--- Log opened Sat Jun 23 00:00:01 2018
--- Day changed Sat Jun 23 2018
00:00 < Kobe`> well... how far away is it?
00:00  * Alderin agrees
00:00 < Kobe`> if they're airtight why do they need to be patched?
00:00 < LilLinux> 2 here. 1 at COLO
00:00 < Kobe`> can it be done quaterly
00:01 < LilLinux> I don't know why they need to be patched if they're air-gaped. I need to ask my boss
00:01 < xamithan> Thats why I said no patches at all
00:01 < AnimalFarmPig> <Kobe`> if they're airtight why do they need to be patched?   <---- found the Iranian nuclear centrifuge control system sysadmin
00:01 < LilLinux> Is the increased security worth the trade off?
00:01 < AustinS> probably to be extra safe.. if history has shown nothing is ever completely air gapped
00:01 < Alderin> If they are development boxes, then dev should have a say in the schedule. If they are truly airgapped, updates are only for functionality, so if things work, leave it alone.
00:02 < AustinS> ^ yeah @ that incident
00:02 < pcspkr> patching is not that hard
00:02 < xamithan> Kind of hard when you got to drive how many ever hours to the colo with a usb.
00:03 < AustinS> probably best to have something that can securely act as a patch server for them, and load the patches in some secure way.. but depends why they are air gapped and how secure that needs to be
00:03 < AnimalFarmPig> if you decide to air gap the machines, you've basically asking for exactly that
00:03 < LilLinux> Is it possible to just download updates to a WSUS server, disconnect it from public, then push out updates to the airgap?
00:03 < AnimalFarmPig> a hassle every time you want to work on them
00:03 < pcspkr> LilLinux: yes
00:03 < genr8_> yes
00:03 < LilLinux> Whats wrong with doing that?
00:03 < genr8_> the clients can be set to only communicate with the WSUS server too
00:03 < AustinS> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2008-R2-and-2008/dd939873(v=ws.10)
00:05 < Alderin> Nothing I can think of. The WSUS system will contact the outside world, then separately contact the airgapped net. It could possibly maybe be a vulnerability, but if it has good AV and anti-malware, and is treated right, there shouldn't be an issue.
00:06 < LilLinux> Stupid question, it would be safer right to disable the public facing NIC or ethernet cable right after dling the updates to the server?
00:07 <@cryptic1> .....
00:07 < pcspkr> if you're serious about security there won't be any direct network connectivity at all
00:07 < pcspkr> but a data diode
00:07 < xamithan> What would that accomplish
00:07 < Alderin> If not, that's a hole in the airgap.
00:07 < AustinS> ideally you'd load up the WSUS server and bring it in, otherwise that's not really airgapped
00:07 < pcspkr> that you use to transfer the data
00:07 < LilLinux> data diode?
00:07 < pcspkr> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidirectional_network
00:07 < AustinS> even if just online for a few minutes if it's touching both networks you're done for, risk wise
00:07  * Alderin nods
00:07 < LilLinux> Ah I see
00:07 < pcspkr> yeah it only takes seconds to compromise something with a properly weaponized exploit
00:08 < xamithan> Could be already vulnerable and release worms the second a new network connection is brought up
00:08 < xamithan> You never know
00:08 < Alderin> One NIC. Connect to public and get updates. Disconnect, connect to airgap, provide updates.
00:08 < pcspkr> of course establishing a control channel and importing/exporting data would be hard when it's airgapped
00:09 < LilLinux> Thanks you guys. Gonna do some more research then talk to my boss!!
00:10 < Alderin> Of course, if you're REALLY serious about security: Don't. Use. Windows.
00:10 < Kobe`> @LilLinux,  it's important you understand why this is airgapped
00:11 < Kobe`> it will help you answer the other questions
00:11 < pcspkr> a properly hardened windows is secure
00:11 < pcspkr> microsoft's track record these days is great
00:11 < Alderin> Track recort != code review.
00:12 < xamithan> They can't even stop piracy
00:12 < Alderin> s/recort/record/
00:12 < pcspkr> that code review really saved us from heartbleed
00:12  * Alderin winces.
00:12 < Alderin> pcspkr: If it is airgapped, heartbleed isn't a concern.
00:17 < Alderin> pcspkr: But I am not saying that code review is perfect, it depends on those doing the review. However, I can VET the people *I* get to do the review... or I can trust Microsoft? The Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt kings? The Embrace, Extend, Extinguish group?
00:18 < pcspkr> you can get access to windows source code if you want to audit it
00:18 < Alderin> pcspkr: As long as you never want to write another piece of code in your life that Microsoft doesn't own.
00:19 < pcspkr> are you 12?
00:19 < Alderin> Have you read their EULAs?
00:20 < pcspkr> they're pretty much unenforceable in europe
00:21 < enix> Wait did m$ buy github outright or did they become a primary share holder
00:21 < pcspkr> bought
00:21 < enix> ouch
00:22 < enix> We all saw how that went for minecraft so let's see how it goes for github -.-
00:23 < LilLinux> Hello everyone! Looks like my task for now is learning how to setup WSUS for the first time.
00:23 < enix> LilLinux: apt-get install wsus-devel
00:23 < pcspkr> it's easy
00:23 < _KaszpiR_> Alderin 60GB ssd? trash
00:24 < genr8_> stop throwing computer parts in the trash you over-spoiled ingrates
00:24 < LilLinux> wait enix you are confusing me
00:25 < genr8_> that was a joke
00:25 < enix> LilLinux: I'm fucking about haha
00:25 < LilLinux> omg lol
00:25 < LilLinux> I had an existential crisis
00:25 < genr8_> me too. i typed it in.
00:25 < genr8_> then im like OK got me
00:25 < enix> my first task at my new job was to fix the broken backup nas (frame died and was replaced but the replacement wasnt working), add two disks to one of our raid groups and migrate our data from an old nas to a new one
00:26 < enix> I'm day five and have been taking my time with it, and have finished like 80% of my work
00:26 < enix> lol
00:26 < LilLinux> @Kobe Its airgaped cause we work on movies before release
00:26 < LilLinux> Kobe:
00:26 < LilLinux> how df do you @ someone
00:26 < genr8_> hot
00:26 < genr8_> you dont
00:26 < genr8_> its manual mode
00:27 < genr8_> LilLinux: the @'ing is client side based on nick detection
00:28 < enix> lol
00:28 < enix> you youngens
00:28 < enix> with your hashtags and your @ing
00:29 <+giant_it_burrit> this aint discord!!!
00:29 < enix> genr8_: say something like "blah blah enix"
00:29 < xamithan> This is slack
00:29 < enix> xamithan: NO THIS IS SPARTA
00:29 < enix> wait.. I mean Patrick
00:29 < LilLinux> Im just a boy
00:29 < enix> Can someone please saying something like "blah blah enix"
00:30 < genr8_> are you at work right now
00:30 < enix> I want to see how my tagging goes
00:30 < LilLinux> yes
00:30 < xamithan> What is saying
00:30 < genr8_> You gotta get your hostname cloaked because your IP is visible
00:30 <+giant_it_burrit> not yet a woman?
00:30 < LilLinux> shit
00:30 < genr8_> go into #freenode and ask for a vhost cloak
00:30 < genr8_> make sure you register your nick with nickserv first
00:30 < enix> oh is that how you do it
00:31 < enix> he has to to be in here
00:31 < genr8_> idk thats how i got mine
00:31 < enix> lmfao genr8_ I like how we both whoised him at the same time though
00:31 < LilLinux> stahp
00:31 < pcspkr> genr8_: who gives a shit :p
00:32 < xamithan> Why do I need a cloak
00:32 < genr8_> luckily i dont care. but someone might.
00:32 < enix> xamithan: Do you know where I work?
00:32 < xamithan> nasa?
00:32 < enix> Nope. See now if I said something on here which was a little nsfw
00:33 < enix> Given that I work for rather large companies in media, radio and now conservation, if I said something that was slightly contrary to company values and someone just so happened to feel like a dick... *cough* Hunterkll *cough*.. they could report what has been said
00:34 < enix> I saw Hunterkll not because he's a snitch, but because that CUNT put a 1Bill isk bounty on me which IM STILL NOT OVER
00:34 < enix> AND I STILL PROBABLY FUCKING HAVE
00:34 < xamithan> But what does a cloak accomplish that a vps, vpn, or proxy doesn't?
00:34 < enix> Anyway. It's always safer to be safe.
00:34 < enix> um... it's easier?
00:34 < xamithan> ok
00:34 < LilLinux> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Cloaks
00:34 < xamithan> I just see those cloak all the time join with IP then the reconnect with cloak
00:35 < LilLinux> Did you meet these requirements?
00:35 < enix> Proxying you gotta diddle about with config, same with VPN, and a VPS sucks if you have bad latency
00:35 < xamithan> Doesn't seem very secure
00:35 < enix> xamithan: better than nothing in a pinch
00:35 < genr8_> those are the mediawiki cloaks
00:36 < Jagster``> LilLinux,  makes sense you would not want to have those connected to the internet
00:36 < Jagster``> usb sounds like the plan
00:36 < Jagster``> i would personally lower the patch intervals because i'm lazy but if you have nothing else to do patch it monthly
00:37 < Alderin> blah blah enix
00:37 < enix> THANK YOU Alderin
00:37 < Alderin> lol
00:37 < genr8_> xamithan: thats bad config if they join with the IP and recloak.
00:37 < enix> So irssi client only cares about tag at beginning of sentence (without mods)
00:38 < genr8_> this page entails the possible security oversights with cloaks: https://gist.github.com/maxteufel/1e2cf7ada079c271bd3c
00:38 < LilLinux> oh im stupid
00:38 < enix> NOt really
00:38 < enix> Just uninitiated
00:38 < enix> IRC is a pita to get your head around
00:38 < LilLinux> mhmm
00:38 < xamithan> Mirc best client
00:38 < Church-> Heya folks
00:39 < enix> LilLinux: btw your parallax sucks on your website
00:39 < Alderin> Hi Church-
00:39 < LilLinux> ??
00:39 < enix> LilLinux: the way the background scrolls :P
00:41 < LilLinux> Im confused what did you do to me?
00:41 < enix> Nothing?
00:41 < enix> layer-eight:
00:41 < LilLinux> user error?
00:42 < enix> `aka Hunterkll
00:42 < enix> ~aka Hunterkll
00:42 < enix> !aka Hunterkll
00:42 < enix> is layer-eight not talking to us now
00:42 < genr8_> the bot gives up occasionally
00:43 < enix> How rude
00:43 < Alderin> Sometimes I miss writing chatbots.
00:43 < Hunterkll> what the fuck is wrong with you
00:43 < Alderin> What? They are fun to write.
00:45 < enix> He's talking about me tagging him constantly
00:46 < enix> Hunterkll: you're the only person I KNOW has multiple aliases which are known to the channel, and I wanted to test out the bot. Sorry for the tags
00:46 < Hunterkll> enix, yea, i have hunterkll, hunterkll_ and hunterkll__
00:46 < Hunterkll> in the current configuraiton anyway
00:47 < Hunterkll> seemingly
00:47 < enix> and seto_kaiba
00:47 < Hunterkll> that one has not appeared in a while
00:47 < enix> akas not working though and layer-eight is pouting for some reason :(
00:47 < Hunterkll> i don't know if my irc config is borked
00:47 < Hunterkll> but it's just adding _'s these days
00:47 < enix> You should rewrite it to do some old school shit
00:47 < enix> like @@_Hunterkll_""
00:47 < enix> Urgh.. euro keyboard
00:49 < enix> Anyone know if you need to install ssl certs on mail servers?
00:49 < enix> i'm new to administering this
00:50 < pcspkr> nobody verifies them
00:50 < enix> getting tls handshake errors
00:50 < pcspkr> since some people - STILL - don't even do encryption
00:51 < genr8_> lot of things try to use encryption by default now for mail server ports
00:51 < pcspkr> https://transparencyreport.google.com/safer-email/overview
00:51 < genr8_> IMAP uses port 143 , but SSL/TLS encrypted IMAP uses port 993 .
00:51 < genr8_> POP uses port 110 , but SSL/TLS encrypted POP uses port 995 .
00:51 < genr8_> SMTP uses port 25 , but SSL/TLS encrypted SMTP uses port 465 .
00:52 < pcspkr> they all use STARTTLS on the original port
00:52 < enix> Yeah I know those basics but actually like being in control of a complex linux based email setup has proven to be a learning experience
00:52 < genr8_> thats why i dont run one
00:52 < genr8_> fuck email
00:54 < AustinS> oh man yeah mail.. lol
00:55 < AustinS> i manage one that just does virt users and email alias forwarding, and that's a pain.. i've said I never wanted to manage anything that actually has real users/mailboxes
00:55 < enix> haha yeah noone really wants to but i kinda like the idea
00:56 < enix> I really dont like that I can't add emails to my phone. It's all locked behind the network with a mail server allowing external mail, but you can't log into your account -.-
00:57 < AnimalFarmPig> <_KaszpiR_> 60GB ssd? trash    <---- don't trash it. It could contain harmful chemicals. If you have any SSD's you need to get rid of, send them to me and I will safely dispose of them.
00:57 < enix> bye Spike
00:57 < genr8_> heh
00:58 < genr8_> AnimalFarmPig: admirable
00:58 < AnimalFarmPig> just doing my part for the environment
00:58 < enix> What did LilLinux say he was doing for work
00:58 < _KaszpiR_> what I ment is that 60GB nowadays are rather shit and not worth using for anything else than mostly read only operations
00:59 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm a big fan of bcache, and 60GB is plenty for that
01:00 < _KaszpiR_> it really depends on use case
01:00 < AnimalFarmPig> like all things
01:00 < AnimalFarmPig> looking forward to trying bcachefs soon
01:01 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, from https://bcachefs.org/   "The COW filesystem for Linux that won't eat your data".  fucking savage
01:02 < _KaszpiR_> bcache with slow ssd?
01:02 < _KaszpiR_> hm :/
01:02 < AnimalFarmPig> even slow SSD is going to seek faster than a spinny drive
01:03 < AnimalFarmPig> and bcache detects sequential vs random disk access passing through sequentials to the spinny drives, because they're good at that
01:03 < _KaszpiR_> seek sure, but random write on slow ssd will also be slow
01:03 < AnimalFarmPig> you can set write policy
01:03 < AnimalFarmPig> writeback, writethrough, and... uhhh forget what it's called, but ignore completely
01:04 < AnimalFarmPig> writearound, I think
01:04 < _KaszpiR_> writefuckit ;D
01:06 < enix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13929692
01:06 < enix> Wonder how true that is about Kents story.
01:08 < _KaszpiR_> AnimalFarmPig well I  prefer zfs
01:08 < _KaszpiR_> on the other hand wondering how bcache would work with instance-store on AWS :D
01:09 < AnimalFarmPig> I prefer Linux, and never really used too many zfs features when I had a zfs appliances, so I'm happy to use bcache for now and wait for bcachefs to mature a bit more
01:09 < AnimalFarmPig> it works in front of any block device
01:09 < Nightcinder> i prefer winders
01:10 < _KaszpiR_> zfsonlinuks works pretty well
01:10 < AnimalFarmPig> I'd rather not use third party modules if I can
01:10 < _KaszpiR_> it's in the kernel
01:10 < _KaszpiR_> well okay
01:11 < _KaszpiR_> but i've seen more 'wtf' from other sources
01:11 < AnimalFarmPig> not mainline though, right? I thought there were licensing issues?
01:14 < genr8_> its just a slightly different version
01:15 < _KaszpiR_> there are licensing issues, yes so it cannot be as part of kernel, but still tehy can provide binary and source
01:15 < genr8_> zfs on BSD is the true zfs
01:15 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
01:16 < _KaszpiR_> yeah
01:16 < AnimalFarmPig> I just don't find zfs compelling enough to install a module that's not in the mainline kernel
01:16 < AnimalFarmPig> I've been pretty happy with mdadm + bcache + xfs
01:17 < AnimalFarmPig> performs a lot better than FreeNAS + zfs did with the same hardware, and I don't use the other features anyway
01:17 < enix> anyone have any info handy on how to deal with bounce backs and shit on a mail server
01:18 < _KaszpiR_> snapshots are pretty awesome
01:18 < _KaszpiR_> and the way they can be used is just mind blowingly easy
01:18 < AnimalFarmPig> as a bonus, the system that ran freenas is now just a plain boring linux box with storage exported over NFS and CIFS
01:19 < enix> welcome back LilLinux
01:19 < Kobe`> enix,  does this help? https://mxtoolbox.com/
01:19 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm familiar with snapshots, just not very relevant for what I do :shrug:
01:19 < AnimalFarmPig> nor do I need to zfs send
01:19 < _KaszpiR_> ah okay
01:20 < derpingit> whadaaaap
01:23 < enix> Holy shit
01:23 < enix> internet just dropped out
01:23  * enix entered full on panic
01:25 < BronzeEagle> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOUiAr9-KSo
01:30 < Church-> enix: Blow your brains out. Its the only way.
01:39 < enix> lol the date on my switch is saying 01/01/90
01:40 < enix> oh thatsin the log.. okay...
01:41 < enix> yeah power failure... thank god
01:41 < enix> bbl checking power
01:45 < Alderin> I guess enix is connected here via something other than w*rk bandwidth.
01:55 < admiralspark|afk> enix: you need a UPS brah
01:55 < admiralspark|afk> oops
01:57 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: I'm assuming you don't spend much time resizing disks online?
01:57 < admiralspark> Or shrinking them like....ever?
01:57 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: no
01:57 < admiralspark> I love my centos boxes right up until I need to resize disk....then XFS rears it's ugly head.
01:58 < xamithan> xfs is fine for resize disks,  just not shrink
01:58 < AnimalFarmPig> I've done an offline resize (increasing in size) xfs
01:58 < AnimalFarmPig> iirc, you can't shrink
01:58 < xamithan> Who needs less storage anyway
01:59 < admiralspark> my stuff for the most part has a need to be online, and when it works fine in coughWindowscough but not on XFS....you have to question if going back to EXT4 should be considered :P
01:59 < admiralspark> haha
01:59 < admiralspark> xamithan: we have....odd workloads.
01:59 < admiralspark> tbh
01:59 < admiralspark> most of the time it's just fixing bullshit builds where someone let it make /home a terabyte
02:00 < admiralspark> uphill battle but I'm winning on templated builds
02:00 < xamithan> Sounds like you need config manager O.o
02:00 < admiralspark> adding large stores is much easier with ZFS though. Need another four disks in a ZRAID2? three lines and boom, it's done
02:01 < admiralspark> xamithan: tell me about it! Hard to keep the passion some days when I'm the only one using ansible and everyone else is a next next finisher
02:01 < admiralspark> do these people enjoy wasting time???
02:01 < admiralspark> hahaha
02:01 < xamithan> Write a script to replace them!
02:01 < admiralspark> but, there's shit I can't do as fast with my tools (yet) so I can't say my way is the 100% best way
02:01 < admiralspark> hahah
02:02 < xamithan> Don't matter if it isn't as fast if you don't have to spend time babysitting it, heh
02:02 < enix> admiralspark: It is on a UPS which is fun
02:02 < admiralspark> I'm slowly building a case to replace many of our T1 stuff with automation
02:02 < admiralspark> enix: hahahaha
02:02 < enix> Anyone here ever contacted microsoft about their wallpapers
02:02 < enix> I kind of want to submit some work to them
02:03 < admiralspark> xamithan: just finished building a rundeck instance that has jobs triggered by our monitoring server on alert. Automated remediation of a couple issues we have recurring that the vendor has no permanent fix for.
02:03 < admiralspark> The future is now!
02:03 < AustinS> enix, you'll never outdo the windows xp default! work of art
02:03 < AustinS> belongs in a museum
02:04 < enix> No but it could be good promo for our business :P
02:05 < AustinS> im sure there must be somewhere to submit/suggest it.. or I'll at least get it secretly bundled into our OS build at work :p
02:06 < xamithan> Yeah,  you need those company wallpapers so people don't forget where they work
02:06 < AustinS>  / could always write a malware that just replaces backgroudns with yours :) lol
02:06 < AustinS> ugh I know lol. i dont wanna see how to contact helpdesk 24/7
02:06 < enix> hahaha
02:07 < xamithan> Well it makes sense if you are contracted out
02:07 < enix> The only use i've seen for those is to have the IP or hostname on the machine so that the users can tell you where they are
02:07 < AustinS> oh ours are just static not useful. lol
02:08 < AustinS> and true xamithan. but on top of that they have the pre-login popup (on macs too) with all the info
02:08 < AustinS>  / letting you know that they will spy on you lol
02:08 < xamithan> Why not make a company one that has like..  Helpful commands on it?  Like those linux CLI wallpapers people make
02:09 < enix> At a previous company we distributed some desktop icons to clients that did the commands automatically
02:10 < enix> Did our software just freeze on you? Double click this icon.
02:10 < AustinS> yeah on our dev boxes (linux) the motd just has useful commands
02:10 < enix> Basically took a dump, uploaded to our ftp, sent an email to our support and we then had to call the bloody user within 15 minutes
02:10 < enix> That's pretty cool
02:10 < AustinS> "want to disable the forced https?  type this one-worder"
02:10 < AustinS> "enable all debug tools? type this!"
02:10 < enix> I mean.. it's why motd was probably created; to be useful
02:10 < enix> Instead it just get's ignored
02:10 < AustinS> yeah :P
02:11 < xamithan> Well it is always some stupid disclaimer like Hey, this is xandx system,  you are being recorded,  please stop if you are not authorized
02:11 < xamithan> That dates back to some court case where hacker got off because the company didn't have a disclaimer
02:11 < sideup66> why the fuck does netflix care if their app is on a phone that is rooted
02:11 < AustinS> yeah only servers that have that dumb disclaimer is switches/routers, everything else like .. use common sense obv your shit is logged somewhere
02:11 < enix> Computers used to be much more user-centric if you ask me. You had the motd which could be configured any way you like, so you could have company bulletins posted as soon as you login, and you constantly got alerts of emails coming in (talking via shell)
02:11 < enix> sideup66: because you could record their stuff
02:12 < sideup66> cant download the app from the play store because it thinks i am rooted (i was, not anymore)
02:12 < sideup66> lol
02:12 < enix> You could even double-tab to see all available commands
02:12 < sideup66> still wont let me install, had to download from their site
02:12 < enix> Now I can't even ask cortana to find an app on my coputer because she just wants to search Bing
02:12 < AustinS> google never forgets ;x
02:12 < enix> google never forgives ;x
02:12 < AustinS> i was juts gonna type "nor forgives" lol
02:12 < enix> google is legion.
02:13 < pcspkr> lol I wonder how supported my configuration is at this point
02:14 < sideup66> #welcometothebotnet
02:14 < pcspkr> I'm migrating a satellite server from vmware to hyper-v
02:15 < pcspkr> I exported the vmdk's and converted them to vhdx
02:15 < sideup66> this is why plex is easier :P
02:15 < sideup66> get a bigass hard drive
02:15 < sideup66> decent computer
02:15 < pcspkr> then I created a new VM with new disks and created the same partition layout but smaller
02:15 < sideup66> install plex
02:15 < pcspkr> I mounted the converted vhdx and rsync'd all files from the old disks to the new ones
02:15 < sideup66> pirate shit
02:16 < sideup66> usually i check netflix first, if its there ill watch legit, if not, go torrent, then watch it
02:16 < pcspkr> now I need to manually add the efi boot entry and fix fstab
02:16 < AustinS> ooh speaking of that  / unrelated :X
02:16 < AustinS> get my internet setup Tuesdayyy
02:16 < AustinS> 400/40 plan :3
02:17 < enix> Ah bastardo i'm jealous
02:17 < enix> Did you hear about my internet speeds last night? 2/1Mb
02:17 < AustinS> omg lol :| what's "normal" supposed to be?
02:18 < enix> 600ms latency on each hop..
02:18 < AustinS> niiiice. that's some high class internet there
02:18 < enix> Depends where I am as it's LTE based but typically I expect like 40/5 at least
02:18 < enix> You're in the US hey AustinS
02:18 < AustinS> yeah i was like .. even on LTE with spotty signal i get at least 15 down on AT&T which is garbage
02:18 < AustinS> yeah
02:19 < enix> That's some decent internet :(
02:19 < enix> Welcome SpeakerToMeat
02:19 <+SpeakerToMeat> no no
02:19 < enix> To speak in this channel you must have your +v removed via ChanOps
02:19 < AustinS> yeah optimum has at least decent speeds, always was one of the better ones
02:19 <+SpeakerToMeat> I mean... yes... thank you?
02:19 < enix> In order to do this, please contact Nostalg14c. Until then, other users will not see what you have posted.
02:19 < enix> I am a bot. Beep Boop.
02:19 < AustinS> I remember people with optonline.net addresses back in the day on irc warez and they'd have like.. 150-200 KB/sec uploads when id get like.. 30
02:19 <+SpeakerToMeat> enix: There's no devops, it's all a lie
02:20 < AustinS> my work net is 350/700 right now.. idk why our download has been such trash lately
02:20 < enix> AustinS: wowwwww that's better than my internet atm
02:20 < enix> What the fuck...
02:21 <+SpeakerToMeat> My download is trash because of the govt
02:21 < xamithan> What is 350/700 ?...
02:21 < enix> Oh SpeakerToMeat you're Australian?
02:21 < xamithan> That is a strange number
02:21 <+SpeakerToMeat> enix: Much much much much much worse
02:22 <+SpeakerToMeat> xamithan: Mbps I guess
02:22 < enix> AustinS: Does your companies ISP charge on bandwidth? Because they might be shaping at the core for billing reasons
02:22 < AustinS> 350 Mbps down 700 up.  it should be like .. maxed both ways :P to whatever speed through all the switches to my desk is.. the switch port is 1Gb so
02:22 < xamithan> Yeah but why download so much slower
02:22 < enix> SpeakerToMeat: how could it be worst than Australia?
02:22 <+SpeakerToMeat> enix: Australia would be a paradise to me
02:22 < AustinS> nah we just pay for the lines. its just old ass core switches probably
02:22 < enix> Tbh some people need up more than down
02:22 < AustinS> (well, I know they are old) / theres probably a lot of utilization going on here
02:22 < enix> i'd sacrifice my down for better up
02:23 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: That kind of asymetry is more than a switch acting up
02:23 < AustinS> oh, yeah we definitely need more upload.. / same here any day
02:23 < enix> ACtually.. I AM sacrificing my down for better up on Monday when I get the NBN guys to come install stuff
02:23 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: Unless it's what you're paying for
02:23 < enix> SpeakerToMeat: where the hell are you from?
02:23 <+SpeakerToMeat> Anyhow I pay for 6Mb/768Kb and I get 500Kb/768Kb
02:24 < AustinS> nah, it's at least a 1-2 Gbps line, and we have a couple other gig lines in other buildings.. we have one across the street thats 1 or 2 Gbps that .. i dont think gets used at all
02:24 <+SpeakerToMeat> enix: I call it hellbonia.... it has another name in the onu
02:24 <+SpeakerToMeat> un
02:24 < AustinS> cause even they route their internet over here and use our default line lol
02:24 < AustinS> its also Internap which is trash so
02:24 < AustinS> :)
02:24 < enix> huh
02:25 < AustinS> so glad we got rid of our reliable Level3 lines in favor of this ISP  /s
02:25 < enix> AustinS: can I pinch that unused line for my house? :(
02:25 <+SpeakerToMeat> Cool I made my steam profile private, and it seems it's private from myself too
02:25 < AustinS> enix, gladly. I should look at renting a place behind that building and running something over.. or running one of those super fast antennas and beam it to my place :P
02:27 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: 5ghz p2p antenas are not that expensive nowadays
02:27 <@JollyRgrs> SpeakerToMeat: look up top, it prob shows you logged out
02:27 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: ??
02:27 <@JollyRgrs> i know b/c i made my kid's account last night and it did that to me
02:27 < AustinS> yeah I remember looking at some frommm.. ubiquiti i think, definitely cheap
02:28 < AustinS> and worked well from what I've seen/heard
02:29 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: What do you mean
02:29 <@JollyRgrs> when viewing via website
02:29 <@JollyRgrs> i dunno about in steam app
02:29 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: I've never used Ubiquity but I have an almost fanatical trust for them for some reason
02:29 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: Oh steam... eh... I mean the app
02:29 <@JollyRgrs> ah
02:29 < AustinS> yeah I've yet to hear anything bad about their stuff..
02:30 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: It was slow loading.
02:30 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: It loads now :D
02:30 < AustinS> it doesn't look/feel enterprise-y from the cost, but I've not seen anything bad about them.. definitely would look into them
02:30 < AustinS>  / would try for new datacenter as our backup switch, except we just bought two cisco 10G switches for there.. but i wanna try
02:31 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: And yet they're prety enterprisey with their management app and stuff
02:31 <+SpeakerToMeat> AustinS: I always wanted one of their APs with PA, to remotely puzzle my cats
02:31 < AustinS> lol
02:33 < AustinS> yeah i was curious about their wifi stuff while they were rebuilding out all our access poitns at work, but they went with some .. other crazy system / all cisco managed stuff
02:33 < AustinS> i wish my department had the IT budget *cries*
02:34 < AustinS> we're like our own subset of IT-ish stuff, but separate from them.. but they get the most ridiculous budget.. and I have to justify the smallest things (sometimes/more than I should after seeing what they spend)
02:34 < AustinS> also I've been thinking about setting up a public mirror for some open source things, suggestions?
02:35 < AustinS> i have a tertiary CDN that has a huge bandwidth commit that we use almost nothing of right now.. :p
02:35 < enix> s/super fast antennas/pringles can
02:36 < onicrom> good day to buy crypto
02:36 < onicrom> (not that i am giving or qualified to give any advice lol)
02:38 < enix> well now... https://imgoat.com/uploads/7e1cd7dca8/118297.jpg (sfw)
02:38 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: Do you know how I see my gems in the app?
02:38 < AustinS> lol
02:39 < AustinS> but yeah i think we used like.. 10 TB on that CDN of our... 550 TB commit :x i wish i could donate it or something
02:40 < sideup66> ooooo whyyyyyoooo
02:41 < sideup66> i just wanna ride my mooootorcyyyycle
02:41 <@JollyRgrs> SpeakerToMeat: gems?
02:41 <@JollyRgrs> enix: LOL
02:41 <@JollyRgrs> i've seen the hidden I before
02:42 <@JollyRgrs> never pointed out to me WHERE the location is named :P
02:42 < Church-> onicrom: Oh? How much has it fallen today?
02:42 < Church-> And heya SpeakerToMeat
02:42 <+SpeakerToMeat> Should I close my week and watch S03E11?
02:42 <+SpeakerToMeat> Church-: Hey
02:42 < Church-> Watch what?
02:42 <@JollyRgrs> so, I got the most nicest job opportunity on linkedin... like...
02:43 <@JollyRgrs> the description was exactly what i imagined the job role to be given the job title
02:43 <@JollyRgrs> it was well written, made sense, not all that buzzword hr word stuff
02:43 < Church-> Butttt.
02:43 <@JollyRgrs> just too bad it was what i coulda used like 2-3 yrs ago
02:43 < Church-> Heh
02:43 < onicrom> Church-: 8-25%
02:43 < onicrom> depening on the coin
02:43 <@JollyRgrs> i mean, i would love to take that job, but it won't pay what i'm getting now
02:43 < Church-> Christ.
02:43 <@JollyRgrs> but i took time to write the recruiter
02:44 < Church-> onicrom: Well that ain't good.
02:44 <@JollyRgrs> "look, sorry, but on the plus side, that's a REALLY REALLY Good job desc. and given my background, i'd be a perfect fit for it... if it weren't for the fact that the salary is prob about half of what i'm about to make next month"
02:45 < onicrom> it is if you wanna buy and think we're near the bottom for this period of time
02:45 < onicrom> i just snatched up a bunch of alts
02:45 < onicrom> <3 monero
02:46 < sideup66> OOOOOOYYYYYOOOOO
02:46 < sideup66> I JUST WANNA RIDE MY MOTORCYCLE
02:47 < sideup66> WHO WANTS A BODY MASSAGE
02:47 < sideup66> MR BODY MASSAGE MACHINE
02:47 < sideup66> GO!
02:47 < sideup66> body massage.
02:47 < xamithan> Spam
02:48 <@JollyRgrs> nope
02:48 <@JollyRgrs> fensler film's gi joe PSAs are awlays welcome
02:48 < AustinS> gimme!
02:48 <@JollyRgrs> PORK CHOP SAMMICHES?!
02:49 < AustinS> omg i watched those all a few months ago
02:49 < AustinS> huge throwback
02:50 <@JollyRgrs> I remember watching pre-youtube
02:50 <@JollyRgrs> lol
02:50 <@JollyRgrs> pissed that some were .mov files
02:53 < sideup66> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww3GTNv9hHk
02:53 < sideup66> :D
02:54 < enix> JollyRgrs: yeah I kinda want to print that off and post it up around the place
02:54 < enix> Also; CMD HAS SSH
02:54 < enix> WTF
02:54 <@JollyRgrs> enix: yup
02:55 < genr8_> its included now
02:55 <@JollyRgrs> and sshd if you enable it
02:55 < enix> Wowwwwwww
02:55 < enix> This is amazing
02:55 < enix> JollyRgrs: do you enable via bash for windows or via windows itself
02:56 < genr8_> windows
02:56 < enix> holy shit it does too
02:56 < enix> Some things like alt+backspace dont work
02:56 < enix> Wonder if it gives access to batch stuff
02:57 < genr8_> whats alt backspace to do
02:57 < enix> deleted whole word
02:59 <@JollyRgrs> isn't that Ctrl+backspace?
03:00 < enix> nah alt
03:00 < enix> brb
03:00 <@JollyRgrs> in winders pretty sure it is ctrl
03:00 <@JollyRgrs> at least moving cursor back and forth is ctrl+arrows
03:00 <@JollyRgrs> yeah... ctrl totes does it in windows
03:01 <@JollyRgrs> i can't do alt+backspace in KiTTY either though
03:01 <+SpeakerToMeat> ctrl makes sense since ctrl left/right moves words in most of linux
03:03 < genr8_> alt-backspace works in Putty if the settings ar right
03:03 <+SpeakerToMeat> genr8_: So it's a terminal type issue?
03:03 < genr8_> yep
03:03 <+SpeakerToMeat> Speaking of term type, I discovered the awesomest mc theme ever
03:04 <+SpeakerToMeat> modarin256
03:04 <+SpeakerToMeat> I want this theme in all my shit
03:14 < enix> ctrl+arrow is jump in direction, alt+backspace is delete whole word
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> well, windows does it right
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> in WINDOWS WORLD... it's ctrl+backspace
03:14 < enix> OH gotcha
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> and it works in windowsjust fine :P
03:14 < enix> :)
03:15 < Church-> onicrom: What's monero at?
03:15 <@JollyRgrs> tree fiddy
03:21 < enix> man shits quiet here
03:22 < enix> We had a one minute internet outage due to a brown out and a voltage drop causing the switch to power cycle
03:22 < enix> Went for a walk; noone was affected....
03:22 < onicrom> ~112
03:22 < onicrom> Church-:
03:22 < enix> Came back to my room and just hanging out now.
03:22 < enix> I'm thinking of renaming the room the "NOC" though :)
03:22 < Church-> onicrom: Hmm, not bad. What's been the forecast the past few days? Might grab some.
03:23 < onicrom> i dunno but monero is one of the chains i believe in
03:23 < onicrom> so im happy to invest and hodl
03:26 < onicrom> eth, xmr, ada, iota, xlm are my hodls
03:26 < onicrom> i also like zrx and gnt
03:27 < AustinS> enix, i have a video of water pouring down from the ceiling into one of the IT closets (and also the electrical room) lol
03:27 < AustinS> lotsss of water, all over everything.. only lost one blade in a cisco switch and that's it somehow....
03:27 <@JollyRgrs> i'm JollyRgrs and I will admit, i have a hdd platter and magnet fetish
03:27 <@JollyRgrs> lol
03:27 < onicrom> pivx has a special place in my heart too but i dont think it has the community
03:28 <@JollyRgrs> i can't just toss a drive out, i have to disassemble and get the magnets out and the platters (they are SOOOOOOOOO SHINEY!)
03:28 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: I have those too
03:28 < xamithan> You don't throw out popsicle sticks too I bet
03:28 < AustinS> ok have to copy off my phone and link cause lol
03:28 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: The stronger and shinnier the magnet the better
03:28 <+SpeakerToMeat> JollyRgrs: And the platter, I want to include an unblemished platter in a photo somehow someday
03:31 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/IMG_1351.mov
03:32 < enix> JollyRgrs: we have those magnets everywhere
03:32 < enix> where'd you get a gg from?
03:32 < AustinS> directnic.com
03:32 < enix> OMG
03:33 < enix> Cooling failure?
03:33 < AustinS> for a lot less than i originally saw for
03:33 < AustinS> nope random bathroom pipe or something a floor above, also went all the way down all floors, all electrical rooms in a nice straight row beneath lmao
03:33 < enix> I can get <myname>.gg but it's like $60
03:33 < AustinS> surprisingly didn't have to shut off power or lose anything other than 48port blade somehow.
03:33 <@JollyRgrs> enix: they won't fall off the fridge when you lightly bump into it :P
03:33 < enix> Fuck that, already have an aussie one.
03:33 <@JollyRgrs> esp the ones frmo old SCSI drives
03:34 < enix> Ouch that's just painful
03:34 < enix> AustinS: Guess it's worth checking the water resistance of gear when purchasing :P
03:34 < enix> YOu know in devops where you have all the dudes/dudettes/undecided chilling in a room
03:34 < AustinS> yeah. the GIANT building UPS/batteries galore is the room behind that too, so ..
03:34 < enix> What do you call that room? Is it still a NOC?
03:34 < AustinS> def couldve been worse lol
03:35 < enix> AustinS: I wonder if you shorted the UPS if they would actually blow
03:35 < enix> Be curious to see what protection they have
03:35 < AustinS> idk why that equipment is in that closet to begin wtih honestly, we have a legit real server room behind it
03:35 < AustinS> yeah I was kinda curious too / we almost found out :P  lesson learned, don't put shit anywhere within range undernetah bathrooms
03:35 < AustinS> although I guess a water pipe can blow anywhere so..
03:36 < enix> Yeah there's no protection
03:36 < enix> We've had grease trap lines have issues near our gear
03:36 < enix> Shit happens
03:37 < AustinS> definitely was right before a work event and they came in and were saying "soo we may have to shut down the power completely"
03:37 < AustinS> which we have a lot of DR plans in place, but not one that covers that that close to anything haha. and of course the building across the street we coudlve moved there, but al lthe internet travels through here smh.
03:38 < AustinS> props to the cisco switch that just got dumped on though
03:38 < enix> https://getkanban.com/ $450 board game...
03:39 < enix> cisco switch was fine?
03:39 < rpifan> humans
03:39 < rpifan> enix,
03:41 < rpifan> im actually emailing with a travel agent in NZ about taking a ship to europe
03:41 < AustinS> enix, yeah just lost a 48 port blade (of like 6 of them)
03:41 < AustinS> swapped it out with a near empty one from another floor next morning once we confirmed it was dry/not affected anything else and back to normal
03:42 < enix> TIL: Back in the early days of Tivoli corporation (now owned by IBM) they use to have “Computer Associates” labeled toilet paper.
03:42 < enix> Also; itrevolution.com REALLY needs an editor who knows English ...
03:42 < enix> Why go by boat? Want the original Australian experience?
03:43 < enix> AustinS: that's pretty bloody good!
03:43 < rpifan> i dongt like planes
03:43 < AustinS> i know, still shook
03:44 < onicrom> ohhh tivoli
03:44 < onicrom> garbage
03:44 < enix> Man I can't think of a name for my new office
03:45 < AustinS> enixoffice
03:45 < enix> original haha
03:45 < AustinS> <3
03:46 < AustinS> i tried REALLY hard to come  up with that so
03:46 < enix> <my names>'s office was the name of my last office, because I've only ever had two offices in my career
03:46 < enix> this is the second but I share it with a level 1/2 and a security officer, so I'm trying to think of a cool name
03:46 < AustinS> i get no office ;(
03:46 < enix> hot desk?
03:46 < enix> Or open plan
03:46 < AustinS> "VP's only"
03:46 < AustinS> open plan, lame. but literally 3 offices are vacant right now, I should make it part of my demands lol
03:47 < enix> an office is nice but it makes you kinda bludge more
03:47 < AustinS> id just like it to get away from being bugged.  I setup my imac in the back of the server room/IDF on this floor though lol. temporarily but ..
03:48 < genr8_> bludge verb [ I ] /blʌdʒ/ /blʌdʒ/ Australian English informal. [ I ] to take advantage of the efforts of other people rather than working hard or taking responsibility for something yourself:
03:48 < genr8_> blunt sludge. BLUDGE. a brown liquid that forms at the end of a blunt. it appears when the tobacco wrap is overwhelmed with too much saliva
03:48 < enix> Like if you're above the people in your immediate area, you want them to think you represent your position so you look busier and bludge less, yet when you have superiors within your vicinity you're not going to risk a write up
03:48 < genr8_> we dont use that word here
03:49 < enix> But you have your own office? Wanna reddit today? Who will notice; it'll look like SSL traffic to your proxy/vpn
03:49 < genr8_> sounds good to me
03:49 < AustinS> i go on my own vlan :3
03:49 < genr8_> everyones a bludger at heart anyway
03:49 < enix> IT is just one big bludge honestly
03:49 < genr8_> if you can get away with it, why not
03:49 < enix> If you're not bludging at work, you're not in this channel... really hahaha
03:50 < xamithan> bludge?
03:50 < enix> My last sysadmin gig we were allowed to watch netflix and shit at work
03:50 < genr8_> scroll up for the def
03:50 < enix> Literally.. had our own vlan which had zero filtering
03:50 < enix> Just for that.
03:50 < enix> xamithan: In aussie slang it means to be at work doing nothing
03:50 < AustinS> yeah i see people have netflix and stuff open on the corner while working. they still seem productive
03:50 < xamithan> I do that every single day
03:50 < AustinS> if someone was just .. chilling full screen I'd be like ok come on lol
03:50 < xamithan> Well,  every weekday
03:50 < enix> xamithan: so if I'm at work and there's not much on and i just sit here on reddit from 9 till 5, that's bludging
03:50 < enix> AustinS: yeah I never understood the stigma against netflix at work tbh
03:51 < xamithan> Not my fault I'm so good that everything is fixed plus recurring problems fixed
03:51 < AustinS> if youre bogging down the line yeah gtfo, but if you can support it let them do it
03:51 < enix> AustinS: Sometimes I have a thoroughly unproductive day at work (lethargy, disconnected, whatever), and I just can't get shit done. I go home, put some netflix on, vpn in and get double done at home in two hours than i did at work.
03:51 < enix> Yay it's potato gem time!
03:51 < enix> brb
03:51 < AustinS> yeah i worked remote for the last 5-6 years..
03:52 < xamithan> Easier to work without stuff distracting
03:52 < enix> I've worked out that when one of our shows near the food court start; they'll put down fresh potato gems :)
03:52 < AustinS> finally caved in to the demands to move back, get so much less done in the office unless its after hours (why im here now lol)
03:52 < enix> brb
03:53 <+giant_it_burrit> im  most productive
03:54 <+giant_it_burrit> before everyone is there and when they all fuck off
03:54 < AustinS> same. i just cant get up that early, unless i just roll over from night prior :P
03:55 < AustinS> fridays during summer is so dead around here, its lovely
03:56 < AustinS> warned IT their SSL cert was gonna bomb out tomorrow afternoon on the backup VPN, still not changed *sigh*
03:59 <+MillerBOSS> ITS NOT DEAD NOW! I AM HERE
04:00 < AustinS> andddddd I'm out!
04:00 < AustinS> :D
04:00 <+MillerBOSS> The fuck
04:00 < AustinS> jk you know i cant leave you bb <3
04:01 <+MillerBOSS> I just got here. Smashed my car today
04:01 < AustinS> MillerBOO
04:01 < AustinS> ew :| someone elses fault or yours? lol. and how bad?
04:01 <+MillerBOSS> Just picked up a beater
04:01 < AustinS> also MillerBOSS I got a video of the water i was talking about a couple weeks ago / finally copied to computer
04:01 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/IMG_1351.mov
04:01 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  VIDEO/QUICKTIME Document, 6,526,789 bytes
04:02 < AustinS> :3
04:04 <+MillerBOSS> My fault. I smashed into a natural gas meter. Now I know what happens when those are smashed and gas gushes out, holy fuck
04:04 < enix> haha cryptic1 got demoted to +v
04:04 < AustinS> omg lol, like the worst possible thing you could hit hahaha. at least you're alive
04:05 <+MillerBOSS> I was going maybe 10mph at the most
04:05 <+MillerBOSS> I wasn't aware of any water issue
04:05 < AustinS> oh when i heard water dripping (and then pouring) into an electrical room when i was here several weeks back
04:05 < AustinS> that was the video (also after the pipe had been shut off I might add)
04:06 < enix> Solid effort MillerBOSS
04:06 <+MillerBOSS> Man I really dislike when we are given a tiny ass room for switches and shit
04:06 < AustinS> yeah.. which makes no sense cause there's a legit giant server room behind that closet..
04:06 < AustinS> with all the main routing equipment in it, too.. so no idea why it was still in there.  Legacy I guess..
04:07 < enix> JollyRgrs: if you're looking for a replacement for cryptic1 lmk
04:07 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah enix. Couple tickets though and wow was I freaking out.
04:07 < AustinS> RIGHT behind it too, like.. could move 3 feet over and 5 feet back and be in the rack with other networking equipment
04:07 < enix> i hate that people get tickets for mistakes
04:07 < enix> I mean, how did it actually happen
04:07 < enix> were you on the phone or something
04:07 <@JollyRgrs> enix: always looking for his replacement
04:07 <@JollyRgrs> he's been on the way out the last 2 yrs
04:07 <+MillerBOSS> Ticket is not controlling a vehicle.
04:07 <+MillerBOSS> Trust me its my fault.
04:08 <+MillerBOSS> But the natural gas gushing out was really wild and freaky
04:08 < enix> JollyRgrs: I can tell. He hasn't kicked me in a very long time.
04:09 <+MillerBOSS> I was waiting for something to blow up.
04:09 < enix> MillerBOSS: Fair enough but if it's a simple mistake with no malintent
04:09 < enix> Why ticket?
04:09 < enix> Eh personal pet hate of mine.
04:09 <+MillerBOSS> Right next to a 4 way busy street.
04:09 <+MillerBOSS> Well if you crash when it say raining or snowing, you could get it for too fast for conditions.
04:09 < enix> Like getting a ticket for negligent driving when you have a bingle. WHy bother man I smashed my car and have over $4,000 repairs to make... why make it $600 more and deduct points you cunts?
04:09  * enix will stop now
04:10  * enix will actually not
04:10 <+MillerBOSS> Driving too fast I mean
04:10 < enix> Like you fuck up with normal people and they're like "well its a mistake whatever you didnt mean it all good"
04:10 <+MillerBOSS> Fine is only $200
04:10 < enix> YOu fuck up with the law they're like "YOU MUST BE PUNISHED"
04:11 < enix> Bruh there's no punishment needed. If anything; assist in financing the repairs. But dont get issued an infraction. They exist as a deterrent to dissuade criminal activity or activities that disrupt civility
04:11 < enix> But now it's like Oprah Winfrey is giving the fuckers out
04:12 < enix> Fun fact; it's technically illegal to be drunk in Australia
04:12 <+MillerBOSS> Like at a bar?
04:12 < enix> Anywhere other than your own home from my interpretation
04:12 <+MillerBOSS> Interesting.
04:12 < enix> But yes at a bar as well funnily enough..
04:13 < enix> The establishment can be issued fines/infractions for not uploading their Responsible Service of Alcohol
04:13 < rpifan> is that so
04:13 < enix> IF you decide to walk home from the pub because you're drunk; you can be done for public intoxication
04:13 < rpifan> just like in the us
04:13 < enix> You can't ride a push bike home because it's considered some form of drink driving (I had a patron get fined for that)
04:13 <+MillerBOSS> Well here is another one that I am sure will fit right up your ally. I will get a bill from the fire department and gas peeps.
04:13 < enix> MillerBOSS: I think that's fine
04:14 <+MillerBOSS> So why not the fine?
04:14 < enix> Make repremands for destruction of property, dont receive an infringement
04:14 <+MillerBOSS> Something has to be recorded I'd think.
04:14 <+MillerBOSS> Maybe I should try that in court.
04:14 <+MillerBOSS> Kidding
04:14 < enix> Police are a public service; there's no need to pay them extra for your actions. Their funding should largely come from the budget
04:14 < enix> Infact; they should aiming to give out less fines as a measure of the effectiveness of policy
04:15 <+MillerBOSS> I see your point but it doesn't work that way here
04:15 < enix> But paying for your damages I think is the 'gentlemanly' way to do things
04:15 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah
04:15 < enix> Like you'd pay for breaking your friends TV after throwing your controller at it
04:15 < enix> Nah it doesn't work that way anywhere
04:15 < enix> Its just a super strong pet hate of mine
04:17 < enix> If I ever got to become prime minister, my first three actions would be: Half funding to Highway Patrol by 70% and dismissing about 90% of active Highway Patrol Officers, re-evaluate our infraction system, completely re-work our taxes
04:17 < enix> Because 35% tax is ridiculous and 50% tax on a second job is a fucking joke
04:17 < enix> You want to work? Let us punish you.
04:17 < enix> And they wonder why most Australian small businesses are committing tax evasion
04:18 <+MillerBOSS> 35% tax on what?
04:18 < enix> Income
04:18 < enix> http://paycalculator.com.au/
04:18 <+layer-eight> * enix →  ⚓  https://www.paycalculator.com.au/ → pay calculator
04:18 <+MillerBOSS> And 50% income tax on a 2nd job, wtf?
04:19 < enix> Ah I'm at 25% tax
04:19 < enix> But that's largely because my employer pays super annuation (forced retirement savings) in addition to my pay
04:20 < enix> Oh wow... which means they're actually putting more super in than any other employer I've had.. Man I love this job
04:21 < enix> But if we reduced tax to 10%, increased monitoring of misreported earnings and encourages Australian businesses to register their tax by actually showing them what their tax funds, I reckon we would do a lot better as a country
04:21 < enix> s/encourages/encouraged
04:21 <+layer-eight> [SED enix] But if we reduced tax to 10%, increased monitoring of misreported earnings and encouraged Australian businesses to register their tax by actually showing them what their tax funds, I reckon we would do a lot better as a country
04:21 <+MillerBOSS> https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes#bEIkxre3ra
04:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Free Income Tax Calculator - Estimate Your Taxes | SmartAsset
04:21 <+MillerBOSS> They do that here too. Its called FICA
04:22 < enix> Yours is slightly higher than mine
04:22 < enix> Wait then whats 401k and sep?
04:22 <+MillerBOSS> Employer pays money too. Unemployment insurance.
04:23 < enix> I see
04:23 <+MillerBOSS> FICA is for medicare and social security
04:23 < enix> fuck you've started me now
04:25 < enix> no no i must install nagvis...
04:25  * enix will stop
04:26 <+MillerBOSS> The image down the page kinda spells it out https://www.patriotsoftware.com/payroll/training/blog/how-calculate-payroll-taxes-for-employers/
04:26 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  How to Calculate Payroll Tax
04:26 < enix> Urgh... still trying to learn the new ip command
04:27 < enix> Medicare?
04:27 <+MillerBOSS> Not sure how it is there but we have federal tax (country) and state income tax. Some states don't have income tax but fees and sales tax for other things may be higher than a state that has income tax
04:27 < enix> I didnt knw you had that
04:28 <+MillerBOSS> I am sure the term varies per country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
04:28 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Medicare (United States) - Wikipedia
04:28 < enix> Ours is quite convoluted, but the stuff most known to most Australias are federal income tax and GST (10% on every transaction) with GST having just been extended to international purchases
04:28 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah I heard about that for like Amazon.com for you guys.
04:28 <+MillerBOSS> Seems dumb
04:28 < enix> Which basically means; I import my product from china for $200, I have to pay $220. I sell each item (10 of them) for $25/ea, making $250. I pay $25 GST on the sales...
04:29 < enix> I'm losing $20/batch, meaning my sales are down 20%
04:29 < enix> i think that's right idk i'm doing something else while i irc lol
04:30 <+MillerBOSS> But can you guys make everything in your country without importing something?
04:31 < enix> Not really
04:31 < sideup66> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
04:31 < sideup66> i found a used kia stinger at a dealer
04:31 < sideup66> 28k
04:31 < sideup66> cpo
04:31 < sideup66> with 6700 miles
04:31 < enix> Largely because there's no point to re-inventing the wheel just for the sake of making it a domestically produced product
04:31 < sideup66> 28k
04:31 < sideup66> my penis can only get so hard
04:32 < enix> Takes vapes for example (my industry); why would I start manufacturing my own vapes, dealing with all the shit, just to say it's made in australia?
04:32 < enix> COG goes WAY up, the RRP is a lot higher (even after taxes and shipping from china), and it's difficult to compete
04:32 <+MillerBOSS> I see
04:32 < enix> Margins are way lower, and I would have to sell to an international market in order to fund a proper production
04:32 < enix> sideup66: buy it.
04:32 < sideup66> no im sorry
04:32 < sideup66> 2836
04:32 < enix> Yeah it's a little bit of a difficult situation
04:32 < sideup66> fuuuuuuuck
04:32 < enix> huh
04:33 < sideup66> i now question my sonata
04:33 < enix> Why would you buy a kia other than a stinger
04:34 < enix> Its like buying a newer hyundai; massive waste of money
04:34 < sideup66> wut
04:34 < sideup66> how
04:34 < sideup66> nigga
04:34 < sideup66> u drunk
04:34 <@JollyRgrs> um... they both have 10yr/100k mi warranties right?
04:34 < sideup66> ye
04:34 < enix> depreciation and build quality
04:35 < enix> HA
04:35 < sideup66> actually....no
04:35 < enix> especially with Hyundai you'll be needing that warrantie WAYYYY Before 100k miles
04:35 < sideup66> the build quality in them actually is embarassing japan to the point of revamping lineups
04:35 <+MillerBOSS> KIAs aren't a joke like they used to be
04:35 < enix> Kias have picked up, Hyundai have gone down hill
04:35 < sideup66> hyundai and kia are the same company
04:35 < sideup66> you do know that
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> maybe in AUS
04:35 < sideup66> right
04:35 < enix> Are they?
04:35 < sideup66> yep
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> but in US, they make pretty good now
04:35 < sideup66> my hyundai has been fine
04:35 < enix> If they share tech, then I take a lesser view of kia
04:35 < sideup66> build quality is solid
04:36 < sideup66> fit and finish is fine
04:36 < sideup66> my car is basically the kia optima
04:36 < enix> Every i30 my mates company has sold has come back within the first year
04:36 < sideup66> just hyundais flavor of it
04:36 < sideup66> an i30
04:36 < sideup66> poverty model sold to shitty people.
04:36 < sideup66> below the accent iirc
04:36 < enix> Yeah accents been put higher up the food chain
04:37 < enix> BUt if you can't build a simple engine to handle OIL properly, I write your company off in my recommendations
04:37 < sideup66> its not always the car
04:37 < sideup66> its the shitty people that buy them somtimes
04:37 < enix> sideup66: in this case, it is 100% the car
04:37 < enix> Highly intolerant build from what I understand
04:37 < sideup66> what engine
04:37 < sideup66> 2.4 gdi?
04:37 < enix> I believe the petrol ones
04:37 < sideup66> it is gas mine...2.4 L gdi
04:37 <@JollyRgrs> i30? accent? ick
04:37 < enix> Although exact details I'm not privvy to due to privacy
04:37 <@JollyRgrs> that's like tercell, corolla
04:38 <@JollyRgrs> amirite?
04:38 < sideup66> yeah its bottom of the food chain
04:38 < enix> YOOOO
04:38 < enix> Don't knock the corollas. Well... old ones at least
04:38 <@JollyRgrs> my sister had one
04:38 <@JollyRgrs> they'll last forever
04:38 < enix> I've spannered them myselves; really fantastic cars
04:38 <@JollyRgrs> i just can't fit in it
04:38 <@JollyRgrs> no leg room
04:38 < enix> Ah true yeah but at least they can have oil put in them
04:38 < enix> without blowing up
04:39 < sideup66> wut
04:39 < enix> Legit.. Toyota AE86 has to be the best car I have ever abused the fucking shit out of
04:39 < sideup66> where have you had a motor go in without blowing up
04:39 < enix> Rephrase that
04:40 < sideup66> where have you gotten oil in a motor in a hyundai that made the motor blow up
04:40 < sideup66> dafuq
04:40 < enix> But yeah.. the chassis was half decent for what it was and interior fitout was uncomfortable yet well thought out (shifter position to the ash tray, foldable rear seats created massive amount of storage, etc)
04:40 < enix> The 4AGE's were fucking resilient little things
04:40 < enix> Then basic mods to tailor to your liking all were super easy. Only thing I didnt like was the clutch slave but hey... nothings perfect.
04:41 < enix> sideup66: The primary concern stressed upon me by this particular hyundai tech was that something to do with the oil level and the oil viscosity had to be carefully monitored, because the engines weren't tolerant to much variation
04:42 < sideup66> ew toyota
04:42 < sideup66> new ones
04:42 < sideup66> ew
04:42 < sideup66> 34k for a poverty corolla in the states
04:42 < enix> new ones are bleh except the land cruiser
04:42 < sideup66> ew
04:42 < sideup66> just
04:42 < enix> wow that's nuts
04:42 < sideup66> ew
04:42 < enix> capitalizing on a reputation it seems. $21 990 in Australia
04:42 < sideup66> vs 20k for my sonata with android auto, leather seats, upgraded wheels, ground effects
04:42 < sideup66> sunroof
04:43 < enix> So 16,500 in USD
04:43 < sideup66> sport trim with tech package
04:43 < sideup66> no, 20k usd for my sonata
04:43 < enix> NO Im saying corolla is 16k usd
04:43 < enix> Ooo.. that was a rude capitalization sorry
04:44 < enix> But yeah, sonata gives you fancy gadgets and stuff but really it's build quality and how they hold their pricing thats the main concern
04:44 < sideup66> my build quality is fine
04:44 < sideup66> and i drove the ever loving piss out of the car the first year i owned it
04:44 < sideup66> like 20000 us miles in a year alot
04:44 < enix> Eh that's not much
04:45 < sideup66> and its been fine...my old hyundai, 2002 santa fe got 15 years out of it
04:45  * enix shrugs
04:45 < sideup66> ifi didnt let a retard change the trans fluid in a stupid way i would still have it.
04:45 < enix> mabrook, but most hyundai owners I know cant say the same thing
04:46 < sideup66> rest of the car was going to shit
04:46 < sideup66> but the thing was stillchugging along
04:46 < sideup66> ac worked
04:46 < sideup66> lol
04:46 < enix> Thats all that matters haha
04:46 < sideup66> i did have that replaced
04:46 < enix> For the first time ever in my life, I actually requested aircon be installed in my car
04:46 < sideup66> lol
04:46 < enix> When I got the new engine built and put in, I was like "mate... I want aircon.. I'm sorry"
04:47 < enix> What i didnt know is that this bloke doing my work now is SUPER passionate about doing what he considers "perfect installs"
04:47 < enix> So he kinda blinked at me and said "why the fuck wouldnt I install aircon?" lol
04:47 < enix> funny bugger
04:47 < enix> race car, so its a bit weird to have aircon
04:47 < enix> So dhcp is not automatic in cnetos 7?
04:49 < rpifan> my linkendin is now talking german for some reason
04:49 < enix> ?
04:50 < rpifan> yea idk why my linkendin is in german
04:50 <@cryptic1> rpifan, moving to Germany eh
04:51 < rpifan> yes
04:51 <@cryptic1> linkedin knows
04:51 < rpifan> im gonna delete my linkendin
04:51 < rpifan> the woman today
04:51 < enix> oh hello cryptic1
04:51 < rpifan> had all kinds of wrong info on me that i imagine came from my linkenind
04:51 < enix> for job interview?
04:52 < enix> Why would linkedin be wrong...
04:55 < AustinS> linkedin is obnoxious :|  at least browsing it is.. only benefit is to see/get offers and connections, but the shit people post alllll dayyyy long is ...
04:55 < enix> omg vmware tools installer is a perl script now... ouch
04:56 <@cryptic1> oh hello enix
04:56 <@cryptic1> how you doing eh
04:56 < enix> Sitting an awe at how different computers have become in two years
04:56 < enix> But it happens I guess
04:57 <@cryptic1> but they haven't
04:57 < enix> What's been happening in cryptic1 land
04:57 <@cryptic1> >_>
04:57 <@cryptic1> <_<
04:57 <@cryptic1> :O
04:58 < enix> Oh just worked out why my test vm isn't getting an IP
04:58 < enix> our test network doesn't have a physical adapter..
04:58 < rpifan> they have CTO jobs
04:58 < rpifan> man id love to one of those
04:58 < rpifan> must be stressful
04:59 < rpifan> but u get to decide all things
04:59 < rpifan> everyhting will be in python
04:59 < rpifan> with no objects
04:59 < enix> So your plan, in it's entirety, is to write everything in pseudo code?
04:59 < rpifan> nice job title Team Lead Buying Womens
04:59 < enix> SIGN ME UP
05:00 < enix> ILL TAKE 10 WOMENS PLEASE
05:00 < enix> I'd like to make a warranty claim... this woman is a man.
05:00 < genr8_> i got binders of women
05:00 < rpifan> lol
05:00 < rpifan> and yes
05:00 < rpifan> python with no objects is not psuedo code
05:00 < genr8_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binders_full_of_women
05:00 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Binders full of women - Wikipedia
05:00 < rpifan> its god code
05:00 < enix> boom. Got an IP.
05:01 < enix> genr8_: can you ELI5 I dont want to open that at work lol
05:01 < genr8_> "Binders full of women" is a phrase used by Mitt Romney on October 16, 2012 during the second U.S. presidential debate of 2012. Romney used the phrase in response to a question about pay equality, referring to ring binders with resumes of female job applicants submitted to him as Governor of Massachusetts. The phrase was depicted by Romney's detractors as demeaning and insensitive toward women, and was widely mocked.[1] This prompted the
05:01 < genr8_> phrase's use for political attacks on Romney's positions on women's issues,[2][3][4] as well as the development of an Internet meme.
05:02 < genr8_> In 2017, a former Romney aide recovered the binders Romney was referring to and gave them to The Boston Globe.[16] They weigh 15 lbs, 6 oz.[17]
05:02 < enix> riight
05:02 < genr8_> haha
05:03 < enix> "the av stuff isnt working"
05:03 < enix> Oh cool thanks I know what that means.
05:04 < rpifan> enix, so u make animals?
05:04 < enix> shit i dont htink i have access to this :(
05:04 < enix> rpifan: yeah out of sand
05:05 < rpifan> u work at the zoo dont u
05:07 < enix> Yuhp :)
05:07 < enix> Speaking of which.. I might go visit an animal..
05:07 < enix> brb :)
05:08 < misspwn_> i make animals out of my poop
05:11 < genr8_> what does that even mean lol
05:11 < misspwn_> ask enix he's making them with sand. poop sounded cooler
05:12 < rpifan> sad
05:12 < rpifan> misspwn_, how r u
05:13 < misspwn_> not bad, date night, had pizza from some place that was supposed to be real awesome but it wasnt that great so now i'm home eating a dq blizard since the place i wanted to go to had a line down the block
05:13 < misspwn_> how are you?
05:14 < rpifan> date night with ur man human?
05:14 < misspwn_> yeah
05:14 < genr8_> was it some overpriced gourmet pizza instead of a $12 NYC pie ?
05:15 < misspwn_> eh it was 14 bucks and my pizza is way better than what they made
05:15 < genr8_> what went wrong
05:15 < rpifan> pizza costs 2.50 for a 2 slices and a can of coke
05:15 < genr8_> yep
05:15 < misspwn_> what went wrong is it wasn't nyc pizza or legit italian
05:15 < rpifan> where is it u live agian
05:16 < misspwn_> and i knew that going in but the doug was terrible and just kinda blah
05:16 < genr8_> was it the sauce or the bread or the cheese
05:16 < genr8_> theres not much to go wrong :p
05:16 < misspwn_> it was all of it honestly
05:16 < genr8_> sorry to make you relive it
05:16 < genr8_> sounds awful ;p
05:19 < AustinS> oh god just setup helper-address on a vlan that was configured for all static IPs, and got like 40 leases at once just from all the management interfaces :|
05:20 < misspwn_> genr8_, https://imgur.com/a/tmyRhmm < my pizza vs their pizza > https://imgur.com/a/kurSw5v
05:20 <+layer-eight> * misspwn_ →  IMGUR Album → 2 minutes ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
05:20 <+layer-eight> * misspwn_ →  IMGUR Album → a few seconds ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
05:20 < AustinS> coulda went worse :p but wasn't planning for all those frens
05:20 < genr8_> dang it doesnt even look fresh
05:21 < misspwn_> it was some sister restaurant so that's why it was like hey lets try it out. well now i know :P
05:21 < genr8_> thats just some regular ish
05:21 < misspwn_> right yeah and for 14bucks?
05:21 < misspwn_> for a 12"
05:21 < genr8_> yea no
05:22 < misspwn_> we make our own dough from that book flour, water, salt, yeast  and just crank the oven to as hot as it can go
05:22 < misspwn_> like it aint that difficult to make a good pie
05:22 < rpifan> what book
05:22 < rpifan> thers a pizza book
05:22 <+MillerBOSS> What are you breaking over there AustinS?
05:23 < misspwn_> rpifan, this book https://www.amazon.com/Flour-Water-Salt-Yeast-Fundamentals-ebook/dp/B007SGLZH6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1529724183&sr=8-1&keywords=water+salt+flour+yeast
05:23 < misspwn_> lot of good bread/dough recipes in there
05:24 < rpifan> i see
05:24 < rpifan> wel li dont have a kitchen sadly
05:24 < misspwn_> like you mix those 4 ingredients together and just let it hang out in a bucket for however many hours than make your bread. i made one that did a 14hr proof where it literally just sat in a bucket with saran wrap over it
05:24 < rpifan> plus i gotta abscond at the end of the month
05:25 < misspwn_> then i baked it in a dutch oven
05:25 < genr8_> where do you get the yeast
05:25 < genr8_> is there a yeast jar in your fridge now
05:26 < genr8_> people treasure their yeast strains
05:26 < rpifan> its true
05:26 < genr8_> You gotta get that artisanal yeast
05:26 < genr8_> Organic
05:26 < misspwn_> rpifan, then you end up with bread like this https://imgur.com/a/jWadsYd
05:26 <+layer-eight> * misspwn_ →  IMGUR Album → a few seconds ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
05:26 < misspwn_> uhhh i just use yeast packets?
05:27 < misspwn_> usually that's when you are doing sourdough starters and have some special starter i've not done that yet
05:27 < rpifan> i need cheese
05:27 < genr8_> yeah tru sourdough ive heard that in regard to
05:27 < misspwn_> to me that just sounds like a pain in the ass
05:28 < rpifan> delicious
05:28 < misspwn_> as far as the baking goes, not having a life makes that pretty easy
05:34 < rpifan> yes
05:34 < rpifan> no life is good
05:34 < rpifan> but u said u had a human
05:34 < rpifan> so u have some kind of life
05:35 < aName> Can I slap the guy who decided that wifi should be an additional monthly charge on my internet bill? I provide my own equipment, but it blows me away they get away with that.
05:35 < Casteil> wut?
05:35 < Casteil> do you "rent" a modem/wifi gateway from your ISP?
05:35 < misspwn_> rpifan, taking care of a human is easy
05:36 < aName> Casteil: I don't. But they charge an extra five bucks a month on top of that fee if you want wifi turned on lol
05:36 < misspwn_> wasnt there a post about that in /r/frugal?
05:36 < misspwn_> like making them take the charge off
05:37 < aName> Dunno
05:37 < aName> I'm subscribed to frugal but I sort of tune it out
05:37 < rpifan> i doubt it
05:37 < rpifan> i cant even take care of myself
05:37 < aName> Half of it is like 'Steal ketchup packets to make tomato soup!'
05:37 < rpifan> my place is a huge mess wreck
05:37 < rpifan> really terrible
05:37 < Casteil> aName: uh, so tell them to take it off your bill and get your own wifi router/AP?
05:37 < aName>      /r/frugalmalefashion is more useful though
05:37 < aName> Casteil: I'm not paying it
05:37 < aName> Casteil: I never did
05:37 < genr8_> just call them and remove it
05:38 < aName> Casteil: I just got an email informing me I was eligible to give them more money though
05:38 < genr8_> they are stupid
05:38 < misspwn_> aName, yeah it was something to the tune of they charge because on one says anything about it
05:38 < aName> misspwn_: I suppose so. I've brought my own equipment since 2002
05:38 < aName> misspwn_: So it was news to me
05:38 < genr8_> i had them try to charge us for a modem rental we dont even have. and im like OK what serial number is it ? Sorry that info is not coming up on our system.... YEA cause it doesnt exist !
05:38 < Casteil> I don't even have a modem at my house haha
05:39 < misspwn_> lot of people have their own equipment, and you wouldn't think that  you would get charged for that or the sneaky modem rental but they hid that too
05:39 < Casteil> I use a ubiquiti litebeam PtP setup to steal internets from my buddy
05:39 < misspwn_> even if you have your own
05:39 < genr8_> this is hard to explain but
05:39 < misspwn_> have my own modem and ubiquiti PoE AP in the hallway
05:39 < misspwn_> they better not charge me for wifi
05:39 < aName> genr8_: A bank once fucked up my credit and when I asked them to show me the paperwork for the agreement that said I owed them this money, they told me flat out they don't have it and couldn't provide it. They were later successfully sued for the practice that fucked me over, but by then it didn't matter.
05:40 < Casteil> cable companies are doing anything and everything they're legally allowed to maintain & maximize profits in times of declining cable tv subscribers
05:40 < genr8_> i remember the cable companies being fined by the government (maybe AT&T or comcast in specific) because they got caught intentionally tacking back on services to your bill that you didnt authorize
05:40 < genr8_> and the amount of people who called to dispute the new charges was only like 50% or something
05:40 < misspwn_> yea and they still do sneak around it in their agreements
05:40 < Casteil> added fees, monthly caps, lobbying for even more monopoly than they already have
05:41 < genr8_> yea and its only gonna get worse now
05:41 < misspwn_> but we also don't read terms and conditions because who the fuck has time to read that
05:41 < misspwn_> just sign my soul it's fine
05:41 < aName> Casteil: Which is why I want to see community ISPs becoming more common
05:41 < misspwn_> take my kidneys
05:41 < aName> Casteil: Like, go rogue if you have to
05:41 < Casteil> they're doing everything they can to fight public internet too
05:41 < aName> Casteil: I know
05:41 < aName> Go rogue if you have to
05:42 < misspwn_> hay let's start our own internet
05:42 < misspwn_> we gotta get it from somewhere first right
05:42 < aName> misspwn_: Honestly... at this point...
05:42 < misspwn_> how do we make our own internet
05:42 < aName> misspwn_: Same way you make any network
05:42 < aName> Just, you know, with longer fibers
05:43 < misspwn_> yeah but how is it gona get me to google to play candy crush?
05:43 < aName>  Yeahhhhh... about that
05:44 < rpifan> 20 job applications
05:44 < misspwn_> longer internet tubes?
05:44 < aName> misspwn_: I mean... it's not a wholey inaccurate analogy
05:44 < aName> misspwn_: I forgive the confused old man on that one
05:45 < misspwn_> is it a stupid question though? i don't know how that shit works. the internet has to come from somewhere ha
05:45 < misspwn_> i could set up a network to handle traffic
05:45 < aName> misspwn_: Peering agreements
05:45 < misspwn_> but the traffic has to come from more
05:45 < aName> "I'll let you pass traffic through my network if you let me pass traffic through yours"
05:45 < misspwn_>  but then people that pass through with googles dns are going to violate agreements?
05:46 < misspwn_> because rogue?
05:46 < aName> That's not how DNS works
05:46 < aName> DNS is like a phone book
05:46 < misspwn_> yeah i passed my cisco class with a 70.1% so
05:46 < misspwn_> i don't know how anything works clearly
05:46 < aName> 'Hi, I'd like to talk to youtube' 'Oh, they're at 172.217.7.206'
05:47 < aName> And then you call up youtube at that address - all the routing is handled normally
05:47 < aName> Now if you were using a VPN with split tunneling, that does get more complicated...
05:47 < rpifan> i wonder how many people actually work remote
05:47 < misspwn_> yeah so i guess my question was, if the way things are now technically meaning they can monitor possibly throttle you based off your traffic.
05:47 < misspwn_> if you were to do a private ISP would you be even able to access that stuff
05:48 < misspwn_> maybe vpn, will the block vpn?
05:48 < aName> misspwn_: If I was running it, no, I would not block VPN
05:48 < aName> misspwn_: And most ISPs are not going to, because then their remote workers can't work
05:48 < misspwn_> good point
05:48 < aName> Err, not just the ISPs
05:48 < aName> but all the people in that city
05:49 < misspwn_> rpifan, lot of people work remote, i do sometimes
05:49 < aName> I use a VPN just to get around the traffic shaping my ISP does
05:49 < aName> They'll tell you they don't but it's SO obvious
05:49 < aName> So fuck you, all my traffic is in an encrypted tunnel, bite me
05:49 < misspwn_> how much slower is it for you to be vpn all the time like that? i've noticed lag before but only on some things
05:50 < aName> Much, much faster
05:50 < aName> lol
05:50 < misspwn_> really???? dang
05:50 < rpifan> like ful time remote
05:50 < aName> rpifan: I only dream
05:50 < misspwn_> rpifan, honestly i dont want to be full time remote because i'd become even more of a hermit and  think i'd get less done depending on what i was doing
05:50 < aName> rpifan: But about 2% of our staff is
05:50 < aName> rpifan: Usually for medical reasons
05:51 < aName> rpifan: And oh my god they really need to consult IT before approving this
05:51 < misspwn_> few days a week would be nice and i probably could if i really pushed for it
05:51 < aName> These people always have the most amazingly terrible connections
05:51 < misspwn_> "oh hey by the way i have DSL at home and i can't connect to my F drive"
05:51 < aName> I spent like six hours across four days troubleshooting an issue once
05:51 < misspwn_> wel carroll your internet fucking sucks and it doesn't work cause vpn cant stay connected
05:51 < aName> Come to find out that she's got a 1mbps/.5mbps connection
05:51 < misspwn_> yuuup
05:52 < misspwn_> oh hi windstream here....sorry
05:52 < aName> And that ping goes up to 500ms once you put basically any traffic over the line
05:52 < aName> Well no shit your phone doesn't work
05:52 < aName> Jesus
05:52 < misspwn_> but my F drive guys
05:52 < aName> Like I didn't even know they offered these packages
05:52 < m4221> He misspwn_
05:52 < aName> misspwn_: I've stopped mapping drives for people
05:52 < misspwn_> my 3Cx doesnt work why????
05:52 < misspwn_> hay m4221
05:52 < aName> misspwn_: Because it's just so damned confusing for me when they report that their Q drive doesn't work
05:53 < aName> like I have any fucking clue what that maps to
05:53 < aName> and of course the mapping is gone
05:53 < aName> so I ask them to describe things they find in it
05:53 < m4221> misspwn_: I saw Jurassic World tonight
05:53 < misspwn_> aName, i gave pu trying to explain it how the letter is meaningless so i ask them what they are trying to access on what server
05:53 < aName> And now I have this memory of the entire structure of the entire corporate file server
05:53 < aName> it's a bit obscene really
05:53 < m4221> Twas good
05:53 < misspwn_> so then i will map it for them
05:53 < aName> misspwn_: I give them the path and show them how to navigate to it
05:53 < misspwn_> oh that doesn't work with some folks
05:53 < aName> misspwn_: I Know
05:53 < m4221> aName: gpo is your friend
05:53 < misspwn_> some are just too bullheaded and it just grinds me
05:54 < aName> m4221: Oh, I know
05:54 < misspwn_> yeah i'll put that in place
05:54 < aName> m4221: But sometimes the policy doesn't apply or whatever
05:54 < misspwn_> make sure they in the security group and usually it auto maps
05:54 < m4221> misspwn_: like how aName wants to grind a woman tonight :P
05:54 < misspwn_> sometimes it doesnt work and gpupdate fixes
05:54 < rpifan_> there u go
05:54 < aName> m4221: and it's just so, so much easier if they say to me "//fileserver/mydepartment/important.dox seems to be inaccessible"
05:54 < rpifan_> my us internet is worse then the ecuador one
05:55 < misspwn_> lel
05:55 < misspwn_> my dataz
05:55 < aName> m4221: Well, I got back from a wake and I'm going to a funeral in a couple hours, so... naw, not feeling it tonight lol
05:56 < misspwn_> aName, so i had one the other day that wouldn't navigate by \\fileserver\dept\800\sub\folders\later but would by \\server\something\else it was so weird
05:56 < misspwn_> something was jacked up
05:56 < aName> DNS
05:56 < misspwn_> yeah like it wasn't uh
05:56 < aName> That REEKS of DNS problems
05:56 < genr8_> probably using the netbios helper or something
05:56 < misspwn_> it was in the end
05:56 < m4221> misspwn_: it was dns?
05:56 < misspwn_> like it wouldn't map but i could navigate to it
05:57 < misspwn_> so i just said fuck it and then i realized that it was because of some quick access folder he had
05:57 < misspwn_> that wasn't workin
05:57 < genr8_> maybe you already had an unclosed session and it wouldnt let you reconnect
05:57 < m4221> genr8_: like with your mother and sean connery? :P
05:57 < misspwn_> hey leave sean connery out of this :D
05:57 < aName> genr8_: I bought a used aquarium controller and you had to talk to it on netbios to config it at first
05:58 < aName> genr8_: I was like 'whoa blast from the past'
05:58 < genr8_> your mothers a whore
05:58 < genr8_> suck it trebek
05:58 < aName> genr8_: I'll take famous titties for 800.
05:58 < genr8_> aName: honestly thats better than fixed IP right
05:58 < m4221> misspwn_: it's friday. My mind is in the gutter
05:59 < aName> genr8_: Yeah, and it was set for DHCP out of the box
05:59 < aName> genr8_: Getting it paired with their cloud service without the display was... annoying
05:59 < m4221> genr8_: TITleist? Right?
05:59 < aName> (The cable for the display is laughably flimsy, the used ones never work)
06:00 < m4221> aName: I will take jap anus relations for 100
06:16 < enix> That was a good walk
06:16 < enix> Hung with some kangaroos and watched a koala show lol
06:17 < rpifan_> why?
06:17 < rpifan_> donest sounds fun
06:18 < enix> Eh the keepers make the koala show quite interesting
06:18 < enix> But the koalas just sleep like 99% of the day lol. There's one though that is really photogenic and it's almost like he's posing for the cameras
06:18 < aName> So it was a koalaity show?
06:19 < enix> aName: 100 points for speed on that one
06:19 < rpifan_> i feel really sad when i think about caged humans
06:19 < rpifan_> and animals in zoos
06:20 < enix> Have you seen our zoo?
06:20 < aName> enix: Where?
06:20 < enix> If I was at taronga maybe, but legit these animals get so much room
06:20 < enix> Can't say but rpifan knows
06:20 < aName> k
06:20 < enix> In Australia though haha
06:21 < aName> That narrows it down.
06:21 < aName> You should mail me some ricordea yuma
06:21 < aName> plskthx
06:21 < enix> I asked about our crocs though because I thought it was a bit cruel having them in such small enclosures, but apparently they used to give them massive enclosures to be a little bit more like where they removed the crocs from
06:22 < aName> too much territory to control
06:22 < enix> BUt back then, when the crocs had all this room, all they really did was hang out in the same spots lol
06:22 < aName> stresses 'em out
06:22 < enix> Not really; they're accustomed to having a large area to patrol
06:22  * aName shrugs
06:22 < aName> I guessed
06:22 < enix> Good guess thoug
06:22 < enix> I can tell you've had fighting fish? :P
06:23 < aName> I've kept all kinds of animals over the years
06:23 < rpifan_> stil ldont think its right
06:23 < aName> but yes
06:23 < rpifan_> there there just for our attention
06:23 < aName> rpifan_: I dunno, my caged animals get a pretty good life free of disease, hunger, or predation
06:23 < aName> rpifan_: In return all they have to do is look pretty
06:24 < enix> rpifan_: the ones on display yeah but they get cycled
06:24 < enix> Except I think some of the African animals who have a gigantic, open bit of land to live in
06:24 < rpifan_> idk but they dont get a choice do they
06:25 < enix> From a business perspective; large enclosures suck because the patrons dont get that up-close experience they came for. So our Africa (when I was a patron) was kind-of a let down because the animals were hundreds of metres away
06:26 < aName> rpifan_: I'm not sure they'd understand it if presented to them
06:26 < rpifan_> just throw the human in the cage and wait and see
06:26 < aName> rpifan_: I mean, something like 1% of the US population does live in a cage
06:26 < enix> But then as someone who does care about animals, I was a lot happier visiting this place. When I went to a zoo down south who have about 1/5th the size we do, I was like "okay, this is a bit cruel..."
06:26 < aName> rpifan_: So it's not like we're being hypocritical =p
06:26 < rpifan_> sad but true
06:27 < enix> Yeah and let's be honest; if you're locked into a soul sucking job it's not like you see much more than your living room and your office
06:27 < aName> enix: Ours was built in the early 1900s
06:27 < aName> enix: And it shows
06:27 < enix> They didn't keep up the maintanence? :(
06:27 < aName> enix: It's not that
06:28 < aName> It's just that it LOOKS like a 100 year old zoo
06:28 < enix> In an uncharming way?
06:28 < aName> Like... small enclosures, lots of straight lines and unnnatural enclosures
06:28 < enix> oh
06:28 < enix> thats a bit sucky :(
06:28 < aName> Yeah
06:28 < enix> Hope they have their animals on rotation to somewhere larger
06:28 < aName> I'm sure.
06:29 < enix> Hm what's the 'minimalist' way of downloading source files without wget
06:29 < enix> Centos 7 minimal
06:29 < enix> curl ?
06:30 < aName> sudo yum install wget & wget URL filename
06:30 < aName> =p
06:30 < enix> Hm so assumptions still on installing from repo
06:30 < aName> I dunno
06:30 < aName> But I wouldn't bother not
06:30 < enix> ~>
06:31 < enix> Stupd keyboard is lingering after depressing shift
06:32 < aName> But yeah, the centos minimal install lives up to the name
06:32 < enix> 100%
06:32 < enix> It's why I love it. I once managed to make it even lighter though.. back in the day
06:33 < enix> But there were only three very specific laptops you could install it on lol
06:36 < aName> I think we've all done silly things like that
06:38 < rpifan_> i kindaw ant to get into info sec
06:38 < rpifan_> unethtical hacking
06:38 < rpifan_> lol
06:39 < enix> aName: it made sense at the time because it was a specific use-case
06:40 < enix> Instead of writing a deploy script which was buggy as fuck, I just created an OS because the harware we used was consistent
06:40 < enix> The requirement was "we want onsite techs, who may not know much about linux, to be able to install it easily and have it fully self-configure"
06:40 < enix> Here's a hacked centos minimal USB with kickstart script hahaha
06:41 < aName> Oh jesus, every time I rewatch Eureka, I forgot how bad the product placements are
06:41 < aName> Like, who uses deodorant like that
06:42 < rpifan_> i enjoy sexhy guy that smell thank u
06:42 < aName> They even end up writing an episode where degree deodorant saves the day in act 5
06:43 < rpifan_> lol
06:43 < enix> what is this
06:44 < enix> the film?
06:44 < aName> enix: It's a bad early 2000s TV series
06:44 < aName> About a town of super scientists
06:44 < aName> being really stupid
06:49 < enix> Sounds about right
06:50 < enix> omg an hour till home time
06:50 < enix> come onnnnnn
06:55 < rpifan_> pauhana
06:56 < rpifan_> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pau%20hana
06:56 <+layer-eight> * rpifan_ →  Urban Dictionary: pau hana
07:14 < genr8_> rpifan_: did you see this i posted it earlier [15:28:17] <genr8_> new Samy Kamkar video piece breaking down the hacking scenes in the movie Oceans 8 https://youtu.be/vycRkEk1384
07:14 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  ⚓  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vycRkEk1384&feature=youtu.be → YouTube → Hacker Breaks Down 'Ocean's 8' Hacking Scenes | WIRED Brand Lab → ⚘ 410,502 ↑ 9,897 ↓ 636 ✍ 996
07:15 < genr8_> i wanna collab with that guy, i know its far fetched but Samy Kamkar in particular is a good kind of hacker to emulate
07:15 < genr8_> google him and check out his other work
07:16 < genr8_> I wanna get into pentesting or hacking shitty IOT products, i feel like thats a low hanging fruit
07:20 < enix> decent
07:20 < enix> I have considered duplicating a wifi network and seeing if I could get people to auto jump on
07:22 < rpifan_> hmm
07:22 < rpifan_> sorry he is too good looking to watch
07:22 < rpifan_> distracting
07:23 < genr8_> look up his other talks on youtube. theyre not as zoomed in :)
07:24 < rpifan_> lol
07:24 < genr8_> man but what a guy tho
07:25 < genr8_> hes my guy crush for the moment
07:25 < enix> he's good looking?
07:26 < genr8_> idk. he has strong features
07:26 < genr8_> im not actually gay
07:27 < enix> rpi is
07:27 < enix> brb
07:27 < enix> have to go for a walk again lol something broke
08:27 < plop> mornin
08:34 < genr8_> wanna wake up? Go for a ride on this rollercoaster https://youtu.be/8gaxEXazvKk
08:34 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  ⚓  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gaxEXazvKk&feature=youtu.be → YouTube → Tatsu Front Seat on-ride HD POV Six Flags Magic Mountain → ⚘ 1,130,216 ↑ 2,960 ↓ 121 ✍ 815
08:42 < plop> yeah looks amazing
08:44 < enix[h]> wow
08:44 < enix[h]> oh dw
08:45 < enix[h]> Slightly beter tonight http://www.speedtest.net/result/7415702888
08:45 <+layer-eight> * enix[h] →  Speedtest by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test
09:06 < xe0n> yo
10:07 < Tzunamii> Morning
10:08 < plop> sup Tzunamii
10:09 < Tzunamii> Sitting here with some fresh coffee trying to see what's in my (blurry) terminal to the right. Self, plop ?
10:09 < plop> yeah. working and today i'll pull like 16h or 20h straight
10:10 < Tzunamii> ouch, working today. I'm glad I don't have anything on my agenda for today.
10:10 < plop> haha, so any interesting project?
10:10 < Tzunamii> What do you do for a living, if you don't mind me asking?
10:11 < plop> i'm the IT guy in a hotel
10:11 < Tzunamii> I've buried my todo-list deep DEEP so my hangover won't find it
10:11 < plop> and today we got an event so... i need to stay just because.
10:11 < plop> hah
10:11 < plop> if nothing breaks, i'll be all night with a rum in my hand
10:12 < Tzunamii> I have a few fun projects I'm looking forward to this summer though
10:12 < plop> and you? what kind of job?
10:12 < Tzunamii> I'm a network & security specialist
10:12 < plop> oh nice.
10:13 < Tzunamii> I never fiddled with a rpi so I'm going to have some fun with one this summer. New custom firewall build in a few weeks. Getting a new half-shitty laptop for some umm...   public pentesting
10:13 < Tzunamii> Got any projects in the bag yourself?
10:14 < plop> haha seems nice, "public pentesting"
10:14 < Tzunamii> Yeah, that's the politically correct term for it
10:14 < Tzunamii> >.>
10:14 < plop> not really. wanna learn ruby so i can make some simple apps for some departments at work
10:14 < plop> hah
10:15 < Tzunamii> I never got into Ruby. It's hard enough to keep the shit I do know inside my head. I swear it tries to escape when I sleep
10:15 < plop> hehe i never coded or scripted, so ruby seems easy enough.
10:16 < plop> just to make some web apps to keep track of tasks, etc. also i need some kind of log book for tasks between shifts.
10:17 < Tzunamii> tbh, it doesn't really matter what you start out with. It's the overall coding mentality (read: how you structure code and solve problems) that's important and what you use to get into another coding language later. The syntax itself you look up when you need to
10:18 < plop> yeah. that is true.
10:18 < plop> where are you located?
10:19 < Tzunamii> Sweden
10:19 < plop> oh cool.
10:19 < plop>  do you eat that fermented fish?
10:20 < Tzunamii> my parents say I did when I was a kid, but I refuse to believe that cuz the smell if horrible.
10:20 < Tzunamii> it is*
10:20 < plop> hahaha
10:20 < plop> there is full of you tube videos of people opening those cans
10:21 < Tzunamii> That tradition stems from the northern part of Sweden so it's not so prevalent as it seems
10:22 < plop> ah i see
10:23 < Tzunamii> The civilized part of Sweden starts around just north of Stockholm :P
10:23 < plop> the rest are vikings?
10:23 < Tzunamii> We have a quite large country, but we're only ~9mil citizens
10:23 < plop> heh
10:23 < plop> yeah, too cold!!
10:23 < plop> i live in spain
10:23 < plop> near barcelona
10:23 < Tzunamii> Again, northern part of Sweden :D
10:24 < Tzunamii> below the great lakes here it's quite nice actually
10:24 < Tzunamii> We also have water to use :)
10:25 < Tzunamii> So, how do you like to live in Spain?
10:25 < plop> well, i live in costa brava, really touristic in summer but the rest of the year is awesome.
10:37 < vader-> sup
10:38 < plop> hey vader-
10:38 < vader-> whats happening
10:39 < plop> not much
10:51 < Tzunamii> oh yeah, this is clearly not my day...   I just got my mustache stuck in a soda can's opening mechanism
10:53 < genr8_> ow
11:01 < vader-> ouch
11:22 <+MillerBOSS> `bofh
11:22 <+layer-eight> BOFH ..disk or the processor is on fire.
11:22 <+MillerBOSS> `bofh
11:22 <+layer-eight> BOFH The ups is on strike.
11:22 <+MillerBOSS> `bofh
11:22 <+layer-eight> BOFH Excessive collisions & not enough packet ambulances
11:22 <+MillerBOSS> `bofh
11:22 <+layer-eight> BOFH Ionization from the air-conditioning
11:22 <+MillerBOSS> Yes
11:23  * varesa thinks of a BOFH addon/button to their service desk software
11:24 <+MillerBOSS> varesa 👉 layer-eight uses https://github.com/funsocietyirc/MrNodeBot/blob/master/scripts/generators/_bofhExcuse.js maybe you can call from the list
11:24 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  GitHub → funsocietyirc → MrNodeBot → Your Friendly NodeJs IRC Bot Framework → @ ~ 3 days ago → JavaScript → ✡ 15 → Forks: 5 → ☹ 5
11:26 <+MillerBOSS> plop 👉 whats up?
11:26 <+MillerBOSS> vader- 👉 wants up?
11:26 <+MillerBOSS> s/wants/what is
11:26 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBOSS] vader- 👉 what is up?
11:27 < Tzunamii> Hmm, could be useful...   https://www.engadget.com/2018/05/31/sensel-morph-trackpad-review/
11:27 <+layer-eight> * Tzunamii →  The Sensel Morph trackpad is a digital creative's dream
11:29 < vader-> just finished another step for my onboarding at the new job
11:29 < vader-> i gotta mess with the W4 forms
11:29 < vader-> and figure out how much to pay uncle sam
11:30 <+MillerBOSS> Well that is news. You got a job, eh
11:30 < plop> sup MillerBOSS
11:31 < plop> `first-seen MillerBOSS MillerBOSS
11:31 <+layer-eight> Seen → MillerBOSS → MillerBOSS → Saying Layer-9 update via Log on #boats2 2 months ago → Changing their nick to MillerBoss on [#boats2] 2 months ago
11:31 < plop> woot!
11:31 < plop> is it working
11:31 <+MillerBOSS> No need to use the nick twice
11:31 < plop> `first-seen cryptic1
11:31 <+MillerBOSS> Yes
11:31 <+layer-eight> I need someone to look for plop
11:31 < plop> boo
11:31 <+MillerBOSS> Oh really
11:31 <+MillerBOSS> IronY 👉 Still broke :P
11:32 < vader-> ya
11:32 < vader-> excited but not at the same time
11:32 < vader-> back working for the man :-/
11:32 <+MillerBOSS> How come? Oh
11:32 <+MillerBOSS> Well work to saving up
11:33 < varesa> MillerBOSS: I'm sure sourcing a list of BOFH excuses is the easy part and figuring how to write plugins to the Jira Service Desk application is the challenge :p
11:33 < vader-> hehe im running out of money and my current firm had no more work lined up yet
11:33 < vader-> and i didn't get my MSP idea off the ground, nor could I quick enough without going homeless
11:34 < vader-> Homeless MSP.... hehe
11:36 <+MillerBOSS> :P
11:37 < varesa> just offer the clients 24/7 on-site service :)
11:39 < vader-> haha
11:39 < vader-> right now im dicking around with my old data hoarding issues hehe
11:40 <+MillerBOSS> Good luck with that. :P
11:40 < vader-> ya
11:40 < vader-> it has been kinda fun
11:41 <+MillerBOSS> I'd rather have data hoarding issues than like drug issues or law issues.
11:41 < vader-> i went to my parents house over the weekend last week and grabbed some computer gear I haven't touched in 15-20 years
11:41 <+MillerBOSS> Right?
11:41 < vader-> hehe true
11:41 <+MillerBOSS> Oh ya I remember. Still checking out those drives?
11:41 < vader-> so im finding all kinds of stuff
11:41 < vader-> ya
11:41 <+MillerBOSS> Anything good?
11:41 < vader-> well what i did was, i kept switching drives in and out trying to remember where stuff was
11:41 < vader-> so i got an 8TB external hard drive
11:41 < vader-> and moved everything onto one drive
11:42 < vader-> because i have multiple copies of everything
11:42 < vader-> ya found some neat stuff
11:42 < vader-> old pictures
11:42 < vader-> school work, projects i used to work on
11:42 < vader-> my massive collection of porn hehe
11:43 < AustinS> :3
11:43 < vader-> as you would expect from an internet savvy teenage kid would have
11:43 < vader-> hehe
11:44 < Tzunamii> vader-: Not every external HDD (controller) supports S.M.A.R.T. Does yours?
11:44 < vader-> hehe it's funny seeing what i was doing at like 10 yro - 15yro
11:44 < vader-> im not 100% sure, i believe it does
11:45 < vader-> it is only temporary
11:45 < vader-> so i can clean shit up and dedupe
11:45 < vader-> ultimate plan is to get into a nice NAS
11:45 < Tzunamii> ok, just making sure you know about the possible issue and plan for it
11:45 < vader-> with multiple drives and hot spares
11:45 < vader-> ya
11:45 < vader-> other thought was to get another 8TB drive and just mirror them with something like robo copy
11:50 < vader-> im kinda upset i don't have any data from 92-97
11:50 < vader-> i must of backed it up elsewhere
11:50 < vader-> i have some zip disks i found
11:50 < vader-> but no zip drive to check them with hehe
11:53 < IronY> MillerBOSS:
11:53 < IronY> set me up with some shell access
11:54 < IronY> we keep missing each other lol
11:54 <+MillerBOSS> You bet
11:55 < vader-> it was funny i had like 10 IDE drives and total i was able to use up like 150GB
11:55 < vader-> hehe
11:55 < vader-> now i have some 1.5TB, 2TB, 4TB external drives
11:55 < vader-> hehe
11:55 < vader-> that are maxed
12:03 < vader-> im waiting for 14TB  drives to drop and then the prices of everything else will come down
12:03 < vader-> it's nice to see 12TB drives in the low $400s
12:13 < AustinS> yeah cost per GB on 10 vs 12 is almost same, if not some 12's ive seen lower occasionally.. was looking to build up a new NAS and was looking at filling it alllll with 12's
12:16 < vader-> look into this
12:16 < vader-> https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7fx0i0/wd_easystore_8tb_compendium/
12:17 <+layer-eight> * vader- →  WD Easystore 8TB Compendium : DataHoarder
12:17 < vader-> WD has these external 8TB drives that actually have their NAS Red drives in them for $169.99
12:20 < monoxane> damn you americans
12:20 < monoxane> 8tb drives are $400 here
12:20 < monoxane> even with the MyBook trick
12:21 < vader-> damn
12:31 < vader-> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VCQ64DkfM
12:31 <+layer-eight> * vader- →  YouTube → How to "Shuck" (remove) the WD RED drive from a Western Digital Easystore 8TB → ⚘ 56,728 ↑ 716 ↓ 10 ✍ 110
12:41 < Church-> monoxane: Ha Ha Ha. Bow before my power.
12:46 < Tzunamii> vader-: Nice video. Always appreciated
12:46 < vader-> np... the guy did a good job opening that up without destroying the case
12:46 < vader-> first time i ever seen someone crack one open and not mangle it
12:47 < Tzunamii> I did the same once with a 1TB WD external. I used a screwdriver and a lot violence
12:47 < Tzunamii> I won
12:52 < Tzunamii> Hmm, I really want to go i3 today, but the hangover makes it a bit sketchy
13:42 < L3gacy> I need bacon...
13:54 < onicrom> dont we all
13:56  * betrayed has bacon
14:08 < L3gacy> I cut my gigabit fiber down to 150/150
14:09 < L3gacy> Saved $30 / month.  Now getting ready to return my tv box, router, and repeater to save another 28
14:09 < AustinS> :( y u do that
14:09 < AustinS> what was it before? :X
14:09 < L3gacy> gigabit
14:09 < L3gacy> 980/940
14:09 < AustinS> also omg setting up ip helper-address saved my live, so glad pxe boot worked in other building
14:10 < AustinS> that drop worth $30!? :(  wish i could get gig at home
14:10 < AustinS> 400/40 getting setup cable on Tuesday..
14:10 < L3gacy> I'm on disability, now
14:10 < L3gacy> 597/month
14:10 < L3gacy> rent is 208 (rent is subsidized by disability)
14:10 < L3gacy> FiOS was $149.99 /month
14:10 < AustinS> :( and i guess 150/150 is still crazy good... literally top tier is only 40 up what
14:10 < AustinS> oh wow that's expensive for fios ok lol
14:10 < AustinS> understandnddable
14:11 < L3gacy> Electric is $100/month
14:11 < L3gacy> then I need noms
14:11 < L3gacy> so 458 goes out to bills, every month
14:12 < L3gacy> FML
14:12 < L3gacy> and my face just went half numb from my yawning.  I popped my jow and pinched a nerve
14:12 < L3gacy> *jaw
14:12 < AustinS> O_O
14:12 < L3gacy> I had Bell's Palsy, too :P
14:12 < AustinS> and yea i almost had to go on long term disability @ my work, used up alll my short term til the last day pretty much.. and even came back earlier than i should cause of broken wrists.. but was going insane
14:13 < L3gacy> Asthma/COPD/Anxiety/Bipolar/Schizo
14:13 < L3gacy> Boredome can drive you nuts
14:13 < AustinS> yess it can
14:13 < L3gacy> Lost my shit on $EX_BOSS
14:13 < L3gacy> demanding I come in, despite my quitting, threatening to come over and get me to take me to work
14:14 < L3gacy> Flat out told him, there's ONE outcome.  Me in jail
14:14 < AustinS> sounds like crazy ex boss..
14:14 < AustinS> who threatens to come get someone lol
14:14 < L3gacy> A guy with a wish for a rib spreading stab wound?
14:15 < L3gacy> Listening to Matisyahu :)
14:17 < L3gacy> I want to work :(
14:17 < L3gacy> Sitting home all day with anxiety and depression is NOT GOOD
14:19 < AustinS> side/pet projects!
14:19 < AustinS> brb stomachhh
14:37 < vader-> could try to side hustle on upwork or something
14:37 < vader-> bring in some cash
14:38 < vader-> or do that adsense thing millerboss is doing on youtube
14:38 < vader-> sperm donor
14:38 < vader-> also they are now looking for poop donors
14:38 < vader-> for people who get poop injections
14:39 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah I still need to recreate my youtube channels since that fucker from Vietnam fucked my shit up :P
14:39 < vader-> could open an etsy store
14:39 <+MillerBOSS> Only if I wasn't wanting to do 13 different things at once vader-
14:39 <+MillerBOSS> Sure.
14:40 < vader-> my boy has a vinyl business on amazon hehe
14:40 < vader-> makes decent cash from that
14:40 <+MillerBOSS> Just flipping them?
14:40 < vader-> uber
14:40 < vader-> he makes them
14:40 < vader-> has a vinyl machine
14:41 < vader-> it is dirt cheap
14:41 <+MillerBOSS> So what is the music?
14:41 < AustinS> oh yay its generator testing day apparently today
14:41 <+MillerBOSS> Rip from iTunes to Vinyl? lol
14:41 < vader-> he makes a batch of like 20-30 of the same design, color, etc... then sends them to amazon
14:41 < vader-> they take care of shipping them and stuff
14:41 < vader-> no hehe vinyl designs
14:41 < vader-> like you stick on stuff
14:41 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah they do that for t-shirts
14:42 <+MillerBOSS> Ahh
14:42 < vader-> ya but they do well with ones people buy for their laptops and phones and shit
14:42 < AustinS> ohh ok like vinyl decals :P yeah i was confused too :P
14:42 <+MillerBOSS> Yeah vinyl I was thinking records
14:42 < vader-> haha na
14:43 < vader-> it might cost him like 30 cents to make like 30-50 of them
14:43 < vader-> in materials
14:43 < AustinS> omg on ffmpeg I did -crf 0 instead of 20, typo, and all the sudden this ..
14:43 < vader-> and then he sells them for like $5-7 each
14:43 < AustinS> 400 MB webm was a 2.5 GB and it was only 1/2 thru lol
14:43 < vader-> but he sends those 30-50 to amazon's warehouse
14:43 <+MillerBOSS> Interesting
14:43 < vader-> and they do all the individual shipping
14:43 <+MillerBOSS> Yup FBA
14:44 < vader-> he just has to setup the product page, store, etc and then make the products
14:44 < vader-> biggest issue is finding popular stuff to make that isn't copyrighted
14:44 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/ss/hfasBkG.jpg
14:44 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 20,663 bytes
14:44 < AustinS> my.. machine.. is crawling.. lol
14:44 < vader-> hehe i had another buddy who makes a starwars store basically every year
14:44 < vader-> towards christmas
14:45 < vader-> and he eventually gets shut down
14:45 < vader-> but he cleared like 80K one year
14:45 <+MillerBOSS> What do you mean store?
14:45 < vader-> like you know how on ebay you can have your auctions and then a store that shows all them
14:45 < vader-> basically his account
14:45 <+MillerBOSS> OK that makes sense
14:47 < AustinS> ohh 4k video did not notice that at first :x
14:47 <+MillerBOSS> User error
14:47 < AustinS> explains the painful ffmpeg :p
14:48 < AustinS> ok time to reboot my comps just being wonky I decided
14:57 < MillerBOSS> AustinS 👉 I fixed it now
14:57 < MillerBOSS> This one is not very original though
14:59 < AustinS> lol :p can always switch it! but nice
15:02 < AustinS> ill see if i can find something better :p
15:52 < rpifan_> hi
15:53 < MillerBOSS> Everybody was
15:53 < MillerBOSS> Kungfo fighting
15:54 < rpifan> yea
16:06 < onicrom> why do sports broadcasters all wear suits
16:06 < onicrom> i dont get it
16:08 < Atro> its a classical professional thing
16:08 < DLSteve> onicrom, What else would they ware? Suits are kind of standard for any kind of on air broadcasting.
16:08 < onicrom> i guess, just something more casual
16:08 < MillerBOSS> Even for bowling
16:09 < DLSteve> Even the late night talk show hosts wear them, who are just standup comedians if you think about it.
16:10 < MillerBOSS> https://www.esquire.com/style/a43272/history-of-sportscasters-bad-style/
16:10 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  The Long, Sordid History of Horribly Dressed Sportscasters
16:11 < DLSteve> Lets see how horribly wrong this CI/CD pipeline goes.
16:14 < onicrom> they are totally ignoring Don Cherry
16:14 < MillerBOSS> The Juice https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/s-nfl-monday-night-football-sportscasters-oj-simpson-don-meredith-and-picture-id517362776
16:14 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 577,294 bytes
16:15 < rpifan> https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/john-mcafee-poisoned-hospital-bitcoin-twitter-cryptocurrency-north-carolina-a8412341.html
16:15 <+layer-eight> * rpifan →  John McAfee says he has been poisoned, and tells culprits: 'You will soon understand the true meaning of wrath' | The Independent
16:16 < onicrom> mcafee is insane
16:16 < rpifan> yes
16:42 < onicrom> guinness has a lager
16:42 < onicrom> did not know that
16:49 < onicrom> i dont understand how these broadcasters have so much to say about a game after its over
16:53 < rpifan> r they spanish
17:01 <+AnonymooseWork> si
17:02 <+AnonymooseWork> whats up gents
17:04 < Nightcinder> not work
17:05 < rpifan> looking for euro jobs
17:05 < rpifan> i think im gonna expand my search past germany
17:05 <+AnonymooseWork> nice
17:05 <+AnonymooseWork> Nightcinder ic ic
17:05 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm working :(
17:05 < Nightcinder> rekt
17:05 < rpifan> why saturday work is ilegsl
17:06 < MillerBOSS> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17375831
17:06 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IRC.com Bought by London Trust Media, Pledges an IRC Revival | Hacker News
17:07 <+AnonymooseWork> lol rpifan
17:07 <+AnonymooseWork> you wish
17:07 < rpifan> the fuck MillerBOSS
17:07 < rpifan> also it is in germany
17:07 < rpifan> or so i hear
17:12 < Sousapro> Wife buys a motorcycle with a chain
17:13 < Sousapro> Chain maintenance does not look fun, I wished her luck lmao
17:13 < rpifan> lol
17:14 <+AnonymooseWork>  lol
17:14 < rpifan> do bike not come with chains
17:14 < rpifan> ?
17:14 <+AnonymooseWork> belts
17:17 < Sousapro> Or shaft driven
17:18 < Sousapro> But there are a lot of chains out there. It's a great way to transfer power but oiling constantly looks like it sucks
17:18 < Sousapro> I'm going to install a chain oiler on the bike if she asks me to lube it lol
17:19 < rpifan_> well my bike
17:19 < rpifan_> has a chain
17:19 < rpifan_> lol
17:19 < Sousapro> Ain't nobody got time for every 300 to 500 miles
17:21 < rpifan_> yea
17:21 < rpifan_> but my bike only goes 30 miles tops
17:21 < Sousapro> Grom?
17:22 < rpifan_> pedal
17:31 < Sousapro> lol
17:32 < Sousapro> Lubing a bike chain I'll definitely do
17:32 < Sousapro> This is more like having to do it monthly
17:34 <+AnonymooseWork> hmm
17:35 < onicrom> theres going to be another "earth quake" in mexico
17:35 < onicrom> lol
17:36 <+AnonymooseWork> ?
17:40 < onicrom> when they scored against germany
17:40 < onicrom> everyone in mexico jumped at the same time
17:40 < onicrom> which set off earth quake alerts
17:41 <+AnonymooseWork> hahaha
17:41 < onicrom> they're currently 1-0 against korea
18:06 < misspwn> my computer has been blue screening more and more. what's a good dmp reader
18:12 < abakedapplepie> Nirsoft
18:23 < Sousapro> misspwn: the best dump reader is memtest ;)
18:23 < misspwn> :p
18:23 < Sousapro> misspwn: it's been ram or graphics memory 29/30 of the times I've seen random blue screens
18:23 < misspwn> the event logs are just like hey you were on google looking for dank food and we shut down oops
18:24 < Sousapro> power supply
18:24 < rpifan> hi misspwn
18:24 < Sousapro> seriously
18:24 < Sousapro> what PSU is there?
18:24 < sideup66> grr
18:24 < misspwn> its a T550 lenovo
18:24 < misspwn> hi rpifan !
18:24 < Sousapro> okay probably not then ;)
18:24 < Sousapro> I've seen a lot of cheap PSUs cause weirdness before as well
18:25 < misspwn> it still could be hardware or a driver though
18:25 < Sousapro> true
18:25 < Sousapro> but I'm very interested in hearing if it's RAM/VRAM when you're done
18:25 < Sousapro> for my informal straw pole lol
18:26 < misspwn> i'll do a mem test when i leave and see what the results are
18:26 < Sousapro> dude, how have I never listened to Royal Blood before?
18:26 < Sousapro> those two guys are incredible
18:26 < Sousapro> even though I'm salty they don't have a bass player lol
18:26 < rpifan> sup
18:27 < misspwn> rpifan, just looking at places for a food adventure redmeption maybe go look at some antique stores
18:27 < misspwn> yes i'm 60
18:28 < Sousapro> antiques are cool, I'm just not willing to pay $kidney for furniture
18:28 < Sousapro> but I have no qualms spending money on computer equipment and motorcycles
18:28 < misspwn> it's rare we get a day where the weather is not 100% swamp ass outside so i kinda want to take advantage of it
18:28 < Sousapro> florida?
18:28 < Sousapro> Orlando has been murdering me recently lol
18:28 < sideup66> gah tmobile is pissing me off right now
18:28 < sideup66> cant turn off a service
18:29 < sideup66> chat wont answer
18:29 < misspwn> Sousapro, oh yeah it's mostly window shopping honestly. don't really have a certain mindset on anything i need. and i live around what reddit has blown up to be one of the most racist places
18:29 < sideup66> option literally isnt even on my account site
18:29 < misspwn> think ferguson
18:29 < sideup66> and shortcode wont work
18:29 < sideup66> dafuq
18:29 < Sousapro> sideup66: which one?
18:29 < rpifan> SIGH
18:29 < sideup66> bingeon
18:29 < Sousapro> sideup66: I was a tmo rep a few years ago
18:29 < rpifan> gma is talking about all the euripean ilegals
18:29 < Sousapro> sideup66: what plan are you?
18:29 < sideup66> sent the #263# shortcode
18:29 < sideup66> 50 dollar per mo simply prepaid iirc
18:29 < Sousapro> s/you/you on
18:30 <+layer-eight> [SED Sousapro] sideup66: what plan are you on?
18:30 < sideup66> yep
18:30 < Sousapro> yeah, hmm let me look
18:30 < sideup66> 50 dollar prepaid
18:30 < Sousapro> I know they've made it way harder to deal with simple choice plans recently
18:30 < sideup66> did the shortcode thing, and it either errors out or tells me its stuck processing
18:31 < sideup66> shame, i like their service, simple and straightforward
18:31 < sideup66> then they do something stupid and ruin it
18:31 < sideup66> only thing i give verizon over them is that verizon is alot more consistent
18:31 < sideup66> with data
18:33 < Sousapro> yeah, the prepaid offering is kind of shameful tbh
18:33 < sideup66> honestly if verizon wasnt so stingy with prepaid and streaming i wouldve stayed with em
18:33 < Sousapro> unless they've changed things since 2015 the prepaid customer service is like 3/10 compared to like 8/10 on postpaid
18:33 < Sousapro> have you ever talked to an american rep when you call 611?
18:34 < Sousapro> also what phone are you using with them?
18:35 < Sousapro> make sure it's got 600mhz band support http://maps.spectrumgateway.com/t-mobile-600-mhz.html
18:35 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  T-Mobile's 600 Mhz winning bids
18:35 < Sousapro> tmobile is in the process of effectively doubling their LTE coverage with x-ray levels of signal penetration but only if your phone supports it
18:36 < Sousapro> (I mean not literally but 600mhz is kind of ridiculous with how much better it is then mid band)
18:37 < Sousapro> I just verified I have easy access to the binge on controls on simple choice north america postpaid
18:37 < Sousapro> sorry sideup66 :(
18:38 < Sousapro> sideup66: does this page display for you? https://my.t-mobile.com/profile/media_settings
18:38 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  ⚓  URL Redirected
18:38 < sideup66> Sousapro: i dont think she understands
18:39 < sideup66> i dont think the stupid person on the phone understands
18:39 < sideup66> and sounds distracted
18:39 < sideup66> like oh....we dont have that anymore
18:39 < Sousapro> sounds like from the Philippines?
18:40 < Sousapro> not try to talk trash but the phillipines partner call centers are not good
18:40 < Sousapro> s/try/trying
18:40 <+layer-eight> [SED Sousapro] not trying to talk trash but the phillipines partner call centers are not good
18:41 < rpifan> misspwn, i like einsteins bagels
18:41 < rpifan> great place
18:41 < rpifan> good bagels
18:41 < rpifan> lots of fat and carbs
18:42 < Sousapro> sideup66: you don't have any personal hobby businesses or anything do you? https://www.teltik.com
18:42 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  Prepaid Unlimited Cell Phone Service | $20 Plan, No Contracts, No Overages | Teltik Communications
18:43 < rpifan> might go to the movie thereate
18:43 < rpifan> to watch that mr rogers docu film
18:43 < sideup66> no idea
18:43 < sideup66> the lady sounds so distracted
18:43 < sideup66> i hung up
18:44 < misspwn> i like fat and carbs
18:44 < Sousapro> sideup66: did that link work when you're signed into your my t-mobile account?
18:44 < Sousapro> (not the teltik one, the media settings one)
18:45 < sideup66> it shows nothing
18:45 < sideup66> it shows media settings with nothing under
18:45 < sideup66> dont tell me they turned off the service and now everyone is limited =(
18:45 < sideup66> or did it just go traditional where ill get highspeed til my limit
18:45 < rpifan> u r skinny tho misspwn
18:46 <+AnonymooseWork> lol misspwn
18:46 <+AnonymooseWork> i too like carbs
18:47 <+AnonymooseWork> also
18:47 <+AnonymooseWork> fucking waitress last night got me drunk
18:47 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
18:47 <+AnonymooseWork> she was cute though
18:47 < Sousapro> sideup66: I'm not sure tbh. I loved working for T-mobile but there was no chance of me being able to IT with them unless I got enough experience that it doesn't make sense to go back
18:48 < sideup66> =(
18:48 < Sousapro> sideup66: I legit loved working with the crew I worked with
18:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: also making like $18/hr in the midwest when rent was $500/mo wasn't a bad thing
18:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: I'd reach out over social media to t-mobile
18:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: the prepaid folks are... less than optimally educated on anything
18:50 < Sousapro> probably shouldn't say all that but I keep t-mo postpaid because of the begging I got on calls from prepaid folks :(
18:50 < Sousapro> hopefully it's better now but doesn't sound like it
18:55 < misspwn> rpifan, i'm skinny because i stuff my face in moderation
18:55 < sideup66> ugh
18:55 < misspwn> usually by intermittent fasting
18:55 < sideup66> i called back
18:56 < sideup66> the guy looked at datamaximizer despite saying BINGE ON
18:56 < sideup66> then told me the app is being updated (lol)
18:56 < sideup66> so why not shortcodes.
18:56 < sideup66> oh ill have to call tech dept to see why that is not working
18:56 < sideup66> wut
18:56 < Nightcinder> thinking of giving my gf my xbox controller so she can play games
18:58 < sideup66> thats twice i heard its disabled
18:58 < sideup66> wtf
19:00 < sideup66> Sousapro: now im in the "technical dept"
19:00 < sideup66> wat
19:00 < rpifan> i cant do that
19:00 < rpifan> i need mittent eating
19:01 < sideup66> i dont even care if the shortcode has a problem
19:01 < sideup66> just turn it off
19:01 < sideup66> by next month it should be fine
19:01 < Sousapro> sideup66: could also just be things lagging. the maintenance on the simple choice plans has been much reduced since they are grandfathered and it's been one for a while now
19:01 < Sousapro> not making excuses just stating facts
19:03 < sideup66> i wonder that too
19:03 < sideup66> so i want them to just kill it from their end
19:03 < sideup66> so we are good
19:03 < sideup66> thats fine if it lags, but if im in my car i am using spotify (getting the plan soonish)
19:04 < sideup66> and netflix of course on the road
19:04 < sideup66> at home meh, i have wifi
19:05 < sideup66> it could be netflix screwing up too
19:05 < sideup66> but fast.com shows high speed to them
19:06 < sideup66> Sousapro: ill bet this is all the death of net neutrality
19:06 < sideup66> and like you said too looking a t the calendar, most plans are renewing now
19:06 < sideup66> so it could just be slammed
19:07 < Sousapro> I don't think it's anything more than T-mobile modernizing systems
19:07 < Sousapro> they had insane tech debt when I worked with them
19:07 < Sousapro> like to the point that the succeed in spite of their systems instead of because of them
19:07 < Sousapro> s/that the/that they
19:07 <+layer-eight> [SED Sousapro] like to the point that they succeed in spite of their systems instead of because of them
19:08 < Sousapro> it could legit just be back end changes that are making it hard to make changes to legacy plans
19:08 < Sousapro> I don't ask for any changes to my plan at this point
19:08 < Nightcinder>  Now, following the court’s decision, states can start charging sales tax on internet purchases even when a retailer has no physical presence in that state.
19:08 < sideup66> this plan isnt legacy
19:08 < Nightcinder> sooo
19:08 < sideup66> its like 3 months old lol
19:08 < Nightcinder> that'll be fuuuuuuuuuuun
19:08 < sideup66> simply prepaid 50 bucks is current
19:09 < sideup66> it was a promo i got into
19:09 < sideup66> i wouldnt ask them to touch it if this worked
19:09 < Sousapro> sideup66: it's piggy backing off of the simple choice on postpaid
19:09 < sideup66> he is saying the service was removed from my acct
19:09 < sideup66> ohgodwhy
19:09 < Sousapro> wat
19:09 < Sousapro> that's wrong
19:09 < Sousapro> :(
19:09 < sideup66> annnd he dropped
19:09 < sideup66> what in the fuck
19:10 < sideup66> he called back
19:10 < sideup66> that is cool of him actually
19:11 < sideup66> he asked me to try the shortcode
19:13 < sideup66> Sousapro: nooooow im starting over
19:13 < sideup66> what the fuck
19:13 < traaak> :(
19:13 < Sousapro> sideup66: did he add the feature back?
19:13 < MillerBOSS> :)
19:14 < sideup66> nope
19:14 < Sousapro> ...
19:14 < Sousapro> I hate prepaid so much
19:14 < Sousapro> 100% of the savings comes from customer service
19:14 < Sousapro> no matter where you are going
19:14 < Sousapro> I mean Fi isn't terrible
19:14 < Sousapro> but the rest...
19:14 < Sousapro> :(
19:15 < Nightcinder> ur terrible
19:15 < sideup66> oh the plan is not availible now Sousapro
19:15 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: you know it
19:15 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: why else would I be a sysadmin?
19:16 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: I'm not good at bending over and spelling run
19:16 < Sousapro> the way americans treat people in service jobs is -1/10
19:17 < Sousapro> like I've yelled at people being assholes to people at fast food joints before
19:17 < Sousapro> because the poor 15 year old kid didn't do anything wrong and you're screaming at them and insulting them
19:17 < sideup66> telling me oh its not availible
19:17 < sideup66> wat
19:18 < sideup66> i got it when i left the tmo store after signing up
19:18 < sideup66> i havent changed the plan since i signed up
19:18 < sideup66> so.....something happened
19:18 < sideup66> and is fucked on my account
19:18 < Sousapro> people who are real brave when bullying 100 lbs kids change their demeanor when they turn around and see 6'8" tall bearded biker scowling at them before calling them on their shit
19:19 < sideup66> wut
19:19 < sideup66> hes asking about my phone switching from verizon 3 months ago Sousapro
19:19 < sideup66> lol
19:19 < Sousapro> ...
19:19 < Sousapro> do you want help flipping the table?
19:19 < catbeard> Sousapro: they get really brave before they find out they work for you
19:19 < Sousapro> I can help
19:19 < sideup66> please burn it
19:19 < sideup66> they told me oh, dont worry long as you pay the bill plan is the same
19:19 < sideup66> and i quietly renewed month to month
19:20 < Sousapro> are you on t-mobile one or something now?
19:20 < catbeard> sideup66: use the t-mobile app, and request CS there
19:20 < Sousapro> ++
19:20 < Sousapro> catbeard: yeah, that too
19:20 < catbeard> their billing is kinda fucked tbh
19:20 < catbeard> like i paid my first bill in-store with the phone
19:20 < catbeard> then called and set up autopay
19:20 < Sousapro> catbeard: I would be the worst CTO ever. I'd just politely stand there and take the abuse... and then make a comment to operations about my experience and how disappointed I was
19:21 < sideup66> i did catbeard the chat doesnt even respond
19:21 < catbeard> sideup66: phone not chat
19:21 < Sousapro> catbeard: he's prepaid
19:21 < catbeard> ouch
19:21 < Sousapro> catbeard: yeah
19:21 < Sousapro> catbeard: there's a reason I "overpay"
19:22 < catbeard> Sousapro: i'd just trip them in front of a glass door on their way out
19:22 < Sousapro> catbeard: I was a CSR for t-mobile for a while and the begging for help that I got from prepaid on their last straw before I was forced to transfer them back cemented never going that way for me
19:22 < catbeard> Sousapro: still have watson access then?
19:23 < Sousapro> grown people begging because I was competent and knew what I was doing and the despair when they heard I had to transfer them to the prepaid queue was heartbreaking
19:23 < Sousapro> catbeard: I actually used samson on the back end
19:23 < Sousapro> was kind of like watson but very billing focused
19:23 < Sousapro> I could do anything in there insanely quickly
19:24 < Sousapro> quickview on the other hand...
19:24 < Sousapro> I hate when every place goes from expert systems to slow crap because expert systems require technical skill and brainpower
19:24 < Sousapro> can't have systems that you could pretty much trash an entire account because some stooge will
19:24 < catbeard> slow it down so the customer has to spend more time in the store
19:25 < sideup66> now my plan never existed
19:25 < Sousapro> catbeard: trust me, no one at the store level wants that
19:25 < catbeard> sideup66: you never existed
19:25 < sideup66> Sousapro: are these people that stupid
19:25 < sideup66> wat
19:25 < Sousapro> sideup66: yes
19:25 < sideup66> im about to just go to the store and say wtf
19:25 < Sousapro> sideup66: I got onto a family plan with my brother and his wife to avoid them
19:25 < sideup66> so you are postpaid
19:25 < Sousapro> yes
19:25 < sideup66> and thta offers the bingeon
19:26 < Sousapro> I can control it but I'm on a legacy plan
19:26 < Sousapro> you can control it with T-mobile one but it requires an add-on
19:26 < Sousapro> do you have anyone you can split an account with?
19:26 < Sousapro> or do you want a solo account?
19:27 < sideup66> hes just arguing with me
19:27 < sideup66> im solo
19:27 < sideup66> prepaid
19:27 < Sousapro> :(
19:27 < Sousapro> I'm so sorry
19:27 < Sousapro> #reasonswhyInolongerworkfortmobile
19:28 < Sousapro> it's definitely a tale of two cities between pre and postpaid
19:30 < sideup66> does postpaid offer bingeon
19:32 < sideup66> it sounds like it does
19:32 < sideup66> that was my tmo mass appeal
19:33 < sideup66> i feel like with prepaid between here and verizon Sousapro that if you are prepaid you get punished by the carrier for wanting an affordable plan
19:40 < sideup66> he says he disabled it from his end
19:41 < sideup66> oh so now
19:41 < sideup66> pad or pat, turned ON my data maximizer
19:41 < sideup66> which does show
19:41 < sideup66> wtf
19:41 < MillerBOSS> Pat, yes
19:41 < sideup66> Sousapro: ^
19:42 < sideup66> can i burn a bus full of schoolchildren now
19:42 < MillerBOSS> <
19:42 < MillerBOSS> >
19:42 < sideup66> terrible but that is the level of evil this is driving me to
19:42 < Sousapro> sideup66: not that you're being punished, just that prepaid pays a tiny fraction of what postpaid is willing to do
19:43 < sideup66> and they GAVE ME THEFEATURE WHEN I SIGNED UP
19:43 < Sousapro> sideup66: customer service is a massive percentage of t-mobile postpaid's costs
19:43 < sideup66> I HAD 0 ISSUES WITH SAID FEATURE
19:43 < Sousapro> I would send an email to John.Legere@T-Mobile.com about your experience
19:44 < Sousapro> leave me out of it but he and his office responds and fixes major issues
19:44 < Sousapro> you've done due diligence on this
19:44 < Sousapro> let the executive resolution team do theirs now
19:45 < sideup66> isnt that the owner of tmo
19:46 < sideup66> now im seeing throttling going on from fast
19:46 < DLSteve> heh, one of my old coworkers just got a job at T-Mobile
19:46 < sideup66> i want to also go to the store
19:46 < sideup66> DLSteve: then fix my bingeon dammit
19:46 <+AnonymooseWork> oh ffs
19:46 < DLSteve> sideup66, I use AT&T >.>
19:47 < Sousapro> sideup66: he's the CEO and yeah send him an email
19:47 < Sousapro> sideup66: the store has the same systems (or worse) as customer service does
19:47 < Sousapro> sideup66: they may have english as a first language so that may help
19:47 < MillerBOSS> And your gonna have a heart attack pretty quick dude.
19:47 < Sousapro> I just don't want you to have any expectations about your store visit outcome
19:48 < catbeard> Sousapro: what's John's title?
19:48 < Sousapro> catbeard: chief executive officer
19:48 < catbeard> shit lol
19:48 < sideup66> that sounds crazy though if they really would respond
19:48 < sideup66> then shit would get interesting
19:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: they do
19:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: he has a team that works with him that works through all of the external/customer emails that makes sure stuff gets fixed
19:49 < Sousapro> sideup66: and he tends to respond personally when things are super pear shaped and he wants it just fixed
19:49 < Sousapro> the guy is cool AF
19:50 < DLSteve> sideup66, I've emailed Microsofts CEO in the past, obviously he did not respond but I got a call from someone in executive support 45 min later lol.
19:50 < MillerBOSS> s/AF/as ALF
19:50 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBOSS/Sousapro] the guy is cool as ALF
19:50 < Sousapro> he and a friend walked into a meeting with Deutsche Telekom and an hour later is CEO of t-mobile
19:50 < Sousapro> anything good from t-mobile since the failed AT&T merger is on him and his team
19:51 < sideup66> really
19:51 < Sousapro> (so is most of the bad things but the improvement is like 1000x so definitely better than before)
19:51 < MillerBOSS> What failed merger?
19:51 < sideup66> that is crazy
19:51 < sideup66> ill give it a shot if this guy doesnt call me back
19:51 < sideup66> i doubt it
19:51 < sideup66> but yes ill try that and of course ill keep your name out of it as i assume support reps shouldnt do that
19:52 < Sousapro> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_purchase_of_T-Mobile_USA_by_AT%26T
19:52 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  Attempted purchase of T-Mobile USA by AT&T - Wikipedia
19:52 < Sousapro> basically it failed and AT&T had to give money and spectrum to t-mobile
19:52 < MillerBOSS> Oh yeah, that
19:53 < Sousapro> which allowed them to kickstart their growth and kept feeding the profits into growing the business
19:53 < DLSteve> did the T-Mobile Sprint merger go through?
19:53 < Sousapro> t-mobile had effectively failed to be more effective than like an urban mobile carrier as of 2011
19:53 < Sousapro> I think it is
19:53 < Sousapro> I'm less impressed with this one
19:53 < Sousapro> sprint blows
19:53 < Sousapro> but less competition isn't good
19:53 < DLSteve> right
19:54 < Sousapro> I gave those wankers 6 years of failed promises
19:54 < Sousapro> I told them where to stick their service in 2013
19:54 < Sousapro> I should have bailed earlier when it was obvious that they didn't actually care
19:55 < DLSteve> I'm not a fan of AT&T but they somehow come off less scummy than Verizon.
19:55 <@JollyRgrs> nope, not in my books
19:55 <@JollyRgrs> AT&T you know now is not ATT but in fact, Cingular
19:55 <@JollyRgrs> when I used to have ATT (prior to the buyout)it was great. Cingular promise existing users would not be impacted, etc.
19:56 <@JollyRgrs> 2 yrs after (after last ATT contracts were up), they started cutting off our access to cell towers until i had no signal inside my own home (used to be full bars)
19:56 < Sousapro> DLSteve: ++
19:56 <@JollyRgrs> they wanted me to switch to a cingular SIM
19:56 < Sousapro> DLSteve: they're very vanilla but they're pretty good
19:56 <@JollyRgrs> i said f that noise and moved to VZW and stuck ever since
19:56 <@JollyRgrs> the only downside to moving at the time was that vzw had no nokia phones
19:56 < Sousapro> DLSteve: I'm not a fun of VZW because Verizon is everything wrong with the mobile market in the US
19:57 < DLSteve> JollyRgrs, I mean thats not uncommon. Verizon does will do the same thing once they move completely to GSM LTE and retire CDMA.
19:57 < Sousapro> everyone going to VoLTE is a great thing
19:57 <@JollyRgrs> but the problem was they wanted me to get on a cingular contract
19:57 < MillerBOSS> Reminds me of https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/108627/417532ec-1b2c-4789-93a5-6f84687a20c8/image.png
19:57 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 2,603,477 bytes
19:58 < Sousapro> as is all of the major phones going to 100% compatibility with all carriers
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> which there were ZERO positives to move, i'd lose a lot of my current perks
19:58 < DLSteve> JollyRgrs, Ah gotcha.
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> and it wasn't gsm vs cmda, it was just att vs cingular
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> and since cingular bought out, they didn't want any of the old contracts (b/c they were GOOD contracts)
19:58 < MillerBOSS> Different companies using the same name
19:58 <@JollyRgrs> no?
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> cingular bought out ATT, but then used ATT's name b/c it was better
19:59 < MillerBOSS> You mean ATT Wireless
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> oh, i didn't click your link, lol
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> well, that's going WAY back
19:59 <@JollyRgrs> that old "bell" ATT logo should clue that in, lol
20:00 <@JollyRgrs> primeco... hadn't heard that in a long time (that was my first carrier)
20:00 < MillerBOSS> Me to
20:01 <@JollyRgrs> it was some audiovox with fake woodgrain look on the button cover part iirc
20:01 < MillerBOSS> https://outnfront.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/a-tangled-family-tree.jpg
20:01 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 215,015 bytes
20:03 < MillerBOSS> People had some time making these https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvY_l0kWAAIJ2M_.jpg
20:03 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 147,674 bytes
20:03 < sideup66> okay
20:03 < sideup66> emailing  John.Legere@T-Mobile.com
20:03 < sideup66> Sousapro:
20:03 < sideup66> im done with tech support
20:04 < sideup66> who just turned on the server
20:04 < sideup66> and sy okay done
20:04 < sideup66> wtf
20:04 < sideup66> and im getting high speed to fast now
20:04 < sideup66> jesus almost as fast as my wifi
20:04 < sideup66> but i still wanna poke about this bingeon nonsesne
20:04 < MillerBOSS> https://static.businessinsider.com/image/4a6daa20c1432863111130b9/image.jpg
20:04 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 0 bytes
20:04 < sideup66> nonsense
20:04 <@JollyRgrs> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/ef/fc/cfeffc42f85675cfccb0471ffeb3eb58.jpg
20:04 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 3,989 bytes
20:04 <@JollyRgrs> badquality, but you get the idea
20:06 < MillerBOSS> Holy shit http://ripetungi.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/full-size-mircosoft-companies.jpg and its 7 years old
20:06 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 1,951,883 bytes
20:09 < MillerBOSS> This one is more helpful JollyRgrs https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NaUWegssWcc/TdWIjQGursI/AAAAAAAAE3w/tcZEY26g0ZU/s1600/histroy+of+US+wireless+mergers.JPG
20:09 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 83,515 bytes
20:12 < MillerBOSS> Lets go back to WAP browser too
20:12 <@JollyRgrs> pls not
20:24 <+AnonymooseWork> hehe millendra
20:24 <+AnonymooseWork> err MillerBOSS
20:24 <+AnonymooseWork> fuck
20:24 <+AnonymooseWork> i've been having issues installing stuff on this VM that former coworker setup
20:24 <+AnonymooseWork> ...
20:25 <+AnonymooseWork> its a fucking DEBUG version
20:25 <+AnonymooseWork> ftl
20:25 < MillerBOSS> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
20:25 <+AnonymooseWork> lol
20:25 < BronzeEagle> plz do the neeful
20:26 <+AnonymooseWork> ok
20:26 <+AnonymooseWork> i'm about done for the day
20:26 < BronzeEagle> ok i wait
20:26 <+AnonymooseWork> lol bronze
20:31 <@JollyRgrs> BronzeEagle: it seems our "dots not feathers" bretheren are rubbing off on you
20:31 < BronzeEagle> i loosing thousands of dollars plz escalate
20:33 < DoctorDick> what have you done it to trick microsoft?
20:35 < AustinS> IT let our backup VPN cert expire loll
20:35 < AustinS> MillerBOSS, this is why i cant take shit seriously :p
20:35 <+AnonymooseWork> lol austin
20:36 < MillerBOSS> So ring their on call.
20:36 < DLSteve> lol, we are soo bad at certs. They expire all the time and take out stuff.
20:36 < shanth> just another saturday. trying to fix broken ssl certs because they expired hours ago
20:36 < shanth> takes 18 people to figure out
20:37 < AustinS> i did, other day, when my thing picked up the 3 day warning.  i sent an email this morning that was like "soooooo ... renewed?  do you want me to renew it?"
20:37 < AustinS> "so and so please advise"
20:37 < AustinS> "please advise."
20:37 < AustinS> "yes go ahead" lol
20:37 < AustinS> https://austin.gg/ss/B9OqMnW.jpg
20:37 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 16,779 bytes
20:37 < AustinS> so pretty
20:38 < MillerBOSS> Keep Me Safe
20:38 < AustinS> shoulda just got the cheap domain verification cert but I did OV.. now we wait.. :p
20:39 < AustinS> reminds me again that i never finished doing the EV SSL cert forms.. so tedious
20:40 < AustinS> DLSteve, yep :p I have a system to monitor them all too (these don't fall in my realm of responsibility, but I added just to watch)
20:40 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/XVykTVp.png < the ice cream truck that rides around here is probably the creepiest looking ice cream truck I've ever seen
20:40 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → a few seconds ago → 1730x733 → ⚘ 5
20:41 < DLSteve> AustinS, We have no automation :/ And we have literally thousands of certs all over the place.
20:41 < AustinS> yeah not much automation on my end, but ... a handful of certs
20:41 < AustinS> wildcard on main stuff.  although we have .. LOTS of random domains that redirect
20:42 < shanth> we don't automate anything, we pride ourselves on being a do it by hand shop
20:42 < shanth> like real hard working americans i guess
20:42 < AustinS> and after going all https on our main site, they want https on all the redirect ones too.. so need to automate the provisioning of those (oh MillerBOSS -- thats another reason I needed to redo the DNS servers :P)
20:42 < AustinS> and also having .. whatever SSL termination in front of the rewrite engine serve alll those certs :P
20:42 < DLSteve> We are working on the tooling but there is a ton of special snowflake stuff out there. The IBM application I work with has 5 different trust stores in 3 different formats...
20:42 < AustinS> well yay I'm a hard working american then!! :D for now
20:43 < AustinS> oh god lol
20:43 < AustinS> yeah. pass :P
20:46 < sideup66> hey DLSteve what plans does tmo offer bingeon with
20:46 < DLSteve> no idea
20:54 < sideup66> ugh
20:58 < shanth> i really used to think these things were just memes. people saying that work at a place that doesn't document or automate or do anything properly. i can't believe this is the case
20:59 < kepler> ^ lol
20:59 < AustinS> ugh this is taking ages, i dont think theyre doing verification calls right now lol. im just gonna repoint it, get a LE cert temporarily vs buying a cheaper one and then be done with it
21:00 < shanth> im working in such place kepler
21:00 < kepler> i know, and *most* places are like that
21:00 < shanth> is it common practice to just change jobs when shit hits the fan?
21:00 < shanth> claim to be the new guy for a few years then jump ship again
21:00 < kepler> how long have you been there?
21:01 < shanth> couple years
21:01 < kepler> that long enough in tech
21:01 < shanth> just entered the field with this job
21:01 < shanth> eye opening lol
21:01 < shanth> is it worse on the development side?
21:02 < kepler> why not just automate yourself?
21:02 < DLSteve> basically my job, have spent the past year cleaning up the mess left by some contractors in a rush with no oversight. I have just scratched the surface.
21:02 < shanth> we haven't implemented anything new in years kepler people are afraid to break what we have
21:02 < DLSteve> kepler, It's hard to brownfield automate stuff.
21:03 < shanth> wow that's a great word DLSteve
21:03 < DLSteve> I'm doing it now and it's a challenge with lots of work arrounds and duct tape code.
21:04 < DLSteve> shanth, haha, I learned it from a Puppet engineer lol.
21:04 < shanth> what is the underlying problem? untalented engineers or execs imposing rushed time lines and forcing crappy setups?
21:04 < shanth> haha
21:05 < DLSteve> It's a provisioning system thats tied into a lot of different systems with all kinds of custom and complex behavior that was just haphazardly slapped into it.
21:05 < DLSteve> It's basically like rebuilding a motor while it's running and it absolutely can not have any downtime.
21:06 < shanth> i feel those feels DLSteve
21:06 < DLSteve> Oh and the non prod environment is nothing like the prod one.
21:06 < DLSteve> so I can't end to end test anything.
21:07 < DLSteve> Some things I will just do a unit test and yolo into production lol.
21:07 < DLSteve> Works out about 80% of the time.
21:07 < shanth> kinda in the same boat
21:08 < shanth> i built a test env and everything is nice but it's nothing near the monster that is prod
21:08 < shanth> some systems have not been patched in over 5 yeasrs
21:08 < DLSteve> Right now I'm putting out fires while simultaneously build a migration path to a brand new system set up correctly.
21:09 < shanth> how do you keep sane is the question?
21:09 <@killdash9> 5 years? Amatuers. I've got boxes with 10+ year uptimes. Ok, that's really not a good brag
21:09 < DLSteve> shanth, The system had not been patched in two years when I got to the department. Now I have everything fully up to date with a maintenance schedule. One of the first things I did.
21:10 < shanth> i dont get to make changes like that i'm a jr level but i see all the senior guys are pretty complacent
21:10 < shanth> they wont even listen to suggestions for tools they can utilize outside of production that can just make them more productive
21:10 < DLSteve> I came in at mid level but I just took the initiative to get it done. I actually got a promotion out of it so that was a plus lol.
21:10 < shanth> one guy said ssh-agent was too much work to setup. he'd rather type two passwords when he logs into everything
21:11 <@killdash9> don't mistake complaceny for just playing it safe.
21:11 < shanth> but that's on his local computer killdash9 lol
21:11 <@killdash9> heh, ok, that's just lazy then
21:11 <@killdash9> 'ssh-add' once at the start of your work day. So fucking difficult
21:12 < shanth> it's honestly just stupid
21:12 < DLSteve> Or use a Mac that auto imports from the keychain :P
21:12 < shanth> i've recommended and shown them a dozen or so tools for personal desktop use and they said they were all stupid
21:12 < shanth> things like screen/tmux even
21:13 < DLSteve> I don't use those tbh lol.
21:13 < shanth> they don't use any  tools
21:13 < DLSteve> I just open multiple ssh sessions.
21:13 < shanth> you might be an animal steve
21:13 < shanth> check with your physician
21:14 < DLSteve> eh, thats for the rare case I need more than one session.
21:14 < shanth> yeah i know but i watch these guys log in 5 times into one server to do 5 things and try to watch things
21:14 < shanth> but on my setup i auto start a tmux session to make all those things happen automatically
21:14 < shanth> they do this _all_ day over and over
21:15 < DLSteve> my issue is that most of my remote servers do not have tmux installed.
21:15 < shanth> same here but tmux is running on my machine and it just ssh out and run the command i need once it connects
21:16 < shanth> i've automated as much as i can inside of our do it by hand shop to make my life easier at least
21:16 < DLSteve> so keep in mind when I have multiple ssh sessions to one server it's usually because I'm on multiple accounts.
21:17 < AustinS> had to test the silly vpn ;p
21:17 < shanth> oh we just log in as root cause you know we dont have usernames on our servers
21:17 < DLSteve> wut
21:17 < shanth> oh yeahhhh
21:17 < shanth> who's gonna go around creating usernames on the hundreds of servers? we dont use a config mgmt tool
21:18 < DLSteve> sudo su - will get you in big trouble if you use it in prod where I work lol.
21:18 <@killdash9> geez, even pssh is better than nothing at all
21:18 <+CheckYourSix> shanth: AD/LDAP?
21:18 < shanth> nope CheckYourSix
21:18 <@killdash9> DLSteve: as it should. I've worked places where that'd get you walked to the door
21:18 < shanth> our domain is really bad, most of the admins just use personal computers not even on the domain
21:18 <+CheckYourSix> shanth: What kind of train wreck is that
21:18 < shanth> log in times on the domain can take 5-30 minutes sometimes
21:18 < shanth> lol
21:19 < shanth> i could show you a world you've never seen before CheckYourSix
21:19 < DLSteve> killdash9, It should where I work but it usually ends up with a lecture and all sudo rights revoked.
21:19 < AustinS> ours just leave their SA accounts logged into machines that get yanked during the audits :p
21:19 <+CheckYourSix> shanth: WTF?!?!
21:19 < shanth> hahahaha
21:19 < AustinS> happiest day of my life when they said they obtained a domain admi ncredential
21:19 < AustinS> and then read out the head security guys username
21:19 <@killdash9> DLSteve: close enough
21:20 < DLSteve> AustinS, We have gotten better with that only a handfull of people have DA and they have to use specialized workstations to log in with them.
21:20 <@killdash9> now we've got logging in place so even when someone tries that and goes as far as erasing their history we still see all they did
21:20 < DLSteve> killdash9, I think we have splunk alerts from when it's used in prod.
21:21 < AustinS> DLSteve, yeah that's probably a relatively good way. and like.. common sense like.. don't stay logged in on a server after you're done :p
21:21 < AustinS> i have no idea how many people have DA / where they connect from
21:21 < AustinS> it's .. a decent amount
21:21 <+CheckYourSix> AustinS: Give everyone DA, including end users
21:21 <@killdash9> alerts and kernel levels shell logging that can't be disabled. People are far more careful when they know there's zero possibility to cover their tracks in a fuck up
21:22 < AustinS> good idea i'll suggest to new "security" guy (i have yet to meet him, he may be actually decent)
21:22 < DLSteve> We keep it tightly locked lol. We get requests for DA access all the time which we throw our heads back and laugh.
21:22 < AustinS> yeah only way to stay safe. People get butthurt when I won't give them access to prod servers, but it's the same people that just send their keys around or go modifying shit in places they shouldn't
21:22 < shanth> that's cool DLSteve what does your company do when someone does sudo su -
21:23 <+CheckYourSix> sudo su - all the things
21:24 < DLSteve> shanth, I'm not sure tbh as I'm not on the Incident response team. They will at minimum get a visit from InfoSec at their desk.
21:24 < shanth> oh you have an info sec team
21:24 < shanth> that's cool
21:24 < shanth> sounds like a real company
21:24 < DLSteve> Coworker had a browser crypto miner that he forgot to turn off when he connected to the corp network and InfoSec showed up within ten min lol.
21:25 <+CheckYourSix> DLSteve: ++
21:25 < DLSteve> Our InfoSec is alright. Good at monitoring but I think we need more work in threat mitigation.
21:25 < AustinS> i ran uhh... what was that one program that can transmit files end to end without making direct connections, i forgot.. it was roaming around a few months ago
21:26 < AustinS> anyways there was an option to use Tor or something, and I enabled it.. and i was like damn its just hanging.
21:26 < AustinS> but didn't realize they installed some appliance that picked that up and blocked it.. so it just kept retrying.. got a call on my way home :p
21:27 < AustinS> also brb need to go turn on the after hours hvac switch, its getting kinda cold in here
21:27 < DLSteve> haha yah, lot of the big firewalls look for data exfiltration.
21:27 < DLSteve> Any kind of proxy or unsanctioned VPN is blocked at my work.
21:28 < shanth> how'd they find that? DLSteve
21:28 < DLSteve> Firewall inspect packets as traffic flows through.
21:28 < shanth> our firewall just a distro running in router mode, lol
21:29 < shanth> we could never detect anything like that in a million years
21:29 < shanth> should i make a documentary about where i work?
21:29 < Jekotia> Glorious and unexpected https://camo.githubusercontent.com/3a5ac573a06b00fff8ed6d46f0d4eebb22d9b776/68747470733a2f2f6d65646961302e67697068792e636f6d2f6d656469612f414d7143544875434d46704d342f67697068792e676966
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21:29 < shanth> im slowly finding out that everything we do is insane
21:30 < DLSteve> Honestly I doubt it's not too uncommon for smaller companies. The larger you are the bigger target you are.
21:30 < shanth> that's so cool that you have an info sec team and can actually find someone in person if they are doing something wrong
21:31 < shanth> literally takes 5 guys to figure out what IP belongs to the person logged into it
21:31 < sideup66> So
21:31 < Jekotia> My employer is like a case study in why VM's can be horrible things
21:31 < sideup66> Either I got screwed
21:31 < shanth> one guy is in the ceiling with a cable tracing tool
21:31 < sideup66> Or they went full dick mode
21:31 < Jekotia> Instead of figuring out how to make things work on the same machine, they used to just spin up a new VM on our Scale cluster whenever something new was needed
21:31 <+CheckYourSix> shanth: ..... leave that place ASAP
21:31 < Jekotia> The result is an infrastructure built haphazardly where no one person actually knows how most of it works :|
21:32 < DLSteve> All I can say is Splunk is amazing.
21:32 <+CheckYourSix> I should try Splunk
21:32 < Jekotia> Half the time people come to me with IT issues, I have to track down whoever was responsible for the service in question and get access to it
21:32 < DLSteve> It's expensive but well worth it if you can afford it.
21:32 < sideup66> DLSteve: in1969: what are you doing on 2 kb of code? Going to the moon
21:33 < sideup66> 2018: what are you doing on 4gb of ram? Running xhrome
21:33 < sideup66> Chrome
21:33 < Jekotia> chrome on 4gb?
21:33  * Jekotia laughs
21:33 < DLSteve> Uh more like 8GB.
21:33 < sideup66> Kek
21:33 < sideup66> Slack is using the other 2 and outloook is around 500 mb
21:34 < Jekotia> If only it was easy to keep outlooks disk storage down...
21:34 < Jekotia> I swear only 1% of our employees comprehend that their decade of email has to be stored somewhere and should be deleted if its not necessary
21:35 < Jekotia> "My outlooks slow" *stares at 20GB storage file* "DELETE SOME GOD DAMN EMAIL"
21:35 < DLSteve> One thing I like about O365/G Suite. None of my email is actually on my system.
21:35 < Sousapro> Jekotia: BUT I HAVE 100GIGS
21:36 < Sousapro> Jekotia: I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE 5x THE EMAIL
21:36 < sideup66> Jekotia: yeah, mine is big lol, but it has to be
21:36 < Jekotia> I also recently realised that the IT department may be partly at fault; they like their memes
21:36 < Jekotia> Links? Nah. Embed directtly in email.
21:37 < DLSteve> lol, we have big meme threads going anytime someone calls out sick.
21:38 < shanth> you might be right CheckYourSix
21:39 < DLSteve> Although I think any experience is good experience if you are smart enough. Running joke at my place is we are learning what not to do with examples on how things go sideways.
21:40 < shanth> we have about 4 different logging systems setup. somethings go to some but not others and some go to none. one of the systems generates about 6500 alerts a day in emails - mostly saying that systems are OK or WORKING
21:41 < shanth> the guy calls it his heartbeat server
21:41 < Jekotia> shanth: Replace confirmation of things working with a status page on intranet
21:41 < Jekotia> should only be getting status emails when shit breaks...
21:42 <+CheckYourSix> Go full dark cockpit. No alerts if everything is working.
21:42 <+CheckYourSix> Any alerts = bad
21:42 < shanth> my employee handbook said two things: 1. everything is pretty crappy 2. you can't change anything
21:42 < Jekotia> Floods of emails saying "everything's good" can desensitize you to the alerts, and then some time when you're less than fully alert you just delete it like you would the "OK's"
21:43 < shanth> anytime we get a serious alert there's a lot of fingering poiint about people not watching email alierts
21:43 <+CheckYourSix> See above statement///
21:43 < Jekotia> Likely due to there being too many alerts that no one needs to act on
21:44 < Jekotia> They send out alerts when kids go missing. They don't send out an alert for every kid that's home safely.
21:44 < shanth> i'm in a weird spot, i basically get paid a nice salary to not do much since whenever sometimes breaks it falls on the senior guy cause only he knows how to fix it and he wont write anything down
21:44 < shanth> but im also not doing anything most of the day
21:44 < Jekotia> Because alerts for things that are fine, are shitty alerts
21:44 < shanth> Lol Jekotia
21:44 <+CheckYourSix> shanth: Study and practice everything and bail out. Collect salary in the mean time
21:45 < Jekotia> Definition of alert in this context: (verb) warn (someone) of a danger, threat, or problem, typically with the intention of having it avoided or dealt with.
21:45 < shanth> that's my plan pretty much now CheckYourSix
21:45 < Jekotia> Make the fool responsible for alerts stick to that
21:45 < DLSteve> Jekotia, I do them for certain things but mainly just scheduled tasks that run nightly. Thats just to make sure that they ran.
21:45 < shanth> hard to change a guys mind who has been doing it the same way for 15 years Jekotia
21:45 < Sousapro> jesus
21:46 < DLSteve> not really an alert though.
21:46 < Sousapro> he's probably already borderline unemployable
21:46 < shanth> he's actually unfirable
21:46 < shanth> he wrote the entire platform lol
21:46 < Sousapro> shanth: that guy is gonna have a rude awakening when his position is dissolved in a few years
21:46 < shanth> nope
21:46 <+CheckYourSix> Nobody is unfireable
21:46 < Sousapro> CheckYourSix: ++++++++
21:46 < Jekotia> DLSteve: I'd set it up so that it auto-emails, then, unless the task completes. Make part of the task "dismissing" the alert
21:46 < Sousapro> some people are just harder to fire than other
21:46 < shanth> he quit a year ago and they brought him back within a few days with more salary
21:47 < Jekotia> i.e. when task starts it creates a file, and if it's still there when it's done the alert service knows something went wrong
21:47 < Sousapro> shanth: they're going to replace his platform eventually
21:47 < Sousapro> shanth: I've watched this play out in slow motion before
21:47 <+CheckYourSix> Any employee is replaceable and everything should be in place so they CAN be replaced without issue, but employers should also want to KEEP employees and not have turnover. It benefits everyone.
21:47 < shanth> i hope so Sousapro lol
21:47 < Nightcinder> ur a replace
21:47 < Sousapro> hopefully he retires before that because no one else will hire him afterwards
21:47 < Nightcinder> CheckYourSix: some people are just..less replaceable than others
21:47 < Nightcinder> because of the costs associated with replacing that person
21:47 < Nightcinder> we have a few people at my work that it would cost quite a bit of time and money to replace them
21:48 < DLSteve> Jekotia, don't have that flexibility as it's just a custom Splunk query set to send as a nightly report, but in this case a report that says nothing changed is desirable.
21:48 < Nightcinder> because of all the training that would be required
21:48 < shanth> the legend says that he will live forever and he must check his 6500 heartbeat alerts every day
21:48 <+CheckYourSix> Nightcinder: Oh definitely. I fall into that category at my job. Months worth of training and learning.
21:48 < Nightcinder> if our DB girl left my boss would quit
21:48 < Nightcinder> 100%
21:49 < Jekotia> shanth: That's 11 alerts per second. How the fuck does anyone get anything done
21:49 < Jekotia> er, per minute
21:49 <+CheckYourSix> I'll leave my place in far better shape than I found it, but they're in for a rude awakening when I eventually leave
21:49 < Jekotia> shanth: More math fail. 4 per minute. Point still stands tho
21:49 < shanth> just send it to a folder Jekotia lol
21:50 < traaak> @CheckYourSix why, because of how much you actually od?
21:50 < traaak> do*
21:50 < DLSteve> I have decent job security as the only person who knows as much about our system as me is a contractor who can not become a FTE.
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> dangit... i need a female to female RS-232
21:50 <@JollyRgrs> i'd like it today... i have all these male to females, but no female to female
21:51 <+CheckYourSix> traaak: Because it's just me doing the work. So lots of other people will try to fill in the critical portions, but tons of stuff will fall through the cracks for months.
21:51 < traaak> same here, because im the only one who knows how to do 95% of the stuff we are contracted to do, also the only one willing to do it
21:51 < Jekotia> My job security is basically how fucked up the place is for IT and that I've been there for 9 months and am still not fully up to speed...
21:51 < traaak> @CheckYourSix i know the feeling. im in the exact same position
21:51 < Jekotia> It's bad enough that it takes way too fucking long to get the overall picture
21:51 < traaak> i work 75-80+ hours a week
21:51 < traaak> and my boss told me the other day "maaan, you must really want some time off, when are you going to take your vacation?"
21:51 <+CheckYourSix> traaak: I don't do that many. Usually 40-50. I get overtime though, so it's nice
21:52 < traaak> i don't know the answer to that, because i like my job
21:52 < traaak> a good portion of it is remote work though, too
21:52 < Jekotia> JollyRgrs: I read the 2nd message first. Thought you were talking about trans-gender co-workers xD
21:52 < traaak> so it may be inflated quite a bit
21:52 < DLSteve> I don't get overtime but I stay at ~40 hours a week for the most part.
21:52 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: nah, i just need a sex change on a cable
21:52 < traaak> answer a few emails in bed? im billing the company 2 hours
21:52 <@JollyRgrs> but i don't have a nice workbench right now to easily work on that stuff w/o things falling off of my desk
21:53 <@JollyRgrs> and no radio shack "just dwon the road" anymore
22:04 < traaak> heh- where you at jolly? no frys around you?
22:04 < traaak> they have become my goto. that or microcenter
22:06 < Sousapro> radioshack really does leave a hole in being able to do physical projects last moment
22:07 < Sousapro> I'm lucky because I have skycraft but it's not like those are in every city
22:18 < traaak> @Sousapro i agree tho
22:20 < shanth> the mysql password with all the customer data is the same password as the root password to the servers
22:20 < shanth> one password to access everything
22:21 < shanth> and we allow external root login from ssh
22:25 < genr8_> ugh
22:26 <+A-KO> oh good lord I think I finally fixed the damn thing
22:28 < Hunterkll> lol
22:28 < Hunterkll> lies
22:28 < Hunterkll> lies
22:31 <+A-KO> okay, almost
22:31 <+A-KO> lol
22:32 < MillerBOSS> https://soundcloud.com/lilcae/kmart-mallsoft
22:32 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Ｋｍａｒｔ １９８７ （Ｍａｌｌｓｏｆｔ） by cae | Free Listening on SoundCloud
22:34 < MillerBOSS> I think I found a dead end on the Internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7h1L4Hmf_I
22:34 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  YouTube → coming soon - hotel → ⚘ 1,291 ↑ 35 ↓ 1 ✍ 3
22:35 < MillerBOSS> https://old.reddit.com/r/Mallsoft/
22:35 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Mallsoft
22:35 < shanth> waavy
22:36 < onicrom> hrms what do i want to eat
22:38 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpP0mXOlWM
22:39 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  YouTube → Vaporwave: A Brief History → ⚘ 1,162,060 ↑ 29,847 ↓ 478 ✍ 3,300
22:39 < onicrom> BBQ IT IS
22:40 < MillerBOSS> Sure
22:40 < traaak> ahhhh vapor wave
22:41 < MillerBOSS> Just finding out about it now in some rabbit hole been going on now 2+ hours
22:41 < rpifan> got two movies choices
22:41 < AustinS> oh my god the air conditioning in here lol. I need a thermometer in here.. its insane
22:41 < rpifan> the mr rogers one
22:41 < rpifan> or the art heist one
22:41 < rpifan> whihc one should i chose
22:42 < AustinS> i ran up to consumer floor and stole/borrowed some sweatshirt
22:42 < MillerBOSS> Cold?
22:43 < rpifan> i will never undersrand why american places prefer to keep everyone freezing
22:43 < rpifan> then slightly warm
22:43 < rpifan> it must be some kind of cultural thing
22:43 < AustinS> soo cold.
22:43 < rpifan> in jail its even worse
22:43 < MillerBOSS> You can always wear clothes to get warm.
22:43 < rpifan> they keep it frozen
22:43 < AustinS> well the after hours thing is on, but its like... it does not listen to thermostats it just goes
22:43 < AustinS> acting like the office is full of people
22:44 < AustinS> except im the only person! lol
22:44 < traaak> @MillerBOSS vaporwave?
22:44 < AustinS> MillerBOSS, yeah except I need the layers here. I regretted not leaving a sweatshirt in car so I went and stole one :P so i didnt have to drive home haha
22:44 < AustinS>  / suffer
22:44 < traaak> @MillerBOSS its awesome- although hard to find like... ones that i can listen to on a regular basis
22:45 < MillerBOSS> traaak 👉 Yes. Got there from here https://old.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/comments/7ql8fx/the_new_world_mall_in_bangkok_was_closed_in_1997/dsqd95h/
22:45 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  1_point_21_gigawatts comments on The New World Mall, in Bangkok, was closed in 1997 after it was found to have breached building regulations.
22:45 < MillerBOSS> Yeah gotta wear layers in the server room
22:46 < traaak> @MillerBOSS @AustinS where are you working? you in a static office?
22:46 < traaak> @AustinS or you a nomad like me?
22:46 < MillerBOSS> My office is in large room where I got servers.
22:46 < MillerBOSS> So the A/C runs and runs
22:47 < rpifan> do u have a windo
22:47 < MillerBOSS> Nope. I have a office but its tiny and it has a large window but I'd rather be in here
22:47 < rpifan> oh nvm ur the facist traitor
22:47 < rpifan> carry on
22:48 < AustinS> yeah office building/our HQ
22:48 < AustinS> used to work remotely, for.. 6 years or more until they finally lured me back to home base :( haha
22:48 < traaak> i bounce around from server to server room. its amazing the differences in server roms
22:48 < traaak> rooms
22:48 < MillerBOSS> Facist traitor? huh
22:48 < AustinS> oh its warmer in the server room btw
22:48 < AustinS> that's how ridiculous the AC is going right now lol
22:48 < rpifan> contractor
22:48 < traaak> its funny. typically its better to run it a little warmer. or so ive heard
22:48 < traaak> not ice cold, anyway
22:49 < traaak> THATS HOW GOOGLE DOES IT
22:49 < AustinS> yeah. doesn't do it much good making it freezing other than costing a fortune, doesn't really harm equipment
22:49 < traaak> i spend a lot of time at their data center in chicago. pretty fucking spectacular
22:49 < AustinS> our new server room is all refrigerant cooled racks :o
22:49 < traaak> @AustinS ugh. lucky
22:49 < AustinS> except literally 4 of the 5 rows are just empty and don't even have PDU's or wiring ran to them yet
22:50 < AustinS> and im fighting to get my shit in there lol
22:50 < traaak> haha
22:50 < AustinS> traaak, yeah should be nice once we're in there.  and everything else is a wiring mess here, so we're being SUPER anal about that room and trying to make it flawless and clean
22:50 < AustinS> but also literally had 2 leaks already lol
22:50 < AustinS> but that may have just been beginning pains, they have them all circulating fine now.. so I think its good... ? I hope :P
22:51 < AustinS> they also went a BIT overkill, cause at the top of each rack has .. two cisco switches
22:51 < AustinS> and literally in some of the cabinets/racks, they have like.. 7-10 ports used of the 48x2 lmao
22:51 < AustinS> i called them out on it and was like ok how about we start combining ... lol :| or share the wealth
22:52 <+CheckYourSix> DLSteve: What are some good alerts and things to set up in Splunk? Just looking for ideas to mess with it on my homelab
22:53 < AustinS> and they also have 4x of these in each rack
22:53 < AustinS> https://www.servertech.com/families/1c12
22:53 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  PRO2 Smart STV-3531 3.3kW - 7.3kW (24) C13 and (6) C19 outlets | Server Technology
22:54 < AustinS> but don't have anything plugged into the management/LAN ports for it.. so they don't manage them lmao
22:54 < AustinS> #infinitebudget
22:55 < AustinS> i was like oh they quoted out $1200 for that not bad.. oh wait 4 per rack :|  x 2 racks for my stuff
22:55 < AustinS> not paying 10k for power strips sorry lol
22:56 < rpifan> why arent there more movies
22:56 < rpifan> in the vip setion
22:56 < rpifan> section
22:57 < traaak> @AustinS you're racks abnormally messy?
22:57 < traaak> you*
22:58 < AustinS> not the new ones :) but existing yeah, but that's cause it's shared with . .several people
22:58 < AustinS> and the main switches for each floors IDF, so people just come in and run obnoxious cables
22:58 < AustinS> ive slowly been ripping out oversized cables and replacing with appropriate ones, but it's a futile effort... :P
22:59 < AustinS> I need to grab like 4 adderall and just go sit in there one day when i know its safe to just disconnect random shit.. but all of our stuff wil lbe out of those shared rooms sooner than later I hope
22:59 < AustinS> so just making sure we do it clean/right the first time in our new one, and make sure it doesn't get messy.
22:59 < traaak> hahahaha
23:00 < traaak> i know the feeling. contractors always fuck shit up
23:00 < traaak> oh man, the good ol adderall/network clean up binge
23:00 < traaak> making me miss the good ol days
23:00 < AustinS> lol
23:00 < AustinS> im so tempted sometimes even when I just walk in our floor's IDF and see it :|
23:00 < AustinS> it was worse, we had OLD servers just stacked/piling up, cabinets were full of TRASH because they are fucking HOARDERS
23:01 < AustinS> i started just throwing shit away one day, one of my managers/coworkers (hes not my manager but he's a Sr Director but we're close/friends)
23:01 < AustinS> freaks out, cause I tossed out some random networking shit.. because "we might need that! don't just throw stuff away"
23:01 < AustinS> it was a 10/100 Linksys HUB...
23:01 < AustinS> :|||||||||||||||||||||||
23:01 <+CheckYourSix> #Hoarders
23:02 < AustinS> i seriously went out and told them "you need to stop being fucking hoarders!! Or at least let me call the TV show"
23:02 < AustinS> and once I filled a GIANT moving bin/cart (like industrial trash size) of just shit.. and he started seeing cabinets clean up.. THEN he was on board and was just like yeah throw away everything
23:03 < AustinS> but for real.. they were hoarding. some old ass Cisco chassis i ripped out of upstairs (i've seen it sitting there, powered off, for the last 5 years when I'd make random trips out here)
23:03 < AustinS> "but but!!"   "nope."
23:03 <+CheckYourSix> I did that, but with a 40 yard dumpster. Had them drop that fucker right in the middle of the floor
23:03 < Hunterkll> A-KO, see, i was right when i called lies
23:03 < Hunterkll> <Hunterkll> lies
23:03 < Hunterkll> * A-KO has quit (Disconnected by services)
23:03 < traaak> oh ive got that beat.
23:03 <@JollyRgrs> anyone here play with hacking usb sticks? I have a cool "key" shaped USB stick for a DisplayLink driver... but it is read-only. any thoughts?
23:03 < traaak> in fact, im gonna go take a pic right now
23:03 < traaak> brb
23:03 < AustinS> brb :p
23:03 < AustinS> oh god lol
23:04 < AustinS> I wish i took a pic of our electronic recycling room before they finally came to clean it out.  it was where the fiber runs into building by loading dock
23:04 < AustinS> if anything happened to the fiber.. you would not be able to get to it lmao. old ass monitors.. printers.. a lot of it was IT shit not ours.
23:04 < AustinS> brb
23:05 < MillerBOSS> AFK
23:05 <+CheckYourSix> Hunterkll: I just installed Splunk. Now I'm curious what to search for and monitor... What do you have set up on yours?
23:05 < Hunterkll> CheckYourSix, i just set up my IRC log file directory as a source
23:05 < Hunterkll> lol
23:05 < Hunterkll> you need enterprise to do realtime monitoring of it
23:05 < Hunterkll> otherwise you'll want your IRC logs to roll over and just upload daily
23:06 <+CheckYourSix> I use Quassel and it saves everything in a DB
23:06 < Hunterkll> rekt
23:06 < Hunterkll> but yea that's about all i have set up
23:06 < Hunterkll> lol
23:06 <+A-KO> fuck I finally fixed the shit
23:06 <+A-KO> christ
23:06 <+CheckYourSix> I guess I could always have it export the database to files each day and monitor them
23:06 <+A-KO> waddup Hunterkll
23:07 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: 2 weeks until AX!
23:07 < Hunterkll> configuratin shit
23:07 < Hunterkll> oh shit
23:07 < Hunterkll> u right
23:07 <+A-KO> yeah I need to do the same
23:07 < traaak> @AustinS yeah, i know the feeling... but hang on.
23:07 < Hunterkll> lemme check my fukkin vegas reservations to make sure my host did it
23:07 < Hunterkll> got my ticket to vegas but that about it
23:07 < Hunterkll> lol
23:07 <+A-KO> lol
23:08 < Hunterkll> oh shit
23:08 < Hunterkll> i need to do a film inventory then
23:08 < Hunterkll> and do the first batch of processing
23:08 < Hunterkll> i should do that tonight
23:09 < MillerBOSS> traaak 👉 I am really digging some if this eh https://open.spotify.com/user/dergian/playlist/5dfX00xemIckp7mNPA2hwv?si=1J7slYeVTCykfLWOaInHoQ
23:09 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Future Funk (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ on Spotify
23:09 < Hunterkll> A-KO, actually 1.5 weeks
23:09 < Hunterkll> lol
23:10 < Hunterkll> shit means i gotta put in a film order
23:11 < traaak> @MillerBOSS mhmmm
23:11 < Hunterkll> A-KO, oh shit i'll have extra cash
23:11 < traaak> woah... spotify doesnt have an app anymore?
23:11 <+A-KO> lol nice
23:11 <+A-KO> brb
23:11 < Hunterkll> A-KO, part of my paycheck will have my raise on it
23:12 < MillerBOSS> Sure it does
23:12 <+A-KO> nice
23:12 < Hunterkll> lol
23:12 < Hunterkll> and i get paid the friday at AX
23:12 < Hunterkll> :D
23:12 <+A-KO> same
23:12 <+A-KO> gonna power down and connect the rest of my fans up
23:12 <+A-KO> and box this puppy back up
23:12 < Hunterkll> lol
23:12 < traaak> nevermind- just not on the app store
23:12 < traaak> im in robot mode. if its not on the app store i dont even bother anymore
23:13 < traaak> well, i guesss it depends
23:13 < MillerBOSS> What OS?
23:13 < MillerBOSS> App Store I assume you mean macOS
23:13 < MillerBOSS> Windows is Microsoft Store, right?
23:13 < traaak> correct
23:13 < Hunterkll> yes, but no one calls it that
23:13 < Hunterkll> people call it app store anyway
23:13 < Hunterkll> on any platform
23:13 < traaak> lmao
23:13 < Hunterkll> even android
23:13 < Hunterkll> lol
23:14 < traaak> yep
23:14 < traaak> but yes, im referring to macos
23:14 < genr8_> Apps suck
23:14 < traaak> @genr8_ they do?
23:14 < genr8_> nobody likes apps. its been proven.
23:14 < genr8_> yes
23:14 < genr8_> the most chance someone will use the app is immediately after its installed and then possibly never again
23:14 < genr8_> idk i read about it
23:14 < Hunterkll> the term 'apps' as shorthand for applications and has been in use since the 70s at least
23:14 < traaak> @genr8_ i was gonna say..
23:14 < traaak> @Hunterkll is right.
23:15 <@JollyRgrs> traaak:  you know you don' have to @... this isn't twitter :P
23:15 < Hunterkll> half the software i use comes from the windows app store but i wouldn't compare them to smartphoen applications
23:15 < genr8_> yeah but if you read between the lines, "Apps" means somethin else.
23:15 < Hunterkll> that's hilarious
23:15 < genr8_> A lot ARE as minimal and as bad as smartphone apps
23:15 < MillerBOSS> Wait, this isn't twitter?
23:15 < Hunterkll> i'm almost halfway into all UWP
23:15 < traaak> would you prefer i use progz or WAREZ?
23:15 < Hunterkll> but i use primarily LOB apps
23:15 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: the worst part about cleaning up my office is throwing away projects that i could never complete :(
23:15 < genr8_> progs sure
23:15 < Hunterkll> progz makes me think of AOL hacks
23:15 < Hunterkll> lol
23:15 < traaak> JollyRgrs: thanks ;)
23:16 < Hunterkll> but yea like
23:16 < Hunterkll> on the windows app store
23:16 < traaak> Hunterkll: thats exactly what i was going for :)
23:16 < genr8_> https://techcrunch.com/2016/05/31/nearly-1-in-4-people-abandon-mobile-apps-after-only-one-use/
23:16 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Nearly 1 in 4 people abandon mobile apps after only one use – TechCrunch
23:16 < Hunterkll> the "apps" section has like, photoshop, spotify, netflix, powerBI stuff, etc
23:16 < genr8_> https://techcrunch.com/2017/08/25/majority-of-u-s-consumers-still-download-zero-apps-per-month-says-comscore/
23:16 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Majority of U.S. consumers still download zero apps per month, says comScore – TechCrunch
23:16 <@JollyRgrs> i have this nifty USB "key" shaped drive from a Dell dock that has display link drivers... but it is firmwared read-only and nothing to flash it with :(
23:16 < Hunterkll> that's mobile
23:16 < Hunterkll> and people just say 'apps' because it's shorthand for applications and no one uses that word anymore
23:16 < Hunterkll> lol
23:17 <@JollyRgrs> genr8_: majority are your mom and dad who only have what came on it, or only DL like .25 times a month
23:17 < Hunterkll> I have video of Steve Jobs using the term "Apps" in reference to a UNIX workstation in 1988
23:17 < Hunterkll> lol
23:17 < traaak> Hunterkll: i was literally going to bring that up
23:17 < Hunterkll> and he was talking about shit like photoshop, mathematica, video editing software, lol
23:17 < traaak> Hunterkll: but i didn't want to appear lame
23:17 < genr8_> "App Abandonment Rate" is what i'm referring to.
23:17 < Hunterkll> traaak, i would hope i'd know that, because i'm the largest vendor of NeXT hardware on this side of the mississippi
23:17 < traaak> Hunterkll: that is exaclty why/how i use it
23:17 < traaak> Hunterkll: fuck yeah. you rule
23:18 < Hunterkll> I have 17 B&W laser printers in my basement next badged
23:18 < Hunterkll> lol
23:18 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r2zleGxv7w Man this shit is so, I don't know
23:18 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  YouTube → SAINT PEPSI - Hit Vibes (FULL ALBUM) → ⚘ 2,104,973 ↑ 29,826 ↓ 330 ✍ 2,426
23:18 < traaak> Hunterkll: youre aweomse.
23:18 < Hunterkll> huh
23:18 < Hunterkll> you can buy hardware in the app store now
23:18 < Hunterkll> neat
23:18 < Hunterkll> i'll probably still go get my new surface book in person in deleware to avoid sales tax though
23:18 < Hunterkll> :P
23:18 < traaak> Hunterkll: i remember downloading/installing nextOS waayy back in the 90s
23:18 < MillerBOSS> s/ure/ure not
23:18 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBOSS/traaak] Hunterkll: youre not aweomse.
23:19 < Hunterkll> .... nextOS?
23:19 < Hunterkll> what's that?
23:19 < traaak> at least i think i did, i cant remember if it was the legitmate OS, or some kind of shell/skin for windows
23:19 <@JollyRgrs> Hunterkll: like what? the holo v2?
23:19 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, well when that comes out i guess
23:19 < Holo> I am a v2 now?
23:19 < Hunterkll> JollyRgrs, but there's even dell laptops and shit
23:19 < Hunterkll> NeXTstep only ever ran on m68k platform systems
23:19 <@JollyRgrs> dell? interesting
23:20 < rpifan> ive started to notice that all the german adverts for jobs in the startups are copy and paste of each others
23:20 < rpifan> they all have almost the same requierements
23:20 < Hunterkll> OPENSTEP however, ran on x86, SPARC, m68k, and PA-RISC
23:20 < traaak> Hunterkll: yea i was just looking into it. im guessing thats what it was
23:20 < Hunterkll> Unless you had very specific hardware, you had a very bad time
23:21 < Hunterkll> I have a SPARC system for running OS4.2
23:21 < Hunterkll> SPARCstation 5
23:21 < traaak> i was like, 12, 13 at the time. i was obsessed with different *nix and other shit
23:21 < Hunterkll> There WAS an implementatino of the openstep envrionment for NT
23:22 < genr8_> LiteStep
23:22 < Hunterkll> .... no?
23:22 < Hunterkll> it was called OPENSTEP
23:22 < Hunterkll> there was never a different name
23:22 < genr8_> what was LiteStep then
23:22 < genr8_> LiteStep is a Windows Shell replacement for Windows 9x and up, licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL).
23:22 < Hunterkll> OPENSTEP had implementations on top of the Mach kernel ( continuation of the NeXTstep OS really), on top of Solaris, and on top of windows
23:22 < Hunterkll> genr8_, this was never open source crap
23:22 < Hunterkll> this was real software
23:22 < Hunterkll> >:3
23:23 < Hunterkll> GNU folks made some cloning work on openstep because it was a pretty good idea
23:26 < MillerBOSS> :( https://millerboss.com/x/Screen-Shot-2018-06-23-16-26-07-h.png
23:26 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  IMAGE/PNG; CHARSET=UTF-8 Document, 197,732 bytes
23:26 <+giant_it_burrit> what did you do
23:27 < rpifan> i told u
23:27 < rpifan> he works for the feds
23:27 < MillerBOSS> Short stay is some asshole from Vietnam killed my account by filing fake DMCA claims and attempted to extort me
23:27 < MillerBOSS> s/stay/story
23:27 <+layer-eight> [SED MillerBOSS] Short story is some asshole from Vietnam killed my account by filing fake DMCA claims and attempted to extort me
23:28 < Holo> MillerBOSS and this is why I fucking despise google
23:29 < Holo> they do not give a shit
23:29 < MillerBOSS> Its not Google. Its Youtube
23:29 < Holo> its google, same shit applies to their play store
23:29 < MillerBOSS> YouTube is separate for the most part. Different CEO even
23:29 < Holo> well they have exactly the same fucking issue
23:29 < rpifan> good
23:29 < rpifan> bye bye MillerBOSS
23:30 < MillerBOSS> bad
23:30 < MillerBOSS> Hi hi rpifan
23:30 < Holo> some Chinese guy takes your app, throws ads on it and DCMA's you out of existence
23:30 < traaak> genr8_: THATS what it was! litestep! (i think...)
23:31 < MillerBOSS> You must have gone through that eh?
23:31 < Holo> and IF google restores your account and I do mean IF... most of the shit does not work
23:31 < Holo> and they dont give a shit
23:32 < MillerBOSS> Its only my youtube account, not Google account
23:32 < traaak> anyhow
23:32 < genr8_> i thought i was going to be met with welcome reception when i mentioned LiteStep as a blast from the past but i guess not
23:32 < traaak> AustinS: https://imgur.com/a/TnCn1gx
23:32 < genr8_> i liked the idea of it tho
23:32 <+layer-eight> * traaak →  IMGUR Album → a minute ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 1
23:33 < traaak> thats a section of my garage.
23:33 < Holo> android can kiss my ass with how google treats DEVs
23:33 < traaak> we had to close our storage office- so everything just ended up in my garage
23:33 < traaak> should probably get around to shipping that out to cisco
23:40 <+giant_it_burrit> ship it to ebay
23:40 <+giant_it_burrit> make some money bby
23:40 < traaak> my guess is i'd lose my job immediately. althought i have thought about it
23:40 <+giant_it_burrit> i have a bunch of cisco crap in my garage including 30 phones and an asa
23:41 < traaak> at the very least- rip em apart and sell the chasis for scrap
23:41 < traaak> there are a few 6500 laying around somewhere. gotta hunt em down tho
23:42 < traaak> also. i just read this. fuckin lol
23:42 < traaak> https://imgur.com/gallery/pyoEZFi
23:42 <+A-KO> fuck it's great having the PC back together
23:42 <+layer-eight> * traaak →  IMGUR Gallery → LoadedMoses → "Don't f*** with my dog" A short documentary about a murderous rampage → 5 hours ago → No Topic → 11 Images → ⚘ 78,527 → ☺ 2,466 → ☹ 58 → ✡ 2447 → ✍ 225
23:42 <+A-KO> god damn
23:44 < DLSteve> CheckYourSix, We mainly have it monitor AD log events like failed logins account lockouts, logins from DA accounts from non approved IPs etc...
23:45 <+CheckYourSix> Nice
23:45 <+CheckYourSix> Makes me want to completely redo my home network stuff from the ground up
23:46 < Hunterkll> A-KO, apparently caesars is giving me some kinda 2 in 1 laptop fro dell
23:46 <+A-KO> lol
23:46 <+A-KO> nice
23:46 < Hunterkll> they start at $300 apparently so
23:47 < Hunterkll> hopefully it's something better than that :P
23:47 <+A-KO> "spend $500 to fly out here and spend time so we can give you a $300 laptop so you can lose $1000 to us"
23:47 < Hunterkll> actually it was only $60 for the hop to LV
23:47 < AustinS> http://wsmlab.blogspot.com/2017/04/ir-volume-control-for-sonos-connect-amp.html  gonna do that so i can control the cable box from here.. cause its so gd far away
23:47 < Hunterkll> so it's like on the way home
23:47 <+layer-eight> * AustinS →  Winston Salem Maker Lab: IR Volume Control for Sonos Connect AMP
23:47 < Hunterkll> lol
23:48 < Hunterkll> A-KO, i wouldn't do it if it wasn't on the way home lmao
23:48 < AustinS> traaak, lol yeah.. our pile was like that, but it was also with IT's pile of trash so it was 4x that total.
23:48 < AustinS> but why are you throwing those away?? some could be useful!!
23:48 < traaak> we're not- they were just decommed from other sites
23:48 < Hunterkll> A-KO, besides, i think i've outdrank my losses anyway. not that i have any losses yet :o
23:48 < AustinS> oh so now it's time to hoard, nice
23:48 < Hunterkll> if the TV's anything to go by it'll probably be a decent $500 unit though
23:48 <+A-KO> hahaha
23:49 < traaak> and we had to close out storage office so we just stored it here
23:49 < traaak> and i haven't done anything yet
23:49 < Hunterkll> i still haven't opened that tv up A-KO  .... i got it in jnauary
23:49 < Hunterkll> that shows how much i need more monitors
23:49 < Hunterkll> lmao
23:49 < traaak> we're supposed to send them back to cisco. they technically own them
23:49 < traaak> all of our stuff is leased
23:49 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: You need Noctua NF-A12x25 fans man
23:49 <+A-KO> I'm going to find a pair
23:49 < AustinS> ah gotcha yeah probably best not to toss :P
23:49 < Hunterkll> A-KO, my noctuas are sitting unused on a radiator sitting in a box
23:50 < Hunterkll> i'm using whatever thermaltake included in the case and whatever came with my evo 212 air cooler
23:50 <+A-KO> lol
23:50 < Hunterkll> $2000 CPU, $30 cooler
23:50 < traaak> AustinS: honeslty don't know what to do at this point- to ship them all back to our warehouse would be pain in my ass
23:50 < traaak> although i do need to clean that fucking place out
23:50 < traaak> what you dont see is the 200+ phones, random ass equipment on the other side
23:50 <+A-KO> my baby's purring right now tho
23:50 < MillerBOSS> Holy fuck LOL https://old.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/8tb1ma/i_can_confirm_this_is_100_accurate/
23:50 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  I can confirm this is 100% accurate : funny
23:50 < AustinS> lol
23:51 < traaak> there has to be at least $100,000 of shit in my garage
23:51 < AustinS> ahh yeah when we recycled old phones/updated to these avaya ones
23:51 < AustinS> thattt was a garbage pile
23:51 < AustinS> i still have yet to successfully get an SIP client working to interface with the phones here / take my extension to computer
23:51 < AustinS> work in progress..
23:52 < traaak> ugh. avaya
23:52 < AustinS> got hvac turned off at least, now its just mad quiet.. but it will even out eventually
23:52 <+CheckYourSix> MillerBOSS: ROFLLLL that is hilarious
23:52 < MillerBOSS> stuck in cunting traffic
23:53 < AustinS> and yeah i dont know/deal much with phones, these seem fine.. but I also saw how they had to manage it which was some 90s looking terminal lol
23:54 < AustinS> time to update jira yayy kill me
23:55 < traaak> yeah i can't stand them. we use cisco phones except in our call centers its all avaya
23:55 < traaak> they dont wanna spring for the good stuff on the lowbies ;)
23:55 < AustinS> :P
23:55 < traaak> although honestly i think it has more to do with call tracking than anything else
23:55 < AustinS> even i had cisco IP phones when I ran my own little thing a while back.  had to ebay em and hack the TFTP configs together to get it working with my SIP trunk but once I did..
23:55 < AustinS> now I'm sure its a lot easier lol
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