--- Log opened Tue Jul 03 00:00:02 2018
--- Day changed Tue Jul 03 2018
00:00 < enix> unis still have their email controlled in house dont they?
00:00 < joelazot> enix: yeah
00:00 < JollyRgrs> i did 3-4 yrs of uni... but dropped about 50% of my classes and then moved to the community college b/c they had a networking degree and a promise i'd need no more core/gen ed classes
00:00 < enix> hahaha oh yeah he's reading everyones emails
00:00 < JollyRgrs> they lied and said i was missing a gen ed or two to get my 2 yr degree from them
00:00 < JollyRgrs> i never finished
00:00 < enix> I mean.... us sysadmins would never do that at all.
00:00 < enix> ;)
00:00 < joelazot> hah
00:01 < enix> wow that's totally not legal is it
00:01 < joelazot> my dad needs me to manage his fuckin IT infrastructure for his hobbyist company god dammit
00:01 < joelazot> fuck sake
00:01 < enix> joelazot: do it; good experience
00:01 < AccidentallyTheC> anyone know how I can get the esx vm name (that esx knows a vm as) from the vm itself?
00:01 < joelazot> welp i'll just set him up with wordpress on a VPS
00:01 < joelazot> and emails through something
00:01 < enix> AccidentallyTheC: I dont think you can
00:02 < AccidentallyTheC> >.<
00:02 < AccidentallyTheC> supposedly supposed to be available in the vmware-toolbox-cmd guestinfo.(insert something here) but that doesnt work
00:02 < AccidentallyTheC> I've been digging for at least an hour; driving me nuts
00:02 < enix> https://communities.vmware.com/message/1477696#1477696
00:03 < enix> The caveat to all this, if you allow a guestOS look this information up, you're basically allowing connectivity from your VMs into your management network
00:03 < enix> THat's the part there
00:03 < enix> brb need to poop and drink water. it's also coffee time.
00:03 < enix> tmi but hey
00:03 < enix> joelazot: that's the life
00:03 < joelazot> who cares man
00:03 < AccidentallyTheC> I thought that was what the point of the vmware-toolbox-cmd; was to allow certain info in
00:03 < joelazot> enix: yeah
00:04 < joelazot> I might end up moving to another country one day for a job
00:04 < joelazot> I wouldn't mind it
00:04 < joelazot> AU seems alright
00:04 < joelazot> other than the fuckin bugs
00:04 < joelazot> just need to weild a magazine
00:04 < joelazot> anyway im off
00:05 < scwizard> how many people here dream of getting a telecommuting job and moving to thailand to embrace degeneracy/
00:05 < scwizard> i had a friend who's dream was that
00:05 < JollyRgrs> AccidentallyTheC: i ahve no clue as i've never dealt with it... but wouldn't that toolbox be to provide methods for the host to run specific commands on the guest to shut it down and reboot the VM "safely"?
00:05 < scwizard> well not thailand specifically, but someplace with better girls than america in general
00:05 < AccidentallyTheC> scwizard, I had the opportunity to do that a while ago; and realized it about a month before I was let go
00:06 < AccidentallyTheC> now my goal is to wfh full time and go live somewhere I can have a big garage and backyard
00:06 < AccidentallyTheC> JollyRgrs, the vmware-toolbox-cmd has methods of getting info about the guest vm; but it seems that none of the info I'd need is set
00:07 < AccidentallyTheC> `vmware-toolbox-cmd config get guestinfo displayName` - supposed to give me the display name that esx sees
00:07 < AccidentallyTheC> but instead I get 'UNSET'
00:10 < JollyRgrs> AccidentallyTheC: so... set it?
00:10 < AccidentallyTheC> but it 'should' be already set.. no ?
00:11 < JollyRgrs> scwizard: by "better girls" you just mean easier girls?
00:11 < JollyRgrs> AccidentallyTheC: i have no clue, i deal with KVM at home for virtualization and am SCCM admin at work
00:11 < scwizard> JollyRgrs: i tried figuring out what he meant and really couldn't wrap my head around it
00:11 < scwizard> it had something to do with how "empowered" they were, he wanted girls who were less empowered or something
00:12 < scwizard> and said that america had too many man hating lesbians idk
00:12 < AccidentallyTheC> scwizard, he wants women with daddy issues
00:12 < scwizard> and fat girls
00:12 < scwizard> i guess but like i'm confuse because there's plenty of thin women with daddy issues here in the states
00:12 < grumplestiltzkin> the dude wants to live on pattaya beach.
00:13 < AccidentallyTheC> he really just wants the ladyboys but is afraid to say it lol
00:14 < scwizard> i guess the fantasy is, if you travel around the world you'll find your match somewhere
00:14 < grumplestiltzkin> the money conversion was really stupid too  it was like 33 baht = 1 federal reserve note
00:15 < grumplestiltzkin> or was it 8 baht per dollar...   no idea now
00:15 < grumplestiltzkin> hm. wow. looks like it is still 33
00:17 < grumplestiltzkin> fun fact: when you have left over foreign currency and you want to convert it back to freedom units, the bank probably wont take coins
00:17 < AccidentallyTheC> that doesnt apply to canadian
00:19 < grumplestiltzkin> well, I ran into it with baht, rupiah, yen, and won
00:19 < AccidentallyTheC> maybe the cost of sending a billion pounds of coin isnt worth it? idk
00:19 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, the banks dont want to deal with foreign coins
00:20 < AccidentallyTheC> maybe other exchanges might beyond the bank?
00:21 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, airports and local exchangers in country are the best bet.  Or just dumping all your leftover cash into duty-free booze
00:21 < grumplestiltzkin> if flying commercally
00:22 < grumplestiltzkin> but you'll probably pay much less in fees to exchange at a US bank. so like - tradeoff
00:22 < grumplestiltzkin> then you have funny-money to give to kids in your extended family
00:23 < grumplestiltzkin> rupiah is worth a bit less than toilet paper. you could stock a whole monopoly game with it for cheap
00:24 < AccidentallyTheC> cheaper to just wipe your ass with it than convert it to anything
00:24 < grumplestiltzkin> pretty much
00:24 < enix> "Spotify for Linux is a labor of love from our engineers that wanted to listen to Spotify on their Linux development machines. They work on it in their spare time and it is currently not a platform that we actively support. " WELL LISTEN TO YOUR FUCKING EMPLOYEES
00:24 < AccidentallyTheC> nothing like wiping your ass with crisp useless $100 bills from a 3rd world country
00:24 < enix> Dumb cunts.
00:24 < grumplestiltzkin> well, their smallest bill is 1k if that tells you anything
00:24 < AccidentallyTheC> like the zimbabwe 10 billion note ? :)
00:24 < Tzunamii> AccidentallyTheC: directly from the color printer
00:25 < AccidentallyTheC> but then you get inky ass
00:25 < AccidentallyTheC> which is better than stinky ass I guess..
00:25 < grumplestiltzkin> there it is - current exchange rate 14359.9 IDR = 1 USD
00:25 < AccidentallyTheC> so I could go live like a king there..
00:25 < AccidentallyTheC> theres that at least
00:26 < Alternity> hello i am beautiful girl
00:26 < Alternity> enix: if only there was some browser based platform agnostic way to listen to spotify...
00:26 < Alternity> nah, probably impossible
00:32 < scwizard> i'm so blessed to live in this era of free SSL certs
00:36 < wall4ss> enix: I'm confused I run spotify off the debian repo and it works just like on windows?
00:39 < genr8_> its an electron app
00:39 < genr8_> thas the point
00:39 < enix> Alternity: not working for me
00:39 < enix> Plus centos minimal
00:40 < wall4ss> I didn't like their web interface either
00:40 < enix> I've installed pulse... just going to install some extra codecs if I don't have them already
00:42 < AccidentallyTheC> I love when google searches turn up spooky things... like this site that has a php script and is openly showing a systems vmsvc log
00:43 < scwizard> that's more depressing
00:46 < enix> linky
00:50 < AccidentallyTheC> http://technopolis.sut.ac.th/src/file/BudgetReportReserv/file/secret_raaz.php?filesrc=/var/log/vmware-vmsvc.log&path=/var/log
00:50 < genr8_> lol.....
00:50 < AccidentallyTheC> I tried to poke it and get /etc/passwd
00:51 < AccidentallyTheC> but its half unresponsive
00:59 <+TuxedoJack> WELP
00:59 <+TuxedoJack> I know what I'm doing in between tickets and stuff tonight
00:59 <+TuxedoJack> https://i.imgur.com/OFcRDXC.png
01:00 <+TuxedoJack> Just brought 'em home
01:00 < AustinS> :3
01:02 < enix> NAWWWW
01:02 < enix> WELP I know what I'm buying inbetween chores tonight!
01:05 < DoctorDick> Buttplugs?
01:06 < MillerBOSS> https://twitter.com/fark/status/1013877089756467200 Which company has the stones to start throttling mobile data usage only two weeks after Net Neutrality's demise? Exactly who you'd expect
01:09 < MillerBOSS> http://t.co/Gs2gRwHu7T This is a good one too I got a kick out of. >Google has stopped scanning the inboxes of Gmail users to personalize ads. But it still lets outside software developers look inside
01:09 < coderphive> Also, that type of throttling was legal under NN
01:09 < coderphive> Casually left out of MillerBOSS's :trolling:
01:09 < MillerBOSS> Yeah but pitch forks, come on
01:10 < coderphive> lmao
01:10 < MillerBOSS> Actually thats not trolling.
01:10 < MillerBOSS> Get real
01:10 < coderphive> It's gas lighting
01:10 < coderphive> you right
01:11 < enix> hm video and audio working for my linux machine but not spotify
01:11 < MillerBOSS> This is much different.
01:11 < enix> "enable player in your browser"
01:11 < coderphive> Is it?
01:11 < enix> I set DRM but firefox still wont open it
01:12 < coderphive> basically NN enforced that you throttle all users equally, which led to everyone being throttled rather than power users
01:12 < MillerBOSS> This Unlimited being throttled to 480p and you must pay to get 720p. Was nothing like that with net neutrality as far as I remember.
01:12 < coderphive> Yes there was
01:12 < coderphive> AT&T did it regularly
01:12 < MillerBOSS> Yes and they got sued for using unlimited
01:12 < MillerBOSS> I have ATT
01:12 < coderphive> It was still in place
01:13 < coderphive> They just had to fix the wording
01:13 < coderphive> Which if you notice, Sinclair is doing the same
01:13 < coderphive> giving you a "grace period"
01:13 < coderphive> like these dirty shenanigans are nothing new from Telco's
01:13 < coderphive> idk why people want to scream NN all the time over it
01:13 < MillerBOSS> I don't know coderphive, see that wording in original post.
01:14 < coderphive> I read the post this morning like a normal person MillerBOSS
01:14 < MillerBOSS> We are not all normal like you Mr. coderphive.
01:14 < coderphive> I agree with you that it's dirty, but it's not NN related afaict
01:15 < MillerBOSS> Hey, Look at Fark for that headline. The principle of the matter still stands. :)
01:16 < MillerBOSS> Atleast with AT&Ts unlimited plan you can turn off that video degrading bullshit
01:16 < JollyRoger`> Holy crap. They're downgrading people's YouTube streaming to 480p from 720?
01:16 < MillerBOSS> :O
01:17 < JollyRoger`> Are you guys kidding me or did I just read that wrong...?
01:17 < MillerBOSS> I didn't see the term YouTube there but "videos", instead JollyRoger`
01:18 < JollyRoger`> Oh.
01:18 < Alternity> tbf comcast could alreayd throttle video before net neutrality was rekt
01:18 < Alternity> they are not discriminating, they are throttling ALL video
01:19 < JollyRoger`> For a moment I was like wait a minute, are they man-in-the-middle'ing SSL traffic or something?
01:19 < MillerBOSS>  To be clear my point wasn't about "net neutrality" but about the word this is going down. :)
01:19 < Alternity> does the pro-corproate FCC atmosphere emboldem them?  sure
01:19 < Alternity> but this is not specifically a net neutrality issue
01:19 <+TuxedoJack> SNOOTS
01:19 < MillerBOSS> Yes and you must pay to get higher bit rate.
01:19 <+TuxedoJack> SNOOTS EVERYWHERE
01:20 < Alternity> regardless, i really should move to the EU
01:20 <+TuxedoJack> Meanwhile, my 7-year-old Russian Blue is outside the bathroom door and curled up like she's protecting it from everyone who wants to get in
01:20 < MillerBOSS> about the road* this is going down. :)
01:20 < Alternity> usa seems pretty forked
01:20 < Alternity> anyone work in tech in Ireland?
01:20 < Alternity> i hear dublin has a pretty great tech sector
01:20 < xamithan> Is ireland a part of the EU ?
01:20 < Alternity> yes
01:20 < MillerBOSS> The people in Ireland do, I think. Well some of them do right?
01:20 < xamithan> Oh,  I thought they voted to part
01:20 < Alternity> they're not stupid like the UK
01:20 < Alternity> that was the uk mate
01:20 < Alternity> different country
01:21 < Alternity> northern ireland is part of the UK
01:21 < xamithan> Whats in northern ireland city wise
01:21 < Alternity> belfast
01:21 < Alternity> dublin is in ireland
01:21 < Alternity> ireland is where google and apple have their legal 'HQ' now to avoid taxes
01:22 < Alternity> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement
01:22 < coderphive> Sicknasty
01:22 < coderphive> Let's all move
01:22 < m4221> Hey
01:23 < Alternity> i'm a dual citizen with us and ireland so i'm considering it
01:23 < Alternity> apparently i'll still have to pay us taxes though so eh
01:23 < JollyRoger`> Ha, Ireland becomes the data capital! I was actually wondering if I should move to Iceland or Estonia.
01:24 < coderphive> JollyRoger`: throughput is being limited to 600Kbps
01:24 < coderphive> so obv you won't hit 720p is how they figured that out
01:24  * JollyRoger` suddenly spits out a mouthful of grog.
01:24 < MillerBOSS> Thats on hotspot out the gate
01:24 < JollyRoger`> Billions of blistering blue barnacles!
01:24 < MillerBOSS> Imagine the people that signed up for the service
01:25 < MillerBOSS> Unlimited to "unlimited" 600Kbps hotspot connection.
01:25 < Alternity> i think it was ATT that doubled their 'convience fee' as well
01:25 < MillerBOSS> Its the Comcast way
01:25 < JollyRoger`> Bunch of cheats and swindlers!
01:25 < MillerBOSS> pfft what a $150?
01:25 < Alternity> nature of corporations to fuck ppl as hard as they can
01:25 < MillerBOSS> $1.50*
01:26 < Alternity> job of government is to regulate them
01:26 < MillerBOSS> I'll take the fee over being capped Comcast style
01:26 < Alternity> sadly lobbists now own congress
01:26 < Alternity> and it's pretty much impossible to fix
01:26 < Alternity> since congress will never vote to outlaw lobbying who give them money
01:26 < Alternity> solution, leave the country
01:26 < MillerBOSS> This is just total comcast fuckery
01:26 < MillerBOSS> If you have the Unlimited data option
01:26 < MillerBOSS> your speeds on any device connected to a personal hotspot will not exceed 600 Kbps.
01:26 < Alternity> remember when trump promised to drain the swamp? lul
01:27 < MillerBOSS> At this speed, you'll conserve data
01:27 < MillerBOSS> so that it takes longer to reach the 20 GB threshold but you'll still be able to do many of the online activities you enjoy.
01:27 < Alternity> just made the swamp worse, notice he doesn't use that phrase anymore
01:27 < MillerBOSS> Many of the online activities you enjoy
01:27 < JollyRoger`> Thundering typhoons... you guys can move up here. We got lots of land and need people who understand finer technical points so we don't go in the same direction.
01:28 < Alternity> apparently immigration to canada is slammed
01:28 < Alternity> very difficult to get a visa now
01:28 < MillerBOSS> Imagine buying a switch that has x features. Then two weeks down the road you get hey asshole you will now have your interface ports go from 1Gig to FastEthernet. Want 1Gig? Pay money now
01:29 < MillerBOSS> Where is up here?
01:30 < JollyRoger`> I'm in Canada... but we're experiencing a slow slide downward as well.
01:31 < JollyRoger`> I've been trying to encourage people who are smart and tech-savvy to get up here because we have a terrible shortage of voting-age, tech-savvy people where I am.
01:33 < JollyRoger`> Alternity, sheesh. I believe it. (about the part about immigration to Canada being difficult).
01:33 < JollyRoger`> :( I don't know what to do in this case then :(.
01:33 < MillerBOSS> I think I am moving South away from the cold.
01:33 < joelazot> JollyRoger: hi
01:34 < JollyRoger`> Hi!
01:34 < joelazot> I'm back :D
01:34 < joelazot> How are ya bro
01:35 < JollyRoger`> Yo-ho! Today's great, I just got back too!
01:35 < JollyRoger`> I'm trying to learn about SSH and that sort of thing. (Oh yeah. Just to be certain... you're not trying to reach JollyRgrs, are you? We have similar screen names but are completely different people)
01:36 < JollyRoger`> (I'm new here. He's supposed to be a channel op but must be away from the keyboard.)
01:37 < Alternity> JollyRoger` vs JollyRgrs
01:38 < Alternity> fight!  winners gets to keep their nick
01:38  * JollyRoger` draws a rusty cutlass in one hand and a flintlock pistol in the other
01:38 < coderphive> Honestly this is confusing to me
01:39 < JollyRoger`> AVAAST YE SCURVY SEA DOG! HAVE AT YE!
01:39  * JollyRoger` runs in cutlass swinging, trips on something and crashes to the floor face-first
01:39 < ekaj> reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
01:40 < JollyRoger`> Oof.
01:41 < coderphive> The real JollyRgrs doesn't know SSH either
01:41 < JollyRoger`> Oh god.
01:41 < JollyRoger`> Okay uh...
01:41 < JollyRoger`> Alright, I got an idea, I got an idea...
01:41 < JollyRoger`> Does the real JollyRgrs use a Talos II?
01:41 < coderphive> I'm not sure
01:41 < coderphive> He does have a wife named Beatrice though
01:42 < coderphive> and he has risen from the dead exactly once.
01:42 < JollyRoger`> Oh. Well I'm not married! That's one difference we've got!
01:42 < JollyRoger`> ...and I haven't been dead before :P.
01:42 < coderphive> Technically after his dead JollyRgrs was not married anymore either
01:44 < JollyRoger`> Out of curiosity, are we both in Canada?
01:44 < MillerBOSS> He is China
01:44 < JollyRoger`> Oh. Well that's a big difference then!
01:44 <+TuxedoJack> He IS America
01:44 <+TuxedoJack> And so can you!
01:44 < JollyRoger`> X)
01:44 < MillerBOSS> Isn't that right JollyRgrs
01:45 < JollyRoger`> There were several very famous Chinese pirates as well. I think at one point one of them had a fleet of over three hundred ships, and had so much naval power even the emperor wouldn't mess with her.
01:45 < coderphive> Are you calling the real JollyRgrs a pirate?
01:45 < MillerBOSS> Sounds kinky.
01:46 < JollyRoger`> Well the skull and crossbones is, after all, the flag of piracy...
01:46 < ekaj> butt piracy
01:47 < JollyRoger`> I guess that's what you call booty!
01:47 < ekaj> lol
01:48 < MillerBOSS> `bofh
01:48 < xamithan> learn about ssh?  What does that mean
01:49 < ekaj> to gain knowledge about SSH
01:49 < ekaj> to learn
01:49 < JollyRoger`> About what kinds of stuff you can do with it as well. Since it looks like I have to use SSH to reach the BMC on my computer.
01:50 < xamithan> Sounds tedious,  I don't need to know about all the certs it uses and crypto
01:51 < ekaj> he probably doesn't either but he can still learn a lot without learning the in depth stuff
01:52 < JollyRoger`> Yeah. I want to make sure I cover things like best use practices, that sort of thing.
01:52 < JollyRoger`> I'm very good with GnuPG, so key management isn't a big problem for me.
01:55 < JollyRoger`> Unless the UI is... awful.
01:55 < JollyRoger`> Or they try not to let you back up your private keys.
01:58 < joelazot> school's internet went out kek
01:58 < JollyRoger`> Oof :(.
01:59 < joelazot> yeah
02:00 < JollyRoger`> Hope nothing got lost!
02:00 < joelazot> yeah
02:01 < joelazot> Nothing got lost for me lol
02:01 < JollyRoger`> Whew!
02:03 < joelazot> hi
02:03 < joelazot> accidentally closed firefox
02:04 < coderphive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5teG6ou8mWU
02:04 < JollyRoger`> Whoops :P.
02:04 < joelazot> xd
02:05 < GoBack2Mexico> hello
02:05 < joelazot> JollyRoger: you work in DevOps?
02:06 < Jagster``> i heard he devopsd once
02:06 < joelazot> ah ok
02:06 < joelazot> why does everyone have tildes infront of their names now??
02:06 < joelazot> weird
02:06 < MadCamel> it's like meth. only once
02:06 < JollyRoger`> B-Whaaat? No, no. I work in manufacturing and construction. You're probably thinking about the other Jolly Roger here, JollyRgrs.
02:06 < JollyRoger`> Sorry :(.
02:07 < joelazot> JollyRoger: oh you probably don't know i'm 15 then lol
02:07 < JollyRoger`> Haha, not until you told me, ha!
02:07 < MadCamel> ahh a PFY
02:07 < joelazot> MadCamel: PFY?
02:07 < JollyRoger`> A PFY? Well, we'll have to issue joelazot his complimentary paintball gun then!
02:08 < joelazot> What's a PFY?
02:08 < JollyRoger`> "Pimply Faced Youth." In the Bastard Operator From Hell stories, "PFY" was his helper who helped him terrorize technologically inept users, and occasionally bicker with.
02:08 < joelazot> ah
02:08 < joelazot> i see
02:09 < JollyRoger`> Occasionally with a paintball gun, in several stories, hehe.
02:09 < joelazot> I indeed am a PFY
02:09 < GoBack2Mexico> how the fuck do I get banned from ##feminism just for discussing feminine things (such as the clitoris)
02:09 < joelazot> shit idk man
02:09 < joelazot> kek
02:09 < xamithan> Did you say you hated men while discussing that?
02:09 < GoBack2Mexico> nah dude
02:09 < JollyRoger`> Ahoy GoBack2Mexico, thar be some waters I dare not sail t'ward! That there be one of them!
02:10 < GoBack2Mexico> i was just arguing with some incoherent babbling retard (or maybe a spambot)
02:10 < GoBack2Mexico> and then someone asked why I was even there
02:10 < GoBack2Mexico> and i said "to discuss feminine things like the clitoris"
02:10 < GoBack2Mexico> and i got banned
02:10 < GoBack2Mexico> lol
02:10 < JollyRoger`> Oof XP
02:11 < joelazot> JollyRgr: yo you there
02:11 < MadCamel> well, you gotta figure.. outspoken feminists can be weird to begin with. To get on something as archaic as IRC and create a feminism channel is extra weird. So my guess is you got banned because they're a bunch of extremist weirdos
02:12 < xamithan> Maybe they just ban trolls
02:13 < joelazot> hmm
02:13 < joelazot> I wonder if i should start studying RHCE Stuff when i get my server
02:13 < joelazot> so i can learn lots of linux admin stuff
02:13 < joelazot> go from RHCSA > RHCE book
02:13 < joelazot> since i geuss im kinda competent in linux
02:14 < MadCamel> might as well, if that's the type of learning you enjoy
02:14 < xamithan> How do you reset a root password then joel?
02:15 < xamithan> LEts say on RHEL7
02:15 < joelazot> for the root user?
02:15 < ekaj> delete the e:/syslinux file
02:15 < joelazot> I haven't used rhel, only centos
02:15 < ekaj> they're the same
02:15 < xamithan> Uh centos is the same thing
02:15 < xamithan> Without the logos
02:15 < joelazot> I assume it'd just be passwd root
02:15 < GoBack2Mexico> MadCamel: or maybe they thought i was going to troll them lol
02:15 < xamithan> I should have clarified,  you don't currently know the root password and can't login
02:15 < GoBack2Mexico> which i was
02:15 < GoBack2Mexico> obviously
02:15 < joelazot> oh
02:16 < GoBack2Mexico> i joined to jabber about clitorises
02:16 < GoBack2Mexico> lol
02:16 < joelazot> I believe you can enter a root terminal somehow on boot
02:16 < xamithan> If you don't know how to do that,  you just failed the RHCSA with a zero score
02:16 < Jagster``> me irl
02:17 < genr8_> really ?
02:17 < genr8_> you would somehow need to enter a root shell on boot
02:17 < genr8_> and issue some commands..
02:17 < genr8_> other than that No idea lol
02:17 < joelazot> yup
02:17 < genr8_> i would be hard pressed to write it out
02:17 < Handle> Damn, I added IMAP accounts to Outlook 2016, set "E-Mails in offline mode" to 1 Month but now it doesn't display mails that are older, even in online mode
02:17 < xamithan> Well you don't got google or anything on the exam genr8_ ,  lol
02:17 < Handle> I can't figure out why
02:17 < strive> Is there a way for me to learn/practice MS Office suite for free?
02:18 < enix> ekaj: :'D
02:18 < MadCamel> ya can boot rescue.target with systemd.. or my ol' favorite just pass init=/bin/sh on the kernel commandline, mount the root filesystem by hand and chroot into it. init system and distro agnostic
02:18 < enix> Best answer
02:18 < Handle> I don't want Outlook to cache all mails
02:18 < xamithan> And how do you get the changes to take effect MadCamel ?
02:18 < enix> Handle: Get an OST
02:18 < genr8_> sync
02:18 < Handle> It should show the headers of mails that are on the server I think
02:19 < Handle> enix, what do you mean exactly?
02:19 < joelazot> I just really need to learn lots
02:19 < MadCamel> yup. sync. I've already mounted the root filesystem and chrooted into it and ran 'passwd root', all I have to do is cleanly unmount it and make sure the buffers are flushed before reboot
02:19 < enix> strive: free n buy 365 is justifiably cheap and has a trial so yes you can
02:19 < xamithan> Wrong
02:19 < joelazot> hopefully i'll be able to finda good deal on a decent server
02:19 < enix> typing with one hand. the other ism eating potato gems
02:19 < xamithan> If you don't relabel the file then selinux will revert the changes
02:20 < enix> joelazot: vm it
02:20 < enix> omg these potato gems... im in heaven
02:20 < joelazot> enix: I'm looking to get a server for virtualisation
02:20 < enix> use ur laptop
02:20 < xamithan> You can do a restorecon just on passwd or you can force a relabel on the entire filesystem on boot
02:20 < enix> is same same
02:20 < enix> esp if you have vtx
02:21 < enix> ie *X i-series cpu
02:21 < MadCamel> neato! I don't dork around in selinux enabled environments usually. TIL.
02:21 < joelazot> enix: I've done as much as i can do with my current 2nd pc (i3 4130, 8gb ram, dying 5400rpm hdd) and now i'm messing arround with aws
02:21 < strive> enix: Awesome ! Thanks.
02:21 < enix> Potato gems finished!
02:21 < genr8_> what uses selinux
02:21 < joelazot> nice!
02:22 < xamithan> the redhat exams do
02:22 < enix> I want more! (MGS reference implied)
02:22 < xamithan> I've never seen them used in production though
02:22 < strive> xamithan: Studying for RHCSA?
02:22 < enix> genr8_: do you mean who? Because then the answer is 'anyone worth their weight'
02:22 < xamithan> No I already got an RHCE
02:22 < strive> xamithan: Ah, ok.
02:22 < xamithan> I was just seeing if joelazot or anyone else knew
02:22 < enix> joelazot: AWS is good for a more commercial experience but very very expensive. I sacked them (my bill was $200/month) and went DigitalOcean which actually gives me console access
02:22 < genr8_> is it only for RedHat tho ?
02:23 < genr8_> centos*
02:23 < joelazot> enix: aws free tier
02:23 < enix> I prefer DO; better docs, better prices, better everything. They offer private networking and IPv6 so not too bad
02:23 < joelazot> xamithan: i think i'm doing alright though for the age of 15
02:23 < xamithan> ubuntu uses apparmor for example,  but it can do selinux too
02:23 < genr8_> i use Vultr. same as DO
02:23 < joelazot> how is vultr? looking to get a vps for my dad
02:23 < enix> Fantastic
02:23 < enix> brb
02:23 < MadCamel> I'm sad that redhat picked selinux as their MAC system. There's others that are considerably more user-friendly.. And therefore might actually get used instead of disabled :P
02:24 < xamithan> Meh,  if you take the time to learn it.  It is simple and easy
02:24 < genr8_> good. let me recruit you. https://www.vultr.com/?ref=7305525
02:24 < enix> joelazot: Vultr is really good and offer windows if you need it
02:24 < enix> Much cheaper as well
02:24 < joelazot> enix: i see
02:24 < enix> joelazot: They also have Australian DC's which will give you a better latency :)
02:25 < joelazot> oh nice
02:25 < enix> So you could ... let's say run a $2.50/month server with Ansible then create a playbook to deploy a minecraft server ;)
02:25 < genr8_> and i like the web dashboard better
02:25 < enix> Or for $10/month you could run a MySQL N..something or rather cluster
02:25 < enix> NDB?
02:25 < xamithan> I'm more upset that they use firewalld instead of just iptables
02:25 < joelazot> enix: Nah, my dad wants me to manage his IT infra (small hobbyist woodworking company on the side he does)
02:25 < genr8_> the $2.50 server slots sell out fast in certain regions
02:25 < joelazot> I'll just get him setup with wordpress
02:26 < coderphive> HUNTERKLL
02:26 < enix> joelazot: I have one. It's what I'm logged into right now ;)
02:26 < joelazot> since a senior linux admin who is a friend of mine gave me access to a bunch of his ansible playbooks
02:26 < enix> NO coderphive YOU HAVE SUMMONED HIM
02:26 < coderphive> Why when I google my name does hugebuttholes.net appear
02:26 < genr8_> oh. weird. I see now they're offering $2.50 slots that are IPV6 *ONLY*
02:26 < enix> ohhhh nice
02:26 < joelazot> so i'll just set him up with a wp host and not too sure about email
02:26 < enix> Get that push happening
02:26 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it does?
02:26 < Hunterkll> that's fucking hilarious
02:27 < enix> joelazot: I would go Office 365 for email, website on Vultr or DigitalOcean
02:27 < coderphive> I seriously hate you
02:27 < Hunterkll> ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha
02:27 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i've only linked it in here though, no where else
02:27 < joelazot> enix: yeah, i could also be a meme and get it for free if we can say he's a not for profit /s
02:27 < joelazot> why did i say 'i could also be a meme'
02:27 < enix> joelazot: Office 365 will give him email + full office suite, which will be handy for his business. Vultr wont cost much and you can run a pretty decent wordpress install from it but you'll have to be careful with your database
02:27 < joelazot> what is wrong with me
02:28 < enix> joelazot: you're 15. that's the hormones talking
02:28 < joelazot> he's currently using goDaddys website builder. it's pretty bad.
02:28 < Hunterkll> coderphive, which mean this shit is getting indexed somewhere else
02:28 < Hunterkll> lol
02:28 < joelazot> i'll get his DNS up on cloudflare
02:28 < enix> As a medical professional, I recommend getting 50 likes on your next Snapchat DM.
02:28 < coderphive> our chat logs are indexed too
02:28 < Hunterkll> coderphive, that's what i meant
02:28 < coderphive> ye
02:28 < joelazot> reckon 0.5TB is enough bandwidth for a small web server?
02:28 < genr8_> lol
02:28 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i'm more concerned about the 5th result
02:28 < enix> joelazot: your biggest issue will be RAM
02:28 < genr8_> yes
02:28 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it redirects to some scummy parking page, but it's got the text of my site cached
02:28 < xamithan> 1gigabyte is enough for a small web server
02:29 < joelazot> yeah
02:29 < enix> Would probably be better not running a database tbh but if you work out how to stop it crashing, I'm all ears
02:29 < joelazot> anyway
02:29 < joelazot> next class
02:29 < joelazot> cya
02:29 < coderphive> Hunterkll: oh
02:29 < enix> xamithan: not with mariadb now I've had constant database issues with any sort of web bot load
02:29 < enix> cya joelazot gl
02:29 < coderphive> Hunterkll: I thought you found something where I said something stupid lolol
02:29 < xamithan> I meant bandwidth traffic
02:29 < enix> oh
02:29 < enix> :)
02:29 < xamithan> use more bandwidth just updating the server
02:29 < Hunterkll> coderphive, yet searching for cryptic1 doesn't find shit EVEN THOUGH HE'S GOT THE PLACE OF HONOR
02:29 < enix> Also our director just said I could completely rebuild our infrastructure
02:29 < Hunterkll> i need to add more cryptic1
02:29 < enix> What whaaaaat how cools that
02:29 < coderphive> lmao
02:30 < enix> brb gonna go masterbate over my network diagrams
02:30 <@cryptic1> there is never enough cryptic1
02:30 < enix> and also fix someones outlook.
02:30 < coderphive> moar cryptic1
02:30 < enix> Though not neccersarily in two singular instances.
02:30 < Hunterkll> coderphive, it shows up for code_man65 too
02:30 < Hunterkll> hahaha
02:30 < Hunterkll> still in the top 5 results for him
02:31 < enix> wow Hunterkll was I not turtley enough for the turtle club?
02:31 <@cryptic1> hah wow it does
02:31 < Hunterkll> this is great
02:31 < Hunterkll> i should put ads on it
02:31 < Hunterkll> :D
02:31 < Hunterkll> it's not on page 1 for felda though
02:31 < coderphive> lmao
02:31 < Hunterkll> needs more SEO
02:31 < Hunterkll> i'm shocked at how ranking it is for some of ya'll
02:31 < enix> felda is down anyway
02:31 < coderphive> pls don't
02:32 < Hunterkll> turns out google still respects some good old fashioned non corrupted HTML
02:32 < Hunterkll> hand written even
02:32 < enix> fuck have to go for a walk.. urgh.
02:32 < enix> bbl
02:33 < Hunterkll> coderphive, but i'll SEO it for cryptic1's benefit
02:33 < Hunterkll> :P
02:34 < coderphive> I'm trying to represent myself as a respectable person, okay?
02:34 < genr8_> if a site is number 1 on the rankings, and you delete it, what happens
02:34 < Hunterkll> coderphive, yet you're in this channel?
02:35 < Hunterkll> genr8_, it stays #1 till reindex (google periodically checks to see if you're still alive) then disappears
02:35 < genr8_> i need to make that happen
02:35 < coderphive> Hunterkll: I actually help people sometimes
02:35 < xamithan> Then people can still view it on the cache
02:35 < xamithan> and archive.org
02:35 < Hunterkll> ^
02:35 < genr8_> which sucks but its better than being on google.
02:35 < Hunterkll> genr8_, get a #1 site on a good search then goatse every one
02:36 < Hunterkll> coderphive, i promise i wont goatse people who google for oyu
02:36 < Hunterkll> i'll check the google referrers and only goatse cryptic1 searchers
02:36 < coderphive> lmao
02:36 < coderphive> I'm just going to remove IRC from my about me
02:36 < Hunterkll> LOL
02:36 < Hunterkll> i could take you off the site
02:36 < Hunterkll> lmao
02:37 < genr8_> stupid online identity management
02:37 < genr8_> not you, i hate it.
02:37 < Hunterkll> lol
02:37 < Hunterkll> coderphive, see now you need to hire one of those online reputation companies for an extreme amount of money
02:37 < Hunterkll> and they'll bribe me with like $50 and i'll take your name off and they pocket like $5500 in profit
02:37 < coderphive> lmao
02:37 < coderphive> the cached page is already gone
02:37 < Hunterkll> is it?
02:38 < Hunterkll> probably checks shortly after a visit
02:38 < Hunterkll> no
02:38 < Hunterkll> coderphive, still shows for me
02:38 < Hunterkll> the bard unbound weird one
02:40 < coderphive> yeah if you search my actual name nothing appears
02:40 < Hunterkll> well duh
02:40 < Hunterkll> i aint puttin real names on a site like that
02:40 < Hunterkll> lol
02:40 < coderphive> yeah so we're good
02:40 < Hunterkll> lol
02:40 < Hunterkll> someone vain if they google themselves this much
02:41 < Hunterkll> hmmmm
02:41 < coderphive> nah some guy from ##devops thought he was clever when he dropped my name in chat
02:41 < coderphive> so I checked it out
02:41 < Hunterkll> lol
02:41 < Hunterkll> coderphive, google likes sites with frequently updated content, so i should put a box that randomly picks like 10 nicks in here it hasnb't before and updates the site every 2 days at the bottom
02:41 < Hunterkll> so that everyone has a change to get butthole'd
02:41 < coderphive> lmao
02:43 < coderphive> Also that guy that thought he was being funny looked at my LinkedIn
02:43 < Hunterkll> lol
02:43 < coderphive> _self.dox
02:43 < Hunterkll> coderphive, why back in my day i'd receive an international phone call from the UK on our house's unlisted landline when i fucked up on irc
02:43 < Hunterkll> :P
02:44 < coderphive> lmaooo
02:44 < Hunterkll> you got some low effort skids
02:44 < coderphive> this guy was going on about how young I am
02:44 < coderphive> I don't think he realizes I'm 30
02:44 < coderphive> like, I know I'm beautiful and all bae
02:45 < Hunterkll> lol
02:45 < coderphive> <geggam> check your linked in ... i looked at your profile should show up <geggam> youth is interesting
02:46 < Hunterkll> "Have you considered that some people on freenode don't hide their name at all, and in fact, sometimes are well known and don't care about skid marks like you?"
02:46 < Hunterkll> lol
02:46 < coderphive> lmaoo
02:47 < Hunterkll> just remind him that freenode isn't an anonymous network and doesn't mask hostmasks by default
02:47 < Hunterkll> :)
02:47 < Hunterkll> I'd merely like to point out that this 'geggam' lives somewhere near Phoenix, AZ
02:47 < coderphive> He claims he live in the Bay Area
02:47 < coderphive> per his LinkedIn
02:47 < Manfred> I only come up in those pay to view "public directories"
02:47 < Manfred> Thankfully.
02:47 < Hunterkll> well, he's on a qwest link that comes through phoenix
02:47 < genr8_> i had a really weird interaction with someone on IRC in PM before and I called him out for trying to phish/doxx me / get me to say something, it got pretty hostile, luckily nothing came of that
02:47 < Hunterkll> oh you already did the work
02:47 < Hunterkll> lol
02:47 < coderphive> huehuehue
02:48 < Hunterkll> yea
02:48 < Hunterkll> i'd have suspected he's 15 myself
02:48 < genr8_> at some point i realized i had said too much and he just kept pressing me for info
02:48 < Hunterkll> lol
02:50 < genr8_> its better to stay away from like defcon or blackhat type channels now
02:50 < coderphive> https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C5603AQEqvAzEUpFH6g/profile-displayphoto-shrink_800_800/0?e=1536192000&v=beta&t=LLhLMWOARM5_a0I9msr8aqFuDm7X5d2N2Qo9L9BUkbg
02:50 < coderphive> formiddable
02:50 < genr8_> IRC is rife with sketchyness
02:51 < genr8_> like..... is that a picture? Or is that a tracking link that will doxx me
02:51 < coderphive> That's a picture of the dude
02:52 < genr8_> its shrodingers picture. i guess i'll never know, cause i'm not clicking it
02:53 < genr8_> at least by getting older we learn how to outsmart these 15 year olds at social engineering
02:54 < JollyRgrs> ok guys, i have 50GB unallocated in front (to the left) of my C drive... what free tool can I use to fix that?
02:54 < genr8_> MiniTool Partition Wizard is my favorite
02:54 < genr8_> you could even be able to do it while its running
02:55 < JollyRgrs> genr8_: next time, play dumb and feed false information
02:55 < genr8_> if not, you might as well use anything. Paragon Partition Manager or uhh Acronis Disk Director or some shit
02:55 < JollyRgrs> that'll really get him trying hard to go nowhere
02:55 < genr8_> true but i panicked
02:55 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: first of all, kick this guy that stole your nick
02:55 < JollyRgrs> lol
02:56 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: I have to type nearly your whole name to nick complete you now
02:56 < JollyRgrs> get a better client?
02:56 < genr8_> i thought they were both him
02:56 < JollyRgrs> mine only does alpha for ppl who haven't talked much
02:56 < JollyRgrs> genr8_: nope nope nope
02:56 < JollyRgrs> i hit g `tab and i get genr8_
02:56 < JollyRgrs> or ge `tab if 2 G's are talking
02:57 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: he also claimed you're a pirate
02:57 < coderphive> ban him
02:57 < JollyRgrs> fo at most, you'd have to J `tab `tab
02:57 < JollyRgrs> coderphive: i've never claimed that... but never denied it either
02:57  * coderphive sets mode +b JollyRgrs
02:59 < JollyRgrs> welp, using minitool, genr8_
02:59 < JollyRgrs> wish me luck
03:00 < genr8_> gl. it will be fine
03:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> first day on the new job....
03:00 < McDonaldsWiFi> I have imposter's syndrome x10000
03:03 < DoctorDick> If you like to sail the seas
03:03 < DoctorDick> You are a pirate
03:03 < JollyRgrs> done
03:04 < JollyRgrs> not bad, under 4 min to do all of that and log back in
03:04 < JollyRgrs> genr8_: thanks
03:06 < genr8_> woot
03:09 < misspwn> McDonaldsWiFi, i don't know if anyone truly gets over imposter syndrome. I have no advise
03:09 < McDonaldsWiFi> :(
03:10 < xamithan> study more
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> currnetly finishing my bachelors actually xD
03:10 < McDonaldsWiFi> itll be alright, just a bunch of stuff I've never had to mess with before
03:10 < xamithan> Thats not studying
03:10 < JollyRgrs> misspwn: yes and no... just that the imposter line moves further up as you move up... but it is usually still lower than what you actually can do
03:12 < agent_white> One more day until I know if I got the gig I've been stoked about... I'm looking forward to that feeling, McDonaldsWiFi. It means that there's new stuff to learn :)
03:12 < McDonaldsWiFi> Yeah!
03:16 < agent_white> I think imposter syndrome is just a weird feeling that you don't know stuff (yet!) that you are paid to know... getting paid to learn feels weird. But kinda comes with the turf in tech.
03:17 < McDonaldsWiFi> yeah.. my current management team even said they didn't expect it
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> they said I had a good fountdation to learn from, but I still have self imposed imposter's syndrome
03:18 < McDonaldsWiFi> xD
03:20 < ekaj> Anyone have experience setting up OpenVPN TCP VPNs?
03:21 < genr8_> ive done that, once recently
03:21 < ekaj> I set up my server according to a digitalocean guide, substituting udp for tcp, and keep getting a "connection failed.. unknown error" on the client
03:22 < genr8_> actually it was UDP :(
03:22 < ekaj> which is a very descriptive error message
03:22 < ekaj> what all did you do over it?
03:22 < genr8_> hooked my LAN to the VPS
03:23 < xamithan> You can't substitute udp for tcp
03:23 < xamithan> one is tun and one is tap
03:24 < ekaj> looks like I need to switch to tap then
03:27 < genr8_> how come theres no such thing as like
03:27 < genr8_> VPN BBS'es
03:28 < ekaj> prob is in some obscure place
03:28 < genr8_> i'd be up for that
03:29 < xamithan> I'm actually kidding you can use either,  the setup is a little different though
03:32 < benjgvps> I got a request from someone who had a new PC with Office 365 deployed and they're saying they need Access 2007 to use some old shitty DB that doesn't work on 2010 or newer. Where would you even find a legitimate copy of something that old?
03:32 < ekaj> i just need to find a straight tcp guide
03:34 < jay-ros> what up
03:35 < jay-ros> anyone here?
03:35 < enix> no
03:35 < ekaj> no
03:35 < ekaj> just some dumb australians
03:36 < jay-ros> Those guys
03:36 < jay-ros> jesus
03:36 < enix> bunch of shit cunts ay
03:36 < xamithan> Just use a setup script,  there is tons of them on github
03:36 < ekaj> benjgvps: maybe on ebay?
03:36 < jay-ros> Throw them a XXXX and some Shannon Noll and they'll keep to themselves
03:36 < jay-ros> "I've got a car... I've got a big black fuckin' car"
03:36 < jay-ros> Or some Pete Murray
03:37 < benjgvps> ekaj: That's what it's looking like at this point. I found four copies kicking around the building, but all were weird OEM or Home and Student without Access.
03:38 < benjgvps> I'm 95% sure the copy on his old box was pirated.
03:38 < jay-ros> enix: fun fact: Pete Murray is a dick
03:54 < Hunterkll> benjgvps, ebay seriously, yes
03:55 < sideup66> gah
03:55 < sideup66> so i gotta unbone something i mightve messed up by mistake, and the guy has a cheap belkin router i may need to reflash
03:56 < sideup66> and i dont think any 3rd party firmware supports it (need a vlan on it)
04:05 < xamithan> Throw it out and put in Pfsense
04:09 < jay-ros> ^
04:09 < benjgvps> Throw it out and put literally anything. A Mikrotik router with wifi is like $20-40, Ubiquiti Edgerouter X is like $50, PFSense on some old box would be free if there's extra hardware kicking around. Spending too much time on a belkin is a waste.
04:11 < enix> jay-ros: that's alright because noone knows who the fuck he is
04:12 < coderphive> I want to sell my MBP
04:12 < coderphive> one of you should buy it
04:13 < coderphive> $2k with Apple Care
04:13 < JollyRgrs> $tree.fiddy
04:13 < jay-ros> enix - this is true. We got drunk with him years ago and he turns into a sour asshole :P
04:13 < joelazot> ello
04:13 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: Do you want to be a Jolly Rancher? bc this how u become that
04:13 < jay-ros> coderphive, I love your selection of the word 'should' in your sentence
04:13 < JollyRgrs> depends on what flavor?
04:14 < coderphive> The red one
04:15 < joelazot> JollyRgrs: hey
04:15 < JollyRgrs> coderphive: like cherry, or like watermellon or strawberry?
04:15 < coderphive> cherry
04:15 < enix> jay-ros: he's no daryl braithwaite afterall
04:15 < coderphive> but not the one
04:15 < coderphive> the new one*
04:15 < jay-ros> enix WEEEE WILLL FLLAAAAIIIYYYYYYY
04:15 < coderphive> the one that tasted like caugh drops from the 90's
04:16 < catbeard> after almost 30 years bet they taste like shit
04:16 < jay-ros> cue dark shitty nightclub with tvs on the walls, crappy dj and a bunch of drunks standing around making power fist pulldown motions with a beer in the other hand screaming at the top of their lungs
04:17 < enix> That's me when I hit the pubs
04:17 < sideup66> xamithan: sure, if he had a spare pc sitting around
04:17 < enix> I put my alter-ego on in the enix cave
04:17 < sideup66> a pi and dumb switch could work
04:17 < sideup66> but i need a vlan
04:17 < enix> Slip my red flanno shirt over my wife beater
04:17 < enix> Wear my boots and jeans from work; mud and all
04:17 < jay-ros> enix - followed by "I GOT MY FIRST REAL SIX-STRING, BOUGHT IT AT THE FIVE AND DIME"
04:17 < enix> Get out there and punch the skys fucking face in
04:18 < enix> Only in summer mate
04:18 < jay-ros> but the big question is enix: do you get involved with a bunch of random guys on the dance floor in a ring jumping up and down when 500 miles comes on?
04:19 < catbeard> you can dance if you want to
04:19 < enix> The biggest question is; do you not?
04:19 < catbeard> you can leave your friends behind
04:19 < coderphive> https://play.google.com/music/m/Toe3tl5jroa5s75ghpm4xbmmfwm?t=Party_All_Day_-_Steel_Panther
04:19 < jay-ros> enix: why wouldn't you?
04:19 < enix> catbeard: nobody puts baby in the corner
04:19 < coderphive> Steel Panther aka Party Panther
04:19 < enix> jay-ros: that's my whole point!
04:19 < jay-ros> You've got my vote
04:20 < enix> :D
04:20 < enix> Where you from cobber
04:20 < catbeard> can't catch me cobber
04:20 < jay-ros> #enixforministerofconsumeraffaisgamingandliquorregulation
04:21 < jay-ros> sydney
04:21 < joelazot> oh hey enix
04:21 < jay-ros> Although I've been known to cut a rug in Perth, Melbourne and Brisbane on occasion
04:22 < enix> yeaahhhh brissy
04:22 < enix> I'm a sucker for caville tbh but hey, we all have our vices.
04:22 < enix> caville avenue; main strip of gold coast :)
04:23 < enix> and I would 100% love to own that title. I'd get rid of these fucking lockout laws and enforce set pricing on drinks. $5/shot mate get fucking shit faced cunties
04:24 < enix> Get rid of this cover charge bullshit; you put that $20 into a pokie at the front door to get in. Once you're in; if you bitch it and dont get a shot as a chaser for your shot, you're out.
04:24 < enix> Fuck this wet pussy shit off. Down a bundy OP and get out there!
04:24 < joelazot> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
04:25 < enix> What are like.. the iconic aussie spirits
04:25 < enix> Hm
04:25 < catbeard> FAWSTAHS
04:25 < joelazot> victoria bitter
04:25 < enix> I'm submitting both of you to be banned at customs
04:26 < joelazot> good
04:26 < coderphive> enix: Jokes on you, you're going over the wall
04:26 < enix> We're hitting up the furphys at the moment guys
04:26 < catbeard> i'm submitting your cell phone and black book of ladies to ECHELON
04:26 < catbeard> as a FVEY country
04:26 < enix> Enjoy; I dont have a "cell" phone
04:27 < enix> Noone's cells are made of phone
04:27 < catbeard> your PED then, mobile, i'll go to every cah pahk and find it
04:27 < enix> If they were I'd be calling my mitochondria like 'get to work cunt...' the fucking bludger
04:28 < enix> joelazot: dont you have school
04:29 < joelazot> enix: i'm in class
04:29 < enix> what you learning
04:29 < joelazot> nothing
04:30 < enix> no shit
04:30 < joelazot> I'm in computer science class
04:30 < enix> Ha!
04:30 < enix> Are they still teaching BASIC?
04:30 < enix> Sorry... VisualBasic
04:30 < joelazot> everyone is doing really fucking basic python
04:30 < enix> oo python good
04:30 < enix> Write something to poll your subnet looking for other devices and do an nslookup on them
04:30 < jay-ros> VBA ftw in your first years doing tech support
04:31 < jay-ros> "how do I do this in excel?"
04:31 < enix> does nmap hve a python directory? You could then port scan all detected devices
04:31 < jay-ros> "no idea, let me just knock up a solution for you"
04:31 < enix> jay-ros: never got into it ay
04:31 < enix> was always a web dev.
04:31 < enix> Since I was 15
04:31 < jay-ros> enix - python is lua?
04:31 < joelazot> enix: wouldn't that require external repos
04:31 < jay-ros> sorry nmap is lua*
04:31 < enix> Teacher "Do this in VisualBasic... except enix.. just do it in php"
04:32  * enix shrugs
04:32 < enix> never done it
04:32 < enix> it's on my list though. Unless nagios has auto-detect
04:32 < jay-ros> nmap has a python library you need to include
04:33 < joelazot> yeah can't do that at school, on a school computer so obv don't have acess to pip
04:33 < enix> what shitty school do you go to
04:33 < Casteil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA0hrpR-o8U holy cringe lol
04:33 < joelazot> enix: lol
04:34 < joelazot> enix: can't be fucked getting out my laptop y'know
04:34 < enix> omg speaking of
04:34 < enix> do you guys reckon that new surface pocket thing is legit?
04:35 < jay-ros> concept model won't happen in the next 4 years
04:35 < enix> fuck serious
04:35 < jay-ros> that's my opinion
04:35 < enix> According to The Verge's report, Microsoft hopes to release Andromeda in 2018 with devices from other hardware partners to come later.
04:35 < jay-ros> it's all well and good, but web design and application design mean if it's not configured for a mobile device, laptop or tablet, there's no fucking way it's going to be functiona
04:36 < jay-ros> also developed under android or i-device code, or applicable without 'sideloading'
04:36 < jay-ros> a la HP's WEB-OS, blackberry's OS10 and microsoft phones post palmpilot
04:37 < enix> I'm a little bit funny about the virtual keyboard
04:37 < enix> https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/6/17433242/intel-dual-screen-concept-pcs-tiger-rapids
04:37 < enix> This is what I needed at uni. I had an ipad and sony ereader
04:37 < jay-ros> " a new pocketable PC form factor to bridge the gap between what a smartphone and a laptop can do"
04:38 < jay-ros> i.e. a really small tablet which doesn't do phone calls
04:38 < enix> jay-ros: yeah but I mean... tablets are kinda shit
04:38 < enix> Netbooks had their place 100% but they just didnt invest the money
04:38 < enix> And they were adapted incorrectly.
04:39 < jay-ros> but are they shit because they're not functional without a usable OS which isn't designed specifically for touchscreen regardless of keyboard/mouse connectivity, or are they shit because they're slightly too large to fit in your pocket?
04:39 < enix> Our school purchased netbooks for students because they were cheap... but they couldn't use half their shit on them. There just wasn't the use case. Then look over to japan and they were being used for what they should have been used for; super lightweight, simple note taking device with translation and chat. I had a netbook and it went everywhere with me thanks to 3G and cloud storage at the time.
04:39 < enix> jay-ros: Put it this way....
04:40 < enix> jay-ros: I had the iPad Air (I THINK 7"?). I bought it for like $150 from ebay and I took it everywhere. I used it for what it should be used for; simple email, reading the news, looking stuff up, displaying recipes, watching some youtube, and monitoring my streams during broadcast.
04:41 < joelazot> fair enough
04:41 < jay-ros> yep, and the iPad mini is just large enough to cover that functionality
04:41 < jay-ros> I was writing the same thing - emails, video, light browsing, reading book and candy crush
04:41 < enix> But it lagged like a mofo. It was perfect but it lagged. I then got the iPad Pro 9.7 and fuck me that thing was too big to be used portably. I couldn't use it on the bus or train standing, it didn't come with a REAL keyboard attachment (so couldn't properly do work on it on public transport)
04:42 < enix> It was bulky, etc. but other than that perfect.
04:42 < jay-ros> but are you going to buy a phone and a tablet-let, or a bigger phone?
04:42 < enix> iPad Pro 9.7 with a 7" display and high resolution, so I can shrink everything down like I have on my 1080p 12" dell screen; sweet as.
04:42 < jay-ros> ah righto, yeah, there's the gap
04:42 < enix> Oh also the HP Slate was phenomenal, but windows 8 sucked
04:43 < enix> also windows 10 really.
04:43 < jay-ros> that was the weird windows build, right?
04:43 < jay-ros> R3 or something
04:43 < enix> I'm not sure; basically wifi shit itself so I took it to a fucking acquisition meeting and couldn't do fucking shit
04:43 <+TuxedoJack> RT
04:43 < enix> The whole operating system was bleh
04:43 <+TuxedoJack> Which sucks out loud, and it's what's being pushed as Windows 10 S
04:43 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck that shit
04:44 <+TuxedoJack> https://www.zdnet.com/article/what-is-windows-10-s/
04:44 <+TuxedoJack> Windows for retards
04:45 < enix> This is what I need; a smart phone for games, quick email, social media management and chat. A tablet for managing business social media, and portable enough to walk around holding it for 5-10km a day, a laptop for work and a desktop for gaming
04:45 < enix> I can merge the laptop into the tablet if I get a good enough one
04:45 < xamithan> Where can I buy a smart phone that'll play global offensive and WoW
04:45 < enix> BUt the new windows adrometredoohickey would probably cover it well... except the fucking keyboard.
04:45 < jay-ros> TuxedoJack, enix "what we're going to do, is utilise the internet for roaming profiles off of an azure cloud interface, same as Google and Apple do, and we're going to present the same shit to you, but Microsoft branded
04:45 < enix> xamithan: beg asus to re-invest in being useful
04:46 < enix> Yooooo M$ was soooo late to that party
04:46 < enix> And it's such a shit implementation.
04:46 < jay-ros> "we're going to throw fucktonnes of money at developers to sideload their apps over to our platform, and we've bought up a lot of dev groups to make games, applications and integrations pre-launch for our new 'four tier' strategy
04:47 < enix> I mean... can you even manage your own repos now?
04:47 < jay-ros> Also, fuck windows store, it's a pain in the ass and doesn't integrate with 'not a tablet' as much as I'd like
04:47 < enix> Chromebook has it in spades man. Simple, easy, well integrated, great entry price
04:48 < enix> I should take the plunge
04:48 < jay-ros> it's goddamn Blackberry 'work suite' bubble technique and it limits genericising the user experience for applications, funnelling them into shitty dual user experiences on the same device UI platform
04:48 < enix> it's been going on for years
04:48 < enix> I honestly dont think they've improved on the old dumb-terminal strategy
04:49 < jay-ros> "you can install citrix from the EXE or you can install it from M-Store, but the M-Store one will fuck up your experience, even though it's the one that pops up to generic_user_200123 when they look for the installer"
04:49 < jay-ros> plus, get minecraft off my fucking enterprise installation :
04:49 < jay-ros> :P
04:49 < enix> yeah meanwhile you WANT to install from a linux repo over their package or source half the time
04:49 < enix> LOL
04:49 < enix> Fucking minecraft. RIP
04:50 < jay-ros> oh yeah, because that's straight up 'best practise' configuration, and not 'rush job' slap together strategy
04:50 < enix> Thanks for the multiplatform experience.. and for trying to force me to use realms and for threatening to sue craftbukkit you cunts
04:50 < enix> jay-ros: beats solitaire any day
04:51 < jay-ros> hahha yeah my linux experience is mediocre at best. I jump into linux for single purpose monitoring tools from out infrastructure, and my muckabout Wordpress HyperV server at home
04:51 < jay-ros> I've got freecell. I've played over 20,000 games over the years
04:53 < enix> Linux is stable as fuck if you have the time to put into it tbh
04:54 < jay-ros> yeah I recognise this strongly. personally I'm a fan of it, and would spend the time learning it, but at the same time I use my role to pick up skills, and there's nobody else here linux skilled
04:54 < jay-ros> so it's not the appropriate environment to learn it at the moment, and I've got plenty to learn that would be considered time well spent
04:56 < enix> I can dig that
04:56 < enix> That's why I have limited Windows experience :)
04:57 < enix> I wish Linux took off larger than it has in the userspace. It has so much potential to decimate everything
04:57 < jay-ros> Oh yes, it's like rotary engines
05:02 < jay-ros> I'm currently running my PFY through a robocopy script... super fun
05:03 < jay-ros> \sarcasm
05:03 < enix> I'm still waiting for mine to be hired haha
05:03 < jay-ros> Mine's struggling
05:03 < enix> Is he simple?
05:04 < jay-ros> Cruisy
05:04 < enix> eh
05:04 < jay-ros> I'm 100% full throttle, give me more. give me more.
05:04 < jay-ros> The more I fix, the more I learn, the more I ask for in my payrise
05:04 < jay-ros> the faster I grow, the more I get promoted. The more value I offer
05:04 < enix> Maybe he's just strategic? Unless he's pushing away work?
05:05 < jay-ros> No idea. I said to my boss "I don't care how experienced they are, if they stop me working until 7pm I'm happy"
05:05 < enix> TIL I know nothing of perl
05:05 < jay-ros> someone who takes phone calls or puts their hand up to do the shitty work or takes on the projects I'm running, I don't care. I'm competitive but I know best practise better than most, so someone who's better than me can only be better in some way
05:06 < jay-ros> but I need to be able to say X is being covered, and I don't need to think about it, so I can work on Y
05:07 < coderphive> I'm going to start fighting people that say best practice
05:07 < coderphive> like irl, fly you to dallas, fight you in the airport, then bully you back through security
05:08 < enix> best practice
05:08 < JollyRgrs> coderphive: i agree with you
05:08 < jay-ros> coderphive, how about 'the most logically effective way to approach an implementation based on experience, thinking outside of the box, considering diplomatic selling of the approach through management and cost and user levels, and utilizing my combination of laziness and intellect"?
05:08 < enix> jay-ros: yeah I get that. my last job was like that but the company culture couldn't keep anyone around long enough :(
05:08 < JollyRgrs> i that's best practice to fight them at the airport
05:08 < coderphive> I'll see you all at DFW
05:09 < enix> wtfs wrong with best practice
05:09 < coderphive> or DAL
05:09 < enix> standards rule
05:09 < coderphive> you choose
05:09 < coderphive> because there's literally no such thing
05:09 < JollyRgrs> best practice is NOT to get the end user choices, but to tell them what they will need to do
05:10 < coderphive> like at JollyRgrs shop in the middle of nowhere WWII Hungary, their best practice is entirely different from mine
05:10 < joelazot> i do not like users
05:10 < joelazot> users are nearly as retarded as me
05:10 < coderphive> People are like
05:10 < jay-ros> joelazot - do your homework.
05:10 < coderphive> BUT
05:10 < coderphive> DISABLE ROOTLOGIN AMIRITE?
05:10 < joelazot> jay-ros boi its 3:10pm
05:10 < coderphive> What if it's fucking credentialed?
05:10 < joelazot> im still in school
05:11 < coderphive> Then it doesn't matter because it takes like 2000 years to crack the cert
05:12 < coderphive> Damn you chased that boy away
05:12 < enix> coderphive: what's wrong with that?
05:12 < Ayeitzabee> What is even going on
05:12 < coderphive> There's nothing wrong with that, that's my point
05:12 < enix> WHy the fuck do people thing it's ifne to let people log into root via ssh on a public fucking system
05:12 < catbeard> lol you can't hack or nothing, i'm using SSH.  not as if it's transmitted in plain text to a file descriptor
05:12 < coderphive> that's why it's stupid as fuck to call shit "best practice"
05:12 < jay-ros> enix - same as local admin for users, it's ridiculous.
05:12 < coderphive> Why not?
05:13 < jay-ros> I've got a million things to implement
05:13 < Ayeitzabee> Doesn't every user need local admin? :D
05:13 < jay-ros> one is a 'release time' to give them temp access
05:13 < coderphive> If you slam it with firewall policies and certs
05:13 < coderphive> What's the difference between that and your stupid sudo login that you don't restrict?
05:13 < enix> Yeah I get your point
05:13 < enix> You don't need the password to login but you need for sudo...
05:13 < coderphive> best practice reminds me of the argument of where to put the brackets
05:14 < catbeard> how about command only keys
05:14 < enix> It's that extra layer of security
05:14 < coderphive> enix: okay, bet
05:14 < enix> coderphive: On the next line
05:14 < coderphive> enix: give me your key
05:14 < catbeard> enix: not if %sudo or %wheel is NOPASSWD
05:14 < coderphive> I'll fix that 100
05:14 < enix> catbeard: who does that...
05:14 < enix> Hm
05:14 < enix> coderphive: if I get some time today I will setup a server for you.
05:15 < coderphive> At the end of the day, best practice is a bullshit term to defeat peoples arguments
05:15 < coderphive> argue the merits of the decision
05:16 < coderphive> Yeah, it's stupid as fuck to keep root open for a number of reasons. I wouldn't.
05:16 < catbeard> PermitRootLogin no
05:16 < jay-ros> coderphive, we're discussing different arguments
05:16 < catbeard> PasswordAuthentication no
05:16 < catbeard> UseDNS no
05:16 < coderphive> But if you're running a bunch of local servers with no access to the internet is it then still stupid as fuck? no
05:16 < enix> Yeah but would you agree that it would be best practice to prevent people logging in with root, using password, via 0.0.0.0
05:16 < catbeard> or run ssh a nobody with authbind to 22
05:16 < coderphive> no, fuck the term best practice
05:16 < catbeard> that'll fix it
05:16 < coderphive> leave it out
05:16 < enix> What would you say
05:17 < coderphive> There's no fucking consortium that got together and said, "HEAR YE HEAR YE"
05:17 < enix> This is where it's come from... it's not a standard it's just a phrase to describe that it's probably better to follow that advice and that most people do
05:17 < Ayeitzabee> But there is kinda
05:17 < coderphive> The root example is just a basic example
05:17 < coderphive> In what world?
05:17 < enix> WELL MAYBE WE ARE THE CONSORTIUM
05:17 < enix> DID YOU THINK OF THAT
05:17 < Ayeitzabee> ^^
05:17 < jay-ros> coderphive, how about this one
05:17 < coderphive> SPOILER ALERT
05:17 < coderphive> U R NOT
05:17 < jay-ros> server\data
05:17 < jay-ros> server\share
05:17 < jay-ros> share folder has no user permission restrictions
05:18 < jay-ros> I've got a new business that comes under the umbrella
05:18 < coderphive> okay
05:18 < jay-ros> \server\share is available for business2
05:18 < coderphive> tell me "best practice" for my manufacturing device CA
05:18 < coderphive> bet you fucking won't
05:18 < jay-ros> bet you're using specific examples to prove a point instead of discussing the initial point of context
05:18 < jay-ros> ...you win. Good job. Tactics 101
05:18 < catbeard> bet a server from CA would say "Sorry, login accepted."
05:18 < coderphive> jay-ros: thanks bae
05:19 < jay-ros> I'm now going to use my new word "BlarflePump" to replace 'best practise' limiting it specifically to my topic of discussion
05:19 < enix> It doesn't work there
05:19 < coderphive> I gave a high level example of root logins which the point was anywhere you go it can be different, so there's no such thing
05:19 < coderphive> I used to hear that shit in NE all the time
05:19 < catbeard> lol MaxTries means nothing against Beleth
05:19 < enix> It works where someone says "what would be best practice for distributing ssh keys to devices via ansible?"
05:20 < jay-ros> So I know the BlarflePump for users in my environment, and delivering that specific BlarflePump better than the staff that I work alongside
05:20 < coderphive> ...
05:20 < coderphive> What's your answer to that enix?
05:20 < catbeard> now tcpdump with ssl private keys otoh
05:20 < enix> lol no clue haven't done it
05:20 < coderphive> Because I'll tell you my best practice is that you don't distribute keys with config management
05:20 < coderphive> voila
05:20 < Ayeitzabee> I am so fkn confused at what the point of this argument is
05:20 < Ayeitzabee> Like is there a point
05:21 < enix> Ayeitzabee: it's best practice not to ask that question
05:21 < coderphive> ^
05:21 < catbeard> it's best practice to practice the best
05:21 < Ayeitzabee> Fuuuuuuck :D
05:21 < coderphive> That the phrase best practice is dumb as fuck
05:21 < coderphive> That's the lesson
05:21 < enix> Ayeitzabee: it's actually best practice to post your question as a question and not infer your question with a statement
05:21 < coderphive> Go home and study it
05:21 < catbeard> "don't ask to ask, just ask"
05:21 < coderphive> It's best practice not to type on the keyboard after 2200 CST
05:22 < enix> Ayeitzabee: please see RFC2664
05:22 < Ayeitzabee> O.o
05:22 < catbeard> coderphive: with one hand or two
05:22 < coderphive> catbeard: lips only
05:22 < catbeard> nose row
05:22 < catbeard> hunt and peck
05:22 < enix> oh wait wrong RFC sorry haha
05:22 < matty_r> anybody here use KeePassXC on Android? I'm trying to figure out how to get the Firefox browser plugin to talk to Keepass2Android
05:23 < catbeard> why would you do that
05:23 < catbeard> just import to 1password
05:23 < catbeard> or LP
05:23 < matty_r> Why would I do what?
05:23 < catbeard> then you can use fingerprint auth on your android (if it has it) for auth
05:23 < enix> matty_r: on android there are multi-clipboard apps which you can store your passwords in
05:23 <+DrGibby|> PROTIP: WHEN CHANGING SETTINGS ONE FONES SAVE THAT SHIT AND REBEWT
05:23 < coderphive> it's best practice
05:23 < catbeard> lol
05:23 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I was confused at why you said that RFC for a seconds
05:24 < enix> Ayeitzabee: I thought it was an RFC on posing a question. Eh. Live and learn.
05:24 < coderphive> I literally hate you guys
05:24 < matty_r> So I can't use the KeePassXC-Browser plugin?
05:24 < enix> coderphive: me too really
05:24 < catbeard> we hate each other equally
05:24 < Ayeitzabee> coderphive, Well, what do you think about best current practice then?
05:24 < coderphive> lmao
05:24 < enix> Like... deep self loathing.
05:24 < coderphive> Are you guys the late night euro crowd?
05:25 < Ayeitzabee> I ain't
05:25 < enix> Fuck off cunt... AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
05:25 < coderphive> I know one of you is, gave yoruself away with that "best practise"
05:25 < Ayeitzabee> AUSSIE!!
05:25 < catbeard> late night, not euro
05:25 < jay-ros> coderphive - but BlarflePumping is always effective if you approach it with a multi-angled business sense
05:25 < enix> woowwww guys i'm really annoyed right now
05:25 < jay-ros> Ayeitzabee - have you fucked off yet?
05:25 < enix> Especially with you jay-ros
05:25 < catbeard> i left my blarflepump at home
05:25 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, I don't think so?
05:25 < jay-ros> jesus, this guy...
05:25 < coderphive> I honestly have no idea wtf that is
05:26 < catbeard> it's like a a dinglehopper
05:26 < enix> I bet you had to google who daryl braithwaite is.
05:26 < catbeard> but a blarflepump
05:26 < coderphive> Is that like that weird veggie shit you guys eat?
05:26 < jay-ros> coderphive - you mean eggplant?
05:26 < enix> woah woah woah
05:26 < enix> what do you mean by "you guys"
05:26 < enix> huh?
05:26 < coderphive> vegemite
05:26 < jay-ros> he means us, eni
05:26 < catbeard> "you fucks?"
05:26 < jay-ros> enix*
05:26 < Ayeitzabee> Wow
05:26 < coderphive> Yes, you people
05:26 < coderphive> Aussie triggering 2018
05:26 < jay-ros> I don't mind that. Aussies are aussies
05:26 < Ayeitzabee> ^
05:26 < catbeard> i was gonna say vegemite
05:27 < coderphive> Hunterkll: I need American backup
05:27 < coderphive> wave the flag
05:27 < Ayeitzabee> It is a culture, deal wit it coderphive
05:27 < catbeard> so is Hamas
05:27 < enix> You know an aussies triggered when he says "OI YEAH NAH LISTEN HERE CUNT"
05:27 < coderphive> vegemite culture
05:27 < Ayeitzabee> with*
05:27 < enix> Other than that.. it's just jesting
05:27 < genr8_> CIGGY BUTT BRAIN
05:27 < jay-ros> Yep, we work hard, play hard, eat hard, scrabble hard
05:27 < enix> COME OVER FOR A BEER MATE
05:27 < jay-ros> proud true blue aussies
05:27 < Ayeitzabee> "YEAH NAH GET FUCKED"
05:27 < coderphive> u w0t m8
05:27 < catbeard> FAWSTAHS, AUSTROLYON FAW CRAP
05:28 < jay-ros> 'Am I ever gonna see your face again"
05:28 < Ayeitzabee> Speaking of disappointments, Origin this year ;_;
05:28 < enix> Ayeitzabee: wasn't it the greatest
05:28 < enix> :D
05:28 < catbeard> like NZ people, but fatter :D
05:28 < genericanon> Howdy folks :)
05:28 < enix> catbeard: oi yeah nah listen here mate
05:28 < catbeard> ahahaha
05:28 < Ayeitzabee> enix, it was great if you like men
05:28 < catbeard> !triggered
05:29 < enix> Ayeitzabee: A stunning victory
05:29 < coderphive> HEY
05:29 < coderphive> NZED
05:29 < Ayeitzabee> HEY
05:29 < coderphive> idk what else I was going to say
05:29 < Ayeitzabee> SHEEP FUCKERS
05:29 < catbeard> LISTEN!
05:29 < enix> Ayeitzabee: <----
05:29 < enix> hahaha
05:30 < coderphive> I wonder if there's an Australian Linux
05:30 < enix> coderphive: puppylinux
05:30 < coderphive> That makes sense
05:30  * enix holds his fist to his heart patriotically 
05:30 < catbeard> it's called "Hey guyz, i'm using ArchLinux"
05:30 < enix> I should make one though. Default wallpaper would be a tough pic
05:30 < coderphive> Arch belongs to no man
05:30 < genericanon> I'm a true-born aussie AMA
05:30 < enix> Do you go Julia Gillard or Pauline Hanson?
05:30 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Kangaroo Linux?
05:30 < catbeard> i like Gerard Depardeiu
05:30 < enix> roonix?
05:30 < catbeard> prove me wrong
05:31 < coderphive> tbh I think Aussie's are actually allowed to do AMA's just bc they're Aussies
05:31 < enix> I woulda called it Chazwazza
05:31 < Ayeitzabee> Dropbear enix?
05:31 < catbeard> idgiot
05:31 < Ayeitzabee> Shazzaware
05:32 < catbeard> NZ is that where .. you know... hobbits ... live?
05:32 < catbeard> :)
05:32 < Ayeitzabee> catbeard, Pretty much
05:32 < enix> are those the people that run around screaming with their tongue out
05:33 < Ayeitzabee> enix, We have those here as well, they are just called crack heads
05:33 < catbeard> ppl that live on a house built on the side of a island like Ireland because fuck you
05:33 < enix> Do you think it's called ireland because the dude had a really thick accent
05:33 < catbeard> gotta have a helicopter just to land
05:34 < enix> gotta hit the thunderjack lads
05:34 < enix> bbl
05:34 < catbeard> McNo
05:34 < catbeard> guess that may actually be MacNo
05:35 < genr8_> Internet service provider (ISP) of the ip address 1.123.4.0 is Telstra, which is operating in the region Adelaide, South Australia, Australia.
05:36 < catbeard> gj WHOIS'ing genericanon
05:36 < catbeard> couldn't possibly be a proxy/vpn
05:36 < genr8_> you dont see IPs like that everyday
05:37 < catbeard> i remember the 5/8 IPs from hamachi
05:37 < catbeard> pepperidge farm remembers too
05:38 < catbeard> also btw Bayer just completed the purchase of Monsanto, but are keeping the name Bayer because of the bad press associated with Monsanto
05:38 < catbeard> pass it on
05:38 < genr8_> yea i heard that
05:39 < catbeard> so next time you take a bayer pill, just remember to take it with a Coke made from Monsanto corn
05:40 < catbeard> nothing bad will happen.. maybe
05:40 < javi404> catbeard: coke from coca plant?
05:40 < javi404> or coca cola?
05:40 < catbeard> their new OJ isn't bad, Agent Orange
05:40 < catbeard> coca cola
05:40 < javi404> I don't drink anything with HFCS
05:40 < catbeard> or glyphosate
05:40 < javi404> that too
05:41 < catbeard> not going around drinking RoundUp but ..
05:41 < catbeard> after it rots your teeth, better check your skin
05:42 < jay-ros> fuck I missed the aussie bashing jokes
05:43 < jay-ros> too busy belting the shit out of the AU/NZ citrix BDM for a shit product
05:44 < catbeard> too busy watching M.A.S.H.
05:54 < monoxane> coderphive yea aussie linux is called debian
05:55 < monoxane> just enough to have fun with but not too much that we cant defend against snakes while we fix it
05:55 < coderphive> uh
05:55 < coderphive> oh haha
05:55 < coderphive> I was about to say, Debian was made in merica
05:57 < monoxane> if you want something made in australia, the CSRIAC 'OS'
05:57 < monoxane> really just punched card assembly language lol
06:10 < matty_r> fuck keepass
06:10 < matty_r> stupid garbage
06:10 < enix> ?
06:10 < matty_r> coming from LastPass. KeePass is pretty janky
06:10 < enix> Oh fuck yeah
06:11 < matty_r> ah well. I tried it
06:11 < enix> But at least your data's your own
06:11 < matty_r> Thats true. But i'm used to how good LastPass is
06:12 < enix> I actually ended up disabling it
06:12 < enix> kept fucking up my login forms :(
06:12 < matty_r> disabling what?
06:12 < enix> Lastpass autofill
06:12 < enix> I have it for storing passwords though.. but hate autofill
06:12 < enix> It never listened to my blacklist -.-
06:12 < matty_r> ah yea
06:13 < matty_r> I haven't had issues like that
06:13 < matty_r> fortunately
06:13 < enix> lucky you
06:13 < enix> bbl have to go for a walk
06:16 < genr8_> the integration on lastpass is better now. it barely fucks up
06:17 < matty_r> I really wanted to like KeePass but it just isn't there yet I don't think
06:17 < genr8_> lollll
06:17 < genr8_> er wrong thing
06:17 < jay-ros> hi matty_r, long time no chat
06:18 < jay-ros> how's tricks?
06:18 < genr8_> keepass is just like a standalone vault
06:18 < genr8_> its good for that
06:18 < jay-ros> genr8_ I find cherrytree better
06:18 < genr8_> if you wanna actually use it... then well.. gl
06:18 < jay-ros> it's like keepass, but has text files. I wish I could merge the two
06:18 < genr8_> interesting
06:19 < jay-ros> https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/
06:19 < matty_r> jay-ros: ay mate
06:19 < matty_r> yea i'm rarely here these days
06:19 < jay-ros> password locked notepad. it's dreamy
06:19 < jay-ros> I'm in the process of teaching the new guy command prompt
06:19 < Hunterkll> matty_r, keepass has far far less of a compromise history than lastpass and allows so many more varied key management/login functions
06:19 < Hunterkll> lol
06:20 < jay-ros> set datef=%date:~10,4%%date:~4,2%%date:~7,2% - "it'll save you about an hour of typing"
06:20 < Hunterkll> hell i store cryptographic data files like TPM backups, cert priv keys, etc
06:20 < Hunterkll> i just leave the database file in onedrive folder
06:20 < Hunterkll> :P
06:20 < matty_r> Yea I have my own Nextcloud instance. THat part was easy
06:20 < jay-ros> Hunterkll - the joys of saying "this is a secure product. Try to break it, let me know if you can. I'll fix that break"
06:20 < jay-ros> I've always been a fan
06:20 < matty_r> its the autofill that was hot garbage
06:20 < Hunterkll> I absolutely refuse to use autofill
06:21 < Hunterkll> it's insecure as fuck for more than just lastpass being cloud based
06:23 < matty_r> I don't disagree with you
06:23 < matty_r> but its convenient
06:24 < matty_r> no matter how you go about it, somewhere along the line it's insecure
06:25 < Hunterkll> keepass is pretty much the best you can get with all factors invovled
06:25 < Hunterkll> my windows domain account is part of the composite key, as well as a key file and password
06:25 < Hunterkll> so you'd have to have the key file, on one of my home domain joined computers (which use smartcard login), and the password
06:25 < Hunterkll> :)
06:25 < matty_r> thats a different use case to mine
06:25 < Hunterkll> matty_r, my use case is personal banking info
06:26 < Hunterkll> lol
06:26 < Hunterkll> and personal site stuff
06:26 < matty_r> sure
06:26 < Hunterkll> well, pretty much anything online
06:26 < Hunterkll> my battle.net authenticator recovery code is in there, etc
06:26 < Hunterkll> hell, even porn site credentials
06:26 < Hunterkll> i guard that shit better than my work passwords :D
06:27 < matty_r> i doubt that lol
06:27 < Manfred> I wanna play my bagpipes.
06:27 < jay-ros> I keep my keypass password on a post it note on my desk
06:27 < Manfred> Why must it be 1am.
06:27 < Hunterkll> matty_r, no, really, it's true
06:27 < Hunterkll> my personal keepass is more secured than any work data
06:27 < jay-ros> and I write the password to my pc below it
06:27 < Hunterkll> work keepass on my work laptop only has a password
06:27 < jay-ros> #ManagerTactics
06:27 < Hunterkll> if you're on my work machine, and i've logged into the vault, it's all a web based application that i mostly copy into the keepass anyway
06:27 < Hunterkll> since it's a pain in the ass to use
06:28 < Hunterkll> some passwords are on windows sticky notes for quick use due to frequency
06:28 < Hunterkll> i'm horrible
06:28 < Hunterkll> lol
06:28 < matty_r> my use case was crossplatform autofill. Keepass is not as good as LastPass in that instance. I fully understand as a password management tool, KeePass is superior
06:28 < jay-ros> Hunterkll - you can always move the words around in the password to confuse people
06:28 < jay-ros> :)
06:28 < Hunterkll> jay-ros, makes it harder to copy/paste
06:28 < Hunterkll> :(
06:29 < Hunterkll> tho i'm bad with the windows stickynotes
06:29 < Hunterkll> soooo much shit in it
06:29 < Hunterkll> server info, deployment plans, etc
06:29 < Hunterkll> my OneNote only has my powershell script for exporting all monitored systems
06:29 < Hunterkll> lol
06:29 < Hunterkll> on the plus side i'm a jedi at recovering windows sticky note data
06:29 < jay-ros> Hunterkll - powershell script that adds text to clipboard, published as .exe, saved to a location on the pc, shortcut on the desktop, key combo assigned to shortcut
06:29 <+A-KO> sigh
06:29 < genr8_> all keeppass needs is a good browser extension
06:29 <+A-KO> welp
06:29 <+A-KO> time to power off machine and play drive roulette
06:30 < Hunterkll> A-KO, you know, you can get the serial numbers
06:30 < jay-ros> ctrl + shift + r - password for <item> - press it and paste into website
06:30 < Hunterkll> from powershell
06:30 < Hunterkll> or even storage spaces
06:30 < matty_r> genr8_: keepassxc-browser
06:30 < Hunterkll> A-KO, that way you don't pull the bad one :P
06:30 < Hunterkll> serial number is displayed in storage spaces manager
06:30 < Hunterkll> er
06:30 < Hunterkll> that way you only pull the bad one
06:30 < matty_r> worked well enough on my desktop
06:30 < Hunterkll> lol
06:30 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: yeah but I have to pull them out to look at 'em
06:30 <+A-KO> anyways
06:30 <+A-KO> brb while I do that
06:30 < Hunterkll> ah
06:31 < Hunterkll> jay-ros, why would i want to install a hook into my browser that makes it easier for a malicious site to get my shit?
06:31 < Hunterkll> lol
06:31 < Hunterkll> then again i don't use browser plugins in general
06:31 < jay-ros> Hunterkll - because you're an independent young man who doesn't need no hacker to tell you what to do
06:31 < matty_r> and you probably use chrome with a google account
06:32 < matty_r> lol
06:32 < Hunterkll> matty_r, mostly Edge, actually, chrome with google account is just for porn & fanfic bookmarks
06:32 < jay-ros> realistically, you would be using clipboard and keyloggers wouldn't pick up your password
06:32 < Hunterkll> i have ninite pro to keep chrome & FF up to date automagically - need it with how little i use the others
06:32 < Hunterkll> Edge has far better 0-day mitigation tech than chrome or FF
06:32 < Hunterkll> we even enforce it as the default at work because of that
06:33 < Hunterkll> :>
06:33 < matty_r> makes sense you're not using any plugins. Considering Edge has no plugins
06:33 < matty_r> lol
06:33 < Hunterkll> huh?
06:33 < Hunterkll> matty_r, since when?
06:33 < matty_r> i'm being sarcastic
06:33 < matty_r>  /s
06:34 < Hunterkll> it's got every plugin i've ever heard of in mainstream use, even tampermonkey
06:34 < matty_r> Would you really prefer Microsoft to collect your data than Mozilla though?
06:34 < Hunterkll> Well, since no data is being sent, then sure i'd prefer microsoft
06:35 < matty_r> I wouldn't say that.
06:35 < Hunterkll> I would, i've MITM'd and inspected the windows telemetry system since everyone started making a huge fuss about it
06:35 < matty_r> You're using Edge on a Windows 10 machine
06:35 < Hunterkll> like that bullshit keylogger that was -gasp- just sending keystrokes in the start search box to do web autocomplete, and only to the bing search engine ...
06:35 < Hunterkll> which... has a toggle switch to turn off...
06:36 < Hunterkll> but nah, i just don't really see any real value in browser plugins for me
06:36 < Hunterkll> so i don't use 'em
06:36 < matty_r> fair enough
06:37 < Hunterkll> and chrome with a google account is actually reasonably secure-ish for your saved data
06:37 < Hunterkll> since your account password is used to encrypt it on google's side for bookmarks and stuff
06:37 < Hunterkll> it actually took me like 6 months when i logged into chrome again to find a previous password to recover old bookmark data
06:37 < Hunterkll> lol
06:37 < Hunterkll> since it couldn't be recovered without it
06:37 < Hunterkll> I didn't even really use plugins on phoenix
06:37 < Hunterkll> i just don't visit shitty websites. :P
06:38 < matty_r> Yea sure, thats only one part of the equation though.
06:38 < Hunterkll> I do have a few netscape plugins I use, but they're very limited use case, obviously
06:38 < matty_r> I'm more talking about, tracking your usage
06:38 < Hunterkll> MS doesn't track URL visitation, etc
06:38 < Hunterkll> chrome damn well does
06:38 < matty_r> not necessarily the security of your passwords
06:38 < Hunterkll> at least if you're isgned into google
06:38 < Hunterkll> matty_r, i was talking bookmark data, not password vault, i don't use that bit so id on't know about it
06:39 < matty_r> I think we're talking about different things at this point lol
06:39 < Hunterkll> password vault data is protected the same way i'm sure
06:39 < Hunterkll> i just have no experience with it
06:40 < Hunterkll> but i do know Edge and IE don't track what sites you visit, etc
06:40 < matty_r> likely - but I certainly wouldn't trust passwords with Google
06:40 < matty_r> yea, thats a good thing
06:40 < Hunterkll> it will track usage hours in the default setting though (- like as in - GUID X used Edge for 15 hours in the past 24 hour period )
06:40 < Hunterkll> that i can validate with hard data since i went down that rabbit hole when win10 was new and there waws all that fud about it
06:40 < matty_r> you should lookup your browser thumbprint and see what they've got on you anyway
06:40 < matty_r> even if microsoft doesn't track it, someone does
06:40 < Hunterkll> and hell they even actually have telemetry data viewers now for you instead of having to do what i do
06:41 < jay-ros> $Boss just quoted the wrong VLAN configurations to the tech for network configuration
06:41 < Hunterkll> oh sure, i was just going off on that tangent because you were like "Oh but you use Edge on Windows 10" ;p
06:41 < Hunterkll> lol
06:41 < jay-ros> lucky I have amazing earsight
06:41 < matty_r> Hunterkll: Well yea, I was referring to all the telemetry stuff
06:41 < jay-ros> it was about to be set up backwards, VLAN114 subnet 13 on one side, VLAN113 subnet 13 on the other
06:41 < Hunterkll> matty_r, 99% of the fear of it is FUD and people who have no idea what it actaully sends/does
06:41 < jay-ros> 113 / subnet 14*
06:42 < matty_r> Hunterkll: probably. I'd never say i'd trust Microsoft though, they're pretty sneaky
06:42 < Hunterkll> matty_r, which is why i MITM'd and severely fucked with windows's encryption settings lol
06:42 < matty_r> Considering how much that data is worth, if you're using their OS there is nothing you can hide from it
06:42 < Hunterkll> and cert stores
06:43 < matty_r> yea well.. you're something else ha ha
06:43 < Hunterkll> matty_r, but they provide an easy to use data viewer
06:43 < Hunterkll> matty_r, well, see, my logic is "You all have to be wrong since to microsoft you're literally not the product, just like apple"
06:44 < matty_r> You're saying you'd trust Microsoft over Google?
06:44 < genr8_> i dont believe thats right. i think it does track most used sites. sec.
06:44 < Hunterkll> matty_r, absolutely.
06:44 < Hunterkll> 10000%
06:44 < matty_r> i'd agree with that
06:44 < Hunterkll> same with apple
06:44 < matty_r> better the devil you know? ha ha
06:44 < genr8_> Check your Data Diagnostic Viewer
06:44 < matty_r> Hunterkll: yep, thats a fair statement
06:45 < Hunterkll> not really, better the devil you're giving money too and have grounds to sue if they're lying in their TOS/AUP/EULA, then the devil you sign a TOS/AUP/EULA that blatantly allows them to take everything
06:45 < Hunterkll> seriously. if all the worst fears were ever found true microsoft would be in a SERIOUS world of hurt
06:45 < matty_r> Hunterkll: lol imagine you trying to sue Microsoft ha ha
06:45 < Hunterkll> people do it all the time and win
06:45 < Hunterkll> even in small claims court
06:45 < matty_r> you're richer than I am
06:45 < Hunterkll> though, that type of data, would be a huge class action
06:46 < Hunterkll> with FTC action, etc
06:46 < matty_r> thats true
06:46 <+A-KO> okay
06:46 <+A-KO> preparing the usb drive for removal from the pool
06:46 <+A-KO> woooo
06:46 < matty_r> there'd be pretty serious consqeuences for that. depending on damage done
06:46 < Hunterkll> matty_r, people routinely sue for their windows license fee back from OEMs that say "go to microsoft"
06:46 < matty_r> Hunterkll: what do you mean?
06:46 < genr8_> theres this whole page, and i wouldnt be surprised if theres more to this: https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10-microsoft-edge-and-privacy
06:46 < Hunterkll> file for like $20 in small claims, show up, collect $200-300, have a happy day
06:46 < matty_r> To get the actual product kiey?
06:46 < Hunterkll> no no
06:46 < Hunterkll> matty_r, say you buy a PC from dell and want to returnt he windows that came with it because you only use linux
06:47 < Hunterkll> genr8_, a fair bit determins on your settings, - and these questions are asked during install
06:47 <+A-KO> welp Hunterkll
06:47 < genr8_> assuming it respects them
06:47 <+A-KO> guess I'm stuck on this version of Windows atm lol
06:47 < Hunterkll> genr8_, you can validate this though
06:47 <+A-KO> upgraded the pool
06:47 < Hunterkll> lol
06:48 <+A-KO> I'd need enterprise ISO for 17704 or something LOL
06:48 < Hunterkll> the key bit is that #1 - the data is anoniyzed to the point it's useless for tracking (one bit of telemetry has different identifiers than the next to actually make sure it can't be used this way)
06:48 <+A-KO> which I might need anyway
06:48 < Hunterkll> A-KO, can't just WU ?
06:48 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: could, but not sure how windows behaves with a newer pool, etc.
06:48 < Hunterkll> no issues
06:48 < matty_r> Hunterkll: How would you win that though? You've bought the machine knowing it comes with Windows installed
06:48 <+A-KO> I will have to rebuild on Enterprise anyway
06:48 < Hunterkll> A-KO, it's just meta data versioning, i believe, at this point - i upgrade pool every version or two
06:48 <+A-KO> because, well
06:48 < Hunterkll> matty_r, but you didn't accept the EULA
06:48 <+A-KO> ReFS
06:48 <+A-KO> need ReFS
06:48 < Hunterkll> you never booted into windows to EULA
06:48 < genr8_> Enterprise editions still have downgrade rights
06:49 < Hunterkll> A-KO, you can in-place upgrade to it
06:49 < Hunterkll> using just the key
06:49 < Hunterkll> from MAPS or MSDN
06:49 < Hunterkll> edition upgrade
06:49 < Hunterkll> no need to reinstall if you're on pro
06:49 <+A-KO> oh
06:49 < Hunterkll> just slmgr /ipk the right edition key
06:49 < matty_r> Hunterkll: But accepting the EULA has nothing to do with the sale of the PC
06:49 < genr8_> yea pro can upgrade to enterprise
06:49 < Hunterkll> matty_r, right, but the windows license isn't part of the pc itself
06:49 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: I got a new toy
06:49 < Hunterkll> matty_r, this has been happenign for a LONG time - https://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7040
06:50 < Hunterkll> tutorial on how to do it in cali from 2003
06:50 < Hunterkll> lol
06:50 < matty_r> you don't pay a seperate fee. It's part of the cost of the machine
06:50 < Hunterkll> no, it's an addon cost included in the cost of the machine
06:50 < matty_r> What if it's listed as coming with it, for free
06:50 < Hunterkll> it's not, unless it's a specific class of machines
06:50 < genr8_> doesnt matter. the machine would be X $ cheaper without it.
06:51 < Hunterkll> the OEM had to pay for windows
06:51 < Hunterkll> genr8_, not always, sometimes it could be more, depending on crapware deals
06:51 < genr8_> more than X ?
06:51 < Hunterkll> the crapware the OEM is paid to put in there can actually subsidize the cost of the windows license and more
06:51 < matty_r> Subsidized
06:51 < Hunterkll> but that argument still hasn't flown in court so ;)
06:51 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: https://imgur.com/a/QROnxRa :D
06:51 < matty_r> So who are you sueing then? Microsoft of the OEM?
06:51 < matty_r> or*
06:52 < Hunterkll> matty_r, depends on who you can convince and who says what
06:52 < matty_r> This whole thing seems outrageous to me
06:52 < Hunterkll> matty_r, also, Microsoft's EUAL says if you don't agree to the terms, return it to place of purchase for a refund
06:52 < Hunterkll> the EULA guarantees a refund
06:52 < Hunterkll> :)
06:52 < matty_r> Ah well, thats different
06:52 < genr8_> it would be worth at least $20
06:52 < Hunterkll> if vendor won't take it then you go straight to MS
06:52 < matty_r> I didn't know it said that
06:52 < matty_r> As you were
06:53 < matty_r> Would you have to prove that you've never accepted the EULA though?
06:53 < matty_r> Or is it per install
06:53 < Hunterkll> per device
06:53 < Hunterkll> for first poweron
06:53 < matty_r> so it's a seperate OEM EULA?
06:53 < Hunterkll> matty_r, that's why some orgs have gone sneaky by making the sticker on the power button the EULA acceptance, etc
06:53 < Hunterkll> no, it's the windows eula
06:53 < Hunterkll> but if you don't accept it and just reformat, you're entitled toa  refund
06:54 < matty_r> How do they determine the price then for the refund?
06:54 < Hunterkll> Retail value, because you bought the computer at retail
06:54 < genr8_> do you have to return your COA ?
06:54 < Hunterkll> and whatg you would have paid for the software separately is the valid cost
06:54 < matty_r> interesting
06:55 < matty_r> I wonder if that's been done in Australia
06:55 < Hunterkll> https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-windows-tax-fight-is-finally-over-buyers-can-get-a-refund-on-their-microsoft-os-in-italy/
06:55 < Hunterkll> Italy says "fuck it you get it now just ask"
06:55 < genr8_> say your claim gets accepted and you get a refund.... then you could still use your old key
06:55 < genr8_> they arent gonna bother to blacklist it or ask for it back
06:55 < genr8_> are they
06:55 < Hunterkll> not really
06:55 < Hunterkll> so yea you could
06:55 < Hunterkll> lol
06:55 < Hunterkll> that'd be illegal tho
06:55 < Hunterkll> so do n't do that
06:56 < matty_r> just use the safer way of using a keygen and crack
06:56 < matty_r> ha ha
06:56 < Hunterkll> matty_r, one of the bigger arguments available in the early early cases before precedent was settled up, was that OEMs were refusing to sell systems without windows
06:56 < Hunterkll> period
06:56 < genr8_> can we still get a free upgrade to 10 from a legit 7
06:56 < Hunterkll> genr8_, not legally, but technically it still works
06:56 < Hunterkll> legally the offer ended in 2016
06:56 < genr8_> thought so
06:56 < Hunterkll> technically microsoft fucked up and didn't make any way to really track it and the activation system is fast and loose
06:56 < Hunterkll> you can upgrade a dazloader 7 to get an activated win10
06:57 < matty_r> lol
06:57 < genr8_> yeah i know lol
06:57 < matty_r> thats cool
06:57 < Hunterkll> note that's not a legitimate license - for authorization to use the software you need two components: A Legitimate License &&AND&&& valid activation
06:57 < genr8_> really the only thing im surprised it still works is
06:57 < Hunterkll> so they're explicitly two separate components in the EULA
06:57 < Hunterkll> genr8_, for people doing legit reinstalls using their old keys and shit, it has to be fast & lose
06:57 < matty_r> Can probably tell, but it would cost too much money/time to implement something
06:57 < Hunterkll> and they never back-end tracked it
06:57 < Hunterkll> they just implemented the old activation algo into the newer media
06:58 <+A-KO> huh
06:58 <+A-KO> that's interesting
06:58 <+A-KO> the drive WD sent bac kto me doesn't report a model
06:58 < Hunterkll> lol
06:58 <+A-KO> oh it does
06:58 <+A-KO> nm
06:58 < Hunterkll> they sent you cheap seagates they got and are hiding it\:P
06:58 <+A-KO> LOL
06:58 < matty_r> Seagate is the worst
06:58 <+A-KO> WDC WD40EFRX-68WT0N0
06:58 < Hunterkll> they scavenged a flooded factory for RMA units
06:58 < genr8_> white label hard drives exist
06:58 < Hunterkll> matty_r, backblaze data says that is not true
06:58 < Hunterkll> lol
06:59 < Hunterkll> especially 8tb+ drives
06:59 < matty_r> shut up. My opinion is truth
06:59 < Hunterkll> i had no qualms about buying my two 10TB ironwolf drives
06:59 < genr8_> backblaze is the one that perpetuated that myth
06:59 < genr8_> so thats their own fault
06:59 < Hunterkll> oh, smaller drives are still rough
06:59 < genr8_> now everyone believes seagate is shit
06:59 < Hunterkll> genr8_, this is recent data
06:59 < Hunterkll> like 2017 data
06:59 < genr8_> but but. the 3TB model sticks in everyones brain
06:59 < genr8_> only that mattres
06:59 < Hunterkll> that shows failure rates falling closer to (still slightly higher) than it
06:59 < Hunterkll> lol
06:59 < Hunterkll> i have a failed 1TB here
06:59 < Hunterkll> 3rd RMA in a row from seagate
06:59 < matty_r> Never ever used Backblaze before. From personal experience i've had heaps of issues with Seagates over the years
06:59 < Hunterkll> i wouldn't buy their desktop drives
07:00 < Hunterkll> matty_r, backblaze goes through shitloads of drives from every vendor and reports the data often
07:00 < genr8_> the desktop drives are distinctly worse in class ever since the barracuda 7200.12
07:00 < Hunterkll> on failure rates, models, etc
07:00 < Hunterkll> genr8_, yea, the 10TB's i have are the IronWolf NAS drives
07:00 < Hunterkll> He filled ones, too, i think
07:01 < matty_r> 10TB drive? thats game
07:01 < Hunterkll> eh
07:01 < Hunterkll> i still need 4 more
07:01 < Hunterkll> i'm only at 30.9 TB RAW non-SSD space in my desktop
07:01 < matty_r> trying to increase the epeen
07:01 < Hunterkll> had to get 10TB drives because of the size of my 3-way mirror and the fact that i was going from a case that could hold 13 drives to one that could hold 6 drives
07:01 < Hunterkll> THAT was fun storage space restructuring juggling
07:02 < genr8_> ive been telnetting into my old seagate 7200.11's. connected via a USB to serial TTL cable on the drive itself. i was able to essentialy low level format them and re-use them for a while but they are kinda toast now. but very fun to muck with
07:02 < Hunterkll> well
07:02 < Hunterkll> you didn't LLF them
07:02 < genr8_> its kinda shit that hard drives dont want you interacting with them
07:02 < Hunterkll> since that's factory spec. unchangable. LLF hasn't actually existed since MFM drives
07:02 < Hunterkll> you can possibly force it to retry old bad sectors
07:02 < Hunterkll> but that's about it
07:02 < genr8_> it rewrites the tracking information so. essentially.
07:03 < genr8_> not on these ones
07:03 < genr8_> you can go real deep and investigate the firmware of the drive
07:03 < Hunterkll> the firmware doesn't change how some other parts of it work
07:04 < Hunterkll> oh that's cute
07:04 < Hunterkll> voice coil control data reset
07:04 < genr8_> true, you can only do so much
07:04 < Hunterkll> not platter write but still
07:04 < Hunterkll> not even close to a LLF
07:04 < Hunterkll> and erasing the bad sector data
07:04 < genr8_> it does have it.
07:04 < Hunterkll> dangerous
07:04 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: woo gotta send this shit back tomorrow
07:04 < genr8_> you can do that to, erase the G-list
07:04 < Hunterkll> lol
07:05 < Hunterkll> erasing the smart data too
07:05 < Hunterkll> cute
07:05 < genr8_> yea lol
07:05 < Hunterkll> still not an LLF
07:05 < Hunterkll> by nature of how the drives function LLF is relatively meaningless
07:05 < genr8_> where are you getting the list of capabilities
07:05 < Hunterkll> articles about what you did
07:06 < genr8_> let me open a log
07:06 < genr8_> InitiateMarkPendingReallocateRequest for disc_lba: AEA86E2F!
07:07 < Hunterkll> looks like the two failure modes weren't related to platter data anyway
07:07 < Hunterkll> but controller fuckups
07:07 < genr8_> yeah in those common cases. thats how i found out about it
07:08 < enix> Asked the coca cola guy how I can fix the vending machines on campus
07:08 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: I like how we treat our desktop systems as enterprise grade servers
07:08 <+A-KO> lolol
07:08 < enix> He's like "you're in IT aren't ya?" "yeah..." "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
07:08 < enix> WOWWWWW
07:09 < Hunterkll> lol
07:09 < enix> A-KO: You would too with a porn collection like mine.
07:09 < Hunterkll> |^
07:09 < Hunterkll> A-KO, nah, actually, mine's more powerful
07:09 < jay-ros> Enix, easiest way to fix the issue
07:09 < Hunterkll> :P
07:09 <+A-KO> enix: I now have enough physical disks to do a 3-way mirror of my data
07:09 <+A-KO> if I get another? I'll have a hot spare :D
07:09 < jay-ros> enix; https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cutting-Tool-Diamond-Tip-Antislip-Metal-Handle-Steel-Blade-Oil-Feed-Glass-Cutter-/381736846970
07:10 < genr8_> Level 4 - Servo Tracking Commands
07:11 < enix> jay-ros: idk what's more concerning; the fact you think I should know that exists or the fact that you probably know that I could put it to use
07:13 < Hunterkll> enix, i mean, glass cutters are pretty common
07:13 < Hunterkll> now knowing about blades like these -> https://www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/diamond/ultrathin.aspx
07:13 < Hunterkll> is a different world
07:13 < Hunterkll> shit'll go through human bone like a hot knife through butter
07:13 < Hunterkll> :D
07:13 < genr8_> Hunterkll: Physical to Logical Sector remappings on the drive-level (ie, from bad-sector spare pool) and or resetting the defect list doesnt count as a low level format? combined with the fact you can adjust servo tracking gain and also when it rewrites the drive layout with the heads in current/degraded condition, it will be more likely to read the drive.
07:14 < Hunterkll> genr8_, no, it doesn't
07:14 < Hunterkll> that's just resetting data on the controller
07:14 < Hunterkll> re-writing the drive layout isn't quite "true" either
07:14 < Hunterkll> HAH
07:14 < Hunterkll> A-KO WENT TO THE DARK SIDE
07:15 < enix> Hunterkll: I know they exist, just not in such an easy to use package
07:15 < genr8_> tell me what this image means to you https://puu.sh/AQ3fz/2c119432e0.png
07:16 < Hunterkll> it's just a glass scoring machine enix
07:16 < Hunterkll> er, tool
07:16 < Hunterkll> then you snap it
07:16 < Hunterkll> genr8_, looks like how to control how sectors are skipped
07:16 < genr8_> on a low level.
07:16 < genr8_> physical level
07:17 < Hunterkll> it's just telling the controller to skip or not skip a sector
07:18 < Hunterkll> genr8_, modern disks use a different type of tech from when the term 'low level format' was even a valid term - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servowriter
07:18 < Hunterkll> modern drives can't write their own track data
07:18 < Hunterkll> it's too small
07:18 < genr8_> i feel like this one is
07:19 < genr8_> hmm ok fairly i never heard of this
07:19 < Hunterkll> and voice coil alignment is kind of a 'joke' too because how it slams back to the safety catch
07:19 < Hunterkll> and it doesn't have alignment
07:19 < Hunterkll> when a drive spins up it hits the safe area, beurnolli effect causes head lift to work once they're off the ramp, then it finds the alignment markings
07:20 < Hunterkll> it doesn't accurately position the head at all on startp, has to find alignment tracks
07:20 < Hunterkll> i'm sure ****SOME**** drives had firmware capabilities (i've felt with a few) that weren't FM/MFM drives, but those were ST-501 and early IDE interface
07:20 < Hunterkll> like, 30MB in a GRiD laptop early IDE
07:21 < Hunterkll> 30MB in a 3.5" drive, that is
07:21 < Hunterkll> this all changed in the mid 90s
07:21 < Hunterkll> what you can do is blank all the data and make it think it's factory fresh, then 0-fill to do bad sector detection
07:21 < genr8_> well this was beyond that.
07:21 <+A-KO> come on and hurry up and remove this damn usb drive, storage space
07:21 <+A-KO> wtf
07:21 < Hunterkll> A-KO, you're in for a while
07:21 < Hunterkll> lol
07:22 < Hunterkll> crack open a cold one with the boys and kick back :P
07:22 <+A-KO> lol
07:22 < genr8_> you can set the Head Settling time on the servo seeking commands
07:22 <+A-KO> it's "preparing for removal"
07:22 < Hunterkll> yes
07:22 < Hunterkll> this takes a while
07:22 < Hunterkll> A-KO, it makes sure it has a mirror copy, then validates both copies, then deletes off the original, if i recall properly
07:22 <+A-KO> I see
07:22 < Hunterkll> so once it's sure it has 3 copies all identical then it marks it done
07:22 <+A-KO> WELP
07:22 <+A-KO> Overwatch it is
07:22 < Hunterkll> looool
07:23 <+A-KO> dude download and install PTR
07:23 <+A-KO> you can play as the hamster ball
07:23 < Hunterkll> PTR?
07:23 <+A-KO> Public Test
07:23 < Hunterkll> lol
07:23 <+A-KO> just fire up the app and in the dropdown for Region/Account choose "Public Test Region"
07:23 <+A-KO> and install it
07:23 < Hunterkll> genr8_, yea, depends on how much of a dick you wanna be to the lifespan of the drive for that setting
07:23 < Hunterkll> A-KO, goddamnit i only have so many terabytes of SSD :P
07:24 < Hunterkll> 453982
07:24 < Hunterkll> er
07:24 < genr8_> https://patents.google.com/patent/US5257252
07:25 < Hunterkll> genr8_, yes, that's how the head finds the index tracks
07:25 < Hunterkll> it autocorrects
07:25 < genr8_> except im researching that this drive has a Servo "packwriter mode"
07:25 < Hunterkll> so misalignment isn't normally a technically possible problem
07:27 < Hunterkll> genr8_, looks like raw mag writing, but still doesn't change alignment or sectoring
07:27 < genr8_> k
07:27 < Hunterkll> i'm reading the manual
07:28 < Hunterkll> lol
07:28 < genr8_> still. can you see how much shit is in this firmware that we dont normally have access to
07:28 <+A-KO> once I'm done with this external HDD I can take the damn thing back to Microcenter to return it :D
07:28 <+A-KO> woot
07:28 < Hunterkll> lol
07:28 <+A-KO> but I'm not done yet
07:28 < genr8_> "Save Servo Parameters, Bias Table, Ka Table, Head Linearization Gain"
07:28 <+A-KO> requires me to move all the data off first
07:29 < Hunterkll> genr8_, this is generally available in all drives if you find the rihgt tap points
07:29 <+A-KO> all of my data sitting on a single drive while I crush and rebuild my storage space
07:29 < Hunterkll> it's all factory certificatoin test stuff
07:29 <+A-KO> Hunterkll: Enterprise does support ReFS right? O.o
07:29 < Hunterkll> yers
07:29 <+A-KO> kk
07:29 < Hunterkll> A-KO, enterprise has everything workstation has
07:29 < Hunterkll> wouldn't make sense not to
07:29 <+A-KO> so apparently the "Workstation" edition is available for $125 on the store
07:29 <+A-KO> lol
07:29 < Hunterkll> since workstation is still cheaper
07:29 <+A-KO> so I did finally find it
07:29 < Hunterkll> then getting L+SA
07:29 < Hunterkll> lol what
07:30 <+A-KO> yep
07:30 < Hunterkll> a star craft patch?
07:30 < Hunterkll> 3rd time this century
07:30 <+A-KO> oh, yeah
07:30 <+A-KO> lemme know when you install the PTR Overwatch
07:30 <+A-KO> you know
07:30 < genr8_> 0000ECEF   0  002D  05  Timing Mark Not Detected Velocity
07:31 <+A-KO> using a usb drive in a storage pool provides so much flexibility and recovery lol
07:31 < Ayeitzabee> genr8_, It means ya fucked
07:31 < genr8_> yea the heads on that one are degraded
07:32 < enix> waht the fuck is sernet -.-
07:32 < Hunterkll> genr8_, packetwriter mode commands indicate stuff like READ CHANNEL / READ CHANNEL GRAY CODE / SEEK CYL/HEAD / SPIN-UP MOTOR / SPIN-UP with bias direciton control / SET WRITE CURRENT / AC UNLACH FOR FORCE HAD / SPIN-DOWN / MESSAGE DISPLAY / PUSH-OUT ACTUATOR (DAC COMMAND) / REPORT LOGICAL SPIN STATE / INCRIMENT HEAD +1 / ADDED TRACK OFFSET / SPIN SPEED ADJUST / PUSH-INWARD ACTUATOR / SELECT HEAD DIRECTLY / SET SPIN
07:32 < Hunterkll> GAIN / LOCK SPIN EXTERNAL / READ SERIAL NUMBER / WRITE SERVO DACS / RAMP DACS / C24 RESULTS / PES SYHC / etc
07:32 < Hunterkll> basically
07:32 < genr8_> some weird stats https://puu.sh/AQ3CV/a20e9313b0.png
07:32 < Ayeitzabee> enix, No clue :D
07:32 < Hunterkll> calibration data for read/write sensitivity
07:32 < Hunterkll> and pack-specific stuff like serial number, etc
07:32 < Hunterkll> in this case packwriter is pack as in the disk drive
07:32 < genr8_> well thats as close as i got. you're right.
07:32 < Hunterkll> not the 'disc pack' inside the drive
07:32 < enix> restart AD why not.
07:33 < Hunterkll> basically it's the 'program the drive how to work and identify itself' functions
07:33 < Hunterkll> A-KO, installin lol
07:33 < Hunterkll> genr8_, well, i've been battling the myth of the low level format since forever and a day, and the myth of turning off defrag on windows to extend ssd life since 2012 :p
07:33 < genr8_> this is a funny name for "Drive Error Retry P...something" >   Selected DERP Retry State Disabled
07:34 < Hunterkll> genr8_, oh, and the pack writer commands have to be a special factory compiled firmware - it's not a shipping firmware
07:34 < Hunterkll> the drive won't fully work as a normal AT drive in pack writer firmware
07:34 < Ayeitzabee> Any of yall use autoit?
07:34 < Hunterkll> Pack writer commands are not available in normal firmware release. The firmware must be specially generated. All
07:34 < Hunterkll> the AT interface commands will not be available in Pack Writer code too
07:34 < genr8_> i was hoping you wouldnt bring that up
07:34 < Hunterkll> well i've already brought up that it's just head calibration stuff :p
07:34 < Hunterkll> and setting drive params too
07:34 < Hunterkll> min/max cylinder limits
07:34 < Hunterkll> etc
07:35 < Hunterkll> OHHHH
07:35 < Hunterkll> if i could get that firmware i could make a real fucked up drive
07:35 < Hunterkll> genr8_, those commands are how WD made their Pi edition drive 314GB or whatever instead of 320 - artifical limiting.
07:35 < genr8_> i dont even remember that
07:35 < Hunterkll> same platters, could probably work just the same if you could clone config data
07:36 < Hunterkll> oh they sell normal size ones now
07:36 < Hunterkll> lol
07:36 < Hunterkll> genr8_, https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/meet-314gb-pidrive/ it's a 320GB body/housing/platter system with a different controller and artifically capped to 314GB
07:37 < enix> y tho
07:37 < Hunterkll> enix, best answer is they had a bad run of platters and made the tracking data closer in and sold 'em to idiots
07:37 < Hunterkll> or they just had a huge surplus of 320GB laptop drives
07:37 < Hunterkll> cuz thats tiny now a days
07:37 < genr8_> huh. really missed this one
07:38 < Ayeitzabee> It is so stupid but?
07:38 < Hunterkll> it's a USB drive too i think
07:38 < Hunterkll> Ayeitzabee, it was stupid cheap too
07:38 < Ayeitzabee> It pretty much is a USB drive
07:39 < Ayeitzabee> Where is a good place to buy a PI in aus actually?
07:39 < Ayeitzabee> I am building a temp/humidity monitor for the server room
07:39 < Hunterkll> i just bought one on amazon
07:39 < Hunterkll> hate it that i needed it but the project is designed for it
07:40 < enix> Ayeitzabee: if you find a good place lmk
07:40 < Hunterkll> pis suck
07:40 < enix> I can never find a place that sells everything i want
07:40 < Hunterkll> but meh
07:40 < Ayeitzabee> enix, A good place for the PI?
07:40 < enix> Hunterkll: they're good fun
07:40 < enix> yeah
07:40 < Hunterkll> enix, so are any of their superiourly designed competitors
07:40 < Hunterkll> once i get this PiDP-8 done i'll probably reimplement with a beaglebone
07:41 < Hunterkll> i'll need the IO anyway to get a paper tape or punch card reader working with it
07:43 < Ayeitzabee> I want to buy a shitload of these for an IoT project but there is a limit on 1 per order ;_;
07:43 < Ayeitzabee> https://core-electronics.com.au/raspberry-pi-zero-w-wireless.html
07:43 < enix> wow they still have an order limit? Booooo
07:43 < Ayeitzabee> Yeah, they really need to up production
07:43 < Ayeitzabee> Maybe they aren't making a big enough profit margin on them
07:44 < Hunterkll> no order limits on amazon here
07:44 < Hunterkll> :P
07:44 < Ayeitzabee> Linkssss
07:44 < Hunterkll> US amazon
07:44 < Hunterkll> lol
07:44 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Zero-Official-Case-Argon40/dp/B075PS3XNP/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1530596662&sr=8-8&keywords=raspberry+pi+zero
07:44 < Ayeitzabee> Lame
07:44 < Hunterkll> bit more expensive
07:45 < Hunterkll> but case and ribbony thing
07:45 < Ayeitzabee> That isn't the Wifi model either
07:45 < Hunterkll> https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Zero-Argon-Forty-Case/dp/B075FPYVTD/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1530596705&sr=8-12&keywords=raspberry+pi+zero
07:45 < Hunterkll> lol wrong one
07:45 < Hunterkll> whatever
07:45 < Hunterkll> same deal
07:45 < Hunterkll> same company
07:45 < Hunterkll> no limit
07:45 < Hunterkll> https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400?gclid=CjwKCAjwmufZBRBJEiwAPJ3Lpq-JMnAtLaOTo_387SRcKEKHOkwlyqry118rN94s7ICmefPRpwv1pxoCyY8QAvD_BwE
07:45 < Hunterkll> no order limit there for the bare unit
07:47 < enix> hm
07:47  * enix checks if he got paid
07:47  * Ayeitzabee keks
07:47 < Hunterkll> A-KO, lol k
07:47 < Ayeitzabee> https://imgur.com/a/3cJAKW1
07:47 < Hunterkll> Ayeitzabee, lel
07:48 <+A-KO> Hunterkll ready? :D
07:48 < Hunterkll> A-KO, already loaded up
07:48 < Ayeitzabee> I mean I could, but I shouldn't
07:48 < enix> Trying to think of a neopixel ring that doesn't involve a sex toy or something of that nature
07:48 < ceofreak> Good morning my IT friends
07:49 < jay-ros> Howdy CEOFreak
07:49 < Ayeitzabee> G'day mate
07:49 < enix> I aint for friend buddy
07:49 < Hunterkll> suck a dick 'mate
07:49 < enix> Hunterkll: I fuckin' loled at how aussie that was
07:49 < Ayeitzabee> Aye now cunt listen here mate
07:49 < genr8_> this is basically the information that I used to do the Firmware stuff: https://pastebin.com/0SQSpDEi
07:49 < ceofreak> Where did I get into
07:49 < jay-ros> PFY added a share rule on a user folder, and stripped out user access to the rest of the regional office
07:50 < jay-ros> everyone lost their file access all at once
07:50 < jay-ros> oops
07:50 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, PFY?
07:50 < enix> jay-ros: if it makes you feel better; i just restarted our "AD" because I wanted to see what it'd do
07:50 < enix> Phones pretty quiet so I guess nothing.
07:50 < jay-ros>  Pimply Faced youth
07:50 < enix> Ayeitzabee: l2bofh
07:50 < Ayeitzabee> Oh
07:50 < jay-ros> hahahah enix 10 points for griffindor
07:50 < Ayeitzabee> Noice
07:50 < jay-ros> enix - when you say AD server...
07:51 < enix> jay-ros: it's like... openldap and samba but packaged by a third company
07:51 < jay-ros> Do you mean all 4 of your domain controllers?
07:51 < jay-ros> Oh linux
07:51 < jay-ros> gotcha
07:51 < enix> ariana grande getting married
07:51 < enix> sorry guys... it's over.
07:52 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Who is arianna sunde?
07:52 < traaak> haha- the dude she is marrying is actually pretty dope. i like em
07:53 < enix> pete davidson?
07:53 < Ayeitzabee> Is it Eminem?
07:53 < jay-ros> Is it Diego Luna?
07:53 < enix> I know a Pete Davidson... he tried to fondle my ex-managers junk while high on coke at the urinal.
07:53 < Ayeitzabee> The rock?
07:53 < Ayeitzabee> Oh that Pete
07:54 < Ayeitzabee> enix, That sounds unfortunately like my weekend
07:55 < jay-ros> Ayeitzabee - except replace 'coke' with 'bath salts' and 'urinal' to 'caltex public toilet'
07:56 < enix> OMG I finally found a use for a raspberry pi
07:56 < enix> I'll hook it up to a magnetic switch
07:56 < jay-ros> and 'tried' to 'repeatedly'
07:56 < enix> so whenever someone opens my front door
07:56 < enix> it plays the intel jingle.
07:56 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, Nah it was more like 'ketamine' and 'puma public toilets'
07:58 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Or, hear me out, Africa by Toto :DDDDD
07:59 < enix> Ayeitzabee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VIITf_iLoE
07:59 < enix> idk...
07:59 < enix> Or maybe the MGS alert sound?
08:01 < enix> anyone here good with regex
08:01 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Depends on what you need
08:02 < enix> I have to=<asd@asd> and from<asd@asd>
08:03 < enix> from=***
08:03 < enix> I want to grep from=<asd@asd>
08:03 < enix> well... it's say I want to grep to=<.*>, it'll match to the end of from
08:04 < enix> to=<.[a-z0-9.-@ ]*>
08:04 < enix> that works but i want something more elegant
08:04 < plop> morning admins
08:04 < Ayeitzabee> Morning son
08:05 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Ahhhhh.... https://regexr.com/ ?? :D
08:07 < jay-ros> we also would've accepted -YMCA change rooms -waiting line at oportos -aged care lunch hall -Mustangs in Perth
08:07 < jay-ros> sorry Ayeitzabee, I was late to respond because I was... working :(
08:08 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, Aww yeah *winks* I am working as well
08:08 < jay-ros> I jumped over to a pc to fix one issue, and while it was fixing that, I sorted out about 5 other configurations
08:08 < Ayeitzabee> RN I am looking for the dimensions of my car so I can found out how much of this shit I need to stick under it :DDDD https://www.adafruit.com/product/2832?length=5
08:09 < jay-ros> Jesus Ayeitzabee, I've just changed my image of you
08:09 < nohusuro> Ayeitzabee: it's legal to have undermount lighting where you're from?
08:09 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, I am like 20 leave me alone. And its only illegal if you get caught with them on :DDDD
08:10 < jay-ros> Ayeitzabee, do you wear a headband as a style?
08:10 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, No but I brought a VAPE on the weekend
08:10 < jay-ros> I have an ecig
08:10 < enix> Ayeitzabee: what a cunt
08:10 < jay-ros> but I've used one for 7 years
08:10 < enix> who did you buy from
08:11 < jay-ros> enix has one too
08:11 < enix> enix has a whole shop of them.
08:11 < Ayeitzabee> Vapoureyes XD
08:11 < enix> ...
08:11 < jay-ros> yeah, I've got some broken ones :
08:11 < enix> Ayeitzabee: you're dead to me
08:11 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Where do you work?
08:12 < Ayeitzabee> Or like where should I have brought it from? XD
08:12 < jay-ros> hahaha man that's funny, I didn't know about the AU on
08:12 < jay-ros> i get my shit from fasttech.com, chinese company
08:13 < jay-ros> liquid from mtbakervapes
08:13 < enix> ME
08:13 < enix> WORK?
08:13 < enix> I run a shop cunt.
08:13 < enix> all good though what did you get?
08:14 < Ayeitzabee> enix, RevengerX
08:15 < Ayeitzabee> enix, https://vapoureyes.com.au/products/vaporesso-revenger-x-kit-w-nrg-tank-5ml-220w?variant=2171381940239
08:15 < enix> Not a bad kit
08:15 < enix> LIke I said the other day our hardware selection is limited as of late due to a refocus of the business
08:15 < enix> So at least you got a good bit of kit
08:16 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I am keen to get it, my mate has one so I have used them before
08:17 < Ayeitzabee> literally spent last weekend vaping and drinking XD
08:18 < genr8_> I wonder how they data recover helium drives
08:18 < genr8_> refill with helium?
08:18 < enix> nic or nah Ayeitzabee
08:19 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Nic?
08:19 < Ayeitzabee> Oh lol
08:19 < Ayeitzabee> Nah
08:19 < enix> nicotine
08:19 < Ayeitzabee> One of my mates have never smoked so we got out all the fruity stuff for him to try aha
08:22 < enix> sounds like fun :)
08:22 < enix> More fun than administering email sometimes
08:22 < enix> Except for the domains you see...
08:23 < jay-ros> enix - you run a shop??
08:23 < Ayeitzabee> enix, What kinda shop?
08:24 < enix> day job im a sysadmin, night job i run a vape shop
08:24 < ceofreak> If you install Windows 10 and Linux in Dual boot, what's best to install first? win or linux?
08:24 < enix> we supply tobacconists predominantly
08:24 < ceofreak> I remember I had some trouble with grub and windows bootloader back in the day
08:24 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Sydney?
08:24 < enix> ceofreak: doesnt matter anymore
08:24 < enix> Ayeitzabee: I'm in sunshine coast now
08:24 < ceofreak> No?
08:24 < ceofreak> And how, legacy or Uefi?
08:24 < enix> ceofreak: I would probably install UEFI win 10 first, then UEFI Linux
08:24 < Ayeitzabee> Uefi
08:25 < ceofreak> aight
08:25 < ceofreak> thanks buddy
08:25 < enix> ACtually I take that back; install windows first because i think it does weird things with partitioning
08:25 < Ayeitzabee> Linux is kinder on already existing operation systems
08:25 < enix> Then with Linux you can let it do multi-partition install with the free space
08:26 < humpaxx> Goodmorning
08:26 < plop> sup humpaxx
08:26 < ceofreak> thats what I thought
08:27 < plop> hey ceofreak
08:27 < ceofreak> sup plop, sup humpaxx
08:27 < ceofreak> Partitioning, thats a good question
08:27 < Ayeitzabee> Feck, I need 10 meters worth of RGB stripping to do under my car
08:27 < Ayeitzabee> Striping *
08:28 < ceofreak> Can you choose how much space linux will take from the hdd if windows is already installed on it?
08:28 < enix> yeah
08:28 < enix> ay GL man
08:28 < enix> Ayeitzabee: *
08:29 < humpaxx> Ayeitzabee: is that street legal?
08:29 < Ayeitzabee> humpaxx, Ah no :D
08:30 < Ayeitzabee> But neither is my car so
08:30 < nohusuro> lol, way to draw attention to your already illegal situation
08:31 < enix> Man cant wait to get my car back
08:31 < enix> Loved lining up exotics and pissing them right the fuck off
08:31 < Ayeitzabee> enix, What car do you have?
08:31 < enix> wrx
08:31 < enix> 2000 model
08:31 < enix> 300awkw...
08:32 < Ayeitzabee> Awww, my car isn't making that kinda power :(
08:32 < enix> I dont recommend it
08:32 < Ayeitzabee> I am only getting 240 .-.
08:32 < enix> I overtook someone and accidentally did 60 over.
08:32 < enix> what are you running
08:32 < genr8_> having a slow daily is better - less tickets
08:32 < enix> yuhp
08:33 < enix> 125cc motorcycle fo rme
08:33 < enix> Hilariously, I think I've been fined more on my 125cc than my 600
08:33 < Ayeitzabee> 2010 XR6 with stage 1 cams, full 3'inch exhaust and a cold air intake
08:33 < enix> Too many dank willies.
08:34 < enix> Oh nice! Bet the family loves sailing around in that!
08:34 < enix> Really need that CAI to catch the wind and get extra power ay
08:34 < Ayeitzabee> Nah but my mates do :D
08:34 < enix> But why do you have a full exhaust?
08:34 < enix> and what it's full of?
08:35  * enix <----- cunt
08:35 < jay-ros> Ayeitzabee, proper aussie
08:35 < enix> Ayeitzabee: turbo or nah?
08:35 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I was about to explain what I meant as well :D
08:35 < Ayeitzabee> enix, Nah I am on my P's .-. so no turbo for another 6 months
08:35 < enix> ouch
08:35 < enix> I remember that. Go buy an mx5
08:35 < enix> OHHH NOOO
08:36 < enix> You cunts can have fucking S14s and 180s and shit
08:36 < enix> You fucks
08:36 < Ayeitzabee> The power/weight is already too much but oh well :D
08:36 < Ayeitzabee> My mate has an 180s ;_;
08:36 < Ayeitzabee> Is bae
08:36 < enix> I'm pissed
08:36 < matty_r> Anybody know if a HP A5820X 10GB DAC (X240 SFP) will plug into a Dell R640 with a Dell Intel X540 NIC?
08:36 < enix> I wasnt allowed anything on my P's
08:36 < matty_r> Or know how I could find out?
08:36 < enix> ...call dell?
08:37 < matty_r> Sorry, it has the QLogic 57800
08:37 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I swear the P/W limit of what you can drive has come down recently
08:37 < enix> So you're asking if your R640 will plug into a switch?
08:38 < matty_r> yes
08:38 < enix> And you're asking if you can plug ethernet into sfp
08:38 < matty_r> 10GB DAC
08:38 < matty_r> X240
08:38 < enix> Ayeitzabee: They keep changing it. The WRX was legal then not legal then legal again and now noone knows what's going on
08:38 < enix> man the edge is playing so much drake today
08:38 < Ayeitzabee> enix, I bet it is illegal in QLD like everything else is.
08:38 < enix> three songs in one hour earlier
08:38 < enix> Ayeitzabee: no idea i just moved here and have complete open license; bike and car
08:38 < Ayeitzabee> I got booked cause the cops thought my car was stanced
08:39 < enix> lmao
08:39 < enix> I got pulled over so a cop could complement me "on my mags"
08:39 < Ayeitzabee> I am like "no cunt, the wheels look like that when you turn them"
08:39 < enix> which were pumped out as a mother fucker and cambered hard
08:39 < enix> OHHHHHHHHH
08:39 < enix> WOw what an idiot
08:39 < enix> That's classic starboard steering
08:39 < enix> But legit; R33 Skyline does that as well
08:40 < jay-ros> you guys are nuts
08:40 < Ayeitzabee> Drift pig setup :D
08:40 < enix> Actually all skylines i think
08:40 < Ayeitzabee> enix, My mate has a R33, he can't drive it yet but
08:40 < enix> NAh you want a pig, drift an AE86
08:40 < Ayeitzabee> He took it up the road and when it boosted he nearly spun it out XD
08:40 < enix> You'd have to get up to like 120-130 and just send it
08:40 < enix> oh got it's not a GTST running RB25 with dual turbo is it
08:41 < enix> or rb26 running twin?
08:41 < enix> Silver series 1?
08:41 < Ayeitzabee> No its not, its just got a bigger turbo then stock, and a built diff + drift setup
08:41 < enix> Ahk
08:41 < enix> Legit, they're the worst to drive like that i reckon
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> His wheels almost turn fully sideways.
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> Yeah it shudders like a mofo around corners
08:42 < enix> yeah extended knucks
08:42 < enix> welded diff or really tight ratio
08:42 < enix> either or
08:42 < enix> yeah
08:42 < enix> I know the setup... good on him; he'll have shit tonnes of fun in that >:)
08:42 < enix> Just avoid nasho dude that shits hot as fuck
08:42 < enix> Okay I'm officially out of ieas and have to go home
08:42 < Ayeitzabee> He will have fun till he ends up hugging a tree
08:43 < enix> I have no idea where this spam came from but it's return to sender and i can't find it in mquue
08:43 < enix> mqueue
08:43 < enix> yeah it wouldn't surprise me
08:44 < enix> But I mean I took a home-built AE86 up to 220-240 (speedo ran out at 200 so idk speed), and drifted it at like 100kmh at nasho and nothing bad ever happened
08:44 < enix> The only time I got myself into shit was when my brakes cooked it and I couldn't slow down for a corner.
08:44 < enix> That's how i learned to drift
08:44 < enix> So he might be fine
08:45 < enix> alright shits calmed down
08:45 < enix> I need to learn so much more about our mail setup
08:45 < enix> night all
08:50 < jay-ros> hahaha nasho
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> jay-ros, Nasho?
08:54 < jay-ros> yeah enix said he hit 100km in the nasho
08:54 < Ayeitzabee> Da fuq is a Nasho?
08:54 < jay-ros> not often in an IT-related chat you hear the phrase
08:54 < jay-ros> national park
08:55 < Ayeitzabee> Oh ok ahaha
09:15 < rootsudo> Anyone on?
09:18 < ceofreak> jo
09:19 < niklasye> jo
09:23 < Tzunamii> Morning
09:24 <@Nostalg14c> Afternoon.
09:26 < ceofreak> sup Nostalg14c
09:31 < xe0n> lolll nasho
09:32 < rootsudo> Nostalg14c you're gay
09:42 <@Nostalg14c> dont think so.
09:42 <@Nostalg14c> Anythings possible though.
10:09 < humpaxx> Ugh
10:09 < humpaxx> Feels like its monday
10:24 < ceofreak> Fucking right Humpaxx
10:46 < ceofreak> Nost4lg1c?
10:46 < ceofreak> lol
10:46 < ceofreak> Nostalg14c?
10:48 <@Nostalg14c> ay
10:48 <@Nostalg14c> whats up ceofreak
10:49 < ceofreak> Remember last week or so I said I want to reduce office time?
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> Pretty sure we all do, but yeah.
10:49 < ceofreak> I did
10:49 < ceofreak> :D
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> Nice!@
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> What to? 4 days?
10:49 < ceofreak> They agreed
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> Boner.
10:49 < ceofreak> no, from 8 to 6 hours per day
10:49 < ceofreak> I leave every day at 1pm nw
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> Oh shiet
10:49 < ceofreak> :D
10:49 <@Nostalg14c> Thats killer.
10:49 < ceofreak> yea man
10:49 < ceofreak> game changer
10:50 < ceofreak> i happily trade that money for the free time
11:34 < rocketeer> Hey I have generally no idea what I'm doing (also sorry if this is the wrong place) and don't want to screw up horribly - I've been asked to set up an owncloud server with ~12 TB of storage available
11:34 < rocketeer> What hardware should I be buying for this? I'd prefer to just use AWS or something, but the internet on-site is bad enough that that's not really an option
11:56 < humpaxx> rocketeer: Depends on your budget, Synology NASes has the owncloud package in their application library
12:31 < YetiFiasco> Anyone having GPO problems after latest update for 2012 R2?
12:32 < YetiFiasco> We have a GPO that's not even showing up in Denied, it's just being completely ignored by all machines in the domain
12:32 < monoxane> rocketeer99 at that size just get an r530 or r540 and put 8tb drives in it
12:33 < monoxane> youll go over that minimum really easily in one chassis
12:34 < varesa> also account for backups and such
12:34 < varesa> RAID + a FS that supports snapshot replication is usually a good setup
12:35 < rocketeer99> I was definitely planning on some kind of RAID
12:36 < rocketeer99> I was thinking BTRFS but I don't know how to set up / have never set up snapshot replication
12:38 < rocketeer99> The R540 with 4 4TB drives looks like a good option to me
12:40 < monoxane> rocketeer99 id say go over the scope set by 2tb or so, just because you always need more storage than you have, even if it was just built :P
12:40 < monoxane> then again i work at a media company and am designing a 100tb system >_>
12:41 < monoxane> youll get 8 drives in an r540 i think
12:42 < monoxane> thats 32tb raw if you use all bays with 4tb disks or around 26tb with raid6
12:42 < rocketeer99> Right right, and I was thinking 4 drives so 16 TB raw to start
12:42 < rocketeer99> Does RAID 5 let me easily expand that?
12:43 < rocketeer99> Once it's set up, that is
12:43 < monoxane> use 2 for a system/caching SSDs and 6 for 4tb youd be looking at 16tb raid6 capacity
12:43 < monoxane> use raid 6
12:43 < monoxane> raid 5 is dead unless you NEED to use it
12:43 < rocketeer99> Good to know, ty ty
12:43 < monoxane> raid 5 is really brutal on rebuilds and can cause a second failure right after the first
12:43 < monoxane> and 2 drives dead in raid5 is unrecoverable
12:44 < rocketeer99> Raid 6 it is then
12:46 < monoxane> id go with 6 4tb disks in raid6 and 2 mirrored ssds or 15krpm sas disks for system and caching (dont know what filesystem you intend on using, if you use one that doesnt use caching dont bother with anything fast and just get 2 250gb disks for system
12:46 < monoxane> )
12:46 < varesa> > use 2 for a system/caching SSDs and 6 for 4tb youd be looking at 16tb raid6 capacity
12:46 < varesa> +1
12:47 < monoxane> it must be great having an reasonably unlimited budget to set up 12tb...
12:47 < monoxane> ive got to get 100tb for under $10k
12:48 < rocketeer99> Reasonably unlimited because I'm interning for a 3rd world country that currently has no fileservers
12:48 < rocketeer99> sneakernet all the way
12:49 < YetiFiasco> So it turns out my GPO issue is different
12:49 < YetiFiasco> No user GPO's across the entire domain are applying
12:49 < YetiFiasco> Anyon ever experienced this
12:50 < monoxane> oh interesting
12:50 < monoxane> my work is currently sneakernet with 8tb drives cos the NAS is too small and slow
12:52 < rocketeer99> Depending on the size of the file, sneakernet makes sense. But when I wanted a 800kb excel file and it took several hours for the director to get off break, boot up his laptop, and sneakernet it across a building, that's a problem
12:53 < rocketeer99> I'm pretty sure a single terabyte NAS with no owncloud functionality would be a major improvement
12:54 < varesa> all my USB drives at hand are so slow that it is literally faster to move a file over the internet to a NAS on the other site than it is to write it to a 64GB USB stick and read it off it again
12:55 < varesa> like that one ISO image I wanted to transfer, waited until it was 50% done on the USB, then just ended up SCP:ing it over the internet in a couple of minutes, way before the USB transfer could finish
12:56 < varesa> of course that could be solved by buying USB drives that are not shit :-)
12:57 < rocketeer99> Oh damnit - I just realized this country uses a nonstandard voltage
12:57 < rocketeer99> I'm going to have to buy a new PSU
12:58 < rocketeer99> varesa: It took me over an hour to SCP an 8 MB file from a personal server back in the states today
13:03 < MillerBOSS> https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/computer-and-information-systems-managers.htm#tab-1
13:04 < MillerBOSS> 2017 Median Pay $139,220 per year
13:04 < MillerBOSS> $66.93 per hour
13:04 < MillerBOSS> Looks like I need to ask for a raise
13:06 < MillerBOSS> monoxane: If I got Fortigates, is it worth getting Fortiswitches and FortiAPs?
13:06 < estranger> rocketeer99: what country?
13:07 < monoxane> ive never used either MillerBOSS
13:07 < monoxane> theoretically they are good
13:07 < monoxane> central management from fortigates
13:07 < MillerBOSS> https://www.fortinet.com/content/dam/fortinet/assets/data-sheets/FortiSwitch_Secure_Access_Series.pdf
13:07 < MillerBOSS> https://www.fortinet.com/content/dam/fortinet/assets/data-sheets/Fortinet_Wireless_Product_Matrix.pdf
13:07 < MillerBOSS> Yeah that is what I was thinking
13:07 < monoxane> yea ik ive looked at them
13:07 < monoxane> i just like extreme more :P
13:07 < MillerBOSS> I'll just do the whole 9 yards
13:07 < rocketeer99> estranger: Tuvalu, a small pacific island chain
13:07 < MillerBOSS> Extreme what?
13:08 < estranger> rocketeer99: yup, cool. Explains the shit uplink
13:08 < rocketeer99> Internet only on the main island, and it's one 1.6 Mbps down shared between everyone in the country
13:08 < estranger> Lol
13:09 < rocketeer99> it's horrifying and I wish I wasn't here?
13:09 < monoxane> extreme networks
13:09 < estranger> It's a gorgeous island, could be worse
13:09 < monoxane> ^
13:09 < monoxane> ive always wanted to visit tuvalu
13:09 < monoxane> but money n stuff
13:10 < estranger> Musk will get you better internet soon :)
13:10 < rocketeer99> It's super pretty, yes
13:10 < rocketeer99> All hail starlink?
13:10 < estranger> When you get 10mbps with 50ms latency you'll be hauling it
13:10 < estranger> Hailing
13:11 < rocketeer99> Oh my current ping is over 2000ms
13:11 < monoxane> tbh id be inclined to fund my own fiber if i lived or worked there
13:11 < estranger> monoxane: there is no uplink of the island
13:11 < monoxane> i know
13:12 < rocketeer99> I looked into it - you'd have to run it about 500 miles across the pacific
13:12 < monoxane> yea i know
13:12 < rocketeer99> The asian development bank is funding a feasibility study for it and they're coming up with 11 figure prices
13:12 < monoxane> i wonder how well a chain of UBN airfibers would go with solar on the shitty little atolls
13:13 < estranger> I know some of those words
13:13 < rocketeer99> Given that there's nothing with any elevation at all, probably not well at all
13:13 < rocketeer99> Like the highest point in this entire country is ~15 feet above sea level
13:13 < monoxane> theres a reason aluminium telecom towers exist
13:14 < estranger> 11 figures could build another island closer to shore :)
13:14 < estranger> Well USD
13:14 < rocketeer99> Putting one of those on every atoll in the region would be absurdly expensive I suspect
13:14 < monoxane> has anyone considered packet radio bounced of the statosphere?
13:15 < monoxane> i know someone got a 10mbit link between aus and nz doing that
13:15 < rocketeer99> That's a good approach if you don't need reliability I thought
13:16 < rocketeer99> Aren't there entire days where that doesn't work at all? Clouds, etc?
13:17 < monoxane> nah decimeter radio doesnt care about clouds
13:17 < estranger> Tectonic shifts misaligning your beams!
13:19 < monoxane> if you got a 15km tower at each point you could airfiber to fiji then to new caladonia then brisbane :P
13:20 < estranger> I need to good this air fiber you keep saying
13:20 < rocketeer99> Would that make Tuvalu the only nation on the planet that was taller than it was wide or long?
13:20 < monoxane> lol i broke UBNTs mapping tool by putting a tower on some unnamed atoll
13:20 < estranger> Google
13:20 < monoxane> estranger Ubiquity airfiber radio links
13:21 < estranger> airFiber® delivers robust FDD performance in full-duplex mode with 0.2 millisecond latency.
13:21 < estranger> Is that .2 + physics?
13:22 < monoxane> yea pretty much
13:22 < estranger> Ie, there is a latency cost of the speed of light. .2 overhead is awesome though
13:23 < rocketeer99> Is this where I go knock on the minister of communications' door tomorrow with a crazy scheme?
13:23 < monoxane> https://link.ubnt.com/#ap.device.antennaGain=25&ap.device.channelWidth=20&ap.device.eirp=50&ap.device.frequency=5600&ap.device.name=PowerBeam%205AC%20Gen2&ap.height=174&ap.location.lat=-16.571697541639487&ap.location.lng=179.33104079329098&coverageCpeHeight=101&coverageRadius=100000&cpeList.0.device.antennaGain=23&cpeList.0.device.eirp=47&cpeList.0
13:23 < monoxane> .height=164&cpeList.0.location.lat=-8.505108556256507&cpeList.0.location.lng=179.12791785182185&cpeList.1.device.antennaGain=23&cpeList.1.device.eirp=47&cpeList.1.height=170&cpeList.1.location.lat=-21.88804726563308&cpeList.1.location.lng=166.2827127843193&cpeList.2.device.antennaGain=23&cpeList.2.device.eirp=47&cpeList.2.height=176&cpeList.2.locat
13:23 < monoxane> ion.lat=-27.312447388373524&cpeList.2.location.lng=152.56400878089505&mapTypeId=terrain&version=1.0.2
13:23 < monoxane> amazing
13:23 < jumi> fucking SAP
13:23 < jumi> that is all
13:24 < estranger> Amen
13:24 < monoxane> this ones nearly feasable https://link.ubnt.com/#ap.device.antennaGain=23&ap.device.channelWidth=100&ap.device.eirp=64&ap.device.frequency=5000&ap.device.name=airFiber%205XHD&ap.height=176&ap.location.lat=-8.468708898928426&ap.location.lng=179.08613091829034&coverageCpeHeight=12&coverageRadius=20000&cpeList.0.device.antennaGain=23&cpeList.0.device.
13:24 < monoxane> eirp=47&cpeList.0.height=173&cpeList.0.location.lat=-7.477868733833362&cpeList.0.location.lng=178.67716253835562&mapTypeId=terrain&version=1.0.2
13:24 < estranger> Dude
13:24 < monoxane> 200m towers arent unheard of, i can see 3 from my house
13:25 < monoxane> oh you cant go further than tonga
13:25 < monoxane> dammit why isnt the earth flat
13:26 < rocketeer99> I wonder if tonga has fiber already?
13:26 < rocketeer99> You'd only have to make it to the nearest island that already has fiber
13:26 < monoxane> ^
13:26 < monoxane> which is like
13:26 < monoxane> none of them
13:26 < rocketeer99> good point
13:28 < rocketeer99> "Today, the landing of the submarine fiber optic cable in Tonga will enhance communication capability and ICT development in the Kingdom."
13:28 < rocketeer99> http://www.tcc.to/index.php/category/internet-products-services/
13:29 < rocketeer99> "TCC’s Kalianet service operates on the latest technology in data communications" I seriously doubt that but if they have a fiber link under construction that's less insane than I thought
13:29 < monoxane> thats legitimately feasable then
13:29 < rocketeer99> What do you think it would cost?
13:29 < monoxane> 200m tower on tonga and tuvalu will get you 800mbps in airfiber
13:30 < monoxane> literally just the cost of the towers
13:30 < monoxane> like $500k
13:31 < rocketeer99> Wait should I actually go ping the minster of communications
13:31 < monoxane> gimme a minute there might be a complication
13:33 < monoxane> nope not happening with airfiber
13:33 < rocketeer99> What's the holdup?
13:34 < monoxane> the earth
13:34 < monoxane> is slightly more curved than it needs to be :P
13:34 < rocketeer99> No shitty unnamed atolls in the way for a relay?
13:35 < monoxane> already using the three i can find
13:35 < rocketeer99> Well then
13:35 < monoxane> legit fiber it is
13:35 < rocketeer99> I suppose I wait for elon musk to save us then?
13:36 < monoxane> 700km to fiji
13:36 < rocketeer99> The ADB has promised to provide technical assistance and funding for real fiber so it's not out of the question
13:36 < monoxane> well go get your company to fund it
13:37 < monoxane> i reckon you could cheat it, ignore all regulations and run it yourself
13:37 < rocketeer99> Given that this place has a GDP of somewhere between US$ 20 million and US$ 40 million?
13:37 < rocketeer99> There isn't enough money on this island to even estimate how much money is on this island, much less to fund 700 km of fiber
13:37 < monoxane> if you can get it under 100km between each shitty atoll you can do a solar powered relay amplifier and just use shitty singlemode fiber
13:38 < rocketeer99> These atolls are not permanent
13:38 < rocketeer99> Water seeps up through the runway on Tuvalu's airport every high tide
13:38 < monoxane> soooooooo, drive a 50m steel pole into the atoll and put the relay on top with the solar
13:38 < estranger> Lol
13:38 < monoxane> this is so stupid
13:39 < estranger> There is no money to do any of this
13:39 < rocketeer99> Not even close to enough money to do any of this
13:39 < monoxane> if i was a billionaire id do it to say i control a countries internet
13:39 < monoxane> but im not
13:39 < rocketeer99> As a billionaire you could control significantly more of this island than its internet
13:40 < monoxane> yea ive had this conversation with other people
13:40 < monoxane> you could theoretically buy out the entire nation for half the gdp
13:40 < estranger> Step 1 to being a billionaire: get off of sys admin probation
13:40 < monoxane> give everyone 500k to fuck off and have yourself an island
13:40 < rocketeer99> You could buy a controlling interest in the parliament for ~$3 MM
13:41 < monoxane> dammit estranger that takes time and i only work one day a week :P
13:41 < estranger> Lol
13:41 < estranger> Time is a bitch
13:41 < monoxane> ikr
13:41 < L3gacy> Good morning and good bacon unto all and unto all some good bacons!
13:42 < monoxane> ive been there 2 months and only worked a week
13:42 < monoxane> oh hey its L3gacy
13:42 < L3gacy> Wazzzzzup?
13:42 < rocketeer99> We're trying to run internet to Tuvalu
13:42 < monoxane> we are considering the fiscal probablility of getting fiber to tuvalu
13:42 < monoxane> you could nearly do it with ubuquity airfiber
13:42 < monoxane> but the earth is too curved
13:43 < estranger> Crazy talk going on here
13:43 < L3gacy> The earth is a flat 6000 year old planet
13:43 < L3gacy> wy mean curved?
13:43 < donut_> discworld then, don't fall off
13:43 < L3gacy> It's turtles all the way down
13:43 < monoxane> hah
13:43 < L3gacy> I worshiping Vishbakharamha, now
13:43 < monoxane> you forgot the elephants holding it on the turtle
13:43 < L3gacy> The G_D of Pizza and Beer
13:43 < asimon> Good morning my friends
13:43 < L3gacy> Was my birthday two days ago :)
13:43 < L3gacy> I'm 44 now
13:44 < rocketeer99> All hail A'Tuin
13:44 < donut_> colour of magic is a splendid film about the place, worth watching.
13:44 < monoxane> L3gacy stop being old :P
13:45 < L3gacy> I considered that the other day, monoxane.  Had a really bad depressive episode
13:45 < monoxane> oh :(
13:46 < L3gacy> I got a Corsair K50 keyboard, tho
13:46 < monoxane> thats neat
13:47 < L3gacy> My old work is being bought out, but the new company says they will not, under ANY circumstances either HIRE, nor give good references for, past employees
13:47 < L3gacy> Is that even legal?
13:47 < donut_> gotta love when things just work. Lost my old macbook pro, but backups did work and i have everything where i left them, cookies, plugins, virtual machines all present.
13:48 < monoxane> its not legal here
13:48 < monoxane> but america is a strange lawless wasteland :P
13:48 < L3gacy> It seems that OLD clients that moved to $NEW_COMPANY have been trash talking us
13:48 < donut_> but for some reason url click in terminal does not work. Oh well. If that's the only problem them i'm more than happy to call this blown up battery episode a success.
13:49 < L3gacy> Including the architecture firm where they said I recommended all sorts of shite gear, but _I_ have the emails saying they DEMANDED that shite gear to save on costs
13:49 < L3gacy> I CYAd :)
13:50 < L3gacy> They even claimed I told them a DELL PE 2950 FIRST GEN was new
13:50 < L3gacy> :P
13:50 < donut_> geez, part of my previous company was bought up by some US based company
13:50 < monoxane> L3gacy prepare 3 envelopes
13:50 < donut_> and thei actually tried to fire everyone on the spot until (to their dismay) our legal said they cant
13:50 < L3gacy> monoxane, I'm already talking to my lawyer
13:51 < donut_> also they really disliked that all negotiations had to be above board and public to all
13:51 < monoxane> id be doing that too
13:51 < donut_> i can only imagine the shit you US based admins go through
13:51 < L3gacy> donut_, we go through a case of Jameson a day, tbh
13:52 < donut_> at times i'm glad i live in a semi-regulated country
13:52 < L3gacy> I cant move out of the US
13:52 < L3gacy> Judge WONT restore my passport
13:52 < donut_> i don't think canada would be much of a problem?
13:53 < donut_> well then that's a problem
13:53 < donut_> apply as refugee? :D
13:53 < L3gacy> I went last week for a hearing.  He said I have to pay off my arrears in child support first, and then, "He'll consider it, if he likes"
13:53 < L3gacy> NJ/USA child support laws SUCKS
13:53 < donut_> that's a shit reason if any
13:53 < donut_> not a felony? how can he prevent a passport?
13:54 < donut_> or withhold
13:54 <+giant_it_burrit> parentng laws here are terrible
13:54 < L3gacy> not a felony
13:54 <+giant_it_burrit> i know stuff is supposed to be for the childs benefit
13:54 <+giant_it_burrit> but the state tries to lessent heir burden
13:54 < L3gacy> In NJ, if you go more than 2500 in arrears, they can take - Your passport, hunting license, fishing permit, gun card, and license to operate a motor vehicle
13:55 < L3gacy> giant_it_burrit, we need to taco.  Ever coming to Jersey?
13:55 < rocketeer99> That's amazing in its insanity
13:55 < L3gacy> Effectively making it so you CANT work, since most places here require a mv license
13:56 < L3gacy> I've had to pay a restoration fee and an additional $100 (200 total) 5 times now, since their "computer system" keeps making "mistakes"
13:56 < donut_> fine computer system they have, probably a paper archive somewhere? like the us gov pension system?
13:57 < L3gacy> I also got told "Oopa.  That shouldn't ahve happened, but we cant clear it till you pay it"
13:58 < L3gacy> ALL 5 times
13:58 < L3gacy> I need a job, again
13:58 < asimon> Welcome to the US, the freest country where we will kick you when you're down
13:59 < monoxane> America, land of the free* (*terms and conditions apply, void where not prohibited to do so by law)
13:59 <+giant_it_burrit> L3gacy: heck no im in nyc i can see your trashdump from here
14:00 < L3gacy> giant_it_burrit, my buddy just got a job in NYC proper as a web dev.  $140k
14:00 <+giant_it_burrit> hope he doesnt live in man. otherwise he still has a closet
14:00 < L3gacy> Queens
14:00 < asimon> Yeah but COL is like $135k so who is the real winner here
14:01 <+giant_it_burrit> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
14:04 < L3gacy> He has a one bedroom apt with FIOS and his landlord is already trying to up his rent since his job went from 75k to 140
14:04 < L3gacy> LOLWUT?
14:04 < asimon> Why would his landlord know what his income is after he's already moved in?
14:05 < L3gacy> He celebrated, noise complaint, landlord came, he was drunk and blabbed
14:05 < L3gacy> so...
14:05 < asimon> Oh well that's his own fault then
14:08 <@cryptic1> morning
14:09 < nickster> o/
14:09 < L3gacy> Get back to work, cryptic1
14:09 <@cryptic1> D:
14:09 < asimon> Good morning friend
14:10  * L3gacy slides cryptic1 a sriracha aeoli BLT
14:10 < onenerdyguy1> mornin
14:10 < m4221> Hello nerds
14:10 < m4221> s/nerds/snarks
14:11 < onenerdyguy1> anyone got a decent recommendation for a replacement for RDCMan?
14:12 < asimon> Lots of remote desktop windows?
14:12 < onenerdyguy1> asimon, sadly yes
14:13 < m4221> $vendor still uses RHEL 5.11 at their cloud provider
14:14 < m4221> plop: hey
14:15 < plop> hey m4221. how is it going?
14:21 < asimon> I love helpful error messages
14:22 < asimon> Just got this from my xerox printer
14:22 < asimon> "Error: undefined"
14:22 < asimon> "Offending Command:"
14:22 < asimon> "Stack:"
14:22 < asimon> gee thanks
14:23 < plop> have you asked nicely asimon
14:23 < onenerdyguy1> it's a printer, it's always a dick
14:23 < tenthshift> I took the greatest poop this morning
14:24 < tenthshift> I didn't know how badly I needed it
14:24 < plop> tenthshift, i love when i take a perfect.
14:24 < tenthshift> walking into work feeling all light and airy
14:24 < tenthshift> a bounce in my step, ready to face the day
14:24 < asimon> I asked it very nicely to tell me what was wrong
14:24 < plop> asimon, well, you clearly made it angrier.
14:24 < asimon> I guess so
14:25 < tenthshift> asimon do you have any snmp monitoring on your printer(s)?
14:26 < asimon> Nope. This printer was set up about a decade before I got here and the attitude has been "dont fix what aint broke" ever since
14:26 < asimon> Does that just monitor the network traffic in and out?
14:27 < tenthshift> snmp is something I've fantasized about fooling with; if the printer supports it, and you have info on how it formats its snmp messages
14:27 < tenthshift> it will tell you all kinds of details about itself
14:27 < tenthshift> often including stuff its built in UI doesn't really explain
14:28 < tenthshift> I have like 50 printers total that I support, and I'd use snmp just to collate info on # of print jobs and estimated toner levels
14:28 < tenthshift> so I can send my minion around doing preventative consumable replacement rather than getting random complaints about toner being out
14:29 < asimon> That sounds really nice...
14:30 < plop> my printer seller does that for me. i just get toners without knowing some printer is low on toner.
14:31 < asimon> See that's too far - I don't want someone to be able to sell me something unless I explicitly approve the purchase
14:31 < plop> asimon, i don't pay for them. i just pay per copy so i don't need to bother with maintenance or consumables
14:32 < CBebop> The guy that runs our QA labs does that for our printers. Its so nice. He can tell me when someone has shut off one of our computers or moved it in the lab, etc.
14:34 < asimon> hm
14:34 < int0x1C8> I let the users know in no uncertain terms that I am not a printer dude
14:35 < int0x1C8> that's why we have a maintenance/support contract
14:35 <@cryptic1> not a but the printer dude
14:35 < monoxane> huh
14:35 < monoxane> support contracts
14:35 < monoxane> what are they :P
14:35 < int0x1C8> a system whereby you make printers someone else's problem
14:35 < Sousapro> Looks like UCS servers are getting Epyc now
14:36 < Sousapro> Excellent, competition is good
14:36 < monoxane> yea we just annoy Brother until they come fix their piece of shit DVD printer
14:36 < monoxane> everything else is usually fine but that thing breaks at least once a month
14:36 < Sousapro> >Brother
14:36 < onenerdyguy1> printers are everyone's problem
14:36 < Sousapro> I hate that damn company
14:36 < monoxane> its a DVD printer, nobody else makes them
14:36 < monoxane> it burns and prints at the same time
14:36 < onenerdyguy> wtf
14:36 < onenerdyguy> who needs that
14:36 < monoxane> can spit out a thousand in an hour
14:36 < onenerdyguy> so can cheap factories in china
14:37 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: places that sell video on a disc
14:37 < monoxane> the media company and recording studio that i work for
14:37 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, exactly, it's 2018, stream that shite
14:37 <@cryptic1> monoxane works for a shady dvd dupe site
14:37 < monoxane> record an album and have it ready for distro before the artist has left
14:37 < int0x1C8> just get a lightscribe drive, those are probably cheap as fuck now
14:37 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: unless you don't want it streamed
14:37 <@cryptic1> get your screener dvds from monoxane cheap
14:37 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, well then it's just dumb
14:37 < Sousapro> int0x1C8: those things burned out super fast
14:38 < tenthshift> I prefer to upload my DVDs to a public Amazon AWS instance
14:38 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: some people are too stupid to figure out what to do with an mkv on a USB thumb drive
14:38 < onenerdyguy> i know, i know :(
14:38 < tenthshift> and then share the key to that
14:38 < monoxane> these are continuous fed inkjets that print, dry, seal and clear coat the dvd in under 20 seconds
14:38 < int0x1C8> monoxane, I have some... uh... creatively obtained content, could I send it to you and have you make me like 5000 copies? :D
14:38 < onenerdyguy> i just keep hoping if we raise the bar, they either will learn, or die off
14:38 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: I'd prefer for them to stop breeding but that's not going to happen
14:38 < monoxane> int0x1C8 nope
14:38 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, i agree.
14:39 < int0x1C8> oh come on I'll give you 10% of the cut
14:39 < monoxane> nah
14:39 < int0x1C8> well fuck
14:39 < monoxane> it would bring the printer closer to its MTBF
14:39 < Sousapro> int0x1C8: felsa pfsense porn?
14:39 < monoxane> which is uh, like every 2000 disks or something >_>
14:39 < int0x1C8> there goes my plan to distribute the Trump pee tape
14:40 < Sousapro> int0x1C8: watch the activity lights blinking with funk music in the background
14:40 < int0x1C8> in the pee tape?
14:40 < onenerdyguy> so get a call last night, in the middle of a big ass thunderstorm
14:41 < onenerdyguy> one of our fire stations are down
14:41 < Sousapro> int0x1C8: no, felda's pfsense slow jams
14:41 < int0x1C8> oh
14:41 < onenerdyguy> this fire station is fed via shitty motorola wireless
14:41 < onenerdyguy> it's a lightning storm
14:41 < onenerdyguy> no shit your down
14:41 < int0x1C8> hurr
14:41 < onenerdyguy> down for a total of 6 minutes.
14:42 < onenerdyguy> just so happens that 2 minutes into this outage, a call went out.
14:42 < int0x1C8> Sousapro, I wonder if someone has made a music player out of spindle HDDs
14:42 < int0x1C8> probably an asian guy somewhere has
14:42 < onenerdyguy> so now I get to go through the fun of getting quotes for 5 miles of fiber + trenching, only to hav eit turned down
14:42 < int0x1C8> spin the drives at different RPMs
14:43 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: in all seriousness, why doesn't dialup work as an emergency backup?
14:43 < onenerdyguy> int0x1C8, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzXjJN1RH0
14:43 < arlion> Good Morning, welcome to Friday part 1
14:43 < int0x1C8> there we go
14:43 < int0x1C8> I bet he's asian
14:43 < int0x1C8> except those are floppy drives
14:43 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, brought that up before. the CIO has a huge hard on for these wireless things though
14:44 < int0x1C8> but I suppose there's too much angular momentum in a HDD to switch RPMs fast enough
14:44 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: right but this is a backup if the other is down
14:44 < Sousapro> onenerdyguy: figure out some way for it to dial out on connection lost and do a PPP connection to your home office
14:45 < Sousapro> Only allow the critical data to flow across it
14:45 < int0x1C8> we use wireless PtMP for our satellite buildings close to the main office
14:45 < int0x1C8> they work great
14:45 < int0x1C8> but yeah they should know it won't work in a storm
14:45 < Sousapro> 5 minutes is the difference between someone dying and not though
14:46 < int0x1C8> right, they should have a physical line backup
14:46 < int0x1C8> no excuse in emergency services
14:46 < Sousapro> 4mbps dsl would work
14:46 < Sousapro> Hell 1mbps would work
14:46 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, now there is a thought. One downfall through is they'd need a device capable of it. Currently the whole network is one giant ass layer 2 with core layer3 routing
14:47 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, since bossman doesn't seem to understand how edge routing works
14:47 < Sousapro> ...
14:47 < monoxane> ...
14:47 < Sousapro> Edgerouting is hard and expensive
14:47  * Sousapro starts hiding his ubnt gear
14:47 < asimon> arlion: You're right
14:48 < asimon> `yt Friday
14:48 < Sousapro> Phew no one will see how to have performant routers for cheap now
14:48 < int0x1C8> we have 2 physically separate locations connected by a Gb fiber circuit that goes PtP
14:48 < int0x1C8> so we have a flat subnet
14:48 < Sousapro> We're loading up MPLS right now
14:48 < arlion> asimon: and when I'm right, I'm right!
14:48 < Sousapro> Three sites no waiting
14:50 < int0x1C8> why can't we just go back to signal lamps and morse code
14:50 < onenerdyguy> Sousapro, we're a 100% extreme shop here, with sonicwalls..I'm *really* pushing to change hte sonicwall bit
14:50 < int0x1C8> pfsense!
14:51 < Sousapro> Fortigate
14:51 < Sousapro> Sophos :P
14:52 < int0x1C8> also I heard one of our office workers, not the brightest, see the word pfsense and pronounced it puff-sensa
14:52 < Sousapro> PFVapes
14:52 < Sousapro> Load more strawberry into the firewall please
14:52 < int0x1C8> immediately my brain went to puff-sensei
14:53 < int0x1C8> teach me p diddy
14:53 < Sousapro> lol
14:54 < Nightcinder> i love reading peoples comments on kickstarter/indiegogo about a product, 'oh my god the company is out of money we're never getting our product' because they posted a referral  update saying 'hey get two people to buy and you get yours free'
14:55 < Sousapro> Maybe they just want to make more money?
14:55 < Sousapro> Sounds like a winner to me
14:55 < JollyRgrs> Sousapro: WHAT?!?!? THAT IS UNPOSSIBLE!
14:56 < asimon> JollyRgrs: Unpossible? http://fantasticcontraption.com/
14:56 < asimon> That was my shit
14:56 < donut_> i've been lucky with my kickstarts, only 2 out of 14 failed
14:56 < Nightcinder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/413314819/ora-the-worlds-first-graphene-headphones/posts/2222156 read the comments lol
14:56 < donut_> but never backed any hardware stuff
14:56 < int0x1C8> I would give $0.01 to kickstarter campaigns if it let me send a message directly to them telling them to get a real job and stop being millennial snowflake fuqqbois
14:56 < Nightcinder> it's just funny
14:56 < donut_> most of them fail
14:57 < Sousapro> S C A M   D E T E C T E D
14:57 < JollyRgrs> asimon: i think i remember that game vaguely
14:57 < Nightcinder> i've never backed a failed KS
14:57 < JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: not all kickstarters are bad
14:57 < JollyRgrs> i've seen some older recording artists use it to do an off-the-label album and turned out great
14:57 < Nightcinder> plenty of KS's are good
14:57 < asimon> That game was how I got my start in IRC lol
14:58 < Nightcinder> it's crowdfunding a product without VC's
14:58 < JollyRgrs> but i agree, there are many ppl who just don't want to put in their own money... but crowdfunding should just shut it down if it isn't that good
14:58 < asimon> The room there is long dead unfortunately but I spent many hours around in there
14:58 < int0x1C8> JollyRgrs, yeah it seems everything BUT hardware campaigns are pretty likely to succeed
14:58 < JollyRgrs> i started IRC because of MOH:AA and gamesurge
14:58 < brucevein> anyone else getting their autodiscover attacked this morning?
14:58 < Nightcinder> it depends on the hardware campaign
14:58 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: those look interesting
14:59 < brucevein> some nice soul has been brute-forcing accounts via owa/autodiscover for the last 24 hours
14:59 < donut_> i started irc because it was the only working comm network around back then in -93
14:59 < Sousapro> How much to preorder? (I'm on a phone lol)
14:59 < int0x1C8> but hardware kickstarts never fail to underestimate the cost of product research, engineering, then actually building a supply chain to bring it to market
14:59 < Nightcinder> i wouldn't preorder rn
14:59 < Nightcinder> it's probably like 350 on indiegogo
14:59 < Sousapro> Oww
14:59 < JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: iirc, Grip6 did their carbon belt buckles on kickstarter, possibly their first ones, too
14:59 < JollyRgrs> i have their belt and i can attest it is good
14:59 < Sousapro> That's too close to known good headphones
14:59 < int0x1C8> ok, well that's something small
15:00 < Nightcinder> i <3 my grip6 belt
15:00 < int0x1C8> but like these headphones
15:00 < JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: u2? :)
15:00 < int0x1C8> didn't another headphone kickstarter just collapse
15:00 < Nightcinder> i don't have the carbon buckle though
15:00 < JollyRgrs> i was so on edge about it... i was like "this isn't going to be as advertised"
15:00 < Nightcinder> that headphone kickstarter was bound to fail from the start though int0x1C8
15:00 < JollyRgrs> i don't either, i just got a black normal buckle
15:00 < Sousapro> I have graphene IEMs that cost $10 and other than weak bass they are excellent
15:00 < Nightcinder> anyone with eyes could've seen that was gonna fail lol
15:00 < Nightcinder> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/248983394/ossic-x-the-first-3d-audio-headphones-calibrated-t
15:00 < Jekotia> Are there any good options out there for a building a "heartbeat" monitoring page, or is that more of a DIY thing?
15:00 < Nightcinder> this thing was a joke from the getgo
15:01 < Sousapro> Jekotia: you mean nagios?
15:01 < Sousapro> Or uptimedoctor.com?
15:01 <@cryptic1> But is it 4d3d3d?
15:01 < int0x1C8> I just like how their main selling point was 3D audio
15:01 < donut_> btw IRC also played a major role in the russian revolution in early 90s as it was the only reliable comm channel out of the country.
15:01 < int0x1C8> when surround sound capable headphones have been around for a while
15:01 < Nightcinder> well that's how this was branded too https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/248983394/ossic-x-the-first-3d-audio-headphones-calibrated-t
15:02 < Nightcinder> oops
15:02 < Nightcinder> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mobius-immersive-cinematic-3d-audio-headphone-headphones/x/2725516#/
15:02 < Nightcinder> surround sound headphones generally suck, the 3d sound they speak of would've been a ltitle different
15:02 < donut_> i dont fucking understand surround headphones
15:02 < Nightcinder> they're not really a thing
15:03 < donut_> they shouldn't be a thing at all
15:03 < Nightcinder> the 7.1 ones are even more fun
15:03 < donut_> we only have 2 ears
15:03 < Nightcinder> they stuffed 7 30mm drivers into a headphone
15:03 < Nightcinder> congrats
15:03 < Nightcinder> that's not how that works
15:03 < JollyRgrs> donut_: you have 2 ears, yet can tell the diff between left, right, front, back, below, above IRL....
15:03 < donut_> and its all about timing, not fucking drivers
15:03 < int0x1C8> donut_, 3d just means you can tell WHERE the sound is coming from
15:03 < JollyRgrs> it's all about acousitics
15:04 < Jekotia> Sousapro: Uptime doctor not so much. Can nagios monitor service responsiveness? i.e. "test" an internal site to ensure it's sending the expected output, or try to push a file to a SMB share to see if it's running properly?
15:04 < Nightcinder> there's a reason all of the surround haedphones are gamer headphones
15:04 < JollyRgrs> if you send a signal to your ear formulated like it would have been if it bounced off of the wall and back to you, or off the side of your ear, etc... you shape the wave and pipe it in
15:04 < donut_> every time i see some ad or kerfuffle about surround headphones i'm facepalming so hard.
15:04 < Nightcinder> because reputable headphone companies won't try tht
15:04 < Nightcinder> because it's dumb
15:04 < JollyRgrs> that being said... i'm not a huge fan of it
15:04 < JollyRgrs> for watching a movie at my desk, it does sound better than straight stereo
15:04 < Jekotia> JollyRgrs: That's not even how it's supposed to work...
15:04 < JollyRgrs> but it isn't "perfection" for a true SS setup
15:05 < Nightcinder> JollyRgrs: i bet you'd much prefer my headphones to any surround headphones
15:05 < Jekotia> It doesn't matter how magical the sound reaching one ear is
15:05 < int0x1C8> honestly software based surround is just fine for my purposes
15:05 < Jekotia> A single ear cannot tell you where a sound is coming from
15:05 < Nightcinder> int0x1C8: eewwwwwwwww
15:05 < donut_> but it takes a sound engineer to create software drivers for games etc to actually produce real 3d sound
15:05 < donut_> for example skyrim is totally incapable of it
15:05 < int0x1C8> there's probably mods for that
15:05 < Nightcinder> turn on HRTF in quake champions
15:05 < Nightcinder> it's fuckin WEIRD
15:05 < donut_> but that was fixed with a sound driver mod
15:05 < Jekotia> Our ability to tell where a sound is coming from is based on the sound reaching both ears, and our brain then determining a direction based on the loudness at one ear compared to the other
15:06 < donut_> and it works. with just regular headphones
15:06 < int0x1C8> that's what I'm saying
15:06 < int0x1C8> no need for fancy bullshit 'grapheeeeeeen' headphones
15:06 < donut_> i can instantly tell that this particular sound is coming behind me slightly to the left and up.
15:06 < Nightcinder> int0x1C8: i mean
15:06 < Nightcinder> graphene (if they evre figure it out) is the future of speaker tech
15:06 < donut_> I DONT NEED EXTRA SPEAKER ELEMENTS FOR THAT
15:07 < Nightcinder> it's the perfect speaker material
15:07 < int0x1C8> what are they using the graphene for? the diaphragm material?
15:07 < Nightcinder> membrane
15:07 < abakedapplepie> not the cone?
15:07 < int0x1C8> the one that oscillates right?
15:07 < int0x1C8> makes sense
15:08 < Nightcinder> yes the membrane is the one that oscillates
15:08 < int0x1C8> graphene would be perfect for that
15:08 < Nightcinder> they use a graphene oxide
15:08 < int0x1C8> lowest theoretical areal mass density
15:08 < Nightcinder> they have fucktons of companies wanting their tech rn
15:08 < Nightcinder> the headphones are just a proof of concept
15:09 < int0x1C8> hardly any inertia, the frequency and impulse response would be nearly perfect
15:09 < Nightcinder> i think it's a lot of auto/smartphone
15:09 < asimon> graphene is touted as the future of pretty much every industry though
15:10 < int0x1C8> asimon++
15:10 < int0x1C8> thats what I was refering to
15:10 < Nightcinder> well the company i linked is actually producing membranes now asimon
15:10 < Nightcinder> which is a big step forward
15:10 < asimon> That makes me skeptical of it becoming the future of anything
15:10 < Nightcinder> the issue with graphene has always been cost
15:10 < int0x1C8> have a problem in your area of expertise/industry? THROW GRAPHEEEEEN AND BLOCKCHAINS AT IT
15:10 < Nightcinder> graphene simply costs waaaay too much
15:11 < int0x1C8> oh and some machine learning for good measure
15:11 < asimon> I mean a bunch of companies actually produced nuclear reactors for electricity generation and we're just falling back to fossil fuels because the future is too expensive
15:11 < darkscrypt> 🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔🐔
15:11 < asimon> production != success
15:11 < Nightcinder> hey i'm all for more nuclear power plants
15:11 < asimon> Oh me too! I work in that industry
15:11 < darkscrypt> Nightcinder: me too!
15:11 < darkscrypt> possibly fusion soon eh?
15:11 < Nightcinder> i read something about that
15:11 < darkscrypt> lemme pull it up
15:12 < int0x1C8> we need modular molten salt reactors
15:12 < asimon> but you can't say the industry is doing particularly well even if you support the technology
15:12 < Jekotia> If you want some nice wireless binaural headphones, go with https://hookeaudio.com/ They record with a mic in the back of each ear-bud.
15:12 < Nightcinder> well that's more political than anything
15:12 < Nightcinder> asimon: situations like chernobyl really fucked that, and it's too bad because with proper protocols and safety incidents like that don't happen
15:12 < Nightcinder> but oh well
15:12 < Nightcinder> that's what happens
15:13 < Nightcinder> that's not an earbud m8
15:13 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: The part that goes in is :P
15:13 < Nightcinder> that's called an IEM
15:14 < asimon> Nightcinder: Chernobyl was a special case of blatent disregard for any sense of safety, but TMI-2, Fukushima, Davis-Besse, etc weren't that preventable without prior experience with those issues
15:14 < int0x1C8> nuclear power is one of my hot button issues, I can't stand people who have no idea about anything about it beneath the surface of 'omg radiation chernobyl fukushima checkm8 nuclear advocates'
15:14 < Nightcinder> asimon: i agree, but the few ruined it for the many
15:14 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: IK, but I use laymans terms when I'm not sure if people know the proper term
15:14 < Jekotia> Pedantics aside, I backed them on Kickstarter. They're damn nice.
15:15 < Nightcinder> you should try my focal utopias :p
15:15 < asimon> At least I'm glad other countries are stepping up their nuclear game, even if it's dying in the US (with a brief flicker of hope in NuScale)
15:15 < coderphive> WINDMILLS EVERYWHERE
15:15 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: Okay. What's your address?
15:15 < Nightcinder> clean coal obv superior
15:15 < asimon> China in particular, and a bunch of developing nations
15:16 < darkscrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZm_mpbKX5c
15:16 < int0x1C8> when I tell people most of the reactors in service are still generation 1 or 2 designs when we have practical examples of passively fail-safe generation 4 reactors, sometimes they're like, well why aren't we building those
15:16 < int0x1C8> WHY NOT INDEED
15:16 < darkscrypt> joe scott on fusion energy
15:16 < asimon> btw if you're into geopolitics theres a strong case to be made that Russia is gaining a shitton of global influence by practically giving away reactors and training to nations who want them
15:17 < asimon> int0x1C8: While all that's true, the cost of building those new designs is exorbitantly prohibitive
15:17 < Nightcinder> lol
15:17 < Nightcinder> i love the headlines if you google nuclear fusion
15:17 < Nightcinder> http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-entire-planet-could-literally-be-fueled-by-star-power-as-soon-as-2030
15:17 < Nightcinder> STAR POWER
15:17 < asimon> that's my new favorite term Nightcinder
15:18 < darkscrypt> https://youtu.be/KZm_mpbKX5c?t=8m20s
15:18 < int0x1C8> asimon, I can't see how small scale monolithic/modular molten salt reactors would be more insanely expensive than the LWRs we have now
15:18 < Nightcinder> "http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-entire-planet-could-literally-be-fueled-by-star-power-as-soon-as-2030"
15:18 < darkscrypt> the wendelstein really cool. designed by a supercomputer :)
15:18 < Nightcinder> oops
15:18 < Nightcinder> "The next target for Tokamak Energy is to reach 212 million degrees Fahrenheit"
15:18 < Nightcinder> 27mil to 212mil is a slightly large jump
15:18 < darkscrypt> also there is ITER
15:18 < coderphive> o rly
15:18 < asimon> int0x1C8: I'll try to dig for Nuscale's licensing budget
15:19 < coderphive> s/Nuscale/JollyRgrs
15:19 <+layer-eight> [SED coderphive/asimon] int0x1C8: I'll try to dig for JollyRgrs's licensing budget
15:19 < int0x1C8> pretty much all military and commercial reactors are water-moderated which means insanely high pressure requirements in the main power circuit
15:19 < darkscrypt> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
15:19 <+layer-eight> * darkscrypt →  ITER - Wikipedia
15:19 < darkscrypt> OMG
15:19 < estranger> POWAH
15:19 < Jekotia> Nightcinder: The fact that we can make fusion work alone is mind boggling. Note that by work I don't mean as a power source. IK we're not there yet. But that we can sustain the reaction for even a fraction of a second, a reaction that generates the same amount of heat as a star... Jesus fucking christ
15:19 < darkscrypt> ITER, is latin for Do you know the way
15:19 < int0x1C8> molten salt is atmospheric pressure, you just have to deal with, you know, molten salt
15:19 < darkscrypt> and that is one of the largest fusion reactor projects underway
15:20 < Nightcinder> if they reach 212mil then yeah, we're gettin unlimited energy
15:20 < darkscrypt> do you know DE WAY
15:20 < darkscrypt> it's apparently iter
15:20 < int0x1C8> there's also JET
15:21 < coderphive> I actually bathe in molten salt
15:21 < MadCamel> bussard ramjets. that's what we need.
15:22 < asimon> Federal aid for Nuscale's licensing process was $62.5m in FY2016 and $89.6m in FY2017, which doesn't include any funding they get from other sources
15:22 < abakedapplepie> wow TIL atlassian's support for SSL is literal garbage
15:22 < abakedapplepie> how the fuck do they get away with that
15:22 < abakedapplepie> are they just telling their customers to proxy it
15:22 < abakedapplepie> jesus
15:22 < coderphive> yes
15:23 < asimon> And that's with their reactor as essentially the same as current PWR designs, just without primary coolant pumps
15:23 < abakedapplepie> if i was actually paying big bucks for this
15:23 < abakedapplepie> and some pimply faced salesman said that to me
15:23 < abakedapplepie> id laugh
15:23 < coderphive> CDN it rather
15:23 < abakedapplepie> then fart in his mouth
15:23 < corn266> abakedapplepie, don't you just add the cert to a cert store for tomcat to consume?
15:23 < int0x1C8> asimon, nuclear is one industry where regulations might be a bit too much
15:23 < asimon> I can't imagine that an MSR would get licensed for operation with anything under 10x that
15:23 < int0x1C8> clearly they're important
15:23 < abakedapplepie> corn266: they officially dont support running confluence stack with ssl natively
15:23 < asimon> You know I thought that too
15:23 < abakedapplepie> they officially dont support ssl at all
15:24 < abakedapplepie> > Atlassian applications can be accessed via HTTPS, however Atlassian Support does not provide assistance for configuring it. Consequently, Atlassian cannot guarantee providing any support for it.
15:24 < int0x1C8> but those licensing requirements are based on the gen1/2 designs
15:24 < asimon> But the more I work and study the field, the more the level of regulation actually seems appropriate
15:24 < corn266> well yea it's just a tomcat server and that's what supports SSL
15:24 < int0x1C8> new tech should mean reassessing effective regulations
15:24 < abakedapplepie> corn266: they are talking about software support
15:24 < abakedapplepie> their support people will never help you set up ssl on a server youre paying for
15:24 < abakedapplepie> heaven forbid you dont know what youre doing
15:24 < corn266> https://www.digicert.com/csr-ssl-installation/tomcat-keytool.htm
15:24 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  Tomcat: CSR & SSL Installation (Keytool)
15:25 < corn266> it's literally a google away
15:25 < abakedapplepie> thats not the point
15:25 < asimon> Yes they are - how much time and money would it take to build up a whole new set of regulations for a technology without the body of knowledge we have for water-moderated reactors?
15:25 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:25 < asimon> It may be a better/safer/cheaper technology at face value
15:25 < int0x1C8> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellarator
15:25 <+layer-eight> * int0x1C8 →  Stellarator - Wikipedia
15:25 < MadCamel> abakedapplepie: We're using the atlassian stack via tls as everything here is mandated to be tls.. And I 100% guarantee that atlassian is being required to support the configuration. So their faq is full of it
15:25 < int0x1C8> my university has one of these
15:26 < coderphive> corn266: I'm fairly certain he's talking about the SAAS version
15:26 < asimon> but ensuring the level of safety rigor is not a trivial matter
15:26 < darkscrypt> int0x1C8: <3
15:26 < abakedapplepie> this is like selling a car without seatbelts because there are better ways to make a seatbelt
15:26 < darkscrypt> int0x1C8: yes <3 <3 🐔 🐔 <3 🐔
15:26 < int0x1C8> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helically_Symmetric_Experiment
15:26 <+layer-eight> * int0x1C8 →  Helically Symmetric Experiment - Wikipedia
15:26 < corn266> coderphive, https://confluence.atlassian.com/adminjiraserver073/running-jira-applications-over-ssl-or-https-861253906.html
15:26 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  Running JIRA applications over SSL or HTTPS - Atlassian Documentation
15:26 < abakedapplepie> MadCamel: what do they have you guys using, TLS native or proxy via nginx?
15:26 < MadCamel> let me look
15:26 < int0x1C8> UW-mad baybeee
15:26 < abakedapplepie> im trying to figure out how i want to do it
15:26 < abakedapplepie> or whats better
15:27 < coderphive> corn266: I'm fairly certain he's talking about JIRA Cloud
15:27 < abakedapplepie> im not talking about cloud
15:27 < abakedapplepie> on prem
15:27 < int0x1C8> asimon, not saying it will be cheap or easy, but it should happen sooner rather than later
15:27 < coderphive> oh
15:27 < corn266> boom
15:27 < abakedapplepie> it just flat out doesnt support tls out of the box
15:27 < abakedapplepie> and i find that scary
15:27 < abakedapplepie> its 2018
15:27 < abakedapplepie> it should be a checkbox i enable
15:27 < coderphive> Well, it does
15:28 < coderphive> You just have to configure tomcat
15:28 < corn266> You gotta purchase the certs abakedapplepie
15:28 < corn266> they can't help you do that
15:28 < int0x1C8> because even with fusion power, I don't think fission reactors are going anywhere
15:28 < abakedapplepie> coderphive: they say it dont tho
15:28 < asimon> int0x1C8: Anyways I think you and I are in agreement on most of this lol. I'm just not optimistic for anything faster than a glacial pace in this industry, and the rate at which we're losing reactors is far faster than the rate at which we're building new ones
15:28 < corn266> abakedapplepie, my coworker and I literally did this last friday haha
15:28 < coderphive> abakedapplepie: I guess you could do it with LetsEncrypt if it's public?
15:28 < coderphive> or setup your own CA
15:28 < coderphive> >:)
15:29 < abakedapplepie> corn266 i clearly obviously know how to set up ssl i just find it appaling that it isnt supported
15:29 < corn266> Or self-sign and tell your staff to fuck off
15:29 < abakedapplepie> and it isnt, it says so right there
15:29 < int0x1C8> fission reactors are best at providing high amounts of sustained thermal power, we just happen to use that to generate electricity at the moment
15:29 < int0x1C8> but the thermal output will be more important in the future
15:29 < abakedapplepie> the fact that they may or may not support it anyway is an aside
15:29 < coderphive> It supports SSL the same way every other application does?
15:29 < corn266> It says setting it up is outside the scope of their documentation
15:29 < coderphive> I'm confused
15:29 < corn266> because it's a tomcat thing, not an atlassian thing
15:29 < coderphive> ^
15:29 < estranger> back in the olden days when I was a SA running the conlfuence stack I put it all behind a proxy w/ SSL
15:29 < coderphive> This is the way you setup Java apps for SSL
15:29 < MadCamel> abakedapplepie: It's apparently running under websphere.
15:29 < abakedapplepie> wat
15:29 < int0x1C8> desalination of sea water, hydrocarbon recycling, biofuel production, all need heat flux
15:30 < int0x1C8> fission reactors are perfect for those
15:30 < estranger> and yes you can just add the certs into tomcat security if you prefer keytool :)
15:30 < estranger> but fuck keytool IMO
15:30 < coderphive> int0x1C8: I actually salinate my water as it comes into the house
15:31 < estranger> water softeners are sweet
15:31 < estranger> hope my renters keep the tank full of salt.
15:31 < estranger> for some rason I doubt it
15:31 < estranger> fuckers
15:31 <+TuxedoJack> There's nothing quite like working from home with two 9-week-old kittens curled up on your lap
15:31 <+TuxedoJack> Purring and sleeping
15:31 < MadCamel> doesn't surprise me. lots of websphere here. ibm > nginx when it comes to name recognition and support resources/sue-ability.
15:31 < estranger> oh lord websphere
15:31 < coderphive> TuxedoJack: 9 weeks eh?
15:31 <+TuxedoJack> coderphive: that's what the shelter says
15:31 < coderphive> TuxedoJack: sounds like around the time YOU STOOD ME UP IN ATX
15:32 < estranger> I worked w/ websphere since before it was called websphere and I do NOT miss it one bit
15:32 < Hatter> bit of a tummy ache this morning
15:32 < estranger> NET.Commerce anyone?
15:32 < coderphive> You were just out and about having baby cats?
15:32 < coderphive> Who is she?
15:32 < estranger> in fact, back then you didn't even use java.  it had its own scripting language... and eventually you could make overridable functions w/ C++ ... oof.
15:32 <+TuxedoJack> No, my better half and I had our anniversary that weekend. The kittens came home yesterday.
15:33 < coderphive> TuxedoJack: I was joking
15:33 < sideup66> Mr krabs
15:33 < sideup66> Is
15:33 < sideup66> A
15:33 < sideup66> Vagina
15:34 < coderphive> As a prolific consumer of memes, I fail to see a meme in that blurb
15:34 < corn266> He's overthrowing the 1% through vicious name calling
15:35 < coderphive> Highly inflamatory to such an established krabfolk
15:38 < onenerdyguy> anyone got a good suggestion for a multiple terrabyte cloud backup for home stuff?
15:38 < tenthshift> onenerdyguy I kinda liked Amazon CloudDrive before they made it limited
15:38 < MadCamel> yup. a couple drives in a box at a friend/family's place. or any provider supported by rclone if you're made of money
15:39 < int0x1C8> sure just buy hard drives and send them to me
15:39 < int0x1C8> I'll keep them safe
15:39 < felda> you all asked for it so I have delivered
15:39 < felda> felda.io is back in business
15:39 < onenerdyguy> tenthshift, eh, i'm a bit leery of  Amazon. Not sure why, just a gut feeling
15:39 < int0x1C8> felda.io is back
15:39 < onenerdyguy> I'm debating on BackBlaze B2
15:39 < int0x1C8> oh
15:39 < int0x1C8> yay
15:39 < tenthshift> onenerdyguy backblaze is what a couple of my friends use, they love it
15:39 < MadCamel> well what's it matter if the files are encrypted client-side and you're the only one with the key? :)
15:39 < felda> and by back I mean I'm self hosting it so it isn't quite at its former glory
15:39 < estranger> should be leary of all the clouds. DATA AUTONOMY
15:39 < tenthshift> ^
15:39 < tenthshift> estranger++
15:39 < onenerdyguy> felda, yeah, wtf. I want my sonic dubstep
15:39 < int0x1C8> felda, I have a complaint
15:40 < onenerdyguy> felda, fuck you felda, you brought my hopes up only to dash them down hard.
15:40 < tenthshift> when you put your shit on other people's computers, nothing to keep them from deciding you don't get access anymore
15:40 < onenerdyguy> tenthshift, thats good to hear
15:40 < estranger> look at the recentnews of google shutting down peoples accounts out of the blue
15:40 < estranger> can happen in any cloud
15:40 < felda> sorry guys my backup of old felda.io has stuff that my new setup does not
15:40 < estranger> multi-cloud is real
15:40 < felda> I'm self hosting from my house using Sentora on Ubuntu 14.04
15:40 < int0x1C8> I DEPENDED ON THE VISUAL VOMIT AND WEB 3.0 TO GET THROUGH EACH DEPRESSING DAY
15:40 < tenthshift> estranger indeed https://medium.com/@serverpunch/why-you-should-not-use-google-cloud-75ea2aec00de
15:40 <+layer-eight> * tenthshift →  Why you should not use Google Cloud. – Punch a Server – Medium
15:41 < tenthshift> looks like they updated the article with a response from Google, only after it got massive traction online ofc
15:41 < tenthshift> but it happened to that org multiple times prior to them writing that article
15:41 < estranger> I like GCE too
15:42 < coderphive> Just use object storage onenerdyguy
15:42 < onenerdyguy> felda, Sentora?
15:42 < estranger> but the reality is hosting all your shit in a single provider is putting all your eggs in one basket.  have to weigh in the risk/cost of it
15:42 < coderphive> It's like $30 a month for a terabyte
15:42 < felda> onenerdyguy it's zPanel
15:42 < felda> and zPanel is supposed to be a free fork of cPanel
15:42 < MadCamel> can happen anywhere though. I've had servers in a datacenter where the owners just left the country and stopped paying the bills. Property owner got involved, doors were locked, power was off, and nobody could get their gear without a stack of receipts.
15:42 < estranger> its expensive to use more than 1 basket
15:42 < onenerdyguy> coderphive, thought about that, but I want something that if I get hit by a bus my wife can handle
15:42 < tenthshift> MadCamel holy shit
15:42 < estranger> MadCamel, yup
15:42 < onenerdyguy> felda, Panels? wtf mate. You go in there and do it right, with nginx configs, like a MAN
15:43 < felda> no
15:43 < int0x1C8> tenthshift, I'm pretty sure that org was running a production product on a consumer-grade account
15:43 < coderphive> tenthshift: that article is highly misleading
15:43 < tenthshift> int0x1C8, I'm pretty sure you're correct
15:43 < vinrock> id like to say i recall hearing about that datacenter
15:43 < humpaxx> Hello again lads
15:43 < estranger> int0x1C8, yes. def +1 to that.  if you are an enterprise using GCE you have a rep. a person.
15:43 < vinrock> mad lads
15:43 < int0x1C8> if you try running an enterprise-grade project on consumer-grade account of course you'll get flagged
15:43 < coderphive> yeap
15:44 < coderphive> That's like GCP 101
15:44 < tenthshift> still, it illustrates the power you're placing in the hands $othercompany when you host your shit somewhere not under your control
15:44 < coderphive> That article's already been debated to the depths of hell
15:44 < coderphive> tenthshift: so you don't like _any_ colocation or cloud hosting?
15:44 < estranger> yup +1 to coderphive and tenthshift.  both are very valid points
15:44 < coderphive> to be clear
15:44 < tenthshift> coderphive not true, I use cloud hosting all the time
15:44 < onenerdyguy> tenthshift, usually when you're using an enterprise level setup, there are SLA's setup on both sides. It's on Legal if they didn't read it enough before they agreed to it. of course, that's assuming people ran it by legal like they should have..
15:44 < MadCamel> I think it illustrates that you should have a good disaster recovery plan other than "$cloudprovider can just host it in another availability zone"
15:45 < corn266> hey felda looks like your ftp port is open
15:45 < estranger> coderphive, see about about all your eggs in 1 basket... colo/cloud provider/your own dc/whatever.  putting all your eggs in one basket has risk, but having multiple baskets is expensive
15:45 < humpaxx> I sprained my left ringfinger.. FML :(
15:45 < coderphive> tenthshift: "somewhere not under your control" sounds suspect to "I hate the cloud and remote datacenters"
15:45 < estranger> thats my take on it.  if you are ok w/ the risk of 1 basket, perfect
15:45 < int0x1C8> brb
15:45 < estranger> maybe 1 basket + longer RTO is acceptable for your use case
15:46 < tenthshift> coderphive it's something an individual or organization has to do a cost-benefit on
15:46 < coderphive> Cloud providers aren't one basket in most cases though
15:46 < estranger> coderphive, yes they are.
15:46 < coderphive> They're multi region and multi-az
15:46 < coderphive> What's the basket?
15:46 < onenerdyguy> the provider is the basket
15:46 < estranger> those are parts of the same basket
15:46 < coderphive> How?
15:46 < estranger> its one entity
15:46 < coderphive> Do you have a danger in GCP dying tomorrow?
15:46 < onenerdyguy> dying, probably not
15:46 < onenerdyguy> changing something? hell yeah you do. It's Google. thats their bread and butter
15:46 < estranger> what are you even aruging? that a company is not a single entity?
15:47 < coderphive> lmao
15:47 < coderphive> API's have contracts, they only change on release cadences
15:47 < onenerdyguy> hell, when it comes to shit not changing, I'll take Azure. I mean, I'll have like 80% uptime, but they won't change shit
15:47 < corn266> anyone know of a service where I can traverse the glove with lat/long coords?
15:47 < estranger> everyone here understands each provider has multiple regions/zones, this isn't a technical thing persay
15:47 < coderphive> Pretty sure the v1 API's are all still around actually
15:47 < MadCamel> there's a danger of you losing your account credentials, GCP legal freaking out and shutting you down, etc etc. Multi-region/multi-az is not a valid DR plan. It's generally pretty cheap to keep your data synced to a second provider and have a switch to slap that'll spin up the proper VMs..
15:48 < estranger> something can happen and a single provider can say "yer off the island"
15:48 < estranger> and then your engire basket of all your regions is gone
15:48 < tenthshift> as a general rule, I try to avoid adding add'l points of failure
15:48 < coderphive> MadCamel: what you're talking about is multi-cloud and no, it's not cheap
15:48 < onenerdyguy> coderphive, those are all technical things. I'm saying maybe GCP decides tomorrow that they no longer Debian. My app is built on that. WTF do I do besides MIgrate?
15:48 < tenthshift> ie, we have terrible internet here
15:48 < tenthshift> $ceo wants to switch to offprem email, like o365 or gmail business or some shit
15:48 < coderphive> That is such a farce of an argument
15:48 < coderphive> Give me something realistic
15:49 < estranger> that "something" might be a very small risk, you have to decide if that risk is worth the expense of adding a basket
15:49 < tenthshift> we do that, and our internet dies, then what; we all go home?
15:49 < coderphive> oh look
15:49 < coderphive> https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/reference/rest/v1/
15:49 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Compute Engine API  |  Compute Engine        |  Google Cloud
15:49 < coderphive> v1 api's
15:49 < coderphive> still supported
15:49 < felda> corn266 yes my FTP port is indeed open
15:49 < estranger> for most people, esp coderphive, that risk is fine
15:49 < felda> corn266 try me I dare you
15:49 < estranger> coderphive, this is not a technical logistics discussion though.
15:49 < felda> just kidding pls don't I probably should redirect the port lmao
15:50 < tenthshift> or we keep it on prem and at least can keep interacting w/ the stuff we've already received
15:50 < coderphive> estranger: I don't mind people doing risk assessment, it's that people pose ridiculous ideas to risk assessment
15:50 < coderphive> THERE WE GO!
15:50 < coderphive> He likes on-prem
15:50 < tenthshift> for that use case, yes
15:50 < estranger> coderphive, thats fair but "ridiculous" is an opinion :)
15:50 < tenthshift> otoh; my personal shit; I keep on amazon cloud, dropbox, and google drive
15:51 < coderphive> estranger: you're paid to say that
15:51 < tenthshift> because the combination of the three is far more reliable than my PC
15:51 < tenthshift> I wipe my computer on a regular basis for shits
15:51 < estranger> coderphive, i just work in higher value use cases :)
15:51 < tenthshift> and it's so nice to not have to worry about losign my important data
15:51 < coderphive> lmao
15:51 < MadCamel> coderphive: I'm doing it with 2 or 3 clients and it's cost is minimal.  As long as your system builds and configurations are fully automated all you need to run on the 2nd cloud is a single minimal VM with a lot of storage to keep a live copy of your data.
15:51 < coderphive> MadCamel: that's like the simplest installation ever
15:51 < tenthshift> my point is, cloud is not always the answer to everything
15:52 < coderphive> I run a IOT analytics company, how the fuck am I going to go multi-cloud right now?
15:52 < coderphive> Guess what, I'm not
15:52 < coderphive> I'll build out reliability in other ways
15:52 < tenthshift> and it is inherently someone else's computers
15:52 < MadCamel> sounds like your tooling isn't up to the task then
15:52 < estranger> hybrid cloud is everywhere, multi-cloud is starting to show up
15:52 < tenthshift> and you have to decide whether or not you can trust those someone or someones
15:52 < coderphive> tenthshift: yeah that argument is a farce
15:52 < estranger> coderphive, easily actually. what are your persistence layers?
15:52 < tenthshift> coderphive on what fucking basis
15:53 < estranger> are you doing predictive analytics type stuff?
15:53 < coderphive> estranger: yes
15:53 < coderphive> estranger: and yes we use cassandra
15:53 < estranger> there you go.. multi-cloud support out of the box
15:53 < tenthshift> and what is it a farce for
15:53 < coderphive> Cassandra isn't the issue
15:53 < coderphive> I'll get to that in a minute
15:53 < tenthshift> what exactly are you accusing me of
15:54 < coderphive> tenthshift: The whole reason devs wanted to leave datacenters was because of a lack of availability. Who owns the machine is mostly irrelevant.
15:54 < coderphive> Also most DC's are drowning in toxic management culture
15:54 < coderphive> "call the networking helpdesk for this, systems helpdesk for that" etc
15:55 < coderphive> estranger: the issue we have isn't with data sync, that problem's been long solved. It's migrating DNS and certs for devices on a dime. That's hard.
15:56 < tenthshift> coderphive alright that's fair
15:57 < tenthshift> emphasis on the mostly though
15:57 < estranger> coderphive, word. yeah... initial entry into the stack.
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> its not often i can send emails of praise for people
15:57 <@JollyRgrs> feels good when i do, though
15:57 < tenthshift> companies and countries can always decide to take a shit on you
15:57 < estranger> coderphive, im quite curious about your stack :)
15:57 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: I appreciate your accolades
15:57 < tenthshift> but for most of us that's not the primary concern
15:57 < coderphive> estranger: haha maybe when we have money I'll talk to you
15:57 < coderphive> Datastax is expensive
15:58 < MadCamel> eh. those problems can be solved. It's more of a business decision.. How much would you lose if your cloud provider stopped working vs how likely you think it is vs the cost of replicating at another site vs how much cash you have laying around :)
15:58 < estranger> it is..and tbh IoT data sometimes doesnt have the value that other data does to make it worht the switch
15:58 < Casteil> read-only tuesday
15:58 < Casteil> >.>
15:58 < coderphive> MadCamel: as someone who works mostly in reliability, it's not as big of a problem as people make it seem
15:58 < estranger> we have some.... things... coming to maybe make it more worth your while though soonish
15:58 < coderphive> Most companies do not need to be multi-cloud
15:59 < estranger> and +1000 that most companies dont need multi-cloud
15:59 < coderphive> For example: We built buffering into our devices to survive a one month long outage
15:59 < estranger> but for the ones that do there is $$$ to be made :P
15:59 < coderphive> We doublestore all communications in a datalake so our DB's can be rebuilt from scratch
16:00 < estranger> coderphive, you guys do the endpoint devices too?
16:00 < coderphive> yeap, we're an IOT and services company
16:00 < coderphive> smart cities etc
16:00 < estranger> very cool.
16:00 < MadCamel> send me a device to reverse engineer :D
16:00 < coderphive> if there's one big thing I've learned in SRE it's that reliability takes many forms and it's not always adding a datacenter
16:01 < coderphive> I think we only operate in like 3 AZ's, which would be 3 DC's
16:01 < estranger> lamda architecture w/ kafka going to C*/HDFS?  api -> kafka then bifurcates  to like.. C*/HDFS/and some streaming analtyics? spark/flink/etc?
16:01 < coderphive> Actually can confirm, most of our stack exists in only three az's
16:02 < coderphive> estranger: similar, but we use Go
16:02 < coderphive> so no need for Kafka :P
16:02 < estranger> Go as a queue?  i dunno much about Go but that sounds... weird to me
16:02 < coderphive> yes, there's pub/sub servers written in Go
16:03 < alazare619> so apparently we have a brown noser on our helpdesk
16:03 < coderphive> we pick up of the queue, write to object sotrage
16:03 < estranger> cool
16:03 < MadCamel> which protects you from az outages.. but again what happens when a competitor brings a legal case against both you and your cloud provider and the cloud provider's lawyers say it's time to pull the plug? (this has happened to me personally)
16:03 < coderphive> It's a bit more scalable than RabbitMQ or Redis
16:03 < alazare619> trying to make me look bad
16:03 < alazare619> like mf i do that well enough on my own
16:04 < alazare619> ef off home slice
16:04 < coderphive> MadCamel: sounds like an edgecase
16:04 < felda> due to cryptic1's pure evil  I have to use DNS for my website to work ;_;
16:04 <@cryptic1> felda, you will use DNS and like it
16:04 < estranger> I wouldnt call either of those scalable :P but sounds good!
16:04 <@cryptic1> muAHHAHAAHH
16:04 < MadCamel> I guess I'm good at collecting edgecases 'cause that sort of thing has happened 4-5 times in my career heh
16:05 < coderphive> estranger: haha, what's scalable messaging to you?
16:05 < estranger> i do see kafka all over.. a distributed queue just works well w/ a distributed db and distributed compute like spark
16:06 < coderphive> MadCamel: read: survivorship bias
16:06 < estranger> coderphive, rabbitmq falls over under high load, redis is still shards w/ a single master not ot mention in-memory is not really scalable by nature at least at any cost value... redis flash is slow so why use redis at that point
16:06 < coderphive> estranger: oh, I get what you mean
16:06 < coderphive> tbh we've debated just switching to provider messaging
16:06 < abakedapplepie> you guys wanna see some lulz
16:06 < abakedapplepie> this dude sent this flyer out to his neighbors, hes a local
16:06 < abakedapplepie> https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36485521_1029356800557555_6131793897896017920_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=275acf2d12f0f9242faccbe170aa9a78&oe=5BDBD41B
16:06 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 69,356 bytes
16:06 < abakedapplepie> 50133 dove lane is gonna be LIT tonight
16:07 < abakedapplepie> he sent that out on friday
16:07 < abakedapplepie> cops were at his house saturday
16:07 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:07 < abakedapplepie> dont make terroristic threats, kids
16:07 < abakedapplepie> that block is going to have a fireworks party to end all parties though
16:08 < felda> I should probably setup FTP over TLS >_>
16:08 < coderphive> holy crap
16:08 < corn266> felda, yea i've seen all the futa you've been transfering to felda.io
16:08 < coderphive> I want to attend that party
16:09 < felda> I AM A VANILLA WARRIOR YOU FIEND!
16:09 < coderphive> revenge party ftw
16:09 < int0x1C8> throw m80s at his window
16:09 < abakedapplepie> the best part
16:09 < coderphive> abakedapplepie: where do you live?
16:09 < coderphive> I want to come
16:09 < abakedapplepie> in michigan theres 0 fireworks restrictions 1 day before and after 4th of July
16:09 < abakedapplepie> metro detroit
16:10 < int0x1C8> DO YOU KNOW EMINEM?
16:10 < abakedapplepie> like his niehgbors can literally shoot mortar after mortar, non stop
16:10 < abakedapplepie> from 9pm to 12am
16:10 < abakedapplepie> tonight, tomorr,w and the next day
16:10 < ravioli> abakedapplepie: that's beautiful
16:10 < coderphive> This is fantastic
16:10 < abakedapplepie> its about 5 miles from me too
16:11 < abakedapplepie> so i have to decide if i want to go see real fireworks
16:11 < abakedapplepie> or see this glorious retribution
16:11 < abakedapplepie> its been shared all over the city
16:11 < coderphive> You want to see retribution
16:11 < coderphive> Those fireworks will feel so good
16:11 < asimon> Good lord please help us https://imgur.com/qHsCoLc
16:11 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → a few seconds ago → 428x441 → ⚘ 1
16:12 < alazare619> abakedapplepie: what a creeper
16:12 < alazare619> like get over yourself
16:12 < int0x1C8> VERSION CONTROL CAN YOU SPEAK IT
16:12 < asimon> This is exactly why I wanted to use latex-git
16:12 < asimon> Apparently we can't
16:12 < alazare619> abakedapplepie:  real talk i have a very good friend who has PTSD and this week he sleeps with big headphones on to not be disturbed
16:12 < estranger> there is a giant church next to me here... they had a 30minute fireworks show sunday night with massive fireworks.  was one of the nicer shows ive seen in person and it was from a freaking mega church
16:13 < asimon> Does anyone have a nice word version control method/standard I can try to implement
16:13 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: yeah, i get it, it sucks, but there are ways to deal with it and not be an asshole
16:13 < estranger> I got my baby some ear protection, big pink over the ear ones, too cute :I
16:13 < asimon> I think its too late for this project but I can't let this stand for any future projects
16:13 < coderphive> OR
16:14 < coderphive> you could spend that time effort and money insulating your house
16:14 < coderphive> Your house will also maintain temperature for longer
16:14 < mrghostman> or just drive out of town and get a cheap ass hotel room for the night
16:14 < coderphive> Alright, I need to get some work done
16:15 < coderphive> Good talk fellas
16:15 < coderphive> pz
16:15 < int0x1C8> asimon do you really need to bother? why are there so many copies anyway
16:15 < asimon> int0x1C8: Often have multiple people working on or editing the same document so they make their own copies and merge changes in later
16:16 < asimon> Which is also a bad system because there are often changes that don't get merged in correctly
16:16 < int0x1C8> keep one file as most up to date, if historical versions are needed, save as to a separate folder and insert datetime stamp into file name
16:16 < asimon> esp with references
16:17 < int0x1C8> well non-O365 office is just about the most antithetical thing to collaborative document editing
16:17 < int0x1C8> so perhaps you need a screwdriver instead of a hammer?
16:18 < Spr1ng> Morning o/
16:18 < asimon> Is the collaborative editing fleshed out now? It was pretty bad last time I checked it out a couple years ago
16:18 < Spr1ng> Happy Canada Day week to all us Canadians eh
16:18 < int0x1C8> I dunno, not used it
16:19 < int0x1C8> but I have used g-docs forever
16:19 < int0x1C8> just not at work
16:19 < asimon> Yeah if it worked as well as google docs I'd move to that in a heartbeat
16:19 < int0x1C8> and g-doc collaboration is pretty mature
16:21 < asimon> And if I could get folks to stomach the initial investment for latex i'd be on board with that too
16:21 < asimon> Tbh anything is better than this
16:21 < ravioli> google apps 4 lyfe
16:21 < abakedapplepie> g-doc collab is awesome
16:21 < vinrock> latex wat you planning on partying with hunterkll
16:21 < abakedapplepie> but the interfaces suck compared to MSOffice
16:22 < abakedapplepie> how is msoffice not collaborative yet
16:22 < abakedapplepie> boggles the mind
16:22 < int0x1C8> just roll your own document collab system based on differentials and text files
16:22 < abakedapplepie> is there collaboration with sharepoint + office server?
16:24 < asimon> This looks promising https://www.simuldocs.com/
16:24 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  Simul | Version Control for Microsoft Word | Simul Documents
16:26 < int0x1C8> looks like office 2013 can share docs through onedrive like g-docs
16:26 < int0x1C8> no idea if it supports simultaneous editing though
16:26 < asimon> Wait nvm $25/user/month that's ridiculous
16:28 < asimon> We need version control but we don't need it that badly
16:28 < onenerdyguy> just spin up Gitlab
16:29 < int0x1C8> I'd just use g-docs for anything needing true collaborative editing since its free and works well
16:29 < onenerdyguy> a) it's not free for private and b) it's not standards compliant when working offline.
16:29 < int0x1C8> but if its too much effort to use a separate system just for that
16:29 < onenerdyguy> it works great when you live in it's ecosystem 100% though
16:29 < int0x1C8> meh
16:30 < int0x1C8> wait what do you mean its not free
16:31 < Jekotia> Anyone else treasure those moments when you take care of something and your drastically more experienced boss says "I'm going to say okay as though I understood." ?
16:31 < onenerdyguy> int0x1C8, if you want to use it on your own domain and have ownership/control of the files, G-Docs requires G-Suite, which is $50/user/year for Business
16:32 < onenerdyguy> int0x1C8, if you're suggesting a business use the freebie @gmail G-Docs, You're bad and should feel bad.
16:32 < int0x1C8> hey, its just a possibility
16:32 < int0x1C8> didn't say it was good or the right one
16:32 < onenerdyguy> so it's the latter, k then
16:32 < int0x1C8> I'd just ignore it
16:33 < onenerdyguy> sorry, some of us are good at our jobs ;)
16:33 < int0x1C8> the more painful it is for my users to use word/excel the better
16:33 < onenerdyguy> the word painful and users shouldn't be used together
16:33 < onenerdyguy> it isn't an us vs them mentallity. don't be that guy
16:34 < int0x1C8> in the past we had a huge problem of departments acting like petty fiefdoms, with their own spreadsheets and processes for everything
16:34 < onenerdyguy> thats the past
16:34 < onenerdyguy> remember that IT is a service department
16:34 < onenerdyguy> we exist to help support the users and business
16:34 < onenerdyguy> not the other way around.
16:35 < int0x1C8> no shit, which is why we developed tools they can use instead of excel
16:35 < int0x1C8> the tools are properly integrated with the rest of our systems and everything works together
16:35 < onenerdyguy> thats great. then why are you telling em to use Google Docs?
16:35 < felda> cryptic1 what are you doing for July 4th?
16:36 < int0x1C8> not for my users
16:37 < narziss> Before I went to bed I listened to some readings on youtube of 4chan IT horror stories.
16:37 < int0x1C8> our document version control is being developed right now in house
16:37 < narziss> One guy writes a diary format and gets to about a month in. such carnage. laughed hard.
16:38 < int0x1C8> the main quoting application is going to generate templated documents, properly versioned, based on data existing and provided
16:40 < int0x1C8> whether its docx or pdf doesn't matter to the users as long as it looks good, has correct data, and says what it needs to
16:41 < humpaxx> narziss: The one with google ultron?
16:42 <+A-KO> alrighty, usb drive no longer in storage pool ftw
16:42 < narziss> humpaxx
16:42 < narziss> YESSS
16:42 < narziss> Im laughing at that right now
16:42 < narziss> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inePKtXyFdQ&t=1177s
16:42 <+layer-eight> * narziss →  YouTube → 4chan Stories: The I.T. "Wizard" → ⚘ 184,714 ↑ 4,925 ↓ 201 ✍ 495
16:42 < narziss> "I spend all day going from computer to computer, pretending to install Google Ultron..."
16:42 < narziss> i am dying...
16:43 < narziss> probably pissing off the devs who do the real it work
16:43 < F34RInc> who told you about Ultron ?
16:43 < onenerdyguy> narziss, oh god, that thing again
16:43 < humpaxx> https://i.imgur.com/ErBF0Js.png
16:43 <+layer-eight> * humpaxx →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → 2 years ago → 627x256 → ⚘ 21,204
16:44 < estranger> dont forget to enable pink mode
16:46 < humpaxx> estranger: That only happens because the nvidia driver is trying to run chrome as a 3d application
16:46 < officerrando> wow. just ran winsat disk on a dell opti and it pulled 1829 MB/s read speed...
16:46 < humpaxx> officerrando: nvme?
16:46 < officerrando> yep
16:46 < humpaxx> Nice.
16:47 < officerrando> I've seen low-mid 500s before with SSDs, but 1800?
16:47 < officerrando> hot damn
16:47 < humpaxx> Hurrr
16:49 < Casteil> NVMe
16:49 < gh0st3d> 0
16:49 < Casteil> speaking of... I wonder if mine's still performing decently
16:49 < gh0st3d> whoops!
16:50 < officerrando> this one is acting up. open word, and it takes like 10-15 sec for the templates to load
16:50 < officerrando> just now it took 10-15 sec for the start menu to find cmd (win 7)
16:50 < humpaxx> Someone managed to get a dump of myheritage.com´s user database.. 92.283.000 email adresses + password hashes.. wow
16:50 < estranger> oof
16:50 < officerrando> haveibeenpwned.com
16:51 < vavkamil> probably nsa
16:51 < YetiFiasco> Has anyone had it where User GPOs dont apply across the whole domain
16:51 < YetiFiasco> I mean not get denied
16:51  * asimon yikes
16:51 < YetiFiasco> they dont show up in GPRESULT at all
16:52 < asimon> YetiFiasco: check your AD security groups and make sure the users are actually in the scope of your gpo
16:52 < YetiFiasco> Yes
16:52 < YetiFiasco> That has been done
16:52 < YetiFiasco> This is every user on the entire GPO
16:52 < YetiFiasco> err entire domain*
16:53 < YetiFiasco> Computer policies are applying fine, we think this happened after updating both DC's last wednesday, though we've pulled the patches back off
16:54 < Alternity> whats up with some admins obsession with hyperthreading?  they seem to think twice as many threads = twice as many cores
16:54 < Alternity> thats not how it works
16:54 < humpaxx> Alternity: pftt what do you know
16:54 <+giant_it_burrit> humpaxx: plz gib
16:54 < gh0st3d> Hey guys, I'm trying to analyze usage on a server we have that's way too powerful, but I don't know the best way to compare that to a smaller server. More specifically, our current server has 24 cores and idk how the CPU utilization on that would translate to something like 8 cores
16:55 < Alternity> you mean 48 cores with HT amirite
16:55 < humpaxx> giant_it_burrit: might be available on some hidden pastebin, just start crawling pastebin.com/* for email adresses :p
16:56 < Alternity> gh0st3d: do you have a monitoring software with a few months cpu history you can run a 95th percentile calculation on?
16:56 < gh0st3d> I had setup sar a while back though it looks like it's only saving the previous month and not multiple months
16:56 < gh0st3d> (Sorry I'm pretty new to this kind of stuff)
16:57 < gh0st3d> And I used ksar to open the log from our busiest day. The mem usage doesn't seem to tell me much because it stays nearly capped out and my understanding is that is normal for linux. The cpu usage has one spike to 17% but the rest of the day is ~5%
16:57 < int0x1C8> gh0st3d, is it esxi?
16:58 < int0x1C8> or what hypervisor you running?
16:59 < humpaxx> Time to go home and play FO4
16:59 < humpaxx> Laters lads
17:00 < gh0st3d> I don't think we're using a hypervisor
17:01 < Spr1ng> Infidel!
17:01 < Spr1ng> Get 'em boys.
17:04 < L3gacy> Aloha Snack Bar!
17:07 < L3gacy> I need to find a full time job.  FUCK disability living.  Sitting in the same room all day for 24 hours sucks in triplicate
17:11 < L3gacy> Even this on call/personal client shite is boring af.  I trained for IT, and I dont enjoy it any more
17:14 < onenerdyguy> sell a kidney?
17:18 < tenthshift> better: write an app to connect kidneys to potential kidney receivers
17:18 < tenthshift> willing donations or otherwise
17:18 < tenthshift> scan google ad services and facebook analytics buckets for people who are most likely to have healthy kidnies
17:18 < tenthshift> kidneys
17:18 < Casteil> lol @ my buddy complaining about money issues
17:18 < tenthshift> and GPS track those motherfuckers
17:18 < estranger> just mine crypto coins, pure risk free profits
17:19 < Casteil> buddy. you make nearly twice what I do, your mortgage is lower, your monthly bills are lower... and somehow you're having money problems?!
17:20 < estranger> cocaine is a hell of a drug
17:20 < onenerdyguy> have a baby. sell that baby
17:21 < onenerdyguy> anyone have a suggestion for good 'getting shit done' music
17:21 < estranger> flight of the valkyries on loop
17:22 < onenerdyguy> that could actually work, sadly
17:25 < Hatter> onenerdyguy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UcpmUQkNU
17:25 <+layer-eight> * Hatter →  YouTube → Devo   Uncontrollable Urge → ⚘ 692,316 ↑ 4,203 ↓ 86 ✍ 438
17:26 < L3gacy> https://open.spotify.com/user/1120858672/playlist/0DvUYLcyNgIRqOjMrALB3J?si=ZD2ZTU4pTSWHFM1zJ7VdyQ
17:26 <+layer-eight> * L3gacy →  BANGIN CHOONS on Spotify
17:26 < L3gacy> check that playlist :)
17:26 < L3gacy> onenerdyguy, that playlist
17:27 < Hatter> L3gacy: it looks like the worst thing I've ever seen
17:27 < L3gacy> It's Ainsey's playlist :)  Love it
17:27 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx, hey!
17:27 < L3gacy> cryptic1, go get taco truck tacos.  Feel better.  PWN face... ????  profi
17:28 <@cryptic1> i just had breakfast
17:28 < L3gacy> How ya feeling?
17:28 <@cryptic1> team breakfast tuesday
17:28 <@cryptic1> stuffed I ate too much
17:28 <@cryptic1> I better go home
17:28 < estranger> i had eggs, sausage, and toast for breakfast. was wonderful
17:28 < estranger> cryptic1, no, you better get to work
17:28 <@cryptic1> D:
17:29 < estranger> double time
17:29 < L3gacy> I have no foods
17:29 < L3gacy> :P
17:29 <@cryptic1> eggs, bacon, pancake, and potatoes
17:29 < estranger> nice
17:29 < estranger> i had the choice of pancakes or eggs, i went eggs
17:30 < L3gacy> I need a FEW rashers of bacons
17:30 <@cryptic1> estranger, why not both?
17:31 < estranger> cryptic1, wife gave the choices.. I didn't want to push my luck :)
17:32 <@cryptic1> estranger, so you are the sub
17:32 <@cryptic1> paging Hunterkll
17:32 < estranger> cryptic1, so yer the single guy
17:32 <@cryptic1> JFDkthx !!!!!
17:33 <@cryptic1> estranger, nope not for a looong time
17:33 < estranger> lol
17:33 <@cryptic1> :P
17:33 < estranger> she always makes pancakes, i get sick of em
17:33 <@cryptic1> never say that
17:33 < mrghostman> i love pancakes, but what i think i really love is the syrup
17:33 < mrghostman> i saturate mine in syrup
17:34 < estranger> they also make me fall asleep by like 10am
17:34 <@cryptic1> syrup is life
17:34 < estranger> i dont get that complete pancake mix either... i like the shit where you gotta mix in an egg and oil and stuff
17:36 < vinrock> man i cant do pancakes
17:36 < vinrock> its like eating dessert for breakfast
17:36 < estranger> yeah im a savory guy vs sweet normally
17:36 < estranger> except ice cream
17:36 < estranger> ill eat ice cream every day
17:37 < sadbox> I have a hard time enjoying sweet stuff in the morning
17:37 < estranger> and be fat and proud
17:37 < vinrock> me too, i dont do pastries either
17:37 < vinrock> later on in the day sure
17:37 < estranger> the wife discovered those trendy by the weigh fro yo places recently :<
17:38 < vinrock> FROYO
17:38 < scwizard> god i love python
17:38 < scwizard> so easy to use
17:38 < estranger> indeed
17:39 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: what
17:39 < JFDkthx> im sick what do you want
17:40 < estranger> TAKE OUT THE TRASH, TRASH
17:40 < scwizard> https://paste.ofcode.org/PHjNR3usVbK6CK27AHUEWv <- for listing branches that were merged but not deleted in gitlab
17:40 <+layer-eight> * scwizard →  Paste ofCode
17:40 < scwizard> it's that easy!
17:41 < vinrock> that could be python or basic
17:41 < JFDkthx> ur basic
17:41 < corn266> JFDkthx, how can you be sick but not even be playing video games
17:41 < vinrock> yo momma
17:41 < JFDkthx> corn266: because guilt
17:41 < scwizard> vinrock: does basic have a gitlab library?
17:41 < scwizard> no they don't
17:42 < br14> Can most phones fall back to 3G or are we at a point where LTE only is common(-ish)?
17:42 < JFDkthx> mom always yelled at me saying if i was good enough for games i was good enough for school
17:42 < vinrock> br14 yes
17:42 < vinrock> thats how a stingray works
17:42 < JFDkthx> corn266: so now i'm just laying in bed reading
17:42 < scwizard> whenever my phone falls back to 3g, the 3g signal is ass too
17:43 < br14> one of the /r/sysadmin threads reminded about a long standing issue I have with a vzw network extender.
17:43 < br14> 3g is better than no signal though.  I work in a metal shed.
17:44 < mrghostman> anyone have experience with cellular signal boosters, like weboost?
17:49 < br14> mrghostman: black arts.  Depending on scale,  Small office/bldg, I do like the verizon business extenders.  Large scale, Cown Castle will take all of your money and fix your problems.
17:50 < br14> s/cown/crown
17:50 < mrghostman> br14: for home use
17:51 < mrghostman> br14: i currently use a microcell with ATT, but Cisco has stopped making them, and ATT stopped selling them.  when mine dies, i will lose signal inside the house.
17:51 < Sousapro> mrghostman: what about WiFi?
17:51 < Sousapro> mrghostman: I've got UBNT WAPs in the house with fast roaming enabled
17:52 < felda> those times when you goof typing your password so now you gorilla punch each key XD
17:52 < Sousapro> can wander around and my s9+ handles it like a champ
17:52 < felda> Sousapro doesn't that hamstring some functionality on your network tho?
17:52 < Sousapro> not at all
17:52 < Sousapro> 802.11kvr is fine
17:53 < mrghostman> Sousapro: i have never been able to get my iphone to reliably use wifi calling
17:53 < Sousapro> felda: it's that weird thing where they are all on the same channel that's an issue
17:53 < Sousapro> felda: I think it's called zero handoff
17:53 < felda> it was something else
17:53 < felda> yeah that might be it
17:54 < felda> zero hand-off turns of compatibility features and stuff like that
17:54 < felda> everything gets weird
17:54 < Sousapro> felda: it keeps maximum speed down on your network. 802.11k/v/r doesn't have any of those issues but require the devices to support the features
17:54 < Sousapro> yeah
17:55 < sideup66> Wow
17:55 < sideup66> I have tmo WiFi and it works seamlesslu
17:55 < sideup66> Seamlessly*
17:56 < Sousapro> sideup66: yeah, that all-in-one they give out is pretty solid
17:56 < Sousapro> felda: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202628
17:56 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  Wi-Fi network roaming with 802.11k, 802.11r, and 802.11v on iOS - Apple Support
17:56 < Sousapro> felda: basically anything not from the stone age works with it
17:56 < sideup66> Sousapro: you don't even need it
17:56 < sideup66> Literally any wifi router works
17:57 < felda> well yeah I have my own Unifi Network with roaming going
17:57 < Sousapro> sideup66: oh I know. I'm using UBNT WAP, Switch, and router to do mine
17:57 < Sousapro> felda: which WAPs do you have?
17:57 < sideup66> felda: is this sourced to pfsense
17:57 < felda> Unifi AP LR
17:57 < felda> not the new ones
17:57 < felda> they are the old ones
17:57 < sideup66> I gotta get a router for someone at home
17:57 < sideup66> Grr
17:57 < felda> sideup66 yes my website is running behind pfsense
17:57 < mrghostman> when enabled on my iphone, the Wifi calling symbol only displays part of the time
17:58 < sideup66> Because he needs a vlan
17:58 < Sousapro> felda: https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/115004662107-UniFi-Fast-Roaming
17:58 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  UniFi - Fast Roaming – Ubiquiti Networks Support and Help Center
17:58 < Sousapro> felda: as long as your WAP's firmware is up to dateish, you'll have fast roaming
17:58 < sideup66> And I don't think the stock firmware in the cheap potato he has supports it and there is nil 3rd party
17:58 < sideup66> felda: I thought felda.io died
17:59 < felda> Sousapro yeah I figured it was just chooching in the background.  I got it mixed up with zero handoff
17:59 < felda> sideup66 it is returned
17:59 < felda> I stayed up late last night getting it going
17:59 < Sousapro> mrghostman: what router/wap do you have?
17:59 < mrghostman> Sousapro: netgear r6700
17:59 < scwizard> "2018-05-09T19:00:48.802Z" <- can someone tell me what datetime format this is?
17:59 < Sousapro> mrghostman: stock firmware?
18:00 < mrghostman> Sousapro: yeah
18:00 < Sousapro> mrghostman: tomato does weird things sometimes
18:00 < Sousapro> okay cool
18:00 < Sousapro> up to date right?
18:00 < scwizard> wait it doesn't matter anyway
18:00 < sideup66> felda: oh really
18:00 < sideup66> I thought the meme must die
18:01 < mrghostman> Sousapro: yes. my WAN bandwidth with my ISP is ass though.  not sure how that plays into whether the phone determines a network is capable of wifi calling
18:01 < Sousapro> mrghostman: latency is the big one
18:01 < Sousapro> mrghostman: how's the latency on the connection?
18:01 < mrghostman> Sousapro: not bad.  when i did game, i would have 150ms ping
18:04 < L3gacy> mrghostman, to Moon Guard, I have a ping of 36.  150 would make me cringe
18:05 < L3gacy> mrghostman, what ISP options and connection options do you have in your area?
18:05 < mrghostman> L3gacy: 3Mb DSL
18:06 < L3gacy> No other options?
18:06 < mrghostman> satellite
18:06 < L3gacy> oh dear butter Vishbakharamha
18:06 < L3gacy> I'm so sorry
18:07 < L3gacy> Where are you nlocated?
18:07 < L3gacy> *located
18:07 < mrghostman> L3gacy: I live on 70 acres in Georgia.  Internet bandwidth isnt high on my need list at home.
18:08 < L3gacy> I understand that :)  I'm in NJ
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> lol.... gotta love zscaler
18:08 <@JollyRgrs> we're blocking github.com
18:09 <@cryptic1> dangerous place
18:09 <@cryptic1> did you know Microsoft bought github?
18:09 <@cryptic1> TIL
18:09  * cryptic1 pukes
18:09 <@cryptic1> TIL IS BANT!!!
18:10 < corn266> cryptic1, isn't there work you need to get back to?
18:10 <@cryptic1> no
18:10 <@cryptic1> corn266, get back to work
18:11 < corn266> I'm waiting on an email that will hopefully correlate pictures of rocks to the times, dates, and locations they were taken
18:11 < corn266> these are some very fancy rocks
18:12 < Spr1ng> mars related?
18:12 < corn266> no they're just shiny
18:12 < Spr1ng> *yawn* mars is so yesterday
18:12 < asimon> `til
18:12 <+layer-eight> TIL  the military is developing a robot which feeds on organic material for fuel... What's the worst that could happen?
18:12 < corn266> oh shit horizon zero dawn
18:13 < asimon> So...a robot that runs on oil?
18:13  * asimon lames
18:13 < corn266> https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/005/831/329/large/miguel-angel-martinez-horizon-zero-dawn-deathbringer-concept-art.jpg?1494073992
18:13 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 429,892 bytes
18:17 < Spr1ng> for heavens sake these windows updates are taking FOREVER to complete geeeez
18:19 < deww> Spr1ng: you need one of those cpus with like 32 cores and pure flash storage and 1TB of ram.
18:19 < Spr1ng> this is exactly that
18:19 < deww> damn
18:19 < deww> time machine?
18:19 < Spr1ng> It's a Citrix VDA VM with the best specs
18:20 < squealingcode> What kind of R/W speeds can you expect from a RAID 6 array? Are writes speeds generally slower than a single drive?
18:20 < Spr1ng> squealingcode: that entirely depends on so many factors.
18:22 < squealingcode> I see
18:25 <+A-KO> aaand upgraded lol
18:25 <+A-KO> gg
18:25 <+A-KO> okay
18:25 <+A-KO> so Enterprise is now installed
18:25 < Sousapro> you're a cyborg now?
18:25 < Sousapro> darn
18:25 < Sousapro> was hoping roboA-KO
18:25 <+A-KO> now to begin the long and arduous practice of robocopying my data to my external drive
18:26 < onenerdyguy> i wanna smack some of my juniors today
18:26 < onenerdyguy> someone just recommended we use PDQ Deploy to install our Windows Updates
18:26 < gnupluslinux> Erryting ayrie
18:26 < gnupluslinux> onenerdyguy wat
18:27 <@JollyRgrs> what to do for lunch today?
18:27 < onenerdyguy> gnupluslinux, thats exactly my response
18:27 < gnupluslinux> Is... wsus not a thing where you are?
18:27 < onenerdyguy> gnupluslinux, nah, it is. They want an option to isntall but not reboot, which GPo is having a shite time doing
18:27 < gnupluslinux> Ah
18:28 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: I'm struggling with that decision myself
18:28 < Hatter> leaning towards burrito
18:29 <+A-KO> onenerdyguy: use Windows 10, set maintenance hours
18:29 <+A-KO> lol
18:29 < onenerdyguy> A-KO, hahahah yeah, like that'll work :P
18:29 < onenerdyguy> A-KO, these are 911, they are 24/7
18:29 <+A-KO> disconnect 'em from the internet
18:29 <+A-KO> aaand robocopy started
18:29 <+A-KO> bbl!
18:30 < corn266> JollyRgrs, bacon cheese burger fully loaded + grilled mushrooms and jalapenos
18:30 < Stoob> man i should just leave
18:30 < Stoob> got my motorcycle loaded up and 1700 miles to go but nooo I gotta work
18:35 < Sousapro> Stoob: that's a bit of a ride, which bike do you have?
18:35 < Stoob> yamaha super tenere
18:35 < Sousapro> Stoob: nice looking bike :D
18:36 < Stoob> I like it :P Just bolted a bunch of cases to the back of it and lights to the front, cruising from san diego to iowa for a family reunion this weekend
18:36 < Sousapro> I'm pretty jealous
18:36 < Stoob> pretty much everywhere, it's gonna be hot
18:36 < Sousapro> I've only got 1400 miles on my Road King and I need to get more
18:36 < Sousapro> I only bought it two months ago though so not the worst
18:37 < Stoob> lol ah makes sense
18:37 < Sousapro> I keep trying to talk myself into a tour pak / top case but it would ruin the lines
18:37 < Stoob> I'm going to break 50k miles on the odo this trip (only like 200 mi away)
18:37 < Sousapro> https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/harley-davidson-introduces-2017-road-king-special_1.jpg
18:37 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 420,346 bytes
18:38 < Sousapro> that bike with LED lighting everywhere and one of the police road king solo seats that sits on a spring
18:38 < Stoob> youve got the sidecases right, do you neeeed the topbox?
18:38 < Stoob> lol
18:38 < Sousapro> Stoob: my helmet and jacket don't fit in those very well
18:38 < Sousapro> lol
18:38 < Sousapro> I may just get a cargo rack
18:39 < Sousapro> and get it black oxidized to match the rest of the bike
18:39 < Stoob> http://i.imgur.com/9swjCIs.jpg for the record I rode this bike with this giant top box on a 4month roadtrip so im just goofin
18:39 <+layer-eight> * Stoob →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 5 years ago → motorcycles → 1315x986 → ⚘ 286
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> i stopped to chat with a guy, then saw it was lightly raining... and realized...
18:40 <@JollyRgrs> why not just skip lunch, get a free gourmet "ice pop" they are giving out at 1pm, and then just go hom a little bit earlier than usual
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> i think we're leaving at 3, so i'll leave at 2... or slightly before
18:41 < hxcsp> its taco tuesday at the office today. free tacos
18:41 <@dbcc> i skipped lunch yesterday
18:41 <@dbcc> still eft on time
18:41 < onenerdyguy> hxcsp, hey, it's also taco tuesday here!
18:41 < hxcsp> ncie onenerdyguy
18:41 < onenerdyguy> hxcsp, and I over indulged and now want to nap
18:41 < hxcsp> nice
18:41 < hxcsp> loll
18:41 <@dbcc> i live in south texas every day is taco day
18:41 < Stoob> https://i.imgur.com/IT4wdaM.jpg also my current bike as of yesterday Sousapro (don't have the lights bolted on and wired up yet)
18:41 <+layer-eight> * Stoob →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → a few seconds ago → 1272x954 → ⚘ 2
18:41 < hxcsp> dbcc: well yeah, but this is free
18:41 < hxcsp> not as good as torchys but ill take it
18:41 <@JollyRgrs> hxcsp: this is america, we're all free!
18:42 < hxcsp> JollyRgrs: right. except cryptic1
18:42 < hxcsp> because hes from canada
18:42 <@cryptic1> O_o
18:42 < hxcsp> i bet you have to work tomorrow
18:43 < hxcsp> :P
18:43 <@dbcc> no its probably some bullshit holiday
18:43 <@dbcc> like "first time queen tasted maple syrup day"
18:43 < hxcsp> lol
18:43 <@JollyRgrs> HAHA
18:44 <@JollyRgrs> dbcc: it's the birthday of the dukes of hazzard (they're twins and split birthright to the title Duke)
18:45 <@dbcc> its probably "our money looks like a 5 year old designed it day"
18:45 <@JollyRgrs> HAHAHA
18:45 < asimon> s/it/IT
18:45 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon/dbcc] ITs probably "our money looks like a 5 year old designed it day"
18:45 < asimon> fuckin
18:45 <@dbcc> swish
18:45 < Sousapro> Stoob: that's gonna be a hell of trip on that bike. I'm definitely jealous now
18:45 <@JollyRgrs> lol
18:46 < asimon> shitty ass bot why doesn't it know what I mean
18:46 < Sousapro> Stoob: oh, one thing. are you sure about pegs vs mini-boards for a long trip?
18:46 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: b/c it can't fix stupid
18:46 < Sousapro> s/mean/mean when I moan PFSense at night
18:46 <+layer-eight> [SED Sousapro/asimon] shitty ass bot why doesn't it know what I mean when I moan PFSense at night
18:46 < asimon> We live in the future why wouldn't it be able to fix stupid
18:46 < Stoob> Sousapro: the only thing I don't like about this trip is that i want to get to iowa quickly, it'd be more fun if I had infinite time (shoulda taken today off)
18:46 < asimon> That seems like it should be a solved problem by now
18:47 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: they still don't allow "he's stupid" as a reasonable self-defense in murder trials
18:47 < Sousapro> Stoob: do you have an Airhawk or something for your arse?
18:47 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: some day.
18:47 < Stoob> and I've never ridden with boards and I've done 1000miles in a day, my boots are stiff enough that it doesnt matter i think :P
18:47 < hxcsp> does anybody use Sierra Wireless LTE devices?
18:47 < asimon> So if I murder layer-eight I'll get convicted is what you're saying
18:47 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: but then you'd have to keep restocking the help desk with napalm canisters so nvm
18:47 < Stoob> nah no airhawk, I did just buy a new stock seat though (old one had a tear in it)
18:48 < Sousapro> Stoob: yeah as long as the soles are stiff, you're good
18:48 < Sousapro> Stoob: as long as the seat is in good shape, this should be a blast
18:48 < Sousapro> makes me want to call out for the rest of the week and just start driving
18:48 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: not true (restocking)
18:49 <@JollyRgrs> see, when helpdesk escalates, the napalm would be used on them
18:49 < admiralspark> GUTEN MORGEN GENTS
18:49 < Sousapro> naah, we'd need like 8oz for every gallon that they'd need
18:49 < Sousapro> admiralspark: GUTEN MORGEN
18:49 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: if they are ded... how will they use the napalm?
18:49 < admiralspark> What's good Sousapro
18:50 < Sousapro> admiralspark: Stoob is about to drive a ton of miles on his bike and i'm jealous AF
18:50 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: but then the calls roll over to you
18:50 < admiralspark> Anybody else monitor Windows Server 2016 v1607 via snmp? Have a bug where when the windows update screen pops up, the SNMP service stops passing traffic
18:50 < Sousapro> JollyRgrs: are you sure you want to field the password reset calls?
18:50 < admiralspark> hahahah
18:50 < admiralspark> Sousapro: oh man me too
18:50 < admiralspark> Stoob: where you going?
18:50 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: i never said i'd be giving out my number to the normies
18:51 < admiralspark> I'm a bit restricted w/ my car unfortunately, gravel roads don't work well with it
18:51 < Sousapro> actual footage of JollyRgrs after napalming the helpdesk: https://media.giphy.com/media/KiPeUaBBlvKyk/giphy.gif
18:51 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  IMAGE/GIF Document, 1,794,112 bytes
18:51 < Sousapro> PASSWORDS
18:52 < Sousapro> TONER
18:52 < Sousapro> nrgh
19:06 < Stoob> admiralspark: goin from san diego to iowa
19:06 < Stoob> but i just realized i broke rule #1
19:06 < Stoob> I forgot my booze
19:07 < Sousapro> Gas stations are a thing
19:08 <@cryptic1> oh god who invited AnonymooseReddtr
19:08 <@cryptic1> AnonymooseReddtr, still hung over?
19:09 < JollyRoger`> Avast! Ye can't be sailin' the high seas without rum, lads!
19:09 <+AnonymooseReddtr> lol cryptic1
19:09 <+AnonymooseReddtr> no
19:09 < JollyRoger`> Turn the ship around, Stoob! Turn the ship around!
19:10 <@cryptic1> oh no its the other JollyRoger`
19:10 <@cryptic1> too many jollys
19:10 < JollyRoger`> Aye!
19:10 <@cryptic1> i should ban them all!
19:10 < JollyRoger`> Nooooooo!
19:11 < asimon> `bofh
19:11 <+layer-eight> BOFH Me no internet, only janitor, me just wax floors.
19:14 < alazare619> anyone ever feel like nothing they do is right in the eyes of the upper management
19:14 < alazare619> manager says dont do something you inform others they say you are being rude etc
19:14 < alazare619> get repremanded
19:15 < alazare619> this has been ongoing etc never have i worked somewhere where people always think i'm being rude
19:15 < sadbox> alazare619: I once had a manager that just straight up hated me
19:15 < sadbox> alazare619: I would have perf reviews and write down what they said
19:15 < alazare619> this is just my peers everyone else here says i'm quick and always more then helpful
19:15 < sadbox> one review "you don't talk enough, you need to offer suggestions in meetings, etc"
19:15 < alazare619> sadbox: thing is i dont think its the manager
19:16 < sadbox> next review "You need to be quiet in meetings and listen to the senior people"
19:16 < sadbox> "You need to seek out projects and not just do the work assigned to you"
19:16 < sadbox> "You need to just do the work assigned to you, stop trying to impress people"
19:16 < sadbox> fun couple of years
19:17 < Sousapro> >Couple of years
19:18 < Sousapro> You only live once
19:18 < Sousapro> I hope anyone working at a place like that is able to get out soon
19:18 < asimon> s/at a place like that/
19:18 < alazare619> Sousapro: yea i think i'm going to really start searching hard
19:19 < Sousapro> Hospital IT should be pretty easy to pick up again elsewhere
19:20 < alazare619> Sousapro: yea i don't wana do hospital it anymore
19:20 < Sousapro> I don't blame you
19:20 < alazare619> ive been at a few now
19:20 < alazare619> every single place has been complete masochist style
19:20 < alazare619> meglomaniac dr's and upper management
19:20 < Sousapro> MIS is terrible. No one actually knows how to use a computer except help desk and admin teams
19:21 < alazare619> so much politics its unreal...
19:21 < sadbox> Sousapro: FWIW I have a great job now
19:21 < Sousapro> Yeah
19:21 < sadbox> so that's fun
19:21 < Sousapro> Awesome
19:25 < Spr1ng> sadbox: did you ever show them the previous reviews when they stated that?
19:25 < Spr1ng> Gotta stand up for yourself!
19:25 < sadbox> Spr1ng: I did
19:26 < Spr1ng> And what did they say?
19:26 < sadbox> either 1. no written stuff, in which case they would deny, or 2. they would tell me to stop being a smart aleck
19:26 < Spr1ng> I bet there's a lot more nuance to it, it's hard to relay EXACTLY what happened on IRC.
19:27 < sadbox> I mean, I started to just repeat shit back to them
19:27 < vavkamil> just writing article about web browsers released in 2009
19:27 < sadbox> they would tell me "Ok talk more in meetings", I would respond, "ok, I'll talk more in meeting" and they would tell me that wasn't right
19:27 < vavkamil> IE, chrome, mozilla and opera all released blog posts about new features, security fixes, what has been implemented and how it works
19:27 < vavkamil> but apple just announced that safari is world's fastest and most innovative browser without many details lol
19:28 < Spr1ng> "A Treatise of Browsers Circa 2009" - sounds like absolutely riveting material vavkamil.
19:28 < sadbox> Spr1ng: Hard to convey over IRC yeah, but tl;dr person really liked to choose favorites
19:28 < onenerdyguy> stupid Windows Svr 2016
19:29 < onenerdyguy> these updates are taking FOREVER
19:29 < sadbox> we had an alcoholic, would show up hours late, drunk
19:29 < sadbox> do little/no work
19:29 < sadbox> but he was "a real sharp kid"
19:29 < Spr1ng> onenerdyguy: welcome to the club
19:29 < Spr1ng> sadbox: ugh I hate that
19:29 < onenerdyguy> Spr1ng, bossman has said we're not extending the window. but we haven't hit target in like..2 weeks
19:29 < Spr1ng> Sorry
19:29 < JollyRoger`> Yuck!
19:29 < sadbox> anyways I'm an SRE for one of the top 5 largest websites in the world now
19:29 < sadbox> so SUCK IT OLD MANAGER
19:30 < Spr1ng> What's an SRE?
19:30 < sadbox> Spr1ng: site reliability engineer
19:30 < corn266> sadbox, how do you get a job at pornhub
19:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> corn266.. pornhub is canadian
19:30 < sadbox> corn266: tbh porn sites are not that big
19:30 < corn266> s/do/did
19:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> based in montreal
19:30 <+layer-eight> [SED corn266] sadbox, how did you get a job at pornhub
19:30 <+AnonymooseReddtr> so is brazzers lol
19:31 < vavkamil> Spr1ng, it's basically timeline of various security mitigations implemented
19:31 < Spr1ng> CAN'T WAIT.
19:32 < felda> Are you guys going to join the ban lottery?
19:33 < felda> Reddit Admins gave permission to /r/ThanosDidNothingWrong to ban half of its users which is now close to 200,000 lmao
19:33 < vavkamil> who is thanos
19:33 < corn266> felda, i've already joined
19:34 < estranger> lol banned from reddit? thought it was jsut the sub but I didnt really read up
19:34 < felda> estranger no not reddit just that one specific subreddit
19:35 < vavkamil> lol he looks kinda like bruce willis
19:36 < onenerdyguy> felda, that pleases me
19:36 < JollyRgrs> felda: why do they need permission?
19:36 < JollyRgrs> it's their subreddit, right?
19:36 < JollyRgrs> who cares if they ban 2 or 2mil
19:37 < felda> JollyRgrs because banning 100,000 users during a holiday is a bad idea
19:37 < JollyRgrs> felda: why?
19:37 <@cryptic1> who cares
19:37 < JollyRgrs> it's their subreddit
19:37 < felda> JollyRgrs reddit admins are writing him a script to randomly ban 100K people lol
19:37 <@cryptic1> should probably do that with r/sysadmin
19:37 < JollyRgrs> if that doesn't exist anymore, who cares?
19:37 <@cryptic1> in fact i will bring it up
19:37 < felda> because I'm sure that volume of bans isn't healthy
19:37 < JollyRgrs> felda: oh, so he needed their help to do it
19:37 < Spr1ng> ...but just on THAT subreddit
19:37 < JollyRgrs> gotcha
19:37 <@cryptic1> will start with feldas account
19:37 < JollyRoger`> Oh my god.
19:38 < JollyRgrs> JollyRoger`: cryptic1 cannot keep us two straight (he's an idiot, for sure). but he won't ask you to come up with a new name
19:38 < felda> cryptic1 is basically just Jordan Peterson
19:38 <@cryptic1> HAHAHA
19:38 <@cryptic1> no i just like trolling the 2 of you about it
19:38 < JollyRgrs> i personally don't care, i do't get you mixed up with me, but his brain has been frozne too many times
19:38 <@cryptic1> which jolly is the real jolly?
19:38 <@cryptic1> felda ^ please answer this
19:39 < Spr1ng> What's wrong with Jordan Peterson?
19:39 < felda> obvious JollyRoger` is the real one.  It has that fancy french accent he is known for
19:39 < JollyRgrs> who even is jordan peterson?
19:39 <@cryptic1> hrmm I thought so too
19:40 < JollyRgrs> s/fancy/outrageous
19:40 <+layer-eight> [SED JollyRgrs/felda] obvious JollyRoger` is the real one.  It has that outrageous french accent he is known for
19:40 < Spr1ng> .wiki jordan peterson
19:40 < JollyRoger`> Hey JollyRgrs , no prob I'll just have to try to remind him :(.
19:40 < JollyRgrs> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35IG66H7vLE
19:40 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  YouTube → Monty python holy grail i'm french outrageous accent → ⚘ 16,055 ↑ 67 ↓ 0 ✍ 2
19:40 < felda> How do you guys not know who Jordan Peterson is?
19:40 < JollyRgrs> but cryptic1 wouldn't get that joke... b/c he doesn't know the goodness of monty python
19:41 <@cryptic1> meh
19:41 < Spr1ng> Well I know who he is.
19:41 < JollyRgrs> cryptic1: also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U
19:41 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  YouTube → Biggus Dickus - Monthy Python, Life of Brian. → ⚘ 3,287,336 ↑ 42,296 ↓ 792 ✍ 1,684
19:41 < felda> thank you Spr1ng
19:41 < Spr1ng> Everyone who doesn't are just plebs.
19:41 <@cryptic1> everyone knows biggus dickus
19:42 < JollyRgrs> that's monty python human
19:42 < JollyRgrs> humor even
19:43 < Spr1ng> Dammit I've just been staring at this IRC window for like 3 mins flat.  Time to get back to work. :|  ffs me
19:45 < JollyRgrs> i'm gonna take this cue as time for me to go home
19:45 <@cryptic1> Spr1ng, get back to work
19:45 <@cryptic1> JollyRgrs, get back to work
19:45 <@cryptic1> felda, back to work
19:46 < JollyRgrs> cryptic1: i'm going home
19:46 <@cryptic1> JollyRoger`, back to work
19:46 < felda> NEIN
19:46 < felda> You can't stop me
19:46 <@cryptic1> estranger, back to work
19:46 <@cryptic1> corn266, back to work
19:46 <@cryptic1> vavkamil, back to work
19:46 < estranger> its lunchtime you dick, cryptic1
19:46 < cryptic1`> oh hohohoh
19:46 < cryptic1`> look at me
19:46 < JollyRoger`> Aye cap'n!
19:46 < cryptic1`> I am very french
19:46 <@cryptic1> AnonymooseReddtr, back to work
19:46 < cryptic1`> wi wi
19:46 < estranger> wife mad me lunch today too....... wondering if I need to be worried
19:46 < cryptic1`> so french
19:46 < cryptic1`> get me a baget
19:46  * JollyRoger` returns to manning the pumps.
19:47 < alazare619> apparently people take me being quiet and working for being rude...
19:47 < corn266> cryptic1, I'm helping our devs verify the systems are configured properly
19:47 <@cryptic1> alazare619, rude confirmed
19:47 < estranger> alazare619, 90% of communication is non verbal or some such shit
19:47 < JollyRgrs> you could change to crypticl ...and make sure to pronounce it crypt-tickle
19:47 <@cryptic1> corn266, lies thats the old compiling excuse
19:47 < estranger> sometimes saying nothing... says everything
19:48 <@cryptic1> JollyRgrs, LOL
19:48 < hxcsp> im going to pronounce it like that from now on JollyRgrs
19:48 < hxcsp> its done
19:48 < JollyRgrs> estranger: yeah, like when she's got her mouth full giving a BJ :P
19:48 < CrypticJuan> no its definetly Cryptic Juan
19:48 < JollyRgrs> CrypticJuanita
19:50 < JollyRoger`> cryptic1: would it help any if I spoke entirely in Pirate? :P
19:50 < sideup66> Etf
19:50 < sideup66> What
19:51 < MadCamel> Matie
19:51 < MadCamel> Matey? What's proper pirate spellng?
19:51 < JollyRoger`> That way lads, every day be talk like a pirate day, arr!
19:51 < JollyRoger`> Matey, with a y
19:51 < ekaj> reee
19:52 < sideup66> Pfsenss
19:52 < sideup66> Pfzenze
19:52 < sideup66> Pfsense
19:52 <@cryptic1> that might help
19:52 <@cryptic1> it might help if everyone did that except for JollyRgrs
19:53 < JollyRoger`> Arr! I gunna be talkin' like a scurvy sea dog from this day forward, cap'n!
19:53 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: you're ok with this?
19:53 < Hatter> he's making a mockery of you
19:53 < JollyRoger`> Shiver me timbers, me autocorrect be fightin' me!
19:54 <@cryptic1> arrrr JollyRgrs has gone silent as a seahorse
19:55 < felda> heuheueheuheuehuehe
19:55 < felda> code_man65 is gone
19:55 < felda> all of you are not safe
19:55 < sideup66> felda: that k ye
19:55 < sideup66> For making the best site ever
19:56 < sideup66> Felda.io is like taking a shit
19:56 < sideup66> Looking in the toilet
19:56 < sideup66> And being proud of it
19:56 < Hatter> stop this analogy at once
19:56 < sideup66> 10/10
19:56 <@cryptic1> arrrrrr
19:56 < sideup66> felda: when we get memes again soon
19:57 <@cryptic1> !pirate donger
19:57 < felda> felda.io is now home grown
19:57 < sideup66> When do we get memes from felda.io again
19:57 <@cryptic1> felda ur script, she be a broken
19:57 < felda> whenever I figure out HTML, CSS, and PHP
19:57 < sideup66> But
19:57 < felda> cryptic1 this is a new beginning
19:57 < sideup66> So felda
19:57 < Bru-> huhu
19:57 < sideup66> Is this a Dawn of a new era for pfsense
19:58 < sideup66> It had to die to be reborn?
19:58 < felda> yes
19:59 < sideup66> What made it resurrect
19:59 < JollyRoger`> 'Tis time to return to me duties, lads!
20:00  * JollyRoger` gets back to work.
20:00 <+giant_it_burrit> has anyone seen alazaire
20:00 < sideup66> felda: I am proud of your poop
20:04 < Sousapro> felda: that's the best notepad website ever
20:04 < abakedapplepie> he was here a few hours ago giant_it_burrit
20:05 < felda> thanks
20:05 < Hatter>  I thought you made it with Hotdog Pro
20:09 < Hatter> I really silenced the room with that remark
20:09 < Hatter> oh shit I called it a room
20:10 < Hatter> but it was used in a common saying, acceptable
20:10 < corn266> "Thanks for trying to install pandas, but we stopped supporting python3.4 and don't intend to restrict what version pip3 tries to install"
20:13 < asimon> Can't you specify a specific version with pip?
20:13 < asimon> e.g. >>pip3 install pandas=0.20
20:21 < admiralspark> yknow
20:21 < admiralspark> for all the awesome Python is
20:21 < admiralspark> it bugs the shit out of me that the datetime library can't handle finding the previous month if the current month is January
20:22 < admiralspark> so I have to build a separate lib just to get the starting and ending dates of the past month
20:23 < abakedapplepie> something tells me someone has already done that
20:23 < abakedapplepie> somewhere
20:23 < asimon> ? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9724906/python-date-of-the-previous-month
20:23 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  python date of the previous month - Stack Overflow
20:23 < admiralspark> Oh yeah, stackoverflow is filled with the question, but nobody accounts for - dt.timedelta(days=1) when month = 1
20:24 < asimon> now i'm curious hold on
20:24 < admiralspark> hmm wait
20:24 < asimon> I feel like that's so basic that something is missing
20:25 < admiralspark> that thread was my main segue into this.
20:25 < corn266> I'll try that asimon ty
20:28 < asimon> Yeah I had no issue taking a datetime.date object in january, subtracting a 30day timedelta, and coming out with a december date
20:29 < asimon> If you're still struggling post a pastebin and I'd be happy to take a look
20:30  * asimon doesn't feel like working today
20:30 < ebol4> admiralspark: python handles that fine...?
20:31 < corn266> asimon, it was pip install pandas==0.20
20:31 < asimon> ! corn266
20:31 < asimon> +1
20:32 < asimon> double equals is what'll getcha
20:32 < seven-eleven> hi
20:32 < ebol4> henlo
20:33 < ebol4> h-hewwo
20:34 < ebol4> HEWWO
20:35  * felda notices your bulgy wulgy
20:35 < seven-eleven> when you want to install a software and configure a different DNS at a few hosts in a company's network at how many hosts does it make sense to setup something like ansible to install the packages compared to install them manually?
20:35 < felda> OwO
20:36 < ebol4> i'd just have ansible or something ready to go, it's just nice to have
20:36 < ebol4> assuming you've got more than 2 hosts
20:37 < seven-eleven> yeah, might be just 5 hosts or maybe 20 or more
20:38 < admiralspark> asimon: must be my syntax was bad
20:38 < seven-eleven> also I wonder, do companies decline adminstrating tools installed on their hosts? if they want me to setup a backup solution to their network I need admin rights yes, but if they allow me to install something like ansible I don't know  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
20:38 < asimon> +1 admiralspark
20:39 < ebol4> seven-eleven: ansible is nice because you don't have to install anything on the hosts, it just uses SSH
20:39 < ebol4> and python i guess
20:39 < admiralspark> seven-eleven: Are you configuring dns via /etc/hosts or something?
20:39 < admiralspark> you'd still need an admin account to use Ansible though
20:39 < seven-eleven> ebol4, on windows hosts you need to setup WinRm (something like ssh for windows), so not sure if they allow me this
20:40 < ebol4> oh right
20:40 < seven-eleven> admiralspark, nah with bind9, so I have to configure the DNS server for each client to use my DNS
20:40 < admiralspark> seven-eleven: it depends on company policy. For example, I block WinRM requests from workstations outside of an administrative group
20:40 < admiralspark> oh
20:40 < admiralspark> uhh
20:41 < admiralspark> I can't think of a situation where a client would let a vendor in to point their AD DNS to a specific vendor's upstream
20:41 < admiralspark> unless you're an MSP?
20:41 < admiralspark> in whcih case you could template it
20:41 < admiralspark> I found Ansible awesome for making *changes* or cleaning up someone else's changes
20:41 < ebol4> sounds weird to have AD but still use BIND
20:41 < seven-eleven> if they have an own DNS server, they could add my backup-server IP and offsite storage server to their DNS server, but if they don't use FQDNs in their intranet at all I'd have to setup a DNS myself and configure it at each client
20:42 < abakedapplepie> just maintain a convoluted system of  startup batch files and hosts files
20:42 < abakedapplepie> easy
20:44 < seven-eleven> ok, i first try to add my two backup servers to their windows DNS, if they can't do that I provide hosts to all windows clients
20:44 < sideup66> felda:
20:44 < sideup66> Talk about cats
20:44 < sideup66> On felda.io
20:44 < seven-eleven> the hosts file won't big hard to maintain, it's just two IPs they need to know about
20:45 < seven-eleven> and my backup server would use their DNS, so it knows all clients
20:45 < seven-eleven> admiralspark, "it depends on company policy. For example, I block WinRM requests from workstations outside of an administrative group" hmm, so what would a vendor do if he wants to install something to more than 30 hosts, do it manually? :)
20:46 < seven-eleven> or can he work together with you to get it done, so he provides the bats/exe and you distribute it?
20:52 < onenerdyguy> admiralspark, you ever have luck getting Ansible to manage 2 Domains from a single console? i.e. testa.com and testb.com ?
20:52 < Sousapro> sideup66: every kind of cat
20:52 < m4221> plop: hey
20:52 < m4221> Sousapro: you suck
20:53 < Sousapro> ++
20:53 < seven-eleven> onenerdyguy, why shouldn't that work?
20:53 < onenerdyguy> seven-eleven, honestly cant say, just tried it for the first time today with windows clients.
20:53 < onenerdyguy> seven-eleven, i'm assuming it's Kerberos
20:58 < seven-eleven> im going to try windows with ansible this week too, used it only with linux so far
20:58 < sideup66> Yes!sou
20:58 < sideup66> Sousapro:
20:58 < onenerdyguy> seven-eleven, it works great on the single domain so far
20:58 < onenerdyguy> seven-eleven, we use Vault to encrypt the Kerberos creds
20:59  * m4221 tases sideup66, onenerdyguy and seven-eleven 
20:59 < onenerdyguy> m4221, ?
20:59 < m4221> onenerdyguy: shut up
20:59 < onenerdyguy> you shutup
20:59  * m4221 tases onenerdyguy 
21:00  * m4221 throws onenerdyguy in the paddy wagon
21:00 < onenerdyguy> hey, i'm Irish, that's RACIST
21:00  * m4221 tases onenerdyguy 
21:00 < m4221> onenerdyguy: I am irish too so fuck you
21:00 < m4221> Haha
21:00 < onenerdyguy> damn
21:01 < sideup66> Don't taze me bro!
21:01 < m4221> onenerdyguy: my id10t error last week was someone not closing the toner hood completel6
21:01 < m4221> Completely
21:01 < onenerdyguy> i don't touch printers.
21:01 < onenerdyguy> i refuse.
21:02  * m4221 tatoos the Windows printer test page on onenerdyguy 
21:02 < m4221> What sucks is finding printers that are still pcl5 compliant
21:03 < m4221> onenerdyguy: we have a legact app requiring that
21:03 < onenerdyguy> keep an old HP 4250 around
21:03 < onenerdyguy> it'll outlast the heat death of the universe
21:03 < m4221> onenerdyguy: we killed our 20 4200s
21:04 < onenerdyguy> well that was dumb
21:04 < asimon> "asperity" is a common enough word, right?
21:04 < m4221> onenerdyguy: tell that to the person running 10000 pages a month on it
21:04 < onenerdyguy> well that person should only print to a double sided MFP copier
21:05 < asimon> As in I don't need to point out an outcropping on a diagram to define it
21:05 < onenerdyguy> those are all political issues, not anything else
21:05 < gnupluslinux> Ricoh has a few pcl5's hanging around still
21:06 < gnupluslinux> asimon i don't know what asperity off the top of my mead
21:06 < gnupluslinux> Head
21:06 < asimon> -1 gnupluslinux
21:07 < asimon> but ty maybe I actually do need to define it
21:07 < gnupluslinux> how do you kill that which has no life
21:08 < gnupluslinux> Looks like a material science term
21:08 < asimon> Yeah pretty close. Talking about cracks in concrete nuclear fuel storage canisters
21:09 < gnupluslinux> Might be an expected knowledge term depending on context
21:09 < gnupluslinux> Is it a presentation to nuclear industry?
21:09 < asimon> The context is pretty darn clear in my eyes lol
21:09 < gnupluslinux> Or concrete
21:09 < asimon> A consequence study for the nuclear industry, yeah
21:10 < asimon> brb
21:11 < gnupluslinux> Oh a study. Will reporters be reading it? If so just include the dictionary with your report
21:14 < admiralspark> asimon: thanks for earlier, idk why it didn't work before, but doing a timedelta(days=28) does what I need
21:24 < asimon> gnupluslinux: No its gonna be like 20 people who read this report ever, and they're all pretty technical. Here's the context of the term usage https://imgur.com/a/Dh5w6Fg
21:24 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  IMGUR Album → a few seconds ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
21:25 < asimon> admiralspark: No problem, happy to help! The datetime library definitely takes some getting used to since its structured a lil weird
21:25 < rootsudo> Did you know churches use recruiters too
21:25 < asimon> hey someone's gotta set up that megachurch super-AV system
21:25 < Alternity> never again
21:26 < asimon> and it's not gonna be Reverend Richard Wayne Gary Wayne
21:26 < gnupluslinux> Yeah id skip def then. Would imagine industry technicals
21:26 < Alternity> i had to deal with church AV and IT when i worked for a MSP
21:26 < Alternity> cheapest mofo's
21:26 < rootsudo> Alternity lol
21:26 < rootsudo> I just had the most weirdest email from a recruiter
21:26 < gnupluslinux> Alternity but its for the chuuuuurch
21:26 < L3gacy> just paid my rent and utilities.  Now I am broke for the month :P
21:26 < rootsudo> L3gacy doing it wrong
21:26 < Alternity> if i wasn't already athiest doing IT work for them would have made me one
21:26 < gnupluslinux> As they roll around in their bentleys spreading GREY POUPON
21:26 < rootsudo> L3gacy This is my secret to living in a nice pad: Find nice condo, airbnb it, have strangers pay your rent
21:26 < L3gacy> Cant be helped.  Unemployed.  Disability.  Food stamps
21:27 < estranger> has anyone actually played with this yet? Can't get it to work in my test setup (just using mount points on each node)  https://kubernetes.io/blog/2018/04/13/local-persistent-volumes-beta/
21:27 <+layer-eight> * estranger →  Local Persistent Volumes for Kubernetes Goes Beta - Kubernetes
21:27 < Alternity> i wish i had a duplex to air bnb :/
21:27 < Alternity> i 'd make a killing
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> Alternity: where
21:28 < Alternity> popular tourist town
21:28 <+giant_it_burrit> like?
21:28 < Alternity> Asheville, NC
21:30 < rootsudo> I can't believe OSX takes 30GB
21:30 < rootsudo> What the fuck, even Windows 10 doesn't take 10gb
21:30 < JollyRgrs> it
21:30 < JollyRgrs> iTunes
21:30 < JollyRgrs> iThis
21:30 < JollyRgrs> iThat
21:30 < JollyRgrs> iDrinkYourMilkshake
21:30 < xamithan> windows 10 doesn't take 10gb?  tell that to the updates folder
21:30 < gnupluslinux> LA county is rolli g out restrictions on air bnb
21:31 < gnupluslinux> Wondering how long till it rolls out to oc
21:32 < JollyRgrs> anyone here git? i have a basic question
21:33 < _KaszpiR_> just ask
21:33 < JollyRgrs> https://help.github.com/articles/changing-author-info/
21:33 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  Changing author info - User Documentation
21:33 < gnupluslinux> Lol changing author history
21:33 < JollyRgrs> if i'm not doing that from VS Code and trying to do it from a new user account...
21:34 < gnupluslinux> Git config
21:34 < JollyRgrs> how do i use git to connect to create a new branch as a backup?
21:34 < gnupluslinux> Git checkout $branch
21:34 < gnupluslinux> Git pull
21:35 < gnupluslinux> Git checkout $newbranch
21:35 < gnupluslinux> Iirc
21:35 < JollyRgrs> k
21:35 < gnupluslinux> I would branch to backup though but thats me
21:35 < JollyRgrs> hmm... seems like my PW isn't working :(
21:35 < corn266> you sure it's not your ssh key?
21:35 < JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: that's what i said i wnated to do, create a backup branch?
21:35 < JollyRgrs> corn266: yeah b/c i'm not using ssh key on it right now
21:35 < corn266> oh
21:35 < asimon> s/(?<=git ).*/lost
21:36 < JollyRgrs> do i need to create a personal access token first?
21:36 < corn266> https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/using-branches
21:36 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  Git Branch | Atlassian Git Tutorial
21:36 < gnupluslinux> Did you clone via "git clone https://whatever" or "git clone user:repo"?
21:37 < asimon> oh come on layer-eight
21:37 < asimon> That was a really good one
21:37 < JollyRgrs> that was it, i needed to make an access topen
21:37 < asimon> don't be a shitty ass bot on me now
21:39 < gnupluslinux> Probably git branch now that i think about to switch branches. Havent had to switch in awhile
21:39 < gnupluslinux> Ass-bot
21:41 < corn266> s/^Git.*/lost
21:41 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs mistype. Meant that i wouldnt branch to make a backup
21:41 < JollyRgrs> oh?
21:41 < gnupluslinux> But do you
21:41 < JollyRgrs> so i am new to git
21:41 < corn266> wtf kind of ass backwards regex state machine is this?
21:41 < JollyRgrs> so tell me what i do
21:41 < gnupluslinux> You do you.
21:42 < asimon> corn266: That's what I'm saying!
21:42 < aName> Total long shot but I'm out of ideas on where to look - I need a Luxim LEP 'pill' - anyone know where to source one?
21:42 < JollyRgrs> i didnt' change user.name/user.email on my work computer, and it defaulted to my domain's UPN
21:42 < JollyRgrs> so i need to change that in my commits
21:42 < asimon> I even took the time to carve out a very specific lookbehind
21:43 < aName> The tech never became popular because of the high cost of the fixtures, but I'm being gifted a fixture if I can find a bulb
21:44 < aName> (And the manufacturer's website is like APACHE IS COOL HERE'S A TEST PAGE)
21:45 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs you can always roll back to a previous commit so i never branched to back up. Only branched for work/dev/features/hotfix/etc.
21:45 < gnupluslinux> Where's rkeene, hes pretty good with git iirc
21:45 < JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: i'm messing with the commits in the history
21:45 < aName> I guess they were common with high-speed camera users though
21:46 < aName> (Since you can't get anything better approximating a point source)
21:47 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs think git filter branch might be what you're looking for?
21:47 < scwizard> I FIGURED IT OUT
21:47 < scwizard> here's how I get the latest docker binary
21:48 < gnupluslinux> Dont they give you a sketchy script to curl and pipe to bash for that scwizard ;)
21:49 < corn266> good god the hair cut place downstairs sounds like a fucking daycare
21:50 < JollyRgrs> woo! ok, i got it done :)
21:50 < corn266> woo!
21:50 < JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: yeah, the script does just that anyways
21:50 < estranger> oh sweet im an idiot.. got my k8s thing working
21:50 < scwizard> gnupluslinux: fuck thattttttttttttt
21:50 < Sousapro> I just gotta ask
21:50 < Sousapro> WTF is up with Atlassian Jira and SSL certs?
21:50 < gnupluslinux> estranger it is known
21:51 < corn266> https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/8vmgux/osxdummy_new_mac_malware_targets_the/e1okw0t
21:51 < estranger> lol
21:51 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  ⚓  https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/8vmgux/osxdummy_new_mac_malware_targets_the/e1okw0t/ → OSX.Dummy - new Mac malware targets the cryptocurrency community : netsec
21:51 < Sousapro> I feel like flipper jumping through flaming hoops at marineland or something
21:51 < JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: but i don't want a TCL script i have to write to prompt me with help for git :P
21:51 < JollyRgrs> Sousapro: and how many ppl here even know what you are talking about
21:51 < JollyRgrs> shoulda said seaworld
21:52 < aName> Sousapro: Everyone looooooooves. marineland!
21:52 < scwizard> damn almost pasted our dockerhub password in an exited rush to show you people my solution
21:52 < asimon> Wait do it
21:52 < asimon> I wanna see
21:52 < aName> Sousapro: .... I've never actually been there, the closest one is in Ontario
21:52 < gnupluslinux> Dooo it
21:53 < aName> Sousapro: I did go to seaworld. hated it, but I was being a brat
21:53 < aName> I wanted to go on rollercoasters
21:53 < asimon> Pretty sure IRC blocks out all passwords
21:53 < Sousapro> aName: ironically they have several good coasters now
21:53 < asimon> Here's mine ***************************
21:53 < Sousapro> Hunter2
21:53 < Sousapro> crap
21:53 < Sousapro> my password is exposed
21:53 < asimon> ./ghost Sousapro Hunter2
21:53 < aName> Sousapro: What password?
21:54 < Hunter2> this one
21:54 < scwizard> asimon: here's the censored version https://paste.ofcode.org/4jn5iYMedAFu5urxzr7eGw
21:54 <+layer-eight> * scwizard →  Paste ofCode
21:54 < aName> ******* why did you change your name?
21:54 < estranger> ha
21:54 < Sousapro> testing the filters
21:54 < Sousapro> rkeene isn't here to assist
21:54 < Sousapro> so I have to hoist one for him
21:54 < scwizard> hmm still doesn't work
21:54 < asimon> Lol hunter2 has been pwned 16,092 times
21:54 < aName> Sousapro: Oh, ok
21:55 < asimon> s/hunter2/\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
21:55 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon] Lol \*\*\*\*\*\*\* has been pwned 16,092 times
21:55 < aName> lol I remember I had a text replacement macro I'd use to respond to hookup ads... accidentally triggered it in an IRC channel
21:55 < asimon> you fuckin
21:55 < aName> And then everyone knew I was looking for kinky sex lol
21:55 < Sousapro> s/hunter2/Hunterkll
21:56 < asimon> I guess I don't need the escape character in the replacement string do I
21:56 < asimon> s/hunter2/*******
21:56 < Sousapro> handegg2018
21:56 < asimon> unless layer-eight can't even handle simple instructions
21:56 < Sousapro> wait, this isn't keepass
21:56 < asimon> -5 layer-eight
21:59 < asimon> Wait the s// can do regex right?
21:59 < asimon> s/re..x/test
22:00 < JollyRgrs> limited, iirc
22:00 < asimon> Oh interesting
22:00 < corn266> `TIL
22:00 <+layer-eight> TIL  that tenacious d's first appearance in a movie was in bio dome
22:00 < asimon> Maybe my expectations were too high
22:01 < gnupluslinux> `seen rkeene
22:01 <+layer-eight> I need someone to look for gnupluslinux
22:01 < corn266> s/we/ar
22:01 <+layer-eight> [SED corn266/asimon] Maybe my expectations arre too high
22:01 < vavkamil> can be informational RFC turned into standard?
22:01 < corn266> `help
22:01 <+layer-eight> corn266 I have messaged you my instructions. Be gentle.
22:01 < gnupluslinux> Like rfxc 1149?
22:02 < asimon> Aight I'm gone
22:02 < asimon> s/asimon/out
22:02 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon/scwizard] out: here's the censored version https://paste.ofcode.org/4jn5iYMedAFu5urxzr7eGw
22:02 < asimon> I didn't mean literally you fuck
22:02 < asimon> have a good evening yall
22:05 < aName> layer-eight: I think he was also in uh... Enemy Of The State?
22:05 < aName> I want to say he played the character of HACKER MAN somewhere
22:17 < Hatter> aName: who
22:18 < aName> Hatter: Jack Black
22:18 < Hatter> I don't remember him in that
22:18 < aName> Hatter: You're thinking of Kung Fury?
22:18 < aName> I'm just thinking of that archetype
22:18 < Hatter> but I remember him in that bruce willis movie where he got his arm blown off
22:19 < Hatter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyXdB_AYiDs
22:19 <+layer-eight> * Hatter →  YouTube → The Jackal (5/10) Movie CLIP - Target Practice (1997) HD → ⚘ 477,474 ↑ 1,005 ↓ 92 ✍ 624
22:19 < vavkamil> what a marketing for drone https://aerixdrones.com/blogs/news/news-did-a-drone-help-a-notorious-french-gangster-escape-from-prison
22:19 <+layer-eight> * vavkamil →  NEWS: Did a drone help a notorious French gangster escape from prison? - Aerix Drones
22:27 < JudeauChop> \quit
22:30 < MikeSpears> anyone wanna buy a thinkpad T440s?
22:30 < MikeSpears> i5/8gb ram/256gb SSD
22:30 < MikeSpears> $160 + $30 shipping
22:30 < aName> Looks like yes, he was in Enemy Of The State but that was 98 not 96
22:36 <@systemdee> ill give you about tree fiddy MikeSpears
22:37 < AnimalFarmPig> MikeSpears: refresh my memory, does the T440 have the good keyboard or the cancer keyboard?
22:37 < AnimalFarmPig> s/cancer/new
22:37 <+layer-eight> [SED AnimalFarmPig] MikeSpears: refresh my memory, does the T440 have the good keyboard or the new keyboard?
22:37 < MikeSpears> I like it
22:37 < MikeSpears> lol
22:37 < xamithan> I'd buy if I didn't already have a T430 with better specs
22:38 < MikeSpears> systemdee: I'm being serious here
22:38 < MikeSpears> lol
22:38 < AnimalFarmPig> ahhhhh... shit... new keyboard
22:38 < AnimalFarmPig> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/File:T440p03.jpg
22:38 <+layer-eight> * AnimalFarmPig →  File:T440p03.jpg - ThinkWiki
22:38 < MikeSpears> its honestly not bad at all tbh
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> I have a T560, hate it
22:39 < MikeSpears> I've used both the T60 and the newer stuff
22:39 < xamithan> I just can't get around the damn ctrl key being moved
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> the T560 replaced my W510
22:39 < xamithan> Why did lenovo have to do that
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> I thought I would get used to the new keyboard
22:39 < AnimalFarmPig> one year later, I still hate the new keyboard
22:39 <@systemdee> me too
22:42 < aName> Yeah, a bad keyboard on a laptop is a dealbreaker for me.
22:42 < aName> It's one of the reasons I tend to buy used
22:43 < aName> You can get a higher build quality with lower specs for the same money as something newer
22:43 < AnimalFarmPig> does anyone make a decent keyboard now? Dell or HP on their business line maybe?
22:43 < AnimalFarmPig> decent keyboard + pointing stick
22:44 <@systemdee> i have a 5580
22:44 <@systemdee> the keyboard is a trash heap
22:45 < AnimalFarmPig> I've got a Latitude E6440 on my desk at work. It's not too bad. Better than my T560 at home. A little squished, but that comes with the size of the laptop.
22:53 <+TuxedoJack> Give me my Precision M6500 any day
22:53 < wall4ss> should look into a t430.. can be found second hand for like $200 and can easily swap the screen, add a second HD, swap out the proc for a quad core, upgrade ram, even install an msata drive
22:54 < xamithan> What screen should you swap for ?  I thought I already had a quad core in my t430 ?
22:54 < wall4ss> I grabbed mine for $250 refurbed, and put in a 1600x900 HD screen from an alienware m14x and two spare SSD's I had laying around, then put in an i7 3610qm.. all second hand stuff. cost me like $500
22:54 < xamithan> Ooh it isn't quad it just has hyperthreading
22:54 < xamithan> I see
22:55 < xamithan> I already got a 1600x900 screen too
22:55 < wall4ss> it's 4 cores 8 threads
22:55 < wall4ss> https://ark.intel.com/products/64899/Intel-Core-i7-3610QM-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_30-GHz
22:55 < xamithan> Yeah,  I got the 3520m
22:55 <+layer-eight> * wall4ss →  Intel® Core™ i7-3610QM Processor (6M Cache, up to 3.30 GHz) Product Specifications
22:56 < abakedapplepie> my pbx is over its handset license count by 3 and it still isnt complaining, i think when i had support fix my license it broke the phone home
22:56 < wall4ss> If I were to buy a laptop right now though, it would be hard to pass up a msi gs65 lol.. so sleek. but this t430 is great for vm's and all kinds of shenanigans now
22:56 < abakedapplepie> lel
23:00 < wall4ss> I'd like to know how the maingear pulse 15's keyboard feels, supposedly it's mechanical
23:01 < abakedapplepie> wall4ss skip the 7430, buy a t71 kit xD
23:01 < abakedapplepie> t430*
23:01 < wall4ss> t71? or p71? :P
23:02 < abakedapplepie> some chinese shenzhen forum designed a new 6th gen intel motherboard for the t60/t61
23:03 < abakedapplepie> i cant even find the site to buy it anymore tho
23:03 < abakedapplepie> theres also one for the x60 laptop and the t430 laptop
23:03 < abakedapplepie> i dont know if those were ever finished though
23:03 < abakedapplepie> would love to resurrect my og t60
23:04 < abakedapplepie> last model to roll off the line with IBM OEM branding
23:04 < wall4ss> oh nice
23:04 < wall4ss> way better keyboard than my t430 lol
23:04 < abakedapplepie> mobo has a bad graphics chip :(
23:04 < abakedapplepie> altho i will say this, while my t60 lasted me 7 years
23:05 < abakedapplepie> my 2012 rMBP has lasted me just as long and shows 0 signs of slowing down
23:05 < abakedapplepie> the last year or so with the t60 were touch and go with random gfx bluescreens
23:05 < wall4ss> damn
23:06 < wall4ss> my t430's 1600x900 screen developed a dead pixel like 3 months in after i swapped it, probably the most disappointing thing about it
23:06 < abakedapplepie> you should see my rmbp
23:07 < abakedapplepie> thats the one thing about those screens, physical abuse lead to lots of dead pixels
23:07 < abakedapplepie> and theyre soooo tiny
23:07 < abakedapplepie> i shouldnt say bad pixels either, more like damaged
23:07 < wall4ss> haha exactly
23:07 < abakedapplepie> i carried that thing daily in my backpack
23:07 < wall4ss> it's not quite dead yet, it's more like this brown discoloration
23:07 < abakedapplepie> used at least twice daily, pulled in and out and thrown around
23:07 < abakedapplepie> honestly surprised its not worse
23:08 < abakedapplepie> you can see the spot on the screen where the keyboard keys have rubbed the anti glare coating
23:08 < abakedapplepie> i should have taken better care of it lol
23:08 < wall4ss> bahahah
23:08 < wall4ss> the bonus with carrying a thinkpad in boston is that if I ever have to, I can probably kill someone with it in self defense
23:09 < wall4ss> :D /s
23:09 < abakedapplepie> the best/worst part about my lapto... last year, apple ran out of replacement batteries and was doing new laptops for $200 if you had a failed battery
23:09 < abakedapplepie> i spent 6 months trying to kill my battery
23:09 < abakedapplepie> then the batteries came back in stock
23:09 < abakedapplepie> now my battery is actually dying
23:09 < abakedapplepie> D:
23:09 < wall4ss> lmao
23:09 < wall4ss> great timing
23:09 < abakedapplepie> yeah
23:09 < wall4ss> it's always that way
23:09 < abakedapplepie> if its a cold start, itll die at 60%
23:10 < abakedapplepie> if it warms up itll go down to like 20%
23:10 < abakedapplepie> battey capacity is at like 25% from factory
23:10 < abakedapplepie> once its warmed up, and if its at 100%, it will still last 2-2.5 hours
23:10 < abakedapplepie> so its not bad
23:11 < wall4ss> that highlights another great point about the t430... extended batteries
23:11 < squealingcode> Wow, nice, and that's the original battery?
23:11 < abakedapplepie> yeah original battery
23:11 < abakedapplepie> laptop purchased in december 2011 i believe
23:11 <+TuxedoJack> abakedapplepie: but it's still a fucking Mac
23:11 < abakedapplepie> i love my mac
23:11 < squealingcode> sweet. I had an elitebook about a year ago, which I bought in 2012. The battery would last about half an hour lol
23:11 <+TuxedoJack> Post Intel swap
23:11 < abakedapplepie> i would have babies with it
23:11 <+TuxedoJack> I love my Macs too, and they're all fucking PowerPC
23:11 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck that Intel shit
23:12 < abakedapplepie> i am so extremely happy with my macbook
23:12 < abakedapplepie> it lasted way longer than i expected
23:12 < squealingcode> sweet, what models do you have tuxedo? I have a few PPCs myself
23:12 < abakedapplepie> and it still performs fantastic
23:12 < abakedapplepie> TuxedoJack: i have a ton of ppc hardware
23:12 < abakedapplepie> Pros, imacs, and macbooks
23:12 < abakedapplepie> i also have the first intel pro
23:12 < abakedapplepie> and 2 of the first intel imacs
23:12 <+TuxedoJack> squealingcode: G22x Power Mac G4 (B&W), eMac, iMac G4, Bondi Blue iMac G3, Performa 467, LC III
23:12 < xamithan> Why you keep that junk around
23:13 < abakedapplepie> always thought id sell it
23:13 <+TuxedoJack> Got 2x Intel Mac Pro cheese graters just for the cases
23:13 < abakedapplepie> the intel mac pro i grabbed for the case
23:13 < abakedapplepie> but it sells for $200-300 still
23:13 <+TuxedoJack> Oh, and 17" a Powerbook G4
23:13 < wall4ss> ^
23:13 < wall4ss> I've always had a soft spot for those cases
23:13 <+TuxedoJack> abakedapplepie: goddamn right. The case looks gorgeous, the old shit inside them does NOT
23:13 < abakedapplepie> but, on the flipside
23:13 < squealingcode> wow, nice. I got 2x PM G4s B&W, Macintosh Classic 1.gen, iMac G3 and G4 + a Powerbook 12".
23:13 < abakedapplepie> even the inside of the case
23:13 < abakedapplepie> is gorgeous
23:14 < abakedapplepie> all toolless, all anodized aluminum
23:14 < abakedapplepie> no one was making cases that beautiful, not even lian li
23:14 <+TuxedoJack> abakedapplepie: yup. Find an ATX mod, and god damn, that sucker's beautiful
23:14 < abakedapplepie> and still no one does
23:14 < squealingcode> Yeah, they're gorgeous.
23:14 < wall4ss> the case market is pretty sad right now
23:14 <+TuxedoJack> Eh, Corsair makes some nice ones
23:14 < wall4ss> I'm not sure if I'll ever build another desktop, especially with the way thunderbolt is evolving
23:14 <+TuxedoJack> Simple, elegant, and fitting
23:15 < squealingcode> There's actually a few dead PM G5s for sale in my area. It
23:15 < squealingcode> The case is a bit different, but they're both beautiful.
23:15 <+TuxedoJack> I've got this for my desktop's case ATM
23:15 <+TuxedoJack> https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Carbide-Series%E2%84%A2-Air-740-High-Airflow-ATX-Cube-Case/p/CC-9011096-WW
23:15 <+layer-eight> * TuxedoJack →  Carbide Series™ Air 740 High Airflow ATX Cube Case
23:16 <+TuxedoJack> $150 at Fry's and it's fucking GORGEOUS.
23:16 < wall4ss> that is sexy
23:16 < squealingcode> That's nice. Not running out of 3.5 inch bays at first lol
23:16 < abakedapplepie> you and i have vastly different definitions for fucking gorgeous
23:16 <+TuxedoJack> Elegant, simple, clean, and separate compartments for storage media and the mobo / cards
23:16 <+TuxedoJack> abakedapplepie: I'd mod the Intel Mac Pro to take an ATX board and throw my shit in there, but I can't find a cheap mod
23:16 < abakedapplepie> i still love the lian li pc60
23:17 < abakedapplepie> call me old fashioned
23:17 < enix> ...
23:17 < squealingcode> abakedapplepie: I'd take it if they made it in beige lol
23:17 <+TuxedoJack> Hey, it's simple, it's clean, it's elegant
23:17 <+TuxedoJack> I really wish they still made that aquarium-sided case
23:18 <+TuxedoJack> The one they sold on Thinkgeek around 04 - 05
23:18 < aName> TuxedoJack: I can make you one
23:18 < abakedapplepie> i prefer my aquatic themed cases of a different persuasion
23:18 < wall4ss> honestly for $100 the lian li pc** line is great
23:18 < aName> lian-li is a great value
23:18 < abakedapplepie> https://www.techpowerup.com/img/16-06-01/4a.jpg
23:18 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 230,205 bytes
23:18 < abakedapplepie> :P
23:18 <+TuxedoJack> aName: no point, I've got better now. Corsair's case at the moment, then when I spare the cash, I'll just put all that shit into my Mac Pro case
23:18 < aName> They also still make 'a damned box' cases
23:19 < aName> TuxedoJack: *shrugs* It's a pretty trivial modification to make, FWIW
23:19 < abakedapplepie> retail products look nicer
23:19 < wall4ss> the only "lian li" case I've owned is the ncase m1, and the fit and finish is great
23:19 < abakedapplepie> unless youre a fabricator
23:19 < abakedapplepie> and know what youre doing
23:19 < aName> abakedapplepie: Acrylic is stupid easy to work with
23:19 < abakedapplepie> brushed alumunim looks nicer.
23:19 < enix> aName: whats the 'damned box' cases
23:19 < aName> abakedapplepie: Sure, but that's going to make a lousy aquarium tank
23:20 < abakedapplepie> oh, i thought you were talking about mac pro mod kits
23:20 < abakedapplepie> nvm
23:20 < aName> enix: Like... it's a damned box. It's not got RGB lighting or GAMER EXTREME aesthetics
23:20 < aName> enix: It's just a damned box for your parts
23:20 < aName> It's a NICE box, don't get me wrong
23:20 < Sousapro> Lian Li cases
23:20 < aName> But it's pragmatically styled
23:20 < wall4ss> I feel like the older you get the less you care about flashy lights :P
23:20 < aName> Sousapro: I've got the box for a PC-60 behind me
23:21 < abakedapplepie> ive never owned anything other than super basic computer cases
23:21 < enix> ah yeah got ya
23:21 < abakedapplepie> no windows, lights, etc
23:21 < aName> Sousapro: The case itself is long gone
23:21 < Sousapro> Lian-Li cases are expensive and boring
23:21 < abakedapplepie> or in other words
23:21 < enix> I just want a Tower 900
23:21 < abakedapplepie> ive never riced out my computer
23:21 < aName> Sousapro: I loaned a PC to a roommate... and he took it with him when he moved lol
23:21 < Sousapro> aName: umm
23:21 < Sousapro> aName: wow
23:21 < abakedapplepie> thats pretty shit
23:21 < abakedapplepie> ty
23:21 < wall4ss> abakedapplepie: you've never been a ricer!?!
23:21 < enix> havent decided on a color scheme. Mana/health potions maybe... or maybe some cool white/blue ? Idk.
23:21 < hxcsp> reddit.com/r/unixporn
23:22 < enix> Or I can go greenliquid and monster cans?
23:22 < wall4ss> hahaha
23:22 < aName> enix: How are your kidneys? =p
23:22 < abakedapplepie> not to be topically accurate, but, does anyone have a recommended cheap cat6 crimping system
23:22 < abakedapplepie> cheap being the operable word
23:22 < aName> Sousapro: Yeah the glass pipe he gave me as collateral was worth more
23:22 < aName> Sousapro: So no huge loss
23:23 < xamithan> crimping system ?
23:23 < aName> I ended up chipping the bowl on it when I was cleaning it a couple weeks back though
23:23 < xamithan> What does that mean
23:23 < aName> xamithan: The connectors and the tool to squeeze them
23:23 < xamithan> criming tools are pretty cheap
23:23 < Sousapro> https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Tools-EZ-RJ45-Crimp-RJ-11/dp/B00084Y1ZI
23:23 < abakedapplepie> cat6 is a little more than cat5/e
23:23 < aName> I like the ones I invented in high school
23:23 < wall4ss> abakedapplepie: get an EZX rj45 like Sousapro just linked
23:23 < xamithan> I use the same connectors and the same tool.  Is that not good ?
23:24 < wall4ss> EZ rj45*
23:24 < aName> I never patented it or took it to market, though
23:24 < aName> https://www.amazon.com/UbiGear-Through-Network-Modular-Connector/dp/B01B6SM2L4/
23:24 < aName> These ones
23:24 < Sousapro> I like the ones I invented by going to deepsurplus.com and ordering correct length cabling for $cheap but the EZ-RJ45 isn't bad at all
23:24 < abakedapplepie> thats kinda what i meant by system, i know theres ez rj and i thought there were others, but ive heard people complain about ezrj45
23:24 < aName> Had this idea in like, 2000
23:24 < aName> But noooo I had to grow up poor
23:24 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: it's kind of so-so
23:24 < wall4ss> what complaints?
23:24 < abakedapplepie> i have done all of 10 cat6 terminations manually
23:24 < abakedapplepie> i really would like some sort of passthru
23:25 < aName> abakedapplepie: getting them to line up sucks, right?
23:25 < abakedapplepie> its a real pain in the ass
23:25 < aName> abakedapplepie: Check my link
23:25 < abakedapplepie> especially if youre using stranded, which a lot of cat6 seems to be
23:25 < abakedapplepie> stranded = get fucked
23:25 < aName> stranded is shit
23:26 < vavkamil> I hated these
23:26 < genr8_> stranded has its reasons
23:26 < aName> vavkamil: The pass-through ones?
23:26 < vavkamil> the plastic piece in the middle
23:26 < aName> vavkamil: I'd never used them but I was sad to see someone who isn't me selling them lol
23:26 < abakedapplepie> ive never used the pass thrus but for all the shit they get online, i dont understand how they could possibly be worse than attempting to do cat6 by hand
23:26 < abakedapplepie> legit no idea
23:26 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: belden revconnect makes them way easier
23:26 < aName> vavkamil: That's why I always tell people there's no such thing as a million dollar idea - because I have them all the time but without execution it's worthless.
23:27 < genr8_> aName: same
23:27 < genr8_> my friend too
23:27 < genr8_> he always tells me them as if we're about to make a million dollars
23:27 < vavkamil> aName, we were using them both for servers and user stations
23:27 < Sousapro> I saw these at a trade show and I really really want one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH9de5SergA
23:27 <+layer-eight> * Sousapro →  YouTube → REVConnect - 3D Animated Video → ⚘ 36,854 ↑ 99 ↓ 5 ✍ 2
23:27 < aName> And like, it'll be a good idea for something the market is demanding that no one is supplying
23:27 < aName> But I've got fuck all clue how to make it happen
23:28 < abakedapplepie> Sousapro: those look wild
23:28 < Sousapro> if anyone wants to do 6a and not hate their life, belden revconnect
23:28 < genr8_> i tell him the only way I know is open source and grass roots underground community
23:28 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: makes a good seal so you don't have to worry about moisture
23:28 < aName> Although oftentimes I'll grossly overestimate the market for something based on how badly *I* want it
23:28 < genr8_> we're only 2 people though. and any good idea needs more help than that
23:28 < aName> Sousapro: ... that's a concern?
23:28 < aName> Sousapro: How humid is it where you are?
23:28 < aName> Sousapro: So I can avoid this place.
23:28 < Sousapro> aName: yes, moisture getting in after the fact is why quite a few cables fail
23:29 < genr8_> yeah, like the friend  was telling me about how to make the best bluetooth speaker and im like wow thats like the worst market to get into you realize that
23:29 < genr8_> and hes like "yeeah but if ours was better.... and it would be"
23:29 < Sousapro> aName: anywhere in the south or east
23:29 < abakedapplepie> Sousapro: this looks extremely expensive
23:29 < admiralspark> aName: isn't like, all of the east coast a wasteland of humidity right now?
23:29 < abakedapplepie> lol
23:29 < aName> admiralspark: It's not THAT bad lol
23:29 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: have you ever terminated CAT 6A shielded before?
23:29 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: I have
23:29 < abakedapplepie> yes
23:29 < abakedapplepie> it sucks
23:29 < abakedapplepie> ass
23:29 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: whatever they want is fair money
23:29 < aName> Granted, I've got 20,000BTU of cooling on my 300 square foot home
23:29 < abakedapplepie> big soggy ass
23:29 < aName> Soooo
23:30 < aName> https://www.reefkinetics.com/ Like this thing, for example. I want it SOOOOO BADLY. Me and like.... a hundred other people, maybe.
23:30 <+layer-eight> * aName →  Reef Kinetics
23:30 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: I mean if you need to do 25 cables and want them done flawlessly, quickly. get the revconnect
23:30 < abakedapplepie> aName: no way, i know a lot of people that would love something like that
23:31 < aName> tldr - CNC robot for doing titrations/colorimetry/photometry
23:31 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: gotta be cheaper than $localJourneymanRates
23:31 < abakedapplepie> theres a lot of automation along those lines with homebrewing going on the past couple years
23:31 < aName> abakedapplepie: Really? It seems like a niche within a niche within a niche
23:31 < aName> abakedapplepie: At least the way they're marketing it
23:31 < aName> abakedapplepie: Yeah, obv it has more general applications
23:31 < enix> VLC has been removed from centos repo :\
23:31 < abakedapplepie> aName: theres tons of people that invest a LOT into their aquariums
23:32 < aName> abakedapplepie: Present.
23:32 < abakedapplepie> why am i still here
23:32 < vavkamil> also when I was cable guy, these small utp wire holders changed my life, it was so much easier https://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/featuredblogview3.jpg?w=800
23:32 <+layer-eight> * vavkamil →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 149,202 bytes
23:32 < abakedapplepie> i need to go home lol
23:32 < Sousapro> enix: ITS PIRATING SOFTWARE ON OUR GNU/LINUX OPERATING SYSTEM
23:32 < aName> abakedapplepie: But I don't know how many of them are keen on automation
23:32 < aName> abakedapplepie: A lot of reefkeepers see it as some moral failing to not do everything the hard way
23:32 < aName> "You're not in tune with your tank, maaaaan"
23:32 < Sousapro> I would automate the hell out of my tank
23:32 < Sousapro> especially if i'm doing salt water
23:33 < aName> Sousapro: Absolutely
23:33 < Sousapro> I want it to be five 9s
23:33 < aName> Sousapro: It's the only way I can have a reef tank
23:33 < aName> Sousapro: I'm not consistent enough to do it myself
23:33 < abakedapplepie> stoner's conundrum
23:33 < Sousapro> and the poor coral if you fail :(
23:33 < aName> abakedapplepie: Yeah but I'm an IT nerd, so problem solved
23:33 < abakedapplepie> wants a cool aquarium to look at while high, too lazy to maintain because high
23:33 < abakedapplepie> :P
23:33 < aName> pmuch
23:34 < aName> why lie? =p
23:34 < abakedapplepie> lol
23:34 < aName> Honestly, I spend way more time reading about it than looking at it
23:35 < aName> Sousapro: Truthfully, if I was to start over, I would DIY the controller - the commercial options suck
23:35 < aName> Sousapro: The apex is the best of a bad crowd
23:35 < aName> Err, Apex
23:36 < aName> But all the stuff that hooks to it is three times as expensive as it has to be and programming it is a bitch
23:40 < aName> I think it's just based off some old school ladder logic language
23:40 < aName> I have to make 'virtual outlets' to get bools
23:40 < aName> It's stupid
23:41 < aName> It's got that 'well that's how we've always done it' feel
23:41 < aName> abakedapplepie: So the irony is that I ended up spending a bunch of time coming up with a way to be lazy... like I always do
23:46 < enix> http://kakoune.org/
23:46 <+layer-eight> * enix →  Kakoune - Official site
23:47 < Hunterkll> YO CRYPTIC1
23:47 < Hunterkll> I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE TRYIN TO TEACH YOU HOW TO SHOOT: https://i.imgur.com/XLeJkzB.gifv
23:47 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMGUR Image → Video/mp4 → 17 hours ago → WTF → 720x404 → Animated → ⚘ 1,331,053
23:48 <@cryptic1> Yessss?
23:49 <@cryptic1> Wow dude thats brutal
23:49 <@cryptic1> How can the other guy just let him do that so amny times
23:49 < Hunterkll> llol
23:51 < enix> ffmpeg isnt here either
23:57 < ThatOneRoadie> A little BRRRRRT for your tuesday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySuixFGIfbE
23:57 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  YouTube → The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of BRRRRRRT → ⚘ 244,179 ↑ 2,374 ↓ 35 ✍ 102
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