--- Log opened Fri Jun 01 00:00:09 2018
--- Day changed Fri Jun 01 2018
00:00 < DeVito> Nothing's too much to play Skyrim(tm) on the Nintendo Switch
00:00 < DeVito> And it's certainly cheaper than the reconstructive surgery if Todd Howard finds out you skipped a re-release
00:00 < alazare619> i just wana play the new legend of zelda
00:01 < DeVito> It was a good game
00:01 <+NinjaStyle> i want a ferrari
00:01 <+NinjaStyle> but its too much
00:01 < DeVito> No you want an actually good car
00:02 < rhqq> every religious ritual looks funny when you plug dubstep into it
00:02 < rhqq> https://youtu.be/AaCAVsgvrLk
00:09 < StrongBad> yo---when I move my fileserver from old domain to new domain, will the file shares I have on there retain their permissions? I have a trust + conditional dns forwarding between them and I want the permissions to stay in tact.
00:13 < Hunterkll> StrongBad, i was gonna say no, but now i'm gonna say 'maybe'
00:18 < pcspkr> nothing will touch the NTFS ACL's
00:19 < pcspkr> share-level permissions maybe
00:20 < Hunterkll> the SIDs will stay
00:20 < Hunterkll> they may or may not resolve
00:20 < Hunterkll> but they'll stay
00:25 < Hunterkll> pcspkr, you see my new website yet? https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
00:25 < Hunterkll> yes, the buttholes are secured with SSL
00:25 < DeVito> Thank christ it's https
00:25 < DeVito> I was worried
00:25 < Hunterkll> it works without SSL too
00:25 < pcspkr> secured buttholes
00:25 < DeVito> What, no HSTS for your buttholes?
00:26 < Hunterkll> i'd have to figure out how to configure that on namecheap shared hosting
00:26 < Hunterkll> lol
00:27 < MillerBoss> Why am I not at the top of this shitty, I mean, wonderful website?
00:29 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, because you're not cryptic1
00:29 < MillerBoss> Duh, I am MillerBoss
00:30 < MillerBoss> So I saw an Apple Maps vehicle today
00:31 < MillerBoss> That was interesting.
00:33 < voidstar> was it rose gold?
00:34 < MillerBoss> My phone taking the pictures was
00:35 < MillerBoss> https://shit.farm.millerboss.com/x/IMG_2998-v.jpg voidstar
00:35 < MillerBoss> All kinds of shit there
00:35 < rpifan> hi
00:36 < voidstar> veritable shit farm?
00:36 < MillerBoss> Sure
00:37 < MillerBoss> I still don't understand why they don't host maps.google.com in a browser.
00:37 < StrongBad> what a shitshow Apple turned into
00:37 < MillerBoss> I mean maps.apple.com
00:37 < MillerBoss> How come StrongBad ?
00:37 < Jekotia> MillerBoss: Excessive pride.
00:38 < Jekotia> "They're our competition in on area, fuck them!"
00:38 < MillerBoss> Or just to control the user experience.
00:38 < StrongBad> there used to be a reason to go Apple, and now I can't think of any
00:38 < StrongBad> but there are a lot of reasons NOT to
00:38 < MillerBoss> Many more not to go to other things too StrongBad  :)
00:39 < StrongBad> can't replace anything, hardware quality is about the same as a dell half the price, they're gonna run their own CPUs soon (wtf?)
00:40 < StrongBad> all Apple cares about is iphone accessories and reinventing the wheel when it comes to maps I guess
00:41 < MillerBoss> Maps has been a things for some time now, right? Maybe 5 years. Probably the main reason Scott Forstall is no longer at Apple.
00:41 < MillerBoss> And a thing too
00:41 < MillerBoss> But there are people see it the way you see it StrongBad and just enough people that see it the other way too.
00:42 < catbeard> Come back! Our maps won't drive you off a cliff anymore
00:42 < MillerBoss> Not everyone wants to replace their own parts on Macs, right?
00:42 < rpifan> today we lost internet in the building for 30+ minutes
00:42 < rpifan> was a great time
00:42 < StrongBad> it's a massive PITA when any of my users need work on their macs
00:42 < StrongBad> literally have to send them to the apple store
00:43 < rpifan> why
00:43 < rpifan> u can fix them
00:43 < rpifan> ur smart
00:43 < MillerBoss> What kind of issues are there that you have to do that StrongBad? I am curious
00:43 < StrongBad> intermittent kernel panic for example
00:43 < StrongBad> ended up being an issue with the SSD that the apple store failed to diagnose 3x
00:43 < rpifan> give it some antianxiety pills
00:43 < MillerBoss> Sure else you can send in the machine too.
00:43 < StrongBad> I actually *read* the kernel panic message and it said the SSD was the source of the failure
00:44 < StrongBad> had to escalate it to an applecare supervisor (took 30 minutes) and was finally able to send it off
00:44 < MillerBoss> If under AppleCare its free to ship it in and its over night both ways
00:44 < StrongBad> Dell will come out next day and fix anything
00:44 < catbeard> guaranteed turnover
00:44 < MillerBoss> Yeah
00:44 < MillerBoss> Ahh
00:44 < rpifan> they have dell rep across the coutnry?
00:44 < StrongBad> Apple blows, none of these are good things
00:44 < StrongBad> Dell contracts with certified third parties so yeah they're most places
00:45 < cipher6> It's Always DNS.
00:45 < catbeard> says the man without an RDNS
00:45 < cipher6> Can someone do me a favor and ping/dig/trace whispersystem.org
00:45 < cipher6> Can someone do me a favor and ping/dig/trace whispersystems.org
00:45 < cipher6> systems* rather
00:45 < rpifan> nop
00:45 < catbeard> aws dns
00:45 < rpifan> could be the cia
00:46 < catbeard> whispersystems.org.     60      IN      A       13.32.115.86
00:46 < catbeard> whispersystems.org.     60      IN      A       13.32.115.104
00:46 < catbeard> whispersystems.org.     60      IN      A       13.32.115.4
00:46 < catbeard> whispersystems.org.     60      IN      A       13.32.115.57
00:46 < catbeard> prob
00:46 < cipher6> thanks,
00:46 < catbeard> amazone ips
00:46 < cipher6> So, what about textsecure-service.whispersystems.org ?
00:46 < catbeard> textsecure-service.whispersystems.org. 60 IN A  127.0.0.1
00:46 < rpifan> how do u know ther aws
00:46 < rpifan> ips
00:46 < cipher6> Reason I'm asking is all of my Signal App/Desktop service wen't down and they're returning 127.0.0.1
00:46 < catbeard> whois
00:47 < cipher6> hmm....something fucky is going on.
00:47 < catbeard> that's because they pushed 127.0.0.1 as the A record
00:47 < cipher6> Yeah but why would signal do that? Amazon has been threating to shut down their AWS service b/c they've been circumventing Russian censorship,
00:47 < catbeard> ya signal doesn't work hmm
00:48 < cipher6> and Telegram announced today that they've not been allowed to update since April b/c Russia is bent out of shape and keeps blocking entire IP blocks
00:48 < cipher6> Thanks for confirming catbeard I thought I was going crazy
00:48 < cipher6> have been digging everywhere and kept getting 127.0.0.1
00:49 < rpifan> do they ow na chunk of the internet like google
00:49 < rpifan> hmm
00:49 < cipher6> rpifan russia?
00:50 < cipher6> ah he's gone,
00:50 < cipher6> nvm
00:50 < cipher6> I was going to tell him about my cool rpi setup today for a client anyway
00:50 < cipher6> ooh, he's back,
00:50 < precise> .rpi setup for client
00:50 < precise> wot
00:50 < cipher6> no russia just can't figure out how to block telegram well, so they blocked entire AWS sections
00:50 < cipher6> precise: Put Unifi Controller on a Debian9/Rpi 3b+ for a SOHO restaurant,
00:50 < cipher6> works great,
00:51 < precise> cipher6: Fair enough
00:51 < precise> Why not cloudkey?
00:51 < MillerBoss> Because you can, precise
00:51 < catbeard> https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-on-the-front/
00:51 < cipher6> B/c I refuse to pay money for cloudkeys, most of my clients have 2 maybe 3 ports, on an edge x
00:51 < cipher6> MillerBoss: also that
00:51 < cipher6> catbeard: yeah, i said that...
00:51 < cipher6> lol ,but thanks for digging up the article
00:52 < MillerBoss> But does that explain the 127.0.0.1 A record?
00:53 < precise> cipher6: You don't get a dedicated 8 port switch? Just use the Edge X's switching sub-interface?
00:53 < cipher6> precise: man, this town doesn't even have 15k people in it,
00:53 < cipher6> and they just started laying fiber,
00:54 < cipher6> these people are going from 10mbps adsl to FTTH,
00:54 < cipher6> I'm trying to re-wire houses, re-wire businesses, install wifi networks, do smart homes on new constructions AND work my day job in a NOC in the city a ~hr away
00:54 < precise> cipher6: It leaves room for expansion, that's how I'd do it at least.
00:55 < cipher6> They don't want to spend money, and what money they do want to spend needs to go > pocket not into equipment
00:57 < MillerBoss> Oh I see now looking at Dev Tools, cipher6. See https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%40signalapp&src=typd
00:57 < cipher6> MillerBoss: thanks
00:57 < MillerBoss> You bet
00:58 < matjam> iwoowoo
00:58 < MillerBoss> They are still using Route 53
00:58 < cipher6> route53?
00:58 < MillerBoss> AWS DNS service
00:59 < MillerBoss> In relation to the https://signal.org/blog/looking-back-on-the-front/
00:59 < cipher6> ah gotcha,
00:59 < cipher6> yeah, i understand
00:59 < MillerBoss> I am sure someone is having fun over there at Signal.
01:00 < MillerBoss> >THE INTERNET IS DOWN
01:00 < MillerBoss> https://www.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/8nmhfk/signal_down/
01:01 < rpifan> it was
01:01 < rpifan> 30+ minutes at work
01:01 < MillerBoss> cipher6 👉 https://status.aws.amazon.com/
01:02 < MillerBoss> Could be related
01:02 < StrongBad> interesting---what does this mean for signal users
01:02 < StrongBad> I have been using it for a couple of years I think
01:03 < MillerBoss> I think that will only impact user's in countries that are dumb StrongBad regarding that article
01:03 < MillerBoss> users*
01:03 < StrongBad> the USA is pretty dumb
01:03 < cipher6> Nah, this seems to be a some specific amazon fuckery.
01:03 < cipher6> And I just spoke to a contact in South Africa, he's down to,
01:03 < cipher6> had to switch to SMS which is potentially (i don't wanna be dramatic) life threatening for the work that he does
01:04 < MillerBoss> cipher6 👉 I mean in terms of the domain fronting.
01:04 < cipher6> too*
01:04 < MillerBoss> >When access to Signal was originally censored in Egypt, Oman, Qatar, and UAE, we responded by deploying domain fronting in those countries through Google App Engine.
01:04 < MillerBoss> USA doesn't need to worry about that in present day StrongBad is what I meant. :)
01:05 < cipher6> 52.70.150.128
01:05 < cipher6> 52.54.209.68
01:05 < cipher6> 52.45.155.28
01:05 < cipher6> 52.4.181.2
01:05 < cipher6> 52.23.49.187
01:05 < cipher6> 52.202.234.33
01:05 < cipher6> 52.2.222.12
01:05 < cipher6> 35.170.152.207
01:05 < cipher6> All those were textsecure-service, they're all gone
01:05 < cipher6> is StrongBad a newspeak?
01:05 < cipher6> or am I missing something
01:05 < MillerBoss> Yes but AWS has issues at the moment per their status page
01:05 < StrongBad> newspeak?
01:06 < DLSteve_> Whatever happened to the good old days of writing shit on paper and sending a currier with your top secret stuff?
01:06 < SleePy> Those got intercepted as well
01:07 < SleePy> So started the process of encrypting messages...
01:07 < DLSteve_> Well sure, thats the nature of the game.
01:07 < StrongBad> cipher6: what are you asking
01:09 < cipher6> strongbad, I didn't know you were a person lol
01:09 <+NinjaStyle> cipher6: youll encounter that again i'm sure
01:09 < StrongBad> how do you know I'm not an AI
01:10 < rpifan> today i made lots of jokes on the corporate slack
01:10 < rpifan> mostly well received
01:10 < rpifan> in one i said its ok we are family we can just share all the files
01:10 < rpifan> and infrastructure boss was like family doesnt override right user permissions
01:11 < sideup66> So that's butt
01:11 < sideup66> I figured out the wifi calling feature in my phone (using tmo) and the rate page for international on it is confusing af
01:11 < sideup66> Why should that cost? It's VoIP, should be little to no cost to the carrier.
01:12 <+TuxedoJack> All things and specs being equal, what would be a better laptop to give to a kid as a learning tool - a Latitude E6530 or an E5530
01:12 <+TuxedoJack> Same proc, same RAM, same LCD
01:12 <+TuxedoJack> Got both scrapped from a client, they're in mint condition
01:12 <+NinjaStyle> sideup66: tmobile wifi calling is free internationally in the same way regular calling is free domestically iirc
01:13 <+NinjaStyle> you call to international numbers it costs i believe
01:13 <+NinjaStyle> but to domestic numbers is free
01:13 < sideup66> https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680
01:13 < sideup66> So if I'm out of the US calling in it would be free
01:13 < sideup66> But calling that country would cost?
01:14 <+NinjaStyle> yeah i think so
01:14 <+NinjaStyle> since youre still calling from a domestic number
01:15 < rpifan> use astiersk
01:15 < rpifan> asterisk
01:16 < Casteil> jesus
01:16 < Casteil> good thing I tended to my pool today
01:16 < l3gacy> pew pew ka choo
01:17 < abakedapplepie> look at this bougie fucker with a pool
01:17 < rpifan> u have a pool?
01:17 < l3gacy> Sent my EX boss a three page email detailing why I quit.  He told me I can QUIT when HE SAYS
01:17 < Casteil> I was debating just being lazy this evening.. but I went out to check and free chlorine was down to 0, rain last night had brought down a shitload of pollen and tree debris... skimmer basket absolutely jammed full of shit
01:17 < Nightcinder> l3gacy: lol
01:17 < Nightcinder> byeeeeee
01:17 < l3gacy> I told him I'm calling the BSA
01:17 < Casteil> "BYE FELICIA!"
01:17 < rpifan> bsa?
01:17 < l3gacy> He reuses keys left and right
01:17 < l3gacy> Business software alliance
01:18 < rpifan> oh nice
01:18 < rpifan> do it
01:18 < l3gacy> He even resuses keys from clients on other clients
01:18 < Casteil> rpifan: yes.. https://i.imgur.com/uU9Ea5t.png :D
01:18 < l3gacy> like Office 2016
01:18 < l3gacy> Windows 10, 7, 2012
01:18 < rpifan> how do i report my work for gdpr
01:18 < rpifan> u need a hot tub
01:18 <+NinjaStyle> rpifan: wat
01:19 < rpifan> GDPR
01:19 < rpifan> GDPR
01:19 <+NinjaStyle> why
01:19 < rpifan> im sure there violating something
01:19 < rpifan> for fun and profit
01:19 < l3gacy> I got 21 emails about that shit, today
01:19 <+NinjaStyle> thats fucked up
01:19 <+NinjaStyle> you wont profit
01:19 <+NinjaStyle> but you will get fired
01:19 < rpifan> thought it was anon
01:19 <+NinjaStyle> go ahead and do it
01:20 < rpifan> idk how
01:20 < l3gacy> I already got my SSDI back, so...
01:20 < l3gacy> I'm applying for full SSI now
01:20 < rpifan> i am an inocent pfy
01:20 < l3gacy> Gonna use the extra income to get my cisco CCENT, CCNA, and then MS server, then sec+
01:20 < l3gacy> then go back to work
01:20 < l3gacy> Need to work on mental health fist
01:20 < l3gacy> *first
01:20 < l3gacy> fist, too
01:21 < rpifan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqW0ExPzMxI
01:22 < l3gacy> Just... bitch had nerve telling me I CANT quit till he tells me
01:22 < l3gacy> I have no contract, and I'm not gonna be on call 24/7 for $10/hr
01:23 <+NinjaStyle> u should have bit him
01:23 < rpifan> yes
01:23 < rpifan> biting is good
01:24 < l3gacy> I should have ripped his esophagus open with a spinning back kick
01:24 < l3gacy> But I'm trying to be more "zen"
01:26  * rpifan screams serenity now serenity now
01:26 < sideup66> NinjaStyle: that's my logic too
01:26 < sideup66> It doesn't cost tmo anything for that,where I'm connected there's all VOIP
01:45 < catbeard> https://www.cnet.com/news/google-bug-shows-text-messages-when-searching-the1975-com-on-android/
01:45 < catbeard> the fuck
01:46 < Casteil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKIye4RZ-5k < Kinda want to build a pair of these for my home office
01:46 < Casteil> would be nice to have some speakers flush on my wall as opposed to my 15" deep bookshelf speakers needing a bunch of table space
01:47 < precise> catbeard: Just confirmed on my phone, that's wierd af
01:48 < rpifan> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/8nfrpf/new_mouse_pad/
01:49 < Casteil> catbeard: doesn't work on my android 8.1 phone
01:51 < precise> Casteil: In the actual Google app? Not chrome.
01:51 < Casteil> yes.
01:51 < precise> Huh
01:51 < precise> Odd
01:51 < precise> I've got android 7 Moto Z2 Play
01:51 < precise> Maybe it's not in Oreo
01:54 < hug> Casteil: Those speakers are likely to be garbage.
01:55 < Casteil> not entirely sure about that. that guy is a pretty smart cookie
01:55 < hug> You'd be *far* better off just buying some flat panel speakers.
01:55 <@JollyRgrs> i got a Z Force and it works
01:56 < hug> Casteil: lol that frequency response.
01:56 < precise> JollyRgrs: Oreo?
01:56 <@JollyRgrs> no, didn't get oreo
01:56 <@JollyRgrs> though i thought it was supposed to like a year ago
01:56 < precise> JollyRgrs: Yeah
01:56 < precise> Same
01:57 <@JollyRgrs> my phone is up in oct
01:57 < precise> I've got a new phone that's supposed to get Oreo, not yet
01:57 <@JollyRgrs> i'll be getting a pixel 3 XL unless something changes my mind
01:57 < precise> JollyRgrs: Google stalks you.
01:57 < precise> Did I change your mind?
01:57 <@JollyRgrs> nope
01:57 < precise> Aight
01:57 <@JollyRgrs> i've been on android since the OG motorola Droid (and been on Motorola since then as well)
01:57 < precise> I made the mistake of getting the Verizon Retail Moto Z2 Play so I can't unlock bootloader or root.
01:57 < precise> No LineageOS for me
01:58 < precise> Also, they disable miracast and don't let you enable it. So no screensharing.
01:58 < precise> Probably not gonna go with a Moto for next phone.
01:58 <@JollyRgrs> my Razr was the last android i was able to flash
01:58 < precise> JollyRgrs: :/
01:58 <@JollyRgrs> precise: its disabled?
01:58 < precise> JollyRgrs: Yes
01:58 <@JollyRgrs> i never had a chance to use it
01:58 < precise> There's a config file hack if root
01:58 <@JollyRgrs> but the chromecasting screen thing works fine
01:58 < precise> JollyRgrs: It WILL let you use Chromcast
01:58 <@JollyRgrs> precise: verizon + root? good luck
01:58 < precise> JollyRgrs: Yeah
01:59 < precise> But miracast is an "open" standard, in a similar vein to how HDMI is standardised.
01:59 < precise> Most smart TV's support Miracast
01:59 < precise> Nerp, you either get Google Chromcast or the Moto Projector Mod
02:01 < MillerBoss> catbeard 👉 catbeard 👉 https://millerboss.com/x/note-maJupYN0hg-Y.txt looks fixed now.
02:01 < MillerBoss> cipher6 👉 ^
02:02 < rhqq> what the heck are you doing guys
02:02 < MillerBoss> Touching themselves.
02:02 < rhqq> yeah, i can tell
02:02 < rhqq> it's all because of the bad influence cryptic1 has on you
02:03 < precise> 20:02 < rhqq> what the heck are you doing guys
02:03 < precise> Stop trying to be an offbrand crowd42
02:03 < precise> FUCKING HELL
02:03 < rhqq> ?
02:03 < precise> crowd42: CHANGE YOUR FUCKIN NICK
02:03 < precise> cryptic1: ^
02:03 < precise> IDKY
02:03 < hug> Are you drunk
02:03 < MillerBoss> No shit
02:04 < MillerBoss> Have another beer hey
02:05 < MillerBoss> https://twitter.com/telegram/status/1002273079895117825
02:05 < varesa> SELinux <3 Something on one of two HA pair DB servers changed the context of /tmp from tmp_t to tmpfs_t which blocked MySQL after a restart
02:07 < jay-ros> Morning everyone :)
02:07 < catbeard> signal seems to be back up
02:08 < jay-ros> catbeard - signal?
02:09 < catbeard> the texting app
02:19 < Hunterkll> precise, i made a new website https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:20 < rhqq> im surprised domain was actually free to take
02:20 < Hunterkll> ive had it for a year or two now
02:20 < Hunterkll> finally using it
02:20 < rhqq> still
02:21 < precise> Hunterkll: y tho
02:21 <+CheckYourSix> precise: Because Hunterkll
02:21 < rhqq> he wanted to make competition to r/alteredbuttholes
02:22 < Hunterkll> precise, CheckYourSix i've updated the site https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:22 < Hunterkll> also you'll note
02:22 < Hunterkll> butthole security is at its tightest
02:22 < Hunterkll> with that leet https
02:22 <+CheckYourSix> I'm afraid to go to that site...
02:22 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, it's surprisingly safe for work
02:23 < Hunterkll> you're even featured on it
02:23 <+CheckYourSix> Haha. Glad to see I made the cut
02:23 <+CheckYourSix> So what was the selection process?
02:23 < Hunterkll> i dunno
02:23 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, i'm limiting myself to technology that's only in my book
02:24 < Hunterkll> for the design of this website
02:24 < Hunterkll> its a book from 1999
02:24 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078971759X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
02:24 < Hunterkll> THOUGH
02:24 < Hunterkll> I will advance 1 year when i receive the updated version
02:24 < Hunterkll> that i bought for $5
02:24 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Using-XHTML-XML-Java/dp/0789724731/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
02:24 < Hunterkll> we'll move on from HTML4
02:24 < Hunterkll> to XHTML
02:24 < Hunterkll> WOOHOO
02:25 <+CheckYourSix> Haha you have too much free time
02:25 <+CheckYourSix> Are you still traveling around or are you back home?
02:25 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, cocaine.support@cocainedealers.club is a valid email address
02:25 < Hunterkll> just sayin'
02:26 < precise> I hate Ebay/Paypal
02:26 < precise> But these drive trays are 50% cheaper
02:26 < precise> bah
02:26 < Hunterkll> so don't use paypal
02:26 < Hunterkll> just use ebay
02:26 < Hunterkll> ;)
02:26 < precise> I don't like either
02:28 <+NinjaStyle> ordered beer my dudes
02:28 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, i'm going to have to start making columns for all the fuckstains i have to add to my site
02:28 < Hunterkll> >:3
02:28 < Hunterkll> the list is getting long
02:28 < Hunterkll> https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:28 <+NinjaStyle> lol
02:30 < m4221> NinjaStyle blows
02:30 < precise> m4221: Good news
02:30 < precise> m4221: You are featured on hugebuttholes.com
02:30 <@JollyRgrs> :( lol
02:30 < Hunterkll> precise, yo! https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
02:30 < Hunterkll> https man
02:30 < Hunterkll> it doesn't auto-redirect
02:31 < Hunterkll> you gotta be secure
02:31 < precise> Hunterkll: get HTTPSEverywhere pleb
02:31 < precise> Also
02:31 < precise> Autoredirect your shit
02:31 < Hunterkll> fuck no
02:31 < Hunterkll> i hate people who don't have non-https options for obscure use cases
02:31 < Hunterkll> it's actually caused me a lot of frustration to the point of having to set up an https stripping proxy for a system
02:32 < Hunterkll> god help me when we finally trash ipv4
02:34 < Hunterkll> lol
02:34 < Hunterkll> poor m4221 ran away now that he knows hes famous
02:34 < m4221> Hunterkll: ...
02:34 < m4221> -.-
02:35 < nohusuro> yiew! long weekend bitches
02:35 < Hunterkll> m4221, if you have a complaint you can email it to cocaine.support@cocainedealers.club
02:35 < Hunterkll> we'll file it in our CRM and ignore it
02:36 <@JollyRgrs> you'll actually file it?
02:36 < m4221> JollyRgrs: ...no
02:36 < nohusuro> Hunterkll: what kind of obscure use cases are you talking about?
02:36 < catbeard> S-HTTP
02:36 < catbeard> ftw
02:37 <@JollyRgrs> m4221: that was directed at Hunterkll
02:37 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, it's automated
02:38 < Hunterkll> nohusuro, systems that can't handle newer ciphers/TLS /etc
02:38 < Hunterkll> some systems that can't even handle SSL at all due to CPU constraints
02:38 < Hunterkll> etc
02:38 <+NinjaStyle> m4221: :\
02:38 < Hunterkll> i really don't wanna deal with TLS 1.2 on a unix system that has a 33mhz cpu
02:39 < Hunterkll> And god help you trying to access shit on a modern WinCE 6.x device
02:39 < Hunterkll> those are still in production ya know
02:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> Hunterkll: I want to turn my z80 computer into a web server for hugebutthole.com
02:39 < Hunterkll> too bad
02:39 < Hunterkll> namecheap shared ssd hosting for me
02:39 < Hunterkll> :>
02:40 < catbeard> Hunterkll: what is a yugi
02:40 <+NinjaStyle> so i finished brute forcing all available 3 letter .co domains
02:40 <+NinjaStyle> all of them are listed for millions
02:40 < Hunterkll> lol
02:41 < jay-ros> I just had a vendor of one of our applications thank me for giving her such an easy access availability to their product in our implementation
02:42 < jay-ros> ...citrix login rights have explicit access to their desktop login, application, and rdp session to their server, and their database on our db server
02:42 < jay-ros> I said "it's easy when I can lock you down to only having a single path of login"
02:45 < catbeard> single path, multi-step login sequence
02:45 < catbeard> e.g. ssh gateway to access ssh jumpbox software
02:45 < catbeard> vpn to access ssh gateway in the first place
02:55 < rhqq> time to work more...
02:55 < catbeard> anyone ever heard of keeto ?
02:55 < rhqq> ?
02:55 < rhqq> meeto?
02:55 < catbeard> keeto.io
02:55 < rhqq> ;p
02:56 < rhqq> tldr?
02:56 < catbeard> x509 ssh key management with ldap
02:56 < rhqq> eli5
02:56 < rhqq> well, eli7, i feel smart today
02:57 < catbeard> basically same as teleport, keys on top of keys to enforce access
02:57 < rhqq> actually
02:57 < rhqq> i have somewhat related question
02:58 < rhqq> ldap, this is just "openldap" and that's it or ldap specifies a family of shit
02:58 < rhqq> compatible with ldap protocol
03:01 < catbeard> you could ask in #keeto
03:01 <@cryptic1> evening
03:01 < catbeard> but i think it's openldap
03:01 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
03:01 < catbeard> ideally ldaps
03:01  * m4221 tases cryptic1 
03:01 <@cryptic1> D:
03:01 <@cryptic1> no no no
03:01 < catbeard> cleveland_no_no_no_NOOOOOO.gif
03:01 < rhqq> haha
03:02 < rhqq> catbeard: you made me say that in my head
03:05 <+NinjaStyle> why is the mx tld so unpopular
03:05 <+NinjaStyle> lol
03:09 <+NinjaStyle> well i got short domain
03:10 < genr8_> what do i do if i"m cheap and I dont wanna renew my domain at the $20 price or whatever since I got it for a dollar. how long do i have to wait to rebuy it at $1
03:12 <+NinjaStyle> i think namecheap os currently bork
03:12 <+NinjaStyle> is*
03:12 <+CheckYourSix> Depends on the registrar. Some are a year after it expires
03:13 <+CheckYourSix> Some are more/less
03:13 <+CheckYourSix> NinjaStyle: What issues?
03:13 <+NinjaStyle> it failed to register my domain
03:13 <+CheckYourSix> Weird
03:13 <+NinjaStyle> its also going slow as balls
03:16 <@cryptic1> NinjaStyle, that sucks
03:17 <+NinjaStyle> ye
03:21  * precise snipes NinjaStyle's domain
03:21 <@cryptic1> just bought ninjastyle.m4221
03:21 <+NinjaStyle> i would be surprised if these domains were actually available
03:22 < precise> cryptic1: what u change?
03:23 <+NinjaStyle> no more voice rules
03:23 < precise> ooooo
03:23 <@cryptic1> gonzo
03:23 < precise> cryptic1:
03:23 < precise> therefore
03:23 < precise> i can have voice?
03:23 < precise> :D
03:23 <+precise> :D
03:23 <+precise> yay
03:23 < m4221> cryptic1: +o pls
03:23  * MillerBoss looks at layer-eight 
03:23 <+precise> They were voice rules m4221
03:23 <+precise> not op rules
03:23 < MillerBoss> `bofh
03:23 <+layer-eight> BOFH Too few computrons available.
03:23 < MillerBoss> Totally
03:24 < catbeard> will take v as well then
03:24 <+precise> lol, u are forever v
03:24 < catbeard> ikr
03:24 < catbeard> i was for 6 months under another nick and nobody said a word
03:24 < catbeard> i think JollyRgrs forgot
03:24 <+precise> rip
03:25 < catbeard> funny enough someone who knew my previous nick was responsible for trying to brute sasl auth
03:25 <+precise> heh
03:25 <+precise> Does freenode SASL rate limit?
03:25 < catbeard> no idea
03:25 < catbeard> they don't ip restrict though
03:26  * precise meanders over to #freenode
03:33 < sammm> so after our team looked after a disaster scenario, worked easily 60 hours + each per week
03:33 < sammm> we get told we need to not leave on the dot
03:33 < sammm> because it looks like we aren't busy  / passionate about the company
03:33 < sammm> where the FUCK is my pay increase
03:33 < sammm> and they want to start talks on expanding the 24h on call roster
03:34 < catbeard> probably in the same place the biff from the work ends up, in someone elses pocket
03:34 < sammm> so mad
03:34 < catbeard> umad? get contract
03:34 < sammm> im not doing on call unless i see contract
03:34 <+CheckYourSix> sammm: Your entire team should say fuck you and quit.
03:34 < sideup66> https://imgur.com/gIWMlNp
03:34 <+layer-eight> * sideup66 →  IMGUR Image → When two lightning bolts collide, one will absorb all the negative ions from the other and create something called an OHH SHIT! → Image/gif → 10 hours ago → NatureIsFuckingLit → FP Edit:  Thanks guys.   I know you have a choice on what posts you upvote, and I appreciate you upvoting mine.   If you're looking for some great music, I have an album submitted on my profile that you may want to check out.
03:34 <+layer-eight> It's got a little bit of everything on it, and a lot of those artists have very low views. → 728x728 → Animated → ⚘ 1,239,290
03:35 <+precise> layer-eight: Please settle down.
03:37 <+precise> FYI to remote workers, Vermont is offering a $10,000 grant for remote workers who move there.
03:38 <+precise> It's $5,000 per year and can be put towards select expenses like relocation, computer/networking equipment, Internet services, etc.
03:39 < technonerd> Or just hookers
03:39 < jay-ros> CheckYourSix - timezone changes were all good
03:39 <+precise> http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/31/pf/jobs/vermont-pay-remote-workers/index.html
03:39 <+layer-eight> * precise →  Vermont will pay people $10,000 to move there and work remotely
03:39 < jay-ros> confirmed from manager that SQL sorts itself out
03:39 <+precise> technonerd: You /really/ want to get a hooker from Vermont?
03:39 < jay-ros> our office is now actually running on time!
03:39 <+CheckYourSix> Vermont would be awesome. Snowboard all the time
03:40 <+precise> CheckYourSix: It is nice
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> jay-ros: Oh really? Interesting
03:40 <+precise> IDK what CoL is like there though
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> precise: Are you in VT?
03:40 <+precise> Nerp
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> Fairly cheap
03:40 <+precise> Just saw that article
03:40 <+CheckYourSix> But high property taxes I think
03:40 < catbeard> CoL increase, we'll give you +$3/hr more, you're gonna need it for gas
03:41 < jay-ros> CheckYourSix, yeah, it was a piece of cake once I went through and checked it. HLKLM/Soft/Pol/Mic/W32tm changes, and HKLM/Sys/CCS/Services/W32 changes, stop start services, leave it overnight to simmer
03:41 <+precise> Apparently their goal in Vermont is to attract more young people because their tax-base is aging considerably.
03:41 <+precise> That's a good way to do it IMO
03:41 <+CheckYourSix> "For 2019, total grants cannot exceed $125,000. The cap increases in 2020 to $250,000, then drops back down to $125,000 in 2021."
03:41 <+precise> CheckYourSix: Hurry up
03:41 <+precise> lol
03:41 <+CheckYourSix> So 25 people qualify in 2019, 50 people in 2020, and 25 more in 2021... that's laughable
03:41 <+precise> CheckYourSix: lol
03:42 <+precise> CheckYourSix: It may be a pilot program
03:42 < jay-ros> CheckYourSix, added a non-DC server to the same settings, then pointed all the DHCP scope rule to all of the dc controllers and the other server at the bottom. Make sure to put <NTP>,0x1 for primary NTP, and 0x2 for failover NTP
03:42 <+CheckYourSix> precise: Yeah
03:42 < jay-ros> ...then realised the branch offices had the same shitty configuration that the other one did
03:42  * precise moves to Vermont
03:42  * precise gets 10gbps to the home
03:43 <+precise> we
03:43 <+precise> weeee
03:43 <+CheckYourSix> There are quite a few places in VT you can get fiber. At least gigabit, but I'm pretty sure there are areas with 10 gig too
03:43 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GL9JoH4Sws
03:43 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Fifth Harmony - Work from Home ft. Ty Dolla $ign → ⚘ 1,855,723,507 ↑ 6,702,112 ↓ 488,515 ✍ 401,205 → * Content Restrictions
03:43 < xamithan> Sure,  but where can you get a job there
03:43 < Casteil> not a matter of "How many minutes to download Avatar 1080p?"  but "how many Avatar 1080p downloads per minute"
03:44 < jay-ros> You should move to Australia instead...
03:44 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: +++
03:44 <+CheckYourSix> xamithan: Work remote from home
03:44 <+precise> xamithan: The article specifically states that the job needs to be out of the state of Vermont
03:44 < Casteil> I want to ditch this Meraki MR18 and get a UAP-AC-PRO for my house
03:44 < Casteil> :|
03:44 < catbeard> precise: so they want you to live in VT but work outside of VT
03:44 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Do it. UAP-AC-PRO+++
03:44 < catbeard> wtf kind of shit is that
03:44 <+CheckYourSix> Or get the HD model
03:44 <@JollyRgrs> catbeard: smart boy
03:45 < xamithan> Need those taxes boi
03:45 <+CheckYourSix> catbeard: Taxes
03:45 < xamithan> I'd move to no income tax state if I worked remote
03:45 < xamithan> Why not?
03:45 < catbeard> how bout oh FL
03:45 < catbeard> no taxes at all
03:45 < Casteil> CheckYourSix: I don't need anything that crazy
03:45 <+CheckYourSix> Florida... too hot
03:45 < Casteil> this MR18 is only 802.11n though
03:45 < xamithan> I was thinking more like NH,  then you don't even need to wear a seatbelt
03:45 < genr8_> i have a friend in vermont and i need a job. maybe i can go there
03:45 <+CheckYourSix> Casteil: Get the Pro model then
03:46 <+CheckYourSix> xamithan: NH would be nice. I'd wear a seatbelt regardless. It's stupid to not wear one
03:46 < Casteil> average throughput from my server to my work XPS is only about 7MB/s ;|
03:47 < Casteil> that's pretty damn bad
03:47 < catbeard> 38MB/s
03:47 < Casteil> (I get just about a full gigabit from my server to my hardwired desktop)
03:47 < genr8_> from what im reading, this vermont thing can only be applicable to 25 people in 2019, 50 ppl in 2020 and 25 ppl in 2021
03:48 < genr8_> For 2019, total grants cannot exceed $125,000. The cap increases in 2020 to $250,000, then drops back down to $125,000 in 2021.
03:48 <+precise> genr8_: Yes
03:48 <+CheckYourSix> genr8_: Yes
03:48 <+precise> It's most likely a pilot grant program
03:48 <+precise> If it works out well, will be expanded, it could also gain private backers.
03:48 < genr8_> well shit thats not many at all. people are gonna be moving for some program and it will be closed
03:48 < genr8_> full*
03:49 <+precise> genr8_: You apply for the grant beforehand
03:49 <+precise> It'd work out well if you already had the remote gig, and then could show the grant board that, and then move to Vermont
03:49 < xamithan> Oh great my lymph node is swollen.  Anything I can do ?
03:49 < genr8_> yes
03:50 < genr8_> hot washcloths
03:50 <+precise> xamithan: Tell it to stop
03:50 < rpifan> wish i had aremote
03:50 < rpifan> job
03:50 <+precise> rpifan: It's not all that
03:51 <+precise> Separating work and home life is hard
03:51 < genr8_> i just wanna be able to remote in a couple times a month when i dont feel like going to work
03:51 < rpifan> it is
03:51 < genr8_> thats a fireable offense in most companies tho
03:51 < rpifan> there isnt much life for me lol
03:51 < rpifan> get the money
03:51 < rpifan> and quit
03:51 < rpifan> and do drugs
03:52 < genr8_> that doesnt work out
03:52 < genr8_> you either have to kill yourself at the end of the drugs or you're still alive and just worse off
03:52 < catbeard> i work under the influence of a lot of drugs
03:52 < xamithan> I'll try the hot washcloth,  kind of worried I'll be sick tomorrow
03:52 < genr8_> lucky
03:52 < catbeard> it helps keep my sanity
03:52 < catbeard> so i don't DDoS a customer
03:53 < genr8_> im sure it does
03:53 < catbeard> with their own GRE tunnel
03:53 < rpifan> hmm
03:53 < rpifan> catbeard, do  ureally
03:55 < catbeard> yarly
03:55  * catbeard rolls blunt
03:55 < Casteil> https://i.redd.it/a8dapwhgo6111.jpg
03:55 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 120,573 bytes
03:55 < catbeard> getting my donger cleaned while i'm doing it
03:56 < genr8_> sure
04:10 < MillerBoss> https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1002336532903022592
04:10 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Signal on Twitter: "The Signal service has recovered from an outage that was caused by data center power issues. We appreciate your patience as we worked towards resolution, and we'll continue to make additional improvements. Want to help? We are hirin...
04:19 < Nightcinder> why would you want to work at signal
04:20 < catbeard> so you can become a FVEY target
04:20 < catbeard> also tsk tsk at Australia (specifically Victoria)
04:20 < catbeard> https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/police-faked-258000-breath-tests-in-shocking-breach-of-trust/ar-AAy12Ea?ocid=spartanntp
04:20 <+layer-eight> * catbeard →  Police faked 258,000 breath tests in shocking 'breach of trust'
04:22 < Nightcinder> catbeard: and not get a paycheck
04:25 < MillerBoss> https://www.google.com/search?q=inurl%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Ftrello.com+AND+intext%3A%40outlook.com+AND+intext%3Apassword Change that domain to something else. So many still out there
04:25 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  inurl:https://trello.com AND intext:@outlook.com AND intext:password - Google Search
04:29  * precise twitches
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> sup precise
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you streaming?
04:30 <+precise> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8niby9/how_can_i_make_a_160gb_ms_access_database_faster/
04:30 <+layer-eight> * precise →  How can I make a 160GB MS Access database faster? : sysadmin
04:30  * precise twitches some more
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:30 < MillerBoss> Don't look at it AnonymooseReddtr. You will go blind
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> already read
04:30 < MillerBoss> Well his stream that is
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ah yes
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> well
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ya kn ow
04:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> so i got fibre installed at home yesterday
04:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> 300Mbps symmetrical
04:31 <+AnonymooseReddtr> i could have gotten gigabit..but for 2 people? why
04:31 < MillerBoss> Congratulations
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> yea its ... awesome
04:32 < MillerBoss> Why not? What was the cost different?
04:32 < MillerBoss> Difference*
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> uhm, $90 a month difference
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> roughly
04:32 < rpifan> 200000 percent
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:32 < MillerBoss> Well you could "host" some shit if you really wanted to
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> suppose i could
04:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> but really all i use it for is porn and games
04:33 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:33 < MillerBoss> That is too bad
04:39 < MillerBoss> Who is the provider AnonymooseReddtr?
04:39 <+AnonymooseReddtr> Bell Canada
04:39 < benjgvps> Bell has been super competitive with Eastlink in my city
04:39 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll 👉 Did you get denied or approved from FlightAware? I got denied.
04:40 < benjgvps> Gigabit for $79/month on a 1 year promo
04:40 < benjgvps> ($61 USD)
04:40 < MillerBoss> Wow
04:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> yea
04:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> my whole package was $120
04:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> with 2x pvr
04:43 < benjgvps> I *hate* Bell and dealing with Bell at work, so I'm using free 150M symmetrical fixed wireless from work. When I eventually buy a house, I'd probably go with Bell
04:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ...
04:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> who do you work for?
04:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> if it starts with an X and ends with a net.... fu
04:44 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:44 < benjgvps> AnonymooseReddtr: Oh god no
04:44 < benjgvps> Small regional provider, fixed wireless and wholesale dsl/cable
04:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ok
04:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol
04:45 <+AnonymooseReddtr> thats good
04:47 <@Nostalg14c> Morning.
04:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> my options are cogeco or bell
04:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ...well and some of the resellers
04:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> but Bell was in our area doing some promotions last week
04:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> this change is saving me almost $75 a month for 2 years
04:49 <+AnonymooseReddtr> so totally worth it
04:49 <+AnonymooseReddtr> anyway
04:49 <+AnonymooseReddtr> brb gonna go get a round or two of pubg in before bed
04:49 < benjgvps> Eastlink and Bell are battling it out, Bell was not even competing for a while since the DSL is so terrible in our city. Over the past few years they put FTTH everywhere
04:50 < catbeard> i'd like to report a murder
04:50 < catbeard> https://i.imgur.com/eDjaKCS.png
04:50 <+layer-eight> * catbeard →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 43,174 bytes
04:51 <+NinjaStyle> I don't get it
04:51 <+NinjaStyle> Oh layer-eight is back
04:52 <+NinjaStyle> s/b/w
04:52 <+layer-eight> [SED NinjaStyle] Oh layer-eight is wack
05:03 < Casteil> catbeard:  >.>
05:04 < Casteil> I mean I don't disagree, but witnessing circlejerks is just kinda sad
05:04 < catbeard> you didn't see the context of the thread, but sufficed to say, it's kind of a cesspool on fb
05:04 < Casteil> far, faaar too many kids are sold the idea that they can "be whatever they want to be" and that to succeed they have to go to college
05:05 < Casteil> I don't think there's near enough focus on degree viability where loans or grants are concerned
05:06 < Casteil> loans I'm not surprised in the slightest; student loan industry is one of the most disgusting, predatory industries in the US
05:06 < catbeard> like obv you're not gonna pay student loans back very quickly with a job in "doing stuff and things"
05:07 < catbeard> there are some really fucking entitled women around here, taking an Uber to Starbucks, to hop on their iPhone 8 to complain about Capitalism
05:08 <+NinjaStyle> Meh
05:08 < jay-ros> catbeard - are they hot?
05:08 < catbeard> no, they're not even hot
05:08 <+NinjaStyle> It's not just women
05:08 < catbeard> and not just to me, like asking other people, 10/10 agree not hot
05:08 <+NinjaStyle> Can we not make this channel a women hating circle jerk again
05:09 < catbeard> if they were hot that would be one thing, then everyone would listen and believe everything they say
05:09 < Casteil> 'fuck women, amirite?'
05:09 < catbeard> without question
05:09 < catbeard> it's stupid down here, fucking townies
05:09 < catbeard> and overpriced education racket abusing daddy's wallet
05:09 < jay-ros> catbeard - you can't blame a rock for being a rock. you can observe its rock-ness, note its rocky personality and rock-like structure, but no matter how hard you yell at it, a rock it will still be
05:10 < jay-ros> plus, if you WERE able to change that rock, it's right next to another rock, which will no doubt give you the same grief
05:10 < catbeard> it's like the rules of dating, #1 be attractive #2 don't be unattractive
05:10 < catbeard> little critters of nature, they don't know they're ugly
05:10 < Casteil> #3 if you are unattractive be rich
05:10 < jay-ros> hell no, I've got a head like a weathered stained paper bag, but I still did well dating
05:11 < jay-ros> I ain't rich eather
05:11 < jay-ros> wither*
05:11 < jay-ros> either - fuck, I've got a vietnamese pho in front of me taking my attention
05:11 < Casteil> I'm average all around
05:11 < Casteil> average height, average looks, average income.. ._.
05:11 < Casteil> well, slightly above average height in this country
05:11 < Casteil> (and most others..)
05:13 < catbeard> girls say they're modern, then they get mad when you split the bill and the date was THEIR idea
05:13 <+NinjaStyle> Jfc
05:13 < catbeard> if it was my idea, no prob paying, i'm not poor like them
05:14 <+NinjaStyle> You're making very sweeping generalizations
05:14 < jay-ros> catbeard - have you considered dating men?
05:14 < catbeard> based on experience
05:14 < catbeard> jay-ros: ya much cheaper
05:14 < jay-ros> I mean, it's a solution
05:16 < jay-ros> alternatively, you could look for different types of women than you're currently trying to court, or spend a year in dusseldorf and try to score yourself a girl to take home
05:16 < Casteil> honestly, the cries for equality almost always stop when there's no benefit for the crier
05:16 < catbeard> trying not to have women and court in the same sentence
05:17 < catbeard> my ex has a CDV against her previous ex, which i'm besties with now
05:17 < jay-ros> yeh, sounds like you're complaining about car reliability, and shopping for 1980s ex-taxi vehicles
05:17 < catbeard> she ratchet as fuck, 3 kids she has been ordered to stay away from as an unfit mother
05:17 < Casteil> anyway.. I kinda want to start dicking around with node.js
05:17 < catbeard> hilariously bad coke addiction
05:18 < Casteil> I've done a little but my exposure's been somewhat limited
05:18 < catbeard> from RANDOM PEOPLE
05:18 <+NinjaStyle> Addiction is always funny
05:18 < catbeard> not even from a person she trusts
05:18 < catbeard> just whoever has it, and probably also happens to have a 8 inch dick
05:18 < catbeard> she did all this from my WiFi not knowing it's full SSL MITM
05:18 < jay-ros> catbeard - are you just typing hoping someone cares at this point, or bringing it forward as a topic of discussion?
05:19 < catbeard> i really do want to know if it's just a thing
05:19 < catbeard> like do women do this because most likely/often they'll just get away with it
05:19 < jay-ros> it's not a thing. you're going for the wrong women, completely.
05:19 < catbeard> i know that know
05:19 < jay-ros> like, without question, it sounds like you're going for dirt-shit-crap women, and they're not the only ones that exist
05:19 <+NinjaStyle> We should really try to make general statements about entire genders. There are women in this channel and stuff like that is very alienating
05:20 < catbeard> few years ago, i was honest with myself and just wanted some head, i'll never do that again
05:20 <+NinjaStyle> Try not to*
05:20 < jay-ros> which leads me to the question - why are YOU going for those women, do you feel too insubstantial to find yourself someone with higher social value?
05:20 < jay-ros> (I'm not asking this aggressively, I swear)
05:21 < catbeard> jay-ros: mostly because social value has no meaning to me, i don't care how many followers you have
05:21 < jay-ros> catbeard - that's no what I'm talking about
05:21 < catbeard> oh why was i going for those women
05:21 < jay-ros> I don't have twitter or insta, and I use facebook for group chats
05:22 < catbeard> back then i was just playing the game
05:22 < catbeard> wasn't looking for anything serious
05:22 < jay-ros> NinjaStyle - i'm a big fan of women :)
05:22 < catbeard> are you a fan of big women?
05:22 < jay-ros> I belong to one myself
05:23 < jay-ros> (that's a joke)
05:23 < jay-ros> catbeard - not physically, no.
05:24 <+NinjaStyle> jay-ros: good
05:24 < catbeard> she treated me like a fucking meal ticket
05:25 < jay-ros> yeah, bad selection. Learn
05:25 < catbeard> playful at first to con me in to thinking she has feelings, then on the DL got pregnant by her ex and tried to hide it, been in and out of jail since
05:25 < catbeard> tru
05:26 < jay-ros> You should move to germany for a year!
05:26 < jay-ros> save up, working visa that shit
05:26 < catbeard> nein!
05:26 < jay-ros> or amsterdam (for work, not for play)
05:26 < catbeard> if anything, Bulgaria
05:26 < jay-ros> visit somewhere that there's not the same shit you're currently in. Get some worldly experience with new people
05:27 < jay-ros> nah, amsterdam and in places in germany english will get you around
05:28 < catbeard> it's confusing because i have several close friends that defy the entire meaning of monogamy, and they're liberal af, and they get mad whenever someone else gets cheated on, but they're perfectly okay with being "poly"
05:29 < jay-ros> yeah, catbeard, you're circling the same point
05:29 < catbeard> like how can you even get mad
05:29 < catbeard> my friend happens to be the poly one in her relationship
05:29 < jay-ros> I've kinda mentioned that you need to expose yourself to other peer groups for the reason that you've been indulgent in a singular group's opinion
05:30 < jay-ros> I'm not one for absorbing opinion unless it has a base for practicality, and I understand your opinion, but the source comes to me as a point of not having enough exposure to a varied peer group
05:31 < catbeard> nothing beyond my dunbar number
05:31 < jay-ros> not in an offensive position, but more in a 'I see it for what's it comes from' position
05:31 < jay-ros> also, bulgaria has a shit GDP and there's no use working there for 12 months, because you'll come back with less than you went there with
05:32 < jay-ros> you holiday in places like that, not go there for work.
05:32 < Thanos> people holiday in bulgaria?
05:33 < jay-ros> don't know, it's like 50km to macedonia from there
05:33 < catbeard> when you say varied
05:33 < catbeard> you mean a group composed of more than just angered harlots and mansplainers
05:34 < jay-ros> nope
05:34 < jay-ros> I mean a group composed of people who don't have reason to HAVE an opinion on angered harlots and mansplainers
05:34 < jay-ros> athough there's a caveat to the activity - wherever you go, there you are
05:34 < catbeard> so like talking to a Priest about the intricasies of HTML
05:34 < jay-ros> there's no reason to go somewhere and bring your baggage with you
05:34 < jay-ros> exactly.
05:35 < jay-ros> removing exposure and looking around for other things to think on
05:36 < catbeard> oh there's plenty else to discuss, it's probably just my narcissistic need to have an answer for things i can't explain, even though i know i won't like the answer, and will probably be slighted by my experience
05:36 < jay-ros> imagine someone from 8 mile turning up to a beach party in Nice, France
05:36 < jay-ros> they won't give a fuck about trials and tribulations of heavy nature, and won't want to hear about it.
05:36 < jay-ros> You just enjoy the environment for the difference it offers
05:37 < catbeard> so how is #reddit-sysadmin not a varied group in that regard
05:37 < jay-ros> because we're all nerds
05:37 < catbeard> granted, mostly male dominated industry, so possibly slight there
05:37 < catbeard> right but this isn't #interpersonal-relationship-techniques it's a channel of really smart people with lots of experience and trust issues
05:38 < catbeard> i value opinions here over just about anyone on FB
05:38 < jay-ros> so why the hell are you bringing that dirt over here where we don't care is the point I'm making
05:38 < jay-ros> once again, not offensively, more of a self-asking question
05:38 < catbeard> you just told me to ask a varied peer group
05:39 < jay-ros> I've given an opinion, varied to yours. I mean socially. This is a nerdy topic group. Talk nerdy to me
05:39 < catbeard> I'd joke you the UDP tell, but get it you not might.
05:41 < catbeard> also, we have a topic requirement here?
05:42 < jay-ros> no
05:42 < jay-ros> well, yes... system administration
05:43 < catbeard> people that would have no reason to have any experience with relationships..
05:43 < togenshi> kinda, in AUTZ, that topic goes out the door into another door to a dark room
05:43 < catbeard> :)
05:43 < jay-ros> I'm the politician in the office; a bastion for professional services
05:44 < catbeard> a bastion in the bedroom
05:44 < voidstar> weeee
05:45 < catbeard> i summarily despise people that say that things can't be done.  just because YOU can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done
05:45 < togenshi> pretty much but at the same time, just because you could doesn't mean you should
05:45 < catbeard> not couldn't, can't
05:45 < catbeard> like it should be possible, but someone else says it's not possible
05:45 < togenshi> that too
05:46 < togenshi> i argued that money could be destroyed but it was unfathomable to some people
05:46 < catbeard> just because YOU can't get it done, doesn't mean the rest of us are SOL, just don't get mad when you have to pay for it as a service
05:48 < catbeard> show of RST packets, who uses antivirus for IRC? X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*
05:48 < togenshi> ...
05:49 <+NinjaStyle> So what US cities compare to the major Australian cities in climate?
05:49 < catbeard> don't know AU city climates
05:49 <+NinjaStyle> Like Melbourne = bay area right?
05:49 < togenshi> florida to brisbane
05:50 < Thanos> isn't melbourne the one that's slated to be unliveable as the climate changes?
05:50 < togenshi> Melbourne is fine, its brisbane that will be under water
05:50 < Thanos> I'm pretty sure I read it was going to be too hot to actually live in.
05:50 < catbeard> does anyone else use RZM
05:51 < catbeard> https://rzm.iana.org/rzm/login
05:51 <+layer-eight> * catbeard →  Root Zone Management - Login
05:51 < jay-ros> togenshi - my nipples are still chaffing after my last visit to melbourne
05:51 < jay-ros> it's dry cold there. I'll stick to Sydney  ;)
05:51 < Casteil> I think brisbane is closer to socal than FL..
05:51 < Casteil> less moisture
05:51 < Casteil> and less consistency
05:51 < togenshi> brisbane can have humidity during summer
05:52 < Thanos> yeah here it is   http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-06/50-degree-days-what-would-sydney-and-melbourne-look-like/9024914
05:52 <+layer-eight> * Thanos →  Dehydration, death and power cuts: What 50C days would look like in Australia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
05:52 <+NinjaStyle> Sounds nice there actually
05:52 < Thanos> 50c is 122F
05:52 <+NinjaStyle> I mean Melbourne
05:52 < Thanos> who knows what the heat index will be. it'll be an oven.
05:52 < togenshi> meh, some australian towns already get close to that
05:54 < jay-ros> Only when I'm there ;)
05:55 < xe0n> friyay
05:55 < xe0n> beers at 5?
05:55 < jay-ros> xe0n - what uuuuuup
05:55 < xe0n> 4*
05:55 < xe0n> cool
05:55 < jay-ros> hell yes. I'll be on the balcony at 4.45
05:55 < togenshi> http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/201801/html/IDCJDW6079.201801.shtml max is 45.3C this year
05:55 <+layer-eight> * togenshi →  Marble Bar, WA - January 2018 - Daily Weather Observations
05:58 < togenshi> NinjaStyle: most AU cities are in summer 14C Min, 34C (usually) Max and winter is 4C (min) to 23C (max). Most of the time its sunny
06:00 < xe0n> we're in winter lol
06:00 < xe0n> june 1st
06:03 < xe0n> i just had a storage shelf collapse, and it snapped a docking station in half
06:03 < xe0n> loll
06:03 < xe0n> nice
06:04 < jay-ros> xe0n - I've migrated a mailbox database onto another active host, didn't realise it had a nic issue, and a bunch of users had no emails for a drip
06:05 < jay-ros> luckily i've fixed the mailbox servers here so much before we rebuilt them from scratch, that I was able to identify the issue in half a drip, and have them all back up and running again before anyone called me anything salty
06:06 < hug> I am so glad I don'tr have to deal with Exchange servers anymore.
06:06 < hug> Except to destroy them.
06:06 < xe0n> i love a good dag
06:06 < xe0n> i haven't built one in forever though lol
06:06 < jay-ros> hug - I'm actually a fan of our shiny mailbox servers now!
06:06 < xe0n> only on-prem boxes i do these days are for hybrid
06:06 < jay-ros> they're all slick and fast running and no issues except this one!
06:07 < xe0n> hybrid exchange is <3
06:07 < jay-ros> I'm currently doing firmware upgrades on my cisco UCS data center cluster, I've rebuilt citrix and people are telling me it's amazingly fast now
06:07 < hug> jay-ros: All of the mailboxes I manage -- a few thousand in total -- are on Exchange Online.
06:08 < hug> NinjaStyle: Re: Cities, apparently Melbourne is most directly equivalent to Portland.
06:08 < xe0n> i dont miss melb
06:09 < xe0n> jay-ros: how many servers in your citrix farm?
06:09 < jay-ros> at the moment? Six, but realistically two and two
06:10 < jay-ros> well... seven, but one of those is an asshole and is turned off
06:10 < xe0n> yeah, our current 6.5 is 60, prob looking the same for new one as well
06:10 < jay-ros> two VDAs, two DCs (they're new), one VDA/DC server which has the CALs (I haven't moved the role off it yet), one which is the app server (profiles)
06:11 < jay-ros> and I've got MYOB so I hate my fucking existance from a citrix perspective now
06:11 < jay-ros> ...it doesn't like 64 bit office, so I've had to hold off migrating MYOB to the new servers
06:11 < xe0n> 64bit office? lol
06:11 < xe0n> take it you dont run add-ins
06:11 < jay-ros> nope
06:12 < xe0n> ditto
06:12 < jay-ros> no on citrix, it's clean.
06:12 < jay-ros> multiple businesses. Might need to downgrade to 32 bit because I'm trialling sharefile, and it's looking amazing
06:12 < xe0n> yep
06:13 < jay-ros> I fired up an instance of sharefile to trial and thought "this is where the problem is solved"
06:13 < jay-ros> ^_^ I keep forgetting Cisco UCS host upgrade is linux based... PENGUINS!
06:15 <@JollyRgrs> wOMG
06:15 <@JollyRgrs> i have 135 episodes of Mr. Ed thanks to OTA DVR on plex
06:15 <@JollyRgrs> hahaha
06:15 <@JollyRgrs> 50 of ALF and 84 of 1960s batman
06:17 < xe0n> 84 is the series, i got the blurays
06:17 < xe0n> ummm
06:17 <@JollyRgrs> nice
06:18 <@JollyRgrs> i got them with commercials included :/
06:18 < xe0n> jay-ros: why did you jinx me? just got a email from someone using excel 32bit and the old out of memory msg
06:18 <@JollyRgrs> i guess i can cancel the recording then if 84 is all of them
06:18 < xe0n> f u!!
06:18 < togenshi> xe0n: lol, tell them that excel is not a database
06:19 < jay-ros> xe0n - tell them to clean up their fucking spreadsheets
06:20 < jay-ros> stop calculating zero values
06:20 < xe0n> lolll
06:20 < jay-ros> and single reference points to multiple linked calculations
06:20 < jay-ros> ...or tell them to log into citrix, and let the server handle the spreadsheet
06:20 < jay-ros> also, sorry :(
06:20 < jay-ros> tell them I said to "calm down"
06:21 < xe0n> lol our farm is screaming for resources, that wont be any good
06:21 < jay-ros> I have too many resources here... it's a joke
06:22 < jay-ros> why do I need 60Tb of LUNs on both ends?
06:22 < jay-ros> why do I have 30tb of NAS on both sides for backup?
06:22 < jay-ros> Who's running this joint?!
06:22 < xe0n> disk space isn't the issue lol
06:23 < jay-ros> get three of these
06:23 < jay-ros> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/servers-unified-computing/ucs-c220-m4-rack-server/index.html
06:23 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Cisco UCS C220 M4 Rack Server - Cisco
06:23 < jay-ros> and one of these
06:23 < jay-ros> https://www.purestorage.com/products/flash-array-m.html
06:23 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  All-Flash Array, Flash Data Storage Arrays - FlashArray | Pure Storage
06:23 < xe0n> i have plenty of resources to give it, im just not lol
06:23 < jay-ros> a couple of these
06:23 < jay-ros> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/switches/nexus-7000-series-switches/index.html
06:23 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Cisco Nexus 7000 Series Switches - Cisco
06:23 < xe0n> i'm moving users off citrix lol
06:24 < jay-ros> why? it's not bad when it works
06:24 < xe0n> our remote sites except one can use it
06:24 < xe0n> but HO and office down in bris can use standard pcs
06:24 < jay-ros> ah, look at Telstra's MPLS network <3
06:24 < jay-ros> even nicer!
06:24 < xe0n> we have TPG MPLS lol
06:25 < xe0n> links are fine.
06:25 < jay-ros> nice
06:25 < xe0n> the farm is just shwoing its age, thats all
06:25 < xe0n> which is why we'll rebuild it once i get the time
06:25 < jay-ros> toss 7.15 LTSR at some new kit
06:25 < xe0n> i have other projects that take priority
06:25 < xe0n> yep thats the plan
06:25 < jay-ros> It took me a day and a half to get 7.15 running
06:26 < xe0n> yeah will take me a bit longer lol, but whaevs
06:26 < jay-ros> I set up a new delivery group, new AD group, fired it all up and got it running
06:26 < xe0n> yeah stock standard <thumbs up>
06:26 < jay-ros> happy to run you through the steps if you launch up some VMs (i'm sure you can do it yourself)
06:27 < xe0n> cheers dude, but all good here :)
06:27 < jay-ros> throw a dozen users on it, leave it simmering for a while, then flick everyone over when you're ready
06:27 < xe0n> 24/7 business, so bit more planning involved :)
06:27 < jay-ros> I'm super pumped today, i've knocked a butt tonne off my list this week
06:27 < xe0n> 60 odd offices lol
06:27 < jay-ros> nah, you're fine, just make sure not to bump into everyone while you're working on it
06:28 < jay-ros> I've only got about 19
06:28 < jay-ros> but mixed businesses, all running on my infra
06:28 < xe0n> "my"
06:28 < xe0n> lol
06:28 < jay-ros> I was promoted from 'system business engineer' to 'senior systems engineer' last week
06:28 < jay-ros> it's mine now ;)
06:29 <+NinjaStyle> hug: I wanna check out Portland
06:30 < jay-ros> xe0n - I'm picturing the irish guy from braveheart "yah, it's mine!"
06:33 < xe0n> its your companies lol...
06:33 < xe0n> but whatevs
06:33 < xe0n> nice one :) i'll have a beer for you tonight
06:33 < vader-> i have a damn video interview tomorrow
06:34 < jay-ros> vader-, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bomkgXeDkE
06:34 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  YouTube → 80s Video Dating Montage → ⚘ 4,862,815 ↑ 42,032 ↓ 415 ✍ 9,211
06:34 < jay-ros> dammit layer-eight, you ruined the surprise!
06:36 <+NinjaStyle> vader-: fun
06:36 <+NinjaStyle> Not
06:36 < vader-> 3rd interview with the company
06:37 < jay-ros> good luck vader- !
06:37 < vader-> i don't even know the salary range yet
06:37 <+NinjaStyle> Well good luck
06:37 < vader-> ya
06:37 < vader-> thank you
06:39 <+NinjaStyle> vader-: what's the job
06:40 < Casteil> NinjaStyle: do you ever sleep bro?
06:40 <+NinjaStyle> No
06:48 < xe0n> wear a shirt in the interview
06:54 < togenshi> my company has to pay $240 to update a flexlm license file...
06:54 < togenshi> who the fuck charges to update a license file?
06:56 < xe0n> the vendor?
06:56 < togenshi> Siemens Teamcenter
06:58 < xe0n> oh well, what's the big deal? $240 to a business is nothing
06:58 < jay-ros> I fucking love fiyays in our office
06:58 < jay-ros> 2pm onwards we start getting aggressive towards each other and laughing
06:59 <+NinjaStyle> I just dropped 350 on a license because I didn't wanna ask my boss for the installer
07:00 <+NinjaStyle> So uh
07:00 <+NinjaStyle> I'm autistic
07:00 < xe0n> jay-ros: one of the other admins is leaving in a few weeks, so we're paying him out quite a bit :P
07:00 < xe0n> i've already stolen his white board
07:00 < jay-ros> nice
07:01 < jay-ros> We've got a new guy here
07:01 < jay-ros> he said to me "I told my wife the guys at work call me 'New Guy' or 'DJ Downtime', she said I must be fitting in"
07:01 < xe0n> loll
07:01 < jay-ros> He's a DJ on the weekends, and I found his myspace page
07:02 <+NinjaStyle> Lol
07:02 < xe0n> is he a good dj?
07:02 < xe0n> i used to be a dj lol
07:02 < xe0n> dont miss it.
07:02 < jay-ros> ...he also knocked out some networking equipment when he bumped a power lead for a PDU when he was connecting up our new UPS
07:02 < xe0n> loll
07:02 < jay-ros> so, DJ Downtime is his name
07:02 < xe0n> nice one
07:03 < xe0n> i call our guys "shapes"
07:03 <+NinjaStyle> Good DJ name
07:03 < jay-ros> I was a DJ for a year and a half at uni, and then for a year after work in town
07:03 < togenshi> xe0n: its the fucking paperwork thats annoying
07:03 < xe0n> it comes from when i asked him what his favourite chips where, he said shapes
07:03 < xe0n> im like shapes? they're biscuits...
07:04 < togenshi> and since its a out-of-budget expense, does the project pay for it or does the overhead pay for it
07:04 < jay-ros> togenshi, you speak to the financial controller and ask
07:04 < jay-ros> come to the manager (if you have one) with a solution
07:05 < jay-ros> sounds like an unforseen on generic IT budget
07:05 < jay-ros> ...easy enough to tuck in somewhere generic
07:05 < togenshi> what I am saying is that every other company allows me to update the license file over the web
07:05 < togenshi> s/company/vendor
07:05 <+layer-eight> [SED togenshi] what I am saying is that every other vendor allows me to update the license file over the web
07:05 < jay-ros> ah righto
07:05 < xe0n> i'm trying to teach the helpdesk team that jay-ros
07:05 < xe0n> they're afraid of asking to buy things
07:06 < xe0n> "users pc is buggered, can we replace it with <junk>"
07:06 < xe0n> ummm just order a new pc
07:06 < jay-ros> haha new guy is under a different budget, from one of the child companies
07:06 < jay-ros> I had a quiet chat with the financial controller about what ratio so I could do my delegation effectively
07:06 < jay-ros> boss doesn't know, but he wouldn't care if I did
07:06 < xe0n> i've ordered 9 new laptops this week, just msg the manager "user's pc is borked, we dnt have any decent ones, we need a new one, here's a PO for your dept's budget, pls sign, thx"
07:07 < togenshi> xe0n: some companies I have worked with had $0 budgets and getting new PCs was an absolute nightmare.
07:07 < xe0n> togenshi: yeah i know, i've been there
07:07 < xe0n> it was like that at this place before i started last sep
07:08 <+NinjaStyle> That's why I work for mid size or bigger
07:08 < xe0n> but i've kinda talked some sense into them...i think? i dunno
07:08 < xe0n> either way, hasn't been a struggle since.
07:08 < xe0n> meh
07:08 < togenshi> i work for an 80 person division of a F500 company. Best of both worlds
07:08 < xe0n> ncie
07:09 < togenshi> just ticked off that I have to do paperwork to update a license file =
07:10 <+NinjaStyle> F500 is based on revenue right?
07:11 < togenshi> yeah
07:11 < genr8_> publically available revenue
07:12 < genr8_> gross
07:12 <+NinjaStyle> Damn 4.8 billion is the threshold
07:12 < javi404> anyone using EFS in US-WEST-2?
07:12 < javi404> any lingering issues?
07:22 <+NinjaStyle> Unno
07:30 < enix> So um
07:30 < enix> I have a headless server and I'm configured IceS to play music
07:31 < enix> I don't want to use a playlist just yet, I'd rather have a virtual audio cable
07:31 < enix> Anyone done this before? I'm getting a lot of nooby stuff come up
07:31 < enix> s/up/up in my google searches
07:31 <+layer-eight> [SED enix] Anyone done this before? I'm getting a lot of nooby stuff come up in my google searches
07:32 < jay-ros> enix - if I sent you some music to trial?
07:32 < enix> pardon?
07:32 < enix> why would you want to send me music :P
07:32 < jay-ros> 'to play music'
07:32 < jay-ros> set up a playlist to test with, then replace it?
07:32 < enix> Might be the right idea tbh
07:33 < enix> I thought ALSA might be able to do it
07:33 < jay-ros> I'll grab the link
07:34 < jay-ros> https://soundcloud.com/lakeyinspired
07:34 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  LAKEY INSPIRED | Free Listening on SoundCloud
07:34 < jay-ros> there ya go
07:35 < jay-ros> all public domain, so do what you will with it :)
07:35 < jay-ros> also grab tuneblade and hifi cable apparently
07:36 < jay-ros> https://volumio.org/
07:36 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  • Audiophile Music Player | DAP | Volumio
07:37 < enix> whats volumio
07:37 < jay-ros> open source audio streamer
07:38 < enix> Nah trying to get icecast going but thanks
07:38 < jay-ros> fair enough :)
07:38 < enix> This will eventually be ported to a more commercial setup as apart of a personal project
07:38 < enix> And *fingers crossed* all run from a network of raspberry pis
07:38 < jay-ros> gotcha. I've been looking to set up a raspberry pi for the melbourne office to play hold music
07:39 < jay-ros> thus the on-hand links for open domain groovy hold music (seriously, take a listen) and media streaming apps
07:39 < enix> if you play out to an actual speaker (or audio hat of some description) I imagine it's not too hard
07:39 < enix> But I want to be able to "send" audio, not have ices auto pickup
07:39 < jay-ros> I'm playing into a 1990s phone system
07:39 < jay-ros> ah gotcha
07:39 < enix> But I'd rathe rkeep the stream up if nothings sent to it
07:39  * enix 's head explodes
07:40 < jay-ros> https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/
07:40 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  VB-Audio Virtual Apps
07:42 < jay-ros> has anyone finished their work for the day?
07:42 < enix> I never started :)
07:42 < enix> Does that count
07:42 < jay-ros> https://pyx-3.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=12
07:42 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Pretend You're Xyzzy
07:42 < jay-ros> password is reddit
07:43 < enix> itsa me
07:43 < jay-ros> hey xe0n
07:43 < jay-ros> https://pyx-3.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=12
07:43 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Pretend You're Xyzzy
07:43 < jay-ros> get involved
07:44 < enix> precise: you asshole lickin' wannabe bogan get your flamin penis-touching butholl in here
07:44 < enix> I played CAG with muslim chicks once
07:44 < jay-ros> s/butholl/butthole
07:44 <+layer-eight> [SED jay-ros/enix] precise: you asshole lickin' wannabe bogan get your flamin penis-touching butthole in here
07:45 < enix> They were quite conservative. I find I always lose when I verse people who are super conservativ
07:45 < jay-ros> haha I am a lot of things...
07:45 < enix> but i also feel that "kevin spacey" is the answer to ALL cards
07:47 < jay-ros> oh yes
07:47 < jay-ros> NinjaStyle - you around/
07:48 <+NinjaStyle> y
07:48 <+NinjaStyle> e
07:48 < jay-ros> o
07:48 < jay-ros> k
07:48 < jay-ros>  https://pyx-3.pretendyoure.xyz/zy/game.jsp#game=12
07:48 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Pretend You're Xyzzy
07:48 < jay-ros> do it!
07:49 <+NinjaStyle> heh
07:49 <+NinjaStyle> im trying to find a 4-5 char domain
07:49 < enix> gl
07:49 < enix> NinjaStyle: get on it
07:51 < jay-ros> NinjaStyle, spaz.pro is available.
07:51 < jay-ros> now jump on
07:51 <+NinjaStyle> too long
07:51 < jay-ros> spaz.es?
07:52 <+NinjaStyle> i got hak.gg
07:52 < jay-ros> holy fuck.
07:52 < jay-ros> In.Pub is available
07:52 < jay-ros> although it's expensive
07:53 < jay-ros> bra.photography is also available
07:53 <+NinjaStyle> lol
07:53 < jay-ros> nice.site is expensive
07:54 < enix> how much
07:54 < jay-ros> haahaha holy fuck
07:54 < enix> ?
07:54 <+NinjaStyle> im happy with hak.gg
07:54 < jay-ros> this.golf is available for 6 bucks
07:54  * enix registers it first
07:54 < jay-ros> you could buy it, and host a photo of a volkswagen golf
07:54 < enix> NinjaStyle: that'll be 500 dollary doos please
07:54 < enix> why..
07:54 <+NinjaStyle> only like 60
07:54 < enix> trust me, as someone who has done this a lot
07:55 <+NinjaStyle> i bought it already
07:55 < enix> I dont recommend doing that lmfao because you end up with things like "automaticatmmachine.com" as a joke then renewal comes around and you think ".... why"
07:55 <+NinjaStyle> i have malware.delivery
07:55 <+NinjaStyle> likelymalware.com
07:55 < enix> $3,500 far otu
07:55 <+NinjaStyle> ninja.style
07:55 < jay-ros> jay-ros.com is taken
07:55 < enix> I have style.ninja
07:55 < jay-ros> (by me)
07:55 < enix> I host pictures of named back men fucking white men
07:56 < jay-ros> ninjaonline.com.au
07:56 < enix> Actually I think I still have squareenix.org
07:56 < enix> yeah I do
07:56 < enix> Which reminds me; my mate registered all of circleenix.* when he was like 14 lol
07:56 < javi404> FUCK YOU EFS!
07:56 < enix> Hence my IRC name
07:56 < jay-ros> hey enix - lyftonline.com.au is available
07:57 < enix> i dont get it
07:57 < enix> I think virtual audio cable might be the way to go on linux though
07:58 < jay-ros> lyft are like uber
07:58 <+NinjaStyle> lyft is way better than uber
07:58 < jay-ros> ^
08:01 < jay-ros> enix, I  jumped off
08:01 < jay-ros> enix.pro
08:01 < jay-ros> Sorry, butterpump.com is taken
08:02 < jay-ros> fuck knows why I looked that up
08:02 < jay-ros> plump.company is on special, only $2.64
08:05 < enix> I got <companyname>.ninja when I started because I had high expectations for my career
08:05 < enix> Let the cunt lapse because fuck this place
08:08 < vader-> damn time is flying for some reason...
08:08 < vader-> looked up it was midnight, then looked up again and it was 1:30, then looked up again and it was 2:10 basically
08:13 < jay-ros> vader - fix your timezone, it's 4.13pm mate
08:14 <+NinjaStyle> yeah vader
08:15 < xe0n> i'll be here till 7 going at this rate
08:15 < xe0n> another 11 hr day
08:15 < xe0n> 55 hrs this week :\
08:15 <+NinjaStyle> shit bitch]
08:15 <+NinjaStyle> why?
08:15 < xe0n> way to many things going on lol
08:16 < xe0n> i had to give up a week of my time last week to help with a problem
08:16 < xe0n> soo im a week behind
08:16 <+NinjaStyle> why is my dns taking so long
08:16 < xe0n> i dont mind, i've got a beer, and the noisy people have left, so i'll get in the zone and smash out a few things
08:16 < xe0n> oh dont remind me about dns
08:16 < xe0n> i need to fix scavenging on ours
08:16 < genr8_> its always DNS
08:17 < xe0n> someone pre me did some silly settings
08:17 <+NinjaStyle> i want hak.gg to work
08:20 < catbeard> hosts file
08:20 <+ihre> hak.gg has address 162.255.119.21
08:21 <+ihre> clear your cache :^)
08:23 < jay-ros> ha! My boss just saw my cat
08:23 < jay-ros> chat*
08:23 <+NinjaStyle> ihre: its working now
08:23 < jay-ros> "what's that chat thing you've got there"
08:23 <+NinjaStyle> :D
08:23 < agent_white> jay-ros: BBS 2.0
08:24 < jay-ros> "a couple of guys from melbourne, a couple from brisbane, all sysadmins. it's a 'how the fuck do I fix this" group
08:24 < jay-ros> him "ah, ok"
08:25 <+NinjaStyle> jay-ros: and like 500 bots
08:25 < jay-ros> yeah, didn't mention that
08:25 < jay-ros> ...or the guys from the US
08:25 <+NinjaStyle> lol
08:25 < jay-ros> "And this is hunterkll..."
08:25 <+NinjaStyle> lol
08:25 < jay-ros> "and cryptic1. he never knows what he's walked into"
08:26 < jay-ros> you checkin me out irhe?
08:26 <+ihre> yup
08:26 < jay-ros> what for?
08:26 < jay-ros> it's kinda creepy o.O
08:26 <+ihre> because i was wondering which client you run
08:26 < jay-ros> ah hexchat
08:26 <+ihre> how is it different than a whois ? :P
08:27 < jay-ros> what, fingering me?
08:27 < jay-ros> it's kinda personal isn't it?
08:27 < xe0n> i miss bbs
08:27 <+ihre> sextircing?
08:27 < xe0n> it had much more of a community feel
08:27 < jay-ros> ihre - that's the carmen electra exercise videos
08:28 < Hunterkll> xe0n, check out my new site https://www.hugebuttholes.com
08:28 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
08:28 < xe0n> nsfw lol
08:28 <+ihre> xe0n: it helps when there are about 7 users on a bbs :3
08:28 < jay-ros> what an entrance
08:28 < Hunterkll> xe0n, SFW actually
08:28 < xe0n> ihre: lol yeah
08:28 < jay-ros> it's just a butthole surfers fan page I bet
08:28 < Hunterkll> nope
08:28 <+ihre> wall of butthole fame
08:28 < jay-ros> damn. what's gone wrong with the world?
08:28 < Hunterkll> it's a showcase of huge buttholes
08:29 < Hunterkll> :D
08:29 < xe0n> stretched
08:29 < jay-ros> hahahahaha
08:29 < Hunterkll> butthole security is tight
08:29 < Hunterkll> you'll notice it's https enabled
08:29 < Hunterkll> only the tightest butthole secuirty for this channel
08:29 < xe0n> a chick sent me a picture of her buttplug the other day
08:29 < xe0n> ...in her
08:29 < xe0n> lol
08:29 < Hunterkll> hm
08:29 <+ihre> Hunterkll: have you had your butthole audited already?
08:29 < jay-ros> Hunterkll, especially after the last 'incident'... too many interlopers
08:29 < Hunterkll> i should add xe0n to the site
08:29 < Hunterkll> where's my html editor
08:30 <+ihre> *opens WordPerfect*
08:30 < jay-ros> just use word, you can export to a html
08:30 < jay-ros> bam.
08:30 < xe0n> *opens clarisworks*
08:30 < jay-ros> *exports lotusnotes documen*
08:30 < xe0n> nooo, i use star on openvms
08:30 < xe0n> lol
08:31 < Hunterkll> xe0n, there, you are now added to https://www.hugebuttholes.com
08:31 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
08:31 < Hunterkll> :o
08:31 < jay-ros> hey guys, serious question
08:31 <+NinjaStyle> hey
08:31 < jay-ros> is there a way to go through each driver in device manager
08:31 <+NinjaStyle> srs answer
08:31 < jay-ros> and check a directory for updates?
08:31 < Hunterkll> no
08:32 < togenshi> my god geocities called and want their website back
08:32 < Hunterkll> not really
08:32 < jay-ros> because fuck going through 32 cores per cluster node and checking each for updated drivers
08:32 <+ihre> jay-ros: sounds like a task for a pfy
08:32 < jay-ros>  oh fuck
08:32 < jay-ros> I have one of them!
08:32 < xe0n> jay-ros: ps script, pipe out to csv, excel compare
08:32 < xe0n> loll
08:32 < xe0n> there's your friday night gone
08:32 < xe0n> lol
08:32 < Hunterkll> togenshi, i'm limiting myself to technology found in 1999 too
08:33 < xe0n> Hunterkll: i'll have to go through the "im in trouble" folder and upload all the butt plug pics i have of chicks who've sent me photos without their bfs consent :D
08:33 < Hunterkll> togenshi, i have this book and i'm not using anything that's not in the book - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078971759X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
08:33 < Hunterkll> lol
08:33 <+ihre> Hunterkll: set up napster
08:33 < catbeard> jay-ros: probably with ps ya and maybe ps remoting and wmic (sp?)
08:33 < Hunterkll> i  am going to go full millenial though
08:34 < xe0n> make sure you have a java clock on there
08:34 <+ihre> kazaa?
08:34 < togenshi> gnutella network
08:34 < Hunterkll> i ordered the sequel - https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Using-XHTML-XML-Java/dp/0789724731/ref=dp_ob_title_bk - it apparently covers CGI with perl, and ASP
08:34 < Hunterkll> and PHP
08:34 < catbeard> most drivers are .inf files ya, probably find a windows tool to interface with that, Hunterkll might know
08:34 < enix> Hunterkll: have you ever used icecast on a headless server
08:34 < xe0n> and a 3d animation of homer simpson
08:34 < Hunterkll> so i might get a good guestbook
08:34 < Hunterkll> lol
08:34 < Hunterkll> enix, ? Isn't that how you're supposed to use it?
08:34 <+ihre> ^
08:34 < catbeard> Hunterkll: windows native tool for enumerating devices/installing drivers from source folder?
08:35 < Hunterkll> catbeard, i already said hes fucked
08:35 < enix> Hunterkll: yeah but getting audio to it i'm finding hard
08:35 < enix> brb
08:35 < catbeard> ah
08:35 < catbeard> didn't read up
08:35 < Hunterkll> -_-
08:35 < catbeard> :)
08:35 < xe0n> you can do it in pdq inventory
08:35 < catbeard> i was watching NCIS
08:35 < catbeard> oo pdq
08:35 < Hunterkll> lol....
08:35 < catbeard> i like pdq
08:35 < xe0n> write a report that uses that info
08:35 < catbeard> also freshservice discovery agent is ... interesting
08:35 < Hunterkll> catbeard, in theory he should havea ll servesr on the same software stack and just be able to deploy updates to all of them
08:35 < xe0n> but yeah it can be done
08:35 < Hunterkll> but he's horrible
08:35 < Hunterkll> lol
08:36 < catbeard> Hunterkll: like a slipstreamed pre-configured ISO for predefined hardware
08:36 < catbeard> or PXE
08:36 < Hunterkll> no
08:36 < xe0n> pxe dust
08:36 < catbeard> <3 pxe
08:36 < Hunterkll> like a 'deploy windows, deploy any missing drivers which is probably only like 1'
08:36 < Hunterkll> 'then fucking forget about it until something breaks'
08:36 <+ihre> "A month later, rapper and producer Dr. Dre, who shared a litigator and legal firm with Metallica, filed a similar lawsuit after Napster refused his written request to remove his works from its service" boo
08:36 < catbeard> so helpful for rebooting into servers you don't have access to to run diagnostics on things that would otherwise cost $150/hr for remote hands to do
08:38 < xe0n> jay-ros: https://pasteboard.co/HnQ2omr.png
08:38 <+layer-eight> * xe0n →  Pasteboard — Uploaded Image
08:38 < catbeard> memtest86, kaspersky rescue dvd, clonezilla
08:38 < jay-ros> xe0n - Get-ChildItem "C:\mydrivers\" -Recurse -Filter "*.inf" | ForEach-Object { PNPUtil.exe -i -a $_.FullName}
08:38 < catbeard> alienvault, pfsense
08:38 < catbeard> jay-ros++
08:38 < xe0n> sweet
08:38 < catbeard> nice!
08:38 < xe0n> many ways to skin a cat
08:39 < catbeard> that's like power fucking the cat with a sniper rifle
08:39 < jay-ros> it'll install all of the compatible drivers from the DVD, but that's fine
08:39 < catbeard> and for me to say that
08:39 < jay-ros> it'll use the correct ones
08:39 < xe0n> maybe i misunderstood what you were trying to do
08:39 < jay-ros> I've got a 'all in one' installation disk for the drivers
08:39 < xe0n> thought you were doing an inventory, but i guess you're just going to run that across your fleet and go drink some beer
08:39 < jay-ros> yeah, it'll overdo it, but it'll work
08:40 < jay-ros> the drivers will say "what's my best driver to use?" and the others will sit there as additional crap
08:40 < jay-ros> cisco driver package is a nightmare
08:40 < xe0n> i understand
08:40 < Hunterkll> why am i so hard
08:40 < Hunterkll> why is my pp hard
08:40 < xe0n> you need to piss?
08:40 < xe0n> or your own website is getting you going lol
08:41 < jay-ros> xe0n - https://pasteboard.co/HnQ3CGs.png
08:41 <+layer-eight> * jay-ros →  Pasteboard — Uploaded Image
08:41 < xe0n> ?
08:41 < jay-ros> right click, detect driver
08:41 < jay-ros> fuck that
08:42 < xe0n> right click, drink beer
08:43 < xe0n> i hope i get some weed this weekend
08:43 < xe0n> im hanging
08:43 < xe0n> parents gone now, soo back to reality, and i have no fucking weed
08:43 < xe0n> blah!
08:43 < jay-ros> yeah nearly done
08:44 < xe0n> fuck i wanna get high badddddddd
08:45 < javi404> xe0n: take a xanax
08:45 < javi404> calm down
08:46 < Casteil> damn
08:47 < Casteil> that pasteboard.co site is .. I think I just got a boner from that design
08:47 < xe0n> lol!
08:47 < xe0n> is it the purple?
08:47 < Casteil> purple?
08:47 < xe0n> the background
08:47 < Casteil> it's like slate grey
08:47 < xe0n> loll
08:49 < jay-ros> I'm out, called team meeting, have a good weekend!
08:50 < enix> wtf is wrong with you Casteil
08:50 < enix> It looks like it was designed on that mac wsiwyg app
08:50 < enix> https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/8npojp/virtual_audio_cable_on_headless_server/
08:50 <+layer-eight> * enix →  Virtual audio cable on headless server : linuxquestions
08:50 < enix> any halp guys?
08:50 < Casteil> enix: help?
08:51 < Casteil> go fuck yourself!
08:51 < xe0n> i'll hopefully move across to my new laptop next week. I've only ahd it sitting on my desk for like 3 months
08:51 < enix> GO MASTERBATE TO A FUCKING MAC
08:51  * Casteil bludgeons enix to death with a mac pro
08:51 < xe0n> oooooo classic mac *fapp*
08:51 < enix> legit though i'm fucking STRUGGLING
08:51 < enix> I'm SOOOO CLOSE
08:51 < enix> So fucking close
08:51 < Casteil> 'ain't that a bitch'
08:51 < xe0n> that's what she said
08:51 < enix> I can't get this stream to stay permanently open
09:04 < xe0n> tried soda stream?
09:14 <+ihre> i've considered getting one of those
09:30 < rum_fiend> o/
09:31 <+ihre> first few words of every remote conference: "hello, can you hear me?"
09:31 <+ihre> rum_fiend: why is the rum gone?
09:33 < Hunterkll> Casteil, have you seen my new site? https://hugebuttholes.com/
09:33 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
09:33 <+ihre> layer-eight: stfu
09:33 < Hunterkll> yea
09:34 < Hunterkll> it ruins my title tag
09:34 < Hunterkll> :'(
09:34 < Hunterkll> no one noticed that title before
09:34 < Hunterkll> it was like an easter egg
09:34 < Hunterkll> then LAYER FUCKING EIGHT CAME IN HERE AND FUCKED SHIT UP
09:34 < Hunterkll> GODDAMN JEW
09:34 < rum_fiend> ihre: it was really good, you should try Zacapa 10 y/o
09:36 <+ihre> Hunterkll: im missing comments in your index.html
09:37 <+ihre> 'easter eggs'
09:37 < Hunterkll> the code is self documenting
09:37 <+ihre> or custom headers :^)
09:37 <+ihre> but i guess frontpage doesnt handle that
09:37 < Hunterkll> ihre, nah the title tag is it
09:37 < Hunterkll> no one pays attention to that anymore
09:37 < Hunterkll> LOL
09:37 < Hunterkll> if this were frontpage that code would be horrific
09:37 < Hunterkll> nah
09:37 < Hunterkll> this is hand crafted with love
09:39 < vorap> Heyo people
09:43 <+ihre> rum_fiend: for that amount of money i think i'd rather buy a bottle of whiskey though :3
09:45 < rum_fiend> ihre: but its really good rum, do recommend it
09:46 < rum_fiend> so is it read-only friday for y'all?
09:46 <+ihre> No, because agile, gotta be able to deploy 24/7 >_>
09:50 < rum_fiend> oh shi-, net-splits or what
09:50 <+ihre> yup
09:50 <+ihre> just hide joins/parts :)
09:51 < catbeard> like +D on unrealircd, or you can set in your client to not print or print in another window
09:51 < catbeard> it's annoying when someones leaves and you don't log it, but nicklist updates and you try to tab-complete them, but .. they're gone.. :(
09:51 < rum_fiend> im just happy OPS arent deploying anything crucial that cant be fixed in a few minutes ...
09:57 < vorap> What's up people?
09:57 <+ihre> if you actually have ops instead of just hipster developers :3
09:57 <+ihre> not much vorap
09:57 < vorap> ihre lol
09:57 < vorap> cool
09:57 <+ihre> reviewing changes before pushing to remote :D
09:57 <+ihre> boring as fuck
09:58 < vorap> greaaat
10:13 < catbeard> git add -A
10:13 < catbeard> git commit -m "gud to go"
10:14 < catbeard> looking through old git shortlogs, 'lol fuck' 'gdi this shit better work' 'John said to..'
10:16 < vorap> Wonderful :p
10:33 < Hatsjoe> Morning
10:42 < MrLemur> what's on everyone's plates this fine friday?
10:43 < xe0n> friday is finished, just got home :)
10:44 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, my new website - https://www.hugebuttholes.com
10:44 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
10:44 < Hunterkll> :0
10:44 < xe0n> lol im on the page
10:44 < xe0n> :D
10:44 < MrLemur> Hunterkll, I saw that yesterday. A true thing of beauty.
10:44 < Hatsjoe> Final day being on-site at the client in London, busy busy busy
10:45 < Markdown1_> DDoD Marathon
10:45 < MrLemur> A flaming skull would not go amiss.
10:45 < Hatsjoe> Go-live is next month, still plenty to do
10:45 < Markdown1_> *DDoS
10:45 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, i've been updating it, and its https now
10:46 < Markdown1_> when Sys Admins sleep
10:46 < MrLemur> Hunterkll, a Comodo certificate as well. Fancy.
10:46 < Markdown1_> Comodo hmm
10:46 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, i have a good relationship with namecheap
10:46 < Hunterkll> to the point where i get special pricing now
10:46 < Hunterkll> ><
10:47 < MrLemur> I got an email from namecheap saying they are now providing whois guard for free as standard. Isn't that just because of GDPR?
10:47 < Hunterkll> yep
10:47 < Hunterkll> lol
10:47 < Hunterkll> pretty much
10:47 < agent_white> Sweet :D
10:47 < Hunterkll> i think they raised domain prices a wee bit
10:47 < agent_white> Not sweet D:
10:48 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, whoisguard does offer a few extra protections other than just the redacted whois data
10:48 < Hunterkll> ICANN is doing whois redaction as a matter of course but ICANN still has the full whois data
10:48 < Hunterkll> whoisguard prevents icann from having the data
10:48 < Markdown1_> I still have domains with Hover
10:48 < MrLemur> Hunterkll -  ahhh I see. That makes sense. It's just not public now.
10:49 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, i got my account hooked up for special pricing with namecheap when i contacted support
10:49 < Hunterkll> lol
10:49 < Hunterkll> https://pastebin.ca/4034703
10:49 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  pastebin - Someone - post number 4034703
10:49 < Hunterkll> ^^^^
10:49 < FenJai> Can anyone recommend an OST to PST file converter ? I need to extract a calendar for a user who's only backup was in the form of an ost file
10:49 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, the .com price is extra nice, since it's normally $12.88 now i think
10:50 < Hunterkll> so thats more than $3 off per domain, even for renewals
10:50 < Markdown1_> I have to be up all night
10:50 < Markdown1_> fml
10:51 < Markdown1_> how is GoDaddy these days?
10:51 < Hunterkll> just as bad as always
10:52 < MrLemur> Hunterkll I've not had to register a .com in a while. I have a penchant for registering domains while drunk.
10:52 < Hunterkll> lol
10:52 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, why the fuck do you think i have so many domains i get special pricing with namecheap?
10:53 < Markdown1_> RegisterDomainWhileDrunk101.com
10:53 < Hunterkll> I fucking have hugebuttholes.com for fucks sake
10:53 < MrLemur> Amen
10:53 < Hunterkll> MrLemur, the best part was when i was renwing 44 of them, i had to contact namecheap support, and got some indian girl
10:53 < Hunterkll> well
10:53 < Hunterkll> i have mumbaihunnies.xyz and punjabipantyraiders.xyz
10:53 < Hunterkll> in my domain list
10:53 < Markdown1_> that sounds like a porn website
10:53 < Hunterkll> >_>
10:53 < Hunterkll> Markdown1_, it's https enabled too! https://www.hugebuttholes.com
10:53 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
10:54 < Hunterkll> it's a site showing all the huge buttholes of this channel
10:54 < Hunterkll> :D
10:54 < Markdown1_> ah
10:54 < MrLemur> You could make a bit of cash from those. Create a scraper to find relevant images, add a domain watermark, and uploads
10:54 < Hunterkll> lol
10:54 < Hunterkll> don't forget
10:54 < MrLemur> *upload them to other sites. Watch the ad revenue come in.
10:54 < Hunterkll> you can get support for all your cocaine needs
10:55 < Hunterkll> at cocaine.support@cocainedealers.club
10:55 < Hunterkll> i even have a cocaine CRM setup
10:55 < Hunterkll> >_>
10:55 < Markdown1_> I remember when .club domains first was announced
10:55 < Markdown1_> sold some for $2000
10:55 < Hunterkll> lol
10:56 < Hunterkll> oh huh
10:56 < Hunterkll> millerboss sent an email asking for cocaine support
10:56 < Hunterkll> i responded 'fuck off, no cocaine for you'
10:56 < MrLemur> Best cocaine dealer
10:56 < MrLemur> Best support
10:57 < MrLemur> cocainedealers.club - only the best
10:57 < Hunterkll> well
10:57 < Hunterkll> better than analbleed.com
10:57 < Hunterkll> though not as good as blow.zone
10:58 <+ihre> that sounds like a grindcore band Hunterkll
10:58 < Hunterkll> ihre, you don't remember the 'analbleed' exploit?
10:58 <+ihre> kind of like anal cunt
10:58 < Hunterkll> lol
10:59 < Hunterkll> ihre, http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2015/May/52
10:59 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Full Disclosure: Multiple Vulnerabilities in Openlitespeed <= 1.3.10 - CVE-b045-73d a.k.a. Analbleed.
10:59 < Hunterkll> they let the domains expire
10:59 < Hunterkll> :D
10:59 < Hunterkll> it was making fun of heartbleed and other exploit naming things
10:59 < Hunterkll> had a geocities-esque page with flashy shit and music and stuff
11:00 <+ihre> never heard of it before, neither of openlitespeed ;p
11:01 < Markdown1_> OP Enlised Peed
11:01 <+ihre> wat
11:01 < Hunterkll> ihre, yea, but now i have a domain that was jokingly famous for a while and is in many mailing list archives
11:01 < Markdown1_> *Enlites
11:01 < Hunterkll> i could capitalize on it
11:02 < Hunterkll> ....
11:02 < Hunterkll> i need an adsense account
11:02 < Hunterkll> wait
11:02 <+ihre> could also make a nice BDSM site out of it
11:02 < Markdown1_> do you have any domains about Fidget Spinners? :P
11:02 < Hunterkll> i already have one
11:02 < catbeard> i have a full api written for hubtraffic
11:03 < catbeard> if someone wants to help me with the code and make bankz0r
11:03 < catbeard> niche porn with ssl, no logs, and no ads
11:03 < catbeard> a pipe dream, but a relatively easy one
11:10 < Thanos> how do you like working with computers all day at work
11:10 < Thanos> what are the most annoying parts of it
11:10 <+ihre> humans
11:10 < Hunterkll> Thanos, people who ask dumb questions like you
11:10 < xe0n> lol Hunterkll
11:10 < xe0n> i just got a video of a friend with her hitachi spraying everywhere
11:10 < xe0n> lolol
11:11 < Markdown1_> o.O
11:11 < Hunterkll> yeaaaa so
11:11 < Hunterkll> that'd be illegal to post up you know?
11:11 < Hunterkll> theres laws against that
11:11 < xe0n> lolll
11:11 < Hunterkll> without consent anyway
11:11 < Hunterkll> i have a prepared waiver for this sort of thing if you'd like?
11:11 < xe0n> LOL!
11:12 < Hunterkll> it's actually quite legally sound and has been lawyer reviewed
11:12 < Hunterkll> and 'oh yea, i do recuriting and shooting for a porn site' is a great pickup line sometimes
11:12 < Hunterkll> gotta be able to back it up
11:12 < Hunterkll> not that i'd ever do something as dishonest as that, of course
11:12 < Hunterkll> i only do strictly legal things
11:12 < xe0n> legal in certain states lol
11:12 < xe0n> haha
11:12 < Hunterkll> and of course, everything that's legal is perfectly honest, right?
11:12 < xe0n> suppose so.
11:13 < Hunterkll> i really need to develop that roll of film from anime central 2017
11:13 < Markdown1_> where the heck can you register .ne domains
11:13 < Hunterkll> that hooker was fucking amazing
11:13 < xe0n> lolll
11:13 < Hunterkll> got some black and white film work of that one
11:13 < xe0n> does the b&w make it artistic?
11:13 < Thanos> Hunterkll: there's nothing dumb in a question or two.
11:14 < xe0n> dont snap your fingers thanos
11:14 < xe0n> :P
11:14 < Hunterkll> xe0n, her mobster clothing style and hat did
11:14 < Hunterkll> :P
11:15 < Markdown1_> $678/year WTF
11:15 < MrLemur> Markdown1_ We are the knights who register .ne domains
11:15 < xe0n> MrLemur: what is your favourite colour?
11:16 < MrLemur> xe0n Colour is an illusion and we are all going to die alone.
11:16 < MrLemur> But blue if I had to choose.
11:16 < xe0n> wrong.
11:16 < xe0n> red
11:16 < xe0n> wwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
11:16 < Hunterkll> fuck that
11:16 < Hunterkll> emerald green
11:16 < xe0n> as if you didnt get that it was a line from the same movie lol!
11:16 < Hunterkll> is the only right answer
11:16 < MrLemur> Hehehe
11:16 < Markdown1_> MrLemur Spam
11:17 < Markdown1_> Spam Spam Spam Spam Bacon and Spam
11:17 < MrLemur> Spam and sausages is not the worst meal I've ever had
11:17 < xe0n> i had cheese and bacon sausages with salad and mash the other night
11:18 < xe0n> i dunno if i'd do them again..
11:18 < Thanos> wtf is mash
11:18 <+ihre> potatoes
11:18 < xe0n> ^
11:18 < Markdown1_> shrubbery
11:18 < xe0n> bangers and mash...
11:18 < Thanos> whats a banger
11:18 < xe0n> a good edm tune
11:18 < Markdown1_> some hood people
11:18 < MrLemur> Thanos, finger doodles
11:19 < xe0n> finger doodles with infinity stones, the way thanos likes it
11:19 < MrLemur> I'm legitimately feeling shameful and
11:20 < MrLemur> Actually that's it.
11:33 < m4221> Ho
11:33 < m4221> Hi
11:35 < niklasye> Hiho
11:35 <+ihre> Hi Hoes
11:35 < niklasye> You mean broes
11:36 < m4221> niklasye: I'm offended
11:37 < niklasye> m4221 Makes you feel alive, right?
11:37 < niklasye> I'm triggered, therefore I exist
13:17 < Hunterkll> Ainsey, have you seen my new website? https://www.hugebuttholes.com
13:17 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
13:19 < Thanos> sounds kinky
13:20 <+A-KO> waddup
13:20 < Hunterkll> urgh i'm having trouble deciding between different damn shutter release setups
13:20 < Hunterkll> lol
13:20 < Hunterkll> I can't find the one I had in '04
13:20 <+A-KO> WHY AM I UP SO EARLY
13:20 <+A-KO> WTF
13:20 <+A-KO> think I might be coming down with something :(
13:20 < Hunterkll> idk
13:20 <+A-KO> whatever's been going around work might actually have gotten me this time
13:20 <+A-KO> gg
13:20 < Hunterkll> i been getting up at like 4am every day since i got back from chiraq
13:20 < Hunterkll> lol
13:20 < Hunterkll> and going to bed at like 8pm
13:20 < Hunterkll> haha
13:21 < Hunterkll> oh, neat
13:21 < Hunterkll> 2.4ghz now instead of the old style
13:22 < Hunterkll> A-KO, you shoudl get one of these - https://www.amazon.com/PIXEL-Wireless-Shutter-Release-Control/dp/B01LCN48SI/ref=pd_sim_421_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01LCN48SI&pd_rd_r=WYQC7KV4Y1XKYTN8FSVT&pd_rd_w=G6t94&pd_rd_wg=nI2j5&psc=1&refRID=WYQC7KV4Y1XKYTN8FSVT
13:22 < Hunterkll> you'll need a different cabled one but still
13:22 < Hunterkll> mine has a 3 pin weather sealing jack on the side
13:22 < Hunterkll> lol
13:22 < Hunterkll> christ, my order history is insane
13:25 < Hunterkll> Wireless remote shutter release, 52mm wide angle conversion lens, 3 36exp rolls of portra 800, mini TTL flash, Platinum Edition using XHTML, XML, & Java 2, 36 packs of jack links jerky chew, tabasco steak sauce, 5 rolls of 36exp portra 400, canon EF 75-300, E-TTL speedlite flash with hard diffuser, LGA2011 cpu cooler, DDR4 4GB, 58mm 0.43x wide angle lens, i7-7800X, ET-60 lens hood for 75-300, E-52 II lens cap,
13:25 < Hunterkll> lol
13:25 <+A-KO> https://www.amazon.com/NEEWER-Wireless-Shutter-Release-Digital/dp/B005LT2ENG/
13:25 < Hunterkll> wow
13:25 < Hunterkll> no
13:25 < Hunterkll> spend $10-18 more
13:25 < Hunterkll> get the programmable one that does time delay and shit
13:25 <+A-KO> why?
13:25 <+A-KO> wtf lol
13:25 < Hunterkll> ya like the one i linked
13:26 <+A-KO> I can't use those fancy ones
13:26 <+A-KO> they don't make 'em
13:26 <+A-KO> not for the T3 anyway
13:26 < Hunterkll> what camera was yours?
13:26 < Hunterkll> T3
13:26 < Hunterkll> standard 3.5mm
13:26 < Hunterkll> er, 2.5
13:27 < Hunterkll> A-KO, https://www.amazon.com/TW-283-E3-Wireless-Shutter-Release/dp/B004BZMGMA/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1527852428&sr=1-3&keywords=pixel+wireless+T3
13:27 <@cryptic1> Christ why are u guys up so early
13:27 < Hunterkll> and it's 1 cent cheaper than mine
13:27 < Hunterkll> and looks fancier
13:28 <+A-KO> cryptic1: I think I might be sick
13:28 <+A-KO> which sucks
13:28 <+A-KO> because I was intending to go over the gf's house all weekend
13:28 <+A-KO> buuuuuut yeah
13:28 <@cryptic1> That does suck
13:28 <@cryptic1> Right before the weekend
13:28 <+A-KO> yep
13:28 <@cryptic1> Better use monday and tuesday as sick days to make up for it
13:28 < Hunterkll> lol
13:29 < Hunterkll> nice
13:29 < Hunterkll> my new 75-300 gets here saturday too
13:29 < Hunterkll> film & shit gets here today
13:29 < Hunterkll> as well as the first flash
13:29 < Hunterkll> shit i'm gonna need a lot of batteries
13:29 < Hunterkll> good thing i have an entire fucking radioshack's worth in my basement
13:29 <@cryptic1> You can still buy film?
13:29 < Hunterkll> ....
13:29 < MrLemur> I got a Jinti one for my T3
13:29 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, canon officially EOL'd / end of sale their last film camera *yesterday*
13:29 < MrLemur> Neweer also did one
13:30 <+A-KO> think I might try and get back to sleep maybe
13:30 <@cryptic1> Thats too bad
13:30 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, they're 100% guaranteeing support & repairs throuhg october 2020, and extended if parts available through 2025
13:31 <@cryptic1> You going to buy one of the last models?
13:31 < Hunterkll> off ebay probably
13:31 < Hunterkll> the camera was introduced 18 years ago and is still the best film camera you can buy
13:31 < Hunterkll> they run $600-700 minimum for a good condition one on ebay
13:32 < Hunterkll> i wanted one, but i needed a replacement camera now, so i settled on the EOS-3 for $200 instead
13:32 < Hunterkll> when i buy one i'm going to send it in to canon for a full overhaul
13:33 <@cryptic1> Yeah thats a good idea
13:33 < Hunterkll> get the weather sealing refreshed and all that
13:34 <@cryptic1> Should just offer one of your gfx cards as one in trade on craigslist
13:34 < Hunterkll> lol no
13:34 < Hunterkll> my GPUs are $800 units
13:34 < Hunterkll> i'm considering hawking the hololens to buy a 1D X Mark II
13:34 < Hunterkll> but that'd only cover half the cost of the camera
13:34 <@cryptic1> Yeah but been running 24/7
13:34 < Hunterkll> EVGA 3 year transferrable warranty
13:34 < Hunterkll> they keep their resale value
13:35 < Hunterkll> that's how i got like $450-500 for my 980 Ti on ebay a while ago
13:35 < Hunterkll> still had like 180 days warranty left
13:35 < Hunterkll> lol
13:37 <+ihre> with analog cameras its the same as good watch movements, they will be serviceable till infinity
13:37 <+ihre> depends on the model ofc
13:37 < Hunterkll> ihre, depending on parts availability of course
13:38 < Hunterkll> :P
13:38 <+ihre> yeah definitely
13:38 < Hunterkll> canon's only guaranting service thoruhg 2020
13:38 < Hunterkll> then until 2025 depending on availability of parts
13:38 < Hunterkll> though given that yesterday was the official official end of sales (evne though they really stopped selling it mainstream in 2015)
13:38 < Hunterkll> and they stopped *manufacturing* the camera in 2010
13:38 < Hunterkll> i'm sure we'll be good for a while
13:38 <+ihre> it'll probably spawn third parties that will focus on those parts
13:38 < Hunterkll> nah
13:38 < Hunterkll> that hasn't really happened fora ny of canon's cameras
13:39 < Hunterkll> broken bodies just get cannibalized
13:39 < Hunterkll> i'm actually looking for a dead EOS-3 right now for spare parts
13:39 < rhqq> morning
13:40 <+ihre> sup rhqq
13:41 < rhqq> nommuch, just got my replacemnt simcard
13:41 < rhqq> hoping to finally resolve my internet issues
13:41 < rhqq> also spent 2h looking for polish-style kebap thing
13:41 <+ihre> wat
13:41 < Hunterkll> lol
13:41 <+ihre> is that marinated in beer or vodka or something ? :>
13:41 < rhqq> haha
13:42 < rhqq> no, it barely ressembles original
13:43 < rhqq> "kebab" "meat" in pita-style bread with lots of vegetables, all served which garlic sauce
13:43 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, lol new in box EOS-1V goes for almost as much as a 5D Mk III or IV
13:43 < Hunterkll> $1900 or more for a new one
13:43 <@cryptic1> Wow
13:43 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
13:43 <@cryptic1> D:
13:44 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, this is a new in box one from japan where they apparently still sold 'em for a while
13:44 < Hunterkll> lol
13:44 <@cryptic1> About to drive to work now be back in 15/20 minutes
13:44 < Hunterkll> lol
13:48 < Thanos> I should have been a sysadmin
13:48 < Thanos> sitting around on irc all day
13:48 < Hunterkll> ^
13:48 < Hunterkll> its p lit
13:48 < rhqq> Thanos: found a developer
13:48 < Thanos> I dont have a tech job
13:48 < rhqq> well, you're technically speaking very wrong :P
13:52 < Thanos> I know you don't want people clued into how awesome your gig is
13:53 < Thanos> but any job you can sit around on irc and do is cake.
13:53 <+ihre> Thanos: just create an irc bot connected to scripts, seems reasonable
13:54 < rhqq> Thanos: it's just matter of proper setup, any office job would do
13:56 < m4221> Hello
13:56 < rhqq> oh no
13:59 < rhqq> is he gone yet?
14:00 < m4221> rhqq: who?
14:00 < rhqq> ...
14:00 <+ihre> jesus
14:01 < asimon> good morning friends
14:02 <+ihre> im not your friend, buddy
14:04 <+ihre> https://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2018/bijl-canada-koppen.jpg https://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2018/bijl-canada-bloed.jpg wew
14:04 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 42,257 bytes
14:04 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 47,495 bytes
14:04 < rhqq> :O
14:04 < rhqq> its alive
14:04 < rhqq> it works.. but not correctly
14:04 <+ihre> well, it not wrong :P
14:04 <+ihre> just rather useless :D
14:05 < rhqq> ah, just noticed there are two
14:05 < rhqq> wait what
14:05 < rhqq> two different sizes
14:05 < rhqq> for same url?
14:05 < rhqq> https://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2018/bijl-canada-koppen.jpg https://static.autoblog.nl/images/wp2018/bijl-canada-koppen.jpg
14:05 <+ihre> no, 2 different urls
14:05 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  ihre → IMAGE/JPEG Document, 47,495 bytes
14:05 < rhqq> ah correct
14:05 < rhqq> ok
14:11 < cipher6> morning all
14:11 < rhqq> oh
14:11 < rhqq> i just realized
14:11 < rhqq> happy friday everyone
14:14 < asimon> fuck yeah friday
14:15 < Doorcellar> Anyone know how I can increase the disk space allowed for an office 365 sharepoint site?
14:17 < MrLemur> go to sharepoint admin site > site collections and choose storage quota
14:21 < Doorcellar> Everything looks fine in storage quota but I can no longer copy and paste anymore to the synced sharepoint folder in file explorer
14:29 < jaelae> i bought some makeup from an MLM online and the single order has generated 16 emails so far
14:30 < asimon> Sounds about right
14:31 < asimon> Just tell them that you live in the EU and that they're violating the GPDR
14:31 < asimon> then report them to the cyper police
14:31 < asimon> s/cyper/cyber
14:31 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon] then report them to the cyber police
14:31 < jaelae> i dont want to talk toa nyone
14:31 < jaelae> i just ordered makeup for my wife
14:34 <@cryptic1> MORNING
14:34 <@cryptic1> oops caps
14:34 < asimon> Good morning cryptic1
14:35 < asimon> I don't know if its that good of a morning though
14:35 <@cryptic1> :)
14:35 <@cryptic1> its friday
14:35 <@Code_Man65> You may rejoice, for Friday has arrived
14:36 < jaelae> i gotta get to studying
14:36 < jaelae> one last microsoft test for mcsa - ive been slacking
14:36 < Thanos> study, yay!
14:37 < cipher6> I woke up and my wife said, "Your PowerRangers shirt is clean. I put it out for you."
14:37 < cipher6> And htat's how I know this friday is going to be awesome.
14:39 < Ainsey> Hunterkll: lmao, very 90's
14:39 < Hunterkll> Ainsey, i had to look hard for that under construction banner
14:39 < Hunterkll> lol
14:39 < jaelae> cipher6:  is 42 though
14:39 < jaelae> :(
14:39 < jaelae> no judgement zone though
14:39 < Ainsey> Hunterkll: you you been? long time since I spoke in here haha
14:40 < Hunterkll> pretty good
14:40 < Hunterkll> raiding amazon for film supplies
14:40 < Thanos> I'll be judgy. When I see 40 somethings wearing thundercats, transformers, power rangers etc shirts I want to laugh at them.
14:40 < Ainsey> Hunterkll: hah, I always do that
14:41 < Hunterkll> eh??
14:41 < Hunterkll> you shoot film too?
14:41 < Ainsey> aah thought you meant ideas for film downloads
14:41 < Hunterkll> nooooo
14:41 < Hunterkll> I just got my new camera yesterday
14:41 < Ainsey> misunderstood
14:41 < Hunterkll> now i'm priming up for everything else
14:41 < Ainsey> ah nice, old school film?
14:41 < Hunterkll> yes
14:42 < Hunterkll> i have a shitload of undeveloped film i need to take care of from the past month
14:42 < Hunterkll> lol
14:42 < Ainsey> very nice, I have my old dslr and thats about it in the way of cameras for me
14:42 < Hunterkll> ya, just got an EOS-3 to replace the EOS-50e that broke in chicago two weeks ago
14:42 < Ainsey> canon man then, mines an Nikon D200
14:42 < Hunterkll> still have a rebel G as a backup lol
14:43 < Ainsey> with the little LCD on the top of the body with your readout on
14:43 < Hunterkll> had to switch to that basic bitch body that saturday night
14:43 <+ihre> i wonder why they have different names for those in EU vs USA tho, rebel vs EOS
14:43 < Hunterkll> they don't
14:44 < Hunterkll> ihre, it's the Canon EOS Rebel G :P
14:44 <+ihre> a canon eos 650d is called a rebel t4i in US and a x6i in japan ..
14:44 < Hunterkll> it's still an EOS 650D
14:44 < Ainsey> reminds me I have some photos I need to pull off mine
14:44 < Hunterkll> just like my EOS-50e is also the Elan II e
14:44 < Hunterkll> the rebel G is the EOS-500N
14:45 < Hunterkll> 3 digit camera models are basic bitch cameras >:3
14:45 <+ihre> its just confusing and doesnt make sense
14:45 < Hunterkll> it's just branding
14:45 < Hunterkll> anything "rebel" or 3 digit EOS is ones you don't want
14:45 <+ihre> depends on your budget ;p
14:45 < Hunterkll> I had the rebel 2000 way back when it came out in late '99
14:46 < Hunterkll> which was the EOS-300
14:46 < Hunterkll> ihre, true, there's also the 4 digit model numbers
14:46 < Hunterkll> *puke*
14:46 < Ainsey> ah compact flash, I forgot how slow you are
14:47 < Hunterkll> Ainsey, you need the UDMA7 ones
14:47 < Hunterkll> :P
14:47 < Hunterkll> if your camera even supports it
14:47 < Hunterkll> or upgrade to a CFast camera
14:47 < Hunterkll> like the 1D X Mark II
14:47 < Hunterkll> CFast is SATA instead of IDE :)
14:47 < Ainsey> not sure what my camera can do to be honest
14:47 < Hunterkll> same card formfactor (though with actual sata connectors)
14:48 <+ihre> fwiw, im glad i didnt pay 1200e for my dslr, given the number of times i've used it over the past couple of years, 650d is fine for me ;p
14:48 < Hunterkll> haha
14:48 < Hunterkll> i'm looking at about $6000 for my next digital camera
14:48 < Ainsey> it seems though it'll do UDMA
14:48  * Ainsey goes shopping
14:48 < Hunterkll> well duh
14:48 < Hunterkll> which model camera?
14:48 <+ihre> and youre 14k down
14:48 < Ainsey> Hunterkll: Nikon D200
14:48 <+ihre> how the fuck do you allocate 6k for a camera? :p
14:48 < Ainsey> oooold camera
14:49 < Ainsey> well, 2000 and something
14:49 < Hunterkll> first one that's good enough for me to use for in place of a film camera since it's the first that FINALLY beats film in all metrics, and the first to exceed the 10fps shooting speed of a 1V with PB attachmenet
14:49 < Hunterkll> 2005
14:50 < Hunterkll> Ainsey, i'd hope anything made after like '96 could do UDMA
14:50 < Hunterkll> lol
14:50 < Hunterkll> but no
14:50 < ny0x> Is it normal for a sysadmin to perform a security risk assessment?
14:50 < Hunterkll> D200 doesn't support it
14:50 < Hunterkll> Ainsey, D200 no UDMA, so buy whatever crap cards you want
14:50 < Hunterkll> ny0x, sure, why not
14:51 < ny0x> okay cool.
14:51 < ny0x> I was about to offer to do one.
14:51 < Hunterkll> ihre, how? I pay off $6k, then load up $6k
14:51 < Hunterkll> :)
14:51 < Casteil> dear chase: don't fucking send credit payment due alerts if I've already scheduled a payment
14:51 < Hunterkll> ny0x, 'is it normal for a sysadmin to perform X'
14:51 < Hunterkll> and there's always someone
14:51 < Hunterkll> who does it
14:51 < Hunterkll> so that's a dumb question
14:51 < Hunterkll> :)
14:51 <+giant_it_burrit> be nice to the kids
14:51 < Hunterkll> don't make me put you on the site giant_it_burrit
14:51 < Ainsey> just had a look at the last shoot I did, photo I thought came out alright looks shite :(
14:51 < Hunterkll> i will put you on the site if you don't behave
14:51 < Ainsey> ever so slightly out of focus
14:52 <+giant_it_burrit> is that like the list ?
14:52 < Ainsey> https://imgur.com/a/Xujw34X
14:52 <+layer-eight> * Ainsey →  Private Imgur Album
14:52 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, oh it's worse
14:52 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, https://www.hugebuttholes.com
14:52 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
14:52 <+giant_it_burrit> please no felda
14:52 <+giant_it_burrit> oh phew
14:52 < Hunterkll> ....
14:52 < Hunterkll> lol
14:52 <+ihre> Ainsey: but what were you focussing on? ;p
14:52 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, felda isn't on the list yet
14:52 < Hunterkll> lol
14:53 < Hunterkll> i'll point out that i've enhanced the butthole security with a proper SSL certificate
14:53 < Hunterkll> :o
14:53 < Ainsey> ihre: was supposed to have been on the nearest dial
14:53 < Ainsey> but just got it ever so slightly out
14:53 < Hunterkll> lol\
14:54 <+ihre> DoF works backwards, as in, focus on the beginning of the ring and then set the diafragma right :D
14:54 < Hunterkll> diaphragm ?
14:54 < Hunterkll> lol
14:54 < rhqq> Hunterkll: add this https://bl.ocks.org/AGdelaX/856e67e9ba5905c051db but like 2-3 eye-killing epileptic colors with quick change
14:54 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  Rainbow Background Animation - bl.ocks.org
14:54 <+ihre> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diafragma_(optica) meh
14:54 < Hunterkll> rhqq, i'll have to review my book to see if it's got that stuff in there
14:54 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  Diafragma (optica) - Wikipedia
14:55 < Hunterkll> i'm restricting myself to 1999 technology,a nd only what's in my book
14:55 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078971759X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 <-- this book
14:55 < Hunterkll> though i did order the updated 2000 copy with ASP and perl CGI
14:55 < Hunterkll> so we might get a guestbook and hit counter when that comes in
14:55 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Using-XHTML-XML-Java/dp/0789724731/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
15:02 < MadCamel> Hm. It's Friday. Time to change a lot of stuff in prod for no reason!
15:02 < Ainsey> I only got up an hour ago
15:02 < Ainsey> perks of running your own company I guess
15:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> morning fellas
15:03 < asimon> Hey friend
15:03 < MadCamel> heh yeah. I'm gonna miss that, switching to an 8-5'er soon. Getting up before 10 is a nightmare..
15:04 < Hatter> do most of you do 8-5?
15:05 < abakedapplepie> 9-5
15:05 < abakedapplepie> because im lazy
15:05 < Hatter> I typically do 9-5 with 30-60 minute lunch
15:05 < Ainsey> I was always a 9-5 guy, with on call on top
15:05 < Ainsey> but now I just work when I feel like it
15:05 < MrLemur> 9-5:30
15:06 < MrLemur> or 9-10
15:06 < Thanos> working 5 days a week is horrible.
15:06 < Hatter> this whole 9-5 M-F thing is for the birds anyway
15:06 < asimon> It usually ends up 8-6
15:08 <+giant_it_burrit> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Na1hDZvu5Q&feature=youtu.be
15:08 <+layer-eight> * giant_it_burrit →  YouTube → Verdens hurtigste makulator - GDPR Compliant shredder! → ⚘ 97,107 ↑ 887 ↓ 16 ✍ 66
15:09 < NSV> Anyone else feel IT is stretched crazy thin because of all the shit you have to know compared to most jobs?
15:10 < alazare619> ^
15:10 < alazare619> also underpaid
15:10 <@Code_Man65> That is a larger problem in the SMB space
15:11 < alazare619> and underappreciated because the CFO's nephew is "good with computers"
15:11 < asimon> I love that guys laugh
15:12 < niklasye> become a consultant, solves at least the salary problem :)
15:12 < Thanos> it can't be that bad. buck up.
15:14 < alazare619> i always find it funny the people that dont find IT to be that way
15:14 < alazare619> like you obviously haven't had a toxic IT job before
15:15 < alazare619> i didn't feel that way till i worked here
15:15 < alazare619> pay far better then any other job before
15:15 < alazare619> but completely underpaid for the BS i deal with on a day to day
15:15 < MadCamel> Skillset is always in demand.. Just line up another job. Money isn't worth being unhappy, long-term.
15:16 < niklasye> true ^
15:16 < Thanos> people don't die at your job.
15:16 < Thanos> so yeah, I'm not going to cry for you.
15:16 < alazare619> part of me wants to make a report, none of our data in motion is encrypted, DC's and exchange are 2003 exchange is 2007 on a 2003 dc... still a ton of XP devices running around i could go on about how we dont meet pci compliance because C levels wont let us use money to update our infrastructure
15:17 < MadCamel> oof. no external audits?
15:17 < alazare619> Thanos: previous co-worker was checked into a psychward because he attempted suicide
15:17 < alazare619> Thanos: its pretty fucking bad/toxic
15:18 < alazare619> MadCamel:  not for IT
15:18 < alazare619> business office is audited
15:18 < Thanos> there are weak willed people everywhere.
15:18 < alazare619> but only for insurance purposes not compliance
15:18 < alazare619> Thanos: please go kill yourself
15:18 < Thanos> its no wonder your coworker attempted suicide
15:19 < asimon> Woah hey there
15:19 < asimon> lets all take it down a notch yeah?
15:19 <@Code_Man65> Yeah
15:19 < asimon> Lets focus on how ridiculous this is instead
15:19 < asimon> https://www.zdnet.com/article/fitness-app-pumpup-leaked-health-data-private-messages/
15:19 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  Fitness app PumpUp leaked health data, private messages | ZDNet
15:20 < asimon> Definitely not pci compliant - they transmitted full credit card details in plaintext, linked to facebook accounts and everything
15:25 < Nightcinder> Two lions, two tigers and a jaguar have reportedly escaped from a German zoo, with locals being warned to stay inside
15:25 < int0x1C8> KITTIES
15:25 < MadCamel> Kitties! I'd buy them steak
15:25 <@Code_Man65> Nightcinder:  Darn, it wasn't lions, tigers, and bears.
15:26 < Casteil> I'm probably going to catch some shit for not bending over
15:26 < am0nrahx> dibs on the jaguar
15:26 < alazare619> Code_Man65:  and theres the daily kansas meme
15:26 < alazare619> I over heard the 2 lions 2 tigers and jaguar were off to see the wizard
15:27 < Casteil> send me all the "you would be wise to prioritize this" emails you want.. is it really that important if you can't even be fucking bothered to put in an actual ticket?
15:27 < Nightcinder> top comment++
15:27 < Nightcinder> Madagascar 4: Escape from Germany
15:27 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, but some bitch said she was going to get them and their little dog too
15:27 < int0x1C8> the lions want a brain, the jaguar wants courage, and the tigers want a human heart
15:28 < alazare619> "Police killed a bear and were searching for the other animals that broke out of their cages in a zoo in Luenebach, western Germany on Friday."
15:28 < alazare619> apparently the bear got killed Code_Man65
15:28 < Nightcinder> rip bear
15:28 < Jekotia> Anyone know how to disable webmin modules from the terminal? Google is giving me a fat lot of useless :/
15:29 < Jekotia> s/disable/remove
15:29 <+layer-eight> [SED Jekotia] Anyone know how to remove webmin modules from the terminal? Google is giving me a fat lot of useless :/
15:29 < Nightcinder> The animals were found inside the zoo compound in Lünebach after a search involving a drone, officials told German media. Local residents had earlier been told to stay indoors.
15:31 < alazare619> anyone have experienec with amplifi mesh?
15:31 < alazare619> https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System
15:32 < alazare619> https://www.amazon.com/AmpliFi-High-Density-Home-Wi-Fi-System/dp/B01L9O08PW/
15:32 < Nightcinder> why bother with mesh
15:32 < alazare619> rentals
15:33 < alazare619> why invest in a property i don't own
15:33 < Thanos> I have Orbi mesh. It works wonderfully.
15:33 < Nightcinder> $310 vs a UAP-AC-Lite or two?
15:33 < Thanos> as for why: thick plaster walls, fireplaces, etc.
15:33 < MadCamel> good call. Generally if you think you need a mesh and you're dealing with <2000sqft it's not a signal problem it's an interference problem.
15:34 < cantibot> .yt crystal method
15:35 < alazare619> Nightcinder: its a router w/ wifi + 2 mesh ap's
15:35 < alazare619> 2 uap ac's are that much
15:35 < hxcsp> hey it just looks cool
15:35 < Nightcinder> my uap-ac was $100
15:35 < hxcsp> that matters
15:37 < alazare619> Nightcinder: yea 2 uaps + a router you are at the same cost as the amplifi hd mesh system
15:38 < Thanos> the problem with the amplifi unit and why I didn't buy it is that the little satellites dominate a whole power socket
15:38 < alazare619> Nightcinder:  not to mention this is beast
15:38 < alazare619> https://store.amplifi.com/products/amplifi-teleport
15:38 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  AmpliFi Teleport                         – Amplifi Wi-Fi
15:40 < abakedapplepie> thats... interesting
15:41 < Hatter> abakedapplepie: look into it please, give us your findings by EOB
15:41 < Nightcinder> wot
15:41 < Nightcinder> that's interesting
15:41 < Nightcinder> so it just automatically creates a vpn for you
15:41 < Hatter> Nightcinder: you help him
15:42 < alazare619> Nightcinder:  basically yes
15:42 < alazare619> Nightcinder: a hardware assisted VPN
15:42 < Nightcinder> wonder what performance is like
15:42 < alazare619> found some videos on youtube about it its hardware assisted
15:42 < Nightcinder> i need to set up an ipsec tunnel from the gfs to my place
15:42 < abakedapplepie> i wonder how easy it is to configure the wifi station on it when using wifi hotspots
15:42 < alazare619> so near native speed for whatever the slowest point on the connections speed is
15:43 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: only then will she feel comfortable sending you noods?
15:43 < Nightcinder> JollyRgrs: then i can fix shit without going over there
15:43 < alazare619> JollyRgrs:  i was thinking so he could tap into her camera etc...you know and monitor her...
15:43 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: teamviewer. done
15:43 < hxcsp> how often are you fixing shit if you are actively trying to avoid going to your girlfriends :p
15:43 < Nightcinder> damn that teleport is $100
15:43 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp++++
15:44 <@JollyRgrs> i'd be purposefully breaking stuff just to go back if i had to :)
15:44 < alazare619> Nightcinder: yea the amplifi hd router is pretty beast from what i've heard
15:44 <@JollyRgrs> "oh dang, i'll have to head over at 3am to fix that"
15:44 < jaelae> logicmonitor has the worst UI
15:44 < jaelae> in the world
15:44 < alazare619> its basically a UAP AC (not the lite) antenna + edge router capabilities
15:44 < hxcsp> lol
15:44 < jaelae> if you want to move servers you are monitoring into another folder its horrific
15:44 <@JollyRgrs> jaelae: was it made in vb6?
15:44 < Nightcinder> i use an ER-4 + uap-ac-pro
15:44 < Nightcinder> so no reason to change
15:44 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: how featurefull is it
15:44 < jaelae> nah i mean its html5 i think
15:44 < abakedapplepie> i want something that will do a vpn
15:44 < abakedapplepie> my tplink archer wont
15:45 < Nightcinder> any edgerouter can do a vpn
15:45 < alazare619> not as featurefull as ER from what i've seen but more so then most routers
15:45 < jaelae> looks nice but if you want to add a new VM to monitor you have to drag it into another folder and you have to navigate through a ton of crap
15:45 < abakedapplepie> i didnt realize the amplifi shit is only $150
15:45 < alazare619> somewhere between one of those ARM based alien spaceship looking routers and an ER or Mikrotik
15:45 < abakedapplepie> im assuming its a lot better than these UFO inspired routers people have come out with lately
15:45 < abakedapplepie> i love the front speed display too
15:46 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: don't be dissin my unifi APs
15:46 < alazare619> abakedapplepie:  it also comes in black for super fast
15:46 < alazare619> insert another racist black joke here
15:46 < abakedapplepie> LMFAO i didnt even realize that would apply to the unifi
15:46 < abakedapplepie> no i meant the stupid nighthawks and shit
15:46 < abakedapplepie> modern sci fi UFOs not 50s UFOs :P
15:46 <@JollyRgrs> oh, so stealth fighter lookin routers
15:47 <@JollyRgrs> we have IFO's that look like the nighthawk
15:47 < khelpw> I liken them to robot spiders, with all the antennae looking like legs
15:47 < alazare619> abakedapplepie: right right, yea the amplifi router looks to be the middle ground i've been looking for i'm between it and setting up a hAP mesh using mikrotik my biggest gripe with mikrotik is how much of a pain in the ass doing nat is on it...
15:48 < abakedapplepie> im way too much of a unifi fanboy to consider microtik
15:48 < sadbox> I've got a unifi AP which I'm pretty happy with
15:48 < sadbox> But I didn't do the whole controller thing
15:48 < alazare619> i've owned both...both have pro's and cons
15:48 < abakedapplepie> just the ease of use and support is
15:48 < sadbox> just used their app
15:48 < hxcsp> my unifi ap bricked
15:48 < hxcsp> or i bricked it or something idk
15:48 < abakedapplepie> how
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: did you recently update?
15:48 < hxcsp> i forget, it was a few months ago
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> did it brick after update?E
15:49 < hxcsp> i tried to factory reset it etc, but cant get it to
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> there was an issue i ran into when i updated last
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> messes up with the string it uses to connect to the controller
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> you gotta ssh into the AP and change it
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> does it just show red/disconnected?
15:50 < alazare619> right now i'm just tired of running the ER then plus an AP just to get wifi id like to do the mesh to get wifi as my ONT is on 1 side of my house on the other side i have 0 wifi so I either have to run cat5e/6 across the house and do a drop for a second AP (house is a rental and i dont really wana climb into the attic with blown insulation) or pay someone to do that...other option is a mesh network which can easily
15:50 < alazare619> be transported if i move
15:50 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: i cant find the AP on my network anywhere when connecting it :P that was the issue
15:50 < hxcsp> or i would be able to ssh to it
15:51 < sadbox> alazare619: I just strung the cable along the baseboards
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: what did you do it to trick UBNT?
15:51 < alazare619> hxcsp:  easy solution check your arp table of your router
15:51 < hxcsp> it flashes like its supposed to reset?
15:51 < alazare619> sadbox:  yea with kids not an option :P
15:51 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: i think trying to reset it i did. not 100% sure
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: sure it is
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> use some masking tape to hold it in the edge
15:52 < alazare619> not with my wife
15:52 < sadbox> alazare619: would they mess w/ it or something? I used cable tacks
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> or just barely tuck it under the baseboard
15:52 < alazare619> i woo she throws a knife at me
15:52 < alazare619> idk what she would do if i had a network cable 50 feet long across the baseboard
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: do hard 30-30-30 resets or whatever work on UAPs?
15:52 < alazare619> probably more like 150 feet
15:53 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: not sure. i was just following what was on their forums
15:53 < sadbox> alazare619: I just let my wife have shitty wifi for a while and suddenly she was totally fine with the cables
15:53 < alazare619> lmao
15:53 < alazare619> yea my wife knows how to trouble shoot
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: tried actually contacting support?
15:54 < abakedapplepie> i wish i had authority to fire
15:54 < alazare619> her primary os on her device is fedora 28 with xfce
15:54 <+giant_it_burrit> alazare619: i woo she throws a knife at you
15:54 < abakedapplepie> this guy sucks
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: you gotta FIGHT
15:54 <+giant_it_burrit> its wonderful
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> FOR YOUR RIGHT
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> TO FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE
15:54 < alazare619> giant_it_burrit: right...
15:54 < abakedapplepie> third time this week that this guy asked me what an error message was
15:54 < abakedapplepie> the most literal error messages
15:54 < abakedapplepie> like "do exactly what the error says"
15:54 < abakedapplepie> it GIVES YOU THE PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION
15:54 < abakedapplepie> READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
15:55 < sadbox> alazare619: It blows my mind to think that someone is both willing to deal with linux and unwilling to have an ethernet cable around
15:55 < alazare619> enter is not a substitution for a.
15:55 < alazare619> sadbox:  she is very very picky
15:55 < alazare619> but she cooks amazing
15:55 < sadbox> to teach their own I suppose
15:55 < alazare619> so i deal with it...bonus points she does my landaury and folds it..
15:55 < coderphive> bruh
15:56 < abakedapplepie> wow
15:56 < abakedapplepie> you got the laundry model
15:56 < coderphive> infra coders try to make things so complicated
15:56 < abakedapplepie> nice
15:56 < sadbox> coderphive: #devops
15:56 < coderphive> bad joke is bad
15:57 < coderphive> I just caught a dude trying to store JWT's in secrets management
15:57 < coderphive> like... why?
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> jwt?
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> secrets mgmt?
15:57 < coderphive> json web token
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> oh
15:58 <@JollyRgrs> lol
15:58 < coderphive> secrets management is vault
15:58 < coderphive> basically a place where you can store a bunch of application specific credentials
15:58 < coderphive> then from my app I can call an API and auth to that service right away
15:59 < coderphive> also has some built in policies and protections for closing the vault when it's compromised
15:59 < Hunterkll> lol what
15:59 < Hunterkll> you can develop B&W film using orange juice or coffee?
15:59 <+ihre> developers trying to make things so complicated, writing a python script which unlocks kms and then pushes secrets to a dediated namespace ><
15:59 < Hunterkll> that's hilaroius
15:59 <+ihre> including jwt's
15:59 <+ihre> ffs
15:59 < coderphive> ihre so you've seen this too?
15:59 <+ihre> use vault instead, noo, too complicated
15:59 < coderphive> like it takes <100ms to get a jwt
15:59 <+ihre> yeah, but not by infra guys, but the developers
16:00 < alazare619> sadbox: btw she prefers fedora over windows she also taught herself linux
16:00 < coderphive> idk, how I set Vault up is simple
16:00 < coderphive> but I view that as part of my job
16:01 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: no i havent contacted support, it hasnt really been a priority.  It was an extra one we had lying around the office i took home to use so its not the new V2 ones.  not sure how much more effort ill put into it before i buy a new one
16:01 <+ihre> oOoOoOo now i have to account for expiring tokens, cant get that in my sprint, we'll continue the way it is
16:01 <+ihre> well go fuck yourself
16:01 < MadCamel> heh. try storing secrets when you have regulatory burdens.. vault is not nearly good enough
16:02 < alazare619> sadbox: one day i asked her why her response was...well if i want to install something i just fire up terminal sudo yum search <something> if its there i sudo yum install..in windows i have to go to the website find it...verify its not infected with some malware...double cick...ignore all the prompts that come up...confirm again i want to install click some more prompts...then find it in the start menu its just
16:02 < alazare619> dumb
16:02 < coderphive> MadCamel I mean, there's banks using Vault...
16:03 < coderphive> Can you be more specific?
16:04 < coderphive> I've also noticed that people and companies frequently over complicate auditing and regulation (not to say you are)
16:04 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: tbh, her reasoning is just dumb
16:05 < coderphive> but I gave a talk recently where a guy didn't notice you could get around PCI Audits using CICD
16:05 < niklasye> MadCamel what is it that vault doesn't do well/secure enough?
16:05 < humpaxx> Hey team
16:05 <@JollyRgrs> if she can teach herself linux, she should be able to understand the pros AND cons of linux vs windows like that
16:05 < alazare619> JollyRgrs: there was like an hour long conversation to it but that was the gist of it..there was other reasons but she also is somewhere between a power user and just a web surfer
16:05 < MadCamel> Eh, we're required to use HSMs. vault is essentially a kickass HSM itself, but since it doesn't come in a physical box we can't use it.
16:06 < coderphive> JollyRgrs to add onto that, there's still a lot of things _not_ in package management
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> i agree, i love the "install from repo" easily thing... but it isn't that hard to find the website either... you should be DLing from the official site, so no worries about virus
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: correct
16:06 < niklasye> MadCamel Ah I see
16:06 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: not knockin her choice... if iwasn't gaming, i'd probably be on linux for my desktop again
16:06 < alazare619> JollyRgrs: where either OS could suit her needs she doesnt need full bash support or ssh etc or code and wants to use vim etc
16:06 < GreyKite> even on windows, I like choco
16:06 < F34RInc> ^
16:06 < coderphive> I think what makes Linux great is you have access to the whole OS - to fuck yourself or make your life better
16:07 < coderphive> Plus the CLI is top notch
16:07 <@JollyRgrs> ^
16:07 < GreyKite> powershell is growing on me
16:07 < alazare619> JollyRgrs:  thats exactly why too she isnt a gamer and just wants a machine that doesnt slow down with time or random updates make it completely inopperable it was more of a preference vs one being the better choice for use
16:07 < niklasye> the windows manager in windows is just not good enough to be used for work :(
16:07 < GreyKite> but zsh is bae
16:07 < niklasye> ironically
16:07 < GreyKite> yeah, I'm pretty in love with awesome
16:07 < coderphive> MadCamel is that instituted by an agency or your company?
16:07 < alazare619> now why fedora over say debian or centos don't ask me :P
16:08 < alazare619> i think that was more aesthetics choice possible?
16:08 < coderphive> MadCamel I've seen some policies like that around OS choice
16:08 <+ihre> i'd pick fedora over both for a desktop
16:08 < niklasye> GreyKite I like i3 myself but I'm sure I would like awesome too
16:08 <+ihre> the other way around for a server, in favor of centos
16:08 < coderphive> MadCamel Can't defeat old thinking :\
16:08 < Heresiarch> alazare619: probably newer/faster packages.
16:08 < coderphive> You guys should check out Kubuntu 18.04
16:08 <+ihre> No
16:08 <+ihre> gtfo
16:08 < coderphive> I setup a pairing station with it
16:08 < coderphive> It's amazing
16:08 < abakedapplepie> centos is a bit odd of a desktop os choice
16:08 < alazare619> Heresiarch:  could of been why never really asked but when i used fedora i got tired of doing full upgrades every 6 months
16:08 <+ihre> i3 4 life
16:08 < coderphive> ihre fight me
16:08 < GreyKite> niklasye: the biggest difference between i3 and awesome is which you started on :D
16:09 < Hunterkll> god damn
16:09 < Hunterkll> well
16:09 < Hunterkll> i think i've got everything
16:09 < Heresiarch> alazare619: sure. But if you're just starting out in linux (esp on desktop), you don't mind as much.
16:09 < Hunterkll> i'm back in business as they say
16:09 <+giant_it_burrit> ?
16:09 < coderphive> Hold the phone
16:09 < coderphive> Who here is an Arch user?
16:09 <+ihre> GreyKite: and the predefined layouts of awm vs whatever you want on i3
16:09 < coderphive> I feel it's strange they haven't told us yet
16:09 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: so now you use windwos and do full upgrades every 6 mo?
16:09 < alazare619> coderphive:  i ran arch for about 2.5 years with btrfs
16:09 <+giant_it_burrit> Hunterkll:
16:09 < Heresiarch> alazare619: I used to use gentoo in college, and I thought it was just the absolute shit when I had to recompile the new shiny packages.
16:09 < alazare619> JollyRgrs:  ironic right?
16:09 <+ihre> i run arch, but why should you care :p
16:09 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit,
16:09 < coderphive> What's the allure in running arch alazare619
16:10 <+giant_it_burrit> what biz Hunterkll
16:10 < Hunterkll> photo
16:10 < coderphive> like, when I work on servers and automation all day I hate fucking around with my own environment
16:10 < alazare619> coderphive:  aur is probably the only real positive aspect of arch
16:10 < MadCamel> former arch user, got tired of my workstation being a project every time I'd update packages. I just want it to work, so I can do work, so went back to debian-stable
16:10 < Hunterkll> i've got a camera that sounds like a goddamn machine gun and a shitload of everything else coming
16:10 < GreyKite> ihre: well, sure, it gives you some presets but you can modify them
16:10 <@JollyRgrs> GreyKite: i am sad, i was just about to get into either i3 or awesome (couldn't decide) when i ended up switching back to Windows
16:10 < coderphive> ah
16:10 <+ihre> GreyKite: lua right?
16:10 < Hunterkll> enlightenment DR16
16:10 < Hunterkll> was the best DE ever
16:10 < Hunterkll> duh
16:10 < GreyKite> ihre: yes
16:10 < Hunterkll> fuck DR17
16:10 < alazare619> coderphive: altho you could just use one of the variants with a DE etc all setup out of the box and have aur enabled out of the box too
16:10 < MadCamel> agreed Hunterkll
16:10 < GreyKite> JollyRgrs: what turned you back to Windows?
16:11 <@JollyRgrs> gaming
16:11 < coderphive> alazare619 That makes sense
16:11 < GreyKite> Fair enough
16:11 <@JollyRgrs> yeah :/
16:11 < Hunterkll> heh
16:11 < Hunterkll> Windows 8 turned me back to widnows
16:11 <+ihre> what fucking around though ? set it up once, do it right, update packages daily/weekly, and youre good to go?
16:11 <@JollyRgrs> other than that, i had my laptop (With BD drive) doing AnyDVD on windows, while my desktop was linux
16:11 < Hunterkll> Win8 was the first time MS got their heads out their asses and started fixing architectural and security model issues... nevermind performance
16:11 < coderphive> alazare619 aur vs apt?
16:11 <+ihre> that isnt a comparisment
16:11 <+ihre> it should be aur vs ppa
16:11 < alazare619> coderphive:  aur is arch user repository
16:11 < coderphive> ah
16:11 < humpaxx> Guys i have to send a picutre of my screen with the dead pixel to Dell
16:12 < alazare619> coderphive:  if you are interested in arch look at antegros
16:12 < coderphive> that makes sense
16:12 <@JollyRgrs> humpaxx: take a screenshot :P
16:12 < humpaxx> But the pixel isn´t in my screenshots??
16:12 < humpaxx> JollyRgrs: I did
16:12 <@JollyRgrs> humpaxx: mspaint it in
16:12 < alazare619> its basically turn key arch think linux mint to ubuntu
16:12 <@JollyRgrs> just count the dots and put it in the appropriate place
16:12 < humpaxx> JollyRgrs: idk that kinda feels like fraud
16:12 < coderphive> alazare619 tbh I'd always been turned off by arch itself, but I'll check it out
16:12 <@JollyRgrs> humpaxx: pls tell me you are kidding me
16:12 <+ihre> and if you actually need to write a PKGBUILD file (which you hardly ever need to), its basically bash
16:12 <@JollyRgrs> too many idiots IRL this morning :(
16:13 <@JollyRgrs> i may be fat, but my patience is thing
16:13 < MadCamel> if Arch works for you hey, cool. I found that when updating weekly I'd have to find and fix problems at least once a month. I even had an update render my machine unbootable, that was no fun. Otherwise I liked it just fine.
16:13 < alazare619> https://antergos.com/ its a live installable arch coderphive  with aur and everything basic arch last i checked just drops you to a cli and tells you "good luck"
16:13 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  Antergos | Your Linux. Always Fresh. Never Frozen.
16:13 < humpaxx> JollyRgrs: Yes
16:13 < coderphive> JollyRgrs I am actually an idiot and take offense to your statement.
16:13 <+ihre> https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=vault-bin
16:13 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  PKGBUILD - aur.git - AUR Package Repositories
16:13 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: offense meant. objective complete
16:13 <@JollyRgrs> humpaxx: sorry, trying to figure out what happened with SCCM...
16:13 < coderphive> alazare619 haha, that's the way I always imagined it
16:14 < Heresiarch> coderphive: loving immutable doesn't make you an idiot, it just makes you special. ^_^
16:14 < coderphive> alazare619 GLHF lolol
16:14 <@JollyRgrs> my report of low disk space... i had it set for 2 * 1024 to check for less than 2 GB space
16:14 <+ihre> checksums wrong? update version, updpkgsums and youre done ;p
16:14 < NSV> alazare619: Sorry, had to step away, but yes. It's crazy. I'm tasked with maintaining and building web forms from raw html/css/js + random libraries if needed, doing help desk and desktop support for mac, pc, and 3 linux users. Managing NTFS and AD permissions. Managing the Print Server with 90 printers. Managing our imaging server with 20+ images. Meanwhile, the guy that makes 10% less than me who handles only desktop support 
16:14 <@JollyRgrs> at some point a few months ago, the report went from single digits to bascailly all 10k computers
16:14 < coderphive> Heresiarch haha, I think you guys misunderstand me. I'm not an immutable evangelical. I just praise using immutability and config management where appropriate.
16:14 <@JollyRgrs> somehow the raw data is now coming in with * 1024 already
16:14 <@JollyRgrs> err, more
16:15 <@JollyRgrs> so i was looking at all PCs with less than 2TB space free
16:15 < alazare619> NSV:  thats IT for you
16:15 < coderphive> Heresiarch tldr; I don't immutable datastores
16:15 <@JollyRgrs> now i gotta figure out what all else was affected
16:15 < Heresiarch> coderphive: heh. It's hilarious how many go full koolaid on that one. XD
16:15 < coderphive> Heresiarch it's how people learn
16:15 < Heresiarch> "k8s is fucking awesome for postgres!"
16:16 < coderphive> Heresiarch actually, because my company uses datalakes we have looked at moving our datastores to k8s
16:16 < coderphive> Heresiarch that's also because our datastores can be rebuilt from scratch
16:17 < kuahara> Doubt I'll find an answer here, but lets see if anyone can wrap their head around this.  We have case documents stored on a linux server in .htm format.  They contain variables that are populated with case specific information when the user goes to print them.
16:17 < coderphive> Heresiarch also notable; that's an edgecase
16:17 < kuahara> Two counties in particular have a super frequently recurring issue where they will go to print these documents and heading will just be a bunch of garbage and various parts of the document aren't generated properly.  To fix this, I literally download the document from the server, open it in notepad++, save it without making any changes, then upload it back again, overwriting the existing
16:17 < kuahara> copy.
16:17 < kuahara> That's it.  Everything works great again, but usually only for a day before someone else has to repeat that process.
16:17 <+ihre> Heresiarch: https://kubernetes.io/docs/tasks/run-application/run-replicated-stateful-application/ is pretty cool actually, run a batch job to create backups to a seperate pv
16:17 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  Run a Replicated Stateful Application - Kubernetes
16:17 < Heresiarch> coderphive: makes sense. If you can rebuild state at will, then what you're running isn't particularly stateful.
16:18 <+ihre> also ran a pretty big ES cluster as a statefulset at my previous company
16:18 < NSV> alazare619: I can almost deal with the heavy workload. What I don't like is the fact that the people who handle, and only know how to handle just that, just one section of IT, make as much or more than me.
16:19 < coderphive> ES makes me shudder now
16:19 <+giant_it_burrit> anyone use crowd strike?
16:19 < coderphive> I spent too many days troubleshooting shitty calls to ES
16:19 < Heresiarch> ihre: pinning stateful containers to instances and shared/instance-exposed with an orchestration layer is kinda pointless. Old saying: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining."
16:19 < NSV> alazare619: The director is a business major and understands computers on the level of my grandma, so he cannot objectively quantify the value of each employee below him. So thats fun.
16:19 < Heresiarch> *shared/instance-exposed storage
16:20 < hexmonkey> sup
16:20 < coderphive> meh
16:20 < coderphive> look
16:20 < JFDkthx> hexmonkey: sup
16:20 < coderphive> containers are meant to be immutable
16:20 < coderphive> Yes you can stick block storage on them
16:21 < JFDkthx> coderphive: i wish you were mutable
16:21 < coderphive> Should you depend on that?
16:21 < JFDkthx> ravioli: pls
16:21 < coderphive> idk, probably not
16:21 < coderphive> JFDkthx me too
16:22 < coderphive> Also, not long ago I caught a dude on reddit FTP'ing into a container and uploading his apache conf
16:22 < coderphive> please don't do dis
16:22 < Heresiarch> coderphive: ROFL
16:22 < Hunterkll> dear god i think i've spent like
16:22 < Heresiarch> oh, that's going to give me the giggles all damn day.
16:22 < Hunterkll> a lot of money
16:22 < felda> lmao had a super dummy moment.  wanted to check a drive on a server I was RDP into.  Kept clicking the file explorer on my own task bar and wondering where the drive went lmao
16:23 < coderphive> https://www.reddit.com/r/docker/comments/8n8xh1/how_to_enable_cors_on_a_standard_apachephp/
16:23 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  How to enable CORS on a standard Apache/PHP container? I'm stuck : docker
16:23 < coderphive> Not kidding
16:23 < hexmonkey> coderphive: i'm still getting used to the container paradigm - which part of the FTP anecdote was wrong? the change or the FTP?
16:23 < Hunterkll> 5 32oz chemical storage bottles, two reel developing tank, 2 rolls of 800 cinestill tungsten, 3 rolls of portra 800, 25 film canisters, 3 rolls of HP5, 2 1 gallon chemical storage containers, 1 gal mix B&W fixer, white balance card set, pixel fsk remote shutter wireless, film changing bag, 52mm wide angle conversion lens, bottle opener, d-76 developer powder 1 gal, 50 antistatic bags, 25 archival storage sheets, digital
16:23 < Hunterkll> thermometer, C-41 powder kit, stop bath B&W
16:24 < Hunterkll> and that's just what i orderd just now
16:24 < Hunterkll> -_-
16:24 < Hunterkll> not what's already arriving today and tomorrow
16:24 < felda> also new Kanye album out
16:24 < Hatter> I don't much care for that Kanye fella
16:24 < asimon> s/C-41/C-4
16:24 < Hunterkll> lol
16:24 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon/Hunterkll] thermometer, C-4 powder kit, stop bath B&W
16:24 < felda> yeah I'm having a hard time separating the artist from the art right now
16:24 < hexmonkey> coderphive: is it that the container is configured when it's created and any further configuration should be a new container that replaces the old one?
16:24 <+ihre> Heresiarch: i dont agree, split es into master/search/data nodes, only the latter have to scale horizontally, and so does elasticsearch, given a pattern of increased load between 1600 and 2000, why bother always allocating full resources when you could have it scale up/down by itself?
16:25 < coderphive> hexmonkey yeah, when you create a container you should not modify it after
16:25 < Hatter> felda: well I've started to like him more since he's gone a bit crazy and started trolling everyone
16:25 < coderphive> hexmonkey aka "immutable"
16:25 < Heresiarch> hexmonkey: what's the difference between a container where you make changes to it, and a VM/instance?
16:25 < coderphive> hexmonkey also a big thing about containers is that they should really only run one application
16:25 < felda> Hatter was Roseanna just trolling too :P
16:26 < coderphive> hexmonkey in Docker and containerd pid 1 is what it's designed to produce logs for
16:26 < Casteil> gahhhh
16:27 < Heresiarch> ihre: sharded/horizontal-scale apps (such as ELK/ES) automatically replicate data and onboard new members to clustering anyway, so it doesn't matter if they have separate storage (or ephemeral compute/storage assignment).
16:27 < Casteil> not too happy with this retailer
16:27 <+TuxedoJack> Love it when the telecom guys fuck up a router so bad that it fucking fails to boot
16:27 <+TuxedoJack> God damn it
16:27 < hexmonkey> Heresiarch: that's the part I'm still learning - so the idea is that if you need to reconfigure something, the original container is replaced with a new one?
16:27 < Hatter> felda: I believe roseanne didn't know she was making fun of a black person
16:27 <+ihre> Heresiarch: maybe not in terms of the application that runs it, but if you always account for full load, so does your bill
16:27 < Casteil> ordered a milwaukee weedwacker+blower combo, got a ship notification tuesday evening, they didn't actually ship it until wednesday night.. delivered today but only half the order (no indication of that in the shipment notification)
16:28 < Heresiarch> hexmonkey: yup. The point of containers is to basically ship a complete app such that the underlying OS doesn't have to care (except for exposing bits of the container to the rest of the world). Otherwise, you're just loading an unnecessarily layer into your app stack.
16:29 < Hatter> roseanne said she thought the lady was jewish
16:29 < coderphive> Heresiarch be careful with "complete app"
16:29 <+giant_it_burrit> Hunterkll: JollyRgrs how is sccm end point protect for linux/mac
16:29 < hexmonkey> my practical exposure to containers is some floundering around in a home lab on RancherOS
16:29 < coderphive> Heresiarch I would say, "one app"
16:30 < coderphive> hexmonkey Then you're ahead of most
16:30 < coderphive> The Rancher guys are good people
16:30 < sadbox> yall have some very narrow views of what a container is / should be
16:30 < coderphive> sadbox present your view
16:30 < Heresiarch> ihre: load scaling is orthogonal to data architecture. The same statement would apply to both a trad RDBMS and nosql, but in completely different ways.
16:30 < humpaxx> sadbox: a metal box that you put stuff in
16:30 < Hatter> giant_it_burrit: endpoint protection for linux? I had no idea it existed
16:31 < sadbox> it's just another way of isolating/managing resources, something being immutable, stateless, whatever is orthogonal to how you deal with it's resources
16:31 < hexmonkey> coderphive: I think I have still gone in and reconfigured something via console in one of the Apache Guacamole containers
16:31 < humpaxx> Man i havent seen trapdoor in days
16:31 < humpaxx> were he at?
16:31 <+ihre> on a boat
16:31 < sadbox> For instance: jails in bsd are great for shipping sometimes whole sets of apps
16:31 < coderphive> sadbox that's partially true but somewhat not
16:31 < humpaxx> ihre: a boat?
16:31 < sadbox> docker containers can run a -stack-, which is also fine
16:31 < Heresiarch> coderphive: fair statement. "Complete" probably could have been "Discrete" instead.
16:31 < sadbox> VMs can run an immutable-ish service
16:32 < coderphive> Heresiarch ++
16:32 < coderphive> Right
16:32 < coderphive> You can run fully immutable VM's
16:32 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, for mac, entirely un managed, SCEP is, on linux, you need SCOM to manage it
16:32 < corn266> "wow #--sysadmin is quiet today" --someone who forgets to join the channel
16:32 < sadbox> Immutable is (generally) good, and unrelated to containers
16:32 < coderphive> sadbox I don't think anyone said that containers are all about immutability
16:33 < sadbox> coderphive: you're been prescribing what people should run in them, only one app, etc
16:33 < MadCamel> yup in a very high load environment it's sensible to netboot the application servers with a read-only filesystem, don't need containers to be immutable
16:33 < sadbox> It's totally valid / fine to use them like a VM too
16:33 < coderphive> sadbox yes, because that's how it's made
16:33 < sadbox> coderphive: except it's not
16:33 < coderphive> Citation?
16:34 < Casteil> is it a bad sign that I'm impressed by someone finally not asking the same questions over and over again?
16:34 < hexmonkey> rancherOS makes it possible to access and change the conteiners in the stack for a given application
16:34 < sadbox> coderphive: there was a whole world of people using LXC to provide vm-style hosting prior to docker existing
16:34 < hexmonkey> s/conteiners/containers/
16:34 <+layer-eight> [SED hexmonkey] rancherOS makes it possible to access and change the containers in the stack for a given application
16:34 < Casteil> (context: the chick that this guy replaced would, quite frequently, ask the same exact question and somehow forget the answer the next time the issue came up)
16:34 < sadbox> coderphive: and OpenVZ
16:34 < coderphive> sadbox https://blog.docker.com/2016/03/containers-are-not-vms/
16:34 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Containers are not VMs - Docker Blog
16:35 < coderphive> sadbox And we figured out why that's a bad idea
16:35 < JFDkthx> any ansible wizards spare a second to sanity check something for me
16:35 < Heresiarch> JFDkthx: shoot
16:35 < sadbox> coderphive: docker is just another managment engine for linux namespaces, they can be an opinionated one
16:35 < technonerd> Glorified chroot
16:36 < JFDkthx> Heresiarch: hold on trying to find an alternative to pastebin
16:36 < coderphive> sadbox okay, well you continue using containers like VM's
16:37 < hexmonkey> JFDkthx: you could spin up a container with a pastebin alternative?
16:37 < alazare619> anyone in here have an android double din car stereo
16:37 < JFDkthx> fuk off
16:37 < coderphive> sadbox Doesn't really say that the way I use containers is "limited" by any means
16:37 < alazare619> kill yourself JFDkthx
16:37 < coderphive> sadbox I just use them as prescribed
16:37 < alazare619> everyone would be happier if you died so do us all the favor
16:37 < technonerd> Android based or a tablet?
16:37 < sadbox> coderphive: I'm just saying that you're conflating containers and ways of managing apps
16:38 <+giant_it_burrit> Hunterkll: how is it tho
16:38 < alazare619> technonerd:  they have double din touch screen radios now with android
16:38 <@Code_Man65> alazare619:  That isn't even remotely kosher
16:38 < JFDkthx> alazare619: what are you even on about right not
16:38 < technonerd> I've seen tablets used a couple of. Times
16:38 < JFDkthx> now
16:38 < JFDkthx> have i even talked to you today
16:38 < AnimalFarmPig> Dockers are containers in the same way that Android phones are Linux
16:38 < ravioli> don't be a dick alazare619
16:38 < coderphive> sadbox The platform you run something on entirely has to do with how you manage it
16:38 < technonerd> Get all their gauges on 8t
16:38 < technonerd> It
16:39 < alazare619> its the truth worst thing about the last 50 years is JFDkthx being born not sure why the troll isn't fucking banned after going on a rant about 30 mins calling my son a fag
16:39 < JFDkthx> what?
16:39 < Hatter> bit harsh
16:39 < alazare619> fuck you, you piece of shit
16:39 < JFDkthx> when did that happen?
16:39 < Hatter> I wanted to hear that
16:39 < Hatter> JFDkthx: why did you say that about his son?
16:40 < hexmonkey> what the shit
16:40 < Hunterkll> jesus christ
16:40 < Hunterkll> what the fuck happened
16:40 < Hunterkll> i guess i need to add more names to my website
16:40 < ravioli> nothing happened
16:40 < Hatter> well we don't get to know, because of CENSORSHIP
16:40 < Casteil> y'all mothafuckas need jesus
16:40 < Hunterkll> https://www.hugebuttholes.com
16:40 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
16:40 < JFDkthx> i have legit no idea what he's talking about.
16:40 < ravioli> dockers are containers right
16:40 < JFDkthx> i certainly dont rant about someone sons being gay
16:40 < ravioli> ?
16:40 < JFDkthx> too low brow for me
16:40 < hxcsp> ravioli: that dock
16:40 < sadbox> coderphive: I'd argue that stateless VMs and stateless containers have more in common than stateful containers and stateless ones :P
16:40 < Hunterkll> ravioli, in a manner of speaking, yes
16:40 < hexmonkey> JFDkthx: were you on ambien at the time?
16:41 < sadbox> coderphive: managment wise
16:41 < AnimalFarmPig> ravioli: in the same way that Android is Linux
16:41 < Hatter> JFDkthx: maybe you did it indirectly, spouting off about homosexuals in general
16:41 < coderphive> sadbox I agree, I frequently argue that point
16:41 < JFDkthx> hexmonkey: i was on that sizzurp
16:41 < ravioli> Hatter: let's drop it
16:41 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, don't you mean Android/Linux
16:41 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: or, as I've taken to calling it, Android+Linux
16:41 < coderphive> sadbox but I've also seen containers run a muck when they're long lived; LXC or not
16:41 < Hatter> ravioli: well it's a mystery now, you've made it worse
16:41 < JFDkthx> Hatter: still not my bag.
16:41 < JFDkthx> sorry
16:41 < sadbox> coderphive: I think we agree
16:41 < hexmonkey> Hunterkll: do you mean Android/GNU/Linux?
16:41 < ravioli> hexmonkey++
16:42 < felda> F34RInc where's that PFBNG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
16:42 < Hunterkll> hexmonkey, nah, no real gnu userland footprint in android
16:42 < coderphive> sadbox probably
16:42 < coderphive> also
16:42 < F34RInc> felda, you talking about final and not dev
16:42 < felda> yeah
16:42 < F34RInc> how long did I tell you about the dev build
16:42 < coderphive> Can we stop for a second
16:42 < coderphive> I just witnessed my first ban
16:42 < felda> I'm not gonna run DEV in production anymore lel
16:42 < coderphive> Pizza party on me
16:43 < hexmonkey> coderphive: wait who got bant?
16:43 < Hatter> no one
16:43 < ravioli> Hunterkll: well then why do they call it android/gnu/linux?
16:43 < ravioli> checkmate.
16:43 < coderphive> [09:39:40] Code_Man65 sets mode +q alazare619!*@*
16:43 < JFDkthx> thats nat a ban
16:43 < JFDkthx> u dorf
16:43 < coderphive> o
16:43 <@Code_Man65> No, that's a timeout
16:43 < coderphive> irc newblett
16:43 < AnimalFarmPig> +q is mute
16:43 < hexmonkey> i think i shut off those messages in irssi
16:43 < Hunterkll> ravioli, who the hell calls it that
16:43 <@JollyRgrs> Q...
16:43 <@JollyRgrs> Q...
16:43 <@JollyRgrs> QBAN
16:43 <+ihre> Heresiarch: i think i might have a too narrow/uneducated view on data arch to have a valid answer, but for instance, with a rdbms like mysql, having more read replicas helps decreasing query times right? so why not have read replicas scale on load to share the burden?
16:43 < AnimalFarmPig> mute
16:44 <@JollyRgrs> makes sense
16:44 < AnimalFarmPig> qmute
16:44 <@JollyRgrs> QUIET
16:44 < coderphive> JollyRgrs pfban
16:44 < coderphive> rip
16:44 < ravioli> i'm about to pfban all of you
16:44 < Hunterkll> lol
16:44 <@JollyRgrs> /set mode +pfban coderphive
16:44 < asimon> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/channelmodes
16:44 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  Channel modes - freenode
16:44 < Hunterkll> ravioli, so you're going to grossly misconfigure the ban so that the people being bant stay and everyone else is thrown out? :)
16:44 < coderphive> JollyRgrs kek
16:44 < coderphive> if only
16:45 < Hatter> ban *!*@*
16:45 < Hatter> let's see what happens
16:45 <@JollyRgrs> ok
16:45 < Hunterkll> ha
16:45 < JFDkthx> gotem
16:45 <@JollyRgrs> interesting
16:45 < AnimalFarmPig> protip: if you ever accidentally royally screw up bans on a channel, you can `/cs clear #channel` to reset permissions
16:45 < Hatter> you said ok but then did something different
16:45 <@JollyRgrs> it autofilled the rest of the string
16:46 < MrLemur> I'm being thick. Is there an obvious GPO for mapping the home drive for an AD user? Ever since I've been here, we copy an AD user as a template which I assume copies the profile path.
16:46 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, its not working
16:46 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, wait, goddammit, that was the wrong chanserv command
16:46 < AnimalFarmPig> or the right one
16:47 < Hunterkll> lol
16:47 < Hunterkll> would get rid of a lot of bots here
16:47 < Hunterkll> i bet
16:47 < Heresiarch> ihre: it's not a problem in isolation, but most apps don't include provision for having read-only functionality - they expect rw. That's why most trad RDBMS' run in some form of A/B failover (or have some level of multi-master replication).
16:47 < coderphive> rdms makes me sad
16:47 < AnimalFarmPig> /cs clear #channel users
16:47 < coderphive> I want a cluster that can alternate masters
16:48 <+ihre> which is why you have different services based on top of such a stateful set and have one for reads, another for writes
16:48 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: so, Percona XtraDB or MariaDB with galera replication, question still stands
16:48 < MadCamel> maria/galera. percona's lost most of it's edge, mariadb takes it's good ideas and merges them now
16:48 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: that's what galera replication provides for Percona/MariaDB
16:48 < coderphive> ooo
16:48 < coderphive> I'll check that out
16:49 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: falls under "some form of multi-master replication". Same for the more exotic stuff like cockroach.
16:49 < Heresiarch> ihre: if you architect your services as such, it's fine and dandy. But that's not the way most apps are set up.
16:50 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: ihre was asking about scaling out rdbmses, no?
16:50 < MadCamel> galera works really well. need 3+ servers in the cluster. It does transparent multi-master with no strange issues and recovery when a cluster-member breaks is usually a cinch
16:50 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: advocating use-cases of k8s/containers for RDBMSen.
16:50 < coderphive> wow
16:50 <+ihre> AnimalFarmPig: nah, was more in favor of running something like an rdbms or nosql on top of k8s
16:50 < coderphive> Why had I not heard of this
16:52 < AnimalFarmPig> ahh... ok
16:52 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, galera replication is awesome <3
16:53 <+ihre> until you the IST fails :3
16:53 < sadbox> MadCamel: https://aphyr.com/posts/327-jepsen-mariadb-galera-cluster   <- did they ever fix those issues
16:53 <+layer-eight> * sadbox →  Jepsen: MariaDB Galera Cluster
16:54 < coderphive> I've used Perconadb before
16:54 < coderphive> It was decent
16:54 <@JollyRgrs> geez... wtf is pastebin doing?
16:54 <@JollyRgrs> their ads are getting more and more intrusive
16:54 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, pastebin.ca
16:54 <+ihre> dpaste/fpaste/ix
16:55 < Hatsjoe> Why even use pastebin? Just host your own hastebin, way better :P
16:55 <+ihre> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/
16:55 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  Modern Paste
16:55 <@JollyRgrs> Hatsjoe: so at least i can get ads about tim hortons?
16:55 < MadCamel> sadbox: http://galeracluster.com/documentation-webpages/isolationlevels.html I believe so.
16:55 <+layer-eight> * MadCamel →  Isolation Levels — Galera Cluster Documentation
16:55 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, nah, it's just better overall
16:55 < JFDkthx> s/hastebin/hatsbin
16:55 <+layer-eight> [SED JFDkthx/Hatsjoe] Why even use pastebin? Just host your own hatsbin, way better :P
16:55 < Hunterkll> it's what i use
16:55 < sadbox> " In multi-master mode, however, you can only use the REPEATABLE-READ level"
16:56 < Hatsjoe> JFDkthx: good point, I am gong to refactor it
16:56 < Hunterkll> wow
16:56 < Hunterkll> what the fuck
16:56 < Hunterkll> https://pastebin.ca/4034858
16:56 <@JollyRgrs> Hatsjoe: why even host my own? i don't keep random servers with domains ready to hand out to the pubelic
16:56 < Hatsjoe> s/gong/going/
16:56 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  pastebin - Hunt and Kill Germans - post number 4034858
16:56 <+layer-eight> [SED Hatsjoe] JFDkthx: good point, I am going to refactor it
16:56 < Hunterkll> there's some weird shit on pastebin.ca today
16:56 < MadCamel> cockroachdb is where it's really at for new projects. They almost have the CAP theorem solved.
16:56 < Hatsjoe> JollyRgrs: you can use mine, paste.devrobs.nl
16:57 < MadCamel> ah I guess I didn't read closely enough. I'm not using galera for anything that requires full consistency so I wasn't even aware of the issues
16:58 <@JollyRgrs> Hatsjoe: sometimes i wanna post private so the text isn't searchable by others
16:58 <@JollyRgrs> i trust $bigcorp to not care... but not you
16:59 <+ihre> Heresiarch: so back to your original point, "pinning stateful containers to instances and shared/instance-exposed with an orchestration layer is kinda pointless." -> so if accounted for orchestration, you should also make sure reads and writes are split, if not, youre right, but then a follow up would be, why even bother with orchestration on an application layer to begin with?
17:01 < Hatsjoe> JollyRgrs: point taken :P If it is for internal sharing within $company, imo each company should have its own selfhosted pastebin/hastebin/whateverbin
17:01 < Hatsjoe> these days, its nothing more than starting a docker container and you're there.
17:02 <@JollyRgrs> Hatsjoe: not everyone is set up for that stuff
17:02 < Hatsjoe> Well, it can also be some management server or small webserver, doesnt have to be docker
17:02 < Heresiarch> ihre: because there's still a need for multi-container/multi-system orchestration for applications - this was still a problem being worked on well before k8s. But the data layer of an application *must* be accounted for, and it cannot necessarily be addressed with stateless architecture.
17:02 <+ihre> yet a statefulset is ... not stateless
17:03 <+ihre> which is exactly the point of the link i posted..
17:03 < Hatsjoe> I dont know any company which doesnt have some form of internal web services/intranet.. Can be ran alongside that perfectly
17:04 < Heresiarch> ihre: it still requires containers, which by definition are stateless (or able to gain stateful information from other members of an existing cluster). k8s went with a sort of halfway solution of pinning and a single-master + RO architecture. That's a functional definition, but it won't play in the vast majority of app architectures.
17:05 < sadbox> just a reminder that containers are not by definition stateless**
17:05 <+ihre> ^
17:05 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
17:05 < sadbox> containers: just an isolation mechanism (tm)
17:06 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm currently liking a converged application architecture before it's cool. You probably haven't heard of it.
17:06 <@JollyRgrs> Hatsjoe: but not for internal company, just sharing with friends, etc... but it might be help on a script that i may or may not have fully sanitized, etc.
17:06 < corn266> looks like i'm flying out to denver CO tonight 7pm eastern
17:06 < Heresiarch> sadbox: safe definition in real-world application. No sane person is going to have a postgres container, including DB storage, floating around on a cluster.
17:07 < sadbox> Heresiarch: Plenty of people have ran their DB inside BSD jails, you've got to seperate the current popular wave of linux tooling from containers-as-a-concept
17:08 < AnimalFarmPig> or run their Oracle inside Solaris Zones
17:08 <+ihre> and the idea of having db storage on the same epheremal devices as well, it utilized persistent block devices
17:08 < Hatsjoe> JollyRgrs: gotcha
17:08 < Heresiarch> sadbox: absolutely. Hell, I'm sure Oracle Cloud runs a lot of their DBs in zones. But those folk are vastly more sane than the k8s/docker crowd. ^_^
17:08 < Hatsjoe> JollyRgrs: private github gists
17:08 < Hatsjoe> Or do you have to pay to get private gists? not sure...
17:09 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: private gists used to be indexed by google
17:09 <+ihre> not sure if that is still the case
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> i think you have to pay for private
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> but again, i don't have an acct setup... so i'd have to do that just to paste some text
17:10 < Alternity> wow just hit a big net worth milestone.  feelsgood
17:11 < Alternity> #financialsecurity
17:11 < sadbox> #hookersandblow
17:11 < inviz> hi, any GAM experts here? (gsuite management tool)
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> oh
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> i thoguht you meant global access mgmt
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> lol
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> no expert, but i have a few gsuite domains (free ones)
17:12 < inviz> that can mean anything.
17:12 < AnimalFarmPig> Alternity: reward yourself by making an expensive purchase
17:12 <+ihre> Heresiarch: so the limiting factor, by your definition, is the 'vast majority of app architectures', which should be taken into account when working with something like k8s, but meh, you do you
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: then he can reward himself again when he re-hits the milestone
17:12 < Alternity> AnimalFarmPig: i upped my 401k contribut %, does that count?
17:13 < inviz> GAM is great, when i write commands, i feel like talking to someone
17:13 < Heresiarch> ihre: I code to the common case. If the case isn't common, then all bets are off. ;)
17:13 < inviz> like *i am talking to someone
17:13 < Alternity> just wish they had better 401k matching :/
17:13 < Alternity> i dont know why companies dont do better matching.  it's easy employee perk, half your employes won't take advantage so it's cheap
17:14 <@JollyRgrs> more than half won't i figure
17:17 < Hatsjoe> 401k is retirement stuff right?
17:19 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
17:19 < Hatsjoe> How does that work in lame mens terms?
17:19 < AnimalFarmPig> although, I've heard it's possible to take money out of it whenever? So, basically it's a tax deferred savings account?
17:19 < alazare619> so going to be getting hopefully the final 2 parts to get my race car running this week
17:19 < Hatsjoe> Really? Thats possible?
17:20 < asimon> Tax-deferred savings account, yes
17:20 < alazare619> hopefully car will be streetable this year for SCCA
17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> no idea. I'm not putting money towards retirement because I think we'll have a monetary crisis first
17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> instead I'm buying guns
17:20 < Hatsjoe> lol
17:20 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: you can, but you get a hit on taxes (if you pull money out before retirement age) - the taxes that you'd have paid on that money, and I think something like 10-20% on top of that.
17:20 < asimon> So you don't get taxed when you put money in or gain value, but rather when you take it out
17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: oh, extra taxes on top?
17:20 < AnimalFarmPig> that sucks
17:20 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: 401k, IRA? who needs those when you have a stockpile of guns you can sell ...guns hold their value and alot appreciate in value
17:21 < asimon> Employers with 401k programs typically match whatever money you put in up to a certain extent
17:21 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: yeah, that's why I'm buying milsurp and rare stuff. I remember when Yugo SKS's were $89 each.
17:21 < Alternity> 401k is american retirement ya
17:21 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: now, some 401ks will allow you to *loan* yourself money out of the 401k, but you will have to pay it back.
17:21 < Alternity> just invest all your money in silver
17:21 < Alternity> or bitcoin
17:21 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: i only have 2 guns now days had alot of Sigs wana get the sig 45acp 1911
17:22 < alazare619> thats one gun i really..truly miss
17:22 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: but yes, you get a hit if you just pull money out before age 59.5: https://www.thebalance.com/what-you-need-to-know-about-401-k-early-withdrawals-2894147
17:22 <+layer-eight> * Heresiarch →  Early 401(k) Withdrawals: What You Need to Know
17:22 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: interesting
17:22 < Hatsjoe> There's nothing more American than building up your retirement fund out of guns :')
17:22 < Hatsjoe> I love it
17:22 < alazare619> super fun to shoot and felt like a total BA shooting it...i mean..anyone with a 1911 is a BA anyways ;)
17:23 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: I'm tyring to build a Spanish pistol colleciton. I've got a decent collection of Stars now. I should get around to buying something for actual shooting. I've had my eye on a Rock Island double-stack 1911.
17:23 <+ihre> Heresiarch: frankly, that sounds like a statement old people would make, ie, when vlans were introduced but is not common usage so we run different cables, or i dont trust ansible so i rely on bash/makefiles/???
17:23 < Heresiarch> ihre: My lawn. Get off. :)
17:23 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig:  cant go wrong with a 1911 one of the best built durable guns around
17:24 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: I shoot them so well. The sig ones look nice, but I want a double stack for local outlaw competitions
17:24 < alazare619> animal https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qk1wz6Iu/image.png
17:24 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 1,342,356 bytes
17:24 <@Code_Man65> My FIL (who was Marine Recon) is not someone you want to challenge with 1911's
17:24 < AnimalFarmPig> mmmm... nice
17:24 < alazare619> i mean that thing just screams bald eagle and freedom when you shoot it :P
17:24 < AnimalFarmPig> haha, yes
17:24 <@Code_Man65> He is stupidly good with that pistol.  Also, he has a vintage WWI 1911
17:25 < alazare619> noiiiice
17:25 <@Code_Man65> I've gotten to fire that one, it is a really nice pistol
17:25 < AnimalFarmPig> > 10 percent early distribution penalty tax.      ouch, I will stick with keeping my retirement funds in guns
17:26 <@Code_Man65> On the subject of 401k loans, on interesting fact is you pay yourself interest on the loan
17:26 <@Code_Man65> So you still end up putting back in more than you took out
17:26 <+ihre> AnimalFarmPig: designer furniture is also a good investment :p
17:26 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: really? I had no idea
17:26 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: do guns really holdd their value that well? i.e. you buy a gun now for $400, can you sell it for ~$400 in about a year or two again?
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: if you pick them right, yes
17:27 < alazare619> i've had multiple sig 1911's but the one gun i truly regret selling besides the Springfield Armory 1911 was this one https://www.sigsauer.com/store/1911-fastback-nightmare-carry.html
17:27 <@Code_Man65> Depends on the gun, most will go for more than that
17:27 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  1911 Fastback Nightmare Carry
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: they often appreciate in value. In 2004, I could buy Yugoslav SKS rifles for $89 each. They go for around $400 now.
17:27 < alazare619> i had the ergo pistol grip tho thing was awesome but needed money very little recoil too
17:27 <+ihre> AnimalFarmPig: definitely! if you'd have an early Eames chair, the Herman Miller glassfiber models, they increase by 5-10% a year
17:27 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: neat!
17:28 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: likewise with Czech mausers or Swiss staightpulls or even Mosin Nagants
17:28 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, when I started getting into shooting again after several years break due to traveling, I was pissed about prices
17:28 < Hatsjoe> None of those names ring a bell, well, mausers do (didnt the Germans use mausers in WW2?)
17:29 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, lots of countries used them
17:29 < cantibot> is there computer jobs wehre you can sit around and smoke zanny blunts all day?
17:29 <+ihre> any job where you work from home ?
17:29 < cantibot> like...consulting?
17:29 < AnimalFarmPig> you could buy Czech Mausers for $50 each in the early 2000's, now they're a couple hundred bucks
17:29 <+ihre> for instance
17:29 < Hatsjoe> I have been thinking about signing up with my local shooting range again, we have pretty strict gun laws in the Netherlands so I wouldnt be able to buy all the cool stuff you Americans can :P
17:29 < alazare619> a good friend of mine growing up didnt put any money into a 401k dude actually was really smart he took money put it into a moneymarket account until he had enough to buy cars over in japan..multiple r34's r33's and r32 skylines knowing that at the 25 year they would be legal for import...he has since imported alot of them paid the storage fee's every year and kept buying more and more as he made more...he now has
17:29 < alazare619> a small fortune
17:30 < alazare619> 30 years old paid for his house in cash and quiet a few other things...
17:30 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: have you been a member before?
17:30 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: smart guy. I've looked into doing that for east bloc cars from Europe-- Ladas, etc. but I don't think they would command the same prices
17:30 < Hatsjoe> ihre: not really, went shooting couple times but never been an aspiring member (aspirant lid)
17:31 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig:  only reason he got ahead was because of hte FF franchise
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: ahhh, yeah, NL, I can imagine quite a different gun culture
17:31 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: as a foreigner visiting the US, which state should I go to if I want to shoot all the cool weapons?
17:31 <+ihre> i've visited some 'open dagen' at a few, looked fun, but the time/money required to shoot anything other than compressed air, idk
17:31 < alazare619> it was a huge risk but he gambled and won but when he started buying r34 and r33 skylines nearly 10 years ago they were going as cheap as 5k american dollars
17:31 < Hatsjoe> ihre: its not that expensive, espcially when you're a full member and can legally own a gun, you are allowed to make your own ammo then as well
17:31 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: didnt those guys tell about shooting in vegas during that dev thing con?
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: most of them will be fine-- just avoid the north east, states that border canada, and the west coast
17:32 < ravioli> what's wrong with the northeast?
17:32 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, machine gun rental places in vegas a pretty popular with tourists
17:32 < Hatsjoe> ihre: yeah, believe my colleague shot some ARs in Vegas during the last AWS summit
17:32 < khelpw> alazare619: still have more to sell?
17:32 < alazare619> after importing etc a few thousand more and around 30 a month in storage fees for 10 years he sold the 33's and 32's for an astronomical amount the 34's he has stored the longest
17:32 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: ok im singing up :^)
17:32 < AnimalFarmPig> ravioli: if you want to rent machine guns at a shooting range, probably not the best part of the country
17:32 < alazare619> khelpw: he is still buying and storing for import
17:32 < ravioli> ah.
17:32 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: where you located?
17:33 < ravioli> i've only been to one range and i'm not a fan. i do most of my shooting in sand pits in the woods
17:33 < khelpw> Well 32s are the only ones that are legal so far, 33 and 34s will be becoming legal soon, and having seen the way 32s have been behaving on the market a lot of people are trying to position themselves to buy 33s and 34s to sell them once they become legal
17:33 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: I'm in Dallas. The range down the street from my office does rentals, including full autos.
17:33 < alazare619> khelpw: yep he got in ALONG time before everyone else
17:33 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: if I'm ever in the area, I'll hit you up :P
17:33 < alazare619> khelpw:  apparently on the big nissan forum he is pretty famous
17:33 < khelpw> I have a friend who did the same thing but with air-cooled porsches
17:33 < khelpw> he is quite comfortable now
17:34 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: the thing at ranges here is that you need to work your way up, starting with small handpistol compressed air, then rifle, then some other form, takes a couple of years before youre actually allowed to shoot .22
17:34 < khelpw> dude is a psychic or something for knowing what cars are going to blow up in value
17:34 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: happy to take you out shooting. I don't have anything full auto, but I've got a decent selection of Spanish pistols now.
17:34 < alazare619> khelpw: right..the right car appreciates in value
17:34 < khelpw> Right now he's buying up N54 clownshoes
17:34 < Hatsjoe> AnimalFarmPig: like those hand loaded Spanish pistols?
17:34 < Hatsjoe> As in, the ones pirates used?
17:35 < khelpw> his personal one is sitting at ~650whp
17:35 < khelpw> fucking car is a riot
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatsjoe: no, like http://www.star-firearms.com   I've got a model BS, B super, BM, 31PK, and M243
17:36 <+layer-eight> * AnimalFarmPig →  Star-Firearms.com ::: Star Bonifacio Echeverria, S.A. - Armas - Firearms
17:36 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: and something like a revolver isnt expensive here either, they start at around 100EUR
17:36 <+ihre> but the license requirements...
17:37 < alazare619> khelpw: i really think that the next car boom will be whats coming out now
17:37 < Hatsjoe> Yeah in NL you have to be a full member of a shooting range for 12 months. you can only become a full member after being an aspiring member for 6 months
17:37 < AnimalFarmPig> ihre: Germany?
17:37 <+ihre> AnimalFarmPig: netherlands
17:37 < Hatsjoe> So if you sign up now, you can only buy a gun after 18 months
17:37 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, ok
17:37 < alazare619> which is strange to say but i'm going to be swooping up when possible the hellcats camaro's etc
17:37 < khelpw> alazare619: used hellcats are gonna be cheap
17:37 < khelpw> in like 5-10 years
17:37 < alazare619> there going to be dropping big time in the next 8 years too
17:37 < alazare619> yep
17:37 < AnimalFarmPig> so, buying the dip
17:37 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: IF you've met the requirements to actually shoot with 'real ammo' during that time :P
17:38 < alazare619> but i have a strong feeling this is going to be the last of the great performance cars on petrol
17:38 < alazare619> the way the world is going
17:38 < khelpw> As a JDM fan though, it's not a great time for japanese cars
17:38 < AnimalFarmPig> first gen Mustangs were so cheap when I was getting my license in the mid-late 90's
17:38 < alazare619> yea jdm has all but died
17:38 < khelpw> IDK, I think there will always be a (limited) market for enthusiast vehicles.
17:38 < Hatsjoe> ihre: haha yeah but those requirements are not that strict
17:38 < alazare619> very very limited
17:38 < khelpw> It's a shame. I've got a '11 WRX and there is just nothing to look up to
17:38 < khelpw> its been 10 years since this gen of this car came out, and that was the last time they were genuinely competitive in the market
17:39 < alazare619> man i've wanted a hawkeye wrx for so long
17:39 < alazare619> and a subaru impreza RSTI
17:39 < khelpw> for $40k though? Get fucked
17:39 < khelpw> when the new mustang GT is gonna be $50k and come with ~500whp
17:40 < alazare619> my dream fap tho is a RSTI EJ20/22/25 turbski but that generation impreza have so many electrical issues
17:40 < alazare619> yep
17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> I've thought a Saab 9-2X would be fun
17:40 < alazare619> and flatplane crank which sounds godlike
17:40 < MrLemur> the mustang GT is creeping into the high performance car category
17:40 < khelpw> It's not creeping man, it's there.
17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> it's the Saaburu
17:41 < alazare619> the new corvette only is coming automatic...but AWD turbo with near 1k hp from the factory
17:41 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: ah is more a restriction for ownership vs club owned, https://i.imgur.com/JcfghLB.png
17:41 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 237,603 bytes
17:41 < alazare619> not even joking on that one
17:41 < Sousapro> Saaburu
17:41 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: also mid engine, no?
17:41 < Sousapro> I miss Saab lol
17:41 < alazare619> yea mid engine as well
17:41 < Sousapro> my outback is fine though
17:41 < AnimalFarmPig> Sousapro: want to buy my 9-3 convertible? :P
17:41 < alazare619> like chevy seen what ford did with the ford gt and was like wait up hold my beer i got this shit
17:41 < khelpw> They're saying sub 4 second 0-60 and sub 12 quarter mile off a stock mustang GT next year
17:42 < khelpw> alazare619: if the mid engined corvette rumors are true I'd be both surprised and very excited
17:42 < AnimalFarmPig> first mid-engine Corvette. Neat. They should build a slightly less crazy version of it and resurrect the Fiero or Corvair.
17:42 < khelpw> I feel like every time they're coming out with a new model they push the mid engined, awd, turbo rather than S/C thing
17:43 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ and every time it's a front engine RWD NA V8
17:43 < Sousapro> AnimalFarmPig: I'm paying on an outback and a road king. i'm out of fun car money lol
17:43 < AnimalFarmPig> except for the time they made a turbo
17:43 < alazare619> http://www.motortrend.com/news/report-the-mid-engine-c8-chevrolet-corvette-might-make-850-hp/
17:43 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  Report: The Mid-Engine C8 Chevrolet Corvette Might Make 850 HP - Motor Trend
17:43 < khelpw> Yeah, I know things are more substantial this time
17:43 < khelpw> Like I said, I really hope it's true
17:43 < alazare619> the demo car has already been seen it is infact already mid engine
17:43 < alazare619> hp numbers are still up in the air but based upon lap times its guestimated around 800-1k
17:43 < khelpw> it would make it a more competitive car, and certainly shut up a lot of people who complain that it isn't a supercar (despite putting down supercar numbers)
17:44 < AnimalFarmPig> Sousapro: haha, no worries. I have 3 cars for a 2 driver household, don't want to get rid of the Saab, but I'm making payments on a Fiesta ST and a Transit Connect, and the Saab adds an extra $100/mo to insurance.
17:44 < alazare619> but i dont think thats the corvette we are seeing
17:44 < alazare619> i think that is chevys answer to the Ford GT
17:44 < khelpw> between my girlfriend and I we've got 3 cars. I've got a 2002 Heep grand cherokee 4.0 as my daily right now and the '11 wrx hatch, and she has a 94 miata
17:44 < alazare619> i'm waiting for chevy to drop news and call it the Chevy Triple S
17:44 < AnimalFarmPig> khelpw: those people will find new reasons why it isn't a supercar. The real reason is that it's not "exclusive" (expensive) enough
17:45 < khelpw> Yeah, I feel like it's people with lambos etc who don't want regular people in their car clubs/track days
17:45 <+ihre> Hatsjoe: IF there is a nice spot in between, i would definitely be interested in signing up to be honest, would be fun
17:45 < AnimalFarmPig> I bet Chevy will even sell Corvettes to blacks and jews!
17:46 < khelpw> Now when is porsche gonna move that engine a little forward in the 911 lol
17:46 < khelpw> Lets really rustle some purist jimmies
17:47 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't really follow Porsche, but didn't they already do that and call it a Panamera?
17:47 < alazare619> i wish FR cars would return
17:47 <@Code_Man65> You mean when are they going to make the beetle have a front engine?
17:47 < alazare619> theres nothing like a good high reving FR
17:48 < alazare619> the only half decent "AFFORDABLE" FR these days is a miata
17:48 < AnimalFarmPig> Hyundai Veloster?
17:48 < khelpw> No, the Panamera is their sedan, Front engined. They have the cayman/boxster which are mid engined but it wasn't until the GT4 that they actually gave those models any _real_ attention
17:48 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, sorry, HALF DECENT
17:48 < khelpw> alazare619: not new it aint lol
17:48 < khelpw> also FR (front engine, rwd)
17:49 < khelpw> What does a new Miata start at? Like $28k?
17:49 < alazare619> something like that
17:49 < alazare619> but thats the cheapest half decent one around
17:49 < khelpw> You're not wrong, but it's shitty that you aren't
17:49 < alazare619> your next step up is to around 70k for a charger but does it even come standard?
17:49 < AnimalFarmPig> ahhh... the panamera is more bloated than I remembered
17:49 < alazare619> i think a 3 series is around 60 - 70k as well
17:50 < khelpw> Nah, you can get an M2 for under 50k
17:50 < khelpw> or a mustang
17:50 < alazare619> atleast it comes standard
17:50 < AnimalFarmPig> I guess technically the Cayman fulfills the "move the engine forward a little bit" thing
17:50 < alazare619> khelpw: forgot about the m2
17:50 < khelpw> It does, but they have intentionally gimped the cayman to keep the 911 as the big dog in the family, despite the cayman being a better car
17:50 < alazare619> and i like the look of mustangs but i'm not trying to get vehicular manslaughter :P
17:50 < AnimalFarmPig> right
17:50 < khelpw> M3s start at like $65k
17:51 < khelpw> alazare619: memes aside - modern mustangs are more capable than they have any right to be
17:51 < khelpw> They're in a similar niche to where the WRX was 10 years ago
17:51 < khelpw> simply the best bang for your buck in the category
17:51 < alazare619> ^ capable very much so...possibly to cheap and people with no brains get behind the wheel and are use to solid axel/live axel and now have a car with IDRS they dont know what to do..
17:51 < Spr1ng> Reddit's search feature is terrible, can someone help me find that recent thread (+-2 weeks) about Office 365 best practices eg, phishing attempt notices appended to messages in Outlook etc.
17:52 < khelpw> I'm not saying there's not any truth behind the memes
17:52 < Hatter> is anyone logging keystrokes of their users
17:52 < AnimalFarmPig> khelpw: I've seen Focus ST's going for under $20k, and Fiesta ST's going for $17.5k. I suspect they are somewhere towards the top in bang/buck, simply because bucks is so small
17:52 < Hatter> pretty extreme I know
17:53 < khelpw> FoSTs and FiSTs are both great autox cars, decently practical etc.
17:53 < khelpw> Especially with the RS now
17:53 < AnimalFarmPig> fun to drive as well, the FiST more so than the FoST, actually
17:53 < khelpw> tbh, I should really sell my wrx. It gets driven like 2-3 days a month lol
17:54 < khelpw> costs me ~$300/mo in comprehensive insurance too
17:54 < AnimalFarmPig> ouch
17:54 < technonerd> Fedex portal is down, can't do my job time to go home
17:54 < khelpw> Real hard to justify pulling that trigger though
17:55 < Hatter> khelpw: do you make a lot of money selling leather goods?
17:55 < khelpw> Nah, and I don't really try.
17:55 < khelpw> I don't even have a brand name or an etsy or anything. 99% of what I make is just for me or my friends etc
17:55 < khelpw> I know some people who do it as a form of additional income and even a couple who do it for a living
17:56 < alazare619> so my new nexus 6p battery is fucking shot
17:56 < khelpw> It's a big hustle with a LOT of work involved and you really need to be damn good to set yourself and your work apart from the crowd to the point where you can start demanding prices that make it actually worth your time
17:56 < alazare619> accubattery is reproting estimated capacity of 600ma
17:56 < alazare619> like WTF
17:56 < technonerd> Mine did that too
17:56 < alazare619> 10 minutes display on from 100% to turning off lmao
17:57 < khelpw> Most profitable places are largely off-the-shelf or made-to-order for the bulk of their work. So they'll have a few standardized products/patterns that they'll do variations on at a customers request
17:57 <+ihre> with a 5x, you can easily replace the battery, but if your phone is still new, just contact vendor/warranty point?
17:59 < Casteil> My nexus 5x just suddenly up and died one day about a month or two back
18:00 < Casteil> great phone, had it for about 2.5 years I think
18:00 < Casteil> last location it reported was on my way back from taco bell as I was texting a buddy of mine
18:00 < alazare619> ihre:  used/refurb new had a 30 day warranty but didnt say anything about battery
18:01 < Casteil> made a pretty solid attempt to revive it but something went bad electronically, probably the solid state memory or something
18:02 < vinrock> i found an old treo 600 in a box last week
18:02 < vinrock> wonder if i can activate it
18:02 < vinrock> its got that sexay leatherette holster too
18:03 < alazare619> Casteil: did you do the heat gun trick then flash the patch to turn off the 2 big cores?
18:03 < alazare619> wifes 5x died last month as well
18:03 < vinrock> wut
18:03 < vinrock> that sounds like a horrible fix
18:04 < Casteil> alazare619: Nah, I just bought a Moto X4
18:04 < alazare619> vinrock: 2 of the big cores on the 5x and 6p will all but "die" buy heating them up they will turn on and give you enough time to patch the firmware to "disable them"
18:04 < Casteil> aside from the camera being worse than the 5x's, I love it
18:04 < vinrock> man thats crazy
18:04 < alazare619> by disabling them you can then boot into the os and use it again
18:04 < vinrock> cellphone limp mode
18:04 < alazare619> would give you a good backup phone
18:04 <+ihre> https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Nexus+6P+Battery+Replacement/104307 doesnt seem too difficult
18:04 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  Nexus 6P Battery Replacement - iFixit
18:05 < Casteil> fingerprint reader doubles as a gesture pad so you can suppress the typical android back/home/multitask buttons that take up screen real estate
18:05 <+ihre> same as 5x
18:05 < alazare619> vinrock:  its actually still snappy with a proper kernel/os
18:05 <+ihre> well, almost
18:05 < technonerd> Batteries are. Cheap
18:05 < vinrock> huh no shit
18:05 <+ihre> doesnt have the additional camera cover like that
18:05 < alazare619> its a 4 core no longer 6 core phone with 3gb of memory
18:05 < Casteil> ihre: also, 5x battery replacement isn't *super* easy.
18:06 < Casteil> there's no adhesive but you still need to take the phone almost completely apart
18:06 <+ihre> i guess that depends on whether you have two left hands ;p
18:07 < Casteil> you have to take the back cover off (which is a little risky itself, tabs break), unscrew like 15 tiny ass screws to remove the mother/daughter board
18:07 < Casteil> hell you have to do that to even get to where the battery plugs into the board
18:08 <+ihre> its not exactly a 3310, no, but still, if you take your time, and have the right tools
18:08 < Casteil> https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus+5X+Teardown/51318 < Actually the first thing is the internal plastic structure, THEN the mainboard
18:08 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  Nexus 5X Teardown - iFixit
18:09 < Casteil> er never mind
18:09 < Casteil> you don't have to take the mainboard out to change the battery
18:09 < Casteil> but there are a shitload of tiny little screws on that little black structure
18:09 < Hatter> Hey guys, I just beat The Raft game, are there any other fun video games to play this weekend with a friend?
18:10 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, non-replacable battery
18:10 <+ihre> yes, that was definitely a mistake AnimalFarmPig :(
18:10 <+ihre> didnt think of it when i bought the phone though
18:10 < asimon> Hatter: Human Fall Flat?
18:10 < technonerd> But ip67 rating
18:10 < Casteil> < ip68
18:10 < technonerd> It's water proof so fuck you
18:10 < Casteil> master race
18:11 < AnimalFarmPig> 5x it is similar size to a Lumia 950, same processor, same RAM, but smaller non-replacable battery, worse screen, and worse OS
18:11 < Hatter> asimon: eh I dunno about that
18:11 < Hatter> what else
18:11 <+ihre> 950 is win phone?
18:11 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
18:11 < AnimalFarmPig> W10
18:11 < Casteil> not that I ever plan on exposing my phone to water, but it's good peace of mind to know that my phone would (most likely) survive an accidental plunge in the pool
18:12 < onenerdyguy> so, anyone ever use PHPIPAM ?
18:12 < Casteil> frankly my Nexus 5x death felt a bit like the universe was plotting against me
18:12 <+ihre> i've paid for a bunch of android apps which i still use daily, i'll probably stick to android just for that, but its the same as nano vs vim, just on another level :P
18:12 < Hatter> onenerdyguy: I have just recently
18:12 < Hatter> haven't gotten too crazy with it yet
18:12 < onenerdyguy> Hatter, any good?
18:12 < Hatter> just basic subnets/vlans
18:12 < Hatter> yes quite good
18:12 <+ihre> onenerdyguy: same, but that digitalocean variant was much nicer imo
18:12 < asimon> Hatter: What kind of game are you looking for
18:12 <+ihre> lemme look it up
18:12 < Casteil> I was thinking about buying a Moto X4 a month or two prior then I came to my senses "..well, this 5x works perfectly fine and I don't NEED to upgrade"
18:12 < onenerdyguy> ihre, oh shit, they made one?
18:12 < Casteil> then a month or two later, 5x dies COLD
18:13 <+ihre> onenerdyguy: https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
18:13 < Hatter> onenerdyguy: DO's does a bunch of other crap too, I wasn't interested
18:13 < asimon> Coop / Vs?
18:13 <+layer-eight> * ihre →  GitHub → digitalocean → netbox → IP address management (IPAM) and data center infrastructure management (DCIM) tool. → @ ~ 2 days ago → Python → ✡ 3,780 → Forks: 636 → ☹ 159
18:13 < Hatter> asimon: coop
18:13 < onenerdyguy> Hatter, ooo like what? i see the rack planning and such, that I really like.
18:13 < Hatter> onenerdyguy: well phpipam has rack planning
18:13 < Hatter> I dunno I forget
18:13 < Hatter> something about it turned me off
18:14 < Casteil> welp imma go wrap up work from home
18:14 < Casteil> already at 40h for the week anyway
18:14 < Hatter> Casteil: have a lovely evening
18:14 < Casteil> going to have to get on this evening for a software update too
18:14 < Hatter> lol I spoke too soon!
18:15 < Hatter> asimon: also the other person is a lady, so keep that in mind with your suggestions
18:15 <+ihre> onenerdyguy: just dont use racktables, which is a piece of shit :P
18:15 < Casteil> should be painless, just gotta wait for people to get off
18:15 < onenerdyguy> ihre, oh yeah, thats never gonna happen
18:16 < asimon> Hatter: Battleblock theater is kind of fun for coop
18:16 < asimon> Can't go wrong with the lego games (e.g. lego star wars)
18:16 <+AnonymooseWork> mernon
18:16 < Hatter> asimon: I said a lady not a girl, that looks like a kids game
18:16 < asimon> Hey idk your life
18:17 < asimon> (also its still fun even if you consider yourself an adult)
18:18 < asimon> If you haven't done portal 2 yet the coop there is pretty good
18:19 < asimon> Overcooked is another
18:20 < sadbox> overcooked is so good
18:21 < asimon> Oh also crypt of the necrodancer is probably one of the best roguelikes that exists, with optional 2p mode
18:21 < sadbox> Hatter: like, go play it now
18:21 < sadbox> make some burgers
18:21 < khelpw> Hatter: I play a lot of co-op games with my gf
18:22 < khelpw> Hatter: overcooked is great if you want to hate each other
18:22 < sadbox> khelpw: have -you- played overcooked?
18:22 < khelpw> Yep, many times
18:22 < sadbox> khelpw: you just have to accept that you will occasionally boost in to each other and catch the whole place on fire
18:22 < khelpw> Crypt of the necrodancer is OK if you're into rhythm games. Divinity 2 is supposed to be great (and is on our list)
18:23 < onenerdyguy> khelpw, diviinity 2 is awesome
18:23 < onenerdyguy> and it needs to come to consoles :(
18:23 < khelpw> lately we've played the new Kirby game on switch (easy, kinda kiddy), and DKC tropical freeze (not easy) and Rayman on the switch
18:23 < khelpw> We played through Far Cry 5 together on PC
18:23 < khelpw> Guacamelee is awesome with 2 players
18:23 < onenerdyguy> don't forget BroForce
18:25 <+AnonymooseWork> khelpw... pubg
18:25 <+AnonymooseWork> :D
18:25 <+AnonymooseWork> FortNite?
18:25 < Atro> lol
18:25 < khelpw> No.
18:25 < asimon> Ultimate Chicken Horse
18:26 < khelpw> ^^ that one's better with more than 2 people imo
18:26 < asimon> True but you can get more folks online
18:26 < TheTinker86> Casteil you here?
18:27 < khelpw> Personally, I only ever play local multiplayer.
18:27 < khelpw> Only online multiplayer game I play is Ballcar.
18:27 < khelpw> Er, rocket league
18:27 < TheTinker86> LOL ballcar
18:27 < TheTinker86> i'm going to keep that lol
18:27 < khelpw> and then, only when I'm pretty drunk and feel like screaming at my TV
18:27 < sideup66> TheTinker86: tinkerbell
18:27 < mrghostman> ballcar...lol
18:27 < TheTinker86> whadup
18:27 < sideup66> Are you here to be tinkerbell
18:28 < TheTinker86> depends on if i can shoot my fairy dust at your face
18:28 < TheTinker86> ;p
18:30 < asimon> If you have 3-4 players you can do Hidden in Plain Sight (not coop though)
18:30 < TheTinker86> so yesterday i found out that some cat5/6 cable is aluminum with copper exterior. so now im wondering, are some RJ45 connectors better quality than others too?
18:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> interesting
18:32 < Atro> no
18:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have def used some shitty rj45 before
18:32 < Atro> TheTinker86: you mean the wires?
18:32 < khelpw> Hatter: other games to consider: Magicka, Trine, Castle Crashers, BattleBlock Theater, and you can also think about doing 2 players, 1 controller for things like the Witness or FTL
18:32 < McDonaldsWiFi> cheapo-plastic
18:33 < TheTinker86> the copper connectors inside the rj45
18:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh shit castle crashers
18:33 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh hhmmmm
18:33 < TheTinker86> are those all virtually the same or are some made with a lower quality/% copper
18:33 < Atro> there are some shitty cables that are aluminium with copper  plating. Some make only 123-6 pairs copper, rest aluminium. Hurts especially in the long range
18:33 < Atro> PoE is especially hurt by this
18:33 < Hatter> well thanks for the suggestions guys, but so far nothing is really grabbing me
18:33 < TheTinker86> yeah. i learned about the cca cables yesterday
18:33 < Atro> as aluminium is a worse conductor than copper
18:34 < Atro> it's just shit cable tbh
18:34 < khelpw> Hatter: well what kind of games do you enjoy?
18:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> left 4 dead 2 is dope
18:34 < McDonaldsWiFi> super dope with friends
18:35 < ebol4> if you want to do math puzzles together, the hexcells games are great
18:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> inb4 minecraft
18:35 <+ihre> khelpw: space cadet
18:36 < Atro> someone should make a sims, but with MLP
18:36 < admiralspark> Hatter: Factorio? Then you take a break 2 weeks from now and realize you missed work?
18:37 < Atro> admiralspark: pls no cracktorio, i've installed mods, havent eaten in 5 days
18:37 <+ihre> lol
18:37 < Atro> cant sleep knowing my production design is not efficient
18:38 < Heresiarch> ...is factorio ever going to be out of early access?
18:39 < Hatter> factorio may be a bit heavy for her
18:40 < Hatter> khelpw: we just beat The Forest, I quite liked that
18:40 < admiralspark> Atro: I'm only at 700hrs, MillerBoss is at twice that with *no mods*
18:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> dude break out the ps2
18:40 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: honestly, in the next few months yes
18:40 < TheTinker86> i just replayed the forest the other day
18:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> and play some baulder's gate
18:40 < Atro> admiralspark: total gameplay?
18:40 < admiralspark> Atro: yep
18:40 < Atro> admiralspark: i thought on a map lol
18:40 < khelpw> Hatter: have you played Limbo?
18:40 < Atro> Limbo is awesome
18:40 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: good. I'm interested to try it, but I generally avoid early access games.
18:40 < admiralspark> haha noo. I average about 25hrs now per map
18:41 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: So, this isn't some No Man's Sky. It's been stable for a few years now. They just are adding enough extra content that they didn't want to make it DLC or something dumb like that.
18:41 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: it has a free demo, try it out and see ;)
18:42 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: might do. Will have to get through Battletech and a few others, first. ;)
18:43 < admiralspark> ;)
18:47 < Hatter> khelpw: well a long time ago
18:48 < ThatOneRoadie> Well
18:48 < ThatOneRoadie> Fuck Mortgage underwriters
18:48 < ravioli> the only game i'm consistently really into is cities:skylines
18:48 < ravioli> ...and forza horizon 3. but cities skylines is dooope
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> "We need an account transaction log for 4/30 through today with a running balance"
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> so I put one together
18:49 < khelpw> Hatter: what about their new game - inside? or Braid
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> with a running balance
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> in a column labeled balance
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> send it over
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> "Where in this log is your current account balance?"
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> Motherfucker this shit is your job
18:49 < Hatter> haven't seen much about it
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> do I need to put a big fucking red arrow on it for you
18:49 < ThatOneRoadie> it's in the column labeled balance
18:50 < ThatOneRoadie> just like how the account number is in the column labeled account number, and the account type is in the column labeled account type
18:50 < khelpw> Hatter: it's short, but good. Check it out if you liked Limbo. And also play The Witness if you haven't.
18:51 < khelpw> Hatter: but if you cheat, and look up walkthroughs or anything in The Witness, I will find you, I will come to your house, and I will accost your cat with a badminton racquet
18:51 <@JollyRgrs> ThatOneRoadie: pls stop making things so complicated
18:51 < Hatter> khelpw: I rarely do that sort of thing
18:51 < khelpw> Hatter: the witness will make you want to
18:51 < khelpw> but so help me, I've got a _mean_ goddamn backswing.
18:51 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, i found you a new camera for parties https://www.amazon.com/Fujifilm-Instax-Hello-Kitty-Discontinued/dp/B019QCTWBK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1527871891&sr=1-1&keywords=fujifilm+hello+kitty
18:52 < ThatOneRoadie> JollyRgrs, I shall assume that this underwriter has the inference capacity of a first grader in all future e-mails
18:52 < ebol4> khelpw: y'all played fez?
18:52 <+AnonymooseWork> fez?
18:52 < khelpw> Yes, but fuck Phil fish with a sideways rake.
18:52 <+AnonymooseWork> like foreign exchange student?
18:52 <+AnonymooseWork> or like fez the funny hat from morocco?
18:53 < khelpw> the kind with the big, spikey teeth.
18:53 < ebol4> do people call foreign exhcange students fez's?
18:53 <+AnonymooseWork> oh cool
18:53 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
18:53 <+AnonymooseWork> ebol4 - you ever see 'That 70s show' ?
18:53 < ebol4> oh right
18:53 <+AnonymooseWork> thats how fez got his name
18:58 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: dang, that's kinda 'spensive
18:58 <@JollyRgrs> otherwise, i might get it for my youngest
18:58 <+AnonymooseWork> check ebay
18:59 <@cryptic1> Hunterkll, interesting site you run now
18:59 <@cryptic1> i saw it last night
18:59 < Hunterkll> indeed
18:59 < Hunterkll> you are the star
19:00 < TheTinker86> foil in cat6 is to prevent interference right?
19:00 <+ihre> the 'cartridges' will be a pain though, only useful as long as those are available and they are expensive, basically 1$ per photo
19:00 < Hunterkll> ihre, new manufacture
19:00 < Hunterkll> so they'll be around for a long while
19:00 < Hunterkll> you can get the new manufacture polariod stuff too
19:00 <+ihre> TheTinker86: yes, no government or extra terrestrial interference with foil
19:01 <+ihre> Hunterkll: they produced it on my hometown in 'micro batches'
19:01 <+ihre> expensive af
19:01 <+ihre> for polaroids
19:01 < TheTinker86> +ihre when is it actually necessary to have the foil lined cables? when running mass amounts of cables in a group or when running next to electrical?
19:01 < ebol4> yes
19:01 < Hunterkll> ihre, fuji's still making theirs - http://www.fujifilm.com/products/instant_photo/films/instax_mini/
19:01 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  instax mini film | Fujifilm Global
19:02 < Hatter> khelpw: hey the witness is only single player, but still interesting
19:02 < Hatter> looks pretty
19:02 < Hunterkll> ihre, and polaroid isn't taht expensive either - https://us.polaroidoriginals.com/collections/polaroid-film
19:02 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Instant Film
19:03 <+ihre> basically 2 buck a shot Hunterkll
19:03 < Hatter> hey just cause is only like 5 bucks right now
19:03 < Hunterkll> ihre, that's *actual* polaroid making it though
19:03 < khelpw> Yeah but we still played it together, it's nice to have someone sitting next to you to argue with about the right way to solve the problem
19:03 < Hunterkll> they even serviec their older cameras
19:03 < Hatter> khelpw: Oh did you think I was talking about a real lady? how silly of you, this is of course one of my internet girlfriends
19:04 < khelpw> So stream it.
19:04 < khelpw> The world is flat, man
19:04 < Hatter> hm maybe
19:04 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, i updated your name https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
19:04 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
19:04 <+ihre> Hunterkll: a polaroid factory/hq is located in my hometown, they resurrected a couple of years ago iirc, started small, maybe grew due to interest, not sure
19:04 < Hunterkll> ihre, a decade ago maybe
19:04 < Hunterkll> :P
19:05 <+ihre> oh, for 'polaroid originals', might be different
19:05 < khelpw> I for one blame hipsters
19:05 < Hunterkll> khelpw, what about those of us that just never moved to digital photography?
19:06 < Hunterkll> ihre, you live in the netherlands?
19:06 <@cryptic1> Hunterkll, ROFL
19:06 <+ihre> Hunterkll: yes
19:06 < Hunterkll> ihre, ah, yes, Enschede is where the plant that the impossible project bought is
19:07 < Hunterkll> in 2008 they bought all the equipment from polaroid for making the stuff.... started producing in 2010
19:07 < khelpw> The same thing as happened to people who never moved to away from fountain pens or typewriters . They become less common as time goes by until they are relegated to a niche hobby
19:07 <+ihre> yeah, rode past it every day towards school
19:07 < Hunterkll> ihre, hilariously, it started as a group to continue producing the instant film ... and they became profitable .... then they bought all the polaroid brand and IP
19:07 < Hunterkll> so in a reverse way
19:07 < Hunterkll> they're still the original polaroid
19:07 < Hunterkll> lol
19:08 <@cryptic1> Hunterkll, you should see if they want to advertise on your site
19:08 <@cryptic1> get that $
19:08 < Hunterkll> lol
19:08 < Hunterkll> maybe
19:08 < Hunterkll> :P
19:09 < ravioli> anyone else having problems logging into digital ocean? it spins and spins when i press log in after entering credentials
19:10 <+ihre> ravioli: same here
19:10 <+ihre> oh, now im getting a verification screen
19:11 <+ihre> worksforme(tm)
19:11 < Hunterkll> lol
19:12 <+ihre> Hunterkll: they used to have a store in the factory, which was the only place where you could instant film without a huge markup
19:12 <+ihre> also had a limit of a couple of packs per customer iirc
19:21 < ebol4> fuuuuuuuuck dude i'm gonna go home, order delivery, and watch like 4 korean romance films
19:21 < ebol4> it's friday babey
19:21 < TheTinker86> so this box of cat6 says it supports up to 25w but the camera and poe switch say 44w
19:22 < Sousapro> ugh, why is a VM giving me an event 130 NTFS error?
19:22 <@JollyRgrs> TheTinker86: better use cat10 for extra wiggle room
19:23 < Sousapro> the SAN is verified good lol
19:23 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: cat69 cabling for best PoE
19:23 <+AnonymooseWork> anyone here use mellanox switches?
19:23 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: no, that's for P2P :P
19:23 <@JollyRgrs> err, P2M
19:23 < coderphive> Well
19:24 < coderphive> Someone suggest I buy a $20 switch to replace our old Cisco one that went out
19:24 <+AnonymooseWork> rofl
19:24 < coderphive> Why do I even have to justify these things
19:24 < Heresiarch> coderphive: 'cuz they cost money.
19:25 < coderphive> Yeah, but this happens nowhere else I swear
19:25 < Sousapro> coderphive: because they are idiots
19:25 < coderphive> "Ah yeah our lathe machine broke"
19:25 < Heresiarch> coderphive: ...count yourself, lucky, then.
19:25 < coderphive> Sweet, buy a Rico
19:25 < TheTinker86> so @JollyRgrs do i get cat 6, cat69 or cat10 lol
19:25 < coderphive> That would never happen
19:25 < Sousapro> coderphive: s/rico/dremel
19:25 <+AnonymooseWork> TheTinker86 what kind of camera is it?
19:25 <+AnonymooseWork> PoE?
19:25 < TheTinker86> ya
19:25 < coderphive> Sousapro Even more true
19:25 <@JollyRgrs> TheTinker86: well, 10 is really just 2... you don't want cat2
19:25 <+AnonymooseWork> argh
19:25 <@JollyRgrs> so like maybe cat10101
19:26  * AnonymooseWork is a bit over head
19:26 <+AnonymooseWork> anyone up for helping me configure my SAN switches?
19:26 < kronis> !seen kronis
19:26 < asimon> .seen kronis
19:26 < kronis> rip
19:27 < kronis> Hey all
19:27 < asimon> we tried
19:27 < kronis> Got a question for you peeps
19:27 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: For the price of one of those fancy Cisco switches, you could just pop on down to fry's, grab a consumer socket 2011 motherboard and a bunch of NIC's and build your own switch. What could go wrong, right?
19:28 < coderphive> lmao u rite u rite
19:28 < kronis> Is anyone using a DMVPN setup with a static IP through comcast/spectrum?
19:28 < coderphive> like, I don't even know why I need to acknowledge the kind of comment that is, "Why not just buy a $20 switch"
19:28 < coderphive> How about
19:28 < Heresiarch> coderphive: because the person saying that has no idea what the difference is.
19:29 < coderphive> Why not just not worry about the difference between $20 and $200
19:29 < AnimalFarmPig> and, you could then load that box full of disk, ram, etc. and use it as a server too! Can you run postgres and apache on one of those Cisco switches? haha!
19:29 < coderphive> In terms of the business no one cares
19:29 < coderphive> lmao
19:29 < coderphive> postgres virtual router here we go
19:29 < coderphive> we're innovative now bois
19:29 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: ...now I wanna try and score an arista 10G switch and run a LAMP app on it.
19:29 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm going to build a gaming router for my home lab
19:29 < kronis> I've seen porn stored in flash before
19:29 < kronis> That was pretty funny
19:30 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: I think the new Cisco Nexus 9k's are (possible to be used as) just a Linux box with a bunch of NIC's. It should be possible.
19:31 < coderphive> We had a Nexus where I used to work
19:31 < coderphive> They're fucking black boxes you call Cisco about when they break
19:31 < coderphive> glhf
19:31 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: yup. Arista actually had a Fedora variant installed on their switches, complete with shell breakout from their *cough*ios ripoff*cough* cisco-compatible command layer.
19:31 < aName> I want to play with remote desktop services - does anyone know where I can get cheap CALs?
19:31 < coderphive> "play"
19:32 <+AnonymooseWork> aName you get 180days before you need to license it
19:32 < coderphive> "cheap cals"
19:32 < coderphive> hmm
19:32 <+AnonymooseWork> and if you exceed that 180 days there is a way to reset the grace period with a reg hack
19:32 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: oh, interesting. I don't know much about enterprise network hardware, so I'm constantly surprised at the features.
19:32 < coderphive> idk
19:32 < aName> AnonymooseWork: Yeah, I know - 180 days just means i have to set it up again if I end up liking it lol
19:32 < coderphive> I was an _okay_ NE, but I saw issues with having the Nexus as your SDN
19:32 <+AnonymooseWork> aName - uhm, no you can license it at any time
19:33 < genr8_> license for what, windows server ?
19:33 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: seems like even Cisco has gotten away from their "we make all the things" mentality. Pretty much everything is going to commodity network silicon and some form of linux for an OS.
19:34 < AnimalFarmPig> aName: protip-- do per device licensing, then use a single *nix box with X11 forwarding as a jump host to your Terminal Services box. Bam! Only need 1 CAL.
19:34 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: they announced a while back that they'll support iOS on whitebox hardware!
19:34 < coderphive> uh oh
19:34 < coderphive> +q imminent
19:35 <@Code_Man65> Nah, just got back to my desk from lunch
19:35 < coderphive> Well, that's disappointing
19:35 <@Code_Man65> Well fine
19:35 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: makes sense. If it was doable for Arista to graft an ios command shell on top of Fedora, stands to reason that Cisco could do the same.
19:35 < aName> AnonymooseWork: Oh yeah? That didn't use to be the case.
19:35 < aName> At least not to my memory
19:35 <+AnonymooseWork> ...
19:35 < coderphive> rekt
19:35 <+AnonymooseWork> you can set it up
19:36 < ebol4> 𝒽𝑒𝓎
19:36 <+AnonymooseWork> and test it out
19:36 <+AnonymooseWork> and on day 181 decide hmm i want to license it
19:36 < Hunterkll> <AnimalFarmPig> aName: protip-- do per device licensing, then use a single *nix box with X11 forwarding as a jump host to your Terminal Services box. Bam! Only need 1 CAL.
19:36 <+AnonymooseWork> so you setup the license server
19:36 < Hunterkll> that's wrong
19:36 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, that is so wrong and does not work
19:36 < Hunterkll> :P
19:36 <+AnonymooseWork> lol Hunterkll
19:36 < genr8_> i was still trying to parse that.
19:36 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: I'm not sure whether it's still NDA'ed, but I know of a company with a very large install base of networking equipment that is moving off Cisco hardware and to 100% whitebox. So, I guess that's where industry might be going.
19:36 < genr8_> Cisco has broken everyones trust
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: shush :P
19:37 < genr8_> they were supposed to be super expensive and super high end and super secure
19:37 < genr8_> and its not
19:37 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, microsoft calls that multiplexing and it doesn't work :P
19:37 < Hunterkll> haha
19:37 < coderphive> I'm pretty certain the world is moving FOSS SDN anyway
19:37 < genr8_> the trend anyway
19:37 < coderphive> That's why I got out of NE
19:37 < Hunterkll> if someone can properly define "SDN" that is
19:37 < coderphive> oh here we go
19:37 < genr8_> its like SDR but for networking
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: I assumed it wouldn't be allowed, didn't realize that Microsoft actually explicitly addresses it in licensing terms
19:38 < Hunterkll> genr8_, right. and what's SDR again? :P
19:38 < vader-> Big VISA outage in the UE
19:38 < vader-> EU
19:38 < Hunterkll> vader-, ya im seein shit about that on facebook
19:38 < Hunterkll> lol
19:38 <+AnonymooseWork> Visa..everywhere you want to be,
19:38 < coderphive> SDN is a broad term but if you're about to say it's a buzzword then you deserve to get a kick in the nuts
19:38 < Hunterkll> coderphive, you mean it's a new buzzword for existing technologies just being glued together
19:38 < Hunterkll> :)
19:38 < vader-> everywhere you want to be except Europe today hehe
19:39 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
19:39 < coderphive> Hunterkll nothing about SDN was pre-existing fam
19:39 < Hunterkll> oh?
19:39 < coderphive> Yeap
19:39 < Hunterkll> like what?
19:39 < coderphive> I'll say that with 100% certainty
19:39 < coderphive> Tell me what existed before
19:39 < Hunterkll> host isolation with ACLs/firewalling, self-configuring/externally controlled switches, vlans inside vlans, etc
19:39 <@Code_Man65> coderphive:  Your mom :P
19:39 < vader-> nexus
19:40 < coderphive> Code_Man65 kek
19:40 <@Code_Man65> Sorry, couldn't resist
19:40 < Hunterkll> i mean
19:40 < coderphive> Hunterkll Those are protocols
19:40 < Hunterkll> he's not wrong
19:40 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: pretty much. A lot of network gear requires enough heft that low-power/custom chips just don't cut it anymore. So a lot of vendors are moving to straight up x86 chips (or going with broadcom) and just throwing a shitload of interfaces + OS on top.
19:40 < TheTinker86> Operating Power: POE or 12V DC (Power Adapter not Included）
19:40 < coderphive> Hunterkll Tell me about the underlying tech that existed before
19:40 < genr8_> Image result for software defined networking definitionwww.sdxcentral.com
19:40 < genr8_> Software defined networking (SDN) is an approach to using open protocols, such as OpenFlow, to apply globally aware software control at the edges of the network to access network switches and routers that typically would use closed and proprietary firmware.
19:40 < TheTinker86> POE Standard: 802.3af, 44V~54V. Support up to 330ft via CAT6 cable
19:40 < Hunterkll> .... ?
19:40 <@Code_Man65> IOSXR is linux
19:40 < coderphive> Hunterkll How were you mass orchestrating your network setup?
19:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, you could script that, you know
19:40 < coderphive> That was a joke
19:40 < Hunterkll> as part of VM deployment
19:40 < coderphive> and not dynamic
19:40 < Hunterkll> define 'dynamic'
19:40 < kronis> Back to my original question, 12:28 PM <kronis> Is anyone using a DMVPN setup with a static IP through comcast/spectrum?
19:41 < Hunterkll> and explain what SDN 'is'
19:41 <@Code_Man65> Software Defined Networking
19:41 < coderphive> Hunterkll So you legitimately don't know about SDN?
19:41 < Hunterkll> I say SDN is just a polishing and meshing of existing technology
19:41 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it depends on what you define 'SDN' as
19:41 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm not sure if I would call projects like OpenDaylight polished
19:41 < coderphive> Then you should at least have a cursory google of something before you call it a buzzword, tbh
19:41 < Hunterkll> VMware NSX? Could be re-implemented with existing tech without the NSX features
19:41 <@Code_Man65> Personally I define SDN as being able to define your network as code in an automation stack (ansible, salt, etc)
19:42 < coderphive> ^
19:42 < Hunterkll> just a lot kludgier
19:42 < coderphive> Somewhat
19:42 < AnimalFarmPig> what about yang/netconf?
19:42 < Hunterkll> coderphive, oh no, i know what it is - don't fucking tell me to google
19:42 < Heresiarch> Hey now, don't hate on the original SDN language...expect. *runs*
19:42 <@Code_Man65> Can't have yang without yin AnimalFarmPig
19:42 < Hunterkll> it's a nice polishing of shit that was kludgier before
19:42 < coderphive> Hunterkll don't be facetious then
19:42 < Hunterkll> i'm just saying it's nothing new
19:42 < Hunterkll> it's just a polished turd with a new name
19:42 <+TuxedoJack> You know, it's nice to have control over the PA system in the cubefarm
19:42 < alazare619> SDN is dead
19:42 < AnimalFarmPig> Code_Man65: good point
19:42 < coderphive> heh
19:42 <+TuxedoJack> This is now playing at 5% volume
19:42 <+TuxedoJack> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efL2lOc5IlQ
19:42 < genr8_> i feel like its just cleaning up the Enterprise and bringing their standards up to date with the open source community
19:42 < alazare619> its now all about internet defined networking
19:43 <+layer-eight> * TuxedoJack →  YouTube → It's a Small World Music - 1 HOUR → ⚘ 177,764 ↑ 421 ↓ 44 ✍ 156
19:43 < alazare619> IDN
19:43 < Hunterkll> coderphive, I could do almost everything NSX does before NSX came around
19:43 < admiralspark> yeah
19:43 < coderphive> Hunterkll I don't think you know what you're talking about
19:43 < admiralspark> NSX is an abstraction layer on top of already-existing technologies
19:43 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: ...1 hour? You monster.
19:43 < Hunterkll> it makes it a hell of a lot easier
19:43 < Hunterkll> but still
19:43 <+ihre> nsx is also a pretty nice car :3
19:44 < admiralspark> coderphive: I worked in network engineering and network orchestration, building automation suites for ISP's in my state. The tooling has always been there, the abstraction and API is what was missing
19:44 < genr8_> HERE we go
19:44 < genr8_>  SDN suggests to centralize network intelligence in one network component by disassociating the forwarding process of network packets (Data Plane) from the routing process (Control plane).
19:44 < coderphive> admiralspark That was my point
19:44 < corn266> OMG LAYER-EIGHT IS BACK
19:44 < corn266> `sjw
19:44 <+layer-eight> corn266, you're a xenophobic, hyper-masculine, victim-blaming, nazi!
19:44 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: It's on infinite loop.
19:44 <@Code_Man65> corn266:  Abuse it and you get it muted again
19:44 < coderphive> admiralspark Those API's never existed for networking
19:44 <+ihre> s/nazi/incel
19:44 <+TuxedoJack> Starts at 6 AM and goes until 8 PM
19:44 < coderphive> admiralspark Management planes with resources like raspberry pi's
19:44 < Hunterkll> i could do VM level segmentation / fabric spanning (layer-2 extension) / network virtualization / dynamic routing / distributed firewalling / etc before "SDN" was a popular buzzword
19:44 < admiralspark> everyone and their cousin wrote their own in-house bullshit before coderphive ;)
19:44 < coderphive> admiralspark let's be real
19:44 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: ...is this what you use to torture t1s and helpdesk?
19:45 < coderphive> admiralspark I know, it was a joke
19:45 < corn266> Code_Man65: what you mean again? I didn't get it banned the first time
19:45 < coderphive> admiralspark Even further proving my point
19:45 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: part of it
19:45 < Hunterkll> coderphive, though i will say the statement you made about SDN going FOSS has to be true if microsoft is maintaing their own linux distro for their datacenter switches :P
19:45 < admiralspark> let's be real, who would do it properly when they could run it on a raspi and make it a bloated java app
19:45 <+TuxedoJack> You should see the holiday playlist
19:45 <@Code_Man65> That's more of a general statement than just at you
19:45 <+TuxedoJack> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcc0FGiDIMg8t6RVcrZL-MfDI4mXNCjqu
19:45 <+layer-eight> * TuxedoJack →  YouTube → Playlist: BOFH's Office Holiday Music Playlist → 60 videos
19:45 < coderphive> Hunterkll That's because the big buys are buying whitebox routers
19:45 < GreyKite> wait, is TuxedoJack abusing his helldesk again?
19:45 <+TuxedoJack> It's not abuse when it's laid out in their employment contracts
19:45 < genr8_> Hunterkll: i feel like its just cleaning up the Enterprise and bringing their standards up to date with the open source community . like the hardware devices didnt use to do SDN now they still have special hardware doing SDN :P
19:45 < Hunterkll> but being able to progrmatically control the network as Code_Man65 says - defining it in the automatinon stack - has always been possible
19:46 < GreyKite> TuxedoJack: no, it's still abuse, it's just legal abuse
19:46 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: ...that's just wrong. In so many ways.
19:46 < coderphive> Hunterkll not to that degree, no
19:46 < admiralspark> coderphive: I can't believe I'm saying it but Facebook is the reason people finally went "oh, this SDN thing is kinda cool" when they built an orchestrated distributed datacenter model
19:46 < admiralspark> on whitebox hardware
19:46 < coderphive> Hunterkll My Perl + Expect scripts are entirely different from what SDN does
19:46 < coderphive> admiralspark ++
19:46 < genr8_> the wiki is surprisingly useful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software-defined_networking
19:46 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Software-defined networking - Wikipedia
19:46 < Hunterkll> what does SDN do then, that's so different
19:47 < Sousapro> software dongered networking
19:47 < coderphive> Hunterkll As I said, google it if you have to answer that question
19:47 <@Code_Man65> I think you guys are getting into an argument over semantics
19:47 < admiralspark> problem is...aside from that one Cloudian or whatever provider, there's no full-stack all-in-one SDN systems, you still have to patch together your os + your management + your automation suite
19:47 < Hunterkll> for the love of god
19:47 < Sousapro> hell, by those definitions, UBNT is SDN
19:47 < genr8_> from the wiki: SDN is: Directly programmable, Agile,  Centrally Managed, Progammatically configured, Open Standards BASED  and VENDOR NEUTRAL
19:47 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm asking *you* what you can't script that SDN does
19:47 < admiralspark> hopefully ONOS will bridge that gap
19:47 < Hunterkll> that so called special SDN magic sauce is required
19:47 < GreyKite> Sousapro: well, yeah
19:47 < Heresiarch> Code_Man65: ...this is a channel full of sysadmins. Is that really a surprise?
19:47 < genr8_> SDN is bringing open source and vendor neutral to hardware devices that previously weren't
19:48 < Hunterkll> 95% of what's in NSX can be implemented via automation scripting even via puppet/chef and Nexus 1000V routers
19:48 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: you'd be reinventing the wheel so why would you do it in-house?
19:48 < Hunterkll> er, switches
19:48 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: but NSX is a good time :P
19:48 < alazare619> Next hot thing is TCL-DN TCL defined networking
19:48 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, obviously i'm not going to and i'm just going to use NSX, but still
19:48 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: and NSX should be included in ESXi licensing
19:48 <@Code_Man65> Heresiarch:  Not really, just pointing it out
19:48 < Heresiarch> heh
19:48 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: ;)
19:48 < Hunterkll> i'm maintaining that SDN is not new, it's just different
19:48 < silentfury-s4pro> NSX is expensive.
19:48 < Sousapro> Hunterkll: ++
19:48 < Hunterkll> different in the polishing and interface way
19:49 <@Code_Man65> Sousapro:  I've never actually gotten to mess with NSX, and our VMWare admins think it isn't worth buying
19:49 < JFDkthx> felda|: dont run
19:49 < alazare619> my irccloud logs = 280MB zipped
19:49 < alazare619> jesus fawk
19:49 < Atro> alazare619: save them
19:49 < felda|> JFDkthx I do what a want you jive ass turkeyu
19:50 < Hunterkll> huh
19:50 < coderphive> tbh it's an argument over semantics
19:50 < alazare619> TIL felda is a 75 year old black man who lives in southern lousiana
19:50 < coderphive> The interface _is_ what's new
19:50 < Hunterkll> coderphive, okay, i lied, i can't do shit without NSX anymore since VMware nixed 3rd party virtual switching
19:50 < coderphive> You don't see the value in that
19:50 < Hunterkll> coderphive, that's all i'm saying. it's an easier interface to do what was kludgier before
19:50 < Hunterkll> oh
19:50 < coderphive> so it's a moot point
19:50 < Hunterkll> I do
19:50 < Hunterkll> I just don't see the need for an entire new CIO level word play
19:51 < coderphive> It's certainly important to differentiate them IMO
19:51 < genr8_> theyre gonna have to re-buy all their hardware
19:51 < genr8_> with SDN support
19:51 < Hunterkll> genr8_, even though its probably the same hardware with different firmware
19:51 < Hunterkll> :p
19:51 < coderphive> Especially when I can apply a SDLC to my network code now
19:51 <@Code_Man65> The point to that Hunterkll is the same thing its always been, to get mindshare in the CIO's head
19:52 < coderphive> so if two engineers sat down at a table and they started talking about SDN
19:52 < Hunterkll> Then again I also hate the term SDR so
19:52 < Hunterkll> moving the IF and modulation to a different section of the radio does not create an entirely new class of products >:3
19:52 < coderphive> and one thought SDN meant Perl + Expect and the other thought it meant an actual automation suite
19:52 < coderphive> That's okay?
19:52 < coderphive> or is it more important to be concise in that moment
19:52 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: just wait. It's going to get better every year. Starting Monday, though, the Girl From Ipanema is on loop all day on Monday. Cisco's Opus #1 all day on Tuesday. Wednesday is the slide music from Mario 64.
19:52 < Hunterkll> coderphive, which SDN though?
19:53 < genr8_> Hunterkll: thats exactly what they intend to convey
19:53 <+TuxedoJack> Haven't picked out Thursday or Friday yet
19:53 < genr8_> the fact that you dont agree is moot
19:53 < coderphive> Hunterkll exactly my point
19:53 < coderphive> Hunterkll That's why there's a fundamentally new term
19:53 < Hunterkll> coderphive, Microsoft Hyper-V's? VMware's? Cisco's?
19:53 < coderphive> Any
19:53 < Hunterkll> Do I want Network Virtualization? NSX? are they compatible?
19:53 < Hunterkll> SDN is too broad
19:53 < coderphive> You interface with all of them much in the same way
19:53 < coderphive> That's the commonality
19:54 < Hunterkll> Hyper-V Network Virtualization and VMware's NSX are wildly different in both interface and operation
19:54 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: ...so you're trying to create a corps of mind-numbed drones?
19:54 < Hunterkll> but they're both considered SDN
19:54 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: they're tier 1s, that's implying they're not already there
19:54 < Hatter> oh NO
19:54 < Hatter> what do I do!
19:54 < coderphive> Do they have an API and a client library Hunterkll?
19:54 <@Code_Man65> At least with Hyper-V if you license 2016 datacenter you get the advanced networking features.  Unlike VMWare where it is a totally separate licensed product
19:54 < Hatter> I didn't get lunch yet and I have a TWO HOUR meeting in 5 minutes
19:54 < Hatter> I'm panicking
19:54 < JFDkthx> Hatter: im glad
19:54 < Hunterkll> coderphive, well, at least for hyper-v i'm only familiar with the powershell side
19:54 < Heresiarch> TuxedoJack: ...fair, though it's still worth looking through them to find potential gems.
19:55 < TheTinker86> get a bag of chips
19:55 < coderphive> Code_Man65 I think VMWare comes with a basic networking version
19:55 < JFDkthx> i hope you enjoy your two hour meeting
19:55 < corn266> Any of y'all smart people wanna tell me why my hyper-v won't connect to a vm running on the same machine?
19:55 < Heresiarch> Hatter: snickers bar.
19:55 < Hunterkll> coderphive, just the standard vsphere switch
19:55 <@Code_Man65> coderphive:  VMWare Enterprise Plus comes with DVSwitches
19:55 < Hatter> oh there is a vending machine down the hall
19:55 < Hunterkll> yea
19:55 < Hatter> thanks guys, this is why I come here
19:55 < corn266> Hatter beef jerky or bust
19:55 < TheTinker86> cheers
19:55 < Hunterkll> you need the vsphere distributed switches to do LACP on the host
19:55 < Hunterkll> which is fucked up
19:55 < coderphive> Hunterkll So the interface is much the same
19:55 < Hunterkll> which means you have to license enterprise plus
19:55 <@Code_Man65> But the advanced features that NSX gives you are a different product
19:55 <+TuxedoJack> Heresiarch: Oh, I do that. THey get to go to field services for a while, to preserve their sanity
19:55 < Hunterkll> yea
19:56 < Hunterkll> there's actually 3 levels of licensing/networking for vmware
19:56 <+TuxedoJack> Then they get bumped to T2 once they know clients in and out
19:56 <+TuxedoJack> T1 is basically "fuck you, you're helldesk feed"
19:56 <@Code_Man65> And there are a LOT of VMWare admins who think it isn't worth buying
19:56 < TheTinker86> Question
19:56 < TheTinker86> 5-Port Gigabit Desktop Switch with 56W 4-Port PoE
19:56 < TheTinker86> is that up to 56w per port
19:56 < Hunterkll> Code_Man65, well, now that you can't do Nexus 1000V at all NSX is the only game in town
19:56 < TheTinker86> or 56w max amongst all ports
19:56 < coderphive> Hunterkll A valid point would be like AWS Networking vs OpenDaylight
19:56 < Heresiarch> TheTinker86: usually aggregate across all ports.
19:56 < coderphive> Hunterkll or AWS vs Calico
19:56 < admiralspark> wait, so
19:56 < genr8_> 56 total
19:56 < Hunterkll> coderphive, https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/2149722 :'(
19:56 <@JollyRgrs> PSU is 1000 watt, but not 1000 watt on every rail
19:57 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  VMware Knowledge Base
19:57 <@Code_Man65> Hunterkll:  We only use DVSwitches here
19:57 < TheTinker86> so if i run 4 cameras and they say they are 24w passive. that 4 port switch cant handle it?
19:57 < coderphive> Hunterkll Bet that's a money play too
19:57 < Hunterkll> coderphive, VMware bought some other switching company
19:57 < coderphive> Gotta pay for daddy's purchase
19:57 < Heresiarch> TheTinker86: not if they all take up peak power.
19:58 < admiralspark> can someone tell me, is there a requirement for stacked switches when doing vmware HA where you have two ports/server for each "network connection"? I can't find anywhere whether they're doing mac switching or VRRP or what their secret sauce is
19:58 < TheTinker86> Heresiarch is it better to just use individual injectors rather than a poe switch?
19:58 < Hunterkll> coderphive, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicira
19:58 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Nicira - Wikipedia
19:58 < Hunterkll> that group
19:58 < ello_govna> ...when is grep going to be able to tab complete my thoughts...
19:58 < coderphive> Hunterkll To be fair, I've mostly seen SDN used with virtualized equipment
19:59 < Hunterkll> SDN doesn't tell me fuck all about what was actually in use or what was done with it though
19:59 < Hunterkll> lol
19:59 < Heresiarch> TheTinker86: judgement call. Injectors will be more of a pain in the ass, but a switch will be more expensive. I'd prefer the latter, but that's me.
19:59 <@Code_Man65> I try to avoid injectors as well
19:59 < admiralspark> I guess my real question is: My sysadmin says every physical esx host has to have it's management, iscsi and trunked vlan ports plugged into two separate switches, which is 6 ports per goddamn host, what the hell is the reasoning of "why" that's needed when they're NOT bonding them or doing anything w/ lacp
19:59 < coderphive> Hunterkll So you'd prefer there were _more_ terms?
19:59 < Hunterkll> Or at least clarifying adjectives?
19:59 < TheTinker86> Heresiarch do you think PoE cameras that list as a 24w passive are going to need 24w constantly?
19:59 < coderphive> That's fair
20:00 < Hunterkll> like
20:00 < Heresiarch> TheTinker86: no idea.
20:00 <@Code_Man65> It's about redundant uplinks admiralspark
20:00 < Hunterkll> if someone says "oh, we're doing host isolation with dynamic firewall configuratoin/routing"
20:00 < Hunterkll> i know exactly what the hell they're doing
20:00 < Hunterkll> if someone says "oh we implemented SDN to handle our VMs"
20:00 < Hunterkll> i have no fucking clue whwat they're smoking
20:00 < felda|> Code_Man65 I'm going to have to interjectors here and tell you that what you are referring to is GNU+RAID
20:00 < coderphive> Hunterkll Like how we divide hypervisors into Types?
20:00 < TheTinker86> Heresiarch you used BV-Tech before for switches?
20:00 < Hunterkll> I... guess?
20:00 < Heresiarch> TheTinker86: nope.
20:00 < Hunterkll> I mean, you could take all the existing tech, trash the term SDN, and still be fine describing it
20:00 < admiralspark> Code_Man65: right, but, how does it test and cut over the redundant uplkinks? keepalives out each port?
20:01 < TheTinker86> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B005GAATOG/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1
20:01 < coderphive> Type I hypervisors, Type II hypervisors
20:01 <@Code_Man65> ESXi itself monitors the link status
20:01 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, that, and for what it's worth, with multiple iSCSI links let you do multipathing for better bandwidth/performance
20:01 < Hunterkll> coderphive, yes, but those terms have been around since virtualization was a thing
20:01 < Hunterkll> all the way back to the 1960s
20:01 < Hunterkll> maybe not in those words, but the meanings
20:01 < admiralspark> oh, Code_Man65 okay. I'll go look at the config there. Right now it's got three of the ports shut down
20:02 < coderphive> Hunterkll Right
20:02 < admiralspark> I don't think they actually need to be stacked switches it plugs into
20:02 < Hunterkll> coderphive, SDN is just lumping a shitload of different tech under one term
20:02 <@Code_Man65> They don't have to be stacked, no.  That's just for switch level redundancy
20:02 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: but that's only if multipathing is enabled or if you have lacp working
20:02 < admiralspark> we don't
20:02 < admiralspark> I checked
20:02 < Hunterkll> I could go back to a 1960s MVS operator on a system/360 mainframe and discuss virtualization with only changing the worlds
20:02 < coderphive> Now we call them Virtualization and Containers
20:02 < Hunterkll> words
20:02 < Hunterkll> not worlds
20:02 < admiralspark> Code_Man65: right, that was what I thought. I was told they couldn't deal with split brain and needed one mac table
20:02 < admiralspark> so
20:02 < admiralspark> I'm calling bs
20:02 < admiralspark> :)
20:02 < coderphive> Hunterkll I think SDN refers to the deployment, management, and auditing of existing network protocols
20:03 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, not if ESXi is keeping one link down while the other's active
20:03 < coderphive> via code, in an SDLC fashion
20:03 < alazare619> 6 months of logs from this channel is 280MB
20:03 < alazare619> jesus you fucks talk alot
20:03 < Jekotia> I am tempted to make the scripts I develop and distribute at work have a 1 in 10,000 chance of ignoring what the user asked and instead running "echo "(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻""
20:03 < Hunterkll> coderphive, which has always been possible, there's just a bit more focus now on polshing it up
20:03 < Hunterkll> polishing it even
20:03 < GreyKite> Jekotia: do it
20:03 < coderphive> Hunterkll Possible, sure, not done efficiently or effectively at all
20:03 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: right....which wouldn't be LACP
20:04 < Jekotia> GreyKite: Knowing my luck, it will happen every. damn. time.
20:04 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, you need vsphere distributed switch to do LACP anyway
20:04 < coderphive> At some point in iteration you have to differentiate two larges phases Hunterkll
20:04 < Hunterkll> and iSCSI should NEVER be LACP'd
20:04 < GreyKite> Jekotia: well, then you have a bug
20:04 < coderphive> Hunterkll humans do that with words
20:04 < admiralspark> we have dvswitches, don't worry, but it's not enabled
20:04 < admiralspark> yeah
20:04 < admiralspark> the iscsi is a box I'm not allowed to touch so it's a magic black realm right now
20:04 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it's just muddying the water and everyone is using the term on all their fancy new shit
20:04 < coderphive> Hunterkll you're always going to have idiots that do that
20:04 < Hunterkll> coderphive, when in reality, an automation tool that had some logic to generate cisco config files and the Nexus 1000V virtual switch would do the same thing
20:05 < admiralspark> I think we very innefficiently hooked up a single 10g connection to each host, hence it maxing it out when they should be lacp bonding and splitting the load
20:05 < Hunterkll> even including the cross-host layer-2 spanning, etc
20:05 < coderphive> sigh
20:05 < coderphive> I'm going to go back to coding
20:05 < Hunterkll> it's just easier
20:05 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i've yet to see an "SDN" implementation that couldn't be achived via other means, though more difficult.
20:05 <@JollyRgrs> 542MB for 4 yrs and 2.5 months
20:05 < Hunterkll> it's a cleaner interface
20:05 < Hunterkll> that's it
20:05 <@JollyRgrs> my logs aren't that big
20:05 <@JollyRgrs> and i'm pretty much 24/7 never off of here
20:05 < Jekotia> GreyKite: Currently I use "echo "(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻" && exit 666" for those rare instances where it feels like you need something, even though the script should never actually execute something in that location
20:05 < Hunterkll> which is valuble
20:06 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: true redundancy would require dual switches, regardless of LACP or not.
20:06 < Hunterkll> but for fucks sake people when you say SDN say what fucking tech you mean
20:06 < technonerd> Fedex portal worked for 5 mins, down again
20:06 < Hunterkll> coderphive, and there's people who set up automatic vlan tagging and host isolation and scream LOOK WE DO SDN now
20:06 < Hunterkll> (for VM deployments)
20:06 < technonerd> Incoming missing 1 day sla :(
20:06 < Hunterkll> lol
20:07 <@JollyRgrs> isn't SDN just software defined networking?
20:07 < Hunterkll> lol
20:07 <@JollyRgrs> so it is just referring to the fact that you can script your network configging... why are we talking about SDN vs actual things to configure within the network?
20:07 <@JollyRgrs> seems they are totally apples and bananas
20:07 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, I dislike the blanket overuse and broadness of the term SDN which doesn't describe any one particular technology in general
20:08 < Hunterkll> and maintain that it's all been possible before, we're just getting far more refined interfaces to do it
20:08 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: right, sorry, what I meant is I think they don't realize their servers aren't port bonding even thoguh they claimed they were
20:08 < admiralspark> hmm
20:08 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: SDN should be used in the same way as saying "our servers are virtualized vs physical boxes" or "we have scripted config mgmt for our networks"
20:08 <@JollyRgrs> you can't say "oh, our servers are protected behind SDN"
20:08 <@JollyRgrs> that's just nonsense
20:09 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: SDN is a loosely defined buzzword
20:09 < admiralspark> here
20:09 < Hunterkll> YES
20:09 < Hunterkll> there we go
20:09 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: depends. On the mgmt ports, they don't need to be. On the iscsi side, they functionally are (MPIO). On the frontend/trunked ports, who cares?
20:09 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, but coderphive said he'd kick me if i said that it was a buzzword
20:09 < Hunterkll> :(
20:09 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: https://thenetworkcollective.com/2018/05/hon-software-defined-networking/
20:09 <@JollyRgrs> well good thing coderphive can't kick you
20:09 <+layer-eight> * admiralspark →  History Of Networking - Martin Casado - Software Defined Networking » Network Collective
20:09 < coderphive> JollyRgrs first of all
20:09 < Hunterkll> lol
20:09 < coderphive> I said kick him in the nuts
20:09 < coderphive> This is merica
20:09 < admiralspark> lol
20:09 < coderphive> I got freedom
20:10 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, fuck you i hate videos
20:10 < Hunterkll> why can't people type shit up anymore
20:10 < Hunterkll> i'm downgrading all you fucks to 28.8k
20:10 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: thanks. They were bullshitting me about it needing some special sauce that it didn't, just standard VMware setups
20:10 < coderphive> second of all
20:10 < Hunterkll> ..... i wonder if ancient AOL software can still connect....
20:10 < Hunterkll> hmmmm
20:10 < Hunterkll> i need another ESDI drive for my PS/2 to try this
20:10 < Hunterkll> wait
20:10 < coderphive> Just because we iterated on a technology doesn't mean you get to constantly say it's the same old shit just slightly better
20:10 < Hunterkll> I have a PC/XT clone and a commodore colt ...
20:10 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: it's a goddamn discussion, get over it, watch it unless you want it written out like a play :P
20:11 < coderphive> That's completely ignorant
20:11 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm not saying it's the 'same old shit just slightly better' - it's a refined, new interface for existing functions
20:11 < coderphive> If you want the language to be more concise then use it that way
20:11 < Hunterkll> the interface is what's changed
20:11 < coderphive> "We use calico for policy isolated networking"
20:11 < coderphive> Cool
20:11 < Hunterkll> and more bits are linked into each other
20:12 < coderphive> Hunterkll Would you like me to copy paste?
20:12 < coderphive> Because I will
20:12 < coderphive> and you just got excited when someone said it was a buzzword
20:12 < Hunterkll> it really is though
20:12 < Hunterkll> because there's so many disparate techs under its umbrella
20:12 < coderphive> You're one of those people who buzzwords buzzword
20:12 < coderphive> Everything is a buzzword
20:13 < coderphive> DevOps is a buzzword because it's not that different from Agile, Agile is a buzzword because it's not that far different from XP
20:13 < Hunterkll> DevOps isn't a buzzword
20:13 < Hunterkll> it's a warning
20:13 < Hunterkll> to stay away
20:13 < coderphive> Immutability is a buzzword because we have a word called "stateless"
20:14 < Hunterkll> "we're a devops shop" is a sign for me to not take the offer
20:14 < Hunterkll> :p
20:14 < coderphive> These words actually have substantive meaning, they're not all CIO jibber jabber
20:14 < Hunterkll> I'm aware
20:14 < coderphive> but yeah if you pay attention to how the idiots use them, that's what you'll think
20:15 < Hunterkll> Agile at least, has a defined methodogy and a lot of stuff
20:15 < coderphive> So be a smart person or make fun of the idiots
20:15 < Hunterkll> but Microsoft's SDN and VMware's SDN are wildly different
20:15 < coderphive> Good
20:15 < Hunterkll> from how they work to how you interface with them
20:15 < coderphive> They should be
20:15 < coderphive> Because now the industry is figuring out how to iterate on SDN
20:15 <+NinjaStyle> fuuuuck my allergies
20:15 < coderphive> and when SDN is solidified there'll be something new
20:15 < Hunterkll> night and day difference to the point where you really can't call them even in the same realm of tech
20:15 <@JollyRgrs> i wonder how many companies moved to agile in IT just so they can blame P1s on being "agile" and "it happens"
20:15 < coderphive> JollyRgrs Most of the industry
20:16 <@JollyRgrs> "it's ok guys, it's ok, this P1 is not an issue, we're an agile company! this is normal!"
20:16 < Hunterkll> but it's all existing tech interfaced differently
20:16 < Heresiarch> JollyRgrs: none of them did it for that reason, but it was a nice bonus.
20:16 < Hunterkll> it's operations that changed, not the underlying tech
20:16 < coderphive> I usually ask people questions based on XP to see if they jive with it. If they don't it's clearly not a holistic agile shop
20:16 < Hunterkll> interfaces
20:16 < coderphive> and?
20:16 < coderphive> You're getting caught up in the semantics
20:17 < coderphive> It's fundamentally different
20:17 < Hunterkll> coderphive, implementing and working with it, i just don't see how
20:17 < coderphive> okay
20:17 < coderphive> That's fine
20:17 < Hunterkll> it's easier, yes, but not different - it works under the hood the same way
20:18 < Hunterkll> expanded fabric capabilities, better routing techniques, just being brought down in cost from the high end cisco land to everywhere land
20:19 < Hunterkll> see
20:19 < asimon> Whooo
20:19 < Hunterkll> In the simplest possible terms, SDN entails the decoupling of the control plane from the forwarding plane and offloads its functions to a centralized controller.
20:19 < Hunterkll> that description is pretty easy to grok
20:19 < asimon> just realized I haven't saved in like 3 hours
20:19 < asimon> that could have been bad
20:19 < Hunterkll> but at the same time .... that's how cisco extended fabrics have worked since they were introduced
20:20 < coderphive> Look dude, you don't recognize iteration. I get it.
20:20 < Hunterkll> I do
20:20 < coderphive> I'm not even saying that sarcastically
20:20 < coderphive> A lot of people don't
20:20 < Hunterkll> but "SDN" wasn't really a term when the cisco Nexus line was introduced
20:20 < Hunterkll> but later on when SDN became a term, it was applied to the nexus line
20:20 < Hunterkll> and nexus line is pretty much textbook SDN when you go the full stack
20:21 < coderphive> So?
20:21 < coderphive> Then we don't give it a name?
20:21 < alazare619> [2017-10-02 13:46:56] <JFDkthx> _tim actually in my angst filled 13 year old brain, it stood for just fucking die. that was until someone with the name blahlahUSMC asked me if it stood for 'Just for dicks', i asked him, if his stood for 'U suck mad cock'
20:22 < Heresiarch> Hunterkll: Nexus/UCS was actually an SDN-ish platform. And it was a thing when Nexus was introduced, even if it was still very much in the realm of unicorn farts and fairy dust (at the time).
20:23 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: i got the domain hak.gg last night
20:23 < Hunterkll> Heresiarch, well, Nexus wasn't even really the first example of it - not even in cisco tech
20:23 < Hunterkll> but that was all the way back in 2008
20:23 < technonerd> .isup fedex.com
20:23 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: short domain ftw
20:23 < Hunterkll> lol
20:23 <+NinjaStyle> technonerd: yes
20:24 < coderphive> alazare619 what does that even mean
20:24 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it's a larger shift to centralized management, control based from a single point instead of individual devices .... the individual devices don't really change what they do, just where/how they're managed. which is great for simplifying and great for bouncing stuff together / rapid implementation / automation / etc .... why not just call it centrally controlled networking or something instead
20:25 < coderphive> You're getting way too hung up on semantics
20:26 < Hunterkll> it just seems like i've been doing "SDN" in various incarnations for 15 years and it just now in the past 5 has a wildly new, often misused term
20:26 < coderphive> Config Management doesn't just manage config
20:26 < coderphive> But it's a term that I use to identify specifics subsets of software and practices
20:26 < coderphive> This isn't Latin bruh
20:26 < Hunterkll> see, there's the question is what's that specific subset.
20:27 < Hunterkll> because what you define SDN isn't the same as Code_Man65 states which isn't the same as JollyRgrs states
20:27 < coderphive> Right, but we get pretty close
20:27 < Hunterkll> some people argue that openflow isn't SDN
20:27 < coderphive> which is all that really matters
20:27 < Hunterkll> some people argue that just centralized control isn't SDN
20:27 <@Code_Man65> Still going, eh?
20:27 < coderphive> Nearly every company I've been to uses Config Management in a different way
20:28 < coderphive> But we can have a conversation around it, which is what makes it important as a term
20:28 < Heresiarch> Code_Man65: admit it, it's fun to watch.
20:28 <@Code_Man65> coderphive:  Some are still starting their config managment journey
20:28 < coderphive> Code_Man65 ++
20:28 < coderphive> Honestly good for them
20:28 <@Code_Man65> And have people who don't get why you want to
20:29 < coderphive> Early days of config management sucked
20:29 < Hunterkll> pfffff
20:29 < Hunterkll> SMS 2003 rocked
20:29 < Hunterkll> .... at the time
20:29 < coderphive> The idea is that these terms are used for people to communicate an idea
20:30 < coderphive> Not that those ideas all need to be the exact same
20:30 < admiralspark> was about to scold you Hunterkll
20:30 < admiralspark> :P
20:30 < Hunterkll> right, but if you say 'config management ' i have a ballpark of what you're aiming for
20:30 < admiralspark> coderphive: thank you
20:30 < Hunterkll> you say 'SDN' and you could be talking about firewall automation for all I know
20:30 < asimon> Heresiarch: There's some real vitriol in here today
20:30 < asimon> I thought it was supposed to be friday
20:30 < Hunterkll> or weird ass asynchronous routing dances
20:30 < coderphive> Hunterkll and the term will likely evolve
20:30 < coderphive> as iteration occurs
20:31 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: but, you don't though. Config management could be Ansible provisioning, or Chef check-ins, or scripted remote management against a sql db, or one-click provisioning in $proprietary_bullshit_cisco_app
20:31 < Hunterkll> it's had 6-7 years in its current confusing incarnation :P
20:31 < coderphive> admiralspark ++
20:31 < Heresiarch> asimon: ehh, it's largely professional. Dogmatic perhaps, but still enlightening. :)
20:31 < coderphive> Hell, I use config management in building immutable infra
20:31 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, those all have a common similarity
20:31 <@Code_Man65> admiralspark:  You mean the overly complicated POS that is Cisco CloudCenter?
20:31 < coderphive> but we get _close_ to having a discussion
20:31 < admiralspark> they are very different but fall under the umbrella.
20:31 < admiralspark> Code_Man65: that's my trigger workd
20:31 < Hunterkll> they're at the core not that different
20:31 <@Code_Man65> We looked at CloudCenter, way too damn complicated
20:32 < coderphive> Hunterkll same thing with SDN
20:32 <@Code_Man65> The CMP we selected for our initial use is Morpheus
20:32 < coderphive> They're all trying to solve the same problem
20:32 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, they're all much closer than say, automating vlan provisioning and doing host isolation on the internal vswitch with ACLs
20:32 < Hunterkll> those are wildly different
20:32 < Hunterkll> everything you listed has a commonality to it
20:32 < coderphive> You're focusing on individual implementations
20:33 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: no. My Ansible playbooks are completely different everything from my jinja templates that generate cisco configs, which is completely different than my docker scaling with kubernetes. One is line-by-line provisioning, one is dynamically generating specific device configs from a database input, one is load-based decision making of container scaling up and down based on people visitng a
20:33 < admiralspark> service
20:33 < coderphive> rather than the idea that SDN is being able to version and iterate networking detached from some raspberry pi hardware management plane
20:33 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, yet they're all examples of centralized management of configuration for software or hardware systems
20:33 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: that can be done with one tool though
20:34 < admiralspark> SDN is a very broad concept that has evolved. SDN is centralized management of the abstracted network.
20:34 < coderphive> ^
20:34 < admiralspark> SDN is an equivalent term to config management in how wide the field is
20:34 < admiralspark> coderphive and I can talk SDN and I'm here talking about BGP redirection while he's talking about vm network provisioning with NSX
20:34 < Hunterkll> I mean, I did state earlier that this - In the simplest possible terms, SDN entails the decoupling of the control plane from the forwarding plane and offloads its functions to a centralized controller. - was a good enough answer
20:34 < admiralspark> tooooootally different
20:35 < Hunterkll> even though it's just 'oh no, new tech! nevermind, i'm already doing this but now we have new words'
20:35 < admiralspark> eh. That's the buzzword description though.
20:35 < admiralspark> hmm
20:35 < Hunterkll> i mean, that's basically saying centralized config management for the network
20:35 < Hunterkll> :p
20:35 < admiralspark> ^^ this actually :P
20:35 < coderphive> Well then I guess it's good enough to call CFEngine Config Management
20:35 < admiralspark> it really is, if you think about it. It just is...networking back up at l7 instead
20:36 < Heresiarch> coderphive: ...hold up there, Satan.
20:36 < coderphive> lmao
20:36 < admiralspark> lol
20:36 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i mean, it is though, and so is SCCM
20:36 < Hunterkll> though
20:36 < Hunterkll> at least in SCCM's case it's right in the name
20:36 < Hunterkll> :p
20:36 < coderphive> Someone put a bullet in me
20:36 < coderphive> This world is too dark now
20:36 < Hunterkll> coderphive, CFEngine is the only tool you're allowed to use now
20:37 < admiralspark> FabricPath is what I'd say one target of SDN is. The vm's don't need to know their network configuration (routing) they just need to know their end host they need to talk to...so FabricPath abstracts l2/l3 away from what it was and makes it a "happy family mesh"
20:37 < coderphive> ^
20:37 < JFDkthx> coderphive: GARBAGE DAY
20:37  * JFDkthx shoots coderphive
20:37 < admiralspark> doesn't matter if it's a DC or six of them
20:37 < JFDkthx> coderphive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gIpuIVE3k
20:37 <+layer-eight> * JFDkthx →  YouTube → Garbage Day! (high quality) → ⚘ 7,227,074 ↑ 51,486 ↓ 745 ✍ 9,030
20:37 < coderphive> The ultimate goal of any infra automator is to abstract the infra away from the user
20:38 < coderphive> and make it self-servicing
20:38 < Hunterkll> coderphive, but i've been doing that since system center 2007! :o
20:38 < Hunterkll> :P
20:38 < coderphive> Cool
20:38 < coderphive> Anyway
20:38 < coderphive> I need to go talk to my boss about the $20 switch our CEO prefers I buy
20:38  * Hunterkll replaces coderphive's dev workstation with a gateway2000
20:39 < Hunterkll> coderphive, ohhhhhh is it 10/100 too?
20:39 < Hunterkll> unmanaged? :D
20:39 < Hunterkll> from ebay?
20:39 < coderphive> Probably
20:39 < asimon> gateway
20:39 < coderphive> We're going to end this in bruises
20:39 < asimon> that's a name I've not heard in a long time
20:39 < coderphive> it's okay though
20:39 < Hunterkll> coderphive, hey i nkow a 14 year old who could probably buy a better switch =p
20:39 < coderphive> This is my life now
20:39 < Hunterkll> asimon, they're still a thing in europe
20:39 < Hunterkll> coderphive, he kinda knows computers, he could consult for you to your CEO
20:39 < Hunterkll> and just repeat the mantra of "Cisco 3850X" over and over again
20:39 < AnimalFarmPig> TPLink Green 1000 8 port from Fry's?
20:40 < asimon> no way
20:40 < AnimalFarmPig> If you need more than 8 ports, just buy a few and daisy chain them together
20:40 < asimon> Shit I didn't know they got acquired by acer
20:40 < Hunterkll> asimon, http://www.gateway.com/gw/en/US/content/home
20:40 < Hunterkll> :P
20:40 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home Gateway
20:42 < asimon> That's fascinating
20:43 < asimon> I like how they don't have specs for their notebooks anywhere on that site
20:44 < alazare619> for some reason windows 7 machine 1 sees a ssl cert as invalid windows 10 machine sees it as valid windows 7 shows the certificate does not have enough information to verify this certificate
20:44 < alazare619> windows 10 sees everything any advice?
20:45 < Heresiarch> alazare619: ecdsa cert or sha2 signature?
20:45 < alazare619> well heres whats strange the good machine sees the root ca
20:45 < alazare619> the bad machine isnt showing the root ca
20:46 < alazare619> under path
20:46 < Heresiarch> is win7 still under support?
20:46 < technonerd> im hand writing fedex labels D:
20:46 <@Code_Man65> Until January of 2020
20:47 < alazare619> all our other win7 machines are fine too
20:47 < alazare619> its just this one machine
20:47 < Heresiarch> hm. So it should be up to date on the CA bundle (assuming it gets patched).
20:47 < TheTinker86> rj45. standard crimp vs straight through, what do you guys htink
20:47 < alazare619> its a Starfield Root Certificate Auhority - G2 is what hte parent path of the CA should be under
20:48 < Heresiarch> alazare619: the cheap way would be to try to import the ca cert.
20:48 < alazare619> already did it
20:48 < alazare619> its not matching the cert to the parent autheority
20:48 < alazare619> s oits not doing ssl
20:48 < Heresiarch> intermediate cert?
20:48 < alazare619> yea
20:48 < Heresiarch> no, as in, did you import both as trusted on the box?
20:51 < coderphive> I literally just want to buy a Ubiquiti 16 port
20:51 < coderphive> It's not even that much
20:51 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VDQ79lCH/image.png
20:51 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 73,765 bytes
20:51 < coderphive> Hell, I'd settle for the Cisco SMB's
20:52 < dragonfleas> Just got approved for a great deal on an apartment
20:52 < dragonfleas> I'm super excited
20:52 < coderphive> is it down by the river?
20:52 < dragonfleas> Been staying with my parents for a month and it's been horrible
20:52 < Heresiarch> alazare619: hmm. So it's not the CA chain. Can you show the details/general tabs?
20:52 < dragonfleas> coderphive, yeah it's the new doublewide van, with full functioning A/C down by the river
20:53 < alazare619> the right window is the good one
20:53 < coderphive> dragonfleas didn't we talk about this when you decided to go to your parents to save money?
20:53 < alazare619> the left window is the bad one
20:53 < alazare619> the left one cant even see the CA chain
20:53 < coderphive> dragonfleas tbh I did the same for a bit when I got out of the military
20:53 < coderphive> dragonfleas nothing shameful about it, very stressful though
20:53 < Heresiarch> alazare619: ahhhh, ok. Stupid question time, then. Is the box up-to-date on patches?
20:53 < coderphive> dragonfleas congrats regardless
20:53 < alazare619> its a brand new imaged install
20:53 < Heresiarch> ...is the image patched up to date?
20:54 < alazare619> as of a month or two yea
20:54 < dragonfleas> The new apartment I got has granite countertops, smart fridge, big bedroom, bump out sunroom, fireplace, extended balcony/patio
20:54 < dragonfleas> built in 2012
20:54 < dragonfleas> they're only 750 a month
20:54 < ebol4> what is a smart fridge
20:54 < ebol4> damn that's cheap
20:54 < alazare619> wsus thinks the box is fully patched
20:54 < dragonfleas> ebol4, it's got custom settings for like different items and sections of the fridge
20:54 < dragonfleas> and apps
20:54 < dragonfleas> you can look up recipes and shit
20:54 < ebol4> web browser so you can jerk it while cooking
20:55 < Heresiarch> alazare619: dunno then. Theoretically the CA chain should be installed on the Win7 box, but it's obviously not. Not sure why.
20:55 < dragonfleas> it looks like this
20:55 < dragonfleas> https://www.homedepot.com/p/Samsung-24-6-cu-ft-Family-Hub-French-Door-Smart-Refrigerator-in-Stainless-Steel-RF265BEAESR/301328387?cm_mmc=Shopping%7cG%7cBase%7cD29A%7c29-13_REFRIGERATION%7cMULTI%7cNA&gclid=CjwKCAjw3cPYBRB7EiwAsrc-uTnZJ2bUavI4a14E5sKIqcDjt_4ENSBCvcNjoWY4xpJk4MU-zhP0zxoC91YQAvD_BwE&dclid=CKDLpYaSs9sCFY6vZAodcgQIKQ
20:55 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uaRZIqrb/image.png
20:55 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 65,431 bytes
20:55 < alazare619> Heresiarch:
20:56 < dragonfleas> issued to * ?
20:56 < Heresiarch> alazare619: well...depending on how cheap you're feeling, you could just install the cert and have done.
20:56 < coderphive> wow that came down in price
20:56 < coderphive> $2200
20:56 < coderphive> Too bad it runs Tizen
20:56 < alazare619> its a wildcard
20:56 < alazare619> yea Heresiarch  but what area
20:56 < alazare619> ive put it in trusted root ca
20:57 < Heresiarch> no, it wouldn't go there. There's a spot in the cert store for just trusted certs, but it's been a minute since I've fiddled with Windows.
21:00 < alazare619> ok the cert is in EVERY data store
21:00 < alazare619> and its still detecting this cert as invalid
21:00 < alazare619> whatthe actual fuck
21:01 < Heresiarch> only thing I can think of is sha2 support. I know that had to get patched into Win7, but not sure when.
21:01 < khelpw> Anyone here with sonicwall experience ever seen a situation in which a site-to-site VPN works fine from wired connections, but not from wifi, despite L2 bridge being enabled between LAN/WLAN?
21:01 < Heresiarch> (or, I could just be full of poo)
21:01 < admiralspark> alazare619: what is detecting it as invalid?
21:02 < admiralspark> does it not trust the root?
21:02 < admiralspark> whats the error?
21:02 < alazare619> see above screen shots admiralspark
21:02 < admiralspark> okay
21:02 < admiralspark> it's obvious
21:03 < hexmonkey> holy shit i'm back and this is what i come back to?
21:03 < hexmonkey> BORING
21:03 < admiralspark> your trusted root CA is not in your trusted root CA directory in certmgr
21:03 < admiralspark> alazare619:
21:03 < alazare619> admiralspark: i'm looking at it
21:03 < alazare619> and it is tho
21:03 < admiralspark> and no, I don't mean intermediate
21:03 < alazare619> i have it in trusted root cert authoritys
21:04 < admiralspark> not this certificate, but the CA?
21:04 < alazare619> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sldW3q10/image.png
21:04 < admiralspark> and your CRL and whatnot is public/available to this machine?
21:04 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 499,141 bytes
21:04 < AnimalFarmPig> <coderphive> Too bad it runs Tizen    <--- Tizen isn't bad, but I agree-- they could have gone with WebOS
21:05 < alazare619> i'm not sure what crl is
21:05 <@Code_Man65> Certificate Revocation List
21:05 < admiralspark> alazare619: can you snip me the "Issuer:" field from the certificate in question?
21:05 < hexmonkey> fuck this i'm out
21:05 < SOLxCrono> rip
21:05 < admiralspark> Yeah, you have to have the CRL and other components accessible, otherwise it can't verify trust up to the root CA
21:06 < admiralspark> but it looks like a public cert?
21:06 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig webos looks neat
21:06 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: I had a HP Pre2 with WebOS. Best mobile OS I ever used. Fantastic phone too.
21:06 < gnupluslinux> People suck
21:06 < coderphive> tbh I wish I knew more device coding
21:07 < coderphive> I feel so inferior
21:07 < admiralspark> alazare619: this is a publicly signed cert right
21:07 < alazare619> admiralspark: every other windows 7 device in network is fine
21:07 < admiralspark> yeah
21:07 < alazare619> and yes its publicly signed by starfield
21:07 < coderphive> I get imposter syndrome learning go tho, lmao
21:07 < admiralspark> it looks like this one can't trust all the way to the root
21:07 < coderphive> "do I really belong here"
21:07 < coderphive> "why am I so stupid"
21:07 < coderphive> "you literally just read that documentation"
21:08 < alazare619> yea its like it cant read in a field the name of the root
21:08 < gnupluslinux> Cause you suck coderphive
21:08 < admiralspark> to do so, the intermediate has to be present or you have to be able to query upstream of it....I bet starfield has several intermediates
21:08 < coderphive> gnupluslinux tru
21:08 < alazare619> admiralspark: pm me
21:08 < coderphive> look at this fine specimen of a nick
21:12 <@cryptic1> JollyRgrs, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> coderphive, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> admiralspark, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> gnupluslinux, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> felda, back to work
21:12 <@cryptic1> Hunterkll, back to work
21:12 < Hunterkll> fuck off
21:13 <@cryptic1> A-KO, back to work
21:13 <@cryptic1> killdash9, back to work
21:13 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
21:13 < rhqq> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:13 <@cryptic1> Code_Man65, back to work
21:14 < felda> cryptic1 I'm gonna be done in 15 minutes
21:15 <@Code_Man65> cryptic1:  I am working, I'm watching the progress bar of a vmdk download that I need to convert to a VHD and upload to azure and then create an image from
21:15 < hxcsp> progress bars are the best
21:15 <@cryptic1> Code_Man65, lies thats the old "I am compiling" excuse
21:16 <@cryptic1> take your borland turbo c complier and get back to work
21:16 <@Code_Man65> It's either that or I work on getting aws setup so splunk can ingest its logs
21:16 <@Code_Man65> Which I know you are all about
21:16 <@cryptic1> grrrr
21:16 < felda> Code_Man65 only feeds his cats tictacs
21:16 <@cryptic1> felda its true he tweets it all the time
21:17 <@Code_Man65> Don't you felda, I mean have you smelled a cats normal breath?
21:17 < felda> Code_Man65 well I used to live with 25 cats so yes
21:18 < hxcsp> i knew felda was some sort of cat woman
21:18 < hxcsp> explains the pfsense
21:18 < Hatter> felda: you definitely have toxoplasmosis
21:18 < Hatter> good luck with that
21:18 <@cryptic1> s/used to/still
21:18 <+layer-eight> [SED cryptic1/felda] Code_Man65 well I still live with 25 cats so yes
21:18 < felda> when I was 8 my mom started fostering cats
21:18 < DomLS3> oh shit
21:19 <@cryptic1> Hatter, lol
21:19 < DomLS3> wb layer-eight
21:19 <@cryptic1> DomLS3, you stop it stop it right now
21:19 < felda> from ages 10-22 while I still lived at home I did all the litter boxes every day for 20 cats
21:19 < DomLS3> cryptic1: don't you tell me what to do
21:19 < Hatter> ban
21:19 <@Code_Man65> Fine, I will
21:19 < felda> I probably have some form of cancer from the cat litter box dust
21:19 <@cryptic1> DomLS3, back to work
21:19 < DomLS3> cryptic1: back to WORK
21:19 <+AnonymooseWork> felda
21:19 < asimon> Woah
21:19 <+AnonymooseWork> that sounds like a shitty job
21:19  * nurdie smiles
21:20 < DomLS3> ABUSE
21:20 < DomLS3> somebody call a mod
21:20 < DomLS3> oh wait
21:20 < Hatter> do you guys like asset tags
21:20 < Hatter> how do you use them
21:20 < DomLS3> they're all crooked
21:20 <@Code_Man65> Is it esnesfp abuse?
21:20 < DomLS3> now it is
21:20 < DomLS3> and it's also pfsense abuse
21:21 < nurdie> we use asset tags as our hostnames + inventory
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> nurdie... same
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> well
21:21 < felda> you think you know cats?
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> DSK+Assettag is desktop
21:21 < felda> YOU DON'T
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> NBK+tag= notebook
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> ...
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> yeah your the cat man...
21:21 < The_Cat_Man> scoobady doodop
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
21:21 < The_PFSENSE_Man> The_Cat_Man: fuck yo cats
21:21 < nurdie> interesting. our's is just asset tags
21:21 <@Code_Man65> So would you say your childhood was a catastrophe?
21:21 < The_Cat_Man> Code_Man65 somebody said the magic word
21:21 <+AnonymooseWork> ugh
21:22 < nurdie> we record what it belongs to in an inventory spreadsheet
21:22 < The_Cat_Man> Code_Man65 yes sir
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> nurdie - yeah
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> so?
21:22 < MillerBoss> The_PFSENSE_GRL
21:22 < The_PFSENSE_Man> The_Cat_Man: Actually somebody changed their nick to the magic word
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> When i joined here we were naming machines by the persons name
21:22 < The_PFSENSE_Man> They didn't say it
21:22 < Hunterkll> IN LIGHT OF RECENT ACTIONS IN THIS CHANNEL
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> but
21:22 < nurdie> lol
21:22 < Hunterkll> I HAVE UPDATD MY WEBSITE --> https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
21:22 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> wait theres more
21:22 < The_PFSENSE_Man> pfsense
21:22 < The_Cat_Man> Code_Man65 can you do the needful The_PFSENSE_Man
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> so in my case it would be AMoose-PC
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> and if i got a new PC?
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> AMoose-PC1
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> PC2
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> PCx
21:22 < nurdie> hahaha
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> ...
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> fucking bullshit
21:22 < Hatter> EPA paid $1,560 for 12 fountain pens, emails show
21:22 < DomLS3> ayy Code_Man65 bet you won't op me again
21:22 <+AnonymooseWork> on of my other sites named all their workstations 'bigdog'
21:22 < DomLS3> lol
21:23 < Hatter> that's not such a scary headline
21:23 < Hatter> khelp and I pay more than that for our fountain pens
21:23 <+AnonymooseWork> Hatter - fountain pends
21:23 < DomLS3> Code_Man65 my code > your code
21:23 <+AnonymooseWork> err
21:23 <+AnonymooseWork> Hatter they were free range, organic, american made fountain pens
21:23 < Hatter> what
21:23 <+AnonymooseWork> using american made ink
21:23 < khelpw> Hatter: ~$130 each, probably a bunch of pelikan M200s or something
21:23 < Hatter> yeah what's the big scandal
21:23 <+AnonymooseWork> hehe
21:24 < khelpw> Right? It's not like they all got Nakayas or something
21:24 <+AnonymooseWork> Made in Vachina
21:24 < pfsense> ayyy lmao
21:24 < pfsense> oof
21:24 <+AnonymooseWork> cpffee time... brb
21:24 <+AnonymooseWork> time to get some cofefe
21:25 < DomLS3> covfefe
21:25 <@Code_Man65> At least he wasn't buying these pens:  https://www.gouletpens.com/namiki-emperor-maki-e-fountain-pen-kylin-medium/p/PN61430
21:25 < nurdie> covfefe is life
21:25 < DomLS3> Code_Man65 u mad bro
21:25 <@Code_Man65> Nope
21:26 < DomLS3> you seem mad
21:26 < khelpw> Those aren't even especially crazy for Maki-e stuff
21:26 < DomLS3> +q'ing and kicking
21:26 <@Code_Man65> Nope, just waiting for this vmdk download to finish
21:26 < DomLS3> Trying to suppress the truthful words of the wise
21:26 <@Code_Man65> Has 11GB to go
21:26 < DomLS3> Sounds like you should +v me for those 11GB
21:26 <+giant_it_burrit> what order are gpo's applied?
21:28 <@Code_Man65> giant_it_burrit: Local, Site, Domain, OU
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> and if 2 domain are there
21:28 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBbQyXZvkbA
21:28 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Beastie Boys - Brass Monkey (Live At Madison Square Garden) → ⚘ 3,450,910 ↑ 11,800 ↓ 466 ✍ 1,339 → * Content Restrictions
21:29 < pfsense> Code_Man65 did you see that /r/sysadmin thread about the software that uses MS Access as the backend and now is  trying to work with a 100GB+ database?
21:29 <@Code_Man65> Yes, I did
21:29 <@Code_Man65> I cringed
21:29 <+giant_it_burrit> for example, Code_Man65 domain default is to block usb , then i create nother domain wide one to allow for a select group
21:29 <@Code_Man65> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/musings_of_a_technical_tam/2012/02/15/group-policy-basics-part-2-understanding-which-gpos-to-apply/
21:29 <+layer-eight> * Code_Man65 →  Group Policy Basics – Part 2: Understanding Which GPOs to Apply – Midnight Musings of a Technical TAM
21:29 < felda> the big thing for me was "$12,000 per user per month"
21:29 <@Code_Man65> That will answer your questions giant_it_burrit
21:29 < felda> that really fucking killed me
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> ugh
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> my 4GB VM disk for my unifi controller, i need to expand
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> PITA
21:31 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
21:31 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Bloodhound Gang - The Bad Touch → ⚘ 246,792,519 ↑ 958,538 ↓ 57,924 ✍ 77,382
21:31 <@Code_Man65> Just buy a cloudkey JollyRgrs and be done with it
21:36 < alazare619> JollyRgrs:  just move to amplifi
21:36 < alazare619> screw all the unifi crap not worth it for a home network
21:36 < ThatOneRoadie> mawp
21:36 < ThatOneRoadie> unifi ap here
21:36 < ThatOneRoadie> one UAP AC Pro and I can pick it up from the stop sign at the end of my block (I live in the middle of the block)
21:37 < alazare619> UAP here just because you can pick it up doesnt mean your device can report back far enough
21:37 < niklasye> I use unifi AP at home, I like it a lot
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> trying to trade a couple of 3750G's with POE for a USG Pro and a 48 port switch with poe
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> let me rephrase that
21:37 < alazare619> people always assume just because it can blast that far doesnt mean your device can "polo" back to it
21:37 < ThatOneRoadie> my wifi still works at the stop sign at the end of my block
21:37 < alazare619> thats suprising
21:37 < Hunterkll> ThatOneRoadie, did you see my new site? https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
21:37 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
21:38 < alazare619> my phone can see my wifi probably a good 500 feet away
21:38 < alazare619> but cant report back
21:38 < alazare619> i have the "LR" model UAP AC LR
21:38 < ThatOneRoadie> there's a link that's gonna stay blue
21:38 < Hunterkll> ThatOneRoadie, it's actually safe for work
21:38 < Hunterkll> and related to this IRC channel
21:38 < ThatOneRoadie> https://i.imgur.com/YxhCJAR.gifv
21:38 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  I Don't Believe You gif Remade for your convenience
21:39 < Hunterkll> lol
21:39 < Hunterkll> it actually is though
21:39 < alazare619> Hunterkll: did i make it on the list?
21:39 < Hunterkll> alazare619, no, you're just an idiot
21:39 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSqp-W1pWoU
21:39 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Do You Wanna Touch Me (Oh Yeah) - 1984 → ⚘ 5,492,422 ↑ 39,163 ↓ 1,178 ✍ 1,478
21:39 < alazare619> love you to Hunterkll
21:39 < admiralspark> So, is felda... DomLS3 ? or is he just not using authentication with his nick
21:39 < Hatter> hey alazare619 are you feeling better than this morning? what was all that about anyway?
21:39 < Hunterkll> ThatOneRoadie, it's true. it's actually SFW. there's only one image on the page and it's an under construction image
21:39 < Hunterkll> :P
21:39 < Hunterkll> i borrowed some of felda's web design skills
21:40 < ThatOneRoadie> https://i.imgur.com/VQeqlrg.gifv
21:40 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  Imgur
21:40 < binaryhermit> hmm, that's why my bluetooth mouse wasn't working, it was turned off
21:40 < alazare619> Hatter: just past stuff
21:40  * binaryhermit is an idiot sometimes
21:40 < Hunterkll> ThatOneRoadie, hahahahaha the one time i'm actually not lying
21:40 < Hunterkll> binaryhermit, is this site SFW or what https://www.hugebuttholes.com/
21:40 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
21:40 < Hunterkll> now, it might not be safe for preventing geocities flashbacks
21:40 < Hunterkll> but i guarantee it's safe for work
21:40 < MillerBoss> This could be bad https://www.techmeme.com/180601/p15#a180601p15
21:40 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Techmeme: Sources: Microsoft has recently held talks to buy GitHub, which was valued at $2B in the latest financing round in 2015 (Business Insider)
21:40 < binaryhermit> I'd argue the url makes it nsfw
21:40 < Hatter> does that site work by ip address
21:40 < Hunterkll> Hatter, no
21:41 < Hunterkll> it's on namecheap shared hosting
21:41 < ThatOneRoadie> MillerBoss, doesn't surprise me since they moved their entire repo to git
21:41 < Hatter> then I'm never going there
21:41 < Hunterkll> binaryhermit, well, true, i guess since it's a list of all the huge buttholes in this channel it's NSFW
21:41 < Hunterkll> by virtue of the fact that it mentions cryptic1
21:41 < Hatter> woaaah I better not be on there
21:41 < Hunterkll> Hatter, you'll just have to check for yourself now won't you?
21:41 < DomLS3> admiralspark: I am Felda's father
21:41 < Hatter> can someone check
21:41 <@cryptic1> Hatter, i doubt you would be
21:41 <@cryptic1> hatter check it
21:41 < Hunterkll> cryptic1 is the only one who has stars
21:41 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, there are people who who think that means the writing is on the wall for TFS (and I don't disagree with them)
21:42 < Hunterkll> yes hatter
21:42 < Hunterkll> check the huge butthole
21:42 <@cryptic1> because reasons
21:42 < Hunterkll> CHECK IT
21:42 < alazare619> heres Hunterkll source code guys
21:42 < admiralspark> DomLS3: HE TOLD ME YOU PKILLED HIM
21:42 < jaelae> what just happened
21:42 <@Code_Man65> At least I'm #2
21:42 < alazare619> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/DQCQI65Q/
21:42 <+layer-eight> * alazare619 →  Snippet | IRCCloud
21:42 <@cryptic1> reminds me of geocities
21:42 < Hatter> maybe I'll check it on the wayback machine in a month or so
21:42 < jaelae> i contacted lenovo support and said my mouse trackpad buttons do not work
21:42 < DomLS3> Hunterkll: why u copying felda.io
21:42 < jaelae> and this was the first response:
21:42 < Hunterkll> i'm not
21:42 < Hunterkll> DomLS3, felda uses new shit
21:42 < DomLS3> admiralspark: I did. then I pressurected him
21:42 < Hunterkll> i'm limitiung myself to 1998 tech
21:42 < jaelae> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BFZ8oOjn/trackpad_issue.jpg
21:42 <+layer-eight> * jaelae →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 100,798 bytes
21:43 < DomLS3> 526522
21:43 < Hunterkll> jaelae, atleast they're efficient?
21:43 <+giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: still unclear. will something set at priority 1 or 2 be changed by something further down?
21:43 < jaelae> :|
21:43 <+giant_it_burrit> aka do you set domain default at the bottom
21:44 < jaelae> not gonna ship back my laptop but i didnt get an option to say no thanks
21:44 < jaelae> lol
21:44 < jaelae> they just left
21:44 < spstarr> anyone familar with kubernetes and minikube?
21:44 < spstarr> if so, how do I specify in the container spec how to use a docker image that is local and not to be pulled?
21:47 < AnimalFarmPig> woo. That was exciting. Client sends me a message on slack asking me to check something, and its URGENT. The software I've been working on talks to a component in airplanes. Apparently, they have a plane sitting on the runway ready to take off for first in-flight test and can't see the device in our system.
21:48 < AnimalFarmPig> turned out we had the device associated with a dummy customer for test purposes and it was quick and easy fix
21:48 <+ihre> > slack, urgent
21:49 <+ihre> well, glad you figured it out, but fuck, feels like slack isnt the right channel for urgent communications :P
21:49 < AnimalFarmPig> it's the best way to get ahold of me at work, tbh
21:49 <+ihre> haha for me its the exact opposite
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, I remember I was in a sprint retrospective at previous job. Scrum master gets a slack message from developer on another team, "Can you come by my desk?" Turned out the guy was collapsed on the floor of his cube.
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> sudden severe vertigo, couldn't stand up, ambulance came, etc.
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> he was fine, but we gave him shit for using slack for that
21:52 < silentfury-s4pro> AnimalFarmPig: But he couldn't remember the emergency services new #! -0118, 999, 881, 999, 119, 7253.
21:52 < AnimalFarmPig> Dear Sir/Madam: FIRE! FIRE!
21:53 < silentfury-s4pro> ^5
21:53 < silentfury-s4pro> severe vertigo is no joke
21:53 < silentfury-s4pro> i had a case of that back in march
21:53 < ebol4> everyone has a u2 phase
21:55 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fAi8Jc2hrw
21:55 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Britny Fox - Girlschool → ⚘ 3,953,579 ↑ 19,000 ↓ 1,041 ✍ 2,103 → * Content Restrictions
21:55 < MillerBoss> Wow I forgot all about using a paper bag for a book cover in school.
21:56 <+giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: fell down and cant get up
21:56 <+giant_it_burrit> call felda
21:56 < ebol4> anyone else got "my neck, my back" stuck in their head
21:56 <@Code_Man65> Nope, busy
21:57 <@Code_Man65> Anyway giant_it_burrit, you should try to limit gpo's linked at the domain level
21:57 <@Code_Man65> You should instead link at the OU level and control order of precedence
21:57 <+giant_it_burrit> im rebuilding soon
21:57 <+giant_it_burrit> proper ou's and all
21:57 < silentfury-s4pro> depending on size of org, new domain forest might be better
21:58 <+giant_it_burrit> its all new
21:58 <+giant_it_burrit> 3 domains in a new forest
21:58 <+giant_it_burrit> domain admins no longer have just 1 acct
21:58 <+giant_it_burrit> default policy blocks usb drives. i made a second one to allow a group to use them
21:59 < ebol4> JollyRgrs: you ever heard richard cheese's rendition of My Neck, My Back
22:02 <+giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: what about if it is a group im limiting . for example a group to be allowed to use usb drives
22:04 < Hunterkll> giant_it_burrit, why the fuck 3 domains?
22:04 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk
22:04 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Rush - Tom Sawyer → ⚘ 21,462,424 ↑ 135,796 ↓ 4,819 ✍ 10,253
22:04 <+giant_it_burrit> Hunterkll: 3 companies
22:04 < Hunterkll> oh
22:04 < Hunterkll> in one forest?
22:04 < Hunterkll> they better all be one tangled legal entity
22:04 <+giant_it_burrit> we are
22:04 < Hunterkll> cuz ad domains aren't considered security boundaries...;)
22:05 <+giant_it_burrit> 2 of the 3 companies are wholely owned by the 1st
22:05 < Hunterkll> man wtf
22:05 < Hunterkll> i'm missing these damn stupid rail slide/clip things
22:05 < Hunterkll> drive rails
22:13 < alazare619> my neck my back lick my balls and my ass
22:16 < MillerBoss> >Looking forward to the big rebranding to Microsoft GitHub Team Cloud Services for Enterprise 365 2019®.
22:16 < corn266> NinjaStyle I'm comin for that booty
22:17 < corn266> my flight leaves at 7:39 eastern
22:18 <+TuxedoJack> https://work.qz.com/1289727/vermont-will-pay-you-10000-to-move-there-and-work-remotely/
22:18 <+layer-eight> * TuxedoJack →  Vermont will pay you $10,000 to move there and work from home — Quartz at Work
22:18 <+TuxedoJack> God DAMN it, so fucking tempted
22:20 <+TuxedoJack> Especially considering Burlington has municipal gigabit fiber for $80 a month
22:21 < MillerBoss> Does this mean GitHub has their own servers and not using GC, AWS, or Azure? https://www.peeringdb.com/net/5152
22:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  PeeringDB
22:21 <@JollyRgrs> so installing openjdk-9-jre-headless still wants to install x11-common and bloats the package to almost 300MB for install
22:21 <@JollyRgrs> what do?
22:22 < MillerBoss> Wait till Monday
22:22 < corn266> you what JollyRgrs
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> but then you have to live in Vermont. It's so cold there. And flannely.
22:22 < corn266> can you not install it headless?
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: I ran into that problem about a year ago
22:22 <+TuxedoJack> AnimalFarmPig: I'm a bleeding heart liberal, I'd fit right in.
22:22 <+TuxedoJack> Also Ben & Jerry's
22:22 <+TuxedoJack> So there's that
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: it's a problem with the package's dependencies. Even though it's headless, the package still wants to install x11common
22:23 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: CentOS/RHEL, right?
22:23 < corn266> is it inappropriate to leave a voicemail for my dad saying to stop fucking and call me back
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: this is for debian
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> just took it from wheezy to stretch
22:23 <@JollyRgrs> but need to get java 9 on it
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> well, at leastr 8... but might as well do 9
22:24 < corn266> why do you need java 9??
22:24 < corn266> lambda expressions were already implemented in java 8
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: unifi controller
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> i don't NEED 9
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> as i stated, i need at least 8
22:24 < corn266> then install 8 ffs
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> but when i installed 7, if 8 was avail and i install 8, i wouldn't have to update it
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: yio uare missing the point
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> i'm pretty sure 8 is the same issue
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> headless still wants to install x11 components
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> waste of space and i'm strapped for space
22:25 < corn266> sorry I'm trying to get my parents to stop fucking and pick up the phone
22:25 < corn266> so make room and uninstall
22:25 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: they gotta make another child... you weren't good enough
22:25 < vinrock> jolly if you read your last few sentences to a beat in your head it kinda sounds like a rap song
22:25 < corn266> both their cords are cut @Joll
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: they can still try... vigorously
22:26 < corn266> stop
22:26 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: interesting. I ran into this exact problem on CentOS. I visited CentOS support IRC channel and mentioned it. Then they explained that it was not a bug-- everything was working exactly as it should. When I pointed out that x11-common isn't really needed for a headless jre and I shouldn't have to install it, they agreed. So, when I asked where to report this as a problem, they insisted it wasn't actually a problem. At this
22:26 < AnimalFarmPig> point, I got tired of dealing with it and just installed it with all the x11 dependencies.
22:26 <@Code_Man65> I maintain my previous statement of just buy the cloudkey and be done with it :P
22:26 <+NinjaStyle> corn266: gey
22:27 < corn266> JollyRgrs AnimalFarmPig as long as you can uninstall then you shall be fine
22:27 <@JollyRgrs> with only 628 MB free, i care about installing an extra 100+MB jsut for crapp X11 stuff on a headless unit
22:27 < corn266> NinjaStyle I. AM. COMING. FOR. THAT. BOOTY.
22:27 <+NinjaStyle> so i lost all my blog markdown files
22:27 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: that's what your dad said
22:27 <+NinjaStyle> im trying to rebuild
22:27 < corn266> nah he's more of a swiggity swooty type @JollyRgrs
22:27 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: can't uninstall because one of X is a dependencies of one of the headless jre's dependencies. Uninstalling the X11 components uninstalls the JRE as well.
22:27 < AnimalFarmPig> unless you force, I guess
22:28 < corn266> I was under the impression you could selectively uninstall modules
22:28 <@Code_Man65> If it is marked as a dependency you are going to have to install it
22:28 < corn266> wasn't this the point of linux is the first place
22:28 <@Code_Man65> No real qay around that
22:28 < MillerBoss> Doesn't https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/220066768-UniFi-How-to-Install-Update-via-APT-on-Debian-or-Ubuntu take care of all the dependencies JollyRgrs?
22:28 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  UniFi - How to Install & Update via APT on Debian or Ubuntu – Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center
22:28 <@Code_Man65> s/qay/way
22:28 <+layer-eight> [SED Code_Man65] No real way around that
22:29 < AnimalFarmPig> yes, your package manager takes care of dependencies, and if you uninstall something that other programs depend on, it will (by default) uninstall those programs as well rather than leave you with a broken system
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: i might just try it that way
22:30 < MillerBoss> Great. I hope it works out for ya.
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: i THOUGHT i had already done that (and I did)
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> but mine still says unifi5 and not "stable"
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> i might wanna change that
22:32 < gavit> Anyone use graphite? Im trying to get the output from proxmox to graphite.
22:32 < MillerBoss> Also if you have not seen it yet the latest release notes https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Updates-Blog/UniFi-5-6-37-LTS-Stable-has-been-released/ba-p/2318810
22:32 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  UniFi 5.6.37 LTS Stable has been released - Ubiquiti Networks Community
22:33 <@Code_Man65> I'm running 5.7.23 on mine
22:34 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: still no go, even trying to apt-get install unifi for the update
22:34 <@JollyRgrs> The following NEW packages will be installed:
22:34 <@JollyRgrs>   ca-certificates-java libxtst6 openjdk-9-jre-headless unifi x11-common
22:34 <@JollyRgrs> i guess i have no choice really then
22:34 <@JollyRgrs> Code_Man65: yeah, i'm at 5.6
22:34 < MillerBoss> Then you would look at https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Updates-Blog/UniFi-5-7-23-Stable-has-been-released/ba-p/2318813 Code_Man65
22:34 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  UniFi 5.7.23 Stable has been released - Ubiquiti Networks Community
22:35 <@Code_Man65> I'm running the cloudkey MillerBoss, I just tell it to update every so often
22:35 < MillerBoss> Ahh. Also https://unms.com/ is getting neater and neater
22:35 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  UNMS - Ubiquiti Network Management System
22:35 < asimon> Can someone give me a sanity check that an nvidia p1000 will not fit in a dell precision 5530
22:36 < asimon> I got a quote with that line item and it smells like bullshit
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: i have no clue?
22:36 < asimon> Just looking at it
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> i don't keep those type of things in off the top of my hea
22:36 < asimon> https://www.pny.com/nvidia-quadro-p1000
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> i can't look at it, i'm not spying with you
22:36 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  NVIDIA Quadro P1000
22:36 < asimon> That's not gonna fit in a laptop
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> oh
22:36 <@JollyRgrs> iwasn't even paying attn
22:37 <@JollyRgrs> so it's not an internal laptop card
22:37 < asimon> I don't think so
22:37 <@JollyRgrs> well, what sanity check do you need?
22:37 <@JollyRgrs> there IS an option, however
22:37 <@Code_Man65> External GPU
22:38 <@JollyRgrs> they have thunderbolt docks for external GP
22:38 <@JollyRgrs> U
22:38 < asimon> shit maybe it does fit
22:38 < asimon> it's an option on the dell website
22:38 <@JollyRgrs> well, it won't fit
22:38 < asimon> that just seems ridiculous
22:39 < technonerd> Fedex is up fedex is down rinse and repeat
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> unless that laptop has a PCI style slot on the side or is stupid thick with a grill for the fan
22:39 < technonerd> Poor fedex
22:39 < dragonfleas> what the fuck is mongodb
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/razer-core-v2
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: db (that unifi controller uses, no less)
22:39 < dragonfleas> is it attractive? or ugly?
22:39 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: don't ask me, it is ugly to me
22:40 <@JollyRgrs> default scheme has it need a like a 2 or 4gb temp file just on initial load
22:40 <@JollyRgrs> i had to jump through hoops as i was trying to fit it on a 4GB VM
22:40 <@JollyRgrs> (HDD space)
22:41 <@JollyRgrs> but other than that... i'm no expert to opinion about it
22:41 < asimon> Also why the hell is this reseller's quote 25% more expensive than buying directly from Dell
22:41 < asimon> this is just weird
22:42 < dragonfleas> asimon, just DM a VAR brotha
22:43 < asimon> i dont
22:43 < asimon> i just
22:43 < asimon> fuck
22:43 < asimon> it's too late on a friday to deal with this
22:43 < asimon> i'm going home
22:44 < AnimalFarmPig> dragonfleas: mongodb is web scale
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: just use sharding. Shards are the secret ingredient in the web scale sauce. They just work.
22:45 < jaelae> Ah
22:49 < admiralspark|afk> JollyRgrs: why in 2018 are you making vm's with 4gb disk?
22:49 < admiralspark|afk> AnimalFarmPig: god damnit you kids and your elastic databases
22:49 < admiralspark|afk> oops
22:51 < Schalla> AnimalFarmPig, only if you use nodejs as backend
22:52 < admiralspark> anybody here use Ansible in the real world? How do you organize your inventory files?
22:52 < admiralspark> Mine is a freakin ini-style mess
22:55 < ebol4> i just had some groups for various things
22:55 < ebol4> like a group for physical servers and a group for vm's
22:55 < ebol4> a group for web servers, group for dns servers
22:57 < admiralspark> hmmm
22:57 < admiralspark> and then you just apply your playbooks or roles to the large groups?
22:57 < ebol4> yeah, like if i need to roll out a change to the... dns servers, or something... then i'd use those host groups
22:58 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: in case you're one of the lucky 10,000 today-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
22:58 <+layer-eight> * AnimalFarmPig →  YouTube → Episode 1 - Mongo DB Is Web Scale → ⚘ 469,965 ↑ 4,339 ↓ 122 ✍ 203
22:58 < ebol4> that very rarely happened though
22:58 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: I was just playing ;)
22:58 < AnimalFarmPig> ahh.. okay :)
22:58 < ebol4> pretty much any time i ever used ansible was for pushing changes to all servers, or running a long playbook on one or two servers
22:59 < admiralspark> ebol4: yeah, that's mostly my use case, I think I've just been breaking it down into groups that were too specific
22:59 < admiralspark> I just checked and the vast majority of my playbooks run against the super group anyway
23:00 <+ihre> AnimalFarmPig: love that animation
23:00 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
23:01 <+ihre> close to 200mil ipo ~_~
23:01 < FenJai> Visa cards in EU are offline
23:03 <+ihre> but then again, comp i worked for made a ~370mil ipo, its a fad tho, just read its valued close to 1 bil :p
23:06 < admiralspark> FenJai: we've been laughing about how bad this could be....and then realized our CC processor is not as large and is more lkely to die
23:13 < Spr1ng> Hey do AT&T dynamic IP's for a fibre connection at a business change quite often?
23:13 < admiralspark> depends on the area Spr1ng but the answer for whatever you're trying to do is "yes"
23:13 < Spr1ng> I'm in Canada so I have no idea how the US ISP's work in this regard.  Up here, you can have a dynamic IP for several years.
23:14 < admiralspark> that's why buying/renting a static is a thing
23:14 < admiralspark> so
23:14 < admiralspark> in the US, you ask the carrier for a static IP(s)
23:14 < admiralspark> then they reserve that DHCP address for you
23:14 < Spr1ng> oh, sounds like how Telus operates here.
23:15 < AnimalFarmPig> First of the month is a bad day for Visa card processing to die
23:15 < AnimalFarmPig> glad I switched from my Visa to my AMEX for my hosting billing last month
23:15 < Spr1ng> Ism
23:16 < Spr1ng> Isn't it just in the EU?
23:17 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, but my hosting provider is in the EU
23:17 < Spr1ng> :(
23:19 < AnimalFarmPig> if it's just visa that's down, then I should be fine-- switched to amex
23:20 < admiralspark> Mastercard and Amex are having issues too because they route transactions through Visa's CC processing networks
23:20 < admiralspark> infra-wise
23:20 < AnimalFarmPig> well shit
23:21 < MillerBoss> https://www.techmeme.com/180601/p9#a180601p9
23:21  * AnimalFarmPig checks to make sure his hosting isn't suspended
23:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Techmeme: Visa says it is experiencing a service disruption preventing some Visa transactions in Europe from being processed (Patrick Collinson/The Guardian)
23:21 < MillerBoss> https://twitter.com/anth0nypears0n/status/1002589500265070593
23:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Anthony Pearson on Twitter: "Can’t refill car and dumped it on central reservation of motorway. Have set fire to it so noone will steal it and am now walking north, into the wind, with nothing but a torch, a sharp stick and Murray mints for sustenance....
23:21 < MillerBoss> lol
23:21 < AnimalFarmPig> okay, servers still up, that's good
23:22 < admiralspark> Good, so it's not all of the area
23:22 < AnimalFarmPig> or my hosting provider just hasn't suspended me for non-payment
23:22 < MillerBoss> https://twitter.com/jonathanhaynes/status/1002582948166725632
23:22 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Jonathan Haynes on Twitter: "This is the kind of story that really worries me - that one day it’ll be state sponsored hackers and just the start of an all out assault on our banks and financial institutions that will destroy civilisation as we know it....
23:23 < L3gacy-FREE> So....  ready for news?  $EXBOSS said he WILL enforce the non compete I never was given to sign LOL
23:23 < MillerBoss> Yes get out the https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Denrbv_W4AASNdC.jpg:large
23:23 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 43,082 bytes
23:23 < MillerBoss> Isn't non compete pretty much illegal these days?
23:23 < L3gacy-FREE> Yup...
23:23 < L3gacy-FREE> He said if I take another IT job within a year, I'll be sued peniless
23:24 < L3gacy-FREE> Who's hiring?
23:24 < AnimalFarmPig> lol
23:24 < AnimalFarmPig> Non-competes are still a thing, but they're very limited
23:24 < L3gacy-FREE> I should tell him : "Do you want arson?  Because this is how you get arson"
23:24 < khelpw> That seems like an entirely reasonable way to end up locked the fuck up.
23:24 < khelpw> but you do you
23:24 < L3gacy-FREE> He's already threatening to ruin my career
23:25 < khelpw> Great, if what you said is true - let him try, then countersue him for legal fees
23:25 < L3gacy-FREE> I got texts.  My lawyer would be like "nom nom nomz"
23:25 < khelpw> Great, do it and move on.
23:25 < Sousapro> khelpw: ++
23:25 < L3gacy-FREE> How you doing Khelpw?
23:25 < Sousapro> he won't do it
23:25 < L3gacy-FREE> work treating you good?
23:25 < AnimalFarmPig> Offer to sign a non-compete for $$$$
23:25 < Sousapro> AnimalFarmPig: +++
23:25 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm don with that boss
23:25 < AnimalFarmPig> Let him send over an unenforcable non-compete saying you can't take any tech job
23:26 < Sousapro> tell him you would be glad to sign the non-compete for a years pay at 2x market rates
23:26 < L3gacy-FREE> My mental health is more important
23:26 < AnimalFarmPig> sign it, collect $$$$, get another job
23:26 < Sousapro> AnimalFarmPig: LOL
23:26 < khelpw> ^^ what they said.
23:26 < khelpw> then take his money again when he sues you
23:26 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
23:26 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm actually going full SSI for now
23:26 < L3gacy-FREE> I need to "do me"
23:26 < AnimalFarmPig> use the money he paid you the first time to hire a good lawyer for the second time
23:26 < Sousapro> L3gacy-FREE: crappy bosses are the worst
23:26 < L3gacy-FREE> I need to get my mental health correct
23:27 < MillerBoss> Looks like 5+ hours https://twitter.com/VisaNewsEurope/status/1002579704161951745
23:27 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  VisaNewsEurope on Twitter: "We are currently experiencing a service disruption which is preventing some Visa transactions in Europe from being processed. We are investigating the cause and working as quickly as possible to resolve the situation. We wil...
23:27 < L3gacy-FREE> Sousapro: especially at $10/hr, demanding I get MS certs, and not wanting to pay for them
23:27 < Sousapro> L3gacy-FREE: yeah, that's not reasonable
23:27 < MillerBoss> Those @replies though
23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> wow, sounds like a shit job
23:27 < Sousapro> L3gacy-FREE: would he have reimbursed?
23:27 < L3gacy-FREE> No, Sousapro
23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> and exactly the kind of place that will threaten to sue you if you get another job
23:27 < Sousapro> L3gacy-FREE: he can sit and rotate
23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
23:28 < L3gacy-FREE> My stress has been so bad my IBS is on overdrive
23:28 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm back on xanax, ffs
23:28 < L3gacy-FREE> Already got the guidance center helping me apply for the full SSI
23:28 < L3gacy-FREE> Gonna use that money and time to get correct
23:29 < L3gacy-FREE> And might even stop streaming in the mean time, though I enjoy it
23:29 < AnimalFarmPig> living the dream
23:29 < L3gacy-FREE> Eh... more of a nightmare
23:29 < L3gacy-FREE> SSDI was reapproved, but only 597/US/Month
23:29 < AnimalFarmPig> free money is always a dream
23:29 < vader-> i wonder tech wise what the problem is with Vias
23:29 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, only $600...
23:29 < vader-> visa
23:30 < L3gacy-FREE> that covers my rent/fios/cooking gas
23:30 < vader-> blaming hardware
23:30 < L3gacy-FREE> khelpw: got a sec?
23:30 < khelpw> Sure
23:31 < vader-> L3gacy-Free what do you stream?
23:31 < L3gacy-FREE> WoW/LoL/Hots
23:31 < trash1e> porn probably
23:31 < L3gacy-FREE> Why watch, when you can partcipate?
23:31 < AnimalFarmPig> L3gacy-FREE: do you have a lot of time left on your lease? You could break it and hang out somewhere poor and sunny for a while. Money will go further.
23:32 < trash1e> if i lasted more than 3 seconds i would stream it
23:32 < L3gacy-FREE> AnimalFarmPig: My lease is up in Sept
23:32 < AnimalFarmPig> Spend a couple months in Mexico. Easy to get a visa.
23:33 < L3gacy-FREE> Cant get a passport, legally
23:33 < AnimalFarmPig> That's my dream-- start collecting NEET bucks, move to poor/middle income country, do contract work under the table
23:37 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm gonna use the SSI to get my CCENT, CCNA, Net+, and sec+
23:37 < L3gacy-FREE> then back to the job market.  I hate sitting on my duff
23:39 < alazare619> L3gacy-FREE: just ride the trade all the way to america
23:39 < L3gacy-FREE> I am in the US
23:39 < alazare619> get a forwarding address in mexico back to america
23:39 < L3gacy-FREE> just cant legally get a passport, as I said
23:40 < alazare619> you need a SSN?
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> Child support arrears.  I have NO ISSUE paying CS, or paying the arrears
23:40 < alazare619> i can get you a SSN us mexicans we know people man
23:40 < alazare619> just dont ask how we get the SSN's
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> It's jsut that my ex said she would BLOCK the restoration of my passport
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> she's petty
23:40 < alazare619> you need someone to off her vato?
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> no.  I still care about her
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm nto gonna be "that dick"
23:41 < L3gacy-FREE> We have a 19 yr old together.  He's amazing
23:41 < alazare619> you just wana give her the dick still
23:41 < L3gacy-FREE> no
23:41 < MillerBoss> https://www.fedex.com/ even they are having issues for some time today
23:41 < L3gacy-FREE> I care about her health, safety, and well being
23:41 < khelpw> IDK, 19 is plenty old enough to handle the loss of a parent
23:42 < khelpw> :D
23:42 < alazare619> BUT SHE DONT CARE ABOUT YOU
23:42 < vader-> visa probably had an old netgear hub that failed somewhere
23:42 < vader-> hehe
23:42 < L3gacy-FREE> I'm still not gonna be that "damned baby daddy"
23:42 < L3gacy-FREE> vader-: ++
23:42 < L3gacy-FREE> It was a token ring one, vader-
23:42 < admiralspark> alazare619: some people can't handle breaking the bad out of their life man. No matter what we do
23:43 < alazare619> apparently
23:43 < alazare619> well then find her some good dick
23:43 < alazare619> that good good dick with some cocaine on it
23:43 < alazare619> she will forget all about you and blocking your visa
23:43 < L3gacy-FREE> I need to learn to code.
23:43 < AnimalFarmPig> wait, 19? How the hell does that work? Aren't you free after 18 years?
23:43 < admiralspark> CIHCAIIINE
23:43 < L3gacy-FREE> Buddy moved to NYC, making 40k here
23:43 < L3gacy-FREE> no... I still have back support
23:43 < L3gacy-FREE> he was just offered 110k today
23:43 < L3gacy-FREE> Dang programmers
23:44 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: welcome to the modern legal system. You can wait 18 years and then demand child support back pay for all 18
23:44 < jaelae> Most jobs are into 6 figures throughout nyc
23:44 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, get right, move to high cost of living, high salary area, pay off back support
23:44 < jaelae> Though coding isn’t tops
23:44 < khelpw> You _need_ 6 figures to even think about commuting into NYC
23:44 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: world is fucked
23:44 < Spr1ng> Does AT&T block outbound connections to servers on port 25 from business fibre connections in Houston?
23:44 < khelpw> you need to be DEEP into 6 figures to think about living there
23:44 < L3gacy-FREE> My buddy lives in Woodlawn, Queens
23:44 < jaelae> I work for a nyc company but they let me work from home full time
23:44 < jaelae> And I live in jersey
23:44 < jaelae> Same salary though
23:45 < L3gacy-FREE> Nice, jaelae
23:45 < jaelae> On the flip side a lot of companies in Georgia are hurting for employees
23:45 < khelpw> Yeah, ~100k you can live in queens/bk and commute into manhattan
23:45 < jaelae> So my last gig people kept moving down there and quit to go to another company
23:45 < jaelae> And were paid more
23:47 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: agreed
23:48 < L3gacy-FREE> Is programming really the way to go for $$$?
23:49 < alazare619> short answer is not really
23:49 < L3gacy-FREE> jaelae: I'm in NJ
23:49 < alazare619> management is where moneys at
23:49 < alazare619> strong it background + a degree in business administration
23:49 < alazare619> = D to C level
23:49 < admiralspark> yep
23:49 < AnimalFarmPig> From what I can see, programming gets you more money than admining
23:49 < jaelae> I’m in somerset now eating a shitt steak waiting for a tech
23:49 < admiralspark> Architect positions also pay out the ass but they're years and years to get into
23:49 < AnimalFarmPig> although management also gets money
23:50 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: I make more than many programmers in cybersec :P
23:50 < alazare619> admiralspark: more like you are waiting for a grey beard to fall over dead
23:50 < admiralspark> huehuehue
23:50 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: I make more than most sysadmins as a dev :P
23:50 < admiralspark> was it poison? Who knows?
23:50 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: what language? Specific niche field?
23:50 < alazare619> the as400 rebooted and he died from heart attack
23:50 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: Python, not really, just fairly senior
23:51 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: specifically backend stuff building API's, talking to databases, designing databases, building data pipelines
23:51 < alazare619> as400 gurus can pull easy 300k +
23:51 <+TuxedoJack> Spr1ng: AT&T blocks 25 outbound EVERYWHERE
23:51 <+TuxedoJack> On everything
23:51 < admiralspark> oh snap AnimalFarmPig that's one of the paths I'm considering
23:51 <+TuxedoJack> You have to call in and ask to be unblocked
23:52 < AnimalFarmPig> Spr1ng, TuxedoJack -- Fairly common for ISP's to block 25. I know comcast and verizon do
23:52 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: it's fun a lot of the time
23:52 <+TuxedoJack> AnimalFarmPig: AT&T's done that since 2001 or so
23:52 <+TuxedoJack> I remember calling in about that in 2003 for my ADSL in Houston
23:56 < admiralspark> Most people who "do programming" are maintaining java apps for a business, it's not a high growth area. I went into cybersec because it's was a cool field and my jam is python + ansible automation in cybersec and forensics :P
23:56 < admiralspark> but I'll probably move out of this in a few years unless my role grows here
23:58 < AnimalFarmPig> Boring, internal, line-of-business applications are where it's at, imo. Companies need them, and they pay developers to build them. There's decent money to be had. There are a lot of them in Java and C#, but a growing number of them are web applications.
23:58 < AnimalFarmPig> It's not sexy, but sometimes you don't want sexy
23:59 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: yeah, true, can't argue that.
23:59 < admiralspark> I'm in a growing field right now and as long as it 'helps the business' I can spend a few spare cycles when I want to work on machine learning stuff for intrusion detection, which is awesome
23:59 < admiralspark> so entertainment is there
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