--- Log opened Fri May 25 00:00:06 2018
--- Day changed Fri May 25 2018
00:00 < DeVito> But the wider point here is that "started off as a (lazy) hack" is a bit of a re-occurring theme
00:00 < DeVito> And if you somehow take that as an attack on the ecosystem, you might not know me too well ;)
00:01 < rhqq> yeah, but rules for makefiles are still more of suggestions
00:01 < rhqq> if you take two makefiles from two different bigger projects
00:01 < DeVito> So are RFCs :)
00:01 < rhqq> they
00:01 < DeVito> As we see time and again
00:01 < rhqq> they'll be very different
00:01 < rhqq> well, RFC stands for request for comments
00:02 < DeVito> I'm well aware what it stands for
00:02 < rhqq> it's the spirit of the documentation
00:02 < DeVito> And I'm equally aware that, for all that, many of them are designed specifically to establish standards
00:02 < rhqq> "we kinda want it this way, but give us your input"
00:03 < DeVito> The whole approval track into becoming a draft and then standard is part of the RFC system, and yet you'll notice some very interesting interpretations from the major players
00:03 < rhqq> true
00:04 < DeVito> More importantly, though
00:05 < DeVito> It's 5pm and there are field techs in my office building still
00:05 < rhqq> its midnight here ;-)
00:05 < DeVito> I need to find out why they're polluting my lovely empty hallway
00:05 < DeVito> Because I'm overdue for taking a random chair from the callcenter and proceeding to spin down that entire hallway in it
00:11 < insecurity> a computer got me
00:11 < DeVito> Good
00:42 < Stoob> I'm loving how many privacy policy updates are coming in today
00:44 < rpifan> hi
00:46 <+TuxedoJack> "He's a doctor in his 30s who specializes in medical education, and he can't figure out how to go through the iPhone Exchange setup wizard. God help us if he ever tries to teach anything else."
00:46 < rpifan> i dont undetstand iphones
00:46 < rpifan> like i dont get it
00:46 < darkscrypt> o/ rpifan
00:46 <+TuxedoJack> What's not to get?
00:47 <+TuxedoJack> Dickwaving by Apple for retarded fanboys with money
00:47 <+TuxedoJack> And for sorority girls to get shitfaced and take duckface pictures out at bars
00:47 < rpifan> sup
00:47 < rpifan> well
00:47 < rpifan> btw my boss agree with me
00:47 < rpifan> about all the stuff i was talking about yesternight
00:55 < DeVito> Shame many nice phones in general are joining the absolutely insane pricings
00:55 < DeVito> I liked my OP3T, but the OP6 starts at, what, $550 now? I paid $340 for my last phone and even that was about my limit
00:56 < genr8_> my biggest gripe is no SD Card
00:56 <+NinjaStyle> iPhone for the most part is good
00:57 <+Hunterkll> ^
00:57 <+Hunterkll> more secure than android tehse days
00:57 <+Hunterkll> more, far more, native code so it's far more fluid and faster on llower hardware
00:57 <+NinjaStyle> Android is native code too now
00:57 <+Hunterkll> not all of it
00:58 < DeVito> I liked my iPhone 6, but the screen was garbage
00:58 < DeVito> And then after about 2 years lightning port stopped charging it, couldn't get it working again, so grabbed cheapest okay-looking phone I found, hence this OP3T
00:58 < darkscrypt> NinjaStyle: https://www.penucopia.com/testing-inks-the-morriset-way/
00:58 < DeVito> But now getting close to needing to upgrade again, or see if battery is replaceable somehow
00:59 <+NinjaStyle> darkscrypt: nice
01:00 < DeVito> I used an iphone x and liked it, but didn't like it enough to drop $1k+ on something I use to watch youtube and browse the internet on the shitter
01:00 <+Hunterkll> lol
01:00 <+Hunterkll> i bought an iphone X just because i wanted the watch 3
01:00 < darkscrypt> or play candy crush while driving.
01:00 <+Hunterkll> and didn't want to lilnk it to my work phone
01:01 < DeVito> Only thing I spend over $1k on for myself is camera gear, microphones, and (unfortunately) rent
01:01 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: as of 4.4
01:01 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, i know how ART works
01:02 <+NinjaStyle> Then you know it is native
01:02 <+Hunterkll> that's not exactly native code, it's just a different way of compilation of a GC'd bytecode language that uses VM techniques
01:02 < DeVito> The major thing I'd miss going back to iphones, though
01:02 <+Hunterkll> it's a step below objective-C
01:02 < DeVito> Is compiling my own modified kernels and feeling edgy
01:02 < DeVito> An incredibly important part of phone ownership
01:02 <+Hunterkll> lol
01:02 <+Hunterkll> yea that was cool
01:02 <+Hunterkll> when the HTC G1 was cool
01:03 < genr8_> LG G2
01:03 < DeVito> Nothing like browsing through nconfig deciding what random aspects to disable just so you can feel different
01:03 < DeVito> genr8_, was that before or after LG introduced that cool "Boot loop after 6 months" feature?
01:03 <+NinjaStyle> It's compiled to an elf basically Hunterkll
01:03 <+Hunterkll> yes
01:03 <+Hunterkll> it still has the java-style baggage with it
01:03 <+NinjaStyle> Not really
01:03 < genr8_> fake news
01:04 <+Hunterkll> so, in the strictest definition sure, it's 'native'
01:04 <+Hunterkll> but it stilll has all the features and facilities there
01:04 <+NinjaStyle> How so?
01:04 <+NinjaStyle> It's compiled to a native binary
01:04 < DeVito> So, what phone should I buy that has a battery life of like 20 hours of light to medium use, an OLED screen for muh pretty colours, and costs me under $400 ;_;
01:07 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, ish. Android 7 added JIT to ART :P
01:07 < sadbox> DeVito: I have a coffee grinder w/ an OLED screen
01:07 < DeVito> Okay, but does it run unplugged, and can it make phone calls
01:07 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, turns out the one shot compilation wasn't always the best, so they added a JIT with code profiling to analyze and re-optimize the resulting binaries
01:07 <+Hunterkll> 7 is a great improvement
01:08 < sadbox> DeVito: no, but it makes better coffee than a nexus
01:08 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: even better
01:09 <+Hunterkll> but it's still, even the native binary, functioning as a register based VM system even though it's all executing natively
01:09 <+Hunterkll> it's limited by the confines of the language and spec, not the compiler
01:09 <+Hunterkll> oh, and it ballooned ram footprint & disk footprint
01:09 <+Hunterkll> 5.0 just was not ready for it
01:10 <+Hunterkll> i imagine that's where a lot of the mid-game "android is so laggy" came from too
01:10 < DeVito> Oreo runs very smoothly, that's nice at least
01:10 <+Hunterkll> eh
01:10 <+Hunterkll> 7 and 8 run fine on my devices, but i wouldn't say even close to iphone-like
01:10 <+Hunterkll> and that's a nexus 6 and galaxy s8+
01:11 <+Hunterkll> not exactly low tier phones
01:11 < DeVito> I can't compare to newer iPhones
01:11 <+Hunterkll> though the windows phone is the best
01:11 < DeVito> But I've not noticed any real difference between this and my iPhone 6
01:11 <+Hunterkll> 950 XL spanks 'em all
01:11 < DeVito> I'm sure they've improved since then
01:11 <+Hunterkll> compared to my 6S the Galaxy S8+ sux
01:11 < DeVito> But that iphone 6 also cost slightly over twice what the OP3T did
01:11 <+Hunterkll> but still
01:11 < DeVito> So I don't think that's too unfair
01:11 <+Hunterkll> now i have a 7 and an X
01:12 < DeVito> All I know is, my chinese cartoons, youtube, and web browsing are at least as responsive as my limited interest in them
01:12 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, ART did parallelize GC, which is kinda nice. but android developers are still retardedly lazy
01:12 < DeVito> And that's what counts(tm)
01:12 <+Hunterkll> for long duration used applications though full GC won't run
01:12 <+Hunterkll> which can actually cause progressive slowdowns
01:12 < DeVito> Looks like cheapest iphone still sold is at $700
01:13 <+Hunterkll> since it'll only run full GC when device is locked
01:13 < DeVito> So next phone will probably be some WAHWAY because they have mildly interesting cameras
01:13 <+Hunterkll> DeVito, eh? iPhone SE is like $349
01:13 < DeVito> Nowhere physical here carries them, though I'm sure I could find them on the internet
01:15 <+Hunterkll> 6S starts at like $449 tho from what i recall the SE is just a smaller 6S in a 5S casing
01:15 <+Hunterkll> wish they'd make a X class phone in a 5S case
01:15 < DeVito> Hm, that sounds smaller than I'd like
01:16 <+Hunterkll> 5S was best form factor after HTC G1
01:16 < DeVito> But I didn't list that spec in my original desires, so that's my bad
01:16 <+Hunterkll> which was best formfactor after HTC Herald
01:16 < DeVito> I do remember the 5C being a bit small for my hands
01:16 < DeVito> Was 5S same size?
01:16 <+Hunterkll> I don't know
01:16 <+Hunterkll> ?
01:16 <+Hunterkll> 5S was the first with the wrap around metal band
01:16 < DeVito> What's the point of this IRC channel if other people won't google things for me ;_;
01:16  * DeVito sighs and opens a browser
01:17 <+Hunterkll> 5S was my favorite iphone
01:17 <+Hunterkll> beyond the original and the 3GS
01:17 < DeVito> I just wasn't a big fan of the screen, on 6 at least
01:17 <+Hunterkll> https://www.gsmarena.com/htc_p4350-1781.php
01:17 <+Hunterkll> now this
01:17 <+Hunterkll> this was a phone!
01:17 < DeVito> If I ever typed on my phone, I might appreciate a physical keyboard
01:18 < DeVito> Though I had two slide keyboard phones back in the day
01:18 <+Hunterkll> I need to find a good flip keyboard case
01:18 < DeVito> And managed to utterly destroy both of them :(
01:18 <+Hunterkll> I still have my G2's carcass around here somewhere
01:18 < DeVito> "64MB RAM storage", eh, GSM arena?
01:19 <+Hunterkll> well
01:19 <+Hunterkll> 64MB RAM, 128MB FLASH on a 16 bit storage bus with a 201mhz CPU
01:19 <+Hunterkll> that STILL ran and felt better and more fluid than android
01:19 <+Hunterkll> It had MicroSD too
01:19 < DeVito> My point was more that they used "RAM storage" in the title art on the page
01:20 < DeVito> And then called it "ROM" a few lines down
01:20 <+Hunterkll> well yes
01:20 <+Hunterkll> back then we called it flashROM
01:20 <+Hunterkll> not flash
01:20 <+Hunterkll> not storage
01:20 <+Hunterkll> etc
01:20 <+Hunterkll> and you could divide the RAM into storage / app ram
01:20 < DeVito> Was it not writeable?
01:20 <+Hunterkll> so some could be used to install ram resident applications, but not be used for program execution
01:20 <+Hunterkll> some of it was
01:20 <+Hunterkll> but not all of it
01:20 <+Hunterkll> not all of the flash was writable
01:20 <+Hunterkll> but it was commonly referred to as flashrom
01:21 <+Hunterkll> even back in 2001 when i was dealing with ipaq 3850s and shit
01:21 < DeVito> So when it says "64 MB RAM, 128 MB ROM" does that mean 192MB total on the bus, 64MB writeable?
01:21 <+Hunterkll> no
01:21 < DeVito> Or how am I supposed to read it
01:21 <+Hunterkll> it means 64MB ram that could be possibly divided up
01:21 <+Hunterkll> and 128MB, which has a partition you can use, and the rest is the OS itself
01:21 <+Hunterkll> so you could have flash resident apps taht survived a total power lloss
01:21 <+Hunterkll> and ram resident ones that didn't
01:22 <+Hunterkll> so if you had a battery pull and didn't swap it fast enough that the caps ran down (it gave you like 10-15 seconds worth of buffer) you'd lose the RAM contents
01:22 <+Hunterkll> on the ram storage side, not the app ram side
01:22 <+Hunterkll> think of it like ... a vairable ram disk
01:22 <+Hunterkll> you can chew away from available free memory for executing programs to make ramdisk space
01:22 < DeVito> Yeah, I gleaned that from your follow-up description
01:22 < DeVito> Just not something I was familiar with
01:23 < DeVito> As none of my phones up until the iPhone 6 supported installing apps, or doing anything beyond using their built-in half-functional browser, calls, and SMS
01:23 <+Hunterkll> what? you never installled any of id software's j2me apps? :P
01:23 <+Hunterkll> http://www.mobygames.com/game/j2me/doom-rpg
01:24 <+Hunterkll> hell i had an ssh client on my RAZR
01:24 < DeVito> "Doom comes... as a first-person turn-based role playing game"
01:24 < DeVito> Lordy
01:24 <+Hunterkll> can you imagine doing shit on ssh with t9 texting?
01:24 < DeVito> Not particularly
01:24 < DeVito> I also didn't know what SSH was until around when I got said iphone 6
01:24 < DeVito> So I mean
01:24 <+Hunterkll> http://www.jcraft.com/jcterm/
01:25 <+Hunterkll> "runs on JDK 1.3 or previous"
01:25 < DeVito> Since parents didn't let us have a computer at home, and I couldn't afford a phone immediately once I moved out
01:26 <+Hunterkll> hahahahaha
01:26 <+Hunterkll> https://mrtipale.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/ssh-on-mobile/
01:26 <+Hunterkll> ^--- 209 post about some of it
01:26 <+Hunterkll> look at them tiny terminals
01:26 <+Hunterkll> Only you need is Gprs connectivity to download and connect the server. App has nice functionality like macro, store session, font change.
01:26 <+Hunterkll> GPRS !
01:26 <+Hunterkll> ahahhah
01:27 < DeVito> The garbled phrasing here makes me so happy
01:28 <+Hunterkll> DeVito, http://www.zgroup-mobile.com/published/mobile_games_racing_01.html
01:29 <+Hunterkll> that's what you were missing out on
01:29 <+Hunterkll> on yo flip phone
01:29 < DeVito> I've never been a big fan of games on small screens, but you know, maybe it would have been fun at the time
01:29 <+Hunterkll> http://www.zgroup-mobile.com/published/mobile_games_shootemup_02.html
01:29 <+Hunterkll> awww yeaa shoot 'em up
01:43 < Casteil> nice.. my old work latitude (i5-6300U) laptop averages about 45-50 gflops, my desktop (i5-3570K) averages about 80 gflops, my new work laptop is about 120gflops
01:46 < rhqq> Casteil: you got new laptop already?
01:46 < Casteil> yep
01:46 < rhqq> awesome
01:46 < Casteil> dell's ETA was like early june
01:46 < rhqq> yeah i remember
01:46 < rhqq> thats why i asked
01:46 < rhqq> ;p
01:47 < Casteil> so far so good, none of the issues people have complained about with the last gen XPS
01:47 < rhqq> sweet
01:48 < rhqq> update me on battery life in like 7 months from now =]
01:48 < Casteil> :P
01:48 < Casteil> I nuked about 35% of it over the course of an hour while windows was updating and our endpoint backup software was doing its initial sync
01:52 < rhqq> it's first time in my life i used any of btrfs features
01:52 < rhqq> lets hope it was a good use, at least
01:57 < rhqq> we'll se in 5 minutes whether it was worth it
01:59 < SOLxCrono> i'm guessing there arew a fair amount of pc gamers in here. totalbiscuit just died
02:00 < rhqq> yea, its all over the reddit by now
02:00 < rhqq> i never heard of the guy, but im not a gamer really
02:16 < coderphive> this chan is so roudy
02:16 < coderphive> rowdy
02:16 < coderphive> w/e
02:24 < packeteer> hey all, any tips for web app / API testing? specific software etc
02:28 < nohusuro> packeteer: you'll want something like selenium for UI testing web apps
02:29 < rhqq> REEEEEEEEEEE
02:29 < rhqq> first issue in my life that i'm lost and out of ideas
02:29 < nohusuro> for testing your API, not sure of automated solutions that exist, but most people seem to talk about Postman when testing their API's though I think that may be manual testing.
02:33 < packeteer> yeah we use Postman for manual testing, and Selenium  was my first suggestion, but apparently it's not what they want
02:35  * nohusuro shrugs
02:36 < nohusuro> I mean, Selenium is pretty much the industry standard for UI testing, so if that's not what they want. I don't have any suggestions.
02:43 < PrincessZoey> Legit crying over totalbiscuit
03:02 < technonerd> Me too
03:02 < rhqq> who was he, i mean
03:02 < rhqq> some reason he was any significant?
03:05 < packeteer> nohusuro: thanks anyway
03:05 < genr8_> he ran some gamer shit
03:07 < rhqq> like 95% of wnna be youtubers nowadays
03:08 <@JollyRgrs> who's biscuit?
03:08 < rhqq> yeah, my thoughts exactly
03:08 < genr8_> A british videogame broadcaster known for a deep cynical style who specialises in WoW, Starcraft and first impressions
03:09 < technonerd> Video game critic on YouTube
03:09 <@JollyRgrs> AND WHY IS HE BEING CRIED FOR?
03:09 <@JollyRgrs> oops on caps
03:10 < Tecuane> "guys im getting this error whats it mean?"
03:10 < genr8_> he had hundreds of thousands of fans
03:10 < Tecuane> "google it asshole"
03:10 < technonerd> He had problems in the past
03:10 < Tecuane> "crying over totalbiscuit"
03:10 < technonerd> And he's only 33
03:10 < Tecuane> "WHO IS THAT FEED ME INFO"
03:10 < Tecuane> the discrepancy really makes u think
03:11 <@JollyRgrs> technonerd: aaaannnnddd?
03:12 < technonerd> Popular well known person dies, fans get sad
03:12 <@JollyRgrs> oh, he died
03:12 < technonerd> Tldr
03:12 <@JollyRgrs> no one said that
03:12 < technonerd> Just a minor detail
03:12 < Tecuane> shoutout to big G(oogle) for filling me in on the information that JollyRgrs couldnt get
03:13 < Tecuane> mad appreciation for search engines tbh
03:13 < technonerd> Or. Just visit r all
03:13 <@JollyRgrs> i'm playing a game
03:13 < Tecuane> y'all heard of them? they're wild
03:13 <@JollyRgrs> no time for that
03:13 < Tecuane> im sure you tell your users that too
03:14  * MadCamel begins to play the bucket drums in earnest
03:14 < MillerBOSS> Shh people are sleeping downstairs
03:15 <@JollyRgrs> Tecuane: i don't deal with users
03:16 <@JollyRgrs> so no, i don't tell them that
03:17 < Casteil> SOLxCrono: Yeah, that's a huge bummer.. TB was a very well spoken, well educated dude
03:18 < Casteil> one of the best quality gameplay youtubers out there
03:19 <@JollyRgrs> ah, i read an article now (see Tecuane, i'm not a total crude)
03:19 < Tecuane> nice
03:19 <@JollyRgrs> you think his wife will pick up the cast like he hoped?
03:19 <@JollyRgrs> also... cancer sucks
03:20 < genr8_> she'll figure something out
03:20 < lineman60_> JollyRgrs she may but it won't be the same with out him
03:20 <@JollyRgrs> i'm sure it won't
03:21 < corn266> how do I explain to my boss (nicely) that throwing money at a problem will not make it go away?
03:22 < xamithan> it won't?
03:22 < Tecuane> it will eventually
03:22 < corn266> no it's a problem of paperwork
03:22 < Tecuane> either you'll hit the amount you need or you'll have covered the entire problem with money
03:22 < xamithan> Hire person that does paperwork,  problem solved
03:22 < Tecuane> either way its technically solved
03:23 < lineman60_> packeteer Selenium is the one i used and the one every one i know uses
03:23 < corn266> that's actually what I'm suggesting xamithan
03:23 < xamithan> That is solving a problem with money though
03:23 < lineman60_> opps didn't scroll don
03:23 < packeteer> lineman60_: yeah, I'm suggesting it. plus most commercial tolls can import
03:24 < corn266> yea but he asked if there was an "off the shelf product" that would solve the issue
03:25 < lineman60_> corn266 what's the problem?
03:25 < packeteer> corn266: money always solves problems, but the question then becomes, is the ROI ok by the company?
03:26 < corn266> We're attempting to get a laptop with 2 operatings systems cleared with DSS. However, I'm basically the ISSM, ISSO, SA, NA, etc. for the system and it has taken waaaay too much time.
03:27 < corn266> We had a meeting with our DSS rep tomorrow to look over the paperwork and system, but she canceled because I didn't have enough paperwork filled out.
03:27 < DeVito> Why dualboot instead of two laptops if it's this much hassle?
03:27 < corn266> BECAUSE MANGALMENT
03:27 < lineman60> corn266 feds? I'm sorry ya that sucks
03:28 < corn266> Also when the management had to clear a laptop they didn't have the RMF system, which begun right as I began the project
03:29 < corn266> So management assumed a 20 question worksheet and then classified system, but now it's 80 hours for a seasoned rep
03:29 < DeVito> Contract me on, I'd even go as low as $20/hr
03:29 < corn266> Do you have a clearance?
03:29 < DeVito> I can say I do with a straight face
03:30 < DeVito> And I once was in a govt building
03:30 < DeVito> Close enough
03:30 < corn266> hmmmm
03:30 < corn266> alright meet me at 123 abc street tomorrow and we can work out the details
03:30 < DeVito> Deal
03:30 < MillerBOSS> Is that under the Oak tree?
03:30 < MillerBOSS> Or by the bike rack?
03:30 < corn266> It's next to the oak tree
03:30 < DeVito> Send all payment to DeVito's Estate, Islamabad, Pakistan
03:31 < DeVito> Unmarked non-sequential twenty dollar bills
03:31 < lineman60> the hot blond western eroupean woman right
03:31 < corn266> actually sorry DeVito I don't think any lammas are bad
03:31 < DeVito> Crap
03:31 < DeVito> This business relationship isn't going to work out
03:31 < corn266> you're fired
03:31 < DeVito> :(
03:31 < MillerBOSS> I blame cryptic1
03:31 < rhqq> ^^
03:31 < rhqq> MillerBOSS: ++
03:31 < corn266> MillerBOSS ++
03:34 < nohusuro> Free game! https://www.humblebundle.com/store/hacknet-deluxe
03:35 < corn266> oh man maybe I can get past level 5 of CTF
03:36 < lineman60> https://itsfoss.com/hollywood-hacker-screen/
03:37 < lineman60> is what you need
03:37 < corn266> woah so my boss is actually continually emailing me resources for the paperwork
03:38 < corn266> It's fucking 9:37pm here
03:38 < sideup66> wow
03:38 < enix> Man I'm reading through the reverse engineered assembly code for pokemon blue/red and I feel like I'd never understand all of this in a million years
03:38 < sideup66> so CheckYourSix i was looking at the freedom rewards, they are eh for redemption
03:38 < sideup66> didnt buy anything, just was messing around with it to see what the system looks like
03:39 <+CheckYourSix> Best bet is transferring them to partner programs for airlines and hotels
03:39 < sideup66> like 80k points is 80 bucks
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> That's what all cards are...
03:40 < enix> vihttps://github.com/pret/pokered
03:40 < sideup66> idk, i expected more lol
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> Unless they give you specific bonus things
03:40 < sideup66> either way i just put everything on it, let it pile up rewards points
03:41 <+CheckYourSix> That's what I do
03:43 < sideup66> i did tie it to amazon incase i wanna use it
03:43 < sideup66> though im not going to, and kinda tempted to take it off
03:43 < sideup66> because id rather pile it up for a trip or something vs something off amazon where i can use it to gain more
03:44 < corn266> Has anyone read "The Hacker Playbook 3" ? If so, how usefull was it?
03:48 < Alternity> i'm more of a hacker playbook 4 guy
03:48 < corn266> playbook 3 came out this month, bro
03:49 < Alternity> i know a guy
03:49 < rpifan> some ppl been mxing up GDPR with GDR
03:50 < Alternity> i'm glad my company does no busihness with the eu
03:51 < rpifan> my cmopany has euro branches
03:51 < rpifan> many of them
03:51 < rpifan> i wish tye would trasnfer me
03:53 < DeVito> Our web team broke customer account logins for residential FTTH service
03:53 < DeVito> So we've been making jokes about GDPR compliance to them all day
03:53 < corn266> tell em to drop all pw tables and call it a day
03:55 < rpifan> i wsi my work drop all tables
03:55 < rpifan> my god the mess
03:55 < rpifan> it is unbelievalbe
03:56 < rpifan> ive told my boss im scared of doing osme of the dialy user email updates, we keep making it worse
03:56 < rpifan> and at least she is understanding
03:56 < Alternity> no way to automate?
03:56 < rpifan> thats part of the issue, no one and i mean no one, knows what all we have
03:56 < rpifan> we have a set of steps we follow
03:56 < rpifan> but they are getting more and more corrupted
03:57 < rpifan> and mangled
03:57 < rpifan> hell ive been fighting this last month just to get a PK autoincre on one of the DBS
04:00 < corn266> I went to one of lockheed martin's facilities today and omg I gotta say that place was fucking amazing
04:00 < corn266> if any of y'all ever get the chance to go, I'd highly recommend it. that shis was awesome
04:04 < corn266> woooooaaah
04:04 < rpifan> i wouldnt
04:04 < rpifan> i cant support the military industrial complex
04:04 < rpifan> fuckers
04:04 < rpifan> all of them
04:04 < corn266> I couldn't until they started paying me, you know
04:04 < corn266> I'm out here protecting our borders and you're telling me I suck rpifan
04:05 < rpifan> ...
04:05 < DeVito> If you're protecting our borders, how come the white man came in and took over this country
04:06 < corn266> Your canoes were no match to our spanish military equipment
04:06 < rpifan> so a friend of a friend gave me his laptop to fix
04:06 < corn266> inb4 child porn
04:06 < rpifan> should i investigate his porn staash
04:06 < corn266> yes
04:07  * rpifan takes a poll
04:07 < corn266> rpifan I'm corn's friend and I also say yes
04:07 < DeVito> Couldn't you change nicks at least
04:07 < corn266> sorry my friend doesn't know how to do that yet
04:07 < rpifan> lol
04:07 < DeVito> I'll give you one DeVitoCoin for this mediocre attempt
04:08 < rpifan> :cc devitocoin
04:08 < corn266> rpifan if it's not in a veracrypt container https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F5XiJKkn4TAg%2Fhqdefault.jpg&f=1
04:10 <+NinjaStyle> Alternity: ay
04:11 < corn266> NinjaStyle you working nights now?
04:12 <+NinjaStyle> Nah
04:12 < corn266> oh you're a (((foreigner)))
04:12 <+NinjaStyle> No I'm in murca
04:13 < corn266> oh
04:13 < corn266> why are you on?
04:13 <@JollyRgrs> same reason i am on?
04:13 <+NinjaStyle> Iunno
04:14 < corn266> Because you love us JollyRgrs
04:14 <@JollyRgrs> nope
04:14 <@JollyRgrs> def. not that
04:14 <+NinjaStyle> I only like maybe 4 of us
04:19 < corn266> :( but I love you JollyRgrs and NinjaStyle no homo
04:19 <+NinjaStyle> Thanks
04:21 < rpifan> {{foreigner}}
04:21 < rpifan> return foreigner
04:21 <@JollyRgrs> AND BE A JUKE BOX HEROOOOOOOOO
04:24  * MillerBOSS is listening to Adam Sandler - Do It For Your Mama from the album What The Hell Happened To Me? on Spotify.
04:24 <@Nostalg14c> Mornin.
04:25 <@JollyRgrs> which album has medium pace and weight lifting?
04:26 < MillerBOSS> https://open.spotify.com/album/5zwOZ8OK9aJlaLhsNOpRl5?si=0J8SiYwaQ52IsnJR_XpPkg
04:26 < MillerBOSS> They're All Gonna Laugh At You! Album
04:27 < m4221> JollyRgrs is such a jerk
04:27 < m4221> Oh shit, he is here isn't he
04:28 < MillerBOSS> Rub it for mama
04:28 < rhqq> lawl
04:28 < rhqq> :E
04:28 < MillerBOSS> Those two CDs got passed around so much in Middle/High school
04:29 < rhqq>  only if my internet allowed for checking that
04:29 < MillerBOSS> Checking what?
04:29 < rhqq> that spotify url
04:30 < MillerBOSS> Use this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR3PC8VDoz8&list=PLyjRnTK__OIaf1X2zowQ_XqmieOav4m4Q
04:31 < MillerBOSS> And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qipEOJVwv4&list=PLyjRnTK__OIa4-7ochmM_BQQtheFhXbVT
04:31 < MillerBOSS> Always a good laugh
04:32 < MillerBOSS> Wear headphones if at work
04:36 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/7PLAP9G.jpg < SHHHHHHIIIIIIIIINY
04:46 < rootsudo> Well, fuck.
04:46 < rootsudo> I got a remote job. I got a sp admin and I got a google interview.
04:46 < rootsudo> How am I going to fuck this u
04:48 < rpifan> plz put in a word for me plllzzz
04:50 < MillerBOSS> Casteil 👉 Did you get that wallpaper from interface lift?
04:54 < nojeffrey> https://www.itdevices.com.au/LTX2500G.php, it says: "LTO-6 Ultrium 250G / 6250 GB"
04:54 < nojeffrey> i don't know much about tape, is it 6.25TB capacity?
04:57 < nojeffrey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open this says LTO-6 has a native/raw capacity of 2.5TB
04:57 <+NinjaStyle> 2.5 uncompressed
04:57 <+NinjaStyle> Iirc
04:58 < nojeffrey> don't know where that 6250GB number comes from then
05:00 <+NinjaStyle> That's the compressed number but your actual will likely be between the 2.5 and 6.25
05:01 < nojeffrey> k, ta
05:08 < rpifan> yall i need a way to save screenshots as part of a documentation effort to demo to the devops / sys people that we suck, what can i use to collect and sort the images
05:09 < MillerBOSS> getsharex
05:09 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: onenote
05:10 < rpifan> atm everyone has access to the google tools
05:10 < rpifan> does google have anything like that
05:11 < MillerBOSS> Google Keep ?
05:11 < rpifan> havent heard of it or tried
05:11 < rpifan> but sure
05:12 < rpifan> i had started a google doc but i was sure that would be the worst way
05:19 < enix> rpifan: greenshot
05:20 < enix> open in editor, edit, copy to clipboard, paste into confluence
05:20 < rpifan> well the problem is i except 30 or 40 images, lets say and the point is just to show that these are erros not really make confluence entries of them
05:21 < rpifan> unless there is some other feature
05:21 < enix> You're probably going about it the wrong way
05:21 < enix> If you're doing a document of "common errors you'll encounter" or a "catalogue of errors", the images should be put next to the description of the error and a way to find a resolution
05:23 < rpifan> well the idea is no one knows that these errors exist they are not documented at all and there is no solution, the devops dont know about the xistance hence why they told me show us that these things are happenig
05:28 <@JollyRgrs> so m4221 just decided not to come back, lol
05:28 < MillerBOSS> Yeah right
05:28 <@JollyRgrs> oh, he did and then left
05:29 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: tbh, google docs should be plenty fine
05:29 < MillerBOSS> Way to go JollyRgrs
05:29 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: you said 30-40 images for your documentation of the issues?
05:30 <@JollyRgrs> are these like... small snips of stuff or like large full size screenshots?
05:30 < rpifan> well thats part of what i need to define with the tech support ppl, cause they a little dull it might be a mix.
05:30 < rpifan> i need help with the confluence too
05:30 < rpifan> but thats later
05:31 <@JollyRgrs> so srsly, just make a word doc... split up the docs, 1 doc per set of instructions you are following (or writing down)
05:31 <@JollyRgrs> like "to repeat error 1, do steps 1-7"
05:31 <@JollyRgrs> then "to repeat error 2, do steps 1-5" in a new doc
05:32 < rpifan> yea i was thnkking that, but it has to be google sheets or w/e so everyone can contribute
05:32 < rpifan> or docs
05:32 < rpifan> or w/e its called
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> well, which one?
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> sheets is excel, docs is word
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> and like i said... google docs
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, you could do sheets, but taht'd be a PITA to edit/type
05:32 < rpifan> docs
05:32 < rpifan> that one
05:32 < rpifan> i got confuesed
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> it's no diff than word as far as you will be concerned
05:33 < rpifan> yea
05:41 < rpifan> what does a product manager do
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> manager of the product?
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> prob varies greatly from company to company
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> but they'd be the manager of the product... so all the goings on about it, they'd be the manager over
05:44 < rpifan> but is it a technical position
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> it's uh... kinda in the name i guess
05:44 < rpifan> or an admin thing
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> what is the last word in the title?
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> and tbh, depending on the product, nothing on the team might be technical, or it might be VERY techincal
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> if your product is Service Now and you are manager of it... it means you manage the people/teams that keep it working, that update it, the people that might use it... i dunno
05:45 < rpifan> hm
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> but i'd say much more an admin thing as in paperwork/meetings administration... not sysadmin work
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> but again... if you are product manager of kubernetes
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> maybe it will be
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> it's VERY vague
05:46 < rpifan> aka meh
05:46 < rpifan> move on
05:47 <@JollyRgrs> it would not be a job i would go after
05:47 <@JollyRgrs> especially so early in your career
05:48 <@JollyRgrs> unless you want to REALLY REALLY REALLY be IT mgmt
05:48 <@JollyRgrs> if that's your goal and position of nirvana, go for it
05:48 <@JollyRgrs> and may God have mercy on your soul
05:48 < rpifan> nop
05:49 <@JollyRgrs> time for some shut eye
05:51 < rpifan> no
05:51 < rpifan> its nly 12
05:55 < darkscrypt> rpifan for docs use greenshot
05:55 < darkscrypt> love that program for writing quick documentation and stuff. I use it all the time
06:05 <+NinjaStyle> Booop
06:14 < enix> One single users internet is slow
06:15 < enix> everyone elses 200Mbps down, hers is 1.6 if she's lucky to connect in
06:15 < enix> Speedtest.net not working had to use fast.com
06:15 < enix> what-the-fuck
06:15 < enix> there's nothing weird on her company
06:17 < nohusuro> enix: bad cabling?
06:18 < enix> i have no need to bring my line tester to work
06:18 < enix> So cant tell :(
06:18 < enix> but probably
06:18 < enix> cmd
06:18 < enix> oops
06:18 < nohusuro> check port statistics
06:18 < nohusuro> on the switch
06:18 < nohusuro> will see if there are any drops or CRC errors
06:19 < enix> will get the GM to do it thanks
06:19  * enix doesn't have access to anything here
06:19 < enix> ping speeds are normal
06:19 < enix> m
06:19 < nohusuro> you could ping from her computer and you'll see if packets are dropping
06:19 < enix> hm
06:19 < nohusuro> also a trace route
06:19 < enix> tracert to my personal server was at 153 ms, same as my compute rnot having an issue
06:19 < enix> ping fine
06:19 < nohusuro> windows computer?
06:19 < enix> I'll chat to gm tell him to check the switch
06:20 < nohusuro> check our network tab on resource monitor
06:20 < nohusuro> see if her network is being used elsewhere
06:20 <+NinjaStyle> Try pathping
06:20 <+NinjaStyle> Too
06:21 < nohusuro> you can always use wireshark to check for networking issues too
06:21 < nohusuro> and if you're going to ping, do an extended ping, rather than the standard 4 count
06:21 < cantibot> GUYS
06:21 < cantibot> I figured out how to save reddit.
06:21 < cantibot> ready for this?
06:21 < cantibot> MOTHER. FUCKING. BLOCKCHAIN.
06:21 < nohusuro> is reddit going out of business?
06:21 <+NinjaStyle> I think pathping does like 100 by default to each router in a tracert
06:22 < cantibot> not going out of business but I feel content and layout are on the downswing.
06:22 <+NinjaStyle> Reddit sucks
06:22 < cantibot> What if I were to say to you that, upvotes are a finite resource.
06:22 <+NinjaStyle> Use Twitter
06:23 < cantibot> That if you upvoted something, it had to come from your own cache of upvotes
06:23 <+NinjaStyle> Meh
06:23 < cantibot> would shitposting go down as people woudn't waste their upvotes on frivilous bullshit?
06:23 < cantibot> More OC as people want to generate more upvotes for themselves?
06:23 <+NinjaStyle> Boots would go way up
06:24 <+NinjaStyle> Bots*
06:24 < cantibot> fuck....
06:24 < nohusuro> you'd just get russian spambots mining all the votes and moderating the content
06:24 < cantibot> WE IMPLEMENT A TRADING AND SECURITIES COMMISION!
06:24 < cantibot> Everyone has to file forms accounting for ther upvoating activities!
06:25 < nohusuro> Your ideas are bad, and you should feel bad.
06:25 < cantibot> WE ARE CUTTING DOWN ON ORGANIZED CRIME AND ILLEGAL UPVOAT MINING/TRADING
06:25 < cantibot> I seriously stopped getting high and jerking off JUST to VPN into work to tell you all this.
06:25 < cantibot> AND THIS IS HOW I AM THANKED?!
06:25 < nohusuro> should probably go back to those things
06:26 < nohusuro> you're better at them
06:26 < cantibot> fuck. off.
06:26 <+NinjaStyle> Sorry cantibot
06:26 < cantibot> I was so excited ;_;
06:26 < nohusuro> because you're high and have jerk-off endorphins?
06:27 < cantibot> Well, my heartbeat was a little fast
06:27 < cantibot> maybe I just mistook it for me having a good idea and not shooting big dehydrating loads.
06:27 < cantibot> well, whatever. I'll see you assholes tomorrow.
06:28 <+NinjaStyle> cantibot: drink some electrolytes
06:28 < cantibot> on it!
06:28 <+NinjaStyle> You braindead from beating the brain
06:28 < cantibot> lol
06:29 <+NinjaStyle> Jk jk
06:43 < MadCamel> brawndo has electrolytes!
06:43 < MadCamel> It's got what plants crave!
07:03 < enix> Third beers really kicking it with such a large mexican feast
07:03 < enix> ooooft I want to hibernate
07:51 < Church-> Heya MadCamel enix
07:52 < MadCamel> off my bones
07:52 < MadCamel> oh heya
07:52 < MadCamel> and crap it's late
07:52 < Church-> Eyep
07:53 < Church-> Just rewatching some old cynical brit stuff.
07:57 < aName> So I was trying to explain a hypervisor to my girlfriend - "it's like the matrix, but for computers, instead of people" was the best I could come up with
08:28 < enix> Finally
08:28 < enix> FINALLY
08:28 < enix> I spent all day on it, but I FINALLY have a skyblock server to play on the way home
08:29 < enix> Only took me four beers to do it
08:36 < nohusuro> enix: which server did you go with?
08:38 < nohusuro> aName: how did that come up in conversation?
08:38 < aName> Mostly she just wanted to know what the glowing thing under my bed was
08:40 < nohusuro> bed warmer
08:40 < nohusuro> static noise generator
08:54 < plop> morning
09:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> good mornig
09:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> big boss does not understand apple id
09:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> i don't understand big boss
09:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> what now?
09:34 < MillerBOSS> Whats not to understand with Apple ID?
09:37 < LegalDrokz|PI> is it an email address?
09:37 < LegalDrokz|PI> is it an account?
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> why does it come up everytime i open up my ipad?
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> what's my password?
09:38 < MillerBOSS> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH25721?locale=en_US&viewlocale=en_US
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> why do you know my password?
09:38 < MillerBOSS> Pretty simple. :P
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> i don't want anyone to be able to access my ipad
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> what's my password?
09:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> that kinda stuff
09:39 < MillerBOSS> https://iforgot.apple.com
09:39 < LegalDrokz|PI> yes and i will have to spend 30 minutes with him walking through the steps
09:39 < LegalDrokz|PI> ask him to note down the new password he has chosen
09:39 < MillerBOSS> Make him understand instead of him allowing say I'll figure it out later
09:39 < LegalDrokz|PI> and lo and behold, a few months later
09:40 < MillerBOSS> Password manager
09:40 < MillerBOSS> :P
09:40 < MillerBOSS> :)
09:40 < LegalDrokz|PI> he has a full time secretary
09:48 < MillerBOSS> https://www.techmeme.com/180524/p27#a180524p27  >After allegations Alexa recorded a private conversation and sent it to a person in contact list, Amazon says the case was extremely rare, is taking steps to fix
09:54 < plop> sup MillerBOSS
09:55 < MillerBOSS> Feeding my face
09:55 < plop> good
09:58 < MillerBOSS> Whats going on over there plop ?
10:02 < plop> not much
10:03 < plop> a coworker had a spot in a reserveation at el celler de can roca for end of june and i'm going
10:04 < MillerBOSS> Is that something fancy?
10:04 < plop> yeah.
10:04 < plop> there only 2 other fancier places in the world hah
10:07 < Phendrana> anyone in here good at any sort of linux scripting language
10:07 < Phendrana> I need to achieve something in particular but I'm not 100% sure how to go about it
10:07 < nohusuro> Phendrana: is python available?
10:07 < nohusuro> or are you talking bash only?
10:08 < nohusuro> and what are you trying to achieve
10:08 < nohusuro> probably best to start with that as the question.
10:08 < MillerBOSS> That place reminds me of http://www.vikings.ph/ plop
10:08 < Phendrana> basically; I need to write a script that will read a log file. The log file outputs 4 specific lines, we'll call them output0-3, they appear in no specific order and sometimes there's a 5th line that appears at a random interval. I need to make something that can read the lines and say "yes, output0-3 is present"
10:08 < Phendrana> or if not, tell me what line isn't
10:08 < Phendrana> and yes, python is available.
10:09 < nohusuro> so the individual output is specific? it doesn't change?
10:09 < MillerBOSS> Located here https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vikings+Luxury+Buffet,+SM+Mall+of+Asia/@14.5405784,120.9768842,17z/
10:09 < Phendrana> Yeah, doesn't change
10:09 < Phendrana> so ideally it'd look for the 0-3 lines, ignore line 5
10:10 < nohusuro> ok, and now, what are you trying to achieve by doing that?
10:10 < Phendrana> and then flag up if anything else is not those things
10:10 < plop> lol MillerBOSS
10:10 < Phendrana> I was going to then have the output generated by the script created to read them, get read by zabbix and report if everything is okay
10:10 < plop> MillerBOSS, looks amazong
10:10 < Phendrana> or if not, trigger a warning/email infrastructure etc.
10:10 < MillerBOSS> Yeah it is
10:11 < plop> so, i'm pretty exited to go to el celler.
10:11 < MillerBOSS> Thats looks like a drive too for you
10:11 < MillerBOSS> Looking at Google Maps
10:11 < plop> its at 30km from where i live
10:12 < nohusuro> Phendrana: you could put the specific lines you're expecting in another text file
10:12 < nohusuro> then use grep to intersect
10:13 < Phendrana> I'll pull an example of the output.
10:13 < nohusuro> probably helpful
10:13 < Phendrana> OH
10:13 < Phendrana> I just noticed
10:13 < Phendrana> it is always in the same order; I must have been looking at it funny.
10:14 < nohusuro> then you could just use diff
10:14 < Phendrana> yeah, it's became a lot easier now.
10:16 < Phendrana> https://paste.ee/p/jtSpv
10:16 < Phendrana> there's the output anyway
10:18 < MillerBOSS> Wow people are dumb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67_7ajL9dY8
10:27 < ihre> plop: one thing about michelin stars: the more stars, the smaller the dishes seem to get :P
10:44 < Phendrana> okay I still don't actually have an idea on how to do what I need to achieve.
10:44 < LegalDrokz|PI> a problem we al face and need to overcome to grow
10:45 < Phendrana> I need it to read the lines 4 at a time.
10:45 < Phendrana> and I'm not sed/awk expert.
10:45 < Phendrana> no*
10:45 < LegalDrokz|PI> yer a wizard phen, you can do it
10:45 < Phendrana> psh
10:46 < LegalDrokz|PI> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11560544/how-to-process-every-other-line-in-bash
10:47 < LegalDrokz|PI> or maybe regular expressions?
10:48 < plop> ihre, true lol
10:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> you could start by writing the steps needed in psuedo code...\
10:50 < Phendrana> got uh
10:51 < Phendrana> tail -6 log.log | grep -A 5 "extranet/3/in"
10:51 < Phendrana> KINDA works.
10:51 < Phendrana> actually, no it doesn't.
10:52 < Reverend> sup nerds
10:59 < FenJai> Morning Reverend
11:00 < Reverend> hows it going FenJai?
11:00 < FenJai> Not bad. Some kind of mad scramble for GDPR thats still kind of going on today
11:50 < Phendrana> I've came up with an incredibly inelegant solution-ish
11:50 < Phendrana> https://paste.ee/p/w6M5p
11:50 < Phendrana> ran like script.sh | tail -1 | grep "OK"
11:55 < FenJai> What is it meant to do Phendrana ?
11:55 < fraser> it is now 5 minutes until I leave
11:55 < fraser> ask me anything
11:55 < fraser> le reddit (xd) ama
11:55 < MillerBOSS> How much did you get done today?
11:55 < fraser> resolved like 24 tickets
11:55 < FenJai> fraser, how much do you earn and whats your job title ?
11:56 < fraser> I mean I'm not even a real sysadmin tbh
11:56 < MillerBOSS> Lie, duh
11:56 < FenJai> mods, MODS !
11:56 < fraser> I'm Systems Technician 50k AUD
11:56 < fraser> But I'm the only linux guy here
11:56 < fraser> so
11:57 < fraser> Everyone was sick today, we had like three people out of our eight man team
11:57 < Phendrana> FenJai - read the last 5 lines of a log file specifically if it contains a string of text, if it does, then it reads the next line, if that's fine, the next line, etc etc. If it fails, it just exits
11:57 < fraser> the remaining ones were out most of the day
11:57 < fraser> Last week on Friday I pulled an alpha move
11:58 < fraser> Accidentally left a shit in the toilet and someone found it
11:58 < fraser> alpha move boys, alpha move
12:01 < fraser> well, time to head off I guess
12:01 < fraser> 6PM
14:27 < rhqq> hi guys
14:28 < rhqq> **crickets
14:31 < rhqq> geez, so quiet in here today O_o
14:31 < arlion> FINE, ILL TALK LOUDLY
14:31 < arlion> GOOD MORNING RHQQ
14:31 < rhqq> ...
14:31 < arlion> I SUSPECT EVERYONE IS TAKING A LONG WEEKEND DUE TO MEMORIAL DAY.
14:32 < rhqq> memorial day?
14:32 < FenJai> MORNING RHQQ
14:32 < FenJai> YES, ITS A US BASED HOLIDAY
14:32 < arlion> A US and UK holiday
14:32 < rhqq> ok, but its on monday
14:32 < rhqq> not friday
14:32 < wabb1t> right but if you take today off you get a 4 day weekend
14:32 < rhqq> fucking slackers
14:32 < arlion> Take 1 day off pto, 4 day weekend.
14:32 < rhqq> freeloaders
14:33 < wabb1t> well, yea
14:33 < wabb1t> PTO is a thing you earn, use it!
14:33 < arlion> benefits of working for the man?
14:33 < rhqq> iunno, i didnt take any days off for last 5 years
14:33 < rhqq> $_$
14:33 < arlion> yea brah, take a day off
14:34 < rhqq> nah
14:34 < rhqq> work for me is like a constant vacation
14:34 < arlion> ah, home life is shit?
14:35 < rhqq> yeah, and i just travel wherever i can connect to internetz
14:36 < FenJai> Whats your work/home relationship life like rhqq ?
14:37 < rhqq> what do you mean
14:42 <@Code_Man65> You may rejoice, for a Friday before a 3 day weekend has arrived
14:42 < rhqq> o,o
15:03 < Reverend> Code_Man65 REJOICE
15:04 < plop> lol @microsft "Unfortunately, the activation system gets "confused" when you try to activate Office on a computer that has 2 unactivated copies installed"
15:04 < plop> "confused"
15:07 < corn266> ShowerThought: actors/actresses use the red carpet to hide the blood drip from coke noses
15:11 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/05/valve-apple-wont-let-the-steam-link-app-on-the-ios/
15:11 < Hatter> oh good morning guys tgif am I right
15:13 < plop> Hatter, ro-friday
15:13 < corn266> ha ha tgif what a unique and original joke am I right
15:15 < Hatter> hey corn it's a little early to get on my list for the day
15:15 < Hatter> how about an apology
15:17 < corn266> no
15:17 < Nightcinder> haha tgif oh wait
15:17 < Nightcinder> i'm off today
15:17 < Nightcinder> fuck you bitchessss
15:18 < Anaphylaxis> :(
15:18 < corn266> Nightcinder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22rDfUc9HgA
15:18 < Nightcinder> i have monday off
15:18 < corn266> exactly
15:18 < Nightcinder> and chipotle is adding drive thru windows
15:19 < corn266> WHAT
15:19 < Nightcinder> https://www.delish.com/food-news/news/a54521/chipotle-drive-thru-windows/?src=socialflowFBDEL
15:19 < AnimalFarmPig> yay! Friday! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4tbZ7xnEjk
15:19 < genr8_> about time
15:20 < corn266> I'll watch this tonight AnimalFarmPig
15:20 < AnimalFarmPig> you know, I haven't watched that in a long time. I should watch it at work today
15:21 < corn266> I have paperwork :(
15:22 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm working from home today. Pretty sure all my colleagues are phoning it in.
15:22 < hxcsp> more dots
15:22 < Nightcinder> i took today off and my boss tells me last night 'oh it's only a half day today'
15:22 < Nightcinder> fucker
15:22 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, company rented a movie theater this afternoon for the new Star Wars movie. Pretty much a half day for us as well.
15:23 < chesshire> Finally Friday!
15:23 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig: plz hir me
15:23 < chesshire> Whoah whoah wahoh, how do I get in AnimalFarmPig
15:24 < chesshire> It'd be a cold day in hell if my company ever did something like that.
15:24 < Nightcinder> too bad they couldn't pick a good movie
15:24 < corn266> Wait which one is the new star wars movie
15:24 < Nightcinder> solo
15:25 < corn266> that's already out?
15:25 < Nightcinder> yus
15:25 < Nightcinder> today is release day
15:25 < corn266> disney rubbin them out like a horny teenager
15:26 < chesshire> Gotta cash in on that $4 Billion
15:26 < corn266> seriously though
15:26 < ihre> Fuck Star Wars.
15:28 < corn266> yea, nintendo all the way ihre
15:29 < AnimalFarmPig> ehh... company likes to do perks :shrug:
15:30 < AnimalFarmPig> I think some executive has a thing for Star Wars, actually
15:30 < AnimalFarmPig> because it's every Star Wars movie, and not any other franchise
15:30 < ihre> oh i'd watch it as well, if $comp rented out a movie, but i just dont like star wars :p
15:31 < ihre> s/movie/movie theater :3
15:32 < humpaxx> Heya fellas
15:32 < Nightcinder> i like star wars
15:32 < Nightcinder> i don't like the spin offs
15:33 < hxcsp> my company takes people on tripes to europe
15:33 < hxcsp> trips*
15:33 < hxcsp> only if you are clevel ofc
15:33 < hxcsp> the rest of us get to go bowling
15:34 < humpaxx> hxcsp: bowling is kinda fun tho
15:34 < ebol4> then you get the bowling ball grease all over your hands
15:34 < hxcsp> humpaxx: yeah who wants to go to europe anyways
15:34 < ebol4> feels bad man
15:35 < ihre> "fuck it lets go bowling"
15:35 < Nightcinder> the c-level trips that my execs take are no pleasure
15:35 < Nightcinder> one of our C levels stepped down so now everyone has more work
15:35 < Nightcinder> so they actually have to work the entire 'trip'
15:36 < Nightcinder> even on the 'retreat' it's a 'work retreat' where they have to come up with a new vision for the business
15:36 <@ravioli> ihre: Cousin!
15:40 < LegalDrokz|PI> i have a colleague named roman
15:40 < LegalDrokz|PI> he's from russia
15:40 < chesshire> Bowling sounds good,
15:41 < chesshire> I should have taken today off...
15:41 < LegalDrokz|PI> we have made the joke too often
15:41 < LegalDrokz|PI> cant wait until its friday
15:42 <@ravioli> you almost just gave me a heart attack
15:42 < LegalDrokz|PI> Nightcinder: if you like star wars but hate spin offs... why do you like star wars? its a star trek spin off
15:42 <@ravioli> star wars are prequels to star trek
15:42 < LegalDrokz|PI> chronologically yes
15:42 <@ravioli> also in canon.
15:43 < LegalDrokz|PI> cannologically yes
15:43 < LegalDrokz|PI> so, anyone got a good GDPR story?
15:43 < chesshire> Star Wars is a history, Star Trek is what the future may hold
15:44 < AnimalFarmPig> belief in advanced ancient civilizations is one of the most common "paranormal" beliefs in the US-- something like 85% of people believe that they existed
15:44 < AnimalFarmPig> star wars could be a documentary
15:45 < LegalDrokz|PI> AnimalFarmPig: advanced ancient civilizations are very much a fact
15:45 < LegalDrokz|PI> source: youtube
15:46 < int0x1C8> taintcient failiens
15:46 < ebol4> george lucas is actually just a moron who snuck into a time travel machine and got out of the past
15:46 < LegalDrokz|PI> 50% true
15:47 < AnimalFarmPig> LegalDrokz|PI: You think I don't know? Screenshot from my DVR system-- https://i.imgur.com/dfutMkX.jpg
15:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> lol @ activate windows
15:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> also, nice collection!
15:48 < int0x1C8> I can only watch that show when I'm too high to function
15:48 < int0x1C8> otherwise I get too pissed off
15:49 < AnimalFarmPig> thx
15:49 < ravioli> i can't see the appeal of those shows
15:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> does any of those episodes describe the atlantis story about it being a continent of the coast of florida which sank because they held some kind of doom ceremony. The same type of ceremony which destroyed mars?
15:49 < ebol4> mars is gone?
15:50 < ravioli> f
15:50 < AnimalFarmPig> hmmm.... maybe? I bet they discuss the Bimini Wall at some point
15:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> it destroyed mars' atmosphere
15:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swe3EOKCbFI
15:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> this is the video about it
15:50 < AnimalFarmPig> which is usually taken as evidence of Atlantis off the coast of Florida
15:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> highly recommended to smoke up before
15:51 < LegalDrokz|PI> and just turn off all skeptism, it's pretty fun
15:51 < Nightcinder> question
15:51 < Nightcinder> should i put plex on my NAS or my shield TV?
15:51 < LegalDrokz|PI> the client you mean?
15:51 < Heresiarch> Nightcinder: what sort of hw is the NAS?
15:51 < md5sumo> Whish is less complicated to set up for a test/lab environment Xenserver or KVM?
15:51 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, willing suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy these things
15:51 < Nightcinder> no the server
15:51 < AnimalFarmPig> md5sumo: I found XenServer to be super easy to set up
15:52 < felda> DING DONGER!  We're updating our IRC privacy policy say yes to receive donger facts!
15:52 < LegalDrokz|PI> md5sumo: how comfortable are you with linux?
15:52 < md5sumo> very
15:52 < am0nrahx> pfchangs
15:52 < LegalDrokz|PI> how about proxmox md5sumo ?
15:52 < ebol4> md5sumo: they're both pretty simple, can't really go wrong with either
15:52 < ebol4> i used xen personally, as the config files were easier to read imo
15:52 < ebol4> looked cleaner
15:52 < Heresiarch> md5sumo: stick with KVM. Xen is (slowly) being deprecated.
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> yes (donger facts please)
15:53 < AnimalFarmPig> I tried proxmox before going with xenserver. I xenserver felt so much more "polished"
15:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> i'd say Heresiarch has a very good point
15:53 < AnimalFarmPig> I would rather pirated esxi before proxmox for home use
15:54 < Nightcinder> readynas 2120
15:54 < Nightcinder> Heresiarch:
15:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> or pirate windows server and get hyper V, even better
15:54 < md5sumo> i have esxi available to use but I would like to branch out a bit
15:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> the most stable, well designed of hypervisors
15:54 < estranger> VMWare GSX, FTW
15:54 < Heresiarch> Nightcinder: stick it on the Shield. You'll probably get stutter trying to transcode on the readynas.
15:54 < felda> abstaining from the privacy policy automatically accepts
15:55 < Nightcinder> fair, i just know it has the option on the readynas
15:55 < felda> enjoy your new subscription to donger facts!
15:55 < felda> Praise the Sun! ( ﾉ ﾟｰﾟ)ﾉ☀️ヽ(ﾟｰﾟヽ)
15:55 < ebol4> baby sun
15:55 < LegalDrokz|PI> ヽ ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ Did you know: Most dongers—78 percent of the yearly dongers supply—is made into fedoras. Other industries, mostly electronics, medical, and dental, require about 12 percent. The remaining 10 percent of the yearly dongers supply is used in financial transactions. ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
15:55 < md5sumo> thanks for the input fellas
15:55 < estranger> get your sun out of my face
15:55 < JFDkthx> felda: im in the EU im automatically opted out, unless i tell you otherwise.
15:56 < felda> Little known fact to scientists is that raising your donger actually causes the sun to rise
15:56 < Heresiarch> RIP Sun. Fuck Larry Ellison in the eye.
15:56 < ebol4> ☀️
15:56 < estranger> Heresiarch, lol
15:56 < Nightcinder> my shield tv refuses to get the 8.0 update
15:56 < Nightcinder> rage
15:56 < LegalDrokz|PI> no rage, cant handle
15:56 < JFDkthx> thats what you get for using an android product
15:56 < estranger> i love oracle
15:56 < JFDkthx> and not apple
15:56 < felda> uh oh
15:56 < JFDkthx> estranger: BURN HIM
15:56 < felda> here is a trickery one
15:56 < felda> (∩ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)⊃━☆ﾟ. * ･ ｡ﾟYou've been touched by the donger fairy
15:56 < LegalDrokz|PI> call SCP to contain estranger
15:56 < Heresiarch> estranger: ...dude. I can hear the giggling.
15:56 < felda> raise your dongers to be untouched
15:57 < estranger> JFDkthx, I love Oracle because everyone hates them, so they buy my stuff, which lets me continue my baller lifestyle
15:57 < Nightcinder> JFDkthx: if Apple made good products id use them
15:57 < Nightcinder> But they don't so I don't
15:57 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, wow. I decided to check disk usage on my plex box. `389G    ./Ancient Aliens (2010)` I guess that's where all my disk space went...
15:57 < JFDkthx> Nightcinder: tell that to the millions of people that own their phones, watches, laptops, and lifestyle
15:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> apple makes good products
15:58 < JFDkthx> its pretty clear which is the superior phone, apple > android
15:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> and at least they are not focussing their business model on selling your privacy
15:58 < JFDkthx> macos >freebsd
15:58 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: so, are you suggesting that md5sumo run Oracle VM Server for x86?
15:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> yeah an android phone is cheaper
15:59 < AnimalFarmPig> with Oracle Unbreakable Linux VM's :)
15:59 < LegalDrokz|PI> but it probably comes with facebook preinstalled and no way to remove it without rooting the device
15:59 < JFDkthx> LegalDrokz|PI: who cares
15:59 < JFDkthx> what do you have to hide
15:59 < genr8_> omg
15:59 < LegalDrokz|PI> privacy matters #gdpr 2018
15:59 < Nightcinder> MacBook since touch bar has been crap. Apple TV is a joke
15:59 < AnimalFarmPig> my Windows Phone didn't come with Facebook
15:59 < estranger> da hell is md5sumo
15:59 < Nightcinder> So yeah. I'll pass on apple products
16:00 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: he was asking on opinions of xenserver vs kvm
16:00 < AnimalFarmPig> or virtualization server in general
16:00 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: your windows phone didnt come with anything because no one wants to dev for it
16:00 < estranger> oh
16:00 < md5sumo> estranger: Me
16:00 < estranger> i suggest VMWare GSX and Miley Cyrus linux
16:00 < Nightcinder> I much prefer my pixel to the iPhone 8 and X
16:01 < AnimalFarmPig> JFDkthx: one of my coworkers signed up for a thing where microsoft would pay you something like $200 per windows phone app you developed. He decided not to bother.
16:01 < JFDkthx> LegalDrokz|PI: we're in america, we dont need shit like that. EU is a nanny state that coddles all of it's (((immigrants)))
16:01 < hxcsp> estranger: Biebian is way better
16:01 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: completely understandable.
16:01 < estranger> hxcsp, acceptable answer
16:01 < LegalDrokz|PI> JFDkthx: okay, you will cry when it's too late
16:01 < JFDkthx> LegalDrokz|PI: why would i?
16:01 < LegalDrokz|PI> because you will be sad
16:01 < JFDkthx> over?
16:02 < corn266> oh. you know
16:02 < LegalDrokz|PI> not being allowed to think thoughts
16:02 < rhqq> immigrants?
16:02 < JFDkthx> LegalDrokz|PI i've already divulged my entire life to the govt.
16:02 < rhqq> JFDkthx: why did you use jew mark on these? :P
16:02 < JFDkthx> who cares
16:02 < JFDkthx> rhqq: hehehehe
16:02 < rhqq> these mostly muslim, not jews
16:03 < JFDkthx> LegalDrokz|PI: you act like privacy is a right.
16:03 < JFDkthx> we're social people
16:03 < JFDkthx> meant to be out in the open
16:03 < JFDkthx> not bottled up in our SAFE SPACE
16:03 < corn266> speaking of; JFDkthx have you been to lockheed  martin?
16:03 < JFDkthx> nah
16:04 < corn266> I'd recommend going if you get the chance. I can't say anything specific, but that shit was nuts
16:04 < JFDkthx> corn266: i mean i know.
16:04 < JFDkthx> i've worked with the big DOD contractors
16:05 < corn266> Just making sure you knew. I thought "Oh it's going to be an open space the size of 5 football fields with 1 or 2 teams working" it was not
16:05 < JFDkthx> nah.
16:05 < Casteil> this Eraser application is stupid, you can't change it away from 35 passes
16:05 < JFDkthx> Casteil: pull it out before it finishes?
16:08 < felda> just wanted to let everyone know there are snickerdoodles in the kitchen
16:09 < darkscrypt> felda: thank you!
16:09 < darkscrypt> felda: cookies in the breakroom
16:10 < ebol4> sing to the tune of smokin in the boys room
16:10 < ebol4> cookies in the break room
16:13 <@cryptic1> morning
16:13 < darkscrypt> herro
16:13 < corn266> cryptic1: back to work
16:13 < darkscrypt> happy 5th monday of the week.
16:14 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
16:14 < rhqq> corn266: that's my line! :P
16:14 < darkscrypt> new high priority. SLA breached, management notified. HOT POTATOE
16:15 < corn266> rhqq: back to work
16:17 < rhqq> corn266: i'm reflashing my router
16:17 < ebol4> lol like 5 people's phones just went off around me with an amber alert
16:17 < rhqq> so i can just wait patiently
16:18 < ebol4> scared the bejangus out of me
16:22 < darkscrypt> ebol4: god damn it amber.. quit loosing your kids
16:22 < darkscrypt> i think those amber alerts to phones are completely ineffective... for all the shit they have, give a god damn picture or something
16:23 < AnimalFarmPig> I turned off all the amber alerts, emergency alerts, etc. It's never useful information.
16:23 < darkscrypt> knowing that somebody is in a white sedan with 2 kids that are white in a town that's a 5 hour drive away from me at 3 am in the morning... is not helpful
16:24 < ebol4> darkscrypt: the one we just got in NYC was terrible. it literally just said "amber alert. check local media"
16:24 < ebol4> no info at all
16:24 < darkscrypt> they could very easily use PICTURES
16:24 < darkscrypt> my ex girlfriend had old phones that she gave her kids to listen to music to help them go to bed
16:24 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't want pictures sent to my phone
16:25 < darkscrypt> one night at 3 am each of them had an amber alert blast off
16:25 < ebol4> the radio station i listened to as a kid did regular alert system tests at like 2 am and always scared the shit out of me
16:25 < LegalDrokz|PI> who gives cellphones to kids
16:25 < felda> cryptic1, much like me, uses RAID as his backup
16:26 < int0x1C8> cryptic1.BackTo(Work)
16:26 <@cryptic1> yeap
16:26 <@cryptic1> D:
16:26 < darkscrypt> LegalDrokz|PI: the phones didn't have service. they were used for wifi and pandora at night on soft stations
16:26 <@Code_Man65> Work?  It's a Friday before a 3 day weekend
16:26 <@Code_Man65> Fuck that
16:26 < darkscrypt> LegalDrokz|PI: but they still get amber alerts
16:26 < ebol4> oh fuck it's a 3 day weekend
16:26 < LegalDrokz|PI> my 3 year old found out how to turn on the ligth in her room, now she doesnt sleep anymore
16:26 < AnimalFarmPig> RAID 1 is a backup that happens in real time. Change my mind.
16:26 < darkscrypt> apparently
16:26 < ebol4> hella
16:26 < LegalDrokz|PI> imagine she had a phone
16:26 <@cryptic1> Code_Man65, yeah about that going to need you to come in on monday anyways
16:26 < Hatter> are there any fun video games to play this weekend?
16:26 < darkscrypt> these kids were like 8 and 9
16:26 <@cryptic1> need those tps reports done by tuesday Code_Man65
16:26 < ebol4> Hatter: bunch on free weekend on steam
16:26 < int0x1C8> oh cool we're getting brats delivered from bratfest
16:27 < LegalDrokz|PI> then it's ok darkscrypt :)
16:27 < ebol4> int0x1C8: jelly as heck
16:27 < Hatter> ebol4: I'm not some cheapskate
16:27 < Heresiarch> Hatter: Battletech
16:27 < estranger> backups have historical data, RAID1 has no history.
16:27 < Hatter> Heresiarch: oh I've been on the fence about that one
16:28 < Heresiarch> Hatter: jump off. It's probably the closest we'll ever get to a video-game version of battletech tabletop.
16:28 < LegalDrokz|PI> AnimalFarmPig: definition of backup "a copy of a file or other item of data made in case the original is lost or damaged."
16:28 < LegalDrokz|PI> so by your idea, looking in the mirror is the same as taking a picture
16:28 < Hatter> Heresiarch: well I've always liked the battletech/mechwarrior games, but I've never played any of the tabletop stuff
16:28 < LegalDrokz|PI> wait, i can counter my own argument
16:28 < AnimalFarmPig> LegalDrokz|PI: what if you take a picture ever second?
16:28 < LegalDrokz|PI> if you keep standing in front of the mirror, it's actually the same as a picture
16:29 < LegalDrokz|PI> fuck
16:29 < AnimalFarmPig> if you take pictures frequently enough, it's like a mirror
16:29 < syere> what if you have a smart mirror with a camera?
16:29 <@Code_Man65> I already told you cryptic1, those reports were on your desk but you were so drunk on maple syrup you thought they were waffles and ate them.
16:29 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: (don't ruin my fun with your history thing)
16:30 < LegalDrokz|PI> okay how about you stand in front of the mirror
16:30 < LegalDrokz|PI> then shave your left eye brow
16:30 < LegalDrokz|PI> how can you restore your left eye brow after?
16:30 < AnimalFarmPig> although, RAID1 with a file system that does snapshots should satisfy the history portion
16:30 < syere> eyebrow marker?
16:30 < LegalDrokz|PI> syere: genius
16:30 < estranger> that is still sketchy, and is also against your original premise.  so we win.
16:30 < syere> girls do it all the time....
16:31 < ebol4> you can get eyebrows tattooed on
16:31 < AnimalFarmPig> you're being dogmatic
16:31 < ebol4> do dogs have eyebrows
16:31 < syere> yes
16:31 < AnimalFarmPig> is there some minimum backup interval before backups stop being backups?
16:31 < ebol4> nice
16:31 < darkscrypt> int0x1C8: what's the significance of your name? some x86 instruction?
16:32 < syere> they turn gray as they get older if they are a darker haired doggo
16:32 < ebol4> my man.... there is an "n" in his name
16:32 < ebol4> and a t
16:32 < AnimalFarmPig> like, if you backup once a day, it's a backup, but if you backup once an hour it's a mirror?
16:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> my mate has a cat, his mum cut the whiskers to 1 inch, it looked hilarious
16:32 < syere> that poor cat
16:32 < darkscrypt> ebol4: talking to me? yeah i'm talking about the 0x part
16:32 < syere> they need whiskers for balancing and knowing what they can fit in
16:32 < ebol4> i .... don't think you're supposed to cut the whiskers
16:32 < LegalDrokz|PI> he seemed pretty happy about his dapper appearance
16:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> and he kept getting stuck
16:33 < darkscrypt> LegalDrokz|PI: if you cut a cat's whiskers, they get stuck
16:33 < darkscrypt> yeah
16:33 < ebol4> darkscrypt: if you're being serious, it's intoxicate
16:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> like how do you think you will fit in that, cat
16:33 < LegalDrokz|PI> cat says, whiskers check out, hold my milk
16:33 < sideup66> You know how to crash a cat
16:33 < syere> cause his whiskers told him so!
16:33 < ebol4> darkscrypt: i can read it because we are 1337 name brothers
16:33 < darkscrypt> ebol4: i don't know how i missed that
16:33 < sideup66> You put something on it's nose
16:34 < Humpaxx> Hello again
16:34 < sideup66> Cat.exe freezes from unexpected input
16:34 < AnimalFarmPig> of course, once a day or once and hour might be too often for certain data, while it might be dangerously long for certain other data. The easy solution is to just send diffs of any file changes to another location as they happen.
16:34 < ebol4> darkscrypt: my name is not simply ebol four, it is a word
16:34 < darkscrypt> ebol4: i was converting it to decimal and then looking up for x86 instruction sets to see what it did
16:34 < darkscrypt> you are ebola
16:34 < AnimalFarmPig> gee... that sounds a lot like RAID 1
16:34 < corn266> https://pastebin.com/LPzUjG5X
16:34 < AnimalFarmPig> especially when used with a CoW file system
16:34 < darkscrypt> copy on win
16:35 < LegalDrokz|PI> btw i think i fixed the RAID == backup issue
16:35 < JFDkthx> ur a fukkin cowfs
16:35 < ebol4> you can just pull one of the hard drives out of the RAID1 array once per day and slip in a new hard drive and rebuild the array
16:35 < ebol4> boom remote backup
16:35 < LegalDrokz|PI> what if you take out half of the disks
16:35 < darkscrypt> cow-ffs. cow for fuks sake
16:35 < LegalDrokz|PI> and put in new disks and rebuild
16:35 < corn266> ebol4: I don't think that works but I don't know enough about panty raids to refute your point
16:35 < LegalDrokz|PI> then those disks you pulled are a backup, right???
16:35 < Heresiarch> ebol4: /r/holdmybeer
16:35 < darkscrypt> /r/stoppedworking
16:36 < JFDkthx> /r/nonono
16:36 < darkscrypt> https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/8lwaxf/free_boops/
16:36 < LegalDrokz|PI>  /r/wheredidthesodago
16:37 < LegalDrokz|PI>  /r/restofthefuckingowl
16:37 < darkscrypt> https://www.reddit.com/r/nonononoyes/
16:37 < LegalDrokz|PI> those are my favorites
16:37 < darkscrypt> i love no no no no yes
16:38 < darkscrypt> https://i.redd.it/mx5hsu8n8vz01.gif <--- iis application pool has gone offline
16:38 < LegalDrokz|PI> haha darkscrypt iis
16:38 < ebol4>  /r/densegifs is a recent favorite of mine
16:39 < Humpaxx> Hm
16:39 < Humpaxx> Dell EMC called about some kind of lottery that my boss won
16:39 < felda> anyone use portableapps on a flash drive before?
16:39 < felda> I remember using it a bit when I was in College
16:39 < darkscrypt> felda: yes. i used it a lot before
16:39 < corn266> I mean yea felda if you count notepad++ portable edition
16:40 < ebol4> Humpaxx: did they ask for his social security number
16:40 < LegalDrokz|PI> https://gfycat.com/FineAridGecko he seems so happy about crashing the boat
16:42 < LegalDrokz|PI> btw the thing about cats getting stuck with no whiskers or too short ones, is false
16:43 < LegalDrokz|PI> i dont know how you thought it was true, but it isn't
16:44 < estranger> LegalDrokz|PI, wtf is going on in that gif
16:44 < LegalDrokz|PI> the guy dodges on boat, is meh about it, then he gets rammed by another, and he's super happy about it happening
16:45 < LegalDrokz|PI> and he catches a mast with his face
16:45 < estranger> i dunno if that is a happy smile
16:45 < estranger> i smile when I concentrate
16:45 < Humpaxx> ebol4: no just his phonenumber so i gave them his real ext#
16:45 < LegalDrokz|PI> estranger: you never smile?
16:45 < estranger> actually I get yelled at for smiling too much
16:46 < LegalDrokz|PI> is it a friendly or creepy smile
16:46 < LegalDrokz|PI> asking for a friend
16:46 < estranger> super friendly
16:46 < LegalDrokz|PI> hmm yahh
16:46 < estranger> im supposed to build tension in the room sometimes, but my face is too disarming
16:46 < estranger> i got perfect teeth, why wouldnt i want to smile all the time?
16:47 < estranger> :D
16:47 < Hatter> braggart
16:47 < LegalDrokz|PI> hatter has yellow teeth
16:48 < Hatter> no I don't
16:48 < Hatter> but I do have a fang
16:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> only one?
16:48 < Hatter> yeah
16:48 < LegalDrokz|PI> are you self consicious about it?
16:48 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: if you want to build tension but don't want to stop smiling, try throwing in a wink or two
16:49 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, ;D
16:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> hehehe
16:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> :D ;) :D
16:49 < Hatter> no I kinda like it
16:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> no wait its :D ;D :D
16:49 < LegalDrokz|PI> keep the teeth up
16:49 < Heresiarch> Also depends on the smile. The right smile can build tension quite well. ^_^
16:49 < estranger> bling bling
16:50 < LegalDrokz|PI> 10 minutes left on the clock for GMT+1 masterrace
16:50 < estranger> sigh. got another call about K8s at the top of the hr
16:50 < Hatter> I blew up a contract because someone grinned at me the wrong way
16:50 < estranger> "hi I have no operational chops but I want to put our distributed stateful systems into K8s"
16:52 < Heresiarch> estranger: sounds like a job for a consultant.
16:53 < estranger> yup, wanna do it?
16:53 < estranger> =)
16:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> k8s sounds the same as docker
16:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> but weird name
16:53 < estranger> K8s orcastrates your dockers
16:53 < LegalDrokz|PI> its a docker for dockers?
16:53 < Heresiarch> estranger: only if I can bill exorbitantly and deliver a half-assed solution. ;)
16:53 < estranger> orchestrates
16:54 < estranger> LegalDrokz|PI, K8s is more like Docker Swarm
16:54 < estranger> but doesn't suck as much
16:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> ahh makes sense
16:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> every year, same principle new tech
16:54 < LegalDrokz|PI> sigh
16:55 < estranger> K8s is at least making really good strides.  I think by EOY my opinion on it will change to more favorable... if their roadmap pans out as expected
16:55 < felda> dang portableapps has a hole bunch of apps compared to when I used to use it
16:55 < JFDkthx> is it time to go home yet
16:56 < chesshire> JFDkthx: yes.
16:56 < abakedapplepie> portableapps was awesome then it went to shit, is it back to awesome
16:56 < JFDkthx> estranger: is your face disarming because when your enemies see it they run in fear
16:56 < chesshire> Their arms fall right off
16:57 < JFDkthx> leprosy spread by face
16:57 < Hatter> JFDkthx: maybe try saying nice things for once instead of hurtful comments
16:57 < JFDkthx> hatter i hope you ruin your favorite shoes
16:57 < LegalDrokz|PI> im going to go home
16:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> and look in the mirror to practice my smile
16:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> untill im like estranger
16:58 < JFDkthx> are you some robot
16:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> have a good weekend
16:58 < AnimalFarmPig> even though I've set swappiness to 1, my general purpose linux box still swaps even with very little memory pressure
16:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> JFDkthx: yes, a robot with privacy!
16:58 < LegalDrokz|PI> now eat
16:59 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: set nicety to -20
16:59 < JFDkthx> on all procs
16:59 < estranger> ive had more than one wackadoodle come up to me and say I have a calming aura about me... i dunno
16:59 < JFDkthx> estranger: you must fat lavender
16:59 < JFDkthx> fart
16:59 < AnimalFarmPig> JFDkthx: instructions unclear, everything reniced +20
16:59 < JFDkthx> kek
16:59 < Hatter> estranger: they were probably trying to have sex with you
17:01 < JFDkthx> notpfsense
17:01 < JFDkthx> er
17:01 < JFDkthx> opensense
17:01 < estranger> Hatter, those crazy wackadoodles
17:02 < Hatter> that's a pretty good word
17:02 < estranger> yeah..i should start to use it more I think
17:03 < gurgle> SO how many of you fellas using the new PornHub VPN?
17:03 < servchaN> poop
17:03 < AnimalFarmPig> Opera (The Safe, Fast Browser (tm)) comes with built-in VPN
17:04 < servchaN> cryptic1
17:04 < servchaN> servchan1
17:04 <@cryptic1> servchaN,
17:04 < servchaN> yes sir cryptic1 right away sir
17:04 <@cryptic1> someone please ban servchaN
17:04 <@cryptic1> haha
17:04 <@cryptic1> ravi lol
17:04 < notfelda> yes sir cryptic1 right away sir
17:06 < cipher6> Can I find a sympathetic ear for some malicious compliance?
17:06 < nurgle> yes
17:06 < nurgle> what else are we good for
17:06 < cipher6> Or some "I've been here before" reassurance?
17:06 < cipher6> Fair enough,
17:07 < cipher6> I run a tiny MSP doing break/fix, sometimes new/home installs,
17:07 < cipher6> mostly "my 14yo sons computer doesn't work" i think it has a virus,
17:07 < cipher6> Client calls, she has a "company laptop" (consumer HP, traditional Win10 image, no mods)
17:07 < Nightcinder> too much porn
17:07 < cipher6> Hard drive is clicking,
17:07 < nurgle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2U0NGDD1mw
17:07 < nurgle> relevant
17:07 < Nightcinder> i don't modify our win10 pro image
17:08 < Nightcinder> just join it to the domain
17:08 < notfelda> cipher6: and then?
17:08 < nurgle> NO AND THEN
17:08 < cipher6> Call the client back, charge 30 bucks to pull and mount hdd and copy to new hdd. Tell her 120$ for new hard drive and windows install, plus install the ram that her company sent her (Remote worker)
17:08 < Nightcinder> AND THEN AND THEN AND THEN
17:08 < cipher6> They tell her I'm "misinformed or intentionally gouging her for money" and they won't pay to install windows,
17:08 < cipher6> b/c HP has a special feature in the F11 button that will install windows for free
17:09 < Nightcinder> shouldn't the hdd be under warranty
17:09 < cipher6> I have the emails to prove they said this. She now has a laptop, with a brand new (blank) 1TB hdd, 16gb's of ram,
17:09 < cipher6> and no Operating system,
17:09 < AnimalFarmPig> lol
17:09 < pupp3r> lmao
17:09 < nurgle> hold on
17:09 < cipher6> Hdd was way outside of warranty, the "company" laptop was an OTS HP from Amazon that they sent her, and she set up herself
17:09 < nurgle> what did you copy over?
17:09 < cipher6> 7 pdfs
17:09 < nurgle> "charge 30 bucks to pull and mount hdd and copy to new hdd."
17:10 < cipher6> Yeah, to an external,
17:10 < Nightcinder> nothing, since no OS
17:10 < cipher6> just the files that she wanted,
17:10 < pupp3r> 30 bucks is pretty good
17:10 < nurgle> esp for 7 pdfs
17:10 < cipher6> which was 7 pdfs for clients, should say pulled and copied to flash drive,
17:10 < cipher6> not not hdd,
17:10 < nurgle> did they say do whatever to fix it
17:10 < cipher6> Moral of the story is, they ordered her a new hard drive, since hers was busted, but won't pay me to install windows
17:11 < cipher6> so she has a new hard drive with no OS,
17:11 < nurgle> fuck it
17:11 < mhache> lol
17:11 < nurgle> put templeos on it
17:11 < rpifan> hi
17:11 < nurgle> call it done
17:11 < cipher6> b/c the VP of Sales has accused me of swindling them, and told her to push F11 on boot and it will re-install windows for Free
17:11 < Nightcinder> >of sales
17:11 < Nightcinder> well there you go then
17:12 < cipher6> Yep,
17:12 < nurgle> i would trust him
17:12 < nurgle> he knows how to swindle people
17:12 < Nightcinder> so her company has no IT people?
17:12 < cipher6> The IT guy at their company refuses to speak with me via phone or email, and her company won't let her send the laptop in for service,
17:12 < cipher6> but the IT guy is CC'd on all the email chains,
17:12 < Nightcinder> wat
17:12 < cipher6> I'm thinking he's someones brother/sister/cuzn, and he doesn't know wtf he's talking about,
17:12 < Nightcinder> i would be pissed off if one of our users took their laptop to a service person instead of me
17:13 < cipher6> as he's the one who initially recommended the f11.
17:13 < Nightcinder> except for recalls
17:13 < cipher6> Nightcinder: you'd think, right?
17:13 < nurgle> Nightcinder: yeah but you're on irc, and that guy probably isnt
17:13 < nurgle> catch my drift
17:13 < Nightcinder> ya
17:13 < cipher6> I made her get me an email approving the work before i would touch it since i'm 3rd party
17:13 < Nightcinder> i'm also an actual sysadmin
17:13 < cipher6> nurgle: yep,
17:13 < nurgle> s/sysadmin/person
17:13 < cipher6> And on to another topic,
17:14 < nurgle> did they pay you before you gave them the laptop
17:14 < cipher6> For pulling the hard drive/saving the pdfs, yeah
17:14 < nurgle> new hdd too?
17:14  * rpifan works from home
17:14 < cipher6> the new hard drive won't be here till tuesday, so my story is actually a lie from the not-to-distant future,
17:14 < nurgle> if ur paid, fuk it man who cares
17:14 < nurgle> doesnt matter
17:15 < Nightcinder> my gf's work has the worst IT dept i've ever seen
17:15 < nurgle> if they dont want to play ball, just stab the ball and give it back to them
17:15 < cipher6> Does she work for an insurance company?
17:15 < Nightcinder> no, non profit social work
17:15 < cipher6> nurgle: "Stab the ball and give it back to them. I like that,
17:15 < nurgle> they have it?
17:15 < Nightcinder> yeah
17:15 < nurgle> oof
17:15 < Nightcinder> and the amount of restrictions they put on her pc is hilarious
17:15 < cipher6> at least they know how to use gpo/restrictions?
17:15 < cipher6> right....?
17:16 < cipher6> c:\ ping 8.8.8.8
17:16 < nurgle> Nightcinder: well, you would think that it's probably due to case work right?
17:16 < cipher6> "Ping command restricted: Please contact your administrator."
17:16 < Nightcinder> nurgle: yeah in theory
17:17 < Nightcinder> first company i've seen to removed the ability to hit the spacebar/use mouse to get rid of the win10 splash screen
17:17 < Nightcinder> you have to ctrl-alt-delete to enter your password
17:17 < nurgle> i have that here.
17:17 < Nightcinder> but why
17:17 < R-TypeEman> we have that here
17:17 < cipher6> On another note, what do you guys pay for some cat6 drops? standard riser utp cable, <300m
17:17 < cipher6> like 200/drop?
17:17 < Nightcinder> i just don't see the purpose
17:17 < Nightcinder> dunno, we make maintenance run all the cat6, and they buy it too
17:17 < nurgle> Nightcinder: we have a requirement to acknowledge the terms of use of it systems
17:18 < nurgle> CAD to bring up prompt, click ok. then you can log in.
17:18 < R-TypeEman> 250 canadian for a duplex drop
17:18 < nurgle> it was the same way for w7 computers
17:18 < Humpaxx> cipher6: don´t want them using that ping ddos tools, you can push like 65kb/s per ping
17:18 < nurgle> and vister
17:18 < cipher6> R-TypeEman: duplex? As in two lines, one cube?
17:18 < nurgle> Humpaxx: dont packet of death me bro
17:18 < R-TypeEman> two cables, two keystones, one box, one faceplate
17:18 < cipher6> Humpaxx: EXACTLY! Dangerous stuff, they might attack 127.0.0.1
17:19 < cipher6> R-TypeEman: hmm...I quoted 150usd for 88 lines, but 44 are duplex,
17:19 < cipher6> wonder if I over-bid on this one,
17:19 < Heresiarch> cipher6: careful with that joke, it's an antique.
17:19 < Humpaxx> cipher6: Man 127.0.0.1 is wicked fast, i get >1ms when i ping it
17:19 < cipher6> we're usually running 1 or 2 drops, never bid on a call center new-build before
17:19 < R-TypeEman> we're government so everything is priced higher
17:19 < nurgle> VAR
17:19 < cipher6> what's usd to monopoly money right now?
17:20 < Humpaxx> cipher6: 3 fiddy
17:20 < nurgle> cipher6: i dunno bitcoin has been falling latel
17:20 < nurgle> y
17:20 < R-TypeEman> google says 196 usd -> 250 cad
17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> Nightcinder: ctrl+alt+delete and enter password is a reasonable security precaution, imo, but if they're doing that, then they're probably doing plenty of other unreasonable things
17:20 < Humpaxx> Well its 20 minutes past fuckoff o´clock so im out of here
17:20 < Nightcinder> well they have to comply with a bunch of stuff because case work
17:20 < Humpaxx> Laters!
17:21 < R-TypeEman> we have ctrl+alt+delete enabled becuase historically, the students have made fake login windows and shit to steal teachers creds
17:21 < nurgle> kek
17:21 < AnimalFarmPig> it's not that much extra work, and it protects you from that ^
17:22 < Casteil> playing around with intel XTU and voltage offsets on this new i7-8750H
17:22 < Casteil> kinda neat how the thermals/fan interact with different settings
17:22 < genr8_> have you looked in the BIOS/ it should have a ton of weird stuff in it related to the Dynamic Thermal Platform or somethin
17:23 < Casteil> (i.e. "Quiet" mode will heavily thermal-throttle the cpu during sustained load, but allow it to peak for a short while)
17:25 < Casteil> genr8_: Intel XTU lets you control most if not all that stuff from Windows
17:26 < Casteil> so far pretty damn impressed with this XPS 9570
17:26 < Casteil> saw a bunch of tards complaining about how it "thermal throttles" .. no shit it thermal throttles, that's not a BAD thing
17:27 < nurgle> it is if you want MAXIMUM POWA
17:27 < Casteil> no
17:27 < nurgle> M A X I M U M S P E E D
17:27 < Casteil> it turbo boosts until it hits the thermal design temp
17:27 < nurgle> can it run crysis tho
17:28 < Casteil> then it 'throttles' to maintain peak performance without exceeding X temp
17:28 <@killdash9> let's bring back the Turbo button from 386 days
17:28 < Casteil> I'd wager it can
17:28 < cipher6> Just de lid the whole laptop,
17:28 < Casteil> it can run mad max @ 60fps apparently
17:28 < cipher6> take off the keyboard,
17:28 < nurgle> killdash9 ur the only one old enough.
17:28 < cipher6> hook it to an external keyboard/mouse,
17:28 < cipher6> and store the mobo in oil.
17:28 < cipher6> it'll never throttle again
17:28 < nurgle> cipher6: better yet, mount it in a case with proper fans
17:29 < genr8_> Casteil: how much was it
17:29 < abakedapplepie> i miss my turbo button
17:29 < nurgle> remove all the soldered parts put them on their own pcbs
17:29 < nurgle> cool those tooo
17:29 < cipher6> Ooh, they should make laptops with bigger boxes, that had fans, and all the components were separate of each other,
17:29 < nurgle> I JUST SAID THAT
17:29 < cipher6> nurgle: man that sounds great
17:29 < nurgle> fukin dolt
17:29 < Casteil> so my old 6300U laptop averaged about 50gflops in LinX, my personal desktop at home with an i5-3570K at home is about 80, this XPS laptop is coming in around 120-130gflops
17:29 < cipher6> lol
17:29 <@killdash9> abakedapplepie: now, what did the turbo button actually do?
17:29 < genr8_> turbo'ed
17:29 < Casteil> genr8_: The config I asked for was around $1550
17:29 < corn266> restricted the cpu
17:30 < Casteil> 8750H + 16GB + 256GB SSD... the config I got was more like $2200 or something.. my boss threw in 4K and a 512GB SSD
17:30 < abakedapplepie> it was for backwards compatibility
17:30 < R-TypeEman> turrrrbo button depends on the motherboard, some actually screwed with the cpu clock, others just enabled wait states to make shit slower
17:30 < abakedapplepie> it wasnt even actually a turbo button
17:30 < abakedapplepie> if anything it was a brake pedal
17:30 < nurgle> Sousapro: you still thinking about getting a propper AIO?
17:31 < Nightcinder> my computer is an xps 15 at work
17:31 <@killdash9> abakedapplepie: right. but why would you want to restrict CPU speed?
17:31 < Nightcinder> 16gb 512 4k touch
17:31 < nurgle> Sousapro: i switched out the fans that came with mine to corsair ml 120s. and i am now seeing a legit 20c difference.
17:31 < genr8_> base model is where its at
17:31 < Casteil> Nightcinder: hehe, so we're very similar :P
17:31 < abakedapplepie> because some idiot 30 years ago decided using the chip speed for timing was a smart idea
17:31 < Nightcinder> Casteil: i really really need to re-image mine
17:31 < Casteil> I just have a newer gen8 hexacore beastmode
17:31 < Nightcinder> yeah mines last years model
17:31 < Nightcinder> i'm considering a 15 2 in 1 for home
17:31 <@killdash9> 4.77Mhz is all you'll ever need
17:32 < Casteil> I've undervolted the cpu by 0.125v and it seems to be responding well so far
17:32 < abakedapplepie> lol
17:32 < corn266> ^^
17:32 < Nightcinder> i dunno what i wanna do for home
17:32 < Nightcinder> i don't really *need* a laptop for home
17:32 < Casteil> lower voltage = better thermal headroom for throttling algorithms
17:32 < Nightcinder> one of those detachable chromebook tablets would be good
17:32 < nurgle> Nightcinder: get an intel nuc
17:32 < genr8_> yeah get a detachable tablet
17:32 < Nightcinder> nurgle: i have a desktop
17:32 < Nightcinder> and a shield tv
17:32 < nurgle> put yoonix on it.
17:32 < Nightcinder> nuc wouldn't serve a purpose
17:32 < nurgle> sure it would
17:32 < Nightcinder> i have a work iPad but a detachable chromebook would be more useful
17:32 < nurgle> have it stream to your shield.
17:32 < Nightcinder> full chrome + android apps
17:33 < Nightcinder> nurgle: ...but why would i do that
17:33 < nurgle> fine put chromeos on the nuc
17:33 < nurgle> even better
17:33 < Casteil> I don't really care for touch on a laptop tbh
17:33 < Nightcinder> it's ok
17:33 < Nightcinder> i barely use it
17:33 < Casteil> and I have a "2 in 1" lenovo yoga
17:33 < Nightcinder> i'd use the touch in convertible mode
17:33 < Casteil> never really got much out of the "2 in 1" functionality
17:33 < genr8_> I got one of these https://www.ebay.com/itm/Insignia-Flex-2-in-1-Tablet-NS-P11W7100-11-6-32GB-Windows-10-With-Keyboard/263710151393
17:33 < Nightcinder> not in laptop mode
17:33 < genr8_> its $65 and its great
17:33 < FenJai> https://i.imgur.com/YCNvEMa.png
17:33 < abakedapplepie> my wife has a yoga 2 pro
17:33 < genr8_> dont laugh
17:33 < abakedapplepie> it has never been used in tablet mode
17:33 < Casteil> plus the way it flips over.. the keyboard is exposed and it's kind of annoying
17:33 < abakedapplepie> lol
17:34 < Nightcinder> i don't want windows tablet  i don't think
17:34 < Nightcinder> though maybe the new cheap surface will do what i want
17:34 < Nightcinder> i gave my old sp4 to my mom
17:34 < nurgle> ha
17:34 < abakedapplepie> its a neat device though
17:34 < corn266> but that ARM
17:34 < Casteil> man, bumping the voltage offset down by 0.125V gives a pretty significant performance benefit for this 8750H
17:34 < Nightcinder> seriously i just want something i can cast to my TV, control smarthome stuff, and is light
17:34 < Casteil> probably 10-20% depending on the situation
17:34 < genr8_> they have an android version of that same one i linked
17:34 < Nightcinder> and has a keyboard so i can play on discord/irc
17:34 < nurgle> Nightcinder: get any old chromebook then
17:34 < abakedapplepie> Nightcinder: i have an apple tv for that
17:34 < abakedapplepie> :P
17:35 < Nightcinder> nurgle: thinking the chromebook tablets would be nice for that tho
17:35 < Nightcinder> just waiting on more to come out
17:35 < Nightcinder> like a dell
17:35 < genr8_> you start looking at things and then you never get one
17:35 < genr8_> might as well just spend $60 and get one
17:35 < nurgle> with a detachbale kb maybe
17:35 < Nightcinder> yeah that's what i mean
17:35 < Nightcinder> acer just made a detachable kb chromebook
17:35 < Nightcinder> so did hp
17:35 < nurgle> i can never convince my self to buy that stuff though
17:35 < nurgle> i look at it then think. nah i wont ever use it anyway
17:35 < Nightcinder> https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/4/9/17208064/hp-chromebook-x2-chrome-os-tablet-detachable-keyboard-stylus
17:36 < Nightcinder> $599 too much tho
17:36 < abakedapplepie> geez
17:36 < Nightcinder> $399 i'd be interested
17:36 < abakedapplepie> $599 for a chromebook
17:36 < genr8_> thats what im talking about... now you go from $60 to $600
17:36 < nurgle> 600 chromebook
17:36 < nurgle> jeez
17:36 < Nightcinder> but when you compare it to the ipad pro price yeah it makes sense
17:36 < genr8_> stop lookin and just get the $60 one
17:36 < Nightcinder> genr8_: that wouldn't do anything i want it to do
17:36 < Nightcinder> i'm not 'looking' seriously
17:36 < genr8_> get a $60 one that would
17:36 < Nightcinder> i have an ipad that does the job for now
17:36 < Nightcinder> but it wouldn't
17:37 < Nightcinder> i do think if that hp chromebook was $399 it'd be a pretty solid deal
17:37 < nurgle> yeah
17:37 < Nightcinder> good competitor for the $329 ipad
17:37 < genr8_> thats not happening
17:37 < nurgle> i have a work laptop that i never use as it is
17:38 < nurgle> i cant justify buying a laptop
17:38 < genr8_> its a contentious market. they want you to be spending $600-$800 for something that should be like $200 max
17:38 < Nightcinder> chromebook tab 10 is $329
17:38 < nurgle> of any sort
17:38 < Nightcinder> acer
17:38 < Nightcinder> was suppose dto release in april
17:39 < Nightcinder> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7016367&SRCCODE=3WCJ&utm_source=cj&utm_content=8731916&utm_term=12637418
17:39 < Nightcinder> is v close to what i want
17:39 < Nightcinder> now make it 12" with a keyboard
17:40 < nurgle> Two armed gae Ops kill felda who opened pfsense in Online Chatroom
17:40 < cipher6> (Anyone else got a different price on cable drops for cat6?)
17:40 < genr8_> between Chrome OS, Android and Windows 10, i'd rather have Windows 10
17:40 < nurgle> abakedapplepie
17:40 < abakedapplepie> nurgle
17:40 < int0x1C8> fuck I am so bored
17:40 < int0x1C8> there's nothing to do
17:40 < cipher6> genr8_: I've seen a few Chrome OS w/ the dev options so i could have an actual Terminal and it wasn't awful
17:41 < nurgle> you can just enable that
17:41 < Nightcinder> genr8_: sure for normal use yes
17:41 < abakedapplepie> cipher6: i had one recently for $350
17:41 < Nightcinder> for what i want chromeOS + Android apps = more useful
17:41 < abakedapplepie> but that was 300 feet
17:41 < abakedapplepie> duplex
17:41 < abakedapplepie> and in a factory
17:41 < abakedapplepie> so considerably more effort than a normal drop
17:42 < Nightcinder> lol
17:42 < Nightcinder> i had to do a factory drop at my last company
17:42 < Nightcinder> was told 'do it yourself'
17:42 < Nightcinder> D:
17:42 < genr8_> the keyboard is the hardest part
17:42 < abakedapplepie> ive done tons :|
17:42 < genr8_> sometimes you end up having to buy a whole different machine just for a good keyboard
17:42 < abakedapplepie> i wired a ~1m sqft factory for wifi and various other stuff
17:43 < Nightcinder> apparently the chromebook tab 10 is super popular and acer can't make enough
17:43 < ebol4> i.... hate managers
17:43 < ebol4> just call them meeting notes
17:43 < nurgle> holy shit "Jury rules security company must pay $1 billion to Georgia woman raped by guard they hired"
17:43 < ebol4> why we call them meeting minutes
17:43 < abakedapplepie> nurgle: saw that
17:43 < abakedapplepie> seems a bit much
17:43 < nurgle> i would eat a dick in the ass for a million
17:43 < nurgle> and be happy about it
17:44 < nurgle> hell for a billion i guess i could make myself unhappy
17:44 < nurgle> /r/imgoingtohellforthis
17:44 < genr8_> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CHUWI-Hi10-Pro-10-1-Tablet-PC-Win10-Android5-1-4GB-64GB-with-Original-Keyboard/252839589453
17:44 < cipher6> abakedapplepie: the cable drop? 350/drop? Or the chrome book?
17:44 < abakedapplepie> cipher6: cble drop
17:44 < cipher6> wait, just saw your followup lol
17:45 < abakedapplepie> but like i said it was not standard lol
17:45 < nurgle> ebol4: they have always been called minutes.
17:45 < nurgle> since time immemorial
17:45 < ebol4> that's dumb as hell
17:45 < abakedapplepie> for a  "normal" cat6 drop i think my contractor bills us $65 or $75 per
17:45 < nurgle> then fucking be the change you want to see in the world ebol4
17:45 < ebol4> I AM
17:45 < nurgle> k
17:45 < nurgle> cool
17:45 < abakedapplepie> but hes also a loooongtime contractor with us
17:45 < abakedapplepie> and gives us a cheaper rate
17:45 < nurgle> i'll let you know when it works it's way over to me
17:46 < cipher6> abakedapplepie: hmm...I'm wondering if I just bid myself out of my largest job ever....
17:46 < abakedapplepie> we usually bill $125-150 per drop
17:46 < cipher6> Time to drink it over
17:46 < cipher6> I mean think
17:46 < cipher6> lol ah, then i don't feel bad about 150 i asked for, whew
17:46 < abakedapplepie> for quantity, i probably would have bid lower
17:46 < abakedapplepie> 125 maybe
17:46 < cipher6> we usually do like 1-3 drops max for most of our clients, but this is a whole new call center with open trays,
17:47 < cipher6> maybe I'll adjust it and say Oops, i didn't take into account they were all duplex drops,
17:47 < cipher6> Or maybe I'll just nut-up and look him square in the eye and tell him to give me 14k dollars
17:47 < abakedapplepie> at this point
17:47 < abakedapplepie> i wouldnt do anything
17:47 < abakedapplepie> revising it lower makes you look weak
17:47 < abakedapplepie> lol
17:47 < nurgle> ur moves are weak
17:48 < nurgle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvG7CHWyol0
17:48 < abakedapplepie> and any other escuse you give for why youd be revising it
17:48 < abakedapplepie> would make you look incompetant
17:48 < abakedapplepie> just leave the quote
17:48 < abakedapplepie> and hope
17:51 < cipher6> Thanks abakedapplepie this would be a huge bid for my company, it's just me and two other guys running the shop, and we're in an area outside chattanooga (gig city) that just got saturated with cheap gig fiber to the home/business,
17:51 < cipher6> We're trying to get our foot in the door and start being the guys already on the ground and in good with the local ISP (co-ops/community ) for these companies
17:52 < abakedapplepie> ah
17:52 < abakedapplepie> well if the job i did in knoxville is any indication of the quality of telecom guys down there
17:52 < abakedapplepie> do a good job and youll have customers lol
17:52 < abakedapplepie> fucking idiots
17:52 < abakedapplepie> had them go into the facility and run new cabling for all the office drops
17:53 < nurgle> cattanooga!
17:53 < nurgle> almost took an aix gig there
17:53 < abakedapplepie> they just pulled new cables exactly where the old ones were and left them in the wall, not keystone terminated
17:53 < nurgle> i miss tn
17:53 < abakedapplepie> fucking idiots
17:53 < abakedapplepie> fucking. idiots.
17:53 < abakedapplepie> i had to spend a whole extra day terminating keystones
17:53 < cipher6> Haha, yeah, it's indicative of what we have here. We have homes that are 150+ years old and have OLD wiring, we make most our money running cat6 so these guys can get above 10mbps lol
17:53 < abakedapplepie> I HATE KEYSTONES
17:53 < cipher6> i <3 keystones,
17:53 < abakedapplepie> MY THUMBS
17:53 < abakedapplepie> MY POOR THUMBS
17:53 < cipher6> but only b/c they're cheap, and I pay a guy to do em,
17:54 < cipher6> also, try wearing thimbles?
17:54 < abakedapplepie> thats not a bad idea
17:54 < nurgle> thimbles are for bimbos
17:54 < nurgle> js
17:54 < abakedapplepie> i also didnt have a proper punchdown tool
17:55 < abakedapplepie> but they also didnt run the new drops that we asked for, they ran some and left them in the ceiling, others werent there at all
17:55 < abakedapplepie> i basically had to audit everything
17:55 < felda> you guys ever used SUMo or DUMo?
17:56 < ebol4> no and i never will
17:56 < felda> no?
17:56 < ebol4> no
17:56 < felda> that's oftly racist of you
17:57 < ebol4> i'm sorry but i just can't
17:57 < felda> TRY
17:57 < felda> open your heart
17:57 < felda> it can update software and drivers for you
17:57 < ebol4> i don't use "software"
17:59 < abakedapplepie> i dont know what those things are
17:59 < ebol4> i control my computer with a logitech usb racing wheel which needs no drives because i AM the driver
17:59 < Casteil> mmmm
17:59 < cipher6> abakedapplepie: so you can get paid for pretending to run wires... hmm...
17:59 < abakedapplepie> cipher6: apparently
17:59 < Casteil> -0.125 v offset on my cpu put me nearly 10% higher than the average 8750H on passmark :D
17:59 < abakedapplepie> i never did ask my customer how much that job was billed for
18:00 < ebol4> Casteil: you undervolted and overclocked?
18:00 < abakedapplepie> that was knoxville though, im not familiar with where chattanooga is in relation to knoxville
18:00 < cipher6> new business model, couple of bank accounts in the caymans, some On-the-shelf companies in delaware and we could pretend to wire this whole state!
18:00 < Casteil> ebol4: just undervolted.. turbo and thermal management does the rest
18:00 < cipher6> Chattanooga is directly south,
18:00 < ebol4> oh okay
18:00 < cipher6> Chattanooga literally butts up against georgia and alabama, if you're good on your geography
18:00 < abakedapplepie> i can only assume they were probably the only outfit in knoxville too, cant imagine theres much there
18:01 < Casteil> I do notice also that in "Quiet" profile, the 0.125v undervolting gives me about a 30% boost in sustained processing power
18:01 < Casteil> ~70 gflops to ~90 gflops
18:01 < Casteil> so that's pretty sweet too, should also help with battery life
18:01 < cipher6> talked to a guy who does nashville/knoxville quite often before doing this bid, he said he'd shoot for 150-350 depending on the job,
18:01 < ebol4> johnny nashville
18:01 < cipher6> but he travels all over the state, is in the midst of doing the Titans stadium right now for 115 coax drops,
18:02 < cipher6> Unless that's you.... (=_= ) Do you know a mr. kennedy?
18:02 < ebol4> i like that face
18:03 < cipher6> Thanks ebol4 it's my favorite
18:03 < abakedapplepie> coax?
18:03 < abakedapplepie> wat
18:03 < cipher6> abakedapplepie: yeah, if I understood him correctly (and I don't think i did) he was running coax or hdmi to 115 tvs.
18:04 < abakedapplepie> that sounds shortsighted, why on earth would you use coax this day and age
18:04 < cipher6> Which made me wonder, how do you term an hdmi cable? if I'm running anything for hdmi, i just order premade wires
18:04 < abakedapplepie> probably is using premade
18:04 < abakedapplepie> or hdmi over ethernet
18:04 < abakedapplepie> anything over ~20 feet needs to be active anyway
18:04 < abakedapplepie> otherwise you lose signal
18:05 < abakedapplepie> but yeah, you dont diy hdmi
18:05 < ebol4> i don't think they sell unterminated hdmi
18:05 < cipher6> hmm...I bet it's hdmi over eth
18:06 < cipher6> but i was really trying to listen to his info about how to bid this correctly, than the info about the stadium,
18:06 < abakedapplepie> yeah
18:07 < abakedapplepie> the taco place next door wont make me a chorizo taco
18:07 < abakedapplepie> god dammit
18:07 < abakedapplepie> they sell chorizo just make me a damn taco with it
18:10 < ebol4> mmmmmm chorizo
18:10 < cipher6> Never understood this, if you have x and y, and I want x and y, just sell me x and y,
18:10 < cipher6> it's not a complicated economic theory
18:10 < hxcsp> but then maybe everyone else will want custom tacos
18:11 < cipher6> Then you become the Subway of taco bells,
18:11 < abakedapplepie> wow they dont do ala carte tacos too
18:11 < abakedapplepie> fucking hell
18:11 < abakedapplepie> the lunch menu only has a 1 taco combo plate
18:11 < abakedapplepie> i want two fuckign tacos
18:11 < cipher6> What kind of Taqueria from hell are you visiting?
18:11 < abakedapplepie> i am raging
18:11 < abakedapplepie> its not a taqueria
18:12 < abakedapplepie> its a texmex restaurant
18:12 < hxcsp> its guadalajara
18:12 < hxcsp> or Lupes
18:12 < hxcsp> Gringos
18:12 < abakedapplepie> i have a tacqueria too but i had that wednesday
18:12 < abakedapplepie> those are traditional street tacos
18:12 < abakedapplepie> the ones i want today are puffy corn meal tacos
18:12 < abakedapplepie> WITH CHORIZO
18:13 < abakedapplepie> DAMMIT
18:14 < abakedapplepie> ordered steak tacos
18:14 < abakedapplepie> fml
18:14 < nurgle> abakedapplepie: had a burrito salad
18:14 < nurgle> fukkin delish
18:16 < nurgle> dcss needs to hurry up and finish building
18:18 < cipher6> what are they building?
18:19 < Chesshire> abakedapplepie: I hate how much tacos are a la carte though... I'm a simple taco man, gimme those street tacos for $1 a peice.
18:20 < Chesshire> Shit. I'm getting texmex for lunch now, thanks everyone.
18:23 < nurgle> cipher6: dcss is dungeon crawl stone soup
18:23 < nurgle> it's a roguelike
18:23 < abakedapplepie> yeah thats why i like my taqueria
18:23 < abakedapplepie> $1.25 steak, $1 on wednesdays
18:23 < nurgle> 1.25 a taco must benice
18:23 < nurgle> they 2.50 up here
18:24 < abakedapplepie> it is
18:24 < abakedapplepie> its also delicious
18:24 < abakedapplepie> and their avo salsa is amazing
18:24 < ebol4> that's called guacamole babey
18:24 < nurgle> local place is out of serrano salsa
18:24 < cipher6> it's $2 here,
18:24 < nurgle> makes me sad
18:24 < cipher6> and it's in a shed on the side of the road,
18:24 < cipher6> or the other is in the back of the mexican butcher
18:24 < nurgle> as it should be
18:24 < abakedapplepie> ebol4: no
18:24 < abakedapplepie> youre wrong :P
18:24 < ebol4> no i'm wrong
18:25 < abakedapplepie> i forget what the real name of it is
18:25 < cipher6> nurgle: the one in the back of the Carniceria is the hands down best
18:25 < felda> gotta get me some classic mexican food
18:25 < felda> taco bell
18:25 < abakedapplepie> but its avocado, jalapeno, and lime juice
18:25 < abakedapplepie> its a green mush
18:25 < abakedapplepie> very spicy and delicious
18:25 < ebol4> that sounds suspiciously like guacamole
18:25 < abakedapplepie> its not at all like guacamole
18:26 < cipher6> guacamole casero has my heart,
18:26 < cipher6> aka "Tableside Guac" that they charge like 9$ for just b/c it's not blended
18:28 <+AnonymooseWork> Hi ALl
18:28 < pupp3r> o/
18:28 <+AnonymooseWork> sup uptime
18:28 <+AnonymooseWork> err pupp3r
18:29 < Hempux> Hello again ya'll
18:29 < pupp3r> just distracted at work as usual
18:30 <+AnonymooseWork> ha
18:30 <+AnonymooseWork> same
18:35 <@cryptic1> AnonymooseWork, back to work
18:36 < nurgle> cryptic1: kick rocks
18:37 < DomLS3> cryptic1: only 1?
18:37 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
18:37 <@cryptic1> only one
18:37 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
18:37 <@cryptic1> he is the worst offender
18:37 < DomLS3> I absolutely rekt Code_Man65 yesterday
18:37 <@cryptic1> tries to hide it with work as part of his name
18:37 <+AnonymooseWork> worst of the worst
18:37 < DomLS3> it was _v worthy
18:37 <+AnonymooseWork> hahaha
18:37 < DomLS3> +v*
18:37 <@cryptic1> see
18:37 <@cryptic1> busted
18:38 < DomLS3> how a fkn guest account have +v
18:38 < DomLS3> but not me
18:38 < nurgle> does anyone else think that NK should blow their nuclear sites up with nukes?
18:38 < DomLS3> this is such an injustice
18:39 < rhqq> useless points in the internet
18:39 < rhqq> ;p
18:39 <@cryptic1> voice is very important
18:39 < nurgle> to DomLS3
18:39 <@cryptic1> very very very costly too
18:39 < rhqq> yeah
18:39 <@cryptic1> $$$$$$$$$$$$
18:39 < voice> yes, I ain't cheap
18:39 < nurgle> in loot boxes
18:39 <@cryptic1> big money
18:40 <@cryptic1> nurgle, yes of course
18:40 < rhqq> yeah, drugs, fame
18:40 < rhqq> naked girls
18:40 < rpifan> u mean naked guys
18:40 <@cryptic1> with voice you get all the things
18:40 < rpifan> sexy sweaty
18:40 < rpifan> twinks
18:40  * Heresiarch hands cryptic1 a 10' long dollar bill.
18:40 <@cryptic1> thats not money...
18:40 < DomLS3> s/dollar bill/dildo
18:40 < Heresiarch> yeah it is. Moreover, it's *big* money.
18:40 < DomLS3> rip layer-eight
18:41 < DomLS3> how long is layer-eight in time out for?
18:41 <@cryptic1> long time
18:41 < DomLS3> it's already been long time
18:41 <@cryptic1> longer time
18:41 <@cryptic1> happy?
18:42 < DomLS3> no
18:42 <@cryptic1> the more you ask the longer it is
18:42  * cryptic1 sets mode +v DomLS3 
18:42 < nurgle>  how long is layer-eight in time out for?
18:42 < Heresiarch> ?
18:42 <@cryptic1> there happy now?
18:42 < nurgle>  how long is layer-eight in time out for?
18:42 < nurgle>  how long is layer-eight in time out for?
18:42 < DomLS3> this is such an inconsiderate group of ops
18:42 < nurgle> u sound like linuxdood
18:42 <@cryptic1> yes yes it is
18:42 < nurgle> jus sayin
18:42 < DomLS3> nurgle: linuxdood is dead
18:42 < nurgle> he said the same stuff
18:42 < DomLS3> I killed him
18:42 < DomLS3> lets not speak of him anymore
18:43 < DomLS3> edit: he said a lot dumber things than that lol
18:43 < nurgle> apple doesnt fall far from the tree
18:43 < DomLS3> nurgle: and who tf are you exactly?
18:43 < DomLS3> of
18:43 < DomLS3> oh
18:43 < nurgle> haha
18:43 < DomLS3> jfdkthx
18:43 < rpifan> wait now that gdpr is in force, irc cant collect my logs no more
18:43 < DomLS3> I could have guessed
18:44 < nurgle> rpifan: BY POSTING THIS I REVOKE ALL CONSENT TO FREENODE COLLECTING DATA ON ME
18:44 < nurgle> i should send that to mquin
18:44 < DomLS3> I thought it was only if you're in the EU
18:44 < nurgle> one second
18:45 < rpifan> but arent there eu ppl in here
18:45 < nurgle> /msg mquin BY POSTING THIS I REVOKE ALL CONSENT TO FREENODE COLLECTING DATA ON ME, FREENODE HAS TO COMPLY WITH THIS DICTATION OR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
18:45 < DomLS3> could be
18:45 < nurgle> 16:45:27 freenode  -- | [mquin] is away: Not here...
18:45 < DomLS3> lets ab all the EU freaks
18:45 < nurgle> damn
18:46 < DomLS3> ban*
18:46 < DomLS3> America is the real country
18:46 < nurgle> no trolling
18:46 < DomLS3> that's not a troll
18:46 < DomLS3> that's hard fax
18:47 < rpifan> car fax
18:47 < nurgle> carfox
18:47 <@ravioli> starfox
18:47 < nurgle> cant let you do that
18:47 < nurgle> star fox
18:47 < DomLS3> fox and the found
18:47 < DomLS3> keep it going
18:47 < DomLS3> err
18:47 < DomLS3> fox and the hound
18:47 < nurgle> u gae
18:47 < DomLS3> in the ass?
18:47 < rpifan> i gotta say
18:47 < rpifan> im not a furry
18:47 < rpifan> but that car fox is sexy
18:48 < rpifan> i am a dog not a furry
18:48 < int0x1C8> butts
18:48 < DomLS3> lola from space jam is sexy
18:48 < DomLS3> there's no beating her
18:48 < nurgle> thats how i know ur gae
18:48 < DomLS3> i'd tear that rabbit up
18:48 < DomLS3> https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/looneytunes/images/d/d6/Lola_Bunny_Pose2.png/revision/latest?cb=20160529212624
18:48 <@ravioli> stop
18:49 < DomLS3> so we can talk about taylor swift and how hot she is
18:50 < DomLS3> even tho shes fugly af
18:50 < DomLS3> but when it comes to a cartoon that's against the rules
18:51 < nurgle> the difference is
18:51 < nurgle> no one likes furries
18:51 < rpifan> im a human pup not a furry for futuer rerfernece
18:51 < DomLS3> futuer
18:51 < DomLS3> rerfernece
18:51 < DomLS3> I just had a stroke
18:51 < DomLS3> you maybe you did
18:52 < rpifan> frankfutuer
18:53 < pupp3r> the only true pup is me
18:53 < pupp3r> bork
18:54 <+AnonymooseWork> rpifan...  a human pup eh?
18:54 <+AnonymooseWork> kinky
18:55 < nurgle> thats qweird
18:55 < abakedapplepie> that makes no sense
18:55 <+AnonymooseWork> or does it
18:55 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
18:58 < rpifan> yes
18:58 < rpifan> very
18:59 < rpifan> its also very cute and sweet
18:59 < Hatter> whatever guys
19:00 < DomLS3> Hatter: get out
19:00 < Hatter> or WHAT
19:01 < DomLS3> you saw what happened to linuxdood
19:01 < DomLS3> won't take much for the same to happen to you
19:01 < rpifan> https://imgur.com/a/1RD3gHw
19:02 < Hempux> @DomLS3, what happent to linuxdood?
19:03 < DomLS3> Hempux: He got hit by a plane
19:03 < Hatter> Hempux: they got in a little tiff, DomLS3 cried and played the victim, linuxdoog was banned
19:03 < Hatter> but this is only one example of the despicable behavior from DomLS3
19:03 < nurgle> Hatter: ++
19:03 < nurgle> despicable
19:03 < nurgle> behavior
19:03 < DomLS3> Hatter he only got banned the first time. The second time he got +q'd and then rage quit
19:04 < Hatter> I think you missed the point
19:04 < DomLS3> Hatter: I think you missed the point
19:04 < DomLS3> if you don't sharpen up soon, you're next.
19:04 < nurgle> i think both of you should kiss
19:04 < nurgle> and touch points
19:04 < nurgle> together
19:04 < Hatter> DomLS3: I have to warn you I don't respond well to threats, even silly and empty ones.
19:04 < DomLS3> Hatter: Ooh I'm shaking in my little space boots
19:05 < nurgle> are they little because you have small feet
19:05 < Hatter> why space boots
19:05 < nurgle> you know what they say about small feet
19:05 < DomLS3> Clearly you've never seen Austin Powers
19:06 < DomLS3> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7gmfGbhZwo
19:06 < Hatter> I'm much too busy to click that link
19:08 < estranger> you know hat GRINDS MY GEARS? when people download logs from their linux servers to their local machine to view them
19:08 < estranger> just view/vi that mofo. its not large
19:08 < syere> ... why
19:08 < syere> why would you do that
19:08 < estranger> cus they dunno how to use vi is my guess
19:08 < syere> but CAT
19:08 < syere> and grep
19:09 < corn266> or nano or more or less
19:09 < syere> exactly
19:09 < syere> tail -f even
19:09 < nurgle> anyone that uses nano is a winders scrub
19:09 < estranger> some mobaxterm app this wackadoodles use
19:09 < corn266> or ssh -X
19:09 < admiralspark> estranger: oo are we beating up on precise and nano?
19:09 < nurgle> admiralspark: alazare619 and nano
19:09 < nurgle> and _tim
19:10 < estranger> i didnt even bring up nano... TRIGGERED
19:10 < admiralspark> oh shit alazare619 you're a nano scrub too?!
19:10 < syere> nano is a perfectly fine quick and dirty basic editor
19:10 < admiralspark> ;P
19:10 < nurgle> syere: for bads
19:10 < corn266> nano is a legitimate text editor for quick edits
19:10 < estranger> no its not, its trash
19:10 < DomLS3> I want chicken I want liver meow mix meow mix please deliver
19:10 < corn266> ur trash
19:10 < pupp3r> ed is the only acceptable text editor
19:10 < rpifan> so part of my job is to fix our confluence
19:10 < admiralspark> the ONLY time I've used Nano in the last 5 years was a single VM I have that vi/vim are screwed up with their rendering on. So I have to use nano to edit files.
19:10 < rpifan> how do i make good tech documentation
19:10 < estranger> enjoy your ketchup laden hotdogs, you nano using heathen
19:10 < rpifan> ive made some changes
19:10 < rpifan> and tried to add consistency
19:10 < admiralspark> it was the FIRST machine I converted to being managed by ansible
19:10 < corn266> joe > nano > vim fite me
19:10 < rpifan> but im kinda failing
19:11 < estranger> copy con
19:11 < vinrock> midnight commander is the superior text editor
19:11 < vinrock> fite me
19:11 < admiralspark> rpifan: you need a good, hierarchial organization
19:11 <+AnonymooseWork> notepad++
19:11 < admiralspark> vinrock: magnets and flipping bits, elminiate the middleware!
19:11 < rpifan> well atm im going to articles and making the ore readable
19:11 < rpifan> and trying to fix the images and such
19:11 < admiralspark> AnonymooseWork: on windows, I do prefer np++ to winVim tbh
19:11 < rpifan> but its such a mess
19:11 < rpifan> our tech lead human made a faq page, that is hundreds of scroll lines down
19:11 < Heresiarch> nano. For those who just can't get the concept of an editor with both a command interface and a text one.
19:11 < rpifan> its impossible to find stuff
19:12 < admiralspark> rpifan: the biggest hurdle with documentation is getting the rest of the team to give a shit
19:12 < vinrock> ms is updating windows so you can actually save linux text files now
19:12 < vinrock> no crlf
19:12 < admiralspark> I saw that
19:12 < rpifan> yea our team kinda tries
19:12 < admiralspark> good thing NP++ has supported UTF8 and real text for years
19:12 < rpifan> but as the lead said today
19:12 < rpifan> thanks to my work we managed to get to half our weekly goal of documentation
19:12 < rpifan> so i did 10 pages by myself
19:13 < rpifan> which is fine, i like doing docs
19:13 < vinrock> ya like docs
19:13 < admiralspark> rpifan: the solution at my last place was "you can't close a ticket until it's documented" and management pushed it
19:13 < vinrock> decs
19:13 < rpifan> well we dont ever close cases
19:13 < rpifan> we send them back to the Account MAnager
19:13 < nurgle> heres the response i got from freenode
19:13 < nurgle> 17:07:29 tomaw | In that case you may wish to drop your account and disconnect as it means we can no longer provide you with service.
19:13 < admiralspark> speaking of decks. It's 2018, why can't I plug myself into the Net yet? #cyberpunk
19:14 < rpifan> but r u gdpr compliant
19:14 < nurgle> apaprently not
19:14 < nurgle> rpifan: 17:02:55 freenode  -- | MSG(tomaw): BY POSTING THIS I REVOKE ALL CONSENT TO FREENODE COLLECTING DATA ON ME, FREENODE HAS TO COMPLY WITH THIS DICTATION OR BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE
19:14 < Heresiarch> freenode: "ok. gtfo."
19:14 < rpifan> well dont they have to comply
19:14 < rpifan> u can file a case
19:14 < nurgle> Heresiarch: pretty much
19:14 < nurgle> haha
19:14 < corn266> nurgle: I hear you can do that on facebook and it'll have just the same affect
19:14 < admiralspark> nurgle: so....like those facebook posts?
19:15 < nurgle> yeah
19:15 < nurgle> thats the inspiration
19:15 < Hatter> Heresiarch: I think I will purchase battletech when I get home, unless someone has a better suggestion
19:15 < nurgle> Hatter: into the breach
19:15 < Heresiarch> Hatter: excellent choice.
19:15 < nurgle> inb4 someone other than jfdkthx/nurgle
19:15 < Hatter> I've already beat into the breach
19:16 < Hatter> I'm pretty good at video games, alright?
19:16 < nurgle> fun game
19:16 < corn266> oh god paradox though? get ready for 500+ DLCs
19:16 < admiralspark> Hatter: get factorio
19:16 < admiralspark> never work again
19:16 < nurgle> not as fun as FTL tho
19:16 < Hatter> yeah FTL really was one of my favorites
19:16 < Hatter> I'm the only one in this channel to beat it on hard mode
19:16 < corn266> everyone else has lives
19:16 < nurgle> neat
19:16 < nurgle> Hatter: probably doesnt even have the zoltan ship
19:17 < Hatter> actually the zoltan ship is what I used to win hard mode
19:17 < Hatter> it's nice during the rough start to have those extra shields
19:17 < admiralspark> oh you mean hard mode ftl?
19:17 < Hatter> if you need any other pro tips, let me know
19:17 < Hatter> yes
19:17 < admiralspark> lol
19:17 < admiralspark> "FTL pro tip: win RNJesus and get two glaive beams"
19:18 < Hatter> don't diminish my accomplishments please
19:18 < Heresiarch> corn266: considering the nature of the battletech universe (and where the game lands in that universe), most folks will be ok with a ton of DLC.
19:18 < felda> cryptic1 is the reason for the housing crisis
19:18 < admiralspark> "FTL pro tip: Ragequit if you dont get best drops in area 1 because you'll never make a leaderboard"
19:18 < admiralspark> felda: what
19:18 < Hatter> oh I don't care about leaderboards
19:18 < Hatter> bunch of cheaters
19:18 <@cryptic1> I am?
19:18 < felda> you keep buying up houses to host more DNS servers
19:18 < DomLS3> cryptic1 is the reason for the +v crisis
19:18 < admiralspark> lol
19:18 < DomLS3> look at all those plebs who get v
19:19 <@cryptic1> voice begging is pathetic
19:19 < admiralspark> > DomLS3 calling others with +v plebs
19:19 < Hatter> I think all the current +v's are good guys, except for the obvious one
19:19 < sideup66> Pfsense
19:19 < admiralspark> who, AnonymooseWork ?
19:19 < sideup66> Pfsense
19:19 < sideup66> Pfsenze
19:19 < admiralspark> sideup66: don't encourage felda
19:19 < DomLS3> sideup66: Code_Man65 isn't here
19:19 < sideup66> No nooooo
19:19 < DomLS3> cryptic1: u pathetic. get back to work
19:20 < felda> admiralspark honestly it's sideup66 and DomLS3 who are perpetuating the meme now
19:20 < admiralspark> felda: I noticed, I feel they're really ivork and gonzo with alts
19:20 < felda> lol
19:20 < DomLS3> admiralspark: google "ivork gonzo"
19:21 < DomLS3> you'll get some intetesting results
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19:21 < DomLS3> wat the fuck
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19:21 < DomLS3> BANT
19:21 < felda> cryptic1 can we get a real ban on sideup66 ?
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19:21 < nurgle> typical sideup66
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19:21 < admiralspark> DomLS3: do I trust you
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19:21 < DomLS3> admiralspark: you do
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19:22 < nurgle> sygwin when
19:22 < DomLS3> it's just google
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19:22 < felda> cryptic1 JollyRgrs killdash9 mistiry Nostalg14c ravioli DING DONG
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19:22 < Hempux> Dam i can feel it, this base64 image is gonna be good
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19:22 < sideup66> bJDTBjskjgSx9RnF2NNiM7fNaDa+qbUPrpYcz2O5nKcjwXZGMzWaRc2sdwXSKi6oynKBuEQvkYdeecZDcj+zt59afwcvxK1XrjQenuWOUfaelqKIxQyOe/nqd2URzXysnY5x1ZwAJUfKhtDS1mHvp4ZC9zpIbtEc3qiZhefV3BoJ8FA2pHQ6J1cL3aNBz1y46f2YAtm47isel3Au3gLgMYDrUA2uBpaEEb+OtytPxS/hG22w22YKN7cOmJqbxti+SebDnGB5s9mX1M29RbT7V01RhsjBIXTmJjwwxS3MzMsgb6lgczbKiJsxePVsBZ2VnGW5a1rgBfJ0b2Nr7zYleX1YI6IuC94uA21ufNnXA9URi3rDuN1PEJ4aL+x2OwUr6wTucznJ2vZ8nI7M30e
19:22 < sideup66> FtwWtI9Zrh4Klhkge+pkbfLJUzPYSC27SRZ1nAGxsvcVad1rX521mtGW8rObFg065M/AnUeE3PuNjYts2R1g1mpLnc00ktcdGngDw0O5ZeZLqqVTaXH9gNkXF6JrIozOSRodHSFvQbxhAaXdme+ml7AbrryZXOs0ZgMzQXlrA4gRuL3Wt0QXZRuB0J00WXLGSXrQLRMijfOeDTbKzTK0EuMxzXO/SMdfHrXmedxEgAIFtCGtJPyzXBreiNzGngRcjpGxXI4ya25ImiZFlYS/STQREVTgREUIERF0hFU+qVQRFr4Hof3H8T0sIiJ4bCIi6Qv03qhSoi85d639zJs9TCIiGgYWun9Y95+Kyi0fp/qf2G8T1MjCyERa48yCq9U+HxUjNw7h8AiKfynP5j2
19:22 < sideup66> P481s/496Isr6hzETy+UB/HvQIizmJhAiLhD0iIqEP/2Q==
19:22 < DomLS3> where is an op when we need one
19:22 < pcspkr> sideup66: quit
19:22 < voidstar> this isn't your mom's base64 image converter
19:22 < Hempux> sideup66, i cba cutting and pastin'
19:22 < DomLS3> sideup66: prepare for anal rekkage
19:22 < Hempux> pastebin that img
19:22 < felda> "How to go Full Retard" by sideup66
19:23 < admiralspark> sideup66: do you even computer
19:23 < rhqq> um
19:23 < rhqq> that was fun
19:23 < sideup66> Holy shit
19:23 < sideup66> Wtf
19:23 < sideup66> I'm so sorry
19:23 < rhqq> xD
19:23 < sideup66> Nono
19:23 < sideup66> I didn't mean that to happen
19:23 < abakedapplepie> fucking lol
19:23 < sideup66> Google made a bastardized link
19:23 < sideup66> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS7_y_3bW4uA4wzgRRSHyUBzO6Ma-VZ75obXHenuslZujuwP2tk
19:23 < DomLS3> glad to see anyone can come in here and fuck up the chan
19:23 < sideup66> There we go
19:23 < Hempux> "I dont even see the code anymore, all i see is women in red dresses"
19:23 < DomLS3> good job ops
19:23 < admiralspark> pls tell me it's a confidential link
19:23 < abakedapplepie> that wasnt a link sideup66
19:23 < abakedapplepie> that was the whole image
19:23 < abakedapplepie> lol
19:23 < sideup66> I'm sorry
19:23 < sideup66> Really that was accidental
19:23 < rhqq> admiralspark: private key
19:23 < rhqq> ;p
19:23 < pupp3r> cryptic1 pls save the day
19:23 < sideup66> I know
19:23 < sideup66> I thought chrome did give me a link
19:23 < sideup66> Fuck
19:23 < abakedapplepie> lol
19:24 < DomLS3> 1 month bant
19:24 < admiralspark> rhqq: if the header hadn't been there I'd believe it
19:24 < rhqq> BANT™
19:24 < abakedapplepie> at least it was small
19:24 < felda> about to hit up Freenode staff to take this channel because obviously the OPS are gone
19:24 < DomLS3> felda: OPS are rubbish
19:24 < abakedapplepie> killdash9 eats babies
19:24 < Hempux> OPS are DEVS
19:24 < nurgle> sideup66: you always do that
19:24 < nurgle> btw
19:25 < DomLS3> definitely not the first time it's happened
19:25 < rhqq> btw, that looks like new feature of google image search thing
19:25 < rhqq> sideup66: am i right?
19:25 < rhqq> you rclicked and "copy image url" on google image search results
19:25 < sideup66> Yep
19:25 < rhqq> yeah, you need to do it twice
19:25 < DomLS3> you got google'd son
19:26 < sideup66> And I thought it would load only the image in a separate link
19:26 < rhqq> to get right uri
19:26 < sideup66> And google gives me some damn bullshit
19:26 < sideup66> Second like I posted was right
19:26 < abakedapplepie> thats why i "open image in new tab" then copy the url
19:26 < rhqq> sideup66: yes, you need to do it twice to get correct uri
19:26 < sideup66> abakedapplepie: that's exactly what I did.
19:26 < abakedapplepie> usually also because the images in a google image link are cached google images
19:26 < rhqq> this is fucked up fo last week or so
19:28 < estranger> this is why I use bing
19:28 < rhqq> estranger: so you dont switch when looking for porn?
19:28 < estranger> wut
19:29 < rhqq> bing is known to be best porn search engine
19:29 < syere> he's not wrong
19:29 < rhqq> Choice of Reddit™ 2010~2018
19:29 < estranger> s/porn//
19:29 < rpifan> nice
19:29 < estranger> layer-eight, WAKEUP DICK
19:29 < rhqq> xD
19:29 < admiralspark> he was banned brah
19:29 < rhqq> bant
19:29 < Hempux> The email proivider we use for a customer so their MFPs can scan to email (since them scanners can't scan to email using microsofts smtp servers) is having problems delivering emails to exchange online at the mo
19:30 < Hempux> Im getting calls from someone who really needs to scan :/
19:30 < admiralspark> Hempux: if theyre using exchange online...they very likely can use exchange on-prem
19:30 < admiralspark> oh
19:30 < admiralspark> god
19:30 < Heresiarch> yes?
19:31 < admiralspark> you mean they have cloud-hosted only
19:31 < admiralspark> nvm
19:31 < Hempux> admiralspark, yes no on-prem stuff
19:32 < admiralspark> interesting. Do you vpn to Azure?
19:32 < admiralspark> we're looking at moving to hosted exchange Soon™
19:39 < DomLS3> you got google'd son
19:41 <@ravioli> gmail > exchange
19:41 < rhqq> yeah
19:41 < rhqq> unfortunately
19:41 < rhqq> google beats them all
19:42 <@ravioli> i spend zero hours a week working on our email service
19:42 < DomLS3> You'd spend 0 hours a week working on Exchange if it's setup properly
19:42 < rhqq> yeah, inital setup
19:42 < rhqq> google suite is like 10 minutes
19:42 < admiralspark> ravioli: we have regulatory requirements that make Gmail a no-go :(
19:43 < admiralspark> I don;'t know how they thing Azure is gonna be "better" though but not my job
19:43 < DomLS3> If exchange is setup properly then there's nothing you need to do. It only fucks up when you let it fuck up
19:43 < admiralspark> well, I guess it's my job to tell them no
19:43 < admiralspark> DomLS3: the spam filtering is the hard part :P
19:43 < DomLS3> admiralspark: people actually use exchange's built in spam filtering? lol
19:44 < rhqq> isnt gsuite pci compliant?
19:44 < DomLS3> I've never used it. I always use 3rd party like GFI or barracuda
19:44 < admiralspark> DomLS3: nooooooooo
19:44 < DomLS3> yesssssssssss
19:44 < DomLS3> barracuda is awesome
19:44 < admiralspark> I just mean Gmail's product for filtering is superior to Azure/365's
19:44 < admiralspark> we use a third party
19:46 < admiralspark> rhqq: I think it is. PCI isn't my problem though
19:47 <@ravioli> what about PCIe
19:47 < DomLS3> Gencade: i fuckin told you
19:47 < DomLS3> #donger is the biggest piece of shit rigged ass thing out there
19:47 <@ravioli> you're now #2
19:47 <@ravioli> btw
19:47 < DomLS3> because rigged
19:48 < rhqq> admiralspark: well, im curious what reqs are more restrictive than pcidss
19:49 < silentfury> rhqq: marvel/disney tier-0
19:49 < Heresiarch> rhqq: ITAR, usually.
19:49 < rhqq> hmm, google works with govt agensies
19:49 < rhqq> so itar doesnt look like an issue
19:50 < rhqq> marvel/desiney though is interesting, but then google wouldnt risk any "leaks" because legal depts of disney would smash google to the burnt ground
19:50 < rhqq> and to be fair, googles mail is pretty damn secure
19:51 < rhqq> however limited in some functionalities
19:54 < estranger> google sheets needs a Hide Slide option... i dont see it
19:55 < estranger> Marvel is the greatest purchase Disney ever made, business wise
19:55 < admiralspark> rhqq: we fall under a modified NERC-CIP. The burden of proof along with some....geolocation issues and the gmail-accesses-your-inboxes part make compliance insanely expensive
19:55 < estranger> forced their top competitor to have to cut them checks constantly
19:55 < admiralspark> Self-hosted is much easier for that
19:55 < admiralspark> We also have PCI-DSS but it doesn't touch our email system
19:56 < rhqq> admiralspark: if they ever leaked or admitted to do so, they'd be dead same day
19:56 < rhqq> they cant afford it
19:56 < estranger> oh god if email was in PCI scope
19:56 < admiralspark> thank you, third party outsourcer
19:56 < Hatter> 3 more hours of this
19:56 < admiralspark> rhqq: it's not whether they do leak, it's that they access and index the information. Which we can't have as we have enough issues with state actors on our borders
19:56 < rhqq> fun
19:57 < admiralspark> yeah.........thats one way to describe it
19:57 < silentfury> Marvel/Disney Tier-0 [star wars, avengers, etc.] is incredibly draconian
19:57 < admiralspark> I get to play with a lot of cool tech and have frequent visits from FERC when big players begin to move. So that's....exciting. But my life is basically paperwork and 10% of my time on a terminal generating more paperwork
19:58 < Hatter> did you guys see that patton oswalt extended bit from parks and rec where he talks about star wars and marvel and tying in the two universes
19:58 < rhqq> so you fall into the category of seeing terminals more often when paying for shit than at work
19:58 < Hatter> it's pretty good I guess
19:58 < Hatter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY
19:59 <+NinjaStyle> happy GDPR day
19:59 < abakedapplepie> god hes such a nerd
19:59 < admiralspark> rhqq: hahaha....:'(
19:59 < admiralspark> NinjaStyle: is it though?
19:59 < admiralspark> Happy, I mean
19:59 <+NinjaStyle> idk but i have gotten like 500 emails with new privacy policies
20:00 <+NinjaStyle> Implementation date‎: ‎25 May 2018
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> lol NinjaStyle
20:00 <+NinjaStyle> looks to be effective as of today
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah
20:00 < rhqq> yea
20:00 < estranger> DROP THE HAMMER
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> banhammer
20:00 <+AnonymooseWork> should be interesting
20:02 < corn266> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K626gMvu2ds
20:08 < Hatter> corn266: no one listens to them anymore
20:14 < Alternity> i'm so bad at regex :(
20:14 < rhqq> haha
20:14 < rhqq> https://eu.usatoday.com/
20:14 < rhqq> works for ue people
20:14 < Alternity> trying to extract domains from a bunch of email addresses in some logs
20:14 < rhqq> has same content, no ads
20:14 < abakedapplepie> ive had 1 gdpr email
20:14 < rhqq> :D
20:14 < abakedapplepie> its odd
20:14 < Alternity> apparently this is too difficult for me
20:14 < Nightcinder> i've had lots
20:14 < rhqq> i had over 30
20:14 < rhqq> in last hour
20:14 < rhqq> ...
20:14 < abakedapplepie> rhqq: that just redirects to 222. for me
20:14 < abakedapplepie> www.*
20:15 < rhqq> are you in ue ?
20:15 < Alternity> united emerates?
20:15 < rhqq> eu
20:15 < abakedapplepie> oh i tohught you said us not ue lol
20:15 < rhqq> whatever
20:15 < rhqq> xD
20:15 < rhqq> i always make this backwards, for whatever reason
20:17 < Nightcinder> i see at least 10
20:22 < corn266> Here Hatter this is a genre that the youngsters listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7K0pZ9tGi4
20:23 < Hatter> corn266: I don't listen to bad music ironically
20:24 < corn266> The last link wasn't about the music https://media.giphy.com/media/F9yAvk7Xpr0c/giphy.gif
20:25 < admiralspark> corn266: aren;t you like, 25
20:26 <+NinjaStyle> corn266: im gonna eat you
20:27 < corn266> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
20:27 < admiralspark> mmmm cob
20:27 < admiralspark> woah
20:27 < admiralspark> weird
20:27 < admiralspark> my term shit itself
20:27 < rhqq> shat*
20:27 <+NinjaStyle> shitted
20:27 < admiralspark> shart?
20:28 < Hatter> is logstash still a good idea for elastic/kibana these days
20:28 < rhqq> https://i.imgur.com/IK1M8r8.jpg shitten
20:28 <+NinjaStyle> why do people live in places like atlanta
20:28 < Hatter> NinjaStyle: they have a nice aquarium
20:28 <+NinjaStyle> is that all?
20:29 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: because they dont want to deal with you
20:29 <+NinjaStyle> i dont live in most places
20:29 < rhqq> but atlanta is known to be safe
20:30 <+NinjaStyle> im going there next week
20:30 < Hatter> NinjaStyle: it's one of the only two in the world to have a whale shark exibit, the other is in Japan
20:30 < Hatter> exhibit I mean
20:30 <+NinjaStyle> xibit
20:30 <+NinjaStyle> xzibit
20:31 < Hatter> what is that a rapper
20:31 < Hatter> if they don't learn how to spell properly how do they ever expect to get a real job
20:31 < Hatter> oh shit was that racist?
20:31 <+NinjaStyle> yes
20:31 < Hatter> sorry about that
20:31 <+NinjaStyle> once u asked it became racist
20:32 < DomLS3> Hatter: No you're not
20:32 < DomLS3> Deep down you're the biggest racist in here and just try to put on a front
20:32 < abakedapplepie> omg that kitty
20:32 < DomLS3> Other than that guy with klansmen in his name wherever he went
20:32 < abakedapplepie> ive never seen a cat with fur like that
20:32 <+NinjaStyle> abakedapplepie: *shitty
20:38 <+Hunterkll> w00t
20:38 <+Hunterkll> another CC paid off
20:39 < Holo> another?
20:39 < Holo> what do you have left? 20 more?
20:39 <+Hunterkll> nah
20:40 < corn266> Isn't water just the greatest? I don't think it gets the praise it deserves
20:41 < ebol4> you know what's better than water
20:41 < ebol4> pretty much everything
20:41 <+Hunterkll> good thing you said pretty much
20:41 <+Hunterkll> because i was going to ask about your average daily semen consumption
20:41 < corn266> As 60% water I take partial offense to that
20:41 < ebol4> this guy doesn't take his daily semen shot
20:41 <+NinjaStyle> i am 100% water
20:42 < corn266> The chosen one!
20:42 < admiralspark> Hatter: logstash: yes
20:42 < admiralspark> but tbh Graylog meets the needs for actual centralized logging
20:42 < admiralspark> I've only been using ELK for specialised data visualization
20:42 <+NinjaStyle> graylog is definitely easier to get up and running too
20:43 <+NinjaStyle> but kibana is dope af
20:43 < admiralspark> ^^ this x1000
20:43 < admiralspark> both of those
20:43 <+NinjaStyle> :)
20:43 < admiralspark> Graylog's kibana is like...v3 I think. 5.6 and 6.x are awesomesauce. But a metric shitton of work to set up
20:43 < admiralspark> Grafana seems nice
20:43 < Hatter> kibana is really easy to setup these days
20:44 <+NinjaStyle> i had a lot of little gotchas when i was doing it
20:44 <+NinjaStyle> but i am also not a smart man
20:44 < Hatter> yeah I might not be that far yet
20:44 < ebol4> do people actually read the logs in graylog or do you just set it up
20:44 < Hatter> ebol4: I just show it to auditors once a year and say "yeah we're doing that"
20:44 <+NinjaStyle> ebol4: if nothing else it is useful in DFIR situations
20:44 < admiralspark> ebol4: I have filtering, automated alerting, I even trigger some ansible jobs based on logs in graylog and API calls.
20:45 < admiralspark> forensics it's awesome too, yep
20:45 <+NinjaStyle> i would def set up some alerts like x user authed more x amount of times in x timeframe though
20:45 < admiralspark> but...it's my job to do that so
20:45 <+NinjaStyle> or high amount of failed auths as well
20:46 <+NinjaStyle> stuff like that is easy even with default windows logging
20:46 <+NinjaStyle> if you wanna go HAM set up sysmon tho
20:46 < rhqq> speaking of which, i need to configure some centralized syslog
20:46 < admiralspark> what NinjaStyle said. User account access, if you have something like a CDE for PCI look for unauthorized attempts, track all domain admin everything everywheres in case one gets compromised, etc
20:46 < admiralspark> A cool one I started doing was auditd logs, so I can know when an app triggers an selinux hit
20:47 < admiralspark> because fuck me I hate troubleshooting something for hours before I remember to manually check the auditd log
20:48 < pcspkr> domain admin should be blocked from being used on anything except DC's, problem solved
20:49 <+NinjaStyle> yeah, principle of least privilege will save your ass more than anything else
20:49 < ebol4> then what do you do if you need admin access on a user's computer?
20:49 <+NinjaStyle> local admin account
20:49 < Casteil> lol.
20:49 < Hatter> why does go ham mean go crazy
20:49 < ebol4> (i'm not a windows admin)
20:49 < pcspkr> what NinjaStyle is official microsoft guidance
20:49 < Hatter> oh maybe from hog wild
20:49 <+NinjaStyle> Hatter: its from a kanye and jay-z song
20:49 < Casteil> "These employees aren't in the system yet! Can you add them NOW?! IT'S A REALLY BUSY WEEKEND"
20:49 < Hatter> is that the connection?
20:49 <+Hunterkll> admiralspark, pffft just run everything thru audit2allow have a nice day
20:49 < Hatter> ewww
20:50 <+Hunterkll> ebol4, you'd have 4 levels of privlege
20:50 < ebol4> Hatter: it means hard as a motherfucker
20:50 < Casteil> Hmm maybe you should've mentioned to someone you were hiring them when they were hired??
20:50 <+NinjaStyle> hard as a motherfucker
20:50 < ebol4> hog wild is a good explanation though
20:50 <+Hunterkll> ebol4, Domain Admin (can change group policy and modify active directory objects hardcore, basically god in the network and can modify anything), Server Admin, Workstation Admin, and regular User accounts
20:50 <+Hunterkll> Think of domain admin as say, your super duper user on satellite taht can fuck everything up on your entire server fleet
20:51 <+Hunterkll> server admin as your sudo / su user
20:51 <+Hunterkll> workstation admin as your sudo / su user on local workstation
20:51 <+Hunterkll> and regular user as your login account
20:51 <+NinjaStyle> yeah its like becoming a god in order to open a door
20:51 < ebol4> so would you just have a single domain admin account for the entire domain, and then individual server admin accounts for sysadmins?
20:51 <+NinjaStyle> like, just be the guy with the key
20:51 <+Hunterkll> ebol4, no no
20:51 < Casteil> god damn I have a supremely low tolerance for ignorance today
20:52 <+Hunterkll> each DA has their own account
20:52 <+Hunterkll> and only DAs can log into domain controllers
20:52 < Guest82824> hey dudes does anyone know if you set up mariadb to use ssl will it be required or optional?
20:52 < DomLS3> DA gets cryptolocker and infects every device on the network
20:52 < ebol4> oh you just don't use that account to log in to other machines
20:52 <+Hunterkll> DOMAIN\Administrator (the default DA) is kept in a highly secured storage for emergency usage only
20:52 < rhqq> optional
20:52 <+Hunterkll> ebol4, right, if i log into a server with DA credentials, and that server gets compromised, then it's EZ MODE to compromise the entire network
20:52 < Guest82824> rhqq: thank you!
20:52 <+Hunterkll> then i can just pop into a DC and do whatever the fuck i want
20:53 < ebol4> so each sysadmin would actually have 4 separate accounts, like ebol_da, ebol_sa, ebol_wa, and ebol
20:53 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: no, I do. But I forget to use audit2why and audit2allow. Also I like my selinux to be effective :P
20:53 <+Hunterkll> ebol4, correct
20:53 < ebol4> i see
20:53 <+Hunterkll> and say, ebol_wa would work on all workstations
20:53 <+Hunterkll> so any L2 tech can work on any workstation
20:54 <+NinjaStyle> there are a few ways you can handle privileged account management, but what Hunterkll suggests is pretty easy to implement and sane
20:54 <+Hunterkll> there's better ways
20:54 <+Hunterkll> but you're gonna fork over $ for it
20:54 <+NinjaStyle> and it will make you better than 90% of these rappers out there
20:54 <+Hunterkll> ^
20:54 <+Hunterkll> I have like 2309587230958230932 accounts
20:54 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:54 <+Hunterkll> for work
20:54 <+Hunterkll> but we also have like 30 AD domains
20:54 <+NinjaStyle> damn'
20:54 <+Hunterkll> our firewalls have firewallls
20:55 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, you'd fail to get lateral movement not because it wouldn't be somewaht easy, but because of how fucking convoluted shit is
20:55 <+Hunterkll> you'd get stuck in some network path that is supposed to work
20:55 <+Hunterkll> and works 25% of the time to the point where when we need it it's there
20:55 <+NinjaStyle> lol i hate that, when im just like damn i need some docs
20:55 <+Hunterkll> but then breaks constantly
20:55 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, our docs are wrong
20:56 <+NinjaStyle> sometimes i stop trying to move laterally and just find network docs
20:56 <+NinjaStyle> well that sucks
20:56 <+Hunterkll> I one saw the pre-acquisition network diagram
20:56 <+Hunterkll> the top level
20:56 <+Hunterkll> WHY DO YOU NEED THAAAAT MANY SYMBOLLS JUST TO DETAIL NETWORK SEGMENTS
20:56 <+Hunterkll> not like
20:56 <+Hunterkll> not like offices and routers and shit
20:56 <+Hunterkll> just
20:56 <+Hunterkll> "THIS ENVIRONMENT CONNECTS TO THIS ONE VIA THIS "
20:56 <+Hunterkll> and now?!
20:56 <+Hunterkll> we have that entire fuckfest
20:57 <+Hunterkll> PLUUUS another 20k business unit's fuckfest!
20:57 <+NinjaStyle> fuck that
20:57 <+Hunterkll> shit, we're still not done cleaning up from the split and subsequent merger
20:57 <+Hunterkll> we have our new network from the old pre-acquistion company we were moving to
20:57 <+Hunterkll> then two company's networks
20:57 <+Hunterkll> then all the shards of 10 years of legacy
20:57 <+Hunterkll> make that probably 20 years of legacy
20:57 <+Hunterkll> NetWare 6 server appeared on a vuln scan once
20:57 <+Hunterkll> not even 6.5
20:57 <+NinjaStyle> M&A fucks people up every time
20:57 < estranger> wut
20:58 < estranger> isnt that like 20 years old
20:58 <+Hunterkll> 1999 CVEs
20:58 <+Hunterkll> :D
20:58 < estranger> yeah ha
20:58 <+Hunterkll> i'm like
20:58 <+Hunterkll> "this is actually secure because i can't find exploit code anymore"
20:58 < estranger> i was netware 4.1 certed in the freakin 90s
20:58 <+NinjaStyle> lol
20:58 <+Hunterkll> estranger, netware 6/6.5 could act as an AD DC
20:58 <+Hunterkll> :o
20:58 < estranger> [ROOT] is about all I remember
20:58 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:59 <+NinjaStyle> netware was decent for a while, before MS got most of its shit together
20:59 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, there's still some stragglers from an acquisition in like, 2002
20:59 < estranger> and you could make a container, put a user in it, then setup the perms on that container so ONLY that user can see it.  not even Admin can see it.
20:59 <+Hunterkll> 2004
20:59 <+Hunterkll> 2004 acquisition
20:59 < estranger> that may or may not be how I hid a hidden admin user in my HS's netware.
20:59 <+Hunterkll> I found an XP laptop that had 5 AD domains availlable for logon on it
20:59 <+Hunterkll> lol
20:59 <+Hunterkll> thankfully it was in storage and not in use
20:59 <+Hunterkll> but still
21:00 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, A-KO deleted an object in AD when clleaning up after the first split off .... "WIN2KTEST" ... last used in 2007
21:00 <+NinjaStyle> my first IT job was in a novell environment
21:00 <+Hunterkll> he did this in 2015/2016
21:00 <+NinjaStyle> lol
21:00 <+Hunterkll> i'm more concerned by the fact that a Windows 2000 TEST machine lasted until 2007
21:00 <+Hunterkll> then i am by the machine object still being there
21:01 <+NinjaStyle> sometimes i miss being a sysadmin, then this channel helps me remember the horrors
21:01 < estranger> i dont miss it
21:01 < DomLS3> sysadmin is much better than helldesk
21:01 < estranger> not for one second
21:01 < rhqq> estranger: what do you do now
21:01 <+Hunterkll> i love it
21:01 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:01 <+Hunterkll> it's like legos to me
21:01 < rhqq> NinjaStyle: and you
21:01 <+Hunterkll> :D
21:02 < Astr0_Belt_> We still have a two Win2003 servers running prod right now. Programmers dont want to move their SQL off of it. :|
21:02 < estranger> sales engineer for a distributed DB
21:02 < rhqq> yeah, as long as legos actually fit together
21:02 < estranger> so i jstu talk, wave my arms int he air, and use whiteboards
21:02 < rhqq> estranger: right, we talked
21:02 <+Hunterkll> rhqq, fuck that my legos never fit together as a kid
21:02 <+Hunterkll> i made major shit
21:02 <+NinjaStyle> rhqq: i am a security consultant pentester
21:02 <+Hunterkll> loll
21:02 <+Hunterkll> and it was alll fuckered
21:02 <+Hunterkll> i have a fancy title
21:02 <+Hunterkll> Senior Systems Engineer
21:02 <+Hunterkll> :o
21:02 <+NinjaStyle> nice
21:02 < rhqq> i can be whoever
21:02 < estranger> what i LOVE about this job in particular is I am still very hands on with everything.. so I get to play wiht a lot of cool tech at epic scale..... but I have no production worries :D
21:02 < rhqq> elder of the internets
21:02 < rhqq> ;p
21:02 < DomLS3> I'm a Senior Network Engineer even though I don't do networking
21:02 < DomLS3> lul
21:03 <+Hunterkll> yea, during a title realignment during a merger they took me from Senior Systems Administrator to Systems Engineer
21:03 <+Hunterkll> i bitched because they took the Senior out
21:03 <+Hunterkll> boss was like "what do you have we can use to justify the change to senior to hr? a degree?"
21:03 <+Hunterkll> i'm like
21:03 < estranger> yeah i do miss my senior title... they said they were making senior levels of my position but it never happened
21:03 <+Hunterkll> "I'm implementing monitoring for the entire company and i run the SCCM infrastructure managing EVERYTHING"
21:03 <+NinjaStyle> i'm being paid senior money but my title doesnt reflect yet for some reason
21:03 < estranger> i dont even care if the pay is the same i just like the title =)
21:03 <+Hunterkll> boss was like "arlight alirght i get it lol"
21:03 <+Hunterkll> so they were like
21:03 <+Hunterkll> "Good news, your titlle change was approved. bad news, we have to give you a 15% raise to fit you in the pay band"
21:04 <+Hunterkll> me : "damn thats such bad news"
21:04 < sadbox> my place is weird
21:04 <+NinjaStyle> haha
21:04 < sadbox> Everyone is a "Production Engineer"
21:04 <+Hunterkll> speaking of
21:04 <+Hunterkll> raises soon
21:04 < sadbox> from like new-hire all the way to 1+mil / year
21:04 <+Hunterkll> that'lll push me over the next $10k mark woo
21:04 <+Hunterkll> i like getting over the $10k levells
21:04 < estranger> Hunterkll, nice =)
21:04 <+Hunterkll> as in lilke 10 - 20 - 30 - 40 - etc
21:04 <+Hunterkll> ima catch up to a-ko again soon
21:04 <+NinjaStyle> not 10k/week
21:05 <+Hunterkll> hahaha i wish
21:05 <+NinjaStyle> lol
21:05 < estranger> :)
21:05 <+Hunterkll> Soooo mr CEO does your knob need polishing before that big meeting?
21:05 <+Hunterkll> i'd do that for 10k/week
21:05 <+Hunterkll> that's $520k/yr
21:05 <+NinjaStyle> yeah thats some cash
21:05 < estranger> i make commission .. so my pay varies, but I like it.. worker harder, make more
21:05 < hxcsp> why dont you just get good at some videogames and let people watch you play on the internets
21:05 < hxcsp> you can make 100k/month :|
21:06 <+NinjaStyle> hxcsp: if youre one of the 100 people that actually have viewers
21:06 < estranger> make enough commission and they send you to Club at exotic locations, all paid
21:06 < hxcsp> NinjaStyle: or are girl
21:06 <+Hunterkll> hxcsp, you mean like this? https://i.imgur.com/Q75ppKs.png <semi-nsfw>
21:06 <+NinjaStyle> even girls dont get watched
21:07 < hxcsp> Hunterkll: yes
21:07 < rhqq> Hunterkll: right into the point
21:07 <+Hunterkll> estranger, so this is you? https://i.imgur.com/itceVEN.png
21:07 < Hatter> NinjaStyle: is the x-pack stuff free now?
21:07 < estranger> Hunterkll, yeah but I WFH so its ok
21:08 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:08 <+NinjaStyle> i think no, but it has been open sourced
21:08 <+NinjaStyle> Hatter:
21:08 <+NinjaStyle> i havent looked in a while
21:08 <+Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/8NaEqjX.png
21:08 <+Hunterkll> estranger sells some shady shit ... i'd never trust anything he sells... especially these https://i.imgur.com/Jfe9NUk.png
21:09 < estranger> i sell the best bits
21:09  * NinjaStyle remembers not to click while on work vpn
21:09 <+Hunterkll> YUGO drives
21:09 <+Hunterkll> they go like 50 feet and fail
21:09 < estranger> BOOM
21:09 < estranger> oh wait
21:09 < estranger> im thinking Pinto
21:09 <+Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, llast one is a photoshopped hard drive that has YUGO instead of Seagate or wahtever on it
21:09 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:10 <+NinjaStyle> its always a risk
21:10 <+Hunterkll> and only the best 3AM hard drives - https://i.imgur.com/xdYVmeE.png
21:10 <+Hunterkll> these are the hard drives that make you suicidall - https://i.imgur.com/ri8nf1Q.png
21:11 <+NinjaStyle> there probably are comcast branded hard drives
21:11 <+Hunterkll> yes
21:11 <+NinjaStyle> for DVRs
21:11 <+Hunterkll> oh
21:11 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:11 <+Hunterkll> maybe
21:11 <+Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/GSG2ffj.png - "ain't clitoris that big ass red dog"
21:12 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: good news, i get to go to bh/defcon still
21:12 <+Hunterkll> yay
21:12 <+NinjaStyle> was worried with the new job but yeah
21:13 <+Hunterkll> well ima be there for defcon anyway
21:13 <+Hunterkll> and my suite look like dis https://i.imgur.com/p39Mkoc.png
21:13 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:13 <+NinjaStyle> thats bigger than my house
21:13 <+Hunterkll> its only 1050 sq ft
21:13 <+Hunterkll> incl bedroom
21:13 <+NinjaStyle> yep thats bigger than my house
21:13 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:13 <+NinjaStyle> lol
21:13 <+Hunterkll> ceasars forum tower
21:14 <+Hunterkll> should be nice
21:14 <+Hunterkll> staying right at the event
21:14 <+NinjaStyle> i hate Caesars conference center
21:14 <+NinjaStyle> they should move defcon
21:14 <+Hunterkll> no way
21:14 < estranger> im not a big fan of vega in general
21:14 < estranger> :o
21:14 <+Hunterkll> no more pool 2 incidents
21:14 <+Hunterkll> :o
21:16 < Hatter> NinjaStyle: it seems pretty free
21:16 <+NinjaStyle> Hatter: hm maybe it is
21:18 < m4221> Hey
21:18 < m4221> Early dismissal today
21:19 < alazare619> so looks like my mazda will be running a honda ecu lmao
21:19 <+NinjaStyle> wtf
21:19 < alazare619> mazda has no real options for tuning
21:20 < dragonfleas> why was small business server EVER a thing
21:20 <+Hunterkll> dragonfleas, it served a market
21:20 < dragonfleas> SBS is the abomination of the windows server world
21:20 <+NinjaStyle> truth
21:20 <+Hunterkll> essentials does the same thing now, throw on foundation SP and a separate exchange instance
21:20 < alazare619> so i have had a p28 civic si hondata s300 chipped ecu laying around did some investigation and realized i could just wire in its harness car would only be obd1 now but whatever
21:20 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, iT sErVeD a MaRkEt
21:20 <+Hunterkll> sooooooooooooooooooo
21:20 <+Hunterkll> someone just posted this in a facebook group i'm in
21:20 <+Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/3bcJAbu.png
21:21 < dragonfleas> my longest fart is probably about 16 or 17 seconds
21:21 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:21 <+Hunterkll> i've willingly and knowingly implemented SBS before
21:21 <+Hunterkll> minus the exchange component
21:21 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yeah when you combine it with email it breaks
21:21 < m4221> plop: hey
21:21 <+Hunterkll> eh
21:21 <+Hunterkll> i have used it with the email component as a quick start
21:21 <+Hunterkll> and built it out properly later
21:22 <+Hunterkll> it was ... better than being on exchange 2003 .... in 2014 ....
21:22 < dragonfleas> I need to write a professional proposition to propose to CEO & Director for us to switch to O365, i did a cost analysis and it would serve the ORG well
21:22 <+Hunterkll> less than 150 users i take it?
21:22 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yep right now we only have 52
21:22 < dragonfleas> we have some contractors
21:22 <+Hunterkll> though even for about a hundred i still did a 4 server exchange deployment
21:22 < dragonfleas> and some interns
21:22 <+Hunterkll> had on-prem sharepoint too
21:22 < alazare619> i have crop dusted from 1 side of my house to the other
21:23 < alazare619> it just kept coming
21:23 <+Hunterkll> cost less than O365
21:23 < alazare619> and it was silent
21:23 < dragonfleas> alazare619, lmaooooooooo too much taco bell ay?
21:23 < corn266> Anyone going to the AWS New York Summit in July?
21:23 < alazare619> kid walked into the dusting
21:23 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:23 < alazare619> looked like he was about to vomit
21:23 <+Hunterkll> :D
21:23 < alazare619> i laughed he didnt think it was funny
21:23 <+Hunterkll> fact check: house is only a large cardboard box
21:23 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, for non-profit O365 is the way to go
21:23 <+Hunterkll> dragonfleas, for a non profit techsoup would get you the on-prem licensing for shit cheap
21:23 <+Hunterkll> :P
21:24 < alazare619> its about 1600sqft
21:24 < alazare619> not as big as my old house
21:24 < alazare619> but electricty isnt as much which is nice
21:24 <+Hunterkll> thats only 550 sq ft larger than my defcon hotell room
21:24 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:24 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yeah well seeing as how we have 2007 exchange right now i don't feel like migrating all the way to 2016
21:24 < dragonfleas> 2007 exchange on server 2003 r2
21:24 <+Hunterkll> llol
21:24 < alazare619> SAME
21:24 < dragonfleas> our functional level is 2003 r2
21:24 < alazare619> dragonfleas:  dod you work with me?!
21:24 < dragonfleas> so i have to upgrade all of our DC's
21:24 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:25 <+Hunterkll> dragonfleas, you mean 'replace'
21:25 < dragonfleas> alazare619, nah fam i'm sole-role wizard
21:25 < alazare619> dc's 2003 as well dragonfleas ?
21:25 <+Hunterkll> demote, promote
21:25 < alazare619> til dragonfleas  is my director
21:25 < dragonfleas> we have 2 2003 r2 DC's, 1 2008 R2, and one breaking 2012 R2 DC
21:25 <+Hunterkll> might as well 2016 all the things, light up ADFS, do SSO with O365
21:25 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:25 <+Hunterkll> oh
21:25 <+Hunterkll> and migrate off of FRS
21:25 <+Hunterkll> once y ou get those 2003's out of there
21:26 < dragonfleas> yeah i know, and migrate off SMBv1
21:26 <+Hunterkll> that'll happen once 2003/XP is out
21:26 < dragonfleas> right now in our windows 10 image i had to custom enable SMBv1
21:26 <+Hunterkll> that's easy enough
21:26 <+Hunterkll> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2014/06/25/streamlined-migration-of-frs-to-dfsr-sysvol/
21:26 <+Hunterkll> save dat
21:26 <+Hunterkll> you'lll need it
21:26 <+Hunterkll> :)
21:26 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, it's hard to upgrade our DC at HQ because the second DC we have at HQ won't create the sysvol folder and is like failing
21:26 <+Hunterkll> FRS is deprecated in newer windows versions and will probably not work in server 2019
21:26 < dragonfleas> it has a failing raid battery so AD doesn't like it because write-caching doesn't work
21:27 < dragonfleas> and write-caching is required by AD
21:27 <+Hunterkll> AD doesn't care about that
21:27 <+Hunterkll> nope
21:27 <+Hunterkll> not at all
21:27 <+Hunterkll> if anything write-caching is a nono
21:27 <+Hunterkll> just like with exchange
21:27 <+Hunterkll> leads to data loss
21:27 < dragonfleas> lol
21:27 < dragonfleas> then why the fuck won't the DC generate the sysvol folder
21:27 <+Hunterkll> idk
21:27 <+Hunterkll> that's why i deploy exchange on physical
21:27 <+Hunterkll> with write cache disabled on the HBA
21:27 < dragonfleas> also the 2012 r2 DC has a fuck ton of errors in dcdiag
21:27 <+Hunterkll> on NON RAID drives
21:28 <+Hunterkll> so at HQ just promote a new DC and get it replicating
21:28 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:28 < Nightcinder> jfc disney
21:28 < Nightcinder> stop
21:28 < Nightcinder> pls
21:28 < Nightcinder> stop
21:28 <+Hunterkll> fix the 2012 R2 too
21:28 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:28 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/05/boba-fett-joins-the-insane-pile-of-upcoming-star-wars-film-projects/
21:28 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, it would be great to do that
21:28 < dragonfleas> except we don't have another server
21:28 <+Hunterkll> dragonfleas, DO IT ON A FUCKING LAPTOP
21:28 < dragonfleas> lol i guess i could do that
21:28 <+Hunterkll> a NUC
21:28 < dragonfleas> brb spinning up a DC
21:28 <+Hunterkll> fuck a fucking plug into TV x86 pc on a stick
21:29 < dragonfleas> how much ram is needed for ad
21:29 < dragonfleas> 4 gig?
21:29 <+Hunterkll> depends
21:29 <+Hunterkll> i'd say 1-2G for you
21:29 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: I don't believe having sexual relations with a plug will assist in creating a DC
21:29 <+Hunterkll> my server core DCs sat at like 1.5GB for 120 users
21:29 <+Hunterkll> with exchange
21:30 < abakedapplepie> apparently my wireless bridge fell over
21:30 < abakedapplepie> now its only doing 50mbit :(
21:30 < Astr0_Belt_> Spinning up a DC on a friday. Lol.
21:30 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: If a bridge falls over... I'm pretty sure it's still a bridge
21:30 < Astr0_Belt_> fk that.
21:30 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:30 < abakedapplepie> it was on a window mount and the hotter temps caused it to lose suction
21:30 < abakedapplepie> im hoping this wont be a recurring thing
21:30 < abakedapplepie> i did mount it in the winter
21:31 < abakedapplepie> but yeah idk why its only going at 50 now
21:31 < abakedapplepie> it has LOS
21:31 < dragonfleas> i just spun up a vm as a temp DC lol
21:32 < abakedapplepie> im half waiting for the day when the other side of the bridge gets struck by lightning
21:32 < abakedapplepie> its on a mast on the roof
21:32 <+Hunterkll> dragonfleas, https://1drv.ms/i/s!Aptp9MjJBZgAhf94dun5pUTFJnd3Qw
21:32 <+Hunterkll> just put ESXi on a spare dell laptop
21:32 <+Hunterkll> duh
21:32 < abakedapplepie> o.o
21:32 <+Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, ESXi 6 test system when 6 first dropped
21:32 < abakedapplepie> that thing looks old as fuck too
21:32 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: those are the same chairs from my old company
21:32 < abakedapplepie> first or second gen core
21:32 <+Hunterkll> E6510 \
21:32 <+Hunterkll> think it was 3rd actually
21:32 < abakedapplepie> i know those stickers
21:32 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, we have some resources left on our hypervisors, i just spun up a VM
21:32 <+Hunterkll> but it was an E6510 or 20
21:33 <+NinjaStyle> i need a 2 nic intel nuc
21:33 <+NinjaStyle> halp
21:33 <+Hunterkll> i need to make hacker candy for defcon
21:33 < abakedapplepie> why 2
21:33 <+Hunterkll> but i don't know where to get any mdma or lsd locally
21:34 <+NinjaStyle> abakedapplepie: gonna use it as a firewall/router
21:34 < hxcsp> real hackers know how to use the dark web Hunterkll
21:34 < abakedapplepie> o
21:34 <+Hunterkll> lol
21:34 < abakedapplepie> i have a bunch of 4 ports
21:34 <+NinjaStyle> oh well 4 works too
21:34 <+Hunterkll> hxcsp, i use the dark web to share my private videos
21:34 <+Hunterkll> :o
21:34 <+NinjaStyle> *at least 2 nic
21:34 < hxcsp> gross
21:34 < hxcsp> aint nobody got time fo dat
21:34 <+Hunterkll> they love my snail mating videos
21:34 <+Hunterkll> :'(
21:35 < hxcsp> you mating with snails is not something we want to see
21:35 <+Hunterkll> no no
21:35 <+Hunterkll> it's snail on snail action
21:35 <+Hunterkll> not me on snail
21:35 < hxcsp> dont lie
21:35 < hxcsp> its out now
21:35 <+Hunterkll> i have 2
21:35 <+Hunterkll> https://i.imgur.com/xMM1SAo.jpg
21:35 <+Hunterkll> LOOK AT THIS SMUT
21:35 < hxcsp> its all in the logs Hunterkll. you cant retract your statesments now
21:36 < hxcsp> statements*
21:36 <+Hunterkll> PURE FILTH https://i.imgur.com/csKUUCe.jpg
21:36 < hxcsp> cryptic1: what kind of people are you giving +v to, geez
21:36 <@cryptic1> WTF
21:36 <+Hunterkll> look at this crab trying to escape: https://i.imgur.com/j8t164k.jpg
21:36 <@cryptic1> how did he end up with voice
21:37 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, you probably
21:37 < hxcsp> lmao
21:37 <@cryptic1> it was not me
21:37 <@cryptic1> i stripped everyone
21:38 < corn266> help HR emailed me after I looked at snail sex
21:38 < Alternity> i'm a fan of no voice no ops
21:38 < Alternity> just elevate when you need to kick someone
21:38 < Alternity> thats just good security practices
21:38 < hxcsp> Alternity: cryptic1 would have to stay elevated
21:38 < xamithan> But they always kicking someone so they need ops
21:39 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, isn't it bad to have a VM dc?
21:39 <@cryptic1> dragonfleas, hunterkill can only talk to other muted people right now
21:39 <@cryptic1> let me help you
21:39 <@cryptic1> now try
21:42 < abakedapplepie> lmfao
21:43 <@cryptic1> its just a prank.gif
21:44 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, depends on your threat profile
21:44 < Hunterkll> for us, yes, absolutely needs to be physical with a whole slew of other measures in place
21:44 < Hunterkll> for mom & pop dentist office it dont fuckin matter
21:44 < abusetic1> iTs JuSt A pRaNk.GiF
21:45 < alazare619> cryptic1: gimme that +v
21:45 < alazare619> so i can kick someone
21:45 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, just finished the VM, about to promote it and add it as a DHCP failover
21:45 < alazare619> +o i mean
21:45 < abakedapplepie> why would you absolutely need a physical dc
21:45 < abakedapplepie> just curious
21:45 < alazare619> you can take it right after that :P
21:46 < dragonfleas> abakedapplepie, time drift
21:46 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, to protect against VM admin and storage admin attacks
21:46 < Hunterkll> and hypervisor exploits
21:46 < CoJaBo> And CPU exploits
21:46 < CoJaBo> And DRAM exploits
21:46 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, no, you just set up your damn time right and uncheck "time sync" in the VM options
21:46 < Hunterkll> if your domheir is right that won't be an issue
21:46 < Hunterkll> just make sure your damn PDC emulator is configured properly
21:46 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/nepapfe/2013/03/01/its-simple-time-configuration-in-active-directory/
21:47 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, MS best best practice is physical DCs, bitlockered HDDs with TPM backing, in a locked cage, separate from everything else
21:47 < Hunterkll> and only DAs can open that cage
21:47 < Hunterkll> and that's not even counting the red forest and other PAM ssetup that's also in that cage as another set of DCs
21:48 < abakedapplepie> hmm
21:48 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, essentially, properly you should treat your VM admins and storage admins as DAs
21:48 < Hunterkll> AND
21:48 < Hunterkll> if you must virtualize
21:48 < Hunterkll> DCs go on their own cluster
21:48 < Hunterkll> in a locked cage
21:48 < Hunterkll> :)
21:48 < Hunterkll> with FDE on the hosts / SAN
21:48 < abakedapplepie> yeah
21:48 < abakedapplepie> at least now you could with virtual tpm
21:49 < abakedapplepie> but you dont like hyper v
21:49 < dragonfleas> before i demote the old DC, should i remove all the FSMO roles?
21:49 < abakedapplepie> uhh yes
21:49 < abakedapplepie> not remove
21:49 < dragonfleas> and move them to the new DC
21:49 < abakedapplepie> but move
21:49 < dragonfleas> ok
21:49 < javi404> what is a decent torrent client for android?
21:49 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, wtf? I'm a huge hyper-v proponent
21:49 < javi404> first person to give me one gets +1 internet points
21:49 < abakedapplepie> o i thought you didnt like hyperv
21:49 < dragonfleas> javi404, utorrent
21:49 < Hunterkll> to the point i was heckling VMware reps about things like virtual TPM and host guardian during an internal IT summit
21:49 < Hunterkll> lol
21:49 < javi404> dragonfleas: that is still the top one?
21:50 < javi404> dragonfleas: +1 internetz for you friend.
21:50 < abakedapplepie> dragonfleas: when you take over fsmo on a new server it will automatically (and obviously) remove them from the old server
21:50 < abakedapplepie> so dont remove anything :P
21:50 < Hunterkll> nah fuck it
21:50 < Hunterkll> you don't need that weird RID thing
21:51 < dragonfleas> abakedapplepie, i know that lol
21:51 < abakedapplepie> ok just making sure :D
21:51 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, it's a powershell oneliner now
21:51 < abakedapplepie> as it should be
21:51 < abakedapplepie> so say we all
21:51 < Hunterkll> https://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/6736.powershell-move-transfering-or-seizing-fsmo-roles-to-another-domain-controller.aspx
21:51 < dragonfleas> i bet i can live upgrade the domain controller
21:51 < Hunterkll> dragonfleas, oh, yea, make sure sysvol is replicated and dcdiag passes fully
21:51 < Hunterkll> FIRST
21:51 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, ok
21:51 < Hunterkll> 'live upgrade' ?
21:51 < dragonfleas> will do
21:51 < Hunterkll> your infrastructure is so old and shaky
21:51 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:51 < dragonfleas> Hunterkll, yeah i mean during business hours lol
21:51 < Hunterkll> i'd do it from 2012 R2 to 2016 MAYBE
21:51 < Hunterkll> oh
21:51 < Hunterkll> yes
21:52 < Hunterkll> yes that's fine
21:52 < Hunterkll> no one will even notice
21:52 < Hunterkll> shit at my old site i'd patch exchange during business hours
21:52 < Hunterkll> and reboot almost everything
21:52 < Hunterkll> lol
21:52 < Hunterkll> it was properly set up of course...
21:54 < dragonfleas> i safely added 3 DNS servers in the new DC
21:54 < dragonfleas> one at our sister site, and two here
21:54 < dragonfleas> don't want DNS breaking while i'm decommissioning old server
21:54 < Hunterkll> decomm the old
21:55 < Hunterkll> then install a NEW one
21:55 < Hunterkll> same IP
21:55 < Hunterkll> same hostname
21:55 < Hunterkll> as the old
21:55 < Hunterkll> and promte that
21:55 < Hunterkll> then you can toss the temp
21:55 < abakedapplepie> hey guys
21:55 < abakedapplepie> uhhh
21:55 < Hunterkll> https://store.steampowered.com/app/866890/Active_Shooter/
21:55 < abakedapplepie> stupid question
21:55 < Hunterkll> shit
21:55 < Hunterkll> why can't i buy this yet
21:55 < Hunterkll>  Only in "Active Shooter", you will be able to pick the role of an Elite S.W.A.T member or the actual shooter.
21:55 < abakedapplepie> anyone know the "home url" for a dynamics 365 on prem install
21:55 < abakedapplepie> i havent touched this server in 6 months, never finished setting it up
21:55 < abakedapplepie> now boss wants it set up
21:55 < abakedapplepie> localhost is a 404
21:55 < abakedapplepie> D:
21:55 < Hunterkll> looooool
21:55 < Hunterkll> shit
21:56 < Hunterkll> i just rekt mine to reinstall it
21:56 < Hunterkll> lol
21:56 < Hunterkll> oh shit
21:56 < Hunterkll> my shipment of salted penuts is here
21:56 < abakedapplepie> theres no special path right
21:56 < abakedapplepie> localhost should load *something*
21:56 < abakedapplepie> right?
21:56 < abakedapplepie> i tried localhost/Home too
21:56 < abakedapplepie> i feel like an idiot
21:57 < abakedapplepie> ah bum a gtr just pulled in
21:57 < abakedapplepie> my modern dream car D:
21:57 < estranger> http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2018/05/25/insect-milk-dairy-superfood/ drink up
21:58 < estranger> abakedapplepie, im a fan of Godzilla, as well
21:59 < corn266> this year it's cockroach milk next year it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrlWssZmKEQ
22:10 < abakedapplepie> well
22:10 < abakedapplepie> this crm install is hosed apparently
22:10 < abakedapplepie> none of the service accounts are able to authenticate
22:10 < abakedapplepie> the db cant start
22:10 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck
22:11 < m4221> LifeBridge Health took two years to notice a breach...not surprising
22:18 < Hunterkll> abakedapplepie, fix ur shit dawg
22:21 < abakedapplepie> i dont even know where to begin
22:21 < abakedapplepie> nothing is working lol
22:21 < abakedapplepie> i just kinda stared at the event viewer for 5 minutes muttering "what now" in my head
22:22 < corn266> take a breath, stretch, and go home cause it's 1621 on a friday
22:22 < abakedapplepie> true
22:22 < abakedapplepie> im stuck for another 40 minutes tho
22:22 < estranger> reboot it
22:23 < abakedapplepie> i did
22:24 < estranger> 3 times?
22:24 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:24 < abakedapplepie> no just the once i am a bad sysadmin
22:31 <+NinjaStyle> i might buy this to replace my r710, any thoughts?
22:31 <+NinjaStyle> https://www.cdw.com/product/HPE-ProLiant-ML110-Gen10-Performance-tower-Xeon-Bronze-3106-1.7-GHz-1/4985873?pfm=srh
22:33 < corn266> Why does it have a minimum operating temperature?
22:33 <+NinjaStyle> iunno
22:34 < Hunterkll> everything does
22:35 < Hunterkll> corn266, too cold, you get condensation & even icing
22:36 < Hunterkll> it's saying you should run between 8-90% himidity, from 50 to 95f
22:36 < Hunterkll> lower or higher humidity and humidity outside that range and temp
22:36 < Hunterkll> is a problem
22:40 <+NinjaStyle> anyone got homelab opinions? i really wanna get rid of this r710 but idk what to do
22:40 <+NinjaStyle> the only really critical thing i run on it is my firewall, i have some lab stuff but i dont need the power consumption and heat most of the time
22:41 <+NinjaStyle> also it might be nice to trash this mini rack i am using
22:50 < vader-> Anyone see an actual device list for this VPNFilter vulnerability?
22:52 < m4221> I'm gonna need you to come in on Sunday
22:58 < m4221> twoshirt: who the fuck uses bresnan?
22:58 < twoshirt> Unfortunate souls?
22:58 < m4221> twoshirt: people in wyoming
22:59 < m4221> twoshirt: or montana
23:00 < twoshirt> Spectrum has taken Bresnan's place in MT
23:01 < m4221> twoshirt: I have been through the black hole that is Wyoming
23:01 < admiralspark> vader-: https://www.symantec.com/blogs/threat-intelligence/vpnfilter-iot-malware first google search hit
23:26 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: ready for the weekend?
23:26 < MillerBOSS> I just sat down for today. Are you spying on me?
23:27 < MillerBOSS> I will be working.
23:27 < admiralspark> Wait, I thought you're ahead of me in time zones
23:27 < admiralspark> haha
23:27 < MillerBOSS> And tooling around
23:27 < admiralspark> ahhh, well, it does make for quiet time to get work done
23:27 < MillerBOSS> CDT. Just woke up an hour ago
23:28 < admiralspark> right, so it's 430pm there
23:28 < admiralspark> whaaat
23:28 < admiralspark> you have crazy hours
23:28 < MillerBOSS> Correct. Sleep gets screwed up
23:28 < MillerBOSS> I just roll with it
23:28 < admiralspark> word.
23:29 < MillerBOSS> up
23:29 < admiralspark> :P
23:29 < alazare619> fina2getturntupdizweeken
23:30 < MillerBOSS> Spacebar broken?
23:30 < alazare619> nah
23:30 < alazare619> its fine
23:30 < MillerBOSS> Thats a relief
23:30 < admiralspark> alazare619: that's my plan. Doing a roadtrip and drinking for 3 days when I arrive
23:31 < admiralspark> scheduling internal scans to run while I'm out, hopefully it doesn't tip anything over
23:33 < admiralspark> also MillerBOSS that camera in the corner, can you turn it a bit to the left?
23:33 < admiralspark> ;)
23:33 < MillerBOSS> Sure
23:34 < admiralspark> woah no need to flip me off!
23:34 < MillerBOSS> Ha ha I actually did
23:34 < hello_kitty> I'm not sure if this is a sysadmin question exactly... but I periodically have to turn on 10-20 servers in a short period of time. These are websocket game servers (nginx+tsl+node+websocket) and they are being turned to help with an increase in traffic. As it stands currently I do this pretty manually via linode/ovh/vultr and I'm looking for ways do make this process faster/easier. Any general suggestions?
23:36 < admiralspark> haha
23:36 < hello_kitty> So far I end up adding some sort of dns record for each new server (so that the cert works), then I have a first time setup script that installs node, nginx, etc, then I have a upload and start the game script which I use both for turning on new servers and for patching existing servers. The upload+start script basically uploads and extracts a git archive, runs npm install, and then restarts the node services.
23:36 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: OH MAN
23:36 < admiralspark> since it's read-only Friday, lets chat
23:37 < admiralspark> so do you have any automation frameworks?
23:37 < admiralspark> puppet/chef/ansible?
23:37 < admiralspark> oh yeah 100% you can do that workflow in Ansible
23:37 < admiralspark> fo free
23:37 < admiralspark> I have a buddy who does that with Factorio and Minecraft servers
23:37 < admiralspark> one-line provisions everything
23:38 < MillerBOSS> Fucking Factorio
23:38 < hello_kitty> i basically have two glorified bash scripts, one for first time setup and one for update.. .i say glorified b/c they're not really bash, they're node-ssh scripts that run cli commands one at a time
23:38 < MillerBOSS> Total drug
23:38 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: factorio is love, factorio is life
23:38 < admiralspark> I'm only 700hrs in rn
23:38 < MillerBOSS> I need to uninstall that game again
23:38 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: yep, you should look into ansible
23:38 < hello_kitty> is there a way around the uhm... adding dns records? or is that something ansible can do too
23:38 < MillerBOSS> abakedapplepie 👉 https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-25-16-38-41-5m.png
23:38 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: one does not simply uninstall Cracktorio
23:38 < MillerBOSS> admiralspark 👉 https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-25-16-38-41-5m.png
23:39 < MillerBOSS> abakedapplepie 👉 Hi, wrong nick
23:39 < hello_kitty> things were.. much easier when i could just leave the servers as ip addresses, before they all had to be subdomain234.maindomain.com
23:39 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: you could do it with Ansible. Internal or external DNS?
23:39 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: you are all I aspire to be
23:39 < admiralspark> god DAMN boy
23:40 < admiralspark> I was going to take a break at 1000 but I started hitting Rimworld hard at 700hrs in Factorio
23:40 < hello_kitty> admiralspark: If i'm adding dns records via linode/vultr/ovh control panels... is that... external?
23:40 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: I'm assuming public domain. How do you currently do it?
23:40 < admiralspark> oh
23:40 < admiralspark> one sec
23:41 < MillerBOSS> I just mad a map the first time that is huge and that sucked me in  this last week
23:41 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: https://www.linode.com/community/questions/448/how-do-i-addupdate-linode-dns-manager-records-with-ansible
23:41 < admiralspark> looks manual (scripts) right now
23:41 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: are you a RSO player?
23:42 < MillerBOSS> I don't know what that is
23:42 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: in Ansible, I'd have it trigger a python script or a bash script to do it. I'm a big fan of having a machine as it's provisioned do a "check in" to update DNS records but I don't know linode very well, or vultr or whatever
23:42 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: resource spawn overhaul
23:43 < MillerBOSS> No idea
23:43 < admiralspark> aka wide distribution of resource
23:43 < admiralspark> wait
23:43 < admiralspark> you
23:43 < admiralspark> play with mods right
23:43 < MillerBOSS> Nope
23:43 < admiralspark> that's not....1700+
23:43 < admiralspark> holy SHIT
23:43 < admiralspark> 1700hrs of normal gameplay?
23:43 < MillerBOSS> I play like 24 hours at time once and while
23:43 < admiralspark> :O
23:44 < admiralspark> truly I am a mortal among the gods
23:44 < MillerBOSS> Yes
23:44 < MillerBOSS> And that is with two years not touching it as well
23:44 < MillerBOSS> I am no pro though
23:44 < MillerBOSS> Its like Legos for me
23:44 < admiralspark> yeah, same, but. Damn
23:44 < admiralspark> I'd love to see some of those maps, that's nuts
23:45 < MillerBOSS> I still don't know the green and red wires though. Jay-Ros told me but I don't get it and haven't researched it yet
23:45 < admiralspark> I'm down to finishing games in ~20hrs now, havent built many megabases beyond a single rocket
23:45 < admiralspark> oh man, wires are awesome. I've built blueprints for switch-based alerting on resources running low and stuff
23:45 < MillerBOSS> I just made one map like I said all concrete. And ores at each corner.
23:45 < admiralspark> damn
23:45 < admiralspark> daaaaaaamn
23:46 < MillerBOSS> And I dumbed all the goodies on one side
23:46 < MillerBOSS> dumped*
23:46 < MillerBOSS> Got speed 12 for robots
23:46 < admiralspark> you must be using trains though right
23:46 < MillerBOSS> Yup
23:46 < admiralspark> not botting across that distance
23:46 < admiralspark> ah kk
23:47 < hello_kitty> admiralspark: so I'm looking at the newish linode api which has `create domain` and `create domain record` which im guessing is how i'd automate adding foo123.mydomain.com to the dns manager. Is stuff like this more automagic with a different webhost?
23:47 < MillerBOSS> Thats the fun part. Well they do go that far.
23:47 < admiralspark> I have a friend who goes hard like that, he's at 1400 I think, but he hasnt done trains yet. He build microbases that belt or bot back
23:48 < MillerBOSS> Its really nothing special https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-25-16-48-38-pN.png
23:49 < MillerBOSS> And enemies are off
23:49 < MillerBOSS> What I need to do is learn to host or join someone's shit
23:51 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: hold on I got actual work,. brb
23:51 < MillerBOSS> Look at this shit admiralspark https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-25-16-50-15-9P.png also I dumped these Market things and I have money but can't figure out what to do with em https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-05-25-16-51-01-ve.png
23:52 < admiralspark> jesus fuck MillerBOSS the hell did you do
23:52 < admiralspark> I have no idea what those are
23:53 < admiralspark> havent played in like 20-30 updates
23:53 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: so, I think you're on the right path. Basically they've exposed an API you can put/get to and from
23:54 < admiralspark> and you need to build an interface (python requests lib and just a couple lines tbh) to push the name you want and the IP
23:54 < admiralspark> AWS, being bigger, has frameworks so you can add a "role" in ansible and it will automate making that interface for you
23:54 < admiralspark> I know for a fact most of them are just the requests lib making get/puts
23:55 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: just looked it up, apparently it's unused if you're not a preorder-er
23:55 < admiralspark> it was for campaign maps
23:56 < admiralspark> hello_kitty: if I were you, I'd automate the provisioning even if you still have to manually do domains
23:56 < MillerBOSS> They are available in one of the campaigns that you are on a tiny island and need to remove the brick walls and make iron
23:56 < admiralspark> the way my buddy did it, he had each instance he spun up connect to and dump logs in a centralized server, and he had a script running every 5 minutes that would look for "new" servers and provision in DNS if found
23:57 < admiralspark> MillerBOSS: dang. Never did the campaigns
23:57 < admiralspark> sounds like you've been playing longer than I by a long shot
23:57 < MillerBOSS> And I need to uninstall the game
23:57 < admiralspark> I was a steam release player
23:57 < MillerBOSS> Else I will play non stop this weekend
23:57 < admiralspark> :P
23:58 < MillerBOSS> I bought the game I think 4 years ago then connected it to steam
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