--- Log opened Thu Jul 12 00:00:34 2018
00:11 < Ayeitzabee> Yeee
00:18 < estranger> Just realized I've been standing since 9am, and now I'm stuck standing on the train home
00:45 < admiralspark> dragonfleas: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/8y2bit/thank_you_all_i_am_free/
00:45 <+layer-eight> * admiralspark →  Thank you All, I am free! : sysadmin
00:45 < admiralspark> is this you?
00:47 < admiralspark> JollyRgrs: so you're a manager of the globe??
00:51 < blinkingprompt> my spotify premium subscription stopped 6 months ago
00:51 < blinkingprompt> but it still works
00:51 < blinkingprompt> spoopy
00:56 < enix> jelly
00:56 < enix> im still paying for mine
00:56 < enix> Must use the same logic as microsoft because my partners microsoft live hasn't been paid for in years and it never runs out
01:16 < coderphive> Are we done with limit-latin-characters-tuesday?
01:16 < coderphive> jw
01:16 < adamb> it's now wchar-wednesday
01:17 < adamb> UTF-8 2-4 byte characters only
01:17 < xamithan> no poop emojis?
01:17 < adamb> a poop is 2 bytes isn't it?
01:18 < xamithan> I do not have that character set
01:19 < coderphive> I'm going to go out on a limb here but...
01:19 < coderphive> !vote2ban cryptic1 JollyRgrs
01:19 < adamb> U+1F4A9
01:19 < adamb> 3 bytes?
01:19 < coderphive> :|
01:19 < coderphive> This is awkward
01:20 < adamb> 🤷
01:34 <@JollyRgrs> everyone press F to pay respects to coderphive
01:35 < misspwn_> hey we can stop doing caps
01:35 <@JollyRgrs> dang son...
01:35 <@JollyRgrs> no one even paid you any respect
01:35 <@JollyRgrs> i kinda felt bad for you
01:35 < coderphive> They slid in my DM's
01:35 < coderphive> no worries
01:35 < Virtual-Potato> Yes, I'm alive. I'm here now
01:35 < coderphive> Virtual-Potato: press F
01:36 < Virtual-Potato> what happened?
01:36 <@JollyRgrs> for patch panels... is there really any diff between a cat5e and cat6 patch panel?
01:37 <@JollyRgrs> the diff is in the number of twists and maybe some shielding, amirite?
01:37 < Virtual-Potato> cat6 or cat6a?
01:37 <@JollyRgrs> cat6
01:37 < Virtual-Potato> cat6a can do 10g FYI
01:37 <@JollyRgrs> what's 6a? is that riser?
01:37 <@JollyRgrs> oh
01:37 < Virtual-Potato> over short distances at least
01:37 < Virtual-Potato> it's just more shielded version of cat6
01:38 <@JollyRgrs> even still... it still terminates into RJ-45 and 8 wires, right?
01:38 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
01:38 < Virtual-Potato> yup
01:38 < Virtual-Potato> 10g copper
01:38 <@JollyRgrs> so... patch panel unaffected
01:39 <@JollyRgrs> https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=7305 so there's nothing wrong with getting this, right?
01:39 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  Monoprice 48-port Cat6 Patch Panel, 110 Type (568A/B Compatible) - Monoprice.com
01:40 < adamb> depends on distance
01:40 <@JollyRgrs> any reason to pay extra for a patch panel with LEDs? (this is for home lab)
01:40 < adamb> if you're going 1m, you can run ethernet over rusty wire at 10 gig
01:40 <@JollyRgrs> depending on the depth of the rust
01:40 < adamb> if you're going 10m+, you want to look at doing things proper like, particularly at 10 gig
01:40 <@JollyRgrs> maybe if just surface rust and contacts are cleaned
01:40 < hug> DSL over wet string.
01:41 <@JollyRgrs> DSL does not work on wet
01:41 <@JollyRgrs> trust me
01:41 < hug> DSL does work on wet string.
01:41 <@JollyRgrs> one job i had, his internet went out when it rained... and in the mornings...
01:41 < hug> https://boingboing.net/2017/12/13/rfc-2549.html
01:41 <+layer-eight> * hug →  You can run DSL over wet string / Boing Boing
01:41 < adamb> i assume that your home is probably no longer than 20m along the longest edge, so plain old cat6 will be fine
01:41 <@JollyRgrs> his neighbor had yard work done (installed sprinkler system).. they knicked his copper... and then when the water went... so did his connection
01:42 < hug> JollyRgrs: That's a regularity in Australia, just FYI.
01:42 < hug> The telecomms pits fill with water and the internet goes out.
01:42 < coderphive> 180 ft for 10Gb
01:42 <@JollyRgrs> adamb: you also gotta factor in going all the way up and back down walls and sometimes over gabled ceilings
01:42 < coderphive> idk if anyone said that
01:43 < adamb> JollyRgrs: if you're a minotaur and live in a labyrinth, you might want to consider cat6a
01:43 < coderphive> You'll never actually get full utilization out of that 10Gb
01:43 < Virtual-Potato> watch me
01:43 < coderphive> but one can dream
01:43 < Virtual-Potato> I'll utilize that so hard
01:44 < coderphive> Virtual-Potato: splain
01:44 < Virtual-Potato> iperf between 2 hosts
01:44 < coderphive> I'd like to hear your practical use for such a thing
01:44 < adamb> 4k porn livestreaming brothel
01:44 < coderphive> So, you will install 10Gb cable and buy 10Gb equipment so you can... run iperf
01:44 < Virtual-Potato> yes
01:44 < Virtual-Potato> coderphive, what are you not understanding here?
01:45 < adamb> 10GB is cheap
01:45 < Virtual-Potato> I thought I was being pretty clear
01:45 < coderphive> We have truly transcended reality in this chat
01:45 < Virtual-Potato> coderphive, would you say that it's now... virtual?
01:45 < adamb> Our LAN refresh happening at the moment is going for 10 gig to the desk
01:45 < misspwn_> has anyone had a user get one of those bitcoin ransom type emails that were actually real?
01:45 < coderphive> misspwn_: yes
01:45 < Virtual-Potato> adamb, why 10g? go for 100g
01:45 < adamb> it's not costing as much as you'd think on the switch side
01:46 < misspwn_> coderphive, and not like a crypto where it encrypts the hdd
01:46 < coderphive> oh
01:46 < coderphive> nvm
01:46 < misspwn_> " i installed malware on porn and i saw you view the porn" gimmemoney or i share the video of you watching said porn to all your contacts
01:46 < coderphive> oh
01:46 < misspwn_> i don't know if its real or not
01:46 < adamb> Virtual-Potato: port capacity - it's difficult to do 400 ports of 100GB in a single cab
01:46 < coderphive> Yeah, that happened to a friend
01:46 < coderphive> He got on skype with them and dared them to do it
01:47 < coderphive> They were Jamaicans iirc
01:47 < Virtual-Potato> adamb, it's easy when you have money
01:47 < adamb> Virtual-Potato: Also, fibre to the desk is a PITA
01:47 < coderphive> adamb: whats the total cost?
01:47 < misspwn_> coderphive, this person included a BTC address and said they had 1 day to pay up or they would email it to all of his contacts and they got most of his password right
01:48 < Virtual-Potato> inb4 it's misspwn_ that's being ransomed
01:48 < misspwn_> webroot scans came up clean, malware bytes came up mostly clean, email was changed
01:48 < coderphive> misspwn_: probably a leaked hash
01:49 < Virtual-Potato> yeah check haveibeenpwned
01:49 < misspwn_> it was one of those "well did you look?"
01:49 < misspwn_> cause if you did look at the porn at work
01:49 < coderphive> wow
01:49 < coderphive> People really do that?
01:49 < adamb> coderphive: we have change left over from 75k
01:50 < misspwn_> haveibeenpwned shows nothing
01:50 < misspwn_> at least for the work email so meh
01:50 < coderphive> Who just casually browses porn at work
01:50 < adamb> you'd be surprised
01:50 < misspwn_> ahahahha so i put in my email address just for shits and giggles....
01:50 < coderphive> misspwn_: is this a work password or does he share them for work and private?
01:50 < misspwn_> pwned on 9 breached sites
01:50 < Virtual-Potato> yeah
01:51 < Virtual-Potato> and password reuse is a big problem
01:51 < Virtual-Potato> so many people use the same password for everything
01:51 < misspwn_> coderphive, it was for his work email
01:51 < adamb> 2fa all the things
01:51 < Virtual-Potato> including banking info, which is downright idiotic
01:51 < misspwn_> but again, he could have used it for others (variations)
01:51 < misspwn_> they emailed his work email though
01:52 < adamb> if your senior staff don't approve whatever 2fa solution you propose, they can't do maths properly - one breach prevented and you're likely in profit
01:52 < coderphive> misspwn_: yeah but that could be easy to discern
01:52 < misspwn_> email subject had his username and password but that's so vague because most naming conventions in active directory are often the first initial last name which is also email
01:53 < misspwn_> so his personal email could be similar and they could have looked him up randomly
01:54 < misspwn_> i guess i think of it this way, obvoiusly he had a concern. if i got an email like that and hadn't actively been on those sites i would ignore it
01:55 < coderphive> Maybe
01:55 < misspwn_> i guess we will find out tomorrow!
01:56 < misspwn_> they wanted $2900 in bitcoin
01:56 < coderphive> TIL people browse porn at work
01:56 < Virtual-Potato> TIL people don't know that people browse porn at work
01:57 < misspwn_> so it's funny you should mention that. i had been applying to a company several times as it underwent management changes time and time again. they hired some guy over me and he got fired a month later as he was actively watching porn on his ipad . chair half out of cube just full blown
01:57 < misspwn_> "i was on my lunch break"
01:57 < enix> HAHA someone got pwned watching porn at work!?
01:57 < coderphive> wow
01:57 < adamb> There is a direct correclation between seniority and chance of porn viewing
01:57 < coderphive> jesus
01:57 < adamb> Also between frequency of company travel and porn viewing
01:58 < misspwn_> i mean, if you're going to do it...can you just not right out in the open?
01:58 < enix> misspwn_: That might actually be legit
01:58 < coderphive> haha, I'm honestly shocked
01:58 < enix> misspwn_: Do you know what the porn was called?
01:58 < enix> misspwn_: They should have provided a name of the vid/pics/site.
01:59 < coderphive> At least categories
01:59 < coderphive> "Oh yeah, that was definitely me"
01:59 < misspwn_> enix, they said if you don't believe him that he would send the video and links
01:59 < coderphive> Open that in a sandbox
01:59 < enix> misspwn_: get the vid/links
01:59 < misspwn_> but that if he did sent the video and links that he would then just send it to the contacts
01:59 < enix> Let's see what this twisted fuck is up to
01:59 < Virtual-Potato> they're just baiting to see if the e-mail address is active
02:00 < misspwn_> it also said to not waste time and reply to email
02:00 < misspwn_> they spoofed an outlook email address
02:00 < Virtual-Potato> yeah
02:00 < coderphive> Yeah, honestly, it's better to just ignore it
02:00 < Virtual-Potato> sounds like a bait
02:00 < Virtual-Potato> just ignore it
02:00 < coderphive> Even if they do email everyone in his contacts it'd be pointless
02:00 < coderphive> It'll probably arrive in the spam folder unless they use Office 365
02:01 < misspwn_> after changing all of that yeah it's been closed out, i told him to not respond. (also they have spam turned off) because they got mad that certain emails were being blocked
02:01 < enix> Man I'd fucking tell them to do it
02:01 < enix> Fuck yeah, show my missus what kinky shit im into
02:01 < enix> Maybe it'll open some doors for us
02:01 < misspwn_> hhahah
02:01 < enix> Maybe it'll open some doors for her ;)
02:01 < enix> knock knock
02:01 <+TuxedoJack> Pfft.
02:01 <+TuxedoJack> Lightweight.
02:02 < misspwn_> it's a great way to end the day at least after puttingon graphics designer hat
02:03 < misspwn_> we got blamed that pushing clients from 2010 to 2016 messed up their word templates for all their store designs
02:03 < misspwn_> put word 2010 on the RDS and it opened the same
02:03 < misspwn_> the margins are all jacked up and it prints terribly and i had to try to redesign it
02:08  * enix wants to roll his own firewall
02:08 < enix> Im thinking iptables
02:08 < enix> thoughts?
02:09 < catbeard> nay, ipset
02:09 < catbeard> think of it like redis for iptables
02:09 < enix> looks like fun
02:09 < enix> I also dont know what redis is but it's in my google search thank you
02:09 < catbeard> o man
02:10  * enix is feeling very green these days
02:10 < enix> First time I'm in complete control of stuff :(
02:10 < enix> brb though Im hungry
02:10 < catbeard> have fun down your high perf optimization journey
02:10 < catbeard> :)
02:10 < catbeard> check out redis v4 and allkeys-mru while you're at it
04:20 < enix> It's very quiet in here today
04:20 < enix> You fuckers aren't... omg... are you working!?!?!
04:21 <+TuxedoJack> In a fucking fore
04:21 <+TuxedoJack> *Fiore
04:21 <+TuxedoJack> *FIRE
04:21 <+TuxedoJack> Fucking christ, I can't type
04:21 < enix> fiore sounds kinky for some reason
04:21 < enix> probably because it sounds french
04:22 <+TuxedoJack> Eh, if you saw the Sailormoon R movie, it's the villain's name.
04:22 <+TuxedoJack> Weird as fuck plant fucker
04:35 < Church-> Heya TuxedoJack enix
04:42 <+DrGibby|> HELLO FRIENDS
04:43 < misspwn_> it's wednesday we don't need CAPS
04:43 <+DrGibby|> HELLO MISSPWN_
04:43 < misspwn_> HELLO THERE FRIEND
04:48  * DrGibby| pokes #reddit-sysadmin 
04:50 <+TuxedoJack> Y HALO THAR
04:51 <+DrGibby|> hello TuxedoJack
04:51 <+DrGibby|> hope you are well
04:55 < jay-ros> howdy guys
05:08 <+DrGibby|> hi mr jay-ros
05:09 < jay-ros> I'm currently learning to be a database administrator
05:09 <+DrGibby|> oh
05:09 <+DrGibby|> fun
05:10 < jay-ros> not really
05:10 < jay-ros> I fucked up a little
05:10 < jay-ros> for some reason my SCCM server wasn't added to the veeam backups
05:10 < jay-ros> everything else around it, but not that one
05:11 < jay-ros> ...and my transaction log filled up, so the SQL service wouldn't start to log in and clear the transaction log
05:12 <+DrGibby|> yeah, databases are a thing I shove to literally anyone else
05:12 < enix> could be worst
05:12 <+DrGibby|> because I know enough to really fuck things up
05:12 < enix> im pretty sure ijust deleted some backups thinking they were something else
05:12 < enix> eh
05:14 < darkscrypt> o/
05:14  * darkscrypt pokes DrGibby| 
05:14 <+DrGibby|> sup bby
05:14 < darkscrypt> just playing with my new toy
05:14 <+DrGibby|> ooo
05:14 < darkscrypt> laptop came in the maili today :)
05:14 <+DrGibby|> wot dat?
05:14 < darkscrypt> hp elite x360
05:15 < darkscrypt> its super sexy
05:15 <+DrGibby|> NOICE
05:15 < darkscrypt> got it to go to the defcon. i've had mostly cheap junkers for laptops and always had a decent desktop to remote into. but i got a few workshops to go to at defcon and i needed something to run the vms
05:15 < jay-ros> enix - you've got backup-backups?
05:16 <+DrGibby|> you're taking it to defcon?
05:16 <+DrGibby|> have you ever been?
05:16 < darkscrypt> DrGibby|: multiple times.
05:16 <+DrGibby|> ok, so you kmnow the risks
05:16 < darkscrypt> absolutely.
05:16 <+DrGibby|> just making sure
05:16 <+DrGibby|> I know a few people who didn't know any better
05:16 < darkscrypt> my best friend lost about $1000 worth of gear
05:17 < darkscrypt> he bought a lot of stuff from the hacker warehouse
05:17 < darkscrypt> like wifi pineapple and all sorts of things
05:17 <+DrGibby|> heh
05:17 <+DrGibby|> good shit
05:17 <+DrGibby|> always loved the warehouse
05:17 < darkscrypt> yup
05:17 <+DrGibby|> lots of crazy shit
05:18 < darkscrypt> i didn't buy anything really. i just went to go. i have a no buy policy typically. i need time to think about purchases.
05:18 <+DrGibby|> eh, I got a bunch of physec stuff
05:18 <+DrGibby|> generally the only place I can get it
05:18 < darkscrypt> well, if its available to purchase online, i'll do that.
05:19 <+DrGibby|> most of the stuff I needed required some kind of credentials to buy here as its regulated
05:20 < monoxane> i wanna go to defcon
05:20 <+DrGibby|> do it
05:20 < monoxane> but im on the other side of the world and 'poor'
05:20 < monoxane> so ill keep watching it on youtube 6 months after the event like i always do
05:21 <+DrGibby|> its an experience, thats for sure
05:21 <+DrGibby|> monoxane: start a gofundme
05:21 < monoxane> no im not taking money from people for my own personal gain
05:23 < JollyRoger`> If I do go to DefCon I'm seriously considering leaving all of my electronics gear behind, and just taking everything on paper and pencils.
05:26 <+DrGibby|> if its your first year, yeah thats your best bet
05:26 <+DrGibby|> phone in airplane mode while you walk about
05:26 <+DrGibby|> only use it when you're away from the event
05:27 < monoxane> yea thats what id do
05:27 < monoxane> or vet a burner
05:27 < monoxane> *get
05:27 < darkscrypt> monoxane: what side of the world?
05:27 <+DrGibby|> its hot and everyone wants to kill you
05:28 <+DrGibby|> err
05:28 <+DrGibby|> everything*
05:28 < monoxane> australia
05:28 < darkscrypt> monoxane: there are good cons in aussie though
05:29 < JollyRoger`> DrGibby|, got it! I think I could understand why this happens, it sounds like this is after all, for hacking, so devices should be hacked.
05:29 <+DrGibby|> last time I was there, we discovered several rouge cells towers
05:29 <+DrGibby|> some were in peoples backpacks
05:30 <+DrGibby|> think about that shit for a moment
05:30 < monoxane> isnt that a federal offence there?
05:30 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: that isn't surprising
05:30 <+DrGibby|> lol yes
05:30 <+DrGibby|> it is, monoxane
05:30 < monoxane> or does the whole place kinda have a turn your back situation
05:30 <+DrGibby|> you've got a bunch of hackers. No one is going to narc
05:30 <@JollyRgrs> monoxane: also fed. offense for movie theaters to run jammers to cause cell phones to not work in their theaters
05:30 < monoxane> JollyRgrs yea there was a lawsuit here over that
05:30 <+DrGibby|> yeah, the government just turns a blind eye to the whole thing
05:30 <@JollyRgrs> hotels got in trouble for doing that, trying to force you to use their wifi vs your 4g
05:31 <+DrGibby|> hell, they ATTEND
05:31 <@JollyRgrs> just like police use money to buy drugs, etc
05:31 <@JollyRgrs> gotta get in the game to know the game
05:31 < monoxane> yea
05:32 <+DrGibby|> its fun as shit though
05:32 < darkscrypt> it's not just about hacking JollyRgrs
05:32 <+DrGibby|> even better if you know someone with an in
05:32 <+DrGibby|> even better when you know the staff and get into everything
05:32 < darkscrypt> JollyRoger`: * things get stolen... a LOT of things get stolen
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt: i know it isn't just about hacking
05:32 <+DrGibby|> same with Blackhat
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> it's also about defense and security in general
05:32 < monoxane> the only defcon we have here is this defqon1.com.au/
05:32 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: i meant to copy JollyRoger`  your name squatter.
05:32 < monoxane> which is very not infosec related
05:32 <@JollyRgrs> but don't tell me nsa/cia aren't trying to find someone to recruit there, either
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> ah
05:33 < darkscrypt> JollyRgrs: why would that be a problem? I'd love to be recruited to spy on you fucks.
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> defqon... lol
05:33 <+DrGibby|> I know a LOT of NSA/CIA/FBI guys, and they all attend
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: i didn't say it was a problem
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> err
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> darkscrypt:
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> ugh
05:33 < darkscrypt> lol
05:33 <+DrGibby|> also, there is a game: Spot the fed
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> i need anew desk that is deeper
05:33 < darkscrypt> can you jam with the console cowboys in cyberspace?
05:33 <@JollyRgrs> ihave no place to rest my wrists comfortably
05:34 <@JollyRgrs> well, moreso... my elbows
05:34 < darkscrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNtcWpY4YLY
05:34 <+layer-eight> * darkscrypt →  YouTube → Do you know anything about hackers? → ⚘ 176,788 ↑ 1,487 ↓ 33 ✍ 232
05:34 <+DrGibby|> darkscrypt+++
05:34 < JollyRoger`> darkscrypt, sounds appropriate, actually. Once the hardware leaves your physical possession, it's no longer your hardware!
05:35 < darkscrypt> JollyRoger`: moreso.... its just theft...
05:35 <+DrGibby|> WHO THE FUCK IS JollyRoger`
05:35 < JollyRoger`> I'm new here.
05:35 < darkscrypt> he's just some dude.
05:35 < darkscrypt> who happens to squat on our dear moderator's name
05:35 <@JollyRgrs> lol
05:35 < monoxane> make a new desk
05:35 < darkscrypt> geeez DrGibby| .. aren't you a cyberguy? you should be able to find the poser.
05:35 < JollyRoger`> Yeah. It's just a coincidence that I happen to have a similar name to a moderator -- but no, I'm a different person entirely. I'm fairly new to systems administration.
05:36 <@JollyRgrs> i told him i wasn't going to make him change his name... but over time he might end up doing it on his own accord :P
05:36 <+DrGibby|> darkscrypt: I am
05:36 < monoxane> im currently building one that has 4u 400mm deep racks on each end
05:36 <+DrGibby|> recently promoted even
05:36 < monoxane> with a shelf in the middle for monitor arms
05:36 <@JollyRgrs> monoxane: eh... i could, but no time and i don't really have a "workshop"
05:36 < darkscrypt> DrGibby|: i pretend to be cybersec
05:36 <@JollyRgrs> my garage isn't empty enough
05:36 <+DrGibby|> darkscrypt: I used to as well
05:36 < monoxane> darkscrypt and i pretend to be a sysadmin, theres no difference :P
05:36 <+DrGibby|> but my people are SO much better than I
05:37 <+DrGibby|> but they're great people
05:37 < darkscrypt> DrGibby|: i end up just reading lots of re blogs and reading shit tons of stuff about assembly and x86
05:37 <@JollyRgrs> oh i don't need that, i got a little 12u rolly rack next to my desk and a 40u+ rack in my other office room
05:37 <+DrGibby|> re is an area I need to diddle
05:37 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: be careful with phrases like that :P
05:38 < monoxane> yea ive got a 12u under my desk now and a 24u in the other room but my desk is 600mm deep so i decided i should make another one thats 900mm deep and has actual space for things including rack stuff
05:38 <@JollyRgrs> you can end up on a list
05:38 <+DrGibby|> JollyRgrs: i'll diddle you too
05:38 <@JollyRgrs> you'll have to catch me, first
05:38 <@JollyRgrs> 900mm? who counts in those high numbers
05:38 <@JollyRgrs> that's why we use inches... don't have to count so high
05:38 < monoxane> JollyRgrs australians and everyone not in america
05:38 <@JollyRgrs> and too big in inches and we'll switch to feet
05:39 < monoxane> same with mm
05:39 < monoxane> 1000mm is a meter
05:39 < monoxane> mili is a thousand
05:39 < monoxane> so a milimeter is a thousanth of a meter
05:39 < monoxane> logical :P
05:40 < Polsaker> why use 900mm when you can use 90cm
05:40 <+DrGibby|> or 9mm
05:41 < monoxane> cos having everything im mm makes more sense than some of it im mm and some in cm
05:41 < monoxane> *in mm
05:41 < Polsaker> or 9dm
05:41 < Polsaker> but nobody uses decimeter
05:41 < monoxane> yea no nobody cares about dm
05:41 < Polsaker> but it's great
05:41 < Polsaker> not as creat about decameter
05:42 < monoxane> ill measure in femptometers to piss people off
05:42 < Polsaker> terameter
05:42 < Polsaker> now that's real numbers
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> i think it is funny when non-FREEDOMLOVIN people try to explain metric like we don't get it
05:43 < monoxane> JollyRgrs is just like "the fucks that? how many yards is a femptometer?"
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> we get it, we know how it works
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> monoxane: see... we don't know WHOTF came up with that stuff, we don't care
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> we got feet, and for short distances, yards
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> then we just jump straight to miles
05:43 <@JollyRgrs> done
05:43 < monoxane> femptometer is atom scale lol
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> we prob just call those atoms
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> "that's 4 atoms thick"
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> just like not many un-smart ppl even know how big a google is
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> or that google is even a real-word prior to the company
05:44 <@JollyRgrs> or that it is a number at all
05:45 < monoxane> or that googleplex is even more numerous
05:45 < Polsaker> well most people who use metric just use centimeter meter and kilometer
05:45 < monoxane> ^
05:45 <@JollyRgrs> kill-ommetter or keel-o-meter?
05:46 <+DrGibby|> kill-o
05:46 <+DrGibby|> er
05:46 <+DrGibby|> wait
05:46 <@JollyRgrs> :P
05:46 <+DrGibby|> yeah
05:46 <+DrGibby|> kil
05:46 < Polsaker> kill-o-beet
05:46 < monoxane> kil o
05:46 <@JollyRgrs> or key-lometter?
05:46 <+DrGibby|> the brits
05:46 <@JollyRgrs> but i got a peeeaaaaaace fuuuulllllll easy feeeelinnn
05:47 <@JollyRgrs> and i knowwww you won't let me dooown
05:47 <+DrGibby|> they had Brexit 2.0 today
05:48 <+DrGibby|> GET IT. BECAUSE THEY LOST IN SOCCER.
05:48 <+DrGibby|> BECAUSE ITS NOT COMING HOME LADS ETC
05:49 < monoxane> HAH
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> yo
05:49 <@Nostalg14c> who is a photoshop wizard
05:53 < AustinS> i killlll at mspaint
06:12 < dragonfleas> Goddamn it
06:12 < dragonfleas> Suddenly all of our employees are getting "Delivery Delayed" emails when trying to email the people we invoice for payment
06:12 < dragonfleas> this is critical revenue impacting
06:12 < dragonfleas> I need some beginning direction guys
06:12 < dragonfleas> I don't even know where to start with this
06:14 <+DrGibby|> dragonfleas: god speed <3
06:15 < dragonfleas> DrGibby|, I wish I could check the headers, but out of the 3 end-users I asked to send me a copy of the .msg NONE of them understood my EXACT instructions
06:15 < dragonfleas> *sigh*
06:15 < dragonfleas> I gotta get this fixed by tomorrow
06:15 < dragonfleas> My car broke down earlier so I have no way to the office tomorrow
06:16 < Nightcinder> dragonfleas: don't have any sort of spam filter?
06:16 < Nightcinder> that intercepts emails
06:17 < Nightcinder> whenever that stuff happens i open up our barracuda spam filter to find the emails
06:17 < dragonfleas> Nope, no spam filter
06:17 < Nightcinder> rip
06:18 < dragonfleas> I'm checking the send logs
06:19 < dragonfleas> Message tracking search tool just keeps giving no results wtf
06:20 < Nightcinder> are emails sending?
06:21 < dragonfleas> Yeah
06:21 < dragonfleas> So
06:21 < dragonfleas> I found it in the tracking logs
06:21 < dragonfleas> but
06:21 < dragonfleas> I mean I found the email, she sent it to 5 recipients and only 1 recipient wasn't able to receive it
06:22 < monoxane> delayed makes me thing the recieving server might be offline and its resending up to the timeout limit?
06:22 < dragonfleas> Yeah it might be the recipients issue
06:22 < monoxane> you say "the people we invoice" are all these people on one domain or host?
06:24 < dragonfleas> One domain
06:24 < monoxane> yeap so use an external email provider to check that domain
06:24 < dragonfleas> um
06:24 < monoxane> send something to it from gmail or something
06:24 < monoxane> see what that comes back with
06:24 < dragonfleas> So I'm trying to send emails to them, and they aren't appearing in our message tracking logs WTF
06:24 < dragonfleas> but i'm not getting any bounce-back
06:25 < monoxane> yea bounceback only occurs when the remote server is online but the mailbox doesnt exist or other server error
06:25 < dragonfleas> So it's possible it's not our isssue?
06:25 < monoxane> itll not show up in sendlogs until it actually gets sent or is undeliverable
06:25 < monoxane> yeap
06:26 < dragonfleas> their "IT" guy said "no it's definitely on your guys' end" lmao
06:26 < monoxane> smtp will continue to send it at ~15 minute intervals for up to 48 hours or until the remote server comes back online
06:26 < monoxane> interesting
06:26 < dragonfleas> What happens if it times out at 48 hours
06:26 < monoxane> emails will be returned as "Undeliverable" bounceback
06:26 < monoxane> or just go 'poof'
06:27 < dragonfleas> um
06:27 < dragonfleas> so apparently we have a send connector for their domain?
06:27 < dragonfleas> WTF
06:27 < monoxane> depends on your server
06:27 < monoxane> weird
06:27 < dragonfleas> I don't know how this is configured, so we have a send connector for SMTP traffic to invoiceguys.com
06:27 < dragonfleas> it's not actually invoiceguys.com btw lmao
06:27 < monoxane> thats out of my area of knowledge so someone else is gonna have to help you
06:28 < monoxane> i realised that
06:29 < dragonfleas> I found a document stating that send connectors for external domains were supported in 2003 exchange and previous, but not in 2007
06:30 < dragonfleas> we're on 2007 now, maybe that was left in post-migration when we migrated from 2003?
06:30 < dragonfleas> but
06:30 < dragonfleas> That couldn't be the reason why, because this stuff just started happening
06:30 < monoxane> how long has this issue been going on for?
06:30 < monoxane> can you check logs of other things?
06:31 < monoxane> there might be something else going on thats affecting it, firewall blocking one IP
06:31 < monoxane> etc
06:38 < dragonfleas> Just tonight
06:38 < dragonfleas> so i checked their domain with mxtoolbox
06:38 < dragonfleas> smtp connection test failed
06:38 < dragonfleas> and they have no DMARC record published
06:38 < dragonfleas> It's their end
06:38 < dragonfleas> fucking dumbasses
06:39 < dragonfleas> We have their IP explicitly allowed also
06:39 < dragonfleas> checked that
06:41 < misspwn_> ugh why no sleep
06:42 < misspwn_> this morning my alarm went off as it does at 6:15 then i opened my eyes agan at 7:38, never got dressed so fast for work and i was late 3 minutes
06:42 < misspwn_> duno if anyone else has run into the issue of their android phones alarms just either not going off or saying they did and the sound didn't work
06:43 < misspwn_> i bought a new alarm clock and downloaded an alarm app to get rid of the anxiety it causes. (being late this morning is rare)
06:45 < dragonfleas> Yeah that happens to me
06:45 < dragonfleas> Android alarms are not reliable by any means.
06:45 < dragonfleas> I'm having a late night tonight, fucking with exchange transport issues, the bane of my existence.
06:46 <@JollyRgrs> mfw man isn't on freebsd?
06:46 <@JollyRgrs> tried to man on my pfsense ssh session... "man: Command not found"
06:46 <@JollyRgrs> wut
06:49 <+DrGibby|> sudo apt-get install man
06:49 <+DrGibby|> but
06:49 <+DrGibby|> lolwot?
06:52 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: har
06:52 <@JollyRgrs> srsly...
06:52 <@JollyRgrs> if freebsd would just have "rename" i'd befine
06:52 <@JollyRgrs> but noooooooooo
06:52 <@JollyRgrs> i just want to rename my cert file the comes in as *.domain.com.cer to domain.com.cer
06:53 <@JollyRgrs> IS THAT TOO HARD TO ASK!?!?
06:55 < XV9> misspwn_, I have a terrible habit of turning the alarms off unconsciously or just ignoring them. I have like 6-7 set.
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> XV9: same here
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> and i still sleep through them all
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> sometimes they go off for 20 minutes at a time
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> my wife is NOT a fan
06:56 < XV9> Putting it across the room doesn't work either.
06:56 <@JollyRgrs> nope
06:56 < XV9> Yeah, my wife gets pissed because I not only snore, but the alarms too lol
06:56 <+A-KO> amusingly, 23andme based on my DNA said that I'd likely be up around 8:07AM....
06:56 <+A-KO> lol
06:56 <+A-KO> I don't really wake up until about 7:45-8
06:56 <+A-KO> so
06:56 <+A-KO> close
06:57 <@JollyRgrs> "huh, my alarm must not have gone off this morning".... no... it went off, i got up, turned it off, and went back to bed all w/o waking up
06:57 <+A-KO> I've always been kind of a late sleeper
06:57 <@JollyRgrs> late?
06:57 <+A-KO> when I was in HS during the summer I wouldn't wake up any time before 10AM...haha....and even during school was rough, I'd end up sleeping all day
06:57 < XV9> I have the option to go to the night shift and not really have that issue, but I have too much shit to take care of during the daytime.
06:57 <@JollyRgrs> i've always been a late sleeper... as in i stayed up until 2-3am "naturally" (at the computer all night) and then woke up around noon or 1
06:57 <+A-KO> yeah
06:58 <+A-KO> these days I'm more around 10-11PM and 7-9AM sleep
06:58 <+A-KO> sometimes up to 12-1
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> XV9: 2nd shift would be IDEAL for me, except $life
06:58 <+A-KO> gf is like 9PM-4AM shit
06:58 <+A-KO> I can't deal with that
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> for some reason, wife and kids' schedules sync up better w/ day shift
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> and my position is only day shift anyways
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: wtf? eww
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> tell her to GTFO
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> lo
06:58 <@JollyRgrs> l
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: how do i remove "*." at the start of a filename... in freebsd?
06:59 <+A-KO> thankfully we don't live together
06:59 <+A-KO> not a clue, didn't know that was a thing
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> rename does not exist
06:59 <+A-KO> renaming it doesn't work?
06:59 <+A-KO> mv?
06:59 <@Nostalg14c> A-KO: shit, my boi, i need deep help with a bnet account issue thats totally fuckin gme
06:59 <+A-KO> 'move' the file?
06:59 <+A-KO> mv oldname newname
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> and i ALMOST had ls|sed working, but not quite (only if performed in the current dir of the file when i don't have to worry about path)
06:59 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: programatically
07:00 <+A-KO> pretty sure freebsd has bash O.o
07:00 <+A-KO> mv should exist :P
07:00 <+A-KO> Nostalg14c: if you don't own the account good luck
07:00 <+A-KO> basically
07:00 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: this is pfSense FreeBSD
07:00 <@JollyRgrs> i don't even have "man"
07:00 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: it doesn't have 'mv'? wtf? lol
07:00 <@JollyRgrs> it has mv
07:01 <@Nostalg14c> A-KO: ugh, what constitutes owning.
07:01 <@Nostalg14c> It's on my bnet account.
07:01 <+A-KO> Nostalg14c: account is in your name
07:01 <@JollyRgrs> but how can i tell mv to "mv *.domain.com.cer domain.com.cer" in a script?
07:01 <+A-KO> just call it
07:01 <+A-KO> in the script
07:01 <+A-KO> literally
07:01  * JollyRgrs rolls his eyes
07:01 <@Nostalg14c> A-KO: ye but
07:01 <@Nostalg14c> the WoW account isn't.
07:01 <@JollyRgrs> dangit, i'm trying to make this work for more than just my one specific cert
07:01 <+A-KO> Nostalg14c: yeah that's a problem
07:01 <@Nostalg14c> But it was merged onto my Bnet fucking 8 years ago.
07:02 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: OH, you mean rename recursively?
07:02 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
07:02 <@JollyRgrs> all the *.cer
07:02 <@JollyRgrs> but they are wildcard, so acme pulls in the lets encrypt cert name as *.domain.com.cer
07:02 <@JollyRgrs> and windows can't handle that shit
07:03 <@JollyRgrs> i don't wanna live my life escaping the cert files, so i'mma just rename as part of the cert creation process
07:03 <@JollyRgrs> and could potentially apply to more than a single domain
07:03 <+A-KO> so you want a for loop
07:04 <@JollyRgrs> so i can't do a "pretty" (really ugly) 1 liner w/ like ls and sed or awk or something?
07:04 <+A-KO> nah
07:04 <@JollyRgrs> i can do a for loop, i was just thinking there was a better way
07:05 <+A-KO> Nostalg14c: when the accounts aren't in your name it's almost impossible to fix unless you can get in contact with the original account holder. Technically, trading/buying/selling/sharing accounts is against TOS (though it's widely known to happen). It just means you more or less can't get help with it realistically
07:05 <+A-KO> it sucks, but eh
07:05 <+A-KO> this is why I tell people
07:05 <+A-KO> DONT FUCKING TAKE OVER A FRIEND'S ACCOUNT
07:05 <+A-KO> EVER
07:05 <+A-KO> because complications *do* happen
07:05 < dragonfleas> shit why are you guys up right now
07:05 <+A-KO> it's only 10PM here
07:05 < dragonfleas> Ah
07:05 < dragonfleas> It's midnight here in CST
07:06 < dragonfleas> I just finished a 16 oz redbull
07:06 < dragonfleas> in for a night of exchange research
07:06 < dragonfleas> I have my laptop outside on my balcony, smoking a cigarette and reading experts exchange
07:06 < dragonfleas> .bofh
07:06 <+A-KO> nice
07:06 <+A-KO> I'm sitting here without my glasses on
07:06 <+A-KO> having just clipped my toenails
07:06 <+A-KO> just drank like half a bottle of water
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> A-KO: ye well
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> if we knew this
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> 8 year ago when bnet merge was forced with zero info
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> we wouldn've have done it
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> because theres literally ZERO upside
07:08 <@Nostalg14c> and its just a giant pain in the dick hole
07:09 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: i hate myself and am trying to be complicated in freebsd shell scripting
07:09 <@JollyRgrs> it's 1am here
07:10 <+A-KO> Nostalg14c: it's always been blizzard's policy
07:10 <@Nostalg14c> well
07:10 <@Nostalg14c> I think i just got it moved.
07:10 <@Nostalg14c> After fucking 8 years
07:10 < Katnip> EDT is the ONLY time
07:10 <@Nostalg14c> and 10 tickets.
07:10 <+A-KO> interesting
07:11 <+A-KO> oh man that was a good poop I just took
07:11 <+A-KO> I feel better
07:11 < Katnip> pics pls
07:12 <+A-KO> it wasn't anything special. Nothing like what I took the other day dropping hunterkll off at the airport
07:12 <+A-KO> that was epic
07:12 <+A-KO> I hate pooping in public places. But, I had like a 2.5 hour drive ahead of me so I was like "fuck it"
07:12 <@Nostalg14c> A-KO: photoshop may have been involved
07:12 <@Nostalg14c> i can't confirm or deny
07:13 < dragonfleas> In mxtoolbox blacklist check
07:13 <+A-KO> LOL
07:13 < dragonfleas> what does it mean if it says "TIME OUT" next to the blacklist host
07:14 <+A-KO> I need to reboot in a few
07:14 <+A-KO> windows 10 build 17713
07:14 < dragonfleas> nevermind
07:14 < dragonfleas> i googled
07:14 < dragonfleas> new windows 10 update?
07:14 < dragonfleas> yesterday was patch tuesday right?
07:14 <+A-KO> I'm on fast ring insider builds
07:15 <+A-KO> so there's a new build dropped today
07:15 <+A-KO> but yes yesterday was patch tuesday
07:15 <+A-KO> brb in a few
07:18 <@Nostalg14c> Hm.
07:19 <@Nostalg14c> Goodbye all mounts and achievements and reps.
07:22 <@JollyRgrs> AustinS: i figured it out
07:22 <@JollyRgrs> i'm an idiot and got lost in regex and forgot to escape / in the path
07:22 <@JollyRgrs> ls /root/AutoLECerts/\*\.* | sed 's/\(^\/root\/AutoLECerts\/\)\(\*\.\)\(.*\)/mv & \1\3/'
07:23 <@JollyRgrs> i just gotta send that toadd on a |/bin/sh and i'm done
07:24 <@JollyRgrs> ^^ this is why i work late...
07:24 <@JollyRgrs> my best "ah ha" moments come between 1-3am
07:25 <@JollyRgrs> just doesn't mix well w\/ working a 9-5
07:25 <@JollyRgrs> i should just start escaping all the stupid chars like \* and \. when i talk b\/c why not\?
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> John Wick
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> to the tune of Dolly Parton
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHcu5iCOq5U
07:27 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  YouTube → John Wick - 9 to 5 → ⚘ 47,631 ↑ 3,344 ↓ 21 ✍ 217
07:27 < ThatOneRoadie> That is far better than it has any right to be
07:27 <@JollyRgrs> lol
07:27 <@JollyRgrs> n1
07:36 < AustinS> back and :o @ figured it out, clearly i was MIA too long to even know wtf talking about, but yay!
07:36 < AustinS> and yep @ working late lol, and no other distractions, at least in office
07:37 < dragonfleas> finally got SSL cert working on exchange server
07:38 < dragonfleas> gonna cutover to O365 this weekend
07:38 < dragonfleas> wish me luck
07:38 < dragonfleas> sigh
07:38 < dragonfleas> this week has been crazy
07:41 < r9> all the best dragonfleas
07:50 < ceofreak> Mourning
07:51 < AustinS> hola
08:00 <+ktechmidas> I fucking hate wordpress
08:00 < ceofreak> why
08:00 <+ktechmidas> I have an nginx proxy.... with HTTPS... forwarding to a BRAND NEW wordpress setup... for some reason it's loading the CSS as http
08:00 <+ktechmidas> and the rest as https
08:00 <+ktechmidas> so it's fucking it up
08:00 <@Nostalg14c> ur wp theme is wrong
08:00 <+ktechmidas> I've set WP_SITE and everything in the config
08:00 <+ktechmidas> to HTTPS
08:00 <+ktechmidas> it's the default
08:00 <+ktechmidas> theme
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> probably hard coded links
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> lol
08:01 <@Nostalg14c> mod_rewrite it
08:02 <+ktechmidas> it'll have to be nginx I think?
08:02 <+ktechmidas> that does the rewrite
08:02 < matty_r> anybody seen Intel Atom CPUs running a Hypervisor before? Like ESXI?
08:02 < ceofreak> why would you
08:03 < matty_r> thats not relevant
08:07 <+ktechmidas> Nostalg14c, apparantly I need to add code to wp-config so it recognises HTTP_X_FORWARDED_PROTO
08:07 <+ktechmidas> and goes into https mode
08:07 <+ktechmidas> *sigh*
08:08 <+ktechmidas> good to know no matter where I am in life, wordpress is still as shit as when I first used it in 2006
08:08 <+ktechmidas> but yeah, absolutely pain in the ass
08:14 < mrWhiteMD> matty_r: does Intel Atom support VT-d ? I don't think so
08:14 <@Nostalg14c> COMAPI  - Updates found = 713
08:14 <@Nostalg14c> hm.
08:14 < matty_r> mrWhiteMD: it supports VT-x
08:15 < mrWhiteMD> matty_r: ESXi will not run 100% but you can run KVM or XEN
08:16 <+ktechmidas> I think I've seen a few KVM hosts running Atom
08:16 < matty_r> ESXi supports Atom CPUs
08:17 < mrWhiteMD> never had this luck to succesful install esxi to desktop
08:17 < matty_r> huh?
08:18 < Hunterkll> mrWhiteMD, KVM and Xen require VT-x now, VT-d doesn't matter unless you're doing device passthrough
08:18 < Hunterkll> also, I can confirm that ESXi 6 and 6.5 run fine on a Dell Latitude 6520 :)
08:18 < Hunterkll> which is like 2010/2011 vintage
08:19 < matty_r> what CPU is in that?
08:19 < Hunterkll> some like 2nd gen i5
08:19 < Hunterkll> has less capabilities than a current gen atom
08:19 < Hunterkll> lol
08:19 < matty_r> ha ha
08:19 < mrWhiteMD> strange, tried diferent desktop hardware, never succeed
08:19 < Hunterkll> i've never failed
08:20 < Hunterkll> maybe you just suck
08:20 < Hunterkll> :)
08:20 < mrWhiteMD> maybe))
08:20 < matty_r> I just think those super low TDP CPUs are going to be used more and more in the server environment
08:20 < Hunterkll> worst i've ever had was lack of NIC support
08:20 < Hunterkll> i've always gotten it installed and booted though
08:20 < mrWhiteMD> anyway ESXi sucks
08:20 < Hunterkll> Eh
08:20 < Hunterkll> it's one of the only 3 hypervisors i'll use
08:20 <@Nostalg14c> Hunterkll:
08:20 <@Nostalg14c> link tattoo
08:21 < matty_r> ESXi does not suck ha ha
08:21 < Hunterkll> ESXi for compatibility, Hyper-V for performance, Xen (Specifically citrix Xenserver) for hard resource allocation
08:21 < Hunterkll> also ESXi for fault tolerant (not HA - that's different) VMs
08:21 < Hunterkll> Hyper-V can't hit that yet
08:21 < matty_r> Eh - all of my work involves ESXi so thats what I use
08:22 < mrWhiteMD> i did more interesting stuff on KVM
08:22 < Hunterkll> i'm a slut. i use whatever works   best
08:22 < matty_r> well thats true
08:22 < mrWhiteMD> and it's free
08:22 < Hunterkll> so's hyper-v
08:22 < matty_r> right now i'm trying to build a new white box server with the biggest bang for my buck
08:22 < Hunterkll> and it has almost all the pay-for vSphere features
08:22 < matty_r> ESXi has a free version as well
08:22 < matty_r> ESXi 6+ is great
08:22 < Hunterkll> yea but it's crippled AF
08:23 < matty_r> not really
08:23 < matty_r> not for standard use
08:23 < Hunterkll> matty_r, storage vmotion? vsan?
08:23 < humpaxx> Good morning
08:23 < matty_r> those are enterprise features. Yes.
08:23 < Hunterkll> you get that in free hyper-v
08:23 < matty_r> ha ha
08:23 < Hunterkll> and network virtualization, e tc
08:23 < matty_r> It's still free
08:23 < matty_r> and if you're just wanting to spin up a VM, then its the same
08:23 < Hunterkll> Nostalg14c, shitty pic but https://i.imgur.com/EX3caKt.jpg
08:23 <+layer-eight> * Hunterkll →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 2 days ago → 1080x1920 → ⚘ 23
08:24 < Hunterkll> matty_r, not if you're using local storage - hyper-v SPANKS ESXi  in local storage performance ... and vCPU density
08:24 < matty_r> esxi 6+ has a web gui out of the box now
08:24 < matty_r> I didn't say the free version was better. It just works well
08:25 < Hunterkll> it works. that's the best i can say for it
08:25 < Hunterkll> i'll take hyper-v over it for many reasons, performance included, any day of the week
08:25 < Hunterkll> unless i need to run shit like NT 3.51 or OS/2 Warp 3
08:25 < Hunterkll> ESXi is king there
08:26 < matty_r> Yea, you're right. ESXi is better for compatibility
08:26 < matty_r> Windows/Linux/.. whatever
08:26 < Hunterkll> anything from windows 2000 and up or any linux/unix from 2002 or newer is fine on hyper-v
08:26 < Hunterkll> most of my home VM farm is solaris VMs on hyper-v
08:26 < Hunterkll> lol
08:26 < matty_r> thats cool
08:27 < matty_r> I haven't played much with Hyper-V
08:27 < Hunterkll> I could squeeze an extra  5-10 vms per host using hyper-v
08:27 < Hunterkll> vs esxi
08:27 < mrWhiteMD> everyone is so exited about ESXi, and never tried others ))
08:27 < matty_r> I tried Proxmox once. Didn't really like it
08:27 < matty_r> I didn't say I didn't try the others
08:27 < mrWhiteMD> tried all the shit
08:28 < mrWhiteMD> in my opinion pure linux with KVM is more interesting and versatile
08:28 < matty_r> I wonder if it would be worth moving across to Hyper-V
08:28 < mrWhiteMD> Hyper-V worst one )
08:28 < Hunterkll> hah
08:28 < Hunterkll> we have a pure linux shop
08:28 < Hunterkll> for one of our contracts
08:29 < matty_r> wtf are you on about mrWhiteMD
08:29 < Hunterkll> they switched to hyper-v for virutalization and two windows VMs to run AD
08:29 < Hunterkll> for performance and ez mode centralized  sso/kerberos
08:30 < matty_r> I was under the impression you had to run Windows Server to get Hyper-V up
08:30 < matty_r> as in baremetal install
08:30 < Hunterkll> matty_r, yes, ish
08:31 < Hunterkll> matty_r, hyper-v is a tier-1 hypervisor. windows is running as the control OS - while virutalized - like Xen's dom0 VM
08:31 < matty_r> Windows Server Core?
08:31 < Hunterkll> so literally even my home desktop is a VM
08:31 < Hunterkll> actually, two VMs, since i have credential guard configured
08:32 < matty_r> Thats what puts me off a bit. I like the baremetal install of ESXi
08:32 < Hunterkll> ESXi functions the same way
08:32 < Hunterkll> it has a dom0-style control VM on top of vmkernel
08:33 < matty_r> Windows server is  pretty heaavy thhough
08:33 < Hunterkll> no worse than ESXi or regular Linux these days
08:34 < matty_r> I find that hard to believe
08:34 < Hunterkll> I think my hyper-v host uses only 200MB ram and almost no CPU with zero VMs running
08:34 < Hunterkll> lol
08:34 < Hunterkll> hell, my windows AD domain controllers only use ~450MB ram right now
08:34 < Hunterkll> and that's for a site serving 500 users
08:35 < matty_r> what
08:35 < matty_r> I don't believe you
08:35  * Hunterkll wanks
08:35 < matty_r> ...
08:35 < matty_r> What is your Hyper-V host running then
08:36 < Hunterkll> matty_r, set the VM up with dynamic memory allocation and set the boot ram to 512MB with the minimum set to 64. it'll crank down
08:36 < humpaxx> If its running you better catch it
08:36 < humpaxx> hue hue hue
08:36 < Hunterkll> 2016 at home, going to upgrade soon to 2019 when it's lit
08:36 < Hunterkll> i use the GUI version at home
08:36 < Hunterkll> lol
08:37 < Hunterkll> work i've actually got 1709 hosts
08:37 < matty_r> Well obviously. Windows Core is just annoying
08:37 < Hunterkll> it's not at all
08:37 < matty_r> server core whatever
08:37 < Hunterkll> i just don't have the hardware to have non-hyperivsor DCs right now
08:37 < matty_r> It totally is
08:37 < Hunterkll> so i need to be able to get in and fuck with it
08:37 < Hunterkll> but otherwise i use server core for *everything*
08:37 < matty_r> Exactly. It's still annoying
08:37 < matty_r> some shit you can't even do without the gui ha ha
08:37 < Hunterkll> i actually gave a friend of mine an apple newton that still had my hand written notes for installing SQL 2014 for sharepoint on server core
08:37 < Hunterkll> not true
08:38 < Hunterkll> i know a lot of COM magic though
08:38 < Hunterkll> :)
08:38 < matty_r> bah.. thats a waste of time
08:38 < Hunterkll> at work we have like, 3000 servers or something for just internal stuff
08:38 < Hunterkll> we're pushing to get to the point where we don't log into servers and use pure automation
08:38 < Hunterkll> including shit like costpoint, oracle software, salesforce, okta, etc
08:38 < humpaxx> 3000 servers? wot
08:39 < Hunterkll> humpaxx, i mean we have like, 130k employees or some dumb shit and like  $35billion revenue annually
08:39 < matty_r> My point is - they've got powershell. THey should have everything easily accessible via that. Not use some COM magic
08:39 < Hunterkll> matty_r, the COM magic is through powershell
08:39 < Hunterkll> lol
08:39 < Hunterkll> wasn't possible in batch scripting etc
08:39 < matty_r> you can do the same shit in a cmd shell
08:39 < Hunterkll> nope
08:39 < matty_r> you're just handling it in powershell
08:40 < Hunterkll> i can't drop into pure C# in a batch script to interact directly with access on ways you really, really don't want to know about
08:40 < matty_r> yea so my original point still stands
08:41 < matty_r> it's annoying
08:41 < Hunterkll> it's just as annoying as doing the same things in linux
08:41 < Hunterkll> actually worse, since we had to write the utilities used in the script first
08:41 < matty_r> Depends on what you're doing
08:42 < matty_r> I agree powershell itself is better than using bash
08:43 < matty_r> When I tried Core it was a pain and I had to use the GUI
08:43 < Hunterkll> Why?
08:43 < Hunterkll> why'd you have to use the GUI?
08:43 < Hunterkll> Why didn't you just use powershell or RSAT from a remote workstation?
08:44 < Hunterkll> we're at the point in time where you should rarely if ever have to directly log into a windows server
08:44 < matty_r> There were no remote workstations
08:44 < matty_r> I can't remember what it was, but at the time there was no other way
08:44 < Hunterkll> tbh if it was before 2012 i could understand
08:45 < matty_r> it's possible. It was pretty early on when they introduced Core
08:46 < Hunterkll> 2008 was /almost/ useless, 2008 R2 was better, but 2012 was the first versino core really shined - and hyper-v as well, actually
08:46 < Hunterkll> 2012 hit ESXi 5 in feature parity
08:46 < Hunterkll> 2016 had virtual TPMs before ESXi did :P
08:46 < Hunterkll> I actually heckled some VMware reps over that at an internal company meetup / summit thingy
08:46 < Hunterkll> "When are you getting virtual TPMs and managable secure boot functions?"
08:46 < Hunterkll> "It's on the roadmap"
08:47 < Hunterkll> "Oh, well, microsoft has it right now, and with better performance from our benchmarks"
08:47 < Hunterkll> rekt
08:49 < Hunterkll> of course i was a dick about it and only asked questions i already knew the answer to
08:49 < Hunterkll> lol
08:55 < humpaxx> Hunterkll: thats impressive, i got 14 coworkers, two of them are moderately useful for helpdesk stuff and the rest is just coincounters and web developers
08:55 < Hunterkll> i think there's like 30-40 on my team for wintel admin alone
08:55 < Hunterkll> lol
08:55 < Hunterkll> I wear Solaris, Linux, and Windows hats though
08:59  * MikeSeth checks the jobs website to see the latest cropup of idiots
09:02 < humpaxx> ATP seemed quite mac focused after all
09:16 <@Nostalg14c> hmbored.
09:30 < humpaxx> Nostalg14c: You could write documentation for me if you got nothing to do
09:33 <@Nostalg14c> Nah dawg
09:33 < MikeSeth> well
09:33 < MikeSeth> a) connect speakers
09:33 < MikeSeth> b) set AC to 16 degrees celsius
09:33 < MikeSeth> c) listen to Wardruna
09:34 < MikeSeth> Wardruna. It's what's for dinner.
09:51 < mrWhiteMD> MikeSeth: feeling norwegian cold \m/
09:52 < humpaxx> mrWhiteMD: You´re in norway?
09:53 < mrWhiteMD> hell no )
09:55  * MikeSeth creates a "hacks" category in the wiki
09:55  * MikeSeth :-<
09:57 < humpaxx> > Hacks?
10:10 < mrWhiteMD> .yt HOME - Resonance
10:11 < mrWhiteMD> fuck, not working
10:11 < mrWhiteMD> a little bit of synthesizers ^^
10:11 < mrWhiteMD> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GW6sLrK40k
10:11 <+layer-eight> * mrWhiteMD →  YouTube → HOME - Resonance → ⚘ 30,484,664 ↑ 424,448 ↓ 6,097 ✍ 32,981
10:46 < MikeSeth> humpaxx: yeah, because they pile up
10:47 < MikeSeth> for example, $isp has garbage CPE that turns off the port when you plug it directly into the firewall, something stupid with link negotiation
10:47 < MikeSeth> so there's a cheap switch between it and the firewall
10:47 < MikeSeth> hack
10:48 < MikeSeth> Skype insists on downloading updates and run them on next start, which requires privilege elevation, so there's a logon script that removes the downloaded update and replaces it with a folder
10:48 < MikeSeth> hack
10:48 < MikeSeth> and so on
10:48 < humpaxx> Ah
11:04 < Hatsjoe> Morning
11:06 < HappyLoaf> Aloha
11:16 <+ktechmidas> Morning Hatsjoe
11:33 < Pebbles5> Hello guys
11:34 < mrWhiteMD> Hola
11:35 < _KaszpiR_> hey anyone uses Google Cloud in Finland? Looks like prices there are insanely low?
11:35 < Pebbles5> Isn't that a new location?
11:36 < _KaszpiR_> I think there is an issue with computation of montly prices
11:37 < _KaszpiR_> say given mysql instance montlhy is priced around 50 USD in eu, but in Finland is.. 0.0743 USD
11:37 < _KaszpiR_> :D
12:23 < estranger> Doot
12:48 < humpaxx> estranger: Doot like the skeleton?
12:48 < humpaxx> Thats a meme i havent seen in a while
12:49 < estranger> Oh God meme flashbacks
12:50 < humpaxx> estranger: bad ones or nam´ ones?
12:51 < estranger> Skeletons and trumpets.. pretty bad
12:52 < humpaxx> I dont even know what that meme was for or where it originated
12:52 < humpaxx> estranger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPpWInAiOg
12:52 <+layer-eight> * humpaxx →  YouTube → Doot - E1M1 [Knee-Deep in the Doot] → ⚘ 2,486,488 ↑ 57,846 ↓ 458 ✍ 4,122
12:55 < estranger> Please doot the needful
12:57 < Pebbles5> Ross
12:58 < humpaxx> estranger: please advise
13:01 < freelancerbob> need help to insert characters into mysql DB Ľľščťžýáíúudmila
13:01 < freelancerbob> it is always displayed as ??š??žýáíúudmila
13:04 < humpaxx> freelancerbob: Have you tried using UTF8?
13:05 < humpaxx> If some chars appear as ?? its problably the character encoding thingy thats wrong
13:05 < adamb> need to change the table endcoding to utf8mb4
13:05 < Pebbles5> Does Tesla sell cars in Sweden?
13:05 < humpaxx> Pebbles5: i dont know if they do but i know at least one person who has one
13:06 < humpaxx> Here in Västerås in sweden
13:06 < Pebbles5> I heard they are big in Norway?
13:06 < freelancerbob> humpaxx: i have tried everything :)
13:06 < freelancerbob> adamb: i have changed it
13:07 < adamb> how did you change it?
13:07 < adamb> alter table ... convert to ... set ...
13:07 < adamb> ?
13:08 < freelancerbob> adamb: yes seems like this right now ENGINE=InnoDB DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8mb4 COLLATE=utf8mb4_unicode_ci
13:08 < adamb> no, that's not it
13:08 < adamb> you need to alter the existing tables
13:08 < adamb> default just sets new tables
13:08 < freelancerbob> adamb: ALTER TABLE Persons CONVERT TO CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci;
13:09 < adamb> and at the data base level too?
13:09 < adamb> as that will affect the encoding used by the connection
13:11 < freelancerbob> adamb what you mean at the data base _ How ?
13:12 < adamb> alter database ... character set = ... collate = ...
13:14 < freelancerbob> ALTER DATABASE my_db_name CHARACTER SET utf8mb4 COLLATE utf8mb4_unicode_ci;
13:14 < adamb> if that checks out, you'll need to go through your schema and see if the right encoding is used per column, as it can be set independantly
13:14 < freelancerbob> yes
13:15 < adamb> https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/charset-column.html
13:15 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  MySQL :: MySQL 8.0 Reference Manual :: 10.3.5 Column Character Set and Collation
13:16 < freelancerbob> adamb here is my schema https://pastebin.com/4CjqaqDL
13:16 <+layer-eight> * freelancerbob →  DB - Pastebin.com
13:17 < adamb> if that still doesn't work, it's either the client doing the modification that's screwing up, or the client doing the reading that's screwing up - check things like the client isn't overriding the encoding with e.g. mysql_set_charset('latin1');
13:18 < adamb> or using an ancient version of a library
13:18 < adamb> if all that checks out... well you might have found yourself a bug
13:21 < humpaxx> Wow how did i miss this.. https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2018/05/15/meet-surface-hub-2/
13:21 <+layer-eight> * humpaxx →  Meet Surface Hub 2 - Microsoft Devices BlogMicrosoft Devices Blog
13:21 < humpaxx> This is going to revolutionise the way we think and work in ways we haven´t even begun to imagine
13:21 < humpaxx> This changes everything... Again
13:25 < freelancerbob> adamb i am using oracle SQL developer
13:25 < freelancerbob> maybe there is a bug
13:28 < mrWhiteMD> hey guys, do you have freenas machines ?
13:30 < Atro> no
13:31 < Atro> You know you're a workaholic when there's a direct ratio between technical evolution and personal life degradation
13:46 < estranger> Pebbles5: it's Russ damnit
13:48 < JFDkthx> estranger: GARBAGE DAY
13:48 < estranger> That was yesterday and I almost forgot
13:48  * JFDkthx shoots estranger anyway
13:48 < estranger> Lol
13:49 < estranger> My wife was like don't forget the garbage!! Last night, and I was like damnit why didn't JFDkthx remind me
13:49 < JFDkthx> i was on vacay
13:49 < estranger> You never sent out the request
13:51 < JFDkthx> cryptic1: approved it verbally
14:03 < Pebbles5> estranger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM1jqoqqr0
14:03 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  YouTube → Friends - Ross & Russ and Rachel → ⚘ 1,411,357 ↑ 7,322 ↓ 201 ✍ 312
14:04 < asimon> Good morning my friends
14:04 < ny0x> morning
14:04 < ny0x> my spam filter is failing so hard. I'm getting like 50 emails a day from "indian web design companies"
14:06 < asimon> Big Papa
14:06 < asimon> what are you doin
14:06 < asimon> https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628284744/papa-johns-founder-quits-as-chairman-after-using-the-n-word-during-conference-ca
14:06 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  Papa John's Founder Quits As Chairman After Using The N-Word During Conference Call : NPR
14:07 < Pebbles5> Well I guess he is old?
14:07 < asimon> and racist
14:07 < Pebbles5> Well back then they used to think it's "normal"
14:07 < Pebbles5> So yep racist
14:11 < asimon> Damn and my backup system is still grooming out the old backups 24 hours later
14:11 < asimon> this is nuts
14:14 < humpaxx> asimon: Are you trimming from a 5400rpm SHR drive over a 56k modem?
14:15 < asimon> humpaxx: Feels like it. We're on this ancient system that is pretty opaque in what is actually going on
14:16 < humpaxx> asimon: my condolences
14:16 < asimon> Much appreciated.
14:16 < estranger> Backups are optional.. more just a ceremonial thing we do
14:16 < humpaxx> estranger: Real men cry
14:28 < vavkamil> anybody experienced with nginx rate limiting?
14:31 <+giant_it_burrit> geez, yall are quiet today
14:32 < vinrock> LET'S GET THIS PARTY STARTED YOOOOO
14:32 < vinrock> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOH
14:32 < vinrock> yolo
14:35 <+giant_it_burrit> i hate you
14:35 <+giant_it_burrit> :D
14:36 < vinrock> sorry i cant hear you over all the OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ
14:36  * giant_it_burrit fistpumps
14:42 < Pebbles5> https://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-and-the-4-year-battle-to-have-google-to-treat-it-as-a-first-class-citizen/
14:42 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  Firefox and the 4-year battle to get Google to treat it as a first-class citizen | ZDNet
14:48 < JFDkthx> when firefox stops remoting installing ads i'll treat it like a real browser
14:48 < JFDkthx> remotely*
14:48 < Sousapro> vavkamil: quite a while ago
14:49 < Sousapro> vavkamil: what's up?
14:51 < vavkamil> Sousapro, well I'm reading documentation right now. I need to implement rate limiting, but the server is behind cloudflare, so right now I must restore original IP of visitor before I start
14:52 < JFDkthx> fack, the battery for my pager is dead
14:52 < JFDkthx> who the fuck has AAAs anymore
14:53 < vavkamil> who is using pager anymore?
14:53 < Sousapro> >Pager
14:53 < Alternity> real browser?  i only use lynx
14:53 < JFDkthx> Sousapro: took over the DCs gotta have pager for `emergencies`
14:53 < Alternity> lynx you say?  what a neophyte.  real hackers just wget and read the code
14:54 < JFDkthx> Alternity: u jest, i am using links to read a book at work
14:54 < Alternity> if it works it ain't stupid
14:54 < estranger> Pagers have guaranteed delivery
14:55 < Alternity> pagers are still very very common in medical
14:55 < Alternity> but fuck me if i'll carry one
14:55 < JFDkthx> it's super inconvienent
14:55 < JFDkthx> i can take it inside our vault tho
14:55 < JFDkthx> where i can have my cellphone
14:55 < JFDkthx> cant*
14:56 <+giant_it_burrit> JFDkthx: goodwin festival of speed
14:56 <+giant_it_burrit> so good
14:57 < Pebbles5> Firefox remotely installs ads? Since when?
14:57 < JFDkthx> they did an AR thing for hackerman2000
14:58 < JFDkthx> mr robot
14:58 < JFDkthx> this was right after ff55
14:58 < Pebbles5> Huh? Source?
14:58 < JFDkthx> and all of their 'we super cool and redisgned, come use our browser'
14:59 < JFDkthx> https://www.cnet.com/news/mozilla-backpedals-after-mr-robot-firefox-misstep/
14:59 <+layer-eight> * JFDkthx →  Firefox 'Mr. Robot' add-on triggers Mozilla backlash - CNET
15:00 < Pebbles5> Interesting, I didn't know about this.
15:01 < JFDkthx> ur whale cum.
15:01 < JFDkthx> im here for all anti ff info
15:03 < asimon> Ok maybe my backup service is actually doing what it says. Got 400GB freed up since yesterday
15:04 < asimon> s/400/600
15:04 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon] Ok maybe my backup service is actually doing what it says. Got 600GB freed up since yesterday
15:04 < asimon> I just can't trust it when it flashes the "Please wait" message for hours on end
15:04 < JFDkthx> if that number grows to 800 like it just did to 600, i would be worried
15:04 < asimon> I want more info
15:04 < asimon> lol
15:05 < JFDkthx> yeah bro dont worry, we're `backing up` your stuff
15:05 < JFDkthx> just wait a moment
15:05 < asimon> Just like protonmail is encrypting everything? https://protonmail.com/blog/april-2018/
15:05 <+layer-eight> * asimon →  Introducing Delete-Everything Verifiably Null Universally Lossy Logarithm Encryption - ProtonMail Blog
15:05 < JFDkthx> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9-SUS1j1vE
15:05 <+layer-eight> * JFDkthx →  YouTube → Just Wait a Moment Remix (Kitboga) → ⚘ 12,224 ↑ 603 ↓ 5 ✍ 68
15:06 < asimon> oh jeez
15:06 < JFDkthx> goddammit
15:06 < JFDkthx> This Websense category is filtered: General Email.
15:13 < Hatter> heh heh heh
15:17 <@JollyRgrs> hahahahahahaha
15:17  * JollyRgrs gasps for air
15:17 <@JollyRgrs> hahahahahahaha
15:18 < seventhshift> anyone have feelings on ethernet crimping tool sets?
15:18 < JFDkthx> seventhshift: dont buy a cabledog
15:20 < Hatter> JFDkthx: what about updog?
15:23 < MadCamel> prefer the downcat myself
15:24 <+ktechmidas> ... my friggin life... "Here's xxx,xxx in US dollars in crypto, please sell it"
15:24 < abakedapplepie> asimon: roflmao
15:24 <+ktechmidas> "You're aware there's not much liquidity in this one?" "Try not to dump it to the ground?"
15:24 < JFDkthx> ktechmidas: i can trade you in eqv garlic coin
15:25 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:25 <+ktechmidas> JFDkthx, I already got fucked by that one
15:25 <+ktechmidas> I ran the garlictipsbot
15:25 <+ktechmidas> on Reddit
15:25 < abakedapplepie> why
15:25 < abakedapplepie> also how do you get fucked by a memecoin
15:25 < abakedapplepie> its a memecoin
15:25 <+ktechmidas> I was bored, I wanted something to do
15:25 <+ktechmidas> so I created a bot
15:25 < JFDkthx> just wait
15:25 < JFDkthx> btc will take off again
15:25 < JFDkthx> and it will be like dogecoin
15:25 < JFDkthx> all over again
15:25 <+ktechmidas> yeah we don't have the time
15:26 <+ktechmidas> for that
15:26 < abakedapplepie> s/btc/bcc
15:26 <+layer-eight> [SED abakedapplepie/JFDkthx] bcc will take off again
15:26 < abakedapplepie> xD
15:26 <+ktechmidas> our comnpany is going bankrupt within the next few weeks
15:26 < JFDkthx> s/bcc/bbc
15:26 < abakedapplepie> ktechmidas: why
15:26 < darkscrypt>  good morning
15:26 <+ktechmidas> stupidly long story abakedapplepie
15:26 < abakedapplepie> what did you break man
15:26 <+ktechmidas> someone got hacked
15:26 < JFDkthx> ktechmidas: your company is invested in crypto?
15:26 <+ktechmidas> JFDkthx, we ARE crypto
15:26 < JFDkthx> oh
15:26 < JFDkthx> i bet it's ripple
15:26 < darkscrypt> you work for rsa?
15:26 < JFDkthx> are you ripple
15:27 < abakedapplepie> bitconneeeeeeect
15:27 < darkscrypt> mtgox
15:27 < FenJai> Why has BTC halved in the last 6 months ?
15:27 <+ktechmidas> Nope - wish so... so our boss got hacked... all funds taken... so now I'm using a blockchain fork
15:27 <+ktechmidas> that I managed to dig out with the old keys
15:27 < abakedapplepie> FenJai: the normies gave up on crypto
15:27 <+ktechmidas> to keep the whole company afloat
15:27 <+ktechmidas> :D
15:27 < Hatter> ktechmidas: do you think mnaybe your boss is fibbing and offloaded the money elsewhere?
15:27 < JFDkthx> FenJai: regulations, and no more price fixing
15:27 <+ktechmidas> Hatter, nah he got hacked... his whole family
15:27 < abakedapplepie> lol you guys had 6 figures of a forked coin just sitting there?
15:27 <+ktechmidas> we were a small part
15:27 <+ktechmidas> abakedapplepie, the boss created the crypto
15:28 < FenJai> isnt the main selling point of BTC is that its deregulated ?
15:28 < abakedapplepie> oh
15:28 <+ktechmidas> FenJai, not BTC
15:28 < JFDkthx> FenJai: yeah, but that is still taxable income
15:28 < MadCamel> ... would explain why he got haxed
15:28 < abakedapplepie> your boss sounds like a smart guy how bad was his security
15:28 < JFDkthx> or at least many countries see it that way
15:28 <+ktechmidas> abakedapplepie, fucking terrible
15:28 <+ktechmidas> seriously
15:28 < abakedapplepie> thats sad
15:28 <+ktechmidas> I could have hit him
15:28 <+ktechmidas> I warned him
15:28 <+ktechmidas> so much
15:29 <+ktechmidas> JFDkthx, we're gonna need a very good accountant
15:29 <+ktechmidas> who can balance this
15:29 <+ktechmidas> hacked vs forked
15:29 <+ktechmidas> thing
15:29 < JFDkthx> steal the coins
15:29 < JFDkthx> balme it on your hacked ceo
15:29 <+ktechmidas> "Where did that money go?" "Uh... Monero?"
15:29 < MadCamel> The keys that won't fit in my smartcard I keep on an airgapped apple ibook(powerpc) running openbsd. Not much in metasploit for that platform..
15:29 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: https://www.bancor.network/
15:30 <+ktechmidas> darkscrypt, just btokens?
15:30 <+ktechmidas> *tokens
15:31 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: no they were recently hacked.
15:31 <+ktechmidas> Ah no
15:31 <+ktechmidas> not us
15:31 < SpookyCrisp> Anybody using Server 2016 for RDS?
15:31 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: wallett containing all of their internal company funds was stolen. and they used a fork to recover a lot of the moneys
15:31 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: sounded familiar when you were talking about what you guys did.
15:31 <+ktechmidas> darkscrypt, yeah that's what we're doing... I'm sure a lot of other guys are doing the same
15:31 <+ktechmidas> only issue with this fork
15:32 < darkscrypt> https://www.ethnews.com/23-5-million-stolen-from-bancor-wallet-sparking-criticism
15:32 <+layer-eight> * darkscrypt →  $23.5 Million Stolen From Bancor Wallet, Sparking Criticism - ETHNews.com
15:32 <+AnonymooseReddtr> SpookyCrisp - i have a little?
15:32 <+ktechmidas> is there's not much liquidity
15:32 <+ktechmidas> or trading going on
15:32 <+ktechmidas> which sucks
15:32 <+ktechmidas> like how am I supposed to whale dump when no-one buys?!
15:32 <+ktechmidas> (if you said slowly, you win)
15:32 < SpookyCrisp> AnonymooseReddtr, I'm gonna say its better than 08R2 RDS, how is it working for you guys? I need to upgrade a 08 RDS server to 16
15:32 <+giant_it_burrit> i am SpookyCrisp
15:33 < darkscrypt> so they stole 10 million bnt... then bancor froze the network for BNT
15:33 < SpookyCrisp> giant_it_burrit, How is it? I'm working on upgrading our RDS servers
15:33 <+ktechmidas> darkscrypt, so essentially what happened to us was the boss left the crypto in 2016/2017... went on to start a lab of sorts which I'm in
15:33 <+giant_it_burrit> it works
15:33 <+ktechmidas> which he was funding
15:33 <+ktechmidas> so the actual core team weren't affected
15:33 < SpookyCrisp> giant_it_burrit, Any glaring issues that I should expect?
15:35 < bmurt> hmm
15:36 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: that makes sense.
15:36 < darkscrypt> ktechmidas: what kind of lab? did you guys get into breaking bad type of shit?
15:36 < darkscrypt> those kinds of labs can be really profitable I hear.
15:37 <+ktechmidas> darkscrypt, I should go into that
15:37 <+ktechmidas> but more "What will happen with crypto" kind of lab with data/modelling/hardware wallets and shit
15:37 < darkscrypt> if you need a business partner. i'm here for you. and I promise i won't lance vance you
15:37 <+ktechmidas> we never really got off the ground tbh
15:37 <+ktechmidas> but they pay my salary
15:37 <+ktechmidas> and it's double what I used to make
15:38 <+ktechmidas> and occasionally I get odd requests like "Dump this fork so we can pay salary in a few days"
15:38 <+ktechmidas> but I do miss the old sysadmin work :(
15:40 < abakedapplepie> ktechmidas whats your title there lol
15:40 < darkscrypt> they pay my celery
15:40 < darkscrypt> Chain Forker II
15:40 < abakedapplepie> lol
15:41 < MadCamel> I'm listening to someone trying to tell a "sysadmin" the difference between tcp and udp in the context of rsyslog. Shoot me.
15:42  * darkscrypt shoots MadCamel 
15:42 < darkscrypt> PEW PEW
15:42 < MadCamel> thanks
15:42  * darkscrypt makes an explodey noise
15:42 < syere> I was once yelled at by a VP, he was actually screaming, because I wanted to move to AWS and he called it "a fly by night service", and that I was obviously a moron for even suggesting such a thing
15:43 < MadCamel> wut.
15:43 < syere> I went to HR. HR trumps VP
15:43 < Hatter> syere: invite him here
15:43 < syere> He wont talk to me now or come within 100ft
15:43 <+voice> AWS has its own problems, like everyone putting their shit in the always-unstable US-EAST-1 and then freaking out when it does its thing
15:44 < syere> sure, but like you said everything has its problems
15:44 < Hatter> syere: he'll probably find some clever way to have you fired in <6 months
15:44 < syere> Hatter: I'm under a new department and VP now, he can't touch me
15:44 <+voice> famous last words :P
15:45 < syere> he's got no reach, and after I went to HR a bunch of other people did as well. He department is now floundering and is costing a crap ton of money. I dont think he has long
15:45 < darkscrypt> no i know... that i can't make you stayyy.. but where's your heart..... but where's your heart!
15:45 < squealingcode> OK, so my install.wim for my Windows installation is oversized by approx 200MB. I've tried reading through the resources, but the compress commands I've found does not work.
15:45 < squealingcode> How can I compress it further? Or is ESD a better compressed format?
15:46 < estranger> oops.. left caffeine running on my mac since yesterday afternoon... it was running while zipped up in my bag.  toasty warm!
15:46 < estranger> maybe it will die and ill have to get a 32gb mbp :<
15:48 < MadCamel> I never thought I'd actually want a mac
15:48 <+TuxedoJack> FUCKING A! Car note's paid off!
15:48 <+TuxedoJack> And three months ahead of when it was supposed to be done!
15:48 < Cihan> Apple MacBook Pro with Touch Bar updated with max 32 GB RAM!
15:48 < Cihan> https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2018/07/apple-updates-macbook-pro-with-faster-performance-and-new-features-for-pros/
15:48 <+layer-eight> * Cihan →  Apple updates MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros - Apple
15:49 < ShrimplyPibblesX> NEWS!: Apple just now released a MacBook pro with an intel core2duo... much fast, much wow
15:49 < MadCamel> my choices: extremely locked down managed windows system with no admin access.. Or a mac. No linux option even though that's what I do all my work on *sigh*
15:49 < ShrimplyPibblesX> if you have a choice, use virtualbox and drop some debian on it
15:49 <+voice> talk them into installing vmwareplayer and just fullscreen linux
15:50 < MadCamel> virtualbox is not a permitted application in this environment
15:50 < ShrimplyPibblesX> kvm kvm kvm
15:50 < MadCamel> same w/vmware etc etc
15:50 < ShrimplyPibblesX> run linux on your phone using busybox and then use VNC to connect o it
15:50 < MadCamel> heh phone can't connect to the same network
15:50 < ShrimplyPibblesX> <being facetious
15:51 < ShrimplyPibblesX> does the mac have root access?
15:51 < ShrimplyPibblesX> not really adherent to the domain
15:51 < ShrimplyPibblesX> maybe you can run linux commands in the terminal by adding libraries
15:51 < ShrimplyPibblesX> or you can virtualize
15:51 < ShrimplyPibblesX> I would say that's one of the only use cases where mac is permissible
15:51 < MadCamel> the mac is less locked down than the windows env. no admin access but no monitoring software to notify them of new admin accounts <_<
15:52 < JFDkthx> just hit enter a bunch
15:52 < ShrimplyPibblesX> I think you could even edit the EFI if you got enough access
15:52 < ShrimplyPibblesX> then you could do a sneaky dual boot scenario
15:52 <+voice> just yank a server from the server room and put it under your desk
15:52 < ShrimplyPibblesX> lol
15:52 < estranger> wtf 1.5gigs of MS Office updates to install?
15:52 < ShrimplyPibblesX> build a ryzen and glue it to the bottom of your chair
15:52 < JFDkthx> nice little seat warmer
15:52 < estranger> do they patch office like exchange? patch == full install or some shit?
15:53 < mcj> Office updates for Mac or Win?
15:53 < estranger> i dont care about the touchbar but id like 32gb in my mac
15:53 < estranger> Mac Office
15:53 < ShrimplyPibblesX> all I've got to say is that Microsoft programs are so inefficient for what they do
15:53 < mcj> On the Mac I think it's a full app replacement
15:53 < MadCamel> SOP for mac users in my dept is to root them . The trick is getting a mac. Takes months and a few handjobs. Orginization has >250,000 workstations. <500 macs to go around.
15:54 < estranger> i should setup a dedicated download box on the xfinitywifi network to stage all my patches etc... avoid my cap :)
15:55 < mcj> Duh
15:55 < syere> i thought that had a 50gb cap
15:55 < mcj> Actually the trick is to go wildly over your cap on both networks
15:55 < mcj> Then you call them and say why is the bill so high
15:56 < MadCamel> yup. Heck, their 1hr trial doesn't have a captcha, super easy to rotate mac addresses and automate the account-creation. Don't have comcast but I love seeing 'xfinitywifi' in that list when I'm traveling..
15:56 < syere> I switched to comcast business at my last house, got tired of the over cap charges
15:56 < mcj> While on the phone you tell them you're using the xfinitywifi only and that's it bc you thought that was your wifi name
15:56 <+ktechmidas> abakedapplepie my title doesn't actually exist
15:56 <+ktechmidas> much like my salary
15:56 <+ktechmidas> which also seemingly vanishes into nothing as the month goes on
15:57 < JFDkthx> F
15:57 <+ktechmidas> not only by bills, but also with the whole crypto market taking a dive
15:57 < MadCamel> invest it in cryptocurrencies, problem solved! ;)
15:57 <+ktechmidas> I get paid in cryptocurrencies
15:57 <+ktechmidas> which may or may not be legal
15:57 < MadCamel> heh
15:57 <+ktechmidas> I'm going to need one hell of an accountant when I go back to my home country...
15:57 < JFDkthx> to chiner?
15:57 < MadCamel> yeah that's going to be rough. I avoid touching my crypto for just that reason
15:57 < ShrimplyPibblesX> #sysadmin lyfe
15:58 < estranger> i do like havign access to xfinitywifi everywhere.. they are in a lot of places
15:58 <+ktechmidas> "Well ya see, it started when I joined this company that isn't really a company, paid me in crypto, then lost it all, so I got a large amount out with a fork and they paid me in BTC for a while"
15:58 < mcj> It's bullshit that it uses others home internet
15:58 < MadCamel> I mine altcoins all winter to keep my place warm. Sometimes it's not profitable but it usually pays for it's own electric use, so free heat.
15:58 < JFDkthx> thats only if u use their routers tho
15:59 <+ktechmidas> my accountant is just going to look at me like "... and how would you like to pay your inevitable fines and penalties?"
15:59 <+ktechmidas> "... in crypto?"
16:00 < MadCamel> if the currency's older than 2 years just say you mined it yourself in a pool. 15% long-term cap gains tax and that's it.
16:00 <+ktechmidas> well, if I'm out of the UK for 5 years (already been out for 4)
16:00 < estranger> my VR box mines while im not VRing... basically for shits and giggles
16:00 <+ktechmidas> then I don't have to pay for foreign income apparantly
16:00 < abakedapplepie> i cant believe i have to ask for help on this
16:00 < MadCamel> neat
16:01 < abakedapplepie> has anyone disabled PDFs opening in safari on OSX High sierra?
16:01 < abakedapplepie> what the fuck?
16:01 < abakedapplepie> i cant figure this out
16:01 < gromdom> lmao
16:01 <+ktechmidas> OSX is high
16:01 < estranger> abakedapplepie, hit esc a few times then :q!<enter> to quit v
16:01 < estranger> i
16:01 < mcj> Are you trying to set a different program as default?
16:01 < abakedapplepie> i just want it to pen in adobe reader
16:01 < mcj> Or, are you explicitly trying to deny Safari from opening PDFs at all
16:01 < abakedapplepie> the actual program
16:01 < mcj> Click on a PDF file, Command-I
16:01 < abakedapplepie> mcj: from the web
16:02 < mcj> Open with: Adobe Reader
16:02 < abakedapplepie> so i click on a .pdf link
16:02 < abakedapplepie> i want it to download not open
16:02 < estranger> it just works
16:02 < mcj> Adobe has a plug-in to enable the opening of PDF in browser
16:02 < mcj> Disable it in Preferences
16:02 < abakedapplepie> i did
16:02 < abakedapplepie> i disabled that, and the default viewer is adobe acrobat reader dc
16:03 < abakedapplepie> i also unchecked automatically open safe downloads
16:03 < abakedapplepie> its driving me nuts
16:03 < mcj> It's some Adobe shit
16:04 < estranger> Snowflake is on Azure now, neat
16:04 < mcj> There is another extension you have to block, I actually just tried it on my machine and Safari opens the PDF
16:04 < mcj> within the browser, but it's Adobe's doing
16:04 < mcj> It should just directly download
16:05 < mcj> abakedapplepie: Found this shit
16:05 < mcj> Preferences -> Websites -> uncheck that Adobe shit at the bottom
16:06 < abakedapplepie> yeah thats where i disabled the adobe plugin
16:06 < abakedapplepie> is there another spot to do that
16:06 < abakedapplepie> i dont have an adobe "extension" in extensions
16:06 < abakedapplepie> just the plugin under websites
16:07 < int0x1C8> nuke it from orbit
16:08 < mcj> abakedapplepie: Go to "/Library/Internet Plug-Ins"
16:08 < mcj> Delete Adobe, restart Safari
16:08 < mcj> Augh it's back!!!
16:08 < mcj> Hahahhahha
16:10 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:10 < abakedapplepie> the plugin didnt come back
16:10 < abakedapplepie> but pdfs are still opening in safari
16:10 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:11 < mcj> defaults write com.apple.Safari WebKitOmitPDFSupport -bool YES
16:11 < abakedapplepie> i saw that but it was in a post from 10+ years ago
16:12 < mcj> But it works lol
16:12 < abakedapplepie> i assumed it was no longer a valid switch but at this point ill try it
16:12 < abakedapplepie> ok
16:14 < abakedapplepie> yep that did it
16:14 < abakedapplepie> shocker
16:14 < mcj> I don't know if that only does it per user or system-wide
16:17 < abakedapplepie> that did it
16:17 < abakedapplepie> unbelievable
16:17 < abakedapplepie> un frickin believable
16:17 < abakedapplepie> how is that not a toggle in prefs
16:17 < abakedapplepie> mind boggling
16:17 < mcj> Some nerd in his room, just swiveled around in his swivel chair
16:18 < mcj> Aren't you glad I coded that in?
16:18 < mcj> He says
16:24 < coderphive> Aw
16:24 < coderphive> misspwn isn't here
16:24 < coderphive> That sucks dude
16:24 < coderphive> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/sextortion-scam-uses-recipients-hacked-passwords/
16:24 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Sextortion Scam Uses Recipient’s Hacked Passwords —  Krebs on Security
16:30 < ravioli> https://github.com/eslint/eslint-scope/issues/39
16:30 < ravioli> wowz
16:30 <+layer-eight> * ravioli →  GitHub → eslint → eslint-scope → eslint-scope: ECMAScript scope analyzer → @ ~ 21 days ago → JavaScript → ✡ 23 → Forks: 14 → ☹ 6
16:32 < humpaxx> My PC decided to semi-lock up on me while i was away for a few minutes, when i tried to wake it up the logon screen wouldn´t loada
16:33 < humpaxx> I had to force a reboot.. Typical thursday.
16:33 < silentfury-s4pro> use the force humpaxx
16:35 < estranger> Anyone ever use portworx with k8s?
16:35 < squealingcode> When using DISM to append an image, does anyone know how to add a name to that item? During installation/deployment the item is just blank/invisible, no name or description.
16:36 < squealingcode> I am using the /Name switch when appending.
16:38 < humpaxx> squealingcode: I was gonna suggest using the /name switch but if you are using it im not sure
16:38 < humpaxx> Can you paste what you type in the dism commandline window?
16:39 < squealingcode> Yeah, it's really weird. I got it working a while back, but I am not sure what I did back then lol.
16:39 < squealingcode> Sure
16:39 < narziss> im baaaaaaack.
16:39 < squealingcode> Dism /Append-Image /ImageFile:install.wim CaptureDir:mount /Name:"W10 custom"
16:39 < narziss> life pro tip: getting your bicycle across the street through a busy rush-hour crowd is easy. Just pretend they aren't there.
16:39 < squealingcode> Right now I am trying the /Description switch as well.
16:40 < squealingcode> narziss: It's easy up until the point where a driver pretends you're not there :D
16:40 < humpaxx> squealingcode: theres no / before CaptureDir?
16:40 < squealingcode> Sorry, that is a typo.
16:40 < squealingcode> I am using / in the actual command that I run.
16:41 < humpaxx> Dang i was hoping it was something easy :p
16:41 < squealingcode> :P
16:41 < squealingcode> btw, I may have forgotten, but is there no way to append an image directly to another? It has to be mounted first?
16:42 < humpaxx> squealingcode:  im looking at https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/append-a-volume-image-to-an-existing-image-using-dism--s14
16:42 <+layer-eight> * humpaxx →  Append, apply, and export volume images with a Windows Image (.wim) file | Microsoft Docs
16:43 < squealingcode> Thanks, yeah, I'm looking at the same article.
16:47 < humpaxx> squealingcode: Strange.
16:47 < humpaxx> Do something else for 10 minutes and then go back to the DISM issue
16:48 < humpaxx> Close all the windows you have open about it too so you don´t continue where you were
16:48 < humpaxx> A few minutes of away from the issue and a "fresh" look at it helps me many times
16:49 < misspwn> refreshu
16:50 < Nightcinder> hmm
16:50 < Nightcinder> someone tried to get into my gmail
16:50 < Nightcinder> i've never heard my phone make that kinda noise lol
16:50 < shanth> i was just testing
16:51 < Nightcinder> i love that it just says 'US'
16:51 < Nightcinder> and it's ipv6
16:51 < bermraj> Nightcinder: now you have to explain what noise
16:51 < Nightcinder> well it was on silent, it was just the way it vibrated
16:51 < Nightcinder> was far more intense and long than any other notification i've heard
16:51 < shanth> i almost guarantee you it's the Bulgarians
16:51 < abakedapplepie> those fucking bulgarians
16:51 < MikeSeth> shut up both of you
16:51 < Nightcinder> well the IP was USA
16:51 < MikeSeth> my office is in Bulgaria
16:51 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:52 < MikeSeth> a drunken man just barged into the HR room
16:52 < MikeSeth> apologizing for missing an interview
16:52 < abakedapplepie> wewlad
16:52 < MikeSeth> and begging to reschedule
16:52 < Nightcinder> We recently prevented a sign-in attempt from this device. You indicated this attempt as NOT yours and changed your password since. For your security, we'll continue to show this device in the list for two weeks. You can also review this event in your Notification & alerts page.
16:52 < abakedapplepie> mabe get your drinking under control first
16:52 < abakedapplepie> lol
16:52 < shanth> kinda cool how they change the password for ya
16:52 < MikeSeth> I fucking love Bulgaria
16:52 < abakedapplepie> i have 2fa on my google account now
16:52 < abakedapplepie> no fucks given
16:52 < MikeSeth> it's like riding a boat in the river of lulz
16:53 < abakedapplepie> but my ios mail app doesnt like the 2fa
16:53 < abakedapplepie> at all
16:53 < MikeSeth> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-rRREUntMQ4aDRDQjBqN0lIaHM
16:53 <+layer-eight> * MikeSeth →  ⚓  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rRREUntMQ4aDRDQjBqN0lIaHM/view?usp=drive_web → bgit lol.jpg - Google Drive
16:53 < MikeSeth> this is my standard explanation of the state of IT in Bulgaria
16:55 < JFDkthx> are you in bulgaria?
16:55 < MikeSeth> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-rRREUntMQ4TjVHUFVTVlU4Z3c/view?usp=sharing
16:55 <+layer-eight> * MikeSeth →  IMG_20170404_195605.jpg - Google Drive
16:55 < MikeSeth> this is normal
16:55 < MikeSeth> JFDkthx: I am
16:55 < JFDkthx> why
16:55 < MikeSeth> JFDkthx: because I'm a rich foreigner living the life of kings
16:56 < JFDkthx> but ur still in bulgaria
16:56 < MikeSeth> yes, it has its disadvantages
16:57 < Nightcinder> huh
16:57 < Nightcinder> that gmail account was already lastpassed
16:58 < Nightcinder> did hangouts just fail miserably for anyone else?
16:58 < Nightcinder> the page is barely even loading, the extension is broken too
17:00 < FenJai> Where can you download an enterprise iso of windows 7 ?
17:00 < shanth> we only use hangouts because this one guy we work with cant figure out how to install hipchat
17:00 < Nightcinder> working now
17:00 < Nightcinder> that was weird
17:03 < Sousapro> MikeSeth: lmao
17:03 < aName> FenJai: Uh... it used to be I'd say digitalriver but fuck if I know these days
17:03 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: it works for me right now
17:04 < Nightcinder> Sousapro: yeah it's working now
17:04 < Nightcinder> it just..stopped for like 5 minutes
17:04 < Sousapro> I blame Oracle
17:04 < Sousapro> not sure how it's their fault
17:04 < Sousapro> but it is
17:05 < ravioli> just gonna link this again in case anyone missed it: https://github.com/eslint/eslint-scope/issues/39
17:05 <+layer-eight> * ravioli →  GitHub → eslint → eslint-scope → eslint-scope: ECMAScript scope analyzer → @ ~ 21 days ago → JavaScript → ✡ 23 → Forks: 14 → ☹ 6
17:05 < Sousapro> War? Oracle. Users? Oracle. Java? Actually Oracle at this point
17:06 < asimon> Any recommendations for user file-level backup software? I'm gonna look into upgrading our on-prem solution
17:06 < silentfury-s4pro> commvault.
17:06 < MikeSeth> bareos
17:06  * MikeSeth waits for anger
17:07 < jelly> asimon: how many files, how many servers/machines, what kind of storage backend, what kind of budget?
17:07 < jelly> also, VMs or physical machines?
17:08 < asimon> about 45 physical machines
17:08 < silentfury-s4pro> ew physical
17:08 < asimon> Just looking for some names to look into so I can price things out
17:09 < asimon> I think our server backup is fine, but the user backups are just terrible to deal with
17:09 < dragonfleas> ugh
17:09 < dragonfleas> i asked last night to some of the night IRC guys, but I'll ask you guys
17:09 < coderphive> misspwn:
17:09 < coderphive> https://krebsonsecurity.com/2018/07/sextortion-scam-uses-recipients-hacked-passwords/
17:09 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  Sextortion Scam Uses Recipient’s Hacked Passwords —  Krebs on Security
17:10 < dragonfleas> What are some causes that delayed delivery of emails could be? I've eliminated that we are having issues sending email to anyone else but this one domain
17:10 < adamb> how often?
17:10 < asimon> dragonfleas: does this mean you didn't get fired the other day?
17:10 < dragonfleas> adamb, always now
17:10 < dragonfleas> happened out of nowhere, we were able to send email to them and now we aren't
17:10 <+A-KO> dragonfleas: Are you using on-premise mailsystems?
17:10 < dragonfleas> no recent config changes either
17:11 < dragonfleas> yes on-prem
17:11 < dragonfleas> exchange 2007
17:11 < Nightcinder> delayed delivery sounds like it's on their end
17:11 <+A-KO> analyze the agent logs on the exchange edge transport servers
17:11 <+A-KO> ^
17:11 < adamb> is the destination server accepting the mail?
17:11 < dragonfleas> I checked the message tracking logs, and I got no failure
17:11 < Nightcinder> it sounds like their queue depth is super high
17:11 < Nightcinder> like when i accidentally crashed exchange and it wasn't sending emails for 7 hours
17:11 < Nightcinder> or receiving
17:11  * Nightcinder whistles
17:11 < dragonfleas> yeah they're able to send us emails but we can't send them emails
17:12 < dragonfleas> so it's not that
17:12 <+A-KO> dragonfleas: it's not message tracking logs, it'd be the smtp agent logs
17:12 < Nightcinder> can you send them an email from your gmail?
17:12 < misspwn> coderphive: thanks for that link
17:12 < adamb> I mean, is the mail being queued on your side or is it being sent then delayed?
17:12 < dragonfleas> A-KO, really?
17:12 < coderphive> misspwn: np
17:12 < silentfury-s4pro> or their 3rd party spam filter is junking or delaying your emails
17:12 <+A-KO> I mean message tracking log is the place to start, but yeah. There are other logs to check.
17:12 <+A-KO> also
17:12 <+A-KO> move to O365
17:13 <+A-KO> get off of on-prem
17:13 < silentfury-s4pro> esp 2007
17:13 < silentfury-s4pro> that shit its old
17:13 <+A-KO> 2007 I don't think even gets security updates anymore
17:13 < silentfury-s4pro> that too.
17:13 < dragonfleas> AH I THINK I MAY KNOW WHY
17:13 < misspwn> i'm having a weird issue where  advertisement templates were (i think ) created in something else and then saved as a .docx. before migrating them from 2010 to 2016 in an RDS the files opened fine. now its all weird and the margins are off
17:13 < dragonfleas> IT'S THIS FUCKING ANCIENT send connector from 2003 that's still set up
17:13 < silentfury-s4pro> lol
17:13 < dragonfleas> this shit doesn't work in 2007
17:13 < dragonfleas> lmaoooo
17:13 < asimon> +1 dragonfleas
17:14 < misspwn> so now i'm having to essentially redesign them and they aren't looking so hot
17:14 < dragonfleas> we have a send connector to recipient.com
17:14 < dragonfleas> goddamn it
17:14 <+A-KO> well there you go
17:14 < dragonfleas> let me disable that and see if emails go through
17:14 <+A-KO> lol
17:14 < Sousapro> dragonfleas: doesn't that connector use smoke signals or ponies to send messages?
17:14 < misspwn> even put word 2010 on the rds and it looks the same so i'm not really sure if it's a me issue
17:15 < Nightcinder> A-KO: i
17:15 < Nightcinder> i'm workin on that at my own company
17:15 < Nightcinder> from 2013 to 365
17:15 < Nightcinder> it's a pain
17:15 < Nightcinder> we had an issue where our main IP was being marked as spam by spamhaus, but that appears to be resolved so maybe i can restart the move
17:15 < estranger> hosting email sucks sweaty balls
17:16 < silentfury-s4pro> hosting pbx is just as bad.
17:16 < estranger> email is worse
17:16 < dragonfleas> if I disable a send connector, does that take effect immediately?
17:16 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: at least you aren't doing 2010 to o365 via hybrid mode. I've heard that's terrible
17:16 < dragonfleas> or does it require some sort of propagation?
17:16 < Nightcinder> 2013 hybrid mode was a pain in the ass
17:16 < Sousapro> Nightcinder: I went from 2010->2016 at last org and told them good luck on the migration
17:17 < dragonfleas> Error 451, 4.4.0
17:17 < Pebbles5> Anyone use this Chromium builds? Are they trusted? https://chromium.woolyss.com/
17:17 < dragonfleas> you guys know that error?
17:18 <+layer-eight> * Pebbles5 →  Download latest stable Chromium binaries (64-bit and 32-bit)
17:19 < adamb> dragonfleas: Other or undefined network or routing status
17:19 < adamb> Something went wrong with the networking, but it is not clear what the problem is, or the problem cannot be well expressed with any of the other provided detail codes.
17:19 < silentfury-s4pro> dns
17:19 < dragonfleas> It says the primary target IP timed out
17:20 < arlion> Pebbles5: depending on which linux build you use, it's already in the repos
17:20 < arlion> and you can get it from github if you desire.
17:20 < adamb> The IANA list of SMTP error codes is here, just drop the first number: https://www.iana.org/assignments/smtp-enhanced-status-codes/smtp-enhanced-status-codes.xhtml
17:20 < arlion> https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
17:20 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) Enhanced Status Codes Registry
17:20 <+layer-eight> * arlion →  Download Chromium - The Chromium Projects
17:20 < dragonfleas> I don't think this send connector is the issue
17:20 < arlion> https://github.com/scheib/chromium-latest-linux
17:20 <+layer-eight> * arlion →  GitHub → scheib → chromium-latest-linux → Scripts to download and run the latest Linux build of Chromium. → @ ~ 2 months ago → Shell → ✡ 240 → Forks: 88 → ☹ 6
17:20 < silentfury-s4pro> have you tried the exchange connectivity tester?
17:20 < dragonfleas> We have these send connectors for a bunch of common people we email, why
17:20 < dragonfleas> like
17:20 < dragonfleas> @domain1.com
17:20 < dragonfleas> @domain3.com
17:20 < dragonfleas> @populardomain.com
17:20 < silentfury-s4pro> is your dns working
17:21 < dragonfleas> why do we have send connectors for them
17:21 < Pebbles5> arlion: not on Linux.
17:21 < dragonfleas> yeah i did an nslookup on public DNS and compared it to local and the IP is resolving the same for the FQDN
17:21 < adamb> dragonfleas: did a previous admin hard code the IP address into the send connector?
17:21 < dragonfleas> idk
17:21 < Sousapro> dragonfleas: I'm leaning towards they had no idea how email works
17:22 < adamb> and that IP address is no longer correct?
17:22 < dragonfleas> no it looks like it's using DNS
17:22 < adamb> k
17:22 < dragonfleas> it's not using IP
17:22 <+A-KO> firewall?
17:22 < adamb> could you just delete it?
17:22 < dragonfleas> looks like messages to them are getting stuck in our QUEUE
17:22 <+A-KO> network filtering?
17:22 < adamb> You're good at that ;)
17:22 < Sousapro> this is not best practices but I'd disable the hell out of those weird send connectors
17:22 <+A-KO> ^
17:22 <+A-KO> You really shouldn't have weird connectors like that
17:23 < estranger> unless you had special requirements to send to them.. ie always using SSL etc?
17:23 <+A-KO> ^
17:23 < dragonfleas> "421 4.4.1 Connection Timed out." Attempted failover to alternate host, but that did not succeed. Either there are no alternate hosts, or delivery failed to all alternate hosts
17:24 <+A-KO> check your firewalls?
17:24 < Sousapro> you've got to run it through a special connector so that all email to that domain gets donger ascii art inserted :P
17:24 < Sousapro> and by special connector, I mean transport rules
17:24 < ravioli> I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
17:24 < dragonfleas> That's what their email server is responding to our emails with
17:24 <+A-KO> dragonfleas: no
17:24 < JFDkthx> gnupluslinux:
17:24 < dragonfleas> A-KO, what do you mean no
17:24 < adamb> dragonfleas: not likely, that's a local error
17:24 <+A-KO> ^
17:24  * Sousapro threatens GNU/ravioli with regular bathing and throwing away his sandals
17:25 < dragonfleas> how would it be firewall if everything else is working
17:25 < dragonfleas> we're able to send email to everyone else
17:25 < estranger> freebsd's daemon mascot would destroy the linux penguin in a street match.. thats how I pick my OS
17:25 < dragonfleas> including the other weird send connectors
17:25 < adamb> the send connector must be extra weird or something
17:25 <+A-KO> I don't know, but I've seen common issues with people using weird ass layer 7 rules on mail
17:25 < adamb> run mxtoolbox against the domain
17:25 < adamb> https://mxtoolbox.com/
17:25 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  MX Lookup Tool - Check your DNS MX Records online - MxToolbox
17:26 < Sousapro> A-KO: that's always going to end in tears. I've never seen that end well
17:26 <+A-KO> lol Sousapro
17:26 < Sousapro> A-KO: this is why we can't have on-prem email anymore
17:26 < Sousapro> :P
17:26 < Pebbles5> estranger: by that logic, we should use GNU Hurd instead of BSD
17:26 <+A-KO> preeeeeeetttyy much, Sousapro
17:26 < dragonfleas> i ran mxtoolbox against their domain and it failed a bunch of shit
17:27 < Sousapro> alright, gonna go play with the prod SFTP server
17:27 < Sousapro> wish me luck lol
17:27 < adamb> best guess then, the send connector has had some assumptions implemented that are no longer correct
17:27 < Sousapro> I finished caffeinating but I feel like that's the wrong liquid
17:27 < estranger> Pebbles5, that bison or whatever looks like a fruitcake, no match for Chucks
17:27 <+A-KO> this shit is why nobody should run local mail anymore
17:27 <+A-KO> people fucking fail at internet
17:27 < dragonfleas> actually
17:27 <+A-KO> nobody
17:28 < dragonfleas> mxtoolbox gave me 4 mxthunder.net DNS names and IP's
17:28 < dragonfleas> so they have a spam filter
17:28 < dragonfleas> maybe they're being blocked at the spam filter?
17:28 <+A-KO> maybe your IPs are blacklisted? lolol
17:28 < dragonfleas> I checked and we aren't blacklisted
17:28 < dragonfleas> I already looked
17:28 < Sousapro> A-KO: I did well at $lastJob lol
17:29 <+A-KO> there's a bajillion lists (though most folks use spamhaus/etc). But could be.
17:29 < Sousapro> A-KO: I did EOP though on the front end
17:30 <+A-KO> Sousapro: The entire concept around SMTP/Mail delivery/etc is just something so arcane these days for most people that it's impossible to understand. The specifications are complicated, the technology is difficult. Everything about SMTP and even message formats is a PITA.
17:30 <+A-KO> and the average knowledge of "tech experts" is going down, even amongst the college educated
17:30 < dragonfleas> so the send connector is using address space SMTP:domainname:1
17:30 < Sousapro> A-KO: you don't have to have deep knowledge if it's magic :/
17:31 < dragonfleas> so it's connecting with SMTP traffic, and the cost is 1
17:31 < Sousapro> A-KO: I'm a little concerned about the brain drain that's been happening for the last 10 years or so
17:31 < abakedapplepie> everyone should hand deliver an email via smtp at least once
17:31 < abakedapplepie> imo
17:31 <+A-KO> yeah, it's REALLY bad Sousapro
17:31 <+A-KO> lol abakedapplepie
17:31 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: using telnet?
17:31 <+A-KO> been there
17:31 < abakedapplepie> yeah
17:31 <+A-KO> done that
17:31 < Sousapro> abakedapplepie: I've done that :D
17:31 < abakedapplepie> im srs
17:31 <+A-KO> I use it to test when people say "we aren't getting mail to our system!" via transport rules
17:31 < AnimalFarmPig> Just got an email from the client for the project I'm working on. "I think we should cancel today's and Friday's meetings. I am leaving for Croatia tonight to watch the WC final in Zagreb". Goddamn, I'm hella jealous.
17:32 < Sousapro> A-KO: same. I usually copy and paste though
17:32 < Sousapro> A-KO: no delete xD
17:32 < aName> A-KO: We should just all claim email stopped working one day and that we're doing something new
17:32 <@JollyRgrs> abakedapplepie: i'm assuming it would only help someone understand "what goes on" like a Mr. Rogers takes us to the crayon factory kind of "how does it work" thing
17:32 < abakedapplepie> JollyRgrs: yes
17:32 < abakedapplepie> thats what i mean
17:32 < aName> A-KO: We'd need a coordinated effort of all the sysadmins though
17:32 <+A-KO> aName: they're trying, honestly. Shit like Lync, Slack, MS Teams, Cisco's "Teams", etc.
17:32 < SynMonger> we're going back to fax machines
17:32 < Sousapro> A-KO: change the outlook icon to slack or hipchat lmao
17:32 < estranger> coderphive, ever mess w/ portworx?
17:32 <+A-KO> lol Sousapro
17:33 < SynMonger> everyone's down with that, right?
17:33 < AnimalFarmPig> A-KO: you mean WebEx Teams (tm)
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> Sousapro: april fool's is just around the corner :P
17:33 < dragonfleas> I'm doing a connectivity test
17:33 < Sousapro> SynMonger: I have to deal with production fax
17:33 < coderphive> estranger: negative, what is it?
17:33 < Sousapro> SynMonger: just no lmao
17:33 <+A-KO> Sousapro: I just love 'security experts' and mail. It's great. "MAIL IS  INSECURE!" < me: "No shit, it's by design."
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> MS Teams would reduce sooooo many emails
17:33 <@JollyRgrs> i hope it catches on here
17:33 < estranger> coderphive, some weird ass storage layer you can use with kubernetes (and other things)
17:34 <+A-KO> mail is never going to go away
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> nope
17:34 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: do not use Teams
17:34 <+A-KO> Slack/Teams/etc clients are too slow. It can be too complicated to use.
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: too late
17:34 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: I will not be your friend any more
17:34 <+A-KO> Mail is very, very nice
17:34 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: well
17:34 <+A-KO> it's fast, ubiquitous
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: we're a MSFT lover here
17:34 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: nice knowing you
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> why not use teams?
17:34 <+A-KO> organized well in mail clients
17:34 < AnimalFarmPig> I've been calling it Spark for the last year. We have projects with Spark in the name. Now Cisco has changed the name to WebEx Teams, and it's all fucked up. Project names like "Sparkbridge" were so nice. "WebExTeamsBridge"? No so much.
17:34 <+A-KO> I want to use Teams
17:34 <+A-KO> lol AnimalFarmPig yep
17:34 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: mail is not fast when sending from my cube to next and having go to through O365 and various security filters
17:35 <+A-KO> AnimalFarmPig: it's fucking stupid that they did that, but I know why. Likely MS will rebrand Teams as well
17:35 < coderphive> estranger: is it like Gluster or Ceph?
17:35 < adamb> inb4 Skype for Teams
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: my new role will involve me making sure all the countries i'm repsonsible for... adopt and use teams
17:35 <+A-KO> everyone's trying to get a piece of that slack pie
17:35 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: nice
17:35 < coderphive> inb4 teams for github
17:35 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, since Spark could start doing basically everything WebEx could, makes sense to merge things
17:35 <+A-KO> I still prefer webex over spark
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: that makes no sense
17:35 <+A-KO> spark fucking sucks for meeting management
17:35 < AnimalFarmPig> should have kept Spark and made WebEx into SparkMeetings
17:35 < SynMonger> MS BusinessUtilitarianTeamTeleconfrencing
17:35 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: exactly why it'll be a product
17:35 <@JollyRgrs> you might could have a [+] to add a github TAB in a team
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> yeah, I still use WebEx for meetings
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> that makes a lot of sense and would rock
17:36 < AnimalFarmPig> I'm purely talking about naming here
17:36 < adamb> Azure Meetings
17:36 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: You made me throw up on myself
17:36 <+A-KO> Microsoft NetMeeting for Business
17:36 <+A-KO> ^
17:36 <+A-KO> boom
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: now now now
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: hahahahaha
17:36 < estranger> coderphive, same-ish yeah
17:36 <@JollyRgrs> dang, i forgot about netmeeting
17:36 <+A-KO> hahaha
17:36 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: that's how you know I'm old af LOL
17:36 < SynMonger> FUFME Business
17:36 < coderphive> estranger: We migrated our stuff almost entirely to GKE
17:36 < estranger> portworx is designed to ahve data locality
17:37 < coderphive> estranger: oh, that's kinda cool
17:37 < estranger> ceph/gluster is just block storage right?
17:37 < coderphive> estranger: also, kind of anti-pattern-y
17:37 < estranger> coderphive, everything we do on kubernetes so far is an anti-pattern =)
17:37 <@JollyRgrs> SynMonger: i sell that as a SaaS
17:37 < coderphive> estranger: block storage immitation. I think AnimalFarmPig pointed out it operates a layer above block storage
17:38 < coderphive> It's quite close without being the real thing
17:38 < dragonfleas> I'm going to restart our email server
17:38 <+giant_it_burrit> JollyRgrs: what sell
17:38 <+giant_it_burrit> ?
17:38 < adamb> closer to ceph then
17:38 <+giant_it_burrit> dragonfleas: when was last down time
17:38 < estranger> portworx is meant for stuff like cassandra/kafka where you need the high speed low latency local IO
17:38 <@JollyRgrs> giant_it_burrit: FUFME
17:38 <+giant_it_burrit> watch out for yesterday
17:38 < estranger> but our libaio implementation seems to fucking kill it
17:40 < coderphive> I've gotta run to work
17:40 < dragonfleas> giant_it_burrit, what do you mean last down time?
17:40 < coderphive> I've been wiring up GCP and GKE all night
17:40 < coderphive> I have some interesting cost analysis to share with you all
17:40 <+giant_it_burrit> yes
17:40 < estranger> good stuff
17:40 < coderphive> Basically amounts to that running GKE with 7 nodes costs me $5 a day
17:41 < aName> google cloud platform and...
17:41  * adamb looks interested
17:41 < adamb> $5 per node? or $5 total
17:41 < coderphive> aName: Google Kubernetes Engine
17:41 < coderphive> adamb: total
17:41 < ExtraCrispy> Hello.
17:41 < coderphive> That's with ingress traffic
17:42 < aName> coderphive: Yeah, just googled it. Neat.
17:42 < adamb> HM
17:42 < adamb> how big are the nodes?
17:42 < coderphive> I'm beyond excited at this point
17:42 < ExtraCrispy> Would a remote sysadmin job work ok?
17:42 < adamb> CPU/RAM/Storage
17:42 < coderphive> adamb: their smallest nodes
17:42 < adamb> or is it undefined
17:42 < coderphive> hold on, I'll ss
17:42 <+A-KO> ultimately most of the industry is going to go back to VMs lol
17:43 <+A-KO> things like 'cloud scale' and containers only matter for a rather small portion of the internet tbh
17:43 < coderphive> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Z8t35EqO/Screenshot_20180712_104329.png
17:43 <+layer-eight> * coderphive →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 20,771 bytes
17:43 <+A-KO> ugh, taking anti-sneezing medicine--and sneezing
17:43 <+A-KO> gg
17:43 < adamb> currently spending $15/mo on digital ocean instances that are almost idle
17:43 < coderphive> A-KO: that's not true, but continue to try to predict that
17:44 < coderphive> You do know the technical reason containers are used, don't you?
17:44 <+A-KO> I know almost all of the reasons containers are used, many of whick are bunk shitty developers :D
17:44 <+A-KO> which*
17:44 < coderphive> Ah, so you don't know
17:44 < coderphive> Cool
17:45 <+A-KO> LOL, what's your reason now?
17:45 <+A-KO> let me guess
17:45 < coderphive> The technical reasoning is the lack of separation in the linux kernel, being that's a monolith
17:45 <+A-KO> "So we can push from dev to prod!"
17:45 < adamb> coderphive: you have to admit, a lot of shops use then as band aids for horrifically difficult build setups
17:45 < coderphive> That made namespaces especially hard to achieve, and further separation even more difficult
17:46 <+A-KO> Who cares about the linux kernel? Go one step further, go into Hyper-V where the containers are literally virtually isolated from each other's memory space
17:46 < coderphive> A-KO: that's correct, because microsoft's kernel is a micro-kernel
17:46 < coderphive> Are you done sounding dumb?
17:46 <+A-KO> That is most definitely far from the reason containers are being used.
17:46 < coderphive> because that'd be dope
17:46 <+A-KO> nobody gives a FUCK about the kernel setups when they're deciding on using container technology LOL
17:47 < coderphive> A-KO: that's the technical reason, as I explained
17:47 < adamb> NT is not a microkernel and I'll fite anyone who claims it's so
17:47 < coderphive> adamb: I don't think NT was
17:47 < coderphive> I believe they switched after NT
17:47 < coderphive> iirc
17:47 <+A-KO> dude
17:47 < adamb> No, it's a "hybrid microkernel"
17:47 <+A-KO> yeah, uh
17:47 < coderphive> That makes sense
17:47 <+A-KO> Windows 10 is still the NT kernel
17:48 < adamb> which is marketting bullshit for a macrokernel that has an executive
17:48 < coderphive> A-KO: there _are_ significant technical reasons for using containers
17:48 <+A-KO> there aren't, really.
17:48 <+A-KO> I mean
17:48 < coderphive> A-KO: whether companies know and understand them and are implementing the right solution for their software is different
17:48 <+A-KO> in some contexts, sure
17:48 < Casteil> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/why-gpu-pricing-will-drop-further,37444.html
17:48 <+layer-eight> * Casteil →  Why GPU Pricing Is About to Drop Even Further
17:49 < coderphive> That said, saying "most software" belongs in a VM is fundamentally false
17:49 < coderphive> and if you go look at the LXC & LXD projects you'll understand why
17:49 < coderphive> what real linux containers (not Docker) came from were more VM like
17:49 <+A-KO> yes, and Sun did it with zones beforehand
17:49 < coderphive> The reason they got slimmed down and limited was for distributed computing
17:50 < coderphive> Yeah, everything's been done before blah blah blah
17:50 <+A-KO> The concept is nothing new
17:50 < coderphive> cool
17:50 < coderphive> Glad we're over that part
17:50 < coderphive> Any other less-than-fruitful things you'd like to espouse?
17:50 <+A-KO> The reason why developers are attempting to use containers now is a promise land of simplifying code deployment between environments. Period.
17:50 < coderphive> Not at all
17:51 < coderphive> Maybe that's your experience
17:51 < coderphive> I won't invalidate your experience, but that's not the predominant reasons containers and container orchestration have taken off
17:51 < coderphive> fundamentally container orchestration is no different from VM orchestration
17:51 <+A-KO> It has precisely the predominant reason container orchestration has taken off.
17:51 < coderphive> so what your saying doesn't even close a logical loop
17:51 <+A-KO> is*
17:52 < coderphive> You continue to think that
17:52 <+A-KO> That's exactly my point, which is why the entire movement is stupid af :D
17:52 < seventhshift> Casteil, hnng
17:52 < seventhshift> I want GPUs to be cheaper
17:52 < seventhshift> my erection is straining for a GTX 1080
17:52 < coderphive> A-KO: you're wrong about why containers are used
17:52 < coderphive> It has nothing to do with orchestration
17:52 < Casteil> seventhshift: Yeah. Anyone paying attention to the crypto craze saw this coming when bitcoin tanked months ago
17:52 < coderphive> Good luck pitching that to any educated professional
17:53 < seventhshift> Casteil, yeah I've been reading predictions on this since li,e February
17:53 < coderphive> I hope they call you on pushing a bunch of BS just like I did
17:53 < Casteil> thing that ticks me off a bit is that Nvidia used the crypto craze to justify jacking up MSRP on the next gen cards
17:53 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: so.... Java
17:53 <+A-KO> The promise land, holy grail ability of containers is to declaratively design environments that can be quickly utilized to spin up N development environments, or move between environments as consistently as possible. That's the promise land. The whole "cloud scale" speed of execution thing is a close second, but that's not the primary reason I've seen being used in any place I've
17:53 <+A-KO> worked, largely because that specific argument falls flat for a vast majority of use cases.
17:53 < seventhshift> The shoe just hasn't quite dropped yet
17:53 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: oh god lol
17:53 <@JollyRgrs> aww man, buffer fail
17:53 < Casteil> so that the next gen 1070 equivalent is supposed to be priced like $50 more
17:53 <@JollyRgrs> Java is the promise land of "same code across the board" right?
17:54 < Casteil> seventhshift: It's in the process of doing so
17:54 < seventhshift> Yeah, but if no one buys them b/c they made too much, then they'll have to drop MSRP anyway
17:54 <@JollyRgrs> so containers are just Java next-gen
17:54 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs: which is exactly why I Fucking laugh LOL
17:54 < coderphive> JollyRgrs: actually, that's Go
17:54 < coderphive> ^_^
17:54 <+A-KO> coderphive: it was Java 10-15 years ago
17:54 <+A-KO> now it's Go lol
17:54 < coderphive> Native cross compile son
17:54 < seventhshift> I believe they announced that the other day, or someone accused them of that anyway; overstocked on GPU inventory
17:54 < adamb> JollyRgrs: "Ask Toolbar" on any OS
17:54 < coderphive> A-KO: it's a different methodology
17:54 < Casteil> retailers are always slow to adjust prices down in a surplus situation
17:54 < coderphive> A-KO: there is no associated "VM" in Go
17:54 <+A-KO> It is, but it's the same argument.
17:54 <+A-KO> it's the same holy grail
17:54 < coderphive> sigh
17:55 < Hatter> don't fight guys
17:55 < estranger> its kinda fun
17:55 < coderphive> What a joke
17:55 < Hatter> coderphive: you're being rude
17:55 < coderphive> This reminds me of when people get regressive about using OO automation
17:55 < Casteil> at any rate; 1070s and 1080s are much cheaper now than they were 1, 3 and 6 months ago
17:55 < Sousapro> A-KO: my problem is that inbox is slammed constantly by idiots who love to type emails and system alerts
17:55 < Sousapro> A-KO: email is dead to me and it's not the protocols fault
17:56 < syere> fucking hell. I want to find whoever signed off on this office's hvac solution and kick them directly in the nuts. How dumb does this shit sound. They pump out hot air on one side of the building and cold air on the other, claiming "it'll meet in the middle and fuse together throughout the floor"
17:56 < estranger> one guy is arguing "The side of a quarter has a head on it!" the other guy is yelling "WRONG. It has an EAGLE on it"
17:56 < Casteil> so yeah, 1070 msrp is $399, I think the next gen 1070 equivalent is expected to be priced at $449
17:56 < Casteil> (really tired of MSRP creep for GPUs)
17:56 <+A-KO> coderphive: I'm not against containers, but I think the reasons being used to deliver them is dubious. Firstly, almost nobody cares about the deeply technical reasons why containers may have come to fruition originally. Nobody. Maybe you're right, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that noobdy's caring about that.
17:56 <@Code_Man65> I bought a 1070ti two weeks ago for $419
17:56 <+A-KO> I'm a strong proponent of *trying* to make them work
17:56 < Sousapro> Casteil: because it prints magic sky money
17:57 <+A-KO> I've worked with multiple dev teams where I'm at today, every time, on containerization.
17:57 <+A-KO> I enthusiastically push every single time they come to me for assistance.
17:57 < Casteil> oh actually
17:57 < Casteil> expected MSRP for the 1170 is $499.
17:57 < coderphive> Look, you're not going to stick fucking wordpress in a container
17:57 <@Code_Man65> Yeah, but blizzard doesn't have scale issues A-KO :P
17:57 < coderphive> Can you? Sure
17:57 <+A-KO> LOL Code_Man65
17:57 < Sousapro> Containerization is an excuse to never update dependencies :/
17:57 < coderphive> Is it an attrocity, yes
17:57 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: WRONG! the side of a quarter has ridges on it
17:57 <+A-KO> Sousapro: ding ding lolol
17:57 < Casteil> no point speculating too much though
17:57 < Sousapro> Same version of OpenSSL forever sounds safe right?
17:57 < estranger> JollyRgrs, thats the edge you dick
17:57 <+A-KO> Sousapro: exactly
17:58 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: is that not a side?
17:58 <+A-KO> Sousapro: that was the other argument I've heard from highly paid developers, particularly outsourced ones (at previous company)
17:58 <+A-KO> Sousapro: I fucking laughed
17:58  * JollyRgrs presents a 3d cube to estranger
17:58 <@JollyRgrs> show me the side?
17:58 <@JollyRgrs> show me the edge
17:58  * adamb looks at his container host serving a wordpress blog
17:58 < adamb> err
17:58 < coderphive> How does containers = a lack of dependency management?
17:58 < coderphive> That's far from the truth
17:58 <@Code_Man65> JollyRgrs:  Do we need a quarter doll so you can show us where estranger touched your quarter?
17:58 < coderphive> If anything my dependencies are _more easily_ updated now
17:58 <+A-KO> coderphive: I don't know, but Docker didn't have a vulnerability scanner until 3 years after its introduction
17:58 < estranger> JollyRgrs, BABA BOOEY BABA BOOEY BABA BOOEY HOWARD STERNS PENIS
17:58 <+A-KO> :D
17:58 <+A-KO> and vuln scanner tools are still in their infancy atm
17:59 <+A-KO> for containers
17:59 < coderphive> And?
17:59 <+A-KO> exactly
17:59 < coderphive> I know some of the guys that develop Anchore
17:59 < coderphive> It takes time
17:59 < coderphive> If vuln scanning is what you rely on for a secure environment you have bigger problems
18:00 <+A-KO> UHM
18:00 <+A-KO> what? LOL
18:00 < estranger> I got 99 problems of vuln scanning my containers aint one
18:00 < alazare619> anyone have any great confluence templates
18:00 < adamb> https://www.mail-archive.com/python-committers@python.org/msg05628.html
18:00 < adamb> GvD has stepped down from python leadership
18:00 < estranger> the internet is a fad anyhow
18:00 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  [python-committers] Transfer of power
18:00 < coderphive> "vuln scanning is why I don't like containers"
18:00 < coderphive> what a joke
18:01 <@JollyRgrs> estranger: that's why my in-laws didn't buy AOL stock at the start when they could have
18:01 < adamb> s/GvD/GvR
18:01 <+layer-eight> [SED adamb] GvR has stepped down from python leadership
18:01 < dragonfleas> So even with the send connector disabled the mail doesn't route to them
18:01 <+A-KO> coderphive: From a lead h1b development engineer working on US government healthcare web apps (for HHS & CMS), the argument used to me regarding containers when they were first pushing the idea in 2013-2014 for me was "We can containerize Java so we can continue to use Java 6 while IT can update to Java 8 on the servers to satisfy security requirements." This isn't an unheard of thing
18:01 <+A-KO> and it's a common argument in the industry.
18:01 < dragonfleas> I can't fucking figure this out
18:01 < dragonfleas> I've been working on this since 8 pm yesterday
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> A-KO: oh, they wanted me to thinapp java soooo bad
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> it was a horrible solution
18:02 <+A-KO> LOL JollyRgrs
18:02 < coderphive> A-KO: you're piece mealing shitty arguments for using containers and abstracting them as a wide usecase
18:02 <@JollyRgrs> esp. since it was to use java in an IE website
18:02 < coderphive> A-KO: your perception is so off-center it's not even funny
18:02 <+A-KO> I'm not piecemealing shit. These are arguments I've seen in the industry.
18:02 < silentfury-s4pro> i would be arguing not to use java in general.
18:02 < estranger> coderphive, he is giving rasons hes not all in on containers and you are taking each reason as a penultimate reason
18:02 <+A-KO> JollyRgrs gets it LOL
18:03 < coderphive> "I saw this once, clearly it's an industry trend"
18:03 <+A-KO> they are industry trends
18:03 < coderphive> Cite it
18:03 < coderphive> I'll wait
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> coderphive: tbh, from my vantage point, it looks like you have all the right arguments from the theoretical side, but not a practical side
18:03 <@JollyRgrs> time for lunch!
18:03 < estranger> coderphive, also you can act a bit less of a dick even if you have strong opinions
18:03 < estranger> not sure if thats what you are going for but that is how its coming off
18:03 < dragonfleas> https://i.imgur.com/qTHSHup.png
18:03 <+layer-eight> * dragonfleas →  IMGUR Image → Image/png → a few seconds ago → 1150x75 → ⚘ 5
18:04 < coderphive> estranger: espousing "perception" as fact deserves a strong response
18:04 < dragonfleas> It's saying that the destination server is responding with that error
18:04 < estranger> perception is ones reality
18:04 < coderphive> Sure
18:04 < estranger> NAMASTE
18:04 < coderphive> The minute you go preach it to the world, you've changed order though
18:04 < adamb> dragonfleas: OH, well you never said the error message had quotes in it
18:04 < estranger> yer both preaching through
18:04 <+A-KO> I'm just merely pointing out what I've seen across forums, across working with multiple development teams across multiple industries and companies. I'm not saying containers are bad, I'm saying the reasons that they often cite make me laugh. I'm still personally in on slimming down OS host needs to run apps, or even analyze whether containers are the 'right' decision today for an app,
18:04 <+A-KO> or mix and matching.
18:04 <+A-KO> The arguments I've seen, however, are not convincing.
18:05 <+A-KO> theory be damned :D
18:05 < dragonfleas> adamb, what does that mean?
18:05 < coderphive> estranger: Everything I've said is based on facts
18:05 < coderphive> estranger: his is based on perception
18:05 < coderphive> estranger: and applying that perception to everything
18:05 < coderphive> estranger: falsely, I might add
18:05 < adamb> so 451 is a local error, but 421 is a remote error
18:05 < dragonfleas> ok so it's their server that's the problem?
18:05 < dragonfleas> their DNS incorrect?
18:06 < estranger> its not false that devs like containers for CI, its not false that there are security concerns unexplored w/ containers.. so.. yeah
18:06 < adamb> it sounds like you have
18:06 < adamb> server A -> server B -> server C
18:06 <+A-KO> yeah, these are VERY valid things
18:06 < estranger> I dont think either of you are wrong
18:06 < adamb> You =  A, Spam Filter = B, Destination = C
18:06 < adamb> B tries to relay the message to C, fails, and rejects
18:06 < coderphive> A-KO: I didn't say your concerns weren't valid. I don't like you claiming that's just the norm, because it's not.
18:07 < adamb> 421 is the error between B and C
18:07 < dragonfleas> adamb, ok so it's on their side, they said they tested emailing from their own test gmail account and it worked
18:07 < coderphive> I'm out
18:07 <+A-KO> containerization for CI is totally the norm lol
18:07 < estranger> why can YOU Define what is the norm based on your experiences, but he cannot define the norm based on his experiences ?
18:07 < adamb> dragonfleas: It sounds like it could be intermittent then
18:07 < adamb> maybe C is overloaded
18:08 < dragonfleas> I'm going to restart my exchange server just to be certain it's not some weird ass thing
18:08 < estranger> use containers when it makes sense for you... the end
18:08 < dragonfleas> I don't think I need to, but it hasn't been restarted in like 4 months
18:08 < ravioli> relevant xkcd: https://m.xkcd.com/1988/
18:08 <+layer-eight> * ravioli →  xkcd: Containers
18:08 < dragonfleas> I just emailed them from my gmail and it worked
18:08 < dragonfleas> they sent an email back that said "Got it!"
18:08 < dragonfleas> WTF
18:08 < dragonfleas> why can't we email them
18:10 < adamb> dragonfleas: https://www.cyberciti.biz/media/new/cms/2017/04/dns.jpg
18:10 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 77,691 bytes
18:10 < dragonfleas> I just checked to use external DNS settings on that send connector
18:10 < adamb> any possibility that you're seeting different dns records internally?
18:11 < adamb> if you have a linux box, run "dig +trace theirdomain.com mx"
18:11 < adamb> internally, and externally
18:12 < adamb> you can use e.g. "dig @8.8.8.8 +trace theirdomain.com mx" for the external check
18:12 < Nightcinder> lol
18:12 < Nightcinder> i just got a call from 'microsoft'
18:12 < Nightcinder> with a 701 area code
18:12 < Nightcinder> north dakota
18:13 < adamb> spoofed, no doubt
18:13 < Nightcinder> seems legit
18:13 < Nightcinder> i should answer it
18:13 < coderphive> estranger: none of my arguments have to do with experience
18:14 < coderphive> estranger: I argued that what he's saying doesn't apply to containers
18:14 < dragonfleas> adamb, i don't have linux
18:14 < adamb> I've decided the next time I get a "tech support call" I'm going to answer with "Hello this is Microsoft IT Support Team" and see if I can get *them* to install teamviewer
18:14 < coderphive> All the behaviors he described are bad behaviors those company can do in VM's
18:14 < adamb> dragonfleas: errrr, WSL?
18:14 < dragonfleas> adamb, also no, I've already checked out our DNS records, we have nothing for this domain in them
18:14 < coderphive> estranger: not a single thing to do with using containers at all
18:14 < ravioli> [12:07:04]  <coderphive>	I'm out
18:15 < coderphive> ravioli: I walked back by my computer
18:15 < adamb> coderphive: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
18:15 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 14,103 bytes
18:16 < adamb> dragonfleas: you're gonna be pissed when it turns out to be DNS :)
18:17 < adamb> hosts file?
18:17 < dragonfleas> i already did an NSLOOKUP internally and it resolved to the same IP
18:17 < dragonfleas> as google
18:17 < dragonfleas> google dns*
18:18 < estranger> coderphive, just givign my outsiders view of the conversation.. dont need to try and convince me of anything
18:18 < adamb> nslookup bypases hosts
18:18 < Sousapro> estranger: my only serious problem with containers and CI is what happens with them when the product is sunset
18:18 < ravioli> https://www.isitdns.com/
18:18 <+layer-eight> * ravioli →  IS IT DNS?
18:19 < estranger> you delete the server/cluster/etc from your orchestration layer and go back to playing fortnite
18:19 < Sousapro> Estranger: it requires Dev time regularly until the last container is deleted on that project.
18:19 < Sousapro> estranger: in a sane world, ++
18:20 < estranger> Sousapro, +1 we dont live in a sane world... agreeeeed
18:21 < Nightcinder> adamb: it actually was microsoft lol
18:21 < Nightcinder> i had just made some changes to our O365 environment and started a new trial about an hour before he called
18:22 < adamb> Sousapro: I saw a plugin for Foreman that allowed self destructing VM's/containers... you set a lifetime, and someone gets emailed with a "click a button or else"
18:22 < dragonfleas> adamb, nothing in hosts
18:22 < adamb> https://github.com/theforeman/foreman_expire_hosts
18:22 <+layer-eight> * adamb →  GitHub → theforeman → foreman_expire_hosts → Foreman plugin for limiting host lifetime → @ ~ a month ago → Ruby → ✡ 3 → Forks: 3 → ☹ 4
18:23 < dragonfleas> i'm about to hire a contract exchange admin to take care of this
18:24 < aName> dragonfleas: Some days I consider subcontracting my job lol
18:24 < aName> dragonfleas: But they'd fuck it up
18:25 < aName> There's so many gotchas in this env
18:25 < adamb> aName: You say gotchas, I say "Job Security"
18:25 < Nightcinder> i wish i could subcontract my job out
18:25 < estranger> ohs weet think i fixed my portworx problem :D my docker was just too old.  easy enough
18:26 < silentfury-s4pro> i'd just move your email to o365 or gapps
18:27 < aName> adamb: Oh yeah. My boss told me flat out it took six months to hire me and six months to get me up to speed - I'm here as long as I care to be lol
18:28 < aName> At what point can I consider calls from a collector harassment? Spectrum has called me fifteen times in two days, and I don't even owe that much - and the only reason I owe anything is because they keep fucking up auto billing
18:29 < dragonfleas> I just restarted my email server
18:29 < aName> I've had stalkers that were less persistent
18:29 < adamb> varies depending on state, but I'd imagine 15 times counts as too much
18:29 < vavkamil> man I love nginx
18:30 < vavkamil> never going back to apache
18:30 < adamb> question is, can you be bothered to persue it with $ombudsman
18:31 < aName> adamb: Honestly, yes. I've got a lot of free time and I'm very stubborn.
18:31 < Nightcinder> dragonfleas: what's the generating server on the delayed delivery
18:31 < aName> Also because fuck spectrum
18:32 < aName> I've been a customer on this network since it was Adelphia, back in the 90s
18:32 < adamb> hit up /r/legaladvice then, they should be able to point you at whatever agency you need to report them to
18:32 < aName> Spectrum comes around and it went to shit
18:32 < aName> I get like a fifth the promised bandwidth, to say nothing of latency and jitter
18:32 < aName> They're actually being sued by the AG of NYS
18:33 < aName> Oh. Wow. Apparently, it only applies to debt collectors, not a company collecting a debt.
18:33 < aName> If the distinction makes sense.
18:34 < dragonfleas> Nightcinder, how do I see that?
18:34 < aName> (eg, spectrum still holds the debt so I guess it's OK to call me every half hour)
18:34 < Nightcinder> dragonfleas: when they get delayed delivery, is it an email they're receiving?
18:34 < Nightcinder> i.e. is the mail delivery system sending them an email saying 'delivery delayed'
18:34 < aName> It's like a hundred dollars, too.
18:35 < dragonfleas> No it's us getting the email
18:35 < Nightcinder> yes that's how that works
18:35 < Nightcinder> but did you read the email
18:35 < Nightcinder> it should say what server is generating the error
18:40 < dragonfleas> now the queue viewer is giving me an exception error WTF
18:40 < dragonfleas> jesus fucking christ
18:43 < dragonfleas> it says i don't have permission to view the QUEUE
18:43 < dragonfleas> WHY
18:43 < dragonfleas> I JUST HAD PERMISSION
18:44 < dragonfleas> Nightcinder, it says the primary target IP is returning an error to us
18:44 < dragonfleas> it's responding with an error
18:44 < Nightcinder> have yout ried emailing these folks
18:44 < Nightcinder> from your own email
18:44 < Nightcinder> noncompany
18:44 < fuhry> https://img.fuhry.com/screenshot9oc5.png
18:44 <+layer-eight> * fuhry →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 30,306 bytes
18:44 < fuhry> I think you guys will enjoy that
18:45 < dragonfleas> Nightcinder, yes it works
18:45 < dragonfleas> which makes me think their spam filter has blocked us
18:45 < fuhry> showed up in a helpdesk ticket today, verbatim
18:46 < JFDkthx> fuhry: blocked. whats the text
18:47 < adamb> fuhry: 10/10
18:47 < fuhry> JFDkthx: "When it goes to 2fa it says my phones name is "I Eat Ass" this is not my phones name. Can you please assist."
18:47 < JFDkthx> haha
18:48 < fuhry> "Status: Resolved        Resolution: OP needs new friends"
18:48 < thecliguy> Why does his phone need a name?
18:49 < fuhry> it probably feels a deep psychological need to be important? /shrug
18:50 < dragonfleas> LOL THIS IS THE SPAM FILTER THEY ARE USING
18:50 < dragonfleas> https://www.spamraptor.com/
18:50 <+layer-eight> * dragonfleas →  How To Stop Junk Mail, Block Unwanted Emails, Stop Spam Emails
18:50 < dragonfleas> this website looks fucking atrocious
18:50 < adamb> idk looks legit to me
18:50 < fuhry> LOL WUT
18:51 < fuhry> that has to be a joke
18:51 < adamb> fuhry: it's always great when pranks result in a helpdesk ticket
18:51 < ravioli> wow
18:51 < adamb> I've seen a user complaining that their Z key types an A and their A key types a Z
18:51 < ravioli> scroll to the bottom of that page and click the afterdarkgrafx link
18:51 < onenerdyguy> so have we doing today
18:52 < dragonfleas> I just sent them detailed instructions on how to whitelist us
18:52 < dragonfleas> They don't even have an IT person
18:52 < dragonfleas> their operations manager does all the IT stuff
18:52 < dragonfleas> he said he was confused on what I meant by whitelist....
18:52 < dragonfleas> guarantee that shit is blocking us
18:52 < adamb> "Looks great on any device" Looks like it's being viewed through frosted glass on my retina iMac
18:52 < fuhry> following the initial launch of our giant LED wall we had a string of like 3-4 unusually dark, cloudy days
18:53 < ravioli> adamb: now make the window narrower
18:53 < ravioli> as in, resize your browser window horizontally
18:53 < ravioli> "looks great on any device"
18:53 < adamb> Oh right
18:53 < adamb> well now it looks like I'm viewing it from a mile away
18:53 < fuhry> I opened a helpdesk ticket complaining that atmospheric brightness was below normal levels, and suggested the LED wall as the cause
18:54 < fuhry> Ops was not amused, and my ticket was summarily closed
18:54 < adamb> Being mean to the helpdesk is fun too
18:55 < adamb> One of our offices had a "rodent infestation"
18:55 < adamb> So I emailed corp. IT and asked if they had a spare mouse.
18:55 < adamb> They didn't even reply, just closed the ticket :(
18:55 < fuhry> oh snap
18:55 < fuhry> got eem
18:55 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ROFL
18:55 <+AnonymooseReddtr> no mouse for you
18:57 < Nightcinder> 7/12/2018 4:24:06 PM [BL0PR12MB2547] A corrupted item was encountered: Folder rule "Inbox" o365 migration
18:59 < vavkamil> would you rather use fail2ban or rate limiting instead of reCaptcha on login/register form?
18:59 < adamb> fail2ban is great until it starts using 10GB or RAM
19:00 < adamb> they might have fixed that bug though
19:00 < ThatOneRoadie> Brutal Murder https://youtu.be/vRLev7AYi4Q
19:00 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  ⚓  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRLev7AYi4Q&feature=youtu.be → YouTube → RIP Drives → ⚘ 8 ↑ 0 ↓ 0 ✍ 0
19:00 < thecliguy> I'd rather use fail2ban.
19:02 < Casteil> ...
19:03 < vavkamil> I will keep recaptcha for now and will consider fail2ban
19:03 < Casteil> user requests a dump of customer information, I supply dump of said customer information, user complains that sorting/filtering list would "take forever" and requests I do it for them
19:03 <+DrGibby|> I prefer pfsense
19:04 < Casteil> ...motherfucker there's a column you can filter on, I'm not doing your god damn job for you
19:05 < ThatOneRoadie> Hard working man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHcu5iCOq5U
19:05 <+layer-eight> * ThatOneRoadie →  YouTube → John Wick - 9 to 5 → ⚘ 80,218 ↑ 4,497 ↓ 28 ✍ 259
19:05 < felda> DrGibby| is a certified firewall doctor who recommends pfsense
19:05 <+DrGibby|> indeed
19:06 <+DrGibby|> you can put that on your website felda
19:06 <+DrGibby|> speaking of which
19:06 < felda> I know I know
19:06 <+DrGibby|> y no felda.io
19:06 < felda> I just got my Dell R710 at home
19:06 < adamb> "I have haemorro..." "pfsense."
19:06 <+DrGibby|> I miss the music
19:06 < felda> I'm slapping Server Hyper-v 2016 on it
19:06 < felda> then I gotta do a pfsense VM for my home firewall
19:07 < felda> then you'll get the Ubuntu VM for self hosting felda.io
19:07 <+DrGibby|> pls do the needful
19:18 < hxcsp> felda: pfsense vm?
19:19 < hxcsp> pfsense deserves the whole server
19:19 < hxcsp> do it
19:19 < felda> it's either a VM on my Dell R710 or it can run on my old low power high heat AMD
19:22 <+ktechmidas> so I end up on a Chinese article that says "我们直接从gayhub clone下代码" essentially download from "gayhub" - I was wondering wtf, then they have this further down: git clone https://github.com/shadowsocksr-backup/shadowsocksr-libev.git
19:22 <+layer-eight> * ktechmidas →  ⚓  https://github.com/shadowsocksr-backup/shadowsocksr-libev → GitHub - shadowsocksr-backup/shadowsocksr-libev: libev port of ShadowsocksR
19:22 <+ktechmidas> I was like "I really don't want to search for that, that can't be right"
19:23 < adamb> can't run pfsense in a container, checkmate
19:24 <+DrGibby|> you're not trying hard enough, then
19:25 < JFDkthx> nothing like an oracle server to force me to use a fucking console cable
19:25 < JFDkthx> fucking piece of shit
19:26 <+DrGibby|> make sure those pins are correct!
19:26 < JFDkthx> RTS DTR TX GROUND GROUND RXD DCD CTS
19:26 < JFDkthx> txd
19:27 < JFDkthx> root///sun123
19:29 < technonerd> Ssh root@jfdkthx
19:29 < JFDkthx> -bash: Ssh: command not found
19:29 < JFDkthx> you fool!
19:30 <@JollyRgrs> 'you fool!': command not found
19:30 <+DrGibby|> rm -rf /
19:31 < JFDkthx> get-person -type fool
19:32 < JFDkthx> is that even correct PoSH
19:32 < JFDkthx> JollyRgrs: please advise
19:32 <@JollyRgrs> eh... i'd have to know what  the cmdlet's parameters are
19:32 <@JollyRgrs> but doesn't seem very right
19:32 < technonerd> It's Super sh
19:32 < JFDkthx> JollyRgrs: thanks for input
19:32 <@JollyRgrs> np
19:33 < JFDkthx> i will revise and resend
19:33 < asimon> is PoSH the shorthand for powershell
19:33 <@JollyRgrs> get-person |? {$_.type -eq "fool"}
19:33 < JFDkthx> no its the shorthand for pricks obsfucating shitty h-somethings
19:33 < JFDkthx> cant thinkg of h words
19:34 < adamb> o = orchestrating
19:34 < adamb> h = hyperv
19:34 < technonerd> Penis over serial h?
19:34  * asimon yikes
19:35 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: bad form, but yes
19:35 <@JollyRgrs> should just be PS
19:35 < asimon> that what ive always seen
19:36 < asimon> but i kinda like posh
19:36 < int0x1C8> just bought a pdq deploy license
19:36 < int0x1C8> so worth
19:36 < estranger> i dont like "PoSH" .. looks wrong
19:36 < vinrock> im probably gona toss em some cashola too
19:36 < asimon> +5 int0x1C8
19:36 < vinrock> <3 pdq
19:36 < asimon> You can do some tricky stuff with pdq too
19:37 < int0x1C8> people who call powershell 'posh' make me cringe
19:37 < estranger> it so not a posh language
19:37 < asimon> Part of our solidworks deployment was installing the correct graphics driver based on OS and computer model
19:37 < int0x1C8> immediately makes me think of posh spice
19:37 < asimon> it was breeze with deploy/inventory
19:38 < int0x1C8> yeah, the powershell/batch stuff you can do gets pretty powerful
19:39 < int0x1C8> I'm doing a deployment right now upgrading everyone to office 2013, except we need to keep whatever version of access is there
19:39 <+AnonymooseReddtr> ... office 2013?
19:40 <+AnonymooseReddtr> you know thats old news right
19:40 < int0x1C8> so I used the office customization tool, made the install config file, and wrote a ps script that runs before that to take care of any of the problems I ran into
19:40 < int0x1C8> yes
19:40 < int0x1C8> we know
19:40 < asimon> AnonymooseReddtr: Only one version old on MS time
19:40 < int0x1C8> we have people still using 2007 ...
19:41 <+AnonymooseReddtr> 2019 is right around the corner though
19:41 < squealingcode> I used 2007 up until six months ago lol
19:41 < aName> int0x1C8: She's such a bitch, though
19:42 < squealingcode> The best Office suite in my opinion, but 365/2016 is not far behind.
19:49 < int0x1C8> who's a bitch, now?
19:51 < squealingcode> idk, who is?
19:51 < aName> int0x1C8: My bad, I was thinking of Mel B
19:51 <+DrGibby|> does he look like a bitch?
19:52 < int0x1C8> yes, he looks like a bitch
19:52 <+DrGibby|> :O
19:52 < int0x1C8> aName, wtf are you talking about
19:52 < int0x1C8> oh
19:52 < int0x1C8> I'm dumb
19:52 < int0x1C8> I mentioned posh spice
19:53 < squealingcode> humpaxx: Remember me from a few hours back, lol? /Description switch worked *thumbsup*
19:59 < Jonny_> Does anyone have experience using PGP encryption with php?
20:01 < vinrock> (1:51:55 PM) aName: int0x1C8: My bad, I was thinking of Mel B
20:01 < vinrock> yo i would destroy dat ass
20:01 < vinrock> DESTROY
20:02 < _KaszpiR_> https://store.steampowered.com/app/365450/Hacknet/ meanwhile, free
20:02 <+layer-eight> * _KaszpiR_ →  Hacknet on Steam
20:03 < dragonfleas> adamb, Nightcinder, it was our clients spam filter blocking our domain
20:03 < dragonfleas> fucking idiots
20:03 < dragonfleas> not you guys
20:03 < dragonfleas> them
20:03 < dragonfleas> i KNEW it wasn't us
20:03 < aName> vinrock: Sure, but she's still a bitch
20:03 < vinrock> hey what was the ceo meeting about
20:03 < vinrock> yeah
20:04 < asimon> s/it was .*/it was DNS
20:04 < asimon> damn i forgot layer-eight is a shoddy bot and doesn't do regex
20:04 < vinrock> all later-eight does now is spoil the surprise when you post a url
20:05 < asimon> rickroll protection
20:07 < gnupluslinux> Look at horse my horse is amazing
20:09 < int0x1C8> just had someone forward me an email with a "is this legit?"
20:09 < int0x1C8> Account Deactivation by Microsoft Cybercrime Unit
20:09 < vinrock> well
20:09 < vinrock> thats kinda good
20:10 < asimon> i heard they're serious about their cybercrime
20:10 < vinrock> at least they knew to ask you the dumb question instead of push butan
20:10 < int0x1C8> hovering over the link it points to oldmacdonald.had-a.phish.farm
20:10 <@JollyRgrs> my 13 yr old daughter got a txt saying she can get a job at amazon, a new corolla, and $5,000 visa card
20:11 < int0x1C8> that url actually made me lol
20:11 < int0x1C8> oh wait its better, its MicrAsoft
20:12 < int0x1C8> Micrasoft Inc
20:12 < JollyRoger`> Haha!
20:12 < JollyRoger`> That's pretty funny.
20:14 < asimon> It's done! I can't believe how long that took to delete old backups
20:15 < int0x1C8> its from knowbe4 ofc, we use them to test us
20:16 < _KaszpiR_> https://www.mail-archive.com/python-committers@python.org/msg05628.html
20:16 <+layer-eight> * _KaszpiR_ →  [python-committers] Transfer of power
20:16 < dragonfleas> It wasn't DNS
20:16 < dragonfleas> even though it was DNS
20:16 < int0x1C8> it IS dns
20:17 < int0x1C8> it has always been dns
20:17 < int0x1C8> in the beginning, it was dns, and in the end, it shall be dns
20:17 < dragonfleas> I worked for 16 hours yesterday until 3 am
20:17 < dragonfleas> should i go home?
20:17 < int0x1C8> yes
20:18 < int0x1C8> go, now
20:19 < int0x1C8> give anyone who questions you the deuces and go relax
20:19 < misspwn> i am finally done with those ever lovin word templates and redesigning them
20:19 < misspwn> what should i have for lunch?
20:20 < adamb> Delicious Steak
20:20 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: do you get paid hourly, or salary?
20:20 <+DrGibby|> int0x1C8: that domain is a++
20:20 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn: mexican?
20:20 <@JollyRgrs> wings?
20:20 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, Salaried boy
20:21 < fredopasta> JollyRgrs: you rang?
20:21 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: then, as long as you have no issues pending and things will pretty much sail for the day... take off and just "sleep with one eye open" on your emails just in case something pops up
20:21 <@JollyRgrs> fredopasta: i did?
20:21  * fredopasta is mexican
20:21 <+DrGibby|> also, its owned my a phishing company, is your security team doing some testing int0x1C8?
20:21 < dragonfleas> JollyRgrs, yeah I've taken care of all the stuff toay
20:21 < dragonfleas> today
20:22 <@JollyRgrs> dragonfleas: go home
20:22 < dragonfleas> I'm literally falling asleep in my office chair right now, I think it's time for me to go home and get some shut-eye
20:22 < dragonfleas> I'll leave my ringer on loud
20:22 <@JollyRgrs> fredopasta: i had mexican the other day... wish i had some today, too
20:22 <@JollyRgrs> but i had boneless grilled wings
20:22 < fredopasta> Runforrestrun.jpg
20:22 <@JollyRgrs> with "habanero hot" sauce
20:22 <+DrGibby|> I love boneless wings
20:22 <@JollyRgrs> these are like mini chicken tendies on a skewer
20:22 < misspwn> hmmmmm mexican there is an okay place but i don't want to do a sit down which leaves me to taco bell or my two day old honey mustard chicken pasta i made
20:23 <+DrGibby|> there is a calzone place here in town that has the PERFECT hotsause
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> i get them grilled, blackened, and then the hot sauce on the side
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> calzones aren't to be dipped in hot sauce
20:23 < misspwn> there is a place here called sauce on the side and they do calzones like that
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn: ooh... taco bell isn't a bad option
20:23 < misspwn> have yet to try them
20:23 <@JollyRgrs> unless you are like me and trying to lose weight
20:23 <+DrGibby|> but they have boneless wings too, JollyRgrs
20:23 < misspwn> JollyRgrs: yeah taco bell sounds pretty good
20:24 <+DrGibby|> also agree that taco bell sounds good
20:24 < misspwn> --trying to not regain weight but it's been mostly stable so hmm
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> i have to have cheat days, or i plateau
20:24 < misspwn> their soft tacos not that high cal
20:24 <@JollyRgrs> i just can't do my cheat days back to back to back to back to back
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> oh, i love nacho cheese and chalupas
20:25 <+DrGibby|> I need 1500 Doritos locos tacos pls
20:25 < misspwn> i went fromn 180 something down to 110 now i'm hoveringt at 116
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> for me, it's the carbs i'm trying not to overdoes on
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> overdose
20:25 <+DrGibby|> that'll be $20
20:25 < misspwn> as long as i'm 120 or less my pants still fit
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn: nice! grats
20:25 < misspwn> thanks!
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> that's ahrd t odo
20:25 <@JollyRgrs> if i hit 180, i'd be at my like... 9th grade weight? maybe?
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> i was 190-200lb when i graduated HS, i was a skinny boy
20:26 < misspwn> yeah, especially being under 5'4" it's real difficult since the calories in/out have to be a lot lower
20:26 < misspwn> my maintenance is around 1400 a day
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> eww :(
20:26 <@JollyRgrs> that stinks
20:26 < misspwn> intermittent fasting helps eating the larger meal in the evening
20:26 < mrghostman> i've found the best thing  that works for me is 16/8 fasting
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> my biggest thing is trying to shrink my stomach (naturally)... but problem is, i love drinking water... and i chug it often
20:27 <@JollyRgrs> which, if you don't know... is how joey chestnut expands his belly before the hot dog eating contests
20:28 < Nightcinder> umm
20:28 < Nightcinder> my o365 says a new person can't be emailed
20:28 < Nightcinder> even though they just emailed me
20:28 < Nightcinder> how do i force o365 to update AD sync?
20:29 < misspwn> powershell?
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: you have to remove the domain from your tenant and then add it all back again
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> ok, just kidding
20:29 < misspwn> doesn't it take like 15minutes for that to sync
20:29 < misspwn> give it some time
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
20:29 < Nightcinder> this new user started 2 weeks ago
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> just be patient
20:29 <@JollyRgrs> ...it shouldn't take that long
20:29 < Nightcinder> i just migrated myself to o365 an hour ago
20:29 < ny0x> wait another 2 weeks
20:29 < Nightcinder> it was working before i migrated
20:29 < ny0x> it will fix itself
20:30 < misspwn> tell them to put in a tick....
20:30 <@JollyRgrs> ny0x++
20:30 < Nightcinder> email address is no longer valid for a lot of people wtf..
20:30 < misspwn> yeah don't remove the domain ..oh lawd
20:30 < Nightcinder> sigh..
20:30 < aName> ugh, users.
20:30 < Nightcinder> what the fucks going on here
20:30 < misspwn> Nightcinder: sounds to me like your migration is bugged
20:30 < aName> When you change your password, you have to use the new one
20:30 < Nightcinder> i'm getting a subset of users
20:30 < aName> CRAZY
20:30 < Nightcinder> i think i need to change something
20:31 < misspwn> Nightcinder: have you t ried using SARA?
20:31 < misspwn> that's a good tool
20:31 < Nightcinder> oh
20:31 < Nightcinder> i think i figured it out
20:31 < Nightcinder> o365 is only syncing a folder on my AD
20:31 < Nightcinder> rather than the entire OU
20:31 < Nightcinder> now how do i fix that
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> by folder you mean sub-OU?
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> so... change it in your settings?
20:32 < Nightcinder> yes, but where
20:32 < Nightcinder> i haven't touched this in a while
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> i have no clue
20:32 <@JollyRgrs> i've admined o365 w/o AD and we use it herre, but i am not "hands on" i just tell the cronies what to do
20:32 < ny0x> in that place where that thing is
20:33 < Nightcinder> yeah i just need to figure out where to move it from the sub-ou to the whole thing
20:34 <@JollyRgrs> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/set-up-directory-synchronization-for-office-365-1b3b5318-6977-42ed-b5c7-96fa74b08846
20:34 <+layer-eight> * JollyRgrs →  Set up directory synchronization for Office 365 - Office 365
20:34 <@JollyRgrs> is it in that?
20:34 < ny0x> I'm looking forward to the day when I get to deploy AD
20:34 < ny0x> its going to suck
20:36 < Nightcinder> that looks like it's for azure AD
20:36 < ny0x> dirsync
20:36 < ny0x> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/denotation/2012/11/21/installing-and-configure-dirsync-with-ou-level-filtering-for-office365/
20:37 <+layer-eight> * ny0x →  Installing and Configure DirSync with OU level filtering for Office365 – Denotation
20:38 < Nightcinder> yeah i think it's an app installed on the DC
20:38 < Nightcinder> logging into the DC right now
20:38 < aName> Initial complaint "Can't get to anything on the internet." >check OU for computer and user > check proxy settings > traffic goes through fine, can load pages... Actual issue? They were using the wrong password for sharepoint.
20:38 < aName> Fucking users, man
20:38 < aName> Like, how do you dress yourself in the morning
20:39 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, like our dirsync just busted last night b/c data center lost power
20:39 <@JollyRgrs> (don't even get me started on that one)
20:39 <+DrGibby|> man
20:39 < Nightcinder> yeah i didn't realize it would prevent me from emailing anyone
20:39 < Nightcinder> without the dir sync doing the whole OU
20:39 < Nightcinder> fucking DC takes 5 minutes to login to
20:39 <@JollyRgrs> git gud
20:39 <+DrGibby|> the levels of "we caught you fapping" spam we're getting reports of is insane
20:39 <@JollyRgrs> DrGibby|: hahahaha, so it's not just the C level?
20:40 <+DrGibby|> nope!
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> dang, you got some fap happy users man
20:40 <+DrGibby|> and there are two variants
20:40 <@JollyRgrs> i hope they all pay up, otherwise you're gonna see all of them in a video on your email
20:40 <+DrGibby|> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
20:40 < ny0x> I did a report on haveibeenpwned for our domain. One of the users was in a "Naughty America" dump
20:40 <+DrGibby|> with a work e-mail?
20:41 <@JollyRgrs> ^^
20:41 < ny0x> I'm thinking the I caught you fapping thing would work on him
20:41 < ny0x> yep work email
20:42 <@JollyRgrs> ny0x: well, he totally didn't want to be caught using his personal email!
20:44 < alazare619> i'm looking for a way to visualize all security groups in AD
20:44 < alazare619> including nested groups ETC
20:45 < aName> So, apparently, after we'd discovered nitrate, but before we learned to synthesize it, we would mine it. From where, you might ask? From a massive pile of shit. Literally. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3f/DSCN5766-guano-glantz_crop_b.jpg
20:45 <+layer-eight> * aName →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 113,065 bytes
20:47 < int0x1C8> yeah bat shit is actually pretty amazing
20:48 < ny0x> guano coffee
20:49 < ny0x> I think that is from a cat though
20:50 < aName> int0x1C8: Bird shit, in this case, but yeah
20:50 < Nightcinder> hey guys
20:50 < Nightcinder> it's fixed now
20:50 < Nightcinder> thanks
20:50 < Nightcinder> how do i promote ny0x for voice
20:51 <@JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: it completely eats away at concrete
20:51 <@JollyRgrs> guano can cause overpass and bridge collapses if they don't keep them cleaned
20:53 < int0x1C8> that's metal
20:55 < asimon> Has anyone used onenote as their note-taking program?
20:55 < asimon> I just lost a lot of faith in it
20:55 < asimon> Search results aren't returning a page that i can see with my own special eyes
20:55 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: i just started
20:55 <@JollyRgrs> int0x1C8: no, that's concrete
20:55 <@JollyRgrs> :P
20:56 < asimon> JollyRgrs: can you try out your search and let me know if it seems complete
20:56 <@JollyRgrs> but if they don't keep metal bridges painted, it might do that to steel, too
20:56 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: i guess... i've never even tried searching before
20:56 < asimon> I feel like search is one of the most important functions for a note-taking program
20:56 <@JollyRgrs> i'm not even sure how to use search
20:57 < asimon> ctrl-f?
20:57 <@JollyRgrs> is it just per the page i'm on?
20:57 <@JollyRgrs> or for all tabs?
20:57 < asimon> There's a search box on the top right too
20:57 < asimon> You can specify the search scope
20:57 <@JollyRgrs> it shows all notebooks as default
20:57 <@JollyRgrs> it works for me
20:57 < ny0x> I use notepad++
20:57 < ny0x> and its a mess
20:57 < asimon> hm okay
20:58 <@JollyRgrs> ny0x: that's what i'm moving off of
20:58 < asimon> maybe I need to dig in my indexing settings or something
20:58 <@JollyRgrs> "new 8" was my previous note taking page
20:58 <@JollyRgrs> yeah, i didn't even have to SAVE a file
20:58 <@JollyRgrs> that's how awesome notepad++ was
20:58 < ny0x> yep
20:58 < ny0x> persists through windows updates
20:59 <@JollyRgrs> yup
21:00 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: so should i use a new notebook per project, or just make a tab per project?
21:00 <@JollyRgrs> i don't know how to organize, i never took notes in school
21:00 < asimon> JollyRgrs: I've been experimenting with that myself lol
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> or is it easy to start one off as a tab and then when i need 2 tabs for 1 thing, i can split it to a new notebook?
21:01 <@JollyRgrs> oh! i can, i can "move" a tab to a new notebook
21:01 < asimon> What's been working best for me so far is to keep a chronological section with daily notes (split by month into tabs)
21:01 < asimon> Each day is a new page in that tab
21:01 < asimon> And within the day I write whatever project number etc
21:02 <@JollyRgrs> so i think that's what i'll do... have a common notebook and then if i require a 2nd tab for something, fork it off to its own notebook
21:02 <@JollyRgrs> oh... i can't do daily journal type notes
21:02 <@JollyRgrs> my notes are more "project" minded...
21:02 < asimon> If your projects are more distinct and segregated than mine, then a project delineation would probably work great
21:02 <@JollyRgrs> so if it was getting a new "thing" server setup, it would be about getting thing server setup... i wouldn't care what day i discovered that setting X needs to be 34
21:03 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: projects shouldn't be that fuzzy/together unless it really is just 1 project
21:03 < asimon> You'd think
21:03 <@JollyRgrs> but if you are notating daily tasks so you can go back t oboss and say "this is what i did"... then daily might be helpful
21:03 < asimon> There's a lot of overlap unfortunately
21:04 < asimon> Yeah the notes are more for me to organize my thoughts, record what I've done, and to write down my goals for the day
21:04 < asimon> I find that helps me a lot. But again, the goals of your notes sound different from mine
21:04 <@JollyRgrs> yeah
21:05 <@JollyRgrs> then daily makes sense for your stuff
21:05 < asimon> It takes a lot of discipline I'm finding lol
21:05 <@JollyRgrs> mine is more either documentation for doing the project itself... or keeping notes of who is doing what during the planning/implimentation phase
21:05 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: but it helps to make you look more busy
21:05 <@JollyRgrs> :P
21:05 <@JollyRgrs> b/c we all need help with that, amirite?
21:05 < asimon> JollyRgrs: Definitely
21:06 < asimon> Like right now it looks like I'm coding furiously
21:06 < asimon> but I'm really talking about notes with a stranger on a deprecated chat room protocol
21:07 <@JollyRgrs> how do i make onenote have a dark theme like vs code... not just the ribbon/menu being black
21:07 <@JollyRgrs> ?
21:08 < misspwn> tacobell acquired
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> what did you go with?
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> soft tacos?
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> NACHO FRIES?!?!?!?
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> oh those are soo good
21:09 < misspwn> gordita surpeme and nacho fries(wanted to try those)
21:09 <@JollyRgrs> nice
21:10 <@JollyRgrs> jamaican me hungry again
21:10 < misspwn> oh those are good!
21:11 < misspwn> fn nacho fries, man those are A+
21:11 < Hatter> well I got hit a bit with Nozelesn ransomware
21:11 < Hatter> but I'll be fine
21:11 < aName> JollyRgrs: Hrm, lemme poke it, hold on
21:11 < Hatter> anyone else seeing this out there?
21:12 < asimon> File -> Options -> Office theme
21:12 < asimon> oh that's the ribbon nvm
21:12 < asimon> Man I haven't had taco bell in years
21:12 < asimon> Now I'm craving
21:13 < misspwn> sounds to me like you need to go there today and get nacho fries
21:15 < corn266> So I need to run the commands `modprobe dummy; ip l set dev dummy0 name eth0; ip link set dev eth0 address xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx` on every boot of a system, how can I do that?
21:15 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn: but... but.... i'm so close to hitting a milestone and i cheated yesterday
21:15 < misspwn> :(
21:15 < aName> And of course it ignores the windows theme settings
21:15 < aName> corn266: @boot in the crontab IIRC
21:16 < misspwn> JollyRgrs: neew guy just had someone log in to our admin local account and gave him our admin pwd
21:16 < misspwn> ..............
21:16 < aName> misspwn: I've had to do that for remote users before
21:16 <@JollyRgrs> i've seen that too many times, misspwn
21:16 < aName> misspwn: Didn't really have much of an option
21:16 < misspwn> i don't think tha'ts allowed
21:16 <@JollyRgrs> desktop techs didnt' see a problem with it
21:16 <@JollyRgrs> misspwn: it shouldn't be
21:17 < misspwn> i might have to say something
21:17 < aName> i mean, I immediately change it to a new one once I get remoted in
21:17 < corn266> aName, any specific place I should put the script that would make it easy to find? /etc/RUNTHESEATSTARTUPD.d ?
21:17 < misspwn> it's a pwd we use for everything on our end
21:17 < aName> But sometimes it's either that or having them ship the machine to you, unlocking it, and shipping it back
21:17 < aName> misspwn: Oh, our local admin is per-machine
21:18 < corn266> hunter1 hunter2 hunter3 hunter4...
21:18 < aName> lol
21:18 < aName> corn266: Iunno about location. Not sure it matters.
21:18 < asimon> misspwn: No shared PW manager?
21:18 < aName> corn266: You could also make your script into a service
21:18  * aName shrugs
21:19 < misspwn> it was for a client not an internal user
21:19 < misspwn> it's our local account
21:19 < corn266> aName, yea but that seems a little overkill
21:20 < sadbox> have we talked about the new macbook pros yet?
21:21 < sadbox> default is a 6-core CPU on the 15" now, 13" now supports quad core
21:21 < sadbox> up to 32GB on the 15" too
21:22 < aName> corn266: There's also rc.local
21:22 < aName> corn266: Couple ways to do it
21:22 < asimon> Maybe I'll do taco bell on sunday as a reward for picking things up and putting them back down
21:23 < sadbox> corn266: if systemd system can always just create a oneshot unit
21:23 < Casteil> sadbox: I've got a poor man's macbook pro
21:23 < Casteil> aka XPS 15
21:23 < sadbox> last time I looked for the same specs it was about the same price
21:23 < sadbox> :P
21:23  * Casteil prices out a similar macbook pro
21:23 < Casteil> DOUBTFUL
21:24 < Casteil> granted I do have a very high spec XPS 15 9570
21:24 < sadbox> Casteil: how much was it?
21:24 < Casteil> I don't know. I only specific to my boss that the XPS 15 with the i7-8750H was new and the best bang for the buck I could find
21:24 < Casteil> he ended up ordering me one with 16GB + 512GB and 4K display
21:25 < Casteil> so it was probably like $2200-2400 or something in that range
21:25 < corn266> aName, who has time to do something like this https://pastebin.com/hxPWs55K
21:25 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  #! /bin/sh    ### BEGIN INIT INFO  # Provides:          Eth0_Mac  # Required-Sta - Pastebin.com
21:25 < Casteil> ~2200 according to dell's site
21:25 < Casteil> the 4k upgrade is like $400 >.>
21:26 < sadbox> Casteil: there you go, macbook pros are ~the same price
21:26 < Casteil> ehhhh
21:26 < Casteil> ~same price with half the SSD size
21:26 < Casteil> and $200 more in adapters because all that shit comes with is USB-C
21:27 < Casteil> I was kind of joking but that's literally all it has..
21:27 < Casteil> 4 thunderbolt 3 and a fucking headphone port
21:27 < Casteil> give me USB-A and HDMI at least
21:27 < sadbox> Casteil: lets be honest it's amazing they kept the headphone jack
21:27 < sadbox> you know -someone- was fighting to remove it
21:28 <@JollyRgrs> does anyone know how to change the color scheme of outlook to dark.... which INCLUDES the mail bodies?
21:28 < Casteil> also, the macbook pro display is probably not as nice as the XPS 15s
21:28 < Casteil> you might scoff at that
21:28 < Casteil> but for starters, the macbook pro is only 2880x1800
21:28 <@JollyRgrs> #standards
21:29 < sadbox> Casteil: yeah but 16:10
21:29 < asimon> JollyRgrs: Let me know if you figure it out. I tried looking for a way to do that for a while but came up empty
21:29 < sadbox> Casteil: like god intended
21:30 < asimon> Given the HTML format of most emails I have a feeling that it won't let you, but there's a chance
21:30 < Casteil> sadbox: can't say I disagree much with that sentiment
21:30 <@JollyRgrs> bc honestly, dark sides and white emails hurts worse w/ that big contrast
21:31 < asimon> Oh I 100% agree
21:31 < asimon> same with MS Word
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: that's the big ticker i figured, myself
21:31 < Casteil> at least on 1920x1080
21:31 < Casteil> I've always felt that 1080p is not enough vertical real estate
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> but it should have a default override if bg color/image is not set
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> Casteil: it is not!
21:31 <@JollyRgrs> NEED MORE V!
21:32 < sadbox> Casteil: anywho, there are definitely cheaper some cheaper similar-spec windows laptops out there, but for the past 5 years or so I've seen a lot more expensive as well
21:32 < Casteil> s/V/D/
21:32 <+layer-eight> [SED Casteil/JollyRgrs] NEED MORE D!
21:32 <@JollyRgrs> FENCE!
21:32 <@JollyRgrs> D-FENCE!
21:32 < sadbox> Casteil: a lot of the issue is that they don't have non-high-res-screens non-ssd, etc builds
21:32 < asimon> s/vertical/free
21:32 <+layer-eight> [SED asimon/Casteil] I've always felt that 1080p is not enough free real estate
21:33 < onenerdyguy> i wanna go to bed. can someone let me go to bed?
21:34 <+DrGibby|> onenerdyguy: go to bed
21:34 < adamb> https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6423238381890863104
21:34 <+DrGibby|> Dr's orders
21:34 < onenerdyguy> well thats all it takes
21:34 < adamb> Microsoft Teams is getting "improved"
21:34 < adamb> that's sure to kill it
21:35 < MadCamel> holy moly. bbq sauce on peanuts is good
21:35 <@JollyRgrs> adamb: what do you mean?
21:36 < onenerdyguy> s/peanuts/anything
21:36 <+layer-eight> [SED onenerdyguy/MadCamel] holy moly. bbq sauce on anything is good
21:36 <@JollyRgrs> it has been continually getting improved, and it isn't bad
21:36 < adamb> JollyRgrs: see the linkedin link
21:36 < adamb> It's going to be AI powered
21:36 <@JollyRgrs> adamb: it already has T-Bot
21:37 < MadCamel> I need assistance on violating company policy so I can get fired. If I don't get local admin on this workstation so I can install virtualbox and use a decent linux desktop I'm going to quit anyway.
21:37 < MadCamel> Problem is the damn thing has full disk encryption
21:37 < asimon> MadCamel: Sexually harass somebody
21:38 < MadCamel> so how can I get admin if I can't offline mount the drive?
21:38 < adamb> give the netadmin a bottle of bourbon
21:39 < MadCamel> sounds like a good plan
21:39 < corn266> MadCamel, is it linux or winders
21:40 < MadCamel> it's windows. And I'm a linux admin, hired to be a linux admin, who's used linux as my workstation OS for the past 20 years... This seriously isn't working out
21:41 < corn266> and you don't have network admin creds?
21:43 < vavkamil> you need a hardware keylogger
21:44 < vavkamil> or maybe put linux distro on usb flash drive
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> adamb: ooh, "free" version of Teams would mean those out of company would not have an excuse of using slack if we can say "just DL the free version and then we can add you to the team"
21:44 <@JollyRgrs> i like that idea
21:46 < Holo> MadCamel so why do you care about windows?
21:46 < syere> MadCamel: I am in the exact same boat. Ended up just running virtualbox with a linux distro in it
21:46 < Holo> syere now now, cant use vbox for work
21:46 < corn266> syere, he can't install vbox
21:47 < syere> oh
21:47 < Holo> you need to pay for vbox at that point
21:47 < Holo> lol
21:47 < Holo> might as well use vmware
21:47 < syere> qemu
21:47 < Holo> kvm
21:47 < Nightcinder> $6,299.00 top end mbp without software
21:47 < Holo> :P
21:47 < Nightcinder> hoooooly moly
21:47 < Holo> Nightcinder ikr?
21:47 < jbroome> yeah that 4TB ssd drives up the price
21:47 < MadCamel> I can't install any software. They can push-install approved software for me. No virtualization platform is approved software.
21:47 < Holo> Apple's most expensive laptop got more expensive
21:47 < Nightcinder> oh sorry
21:47 < Nightcinder> 6699
21:47 < syere> damn dude, they really have you locked down
21:48 < MadCamel> yeah
21:48 < Holo> MadCamel windows pc?
21:48 < Holo> MadCamel have them enable hyperv
21:48 < vavkamil> Nightcinder, have link?
21:48 < Nightcinder> https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MR942LL/A&step=config
21:48 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder →  Customize MacBook Pro - Apple
21:48 < syere> MadCamel: have them approve the linux subsystem for windows 10
21:48 < Holo> if they cant give you hyper V then
21:48 < Holo> or that
21:48 < MadCamel> lolol they'd never approve that
21:48 < syere> MadCamel: well, I know what I'd do then
21:49 < jbroome> shit on the desk and walk out
21:49 < MadCamel> seppuku?
21:49 < Holo> send in a p1 ticket saying I cant work without linux?
21:49 < Holo> :P
21:49 < syere> Exactly what I did here: Deal with it and when they come to you and say "wow, this is all so slow"! You show them your work flow, and say this is the tools you gave me, this is the output you get
21:50 < Nightcinder> i love how all apple's press shots show dongles
21:50 < MadCamel> seppuku sounds more fun
21:50 < syere> OR
21:51 < syere> You can continually mess with windows settings so they have to constantly reformat the thing. That's really what got me admin creds
21:51 < MadCamel> ahahahahaa
21:51 < sadbox> Alternatively, just work for a company that respects and trusts you enough to let you do the stuff you need to for your job <3
21:51 < syere> I was playing with a FOSS project, powershell settings.... at minimum one format request per day
21:51 < sadbox> LOLJK doesn't exist
21:51 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EobQrkrS/image.png
21:51 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 58,015 bytes
21:52 < vavkamil> I once completely messed up debian box first day at a new job
21:52 < syere> I think I ended up putting in 13 format requests and they said fuck it
21:52 < syere> i've never managed to mess up a linux box within the first month. Windows desktop or server? Give me under a hour
21:52 < sadbox> work gives me a Macbook pro and I haven't destroyed it yet, so that's cool
21:52 < squealingcode> lol
21:53 < syere> I seriously get so damn mad using a mouse
21:53 < MadCamel> I worked for a company that respected me but then this place came along offering me a 3x salary boost.. But I'm starting to regret switching..
21:53 < squealingcode> Let me introduce you to the trackball
21:53 < vavkamil> syere, like when I was installing and uninstalling software on windows at the same time. admin looked at me with horror in his eyes and said: "noo you can't do that on windows"
21:54 < syere> LOL
21:54 < Nightcinder> vavkamil: well, some apps you can't
21:54 < syere> I HATE services in the admin tools. You'll click something, and by the time you right click so you can start / stop the service, windows has decided to refresh the list so what you right clicked on is now 15 lines away from what is highlighted
21:55 < Nightcinder> it depends if it's calling the same services
21:55 < Nightcinder> ..wot
21:55 < Nightcinder> wtf are you talking about
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> MadCamel: did you get a new "experience" for your resume? or was it doing the same job?
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> syere: i've never had that issue
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> i think mayeb YOU are the problem
21:55 <@JollyRgrs> also never had to reformat so soon
21:56 < MadCamel> JollyRgrs: new experience, big title boost
21:56 < syere> Nightcinder JollyRgrs: You know the... hell, I dont even know the right word for it. Control Panel -> Admin Tools -> Service. The servers we have (vms) I believe are underpowered. So I'll go to stop a service, click it, and in the time it takes to right click, it has moved 15 lines because the services were still apparently loading in the window
21:56 < Nightcinder> ..i've never had that issue..
21:57 < syere> go run a 2016 box with 1 core and 2gbs of memory
21:57 < Nightcinder> you can powershell that too btw
21:57 < MadCamel> but I neeeed linux
21:57 < syere> im trying to learn powershell, so far it is the only thing that has kept me from saying fuck it and walking out
21:57 < jbroome> We don't officially have BYOD, but i've been using my MBP and no one has said anything.  I'm also not making it really obvious I'm using it
21:58 < sadbox> jbroome: ~~~ shadow IT ~~~
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> MadCamel: then take those experience and resume boost and find a better job now :)
21:58 < syere> JollyRgrs: he has to be there a year first otherwise it wont count
21:58 < MadCamel> JollyRgrs: after 2 months?!
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> syere: oh... so they are SEVERELY underpowered?
21:58 <@JollyRgrs> MadCamel: fudge it?
21:58 < syere> JollyRgrs: I believe so. I don't have that authority here to mess with stuff.
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> syere: well, that's the problem
21:59 < syere> There are many other problems first...
21:59 < sadbox> JollyRgrs: resume fudging is an art
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> a linux box just as hampered will be a bear to deal with, too
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> sadbox: it is :)
21:59 < sadbox> I had 9 months of unemployement
21:59 < Nightcinder> shadow it is the worst
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> i made geek squad look like a good thing on my resume
21:59 < syere> JollyRgrs: however with a nix box, no GUI, easier to use
21:59 < sadbox> but I had one job that ended in year X, and I got another one 9 months later
21:59 < syere> faster at least...
21:59 < sadbox> so I just didn't put months on the resume
21:59 <@JollyRgrs> syere: so what you are saying is... yuo don't know how to powershell/cmd
21:59 < Nightcinder> i like having a gui
22:00 < Nightcinder> even if i don't use it
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> it's ok, you don't have to know how
22:00 < syere> JollyRgrs: As a straight nix user for 20 years, not a clue in hell. I wasn't even supposed to be doing any of this..
22:00 < Nightcinder> i like having the option
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> but the amount of time you spend knowing how to deal with linux CLI... if you put that much time into windows CLI.. you'd know things well there, too
22:00 < syere> while true? I didn't join to be a windows admin. I have less than any will to learn the windows admin was
22:00 < syere> ways*
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> so... jsut know, it isn't windows... it is that you were handed a geo metro and told to go drive it on the race track
22:00 <@JollyRgrs> and you are wondering why it sucks
22:01 < syere> fair
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> i'm not saying you should know...
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> just don't diss windows b/c of your setup
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> that's not MSFT's fault
22:01 < Nightcinder> but M$ is the devil JollyRgrs
22:01 < Nightcinder> DEVIL
22:01 <@JollyRgrs> a devil that has helped pay my bills
22:01 < Nightcinder> a devil that is the reason i'm employed
22:01 < Nightcinder> i'm a windows admin
22:01 < Nightcinder> i barely even use powershell
22:02 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: pls visit shamenun and click 14 times
22:02 < syere> JollyRgrs: This is totally a experience thing, and im my experience, I have yet to see personally a well running Windows farm. Maybe because im usually almost always in *nix. But when there is a windows environment, that I do not setup or run, it is always in a poor state. That probably says more about the companies I work for rather than the OS, but the same is not true when I personally have walked into *nix shops
22:02 < Nightcinder> i do use it more than any of my coworkers
22:02 < Nightcinder> tbh it's a lot easier to fuck up linux than it is windows
22:02 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, pfft
22:02 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, you gotta TELL linux youw anna fuck it up
22:03 < onenerdyguy> sudo fuckmeup
22:03 <@JollyRgrs> syere: yeah... b/c all the companies i've been at, windows runs very well... or if it doesn't, it is because it was running on some 4200rpm 2.5" disks
22:03 < Nightcinder> sudo fuckmeupfam
22:03 < onenerdyguy> on windows, it's "Oh hey, you ran windows updates? WELL GUESS THE FUCK WHAT"
22:03 < indutiae> Barely use powershell? You're missing out... Never be a prisoner of GUIs
22:03 < Nightcinder> i've never had windows update take out a server
22:03 < sadbox> syere: just a thought, but... if most of your experience is "I set up this *nix environment, but the windows ones (that I did not set up) are bad"
22:03 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, had one 3 days ago
22:03 < MadCamel> syere: though it's pure torture to use with all the restrictions, the windows environment at my workplace tends to work perfectly. They throw buckets of money at it though. Truckfulls even.
22:03 < sadbox> syere: people have a shit time understanding stuff they didn't set up
22:03 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, went through test and stage fine, boom, killed 2 prod
22:04 < syere> JollyRgrs: and that is why I said in my experience. Im sure it HAS to work well somewhere, or it wouldn't still be a product.
22:04 < Nightcinder> i don't even have the resources for a test and stage :D
22:04 <@JollyRgrs> sadbox: that they didn't set up and are by no means any expert at all about
22:04 < Nightcinder> i get to wing it
22:04 <@JollyRgrs> syere: somewhere... as in most places :P it takes a good bit to mess up windows
22:04 < syere> sadbox: I get that point? Also, would YOU ever want to run and manage a 2016 server with 1 core 2gb?
22:04 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, pfft
22:04 <@JollyRgrs> unless you are running it on 20 yr old hardware
22:04 < adamb> scripting stuff is what keeps windows happy, when you have admins installing chrome and dropping icons everywhere on the desktop, hand editing files, that's where it starts to fall apart
22:04 < onenerdyguy> syere, thats plenty for core
22:05 < sadbox> syere: I wouldn't want to manage a linux server that small either prolly, idk what you can even do with that
22:05 < syere> onenerdyguy: with gui and dns and AD?
22:05 < Nightcinder> my new sql server will have a GUI
22:05 < syere> sadbox: used to run all my http load balancers with 1 core 1 gb, nginx is a beast
22:05 < Nightcinder> i hope you are crying
22:05 < MadCamel> adamb: that goes for any os. nix used to have quite the lead in large-scale administration because windows scripting was a laughable toy
22:05 <@JollyRgrs> syere: so, lets just agree your wintel sysadmins are horribly stupid and not blame this on any particular OS itself
22:05 < onenerdyguy> syere, having a gui on it for AD and DNS is dumb in the first plase, so...
22:05 < syere> again guys
22:05 < onenerdyguy> jesus. place.
22:05 < syere> i have never setup a windows environment
22:05 < syere> I have only ever walked into them
22:06 < syere> and this is what I walk into
22:06 < Nightcinder> onenerdyguy: i have a few programs on the DC that require a GUI
22:06 < Nightcinder> is stupid
22:06 < Nightcinder> but they require it
22:06 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, you have a few programs....on a DC
22:06 < Nightcinder> yes
22:06 < onenerdyguy> Nightcinder, see the problem here?
22:06 <@JollyRgrs> onenerdyguy++
22:06 < Nightcinder> you're implying i installed it
22:06 < onenerdyguy> you're implying you can't fix it
22:06 < sadbox> syere: if it makes you feel better last place I walked in to ran db2 on VMs w/ nfs for storage, and insisted on directio
22:06 < Nightcinder> i'm implying i don't care enough
22:06 < Nightcinder> it works
22:06 < sadbox> syere: shit fell over at ~1k rps
22:06 < syere> eewwww
22:06 < MadCamel> lol directio + nfs
22:07 < Nightcinder> i'm gonna spin up a new server 2016 VM next week, drop SQL server 2017 on it
22:07 < Nightcinder> and that's my Q3 project
22:07 < syere> But in about a week i'll have a mini version of my home lab back. I'll be spinning up some windeers on it
22:07 < sadbox> MadCamel: they also disabled -all- restraint checking, because "PERFORMANCE"
22:07 < Nightcinder> hopefully by the end of the year these windows 2003 boxes are finally gone
22:08 < Nightcinder> i wish my higher ups would stop dragging their feet and give me the money to upgrade this shit
22:08 < syere> JollyRgrs: HOWEVER: Can you tell me why every time in windows 10 that I tell it to stop  updating, it always finds a way to update and restart itself? What magic am I missing
22:08 < Nightcinder> our RF guns are so old they can't connect to a 2012 r2 environment so we have to keep a 2003 box for them to connect to
22:08 < Nightcinder> syere: work or home
22:08 < syere> home, 10 pro
22:08 < MadCamel> sadbox: oooh boy. So in other words they needed a good sysadmin to track down the performance problems instead of just speculating what they could be. I see that allll the time
22:09 < sadbox> MadCamel: also we couldn't afford to pay for the db2 failover stuff, and they charge per-core, so our failover involved killing one VM, mounting up the NFS share from a new one, and starting a new instance
22:09 < sadbox> because... somehow that worked around the licensing
22:09 < Nightcinder> what's db2 cost per core?
22:09 < sadbox> MadCamel: tbh we had like 2 sysadmins and 6 DBAs
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> syere: the magic is that yo ushouldn't be disabling updates!
22:09 < sadbox> MadCamel: and they would refuse to listen
22:09 < Nightcinder> that's a good point
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> syere: also.. obvi you are doing it wrong!
22:09 <@JollyRgrs> :P
22:09 < Nightcinder> why would you disable updates
22:10 < Nightcinder> MS is forcing them harder and harder because of people who refuse to update
22:10 < syere> JollyRgrs: it is literally a steam box. it was built to only play games. I disabled updates after the first time it fucking rebooted me in the middle of playing a game
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder: so he can complain about how bad MSFT is b/c $thing is broken (b/c it wasn't updated with a fix)
22:10 < Nightcinder> you know there's a cool thing
22:10 < Nightcinder> called active hours
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> syere: i never have had an unexpected reboot
22:10 <@JollyRgrs> and i've not even set active hours, etc.
22:10 < syere> JollyRgrs: Dude. I'm not going off about how shitty windows is. I literally just asked a question about its function
22:10 < sadbox> MadCamel: AND we set up a mysql instance because we needed a backup / online DB, 30rps w/ almost zero work
22:11 < Nightcinder> syere: go into windows update and change active hours to when you're at home
22:11 < corn266> syere, http://i.imgur.com/Nh902aV.gifv
22:11 <+layer-eight> * corn266 →  IMGUR Image → Image/gif → 2 years ago → pcmasterrace → 678x377 → Animated → ⚘ 23,517
22:11 < sadbox> MadCamel: still wouldn't listen
22:11 < syere> and it is very obvious we have had VERY different experiences with that OS. And that's fine. But it in no way invalidates my experiences with it
22:11 < Nightcinder> then it'll only update while you're at work
22:11 < Nightcinder> and then ez life
22:11 < MadCamel> sadbox: yeeesh. competency is so difficult to find. You know what I did this morning? I spent 3 hours on the phone with someone trying to explain rsyslog and tcp vs udp for resilient logging. Someone with supposedly 10 years experience I looked up their resume
22:11 < GreyKite> fuck me I need to get away from end user support, I don't think my faith in humanity can take much more
22:11 < sadbox> POINT IS: people suck
22:11 < Nightcinder> you're updated, and no unexpected reboots
22:11 < Nightcinder> GreyKite: reaaaally hoping this is my last job with end users
22:11 < syere> Nightcinder: didn't know about that, i'll give it a shot tonight
22:11 < Nightcinder> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/3TYVfETB/image.png
22:11 <+layer-eight> * Nightcinder →  IMAGE/PNG Document, 274,489 bytes
22:11 < Nightcinder> syere: ^
22:12 < syere> Nightcinder: you is the man
22:12 < corn266> how you get dark theme
22:12 < Nightcinder> uhhh
22:13 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: homebased users are the worst
22:13 < GreyKite> who the fuck thought home based users was a good idea when you hire anyone with a fucking pulse?
22:13 < Nightcinder> personalize -> colors -> default app mode
22:13 < Nightcinder> corn266: ^
22:13 < squealingcode> corn266: You can enable that under PC Settings>Personalization>Colors
22:13 < Nightcinder> GreyKite: our sales guys get to work from home
22:13 < Nightcinder> but i can't
22:13 < squealingcode> Nightcinder beat me to it
22:13 < Nightcinder> it makes me sad
22:13 < Nightcinder> p sure i do a ton more work than they do
22:13 < corn266> i'll have to try it later
22:13 < Nightcinder> i haven't seen an uptick in sales since they got hired
22:13 <@JollyRgrs> syere: i never tried to invalidate your experiences. merely just stating that you are upset b/c you took a barbie power wheel's jeep to the go kart track and are getting stomped by it :P and not that you made the choice... the person running the go-kart track GAVE you that pink jeep
22:14 <@JollyRgrs> so direct your anger at the decision maker
22:14 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: the issue is mainly that we hire people who don't know what the fuck anything is
22:14 < Nightcinder> ya
22:14 < Nightcinder> these sales guys are like 45
22:14 < Nightcinder> been doing this all their lives
22:14 < Nightcinder> can't figure out how to click the vpn button
22:14 < jbroome> yeah, 45 is ancient...
22:14 < syere> JollyRgrs: That is more accurate. And I am doing the only thing I can about it: Looking for new employment. It doesn't make the here and now any better being continually stomped on by something I was lied to about
22:14 < Nightcinder> my favorite was when i started up the fortigate web filter, and it blocked msn.com
22:15 < Nightcinder> and i got phone calls
22:15 < GreyKite> so I have jackasses plugging USB cords into ethernet ports and wondering why shit doesn't work
22:15 < Nightcinder> 'THE INTERNET ISN'T WORKING'
22:15 < Nightcinder> STOP USING INTERNET EXPLORER
22:15 < Nightcinder> I'VE TOLD YOU FIFTEEN TIMES
22:15 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: and since fucking everything is on the internal network, it's all slow as fuck
22:15 <@JollyRgrs> syere: yeah, sounds like it's time to GFTO and get into at least a corolla
22:15 < jbroome> yeah i don't miss end user support at all
22:15 < Nightcinder> i am that whole small company it admin
22:15 < GreyKite> Nightcinder: oh, I fucking wish, I have to tell people to USE IE because our shit is so old it only runs in IE 6
22:15 < Nightcinder> aka everything
22:15 < syere> this whole setup was fucked from the beginning. but it is what it is for now
22:15 < squealingcode> lol, I had a customer the other day who told me his web pages looked very weird. Told him to bring his computer over.
22:15 < GreyKite> IE MOTHER FUCKING SIX
22:15 < Nightcinder> netadmin, sysadmin, secadmin, helpdesk, etc
22:15 < asimon> What I don't understand
22:16 < squealingcode> Turned out he was running IE7, still on Vista.
22:16 < asimon> why is IE still packaged in Windows 10
22:16 < Nightcinder> because it's necessary
22:16 < asimon> when they have edge as well
22:16 < asimon> what is it necessary for
22:16 < Nightcinder> because edge is brand new
22:16 < squealingcode> Some apps require ie
22:16 < Nightcinder> and doesn't show pages that IE does
22:16 < GreyKite> asimon: so my fucking shitstain of a company can keep their legacy shite
22:16 < Nightcinder> if something requires IE6, edge won't display it
22:16 < squealingcode> Some web apps/sites are built around IE, and will only function with it.
22:16 < Nightcinder> edge is built new from the ground up
22:16 < GreyKite> because FUCK YOU THAT'S WHY
22:16 < Nightcinder> so it's safe to use
22:16 < asimon> I feel like killing IE would be a great way to force everyone into the 21st century
22:17 < GreyKite> ahahahahahahahahahah
22:17 < Nightcinder> Ie isn't, but it's still necessary
22:17 < Nightcinder> asimon: no
22:17 < Nightcinder> companies just wouldn't upgrade
22:17 < squealingcode> If it was Apple, it'd be killed by now.
22:17 < Nightcinder> apple isn't corporate
22:17 < asimon> They'd just lose business?
22:17 < GreyKite> squealingcode: that's where you are fucking horribly wrong
22:17 < GreyKite> squealingcode: apple gets to be a little fuckboi because they are tiny
22:17 < GreyKite> so no headphone jack? no problem
22:18 < GreyKite> MS kills IE and that shit would be back inside a fucking week
22:18 < squealingcode> haha, true.
22:18 < squealingcode> My apologies, lol.
22:19 < aName> ticket: "For some strange reason when I send out emails it is sending a copy to the junk folder." actual: one email somehow ended up in my junk folder, four days ago, and I'm just complaining about it now
22:19 < GreyKite> squealingcode: no worries but when the US gov starts leaning on you, it's a different game
22:20 < squealingcode> yea, absolutely.
22:20 < aName> Nightcinder: ... apple has like a trillion dollars
22:20 < aName> don't tell me they're "tiny"
22:20 < aName> (and that's not hyperbole, it's seriously close to a trillion dollars in cash)
22:20 < squealingcode> I guess he meant they're "tiny" when it comes to corporate contracts.
22:21 < Nightcinder> Apple is tiny in the hardware world
22:21 < Nightcinder> Most of their sales are iPad and iPhone
22:21 < Nightcinder> Which isn't relevant to this topic
22:22 <@JollyRgrs> Nightcinder++
22:22 < asimon> What's up with hph^
22:22 <@JollyRgrs> aName: in corp world, and even consumer world... apple = mobile/tablet (real tablet, not Surface full OS tablet)
22:22 < Nightcinder> I mean I've had users try to use an iPad as their work comp
22:22 < Nightcinder> It didnt work
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> haha
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> i've seen that b4
22:24 < vavkamil> can you use mouse and keyboard with ipad?
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> "can i get $LOB app on my ipad?"
22:24 < squealingcode> I feel like that's something they've tried "everywhere".
22:24 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: yeah, sure, i think they support BT keyboards
22:24 < squealingcode> And it always seem to be fail, as they don't know the device's limits.
22:24 < vavkamil> doesn't sound to bad considering the biggest ipad
22:25 < squealingcode> BT keyboard yes, mouse no.
22:25 < squealingcode> Or maybe they've added support for mouse?
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> prob not, Apple isn't that forward thinking enough :P
22:26 < vavkamil> I don't know if even ms surface supports mouse
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: uh... yeah it does?
22:26 < alazare619> wow...never listend to the hood go crazy lyrics...he (Tech N9ne) kills it in a single verse
22:26 < squealingcode> Prob will remove the keyboard feature too and only allow lightning-keyboards.
22:26 < squealingcode> lol
22:26 <@JollyRgrs> it's a full computer, you can dock it and use it like a std PC
22:26 < GreyKite> aName: apple is small
22:27 <@JollyRgrs> squealingcode: i heard they are possibly going USB-C next round and ditching lightning
22:27 < GreyKite> aName: rich as fuck, but small
22:27 < squealingcode> I kinda like the Lightning-connector a bit better than USB-C, but on the other hand "standardization" is always nice.
22:27 < alazare619> Down their they got the hair thats missing keep it bare i promise ill never tare that kitten
22:27 < alazare619> like WTF
22:27 < alazare619> killed it
22:27  * alazare619 drops mic 
22:28 < asimon> does this make sense guys
22:28 < asimon> "Where multiple years of climate data are required, this dataset is replicated."
22:28 <@JollyRgrs> yes
22:28 < GreyKite> squealingcode: I actually really like some of the standards that apple has put out
22:28 < asimon> Duplicated feels like a more accurate term
22:29 < vavkamil> What's a computer?
22:29 < asimon> but replicated sounds less brusque
22:29 < GreyKite> vavkamil: the bane of my fucking existence
22:29 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: depends on how it is done?
22:29 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: is it a 1-time event (the duplication) or is it constantly replicated?
22:29 < squealingcode> GreyKite: I totally agree. Lightning has such a better feel to it than USB-C. 30-pin connector was also pretty good in my opinion.
22:29 <@JollyRgrs> 30 pin can go DIAF
22:29 < asimon> All years are assumed to be equal in terms of the climate data
22:30 < vavkamil> I hate USB-C
22:30 < asimon> like if I get the temperature on July 4th 2020, it'll be the same temperature as July 4th 2011
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> i like usb-c
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> i never plug it in the wrong direction
22:30 < asimon> Definitely done multiple times
22:30 < vavkamil> I have nexus phone with usb-c, fast charging is working only from one side
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> asimon: wait, what?
22:30 <@JollyRgrs> vavkamil: um... #ugotproblems?
22:30 < abakedapplepie> has anyone done vlans over a ubiquiti bridge?
22:31 < squealingcode> Jolly, yeah, thats what I always miss when going back to older USB-standards.
22:31 < abakedapplepie> if i have lan0 and wlan0 bridged, will it pass all tagged vlans with tag attached?
22:32 < abakedapplepie> im assuming it must
22:32 < abakedapplepie> i hate our network so much
22:32 < abakedapplepie> ugh
22:34 < vavkamil> can ubiquiti create a map of wifi signal in a building?
22:35 < abakedapplepie> it has a spectrum analyzer
22:35 < abakedapplepie> youd have to manually take data points to map out wifi signal though
22:35 < onenerdyguy> vavkamil, it's not accurate
22:36 < abakedapplepie> the spectrum analyzer is kind of neat because it will show you non-wifi interference in the wifi bands
22:36 < abakedapplepie> rather than just taking stock of SSIDs and channels
22:37 < vavkamil> I had to make coverage maps with tables, paper plans and markers with different colors
22:37 < squealingcode> So, it will show when employees are using the microwave lol?
22:37 < abakedapplepie> if it interferes with the wifi bands yep
22:37 < onenerdyguy> Anyone have a good alternative to RDC Man?
22:37 < abakedapplepie> royal ts
22:37 < abakedapplepie> hands down
22:37 < onenerdyguy> Trying mRemoteNG but it won't import my crap
22:37 < squealingcode> nice
22:37 < abakedapplepie> hands. down.
22:37 < abakedapplepie> royal ts changed my life
22:37 < abakedapplepie> i bought a license personally, which is rare
22:38 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, it a freebie for the client?
22:38 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, or am I paying
22:38 < abakedapplepie> its free for 10 connections
22:38 < abakedapplepie> more than that you have to pay
22:38 < onenerdyguy> bah, no dice
22:38 < onenerdyguy> i won't get em to pay
22:38 < abakedapplepie> so. worth.
22:38 <+DrGibby|> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh7qSqlWsAALFpk.jpg:large
22:38 <+layer-eight> * DrGibby| →  IMAGE/JPEG Document, 52,187 bytes
22:38 < abakedapplepie> onenerdyguy are you nonprofit
22:38 < abakedapplepie> i forget
22:39 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, gov'ment
22:39 < abakedapplepie> ohh
22:39 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, sweet jeebus, does this let me have multiple users hit the same VM list?
22:39 < onenerdyguy> so like, I add a host and then my team gets it in their list?
22:39 < abakedapplepie> yes and so, so much more
22:40 < abakedapplepie> collaborative editing of your company file, central password management and access, it even logs what users accessed what when
22:40 < abakedapplepie> they also have a server component that allows even more stuff
22:40 < catbeard> what are we talking about
22:40 < abakedapplepie> royal ts
22:40 < catbeard> link?
22:40 < abakedapplepie> royalts.com
22:40 < squealingcode> https://www.royalapplications.com/ts/win/features
22:40 <+layer-eight> * squealingcode →  Royal Applications
22:41 < abakedapplepie> if youre local to servers, its almost like RSAT lite
22:42 < abakedapplepie> you get event viewer, services, task manager, RDS manager, remote powershell
22:43 < abakedapplepie> the built in ssh tunneling is kinda neat but ive never had to use it
22:44 < syere> event viewer is currently kicking my ass
22:45 < namol> eventvwr.msc
22:45 < namol> protipz
22:46 < syere> under-powered servers, and if I understand this correctly, it works kinda like a database? In from what I understand, you have to query the entire section whenever you access that section
22:50 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, dammit, you shouldn't have showed me this.
22:50 < onenerdyguy> abakedapplepie, now I want 2200 bucks for site liceses of both
22:51 < onenerdyguy> syere, it's not even a DB. It's a shitty flat file DB. It's garbage and will bog it all down
22:51 < syere> onenerdyguy: I found that out when I took down all of prod, because im just sending logs, how different from linux can it possibly be?!??!
22:52 < onenerdyguy> syere, extremely different. It's not Linux. It's Windows.
22:53 < onenerdyguy> wtf are you doing taking down all o f prod anyways?
22:53 < aName> I really need a vacation from users.
22:53 < syere> I setup graylog
22:53 < syere> wanted to see why everything sucked
22:53 < aName> That, or to get paid for this dentistry.
22:53 < syere> sent logs to it
22:54 < syere> didn't know the event views had 100+ million entries per server
22:54 < syere> and then all them VM's at once, four days later, screamed out in horror. 100% utilization across the board on every last VM
22:56 < onenerdyguy> that sounds like you failed at 2 things
22:56 < onenerdyguy> 1: don't put your logging collection on prod, dumbass, cuz when prod dies you lose your logs
22:56 < onenerdyguy> 2: TEST BEFORE PUTTING IN PROD
22:56 < syere> well, it went through change control where windows admins sit. they said nothing
22:56 < syere> and i had 10 servers as a test for two weeks
22:57 < syere> and if you don't collect prod logs and the server dies, then how do you know what happened before the event that caused you to lose all of those specific logs?
22:57 < aName> A negative x-spam-score would mean it's very unlikely to be spam, yes?
22:58 < syere> the graylog server itself was standalone, not VM
22:58 < abakedapplepie> onecrankyguy: its totally worth it lol
22:58 <+DrGibby|> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvS351QKFV4
22:58 <+layer-eight> * DrGibby| →  YouTube → Dschinghis Khan - Moskau 1979 → ⚘ 40,286,463 ↑ 287,159 ↓ 8,580 ✍ 33,116
22:58 <+DrGibby|> sorry wrong channel
22:58 < abakedapplepie> i deployed it for our company like 3 years ago
22:58 < abakedapplepie> only complaint is that people dont update connection settings when they change them sometimes
22:58 < onecrankyguy> syere, you collect the logs, and then dump to a seperate environment
22:58 < abakedapplepie> i have to beat people over the head to keep it up to date
22:58 < onecrankyguy> abakedapplepie, oh I bet. Do they do a trial?
22:58 < abakedapplepie> i believe they do
22:59 < abakedapplepie> not sure tho
22:59 < syere> onecrankyguy: again, graylog was its own real hardware. it didnt live on the VM stack of prod or even share the same hard drives / san
22:59 < abakedapplepie> if you contacted sales and told them you were itnerested in a site license im sure theyd bend over backwards for you
22:59 < onecrankyguy> abakedapplepie, hmm
22:59 < onecrankyguy> syere, ah. well thats weird then
23:00 < syere> onecrankyguy: 100mil events per server. the log collector caused the 100& cpu on one VM. When the collector on the next VM spun up to get logs, it hit 100%. Because we are WAY overprovisioned on CPU, it made all VM's hit 100% because there jsut wasnt enough to go around
23:00 < squealingcode> What do you guys like to listen to during work, if you have the luxury of putting on headphones?
23:01 < abakedapplepie> whatever i usually listen to
23:01 < abakedapplepie> lol
23:01 < aName> ^
23:01 < squealingcode> haha
23:01 < abakedapplepie> ive been rocking the new gorillaz album as of late
23:01 < squealingcode> I guess
23:01 < abakedapplepie> and my spotify daily mixes fill in the remainder
23:01 < GreyKite> I'm so fucky salty right now
23:01 < abakedapplepie>  im up to 7 daily mixes now
23:01 < abakedapplepie> lol
23:01 < GreyKite> I'm scared of what the ride home is gonna look like
23:01 < syere> onecrankyguy: I only made one mistake. And that was assuming logs were logs regardless of OS.
23:02 < GreyKite> we are gonna be doing 110 down some back roads, with the throttle just pinned back
23:02 < abakedapplepie> syere: i ran a log server once
23:02 < abakedapplepie> the thing was a melting pile of tears after a few days
23:02 < syere> LOL
23:02 < abakedapplepie> srs it was horrible
23:02 < syere> that's sad. if the log server itself has the power to handle it all, it is so insanely useful
23:03 < abakedapplepie> i was using elk and java just couldnt handle the amount of logs i was sending it with the hardware i had
23:03 < abakedapplepie> and i never got a budget for new hardawre
23:03 < abakedapplepie> so the project died
23:03 < syere> :-/
23:03 < abakedapplepie> i was centralizing logs for about 200 firewalls
23:03 < abakedapplepie> and a couple other odds and ends
23:03 < abakedapplepie> mostly to monitor spam and web activity
23:03 < abakedapplepie> but also because our firewalls wipe the logs on reboot
23:04 < GreyKite> abakedapplepie: huh?
23:04 < syere> i'm currently collecting logs from 1000+ aps and the server is barely registering use
23:04 < abakedapplepie> so troubleshooting issues was a nightmare
23:04 < GreyKite> what brand does that?
23:04 < GreyKite> syere: what are you using?
23:04 < abakedapplepie> cyberoam
23:04 < syere> GreyKite: Graylog
23:04 < abakedapplepie> which is now sophos xg
23:04 < GreyKite> syere: cool
23:04 < abakedapplepie> i think the sophos logs persist at least
23:04 < abakedapplepie> havent had any sophos issues yet
23:04 < abakedapplepie> knock on wood
23:05 < onecrankyguy> abakedapplepie, so, you menttioned non profits and royalts...do they do it for free or something?
23:05 < syere> GreyKite: I dig it, especially how easy it is to make dashboards. I've had the easiest time showing people how to work it
23:05 < abakedapplepie> onecrankyguy: i recall seeing something about discounts for certain industries when i was purchasing it years ago
23:05 < GreyKite> syere: nifty
23:05 < abakedapplepie> i have no idea tho
23:08 < aName> I really have no idea how this woman's sent mail is ending up in another account's junk folder. >.<
23:09 < aName> And of course there's like fifty filters involved.
23:12 < aName> ... why... why would someone have a filter redirect email back to the same account it just arrived at?
23:13 < squealingcode> Someone who wants to show off their unread email count
23:13 < squealingcode> Or feels lonely I guess, lol.
23:17 < L3gacy> lonely feels
23:20 < abakedapplepie> has anyone ever tried passing vlan tagged traffic through an unmanaged switch
23:20 < abakedapplepie> i have no budget to do this right but apparently the internet says "it shouldnt work, but it depends"
23:21 < aName> Wouldn't an unmanaged switch just ignore that field?
23:21 < squealingcode> that's what I thought as well.
23:21 < abakedapplepie> the issue is MTU
23:21 < catbeard> it's over 9000!
23:21 < abakedapplepie> but it seems nowadays most dumb switches use the same switching ASICs
23:21 < squealingcode> lol
23:22 < abakedapplepie> so mtu isnt a big issue in modernity
23:22 < silentfury-s4pro> jumbo frames can be painful if not implemented correctly.
23:22 < catbeard> ^
23:22 < catbeard> funny my ex-wife said the same thing
23:23 < aName> catbeard: That's an interesting way of saying 'get off me, you fat fuck'
23:23 < catbeard> xD
23:23 < silentfury-s4pro> i'm pretty sure the whiskers and the fangs were the issue.
23:27 < ThisIsSys> Windows Updates is the new cancer
23:28 < silentfury-s4pro> no, the lack of managing windows updates is the new cancer.
23:28 < ThisIsSys> I deferred it by 365 days and want to continue on 1709 build, but it will still provide me with 1803 feature update when i check for updates.
23:28 < aName> https://i.imgur.com/lJb9oO7.jpg roflmao
23:28 <+layer-eight> * aName →  IMGUR Image → Image/jpeg → 10 hours ago → 737x560 → ⚘ 129,316
23:29 < ThisIsSys> Any tweaks to get rid of 1803 updates without disabling the Windows Updates feature entirely?
23:29 < aName> Umm, perform the updates?
23:30 < aName> Oh you mean build 1803 not 1,803 updates
23:30 <@JollyRgrs> ThisIsSys: yeah, install centos
23:30 <@JollyRgrs> ThisIsSys: is this on a home or work solution?
23:31 <@JollyRgrs> if a work environment, you should have some type of control of updates which you could then control the upgrade to 1803 :P
23:31 < ThisIsSys> Work solution. We are suppose to use this as our base image for distribution
23:31 <@JollyRgrs> un or il-informed statements about things like how windows updates works in a corp environment are the cancer, btw :P
23:31 < ThisIsSys> I do have the Semi-Annual channel feature turned on and updates are deferred by 365 days, but windows still won't respect those settings
23:31 <@JollyRgrs> in fact, some companies even have a hard time figuring out HOW to upgrade to a new build version
23:32 < ThisIsSys> JollyRgrs:  I would gladly work for those companies
23:32 < DongServer> dolla make ya holla
23:32 <@JollyRgrs> I dunno what you are doing, but I know it can be done (many companies do what yo uare wanting)
23:32 <@JollyRgrs> but it is 5:30 and i have to go to a pool hall as one of my coworkers is not getting his contract renewed tomorrow
23:32 <@JollyRgrs> so.. adios
23:32 <@JollyRgrs> GL
23:33 < ThisIsSys> Ah damn. There goes my hope.
23:33 < GreyKite> JollyRgrs: cheers
23:33 <@JollyRgrs> others in here can help, ThisIsSys
23:33 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: what are you running?
23:33 <@JollyRgrs> if not, ask again tomorrow maybe? (or tonight, or whenever)
23:33 < GreyKite> Enterprise?
23:33 < DongServer> fix IT
23:33 < ThisIsSys> GreyKite: Education
23:34 < ThisIsSys> Sure JollyRgrs! We'll see.
23:35 < DongServer> that fat ass JollyRgrs
23:35 < ThisIsSys> GreyKite: We started out with Windows 10 Education build 1709. We have Semi-Annual Channel selected for "Choose when updates are installed" and feature updates are deferred by 365 days.
23:36 < DongServer> `seen himglazing cryptic1
23:36 <+layer-eight> Seen → cryptic1 → cryptic1 → Saying nope via Log on #reddit-sysadmin 2 days ago
23:36 < ThisIsSys> However, checking for updates initiates an update to 1803 Feature Update
23:36 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: hmmmmmm I wonder if they fucked with something in the edu version
23:36 < technick> *yawn*
23:36 < technick> I hate writing security risk assessments....
23:36 < ThisIsSys> Logically, I shouldn't receive any feature update for a year.
23:37 < GreyKite> logically, you say...
23:37 < squealingcode> Windows 10 doesn't care about logic lol
23:37 < DongServer> hypothethically
23:37 < technick> I found your issue ThisIsSys... "We started out with Windows 10 Education"
23:37 < DongServer> yes no kms it
23:37 < DongServer> now
23:38 < DongServer> or quit now move on
23:38 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: do you have WSUS setup?
23:38 < GreyKite> what are we looking at here infra wise?
23:39 < ThisIsSys> Ah. Don't get me started on that.
23:39 < catbeard> you're looking at NOW now.
23:39 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: RIP in peace, buddy
23:39 < ThisIsSys> They are still using Symantec ghost and Clonezilla
23:39 < DongServer> like rah NOW rah NOW?
23:39 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: oh deary
23:39 < catbeard> makes you feel any better, we use NOCPS
23:39 < syere> symantec ghost, there is a name I haven't head in 14 years
23:39 < DongServer> good times
23:40 < GreyKite> Well, I know that we use WSUS and SCCM to control that
23:40 < ThisIsSys> I am making them move to SCCM
23:40 < GreyKite> and it still doesn't work quite right
23:40 < DongServer> sounds like a 36k/yr job?
23:40 < GreyKite> it still just randomly fucking updates if you click the wrong thing
23:40 < ThisIsSys> I am a student worker. So they barely give a fuck about what i have to say.
23:40 < DongServer> intern
23:40 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: that doesn't change when you stop being an intern
23:41 < GreyKite> they just pay you a little more and work you harder
23:41 < GreyKite> still don't give a fuck what you say
23:41 < DongServer> we have couple and they do dev op shit
23:41 < GreyKite> I know what you are talking about now and I don't think you can actually fix that, it's an issue pretty deep in Windows 10
23:41 < ThisIsSys> I like the Microsoft Windows ecosystem. And an on campus job that pays good, can't say no to that.
23:42 < GreyKite> at least, we have the same issue and they haven't fixed it but I'm not on that team
23:42 < DongServer> sounds like a bad school
23:42 < ThisIsSys> But the stuff they use here is fucked up beyond repair. I am still sure how their WinPE with the ghost is still up and running
23:42 < DongServer> quit now before schizo hits you
23:43 < ThisIsSys> DongServer: It pays for my bi-weekly strip club visits
23:43 < DongServer> oh then the ladyboys will do
23:43 < ThisIsSys> Oh they do. And they do good.
23:44 < DongServer> more than needed
23:44 < ThisIsSys> Beggars can't be choosers.
23:44 < DongServer> Gotta get what you can
23:44 < ThisIsSys> Now if Windows Updates stops fcking me up the ass, i can concentrate on them ladyboys
23:45 < DongServer> do it one by one
23:45 < DongServer> setup WSUS
23:46 < DongServer> hurt yourself for OSHA
23:46 < ThisIsSys> They want me to give a presentation about SCCM because i proposed it.
23:46 < DongServer> Worker's comp
23:46 < DongServer> When? Sounds like you can just play a youtube 101 video
23:47 < ThisIsSys> Before the fall semester starts.
23:47 < DongServer> Plenty of time for kick backs
23:47 < DongServer> Collect and cash out
23:48 < ThisIsSys> Free prints across the campus is whats keeping me from quitting
23:48 < DongServer> too cheap
23:48 < ThisIsSys> I have sold my soul already
23:49 < DongServer> confirmed
23:49 < DongServer> What is I told you I was SaTaN?
23:49 < DongServer> If
23:50 < ThisIsSys> I'd shout "DADDDY!!"
23:50 <+DrGibby|> hawt
23:50 < catbeard> EMBRACE THE POWER OF THE PUMP
23:50  * DrGibby| humps
23:50 < DongServer> need two pumps
23:50 < hxcsp> two pumps nerfed
23:51 < DongServer> for the balls
23:51 < ThisIsSys> for the glory
23:51 < DongServer> for the splashing good times
23:52 < sadbox> mfw https://giphy.com/gifs/fDO2Nk0ImzvvW
23:52 <+layer-eight> * sadbox →  Awkward The Simpsons GIF - Find & Share on GIPHY
23:52 < DongServer> I think I'm leaving an hour early today again
23:53 < DongServer> ohh the good life
23:53 < DongServer> of not doing shit and collecting
23:53 < ThisIsSys> I don't know you but i hate you.
23:53 < DongServer> I am SaTaN
23:54 < GreyKite> DongServer: I could probably stop doing my job and coast for a month or two
23:54 < DongServer> helicopters and homeland security thinks so too
23:54 < ThisIsSys> Fuck this shit. I ain't finding solutions for $16 an hour working as a student worker.
23:55 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: you are getting paid well
23:55 < sadbox> ^^^
23:55 < DongServer> 16 is shit
23:55 < sadbox> DongServer: for an intern? naw
23:55 < DongServer> ok nm
23:55 < DongServer> seems low for IT
23:55 < ThisIsSys> They can go hire Microsoft Partners and fix it
23:55 < GreyKite> I was at $10/h working full time doing tier 3 networking work because I needed the resume fodder
23:55 < ThisIsSys> It is shit
23:56 < ThisIsSys> This is not even tier 2. They won't let me have access to any servers and shit.
23:56 < DongServer> ThisIsSys you keep moving until you're happy
23:56 < GreyKite> under a shitty boss who would alternate between screaming at me and buying me lunch from one hour to the next
23:56 < DongServer> job hop
23:56 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: then quit trying to fix it
23:56 < DongServer> ask for more
23:56 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: even later in life you are gonna have to learn how to leave shit alone
23:57 < ThisIsSys> GreyKite: It gives me pride creating images thats gonna be used by students like me
23:57 < GreyKite> there is a lot of fucked up shit here but hey, not my chair, not my problem, that's what I say
23:57 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: you can't eat pride
23:57 < GreyKite> you can't buy hookers and blow with pride
23:57 < GreyKite> pride aint worth shit
23:57 < GreyKite> just makes the fall harder
23:57 < DongServer> escorts
23:57 < DongServer> it's a career
23:57 < GreyKite> DongServer: they're hookers when they're dead
23:58 < ThisIsSys> Is it?
23:58 < DongServer> yes
23:58 < ThisIsSys> how about a hairy male escort? how much can i make if i take that leap?
23:58 < ThisIsSys> We are talking real deal here.
23:58 < GreyKite> ThisIsSys: more than $16/h
23:58 < GreyKite> escorts get paid well
23:59 < GreyKite> I could easily triple what I'm making if I was willing to suck a dick
23:59 < DongServer> cash
23:59 < ThisIsSys> At least they don't have to worry about windows updates, just dicks with red spots and what not
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