--- Log opened Sat Jun 02 00:00:26 2018
--- Day changed Sat Jun 02 2018
00:00 < L3gacy-FREE> I went to uni for network admin and cybersec
00:01 < L3gacy-FREE> this looks... interesting.. https://blog.hackster.io/udoos-new-bolt-is-like-a-raspberry-pi-turned-up-to-eleven-af5b9d7436de
00:09 < L3gacy-FREE> who is the cheapest to register a .tech domain?
00:10 < rhqq> L3gacy-FREE: what is the lowest you found so far?
00:10 < L3gacy-FREE> 18.88
00:11 < rhqq> not bad,
00:11 < MillerBoss> $14.00
00:11 < L3gacy-FREE> Where, MillerBoss ?
00:11 < rhqq> in ovh i can see $6 for 1st year and $40 for following
00:11 < MillerBoss> My reseller account
00:12 < L3gacy-FREE> MillerBoss: PM?
00:12 < MillerBoss> PM to your heart's content.
00:28 < lasagna> !dong
00:38 < Hunterkll> if anyone wants a domain
00:38 < Hunterkll> tits.forsale is available
00:38 < Hunterkll> lol
00:39 < Hunterkll> LOL
00:39 < Hunterkll> tits.chat
00:41 < Hunterkll> hahahaha
00:41 < Hunterkll> fucking.how is available
00:42 < Hunterkll> NinjaStyle, 'fucking.gg' is available too
00:42 < admiralspark> ping MillerBoss I'd like to purchase fucking.how
00:42 < admiralspark> I have a QUALITY webpage idea
00:42 < Hunterkll> its available
00:42 < Hunterkll> you dont need to ask anyone
00:42 < Hunterkll> it's $25.88/yr on namecheap
00:43 < admiralspark> yeah but he has better deals than plebians :P
00:43 < Hunterkll> i mean so do i apparenlty
00:43 < admiralspark> myself included as a pleb of course
00:43 < Hunterkll> i pay like $3 under list for the big domains
00:43 < Hunterkll> namecheap was like
00:43 < Hunterkll> U HAVE MAD DOMAINS
00:43 < Hunterkll> U GET DISCOUNT NOW
00:43 < Hunterkll> fucking.accountants
00:43 < Hunterkll> LOL
00:44 < xe0n> morning
00:51 < admiralspark> wasit
00:51 < admiralspark> Hunterkll: what about fucking.how
00:51 < admiralspark> :P
00:56 < rpifan> hi
00:56 < Hunterkll> WHAT
00:56 < Hunterkll> WHAT
00:56 < Hunterkll> oh
00:56 < Hunterkll> fuck you
00:56 < Hunterkll> it's $162
00:56 < Hunterkll> nevermind
00:56 < Hunterkll> i don't want cocaine.website anymore
00:58 < rpifan> lol
00:59 < rpifan> buy me one
01:00 < rpifan> well i just bought the bonnaroo ticket
01:01 < genr8_> grats
01:02 < genr8_> i like hearin you talk about it
01:05 < vader-> https://www.facebook.com/ozzymanreviews/videos/1827722807263578/?hc_ref=ARTUyrN_mf1GvOSAYNSuH_uQfybN63eTgZoo5KE0DPEOR3aGwPp4-k8fH2EWJOgikjc
01:05 <+layer-eight> * vader- →  Me commentary on the latest cheese... - Ozzy Man Reviews
01:05 < Hunterkll> ............... THAT WAS AVAILABLE?!?!?!
01:05 < Hunterkll> i don't even
01:06 < rpifan> do u
01:07 < m4221> Hello
01:08 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, i just boguht it
01:08 < Hunterkll> lol
01:08 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, i also got retarded.website
01:10 < rpifan> lol
01:10 < rpifan> nooo
01:10 < rpifan> thats my site
01:10 < rpifan> today we had many p0s at work
01:10 < rpifan> the whole thing was burning
01:10 < rpifan> right at 5pm
01:10 < Hunterkll> alright i need to stop sepnding money now
01:10 < Hunterkll> ive spent so much
01:10 < Hunterkll> ;_;
01:11 < silentfury-s4pro> i know that feeling
01:11 < silentfury-s4pro> April's bill really hurt.
01:12 < m4221> silentfury-s4pro: my aws bill hurt
01:12 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, i had to resupply all my gaps in my professional photography gear
01:12 < Hunterkll> >_X
01:12 < m4221> Hunterkll: do you still use film?
01:12 <@JollyRgrs> "had to"
01:12 < Hunterkll> yes
01:13 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, well, i'll be making most of hte money back next weekend
01:13 < Hunterkll> but still
01:13 < silentfury-s4pro> Hunterkll: i raise you a 5 star all-inclusive for 5 days in jamaica
01:13 < Hunterkll> i still have to go pick up the 1D X rental
01:13 < silentfury-s4pro> plus flights
01:13 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, oh, the casino gives that to me for free
01:13 < Hunterkll> minus the flights
01:13 < Hunterkll> though, mine was bahamas
01:13 < silentfury-s4pro> bahamas is more expensive
01:14 < rpifan> is it
01:14 < rpifan> nah
01:14 < rpifan> keep spending
01:14 < rpifan> go to bonnaroo with me
01:14 < rpifan> spened spend
01:14 < rpifan> im sure my bank is gonna call again
01:14 < rpifan> r u sure u want to spend all that moeny
01:14 < silentfury-s4pro> US declared war on Canada, can't go.
01:15 < rpifan> silentfury-s4pro, furry?
01:16 < silentfury-s4pro> ....?
01:16 < silentfury-s4pro> FURY
01:20 < rpifan> furry
01:24 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, here's my order history for like.... the past 3 days
01:24 < Hunterkll> https://pastebin.ca/4035158
01:24 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  pastebin - Something - post number 4035158
01:24 < lasagna> !dong
01:25 < silentfury-s4pro> Hunterkll: pretty nice, that's what.. 2k?
01:26 < Hunterkll> dunno
01:26 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, First order was the CPU and lens hood on the 27th
01:26 < Hunterkll> and last of the orders were placed today
01:29 <@JollyRgrs> so it seems unifi just absolutely does NOT support java 9... AT ALL. even though the apt-get package installs it willy nilly
01:29 < silentfury-s4pro> JollyRgrs: time to sick Oracle on them
01:29 <+precise> Fuck Oracle
01:29 <+precise> that is all
01:29 <@JollyRgrs> silentfury-s4pro: or not?
01:29 < MillerBoss> Duh JollyRgrs https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Updates-Blog/UniFi-5-6-37-LTS-Stable-has-been-released/ba-p/2318810 As of 5.6.x we dropped support for Java 6. The minimum supported version of Java is 7, but we highly recommend version 8. At this time Java 9 is not supported.
01:29 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  UniFi 5.6.37 LTS Stable has been released - Ubiquiti Networks Community
01:30 <@JollyRgrs> openjdk all the way
01:30 < MillerBoss> Jebus
01:30 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
01:30 <+precise> douknowdawey?
01:30 < MillerBoss> :P
01:30 < coderphive> Listen up
01:30 < coderphive> It's livepd time
01:30  * precise smacks coderphive 
01:30 <+precise> Oh shit
01:30 < coderphive> so this channel is dead
01:30 < coderphive> k?
01:30 < Hunterkll> huh
01:30 < MillerBoss> Hall monitor is in. Hide the pop and candy
01:30 < Hunterkll> not as bad as i thought
01:31 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, not counting my domain expenses i'm breakeven for this cycle. was only $1,364.93 to get up to speed on photo
01:31 <+precise> MillerBoss: What's your problem mang?
01:31 < Hunterkll> plus have a spare cpu
01:31 < silentfury-s4pro> Hunterkll: wasn't that far off
01:31 < MillerBoss> Whats up precise?
01:31 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, that's about how much iw as gonna be paying off in CC expenses
01:31 < Hunterkll> so it works out
01:31 <+precise> MillerBoss: Ery time I come in here you drop some stupid Hall Monitor comment
01:31 < MillerBoss> Oh so you are the hall monitor?
01:32 <+precise> MillerBoss: I mean, it seems that's what your trying to indicate...?
01:32 < coderphive> JollyRgrs is in fact a hall monitor
01:32 < MillerBoss> That is an interesting observation though.
01:32 < rpifan> come on ppl lets go to bonnaroo
01:32 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, oh, most of it is on promo 6 month no interest shit, so i can still tackle high interest ones first
01:32 < Hunterkll> neato
01:33 < silentfury-s4pro> nice
01:33 < MillerBoss> But if you think you are the hall monitor, sure. We can nominate you as the hall monitor. :)
01:33 < Hunterkll> on the plus side this will GREATLY reduce my expenses
01:33 < Hunterkll> in photo gear in the end
01:33 < Hunterkll> restoring my home processing kit
01:34 < coderphive> real infantrymen don't take pictures
01:34 < coderphive> :o
01:34 <+precise> !nominate Hall Monitor MillerBoss
01:34 < Hunterkll> coderphive, does it count if my camera SOUNDS LIke a machine gun? :p
01:34 < coderphive> kek
01:34 < MillerBoss> Too late
01:34 < Hunterkll> seriously
01:34 < Hunterkll> that fucking rate of fire
01:34 < Hunterkll> is insane
01:34 < Hunterkll> i can burn ane ntire roll of film in less than 5 seconds
01:36 < coderphive> Listen
01:36  * MillerBoss listens
01:36 < coderphive> Your boy is a machine gun expert
01:36 < coderphive> k?
01:36 < coderphive> k
01:37 <+precise> pewpewpewpewpew
01:39 < Hunterkll> lol\
01:39 < Hunterkll> coderphive, oh yea? what types :P
01:39 <+precise> The pew types
01:40 < Hunterkll> no no here's a better questio
01:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, what's the difference between the M-240B and the M-240G
01:40 <+precise> Rate of pews
01:40 <+precise> Pews per second (pps)
01:40 < coderphive> SAW, 240, Mk19, IAR, M2
01:40 < coderphive> a heat guard
01:40 < coderphive> kek
01:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, naw, sorry, wrong answer
01:40 < Hunterkll> :P
01:40 < coderphive> not true
01:41 < Hunterkll> While personally I have never fired the B variant, I hear it's used by a bunch of pussies
01:41 < coderphive> it's literally the same gun
01:41 < Hunterkll> also, the Mk19 is just fun.
01:41 < Hunterkll> yes
01:41 < Hunterkll> the difference is in who uses each one
01:42 < coderphive> tbh it's luck of the draw
01:42 < Hunterkll> Odd, the only time I saw anything that was referred to as a B was when the army pukes were trying to play with us
01:42 < coderphive> pretty sure most of the B's are retrofitted anyway
01:42 < coderphive> nope, B is still in service in the MC
01:43 < Hunterkll> Hn, perhaps it was a tripod difference then or something dumb
01:43 < coderphive> Nope
01:43 < Hunterkll> but i could have sworn that we were told the 240G was the MC variant
01:43 < coderphive> The M240G lacks a front heat guard, and as such is a few pounds lighter than the M240B
01:44 < Hunterkll> that makes sense
01:44 < coderphive> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun
01:44 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  M240 machine gun - Wikipedia
01:44 < Hunterkll> it has been a decade since i've had to think about this shit
01:44 < Hunterkll> lol
01:44 < coderphive> I don't think I'll ever forget
01:44 < coderphive> those courses are torture
01:44 < Hunterkll> bah
01:45 < Hunterkll> you forget everything given enough time and alcoholism
01:45 < coderphive> I took them CONUS, at CAX, then when I got back in 29
01:45 < Hunterkll> my tolerance for everclear is legendary around these parts
01:45 < rpifan> lol
01:45 < rpifan> alcohol
01:45 < Hunterkll> 29 Palms
01:45 < rpifan> im kinda bored after getting alcohol poisioning again
01:45 < coderphive> that's almost a year of fucking machine gun courses
01:45 < Hunterkll> a base that is an affront to humanity
01:45 < Hunterkll> lol
01:45 < coderphive> seriously fuck guns
01:45 < Hunterkll> haha
01:46 < coderphive> "why don't you own an ar"
01:46 < Hunterkll> because the 5.56 is sa shitty combat round
01:46 < coderphive> do u even no bro
01:46 < Hunterkll> the springfield armory M1A is a far superior weapon
01:46 < Hunterkll> duh
01:46 < silentfury-s4pro> firearms are fun, when handled safely and properly.
01:46 < coderphive> not at close distance
01:46 < coderphive> M1A would just blow holes in someone
01:47 < coderphive> check this stupidity out...
01:47 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, soooo skeet shooting with everclear ice tea was a bad idea?
01:47 < Hunterkll> lol
01:47 < silentfury-s4pro> shotguns recoil scares me.
01:47 < coderphive> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M27_Infantry_Automatic_Rifle
01:47 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle - Wikipedia
01:47 < Hunterkll> why?
01:47 < coderphive> so dumb
01:47 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i saw the picture and went 'huh that looks like a 416'
01:47 < Hunterkll> then read the first line
01:47 < Hunterkll> lmao
01:48 < coderphive> It's an M4 frame that's fully auto
01:48 < Hunterkll> i'm familiar with the '416
01:48 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, why?
01:48 < Hunterkll> silentfury-s4pro, I mean, i can handle 2 3/4" shells one handed
01:49 < silentfury-s4pro> why does the recoil on a shotgun scare me?
01:49 < silentfury-s4pro> I have small hands.
01:49 < Hunterkll> doing it sitting down or standing with it against your shoulder is nothin'
01:49 < Hunterkll> so?
01:49 < Hunterkll> just cuz you got a small dick doesn't mean you gotta be afraid
01:49 < Hunterkll> :>
01:49 < silentfury-s4pro> I'll stick with my 9mm thx
01:50 < coderphive> pistols are more useful anyway
01:51 < silentfury-s4pro> i like my 9mm carbines
01:52 < Hunterkll> coderphive, no way. Mk19 is the only good CQB weapon
01:52 < Hunterkll> pistols are only good for sniping
01:52 < coderphive> kek
01:52 < Hunterkll> actually
01:52 < Hunterkll> pistols are only good for getting pizza boxes
01:52 < Hunterkll> ;)
01:53 < silentfury-s4pro> I'd pickup a CZ Scorp Evo S1 if we didn't limit them up here to 5 rds.
01:53 < MillerBoss> s/actually/ackchyually
01:53 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBoss/Hunterkll] ackchyually
01:53 < coderphive> MillerBoss more like PabstBoss
01:53 < coderphive> amirite?
01:54 < MillerBoss> PBR
01:56 < coderphive> nordvpn.com/TV
01:56 < catbeard> FatTireBoss
01:56 < MillerBoss> So someone really said this is chat support about my account
01:56 < coderphive> js
01:57 < MillerBoss> You will not have vendernamehere account. Only we will be having that account. All your data will be with us.
01:57 < coderphive> lmao
01:57 < catbeard> ask them if they can set you up teh bomb
01:57 < coderphive> nordvpn uses wordpress
01:57 < MillerBoss> I asked that catbeard
01:57 < MillerBoss> No lies
01:58 < lasagna> s/account/donger
01:58 <+layer-eight> [SED lasagna/MillerBoss] You will not have vendernamehere donger. Only we will be having that account. All your data will be with us.
01:58 < catbeard> nordvpn is probably comped
02:09 < coderphive> LivePD is just going to enlist every PD ever
02:14 < jaelae> I’m doing a storage upgrade right now
02:15 < jaelae> And I’m getting all these alerts but I didn’t touch anything yet
02:15 < jaelae> Apparently infosec decided this was also a good time for external vulnerability scans
02:15 < rpifan> ohhh
02:15 < rpifan> i got something to tell yall
02:16 < rpifan> i asked what our disaster recovery / back up plan was at work
02:16 < rpifan> senior dev comes up to me
02:16 < rpifan> and says we dont need one
02:16 < rpifan> cause its all on aws
02:16 < rpifan> on multiple AZ
02:17 < MadCamel> bahaha
02:17 < rpifan> this is the senior old man dev
02:17 < rpifan> i was flabergasted really
02:18 < MadCamel> best question to ask is what happens if you're locked out of the aws account?
02:18 < DLSteve> whats an AZ?
02:18 < rpifan> availiabliy zone
02:19 < DLSteve> Ah
02:19 < rpifan> all of our passwords are now stored on last pass
02:19 < rpifan> thats recent tho
02:19 < rpifan> all of our passwords were stored in confluence / google docs / sheets
02:22 < MadCamel> At one point I worked at a company and a powerful rupert murdoch subsidiary threatened our uplinks(multihomed,bgp,multi-datacenter) with large amounts of international bad PR. On the day before xmas eve. So they pulled the plug on us and the lawyers were not available to straighten it out until after xmas
02:22 < rpifan> boy
02:22 < MadCamel> You never know what'll happen
02:22 < rpifan> i know im quiting in 8 to 10 weeks
02:24 < rpifan> shitt i gotta go to the liquor store man what will i buy
02:40 <+NinjaStyle> water
02:40 < rpifan> y
02:41 < catbeard> glenlivet
02:41 < coderphive> should I get a vanity domain to use for email?
02:41 < catbeard> always
02:41 < rpifan> yes
02:41 < coderphive> there's lastname.codes
02:41 < coderphive> lastname.io
02:41 < rpifan> how good r u at mxrecords
02:41 < catbeard> good
02:41 < coderphive> THA BEST
02:41 < catbeard> esp with spamfilter proxies
02:41 < catbeard> :)
02:41 < coderphive> especially with google apps
02:41 < coderphive> rip
02:42 < catbeard> even with
02:42 < coderphive> but for real
02:42 < rpifan> i see
02:42 < coderphive> Should I?
02:42 < rpifan> sell me one
02:42 < coderphive> firstname@lastname.codes
02:42 < coderphive> or
02:42 < coderphive> firstname@lastname.io
02:42 < coderphive> or should I find a three letter
02:42 < rpifan> suck@dick.io
02:42 < coderphive> ooo
02:43 < coderphive> taken tho
02:43 < rpifan> lol
02:43 < catbeard> https://i.imgur.com/2j28PSH.png
02:43 <+layer-eight> * catbeard →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 87,827 bytes
02:43 < xe0n> lol next door is blasting rhianna
02:43 < Alternity> meirl https://i.imgur.com/Jj3QfXX.gifv
02:43 <+layer-eight> * Alternity →  I'll fit in dat!
02:43 < xe0n> stick and stones mayyy breakk my bonnesss
02:43 < xe0n> loll
02:44 < lasagna> !dong
02:45 < lasagna> sup nerds
02:45 < lasagna> i am a pasta
02:46 < rpifan> lol
02:46 < coderphive> just one pasta?
02:46 < coderphive> that's a rip
02:47 < lasagna> i like my women like i like my strings https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SkwkvUcH/IMG_8702.JPG
02:47 <+layer-eight> * lasagna →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 102,741 bytes
02:47 < coderphive> i don't trust it
02:47 < lasagna> fight me in #donger
02:48 < coderphive> i don't trust it
02:49 < xe0n> pesto pine nut penne
02:49 < xe0n> yumm
02:50 < binaryhermit> I think the employers of America are scraping the bottom of the barrel
02:50 < Alternity> that's me!
02:50 < binaryhermit> no, it's me
02:51 < binaryhermit> for reasons I'd rather not share I'm applying for low-end wage slave jobs
02:51 < binaryhermit> part of them being that I'm thoroughly unqualified for more
02:52 < binaryhermit> and Wally World seems poised to give me a second interview
02:53 < binaryhermit> not only are my qualifications short, I've got a suspected and untreated case of the disease formerly known as asperger's
02:53 < genr8_> nobody is gonna feel bad and give you a job cause you an aspie
02:53 < genr8_> better keep that to yourself
02:55 < genr8_> what pisses me off is that IT should have a place for every aspie to have a job doing aspie things by themselves and being highly productive and not socially fucked with
02:55 < genr8_> but instead companies ask for well spoke, highly well adjusted, team players and aspie-types get left in the dust
02:57 < genr8_> i hate reading job offers that list 10 lines of flowery euphemisms for all the soft skills and social graces I dont have
02:57 < rpifan> i have soft skills
02:57 < rpifan> more hten most
02:58 < rpifan> but sometimes at work it shows
02:58 < rpifan> that im off kilter
02:58 < genr8_> yeah i'm fine too.. until i'm not
02:58 < coderphive> tbh
02:58 < coderphive> It can be hard to find places for people that can't work in teams
02:59 < coderphive> Not all people that are on the spectrum can't though
03:00 < genr8_> i can work in a team its just like, they need to accept the fact that not everyone is geared to that and make disability exceptions if they need to classify it as that
03:00 < rpifan> i manage a lot more the ni thought i would
03:00 < rpifan> especially for 100 plus ppl
03:00 < rpifan> in an open office
03:00 < rpifan> today especailly
03:00 < rpifan> i just couldnt find a place to hide
03:00 < rpifan> like i felt so naked
03:00 < genr8_> its designed to do that im pretty sure
03:00 < coderphive> I don't really know what you mean that employers aren't doing
03:00 < rpifan> probably
03:01 < genr8_> just make exceptions when people cant work in a team , assign a mentor or partner to that person instead of having him interact with 20 people
03:02 < genr8_> i dont know honestly
03:02 < coderphive> Well, if part of the job requires that you work in a team, what then?
03:02 < Alternity> half the people i work with are probaly autistic
03:02 < Alternity> thats not really a negative in IT/tech
03:02 < genr8_> thats what im saying, those people would have like a liason
03:02 < Alternity> just don't an insuffrable un-selfaware asshole
03:02 < genr8_> so they could be apart of the team and NOT be a part of it at the same time
03:02 < rpifan> my work is absolutely team work
03:02 < rpifan> in fact
03:03 < rpifan> boss said i know u like to work alone but u gotta ask your team mates...
03:03 < Alternity> spergos who are not aware they are socially retarded are the worst
03:03 < coderphive> idk, I've worked with people that had asp and they held it together just fine when needed
03:03 < genr8_> WHEN NEEDED
03:03 < genr8_> its too much to ask 24/7
03:03 < genr8_> make exceptions where/as needed
03:03 < rpifan> i agree
03:03 < rpifan> i keep it toghet a lot
03:03 < rpifan> but sometimes on slack
03:03 < rpifan> its hard
03:03 < rpifan> cause it feel like irc
03:04 < rpifan> and its hard to know how to act
03:04 < genr8_> heh yae
03:04 < rpifan> cause they want to be funny but not too funny
03:04 < genr8_> straddle that line....
03:04 < coderphive> As needed sometimes meant they had to pair program with someone for 8 hours
03:04 < coderphive> just fyi
03:04 < rpifan> its supe damn hard
03:04 < coderphive> of course
03:04 < lasagna> like ur mom
03:04 < rpifan> sometimes ppl love my jokes and sometimes its jus icy
03:05 < rpifan> anyway 8 to 10 weeks left
03:06 < coderphive> tbh a lot of people on irc and reddit are probably on that spectrum
03:06 < coderphive> but yeah, a lot of coding or systems shit requires some amount of collaboration of communication
03:06 < coderphive> s/of/or
03:06 <+layer-eight> [SED coderphive] but yeah, a lot or coding or systems shit requires some amount of collaboration of communication
03:06 < coderphive> okay
03:06 < rpifan> we requiere massive communication
03:07 < rpifan> we had all them damned p0s today
03:07 < xe0n> massive b ro
03:07 < rpifan> system was just burning
03:07 < coderphive> anyway, point being, I'm not an excellent communicator by any means, very introverted, but I pull it together to give talks, go to meet ups, meetings, mentorship
03:08 < coderphive> I'm exhausted by the time I get home
03:08 < rpifan> very much agred
03:08 < genr8_> its very taxing
03:08 < coderphive> in an emotional way
03:08 < genr8_> leads me to do drugs in fact.
03:08 < coderphive> idk that I necessarily have asp, but probably on that spectrum
03:08 < genr8_> thats my own problem tho
03:08 < xe0n> soft skills...
03:08 < coderphive> I also taught myself most people skills I have
03:08 < coderphive> like, that shit is not very natural to me
03:08 < rpifan> yea gotat learn
03:09 < coderphive> it's a learned behavior
03:09 < coderphive> idk
03:09 < coderphive> idk how to describe it
03:09 < xe0n> you gain it over time
03:09 < rpifan> im exhuated
03:09 < rpifan> and bored
03:09 < genr8_> you can totally get better and it feels good to be "in practice" of those skills and feel the confidence boost
03:09 < rpifan> what should i eat
03:09 < coderphive> meh
03:09 < xe0n> dont eat pork, not even with fork, can't touch this...
03:09 < rpifan> i mean from the local restuarants here
03:09 < rpifan> in south beach
03:09 < coderphive> I've had dudes blow up on me online before for sounding "too assertive" or other shit
03:09 < genr8_> cheese and crackers
03:09 < rpifan> cheap is better
03:10 < coderphive> When in fact I meant nothing of the sort
03:10 < coderphive> It's pretty aggravating
03:10 < genr8_> cause you dont beat around the bush
03:10 < genr8_> you call ppl out
03:10 < coderphive> I think this is about the only place people don't freak the fuck out if you drop a strong opinion
03:10 < coderphive> They just recognize an opinion
03:11 < coderphive> like, wtf do I need to state, "HELLO, opinion incoming"
03:11 < genr8_> thats good anyway
03:11 < coderphive>  /rant
03:11 < coderphive> Anyway, all that to say you're not alone. Just pay attention and learn.
03:11 < genr8_> oh you mean here in this chatroom ?
03:11 < genr8_> yea the internet is way diff
03:11 <+NinjaStyle> shameless self promotion
03:11 <+NinjaStyle> https://twitter.com/NinjaStyle82/status/1002704552804487169
03:11 <+layer-eight> * NinjaStyle →  NinjaStyle on Twitter: "New Blog Post: Privesc using SCCM Software Center and Viewfinity. https://t.co/K2wAw8ubtL"
03:11 < coderphive> This channel is pretty accepting of dudes
03:12 < coderphive> Some of the slack communities I'm a part of are ultra sensitive
03:12 < rpifan> meh im going for a walk
03:12 < coderphive> "How not to offend people via our CoC 101"
03:12 < coderphive> fuck off
03:12 < genr8_> i try not to offend people but some people are going out of their way to look for being offended at something
03:13 < coderphive> NinjaStyle bro tip: never publish on Fridays
03:13 < genr8_> not sure what causes the divide between, lets say,  polite and so edgy its practically illegal
03:13 < coderphive> Same
03:13 < coderphive> I'm actually fairly liberal, which is the irony
03:13 < genr8_> some people are just wayyyyy too polite and it never got bred out of them or something...
03:14 <+NinjaStyle> coderphive: thanks for the rt
03:14 < coderphive> np bb
03:14 < coderphive> got u
03:14 < genr8_> i have to keep a mental map of Who approves of my way of talking in general
03:15 < coderphive> tbh
03:15 < genr8_> and the ones who dont, i dont interact with
03:15 < coderphive> I'd rather people be honest
03:15 < coderphive> If you think my code sucks, say so
03:15 < coderphive> Teach me, w/e
03:15 < coderphive> As long as it comes from a good place
03:15 < genr8_> i used to try to confront people to be honest until i found out thats like the cringiest thing possile
03:15 < genr8_> possible
03:15 < coderphive> haha
03:16 < genr8_> i dont think it has ever once worked either
03:16 < genr8_> they never admit it
03:16 < coderphive> Of course not
03:16 < coderphive> People love facades
03:16 < coderphive> I was once formally counseled for my facial expressions
03:17 < coderphive> I quit two weeks later
03:17 < genr8_> sheesh
03:20 < xe0n> loll
03:23 < lasagna> rekt
03:24 <+NinjaStyle> i probably picked a bad time of day to publish that article, you rite coderphive
03:24 < coderphive> I've always found that Monday and Tuesday are best
03:24 < xe0n> funday mondays
03:24 <+NinjaStyle> its also late in the day
03:34 < binaryhermit> btw, I wasn't looking for sympathy
03:39 < genr8_> then?
03:39 < Hunterkll> hey
03:39 < genr8_> we can ridicule you if you want
03:39 < Hunterkll> ya'll a buncha assholes
03:39 <+precise> SHAME
03:39 <+precise> SHAME
03:39 < Hunterkll> registerin fucking.how out from under me
03:39 < Hunterkll> which one of you cuntlickers did that
03:39 < Hunterkll> lol
03:40 < Hunterkll> admiralspark, fucker
03:40 < Hunterkll> >:3
03:40 < binaryhermit> I was just saying that I'm not exactly hireable
03:40 < binaryhermit> and that if they're willing to look at me...
03:40 < MillerBoss> Don't worry about it Hunterkll
03:41 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, ?
03:41 < MillerBoss> 08:39:48 PM  Hunterkll	which one of you cuntlickers did that
03:41 < coderphive> binaryhermit What are you talking about
03:41 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, you did?
03:41 < Hunterkll> lol
03:42 < binaryhermit> coderphive: I was saying that they're scraping the bottom of the employment barrel
03:42 < genr8_> you mean yourself
03:42 < binaryhermit> based on the fact that I appear to have gotten a second interview at wally world
03:42 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, fucker >:3
03:42 < Hunterkll> lol
03:42 < Hunterkll> it was in my cart
03:42  * binaryhermit is an amateur sysadmin at best
03:42 < MillerBoss> How do you know it was me?
03:42 < Hunterkll> i didn't realize i didn't get it until my CC got re-auth'd due to the reg failure
03:42 < genr8_> he is self deprecating himself
03:42 < binaryhermit> genr8_: yes
03:42 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, you're the one saying don't worry about it
03:42 < coderphive> binaryhermit as a sys admin?
03:42 < rhqq> evening guys
03:42 < MillerBoss> Thats the idea Hunterkll
03:42 < rhqq> anyone from california?
03:43 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, which pretty much means you did it
03:43 < Hunterkll> lol
03:43 < MillerBoss> Nah
03:43 < rhqq> meh, hoped to have a beer with a fellow r/sysadmin dude
03:43 < genr8_> whats the next best job to System-Admin if you cant be trusted to run an entire system ?
03:44 < genr8_> Junior SysAdmin ?
03:44 < genr8_> whats lower than that
03:44 < rhqq> devops ;p
03:44 < binaryhermit> I mean, I'm 32 and I've been on disability since around when I turned 18 for schizoaffective disorder
03:44 < genr8_> can't i just be a sys-assistant ?
03:44 < rhqq> i dont trust devops guys at all
03:45 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, well ya'll a bunch of jackasses
03:46 < binaryhermit> and I was semi-recently hospitalized and one of the nurses thought I might be autistic
03:46 < binaryhermit> but I'll be fine
03:47 < coderphive> rhqq lmao
03:47 < coderphive> "i don't trust devops"
03:47 < Hunterkll> I trust devops to lead to a far higher rate of failure and misery in production
03:47 < rhqq> yeah, these are developers who think they can into sysadmin shit
03:47 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, actually, it's weird. it's seemingly not available, but there's no whois reg data on it at a ll
03:48 < coderphive> rhqq citation?
03:48 < coderphive> You do know there's an SE and SWE side to DevOps, just like SRE, right?
03:48 < rhqq> experience
03:49 < rhqq> you cant expect sysadmin to be a good developer and you cant expect developer to be a good sysadmin
03:49 < Hunterkll> that's not true
03:49 < coderphive> ^
03:49 < Hunterkll> but for the most cases it is
03:49 < catbeard> esp where i work
03:49 < catbeard> ya most cases
03:49 <+NinjaStyle> Hunterkll: u see my blog post?
03:49 < lasagna> s/sysadmin/donger/g
03:50 < Hunterkll> 99% of devops guys are total fucking shit
03:50 < lasagna> fucking layer-eight
03:50 < lasagna> cunt shit bot
03:50 < rhqq> that 1% is actually insane, i admit that
03:50 < lasagna> fuck
03:50 < coderphive> rhqq nobody is asking a sysadmin to know the low level intricacies of languages, just how to use them to automate tasks
03:50 < coderphive> also to understand the SDLC and apply it to systems
03:50 < Hunterkll> most devops 'methods' give huge, broad stroke access to things that, quite frankly, developers just don't need
03:51 < coderphive> that's a broad statement
03:51 < rhqq> coderphive: relax man, im talking about the majority. i know there are good people everywhere
03:51 < genr8_> RELAX
03:51 < genr8_> stop being so assertive
03:51 < rhqq> but devops culture has produced overdesigned solutions that are sub-optimal
03:52 < Hunterkll> ^
03:52 < lasagna> !dong
03:52 < dongerdong>  ༼ ͡■ل͜ ͡■༽ OPPA DONGER STYLE ༼ ͡■ل͜ ͡■༽
03:52 < Hunterkll> that and fucking containers
03:52 < genr8_> :) jk
03:52 < rhqq> yeah, let's put k8 on everything
03:52 < Hunterkll> shiping out vulnerable as fuck libraries that i can't fucking upgrade
03:52 < lasagna> can we talk about pci compliance please
03:52 < Hunterkll> because it's in your fancy fucking container
03:52 < rhqq> yeah, raspi cluster!!!111oneone
03:52 < genr8_> we're all on PCI-e compliance now
03:52 < genr8_> upgrade
03:52 < Hunterkll> so your app gets fucking pwnt because i couldn't manage the fucking libraries
03:52 < lasagna> pfsense
03:52 < Hunterkll> (just delt with this exact issue)
03:52 < coderphive> sigh
03:52 < coderphive> some people man
03:53 < Hunterkll> the OS versions were patched
03:53 < Hunterkll> the application's versions in the container, not so much
03:53 < Hunterkll> :>
03:53 < rhqq> coderphive: the fact you worked with better side of devops doesnt mean we didn't have our share of the shittiest ones
03:53 < Hunterkll> thank god it wasn't the coldfusion compromise
03:53 < Hunterkll> that was worse
03:53 < genr8_> that is a large issue they are probably gonna realize how to solve soon
03:53 < genr8_> everythings going container
03:53 < coderphive> rhqq It's just the attitude tbh
03:53 < genr8_> and we just sem
03:53 < genr8_> nm
03:54 < Hunterkll> one major bank, two hotel chains, aircraft manufacturer, healthcare clearing house contractor, two federal agencies, etc
03:54 < rhqq> what attitude?
03:54 < Hunterkll> all have had a sharp uptick in outages when devops style practices were adopted
03:54 < Hunterkll> except for the hotels and banks, they've all affected me too >:3
03:54 < rhqq> devops practices are fine only in places that have also sysops division ensuring back-backend of all that devops shit is secured and tightened properly
03:55 < rhqq> so sysops do systems, devs do code and devops are just putting these things together
03:55 < Hunterkll> rhqq, so devops are high level managers? :P
03:55 < coderphive> That's not true at all
03:55 < rhqq> Hunterkll: in their dreams ;-)
03:56 < Hunterkll> coderphive, sorry, but i've yet to run into a devops person i would trust to run a stable 24/7 critical production system
03:56 < genr8_> every department wants to minimize the importance of the other departments :P
03:56 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll 👉 I am not buying a $30 domain. Waste of money for play websites unless it was generating revenue.
03:56 < rhqq> coderphive: i get you have einterly different experience, it's cool. and i wish i had similar, but i didnt
03:56 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, lol okay
03:56 < MillerBoss> :)
03:56 < Hunterkll> well someone did
03:56 < Hunterkll> >:3
03:56 < Hunterkll> that or namecheap was bugged the entire time
03:56 < Hunterkll> BUT
03:56 < MillerBoss> How do you know?
03:56 < Hunterkll> it's odd I can't get any whois data from it
03:56 < MillerBoss> Google is the owner of .how
03:56 < Hunterkll> yes
03:57 < Hunterkll> their shit aint givin me any results back
03:57 < coderphive> Just don't go spreading a bunch of stuff that's not true
03:57 < Hunterkll> lemme just check the .how zone file
03:57 < MillerBoss> Doo it
03:57 < coderphive> A lot of systems people already have bad attitudes about this stuff
03:58 < rhqq> coderphive: stop me from talking about my experience
03:58 < rhqq> again **personal experience**
03:58 < Hunterkll> From experience, quite frankly.
03:58 < coderphive> rhqq from not speaking factually
03:58 < coderphive> Different
03:58 < Hunterkll> I'm the one who has to clean up after these devops fiascos
03:58 < rhqq> i can talk about my experience whenever i want, and i can make assumptions based on this experience, and they can be either wrong or good, or inbetween
03:59 < coderphive> I'm not going to tango about it, I've dealt with a lot today - but I'd ask you stop and ask yourself whether you're speaking about emotionally or factually
03:59 < rhqq> idgaf, i made it clear it is my experience
03:59 < MillerBoss> You go girl, rhqq
03:59 < coderphive> k
03:59 < MillerBoss> `bofh
03:59 < Hunterkll> Cleaning up compromises/rebuilding systems, fixing outages at 3AM when devs are unavailable even though it's their responsability and hell it's not even our systems, etc
03:59 < rhqq> so it is up to your judgement to decide how to take it
03:59 <+layer-eight> BOFH Daemon escaped from pentagram
04:00 < rhqq> but my part of making it clear is done, so again, stop me :-)
04:00 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, huh. fucking.how isn't in today's zone file
04:00 < genr8_> fucking
04:00 < Hunterkll> well, yesterday's that is
04:00 < genr8_> .how
04:00 < MillerBoss> How do you find that out Hunterkll ?
04:00 < coderphive> tbh I don't care that much
04:00 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, by downloading the zone file from ICANN?
04:00 < rhqq> coderphive: cool, so we're good
04:01 < coderphive> It's just pathetic seeing people talk like that
04:01 < MillerBoss> I guess I need to get gud
04:01 < rhqq> you're spaking emotional or factual now? ;p
04:01 < coderphive> My sweet opinion
04:01 < rhqq> cool
04:01 < rhqq> i disagree, but i'll support your right to have it ;-)
04:02 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it's pathetic to see the same failings in multiple devops groups/operations ?
04:02 < Hunterkll> they could be organizational failings, but they're so common and so everywhere
04:02 < coderphive> Hunterkll I've watched sys admins who hand rolled a bunch of "perfect systems" fail over and over
04:02 < Hunterkll> it's taking, yes, reasonably competent developers, who have no real operational experience, and having them do both, while reducing staff headcount
04:02 < coderphive> Should we talk about our unique experiences as fact now?
04:03 < coderphive> and say, "Old sys-admining is dead kthx"
04:03 < rhqq> coderphive: yes, every experience is a fact, it happened.
04:03 < Hunterkll> coderphive, depends on what they define as "perfect systems" - and i'll bet those failed systems violated a shitload of vendor guidance too
04:03 < coderphive> Hunterkll that's not true
04:03 < rhqq> also it's a fact when i say that majority of my experience with devops is about fixing their shitty work
04:03 < Hunterkll> coderphive, so you're saying it didn't happen then?
04:03 < Hunterkll> at multiple F100 companies i've been involved with?
04:04 < coderphive> DevOps is literally a set of philosophies that an SE or SWE can follow
04:04 < coderphive> It has nothing to do with what some bullshit F100's do
04:04 < rhqq> so now we have two people who have not-so-good opinion on devops, we can make assumption that its more often than good devops people
04:04 < rhqq> but it's an assumption but not fact
04:04 < rhqq> you happy now?
04:04 < Hunterkll> the koolaid is strong
04:05 < Hunterkll> seriously what the fuck is this bullshit
04:05 < rhqq> to be fair i know 1 (one) guy, who's devops and whose work is pristine
04:05 < Hunterkll> whenever I open a greater than 1MB text file in vim
04:05 < Hunterkll> my entire machine swaps to a crawl
04:05 < rhqq> lawl
04:05 < Hunterkll> this is retarded
04:05 < rhqq> how come?
04:05 < rhqq> fat .vimrc ?
04:05 < Hunterkll> fucked if i know, probably a retarded memory leak
04:05 < Hunterkll> nope
04:05 < Hunterkll> i never modify the defaults
04:05 < Hunterkll> it is a gentoo system though, so anything could be wrong
04:05 < rhqq> i do little tweaks, for visuals, not for functionality
04:06 < rhqq> i dont want to get used to custom functions/aliases
04:06 < Hunterkll> coderphive, that's nice, but that's just not how a lot of organizations view it or implement it
04:06 < rhqq> yeah, reality is "lets cut the costs"
04:06 < Hunterkll> a lot of orgs see it as "oh, we can reduce operations headcount and have the devs manage the infra "
04:06 < Hunterkll> bam
04:06 < Hunterkll> bad shit happens
04:06 < Hunterkll> that's where the bad rap comes from
04:06 < rhqq> haha
04:07 < MadCamel> yup. I'm an infra guy/systems programmer so I'm biased.. But I see such idiocy. Just because someone can code doesn't mean they have the skillset or experience of a good ops person.
04:08 < Hunterkll> wait, if you do infrastructure and programming, aren't you devops? :P
04:08 < coderphive> DevOps is not a job
04:08 < rhqq> rekt
04:08 < coderphive> jesus
04:08 < MadCamel> if you need a device driver or something I guess?
04:08 < rhqq> coderphive: it is
04:08 < rhqq> its a fucking job title
04:08 < coderphive> No, it's not
04:08 < Hunterkll> "DevOps Engineer"
04:08 < coderphive> That's not fucking real
04:09 < coderphive> How do you make a job out of some philosophies?
04:09 < MadCamel> Particularly disturbing is how containers go straight from the developers to being ran in prod with no oversight. I've seen things like /bin/bash being suid in some containers. wut.
04:09 < coderphive> What those normally are is Systems Engineering or release management
04:09 < coderphive> They totally ignore the software side of devops
04:10 < Hunterkll> oh god
04:10 < Hunterkll> my job position has devops in it
04:10 < Hunterkll> lol
04:10 < rhqq> https://www.monster.com/jobs/search/?q=DevOps-Engineer&intcid=skr_navigation_nhpso_searchMain                                                                                                         DevOps Engineer Jobs                                                    (1000+ Jobs Found)
04:10 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  DevOps Engineer Jobs | Monster.com
04:10 < coderphive> Read what I said
04:10 < Hunterkll> in the posting for a similar position anyway
04:10 < coderphive> I get that companies have done that, but that how you know they know no idea what they're doing
04:10 < coderphive> DevOps is not a job
04:11 < genr8_> heh
04:11 < rhqq> "sysops is not a job"
04:11 < rhqq> "development is not a job"
04:11 < rhqq> mhm
04:11 < coderphive> You clearly know nothing about what DevOps is
04:11 < coderphive> You're just biased and showing it unabashedly
04:11 < MadCamel> I don't think anyone does. It's been buzzwordified. like SDN.
04:12 < MadCamel> or "Cloud"
04:12 < rhqq> yeah
04:12 < Hunterkll> and you're clearly willing to just keep repeating that without saying anything else other than 'it's just philosophies!'
04:12 < coderphive> that's literally all it is
04:12 < genr8_> theyre gonna be hiring for "CloudOps Engineer" soon
04:12 < Hunterkll> i mean
04:12 < coderphive> It's inspired from a fucking book
04:12 < Hunterkll> genr8_, .....
04:12 < rhqq> genr8_: they already do
04:12 < coderphive> lol
04:12 < Hunterkll> .....
04:12 < catbeard> Certified AWS Tomfoolerer
04:12 < rhqq> there's such position in akamai
04:12 < Hunterkll> coderphive, and yet, things like this exist - https://jobs.leidos.com/ShowJob/Id/1612471/DevOps-Engineer/
04:12 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Leidos | DevOps Engineer - DAYTON, OH - Leidos
04:12 < coderphive> Hunterkll I get it
04:13 < coderphive> I said it's obvious those companies have no idea what they're talking about
04:13 < catbeard> man this wine smells like ammonia
04:13 < rhqq> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DevOps#/media/File:Devops.svg
04:13 < Hunterkll> catbeard, stop pissing in wine bottles and praying
04:13 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  DevOps - Wikipedia
04:13 < catbeard> i don't feel so goo.... [scrambles]
04:13 < Church-> Sup fuckers
04:13 < rhqq> "lets dump devs, ops and qa into same bucket, stir it and lets cut costs by 2"
04:13 < catbeard> friday bitches
04:14 < Church-> rhqq: Well yeah, another operation doing it wrong.
04:14 < Church-> What else is new.
04:14 < coderphive> Christ man
04:14 < Hunterkll> coderphive, then across four industries and dealing with over 20+ companies I suppose i've never seen devops 'done right' then
04:14 < coderphive>  is a software engineering culture and practice that aims at unifying software development
04:14 < coderphive> rhqq did you even read?
04:14 < rhqq> yeah, i'm sysadmin and doing the thing anyway
04:14 < coderphive> No, you didn't
04:14 < Hunterkll> and the most common way of attempting that is giving developers operational roles
04:14 < genr8_> the word CloudOps seems to be a false word also https://puu.sh/AxuQm/217c2ec670.png
04:14 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 64,685 bytes
04:15 < Hunterkll> that they're underprepared for
04:15 < Hunterkll> :)
04:15 < rhqq> i was one who enforced automation, configuration management and CI/CD
04:15 < rhqq> yet, i did it sysadmin way with making a clear line from devs, they did their part, and nobody threw (up) that buzzword
04:16 < coderphive> Those tools have nothing to do with devops itself
04:16 < coderphive> DevOps is the practice of operations and development engineers participating together in the entire service lifecycle, from design through the development process to production support.
04:16 < coderphive> DevOps is also characterized by operations staff making use many of the same techniques as developers for their systems work.
04:17 < Church-> Hunterkll: I like to think we do it at my company.
04:17 < coderphive> https://theagileadmin.com/what-is-devops/
04:17 < MadCamel> that's what I've been doing my entire 20+ year career. This is different now.
04:17 < Church-> We get closer then most.
04:17 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  What Is DevOps? | the agile admin
04:17 < coderphive> Those are the guys who put on DOD Austin
04:17 < Church-> Heya MadCamel
04:17 < MadCamel> heya Chur
04:17 < Hunterkll> DevOps is also characterized by devs jacking with the test environment so it doesn't mirror production and being yelled at for it but ignoring it then when code is forced into production and it breaks it's somehow ops fault and suddenly they're not devops anymore, just dev :P
04:17 < MadCamel> ch*
04:17 < coderphive> in case you wanted some form of authority
04:17 < Church-> MadCamel: Writing an assembler
04:17 < MadCamel> sweet!
04:17 < Church-> Pretty fun, debating various benefits of the way to do it.
04:17 < Hunterkll> genr8_, well, we don't have cloudops engineers yet but .... http://search.lockheedmartinjobs.com/ShowJob/Id/115530/DevOps-Engineer-Sr/ CLOUD DEVOPS ENGINEER
04:18 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  DevOps-Engineer-Sr Job - Littleton, CO - Lockheed Martin
04:18 < genr8_> just combine all the words
04:18 < coderphive> Anyway
04:18 < genr8_> Cloud DevOps SysAdmingineer
04:18 < coderphive> You guys should do some reading
04:18 < coderphive> Neither of you really know what you're talking about
04:18 < coderphive> I'm out
04:18 < MadCamel> No matter how you achieve the goal it'll be an awesome thing to do.
04:18 < Hunterkll> Nah, we get turned off of stuff like that by people who are overly condescending and dismiss real world experienced dealing with those words
04:19 < Hunterkll> not really motiviating to read stuff, now is it?
04:19 < rhqq> >> agile https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/ax19rrp_700b.jpg
04:19 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 55,731 bytes
04:19 < Church-> Sigh. Anyways.
04:19 < MadCamel> I'm just finishing up some automation to scan ipv4 for open mqtt servers and subscribe to * on them. Should be sleeping though.
04:19 < Hunterkll> The worst developers i've ever had were 'devops' and 'agile' focused
04:19 < Hunterkll> fucking hell
04:19 < Hunterkll> i was pulling SCCM reports daily on his laptop to figure out which piece of unauthorized software to yell at him for that day ...
04:20 < Hunterkll> and he just blasted through the restrictions in my sudo config and rewrite the shit
04:20 < Hunterkll> jacked configs, added 3rd party repos, etc
04:20 < Hunterkll> when he damn well knew we had to follow rigid DISA standards and change management procedures, amongst other things
04:20 < Hunterkll> luckily he got fired for moonlighting on the side with his company laptop
04:21 < Hunterkll> one of the many laptops i've had to have sent to legal to deal with instead of just reimaging
04:21 < Hunterkll> not as good as the person who was *producing* porn on their work issued laptop however
04:21 < MadCamel> Generally if someone's doing that I try to help them achieve their goals properly.. Sort of part of the job y'know? But if they continue to be crazy then yeah, lart time
04:21 < Hunterkll> you work for a federal defense contractor. how is PRODUCING porn IN ANY WAY A GOOD IDEA IN YOUR MIND ON YOUR WORK LAPTOP?
04:22 < rhqq> anyways
04:22 < rhqq> gnight everyone
04:22 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, oh sure, i offered all the help, but there were strict requirements for auditing, not allowing them to have a root shell, etc
04:22 < rhqq> its 4:22 am and i need to get up by 10
04:22 < Hunterkll> having to use AD accounts intead of local accounts for centralized management, etc
04:22 < Hunterkll> all that shit was totally ignored
04:23 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, oh, and the devopsy/agile folks decided that they didn't want to use the central doc repo in sharepoint, they wanted to use fancy graph plugin for mediawiki that they installed on a development linux system that had zero backup
04:23 < Hunterkll> it had all their operational data/times/etc for the customer we were supporting at the time
04:23 < Hunterkll> oh
04:23 < Hunterkll> without any type of authentication either
04:23 < Hunterkll> :>
04:23 < MadCamel> yeah that's the kind of stuff you spitball on a local VM with fake data before taking it into the restricted environment. Sounds like dude was just lazy
04:23 < Hunterkll> no
04:23 < Hunterkll> it was their actual on call rotation, live system info, who to contact, etc
04:24 < Church-> Welp I reiterate, fucking idiots who don't know what they were doing.
04:24 < Hunterkll> they used it to circumvent process & policy
04:24 < Church-> Devops done right is nice, barely anybody does it nice. Just slaps agile on to their org and bam. Devops.
04:24  * Church- sighs
04:25 < Hunterkll> it sounds like 'done right' is equivelent to just a decent software development/deployment process
04:25 < Hunterkll> maybe one where test even matches production
04:25 < genr8_> sounds like a buncha bullshit bureaucracy to follow and i'd sooner kms
04:25 < Hunterkll> but not everyone is lucky enough to have a production environemnt :(
04:25 < Hunterkll> genr8_, ?
04:25 < Hunterkll> genr8_, "Here is your document repo. use this."
04:26 < genr8_> yeah but they wanted the media wiki thing and you didnt comply and now look what happened
04:26 < genr8_> the dept.'s are fighting each other
04:27 < Hunterkll> well
04:27 < Hunterkll> that was only a 150 person contract
04:27 < Hunterkll> there weren't really 'departments' per say
04:27 < Hunterkll> i busted one of the devs with a cracked copy of simcity 4 on his work laptop
04:27 < Hunterkll> -_-
04:27 < Hunterkll> genr8_, but no, they wanted a specific visualiztaion plugin to make pretty charts because they didn't know how to use visio
04:28 < Hunterkll> at least, that was their excuse
04:28 < Hunterkll> realalistically, it was to hide shit from program management
04:28 < Hunterkll> that, and the boss of that team was a slave driver anyway, H-1B turned citizen who drove his H-1B subordinates like slaves
04:28 < Hunterkll> great place
04:28 < genr8_> bureaucracy there was too stronk
04:28 < Hunterkll> the level of beuraucracy would have been
04:29 < genr8_> need mediators
04:29 < Hunterkll> "Hey, we want to do this "
04:29 < Hunterkll> me: "Okay, we need to do X Y first, but we can do that"
04:29 < Hunterkll> instead it went
04:29 < Hunterkll> them: ask for nothing
04:29 < Hunterkll> me: stumble upon wiki full of operational information with no authentication and a shitload of data in it
04:29 < genr8_> better ask forgiveness than permission eh ;p whatever that saying is
04:29 < Hunterkll> me: report to security team
04:29 < genr8_> well i guess thats fair
04:29 < genr8_> they sucked too hard but they could have done a passable job
04:29 < Hunterkll> oh no, they know i bend over backwards to do whatever they want to help them so long as it's compliant with our legal requirements
04:30 < genr8_> and it still woulda been illegal
04:30 < MadCamel> I got an idea for a new way of doing things.. MMcounting. Middle-Management accounting. You see, middle managers are always working on budgets anyway so we might as well just have them do the accounting for their department themselves. It synergizes well and reduces job duplication.
04:30 < genr8_> sounds good
04:30 < Hunterkll> genr8_, quite frankly any time they said anything that could be solved with linux i was head first trying to implement for them
04:31 < Hunterkll> anything to break up the monotony :D
04:31 < Hunterkll> but no
04:31 < Hunterkll> it was about control
04:31 < Hunterkll> they didn't *care* it wasn't backed up
04:31 < genr8_> is windows easier from a compliance point of view
04:31 < Hunterkll> they only cared that *they* controlled it
04:31 < Hunterkll> not really? they're both equal?
04:31 < Hunterkll> i mean, winodws does make a lot of things easier in some aspects but it depends on /what/ you're trying to comply to
04:31 < Hunterkll> lol
04:32 < genr8_> i get the impression that microsoft at least builds the OS around making it possible to reach compliance instead of on linux idk whos really in charge of that...
04:32 < Hunterkll> genr8_, they intentionally busted through the - admittingly weak - sudo config to give themseles the ability to drop into root shell at any time (not permitted) among other things and modified logging configuration, added 3rd party repos, etc
04:32 < Hunterkll> it has been a MESS
04:32 < Hunterkll> genr8_, reach WHAT compliance?
04:32 < genr8_> the common ones?
04:33 < Hunterkll> WHAT common ones
04:33 < genr8_> idk. you tell me. HIPPA, PCI ?
04:33 < Hunterkll> DoD standards? Equally easy on both. it's just configuration depending on how you deal with it
04:33 < Hunterkll> genr8_, heh. that site i'm talking about had to deal with HIPPA, FISMA Moderate, DISA STIG mandates, etc
04:33 < Hunterkll> I had 'em all :D
04:33 < Hunterkll> it depends on how you're managing the systems really
04:33 < Hunterkll> not what the systems are
04:33 < Hunterkll> I have a STIG configuration script that just runs on linux
04:34 < coderphive> genr8_ compliance generally isn't hard, it just makes other things harder
04:34 < genr8_> so the linux kernel is ready but what about the userspace
04:34 < Hunterkll> and can be validated with a remote vulnerability scanner like nessus
04:34 < Hunterkll> what?
04:34 < Hunterkll> i never said anything abuot the kernel?
04:34 < Hunterkll> ?_?
04:34 < genr8_> i would assume the kernel needs support
04:34 < Hunterkll> for...?
04:34 < genr8_> DOD secure algos ? IDK FIPS?
04:34 < coderphive> I'm lost
04:34 < Hunterkll> coderphive, same
04:35 < genr8_> you should know i have no idea what im talking about
04:35 < genr8_> and help
04:35 < coderphive> I don't think the DOD approves kernel versions
04:35 < coderphive> Generally they issue guidance based on vulns
04:35 < genr8_> thats what im asking, who approves the linux kernel to meet the DOD Spec
04:35 < Hunterkll> dod doesn't really approve versions of anything
04:35  * Hunterkll facepalms
04:35 < Hunterkll> NOBODY
04:35 < Hunterkll> BECAUSE THAT ISN'T DONE
04:35 < genr8_> so it might not even be in compliance
04:35 < Hunterkll> COMPLIANCE TO WHAT
04:36 < genr8_> if the code was never audited
04:36 < genr8_> the kernel should be specced to be able to easily pass like the 3 most common compliances
04:36 < genr8_> if they need kernel shit
04:36 < coderphive> I think you have the wrong idea about what auditing and compliance accomplish
04:36 < Hunterkll> ....?
04:36 < coderphive> and the mechanisms to accomplish them
04:36 < Hunterkll> genr8_, what 'most common compliances'
04:36 < genr8_> the ones you just said
04:36 < genr8_> like the kernel needs auditing support for all the proper shit
04:37 < coderphive> stop
04:37  * Hunterkll facepalms
04:37 < Hunterkll> you will never, ever, ever have to modify/reconfigure the kernel itself
04:37 < Hunterkll> ever
04:37 < coderphive> Let's say PCI
04:37 < Church-> Welp I'm switching channels and going back to writing
04:37 < coderphive> That's a common one
04:37 < Hunterkll> you will use the COTS kernel as it comes
04:37 < coderphive> Nothing in PCI says "read the code"
04:37 < MadCamel> which is too bad because the COTS kernel doesn't have pax...
04:37 < Hunterkll> nothing from DISA says read the code
04:37 < genr8_> one of them does
04:37 < Hunterkll> hell
04:37 < Hunterkll> nothing from the NSA says read the code
04:38 < Hunterkll> nothign in HIPPA requires code auditing
04:38 < Hunterkll> nothign in FISMA requires code auditing
04:38 < genr8_> you said you'd use this special COTS kernel tho
04:38 < genr8_> i never heard of that
04:38 < coderphive> That's just peer review iirc
04:38 < Hunterkll> ..........
04:38 < Hunterkll> COTS
04:38 < Hunterkll> COMMERCIAL OFF THE SHELF
04:38 < Hunterkll> AKA WHAT THE VENDOR GIVES YOU
04:38 < MadCamel> You essentially just go down the checklist and make sure it meets the requirements, whatever they may be. The requirements are seldom unachievable or even difficult.
04:38 < coderphive> Binaries don't get peer reviewed though
04:38 < coderphive> actually tbh
04:38 < genr8_> i looked up COTS kernel and all i got were results for: "The Design of a COTS Real-Time Distributed Security Kernel"
04:38 < genr8_> as in, customizing it
04:38 < Hunterkll> genr8_, .... COMMERCIAL OFF THE SHELF
04:38 < coderphive> the kernel would already be peer reviewed by thousands under HIPPA
04:39 < Hunterkll> genr8_, aka what you get when you go to redhat.com and click "download"
04:39 < coderphive> Doubly if you pay for RedHat or Ubuntu
04:39 < Hunterkll> (who the fuck would use ubuntu?)
04:39 < genr8_> so the community checks it
04:39 < coderphive> I feel like you just say stuff for shock value
04:40 < Hunterkll> coderphive, actually, i have severe technical disagreements with ubuntu with some of the stuff i've written
04:40 < coderphive> kek
04:40 < Hunterkll> thankfully, i don't have to deal with ubuntu so i don't have to write in the conditional fixes in my management tools/scripts and software
04:40 < coderphive> Ubuntu is decent
04:40 < coderphive> I use it for desktop
04:40 < coderphive> I run debian servers though
04:40 < Hunterkll> debian i can live with
04:41 < Hunterkll> Ubuntu has made some boneheaded, seemingly sensless changes that breaks stuff for me
04:41 < Hunterkll> I've got a home grown toolset that runs on AIX, Solaris, RHEL, SLES, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware, HP-UX, and even Arch
04:41 < coderphive> genr8_ code auditing usually has some automated code review and peer review, which is already done in any sane development shop
04:41 < Hunterkll> but breaks on ubuntu
04:41 < genr8_> these websites are talking about "Cost of certification and testing" re making your own kernel
04:41 < MadCamel> conversely I'm not even sure if redhat qualifies as linux anymore. I mean when the kernel has >300 patches that tie into modified versions of LVM, util-linux, etc etc..
04:41 < Hunterkll> genr8_, seriously, forget the code auditing/review crap
04:41 < Hunterkll> genr8_, you're going to use the vendor supplied kernel, and that's that.
04:41 < Hunterkll> otherwise, you get no support
04:41 < coderphive> ^
04:42 < genr8_> k
04:42 < Hunterkll> the COTS kernel is all you'll ever use in business
04:42 < Hunterkll> period
04:42 < coderphive> Code review does not apply to every vendor
04:42 < coderphive> It applies to _your_ code
04:43 < Hunterkll> genr8_, here, the DISA STIG standard for RHEL 6 - https://www.stigviewer.com/stig/red_hat_enterprise_linux_6/
04:43 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Security Technical Implementation Guide
04:43 < Hunterkll> look at some of the settings/findings in there
04:43 < Hunterkll> that's the baseline minimum for DoD systems configuration (and a lot of other agencies/branches too)
04:43 < Hunterkll> here's the information on building the windows 10 "secure host baseline" image from the NSA - https://github.com/nsacyber/Windows-Secure-Host-Baseline
04:43 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  GitHub → nsacyber → Windows-Secure-Host-Baseline → Configuration guidance for implementing the Windows 10 and Windows Server 2016 DoD Secure Host Baseline settings. #nsacyber → @ ~ a day ago → HTML → ✡ 760 → Forks: 139 → ☹ 10
04:43 < coderphive> a majority of PCI had to do with separating the environment, search logs for PII
04:44 < genr8_> theres a lot of stuff on here I know nothing about, thanks
04:44 < coderphive> and HTTPS
04:44 < coderphive> That's all I remember
04:44 < Hunterkll> genr8_, you don't know what an sshd is? :P
04:44 < genr8_> wat
04:44 < genr8_> yes
04:44 < MadCamel> You can make like $40k+/gig doing pci compliance audits btw :P
04:44 < Hunterkll> genr8_, The system must not permit root logins using remote access programs such as ssh.	
04:44 < coderphive> We automated it
04:45 < Hunterkll> that's the kind of shit we're talking about
04:45 < coderphive> Simple shit when you don't store logs
04:45 < Hunterkll> coderphive, McD's solved it by just vlaning off the card readers
04:45 < Hunterkll> lol
04:45 < coderphive> yeap
04:45 < coderphive> Drop PCI microservices into a isolated account
04:45 < coderphive> done
04:45 < Hunterkll> register pings the head end cashless appliance, (running XP embedded at the time.... like 4-5 years ago) which then pings the card reader
04:45 < genr8_> Hunterkll: i mean the entire website
04:45 < Hunterkll> done
04:45 < coderphive> Scan log server for PII
04:45 < coderphive> done
04:45 < Hunterkll> genr8_, oh, stigviewer?
04:45 < genr8_> yes
04:45 < Hunterkll> or github\
04:45 < Hunterkll> :p
04:45 < Hunterkll> stigviewer isn't always up to date
04:46 < Hunterkll> https://iase.disa.mil/stigs/Pages/index.aspx
04:46 < genr8_> have you read all the DOD8500 ones ?
04:46 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  STIGs Home
04:46 < Hunterkll> is where you really want to start
04:46 < genr8_> ayy i think i blocked that IP range :)
04:46 < Hunterkll> why the hell would I
04:46 < genr8_> i have no idea, your job ?
04:47 < genr8_> it seems excessive
04:47 < Hunterkll> pffff
04:47 < genr8_> one man can not possibly remember all that
04:47 < Hunterkll> probably because it doesn't all apply to every scenario
04:47 < Hunterkll> but no, i'm not primarily security team
04:47 < coderphive> Most compliance comes out in the form of checklists
04:47 < MadCamel> no shame in pulling out the docs. what you get paid for is knowing which docs to pull out and how they're supposed to be interpreted.
04:48 < Hunterkll> though i did single handedly stop twice weekly ransomware attacks for a fortune 500 company once....
04:48 < Hunterkll> i deployed antivirus
04:48 < Hunterkll> :p
04:48 < Hunterkll> without the 3+ month lead time the other team wanted
04:48 < Hunterkll> to deploy SEP
04:48 < Hunterkll> i was like
04:49 < Hunterkll> "nah we can literally deploy tomorrow and we're already licensed for SCEP, we don't need to blow $300k on new licenses and have a 3 month implementaiton timeline"
04:49 < Hunterkll> heldpesk/field tech manager straight up said "i don't believe you"
04:49 < Hunterkll> so me and a-ko went to a bar
04:49 < Hunterkll> i banged out the deployment package
04:49 < Hunterkll> and sent it to 'em
04:49 < Hunterkll> that night
04:49 < Hunterkll> :)
04:50 < MillerBoss> Are you talking to yourself again Hunterkll ?
04:50 < MillerBoss> `echo Hi Hunterkll. Talk to me.
04:50 <+layer-eight> Hunterkll. Talk to me.
04:50 < Hunterkll> .... no?
04:50 < MadCamel> you forgot the scotty principle
04:51 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, i wasn't about to have symantec on my machine
04:51 < Hunterkll> >:3
04:51 < MadCamel> ahh, the antivirus that behaves so much like a virus you might as well just say fuggit.
04:52 < Hunterkll> i had to act fast
04:52 < Hunterkll> and viciously
04:52 < genr8_> i watched a good defcon talk about antivirus'es sucking
04:54 < genr8_> i cant find the vid....
04:56 < MadCamel> they're not very effective. best bet is to close as many paths for arbitrary code execution as possible first. don't allow unknown executables to run, keep the apps you do have patched, utilize protection features like DEP and ASR(rip EMET) or pax(rip grsecurity). Then throw antivirus on top of that and it's sorta kinda solid. sorta.
04:56 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, why RIP emet? Win10's surpassed EMET by far
04:57 < MadCamel> yeah it has. I haven't dug into it too far but it's actually doing a way better job than linux.
04:57 < Hunterkll> wat
04:58 < MadCamel> linux's exploit mitigation techniques are laughable in comparison
04:58 < Hunterkll> cryptic1, MadCamel's been in your stash again
04:58 <@cryptic1> again?
04:59 < MillerBoss> Uh oh. This is gonna be bad
04:59  * MillerBoss waits for the reaction. 
05:00 < Hunterkll> COCAAAIANE
05:01 <@cryptic1> better add him to the site
05:01 < MadCamel> kaslr is easily broken, we only got page table isolation (for the second time..) when meltdown/spectre became a thing. kaiser should've been merged first go. or solardesigners patches way back in kernel 2.4. The kernel's record on security mitigation is just shitty. Linux chases anyone with good ideas away.
05:01 < MadCamel> Linus* chases
05:02 < MadCamel> His view is that security problems are bugs. Bugs should be fixed, not mitigated
05:02 <@cryptic1> they are
05:03 < xe0n> bugs in rugs
05:03 < MadCamel> It's a perfectly logical view to have. But it also means that linux isn't going to have much in the way of exploit mitigation. Windows is kicking it's ass on that front.
05:04 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, kernel page table isolation shouldn't be required at all
05:04 < Hunterkll> also, just like on windows, it's not active on AMD platforms
05:04 < Hunterkll> it's brand fucking new on windows too, as a reaction to meltdown/spectre
05:05 < Hunterkll> and it sucks, and hopefully won't be required on future silicon released
05:05 < Hunterkll> releases
05:05 < Hunterkll> because i'ts a goddamn performance crimp
05:05 < Hunterkll> that won't be needed once the underlying issue is fixed
05:05 < Hunterkll> KPTI is a bandaid
05:05 < Hunterkll> not a feature we should want to have
05:05 < MadCamel> pti for linux had been around a couple years. it greatly improves the effectiveness of kaslr and helps with other types of information leaks as well. But it was only mainlined when it *had* to be, not when it *should* have been, you know?
05:06 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, you mean it made it into linux before it did windows?
05:06 < Hunterkll> and it was a reaction taht fixed one specific problem and that's it
05:06 < MadCamel> not the vendor kernels. which as you said is what everyone uses.
05:06 < Hunterkll> newer silicon releases will allow us to disable this
05:06 < Hunterkll> ?!?
05:06 < Hunterkll> RHEL was pushing out the patch ASAP on disclosure
05:06 < Hunterkll> lol
05:06 < MadCamel> kpti was part of the kaiser patchset, developed in 2016
05:07 < MadCamel> it didn't get merged until meltdown/spectre
05:07 < Hunterkll> because it was not needed
05:07 < Hunterkll> and causes measurable performance issues
05:07 < MadCamel> it mitigates other types of exploitation as well. without kpti kaslr is useless.
05:07 < Hunterkll> that's not true at all
05:08 < Hunterkll> that's like saying every single exploit mitigation technique in win10 was useless until it got the same feature
05:08 < Hunterkll> yet they've been proven to work
05:09 < MadCamel> The whole idea of kaslr is to hide the memory addresses of kernel internals. Without kpti that is trivially bypassed.
05:09 < Hunterkll_> <Hunterkll> Quite honestly on most systems I have page table isolation forcefully disabled anyway
05:09 < Hunterkll_> <Hunterkll> windows and linux
05:09 < MadCamel> go read the kaiser paper
05:09 < Hunterkll_> * Disconnected (No such device or address)
05:09 < Hunterkll_> MadCamel, you're saying that windows's protections were equally ineffective, then
05:09 < Hunterkll_> the context switch performance hit *is not worth it*
05:10 < MadCamel> I'm not as intimate with the internals of windows as I haven't written any security patches for it
05:10 < Hunterkll_> upwards of 20x time increases on kernel calls
05:10 < Hunterkll_> MadCamel, NT kernel has ASLR internally too, and didn't have page table isolation at all until now
05:10 < Hunterkll_> and, just like on linux, the page table isolation is only in play on intel systems
05:10 < Hunterkll_> not on AMD
05:11 < Hunterkll_> I think anyway, it'd be retarded to have it running on AMD systems taht aren't vulnerable
05:11 < Hunterkll_> I know it's intel-only on linux
05:11 < MadCamel> wow you really like to debate. can't stand the thought that someone who specializes in a certain field might know more than you. I'm going to bed, I'd rather be sleeping than speaking with someone who couldn't concieve of the fact that they might not be all-knowledgable or heaven-forbit incorrect at times
05:11 < Hunterkll_> MadCamel, no?
05:12 < Hunterkll_> MadCamel, my main point is that you're trying to say linux is far behind windows
05:12 < Hunterkll_> when i'm trying to point out it's almost exactly the same
05:12 < Hunterkll_> HCI and credential guard would be the two i'd say are ahead, but they're only needed due to inherent design flaws in how windows handles code and authentication
05:12 < MadCamel> nope, windows has many protections that were simply not implemented in linux mainline. PaX and the grsec patchsets have them. But not mainline.
05:13 < Hunterkll_> such as?
05:13 < Hunterkll_> i'm all for extolling how far windows has come
05:13 < Hunterkll> but i wouldn't stake a claim like that on it
05:14 < Hunterkll> i might say solaris or VMS is better off than linux
05:14 <@killdash9> Solaris is dead. Long live SunOS
05:15 < Hunterkll> MadCamel, but to say that ASLR in the kernel is useless without page table isolation means that it was also useless on windows, which means a lot more of the advanced protections, potentially all the way down to the new code integrity stuff, are worthless on 40% of the systems out there
05:15 < Hunterkll> on the contrary the page table isolation actually opened up a slew of new attack avenues on windows
05:15 < Hunterkll> xD
05:18 < coderphive> killdash9 illumos is still alive
05:23 <+giant_it_burrit> killdash9: come play boats
05:23 < Hunterkll> boats?
05:24 < MillerBoss> Fucking cat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-derT2inbR4
05:24 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Cat Viciously Attacks Sleeping Dog → ⚘ 1,204,846 ↑ 7,567 ↓ 552 ✍ 1,923
05:30 <@killdash9> Boats. World of Warships.
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05:34 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Internet at Roadrunner
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05:38 < L3gacy-FREE> good bacon to all!
05:38 < L3gacy-FREE> I had a nap :)
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05:39 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Internet at Roadrunner
05:43 < MillerBoss> NSI = Network Solutions Inc >NSI is under contract to the National Science Foundation to perform a public service.
05:43 < MillerBoss> Only if that was the same today
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05:43 < MillerBoss> >Under the new policy the staff members at NSI are wielders of power rather than public servants.
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05:46 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  The Internet's Root-level servers
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06:10 < rpifan> https://games.avclub.com/what-was-it-like-to-be-a-nintendo-game-play-counselor-1798286981
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06:11 < Hunterkll> OH FUCK
06:11 < Hunterkll> ravioli, NO MORE MANUALLY DOWNLOADING RSAT
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: WHAT?
06:11 < Hunterkll> 1809 will have it as an on-demand feature
06:11 < xe0n> lol yeah i saw that in the new build, cool cool
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> built into server now/
06:11 <@JollyRgrs> nice!
06:11 < xe0n> oh well heard about it
06:11 < xe0n> so yeah cool
06:12 < Hunterkll> RSAT is now available on demand!
06:12 < Hunterkll> What does that mean? You no longer have to manually download RSAT every time you upgrade! Just go to “Manage optional features” in Settings (the fastest way there is to search for that) and click “Add a feature” – you’ll now see all of the RSAT components listed. Pick the ones you want, and the next time you upgrade Windows will automatically ensure all those components persist the upgrade (ju
06:12 < Hunterkll> st like any of our other on-demand features, like speech resources or OpenSSH). Thanks to everyone who logged feedback asking for this! We’d love for you to try this out on today’s build and let us know what you think.
06:12 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, https://blogs.windows.com/uploads/mswbprod/sites/2/2018/05/6b2d8b4333cf18aa3a923765ee53881e.png
06:12 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 124,479 bytes
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> too bad our idiots doing SCCM won't know how to set up features to DL
06:12 <@JollyRgrs> one could hope
06:12 < xe0n> loll
06:12 < jesse> i bet M$ will f it up and omit DNS from RSAT
06:12 < xe0n> i'll just add a new ts step
06:13 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, this might be like the other stuff
06:13 < Hunterkll> like hyper-v and WSL
06:13 < Hunterkll> where it's spun into the thing
06:13 < Hunterkll> cuz rsat was version married to the OS
06:13 < xe0n> step in the right direction
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> hmm
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> maybe so
06:13 <@JollyRgrs> i hope so
06:14 < Hunterkll> yea
06:14 < Hunterkll> the other features in that list are like that
06:14 < Hunterkll> i had no idea this 'manage optional features' ui even existed in settings
06:14 < Hunterkll> i had still been using the old features ui
06:14 < coderphive> They just opened a scientology church in Austin
06:14 < coderphive> wtf
06:16 < xe0n> praise tom cruise
06:16 < Casteil> tom cruise might be batshit insane
06:17 < Casteil> but I can't help but respect him a bit for his dedication
06:17 < Casteil> he got licensed to fly a helicopter and did his own helicopter stunts for the latest mission impossible movie
06:17 < xe0n> superman is the bad guy in the new one
06:17 < xe0n> loll
06:18 < xe0n> the next movie i'll go see is the happytime murders or whatever its called, looks like something to get super baked and watch
06:18 < MillerBoss> internic.net
06:18 < MillerBoss> Still alive
06:21 < misspwn_> oh what a night
06:21 < xe0n> late december back in '63
06:21 < MillerBoss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyiT_DGREA
06:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → The Four Seasons - December, 1963 (Oh, What a Night) → ⚘ 7,595,706 ↑ 25,800 ↓ 839 ✍ 2,787
06:21 < misspwn_> :D
06:22 < misspwn_> i went drinking with the guyz at work and it was a lot of fun
06:22 < xe0n> i always hear that song at weddings
06:23 < rpifan> did yall know meth costs 110 dollars a gram
06:24 < rpifan> quite expenisve
06:24 < MillerBoss> And will cost more when you land in jail
06:24 < rpifan> lol
06:24 < xe0n> i pay $10 a gram for weed lol
06:24 < genr8_> cost a lot more on fixing your life after
06:24 < rpifan> i was bored decided to ask the local meth dealer
06:24 < rpifan> apparently
06:24 < rpifan> powder is made in trailer
06:25 < xe0n> was his name billy crystal-meth?
06:25 < rpifan> but his stuff, a rock, is much better
06:25 < rpifan> in fact i get a discount cause i was getting bad meth before....
06:25 < xe0n> breaking rpifan
06:25 < genr8_> its all bad meth, stick to MDMA
06:26 < rpifan> i know
06:26 < rpifan> i was just bored
06:26 < rpifan> i had never in al lthese years really found out how much it costs
06:26 < rpifan> and in gay lanta everyone is on meth
06:26 < rpifan> massive ammounts
06:26 < genr8_> cause gays
06:27 < genr8_> no offense thats a known stereotype
06:27 < rpifan> its true
06:27 <@JollyRgrs> lets not talk shop about dugs in here, m'key
06:28 <@JollyRgrs> Rx or not, we like to keep this a drug free zone :P
06:28 < rpifan> why not
06:28 < rpifan> lol
06:28 < rpifan> drug free zone
06:28 < rpifan> 1000 dollar fine
06:28 < genr8_> meth makes you unhinged
06:28 < MillerBoss> https://media.giphy.com/media/9ygneS2c7t59S/giphy.gif
06:28 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  IMAGE/GIF Document, 900,320 bytes
06:29 < rpifan> also our delear is straight
06:29 < rpifan> yes he sells on grindr but he is straight
06:29 < rpifan> sigh
06:31 < genr8_> its fucked that you can do meth and pass a drug test in 3 days meanwhile I can't smoke a joint without comin up dirty for a month
06:33 < rpifan> is that true
06:36 < misspwn_> genr8_, ima need a hair sample to test you 10 years back
06:37 <@killdash9> sorry, shaved myself bald for my swim meet last weekend.
06:38 < rpifan> lol
06:39 <@killdash9> yes, all over. It's faster
06:39 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9:
06:39 <@JollyRgrs> RL
06:39 <@JollyRgrs> c'mon!
06:40 <@cryptic1> don't do it killdash9
06:40 <@cryptic1> its a trap
06:42 < rpifan> traps are sexy
06:43 < rpifan> have mny of yall have visited grindr
06:43 < rpifan> its a sad world in there
06:44 < genr8_> i do have like 5-7 year old hair, god knows what they'd find
06:45 < rpifan> a lot of fun
06:45 < rpifan> misspwn_, how r u
06:45 < misspwn_> chilllin dawggggg
06:46 < rpifan> thought about u at work
06:46 < rpifan> as i sat there on my chair wiht my stnading desk
06:46 < rpifan> rocking back and forth bored
06:46 < rpifan> i thought whats misspwn_ doing now
06:48 < misspwn_> aw
06:48 < misspwn_> gettin drunk with my coworkers
06:48 < rpifan> lol
06:48 < rpifan> do u have a beer keg in ur office too
06:48 < misspwn_> or i should say, drinking because i still had to drive home
06:48 <+AnonymooseReddtr> heh
06:49 < misspwn_> had a few beers from like 5-10pm because i can't be getting hammered. normally on fridays the work fridge has beer and we might have a couple
06:49 < misspwn_> group of us went out though to a couple bars
06:49 < rpifan> we have a beer keg
06:50 < rpifan> and beer in the fridge
06:50 < rpifan> no one touches that
06:50 < misspwn_> we tried to get one of the newer guys to come but he said he didn't drink which is totally fine we were just trying to invite him out
06:50 < rpifan> why havnet u invited me out yet
06:50 < misspwn_> because i can't convert you
06:50 < misspwn_> jkjk
06:51 < rpifan> convert to what utf-8?
06:51 < misspwn_> hahahah
06:51 < misspwn_> cause you're all up on the grinder
06:51 < misspwn_> i made a poor joke
06:52 < rpifan> i am bi, no need to convert
07:01 < AustinS> D: cannttt get motivation to finish this dumb project. started day super late so i could work into early hour but nope
07:02 < rpifan> is it object orietanted
07:02 < MillerBoss> What is the project AustinS?
07:04 < AustinS> well really a couple of them lol, but internal apps for managing a lot of video stuff
07:04 < MillerBoss> Ahh take a break.
07:05 < rpifan> i see
07:05 < AustinS> yeah no life or death situation, and it's mostly done but just need to do some last things and testing.. it's a complete rewrite of the stuff on the back to do transcoding and all the processes tied to it
07:05 < AustinS> so i mostly just want to clean it up, and test it a LOT.. causeee I don't want that to break :p
07:06 < AustinS> + like 1000 backlog items on other random projects im sure.
07:07 < AustinS> like need to roll out new DNS stuff i built out months ago.. just never can find the right time, and its not needed.. but would eventually make life easier/more automatble
07:07 < AustinS> so i try
07:08 < rpifan> did u hear the joke i got from my place of work today
07:08 < rpifan> i asked what our backup and disaster recovery strategy was
07:08 < rpifan> guy says we dont need one its all on aws
07:08 < AustinS> ogod.
07:08 < rpifan> because
07:08 < rpifan> we have stuff in multiple availability zones
07:09 < AustinS> we had a unnamed (but well known) AWS professional services vendor do the most awful setups/had other colossal mistakes
07:10 < AustinS> i was like ... y do you pay them $$$.. and assume they know what they're doing. and also no reserved instances >:| >:|
07:10 < AustinS> they did all single zone single AZ for one thing lol.
07:10 < rpifan> yes it ihappens
07:10 < rpifan> this is our senior dev guy too
07:10 < rpifan> idk
07:11 < rpifan> this company how it stays afloat
07:11 < AustinS> another thing was IT wanted to have their dumb network security appliance "protect" their web app
07:11 < AustinS> so they routed the traffic either into our public IP, thru the appliance, and then out VPN to AWS.. or public->AWS->on prem->AWS->out
07:11 < AustinS> i cant remember but either way I just cringed..
07:12 < rpifan> meh
07:12 < AustinS> same guy in that group that always claims everything is for security reasons
07:13 < AustinS> gave one of my web devs the private key to connect to an ec2 server (as ec2-user) on their prod account
07:13 < AustinS> keep in mind its the same key .. for every instance on their account
07:13 < AustinS> killllllls me.\
07:13 < rpifan> did u know
07:13 < rpifan> we now have last pass
07:14 < misspwn_> i use last pass at work
07:14 < AustinS> and this is why all of our public facing stuff has been and is operated by diff group/IT is internal corporate stuff mostly
07:14 < AustinS> i was like is that a bad thing? or hows it used lol
07:14 < genr8_> i'd use a local password vault that wasnt on the web
07:15 < genr8_> you can make multiple vaults and multiple seperation of concern that way too
07:15 < AustinS> i use lastpass for some stuff for convenience, KeePassXC offline for very critical/sensitive things
07:15 < genr8_> ^, this
07:19 < rpifan> well remember we dont need security we got aws
07:20 < AustinS> tru
07:21 < AustinS> we use security groups for extra security. put 0.0.0.0/0 in there u know to block everything!
07:21 < rpifan> lol
07:21 < rpifan> whats does lift and shift men
07:21 < rpifan> mean
07:23 < AustinS> ofc you're talking about lifting and shifting men
07:25 < rpifan> kik
07:26 < rpifan> do u even shift bro
07:28 < Atro> There are no automatic cars here
07:28 < rpifan> i saw a ford automatic car
07:29 < rpifan> drivign around miami today
07:29 < rpifan> i screamted at it
07:29 < rpifan> told it to fuck off and flipped it the finger
07:29 < Atro> My only issue nowadays are cars with manual hand break vs automatic
07:30 < Atro> Got into an old car and forgot to disengage the manual hand break lol
07:30 < rpifan>  lol
07:36 < genr8_> Lift and shift is a strategy for moving an application or operation from one environment to another – without redesigning the app. In the lift-and-shift approach, certain workloads and tasks can be moved from on-premises storage to the cloud, or data operations might be transferred from one data center to another.
07:36 < genr8_> A lift and shift move is generally the physical relocation of hardware from one datacentre to another.
07:37 < genr8_> https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2018/03/23/the-best-cloud-migration-path-lift-and-shift-replatform-or-refactor/#104faf994f51
07:37 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  ⚓  URL Redirected → Forbes Welcome
07:37 < rpifan> i see\
08:41 < MikeSpears> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/NUIeHZYB/34284498_2035405346486935_1367267216222846976_n.jpg
08:41 < MikeSpears> lol
08:41 <+layer-eight> * MikeSpears →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 94,690 bytes
17:09 < SleePy> Spammer filled out a form on a site of mine and included a unsub link in their message...
17:45 < Sousapro> Lmao
17:45 < Sousapro> People will fall for that sometimes though
17:50 < Sousapro> genr8_: lift and shift is not actually viable in most instances though
17:52 < Sousapro> genr8_: you look at the monthly cost difference between doing it correctly vs dumping those pet VMs into the cloud and you're almost always better continuing to self host and just grabbing a couple of racks in geographically diverse locations instead
17:53 < Sousapro> Or actually refactor the code so it can run on something other than GrandmaVM0001
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> any legit free alternatives to getdataback NTFS?
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> (or if not... PM me with a source, lol)
19:22 < m4221> Hey
19:22 < Tzunamii> Greetings
19:30 < L3gacy-FREE> Oh hai
19:35 < rhqq> hi
19:52 < onicrom> any websphere mq people around?
19:55 < DLSteve> eewww
19:56 < L3gacy-FREE> I need to taco
19:57 < rhqq> L3gacy-FREE: is this your pic ? https://pm1.narvii.com/5921/5a5223a42c64349f77df1c272676733dff234b81_hq.jpg
19:57 < rhqq> :P
19:57 <+layer-eight> * rhqq →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 42,202 bytes
20:01 < L3gacy-FREE> rhqq: MIGHT be...
20:01 < L3gacy-FREE> hehehehe
20:02 < L3gacy-FREE> I need two gigabit capable routers with 25dbi YAGIs
20:02 < rhqq> what or
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> i think i jsut need to throw out my linksys WMB54G
20:27  * JollyRgrs sniffs
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> it was a great product that died with win vista/7 and 64-bit
20:28 < MillerBoss> What are you waiting for?
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBoss: feels to go away
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> lol
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> mid 2000s i was streaming music, wirelessly, to my home theater w/ optical/digitalcoax options
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> it was awesome
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> now... it's like "and? so? who cares?"
20:29 < MillerBoss> lol aww
20:36 < MillerBoss> I see dead people
20:37 < L3gacy-FREE> rhqq: for point to point wifi at a client
20:38 < AustinS> ok not doing that again. I took my spare work badge and it fits inside my giant iphone 8+ case, so now my phone works for doors/building entry...
20:38 < AustinS> went to parking lot and then realized i left it upstairs D: lol
20:39 < AustinS> security guy just HAPPENED to be coming into the parking lot/going inside lmao, I lucked out
20:40 < L3gacy-FREE> so... how much range could I get using a dish networks dish for wifi with a 25dbi YAGI at the focal point?
20:45 < AustinS> and lol @ linksys *54G's .. found a couple WRT54G's in the closets other day. also found some 100 Mbps hubs + switches.. someone literally tried telling me "dont throw them out!" (maybe thinking they were useful at all)
20:45 < AustinS> "we may need it!" -- as they've sat there for years. finally just grabbed giant trash carts and loaded them full of equipment byyee
20:46 < DLSteve> AustinS, I have to drive all the way to the security office on the main campus to pick up the badge of shame if I forget mine :(
20:46 < AustinS> we're only supposed to have 1 as well, I went to get a new one printed cause mine was super old and faded / wanted it relaminated to hook onto lanyard for other badges
20:46 < AustinS> and the ID broke their machine lol, so the colors were all distorted / very evil looking, and I kept it as a souvenir, they reactivated old one
20:46 < AustinS> both still work. :) :)
20:47 < AustinS> although our facilities/security people are like.. down the hallway from me, but nobody is here now. at least the security guard just let me in and went up w/ me to open doors on the way
20:48 < DLSteve> We have not moved to the integrated smart card ones yet or we would be even more screwed lol.
20:48 < AustinS> this building is mad locked down.. between coming in and getting to my desk i need to scan like.. 3-5 times O_O
20:48 < AustinS> hmm which integrated smart card ones?  yeah we're just on HID ones, doubt that will change..
20:51 < DLSteve> AustinS, HID makes smart card versions https://www.hidglobal.com/product-display/cards-and-credentials/crescendo
20:51 <+layer-eight> * DLSteve →  Crescendo Smart Cards - Strong Authentication
20:52 < DLSteve> AustinS, It's what Microsoft uses internally.
20:52 < Hunterkll> heh
20:52 < Hunterkll> to get a new badge i have to go to washington DC
20:52 < Hunterkll> >_>
20:52 < rhqq> hi Hunterkll
20:53 < DLSteve> DoD?
20:53 < Hunterkll> yea
20:53 < Hunterkll> microsoft uses smart cards
20:53 < rhqq> how long did you talk to this dude yesterday?
20:53 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, contractor, but our office is near the NRO
20:53 < Hunterkll> :)
20:53 < Hunterkll> that or have it mailed to me
20:53 < Hunterkll> either way
20:53 < AustinS> gotcha, yeah seen those, we'd never use them I'm sure, or it's so far away
20:53 < Hunterkll> i still have to go to an office, have a corporate security person / facilities validate
20:53 < Hunterkll> both documents, employment status, and a bunch of other shit
20:53 < AustinS>  / I don't have any IT OS/software/anything on my machines here.. I refuse lol
20:54 < Hunterkll> that'd get you fired 'roud these parts
20:54 < AustinS> got the rare exemption/look the other way
20:54 < Hunterkll> and probably prosecuted
20:54 < Hunterkll> viciously
20:54 < Hunterkll> i installed my own OS instead of using our standard image, but i layered all the shit on top i needed to to be compliant
20:54 < Hunterkll> lol
20:55 < DLSteve> My department has all custom images lol.
20:55 < AustinS> yeah it's pretty against policy here, but I've proven a few times my system is more secure than theirs. but no super sensitive stuff goes on here that I'd get super in trouble for
20:55 < AustinS> they're aware I'm not on their stuff.. I play nicely :p
20:56 < Hunterkll> "more secure"
20:56 < Hunterkll> right
20:56 < DLSteve> The support staff can't even see them as they are joined to a different domain that they have no access to.
20:56 < Hunterkll> lol
20:56 < Hunterkll> i have like 26 AD domains to chose from
20:56 < Hunterkll> it's great!
20:56 < DLSteve> We have like 12.
20:56 < AustinS> i cant tell you number of times auditors have come in and grabbed their NTML hashes and shit off machines from random scans and someone was logged in with some overly-privileged account
20:56 < Hunterkll> AustinS, then your group policy is configured wrong if that's possible.
20:57 < AustinS> well not that many, but at least one major wtf each audit :p
20:57 < Hunterkll> that's fixable technology wise
20:57 < AustinS> exactly, I'm sure everything is configured wrong :)
20:57 < AustinS> lol
20:57 < DLSteve> AustinS, thats why ours are special built. We have specific PAWs that we login as domain admin from.
20:57 < Hunterkll> that's AD group policy though
20:57 < AustinS> but not my department to worry about ha
20:57 < Hunterkll> it'll overwrite local machine config
20:57 < AustinS> I mean they've all been remedied now, but i still stay on my own little network instead
20:58 < Hunterkll> rouge machines are fun
20:58 < Hunterkll> if i can't see it, i can't defend it
20:58 < Hunterkll> =]
20:58 < AustinS> it's just poor management, vendors don't update shit, IT thinks vendors are on top of it because "experts", stuff like that
20:58 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, none of our linux servers are domain joined lol.
20:58 < Hunterkll> all of ours are
20:59 < Hunterkll> and we only allow the usage of AD accoutns
20:59 < Hunterkll> no local accounts at all
20:59 < DLSteve> They authenticate with AD.
20:59 < AustinS> ifco
20:59 < Hunterkll> well, then they're using NTLM
20:59 < Hunterkll> which is bad
20:59 < Hunterkll> if they don't have a machine account and proper kerberosing
20:59 < DLSteve> we allow for local service accounts.
20:59 < gnupluslinux> how do you deal with privileges with AD on linux
21:00 < DLSteve> they use kerberos.
21:00 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, sudo config, duh
21:00 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, then they're domain joined
21:00 < Hunterkll> :)
21:00 < Hunterkll> realm join ad.ad
21:00 < Hunterkll> is ez
21:00 < Hunterkll> or samba or winbind
21:00 < gnupluslinux> make a domain_admin/ent_admin groups
21:00 < Hunterkll> whatever
21:00 < DLSteve> maybe, although there is no entry for them in AD.
21:00 < Hunterkll> oh
21:00 < Hunterkll> then you're doing it wrong
21:00 < Hunterkll> :P
21:00 < Hunterkll> security group management must be fun
21:00 < Hunterkll> gnupluslinux, it can see AD groups, so you just use security groups and configure the groups in the sudo config
21:00 < DLSteve> That I know but the Linux team does not want them domain joined.
21:01 < AustinS> i almost joined some of ours just as a test but they didn't want to give me an administrator account to join it, and they couldn't get on to do it when I tried explaining
21:01 < Hunterkll> that's the basic start
21:01 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, why?
21:01 < Hunterkll> do they even know what the difference is?
21:01 < AustinS> but now not relevant cause no on prem servers so *shrug*
21:01 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, no idea
21:01 < Hunterkll> the difference is nothing really
21:01 < Hunterkll> 'cept some SSSD integration bits
21:01 < Hunterkll> or pam bits
21:01 < Hunterkll> that's about it
21:01 < hello_kitty> I have to transfer 5-15 TB of images per month for a web game. I've been looking at CDNs but the prices fall between $300 and $2200 for this amount of traffic. I also have small swarm of linodes (~50 $5 instances) which willl run the actual game instances (it is multiplayer). B/c linode has a bandwidth pool and the game instances don't nearly consume their quota.. it seems like i can make a nearly-free file server with
21:01 < hello_kitty> Anyone have exp w/ this?
21:01 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, they use sssd and PAM.
21:01 < Hunterkll> -_-
21:02 < Hunterkll> everything uses pam if it logs into linux
21:02 < Hunterkll> i was talking about the modules
21:02 < Hunterkll> but anyway
21:02 < AustinS> hmm nope i just pay for my bandwidth :P
21:02 < Hunterkll> if there's no machine object
21:02 < Hunterkll> then it's weird
21:02 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, yes I understand that
21:02 < gnupluslinux> Hunterkll, i just remember having an annoying af time dealing with ad groups in linux, went back to just using salt to manage user linux users
21:02 < DLSteve> They could just be joined to a different domain. I have not gone looking tbh.
21:03 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, Most of the stuff that you would us AD for we manage through Puppet.
21:03 < zerocool> freeipa or openldap
21:04 < AustinS> Arch had a pretty decent guide for joining a domain (same would apply to most OS), remember stumbling upon it and it was pretty detailed
21:04 < DLSteve> we have enough LDAP directories.
21:04 < DLSteve> If anything we would just join them to existing AD.
21:04 < AustinS> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Active_Directory_Integration
21:04 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  Active Directory Integration - ArchWiki
21:05 < DLSteve> AustinS, we use RHEL which supports AD out of the box afaik.
21:06 < AustinS> yeah, i was more going for just the config nuances, since really only thing needed to install is samba krb bind stuff..
21:06 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, actually now that I think about it they may just use straight up LDAP for authentication instead of Kerberos or NTLM.
21:06 < AustinS> Honestly never have done it though, I stay away from it
21:06 < gnupluslinux> rhel uses realmd? sssd?
21:06 < DLSteve> sssd
21:07 < pcspkr> sssd just has a really fucking annoying bug though, after rebooting the service starts before networking is properly up and goes into offline mode and never recovers
21:07 < AustinS> ^ a while back we had used ldap on a very few instances, had an ldap proxy just pointing to AD. that was motsly for web apps and such
21:08 < AustinS> now just all central user management for servers, no password auth, central SSH key management. it's really all mostly for dev environments too at this point
21:08 < L3gacy-FREE> I shouldnt have quit..
21:08 < L3gacy-FREE> ROFL
21:08 < L3gacy-FREE> My meds cost went up
21:10 < AustinS> :(
21:23 < MillerBoss> Do you know where the weight room is?
21:24 < AustinS> mine?! :O
21:30 < Hunterkll> dwow
21:30 < Hunterkll> perfect timing
21:30 < Hunterkll> i just reheated a plate of meat
21:30 < Hunterkll> and then my phone dings and says "your steak sauce has been delivered!"
21:31 < AustinS> :o
21:32 < AustinS> wish i had meat D: or anything except leftover pizza, gettin sick of it.. but only gonna stick aroudn here a few more hours
21:32 < MillerBoss> AustinS 👉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ylyp1WrHk
21:32 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  YouTube → Tommy Boy Who's your favorite Little Raschal → ⚘ 788,110 ↑ 1,266 ↓ 118 ✍ 207
21:33 < hello_kitty> How hard is it to mix my own vps services with a database from one of the big cloud providers? Like if I wanted a node.js api running on linode/vultr/equivalent and then wanted the database to be AWS RDS or google or something. I'm considering moving away from DIY db stuff
21:33 < pcspkr> ^ performance will be shit
21:35 < Hunterkll> to clarify
21:35 < AustinS> yeaa i wouldn't do that.. just stick to them being together.. :p
21:35 < Hunterkll> latency will be the issue
21:35 < AustinS> and possible connection interruption
21:35 < AustinS>  / just ded completely
21:36 < Hunterkll> i'd say that's far less likely
21:36 < AustinS> but definitely more likely than if they were not on completely separate networks, pretty safe to say
21:37 < hello_kitty> What about if the api that wraps the db calls was also amazon, and then the rest of the other servers/services consumed it
21:37 < Hunterkll> AustinS, sure, 0.01% more
21:37 < Hunterkll> nah, 0.00000001% more
21:37 < Hunterkll> remember, he's using providers taht are still on major backbone peering
21:38 < Hunterkll> it's not like a branch office using an AWS DB or a small 2 bit bobs server barn hosting arrangement
21:38 < Hunterkll> no offense to bobs server barn
21:38 < AustinS> there wasn't any definitive cloud provider, was just his examples of a few. :P and that assumes that definitely they both are.  I mean if you check all that first and do due diligence sure you can assume that
21:39 < Hunterkll> if you use any well known provider you can assume that
21:39 < Hunterkll> fuck, even digital ocean, as shit as they are, you can assume that
21:39 < AustinS> but someone asking that broad of a question i wouldn't want to just assume they'll pick the correct regions or some route won't fuck up
21:39 < AustinS> yea I just learned not to assume anything with internet routing stuff :p there's always gonna be some event regardless, even inside someones network, so always a risk no matter what way..
21:40 < Hunterkll> there's no need to 'pick the correct regions' or worry about route fuckups
21:40 < hello_kitty> so presumably i should pick a linode instance in the same region as the amazon db? (or put the API on an ec2 instance in the same datacenter)
21:40 < Hunterkll> it's literally so low of a risk
21:40 < Hunterkll> that it's irrelevant
21:40 < Hunterkll> ya'll motherfuckers worry about the most esoteric shit
21:40 < hello_kitty> this isnt like.. a crazy fast thing for my game.. it just login in players and (rarely) saving the game.. which is just json atm b/c it is small
21:41 < AustinS> well I'm more just saying it's not worth cheaping out that much over lol.
21:41 < Hunterkll> it really is though
21:41 < Hunterkll> these concerns are, basically, almost groundless since they'll never happen
21:41 < hello_kitty> the cheaping out part comes from some of the other services that i have to use
21:41 < Hunterkll> you're entirely glossing over any real issue
21:41 < Hunterkll> the fact that what hello_kitty wants to do requires exposing database interfaces on the public internet
21:41 < AustinS> mk
21:41 < Hunterkll> operationally it'll work
21:41 < Hunterkll> security wise it'll .....
21:42 < Hunterkll> well, misconfigurations on AWS have ganked government contractors all the way down to small businesses
21:42 < Hunterkll> :)
21:42 < AustinS> well i assumed you'd  tunnel them together too, lol.
21:42 < Hunterkll> AustinS, how?
21:42 < hello_kitty> the part i'm being cheap about is that I have to serve 5-15 TB of images, and i didnt want to do that via a cdn
21:42 < Hunterkll> then you've gotta set up a VPC & tunnel to it, and set up an interface to reach it
21:42 < Hunterkll> etc
21:42 < AustinS> a VPN?  or at least stunnel
21:42 < Hunterkll> again
21:42 < hello_kitty> but i do think maybe not doing the sql 100% myself on one of the vps is saving myself some time...?
21:42 < Hunterkll> how
21:42 < AustinS> if one server and one server
21:42 < AustinS> why not just .. connect them together
21:42 < AustinS> lol
21:42 < Hunterkll> AustinS, AWS database as a service
21:43 < Hunterkll> he doesn't have server access
21:43 < Hunterkll> just SQL connection access
21:43 < Hunterkll> there's no VM he's configuring or managing
21:43 < Hunterkll> (that's why it's cheaper)
21:43 < Hunterkll> AustinS, https://aws.amazon.com/rds/
21:43 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Amazon Relational Database Service (RDS) – AWS
21:43 < AustinS> if just RDS yea. sorry, I see ec2 instance above so wasn't sure if that was plan A or B
21:43 < hello_kitty> RDS is about cost?
21:43 < Hunterkll> AustinS, he was talking about API
21:43 < hello_kitty> I thought it was just trying to make things easier
21:44 < Hunterkll> hello_kitty, well, it's also better off pricing wise depending on data set ...
21:44 < hello_kitty> oh, cool
21:44 < hello_kitty> i mean the data that would actually go into this db is pretty small
21:44 < MillerBoss> `chuck
21:44 <+layer-eight> Chuck Norris: Chuck Norris usually showers by buying several dozen puppies and kittens, then starting up his wood chipper.
21:44 < hello_kitty> even if the total bandwidth use of the game is kinda high (for me, at least)
21:44 < Hunterkll> hello_kitty, but RDS can get /expenisve/ fast
21:44 < Hunterkll> depending on usage
21:44 < AustinS> yes I'm not dumb, I'm just .. if definitely not about cost and ya'll really want to use RDS ..
21:45 < Hunterkll> db.m1.large with 20GB of data at full utilization
21:45 < Hunterkll> is $168/month
21:45 < Hunterkll> so
21:45 < AustinS> yeah I was thinking if it was about cost, a RDS instance wasn't the first thing I'd jump to
21:45 < Hunterkll> depends on the data set
21:45 < hello_kitty> well really i was just considering what it would be like to not DIY 100% this time (which maybe won't pan out for me)
21:45 < Hunterkll> minimum is about $40/month using RDS
21:46 < Hunterkll> that's 20GB storage, db.m1.small, standard, 100% utilzed
21:46 < hello_kitty> but like, i never patch the servers... my backups are a cron job that copies a pg dump... etc
21:46 < Hunterkll> (100% utilized means it runs 24/7, not how much its actually used)
21:46 < Hunterkll> fukin automate the patching
21:46 < Hunterkll> god damn
21:46 < Hunterkll> you gotta patch the rest of your shit anyway
21:46 < AustinS> yeah i mean.. I rarely have to do ANY admin on sql instances running on instances
21:46 < hello_kitty> my instances are so short lived for the rest of the game infrastructure that i've just kind been lazy about it :/
21:47 < hello_kitty> like i fire them up.. they host a dozen or a hundred game sessions
21:47 < hello_kitty> at some point i nuke them and get some new ones
21:47 < Hunterkll> which game is this so that i know to never ever ever use/play it?
21:47 < hello_kitty> this would be one of the few long-lasting services
21:47 < Hunterkll> also i'm expanding my botnet, let me know so i don't target you
21:47 < Hunterkll> =]
21:47 < AustinS> Hunterkll, at least you wont need to worry if you get a bad score it may be gone ;o
21:47 < Hunterkll> pfff
21:47 < Hunterkll> i can just edit the score myself it sounds like
21:48 < hello_kitty> there are little browser io games.. the kinda stuff you find on http://iogames.space/
21:48 <+layer-eight> * hello_kitty →  .io Games | The BEST io Games List at iogames.space
21:48 < Hunterkll> kinda like
21:48 < Hunterkll> that doesn't help me
21:48 < Hunterkll> :P
21:48 < Hunterkll> oh thank the baby jesus it's so fast now
21:49 < Hunterkll> i finally moved like 50 VMs off of two dell 2950s with rotational disks only with no caching
21:49 < Hunterkll> :>
21:49 < AustinS> oof
21:49 < Hunterkll> one host had 20+ windows VMs
21:49 < Hunterkll> with SharePoint, SCCM, mutliple SQL, AD DCs, etc
21:49 < Hunterkll> :>
21:50 < Hunterkll> they are the backup kit, i'm afraid
21:50 < Hunterkll> i finally finished refitting my main hypervisors
21:50 < Hunterkll> now it's on a 5 rotational, 10 SSD disk'd box
21:50 < Hunterkll> + 2 SSDs for OS/Hypervisor
21:50 < Hunterkll> AustinS, thank god I use hyper-v because ESXi or Xen on the 2950s would have ground to a halt.
21:50 < AustinS> what cpu/ram/specs on new hypervisors?
21:50 < AustinS> brb
21:50 < MillerBoss> B R B
21:51 < Hunterkll> AustinS, they're not new, they were just being worked over
21:51 < Hunterkll> but 96GB ram and dual hex core xeons
21:51 < Hunterkll> R710 generation stuff in supermicro board
21:52 < rum_fiend> o/
21:54 < MillerBoss> Fucking m4221 is here
21:54 < MillerBoss> Hide
21:54 < rum_fiend> who dat boi
21:55 < Hunterkll> rum_fiend, one of the people who earned a spot on https://www.hugebuttholes.com
21:55 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  Home of #reddit-sysadmin
21:56 < MillerBoss> Wee
21:58 < MillerBoss> Hunterkll 👉 Take some pointers from here.
21:58 < MillerBoss> https://www.cameronsworld.net/
21:58 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Cameron's World
21:58 < agent_white> Who was the dude who had that Google interview the other day? Curious how it went.
21:58 < Hunterkll> lol
21:58 < MillerBoss> I was gonna make a site but I don't have the motivation just yet Hunterkll
21:59 < Hunterkll> lol
21:59 < MillerBoss> Like who ever made that site took a lot of time to do it
22:00 < DLSteve> MillerBoss, That is a tastefully shitty site, which is actually really hard to pull off.
22:00 < MillerBoss> Yes. The hrefs on the site are actually to geocities' sites that pull up within the site
22:01 < MillerBoss> With catscape navigator 2.0
22:01 < MillerBoss> Catscape is the most advanced browser available.
22:01 < MillerBoss> Version 2.324.46948633454654564646
22:01 < MillerBoss> Also you need that scroll bar on your site Hunterkll
22:02 < MillerBoss> I love the lazy load he has set up as you scroll down too
22:03 < MillerBoss> https://www.patreon.com/cameronaskin
22:03 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  Cameron is creating strange websites | Patreon
22:04 < m4221> MillerBoss is fucking here
22:04 < DLSteve> reminds me of https://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.html
22:04 <+layer-eight> * DLSteve →  Space Jam
22:06  * MillerBoss waves to m4221 
22:08 < coderphive> catscape
22:08 < coderphive> wat is this
22:09 < Hunterkll> lol
22:09 < MillerBoss> Catscape is the most advanced browser available.
22:10 < MillerBoss> This guy have felda and you, Hunterkll, beat by a LONG shot
22:10 < MillerBoss> s/have/has
22:10 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBoss] This guy has felda and you, Hunterkll, beat by a LONG shot
22:10 < Hunterkll> MillerBoss, it wasn't a competition
22:10 < MillerBoss> I know
22:10 < Hunterkll> i was just trying to document the huge buttholes in the channel
22:10 < MillerBoss> But make it one now
22:11 < Hunterkll> nah
22:11 < Hunterkll> i don't feel like uploading some of my old archived websites from when i actually made geocities stuff
22:11 < Hunterkll> :p
22:11 < MillerBoss> OK let me whip something up here
22:12  * MillerBoss fastens his seatbelt 
22:12 < coderphive> https://www.cameronsworld.net
22:12 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  MillerBoss → Cameron's World
22:12 < coderphive> Holy shit
22:13 < coderphive> I feel like I got a full frontal lobotomy
22:13 < Hunterkll> coderphive, did you try and convince felda to use something besides pfsense?
22:13 < coderphive> no
22:14 < Hunterkll> i hear they're considering using that as a replacement for actual lobotomy surgery
22:14 < coderphive> I have tried to get him to update his stupid website tho
22:14 < coderphive> also a sufficient substitute
22:14 < Hunterkll> lol
22:14 < coderphive> he told me he "has better things to do"
22:14 < coderphive> fucking liar
22:14 < Hunterkll> loooooool
22:15 < AustinS> back. and nice @ spec :p
22:15 < Hunterkll> eh
22:15 < Hunterkll> it's 2011 generation stuff
22:15 < Hunterkll> nothing fancy
22:16 < coderphive> Well I think my new dev machine is mostly working
22:16 < AustinS> well yeah nice for not new, obviously it's not the most giant thing in the world ha. no idea what we use for VM/hypervisor stuff, never logged in there/asked .. mostly cause also never use it
22:16 < coderphive> Meaning I have finally matched all the fonts
22:16 < AustinS> mostly just for outside contractors, so im sure it's mediocre :P
22:17 < coderphive> Also I had to setup znc which was lame
22:17 < AustinS> altho they do like to spend money on stuff like that, so who knows.. i should dig around
22:17 < Hunterkll> alright
22:17 < Hunterkll> i'm going to upgrade hugebuttholes.com
22:17 < Hunterkll> we're investigating HTML tables today
22:17 < coderphive> you won't
22:17 < AustinS> u stole my personal blog domain!?
22:17 < Hunterkll> HTLM TABLES
22:17 < coderphive> I also hope someone reverse name searches that and finds your personal blog
22:18 < Hunterkll> how woudl they do that
22:18 < coderphive> lmao I'm glad I ended up on your website
22:18 < coderphive> you need updates though
22:18 < AustinS>  like <table><td><th><tr>HI!</table> im sure.
22:18 < AustinS> (i know all wrong order.)
22:18 < AustinS> and horrible. intentional, just mocking tables.. although i miss them for some things.. flexbox is my love tho
22:19 < MillerBoss> I really hate AWS's new interface. Especially for S3. Thank you ver much.
22:19 < AustinS> new s3 interface? :o wat. as of when
22:19 < AustinS> or have i just been used to it lol
22:20 < AustinS> oh, i guess i got used to it.. I do recall the older one though
22:20 < MillerBoss> This one https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-06-02-15-20-12-C.png
22:20 <+layer-eight> * MillerBoss →  IMAGE/PNG; CHARSET=UTF-8 Document, 73,240 bytes
22:20 < MillerBoss> Newest*
22:20 < coderphive> lmao
22:20 < coderphive> that web-hosting.com Hunterkll
22:20 < AustinS> yea guess that's just the one I've seen for a while now.. also only go in there really to create shit
22:21 < coderphive> http://viewdns.info/reverseip/?host=198.54.115.78&t=1
22:21 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Reverse IP Lookup - ViewDNS.info
22:21 < Hunterkll> coderphive, ?
22:21 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it's namecheap's webhosting
22:21 < Hunterkll> its like $60/yr for unlimited sites and unlimited disk
22:21 < Hunterkll> lol
22:22 < coderphive> I guess they buy from web-hosting.com
22:22 < Hunterkll> no
22:22 < Hunterkll> they /bought/ web-hosting.com
22:22 < coderphive> oooh
22:22 < Hunterkll> go to web-hosting.com
22:22 < Hunterkll> it says 'go to namecheap'
22:22 < Hunterkll> jeeze
22:22 < Hunterkll> did you even bother checking the site?
22:22 < Hunterkll> lmao
22:23 < coderphive> the server hostname replies with web-hosting.com
22:23 < Hunterkll> right
22:23 < coderphive> different output
22:23 < AustinS> people be slow to update PTRs
22:23 < Hunterkll> first thing i did was go to web-hosting.com to see what it is
22:23 < Hunterkll> :)
22:23 < Hunterkll> AustinS, yea, like many years slow
22:23 < AustinS> i lookde up an IP i owned YEARS ago and its still pointing to my stuff
22:23 < Hunterkll> it's probably for legacy infra/compatibility reasons
22:23 < coderphive> oh, yeah
22:23 < AustinS> i still have RDNS authority on several /24's on level3 lol
22:23 < coderphive> I'm not that dedicated to this
22:23 < coderphive> kek
22:23 < Hunterkll> LOL
22:23 < Hunterkll> AustinS, i'm sure the same'll happen for a few things i have if i ever let go of them
22:23 < Hunterkll> a lot of people just don't care or don't need RDNS to be correct
22:24 < AustinS> yea.. basically until new person actually asks to get it setup it'll just sit forever
22:24 < coderphive> LMAO
22:24 < coderphive> cohosted with cosplaysluts.xyz
22:24 < Hunterkll> i also own that domain
22:24 < Hunterkll> :>
22:24 < AustinS> http://viewdns.info/reverseip/?host=54.236.192.188&t=1
22:24 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  Reverse IP Lookup - ViewDNS.info
22:25 < Hunterkll> coderphive, u findin all my domains bro
22:25 < Hunterkll> what do
22:25 < Hunterkll> :X
22:25 < coderphive> anticryptography.io
22:25 < AustinS> so many not fun domains but should make my personal site on one imo
22:25 < coderphive> wat dis
22:25 < Hunterkll> that's not mine
22:26 < Hunterkll> YESS
22:26 < Hunterkll> MARQUEE WORKS INSIDE TABLE
22:26 < coderphive> this is like watching someone learn to code in the 90's
22:26 < AustinS> and thats only a fraction of domains cause we dont point the rest to redirect IP lol, so lots more good ones elsewhere
22:26 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm limiting myself to only tech inside this 1999 book i have on hand that usually lives on my floor - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/078971759X/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
22:27 < Hunterkll> er, 1998
22:27 < coderphive> lmao
22:27 < Hunterkll> I did order the newer one for $5 though
22:27 < AustinS> still think payperview.com was a good domain we never really used much
22:27 < coderphive> ES2
22:27 < Hunterkll> so i may upgrade to XHTML & some perl CGI
22:27 < AustinS> dont forget about DHTML
22:27 < AustinS> !
22:27 < Hunterkll> AustinS, the one i have now has DHTML
22:27 < coderphive> lmao
22:27 < AustinS> lol
22:27 < Hunterkll> but yea
22:27 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Using-XHTML-XML-Java/dp/0789724731/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
22:27 < Hunterkll> the 2000 version i ordered for $5 shipped
22:27 < Hunterkll> it has perl CGI, ASP, PHP, JavaScriopt, etc
22:28 < AustinS> so weird seeing reviews on amazon from 1998 ...
22:28 < AustinS> i feel aged
22:28 < Hunterkll> hahahahahahhaha
22:28 < Hunterkll> holy shit you're right
22:28 < Hunterkll> the top review is May 23, 2000
22:28 < coderphive> cockringexpert.com
22:28 < coderphive> def owned by Hunterkll
22:28 < Hunterkll> nope
22:28 < Hunterkll> not mine
22:28 < Hunterkll> i wish
22:28 < coderphive> liart
22:28 < Hunterkll> that'd be fucking awsome
22:28 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i do own slut.solutions though
22:28 < DLSteve> "CGI programming with Perl"
22:28  * DLSteve runs away
22:29 < coderphive> I need to have a youtube show where I just get drunk and reverse ip search shared host ips
22:29 < Hunterkll> DLSteve, how else am i gonna write that guestbook?
22:29 < AustinS> aggression.com lol nb
22:29 < Hunterkll> i need to do something with bbwswrappedinbacon.xyz
22:29 < DLSteve> Hunterkll, there is a hot new language called PHP!
22:29 < AustinS> should use that for reverse dns or somethin
22:29 < AustinS> Hunterkll.full.of.aggression.com
22:29 < Hunterkll> lol
22:30 < coderphive> I own so many useless domains
22:30 < coderphive> They're like playing cards
22:30 < AustinS> i know, its easy when youre going "lol @ <some dumb shit>"
22:30 < AustinS> only $8-10 w/e
22:30 < AustinS> I try realllyyy hard not to look back and do math
22:31 < rpifan> hi
22:31 < AustinS> we have 5 .sex domains, and 4 xxx ones. nice
22:32 < rpifan> hi
22:32 < AustinS> ive owned/held onto bankreview.com for the longest time. for no reason.
22:32 < DLSteve> AustinS, arnt the .xxx ones super expensive?
22:32 < coderphive> hugebuttholes.com hasn't even fully propogated yet
22:32 < AustinS> idk probably. every domain we have registered is super expensive lmao
22:32 < AustinS> using MarkMonitor *cries*
22:33 < rpifan> looool
22:34 < AustinS> i still have $95 in namecheap credit tho, they def messed up one time, some certificate order i had made bounced back and forth and then somehow i ended up with $200 credit
22:34 < AustinS> figured it was just a glitch but nope
22:34 < Hunterkll> OH FUCKING SWEET
22:35 < Hunterkll> MY B&H IORDER IS HERE 2 DAYS EARLY
22:35 < AustinS> butt&hole?
22:35 < Hunterkll> i might be able to start developing tomorrow if the amazon stuff comes on time
22:35 < Hunterkll> i only need the D-76 developer and fixer now
22:35 < AustinS> whatre you doing? :p / ordering
22:35 < Hunterkll> and the changing bag
22:36 < genr8_> are there any domain TLDs you can renew after the first year price for less than $5  ?
22:36 < AustinS> btw anyone else hate okta/want to die? :)
22:36 < Hunterkll> AustinS, B&H Photo Video
22:36 < AustinS> ahh
22:36 < Hunterkll> AustinS, eh, if you have it set up properly for SSO with your AD and you don't have to auth to it it's nice
22:36 < Hunterkll> :)
22:37 < AustinS> true it does behave better on the mac. but even if i *was* part of the domain pretty sure theres no agent for linux
22:37 < Hunterkll> agent?
22:37 < Hunterkll> it just passes through your auth through the browser
22:37 < Hunterkll> via your logon session
22:37 < AustinS> err whatever the dumb thing is, not agent but the local client
22:37 < Hunterkll> no local client at all
22:37 < AustinS> you know what im saying!! lol. I just cant think of the dumb acronym, but yes whta you're talking about
22:37 < Hunterkll> I just have a clean slate windows install, domain joined, with VPN client and office
22:37 < AustinS> recall not seeing anything about support on linux
22:38 < AustinS> IWA
22:39 < AustinS> i always see it flash by in the URL before i get forwarded along, and I haven't slept in a while .. brain is starting to decompose lol
22:39 < coderphive> someone ddos Hunterkll
22:39 < AustinS> ok i will i have cogent, most powerful ISP on interewbs!
22:40 < AustinS> but yeah, I know Okta isn't terrible. at least it's implemented better now, I fought them on implementing it on any of our accounts/services, because they were having the local okta server go over http........... lol
22:40 < AustinS> i had to finally be like "see this is why it's bad", and that was before the IWA was implemented too
22:41 < AustinS> and they damn near refused to use the FQDN forever, so could never provision a valid certificate lol. i guess looking back they've come a long ways :p
22:48 < coderphive> Well
22:48 < coderphive> I'm sick
22:48 < coderphive> I'll catch you guys later
22:49 < AustinS> <3
22:49 < AustinS> bye
23:14 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/SVEMA-Soviet-Russian-Negative-Camera/dp/B00X1O1ZSI/ref=sr_1_103?s=photo&ie=UTF8&qid=1527973968&sr=1-103&keywords=35mm+film
23:14 < Hunterkll> I kind of want to use this
23:15 < genr8_> OK i really fucked up. I set "Force Lid Status" to "OFF" in my tablet BIOS and now the tablet can't show the BIOS to change the setting again
23:15 < genr8_> I would have to blindly navigate. the external monitor won't activate when only in BIOS....
23:15 < AustinS> flash it somehow? :S
23:15 < genr8_> i managed to get windows running
23:15 < genr8_> so maybe
23:16 < rhqq> Hunterkll: i can have a metric shit ton of these for cheap
23:16 < rhqq> they're considered trash here...
23:18 < genr8_> i knew i shoulda recorded a video of me changing the BIOS
23:19 < genr8_> I could hit Left arrow, go to the last page, and hit reset to defaults if i knew which menu # it was
23:20 < rhqq> 11 rolls "92 for $26; 4 rolls "93 for $20; bulk of 10 "88 for $53
23:23 < Hunterkll> rhqq, of soviet film?
23:23 < rhqq> exact brand
23:24 < rhqq> current prices on local craigslist clone
23:24 < Hunterkll> lol
23:25 < coderphive> bruh
23:26 < coderphive> The dude that owned this house before me installed the sprinkler system all shady like
23:26 < rhqq> oh, its the devops guy
23:26 < rhqq> hi coderphive o/
23:26 < coderphive> I actually don't work in DevOps
23:26 < rhqq> do you really have to take everything literally and seriously?
23:27 < coderphive> I mean, you did kind of catch my bad side
23:28 < coderphive> I should actually correct that
23:28 < coderphive> You came across as ignorant and now annoying
23:29 < rhqq> yeah, you **do** take everything seriously
23:29 < rhqq> =]
23:29 < coderphive> Not really
23:30 < coderphive> Being known as a toxic person isn't really a good look fam
23:30 < rhqq> oh man, whatever
23:30 < genr8_> YAY i got the BIOS reset. Delete, F3, Enter, F4 Enter
23:31 < coderphive> I'm over it, I don't really care
23:32 < coderphive> but yeah, being a dumbass to me a day after being obscene isn't making things improve
23:32 < Hunterkll> rhqq, too bad it'd probably cost so much to send it to me it's not worthj it
23:32 < Hunterkll> lol
23:32 < rhqq> Hunterkll: well, im flying to us and a on wednesday
23:32 < rhqq> so i can grab few for ya (granted i have spare kilograms)
23:32 < Hunterkll> rhqq, shit, transporting film via aircraft is fun
23:32 < Hunterkll> no
23:32 < Hunterkll> DO NOT EVER CHECK FILM
23:32 < Hunterkll> they use high powered x-ray on checked luggage
23:32 < rhqq> true that
23:33 < Hunterkll> I always carry film out of canister in a clear bag for manual inspection by airport security no matter where i go
23:33 < rhqq> well, i can do this too ;p
23:33 < DLSteve> film is still a thing?
23:34 < rhqq> for hipsters
23:34 < rhqq> well, it's like 2nd youth
23:34 < rhqq> you know, the older and more expired the better
23:35 < rhqq> "hey guys, 95% of that paper is noise, but you can see my face in upper right corner, it's blurred though"
23:35 < DLSteve> I don't miss it, sucked to develop.
23:35 < rhqq> there was one thing i dont miss about that though
23:35 < coderphive> Hunterkll, does the VA compensate you for anything?
23:35 < Hunterkll> for what?
23:35 < rhqq> you had that 23~36 shots
23:35 < Hunterkll> don't even talk about the VA
23:35 < coderphive> you were medically discharged right?
23:36 < Hunterkll> i'm 10 years into a fight with them
23:36 < coderphive> kek
23:36 < Hunterkll> coderphive, yes, which was overturned, and a whole bunch of other shit
23:36 < rhqq> so every pic was precious
23:36 < coderphive> I guess that answers my question
23:36 < Hunterkll> so the situation is muddy as fuck
23:36 < Hunterkll> my re-enlistment code was changed, my med stuff wiped, for the most part, etc
23:36 < rhqq> unlike today, it takes average 200 pics for a girl to go to a restroom
23:36 < coderphive> They're fighting me on an immuno-deficiency diagnosis
23:36 < coderphive> That occurred... right after I got back
23:37 < coderphive> Which is a side effect of the experimental anti-biotic they gave us
23:37 < genr8_> Gl getting them to admit it
23:37 < coderphive> I just wonder after you make x amount of dollars if they even pay still
23:37 < coderphive> so, is it worth even fighting
23:38 < DLSteve> rhqq, people took a bunch of crappy photos before. They just bought a bunch of film rolls.
23:38 < rhqq> well
23:38 < rhqq> here they were quite expensive
23:38 < genr8_> Anyone have an issue on a Windows 10 laptop/tablet where you close the Lid, the screen turns off like it should but only for a second and comes back on while shut ? and the screen stays on
23:38 < rhqq> i remember i was able to take a roll or two for every longer trip
23:38 < rhqq> as a kid, so i really had to plan ahead
23:39 < L3gacy-FREE> So.. Ordering 2 25dbi YAGIs, and 2 C BAND dishes for a client
23:39 < DLSteve> Also screw the people who take pictures of their kids birth and then go have it developed at the local one hour photo, no one wants to see that...
23:39 < coderphive> lmao
23:39 < L3gacy-FREE>  #WifiFoRMiles AND 2.4ghz phones getting blasted to fucking oblivion
23:39 < rhqq> haha
23:39 < coderphive> L3gacy-FREE, doesn't the FCC have rules against something like that kek
23:39 < rhqq> DLSteve: true that, modern technology brough us so many ways of getting nudes without anyone knowing
23:39 < rhqq> ;p
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> coderphive: I'm just supplying.  He's instaling
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> He wants about 1000 yard range amongst two properties
23:40 < coderphive> L3gacy-FREE, I actually think the FCC only cares about if you interrupt their stupid weather stations
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> I would so do an 8 bay array
23:40 < coderphive> that's insane
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> grab 18 dbi antennas at the focals
23:40 < L3gacy-FREE> Wifi around me for 2 blocks...
23:41 < genr8_> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/02/bitcoin-miner-in-nyc-home-interfered-with-t-mobile-network-fcc-says/
23:41 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Bitcoin miner in NYC home interfered with T-Mobile network, FCC says | Ars Technica
23:41 < coderphive> I have a dream of keeping our office 100% wifi
23:41 < genr8_> Bitcoin miner generated spurious emissions in 700MHz, disrupting T-Mobile LTE. ;p
23:41 < coderphive> hah wow
23:41 < L3gacy-FREE> Funq wifi
23:41 < L3gacy-FREE> I prefer 10gb copper
23:41 < coderphive> what is the 700MHz band?
23:42 < genr8_> t-mobile
23:42 < coderphive> I didn't think T-Mo had a specific band
23:42 < coderphive> I thought that was only Vzw
23:42 < DLSteve> no, every carrie has their own dedicated bands.
23:42 < genr8_> china uses it too i think
23:42 < DLSteve> *carrier
23:42 < DLSteve> in the US at least.
23:43  * L3gacy-FREE sings Russian Anthem
23:45 < genr8_> omfg i figured out why the damn tablet keeps waking up. I can move the cursor when the device is closed..... something is letting the touchpads move when shut
23:45 < genr8_> like if i rub the tablet
23:45 < genr8_> or press
23:45 < genr8_> on the lid
23:45 < coderphive> weird
23:45 < coderphive> I guess it makes sense
23:46 < coderphive> https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8a14c5_1996d763853a439894d7b5173739575a~mv2.jpg
23:46 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 100,437 bytes
23:46 < coderphive> lmao
23:46 < coderphive> Ajit Pai legit makes me laugh so hard
23:49 < genr8_> I want Jessica Rosenworcel to take his job
23:49 < genr8_> she's actually a real person
23:49 < DLSteve> I don't like people with last names I can't pronounce.
23:49 < coderphive> He testified that "a dispute this fundamental is not for us, five unelected individuals, to decide. Instead, it should be resolved by the people's elected representatives, those who choose the direction of government, and those whom the American people can hold accountable for that choice."
23:50 < coderphive> tbh, if he actually believes that then good on him
23:50 < coderphive> Doubtful doe
23:50 < genr8_> hes a farce. a plant.
23:50 < coderphive> idk why NN was pushed through the FCC in the first place
23:50 < genr8_> not like Jeff Sessions actually believes the bullshit he's spewing
23:50 < coderphive> That in itself was a dumb choice
23:50 < genr8_> er. Pai is not like Sessions. Sessions believes his own BS
23:51 < genr8_> Pai knows its BS
23:51 < coderphive> idk who that is
23:51 < DLSteve> coderphive, not really, all they did was change what the Internet was classified as.
23:51 < genr8_> attorney general
23:51 < coderphive> DLSteve, that's not all NN did
23:51 < genr8_> https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/politics/donald-trump-jeff-sessions-attorney-general/index.html https://politics.theonion.com/inconsolable-jeff-sessions-tries-to-commit-suicide-by-s-1826462420
23:51 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries To Commit Suicide By Smoking Joint
23:51 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Trump wishes he hadn't picked Jeff Sessions for attorney general - CNNPolitics
23:52 < coderphive> kek
23:52 < genr8_> not sure which is funnier
23:52 < coderphive> I don't follow politics at all tbh, so I have no idea who these people are
23:52 < genr8_> but probably shouldnt bring up detailed politics
23:52 < DLSteve> I think he just wanted to smoke and had to come up with an excuse...
23:54 < coderphive> I'm kind of looking forward to an ironic future where all my automation work was for not and the people of the world collapse in on themselves
23:57 <+precise> coderphive: I'm not gonna be on with LivePD tonight, NHL playoffs take precedent. Every. Single. Time.
23:57 <+precise> mmk?
23:58 < coderphive> :(
23:58 < coderphive> I'll stuff my face with whataburger and sit by myself
23:58 < coderphive> Also what net is Gibs on precise
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