--- Log opened Sat Jul 07 00:00:28 2018
00:06 < Bru-> any youse dick around with win 2019 yet?
00:07 <@cryptic1> aint got time for dat
00:07 < Bru-> aint nobody got time for that
00:11 < admiralspark> that ^
00:12 < Bru-> ^ dis
00:12 < Bru-> any youse use Scale servers?
00:13 < admiralspark> Like ScaleEngine?
00:13 < Bru-> Scale Computing HC3
00:14 < admiralspark> oof
00:14 < admiralspark> no
00:14 < admiralspark> I feel like you just slapped me in the face with hundred dollar bills from your budget
00:15 < Bru-> well
00:15 < Bru-> if you factor in cost of SAN appliance
00:15 < Bru-> SAN switches
00:15 < Bru-> ...
00:15 < Bru-> it may not be far off
00:22 < enix> GOOD MORNING CRYPTIC1
00:22 < enix> fo dat* bee tee dubs
00:23 < enix> Today I will setup my own dev subnet
00:23 < enix> I dont know how
00:23 < enix> But I will do it
00:24 < Bru-> you go girl!
00:26 < enix> eh new ip command is so new to me
00:27 < xamithan> How old does it got to be before people stop calling it new ;P
00:27 < admiralspark> enix: good thing you can install net-tools
00:27 < admiralspark> :P
00:27 < enix> admiralspark: Yeah I know I'm thinking about it
00:27 < admiralspark> xamithan: when it's not garbage
00:27 < enix> s/got/have
00:27 <+layer-eight> [SED enix/xamithan] How old does it have to be before people stop calling it new ;P
00:27 < enix> it's deadset garbage
00:27 < xamithan> I like it,  it just isn't very user friendly
00:28 < enix> `man ip`: oh look, there's a color output option... `ip ac` 'object ac is unknown'
00:28 < enix> ip -a -c ... nope....
00:28 < enix> ip -ac...nope
00:28 < admiralspark> yum install net-tools
00:28 < admiralspark> do it
00:28 < admiralspark> never look back
00:28 < admiralspark> never upgrade from currentRHEL
00:28 < xamithan> Don't head into systemd land!
00:28 < xamithan> It is a trap!
00:28 < enix> lmao
00:28 < enix> OMG IFCONFIG IS SO NICE
00:28 < enix> WHAT HAPPENED TO IFCONFIG
00:29 < enix> IT HAS TABS!!!
00:29 < xamithan> ip link set dev enix01 down
00:29 < rootsudo> enix lol
00:29 < rootsudo> it's so hard to disconnect
00:30 < enix> ip link show shows me LESS information than ip a
00:31 < xamithan> But do you like ip -s
00:31 < enix> whats s
00:31 < Bru-> guys
00:31 < xamithan> netstat
00:31 < Bru-> fdisk is the new black
00:32 < enix> xamithan: not for me?
00:32 < enix> ip s just shows the help file
00:32 < enix> ip s actually goes to ip sr
00:32 < enix> btw ip -c a works
00:33 < enix> and color is shit.
00:34 < xamithan> ip -s link show eth0
00:34 < enix> oh and dont get me started on fucking ss
00:35 < xamithan> ss is almost exactly the same though
00:35 < xamithan> At least that I've noticed
00:35 < enix> It's really close but not quite
00:35 < xamithan> True
00:36 < xamithan> there is some other cool features too.  Like routing rules
00:36 < xamithan> Which I've never used because iptables works
00:36 < enix> I have to say though.. I think I get the most pissed off because they don't format their output nicely
00:39 < enix> WOW
00:39 < enix> Our DHCP server is a windows server 2003...
00:39 < enix> I wonder why
00:40 < xamithan> If it works don't fix it
00:40 < admiralspark> enix: easy fix if that's all it does...
00:40 < enix> No there will be a very explicity reason why.. the bloke before me was super pro-linux
00:41 < admiralspark> it's a 2003 box
00:41 < enix> He left his resume on this computer when he left. Super impressive background in the unix space
00:41 < admiralspark> that's not "works"
00:41 < enix> I BELIEVE it'll be something to do with our phones
00:41 < admiralspark> yeah
00:41 < admiralspark> probably dhcp options
00:41 < admiralspark> very easy :P
00:41 < enix> what do you mean by dhcp options
00:41 < admiralspark> like option 66
00:41 < admiralspark> wait
00:41 < admiralspark> enix one sex
00:41 < admiralspark> sec
00:41 < xamithan> O.o
00:41 < enix> oooo kinky
00:41 < L3gacy> Sex is noms
00:42 < admiralspark> enix: https://www.iana.org/assignments/bootp-dhcp-parameters/bootp-dhcp-parameters.xhtml
00:42 <+layer-eight> * admiralspark →  Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) and Bootstrap Protocol (BOOTP) Parameters
00:42 < enix> admiralspark must have seen you join L3gacy and got distracted and typed what he was thinking ;)
00:42 < admiralspark> they're extra tagged info sent in dhcp p[ackets
00:42 < enix> ahhh roger roger
00:42 < enix> thank you
00:43 < L3gacy> My ex room mate contacted me.  Wants the laptop I gave her, that she left.  This is AFTER she kicked in my cat's rib cage, packed salmon in the vents, and squatted...
00:43 < admiralspark> for instance, they tell your phones what the IP of the phone gateway/server is as well as your NTP hosts. A lot of people freak out and say "I can't do this in linux!" because they don't want to read a manpage
00:43 < admiralspark> L3gacy: tell her it's gone?
00:43 < enix> L3gacy: what the fuck...
00:43 < enix> admiralspark: BUT I CANT DO THIS IN LINUX
00:43 < admiralspark> that you had to sell it to pay for the cleaning place
00:43 < L3gacy> She said she tried to kill herself after I kicked her out.  I just told her, "That's a shame.  You should have tried harder"
00:44 < admiralspark> enix: go for it. But WS2012R2 is pretty good, and this comes from someone who loves linux
00:44 < admiralspark> L3gacy: brofist
00:44 < L3gacy> She WAS a friend for 39 yrs
00:44 < admiralspark> holy shit
00:44  * L3gacy fist bumps admiralspark 
00:44 < admiralspark> some people don't get it until it's too late
00:44 < admiralspark> some never learn
00:44 < enix> She sounds detrimental to your health
00:44 < L3gacy> My cat's tail is LIMP from a broken spine, now
00:45 < enix> naw poor kitty :(
00:45 < enix> Give your kitty some extra love on behalf of enix
00:45  * enix loves kittys
00:45 < L3gacy> He's named Bob Ross.  His tail has a white tip, like a paintbrush :)
00:45  * enix is also very allergic to kittys
00:45 < enix> YOOO
00:45 < enix> I was about to call my dev subnet bob
00:45 < L3gacy> He's chill, but has FIV :(
00:45 < genr8_> i call mine blob
00:45 < L3gacy> His meds are 200/month
00:45 < xamithan> bob.bob ?
00:45 < enix> Oh wait.. you can't have 192.168.808.* can you
00:45 < enix> fuck
00:46 < xamithan> new TLDs yo
00:46  * enix goes back to the drawing board
00:46 < xamithan> You can in IPv6
00:46 < enix> oooo bob get's around L3gacy
00:46 < L3gacy> It urns when IP
00:46 < enix> Chasing a bit too much tail
00:46 < L3gacy> *burns
00:46 < enix> Getting a bit too much pussy
00:46 < L3gacy> He's so fuzzums
00:46 < L3gacy> My cousin took him, since I cant have cats here
00:46 < L3gacy> He so fuzzums :)
00:47 < enix> You'll have to start a kitty to pay for his funds
00:47 < enix> s/funds/meds
00:47 <+layer-eight> [SED enix] You'll have to start a kitty to pay for his meds
00:47 < L3gacy> My ETH went up in value
00:47 < enix> all because he had to CATch FIV
00:47 <+DrGibby|> no debug all
00:47 <+DrGibby|> sorry wrong winder
00:47  * enix is fucking hilarious 
00:47 < L3gacy> She kicked his ribs in so hard his tail broke...
00:47 < L3gacy> If I see her, I'm gonna kick her tits off
00:48 < xamithan> Why didn't you get her charged for animal crutely
00:48 < L3gacy> In other news
00:48 < L3gacy> I has salami
00:48 < L3gacy> She left town
00:48 < enix> Murderer
00:48 < xamithan> So?  police are in every town
00:48 < L3gacy> They wont extradite her from OHIO to NJ
00:48 < enix> idk it is a kitten
00:48 < xamithan> Probably not but it'd be on record
00:48 < enix> L3gacy: i'm not going to lie.. you get the right kitty-loving cop... he/she/it will fuck her up
00:49 < L3gacy> PR24 to the tits?
00:49 < enix> also if she has a tendancy towards animal cruelty and ever escalates her blood lust to humans then she'll be a prime suspect due to her reported history
00:49 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: I see you disabling debug over there
00:49 < xamithan> I don't care too much about people but non-wild animals are mostly defenseless
00:49 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: :(
00:49 < L3gacy> I need to finish my resume'
00:49 <+DrGibby|> I want to shoot myself, admiralspark
00:49 < enix> xamithan: honestly... even some wild animals
00:49 < admiralspark> on a Friday, no less DrGibby|
00:49 < admiralspark> phone stuff still?
00:49 <+DrGibby|> its homelab related
00:49 <+DrGibby|> but yeah
00:50 < enix> xamithan: hell.... all wild animals. Just look at Rhino's getting hunted so Chinese wankers can get hard-ons
00:50 <+DrGibby|> this is the only time I get to work on it
00:50 < admiralspark> :/
00:50 < admiralspark> hmmm
00:50 < xamithan> Three or so of those poachers ended up in some lions stomachs
00:50 < enix> I swear all of China must have erectile dysfunction because that's a lot of rhinos to kill for a hard on
00:50 < enix> xamithan: I saw that
00:50 < enix> I was so happy
00:50 < xamithan> I saw that picture with some slut who killed a giraffe though,  ugh
00:50 < enix> xamithan: Oh that's VERY different
00:50 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: you wouldn't happen to have a little time later tonight to chat, would you?
00:50 < enix> I dont agree with it... but they pay A LOT of money for that
00:51 < xamithan> Yeah its sad,  but that money helps conversation efforts way more than most things
00:51 < enix> xamithan: If it's who I'm thinking of; she had to pay shit tonnes of money to hunt that game and that money goes into more conservation
00:51 < enix> Yeah
00:51 < L3gacy> anyone got a bomb ass resume template?
00:51 < xamithan> conversion*
00:51 < enix> IT really REALLY sucks
00:51 < enix> L3gacy: you want some help pm me
00:51 < L3gacy> pinged
00:51  * m4221 reports L3gacy to the police for using a keyword which is suspicious activity 
00:52 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: I could, it's only 3p here, and need to run some errands after work, would likely be 3hrs or so from now?
00:52 < Jagster`> man
00:52 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: thats fucking perfect
00:52 < m4221> DrGibby|: hey slacker
00:52 < Jagster`> someone here had an amazing resume template
00:52 <+DrGibby|> hey m4221
00:52 <+DrGibby|> fuk u
00:52 < Jagster`> i cant remember his name tho
00:52  * m4221 bends over for DrGibby| 
00:53 < admiralspark> L3gacy: check /r/sysadminresumes and sort by top
00:53 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: if you fix this I will buy you beer
00:53 < m4221> DrGibby|: I'm ready
00:53 < admiralspark> or search for posts where they got the job
00:53 < admiralspark> haha
00:53 <+DrGibby|> has been my thing with everyone who has helped so far
00:53 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: don't count on my skills, I've technically been out of the phone game for a year so I'm playing all this by memory
00:53 < admiralspark> but I'll try :P
00:53 <+DrGibby|> whoever gets this this working+helps me understand where I fucked up gets a case of beer
00:53 < admiralspark> damn
00:53 < L3gacy> This is AMY - https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqjagK6wLBRCgdl7_YG9E_TbQ9XgzA
00:53 < admiralspark> like
00:54 < admiralspark> we talking good beer?
00:54 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: this is a pretty straightforward install, I think
00:54 < admiralspark> :P
00:54 < admiralspark> wait
00:54 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: we're talking GOOD beer
00:54 < admiralspark> what are you working on?
00:54 < admiralspark> remind me
00:54 < admiralspark> haha
00:54 < m4221> Should I even bother with OpenStack?
00:54 < admiralspark> m4221: the newest of new hotsauce to put on a resume is k8s
00:54 <+DrGibby|> two SIP phones inside, CME on a 2951, trying to get external calls to work
00:54 < admiralspark> openstack is....frustrating
00:54 < admiralspark> wait
00:55 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: was that you I was posting with on Reddit
00:55 < m4221> admiralspark: kubernetes?
00:55 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: no lol
00:55 < admiralspark> m4221: yes
00:55 <+DrGibby|> I haven't posted on reddit or cisco support forums
00:55 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: brb, I might have a comment to help you then
00:55 <+DrGibby|> they're my last line of defense
00:55 < m4221> admiralspark: I have recruiters calling me daily
00:55 < L3gacy> Anyone see my kitty friend link?
00:56 < L3gacy> She so coot
00:56 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: oh shit, not quite the same but if I could see your config I can totes do it
00:56 < admiralspark> call xlation trees and CME/call routing was my jam
00:56 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: gimme a bit and I can get it to you. waiting on delivery for dinner
00:57 < admiralspark> no rush man, I'm just reading articles at work, debating how to tackle some projects next week
00:57 < m4221> admiralspark: yo momma tackled me already
00:58 < L3gacy> lol
00:58 < admiralspark> m4221: beat the shit out of you so bad you have to shitpost online to make up for your feelings of inadequacy, too, eh?
00:59 < admiralspark> ;)
00:59 < m4221> admiralspark: ofc
01:02 < m4221> admiralspark: we in IT put our foot down to force someone to file a ticket for a request
01:02 < m4221> No ticket, no service
01:02 < admiralspark> m4221: wait, am I missing context here?
01:03 <+DrGibby|> sent it to you via pm admiralspark
01:03 < m4221> admiralspark: $user sent an email to the helpdesk mailing list instead of the ticketing system
01:03 < catbeard> no ticket, no reply
01:03 < m4221> $user does this regularly
01:03 <+DrGibby|> NO TICKET, NO WORKY
01:03 < catbeard> DELETE /tickets/$user
01:04 < m4221> $user thought "it would be done by the time she got out of the meeting"
01:04 <+DrGibby|> DELETE $user
01:04 < m4221> "and Outlook is faster"
01:04 <+DrGibby|> this means kill, or kill -9 if they're real dickheads
01:04 < catbeard> "than what"
01:04 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: one sec
01:04 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: again, no rush
01:04 < admiralspark> m4221: hahahah. Looks like she;'s got a 4 day SLA
01:05 < m4221> DrGibby|: taskkill /s %userPC% /im outlook.exe
01:05 <+DrGibby|> you're being much nicer than I am
01:06 < m4221> DrGibby|: there is always shutdown /r via psexec
01:07 < m4221> admiralspark: 8 day sla
01:08 < enix> WOWWW he quit
01:08 < m4221> enix: you're fired
01:09 < m4221> So, I just deployed Solitaire with Citrix
01:09 < enix> I read that as "destroyed" lol
01:10  * m4221 tases enix
01:10 < m4221> enix: stop resisting
01:10  * enix wishes tracepath showed me a map to my switch
01:12 < enix> OMG I JUST HAD THE BEST IDEA FOR MY STAFF PHOTO
01:12  * MillerBOSS slaps m4221 around a bit with a large trout
01:12 < enix> Everyone get's photos with animals and shit
01:12 < enix> I should get a photo out in the bush holding an old server/switch like it's some kinda animal
01:12  * enix starts shopping for loin cloths
01:16 < MillerBOSS> Do it enix enix enix enix enix e n I x
01:17 < MillerBOSS> Why is it easier to watch Seinfeld than do work?
01:17 < SleePy> Wow.  Major bank is updating some pages.  Sent our people a link.  Blocked by firewall.  Check it out.  False positive I think.  But the url takes them to a completely differently branded site.  Take a pic and ask them, bank says thats the right site :\
01:18 < MillerBOSS> Sure it is
01:18 < MillerBOSS> What does the cert say?
01:18 < SleePy> It says sided by a legit 3rd party for the bank
01:19 < SleePy> Its a major bank in the US.
01:19 < MillerBOSS> Side question what are you running the the firewall that could spot this?
01:19 < MillerBOSS> On the
01:20 < SleePy> CN = Entrust Certification Authority - L1K
01:20 < MillerBOSS> Whats the URL?
01:20 < SleePy> MillerBOSS: Its a Watchguard UTM.  Running the web Blocker and it checks for lots of things.  The rule that caught it was the "Parked Domain" rule
01:21 < MillerBOSS> Oh thats nice
01:21 < MillerBOSS> If you don't want to share stick it in https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/
01:21 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  SSL Server Test (Powered by Qualys SSL Labs)
01:21 < desgen> back from my misdeeds
01:21 < desgen> did I miss any speculation?
01:22 < SleePy> Its not even a EV cert.
01:22 < SleePy> https://portal.clientaccesssite.com/web/fsv_connect/login  Its in google, so I can share that link
01:22 <+layer-eight> * SleePy →  Login - -
01:23 < SleePy> US Bank website, but looks spammish.  I wanted to nope out of there.  But whois for the domain matches up to US Bank and so does the IP.  So no trickery there
01:24 < MillerBOSS> https://portal.clientaccesssite.com/web/merial/login looks like a shared back end
01:24 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  My Login - -
01:24 < MillerBOSS> Many banks use it
01:24 < MillerBOSS> https://www.google.com/search?q=clientaccesssite.com
01:24 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  clientaccesssite.com - Google Search
01:24 < SleePy> Thats my guess as well now seeing it in google.  I found the right url by guessing.
01:25 < SleePy> But no EV cert for a US Bank site.  Should be chunk change to do that for them for the peace of mind to customers
01:25 < SleePy> I hope their cert rollover they are doing on their backend works well.  Got a email they are rolling a cert on a api service we use is changing.  Need to test it :D
01:27 < MillerBOSS> 66-209.235.98.appsitehosting.com
01:27 < MillerBOSS> Seems super fishy
01:28 < SleePy> The domain is registered to Network Solutions..
01:28 < MillerBOSS> Right
01:28 < MillerBOSS> And https://www.usbankprepaidadmin.com/
01:28 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  Login - -
01:29 < MillerBOSS> 74-209.235.98.appsitehosting.com
01:29 < MillerBOSS> Org: VeriCenter
01:29 < MillerBOSS> https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/vericenter
01:29 < SleePy> But the DNS is from US Bank.  Low chance of DNS hijacking.
01:30 < MillerBOSS> Oh I didn't see that
01:30 < SleePy> Name Server: ns1.usbank.com
01:30 < SleePy> If somebody has hijacked that, there are bigger problems.
01:30 < MillerBOSS> Yeah for usbank URL but that URL was in the SERPs of the original URL
01:31 < SleePy> clientaccesssite.com has USBank DNS as well
01:33 < MillerBOSS> https://urlscan.io/result/1c145a7f-b08f-4965-9e16-a7289d3fd279/
01:33 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  portal.clientaccesssite.com - urlscan.io
01:33 < MillerBOSS> Its interesting for sure
01:37  * m4221 ties MillerBOSS to a table and uses a cat6 cable on him
01:37 < m4221> MillerBOSS: cable > trout
01:39 <+JollyRgrs> ok, need help from network savvy
01:40 <+JollyRgrs> assume i have all dumb switches, but a pfsense and a unifi AP. i want a guest network w/ captive portal and isolated... vlan needed? and if so, (how) can I pull it off with only pfsense and unifi knowing vlan tags?
01:43 < xamithan> Just guest net on the AP ?
01:44 < genr8_>  that sounds fine
01:44 < genr8_> you need a managed switch it what it is.
01:44 < genr8_> or more Physical ports on the Pfsense box
01:44 < xamithan> Yeah,  unless you can connect the AP directly to pfsense
01:45 < desgen> What restrictions does windows have on licensing in regards to how many times you can activate, for a typical non-retail key, and perhaps tied to your account.
01:45 < genr8_> its a gray area. either it activates or it doesnt
01:46 < genr8_> you can try to call if you have an excuse
01:46 < desgen> genr8_, thanks, that's basically what I thought
01:46 < genr8_> like im pretty sure its more than 1
01:47 < desgen> up to 3 potentially, iirc
01:47 < desgen> maybe 6, but then maybe 8
01:47 < desgen> that's how great they let you know
01:48 < genr8_> The idea is that if you do that, they wont all be in use at the same time... or that violates it by intent, not like they can catch you from it....
01:48 < desgen> They're lenient during providing proof, or not at all
01:48 < desgen> depends on how well with words you are
01:48 < genr8_> like youre allowed to have it on multiple of your own machines cause its only you
01:49 < desgen> I'm sure if you piss them off and call a bunch of times
01:49 < desgen> you might just end up with a free product
01:50 < desgen> Graciously confused when a user did it but didn't have to provide anything
01:50 < genr8_> im sure they can see whats been activated to it, so you can change your mobo but theres still some other pieces that activate
01:50 < desgen> a hash is a hash, wouldn't any minor change effect the whole thing?
01:50 < genr8_> and if you just added like 3 completely diff machines it would be kinda obvious
01:51 < genr8_> i thought it was transmitted in the individual pieces
01:54 < genr8_> as shown here: https://puu.sh/AS7Ky/1996d92dfd.png
01:54 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 88,778 bytes
01:54 < genr8_> they increased it. looks like its 22 pieces of info now
01:54 < desgen> genr8_, that's certainly useful information, thanks
01:55 < genr8_> used to be like 11
01:56 < genr8_> something occured to me. i mighta heard you were allowed 1 desktop and 1 laptop if it was just yourself
01:56 < desgen> genr8_, I don't think it's "catching you" as much as its literally allowing finite amounts of activation
01:57 < genr8_> yea
01:57 < desgen> as soon as you go overboard, i'm sure an automated system is in place to invalidate the key
02:03 < enix> asd
02:04 < enix> fucking brownouts
02:05 < desgen> wanna see my brownout?
02:06 < enix> send pics
02:06 < desgen> It's black
02:06 < desgen> can't charge camera
02:06 < desgen> sorry man
02:10 < enix> Omg I fucking hate windows 10
02:10 < enix> Log into admin account "We have some updates for you! This will take several minutes"
02:10 < MillerBOSS> How much?
02:10 < enix> Woowwwww how about fucking now.
02:10 < desgen> have you tried 11?
02:11 < MillerBOSS> 10.1
02:11 < enix> MillerBOSS: My side project is moving our entire business to linux.
02:11 < desgen> good luck having a business
02:11 < desgen> might panic
02:11 < desgen> kernel panic
02:11 < enix> Hey.. it's a little side project to see how possible it is.
02:11 < desgen> badumtss
02:12 < desgen> if it was possible, and also free
02:12 < desgen> what do you think would be successful by now?
02:12 < desgen> don't know, they all went under
02:15 < desgen> however, feel free to fiddle
02:15 < desgen> I know I am
02:16 < desgen> Client: HexChat 2.14.1 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD FX-8370 Eight-Core Processor (1.40GHz) • Memory: 15.3 GiB Total (13.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 39.8 GB / 101.6 GB (61.8 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GP104 [GeForce GTX 1080] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h Processor Function 3 • Uptime: 1h 16m 40s
02:16 < enix> Sorry got an eftpos problem and it's impossible to fix gah
02:16  * enix doesnt have this issue with his personal business
02:17 < genr8_> enix: you can hold shift while you log on to prevent that i think
02:18 < enix> genr8_: I'll test it out thank you
02:19 < sunrunner20> anybody ever heard of traffic selectively being rerouted to the wrong server accidentally?
02:19 < sunrunner20> like an RDP hits the right server. But an HTTP request to it goes to the wrong one
02:20 < sunrunner20> no firewall/router/LB in the way
02:21 < genr8_> DNS. its always DNS
02:21 <+JollyRgrs> http://isitdns.com
02:21 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  ⚓  https://isitdns.com/ → IS IT DNS?
02:21 < enix> WELL IS IT
02:21 < sunrunner20> DNS would explain *all* traffic
02:22 < sunrunner20> not RDP then HTTP
02:22 < sunrunner20> besides 90% certain its not being resolved by DNS but rather netbios name resolution
02:23 < sunrunner20> if i'm wrong school away
02:24 < desgen> http://is2.4chan.org/g/1530880851264.jpg
02:24 <+layer-eight> * desgen →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 392,857 bytes
02:25 < desgen> shouldn't this be titled high contrast low contast?
02:25 < adamb> sunrunner20: repeat your tests using IP addresses
02:26 < adamb> also check that IPv4 and IPvBEST agree with each other
02:26 < sunrunner20> if by IPvBEST you mean 6
02:26 < sunrunner20> that's disabled on the network
02:26 < adamb> gtfo
02:26 < sunrunner20> not my call
02:27 < sunrunner20> I'm just the annoying know nothing that happens to be right 95% of the time
02:27 < sunrunner20> i'm in charge of making sure the software we sell ends up on the servers correctly
02:28 < adamb> I can see how HTTP and RDP pointing to different systems would complicate that
02:28 < sunrunner20> yea just one problem
02:28 < sunrunner20> I don't think its an accident
02:29 < sunrunner20> I think we have a malicious guest on the network
02:29 < sunrunner20> "guest"
02:30 < sunrunner20> too many accidents and problems on the network this week
02:31 < desgen> can someone teach me how to computer for free
02:31 < desgen> is that possible
02:32 < desgen> IRC takes too long, i'm ungrateful I know
02:32 < sunrunner20> there's ususally classes at the library desgen
02:32 < sunrunner20> but I hear the rooms smell funny
02:32 < desgen> clubs you mean probably
02:32 < desgen> but I hate people
02:32 < desgen> cant you just all die instead
02:33 < desgen> and ill get your information absorbed
02:33 < desgen> ill be maximum expert
02:33 < sunrunner20> well the people at the library will be dieing soon :P
02:33 < sunrunner20> 10, 15 years tops usually
02:49 < desgen> sunrunner20, knowledge kills
02:49 < desgen> know, I mean really
02:51 < sunrunner20> lol
02:54 < misspwn> hola
02:55 < abakedapplepie> no
02:55 < Casteil> ahhh... ~70f with 40% humidity... perfect
02:55 < sunrunner20> Q_Q Casteil
02:55 < sunrunner20> I can't get my apartment below 55% rh
02:55 < Casteil> it's been fucking HOT the last 2+ weeks
02:55 < sunrunner20> I'm in texas
02:55 < Casteil> haven't seen a high below the mid 80s for 2 weeks
02:55 < sunrunner20> yes
02:56 < sunrunner20> its been hot
02:56 < Casteil> I'm in Michigan :P high 80s - mid 90s sustained like that is pretty uncommon
02:56 < abakedapplepie> dude its been beautiful today
02:56 < abakedapplepie> nice breeze, mid 70s
02:56 < sunrunner20> I think it was 80f when I went to bed at midnight last night
02:57 < Casteil> I think tonight is the first night it's supposed to dip down below 70 for the last 2 weeks
03:03 < Casteil> also sunrunner20: I feel you, re <55% humidity :P
03:03 < Casteil> this bedroom probably hasn't really been below 60% ever since it got hot 2+ weeks ago
03:03 < sunrunner20> I have a dehumidifier running oalmost constantly
03:03 < Casteil> heh
03:04 < Casteil> you on the gulf or something? lol
03:04 < sunrunner20> dallas/DFW
03:04 < sunrunner20> for some reason my apartment is super humid
03:07 < Casteil> huh.. any residual dampness? wet towels or anything?
03:07 < sunrunner20> nawp
03:08 < Casteil> could just be the humidity outside and a lot of air permeation through the walls
03:14 < Casteil> science/physics, BITCH! air can only hold so much moisture at a given temperature, and as the temp gets lower it can't hold as much so the relative humidity level is higher (and it's easier to cool air than strip moisture)
03:47 < sideup66> confirmed
03:47 < sideup66> ##openwrt is full of neckbeards
03:48 < sideup66> all they do is bitch about routers
03:48 < sideup66> even if you admit, you just want something basic without too many frills
03:48 < sideup66> to do basic work
03:50 <+DrGibby|> are you surprised?
03:50 < abakedapplepie> lol
03:53 <+DrGibby|> I mean, they're circlejerking over a wrt56g os
03:58 < sideup66> lol
03:58 < sideup66> only reason i am touching the box i am is because i need a vlan
03:59 < sideup66> and the factory firmware doesnt support it
04:05 < catbeard> sup nerds
04:05 <@cryptic1> oh no its DrGibby|
04:05 <@cryptic1> <3
04:05 <+DrGibby|> oh no its cryptic1
04:05 <+DrGibby|> <3
04:05 <@cryptic1> whats up?
04:05 < catbeard> OH YEAH!
04:05 <@cryptic1> hey catbeard
04:05 <+DrGibby|> not too much, cryptic1. Dong things. Watching some vidjas
04:06 <+DrGibby|> whats up with you, buddy?
04:06 < catbeard> i'm done with cli php for the day
04:06 <@cryptic1> posting those dong picture again eh DrGibby|
04:06 <+DrGibby|> shh
04:06 <@cryptic1> DrGibby|, same same
04:06 <@cryptic1> :P
04:06 < catbeard> that's what my existence has come to, automating my most effortful of tasks to little phar bins
04:07 < catbeard> up to and including billing verification, orphaned account tracking, AUP enforcement
04:07 < catbeard> i've created a monster
04:08 < catbeard> it's just a baby though, it was born 8M 64 bits
04:09 < catbeard> i should rename it 'mcp'
04:10 < catbeard> what could go wrong? :)
04:11 <@cryptic1> heh
04:12 <+JollyRgrs> cryptic1: get on here
04:14  * DrGibby| clears his throat at cryptic1 
04:14 <@cryptic1> O_o
04:14 <+DrGibby|> for old times sake?
04:15 <@cryptic1> Please everyone a moment of silence for our brothers and sisters who have fallen to malware from user ignorance.
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04:16 <@cryptic1> Thank you
04:16 < enix> wtf
04:16 < catbeard> don't click the dickbutt, it's malware
04:16 < catbeard> ANSI payload 0day
04:16 < enix> Lol that's gold
04:16 < Gibby> ur all infected
04:17 < Gibby> haxxx
04:17 < enix> won't lie... tried to combo break it
04:17 < catbeard> no my utf8s
04:18 < xe0n> yo
04:27 < enix> What phones is everyone using at work
04:27 < enix> phone system more like it
04:29 < xamithan> freeasterik
04:29 < xamithan> er
04:29 < xamithan> whatever that one is
04:29 < enix> asterix?
04:29 < xamithan> yes
04:29 < xamithan> asterisk
04:29 < enix> asterik*
04:29 < enix> yeah
04:29 < enix> What phones do you connect to it
04:30 < xamithan> These really old cisco 7940s
04:30 < enix> god love them
04:30 < enix> does your address book work?
04:31 < xamithan> It all works great
04:31 < enix> There's no cap hey you can search the whole directory for people yeah
04:31 < xamithan> No one does any cleanup on it so we got all these phones that all route straight to me
04:32 < enix> We're using Alcatel-Lucent phones which are super clunky to use
04:32 < enix> BUt they have a qwerty keyboard at the bottom which let's us look people up
04:32 < xamithan> I'll be honest.  I don't even know how to transfer someone
04:32 < xamithan> I just use the cell phone they give
04:34 < sideup66> thank you DrGibby|
04:34 < sideup66> i am working oncall tonight
04:35 < sideup66> dickbutt is appreciated
04:37 <@cryptic1> sideup66, :P
04:37 < abakedapplepie> mmm love me some dickbutt
04:38 < sideup66> no
04:38 < sideup66> a moment in silence
04:38 < sideup66> for support teams
04:38 < sideup66> who cannot plan changes properly
04:39 < enix> Thanks for the moment of silence guys I appreciate it
04:40 < sideup66> yes
04:40 < sideup66> everyone working support this weekend/week appreciates this moment of silence
04:40 < sideup66> hopefully its in honor of those of us doing oncall support for the week, dealing with nonsense changes, etc
04:41 < xe0n> loll
04:41 < adapter> hah
04:43 <+DrGibby|> getting ilo pwnt
04:43 <+DrGibby|> ya know, the normal shit
04:44 < enix> DrGibby|: fuck thanks for remindind me
04:44 <@cryptic1> ilo keygens dirty dirty
04:44 <@cryptic1> thats highly illegal!!!
04:54 < enix> I think we just got hit by a botnet...
04:54 <@cryptic1> enix, why do you think that?
04:55 < enix> This one cert IP has posted data through our contact form 1286
04:55 < enix> This one cert IP has posted data through our contact form 1286 times
04:55 < enix> another one is at 893
04:55 < enix> and so one
04:55 < enix> and so on**
04:55 <+DrGibby|> or, its a scanner looking for vulns
04:55 <+DrGibby|> unless multiple sauses?
04:56 < enix> Oh for FUCKS sake
04:56 < enix> Fucking shitty fucking web devs
04:56 < enix> multiple sources but my analytics are fucked now because he's got a thousand fucking remote files with each page load, which get's re-fucking-directed a million fucking times
04:57 <+DrGibby|> :)
04:58 < enix> I have to work out why I have to deal with spam nearly daily
05:01 < enix> I did just find out a fun bit of redirect fuckup by our web team
05:01 < enix> I might just report them to their manager so they can have another striek against their name.
05:02 < enix> Found it...
05:02 < enix> Fucking dick heads have left a completely insecure form with zero captcha that allows you to email whoever you want from our server.
05:03 <+DrGibby|> :D
05:03 <+DrGibby|> whats the URL?
05:03 <+DrGibby|> might want to check your domain against the banlists?
05:06 <@cryptic1> ^
05:06 <@cryptic1> yeah its probably been abused big time
05:07 < xe0n> report to their manager....lol
05:07 < xe0n> how about you just speak to them and give them a heads up?
05:11 < enix> xe0n: this kind of thing has already been brought up multiple times. They're no longer being utilized for certain projects.
05:11 < enix> Friendly heads up to their department head then on my way I go
05:12 <+DrGibby|> no way to block an active attack?
05:12 < enix> in what way
05:12 < enix> they're just abusing an open form
05:13 <+DrGibby|> and mailing from your domain?
05:14 < misspwn> where's the party at?
05:14 < misspwn> oh the party is with enix
05:14 <@cryptic1> enix's open form server
05:15 <@cryptic1> everyone is on that
05:15 <@cryptic1> thanks for the url btw enix
05:15 <@cryptic1> need to spam the shit outta these #reddit-sysadmin lootcrates
05:15 <+DrGibby|> need more r-s lootcrates
05:17 < xe0n> enix: you're new to the place, don't try to start shit... a friendly headsup would be more appropriate. let someone else deal with the political side of it. coast attitudes are different dude..
05:18 < xe0n> something i'm dealing with lol, i've had to slowly adjust the way i manage people\speak to them
05:19 < enix> DrGibby|, cryptic1: The person can enter their own email address in, then it sends posing as them. So none of our @business email addresses are used, but still
05:19 < xe0n> lol mail relay at it's finest loll
05:19 < xe0n> wtf is with the rain enix, why'd you bring it with you
05:19 < enix> xe0n: I completely understand, however it's not something he'll get reprimanded for tbh
05:20 < xe0n> he doesnt need to be reprimanded... just fix the issue and move on.
05:20 < enix> It doesn't matter anymore... ;)
05:20 <@cryptic1> well frankly i blame enix for this open relay
05:20 <@cryptic1> he clearly allowed it to happen
05:20 <+DrGibby|> samesies
05:20 < xe0n> lolll
05:21  * cryptic1 smirks
05:21 < xe0n> i got employee of the month yesterday loL!
05:21 < L3gacy> get back to work, cryptic1
05:21 <@cryptic1> D:
05:21 < L3gacy> Hugs
05:21 < L3gacy> jk, man
05:21 <@cryptic1> i am on vacation f that
05:21 < L3gacy> Saw the Purge :)
05:21 < enix> xe0n: that's a thing?
05:21 < xe0n> enix: yeah where i am lol
05:21 <@cryptic1> enix, he works at mcdonalds
05:22 < xe0n> its a bullshit buttering up thing, but hey $150 voucher for red balloon, cant complain
05:22 < xe0n> wonder if i can get booze with it
05:22 < enix> better than our employee of the month award...
05:22 < enix> From red baloon? they sell booze?
05:22 < enix> You could probably offer it up for swap on gumtree tbh
05:22 < xe0n> i dunno? lol
05:23 < xe0n> you hung out at ocean st yet?
05:23 < enix> "will swap red balloon voucher for johnny blue kthnx"
05:23 < enix> Nah no way to get anywhere
05:23 < enix> My movements are strictly work <-> home until october
05:23 < xe0n> lol!
05:23 < xe0n> well let us know when you're heading down there, will have a beer with ya
05:24 < enix> Sweet as!
05:24 < xe0n> i got super messy down there last week, was sweet
05:24 < xe0n> coast chicks are loose.
05:24 < enix> HA! yeah I've gotten that impression already
05:24 < enix> Is ocean street the place to go?
05:24 < xe0n> yeah
05:25 < xe0n> or into noosa hasting st on a sat night
05:25 < xe0n> but yeah ocean st is where its mainly at in maroochydore, the warf for mooloolaba, hasting st for noosa
05:25 < xe0n> and then anywhere in between, surf or bowls clubs
05:25 < xe0n> or pubs.
05:26 < xe0n> anyways im out for a bit
05:26 <@cryptic1> rumor has it enix always uninstalls windows security updates as they does not believe they are safe to use
05:28 <+DrGibby|> updates invalidate my license key
05:30 < enix> Good to know xe0n!
05:30 < enix> Can't wait to get around
05:30 < enix> cryptic1: Thank you for not referencing my gender
05:31 <@cryptic1> you are welcome
05:31 <@cryptic1> you identify as enix
05:32 <+JollyRgrs> enix: you little slut
05:33 <+JollyRgrs> that's what enix identifies as
05:33 <@cryptic1> O_o
05:33 <+JollyRgrs> slut slert slort
05:33 <+JollyRgrs> those are slert's pronouns
05:33 <@cryptic1> hrmm is that JollyRgrs or JollyRoger` ?
05:33 <@cryptic1> which one is the real one
05:33 <+JollyRgrs> i'm the man you saw walking out of your house last night
05:33 <+JollyRgrs> also, tell your mom thanks, i forgot to thank her on my way out
05:34 <@cryptic1> will do
05:35 < enix> Welcome to the firewall 198.98.48.138
05:38 <@cryptic1> pffft enix you disable all firewalls by default
05:41 <@cryptic1> open all the ports!
05:42 <@cryptic1> right JollyRgrs ?
05:42 <+JollyRgrs> yup
05:42 <+JollyRgrs> ugh, dealing with firewall now :(
05:42 <+JollyRgrs> setting up captive portal for a guest wireless
05:42 <@cryptic1> really?
05:42 <+JollyRgrs> #idontknowwhatimdoing
05:42 <@cryptic1> lol
05:43 < enix> JollyRgrs: enix is actually a cryptogram of slut
05:44 < enix> JollyRgrs: Are you doing social media check-in shit by any chance?
05:44 <+JollyRgrs> no
05:44 <+JollyRgrs> this is for my house
05:44 < enix> damn
05:44 < enix> LOL
05:44 <+JollyRgrs> it's friday night, i'm not doing work work
05:44 < enix> Charge them fuckers for access!
05:46 < enix> xe0n: do you know what the procedure is for getting connected to nbn
05:47 < enix> Brand new house; would it have all the gear already installed somewhere and they just need a number to connect or do they have to actually come out
05:49 < enix> I have fibre to premises
06:09 <+DrGibby|> lucky
06:16 <+JollyRgrs> why can't i get internet on opt1 :(
06:18 <@cryptic1> banned from the internets
06:19  * sideup66 reboots JollyRgrs
06:19  * sideup66 installs pfsense on cryptic1
06:19 < genr8_> you have to route it
06:19 < genr8_> write an allow rule on that ip
06:19 <@cryptic1> already have the pfsense
06:19 <@cryptic1> its my router
06:20 <+JollyRgrs> genr8_: it's already got an allow any any
06:20 < genr8_> then you did somethin wrong
06:20 <+JollyRgrs> obvi
06:21 < genr8_> make sure you uncheck "block private networks" on the interface
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> unchecked
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> so client gets dhcp settings just fine
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> but can't ping even the gateway
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> so i have opt1 on 10.10.1.0/24
06:23 < genr8_> you need a route
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> i get IP just fine at 10.10.1.110... but i can't ping 10.10.1.1
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> yeah i think so
06:23 < genr8_> oh wtf
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> but why?
06:25 < genr8_> maybe somethin with the captive portal
06:25 <+JollyRgrs> i turned it off for now just to test internet
06:29 <+JollyRgrs> i'm wondering if it is b/c OPT1 is on vlan2
06:30 < genr8_> well gl cause that doesnt make sense
06:33 <+JollyRgrs> yeah
06:33 <+JollyRgrs> i'm pretty network dum
06:33 < voice> you say its a /24 but is it really a /24
06:34 <+JollyRgrs> ... yeah?
06:34 < enix> Can I ask a question without judgement
06:34 <+JollyRgrs> don't ask me no matrix questions man
06:35 <+JollyRgrs> enix: no, but go ahead anyways
06:35 <+JollyRgrs> :P
06:35 <@cryptic1> lol
06:35 <+JollyRgrs> no guarantees of no judgement can be made here
06:35 <+voice> that moment when you find out its really a /25
06:36 < misspwn> JollyRgrs, i think when you make it known that you're network dumb you won't get flooded with matrix questions
06:36 < enix> So I mean... idk how to create a subnet in the grand scheme of things
06:36 < enix> I can configure a port, setup a block in DHCP etc
06:36 <+JollyRgrs> misspwn: lol
06:36 < misspwn> that's why i like being in here
06:36 < misspwn> i am super network dum
06:36 < enix> But the actual action of ... creating a subnet..?
06:36 < misspwn> when yall joke about OSI layers it just makes me want 7 layer dip
06:36 <+JollyRgrs> enix: you pull it out of your ass :P
06:36 < misspwn> create subnet by usin calculator because fuck all that
06:36 < enix> So do I have to configure the port on my switch for that subnet?
06:37 <+voice> Cisco demands you know subnetting for their certs, sidestepping the fact subnet-claculator.com exists :P
06:37 < misspwn> my cicso class did not allow subnet calculator
06:37 <+voice> they expect you to do it in your head, yes
06:37 < misspwn> i had a 98% in the class and after my final i had a 70.1% so i barely passed and then dropped out
06:38 <+voice> enix, only if the port defines the network / is a svi port
06:38 < enix> oh shit okay so I need to configure a vlan on my switch
06:38 < enix> Then tie it to my port that my esxi server is on
06:38 < enix> whats svi?
06:38 <+voice> switched virtual interface, iirc
06:38 <+JollyRgrs> also, i had a great teacher that talked about how to figure out subnetting using binary octets
06:38 < misspwn> i dropped out because i didn't want to continue doing network engineering. and i failed math. but mostly because i didn't want to have that same professor for other cisco classes. once in the middle of a config he shut down all the power. i lost my config and walked out
06:39 <+JollyRgrs> it made it so stinkin simple
06:39 < misspwn> also it's cisco bleh i really like watchguard
06:39 < genr8_> it is :/
06:39 < enix> Okay so I'm going to need to configure a new vlan, add the port that my hypervisor connects to, and trunk it over to a management vlan or something
06:39 < genr8_> 255, 254, 252, 248, 240, 224, 192, 128, 0
06:40 < genr8_> 1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256
06:40  * misspwn slides JollyRgrs some osi model dip
06:40 < enix> misspwn: you'd know more than me
06:41 < misspwn> enix, whuat?
06:41 < enix> about networking
06:41 <+voice> just remember its a series of tubes
06:41 < misspwn> i know how to use the firewall manager to monitor traffic and shit
06:42 < genr8_> what was the weirdest or most complicated subnet anyones ever seen in actual use ?
06:42 < misspwn> but if you ask me about race routes or iptables or dns man
06:42 < misspwn> fuck outta here
06:42 < misspwn> race/trace
06:42 < genr8_> phew. thought i didnt know somethin
06:42 < misspwn> hah
06:42 < enix> misspwn: dns is simple, happy to help there. iptables is easy as well, but not very well known
06:43 < enix> race routes well... I mean... I'm not familiar with the tendencies of certain cultures to co-inhabit particular neighborhoods
06:43 < genr8_> theyre gonna deprecate iptables
06:43 < misspwn> enix, it's kinda one of those things "escalate that shit" i never spend enough time. i went to school for network engineering because i had no idea an i still kinda have no idea :D
06:43 < enix> genr8_: SHUT YOUR MOUTH WHORE
06:43 <+voice> I remember being told learn networking even if you're just a sys admin, because then when net admins say its not their network causing problems you can point out exactly how its their network causing the problem
06:43 < misspwn> so i rock a partial degree
06:43 < genr8_> lol
06:43 < genr8_> blasphemy
06:44 < enix> voice: I'm net + sys admin
06:44 < enix> I dont know net
06:44 < misspwn> voice, it does feel good to point out those things
06:44 < enix> So basically I'm scizophrenic (however it's spelled)
06:44 < misspwn> i'm a little salty today, i got told by another female user on the phone that she wanted to speak to a real engineer because again she didn't believe me
06:45 < enix> again!?
06:45 < misspwn> i'm not a receptionist and there is nothing wrong with being a receptionist
06:45 < enix> Same person
06:45 <+JollyRgrs> misspwn: just tell her you'd like to speak to her manager b/c you can't believe she's a real employee
06:45 < enix> I feel like we've been here before
06:45 <+JollyRgrs> BOOM!
06:45 < misspwn> naw some diff old lady
06:45 < misspwn> it's like every week mamn
06:45 < enix> misspwn: cunt punt the cunt
06:45 <+voice> you don't just put her on hold for a minute, then take it off "hello this is engineering"
06:45 <+voice> ?
06:45 < misspwn> voice, boss keeps telling me to do that but i know soon as i do, it's gona go straight up
06:45 <+JollyRgrs> 1 minute?
06:45 <+JollyRgrs> that's like a 10 min hold
06:45 <+JollyRgrs> misspwn: straight up to HR!
06:45 < enix> misspwn: you aussie?
06:46 <+voice> JollyRgrs, it makes them feel special
06:46 <+JollyRgrs> tell HR you are offended by their comments
06:46 < genr8_> that sucks
06:46 < misspwn> i'd be supported but it's just drama i don't need so i just remain salty
06:46 < misspwn> one day though i will snap
06:46 < misspwn> feel like maybe she didn't realize she said it that way so trying to give her the benefit of the doubt
06:47 < genr8_> maybe you just gotta use more engineery words
06:47 < enix> genr8_: nah fuck that
06:47 < enix> unless you're dealing with IT literate users, dont bother
06:47 <+voice> just need to start answering the phone one day like in these commercials https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8L2cI8brzQ
06:47 <+layer-eight> * voice →  YouTube → Discover Card - Peggy Customer Service #1 → ⚘ 381,922 ↑ 561 ↓ 23 ✍ 81
06:47 < genr8_> i like to confuse them just enough to keep them at bay
06:47 < misspwn> hahahahaha
06:47 < enix> I use the most basic of ways to explain things to users whenever possible. "The doohiky here had an issue so I've reset the server thingo and we're good" aka the eftpos wasn't working because we had a brown out and the core switch rebooted
06:47 < genr8_> give them somethin to chew on
06:48 < enix> Then they call the next week like "the doohiky is doing that thingo again" and i'm like "yeah no worries it'll be good in five minutes" boom problem solved
06:48 < genr8_> ooga booga
06:48 < misspwn> i'd say most of the time it's pretty good. and i gave them slack for first monthor two only because i was new and they never talked to me so technically i could see why there would be confusion
06:49 < misspwn> now it's just grinding my soul
06:49 < genr8_> server broke. u fix
06:49 < genr8_> me want cookie
06:49 < misspwn> i fix your damn problem carroll
06:49 < misspwn> it wasn't a firewall problem, you were putting the website in bing
06:49 < enix> LOL
06:49 < enix> I didnt need to read that with a mouthful of water
06:49 < genr8_> you blocked bing?
06:49 < misspwn> no
06:50 < enix> You should
06:50 < genr8_> haha
06:50 < genr8_> i thought that would work tho
06:50 < genr8_> ive seen my mom do it
06:50 < enix> Actually my friend blocks Google and forces people to use Bing
06:50 < misspwn> but i get "it's telling me a proxy is blocking" so i went on the firewall, did a nslookup on the website, isolated the IP to see if it was being blocked. i even went on the server and was able to get to the website
06:50 <+JollyRgrs> i read it with a mouth full of water... now i'm entering a wet t-shirt contest
06:50  * JollyRgrs circles his nipples
06:50 < misspwn> all to find out it was being put in bing
06:50 < enix> Bing has some feature that shows whether results are SFW or not
06:50 < enix> He uses that
06:51 < enix> What do you call the doohiky that provides content filtering on the interwebs
06:51 <+JollyRgrs> cockblocker
06:51 < enix> Firewall is basically ip:port (==|!=) allowed
06:56  * enix is changing all our admin usernames to IT
06:56 < enix> so that when I log into things via ssh i type -lit
06:56 < enix> coz every day we lit
06:56 < enix> you can't tell me shit
06:56 < enix> every day we lit
06:56 < enix> every day we lit
06:57 < enix> WOW it's easy to nuke your network
06:57 < enix> "type initialize to wipe your config and reboot your switch"
06:57 < enix> No thank you
07:09 < rpifan> hi
07:10 < enix> hi
07:10 < rpifan> sup enix
07:10 < rpifan> r u a devops
07:10 < enix> I am all the ops tyvm
07:11 < rpifan> tyvm?
07:12 < enix> thank you very much
07:12 < rpifan> well this job interview sent me a devops challenge
07:12 < rpifan> was wondering if i can get some guidance
07:13 < enix> Shoooot
07:14 < rpifan> Please Build Parity from scratch to set up a 3-authority PoA network, the nodes should have
07:14 < rpifan> some sort of monitoring solution in place (hint: ethstats is commonly used, but is lacking in some
07:14 < rpifan> areas)
07:14 < rpifan> Feel free to use whatever tools or frameworks (like ansible, docker-compose or other) to
07:14 < rpifan> accomplish the task. Task is preferably submitted by providing a Github repo with the results.
07:14 < rpifan> This should only take a few hours, but you’re free to take it as far as you like. M
07:15 < enix> holy shit
07:16 < genr8_> im proud of them for giving an actual task
07:16 < enix> rpifan: is this for some block chain role or something
07:16 < enix> So you have to setup some kinda of block chain thing with monitoring in place
07:17 < rpifan> yea parity is some kind of ethereum fork, but i dont get it, cant i just install these things on 3 vms add promethus node exporter grafan and be done?
07:19 < enix> Yeah but i think they want you to do it via ansible or something
07:19 < enix> rpifan: I'm being 100% serious about this; can you PLEASE document what you do and send it to me
07:21 < rpifan> 1) why 2) so what approach should i take to this?
07:22 < enix> So I can learn from you
07:22 < enix> lol
07:22 < enix> I've never done anything related to block chain and it's on my list
07:23 < genr8_> idk anythin about that
07:23 < enix> https://wiki.parity.io/Docker
07:23 <+layer-eight> * enix →  Docker · Parity Ethereum Documentation
07:24 < rpifan> but do i have to use docker? it says i can use ansible
07:24 < enix> yeah  but parity has half the work done for you
07:24 < enix> lol
07:24 < enix> through docker
07:24 < rpifan> so whats the other half
07:25 < genr8_> linking them, getting output and monitoring them
07:26 < rpifan> what do u rec for monitoring
07:26 < rpifan> genr8_, im 90 percent going to bisco
07:26 < genr8_> ya same
07:27 < rpifan> can u do my devops homework at bisco
07:27 < genr8_> haha. i think thats gonna be impossible
07:28 < rpifan> y
07:28 < genr8_> they dont exactly mix
07:29 < genr8_> last time i forgot how to use my cell phone. couldnt see it or read it, was upside down half the time
07:29 < rpifan> dont forget steve jobs came up wht the lisa on acid
07:29 < enix> wtf is bisco
07:30 < rpifan> bsico is drugs
07:30 < genr8_> the best you can hope for is to come up with a sick new idea
07:30 < rpifan> id rather my idea be healthy lol
07:35 < genr8_> its gonna be weird talking with you about the deepest darkest sysadmin shit and prolly other ppl gonna be like wtf those guys speakin their own language or somethin
07:36 < rpifan> presumeably ill find u
07:36 < rpifan> but who knows
07:36 < rpifan> ill be selling chese sandiwches tho
07:36 < genr8_> then ill find you
07:36 < genr8_> i cant go without grilled cheese
07:36 < rpifan> plz bring liquor
07:37 < rpifan> these guys seem pretty cool
07:37 < rpifan> they wanted me to volunteer for peach fest the week after as well
07:37 < genr8_> i doubt thats gonna be able to pull that off. and i hate liquor so no point
07:37 < rpifan> https://www.starbucks.de/about-us/career-center?yid=568
07:37 <+layer-eight> * rpifan →  Arbeiten bei Starbucks: Vom Barista bis zum Manager | Starbucks Coffee Company
07:37 < genr8_> best you can do is like boxed wine
07:38 < rpifan> ive been listening to sts9 recently
07:38 < rpifan> i like it
07:38 < genr8_> disco biscuits is good live
07:38 < rpifan> i want drugs tho
07:39 < genr8_> i want free money too.. not gonna happen
07:40 < rpifan> isnt bisco full of drugs
07:40 < rpifan> i think being DRY is a nice mix
07:40 < genr8_> ppl do get arrested tho
07:41 < genr8_> theres still rules, just everyones bending them at their own risk
07:42 < genr8_> especially where it is now theres probably like definite no-no areas
07:42 < rpifan> what do u mean?
07:43 < genr8_> theyre gonna catch obvious ppl being dumb in the highly public areas
07:43 < rpifan> u syaing i cant smoke a joint?
07:44 < genr8_> you can but not in the main arena unless you hide it
07:44 < genr8_> everywhere else fine
07:44 < rpifan> hmm
07:44 < rpifan> at bonaroo they said smoke at centeroo
07:44 < genr8_> and
07:45 < genr8_> its not the same tho
07:45 < genr8_> theres an inside area
07:45 < genr8_> its like any other concert, theres gonna be security posted up
07:45 < genr8_> if they can stop you they will
07:46 < rpifan> have u been to roo?
07:46 < genr8_> yea
07:46 < rpifan> so hows it compare
07:46 < genr8_> have you seen the map of this place tho
07:47 < genr8_> either you're in the campsite tent area or you're in the waterpark area or the theatre area and its not much room to move around
07:47 < rpifan> i havent seen a map
07:48 < genr8_> they got security on lock and ontop of that, its harder to get in and out with shit because they got checkpoints
07:49 < genr8_> anything shady is gonna be goin on in the tents im presuming
07:49 < genr8_> camping
07:49 < genr8_> like under someones tent
07:49 < rpifan> well im going with a vendor
07:49 < rpifan> at 'roo
07:49 < rpifan> vendors were vips basically
07:49 < genr8_> thats good i guess
07:50 <+JollyRgrs> ok, got most of my stuff figured out
07:50 <+JollyRgrs> how to figure out why captive portal isn't just redirecting automagically
07:50 < genr8_> last old bisco in 2011 i made friends with one of the volunteers and we chilled for most of a day
07:51 < rpifan> so r u a dirty hippie then
07:51 < rpifan> going to roo and shit
07:51 < enix> omg nine minutes till ig ohome
07:51 < genr8_> maybe
07:52 < rpifan> where else u gone
07:52 < genr8_> nothin else i dont think
07:53 < rpifan> i mean it cant be so bad that i cant smoke a fucken joint
07:53 < rpifan> i mean id have to buy weed first lol
07:54 < genr8_> if youre all alone and they catch you, sure it could
07:54 < genr8_> or if youre within like 10 feet of a security
07:54 < genr8_> theyre lookin for worse shit tho
07:54 < rpifan> what worse shit
07:55 < genr8_> glass is absolutely banned
07:55 < genr8_> any obvious drug dealers
07:55 < rpifan> thats what they siad at roo
07:55 < rpifan> idk if ppl get arrested for minor stuff or they just get fines that was what it was at roo
07:56 < genr8_> thats why you gotta get the boxed wine
07:56 < rpifan> oooorrrrr
07:56 < rpifan> fireball
07:56 < rpifan> boxed fireball
07:56 < rpifan> i took a handle of plastic rum to roo
07:56 < rpifan> never buying that shit again
07:56 < genr8_> remember its gonna be impossible to bring shit in cause you only can carry like 2 bags
07:56 < genr8_> i still dont get how that works
07:57 < rpifan> plus it was so nasty
07:57 < rpifan> uh
07:57 < rpifan> i bring all my shit in two bags
07:57 < rpifan> im an expert, remember i dont drive anywhere
07:57 < genr8_> true
07:57 < rpifan> the second bag was a little heavy
07:57 < rpifan> but i can survive
07:58 < rpifan> after having gone thru roo
07:58 < rpifan> i cant imagine securit will be any worse
07:58 < rpifan> security at oke was amzingly good
07:59 < genr8_> well i dont have to worry about it.
08:00 < rpifan> i thought u did drugs
08:01 < rpifan> i kept u to hand me a joint at least
08:02 < rpifan> expect
08:02 < genr8_> as long as im not the one bringin anything through security
08:03 < genr8_> what happens in bisco stays in bisco. they just control the border
08:04 < rpifan> yea exactly
08:04 < rpifan> i wanna meet the bunk police ppl
08:05 < genr8_> theyre a secretive bunch
08:05 < rpifan> yea
08:05 < rpifan> well apparently ive been listening to bassnectar
08:05 < rpifan> and im like thats not bad lol
08:06 < genr8_> good
08:06 < genr8_> i go for the music, not the drugs
08:06 < rpifan> i go for the drugs not the music
08:06 < rpifan> lol
08:06 < genr8_> and the rest of the festival feeling
08:06 < rpifan> i think if i did drugs
08:06 < rpifan> id like basnectar
08:06 < rpifan> i go for the festie vibe 100 percent
08:06 < rpifan> i dont really like most of the artists at most of the fests
08:07 < rpifan> i hope i have a good time like i did at oke
08:07 < rpifan> roo was really meh
08:07 < genr8_> what about Thursday lineup. you know anyone on that list
08:07 < genr8_> this has taken the channel over and im sorry
08:08 < genr8_> pm me
08:08 < rpifan> nothing else is happening atm
08:08 <+JollyRgrs> 90% ready for captive portal :)
08:08 < rpifan> were keeping it alive
08:08 <+JollyRgrs> but 2am, time for sleep
08:08 < rpifan> who u gonna captiave
08:08 <+JollyRgrs> g'nite kids
08:08 < genr8_> nn
08:08 <+JollyRgrs> rpifan: my bro in law and other lawless visitors that my wife thinks deserves to get wireless conenction at my house
08:08 < rpifan> loool
08:08 < rpifan> i too have a bro in lo
08:09 < rpifan> ive applied to at least 30 companies on angel list today
08:09 < rpifan> ive run out of jobs to apply for on indeed berlinstartuojobs moberries
08:10 < genr8_> was that assignment from a german company?
08:10 < genr8_> Parity
08:12 < rpifan> yea
08:14 < rpifan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GZYJiOPW1w&index=6&list=RDmWkfkHOb4P0
08:14 <+layer-eight> * rpifan →  YouTube → Playlist: Mix - STS9 - When the Dust Settles → 26 videos → Bassnectar - Underwater (feat. Tina Malia) [OFFICIAL] → ⚘ 2,259,353 ↑ 13,061 ↓ 410 ✍ 1,289
08:14 < rpifan> im surprised this song is actually good
08:18 < rpifan> im turning into a big wook
08:39 < rpifan> wkae up ppl
08:50 < Casteil> it really frustrates me to see comments on tutorial videos
08:51 < Casteil> "Nice, but can you do it with ____?"
08:51 < rpifan> why
08:51 < rpifan> dont read
08:51 < Casteil> i.e. "can you do this for me instead of figuring out how to take what you've already shown and adapt it slightly?"
08:53 < Casteil> just makes me rage a bit
08:53 < Casteil> especially when the tutorial showed how to do it with what they're asking
08:53 < rpifan> a raging boner?
08:53 < Casteil> "can you make a version using json as the data source?"
08:53 < Casteil> you dumb mother fucker it DOES use json as a data source
08:54 < rpifan> well
08:54 < rpifan> then dont watch vidoes for noobs
09:00 < DrEmmettBrown> heyo
09:01 < rpifan> hi
12:01 < Atmaks> Guys, this is killing me. I can't set up a SAMBA share inside my home folder on Centos 7. It works perfectly fine when the folder is in root (like /srv/samba), but /home/user/dummy_parent_folder/share gives "Permission denied" on Windows. All permissions and SELinux stuff are the same on both folders (0775 nobody:nobody samba_share_t). Please, help!
12:46 < Tzunamii> Greetings
12:47 < Katnip> Tsunami ?
14:00 < estranger> Too early for samba :D
14:01 < m4221> Hey anyone around?
14:01 < estranger> Some
14:01 < m4221> Sup? estranger
14:02 < estranger> Living the dream
14:02 < m4221> I resolved quite a mystery yesterday right at 5:01pm EDT yesterday
14:03 < m4221> IE11 was defaulting to IE7 mode for one site.  $srSysAdmin left a group policy setting in place for that site but forgot to removd it
14:04 < m4221> On a hunch, I imaged a new pc to see if it was any of our policy stuff
14:10 < tenthshift> nice m4221
14:21 < L3gacy> Time to get nakies and code!
14:27 < m4221> Hey tenthshift
14:27 < L3gacy> m4221, wassup?
14:27 < tenthshift> sup m4221
14:30 < m4221> tenthshift: some id10ts do not understand why tickets are required
14:33 < m4221> Hey CheckDavid
14:34 < L3gacy> m4221, this is why the make the flamberge and main gauche
14:34 < L3gacy> My COPD cough is getting worse
15:01 < Katnip> cough up a lung :)
15:10 < L3gacy> I may
15:10 < L3gacy> It's progressive, by definition
15:33 < Katnip> i was kidding
16:45 < javi404> is it even worth upgrading vmware these days?
16:45 < javi404> I feel like I should just throw all my VMs on a laptop and run it in virtual box
16:55 < L3gacy> Client had me swap the TOP (Palm rest) of her HP laptop to replace the keyboard.  She DROPPED IT into the bag while plugged in and SMASHED the DC Jack.  Is now crying she needs it FIXED TODAY....  Like legit literally bawling.
16:56 < L3gacy> She sent me a pic of the jack AND the DC charger.  BOTH are smashed.  She is on FIXED income and cant afford a new DC pack.
16:56 < L3gacy> It's $80 at Best Buy...
17:19 < Holo> for those who are board as F and want to burn scammers time 18443951591 (supposedly Microsoft)
17:24 < javi404> L3gacy: let her cry and learn
17:26 < javi404> Hola, call them from their own number using Twilio
17:35 < strive> So, is it typical to work help desk for a couple of years and then move up to sys admin? I doubt I'll get a sys admin job with only an A+ and red hat certified sysadmin knowledge.
17:46 <+JollyRgrs> yes
17:47 <+JollyRgrs> it is typical to start from the bottom
17:47 < strive> JollyRgrs: Thanks.
17:47 <+JollyRgrs> doesn't have to be first-call helpdesk PW reset or phone support to put in a ticket... but fixing printer jams and reimaging, replacing keyboards, installing $random software, etc.
17:48 <+JollyRgrs> in my experience, there's a lot of good experience to gain from that
17:48 <+JollyRgrs> it will help you understand better when you become a sysadmin how your changes affect end users
17:48 <+JollyRgrs> which will keep complaints down and bosses happy with you
17:48 < L3gacy> Welcome!
17:48 < L3gacy> You've got fail!
17:48  * L3gacy rolls more time in LFR
17:49 < strive> JollyRgrs: Great points made.
17:49 < L3gacy> JollyRgrs, do any gaming, by any chance?
17:49 <+JollyRgrs> just don't become one of those helpdesk lyfers
17:49 <+JollyRgrs> L3gacy: i do, i talk about it in here all the time :P
17:49 < L3gacy> which games?
17:49 < strive> JollyRgrs: Haha, no way.
17:50 <+JollyRgrs> mostly RL with a sprinling of fortnite and usually the new battlefield... or if battlefront ever fixes its squad spawning
17:50 <+JollyRgrs> strive: i've seen some hit their 15 yr anniv at a company... all 15 yrs at desktop support
17:50 <+JollyRgrs> made me sad, nearly shed a tear
17:50 < L3gacy> Working $HELLDESK, It's a good thing I'm on antipsychotics
17:51 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: that's disgusting
17:51 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: ikr?
17:51 < coderphive> We don't keep juniors past a year
17:51 < coderphive> If you stay at junior level, sucks fo you
17:51 < L3gacy> If you stay at JR level, you go to unemployment line :P
17:52 < coderphive> si
17:52 < strive> JollyRgrs: Whaaat! With all of that experience; they'd make awesome sys admins?
17:52 < coderphive> strive: not really
17:52 < strive> I guess not...
17:52 < strive> heh
17:52 < coderphive> Desktop Support != sysadmin
17:52 < coderphive> Desktop Support _can_ be intro to systems
17:52 <+JollyRgrs> strive: yeah, no way
17:52 < strive> I mean, 15  years desktop support could make the transition easier.
17:52 <+JollyRgrs> they usually aren't the "best tech" of the group
17:52 < coderphive> ^
17:52 < strive> Oh..
17:53 <+JollyRgrs> good enough (debateable) to not get fired
17:53 < strive> I understand.
17:53 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: Congrats on management you disgusting thing
17:53 < coderphive> btw
17:53 <+JollyRgrs> but 15 yrs means 15 yrs of never being good enough for a promotion... or not caring to apply for one
17:53 < strive> lol
17:53 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: lol, thanks
17:53 <+JollyRgrs> i made a move on friday, though
17:53 < coderphive> o
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> i asked to take over the imaging team as i saw it was being assigned to a counterpart of mine (along with a long list of things)
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> i'm like "um... shouldn't we distribute those things? i'll take imaging"
17:54 < coderphive> absorb all the responsibilities
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> so at least i'll have a mgmt of a techincal thing as well
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> nah, i gotta be careful
17:54 < coderphive> Do you work in a DC?
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> no
17:54 < strive> My route of choice: Help desk > Junior sysadmin (Windows or Linux or both) -> Senior sysadmin (preferably Linux, will consider both Win/Lin)
17:54 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: i'm no longer nation wide bad... i'm global, fool
17:54 < coderphive> lol wow
17:55 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: haha
17:55 <+JollyRgrs> strive: very high level, sounds about right
17:55 < strive> JollyRgrs: :)
17:55 < coderphive> strive: Why stop at administration doe
17:55 <+JollyRgrs> if you CAN... pick a place that will take you in as helldesk that has jr/sr spots for sysadmin
17:55 < coderphive> aim high my mans
17:55 < strive> JollyRgrs: Great idea. Noted.
17:55 <+JollyRgrs> and yeah, don't stop at sr sysadmin... unless you are but only so good
17:56 < coderphive> idk where my career will end up
17:56 < strive> coderphive: Well, what's after that? sys engineer of some sort?
17:56 < coderphive> probably with me losing my mind
17:56 <+JollyRgrs> larger companies will have more room to take on juniors from helpdesk
17:56 < coderphive> strive: yes, engineering
17:56 <+JollyRgrs> smaller SMBs you'll be 1 man shop, or get no real guidance and mentoring
17:56 < strive> True.
17:56 <+JollyRgrs> engineer, architect
17:56 <+JollyRgrs> etc
17:56 < coderphive> strive: engineering is a very different world from administration
17:56 <+JollyRgrs> grand pubah
17:57 <+JollyRgrs> bbiaf
17:57 < strive> That sounds like a major responsibility I'd like to uphold - engineering an entire enterprise.
17:57 < coderphive> more night and day than helpdesk -> admin
17:57 < strive> coderphive: Oh..
17:57 < coderphive> strive: nah
17:57 < coderphive> calculated risk and more drugs/booze
17:57 < strive> hahaha
17:57 < coderphive> Shut down BGP nodes
17:57 < coderphive> etc
17:58 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: I think this will be my last round in management
17:58 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: I think I'll go the Fellow route
18:00 < strive> Thanks for the advice fellas.
18:00 < coderphive> np
18:00 < strive> I've applied to help desk and linux sys admin jobs, but no bites. /me shrugs
18:00 < strive> Hm, I may have to brighten up my resume.
18:01 < coderphive> Help desk will generally pick people up with zero experience
18:01 < coderphive> Linux requires you being able to pass in interview in most junior roles
18:01 < strive> I'm in the middle of a career change: forklift operator -> IT
18:01 < strive> I don't have experience in a work environment.
18:01 < coderphive> Though, I got a friend a job with zero linux experience in systems engineering where they comitted to teaching him
18:01 < strive> But, I have studied for about 3 years now on all sorts of things.
18:01 < coderphive> strive: that's okay
18:02 < coderphive> I went from the usmc => software engineering
18:02 < m4221> Herro
18:02 < strive> See, I have the drive to take on a position and learn all that I can.
18:02 < strive> coderphive: Bad ass. Thanks for your service!
18:02 < m4221> coderphive: sir, I am a maggot sir!
18:02 < XV8> Another thing is they will want you to have experience with certain brands or platforms, like for example, if they are a Solaris shop, they will ask you how to use Integrated Lights Out Manager (ILOM) and whatnot.
18:02 < coderphive> strive: my service was selfish :P
18:03 < coderphive> XV8: tbh, I don't believe in interviewing people like that
18:03 < strive> Not sure I can understand that. You did it for yourself and not for your country?
18:03 < m4221> coderphive: but was it silent?
18:03 < coderphive> XV8: but you're right that could happen
18:03 < coderphive> strive: mostly
18:03 < coderphive> 2008 market meltdown, lost my job that I was using to pay for college
18:03 < XV8> Usually I get asked about certain proprietary software products and whatnot at interviews.
18:03 < coderphive> verge of homelessness... etc
18:03 < strive> Ah, I see.
18:03 < strive> Well, thanks anyway.
18:04 < strive> I almost signed up myself.
18:04 < m4221> I saw First Purge last night.  It had clear political overtones
18:04 < coderphive> strive: not that I didn't do the thing. 1 year long tour in afghan
18:04 < coderphive> strive: so uncle sam and I are square
18:04 < strive> Yea...that's nothing...
18:04 < strive> ONly risking your life an entire year...
18:04 < coderphive> haha
18:04 < XV8> m4221 I thought the last few purge movies had that in general
18:05 < strive> I've got buddies in national guard.
18:05 < coderphive> XV8: I prefer to ask people what their favorite platform is and tell me about what some interesting things they've done are
18:05 < strive> That's a good one.
18:05 < XV8> "I broke it and somehow got it working again. I forgot what I did."
18:05 < coderphive> XV8: like, I run a debian shop; lots of great engineers from centos/fedora though
18:05 < strive> I could probably ramble on.
18:06 < m4221> XV8: I give it a 3/5
18:06 < m4221> I saw Uncle Drew this week too
18:06 < coderphive> If you come from RedHat I grill you doe
18:06 < coderphive> facts
18:06 < coderphive> Maybe some low-key shaming
18:06 < XV8> I work in a RHEL/SUSE Enterprise/Solaris shop.
18:07 < coderphive> low-key af tho, cause I still want your skills
18:07 < strive> I studied entirely for the RHCSA exam, but have not sat for it.
18:07 < coderphive> XV8: yeah you're like
18:07 < coderphive> XV8: the devil
18:07 < XV8> ;)
18:07 < m4221> I give it a 4.5/5 for the human aspect of it and that it promoted being genuine with people
18:07 < coderphive> XV8: do you even free software bro?
18:07 < XV8> I don't have control over what I'm authorized to run unfortunately. Compliance etc etc.
18:08 < coderphive> "Hi my name is RedHat, I charge a billion dollars for my certs and bought this great FOSS project called CoreOS and wrapped it into my proprietary offering bc I'm a dirtbag and hate FOSS"
18:08 < coderphive> XV8: haha I know
18:08 < coderphive> XV8: just jabs
18:09 < m4221> My boss hates FOSS
18:09 < strive> ?
18:09 < coderphive> not uncommon
18:09 < XV8> I almost talked my previous employer into paying for my RHCSA. Almost.
18:09 < strive> It isn't to bad.
18:10 < coderphive> When I came to this company they never used the word FOSS, but like 99% of the company was FOSS
18:10 < strive> lol
18:10 < coderphive> so I did the dirtbag thing and made them comply with licenses haha
18:10 < strive> JollyRgrs & coderphive Thanks for your inputs! Newborn calls...
18:10 < m4221> I go to my German Longsword class in an hour ^_^
18:10 < coderphive> strive: np, have fun!
18:11 < Alternity> goddam i'im awesome
18:11  * XV8 is setting up a CentOS cluster in his homelab setup as we speak
18:11 < Alternity> upgraded our Jira instance in <1hr
18:11 < Alternity> after update and reconfiguration service ran successfully on first boot
18:11 < Alternity> next step is to automate future upgrades
18:11 < adamb> 5 minutes to upgrade, 55 minutes for the process to start?
18:12 < adamb> I, too, Jira
18:12 < Alternity> sadly the previous admin ran jira on windows because he hates life
18:12 < Alternity> now that our jira instance is updated next move will be migration to linux
18:13 < coderphive> Alternity: real engineers load balance an already upgraded JIRA instance with Canary
18:13 < coderphive> RIP
18:13 < coderphive> (obvious use of no true scotsman is no true scotsman)
18:14 < Alternity> does that work?  not sure if jira updates change db schema
18:14 < coderphive> Sometimes
18:14 < coderphive> Generally you have to do scripted migrations
18:14 < m4221> I get to upgrade IBM SKLM software next week
18:15 < coderphive> That's what we have to do with Kube
18:16 < coderphive> so I started charging all my extraneous bullshit to my credit card to track my frivolous spending
18:16 < coderphive> I'm only wasting like $800 a month
18:16 < coderphive> not bad
18:17 < Alternity> coderphive: https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/
18:17 <+layer-eight> * Alternity →  financial independence / early retirement
18:17 < m4221> Alternity: you're fired
18:18 < Alternity> sweet, time to cash in all that PTO time
18:18 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: the "Fellow" route?
18:18 <+JollyRgrs> anyone here setup wildcard certs from letsencrypt using ACME in pfsense?
18:18 < m4221> Alternity: we forfeit ours at termination
18:18 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: Fellow is like the new architect, but equal with Director level positions just more technical
18:18 < Alternity> m4221: the fuck, is that legal?
18:19 <+JollyRgrs> m4221: that's illegal....
18:19 < Alternity> i know it is with 'unlimited' PTO
18:19 <+JollyRgrs> PTO is part of your benefits package
18:19 < Alternity> XV8: pay for just the test or for training?
18:20 < XV8> Alternity the test itself.
18:20 < Alternity> they wouldn't shell out $400? cheap fucks
18:24 < XV8> Alternity Wasn't them, I decided I was going to work somewhere where I'd be paid what I was worth.
18:24 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: not entirely
18:24 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: unlimited PTO = no pay out
18:26 < ebol4> lots of places already don't pay out
18:26 <+JollyRgrs> yeah, if it is unlimited you might as well not even have any
18:26 < ebol4> like my employer!
18:26 <+JollyRgrs> but if it is acrued PTO, you definitely get that back, or else illegal
18:26 < ebol4> not in NYC
18:26 <+JollyRgrs> is that NY law?
18:26 < ebol4> yep
18:26 <+JollyRgrs> that's trash
18:27 <+JollyRgrs> i didn't need another reason to not move to NY... but there's another one anyways
18:27 < m4221> JollyRgrs: It is part of the company policy
18:28 <+JollyRgrs> https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/labor-employment-law/human-resources-law/vacation-time-after-leaving-an-employer.html
18:28 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  Do You Get Vacation Pay if You Quit - Lawyers.com
18:28 <+JollyRgrs> "Many states require employers to pay employees for their unused vacation or PTO when they leave the company."
18:28 <+JollyRgrs> no federal law, but many states do
18:28 < coderphive> yeap
18:29 < coderphive> I love unlimited PTO though
18:29 <+JollyRgrs> yeah, i bet
18:29 <+JollyRgrs> but that can be a trap
18:29 <+JollyRgrs> just like WFH can be a trap
18:29 < coderphive> We actually track PTO and enforce minimums
18:29 <+JollyRgrs> unlimited PTO means you might actually take less
18:29 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: _can_
18:29 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: as a rule, engineers generally don't take much vacay
18:30 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: hence we enforce a minimum number of days you _must_ take
18:30 < coderphive> Especially as projects roll
18:32 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: also, Texas is at will employment, so we don't suffer complications from that
18:52 < IonutVan_> should I buy an Samsung Gear S3 Classic these days? or should I go with  android wear for example Ticwatch E Shadow. But this last one doesn't look so elegant as the S3
18:56 <+JollyRgrs> pixel watches are about to come out
18:56 <+JollyRgrs> i'd wait and see
18:56 <+JollyRgrs> android wear i think is EOL, right?
19:04 < IonutVan_> no idea about EOL
19:06 < adamb> probably doesn't matter what you buy, unless you expect google to support a watch for longer than they support their phones
19:08 < IonutVan_> adamb, so this means that is netter s3?
19:08 < IonutVan_> :)
19:08 < IonutVan_> better*
19:13 < adamb> I don't really know, it was mostly fanboy bait :)
19:14 < adamb> I was hoping for a lecture from someone on the android ecosystem
19:14 <+JollyRgrs> lol
19:14 <+JollyRgrs> tbh, i just don't agree with samsung stuff
19:14 <+JollyRgrs> it nearly checks all the boxes for why i don't like apple
19:15 <+JollyRgrs> samsung stuff is great if you buy into their full ecosystem
19:15 <+JollyRgrs> ("great" is subjective and may not be how i feel even if i was "all in")
19:15 <+JollyRgrs> generally the more open to standards it is, the longer/better support
19:22 <+JollyRgrs> ugh, i hate this stuff... now i gotta setup dnssec to let pfsense update my DNS for letsencrypt?
19:22 <+JollyRgrs> i need a break
19:24 < Holo> lol
19:24 < Holo> JollyRgrs this is why I use a proxy server that handles ALL of that
19:30 <+JollyRgrs> Holo: go on...
19:31 <+JollyRgrs> or you mean you just cert the proxy server?
19:32 < Holo> ya
19:32 < adamb> dnssec shouldn't be a requirement for let's encrypt
19:32 < adamb> well
19:32 < Holo> JollyRgrs for example traefik can auto pull and update certs
19:32 < adamb> dnssec is not because i don't have dnssec
19:32 <+JollyRgrs> Holo: i'm setting up pfsense for this
19:33 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: well, i have to either manually update DNS entries every time i renew, or set something up to do ti automatically
19:33 <+JollyRgrs> right?
19:33 < adamb> oh you're using dns challenge
19:33 < adamb> hm
19:33 <+JollyRgrs> better method?
19:33 < adamb> could you use nsupdate with tsig?
19:33 <+JollyRgrs> i dunno what even tsig is :P
19:34 < adamb> signed dns updates
19:34 <+JollyRgrs> network and DNS isn't my strong suit
19:34 < adamb> https://www.safaribooksonline.com/library/view/dns-bind/0596004109/ch05s23.html
19:34 <+JollyRgrs> that's not what dnssec is?
19:34 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  Sending TSIG-Signed Dynamic Updates - DNS & Bind Cookbook [Book]
19:34 < adamb> noooo
19:34 < adamb> dnssec is signed records
19:34 < Holo> lol no
19:34 < Holo> heh
19:34 <+JollyRgrs> see? i'm not very smart on this stuff
19:34 < adamb> if you just want to update a record use tsig, it's dead easy
19:35 <+JollyRgrs> idon't see any mention of tsig on the method to update
19:35 < adamb> might be called something else, signed updates, keys, words to that effect
19:36 <+JollyRgrs> https://imgur.com/a/5dhjwEH
19:36 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  IMGUR Album → a few seconds ago → 1 Image → ⚘ 0
19:36 <+JollyRgrs> the rest of the list is just more DNS-$service entries
19:36 < adamb> that's it
19:36 < adamb> dns-nsupdate
19:36 <+JollyRgrs> that's what i was looking at
19:37 <+JollyRgrs> something said i had to do dnssec which is how i already have my dhcp updating dns
19:37 < adamb> what is your dns server running? bind?
19:37 <+JollyRgrs> yeah
19:37 < adamb> CentOS?
19:37 <+JollyRgrs> debbie
19:37 < adamb> oh
19:37 < adamb> i know
19:37 <+JollyRgrs> i only have centos on my kvm host, but most of the guests are debian
19:38 < adamb> it's telling you to use dnssec-keygen, right?
19:38 <+JollyRgrs> maybe?
19:38 <+JollyRgrs> i need the nsupdate key contents
19:38 < coderphive> Alright fellers
19:38 < coderphive> I'm out
19:38 <+JollyRgrs> later
19:38 < coderphive> good luck to your environments
19:38 < adamb> you can generate a tsig key with dnssec-keygen
19:38 < adamb> command looks like...
19:38 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: pz
19:39 < adamb> dnssec-keygen -a HMAC-MD5 -b 128 -n HOST example.com.
19:39 < adamb> except don't use MD5
19:39 < adamb> use whatever pf supports that isn't MD5
19:39 <+JollyRgrs> sha512?
19:39 < adamb> that'll do
19:40 < adamb> once you have your key, you plug it into your bind configuration and pf
19:40 < adamb> it's symmetric
19:40 < adamb> config in bind looks like
19:40 < adamb> key example.com. {
19:40 < adamb>     algorithm hmac-md5;
19:40 < adamb>     secret "+Cdjlkef9ZTSeixERZ433Q==";
19:40 < adamb> };
19:41 < adamb> then in your zone definition, add an allow-update {} stanza
19:41 < adamb> key name needs to match on both sides
19:41 <+JollyRgrs> so i need what is in .key and not .private, right?
19:42 <+JollyRgrs> i don't need the actual files, just put the key contents in the bind and pf config?
19:42 < adamb> yes
19:45 <+JollyRgrs> oh, i did my rndc key diff
19:45 < adamb> you can test it's working using nsupdate on any machine too, like...
19:45 <+JollyRgrs> i have an include for the rndc.key file, then just ref that
19:47 < JollyRoger`> Yo-ho shipmates!
19:52 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: so do i need to first create the _acme-challange TXT or will this method create as well as update?
19:53 < adamb> you can create with an update
19:53 < adamb> and delete
19:53 <+JollyRgrs> hmm, i broke my config somehow
19:53 < adamb> nsupdate -y "keyname:keysecret"
19:53 < adamb> if you want to play with the cli
19:54 < adamb> manually
19:54 < adamb> "Use of the -y option is discouraged because the shared secret is supplied as a command line argument in clear text."
19:54 < adamb> so make sure no North Koreans are watching your terminal
19:56 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: oh... i can't define two "allow-update" i guess?
19:56 <+JollyRgrs> so i need to put both things inside of the one allow update brackets?
19:57 <+JollyRgrs>      allow-update { key rndc-key; };
19:57 <+JollyRgrs>      allow-update { key pfsense-key; };
19:57 <+JollyRgrs> so i need to make that 1 allow-update statement?
19:57 <+JollyRgrs>      allow-update { key rndc-key; key pfsense-key;};
19:58 <+JollyRgrs> does that work?
19:58 < adamb> try it and see
19:58 < adamb> I've not got a zone defined with more than one key
19:58 <+JollyRgrs> woo! i think it worked
19:58 <+JollyRgrs> at least the service loaded back up w/o error
19:59 < Holo> JollyRgrs great now you have to do this every 3 months
19:59 <+JollyRgrs> so now i should be able to run nsupdate -y pfsense-key:[key here] from a host, right?
19:59 < Holo> which is why I went the full blown automated way
19:59 <+JollyRgrs> Holo: that's what i.... thought this was doing?
19:59 <+JollyRgrs> this isn't manual, it'll be using nsupdate method
19:59 <+JollyRgrs> no?
20:00 < Holo> not sure of pfsence can auto do cert updates
20:01 < adamb> JollyRgrs: yup, that should work
20:02 < adamb> it'll drop you to a > prompt then you can run commands like "update add baz.foobar.com 3600 A 127.0.0.1"
20:02 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: when i try the nsupdate -y keyname:key it just gives me the > prompt after it...
20:02 <+JollyRgrs> ok
20:02 < adamb> ^
20:02 <+JollyRgrs> gotcha
20:02 <+JollyRgrs> so that's just logging into 'nsupdate" with the key, not actually updating
20:02 < kepler> pfsense can do it w/ acme cert package
20:03 < adamb> oh and after writing the commands you have to write "send" to execute the changes
20:03 < adamb> https://linux.die.net/man/8/nsupdate
20:03 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  nsupdate(8): Dynamic DNS update utility - Linux man page
20:03 < adamb> see the examples near the end
20:03 < Holo> kepler one of these days I might use pfsence
20:04 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: i get no error, but no update in my .zone file either
20:04 <+JollyRgrs> oh
20:04 <+JollyRgrs> i gotta do "send"
20:04 <+JollyRgrs> don't i?
20:05 <+JollyRgrs> ah, there i go
20:05 <+JollyRgrs> ok, so tsig error, notauth(badkey)... at least that is a start
20:05 < adamb> check the bind log see if it has a better error
20:07 < adamb> oh, include the algo
20:07 <+JollyRgrs> that should be the /var/log/messages right?
20:07 < adamb> hmac-sha512:keyname:keyvalue
20:08 <+JollyRgrs> oh
20:09 <+JollyRgrs> no errors
20:09 < adamb> excellent
20:09 < adamb> real test is if the entry is now in the zone
20:10 <+JollyRgrs> yeah... that's what i was checking
20:10 <+JollyRgrs> not yet...
20:10 <+JollyRgrs> ...
20:10 < adamb> check the bind log then
20:11 <+JollyRgrs> no dice :(
20:12 <+JollyRgrs> i just see standard update from dhcpd
20:12 <+JollyRgrs> so that part is still workign good
20:12 < adamb> did you actually send the update?
20:12 <+JollyRgrs> i typed "send"
20:12 <+JollyRgrs> and i am back at > with no errors
20:13 < adamb> run it again, adding the -d flag
20:13 <+JollyRgrs> add -d?
20:13 <+JollyRgrs> or back to my nsupdate -d -y
20:13 < adamb> yeah
20:13 < adamb> nsupdate -d -y
20:14 <+JollyRgrs> says no errors
20:15 < adamb> that's weird
20:15 < adamb> no extra information?
20:15 <+JollyRgrs> i mean a lot of info
20:15 < adamb> oh
20:15 <+JollyRgrs> but all of them end with "NOERROR 0"
20:15 < adamb> pastebin it, just redact the keys
20:20 <+JollyRgrs> sent paste in pm
20:20 <+JollyRgrs> contoso.com is my home domain... i forget why now (awesome, right?) but i have something linking my public (gapps) domain, contoso2.com in there... if that helps you out reading it
20:21 < adamb> got it
20:22 < adamb> I assume that dns.contoso.com really is the right server?
20:22 < abakedapplepie> lol
20:22 < abakedapplepie> contoso? really? xD
20:22 <+JollyRgrs> :P
20:22 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: yes, that's my bind server
20:22 < abakedapplepie> youre using bind in a windows domain?
20:22 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: obv. i changed the domain for protection
20:22 < abakedapplepie> o.0
20:22 <+JollyRgrs> hahahahaha
20:23 <+JollyRgrs> i'm not running a windows domain... yet
20:23 < abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: oh ok i thought you actually used contoso
20:23 < Alternity> i to name all of my production domanis contoso.com
20:23 <+JollyRgrs> i might be in a lab here
20:23 < Alternity> as per microsoft's own documentation
20:23 < abakedapplepie> Alternity: dont joke about that
20:23 < abakedapplepie> ive run into it at least 4 times
20:23 <+JollyRgrs> Alternity: best practices, right?
20:23 < abakedapplepie> along with a few dozen domain.local
20:23 < Alternity> i mean every microsoft document ever uses contoso.com :D
20:23 < Alternity> must be best practice
20:23 < adamb> JollyRgrs: that's definitely success
20:24 < adamb> bind must be doing something werid
20:24 < adamb> *weird
20:24 <+JollyRgrs> so my contoso.com.zone file should have it in there, right?
20:24 < Alternity> that or the other prfered domain they used to use, domain.local
20:24 < adamb> idk if it'll go into the file
20:24 < adamb> try querying it with dig
20:24 < adamb> or better,
20:24 < adamb> dig @dns.contoso.com AFXR
20:24 < Alternity> abakedapplepie: i feel ya, i think i've run into even more .locals sadly :(
20:25 < abakedapplepie> oh ive run into tons of .locals
20:25 < pcspkr> fuckin .locals
20:25 < abakedapplepie> up until they started officially frowning upon .local its all my company would configure
20:25 < abakedapplepie> D:
20:25 < abakedapplepie> sad sad sad panda
20:25 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: 1 server found
20:25 < abakedapplepie> i need a new job
20:25 <+JollyRgrs> got answer
20:25 <+JollyRgrs> what am i looking for?
20:25 <+JollyRgrs> server IP points to correct server
20:26 < Alternity> abakedapplepie: well it's MS own fault, didn't they recommend .local as best practice until the early 2000s?
20:26 <+JollyRgrs> until stupid bonjour
20:26 < abakedapplepie> Alternity: yeah
20:26 < abakedapplepie> but im talking 2012 2013
20:26 <+JollyRgrs> seems apple ALSO used that practice :P
20:26 < abakedapplepie> right around when i started there is when we finally stopped that
20:26 < Alternity> i posted our windows sysadmin job opening on the sysadmin jobs sub
20:26 < Alternity> guy said it was an 85-90k position
20:26 < abakedapplepie> Alternity: where at
20:26 < Alternity> i'm the sr and i don't even make that much
20:26 <+JollyRgrs> location?
20:26 < Alternity> feelsbadman :D
20:26 <+JollyRgrs> Alternity: ouch
20:27 <+JollyRgrs> time to apply for it yourself? :P
20:27 < adamb> JollyRgrs: for reference, this is a successful update against our infobloxes: https://pastebin.com/pRFTrhHx
20:27 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  > send  Reply from SOA query:  ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN,  - Pastebin.com
20:27 < Alternity> nah, thats high for the job and location
20:27 < abakedapplepie> im looking for a nice windows sysadmin position
20:27 < abakedapplepie> but they dont exist
20:27 < Holo> Alternity the issue is with Avahi
20:27 < Alternity> https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadminjobs/comments/8vv3xc/hiring_windows_system_administrator_asheville_nc/
20:27 <+layer-eight> * Alternity →  [HIRING] Windows System Administrator - Asheville, NC : sysadminjobs
20:28 < Alternity> windows sysadmin position in asheville
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: well, wtf...
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> when i nslookup testing.contoso.com it gives me the right .253 addr
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> so where is it sitting?
20:28 < Holo> Avahi shits itself with ipv6
20:28 < Holo> still
20:28 < adamb> does bind have permission to write to the zone file?
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> is it in that binary .jnl file until it dumps into the .zone file?
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: yeah? remember my dhcpd updates this way all the time
20:28 < adamb> does debian not write to the zone file until the service ends?
20:28 <+JollyRgrs> all i did was setup a new key
20:29 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: possible?
20:29 <+JollyRgrs> i've never updated like this before... normally i just edit the zone file for static entries
20:29 < adamb> well, it's working and that's what counts
20:29 < adamb> maybe restart the service and see if that makes it persist
20:29 <+JollyRgrs> i relaoded service, now it shows
20:30 <+JollyRgrs> yeah
20:30 < adamb> cool
20:30 < adamb> all up and running then
20:30 <+JollyRgrs> now to delete that fake entry :)
20:30 <+JollyRgrs> and keep on truckin
20:30 < Holo> JollyRgrs till 90 days?
20:30 <+JollyRgrs> thanks for all the help adamb... as you can tell, i'm dnsdum so it helps to have a hand to hold onto
20:30 <+JollyRgrs> Holo: wtf is this 90 days about?
20:30 < adamb> no problem
20:31 < Holo> when certs expire
20:31 <+JollyRgrs> i'm using the pfsense Acme plugin
20:31 < Holo> ah cool
20:31 <+JollyRgrs> it should do this for me, that's what i am setting up
20:31 < abakedapplepie> asheville huh
20:31 <+JollyRgrs> that's the whole point of my exercise
20:31 < abakedapplepie> i didnt know there was a whole lot in asheville other than breweries
20:31 < adamb> I can recommend the o'reilly bind book by cricket liu
20:31 < abakedapplepie> lol
20:31 < adamb> even the older editions are still relevant
20:31 < abakedapplepie> has bind really changed much in thje last 20 years
20:32 <+JollyRgrs> adamb: i'd love to... but i learn much better by doing crap like this
20:32 < abakedapplepie> aside from dnssec
20:32 < Holo> some day ill do it at the dns lv
20:32 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i hear that unbound is the new hotness and bind is old and crusty
20:32 <+JollyRgrs> but i dunno
20:32 < abakedapplepie> meh
20:32 < Holo> fir now its a reverse proxy
20:32 < abakedapplepie> fuck new hotness
20:32 < Holo> for*
20:32 < adamb> unbound is old and busted too, it's all about knot dns now
20:32 < abakedapplepie> ill take tried and true over new hotness for at least a minute
20:32 < abakedapplepie> until its not as hot
20:32 < abakedapplepie> lol
20:33 < Alternity> abakedapplepie: it's mostly breweries and hiking trails :)
20:33 < Alternity> there are a few tech startups in the area though
20:33 < abakedapplepie> Alternity: i proposed there
20:33 < abakedapplepie> well, at mt elliott
20:33 < Alternity> haha, you and everyone else
20:33 < Alternity> she say yes?
20:33 < abakedapplepie> but we stayed in asheville
20:33 < abakedapplepie> well of course :)
20:33 < Alternity> my man
20:33 < adamb> tbh though, life is too short for DNS, just throw some money at infoblox
20:33 < abakedapplepie> dude. we drove 14 hours into asheville
20:33 < abakedapplepie> the steering pump grenaded in the hotel parking lot
20:33 < abakedapplepie> what. luck.
20:33 < abakedapplepie> thank god we made it to the hotel
20:33 < Alternity> which hotel?
20:34 < abakedapplepie> i dont recall
20:34 < Alternity> during college i worked at grove park inn
20:34 < Alternity> saw A LOT of weddings
20:34 < Alternity> and proposals
20:34 < abakedapplepie> a marriott property on the western end of the city
20:34 < Alternity> and other stuff..
20:34 < abakedapplepie> right before the highway splits like 6 ways to downtown
20:35 < abakedapplepie> it really sucked because i was planning on proposing the next morning, but we didnt have wheels to go on our smoky mtn drive
20:35 < abakedapplepie> AAA got us patched up in 3 hours, i made it there, and on the way down the mountian it started pouring cats and dogs
20:35 < abakedapplepie> massive storm
20:35 < abakedapplepie> that weekend was a rollercoaster of anxiety
20:36 < abakedapplepie> it rained so hard i had to pull over halfway
20:36 < Alternity> tourist season has been going strong for a few months now
20:37 < Alternity> was downtown at a brewery last night, pretty sure the place was 80% tourists
20:39 < abakedapplepie> some of the breweries are so bad, they must stay in business solely based on tourism
20:39 < abakedapplepie> one world? i think was the name of one in an alley basement
20:39 < abakedapplepie> AWFUL BEER
20:39 < abakedapplepie> awful service too
20:39 < abakedapplepie> and annoying patrons
20:40 < abakedapplepie> i was a huge fanboy of wicked weed
20:40 < abakedapplepie> and they sold to AB right before our trip
20:40 < abakedapplepie> that was a huge letdown
21:20 < L3gacy> wassup, peeps?
21:21 < catbeard> Alternity: around NC?
21:22 < catbeard> abakedapplepie: no biltmore estate?
21:24 < abakedapplepie> catbeard im not rich enough for that
21:24 < abakedapplepie> we used cc rewards points the whole trip
21:27 < Alternity> biltmore estate is meh
21:28 < catbeard> that garden tho, makes ME wet
21:33 < L3gacy> Cant believe I made bank, and blew it at #Regal.  Damn move was $15, and concessions for 2 peeps was 50....
21:36 < genr8__> you gotta go with the $13 nachos, $6 drink, $5 candy
21:36 < genr8__> thats $24 a person
21:40 < genr8__> some 400GBit cisco switches https://youtu.be/WXt2gD4fS_k
21:40 <+layer-eight> * genr8__ →  ⚓  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXt2gD4fS_k&feature=youtu.be → YouTube → World's Fastest Internet - 1.6 TERABITS per Second → ⚘ 40,190 ↑ 3,976 ↓ 66 ✍ 899
21:40 < genr8__> theyre not even maxed out
21:44 < genr8__> Some real behind the scenes on some Devops shit @ Dreamhack LAN right there
21:45 < genr8__> or network ops or w/e
21:49 < adamb> it's mostly just showing off
21:50 < adamb> the big boxes at the bottom of the rack are either mx960's or srx5800's
21:50 < adamb> could run a whole isp of a single one of those, they have more than 1 for a lan party
21:50 < genr8__> its sick gear right
21:50 < genr8__> so sick that the racks arent full
21:51 < genr8__> it must be fun to spend a million dollars on networking gear and then actually use it and make a profit at a LANparty. those ppl in sweden know whats good. I bet a lot of it is "underground" pirate party type stuff
22:01 < Pebbles5> Hello :)
22:02 < Pebbles5> I am new here
22:05 < genr8__> welcome
22:06 < Pebbles5> genr8__: Thanks :)
22:10 < Pebbles5> I was wondering if Fedora, Ubuntu or Debian is better while learning Linux CLI
22:10 < Pebbles5> can anyone please tell me?
22:10 < genr8__> no, its opinion
22:10 < adamb> ubuntu probably has the best community support, but neither is really better
22:11 < genr8__> those are 3 good choices tho
22:11 < genr8__> the 3 best
22:12 < Pebbles5> I want to learn the CLI and how the system works, if I learn Fedora, can I use CentOS in servers?
22:12 < genr8__> yes
22:13 < genr8__> you could pick: A) fedora and centos or B) debian and ubuntu
22:13 < genr8__> idk
22:13 < Pebbles5> Ubuntu seems to be quite a bit different from Debian TBH, especially as far as config files and locations go
22:13 < Pebbles5> then again I am pretty new
22:14 < genr8__> true, but they're more similar to each other than to fedora/centos
22:14 < adamb> ubuntu sometimes make terrible decisions about the packages they have by default
22:15 < adamb> I *think* 18.04 has sorted that though for the time being, as it got rid of unity/upstart etc
22:15 < genr8__> ubuntu has been getting weirder
22:15 < genr8__> my cloud host Vultr, is still on 16.04
22:16 < adamb> money makes companies do strange things, like HEY LETS BUILD OUR OWN WINDOWING SERVER WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS
22:16 < genr8__> they kinda boss the linux community around
22:16 < genr8__> by being huge
22:17 < genr8__> did you hear SuSe got bought for like $2.5 billion
22:17 < adamb> yeah... private equity firm
22:17 < adamb> probably means they'll be asset stripped
22:17 < genr8__> they're gonna get re-structured
22:17 < Pebbles5> is there any pros of using Ubuntu over Debian or CentOS in servers other than the bigger community?
22:18 < adamb> newer packages
22:18 < adamb> more packages
22:18 < adamb> CentOS and debian focus on stability
22:18 < adamb> that comes at a cost of not having the latest and greatest version of things
22:18 < genr8__> ubuntu is that new-new
22:19 < genr8__> debian likes same-same :)
22:20 < adamb> you can install newer versions yourself, but that can be a pain
22:20 < adamb> anything needing rails newer than 2.1 makes me want to /wrists on CentOS
22:21 < Pebbles5> oh, I am confused again now :P
22:22 < adamb> the important thing is to choose one and start poking
22:23 < adamb> you'll learn the same core skills
22:23 < Pebbles5> yep that seem to be the biggest hurdle, "Getting Started"
22:24 < Pebbles5> I think I will go with Fedora for now, as I have already installed it
22:24 < Pebbles5> then I will try out Debian
22:25 < Pebbles5> Thanks guys
22:25 < genr8__> sounds good. gl
22:28 < Holo> I tend to like centos or fedora because the networking is sane
22:28 < Holo> networking on Debian by default sucks
22:29 < Holo> I am talking about sub interfaces and all of that fun
22:29 < Pebbles5> I read somewhere online that upgrading CentOS servers is a pain though
22:29 < adamb> centos doesn't do upgrades really
22:30 < adamb> if you want to switch to a new major release, you reinstall
22:30 < adamb> major releases are only every 5 years or so though
22:30 < Holo> not much of an issue if you containerize
22:30 < AustinS> they upgrade minor releases fine, but yeah 6->7 you may as well just install fresh
22:31 < Holo> transition to another server or plan for a few hrs of downtime
22:31 < adamb> i don't see it as much of a big deal full stop, if you do an upgrade then none of the new features get enabled
22:31 < Holo> or an hr
22:31 < adamb> you miss out on so much
22:31 < Pebbles5> how is Debian when it comes to version upgrades?
22:32 < adamb> they allow major upgrades, but it forces you to manually merge any updated config files
22:32 < adamb> also they're unreliable
22:33 < Pebbles5> oh, thanks
22:37 < Pebbles5> BTW, is there any good books or blogs to get started with System Administration?
22:39 < adamb> there are some good online corses on edx/coursera/pluralsight
22:40 < adamb> like: https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-linux-linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-1
22:40 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  Introduction to Linux | edX
22:42 < Pebbles5> I was looking for some books TBH, something that I can read :)
22:42 < Pebbles5> maybe I should just read the Docs...
22:43 < genr8__> go to barnes n noble. they'll probably have like a few
22:43 < genr8__> when you run out of those you will want something better
22:46 < Pebbles5> so books are a bad idea?
22:46 < genr8__> no but you could die first before you sift through the massive amount of books there are
22:47 < Pebbles5> oh right :P there are so many books
22:47 < genr8__> yea so the idea was just go to the bookstore and see what they have at the current moment. chances are it will suit you
22:48 < genr8__> tech moves too fast for there to have been like a "linux sysadmin bestseller 2018" or something.. maybe im wrong. im not into books like that.
22:48 < Pebbles5> found this one https://www.amazon.com/UNIX-Linux-System-Administration-Handbook/dp/0134277554
22:50 < genr8__> theres probably 2 classes of books... a reference-book like an encyclopedia of sysadmin and then theres like "novel" "sysadmin for dummies" style full length reading
22:51 < genr8__> reviews looked ok
22:52 < genr8__> reading the table of contents - o yeah this has all the topics. plenty of stuff to learn.
22:54 < Pebbles5> Sounds good then :)
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