--- Log opened Fri Jun 29 00:00:17 2018
00:01 < enix> I was just going to use expandafoam
00:02 <@killdash9> this weekend I'll be epoxying my wife's studio floor.
00:02 < enix> You don't live with your wife?
00:02 <@killdash9> she's an artist. She has a studio in the house
00:02 < Casteil> I wouldn't mind doing a nice finish on concrete but I doubt this concrete would take a nice finish
00:02 < enix> ohhh a /real/ studio
00:03 < Casteil> generally concrete needs to be mixed/poured with a bare (sealed) finish in mind
00:03 < enix> Man wish my missus was an artist. Then she could fuck off and paint and not annoy me while I try to do shit
00:07 < Casteil> enix: XD
00:07 < xamithan> Why she got to be an artist?  Just give her a hobby
00:07 < Casteil> like suckin the D
00:07 < xamithan> While you work
00:08 < enix> xamithan: I've tried
00:08 < enix> bbl poop time
00:08 < Sousapro> as long as it isn't etsy
00:08 < MillerBOSS> cryptic1 👉 Go ahead and pack your things. You are done for the year. We will call you when you are needed, k, thanks.
00:08 < Sousapro> talk about a way to make negative dollars
00:08 < xamithan> etsy is so scammy
00:08 <@cryptic1> thanks MillerBOSS
00:08 < MillerBOSS> You're welcome
00:08  * cryptic1 signs off irc 
00:09 < MillerBOSS> So I had a 48 port switch die today. Now I learned to keep one on hand.
00:09 < MillerBOSS> ES-48 500
00:09 < Sousapro> Yeah, I always keep spare UBNT gear on hand
00:10 < Sousapro> With how much you're saving, one hot spare is not unreasonable
00:10 < xamithan> What you keep for spares at home
00:10 < MillerBOSS> I hear RMA's are near non existent with them right?
00:10 < Sousapro> No, they'll RMA if in the warranty period
00:10 < Sousapro> Or if it seems like it's their fault
00:10 < MillerBOSS> Its 4 years old. I am not even sure if it is under warranty
00:10 < Sousapro> No, that's out of warranty lol
00:10 < xamithan> Its only 1 year warranty
00:11 < Sousapro> How long does it need to last to meet RoI on $300?
00:11 < MillerBOSS> Its just died. Power light off but some green and orange lights solid. Repower the device same lights solid and no power light. Very odd
00:11 < xamithan> So the PSU died
00:11 < MillerBOSS> I had no idea how long. OK 4 years. No biggie
00:11 < MillerBOSS> So then maybe I will open it. Maybe a capacitor?
00:12 <+CheckYourSix> Anyone using an APC SUA1500RM2U?
00:15 < joelazot> ello
00:16 < DrGibby|> MillerBOSS: update on the service module
00:16 < DrGibby|> turns out its bad
00:16 < DrGibby|> WELL THERE IS MY PROBLEM
00:16 < joelazot> WHAT
00:16 < DrGibby|> I SAID "WELL THERE IS MY PROBLEM"
00:16 < joelazot> OH OK
00:17 < DrGibby|> GLAD I CLEARED THAT UP
00:17 < joelazot> SO AM I
00:20 < Sousapro> MillerBOSS: there's some threads on the UBNT forums about that stuff
00:27 < Casteil> https://i.imgur.com/FGiZJ8E.png < No going back now hahaha
00:29 < joelazot> DrGibby: so how are you
00:30 < MillerBOSS> DrGibby| 👉 I AM GLAD YOU FINGERED IT OUT
00:30 < Alternity> wow this thread is incredibly depressing https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8uk7rd/not_tech_related_does_everybody_eat_out_for_lunch/
00:30 < Alternity> "i sit in my car at lunchtime every day" and i thought i was anti-social
00:30 < DrGibby|> THANKS MILLERBOSS
00:30 < MillerBOSS> DrGibby| 👉 I AM ALWAYS GLAD YOU ARE BACK AFTER THAT SEMI RAGE QUIT LAST NIGHT :*
00:30 < joelazot> Can't look at it, TLDR?
00:30 < Alternity> "i eat at burger king every day for lunch"
00:31 < Alternity> jesus fuck people, that's how you end up as one of those dead guys we post about on sysadmin every few weeks
00:31 < joelazot> oh jeez
00:31 <@killdash9> we go out every day. It's the only way we'll get a break. Stay at the office or desk and you _will_ get work dropped on you
00:31 < Alternity> killdash9: can't close your office door?
00:31 <@killdash9> of course, we still talk work. But it's offsite and out of range of coworkers
00:31 <@killdash9> office door?!?! ahahahahah
00:31 < MillerBOSS> Sousapro 👉 About what stuff exactly? Opened it up and no pregnant caps at least but every time specific ports light up after reset.
00:32 < joelazot> So i'm going out with my colleagues tonight; Work's paying for a Mid winter christmas dinner.
00:32 < Alternity> if i dont feel like eating in the common area i can ususally close my poor and watch some youtube while i eat lunch
00:32 < joelazot> I feel like i shouldn't be going, since i'm only a glorified bitch boi that works 3hr/week
00:32 < Alternity> i rarely get bothered
00:32 < Ayeitzabee_> Man this winter has been so not wintery
00:32 <@killdash9> they'll pay us stupid money but god forbid they pay for us to have real offices.
00:32 < Alternity> but maybe thats because i tell people who stop by to put in a ticket
00:32 < Alternity> killdash9: sweet, at least i have something you don't :D
00:33 < Alternity> even if my salary isn't yet 6 figures :(
00:33 <@killdash9> and they are rumbling about dumping our big cubes for and 'more open workplan'. I said that when they do, I'm out.
00:34 <@killdash9> "you don't need a 8'x8' cube. You only use 1/2 of one of the desks." Fuck you, it's what gives us room to stretch and not kill coworkers on phones next door
00:34 < joelazot> hmm do i study more linux or actually study networking in the school holidays
00:35 <@killdash9> depends on what you want to learn and where you want to be
00:36 < joelazot> I'm probably gonna end up being a windows admin tbh
00:36 < joelazot> it's just there's not many *nix jobs in NZ
00:36 <@killdash9> ah, the lobotomy route. Good choice.
00:36 < joelazot> killdash9: yeah don't really want to but i might have to
00:37 < joelazot> I'd ideally be in a position where I could work in either a Linux or win server environment
00:37 < joelazot> but idk if I can do that
00:37 <@killdash9> more money in specializing in one than being a generalist
00:37 < Alternity> joelazot: find an interesting project and build it
00:38 < Alternity> or do that kinda dumb linux checklist people keep mentioning on the sub
00:38 < joelazot> I'm just going through a RHCSA/RHCE book
00:38 < joelazot> right now atleast
00:38 < Alternity> sure, not the worst way to do it
00:39 < Alternity> you want to go the linux route over windows
00:39 < Alternity> take it from a guy who is a windows admin
00:39 < joelazot> I agree
00:39 < joelazot> I've been lucky enough to become mates with a senior *nix admin
00:40 < joelazot> and he's given me access to alot of his personal documentation
00:40 < joelazot> taught me how to use ansible
00:41 < joelazot> No idea why he's 'wasting' his valuable time on teaching me, but i'm not complaining
00:41 < joelazot> hold up actually
00:41 < joelazot> there's 24 win server jobs in NZ as of now
00:42 < joelazot> and 19 linux jobs
00:42 < MaxLeiter> anyone have thoughts on serving files from a VPS without a reverse proxy?
00:42 < joelazot> under "network and system administration" mind you
00:42 < MaxLeiter> like, is there any large security issue I should be aware of?
00:42 < joelazot> so not developer stuff
00:42 < MaxLeiter> Writing uploading support for a web based IRC client you host on a VPS and many users don’t use a reverse proxy like nginx
00:44 < joelazot> I think when i get my server i'm just gonna have a linux based "homelab" that's designed to mimic a prod env
00:52 < joelazot> is serverless infastructure, e.g all AWS all that common or is stuff like AWS primarily used for services and such
00:54 < coderphive> what
00:54 < coderphive> serverless has nothing to do with AWS
00:55 < joelazot> oh
00:55 < joelazot> im retarded
00:55 < coderphive> serverless is just managed containers
00:55 < joelazot> I geuss i meant like full cloud infra
00:56 < coderphive> You can use cloud infra for just about anything as long as you're not too latency sensitive
00:56 < coderphive> Although there's some ways around that with things like Gossip
00:59 < joelazot> would you just use workspaces for client machines and use em with thin clients?
00:59 < joelazot> anywy
00:59 < joelazot> im off
01:00 < scwizard> same
01:01 < Ayeitzabee> Does anyone run S/MIME certificates across their $biz and get the shits with the amount of companies that modify their fkn emails in transit?
01:02 < Ayeitzabee> Like if they don't see "Scanned by $anti-spam" they can't trust the email
01:05 < abakedapplepie> hwhat
01:12 < MillerBOSS> Never heard of that shit Ayeitzabee
01:13 < Ayeitzabee> Never heard of S/MIME MillerBOSS?
01:14 < MillerBOSS> This part >Like if they don't see "Scanned by $anti-spam" they can't trust the email
01:14 < MillerBOSS> Can't anyone just put that there?
01:14 < MillerBOSS> Scanned by Microsoft, now take our email, asshole
01:14 < MillerBOSS> Like that
01:14 < MillerBOSS> :P
01:14 < Ayeitzabee> So the thing is that if they have that option enabled in their email scanning software it breaks the S/MIME certificate
01:15 < Ayeitzabee> And then they bitch that our emails are coming through as modified, which they are being by their own server
01:15 < MillerBOSS> Also I don't know shit about S/MIME, so don't listen to me but the way you made it sound is that if these words are not in body, the email gets rejected
01:16 < Ayeitzabee> Ah no I was bitching about people adding things like that into received emails
01:16 < MillerBOSS> Oh
01:16 < Ayeitzabee> Like they need the reassurance their anti-spam actually scanned the email
01:17 < Ayeitzabee> And S/MIME is 100% made to stop email being changed in transit, without show a big massive warning and stopping people from reading the email without jumping through hoops
01:17 < MillerBOSS> Is S/MIME some type of hash or encryption thing? In my mind I always thought email is plaintext no matter how you slice it unless you are using PGP or something, right?
01:18 < MillerBOSS> So there is some type of hash made of the email to verify size or something?
01:18 < Ayeitzabee> Exactly that ^^^
01:19 < Ayeitzabee> Verify contents, so bank details and other such can't be modified
01:19 < MillerBOSS> So then I am guessing what ever software that is adding the bullshit at the bottom of the email needs that S/MIME workflow added. I assume an external SMTP server maybe?
01:20 < MillerBOSS> I had a client that use G Suite but used a external tool to add that bullshit at the bottom and all mail going out on gmail.com went through this SMTP relay or what ever it is called
01:20 < Ayeitzabee> Well normally it is anti-spam venders like Symantec that slap "Scanned by Symantec" at the bottom of emails
01:21 < MillerBOSS> Also added a signature with variables like $name $department $phone $etc on the fly which was outside of G Suite
01:21 < Ayeitzabee> Yeah we had the same thing a while ago that sat on the exchange server
01:22 < Ayeitzabee> But due to the switch to using S/MIME certificates we had to use the one that generates the signatures inside of Outlook
01:22 < MillerBOSS> So to be clear your end is rejecting email sent by other people as it was "modified" after the client that used the S/MIME workflow?
01:23 < Ayeitzabee> No aha, our emails being rejected by the other end due to emails being edited by their anti-spam software/vender
01:23 < enix> lol wtf
01:23 < MillerBOSS> Oh gotcha. So thats their end then. What ever they are using for incoming,. I had a client that used Mimecast yucky stuff for that.
01:23 < MillerBOSS> While using G Suite
01:24 < Ayeitzabee> I don't see how it is not best practice to NOT modify emails in transit???
01:24 < MillerBOSS> So something they set up is receiving the email before the S/MIME workflow
01:25 < MillerBOSS> Too many nots there confused me. Do you mean you don't see how it best practice to modify emails in transit?
01:25 < MillerBOSS> Two nots make a knot
01:25 < MillerBOSS> LOL
01:25 < Ayeitzabee> Ahahaha
01:26 < enix> > Too many nots there confused me
01:26 < enix> Glad im not th eonly one
01:26 < MillerBOSS> Is it just with one vendor receiving?
01:26 < MillerBOSS> Or is it all or a few
01:26 < Ayeitzabee> It depends on settings inside the venders software
01:26 < enix> I hate mimecast. Burn it with fire. I was talking to someone who used (and loved) mimecast and as soon as I noticed they were using it I started laughing and im like "oh man... sorry for your budget."
01:26 < MillerBOSS> So are you expected to fix it or what is the goal from your end?
01:27 < Ayeitzabee> Some of the people we send emails to have got the "SLAP SHIT ON ALL INCOMING EMAILS" turned off and others have it turned on. The fix is bitching at them till they whitelist us :D
01:27 < MillerBOSS> Yeah enix I just don't see the full value per their interface. Took forever to get data out to audit.
01:28 < enix> Ayeitzabee: you're probably not the only person getting blocked; just the only person mentioning it because some MTA's will hold the rejection for a VERY long time (ie our servers) and continuously try deliver the mail, so lots of people probably not realizing that they're not getting through. So YOU don't have to fix anything; you just need to inform your users of the situation and inform the other company of what's happening, and say you're not going 
01:30 < MillerBOSS> Personally I dislike email. It is unpredictable for say ordering and sending POs. We got people doing that all day long and who knows if it got to the proper receiver.
01:30 < m4221> Why do we have a suggestion box at work???
01:30 < Ayeitzabee> Emails are such a pain, #IRC4LIFE
01:31 < m4221> Someone suggested everyone have two monitors
01:31 < MillerBOSS> Well for POs I am trying to get every vendor hooked up via FTPES
01:31 < MillerBOSS> Then you know they got the data
01:31 < m4221> Now, we are installing second monitors
01:31 < MillerBOSS> Good m4221. Everyone here has 4
01:31 < m4221> MillerBOSS: go fuck yourself
01:31 < MillerBOSS> Why?
01:32 < MillerBOSS> What was that for?
01:32 < MillerBOSS> 1 to 2 and almost to 4
01:32 < m4221> MillerBOSS: I have enough on my plate
01:32 < MillerBOSS> You guys are allmost there.
01:32 < MillerBOSS> Hire a temp to help
01:32 < m4221> MillerBOSS: hahaha
01:32 < MillerBOSS> Why not?
01:32 < m4221> MillerBOSS: company is cheap
01:33 < MillerBOSS> Well they em that
01:33 < MillerBOSS> No monitors until I get help
01:33 < enix> m4221:  my gym had a suggestion box
01:33 < MillerBOSS> Or watch one less youtube video every hours :P
01:33 < Ayeitzabee> I have 3 monitors lol
01:33 < enix> I got a call one day from there extremely concerned that they hadn't seen a suggestion from me in a week
01:33 < Ayeitzabee> Don't ask just go and "find" some
01:33 < m4221> I just have one large screen
01:34 < enix> Every single day for over a year I asked for a sauna hahaha
01:34 < Ayeitzabee> m4221, Screw that
01:34 < m4221> We have a meditation room now
01:34 < enix> me + suggestion box = trolling as fuck
01:34 < enix> What the shit
01:34 < enix> Actually... I would love a suggestion box here
01:34 < m4221> It comes with restrictions such as it can only be used after hours
01:34 < Ayeitzabee> "Hookers and lines pls and thnks"
01:34 < enix> I want to setup an enclosed, staff-only park where staff members can go have picnics for lunch and hang out with some of our animals that aren't off rotation
01:35 < m4221> And it can be only used by one person at a time
01:35 < enix> s/off/on
01:35 < enix> THat's fair enough, does it actually get busy though?
01:35 < m4221> And it can only be used for a max of 15 minutes
01:35 < Ayeitzabee> Speed meditate bitch
01:35 < enix> fuckin' ay
01:36 < m4221> I can see it being used for "conjugal" purposes
01:36 < enix> heh
01:36 < enix> ceo needed a quiet place to bang the secretary probably
01:36 < enix> Channel 7 CEO should have thought of that hahaha
01:37 < Ayeitzabee> Ahaahaha yes
01:37 < m4221> enix: or the weather guy in the movie Action Point
01:38 < enix> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tim-worner-still-has-a-job-at-seven-but-hundreds-of-staff-won-t-20180220-p4z0yg.html
01:38 < Ayeitzabee> "Quick, come meditate with me"
01:39 < m4221> I loled at the email about the meditation room
01:40 < enix> https://twitter.com/_amber_harrison bit of a seal
01:40 < enix> I mean if you're going to cheat in the media industry, there are literally 1000 better options in pacific magazines alone
01:43 < joelazot> Hello
01:43 < enix> Hi joelazot
01:44 < joelazot> enix: how are you
01:44 < enix> Stressed
01:44 < enix> Apparently redirecting our website from :80 to :443 is more important than fixing our storage arrays
01:45 < enix> But hey
01:45 < m4221> enix: Ayeitzabee wants to "meditate" with you
01:45 < enix> thats life. What's shakin' in joelazot land?
01:45 < enix> Ayeitzabee: come meditate with me ;)
01:45 < m4221> Ayeitzabee: you got 15 min
01:45 < joelazot> Not much, just school. Dealing going out with colleagues tonight, bit anxious about that.
01:45 < Ayeitzabee> I haven't meditated in 3 months, so you might have to reteach me ;)
01:46 < Ayeitzabee> s/months/years
01:46 < enix> dw we'll go slow
01:46 < enix> first bit of guy-on-guy in this channel and rpifan quits
01:46 < enix> lololol
01:46 < Ayeitzabee> Ahahahaha
01:46 < enix> And as soon as I mention it, he rejoins hahaha
01:46 < Ayeitzabee> Maybe he was getting the tissues?
01:46 < enix> joelazot: get your ass out there man
01:47 < enix> Ayeitzabee: we've all done that; closed irc to go grab the sun tan oil. Just to make sure noone judges
01:47 < joelazot> enix: I'm still in school right now :p
01:47 < joelazot> science class
01:47 < Ayeitzabee> There goes another one enix
01:47 < enix> what do you mean by school
01:47 < enix> like.. high school or something
01:48 < enix> Ayeitzabee: he's off to the meditation room i think lol
01:48 < joelazot> yeah
01:48 < joelazot> high school
01:48 < joelazot> I'm just a kid mate
01:48 < enix> Well enjoy it while you can!
01:48 < enix> It's the best time of your life
01:48 < Ayeitzabee> ^^^
01:48 < Ayeitzabee> I never believed that until I grew up ;_;
01:49 < joelazot> Yeah I'm enjoying life for the most part
01:49 < gnupluslinux> joelazot is like 15 isnt he
01:49 < gnupluslinux> Do your parents know youre online?
01:49 < Ayeitzabee> Well as long as your aren't like my old highschool mates rolling a pipe you should be fine :D
01:50 < Ayeitzabee> Pretty sure this IRC is NSFC half the time
01:50 < gnupluslinux> Remeber to ask permission before going online! Keyword fun!
01:50 < gnupluslinux> Half?
01:50 < Ayeitzabee> And Safe-word bacon!
01:50 < gnupluslinux> This is a christian server
01:50 < joelazot> half NSFC?
01:50 < joelazot> lol
01:52 < Ayeitzabee> Not Safe For Childz
01:53 < joelazot> ayy lmao
01:55 < Ayeitzabee> Is that stupid voting system for getting voice still in place?
01:58 < enix> Ayeitzabee: yeahp
01:58 < enix> This is a democratic society
01:58 < enix> Vote enix for op; make reddit-sysadmin great again
01:59 < Ayeitzabee> !promote enix
01:59 < enix> If I'm voted OP, I vow to kick cryptic1 once a day for as long as my reign lasts
01:59 < Ayeitzabee> Nah its dead ahaha
01:59 < Ayeitzabee> Or muted
01:59 < enix> `seen rpifan rpifan
01:59 < enix> layer-eight is broken
01:59 < rpifan> ?
01:59 < Ayeitzabee> The 'Mericans love to mute it
02:00 < enix> just testing layer-eight
02:00 < Ayeitzabee> Go back to yiffing rpifan, its ok
02:04 < rpifan> im a pup not a fur
02:05 < joelazot> OK
02:16 < enix> anyone here have linux smb shares
02:18 < xamithan> nfs
02:18 <@JollyRgrs> enix: yes?
02:18 < enix> Does every file open spawn a smbd process?
02:18 <@JollyRgrs> well.. right now, only freebsd smb shares
02:19 <@JollyRgrs> i don't pay attn, not sure
02:19 < enix> Hm
02:19 < enix> Got a locked file, can see the open file that's not actually open
02:19 < enix> Can kill the process but don't want to cause chaos right now
02:20 < enix> I'm not getting a locked file which sucks
02:20 < enix> It's a spreadsheet being detected as already open :(
02:28 <@JollyRgrs> tell them to convert to an Access97 database
02:28 <@JollyRgrs> or maybe foxpro
02:29 < enix> I'm thinking about just closing off the file :P
02:29 < enix> Reckon $211 is expensive for a power tower?
02:30 <@JollyRgrs> for a what?
02:30 < enix> dw
02:30 < enix> lol
02:30 < enix> fitness gear
02:38 < enix> HOly shit.. there is WAYYY too much going on here: https://www.aussiefitness.com.au/p/force-usa-monster-g3-functional-trainer/MON-G3
02:38 < enix> https://www.aussiefitness.com.au/p/force-usa-monster-g3-functional-trainer/MON-G3
02:38 < enix> grrr
02:38 < enix> oh no the link worked
02:39 < Ayeitzabee> Sorry, had to meditate for a bit
02:39 < enix> lol
02:39 < misspwn> meditate deez
02:40 < monoxane> anyone have any opinions on aerohive WAPs?
02:43 < Ayeitzabee> Never heard of them before
02:44 < enix> monoxane: haven't personally used them, but according to our senior sysadmin at my last job; they're fucking fantastic
02:44 < nojeffrey> What device would use dropbear SSH? 22/tcp open  ssh     Dropbear sshd (protocol 2.0)
02:44 < nojeffrey> Service Info: OS: Linux; CPE: cpe:/o:linux:linux_kernel
02:44 < enix> monoxane: But they were nubs; so they really just liked automatic config pushing via the web.
02:44 < monoxane> enix can you ghetto roaming them without a controller though?
02:45 < enix> Most likely
02:45 < monoxane> apparently you can configure everything with ssh or serial and they do mesh control with each other
02:45 < enix> But I would recommend doing it via their documentation
02:45 < monoxane> oh well im just gonna buy 5 on ebay and see how it goes i guess
02:45 < enix> If you're going to install a bunch of AP's around the joint and just give them the same bssid/pass but diff channel, then you're better off saving yourself the $800/ap
02:46 < monoxane> its only $200 for 5
02:46 < enix> link?
02:46 < monoxane> they are only 802.11n though
02:46 < monoxane> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aerohive-HiveAP-330-AP330-802-11n-Dual-Radio-3x3-3-Access-Point-Lot-of-5/163088179038?hash=item25f8d01f5e:g:WgQAAOSw7j5a8w5q
02:46 < monoxane> probs $125 USD
02:47 < enix> thats pretty cheap yeah they'd make good test units
02:47 < enix> licenses must be purchased as need be from Aerohive
02:47 < monoxane> wait do you *need* a license to use them?
02:47 < enix> apparently
02:47 < monoxane> like meraki?
02:47 < enix> not sure sorry
02:47 < monoxane> okay thanks anyway
02:48 < monoxane> ill do more research before i hit the buy button then
02:48 < monoxane> i don't want to be stuck with 5 paperweights
02:48 < enix> 100^%
02:49 < monoxane> ah there is a license level but its only if you want cloud managed
02:49 < monoxane> they work without it
02:49 < monoxane> neato
02:49 < MillerBOSS> You haven't hit that buy button yet? What are you waiting for?
02:49  * monoxane buys them
02:49 < MillerBOSS> DOOOO IT
02:49 < enix> beautiful
02:50 < monoxane> hehehehe what
02:50 < monoxane> you can get the eval account, config everything and export the CLI config
02:50 < monoxane> then kill the eval account and load the config via CLI
02:50 < enix> SO quoting up my home gym at the moment. Bench, barbell, four 20kg weights, four 10kg weights and a squat rack (so basically essentials): 662.51 not including delivery....
02:51 < enix> So rouhly $700 delivered...
02:51 < Ayeitzabee> What is a good vape to buy? :DD
02:51 < enix> Ayeitzabee: What're you looking for? clouds or quit smoking
02:51 < enix> and are you aussie?
02:51 < Ayeitzabee> Cloudzzzz
02:51 < Ayeitzabee> And yes
02:51 < Ayeitzabee> Gonna be blowing smoke out my falcon
02:52 < Ayeitzabee> Just not from the engine this time
02:52 < enix> lmao
02:52 < enix> I MIGHT have an RX gen 3 lying around I can check for you tonight
02:53 < enix> rx gen 3 w/ tank, three batteries, a charger and some juice ~ $150 delivered
02:53 < misspwn> hahaha you cloud guys i tell ya what
02:55 < MillerBOSS> THERE IS NO CLOUD, thanks.
02:55 < enix> yeah im kind of over the whole cloud thing
02:55 < MillerBOSS> Serverlesses is the FUTURE
02:55 < enix> I actually got a ego eco to test the waters visa vi sales and I'm pretty happy with it, but can't get past my ego aio lol
02:55 < Nightcinder> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/06/facebook-patent-would-turn-your-mic-on-to-analyze-how-you-watch-ads/
02:55 < Nightcinder> facebook stop
02:56 < enix> Nightcinder: all it's going to get is a bunch of people saying "mate fuck off"
02:56 < enix> bbl
02:56 < hello_kitty> if i daemonize a node application via systemd... i shouldn't make it run as root... right?
02:57 < hello_kitty> am making ansible  scripts to deploy some stuff.. got everything working... but everything is also done as root so far ><
02:58 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I was looking at a reveneger X?
02:58 < Ayeitzabee> Revenger X*
02:58 < hello_kitty> and ansible login as root, and then *become* something lesser than root...?
03:02 < MillerBOSS> https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-announce/message/dc23d48d2258e1ed91599a8091167002
03:02 < MillerBOSS> Let it roll
03:04 < Ayeitzabee> RIP
03:04 < nojeffrey> shiiiiit
03:04 < Ayeitzabee> MillerBOSS, Thanks
03:04 < MillerBOSS> Anytime, bbe
03:04 < Ayeitzabee> Their Github 404's lol
03:06 < nojeffrey> https://archive.is/lp94O
03:06  * DrGibby| pees on MillerBOSS 
03:06 < MillerBOSS> But that is not professional here DrGibby|
03:06  * MillerBOSS rolls eyes
03:06  * MillerBOSS pees on you back DrGibby| 
03:07 < MillerBOSS> There
03:07 < DrGibby|> :O
03:07 < DrGibby|> whoa man
03:07 < DrGibby|> lets keep it professional here
03:07 < MillerBOSS> OMG
03:07 < MillerBOSS>  /part
03:07 < MillerBOSS> Whoops
03:07 < MillerBOSS> What?
03:08 < MillerBOSS> I am on 8ch.net how did I get here
03:08 < MillerBOSS>  /pol/ even
03:09 < MillerBOSS> This looks like a dark corner of the Internets
03:09 < Ayeitzabee> Jesus look at this monstrosity https://twitter.com/SweetestFade/status/1011970189959843840
03:09 < MillerBOSS> Gentoo BBE
03:10 < nthdevops> Jesus christ
03:10 < MillerBOSS> I need that as my main too
03:11 < MillerBOSS> Can we punish the criminal and not the messenger ( layer-eight ) from now on? cryptic1
03:11 < MillerBOSS> kthx
03:12 < MillerBOSS> Was not aware http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/install-gentoo but I prefer to troll the trolls by actually install Gentoo and loving it
03:13 < MillerBOSS> https://youtu.be/VjGSMUep6_4 cryptic1 or JollyRgrs  GO!
03:14 < enix> gentoo is awesome
03:14 < MillerBOSS> Annnnnd Jimmy Buffett Live From Denver, CO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVO8zNtp7Os
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> MillerBOSS: your dance moves aren't half bad
03:14 <@JollyRgrs> but i'd work on that thrust a bit more
03:14 < enix> If you have a desktop that doesn't change very much (like ... you're not constantly installing software) and want to learn a LOT more about how your linux runs, Gentoo is teh way to go
03:15 < MillerBOSS> lol
03:15  * enix is a huge advocate of gentoo
03:15 < MillerBOSS> Tell me why its the way to go enix ?
03:15 < MillerBOSS> Learn me why
03:16 < enix> Well you're creating what you want and not getting anything additional
03:16 < MillerBOSS> Isn't that Arch?
03:17 < enix> Assuming you want a linux desktop, then you can straight up compile your modules into the kernel, lessening bloat, and hand-tailor the entire system to your needs. Basically; the entire thing is 100% to your choosing and 100% to your hardware
03:17 < enix> brb
03:17 < MillerBOSS> afk
03:17 < Ayeitzabee> ^
03:17  * MillerBOSS is back
03:18 < MillerBOSS> But I want to purple like https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgs9hHbW0AAM4rY.jpg:large
03:18 < Ayeitzabee> Its too much
03:19 < MillerBOSS> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17420605 Wow >Was probably opal
03:20 < MillerBOSS> Ayeitzabee 👉 Where are you been? Having you seen you type here in a while
03:22 < Ayeitzabee> Ahahaha, I was absolutely smashed getting everything ready for end of financial year I didn't even have time to open up IRC
03:22 < MillerBOSS> You missed all my music spam
03:22 < Ayeitzabee> But now I am done so I can go back to procrastinating :D
03:22 < MillerBOSS> There you go
03:22 < Ayeitzabee> Oh god, guess you gotta start spamming again, still listening to dinosaur music?
03:23 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVO8zNtp7Os right now
03:24 < Ayeitzabee> Oh boy, yes you are :D
03:44 <@Nostalg14c> Morning
03:44 < matty_r> sup Nostalg14c
03:45 <@Nostalg14c> Friyay.
03:45 <@Nostalg14c> But its more like 777 than 444.
03:45 <@Nostalg14c> Wbu?
03:45 < matty_r> what?
03:46 < Ayeitzabee> I am confused
03:46 < matty_r> I think I missed a conversation
03:47 < Ayeitzabee> Yeah, with the voices in his head :D
03:47 < matty_r> Ok Nostalg14c, which one am I speaking to now?
03:48 <@Nostalg14c> Its more like a writeable by all Friday, than a read-only Friday.
03:48 < Ayeitzabee> OOOHHH
03:48 < Ayeitzabee> That makes sense
03:48 < matty_r> oh shit
03:48 <@Nostalg14c> Cmon boyz.
03:48 < matty_r> you fuckin nerd
03:48 < Ayeitzabee> Jesus
03:48 < Ayeitzabee> I feel bad for missing that
03:49 < matty_r> god damnit
03:49 < Ayeitzabee> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8
03:50 < matty_r> lol
03:52 < matty_r> Nostalg14c says morning and immediately gets harangued
03:53 < Ayeitzabee> Such is the life of Nostalg14c
03:54 < xamithan> Does it hurt to get tattoos on the eyelids
03:55 < matty_r> no
03:55 < matty_r> tattoos never hurt
03:55 < matty_r> if you say otherwise you're a pussy
03:55 < matty_r> amirite guyz
03:56 < xamithan> pussy is good thing
03:57 < xamithan> Kittens are cute
03:57 < matty_r> they are also weak
03:58 < xamithan> Well they don't eat deer.  I'd like to be able to jump 10 times my height
04:05 < misspwn> idk i've passed out from a tattoo before because it was getting a litle much
04:05 <@Nostalg14c> I've sat multiple 12+ hour sessions.
04:05 <@Nostalg14c> But yeah, they hurt.
04:06 < misspwn> that was 8hr session with a few breaks. maybe i was light headed from not eating but that shit was painful on my spine., fuck getting a eyelid tat
04:08 <@JollyRgrs> WELCOME ABOARD!
04:08  * JollyRgrs waits for who gets that joke
04:08 < xamithan> You are so old jollyrgrs,  periscope ?
04:09 <@JollyRgrs> xamithan: u win
04:09 <@JollyRgrs> down periscope
04:09 <@JollyRgrs> i'll let you be close enough
04:09 <@JollyRgrs> that was a funny movie
04:10 < xamithan> It was alright.  I don't like movies that try too hard to be funny
04:12 <@JollyRgrs> not a fan of the slapstick, eh?
04:13 < xamithan> slapstick,  shock, and gore comedy.  Nah
04:13 < xamithan> Dark humor and wit is where its at
04:18 <@JollyRgrs> soyou didn't like "not another teen movie" i take it?
04:19 < xamithan> Never saw it but yes parody movies are what I deem "dumb comedy"
04:19 <@JollyRgrs> what about monty python?
04:19 <@JollyRgrs> it's "dumb" but at the same time, deep and has many subtexts
04:20 <@JollyRgrs> it's like smart-dumb comedy
04:20 < xamithan> parts of it are ok,  parts of it are stupid
04:20 < xamithan> Overall nope,  don't like it
04:20 < xamithan> Most british thing I can handle is IT Crowd
04:23 < m4221> Hey
04:23 < AustinS> oheygurl
04:23 < xamithan> You know what.  I can't even really think of a really funny movie
04:24 < m4221> AustinS touched my butt crypt
04:24 < m4221> cryptic1: halp
04:25 < AustinS> :P
04:25 < xamithan> big lebowski
04:26 < AustinS> yeah that's a good one
04:26 < m4221> AustinS: stop touching me jk
04:26 < xamithan> Wolf of wall street ;P
04:27 < AustinS> so.. keep touching? :O
04:27 < AustinS> im confused now!
04:27 < m4221> Big lebowski was good
04:27 <@cryptic1> O_o
04:27 <+CheckYourSix> xamithan: 21 Jump Street
04:27 <+CheckYourSix> Ride Along
04:27 < xamithan> Nah that wasn't good,  that fat kid isn't that good
04:27 < xamithan> kevin hart is annoying too
04:27 < m4221> cryptic1: AustinS tried to peg me
04:27 <+CheckYourSix> Damn, what do you find funny?
04:27 < joelazot> Hi guys
04:27 < xamithan> Oh how can I not think of eddies movie.
04:27 < xamithan> Coming to america
04:27 < xamithan> That was a great one
04:28 < xamithan> Like I said it is hard to think of them.  I named three movies I find funny,  lol
04:29 < xamithan> trainspotting was pretty good too.  have not seen the second one
04:29 <+CheckYourSix> Jesus fuck, I'm exhausted. Gotta stay awake longer though
04:29 < joelazot> How is everyone?
04:29 < m4221> Hunt for Red October++
04:29 < xamithan> Office space!
04:30 <+CheckYourSix> m4221: ++
04:30 < m4221> CheckYourSix: I got that on LaserDisc
04:33 < joelazot> How would you guys reccomend learning bash scripting?
04:33 < enix> joelazot: install gentoo
04:33 < xamithan> go through LFS
04:33 <@JollyRgrs> joelazot: find something you could actually use
04:34 <@JollyRgrs> like a project you WANT to solve for with a script
04:34 <@JollyRgrs> joelazot: do you use linux?
04:34 < joelazot> On my desktop?
04:34 <@JollyRgrs> at all
04:34 <@JollyRgrs> use a script to create a backup solution
04:34 < joelazot> yup! I have my 2nd pc setup as a KVM host
04:34 < enix> Same way as anything really though. I just wrote little utilities in python which i use on my linux desktop. My latest utility was a task list which has a mysql backend
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> joelazot: how are you doing KVM? by hand/
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> ?
04:35 < xamithan> Write a script to manage your scripts.  Write a script that fires off emails to notify you of disk usage, cpu load, write a backup script,  write a script that'll provision VMs on virsh
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> i had a bash script that would auto-create a new host for me with a default image
04:35 < joelazot> virsh
04:35 < enix> Taught me simple python read/write mysql commands and building my own little interface to use it
04:35 <@JollyRgrs> it created the VM, edited a vhd file to change hostname, and started it up, etc
04:36 <@JollyRgrs> so work on project like that that will benefit what you do already
04:36 < xamithan> Then after you finish convert everything into ansible
04:36 <@JollyRgrs> that'll give you reason and motivation
04:36 <@JollyRgrs> xamithan, and then to something else
04:36 <@JollyRgrs> and never stop
04:36 < joelazot> yeah
04:36 < joelazot> I already know a bit of ansible
04:37 < xamithan> I'm working on docker scripts
04:37 < xamithan> I really hate containers
04:37 < enix> http://cryptopals.com/ is always good for mucking about too
04:38 < enix> idk if it can be done in bash though
04:41 < enix> joelazot: "bash" is really just performing commands on your machine. So any actions such as `firefox https://google.com` is technically 'bash' related. If you're constantly connecting to machiens, you could create an "rdesktop" script which scans the target machine and determines if vnc, rdp or ssh should be used and are available
04:42 < joelazot> Ah, I get what you mean. Just automate everything you do commonly, enix?
04:42 < Church-> Bingo
04:42 < xamithan> If you do it more than once, sure
04:43 < Church-> Automation is the future. Do it now rather then later.
04:43 < enix> joelazot: it can be to automate, make life easier, or just to do things in a different way
04:44 < enix> joelazot: for example I use dmenu with i3 and X. I can just windows+d to bring up the input, then type in a command to execute. If I wanted to open firefox i have to run 'firefox'. If I wanted to run my tasklist, I would write 'tasklist'
04:44 < joelazot> ah ok
04:44 < enix> tasklist is a python script I created, but it's basically just a file I've symbolically linked via the command line to the executables directory on my system
04:44 < enix> Again; not lavishly exotic, but it's still bash
04:44 < joelazot> yeah
04:45 < enix> Try configure a web server to run wordpress via ssh only
04:45 < enix> Legit it's a good starting exercise because you'll have to edit config files, restart services, adjust permissions, setup a database etc.
04:45 < joelazot> as in configure a web server to run wordpress and only configure it through ssh?
04:45 < enix> Correct sorry
04:45 < enix> bad wording
04:45 < joelazot> It's fine
04:46 < joelazot> I can do that, it's just that i can do everyting you mentioned but setting up a DB
04:46 < joelazot> hopefully that didn't come out as rude
04:47 < enix> Nah it's fine I dont know your level
04:47 < enix> DB is easy; yum -y install mariadb-server lol
04:47 < enix> then systemctl {enable, restart} mysqld
04:47 < joelazot> does yum not care where you put args if there's only 1 argument
04:47 < joelazot> or is it flags they're called
04:47 < joelazot> yeah flags i think
04:47 < enix> the -y?
04:47 < joelazot> yes
04:47 < enix> Each utility has it's own quirk really
04:48 < enix> But specifically with yum, it's a little less caring about where things are. It relaly seems to work itself out
04:48 < joelazot> oh nice
04:48 < enix> obviously you can't do yum mariadb-server -y install but yeah
04:50 < joelazot> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
04:51 < joelazot> trying to think of what i could do with a VPS
04:51 < joelazot> cause i have aws free tier
04:51 < enix> IFTT
04:56 < enix> Speaking of.. I should really look into IFTTT when I get the new house
04:56 < enix> Some good home automation things there.
04:58 < rpifan> well that was 2000 calories
04:58 < joelazot> Is it common to have linux client machines? I'd assume so, but i'm just a naive teen.
04:59 <@Nostalg14c> spun up a new PDC
04:59 <@Nostalg14c> things getting raped, 26% CPU permanently from security event logs lol.
04:59 < DrGibby|> eek
04:59 < joelazot> eek
04:59 <@Nostalg14c> Altho it went from a 24core Physical server w/ 32gb ram
05:00 <@Nostalg14c> to a 2core 4gb ram vm
05:00 <@Nostalg14c> lmao
05:00 <@Nostalg14c> oop
05:00 < DrGibby|> oh
05:00 < DrGibby|> WELL THERE IS YOUR PROBLEM
05:00 <@Nostalg14c> I mean, to be fair, there's nothign wrong with some good ol' high husage.
05:00 <@Nostalg14c> Just means its specced appropriately, right?
05:00 < MillerBOSS> kee
05:01 < DrGibby|> uh
05:01 < DrGibby|> sure
05:02 < enix> joelazot: what do you mean by client machines
05:02 < joelazot> desktops
05:02 < enix> Nostalg14c: if your load isn't above 1 then you're fine
05:02 < enix> *insert "THIS SHOULD NEVER BE MORE THAN ONE" rick and morty meme*
05:02 <@Nostalg14c> Do you know how load works?
05:02 < enix> joelazot: yeah 100%
05:03 < enix> Nostalg14c: time each process has to wait to be processed
05:03 < DrGibby|> joelazot: our sec department is 50/50 nix/winderz
05:03 < enix> well an average of the time
05:03 <@Nostalg14c> no
05:03 < enix> yes
05:03 < DrGibby|> outside of that its nearly 100% winderz
05:05 < enix> wait or is it number of processes queued
05:06 < enix> jesus christ ive been lied to my whole life
05:06 < enix> fuck you Nostalg14c for removing the wool from my eyes. I was using it for ejuice.
05:07 < MillerBOSS> Do you mean, like, with a cloth?
05:08 < DrGibby|> wool is usually a cloth, yes
05:08 < enix> wool <-> clothe
05:08 < enix> s/e//
05:09 < DrGibby|> sometimes its a blanket, sometimes its on sheep
05:10 < MillerBOSS> https://youtu.be/9Rha6Wamfp0?t=8
05:10 < enix> Sometimes it's getting soaked in a solution then blasted with metal heated to 200C
05:13 < enix> Our phone systems getting the shits with me
05:13 < enix> THis is why you dont give computers names
05:13 < enix> s/names/voices
05:13 < DrGibby|> speaking of
05:13 < DrGibby|> my homelab is on hold until my 4GB CompactFlash modules get here :(
05:13 < MillerBOSS> Are you a cloth DrGibby|?
05:13 < DrGibby|> Are YOU a cloth, MillerBOSS?
05:14 < MillerBOSS> Of course. What kind of question is that
05:14 < MillerBOSS> >Delivery after July 4th
05:14 < enix> wow compactflash
05:14 < enix> haven't heard of that since 1080 came out
05:14 < DrGibby|> cisco man
05:15 < DrGibby|> still runs the world
05:15 < MillerBOSS> https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1012527427493376000
05:15 < MillerBOSS> Thats neat
05:15 < MillerBOSS> I don't get his whole twitter thread though
05:16 < Anaphyla_> yeet
05:16 < MillerBOSS> Those aren't cheap
05:16 < DrGibby|> between the service module being bad and not having enough CPflash storage
05:17 < MillerBOSS> https://www.amazon.com/ADATA-ISMS331-Industrial-Grade-Vertical-ISMS331-016GMV/dp/B07577GDGK/
05:17 < DrGibby|> my new upgrade is failing miserably
05:17 < MillerBOSS> Wow they are fast though compared to USB flash
05:17 < MillerBOSS> Sequential Read/Write: Up to 341/159 MB/s
05:18 < DrGibby|> I mean, every single new cisco router STILL uses CF
05:18 < MillerBOSS> You Cisco fanboy
05:18 < DrGibby|> I am :)
05:18 < DrGibby|> because the shit works
05:18 < MillerBOSS> So this 200E I just got. You can configure it with an iOS app using USB to lightening.
05:19 < DrGibby|> unless you buy a SM from a sketch third party on ebay
05:19 < MillerBOSS> Fortigate
05:19 < DrGibby|> fortigate is good too
05:19 < MillerBOSS> I am just getting into it
05:19 < MillerBOSS> I like that they are "current"
05:19 < DrGibby|> their SIEM is really good too
05:20 < MillerBOSS> Keeping up with the times so to speak. I want to get a work iPad just for their iOS apps
05:20 < DrGibby|> speaking of
05:20 < DrGibby|> thinking out a ipad pro
05:20 < MillerBOSS> Yeah I got all the bells and whistles. I need to learn. :(
05:20 < MillerBOSS> Get it
05:20 < DrGibby|> I cannot believe I said that though
05:20 < DrGibby|> I used to be a anti-apple cunt
05:21 < MillerBOSS> I want to get one of those for work. Only $799 for the huge ass one
05:21 < MillerBOSS> No need. Your lose if you do
05:21 < MillerBOSS> :)
05:21 < rpifan> MillerBOSS,
05:21 < MillerBOSS> They updated their website recently. Good compare link https://www.apple.com/ipad/compare/#ipad-pro-10-5,ipad
05:21 < MillerBOSS> rpifan 👉
05:23 < DrGibby|> 🤛
05:23 < DrGibby|> er
05:23 < DrGibby|> 👉
05:23 < MillerBOSS> RPIFAN,
05:23 < MillerBOSS> RPIFAN,
05:23 < MillerBOSS> RPIFAN,
05:23 < DrGibby|> 👉
05:23 < DrGibby|> 👉
05:23 < DrGibby|> 👉
05:24 < MillerBOSS> RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉RPIFAN 👉
05:24 < MillerBOSS> 🤛
05:24 < DrGibby|> 👉
05:24 < MillerBOSS> There needs to be a picking nose emoji
05:24 < MillerBOSS> amirite
05:25 < DrGibby|> 👃
05:25 < MillerBOSS> Close
05:25 < DrGibby|> 🖕
05:25 < DrGibby|> YOU
05:25 < DrGibby|> YOU FUCKED IT UP
05:25 < DrGibby|> YOU FUCKING FUCKED IT UP
05:26 < MillerBOSS> Well do it again, child
05:26 < MillerBOSS> 👃
05:26 < MillerBOSS> 🖕
05:26 < MillerBOSS> Do it in one send
05:26 < MillerBOSS> 👃👃👃👃👃👃
05:26 < MillerBOSS> 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
05:26 < MillerBOSS> lol
05:26 < MillerBOSS> wow
05:26 < MillerBOSS> Now look what you started
05:28 < misspwn> i saw a dress in a movie thinking it was probably one of those shitty silk screen dresses from china. well, it's actually high end and fucking expensive https://www.childrensalonoutlet.com/dolce-gabbana-girls-silk-cani-e-rose-dress-181708.html
05:28 < MadCamel> Hey baby. Wanna go kill all humans with me tonight?
05:29 < MadCamel> bender++
05:29 < MadCamel> ahahaha that dress
05:30 < misspwn> right?
05:30 < misspwn> i want that dress man
05:30 < misspwn> like it took me a minute to figure out she had fuckin dogs and roses on her dress and i was like man i would totally wear that to work
05:30 < MillerBOSS> I want a Hawaiian shirt with that but not the dog
05:31 < misspwn> yeeee
05:31 < MadCamel> I'm the crazy cat person so would want that dress in cat.
05:32 < rpifan> hello
05:32 < rpifan> i ate an entire pizza
05:32 < rpifan> i also managed to compile linux with target world
05:32 < MadCamel> sounds like a good evening
05:32 < DrGibby|> I want to live in hawaii :(
05:33 < MadCamel> wonder what pizza cooked on lava'd taste like
05:34 < enix> misspwn: why would anyone want to spend that much on a dress
05:35 < enix> that I could probably make with fabric from spotlight...
05:35 < misspwn> MadCamel, https://imgur.com/a/AkBwiBz i have this one, but that isn't close to the one i linked. enix i don't know why anyone would want to spend that much on a dress. the one for women is over a thousand bucks...
05:35 < misspwn> i was bummed out when i saw how much it cost
05:36 < misspwn> then again dolce sells sweatpants for 700
05:36 < rpifan> yumy
05:36 < MadCamel> They're both cute as hell. But the dog one has a very bad price/cuteness ratio.
05:36 < rpifan> misspwn, would u love me if im fat
05:36 < misspwn> yeah maybe if it was 60 or less
05:36 < misspwn> rpifan, get fat with me!
05:37 < rpifan> misspwn, so im not gonna get to see u irl at hope or any time soon?
05:38 < misspwn> uhhhhhhhhh jul-september are going to be busy as shit for me
05:38 < MadCamel> oh shit. hope's this year? Damn yo time flies
05:38 < rpifan> alas poor misspwn i knew her well
05:38 < misspwn> so many birthdays and obligations
05:40 < MadCamel> I might go to hope. Depends if I can crash on a buddy's couch again because I'm too cheap for the hotel.
05:40 < rpifan> i might bring a sleeping bag
05:40 < MadCamel> might as well, I'm sure you could find somewhere to set it up
05:41 < rpifan> last year i commuted two queens for two days and it was worthless
05:41 < rpifan> the last day i found a twink to sleep with
05:42 < MadCamel> haha. gettin sum at a hacker con. Your leetness factor has increased by 30.
05:42 < rpifan> well it was some guy that lived in the city
05:42 < rpifan> he was just nice enugh to let me sleep at his place for a few hours
05:43 < misspwn> "sleep"
05:43 < Church-> Yo MadCamel misspwn
05:43 < Church-> Wassup
05:43 < misspwn> wasaaaaaaaaaaaaaap
05:43 < misspwn> over here keeping it fresh dawg, survived the heckin starm
05:43 < misspwn> sup Church- ?
05:43 < Church-> MadCamel: So might have an offer at a company down in NC. Should be a instahire with my resume my mate said.
05:44 < Church-> Gonna see if I can leverage it to get my preferred companies to hurry their damn final selection process.
05:44 < MadCamel> Church-: Hope it works out for you. And yeah it can't hurt to push a bit
05:44 < misspwn> nice! if you do end up heading to NC, please send me bbq sauce
05:45 < MadCamel> 'member how I said I landed an okay gig? 80% chance I'm getting fired already haha
05:45 < rpifan> yea
05:45 < Church-> MadCamel: Oh I have been, finally got the CTO's email off my guy. Sent him an email to see how it is going.
05:45 < Church-> MadCamel: Oh?
05:46 < misspwn> MadCamel, woah what's up?
05:46 < rpifan> i gotta say compiling openwrt from source must give me nerd cred
05:47 < Church-> Not really
05:47 < MadCamel> Church-: This place is a bureaucratic hellscape. I listed someone I contracted for on my resume. They can't verify it. So they've initiated the process to let me go. It's policy and policy here is inflexible. My manager's trying to pull a hail mary but it probably won't work.
05:47 < Church-> That's... god damn.
05:47 < rpifan> not really?
05:48 < Church-> Have you been an exemplary employee?
05:48 < MadCamel> Not particularly. I've only been here 3 weeks and it took 2 of them just to get me credentials to ssh into the development machines.
05:49 < MadCamel> Policy.
05:49 < rpifan> sounds like my job.old
05:49 < rpifan> job.old hmm i feel like thats not right in python
05:50 < Church-> ...
05:50 < Church-> MadCamel: It... it sounds like hell.
05:50 < rpifan> job['old']
05:50 < rpifan> right?
05:50 < rpifan> someone fix my grammar
05:52 < MadCamel> Yeah. The money's great, 3x my previous deal.. But I honestly won't be too disappointed if they can me. Banking security infrastructure is not a good field for a free-thinker, apparently.
05:53 < MadCamel> do it perl style rpifan. $job{'old'}
05:53 < misspwn> wait so they can't verify a contact on your list. i mean that shit happens
05:54 < misspwn> kinda sounds like it's a them problem and not a you problem. obviously that doesn't fix your situation but it's their responsibility to do all that before hiring. that's like hiring you and then saying you failed a background check after
05:54 < rpifan> perl is satan
05:55 < rpifan> what would the job array contain
05:55 < rpifan> or is that a tuple
05:55 < rpifan> a list i gues
05:55 < MadCamel> Yeah, you'd think such verification would happen pre-hire but I guess they keep checking into you for the first couple months, even hire investigators and stuff.
05:55 < MadCamel> it's a hash. old is the key.
05:56 < Church-> MadCamel: Oh it's a bank.
05:56 < Church-> MadCamel: Just tell them you know COBOL
05:57 < Church-> And learn it at night.
05:57 < MadCamel> lolol I told them I know perl and they about crapped their pants and decided to hire me on the spot.
05:57 < MadCamel> so I guess perl's legacy enough now for that
05:58 < rpifan> a hash? doesnt sound like a python standard, isnt it like a dictionary with a key value pair
05:59 < MadCamel> yup it's a in-memory key/value store with some interestingly useful properties
06:01 < rpifan> in python? like what
06:03 < MadCamel> like a dictionary, mainly.
06:03 < BytesAndCoffee> yup
06:03 < BytesAndCoffee> dict is essentially a hashmap
06:03 < BytesAndCoffee> a collection of key:value pairs
06:04 < BytesAndCoffee> in fact, the keys in a dict must be immutable types, as only immutable types are hashable
06:04 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: rpifan: So Dicts, HashMaps, Hashs, all the same thing.
06:05 < Church-> Not essentially. All the same.
06:05 < rpifan> why must the key be immutable
06:06 < BytesAndCoffee> rpifan: because only immutable types implement __hash__()
06:06 < Church-> rpifan: If the key changes how will you get the value?
06:06 < Church-> The value is always mapped to that key and only that key.
06:07 < Church-> Thus it must be immutable.
06:07 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: not the key, but the hash of the key
06:07 < Church-> Eh point.
06:07  * Church- is rusty on his DS implementation knowledge.
06:07 < BytesAndCoffee> {'foo': 'bar'} is more like hash('foo') --> 'bar'
06:07 < rpifan> ok why use a hash of a key
06:08 < BytesAndCoffee> rpifan: efficiency
06:08  * Church- is ironically relearning all the old DS's he used to know.
06:08 < rpifan> nintendo ds?
06:09 < MadCamel> DS?
06:09 < BytesAndCoffee> rpifan: https://hastebin.com/meloyunonu.py
06:09 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: DS?
06:10 < rpifan> so hashes are equally long
06:10 < BytesAndCoffee> pretty much
06:10 < BytesAndCoffee> note that hash() is not a cryptographic hash
06:11 < rpifan> its not?
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> no
06:11 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: Data Structure
06:11 < BytesAndCoffee> rpifan: help('hashlib')
06:12 < rpifan> im not on python atm
06:12 < rpifan> also i still dont make classes in python
06:13 < BytesAndCoffee> https://docs.python.org/3/library/hashlib.html
06:13 < Church-> Should fix that.
06:13 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: ?
06:13 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: Was to rpifan
06:13 < BytesAndCoffee> ah
06:13 < BytesAndCoffee> eh
06:13 < rpifan> i really dont like the python documentation
06:13 < Church-> Structured code is good code.
06:13 < rpifan> its hard for me to read
06:13 < BytesAndCoffee> OOP isn't all its chocked up to be
06:13 < Church-> Also true.
06:14 < BytesAndCoffee> bad OOP < well-made non-OOP
06:14 < Church-> I mainly do a mixture of OOP/Imperative and functional.
06:14 < rpifan> i mean im in a strange place, i like that i use .notation for things but i really odnt like using / make classes
06:14 < rpifan> i just want to make it like basic
06:14 < rpifan> 10 fuck you
06:14 < rpifan> 20 go to 10
06:14 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: naughty, mixing church and state
06:15  * BytesAndCoffee sends a velociraptor after rpifan 
06:15 < BytesAndCoffee> https://xkcd.com/292/
06:15 < rpifan> why?
06:16 < BytesAndCoffee> because goto is dirty and filthy and codesmell
06:17 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: Heheheh
06:17 < rpifan> i dont see why
06:17 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: Nah goto is nice if used properly.
06:17 < Church-> Just a lot of ways to use improperly.
06:17 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: are you church in #xkcd on foonetic?
06:18 < rpifan> i just dont like classes
06:18 < rpifan> there annoying
06:18 < Church-> BytesAndCoffee: Yep. We've had this convo before too. :P
06:18 < rpifan> i guess if it was like js where the object is a prototype itd be less worse
06:18 < BytesAndCoffee> Church-: i know
06:18 < BytesAndCoffee> layers
06:18 < Church-> Yep
06:18 < Ayeitzabee> Wut
06:18 < Church-> Like an Onion
06:18 < Church-> Or an ogre.
06:18 < Ayeitzabee> Or ya mum
06:18 < rpifan> what is
06:18 < BytesAndCoffee> http://www.xkcdb.com/10519
06:19 < rpifan> LOL
06:19 < rpifan> but modern languages dont have go to do they
06:19 < BytesAndCoffee> i mean, python does
06:19 < BytesAndCoffee> but it doesn't mean you should use it
06:19 < rpifan> does it really
06:19 < BytesAndCoffee> (goto, not python)
06:19 < rpifan> i tried once
06:19 < BytesAndCoffee> you should use python
06:19 < Ayeitzabee> Pls no goto
06:19 < rpifan> but tit did do aything
06:20 < rpifan> its a lazy shortcut yes
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> No powershell first
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> Then python
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> rpifan, just put everything in functions
06:20 < rpifan> ps is toxic shit
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> ps is bae
06:20 < rpifan> i never know how big to make the functions
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> I wrote my entire certificate system on it
06:20 < rpifan> how much shit should the function do
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> It should do one thing
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> It is a function
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> And you can call other functions in that function
06:20 < Ayeitzabee> The function function :DDDDDD
06:21 < rpifan> eh its a moot point cuase im not doing anything atm with no job
06:21 < rpifan> but i am getting calls for devops
06:21 < rpifan> so im selling my python skillz
06:21 < BytesAndCoffee> Ayeitzabee: https://mega.bytes.coffee/you-shouldnt-be-able-to-do-that-63c2c5e94257
06:21 < BytesAndCoffee> i should actually use that blog
06:21 < BytesAndCoffee> i paid good money for Medium hosting
06:22 < Ayeitzabee> You should aye
06:22 < rpifan> BytesAndCoffee, do u ever compile linux kernels from scratch
06:22 < Ayeitzabee> Fuck that, I can barely compile a program
06:22 < BytesAndCoffee> rpifan: http://www.xkcdb.com/10591
06:23 < AustinS> ugh i had to last week cause our other dept has some giant proprietary storage solution
06:23 < AustinS> so had to get a *very* specific kernel version and compile that with certain modules built in so their pre-compiled proprietary shit could load
06:23 < rpifan> soo
06:24 < rpifan> im compiling openwrt for a router thing i have to add some modules but
06:24 < rpifan> for some reason its compiling itself
06:24 < BytesAndCoffee> Ayeitzabee: how did i do with that post? do you like the writing style?
06:24 < rpifan> so its actually compiling gdb and other stuff
06:24 < rpifan> why is it doign that
06:24 < rpifan> its compiling tar and other utilities
06:24 < rpifan> its doing everything
06:24 < BytesAndCoffee> how i did*
06:24 < Ayeitzabee> BytesAndCoffee, I thought it was legit till I saw the scripts
06:24 < MadCamel> I just sleepily wrote an evil IRC bot. wanna see?
06:25 < BytesAndCoffee> Ayeitzabee: it is legit
06:25 < Ayeitzabee> 9/10 deleted system32's
06:25 < Ayeitzabee> ^
06:25 < rpifan> why would it compile the utilties itself
06:25 < MadCamel> perl -e 'use IO::Socket;$s=IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerHost=>"irc.freenode.net:6667");print $s "USER bot z z :bot\nNICK perlybot\n";while(<$s>){print;print $s "PONG $1\n" if /PING (.+)/; print $s "JOIN #perl\n" if /end of \/motd/i;}'
06:25 < rpifan> i thought it would just take them and put them into the image
06:25 < rpifan>  make[3] -C toolchain/binutils prepare
06:25 < rpifan>  make[3] -C toolchain/binutils compile
06:25 < rpifan>  make[3] -C toolchain/binutils install
06:26 < MadCamel> rpifan: your amd64 toolchain can't build binaries for ARM or whatever your target is. So openwrt has to build it's own toolchain
06:27 < MadCamel> compiler, linker, etc
06:28 < rpifan> my target is mips apparently
06:28 < MadCamel> there's likely a shortcut you can take downloading ready-to-run tools instead
06:29 < rpifan> yea thats what i thought i had downloaded the toolchain but i guess i havent. At least after this i acn keep these tools somewhere right?
06:29 < MadCamel> true
06:29 < rpifan> but where do these tools get installed too
06:30 < MadCamel> idk. my memory's pretty hazy from the last time I played with openwrt. I believe it was pretty self-contained. somewhere under it's directory is my guess.
06:31 < rpifan> hmm thats good
06:31 < rpifan> i dont want extra tools polluting my junj
06:40 < corn266> just so y'all know cryptic1 -v'd layer-eight
06:41 < rpifan> std?
06:41 < rpifan> how long is this shit gonna take to compile
06:41 < corn266> I tried to get op status to revoice layer-eight but cryptic1 denied me
06:41 < corn266> rpifan depends what are you compiling
06:43 < MillerBOSS> They they really do it again? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy8kmNEo1i8
06:43 < MillerBOSS> :O
06:43 < rpifan> the whole mips toolchain for openwrt
06:43 < MillerBOSS> ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-bop ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-bop
06:43 < corn266> next logical question is why tf are you compiling it
06:44 < corn266> the absolute madmen MillerBOSS
06:44 < rpifan> cause im a noob, i was trying to build openwrt for a device and it decide to build its toolchain with it
06:44 < MillerBOSS> Yes
06:45 < corn266> fair enough, the stargan shit I compiled 2 days ago finished this morning
06:50 < rpifan> whats stargan?
06:51 < corn266> turns men into women using AI
06:51 < rpifan> what
06:52 < corn266> https://i.redd.it/7805mzyjcf001.jpg
06:52 < rpifan> yes but why
06:52 < rpifan> and how
06:52 < corn266> because the gubbermint wants pictures of rocks
06:53 < corn266> and it's a domain transfer, basically learns how to manipulate pictures to give them the desired traits
06:54 < corn266> in more specific terms, it learns that the difference between two pixels means 'hair' and that the color values of 'hair' can be altered to display different, believable colors that have been seen before
06:55 <@JollyRgrs> so if i wanna run my own DNS, but use pfblockerng... do i need to set DHCP to go to pfsense for DNS and have pfsense then go to my bind9 server?
06:56 < corn266> JollyRgrs from what I've seen felda spout you just need to bridge your modem to your router and configure it to use your set up DNS as /the/ DNS
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: pfBlockerng isn't working with that, though
06:56 < corn266> my bad, then
06:57 <@JollyRgrs> if i nslookup adxmarket.com 10.0.0.1 (pfsense server), i get desired effect
06:57 <@JollyRgrs> but from my workstation pointing to DNS of 10.0.0.10... it doesn't block
06:57 < corn266> manually set to 10.0.0.10?
06:58 < rpifan> corn266, how hard is it get ppl to smile and shit
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: but it has to go THROUGH the pfsense box to get domains blocked via dns
06:58 < corn266> through AI? fuck if I know. I got pretty plausible results after training on 200k images
06:59 < corn266> JollyRgrs I mean you can have your router set for DHCP but statically set individual boxes
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> oh i know
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> i also run isc-dhcp on my DNS VM (also not handled via pfsense)
07:00 < corn266> sorry JollyRgrs I do dev, devops, and the occasional system stand-up / maintenance
07:01 <@JollyRgrs> i'm SCCM guy, i play with linux at home and networking (to this level) is a weakness of mine
07:01 <@JollyRgrs> that's why i wanted to run my own bind9 and isc-dhcp, so i could learn a bit more
07:02 < corn266> fair enough, good luck though
07:02 <@JollyRgrs> thx
07:04 < Ayeitzabee> I love networking, probably my favorite thing to do
07:04 <@JollyRgrs> Ayeitzabee: pls to be the helping?
07:05 < Ayeitzabee> JollyRgrs, I don't understand, but sure :D
07:08 < rpifan> corn266, ur devops? train me obi one
07:09 < corn266> i literally flounder until shit works
07:10 <@JollyRgrs> corn266: until that 15th google search term and the 12th entry on that term FINALLY has the answer you needed
07:10 <@JollyRgrs> but the "answer" is really just pointing you to look at some other place and then you figure out the rest on your own
07:10 < corn266> wtf is stack exchange JollyRgrs
07:10 <@JollyRgrs> lol
07:11 < corn266> wait no you got it exactly
07:11 < corn266> speaking of, i gotta help re-generate our jira self-signed cert tomorrow
07:12 < ned0> corn266 w t f
07:12 < corn266> my coworker booked me for an event that was title "future <coworker> and corn266 will deal with this"
07:12 < rpifan> what tech do u know
07:13 < corn266> not much
07:14 < corn266> bash batch java some c and c++ python including tensorflow and pytorch, some linux environments and what windows likes to ignore if you're using the 'pro' version
07:17 < corn266> what are you looking for rpifan
07:18 < rpifan> idk im applying for devops roles in germany and they are interested
07:18 < rpifan> but how do i wow them
07:19 < rpifan> lso
07:19 < rpifan> also make has finished
07:19 < corn266> gzzz on finishing
07:19 < corn266> but I really can't help ya
07:19 < rpifan> now where is my image
07:21 < corn266> $HOME/Downloads/.
07:21 < Ayeitzabee> rpifan, what do you already know?
07:21 < Ayeitzabee> Like what kind of devops as well? Web, SAAS, desktop programming?
07:23 < rpifan> well mostly linux admin stuff, some basic + python scrpting, played with aws ec2 and route 53, i know low level help desk shit too
07:23 < corn266> why you looking for devops with linux admin bg?
07:24 < rpifan> im not looking thta what the germans are asking from me and im fine with it. The thing is its a lot less about what i know and much more about what i can do. Gimme two days and ill figure out most stuff. Basically i dont know what i dont know
07:25 < corn266> imo you should get a foothold before reaching, but you do you
07:26 < rpifan> i dont know about that, so far at my two different roles ive more then exceeded my technical knowledge
07:26 < corn266> yea so a crisp clean and easy job to build your german social life then move up the ladder aftewards
07:26 < corn266> again imo
07:27 < corn266> less you're lookin to meet in the office
07:27 < rpifan> like what? i mean im appliyng to everything and anthing that will take me
07:27 < rpifan> thats my strategy
07:27 < rpifan> and so far good results really
07:27 < corn266> nice, i might come visit you then
07:28 < rpifan> sure
07:28 < rpifan> s long as u r cute
07:28 < rpifan> this one germany place said we like your code lets schedule a follow up, im like uh i didnt do any coding. There syste is setup for dev ppl not sys / devops
07:29 <@JollyRgrs> rpifan: maybe code is code for not code
07:29 < MillerBOSS> https://youtu.be/U0lI-6pmfBY?t=67
07:29 < MillerBOSS> PANAMA
07:30 < corn266> is that taylor whatsername
07:30 < rpifan> lol
07:30 < MillerBOSS> Wow David still has it
07:30 < MillerBOSS> As long as he lays off the drugs
07:30 < corn266> (((3 years ago)))
07:30 < MillerBOSS> Yeah its not 15
07:31 < MillerBOSS> PANAMA
07:31 < enix> So serious shit right now
07:31 < enix> apparently rapidssl got bought out and their intermediary certs are changing?
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> bad timing
07:32 < enix> And chrome isn't going to support them as of tomorrow
07:32 < enix> can anyone confirm?
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> oh geez
07:32 < MillerBOSS> Rapidssl?
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> ican't confirm any more than your google results already told you
07:32 < MillerBOSS> News to me
07:32 < enix> JollyRgrs: I was told this
07:32 < enix> I dont know if true
07:32 <@JollyRgrs> u didn't google yet?
07:32 < enix> Had to google for this
07:33 < AustinS> ive never heard of an intermediary just getting .. cut off like that. lol
07:33 < MillerBOSS> enix 👉 Do you mean SHA-1?
07:33 < MillerBOSS> https://www.rapidsslonline.com/blog/google-exclude-sha-1-upcoming-chrome-browsers/
07:33 < enix> s/Had/hard
07:33 < corn266> shit someone buy rapidssl certs
07:33 < corn266> s/certs/stocks
07:33 < MillerBOSS> Except thats old that happened already
07:34 < MillerBOSS> enix 👉 Exactly what you need https://knowledge.digicert.com/generalinformation/INFO4627.html
07:34 < enix> okay need to check issue date
07:34 < enix> thank you <3
07:35 < MillerBOSS> My guess those certs by rapidssl were resellers of Symantec
07:35 < MillerBOSS> Symantec’s PKI business, which operates a series of Certificate Authorities under various brand names, including Thawte, VeriSign, Equifax, GeoTrust, and RapidSSL
07:35 < nojeffrey> Anyone know of a script that constantly scrapes for cheapest airline tickets, I remember seeing a post on medium.com about how a programmer books flights
07:35 < MillerBOSS> Oh brand names
07:35 < MillerBOSS> Go figure
07:35 < MillerBOSS> I had no idea
07:36 < MillerBOSS> And digicert bought all of that enix
07:36 < enix> notBefore=Nov  2 12:24:33 2017 GMT
07:36 < enix> ffuuuaaaaa
07:36 < MillerBOSS> https://security.googleblog.com/2017/09/chromes-plan-to-distrust-symantec.html
07:36 < enix> thats right from rapidssl website
07:37 < MillerBOSS> But I am not seeing tomorrows date anywhere enix
07:37 < nojeffrey> nm, 4557045537498820
07:37 < enix> me neither
07:37 < MillerBOSS> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/#!topic/blink-dev/eUAKwjihhBs%5B251-275%5D
07:37 <@JollyRgrs> At the end of July
07:38 < MillerBOSS> Wait for it to load
07:38 <@JollyRgrs> so you got 1 more month?
07:38 <@JollyRgrs> oh wait, that's when they converged on a plan
07:38 < MillerBOSS> I am seeing ~October 23, 2018
07:38 < MillerBOSS> Chrome 70 released to Stable.
07:38 <@JollyRgrs> nvm
07:38 < enix> yeah lol
07:38 < enix> yeah chromium still on 65 so can't check
07:38 < enix> fucking rhel get your shit together
07:38 < enix> well epel...
07:39 < MillerBOSS> When was cert generated?
07:39 < MillerBOSS> issued
07:39 < rpifan> im gonna raed that sys admin book
07:39 < rpifan> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0134277554/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=tutorialinux-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0134277554&linkId=7b3d8041e639b32baa5d773452df19ee
07:39 < enix> MillerBOSS: one was a couple days ago, the other was...
07:39 < MillerBOSS> Lol you just got one a couple days ago?
07:40 < enix> 20 mar
07:40 < enix> we have two; one was last week, one was 20 mar
07:40 < MillerBOSS> So I'd think you'd be good
07:40 < MillerBOSS> That was issued, correct
07:40 < MillerBOSS> https://security-center.rapidssl.com/process/trust/console_login?application_locale=RAPIDSSL_US
07:40 < enix> Thats my cert, not my ca bundle
07:40 < MillerBOSS> To be sure I'd contact man
07:42 < MillerBOSS> Who is the root cert?
07:42 < MillerBOSS> You are gonna want DigiCert instead of Symantec
07:42 < MillerBOSS> For root
07:42 < MillerBOSS> To be clear
07:42 < MillerBOSS> of distrust
07:43 < MillerBOSS> https://www.digicert.com/replace-your-symantec-ssl-tls-certificates/
07:43 < MillerBOSS> Step 3 https://www.digicert.com/replace-your-symantec-ssl-tls-certificates/#step-3 enix
07:44 < MillerBOSS> Pretty simple. No fires
07:44 < MillerBOSS> :P
07:48 < Holo> rocking with lets encrypt
07:51 < enix> sorry had ot run out
07:51 < enix> we got our cert from rapidssl.. doesnt that mean we need rapidssl intermediates?
07:51  * enix is very rusty on this stuff now
07:52 < MillerBOSS> Just read the links
07:52 < MillerBOSS> And scroll up. All the info is there
07:52 < MillerBOSS> :)
07:52 < MillerBOSS> Just remember Symantec’s PKI business, which operates a series of Certificate Authorities under various brand names, including Thawte, VeriSign, Equifax, GeoTrust, and RapidSSL
07:52 < enix> Riiight
07:52 < enix> Well will probably be safer than sorry to do that
07:53 < MillerBOSS> And DigiCert ought Symantec's PKI business
07:53 < MillerBOSS> Bought
07:53 < enix> oh really
07:53 < MillerBOSS> Yes read the links. :)
07:53 < enix> Sorry been under pressure a bit and have been skim reading for the info i nee dlol
07:53 < MillerBOSS> https://www.techmeme.com/170802/p27#a170802p27
07:54 < enix> WOW
07:54 < enix> symantec got the better end of that deal for SURE
07:55 < MillerBOSS> How do you figure?
07:55 < enix> $950m for their business + 30% shares in digicert
07:56 < MillerBOSS> I am willing to bet DigiCert will make bank
07:56 < MillerBOSS> Look at all those brands DigiCert bought
07:56 < MillerBOSS> :P
07:57 < enix> Yeah but not only does symantec continue to make money in the SSL cert industry, but they dont have to do anything for it anymore
07:57 < enix> Sure it's a drop of 70% less revenue, but it's a more passive income for the busienss
07:57 < enix> With digicert doing all the work maintaining infrastructure across multiple brands
08:05 < MillerBOSS> What it is yo
08:05 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbzw-4WFrog
08:06 < enix> trillville lol
08:06 < enix> top name
08:07 < MillerBOSS> ;)
08:08 < humpaxx> Gomorrn and happy friday everyone
08:08 < ceofreak> What's uuuuuup
08:08 < humpaxx> i just greeted everyone a good morning
08:08 < humpaxx> you?
08:10 < enix> ceofreak: I was just greeted a good morning at 4pm. Hbu?
08:10 < MillerBOSS> All I know is that it's going down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFz59Jmgewk
08:10 < MillerBOSS> I'm in the club
08:10 < niklasye> morning!
08:11 < plop> morning suckers
08:11 < plop> isitfridayyet.com
08:11 < plop> MillerBOSS, layer-eight again no voice?
08:11 < MillerBOSS> Yup. Cryptic1's fault
08:11 < ceofreak> enix: wish to be where you are already
08:11 < ceofreak> it's 8 am here
08:11 < plop> 8am here too
08:11 < ceofreak> sup ploppson
08:12 < niklasye> 8 here too
08:12 < plop> and tomorrow i got a reservation in el celler de can roca hah
08:12 < ceofreak> MillerBOSS, nice
08:12 < ceofreak> I'm joinin in
08:12 < ceofreak> You got what
08:12 < plop> we're 2 and we have a reservation for 3. anyone wanna come?
08:12 < ceofreak> el cellar sounds like a rapists place
08:13 < MillerBOSS> Meet me in the mall
08:13 < plop> yes they rape your wallet but you enjoy it
08:13 < enix> how bow da
08:13 < MillerBOSS> Its going down
08:13 < ceofreak> Next week I'm gonna set up a dual boot with linux again
08:14 < ceofreak> need to give it another shot
08:14 < MillerBOSS> With Gentoo right?
08:14 < ceofreak> yes
08:14 < plop> fucking guacamole won't connect to the rds
08:14 < ceofreak> what else?
08:14 < plop> anyone set it up?
08:14 < MillerBOSS> https://www.weather.gov/grb/weatherstory
08:15 < MillerBOSS> Of course that the master race fahrenheit
08:16 < MillerBOSS> I hardly ever use it if that helps plop :P
08:16 < ceofreak> What linux distro would you use in a windows shop? Mint? Debian?
08:16 < plop> MillerBOSS, hehe
08:16 < MillerBOSS> Gentoo, right?
08:16 < ceofreak> Shuuuuuut the fuckkkkk upppp
08:16 < ceofreak> :D
08:16 < ceofreak> I passed the rite of passage years ago
08:16 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjGSMUep6_4
08:17 < enix> omg i hate people who do things manually
08:17 < enix> gonna take ages to update all these certs manually...
08:17 < MillerBOSS> Like unzip their zipper?
08:17 < enix> I bet the last guy had a script he took with him -.-
08:17 < niklasye> I love cert-manager
08:18 < niklasye> no more replacing certs
08:18 < niklasye> or well, replace them often but automatically
08:20 < MillerBOSS> But isn't that for k8 only?
08:21 < MillerBOSS> Where are the certs installed enix?
08:21 < ceofreak> Now I need to document everyone who got single permission on certain folders
08:21 < ceofreak> ....
08:23 < enix> wtf is k8
08:23 < enix> I run linux web servers
08:23 < humpaxx> Oh, apparently in chrome you can bypass the "cert expired" screen by typing "thisisunsafe" (without quotes) even tho the "go there anyway" button is missing
08:23 < enix> they need to be updated on multiple locations from what I can see
08:23 < humpaxx> enix: kubernetes i think?
08:23 < enix> oh right
08:23 < enix> I (intentionally) forget that exists
08:23 < MillerBOSS> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=k8
08:23 < enix> then go on being happy thinking people who use complex systems are fuckers
08:23 < enix> MillerBOSS: suck me
08:24 < MillerBOSS> We both know that is not possible per size.
08:24 < humpaxx> enix: i hear all the cool kids are using it so im thinking o f trying it
08:24 < MillerBOSS> :O
08:24 < humpaxx> Sick burn MillerBOSS
08:24 < MillerBOSS> lol
08:24  * enix goes to hospital
08:25 < MillerBOSS> LG stole that SEO with the LG K8
08:26 < enix> Man I am going to make SOOOO many changes here very very soon
08:26 < humpaxx> Do you think anyone ever said "I got a new Life´s Good Phone" ?
08:26 < enix> humpaxx: I actually have a habit of calling it Lifes Good instead of LG
08:26 < enix> It started as a joke but it kinda stuck
08:27 < enix> kind of like how i would mispronounce one of our products names at my last company as a weird quirk of mine, then all our customers started calling it that and i relaized what i had done
08:28 < Ayeitzabee_> Who wants to try and break into my webapp
08:28 < humpaxx> enix: "And thats why im not welcome as shamshung anymore"
08:29 < Ayeitzabee_> Scamsung?
08:29 < Ayeitzabee_> bamsung?
08:29 < humpaxx> Shamsunhng
08:29 < Ayeitzabee_> Samsum?
08:30 < humpaxx> Does anyone here have an ISO for Windows Vista (32bit, swedish edition)?
08:30 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee_: SS for sort
08:30 < plop> yay guacamole working.
08:30 < plop> Dimsum?
08:31 < enix> bam and the sung is gone
08:32 < enix> Why didnt i save my fucking scripts from my last job T_T
08:32 < enix> last sys admin job
08:32 < enix> I got made redudnant and rm -rf / quite literally
08:32 < enix> fucking hell
08:35 < humpaxx> enix: Just write them again
08:37 < enix> im doing the rest from home
08:37 < enix> yeah I am
08:37 < enix> cya all
08:41 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7iU0GGVco8
08:41 < EggplantsAreYum> dank af
08:42 < MillerBOSS> lol
08:43 < MillerBOSS> > cryptic1, I am not a bot, I am really a nice girl.
08:44 < MillerBOSS> But in my eyes cryptic1 you are still a bot
08:47 < humpaxx> Do you guys drink that last part of the coffee? the one thats just above hot enough not to be undrinkable
08:47 < humpaxx> that last mouthful
08:49 < humpaxx> MillerBOSS: Lol what a blast
08:49 < MillerBOSS> No coffee here
08:49 < humpaxx> Only joltcola
08:50 < MillerBOSS> Mostly water and some pop here or there
08:51 < EggplantsAreYum> mostly nix admins here or ms?
08:51 < MillerBOSS> Mix
08:51 < EggplantsAreYum> ah
08:51 < MillerBOSS> :)
08:51 < EggplantsAreYum> I smoke mix aswell, what about the question?
08:51 < EggplantsAreYum> ;)
08:52 < EggplantsAreYum> Anyone here using N-central?
08:52 < EggplantsAreYum> In the MSP space
09:31 < MaxLeiter> so asked before but cant really see replies - does anyone see a security issue with uploading files on a non-reverse proxied server?
09:31 < MaxLeiter> as in, links being shared from a VPS thats just port-forwarded or something, no nginx
09:38 < slamanna0212212> Hello. I have an issue with docker and i have no idea who to turn to or where to even start
09:38 < slamanna0212212> my docker containers cant resolve host names, most of the time
09:38 < slamanna0212212> every so often they get a good request
09:38 < slamanna0212212> but it takes forever
09:45 < MillerBOSS> Dun dun dun http://freenode.net/news/security-update-rpa
09:59 < monoxane> nice one freenode
10:21 < humpaxx> 7 hours until the weekend starts
11:03 < ceofreak> Ihre?
11:05 < ceofreak> Is anyone working with linux in a mainly windows shop?
11:05 < ceofreak> Need to find a good distro for that
11:18 < gavit> is it possible to set a openvpn client up on pfsense (not the server)
11:22 < niklasye> ceofreak what requirements do you have? how do you need to interact with these windows systems?
11:22 < ceofreak> administrate them
11:22 < ceofreak> But I guess
11:22 < niklasye> most distros can do the same thing, but they differ in installation procedure and package management
11:23 < niklasye> ceofreak and what do you use to administrate them?
11:24 < ceofreak> mainly RDP
11:24 < ceofreak> to connect to windows servers
11:24 < ceofreak> the rest I can work around in linux i guess
11:24 < ceofreak> Most stuff is web based anyway
11:24 < ceofreak> or console
11:24 < niklasye> then I think any distro should be fine, whatever feels right for you
11:24 < ceofreak> I'd prefer something debian based as I am familiar with it
11:25 < ceofreak> probably mint
11:25 < niklasye> ubuntu is pretty easy to get started with and is well supported, mint should be equally easy
11:25 < ceofreak> I don't like ubuntu
11:26 < ceofreak> don't know why
11:26 < ceofreak> just feels wrong
11:26 < niklasye> i use ubuntu at work, but mostly because they make their own distro
11:26 < niklasye> you mean the UI they use?
11:26 < ceofreak> yeah
11:26 < ceofreak> I guess
11:26 < ceofreak> I just dont like the feel of it
11:26 < niklasye> I just install i3 anyway :)
11:26 < ceofreak> I know I can use a different desktop envirnoment
11:26 < ceofreak> what's that?
11:27 < niklasye> a tiling window manager
11:27 < niklasye> I really like it
11:28 < niklasye> but yeah, if mint feels better go for it, there is no reason why it wouldn't work just as well as ubuntu
11:28 < ceofreak> I see
11:28 < ceofreak> thanks!
11:29 < niklasye> if software have support for ubuntu that usually means it supports mint as well since it's based on ubuntu
11:53 < humpaxx> Does anyone here know of a wiki that lets you paste images in the WYSIWYG editor?
11:56 < monoxane> Phabricator's wiki does that
11:56 < monoxane> but it comes with phabricator
12:58 < humpaxx> I am in need of help, Im setting up some stuff on a VP´s laptop (a Mac running OSX High sierra) and for some reason i can´t create an alias on the desktop pointing to a network share
12:59 < humpaxx> I am not a "Mac person"
13:02 < humpaxx> Ok so i was able to create an alias for a folder inside a share.
13:07 < humpaxx> I like docker
13:18 < estranger> Party time
13:42 < ceofreak> Nice weekend everyone
13:44 < Katnip> hot
13:51 <+giant_it_burrit> stupid rds. why dont you work on linux!!!
13:52 < estranger> Going to be freaking hot
13:56 < m4221> Hey
13:57 < m4221> %user% on the 1st login attempt gets "windows cannot connect to the system event notification service" but does not get it on the 2nd attempt.  Thoughts? Antivirus?
14:00 < m4221> I have reset the winsock
14:03 < humpaxx> We have a new phone system now
14:03 < m4221> humpaxx: vonage business?
14:04 < humpaxx> Cloud-something with a mobile app and a softphone app for the PC
14:04 < humpaxx> m4221: Dunno, The app is called SolunoBC
14:05 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: Whats the problem?
14:05 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: so if you go to our web access for rds on a windows box you get an rdp file. that make the connection to the gateway which drops you onto one of the session hosts
14:06 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: however with linux so far, you have to use remmina to open the file
14:06 <+giant_it_burrit> ok fine
14:06 <+giant_it_burrit> but then it dumps you onto the gateway and not a session host
14:07 < humpaxx> Wait it RDPs to the session host?
14:08 <+giant_it_burrit> windows make the connection to a session host with the file as expected. linux with remmina connects to the gateway
14:08 <+giant_it_burrit> gateway machine is not set as a session host
14:09 <+giant_it_burrit> linux winds up with a session on the gateway and not one of the hosts
14:09 <+giant_it_burrit> which is odd
14:11 < enix> Stupid question; but if I reissue a ssl certificate does it invalidate my current certificate
14:16 <+giant_it_burrit> dont believe so
14:16 <+giant_it_burrit> but you should revoke the old one on the ca
14:16 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: any thoughts?
14:17 < enix> How would the client know if it's revoked on the ca though?
14:18 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: Sounds weird, but i did some googling and found this; https://blog.gpunktschmitz.com/1076-using-remote-desktop-gateway-with-remmina
14:18 < humpaxx> What version of remmina are you using?
14:19 < Nightcinder> hmmmmmm
14:19 < Nightcinder> exchange content index corrupted, i deleted and it was crawling again properly
14:19 < Nightcinder> come in this morning, corrupted again
14:19 < humpaxx> Nightcinder: could it be a RAM issue? DNS sounds far fetched
14:19 < Nightcinder> don't think it has anything to do with RAM
14:20 < humpaxx> Or a failing drive?
14:20 < Nightcinder> it's a vm
14:20 < Nightcinder> there was only 860mb left on C and 2.26GB left on the exchange database
14:20 < Nightcinder> that might've had something to do with it
14:21 < Nightcinder> i freed up 8gb on C and gave the database 160GB more space
14:21 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: 1.1.2-3ubuntu1
14:23 < MikeSpears> Nightcinder: that's not good
14:24 < enix> ah wel doesn't matter. I guess I'll know in the morning if the CA's have issues in chrome
14:24 < enix> Night all
14:24 < Nightcinder> yeah now i'm getting failed an internal error occured for the database or its index
14:25 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: Well theres your problem
14:25 < Nightcinder> oh we're back to 'unknown' which means it's gonna try crawling in a minute
14:27 < bmurt> hmm. what's up little dick cryptic1
14:28 < bmurt> i saw a drinking straw the other day and it made me think of you, needledick
14:28 < bmurt> also did you and your cousin finally get that divorce now that you two guys found out you were related
14:30 <@Code_Man65> Rejoice for Friday has arrived
14:34 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: ?
14:39 < Nightcinder> bmurt: he's giuliani?
14:41 < bmurt> heh
14:41 < bmurt> he's a john podesta
14:42 < MadCamel> It's that time again
14:43  * giant_it_burrit prods humpaxx 
14:43 < MadCamel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWf83UX4vKs
14:43 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: wut
14:43 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: you said there is your problem and then didnt say anything
14:44 < humpaxx> RDS Gateway support in Remmita if you add their PPA and install the preRelease
14:44 < humpaxx> support for Remote Desktop Gateway was added in version 1.2.0
14:45 < MikeSeth> well then
14:45 < humpaxx> Well well well
14:46  * MikeSeth lazily configured URL filtering in pfsense
14:46 < Jekotia> As of 1803, is there a known-working way to disable the automatic installation of crap like Candy Crush? All I can find on Google are methods that no longer work :/
14:46 < kaipee> anyone aware of any good Linux Academy deals?
14:46 < humpaxx> MikeSeth: but does it work with  HTTPS?
14:47 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: it will, create an interception cert, distribute it to trust stores via GPO
14:47 < MikeSeth> a bit pain to setup
14:47 < MikeSeth> but works
14:47 < MikeSeth> at least the documentation claims it does
14:50 < humpaxx> Jekotia: Sadly as far as i know you´d have to go with Win10 Enterprise for that "feature"
14:51 < ny0x> I hate when a vendor says they will do something. Then they're like "sorry thats out of scope" 2 months later.
14:52 < humpaxx> I Ran a powershell script with the get-appxpackage, piped that to a Select-object and selected objects that were not made my microsft, and then piped that to remove-appxpackage
14:52 < Jekotia> humpaxx: (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
14:54 < Jekotia> humpaxx: Sadly that would not work for this. We're domainless, since no one will budget for it, so I'm doing the poor-mans manually-distribute-GPO-and-scripts-for-initial-configuration to make our windows systems remotely manageable
14:54 < MadCamel> what you can do, and hear me out on this.. is use windows vista.
14:54 < humpaxx> "Get a mac"
14:54 <@Code_Man65> Jekotia:  Are you using o365?
14:54 < Jekotia> Code_Man65: Nooooooop
14:54 < ny0x> Code_Man65, how would you do that with o365?
14:55 <@Code_Man65> Azure AD
14:55 < Jekotia> Take everything that would be ideal, and assume we don't have it <_<
14:55 <@Code_Man65> Win10 can join via AzureAD
14:55 < Nightcinder> i feel like there should be more info here https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kcHqTkvn/image.png
14:55 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: Clicking that killed Vivaldi, somehow
14:56 < Nightcinder> wtf is vivaldi
14:56 < humpaxx> Never heard of her
14:56 <@Code_Man65> Regardless, you are causing yourself more trouble than its worth Jekotia.  The stuff is going to show up everytime a new feature update installs and you won't be able to control that.  So attempting to remove it is pointless.
14:56 < Jekotia> Browser from the old Opera team
14:56 < MadCamel> just a thought that might make your life easier.. you could install chef-client or some other configuration management system on all the machines, then you could update them easily from a central location etc instead of anything manual
14:57 < Jekotia> MadCamel: Still manual the first time around tho.
14:57 < MadCamel> yeah but just once :)
14:57 < Jekotia> Same with what I'm doing now
14:57 < Jekotia> Once I do the initial stuff, I can remotely manage and reconfigure as needed
14:58 < Jekotia> The main thing I'm addressing with this first round is not having remote execution capabilities on 98% of the computers here
14:58 < Jekotia> Going the GPO route so that I can configure the firewall with GPO instead of the local rules
14:59 < Jekotia> We already have a consistent Administrator account on every machine
14:59 <@Code_Man65> Jekotia: Honestly, you (and everyone else worrying about that stuff) are wasting cycles worrying about it.  If people launch those apps and it interferes with their work that is a people issue, not a technology issue.
15:00 <@Code_Man65> And solving people problems with a technology solution isn't a smart idea
15:00 < Jekotia> Code_Man65: It's not even that. I just despise the auto-install of pointless garbage
15:00 < Jekotia> That's literally it
15:00 <@Code_Man65> DGAF
15:01 < Jekotia> I'm a neurotic autist. You have no idea how hard it is to NGAF
15:01 < humpaxx> Technically its not installed
15:01 <@Code_Man65> Suggested apps are going to come back, you don't have the pieces in place to prevent it
15:01 < humpaxx> its just "stubbs" that when you click on installs it
15:01 <@Code_Man65> Yep, it doesn't install until people click on it
15:01 <@Code_Man65> It's basically an ad
15:02 < Jekotia> Are you guys sure? Some of them have an "Uninstall"" options, some don't. This had lead me to believe that some are installed and some are ads
15:02 <@Code_Man65> Worry about more important things, like why a company with more then 10 users doesn't have a fucking domain.
15:02 < Jekotia> Code_Man65: Because no one here likes to part with money <_<
15:02 <@Code_Man65> It's a fucking tax write-off
15:03 < Jekotia> Although to be fair, this is also a pretty tight year for budgeting. We have to replace some of our major machinery
15:03 <@Code_Man65> Then move to a better company.  Because fuck manual bullshit like that.
15:04 < Sousapro> ++
15:04 < Jekotia> I wish that was a viable option for me, but it's not
15:05 < Jekotia> My only IT experience is self-teaching and this job I lucked into. No formal education.
15:05 < Sousapro> Not having a domain means you 100 percent accept Microsoft treating you like a regular consumer
15:05 < Sousapro> You can try to be clever bit every update will screw you over
15:05 <@Code_Man65> Jekotia:  And?  Experience trumps education.  Try, worst they can say is yes.
15:05 < McDonaldsWiFi> happy --r--r--r friday folks
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> also, this is my last day at my current job!
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> After today I will be an official sysadmin
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> pls clap
15:06 < Sousapro> Congrats
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> hey ty, but i asked you to clap
15:06  * Sousapro gives McDonaldsWiFi the clap
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> awww yissss
15:06 < McDonaldsWiFi> dats the good shit
15:06 < Jekotia> McDonaldsWiFi: I'm not sure I get the joke. Is it supposed to be like chmod perm 555?
15:06 <@Code_Man65> I don't have a degree or any extensive formal training and am just shy of pulling down 100k/year.
15:07 < estranger> Jekotia, READ ONLY friday
15:07 < Sousapro> Chmod 666
15:07 < Jekotia> That sounds about right then
15:07 < McDonaldsWiFi> Jekotia: yeah its read only friday :D
15:07 < xe0n> i denied a vendor making changes today, rof.
15:07 < estranger> xe0n, well done sir
15:07 < Jekotia> The factory workers leave at noon on Fridays, giving me an afternoon to research and develop improvements for this place
15:08 < estranger> lots of half days going on today
15:08 < Sousapro> Jekotia: if they aren't able to get domain services, work there for a year total and then start looking
15:08 < estranger> plus its hot as balls
15:08 < Casteil> will probably be a half day for me too
15:08 < Casteil> I think I'm already at like 38 hours for the week
15:08 <@Code_Man65> And if you have already been there for a year, polish up the resume and move on.
15:08 < Sousapro> Jekotia: get that experience and then move on
15:08 < estranger> i had a 3 hour meeting this afternoon cancelled \o/
15:08 <@cryptic1> morning
15:08 <@Code_Man65> You aren't doing yourself ANY favors staying there
15:09 < xe0n> im in the middle of an erp implementation, and pfft talk about getting some important requirements just before go live. would;ve been nice to be told at the start of the project loll
15:09 < Sousapro> lol that crap is the worst
15:09 <@Code_Man65> xe0n:  We just finished a 6 month long ERP upgrade project at the end of last month.
15:09 < estranger> erp migrations are a barrel full of fun
15:10 < xe0n> Code_Man65: how'd you go?
15:10 < Sousapro> s/fun/cordiceps fungus
15:10 <@Code_Man65> Smooth as silk due to proper planning
15:10 < xe0n> niiice
15:11 <@Code_Man65> I was only on the outskirts of it thankfully but one of my team members was deep in the middle of it.
15:11 < xe0n> i should be able to sort out what they want, but man cutting it tight.
15:12 < Sousapro> I'm a big believer that once you are more than halfway in, anything bigger than a text change makes it into v2
15:13 < Sousapro> I know that isn't realistic when you aren't setting your requirements but asking for last minute stuff is amateur hour
15:13 < xe0n> indian consultants...
15:13 < xe0n> sorry im not racist, but man they assume a lot...
15:14 < humpaxx> xe0n: If its not in the product specifications its not going to be implemented?
15:15 < xe0n> im getting the feeling they;re trying to retrofit the new erp system to work like the old system..
15:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> the phrase "erp system" gives me a headache
15:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> because they are always headaches
15:17 < xe0n> consultants come in, business describes how they current work, and probably dont want to change how they work, and consultants go mmm well this new system doesnt really work like that, but we could probably bork it to do so... and because it;s in the cloud, the old legacy stuff thats on-prem that i keep alive can be emulated without getting him involved.
15:17 < xe0n> errrrr wrong answer
15:18 <@Code_Man65> I hate it that so many companies customize the shit out of erp
15:18 < abakedapplepie> ^
15:18 < abakedapplepie> blame the erp salespeople though
15:18 <@Code_Man65> Fix your processes so you don't have to do shit like that.  It will make life easier later.
15:18 < abakedapplepie> "so can your product do x?" "OH OF COUUUUURSE IT CAN!!!"
15:19 < xe0n> oh yeah, erp the slut of software, pay her to do anything you like...
15:21 < xe0n> you'll like this one
15:21 < xe0n> they asked me to create a catch all mailbox with 300 odd SMTP addresses. i'm like riiiiight, what's the deal? Oh well we then need you to make it so when mail comes in to a particular address, it prepends a unique code and name to the subject line.
15:22 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:22 < abakedapplepie> awesome
15:22 < abakedapplepie> let me get right on that
15:22 < xe0n> i laughed
15:22 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck use case did someone concoct for that bullshit storm
15:23 < xe0n> wait it gets better
15:23 <@cryptic1> Code_Man65, thats all one guy here does is write custom ERP all day every day
15:23 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: it's collecting your dns query history
15:23 <@cryptic1> people walk up to him daily asking for changes
15:23 < xe0n> it the needs to redirect to the oracle erp mailbox
15:23 < xe0n> loll
15:24 < xe0n> i'm like soo 300 transport rules? we're in office 365... there is a limit, and we already have enough in there
15:24 < abakedapplepie> i feel like ERP customizations quickly turn into a house of cards
15:24 < xe0n> now technically, i could probably get around that since we do run a hybrid, but the bozo before me didn't set the mailflow to the hybrid box, instead straight to 365
15:24 < xe0n> i have 2000 users, i cant go pissing around with mailbox for a stupid reason.
15:25 < xe0n> mail flow*
15:25 < xe0n> im high so bare with me...
15:25 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:25 < abakedapplepie> whats office 365's transport rule limit
15:25 < abakedapplepie> also just set up a terminal server with 300 sessions of outlook running
15:25 < ekaj_> reeeee
15:26 < abakedapplepie> and 300 mailboxes
15:26 < Jekotia> Why do people think it's acceptable to try and coerce IT into allowing them to bring their own personal PC from home to use instead of their given workstation? <_<
15:26 < abakedapplepie> ;)
15:26 < xe0n> transport rule limit is 300 lolll
15:26 < abakedapplepie> Jekotia: who would possibly want to do that and why
15:26 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: An idiot. Because idiot.
15:27 <@JollyRgrs> Jekotia: b/c BYOD is a thing
15:27 < Jekotia> "Well my current computer isn't working properly" No, it is. You just fail at following directions
15:27 <@JollyRgrs> "oh i thought that was everywhere now"
15:27 < abakedapplepie> but.. workstation?
15:27 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:27 < abakedapplepie> byod is a phone ffs
15:27 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: SMB, sometimes it means laptop, too
15:27 < abakedapplepie> whats wrong with his computer Jekotia
15:27 < Jekotia> abakedapplepie: Nothing!
15:28 < abakedapplepie> well what directions are he failing at
15:28 < Jekotia> He copies images from the web into excel. And I don't mean right+clifck -> copy image
15:28 < Jekotia> he highlights and copies. bring javascript with it
15:28 < Jekotia> Then the JS scrashes his print drivers when he tries to print the spreadsheet
15:28 <@JollyRgrs> hahahaha
15:28 < abakedapplepie> why is he copying images from the internet into excel
15:29 < Jekotia> His english is awful. I really don't know why.
15:29 < Jekotia> Something to do with invoice layouts
15:29 < abakedapplepie> ...
15:29 < abakedapplepie> is this the same image he is copying, over and over
15:29 < abakedapplepie> into a template of sorts
15:29 < Jekotia> No
15:29 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:30 < Jekotia> It's a confusing mess that works and he retires in a few months, so fuck it, I'm not teaching a pre-historic dog new tricks
15:31 < abakedapplepie> whatever it is it should have been automated years ago
15:31 < MikeSeth> can you guys please flush the ban *!*@unaffiliated/mikeseth
15:31 < MikeSeth> I dunno why it's there
15:31 <@JollyRgrs> MikeSeth: you are in here....
15:31 < Jekotia> MikeSeth: Sounds like ban evasion
15:31 <@JollyRgrs> so there is no ban?
15:31 <@JollyRgrs> oh, i guess there is one
15:31 < MikeSeth> JollyRgrs: not authenticated
15:31 < abakedapplepie> lmfao gencade got banned
15:31 < abakedapplepie> thats rich
15:32 < MikeSeth> the other client is
15:32 < JFDkthx> good riddance
15:32 < JFDkthx> imo
15:32 < voice> figures, I get +v and the server running my bnc gets shutdown due to a cascading hvac failure at the dc hosting it
15:32 < JFDkthx> dont worry im sure you'll get it again before DomLS3 does
15:33 < JFDkthx> rightly so
15:33 < JFDkthx> too
15:43 < alazare619> so got a chance to play with my steam controller last night
15:43 < alazare619> its definetly a diffrent experience playing with it
15:43 < alazare619> have to kinda unlearn everything i know about controllers
15:44 < estranger> im waiting for the Knuckles controller
15:46 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: but do you know de wai?
15:46 < estranger> lol
15:46 <@JollyRgrs> alazare619: but worth it? or rather just use xbox/ds4?
15:46 < alazare619> depends on the game
15:46 < alazare619> games not designed for a controller its pretty good on
15:47 < alazare619> even rocket league it was good on
15:47 < darkscrypt> what is the ds4?
15:47 < darkscrypt> typo for ps4? or something else?
15:47 < alazare619> i was trying out saints row the 3rd its kinda wonky
15:47 < MadCamel> ooooo. cascading hvac failure. my favorite. Once had that happen because someone got on to the roof of the building and stole the cables running to the hvac units for the aluminum/copper.
15:47 < ravioli> darkscrypt: dreamcast 2
15:47 < darkscrypt> lol
15:48 < alazare619> like for fortnite or realm royale id rather have 2 joysticks
15:48 < MadCamel> I'd buy the dreamcast2 for sure
15:48 < estranger> Dual Shock 4
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: dual....
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, what he said
15:48 < estranger> whichi s the PS4 controller
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> basically ^
15:48 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: stop talking so fast!
15:48 < estranger> catch up
15:48 < alazare619> but i will say on rocket league i found the steam controller far better
15:48 < darkscrypt> dual shock 4.
15:48 < darkscrypt> gotcha.
15:48 < alazare619> i can free look better more precise
15:48 < darkscrypt> i play with an xbox one controller on rocket league
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> eww
15:49 < alazare619> that little track pad i just put my finger where i want to look
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> i can't do xbox controller
15:49 < darkscrypt> i'm an xbox one gamer lol
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> i did at first
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> i just didn't like it
15:49 < darkscrypt> just feels so natural
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> but i've never liked xbox controllers
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> just feel weird
15:49 < alazare619> the xbone controller is like that thicc chick
15:49 <@JollyRgrs> #anythingsadildo alazare619
15:49 < GlowingPineapple> steam controller is super weird. Its cool but if you're only getting 1 controller def. get a dual shock/Xbox controller
15:50 < ravioli> xbox controller is best controller
15:50 < alazare619> the ds4 is that fine model
15:50 < darkscrypt> feels weird with a ds4 controller for me.. its so light weight.. its like.. not even there
15:50 < darkscrypt> lol. its so fragile... it cant take my heavy button mashing
15:50 < alazare619> GlowingPineapple:  it is
15:50 < darkscrypt> and then it wants you to shake it to get that sticky grenade off you
15:50 < alazare619> GlowingPineapple: i like it tho like i was playing tera, and other games with it and it was pretty good
15:51 < alazare619> GlowingPineapple: i wish they would of added 2 joysticks tho
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: xbox controller can't take my heavy-thumbed steering
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> the rubber knob fell apart
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> ds34/ds4? no issue
15:51 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: those rubber knobs have been issues. i've actually replaced mine a couple times.
15:51 <@ravioli> what driving game, JollyRgrs?
15:51 < darkscrypt> i've had the xbox one elite controller fall apart on me tbh..
15:51 < humpaxx> RocketLeague
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> however, the socket the stick pokes out of on my ds3... was no longer a circle, but more like an eliptical shape
15:51 <@JollyRgrs> ravioli: RL
15:52 <@ravioli> ah
15:52 <@ravioli> should have known
15:52 < darkscrypt> i like the controllers but the things are lemons
15:52 < hxcsp> i should try a controller for RL
15:52 < hxcsp> maybe i wouldnt suck so bad
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp...
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> u funny
15:52 < a_> Do you have a Discord channel ?
15:52 < hxcsp> lol
15:52 < humpaxx> hxcsp: You´re a KB+M pleb?
15:52 < hxcsp> yes
15:52 < hxcsp> i dont play Rl very often
15:52 < GlowingPineapple> if it had 2 joysticks it would be perfect. the touch pad is great for some games but just awful for others
15:52 < darkscrypt> i've known a lot of people who play rl very very well with kbm
15:52 <@JollyRgrs> depends on who a_ is :P
15:53 < darkscrypt> a is gencade
15:53 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: there is at least 1 pro
15:53 < humpaxx> JollyRgrs: Kronovi?
15:53 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: you ever watch the rl tournaments on twich?
15:53 <@JollyRgrs> humpaxx: no, not him
15:53 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: the way those guys move is fucking insane to me.. in human
15:53 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: heck yes
15:54  * hxcsp just imagined JollyRgrs as Napoleon Dynamite
15:54 < darkscrypt> I then go to play rocket league, turn on some good music that makes me feel like i should be winning.. and then i start losing... the music doesn't match up to the vibes.... so i turn it off
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: GOSH!
15:54 < darkscrypt> EAT YOUR HAM
15:54 < Nightcinder> "Amazon has recently gotten into voice-controlled TVs, and Nowak thinks that more screen-oriented options could “accelerate voice commerce.” Only a small portion of those who use voice assistants employ them for shopping. "
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: hahaha
15:54 <@JollyRgrs> playing theme from rocky?
15:54 < Nightcinder> i don't get why investors would think people want to voice shop
15:54 < Nightcinder> it doesn't make sense
15:54 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: usually listening to monstercat radio or something like that on spotify
15:55 < Nightcinder> why would i shop with alexa when i could just..shop with my phone
15:55 < darkscrypt> know what's funny? my girlfriend and I bought a dildo on amazon once, because she was too embarassed to go into an adult store...
15:55 < darkscrypt> then for weeks after the purchase, every advertisement that came up on her work computer was about dildos.
15:55 < hxcsp> lmao
15:55 < darkscrypt> and she didn't even order it on that computer. it was her home pc
15:55 < Nightcinder> gg
15:56 < Nightcinder> was she logged into chrome/firefox/amazon on those pc's?
15:56 < Nightcinder> the same login
15:56 < humpaxx> Maybe she logged into the game google acct
15:56 < darkscrypt> no.
15:56 < JFDkthx> ^
15:56 < humpaxx> Damn Nightcinder beat me to it
15:56 < hxcsp> it was skynet
15:56 < darkscrypt> not same google account. it was my pc we bought it from but with her account
15:56 < JFDkthx> my guess would be google acct
15:56 < darkscrypt> but it was her amazon account. and then later her amazon account must have been signed in at work
15:56 < humpaxx> darkscrypt: clearly she´s using your account at her work
15:56 < hxcsp> darkscrypt: what you dont know is she was looking at it behind your back for a while
15:56 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: hahahahaha
15:56 < hxcsp> and not just that one time
15:57 < darkscrypt> that was a year ago. i bought some stuff againr ecently from amazon on my account and i've had no advertisements or purchase suggestions relating to those dark purchases
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: next time just dress her up in a "costume" and drag her into the shop "no one will know it is you, babe, they'd never expect you are in the leather straps"
15:57 < darkscrypt> so I think amazon may have fixed that issue
15:58 < humpaxx> For some reason whenver i browse porn sites theres a lot of pop-ups and people wanting to chat with me.. Its like they KNOW im busy
15:58 < darkscrypt> humpaxx: LOL.
15:58 <@JollyRgrs> HAHAHA
15:58 < darkscrypt> want to bang some old woman who is ON YOUR STREET?
15:58 < Nightcinder> darkscrypt: my gf's sent me wedding rings
15:58 < darkscrypt> how the hell did you know she is on my street? thats old lady helga!
15:58 < Nightcinder> i opened one on my phone
15:58 < Nightcinder> every android ad has been kays jewelers now
15:58 <@JollyRgrs> "website suggestion: pls include on-screen keyboard for your chats, it is hard having only one hand to try and type AND use the mouse at the same time"
15:58 < estranger> Nightcinder, yer screwed
15:58 < darkscrypt> on the ninth day of christmas my true love sent to me...
15:59 < darkscrypt> marriage.
15:59 <+giant_it_burrit> mistiry:  id like to nominate for humpaxx  for voice
15:59 <+giant_it_burrit> was actually helpful
15:59 < darkscrypt> estranger: screwed... yeah.. that happens when you get married... lots of getting screwed
15:59 < GreyKite> Yup, started looking for motorcycle, all ads ever for motorcycle equipment, insurance etc
15:59 < darkscrypt> kind of the point.
16:00 < GreyKite> it's like it forgot everything else?
16:00 < estranger> darkscrypt, yeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah........ yer in for a surprise :)
16:00 < darkscrypt> it was funny, she would be at work (her desk was like publicly facing) and then she would go to like company related webpages that had advertisements in them.. and they would be about dildos, vibrators, fuzzy handcuffs.... etc
16:00 < humpaxx> GreyKite: Motorcycles is love, motorcycles is life
16:00 < GreyKite> humpaxx: I love two wheels
16:01 < darkscrypt> and she was supppper shy and conservative.
16:01 < darkscrypt> so like... i just picture how embarassed she was and her face being red.
16:01 < estranger> she work for adam and eve or something?
16:01 < GreyKite> humpaxx: you ride?
16:01 < darkscrypt> estranger: no she bought a dildo on amazon because she was too nervous to buy it in real life with me.
16:02 < humpaxx> GreyKite: No but i like the posters with motorcycles and scadly clad women
16:02 < darkscrypt> estranger: then all the targeted advertisements started happening on her work computer (even though she bought it from my desktop at my house)
16:02 < humpaxx> occasinally not clad at all
16:02 < GreyKite> humpaxx: I recently started riding and I don't think I"m ever gonna stop
16:02 < technonerd> Logged into Google at work?
16:03 < humpaxx> GreyKite: Thats what darkscrypt ´s SO said
16:03 < darkscrypt> possibly. but it was a different account.
16:03 < technonerd> Or fuckbook
16:03 < estranger> darkscrypt, ohhh gotcha
16:04 < darkscrypt> i think it was just amazon that did it. we were logged onto chrome on my google account, not hers. and then it happened on her computer at work. I think it may have just been that she visited amazon.com, all the suggestions came up after she logged in, and then somehow the tracking data propagated to other sites
16:05 < Holo> darkscrypt aye
16:06 < Holo> they stalk you throughout the internet
16:06 < darkscrypt> holo the wise wolf?
16:06 < alazare619> felda you see the netgate-sg3100?
16:06 < Holo> perhapse
16:06 < darkscrypt> and yes they do stalk quite a bit
16:07 < Holo> I like what apple has been doing with safari
16:08 < GreyKite> Holo: yea?
16:09 < Holo> GreyKite, they are blocking trackers and now social widget tracking
16:09 < Holo> making your online fingerprint generic
16:09 < technonerd> Brave can do that too
16:09 < GreyKite> Holo: I mean, I've been running tracker blockers for years
16:09 < Holo> GreyKite ya but this shit is built in and it does a better job
16:10 < GreyKite> Holo: how so?
16:10 < Holo> in theory it should catch the new things as well
16:10 < Holo> instead of needing a blacklist
16:10 < GreyKite> Holo: how does it do that?
16:11 < Holo> GreyKite with the latest fad
16:11 < Holo> neural networking Ai stuff
16:11 < GreyKite> AI or machine learning?
16:11 < GreyKite> got it
16:11 < alazare619> lmao
16:12 < Holo> thus in theory its far better as it will go hmmmm.... that looks like a trackr
16:12 < alazare619> someone uploaded every reading rainbow episode ever
16:12 < alazare619> onto usenet
16:12 < Holo> alazare619 omg, that is amazing
16:12 < alazare619> side note bill nye has a new show
16:12 < alazare619> called bill nye saves the planet
16:12 < Nightcinder> BILL BILL BILL BILLBILL
16:12 < Nightcinder> BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY
16:13 < Nightcinder> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a730vEbqpSo
16:13 < AnimalFarmPig> <alazare619> someone uploaded every reading rainbow episode ever   <----- awesome. I have a two year old. Will download.
16:13 < alazare619> in like the first episode he goes some of you may remember me...i had a show for kids...well now most of oyu kids are adults...so now i have a show for you etc...etc..
16:13 < Nightcinder> oh it's a netflix original
16:14 < alazare619> Nightcinder: its actually really good
16:14 < Nightcinder> ye maybe i try it tonight
16:14 < alazare619> like some of the stuff is rather interesting had an episode on actual engineering and if full renewable energy is possible
16:14 < Nightcinder> bill bill bill bill bill
16:14 < darkscrypt> alazare619: i tried watching it... i can't stand it... and the thing is , i politically agree with him
16:15 < alazare619> the gender episode threw me some
16:15 < darkscrypt> alazare619: he loses my respect with how disrespectful he is to the opposing views he brings in. like, it would be better if he didn't bring them in at all
16:15 < alazare619> but i'm like 9 episodes in and so far so good
16:15 < Holo> I hope DoH takes as dnscrypt is not
16:15 < darkscrypt> dnscrypt looks like my name every time i see it lol
16:16 < alazare619> darkscrypt: while i agree some of the guests are...ignorant
16:16 < rpifan> sigh unemployment is a pain in the ass
16:16 < alazare619> like ffs bill get neil degraise tyson on the show
16:16 < alazare619> or someone who fucking knows what they are talking about
16:16 < ebol4> brotherman bill
16:16 < darkscrypt> alazare619: my point exactly... he is intentionally bringing in ignorant people to straw man the entire argument
16:16 < darkscrypt> alazare619: he gets to select who he brings in
16:17 < alazare619> yea 9/10 of the subjects so far i've agreed on
16:17 < alazare619> the one..that just pissed me off tho is the gender one
16:17 < darkscrypt> alazare619: i've agreed on most of the ones i saw as well. i just disagree with his tactic
16:17 < AnimalFarmPig> is it some kind of polemic or debate show?
16:17 < alazare619> particulary hte word because gender there are 2
16:17 < alazare619> sexuality you can have as many as you want
16:17 < alazare619> but gender is defined as there is only 2 male or female
16:18 < Holo> darkscrypt, the sad thing is that most people will not see the straw man tatic
16:18 < alazare619> gender = genitialia...
16:18 < ebol4> we really gonna have this discussion in here
16:18 < darkscrypt> no we aren't.
16:18 < GreyKite> I like futa, not fupa :D
16:18 < AnimalFarmPig> I would rather watch science programming in a divulgational style as pioneered by Capt. Jacque-Yves Cousteau than some stupid debate or polemic style
16:18 < darkscrypt> client == male server == female
16:18 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: think of it as cross fire with bill mahar (sp?) but instead of him its bill nye (he does have experiments and stuff still as well)
16:18 < ebol4> GreyKite: yeaaaaah babey
16:18 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: that sounds awful
16:18 < MadCamel> eh that's just semantics vs nomenclature though. the meaning is clear even if words are being used incorrectly
16:18 < MadCamel> annoying though yeah
16:19 < darkscrypt> i gtg and get some work done though. you guys are distracting me
16:19 < alazare619> the show itself is good..but his "guest panel" segment is...distasteful
16:19 < darkscrypt> alazare619: 100% agree.
16:19 < alazare619> id much rather someone who can argue be brought in
16:19 < GreyKite> ebol4: every time it starts going towards some boring topic like politics or social issues, I try to bring it back to our roots: porn
16:19 < alazare619> like ep 1 space exploration bill vs neil degrase
16:19 < darkscrypt> i'd rather he just provide some things you could research that help show the opposing viewpoint
16:19 < MadCamel> I once had a petabyte of porn.
16:20 <@ravioli> oi
16:20 < ebol4> just shoot bill nye out of a cannon into space
16:20 < GreyKite> MadCamel: I remember that, didn't you run motherless or something?
16:20 < MadCamel> Yeah
16:20 < int0x1C8> so
16:20 < GreyKite> Noice
16:20 < darkscrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yis7GzlXNM
16:20 < int0x1C8> PDQ deploy is pretty kickass
16:20 < GreyKite> int0x1C8: so I've heard
16:20 < estranger> Assuming everything else is the same... Is there a substantial performance difference from a single socket 16 core CPU vs dual socket 8 core CPUs?
16:20 < GreyKite> we use SCCM here
16:20 < darkscrypt> bill nye versus iisac newton
16:21 < darkscrypt> erb!
16:21 < alazare619> darkscrypt: what did you think of the anti vacer one
16:21 < alazare619> darkscrypt:  i'm still hoping theres a flat earther ep
16:21 < darkscrypt> can't remember it.
16:21 < alazare619> i have a friend who is a flat earther...
16:21 < Holo> estranger that would depend
16:21 < alazare619> i just wana punch him in the face...
16:21 < int0x1C8> and I convinced my boss to get us an enterprise license
16:22 < Holo> is the 16 core cpu more than maxing out the socket?
16:22 < int0x1C8> he said "$500 a year for just the one admin? thats cheap"
16:22 < GreyKite> alazare619: that's a deal breaker for me
16:22 < estranger> Holo, what do you mean?  like what the motherboard/backplanes can handle?
16:22 < darkscrypt> has anybody read astrophysics for people in a hurry?
16:22 < Holo> estranger ya, how much bandwith etc
16:23 < estranger> for this argument lets say we're not stressing the rest of the hardware in either case
16:23 < Holo> well with 2 cpus, you can do better heat dissipation
16:23 < alazare619> imo they should have bill do a show on awesome subjects like string theory
16:23 < alazare619> with explosions
16:23 < Holo> more surface area
16:23 < alazare619> and other shit
16:23 < estranger> is there more context switching or anything?
16:23 < Holo> but then again that one cpu might be fine
16:23 < alazare619> his cross fire segment just flat out sucks
16:23 < MadCamel> in most modern dual-socket setups there will not be a substantial difference. More than 2 sockets and you're heeading into numa land where there will likely be an impact.
16:23 < estranger> Holo, assuming enterprise level hardware.. top of the line everything
16:23 < estranger> ahh numa
16:23 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux on suicide watch https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/06/29/linux-distro-hacked-on-github-all-code-considered-compromised/
16:23 < alazare619> 20/30 of the minutes are awesome but i wana see the science guy explain string theory
16:23 < alazare619> or multiverses
16:24 < alazare619> or dimensions etc
16:24 < Holo> estranger not much of a difference
16:24 < int0x1C8> darkscrypt I'm an amateur astrophysicist/astronomer, what do you need
16:24 < alazare619> bill nye the theory guy
16:24 < technonerd> Github is just a mirror
16:24 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: depends on the workload and implementation details of CPU. With dual sockets, you may run into situtation where data is in cache on one CPU but not on the other.
16:24 < ebol4> the show is for the people that like the "i fucking love science" facebook page
16:24 < ebol4> they ain't gonna go into that
16:24 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: different CPU's have different ways of handling that
16:25 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, make sense
16:25 < estranger> *makes
16:25 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: same situation can apply within a single many core CPU, but usually latency penalty is smaller
16:25 < estranger> ok so yes there can be a noticeable difference
16:25 < AnimalFarmPig> in certain specific workloads
16:25 < hxcsp> ebol4: thats the best facebook page man
16:26 < Holo> AnimalFarmPig thats rather specific
16:26 < hxcsp> along with rick and morty memes
16:26 < int0x1C8> I 'helped' the astronomy dept at UW mad by developing some simple python code to run on small sets of the Kepler mission data
16:26 < AnimalFarmPig> Holo: yeah, exactly
16:26 < estranger> I have a feeling our workload would fall under the situations where mismatching caches etc would have an impact
16:26 < int0x1C8> back when it was still going and hadn't been processed yet
16:26 < Holo> estranger what are you doing on it?
16:26 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: look into how the CPU's you're looking at handle cache coherency
16:27 < int0x1C8> so I have ~500GB of raw sensor data from the Kepler satellite on my home PC
16:27 < estranger> Holo, high transaction/low latency DB
16:27 < JFDkthx> estranger: GARBAGE DAY
16:27 < estranger> LIES
16:27  * JFDkthx shoots estranger
16:27 < estranger> dont scare me like that
16:28 < darkscrypt> int0x1C8: we can talk more about that later :)
16:29 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: depending on how your software is architected (especially if it's designed to be a distributed system), there's a good chance the effect is minimal. If you have a budget or connections with vendors, see if you can get some hardware and run benchmarks
16:31 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, actually... you bring up a good point.  we went from SEDA to TPC for our architecture recently and I bet that makes a huge difference here.  now each thread is locked to a core so it would never have to go cross cache.
16:31 < estranger> with SEDA a core handles multiple threads and causes a lot more CS and could see more cache hit issues
16:32 < int0x1C8> the code I wrote would do a very quick scan of data and give certain signals an 'interesting' value
16:33 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, reason im asking this is a customer is delaying a decision because they want a 16 core server but all of their hardware supplied by central IT is dual socket and they are worried about the performance hit... just trying to gauge how big a deal this is, my gut said they are overreacting
16:34 < int0x1C8> nothing hardcore, but it was supposed to help the actual astronomy guys identify likely transit signals and put those through the actual software they used to analyze the light curves
16:34 < rpifan> icd 10 code
16:34 < AnimalFarmPig> knowing next to nothing about your specific software, workload, customer requirements, etc. my gut says they're overreacting as well. That they're this concerned about it shows that the decision maker is looking to maximize rather than satisfice. Maximizers always overreact.
16:35 < estranger> well its a big commitment to them for this purchase so I understand their caution
16:36 < AnimalFarmPig> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/science-choice/201506/satisficing-vs-maximizing
16:37 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, basically we're a distributed durable db that competes w/ in-memory DBs on performance. so we have a pretty unique workload id say
16:37 < int0x1C8> wtf, TIL satisficing is a word
16:37 < MadCamel> no sense in nitpicking unless there's going to be hundreds of servers, really. Even then reliability would be more important than tiny performance metrics
16:37 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, cool read
16:38 < Holo> estranger aka this is why HPE is having issues
16:38 < estranger> MadCamel, :) there would be 100s of servers and its all about performance metrics
16:38 < Holo> they make special dedicated hardware for guys who want to maximize
16:38 < int0x1C8> what are we talking about
16:38 < MadCamel> oh. Well then you should be doing benchmarks on test hardware not asking questions here :)
16:39 < estranger> MadCamel, we will be.. im just gathering info not looking for the answer.
16:39 < Holo> and the industry is moving to general hardware
16:39 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: thanks. I find it really useful to keep in mind. Because it's a distributed system, you engineers have already considered data locality in their design-- they have to in order to get good performance. Going dual CPU should be a non-issue.
16:39 < estranger> Holo, yes exactly.. you can now scale out on commodity hardware for cheap.. compared to specialized scale up architectures
16:39 < Holo> estranger indeed..... its why I love docker soo much
16:40 < Holo> I can scale my projects with minimal effort
16:40 < estranger> indeed
16:41 < estranger> MadCamel, basically just confirming my gut in that these people are overreacting.  we ALWAYS promote performance testing and have a whole suite of tools just for that
16:41 < int0x1C8> estranger is buying hardware?
16:41 < estranger> int0x1C8, hell no
16:41 < MadCamel> not going to run a big database in docker on generalized hardware though. I mean you could but something specialized with multiple nvm-e devices would do a lot better.
16:41 < estranger> int0x1C8, just trying to influence someone else buying hardware :)
16:41 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: Did you try the remote gateway with a newer version?
16:41 < Holo> MadCamel ya
16:41 < int0x1C8> oh
16:41 < estranger> MadCamel, you can run huge huge huge databases on genrealized hardware my friend ;)
16:42 < Holo> there still is exceptions but they are getting smaller and smaller
16:42 < int0x1C8> well whoever is buying I can build the best system for anything for $10,000
16:42 < estranger> int0x1C8, this is going to be 7 figures
16:42 < int0x1C8> and mine will be better
16:42 < estranger> lol
16:43 < estranger> running epic scale DBs on general hardware is exactly what we do
16:43 < MadCamel> estranger: then why are you being so careful choosing hardware to run the databases on? ;P For anything at large scale you can't beat specialized hand-picked hardware for cost/performance is what I'm trying to say.
16:44 < estranger> MadCamel, *I* am not the one being so careful.
16:44 < estranger> MadCamel, *I* am the one thinking they are overreacting, being too careful
16:44 < estranger> I was just confirming that dual socket vs single socket isnt as big a deal as these people are thinking
16:44 < estranger> MadCamel, i just a vendor, i dont buy anything
16:45 < MadCamel> nah it isn't a big deal, totally agree. I'm just on a tangent about scaling.
16:45 < AnimalFarmPig> for a seven figure project, it should be a small expense to do actual benchmarks on some sample hardware
16:46 < estranger> MadCamel, but i disagree about your cost/performance.  we replace huge specialized hardware all the time for much less cost.  but you ahve to rearchitect your apps to get that kind of scale
16:46 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, yup..we're on the same page :)
16:46 < abakedapplepie> me all this weekend https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkcFGDQsgTo
16:47 < AnimalFarmPig> MadCamel: a guy posted architecture for his fairly well trafficked web page on twitter the other day and it got picked up in /r/programming-- a single index.php file and a sqlite database
16:47 < int0x1C8> damnit, I hate the support calls that are like "my computer is running slow, can you come take a look at it?"
16:47 < int0x1C8> then I go and look, and its usable and fine, but they're like "see it takes forever to do this"
16:47 < AnimalFarmPig> MadCamel: /r/programming started going on a rant about scaling, but the guy gets ~1 million views a month and makes decent money on the site
16:47 < int0x1C8> forever in this case being 20 seconds
16:48 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, that would all fit into memory, could prob handle a decent amount really :)
16:48 < narziss> fffffffffff azure sql.
16:48 < narziss> why so slow.
16:48 < int0x1C8> wtf do they expect me to do about it? cast a spell that makes shit magically run faster
16:48 < narziss> why
16:48 < narziss> (this must be said here daily i bet)
16:48 < MadCamel> estranger: to give you an example of what I mean: diskless webservers. If you're pushing gobs of dynamic traffic with little static content and have a rack or two of webservers.. You wouldn't order them with fast raid arrays etc.
16:49 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: yeah, exactly. Designing with "scaling" in mind is one of the vices of modern software engineers
16:49 < Holo> int0x1C8 I tell them yes there is a magic spell I can cast but it costs $500
16:49 < MadCamel> Anyone with a brain in their head would just netboot them and spend the money saved on disks(plus calculated replacement costs in the future..) on extra CPU
16:49 < Holo> the magic spell is a SSD
16:49 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, you have to forget about all the shit you learned over the last few decades and change how you think.. its a hard transition for a lot of people to make
16:50 < int0x1C8> yeah thats my usual goto, just clone and swap for an SSD
16:50 < estranger> MadCamel, guess I am talking about the data layer specifically
16:50 < estranger> MadCamel, that's my bubble
16:51 < int0x1C8> but this person is here 6 days a week, 5am to 8pm, I keep asking when I could do it
16:51 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: that worked
16:51 <+giant_it_burrit> ty
16:51 < int0x1C8> they're like "can't be now, I have this and this and this ...." on and on
16:51 < int0x1C8> I can't fix it if you don't let me have the time to fix it
16:51 < Holo> int0x1C8 after some time you close the ticket as will not let me fix
16:51 < Holo> :P
16:52 < int0x1C8> we don't have a ticketing system
16:52 < Holo> EW
16:52 < Holo> EW
16:52 < int0x1C8> one of the best things about this job
16:52 < estranger> "persistence layer"
16:52 < Holo> how do you get things done
16:52 < Holo> :ss
16:52 < int0x1C8> by doing them?
16:52 < corn266> int0x1C8, why can't you come back outside of work hours??
16:52 < Holo> int0x1C8 you must be like the only guy there
16:52 < int0x1C8> corn266, I've tried, but everytime he's still here
16:53 < int0x1C8> it's me and my boss doing all IT stuff
16:53 < corn266> kill him and wear his skin to reproduce the issue
16:53 < int0x1C8> a ticketing system would just slow us down
16:53 < zunk> dont need to kill. i just tie them up in a shed in the woods
16:53 < int0x1C8> "outside of work hours" doesn't apply to him
16:54 < zunk> no bodies to get rid off and company when im not at work
16:54 < int0x1C8> all hours are work hours
16:54 < Holo> we force people to use the system or no help
16:54 < int0x1C8> I came in one night to try and do it at 11:30PM, he was still here working
16:54 < abakedapplepie> > a ticketing system would just slow us down
16:54 < Holo> it has proven it worth when it shows issues of X keep showing up in Y area
16:54 < abakedapplepie> thats the worst thing ive read all week
16:54 < Holo> abakedapplepie ikr?
16:54 < int0x1C8> meh
16:55 < Holo> have an intern make all of the tickets
16:55 < Holo> lol
16:55 < int0x1C8> its just not necessary for this environment
16:55 < Holo> like how hard is it to spend 30s to make a trail of an issue
16:55 < abakedapplepie> i dont believe you
16:55 < Holo> it also covers your ass
16:55 < corn266> jesus int0x1C8 give him a captcha and determine if he's a robot
16:55 < int0x1C8> my boss covers my ass
16:56 < estranger> sexual harassment!
16:56 < int0x1C8> lol
16:56 < arlion> call HR
16:56 < int0x1C8> believe me we've discussed it before, but we keep coming to the conclusion it just wouldn't provide much benefit over how things are done now
16:58 < int0x1C8> I don't want to fill out tickets for every time someone comes to my desk and says 'that bar thingy at the top of outlook went away can you get it back'
16:58 < int0x1C8> so I just walk over and right click -> uncheck hide ribbon, done
16:58 < estranger> they fill it out :)
16:58 < estranger> you just click "solved"
16:58 < Holo> exactly
16:58 < int0x1C8> see, they won't do that
16:58 < corn266> no the court said you had to lay off the drinking *ticket closed*
16:58 < abakedapplepie> sounds awful
16:58 < int0x1C8> we actually technically have a ticket system
16:58 < JFDkthx> int0x1C8: we have an auto resolving template just for drive bys
16:58 < int0x1C8> no one uses it
16:58 < Holo> you tell them to please go back to their desk and fill it out, their issue will not be resolved till you have done this
16:59 < estranger> user training is a thing.. it might be ok now but if the copmany grows it will be harder to implement then
16:59 < XV8> Time to get management to start enforcing it otherwise they are going to walk all over you.
16:59 < JFDkthx> thats only true if you dont start doing public executions
16:59 < estranger> or even "sure ill fix it now for you but please send a ticket too"
16:59 < Holo> company policy
16:59 < int0x1C8> as I said, its just not worth it
16:59 < Holo> int0x1C8 it it worth it
16:59 < abakedapplepie> yeah but that doesnt mean youre right lol
16:59 < Holo> is*
16:59 < int0x1C8> this company has been around since the 50s and most people have been here >40 years
16:59 < estranger> int0x1C8, BUT WE THE INTERNET PEOPLE KNOW BETTER ABOUT YOUR OWN SITUATION!!!
17:00 < JFDkthx> hey man if you can get by without tickets more power to you
17:00 < JFDkthx> i hate tickets
17:00 < XV8> I am a walking encyclopedia according to my users.
17:00 < corn266> r/gamersriseup
17:00 < int0x1C8> there just is no training on earth that could get these people to change things
17:00 < Holo> you discover which people need retraining
17:00 < Holo> int0x1C8 oh but their is
17:00 < JFDkthx> XV8: funny way to spell google.
17:00 < XV8> ;)
17:01 < estranger> yay just 3 more meetings today
17:01 < Holo> there*
17:01 < XV8> "Let me look back in my knowledge-base"
17:01 < JFDkthx> estranger: 3 more hours today
17:01 < Holo> its one of those you need to adapt or get replaced
17:01 < JFDkthx> then go home time
17:01 < scwizard> FRIDAY
17:01 < estranger> JFDkthx, im already home.  #1Upped
17:01 < JFDkthx> ravioli: is it friday
17:01 < int0x1C8> we're still constantly trying to force people to use the tools we developed to make their job easier and faster
17:02 < estranger> ohno the wife's evil twin wants to visit
17:02 < int0x1C8> but I guess people would rather work 90 hours a week doing things fucking inefficiently than use the systems to do the job in 40
17:03 < int0x1C8> and those people who don't use the systems fuck everyone else up, like missing inventory
17:03 < corn266> s/twin/mother in law
17:03 < estranger> corn266, my wife's mother in law would be my mom
17:03 < int0x1C8> "where did this thing go? it says we have one" "oh I used it last week at jobsite X"
17:03 < MadCamel> at least it's not like where I'm at. A team of 10 people is spending weeks copying data from a spreadsheet into web forms. I wrote a script that'd do it in a few seconds. Policy is such that the ops team can't run it because it touches entitlements, and the entitlements team can't run it because it directly touches a DB managed by ops.
17:03 < MadCamel> Therefore nobody's running it.
17:04 < corn266> estranger, um
17:04 < corn266> no
17:04 < int0x1C8> "and did you use the inventory system?" "uhhh... no, I did not"
17:04 < int0x1C8> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
17:04 < estranger> corn266, my mother in law is my wifes mom.  my wifes mother in law is my mom.  no?
17:05 < corn266> well yea, but like, nu uh
17:05 < estranger> lolwut
17:05 < dragonfleas> Well, my org just ordered all the licensing stuff we need for Microsoft products
17:05 < dragonfleas> yay
17:05 < dragonfleas> finally we'll be compliant
17:06 < int0x1C8> but yes I knew the no ticketing thing would be anathema here
17:06 < int0x1C8> ticketing is the closest thing to IT's religion
17:07 < int0x1C8> so consider me agnostic
17:07 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: depends on if your wife is married to just you?
17:07 < grumplestiltzkin> sticky notes is a ticketing system technically
17:07 < estranger> JollyRgrs, lol good point.. butyes just me
17:07 < Holo> int0x1C8 thats when you give them a warning and get it company policy to use the systems or face termination
17:08 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: is she an actual twin, or just a sister? (the evil twin)
17:08 < int0x1C8> Holo, that just wouldn't fly here
17:08 < estranger> Identical twin
17:08 <@JollyRgrs> "oops, i didn't realize"
17:08 < grumplestiltzkin> with jagged moustache?
17:08 < Holo> int0x1C8 then have fun with people not doing shit because they know they can
17:08 < int0x1C8> yep
17:08 < estranger> grumplestiltzkin, evil twins have a goatee
17:09 < int0x1C8> luckily its not my job to do their job
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: totally should talk to your wife about the great sex you had last night... when you didn't... or if you did, talk about things you didn't do
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> "wait, what? that wasn't you?"
17:09 < estranger> JollyRgrs, no.
17:09 < estranger> JollyRgrs, bad idea =)
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> hahaha
17:09 < grumplestiltzkin> estranger: wario has a goatee?
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> i didn't say actually do the deed
17:09 < estranger> JollyRgrs, oh i know
17:09 <@JollyRgrs> or is your wife sensitive about that?
17:09 < int0x1C8> computer stuff happens? talk to me. didn't get something done on time? I'm not shedding tears
17:09 < estranger> twins are weird man
17:09 < Holo> I need to collect some power shell scripts to fuck with people when they log into computers what have signs on them to not use.
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: you coulda already done her twin and not known
17:10 < estranger> sterotypical twin sex jokes do not go over well
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> :P
17:10 < Holo> who*
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> my bro in law is at my house now
17:10 < grumplestiltzkin> "TWINS, basil"
17:10 <@JollyRgrs> he's def. not someone i can mistake for my wife
17:10 < Holo> why is this keyboard soo bad
17:10 < estranger> JollyRgrs, i was only almost fooled once when her sister came over to the house while I was at work and I didnt know it.. and she was sitting outside on the chair my wife normally sits in (gf then)
17:11 < estranger> JollyRgrs, I was like "hiii!.... oh... heeey!"
17:11 < estranger> they could fool me over the phone though. they sound EXACTLY the same.  it's creepy.. i can tell them apart very easily now, but not their voices
17:12 < estranger> same laugh, same mannerisms
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, you'd have to go on context for voices, eh?
17:12 < dragonfleas> Why does sysadmin imposter syndrome fuck me up mentally so hard
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> creepy
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: how long have yo ubeen doing this?
17:12 < estranger> sometimes my wife will make a face and I catch myself thinking "hey she looks like her sister when she does that"
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> HA
17:12 <@JollyRgrs> better dare not tell ehr that
17:12 < estranger> i know haha
17:13 < estranger> "do you tihnk my sister is hot?" is a fucking trap too
17:13 < estranger> "no!" "but she looks like me"
17:13 < estranger> "yes" "WHAT?"
17:13 < Holo> hahaha
17:13 <@ravioli> JFDkthx: yes
17:13 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, 3 years in IT, 2 years as admin
17:14 < dragonfleas> Can I resolve this DCDIAG issue by resetting the OU to remove all the junk data from the NIC card?
17:15 < Holo> dragonfleas what is the source of that meme?
17:15 < dragonfleas> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8u0scp/were_not_just_talking_jumbo_packet_sizes_here_pal/
17:15 < estranger> its not a meme, it's his real life :(
17:15 < humpaxx> FUCKINGOINSDOIaSDOOIdOISASIOn
17:16 < dragonfleas> ^?
17:16 < humpaxx> FIve bloody minutes until closing
17:16 < humpaxx> and a customer calls about internet problems
17:16 < Holo> dragonfleas what the fuck
17:16 < Holo> WOW LOL
17:17 < dragonfleas> Holo, if you're confused about this post, just clear the junk data from the NIC card in your brain
17:17 < Holo> dragonfleas, I think death is the only thing that can fix that
17:17 < estranger> oh ha..i stopped reading after "dcdiag" up there.. i stand corrected.  that is awesome
17:18 < dragonfleas> lmao
17:18 < dragonfleas> Do you guys not spend a lot of time actually on the sub
17:18 < Sousapro> nope
17:19 < estranger> I'm an imposter
17:19 < Sousapro> why would I do that?
17:19 < estranger> not even a sysadmin anymore, but dont tell anyone
17:19 < Sousapro> TRIGGERED
17:19 < Sousapro> went dev?
17:20 < estranger> fuck no, went into sales \o/
17:20 < Sousapro> sales engineer?
17:20 < estranger> 18.5 years as a sys admin, switched to sales engineering for a software vender
17:20 < estranger> yeah
17:20 < Sousapro> yeah, that's a sick job if you can get good commission on it
17:21 < Sousapro> I wouldn't mind doing it for veeam
17:21 < estranger> now travel around the country, wave my arms in the air and draw on whiteboards
17:21 < corn266> *estrange slaps the roof of the software* this bad boy can fit so many bells and whistles in it
17:21 < estranger> lol
17:22 < estranger> believe it or not, I tell people all the time "no, don't use us for this"
17:22 < JFDkthx> dragonfleas: nic card
17:22 < JFDkthx> nic
17:22 < JFDkthx> card
17:23 < Holo> stop being a nic about it JFDkthx
17:23 < JFDkthx> holo i bet he goes to the atm machine too
17:23 < Holo> lol
17:23 < estranger> im still very hands on though, we run workshops and pocs etc, and help w/ the initial implementations too.  just no more production issues :D
17:23 < dragonfleas> network interface card card
17:23 < JFDkthx> corn266: hey
17:23 < JFDkthx> u but
17:23 < JFDkthx> i fukkin added u on steam last night
17:24 < JFDkthx> but you decided to ignore my request
17:24 < corn266> oh you're jay
17:24 < estranger> ha
17:24 < corn266> i was gonna ask but decided to drink instead
17:24 < dragonfleas> any ya'll nibbas play PUBG?
17:24 < JFDkthx> fuck no
17:24 < JFDkthx> we fn
17:24 < dragonfleas> what games?
17:24 < JFDkthx> doter/tarkov/fn/battlerite
17:24 < JFDkthx> and whatever else is the new hotness
17:25 < dragonfleas> how much is tarkov? I've been meaning to try it
17:25 < corn266> JFDkthx, I just accepted your req
17:25 < estranger> Sousapro, being an SE is fun.. if you're a person who doesn't mind talking to groups of people.  good transition to make after a while
17:25 < JFDkthx> aight
17:27 < JFDkthx> i'll send you a discord invite later.
17:27 < JFDkthx> or if McDonaldsWiFi is here
17:27 < JFDkthx> hey
17:28 < corn266> oh my discord is different
17:28 < corn266> something like Mastercorn266 but idk the number
17:35 < corn266> what y'all doin for July 4th?
17:35 < JFDkthx> bunch of nothing
17:36 < JFDkthx> maybe 2 bunches
17:36 < JFDkthx> if i get around to it
17:37 < estranger> not working
17:37 < estranger> maybe a neighbor will have a bbq and ill invade it
17:37 < hxcsp> beer
17:37 < voice> I'm sure people will be blowing shit up
17:38 < scwizard> bleh
17:38 < scwizard> there's this race condition in production, yuck yuck eww
17:38 < zerocool> hey duds, i want to prevent exchange users from getting internal mailbox routing for a specific user, becuase they will be moved out of exchange, do i just hide them from GAL?
17:38 < zerocool> or is there something else i can do
17:38 < combatdud3> https://youtu.be/6qw0L0Pv12w?t=133
17:39 < scwizard> basically the devs code is: Download data from place; Check to see if duplicate data exists in the database; Insert non duplicated data into the database;
17:39 < scwizard> do ya'll see the race condition?
17:40 < JFDkthx> scwizard: im sorry, i dont see races as an issue
17:40 < estranger> there is time between step 2 and 3
17:41 < corn266> is it asynch downloading / checking?
17:41 < scwizard> yup
17:41 < estranger> it could exist between the time you check and the time you insert
17:41 < scwizard> yup
17:41 < estranger> what DB?
17:41 < scwizard> mysql
17:41 < corn266> why not check and then dl?
17:42 < estranger> doesnt mysql bomb on an insert if the data exists? its read before write
17:42 < scwizard> you can't check data without dling it
17:42 < corn266> get and store a hash
17:46 < MadCamel> mmmm hash
17:48 < scwizard> corn266: yeah just suggested that to them
17:48 < scwizard> basically the response was "it's a pain but we probably have to do it at some point
17:48 < abakedapplepie> why not just use an upsert query
17:49 < abakedapplepie> or do you want to keep old data in the event of a conflict
17:49 < abakedapplepie> and throw away new data
17:49 < abakedapplepie> (i think yo can still do that)
17:50 < corn266> fucking lol scwizard `md5sum <file>`
17:50 < scwizard> corn266: it's a lot more complicated than that but I don't want to go into detail about how our prod code works
17:51 < AnimalFarmPig> scwizard: correct thing to do is try to insert, if it's already in the database, the database will complain, if the database complains, perform an update
17:51 < scwizard> AnimalFarmPig: it won't complain, if you have auto increment and no unique keys, you can insert the exact same thin twice
17:51 < humpaxx> Finally figured out why the cashier computer couldn´t get online so now i get to go home
17:51 < AnimalFarmPig> if you're writing your SQL by hand-- INSERT INTO some_table VALUES .... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE ....
17:51 < scwizard> so yeah i suggested having a unique id for thingy
17:51 < humpaxx> A sonos speaker had been asigned the same (static) IP that the cashier desktop had
17:51 < AnimalFarmPig> scwizard: if a field needs to be unique, then they need to put a unique constraint on it
17:52 < AnimalFarmPig> otherwise, they're asking for exactly the race condition you described
17:52 < scwizard> yeah p much
17:52 < scwizard> it gets into philisophical questions of "what is a duplicate" though
17:52 < scwizard> which i can't get into without going into too much detail
17:52 < AnimalFarmPig> use a hash like corn266 suggested if the data that must be unique is big
17:52 < scwizard> but yeah i told them a hash
17:52 < scwizard> is wise
17:53 < admiralspark> Hellooooo Friday
17:53 < scwizard> i'm kinda pondering
17:53 < AnimalFarmPig> depending on what the actual data is, there may be other algorithms to "fingerprint" it, for example perceptual hashing of images
17:53 < scwizard> if i should go out tonight
17:53 < JFDkthx> scwizard: fukkin cat db > newfile; diff new old
17:53 < JFDkthx> how hard could it be
17:53 < JFDkthx> jeez
17:53 < JFDkthx> think with ur brain for once
17:55 < AnimalFarmPig> alternatively, use some form of distributed lock manager (redlock) and acquire a lock for the "key" of the data before doing the operation, but that's kind of kludgy
17:55 < humpaxx> Goodbye everyone, im going to a better place now
17:55 < JFDkthx> good riddance
17:55 < humpaxx> And by that i mean im going home
17:55 < AnimalFarmPig> humpaxx: Florida?
17:55 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: u jest
17:55 < AnimalFarmPig> oh, home is good too
17:55 < AnimalFarmPig> JFDkthx: yes
17:55 < JFDkthx> lol
17:55 < humpaxx> Laters everyone.
17:55 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: hes going to the florida georgia line
17:56 < JFDkthx> home of the dumbest people in america
17:56 < AnimalFarmPig> JFDkthx: next time you need a tree name, I've got a good one-- Piñon
17:57 < JFDkthx> mmm do accents work in vm?
17:57 < JFDkthx> er
17:57 < JFDkthx> vcenter
17:57 < JFDkthx> pinon is good
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> if you can't do the ñ, spell it with a "y"-- pinyon
18:09 < JFDkthx> but thats chinese.
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyon_pine
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> exactly
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> and not like "pinion" the mechanical part
18:09 < AnimalFarmPig> people will be so confused
18:09 < JFDkthx> sounds good to me
18:09 < alazare619> so apparently sophos can be ran in docker and bitdefender
18:09 < alazare619> might actually put them on my nas
18:09 < alazare619> to just monitor my downloads directory
18:09 < bmurt> you're the coolest alazare619
18:09 < alazare619> bmurt: no you are bro
18:09 < bmurt> aw shucks. ty alazare619
18:09 < bmurt> <3
18:09 < dragonfleas> anyone wanna see a picture of my thicc sysadmin ass, come visit me on chat ;* https://sysadminlovechat.io/
18:09 < alazare619> <3 bb
18:10 < dragonfleas> why has the sub been full of shitposting troll posts lately?
18:10 < corn266> THE CULLING IS NEIGH
18:10 < dragonfleas> AHHHHHHHHH
18:10  * DrGibby| runs around screaming
18:13 < JFDkthx> F
18:13 <@ravioli> f
18:13 < alazare619> g
18:13 < JFDkthx> ur dum
18:13 < alazare619> JFDkthx:  the b is silent not invisible...
18:14 < JFDkthx> i wish u were both
18:14 < JFDkthx> #burn
18:14 < JFDkthx> whale cum back
18:15 < alazare619> whats cooler then being cool
18:17  * coderphive kicks cryptic1 (back to work).
18:22 < dragonfleas> what the hell
18:22 < dragonfleas> F
18:23  * coderphive kicks Code_Man65 (Chode_Man65).
18:25 < coderphive> Slack is acting up and so is Freenode
18:25 < coderphive> I smell a conspiracy
18:25 < DrGibby|> means its time to go home
18:25 < JFDkthx> seems good to me
18:26 < coderphive> DrGibby|, oh hello
18:26 < admiralspark> coderphive: irc is superior. Bow down to us
18:26 < admiralspark> it*
18:27 < coderphive> admiralspark, I now assume you're part of a botnet since you said "us"
18:27  * dragonfleas sets BANT on cryptic1
18:27 < dragonfleas> coderphive, we're totally not robots
18:30 < corn266> test
18:30 < corn266> test test
18:31 < corn266> mic check ha hahaa
18:33 < nthdevops> Morning all
18:33 < nthdevops> Slack is working for me, at least for now coderphive
18:34 < corn266> bro it's 5 o'clock somewhere and you're just waking up?
18:36 < grumplestiltzkin> one of us
18:36  * grumplestiltzkin points
18:37 < scwizard> https://status.slack.com/
18:37 < scwizard> ayyyyyyyy
18:39 < dragonfleas> why does slack go down so much
18:40 < JFDkthx> because it's crap
18:40 < JFDkthx> and gifs are too intensive
18:43 < technonerd> The emoji the network killer
18:43 < grumplestiltzkin> do you pronounce it gif or gif?
18:45 < corn266_> oh frick
18:46 < corn266_> how do i remove myself from the server without suicide
18:46 < estranger> scwizard, lol damn.
18:47 < MikeSpears> lol massive comcast outage
18:52 < corn266> https://youtu.be/LusmDJK0ijY
18:52 < Sousapro> grumplestiltzkin: I always pronounced it hard G because that's how everyone I ever met pronounced it
18:52 < Jekotia> OMG. I've been struggling to make a script to work with the output of lgpo.exe backups (I want to rename them from their random hashes to something useful). The root of the problem is that the fucking program used STANDARD ERROR for SUCCESSFUL EXECUTION output :|
18:52 < Jekotia> WHY MS
18:52 < Jekotia> WHHHHHHHHHHHHHY
18:52 < Sousapro> Jekotia: because domain
18:52 < Sousapro> Jekotia: they literally don't care about local GPOs
18:53 < Sousapro> give up on ghettorigging a domain
18:53 < Sousapro> they're going to crush your soul if you keep trying
18:53 < Jekotia> I don't see how that's relevant to this. The program uses the wrong output stream
18:54 < Jekotia> It's outright idiotic design, by intent
18:54 < Sousapro> correct
18:54 < Sousapro> someone slapped something together a generation ago and microsoft has put zero institutional effort towards making it better or even make sense
18:54 < Patrick> anyone affected by the possible comcast nationwide outage?
18:54 < Sousapro> I hate when stuff is weird like that in windows
18:55 < Sousapro> you can tell they don't want you to use it
18:55 < Patrick> lost 6 of my locations on the east coast, comcast login auth system broken, http://downdetector.com/status/comcast-xfinity
18:55 < Sousapro> SO DON'T INCLUDE IT IN THE OS
18:55 < corn266> Jekotia, lmao
18:55 < Jekotia> Sousapro: It's not included. It's a tool released in 2016.
18:56 < Jekotia> replaces the older localgpo.exe tool
18:56 < Sousapro> oh
18:56 < Sousapro> I was thinking the older localgpo.exe tool
18:56 < Sousapro> nvm
18:56 < Sousapro> lol
18:56 < Jekotia> Yea
18:56 < Jekotia> That's why this is so idiotic
18:56 < Jekotia> It's a NEW tool intentionally made wrong
18:56 < Sousapro> there's no excuse for that
18:56 < Sousapro> sucks man :(
18:57 < ebol4> Patrick: i've got remote coworkers having issues connecting to anything with comcast
18:57 < Jekotia> I can work around it though. Now that I know it's sending to Standard Error, I can use that stream instead
18:57 < Patrick> seems like a LARGE outage focused in the Alexandria, VA area
18:57 < Patrick> and up the east coast from there
18:57 < estranger> oh god wikipedia is down, how do I know whats true and whats false
18:57 < Jekotia> But I wasted over an hour thinking I was incapable of following tutorials on for loops that go through command output xD
18:57 < Patrick> Washinton DC as well
18:58 < corn266> Patrick, i'm not having any issues with comcast in that area
18:58 < ebol4> estranger: you'll have to refer to your hard copy of the encyclopedia britannica
18:59 < estranger> ebol4, ahh i keep my set right next to my Kirby Vacuum
18:59 < Patrick> must be one of the lucky few corn266. twitter seems to agree with my original idea
19:01 < technonerd> Does anyone configure androids
19:01 < MadCamel> I configure them to do the dishes
19:01 < technonerd> Hue
19:01 < Patrick> https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=comcastcares%20&src=typd
19:01 < grumplestiltzkin> configure them to dream of electric sheep
19:02 < w1cked> anyone know of any bulk methods to tell what computers a gpo isn't applying to?
19:05 < w1cked> in other words failing to apply to
19:08 < JFDkthx> im soo sleeeeepy
19:09 < JFDkthx> i think i slept like maybe 30 minutes last night
19:09 < insecurity> have you been in communications with your work supervisor?
19:09 < JFDkthx> as soon as i was drifting off into sleep, i head my neighbor sneeze
19:09 < JFDkthx> heareded*
19:10 < JFDkthx> estranger: wikipedia is down because you refused to donate
19:10 < estranger> i did though
19:10 < estranger> :<
19:10 < JFDkthx> NOT ENOUGH
19:10 < JFDkthx> DONATE AGAIN
19:10 < estranger> haha
19:10 < admiralspark> w1cked: are you trying to prove a GPO is applying to machines?
19:10 < admiralspark> w1cked: or are you trying to verify a specific set of machines?
19:11 <@cryptic1> send more money k thanks
19:11 < w1cked> trying to determine which it isn't applying to or failing on
19:11 <@cryptic1> stop donating to wikipedia and help #reddit-sysadmin ops
19:11 <+giant_it_burrit> cryptic1: did you get my money
19:11 < w1cked> we have a local admin policy from our parent domain but it is broken across our domain
19:11 < w1cked> was going to try powershell
19:11 < admiralspark> w1cked: your centralized monitoring should be collecting logs, and you can just search for failed to apply, no?
19:12 < admiralspark> oh
19:12 < w1cked> they just spun up sccm but i don't know if he has that configured
19:12 < grumplestiltzkin> hm. maybe wikipedia becomes skynet instead of goog
19:12 < admiralspark> w1cked: I'd use invoke-command and collect gpresult from every machine, and then check them.
19:13 < admiralspark> or, yeah, an RMM or SCCM maybe
19:13 <@cryptic1> ^ at the request of JFDkthx
19:13 <@cryptic1> he bought a few lootboxes
19:13 <@cryptic1> will be released in 29 minutes
19:15 <@cryptic1> Received a CTCP LIGHTENING BOLT from estranger
19:15 <@cryptic1> thats +5 minutes
19:15 <@cryptic1> you can thank estranger
19:15 <@cryptic1> thats another +5 minutes estranger
19:16 <@cryptic1> thats another +5 minutes estranger
19:16 < estranger> lies
19:16 < estranger> all of it
19:16 < hxcsp> cryptic1: all talk
19:16 < hxcsp> ;o
19:16 < admiralspark> cryptic1: what was that about?
19:16 < kronis> RIP east coast, we knew thee so well.
19:16 < JFDkthx> i was upset with the state of the chatroom
19:16 < hxcsp> is there a east coast comcast business outage
19:16 < grumplestiltzkin> true/false: you have to log in to twitter to see anything now
19:16 < JFDkthx> so i paid money to mute it
19:16 < JFDkthx> false?
19:16 < kronis> Yes hxcsp
19:16 < hxcsp> or a nj/ny/pa area comcast outage
19:16 < hxcsp> ok
19:17 < estranger> but you dont now what you get when you buy a lootbox
19:17 < estranger> i sense a bamboozle
19:17 < kronis> I got like 40 node alerts for DMVPN
19:17 < hxcsp> i have 3 offices out that way that are down
19:17 < admiralspark> what lootboxes are you referring to?
19:17 < JFDkthx> estranger: i paid for the premium boxes
19:17 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: #reddit-sysadmin lootboxes
19:17 < estranger> JFDkthx, you rich bastard
19:17 < grumplestiltzkin> wow, just that one browser.   even just going to twitter.com it tries to force a login
19:17 <@cryptic1> admiralspark, #reddit-sysadmin lootboxes/lootcrates
19:17 < JFDkthx> msg cryptic1 for more information
19:17 <@cryptic1> its on our website
19:17 < admiralspark> we have a website?
19:17 <@cryptic1> yes
19:17 < kronis> felda.io
19:18 < kronis> Oh wait...
19:18 < admiralspark> aside from felda's?
19:18 <@cryptic1> http://quotes.rsysadmin.net/
19:18 < genr8_> hxcsp: seems fine here
19:18 < admiralspark> ....
19:18 < genr8_> there was a big storm last night
19:19 < hxcsp> well they all went down at the same time so
19:19  * hxcsp shrugs
19:19 < syere> most ISP's are having outages across the US right now
19:19 < estranger> Welcome to admin panel! Fuck off if you don't belong here.
19:19 < estranger> lol
19:19 < ny0x> I got a bunch of alerts like 5 minutes ago
19:19 < ny0x> cleared though. yay aws.
19:19 < hxcsp> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8uukck/comcast_level_3_issues_east_cost_midwest/
19:20 < admiralspark> the goddamn outage email list has been blowing up about it for the last 1.5hrs
19:20 < hxcsp> whats this list you speak of
19:20 < corn266> east cost
19:20 < admiralspark> outages.org. Network admins across the US
19:21 < admiralspark> hxcsp:
19:22 <@JollyRgrs> anyone her good w/ powershell comparing?
19:22 < corn266> use linux diff
19:23 <@JollyRgrs> $array... i need to see if any strings in array "like-match" a string
19:23 < kronis> What is that admiralspark
19:23 < kronis> That URL goes nowhere
19:23 <@JollyRgrs> so like... $array is states... string is "state-city"... i want to see if string contains a state in the array
19:23 < hxcsp> admiralspark: thanks
19:24 < hxcsp> one of my users in jacksonville asked if they were under russian attack
19:24 < kronis> Lol what
19:24 <@JollyRgrs> lol
19:24 < hxcsp> yeah. he asked why he couldnt get to a few certain websites and i said it was likely because ISP's on the east coast are having issues right now, ill check it out
19:25 < hxcsp> and he was like "ARE WE UNDER RUSSIAN ATTACK?"  in all caps too
19:25 < hxcsp> this guy always talks in all caps
19:25 < kronis> We had an outage a few days after the Boston bombings
19:25 < kronis> And someone said something similar, "Is this a terrorist attack?"
19:26 < estranger> unconfirmed!
19:28 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: why don't you just use '-like' and wildcard matches
19:30 < admiralspark> or use -match and $pattern
19:30 < admiralspark> oh
19:30 < admiralspark> I'm referring to where-object, btw
19:31 < admiralspark> here JollyRgrs https://powershell.org/forums/topic/partial-string-match-on-a-list/
19:31 < MikeSpears> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ASvE67pt/Screenshot_20180629-132959_Chrome.jpg
19:31 < MikeSpears> Comcast is fucked
19:32 < servchan> whoowhattt
19:32 < MikeSpears> comcast getting rekt
19:32 < servchan> taking a pounding?
19:32 < MikeSpears> in the ass with no lube
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: thanks, i was looking at something similar... turning array into regex
19:33 < servchan> tough life
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> it also seems to run MUCH faster for bigger loads, too
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> i might have to do that :/
19:33 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: a regex match you mean?
19:33 < MikeSpears> JollyRgrs: is your part of FL comcast?
19:33 < estranger> :o
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> MikeSpears: yeah, we're comcast or ATT
19:33 < MikeSpears> comcast got fuckeeeed
19:33 < DrGibby|> yeah, massive comcast issue
19:34 < MikeSpears> like zero lube
19:34 < MikeSpears> lol
19:34 < servchan> LTE > Comcast
19:34 < estranger> i cant reach big chunks of the internet
19:34 < estranger> thanks xfinity
19:34 < MikeSpears> lol
19:34 < MikeSpears> you don't need the internet :D
19:34 < MikeSpears> lol
19:34 < DrGibby|> whats the internet?
19:34 < MikeSpears> go outside
19:34 < estranger> I can reach our video conference service
19:34 < MikeSpears> or something
19:34 < estranger> *cant
19:34 < MikeSpears> VPN?
19:34 < MikeSpears> use one
19:34 < MikeSpears> lol
19:35 < servchan> my toaster has a vpn
19:35 < admiralspark> el oh el
19:35 < estranger> split tunnel, wouldnt route  my traffic for the VC through it
19:35 < MikeSpears> servchan: but does your mom have one?
19:35 < MikeSpears> lol
19:35 < admiralspark> servchan: still more secure than most IoT
19:35 < AnimalFarmPig> I've just had a million peso idea
19:35 < servchan> nope MikeSpears yo momma has bloothooth
19:35 < admiralspark> MikeSpears: literally half your comments in here are 'lol'
19:35 < MikeSpears> AnimalFarmPig: start a new ISP that doesn't suck
19:35 < MikeSpears> ?
19:36 < MikeSpears> admiralspark: that's not true
19:36 < AnimalFarmPig> some dipshit contractor pitched "We're putting server provisioning on the blockchain!" to an executive at our company
19:36 < hxcsp> jsut fabricate internet
19:36 < hxcsp> you wont need to peer with providers
19:36 < hxcsp> its ok
19:36 < MikeSpears> AnimalFarmPig: wat
19:36 < AnimalFarmPig> and the dipshit executive thought it was a great idea and paid him a bunch of money to implement it
19:36 < grumplestiltzkin> AnimalFarmPig: what the actual fuck ?
19:36 < AnimalFarmPig> it was immediately obvious, that it was a retarded idea
19:36 < servchan> internet fux
19:36 < MikeSpears> how does that even work
19:36 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: now i just need to see if i can "not" hardcode an inverse comparator
19:36 <@JollyRgrs> like if i'm using a -like compare, i want to change it to a -notlike
19:36 < AnimalFarmPig> and the result didn't in any way involve any blockchains
19:37 <@JollyRgrs> without using a case or something
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> my coworker just inherited the piece of shit that this guy put together, and now the execs are asking if we can add blockchain to it
19:37 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: wait, srsly?
19:37 < MikeSpears> BLOCKCHAIN EVERYWHERE
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> so, million peso idea--
19:37 < MikeSpears> HOW DO WE BLOCKCHAIN
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> a blockchain is just a linked list with hashes
19:37 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/bofh_2018_episode_7/
19:37 < MikeSpears> beat blocktards with hammers?
19:37 <@JollyRgrs> so this is you?
19:37 < AnimalFarmPig> each item in the linked list contains data and the hash of previous item
19:38 <@JollyRgrs> are you PFY in that?
19:38 < grumplestiltzkin> so, a cloud inside a blockchain, inside a cloud
19:38 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm just going to write a Python library that implement's Python's List() API and also contains hashes
19:38 < MikeSpears> BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK CHAIN
19:38 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: rewrite it to use an Access db, tell mgmt that you've added a Microsoft-written version of transaction chaining.
19:38 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: like all powershell, just nest it within ANOTHER set of braces with a -ne :P
19:38 < AnimalFarmPig> we can substitute an object of ShittyBlockchain() type for any items of List() type in our code, and everything will work, but we'll now have blockchains
19:38 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: trying to keep it dynamic
19:39 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: if your simple powershell script isn't 100+ lines, you're not working hard enough :P
19:39 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: this is easier. It's like 30 minutes of code.
19:39 < servchan> cockblock chains
19:39 <@JollyRgrs> script will accept any comparator for get-aduser -filter
19:39 <@JollyRgrs> i want to do the inverse of it later on
19:39 < estranger> at least i can reach my znc to get on irc
19:39 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: maybe make optional -options ?
19:39 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: Fair enough.
19:39 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm seriously going to do this. When the execs ask if there is blockchain, we'll be able to say "yes"
19:40 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: you mean when you run it later kinda thing?
19:40 < AnimalFarmPig> "we use blockchain internally to guarantee data security"
19:40 < admiralspark> I'd use parameters to make it an optional inverse
19:41 < MikeSpears> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/QsmVMNa9/image.png omg
19:41 < AnimalFarmPig> you know, in case anyone changes the contents of memory while our application is executing
19:41 < estranger> MikeSpears, oof
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: yeah, i do a cehck to add users into a security group
19:41 <@JollyRgrs> but then i also check if someone is in that doesn't belong
19:41 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: that's the kinda crap that'll get you demoted to mgmt.
19:42 < servchan> poop
19:42 <@JollyRgrs> based on criteria of how to determine who is in, i need to inverse that to figure out who is out
19:42 < MikeSpears> blah https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/eYwzjRtI/20180629_134158.jpg
19:42 < AnimalFarmPig> Heresiarch: shit :/
19:42 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: yep, I'd code an optional param () for that, maybe like -VerifyNotInGroup or something
19:42 < admiralspark> then later on check for the value of the parameter and add an inverse if $true or something
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> admiralspark: i've already got 7 mandatory params
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> tryin to keep that down :P
19:43 < AnimalFarmPig> JollyRgrs: "You mean like 3D TVs in all our meeting rooms?"  amazing. I thought Simon had stopped making BOFH. I stopped checking after I didn't see new ones for like a year a few years ago
19:43 < admiralspark> jesus christ
19:43 < admiralspark> hahaha
19:43 <@JollyRgrs> lol
19:44 <@cryptic1> but are they 4d3d3d tvs?
19:45 < AnimalFarmPig> damn, this BOFH is on fire. Thank JollyRgrs. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/04/27/bofh_2018_episode_7/
19:45 < DrGibby|> apparently is a major fiber cut re/Comcast
19:47 <@cryptic1> DrGibby|, learn how to internet, git gud
19:47 < Maarten> Or they fucked up something and decided to blame it on a fiber cut :P
19:48 <+DrGibby|> cryptic1: I'm not complaining, we're not impacted
19:48 < Hatter> DId they fix the Internet yet?
19:48 < Hatter> I'm trying to enjoy my day off here
19:48 <+DrGibby|> no
19:48 <+DrGibby|> major fiber cut
19:48 < Hatter> where?
19:48 < estranger> busted
19:48 < Hatter> how
19:48 < estranger> dude if a single fiber cut did this comcast is worse off than I thought
19:48 <+DrGibby|> Hatter: not sure yet, looks like most of the east coast is fak'd
19:48 < estranger> is this stemming form the manhole fire?
19:48 < Hatter> estranger: url
19:49 < NeilMark> Is it primarly a single ISP?
19:49 <+DrGibby|> Comcast
19:49 < NeilMark> yeah having reports of our partners who are using Comcast getting borked
19:49 <+DrGibby|> we have clients up and down the east coast (NY to FL) the ones on Comcast are all down
19:50 < Hatter> So just Comcast? No one is blaming Level 3?
19:50 <+DrGibby|> not yet lol
19:50 < estranger> oh nvm im reading an old URL
19:50 < hxcsp> now some of my texas sites are having issues as well
19:50 <+DrGibby|> CASCADING!
19:50 < Maarten> estranger, unfortunately.... many links in the USA - god knows why - aren't laid down redundant. You should really deploy a ring, in which data can travel in two directions.... if the ring gets cut, you can travel the other direction and still reach the same destination right on the other side of the cut. There will be some increased latency, but you won't be down.
19:50 < Hatter> Is it the Chinese?
19:50 <+DrGibby|> nb4allofcomcastisdown
19:50 < NeilMark> Comcast reporting American wide outage
19:50 <+DrGibby|> YAY!
19:50 < NeilMark> dam its going south
19:51 < hxcsp> now i have to pre-emptivly call offices and warn them
19:51 < hxcsp> :/
19:51 < hxcsp> fyi comcast is fucked you should just go home
19:51 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx!!!!
19:52 < Heresiarch> wow. If it's that bad, then they must be having issues in core routing/peering.
19:52 < Maarten> where they may also have comcast and will be just as fucked :P
19:52 < MikeSpears> my shit's good
19:53 < MikeSpears> I'm not on crapcast
19:53 <+DrGibby|> seems local peering is ok
19:53 < MikeSpears> WOW business and spectrum
19:53 < MikeSpears> WOW Business for datacenter
19:53 < MikeSpears> :D
19:53 < MikeSpears> working perfectly
19:54 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: what
19:54 < JFDkthx> mother fucker
19:54 < MikeSpears> cryptic1: sup
19:54 < JFDkthx> thats it
19:54 < JFDkthx> im buying more lootboxes
19:54 <@cryptic1> hey MikeSpears
19:54 < JFDkthx> fuck you hatter
19:54 < MikeSpears> JFDkthx is lame
19:54 < Heresiarch> actually, it'd be interesting to know whether Comcast's DA customers are being impacted, or if it's HFC only.
19:54 < JFDkthx> MikeSpears: listen here u shit
19:54 < JFDkthx> dont make me buy even more
19:54 < Hatter> MikeSpears: you're right of course
19:54 < MikeSpears> hahahahhaha
19:54 < JFDkthx> i'll get your ass bant
19:54 < MikeSpears> nah
19:54 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: can you just silence one person this time ;P
19:54 < JFDkthx> dont fucking test me
19:55 < MikeSpears> I'm friends with cryptic1 and JollyRgrs :D
19:55 <+DrGibby|> oh shit someone muttered level3
19:55 <+DrGibby|> now shit is really going to break
19:55 < MikeSpears> good luck with me getting bant JFDkthx
19:55 < MikeSpears> who's hacking the internets
19:55 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: yeah man
19:55 < JFDkthx> sure
19:55 < JFDkthx> no problem
19:55 < admiralspark> NO WAI--
19:55 < aName> Bah. Ordered a new backpack, was marked as out for delivery... and of course UPS brings one package but not that one
19:55  * admiralspark has been silenced
19:55 < Hatter> !kickrequest JFDkthx being mildly annoying
19:55 < MikeSpears> STOP HACKING THE INTERNETS
19:55 < JFDkthx> hatter keep trying to push my buttons
19:55 < AnimalFarmPig> Maarten: those fiber runs aren't deployed in rings because it would cost twice as much to do so
19:56 < JFDkthx> u have weak baby fingers
19:56 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: with comcast down, this is my only outlet to bitch about them! haha.
19:56 < MikeSpears> someone's literally hacking it to bits
19:56 < MikeSpears> :D
19:56 < admiralspark> Man I feel bad for people stuck with them
19:56 < JFDkthx> do it on twitter
19:56 < AnimalFarmPig> cheaper to just have occasional outages
19:56 < estranger> Maarten, id hope comcast uses rings :P
19:56 < JFDkthx> it's probably just somebody lost in the woods with a backhoe
19:56 <+TuxedoJack> Oh, man, my ATL office is shitting bricks because of this Comcast stuff
19:56 < MikeSpears> its pretty bad when spectrum is comparatively wholesome/decent
19:56 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking lol'd
19:56 < JFDkthx> chopped a line in half so he could be found.
19:56 <@cryptic1> ^ requested by JFDkthx
19:57 <@cryptic1> lootcrates work guys
19:57 < estranger> wtf is +q anyhow
19:57 < estranger> quiet?
19:57 < JFDkthx> quieten
19:57 < MikeSpears> quit
19:57 < MikeSpears> not really
19:57 < rpifan> quitus
19:57 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: i foolowed your request
19:57 < rpifan> is death
19:57 < rpifan> in latin
19:57 < JFDkthx> +queef
19:57 < aName> Yay! My super power of complaint works again! Started complaining about the backpack not being here
19:58 < aName> .... and now it's here
19:58 < estranger> i need a new backpack
19:58 < Maarten> AnimalFarmPig, I understand. In the Netherlands however.... they do so. It seems they just want to be cheap...... but companies like Level3 and Zayo (which appear to be the ones on the cut fiber, providing the backbone for Comcast, or part of it...) SHOULD have deployed rings for connections that are important enough to shut down the internet in whole cities.
19:58 < MikeSpears> aName: LUCK
19:58 < rpifan> queer
19:58 < rpifan> yes quen
19:58 < rpifan> queen
19:58 < Heresiarch> MikeSpears: for all of the faults of Spectrum/TWC/BHN, they weren't a patch on the shitshow of architecture in Comcast.
19:58 < MikeSpears> this is true
19:58 < estranger> I was an early Zayo customer and it was rings back then in my lil suburb at least
19:58 < Maarten> If you want to start a war against the USA.... you don't need tanks or guns or bombs..... you need about 100 infiltrants with a wirecutter in their pockets.
19:59 < AnimalFarmPig> Maarten: ehhh... doesn't happen often, and it's just a little internet downtime. No big deal.
19:59 < MikeSpears> I rarely have issues with my Spectrum Business line at home
19:59 < rpifan> yayo?
19:59 < rpifan> u been doing coke?
19:59 < MikeSpears> other than cost hah
19:59 < estranger> zayoooooooooooooo
19:59 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: i am a generous god
19:59 < rpifan> i hear coke is 60 bucks a baggie
19:59 < MikeSpears> JFDkthx: you're also a lie like most gods :D
19:59 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: no, you just have more money to blow on IRC than me ;P
19:59 < Heresiarch> TWC/BHN engineering did not fuck around in terms of reliability and infrastructure (despite BHN's attempts to do so).
19:59 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: i have ALL THE MONEY
19:59 < JFDkthx> IT'S PAY DAY
19:59 < estranger> wait
19:59 < Hatter> rpifan: don't say baggie, it doesn't sound cool
19:59 < admiralspark> man I fucking know it, bye bye bills
20:00 < rpifan> what a call it then
20:00 < estranger> yer right, it IS payday
20:00 < Hatter> well probably a gram
20:00 < admiralspark> Hatter: he's like 15, give him a break
20:00 < Hatter> or an 8ball if you're really cool
20:00 < Hatter> oh sorry
20:00 < admiralspark> we didn't know about 8balls back then
20:00 < Hatter> don't do drugs kids
20:00 < rpifan> oh shit
20:00 < rpifan> that reminds me
20:00 < admiralspark> haha
20:00 < hxcsp> mkay
20:00 < rpifan> my last paycheck is now in my aoccount
20:00 < rpifan> i dont wanna look
20:00 < estranger> i cant get to my bank website lol
20:00 < Heresiarch> Hatter: holy crap. Are you talking about drugs? ARE YOU ON DOPE HATTER
20:00 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: wanna do some lines off a stripper's ass?
20:00 < hxcsp> dope hat is ironically a song about drugs
20:01 < Hatter> Heresiarch: I prefer a nice mushroom tea
20:01 < admiralspark> man
20:01 < admiralspark> I was NOT impressed by the shroom tea I had once
20:01 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: no. Day-old ass sweat cakes the coke. Smells horrible, too.
20:01 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: obvs you wipe the ass-table down first
20:01 < hxcsp> skins probably the worst thing you can do coke from
20:01 < officerrando> Hey, invite me! I like doing crimes!
20:01 < Hatter> so many cokeheads in here
20:01 < Hatter> who would have thought
20:01 < AnimalFarmPig> I always thought the hot was detrimental to the mushrooms
20:01  * officerrando is totally not a cop...
20:02 < AnimalFarmPig> better to eat it on warm pizza, imo
20:02 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: sure, but if you're gonna go to that trouble, might as well just get a mirror out and watch the stripper while you snort.
20:02 < ekaj_> Anyone here use nutanix much?
20:03 < rpifan> isnt dope heroine
20:04 < AnimalFarmPig> dope is the stuff that you put on PVC pipe before you cement it
20:04 < officerrando> ^^
20:04 < rpifan> that too im sure u can huff it
20:04 < Heresiarch> and heroine is what the new version of disney princess.
20:04 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
20:04 <@cryptic1> pipe dope is what is put on threads of black iron gas line
20:05 < AnimalFarmPig> cryptic1: I thought that was Loc-Tite?
20:05 < AnimalFarmPig> or JB Weld
20:05 < rpifan> but secks is loc tite
20:05 <@cryptic1> AnimalFarmPig, not for gas lines lol
20:05 < JFDkthx> have a good weekend nerds
20:06 <@cryptic1> later JFDkthx
20:06  * MikeSpears beats rpifan with a hammer
20:07 < hxcsp> so i just need comcast to completely fail at a few more sites and i can start my weekend early
20:07 < hxcsp> anyone in here work for comcast? pull a few strings for me
20:07 < corn266> cryptic1, where is my layer-eight
20:07 <@cryptic1> corn266, you got it de-voiced remember?
20:08 < corn266> woo
20:08 < corn266> `sjw
20:08 <+layer-eight> corn266, you're a chauvinistic, fat-shaming, anti-semitic, neo-con!
20:08 < corn266> noooooooooo
20:08 <@cryptic1> thanks corn266 you ruined it again for everyone
20:08 < corn266> don't worry cryptic1 if you just op me i can fix this
20:09 <@cryptic1> nawp
20:09 < aName> So unrelated to any of that
20:09 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: WHAT YOU SAYIN
20:09 < aName> Have you guys read the Hemp Farming Act?
20:09 < corn266> sounds like something that's already legal, like how owning pot seeds is legal
20:09 < genr8_> of 2014 ?
20:10 < AnimalFarmPig> Between all the other legislation I like to read for enjoyment, I simply haven't had time to fit that one in
20:10 < genr8_> or the new one? 2018 ?
20:10 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: ...wat?
20:10 < aName> genr8_: The one from yesterday
20:10 < aName> genr8_: It explicitly makes cannabis sativa seeds legal
20:10 < genr8_> oh no i diddnt see
20:10 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: old comment, nvm
20:10 < Heresiarch> Anyone dinked around with ansible 2.6 yet and found anything broken they want to share?
20:11 < AnimalFarmPig> hxcsp: I bet if you call one of those "Call before you dig" phone lines, they'll tell you where the comcast lines are
20:11 < aName> genr8_: It sets the THC limit at 0.3%.... but it's a seed
20:11 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: I thought 2.6 isn't released yet?
20:11 < aName> genr8_: Seeds only have residual THC
20:11 < hxcsp> AnimalFarmPig: you are a genius
20:11  * hxcsp runs outside
20:11 < admiralspark> are you using it for *nix clients or Windows?
20:11 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: showed up on the ubuntu repo today.
20:11 < admiralspark> snap
20:11 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: *nix. I get the idea of ansible for Windows, but I think agent-based is a better way to go there.
20:12 < nickadam> why are things getting worse now... has nuclear war begun?
20:12 < aName> "“(1) HEMP.—The term ‘hemp’ means the plant Cannabis sativa L. and any part of that plant, including the seeds thereof and all derivatives, extracts, cannabinoids, isomers, acids, salts, and salts of isomers, whether growing or not, with a delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol concentration of not more than 0.3 percent on a dry weight basis."
20:12 < aName> ... I think this also makes CBD extracts legal
20:12 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: The majority of my ansible stuff is windows but I ahve some linux servers, I'll go run some tests now
20:12 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought CBD extracts were already legal?
20:13 < AnimalFarmPig> I ordered some over the internet like a year ago
20:13 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: thx. I'm still running 2.5, and linting against 2.6 didn't show any errors, but I've also recently been bitten by module changes...
20:13 < genr8_> yeah CBD was legal sort of
20:13 < genr8_> idk
20:14 < aName> AnimalFarmPig: "Sort of"
20:14 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: I have a test enviro I spin up to run all of my playbooks against with each OS, so I'll roll through that and see what was broken/deprecated
20:14 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: ref: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/stable-2.6/changelogs/CHANGELOG-v2.6.rst
20:14 < Heresiarch> (also, I hate the new changelog system)
20:14 < hxcsp> well now my comcast sites are back online
20:14 < hxcsp> i guess im stuck here
20:14 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: thanks for the link
20:19 < dragonfleas> so I've been trying to figure out why my A/C wasn't blowing strong for weeks
20:19 < dragonfleas> i look at the cabin air filter
20:19 < dragonfleas> and i open it
20:19 < MikeSpears> its nasty?
20:19 < dragonfleas> and debris literally FLIES out of it
20:19 < MikeSpears> gross
20:19 < dragonfleas> i was like WTF
20:19 < dragonfleas> so I'm getting a refund at my last service visit
20:20 < dragonfleas> because they said they replaced it
20:20 < dragonfleas> and they didn't
20:20 < dragonfleas> and charged me for it
20:20 < MikeSpears> maybe they did
20:20 < dragonfleas> That was a month ago
20:20 < dragonfleas> there's no fucking way
20:20 < MikeSpears> they replaced it with a used one :D
20:20 < dragonfleas> no
20:20 < dragonfleas> like
20:20 < dragonfleas> the slot for the air filter
20:20 < dragonfleas> was like
20:20 < dragonfleas> exploded with debris
20:20 < MikeSpears> lol
20:20 < MikeSpears> I'm being a tard
20:21 < dragonfleas> do you like braums mikespears?
20:21 < MikeSpears> don't even know what that is
20:21 < dragonfleas> ah, not from the midwest are you
20:22 < dragonfleas> braums is this amazing ice cream and food place
20:24 < coderphive> Blue Bell > *
20:24 < coderphive> You can pair blue bell with anything and it's enjoyable
20:24 < coderphive> even after throwing up when pairing it with alcohol
20:26 < Heresiarch> blue bell is probably the best ice cream you can get from most major grocery stores.
20:27 < AnimalFarmPig> <dragonfleas> do you like braums    <---- do you know how I can tell you're from Oklahoma?
20:29 < dragonfleas> lmaoooo
20:29 < dragonfleas> I just had a burger from braums
20:29 < dragonfleas> it was lit
20:30 <+TuxedoJack> Braum's ain't bad at all
20:30 < grumplestiltzkin> Braums isn't just in hoklagoma, sillypants
20:30 < grumplestiltzkin> coderphive++    if bluebell is an option, bluebell is the corect option
20:31 < alazare619> dragonfleas: you in OK right
20:31 < dragonfleas> yeah i am
20:31 < coderphive> His name is dragonfleas
20:31 < alazare619> dragonfleas: i need a job so i can move there and qualify for SQ788 LOL
20:31 < dragonfleas> LOL
20:31 <@cryptic1> alazare619, stop trying to dox dragonfleas
20:31 < alazare619> his name is robert paulson
20:31 <@cryptic1> final warning!
20:31 < dragonfleas> SQ788 isn't going to kick in for like a year
20:32 < coderphive> cryptic1's full name is Kevin Witterling
20:32 < alazare619> dragonfleas: thats why i'm looking now LOL
20:32 < coderphive> dox'd
20:32 < rhqq> cryptic1: back to work
20:32 < MikeSpears> stop doxing
20:32 < alazare619> Robert Paulson Oklahoma City Oklahoma
20:32 < MikeSpears> lol
20:32 < alazare619> just off the kilpatrick turnpike
20:32 < coderphive> alazare619 someone got it
20:33 <@cryptic1> D:
20:33 < coderphive> cryptic1 hide your kids, hide your wife
20:33 < alazare619> dragonfleas: whats the concensus where you are of SQ788
20:33 < coderphive> that sounded predatory without meme context
20:33 < alazare619> i saw the vote was like 550 to 350
20:34 < coderphive> what is SQ788
20:34 < alazare619> suprising considering weed in OK was like a federal charge not even a misdameanor
20:34 < dragonfleas> alazare619, that it's a good thing
20:34 < alazare619> @coderphive https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3cz3TnBp/image.png
20:34 < dragonfleas> the only people that voted no on it are old people
20:34 < coderphive> I think Texas is voting on medical marijuana this year
20:34 < alazare619> SQ788 is the prop that passed to make oklahoma allow medical marijuana
20:34 < dragonfleas> I honestly can't believe we got oklahoma
20:34 < alazare619> but in all honesty its basically recreational weed..
20:35 < dragonfleas> yeah lmao
20:35 < coderphive> Apparently there's republican support for medical
20:35 < coderphive> in tx
20:35 < alazare619> like i have ADHD
20:35 < coderphive> and we have more dems now
20:35 < dragonfleas> you get pulled over and have weed on you all you have to say is "i have headaches" and you get a 200 dollar ticket
20:35 < dragonfleas> lmao
20:35 < coderphive> so yall goon get ya weed now, ah kay?
20:35 < dragonfleas> yeah oklahoma has legal ranch now
20:35 < alazare619> and weed mellows me out makes me less high strung but i havent smoked in nearly 7 years because of my career and i'm afraid
20:35 < dragonfleas> medical ranch
20:35 < coderphive> lmao
20:35 < dragonfleas> Oh I don't smoke
20:36 < coderphive> as in
20:36 < alazare619> id love to just smoke a j and be chil after work
20:36 < coderphive> ranch dressing"
20:36 < alazare619> not waste 3-4 hrs trying to unwind...
20:36 < coderphive> who outllaws ranch dressing?
20:36 < coderphive> Oklahoma that's who
20:37 < alazare619> dragonfleas: the real irony is you guys got medical / rec weed
20:37 < genr8_> work shouldnt have to be that stressful that you need 3-4 hour to unwind and even start doing weed to compensate
20:37 < alazare619> but still cant sell 6.0 beer at a bar...
20:37 < alazare619> like what kind of ass backwards shit is that
20:37 < grumplestiltzkin> alazare619: have you tried CBD?
20:37 < estranger> is the internet fixed yet?
20:37 < genr8_> yes
20:37 < alazare619> grumplestiltzkin:  its to expensive
20:37 < estranger> sweet good job everyone
20:37 < alazare619> a tiny little 1oz container of it is like 100 bucks here
20:38 < grumplestiltzkin> alazare619: truf.  it is a bit pricey, and  real talk, there is no set dosage. its different for everyone
20:38 < alazare619> right like i'm a SA i make meh ok money i'm middle class i have health insurance 3 kids and a wife with cancer
20:39 < alazare619> i cant afford to pay out of pocket 100 bucks for something i could grow in the ground
20:39 < alazare619> dry
20:39 < alazare619> and roll up and smoke and it cost me nothing...
20:39 < estranger> jsut get weed w/ cbd in it
20:39 < grumplestiltzkin> so like on that 1oz spray with 2mg per 'dose', you might be good with 2 sprays, you might need 8-10 or even more, depending on your body
20:39 < alazare619> estranger: cbd is native to weed...
20:39 < genr8_> one with higher CBD than usual
20:39 < alazare619> CBD is extracted from weed and is the ingredient that mellows
20:39 < estranger> alazare619, different strains have different amounts, sur eim preaching to the choir here =)
20:39 < alazare619> THC is the ingredenit that gets you high
20:40 < grumplestiltzkin> if you get high CBD cannabis with less than 0.3% THC, its legally industrial hemp, and totally legal
20:40 < grumplestiltzkin> 0.03%
20:40  * estranger throws a cake at deww
20:40 < alazare619> if high is the biproduct of mellowing out id rather just grow the weed i could give 2 shits less about getting high i just cant afford the price...
20:40 < estranger> i rather have thc w/ my cbd anyhow =)
20:40 < alazare619> ^
20:41 < alazare619> with SQ788 you can have 6 mature plants
20:41 < alazare619> and 6 seedlings
20:41 < alazare619> if you have a medical license
20:41 < estranger> where do you live?
20:41 < corn266> do the dew estranger
20:41 < estranger> ahh Oklahoma
20:43 < estranger> wish IL would get better laws
20:43 < alazare619> i'm actually about 1 hr from oklahoma
20:43 < alazare619> 45 ish minutes actually
20:44 < alazare619> https://github.com/Mailu/Mailu
20:45 < Sousapro> corn266: I picked up baja blast flavored vape juice last week
20:45 < Sousapro> corn266: can confirm that it makes you a dudebro
20:45 < scwizard> alazare619: that's neat
20:46 < scwizard> first i've heard of it
20:47 < grumplestiltzkin> gatorade flavored vape?
20:47 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: Checked all of my Debian/Ubuntu/Centos7 playbooks and they're all good
20:47 < coderphive> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0557/
20:47 < coderphive> whew boy
20:47 < coderphive> Python just got better
20:47 <@cryptic1> health effects of vaping should be interesting in 20-30 years
20:47 < admiralspark> So far, windows stuff has a bunch of deprecated functions I need to clean but it all works
20:48 < admiralspark> coderphive: eli25?
20:48 < coderphive> I used to smoke heavily, vape now. My lungs have cleared up substantially.
20:48 < coderphive> admiralspark basically you can shove data into a class and perform speedy operations on it like normal languages
20:49 < corn266> Sousapro, but it sounds pretty tastey
20:49 < admiralspark> coderphive: Isn't that what classes already do?
20:49 < coderphive> In normal languages, yes; not in Python historically
20:49 < admiralspark> oh
20:49 < admiralspark> OH
20:49 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: nice! thx
20:50 < admiralspark> this adds a bunch of methods to a new type of class
20:50 < admiralspark> not modifying a Class
20:50 < coderphive> Yeah, once the decorator is applied the class basically gets a bunch of built ins
20:51 < Sousapro> corn266: yeah, it's good lol
20:51 < Sousapro> corn266: I switched out to banana pudding flavor last night
20:54 <+DrGibby|> is Cuntcast back yet?
20:54 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: not completely
20:54 < admiralspark> partial restore
20:54 < admiralspark> BGP is back in some locations
20:54 < coderphive> admiralspark: https://docs.python.org/3/library/dataclasses.html
20:55 < coderphive> This explains it better
20:55 < corn266> Sousapro, I hope you changed out the cotton cause that flavor mix sounds pretty bad
20:55 < coderphive> Basically makes your code more clean
20:55 < coderphive> Less repeated crap
20:55 < Sousapro> corn266: you'd better believe I did lol
20:55 < Sousapro> corn266: mountain dew pudding makes me gag a little
20:56 < MadCamel> bgpeeeee
20:56 <+DrGibby|> ON HIS FARM IS HAD A ROUTE. E I G R P
20:56 < coderphive> I'm willing to bet a backbone took a shit
20:56 <+DrGibby|> FUCK
20:56 <+DrGibby|> ON HIS FARM HE HAD A ROUTE. E I G R P
20:57 < coderphive> WITH A SYN ACK HERE AND A SYN ACK THERE
20:57 < MadCamel> loloal
20:57 <@cryptic1> BGP BGP
20:58 <+DrGibby|> HERE A ROUTE, THERE A ROUTE
20:59 < admiralspark> NOBODY'S GOT ANY ROUTES
20:59 < aName> I always imagine the aliens when I'm explaining TCP to people
20:59 < aName> ACK! ACK ACK!
20:59 < aName> (err, the ones from Mars Attacks!)
21:00 < alazare619> dude...write this on /r/networking old MAC donalds had a farm  E I G R P etc... etc...
21:00 < alazare619> all the updoots
21:00 < aName> lol
21:01 < aName> How's your calcium?
21:01 < MadCamel> the ones from mars attacks are the best.
21:03 < MadCamel> low :(
21:03 < corn266> eat more bell peppers
21:03 <+DrGibby|> https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/8uvq32/old_mac_donald_had_a_route_e_i_g_r_p/
21:03 < coderphive> ON HIS FARM HE HAD UDP
21:03 < coderphive> ..
21:04 < coderphive> ..
21:04 < coderphive> ..
21:04 < coderphive> ON HIS FARM HE HAD A TCP
21:06 < MadCamel> ahh. Now let's get weird and use RDP or SCTP. ip protocols 1 6 and 17 get all the attention :(
21:06 < admiralspark> MadCamel: and 0. Don't forget my bro echo and his replies
21:07 < AnimalFarmPig> I hate when people ask me to solve some shit, I suggest a solution and they say, "I'm not sure how well that's going to scale." Like, bitchpls, I wouldn't have suggested the solution if I thought it wouldn't handle the scale. Who is the engineer here?
21:07 < coderphive> I design everything to fail
21:07 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: make them list their specific scaling concerns and then counter each one in turn
21:07 < MadCamel> icmp is proto 1. 0 is used for some strange ipv6 thinger
21:07 < coderphive> Obv your users have met me
21:07 < admiralspark> and if you cant counter them, then it wont scale
21:08 < admiralspark> MadCamel: maybe YOUR packets are icmp 1
21:08 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: that's what I did. Guy is going to generate about 40 GB of data every six months
21:08 < AnimalFarmPig> I told him that it will fit into RAM indefinitely
21:08 < MadCamel> my packets also set the evil bit so who knows what they're up to
21:08 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: Gotta shut that shit down. My boss has a really hard time with the concept so I am slowly injecting myself in these meetings to do just that. Force resolution, don't avoid conflict, respect the decision.
21:08 < admiralspark> also I'm totally not bitter
21:09 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: 40gb isn't much, good point
21:09 < abakedapplepie> meanwhile i have to explain subnetting to my boss on a monthly basis
21:09 <+DrGibby|> >.>
21:09 < abakedapplepie> no ne here knows anything about networking and its obnoxious
21:09 < coderphive> I fixed it
21:09 < coderphive> We'll go in order
21:10 < coderphive> I started with ON HIS FARM HE HAD ICMP
21:10 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: are they supposed to be networking people? :P
21:10 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: working with a sales engineer. He wants me to use a bunch of exotic shit. I told him I'm using MariaDB.
21:10 < MadCamel> You know, half the time when someone pulls out scaling as an argument.. It's about something that's never going to need to scale
21:10 < xamithan> Why are you trying to explain subnetting to a nontechnical manager
21:10 < coderphive> someone throw in WITH AN ECHO HERE AND AN ECHO THERE
21:10 < xamithan> Just smile and nod
21:10 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: we are an MSP
21:10 < abakedapplepie> i would hope so
21:10 < abakedapplepie> since we are the networking people for other people
21:10 < abakedapplepie> :/
21:10 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: sales guys should never have input at that level :(
21:10 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: oh, I came from that. I, too, wish sysads would learn basic networking shit
21:11 < abakedapplepie> basically if it has anything to do with a network, or vlans, or vpns, or anything at all
21:11 < AnimalFarmPig> "Solutions Architect"
21:11 < abakedapplepie> it falls to me
21:11 < admiralspark> instead of throwing their hands up and shouting ITS A MAGIC BLACK BOX
21:11 < abakedapplepie> regardless of what im doing or in the middle of
21:11 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: oh, you work at Amazon?
21:11 < admiralspark> :P
21:11 < ned0> just got a 502 while trying to check the downdetector comcast outage map
21:12 < abakedapplepie> did hunterkll die
21:12 < Heresiarch> coderphive: s/ICMP/VLANs/ . That way you can do "with a broadcast here and a broadcast there"
21:12 < ned0> the world is ending
21:12 < coderphive> Heresiarch haha I was thinking of doing them in order
21:12 < coderphive> 1-n
21:12 < coderphive> see how ridiculous we can make this go
21:12 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: Two things motivated me to learn automation a few years ago. 1) repetitive bullshit work I had to do because l2 techs couldn't, and 2) people blaming the network and me pulling the SAME LOGS and SAME DATA every time to prove it wasn't
21:12 < Heresiarch> coderphive: fair enough XD
21:12 < abakedapplepie> heh
21:12 < abakedapplepie> ive started automating things as well around here
21:13 < abakedapplepie> but no one uses my automation tools
21:13 < abakedapplepie> then takes my code piecemeal and does it by hand
21:13 < abakedapplepie> and then complains when nothing worked
21:13 < admiralspark> nah fam
21:13 < admiralspark> keep the automation to yourself, remain a network wizard!
21:13 < admiralspark> Grow a long beard too
21:13 < abakedapplepie> i wrote a nice two piece script for automating hyper-v replications using certificate based auth over wan
21:13 < abakedapplepie> something we set up all the time at new clients
21:13 < abakedapplepie> its never been used
21:14 < admiralspark> oh fuck, that sounds sweet
21:14 < abakedapplepie> it is.
21:14 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:14 < admiralspark> I'm debating cutting my proxmox infra over to hyperv to learn something new
21:14 < abakedapplepie> i should make a powershell script repo on my github
21:14 < abakedapplepie> who knows how much longer ill be here
21:14 < abakedapplepie> i dont want to leave my scripts behind
21:15 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: if you pay the $7/mo or whatever it is got GH pro, you get unlimited private repos, totally worth it
21:15 < abakedapplepie> i do have pro
21:15 < coderphive> Why is one of the rules on r/networking "No certification brain dumps"
21:15 < coderphive> Basically a bunch of oldhats
21:15 < coderphive> like spin me up some oldies as soon as that sub loads
21:15 < abakedapplepie> ehh.
21:15 < abakedapplepie> idk. in my experience, with my exposure to coworkers
21:16 < abakedapplepie> certs are largely bogus
21:16 <+DrGibby|> I'm surprised my post has lasted this long, coderphive
21:16 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:16 < Heresiarch> coderphive: because they don't want it to turn into /r/sysadmin's daily "WANT TO MOVE OUT OF HELPDESK TO SYSADM. WHAT DO"
21:16 < abakedapplepie> in my experience
21:16 < coderphive> kek
21:16 < abakedapplepie> like my boss has an associates in "IT"
21:16 < abakedapplepie> hes useless
21:16 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: I love those questions because the answer boils down to get lucky
21:16 < Sousapro> or already have the experience
21:16 < xamithan> How do you do that anyway
21:16 < coderphive> When I heart "IT" I think internal
21:16 < coderphive> like windows domain admin
21:16 < coderphive> or middleware admin
21:17 < xamithan> I quit my helpdesk job because it sucked and moved cities
21:17 < admiralspark> coderphive: because they have large org lurkers
21:17 < abakedapplepie> i have no clue what he learned in his associates degree
21:17 < coderphive> change my mind
21:17 < abakedapplepie> because he constantly interjects in things he doesnt understand
21:17 < abakedapplepie> with solutions that make no sense
21:17 < coderphive> good
21:17 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: essentially. Similar with those who think they can get an MCSA/MCSE and it's an auto-sysadmin job.
21:17 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: an associates in something means that you're vaguely aware
21:17 < abakedapplepie> but hes got a degree so i have to take him seriously
21:17 < abakedapplepie> >.>
21:17 < abakedapplepie> No, Bill, you can't set two gateways on a DC's NIC
21:17 < abakedapplepie> it doesnt work that way
21:17 < coderphive> "Maybe if we add this playdough, it'll make the task more funlike"
21:17 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: an AS means nothing
21:17 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: a BS means you're probably teachable
21:17 <+DrGibby|> well, you *can*
21:17 < coderphive> "but redundancy"
21:18 < abakedapplepie> ugh.
21:18  * DrGibby| hugs abakedapplepie 
21:18 < alazare619> so unRAID deals with its "arrays" oddly
21:18 < alazare619> each drive is its own /dev/md
21:18 < abakedapplepie> "all the things stopped working when i switched the lan over to the new gateway"
21:18 < abakedapplepie> gee
21:18 < abakedapplepie> i wonder what you did this time
21:18 < Heresiarch> coderphive: you're not wrong, but your perspective is also highly uncommon. Much of the population of back-office admins think SRE is techno-magic.
21:18 < alazare619> so i have 4 drives and 4 /dev/md(1,2,3,4)
21:18 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: I've known folks who keep stacking certs, spend every weekend working on their hyper-v or ESXi labs and still can't get a break
21:18 < coderphive> Let's add six domain controllers and see who takes king of the hill
21:18 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: I'm about to the point of telling them to lie on interviews
21:18 < coderphive> Heresiarch :o
21:18 < coderphive> Heresiarch I'm a wizard?
21:18 < abakedapplepie> sounds like they need to have someone look at their resume
21:19 < abakedapplepie> thats absurd
21:19 < Heresiarch> coderphive: well, in days past you'd have been a UNIX admin. So...kinda.
21:19 < abakedapplepie> i have no certs, no formal education
21:19 < coderphive> Some of my colleagues have gone into internal SRE roles, which I think is really changing the landscape
21:19 < abakedapplepie> and im pretty sure im the smartest guy here >.>
21:19 < abakedapplepie> and thats scary
21:19 < abakedapplepie> because im not that smart
21:19 < abakedapplepie> all the best employees we hire leave after 6 months
21:19 < abakedapplepie> which is quite telling
21:19 < xamithan> What if they hired an indian to do their resume
21:20 < xamithan> They lie all the time
21:20 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: here's the thing. A lot of those folk think that simply having technical knowledge is sufficient. They don't really get context.
21:20 < abakedapplepie> theres probably other things too
21:20 < coderphive> haha actually
21:20 < abakedapplepie> personality issues
21:20 < coderphive> Home Depot is quite interesting
21:20 < abakedapplepie> SRE?
21:20 < coderphive> They assigned an SRE to their mainframes
21:20 < abakedapplepie> Subject <something> expert?
21:20 < coderphive> obvious goals are obvious
21:21 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: devops with more dev.
21:21 < abakedapplepie> ohh
21:21 < abakedapplepie> site reliability engineer
21:21 < abakedapplepie> gotcha
21:21 < coderphive> The mainframe is now getting shut down xD
21:21 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:21 < coderphive> I think HD also moved entirely off of Oracle too
21:22 < coderphive> iirc
21:22 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: right but how do you get there?
21:22 < grumplestiltzkin> strongbad_the_system_is_down.mp4
21:23 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: unfortunately, these days a lot of it is luck. And a lot is also research - looking for knowledge for its own sake, not just for getting a better salary.
21:23 < coderphive> honestly, as a college drop out I will tell you this is never the route you want to go
21:23 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: let's say someone has A+, N+, MCSA Windows Server, CCNA and 5 years of tier 2 helpdesk support. How does said person get a sysadmin gig?
21:23 < coderphive> You'll be constantly kicked in the balls
21:23 < coderphive> Sousapro to me it says incapable of exercising knowledge
21:23 < abakedapplepie> Sousapro: apply
21:23 < coderphive> at first glance anyway
21:23 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:23 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: these days, most likely an MSP. But the days of back-office admins are constricting.
21:23 < coderphive> They'd probably get an interview from me though
21:23 < abakedapplepie> those credentials are more than enough for a SMB sysadmin
21:23 < scwizard> ahh
21:24 < scwizard> i'm getting friday brain
21:24 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: "you don't have any sysadmin experience. round file"
21:24 < abakedapplepie> but yeah, the MSP answer is the right answer
21:24 < abakedapplepie> you learn A LOT at an msp
21:24 < Sousapro> that just sounds brutal though
21:24 < abakedapplepie> and get exposed to many many many different, unique, challenging environments
21:24 < Sousapro> here's a firehose, drink up
21:24 < abakedapplepie> ive been with an MSP for 6 years :|
21:24 < Sousapro> jesus
21:24 < scwizard> Sousapro: why do people even list A+
21:24 < Sousapro> I'm sorry
21:24 < abakedapplepie> me too
21:24 < abakedapplepie> its really shot myself in the foot
21:24 < abakedapplepie> i should have left 3 years ago
21:24 < Sousapro> scwizard: because it means you know what a desktop computer is and how a laser printer works
21:24 < abakedapplepie> id probably be making double
21:25 < admiralspark> https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8uukck/comcast_level_3_issues_east_cost_midwest/e1ibsuc/
21:25 < Sousapro> scwizard: it's like listing a high school diploma on your resume
21:25 < scwizard> exactly
21:25 < Sousapro> scwizard: if that's all you have, it proves you have a desire to learn IT
21:25 < scwizard> no it doesn't
21:25 < Sousapro> scwizard: although I'd want to see more than that
21:25 < scwizard> it proves you have a desire to get a job
21:25 < scwizard> and that you're a sucker
21:25 < Sousapro> those aren't mutally exclusive
21:25 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: the other option is to say "f*ck the MS stack", and go for linux admin/devops. But that's a lot more time investment in research, and a lot less structure.
21:26 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: sure but you're far better off getting a bachelors in computer science if you plan to go that way
21:26 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: yeeeup.
21:26 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: especially if you don't have anyone to be mentored by
21:26 < grumplestiltzkin> you can get a tier 1 jerb srsly by having a pulse and not being a douche
21:27 < Sousapro> grumplestiltzkin: sure but getting out of that position SUCKS
21:27 < scwizard> tbh
21:27 < Sousapro> grumplestiltzkin: took me 4 years
21:27 < Kobe`> does it?
21:27 < scwizard> i failed an interview for a tier 1 dropbox support job :(
21:27 < Kobe`> i was ab le to do it in 1 year
21:27 < Kobe`> with 0 training
21:27 < Kobe`> and just google/irc
21:27 < abakedapplepie> scwizard rofl
21:27 < Sousapro> Kobe`: depends on your luck on where you are
21:27 < admiralspark> Didn't for me. Need to learn to volunteer for shit that will look good on a resume at work
21:27 < Sousapro> Kobe`: was this in 2008 when you couldn't buy an IT job?
21:27 < admiralspark> or work at an MSP and just ignore t1/2/3 boundaries
21:27 < Kobe`> idk Sousapro  to get out i just told a story about the hardest thing i had to fix
21:27 < scwizard> i suck at getting jobs
21:27 < Kobe`> and just told them i coudl google anything else
21:27 < abakedapplepie> 1) What the fuck is a dropbox admin and b) how do you fail at tier 1 lol
21:28 < Kobe`> it was 2010~
21:28 < coderphive> :|
21:28 < corn266> scwizard, "The building is literally on fire, what do you do?" "ugh... make a ticket?"
21:28 < scwizard> abakedapplepie: my interview skills are abysmal
21:28 < Sousapro> Kobe`: yeah, right place at the right time
21:28 < abakedapplepie> oh, me too
21:28 < coderphive> tbh if all else fails just ping -f 192.168.1.1
21:28 < Kobe`> i went from 15/hr to 75k just by "yeah i can google it"
21:28 < grumplestiltzkin> abakedapplepie: your pulse stops or you become a douche is how you fail tier 1   sensiblechuckle.gif
21:28 < abakedapplepie> i lost a $10k scholarship because i cant interview for shit
21:28 < abakedapplepie> :|
21:28 < Kobe`> Sousapro,  def wasn't luck no one helped me
21:28 < abakedapplepie> and lots of other things... tools, a computer, software licenses
21:28 < admiralspark> Like I said yesterday. To be successful, you need to 1) know how to interview, 2) know how to sell yourself to management (both tied to #1 and in reporting to your boss), and 3) be motivated to learn
21:28 < scwizard> i heard from a place "look there's no issue with your technical skills, but you lack the communication skills for this linux sysadmin role"
21:28 < admiralspark> in that order
21:28 < Kobe`> i guess otehr than irc when i came in and asked stupid querstions like "how do you turn off a linux box"
21:28 < scwizard> i was pretty much ready to jump off a bridge when i heard that ngl
21:29 < narziss> once i notice i dont want to work for the interviewers, or their office sucks, i turn against them, get them on the defensive.
21:29 < admiralspark> scwizard: very common on this field
21:29 < admiralspark> scwizard: look at going into a NOC?
21:29 < AnimalFarmPig> one of my friends was interviewing a guy today-- 'after I gave him a few whiteboard questions he jokingly said he was gonna give me one, and then my boss said "do it". So I had a whiteboard question in an interview I was conducting'
21:29 < narziss> dont do a NOC.
21:29 < scwizard> admiralspark: well i have a job now as a devops consultant
21:29 < narziss> "continental shifts" are what you have to look forward to.
21:29 < admiralspark> holy shit
21:29 < admiralspark> nevermind, you're fine
21:29 < SysopN> Wow fearless
21:29 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig hah
21:29 < admiralspark> hahah
21:29 < abakedapplepie> AnimalFarmPig: dont leave us hanging, what was the question
21:29 < coderphive> That's actually cool
21:29 < AnimalFarmPig> abakedapplepie: I don't know, I'll ask
21:29 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, sounds like a fun guy
21:29 < SysopN> But it shows initiative
21:30 < coderphive> Sounds like a fun uncle kind of boss
21:30 < AnimalFarmPig> apparently he worked on Wing Commander earlier in his career, so much be old guy who doesn't give a shit
21:30 < Sousapro> Kobe`: depends on market and luck tbh
21:30 < scwizard> admiralspark: but yeah before that, I did fail a dropbox tech support group interview so yeah
21:30 < Kobe`> nah tbf alot of it was interviewing skills
21:30 < Sousapro> Kobe`: glad to hear you spent less than the average tenure in helpdesk
21:30 < narziss> Wing Commander? the pew pew game?
21:30 < AnimalFarmPig> I told me friend to ask him about "Thank you for playing Wing Commander"
21:30 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah
21:30 < admiralspark> scwizard: maybe it's good you didn't get the dropbox job
21:30 < narziss> Came out around same time as doom2 ?
21:30 < narziss> luls
21:30  * Heresiarch waves a lighter for Origin
21:30 < Sousapro> Kobe`: the funny part is that every job I've interviewed for I've gotten
21:30 < Kobe`> i did spend 7 years doing manual labor/retail
21:30 < darkscrypt> sup
21:30 < Sousapro> Kobe`: the bigger problem was my resume going into the trash
21:30 < Kobe`> i just had no direction
21:31 < admiralspark> Sousapro: All of my buddies who worked helldesk weren't there more than 2 years
21:31 < coderphive> I write code that doesn't do anything and commit it to repos
21:31 < coderphive> and get paid
21:31 < narziss> lol
21:31 < admiralspark> four years is insane. That means you either can't interview or have no motivation
21:31 < admiralspark> which isn't necessarily bad
21:31 < coderphive> Also, I like the lights off
21:31 < admiralspark> coderphive: #enterpriseapps
21:31 < narziss> I was about 8 months without a job.
21:31 < coderphive> and I don't wear shoes
21:32 < narziss> And I have like 15+ yrs experience.
21:32 < coderphive> Also I wear jeans and conference tees every day
21:32 < narziss> ME TOO MAN
21:32 < coderphive> I do shower tho
21:32 < narziss> i havent washed these pants in...
21:32 < admiralspark> I do the jeans but that shirt needs to be buttoned up
21:32 < narziss> i am wearing a free tshirt from New Relic that says Data Geek.
21:32 < narziss> (I can barely count)
21:32 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm wearing five finger shoes, shorts, and a hawaiian shirt today
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> (cargo shorts, of course)
21:33 < coderphive> yass
21:33 < narziss> you sound like IT
21:33 < coderphive> the hawaiian
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> it's important to project the right image
21:33 < Matt_YO> do you have a triforce necklace on!??
21:33 < abakedapplepie> AnimalFarmPig: jesus christ.
21:33 < coderphive> "this hawaiian is in fact button up and conforms to HR regulations"
21:33 < coderphive> "js"
21:34 < abakedapplepie> do you also have a soulpatch and unkempt hair of an awkward length
21:34 < coderphive> actually I do
21:34 <+DrGibby|> not a soulpatch
21:34 < coderphive> but I'm also bald
21:34 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:34 < AnimalFarmPig> beard and a pony tail, ofc
21:34 < narziss> https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2014/11/12/17/web-dr-taylor.jpg?w968h681
21:34 <+DrGibby|> a neckbeard
21:34 < Matt_YO> when i started here, the it dept had hawaiian shirt friday
21:34 < Matt_YO> thank god that died away
21:34 < AnimalFarmPig> no moustache, just an abe lincoln looking beard
21:34 < abakedapplepie> idk
21:34 < abakedapplepie> 5 toe shoes
21:34 < abakedapplepie> goes well with a soulpatch
21:35 < Matt_YO> soul patch like the guy from hak5?
21:35 < grumplestiltzkin> only if evil twin
21:35 < AnimalFarmPig> Matt_YO: Hawaiian shirts are awesome. So comfortable
21:35 < AnimalFarmPig> and easy to conceal a full size double stack service pistol in an OWB holster
21:35 < coderphive> post ur nudes: https://avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/8207468?s=460&v=4
21:35 < narziss> soul patches are for bald people.
21:35 < narziss> same with those stupid caps
21:35 < grumplestiltzkin> flat caps?
21:35 < abakedapplepie> a kippah?
21:35 < narziss> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1350/3365/products/2_01-05.jpg?v=1504101006
21:35 < AnimalFarmPig> trilby?
21:35 < narziss> THIS HAT IS FOR BALD PEOPLE ONLY FOLKS
21:35 < abakedapplepie> ahh
21:35 < abakedapplepie> yes
21:35 < narziss> IT AINT CUTE
21:35 < Matt_YO> hahaha
21:35 < coderphive> martin fowler cap
21:35 < coderphive> that's what I call it
21:35 < Matt_YO> but if you are bald, it is OK right??
21:36 < abakedapplepie> i just call them golf caps
21:36 < abakedapplepie> do they have a name?
21:36 < narziss> yes, but you are just announcing you are bald.
21:36 < abakedapplepie> i would rock one on the links
21:36 < abakedapplepie> if i played golf
21:36 < coderphive> they're universally recognized as martin fowler caps
21:36 < narziss> get a can of spray paint that matches your natural hair colour and go wild.
21:36 <+DrGibby|> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/4xijusSN/image.png
21:36 < grumplestiltzkin> outside the US, that is a popular hat.  you hardly ever see ball caps, and they scream tourist
21:36 < Matt_YO> i can confirm, i am bald and have one of those!!! Lol!!!
21:36 < abakedapplepie> ive never heard of martin fowler
21:36 < Matt_YO> im a stereotype!!! i love it
21:36 < narziss> can even extend your sideburns in a snap.
21:36 < narziss> matt haaa
21:37 < coderphive> DrGibby| is that u bae
21:37 <+DrGibby|> no
21:37 < narziss> does it feel good on your dome?
21:37 < coderphive> unfortunate
21:37 <+DrGibby|> thats the guy from hak5 someone mentioned
21:37 < abakedapplepie> first google image result for "martin fowler hat" - https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/79787739/mf-tg-sq_400x400.jpg
21:37 < Matt_YO> worst case, 90% know you are bald, but the other 10% arent certain.  so that is a win
21:37 < coderphive> abakedapplepie martin fowler is a legend
21:37 < coderphive> google himz
21:37 < abakedapplepie> coderphive is a lie
21:37 < coderphive> Im going to start wearing one of those caps in my punk attire
21:38 < coderphive> maybe the hipster girls will like me
21:38 < abakedapplepie> not even the right hat
21:38 < AnimalFarmPig> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_cap
21:38 < coderphive> the post is rising btw
21:38 < coderphive> 6 upvotes
21:38 < coderphive> not quite fire yet
21:38 < coderphive> but it's gettin lit fam
21:39 < abakedapplepie> what post
21:39 < coderphive> https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/8uvq32/old_mac_donald_had_a_route_e_i_g_r_p/
21:39 < abakedapplepie> roflmao
21:39 < abakedapplepie> how was that not deleted
21:39 < coderphive> bc network engineers actually work during the day
21:40 < coderphive> they're all doing implementations rn
21:40 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:40 < abakedapplepie> its friday tho
21:40 < coderphive> pasting cisco configs like losers
21:40 < coderphive> wondering why their wives hate them
21:40 < abakedapplepie> is ROF not a thing in the networking world lol
21:40 <+DrGibby|> watch your tongue
21:40 < MikeSpears> setting the servers on fire
21:40 < coderphive> and their daughter becky is in a relationship with a guy named chad
21:40 < MikeSpears> ROF is a lie
21:40 <+DrGibby|> yes, ROF is a thing in networking
21:40 <+DrGibby|> its a thing in IT
21:40 < MikeSpears> I thought it was WOF
21:41 < MikeSpears> write only friday
21:41 < coderphive> Friday aka Firewall Friday
21:41 < coderphive> implement new rules so everyone is locked out Monday
21:41 < MikeSpears> rm the firewall config
21:41 < jaelae> rackspace is really pushing for customers to use amazon AWS
21:42 < abakedapplepie> why
21:42 < Heresiarch> jaelae: um...yeah. They've pretty well deprecated their own cloud business.
21:42 < technonerd> https://twitter.com/joangralla/status/1012761031922409473?s=21
21:42 < coderphive> DrGibby| I came from NE
21:42 < jaelae> cause they keep having outages
21:42 < abakedapplepie> i havent paid attention to RS in years
21:42 < coderphive> DrGibby| I can joke about my past
21:42 < jaelae> which is making us want to get out of rackspace
21:42 < MikeSpears> rackspace sucks
21:42 < jaelae> technically we use datapipe but rackspace bought them
21:42 < jaelae> and since then they keep making changes that cause bizarre issues
21:42 <+DrGibby|> coderphive: NO
21:42 <+DrGibby|> YOU CANT
21:43 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: they basically told us, "we can't compete with AWS/Azure, so we're moving toward being a support org for the major clouds"
21:43 < coderphive> YES
21:43 < coderphive> FAM
21:43 <+DrGibby|> YOU LEFT THEM THEREFORE YOU CANT
21:43 < abakedapplepie> technonerd: erm, are people really calling 911 because their internet is down
21:43 <+DrGibby|> (so did I)
21:43 < coderphive> kek
21:43 < coderphive> "THEM"
21:43  * DrGibby| shrugs
21:43 < technonerd> i guess so
21:43 < jaelae> abakedapplepie:  gotta binge luke cage
21:43 < coderphive> If the internet was a utility you literally could call 911 bc your internet is down
21:43 < abakedapplepie> luke cage??
21:43 <+DrGibby|> abakedapplepie: people call 911 for dumb shit man
21:43 < abakedapplepie> is there a new season or something
21:43  * coderphive waits for NN discussion
21:44 < jaelae> yea season 2 is up
21:44  * coderphive watches bait
21:44 < abakedapplepie> coderphive: you dont call 911 for down utilities
21:44 < abakedapplepie> ... lol
21:44 < coderphive> Yes, you can
21:44 < genr8_> why not
21:44 <+DrGibby|> 911 whats your emergency?
21:44 < abakedapplepie> so i can call 911 tomorrow when i get hit with a brownout because everyone is turning their AC on at the same time
21:44 < coderphive> You can call 911 after hours and they will force power and water to come out and service you after a home inspection
21:44 < coderphive> real life
21:45 < coderphive> yes
21:45 <+DrGibby|> I CAN'T FUCKING STREAM MY FUCKING ANIMOOO REEEEEE
21:45 < abakedapplepie> wat
21:45 < coderphive> <- works for a smart utility company
21:45 < abakedapplepie> ive never heard of any such thing
21:45 < AnimalFarmPig> abakedapplepie: tfw no house UPS :(
21:45 < genr8_> same if you have no heat
21:45 < hello_kitty> I'm new to using ssl certs. Should these things exist in a particular folder with particular permissions?
21:45 < abakedapplepie> AnimalFarmPig: lol a whole house UPS?
21:45 < AnimalFarmPig> abakedapplepie: one can dream
21:45 < coderphive> Tesla makes one of those
21:45 < AnimalFarmPig> ^
21:46 < AnimalFarmPig> pretty sure it requires a grid connection though
21:46 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: they should have perms and be in directories that the webserver can access.
21:46 < coderphive> it does
21:46 < AnimalFarmPig> needs it for timing the inverter
21:46 < abakedapplepie> really?
21:46 < AnimalFarmPig> err... you know what I mean
21:46 < abakedapplepie> thats insane
21:46 < abakedapplepie> not hard to generate a 60hz waveform
21:46 < coderphive> It only lasts like 30 minutes
21:46 < coderphive> spoiler alert
21:47 < coderphive> but you can hook it up to a genny and a relay
21:47 < coderphive> boom, smooth power transition
21:47 < abakedapplepie> so it just needs any 60hz 120v reference line
21:47 < genr8_> try /etc/ssl/ usually with a certs/ subdir for public/ and private/ for private which is locked down and shouldnt be able to get into it really
21:47 < hello_kitty> Heresiarch: my webserver is nginx, and it runs as root. So is cert folder 700, and cert files 600, all owned by root good?
21:48 < AnimalFarmPig> I think it lasts a bit longer than that. They're fairly high capacity, and you can stack them. Also, they're very efficient at charging and discharging. The power wall is basically the only Tesla product that I actually want.
21:48 < coderphive> I actually chmod -R 777 *.crt from /
21:48 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: should be fine. That said, you should be running the webserver as something other than root. Depending on your distro, this might be "nobody" or "www-data"
21:48 < coderphive> technically speaking all web servers are started as root :x
21:49 < coderphive> privileged ports
21:49 < Heresiarch> coderphive: this isn't the 90s anymore, we have privsep.
21:49 < genr8_> you can use the group
21:49 < coderphive> They just spawn workers under a different user
21:49 < AnimalFarmPig> ^ hopefully
21:49 < hello_kitty> i left nginx on default configuration... im gonna go see who the workers run as
21:50 < abakedapplepie> probably nginx
21:50 < coderphive> nginx
21:50 < abakedapplepie> but it depends on your distro i think?
21:50 < agent_white> Finished up my jr sysadmin interview. they asked me to interview for a jr dev slot as well. So either it went super bad, or super well... I can't tell.
21:50 < abakedapplepie> at least with apache, its httpd on centos
21:50 < coderphive> on centos it'll be httpd
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> lol, the hubris of apache calling itself httpd
21:50 < coderphive> bc centos is facism
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> s/hubris/presumption
21:50 < AnimalFarmPig> or some such
21:50 < abakedapplepie> AnimalFarmPig: that was something the centos repo maintainers did no?
21:50 < coderphive> :|
21:50 < Heresiarch> AnimalFarmPig: ...not sure if trolling. Well played.
21:50 < genr8_> i hate all these different distros fuck
21:51 < abakedapplepie> i guess im also not sure if trolling
21:51 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:51 < AnimalFarmPig> abakedapplepie: I think that has been the standard since a long time
21:51 < coderphive> actually
21:51 < AnimalFarmPig> like, it's an apache decision
21:51 < coderphive> nginx is the most prevalent of what I was saying
21:52 < coderphive> You'll see one thing started by root and the others run as nginx
21:52 < hello_kitty> I'm on ubuntu, and it looks like it has 2 running as root and 2 running as www-data (i think the root ones are so it can use 80,443)
21:52 < coderphive> iirc
21:52 < coderphive> yas
21:52 < coderphive> I win
21:52  * abakedapplepie hands coderphive a gold star 
21:52 < coderphive> thnk u
21:52 < Maarten> i agree.... the great thing about linux is its openness, its freedom, the way you can totally customize it. The bad thing about linux is that every disgruntled dev can fork off their own distro. Result: hundreds of distros and nu uniformity. :(
21:52 < abakedapplepie> make sure to sew it to your chest
21:52 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought it was www-data on debian and ubuntu, but yall seemed so sure
21:52 < abakedapplepie> so everyone knows youre a winner
21:52 < genr8_> same for debian honestly
21:52 < coderphive> abakedapplepie I will
21:53 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig that's apache
21:53 < genr8_> its just its both root AND www-data
21:53 < genr8_> oh yea apache
21:53 < coderphive> service users are a apache concept iirc
21:53 < coderphive> hence in centos everything is httpd
21:53 < AnimalFarmPig> coderphive: I think all/most web servers on debian and ubuntu run as www-data
21:53 < coderphive> oh
21:54 < AnimalFarmPig> I know if I'm setting perms for things accessed by nginx or yaws, it's all www-data
21:54 < coderphive> I remembered them being nginx, but I can be wrong
21:54 < abakedapplepie> ubuntu is special
21:54 < hello_kitty> i'm not really sure what a good configuration would be for my permissions (i'm not great at linux).. i've got ansible setting up these servers and deploying a node application, everything runs as root in the test script (which i don't want)...part of the ansible play is to disable root login and create a new user... should I then run the node application as my new user? or as www-data...?
21:54 < AnimalFarmPig> <---- unironically running yaws for a personal site
21:54 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: www-data
21:54 < abakedapplepie> wtf is yaws
21:54 < hxcsp> i read yaws as yawn and yawned
21:54 < abakedapplepie> i assume its "yet another webserver" but wtf is it
21:54 < coderphive> AnimalFarmPig you're right
21:54 < abakedapplepie> never heard of it
21:54 < coderphive> www-data is what the user stuff is run as
21:55 < AnimalFarmPig> abakedapplepie: webserver written in erlang
21:55 < abakedapplepie> why
21:55 < AnimalFarmPig> part of the LYME stack
21:55 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:55 < abakedapplepie> i dont want lyme disease
21:55 < coderphive> Linux, YAWS, Mongo, Erlang?
21:55 < AnimalFarmPig> presumably it integrates well with Erlang web applications. I'm just using it for a static site, because it's funny.
21:55 < AnimalFarmPig> Linux, Yaws, Mnesia, Erlang
21:56 < coderphive> Mnesia
21:56 < Heresiarch> ...
21:56 < coderphive> wow
21:56 < AnimalFarmPig> that's Erlang's embedded distributed database
21:56 < coderphive> POST IS UP TO 9 BOIS
21:56 < AnimalFarmPig> amazing name
21:56 < Heresiarch> ...that's a demented thing to call a database.
21:56 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:56 < abakedapplepie> didnt even think about that
21:56 < abakedapplepie> very true
21:57 < abakedapplepie> ill always get a chuckle out of F5 load balancers
21:57 < abakedapplepie> since F5 is refresh
21:57 < abakedapplepie> :P
21:58 < Heresiarch> and their web uis occasionally break on a refresh.
21:58 < hello_kitty> so does this sound good? create new user, disable root login, checkout my program, chown my /srv/node-app to www-data, and then in my node-app.service file make the user www-data. The certs stay as root b/c presumably the root workers of nginx are the ones that access the cert (??)
21:59 < Sousapro> admiralspark: my problem is that I did desktop support -> help desk -> sysadmin
21:59 < hello_kitty> i'm just nuking servers and setting them back up w/ ansible until it looks good
21:59 < Sousapro> admiralspark: 0/10 would not recommend
21:59 < hello_kitty> there's also the element of checking out the application from git..for which i made a deploy key.. so i think t hat's good for that part
22:00 < genr8_> yea leave certs as root root and set the perms accordingly
22:00 < scwizard> Sousapro: from that journey you get a detailed understanding of why its important to have sysadmins
22:01 < Sousapro> scwizard: sure but so would jr sysadmin -> sysadmin
22:01 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: sounds good. Does node need to be restarted when you pull a new version of code?
22:01 < Sousapro> but jr sysadmin is dead
22:01 < dragonfleas> I'm so tired of shitting my brains out at work
22:01 < scwizard> Sousapro: true
22:01 < Sousapro> scwizard: it's rough when you have to make your own internship
22:02 < Sousapro> scwizard: otoh, I've never lost data so maybe the training was worth it?
22:02 < hello_kitty> yea, so far it runs npm install and then restarts the service.. so far all as root
22:02 < scwizard> dragonfleas: compared to shitting at home?
22:02 < scwizard> idk
22:02 < hello_kitty> i gues it'll do it as www-data now
22:02 < dragonfleas> i can get naked shitting at home
22:02 < scwizard> poopin at work isn't so bad
22:02 < dragonfleas> naked shits make me feel better
22:02 < hello_kitty> is it going too far to actually login to the server as www-data...?
22:02 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: if you have any global npm modules, those should be as root.
22:03 < scwizard> hello_kitty: sudo -u www-data /bin/bash <- good for debugging
22:03 < genr8_> you dont need to login as it you can do it with sudo
22:03 < genr8_> or that.
22:05 < darkscrypt> abakedapplepie: i always think f5 networks are refreshing
22:05 < hxcsp> OOOOOOOOOOOHHHH
22:06  * DrGibby| kicks darkscrypt 
22:06  * JollyRgrs kicks DrGibby|
22:06 <+DrGibby|> :(
22:06  * darkscrypt kicks jomo_ 
22:06 <+DrGibby|> y tho
22:06 < darkscrypt> um.
22:06  * darkscrypt kicks JollyRgrs 
22:07  * cryptic1 kicks DrGibby| too
22:07 < hello_kitty> is there such thing as running service/systemctl commands as non-root?
22:07 <@JollyRgrs> not nice to kick our friends
22:07 <+DrGibby|> cryptic1: get back to work
22:07  * cryptic1 kicks darkscrypt don't you dare!!
22:07 <@cryptic1> D:
22:07 <+DrGibby|> cryptic1: turn that drown upside down
22:07  * darkscrypt kicks cryptic1 
22:07 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: no
22:07 <@cryptic1> :D
22:07 <+DrGibby|> cryptic1: :D
22:07 < darkscrypt> turn that drown upside down?
22:07 <+DrGibby|> frown
22:07  * JollyRgrs throws mashed potatos (with gravy) at darkscrypt
22:07 <+DrGibby|> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT
22:07 <@cryptic1> i knew what he meant
22:07 < darkscrypt> food master.. thank you!
22:07  * JollyRgrs throws green beans at DrGibby|
22:07 <+DrGibby|> I like green beans
22:07  * cryptic1 drowns darkscrypt 
22:08 <@cryptic1> :D
22:08  * darkscrypt jumps on DrGibby| so that his gravy mixes with the DrGibby| beans
22:08 <+DrGibby|> is this some kind of weird food fetish you all have or something?
22:08 < darkscrypt> cryptic1: oh no, you decrypted my rsa
22:09 < darkscrypt> DrGibby|: i wouldn't call it weird...... seems normal to me
22:09 < DomLS3> what the shit is this. DrGibby| been gone for like 3 months. Comes back 1 day and gets +v
22:09 <+DrGibby|> I have +v?
22:09 < darkscrypt> we missed DrGibby|
22:09 <+DrGibby|> oh
22:09 <+DrGibby|> I do
22:09  * DrGibby| shrugs
22:10 < hxcsp> stole it
22:10 < darkscrypt> +v stands for plus virgin
22:10 <+DrGibby|> D:
22:10 < darkscrypt> that's why i'm always -v
22:10 < hxcsp> darkscrypt: so you are implying you are pretty loose then
22:10 < darkscrypt> hxcsp: not implying... its implicit
22:10 < hxcsp> lol
22:10 < hello_kitty> oh cool attributes on ansible include_tasks propagate to the subtasks, according to some docs about 2.5...  so i can possibly become: www-data at that level
22:11 < darkscrypt> does the name ansible come from ender's game?
22:11 < darkscrypt> is that where they named it from? like python was from monty python
22:12 < hello_kitty> i think its from an old sci fi book
22:12 < hello_kitty> its like FTL messages or something
22:12 < darkscrypt> yeah.. that would be enders game.. / that series in general
22:12 < darkscrypt> yup yup. ansible communications
22:12 < Heresiarch> hello_kitty: be careful of that - ansible has changed propagation of attributes before. At the least, you'll want to keep all of the tasks that become www-data in one section/playbook.
22:12 < darkscrypt> and jane :)
22:13 < coderphive> immutable your life
22:13 < coderphive> Free fun fact
22:14 < coderphive> Next one costs you
22:18 < blinkingprompt> .donger
22:18 < blinkingprompt> ...
22:21 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, enders game was hte first of a series of lik e9  books.  the second one was called 'speaker for the dead', same main character 'ender'.  I couldn't get into it
22:21 < grumplestiltzkin> never finished
22:21 < nthdevops> I somewhat enjoyed the movie
22:22 < abakedapplepie> dragonfleas: get an enema
22:23 <@cryptic1> guys feenode channel user cals are at an all time low
22:23 < blinkingprompt> they need to remake Dune
22:23 < abakedapplepie> they are
22:23 < blinkingprompt> to save Star Wars
22:23 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:23 < abakedapplepie> its happening
22:23 < blinkingprompt> i hope
22:23 < blinkingprompt> Star Wars was ruined
22:23 < abakedapplepie> http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/dune/260180/dune-remake-will-be-at-least-two-movies
22:23 <@cryptic1> i am going to have to start issuing rolling backout mutes
22:24 < blinkingprompt> Lucas stole it all from Dune anyways
22:24 < Heresiarch> blinkingprompt: please no. Star Wars can't be saved, and Dune has already been poorly done once.
22:24 <@cryptic1> to specific users or even the whole channel
22:24 < blinkingprompt> agree poorly done once but it was the 80s
22:24 < abakedapplepie> aww it wasnt that bad
22:24 < abakedapplepie> it was endearing
22:24 <@cryptic1> sorry please see notice above
22:24 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQeP6GWU0e4
22:25 < abakedapplepie> /slmgr.vbs /rearm
22:25 < blinkingprompt> The shield turns the fast blow, admits the slow kindjal!
22:25 < grumplestiltzkin> quickdraw mcgraw over here
22:26 < blinkingprompt> a Dune video game would be good
22:26 < abakedapplepie> dune 2000 was my favorite game of the day
22:26 < sideup66> Who broke comcast
22:26 < abakedapplepie> fuck c&c and warcraft
22:26 < abakedapplepie> dune 2k or bust
22:26 < sideup66> Felda did you flood Comcast with pfsense memes
22:26 < nthdevops> They probably just need to reboot
22:26 < abakedapplepie> lol
22:26 < abakedapplepie> someone call their ops team and tell tem to turn it off and on again
22:26 < nthdevops> or update pfsense
22:26 < nthdevops> and then reboot
22:27 < abakedapplepie> report back
22:27 < sideup66> Lol
22:27 < sideup66> Reboot the router
22:27 < sideup66> Then report back
22:27 < grumplestiltzkin> reboot the felda
22:30 < grumplestiltzkin> I don't remember that part of dune.   I had a 2 DVD set that had 3 chapters - I bet it was made after this one
22:31 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: same, did you see http://www.openra.net/about/
22:31 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: dune 2000 in a modern engine
22:32 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: it also does classic C&C and RA
22:32 < abakedapplepie> oh neat
22:32 < abakedapplepie> i didnt know dune 2000 used the same engine either
22:32 < sideup66> So
22:32 < abakedapplepie> i heard about that project a while ago
22:32 < sideup66> I setup openwrt on my client bridge
22:32 < sideup66> God have mercy on my soul
22:33 < Maarten> oh I loved dune 2000
22:33 < Maarten> I wish they would make a new version :(
22:33 < Maarten> dune legaxy is cool tho
22:33 < Maarten> legacy*
22:35 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: the cool part is that it's fully supported now and netplay is supported
22:36 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: I may install it tonight
22:37 < Sousapro> Maarten: they did make https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor:_Battle_for_Dune
22:37 < Jekotia> I hate how Netflix's Luke Cage treates strength as if it's a part of physics. It bugs me every time it comes up. e.g. in season 1, a car hits luke and stops dead in its tracks. Strength does not allow you to resist one ton of matter moving at you!
22:38 < Maarten> yeah I bought that.... but I lost my CD's :(
22:38 < Maarten> I bought it new in 2002 or so
22:39 < scwizard> i don't want to do anything
22:39 < Sousapro> I think I'm gonna do a C&C run
22:39 < scwizard> it's friday and like 4PM basically
22:39 < Sousapro> use OpenRA for the really old stuff
22:41 < darkscrypt> Sousapro: i love openra
22:41 < abakedapplepie> theres also the starcraft remake
22:41 < abakedapplepie> been meaning to try that
22:42 < darkscrypt> Sousapro: want to play me in openra?
22:42 < rpifan> well im bored and anxious
22:43 < darkscrypt> http://www.openra.net/
22:44 < alazare619> OpenRA
22:44 < Sousapro> darkscrypt: maybe
22:44 < alazare619> Does it support tiberium wars and canes wrath?
22:44 < abakedapplepie> no
22:44 < Sousapro> alazare619: it only supports C&C1, Red Alert 1 and Dune 2000
22:44 < abakedapplepie> first gen only
22:44 < rpifan> im only rts
22:44 < Sousapro> alazare619: they're working on Tiberium Sun
22:44 < darkscrypt> ^
22:45 < Sousapro> darkscrypt: I gotta practice my tank rush
22:45 < darkscrypt> Sousapro: its been a few months since i've played but i have it installed & i'm off the click
22:45 < darkscrypt> clock*
22:46 < darkscrypt> i love how openra chats in game are done over irc
22:47 <@cryptic1> darkscrypt, thats all this channel is
22:47 <@cryptic1> you are living the game darkscrypt
22:47 < darkscrypt> ready player 1
22:47 < hxcsp> wheres all the "you're gay" comments from the 12 year olds
22:48 < blinkingprompt> elasticsearch is so powerful
22:50 < rpifan> ohh i like your nick blinkingprompt
22:51 < blinkingprompt> thanks
22:52 <@cryptic1> it was stolen from the real blinkingprompt
22:52 < rpifan> whts that
22:55 < blinkingprompt> no it wasn't
22:55 < blinkingprompt> i am the real one
22:56 < corn266> anyone know why jira won't update the ssl cert after we replaced the current one in the keystore?
22:56 < blinkingprompt> did you restart the servers
22:57 < corn266> we restarted the tomcat servers but not the vm
22:57 < genr8_> its prolyl loaded into ram
22:58 < corn266> alright we'll try restarting the computer
22:59 < Sousapro> ugh, I'm going to try loading a cert tonight
22:59 < Sousapro> this doesn't sound fun corn266
22:59 < narziss> anyone good with pg ?
22:59 <+CheckYourSix> Anyone familiar with APC network management cards? I'm looking at ordering the 9631, but I'm wondering if there's a better option
22:59 < narziss> (postgres)
23:00 < corn266> it's really not that bad
23:01 < corn266> still showing the old cert
23:02 < genr8_> i looked at em yesterday quickly and 9631 was the one
23:02 < AnimalFarmPig> Okay, I need some help. New boss is trying to put together a response to an RFP for taking over a state agency's web infrastructure. They're got a bunch of shit in sharepoint, public facing websites, CMS'es, etc. Boss just asked everyone to send details of relevant experience. I am in no way interested in this, but I don't want to write back and just say "No experience, boss."
23:02 < AnimalFarmPig> Would it be believable if I claimed to be under NDA and unable to disclose details of any relevant experience? "Have some experience, but I can not disclose details at this time."
23:03 <@JollyRgrs> AnimalFarmPig: he asked for resposne of experience, right?
23:03 < AnimalFarmPig> yes
23:03 <@JollyRgrs> so if you have none, send none (don't send email response at all)
23:03 < genr8_> he has some he just doesnt wanna do it :p
23:03 < AnimalFarmPig> "Specific vignettes / references to past experience in providing the service cluster in environments of similar scope and complexity (public sector experience preferred), description of benefits realized, and articulation of how those experiences will be applied"
23:04 < xamithan> Just list what technology you got experience in and don't tell how or why
23:04 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, don't want to just write back no experience
23:04 < corn266> tell him you like raspberry vinegrettes
23:04 < AnimalFarmPig> but I also don't want to admit every touching sharepoint or a CMS
23:04 < AnimalFarmPig> s/every/ever
23:04 < AnimalFarmPig> and don't want to share any stories related to that experience
23:07 <+CheckYourSix> I just bought an APC SUA1500RM2U (no batteries, just battery trays and wires) for $90 shipped. Seems like a pretty good deal compared to what else I've found. The seller has another one and I'm tempted to buy that too, just because it's so cheap. No real need for it though...
23:07 < genr8_> cool
23:16 < AnimalFarmPig> how does this sound-- "Do I have experience with CMS's and Sharepoint? Yes, some. Am I willing to work on a project building and running them for the government? No."
23:17 < grumplestiltzkin> AnimalFarmPig: sounds like the most appropriate,elegant solution
23:17 < corn266> AnimalFarmPig, I'd opt for a shorter one "get bent"
23:18 < AnimalFarmPig> grumplestiltzkin: tone is assertive but not aggressive?
23:19 < corn266> "I do have some experience with CMS's and Sharepoint but I'd rather work on projects that further my experience in other areas"
23:19 < grumplestiltzkin> hm, you might work on it a tad more, but that gist is good.    Oh, its for your current bossman eh?   (I missed the beginning)
23:19 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, for the current boss
23:19 < AnimalFarmPig> I like that corn266
23:19 < grumplestiltzkin> s/work on projects that further my experience in other areas/not increase my alcohol intake by that much
23:20 < grumplestiltzkin> bot dead again?
23:20 < AnimalFarmPig> might be muted
23:21 < corn266> cryptic1, banned it to spite me
23:22 < corn266> he also won't give me op status so I can revoice it
23:25 < GreyKite> corn266: what did you do to get the bot banned?
23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> corn266: I sent your response to the new boss. Let's see how this plays out.
23:27 < blinkingprompt> is it racist to refer to elasticsearch node as "slave"
23:27 < blinkingprompt> what about es-migrant-worker
23:27 < AnimalFarmPig> why would it be racist?
23:28 < blinkingprompt> cause white privilege?
23:28 <+DrGibby|> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zihLFblI/image.png
23:28 < blinkingprompt> have actually heard businesses do not refer to things as slave nodes anymore
23:28 < AnimalFarmPig> I don't see what that has to do with anything. Slave is a social class, just like serf, or worker.
23:33 < corn266> GreyKite, literally just to spite me
23:42 < alazare619> anyone fucking know how to get my god damn ml10v2 to boot off usb
23:44 < enix> hold f12 as you boot
23:45 < enix> also use legacy boot
23:47 < admiralspark> enix: I thought holding won't register the keypress?
23:48 < admiralspark> blinkingprompt: if someone ever starts that shit, shut them down. The PC culture shit needs to stop when we're talking about technical things
23:48 < admiralspark> the rest of the world isn't so damn pent up about it
23:49 < alazare619> enix: i know this
23:49 < alazare619> i can bootmenu boot
23:49 < alazare619> but i'm trying to make it automatically boot off the usb
23:49 < alazare619> meaning no options need to be pressed
23:49 < admiralspark> as a primary device?
23:49 < alazare619> and its being a royal cuck
23:49 < alazare619> admiralspark: exactly
23:49 < admiralspark> are you UEFI alazare619 ?
23:49 < alazare619> its bios
23:49 < admiralspark> or did you use
23:49 < admiralspark> ahh
23:50 < alazare619> its running a v3 xeon
23:50 < admiralspark> can't help. IIRC BIOS typically give it a unique node name each time, I never got it to work.
23:50 < admiralspark> Oh
23:50 < alazare619> oh its working now
23:50 < admiralspark> wait
23:50 < admiralspark> alazare619: cant you just have grub trigger it?
23:50 < admiralspark> or
23:50 < admiralspark> that
23:50 < alazare619> apparently changing my sata controller fucking fixed it
23:50 < admiralspark> not to ATA mode right :P
23:50 < alazare619> i had sata set legacy changed to ahci and it works
23:51 < admiralspark> oh
23:51 < admiralspark> interesting
23:57 < millendra> did someone actually try that about slave drives? or was hypothetical?
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