--- Log opened Fri Jun 22 00:00:08 2018
00:00 < catbeard> what was my quit msg
00:00 < sadbox> rpifan: probably not the best place to take a nap
00:00 < dragonfleas> can I make another @ that points to a second IP
00:01 < catbeard> dragonfleas: yes
00:01 < catbeard> round-robin style
00:01 < dragonfleas> ah
00:01 < dragonfleas> maybe that's my solution
00:01 < rpifan> yea
00:01 < rpifan> guess so
00:01 < dragonfleas> so domain.com can resolve to multiple IP addresses?
00:01 < catbeard> yep
00:01 < dragonfleas> ahhhh
00:01 < catbeard> then just CNAME www to @
00:01 < dragonfleas> ahhhhh
00:01 < dragonfleas> well i'll cname webmail to @
00:02 < catbeard> so long as webmail is configured on both ips
00:02 < catbeard> or has a vhost on both ips
00:02 < dragonfleas> what do you mean configured on both IPS?
00:02 < dragonfleas> the vhost is binded to the internal IP
00:03 < dragonfleas> is it supposed to be binded to the public IP?
00:03 < abakedapplepie> i think he just means as long as a vhost is configured for webmail on both hosts
00:03 < abakedapplepie> or if its listening on all addresses thats fine too
00:03 < abakedapplepie> but if youre bound to, say, local hostname instead of internet address
00:03 < abakedapplepie> it wouldnt load
00:03 < abakedapplepie> because the request wouldnt be coming to from the right URI
00:04 < abakedapplepie> but that also depends entirely on the webserver software and i have no idea what youre trying to do
00:04 < abakedapplepie> just jumping in mid convo
00:04 < abakedapplepie> lol
00:05 < dragonfleas> fuck
00:05 < dragonfleas> i don't know what the fuck i'm doing and i'm a fucking retard
00:05 < dragonfleas> ELI5
00:06 < vavkamil> what a nice discussion
00:06 < ekaj_> Is there somewhere to download a specific windows build online w/o a license?
00:06 < vavkamil> ekaj_, do you want windows 7?
00:06 < ekaj_> no, 10
00:06 < vavkamil> I can't help with that
00:06 < ekaj_> digitalriver used to host it, and you can download windows 10 from microsoft, but you can't specify the build version
00:12 < rpifan> was it in here that someone was ooking for a pfy
00:12 < abakedapplepie> not one that falls asleep in the lobby
00:12 < abakedapplepie> xD
00:12 < estranger> ooky ooky
00:13 < rpifan> well i have narcolepsy
00:13 < rpifan> i could probably sue
00:13 < abakedapplepie> do it
00:13 < rpifan> cause thats a medicla condition and they ahve to accomodate
00:13 < rpifan> but i ownt bother
00:13 < rpifan> i tried to sue centra nad it idint work
00:13 < abakedapplepie> di you tell them that and proide documentation
00:13 < rpifan> well how wold i jus got fired now
00:14 < rpifan> i dont have documents
00:14 < rootsudo> rpifan you're unemployed?
00:14 < rootsudo> congrats
00:14 < rpifan> yes once again
00:14 < rpifan> ill try to file for unemployment
00:14 < rpifan> they told me to wait till june
00:14 < rpifan> anyway
00:15 < vavkamil> I'm unemployed too
00:15 < rpifan> r u russian
00:15 < vavkamil> czechia
00:15 < rpifan> oh hey
00:15 < rpifan> we need to have a chat
00:15 < rpifan> vavkamil, i was looking at czech visa
00:15 < rpifan> its a lot cheaper
00:15 < rpifan> and easier then german
00:15 < rpifan> i might go there
00:16 < vavkamil> brno is great for IT, prague not that much
00:17 < rpifan> brb vavkamil LETS CHAT MORE
00:18 < scwizard> why thing no worky :(
00:18 < scwizard> "[WARNING]: provided hosts list is empty, only localhost is available." m88888 the host list is right there
00:19 < estranger> U WOT M88888
00:19 < scwizard> i hate it when something works in local but not ci
00:19 < scwizard> it's the same docker image idgi
00:19 < estranger> scwizard, git gud
00:21 < enix> ha docker
00:22 < estranger> embrace the future
00:22  * enix clops by on his high horse
00:22 < enix> There's no need for docker...
00:22 < rootsudo> rpifan rpifan fan what happened
00:22 < scwizard> its fucking claiming there's no servers
00:22 < scwizard> mateeeeeeeeeeeee
00:24 < rpifan> rootsudo, i got fired
00:24 < rpifan> supposedly cause of 3 strikes
00:24 < rpifan> which i was never even told about
00:25 < rpifan> i was rude the firs day, i passe dout in the lobby and then last week i was rude to new hr person
00:25 < rootsudo> lol
00:25 < rootsudo> lol you triggered people
00:25 < enix> um
00:25 < rpifan> probably actually
00:25 < rootsudo> It just means you weren't a corporate culture fit
00:26 < rootsudo> holy fuck a strike system, are you in grade school
00:26 < enix> I just found a "fatal error has been detected" message with a thread dumped in my rsyslog.conf....
00:26 < rpifan> well she said thats how she thought about it
00:26 < rootsudo> enix I'm triggered and this is your first strike for trying to unbalance the conversation. We're currently on rpifan issues.
00:26 < rootsudo> enix Please get back on topic and show your support for your fallen comrade
00:26 < rpifan> in any case i was never informed of any of this
00:26 < rpifan> thanks rootsudo
00:27 < rpifan> yall have also become my sys admin fam
00:27 < rootsudo> rpifan they did you a favor / you didn't fit in
00:27 < rootsudo> milk them for some extra cash
00:27 < rpifan> how
00:27 < rootsudo> Write on medium
00:27 < rootsudo> post on glassdoor
00:27 < rpifan> cant i get sue for that kind of stuf
00:27 < rootsudo> before publish
00:27 < rootsudo> no
00:27 < rootsudo> it's your story and experience
00:28 < rootsudo> lol
00:28 < rpifan> how do i get money from that tho
00:28 < rootsudo> you extort them
00:28 < rootsudo> and they introduce an NDA
00:28 < rootsudo> and you sign for hush money
00:28 < rpifan> extoring is ielgal
00:28 < rootsudo> Did you do an exit interview
00:28 < rpifan> ilegal
00:28 < rpifan> nop
00:28 < rootsudo> rpifan well fuck you don't say "I'm going to extort you"
00:29 < scwizard> i don't get it
00:29 < scwizard> it even sshed into the gitlab runner
00:29 < scwizard> and tried it there and it works fine
00:29 < rpifan> so what do i say then
00:30 < rootsudo> you say "I'm deeply concerned with how you treat your employees here, with an undocumented strike system and zero feedback. How am I, or anyone supposed to improve if I'm not given clear or concise feedback? I thought we were all adults here and then I'm shown the door from an unknown three strike policy. This, in my opinon is a sign of unprofessionalism and I feel like I have to write and document my experience as I'll
00:30 < rootsudo>  reach out to several agencies to have their opinion weigh in because I feel this may be violating my rights"
00:30 < rpifan> i am gonna do that
00:30 < rootsudo> dpending on size of organization, they'll avoid social media backlash, glassdoor negative review, medium review, reddit, etc, social ranking is a big deal, you can also tag
00:30 < rootsudo> if you really want to be cruel, say you're trans
00:30 < rpifan> i am gay
00:31 < rootsudo> "as a trans individual, I never thought this company
00:31 < rootsudo> even better
00:31 < sadbox> tbh i'd hope for severance more than like
00:31 < rpifan> as i was going to go collect my stuff was like id appreciate it if u left quietly
00:31 < sadbox> a job back
00:31 < enix> scwizard: what you talking about
00:31 < rootsudo> +1 sadbox
00:32 < enix> rpifan: was this like today or yesterday?
00:32 < rpifan> right now that i got fired
00:32 < rpifan> i just got home
00:32 < enix> what the fuck
00:32 < rootsudo> "As a gay man, It's sad to admit this is still a thing in 2018, where closed door meetings, zero transperency in a company that boasts diversity and strength in numbers. I, myself am a proud person that embraces individualism, teamwork and colloboration. My past 48 hours has shown that company xyz embraces none of the above. This is my story: blah blah blah"
00:33 < rpifan> do i send them that in an email or what
00:33 < rootsudo> I sometimes wonder why I don't become a writer
00:33 < rpifan> also great text
00:33 < rpifan> i mighjt just take that
00:33 < rootsudo> Your email are personalized, you do not make an overt text, but you feel compelled to document your history and your exclusion from the company
00:33 < enix> rootsudo: re your triggering earlier; i wasn't reading the comment. THis is obviously way more shocking than a java error in a config file
00:34 < rpifan> cool might just do that
00:34 < rpifan> the women was insistance in giving me her card
00:34 < enix> WHAT THE FUCK
00:34 < rpifan> and saying that i reach out if i had quetions
00:34 < rpifan> idk why
00:34 < enix> YOU GOT FIRED FOR BEING RUDE
00:34 < enix> AND PASSING OUT
00:34 < rpifan> yes literally
00:34 < rpifan> my direct boss actually love dme, we had a meeting earlier today our one on one
00:34 < urgodfather> hello room, so i am building a new domain and want to go VPS? What im looking to do is incorporate RADIUS, VPN, AD, DC, SYSLOG, EMAIL. if you were building it, how would you go about it. what os for what role. how many VPS's . j/w
00:34 < rpifan> and she had no concerns abou me personally
00:34 < enix> I would extort the fuck out of them then release whatever dirt I had on them
00:35 < rpifan> sadly the only dirt i have is they are really really terrible programmed
00:35 < rpifan> lots of erros and bugs
00:35 < rpifan> thats about it
00:35 < rootsudo> urgodfather wrong channel to ask
00:35 < rootsudo> urgodfather we're on social commentary and after hour chat.
00:35 < urgodfather> oh, first timer to the channel?
00:35 < urgodfather> thats not a questeion
00:35 < rpifan> so basically i send hr an email saying that i felt excluded and concerned and that its important that i share my story?
00:35 < urgodfather> lol
00:35 < enix> urgodfather: idk about radius, squid proxy, openldap, idk what DC is, syslogs built in but elk is fun, email; good fucking luck
00:36 < enix> Stick to your own flavour of linux, run it off as many as your budget will allow but you could do it with like one or two
00:36 <@killdash9> HR is not your friend. Repeat after me.
00:36 < urgodfather> DC = domain controller
00:36 < enix> why would you need one
00:36 < rpifan> oh ive learnt that
00:36 < enix> oh new domain
00:36 < enix> sorry
00:36 < enix> sorry rpifan
00:36 < enix> Totally just derailed that convo then
00:37 < rpifan> its ok
00:37 < rpifan> im just interested in understanding how it would benefit me to tell hr im gonan tell ppl about my experience
00:37 < urgodfather> enix so this is the right room during "business hours" EST?
00:37 < urgodfather> j/w
00:37 < rpifan> CEST
00:37 < rootsudo> rpifan how long have you been with the company
00:37 < enix> urgodfather: I'm not qualified to answer that. I just come here and talk a lot of shit
00:38 < urgodfather> lmao
00:38 < rpifan> 2....months lol
00:38 < urgodfather> im good at that too
00:38 <@killdash9> urgodfather: this is a bitch about life channel first any more. With occasional tech questions answered
00:38 < enix> BUt you're currently in the Australian shift, which includes some o/s workers here to blow off steam
00:38 < rootsudo> oh, probation period
00:38 < admiralspark> dragonfleas_:
00:38 < enix> oh probation
00:38 < enix> Still though
00:38 < enix> Like... define "rude"
00:38 < rpifan> yea exactly
00:39 < rpifan> well the 3rd one was really a misunderadnng
00:39 < urgodfather> oh man, well i got a lot to bitch about
00:39 < rpifan> i was trying to be funny with the new hr guy, kinda sarcastic and stuff
00:39 < rpifan> but i did feel like it came out really harsh
00:39 < rpifan> after i said it
00:39 < rpifan> i change my toned
00:39 < rpifan> changed my tone
00:39 < enix> urgodfather: one at a time, rpifan just got fired by sensitive cunt fuckers
00:39 < rpifan> and shook his hand
00:39 < sadbox> rpifan: lesson learned there, sarcasm w/ the HR people is... never a good idea
00:39 < rpifan> and introduced myself by name
00:39 < rpifan> i thought that would mitigate it
00:40 < rpifan> taking time to shake hands be polite etc
00:40 < urgodfather> like how my cheap ass boss's refuse to pay me more, then hire more people and get new cars....
00:40 < MaxLeiter> is #reddit-sysadmin-support for sysadmin help?
00:40 < enix> rpifan: did you work in radio or TV or something?
00:40 < urgodfather> sell outdated equipement or even used (as new) with pirated software
00:40 < enix> Did our channel just get shared on reddit or something
00:40 < rpifan> nop none of that
00:40 < rootsudo> MaxLeiter no
00:40 < rootsudo> enix reddit is in the name brah
00:41 < MaxLeiter> anyone know of a sysadmin support channel? :P trying to ssh into a VPS
00:41 < enix> MaxLeiter: use ssh <hostname>
00:41 < urgodfather> MaxLeiter you can pm me
00:41 < enix> rpifan: what do you mean by "programmed poorly"
00:41 < urgodfather> i can help with that
00:41 < rootsudo> MaxLeiter #helpdesk is that way -->
00:41 < urgodfather> lmao rootsudo
00:41 < rpifan> thye jyst have a bunch of bugs
00:41 < rpifan> their infraastructure is a huge mess
00:41 < enix> in systems?
00:41 < enix> Ah true
00:41 <@killdash9> MaxLeiter: you're in the right place. Just ask.
00:41 < rpifan> stuff is patched together
00:41 < enix> Sorry I have to run and do work for a few minutes
00:41 < enix> can't waste a day
00:41 < rpifan> there is no security etc
00:41 <@killdash9> If someone can help, they will. But it's afterhours for much of the earth right now.
00:42 < rpifan> except calzifornia i gues
00:42 < enix> but shit man I'm really sorry about today. Definitely try cop a discrimination case and reach out to a lawyer
00:42 <@killdash9> yep, and no on ecounts Cali/west coast
00:42 < enix> rpifan: contact a lawyer; they'll hear your story, see if there's grounds to sue on. They might even do pro bono if they feel confident and they sometimes do if you have a good case
00:43 < sadbox> it's still 3:45 here (in cali)
00:43 < sadbox> and... people here tend to show up late / work late
00:43 < rpifan> i tried last time when i was fired from crytoshady
00:43 < rpifan> but they didnt care
00:43 < sadbox> so we're all in the office for ~2-3 more hours
00:43 < enix> rpifan: because legit; shit like that does not fucking fly in an actual business. Sure; if you're working at a bar or something it would make sense... but still
00:43 < enix> rpifan: with a name like cryptoshady i'm not surprised
00:43 < rpifan> lol
00:43 < enix> rpifan: stick around though I enjoy your gay ass herpes around here :)
00:44 < rootsudo> Enix: This is your 2nd warning for attempted triggering.
00:44 < rootsudo> enix A third attempt will result in immediate termination.
00:44 < enix> rootsudo: what?
00:44 < enix> Lol
00:44 < rootsudo> enix This is a safe space.
00:44 < enix> HA
00:44 < enix> I actuallyed laughed out loud
00:44 < enix> nice
00:44 < enix> bbl have to go do stuff
00:44 < enix> that I dont understand....
00:44 <@killdash9> safe space=we heckle everyone equally
00:44 < rpifan> remember yall
00:45 < rpifan> today is the first day of summer
00:45 < rpifan> the longest day of the year
00:45 < rpifan> which means winter starts tommorow
00:45 <@killdash9> u wish
00:45 < rootsudo> sad
00:45 < rpifan> todya marks the literal beginning of the end
00:45 <@killdash9> today started off as longest, shittiest day of year. Literally.
00:45 < estranger> horray finally boarding soon
00:45 < rpifan> up to this point things were getting brighter nad better
00:45 < rpifan> now its start to cloes down
00:45 < grumplestiltzkin> Summer here is like May-November
00:45 < rpifan> where is that
00:46 < grumplestiltzkin> Glorious Republic of Texas
00:46 < rpifan> i see
00:46 < rpifan> well in any case tommrow i have an interview iwth a german company
00:46 <@killdash9> I woke up at 4am to the smell of shit hitting my nose like a hammer. One of our dogs decided to drop like 3 days of shit all at once on the bedroom floor.
00:46 < rpifan> yall pray that they like me
00:46 < grumplestiltzkin> at least thats the 'doors off' jeep season months
00:46 < rpifan> even tho there any ad company so im conficted about that, as long as they pay to get me to europe
00:46 < rpifan> i can find something after  a few months
00:47 < rpifan> http://www.weq.com/en/
00:49 < enix> rpifan: come to Australia; we're hiring :P probably not as much money as you want though
00:49 < rpifan> i dont care about money
00:50 < rpifan> i care about more social equity
00:50 < enix> wow autoplay video with sound. FUck WEQ
00:50 < rpifan> and good weather
00:50 < rootsudo> killdash9 so your job is computer and dog sitter
00:50 < rpifan> like for real enix if u got any leads to job in AUS
00:50 < rpifan> im down
00:50 < enix> rpifan: tropical queensland, you get ALL the different weathers :P
00:50 < rootsudo> enix everyting in AU tries to kill you though
00:50 < MaxLeiter> killdash9: thanks, urgodfather helped me out
00:50 < enix> rootsudo: and I work at a place that houses all of them
00:50 < enix> I got stared down by a fucking koala yesterday
00:50 < rpifan> enix, if u r serious in wanting to help me out
00:50 < rpifan> im down to move
00:51 < rpifan> https://boards.greenhouse.io/weq/jobs/4025147002
00:51 < rpifan> this is job ad
00:51 < rpifan> someon help me
00:51 < rpifan> say good things
00:51 < urgodfather> rpifan what do you need help with?
00:51 < urgodfather> rpifan i cant get you the job
00:52 < rpifan> what kind of things would make the swoon
00:52 < rpifan> how / what hsould i say
00:53 < urgodfather> rpifan  im fucking awesome
00:53 < urgodfather> rpifan when i wake up in the morning i piss excellence on unicorns
00:54 < rpifan> sure
00:54 < urgodfather> rpifan i sleep all day and still manage to be the it guy for an it company
00:54 < urgodfather> just saying.... strut yo shit
00:54 < rpifan> i like to fuck guys in glory holes
00:54 < rpifan> and im the damn best one
00:54 < rpifan> i get all the strippers
00:55 < xamithan> But you got hiv
00:55 < urgodfather> if youre good at it, then tell them
00:55 < rpifan> i do
00:55 < rpifan> lol
00:55 < xamithan> Can't you transmit that?
00:55 < urgodfather> not by oral
00:55 < rpifan> im on pills
00:55 < urgodfather> unless theres an open cut on both people
00:55 < rpifan> pills kill th ehiv
00:55 < rpifan> no one that is undetectable has ever transmitted hiv
00:55 < rpifan> *
00:56 < enix> xamithan: you literally have to drink like 4L of the other persons saliva
00:56 < urgodfather> i thought pills strengthen the rod
00:56 < enix> or a litre.. one of the two
00:56 < xamithan> If it is that hard to transmit how do people catch it in the first place ?
00:56 < rpifan> dpeends on the pill
00:56 < rpifan> things have changed a lot
00:56 < rpifan> also lots of ppl get it from iv drugs
00:57 < urgodfather> xamithan depends on route... oral is hard... blood to blood or traditional sex
00:57 < urgodfather> i.e. not oral
00:57 < urgodfather> the type of tissue there is different
00:57 < rpifan> https://www.hivplusmag.com/undetectable/2017/9/27/breaking-cdc-officially-recognizes-undetectableuntransmittable-hiv-prevention
00:57 < xamithan> Guess I shouldn't need to worry about it anyway.  Not like I get any sex
00:57 < rpifan> r u not cute
00:58 < enix> xamithan: you're just not using the right drugs
00:58 < xamithan> Well to get interest online from females you have to be in like the top 5% of looks
00:58 < rpifan> just go gay
00:58 < xamithan> I don't think people can just decide to be gay O.o
00:58 < urgodfather> xamithan thats not true
00:59 < sadbox> xamithan: lol what
00:59 < xamithan> It is true unless you want to date way under your caliber
00:59 < rpifan> they can
00:59 < enix> Not at all
00:59 < rpifan> i can be bi
00:59 < rpifan> but women r hard to fuck sadly
01:00 < enix> FUck bbl i need to do work
01:00 < enix> stop side tracking me haha
01:00  * enix is detaching his screen sesh
01:00 < urgodfather> xamithan enix made a valid point.... also, online dating... hide yo pic and get them talking first. they gonnna want to see it.... make them wait. play hard to get. and woo them into not caring... also dont try out of your league
01:00 < rpifan> LOL
01:01 < xamithan> If you don't put a pic you get even less responses ;P
01:01 < urgodfather> ever heard of the game?
01:01 < urgodfather> you should read it
01:01 < urgodfather> xamithan not true
01:01 < urgodfather> first thing they say is wheres your pic
01:02 <+MillerBOSS> https://appleton.craigslist.org/cto/d/1998-chevrolet-silverado-z71/6609662558.html $1000 for that. Seems not real
01:02 <+MillerBOSS> Unless the idiot forgot a 0
01:03 < urgodfather> put some shit on your profile that ropes them in some. be funny from the get go. ever read an amazon review about sugar free gummy bears? go read some. thats how funny you need to be, but not about the effects of sugar free gummies, ok?
01:04 < genr8_> dumb people put fake prices on craigslist then you call and its like "sorry the price is 15k"
01:04 < urgodfather> scammers do too
01:04 < xamithan> Those tires look to be more than 1,000 alone
01:04 < xamithan> Scam
01:04 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
01:05 < xamithan> I am much too uninterested to play games to get dates online urgodfather
01:06 < urgodfather> xamithan so you dont like getting it wet?
01:06 < xamithan> I do,  but it isn't a prime motivator like most people
01:07 < urgodfather> ok so get a dog then
01:07 < xamithan> Allergic
01:08 < genr8_> we're just ahead of our time
01:09 < rpifan> genr8_, did u see i got filred
01:09 < rpifan> fired
01:09 < genr8_> what no
01:09 <+MillerBOSS> Asking too many questions?
01:09 < xamithan> sleeping in the lobby O.o
01:09 < rpifan> nop, yall can see the scrollback but yea
01:10 < rpifan> my direct boss loved me
01:10 < rpifan> hr apparently had being keep a silent tally on my mistakes
01:10 <+MillerBOSS> Pulling a George and doing the cleaning lady at work?
01:10 < xamithan> Hope you didn't sign anything when they got you out
01:11 < urgodfather> rpifan make yourself hard to replace
01:11 < urgodfather> thats what i do
01:12 < urgodfather> they can fire me if they want but its cheaper to keep me
01:12 < rpifan> lol
01:12 < rpifan> i haventsigned anythign at all
01:12 <+MillerBOSS> What do you do that another person can not do urgodfather?
01:12 < urgodfather> i control all their servers, if they fire me i may gain amnesia
01:12 < rpifan> lol
01:13 < rpifan> im sure ud get sued out of it
01:13 < rpifan> SpeakerToMeat, welcome i got fired
01:13 < rpifan> join the chat
01:13 <+MillerBOSS> No documentation?
01:13 < urgodfather> sued for a pw?
01:13 < urgodfather> sure there is, all over the place, they are too dumb to look
01:13 < genr8_> sued for loss of business continuity when you signed something that said you wouldnt do that when you joined ?
01:14 < urgodfather> never signed anything
01:14 < rpifan> no docs
01:14 < genr8_> lucky
01:14 < urgodfather> right to hire/right to work thats it
01:14 < rpifan> yea
01:14 < urgodfather> no  non compete, no non disclosure, no nothing
01:15 < urgodfather> i could take that business down without even being malicious
01:15 < urgodfather> make a few calls, inform a few people about a few things that i know and they'd be tied up into litigation so much that they wouldnt want to waste their time with me
01:16 < misspwn_> rpifan, :(
01:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> I think I wanna install linux on my laptop...
01:16 < urgodfather> do it
01:16 <+MillerBOSS> McDonaldsWiFi 👉 Better idea, install linux on all workstations.
01:17 < rpifan> oh hi misspwn_
01:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> MillerBOSS: I  wish
01:17 < rpifan> i always thought about u and my boss
01:17 < rpifan> yall are similar
01:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> I think I'm going to tonight
01:17 < rpifan> very talented qualified ppl
01:17 < rpifan> that arent getting taken seriously
01:17 < misspwn_> rpifan, used it though
01:17 < rpifan> but its not fair
01:17 < rpifan> as i got fired i said so
01:17 < rpifan> to the hr ppl
01:17 < misspwn_> you have to keep fighting and sometines you lose the energey to fight and you blend in
01:17 < misspwn_> you clock in , do some shit, clock out
01:17 < rpifan> my boss is a good person, qualified, smart and tries really hard to improve the business
01:18 < misspwn_> of course i try to bust my ass and they do notice that, but time is money in the end
01:18 < rpifan> but no one listens, her boss even just randomly misses the meetings theyre supposed to have
01:18 < rpifan> my boss is supposedly under the cto
01:18 < rpifan> but the cto ignores her, thats what i was told by her
01:18 < misspwn_> it helps that my coo is female
01:18 < urgodfather> misspwn_ not always the case, when they stop caring, then you have to put the fear in them to remind them how valuable you are
01:18 < misspwn_> they wouldn't keep me if i was terrible
01:18 < rpifan> i tried to adopt a listening piece when we had our weekly one on ones, i asked her how she was doing etc
01:19 < misspwn_> becauase at an MSP it's a revolving door or so i hear
01:19 < misspwn_> but i still enjoy working there
01:19 < xamithan> No reason to bust ass for any company unless you getting some of the profits
01:19 < rpifan> xamithan, agreed i complained about that
01:19 < rpifan> in our anon survey
01:20 <+SpeakerToMeat> rpifan: why?
01:20 < misspwn_> i went from an internal position to something like this and it's way different. i don't like the whole billable hours things i really don't like that, i wish i could not worry about spending 30minutes or even 40 minutes on something without that sense of urgency
01:20 < rpifan> cuase its true
01:20 < misspwn_> but they haven't treated me unfairly, and until i stop enjoying what i do, i will stay
01:21 <+SpeakerToMeat> rpifan: No, why were you fired
01:21 < misspwn_> because he's a rude ass
01:21 < rpifan> well im gonna go walk on the beach and say bye to the longest day of the year
01:21 <+MillerBOSS> Well this is gonna get REAL interesting https://www.techmeme.com/180621/p18#a180621p18
01:21 < rpifan> and yea rude and lseeping the lobby
01:21 < rpifan> bbl
01:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> What's the closest thing to notepad++ on *nix?
01:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> Probably gonna roll Debian
01:22 < urgodfather> McDonaldsWiFi theres a lot of choices
01:22 < urgodfather> some are cooked in
01:22 < urgodfather> vi is one
01:22 < urgodfather> nano is another
01:22 < urgodfather> lots of editors
01:23 < xamithan> vi,vim,emacs,sublime,sublime3,atom,etc.
01:23 <@killdash9> you forgot 'ed'
01:23 < dragonfleas> admiralspark, is one of the coolest dudes in this IRC
01:23 < xamithan> Thats because it sucks
01:23 < dragonfleas> should give him +v
01:23 <@killdash9> found admiralspark's smurf account
01:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol vi
01:23 < dragonfleas> lmao
01:24 < xamithan> You can use notepad++ in linux though too
01:24 < xamithan> There is a snap
01:24 < urgodfather> yep
01:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> without WINE or something?
01:24 < xamithan> Nah it uses wine
01:24 < xamithan> THere is something called notepadqq that doesn't use wine
01:24 < catbeard> any vBulletin nerds itc
01:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> ooo I like notepadqq
01:25 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm just looking for a minimal IDE but not TOO minimal xD
01:25 < catbeard> https://github.com/antirez/kilo
01:25 < catbeard> lol
01:26 < aName> Anyone here know anything about medium-scale solar panels? Not like, the little 14w panels, but something in the 100-500w range as a sort of backup plan - that I could have on a frame ready to be packed and moved.
01:26 < misspwn_> you can use notepad++ on linux
01:27 < misspwn_> o xamithan already said that
01:27 < McDonaldsWiFi> aName: what are you trying to do?
01:27 < dragonfleas> can someone go to https://www.humanskills.org and tell me if it's up?
01:27 < dragonfleas> i think i'm hitting cache
01:27 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: Nothing in particular, just something to tide me over if the power goes out in the summer
01:27 < catbeard> dragonfleas: you can check redbot.org
01:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh I see!
01:28 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: I've got a generator, but I don't really NEED that level of output and it's noisy and expensive
01:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> You'll need an inverter!
01:28 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: I have one of those
01:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> and a battery to keep inbetween
01:28 < aName> Yeah
01:28 < aName> I know that
01:28 < xamithan> Can ping it,  can't load https
01:28 < catbeard> i get connection error
01:28 < McDonaldsWiFi> sounds like you've got it lol
01:28 < aName> I'm just wondering if there's a good panel to buy or what
01:28 < aName> I know go monocrystalline
01:28 < aName> But uh... beyond that, iunno
01:28 < admiralspark> lol
01:28 < catbeard> dragonfleas: seems it's not listening on port 443
01:28 < admiralspark> killdash9: nah fam
01:29 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: I see it
01:29 < misspwn_> i keep thinking when someone highlights McDonaldsWiFi they are talking about McDonaldsWiFi
01:29 < dragonfleas> admiralspark, maybe it's your cache
01:29 < dragonfleas> redbot gave a connection error
01:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> misspwn_: wut
01:29 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh the actual wifi
01:30 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
01:30 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have colors on my client so it doesn't even occur to me :P
01:31 < aName> It does look like there are significantly more options in this space than the last time I asked this question.
01:31 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: you sure it's not the TTL still hasnt expired
01:31 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: it works in other browsers for me too
01:32 < dragonfleas> weird
01:33 < dragonfleas> catbeard said he couldn't access it admiralspark
01:33 < xamithan> Can't here either
01:33 < admiralspark> hmmmmmmm
01:33 < xamithan> Even turned off the vpn
01:34 < genr8_> holy shit check out these high end servers: https://youtu.be/ie2MMeQ-icE
01:34 < admiralspark> tried it on my phone dragonfleas it worked. I suspect theyre not using https or something
01:34 < admiralspark> oh
01:34 < admiralspark> no
01:34 < admiralspark> 100% guarantee it's TTL
01:35 < dragonfleas> yeah http was blocked on that IP so only https was enabled
01:35 < dragonfleas> i went ahead and added http into the access list
01:35 < catbeard> dragonfleas: i couldn't access from digicert.com/help redbot.org
01:35 < catbeard> didn't try directly
01:36 < dragonfleas> try directly lol
01:36 < urgodfather> so i am building a new domain and want to go VPS? What im looking to do is incorporate RADIUS, VPN, AD, DC, SYSLOG, EMAIL. if you were building it, how would you go about it. what os for what role. how many VPS's . j/w
01:36 < catbeard> can't just be clickin links in irc yanno
01:36 < catbeard> that's how you get got
01:36 < genr8_> you can but you should be careful
01:36 < admiralspark> urgodfather: what? You want a windows domain hosted via VPS's?
01:37 < dragonfleas> catbeard, it's my org's website lol
01:37 < xamithan> You hosting all those on one VPS ?
01:37 < urgodfather> not really windows
01:37 < xamithan> AD is windows,  unless you mean samba
01:37 < urgodfather> and doesnt have to be one vps
01:37 < genr8_> what is AD/DC then
01:37 < genr8_> if not windows
01:37 < admiralspark> urgodfather: AD/DC is windows
01:37 < urgodfather> domain controller and active directory... those arent strictly windows
01:38 < catbeard> works in chrome
01:38 < genr8_> put the AD/DC on a windows VPS, the Radius syslog and email on another one
01:38 < urgodfather> are they?
01:38 < catbeard> https://i.imgur.com/g3KcZvF.jpg
01:38 < admiralspark> urgodfather: Active Directory is literally a windows product
01:38 < admiralspark> what you're possibly thinking of is SAMBA
01:38 < admiralspark> and you don't want to use it
01:38 < urgodfather> then why does synology offer it?
01:38 < admiralspark> what?
01:38 < urgodfather> no samba is for file sharing
01:38 < admiralspark> synology...? Can you link what you're referring to?
01:38 < admiralspark> no
01:38 < xamithan> samba is for a lot more than file sharing
01:38 < dragonfleas> a team of monkeys needs to be deployed to fix my website
01:38 < urgodfather> im building for single sign on
01:38 < admiralspark> SAMBA is a *nix service. SMB is file sharing, and is part of it
01:39 < urgodfather> oic
01:39 < dragonfleas> AC/DC is a band, not a director service
01:39 < dragonfleas> retards
01:39 < xamithan> hehe
01:39 < urgodfather> ive always considered to be the same
01:39 < admiralspark> urgodfather: are you just pasting buzzwords in IRC :P
01:39 < xamithan> Nah it used CIFS for a looong time
01:39 < urgodfather> no
01:39 < xamithan> Then they switched to smb
01:39 < urgodfather> im typing too fast for that
01:39 < dragonfleas> devops devops devops devops devops devops devops devops
01:39 < urgodfather> :P
01:39 < urgodfather> lmao
01:39 < dragonfleas> b u z z w o r d s
01:39 < admiralspark> xamithan: cifs ain't dead! long live CIFS
01:39 < urgodfather> lmao
01:39 < urgodfather> shuddup
01:39 < xamithan> It should be dead and buried!
01:39 < dragonfleas> EXT4 needs to be dead already
01:39 < admiralspark> lol
01:40 < admiralspark> Someone told me the same about NFS the other day
01:40 < urgodfather> im rebuilding and taking suggestios
01:40 < admiralspark> it's all perspective
01:40 < sadbox> dragonfleas: who doens't like ext4?
01:40 < dragonfleas> NFS is dead
01:40 < dragonfleas> sadbox, windows guys
01:40 < xamithan> Well if you want single sign on,  you can't go wrong with AD
01:40 < admiralspark> urgodfather: build windows. Don't cloud host it
01:40 < dragonfleas> ZFS <3
01:40 < admiralspark> man
01:40 < catbeard> holy god you fuckers type fast
01:40 < urgodfather> admiralspark so... vmware
01:40 < xamithan> Unless you want to work out the mess that is FreeIPA
01:40 < dragonfleas> lmao
01:40 < admiralspark> I'm a ZFS zealot but unraid tho
01:40 < dragonfleas> catbeard, maybe you should shave your cats beard
01:40 < admiralspark> urgodfather: yep. On-prem.
01:40 < dragonfleas> alright guys
01:40 < dragonfleas> i guess the websites working
01:40 < dragonfleas> see ya
01:40 < admiralspark> When you're comfortable with it, urgodfather , start moving stuff to azure
01:41 < admiralspark> l8r
01:41 < urgodfather> admiralspark thats how it is now but physical access is an issue
01:41 < urgodfather> i wish!!!!
01:41 < urgodfather> they wont pay for it
01:41 < xamithan> But they'll pay for VPS ?
01:41 < xamithan> Isn't azure just vps?
01:41 < urgodfather> at 20/mo per server
01:42 < xamithan> An AD server is going to be a lot more than 20/mo cloud hosted
01:42 < urgodfather> thats cheap to them... to incorporate 365 azure and stuff like that
01:42 < admiralspark> yeah
01:42 < admiralspark> 20/mo/user maybe
01:42 < urgodfather> yep
01:42 < xamithan> ^
01:42 < admiralspark> with discounts
01:42 < urgodfather> see what i mean
01:42 < admiralspark> yeah dude
01:42 < admiralspark> that's WAY more expensive
01:42 < urgodfather> so no ad, ldap then
01:42 < admiralspark> and that won't be AD
01:42 < admiralspark> what
01:42 < admiralspark> dude
01:42 < xamithan> You don't want ldap
01:42 < xamithan> you realy don't
01:43 < urgodfather> why not?
01:43 < xamithan> Is your shop full Nix ?
01:43 < urgodfather> i can incorp to my firewalls too
01:43 < genr8_> im glad he's asking these questions so I dont have to
01:43 < urgodfather> no
01:43 < xamithan> Then you'll run into millions of problems
01:43 < xamithan> syncing will take like 20 min on sign in
01:43 < xamithan> those types of things
01:43 < urgodfather> oic
01:44 < urgodfather> BUT i could could host all those... minimal VPS and then expand
01:44 < xamithan> So what happens if you lost connection to your tunnel.  Is everyones work just dead until it resumes ?
01:44 < urgodfather> like i said my biggest issue is physical access and with me moving out of the office that makes it a bigger issue
01:45 < sadbox> urgodfather: are you worried about other people having physical access
01:45 < sadbox> or you not having it
01:45 < urgodfather> this is already an issue
01:45 < catbeard> do you need a ddos protected reverse tunnel to access your office?
01:45 < urgodfather> one guy gets bored and when he doesnt know what it does, he pulls it out. he can do that though b/c he's part owner
01:46 < genr8_> Check out this Intel "Ruler" form-factor SSD for servers: https://puu.sh/AJDHU/8bd40132b0.png
01:46 < admiralspark> urgodfather: where the hell are you?
01:46 < xamithan> Why is some dude pulling random cables out
01:46 < xamithan> Put a lock on the door,  lol
01:46 < urgodfather> catbeard i already have a vpn to access my site from anywhere
01:46 < urgodfather> cant do
01:47 < genr8_> How have i not noticed this existing yet: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11702/intel-introduces-new-ruler-ssd-for-servers
01:47 < urgodfather> spent several K on server rack and servers, built it up then they repurposed the room
01:47 < catbeard> i meant reverse ssh tunnel
01:47 < catbeard> so you don't need a vpn endpoint, can be a deny all firewall in front
01:47 < urgodfather> i have colleagues that move wires and add routers/ap's when they need
01:48 < sadbox> urgodfather: Trying to work around $PERSON_WITH_POWER who likes to cause random chaos and you have $ALMOST_ZERO_BUDGET
01:48 < urgodfather> catbeard got that part coverd, and i could reverse the connectivity
01:48 < sadbox> idk, give up, go find a different job
01:48 < urgodfather> sadbox story of my current life
01:48 < urgodfather> lol
01:48 < urgodfather> working on that
01:48 < urgodfather> no certs at the moment
01:49 < urgodfather> recruiters wont play ball
01:49 <+MillerBOSS> I hear #reddit-sysadmin is hiring, isn't that right cryptic1?
01:49 < sadbox> urgodfather: got to find better recruiters, a lot of the people in here don't have certs either
01:49 < sadbox> myself included
01:49 < genr8_> i have certs :/ no job tho
01:49 < catbeard> we don't need no steenkin certs
01:49 < urgodfather> thats refreshing, no formal ed either?
01:49 < sadbox> but, regardless, if he's gonna randomly unplug shit he could just unplug the VPN or whatever
01:49 <+MillerBOSS> Someone needed to audit channel CALs
01:49 < sadbox> urgodfather: correct
01:50 < urgodfather> school of trial by fire
01:50 < urgodfather> or hard knox
01:50 < xamithan> Not like certs help ya or anything unless you doing Gov work
01:50 < urgodfather> thats me... i just do
01:52 < MikeSpears> Anyone wanna buy a thinkpad t440s off me?
01:54 <@cryptic1> MillerBOSS, nawp
01:56 < genr8_> was a good machine while it lasted
01:56 < Alderin> This is kindof a rant, ignore me if you want. I'm trying to simplify the management of 130 VOIP phones. We own the phones, our provider doesn't support saving custom configurations on their auto-configuration server, so when the power goes out, I get to reconfigure the phones individually.
01:57 <@cryptic1> Alderin, wow sounds like lots of fun
01:57 < Alderin> I researched and found that building an auto-configuration server in-house would be pretty easy and really low on resources.
01:57 < genr8_> so do it?
01:58 < Alderin> I thought it would make things much easier if my in-house autoconfig would contact the provider's autoconfig for the stuff that they send, then just layer on all the stuff we want. Configuration proxy...
01:58 < urgodfather> Alderin get PoE switch and put it on UPS
01:58 < urgodfather> easy fix
01:58 < xamithan> Get a building wide UPS and generator,  easy fix
01:59 < Alderin> But, their auto-config server won't ssl handshake with anyone that doesn't have the VOIP phone mfg certificate.
01:59 < urgodfather> xamithan that cost a lot
01:59 < urgodfather> based on 130 phones building is big
01:59 < genr8_> xamithan: can't you pull the cert out of the phone ? Isnt there documentation on building said config server ?
01:59 < genr8_> errrr. Alderin
01:59 < urgodfather> couple grand on PoE swtiches and UPS's and network stays up, phone stay up
02:00 < xamithan> couple grand?  I just sold a few PoE switches for 20 bucks and a UPS for 100
02:00 < genr8_> i like urgodfather's idea
02:00 < genr8_> yea or that
02:00 < Alderin> urgodfather: 3 locations, all have PoE switches on UPS. Didn't help when one location was out for four hours last Friday.
02:00 < genr8_> ANyone wanna sell me a gigabit managed switch that i can set up VLANs on for $20 ?
02:00 < urgodfather> Alderin those are all factors
02:01 < xamithan> Sure,  but shipping will cost more than $20
02:01 < genr8_> its a big one?
02:01 < urgodfather> how many watts pulled on switch, how many watts switch pulls, how big is ups
02:01 < xamithan> Not really big,  just the weight
02:01 < Alderin> genr8_: I can pull the public side of the cert from the phone, but that shouldn't help when the server sends data encrypted with it and I don't have the private key.
02:03 < genr8_> damn this thing was on sale for $33 like 2 days ago i shoulda just gotten it https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00K4DS5KU/?coliid=I20RJH50VRBBH9
02:03 < xamithan> Ah you can buy the same switch for 19.18 free shipping
02:03 < genr8_> name?
02:03 < xamithan> DES 3226L
02:04 < xamithan> Just a little d-link 24port
02:04 < abakedapplepie> how is that the same switch
02:04 < xamithan> Ah wait that is the 100m version
02:04 < xamithan> I don't got the model number for the 1gig version
02:04 < abakedapplepie> fuck d-link
02:04 < abakedapplepie> seriously
02:05 < abakedapplepie> wouldnt go anywhere near em
02:05 < abakedapplepie> at all, ever
02:05 < genr8_> what about that trendnet one
02:05 < urgodfather> genr8_ thats a decent cheap managed switch but it aint powered and you get what you pay for
02:05 < abakedapplepie> i have a tp-link router, its.. ok
02:05 < Alderin> So it seems like I'll have to set the phone to connect to their auto-config, let it get that config, then point it to the in-house auto-config, have it PULL the config from the phone, then provide all of the config stuff it needs.
02:06 < genr8_> have any documentation on the config  or handshake process
02:07 < genr8_> how do the phones auto-anything? DHCP options?
02:07 < Alderin> genr8_: Tons, none of it very helpful. :)
02:07 < genr8_> whats to stop a malicious entity from putting a phone config server on your LAN and pwn'ing all your phones with a rogue config?
02:07 < Alderin> genr8_: They CAN auto-detect via DHCP and TFTP, but the provider uses an https value.
02:07 < abakedapplepie> if you want a cheap managed switch find a used netgear srw series
02:08 < abakedapplepie> aka cisco sg series
02:08 < genr8_> kk
02:08 < urgodfather> genr8_ isnt that how target got hacked... by the phones?
02:08 < catbeard> genr8_: VLANs
02:08 < catbeard> and portsecurity
02:08 < genr8_> k good answer. thats why i want this managed switch, for the VLAN
02:08 < abakedapplepie> s/linhksys/netgear
02:08 < Alderin> what catbeard said.
02:08 < abakedapplepie> oh i said netgear
02:08 < abakedapplepie> im drunk
02:09 < xamithan> Why not just get a used cisco 2950 or 2970
02:09 < xamithan> Might pay a bit more but they are rock solid
02:09 < genr8_> cisco 2950 for ....... $29.50 on ebay lol
02:09 < Alderin> I'm not using a VLAN, but it is a separate subnet with port security.
02:10 < genr8_> those are 10/100 too
02:10 < genr8_> why is everyone back in the stone age
02:10 < xamithan> The 2970 isn't
02:10 < Alderin> genr8_: they aren't, this is the crap they just upgraded from. :)
02:10 < genr8_> oh the 2970 is gigabit but its like. $100+
02:10 < genr8_> i mean his recommendation of even saying 2950
02:11 < abakedapplepie> even the srws are 50 lol
02:11 < xamithan> Because you are looking for like a 20 buck switch
02:11 < urgodfather> abakedapplepie i noticed you lurk in ##ubnt too, did you see my msg over there?
02:11 < genr8_> i said gigabit tho
02:11 < xamithan> When we price out switches it is like 1,000 to 3,000
02:11 < genr8_> i'd pay more if it was worth it
02:11 < genr8_> i need 8 ports and VLAN. so $20
02:11 < Alderin> Low-end (home) users are going wifi, and newbies might think wires are faster and grab the cheap crap.
02:12 < abakedapplepie> genr8_ that tp-link is your best bet
02:12 < abakedapplepie> cheapest bet
02:12 <@JollyRgrs> anyone here use a steam link?
02:12 < abakedapplepie> for a new device
02:12 < genr8_> what if TP-Link gets hacked and my switch goes rogue
02:12 < abakedapplepie> well youre asking for a cheap device
02:12 < MikeSpears> reboot it
02:12 < xamithan> Then thats what you get for buying a cheap one lol
02:12 < abakedapplepie> idk what to tell you lol
02:12 < genr8_> K lol
02:12 < abakedapplepie> next best option is an 8-port unifi switch
02:12 < abakedapplepie> thats $100
02:13 < urgodfather> Alderin but wires are faster!!! b/c its wired. no latency
02:13 < urgodfather> Alderin thats their argument
02:14 < Alderin> and they buy the cheap 10/100 stuff, and it sucks, and then they figure out gigabit and buy that and throw the 10/100 stuff on ebay for cheap.
02:14 < genr8_> If anyone switches from wifi to wired they're not a noob
02:14 < genr8_> i doubt that scenario highly
02:15 < urgodfather> i always build to suit
02:15 < Alderin> Yeah, so do I. hypotheticals can get away from me.
02:15 < xamithan> ^
02:15 < xamithan> I like cheap so I just buy unmanaged switches for ports and throw it on a pfsense box
02:15 < gnupluslinux> hypotheticals get out!
02:15 < urgodfather> if they have a 3 meg connection and all they do is web data, then they get 10/100
02:15 < gnupluslinux> unmanaged switches dont always do vlans tho
02:16 < xamithan> Don't matter,  pass it untagged
02:16 < urgodfather> gnupluslinux really?
02:16 < urgodfather> ive been lucky then
02:16 < xamithan> They so cheap I just make one switch its own vlan
02:16 < genr8_> yes
02:16 < urgodfather> but the tag's will pass through
02:16 < Alderin> vlan by physical separation. Sounds good to me.
02:17 < gnupluslinux> thast just lan then
02:17 < Alderin> Thought I think that kinda kills the 'v' part.
02:17 < urgodfather> thats what i do b/c my company is weary about managed switches
02:17 < xamithan> Not lan if it all goes to the same router(pfsense) ?
02:17 < genr8_> weary why
02:17 < Alderin> Weary about managed switches? Thats...
02:17 < urgodfather> they dont understand vlan concept
02:17 < gnupluslinux> still lan, you're not overlapping ports or anything
02:18 < urgodfather> yep
02:18 < urgodfather> when i started making extra networks and passing those off over to an ap, #mindblown
02:18 < urgodfather> nuff said
02:18 < Alderin> The smarter the switch, the better the network runs. Simple fact. (discounting mismanagement, of course)
02:19 < urgodfather> dummy switch in between btw
02:19 < gnupluslinux> i've had more managed switches die than unmanaged ones
02:19 < gnupluslinux> i wouldnt throw all unmanaged into prod tho
02:19 < urgodfather> thats how they role, all unmanaged
02:20 < xamithan> Small offices only have one vlan
02:20 < urgodfather> i push and push and push
02:20 < urgodfather> they dont understand it, but they understand this port on the firewall is this network and then i plug this dummy switch to it and everything on that
02:26 < Alderin> I think I'm going to go home and uncork a bottle of mead.
02:27 < Alderin> Leave this auto-configuration server project for tomorrow... before I waste all my spare time on it tonight.
02:27 < sadbox> Alderin: real question
02:27 < sadbox> do you like mead?
02:28 < sadbox> Every one I've tried has tasted -bad-
02:29 < gnupluslinux> mead's weird to me
02:29 < gnupluslinux> "here's some honey, shit'll keep forever. let's ferment/rot it and drink what comes out!"
02:29 < gnupluslinux> throw rot in there cause i always figured that's how we got first wines/beers
02:29 < Alderin> sadbox: Mead is the only alcohol I can drink. Many that I've tried have been super sweet, a few have been, well, icky. But what I've made I like.
02:30 < sadbox> Alderin: Why can't you drink anything else?
02:30 < urgodfather> Alderin no corn whiskey?
02:30 < Alderin> sadbox: I call it a quirk of biology. Everything else gives me a headache at the same time I get a buzz.
02:30 < Alderin> Everything. Else.
02:30 < sadbox> weird af
02:31 < Alderin> Yup.
02:31 < joelazot> hey guys
02:31 < stairmast0r> Alderin: mead is the shit
02:31 < Alderin> I joined the Marines out of high school, so you know I had a wide and varied experience with alcohol. :)
02:31 < stairmast0r> i have a cyser brewing under my desk
02:32 < gnupluslinux> did you just drink shit alcohol?
02:32 < gnupluslinux> marines arent known for being picky with their alcohol ;)
02:32 < Alderin> I had a cyser go to 17%, and just tasted like apple juice at first. After aging, it got to tasting like a caramel apple. Good stuff.
02:33 < stairmast0r> cool, this one has a cinnamon stick in it so hopefully it'll age into something really nice
02:33 < stairmast0r> amazing how few people know what mead even is
02:33 < joelazot> Can't wait to get home and configure my VPS and drink some bourban and cola
02:33 < joelazot> just wanna get home from school
02:33 < Alderin> gnupluslinux: As a group Marines aren't picky, but many individuals are, and they bring what they like and share.
02:34 < gnupluslinux> fair nuf
02:35 < Alderin> stairmast0r: Yeah, I spent so many weekends explaining mead to wine tasters.
02:36 < gnupluslinux> "it's alcohol derived from honey"
02:37 < Alderin> stairmast0r: Cinnamon seems to be a great flavor stretcher, the result doesn't go "flat" as fast after opening a bottle.
02:37 < gnupluslinux> im still searching for this one plum wine i had in japan, shit was tasty
02:37 < stairmast0r> gnupluslinux: got a mitsuwa near you by chance?
02:37 < gnupluslinux> yeah, i've checked there
02:38 < xamithan> I love some rice sake but that stuff doesn't keep very well
02:39 < Alderin> I have a metheglyn I call "Winter Celebration" that's all the winter spices, cinnamon, nutmeg, allspice, vanilla. Multiple people called it "Christmas in a cup".
02:39 < stairmast0r> oooh that sounds nice
02:39 < gnupluslinux> got it from a kaiseki place
02:40 < gnupluslinux> yeah stuff doesnt keep at all
02:41 < Alderin> We served it warmed up with a little extra honey and orange juice on cold days at the winery. Also the same when someone gets a cold at my house.
02:42 < Alderin> Mead in commercial amounts was... interesting. 200 pounds of honey for a barrel (60 gallons) of mead.
02:43 < gnupluslinux> why you gotta switch from weight to volume like that :(
02:44 < Alderin> gnupluslinux: honestly, that bothered me too for a good while. Trouble is, honey is sold by the pound, but drinks are measured in volume.
02:45 < Alderin> 200 pounds is 15 gallons of honey, roughly.
02:45 < gnupluslinux> yeah i get it and makes sense but man that always bothered me about buying and sellin
02:46 < gnupluslinux> you sellin the mead you make?
02:46 < gnupluslinux> or just stockpiling cause you go through that much
02:46 < Alderin> I was until my parents closed the winery. :(
02:46 < gnupluslinux> :(
02:46 < Alderin> Outsold the wine on a couple of months, too.
02:47 < gnupluslinux> ha
02:47 < gnupluslinux> good number of wineries driving up cali coast. sometimes i do wonder the profit margins on em
02:47 < catbeard> metric system users: scientists, europeans, drug dealers
02:48 < gnupluslinux> things that look weird if you're really good at it: converting imperial to metric
02:48 < rpifan> back
02:48 < stairmast0r> gnupluslinux: you should see long island too
02:48 < gnupluslinux> stairmast0r, yeah?
02:48 < stairmast0r> once you get halfway out there's a vineyard every mile it seems
02:48 < gnupluslinux> long island as in NY?
02:48 < catbeard> stairmast0r: ever make it as far up as Montauk?
02:49 < stairmast0r> catbeard: no :( i want to though
02:49 < catbeard> lmk
02:49 < gnupluslinux> didn't figure NY had the climate for grapes
02:49 < Alderin> Our numbers for wine worked out to about $7 cost per bottle. Larger wineries likely have scale advantages. Then look at the price per bottle, ours were $20 to $55, so margins can be great!
02:49 < stairmast0r> went like 2/3 down the north fork to get a water softener from craigslist lol
02:50 < stairmast0r> fork: house: why would you people choose these names
02:50 < Alderin> But, then figure in that most wines have to be aged for at least a year, some up to three, before they are ready to sell. You spent that $7 per bottle three years ago to sell that bottle today.
02:50 < gnupluslinux> was gonna say, how's opex figure into keeping vineyards runnin and wine stored
02:51 < Alderin> ...and IT vendors complain about 90 day net pay structures. :)
02:51 < gnupluslinux> cheese probably similar i bet
02:51 < Alderin> As the saying goes: Wine is what made patience a virtue.
02:54 < Alderin> Mead costs about the same as wine, for recipes that have wine-like alcohol content. Good honey costs similar to good grapes if purchased from a third party.
02:55 < silentfury-s4pro> what's the only thing that goes well with mead?
02:55 < genr8_> honey
02:55 < silentfury-s4pro> WENCHES!
02:55 < silentfury-s4pro> :D
02:55 < Alderin> Wenches!
02:55 < Alderin> lol
02:55 < silentfury-s4pro> ^5
02:56 < silentfury-s4pro> it's that time of the year again where we offer sacrifices to the GabeN
02:56 < Alderin> Seriously though, any honey-glazed meats, or meats that /could/ be honey glazed. Almost all of that healthy stuff goes down better with mead, salads, broccoli...
02:56 < technonerd> I'm am not ready
02:57  * technonerd hides wallet
02:57  * Alderin hides wenches
02:58 <@JollyRgrs> Alderin: no need for shame
02:58 < joelazot> Idk if i know enough networking but I don't want to learn it right now cause i want to do more linux stuff y'know
02:59 < gnupluslinux> so do that?
03:00 < silentfury-s4pro> i find networking a lot like linux stuff
03:00 < silentfury-s4pro> it's all cli based
03:00  * Alderin waves as he heads to where the mead is.
03:03 < joelazot> yeah but idk if its the right decision
03:03 < silentfury-s4pro> dont have to be one or the other
03:04 < silentfury-s4pro> there's a lot of benefits to being versatile
03:04 < rpifan> hello furry si
03:04 < rpifan> silentfury-s4pro,
03:04 < silentfury-s4pro> am not furry
03:05 < rpifan> why not
03:05 < silentfury-s4pro> because not
03:05 < urgodfather> anyone use unifi?
03:05 < rpifan> sad
03:05 < gnupluslinux> good number in here do
03:06 < joelazot> silentfury-s4pro: I agree but its like which one i do now
03:06 < joelazot> xd
03:06 < joelazot> im just a retarded 15 year old
03:06 < silentfury-s4pro> 15? jeesh
03:06 <+MillerBOSS> urgodfather 👉 I am pretty sure the people that use UniFi are the people that use UniFi.
03:06 < joelazot> ye
03:06 <@JollyRgrs> lots of us do
03:06 <@JollyRgrs> i use it at home
03:06 <@JollyRgrs> others use it at work
03:06 < silentfury-s4pro> why are you here? you have plenty of time to enjoy life being you become old and jaded like the rest of us
03:06 < urgodfather> what do yall do for user management? access to the controller not radius to wifi
03:06 < gnupluslinux> he's a baaaaby
03:07 < rpifan> joelazot, r u cute tho
03:07 <@JollyRgrs> urgodfather: i run controller in a VM
03:07 < xamithan> He wants to get a headstart at being a alcoholic
03:07 <@JollyRgrs> cloudkey is just as good i guess?
03:07 < gnupluslinux> but yeah that's a long time you got to decide if you dont gotta work right the hell now
03:07 < joelazot> rpifan: depends on how you look at it
03:08 < rpifan> what u mena
03:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> ayyy
03:08 < urgodfather> @JollyRgrs thats what im talking about... adding users to the controller though
03:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> I swapped to Debian
03:08 < rpifan> yes
03:08 < rpifan> debian is god
03:08 < urgodfather> how do you manage that
03:08 < urgodfather> if any
03:08 < urgodfather> besides whats given
03:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> not sure if I'm a fan of Debian desktop...
03:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> GNOME might be better
03:08 < joelazot> if you squint at me then i'm probably a 7/10 but if you don't i'm like a 4/10
03:08 <@JollyRgrs> urgodfather: oh, adding users?
03:08 < urgodfather> yes
03:09 <@JollyRgrs> i just use wpa2
03:09 <@JollyRgrs> i don't have "users" cept root
03:09 < xamithan> what De you using mcdonalds ?
03:09 < xamithan> xfce is pretty snappy on deb
03:09 < urgodfather> no, i mean user accounts to the controller so they can adopt/manage sites
03:09 < genr8_> joelazot: theres still time for your face to literally change enough that you look way better by the time you're 23 or so
03:09 < joelazot> genr8: yeah
03:09 < silentfury-s4pro> and the IT landscape
03:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> xamithan: the default Debian one
03:09 < joelazot> anyway
03:09 < joelazot> i gotta go to assembly
03:10 < genr8_> i know i looked like shit when i was 15, good at 23, now 33 i'm back to shit.
03:10 < xamithan> so XFCE ?
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> xamithan: I hate to admit it but I'd like to find one similar to Windows LOL
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> fuck if I know
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> my only linux experience is CentOS 7
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
03:10 < xamithan> Whats that one elementary uses,  pantheon ?
03:10 < derpingit> lol.. nice nick
03:10 < xamithan> It is more windows like
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> maybe I should jsut get used to it
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> and quit being a pussy
03:11 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
03:11 < xamithan> Well there is lots of goodies for it you need
03:11 < genr8_> desktop use doesnt help anyone. just get a linux box that you can SSH into and run linux crap
03:11 < xamithan> https://goodies.xfce.org/
03:11 < xamithan> My favorite is whiskermenu,  some battery app,  few themes
03:11 < derpingit> later.. alls..
03:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> genr8_: I run this IRC from a vm :P
03:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> but I want a desktop env for my daily use
03:13 < xamithan> Oh wait pantheon is the manos desktop, haha
03:13 < xamithan> *macos
03:13 < McDonaldsWiFi> afk
03:15 < xamithan> zorin was the one I was thinking of.  it uses gnome but with a custom theme
03:21  * MillerBOSS is listening to DJ Irene - Perculator - Cajmere from the album L.A.'s Underground House Mix Vol.2 on Spotify.
03:21 < Casteil> woo
03:22 <+MillerBOSS> Its time for the Perculator
03:22 < Casteil> I'm pretty sure Ecobee finally nixed their ~1hr session timeout despite having "Remember me" checked when you log in
03:22 < MikeSpears> yum, just made quesadilla
03:22 < MikeSpears> made a*
03:22 < Casteil> pretty annoying to hit a login screen every time you want to check or adjust your thermostat
03:23 < MikeSpears> Casteil: use your phone?
03:23 < Casteil> MikeSpears: I just said they seem to have stopped that
03:24 < rogers> anyone have a home depot or lowes coupon code? my wsher shit the bed ffs
03:24 <@JollyRgrs> nope
03:25 <@JollyRgrs> not off hand
03:25 <@JollyRgrs> tried googling for one?
03:25 < rogers> yeah no go
03:25 < Casteil> rogers: there's a lowes coupon code generator
03:25 < rogers> Ohh?
03:25 < Casteil> http://mmerson.com/
03:25 <@JollyRgrs> also don't forget to check bestbuy
03:25 <@JollyRgrs> sometimes they have decent sales
03:25 <@JollyRgrs> i get my stuff sometimes from sears outlet
03:26 < Casteil> sears? those still exist? >.>
03:26 < MikeSpears> rogers: go on craigslist
03:26 < MikeSpears> lol
03:26 < Casteil> they closed the 2 nearby ones, the only one left in the area is like 45 minutes away
03:26 <@JollyRgrs> Casteil: lol i dunno
03:26 <@JollyRgrs> the outlet used to
03:26 < MikeSpears> Casteil: yea
03:26 < xamithan> Casteil,  there is a ROSES at the beach still
03:26 < MikeSpears> there's one not far from me
03:26 < xamithan> I thought they closed all them down in like 1992
03:26 < Casteil> kmart nearby just closed up last year too
03:27 < rogers> generator worked! thanks Casteil
03:28 < Casteil> :thumbsup:
03:28 < Casteil> welp I think Imma fry up some eggs for a quick dinner
03:38 < sideup66> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/8svd7v/an_oldie_but_a_goodie/
03:39 < xamithan> is SIEM work boring?
03:39 < sideup66> lol
03:40 < xamithan> Someone has a job opening but it doesn't sound interesting
03:40 < nohusuro> https://www.ovh.com.au/vps/#ssd-discover
03:40 < nohusuro> $3 australian VPS, not bad
03:40 < nohusuro> Nostalg14c: togenshi
03:42 < togenshi> nice, getting an australian vps historically has been stupidly expensive
03:43 < MikeSpears> https://www.christianwebhost.com/ lmao
03:48 < Casteil> I bet an athiest runs it
03:49 < silentfury-s4pro> i'd laugh if a muslim did
03:51 < enix> I thought the pope provided that
03:52 < Casteil> popehost.com
03:52 < enix> vatican.. whatever... I thought they would be the ones to provide christian webhosting
03:55 < enix> lol... '9+"1" == 91' but '91-"1"  == 90'
04:00 < ekaj_> scrub
04:06 < enix> Cant pick a distro
04:06 < enix> sendhelp
04:08 <@JollyRgrs> enix: then jsut run win10
04:08 <@JollyRgrs> you can install suse, ubuntu, kali, debian
04:08 <@JollyRgrs> all at once
04:09 < misspwn_> install zenwalk!
04:10 < MikeSpears> misspwn_: I escaped spectrum
04:10 < MikeSpears> lol
04:11 < misspwn_> rip your billz
04:11 < MikeSpears> only problem now, is that my new job is a contract position
04:11 < MikeSpears> lol
04:11 < misspwn_> is it contract to hire?
04:12 < MikeSpears> nah
04:13 < misspwn_> well, just apply for jobs the whole time :)
04:13 < MikeSpears> I figure, it allows me to look, and worst case if I don't have something by the end of the contract, I can collect unemployment between contracts
04:13 < MikeSpears> that's the plan tbh
04:13 < MikeSpears> I had to get out of spectrum
04:14 < misspwn_> it'll never be spectrum to me, it was just soul sucking
04:14 < MikeSpears> heh
04:14 < Casteil> welp
04:14 < misspwn_> underpaid, over worked,
04:14 < MikeSpears> I had pretty bad headaches when I worked there
04:15 < MikeSpears> and it wasn't from the customers
04:15 < Casteil> I'll be very surprised if that super random dinner doesn't end in gastrointestinal disaster
04:15 < MikeSpears> I quit, and all my issues went away
04:15 < MikeSpears> within a few days
04:15 < MikeSpears> haven't had a major headache in almost 2 weeks
04:15 < MikeSpears> :D
04:15 < misspwn_> yeah all mine went away within a few days. i hated having to come home and just unload all the bullshit. felt so bad
04:15 < Casteil> honeymoon phase
04:16 < Casteil> it takes a while before stress starts hitting at a new jbo
04:16 < Casteil> :X
04:16 < MikeSpears> nah, it was something in the building causing mine
04:16 < Casteil> though it's entirely possible that it'll never be as bad as it was before
04:16 < MikeSpears> I don't really get headaches from stress luckily
04:16 < misspwn_> Casteil, that's a place where you either climb to the top or you burn out and get ulcers from stress and toxicity
04:17 <@Nostalg14c> Morning.
04:17 < misspwn_> Casteil, what did you throw together in the chopped kitchen?
04:17 < Casteil> well
04:18 < Casteil> my dinner consisted of a left hand milk stout, a breakfast sandwich (toast+cheese+eggs), had some BBQ chips and finished with a granola bar
04:18 < Church-> Nom
04:18 < Casteil> I have a sneaking suspicion that won't mix well
04:19 < enix> Nostalg14c: morning!
04:19 <+MillerBOSS> Night!
04:19 < misspwn_> nawww that'll be fine, unless you have intestinal issues often
04:19 < enix> JollyRgrs: I have a love-hate relationship with win10 however I really want a tiliing wm like i3
04:19 < enix> well... not like i3. Exactly i3.
04:19 < Casteil> well
04:19 < Casteil> last night didn't sit well, but that might've been the milk
04:20 < nohusuro> Nostalg14c: see the $3 sydney based VPS from OVH?
04:20 < Casteil> I find as I get older my body seems to be less accepting of milk lol
04:20 < MikeSpears> well I'm off to bed
04:20 < enix> night MikeSpears
04:20 <@Nostalg14c> nohusuro: lord nope
04:20 < nohusuro> https://www.ovh.com.au/vps/#ssd-discover
04:21 <@Nostalg14c> hm
04:21 <@Nostalg14c> interesting.
04:21 < nohusuro> perrrrdy cheap
04:22 < misspwn_> well you can have your milk and stay at your house, we don't want yer kind here!
04:22 < misspwn_> nn MikeSpears
04:22 <@Nostalg14c> I'm a DO fanboy though.
04:23 < enix> Hey... me too!
04:24 < enix> There's something about being able to email them like "yo i'm broke af can you please hook a brother up" and them being like "Yeah nws man pay whenever"
04:24 < enix> It's magical
04:24 < enix> I once got two months free because I misconfigured my ssh key
04:32 < redhat> hi
04:32 < rpifan> hi
04:32 <@Nostalg14c> enix: lol wtf
04:34 < enix> Nostalg14c: I just messaged them saying I couldn't log into a new droplet and they're like 'sorry about that. we dont have access but to say sorry we've given you credit'
04:34 < enix> im like '....coooooolll...'
04:34 <@Nostalg14c> Thats what happens when you're on that VC money.
04:34 <@Nostalg14c> Dont give a fuck its alll just magical internet money anyway
04:35 < redhat> vc money.. what provider?
04:35 <@Nostalg14c> provider?
04:35 < enix> I just got potato gems
04:35 < enix> and omg they are freessshhhh
04:35  * redhat shrugs
04:35 < rpifan> redhat, i have a redhat redhat
04:35 <@Nostalg14c> my internet fucking sucks today
04:36 < enix> That's the bitter sweetness to going to the diner right when a shows about to finish; the fresh food is there for the patrons but you have to navigate 100 people scattered everywhere
04:38 < enix> redhat
04:38 < enix> oops
04:38 < enix> ignore that
04:38 < redhat> lol
04:40 < enix> holy shit im so happy now after those potato gems
04:40 < enix> wowweeee i want more
04:41 < enix> like an endless supply <3_<3
04:41 < xe0n> at work?
04:41 < xe0n> lol
04:41 < xe0n> ohh yeah at the canteens and shit
04:41 < xe0n> lol
04:41 < enix> yeah they do a big batch right when the croc show is ending
04:41 < enix> I have to add a new disk to a raid group on a synology and i cant find any info on what the process is if i do :(
04:42 <@Nostalg14c> Sonovabitch
04:42 <@Nostalg14c> sccm capture media sysprep fails instantly, but works fine by commandline.
04:42 <@Nostalg14c> what do
04:42 < redhat> is potato gem codeword for something
04:42 < redhat> like cocaine
04:43 < enix> redhat: It might as well be cocaine
04:43 < xe0n> redhat: tots
04:43 < enix> http://i.imgur.com/eBL5w.jpg
04:43 < xe0n> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7B00dCAal4
04:47 < genr8_> enix: you mean like.... documentation process for the company? Just do it and report what you did.
04:49 < enix> genr8_: No i mean from the manufacturer
04:49 < enix> Just want to be sure I"m not going to fuck anything up
04:49 < genr8_> https://www.synology.com/en-global/knowledgebase/DSM/help/DSM/StorageManager/storage_pool_expand_add_disk
04:50 < genr8_> its fairly straightforward
04:52 < enix> yeah but i didnt know if it needed to rebuild something
04:52 < enix> eh i'll just click apply
04:52 < enix> lol
04:52 <@cryptic1> felda is now playing pretty girls panic
04:52 <@cryptic1> busted
04:53 < enix> It's not like it's currently being used, plus we have backups.
04:53 < genr8_> is it a synology hybrid raid ?
04:53 < rpifan> felda lol
04:53 < genr8_> SHR
04:53 < genr8_> it should be instant for that
04:53 < genr8_> maybe mirror some stuff in the background if it wants
04:53 < enix> Not sure; how could I tell
04:54 < genr8_> should say RAID type somewhere on main status page
04:54 < enix> Oh just RAID 6 with data protection
04:54 < genr8_> its gonna rebuild for sure then
04:55 < genr8_> nows a good time to do it at night
04:56 < enix> I'ts 1pm here lol
04:56 < rpifan> 1pm
04:56 < rpifan> impossible
04:56 < rpifan> its 11pm
04:56 < rpifan> u lie
04:58 < enix> rpifan: it's 1pm in penal land
05:00 < rpifan> aus land?
05:00 < nohusuro> 11am if you're on the west coast
05:00 < genr8_> so west coast AU is +12h from east coast US ?
05:01 < nohusuro> I guess so
05:01 < genr8_> Perth ?
05:01 < nohusuro> yah
05:01 < genr8_> i think yea
05:01 <@cryptic1> rpifan, make sure to ask felda about that game tomorrow
05:02 < enix> rpifan: yar
05:02 < rpifan> i meet a boy from perth
05:02 < rpifan> very cute
05:02 < rpifan> my age but cute
05:03 < rpifan> is it true then that most of the austrlias founders were convicts
05:03 < enix> huh? West Coast is 2-3 hours behind depending on Daylight Savings
05:03 < genr8_> thats why he said penal
05:03 < enix> rpifan: Depends what side of politics you want to sit on
05:03 < genr8_> penal colony
05:03 < rpifan> what u mean?
05:05 < enix> I just had to double check
05:05 < enix> So indigenous people have been here since africa
05:06 < enix> >Apparently< they came here after people apparently started exploring outside of africa, I should say.
05:08 < enix> So technically they're the founders. Bunch of different cultures have visited, setting up camp and what have you then moving on. It wasn't until the british had an issue with prisons being really full, so they were like "well there's this place down here that's a barren wasteland with noone living there... let's shove all the settlers there"
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> gr so annoying, the firewall here blocks POSTs to wordpress
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> so you'll write an entire fucking blog post
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> hit draft/publish
05:08 < enix> So they did just that then fucked off to the gentlemans club for some tea and scones while a bunch of convicts got shipped out to terra australis
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> and it errors
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> lose everything
05:08 <@Nostalg14c> kms
05:09 < enix> Alright Barny Nostalg14c
05:10 < genr8_> losing stuff in POST forms is infuriating
05:10 <@Nostalg14c> There should be a chrome addon to auto save that shit aye.
05:10 < genr8_> i was just thinking that
05:10 <@Nostalg14c> Sometimes you do get it when you hit back.
05:10 <@Nostalg14c> Not often enough.
05:10 < enix> So then flashing over god knows how long of history; white peeps dump their prisoners, bunch of brits sit around drinking tea whilst 'managing' the prisoners. Crackers kill blackies. Blackies kill crackers. Prisoners revolt and shit and all these dickheads start making babies during it all
05:10 < genr8_> yep
05:11 < enix> Governments start to form from the spawn of prisoners and officers, bunch more idiots get shipped over in boats
05:11 < enix> We go to war with the Emus
05:11 < genr8_> one time i was doing a job application and I was writing and writing and telling a very delicate personal story, and I was like almost done just re-reading my work.... and it was like "Sorry you have been signed out after 1 hour for inactivity"
05:11 < enix> Although I'm convinced it was Cassowaries running some covert op
05:12 < genr8_> meanwhile i was typing in the form for an hour
05:12 < enix> Next thing you know shits settling down, things are going alright, towns and cities are forming and we're doing pretty alright.
05:14 < enix> Any who
05:14 < enix> Running arch as my OS at work seems risky
05:15 < rpifan> i heard
05:15 < rpifan> yall lost that war
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> Indeed.
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> Christ, finally capturing this filthy image.
05:16 <@Nostalg14c> Thanks non-descript errors and looping sequences with no logs.
05:23 < enix> rpifan: the emus? yeah they were dark times
05:26 < rpifan> like its a for real thing
05:27 < enix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
05:30 < Casteil> enix: lol.. that never gets old
05:33 < Casteil> "Instead, the bounty system that had been instigated in 1923 was continued, and this proved to be effective: 57,034 bounties were claimed over a six-month period in 1934" <Duh
05:33 < Casteil> it's like they got some fancy automatic guns and thought it'd be the end of all their problems
05:34 < Casteil> TIL something fairly impressive
05:35 < Casteil> the Browning M2 machine gun has been used by the US military for nearly 90 years
05:35 < enix> Best play list ever: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWUZ5bk6qqDSy?si=ztMfx15MRqiLoJxxWQH4Bg
05:35 < rpifan> the BAR
05:35 < rpifan> enix, did ur family kill emos too
05:35 < enix> That IS impressive actually
05:36 < enix> BUt I mean... Windows XP is getting up there with it
05:36 < enix> Especially with our government
05:36 < enix> rpifan: most likely lol
05:36 < Casteil> Browning was a firearm genius
05:37 < Casteil> one heck of a legacy to create *the* two top guns in terms of years of service
05:37 < rpifan> lool
05:38 < Casteil> more than 100 years old the 1911 is still one of the most popular guns out there
05:39 < Casteil> I think it'd be pretty neat to own a 100 year old 1911
05:41 < enix> Casteil: if you did, you could tell everyone unwilling to listen about how it's better than most modern glocks
05:41 < Casteil> I definitely wouldn't say it's *better*
05:42 < Casteil> though call me in 80+ years when the first glocks start surpassing 100 years old and see if they still work
05:42 < Casteil> ~65 years rather
05:43 < rpifan> i like the automat 47
05:43 < Casteil> I'm really not a big fan of glocks, but there's no denying that they're rugged and relaible
05:43 < Casteil> if not a bit crude; not unlike the AK-47
05:44 < enix> oh shit Casteil you're american aren't you
05:44 < Casteil> yes? lol
05:45 < enix> Ah crap... sorry guys; should have known better than to bring up firearms with an american
05:45 < Casteil> MURRIGA
05:46  * Casteil goes back to drinkin beer and cleanin guns
05:46 < enix> Guys can I ask a serious question though
05:46 < enix> esxi; you know vCenter, the thing to control all your esx hosts?
05:46 < enix> Is it still the thing to control them or have they moved on?
05:47 < enix> And what the fuck is vCenter Server
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> SAme thing.
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> vCenter server is just the server you have the vcenter installed on.
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> I think the windows version is being depreciated though.
05:47 <@Nostalg14c> So you'll need to move to the appliance.
05:48 < enix> Is that the thing that opens when I access the esx host via a web browser
05:48 <@Nostalg14c> no
05:48 < enix> Gooooood
05:48 <@Nostalg14c> I think you're confusing vCenter and vSphere?
05:49 < enix> their product naming sucks
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> Eh.
05:52 < kepler> Bd
05:52 < rpifan> i shall cross the atlantic on the QM2
05:52 < rpifan> enix, can i get to austalia from europe on a ship
05:52 < kepler> oops, shifted instead of controled to detach tmux
05:53 < kepler> finally got drivers for gpu on new hades canyon nuc for linux
05:56 < enix> oh i want one
05:57 < enix> Nostalg14c: and they cna fuck off with their buzz words
05:57 < kepler> it is pretty sweet. will supposedly handle up to 6 4k monitors (unless using one of the tbolt3 ports to do an egpu!)
06:01 < rpifan> nuc meh
06:02 < enix> I might consider it
06:03 < enix> Seems like it would do what I want except maybe store large amounts of data and use that data for video processing
06:03 < enix> Nostalg14c: I'm extremely out of touch :(
06:03 < enix> I worked out it's been nearly 10 years since I had this much control.
06:03 < enix> So ESXi is the O/S, vSphere is the 'hypervisor' and vCenter is the client?
06:03 < rpifan> enix, so u actually work with emus then
06:04 < enix> rpifan: I dont think we have emus but we do have cassowaries
06:04 < enix> which are like... angry emus
06:10 < rpifan> but emos are more sad then angry
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> enix: what buzzwords do they use?
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> enix: no
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> ESXi is the hypervisor.
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> vSphere is the client to connect to HV to manage it
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> vCenter is used to centrally manager a cluster of ESXi servers.
06:12 <@Nostalg14c> maanage*
06:14 < genr8_> vCloud air
06:14 < rpifan> its super interesting how fat ive gotten
06:14 < rpifan> but also how much relative
06:14 < rpifan> muscle mass i have
06:15 <@Nostalg14c> genr8_: ok u win
06:21 < enix> Nostalg14c: thank you
06:21 < enix> thats not a dismissing thnak you, that's a legitimate @thank you you've really helped me@
06:21 < enix> omg why does the uk keyboard even exist
06:21 < nojeffrey> How long would memtest take for a 512GB box?
06:22 <@Nostalg14c> A long time.
06:22 <@Nostalg14c> Probably want it running a couple days.
06:22 < nojeffrey> Good thing I started it on a friday arvo then
06:22 <@Nostalg14c> 100%
06:30 < enix> Nostalg14c: heard of 10mates?
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> Nope.
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> Sounds like a gangbang.
06:30 < enix> unmetered 25/5 nbn for $90
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> I can't get nbn.
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> And thats fucking awful pricing.
06:30 <@Nostalg14c> Jesus.
06:31 < enix> really?
06:31 <@Nostalg14c> yeh..
06:31 < enix> I really dont know who to go for
06:31 < enix> why do i know harbour isp
06:31 <@Nostalg14c> Even iinet have like 50mbit unlimited for $80
06:31 <@Nostalg14c> But i'm not sure either, i hear shit thing sabout all of them
06:32 < enix> yeah me too
06:32 <@Nostalg14c> aussiebroadbanad are supposed to be good, but the more popular they get the shitter they will.
06:32 < enix> plus theres a LOT of work happening in my area
06:32 < enix> pretty much my street is the only one which has access
06:32 < enix> in our entire suburb..
06:32 <@Nostalg14c> Im like the opposite
06:32 <@Nostalg14c> Only street in perth that fucking doesn't.
06:33 < enix> iinet "78.5Mbps" is 100/mo
06:33 < enix> Why the fuck dont they publish their up
06:33 <@Nostalg14c> thats the 100/40 plan.
06:34 < enix> oh fuck off
06:34 < enix> planned availability for this address is jul 2018
06:34 < enix> i need now lol
06:34 <@Nostalg14c> ..
06:34 <@Nostalg14c> fk u
06:34 < enix> fttc aint shit at least
06:36 < enix> Should I even bother with a home phone
06:37 <@Nostalg14c> r u high
06:37 <@Nostalg14c> who the fuck has used a home phone in the last 10 years
06:37 < enix> hahaha
06:37 < enix> I answered it once
06:37 < enix> They asked for my grandmother
06:37 <@Nostalg14c> The only upside of getting a landline is your SLA's for internet are way better.
06:37 < enix> I told them she was dead. They never called back.. or so my grandmother told me.
06:38 < enix> wonder if my missus will be pissed if i get 250/100 for $300/mo
06:38 <@Nostalg14c> lol
06:38 <@Nostalg14c> just tell her its the only option!
06:40 < enix> I spoke to a 'fibre' company earlier and the woman asked me if i can see the mountains from where i live
06:40 < enix> I'm like weird question but no, I can see trees
06:40 < enix> shes like "oh, then we wont be able to service you"
06:40 < enix> turns out it was some bloody wireless thing
06:48 < enix> Cool aussiebroadband have nbn to my house apparently. I'll have to call them on monday
07:00 < enix> YAY
07:00 < enix> So the vSphere client doesnt work anymore... fucking fantastic.
07:04 < nohusuro> enix: I've heard aussiebroadband are one of the better ones at the moment
07:05 < enix> I'll cross my fingers for them
07:05 < enix> Apparently it's world giraffe day
07:05 < nohusuro> no succumbing to massive oversubscription practices
07:05 < nohusuro> not*
07:05 < enix> So I'm going to go visit them. I'm owed a smoko anyway
07:05 < enix> Good to know :) brb!
07:07 < nojeffrey> enix I'm with exetel 25/5 ftth 500GB for $59, can't complain
07:08 < nojeffrey> unlimited uploads, free static IP
07:09 < Maarten> Mine is 1/1 for $80 no data cap
07:09 < nojeffrey> 1/1?
07:09 < Maarten> Well... Gbit/s not Mbit/s ;)
07:10 < nojeffrey> no way, you must be outside of AUs
07:10 < Maarten> Yeah I am California.
07:11 < Maarten> 25/5 isn't too bad to be honest for most people.... but that data cap.... hurts.
07:11 < nojeffrey> Never seen a residentual connection above 100/40 in aus
07:11 < nojeffrey> its enough for me for now
07:12 < nohusuro> nojeffrey: you can get 200/200 with skymesh (but their service sucks now)
07:13 < Maarten> Well... I don't pay for cable television so everything is streaming. And Netflix and Amazon are nicely adding 4k stuff now, so I use quite a bit of data these days.
07:15 < nohusuro> https://www.skymesh.net.au/nbn-services/optional-extras/unmetered-uploads/
07:15 < Maarten> Oh, and the World Cup adds quite a bit to my data tally :) Good thing its unlimited
07:17 < Maarten> PFSense's traffic log for yesterday says 123 GB in, 9 GB out.
07:20 < Maarten> enix if you haven't, upgrade to ESXi 6.7.... at least the web client is improved a lot over 6.5
07:27 < television> h
07:38 < tasatir0406> Good morning everyone
07:38 < Maarten> o/
07:45 < enix> nojeffrey: I THINK my cousin has 1/1 at his house, but that's VERY expensive and it's only because of his industry
07:46 < enix> I could be mistaken though and thinking 100/100
07:50 < enix> Maarten: I'm not sure what esxi we're on juuuust yet
07:50 < enix> But we have to load in drivers for our raid controllers so a bit scared to upgrade just now
07:53 <+ihre> cyka blyat
07:55 < enix> how the fuck do car rental places offer wifi
07:55 <+ihre> ... in the car ?
07:55 <+ihre> iirc you're able to rent a car in japan with a dedicated 3 or 4g modem/router with unlimited ata
07:56 < enix> that's probably what they're doing here
07:56 <+ihre> https://www.peplink.com/products/max-industrial-4g-router/
07:56 <+ihre> with something like that i guess
07:57 < enix> They probably needed it for GPS tracking and were like "oh let's recover some costs by selling access"
07:57 < plop> morning administrators and administratettes
07:58 <+ihre> im a bot
07:58 < enix> good afternoon the sound my turd makes
07:58 < enix> I AM NOT A ROBOT
07:58 < plop> love r/totallynotrobots
07:58 < enix> haha
07:58 <+ihre> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b4ZZQkcNEo
07:58 < enix> get this; car rental is $28/day
07:58 < enix> Insurance is $30/day
07:58 < enix> um
07:58 < enix> I thought it was $2/day extra for insurance
07:59 < enix> Last car rental insurance didn't cover fucking cracked windscreens
07:59 < plop> enix, we have this thing here where you can rent a car for arround60-70€ a month
07:59 < enix> So lost deposit anyway
07:59 < enix> thats really cheap
08:00 < plop> yeah. really small car like fiat 500 or toyota aygo, you never know which one you're gonna get.
08:00 < plop> but its cheaper than buy a car
08:00 < corn266> My boss texted me an hour ago saying our web service is down
08:00 < enix> fiat 500 is an exotic in this country hahaha
08:00 < corn266> It's 2AM
08:00 < plop> hehe
08:00 < enix> Do you host porn?
08:00 < enix> And do you not have redundant web servers...?
08:00 < plop> corn266, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRGljemfwUE
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> Is it home time yet.
08:01 <+ihre> Yes
08:01 < enix> Nostalg14c: it actually is fo rme
08:01 < enix> no idea why im still at work
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> new starter
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> classic staying late
08:01 <+ihre> omg plop
08:01 <+ihre> best halo map ever
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> gulch?
08:01 <+ihre> i mustve spent at least 600h there
08:01 < enix> yeah but like... if i stay back I can see all the animals. If I go home, I'll probably just work anyway except without any animals
08:01 < plop> ihre, that video is awesome haha
08:01 <+ihre> haha yeah
08:01 < enix> unless you consider the names children
08:01 < enix> Kids make so much noise all throughout the night..
08:02 <+ihre> enix: https://www.amazon.com/Ball-Gag-Black-Silicone-HappyNHealthy/dp/B00VIZAMVI
08:02 <+ihre> HappyNHealthy
08:02 < enix> Should i open that at work..?
08:02 <+ihre> so must be good
08:02 < enix> is it vegan?
08:02 <+ihre> hmm
08:02 <+ihre> YMMV
08:02 <+ihre> its chicken-free
08:03 <+ihre> '#1 Best Sellerin Bondage Gags & Muzzles'
08:03 <+ihre> frequently bought together with premium personal lubricant
08:04 < enix> yeaahhhhh I'm goin ghome now lol
08:04 < enix> see you guys in like 20 minutes
08:06 <@Nostalg14c> o/
08:06 <+ihre> plop: do what you guys did last time, gtfo
08:06 <+ihre> maybe thats not what i meant, okay
08:06 <+ihre> lol
08:06 < plop> haha
08:20 < varesa> such a quiet shift I could almost fall asl... **FIRE ALARM**
08:20 < nojeffrey> If I modify some NS records, a 'dig +trace' should query from the root and ignore caching right?
08:23 < nojeffrey> maybe crazydomains has a delay, why does anyone use this company? Oh you want to add a MX record upgrade to our premium DNS plan for $45 P/A
08:28 <+ihre> https://ns1.com/articles/using-dig-trace -> you can still hit the cache of your recursive resolver
08:28 <+ihre> will*
08:59 < Atro> i dun like whiner colleagues
08:59 < Atro> either u adapt or find another job that will tolerate ur pettiness
09:00 <+ihre> Atro: redirect all his traffic to youareanidiot.org
09:01 < Atro> ihre: jesus this still uses flash
09:01 <+ihre> isnt it great?
09:01 <+ihre> or pwned.nl
09:02 < Atro> no but srsly, last 2 colleagues are at their first job, they don't know worse so they complain
09:02 < Atro> tl;dr : don't hire people at their first jobs and expect them to tolerate warranted shit
09:03 < Atro> >"go do dis probably social and technical difficult but natural thing"
09:03 < Atro> >"YOU CANT TREAT ME LIKE DIS, I DEMAND TASKS WITH NO ISSUES OR DIFFICULTY"
09:04 < Atro> 🙄
09:07 < Der_Fuhrer> Alle Juden gehen zur Hölle
09:08 < Atro> i dont speak nazi
09:10 < Der_Fuhrer> Atro ist ein Jude. ERHALTE DAS JÜDISCHE STÜCK DER SCHEISSE
09:10 < Atro> ICH BIN WACHINMACHIN
09:10 < nojeffrey> +ihre Hmm, not sure I agree, it finally worked after 20 minutes, crazydomains must of had some kind of delay
09:10 < Der_Fuhrer> Sie sind ein Idiot
09:28 < taaperotassu> I am trying out what would be the best way to send my encrypted backups from server to my mega.nz account. Megatool was okay but I didnt like the idea of putting plain text passwords on my configs.
09:29 < Atro> lol
09:29 < taaperotassu> Indeed
09:32 <+ihre> https://github.com/matteoserva/MegaFuse + https://github.com/vgough/encfs
09:32 <@Nostalg14c> ugh..
09:36 < jumi> morning
09:39 < genr8_> that MegaFUSE thing looks cool. and encfs
09:40 < enix[h]> asd
09:40 < enix[h]> oh i can talk here... cool
09:40 <@Nostalg14c> I thoguht mega got shutdown.
09:40 < enix[h]> So I just did a speed test at home because I was wondering why everything was taking forever to load
09:40 <@Nostalg14c> (again)
09:40 <@Nostalg14c> Guess not.
09:40 < enix[h]> latency of 600ms with a speed of... wait for it
09:40 < enix[h]> are you guys sitting down?
09:40 < enix[h]> 1/1.
09:41 < enix[h]> Yes. 1Mb down, 1Mb up.
09:41 <@Nostalg14c> You sure something isnt downloading?
09:41 < Atro> tcp throughput is reduced if you have latency\
09:41 <@Nostalg14c> and saturating your link
09:41 <@Nostalg14c> Can almost guarantee it is.
09:41 < Atro> try measuring latency to gw
09:41 < enix[h]> Honeslty if something were, I would be getting 100 emails from Optus telling me so
09:41 <+ihre> genr8_: i used it a lot with amazon cloud drive + encfs for backups, figured it would work the same with mega fuse
09:41 < enix[h]> My metered usage isnt that good
09:42 < enix[h]> to gw?
09:42 < enix[h]> gateway
09:42 < enix[h]> right
09:42 < enix[h]> 1.19ms
09:42 < Atro> hm
09:42 < Atro> what medium u got
09:42 <@Nostalg14c> no
09:42 < Atro> is it wireless?
09:42 < enix[h]> 4g
09:42 < enix[h]> lte
09:42 < Atro> with 4g u have large latency
09:43 < enix[h]> normally not too bad tbh
09:43 <@Nostalg14c> not that bad
09:43 <@Nostalg14c> i game on 4g sometimes
09:43 <@Nostalg14c> like 100ms
09:43 < enix[h]> latency yeah but honeslty I used to switch from my cable to my 4G for streaming
09:43 < enix[h]> Legit i used to get like 40/10 which is why I have this mobile broadband thing
09:44 < togenshi> 4g should have decent latency
09:45 < enix[h]> ahhh fingers crossed when I call aussie broadband on monday that they can help
09:45 < enix[h]> Really wanted to tackle our esxi setup tonight too but i guess i'll have to wait :(
09:45 < togenshi> aussiebb has a discord channel as well
09:45 < togenshi> with staff there
09:45 < enix[h]> lol no way
09:46 < enix[h]> ... is irssi lag in seconds?
09:47 < enix[h]> shit.. this speed is consistent.
09:47 < enix[h]> oh no we're up to 2/4 nearly hitting 5.
09:48 < enix[h]> http://www.speedtest.net/result/7413116892
09:48 < enix[h]> Fuck this im off to play ps4 for a bit. laters sluts
09:48 < vader-> any of you guys have experience in hard drive recovery on a drive with a shot PCB?
09:49 < togenshi> vader-: its doable if you have a donor board
09:49 <+ihre> i've tried swapping the pcb of a dead drive, replaced the SPI chip as well
09:49 <+ihre> didnt work ...
09:49 < vader-> ya i tried looking for one but i don't really know what im doing
09:49 <+ihre> maybe it was already shot to hell before trying, no idea how to verify that
09:50 < vader-> ya i found a box of old hard drives
09:50 < vader-> and im going through them
09:50 < vader-> this one has a burn mark on an IC chip and the drive won't spin up when powered
09:50 < vader-> so not sure what state it is in
09:50 < vader-> but i also don't want to invest a ton of money in it
09:50 <+ihre> b r i c k state
09:50 < vader-> some dudes wanted like $100 for a PCB
09:50 < vader-> hehe
09:50 < vader-> this is a 15GB hard drive
09:52 < vader-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/jNSA5cjC/20180622_035136.jpg
09:52 < vader-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mE7Cvpl4/20180622_035151.jpg
09:53 < plop> shit. they're gonna sit the girl who never shuts up next to me
09:53 < vader-> i don't even really know what part # or fw version i am looking for
10:09 < absolutejam> hey guys
10:09 < absolutejam> we've had a customer who's been sending spam emails from his account before we identified it and disabled his account temporarily
10:09 < absolutejam> Office365 - Forgot to mention
10:10 < absolutejam> Are there any key things to look at to help identify how this happened?
10:10 < Atro> get a chair, water and some rope
10:10 < absolutejam> we're checking email logs, where the sign ins were, his devices, etc.
10:10 < absolutejam> well, we already cut his ear off but he won't walk
10:10 < absolutejam> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
10:10 < Atro> i dont know if you can identify the device from which the mails were sent
10:12 < FenJai> absolutejam, check if one of his devices is compromised. COuld ahve a virus stealing his outlook creds
10:14 < absolutejam> we've already acquired their laptop - which looks like the only device they use besides their iPhone
10:14 < absolutejam> passwords changed
10:14 < absolutejam> suggesting 2FA
10:14 <+ihre> vader-: i bought a pcb from china over ebay for 15$
10:14 <+ihre> their store had a lot of pcbs for different brands, i'll check if i can find the link again
10:15 <+ihre> took a couple of weeks to deliver
10:15 <+ihre> but for the price, it was fine imo
10:15 < FenJai> password changing wont help. You need to disable the account until you can identify and isolate the compromised device
10:15 < hello_kitty> I'm getting Permission denied when attempting to scp a remote file to my local machine, and it seems to be citing the remote file as the source of the denied permission. Is there a way to scp w/ sudo applied remotely?
10:17 <+ihre> dont think so
10:17 < Atro> lol no
10:17 < Atro> just use root
10:17 < hello_kitty> i don't have root, i nuked that sucker :/
10:18 < hello_kitty> i mean i can go connect and turn it back on..
10:18 < hello_kitty> maybe there is a magical ansible thing that can copy the file for me
10:19 <+ihre> well, ansible uses ssh
10:19 <+ihre> or with become, but that uses suo
10:19 <+ihre> sudo
10:19 < ceofreak> Harro friendsssss
10:19 < hello_kitty> im not very good at linux.. isnt there a way, instead of using scp, to like... cat from the remote file to a local file..?
10:20 <+ihre> is it text ?
10:20 < hello_kitty> i think so. are ssl certs text?
10:20 <+ihre> ssh -l user host cat file
10:20 < plop> ssh -luser
10:20 <+ihre> add > to redirect output to a new file
10:21 <+ihre> but if the file doesnt have permission for you to read it
10:21 <+ihre> its still useless :P
10:21 < hello_kitty> im going to see if ansible fetch + become is allowed to read it
10:22 < vader-> ya im in no rush, i haven't touched this drive in 20 years
10:22 < vader-> hehe
10:22 <+ihre> hello_kitty: that sounds like too much work
10:22 <+ihre> ssh -l user host stat file
10:22 <+ihre> to see permissions
10:23 <+ihre> if it doesnt give your user permissions, ie when youre not part of the group and other doesnt have r, you can try whatever you want, but wont have access :P
10:23 < hello_kitty> maybe there's just a fundamentally better approach in general... i need to get a letsencrypt cert from one server to several other severs... every 2 months
10:23 < hello_kitty> and the actual issuing of the cert is manual
10:23 <+ihre> set up rsync with the right permissions in a crontab
10:24 <+ihre> renew the cert in crontab, add a subsequent command to copy the file to other hosts
10:24 < ceofreak> Listen to Ihre
10:24 <+ihre> hehehe
10:24 <+ihre> hru ceofreak
10:24 < ceofreak> Amazing. It's friday, yourself?
10:25 <+ihre> same, trying to debug some weird k8s shit
10:25 <+ihre> not sure whats going on, pods stuck in terminating state for multiple hours :^)
10:25 <+ihre> doesnt seem right to me
10:25 < ceofreak> I'm trying to backup a nextcloud server with borgbackup
10:25 <+ihre> but w/e, nothing really important today, should be a breeze :D
10:25 < ceofreak> from the nextcloud server to the backup server
10:25 < ceofreak> both running ubuntu 16.04
10:26 < ceofreak> It's cool, learned a lot already
10:26 <+ihre> are they just flat files on the host running nextcloud?
10:26 < ceofreak> Still wondering tho if i use rsync over borg
10:26 < ceofreak> yes
10:26 < ceofreak> .tar
10:27 < ceofreak> I zip the files to .tar.gz
10:27 < ceofreak> Then it's only 4 files
10:34 <+ihre> cant find what borg uses for remote backups either, im assuming something like tar over a ssh pipe or something like that, i guess tcpdumping might show some additional info
10:34 <+ihre> although tcpdumping ssh is kind of useless i think, maybe strace
10:35 < ceofreak> is it possible to do incremental backups with rsync?
10:35 < ceofreak> I would like to create a .zip file from all the data and actually just overwrite the existing one
10:36 < ceofreak> that would be enough
10:36 < varesa> ceofreak: --inplace
10:38 < plop> sup ceofreak
10:40 < ceofreak> suppppp ploppson
10:41 < ceofreak> I'm looking for tuning components for my E-Bike :D
10:41 < ceofreak> I don't know what kind of retard, at least here in germany, thought it's a good decision to lock them down to 25km/h
10:41 < ceofreak> I drive faster with a granny bike
10:41 < ceofreak> backwards
10:44 <+ihre> in NL, they limited the speed of ebikes due to the amount of accidents with mostly old people using them
10:57 < varesa> at least in some countries there is also the legal aspect of "motored vehicles"
10:57 < varesa> if they went faster they would be classified the same as mopeds and require insurance/license
10:58 < ceofreak> yeah same here
10:58 < ceofreak> It's because people are stupid and killing themselves
11:00 < varesa> bikes are particularly nasty though as they're pretty much silent
11:01 < ceofreak> It's true
11:02 < ceofreak> But at least should have made them go like 30-32ish
11:02 <+ihre> and, at least at the introduction of those bikes, people didnt really anticipate for them due to their speed, it was unexpected to see a granny on a bike going 40-50kmh :P
11:02 < ceofreak> Even normal cyclists pass you easy with 25kmh
11:02 < ceofreak> I dont even say they should go as fast as they can, hell no people are to retarded for that, but at least a little faster
11:02 < ceofreak> It's the same thing with scooters over here
11:03 < ceofreak> They locked them down at 45km/h
11:03 < ceofreak> 45 FUCKING km/h
11:03 < ceofreak> what sense does that make? If you are allowed to drive them in a zone where 50km/h is allowed
11:03 < ceofreak> you become a obstacle for every car
11:10 < jumi> ceofreak: 45km/h here
11:10 < jumi> as well
11:10 < ceofreak> Its retarded
11:10 < jumi> but everyone mods them and I've seen mopeds going 90+
11:11 < ceofreak> Not in the land of bureaucracy
11:11 < jumi> they swap the cilinder heads from 49cc to 75 or 90cc
11:11 <+ihre> malossi!!
11:11 < jumi> ceofreak: where you at?
11:11 < ceofreak> Germany bro
11:12 < ceofreak> everything is regulated here
11:12 < jumi> oh
11:12 < jumi> well Spain is mostly the same
11:12 < jumi> retarded laws everywhere
11:12 < jumi> if I want to turbo my car, the "project approval" would cost more than the whole kit
11:13 < jumi> let's say, 2000eur for a stage 1/2 plus install, and 3000 in paperwork
11:13 < jumi> makes no fucking sense
11:13 < ceofreak> yeah
11:13 < ceofreak> i know same here
11:13 < vader-> ICQ's support is starting to piss me off hehe
11:13 < jumi> BTW, does anyone here deal with Synology for NFS shares?
11:13 < jumi> I have a problem with a share, cannot change UIDs nor GUIDs
11:14 < jumi> and the "systems" guys have no idea why
11:14 < jumi> "can't be done" is their response
11:17 < ceofreak> Nope sry
11:43 < ceofreak> Ihre?
11:53 <+ihre> sup ceofreak
11:54 < ceofreak> I just tried to mount my backup share via fstab like so: //192.168.1.100/documents /mnt cifs username=smbuser,password=abc123@# 0 0
11:55 < ceofreak> which caused my server going to emergency mode afte reboot, because it probably couldn't mount it
11:55 < ceofreak> any idea?
12:02 <+ihre> try adding defaults,_netdev before username (defaults,_netdev,username=x,password=y)
12:03 <+ihre> or if it is a systemd system, noauto,x-systemd.automount
12:04 < varesa> nofail could be useful as well if you want the system to still boot normally even if the share is actually unavailable
12:06 < ceofreak> thanks! Gonna try
12:11 < monoxane> anyone ever used glusterfs in prod?
12:15 < jumi> ceofreak: why cifs
12:16 < ceofreak> idk
12:16 < ceofreak> Was the recommended way in their documentation
12:21 < plop> i'm going to get mxblue keyb just to annoy the stupid that its going to sit next to me
12:22 < mtnielsen> what I wouldn't give for a 1g internet connection... 13hours to download an image is just...
12:23 < varesa> I've not found much need for a 1G/1G connection over my 100/100 so I've not bothered to upgrade
12:28 <+ihre> monoxane: yeah, at my previous job quite a lot
12:29 < monoxane> how does it handle 100tb+ clusters with saturated gig links?
12:29 < monoxane> that was bad engrish, is it reliable and usable at gigabit speeds with 100tb+ volumes?
12:30 <+ihre> wew, ive never even worked with large sets of data
12:30 < monoxane> media company is fun :P
12:31 <+ihre> i think the max size of the entire cluster didnt pass 2/300g, which it handled nicely
12:31 <+ihre> but i cant comment on 100tb+ :P
12:31 < monoxane> yea cool, might not be the best option from what im reading
12:32 < monoxane> the best option would be something like the insane Dell Storage MD1280 but budget doesnt like that
12:33 < varesa> not exactly production but this seemed like an interesting build: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/8ocjxz/200tb_glusterfs_odroid_hc2_build/
12:34 < varesa> 20x 10TB nodes over gigabit links
12:34 < monoxane> thats where i got the idea from
12:34 < varesa> heh
12:40 < ceofreak> Alright
12:40 < ceofreak> RO
13:00 < ceofreak> what happens if I have a .tar.gz file one Server A and rsync it over to Server B
13:00 < ceofreak> Will it just overwrite the one on server B?
13:00 < ceofreak> same name
13:01 < mtnielsen> is gluster anything like minio?
13:01 < mtnielsen> oho it does smb too
13:02 < varesa> glusterfs is a posix-compliant filesystem
13:02 < varesa> which you can mount through the native protocol or something like NFS, etc.
13:03 < mtnielsen> well this is an issue. now I need to have a gluster system.
13:06 < ceofreak> varesa: If I run this command tar -cpzf /mnt/cifs/backups/nextcloud/NextcloudBackup_FileDir.tar.gz -C /var/www/nextcloud .
13:07 < ceofreak> And run it again afterwards, does it just overwrite the existing file?
13:07 < varesa> I think so but not 100% sure. Just try it?
13:07 < ceofreak> I did, it went through again
13:07 < ceofreak> so I assume it overwrites
13:15 <+CheckYourSix> Isn't there a flag to NOT overwrite? Or just put the date stamp in the file name so it doesn't overwrite
13:15 < ceofreak> I want it to overwrite
13:15 <+CheckYourSix> Oh
13:15 < ceofreak> I'm aware of the date
13:16 <+CheckYourSix> Look at the datestamp on the file then and see if it's newer than your original one. That will confirm whether it overwrote
13:16 < ceofreak> good call
13:17 < ceofreak> jup, did
13:17 <+CheckYourSix> There you go
13:23 < gavit> anyone use itop? I'm trying to figure out why network interfaces ip address exists together with management ip address
13:39 < onicrom> sooooooo huge huge outage in NY4 Equinix site
13:41 < onicrom> pretty much every financial institution, exchange, and isp goes through there
13:41 < onicrom> good times
13:54 < Church-> Heh nice.
13:55 < Church-> onicrom: How long do ya'll think be down for?
14:00 < ceofreak> Guys I'm outta here
14:00 < ceofreak> Have a greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat weekend!
14:00 < Church-> See ya ceofreak
14:00 < asimon> Good morning
14:00 < asimon> and cya
14:11 < FenJai> How do i find out what web server a host is running ?
14:11 < FenJai> I dont see anything familiar in /ete/
14:12 < FenJai> sed/ete/etc
14:16 < vinrock> why dont you query the server headers
14:16 < onicrom> Church-: one set of lines has been down since mid-day yesterday, then a bunch more went down ~8pm last night
14:16 < onicrom> we're being told ~noon
14:17 < Church-> Yeeesh
14:17 < Palmar> FenJai: if you know there is a web server running, netstat -tulpn should give you the process id and possible the name of the process
14:18 < onicrom> luckily we have a rockstar
14:18 < onicrom> and me
14:18 < onicrom> our fiber to chicago was fine so i rerouted things to chicago and then back to NY
14:18 < FenJai> The process id is httpd :/
14:19 < onicrom> and our rockstar got a friend of his to give us isp services in another NJ data center we had fiber to that was working
14:19 < onicrom> so then routed out that and back to NY4
14:24 < rpifan> onicrom, persei 8
14:40 < onicrom> persei?
14:40 < onicrom> not omicron
14:41 < onicrom> ala futurama
14:41 <@Code_Man65> You may rejoice, for Friday has arrived
14:42 < onicrom> thursday is still haunting us
14:43 < vinrock> im gona go to joe's crab shack for lunch and stuff my face
14:44  * Church- is cooking roasted potatoes in bacon fat right now.
14:44  * Church- needed a break from implementing his job queue for a distributed scraper.
14:48 < Nightcinder> Launch by centrifuge company raises piles of money. A stealthy Silicon Valley startup called SpinLaunch says it has raised a total of $40 million from a high-profile array of investors to get a space catapult system ready for launch by 2022, GeekWire reports. The company has been working on an electric-powered kinetic-energy launch system that starts by whipping the vehicle around on a centrifuge, then catapults it
14:48 < Nightcinder> spaceward at hypersonic speeds.
14:49 <@Code_Man65> Sounds vomit inducing
14:50 < McDonaldsWiFi> mornin fellas
14:50 <@Code_Man65> Morning
14:51 < Casteil> sounds like straight up scifi
14:52 < Casteil> though I suppose 10-15 years ago if you asked people if they thought heavy launch vehicles that could land and be re-used.. they'd say the same thing
14:53 < McDonaldsWiFi> any of you fucks from OH?
14:53 < Casteil> 10-15 years ago the PID microcontroller technology that makes that possible barely even existed
14:53 < Casteil> now it's in $10 childrens toys (micro quadcopters)
14:57 < Nightcinder> "The Oppo Find X kills the smartphone notch with a motorized pop-up camera" ummm
14:57 < Nightcinder> McDonaldsWiFi: hi
14:58 < McDonaldsWiFi> herro
14:58 < Nightcinder> i am from NEO
15:00 < Nightcinder> and still here, weirdly
15:01 <@JollyRgrs> hello girks and boks
15:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> raysist
15:02 < vinrock> engrish was so much better before the internet
15:02 <+giant_it_burrit> i gots a question. is there a  best practices for building a domain controller that someone recommends
15:02 < vinrock> i used to love reading the manuals on chinese bootleg electronics
15:02 < Nightcinder> was it
15:03 < vinrock> yeah they got much better translations now
15:03 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: sounds like they don't plan on having any hoomans on board the catapult system
15:03 < Nightcinder> it's still very bad
15:03 < Nightcinder> i don't believe so no
15:03 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, those chinese instructions, definitely still bad and if i didn't know how to put it togther already, i'd be screwed
15:10 < abakedapplepie> Nightcinder: that sounds awful
15:10 < jumi> guys, need some help
15:10 < jumi> for some reason when I mound an NFS share on linux
15:10 < abakedapplepie> motorized camera
15:10 < jumi> two shares appear, mounted to the same folder
15:10 < jumi> any ideas?
15:11 < Nightcinder> if it's got a solenoid it should be fine
15:11 < abakedapplepie> needless mechanics are no good
15:11 < abakedapplepie> its something that will break
15:11 < abakedapplepie> and break often
15:11 < abakedapplepie> and break prematurely
15:11 < abakedapplepie> no two ways about it, that will be the weak point of the phone
15:12 < abakedapplepie> not to mention - how do you handle that with a nice phone case
15:12 < abakedapplepie> does your phone case now have to have a protrusion around the camera or do you leave it open and let dust/water ingress
15:14 < ekaj> `bofh
15:14 < alazare619> so goat was lose this morning
15:14 < alazare619> already running late my fat ass had to chase a goat who did not wana go back in the pen this morning
15:14 < ekaj> my bro's goat is an absolute fatass lol
15:15 < alazare619> *wobble wobble* get over here *wobble wobble* get in your pen *wobble wobble*
15:15 < Tzunamii> Are we still talking about goats here? :)
15:17 <+giant_it_burrit> no, just kidding
15:17 < ekaj> If a machine has been sysprepped previously, is there a way to tell if it needs sysprepped again?
15:18 <@JollyRgrs> ekaj: what do you mean if it needs it again?
15:18 <@JollyRgrs> Tzunamii: i'm reminded of that old Adam Sandler skit about the goat and the old man
15:18 < ekaj> we receive a base image from a sister org that comes sysprepped twice already, then we have to make customizations to it as well.. i didn't know if it would need it again
15:18 < vavkamil> my smartphone is no longer charging :/
15:18 < abakedapplepie> rip
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> ekaj: if you are doing it through DISM, no
15:19 < abakedapplepie> did you turn it off and on again
15:19 < vavkamil> idk if it's bad usb-c cable or bad usb port
15:19 < Tzunamii> I was just curious if it was some weird ass paraphrasing going on...   s/goat/wife/g
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> if you are installing it and then making changes, then want to deploy that.. .yes you must sysprep again
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> Tzunamii: lol
15:19 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: usb-c won't charge?
15:19 < vavkamil> yup
15:20 <@JollyRgrs> so... i assume the connection is still taut?
15:20 < ekaj> JollyRgrs: yes I believe that's what they're doing
15:20 < abakedapplepie> time to start using wireless charging
15:20 < abakedapplepie> lo
15:20 < abakedapplepie> l
15:20 <@JollyRgrs> ekaj: then yup, but generally speaking, why would an image ever be sysprepped more than once?
15:20 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, in your case, you would need to do the 2nd time
15:20 < ekaj> don't ask me broski
15:20 <@JollyRgrs> lol
15:20 <@JollyRgrs> isn't there a reg hack to reset the sysprep count?
15:20 < vavkamil> JollyRgrs, I had problems with charging for about a month now
15:20 < ekaj> i'm just trying to help out a new SA
15:21 < vavkamil> not it won't charge in any position
15:21 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: check to see if usb-c to PC will do data xfer
15:21 < alazare619> ekaj: theres an easy way to increase the sysprep limit
15:21 < alazare619> ekaj: install the image into a VM, make modifications
15:22 < ekaj> the limit isn't the issue, it's the sysprep failing.. i may write a post on r/sysadmin later with details
15:22 < ekaj> I believe it's related to secureboot
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> so I swapped my personal laptop to debian last night
15:22 < vavkamil> I have only one usb-c cable and one usb-c device
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> still a bit of a culture shock, even though I've used linux before
15:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> :o
15:23 < vavkamil> debian is weird for desktop\
15:23 < ekaj> debian desktops actually looked really nice last time i used one
15:24 < vavkamil> it's very simplified
15:27 < vinrock> the pepsi i just got from the machine is flat
15:27 < vinrock> this is pretty nasty
15:27 < ekaj> JollyRgrs: the main reason we needed to resysprep I think is that we have different hardware
15:28 < ekaj> and needed to install image to update some stuff since it's out of date
15:32 < node808> Good morning IRC!
15:32 < ekaj> no
15:32 < asimon> It is a good morning isn't it?
15:32 < node808> eye-aruh-see
15:33 < node808> Its a great morning...I woke up...so thats wonderful
15:34 <+ihre> "read only friday" - just deployed a completely new environment for production
15:34 <+ihre> time for a beer
15:36 < vinrock> node808 maybe this is the afterlife
15:36 < syere> is this real life?
15:37 < syere> or is it just fantasy...
15:38 < node808> caught in a landslide
15:38 < ekaj> reading the bad comments on the reddit thread of 'normalisation of plussize risks: hidden danger of obesity' some of them are funny
15:38 < rpifan> DAE know if unemployment is a state thing or a federal thing. im going back to nyc so idk if i should apply ther
15:38 < vinrock> state
15:39 < node808> ekaj like bbw risks? Because the struggle is real...
15:39 < ekaj> lol
15:39 < vinrock> if you are moving into nys you cant collect unemployment on work performed out of state
15:39 < rpifan> sad
15:39 < alazare619> looks like today i'll be setting up sharepoint for its wiki
15:40 < ekaj> one of the comments says they "saw a store literally call the fat section skinny wide"
15:40 < vinrock> hah
15:41 < vinrock> reddit went to shit after they banned fph
15:41 < ekaj> i remember that
15:41 < node808> whats fph?
15:41 < ekaj> the outrage, not the sub
15:41 < vinrock> /r/fatpeoplehate
15:41 < ebol4> pretty sure it was already shit when fph existed, in at least small part due to fph
15:42 < node808> good ole reddit
15:42 < ekaj> it does have some shit subreddits, but that's part of why it's appealing to a lot of people
15:42 < vinrock> i think its actually when those celeb nudies came out things really started falling apart
15:42 < ebol4> yes bigots love that sense of community
15:42 < node808> lol
15:42 < vinrock> thats pretty much the definition of reddit right now
15:42 < node808> I like a good fattie from time to time
15:42 < node808> some I've loved too
15:43 < vinrock> yeahnothanks
15:43 < node808> no?
15:43 < vinrock> nah
15:43 < node808> certainly not for everyone
15:43 < vinrock> oh ive met a lotta dudes who like big girls
15:43 < vinrock> and vice versa
15:44 < node808> yeah the small women that like tubby men are interesing
15:44 < node808> interesting fetish
15:45 < ekaj> easier to escape if the time comes for that
15:45 < ekaj> unless they;re sitting on you
15:45 < node808> true...plus if you're ever chased by a wild animal or shark...you're all good
15:46 < vinrock> just gotta be faster than the slowest person
15:46 < alazare619> who is using sharepoint 2013 wiki libraries
15:47 < ekaj> aint nobody got time fo books
15:47 <+ihre> "i love me a fat chick - more cushin for the pushin" - redman, how high
15:47 < alazare619> real real high
15:48 < DomLS3> ihre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x67jtMPfdTw
15:48 < Jekotia> I'm setting up a "test bench" PC at my desk so I can experiment with new things without risking system health on an in-use system, or skewing my results by having fuck-up after fuck-up piling on one another over time.I'd like to have an easy, and preferably fast (I'm aware you can't always get both of these traits), way to restore it to the post-activation post-updates good working state. Any
15:48 < Jekotia> particular recommendations?
15:49 < ekaj> just use vmware workstation or virtualbox
15:49 < DomLS3> ^^
15:49 < DomLS3> copy the VHD at the point you want to keep the state
15:49 < DomLS3> then fuck up the original as much as you want
15:49 < DomLS3> when you want to go back... load the copied VHD
15:49 < FenJai_> or snapshot
15:49 < DomLS3> otherwise you can use some kind of cloning software like EaseUs
15:49 < DomLS3> but that takes awhile
15:50 < vinrock> just copy the thing after you got it ready
15:50 < vinrock> click click boom
15:50 < vinrock> done
15:50 < Jekotia> Only problem with virtual is licencing :/ If I use an actual PC, I have a recently decomissioned 7 system I was going to "refresh"
15:50 < vinrock> huh
15:50 < DomLS3> what licensing?
15:50 < DomLS3> lol
15:50 < Jekotia> windows activation
15:50 < DomLS3> hyper-v is free
15:50 < DomLS3> vmware is free
15:50 < vinrock> just call the number theyll activate it in the vm
15:50 < Jekotia> but the OS I install within it?
15:51 < DomLS3> yes
15:51 < DomLS3> hyper-v is 1p+2v
15:51 < abakedapplepie> hyper-v is 1p 2v with an actual license
15:51 < DomLS3> so you activate the virtuals with the physical host product key
15:51 < FenJai_> Dont even need that. windows is activated for 30 days
15:51 < Jekotia> Literally me RN https://www.50-best.com/images/funny_cat_pictures/sideways_head.jpg
15:51 < abakedapplepie> hyper-v server has no license at all
15:51 < abakedapplepie> regardless, you arent using this in production
15:51 < abakedapplepie> dont even worry about licensing
15:51 < DomLS3> ^
15:51 < abakedapplepie> youre allowed to eval for 180 days
15:51 < ekaj> you can also reset the license too for testing
15:51 < abakedapplepie> ^
15:51 < alazare619> anyone using sharepoint 2013 or 2016 in chrome/ff
15:52 < ekaj> alazare619: yes
15:52 < alazare619> how well does it work?
15:52 < ekaj> it works
15:52 < abakedapplepie> hyper-v server 2016 is free and you should learn/know it anyway
15:52 < ekaj> sharepoint's sharepoint but it works
15:52 < abakedapplepie> use that, make some vms, take snapshots
15:52 < abakedapplepie> and revert them
15:52 < Jekotia> DomLS3: Would the 1p+2v apply to a Windows 10 Pro licence?
15:52 < abakedapplepie> no
15:52 < abakedapplepie> 1p + 2v is for server 2012 r2 standard / server 2016 standard
15:52 < Jekotia> Ah
15:52 < abakedapplepie> but
15:53 < abakedapplepie> it doesnt matter
15:53 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:53 < Alternity> sometimes I think i get more work done when im' in a abad mood
15:53 < vinrock> hatefuck that keyboard
15:53 < Jekotia> It's specifically a desktop system I'm working with. I want to be able to test new (to me) deployment tools like PDQ without risking any in-production workstations
15:53 < abakedapplepie> Jekotia: yeah go crazy
15:53 < abakedapplepie> have fun
15:54 < abakedapplepie> i wish i could convince my coworker to get pdq
15:54 < DomLS3> Jekotia: no it's windows server only
15:54 < abakedapplepie> he builds and deploys every workstation by hand
15:54 < DomLS3> but you can eval Windows 10
15:54 < abakedapplepie> and claims he *CANNOT* automate it
15:55 < abakedapplepie> because each system is slightly different
15:55 < abakedapplepie> its not
15:55 < abakedapplepie> and he can
15:55 < abakedapplepie> he just would rather do it the long way so he doesnt have to do other things
15:55 < abakedapplepie> which, i dont blame him
15:55 < abakedapplepie> hes basically the whipping child of the company
15:55 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Lets entertain his misconceptions for a moment.
15:55 < abakedapplepie> and hes #2 on seniority
15:55 < Alternity> eh, dont worry he'll be making 60k for all eternity doing mid tier SMB work
15:55 < Jekotia> Our environment is actually somewhat difficult to fully automate deployment
15:56 < Alternity> and if he loses his current job he'll have a tough time finding a new one in the future
15:56 < Jekotia> My use case for PDQ is cutting down the time I have to sit at someone elses' PC
15:56 < Alternity> or go into management and make $$$$
15:56 < abakedapplepie> hes not going anywhere
15:56 < abakedapplepie> hges been here for 7 years
15:56 < Jekotia> I push all the installs, then activate and configure after
15:56 < Jekotia> They can be more productive, I can be more productive, while waiting for intallers to run
15:57 < Jekotia> Pitch that to him abakedapplepie
15:57 < Alternity> you'll be gone and doubled your salary in 2 years
15:57 < Alternity> he'll still be there doing the same shit
15:57 < abakedapplepie> hah, i hope/wish
15:57 < abakedapplepie> i could really use a new paycheck
15:57 < alazare619> hows sharepoints wiki ekaj
15:57 < Nightcinder> https://www.engadget.com/2018/06/22/google-measure-arcore-android-phone/
15:58 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: Jesus, the second sentence in that article isn't even written properly
15:58 < Jekotia> "You'll need Android 7.0, but your phone still needs to support it."
15:58 < Jekotia> AND
15:58 < Jekotia> not but
15:58 < Nightcinder> the app doesn't seem to be available
15:59 < Nightcinder> not sure if it's in the app store yet
15:59 < Nightcinder> i can't find it in the play store web version
15:59 < ekaj> alazare619: I don't use it much, so i'm not the most educated in it, but it seems like if you know how to use it it works well
16:00 < Nightcinder> i had to really look for it
16:00 < Nightcinder> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.tango.measure&rdid=com.google.tango.measure
16:00 < Nightcinder> found it
16:02 < Nightcinder> it mostly seems to work
16:02 < abakedapplepie> that looks like the old version
16:02 < abakedapplepie> it says tango measure
16:02 < abakedapplepie> thats supposed to be arcore not tango
16:03 < Nightcinder> all they did was update the app
16:03 < Nightcinder> they didn't change the name afaik
16:03 < abakedapplepie> oh
16:03 < Nightcinder> it has its uses
16:04 < Nightcinder> i'll use it when i'm out trying to figure out if things will fit
16:04 < AnimalFarmPig> I'll use it for dick pics
16:05 < Nightcinder> inb4 2smol
16:05 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, that's always the challenge-- phone cameras have too small field of view :P
16:09 < Jekotia> Anyone know of a good alternative to Sibbell for getting notifications on GitHub repo releases?
16:09 < Jekotia> finding a lot of nothing :c
16:14 < arlion> Need some help.
16:14 < arlion> Anyone known any documentation regarding writing a certificate in python?
16:14 < arlion> Using python to write a whole CA certificate, from scratch.
16:15 < AnimalFarmPig> Jekotia: https://developer.github.com/v3/activity/events/#list-repository-events + python/bash/perl/whatever + cron
16:15 < asimon> Is it dangerous to upgrade the CPU on a virtual machine that already has an OS installed
16:16 < Jekotia> I love anker products. The thought that goes into them is wonderful. Using a USB ethernet adapter to connect to a system that doesn't have the drivers to use it? It mounts a storage device with the driver installer.
16:16 < asimon> Vsphere is giving me a warning but idk if I should be concerned
16:16 < AnimalFarmPig> asimon: I've never run into problems doing so, unless you've got really old Windows VM's and are going single processor to multi or the other way around
16:17 < voice> on Linux it shouldn't matter, Windows I'm not too sure, as for vSphere its probably going to warn about violating it's license or a suboptimal proc setup in the vmx
16:18 < asimon> Gotcha. Yeah its for a windows vm from single to multi. Can't stand how slow my deployment server is atm
16:18 < AnimalFarmPig> take a snapshot, try the upgrade, if it doesn't work, kindly revert
16:19 < AnimalFarmPig> s/try the upgrade/do the needful
16:19 < voice> neeful not needful enough, needs to be a sev1 or higher
16:25 < asimon> update: did the needful
16:27 < ekaj> re: update: did the needful
16:34 < corn266> "Our code isn't working up to customer specs" "Ok so what's wrong" "The customer"
16:34 < corn266> oh shit
16:35 <+AnonymooseWork> lol corn
16:36 < Jekotia> Anyone else feel seething hatred for Twitter due to their shitty acquisition practices revealed yesterday?
16:36 < plop> so, if you don't know how to delete a password from the browser saved passwords, i'll disable this shit from your user.
16:37 <+AnonymooseWork> Jekotia ...  what did they do now?
16:37 < corn266> Jekotia, what do you mean? they tell the men to become trans or get fired?
16:38 < Jekotia> They acquired Smyte and the same morning that it was announced they shut down the services API's on customers with active contracts, some of them with YEARS left on the contract
16:38 < Jekotia> Nothing mentioned publiclly before hand
16:38 < corn266> wtf that shouldn't be legal
16:39 < Jekotia> Literally, our of the blue to customers, "Hey we've been acquired and our API is shut down, kthxbye"
16:39 < plop> also, this tweet is fun https://twitter.com/Nick_Craver/status/1009821656179765249
16:39 < corn266> Jekotia, point to this doll where they touched you
16:39 < Jekotia> corn266: It doesn't affect me, it just pisses me off in general
16:40 <+AnonymooseWork> oh
16:40 <+AnonymooseWork> well
16:40 <+AnonymooseWork> thats...strange
16:41 < aName> What's that?
16:41 <+AnonymooseWork> that they shutoff the api
16:41 < node808> Jekotia as long as its stock keeps rising...I dont care
16:42 < corn266> node808, wtf do you have no faith in our lord and saviour $MU
16:42 < Jekotia> It doesn't even objectively make sense
16:42 < corn266> wait I'm getting shit mixed up
16:42 < aName> AnonymooseWork: They just skipped 'extend' is all
16:42 < node808> corn266 huh...lol
16:42 < Jekotia> They shut down a revenue stream as soon as they had control of the company
16:42 < corn266> Jekotia, sure it does "this seems like an unnecessary expense"
16:42 < Jekotia> And killed a service that is objectively trying to make the internet a better place
16:43 < corn266> node808, r/wallstreetbets
16:43 < Jekotia> I can't wait to see the lawsuits for breach of contract
16:43 < corn266> Jekotia ++
16:43 < node808> Jekotia Smyte...the game?
16:43 < felda> corn266 is confirmed losing money
16:43 < node808> it kinda sucked anyway
16:44 < corn266> felda, nu uh I'm sailing my yaught around the werld
16:44 < AnimalFarmPig> has twitter ever made a profit?
16:44 < felda> lol
16:44 < felda> corn266 I'm making HYYUUUGE gains. I got 5,000 of $CBIS
16:44 < corn266> hol' up felda lemme look them up on my robinhood trading app
16:45 < AnimalFarmPig> All my money is in $PLND. I'm down like 15% :(
16:45 < Jekotia> node808: The game is Smite, not Smyte
16:45 < node808> oh my bad
16:45 < Jekotia> Smyte is a machine-learning based technology for auto-moderation of user-submitted content
16:45 < node808> twitter has made money for me...
16:46 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig, /uj put your money in a vanguard mutual fund index split on your age for risk level
16:46 < Jekotia> It's basically an anti-asshole program
16:46 < node808> so twitter absorbed smyte to use it for themselves?
16:46 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig, say you're 30; put 30% high risk, and the rest shit like bonds
16:46 < Jekotia> One that seems to work
16:46 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: nothx. I'm putting half my money into a Poland focused ETF with low fees, and the other half into guns
16:46 < corn266> nice
16:46 < node808> corn266 yeah everyone should have a vanguard fund
16:46 < Jekotia> node808: Most likely, as Twitter does have a problem with asshole/abusive users
16:47 < AnimalFarmPig> $PLND
16:47 < felda> corn266  > not using jStocks
16:47 < node808> geez...why not keep the revenue stream AND use it internally.  This reminds me of when Oracle bought Virtual Iron and absorbed its technology while killing it.  VI was way ahead of its time.
16:48 < Jekotia> This was later confirmed as referring to Smyte, and was the typical experience for its customers https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1009873821141118976?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftechcrunch.com%2F2018%2F06%2F21%2Ftwitter-acquires-anti-abuse-technology-provider-smyte%2F
16:48 < felda> corn266 https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/cbis?ltr=1 bought in at $0.04
16:48 < felda> I'M ROLLIN IN THE DOLLARS
16:49 < node808> Ive never seen a dude named Laurie
16:49 < aName> I love how the Office Deployment Tool's /download switch just brings you to a blinking cursor.
16:49 < aName> If you go look in the dir you can see files being downloaded
16:49 < node808> but Id be as pissed as Laurie too
16:49 < aName> But otherwise... "did it work?"
16:49 < Jekotia> aName: Yea, I was just dealing with that yesterday
16:50 < Jekotia> aName: If you're needing to make a config xml, take a look at https://officedev.github.io/Office-IT-Pro-Deployment-Scripts/XmlEditor.html
16:50 < aName> Just surprising considering how polished the rest of it is
16:50 < Nightcinder> ur face is polished
16:50 < Jekotia> Supports more products than MS's official preview
16:50 < node808> Is CBIS cannabis science?
16:51 < felda> yes
16:51 < node808> were you joking
16:51 < felda> nah lmao
16:51 < node808> oh ok...just curious because it looks volatile as hell..lol
16:51 < felda> I had some money to fuck around with in my IRA
16:51 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/06/youtube-now-lets-you-pay-4-99-per-month-to-support-your-favorite-creators/
16:51 < Nightcinder> oboi here we go
16:51 < Nightcinder> youtube fighting twitch and patreon
16:52 <@JollyRgrs> yup
16:52 < node808> felda ahh...ok, i did the same...I went with kush bottles and canopy something...let me check
16:52 < aName> I want to cuddle Jack Conte's wife.
16:52 < aName> That's my feeling on Patreon
16:52 < felda> my coworkers keep trying to get me to buy Aurora
16:52 < felda> but I'm not feeling it
16:52 < felda> 1 weed stock is more than enough for me
16:52 < node808> ill look at them too
16:52 < node808> felda yeah but its a penny stock
16:53 < Nightcinder> what is aurora
16:53 < felda> Aurora is $7 it is not a penny stock
16:53 < Nightcinder> what is aurora
16:53 < felda> Aurora Cannabis
16:53 < node808> no the other one youre playing with
16:53 < node808> CBIS
16:53 < Nightcinder> that sounds like a bad idea
16:53 < aName> Jekotia: Looks neat but doesn't seem to work in chrome or IE
16:53 < Nightcinder> especially as weed gets more legal
16:54 < Nightcinder> there will be a lot of competition
16:54 < Nightcinder> gotta back the right ones
16:54 < node808> the major industry suppliers are a good bet
16:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> i made a few grand in weed stocks a few years ago
16:54 < node808> like Cree
16:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> definitely do not recommend
16:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
16:54 < McDonaldsWiFi> it was a REEE fest
16:54 < Nightcinder> McDonaldsWiFi: why did you ask about people in OH
16:54 < Jekotia> aName: I just tried chrome, it works. IDK about that initial error dialogue, but it doesn't seem to actually affect anything
16:55 < aName> Jekotia: On the removal tab
16:55 < aName> Jekotia: Adding doesn't actually add anything
16:55 < McDonaldsWiFi> Nightcinder: ill be in OH in a week or 2!
16:55 < Nightcinder> where
16:55 < node808> McDonaldsWiFi sorry to hear that
16:55 < Nightcinder> is big state
16:55 < aName> Jekotia: That was the option I was interested in - I want it to strip the machine before putting o365 on
16:55 < aName> So whatever office they had, now gone
16:56 < dragonfleas> Last night was a mess with work
16:56 < aName> Oh weird now it works
16:56 < McDonaldsWiFi> uhh lemme see
16:56 < aName> Cool
16:56 < dragonfleas> fuck RAS vpn
16:56 < McDonaldsWiFi> Clairsville
16:56 < McDonaldsWiFi> whereever the fuck that is
16:56 < Nightcinder> wtf where's that
16:56 < Nightcinder> St. Clairsville is a city in and the county seat of Belmont County, Ohio, United States. Nicknamed "Paradise on the Hilltop", it is part of the Wheeling, WV-OH Metropolitan Statistical Area. The population was 5,184 at the 2010 census.
16:56 < Nightcinder> you are waaaay south
16:57 < Nightcinder> well like middle of the state but all the way east
16:57 < node808> McDonaldsWiFi how long will you have to endure that place?
16:58 < Hatter> boy did I ever walk into it today
16:58 < felda> corn266 IRL:  https://imgur.com/sJeteRP
16:59 < Nightcinder> you're like 2 hrs from me
17:00 < narziss> aName
17:00 < Nightcinder> what's in it
17:00 < aName> narziss:
17:00 < narziss> I found a Lenovo script that will strip all O365 and C2R stuff from the machine
17:00 < narziss> I'll try to find you the link
17:00 < aName> narziss: Yeah but they might have like, 2013, or Home And Student or whatever
17:00 < aName> So I want to strip ALL office versions
17:00 < aName> Then install o365
17:01 < narziss> ok, well ill find you the link anyway
17:01 < aName> Cool thanks
17:01 < node808> omg
17:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol node808 just long enough to train
17:01 < node808> felda
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> Nightcinder: its a coal mine HQ
17:02 < corn266> felda nothing is coming up, just a blank screen
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> coal mine company
17:02 < Nightcinder> ah
17:02 < node808> Im too weak from laughing to google what "tendies" are
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol tendies
17:02 <@JollyRgrs> you don't know what tendies are?
17:02 < aName> I think this tool Jekotia linked will do it
17:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> its felda's sole diet
17:02 < node808> I knew Id catch hell for not knowing
17:02 < aName> JollyRgrs: He doesn't have enough GBP
17:02 < corn266> node808, is that the r/WallStreetBets post that starts with the kid scooping dirty water?
17:02 < node808> yeah
17:03 < corn266> lmao
17:03 < node808> and what's "Robinhood"
17:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> uhhhh
17:03 < corn266> "This is tripp today. He lost 110 pounds and turned latina""
17:03 < narziss> aName:
17:03 < narziss> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsZ6gzjgoXb4dhSYOWdTMB4yZ8Y
17:04 < Hatter> *SUSPICIOUS URL DETECTED*
17:04 < corn266> node808, robinhood is a fee-less stock trading app
17:04 < corn266> WOULD YOU LIKE TO RUN THIS EXE ON LINUX?
17:05 < narziss> lul
17:05 < node808> corn266 lol
17:06 < corn266> alright so what's the deal with Zeta's? I knew a few in college but did get what made /them/ /zeta/s
17:07 < node808> "with the smell of tendies in the air"
17:08 < AnimalFarmPig> tldr: the Zetas started as a normal sorority, but then became more and more immeshed in the drugs trade, eventually becoming one of the most violent and feared cartels
17:09 < narziss> uh
17:09 < corn266> i mean one of my pre-zeta friends could play classical piano music and now she's a degenerate so I don't think you're wrong
17:10 < Hatter> I love a lady who can play classical piano
17:10 < Hatter> can you get me in touch
17:10 < corn266> No she has a bf
17:10 < Hatter> and I bet you think you're next in line
17:11 < corn266> Not every tech person is a NiceGuy(TM) such as your self
17:11 < Nightcinder> i'm a b a d b o y
17:11 < Hatter> make sure you're shoulder to cry on is ready for their breakup
17:11 < Hatter> *your
17:12 < corn266> "treat her gud until she won't give it up and either sex her or tell her what you expect"
17:12 < Nightcinder> is this r/redpill
17:12 < corn266> no this is a society
17:14 < poquito> tips fedora
17:15 < rpifan> sigh
17:15 < rpifan> german interviews
17:15 < rpifan> the woman was nice
17:15 < rpifan> but they have like a 10 step process
17:15 < Hatter> the germans call me Hutmacher
17:15 < Hatter> sounds pretty sinister
17:16 < Hatter> as many things do in the german language
17:16 < Hatter> I'm sorry, go on
17:16 < corn266> rip rpifan did she at least make any efficient but unfunny jokes?
17:16 < rpifan> actually she is ukranian
17:17 < rpifan> very pretty nice funny and nice
17:17 < asimon> niiiice
17:17 < rpifan> it looked well bt after that there like 10 more steps, they then interview u with the soft ware dev then they give u a coding challenge then theyfly u to berlin to have a chat then
17:17 < rpifan> u spend half a day anohter challenge
17:17 < rpifan> then tehy take u to lunch
17:17 < rpifan> etc assuming uve passed all the other steps
17:17 < rpifan> huge mess i thnk
17:18 < corn266> ffs I hope this pays phenominally
17:18 < rpifan> it doesnt
17:18 < Hatter> rpifan: I love eastern european woman, how about a linkedin url
17:18 < rpifan> let me see
17:18 < Hatter> good man
17:18 < corn266> Hatter, go fucking jerk off already
17:18 < Hatter> woaaaahh that was uncalled for
17:19 < rpifan> what i dont get
17:19 < rpifan> is why a coding challenge
17:19 < rpifan> its a systems job
17:19 < rpifan> not a dev job
17:20 < rpifan> https://www.xing.com/profile/Eugenia_Martyniv
17:22 < rpifan> i think she might be confused with a developer role
17:22 < Hatter> sure she's lovely
17:22 < Hatter> I'd give her a little smooch
17:22 < Hatter> if you know what I mean
17:22 < rpifan> what kind of challenge do u give a systems enginner
17:23 < Jekotia> My name is Josh, it's in my email signature as Josh, and he always replies calling me JOSS >:c
17:23 < Jekotia> Co-workers suck
17:24 < ebol4> she's got a written speech impediment
17:24 < deww> what's his name? spell it off with one character
17:24 < deww> Dave? now he's Deve
17:24 < Jekotia> ebol4: I like you.
17:24 < corn266> Jekotia, my boss introduces me as the ISSO when I'm actually the ISSM and it angers me to no end
17:24 < ebol4> me too
17:24 < Jekotia> corn266: I don't know what either of those are
17:25 < Hatter> corn266: why? officer is better
17:25 < ebol4> international space station officer
17:25 < Hatter> you should assume the new title
17:25 < corn266> manager trumps officer
17:25 < technonerd> I want to be a space force cadet
17:25 < Hatter> everyone does
17:25 < corn266> also officer doesn't have all the paperwork that comes with the manager title
17:25 < Hatter> but I'm the only one in here who actually has a chance
17:25 < rpifan> https://boards.greenhouse.io/weq/jobs/4025147002
17:26 < corn266> "Metal servers" as opposed to plastic servers?
17:26 < Hatter> rpifan: does that m/f mean male and female?
17:26 < AnimalFarmPig> rpifan: you will be immigrating to Germany for the job?
17:26 < Hatter> rpifan: are there any with just m or f?
17:27 < technonerd> Vegan friendly servers
17:27 < rpifan> yes
17:27 < rpifan> ive never seen a just m or f one
17:27 < rpifan> yea im leaving the us
17:27 < AnimalFarmPig> neat, good luck with that
17:28 < rpifan> im trying
17:28 < AnimalFarmPig> it's hard to fire people in many European countries, so they try to be super-thorough in the interview process
17:28 < Hatter> rpifan: Not to get political, but are you worried about the muslim incursion of European countries?
17:28 < rpifan> why would i be
17:28 < rpifan> yea i heard
17:28 < Hatter> some of them aren't very nice
17:28 < abakedapplepie> corn266: metal server = baremetal = not virtual
17:29 < rpifan> id like an apple pie server abakedapplepie
17:29 < abakedapplepie> that project was scrapped
17:29 < abakedapplepie> i can get you an apple server tho
17:29 < corn266> abakedapplepie, <Nick Cage face>
17:29 < AnimalFarmPig> are you looking specifically for Germany or do you have a broader net?
17:29 < AnimalFarmPig> or you just really like that one company?
17:30 < rpifan> im open
17:30 < rpifan> spain sounds warm
17:30 < AnimalFarmPig> I got interviewed and got offers for positions in Poland and Hungary last time I was job searching. Really wanted to move, but the decrease in salary was just too much for me to justify.
17:31 < rpifan> poland isnt in the eu is it?
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> https://careers.scaleway.com these guys are hiring for a bunch of positions in Lille and a few in Paris. I keep telling myself not to apply.
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, both Poland and Hungary
17:32 < AnimalFarmPig> are both in EU
17:32 < vavkamil> so 2 hours later and I have a new usb-c cable :)
17:32 < vavkamil> also just learned that a cheap cable can damage your device
17:33 < rpifan> yea vavkamil hey hows czechia
17:33 < rpifan> AnimalFarmPig, looks fun but idk what all them positiosn to apply for, im realisitcally a junior sysadmin type person / tech support
17:33 < vavkamil> rpifan,  it's good, I would recommend https://www.cool-jobs.eu/
17:34 < asimon> That's a great website name
17:35 < rpifan> CZK?
17:35 < rpifan> i thought u were in the eu
17:35 < vavkamil> there are usually jobs for $3100/month, but for juniors it's mostly $1800/month
17:35 < vavkamil> we don't have euros yet
17:35 < AnimalFarmPig> rpifan: I'm not sure if they have any straight sysadmin positions. Sounded like you were open to more devopsy kind of work
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> CZ is EU
17:36 < rpifan> im open to devops if theyll take me
17:37 < AnimalFarmPig> maybe something like this-- https://careers.scaleway.com/job/compute-devops-engineer?with=♥
17:37 < asimon> Back to the best country
17:37 < asimon> did yall see this https://www.npr.org/2018/06/22/605007387/supreme-court-rules-police-need-warrant-to-get-location-information-from-cell-to
17:37 < asimon> (also /s regarding best country)
17:38 < rpifan> vavkamil, when will u get euros
17:38 < corn266> asimon, you think courts are going to stop it?
17:38 < rpifan> You know that ring 0 is not only a film
17:39 < rpifan> ?
17:39 < asimon> corn266: No but its nice to at least be able to delude oneself into thinking one has more privacy than before
17:39 < rpifan> ring 0 is a film?
17:39 < vavkamil> rpifan, I would say 2020
17:39 < Casteil> whoops, I just violated read-only friday
17:39 < technonerd> Fired
17:39 < rpifan> did u deploy?
17:39 < rpifan> how many euros r u going to get
17:39 < Casteil> made a production DB change (after testing of course)
17:40 < rpifan> noooooo
17:40 < rpifan> noooo
17:40 < rpifan> nooooo
17:40 < corn266> noooooooooooo
17:40 < Casteil> it'll be fine (Y)
17:40 < Casteil> yolo swag
17:40 < AnimalFarmPig> why would a country want to move to euro? That just makes you Germoney's bitch
17:40 < rpifan> (N)
17:40 < rpifan> n
17:40 < Casteil> just waiting for the cache to refresh to verify
17:40 < rpifan> sudo apt purge Casteil
17:40 < rpifan> yes
17:40 < Casteil> 3 fucking hours later I found the bug
17:40 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig, the same reason a country would move to the USD, oil
17:40 < Casteil> *one* fucking character to fix it
17:40 < rpifan> can i get paid in olive oil
17:41 < corn266> the greeks would oblige
17:41 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: I don't follow
17:41 < Casteil> (it was a left join gone awry resulting in a null, which resulted in a misrepresentation of inventory pricing on the main inventory views (thankfully internal-only))
17:42 < Casteil> (basically the "associated product" price wasn't being factored into the package price like it should've been)
17:43 < rpifan> whats a join do
17:43 < rpifan> vavkamil, not to bad 22 czh to one usd
17:43 < Casteil> "Joins" SQL tables
17:44 < Casteil> https://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_join_left.asp <<
17:44 < Casteil> I'm a SQL rookie; hence the 3 hours to find a stupid little problem
17:44 < Casteil> granted it's entirely possible it might've taken my backend dev fairly long as well :P
17:45 < vavkamil> rpifan, yeah but czechia is one of the poorest countries in EU
17:46 < vavkamil> in germany salaries are basically 2x, switzerland 3x more
17:46 < vavkamil> also norway is great
17:46 < rpifan> well i saw in spain they pay u almost nothing
17:46 < rpifan> like 30k eu
17:46 < rpifan> for senior roles
17:47 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ that is normal for most of Europe
17:48 <@killdash9> 30k a month is pretty decent. What are you on about?
17:48 < AnimalFarmPig> similar salaries in Poland, Hungary, Romania, Italy, Portugal, etc.
17:48 < silentfury-s4pro> depends on the area in the EU, cost of living is also cheaper
17:48 < AnimalFarmPig> 30k/year
17:49 <@killdash9> for what? Taxes? That sure ain't a salary
17:49 < AnimalFarmPig> cost for local goods is cheaper, but things like plane tickets to visit home, electronics, basically anything that is sold on the international market is the same
17:49 < AnimalFarmPig> killdash9: that's a good salary in Hungary
17:49 < silentfury-s4pro> to me it's about your net dependent on your COL
17:50 < AnimalFarmPig> that's about what I was offered for a senior software engineering position in Budapest
17:50 < Hatter> AnimalFarmPig: is that why they call it Hungary?
17:50 < AnimalFarmPig> I got a similar offer for a senior position in Warsaw
17:50 < AnimalFarmPig> Hatter: most of Europe has such shitty salaries
17:51 <@JollyRgrs> i got a simlar offer for jr POS operator at Auntie Anne's when I was 15
17:51 < AnimalFarmPig> the better countries pay 1/2 of US salaries rather than 1/4
17:51 < AnimalFarmPig> only European country that comes close to US salaries is Switzerland, and everything is expensive there
17:51 < Hatter>  Swiss ladies are nice though
17:52 < silentfury-s4pro> when you do the EUR -> USD conversion, it can be fairly competitive
17:52 < silentfury-s4pro> also, healthcare.
17:52 < Hatter> and again, the ladies
17:52 < vavkamil> and beer
17:52 < AnimalFarmPig> pls, I pay single digit percentages of my salary to healthcare
17:53 < estranger> oof
17:53 < Hatter> AnimalFarmPig: that means 8%
17:53 < AnimalFarmPig> it's a few thousand dollars per year, which is single digit percentages
17:53 < vavkamil> yup free healthcare doesn't mean it's free
17:53 < silentfury-s4pro> not necessarily free healthcare
17:53 < silentfury-s4pro> nothing is free.
17:54 < silentfury-s4pro> maybe the more accurate term is non-bankruptable healthcare
17:54 < ebol4> LOL IT'S NOT FREE LIBS GET BTFO
17:54 < AnimalFarmPig> an extra $60k-$90k USD every year goes a long way
17:54 < vavkamil> it's good once you are old
17:55 <@killdash9> $30K a year was my salary as a phone support chump almost 25 years ago.
17:55 < vavkamil> bad if you die before you need any healthcare at all
17:55 <@killdash9> the EU needs to get off their asses
17:55 < Hatter> killdash9: that sounds pretty good
17:55 < vavkamil> killdash9, phone support is like a $10k
17:56 < estranger> thats like $5/hr heh
17:56 < estranger> some kid in bangladesh sewing jeans makes more than that
17:57 <@killdash9> $10K/year? Or $10/hr?
17:57 < vavkamil> minimal salary is $4/hr I think
17:57 < estranger> vavkamil, in what backwoods area?
17:57 < vavkamil> estranger, czech republic
17:57 < AnimalFarmPig> killdash9: are you not getting the idea that salaries are shit in most of Europe?
17:58 < Clouder> i doubt anyone is worth 90k salary
17:58 < estranger> <3 MURICA
17:58 <@killdash9> AnimalFarmPig: of course I do. It's just fun not being the backwards one for once. ;)
17:58 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, 90k is a software dev with maybe like 3 years experience in Dallas, which is a moderately prices market in the US
17:58 < silentfury-s4pro> also depends on what industry
17:58 < estranger> Clouder, aim higher, kid
17:58 < Clouder> at least we dont have half of population stupid enough to make an old man with dementia to be the president of main office
17:59 < vavkamil> iphone is basically worth more than a month of salary for most people
17:59 <@killdash9> as for $30K/month. It's not unheard of in the States. I know several Sr Admins making that
17:59 < silentfury-s4pro> that's sad.
17:59 < ebol4> $30k a month is insane
17:59 < silentfury-s4pro> oh wait, 30k/month
17:59 < AnimalFarmPig> $90k is the difference between my salary in the US and what it would be in much of Europe
17:59 <@killdash9> of course, that's are in NYC and SF so CoL takes a huge hit
17:59 < silentfury-s4pro> well yea
18:00 < silentfury-s4pro> again, salary isn't EVERYTHING.
18:00 < estranger> the trick is to get a south bay cali job, but don't live in cali
18:00 < AnimalFarmPig> it's a whole hell of a lot though
18:00 < estranger> silentfury-s4pro, it's relative for sure
18:00 <@killdash9> a big salary makes up for a lot of problems though. Like it'd take $30k/mo to get me to even consider NYC. And with that cash you could afford to get out of the city pretty often
18:00 < estranger> but $360k/yr is pretty good just about everywhere in the US.
18:01 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
18:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> killdash9: sr admins making 30k??
18:01 <@killdash9> $360K still ain't 1%er monies
18:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> a month or year lol
18:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh a month
18:01 < ebol4> you can very easily get by in NYC with under $100k, assuming you have no kids
18:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> fuck
18:01 < estranger> killdash9, it just about is in a lot of place.
18:01 < McDonaldsWiFi> ebol4: meanwhile in rural KY 50k is smooth sailing
18:01 <@JollyRgrs> getting by? bums "get by" in NYC
18:01 < ebol4> but then you live in KY
18:02 < ebol4> right next to the jelly factory
18:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> its s onice
18:02 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs++
18:02 < AnimalFarmPig> My dream is to live in cheap country while working remotely and collecting US salary
18:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> ebol4: ++++
18:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> AnimalFarmPig: and pay double taxes lol
18:02 < Casteil> FYI, don't listen to killdash9 when he's talking about salaries.. he'll set you up for hilariously unrealistic expectations
18:02 <@killdash9> if you live in the ass-end of the Bronx you might get by on $100k/yr
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: companies aren't stupid... US companies pay cheap country labor cheaply
18:02 < ebol4> killdash9 just has big dreams
18:02 < AnimalFarmPig> McDonaldsWiFi: nah, you get tax credit for any foreign taxes you pay
18:02 < McDonaldsWiFi> I just got a job making 60k and I'm real happy... don't take kthis from me guys
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: IN nyc?
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol rural KY
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> then you're fine
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> so I'm basically rich now
18:03 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: yeah, I know
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> be happy, it's ok
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
18:03 < Casteil> McDonaldsWiFi: 50k/yr in most of the country is 'smooth sailing', outside of big population centers like Denver, SF, NYC, Chicago, Seattle, ETC
18:03 < syere> McDonaldsWiFi: That means you are only one or two job hops away from where you should be
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:03 <@killdash9> Casteil: I've had offers at that range. And higher. It's totally possible. But then I've been doing this longer than many have been alive.
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> syere: yup!
18:03 < Casteil> killdash9: cool story bro
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> 2 years exp at 60k isn't bad at all tbh
18:03 < estranger> killdash9, For the US overall, the income threshold required to be in the 1% of earners is $389,436, pre-tax (2016) .. so yes its basiclly 1%er w/ that salary in most places here
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: esp not in KY
18:03 < vavkamil> my brother was on vacation in NYC, airbnb in bronx, he said that even mc donalds was expensive for him
18:03 < McDonaldsWiFi> +++
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> that's like $75k in most normal states
18:04 < estranger> McDonaldsWiFi, btw why did you think I was against clouds the other day? i said im cloud agnostic =)
18:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> a 1200 sq foot house costs like 50k where I live, its so great
18:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> estranger: i said no a fan
18:04 < Casteil> the big factor to consider is ratio of salary : home cost
18:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> estranger: I guess you're just neutral? :P
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: i honestly prefer stratus clouds
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> or cumulonimbus
18:04 <@JollyRgrs> (did i spell that right?)
18:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> JollyRgrs: that's dirty talk
18:04 < McDonaldsWiFi> save that for the bedroom
18:04 < Casteil> I'm sitting at about 1:3 for salary:home cost
18:04 < estranger> McDonaldsWiFi, yeah im neutral :) run where it works for you best heh
18:04 < AnimalFarmPig> numbeo.com has a salary / cost of living leaderboard
18:04 < Alternity> just find someone who already owns a house and marry them
18:04 < Alternity> free housing
18:04  * killdash9 is tempted to copy/paste a line from a recruiter's email from last week for Casteil but is sure he'd still call it fake
18:05 < Casteil> australians are FUCKED
18:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> estranger: I think I agree! THough cloud software sometimes pisses me off... like Office 365
18:05 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> sometimes it can just be so closed ended and slow
18:05 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9 news is fake news
18:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> 1/5 is what I would like to be from home to salary ratio
18:05 < Casteil> house cost : salary ratio in Sydney is like 15:1 on average
18:05 <@killdash9> I don't think JollyRgrs vouching for me is enough. Shut up, JollyRgrs
18:05 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: what's wrong with O365?
18:05 < estranger> McDonaldsWiFi, it all has their pluses and minuses.. and you have to weigh it out and see what is best for each situation.  using aaS is operationally simple, but you give up control
18:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> JollyRgrs: sometimes it can just get on my nerves, idk. It's fine
18:06 < Casteil> McDonaldsWiFi: that's a little rough unless you put a big down payment on
18:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> just sometimes its a little bitch
18:06 < AnimalFarmPig> https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings.jsp
18:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> I'm sure on prem exhchange isn't any better
18:06 <@JollyRgrs> so did The Onion buy fakenews.com?
18:06 < Casteil> even with a 30yr mortgage, my ~3:1 house:salary ratio can be a little tight
18:06 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: try keeping up with nonO365 office installs and upgrading them every year
18:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> 33% of your salary a month on a home is quite the chunk...
18:06 < Casteil> I mean, the $375/mo car payment doesn't really help
18:07 < asimon> Damn shitty ass default settings
18:07 <@killdash9> the rule of thumb is housing should be no more than 30-35%. So he's on target
18:07 < asimon> Why would anyone want the maximum number of search results to be 10 by default???
18:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> JollyRgrs: I have to admin, one-click is kinda nice
18:07 <@JollyRgrs> when i first bought my house... i was making ~52k or so and paying ~$800/mo
18:07  * estranger looks at his mortgage, and 2 car payments
18:07 < Casteil> but yeah, I typically only end up around $500-700/month in "disposable" income after all 401k/COL expenses
18:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> god you guys make me nervous
18:07 <@killdash9> JollyRgrs: same
18:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> debt is like my biggest fear.. my house payment is like 350 a month
18:07 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: it was a PITA at first, but i saw the benefits if it played out right... it took a bit to mature, but it is looking fairly good now
18:08 < asimon> 350 a month
18:08 < asimon> that's nothing
18:08 < estranger> McDonaldsWiFi, house debt isn't really debt
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> right
18:08 < Casteil> debt is my biggest fear too
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> estranger: that's true
18:08 < Casteil> my mortgage is $1200 a month
18:08 < estranger> car debt is, cc debt is
18:08 < Casteil> which still isn't bad
18:08 <@killdash9> well, mortgage is $350, taxes are 800/mo now. Thanks, Texas!
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> I told my wife I don't want to get a loan for anything that depreciates over time
18:08 < asimon> Shit maybe I should buy a house
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> CC debt is bad.. b/c normally like 19% APR
18:08 < estranger> Casteil, not at all.. is that w/ ins/taxes? or just the mortgage
18:08 < ebol4> mortgage is $ 3 5 0 ???
18:08 < asimon> I pay like twice that in rent
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> she told me to fuck off, she's not savivng up for a year to buy a car
18:08 < AnimalFarmPig> house debt isn't really debt  <---- house prices only go up, never down
18:08 < Clouder> how much Telematics Engineer get paid in US ?
18:08 < estranger> wtf is a telematics engineer
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: right now, with the market, i think all rents ar ehigher
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> ebol4: yeah its dope
18:08 < Casteil> estranger: Yeah, insurance/tax escrow included (It's actually $1189/mo currently)
18:08 < McDonaldsWiFi> 1200 square foot home, 350 mo
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> you understand that rent usually covers mortgage + extra for the homeowner
18:09 < asimon> JollyRgrs: Gimme another crash baby
18:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> we're looking to move but I don't wanna leave this nice payment lo
18:09 < estranger> Casteil, nice :)
18:09 < Casteil> <AnimalFarmPig> house debt isn't really debt  <---- house prices only go up, never down < Uh, 2008?
18:09 < asimon> dodd frank rollback here I come
18:09 < estranger> i rent my house and i break even (using a management company)
18:09 < Casteil> house prices TYPICALLY only go up
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: thats_the_joke.wmv
18:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> Casteil: only upnever down, unless you're an idiot
18:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> lol
18:09 < estranger> and i rent a house that costs more than my mortgage heh
18:09 <@killdash9> I know more than one person that went bankrupt on that idea. Real estate _always_ goes up! Then 2008
18:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> ;P jk.. bad troll attempt
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9: yup
18:09 < Hatter> killdash9: they're not making any more
18:09 < Hatter> ever hear that saying?
18:09 <@JollyRgrs> that was the general rule of thumb BEFORE the bubble burst
18:10 < dragonfleas> How would humanity change if all humans’ life expectancy was significantly increased (let’s say to around 500 years)?
18:10 < Atro> i saw it wouldnt really change much
18:10 < estranger> killdash9, even 2008 included.. long term reality trends up.  justmany  people went in too hard and couldn't survive the downturn
18:10 < Alternity> wealth inequality would be extreme
18:10 < Alternity> even more so
18:10 < vinrock> (12:08:57 PM) estranger: wtf is a telematics engineer
18:10 < Casteil> dragonfleas: we'd be fucked by overpopulation
18:10 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: depends on the quality of life for those last 430 yrs or so
18:10 < vinrock> data acquisition and long distance transmission
18:10 < Alternity> also we'd be elves
18:10 < vinrock> e.g., fleet tracking solutions in the trucking industry
18:10 < Alternity> so pointy ears all around
18:10 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, if it is 400 yrs of being bound to wheelchair, that'd suck
18:10 <@JollyRgrs> and so many more handicapped parking spaces then
18:10 < estranger> ahh no idea what those go for then
18:10 < Alternity> JollyRgrs: eh, what if you were jacked into the matrix directly
18:11 < dragonfleas> Yeah, I would have 400 more years of video games
18:11 < Alternity> not that bad
18:11 < dragonfleas> i'm down
18:11 <@killdash9> I bought my house 20+ years ago. Almost paid off now. feels good man
18:11 < Casteil> if your lifespan is 500 years that basically means your last *100 years* are going to be shitty
18:11 < estranger> killdash9, nice
18:11 < Alternity> just mind upload
18:11 < Alternity> no body needed
18:11 < genr8_> sign me up today
18:11 < AnimalFarmPig> congrats, killdash9
18:11 < genr8_> i've been ready
18:11 <@killdash9> got lucky an dpicked Austin to settle in before Austin became a tech city.
18:11 < Casteil> actually the last quarter of human life span is generally pretty undesirable
18:11 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, I bet you made out really well on that
18:12 < genr8_> I'm ready to shed my body
18:12 < Alternity> killdash9: lucky?  that traffic would make me miserable
18:12 < Hatter> Alternity: that's a copy, not a transfer, it still means death
18:12 < Hatter> have you seen The Prestige
18:12 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:12 <@JollyRgrs> good movie
18:12 < dragonfleas> Why is it said that an alarm clock is going off when really it’s coming on?
18:12 < genr8_> was it though
18:12 < ebol4> isn't the prestige the piano man
18:12 <@killdash9> Alternity: I live 3 miles from office and never get on a freeway. 9 minute commute if I get stopped at every light
18:12 < Alternity> Hatter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
18:12 < Alternity> killdash9: woah nice
18:12 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: why do you park in a driveway and drive on a parkway?
18:12 < genr8_> It was a good premise but i didnt like how they played out the story
18:13 < AnimalFarmPig> thing that pisses my off is property taxes. Even when you own your house, you don't really own it because if you don't pay rent to the city they can come and take it. One of the reasons I still want to emigrate.
18:13 < Casteil> why do you get "on" a bus, but "in" a cab?
18:13 < dragonfleas> Why are there exceptions to every rule?
18:13 < Alternity> because reality is complicated
18:13 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: do you understand what those taxes pays for?
18:13 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: local government stuff
18:13 <@JollyRgrs> trash pickup, city water lines being maintained, etc
18:13 < dragonfleas> What is the purpose of death?
18:13 < Alternity> AnimalFarmPig: move to the congo, no taxes!
18:13 < AnimalFarmPig> no property taxes in Hungary
18:13 < int0x1C8> gtfo leech
18:13 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: bye felicia
18:14 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: adios!
18:14 < Casteil> I don't like property tax either, but it goes to fund public infrastructure
18:14 < alazare619> on blues clues how did mr sr and misses pepper have a daughter called paprika
18:14 < AnimalFarmPig> sure, but we could pay for public infrastructure in other ways
18:14 < Casteil> schools, roads, utilities, etc
18:14 < AnimalFarmPig> like income taxes
18:14 < AnimalFarmPig> sales taxes
18:14 < alazare619> did she have an affair with mr cayenne pepper
18:14 < AnimalFarmPig> etc.
18:14 <@killdash9> those taxes go to schools too. And a well educated populace is better for everyone. Even if you don't have kids to use it
18:14 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: it's all allocated
18:14 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9++
18:15 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm not saying we should not fund those things, just that property tax is a shitty thing and I don't like that particular form of taxation
18:15 <@JollyRgrs> trust me, you want your local McDonald's worker to not be a COMPLETE idiot
18:15 < AnimalFarmPig> because it means you don't own your house
18:15 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: how else do you propose to pay for such things it pays for?
18:15 < AnimalFarmPig> pay for those services with income taxes
18:15 < Casteil> the majority of your income taxes goes to federal government so trump can fly his fat disgusting ass to his own resort and make money because the secret service/supporting staff have to pay for room&board
18:15 < Casteil> >.>
18:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> actual domestic taxes that go toward infranstrucure and junk is like 10%
18:16 < vavkamil> for example in germany if you are christian you must pay church tax :D
18:16 < AnimalFarmPig> or import/export taxes
18:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> we could all have a 0.25% income tax if things were right
18:16 < AnimalFarmPig> or sales taxes or VAT
18:16 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: wut?
18:16 < dragonfleas> Some girl on my friends list on facebook just uploaded a video of her eating raw beef?
18:16 < AnimalFarmPig> property tax is a shitty tax
18:16 < dragonfleas> what the fuck
18:16 < vavkamil> JollyRgrs, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_tax
18:16 < McDonaldsWiFi> /s/property/every
18:16 < Hatter> dragonfleas: url
18:16 < silentfury-s4pro> comparing european laws to US laws is pretty silly
18:17 < dragonfleas> https://www.facebook.com/cat.west.14203/videos/206890626803657/
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> uh oh
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> its getting real pol in here
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> time to nope out
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> afk
18:17 <@JollyRgrs> so, McDonaldsWiFi those ppl with very little income and don't pay federal taxes, etc... you wanna take their money?
18:17 <@JollyRgrs> idea is that a homeowner probably can afford those taxes
18:17 < dragonfleas> this IRC is now /r/the_donald
18:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> JollyRgrs: I'm saying tthat uor current combined tax rate of like 60% (after sales and everything all year) is way too much
18:17 < ebol4> raw beef good
18:18 < dragonfleas> ew
18:18 < estranger> s/beef/pork
18:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> and we could get by on wayy less than taht, but the government blows too much money
18:18 < dragonfleas> ya'll beggin for salmonella
18:18 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: 60%? where you livin at?
18:18 < dragonfleas> i smell like beeeeef
18:18  * estranger downs some raw eggs
18:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> all together I said
18:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> income, sales all year, car taxes, property, etc
18:18 <@JollyRgrs> McDonaldsWiFi: my sales tax is like 7% and no state tax
18:19 < ebol4> oh yeah florida
18:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> almost everything you do with money every day is taxed
18:19 <@JollyRgrs> FL, TX, i think AK and some others
18:19 < corn266> McDonaldsWiFi, wtf are you on about? we don't tax enough and still spend too much money
18:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> corn266: i'm saying we tax too much and spend too much
18:19 < AnimalFarmPig> TN
18:19 < silentfury-s4pro> beef jerky yummy
18:19 < estranger> JollyRgrs, a bunch of states have no state income tax
18:19 <@JollyRgrs> ok, lets move off from taxes... and anything closely regarding political talk
18:19 < estranger> its in the double digets
18:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> incmoe tax was temporary for the war, lol
18:19 < estranger> digits
18:19 < corn266> McDonaldsWiFi, and I'm saying to don't tax enough but spend too much
18:19 < McDonaldsWiFi> corn266: im confused
18:19 < dragonfleas> anybody know where to order bulk beef jerky that isn't insanely expensive?
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: oklahoma/TX?
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> how big of bulk?
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> i mean... jerky is jerky... you want a lot, you pay a lot?
18:20 < dragonfleas> like 5 to 10 pounds
18:20 < vavkamil> there is no such think as cheap jerky
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> otherwise, make your own?
18:20 <@killdash9> dragonfleas: just go out on any back road in summer. Jerky is just laying there for the picking
18:20 < ebol4> make your own binch
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> buzzard jerky
18:20 < dragonfleas> I don't know how to hunt :(
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> mmmmm
18:20 < corn266> McDonaldsWiFi, what's to be confused about ? We spend too much on social services like the military budget and we run a massive deficit
18:20 < genr8_> that Wild Bills beef jerky was too plain and seasoned for me
18:20 < genr8_> UNseasoned*
18:20 <@JollyRgrs> roadkill... bred on roadkill...
18:20 < McDonaldsWiFi> the word tax makes me cringe lol
18:21 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: rly?
18:21 < silentfury-s4pro> a friend of mine said I should try Biltong
18:21 < estranger> lww vs vector clocks for conflict resolution in AP distributed systems? Go!
18:21 < genr8_> yeah i cant finish the bag. its too plain. just beef.
18:21 <@killdash9> df -h
18:21 < AnimalFarmPig> lww?
18:21 <@killdash9> derp!
18:21 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: are you expecting a fiesta in your mouth or some legit smoked meat flavor?
18:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> corn266: i wouldn't phrase it "we tax too little and spend too much", I'd state "We spend too much" lol
18:21 < genr8_> i thought it would be good. but its just beef.
18:21 < McDonaldsWiFi> corn266: unless you'd like to raise the tax rate to equal the spend rate or something
18:21 <@JollyRgrs> FONR!
18:22 < felda> FONR
18:22 < corn266> McDonaldsWiFi, I would like our country to not be indebted to others, but that's inho
18:22 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: it's AP, so just pick at random between conflicting values. That's what users deserve for going AP.
18:22 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: if US didn't rebuild places like japan and germany after pwning them, and just said "GET REKT!" we'd have a lot less debt
18:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> ^
18:22 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, lol
18:22 <@killdash9> man, it's been years since I dumped a command into IRC. Just like old times.
18:22 < corn266> JollyRgrs, ++
18:22 <@JollyRgrs> or even if we just said "we'll rebuild you, and we get a cut of your GDP... forever"
18:22 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, AP is the future, embrace is
18:23 < estranger> it
18:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> yup
18:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> you know, on that concept isn't it kinda funny how war works?
18:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> Like for instance, germany murdered millions of people
18:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> but they still exist... kinda insane
18:23 < McDonaldsWiFi> they just say "hey we give up" and the pwning stops
18:23 <@JollyRgrs> it wasn't "germany"
18:23 <@killdash9> I wouldn't say 'Germany' did that.
18:23 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: is joke. I recognize that there are use cases for data that has the possibility of being wrong
18:23 <@JollyRgrs> it was the nazis
18:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> sure but its neat how supe rpowers will actually think that
18:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> idk
18:24 < McDonaldsWiFi> its just interesting
18:24 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, id argue most data is ok if its 1ms out of date.. but yes :)
18:24 < estranger> thats why AP with tunable C is the bees knees
18:25 <@killdash9> 1ms? That's an eternity
18:25 < estranger> killdash9, depends on the use case
18:25 < estranger> 1ms is inpercievable <sp> for most
18:26 < estranger> ~ 1/150th of an eye blink
18:26 <@killdash9> I've been doing a lot of studying on HFT and tuning. It's a land of nanoseconds
18:26 < AnimalFarmPig> depends what you're doing. Want to relieve load on a web application? Set a 1 second TTL on the cache control header and let your upstream reverse proxy handle caching. Boom. Down from N requests per second for that resource to 1 request per second.
18:26 < estranger> killdash9, HFT is not most data by a far far far margin
18:26 < AnimalFarmPig> and nobody will notice the difference
18:26 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, ugh caches.. just get a db that can handle the load and not have to worry about old data/expiring data
18:26 <@killdash9> um, not most that you see but I'd bet as a percentage of total data in the world it's pretty significant
18:26 < estranger> killdash9, it's not
18:27 <@killdash9> not on the Internet, no.
18:27 < estranger> agreed.  still no
18:27 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: why throw hardware at a problem when I can throw software at it?
18:27 < dragonfleas> Who would win, one punch man, or goku?
18:28 <@JollyRgrs> because it isn't as satisfying throwing software
18:28 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, O_o
18:28 <@JollyRgrs> unless it is on cd/3.5"/5.25"/...8" floppy
18:28 < estranger> you need hardware to run the software, and you are talking about having a more complex architecture
18:28 < AnimalFarmPig> sure, it's not as satisfying as throwing a 90 kg projectile 300 meters
18:28 < corn266> dragonfleas, your mom just moving her weight around
18:28 < voice> JollyRgrs, just copy the install media onto a hdd, then throw the hdd
18:29 < voice> should work
18:29 <@JollyRgrs> voice: SCSI disk, right?
18:29 <@JollyRgrs> those are more fun to throw
18:29 < estranger> killdash9, all the stuff around hft is fucking cool/crazy
18:29 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: I'm talking about not upsizing a database server when I can take advantage of the caching functionality of the reverse proxy that I'm already using
18:29 <@JollyRgrs> ooh, i could see about putting it on a ZIP drive or a Jazz disk
18:29 < voice> oh man, zip drive
18:29 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, yes you are talking about adding complexity to bandaid your DB that cant scale
18:29 <@killdash9> estranger: yeah, very much so.
18:30 < dragonfleas> corn266, ur mom gay XDDDDDDDDD
18:30 <@killdash9> the lengths, or lack there of, they go to to save nanoseconds, is insane. When you're trying to save single nanoseconds at a time you know shit is complex
18:30 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: by "scale" you mean "add hardware". I'm talking about making a config change on a web server proxy
18:30 < estranger> i see redis + <some other db> all over the place and it just gets ugly++ at scale
18:31 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, im talking "at scale" where you single piece of hardware falls over.  no tweaking software will help
18:31 < AnimalFarmPig> https://www.nginx.com/blog/nginx-caching-guide/
18:31 < corn266> dragonfleas, what a zinger
18:32 < dragonfleas> corn266, dude i love zingers, the chocolate ones are best
18:32 <@JollyRgrs> i swear, these ppl sitting around the office from this third party HAVE NO OFFICE ETTIQUITE!
18:32 <@JollyRgrs> this lady is so loud, you could hear her across the entire floor
18:32 <@JollyRgrs> she's talking on the phone all the time, and always super loud
18:32 <@JollyRgrs> and annoying
18:32 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: you're playing the "but what if?" game. I'm saying you can often relieve a lot of load on web applications by using microcaching. It's easy to do. I just sent a link. "But what if that cache fails?" Sure, if that's a realistic possibility, we should mitigate it. That doesn't negate my point.
18:33 < corn266> JollyRgrs, at least you'll know when she gets an STD
18:33 <@JollyRgrs> #notevenitalian #giant_it_burritWouldNotApprove
18:33 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: also, but what if there are infrastructure constraints to scaling out your scalable solution?
18:33 <@JollyRgrs> i don't wanna know
18:33 <@JollyRgrs> but yeah, i will
18:33 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: but what if I can't afford a more scalable solution?
18:33 < voice> you will know and you will like it!
18:33 < vavkamil> I saw white noise generators for open space offices
18:33 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, I live in a bubble.. i work in enterprise distributed computing. $$$ is of a different concern
18:35 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: I understand. I'm a fan of simple architecture as well; however, I think a lot of people spend a lot of time thinking about scale that they will either never need or wouldn't need if they were smarter about architecture
18:35 < McDonaldsWiFi> Anyone ever actually tried to us ReactOS as a daily driver?
18:36 < AnimalFarmPig> there's only one Google
18:36 < asimon> Are roaming user profiles worth it to implement?
18:36 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, cant argue that people over architect :)
18:36 < McDonaldsWiFi> asimon: I wish my topolgy allowed me to use them,though they can be a pain in the ass
18:36 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: I'm sure the money is great in selling them new ways to do so :)
18:37 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, when you have a certain set of requirements... we're the only option.  its a nice place to be...
18:37 < asimon> McDonaldsWiFi: Pain in the ass how? It seems like they'd be pretty nice in terms of deploying new machines and doing backups
18:37 < asimon> Are there performance issues?
18:37 < estranger> but we're the Ferrari... most people dont need a ferrari, but when you do, its the only fit
18:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> asimon: there's a few factors... mostly network speed and stuff
18:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> sometimes they can run kind of shitty
18:38 < McDonaldsWiFi> but i like them, most of our offices are connected to my DC over VPN so there's no way I could use them :(
18:39 < AnimalFarmPig> most people don't need much more than a relational database and *maybe* some kind of key-value store if they promise not to abuse it
18:39 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: Ehhhhhh
18:39 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: Sounds painful
18:39 < asimon> Oh true, if your vpn thoughput is limited I can see how that would cause issues
18:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah i wish I could use roaming profiles haha
18:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> well some of the WANs are only 10/10
18:39 < McDonaldsWiFi> some are even 1/1 lol
18:40 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: And I have on-site users complaining about profile loads over gigabit
18:40 < aName> 'Well don't have so many damn files'
18:40 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, the good news (for me) is that every enterprise is now becoming a data company... because they recognize that if they aren't they are going to get disrupted and destroyed.  more and more use cases and projects have base requirements beyond what relational can provide
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> all i wanna do?
18:40 < aName> Really we should be forcing a remap of the document folders to the file server
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> is zooma zoom zoom and a boom boom
18:40 < aName> But I can't get buy in on it
18:40 < McDonaldsWiFi> oh just a redirect?
18:41 < aName> JollyRgrs: Oh, I'll get with your friends.
18:41 < aName> McDonaldsWiFi: Yeah
18:41 < estranger> more and more mainframes are going to distributed systems, too... the great migration to micro services
18:41 < aName> So instead of being stored in the profile, it's stored with the other documents
18:41 < aName> Profiles get corrupted way too frequently to lump it all together,  plus it would improve load times.
18:41 < McDonaldsWiFi> I've had to do that before, bascially just redirected the whole User profile folder
18:41 < aName> That's just my take on it though
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> aName: nope, this is all about wreckx-n-effect
18:42 < aName> JollyRgrs: Not a zig-a-zag-ah?
18:43 <@JollyRgrs> aName: it's about spendin every birthday butt nekkid
18:43 <@JollyRgrs> the rump shakah
18:43 < estranger> the trend is moving away from general purpose databases, and moving into Lambda style architectures / polyglot persistence.  Use the right DB for each service, and use a queue like kafka to keep your different persistence layers in sync
18:46 < int0x1C8> in our environment user document folders are redirected by GPO
18:46 < int0x1C8> from C:\Users\blah\Documents to \\share\Users\blah\Documents
18:47 < int0x1C8> and everytime I try to explain that, their eyes glaze over and nothing is remembered
18:48 < corn266> "Your documents folder is a desktop shortcut to the cloud"
18:48 < vavkamil> wow there is a new season of BattleBots
18:49 < int0x1C8> like "you need this specific file from someone? no you don't need to go to that person's computer and login to their account to get to it" "whaaaaaaaaa...?!"
18:49 < corn266> "the cloud knows all, just ask and the file will be delivered"
18:50 < corn266> int0x1C8, just hire me and I'll do all the explaining for you
18:50 < int0x1C8> I tell them they need a blood sacrifice, goats work best
18:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> i bet that's so nice
18:51 < int0x1C8> dunno how long I can keep doing that since the owners are new-day evangelical christian types
18:51 < corn266> I tried to promote one of our deeply religious programmers with a blood / satanic ritual and the dude noped out
18:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> I tried it once but the delay on loading files was sooo bad since it was over WAN
18:51 < McDonaldsWiFi> LOL
18:52 < int0x1C8> first time I met the owner's wife she grabbed my hand and said "let us pray.." and got confused when I didn't close my eyes and bow my head
18:52 < ekaj> ever have one of those days at work everyone just gets on your nerves
18:52 < int0x1C8> just kinda looked at me, then I figured oh fine wtf and did it, and she actually prayed for me
18:53 < int0x1C8> was awkward as fuck
18:53 < ekaj> say heil satan at the end
18:54 < int0x1C8> I was saying hail satan in my head the whole time
18:54 < corn266> int0x1C8, "You didn't close your eyes!" "How would you know??"
18:54 < int0x1C8> "I have the sight!"
18:55  * corn266 worships int0x1C8 
18:55 < int0x1C8> my SWTOR character was named Xi'balba Baphomet
18:56 < int0x1C8> xibalba is the mayan realm of the dead
18:57 < corn266> nice
19:00 < aName> So I ran the office deployment tool with /download
19:00 < aName> And... I'm not sure what I do with this - there's no executable downloaded
19:00 < aName> I thought it would be /packager
19:00 < aName> but it tells me that's not an option
19:00 < ekaj> my team lead is always like "i'm so busy etc etc." and he's over here napping
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> aName: the .exe is the setup.exe you ran /download with
19:01 < aName> JollyRgrs: That's what I thought
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> you run setup.exe /configure your.xml
19:01 < aName> JollyRgrs: I thought so
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> and the path you put in the xml points to that folder
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> if not specified, it expects it locally
19:01 < aName> Yep
19:01 < aName> And then?
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> that's it?
19:01 <@JollyRgrs> https://officedev.github.io/Office-IT-Pro-Deployment-Scripts/XmlEditor.html
19:02 < aName> Yeah I used that
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> make your config, then use the xml to download or to configure
19:02 < estranger> xml vs json, go
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> once you get comfy, you might edit your DL scripts
19:02 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: lol, i'm 95% done with using xml, very happy with xml logging :)
19:03 <@JollyRgrs> and super easy to read
19:03 < corn266> estranger, we did this yesterday and CSS was the winner
19:03 < estranger> corn266, I was team yaml
19:03 < corn266> and yaml lost to actual yams
19:03 < estranger> yams are used as currency in some cultures.. so not a terrible opponent to lose to
19:05 < int0x1C8> ekaj, do you have an airhorn?
19:05 < estranger> ekaj, take his picture
19:05 < estranger> set it as your screen background
19:05 < int0x1C8> I used to think spam was made of yams
19:05 < ekaj> lol
19:08 < genr8_> new Hyper-V 2019 in Insider Build 17692
19:08 < estranger> whats its new killer feature?
19:09 < int0x1C8> a new hypervisor for hypervisors, called the ultravisor
19:09 < genr8_> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-insider/at-work/whats-new-wip-at-work
19:10 < int0x1C8> now you got virtual in virtual, next release will support virtual hardware
19:16 < AnimalFarmPig> xml is a compromise between machine and human readability. Like any good compromise, it's bad at both things
19:19 < Casteil> JSON, baby
19:20 < asimon> gimme dat yaml
19:20 < AnimalFarmPig> I like json. yaml looks a bit too unstructured for me
19:20 < AppleHat> o/
19:20 < Casteil> https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_json_xml.asp
19:20 <+AnonymooseWork> o7
19:20 < Casteil> json is just a lot cleaner
19:20 < AppleHat> Hoi
19:21 < AppleHat> Whats Up?
19:22 < corn266> Just Casteil being wrong
19:22 < genr8_> JSON needed comments
19:22 < AppleHat> Have i joined right into a big discussion?
19:23 < genr8_> nope, shoot
19:23 < int0x1C8> yes
19:23 < Casteil> <corn266> Just Casteil being wrong < you're welcome to try to prove it
19:23 < int0x1C8> cake or pie, go
19:23 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
19:23 < Casteil> JSON is objectively cleaner than xml
19:23 <+AnonymooseWork> apple? or cherry?
19:23 < AppleHat> Apple
19:23 < AppleHat> And Pie
19:23 <+AnonymooseWork> warm? ;)
19:23 < estranger> protobuf
19:23 <+AnonymooseWork> with ice cream?
19:23 < corn266> Casteil, Check out this, and tell me if JSON would be more legible https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/bulkdata/CFR/2017/title-48/CFR-2017-title48-vol1.xml
19:23 < AppleHat> of course ;)
19:23 < AppleHat> Noo
19:24 < AppleHat> Except for Ben and Jerry's
19:24 < AppleHat> What is JSON?
19:24 < int0x1C8> what the actual fuck is that corn266
19:24 < corn266> A shitty way to spell jason
19:25 < AppleHat> I see a .gov link. I'm not american, so....
19:25 < Casteil> I guess it depends on your goal
19:25 < Casteil> but for machine to machine data interchange, XML is inferior
19:25 < int0x1C8> that shit crashed the tab
19:25 < corn266> int0x1C8, it's the USG Code of Federal Regulations Title 48 "Federal Acquisition Regulations"
19:26 < AppleHat> Ah, now i understand. You're talking bout code
19:26 < int0x1C8> chrome gave up on it
19:26 < Casteil> honestly don't see the point of that being XML format.
19:26 < corn266> Casteil, I parsed that as part of a contract and it was easy as shit barring the fact that they hand wrote all that XML
19:26 < int0x1C8> not code, just data interchange formats
19:27 < AppleHat> Just a matter of interest: How long have you been arguing already about that?
19:27 < int0x1C8> since yesterday
19:27 < corn266> I think today is the 2nd day in this channel
19:27 < Jekotia> AppleHat: days
19:27 < aName> OK... I get it now. That command is not very clear that it installs the application lol
19:27 < AppleHat> Oh god.
19:27  * AppleHat gulps
19:27 <@JollyRgrs> lol, it started yesterday by me
19:27 < aName> It would seem that it would configure the installer package
19:28 < aName> But ok
19:28 < corn266> did you ever get that script written JollyRgrs
19:28 < int0x1C8> yeah JollyRgrs is terrible
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> i wanted to make a log file for a PS script that was readable by helpdesk, yet parsable so I could remove entries in the log older than 1 month
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: i'm nearly complete
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> it's actually fantastic
19:28 < AppleHat> @JollyRgrs and now you just sit back and enjoy your chaos?
19:28 < corn266> nice
19:28 < Jekotia> aName: It's /configure because it configures office on the system, adding removing and modifying based on the xml file
19:28 <@JollyRgrs> only thing left is the try/catch and building the xml (when needed from scratch or to add an entry)
19:29 <@JollyRgrs> i already have the xml planned out and the 1 month rotation in place working
19:29 < Jekotia> it configures the system to meet what has been specified, which isn't always going to mean install
19:29 <@JollyRgrs> AppleHat: exactly what Jekotia said
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> makes it easy to just add on
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> "oh, you wanna add Access now and we didn't by default?"
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> no need to reinstall everything
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> also, everything with office 365 is delta based
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> if you have $oldassversion and can't update normally, you can run setup /configure and it'll do the delta changes/updates on the spot
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> like a forced upgrade/update
19:31 < int0x1C8> now refactor the script to make it do json
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> and it won't be a "reinstall"
19:31 <@JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: nothxkbai
19:31 < int0x1C8> lame-o
19:32 < AppleHat> help
19:32 < AppleHat> This didn't work as planned......
19:33 < int0x1C8> burn it down and start over
19:33 < aName> Jekotia: Gotcha
19:33 < aName> That wasn't really clear
19:34 < int0x1C8> the command line params need an alias /configure -> /dotheneedful
19:37 < aName> ^
19:39 < dragonfleas> buddy of mine on facebook just messaged freaking out about his network drive not working on any computers in the office
19:39 < Jekotia> aName: If you open up a command prompt and run setup.exe with no args, it tells you how it works
19:39 < dragonfleas> I say "have you checked DNS?"
19:39 < dragonfleas> he says "nah dude it's not DNS"
19:39 < dragonfleas> two hours later comes back "it was DNS"
19:39 < dragonfleas> lmfao
19:39  * Jekotia is so glad his org uses BIND
19:40 < aName> Jekotia: Yeah " adds/removes/configures an Office Installation" sounded like 'configures your configuration file to do this"
19:40 < Jekotia> aName: Why would one ever use a configuration file to configure a configuration file? Is that a thing you've actually run into elsewhere?
19:41 < aName> ... yes
19:41 < Jekotia> That sounds awful :c
19:41 < aName> But really I meant like /configure name_of_config_file_to_edit
19:41 < aName> Not so much config file for config-ing config file
19:42 < rootsudo> How do you guys stay motivated in this field?
19:42 < Jekotia> Ah, so a misconception on how the tool operates
19:42 < aName> Jekotia: yeah
19:42 < aName> All good now though - building out my package now. Came in the other day and there was a stack of laptops on my boss' desk
19:43 < aName> Used to do them one-off as they came in but I'm not doing the entire stack manually lol
19:43 < Jekotia> Yea, it took me a while to realise all the old how-to's were talking about a tool that you can't get anymore. without digging into archived versions anyways
19:43 < Jekotia> TBH, quantity doesn't matter to me
19:44 < Jekotia> It's just easier to be able to point my PC to a new or existing system and say "install these things on it plz" with PDQ
19:44 < aName> Jekotia: Yeah well we don't have PDQ
19:44 < aName> sooooo
19:44 < Jekotia> I don't have to waste time sitting, staring at installers
19:44 < aName> building my own meta installer
19:44 < Jekotia> get free version
19:44 < Jekotia> it's free for corporate use
19:44 < aName> Jekotia: Is it free for commercial use?
19:44 < aName> Oh no shit
19:44 < Jekotia> yes
19:45 < aName> Well gotdamn
19:45 < Jekotia> it's VERY limited, to the point of "run this one command and send these files"
19:45 < aName> When we looked last it was like 500 bucks a seat
19:45 < Jekotia> but it still works damn well for easing installs
19:45 < Jekotia> Also, that $500 per seat is per admin operating it
19:45 < aName> 2 Free mode is limited to a single install step.
19:45 < aName> Dammit
19:45 < aName> Jekotia: I know
19:46 < Jekotia> aName: It will still do office for you
19:46 < aName> I currently have a seven step installer
19:46 < aName> So
19:46 < Jekotia> What do you mean by seven step installer? what are the steps?
19:47 < aName> Jekotia: Yeah but this installs anydesk, creates a service account / adds it to groups, removes their antivirus, installs a new antivirus, then installs office, runs a software audit, reports to our audit server, then sends me an email letting me know it finished
19:47 < Jekotia> Ah
19:47 < Jekotia> Well, wait a sec
19:47 < BytesAndCoffee> anyone have reccomendations for a 2.1 desktop speaker kit under $100?
19:48 < Jekotia> aName: You can have it push an entire directory (and children) as a single install step
19:48 < aName> Jekotia: Right but then I have to invoke all the different installers and scripts
19:48 < Jekotia> if your main "process" is a single file that kicks everything off, it will still work
19:48 < c3vin> anyone running fluentd out there?
19:48 < aName> Jekotia: so... it's more of a means of moving this package than building it
19:49 < Jekotia> at the free level, sorta
19:49 < Jekotia> I intend to create something I can push as a package that will handle the configuration, for example
19:50 < Jekotia> PDQ "Install" isn't limited to installing. It's effectively "Push these files, then execute this one with these args"
19:51 < Jekotia> You can also deploy multiple packages at once
19:51 < Jekotia> So each of your "steps" could be a package that kicks off one after another
19:52 < asimon> Also have conditional installs - only install this software if they don't have it already, install this driver if they have that graphcis card, etc
19:52 < Jekotia> I haven't looked into it, but I can't imagine that it runs package deploys in parallel on each target. That would likely cause issues, since a lot of MSI's go "hey you're already installing something, NOPE NOPE NOPE bye"
19:53 < Jekotia> So you could easily queue them up in order
19:54 < asimon> I'm not sure if I trust myself with the power that PDQ brings
19:54 < asimon> you can just execute whatever powershell or batch script you want on anyone's computer
19:54 < silentfury-s4pro> pdq is awesome.
19:55 < Jekotia> asimon: How do you find employment in IT then? The job is basically "I can fuck all of your shit up, but I choose not to. Pay me please."
19:56 < corn266> "I can fuck all your shit up, but I tested it on my machine to make sure I don't. Pay me please"
19:56 < asimon> Jekotia: Well I was hired as a mechanical engineer, just been slowly accruing more and more it responsibility
19:56 < Jekotia> Ah
19:57 < aName> Well... either this packager has discovered the world's most amazing compression and turned over a gigabyte of files into half a megabyte... or something went wrong lol
19:57 < Jekotia> aName: Which?
19:57 < onenerdyguy> anything on the steam summer sale worth it today?
19:57 < aName> Jekotia: InstallForge
19:57 <+AnonymooseWork> oh god
19:57 <+AnonymooseWork> the cringe
19:58 < aName> Jekotia: I was going to use Wix, but I just wanted something with a GUI lol
19:58 < aName> Jekotia: Like... just package these files and run these commands and don't make me learn a whole new framework to do it
19:58 < Jekotia> afk, need to install UPS on solder reflow oven. Been postponing it for weeks because I can onloy do it on a friday, and shit keeps breaking elsewhere
19:59 < aName> Jekotia: ... wouldn't a UPS on that last like, four seconds?
19:59 < silentfury-s4pro> depends on the ups
19:59 < aName> I understand the need for it, but... damn
19:59 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: Even our big one wouldn't last long lol
19:59 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: Those things draw what, 20+ a?
19:59 < aName> I think we've got something like 10kw hours
20:00 < aName> So... for awhile, I guess
20:00 < aName> but still
20:02 <@cryptic1> Hey guys createchange is looking for help in #reddit-sysadmin-support with using the Microsoft Office Customization Tool or the Office Deployment Toolkit
20:02 <@cryptic1> anyone able to give createchange a hand?
20:03 <+AnonymooseWork> cryptic1 - whats he looking for? the whole process is pretty well documented by MSFT
20:03 <+AnonymooseWork> sorry am busy atm
20:03 <+AnonymooseWork> hey silentfury-s4pro you get a new job yet?
20:03 <@cryptic1> I am busy as well
20:03 <@cryptic1> "<createchange> Looking to deploy standalone Outlook 2016 silently, and have followed directions I have researched online, but the install seems to hang almost immediately."
20:03 <+AnonymooseWork> silentfury-s4pro if you are still looking... my company will be hiring shortly
20:04 < silentfury-s4pro> AnonymooseWork: I was passed over in this most recent hiring decision for someone with 20 yrs experience and worked for a direct competitor of them
20:04 <+AnonymooseWork> damn
20:04 <+AnonymooseWork> thats tough
20:04 < silentfury-s4pro> the 10 day wait sucked.
20:04 < silentfury-s4pro> it was really a perfect fit too
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> maybe they will call you back
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> anyway
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> we'll be hiring soon
20:05 < silentfury-s4pro> in kingston?
20:05 < aName> cryptic1: lol we were just talking about this
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> yep
20:05 < silentfury-s4pro> yeah thx but no thx
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> why not?
20:05 < SleePy> 20 years exp in server 2016?
20:05 < aName> cryptic1: Tell him /configure configures the system to have or not have office as per his configuration.xml
20:05 < silentfury-s4pro> that commute would suck
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> move there
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> low cost of living
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> right on the lake
20:05 < aName> cryptic1: That was my stumbling block lol
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> its beautiful
20:05 < onicrom> serbia dominating
20:05 <+AnonymooseWork> and you can EASILY get over 90k from them
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> just push a little
20:06 < silentfury-s4pro> you leaving? lol
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> trust me
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> they will be desperate
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> ... am i living
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> err leaving
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> does a bear shit in the woods?
20:06 < silentfury-s4pro> that depends
20:06 < silentfury-s4pro> do they use charmin?
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> assuming i can get details worked out, yes I'm leaving
20:06 <+AnonymooseWork> negotiating with former employer now
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> Trying to go back to assit with running their O365/Azure/Cloud practise
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> but yes, I'm done
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> one way or another I'm done
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> maybe next week, maybe next month if this job doesn't pan out
20:07 < silentfury-s4pro> i've 0 desire to move unless the job is insanely out of this world awesome.
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> well
20:07 <+AnonymooseWork> 95k in Kingston is god tier pay
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> for sysadmin work
20:08 < silentfury-s4pro> but you have to live in kingston
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> there is that
20:08 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: I want to move to a state where it's legal for me to grow cannabis, personally
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> queens & st lawrence students though ;)
20:08 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: That's worth a pay cut to me, although I'd probably end up making more there lol
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> aName it will be legal here soon
20:08 < aName> AnonymooseWork: In NYS? Ehhhhhh
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> ... no
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm in ontario
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> dumbass
20:08 < aName> AnonymooseWork: There's talk, but I doubt they'll ever let you GYO
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> Canadia
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> say it with me
20:08 < aName> AnonymooseWork: I'm not you, dumbass. So I don't know where you are, dumbass. =p
20:08 <+AnonymooseWork> Ca na da
20:09 <+AnonymooseWork> ok
20:09 <+AnonymooseWork> so come work up here?
20:09 <+AnonymooseWork> :D
20:09 < silentfury-s4pro> canuckistan!
20:09 < aName> AnonymooseWork: i mean, I'm right on the border as it is
20:09 < aName> I can go look at canada right now if I wanted to
20:09 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm missing my best friends wedding because of this bullshit
20:09 < aName> AnonymooseWork: I'd have to walk like, ten steps though
20:09 < silentfury-s4pro> sucks man :(
20:09 < aName> AnonymooseWork: So meh
20:09 <+AnonymooseWork> aName good, get a good look.  soon we'll be planting our privacy hedge
20:09 < aName> AnonymooseWork: GFY. That is, good for you.
20:10 < onicrom> 95k in kingston is baller
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> onicrom yep
20:10 < aName> AnonymooseWork: At any rate, I'm sure I could emigrate if I really wanted to.
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> Company sucks though
20:10 < aName> I don't have a criminal record, and I have in demand technical skills
20:10 < Casteil> I need to shake this temptation/tendency to stop for fast food on my way home from work
20:10 < onicrom> kingston is kinda in the middle of nowhere though
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> not really
20:10 < aName> AnonymooseWork: Plus i speak a bit of french
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> its a nice place onicrom
20:10 < onicrom> right between toronto and montreal/ottawa
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> IF you are not into the big city lifestyle
20:10 < onicrom> the most boring stretch of the 401
20:10 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm a smalltown boy, in a smalltown world
20:11 < aName> AnonymooseWork: Toronto is nice, though
20:11 <+AnonymooseWork> and i love it
20:11 <+AnonymooseWork> fuck toronto
20:11 < aName> AnonymooseWork: I really like it there
20:11 <+AnonymooseWork> and every bit about it
20:11 < silentfury-s4pro> Toronto is awesome.
20:11 < onicrom> i have a place in toronto
20:11 < silentfury-s4pro> can confirm
20:11 < onicrom> i live in nyc now though
20:11 <+AnonymooseWork> nice
20:11 < onicrom> toronto is ok, too boring and quite now that ive lived in nyc
20:11 < silentfury-s4pro> onicrom: well yea, compared to nyc
20:11 < onicrom> nods
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> onicrom - I'm looking at a house on 30 acres of land
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> because i hate people
20:12 < onicrom> tell that to a torontonian and they would be like nooooo we are the nyc of canada!
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> anyway
20:12 < silentfury-s4pro> toronto/vancouver/montreal are the big 3 in canada
20:12 < onicrom> which yes is true
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> this company is so toxic
20:12 < onicrom> but no where near the scale
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm burnt out after a year
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> i have one employee (he's great...) but i have ZERO backup for on call
20:12 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm on call 24*7*365
20:12 < onicrom> arent we all?
20:13 < onicrom> explicitly or not
20:13 <+AnonymooseWork> ... i just had to fly to Colorado to bail out one of our offices
20:13 < onenerdyguy> AnonymooseWork, that's normal
20:13 < onicrom> like it was flooded ?
20:13 <+AnonymooseWork> hahah ya
20:13 < onicrom> or something broke and you are master fixer
20:13 < voice> you don't like 2AM calls because a ping was 1ms higher than the rest?
20:13 < onicrom> lol
20:13 <+AnonymooseWork> flooded with heat
20:13 < onenerdyguy> having the 24/7 on call is sadly the new norm. BUT it's all on how the business handles it after you save shit
20:13 < onicrom> so you flew 3000miles to open a window?
20:13 <+AnonymooseWork> hahaha
20:13 <+AnonymooseWork> no
20:14 <+AnonymooseWork> i flew 3000 miles to meet up with an EMC engineer
20:14 < onicrom> ah
20:14 <+AnonymooseWork> to revive a SAN that died due to 120*F heat
20:14 < onenerdyguy> ...um...where was the notification of that heat?
20:14 < onicrom> it shutoff on its own i presume?
20:14 <+AnonymooseWork> onicrom the UPS shutoff
20:14 <+AnonymooseWork> onenerdyguy the local guys ignored it?
20:14 < silentfury-s4pro> no redundant AC?
20:14 < onenerdyguy> cuz i mean, without like FIRE, a room doesn't go from 80 to 120 in like 10 minutes
20:14 < onicrom> emc has enough juice in it to shut off cleanly
20:14 < onicrom> so that should have been fine?
20:14 <+AnonymooseWork> no redundant AC
20:14 < silentfury-s4pro> lol
20:14 < onenerdyguy> AnonymooseWork, you don't have your offices feeding back for central management?
20:15 < silentfury-s4pro> probably wont give him the budget for it
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> onenerdyguy - well this is a unique one
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> no budget
20:15 < onicrom> onenerdyguy: i worked at a bank, thankfully i was working that weekend and went into DC for something
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> and the onsite IT person that was here was let go
20:15 < onicrom> it was hot as fuck
20:15 < onicrom> AC died
20:15 < onenerdyguy> AnonymooseWork, ah. so, shite storm all around
20:15 < onicrom> this was a large large bank
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> and was not replaced
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> onenerdyguy yea
20:15 < voice> onenerdyguy, having worked as a dc tech for five years, you'd be surprised how quick a room heats up when a single RTU drops
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> oh it gets better dude
20:15 < onicrom> no one knew
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> the UPS shutdown to save eqiupment
20:15 <+AnonymooseWork> BUT
20:15 < onicrom> same bank...
20:15 < onenerdyguy> voice, in a DC, i definately agree. but in a branch office's server room..
20:16 <+AnonymooseWork> onenerdyguy this isn't so much a branch office server room
20:16 < onicrom> they wired the redudant UPS together
20:16 < silentfury-s4pro> branch offices shouldn't have server rooms.
20:16 < onicrom> so if one failed
20:16 < onicrom> the right one failed
20:16 < onicrom> the redundant one didnt kick in
20:16 <+AnonymooseWork> they have 2x EMC SAN, 4x GPU Servers, 12x other servers
20:16 < onicrom> good times
20:16 <+AnonymooseWork> and more
20:16 < onenerdyguy> silentfury-s4pro, as long as you can get a decent connection to/from, yeah
20:16 <+AnonymooseWork> they have 4 racks of gear
20:16 < onenerdyguy> AnonymooseWork, jesus.
20:16 <+AnonymooseWork> so the UPS shutdown all the stuff that was connected to it
20:16 < onenerdyguy> AnonymooseWork, and no on site tech? wtf
20:16 < onicrom> the outage in equinix in NJ is still going on
20:17 < onicrom> i want to see the RCA for this bad boy
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> whomever set this room up though had the GPU servers on utility power because the UPS was undersized for the load
20:17 < onicrom> 2 diff fiber lines cut
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> onicrom ouch
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> so
20:17 < onicrom> one with 800+ strandes and another with 400+
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> the GPU servers continued to throw heat into the room
20:17 < onicrom> strands
20:17 < silentfury-s4pro> lol
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> so yes
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> its a huge fucking cluster fuck
20:17 < onicrom> lovely
20:17 <+AnonymooseWork> our HQ? where I work... has CARPET in the DC
20:18 < genr8_> I dont feel anything wrong with the internet in NJ
20:18 < voice> plush carpeting?
20:18 < silentfury-s4pro> AnonymooseWork: so they don't care about their IT, time to move on as you are already bro.
20:18 <+AnonymooseWork> Exchange DB? is hosted on a Dell PowerEdge 2950 with commercial grade SSD disks
20:18 < onicrom> genr8_: this building hosts mostly financial services companies
20:18 <+AnonymooseWork> 2950!!!
20:18 < silentfury-s4pro> LOL 2950
20:18 <+AnonymooseWork> yup
20:18 < onicrom> they have lots of internet pops in there for peering
20:18 <+AnonymooseWork> Move to O365 is well underway though
20:19 < onicrom> but not a MAJOR hub
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> i would have been complete this week if i wasn't here
20:19 < genr8_> Sucks for them then eh
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork>  so yea
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> they don't care about IT at all
20:19 < aName> AnonymooseWork: ytho
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> but they are a data services company
20:19 < aName> carpet, y
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> aName y tho what?
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> oh
20:19 < aName> >.<
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> no fucking clue
20:19 < onicrom> genr8_: we have a number of connections in/out the building most were fine BUT both our ISPs were hit
20:19 <+AnonymooseWork> probably because it was in the building plans and the people never said anything about it
20:19 < aName> Like
20:19 < aName> they went out of their way to be worse
20:20 <+AnonymooseWork> they put VCT in the bathrooms, why not in the server room which was across the hall
20:20 <+AnonymooseWork> apparantely when they moved in they didn't even put in an AC
20:20 < silentfury-s4pro> VCT?
20:20 <+AnonymooseWork> only a bathroom exhaust fan
20:20 <+AnonymooseWork> vinyl coated tile
20:20 < createchange> very cool toilets
20:20 <+AnonymooseWork> its the white commercial tile shit you see verywhere
20:20 < silentfury-s4pro> lol
20:21 < genr8_> dont they put ESD safe flooring in server rooms ?
20:21 < aName> AnonymooseWork: I remember once I had just laid down to go to bed. Get an alarm from nagios that the temp sensor is at 85f
20:21 < aName> AnonymooseWork: Spend the next eight hours trying to get HVAC contractors in and get it fixed
20:21 < genr8_> you know the raised floor and all that
20:21 < ebol4> 85F seems.... low
20:21 < onicrom> panic
20:21 < onicrom> ebol4: 85f air temp is bad
20:21 < ebol4> oh air temp
20:21 < aName> AnonymooseWork: My boss' boss comes in at 9AM and asks if we REALLY need the HVAC support contract
20:21 < onicrom> i would guess thats what it was measuring
20:21 < onicrom> in take
20:22 < onicrom> *intake
20:22 < aName> You know, after a nice night's sleep
20:22 <+AnonymooseWork> aname
20:22 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
20:22 < silentfury-s4pro> aName: i'd have fun answering that.
20:22 < aName> onicrom: Correct
20:22 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: I got pissed and left
20:22 < aName> silentfury-s4pro: Figured I'd deal with it later
20:22 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
20:22 < silentfury-s4pro> i would've given him an answer that would've made him question his asking of the question of the first place
20:22 <+TuxedoJack> aName: If he has a south-facing window in his office, strip the blinds and then tell him to go ahead and cancel the HVAC contract
20:23 <+TuxedoJack> See what happens
20:23 < aName> TuxedoJack: lol
20:23 < aName> TuxedoJack: Building AC is separate from server room AC
20:23 <+TuxedoJack> Then go and puncture the coolant reservoir
20:23 < aName> So.
20:23 < aName> TuxedoJack: lol
20:23 <+TuxedoJack> So?
20:23 < silentfury-s4pro> TuxedoJack knows how it is
20:23 <+TuxedoJack> Show him what happens if he doesn't keep up support
20:23 < aName> TuxedoJack: If I break the server room AC all I do is hurt myself
20:24 <+TuxedoJack> Break building HVAC as an example
20:24 < aName> TuxedoJack: That'd be an RGE if they figured it out lol
20:24 <+TuxedoJack> If.
20:24 <+TuxedoJack> Security cameras don't cover EVERYWHERE
20:24 < aName> TuxedoJack: Heh and I have access to the footage anyhow
20:24 <+TuxedoJack> And I'm fairly certain that you could leave a miniaturized IED there to do the job
20:25 <+TuxedoJack> "Huh, looks like the coolant reservoir exploded. Electrical short, maybe?"
20:25 < aName> TuxedoJack: Weird, the cameras weren't recording then. I fixed it though, they should keep recording from now on =p
20:25 < genr8_> lithium battery wired in to direct short
20:25 < silentfury-s4pro> just ask for TuxedoJack's IED special
20:25 < aName> Did you guys see that mortar shell?
20:26 < aName> It's looking like a hoax now though
20:26 < aName> Still amusing
20:26 < AnimalFarmPig> <TuxedoJack> Security cameras don't cover EVERYWHERE    <---- I remember the plot to an episode of a British spy show where the bad guys were trying to steal a map that would show all the parts of the country where there weren;t surveillance cameras. Luckily, the brave agents of Mi-5 were able to stop them.
20:26 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
20:26 <+AnonymooseWork> sounds awful british
20:26 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
20:27 <+AnonymooseWork> well i think i'm gonna go grab some lunch
20:28 < genr8_> were they armed with boxcutter knives to perpetuate the british fear ?
20:28 < silentfury-s4pro> have you guys seen four lions?
20:28 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, been a while, but cool movie
20:29 < rpifan> nop
20:29 < silentfury-s4pro> think borat meets jihadis
20:31 <+AnonymooseWork> any of you guys use ITwatchdogs gear
20:35 < rpifan> whats that
20:35 < silentfury-s4pro> name sounds familiar
20:35 < aName> AnimalFarmPig: British heist movies where act 1 is 'how do we get a gun?'
20:35 < silentfury-s4pro> aName: you should see four lions
20:36 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
20:36 < AnimalFarmPig> now I want to watch it again
20:36 < AnimalFarmPig> after world cup
20:37 < m4221> Boo
20:38 < silentfury-s4pro> serbia just dominating the swiss
20:39 < rpifan> well ive started to apply for unemplyoment
20:39 < AnimalFarmPig> I want to see Serbia vs Croatia finals :P
20:39 < rpifan> misspwn_,
20:39 < AnimalFarmPig> <--- (has not checked to see where they would meet in the bracket)
20:40 < silentfury-s4pro> group semi finals
20:40 < silentfury-s4pro> quarters even
20:40 < AnimalFarmPig> okay, so they're on the same "side" of the bracket. So, quarters based on ranking, or semis
20:42 < silentfury-s4pro> so you can't have the final as serbia v croatia
20:42 < AnimalFarmPig> #sad
20:43 < silentfury-s4pro> it's going to be Russia vs ? in the final
20:43 < silentfury-s4pro> and Russia will win
20:45 < onenerdyguy> soccer :P
20:45 < AnimalFarmPig> Since there is no US or Hungary this year, I am supporting Poland. They've never won before. Imagine how happy the team and country would be. Also, as far as countries go, Poland is pretty likeable.
20:46 < corn266> You sounds like nazi german AnimalFarmPig
20:46 < silentfury-s4pro> poland looked terrible in their last match
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> they got kind of unlucky
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: why?
20:47 < corn266> Sounds like you're looking to invade
20:47 < rpifan> might take
20:47 < rpifan> a cargo ship to the uk
20:47 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, haha
20:48 < _KaszpiR_> AnimalFarmPig https://i.imgur.com/KRlKtYk.png ;)
20:48 < aName> AnimalFarmPig: My family used to live in Poland. Left in the mid to late 30s. Dunno why =p
20:48 < stairmast0r> silentfury-s4pro: my girlfriend's family is polish, and i heard a lot of "kurwa" coming from the living room the other day
20:48 < rpifan> lol
20:48 < rpifan> polandball
20:49 < silentfury-s4pro> stairmast0r: Japan had that their way with them
20:49 < AnimalFarmPig> _KaszpiR_:  :/
20:49 < stairmast0r> i thought it was against nigeria or something
20:49 < AnimalFarmPig> Senegal
20:49 < corn266> goddamn for some reason this celery tastes carbonated
20:49 < dragonfleas> cool, just got hired as a consultant for a local plasma cutting company
20:49 < dragonfleas> second IT job
20:49 < stairmast0r> ah yeah
20:50 < silentfury-s4pro> wait, it was Senegal
20:50 < vinrock> oh god i just went to joes crab shack for lunch and had one of those bigass crap buckets
20:50 < vinrock> there was crab in it too
20:50 < silentfury-s4pro> well i would hope so
20:50 < silentfury-s4pro> considering you went to a crab shack
20:50 < corn266> same, silentfury-s4pro
20:50 < vinrock> yeah just wanted to clarify the crab in the crap bucket
20:51 < corn266> did you shake it all up
20:53 < AnimalFarmPig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtSzpKiARrI
20:53 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ Crabbuckit
20:53 < dragonfleas> How much should I charge for consultation boys?
20:53 < dragonfleas> What's the standard???
20:53 < corn266> ~$3.50
20:53 < dragonfleas> LOL
20:54 < dragonfleas> bout tree fiddy
20:54 < AnimalFarmPig> dragonfleas: full time or side gig? W2 or 1099?
20:54 < dragonfleas> side gig 1099
20:54 < aName> dragonfleas: 150/hr 4 hour min is not unheard of
20:54 < dragonfleas> 75 an hour?
20:54 < dragonfleas> fuck
20:54 < corn266> 150/hr holy shit
20:54 < AnimalFarmPig> you're junior and in OK, I would say $75 sounds about right
20:54 < dragonfleas> kk
20:54 < aName> Yeah
20:54 < dragonfleas> i figured 75 was good
20:54 < corn266> yea same
20:54 < aName> corn266: you gotta keep in mind you have to pay like half of that in taxes
20:55 < dragonfleas> it's a friend's family company, but they have 50 users, and my friend is their only IT guy and he's like help desk level
20:55 < dragonfleas> they have two servers, and a sonicwall, pretty easy if anything pops up
20:56 < dragonfleas> i offered to overhaul their backups for a flat fee of 400 dollars lol
20:56 < silentfury-s4pro> i stay far away from friend/family and IT
20:56 < silentfury-s4pro> especially if it's business
20:56 < dragonfleas> right now their backup system is rsync
20:56 < dragonfleas> silentfury-s4pro, nah they're cool, i did a voice acting gig for their commercial lol, got paid 1000 bucks
20:59 <+giant_it_burrit> have them pay what you charge
20:59 <+giant_it_burrit> no discoubnt
20:59 <+giant_it_burrit> get sign off
20:59 <+giant_it_burrit> i often charge more for friends and family
20:59 < corn266> dragonfleas, are you the voice behind mesothelioma?
21:00 < dragonfleas> no LOL
21:00 < onenerdyguy> anyone ever use Rocket Chat?
21:00 <@JollyRgrs> ugh... after meeting, now i forget where i am in my script
21:00 < dragonfleas> I could show you guys the commercial, but they made me take it off my youtube
21:00 < misspwn> hola
21:00 < corn266> JollyRgrs, you were about to send it to QA for review
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> no
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> they wouldn't know what to do with it
21:01 < corn266> "Hi I'm dragonfleas and I have erectile disfunction"
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: wait, you're dragonfleas?
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> TIL
21:02 < dragonfleas> I got all my collections removed off my credit report and somehow my score dropped WTF
21:02 < corn266> same thing happened to me when i payed off my student loans. It's cause they can't charge you any more money
21:03 < ebol4> they're scoring how long your report is
21:03 < Hunterkll> sweet
21:03 < ebol4> you fool
21:03 < Hunterkll> 2.5% raise
21:03 < Hunterkll> not bad
21:03 < dragonfleas> ughhh :(
21:03 < corn266> gz Hunterkll
21:03 < dragonfleas> I was like "once I get everything removed, my score's going to be great" got pay for deletes on 3 derogatory accounts, and then my score gets fucked
21:03 < dragonfleas> i'm fucking bad luck brian
21:04 < corn266> > Signs up for free trial
21:04 < vinrock> my credit score sucks
21:04 < corn266> > Gets sentenced to death
21:04 < dragonfleas> WTF
21:04 < dragonfleas> i got a bunch of alerts from capital one "Email Found on Dark Web"
21:04 < vinrock> i always paid cash for everything for years, when i decice hey itd be nice to have some good credit i feel like i cant get nowhere
21:04 < dragonfleas> WHAT DO YOU MEAN EMAIL FOUND ON DARK WEB
21:04 < ebol4> lol "dark web"
21:05 < dragonfleas> Social Security Number found on Dark Web
21:05 < vinrock> well that aint good
21:05 < corn266> dragonfleas@cp.net
21:05 < dragonfleas> what are these alerts on my capital one account
21:05 < dragonfleas> dude
21:05 < dragonfleas> this isn't go
21:05 < dragonfleas> good
21:05 < dragonfleas> what do i do
21:05 < corn266> nothing
21:05 < ebol4> this explains the credit score
21:05 < aName> I have a file with all the social security numbers, muhahahaahahahah
21:05 < dragonfleas> do i change my SSN?
21:05 < vinrock> i found my cc info, social and etc on a turkish hacking site somwewhere around ~2003
21:05 < corn266> dragonfleas, monitor your credit and chill out
21:05 < dragonfleas> should i freeze my credit?
21:05 < vinrock> yes
21:05 < corn266> yea
21:05 < dragonfleas> how do i change my SSN
21:06 < vinrock> you dont
21:06 < vinrock> ssn4lyfe
21:06 < dragonfleas> reregister at the hospital i was born at?
21:06 < onenerdyguy> you weren't born
21:06 < corn266> kill yourself and when you respawn you'll get issued a new one
21:06 < ebol4> die and be reborn
21:06 < onenerdyguy> your life is a lie
21:06 < vinrock> jus tsteal someone else's id
21:06 < vinrock> stolen identity inception
21:06 < misspwn> you don't get to just change your ssn tho, you need to have a plethora of reasons to do so
21:07 < corn266> misspwn, identify theft is a valid reason
21:07 < vinrock> shit i didnt think you could at all
21:07 < onenerdyguy> misspwn, my social has 3 6s in it, and I feel this is discriminating.
21:07 < misspwn> you can, it just takes a lot of red tape
21:08 < misspwn> i got caught dancing in the office and they were like "misspwn, did you just cabbage patty?"
21:08 < misspwn> yes, yes i was
21:08 < vinrock> you go girl
21:08 < corn266> cabbage patty sounds an aweful lot like waffle stomp
21:08 < misspwn> hah
21:08 < onenerdyguy> um...cabbage patch?
21:08 < misspwn> well i had to google cabbage patty, didn't know it was called that
21:08 <@JollyRgrs> cabbage patty? wtf? lol
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> onenerdyguy: exactly
21:09 < onenerdyguy> the internet says it's cabbage patch
21:09 < misspwn> patch*
21:09 < onenerdyguy> and cabbage patty is an indian dish
21:09 < misspwn> yah ok
21:09 < misspwn> next up queue the carlton
21:09 < vinrock> make the running man great again
21:10 < onenerdyguy> vinrock, it always has been
21:10 < vinrock> amen
21:10 <@JollyRgrs> and Cabbage Paddy is a racial slur?
21:10 < dragonfleas> i hate MFA
21:10 < onenerdyguy> everything is, at some point
21:10 < dragonfleas> need to change my password but I don't have my personal phone with me right now
21:10 <@killdash9> Irish aren't people so it doesn't count
21:10 < dragonfleas> microsoft said i had to wait 2 weeks to reset password now
21:10 < dragonfleas> fucking idiots
21:10 < vinrock> buncha potato huffing gingers
21:10 <@JollyRgrs> killdash9: F U! GET OFF MY EMERALD GREEN LAWN!
21:11 < corn266> and yet runescape let's you reset 2FA immediately wtf is this shit
21:11 < onenerdyguy> well, we can't all bup at their level
21:12 < vinrock> hey
21:12 < vinrock> did we do a moment of silence for koko
21:12 < AnimalFarmPig> tits out for koko?
21:12 < corn266> yes
21:12 < vinrock> she'll be signing with harambe in monkeyheaven
21:13 < onenerdyguy> harambe isn't in heaven
21:13 < GreyKite> no?
21:13 < ebol4> harambe was abducted by the cia and is now used for special operations in kuwait
21:13  * Hunterkll grumbles
21:13 < Hunterkll> so close
21:13 < Hunterkll> but so far away
21:13 < corn266> he's atop olympia with zeus
21:13 < Hunterkll> this raise put me JUST under $90k
21:14 < Hunterkll> bastards
21:14 < onenerdyguy> Hunterkll, raise?! what is that
21:14 < ebol4> Hunterkll: just steal
21:14 < corn266> https://youtu.be/e7aSde8X5JU?t=76
21:14 < Hunterkll> lol
21:14 < Hunterkll> onenerdyguy, its this thing they keep doing to me
21:14 < GreyKite> Hunterkll: just waving that money-epeen in the air
21:14 < AnimalFarmPig> This changed my opinion of Martin Skreli-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rWA3thlVws
21:14 < Hunterkll> where they give me more money
21:14 < Hunterkll> GreyKite, your tax dollars at work
21:14 < onenerdyguy> Hunterkll, wtf. bastards.
21:14 < onenerdyguy> Hunterkll, gonna put you into a new tax bracket and it's a negative net
21:15 < Hunterkll> no
21:15 < Hunterkll> that's not how american taxes work
21:15 < AnimalFarmPig> linked above is interview with Martin Skreli about Harambe
21:15 < Hunterkll> people are stupid when they think that..
21:15 <@killdash9> oh geez, not this tax bracket thing again
21:15 < alazare619> bitcoin blockchain was developed to cloud source anti-encryption
21:16 < alazare619> by allowing your pc to mine you are helping the NSA decrypt traffic
21:16 < Hunterkll> killdash9, i don't know why it's so hard to understand
21:16 < corn266> onenerdyguy, that's not how taxes work
21:16 < GreyKite> alazare619: that's a new one, I'm gonna steal that
21:16 <@killdash9> how do people get to tax paying adulthood and not understand the basic of the tax system?
21:16 < ebol4> they don't teach it in school
21:16 < GreyKite> killdash9: have you seen the fucking tax system?
21:16 < alazare619> GreyKite: its probable
21:16 < GreyKite> it's fucked and they don't actually go out of their way to tell you anything
21:16 < Hunterkll> GreyKite, the basics of how the tax brackets work is simple enough
21:16 < alazare619> just saying..
21:16 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: will you write copy for my website? cloudblockchainmachinelearning.io?
21:16 <@killdash9> GreyKite: of course not. I'm rich. I don't pay any
21:17 < Hunterkll> lol
21:17 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: just copy pasta
21:17 < alazare619> and cite me ;)
21:17 < alazare619> alazare619 - Freenode IRC circa 2018
21:17 <@killdash9> cloudblockchainmachinelearningturk
21:17 < ebol4> what is the roof of your mouth
21:17 < vinrock> the madula oblongata
21:17 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: I want something believable, well designed, full of buzzwords, and devoid of any actual meaning. Right now it's just a parking page.
21:18 < ebol4> vinrock: that regulates your heartbeat and breathing and stuff
21:18 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't own that domain, but one with a very similar name
21:18 <@killdash9> AnimalFarmPig: http://www.cipsum.com/
21:18 < vinrock> ive redesignated it as mouth roof
21:18 < ebol4> dang that's cool
21:18 < vinrock> ikr
21:18 <@killdash9> you want that
21:18 < AnimalFarmPig> killdash9: oooo, nice
21:19 < Hunterkll> alright
21:19 < Hunterkll> the most bullshit of bullshitty status reports has been sent
21:19 <@killdash9> Leverage agile frameworks to provide a robust synopsis for high level overviews.
21:19 < vinrock> lol
21:19 < vinrock> spit out 10 paragraphs and run it through sansbullshitsans
21:19 < vinrock> lotta bullshit
21:19 < GreyKite> killdash9: buzzwordy but it almost has meaning, try harder
21:20 < GreyKite> I want literal contradictions within a single sentence
21:20 < Jekotia> Back, and achieved nothing. Can't add a UPS to a reflow oven's control PC if where the PC gets power from is undeterminable :|
21:20 < vinrock> wat
21:20 < vinrock> is it like a cord just going into a wall
21:20 < GreyKite> Jekotia: hold up, you couldn't fine the plug?
21:20 < Hunterkll> killdash9, thats what i did but without buzzwords
21:21 < Jekotia> It doesn't seem to have one
21:21 < GreyKite> Jekotia: it doesn't have power?
21:21 < Hunterkll> "Deployed X" - yea, right before i made this status report, and it took me 2 mintues
21:21 < Hunterkll> but it takes up 3 lines on the report
21:21 < Hunterkll> so it makes my week look better
21:21 < Hunterkll> lol
21:21 < vinrock> how is it powered, via osmosis?
21:22 < Jekotia> The power cables disappear into the pipe that mounts it on the machine. It receives power from the machine (you turn the off off, PC loses power), but can't find where it actually connects to the machine in order to introduce a UPS
21:22 < Jekotia> It's a fucking maze of cables and sealed compartments that require major disassembly to access
21:22 < vinrock> cut the cord, splice in a new one to the ups
21:22 < vinrock> blammo
21:22 < vinrock> also, thats cool you can reflow shit at your work
21:23 <@killdash9> man, I'm so glad we've got DevOops/ci/cd. We've finally been told we can deploy up to six, yes _six_!, servers at once through their fancy pipelines...2 years ago, before the ci/cd push, it was a much, much larger number
21:23 < stairmast0r> killdash9: that's not lorem ipsum that's just the minutes of a meeting
21:23 <@killdash9> Progress!
21:23 < Jekotia> And where would I plug that in? There's no 110AC outlets around the machine
21:23 <@killdash9> stairmast0r: sadly, truth
21:23 < vinrock> how did you wind up with this silly task
21:23 < Jekotia> When I say reflow oven and machine, I'm referring to a huge, 500V+ industrial system
21:23 < vinrock> are you new at the company
21:23 < GreyKite> Jekotia: madness
21:23 < vinrock> are you being teased like when you tell a greenhorn in construction industry to go grab the wood stretcher out of the van
21:24 < Jekotia> vinrock: I'm IT support. UPS' for PC's fall under that.
21:24 < Jekotia> This is just a case of things not working like they appear to
21:24 < Jekotia> There's a 110V UPS inside the machine, under the PC mount. Guess what though? Disconnect everything, PC still powers on
21:24 < vinrock> ooh new eset 7 rtm has been released to partners
21:24 < Jekotia> That is the ONLY 110V circuitry I could locate
21:25 < silentfury-s4pro> vinrock: did they finally fix their remote administrator nonsense?
21:25 < vinrock> interesting
21:25 < stairmast0r> so i have a phone interview for this DC tech job next week, but i'd like to look for some similar jobs in case it doesn't work out. thing is, i'm not sure what i'm looking for
21:25 < vinrock> silentfury what nonsense?
21:25 < vinrock> i havent had any trouble with era6 for the past 4 years
21:25 < silentfury-s4pro> v6 remote admin gui
21:25 < corn266> stairmast0r, is it money?
21:25 < stairmast0r> it's 10-20 hrs/week, on call, and a lot of money
21:26 < stairmast0r> most "datacenter tech" job listings are like $18/hr full time
21:26 < Casteil> damn I can never remember the difference between similie/metaphor/etc... what it's called when you compare something to something else; i.e. "This requested database change is a bit like brain surgery"
21:26 < stairmast0r> Casteil: simile like, metaphor is
21:26 < Casteil> is that technically a similie?
21:26 < vinrock> synonym
21:26 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: how much am i going to get paid for this :P
21:26 < Casteil> vinrock: synonym only applies on the word level
21:26 < vinrock> eh it was a good guess
21:27 < stairmast0r> Casteil: "crypti1 is shit" would be a metaphor
21:27 < stairmast0r> probably good that i typo'd that
21:28 < alazare619> killdash9: i cant believe cipsum is a thing
21:28 < genr8_> new Samy Kamkar video piece breaking down the hacking scenes in the movie Oceans 8 https://youtu.be/vycRkEk1384
21:28 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: ehhh.... I am actually willing to pay someone to put together a brochure site, but not right now. I'll probably put something on upwork for $100.
21:29 < alazare619> for 100 bucks ill write an entire blog post with buzz words anecdot and shit about how the NSA is using block chain to decrypt internet traffic in a hive mind sense
21:30 < alazare619> and pointing to how asic's are the greatest ponzi mass spying scheme of all time
21:30 < alazare619> by buying an asic miner you are paying the NSA to decrypt your private internet even more so and you are leveraging the computing power to spy on 100's upon 1000's of mobile devices across the world
21:30 < alazare619> how does it feel to pay the goverment to spy on you?
21:31 < genr8_> keep going
21:31 < genr8_> you'll be done with the blog post in no time
21:31 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm trying to find an example of the kind of website I'm looking for, but Google isn't turning anything up. I'm using the following search words-- "stereotypical" "basic bitch" "parallax" website
21:32 < onenerdyguy> is there anything you can't use Blockchain for?
21:32 <@cryptic1> AnimalFarmPig, ask to view Hunterkll's site
21:32 < int0x1C8> alazare619, uhhhhh can't tell if serious?
21:32 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, https://www.hugebuttholes.com
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> nice, I like it
21:33 <@cryptic1> its sfw
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> http://wwww.homstardware.com <--- this is one of mine
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
21:34 < vinrock> hey you guys know if anyone makes like, a full sticky sheet of label paper, like avery or somethin
21:34 < vinrock> so its just a full 8x11 i can just cut out whatever shapes i want
21:34 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig, My friend's picture in my phone is of a downy kid wearing a cape saying "autism is my super power"
21:34 < corn266> homstardware is your super power
21:34 < AnimalFarmPig> https://web.archive.org/web/20170824175657/https://www.juicero.com/   <--- this is the kind of look I plan to go for on the cloud blockchain machine learning website
21:35 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, you'll need my domains to truly be successful tho
21:35 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: lettuce and all?
21:35 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, you need penis.claims domain
21:35 < Hunterkll> :P
21:35 <+giant_it_burrit> http://thisfuckingpieceofsoftwaresucks.com/ this is one of mine
21:36 < AnimalFarmPig> Casteil: that would actually be hilarious... just rip off the juicero website and replace the text. Make sure that the text also somehow references the pictures while talking about the cloud, blockchain, and AI
21:36 < Hunterkll> i also have penis.bargains
21:36 < Hunterkll> and penis.games
21:36 < AnimalFarmPig> I've got shittysoft.com, but it's also parked
21:36 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, redirect it to google's android page
21:36 < Hunterkll> :P
21:36 < int0x1C8> AnimalFarmPig, that site is fucking gorgeous
21:36 < alazare619> pen15.club is one
21:36 < Hunterkll> analbleed.com is mine too
21:37 < AnimalFarmPig> int0x1C8: thank you
21:37 < stairmast0r> i have citrus.party
21:37 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: that's a good domain to use for your contact email on your resume.
21:37 < stairmast0r> .party was on sale for $2
21:37 < stairmast0r> yall are too blunt with your domains
21:38 < int0x1C8> http://wwww.homstardware.com/nate/warthunder.html
21:38 < int0x1C8> did you actually do that
21:38 < AnimalFarmPig> int0x1C8: yes, those are actual results
21:38 < Hunterkll> stairmast0r, what, don't like nakedladies.guru or pornography.guru ?
21:38 < AnimalFarmPig> seriously
21:38 < Hunterkll> got a problem with meth.zone?
21:38 < Hunterkll> :D
21:38 < Hunterkll> meth.services? whore.solutions?
21:38 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought I was going to have to fake the data to reach the conclusion I wanted, but it actually worked out
21:39 < stairmast0r> AnimalFarmPig: lmfao
21:39 < int0x1C8> well this site is for sure 10/10
21:39 < int0x1C8> would come again
21:40 < AnimalFarmPig> thank you. We haven't updated in quite a while, but it was fun to build
21:40 < stairmast0r> did you actually do the cold air intake
21:41 < Hunterkll> im gonna add dnssec to hugebuttholes.com
21:41 < AnimalFarmPig> stairmast0r: IonCannon (another Hom's contributer) did
21:42 < AnimalFarmPig> I built the $50 watercooling loop
21:42 < stairmast0r> thats a dank way to cool your pc
21:42 < stairmast0r> i had a dryer hose exhaust on one of my old computers
21:42 < stairmast0r> thats also a dank fish tank
21:43 < user-and-abuser> noctura
21:44 < abakedapplepie> lol juicero is dead?
21:44 < abakedapplepie> didnt even know
21:44 < abakedapplepie> thats awesome
21:44 < user-and-abuser> https://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail
21:44 < AnimalFarmPig> Thanks. I took apart the loop when I moved. A fish lives in that tank now.
21:47 < Jekotia> AnimalFarmPig: If you like low temps, you should check this stuff out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4O_Dq3xRJA
21:47 < Jekotia> tl;dw: overclocked to ~4.5GHz and hit temps that you would hit running a stock cooler at stock speeds
21:49 < AnimalFarmPig> neat
21:49 < AnimalFarmPig> only works on Intel's consumer line of processor?
21:49 < Jekotia> That prototype was for a specific intel CPU line, but once it's market-ready I'm sure it will have variants for other CPU's
21:51 < Jekotia> Since, you know, it has to have the same fit as the factory IHS
21:51 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, looks like it relies on you delidding your processor, but it's only Intel's consumer line that can be delidded
21:51 < Jekotia> Oh, didn't realise it was just those CPU's
21:51 < Hunterkll> http://dnsviz.net/d/hugebuttholes.com/dnssec/
21:51 < Hunterkll> we're partially there
21:51 < AnimalFarmPig> AMD solders their heatspreaders, Intel's server socket CPU's are also soldered most of the time
21:55 < aName> Since when?
21:55 < aName> I thought you could get a jig and it'd just pop off with a bit of force
21:55 < genr8_> depends on the CPU
21:55 < genr8_> 8700k's just pop off
21:55 < Hunterkll> yea
21:55 < Hunterkll> because they aint soldered
21:55 < AnimalFarmPig> Intel switched from solder to glue somewhere around the 3xxx or 4xxx series
21:56 < AnimalFarmPig> but the socket 2011 and 2066 cpu's are soldered
21:56 < aName> I mean, if you're the type to delid a CPU
21:56 < AnimalFarmPig> and AMD's are soldered
21:56 < misspwn> 6 callers ahead of you jimmmmy. who in here is hogging all of the ESET support line
21:56 < aName> a little thing like a warranty is not going to stop you
21:56 < misspwn> you're grounded
21:56 < Jekotia> aName: It's not about warranty. If you try to delid a soldered CPU, you'll probably destroy the die
21:56 < aName> YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD
21:57 < genr8_> well you just gotta heat it up
21:57 < misspwn> aName: g r o u n d e d
21:57 < aName> Jekotia: Right.
21:57 < aName> Jekotia: Which makes it obnoxious
21:58 < vinrock> yo eset support rules
21:58 < vinrock> i got them to send me a bigass box fulla eset swag
21:58 < Jekotia> genr8_: Does that work without damaging it though? Thanks to heat transfer, you're going to have to make the IHS hotter than the target temp for the solder, which means that IHS could end up damaging other things while it's above the melting point
21:58 < vinrock> didnt disappoint
21:58 < ebol4> "here's your polo, please stop emailing us."
21:58 < user-and-abuser> lol eset
21:59 < vinrock> dude i got a tshirt, insulated mug, earbuds that zip up, buncha pens n stuff
21:59 < vinrock> CUSTOMER4LYUFE
21:59 < Hunterkll> oh wow
21:59 < Hunterkll> no wonder my numbers were off
21:59 < user-and-abuser> lol RIP your OS
21:59 < Hunterkll> i thought i had $22k in debt
21:59 < Hunterkll> lmao
21:59 < Hunterkll> really only $19k
21:59 < Hunterkll> a loan is double appearing ifor some reason
22:00 < Hunterkll> i was like "WTF where did i blow $3k ??"
22:00 < user-and-abuser> i like this
22:00 < user-and-abuser> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABVR6KB2922&cm_re=x99-_-9SIABVR6KB2922-_-Product
22:01 < Jekotia> 19k in debt? pfft, I have ~23k in the bank
22:01 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, i never said anything about my positive assets
22:01 < Hunterkll> :P
22:01 < Jekotia> And I'm probably younger than you too
22:01 < Hunterkll> user-and-abuser, eh
22:01 < Hunterkll> user-and-abuser, Asus Rampage boards are better
22:01 < vinrock> thats not too shabby
22:01 < user-and-abuser> 200 for an x99
22:01 < vinrock> i paid like $500 for my x99 mobo
22:01 < Hunterkll> ya just get a used Rampage V Extreme off ebay
22:01 < Hunterkll> lol
22:01 < user-and-abuser> im thinking about going to the x99 platform
22:02 < Hunterkll> much better board
22:02 < vinrock> pce lanes for days son
22:02 < Hunterkll> i sold mine when I went X299
22:02 < vinrock> -e/+i
22:02 < Hunterkll> highly reccomend asus board
22:02 < vinrock> im not upgrading til pci4
22:02 < AnimalFarmPig> I bought a few Gigabyte X99 SLI boards when they were on sale for $79 at Fry's. They're sitting in the closet waiting for cheap surplus Xeon E5's and DDR4 prices to come down
22:02 < Jekotia> I love how it's one of those gaming boards that's supposed to have a nice colour scheme, BUT OH WAIT, here's some ugly-ass green caps
22:02 < vinrock> wat
22:02 < Hunterkll> user-and-abuser, https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132505R&cm_re=rampage_v_extreme-_-13-132-505R-_-Product
22:02 < Hunterkll> much better board
22:02 < Hunterkll> and has fancy shit
22:02 < vinrock> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182968
22:03 < vinrock> thats the one i got
22:03 < Hunterkll> normally it's $539 but thats a good price for open box
22:03 < Hunterkll> https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-RAMPAGE-VI-EXTREME/
22:03 < Hunterkll> this is my current motherboard
22:03 < Hunterkll> looks like it goes for like $600-700 now
22:03 < user-and-abuser> not bad
22:03 < Hunterkll> i think i only paid some guy on facebook $500 for mine
22:04 < vinrock> that thing looks fabulous
22:04 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: WTF is with that weird ass tricorder?
22:04 < Hunterkll> LOL
22:04 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, OC panel
22:04 < alazare619> anyone know of like an OG legend of zelda style game on steam?
22:04 < Hunterkll> my VI can use it too (but doesn't come with it)
22:04 < alazare619> with steam controller support
22:04 < alazare619> 8bit would be dope
22:04 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboard-Accessory/OC_Panel/
22:04 < vinrock> LiveDash OLED
22:04 < Hunterkll> any asus board with ROG_EXT port can use it
22:04 < Hunterkll> V Extreme just happened to come with it
22:04 < vinrock> this thing is fancy shmancy
22:04 < user-and-abuser> i have no window on my case
22:04 < Jekotia> alazare619: Not a full game, but check out the indie game Legend of Princess. It's fun, just short.
22:04 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, it even has shit for doing VGA voltage injection
22:05 < user-and-abuser> i have no light on my case
22:05 < Hunterkll> to super juice your gpu
22:05 < Hunterkll> lol
22:05 < vinrock> what about hot beef injection
22:05 < Hunterkll> https://www.asus.com/websites/global/products/EUUwd8jU6IXIucrj/OC-Panel_-Extreme-Mode.jpg
22:05 < Hunterkll> look at all the features
22:05 < Hunterkll> lol
22:05 < Hunterkll> it's got LN2 functions too
22:05 < Jekotia> "Find out how cold your board is"
22:05 < vinrock> whoa
22:05 < Jekotia> Lol
22:05 < genr8_> haha it has extra capacitors on there
22:05 < Jekotia> As if that's ever an accurate statement outside of the arctic
22:05 < genr8_> just so you can scavenge them off
22:05 < node808> lol people still overclock...
22:06 < Hunterkll> genr8_, no no it's so you wire 'em specific ways
22:06 < Hunterkll> genr8_, you can do voltage injection to get higher GPU voltage then what the GPU card itself can provide
22:06 < Hunterkll> and other shit like that
22:06 < vinrock> does anyone actually do ln2 other than the japanese
22:06 < genr8_> im pretty sure "Extra resistors and capacitors for VGA mods" means those arent connected and you are supposed to rip em off and attach to your video card
22:06 < Hunterkll> yea
22:07 < Hunterkll> node808, i OC like a motherfucker
22:07 < node808> because the hardware engineers didnt know all the power they were keeping locked away
22:07 < node808> gotta unlock that power
22:07 < Hunterkll> lol
22:07 < vinrock> i built this box dec 2014, im probably ready to oc it
22:07 < Hunterkll> i run my 18 core CPU at 4GHz
22:07 < Hunterkll> sue me
22:07 < genr8_> I watch Buildzoid do the VGA voltmods
22:07 < Jekotia> The instalaltion of that thing is a huge missed opportunity
22:08 < Jekotia> They should have made it so that the bay can be installed first, and you can insert/remove the device from the outside
22:08 < Hunterkll> genr8_, those extra resistors n shit are soldered to the oc panel however
22:08 < node808> I need stability and simplicity in my life...that stuff was fun back in high school though
22:08 < Hunterkll> node808, yea, i'm not gonna build an $8000 rig and not do ricer things with it
22:08 < Hunterkll> i even put a fuckin spoiler on it
22:08 < Hunterkll> lol
22:08 < vinrock> its easy to do a stable oc, you just dont wana go apeshit with it
22:08 < int0x1C8> I had to punch a hole in the back of my case to thred my cpu radiators hoses out of the case, it wouldn't fit
22:08 < int0x1C8> so I taped it to the top of the case
22:08 < Hunterkll> vinrock, i can push this CPU so hard the power draw goes up to like 1KW
22:08 < Hunterkll> just the CPU alone
22:08 < Hunterkll> lol
22:09 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: I would hope you don't do ricer things with it. Rice isn't healthy to feed your PC!
22:09 < vinrock> jesus
22:09 < user-and-abuser> noctura masterrace
22:09 < node808> If I were building an 800.00 rig, I'd try overclocking...if and 8,000.00 box needs overclocking..there's a problem
22:09 < vinrock> i have a corsair hx1000 at home that i bought for some dumb reason
22:09 < user-and-abuser> 8k ... that rig better be making you money
22:09 < Jekotia> node808: Very few people OC because they NEED it
22:09 < node808> just like you dont put aftermarket rims on a mercedes
22:10 < vinrock> node808 when i build my machines i blow over $5k
22:10 < user-and-abuser> well there is lexoni
22:10 < vinrock> and oc em all
22:10 < rpifan> well miami is blazing hot
22:10 < vinrock> if im paying that much i want it to be fast as fuck
22:10 < rpifan> when u dont have office refrigator style ac
22:10 < node808> Jekotia they do it because of their budget doesnt allow for better hardware
22:10 < DomLS3> Jekotia: freerice.com
22:10 < alazare619> just looking for some 8bit style rpgs or platform games that i can chill in the front room and play over steam link and the kids can have a try at
22:10 < vinrock> i bet we have geezers here that remember oc'ing their pc by swapping out crystals on the mobo
22:11 < node808> thats always been the basis for it, but there is a percentage that will dump a lot of money into it and then OC it just for the benchmarks...aint got time for that
22:11 < node808> vinrock oh snap...youre wrong for that...lo,l
22:11 < Hunterkll> node808, $8000 box doesn't need overclocking
22:12 < node808> anyone remember the pencil trick on amd processors...lol
22:12 < Hunterkll> it practically demands it
22:12 < vinrock> ofc
22:12 < node808> circa 20001
22:12 < node808> 2001
22:12 < Hunterkll> literally the whole thing is breathing overclocking
22:12 < Hunterkll> the board is practically made for it
22:12 < Hunterkll> and how can you not abuse a $2000 CPU
22:12 < Hunterkll> :D
22:12 < vinrock> you could pencil trick the multiplier on an athlon and with intel you could only crank the fsb frequency and hope it didnt murder your usb controller
22:12 < vinrock> or go turbonerd and buy an engineering sample
22:12 < node808> Hunterkll uh because its 2000 bucks...hahaha
22:12 < Hunterkll> EXTREME EDITION means something right?
22:12 < Hunterkll> node808, oh and warranty is a thing ya know
22:13 < Hunterkll> 3 year warranty
22:13 < Hunterkll> plus burnout warranty too
22:13 < Hunterkll> if i physically burn it out (never seen that happen) intel will still replace it
22:13 < Hunterkll> lol
22:13 <+AnonymooseWork> vinrock.. needed to be graphite though didnt it?
22:13 < vinrock> yeah had to be a #2 pencil
22:13 < Hunterkll> but yea
22:13 < Hunterkll> i9-7980XE is a beast CPU
22:13 < node808> Hunterkll but i havnt even looked at overclocking in like 10 years, so Im assuming its not like the old days of bricking boards left and right
22:13 < Hunterkll> it made my dick 3 inches bigger
22:13 < Hunterkll> node808, eh the basics are the same
22:14 < Hunterkll> but even back in the P4 days i oc'd the same way
22:14 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: isn't it only 10 cores?
22:14 < vinrock> that generation athlon thought got HOT
22:14 < Hunterkll> and never had any bricking
22:14 < Jekotia> node808: A lot of gaming mobo's have built in safe OC
22:14 < node808> Hunterkll 3 inches eh...Im on board
22:14 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, 18, 36 with hyperthreading enabled
22:14 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: oh, damn, nice
22:14 <+AnonymooseWork> sure did
22:14 < vinrock> if you stress tested one and popped the hsf within seconds you'd see a poof of smoke
22:14 < Hunterkll> wtf i wouldn't pay $2000 for a 10 core cpu
22:14 < Hunterkll> lmao
22:14 < int0x1C8> EXTREME means its better, it has an X in it
22:14 < br14> Again, we found nudes on a turned in cell phone.  Am I the only one who doesn't take naked selfies with business phones?
22:14 < vinrock> noice
22:14 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: previous generation was only 10 cores at the top end
22:14 <+AnonymooseWork> lol br14
22:14 <+AnonymooseWork> were they cute?
22:14 < xamithan> Do you take naked selfies with other peoples phones?
22:14 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, yea, i was thinkjing about upgrading to that
22:15 < Hunterkll> i had the i7-5960X
22:15 < Hunterkll> before i upgraded to this machine
22:15 < br14> AnonymooseWork: No, dude is old as fuck and a dude.
22:15 < Hunterkll> best part of the machine is my boot SSD
22:15 < Hunterkll> 2TB 960 Pro :P
22:15 < Hunterkll> that was $1400 by itself
22:15 <+AnonymooseWork> ohhh br14 lol
22:15 <+AnonymooseWork> gross
22:15 < int0x1C8> number of X's in product name = that many times better
22:15 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: nice. I'm just a 5820k, but the whole thing was super cheap.
22:15 < Hunterkll> oll
22:16 < AnimalFarmPig> waiting for the Xeon E5's
22:16 < Hunterkll> 5820k... isn't that the gimped 16 lane cpu
22:16 < AnimalFarmPig> 28 lane
22:16 < Hunterkll> oh right it onyl went down to 28
22:16 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, X299 has a 16 lane CPU for it
22:16 < Hunterkll> :D
22:16 < Hunterkll> it's a quad core i5
22:16 < Hunterkll> ..... that chip costs less than the motherboards
22:16 < AnimalFarmPig> it was like $350 for the processor + mobo, so I'm not complaining
22:16 < Hunterkll> like seriously
22:16 < Hunterkll> why does this exist
22:16 < Hunterkll> https://ark.intel.com/products/121500/Intel-Core-i5-7640X-X-series-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
22:17 < node808> the latest hardware caries a premium price tag
22:17 < genr8_> they discontinued them starting now
22:17 < genr8_> It was for people to get on the X299 platform for cheap, and still have a ringbus
22:17 < node808> are the GPU's still insanely priced due to bitcoin mining
22:17 < genr8_> yep
22:17 < Hunterkll> nope
22:17 <+TuxedoJack> Hey, I need an opinion
22:17 < node808> fools were selling their 2 year old gpu's for a profit...crazy
22:17 < genr8_> waiting for that 300,000 gpu shipment to get sold
22:17 < Hunterkll> node808, lol i offloaded 980 Ti's for $500/ea
22:18 < AnimalFarmPig> 4C/4T socket 2066 with only 16 lanes... maybe it's for updating BIOS
22:18 <+TuxedoJack> If you had to work a weekend on-call (2130 - 0800 Fri-Sat, 1700-0800 Sat-Sun, 1700-2130 Sun), would you rather have a taxed cash bonus or an extra day of PTO
22:18 < AnimalFarmPig> only thing I could see it being useful for
22:18 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, lol or testing
22:18 <+TuxedoJack> Once every 4 months or so
22:18 < Hunterkll> but i ran one in a system
22:18 < genr8_> one day every 4 months
22:18 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, half the ram slots disabled, some of the sata ports disappeared, could only use 1 NVMe drive and 1 GPU, etc
22:18 < Hunterkll> like only 2 of the pcie slots worked at all
22:18 < Hunterkll> it's a retarded CPU
22:19 < Hunterkll> TuxedoJack, more money
22:19 < Hunterkll> $$$
22:19 < Hunterkll> one extra day of PTO for a year of on call rotations?
22:19 < Hunterkll> fuck that
22:19 < AnimalFarmPig> TuxedoJack: how often, how much money, how many days off?
22:19 < Hunterkll> $$$
22:19 < misspwn> oh my god
22:19 < misspwn> people are talking right next to my desk and i cant hear the support p erson on the phone
22:19 < genr8_> https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/Intel-Kicks-Kaby-Lake-X-CPUs-Curb scroll down to the bottom for the discontinuation timeline
22:19 < AnimalFarmPig> I assume it's 1 day extra PTO for each weekend of on-call?
22:19 < DomLS3> jesus fuckin christ
22:19 <+TuxedoJack> AnimalFarmPig, Hunterkll: one go-through in the rotation, one rotation every 6 months, so half a day of PTO / a day of PTO extra every few months
22:19 < AnimalFarmPig> misspwn: tell them to fuckoff
22:20 < xamithan> one pto day every few months?  haha,  no
22:20 < DomLS3> User: sends email asking to set something up. .02 seconds later, user walks to my desk: "I just sent you an email to set this up."
22:20 < Hunterkll> lol
22:20 < Hunterkll> neat
22:20 <+TuxedoJack> xamithan: that's extra on top of what's accrued
22:20 < Hunterkll> genr8_, well i mean
22:20 < Hunterkll> the lowest end CPU i would buy is the i7-7800X
22:20 < xamithan> Still a rip off for that amount of work
22:20 < Hunterkll> its like $20 more than the 7740
22:20 <+TuxedoJack> xamithan: right now it's $100, taxed
22:20 <+TuxedoJack> So it's a damn sight better than that
22:20 < genr8_> I'd buy a 7740x on ebay for $200 right about now
22:21 < xamithan> Thats a rip off too
22:21 <+TuxedoJack> Not disagreeing
22:21 < Hunterkll> i have a 7800X here
22:21 < AnimalFarmPig> TuxedoJack: so, ~2 on-call weekends per year, and you can get either one extra day of PTO or the equivalent of one day extra pay?
22:21 < xamithan> It should be like $100 extra per WEEK
22:21 < Hunterkll> in my spare X299 system
22:21 < Hunterkll> lol
22:21 <+TuxedoJack> xamithan: that's an on-call rotation where a tech does it once every 6 months for a weekend
22:21 < genr8_> 7740's are still goin for $350 on ebay
22:21 < genr8_> frick
22:21 < Hunterkll> genr8_, well they didn't magically get cheaper or anything
22:21 < Hunterkll> they still sell
22:21 <+TuxedoJack> AnimalFarmPig: Yeah, possibly 2 days
22:21 < AnimalFarmPig> just wait for cheap Xeon server pulls
22:21 < Hunterkll> but just get a 7800X
22:21 < rpifan> maybei  should start doing old men for money
22:22 < rpifan> misspwn, u know old men i imagine
22:22 < McDonaldsWiFi> have a good weekend fellas
22:22 < AnimalFarmPig> TuxedoJack: that's not too bad. I would probably take the extra PTO, especially if you can bank it or sell it
22:22 < Hunterkll> genr8_, literally, 7800X has 2 more cores for like $20 more
22:22 < genr8_> 7800x is same price heh
22:22 < Casteil> I think I'll be waiting for at least gen 9 intel
22:22 < Hunterkll> https://ark.intel.com/compare/121499,123589
22:22 <+TuxedoJack> AnimalFarmPig: yeah, the PTO's what I'm going for
22:22 < Hunterkll> also supports 8 ram slots instead of 4
22:22 < Hunterkll> genr8_, the 7740X is also a 16 lane wtf cpu
22:22 < aName> AnimalFarmPig: It should be illegal to 'expire' PTO - that's part of my agreed upon compensation and not, you know, compensating me is tantamount to wage theft.
22:22 < Hunterkll> the 7800X is 28 lane
22:22 < genr8_> tru
22:22 < Hunterkll> 7800X is really the "entry level" X22 CPU
22:22 < genr8_> it is pretty bad
22:23 < xamithan> It is illegal in some countries|states
22:23 < Hunterkll> X299
22:23 < Hunterkll> lol
22:23 < aName> ESPECIALLY when the company uses lots of PTO as a way to get people to accept smaller cash compensation, but then makes it impossible to effectively use your PTO
22:23 < Hunterkll> genr8_, for some odd reason, the 7800X has AVX-512 and the 7740X doesn't, according to ARK
22:23 < AnimalFarmPig> aName: agreed
22:23 <+TuxedoJack> It might be illegal in some other other states we do business in - GA, NC, SC, WI, CO
22:23 <+TuxedoJack> But not in Texas
22:24 < Hunterkll> we're in every state
22:24 < Hunterkll> we had a mass PTO purge
22:24 < Hunterkll> use it or lose it over a specific amount\
22:24 < Hunterkll> before we spun off
22:24 < Hunterkll> it was a way to reduce financial liability
22:24 < xamithan> Isn't illegal in NC or SC
22:24 < Hunterkll> oh, you could sell it off for 40% value
22:24 < xamithan> or probably any southern state
22:24 < Hunterkll> it's not illegal anywhere if we were able to do it at CSC
22:24 < Hunterkll> lol
22:24 < AnimalFarmPig> at both this job and job n - 2 nobody keeps track of PTO, just take whatever
22:24 < Hunterkll> it sucks but not illegal
22:24 < Hunterkll> lol
22:24 <+TuxedoJack> Shit, I get 3 weeks PTO a year now and only take a week or so
22:24 < xamithan> illegal in montana,  and CA,  probably WA too
22:25 < alazare619> wtf
22:25 <+TuxedoJack> If I cashed that out, it's an additional $3500 a year for me
22:25 < alazare619> https://store.steampowered.com/app/441010/Mount_Your_Friends_3D_A_Hard_Man_is_Good_to_Climb/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_3
22:25 < Hunterkll> lol
22:25 < Hunterkll> i have a limit
22:25 < Hunterkll> I can have up to 160 hours PTO
22:25 < Hunterkll> when i hit the cap i stop accruing
22:25 < AnimalFarmPig> taking my first two full weeks vacation in September, pretty excited
22:25 < Hunterkll> I accrue 3 weeks a year
22:25 < Hunterkll> but
22:25 < Hunterkll> it doesn't expire
22:25 < Hunterkll> it's not use it or lose it in that year
22:25 <@killdash9> alazare619: the original game is a lot of fun with friends
22:25 < xamithan> It expires the second you get laid off or quit ?
22:26 < Jekotia> alazare619: Buy it for me and I'll play with you'
22:26 < Hunterkll> xamithan, i think it's paid out
22:26 < AnimalFarmPig> I've taken several weeks that last couple of years, but never two weeks at a time
22:26 < Hunterkll> in a layoff
22:26 < Hunterkll> not sure
22:26 < xamithan> I'm just going to take like a three week vacation then quit with no notice
22:26 < xamithan> Mine isn't paid out so whatever
22:26 < Hunterkll> lol
22:26 <@killdash9> alazare619: 3D but no VR support? I am disappoint
22:26 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, i'm taking a week and a half off where i'll probably be told i'm not allowed to even check my email
22:26 < Hunterkll> because, you know, russia
22:27 <@killdash9> that's how PTO is supposed to work
22:27 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: nice! I'll be in Hungary. I don't check my email outside working hours anyway :)
22:28 < alazare619> quake champions is free if you install it by the 25th
22:28 <@killdash9> I disable Slack and email.
22:28 < alazare619> https://store.steampowered.com/app/611500/Quake_Champions/
22:28 <+giant_it_burrit> cisco asa5512-x
22:28 <+giant_it_burrit> any feelings about it?
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> asa?? thats so like 00'
22:28 <+AnonymooseWork> old school
22:29 < Hunterkll> AnimalFarmPig, i work for a government contractor, i'm sure they don't want me accessing my email via russian internet
22:29 < Hunterkll> lol
22:29 < node808> lol
22:29 < genr8_> https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/security/asa-5500-series-next-generation-firewalls/eos-eol-notice-c51-738644.html
22:29 < misspwn> AnimalFarmPig: i did
22:29 < Hunterkll> especially given that i have system level access to almost all internal servers
22:29 < Hunterkll> lol
22:29 < misspwn> because 40 minutes on hold with ESET and i finally got someone
22:29 < ebol4> alazare619: they made me play like 5 bot matches before they let you play against actual people
22:30 < ebol4> and they don't let you queue up JUST for straight deathmatch for some reason
22:30 < ebol4> so you keep ending up in instagib
22:30 < alazare619> https://store.steampowered.com/app/322110/20XX/ OMG OMG OMG ITS MEGAMAN!!!!
22:30 < genr8_> Product Migration Options: The migration solution for the ASA5512-X and ASA5515-X is the Cisco ASA5516-X.
22:30 < alazare619> the bluebomber is back!
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: uh....
22:31 < AnimalFarmPig> Hunterkll: haha, yeah, that makes sense
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> that game does NOT move like i remember megaman :(
22:31 < Jekotia> alazare619: You don't even need to install it, actually. Clicking "Install" on the store page is enough to register it to your account, if you're logged in
22:31 <@JollyRgrs> megaman 2 or die
22:31 < alazare619> this is more like megaman x
22:32 < Kobe`> get on my diamond 2 level JollyRgrs
22:37 < Hunterkll> whats the 'best' raspberry pi
22:37 < rpifan> me
22:37 < rpifan> im the best
22:37 < Hunterkll> i just got my PiDP-8 kit
22:37 < Hunterkll> rpifan, too small to fit
22:37 < Hunterkll> sorry
22:37 < Jekotia> What are my options for automating interaction with an installer that doesn't support /quiet or equivalent? I'm finding a lot of nothing :/
22:38 < rpifan> im to small?
22:38 < Jekotia> I think the kit is too small to fit you inside it
22:38 < genr8_> autohotkey ?
22:38 < khelpw> Silent install builder Jekotia
22:39 < asimon> Jekotia: often times there's a record switch that allows you to click through the installer and have it spit out a config file at you
22:39 < khelpw> If it's stupid and it works, then it isn't stupid. And that will produce an. Msi installer for easy distribution
22:39 < asimon> also lol @ genr8_
22:42 < Jekotia> asimon: Nope. They were kind enough to include this in their FAQ: "Is it possible to use a silent / scripted installation so the IT department can install Altium Designer comfortable on multiple PCs?
22:42 < Jekotia> No. Currently this is not supported."
22:42 < asimon> Well
22:42 < Jekotia> khelpw: Thanks, I'll give that a try
22:42 < asimon> As they say
22:43 < asimon> I guess you're fucked
22:44 < khelpw> No sweat, they have a free trial too if you want to make sure it'll work before you buy it
22:46 < Jekotia> Oh, well fuck me. This software gets installed so rarely no one will okay buying SIB for it, lol. Thanks anyways.
22:46 < genr8_> whats SIB
22:46 < Jekotia> Silent Install Builder
22:47 < Hunterkll> whats the top raspberry pi model
22:47 <+CheckYourSix> 3 B+
22:47 < Atro> Your mom
22:47 < Hunterkll> kk
22:47 < Hunterkll> 3 B+ i tis then
22:47 <+CheckYourSix> What are you doing with it
22:48 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, i just got my PiDP-8 kit http://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-8
22:48 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: Depending on what you're after, two options. 3 B+ has the most power, but the Zero is smaller which can be better for making things
22:48 < vinrock> "Indiana troopers stop truck dumping human poop on U.S. 50 near Brownstown"
22:48 < vinrock> kek
22:48 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, its going inside a box
22:48 < Hunterkll> lol
22:48 < Hunterkll> it doeshnt matter
22:48 < Hunterkll> the PCB has alignment for full size pi anyway
22:49 < Jekotia> The GPIO is the same on the Zero AFAIK
22:49 < Hunterkll> i'm aware
22:49 < Hunterkll> but i'll just get the most powerful piece of shit i can
22:49 < Hunterkll> since it's still a raspberry pi and still a piece of mis-designed shit
22:50 < Jekotia> Did a RPi kill your dog or something?
22:50 < Hunterkll> no, it's just retardedly designed
22:50 < Hunterkll> beaglebone much better boards
22:50 < abakedapplepie> https://imgur.com/j1Lupld
22:50 < Hunterkll> but this kit is explicitly designed around the Pi
22:50 < Hunterkll> so
22:50 < Jekotia> Care to elaborate, instead of insulting it?
22:50 < abakedapplepie> what ever happened to the intel edison platform
22:50 < Hunterkll> ded
22:50 < abakedapplepie> i won one of those and never even got it
22:50 < abakedapplepie> bastards
22:50 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, how about gigabit ethernet on the 3 that can only ever hit 300mbps
22:50 < Hunterkll> lol
22:51 < Hunterkll> or I/O deadlocks when writing to SD from an incoming ethernet transfer
22:51 < Hunterkll> etc
22:51 < Hunterkll> it's just straight retarded
22:51 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: I agree with the IO thing, but the ethernet is reasonable
22:51 < Hunterkll> ...?
22:51 < Jekotia> The alternative would be sticking to 10/100
22:51 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, most other proper SOC ones can achive much higher throughput
22:51 < Jekotia> Would you prefer it be slower?
22:52 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, i'd prefer my Gigabit ethernet to not be on a USB 2.0 bus on a board that doesn't need external bus
22:52 < Hunterkll> er, external wiring
22:52 < abakedapplepie> ^
22:54 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, nevermind the fact that using the ethernet mimpacts the rest of the USB system meaning your external HDD is slowed up too
22:54 < Hunterkll> so you then get even more throughput reduction
22:54 < Maarten> Hunterkll, gigabit adapters are "you get what you pay for". Intel adapters come with their own processing chip and are typically guaranteed to route 1 Gbps back and forth.... Realtek NIC's are a different matter, they rely on the CPU of the machine. If you CPU is decent, you'll see 1 Gbit/s no problem. If the CPU is crappy OR busy, you may see much crappier throughputs. This said, I have no idea what ethernet chip is on the raspies.
22:54 < Hunterkll> Maarten, i'm not talking about external adapters
22:54 < Maarten> That goes for on-board as well as external
22:54 < Hunterkll> Maarten, i'm talking about the braindead design of the raspberry pi
22:55 < Hunterkll> i'm very intimately familiar with how network hardware works, thanks ;)
22:55 < Maarten> yeah, raspies suck :P
22:55 < Hunterkll> now fuck off before i cut you with some mellanox cards i have laying on the floor
22:55 < Hunterkll> >:3
22:55 < Maarten> same principle: "get what you pay for". If I need a small silent machine for some task, I will shell out for something better.
22:55 < Jekotia> Hunterkll: What's it like having no friends?
22:56 < Hunterkll> Jekotia, i wouldn't know, i have plenty :>
22:56 < Hunterkll> wut
22:56 < Hunterkll> LOL
22:56 < Hunterkll> CAN bus built into an SBC
22:56 < Hunterkll> neat
22:57 < Hunterkll> but yes, because of how it's done it's ... relatively useless for any type of low power storage server unless you mind sub-100mbit speeds
22:57 < Hunterkll> er, don't mind
22:57 < sideup66> Is gon rain!
22:58 < asimon> aight
22:58 < asimon> have a good weekend friends
23:00 < dragonfleas> today is friday right?
23:00 < Jekotia> No
23:00 < Jekotia> It's Monday
23:00 < Hunterkll> ^
23:00 < Hunterkll> lol wtf
23:00 < Hunterkll> on the amazon page
23:00 < dragonfleas> fuck
23:00 < Jekotia> Get your shit together dragonfleas !
23:00 < Hunterkll> i can get professional installation for the raspberry pi
23:00 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/ELEMENT-Element14-Raspberry-Pi-Motherboard/dp/B07BDR5PDW/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1529700460&sr=1-7&keywords=raspberry+pi+3+b%2B
23:00 < Hunterkll> $85 for professional installation
23:00 < dragonfleas> i've not been doing any config changes today when i could have been
23:00 < Hunterkll> lol wtf
23:00 < rpifan> im the profesionall installer
23:00 < dragonfleas> ^LOL
23:01 < dragonfleas> rpifan, i was about to tag you
23:01 < Hunterkll> Service will take place at the customer's location / Removal of existing CPU from desktop / Installation of one customer-supplied CPU / Installing new drivers / Component test and cleanup
23:01 < Hunterkll> good luck on that
23:01 < Jekotia> For $85 you can have rpifan delivered to your home!
23:01 < Hunterkll> "Yes i need you to install a new raspberry pi into my pdp-8
23:01 < dragonfleas> they fucking solder the raspberry pi to the motherboard
23:01 <+CheckYourSix> Jekotia: Don't scare me like that
23:01 < Jekotia> CheckYourSix: Context or fight me to the death in #donger
23:02 <+CheckYourSix> <Jekotia> For $85 you can have rpifan delivered to your home!
23:02 < Jekotia> I'm clearly missing something
23:02 <+CheckYourSix> That's a scary thought
23:02 < Jekotia> Oh, it is?
23:02 < Maarten> I'll do it for $75.
23:03 < Maarten> + travel costs ;)
23:03 < Hunterkll> lol
23:03 < Hunterkll> i'll suck dick for $75 + travel costs
23:03 < Hunterkll> literally
23:03 < Jekotia> Maarten: No, you get delivered in the same box as the Rpi from amazon
23:03 < Hunterkll> has to be on american airlines and on my frequent flyer #  though
23:03 < Maarten> Jekotia,  :D
23:04 < rpifan> lol
23:04 < Jekotia> Maarten: The air holes, however, cost extra, and the purpose is not clearly explained
23:04 < Jekotia> So you may or may not survive shipping
23:04 < rpifan> im fine as long as someone in germany orders me
23:06 < Maarten> *flights to germany go through moscow. Weather might delay shipments in moscow for several weeks. In winter.
23:06 < rpifan> looooll no
23:06 < Maarten> small print ;)
23:08 < AnimalFarmPig> <Hunterkll> i'll suck dick for $75 + travel costs     <----- trying to undercut your mum?
23:08 < AnimalFarmPig> sorry, too good to pass up
23:08 < AnimalFarmPig> was joke, pls no angry
23:08 < Jekotia> pls all angry
23:09 < dragonfleas> anybody here run a completely non active directory infrastructure?
23:09 < Jekotia> dragonfleas: Yep, unfortunately
23:10 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: Turn the Pi into a DC
23:10 < dragonfleas> How is it?
23:10 < dragonfleas> are you using any other LDAP services?
23:10 < Jekotia> I'm uncertain if infrastructure is the right word
23:10 < Jekotia> I wish
23:10 < rpifan> lol
23:10 < Jekotia> Things break faster than I can fix them, have had no time to try and improve things overall
23:10 < dragonfleas> Hmmmm
23:10 < dragonfleas> I feel that spiritually
23:10 < Jekotia> would not recommend
23:10 < dragonfleas> Last IT guy left me with a fucking mess
23:10 < dragonfleas> just ask admiralspark|afk
23:11 < Casteil> AnimalFarmPig: trying to undercut *your* mom. she'll do it for free but the herpes ain't worth it
23:13 < AnimalFarmPig> no no no, to undercut one must offer a lower price
23:14 < Casteil> $75 is a lower price than herpes.
23:14 < AnimalFarmPig> not if you've already got herpes
23:14 < AnimalFarmPig> checkmate std-frees
23:23 < enix> enix[h]: fuck off cunt you're not even the real slim enix
23:25 < enix> Holy fuck... I added a new disk to my raid yesterday at about 9am
23:25 < enix> It's still sitting there like "adding disk... 31.19%"
23:29 < Alderin> enix: Depending on the controller and disk speeds, and if it is in use or not during rebuild, and the size of the array... that's not really surprising.
23:30 < Alderin> That extended time is why RAID5 is deprecated, there's a non-trivial chance of another failure during the rebuild which could kill the whole dataset.
23:34 < enix> O.O
23:34  * enix crosses fingers that raid6 doesn't have those issues
23:35 < Alderin> RAID6 doesn't have that issue, because it can lose two disks and still function.
23:35 < enix> Fantastic
23:35 < AnimalFarmPig> RAID 15 also doesn't have this issue
23:35 < enix> I really really wish I had been the one to build this storage solution, I'm a little smitten with it
23:36 < Alderin> You'll only have that finger-crossing, holding breath kind of moment if you actually have the second drive fail during a rebuild, and then have the array rebuilding two drives.
23:36 < enix> Idk why but I just like it
23:36 < enix> I reckon that'll happen to me soon lol
23:39 < Alderin> AnimalFarmPig: Parity AND mirroring, so the worst performance, but also the worst drive space efficiency? I think I'll pass.
23:40 < alazare619> i prefer raid 150
23:40 < AnimalFarmPig> Alderin: RAID 15 is what all the cool kids are using
23:40 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: nah we are on raid 150 now
23:41 < alazare619> multiple raid 0's striped to raid 5's and each of those are in a raid 1
23:41 < alazare619> 150
23:41 < AnimalFarmPig> I mean, sure, 150 is cool and all if you don't care about your data
23:42 < xamithan> Just use BeeGFS
23:42 < Alderin> AnimalFarmPig: Are you suggesting 6150? :D
23:43 < AnimalFarmPig> xamithan: I was looking at that the other day. Do you use it? How do you like it?
23:43 < AnimalFarmPig> Alderin: that's better. That's the kind of thing I would expect a Serious Business (tm) to use
23:43 < xamithan> Place I interviewed at used it.  With a high speed pipe all you got to do is plug it in
23:43 < AnimalFarmPig> seems a lot simpler than gluster or ceph
23:43 < AnimalFarmPig> which is a good thing
23:44 < AustinS> whats peoples feels @ 45drives (or w/e it's called) vs others?
23:44 < genr8_> Storinator
23:44 < Alderin> What should I do with ten old 60gb SSD drives?
23:44 < AustinS> Alderin, trash
23:45 < AnimalFarmPig> cache
23:45 < genr8_> save them for cache
23:45 < khelpw> RAID10?
23:45 < khelpw> then you almost have a usable volume for an OS or something lol
23:45 < Alderin> *almost*
23:46 < AnimalFarmPig> https://i.imgflip.com/2cq10d.jpg  <--- this
23:46 < Alderin> I mean, a desktop Linux would run amazingly on one, but Windows eats the whole drive with its updates, no room for user data anymore.
23:47 < Alderin> AnimalFarmPig: lol
23:47 < xamithan> Why windows? eewww
23:47 < Alderin> I wish our environment had a good file server that I could put them in as cache, but... nope.
23:48 < Alderin> xamithan: If it were my choice, it wouldn't be Windows, but too many "critical applications" require Windows.
23:48 < AnimalFarmPig> I wish Windows would have a native implementation of SSD caching. There's ReadyBoost, but it's not any good. Various vendors have software that, afaik, implements this at the driver level, but it's something that should be built-in imo
23:48 < xamithan> You mean they require a windows VM
23:49 < AnimalFarmPig> they've tried it in the past but it was always shitty execution
23:49 < AnimalFarmPig> bcache on Linux, on the other hand, has seemed really solid and well performing when I've used it
23:57 < LilLinux> test
23:57 < Alderin> response
23:57 < LilLinux> ty
23:57 < Alderin> :)
23:57 < LilLinux> Just downloaded hexchat. Tired of using my browser
23:58 < LilLinux> Soooooo this intern has another question for your guys!
23:58 < Alderin> I have an answer for you.
23:58 < LilLinux> How would you approach patching windows boxes on a single airgaped network?
23:58 < LilLinux> And no wsus offline
23:58 < LilLinux> Boss wont let me use that tool
23:59 < Kobe`> usb stick
23:59 < LilLinux> Damn
23:59 < xamithan> I wouldn't patch at all
23:59 < Kobe`> but the real answer is
23:59 < Kobe`> how many boxes?
23:59 < Kobe`> what kind of patches?
23:59 < Kobe`> how much time do you have?
23:59 < Kobe`> how often will you be patching?
23:59 < Kobe`> is downtime an issue?
23:59 < LilLinux> 2 VMs, 3 physical. Probably monthly
23:59 < Kobe`> usb
23:59 < genr8_> maunally.
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