--- Log opened Mon Jul 09 00:00:31 2018
00:17 <+CheckYourSix> I need to either get an extension cord or figure something else out for power. I need a 3rd plug in the wall for my 3rd UPS and there's nothing close enough except one controlled by a light switch
00:21 < rpifan_> ive lost my cord for my instant pot
00:21 < rpifan_> plz someone send me one
00:31 <+CheckYourSix> How did you lose the cord... isn't it hard wired?
00:45 < genr8_> whats it look like
00:57 <+JollyRgrs> rpifan: i honestly didn't even know the cord detached
00:57 <+JollyRgrs> i never really looked taht close at it, either
01:26 <+JollyRgrs> ok, so my switch in my homelab rack... front or back mount? (air flow of switch is from side to side, so that doesn't make a difference)
01:26 <+A-KO> I like backmount personally, makes cabling easier
01:27 < genr8_> so you can see the cables?
01:27 < misspwn> hi
01:27 <+A-KO> so you can't see the cables :P
01:27 <+JollyRgrs> i was thinking that... but i won't see the blinken lights
01:27 <+A-KO> LOL
01:27 <+JollyRgrs> lol
01:27 < genr8_> hi
01:27 <+JollyRgrs> so another guy had an idea, he has two patch panels... front and back... straight-thru basically
01:27 <+A-KO> hahahaha
01:27 <+A-KO> that's amazing
01:27 <+JollyRgrs> then front is patch frmo swtich to front patch
01:27 <+A-KO> I mean, it works
01:27 <+JollyRgrs> so he can see the blinken... but still have pretty wires
01:29 < genr8_> it also depends what the cable runs coming in look like. if they're already bundled and terminaed into the proper length with end-connectors on, then front cables isnt bad
01:29 <+JollyRgrs> genr8_: right now, it is a hodge podge
01:29 <+JollyRgrs> i've yet to run wires in the attic, so (my wife loves this, btw)... ih ave a few cables along baseboards and occasionally crossing a walkway path
01:29 < genr8_> you can put a patch panel in back where its all janky, and then run 1-2" patch cables from the front to the back
01:30 < genr8_> 1 to 2 FOOT
01:30 < genr8_> like switch facing front + Patch cable facing back with short patch cables in the middle
01:31 <+JollyRgrs> that's what i was talking about earlier
01:31 < genr8_> yea do that
01:31 <+JollyRgrs> how much is it for 2 patch panels i wonder
01:31 < genr8_> a lot but you only need 1 for what im thinking
01:32 < genr8_> actually its a different type of patch panel probably
01:32 <+JollyRgrs> well, it'd be nice to have it pretty on the back, too
01:33 < genr8_> these dont have lights
01:34 <+JollyRgrs> i don't need lights on the patch panel
01:34 <+JollyRgrs> i got those on the switch
01:34 < genr8_> they're cheaper than i thought.
01:35 <+JollyRgrs> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=16078&gclid=CjwKCAjw7IbaBRBqEiwA6AyZguMndTZ2CcfwKCYZbqWbC-nWziRm_6CY52FKjdaCG9WEBTY5lpKq4hoCAXEQAvD_BwE
01:35 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  Monoprice Cat5e FTP 19-inch 1U Patch Panel Dual IDC, 24-port - Monoprice.com
01:35 <+JollyRgrs> $10 frmo monoprice
01:35 <+JollyRgrs> that's not bad at all
01:35 <+JollyRgrs> i'm assuming there's really no diff between that and a cat6 patch panel since they both use 8 contacts on an RJ-45
01:35 < genr8_> yea weird, even have the jacks
01:36 < genr8_> you got a punchdown tool ?
01:38 <+JollyRgrs> i used to... i gotta find it somewhere
01:38 <+JollyRgrs> i used it when i wired up my parents house back in 2004
01:39 < genr8_> found some with a light https://www.ebay.com/itm/Cat-5E-110-Patch-Panel-24-Ports-Rackmount-w-LED-Indicator/322477659527
01:39 <+layer-eight> * genr8_ →  Cat.5E 110 Patch Panel 24 Ports Rackmount w/LED Indicator  | eBay
01:43 <+JollyRgrs> woo! got LE working with a wildcard cert
02:34 < adamb> On a scale of 1 to fucking very, how mad would y'all be if ludicrous fast internet was installed in your town, and a Church forced it to be removed?
02:34 < adamb> https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/8x07ws/community_in_conflict_after_removal_of_openreach/
02:37 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  Community in Conflict After Removal of Openreach Broadband Cabinet : unitedkingdom
02:54 < rpifan> sigh
03:00 < misspwn> cheer up pippen
03:17 < nojeffrey> Is there a company out there that reviews major AV vendors without bias? Something equivelant to iFixit or Backblaze reliability reports Eg. take 20 different samples of malware ranging from driveby shit to fairly stealthy/advanced , see which vendor is most effective in detecting/stopping the infection or spread. So much marketing wank and buzz words around these products.
03:27 < misspwn> we use Webroot and ESET
03:47 < nojeffrey> Yeah? We use Sophos atm, but hard to know which perform better
03:50 < m4221> We use mcafee
03:50 < m4221> :(
03:54 <@cryptic1> stay the fuck away from cisco amp
04:06 <+DrGibby|> did someone say cisco?
04:08 < m4221> DrGibby|: it was cryptic1.  He is the perp.  Now fire him and promote me
04:08 < joelazot> help
04:08 <+DrGibby|> ok
04:08 < joelazot> i need to study
04:08 < joelazot> but i keep getting distracted by games
04:08 <+DrGibby|> stop sucking then
04:09 < joelazot> o
04:11 < joelazot> So i'm getting my r610 tomorrow
04:11 < joelazot> pretty hyped
04:18 < rpifan> the wonders of the internet
04:18 < rpifan> im watchign rodney dangerfield marathons now
04:24 < rpifan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-AAVy0EBNY
04:24 <+layer-eight> * rpifan →  YouTube → Rodney Dangerfield Biography 2012 → ⚘ 842,963 ↑ 0 ↓ 0 ✍ 0 → * Non-embeddable
04:35 <+JollyRgrs> if i have .cer and .key, can i create a p12 pkcs file from it? if so, how?
04:36 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: https://www.ssl.com/how-to/create-a-pfx-p12-certificate-file-using-openssl/
04:36 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Create a .pfx/.p12 certificate file using OpenSSL - SSL.com
04:36  * genr8__ bookmarks that
04:38 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: Most formats you can do just fine by hand, unless they're binary
04:42 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: i got certs from lets encrypt on my pfsense box
04:42 <+JollyRgrs> i got a .cer and .key
04:42 <+JollyRgrs> unificontroller needs pkcs12 i guess
04:43 <+JollyRgrs> i'm failing
04:43 < coderphive> I can't imagine why
04:43 <+JollyRgrs> i dunno
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> i get that
04:44 < coderphive> I guess it depends on what kind of key/cert
04:44 < coderphive> oh, yeah
04:44 < coderphive> hmm
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> so i have to do java -jar lib/ace.jar import_cert and the provide the cert i want to use, plus anything else in the trust
04:44 < coderphive> So the cert generated should support TLS 1.1/1.2 correct?
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> so i'm adding those 3 in
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> hellifiknow
04:44 <+JollyRgrs> i'm dumb on this stuff... learning as i go
04:45 <+JollyRgrs> i'd assume it does
04:45 < coderphive> Yeah, so LetsEncrypt generates a PKCS#10
04:46 <+JollyRgrs> i've seen stuff about #7 and #12... but not #10
04:46 < coderphive> aka CSR
04:46 <+JollyRgrs> what's that mean?
04:46 <+JollyRgrs> ah
04:46 <+JollyRgrs> yeah, i got a .csr, too
04:46 < jay-ros> what's up mother bitches
04:46 <+JollyRgrs> coderphive: so what's that mean?
04:47 < coderphive> I'm not really good with crypto, so this is me just spitting out ideas
04:47 < coderphive> Well, CSR's are what you send to your CA to get _your_ cert signed
04:47 <+JollyRgrs> oh, well, a signed cert is what my .cer is, right?
04:48 <+JollyRgrs> it is signed by lets encrypt authority X3
04:48 <+JollyRgrs> and it is a wildcard cert
04:48 < coderphive> I think you'll just get a signature back
04:48 < coderphive> I don't think it changes the actual crt or key
04:49 < coderphive> because your crt is just some metadata and your public key
04:50 < coderphive> Actually
04:50 < coderphive> ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR
04:50 < coderphive> You're serving HTTP over 443
04:50 <+JollyRgrs> no....
04:50 < coderphive> Si
04:50 <+JollyRgrs> serving https over 8443
04:50 <+JollyRgrs> ...
04:50 < coderphive> Are you sure?
04:51 <+JollyRgrs> well, i'll double cehck... it's the unifi controller and it has always been giving me the warning about unsecure b/c https without valid cert
04:51 <+JollyRgrs> so i mean.. i'd think...
04:52 < coderphive> Make sure you're trying to access it with https://
04:52 <+JollyRgrs> i am
04:52 < coderphive> I forget that shit all the time on non-standard ports
04:53 <+JollyRgrs> typing full thing... https://full.fqdn.tld:8443
04:53 < coderphive> When you click the lock at the top does it say what's pissed about?
04:53 <+JollyRgrs> i don't get that far
04:54 < coderphive> I bet this is some busybox fucked up ness
04:54 < coderphive> You restarted the router after you installed the cert?
04:54 <+JollyRgrs> you mean the unifi controller?
04:55 <+JollyRgrs> and yeah
04:55 < jay-ros> Have you tried yelling at it?
04:55 <+JollyRgrs> a lot
04:56 < jay-ros> Have you tried using another unify controller next to it to make it jealous?
04:56 < jay-ros> have you tried percussive maintenance
04:57 < coderphive> oh main
04:57 < coderphive> This is a unifi controller
04:57 < coderphive> I suppose this is the guide you're following: https://lg.io/2015/12/13/using-lets-encrypt-to-secure-cloud-hosted-services-like-ubiquitis-mfi-unifi-and-unifi-video.html
04:57 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Using Lets Encrypt to secure cloud-hosted services like Ubiquiti's mFi, Unifi and Unifi Video
04:58 < coderphive> or are you running a unifi software controller?
04:58 <+JollyRgrs> no, but looking at it now
04:59 <+JollyRgrs> yeah, software controller
04:59 < coderphive> oh okay
04:59 <+JollyRgrs> so how do i get the .pem files from the LE cert?
04:59 < coderphive> Yeah, just follow that guide
04:59 < coderphive> You don't need to basically
04:59 < coderphive> This thing will fetch your keys every time
04:59 < coderphive> but in reality
04:59 < coderphive> `sudo keytool -importkeystore -deststorepass aircontrolenterprise -destkeypass aircontrolenterprise -destkeystore /var/lib/unifi/keystore -srckeystore /home/ubuntu/cert.p12 -srcstoretype PKCS12 -srcstorepass temppass -alias ubnt -noprompt`
05:00 < coderphive> layer-eight: you about 2 get bant
05:00 < coderphive> messaging with no consent around here
05:00 <+JollyRgrs> what you goet msged about? spam?
05:00 <+JollyRgrs> oh... b/c you did `sudo
05:01 < coderphive> ye
05:01 < coderphive> here's export: `sudo openssl pkcs12 -export -inkey /etc/letsencrypt/live/mysubdomain.mydomain.com/privkey.pem -in /etc/letsencrypt/live/mysubdomain.mydomain.com/fullchain.pem -out /home/ubuntu/cert.p12 -name ubnt -password pass:temppass`
05:01 <+JollyRgrs> now i jacked this all up
05:01 < coderphive> That exports to pkcs12
05:01 <+JollyRgrs> i don't have a .pem
05:01 < coderphive> so, export the key to pkcs12, then import it to the keystore
05:01 <+JollyRgrs> is my domain.tld.key the same thing?
05:01 < coderphive> pem is just another format
05:01 <+JollyRgrs> why so many formats for keys and certs!!!!!
05:03 < coderphive> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/991758/how-to-get-pem-file-from-key-and-crt-files
05:03 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  ssl - How to get .pem file from .key and .crt files? - Stack Overflow
05:03 < coderphive> That'll create your x509
05:03 < coderphive> your key needs to be in rsa format doe
05:04 < coderphive> You should be able to get it from there
05:04 < coderphive> I'm actually about to do this with homeassistant
05:04 < coderphive> Still trying to solve the problem of my IP being dynamic
05:04 < coderphive> Not a huge issue I guess, just annoying
05:05 < coderphive> I want stupid.engineering to be my house domain
05:09 <+JollyRgrs> i'm using cloudflare b/c namecheap doesn't have an auto-update in Acme (pfsense) to auto-update LE certs
05:09 <+JollyRgrs> so i have DDNS to cloudflare and then using pfsense to auto-update my LE cert using the DNS update  through cloudflare
05:09 <+JollyRgrs> and i have a wildcard cert to use at my house now
05:10 < coderphive> wait
05:10 < coderphive> How are you doing ddns with cloudflare?
05:10 <+JollyRgrs> pfsense
05:10 <+JollyRgrs> it has it in the dropdown
05:10 <+JollyRgrs> works with the free acct
05:11 <+JollyRgrs> and i think i even am getting that "hide your IP through our proxy" protection, too
05:11 <+JollyRgrs> but that only works on the root or www, not on any of my other subdomains
05:11 < coderphive> what the fuck
05:11 <+JollyRgrs> like www.contoso.com is hiden with their IP... but if i hit up unifi.contoso.com, it'llr esolve to my own home IP
05:12 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  ⚓  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/ → Microsoft - Official Home Page
05:12 <+JollyRgrs> haha
05:12 <+JollyRgrs> thanks layer-eight
05:12 < coderphive> kek
05:13 < coderphive> I wonder if I can simulate ddns through Go and the Cloudflare API
05:25 <+JollyRgrs> ok, so with LE certs, i need to not only have automated setting the DNS challenges, but i also need to automate pulling in the new cert files to all my things needing the cert
05:25 <+JollyRgrs> #worthit?
05:32 <+JollyRgrs> i swear, it takes FOREVER for the stupid controller site to become live again
06:02 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: welcome to automation
06:02 <+JollyRgrs> that's where i like to be
06:02 <+JollyRgrs> i just gotta understand what i'm doing to be able to automate it :P
06:03 <+JollyRgrs> i'm giving up on that unifi cert for now
06:03 < Pebbles5> Does one actually have to learn Python? Is shell scripting not enough?
06:03 <+JollyRgrs> but focusing back on the whole start of this rabbit hole, i have a cert to use on pfsense for my captive portal
06:03 <+JollyRgrs> but now i can't get the guest wifi vlan to punch through to the CP page
06:05 < abakedapplepie> lol
06:05 <+JollyRgrs> it was working at teh start of the journey
06:05 <+JollyRgrs> the "page is not secure" thing just bugged me
06:05 < abakedapplepie> i was lazy when i set up some of my acme shit
06:06 < abakedapplepie> just shut down whatever service was running, load nginx on the same hostname on the same machine, update the cert, shut down nginx and restart the service
06:06 < abakedapplepie> :P
06:07 < abakedapplepie> automated i mean
06:07 < abakedapplepie> i ordered pizza at 10:30 and it still isnt here
06:08 < abakedapplepie> i guess at this point i should assume im not getting pizza tonight
06:08 < abakedapplepie> :/
06:08 < abakedapplepie> im starving
06:08 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i hope you are PDT time
06:08 < abakedapplepie> nope. EST.
06:09 <+JollyRgrs> ...
06:09 <+JollyRgrs> are they 24/7 delivery?
06:09 < abakedapplepie> they were open until 11pm
06:09 < abakedapplepie> were
06:09 <+JollyRgrs> and you ordered 30 min until close?
06:09 <+JollyRgrs> from app or call in?
06:10 < abakedapplepie> yes, from the website
06:10 <+JollyRgrs> so dude...
06:10 <+JollyRgrs> you know most places cut off delivery ~30 min before closing
06:10 <+JollyRgrs> their website either sucks, or you JUST made it under the cut-off
06:10 <+JollyRgrs> that close, i'd always call
06:11 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: tbh I have come back to solving my ddns/cert problems several times
06:11 < coderphive> It's not easy without enterprise setups
06:11 < coderphive> and monies
06:11 <+JollyRgrs> exactly
06:11 <+JollyRgrs> but these janky workarounds we figure out... make you stronger
06:11 < coderphive> Truth
06:11 <+JollyRgrs> and that stupid thing you figured out... might be something you use for a different application in the enterprise
06:12 <+JollyRgrs> that's why i like taking on these challenges, i'll learn stuff... stuff i may or may not use at work
06:12 <+JollyRgrs> but i still lernt it
06:12 < coderphive> A lot of my centralized logging experience comes from what I do in home automation
06:12 < coderphive> Also messaging
06:12 <+JollyRgrs> the fact that i manage my dad's company's email (like usually 2-3 ppl getting email)... i've gone from gapps to o365 and from o365 to another o365
06:13 <+JollyRgrs> i actually used some knowledge i gained from that
06:13 < abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: it was 11:29 when the order processed
06:13 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i bet the cutoff was 11:30 and they were like "screw it"
06:13 < abakedapplepie> i got the email confirming and their tracker said it was out for delivery at like 11:15 pm
06:13 < abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: i used to work there, there is no cutoff
06:13 <+JollyRgrs> oh
06:13 < abakedapplepie> you take orders until close
06:13 <+JollyRgrs> out for deliver at 11:15?
06:13 <+JollyRgrs> and no one answers teh phone now, right?
06:13 < abakedapplepie> yeah
06:14 < abakedapplepie> i just got it
06:14 < abakedapplepie> he just dropped it off
06:14 <+JollyRgrs> oh wow
06:14 < abakedapplepie> "sorry for the wait"
06:14 < rpifan> plz are werid
06:14 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: he said why?
06:14 < abakedapplepie> so either he had a TON of deliveries
06:14 <+JollyRgrs> was he just having to do a final run for like... 20 ppls?
06:14 < abakedapplepie> or he got pulled over
06:14 <+JollyRgrs> or was he banging the lady before you that ordered a pizza?
06:14 < abakedapplepie> its possible but i doubt it you generally dont get THAT many orders around here
06:14 < abakedapplepie> especially on a sunday night
06:15 <+JollyRgrs> i was just about to say i saw a papa johns guy at an intersection, out of his car, on his cell
06:15 < abakedapplepie> i'd only ever have to drive home with orders maybe 2-3 times a week
06:15 < abakedapplepie> and only 1 or maybe 2
06:15 <+JollyRgrs> didn't look like wreck, but these other ppl were stopped like... 30 ft away, that woulda almost been like they hit him
06:15 < abakedapplepie> i hit a parked car in a guys driveway while delivering once
06:16 < abakedapplepie> subdivision had a nasty ice patch on an otherwise clear street, right around a slow bend
06:16 < abakedapplepie> i lost it
06:16 < abakedapplepie> i wasnt even speeding, but i was doing the speed limit and i probably should have slowed down
06:16  * JollyRgrs pictures pizza delivery guy from home alone hitting the statue
06:16 < abakedapplepie> 4 wheel drive is an easy crutch
06:16 < Pebbles5> Why are people calling their merch stores "swag store" ?
06:17 < abakedapplepie> whats funny is the subdivision had someone out there with a machine breaking up the inch thick ice like 2 hours later
06:17 < Pebbles5> Apparently this is a very common practice all of a sudden?
06:19 <+JollyRgrs> never heard ppl calling them swag stores yet
06:19 <+JollyRgrs> but i can see why (not that i like it)
06:19 < abakedapplepie> swag me out bitch
06:20 < Pebbles5> DigitalOcean, GitLab etc everyone calling them that (I've seen some others call it that as well but I can't recall everyone tight now)
06:20 <+JollyRgrs> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/what-does-swag-mean
06:20 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  What does 'swag' mean? | Merriam-Webster
06:21 < abakedapplepie> do people actually buy platform swag
06:21 < abakedapplepie> i dont think im enthusastic enough about my hosting company for that
06:21 <+JollyRgrs> but yeah, i've never heard of $premium swag
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> swag is supposed to be promotional freebies
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i'm not, but a free t-shirt? sure
06:22 < abakedapplepie> thats what i mean
06:22 < abakedapplepie> lol
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> like that unitrends one that says "baby got back(up)"
06:22 < abakedapplepie> like ill wear it
06:22 <+JollyRgrs> but not pay for it
06:22 < genr8__> -not gonna lie this ones kinda alright https://store.digitalocean.com/doswag/unisex-apparel/limited-edition-unisex-canada-datacenter-launch-tee/9975
06:22 < abakedapplepie> hell i have a unifi sticker on my back window
06:22 <+layer-eight> * genr8__ →  Limited Edition - Unisex Canada Datacenter Launch Tee - Unisex Apparel - DigitalOcean Swag Store
06:22 < abakedapplepie> but i didnt pay for it
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> genr8__: not for $ it isn't
06:23 < abakedapplepie> right next to my apple sticker, and my matt patricia sticker
06:23 < abakedapplepie> #detroitvseverybody
06:23 <+JollyRgrs> if i'm gonna pay $, i'd much rather get another one instead
06:24 < abakedapplepie> oh man
06:24 < redhat> err, another detroiter?
06:24 < abakedapplepie> i love how progressive they are
06:24 < abakedapplepie> "unisex apparel" and "womens apparel"
06:27 < rpifan> im so hungry
06:27 < abakedapplepie> redhat: whats wrong with that
06:27 < rpifan> non stop hungry
06:27 < Pebbles5> That's sexist why cannot men wear those "women's apparel" /s
06:27 < redhat> abakedapplepie: are you from detroit?
06:27 < rpifan> u can
06:27 < abakedapplepie> not like, city limits detroit
06:28 < abakedapplepie> im poor but not that poor
06:28 < redhat> :)
06:28 < redhat> I'm in michigan.
06:28 < abakedapplepie> although they were hiring a sysadmin at the DPW and i should have gone for it
06:28 < abakedapplepie> government jobs ++
06:28 < rpifan> dpw?
06:28 < redhat> detroit public works
06:28 < abakedapplepie> water department
06:29 < abakedapplepie> they supply water to all of SE MI for the most part
06:29 < redhat> he means flint
06:29 < redhat> primarily
06:29 < abakedapplepie> well, not anymore
06:29 < redhat> ;)
06:29 < abakedapplepie> :P
06:29 < Pebbles5> You sure you are not from Windsor? /S
06:29 < abakedapplepie> pfft god no
06:29 < redhat> lol
06:29 < abakedapplepie> im noty a dirty canuckistanian like cryptic1
06:30 < rpifan> detrioit double penetration
06:30 < redhat> yep
06:30 < abakedapplepie> the only other michigander in here that i know of got bant
06:30 < abakedapplepie> or raGequit i forget
06:31 < abakedapplepie> oh and casteil
06:31 < redhat> I'm from SE michigan, too.
06:31 < abakedapplepie> know anyone hiring? :P
06:31 < redhat> yeah, actually.
06:32 < redhat> what's your background?
06:32 < abakedapplepie> i work at an msp, im ready to not work at an msp anymore after 6 years
06:32 < abakedapplepie> almost 7
06:32 < rpifan> can i work remote
06:32 <+JollyRgrs> m4221 or whatever was, too... iirc
06:32 < redhat> hmm, seems similar to what I've been through
06:32 < redhat> msg me abakedapplepie
06:32 <+JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: time to GTFOutta there
06:32 < abakedapplepie> yep
06:33 < abakedapplepie> i mean it sucks so much precise ragequit
06:34 <+JollyRgrs> he did?
06:34 <+JollyRgrs> did i know that, or was that something i missed?
06:34 <+JollyRgrs> i can't keep up w/ all the ragequitters
06:37 < Pebbles5> There's dozens of them, dozens
06:37 < abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: i regaled you with the tale once a late night
06:37 < abakedapplepie> many a fortnight ago
06:38 < abakedapplepie> he just came in one day said he couldnt hack it left his stuff and peaced
06:39 <+JollyRgrs> lol
06:39  * abakedapplepie shrugs 
06:39 < abakedapplepie> im just glad he didnt leave too many messes in his wake
06:40 < abakedapplepie> the way he left made me think something was seriously botched
06:40 < abakedapplepie> maybe it hasnt happened yet
06:40 < Pebbles5> BTW anyone tried installing PiHole on a VPS?
06:43 < misspwn> so i've been getting "courtesy credit" on amazon purchases and it's so weird
06:43 < rpifan> i had it on my pi
06:43 < rpifan> misspwn, hi
06:43 < misspwn> hi rpifan
06:44 < redhat> Pebbles5
06:44 < redhat> I have some exp with that
06:45 < rpifan> sup where od u live again
06:45 < rpifan> chicagow as it?
06:45 < redhat> I've installed it on a ubuntu VPS on AWS.. had an AWS *vpc* tunel to my house
06:45 < redhat> worked.. fine
06:45 < redhat> but I'd recommend it local
06:47 < rpifan> why bother
06:47 < rpifan> use pi
06:48 < Pebbles5> redhat: you work for red hat or something?
06:51 < redhat> If I worked for RedHat would I explicitly recommend AWS?
06:51 < Pebbles5> have not they sued you already? :P
06:51 < Pebbles5> ^ /S
06:51 < rpifan> what is redhats aws solution
06:52 < Pebbles5> Open shift?
06:52 < rpifan> open shit?
06:53 < redhat> no, it's openstack and it's pretty widely utilised
06:54 < rpifan> openstack of what?
06:55 < redhat> I didn't create the name rpifan. Are you a fan of the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute?
06:55 < rpifan> never
06:55 < Pebbles5> redhat: OpenStack?
06:56 < Pebbles5> OpenStack is not from Red Hat
06:57 < rpifan> whats ELK
06:57 < rpifan> and why
06:57 < rpifan> does it exist
06:57 < redhat> Pebbles5: No, you're wrong.
06:57 < redhat> Also, I'm not hear to support my nick.
06:58 < redhat> rpifan: Google it.
06:58 < Pebbles5> redhat: I am wrong about what? 😕
06:59 < rpifan> no
06:59 < rpifan> i want proffesional dicks to explain
06:59 < rpifan> i pay u by the sentence
07:01 < Pebbles5> OpenStack was founded by Rackspace and NASA and now managed by OpenStack Foundation
07:02 < Pebbles5> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStack
07:02 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  OpenStack - Wikipedia
07:03 < Pebbles5> Are we talking about OpenShift Origin?
07:04 < rpifan> u mean NSA?
07:24 < jay-ros> I'm a professional dick, what am I explaining?
07:25 < LemWork> order placed for new server... 160TB of storage
07:25 < LemWork> should keep us going for a while
07:25 < redhat> specs?
07:26 < jay-ros> jesus, that's a lot of data duplication right there
07:27 < Pebbles5> jay-ros: “I spilled coffee on my keyboard!
07:27 < Pebbles5> Should I pour water on it to wash it out?”
07:27 < Pebbles5> /s
07:28 < abakedapplepie> 160? thats it?
07:28 < genr8__> thats a case of hard drives
07:28 < genr8__> not all that much nowadays :)
07:29 < jay-ros> I've got 200tb, but it's compressed from purestorage
07:29 < rpifan> ELK stak jay-ros
07:30 < jay-ros> neer heard of it
07:30 < jay-ros> never*
07:30 < jay-ros> what it do?
07:33 < redhat> rpifan: what's your deal?
07:38 <+DrGibby|> I had a puppy in my apartment
07:38 <+DrGibby|> and I wish I could steal him
07:38 <+DrGibby|> such a good dog
07:44 < coderphive> dude
07:44 < coderphive> I have a GFCI protected plug in my bathroom that is such a piece of shit
07:44 < coderphive> I just sent my fist through it and it shocked me
07:44 < coderphive> surprising
07:44 < coderphive> I don't get why electricians get to half ass do their job, yet the world ends if we introduce bugs in software
07:44 <+DrGibby|> swtop punching outlets?
07:45 < coderphive> DrGibby|: no thank you
07:45 <+DrGibby|> s/swotp/stop
07:45 < coderphive> I rather enjoyed destroying it
07:45 <+DrGibby|> you deserve it then
07:45 < coderphive> I'll also rather enjoy telling that contractor to fix it too
07:45 < coderphive> If I pay you $300 to fix my problem, you should probably fix my problem
07:46 < coderphive> except this time it's $free
07:46 <+DrGibby|> stop punching outlets < said everyone ever
07:47 < coderphive> I'm pretty sure long before I ragingly crushed that socket it was defective
07:47 < coderphive> and I paid this idiot to fix that before
07:47 <+DrGibby|> uh huh
07:47 < coderphive> so he can come out and do his job right this time
07:47 <+DrGibby|> the fact you punched it though...
07:47 < coderphive> I've had a long week
07:47 <+DrGibby|> thats not normal
07:48 < coderphive> There's a lot of things I feel like people in software do that aren't normal
07:48 < coderphive> I'm pretty sure fist in socket is okay
07:48 <+DrGibby|> yeah, I can recall the shit weeks I've had and remembered zero times where I woukd punch an outlet
07:48 < coderphive> I'm sure you have punched _something_ in your lifetime my guy
07:49 <+DrGibby|> I, actually, haven't
07:49 < coderphive> Then you're a rarity in the world, congratulations
07:49 <+DrGibby|> I think I'm just rational
07:49 < coderphive> Human beings are irrational by nature, so that's not really arguable
07:49 <+DrGibby|> k
07:50 <+DrGibby|> anyway
07:51 < coderphive> Either way, I knew my house electrical needed to be redone, but this guys work is obviously shotty
07:51 <+DrGibby|> I got to pet a dog
07:51 <+DrGibby|> and I'm happy
07:51 < coderphive> Do you not have a full time doggo?
07:51 < catbeard> he's a Mog
07:51 <+DrGibby|> nah, cant
07:51 <+DrGibby|> lease says no
07:52 < catbeard> tell landlord Fuk Yu said it was ok
07:52 <+DrGibby|> but I let a pup in the place all weekend because fuck it
07:52 <+DrGibby|> he was A+
07:52 < coderphive> https://i.imgur.com/wSZC1E4.jpg
07:52 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  IMGUR Image → Pitbull Love → Image/jpeg → 2 years ago → 960x540 → ⚘ 81
07:52 <+DrGibby|> wish I had a dog this awesome tbh
07:53 <+DrGibby|> anyway
07:53 <+DrGibby|> have a good night y'all
08:13 < vader-> Sup
08:17 < genr8__> ayy
08:22 < humpaxx> Gooooooooood morning everyone! Its a cloudy monday with a moderate 16c outside with just a hint of raindrops
08:22 < humpaxx> And my coffee is getting cold
08:27 < rpifan> im a puppy
08:58 < humpaxx> rpifan: Cool, what kind?
08:59 < humpaxx> Im an apache attack helicopter. Anyone who thinks thats stupid should check their vehicle privileges
08:59 < genr8__> my priveleges? i want apache attach helicopter privs..
09:00 < humpaxx> genr8__: I got apache heli sudo creds
09:00 < genr8__> is it like the matrix where all i have to do is think it up ?
09:01 < rpifan> i dont see whats wrong with being a helicopter
09:02 < genr8__> not everyone can be a helicopter. we need garbage trucks too
09:06 < humpaxx> genr8__: Good thing we got Hatter then :)
09:06 < rpifan> someon do my Devops HW
09:08 < genr8__> you better hurry up with that or theyll reject you
09:09 < genr8__> its not as hard as you think, you got this
09:11 < rpifan> id rahter u do it
09:12 < genr8__> i dunno how to do that one, but i can tell you do :)
09:20 < L3gacy> Good bacon unto all and unto all some good bacon!
09:21 < humpaxx> Mornin L3gacy
09:21 < L3gacy> humpaxx, how u do?! :)
09:23 < humpaxx> L3gacy: Good, i spent all weekend playing FO4 and generally being lazy
09:24 < humpaxx> also have 3 more weeks of work until i have a 4wk vacation so theres that
09:26 < L3gacy>  Sugar 305 :P
09:26  * L3gacy injects 20 units of insulin
09:32 < catbeard> someone should make a X-135 flight sim
09:32 < Tzunamii> Someone should make me more coffee
09:32 < Tzunamii> oh and morning
09:33 < L3gacy> Tzunamii, Dyobry Dyein...
09:35 < humpaxx> catbeard: Make one in Unity3d, if you don´t mind very bad graphics you can just create a simple plane mesh and add a rigibody that you push around with WASD :p
09:37 < Katnip> L3gacy, how are you feeling?
09:39 < L3gacy> Katnip, like refried buttered ass
09:39 < Katnip> i'm sorrry man
09:39 < L3gacy> ty
09:40 < L3gacy> My sugar was 580 the other day.  DAY BEFORE, I had a slice of pizza.  NOTHING SINCE, and at 3PM next day was at 580
09:40 < L3gacy> despite meds
09:41 < Katnip> i'm fighting lymphoma for 2nd time in 12 yrs, L4-L5-Root for a fusion after the chemo
09:41 < Katnip> hard to walk straight
09:41 < L3gacy> Katnip I'm so sorry :(  Cancer sucks the big one with razor teeth :(
09:41 < Katnip> yeh
09:42 < L3gacy> My father told us he had stage 2 lung cancer, as to not worry his mother too much
09:42 < L3gacy> It was 4...
09:42 < L3gacy> :'(
09:43 < Katnip> ugh
09:43 < L3gacy> Last time I saw him, he was so bloated I didnt recognized him :(
09:45 < Katnip> that's too bad
09:45 < L3gacy> I thought I was in the wrong ICU :(
09:45 < L3gacy> I feel like shit and like an ass over it
09:48 < L3gacy> Katnip, how is everything else?  Work treating you well?
09:48 < Katnip> i'm on disability
09:49 < Katnip> i'm 62 :/
09:50 < L3gacy> Oh :O  Disability here, too.  44
09:51 < L3gacy> Working on getting back into the field, tho.  $597 a month don't cut it
09:51 < Katnip> true
09:52 < L3gacy> I need to cable manage my desk...
09:52  * L3gacy gets chainsaw
09:52 < L3gacy> brummmmmm ba ba ba ba bum...
10:01 < humpaxx> L3gacy: Thats not what a chainsaw sounds like
10:11 < L3gacy> humpaxx, whose chainsaw u got?
10:13 < humpaxx> L3gacy: Husqvarna
10:19 < humpaxx> Clicking randomize in the password generator creates more entropy, right? /s
10:19 < humpaxx> clicking multiple times
10:20 < catbeard> what's the best way to manage chrome extensions in an enterprise
10:20 < humpaxx> catbeard: you can manage them through GPOs, i recall doing that
10:21 < catbeard> got a link for more reading?
10:21 < humpaxx> https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/187202
10:21 <+layer-eight> * humpaxx →  Set Chrome Browser policies on managed PCs - Google Chrome Enterprise Help
10:22 < catbeard> nice ty
10:23 < humpaxx> yw
10:39 < humpaxx> Is anyone here using powershells SSH feature?
10:39 < humpaxx> Or do you use cygwin or putty/something else if you are on a win10 machine?
10:41 < Dogs> posh-ssh
10:45 < jumi> morning
11:10 < LGee> Hey guys
11:11 < LGee> Anyone working with Linux and SR-IOV? I have a server with 2x 10GE Intel 82599 NICs, and SR-IOV stays enabled on the first port of the first NIC only, regardless of BIOS and kernel settings.
11:47 < humpaxx> This is the first time im encountering someone using citrix viewer for mac, the client forwarded printers is missing.. any pros know where to start looking?
11:48 < humpaxx> Im trying to find how to actually allow printer forwarding but it seems like in mac fasion it usally "just works" ?
13:33 < JFDkthx> is it friday
13:45 < MikeSeth> friday would be nice about now
13:45 < MikeSeth> great, in fact
13:45 < MikeSeth> man, I'd punch a baby for some friday
13:48 < JFDkthx> i would punch every baby presented to me
13:48 < JFDkthx> and cryptic1 for a friday right now
13:54 < JFDkthx> goddamn fire alarm test scared the shit out of me
13:54 < JFDkthx> im sitting in the dc with fm-2000 tanks
14:04 <+giant_it_burrit> anyone here hae aquariums?
14:06 < JFDkthx> giant_it_burrit: aname?
14:06 < JFDkthx> i think he does.
14:07 < MikeSeth> giant_it_burrit: I used to have a shrimp tank
14:07 < MikeSeth> shrimps are fun
14:10 <+giant_it_burrit> know anyone who knows a thing about coral MikeSeth ?
14:17 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:18 < Flyduck> are you all sysadmins
14:18 < JFDkthx> we are #reddit-sysadmin
14:18 < JFDkthx> 's
14:19 < asimon> I took a few computer classes in high school so wyd
14:28 < arlion> Good Morning gents, Welcome back from the weekend.
14:28 < ekaj> HI
14:28 < humpaxx> MikeSeth: please elaborate, you had an aquarium with shrimps instead of fish?
14:29 < asimon> It is a good morning, isn't it?
14:29 < arlion> Could you also elaborate, did you toss them in a pan with butter and old bay and enjoy?
14:29 < asimon> fuck yeah old bay
14:29 < humpaxx> wtf is old bay
14:30 < asimon> Someone's never been to maryland
14:30 < humpaxx> A zone in fallout? :p
14:30 < misspwn> read that as baby, i need to go to work and get coffee before that rings true
14:30 < humpaxx> asimon: I haven´t been in the US yet
14:30 < asimon> https://www.mccormick.com/old-bay/products/seasonings-and-sauces/old-bay-seasoning
14:30 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  OLD BAY® Seasoning | Old Bay
14:30 < asimon> It's essentially crab seasoning that's 80% salt
14:31 < humpaxx> Sounds tasty
14:31 < arlion> Very popular seasoning for shrimp and crab.
14:31 < humpaxx> and salty
14:32 < arlion> Popular in Central Florida, where South Florida and adobo are synonymous
14:32 < misspwn> adobo salt
14:32 < misspwn> i put that creole or bbq seasoning on most things while cooking. the one in the green or black can
14:33 < JFDkthx> bay seasoning best seasonig
14:33 < arlion> lol, that too is popular
14:33 < arlion> down here we just have plastic containers of adobo, it's either red or blue cap.
14:33 < arlion> Which just means, with or without black pepper.
14:34 < arlion> It's paprika, onion, garlic and tumeric (sp?)
14:34 < JFDkthx> `spellcheck tumeric
14:34 < JFDkthx> USELESS BOT
14:34 < JFDkthx> MillerBOSS:
14:34 < arlion> prob the "`" in front
14:34 < JFDkthx> thats the command word
14:35 < arlion> cool,nvm then
14:41 < humpaxx> The citrix problem seem to have been resolved on its own
14:41 < humpaxx> De e najs
14:42 < JFDkthx> which one was that
14:43 <@Code_Man65> I have returned from the land of vacation
14:43 < JFDkthx> shame
14:43 < JFDkthx> should have just given me ops and stay on vacation
14:44 <@Code_Man65> No
14:44 < JFDkthx> damn
14:44 < asimon> s/me/asimon
14:44 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon/JFDkthx] should have just given asimon ops and stay on vacation
14:44 <@Code_Man65> Also no
14:44  * asimon tried
14:44 < JFDkthx> -- | #reddit-sysadmin: You're not a channel operator
14:44 < JFDkthx> shame
14:45 < JFDkthx> shit
14:45 < JFDkthx> meeting time
14:49 < onenerdyguy> Mornin
14:49 <@Code_Man65> Morning
14:53 < humpaxx> NooN
14:57 < humpaxx> Do people outside the org see my photo in skype for business meetings? (if my camera isn´t in use)
14:58 < asimon> Pretty sure it updates your photo daily by taking a webcam snapshot at 23:00 every night
14:58 < adamb> oh god i hope not or I'll have to stop skyping in my pyjamas
14:58 < humpaxx> Ha ha
14:59 < adamb> or do you mean your avatar? I'm pretty sure your avatar is visible
14:59 < humpaxx> Yes the avatar
14:59 < humpaxx> Ah shit
14:59 < humpaxx> I´ve been using Mr Meeseeks for like 2 years
15:00 < adamb> could be worse
15:01 < Nightcinder> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/scribit-turn-your-wall-into-a-wonderwall-design/x/2725516 kind of neat, ig uess?
15:01 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder →  ⚓  https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/scribit-turn-your-wall-into-a-wonderwall-design → Scribit - Turn your wall into a wonderwall | Indiegogo
15:10 < abakedapplepie> how does something with less than 200 backers have more than $1.6m raised
15:10 < arlion> Anyone else going through a massive overhaul to implement MFA across server infrastructure?
15:10 <+giant_it_burrit> nope
15:10 <+giant_it_burrit> already did it
15:10 < abakedapplepie> oh 4500 backers on another platform
15:11 < abakedapplepie> arlion: what do you mean? what do you have to overhaul
15:12 < arlion> for pci 3.1 and customer requirements we are implementing MFA across the board. I'm using this same initiative to bump up all the algorithms across the board to at least AES 256
15:14 <+JollyRgrs> why not ZES8192?
15:14 < arlion> Because FIPS4096 is clearly the best implementation.
15:14 <+JollyRgrs> LOL
15:14 < JFDkthx> fuck off
15:15 <+JollyRgrs> if you want to be gov't compliant and work with NOTHING ELSE?
15:15 <+JollyRgrs> heh
15:15 < arlion> why yes I do
15:15 < JFDkthx> ++
15:15 < arlion> actually, did you see the the cia implementation get into the linux kernel
15:15 <+JollyRgrs> when i was first looking into bitlocker, i'm like "ooh, FIPS... what's this option?"
15:15 <+JollyRgrs> then i basically read what FIPS is for and that it pretty much breaks everything else
15:15 < bmurt> what's up little dicks
15:16 < JFDkthx> pot calling the kettle black
15:16 <+JollyRgrs> bmurt: are you implying you are biggus dickus?
15:16 < bmurt> JFDkthx: never said i wasn
15:16 < arlion> "Breaks" in this case is a desired feature for the government.
15:16 < bmurt> never said i wasn't saying hi to myself :D
15:16 < JFDkthx> JollyRgrs: nothing wrong with a little dick, bmurt loves a little dick
15:16 < bmurt> JollyRgrs: i'm too small and less girthy for that title
15:16 <+JollyRgrs> a black person can walk into a room and go "wazzup my N*****"... so i guess you can say that, bmurt
15:16 < bmurt> JFDkthx: you're confusing me with cryptic1. i have a little dick. cryptic1 loves little dick
15:17 < JFDkthx> BIG if true
15:17 <+JollyRgrs> no, you have one, cryptic1 is one... his MOM is the one that likes them
15:17 < bmurt> true. it's amazing how many little dicks cryptic1's mom can fit in her mouth. it's like she puts a large mcdonald's fry in there at the gangbangs
15:18 <+JollyRgrs> and now i'm going to min this window for a while
15:18 <+JollyRgrs> something about having to do work and stuff
15:18 <+JollyRgrs> not all of us are living near the edge of tomorrow
15:18 < JFDkthx> bmurt: steak and shake fries
15:19 < bmurt> mcdonald's because i'm a fan of giving cleveland steamers to cryptic1's mom too
15:19 < JFDkthx> more of a hot pot and less of a steamer
15:20 < JFDkthx> god im sleepy
15:21 < bmurt> yeah this is day 1 back from vaca with cryptic1's mom and dad. he gives a great handy. much much better than cryptic1 himself
15:22 < bmurt> cryptic1 is more of the blowjob type of guy
15:23 < Alternity> i like AzureAD modern auth, but there are so many weird bugs :/
15:23 < Alternity> you would think they would have fixed by now
15:24 < estranger> GOooooooooooooODDDD morning everybody!!
15:24 < estranger> JFDkthx, wake the fuck up mr sleepy! it's another gloooorious week!
15:25 < JFDkthx>  im sitting here in a meeting with corp and i'm only getting sound through one ear. i'm thinking 'man a fortune 500 company should at least get their fucking conferencing shit right'
15:25 < SleePy> i'm awake
15:25 < JFDkthx> then i notice my headphones arent plugged in, and now i'm the idiot.
15:25 < JFDkthx> fuck u SleePy
15:25 < JFDkthx> poser
15:25 < SleePy> Only if I get dinner first
15:26 < JFDkthx> SleePy: tonight or tomorrow?
15:26 < estranger> JFDkthx, everyone fucks up web and videoc onferencing.. it's like its rocket science
15:26 < SleePy> Either is fine.  Long as it has steak
15:26 < JFDkthx> estranger: goddamn surgeon science
15:26 < JFDkthx> SleePy: i take it you dont mind tube steak
15:27 < abakedapplepie> is it weird that my boss just sent out an email for us not to use the "girls" bathroom anymore because he is about to make a job offer to a "girl"?
15:27 < SleePy> Long as it has grill marks
15:27 < JFDkthx> SleePy: it will cut as to make it look like it has grill marks
15:27 < abakedapplepie> if i was a female being hired into an all male company in a male dominated workforce, the last thing id want to be called is a "girl"
15:27 < estranger> abakedapplepie, did he use double quotes around girl?
15:27 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: chicka
15:27 < abakedapplepie> but im not a woman so i gues i should shut up
15:27 < asimon> Definitely weird
15:27 < abakedapplepie> no estranger its just odd to use the term we normally associate with children
15:27 < misspwn_> abakedapplepie: as a woman in that, i too do not wanta to be called girl
15:28 < abakedapplepie> in a professional environment
15:28 < estranger> abakedapplepie, maybe its a 12 yr old prodigy
15:28 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:28 < JFDkthx> still have child labor laws tho
15:28 < JFDkthx> gotta be 14
15:28 < estranger> lastJob was an all male startup for a few years then we hired our first woman... and office dynamics totally changed lol
15:28 < misspwn_> i am the only female engineer on my team/company and fortunately they do not call me that or treat me that way
15:29 < JFDkthx> misspwn_: you mean they dont use your bathroom?
15:29 < misspwn_> :D
15:29 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:29 < misspwn_> nope!
15:29 < estranger> women's rooms are nasty
15:29 < estranger> well
15:29 < abakedapplepie> we only have two bathrooms, single stall bathrooms
15:29 < misspwn_> mine is real c lean
15:29 < estranger> i guess if theres no women using them its prob nice
15:29 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: oof
15:29 < abakedapplepie> one labeled men one women
15:29 < abakedapplepie> theres 12 guys here
15:29 < abakedapplepie> it sucks
15:29 < misspwn_> there are two other women in the office but we have two women single stall bathrooms
15:30 < estranger> i had keys tot he unused floors at my old job
15:30 < mrghostman> abakedapplepie: that might be a bldg code violation
15:30 < estranger> i had a personal shitter
15:30 < abakedapplepie> eh i doubt it
15:30 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: there is one bathroom in my normal building for like 300 people. and its atleast 400 feet away from my desk.
15:30 < abakedapplepie> its a new office, permits were signed off
15:30 < misspwn_> but i will say at the previous company there were more women. I still was the only one on the team but the womens bathroom one day had shit like literal shit smeared all over the walls...
15:30 < JFDkthx> misspwn_: someone quit
15:31 < abakedapplepie> we have a dirty pooper here
15:31 < abakedapplepie> ive seen poop on the floor
15:31 < misspwn_> yeah i mean it's one thing to have an accident, it's another to smear it all over
15:31 < abakedapplepie> constantly
15:31 < abakedapplepie> its disgusting
15:31 < abakedapplepie> but what do you do
15:31 < misspwn_> go to a different floor
15:31 < abakedapplepie> send out a company wide email "stop shaking turds out of your pantlegs"
15:31 < JFDkthx> you act like a cat, and poop on the floor poop
15:31 < abakedapplepie> misspwn this is a tiny, tiny office lol
15:31 < misspwn_> an email went out "to the person who keeps smearing feces, please stop"
15:32 < abakedapplepie> we have a 1000 sq ft office
15:32 < misspwn_> oh lawd
15:32 < misspwn_> i need more coffee for this convo
15:32 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: yeah, and it was quite fun too. Shrimps are mesmerizing.
15:32 < abakedapplepie> i have 8 people in this office typically
15:32 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: to be fair, thats bigger than my townhouse.
15:32 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: if you are looking for a new hobby, /r/shrimptank
15:32 < abakedapplepie> sometimes more if the road workload is light
15:32 < L3gacy> Morning, peeps
15:32 < JFDkthx> read that as /r/shrimptalk
15:33 < L3gacy> the fuck did I alt tab into?
15:33 < JFDkthx> i guess it's similar enough
15:33 < asimon> L3gacy: Welcome to monday
15:33 < L3gacy> I need an adult
15:33 < JFDkthx> the day where no one wants to work
15:33 < MikeSeth> shrimps are in generaly easier to keep than fish and require less maintenance, but it depends on breeds
15:33 < MikeSeth> however if you want to mix them with fish or carnivorous snails, you need to be careful
15:33 < abakedapplepie> my buddy just started a shrimp tank
15:33 < abakedapplepie> hes got some babbies
15:34 < MikeSeth> abakedapplepie: they *are* fun
15:34 < L3gacy> EX Boss called.  Fromer coworkers are BOTH going to cali on the 19th.  The 19th is my housing inspection.  EX BOSS told me I'm coming in and I better not miss work
15:34 < L3gacy> Like, "Bitch?!  I quit, remember?"
15:34 < MikeSeth> L3gacy: is he confused
15:34 < hxcsp> lmao
15:34 < misspwn_> he must have forgot, how long ago was athis L3gacy
15:34 < L3gacy> MikeSeth, he's a twat whistle
15:34 < L3gacy> a month
15:34 < misspwn_> rofl
15:34 < MikeSeth> L3gacy: just quote 4x the rate
15:34 < Casteil> still blows my mind how fast the messages.android.com phone <-> browser interactivity happens with the QR recognition
15:35 < JFDkthx> what makes him think you're still on payroll
15:35 < L3gacy> I cant MISS the inspection, or I lose my section 8 subsidy
15:35 < asimon> `bofh
15:35 < JFDkthx> Casteil: its stupid fast
15:35 <+layer-eight> BOFH A star wars satellite accidently blew up the wan.
15:35 < MikeSeth> soon as he begins to argue, make it 5x
15:35 < hxcsp> L3gacy: just tell him you will be there
15:35 < misspwn_> ^^
15:35 < abakedapplepie> lmfao
15:35 < hxcsp> if he doesnt realize you dont work there anymore thats not your problem
15:35 < JFDkthx> Casteil: makes me think there is a camera installed on the webpage that is just checking to see if you raise your phone to the screen
15:35 < abakedapplepie> "sure thing bro" and dont show up
15:35 < L3gacy> I told him, "NO" and he flat out said, "I'll be picking you up on the 19th.  I dont want any fucking lame excuses.  There's work to be done"
15:35 < L3gacy> I bought a bat
15:36 < MikeSeth> wait did you quit or did they fire you
15:36 < L3gacy> I'm not above violence any more
15:36 < L3gacy> I quit
15:36 < MikeSeth> oh
15:36 < MikeSeth> no, 4x rate it is
15:36 < JFDkthx> nah
15:36 < JFDkthx> 6x
15:36 < MikeSeth> what's the contract law like in your timezone
15:36 < L3gacy> He wants to pay me 7.25 an hour LOL
15:36 < MikeSeth> sure 6x works
15:36 < SleePy> 6x, 4 hr min, paid up front
15:36 < JFDkthx> SleePy: rounded up to nearest BTC
15:36 < L3gacy> I'm not on contract
15:37 < L3gacy> I told him I have an interview, too, for a better job, and he told me I'm under noncompete.
15:37 < L3gacy> Bitch?  I didnt sign shit
15:37 < L3gacy> This dude really wants disability bad
15:37 < L3gacy> like.. me breaking his hips in 20 pieces bad
15:37 < SleePy> Tell him you will be glad to take that to court
15:37 < asimon> ask for a copy of the noncompete contract with your sig
15:37 < misspwn_> noncompetes are almost meaningless
15:37 < JFDkthx> esp in IT
15:37 < L3gacy> His was for the entire county, and I refused to sign it
15:38 < SleePy> "Judge, my old boss says I can't find a new job, so I will just sit on unemployment for a few years... unless you let me take this new job".
15:38 < Casteil> MRW L3gacy keeps threatening violence against his previous employer: https://i.imgflip.com/16nu2z.jpg
15:38 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 58,182 bytes
15:38 < L3gacy> Casteil, I'm ready
15:38 < L3gacy> I'm sick of this twat juicer
15:38 < L3gacy> And I have ramen :)
15:38 < Casteil> so take him to court
15:38 < JFDkthx> but that costs money
15:38 < Casteil> nothing he says to you will justify physical assaulting him
15:38 < Casteil> physically
15:39 <+giant_it_burrit> send 4chan after him
15:39 < JFDkthx> the haker 4chan
15:39 < L3gacy> If he shows up to get me, despite my saying no, does that change the justification?
15:40 < abakedapplepie> yes
15:40 < L3gacy> good :)
15:40 < Casteil> "get you"
15:40 < Casteil> wtf does that even mean
15:40 <+giant_it_burrit> get you?
15:40 < abakedapplepie> until he lays a finger on you you cant touch him, legally
15:40 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:40 < L3gacy> He said he WILL come to get me on the 19th, despite my saying NO
15:40 < SleePy> Could file a restraining order.
15:40 <+giant_it_burrit> L3gacy: buy a gun
15:41 < abakedapplepie> get as in pick up
15:41 < L3gacy> Cant.  Was committed at one point, involuntary 3 day
15:41 < JFDkthx> be proactive
15:41 < abakedapplepie> jesus christ do not advocate him to shoot this guy
15:41 < JFDkthx> shoot him first
15:41 < abakedapplepie> you guys.
15:41 < L3gacy> I'm just ranting.  He has me pissed
15:41 <+giant_it_burrit> shoot him in the dick
15:41 < L3gacy> I wouldnt shoot, any way
15:41 < L3gacy> Pistol whip?  That's an option
15:41 < JFDkthx> shoot him with harsh words
15:41 < JFDkthx> like
15:41 <+giant_it_burrit> finger guns
15:41 < JFDkthx> fuck face
15:41 <+giant_it_burrit> fingerbang him
15:41 < JFDkthx> zoop zoop
15:41 < JFDkthx> assblast him
15:42 <+giant_it_burrit> dominate him sexually then never call him again
15:42 < L3gacy> I though scat porn was her saying "Ski bi de boo bop" at his dick.  BOY WAS I WRONG
15:42 < JFDkthx> set up a date, and ghost him
15:42 < L3gacy> I need noms
15:42 <+giant_it_burrit> take him out for a nice dinner then never call him again
15:42 < L3gacy> Tortellini with a beschamel?
15:42 <+giant_it_burrit> set his homepage to felda.io
15:42 < JFDkthx> sign him up for christianmingle
15:42 <+giant_it_burrit> kill him slowly
15:42 < L3gacy> nah. tubgirl for his home page
15:42 <+giant_it_burrit> felda is worse
15:42 < JFDkthx> barely
15:43 <@Code_Man65> L3gacy:  He should lace it with iocane powder
15:43 < L3gacy> farmanimalwhore.com
15:43 <+giant_it_burrit> make him use winme
15:43 < JFDkthx> templeos
15:43 < L3gacy> Sign him up for hard core bestiality porn using his work email?
15:43 <@Code_Man65> What happens when you combine Widows CE, ME, and NT?
15:43 < Casteil> ...
15:43 < L3gacy> Windows Cement
15:43 <+giant_it_burrit> superaids
15:43 < Casteil> dude, have some class
15:43 <@Code_Man65> You get Windows CEMENT
15:43 < abakedapplepie> rofl
15:44 < L3gacy> Honestly, I'm not answering my door
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> its harrassment
15:44 < L3gacy> But boy, I will admit the urge to crip stomp
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> and a threat
15:44 < JFDkthx> why even be there.
15:44 < L3gacy> Or river dance with stilletos
15:44 <@Code_Man65> WTF is a crip stomp?
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> jfd has a point
15:44 < abakedapplepie> curb stomp while doing the crip walk
15:44 < JFDkthx> its c-walking and doing the jig
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> go elsewhere
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> visit cryptic1
15:44 < L3gacy> I'm looking for elsewhere
15:44 < abakedapplepie> cryptic1 loves visitors
15:44 < L3gacy> I quit due to mental health reasons
15:44 <+giant_it_burrit> nigga a hotel
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> or a friends place
15:45 < JFDkthx> library
15:45 < JFDkthx> starbucks
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> go whoring with hunterklll
15:45 < L3gacy> I want starbucks
15:45 < L3gacy> I want my mint java chip :(
15:45 < abakedapplepie> is hunterkll alive
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> flirt with the 19 yr old there
15:45 < L3gacy> Hunteralive?
15:45 < JFDkthx> s/go whoring with/whore out
15:45 <+layer-eight> [SED JFDkthx/giant_it_burrit] whore out hunterklll
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> have her spell your name wrong
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> be whoever she thinks you are
15:45 < L3gacy> How do you spell JOHN wrong?
15:45 < abakedapplepie> jon
15:45 <+giant_it_burrit> yawn
15:45 < L3gacy> Like, do you have a stroke or something?
15:45 < abakedapplepie> jonn
15:45 < abakedapplepie> jhon
15:45 < JFDkthx> john what
15:46 <+giant_it_burrit> gawn
15:46 < abakedapplepie> jawn
15:46 <+giant_it_burrit> juan
15:46  * L3gacy sings, "These are the people you set fire to"
15:46 < L3gacy> That's mah jawn
15:46 < L3gacy> Working IT, it's a good thing I take anti-psychotics
15:46 < abakedapplepie> chonn
15:46 < L3gacy> CHON
15:46 <+giant_it_burrit> jamon
15:46  * MikeSeth writes an email to rackspace calling his accounting department "veritable towering geniuses"
15:46 < L3gacy> Rackspace is bae
15:47 < L3gacy> feldamuffins
15:47 < MikeSeth> noncompetes are contra legem where I am from and are unenforceable for constitutional reasons
15:47  * L3gacy slides Felda a pan seared salmon filet, on a bed of basmati rice, seasone with lime, kosher salt, and white pepper
15:47 < MikeSeth> which is funny because we don't even have a constitution
15:47  * L3gacy slides omegamike a donut
15:48 < L3gacy> I need to take this Server 2016 course...
15:48 < abakedapplepie> MikeSeth: who is we
15:48 < L3gacy> Oui.  It's French
15:48 < Casteil> killdash9: you guys should do something about the degeneracy of this channel as of late. :\
15:48 < L3gacy> pfSense!
15:49 < Hatter> oh good morning guys
15:49 < pfsense> L3gacy I'm actually having oatmeal with a spritz of brown sugar and apple juice for breakfast
15:49 < L3gacy> I lvoe my anti-psychotics for keeping me out of prison.  I HATE THEM for making me nauseous
15:49 < pfsense> also cryptic1
15:49 < MikeSeth> abakedapplepie: THE JEWS
15:49 < pfsense> I'm still +q
15:49 < Hatter> L3gacy: out of prison? what would you do without them?>
15:49 < MikeSeth> i'm from Israel
15:49 < abakedapplepie> oh
15:49 < abakedapplepie> boy tht sounds neat
15:49 < L3gacy> Hatter, work retail
15:49 < L3gacy> Shalom
15:49 < MikeSeth> Gader & Hafrada
15:49 < estranger> retail jobs are the best jobs
15:49 < abakedapplepie> isreal doesnt have a constitution?
15:49 < abakedapplepie> TIL
15:49 < MikeSeth> abakedapplepie: no, we have kind of a constitutional framework called basic laws
15:49 < L3gacy> Retail makes my no no bleed
15:50 < pfsense> JollyRgrs just so you know you are still +q as well lol
15:50 < catbeard> he'll always be +v to me <3 JollyRgrs
15:50 < catbeard> you said you need to talk to me anyhow, lmk
15:51 < MikeSeth> abakedapplepie: because the right to choose occupation is enshrined in basic law, noncompetes are legally void (unless youre talking about trade secrets)
15:51 < omegamike> thanks, L3gacy... nothing like coming back from the bathroom to find your machine restarted for no good reason...
15:51 < L3gacy> omegamike, I blame the economy.
15:51 < omegamike> that sounds fair
15:52 < omegamike> economy never did much good for me anyways
15:52 < alazare619> anyone in here using icinga2?
15:53 < pfsense> sorry guys I didn't get felda.io back up over the weekend
15:53 < estranger> i just ignore the economy and live in my own bubble
15:53 < pfsense> I was very busy playing Skyrim with the big tiddies mods
15:53 < estranger> fair
15:54 < SleePy> what mods...
15:54 < pfsense> also I forgot to take my server home so now it's stuck at work and I don't feel like point my public website at my works public IP >_>
15:54 < catbeard> yes i'm 18, now lemme see the tiddy
15:54 < Casteil> ...
15:54 < pfsense> basically go to nexus mods
15:54 < L3gacy> tiddy tiddy bo biddy banana fana tree fiddy
15:54 < Casteil> come on guys, this is a sysadmin channel
15:54 < catbeard> pfsense: cloudflare warp lol
15:54 < pfsense> then sort by top endorsments (ADULT ONLY) section
15:54 < asimon> pfsense: You self-host felda.io?
15:54 < pfsense> when in the adults only section install literally every mod you see
15:54 < abakedapplepie> of course he does
15:54 < pfsense> asimon yes
15:54 < SleePy> to each their own I guess..
15:55 < pfsense> I have over 100 mods installed lmao
15:55 < catbeard> heck port forwarding
15:55 < asimon> Did you have to cajole your ISP into letting you have a static ip?
15:55 < catbeard> i have 5
15:55 < pfsense> asimon no
15:55 < humpaxx> pfsense: But do they include a mod load order so i can get the most out of the adult stuff?
15:55 < L3gacy> I need to redo 81 port forwards.  Verizon reset my ONT and Router...
15:55 < asimon> wait how host then
15:55 < SleePy> Some ISPs give out static dhcp ips.
15:55 < pfsense> asimon these days DNS records propagate in 30 minutes or less
15:56 < pfsense> well it's comcast
15:56 < catbeard> if you had ngrok or cloudflare warp you wouldn't need a portforward for a website
15:57 < adamb> s/ngrok or cloudflare warp/IPv6
15:57 <+layer-eight> [SED adamb/catbeard] if you had IPv6 you wouldn't need a portforward for a website
15:58 < pfsense> it just so happens that i do have IPv6
15:58 < pfsense> ooo
15:58 < pfsense> I could do an IPv6 ONLY website
15:58 < pfsense> How E X C L U S I V E
15:58 < adamb> could!
15:58 < adamb> v6 is great, it's like the old days where you can just expose stuff to the internet because the hackers don't have IPv6 yet
15:59 < MikeSeth> in soviet russia, ipv6 exposes you
16:00 < catbeard> just because you use ipv6 exclusively doesn't mean you're not a target, it just means there's now another attack vector that likely isn't filtered
16:01 < catbeard> it's busy enough tending to v4 heh
16:02 < JFDkthx> im dozing off at my desk
16:02 < JFDkthx> .-.
16:02 < JFDkthx> muscle relaxers are ruining me
16:02 < MikeSeth> inject coffee into vein
16:04 < pfsense> my work ISP doesn't give my IPv6 REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
16:04 < pfsense> the price you pay for a telecomm cooperative getting you cheap fiber internet
16:05 < pfsense> Netflix and banking websites don't like HE Tunnel
16:05 < adamb> I run a v6 first envionment, it's great
16:05 < catbeard> most banking websites aren't v6
16:05 < pfsense> adamb any weird challenges compared to IPv4?
16:06 < pfsense> adamb do you still do IPv6 NAT to obscure your LANs?
16:06 < adamb> we do nat64 yeah
16:06 < pfsense> any issues with that?
16:06 < adamb> nat64 is the fiddly bit because you have to make sure that you omit certain ranges
16:06 < adamb> but it's no more complex than regular nat
16:07 < adamb> just longer numbers
16:07 < pfsense> we aren't rocket scientists or bankers or a hospital so I probably wouldn't use NATv6
16:07 < adamb> biggest factor is vendor support
16:07 < catbeard> numbers? in my colons? it's more likely than you think
16:07 < pfsense> LETTERS in my address?!  It's more likely than you think
16:07 < adamb> if you're using a vendor that doesn't treat it as a first class option, you'll run into problems
16:08 < adamb> fortunately we're juniper/vmware/linux
16:08 < adamb> I've even got nat64 running on the LAN side, not a single complaint about something not working
16:09 < adamb> I don't doubt there will be something that hardcodes addresses, but we've not encountered it yet
16:14 < vavkamil> does anybody know how to disable WebRTC in Chrome(Android)?
16:14 < humpaxx> Personally i´ll stick with 169.254.0.0/16
16:15 < pfsense> lol
16:17 < genr8__> chrome://flags
16:18 < pfsense> Is Facebook being goofy for you guys?  My users are complaining about it to me.
16:19 <+giant_it_burrit> tell them to get off fb
16:19 < mrghostman> wat
16:19 <+giant_it_burrit> start working
16:19 < humpaxx> pfsense: Are you fiddling with DPI/traffic shaping again?
16:19 < asimon> "Back to work" - Close ticket
16:20 < grumplestiltzkin> block facebook completely
16:20 < catbeard> block dns requests for fb
16:21 < catbeard> should suffice
16:21 < asimon> hack facebook to redirect to pornhub
16:21 < asimon> Guess you could do that with DNS instead of a felony though
16:21 < JFDkthx> who cares
16:22 < catbeard> users
16:22 < pfsense> humpaxx nah I only have DNS blocklists going right now
16:22 < vavkamil> genr8__, it's not working anymore
16:22 < MikeSeth> I'm almost finished setting up content filtering
16:22 < MikeSeth> once I am done, no more youtube and facebook
16:22  * MikeSeth pets self
16:22 < JFDkthx> make sure you block news.google.com
16:22 < vavkamil> why block youtube?
16:22 < JFDkthx> so no one has a source of entertainment
16:22 < JFDkthx> and twitter
16:23 < JFDkthx> and personal email
16:23 < JFDkthx> and anything that isnt reddit.com/r/workproductivity
16:23 < estranger> know what I use to bypass almost every enterprise's block on filesharing sites when I need to send someone a binary?  linux split + github
16:23 < humpaxx> Reddit and work productivity in the same url?
16:23 < MikeSeth> vavkamil: cause the bastards in the call center watch despacito all day instead of working
16:24 < JFDkthx> just redirect all despacito to rick roll
16:24 < JFDkthx> problem solved
16:24 < humpaxx> That sounds like a management problem :p
16:25 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: arguably it is
16:25 < humpaxx> MikeSeth: And management created a ticket to have it solved
16:25 < humpaxx> And here we are
16:25 < MikeSeth> well, if by created a ticket you mean the owner barging into my office huffing and puffing because he saw someone in the call center watching youtube
16:25 < MikeSeth> then yes
16:28 < humpaxx> What you are doing is dangerous tho, Its going to be quite demoralizing for callcenter employees if they can´t do other stuff for a lil bit to cool down from dealing with idiots all day.
16:28 < vavkamil> are they allowed to watch it on their own smartphones?
16:28 < grumplestiltzkin> did you just assume their phones intelligence?
16:29 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: they're also not allowed any wifi
16:29 < MikeSeth> and it looks like soon there will be lockers for smartphones too
16:29 < catbeard> your other option is a global ratelimit
16:29  * MikeSeth shrugs
16:29 < catbeard> which works quite well for 150 employees on 2 100MBit links
16:29 < MikeSeth> as long as they dont make me wear the SS uniform...
16:30 <+giant_it_burrit> tier the bandwidth
16:30 <+giant_it_burrit> facebook is bottom tier data
16:30 < catbeard> more like FB is god tier
16:30 <+giant_it_burrit> if its slow its because other are doing other shit
16:30 < vavkamil> next time someone from call center will call me, I will ask if they want to listen to any specific song
16:30 < catbeard> block kissanime
16:31 < catbeard> it's dumb anyway
16:31 < JFDkthx> MikeSeth: how to create high turnover 101
16:31 < MikeSeth> yes well not my problem
16:31 < JFDkthx> catbeard: not blocking crunchyroll
16:31 < catbeard> fair enough
16:31 < JFDkthx> MikeSeth: you're a part of those filters dog
16:31 < JFDkthx> make sure you block irc too
16:31 < humpaxx> seem like a waste of time unless you´re a K12 admin or running an adult daycare :p
16:31 < catbeard> but kissanime for a pirate site tries real hard to block adblock traffic, kinda presumptuous
16:31 < JFDkthx> call center
16:31 < MikeSeth> I am personally against all of this
16:31 < JFDkthx> not an adult daycare
16:31 < JFDkthx> mfw
16:32 < MikeSeth> but, the man is the man
16:32 < JFDkthx> MikeSeth: well make sure you sleep in the bed you make
16:32 < abakedapplepie> catbeard how are they gonna mine crypto if you block it
16:32 < catbeard> i don't make the rules, i just break 'em
16:32 < humpaxx> catbeard: ++
16:32 < MikeSeth> JFDkthx: god I wish I was fireable
16:32 < catbeard> you could fire yourself
16:32 < MikeSeth> too cushy tbh
16:32 < vavkamil> everyone is fireable, if you aren't zuckerberg
16:33 < humpaxx> Please don´t, im sure theres people who love you
16:33 < catbeard> leak trade secrets to yourself
16:33 < MikeSeth> someone leaked my pay grade in the office couple of weeks ago, 4 girls showed up to check whether im married
16:33 < catbeard> "just checkin'"
16:33 < humpaxx> vavkamil: Yeah but zuckerburg had to explain technology to old people while on stream
16:33 < asimon> The university I used to work at published all employee salaries
16:33 < grumplestiltzkin> MikeSeth: so you have 4 dates this week?
16:34 < asimon> I actually really liked that
16:34 < MikeSeth> grumplestiltzkin: god no, I don't.. mess with the help
16:34 < catbeard> that or 4 "personal laptop tickets"
16:34 < asimon> I don't understand what benefit there is to employees to keep that info secret
16:34 < MikeSeth> asimon: so that they dont ask for raises
16:34 < MikeSeth> duh
16:34 < vavkamil> just today I purchased assange autobiography just for $1.32
16:34 < catbeard> asimon: how would you like it if someone were hired on and does half of what you do, but gets paid twice as much?
16:34 < grumplestiltzkin> is he still alive?
16:35 < abakedapplepie> he is
16:35 < abakedapplepie> and hes not having the greatest run of things
16:35 < JFDkthx> agh fuck
16:35 < JFDkthx> it's already july
16:35 < asimon> catbeard: I'd prefer to know that than have it happen and not realize I was being vastly undercompensated
16:35 < JFDkthx> i have training tomorrow that i forgot about
16:35 < abakedapplepie> his consular landlord is treating him like a child
16:35 < abakedapplepie> mostly because hes acting like a child
16:35 < humpaxx> abakedapplepie: assange?
16:35 < abakedapplepie> yeah
16:36 < catbeard> asimon: right so it's illegal (i think) to DROP wages if you make above a certain amt
16:36 < humpaxx> Or ...synth "assange"?
16:36 < JFDkthx> assange is a synth?
16:36 < JFDkthx> kill him!
16:36 < grumplestiltzkin> assange is the upgraded model from zuck 2.0
16:36 < MikeSeth> is not legion
16:36 < catbeard> we'll fix all his golf strokes, when we KILL HIM
16:37 < abakedapplepie> basically the consulate told him to stop meddling in politics while youre staying here
16:37 < abakedapplepie> and he cant listen
16:37 < abakedapplepie> he likes being in the spotlight and they are doing everything they can to prevent that
16:37 < vavkamil> he hacked embassy network from inside
16:37 < abakedapplepie> so they cut off his internet, restrict visitors, etc
16:37 < abakedapplepie> oh yeah hes like broken into secure closets and shit
16:37 < abakedapplepie> which is kinda batshit
16:37 < abakedapplepie> i mean they hold all the cards
16:38 < abakedapplepie> bite the hand that feeds
16:38 < catbeard> i mean right, why not just PAM backdoor and external DNS exfil
16:38 < vavkamil> DNS over reddit
16:39 < catbeard> vavkamil: https://x-c3ll.github.io/posts/PAM-backdoor-DNS/
16:39 <+layer-eight> * catbeard →  Exfiltrating credentials via PAM backdoors & DNS requests :: 	 	DoomsDay Vault
16:45 < grumplestiltzkin> he needs that unrestricted internet to keep the dead man switch alive
16:50 < narziss> im baaaaack.
16:51 < narziss> Giving NPR a good ol' hate-listen.
16:51 < narziss> It is my breakfast of hate.
16:51 < narziss> Democracy Now! ugh.
16:52 < narziss> Anyone have good streams I can enjoy?
16:52 < narziss> I like the daily live format over on-demand...
16:54 < JFDkthx> twitch.tv/admiralbulldog
16:54 < JFDkthx> best stream NA
16:54 <+TuxedoJack> grumplestiltzkin: , if someone broke into one of my secure closets, let alone if I worked for a government, they'd be out on their ass in
16:54 < asimon> fuckin
16:54 <+TuxedoJack> *Out on their ass inside 15 minutes, with HR helping
16:54 <+TuxedoJack> And in his case, preferably with MI5 getting called during the exit interview
16:55 < humpaxx> You work for the lady, TuxedoJack?
16:55 < narziss> It was hypothetical
16:55 <+TuxedoJack> humpaxx: nope, I work for an Austin MSP. You dpm
16:55 <+TuxedoJack> *You don't break into secure closets, though, ESPECIALLY when you're a guest under someone's roof
16:55 < narziss> He says "if I worked.."
16:55 < humpaxx> Im a dump pleb moron
16:56 <+TuxedoJack> That shit ain't cricket
16:56 < humpaxx> I didnt even read what you wrote before the part of secure closets
16:59 < asimon> thesaurus.com obfuscated their html classes so now my little script to tell me synonyms for words doesn't work anymore
16:59 < asimon> why would they do that
16:59 < JFDkthx> to stop scraping
16:59 < JFDkthx> and to make sure you go to their site and recieve the proper ads
16:59 < Casteil> ^^^
17:00 < humpaxx> 5pm
17:00 < asimon> Their ads aren't even good ads though
17:00 < humpaxx> Im off, suckazz
17:00 < asimon> it's like "Here's 5 words you didn't know that you didn't know"
17:00 < JFDkthx> byeee
17:02 < vavkamil> any good youtube channels for sysadmins?
17:02 < JFDkthx> drunk history is p good
17:05 < vavkamil> Historical reenactments by A-list talent are presented by inebriated storytellers.
17:05 < vavkamil> sounds like fun
17:05 < misspwn_> someone is heating up what smells like burritos. it's only 10am and it's making me hungry
17:06 < JFDkthx> obligatory AvE
17:06 < jbroome> if you have any interest in machining, and honestly even if you don't, This Old Tony is good
17:07 < JFDkthx> security nows is a great podcast
17:08 < JFDkthx> i think riskybusiness is along the same vein
17:08 < JFDkthx> both are ones the my coworker recommends
17:09 <+giant_it_burrit> JFDkthx: squrrl
17:13 < vinrock> ave been slacking on vidyas
17:13 < Casteil> jesus christ
17:13 < Casteil> trying to get anything from HR pertaining to my PTO or year review (nearly 2 months overdue now) is like pulling teeth
17:13 < JFDkthx> ah
17:13 < misspwn_> hi Casteil i am ur HR --> raise4u
17:14 < vinrock> so go higher up the ladder
17:14 < abakedapplepie> i havent cleaned my inbox since last march
17:14 < abakedapplepie> rip
17:14 < JFDkthx> just found out there is a tv drama fo the book im reading
17:14 < abakedapplepie> 12,039 emails, 5,629 unread
17:14 < vinrock> ew dirty inbox
17:14 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: ctrl+a; delete
17:14 < abakedapplepie> basically
17:14 < JFDkthx> either that or archvie
17:14 < abakedapplepie> ill probably delete 2017 and then filter through my 2018 emails
17:14 < JFDkthx> let god sort it out
17:14 < abakedapplepie> JFDkthx: trash is my archive
17:14 < JFDkthx> nice c level approach
17:14 < vinrock> i just leave everything there...
17:15 < estranger> i keep all my important emails in the trash
17:15 < abakedapplepie> on some level, we are all users
17:15 < abakedapplepie> :)
17:15 < JFDkthx> that way you know not to delete them estranger
17:15 < estranger> exactly!
17:15 < JFDkthx> everything else you shift+delete
17:15 < abakedapplepie> i have every email since i started working here
17:15 < JFDkthx> same
17:15 < JFDkthx> oh great
17:15 < JFDkthx> corn266_: is here
17:15 < abakedapplepie> 47,101 emails in trash
17:16 < abakedapplepie> wonder how big my ost is
17:16 < abakedapplepie> oh 1.5 gigs
17:16 < abakedapplepie> amateur numbers
17:17 < abakedapplepie> i will literally never understand how people generate 10s of gigs of email a year
17:17 < abakedapplepie> i am fast and loose and still so tight
17:18 < vinrock> 2.3gb ost
17:18 < vinrock> i win
17:18 <+giant_it_burrit> 97.2Gb
17:18 < asimon> abakedapplepie: high res image signature
17:18 <+giant_it_burrit> gb
17:19 < abakedapplepie> i know how one of my hosted exchange clients does it
17:19 < abakedapplepie> they just cc all the company on everything they send, company wide
17:19 < vinrock> how the hell you get a 92 gig ost
17:19 < vinrock> thats incredible
17:19 < abakedapplepie> and re-attach attachments on reply
17:19 < JFDkthx> the only thig i ever actually delete is puppet reports/backup reports/emails from remedy
17:19 <+giant_it_burrit> vinrock: i dont im with google
17:19 < abakedapplepie> vinrock: i have clients with 100+
17:19 < abakedapplepie> see above
17:19 < vinrock> ah
17:19 < hxcsp> i wonder how big mine is
17:19 < JFDkthx> everything else is filtered to folders then archived
17:20 < vinrock> yeah i set rules for everything
17:20 < hxcsp> 2.9gb
17:20 < abakedapplepie> these guys used to complain weekly about performance
17:20 < abakedapplepie> i think they finally got the hint when we started billing them for every single little itty bitty call
17:20 < vinrock> im replacing all the desktops here when i go to win10 next year
17:20 < vinrock> gona give em all ssd's
17:20 < abakedapplepie> billed 15 minutes to listen to us explain why your org is slow as shit for the umpteenth time
17:20 < vinrock> if anyone complains about shit ima punch em
17:21 < vinrock> well ok maybe not
17:21 < vinrock> but in my mind i will
17:21 < hxcsp> abakedapplepie: but no, you cant archive my files from 5 years ago i need them every single day
17:21 < hxcsp> why is my outlook SO SLOW
17:21 < abakedapplepie> who would complain about an ssd
17:21 < abakedapplepie> hxcsp: pretty much
17:21 < abakedapplepie> theyre not even finance/accounting/anything of the sort
17:21 < abakedapplepie> they rent office furniture
17:22 < abakedapplepie> and their entire business runs on an access database that was originally created in 1997
17:22 < hxcsp> we had a company that every person got thousands of automated emails from their website. anytime a record was changed, a user logged in, someone did something. bam. email
17:22 < abakedapplepie> lol.
17:22 < hxcsp> their OST's would get to 50Gb in a month
17:22 < abakedapplepie> i have that too but it goes to a dedicated mailbox with very specific retention policies
17:23 < hxcsp> we tried to get them to cut it down, or atleast filter it like you should
17:23 < hxcsp> but nope. they wanted every email readily available
17:24 < ThatOneRoadie> because of course they did
17:24 < hxcsp> and then you have the people that store important shit in the deleted items
17:24 < ThatOneRoadie> vinrock, I love the HP elitedesk stuff for desktop users, but avoid the intel SSDs
17:24 < ThatOneRoadie> Firmware issues galore with them
17:25 < abakedapplepie> i need to know about that one time jonny mcfuckface logged into the website backend back in 2008 man
17:25 < JFDkthx> hxcsp: why not just make an org box?
17:25 < vinrock> im actually getting rid of all the hp's here, ive got a few elitedesks
17:25 < vinrock> going to dell
17:25 < JFDkthx> instead of having 50gb individual mail boxes
17:25 < ThatOneRoadie> I think currently we have something like a 65% failure rate with the intel SSD's on HP's eliteline
17:25 < vinrock> yikes
17:25 < abakedapplepie> holy shit what
17:25 < ThatOneRoadie> hah, we moved from dell to hp about 6 years ago
17:25 < hxcsp> JFDkthx: because thats the way it was setup and they didnt want to change it
17:25 < ThatOneRoadie> better support from HPe
17:25 < abakedapplepie> we were all intel ssd for a few years, never had a single failure
17:25 < abakedapplepie> thats nuts
17:25 <+giant_it_burrit> rly
17:25 < ThatOneRoadie> abakedapplepie, it's all firmware too
17:25 < JFDkthx> goddamn luddites
17:25 <+giant_it_burrit> what support levle from dell
17:25 < abakedapplepie> this was 4 years ago tho
17:25 < ThatOneRoadie> the drive itself is fine
17:25 < hxcsp> JFDkthx: it cost time, which cost money, to change things
17:26 < ThatOneRoadie> but once it runs into this firmware bug it's a brick
17:26 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: i've had the same intel ssds for 8? years
17:26 < ThatOneRoadie> until it can be sent back to be JTAG'd
17:26 < abakedapplepie> are they covered by warranty
17:26 < abakedapplepie> also was this an hp firmware
17:26 < abakedapplepie> maybe they are to blame
17:26 < abakedapplepie> not intel
17:27 < ThatOneRoadie> "For users unfamiliar with the issue, an Intel SSD 320 Series drive may exhibit a drive capacity of 8MB and an electronic serial # field containing a message of “BAD_CTX 0000013x” due to an unexpected power loss under specific conditions.  Once this error occurs, no data on the SSD can be accessed and the user cannot write to or read from the SSD."
17:27 < vinrock> womp womp
17:27 < ThatOneRoadie> yep
17:27 < JFDkthx> F
17:27 < ThatOneRoadie> turns into an 8MB Brick
17:27 < JFDkthx> enough for doom
17:27 < abakedapplepie> can you at least r/w that 8mb?
17:27 < abakedapplepie> lol
17:27 < JFDkthx> what else do you need
17:27 < abakedapplepie> ^
17:27 < ThatOneRoadie> I think so actually
17:28 < ThatOneRoadie> lol
17:28 < syere> dos 6.22
17:28 < ThatOneRoadie> the fastest 8MB Drive you've ever seen
17:28 < JFDkthx> fucking get a bunch of the failed one
17:28 < JFDkthx> raid them until you get 64
17:28 < abakedapplepie> mb
17:28 < ThatOneRoadie> RAID the shit out of em hahaha
17:28 < JFDkthx> now you got commander keen too
17:29 < abakedapplepie> 8 million drives for a 64tb array
17:29 < abakedapplepie> do it
17:29 < JFDkthx> you wont
17:29 < JFDkthx> no balls
17:30 < abakedapplepie> 104kW RAID
17:30 < abakedapplepie> lmao
17:30 < abakedapplepie> call the power company to let tem know youre turning on your storage array
17:30 < JFDkthx> you could do some serious HD minig with that
17:30 < JFDkthx> storage*
17:30 < JFDkthx> w.e
17:31 < abakedapplepie> wonder what the seek time would be
17:31 < estranger> noice. 60 people signed up for my encore workshop this week
17:33 < ThatOneRoadie> JFDkthx, and it has the advantage of evolving into a 16 PB Drive array with those 67 million drives once the firmware bug is fixed for good
17:33 < ThatOneRoadie> though the expand operation may take some time
17:33 <+giant_it_burrit> anyone have anything to say about carbon black?
17:35 < vinrock> <crickets>
17:35 < ekaj> reeeeeeeeeee
17:36 < abakedapplepie> whats carbon black
17:36 < estranger> lenovo?
17:36 < adamb> endpoint protection
17:36 < vinrock> its like cylance
17:36 <+TuxedoJack> Hmm
17:37 <+TuxedoJack> Worth installing Suricata on a pfSense or not?
17:37 < vinrock> that would be a question for pfelda
17:37 < adamb> we did a comparison of various next gen av here, and carbon black didn't stand up to the competition for our use case
17:37 < pfsense> TuxedoJack over Snort?
17:37 < adamb> but it didn't seem like a bad product
17:37 <+TuxedoJack> pfsense: more worried about internal shit, and users being fucking morons
17:37 < dragonfleas> So I deployed the first step to our document redirection migration to a new server
17:37 < pfsense> how much traffic do you have?
17:37 < aName> Thanks, MS. >intune enabled by default >intune management is premium feature
17:37 < dragonfleas> I removed the policy so everyone would return to local
17:37 < pfsense> I only have 20 users so Surricata being multithreaded didn't really matter too much
17:38 < dragonfleas> i forgot that our scanners scan to the server folders
17:38 < pfsense> but I would imagine in large environments it could help
17:38 <+TuxedoJack> Not that much. ~50Mb/s constant WAN traffic at that location
17:38 < dragonfleas> so now scanning is broken
17:38 <+TuxedoJack> Gigabit LAN is constantly busy, servers have NIC teaming on, 2Gb per box
17:38 < dragonfleas> now i have to deploy the new GPO for doc redirect earlier than intended
17:38 < pfsense> Snort has AppID now but Surricata doesn't have it yet
17:38 < dragonfleas> killing myself
17:38 <+giant_it_burrit> adamb: compared to whom?
17:38 < pfsense> not that AppID actually helps to block anything
17:38 < pfsense> I actually ran both
17:38 < pfsense> Surricata to block at WAN
17:38 < pfsense> and Snort to identify traffic with blocking off
17:40 < Hatter> boy am I hungry today
17:40 < adamb> giant_it_burrit: We looked at cylance, crowdstrike, carbon black, sentinalone, PA traps and (as a benchmark) symantec
17:41 <+giant_it_burrit> cylance i didnt like both their attitude, their false positives while learning, and price. crowdstrike i didnt talk to. i liked traps but they didnt have a mac client at the time iirc
17:43 < pfsense> TuxedoJack have you gandered at this thread?  https://forum.netgate.com/topic/75295/snort-vs-suricata/4
17:43 <+layer-eight> * pfsense →  Snort vs Suricata | Netgate Forum
17:43 < dragonfleas> Why do I have two default domain policies?
17:43 < dragonfleas> WTF
17:44 < grumplestiltzkin> dragonfleas: you dun goofd
17:44 < dragonfleas> it wasn't like this before?
17:45 < dragonfleas> No wait
17:45 < dragonfleas> it looks like it's just linked twice
17:45 < dragonfleas> i'll just unlink one of them
17:46 < adamb> -!- dragonfleas has quit [Broken Pipe]
17:46 < dragonfleas> lol
17:46 < Casteil> damn, we got a new chick here.. crazy cute
17:46 < adamb> does anyone do any form of version control on GPO's? They're just XML, right?
17:47 <+TuxedoJack> pfsense: nope, havem
17:47 <+TuxedoJack> *Haven't
17:47 < pfsense> from what they are saying Snort is slightly better than Surricata right now
17:48 < aName> Seriously how the fuck are you going to enable something by default then charge people to turn it off
17:48 < aName> Fucking MS
17:48 <+TuxedoJack> aName: Teams, or Clutter?
17:49 < estranger> like phoning home
17:49 < aName> TuxedoJack: "Windows Hello" 2FA
17:50 < aName> The documentation I can find wants you to manage it through 'InTune', but that's a premium feature
17:50 <+TuxedoJack> aName: disable Hello via GPO
17:50 <+TuxedoJack> And fuck 'em
17:50 < aName> TuxedoJack: Where?
17:50 <+TuxedoJack> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/identity-protection/hello-for-business/hello-manage-in-organization
17:50 <+layer-eight> * TuxedoJack →  Manage Windows Hello in your organization (Windows 10) | Microsoft Docs
17:50 <+TuxedoJack> User configuration and Computer Configuration under Policies > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Hello for Business.
17:51 <+TuxedoJack> Those fuckers want anything other than SMS / e-mail as 2FA, they can fuck right off
17:51 <+TuxedoJack> Biometrics are bullshit
17:52 < asimon> Can't reset a fingerprint
17:52 < estranger> im a fan of lumidigm readers
17:52 < aName> TuxedoJack: They don't offer email lol
17:52 <+TuxedoJack> Not without a hot stove
17:52 < ekaj> you can with a razor
17:52 <+TuxedoJack> Just like in childcare!
17:52 < aName> And I don't have the phone for the people I'm setting it up for
17:52 < adamb> belt sander
17:52 < estranger> cant steal your capillary layout like a fingerprint
17:52 < estranger> works under more situations than a fingerprint
17:53 < adamb> works great for employee retention if you mandate the return of all authentication tokens to the company
17:53 < aName> God I hate this azure crap
17:53 < estranger> like asian women often have shallow printer grooves.. harder for traditional readers to read
17:53 < estranger> s/printer/print
17:53  * adamb rattles his fingerbox
17:53 <+layer-eight> [SED estranger] like asian women often have shallow print grooves.. harder for traditional readers to read
17:54 <+giant_it_burrit> adamb: did you respond already to what you went with and why?
17:55 < adamb> nope, didn't see you ask sorry - we're still in the trial phase, and we selected crowdstrike
17:55 < adamb> happy with it so far
17:56 < Hatter> tf is WIndows Hello
17:57 <+giant_it_burrit> adamb: why crowdstrike?
17:57 < aName> Hatter: Some bullshit standing in my way
17:58 < aName> Which is apparently enabled by default and I can't find it in azure AD
17:58 < Hatter> Did you ever see a whale with a polka dot tail?
17:58 < aName> I did once teach a whale to jump out of its tail
17:59 < Hatter> the heck you say
17:59 < aName> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvHHYCGQEEM
17:59 <+layer-eight> * aName →  YouTube → wkuk- Teached a Whale to Jump Out of It's Tail → ⚘ 90,303 ↑ 587 ↓ 6 ✍ 136
18:02 < estranger> im a fan of a good whale tail
18:03 < abakedapplepie> lol my 2 year long joke finally came to fruition, and he didnt even catch it
18:03 < abakedapplepie> coworker - "Hey you have a box over here with "H" on the side, it has HDD's in it 1TB's, 2TB's and 3TB's, can I use those? I need a couple of the 2TBs for a server I am putting together to test a restore on"
18:03 < abakedapplepie> https://i.redditmedia.com/efrOyhWCk2u17cEXmi96GRWXyCICIQ-GcMV8kUiwDSQ.jpg?w=320&s=4d721a93f18de65388dbb153776c82f2
18:03 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 19,750 bytes
18:04 < Hatter> be careful, that H might be for Hornets
18:04 < Hatter> oh I didn't click your link
18:04 < Hatter> and made the same joke
18:05 < Hatter> how embarrassing
18:05 < abakedapplepie> lol
18:08 < vavkamil> I want box full of HDD's
18:08 < abakedapplepie> no you dont
18:08 < abakedapplepie> these are old and dusty
18:08 < abakedapplepie> you want a box of hornets
18:08 < abakedapplepie> they go bzz bzz bzz
18:11 < vavkamil> that might be good as s white noise generator
18:18 < JFDkthx>  fuck
18:18 < JFDkthx> i was supposed to leave at 2 today
18:18 < JFDkthx> but i scheduled a meeting for 3
18:18 < JFDkthx> and it's not a skype meeting either.
18:19 < JFDkthx> shoot me
18:19  * asimon shoots
18:21 < Atro> what do you guys use for editing memes
18:22 < JFDkthx> ms paint
18:23 < JFDkthx> that way my memes look like this
18:23 < JFDkthx> https://i.imgur.com/lcfMnLx.png
18:23 <+layer-eight> * JFDkthx →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → 13 days ago → DotA2 → 700x2693 → ⚘ 38,488
18:23 < JFDkthx> it's like a legacy
18:24 < Atro> is that a fucking dota 2 meme
18:24 < Atro> jesus christ
18:24 < abakedapplepie> lol
18:24 < JFDkthx> yes
18:27 < dragonfleas> Ok, fuck folder redirection
18:27 < dragonfleas> Seriously, why do organizations use folder redirection
18:28 < vavkamil> wtf
18:29 < vavkamil> didn't even know that it's a thing
18:29 < JFDkthx> why dont you like folder redirection
18:29 < ekaj> Because it allows people to move computers without the hassle of roaming desktops
18:30 < vavkamil> can you somehow tell that the folder is redirected, like for example .lnk shortcut?
18:30 < JFDkthx> its not a symlink
18:31 < abakedapplepie> i think net use will show it
18:31 < abakedapplepie> i forget
18:31 < abakedapplepie> havent troubleshot redirected folders in a while
18:31  * L3gacy runs through the Philly NOC naked
18:32 < L3gacy> Resume' is almost ready!
18:32 < JFDkthx> abakedapplepie: cant you go to the properties and see it's redirected there.
18:32 < abakedapplepie> JFDkthx i am not sure if group policy based redirection will show up there
18:32 < abakedapplepie> but maybe
18:32 < estranger> 401N Broad?
18:32 < L3gacy> >.>
18:33 < estranger> that place is interesting.. used to be a tank factory (as in military tanks) iirc
18:33 < L3gacy> I cannot reveal my location, for .. I AM CAPTAIN NAKIES!
18:33 < L3gacy> Polishing my dildo resume'
18:34 < abakedapplepie> i thought you were unemployed
18:34 < abakedapplepie> what are you doing in a NOC
18:34 < L3gacy> Did I say I was working?  I'm running naked
18:34 < L3gacy> I've had 5 monsters since 6am
18:34 < mrghostman> you are one weird ass dude
18:35 < L3gacy> my left shoulder and BACK hurt like hell
18:35 < abakedapplepie> who let you in a NOC
18:35 < L3gacy> I'm joking about the NOC, not the severe pain
18:35 < L3gacy> I'm redoing my resume'
18:35 < abakedapplepie> we're all in severe pain
18:35 < ekaj> what kind of job you looking for L3gacy
18:35 < L3gacy> I mean like coughing makes me wanna shit in pain
18:35 < L3gacy> I think my heart is like, "Dude?! WTF?!"
18:35 < grumplestiltzkin> try some twoball ointment
18:36 < abakedapplepie> typically coughing does not precipitate shitting
18:36 < L3gacy> NOC jockey would be fine
18:36 < abakedapplepie> you might want to go to a doctor
18:36 < L3gacy> the chest pain...
18:36 < ekaj> What kind of NOC jockey
18:36 < L3gacy> I know linux, how to google, and Cisco
18:36 < L3gacy> Cisco is bae
18:36 < ekaj> no windows / security stuff?
18:36 < ekaj> or CCNA etc?
18:36 < L3gacy> I know Win :)
18:37 < L3gacy> I had 4 semesters of Cisco from basic switch config, to firewalling and WAN
18:37 < L3gacy> Got my academic and career certs for Net operations
18:37 < L3gacy> ONE class shy of a DUAL AAS
18:38 < L3gacy> Not dual ASS :P
18:38 < L3gacy> Had to throw that in :P
18:39 < ekaj> TFW people own servers and don't know shit about them
18:39 < admiralspark> ekaj: you mean half of the people in our field?
18:39 < ekaj> TFW people don't follow change management but bitch when you ask them about their own servers they know nothing about
18:39 < L3gacy> ekaj, I know iLO :)
18:39 < L3gacy> I know how many times to hit A, too.
18:40  * L3gacy glares at HP's security
18:40 < admiralspark> A A A A A A A A
18:40 < narziss> Azure SQL. How to get a copy of my bloody db.
18:40 < narziss> JUST GIVE IT TO ME GODDAMNIT
18:40 < estranger> DATA AUTONOMY
18:40 < admiralspark> narziss: it's in the cloud, it's floating in the sky now
18:40 < narziss> Fart in the Wind backup methodology.
18:40 < narziss> No good.
18:41 < L3gacy> Ooo.  This is a token ring network.  The token must have fallen out of the wire...
18:41 < binaryhermit> s/en.ing
18:41 < estranger> 16mbit is enough for anyone
18:41 < binaryhermit> err
18:41 < L3gacy> The token is lost in the ethernet
18:41 < binaryhermit> s/en/ing
18:41 <+layer-eight> [SED binaryhermit/L3gacy] The toking is lost in the ethernet
18:41 < narziss> L3gacy. Tell the user they need to perform an air dump.
18:41 < narziss> ...by pulling out both ends of the cables,
18:41 < narziss> placing each end in their mouth
18:41 < ekaj> TFW people ask you about documentation they say doesn't exist, but it's literally right in front of them
18:42 < narziss> then blowing hard, to push the air out of the copper wire.
18:42 < ekaj> ONE OF THOSE DAYS
18:42 < JFDkthx> L3gacy: ur a dual ass
18:42 < L3gacy> Thankie :)
18:52 < pfsense> I turned on Snort and all the rules and set it to block everything it catches.  That's right folks I'm living on the bleeding edge of life
18:53 < corn266_> snort is the superior firewall
18:53 < pfsense> snort is an application that can enhance your firewall
18:53 < estranger> oh boy
18:54 < adamb> pfsense: better hope your ISP is implementing BCP38, otherwise someone could pull off the old "stop hitting yourself" attack
18:54 < adamb> sending you traffic using your own source address and having the IDS block... you
18:55 < corn266> Is it possible to have 2 drives (not in raid) as the storage area for a samba share?
18:55 < pfsense> Snort has built in tools to not block your own IP lmao
18:55 < JFDkthx> where is the fun in that
18:55 < JFDkthx> how else do you learn how to create rules.
18:55 < JFDkthx> corn266: create a lvm?
18:57 < adamb> corn266: several ways to do it, lvm as JFDkthx, or the term you are looking for (if you have a RAID controller) is JBOD
18:58 < corn266> No raid controller, but JBOD would be optimal. Also these are external hard drives
18:58 < adamb> could maybe hack something together with unionfs maybe
18:58 < admiralspark> Have...you guys seen anythign weird with specifically windows 7 printing issues in the last month or so?
18:59 < admiralspark> We have VDI for w7 and w10 and only our w7 machines are having sporadinc printing issues
18:59 < adamb> application might have support for it too, I know elasticsearch you can just tell it to use an additional path for indices
18:59 < admiralspark> s/sporadinc/sporadic
18:59 <+layer-eight> [SED admiralspark] We have VDI for w7 and w10 and only our w7 machines are having sporadic printing issues
19:00 < admiralspark> specifically on server 2008r2/2012r2 print services boxes
19:00 < Hatter> sporadic means it's occurring irregularly
19:00 < admiralspark> well, let me rephrase. IT's seemingly random print queues but they permanently break on the system
19:00 < admiralspark> so I can't even make a new queue with the same name
19:01 < admiralspark> new queue locally, pointing to the printer share of the old queue, works great tho
19:01 < JFDkthx> admiralspark: make a cron job to create a new queue
19:01 < admiralspark> lol
19:02 < JFDkthx> everything is solved by cron jobs
19:02 < JFDkthx> google me wrong
19:02 < admiralspark> well, today it's printing to the queues, but one of them now apparently has forgotten the meaning of "margins"
19:02 < admiralspark> JFDkthx: you ain't wrong
19:02 < admiralspark> have a 2016 server with a cron job to restart a service daily
19:02 < admiralspark> to fix an issue
19:03 < AccidentallyTheC> heh; last place I worked, we had a system that'd crash frequently. So one of the offsite teams decided to put a cronjob to restart the service instead of looking for the cause. turned out to be running out of memory, 5 seconds in the logs
19:07 < JFDkthx> AccidentallyTheC: had a similar issue. someone would always restart our nis master weekly because it would slow down.
19:08 < JFDkthx> just doing a top showed that there was a password checker running to see if peope were using weak passwords
19:08 < L3gacy> Enix  Ping
19:08 < JFDkthx> removed that cron, and now everything is great.
19:09 < grumplestiltzkin> "wallet inspector"
19:13 < JFDkthx> we've got these sea salt popcorn chips. and i find myself wanting to just lick them and throw them away.
19:14 < estranger> thats how i feel about my tinder dates
19:14 < JFDkthx> oof
19:14 < JFDkthx> at least you got your dog
19:14 < AnimalFarmPig> it shouldn't be the first thing that you pull out of the toolbox, but cron job to restart a service is a great bandaid after you've already investigated an issue can't find a resolution and want some time to look into it more
19:14 < estranger> yeah use monitd to restart your shitty services =)
19:15 < JFDkthx> the hell is monitd
19:15 < JFDkthx> No manual entry for monitd
19:15 < JFDkthx> lies
19:15 < admiralspark> man monit?
19:15 < admiralspark> no d?
19:15 < estranger> https://mmonit.com/monit/
19:15 < JFDkthx> i refuse
19:15 <+layer-eight> * estranger →  Easy, proactive monitoring of processes, programs, files, directories, filesystems and hosts | Monit
19:15 < JFDkthx> he had his chance
19:15 < admiralspark> lol
19:16 < admiralspark> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monit
19:16 <+layer-eight> * admiralspark →  Monit - Wikipedia
19:16 < estranger> figured you were beyond sys admin 101 and would know monitd is the daemon name for monit
19:16 < AnimalFarmPig> had a problem at a previous gig where nginx would randomly hang about once a month. We spend days investigating could never find the issue. nginx just stopped responding to any requests. I wanted to have a cron job to restart it occasionally, but other guy said "That's a bandaid, we can't do that!" so he got to be the guy who dealt with it (by restarting the service manually) when it died at 3 AM
19:16 < admiralspark> kinda cool
19:16 < JFDkthx> estranger: who do you take me for, dragonfleas
19:16 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: you mean he made his job mandatory :P
19:16 < estranger> JFDkthx, sorry thought you were linuxdood
19:16 < JFDkthx> har har har
19:16 < AnimalFarmPig> admiralspark: haha, I guess. It was annoying though, because I would still catch flak for the downtime.
19:17 < JFDkthx> AnimalFarmPig: 5 9s baby!!!
19:17 < insecurity> i ate
19:18 < admiralspark> AnimalFarmPig: the service I'm restarting is SNMP, which in server 2016 1607 will crash when the windows update dialog box pops up. SNMP is deprecated in 2016 1607 so I'm SOL
19:18 < estranger> wait
19:18 < estranger> snmp is depreciated??
19:19 < JFDkthx> estranger: i for one never appreciated it
19:19 < narziss> wtf is up with windows server and updates
19:19 < narziss> now that shiz is forcing updates all the time
19:19 < strive> lol
19:19 <+voice> narziss, has Windows ever been able to do any updates on any version properly or without pissing someone off?
19:19 < AnimalFarmPig> snmp deprecated... wow
19:19 < narziss> and ya have to edit a local policy to stop it
19:19 < strive> I have to enable snmp (echo requests v4) in order to have the server get pinged.
19:20 < narziss> voice, i guess they need to keep us on our toes.
19:20 < narziss> You asked for it! Linux and Windows together! But fuck you, heres constant updates.
19:20 <+voice> I can't see Microsoft axing snmp, a lot of third-party apps rely on it
19:20 < narziss> On your servers.
19:20 < estranger> yeah im confused.. what is replacing snmp?
19:20 < narziss> Microsoft COULD axe it.
19:20 < narziss> And just say use AZURE.
19:20 < estranger> do you just not have to monitor your shit anymore?
19:20 < narziss> Which Azure can't help with but they'll try it anyway.
19:20 <+voice> I remember someone saying WMI was the future
19:21 < syere> mac did axe the headphone port, MS could easily axe snmp
19:21 < narziss> MS would axe it by saying use Azure SNMP
19:21 < narziss> but AZURE SNMP is not SNMP.
19:21 < narziss> so...
19:21 < narziss> just pay us?
19:21 < estranger> just get your cross region vnet's working right
19:22 < grumplestiltzkin> iirc windows still only natively supports SNMP v1
19:22 < AnimalFarmPig> thing about headphone jack is that it's simple and people like using it. snmp on the other hand...
19:22 < AnimalFarmPig> wouldn't take a lot of courage to axe :P
19:22 <+voice> I can see Microsoft going the fuck you pay me route
19:22 < syere> MS is doing the whole service fee thing. Windows will be free, but snmp with be a extra $10 a month
19:23 < estranger> heh
19:23 < estranger> they'll meter it by hour, that is the cloud-way.. snmp is $0.05/hr to be enabled on your instance
19:24 < strive> o_O
19:24 <+voice> base Windows is $40/mo, want AD? thats $80/mo with a minimum 120GB storage backend at $1.50/GB
19:24 < syere> you want to access your servers? $0.50/h for RDP access
19:25 < estranger> now you can use lambda style programming to enable snmp only when you need it .. to reduce cost. who cares about complexity!
19:25 < syere> nonono, obviously if you dont need snmp running you just shut off the instance to save money!
19:26 < AnimalFarmPig> fuck lambda. I just made executive decision to move one of my current projects off of it. More trouble than it's worth.
19:26 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, lol
19:26 < grumplestiltzkin> hm.  I thought SNMP v1 was officially depricated in the late 90s/early 2000s at some point, but can't find a reference now
19:27 < syere> According to my excel sheet, if we keep turning off services and servers at the rate when we decommed a datacenter, we should have a hosting bill of under $100 a month to run a enterprise cloud setup! (sadly, I've heard this)
19:27 < AnimalFarmPig> Life is going to be so much easier with a real server
19:28 < servchan> boom
19:29 < servchan> `lucky
19:29  * layer-eight points a 6 chamber revolver with one round loaded at servchan, and spins (6 slots remaining)
19:29 <+layer-eight> *click* - Looks like you get to live another day servchan
19:29 < servchan> shakalaka
19:29 < admiralspark> grumplestiltzkin: no, it works fine with 2c
19:29 < admiralspark> I promise, I use it :P
19:30 < admiralspark> also, it's deprecated
19:30 < servchan> we got some intern doing some slack and fb shiz
19:30 < servchan> I guess schools teaching them to be dev ops these days
19:30 < grumplestiltzkin> yeah, I'm pretty sure its all ded except v3
19:30 < admiralspark> in favor of any of the WinRM/ws-management
19:30 < admiralspark> no, v3 never was supported on WS
19:31 < dragonfleas> JFDkthx, you stinky
19:31 < admiralspark> unfortunately my monitoring server doesn't support anything BUT snmp
19:32 < admiralspark> I may have to be the change I want to see in the world
19:36 < Casteil> ahh.. kinda nice not being in an office right next to the bathrooms now
19:36 < Casteil> can't hear people blowing up toilets anymore
19:36 < Casteil> plus I now have a big corner office with 2 windows.. movin up in the world
19:36 < spicynuts> ha
19:37 < spicynuts> jacked
19:37 < spicynuts> `seen himwatchingpornatwork cryptic1
19:37 <+layer-eight> Seen → cryptic1 → cryptic1 → Saying stay the fuck away from cisco amp via Log on #reddit-sysadmin 16 hours ago
19:37 < pfsense> wow my VOIP provider is so fuckin smart
19:37 < pfsense> "Nah we won't give you a list of our domain names or IPs"
19:38 < MikeSpears> pfsense: we know you're felda
19:38 < pfsense> OOPS you just blocked all SIP traffic :D
19:38 < pfsense> OOPS you just blocked all VOIP traffic
19:38 < grumplestiltzkin> s/VOIP/DNS
19:38 < MikeSpears> rekt
19:38 <+layer-eight> [SED grumplestiltzkin/pfsense] OOPS you just blocked all DNS traffic
19:38 < pfsense> DNS is now good
19:39 < pfsense> also
19:39 < pfsense> cryptic1 did not invent DNS
19:39 < pfsense> it were in fact me that did
19:39 < KyleG> > cryptic1 did not invent DNS
19:39 < pfsense> that's why it's so good
19:39 < KyleG> fake news
19:39 < spicynuts> explosion in pants
19:39 < grumplestiltzkin> do yall spell the acronym "D, N, S" or say 'dennis' ?
19:39 < hxcsp> D N S
19:39 < grumplestiltzkin> or the even saucier 'denis'
19:40 < spicynuts> DNR
19:40 < hxcsp> now do you say.. V O I P or Voyp
19:40 < Casteil> FYI if you guys aren't aware of STIGs: https://www.stigviewer.com/stig/windows_server_2016/
19:40 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  Windows Server 2016 Security Technical Implementation Guide
19:40 < grumplestiltzkin> hxcsp: 'voyp'
19:40 < pfsense> hxcsp I say voyp
19:40 < spicynuts> I say voep
19:40 < genr8_> what about EULA
19:41 < estranger> It's "Vee Oh Ip"
19:41 < grumplestiltzkin> I say 'squeal' over splling S Q L or  sequal
19:41 < hxcsp> sequel
19:41 < hxcsp> no sequel
19:41 < spicynuts> see cool
19:41 < estranger> yes. no squeal is the best squeal
19:41 < Heresiarch> ...now I'm imagining a dev screaming "SQUEAL! SQUEAL LIKE A PIG!" at a db server.
19:41 < genr8_> SCSI scuzzy might be the best one
19:42 < hxcsp> genr8_: eye scuzzy
19:42 < Sousapro> I say 'derp'
19:42 < genr8_> data error recovery prevention
19:42 < pfsense> basically I had to say fuck you to our VOIP provider
19:42 < spicynuts> DP in ya
19:42 < estranger> pfsense, over what codec?
19:42 < hxcsp> pfsense: who needs phones anyways felda
19:42 < pfsense> and just scrapped our logs for what our phones connect to
19:42 < pfsense> then looked up their ASN
19:42 < genr8_> remember when Vonage was all the rage ?
19:42 < Sousapro> SQL vs Sequel
19:42 < pfsense> I was like
19:43 < pfsense> now why in the fuck could you just not give me your ASN?!
19:43 < estranger> "fuck you" over g729 has a nice tone to it
19:43 < Sousapro> It depends on if you're talking about the language or specific flavors
19:43 < Sousapro> Autonomous Salami Network
19:43 < genr8_> ASN ? 14/f/?
19:43 < hxcsp> genr8_: N stands for Nudes?
19:43 < adamb> MiPpLeS!
19:43 < genr8_> whatever u want bb
19:43 < estranger> welcome to "the list"
19:44 < hxcsp> ;)
19:44 < Sousapro> Bum gap protocol
19:44 < pfsense> had to whitelist microsoft ASNs as well
19:44 < pfsense> can't have Office365 getting blocked
19:44 < adamb> Sousapro: makes me smile whenever I'm readin the release notes for JunOS and it refers to "BUM traffic"
19:45 < Sousapro> pfsense: that's a feature
19:45 < m4221> Sousapro: no ticket, no service, right
19:45 < m4221> ?
19:46 < Sousapro> ++
19:46 < chris_hansen> genr8_: have a seat right there
19:46 < estranger> brb, getting some fresh lemonaid
19:50 < m4221> Code_Man65 sucks large girth coaxial cables
19:50 <@Code_Man65> No m4221, that's your mom.
19:50 < pfsense> Code_Man65 if you -q felda I'll stop living the meme
19:50 < Hatter> hey come on guys
19:50 < Sousapro> Age/Sex/network protocol?
19:50 < pfsense> cryptic1 cursed me last friday while you were gone
19:50 < m4221> Sousapro: 35/m/fbi
19:50 < felda> thankies
19:50 < Heresiarch> Sousapro: old/m/BANYAN VINES, MOTHAFUCKA
19:50 <@Code_Man65> You're welcome
19:52 < Sousapro> Heresiarch: hell yeah
19:53 < Sousapro> 30/m/RFC 1149
19:53 < Sousapro> IP over Avian Carrier
19:53 < m4221> Code_Man65: are you dennis nedry?  We have a problem with the perimeter fence
19:53 <@Code_Man65> m4221:  You didn't say the magic word.
19:53 < estranger> Ahh Ahh AHhhhh
19:53 < m4221> Code_Man65: hahahahahaha
19:54 < grumplestiltzkin> s/meme/dreme
19:54 <+layer-eight> [SED grumplestiltzkin/pfsense] Code_Man65 if you -q felda I'll stop living the dreme
19:54 < onicrom> why do people think that 'recall' works when sending emails outside of their org
19:55 < adamb> hope
19:55 < estranger> heh
19:55 < Heresiarch> ^
19:55 < estranger> I use delayed send
19:55 < onicrom> me too
19:55 < m4221> onicrom: I had someone do that after sending ssns in the clear
19:55 < onicrom> and sometimes i hit send on emails i dont wanna send
19:55 < onicrom> kjust cuz it feels good
19:55 < onicrom> lol
19:55 < m4221> onicrom: fuck you! *clicks recall*
19:56 < adamb> onicrom: sounds like the email equivalent of a danger wank
19:56 < onicrom> m4221: oh damn, do you have DLP? we have ours on but not blocking
19:56 < onicrom> adamb: That is exactly what it is
19:56 < m4221> onicrom: nope
19:56 < onicrom> well said
19:56 < m4221> onicrom: suck it
19:56 < m4221> Oh shut
19:56 < m4221> Recall!
19:56 < grumplestiltzkin> to be fair, if nobody explains 'the undo button doesnt really undo' to normal enduser, why would they have any reason to think it doesn't work as advertised?
19:56 < onicrom> grumplestiltzkin: its a fair point
19:57 < onicrom> people's general lack of IT will never stop surprising me
19:57 < m4221> onicrom: it was a full hipaa incident
19:57 < onicrom> and its getting worse, there was a period where you actually needed to know stuff to use them
19:57 < onicrom> now its all but gone
19:57 < onicrom> m4221: do you have DLP now :)?
19:58 < Heresiarch> "We'll just pay the fine and train people not to do that."
19:58 < Heresiarch> "Less expensive than DLP."
19:58 < onicrom> haha
19:58 < onicrom> gsuite has DLP builtin
19:58 < estranger> whats DLP
19:58 < onicrom> data loss protection
19:58 < adamb> I like the recall function, it's a good indicator of emails that I relly want to read
19:58 < estranger> ahh scan for shit and if it contains shit block it from sending?
19:59 < onicrom> you put in rules that scan your emails, documents etc for strings, like ssn credit card wire transfers
19:59 < onicrom> and set it to block, warn, or just watch
19:59 < onicrom> lol adamb
19:59 < Heresiarch> who the hell would set warn/watch in a HIPAA org?
20:00 < estranger> Heresiarch, JFDkthx
20:00 < Heresiarch> estranger: nah, that poor bastard has to deal with worse than HIPAA.
20:00 < estranger> Oracle?
20:00 < adamb> If someone switches on DLP, how will I email my 12 digit number collection to my personal address?
20:00 < estranger> *Oracle Licensing
20:01 < Heresiarch> estranger: probably. ITAR, more generally. But he *just* got his last NIS domain off of solaris, to give you an idea.
20:01 < estranger> oo interesting
20:05 < corn266> So the guy who set up our samba shares never added the drive to the fstab file
20:06 < Maarten> corn266, that's annoying with reboots ;)
20:07 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking Christ, if you're going to only allow SSH in, at least fucking allow VNC over it
20:07 < adamb> *whispers* systemd will automagically mount properly labled filesystems
20:07 <+TuxedoJack> Goddamn shit-ass stupid fucks
20:07 <+TuxedoJack> Dipshit sets up Ubuntu Server and fucking doesn't set up VNC on it
20:08 <@Code_Man65> Why the hell do you need VNC?
20:08 <@Code_Man65> Just use X11 forwarding
20:08 < Maarten> ...why would you run a graphical interface on a linux server anyways? I can't even remember the last time I used VNC for a server....
20:08 < adamb> s/X11/the goddamn terminal
20:08 <+layer-eight> [SED adamb/Code_Man65] Just use the goddamn terminal forwarding
20:08 <+TuxedoJack> Because my fucking tier 1s are idiots
20:08 < KyleG> lol
20:08 <+TuxedoJack> And somehow, we got a client with fuckall for documentation dropped on us
20:08 < KyleG> blame your underlings instead of teaching them? SHAME
20:09 < KyleG> :P
20:09 <+TuxedoJack> And the dipshit previous tech set them up on Ubuntu server and GSuite because they're a fucking nonprofit and didn't want to spend money
20:09 < admiralspark> KyleG: don't get him started, he hates his T1's
20:09 < KyleG> lol
20:09 <+TuxedoJack> For fuck's sake, they have a shit-ass WD NAS as primary storage
20:09  * KyleG backs away
20:09 < admiralspark> TuxedoJack: take a shot of whiskey
20:09 < admiralspark> it's gonna be okay
20:09 <+TuxedoJack> admiralspark: I have kittens here, it'll be fine
20:10 < admiralspark> dragonfleas_ can tell you all about nonprofit bullshittery, he's lonewolfing one :P
20:10 < admiralspark> d'TuxedoJack: awwwwwwwww
20:10 < admiralspark> TuxedoJack: d'awwwwwwwww
20:10 <@systemdee> yo KyleG
20:10 <@systemdee> PMs
20:11 < Maarten> TuxedoJack, that doesn't sound like a walk-away-now scenario..... it sounds like a RUN and never look back scenario. :D
20:11 < grumplestiltzkin> TuxedoJack: so it's clear you have a 'can of worms' situation.   Any idea how many cans?
20:11 <+TuxedoJack> grumplestiltzkin: no fucking clue
20:11 < Maarten> And how many worms per can :P
20:11 <+TuxedoJack> Maarten: see, if we'd gotten fucking documentation from their previous tech, it wouldn't be bad
20:11 <+TuxedoJack> All we got was the SSH key, root password, and "fuck you, I quit."
20:11 <+TuxedoJack> Quote unfucking quote
20:12 <+TuxedoJack> He dropped his keys on the desk and walked out
20:12 < admiralspark> I mean, isn't it your job to figure that stuff out though? He probably was treated like shit and told to cobble shit together with duct tape
20:13 < admiralspark> IDK man, I love having documentation and I make sure now to make it, but, I can understand the desire to watch a business burn down
20:13 < admiralspark> coming from the MSP world
20:13 <+TuxedoJack> I don't care if he was treated like shit or not
20:13 <+DrGibby|> same, admiralspark
20:13 <+TuxedoJack> That's not something you fucking do
20:13 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: or a phone server. I like burning those :P
20:13 <+DrGibby|> SPEAKING OF
20:13 <+DrGibby|> LOGIN AN FIX MINE
20:13 <+DrGibby|> :P
20:13 < admiralspark> TuxedoJack: sounds like he was outsourced, I wouldn't help the company my job is being outsourced to either. Sorry m8
20:13 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: you said it worked!?!?
20:13 < abakedapplepie> https://github.com/Duelr/Play-Notes well thats neat
20:13 <+layer-eight> * abakedapplepie →  GitHub → Duelr → Play-Notes → A simple Powershell function that lets you write/play songs in musical notation using the Beep() function in windows. → @ ~ 4 days ago → PowerShell → ✡ 7 → Forks: 1 → ☹ 1
20:14 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark: yeah, it worked by calling the police at 6am
20:14 <+DrGibby|> shit is still broke
20:14 < adamb> TuxedoJack: I disagree, but maybe that's my lefty liberal european bias talking. We're employees, not slaves.
20:15 < adamb> We don't owe the company anything
20:15 <+TuxedoJack> admiralspark: he was an internal employee who was about to get fired for incompetence
20:15 <+TuxedoJack> Not outsourced
20:16 < vinrock> jesus christ
20:16 < vinrock> im building a porsche macan just for shits n giggles
20:16 < vinrock> 55k base price
20:16 < vinrock> without even trying i just added $45k in options
20:16 < vinrock> dafuq
20:16 < estranger> heh
20:17 < vinrock> it's a glorified tiguan
20:20 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/pOnzTejP/image.png surprisingly useful
20:20 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 2,288,204 bytes
20:21 < Nightcinder> vinrock: that reminds me of the '$35k' model 3
20:21 < aName> Ewwwwwww they want us tracking our time now
20:21 < aName> Time to leave
20:21 < Nightcinder> lol
20:21 < Nightcinder> someone get caught nappin?
20:22 < aName> Nightcinder: We merged with some other company and now we have to bill our hours to them
20:22 < Nightcinder> rekt
20:22 < Heresiarch> Nightcinder: nobody expects to pay a small amount of money for a Porsche. Tesla half-lied their way to get the Model 3 going.
20:22 < aName> Nightcinder: But yeah... time to move on.
20:22 < vinrock> ah yeah i heard about that things actual price nightcinder
20:22 < vinrock> pretty much same as a model s iirc
20:22 < Nightcinder>    a model 3 will cost you around..65 iirc
20:22 < aName> This is not a job where time tracking makes sense.
20:22 < aName> There's no 'this takes this long' chart
20:22 < Nightcinder> i'm hopeful in 5 years i can afford to buy an actually nice car
20:23 < Nightcinder> i don't want another entry level car
20:23 < aName> But hey, if you want billable hours, I'll do everything the stupid way
20:23 < aName> Because how do you bill 'I waited for a script to finish but did other things while it was going'
20:24 < mrghostman> 0.5 hrs - watched progress bar
20:24 < Heresiarch> aName: bill the time for the script running, and the other things. HORY SHIT YOU GOT 60 HOURS WORTH OF WORK DONE IN 40. :)
20:24 < aName> Heresiarch: My boss was joking about this - how do you explain 36 hours of productivity in one day?
20:25 < aName> (I consistently get perfect marks in 'Productivity' on my annual reviews, but spend most of my day slacking lol)
20:25 < Heresiarch> aName: sign of a well-run env.
20:25 < vinrock> damnit dell
20:25 < Heresiarch> (or at least, a biz-savvy IT team)
20:25 < vinrock> +$220 to go from 128gb to 250gb m.2 ssd
20:26 < vinrock> you can get a 250gb 960 evo for under $120
20:26 < aName> Heresiarch: "Well, it looks like you entered about a thousand times as much order data as any other employee... now I know you used a script to do it, but that doesn't matter."
20:26 < Nightcinder> Nissan admits emissions data falsified at plants in Japan
20:26 < Nightcinder> anyone shocked? no? ok
20:26 < aName> Heresiarch: And yeah - my boss told me when he hired me, the more time I can spend leaning back reading reddit because I scripted all my work, the better
20:27 < Heresiarch> aName: that's what a lot of folk don't get. It *really doesn't* matter how it gets done (within reason), so automation is in the interest of both admins and the business.
20:27 < Casteil> >digging through credit transactions trying to root out a bug
20:27 < Nightcinder> well it's like the people who think IT guys sit around all day long
20:27 < Casteil> >come across a $60,000 credit transaction
20:27 < Nightcinder> ..i mean i'm on reddit and irc but still
20:27 < Casteil> jesus CHRIST!
20:28 < aName> Nightcinder: A large part of your job is a responsive role
20:28 < aName> Nightcinder: So...
20:28 < Nightcinder> exactly
20:28 < Nightcinder> so the fact we aren't 100% busy like other roles are
20:28 < Nightcinder> doesn't mean we aren't necessary
20:28 < Nightcinder> and doesn't mean you should be forced to write your hours worked etc down
20:31 < tapoxi> whats a good terminal emulator on windoze
20:31 < aName> putty
20:31 < tapoxi> ideally one with tiling
20:31 < AnimalFarmPig> kitty > putty
20:31 < aName> Although I really like mremoteng
20:31 < abakedapplepie> royalts > mremoteng
20:31 < abakedapplepie> x10000000
20:31 < Holo> Cygwin
20:31 < Heresiarch> WSL + ubuntu?
20:31 < Holo> :p
20:32 < dragonfleas_> I just realized I was called about non-profit
20:32 < tapoxi> Heresiarch: yeah a term emulator to use with WSL
20:32 < dragonfleas_> what does anyone wanna know about the non-profit hell
20:32 < abakedapplepie> nothing
20:32 < Heresiarch> tapoxi: I was thinking WSL as a term emulator, but you do you fam. ;)
20:32 < Holo> Because we like living in hell?
20:32 < tapoxi> Heresiarch: wait wat
20:33 < aName> I do wish mremoteng had an anydesk plugin though
20:33 < Heresiarch> tapoxi: you won't get tiling, but you'd at least get a half-decent shell.
20:33 < aName> That's about the only thing that could make it better
20:33 < tapoxi> Heresiarch: I mean I hate that shell I want another terminal emulator to use WSL locally
20:34 < Heresiarch> tapoxi: u wot m8
20:34 < tapoxi> tiling, tabs, infinite history, themes etc
20:34 < Holo> Oh I know
20:34 < Holo> Shit was was it called
20:34 < Holo> https://hyper.is
20:34 <+layer-eight> * Holo →  Hyper™
20:35 < narziss> aName + abakedpapplepie
20:35 < narziss> tell me more about this mremoteng pls
20:35 < tapoxi> oh my god an electron based term emu
20:35 < rpifan> so ive applied for a us based remote job
20:35 < rpifan> https://angel.co/serverpilot/jobs/305309-linux-devops-support-engineer
20:35 < tapoxi> you know what I'll give it a shot
20:35 <+layer-eight> * rpifan →  Linux DevOps Support Engineer Job at ServerPilot - AngelList
20:35 < Holo> Heh, you wanted to theme it and shit
20:35 < tapoxi> Holo: yeah I just find it funny
20:35 < Heresiarch> ...we are through the looking glass.
20:35 < tapoxi> totally trying it
20:35 < blinkingprompt> are human beings just network volumes, is god our NAS
20:36 < blinkingprompt> i need coffee
20:37 <+TuxedoJack> Fuck it, it gets webmin
20:37 <+TuxedoJack> I don't have time or patience to deal with this shit
20:37 < tapoxi> rpifan: I love remote jobs
20:37 <+TuxedoJack> The fucker broke SMBLDAP-TOOLS before he left
20:37 < tapoxi> rpifan: I assume youre in the us
20:37 < alazare619> so my home domain i let lapse on namecheap
20:37 < rpifan> yea atm
20:37 < alazare619> i need a new idea for a home domain name using either .pw or .ninja
20:37 < rpifan> but if i got a remote job im sure i could just move
20:38 < tapoxi> i'm going full remote at $currentjob next year
20:38 < tapoxi> so I can move across the country
20:38 < Holo> alazare619: Vmnode.pw
20:38 < Holo> :p
20:38 < grumplestiltzkin> alazare619: paperclipfactory.pw
20:38 < tapoxi> slack makes full-remote suck less
20:38 < Holo> Slack....
20:39 < aName> narziss: It's an RDP/SSH/VNC/etc client
20:39 < alazare619> lmao password.pw is available
20:40 < aName> narziss: With tabs
20:40 < aName> Not much else to know
20:40 < rpifan_> i expect its easy enough to move when u got a remote job
20:40 < aName> rpifan_: Yeah, that's what I want to do
20:40 < aName> Good luck though
20:40 < alazare619> same for 1password.pw
20:40 < alazare619> to good
20:40 < aName> The company I work for now, the CEO told me to my face that he wants IT on site, always
20:41 < Holo> For what
20:41 < blinkingprompt> work the copy machine
20:41 < Holo> Of security is good
20:41 < Holo> If*
20:41 < aName> Holo: Butts in chairs, I guess
20:41 < rpifan_> lol
20:41 < Holo> Then why the f would he want you there 24/7?
20:41 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: juggalo.ninja
20:42 < Holo> So he wan watch you surf cat videos for the sake of network testing?
20:42 < Holo> Can*
20:42 < Holo> Dam I need a bigger phone screen
20:42 < Heresiarch> lots of managers think that if they can't walk by and see someone doing work, that they're just slacking off. This usually coincides with managers that have no idea how a department works or what it does.
20:42 < AnimalFarmPig> rpifan_, tapoxi -- if you've got full remote gig and nothing tying you down, why not relocate to a low cost of living country, like in latin america or the good parts of Europe. You'd be living the dream.
20:43 < rpifan_> i do plan to move to europe
20:43 < rpifan_> i dont mind where in europe tho
20:43 < tapoxi> AnimalFarmPig: nope moving to expensive coastal us city lmaooooo
20:43 < Holo> If IT is doing nothing then everything is golden
20:43 < AnimalFarmPig> work remote for US company; live in Hungary/Romania/Poland/Croatia/Malta/etc.; ???????;  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
20:43 < AnimalFarmPig> tapoxi: I think you're doing it wrong :P
20:44 < rpifan_> i want warm
20:44 < grumplestiltzkin> the Canary islands is probably the only place in Europe I would want to live
20:44 < rpifan_> so i guess spain
20:44 < AnimalFarmPig> then you want Malta
20:44 < tapoxi> I saved a shitload of money when I worked for a boston company and lived in florida
20:44 < rpifan_> barcelona is supposed to be the warmest
20:44 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig: do i look like a 30 year old fat male who drinks faygo and sleeps with fat chicks?
20:44 < AnimalFarmPig> Malta has low taxes, supposed to be decent gun laws, and best climate in the EU
20:44 < alazare619> AnimalFarmPig:  dont answer that...
20:45 < Holo> Yes alazare619
20:45 < AnimalFarmPig> alazare619: thanks for not making me answer that
20:45 < aName> Hey, at least you're getting laid.
20:45 < Holo> Lol
20:46 < AnimalFarmPig> iirc, "ninja" is a minced oath that juggalos use to refer to people. "All my ninjas" or "that ninja over there", etc.
20:46 < alazare619> i type in ninja.pw and google recommends tylerblevins
20:46 < alazare619> who tf is tyler blevins
20:47 < AnimalFarmPig> name sounds familiar
20:47 < admiralspark> uhh
20:47 < admiralspark> he's Ninja
20:47 < admiralspark> from the south african pop group
20:47 < admiralspark> sorry
20:47 < admiralspark> Die Antwoord
20:47 < admiralspark> wait
20:48 < admiralspark> maybe thats jones
20:48 < rpifan_> it does not
20:48 < tapoxi> oh from the movie chappie
20:48 < alazare619> elchappo
20:48 < admiralspark> oh
20:48 < grumplestiltzkin> chappie wants to paint
20:48 < admiralspark> this is the twitch streamer
20:48 < alazare619> elchappo.ninja is available lol
20:48 < admiralspark> alazare619: I assume you have a twitter?
20:48 < alazare619> i signed up to look at stuff
20:48 < estranger> moooooofeeeeekin neeeeeeeeenjaaaaa
20:48 < alazare619> never really used it
20:49 < narziss> ok wtf. mremoteng steals my mouse
20:49 < admiralspark> alazare619: google will index twit hits first if you do, and Tyler Blevins apparently is @ninja on the tweeters
20:49 < alazare619> lmao
20:49 < tapoxi> Slime Molds Remember — but Do They Learn?
20:51 < alazare619> offtopic
20:51 < alazare619> but why do finger nails smell so bad when you cut them
20:51 < blinkingprompt> simple question, can minio and glusterfs do the same things?
20:51 < rpifan_> they dont
20:51 < rpifan_> but my ear holes
20:51 < rpifan_> tend to
20:52 < rpifan_> for my earrings
20:52 < alazare619> same rpifan_
20:52 < abakedapplepie> alazare619: you dont like that smell?
20:52 < syere> you need to clean your ears better
20:52 < tapoxi> alazare619: youre letting out the fingernail juice
20:52 < rpifan_> my ears are squeeky
20:52 < syere> not if they are still producing discharge for a piercing
20:53 < syere> that tissue should have healed over
20:53 < rpifan_> its been 10 years
20:53 < rpifan_> lol
20:53 < syere> right... somethings not right there
20:53 < tapoxi> blinkingprompt: no
20:53 < tapoxi> blinkingprompt: they're different dawg
20:53 < alazare619> amazonwebservices.design is available
20:53 <+giant_it_burrit> Code_Man65: were you the advocate of dsc
20:53 < blinkingprompt> can i do distributed object storage with minio
20:53 < alazare619> for any AWS guys ;)
20:54 <@Code_Man65> Yes giant_it_burrit
20:54 < blinkingprompt> tapoxi i just want to share drives across servers with 1 access point
20:54 <+giant_it_burrit> any add ons for dsc you recommend?
20:54 <@systemdee> we use dsc extensive
20:54 <@systemdee> ly
20:54 <@Code_Man65> If you can, use the Azure Automation DSC pull server
20:54 < Heresiarch> RIP HBO: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/07/att-wants-to-overhaul-hbo-says-it-isnt-profitable-enough/
20:54 <+layer-eight> * Heresiarch →  AT&T wants to overhaul HBO, says it isn’t profitable enough | Ars Technica
20:55 < tapoxi> blinkingprompt: then you can have minio running on one of them for the API and have its storage mounted to a glusterfs partition or
20:55 < blinkingprompt> so i do need both, that was essentially my question i guess
20:56 < tapoxi> blinkingprompt: use something like openstack swift with gluster-swift
20:56 < tapoxi> yeah basically, one is the API the other is the storage part
20:56 < blinkingprompt> so the setup is distribute glusterfs volumes and minio as the API
20:56 < vinrock> This binary establishes a connection to the attacker for remote control protected by a trivial default password. Note to the attacker: If the password is “replace with your password”; do it!”
20:56 < vinrock> kek
20:56 < tapoxi> yeah you do have a central point of failure with minio though
20:56 < Hatter> Heresiarch: I hear they want to put product placement in the last season of Game of Thrones
20:57 < blinkingprompt> what the hell is "distributed minio" then?
20:57 < Heresiarch> Hatter: GoT just wrapped on its last season. Way, way too late for that sort of thing.
20:57 < Hatter> Heresiarch: I was just telling a funny little joke
20:57 < AnimalFarmPig> if you just need object storage and not actual filesystem access, riak will supposedly do what you need
20:57 < JFDkthx> aName: giant_it_burrit was talking about aquariums earlier
20:57 < Heresiarch> Hatter: Poe's Law foul. :)
20:57 < estranger> anyone having gapps/gmail issues?
20:57 < JFDkthx> something about how he wants coral
20:57 < JFDkthx> or some shit
20:57 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, maybe pick a DB that didn't go bankrupt
20:58 < estranger> at least the company behind it
20:58 < Hatter> how could you even have product placement in Game of Thrones
20:58 < Hatter> let's hear everyones funny suggestions
20:58 < estranger> basho went tits up last year
20:58 < AnimalFarmPig> estranger: oh, did they? I don't use it, haven't been following them. I looked at their stuff a while back when looking for a distributed object store
20:58 < estranger> yeah I believe another group pick up the codebase but Basho went under and pretty much all major Riak installs have or are migrating off
20:58 < JFDkthx> Hatter: red wedding was an advertisement for tidepods
20:59 < Hatter> I said funny
20:59 < admiralspark> Heh. We have four major ISP's in our state, and only two of them own the pipes going out of the state. one carries 60% of all traffic for the state. Well, they re-org'd and moved all of their networking control gear to a central datacenter they have.
20:59 < AnimalFarmPig> wow, interesting
20:59 < admiralspark> A SINGLE transformer feeding that building blew, and their backup generators didn't work, so they've been down since 4am
20:59 < AnimalFarmPig> there was a "community edition" for riak, so presumably the code is not gone
20:59 < abakedapplepie> what bumfuck state are you in
20:59 < abakedapplepie> wyoming?
20:59 < admiralspark> all that traffic is now failed over to the alternative ISP with a much smaller pipe
20:59 < admiralspark> Alaska son
20:59 < estranger> AnimalFarmPig, code is around but no one was supporting it
20:59 < abakedapplepie> oh rip
20:59 < admiralspark> Fiber buildout is insane here
20:59 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: GCI shit the bed?
20:59 < AnimalFarmPig> yep, makes sense
21:00 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: yessah
21:00 < admiralspark> Denali tower is down
21:00 < admiralspark> oddly enough cellphone data is working but all phone traffic is dead
21:00 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: bah. Not like there's anything north of ANC anyway. /s
21:00 < admiralspark> haha
21:00 < vinrock> thats what happenes when you dont regularly exercise your gensets
21:00 < estranger> Riak TS was a weird product anyhow, think they spread too thin
21:00 < vinrock> womp womp
21:00 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: hell I'm south of Anc now :P
21:00 < scwizard> working from home today
21:00 < vinrock> global crossing was a shit show as well during 9/11
21:00 < scwizard> this is the second cold i've had in 2 months eww
21:01 < Hatter> can someone link the best of the new nuke videos?
21:01 < vinrock> iirc 4 gensets, ended up only being able to run one at a time
21:01 < hxcsp> I have an office in Alaska thats up
21:01 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: you didn't used to work for them, right?
21:01 < admiralspark> hxcsp: are they on ACS or MTA though?
21:01 < hxcsp> Kenai.   I forget what they use for an ISP though, they have a small onsite team that does most of that
21:01 < admiralspark> oh
21:01 < hxcsp> admiralspark: i think ACS
21:01 < admiralspark> hxcsp: who's the office?
21:02 < hxcsp> soudns familiar
21:02 < hxcsp> its an oil well
21:02 < hxcsp> exploration well
21:02 < admiralspark> Oh, I'm surprised, Enstar is down right now too
21:02 < scwizard> i should relaly install a dockerfile mode for emacs
21:02 < admiralspark> wait
21:02 < admiralspark> nevermind
21:03 < estranger> oh is that what's going on... major ISPs down again today?
21:03 < admiralspark> they're down for internal state traffic. Externally looks fine
21:03 < admiralspark> estranger: only up here
21:03 < admiralspark> hxcsp: we have ACS too, thankfully(?) and our pipe is hammered with failover traffic haha
21:03 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: nah. My father used to live up in ANC/north slope, so I got tons of stories. XD
21:03 < estranger> ahh ok
21:04 < admiralspark> Heresiarch: ahh, that's a hell of a trip to get up to the north slope, I bet he's got a few stories :)
21:04 < hxcsp> nice
21:04 < estranger> ANC to me is African National Congress.. what is it here?
21:04 < vinrock> like cheap king crab>
21:04 < estranger> oh.. anchorage?
21:04 < vinrock> thats my kinda story
21:04 < admiralspark> estranger: yep
21:04 < estranger> id love to check out Alaska
21:04 < hxcsp> I used to work with a guy that did stuff for Halliburton on the north slope
21:04 < admiralspark> vinrock: none of that right now :(
21:04 < estranger> go invade BrownTown
21:04 < hxcsp> hated it so he quit, moved down to texas and got a job in IT
21:05 < admiralspark> hah. I hear the tech boom in Texas has kinda died down?
21:05 <@systemdee> yea
21:05 <@systemdee> all you fuckers need to stop coming here
21:05 < hxcsp> lol
21:05 <@systemdee> we're full
21:05 < Bru-> haha
21:05 < Bru-> its because yall eat too much brisket
21:05 < hxcsp> if you do come
21:05 < Hatter> who is this systemdee guy all of the sudden
21:05 < estranger> with all of us fleeing Illinois, where are we supposed to go?
21:05 < hxcsp> just go to Austin
21:05 <@systemdee> dont worry about it
21:05 <@systemdee> just stay outta my state
21:05 < Heresiarch> systemdee: same goes for FL. Especially coming from TX. ;)
21:06 <@systemdee> just stay where you are
21:07 < estranger> no
21:07 < abakedapplepie> i hear india has a strong it industry
21:07 < estranger> im coming to you
21:07 <@systemdee> go away
21:07 < estranger> too late
21:07 <@systemdee> ill throw the snake i found in my pool and scorpion in my house at you
21:07 < estranger> just landed
21:07 <@systemdee> ive placed it into your luggage
21:07 < abakedapplepie> send me your alamo drafthouses and ill stay out of texas
21:07 < hxcsp> estranger: check out midland. the opportunities there are great
21:07 < hxcsp> ...
21:08 <@systemdee> no those are ours too
21:08 <@systemdee> i dont need you diluting the product
21:08 < hxcsp> nobody wants those
21:08 <@systemdee> just like that fakeass whataburger in FL
21:08 < abakedapplepie> OH SHIT NEVERMIND
21:08 < hxcsp> IT People are not roughnecks
21:08 < estranger> im gonna do like Hoffman and come mine gold in Alaska with out knowing what the fuckall I am doing
21:08 < abakedapplepie> theres a drafthouse coming to detroit
21:08 < hxcsp> yeah.. whataburger outside of tx isnt that great
21:08 < hxcsp> which gives it a bad name
21:08 < estranger> Five Guys.
21:08 < hxcsp> nope
21:08 <@systemdee> five guys is ok but its a different type of burger than whataburger
21:09 < estranger> when you cant get to Portillos
21:09 < abakedapplepie> in n out  > 5 guys > *
21:09 <@systemdee> just like the in n out here sucks ass
21:09 < estranger> abakedapplepie, is that the animal style place
21:09 <@systemdee> ive had it multiple times and its gross
21:09 < hxcsp> we dont even have in n out in houston
21:09 < hxcsp> they realized how much it sucked in the rest of tx so they didnt bring it
21:09 <@systemdee> and i can feel my arteries closing with all the salt in that fuckin animal sauce
21:09 < estranger> ive had the animal style a few times and it was just OK
21:09 <@systemdee> its thousand island dressing with a metric ton of salt added to it
21:09 <@ravioli> sometimes i feel like everyone's just making up names of fast food places
21:09 < abakedapplepie> i never did animal style
21:10 < estranger> think i broke my kubernetes install for good this time
21:12 <@systemdee> good
21:12 < estranger> nothin is deleting right
21:13 < abakedapplepie> hooooe lee
21:13 < abakedapplepie> watching AvE with captions is another level
21:13 < vavkamil> I must start with diet
21:13 < abakedapplepie> estranger its fuckin k8s get with the lingo bro
21:14 < estranger> abakedapplepie, my cluster name is k8s-test .. im witit!
21:14 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:14 < admiralspark> lol
21:14 < admiralspark> I hate the k8s nonmenclature. "Kates" is not how you pronounce kubernetes
21:14 < felda> is every website just made of complete trash?
21:14 < abakedapplepie> yes
21:14 < felda> random websites getting picked up for sending mangled HTTP
21:15 < estranger> admiralspark, i know.. everything about k8s annoys me
21:15 < felda> That or Snort is just way too touchy
21:15 < abakedapplepie> i have no idea how to pronounce kubernetes
21:15 < abakedapplepie> kyoober-neetees
21:15 < admiralspark> felda: upstream connectivity issues
21:15 < abakedapplepie> kyoober-nates
21:15 < abakedapplepie> kubber-nates
21:15 < estranger> oh found my k8s problem.. a node crashed :D
21:15 < abakedapplepie> kubber-net-es
21:15 < felda> > UNESCAPED SPACE IN URL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
21:15 < admiralspark> koohber-NAYTS
21:15 < admiralspark> I guess
21:15 < admiralspark> if you base it on k8s
21:15 < abakedapplepie> thats what ive always done in my head
21:16 < admiralspark> felda: asking if SNORT is too touchy is like asking if the sky is blue
21:16 < admiralspark> wait till you get Chrome sending upd/443 traffic
21:16 < admiralspark> really shtf
21:16 < estranger> i pronounce kubernetes as [unicorn-farts-and-wishful-dreams]
21:16 < abakedapplepie> and before i realized k8s is "ze engineer's vay" of making a short form, and had nothing to dow ith the pronunciation
21:17 < admiralspark> no I know, but k8s'ers get pissy about it now if you don't use the cool new lingo
21:17 < admiralspark> and god help you if you call it "overblown redhat docker"
21:17 < abakedapplepie> lmfao
21:18 < estranger> yeah this node is fucking dead
21:18 < vavkamil> RIP node
21:18 < abakedapplepie> estranger: did you try turning it off and on again
21:19 < Heresiarch> isn't a service/pod def supposed to turn up a container on a new node when an existing goes south?
21:19 < estranger> abakedapplepie, im not sure that I can! cant even SSH in and I built the vm w/ our in house automation tools that im not sure lets me reboot a single vm (its designed to spin up things quickly for short term use/testing)
21:19 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:19 < estranger> ahh found the reset command
21:20 < abakedapplepie> someone should probably add some troubleshooting backdoors to your automation tooling
21:20 < admiralspark> estranger: what's your stack? If you're able to talk about it
21:20 < admiralspark> wait nvm
21:20 < estranger> oh "reset" == "Reset a cluster wiping all data and products"
21:20 < admiralspark> you're the reason we had the k8s discussion
21:20 < abakedapplepie> hahaha
21:20 < Heresiarch> heh
21:20 < abakedapplepie> i hope you didnt hit that button
21:20 < estranger> admiralspark, yeah its completely home grown
21:20 < admiralspark> oh man
21:21 < Heresiarch> estranger: have you tried wiping it out and rebuilding it? That's like a restart, right?
21:21 < abakedapplepie> man is that where IT is going
21:21 < estranger> Heresiarch, that is prob what I'll do :P
21:21 < abakedapplepie> "did you try reprovisioning yet?"
21:21 < abakedapplepie> fuck fixing shit just let the tooling rebuild it all
21:21 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:21 < estranger> i cant blame anyone but myself... we have a system for mroe perminate stuff that wouldnt have this issue but I chose to use the short term solution :)
21:22 < abakedapplepie> i for one welcome our new orchestration overlords
21:22 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: some day, I'll have that for a windows world
21:22 < admiralspark> some day
21:22 < abakedapplepie> doubtful
21:23 < dragonfleas_> i love the people that have 70 gigs of data in their document redirection
21:23 < dragonfleas_> what the fuck guys
21:23 < dragonfleas_> seriously
21:23 < Heresiarch> ...an ASP.NET app, under IIS...in a Windows Nano container. *shudder*
21:24 < dragonfleas_> all under "itunes" like these 30 gig backups, and then a bunch of music
21:24 < dragonfleas_> I'm banning iTunes
21:24 < rpifan_> why
21:24 < abakedapplepie> we need hunterkll to come in and talk about how amazing iis is
21:24 < rpifan_> do ppl evne bother with windows architecture anymore
21:24 < rpifan_> its well dead
21:24 < abakedapplepie> rpifan_: says you
21:24 < abakedapplepie> meanwhile its my job
21:24 <@systemdee> hunterkll would tell you to build your own itunes in tcl
21:24 < dragonfleas> I hate document redirection with a fiery passion
21:24 < abakedapplepie> windows administration is growing not shrinking
21:24 < dragonfleas> ^^^^^^^^^^^
21:24 < abakedapplepie> get used to it
21:24 < abakedapplepie> and get off your greybearded high horse
21:24 < abakedapplepie> :)
21:25 < Heresiarch> rpifan_: same reason it takes a while to get crackheads off of the rock. .NET is still a thing for a lot of shops.
21:25 < dragonfleas> reeeeeeeeee install linux reeeeeeeeeeee muh CLI reeeeeeeeeee install gentoo/debian reeeeeeee
21:25 < estranger> JAVA reigns supreme
21:25 < rpifan_> yea i dont get it, why did ppl move to that to begin iwth. i remember wehen it came out and i was like thats the most retarded thing ever
21:25 < ekaj> You hate it because you don't understand it
21:25 < abakedapplepie> reeeeeeeeeeeeee bash reeeeeeeeeee
21:25 < abakedapplepie> reeee vim
21:25 < dragonfleas> reeeeeeeeee muh edit shortcuts reeeeeeeee
21:25 < abakedapplepie> reeeeeeeeeeee id like to interject for a moment
21:25 < dragonfleas> reeeeeeeeee objective C
21:26 < Heresiarch> rpifan_: prior to their current incarnation, Microsoft did a lot of work to support developers - especially those in business.
21:26 < estranger> power "slow a shit" shell
21:26 < dragonfleas> ^true, powershell is slow, but it's powerful
21:26 < dragonfleas> slow and steady wins the race
21:26 < abakedapplepie> and there are ways to speed it up
21:26 < dragonfleas> like split piping
21:26 < abakedapplepie> like interfacing with .net directly
21:26 < estranger> its going to be slow by nature
21:26 < dragonfleas> ^^^
21:26 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: are you suuuuuuure that's not a roaming profile? Document redirection shouldn't give a shit
21:26 < dragonfleas> big brain: using only VB inside of powershell scripts
21:26 < estranger> pulling .net objects aint the fastest thang it seems
21:27 < dragonfleas> admiralspark, we have our appdata redirected
21:27 < rpifan_> i was learning VB and then they add the .net shit
21:27 < rpifan_> and i was like fuck this shit
21:27 < Heresiarch> estranger: forget it, they're rolling.
21:27 < dragonfleas> VB.net is great
21:27  * estranger hands out the mdma
21:27 < dragonfleas> learn windows classes because they are ez as fuck to understand
21:27 < dragonfleas> i learned VB.net in like a week
21:27 < admiralspark> Heresiarch rpifan_ .net is the core of MANY big industrial applications that have no competition. We manage one, 250+ utilities across the country use it, and there's only one competing product, also in .net
21:27 < estranger> verb-noun
21:27 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: oh god you do?!!? How'd it work?
21:27 < admiralspark> do you have corruption?
21:28 <@systemdee> real admins use batch scripts
21:28 < admiralspark> s/batch/bash
21:28 < ekaj> read admins herd goats
21:28 <+layer-eight> [SED admiralspark/systemdee] real admins use bash scripts
21:28 < Heresiarch> admiralspark: yup. .Net is at the core of a metric ton of LOB apps.
21:28 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: youre making .net sound like oracle
21:28 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:28 <@systemdee> no
21:28 <@systemdee> i mean batch
21:28 < abakedapplepie> i guessits not false tho
21:28 < rpifan_> theres must be a FLOSS competitor
21:28 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: Microsoft and MSSQL is approaching the shitty licensing problems of Oracle, son. It's all garbage ;)
21:28 < rpifan_> there is a floss everything
21:28 < admiralspark> I do prefer MS for AD-stuff though
21:29 < abakedapplepie> idk, oracle is still another level of greed
21:29 < abakedapplepie> but the per core licensing is insanity
21:29 < Heresiarch> rpifan_: .net core. But it's not yet at full release.
21:29 < admiralspark> rpifan_: not for power generation CIS
21:29 < dragonfleas> admiralspark, actually works great
21:29 < abakedapplepie> i hope they do an about face on that
21:29  * estranger hands Heresiarch some popcorn
21:29 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: seriously?
21:29 < estranger> IF YALL STOP USING LEGACY DATABASES :P
21:29 < dragonfleas> yep
21:29 < admiralspark> estranger: hahaha
21:29 < dragonfleas> i mean there's a GPO for it
21:29 < dragonfleas> lol
21:29 <@systemdee> i use Access DBs for everything
21:29 < abakedapplepie> im wondering when microsoft will start charging licensing by the cpu-hour
21:29  * Heresiarch munches popcorn
21:29 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: do you have a link?
21:29 <@systemdee> I dont see whats wrong with it
21:29 < abakedapplepie> truly OSaaS
21:29 < Heresiarch> abakedapplepie: have you heard of "Azure"?
21:29 < admiralspark> also hjow do you deal with being off-network?
21:29 < dragonfleas> admiralspark, there is a GPO for appdata as part of microsofts default admx's
21:29 < abakedapplepie> Heresiarch: lol
21:29 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: do you have laptops?
21:30 < scwizard> i actually heard azure is more popular than google cloud
21:30 < dragonfleas> yes, it works fine on everything, because we just cache all of the app data
21:30 < estranger> way more
21:30 < admiralspark> oh fuck, nvm, I guess that doesn't matter because I want to redirect it on VDI
21:30 < dragonfleas> lollllllll
21:30 < Pebbles5> What are the cons of using containers? (Docker)
21:30 < rpifan_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLRQQ_aOXIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLRQQ_aOXI
21:30 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: wait. That's roaming profiles
21:30 <+layer-eight> * rpifan_ →  ⚓  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuLRQQ_aOXI → YouTube → Chef's Dream (205): Jacques Pépin: More Fast Food My Way → ⚘ 292,181 ↑ 801 ↓ 30 ✍ 125
21:30 < rpifan_> we should al lbe using
21:30 < scwizard> i'm suprised how popular azure is considering how fucking hidiously expensive it is
21:30 < rpifan_> jacque pepin programming instead
21:30 < AnimalFarmPig> just run your MS-SQL "in the cloud"! what could go wrong?
21:30 < abakedapplepie> Pebbles5: there are no cons
21:30 < scwizard> aws isn't cheap but azure... jesus christ
21:30 < estranger> aws is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay in the lead as far as consumption... in faaaaaaaaaaar 2nd is azure, and the pretty far behind azure is gcp
21:30 < abakedapplepie> microservice all the things
21:30 < abakedapplepie> the way of the future
21:30 < abakedapplepie> the way of the future
21:30 < Heresiarch> scwizard: probably. Azure gives management that sweet "transferable skillset" boner.
21:30 < abakedapplepie> the way of the future
21:30 < rpifan_> i like vultr
21:31 < estranger> microservices ARE the way forward
21:31 < abakedapplepie> estranger: and then at the kiddy table  there is DO
21:31 < Pebbles5> abakedapplepie: I think it makes system upgrades easier somehow?
21:31 < scwizard> DO is neat
21:31 < AnimalFarmPig> scwizard: haven't used it for a real project yet because nobody had paid me to and fuck spending my own money on it, but I've browsed through the Azure API docs. Looks like a really nice service. Better than AWS.
21:31 < scwizard> teenagers and such need a cloud service too
21:31 < estranger> DO?
21:31 < abakedapplepie> digitalocean
21:31 < scwizard> digital ocean
21:31 < AnimalFarmPig> I prefer scaleway
21:31 < estranger> dont forget about Oracle Cloud!
21:31 < rpifan_> micro dicks
21:31 < rpifan_> for all
21:31 < scwizard> cheap but has literlly no features
21:31 < estranger> and IBM SoftLayer!
21:32 < scwizard> estranger: i would prefer to forget tyvm
21:32 < AnimalFarmPig> I provising a server, they give me a server. Don't need any other bullshit.
21:32 < abakedapplepie> yeah theres a rudimentary backend api you can query with automation tools
21:32 < abakedapplepie> but its rudimentary
21:32 < Heresiarch> estranger: ...and you said that with a straight face. You evil, evil little man.
21:32 < abakedapplepie> it does some things tho
21:32 < scwizard> (orcacle cloud prob has more revenue than digital ocean)
21:32 < AnimalFarmPig> s/provising/provision
21:32 < abakedapplepie> dns and shit
21:32 < estranger> Heresiarch, lol
21:32 < rpifan_> i have my 10 dollar vultr server
21:32 < Pebbles5> No Scaleway servers in North America or Asia-Pacific
21:32 < estranger> Heresiarch, I still feel weird being an Oracle partner w/ their oracle cloud.
21:32 < scwizard> estranger: you shouldn't feel weird you should feel disgusting
21:32 < AnimalFarmPig> scaleway allows you to do declarative server configuration similar to docker file, if you want. They also have API for provisioning, etc.
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> Pebbles5: yeah, kind of annoying for latency sensitive stuff
21:33 < AnimalFarmPig> brb
21:33 < estranger> scwizard, I take an extra shower every day because of it
21:33 < abakedapplepie> lmao
21:33 < abakedapplepie> be sure to exfoliate
21:33 < scwizard> man
21:33 < Heresiarch> estranger: hey now, that just means you can charge licensing for THE ENTIRE FOOTPRINT of oracle cloud. 'Cuz, you might run on any one of their instances...
21:33 < abakedapplepie> really get  that oracle grime off
21:33 < scwizard> at this conference i went to
21:33 < scwizard> one of oracle's main MYSQL guys gave a talk about all the great new features in mysql 8
21:33 < estranger> Heresiarch, I wish =)
21:33 < abakedapplepie> scacyn: who fucking cares lmao
21:33 < scwizard> and like, a lot of smart people worked really hard on making some neat stuff but...
21:33 < abakedapplepie> postgres > maria > * > mysql
21:34 < Heresiarch> is mysql 8 catching up to maria 10?
21:34 < admiralspark> ooo
21:34 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: not a postgre fan?
21:34 <@systemdee> access > progress > maria > * > mysql
21:34 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: quite the opposite!
21:34 < abakedapplepie> i hink you read it backwards
21:34 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:34 < admiralspark> oh
21:34 < scwizard> i talked to the guy afterwards and he's like "well the reason debian doesn't like us is because we don't give them bug reports for security updates"
21:34 < estranger> so fill me in, what does maria 10 have ahead of mysql?
21:34 < scwizard> and I'm like "well you don't think that's a problem"
21:34 < admiralspark> you're using greater than, not arrows of delineation
21:34 < admiralspark> lol...
21:34 < abakedapplepie> oh, yes
21:34 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:34 < scwizard> and he's like "well we're legally not allowed to, if they come from our enterprise customers etc etc"
21:35 < admiralspark> I agree with you then abakedapplepie :P
21:35 < abakedapplepie> :)
21:35 < scwizard> like they're baiscally changing the code and being like "we legally can't say why we made this commit"
21:35 < scwizard> "but please backport it assap"
21:35 < scwizard> and debian is like "the fuck is this"
21:35 < abakedapplepie> sounds like they need to make their own fork for their enterprise customers then
21:35 < scwizard> they legally can't because it's open source
21:36 < scwizard> so any enterprise fork would also be gpled
21:36 < abakedapplepie> well i just mean then they dont have to explain what the code is for
21:36 < admiralspark> well, they could give the source to enterprise only
21:36 < abakedapplepie> it can still be open source
21:36 < Pebbles5> Is Golang worth learning?
21:36 < abakedapplepie> basically cut debian out of the picture
21:36 < corn266> If you like natively multi-threaded programs then yes Pebbles5
21:36 < scwizard> i mean but yeah that approach is very anti openbsd
21:37 < rpifan_> no
21:37 < Nightcinder> hmmmm
21:37 < abakedapplepie> so is what they are already doing
21:37 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:37 < Pebbles5> corn266: oh
21:37 < Nightcinder> our lenovo x1 carbons really really hate this 50ft hdmi cable
21:37 < GreyKite> fucking senior T2 tech grabbing fucking T1 tickets because he's a lazy shit and wants to boost his numbers
21:37 < Nightcinder> but when i convert it to DP it works fine
21:37 < Nightcinder> i'm so lost
21:37 < Pebbles5> So Golang is better than Python then?
21:37 < scwizard> but basically
21:37 < GreyKite> I hate this fucker
21:37 < abakedapplepie> Nightcinder: i think everything hates 50ft hdmi
21:37 < scwizard> i can't blame debian for switching to maria at all
21:37 < Nightcinder> nope
21:37 < Nightcinder> literally nothing else has an issue with it
21:37 < abakedapplepie> also, hdmi cables that are over 25 feet are generally directional
21:37 < corn266> Pebbles5, it depends on your use case
21:37 < scwizard> oracle are such bitches
21:37 < abakedapplepie> is it plugged in the correct direction
21:37 < Nightcinder> abakedapplepie: everything else works
21:37 < Nightcinder> it's in the right direction
21:37 < abakedapplepie> ok
21:37 < Nightcinder> literally every other laptop brand works
21:37 < abakedapplepie> what res?
21:37 < abakedapplepie> oh
21:37 < Nightcinder> just not these pos lenovos
21:37 < Heresiarch> most distros have switched to mariadb by default. You can still get mysql if you specifically install it.
21:38 < abakedapplepie> just a shitty gfx system
21:38 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: which lenovo model?
21:38 < estranger> nothing is "Best for everything" anymore.. everything is so specialized
21:38 < Nightcinder> x1 carbon 5th gen
21:38 < Nightcinder> seems to be a known issue googling it
21:38 < Nightcinder> and lenovo didn't give a fuck
21:38 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: yeah, was gonna say
21:38 < Nightcinder> apparently fixed in 6th gen
21:38 < abakedapplepie> non thinkpad lenovos always seem to have odd gfx issues
21:38 < Pebbles5> I wonder how many people are using Swift server side
21:38 < abakedapplepie> like the yellow yoga pro
21:38 < estranger> better than Thrift
21:38 < GreyKite> abakedapplepie: the fuck you talking about, I get weird gfx issues on the thinkpad series
21:38 < abakedapplepie> oh, well ok
21:39 < abakedapplepie> i havent used a thinkpad in like 5 years
21:39 < Nightcinder> lenovo is just bad
21:39 < abakedapplepie> hah
21:39 < Nightcinder> seriously
21:39 < Nightcinder> they're not good
21:39 < vinrock> ^
21:39 < Nightcinder> the quality isn't good, the screen isn't good
21:39 < Pebbles5> Lenovo? Malware?
21:39 < Nightcinder> i can't find a single redeeming quality
21:39 < Nightcinder> the warranty is worse than dell
21:39 < abakedapplepie> other than the yellow thing, i like my wife's yoga
21:39 < Nightcinder> i forklifted us to dell latitudes
21:39 < Nightcinder> actual support, and they..just work
21:39 < estranger> arent lenovos expensive too?
21:39 < vinrock> i only buy thinkpads but i wouldnt touch any other lenovo product
21:40 < vinrock> nah not really
21:40 < Nightcinder> yeah our 7490's are cheaper than the carbons were
21:40 < Pebbles5> How are HP and Asus?
21:40 < Nightcinder> and the 7490 has 5 year warranty
21:40 < rpifan_> happy cooking
21:40 < abakedapplepie> hopefully thinkpad support is at least as good as it was
21:40 < vinrock> ive actually had great experiences with asus laptops
21:40 < vinrock> inexpensive ones
21:40 < Nightcinder> dell support is NBD
21:40 < Nightcinder> onsite
21:40 < abakedapplepie> my t60 bricked on a firmware update
21:40 < Nightcinder> which lenovo does not do
21:40 < abakedapplepie> i had a new motherboard in 16 hours
21:40 < abakedapplepie> it was insane
21:40 < estranger> dell business support is quite good
21:40 < mcj> Asus laptops? Ugh... I'm going to be sick
21:40 < Nightcinder> asus laptops are fine if it doesn't break
21:40 < vinrock> ive bought a bunch of em over the years in the $600-$1k range
21:40 < Nightcinder> you might get a more broken laptop back from the repair depot
21:40 < vinrock> none of them have prematurely failed or had shit go wrong
21:40 < mcj> Asus does some dumb stuff that is just dumber than dumb
21:41 < mcj> They put a proprietary sized SSD in their low end laptops so when it dies, it's impossible to find
21:41 < tapoxi> I'm never buying another dell laptop
21:41 < Pebbles5> Microsoft Surface then ? ;)
21:41 < tapoxi> it's all apple from here on out
21:41 < abakedapplepie> oh boy
21:41 < vinrock> im sticking with xx1 carbons for the forseeavble future
21:41 < vinrock> im on my third right now
21:41 < mcj> That's replacing one problem with a bigger one
21:41 < tapoxi> they wiped my drive for an LCD repair and charged me $240 for it
21:41 < vinrock> oh fuck that
21:41 < mcj> I bought the X1 Carbon that had the shitty touchbar ePaper thing
21:41 < mcj> Ugh the worst
21:41 < tapoxi> also the machine is barely 2 years old
21:41 < mcj> Will never do it again
21:41 < vinrock> i kinda liked that
21:41 < Pebbles5> Anyone tried System76 laptops?
21:41 < vinrock> it was gimicky af
21:41 < vinrock> but eh
21:42 < vinrock> i kinda dug it
21:42 < tapoxi> I hear meh things about system76
21:42 < Nightcinder> also
21:42 < Nightcinder> this fuckin' rocketbook
21:42 < Nightcinder> is amazingly useful
21:42 < tapoxi> Librem laptops could be good?
21:42 < vinrock> im skipping these last two generations and waiting on the next, the improvements havent been significant enough for me to upgrade
21:42 < vinrock> kinda pissed they dropped the 1440p touchscreen since im fuckin used to it now
21:42 < admiralspark> Pebbles5: knew someone who did, said it was a nice laptop but overpriced
21:42 < tapoxi> Macbook Pros are like, 90% perfect
21:42 <@systemdee> they were
21:43 <@systemdee> until they started taking away ports
21:43 < tapoxi> save for the keyboard
21:43 < Pebbles5> Well what I've noticed is that Apple laptops tend to last longest for whatever reason
21:43 < tapoxi> ports are nbd
21:43 <@systemdee> ports are big deal 5 me
21:43 < abakedapplepie> <3 my 2012 rmbp
21:43 <@systemdee> because i have a lot of monitors
21:43 <@systemdee> abakedapplepie, i have the same as my personal laptop at home
21:43 < tapoxi> honestly 4x USB-C is fine for me
21:43 < Hatter> wtf is iMail
21:43 < abakedapplepie> systemdee: you can always do daisy chains
21:43 < Pebbles5> But Macbooks are not everyone's cuppa tea
21:43 <@systemdee> gross
21:43 < abakedapplepie> i dont know if id buy a new macbook
21:43 < admiralspark> See, I just use a PC and a chromebook to remotely access them :P
21:43 < mcj> I have a top-spec 2015 15" rMBP and that is the best computer I have ever owned
21:43 < abakedapplepie> id buy a 2014 macbook at the latest probably
21:44 <@systemdee> 2015 was the last good year of macbooks
21:44 < tapoxi> the keyboards on new MBPs are bad
21:44 < abakedapplepie> shit is still very viable in 2018
21:44 < abakedapplepie> very very
21:44 < tapoxi> but they're still good laptops
21:44 < admiralspark> lenovo T420, best thinkpad
21:44 <@systemdee> id buy a macbook as a personal device
21:44 <@systemdee> but not for work
21:44 < abakedapplepie> i need a new battery tho, im down to like 2 hours on a good day
21:44 <@systemdee> i tried it, its nice but all the dongles just ruin it
21:44 < mcj> My work comp is a rMBP 15 2016
21:44 < tapoxi> systemdee: this is my work macbook
21:44 < mcj> It sucks!!!!!
21:44 < abakedapplepie> i lvoe working on my mac, fast desktop switching etc so nice
21:44 <@systemdee> i like a clean desk
21:44 < Pebbles5> I think you can connect 3 monitors with MacBook pro? Can't you?
21:44 < tapoxi> Pebbles5: yeah
21:44 < mcj> USB-C is trash. Sometimes things aren't picked up when waking from sleep, dongle hell is the worst, and the keyboard sucks
21:45 < mcj> Espeically the 2016 version
21:45 < abakedapplepie> mcj: running windows?
21:45 < tapoxi> I like USBC
21:45 < Pebbles5> USB-C is awesome TBH
21:45 < mcj> Nah macOS
21:45 < tapoxi> the keyboard sucks
21:45 < estranger> i like usbc as well
21:45 < abakedapplepie> oh
21:45 < abakedapplepie> weird
21:45 < estranger> USBC MASTER RACE
21:45 < tapoxi> oh wow a kiwi
21:45 <@systemdee> i do too much local Powershell to really use a macbook seriously
21:45 <@systemdee> i had to change a bunch of scripts to get it to work in VSCode properly
21:45 < mcj> I let the computer sleep over the weekend and clicked my mouse. The mouse click woke up the display today, but it would not move the cursor. Had to disconnect and reconnect to get it ot work
21:45 < abakedapplepie> i have one dongle, its a 3x usb3 hub and gigabit network port
21:45 < abakedapplepie> from j5create
21:45 < mcj> Too much weird shit like that
21:46 < abakedapplepie> i love it, all i need
21:46 < Pebbles5> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFLTXiT5Rso
21:46 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  YouTube → USB-C ALL the Things! → ⚘ 1,680,575 ↑ 52,116 ↓ 839 ✍ 3,403
21:46 < tapoxi> systemdee: yeah I do scripting in python so im gud
21:46 < abakedapplepie> python abuse
21:47 < Pebbles5> I think there USB C Hubs that let you connect everything
21:47 < gnupluslinux> Im gonna use this old folio till it dies
21:47 < Pebbles5> Does Surfaces come with Thunderbolt now?
21:47 < gnupluslinux> Surface pro 3 screen cracked or else id still be using that
21:47 < asimon> Do they sell display adapter variety packs?
21:48 < asimon> I feel like I'm using all sorts of shit and don't want to buy them individually
21:48 < abakedapplepie> fuck the surface
21:48 <@systemdee> i just buy what i need from amazon
21:48 < abakedapplepie> HOW FUCKING HARD IS IT TO USE A STANDARD RESOLUTION
21:48 < abakedapplepie> FUCK
21:48 < gnupluslinux> I got a mini displayport thatll take dvi/hdmi/dp asimon
21:48 < admiralspark> 1024x768
21:48 < abakedapplepie> fucking hate the surface line
21:48 < Pebbles5> Dell XPS
21:48 < gnupluslinux> abakedapplepie thats not the issue imo
21:48 < admiralspark> man
21:49 < admiralspark> anyone else here use docks with surfaces and have the graphics issues?!?
21:49 < gnupluslinux> Its that its a hidpi screen on a 11"surface
21:49 < abakedapplepie> its issue enough for me
21:49 < gnupluslinux> Rdp is for ants
21:49 < abakedapplepie> yeah
21:49 < abakedapplepie> 5 years later and windows still cant do hi dpi right
21:49 < abakedapplepie> at all
21:49 < abakedapplepie> fucking asshats
21:49 < abakedapplepie> oh let me introduce this zooming function that doesnt work how you think
21:49 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: cmon, can any OS do it right? *nix is fucked too last I checked
21:49 < abakedapplepie> and barely works at all
21:49 < abakedapplepie> admiralspark: macosx
21:50 < admiralspark> oh my christ
21:50 < abakedapplepie> perfect hi dpi
21:50 < admiralspark> forgot you were an apple fanboii
21:50 < admiralspark> :P
21:50 < abakedapplepie> hey, im not fucking wrong mate
21:50 < abakedapplepie> lol
21:50 < admiralspark> no, you're not
21:50 < Pebbles5> macOS is Unix ;)
21:50 < L3gacy> It's not macos
21:50 < L3gacy> it's Tacos
21:51 < abakedapplepie> i want tacos
21:51 < Pebbles5> Vatos
21:51 < Nightcinder> whever i'm just gonna buy a mini dp to hdmi cable
21:51 < Nightcinder> and see if it works
21:51 < Hatter> what is that thing sometimes when you're kinda dozing off but then you get hit with a jolt of electricity and your whole body convulses
21:51 < admiralspark> eh, osx is always 90% for me
21:51 < admiralspark> little things drive me nuts. Brew almost covers it but has a few seriously broken issues. Outlook runs like shit (not their fault likely).
21:52 < abakedapplepie> outlook 2016 is a loooot better
21:52 < abakedapplepie> its almost okay
21:52 < abakedapplepie> 2011 was abysmal
21:52 < Nightcinder> >almost ok
21:52 < Pebbles5> I was actually interested in that Dock Desktop Linux thingy that Samsung showed off a while back
21:52 < arlion> Any bash smart people on?
21:53 < arlion> if ! [[ -h /home ]] && [[ ! $( mountpoint -q /home )  ]] ; then echo "true" ; fi
21:53 < arlion> that statement is eval as true, but -h home, and mountpoint -q are both false.
21:53 < admiralspark> abakedapplepie: 2011 was my last trial so maybe it is
21:54 < arlion> (replace -h with -L and it's still true)
21:54 < Pebbles5> arlion: #bash channel?
21:54 < xamithan> dock desktop ?
21:54 < admiralspark> and here I thought we bash enough in here already
21:54 < arlion> Pebbles5: thanks, but I like asking here first. People in here are less... pretentious.
21:54 < tapoxi> tacOS 10.14 Al Pastor
21:55 < xamithan> I can link you a relevant bash pitfall FAQ if you want to make it feel more like bash O.o
21:55 < Pebbles5> xamithan: I think it's called Samsung Dex or something
21:55 < corn266> arlion
21:55 < arlion> corn266:
21:55 < tapoxi> admiralspark: brew is a piece of shit
21:55 < corn266> if ! [[ -h /home ]] && [[ ! -z $( mountpoint -q /home )  ]] ; then echo "true" ; fi
21:55 < Heresiarch> arlion: it may be not-ing the entire statement (the first exclamation)
21:55 < admiralspark> tapoxi: what else is there though?
21:55 < tapoxi> nothing
21:55 < admiralspark> I need my apt and my yum
21:55 < admiralspark> or my choco
21:55 < arlion> if [[ ! -L /home ]] && [[ ! $( mountpoint -q /home )  ]] ; then echo "true" ; fi
21:56 < arlion> still eval as true
21:56 < tapoxi> yum > apt > brew > choco
21:56 < estranger> make buildworld
21:56 < admiralspark> btw, choco is freaking amazing on W10 if you have a local repo with your business apps on it
21:56 < arlion> I should make my apt a copy pasta.
21:56 < Pebbles5> brew ;)
21:56 < tapoxi> er, dnf > yum > apt > brew > choco
21:56 < admiralspark> tapoxi: yum > apt > choco > ... > brew :P
21:56 < admiralspark> oh
21:56 < admiralspark> dnf
21:56 < arlion> I have huge rants around apt being the shittiest package manager of all time.
21:56 < admiralspark> when it hits rhel I'll add it
21:56 < xamithan> zypper
21:56 <+DrGibby|> you guys are forgetting about the best one
21:57 < xamithan> pacman
21:57 < admiralspark> arlion: apt or dpkg?
21:57 < corn266> arlion your second condition should check if $(mountpoint -q /home) is null using the '-z'
21:57 <+DrGibby|> building from source
21:57 < admiralspark> xamithan: we use server here sir, no arch
21:57 < admiralspark> :P
21:57 < xamithan> zypper still is server,  in europe
21:57 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: .configure && make
21:57 <+DrGibby|> admiralspark++
21:57 < admiralspark> && make install
21:57 < admiralspark> :)
21:57 <+DrGibby|> CLEAN
21:57 < admiralspark> oops
21:57 < xamithan> ./configure you mean O.o
21:57 < admiralspark> sorry
21:57 < Pebbles5> No Arch on servers? But Windows?! Ok.
21:57 < admiralspark> make clean
21:58 < admiralspark> xamithan: nah fam I renamed it to include a .
21:58 < estranger> dont need to clean unless you fucked up in the first place. just dont fuck up in the first place
21:58 <+DrGibby|> CLEAN EVERYTHING
21:58 <+DrGibby|> for the freshest of builds
21:58 < admiralspark> Pebbles5: when it's enterprise, Windows is surprisingly good. I say this as a cybersec dude who runs all his shit on locked down linux
21:58 < estranger> DrGibby|, yer prob ok with `cat file | grep pattern` too
21:58 < estranger> DrGibby|, heathen
21:58 < admiralspark> AD is the greatest user management system ever made. fight me
21:58 < Pebbles5> admiralspark: oh
21:58 <+DrGibby|> estranger: you use grep? I manually look for it
21:59 <+DrGibby|> calling yourself a linux user
21:59  * DrGibby| scoffs
21:59 < arlion> corn266: sorry, that only works if mountpoint returns nothing, but that doesn't eval as true when a mountpoint doesn't exist.
21:59 < estranger> aix only
21:59 < admiralspark> DrGibby|: piping to cat right
21:59 <+DrGibby|> then to less
21:59 < admiralspark> cat filename | grep is even better
21:59 < admiralspark> YES
21:59 < admiralspark> cat filename | grep searchterm | less
21:59 < Pebbles5> HP-UX? :P
21:59 < admiralspark> lol
21:59 < estranger> NO STOP
21:59 < admiralspark> AIX
21:59 <+DrGibby|> HOW FOR DOWN CAN WE GO
21:59 < estranger> cat abuse :(
21:59 < xamithan> Speaking of compiling.  I need to compile some curl on freebsd
22:00 < admiralspark> oh man, forgot BSD
22:00 < admiralspark> and HURD
22:00 < Heresiarch> arlion: could check the return code of the mountpoint cmd ($?) as a second condition.
22:00 <+DrGibby|> I'm giggling uncontrollably right now
22:00 < estranger> i referenced make buildworld up there.
22:00 < Pebbles5> Hurd? Is not even real? /S
22:00 < admiralspark> probs because my bsd boxes just sit there doing bsd things, and hurd is...hurd
22:00 < xamithan> I might have an interview soon for place that uses Solaris
22:00 < estranger> run
22:00 < xamithan> That'll be fun since I know nothing about it
22:00 < arlion> Heresiarch: ew no
22:00 < admiralspark> xamithan: omg if they have sparc servers, sendc pics
22:01 < Heresiarch> xamithan: prepare your brain for violation.
22:01 < estranger> if you take that job you'll look back at it is "the lost years"
22:01 < xamithan> Well it is mostly RHEL 6 & 7,  which is my specality
22:01 < Pebbles5> Do people actually run freebsd or openbsd servers full time??
22:01 < xamithan> I do
22:01 < tapoxi> Pebbles5: Netflix does
22:01 < Heresiarch> solaris is a good thing to learn - it's just not a good OS to base a career on (anymore)
22:02 < estranger> tapoxi, really?
22:02 < xamithan> freebsd is my nameservers, webservers, and firewalls
22:02 < gnupluslinux> Hunterkll has a hardon for solaris
22:02 < estranger> netflix is weird
22:02 < tapoxi> estranger: their CDN appliance is freebsd
22:02 < estranger> tapoxi, ahh that makes sense
22:02 < tapoxi> also whatsapp is freebsd
22:02 < Pebbles5> tapoxi: I heard WhatsApp does too, but not all the several I guess
22:02 < xamithan> What does signal use
22:03 < gnupluslinux> Netflix pays ridiculous salaries
22:03 < estranger> signal.co ?
22:03 < tapoxi> idk probably debian, signal server is gpl
22:03 < Pebbles5> The real question is "who uses signal?" /S
22:03 < khelpw> Hey guys, stupid question. I've got a retail, OEM server 2016 key. I need a 2k12R2 key - are downgrade rights available for OEM keys?
22:03 < gnupluslinux> I use signal
22:03 < estranger> netflix operates at a level pretty much no one else does .. and they  ahve the coolest department logos
22:03 < gnupluslinux> I do wish there was a selfhostes option
22:04 < tapoxi> estranger: signal.org
22:04 < Pebbles5> Use Matrix then
22:04 < estranger> ahh
22:04 < xamithan> matrix gateways blow
22:04 < gnupluslinux> Also im unconvinced signal's decision to use phone numbers as identifiers was a good choixe
22:05 < tapoxi> gnupluslinux: makes signup easier
22:05 < Pebbles5> I've seen more people use Telegram and Discord than Signal
22:05 < gnupluslinux> Yeah but whats the deal if i change numbers? If someone gets my old one?
22:06 < xamithan> You port it
22:06 < gnupluslinux> Makes me think Pebbles5 skews a bit young
22:06 < Pebbles5> Well yep
22:07 < estranger> whats your ICQ number?
22:07 < corn266> 12
22:07 < Pebbles5> It's same as my AOL ID
22:08 < estranger> i just downloaded the latest tupac jamz on bearshare
22:08 < xamithan> 15493974
22:08 < Pebbles5> BTW did Verizon finally shut down Yahoo Messenger?
22:08 < vinrock> estranger you see theres a guy saying he was involved in pac's murder and named the gunman
22:08 < Hatter> estranger: that stuff will rot your brain
22:08 < vinrock> lvpd apparently is investigating
22:08 < estranger> vinrock, no... dayem
22:08 < vinrock> yeah just like, this past week
22:09 < estranger> machiavelli yo
22:09 < Pebbles5> What are teens using these days?
22:09 < estranger> Pebbles5, bath salts
22:09 < vinrock> tide pods
22:09 < xamithan> Dang my ICQ won't even login via pidgin
22:09 < corn266> Did JFDkthx already get off?
22:09 < vinrock> ew
22:09 < Pebbles5> Lol
22:10 < tapoxi> estranger: 48599664
22:10 < Hatter> did you guys know ICQ was meant to sound like "I seek you"
22:10 < Hatter> I just found that out like yesterday
22:10 < estranger> lol
22:10 < xamithan> Why yes,  we knew that
22:10 < vinrock> your a bad baddie
22:10 < Heresiarch> ...riiiiiight.
22:10 < estranger> CUCME .. did you know that was said as "see you see me" not "cuck me" ... sorry to dissapoint you Hatter
22:10 < tapoxi> Hatter: the most popular messenger in china is QQ, which was originally QICQ and a shameless icq ripoff
22:11 < xamithan> Didn't they just add thousands of emojis to it
22:11 < vinrock> i just remember icq being popular because webcams were just coming out and people could look at each other's junk IN REALTIME
22:11 <@systemdee> i feel like its really lame when github counts 1 pull request as 1 contribution
22:11 <@systemdee> even if i change like 30 files
22:11 < Pebbles5> +18664037638
22:11 <@systemdee> time to pad my stats by making a PR for every file
22:11 < estranger> heh
22:12 < tapoxi> Pebbles5: well signal doesnt have many frills and it doesnt have an ad campaign, its just secure and open source
22:12 < tapoxi> discord is just slack 4 gamerz
22:12 <+DrGibby|> fuck discord
22:12 < estranger> i dont even know what signal is... im fucking lame
22:12 <+DrGibby|> steaming pile of garbage
22:12 <@systemdee> estranger,  its telegram with less users
22:13 < Pebbles5> I think most people use Discord and Telegram because they have Rooms/Groups
22:13 < tapoxi> estranger: its a messaging app, the only secure one on the market really
22:14 < Pebbles5> Signal is not really a Telegram or Discord competitor from that regard
22:14 < tapoxi> Signal has groups
22:14 < xamithan> discord is pure autistic
22:15 < Pebbles5> tapoxi: doesn't have public rooms though? does it?
22:15 < tapoxi> Pebbles5: no public rooms
22:16 < Pebbles5> I've seen most people use Telegram for that, and also Bots
22:16 < tapoxi> my problem with telegram is its closed source, doesn't encrypt by default, and when it does it uses custom encryption
22:16 < Pebbles5> Huge amount of bots on Telegram
22:16 <@systemdee> i still just use whatsapp
22:16 <@systemdee> i dont talk asbout anything im concerned people are going to read/see
22:16 <@systemdee> and i dont send nudes
22:16 <@systemdee> so im good
22:17 < Pebbles5> Heh
22:17 < vinrock> noodz
22:17 < Pebbles5> Ramen?
22:17 <@systemdee> wawt
22:18 < scwizard> ahhh
22:18 < xamithan> Thats the problem right there.  You just don't care about privacy
22:18 < scwizard> i hate working from home
22:18 < Pebbles5> I think outside USA, Japan, South Korea and China most people use WhatsApp
22:18 < tapoxi> systemdee: the private chat stuff in whatsapp is signal
22:18 <@systemdee> i dont use private chat in whatsapp
22:19 <@systemdee> because once again, i dont say/post/talk about things that i should be concerned over
22:19 < tapoxi> oh well enjoy mark zuckerberg jerking it to your texts
22:19 < scwizard> i say on slack "hey maybe we can do this thing" and my boss is like "yeah sure sounds great" then I'm like "ok actually lets do it right now, it would solve this problem we're having" and then silence
22:19 <@systemdee> if zuck wants to jerk off to me asking my wife if she wants spicy or mild guac he is free to
22:19 < scwizard> and i dunno if he's working on it, out to coffee, discussing it with a coworker or what
22:19 < tapoxi> systemdee: mark "spicy guac" zuckerberg
22:20 < scwizard> or busy with something else
22:20 < tapoxi> scwizard: why fix now what you can fix later
22:21 < xamithan> Why fix on Monday
22:23 < dragonfleas> so
22:23 < dragonfleas> appdata redirect worked for every single person but one girl
22:23 < MillerBOSS> No
22:23 < dragonfleas> i wonder if I can just manually migrate it
22:24 < dragonfleas> I know with user folders you have to apply folder properties with a command line
22:24 < estranger> is she cute? maybe its a blessing in disguise
22:24 < dragonfleas> do you guys know that command to apply folder properties?
22:24 < dragonfleas> like to make a folder "documents" or make a folder "my music"
22:24 < corn266> chmod?
22:25 < dragonfleas> is chmod it?
22:25 < dragonfleas> no
22:25 < corn266> https://superuser.com/questions/106181/equivalent-of-chmod-to-change-file-permissions-in-windows
22:25 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  Equivalent of chmod to change file permissions in Windows - Super User
22:26 < dragonfleas> yeah there are certain attributes you have to set for a documents folder to be read as an actual documents folder and not just a simple folder
22:26 < corn266> oh my bad
22:26 < dragonfleas> I think it's icalcs
22:26 < dragonfleas> yeah it's icalcs that does it
22:26 < dragonfleas> i just need to find the switches to make it work
22:27 < arlion> Just like I said, the guys over in bash are super pretentious.
22:27 < Hatter> arlion: like who
22:27 < arlion> fuck dick waving the entire way.
22:28 < technonerd> shocking fedex is down
22:28 <+JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: i loved subinacl when fixing viruses on computers (where residential users all ran in admin rights)
22:28 < L3gacy> what did I alt tab back to?
22:28 < corn266> Did they help you
22:28 < arlion> if you didn't see the convo, im not going to rehash it here
22:28 < arlion> yes
22:28 <+JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: also, i think you can do most of that with powershell now
22:28  * L3gacy is scared of dick waving
22:28 < arlion> and they called me incompetent sysadmin in the process.
22:28 <+JollyRgrs> L3gacy: stay away from metal fans
22:28 < Hatter> JollyRgrs: do you mean people who like loud music?
22:28 < L3gacy> *chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop  chop*
22:28 < L3gacy> It's a cuisinart
22:29 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, yeah, I'm trying to find an article I found before that listed the exact attributes to set My Documents/My Music/My Pictures etc, they can become corrupted if you put an invalid target in your libraries
22:29 < dragonfleas> weird windows 7 issue
22:29 < L3gacy> So.. friend says he's NOT biased against gays, but we need to "protect the workplace and stop the spread of STDs"
22:29 < gnupluslinux> fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip fwip
22:29 < L3gacy> Unfriended.
22:30 < Hatter> L3gacy: I agree with him so far
22:30 < gnupluslinux> Stop dipping yer pens in company ink L3gacy
22:30 <+JollyRgrs> ooh! new vs code update... now you can layout tabs in grid style
22:30 < L3gacy> He says gays are the number one spreaders of disease in the world.,...
22:30 < L3gacy> so.. unfriended, blocked.
22:30 < syere> wtf
22:30 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs yep
22:30 < Hatter> L3gacy: what's the real answer
22:30 < gnupluslinux> Now if only had the real estate for it
22:31 < dragonfleas> There's a way to block WSUS sidestepping but it only works on Enterprise right?
22:31 < L3gacy> syere yeah.  My facebook is a great tool for finding morons
22:31 < Hatter> are you sure he's wrong?
22:31 < syere> I do not regret going down to sub 50 friends on fb
22:31 < L3gacy> Facebook is an AWESOME tool for finding the racist and stupid :)
22:31 < L3gacy> I'm waiting for them to upgrade :)
22:31 < Hatter> L3gacy: then who is the number 1 spreader of diseases?
22:32 < syere> rodents I think
22:32 < Hatter> gay rodents?
22:32 < syere> followed by mosquito
22:32 < L3gacy> He's listed... cancer as being spread by gays
22:32 < xamithan> Humans are the #1 spreader
22:32 < L3gacy> O_O
22:32 < Hatter> L3gacy: that's still probably technically true
22:32 < L3gacy> I'm getting sushi later
22:32 < syere> he must think anal causes rectal cancer
22:32 < L3gacy> or Thai
22:32 < L3gacy> Thai, or Sushi?
22:33 < L3gacy> Or should I look for a Filipino place?
22:33 < xamithan> Why you eat raw fish
22:33 < xamithan> That could have diseases
22:33 < L3gacy> I nlove Karaage
22:33 < L3gacy> that WONDERFUL Japanese chicken
22:33 < L3gacy> hammered thin
22:33 < L3gacy> panko
22:33 < L3gacy> aioli
22:33 < dragonfleas> ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉)
22:33 < xamithan> kobe
22:34 < dragonfleas> aioli
22:34 < dragonfleas> kobaishi
22:34 < xamithan> うるさい
22:34 < dragonfleas> china numbah 1
22:35 < scwizard> best part about being an office is I can only ask coworkers for stuff when they're not focused
22:35 < L3gacy> dragonfleas, Chīle ma?
22:35 < dragonfleas> NO
22:35 <+DrGibby|>  china numbah 1
22:36  * DrGibby| spams
22:36 < dragonfleas> TAHHWAN NUMBAH 1 CHINA NUMBAH 2
22:36 < L3gacy> I asked in Mandarin if you had eaten, yet
22:36 < L3gacy> Typical when one visits the home of another
22:37 < xamithan> Thats too hard to decipher without kanji
22:38 < Pebbles5> I wonder when Facebook will start their Cloud PaaS business ;)
22:38 < xamithan> You can say 10 different things with the same two words by tone of voice O.o
22:38 < L3gacy> Pooping ass a service?
22:38 < Pebbles5> Considering how many people use React/React Native and other technologies from then o wouldn't be surprised if lots of people start using their service ;)
22:41 < Pebbles5> 's/then o/them, I'
22:42 < Heresiarch> Pebbles5: FB can't hear you over all of the money they're making in ads/selling info, and they DGAF about trying to make more money competing with amazon.
22:42 < Pebbles5> Hmm
22:42 < Pebbles5> s/'then o/'then, I'
22:42 < Pebbles5> Heh it doesn't work
22:43 < Pebbles5> Oh my bad
22:43 < Pebbles5> s/'then o'/'then, I'
22:43 < Pebbles5> Heresiarch: hehe
22:43 < estranger> s/'then o'/FAILBOAT
22:44 < Pebbles5> s/FAILBOAT/FAILBOT
22:45 < Pebbles5> ;)
22:45 < estranger> man i really hungry already
22:45 < estranger> I'm. Cant even type
22:45 < Pebbles5> Same here
22:46 < felda> !g how to make Snort not snort so much cocaine and flag literally ever web page
22:46 < estranger> felda, man you gotta whitelist and tune that shit so hard.. default settings alert on everything and their mother
22:46 < Pebbles5> I need some food
22:46 < dragonfleas> Do your guys' servers have access to the internet?
22:46 < estranger> depends
22:47 <+DrGibby|> insert failboat into the loveboat theme
22:47 < dragonfleas> ours have not restricted access besides IE protected mode and firewall lol
22:47 < Pebbles5> I?
22:47 < estranger> most production stuff, hell to the no, not directly
22:47 < Pebbles5> *IE?
22:48 < Pebbles5> Hmm Vultr and DigitalOcean costs the same...
22:49 < L3gacy> Pebbles5, decisions, decisions?
22:49 < Pebbles5> Yep :)
22:49 <+JollyRgrs> Pebbles5: just say no to vultr
22:49 < Pebbles5> JollyRgrs: why?
22:50 < MillerBOSS> Pebbles5 👉 You haven't decided yet?
22:50 < Pebbles5> No
22:50 < MillerBOSS> Pick one and go
22:50 < MillerBOSS> ffs
22:50 < MillerBOSS> ;)
22:50 <+JollyRgrs> Pebbles5: from what i know, they are the ones hosting the terrible rocket league servers
22:50 < MillerBOSS> Yeah and it also has to do with the people that configure that JollyRgrs
22:51 < abakedapplepie> vultr's lowest offering is cheaper than DO
22:51 < MillerBOSS> I have been using Vultr since it started. Zero issues.
22:51 < abakedapplepie> 2.5 vs 5
22:51 < Pebbles5> How is Linode? They also cost the same
22:51 < abakedapplepie> linode is almost double for comparable services
22:51 < Pebbles5> Oh
22:51 < abakedapplepie> linode used to be the star child
22:51 < MillerBOSS> Also Vultr you can give a VPS your own iSO. Can't do that with Digital Ocean or Linode as far as I remember.
22:51 < abakedapplepie> now its the bastard redhead
22:52 < abakedapplepie> MillerBOSS: there are ways around that with recovery OSes
22:52 < abakedapplepie> iirc
22:52 < abakedapplepie> i used someones DO ISOs for installing hyper-v 2016 on my OVH dedi
22:52 < dragonfleas> Do you guys like BGinfo?
22:53 <+JollyRgrs> gnupluslinux: oooh! We have new commands for sub-word navigation and sub-word deletion. These commands will stop at camel case positions and at underscores (_).
22:53 <+JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: depends on who deploys it and how
22:53 < pcspkr> shit gets confusing at 3+ layers of abstraction :<
22:54 < SleePy> I'm stumped on this.  Built a RPI with the lite image.  Can ping google, msn, yahoo, etc.  Can update just fine.  Can't ping or resolve any local systems.  DNS from DHCP is the DCs on the network.
22:55 < Heresiarch> SleePy: are you trying via fqdn, or short name? If the latter, is the domain in the search parameter of /etc/resolv.conf ?
22:56 < SleePy> fqdn.  servername.company.tld
22:56 < Pebbles5> You can run OPNsense on Vultr?
22:56 < Heresiarch> Have you run a dig @<DC-IP-HERE> <some-name-of-box>.company.tld ?
22:56 <+JollyRgrs> SleePy: is that resolving to your LAN or WAN IP?
22:56 < SleePy> Which is why its driving me crazy.  DHCP hands out the DCs for DNS.  Firewall actually blocks everything other than DCs from making DNS connections.
22:56 < SleePy> LAN IPs
22:57 < gnupluslinux> JollyRgrs yeah ive never used that but could def see its use
22:57 < SleePy> So it has to be resolving DNS.  But yet refuses to resolve the local servers by their fqdn.
22:57 < SleePy> Chrome on the RPI gives a DNS_PROBE failure message even.
22:58 < Pebbles5> Woah!
22:58 < Pebbles5> https://www.vultr.com/docs/installing-pfsense-on-a-vultr-cloud-server
22:58 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  Installing pfSense on a Vultr Cloud Server - Vultr.com
23:04 < SleePy> Weird..  Install dnsutils.  nslookup resolves fine.  ping tells me name or service not known.
23:04 < estranger> nslookup uses DNS directly, ping uses your local resolver. milage may vary
23:05 < SleePy> I'm thinking systemd since that is new in this RPI image
23:05 < _KaszpiR_> look into /etc/nsswitch.conf
23:05 < SleePy> I sorta remember now it having its own dns resolver.   For whatever reason.
23:06 < _KaszpiR_> yeah on 127.0.0.53 AFAIR
23:06 < SleePy> Yea nsswitch shows: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns
23:07 < vinrock> wtf is up with dell's garbage website
23:07 < vinrock> why can i sometimes customise a pc and other times i canty change shit
23:08 < SleePy> That did it.  Ejected the mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] part.
23:08 < Heresiarch> SleePy: https://askubuntu.com/questions/907246/how-to-disable-systemd-resolved-in-ubuntu
23:08 <+layer-eight> * Heresiarch →  dns - How to disable systemd-resolved in Ubuntu? - Ask Ubuntu
23:08 < Heresiarch> might also want to look into that. systemd now comes with its own resolver, which can cause problems - especially if you want to get into any container usage.
23:09 <+DrGibby|> systemd is the problem
23:09 < SleePy> Will have to try that once I rebuild the image again to complete my script testing.  I'm sure systemd most likely will decide to add stuff to the nsswitch.conf again
23:10 <+DrGibby|> not in terms of the issue you're having, but in terms of being a fucking stupid piece of trash
23:10 < SleePy> You mean you don't like some software that is doing 100 things in its own way wrong rather than 1 software that does 1 thing and does it right?
23:10 < _KaszpiR_> it's not that bad, some things are okay
23:11 < _KaszpiR_> but some are like wtf, afair recently they integrated bootloader with systemd
23:11 < _KaszpiR_> no more grub
23:12 <+DrGibby|> we've had this systemd conversation before and I cba to say it again
23:12 <+DrGibby|> its got one or two things going for it, but the rest of it, its implementation, and its usefulness overall takes away any positives it possibly had
23:13 < vinrock> the systemd is down
23:13 < vinrock> doot do doot
23:13 < SleePy> Yea, like spending an hour to figure out why I couldn't resolve a local server name but can resolve wan domains just fine?  There isn't any way the resolver can get to any public dns servers, so it filtered my dns requests
23:15 < _KaszpiR_> DrGibby| fair enough, not gonna discuss, indeed some stuff is okay, the rest is just overkill
23:29 < Spr1ng> So it looks like ghostbin.com but the dust.
23:30 < MillerBOSS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqB8v14U_zs
23:30 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  YouTube → Almost 10 HOURS of Cisco Default Hold Music (Opus Number 1) → ⚘ 4,247 ↑ 50 ↓ 0 ✍ 8
23:31 < MillerBOSS> This shit is HIGH QUALITY
23:32 < xamithan> Thats cool I guess
23:33 < MillerBOSS> Listen with headphones. Sounds amazing 
23:33 < MillerBOSS> Like ZOMG
23:33 < MillerBOSS> Whats up xamithan ?
23:36 < xamithan> Just compiling some stuff and trying to find a csr so I can renew a cert
23:36 < xamithan> Hope this Monday is boring
23:37 < MillerBOSS> Why do you want it boring xamithan ?
23:37 < adamb> xamithan: openssl x509 -x509toreq -in cert.crt -out csr.csr -signkey private.key
23:37 < MillerBOSS> adamb 👉 You are the best
23:38 < adamb> I knew that thales HSM certification would come in useful one day
23:38 < xamithan> Because I was here late friday when the air unit died.  I don't want anything that exciting tonight
23:39 < MillerBOSS> 2nd shift worker xamithan ?
23:40 < xamithan> Yup
23:40 < MillerBOSS> Awesome website http://www.caspiantek.com/ No Start Page
23:41 < MillerBOSS> OK well play some games then xamithan
23:47 < MillerBOSS> Damn another vendor with Opus Number 1
23:48 < MillerBOSS> Trying to find a vendor that resells Fortinet training and knows what the fuck they are talking about is an endless maze.
23:48 < GreyKite> MillerBOSS: why Fortinet?
23:49 < MillerBOSS> Because that is what I went with
23:49 < MillerBOSS> :)
23:49 < GreyKite> MillerBOSS: right, right, I was wondering why you went with it
23:49 < GreyKite> got nothing for or against it, just curious
23:50 < MillerBOSS> Oh, because its a step up from my SonicWALL shit and its affordable.
23:50 < GreyKite> fair enough, makes sense
23:50 < MillerBOSS> And I am impressed by their offerings for the cost.
23:51 < MillerBOSS> https://www.fortinet.com/content/dam/fortinet/assets/training/NSE-End-User-Guide.pdf but its super difficult finding anyone to resell these courses
23:51 <+layer-eight> * MillerBOSS →  APPLICATION/PDF Document, 5,794,223 bytes
23:51 < MillerBOSS> Are you thinking of switching to them or something GreyKite ?
23:52 < GreyKite> MillerBOSS: wondering if it is worth learning
23:52 < xamithan> If you west coast yeah
23:53 < MillerBOSS> Yeah I think so.
23:53 < xamithan> No one really uses it on the eastern shore
23:53 < adamb> the important thing is to learn the skills... most NGFW's are pretty much the same
23:53 < GreyKite> fair enough
23:53 < adamb> once you know the concept, it's a few hours of clicking around to figure out a new vendor
23:54 < MillerBOSS> You are right adamb but I want to know the particular things regarding Fortinet's products. FortiManager, FortiAnalyzer etc.
23:54 < MillerBOSS> And clicking around is fine but if there are some videos I would rather have those :)
23:54 < DomLS3> SonicWall > *
23:54 < MillerBOSS> You can have mine DomLS3
23:54 < MillerBOSS> TZ 600
23:55 < DomLS3> TZ lol
23:55 < DomLS3> that's kiddie shit
23:55 < DomLS3> 2400 or higher
23:55 < DomLS3> or it's junk
23:55 < MillerBOSS> TZ 600 is near NSA
23:55 < estranger> Hayes 2400 baud
23:55 < estranger> top notch, son
23:56 < adamb> MillerBOSS: oh yeah absolutely, I just meant that sometimes people get too hung up on what to learn. The important thing is to just start learning.
23:56 < MillerBOSS> You are right adamb
23:56 < GreyKite> adamb: what's a good place to start learning?
23:57 < adamb> MOOC's
23:57 < adamb> Edx, coursera et al.
23:57 < adamb> Youtube vidoes, like CBT nuggets
23:57 < xamithan> does forti have images you can plug in GNS3
23:58 < adamb> most vendors now have a vm appliance
23:59 < adamb> https://www.fortinet.com/demo-center/fortigate-vm-demo.html
23:59 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  FortiGate-VM Demo
23:59 < adamb> there we go
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