <+Hunterkll> but that's the same for any MRO provider
19:17 <+Hunterkll> I think they only have one US facility
19:17 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:17 < grumplestiltzkin> I don't fly or leave Texas unless absolutely necessary
19:17 < Heresiarch> Hunterkll: true. But unless your employer services Allegiant, the guidelines around aircraft maintenance are fairly stringent.
19:17 <+Hunterkll> bahahahahahahahahahah
19:18 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, yes, and the FAA has no budget to send out inspectors
19:18 <+Hunterkll> and companies know this
19:18 < Casteil> getting a little tired of waiting for my XPS
19:18 < Casteil> I thought Fedex delivered to our business earlier in the day, not the afternoon :\
19:18 < Heresiarch> Truth. But even without that, the impact of bad publicity inherent in a crash tends to help keep things going. For now.
19:19 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, I found a 2005, 2011, and 2013 article calling inspections inadequat, and a 2015 article saying the FAA was closing its international field offices
19:19 <+Hunterkll> llol
19:19 < Casteil> (second day delivery too..)
19:19 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, oh, it's usually not bad enough for a crash
19:19 <+Hunterkll> just a cowling falling off, a control surfaec malfunction, etc
19:20 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, alll international FAA inspectors are now in miami and dallas, and of course, travel costs being what they are....
19:22 < Heresiarch> sure. Still not enough to scare me. Yet. With the exception of Allegiant, and SW's engine issues (which they rightfully took a beating on), even the industry guidelines are fairly decent.
19:22 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, oh? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/business/united-airlines-faa-fine.html
19:22 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:22 <+Hunterkll> sure
19:22 <+Hunterkll> commercial aviation is the safest it's ever been
19:23 <+Hunterkll> but that's also a factor of design improvements and upgrades
19:23 <+Hunterkll> cutting corners is rampant
19:23 <+Hunterkll> i mean, i'm not scared, i also fly every other weekend...
19:23 <+Hunterkll> doesn't mean it's not a reality
19:23 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:24 < Heresiarch> absolutely. But until there's a new administration (or possibly a major crash), any concept of expanding FAA inspections is fantasy.
19:24 <+Hunterkll> oh FAA inspections have been shrinking for 2 decades now
19:24 <+Hunterkll> administration change won't help
19:24 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:24 < Heresiarch> to say nothing about giving the FAA teeth to bite into offenders.
19:25 <+A-KO> flight to Seattle is about 2.5 hours or so
19:25 <+A-KO> not too bad
19:25 <+A-KO> almost 3-ish
19:26 < Astr0_Belt> A-KO: How do you setup your WSUS testing lab? Is it a direct copy of prod or do you just a couple servers?
19:26 <+Hunterkll> http://www.aaoutsourcing.com/?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=675442
19:26 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:26 <+Hunterkll> Heresiarch, I like how I link a website critical of american airlines, which is pretty much the only airline i use
19:26 <+Hunterkll> :D
19:27 <+Hunterkll> oh my god
19:27 <+Hunterkll> i can't take them seroiusly
19:27 <+Hunterkll> http://www.aaoutsourcing.com/
19:27 <+Hunterkll> LOOK AT THIS GEOCITIES DESIGN
19:28 <+Hunterkll> http://www.aaoutsourcing.com/pics/EZE%20Hiring.jpeg
19:28 <+Hunterkll> lulz
19:30 <+Hunterkll> cryptic1, dis u ? http://wnep.com/2018/05/22/judge-orders-30-year-old-to-move-out-of-parents-home-in-surreal-court-hearing/
19:35 < hxcsp> i heard an interview of that guy on the radio after the ruling
19:35 < hxcsp> he was like "oh i want to move now.. its tense in the house"
19:35 < hxcsp> no shit your parents took you to fucking court you manchild
19:37 <+Hunterkll> loooooooooool
19:45 <+A-KO> once in a while, occasionally, someone tries to get into my Facebook account lol
19:45 <+Hunterkll> ever since i made an epic games account
19:45 <+Hunterkll> i get every other day failed login attempts
19:46 <+A-KO> haha
19:47 < gnupluslinux> No work today A-KO?
19:47 < Astr0_Belt> Hunterkll: Same, I've received two emails about it today.
19:47 < gnupluslinux> Mfw Hunterkll is +v
19:48 < gnupluslinux> Youplayadangerousgame.webm
19:49 < felda> anyone had to go in and work in an environment with no domain and mixed bag machines?
19:49 < Heresiarch> felda: yup.
19:50 < felda> there are only about 10 PCs so I could run something like Speccy or Belarc on each one
19:52 < estranger> I speacka the engleesh
19:52 < estranger> very very good I do
19:52 < rhqq> engrish
19:54 <+Hunterkll> ehr
19:54 <+Hunterkll> mah
19:54 <+Hunterkll> gerd
19:54 <+Hunterkll> i can see my fish again
19:54 <+Hunterkll> and they're going crazy now that they have light
19:54 <+Hunterkll> lol
19:54 <+Hunterkll> also
19:54 <+Hunterkll> how fucking long is this goddamn tetra going to live its like 6 years old now
19:55 < int0x1C8> its the highlander
19:55 < catbeard> it's in the same house as a Beta
19:55 < catbeard> it'll be fine
19:57 < coderphive> all of you
19:57 < coderphive> back to work
19:57 < coderphive> also, Hunterkll is a beta
19:58 < estranger> Her palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
19:58 < estranger> There's errors on her console already, kubernetes
19:58 < coderphive> lame
19:58 < coderphive> also, stolen from twitter
19:58 < estranger> def stolen, def more true than lame
19:59 < coderphive> I've not had that much trouble with k8s
19:59 < estranger> you dont work with stateful workloads in it then
20:00  * Heresiarch gets popcorn
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> :(
20:00 < estranger> lol
20:00 <+Hunterkll> STATEFUL? STATEFUL?
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> you know why this win10 VM keeps going down for someone who needs it or access to a critical migration?
20:00 <+Hunterkll> YOU WANT STATEFUL?
20:00 <+Hunterkll> HAVE SOME FORTH
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO SLEEP
20:01 < SynMonger> do the stateful
20:01 <+Hunterkll> FORTRAN
20:01 < estranger> ha
20:01 <+Hunterkll> FUCK YOU YOU GET FORTRAN NOW
20:01 <+Hunterkll> ONLY FORTRAN
20:01  * Hunterkll redefines the value of 4 
20:01 < coderphive> estranger that's not a bad thing
20:01 <+Hunterkll> I did that once by accident
20:01 <+Hunterkll> :(
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: lol
20:01 <+Hunterkll> 4+4 came out to 10
20:01 <+Hunterkll> >_<
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> 4=7
20:01 < estranger> no.. its not a bad thing that you arent using stateful sets
20:01 < estranger> but lots of people are
20:01 < int0x1C8> 4 =...= 4
20:01 < estranger> I think it's mostly dumb
20:02 < armbar22> hey
20:05 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: you use vs code for powershell, no?
20:05 <+Hunterkll> nah just ISE
20:09 <+A-KO> alrighty
20:09 <+Hunterkll> wank wank wank
20:10 <+Hunterkll> glad the news finally reported why you had to move ot california
20:10 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:10 <+Hunterkll> LOOOOOL
20:10 <+A-KO> lololol
20:10 <+A-KO> okay
20:10 <+A-KO> shit's packed up
20:10 <+Hunterkll> A-KO, trump finally learned how to pull out!
20:10 <+A-KO> I'm ready to head to the airport
20:11 < felda> anyone gonna go see Solo tonight?
20:11 <+A-KO> hey Hunterkll did you ever get your Switch?
20:11 <+Hunterkll> ya
20:11 <+Hunterkll> got here fine
20:11 <+A-KO> think I'm all fucking packed
20:11 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:11 < SynMonger> you mean download a bad cam of Solo tonight?
20:12 <+Hunterkll> ^
20:12 <+Hunterkll> XviD
20:12 <+Hunterkll> 120p
20:12 <+Hunterkll> shaky
20:12 <+Hunterkll> crying baby
20:12 < int0x1C8> solo?
20:12 < felda> int0x1C8 yeah the movie about Han Solo
20:13 < int0x1C8> wait what
20:13 < felda> premiering tonight
20:13 <+Hunterkll> SOMEONE'S MISSING SOMETHING
20:14 <+Hunterkll> int0x1C8, you're also missing this - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/empire-strips-back-burlesque-star-wars_us_5b02f18de4b0463cdba4c1da
20:15 < felda> is it possible to export local GPOs to import on other PCs?
20:16 < vinrock> http://www.frickelsoft.net/blog/?p=31
20:16 <+Hunterkll> yes
20:16 < vinrock> read that
20:16 < felda> thanks fam
20:16 < vinrock> no doubt
20:16 < felda> wait fuck
20:16 < felda> these are Windwos 10 Home I would importing to
20:17 < vinrock> eh
20:17 < felda> and Windows 10 Home doesn't have GPEDIT.MSC :(
20:17 < vinrock> give it a shot
20:17 < vinrock> oh
20:17 < vinrock> womp womp
20:17 <+Hunterkll> hahaha
20:17 <+Hunterkll> felda, hand make .reg files bro
20:17 < felda> I guess I'm going to make a registry key
20:18 < int0x1C8> Hunterkll, christ my boner
20:18 <+Hunterkll> saw an ad for that while i was in LA two weeks ago
20:18 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:19 <@JollyRgrs> felda: yeah, it's just files in a folder
20:19 < felda> o rly?
20:19 <@JollyRgrs> as far as exporting/importing local policies
20:20 <@JollyRgrs> C:\windows\System32\GroupPolicy
20:20 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, he said he's using home
20:20 <+Hunterkll> home doesn't read that
20:20 <+Hunterkll> fuckin pleb
20:20 < felda> it's at the radio station where my new side gig is at :(
20:21 < felda> Windows 10 keeps rebooting and crashing drivers on their production machines that they broadcast on
20:21 < felda> and it's been too long so I can't roll it back to Win 7 :(
20:21 <+Hunterkll> you know there's a setting to stop driver updates right?
20:21 < felda> the problem is more the windows update rebooting and stopping their critical radio broadcasting apps
20:21 < servchaN> only if girls had settings to adjust the policy
20:21 <+Hunterkll> felda, tell them to upgrade to pro
20:21 <+Hunterkll> and set maintence windows
20:22 < felda> LOL
20:22 < felda> if only it were that easy
20:22 <+Hunterkll> quit
20:22 < servchaN> relocate
20:22 <+Hunterkll> WU4B settings are what you need
20:22 <+Hunterkll> home does not have them
20:22 <+Hunterkll> at alll
20:22 < servchaN> to alaska
20:22 <+Hunterkll> start a job sucking cock
20:22 < servchaN> retire and pond fish
20:23 <+Hunterkll> pound fish
20:23 <+Hunterkll> fuck a giant fish's brains out
20:23 < servchaN> pound it guud
20:23 < int0x1C8> fly into the sun
20:23 < int0x1C8> now I'm dead
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> felda: they need pro
20:23 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> just a reg key change, don't have to reinstall
20:23 <+Hunterkll> felda, also its like $60-90 update
20:23 <+Hunterkll> from the MS store even
20:23 <+Hunterkll> don't even have to use keys
20:23 < felda> I have already drawn up all that stuff and have made proposals
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> also a win10 HOME desktop should not be running the entire broadcast
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> that's just bad
20:24 <+Hunterkll> ^^^^^
20:24 < felda> Their budget is currently limited
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> might as well run a win98se box for that
20:24 < servchaN> fix it
20:24 < felda> and they are in the process of being broken up and bought out
20:24 < int0x1C8> "so in the average day of the boss you cut your balls off and die?"
20:24 <+Hunterkll> felda, it's lless than $200 limited?
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> felda: 2 hrs of your time and they've already paid for it
20:24 <+Hunterkll> felda, oh, tell 'em they're fucked then
20:24 <+Hunterkll> srsly
20:24 < servchaN> fuqed
20:24 < felda> it's getting bought out by my current boss which is part of why I was brought on
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> felda: just ask the owner to give a quick handy or two to get the cash
20:25 < felda> so in a year it will be under my boss's management
20:25 <+Hunterkll> oh well
20:25 <+Hunterkll> tell 'em it's this way or not
20:25 < servchaN> fuq all day fuq all night
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> IT doesn't sugar coat the impossible
20:25 < felda> right now imagine this radio station is run by scroodge mcduck
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> felda: tell scrooge he'll lose more listeners if the station keeps going down
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> scrooge will approve costs at that point
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> or... he doesn't care and GTFO
20:25 < felda> I off-handedly mentioned this was something that could be set by the registry and it was free to do that and it was too late ;_;
20:26 < servchaN> life is like a dyck when it gets hard fuq it
20:26 <+Hunterkll> you fucking idiot
20:26 <+Hunterkll> it's not
20:26 <+Hunterkll> felda, you /might/ scrape by disabling the windows update service
20:26 <+Hunterkll> but that'll only help you once a month
20:26 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:26 <+Hunterkll> and it likes to re-enable itself on home
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> felda: under further review, it cannot be done because that was under the premise THAT YOU USED SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE HOME EDITION TO RUN YOUR COMPANY!"
20:26 < felda> Hunterkll that's really literally the only thing they care about
20:26 <+Hunterkll> felda, tell them "I can do X, but it tends to re-enable itself, so it's not guaranteed"
20:26 < felda> JollyRgrs upgrading PCs is pretty much at the top of my list
20:27 < felda> they are running Core2Duos with 2GB of RAM and 32bit Windows 10 home
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> oh barf
20:27 < servchaN> sick rig
20:27 < silentfury-s4pro> sounds like a sound fiscal choice there
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> 32bit?
20:27 < int0x1C8> nut up you pussy
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> b/c it was updated from 32-bit win7
20:27 < felda> yes
20:27 < servchaN> play solitarrie with it
20:27 < felda> for real 32bit
20:27 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, on that hardware yes you better run 32 bit
20:27 < felda> it WAS 32bit win7
20:27 < felda> then auto update kicked on and now they are 32bit Win10
20:27 < int0x1C8> tell them it be like it is because it do
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: well, only b/c 2gb ram
20:28 < felda> "We got a good price and they were cheap"
20:28 < felda> oh yeah I'm sure they were
20:28 < Hatter> but when I try to export a key from palo alto the page just refreshes and nothing happens
20:28 < felda> but don't worry about that
20:28 <@JollyRgrs> "they were cheap, or YOU were cheap? HUH?!?!?? HUH?!?!"
20:28 < felda> I'm about to show them the fuckin light
20:28 < felda> I'm bringing in a Win 10 Pro, 16GB of RAM, 500GB SSD machine for the boss to use to replace her computer because it's dying
20:28 < felda> SHE WILL SEE THE LIGHT
20:28 < int0x1C8> THEY DON'T THINK IT BE LIKE IT IS
20:28 < int0x1C8> BUT IT DO
20:29 < Hatter> felda: Now that I know what I feel must be right, I'm here to show everybody the light
20:29 < felda> her mind is about to explode
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> felda: her head asplode?
20:29 < felda> yes
20:29 < felda> it will be juicy
20:31 < felda> looks like I need to remake my utility USB
20:33 < felda> gotta get that sysinternal suite
20:33 < felda> gsmart control to check hard drives
20:34 < asimon> Just got a copy of a lease for my new place - They could have made it two clauses instead of a 25 page doc. It should have been "I agree to give the landlord lots of money and the only thing they'll give me is this space, as is with no guarantees about anything. I also agree not to sue the landlord for anything ever."
20:34 < asimon> Would have been more succinct
20:35 < int0x1C8> lawyers love to pontificate
20:47 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: The ISE is complete and in maintenance mode - you can use it, depend on it, but know that no new features will be coming.
20:48 <@Code_Man65> Yep, there will not be a Windows PowerShell v6
20:48 < silentfury-s4pro> really?
20:48 < felda> but why tho?
20:48 <@Code_Man65> Yes, really
20:48 < Heresiarch> PS Core?
20:49 < silentfury-s4pro> or is it just "PowerShell" now with an ever evolving date/year release
20:49 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, yea they said that about powershell too
20:49 <+Hunterkll> so who cares
20:49 <+Hunterkll> it works
20:49 <@Code_Man65> Because it's now open-source and cross platform (as is VS Code)
20:49 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: they said powershell is in maint mode?
20:49 <@JollyRgrs> or just 5.1?
20:49 <@Code_Man65> Just 5.1
20:49 < felda> are they going to just keep it where it's at then?
20:49 < silentfury-s4pro> link?
20:49 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, Snover said powershell is complete
20:49 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:49 < Heresiarch> so will the open source version be installed by default on upcoming releases of WinServer?
20:49 <@Code_Man65> No, he said WINDOWS powershell is complete
20:50 < felda> ah fair
20:50 <@JollyRgrs> well, sure... powershell itself can be complete
20:50 <@Code_Man65> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/powershell/2018/01/10/powershell-core-6-0-generally-available-ga-and-supported/
20:50 <@JollyRgrs> they'll always be adding new modules, etc.
20:51 < Heresiarch> Powershell installable via apt/apt-get. Funny ol' world...
20:52 < ebol4> comrade o7
20:54 < Heresiarch> ah, but PS Core isn't guaranteed to have the same level of support with 1st party (MS-built) modules. There's the Microsoft that I remember.
20:58 < alazare619> didnt realize the moto x4 is project fi capable
20:58 < alazare619> kinda wish i would of got a moto x4 instead of the nexus 6p now
21:03 < giant_it_burrit> fucking shitstain
21:03 < giant_it_burrit> the docs are corrupt
21:03 < giant_it_burrit> no they arent
21:03 < giant_it_burrit> you are a useless piece of shit
21:03 < giant_it_burrit> you arent special
21:07 < asimon> o fuk
21:08 < gnupluslinux> Aw yeah time to riot
21:08 < gnupluslinux> No chanserv boye
21:09 < SpookyCrisp> My work computer
21:09 < SpookyCrisp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwxdBiazu8M
21:10 < ekaj> .bofh
21:13 < gnupluslinux> Mfw still no v
21:13 < ekaj> ++
21:15 <+giant_it_burrit> i was voiced?
21:15 <+giant_it_burrit> yay
21:15 < asimon> And nobody was surprised: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2018/05/24/an-amazon-echo-recorded-a-familys-conversation-then-sent-it-to-a-random-person-in-their-contacts-report-says/?noredirect=on
21:18 < ebol4> that happened
21:19 < Heresiarch> you mean an always-on iot device with a microphone can potentially leak recorded voice? I'M SHOCKED!
21:20 < ebol4> reaaaaaaally doubt that happened
21:20 < Heresiarch> ebol4: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/05/amazon-confirms-that-echo-device-secretly-shared-users-private-audio/
21:20 < xamithan> I don't see why people are so worried about echos
21:21 < gnupluslinux> Its the reverb ya gotta care about
21:21 < xamithan> smartphone has an always-on mic too and it can even leave your house
21:21 < xamithan> Oh and it tracks your every move on gps
21:21 < F34RInc> xamithan, just take the battery out, oh wait you cant.
21:22 < AnimalFarmPig> yes, but echo has a better mic
21:22 < ebol4> Heresiarch: genuinely surprised that that was even possible. like would amazon code in a feature that lets you send audio to someone else on your contacts. when would you ever use that
21:22 < Heresiarch> ebol4: "Alexa. Tell Joe I'm running late."
21:22 < xamithan> You can open the app and listen to anything you've said to it
21:23 < ebol4> why not just text them like a normal human being
21:23 <+giant_it_burrit> ?
21:23 < xamithan> What about deaf people?>.
21:24 <@ravioli> nickserv is having some problems btw
21:24 < AnimalFarmPig> maybe they're introduce an always on camera that send video of your house to Amazon servers 24/7, where gesture recognition systems will intepret any sign language the user makes
21:25 < xamithan> I think that story will come out that the person was using some kind of third party skill or IFTTT type thing though
21:25 <@ravioli> nickserv is having some very bad problems btw
21:25 < AnimalFarmPig> #anarchy
21:25 < xamithan> They already got that when you sign up for amazon door delivery
21:25 < asimon> ./nick cryptic1
21:25 < Heresiarch> xamithan: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=202136190 (stolen from the ars comment thread)
21:25 < xamithan> No i have not read the comments
21:26 < AnimalFarmPig> I haven't heard of this... <looks up amazon door delivery>
21:26 < felda> ooof Easy2Boot can be a bit of a hassle getting setup
21:27 <@JollyRgrs> felda: pfft, it's easy
21:27 <@JollyRgrs> ...2boot
21:27 < felda> hwahahahahahahha
21:27 < ebol4> how do blind people know someone is at their front dooor
21:27 < AnimalFarmPig> "In-Home Delivery" wtf, nothx
21:27 < felda> ravioli can you kick JollyRgrs?
21:27 < ebol4> no wait
21:27 < felda> :D thanks
21:27 < ebol4> i mean deaf people
21:28 < ebol4> i'm tired
21:28 < AnimalFarmPig> ebol4: doorbell is hooked up to lights that flash
21:28 < ebol4> that's what i was thinking
21:28 < ebol4> guess i'm a genius
21:30 < hxcsp> hey thanks
21:30 < hxcsp> ;D
21:30 <@ravioli> JollyRgrs: lol
21:30 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: lol, i was wondering if that was going to happen to you
21:31 < felda> turns out it's hard to fit Win7, Win10, and Win2012R2 ISOs on a 14GB flashdrive
21:31 <@ravioli> JollyRgrs: /mode +e *!*@*donger/pasta ?
21:31 < xamithan> Why don't you have one of those cool devices felda
21:32 < felda> xamithan I'm using an old external hdd to make easy2boot with 1TB of space :D
21:32 < felda> ALL THE IMAGES SHALL BE MINE
21:33 < xamithan> Still need a iodd2531
21:34 < hxcsp> save me
21:34 < voidstar> oh golly
21:34 < gnupluslinux> What
21:34 < SynMonger> welcome, honored guests
21:34 < Heresiarch> oops.
21:34 <@ravioli> ugh.
21:34 <@ravioli> JollyRgrs: can you please unbant me
21:34 < felda> that's what sucks about the new drive is I have to make some extra partitions and format all my Windows ISOs as .imgPTN files :(
21:35 <@ravioli> if that is still your name.
21:35 < felda> looks like we have a HOOLIGAN in this channel
21:35 < felda> -NickServ- Literally!NotLiteral@wow.such.literals.nowak-at.net failed to login to felda.
21:35 < SynMonger> u wot
21:36 < AnimalFarmPig> AMOK!
21:36 < AnimalFarmPig> STEAL ALL THE USERNAMES!
21:39 < hxcsp> THEY ARE OUT TO GET US
21:39 <@ravioli> kek
21:40 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: needful done, i am kindly reverting. pleased to be checking
21:42 < L3gacy> Good bacon unto all and unto all some good bacon!
21:42 < L3gacy> Server and FULL rack install next week on site!  *SQUEEE*
21:43 <@ravioli> alright guys, you're gonna wanna re-identify
21:43 <@JollyRgrs> why do they spend 20 minutes of our town hall meeting to go over the financial numbers?
21:43 < hxcsp> ~
21:43 < xamithan> There is a new party pizza
21:44 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: some folks care about that stuff.
21:44 < xamithan> pepperoni and bacon
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> either "we hit our goal, good job", "we fell short, pls do your best to support the money makers" or "we overacheived, i'll get a bigger bonus, so thanks"
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: we're IT only
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> i understand some ppl care...
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> but for our dept, it doesn't need to be that in-depth
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> if they care, they shold leave IT and get into mgmt
21:44 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: statement stands. And numbers speak louder than standard CEO-pep-talk b.s.
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> this isn't CEO talk
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> it is CIO talk
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> and no pep talk needed
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, tbh... it ain't like i'm gonna work harder tomorrow b/c we didn't meet our numbers
21:45 < int0x1C8> take nap, wake up when its over
21:45 <@JollyRgrs> nor will i get a special month-end bonus for hitting goals
21:45 < scwizard> actually had a productive day today
21:45 < scwizard> esp compared to yesturday
21:46 <+Hunterkll> yo i love gdpr
21:46 <+Hunterkll> no more need for whoisguard
21:46 <+Hunterkll> lmao
21:46 <+Hunterkll> RIP an entire industry
21:46 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: wait, what?
21:46 < Nightcinder> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44247166
21:46 <@JollyRgrs> how does it do away w/ whoisguard?
21:47 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: so he just said "yeah, i asked girls if they had underwear and tried to lift their skirts... i didn't know it would make them uncomfortable! soz... sorry?"
21:48 < Nightcinder> lol
21:48 < int0x1C8> morgan freeman stares at nice tits?
21:48 < int0x1C8> color me shocked
21:49 <+Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, https://v4.gandi.net/whois
21:49 <+Hunterkll> look up 'kisarav6.com'
21:49 <+Hunterkll> that's one of my domains
21:49 < DomLS3> god damn how ironic would it be for morgan freeman to actually go to prison
21:49 < SynMonger> DOX
21:49 <+Hunterkll> SynMonger, hahahaha no more dox
21:49 < DomLS3> I mean.. the memes would be god like
21:49 <+Hunterkll> you can't dox from domains anymore
21:49 <+Hunterkll> ahahahahahahahahahhahaha
21:50 <+Hunterkll> and look through namecheap
21:50 <+Hunterkll> https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=kisaravps.com
21:50 <+Hunterkll> AHAHAHAAH
21:50 <+Hunterkll> no data at all
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> wow
21:50 < genr8_> how ?
21:50 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, GDPR
21:50 <+Hunterkll> :D
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> interesting
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> #thanksBritain
21:51 < Heresiarch> well, that'll be nice to save a couple of bucks on renewal.
21:51 <@JollyRgrs> #thanksEuros
21:51 <+Hunterkll> https://pastebin.ca/4032162 <-- the notice Gandi sent me
21:51 < SynMonger> that's nice
21:51 <+Hunterkll> SynMonger,  a couple? I had a $400 renewal coming up next week
21:51 <+Hunterkll> >_>
21:51 < xamithan> But my details are still there
21:51 <+Hunterkll> now it's like $270
21:51 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:51 < Heresiarch> holy crap...my domain is old enough to be legal.
21:51 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, well they better get on the up and up by friday
21:51 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:52 <+Hunterkll> hahaha
21:52 < xamithan> It is a .US TLD
21:52 <+Hunterkll> ah
21:52 <+Hunterkll> you have to be a US citizen etc
21:52 <+Hunterkll> Euros literally can't buy it
21:52 < SynMonger> oh god, I just looked up my domains too and it's all REDACTED FOR PRIVACY
21:52 < SynMonger> that's wonderful
21:52 < xamithan> it doesn't really bother me,  all the information I gave is fake
21:52 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, that's one of the few that's exempt from GDPR because you literally have to be a US citizen
21:52 <+Hunterkll> yea
21:52 <+Hunterkll> my .us is owned by steve jobs
21:52 <+Hunterkll> https://pastebin.ca/4032163 <-- here's what Sedo sent me too
21:52 < SynMonger> an entire industry of "private domains" is gone, just like that
21:52 < rhqq> sweet, already some domains are gdpr-affected by "hey, we've detected you're in eu, you're banned, yay!"
21:52 <+Hunterkll> poof
21:53 <+Hunterkll> rhqq, ?
21:53 <+Hunterkll> nothing is banned here
21:53 <+Hunterkll> just americans celebrating more privacy
21:53 <+Hunterkll> :D
21:53 < rhqq> http://www.phillytrib.com/
21:53 < genr8_> mine arent redacted
21:53 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, what registrar ?
21:53 < SynMonger> http://whois.dyndns.com/?domain=synmonger.com
21:53 < genr8_> namecheap
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> rhqq: you are banned from a newspaper website?
21:53 <+Hunterkll> and what tld
21:54 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, what tld?
21:54 < genr8_> idk im investigating further now.
21:54 < rhqq> JollyRgrs: 403 with "gdpr"
21:54 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, .... how do you not know what your domain ends with ...?
21:54 <+Hunterkll> .us ?
21:54 < genr8_> .site
21:55 < genr8_> one is whoisguard protected and the other is just wide open
21:55 < xamithan> I predict abuse@ contacts will be getting a lot more email and spam
21:56 <+Hunterkll> namecheap's results
21:56 <+Hunterkll> Some information that we collect, because we are required to do so contractually, must be shared with third parties. For example, Whois data is required to be shared with registries. For gTLDs, ICANN is implementing a “gated Whois” system where only certain fields will be publicly visible. However, unless you have chosen to protect yourself through a domain privacy service such as WhoisGuard, the full Wh
21:56 <+Hunterkll> ois details will be made accessible to law enforcement, intellectual property attorneys and other ICANN approved parties. We’ll let you know when we have a contractual or legal duty to collect and/or share information in this way.
21:56 <+Hunterkll> For some products or services that you purchase, data will be collected directly by the third-party service provider and they will be considered the Data Controller for GDPR purposes. This will be true for most products and services purchased on our Apps Marketplace. Data collected by these third-parties directly will not fall under Namecheap’s GDPR responsibilities.
21:56 <+Hunterkll> there's still /some/ reasons to use whoisguard for sketchy domains
21:56 <+Hunterkll> but not much
21:56 <+Hunterkll> I have ICANN access to a lot of shit but not whois data
21:56 <+Hunterkll> surprisingly
21:56 <+Hunterkll> lloll
21:56 < gnupluslinux> I thought most domains were privated nowadays
21:56 <+Hunterkll> for an extra charge, sure
21:57 < xamithan> I'm going to complain that all my data is still there on a .us
21:57 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:57 <+Hunterkll> but that makes sense
21:57 <+Hunterkll> :P
21:57 <+Hunterkll> https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=tighterthanatwelveyearold.xyz
21:57 <+Hunterkll> see
21:57 < SynMonger> maybe they'll quit mailing me those fake bills for "domain renewal"
21:57 <+Hunterkll> that one isn't filtered
21:57 < gnupluslinux> I use google domains, probably bundled in cause it was just a checkmark for me with no extra cost
21:57 <+Hunterkll> but .com is filtered
21:57 <+Hunterkll> SynMonger, yes, whois data is how they get that
21:57 <+Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, yea you pay about the same with the addon at other registrars
21:57 <+Hunterkll> google is xpensive
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> and google domains is beta still
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> that's why i decided namecheap over google
21:58 <+Hunterkll> fucking google is beta still
21:58 < gnupluslinux> 12/yr for .com
21:58 <+Hunterkll> Gandi i only use for domains requiring v6 glue records
21:58 < gnupluslinux> Namecheaps like a dollar isnt ir
21:58 <+Hunterkll> since i can write my own zone file
21:58 < gnupluslinux> But super barebones
21:58 < genr8_> the price varies by tld
21:59 < gnupluslinux> Yeah i was referring mostly to .com
21:59 < xamithan> a dollar for the first year maybe
21:59 <+Hunterkll> 'super barebones' as in ?
21:59 < xamithan> after that it goes up to like 39.99
21:59 <+Hunterkll> for wat
21:59 < genr8_> nah its a dollar.
22:00 < xamithan> I think they price them by letter
22:00 <+Hunterkll> ?
22:00 <+Hunterkll> .com is $12/year on googllel
22:00 <+Hunterkll> what the hell are ya'll talking about
22:00 < genr8_> Hunterkll: something weird is happening. I can give you the domain of one of my sites. "autotrimps.site" and its coming back registered to some shit in the united arab emirates but im in the US.... and whoisguard is supposed to be on from namecheap
22:00 < genr8_> it seems like all my domains return weird results
22:00 < L3gacy> So, racking 2 Poweredge 230s, 3 24 port gb switches with 10gb fiber uplinks, a modem, and router, next week
22:00 <+Hunterkll> whoisguard is offered by namecheap
22:00 <+Hunterkll> it's not owned by namecheap
22:00 < L3gacy> *squeee*
22:01 <+Hunterkll> http://www.whoisguard.com/
22:01 < genr8_> i realize, but whoisguard is not "Return some random shit in the arab emirates"
22:01 < genr8_> why is that bullshit coming up for my domain
22:01 <+Hunterkll> idk
22:01 <+Hunterkll> what's it showing
22:02 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: b/c you are using whoisguard
22:02 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, my one xyz shows Panama
22:02 < genr8_> whoisguard SAYS whoisguard
22:02 <+Hunterkll> for the mailing address
22:02 <+Hunterkll> whoisguard got drop mailboxes in different countries to discourage spam mails
22:02 <+Hunterkll> that they need to forward to you
22:02 <+Hunterkll> lol
22:02 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: it shows a proxy location that acts on your behalf
22:02 <+Hunterkll> https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=tighterthanatwelveyearold.xyz
22:02 <+Hunterkll> yea that's normal
22:02 <+Hunterkll> see
22:02 < genr8_> my other whoisguard is in panama also
22:03 < genr8_> thats not what im showing for the other domain
22:03 < genr8_> look up autotrimps.site yourself
22:03 <+Hunterkll> it can vary
22:03 < xamithan> Maybe you got hacked
22:03 <+Hunterkll> they have more than one location...
22:03 < genr8_> It does look like that.
22:03 < genr8_> But i have 2FA on my phone
22:03 <@JollyRgrs> everyone on whoisguard doesn't have the same mailbox in panama
22:03 <+Hunterkll> you didn't get hacked....
22:03 < Nightcinder> https://www.anandtech.com/show/12805/asus-rog-swift-pg27uq-gsync-hdr-display-june-1999-dollars
22:03 < Nightcinder> :(
22:04 < genr8_> wow they were right $2000
22:04 < xamithan> That doesn't even say whoisguard though
22:04 < genr8_> xamithan: exactly. Its bunk . nobody is listening to me except you
22:05 < Hatter> wtf Hunterkll I clicked that link
22:05 < Hatter> because I click everything
22:05 < genr8_> I just logged into namecheap and checked the domain contacts and its all got my right info. and whoisguard is claimed to be on.
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: i'm listening... i just didn't care to research myself
22:05 < Heresiarch> genr8_: shows whoisguard active looking up from icann.
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> Heresiarch: what does he have on that site?
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> err, Hatter
22:05 < Heresiarch> Hatter: ...click on everything, you say?
22:05 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, errors in the whois system right now
22:05 <+Hunterkll> i think
22:06 < derpingit> hi guys. i'm looking to purchase a travel router that is able to work with captive portal hotspots. does anyone have a particular recomendation ?
22:06 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, look at https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=broniesorfurries.xyz
22:06 <+Hunterkll> i'm getting similar odd results
22:06 <+Hunterkll> even though it's whoisguarded
22:06 < xamithan> Well that guys named and company owns the .site TLD.  maybe the information just varies by tld
22:06 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, it's returning the REGISTRAR's information
22:06 < xamithan> https://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/site.html
22:06 < genr8_> Hunterkll: yeah man
22:06 <+Hunterkll> the gTLD management registrar
22:06 < gnupluslinux> derpingit wat
22:06 <+Hunterkll> Hatter, what you don't like my URL?
22:06 < genr8_> only certain domains are affected
22:06 <+Hunterkll> what's wrong with tighterthanatwelveyearold.xyz
22:07 <@JollyRgrs> i'm just wondering why he said "i just had to click it"
22:07 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, no - no - namecheap will be filtering all of them - but right now this is returning invalid results
22:07 <+Hunterkll> .xyz and .site are NOT PROPERLY RESOLVING
22:07 < gnupluslinux> ALL CAPS
22:07 < genr8_> i have another .site that properly shows as WhoisGuard
22:07 <+Hunterkll> it's not returning data for the .xyz - it's returning the registrar's whois server
22:07 < xamithan> It is wrong because it doesn't say tighterthanatwelveyearoldasian.xyz
22:07 <+Hunterkll> note the referer
22:08 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, looking at your data - https://www.namecheap.com/domains/whois/results.aspx?domain=autotrimps.site - note how it says the domain is SITE and the referer is shois.nic.site
22:08 <+Hunterkll> and the organization is DotSite, Inc
22:08 <+Hunterkll> that's the registrar
22:08 < genr8_> yeah good catch
22:08 <+Hunterkll> something's bunk in namecheap's whois
22:08 < genr8_> but now check mrlithium.site
22:08 < genr8_> thats valid
22:08 < xamithan> Whats what i just said
22:08 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, no you said it was hacked
22:08 < genr8_> lol
22:08 < scwizard> does anyone know if there's some aws api method to say like "terminate this instance 20 seconds from now"
22:08 < xamithan> <xamithan> Well that guys named and company owns the .site TLD.  maybe the information just varies by tld
22:08 < genr8_> i am always hack paranoid
22:08 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, implementation flaws i suppose
22:08 <+Hunterkll> last minute rush
22:09 <+CheckYourSix> Fuck. I was supposed to get out of work early today so I could drive to my parents' house ahead of the traffic. Right before I was going to leave, $VP turned some totally insignificant shit into a big deal and a couple of us had to stay until like 330. Once you pass 3pm, traffic is crazy. Now I have to wait all the way till like 8-9pm before I can leave. What a fucking waste getting packed and ready and taking everything to work
22:09 <+CheckYourSix> with me today.
22:09 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, xamithan - https://www.namecheap.com/about/privacy-commitment.aspx
22:09 <+Hunterkll> there's namecheap's info
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> CheckYourSix: could be worse...
22:09 < xamithan> whoisguard was a stupid idea anyway,  people just use fake information anyway
22:09 < genr8_> Hunterkll: i also have a .site domain of my Real name thats still returning my real name in the Whois info (not-protected on purpose)
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> you could live in a town with rush hour only lasting 1-2 hours and it really is just an extra 15 minutes or so, maybe 30 more when traffic is really at its worst
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> :P
22:10 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, if you use fake info, i can get ICANN to seize your domain for me
22:10 <+Hunterkll> if you use whoisguard, I can't
22:10 <+Hunterkll> not easily anyway
22:10 < scwizard> anyone :(
22:10 <+Hunterkll> fake info on a domain means i don't even need a court order
22:10 <+Hunterkll> :D
22:10 < SynMonger> scwizard: no idea, sorry
22:10 < xamithan> icann isn't going to do shit
22:10 < genr8_> I have 4 real-name domains with real-name-WHOIS for .online .site .website and .us TLDs
22:10 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, uh, ICANN is the one doing it
22:10 <+Hunterkll> https://indivigital.com/news/future-of-whois-data-still-unclear-as-icann-announces-temporary-solution-to-gdpr/
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: goes on witch hunts for sites w/ fake info to get htem shut down
22:10 <+CheckYourSix> JollyRgrs: Well, leaving from work to go to my parents' house is 1 hour 15 minutes at most. Right now, it's over 2 hours. So I went back home and now I wait.
22:10 < genr8_> and none of them are obscuring my whois
22:10 <+Hunterkll> https://www.zdnet.com/article/icann-makes-last-minute-whois-changes-to-address-gdpr-requirements/
22:11 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, see those two links
22:11 <@JollyRgrs> CheckYourSix: so that's just like 1 extra hour
22:11 <@JollyRgrs> that's just a great album's time
22:11 <+Hunterkll> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-registration-data-specs-en <-- ICANN themselves
22:11 <@JollyRgrs> crank it up and let the music blast
22:11 < xamithan> All icann says is that they contact you
22:11 <+CheckYourSix> JollyRgrs: At least. Could be longer one it backs up. Plus, too many stupid fucks on the road
22:11 < felda> oh shit
22:11 < xamithan> I'm not saying COMPLETELY fake information
22:11 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, no.... no ....
22:11 < felda> Hunterkll are you serious?
22:11 < xamithan> they could still use email
22:11 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, ICANN settlles domain name disputes
22:12 <+Hunterkll> dispute process /has/ succeeded for people before
22:12 < felda> cryptic1 really trying to take over the world
22:12 <+Hunterkll> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en
22:12 <+Hunterkll> welll, that's the trademark one
22:12 <+Hunterkll> not the info requirement one
22:12 <+Hunterkll> but still
22:12 <+Hunterkll> GDPR might make that whole avenue go away
22:12 < genr8_> I made the mistake once of putting my real cell phone number for a non whoisguard domain
22:13 <+Hunterkll> I seized an inactive domain onec that had false info
22:13 <+Hunterkll> :(
22:13 <+Hunterkll> we put it back to its original use
22:13 <+Hunterkll> but we had to go through like a 4 month process
22:13 < genr8_> luckily the spam calls only lasted a week after i changed it
22:13 <+Hunterkll> genr8_, put your bosses # on it
22:13 < xamithan> I used the number of a guy I hate
22:13 <+Hunterkll> preferrably on spaceclop.xyz
22:13 < xamithan> I put in his email too,  then signed him up for a bunch of porn mailers
22:13 < genr8_> i am the warranty
22:13 < derpingit> gnupluslinux wat
22:14 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, during the scientology protests in 2008, some guy who was a major ircop and had a huge target on his back later revealed he was using his grandparents address/info on domain registrations in the UK
22:14 <+Hunterkll> >_<
22:14 <+Hunterkll> https://www.bitlaw.com/internet/domain.html#disputes
22:14 <+Hunterkll> luuuulz
22:14 <+Hunterkll> i've used bitlaw before for domain issues
22:15 <+Hunterkll> the lawfirm who publishes it is top notch
22:16 < derpingit> lol. poor parents
22:16 <+Hunterkll> derpingit, the 30 year old who whined too much ?
22:16 <+Hunterkll> lol
22:16 < derpingit> if you;re that high up the foodchain, i'm sure you can hire yourself a lawyer and use their address
22:16 <+Hunterkll> oh
22:16 <+Hunterkll> derpingit, high value target as in what 4chan wanted
22:16 < derpingit> oH
22:16 <+Hunterkll> and we were doing lots of shady shit back then
22:17 <+Hunterkll> derpingit, there's a reason i mentioned scientology protests of 2008
22:17 <+Hunterkll> :P
22:17 < derpingit> there is nothing to stop 4chan mafia.
22:17 < derpingit> they're like the real life fight-club
22:17 <+Hunterkll> I also said 'ircop'
22:17 <+Hunterkll> there may have been some uh
22:17 <+Hunterkll> denying of service incidents
22:17 <+Hunterkll> and things like that
22:17 <+Hunterkll> and hijacking of things
22:17 <+Hunterkll> etc
22:17 < derpingit> ah sorry i missunderstood it for a "cop"
22:18 <+Hunterkll> nah ircop - irc operator - like, /kill /gline etc
22:18 < derpingit> like a top level cop or sumething.
22:18  * derpingit leaves convo
22:18 <+Hunterkll> I remember one day we got IRC working through cloudflare
22:18 <+Hunterkll> not for long
22:18 <+Hunterkll> but it was hilarious
22:18 < vinrock> aw shit yo
22:19 < vinrock> best comment on the battlefield 5 trailer youtube
22:19 < vinrock> Andrea Meszaros32 minutes ago I'd rather buy Winrar...
22:19 < derpingit> i very much remember being banned from using computers for like 3 months at my school for using shell irc
22:19 <+Hunterkll> I don't remember if we ever got shoutcast through clloudflare though
22:19 <+Hunterkll> think we just laundered some money through some accounts to pay for a shitty shoutcast provider
22:19 < xamithan> banned for using irc?  wtf
22:19 <+Hunterkll> xamithan, school computers yo, he has hekkin up a storm
22:19 < derpingit> yeah. chat was a no-no back then. computers were for educational purposes
22:20 <+Hunterkll> HACKER
22:20 < derpingit> bitches
22:20 < xamithan> I filled up 30 school comps with porn and had lan parties of quake2|duke3d and nothing ever happened
22:20 <+Hunterkll> lol
22:20 < derpingit> had a "friend" rat me out.. he got no porn from me after that
22:20 < xamithan> I even would enable share drives on the asian kids computers so everyone could steal their class work
22:21 < derpingit> lol that is genious
22:21 < rhqq> yeah :D
22:21 < vinrock> i got kicked out of highschool and went to one of those bad ones
22:22 < vinrock> junior year i convinced them to let me to go the normal hs for last two periods so i could take computer classes
22:22 < xamithan> Giving admin passwords to a class of HS students isn't very smart.  Even if they were the ones taking care of the novell system
22:22 < vinrock> i wasnt alowed to take programming classes because they were considered high level math
22:22 < rhqq> i remember sniffing packets on computer classes in secondary school, long time ago
22:22 < vinrock> so id correct the programming class kid's work that was on the computer i used and would leave all sorta comments on how much they suck
22:22 < derpingit> geesuz..
22:23 < derpingit> i was just reading the dark hotel story.. pretty interesting
22:23 < felda> what portable software do you guys carry around?
22:23 < ebol4> my school had plaintext admin passwords in either unattend.xml or some other script related to that
22:23 < rhqq> felda: i just have usb stick with my ready-to-go linux
22:23 < xamithan> carry as in physically?
22:23 < ekaj> are iops just a hosts reads/sec + writes/sec?
22:23 < felda> > software
22:23 < vinrock> when i was in hs computers were restricted by editing progman.ini...
22:23 <@ravioli> i do sysadmin-ish work at a school system AMA
22:23 < felda> rhqq what distro do you use?  I have the Ultimate Boot CD
22:23 <@ravioli> (but don't @ me)
22:24 < rhqq> felda: btw, i use arch ;-)
22:24 < PfhorEver> USB thumbdrive with parted magic has saved my bacon multiple times. Worth the $40 subscription.
22:24 < xamithan> Archbang?
22:24 < felda> rhqq I don't have any linux machines so I should be fine
22:24 < asimon> oravioli: What's the most ridiculous/sexy/evil/illegal thing you've seen happen at your school? /s
22:24 < rhqq> yah, basic arch with libre office, few browsers, network tools, ssh
22:24 < rhqq> all the modules for xorg for every graphics card
22:25 <@ravioli> asimon: those all happened when i was a student
22:25 < rhqq> ntfs3g
22:25 < rhqq> and that's enough to do whatever i need wherever
22:25 < xamithan> I like sysrescuecd myself
22:26 < PfhorEver> Kali linux is good to have on hand too
22:26 < rhqq> PfhorEver: only if you actually know what are all these tools for
22:26 < chesshire> But felda, how else are you going to run/configure your pfsense?
22:26 < rhqq> because i seen kiddos having all these haxxor stuff
22:26 < rhqq> but lacking basic idea of what to do with them
22:26 < felda> chesshire SSH?
22:27 < chesshire> But you need to tunnel via kali first
22:27 < PfhorEver> i don't use them all, but the ones I use are helpful to have in it's own little distro
22:29 < PfhorEver> chesshire: you don't need to tunnel if you are just using diagnostic utilities. I would if I were actively trying to do pen tests against a remote network
22:30 < derpingit> u mean like a live boot usb with everything you need?
22:30 < felda> Is Hiren's Boot CD newer than Ultimate Boot CD?
22:30 < derpingit> is the "gray area software" version
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> felda: pretty sure hirens is older
22:31 < derpingit> ubcd is legit and legal on its own.
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> i used ubcd a long time ago, like mid 00's
22:31 < scwizard> weird
22:31 < PfhorEver> ubcd is obsolete
22:31 < vinrock> ubcd is old af
22:31 < scwizard> the aws api only lets you terminate asg instances one at a time
22:31 < vinrock> and i dont thik its maintained any longer
22:31 < scwizard> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/autoscaling/ec2/APIReference/API_TerminateInstanceInAutoScalingGroup.html
22:31 < derpingit> id like the idea of having a secure live os usb. can someone point me to the right direction ?
22:31 <@Code_Man65> I know hirens at least dead
22:31 < felda> ooof Hiren's was last updated in 2012
22:32 < derpingit> what do the pentest guys use these days ?
22:32 <@Code_Man65> Kali Linux
22:32 <@JollyRgrs> kali live usb/
22:32 < felda> UBCD was last updated March 19th of this year
22:32 < vinrock> derpingit:  qubes
22:32 < felda> wowee zowee
22:32 < SynMonger> kali is the new backtrack?
22:32 < felda> that's actually pretty recent
22:32 <@JollyRgrs> felda: rly? wow
22:32 <@JollyRgrs> SynMonger: yes
22:32 < vinrock> or tails if you just wanna buy drugs on the darknet
22:32 <@JollyRgrs> renamed
22:32 < derpingit> lol
22:32 < felda> SynMonger backtrack renamed to kali basically lol
22:32 < derpingit> tails is super slow tho./. tried it once :/
22:33 < SynMonger> security has its price
22:33 < vinrock> try qubes if you're just looking for security
22:33 < vinrock> tails is like
22:33 < derpingit> i just want my facebook chat, gmail, banking, done on a secure channel
22:33 < vinrock> security and disappearing into the shadows
22:33 < derpingit> qubes then ?
22:33 < vinrock> yeah try it out
22:33 < Casteil> aww yeah
22:33 <@JollyRgrs> lol
22:33 < derpingit> cool thanks..
22:33 <@JollyRgrs> facebook chat... secure channel
22:33 < Casteil> been putting my new XPS 9570 through its paces with the i7-8750H
22:33 < Astr0_Belt> lol
22:34 < PfhorEver> derpingit: use the TAILS distro
22:34 < derpingit> well.. i mean from the hardware perspective..
22:34 < Casteil> soooo much faster than my 'old' i5 (dual-core) Latitude
22:34 < derpingit> PfhorEver as i said, tails was pretty slow when i tried it out
22:34 < Astr0_Belt> I would go tails.
22:34 < derpingit> has it gotten any better? my experience is from like 2 years ago
22:34 < Astr0_Belt> when did you try tails?
22:34 <@JollyRgrs> tails is slow, sonic is faster
22:35 < vim24x7> sonic?
22:35 < vinrock> 2 years is a long time in nerdspace
22:35 < Casteil> only complaint so far: this thing has a 4K display and Hexchat doesn't DPI scale nicely
22:35 < syere> tails website  is either down or the gateway is blockign it....
22:35 <@JollyRgrs> but tails can fly when he helicopter dick's his tail
22:35 < Astr0_Belt> oh. I used it recently and it was fine. Theres next to nothing running on tails.
22:35 < derpingit> i'm already dealing with 5mbps internet so :/
22:35 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: knuckles is just slow, but he can do that flying punch thing
22:35 < derpingit> lol
22:35 < vinrock> i like knuckles hes like the cool alt sonic
22:36 < PfhorEver> if you have a tiny pipe your are not gonna get any faster anyway
22:36 < vinrock> grew up on the streets
22:36 < derpingit> JollyRgrs can i pm about irc thing?
22:36 < vinrock> just tryina' survive the school of hard knocks
22:36 < genr8_> man SSL complicates everything
22:36 < SynMonger> sanic gotta go faster
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> derpingit: i.... guess?
22:36 < Astr0_Belt> Casteil: Tails site is up for me.
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> vinrock: and he has dreads
22:37 < vinrock> aw shit thats right
22:37 < vinrock> they call him knuckles because he got handworl
22:37 < vinrock> k
22:38 < vinrock> yo gimme some
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> how does this thing work?
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> :P
22:39 < Astr0_Belt> Any day now VCenter will install... :|
22:39 < vinrock> pff
22:39 < vinrock> pshhh
22:44 < DomLS3> JollyRgrs: it work by doing mode +v DomLS3
22:45 <+DomLS3> :o
22:45 <@Code_Man65> esnesfp
22:45 < DomLS3> knew that was company
22:45 < DomLS3> coming
22:45 < DomLS3> how did I get company from coming
22:45 < vinrock> 4:46pm
22:45 < vinrock> brain starting to malfunction
22:46 < Astr0_Belt> almost there.
22:46 < Astr0_Belt> hahaha
22:46 < SynMonger> I've got two hours to go until dollar margarita night
22:46 < Astr0_Belt> 14 mins
22:46 <@Code_Man65> But you did, for a fleeting few seconds, get what you wanted
22:46 < vinrock> oh shit just remembered i gotta get my pool badges after work
22:46 < vinrock> ugh
22:46 < vinrock> gona delay my beer time
22:46 < Astr0_Belt> catch you guys later.
22:46 < DomLS3> Code_Man65: I suppose you would be correct in that assessment
22:46 <@Code_Man65> Later
22:48 < DomLS3> mode +v DomLS3 and don't kick me or devoice afterwards
22:48 < DomLS3> let freenode disconnect me like it always does ;/
22:49 < Hatter> DomLS3: begging for +v again? that's really embarrassing
22:49 < alazare619> opnsense
22:49 < alazare619> lmao
22:49 < alazare619> opensense
22:49 < alazare619> #notautokicked
22:49 < DomLS3> Hatter: what's embarrassing is that the coolest person in this channel (me) doesn't have +v
22:50 < alazare619> please DomLS3 i had +V for years
22:50 < alazare619> and one day lost it never to find it again
22:50 < alazare619> all becaues jfdkthnx threw a hissy fit
22:50 < Hatter> DomLS3: I did for weeks when I was +v'd on a lark, because I know how to maintain a network connection
22:50 < DomLS3> alazare619: feelsbadman
22:50 < DomLS3> Hatter: People like you shouldn't be +v
22:50 < DomLS3> you're cancer to the channel
22:51 <@cryptic1> Wow more voice begging eh
22:51 < DomLS3> I bring excitement and knowledge
22:51 < SynMonger> esnesfp
22:51 < Hatter> no, it's because I won't s the d for v
22:51 < alazare619> cryptic1: whose begging?
22:51 < hxcsp> cryptic1: get back to work stop begging
22:51 < DomLS3> You want the D instead of the V?
22:51 < DomLS3> you gay brah
22:51 < alazare619> i dont want +V
22:51 < alazare619> only plebs have it now
22:51 < SynMonger> I'm married, it's always -v for me
22:51 < alazare619> <--- is not a pleb
22:52 < DomLS3> if the voice bot was WORKING...
22:52 < DomLS3> ah hem
22:52 < alazare619> i want my +O restored cryptic1 ;)
22:52 <@cryptic1> D:
22:52 < DomLS3> cryptic1 I actually started coding one in c++ as a service
22:52 < int0x1C8> cryptic1 I want a pony
22:52 < DomLS3> but I got bored
22:52  * alazare619 needs +O so he can kick Code_Man65 one time
22:52 < DomLS3> I spent a week trying to figure out why it kept pinging out and once I fixed it, I rage quit it
22:52 < int0x1C8> and the pony needs +v
22:52 < hxcsp> rekt
22:53 < alazare619> damnit
22:53 < DomLS3> Code_Man65 bet you won't do that on me
22:53 < alazare619> inb4 2 slow junior
22:53 < hxcsp> DomLS3: ready with the /takever command
22:53 < hxcsp> just gold hammer me plz
22:53 < DomLS3> hxcsp: haha
22:53 < DomLS3> gold hammer plz
22:53 < DomLS3> ooo
22:53 < DomLS3> quick
22:54 < alazare619> he is && commands together
22:55 < int0x1C8> esnesfp
22:55 < DomLS3> ok Code_Man65
22:55 < DomLS3> challenge accepted
22:55 < DomLS3> on mo gin
22:56 < rhqq> .
22:57 < DomLS3> I may or may not be able to be quick enough if he's &'d them lol
22:57 < DomLS3> doo iiiiit
22:57 < audia5> hi all
22:58 < vinrock> i hate when i get sales calls
22:58 < vinrock> i hate even more when the salesperson asks what solutions i am using
22:58 < vinrock> yo son
22:58 < vinrock> nunya fuckin bidness
22:58 < DomLS3> Code_Man65 thinks he's smart waiting so he can +o me at random
22:58 < DomLS3> thinking I'm not paying attention
22:58 < DomLS3> I shall trump thee!
22:59 < alazare619> only way to beat code_man65 is to run a mudclient like mushclient with triggers
22:59 < alazare619> and have the triggers set to auto kick him the minute you are opped
22:59 < alazare619> then +B him
22:59 < audia5> call him to your Office , son of the bitch come to my Office
22:59 < alazare619> and after that z-line
22:59 < DomLS3> alazare619: I'm on mIRC
22:59 < DomLS3> so I can seet that up already
22:59 < DomLS3> which I just did but not to kick him just to deop him
22:59 < DomLS3> but it's probably not going to be fast enough tbh
22:59 < alazare619> lmao
23:00 < DomLS3> he writes his kick commnd quicker than I receive the +o and can write the -o or a kick
23:00 < DomLS3> i THINK anyway
23:00 < DomLS3> only one way to find out Code_Man65. You got the sack for it?
23:00 < alazare619> only one way to find out
23:00 < DomLS3> You feel lucky punk? Do ya?
23:00 <@Code_Man65> Sorry, I was actually working
23:00 < DomLS3> "working"
23:00 < alazare619> lies
23:00 < DomLS3> "being a pleb"
23:01 <@Code_Man65> /kick DomLS3 O RLY?
23:01 <@DomLS3> haha
23:01 <@DomLS3> rekt
23:01 < DomLS3> I BEAT YOU
23:01 < audia5> guys i have it company on city now municiaplity wants to build riding stables near city is this okay ?
23:01 < alazare619> LMAO
23:01 < DomLS3> I AM GOD
23:01 <@Code_Man65> Yep, I will grant you that
23:01 < DomLS3> I deserve +v for that at least
23:01 <@Code_Man65> Nope
23:01 < DomLS3> :@
23:02 < alazare619> that was a good laugh
23:02 < admiralspark> this is like watching a mexican soap opera
23:02 < alazare619> after the bullshit i dealt with today i needed that
23:03 < DomLS3> I'm happy that worked. If it didn't. a timer would have been next
23:03 < DomLS3> but I would have likely flooded out with that
23:04 < admiralspark> wait
23:04 < admiralspark> I think I'm just being IRC dumb, but does felda really have a named cloak as pfsense?
23:04 < admiralspark> I thought it was unaffiliated or nothing?
23:04 < alazare619> felda actually owns pfsense
23:04 < admiralspark> DomLS3: has it too
23:04 < admiralspark> lol
23:05 < audia5> guys i have it company on city now municiaplity wants to build riding stables near city is this okay ? i know its offtopic :(
23:05 < DomLS3> I don't have a pfsense cloak?
23:05 < admiralspark> no way, he's not gonzo levels of retarded alazare619
23:05 < DomLS3> mine just saus unaffiliated/DomLS3
23:05 < alazare619> plot twist he is gonzo
23:06 < alazare619> damnit -_-
23:06 < DomLS3> fak you
23:06 <@Code_Man65> And yes, he does have that cloak
23:07 < alazare619> rumor has it felda is pfsense's senior web developer these days
23:07 < alazare619> have you seen felda.io lately?
23:09 <+TuxedoJack> You mean the sponsored listings on it?
23:09 < admiralspark> alazare619: I could see that
23:09 < admiralspark> that php
23:16 < PfhorEver> Wish I had the luxury of a job that stopped at 5PM
23:16 < AnimalFarmPig> I've been playing with https://github.com/skeyby/mysqlfs kind of interesting. It's a FUSE filesystem backed by MySQL. On my test instance, I'm getting write speed of like 0.5 MB/sec and reads of 60 MB/sec connected to a remote Percona instance over gigabit.
23:16 < AnimalFarmPig> I suspect the slow writes are due to commiting for every block, super inefficient
23:18 < PrincessZoey> can someone please explain to me WHY someone would need a mouse with 16,000DPI?
23:18 < rhqq> PrincessZoey: because of 4k screens?
23:18 < rhqq> also less jitter
23:19 < rhqq> even if you tune it down
23:19 < PrincessZoey> I keep my mouse at 3500 DPI and if I twitch my hand I can go across 3 screens
23:19 < rhqq> ok, but less jitter, more precission
23:19 < PfhorEver> sounds like someone is playing DOOM at work
23:19 < PrincessZoey> my screens are 6130x1080 total
23:19 < AnimalFarmPig> I had a Sun Type 5 mouse years ago, which had really low DPI (it required a special mousepad with dots), and the lack of precision was really frustrating with higher DPI displays
23:19 < rhqq> Screen 0: minimum 8 x 8, current 4720 x 1440
23:20 < AnimalFarmPig> you would move the mouse a little bit and the pointer on screen would jump 6 pixels
23:20 < alazare619> high dpi is actually completely wrong way for mice to work
23:20 < alazare619> 800dpi is more than effecient and instead you should calibrate your resolution to your mousepad
23:20 < rhqq> iunno, i'm using trackball
23:20 < rhqq> lol, @ calibrating resolution xD
23:21 < vinrock> HEATHEN
23:21 < alazare619> http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
23:21 < alazare619> not even joking rhqq
23:21 < alazare619> it has to do with the resolution of your monitor and getting a 1:1 ratio
23:23 < rhqq> alazare619: theres absolutely no reason to have 1:1 ratio of mouse to screen
23:24 < alazare619> my mouse pad is actually only about 14 inches wide by 8 inches tall its a 16:9 ratio
23:24 < PrincessZoey> I don't use a mousepad #rebel
23:24 < alazare619> getting proper dpi on mouse and a ratio is the way to go
23:24 < rhqq> theres no reason, really
23:24 < alazare619> yea there is 1:1 movement
23:24 < alazare619> its been proven by multiple people
23:24 < rhqq> no, there's not
23:24 < alazare619> epsecially in FPS games
23:25 < rhqq> 1:1 means cursor moves AS FAR as your hand on the desk
23:25 < rhqq> which would be ridiculous even in 90s
23:25 < alazare619> trust me no its not
23:25 < sadbox> rhqq: you haven't seen people play w/ super low res mouses I'm guessing
23:25 < alazare619> its the most precise method
23:25 < rhqq> i have entire screen within move of my thumb, and trust me, my screen is bigger than my thumb
23:25 < alazare619> and unless you play at a very high level yo uwouldnt understand RHQQ
23:26 < rhqq> sadbox: i seen
23:26 < sadbox> rhqq: for better or worse it's a thing for esports nerds
23:26 < rhqq> but that's not the point and we dont use that in daily use
23:26 < grumplestiltzkin>  s/esports/NERDS
23:26 < rhqq> also even then, nobody uses 1:1, even in sports, hidpi mices with appropriate integer multiplier to scale that down
23:26 < sadbox> grumplestiltzkin: NERDS nerds?
23:26 < alazare619> high dpi mouse is the wrong way, lower dpi but without acceleration and with dpi to monitor calibration is the proper way
23:26 < grumplestiltzkin> sadbox: yes
23:26 < rhqq> flat accels too
23:27 < sadbox> alazare619: to be fair there's no reason to not have a higher dpi mouse, getting something w/ a good sensor, etc and scaling down the dpi is way saner
23:28 < PrincessZoey> oh god I set my mouse to 12,000DPI and now the smallest movement and my cursor goes flying
23:28 < alazare619> sadbox:  oh my mouse has something like 2k dpi
23:28 < alazare619> its more then sufficient
23:28 < alazare619> but i generally keep it around 800-1200 dpi
23:28 < rhqq> PrincessZoey: there are people happy with thumb-movement
23:28 < alazare619> thumb movement is not precise
23:28 < alazare619> especially in super fast react moments
23:28 < rhqq> alazare619: not everyone needs that
23:29 < alazare619> 0 pro's use it
23:29 < rhqq> look, i get it you vape,
23:29 < PfhorEver> lol
23:29 < alazare619> i do
23:29 < alazare619> i have an avocado right now
23:29 < rhqq> take your hipster shit away, nobody sane is going to have 1:1 or whatever around
23:29 < alazare619> dual claptons and i'm vaping on a home made apple fritter mix with 6mg nicotine your point?
23:29 < rhqq> and nobody really needs anything really precise
23:29 < alazare619> rhqq the 1:1 is not had to monitor movement
23:29 < alazare619> its aspect ratio
23:29 < rhqq> aspect is always 1:1 wtf are you talking about
23:29 < alazare619> if your running on your aspect ratio a 16:9 get a 16:9 mousepad
23:30 < rhqq> lol
23:30 < PrincessZoey> ok. I set it to 6150dpi. it's usable
23:30 < rhqq> i have no mousepad
23:30 < alazare619> then set the dpi of the monitor and the dpi of the mouse accordingly
23:30 < rhqq> because i have like 35:9
23:30 < alazare619> you really need to read on MARKC fix rhqq
23:30 < rhqq> lol
23:30 < rhqq> dude
23:30 < alazare619> and stop talking out your ass right now
23:30 < alazare619> fag
23:30 < rhqq> xD
23:30 < sadbox> alazare619: woah there
23:30 < rhqq> dude, i guess you have no idea what are you talking, you've read few articles and you pretend to be know-it-all
23:31 < sadbox> alazare619: why would you change your monitor
23:31 < alazare619> whatever idiot
23:31 < alazare619> you dont
23:31 < sadbox> run it at whatever resolution is native
23:31 < PrincessZoey> I can't adjust my monitor's DPI
23:31 < rhqq> ad personam
23:31 < rhqq> cool
23:31 < rhqq> :)
23:31 < rhqq> what a dpi is? it's how many impulses per inch you're getting. now it is translated by whatever driver and via system settings (multiplier) to amount of pixels per inch on the screen
23:31 < rhqq> period
23:32 < rhqq> there's no aspect ratio issues since 90s
23:32 < rhqq> so there's no possible conflict with the "alignment" of mouse dpi to the screen you have
23:32 < rhqq> period
23:32 < alazare619> again you lack the proper information to make a logical decision
23:32 < alazare619> have fun believing your flat earth rhqq
23:32 < rhqq> i just gave you bare math dude
23:34 < DomLS3> do you even math bro
23:34 < DomLS3> 04:29p | alazare619 > if your running on your aspect ratio a 16:9 get a 16:9 mousepad
23:35 < DomLS3> who can take a guy who writes
23:35 < DomLS3> who can take a guy who writes "your" instead of "you're" seriously anyway
23:35 < DeVito> More importantly, what kind of phrasing is "If you're running on your aspect ratio a 16:9"
23:35 < DomLS3> that too
23:35 < DomLS3> grammar all fucked up
23:35 < DeVito> "If you're driving in your car a V8"
23:35 < DomLS3> must be from England
23:36 < PfhorEver> I like how this channel descends into an MMO public chat bumfight after 5PM ET
23:36 < DeVito> It's okay, I'm here to keep it Fair and Balanced™
23:37 < rhqq> PfhorEver: i dont :P
23:37 < sadbox> PfhorEver: It's like a nicotine patch for my wow addiction
23:37 < alazare619> DomLS3: you have 0 say you think chevy ls motor is the best motor ever made
23:37 < DeVito> At least he can phrase things readably :^)
23:38 < DomLS3> alazare619: 1.) LS is not a motor, it's an engine. The two are different. 2.) The LS engine is the best engine ever made
23:38 < DomLS3> kethx
23:38  * DeVito shovels more tannerite into the fire
23:38 < PfhorEver> He may have been born slightly oxygen deprived
23:38 < alazare619> push rod engine as the best ever made pleaes
23:38 < alazare619> HLA all the way
23:39 < DeVito> Best engine is whatever my current car has
23:39 < DeVito> That way I never get sucked into the pit of envy
23:39 < DeVito> Easy
23:39 < alazare619> pushrods are for old men who need hip replacements
23:39 < alazare619> alright guys i had fun trolling see you around but rhqq not joking read about the markc fix
23:40 < alazare619> the mouse pad thing is moot
23:40 < alazare619> but the dpi scaling your monitor dpi is very important
23:40 < alazare619> and using slider 6/11 for true 1:1
23:40 < rhqq> alazare619: nope
23:40 < DeVito> My mouse is a 6" circle, and I use it on a set of 3 mismatched monitors at 6400dpi
23:40 < DeVito> Rate me, alazare619
23:40 < alazare619> do you use 6/11 rhqq
23:40 < DeVito> s/mouse/mousepad/
23:40 < sadbox> DomLS3: lets be honest tho
23:40 < rhqq> no, i'm using touchpad thats 400dpi with x5 multiplier on my system
23:40 < sadbox> what you really want is a renault "powerful"
23:40 < alazare619> o.O
23:40 < rhqq> so i just move my thumb for 5k px movement
23:41 < alazare619> O.O
23:41 < alazare619> bruh
23:41 < sadbox> DomLS3: a blazing 53hp
23:41 < anickname> hey
23:41 < sadbox> I mean 67
23:41 < rhqq> people DO NOT NEED precission in 95% of daily use
23:41 < anickname> if I'm using BCrypt for authentication
23:41 < DomLS3> sadbox: ?
23:41 < alazare619> can you do that with a nipple eraser mouse?
23:41 < anickname> do I send the password in plaintext to the server where it then does the hashing?
23:41 < genr8_> its probably down to 53 by now to due degradation
23:41 < sadbox> DomLS3: it's renaults wacky 2-stroke diesel car engine
23:41 < anickname> over HTTPS?
23:42 < DomLS3> What are you talking about
23:42 < genr8_> noo
23:42 < DomLS3> how did we get from LS engines to a 2 stroke diesel
23:42 < genr8_> to plaintext passwords
23:42 < sadbox> DomLS3: we were talking about the best engine
23:42 < DomLS3> oh
23:42 < DomLS3> well that's definitely not it lol
23:42 < DeVito> anickname, I'd imagine that depends on whether the implementation handles that client-side (which it should), or server-side, wouldn't it?
23:42 < DomLS3> LS is cheap, light, makes the same power as modular ford engines if not more
23:42 < anickname> the BCrypt should be done server side, no?
23:43 < alazare619> I still say the best engine ever made was the packard v1650 merlin
23:43 < DomLS3> You can turn a junkyard 6.0 engine that cost $400 into a 9 second car
23:43 < DomLS3> for less than $10,000 might I add
23:43 < rhqq> cummins folks
23:43 < alazare619> your not wrong
23:43 < alazare619> but the 351w can do the same
23:43 < genr8_> 6.7 cummins
23:43 < alazare619> also the ford mod motor is a shit engine
23:44 < alazare619> the windsor motors were always better
23:44 < grumplestiltzkin> 5.9 12 valve
23:44 < sadbox> genr8_: rhqq ++
23:44 < alazare619> ford switching the sn95 to the mod motors was a terrible idea
23:44 < rhqq> alazare619: i can tell you're the know-it-all across all the disciplines
23:44 < rhqq> damn, im glad you're not my coworker
23:44 < alazare619> luckly the mod motors used similiar mounts to the windsors and could be replaced very easily
23:44 < alazare619> rhqq:  nah cars and pc's and stereos
23:44 < DeVito> anickname, I spent a bit reading up on it, got bored, and decided to stick with letting actual security experts write the implementation and using theirs
23:45 < alazare619> everything else i'm mentally retarded in rhqq
23:45 < rhqq> yeah, like understanding math
23:45 < DeVito> So take my thoughts on that with a grain of salt, I don't claim nearly the domain knowledge required to help someone write their own
23:45 < alazare619> rhqq:  example i one time put dawn dish soap in my dishwasher
23:45 < rhqq> =]
23:45 < alazare619> all i have to say...
23:45 < alazare619> bubbles
23:45 < alazare619> fucking bubbles everywhere
23:45 < anickname> DeVito which library should I use?
23:45 < DeVito> Are you vaping with a bubble wand now?
23:45 < anickname> I looked into OAuth but that isn't really for my use case
23:46 < anickname> I'm planning on using JWT but I need a way to store my passwords
23:47 < DeVito> I'll have to leave advising you on that to someone who specialises in such
23:47 < alazare619> rhqq:  also my discussion was on mouse precision btw and best practice not how to make your mouse fast as fuck nad not precise so technically you were wrong and i baited you into an argument you didnt even understand the basis of *casts fishing pole*
23:47 < alazare619> NANO IS THE BEST EDITOR EVER
23:47 < DeVito> Can we ban alazare619
23:47 < DeVito> His smugness is annoying me
23:47 < rhqq> alazare619: you made a cardinal mistake using ad persona attacks
23:47 < DeVito> We already have cry ptic for that
23:48 < DeVito> Uhm actually Persona 3 is the best one
23:48 < alazare619> ;)
23:48 < PfhorEver> Someone get the ban hammer he said nano was the best editor
23:48 < PfhorEver> :)
23:48 < DeVito> Also, for the record, rhqq
23:48 < rhqq> ya?
23:48 < DeVito> It's a general rule of discussion that when you try to end a discussion by claiming abuse of fallacies, you too lose
23:48 < DeVito> It's like a subset of godwin's law for semantic discussion
23:49 < alazare619> ^
23:49 < rhqq> it was more of an irritation
23:49 < rhqq> i carried over with actual argumentation
23:49 < DeVito> I'm just giving you advice on IRC arguments
23:49 < rhqq> i guess i should grow more of the "i-dont-care-ism"
23:49 < DeVito> The most productive sort
23:49 < alazare619> its ok your still young
23:49 < DeVito> Ooh he's going for the superiority complex
23:49 < DeVito> You've just done a double invocation of the Law
23:49 < alazare619> the career will make you jaded soon enough child :)
23:49 < rhqq> lawl
23:49 < rhqq> i havent heard that for a long time
23:49 < grumplestiltzkin> godwin's is where first to pull out a 'hitler' autoloses?
23:50 < DeVito> Yeah
23:50 < rhqq> ya
23:50 < rhqq> or whatever nazi thing or Bad Guy™
23:50 < DeVito> It's just the subset for semantic arguments; first to pull a "acktchually that's fallacious" autoloses
23:50 < DeVito> You need to be more subtle
23:50 < alazare619> i did have fun tho rhqq dont take anything i ever say serious
23:50 < alazare619> i hate my job and just blow off steam in here occasionally :)
23:50 < sadbox> grumplestiltzkin: It used to be funnier before actual nazis showed back up
23:50 < DeVito> WHOA WHOA WHOA
23:50 < DeVito> This is like 8 levels too genuine for /r/sysadmin alazare619
23:50 < DeVito> Slow down
23:50 < alazare619> i'm heading out have a good night everyone
23:50 < rhqq> alazare619: you old fuck
23:51 < rhqq> die while asleep
23:51 < alazare619> i am
23:51 < rhqq> o/
23:51 < alazare619> i was looking at my 401k the other day and was like shit i should put more in
23:51 < DeVito> I've been asked if I'm crankyadmin 3 times so far this weekend
23:51 < DeVito> This is a bad sign
23:51 < alazare619> i realized at that moment i'm officially old AF
23:51 < DeVito> s/end//
23:51 < DeVito> alazare619, you didn't even max your 401k and roth contributions by 18? smh
23:51 < sadbox> alazare619: I think that and I'm <30
23:51 < alazare619> oh and when i realized i watch hgtv more then any other channel
23:51 < PfhorEver> DeVito As long as you are not BOFH level you are normal
23:52 < alazare619> DeVito:  when i was 18 i was high AF man
23:52 < DeVito> Those aren't mutually exclusive
23:52 < alazare619> only thing on my mind was pussy and weed
23:52 < DeVito> Though I don't know how old you are
23:52 < rhqq> ugh, i was compiling gentoo when i was 18
23:52 < DeVito> Maybe back in the 1920s or whenever you were 18, it was different
23:52 < alazare619> shit i'm not killdash9  old
23:52 < DeVito> rhqq, you were instructing gentoo to compile itself*
23:53 <@killdash9> no one is
23:53 < DeVito> Don't go claiming superpowers
23:53 < rhqq> DeVito: ok, true
23:53 < alazare619> i'm just saying when i was 18 the only things on my mind (i didnt have a job) was pussy and weed and by 20 i had a kid so money was tight
23:53 < DeVito> I bet you weren't even funrolling your loops properly
23:53 < rhqq> but then it's all about make && make whatever
23:53 < DeVito> Also
23:53 < rhqq> so nobody compiles shit, just calls make ;p
23:53 < DeVito> I mean, yes they do, I write makefiles to do things, including things other than compile
23:53 < DeVito> Make is a very lovely tool
23:54 < alazare619> make is like the equivelant of a project manager
23:54 < DeVito> But I digress
23:54 < DeVito> If I keep this up people will start thinking I'm a nerd
23:54 < rhqq> actually i've read once that make was a lazy hack and ended up being a standard that's not even completely formalized
23:54 < DeVito> Very little about linux is formalised :)
23:54 < DeVito> Well, sorry, rephrase
23:54 < rhqq> true
23:54 < DeVito> Very little about computers is formalised
23:54 < alazare619> funny thing started a project today for a cardio systems upgrade...spoke to this guy...he is a project manager, for a project manager, project manager...
23:54 < sadbox> rhqq: that sentence basically applies to every linux tool
23:55 < alazare619> and i'm not joking  he outlies everything, assigns it to a person to find you a actual project manager
23:55 < alazare619> like WTF
23:55 < rhqq> ugh, kinda, but not as badly as `make` originally was
23:55 < DeVito> You ain't seen nothing, rhqq
23:55 < DeVito> Check out the source code for xterm sometime
23:55 < alazare619> anyways take it easy everyone
23:55 < DeVito> Bye alazare619
23:55 < rhqq> okay, but im talking about something more serious
23:55 < alazare619> o/
23:55 < DeVito> The most widely used terminal emulator by miles isn't serious?
23:55 < rhqq> yes
23:55 < DeVito> Okay, replace "xterm" with "xorg" or "glibc"
23:56 < DeVito> The latter of those certainly fits under serious
23:56 < rhqq> glibc has gotten through its way
23:56 < rhqq> but is not as bad as it was like a decade ago
23:56 < rhqq> with that famous argument with stallman
23:56 < rhqq> and these glibc clones
23:57 < DeVito> Hell, the Linux kernel was a lazy hack and ended up being widely used
23:57 < DeVito> And I love it for that <3
23:58 < rhqq> well, but kernel is super formalized by now
23:58 < DeVito> sure
23:58 < genr8_> wouldnt exactly call Torvalds  lazy either.
23:58 < DeVito> Different uses of the term "lazy"
23:58 < PfhorEver> Not really a lazy hack, it was an experiment to make a clone of UNIX by a student
23:59 < rhqq> while learning 386 assembly
23:59 < DeVito> Lazy hack in that it wasn't architected as for its future use, was meant to have limited extent
23:59 < DeVito> And took off from there
23:59 < PfhorEver> yeah, fair enough
23:59 < DeVito> So I guess more hack, less lazy
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