--- Log opened Tue Apr 03 09:10:51 2018
09:33 < sammyg> windows subsystem linux enabled
09:33 < sammyg> now what?
09:34 < sammyg> Windows Subsystem for Linux has no installed distributions.
09:34 < bindi> download something from the windows store, like ubuntu
09:34 < sammyg> Distributions can be installed by visiting the Windows Store:
09:34 < sammyg> https://aka.ms/wslstore
09:34 < sammyg> but the link is not working
09:34 < sammyg> or i mean it is but it gives me nothing
09:34 < rymate1234> it should open the windows store
09:35 < sammyg> Wait a while, then try that again. Something happened on our end.
09:35 < sammyg> https://i.imgur.com/wlFmga7.png
09:36 < sammyg> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-windows_store/microsoft-store-something-happened-on-our-end-try/24344bab-aef8-4091-a200-9f30fafd93e5
09:37 < sammyg> Method 1: Try running the Windows Store Apps troubleshooter.
09:37 < sammyg> Method 2: Perform System File Check (SFC), and then check if this fixes the issue.
09:37 < sammyg> Method 3: Reset Store Cache.
09:38 < sammyg> why would any of this be relevant?...
09:38 < sammyg> hilarious: "I managed to fix this problem for me last night by doing a system reset."
09:40 < sammyg> why is this problematic? i remember installing WSL for the first time on win 10 many eons ago
09:40 < sammyg> you just typed in "bash" and enter, and then "y" and enter
09:40 < sammyg> it went on to fetch the packages automagically
09:40 < sammyg> why are they pushing it through the windows store now?
09:42 < bindi> because more than 1 distro
09:43 < sammyg> well is it available to all regions?
09:43 < sammyg> i'm not getting it what the problem is, why is it hidden? or why the short link doesn't work?
09:43 < sammyg> https://aka.ms/wslstore
09:44 < sammyg> if i do a search for "ubuntu" on the windows store i come out empty handed
09:44 < sammyg> "canonical" same, "linux" same
09:44 < sammyg> but i have snatched it now
09:44 < sammyg> downloading as i type
09:45 < sammyg> https://www.microsoft.com/store/p/ubuntu/9nblggh4msv6
09:45 < DaFiN> thanks for the link sammyg
09:46 < sammyg> no problem DaFiN
09:46 < sammyg> it must be a region thing
09:47 < sammyg> let me just dig a hole to us of a and try it out
09:49 < sammyg2> nope!
10:08 < pinkisntwell_> It appears here http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/0387/index.htm unicode 0387 is "greek ano telia" but when I type alt+0387 in windows I get the letter "f". Why?
10:09 < Stryyker> Type it in to what software?
10:10 < Stryyker> 387 is hexadecimal, if you're using alt + 0 xxx you need decimal value
10:11 < Stryyker> ·?
10:11 < pinkisntwell_> ah ok
10:12 < Stryyker> which would be 0903
10:12 < pinkisntwell_> well the decimal is 0903 but it still doesn't work
10:13 < pinkisntwell_> and actually i get different character depending on whether I type 903 or 0903
10:13 < pinkisntwell_> and on the bottom of the page it says "How to type in Microsoft Windows 	Alt +0387"
10:13 < pinkisntwell_> so i am very confused now
10:13 < Stryyker> What version of Windows? What software?
10:13 < pinkisntwell_> windows 10, notepad
10:14 < Stryyker> Try wordpad
10:14 < Stryyker> And someone that gave the instructions must have forgot the typical alt pattern uses decimal values and not hex. to use hex there is a different way
10:15 < pinkisntwell_> it works in wordpad... what the hell
10:15 < pinkisntwell_> I thought it was a windows thing, not a per-app thing
10:17 < Stryyker> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input#In_Microsoft_Windows
10:18 < Stryyker> It is about the input control type. While some look the same, there are differences. Notepad is more primited edit control. Wordpad uses a more powerful richedit control.
10:18 < Stryyker> Some software may do extras too.
10:19 < system16> Hi can i use my windows xp key on windows 10 ?
10:19 < blkshp> No
10:20 < rymate1234> no
10:20 < system16>  even windows 7 ?
10:20 < S_SubZero> XP keys can be used with… XP.
10:52 < thomas_25> There are vendors who sell cheap  (some extremely cheap) Win10 Pro licenses claiming it's 100% legit. How come?
10:53 < thomas_25> user reviews seem positive as well, and this is a trusted e-commerce platform overall. what's the catch?
10:54 < CptLuxx> we are not a licensing channel
10:54 < CptLuxx> ask the vendor.
10:55 < thomas_25> asking about MS Windows 10 licensing in a MS Windows support channel is off-topic?
10:55 < system16> thomas_25> u can use win10 for free but it wont let u change desktop background and it will create a watermark
10:56 < system16> its a good way to try windows 10 if u never used win10
10:56 < CptLuxx> we are not an offical microsoft channel thomas_25
10:56 < CptLuxx> and licensing is complex so we say its offtopic..
10:57 < thomas_25> system16 neither background or the watermark is an issue for me, so i could keep using it like as it is but I'd prefer paying if it's affordable... just not sure how these guys acquire these OEM (I suppose) licensenses so cheap
10:59 < system16> im pretty sure that something is not right with 3 $ license keys thomas_25
10:59 < thomas_25> me too
10:59 < thomas_25> windows store price is 2/3 the minimum wage here
10:59 < blkshp> Guys, it has been advised that this is not a topical subject.
10:59 < blkshp> If you wish to discuss this, please do so in PM not here.
11:00 < system16> ok
11:44 < krishan> hello, my laptop has stuck on a black screen with cursor on it. Using win10.
11:45 < Stryyker> What has been changed? What have you tried?
11:47 < krishan> yesterday it was ok, i installed a theme named OS Sierra and uninstalled immediately, but today when i started it on black screen.
11:47 < Stryyker> Did you have other themes before that?
11:48 < krishan> nope, it was first time.
11:48 < Stryyker> Did you use any hacks that mess with system protection and system restore?
11:49 < ntz> hello
11:49 < CptLuxx> try booting safemode and disable this theme
11:50 < ntz> I have windows guest on linux host in virtualbox ... can somebody confirm this ?
11:50 < ntz> 50% of cpu resources in guest are consumed by windows `interrupts' process (description is "Hardware Interrupts and DPCs") .. that's point to some sucking (probably vbox bug) problem with virtualized hardware, right ?
11:50 < ntz> s/that's point/that points/
11:50 < CptLuxx> nope
11:50 < CptLuxx> sounds like you did not install the guest tools
11:50 < krishan> yeah kmspico? but it is installed from a long time.
11:50 < ntz> ofc I have them
11:51 < CptLuxx> hm
11:51 < CptLuxx> well i would ask in the vbox channel tehn
11:51 < CptLuxx> krishan we dont deal with cracked software here.. and kmspico is exactly that
11:52 < ntz> I tried ... thanks for input ... tools + guest additions works fine including 3d accel and usb 3 passthrough
11:53 < krishan> so for help one should have original software?
11:53 < CptLuxx> yes
11:53 < CptLuxx> ntz there are some options in virtualbox for acceleration like hyperv
11:53 < CptLuxx> try changing that
11:54 < krishan> okay and thanks btw.
12:31 < krishan> Can you help me on booting windows to safe mode, because i tried and didn't find any option?
12:40 < CptLuxx> shutdown and keep holding shift
12:40 < CptLuxx> *hold shift and klick reboot
12:40 < CptLuxx> or interrupt the boot process
12:43 < krishan> not working :(
12:54 < CptLuxx> then interrupt the boot twice..
12:59 < krishan> that helped..
13:10 < krishan> now white screen with cursor in safe mode :/
13:33 < iodev> thomas_25, I can explain in PM
14:13 < TheBard> I ran the OffCAT office scanner on Outlook. It came up with 17 warning issues.  So I picked one, 'New email notifications are not displayed' and tried to resolve it.  Their solution was not applicable.
14:14 < TheBard> So I looked at another about Junk Email and found this: "Microsoft Exchange limits the space that's allotted to your various "Junk E-mail" lists. By default, this limit is 510 kilobytes (KB). If you have a large number of entries in these lists (cumulatively), you may receive one of these error
14:14 < TheBard> messages when you try to add more items to the lists."
14:15 < TheBard> I don't know about you, but I have no idea how 'big' my Junk email list is in bytes, nor do I care too.
14:18 < TheBard> Sorry for the rant. But I just find this stuff very frustrating.  https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2669081/outlook-error-indicates-that-you-are-over-the-junk-e-mail-list-limit
14:18 < Sepultura> Hallo
14:18 < Sepultura> Windows 10 is not able to install on Hyper-V Generation 1?
14:19 < weq> works just fine as a hyper-v gen1 vm
14:21 < Sepultura> I only get Blue Screen Machine Check Exception
14:24 < Sepultura> seems SBS 2011 does not support Windows 10 as Guest
14:25 < Sepultura> Will there be a Windows 11?
14:26 < rymate1234> no
14:27 < marvin3> windows 10 *forever*, with updates that forcefully restart your computer!
14:28 < krishan> lol
14:28 < swarfega> they may drop the "10" once 8.1 reaches EOL
14:29 < rymate1234> nah
14:29 < rymate1234> macOS hasn't dropped the 10
14:29 < swarfega> doesnt mean MS have to follow
14:31 < Sepultura> HAs Hyper-V GPU Passthrough?
14:31 < weq> that is a server feature
14:32 < weq> err* no it is not anymore I forgot.
14:32 < rymate1234> I thought the client hyper-v had it too
14:32 < weq> it's called remotefx
14:39 < marvin3> my network printer isn't working, it just queues print jobs. connection is fine, I can ping it and access its web server. what can I try other than restarting (which I can't do right now)?
14:40 < Tazmain> did you install the correct driver?
14:40 < Tazmain> can you check if the printer is busy "
14:40 < marvin3> printer has been working for 5 years
14:40 < marvin3> nothing has changed software wise
14:40 < Tazmain> can you restart your machine ?
14:41 < marvin3> not right now
14:41 < Tazmain> well updates could have done something possibly
14:41 < Tazmain> and the printer ?
14:41 < marvin3> IIRC there was a way to restart print service or something like that. maybe that could help
14:41 < weq> stop start the printer spooler
14:41 < weq> services
14:41 < marvin3> "and the printer ?" <- don't understand
14:41 < Tazmain> can you restart the printer
14:42 < marvin3> yes I tried that several times. even unplugged it
14:42 < Tazmain> then try what weq suggested
14:51 < atom138> Hey guys this might not be the right channel but I have an excel question. Should be easy
14:52 < TheBard> fire away
14:53 < DaFiN> atom138: go ahead
14:53 < pythonick> hello guys
14:53 < DaFiN> hi
14:53 < pythonick> i have two disks with windows 10 pro
14:53 < pythonick> how can i startup with ONE disk and see the other as data only?
14:53 < atom138> I'm scanning in thousands of serials and macs for these devices we're decommissioning. I have a scanner programmed with TAB as the suffix and im using the form feature where i scan SN then it auto tabs to the mac field
14:54 < atom138> then i have to hit enter on the keyboard to enter a new one
14:54 < feditor> how can I guarantee that windows will shut down if I click shut down?
14:54 < atom138> how can i make it automatically hit enter
14:54 < DaFiN> pythonick: configure boot store maybe.. google.com/search?q=boot+store+windows+10
14:54 < pythonick> k
14:55 < atom138> I could also use autoit to auto send ENTER after tab is hit twice...but i know very little autoit
14:56 < TheBard> atom138, form feature?
14:57 < atom138> lemme find a screenshot
14:57 < atom138> you have to add it to the ribbon, not there by default
14:57 < atom138> but its essentially a box with a field for each column and an 'add' button.
14:58 < atom138> scan SN>auto tab top MAC field>then i have to click Add
14:58 < atom138> im trying to automatically add it without having to press enter
14:59 < atom138> http://www.excel-easy.com/examples/images/data-form/enter-criteria.png
14:59 < atom138> Just like that except the only fields on mine are Serial and MAC
15:00 < TheBard> Excel has a Macro recorder. Why not record the step, then edit the VBA to stick an Enter at the end? (or am I being too simplistic about it?)
15:00 < atom138> My scanner is programmable but i cant make it alternate between tab and enter after scans, just one or the other
15:01 < atom138> well it would run at a specific rate right? i dont want it to add unless both fields are scanned. the barcodes are like 1/2in and 1/8th in apart so some times it scans wrong or takes a few triesa
15:02 < atom138> I might try an autoit script to send enter after tab is sent twice
15:02 < atom138> Just found they have a channel on this server
15:02 < atom138> nvm only one guy
15:03 < weq> ##autoit nope?
15:03 < atom138> yeah it defaulted to #autoit. im asking now
15:09 < atom138> bah i give up on autoit channels, im just gonna learn it until lunch
15:12 < atom138> Thanks for atleast giving me the time of day TheBard
15:13 < atom138> and DaFiN
15:13 < TheBard> you might at least try it.
15:13 < Windows45> hello all
15:13 < DaFiN> atom138: what i would have suggested was you could use scripts of vb,
15:14 < atom138> I found autoit has an if _ispressed(xx) feature
15:14 < atom138> gonna try that
15:14 < DaFiN> but, i don't use autoit
15:14 < DaFiN> so, i can't tell about it. i do have a logitech programmable keyboard ;)
15:18 < system16> chkdsk G:\
15:18 < system16> says :
15:19 < system16> The drive, the path, or the file name is not valid.
15:19 < DaFiN> no slash
15:19 < system16> oh
15:19 < system16> its running now thanks
15:21 < system16> does chkdsk scan for hardware problems like current pending sector count etc. ?
15:21 < newbie46> Is there a good way to push os storage onto a second drive? ( page/hiber files, user data )
15:22 < atom138> im banking on autoit, but im an ultra novice. If i could get it to send ENTER after every second time tab is hit id be golden
15:23 < TheBard> atom138, we don't support that in this channel. Ask them.
15:23 < atom138> The network here is locked down and only certain apps are available via an internal app store. autoit is one of them thank christ
15:23 < atom138> i know i was just clarifying. Thanks for hearing me out
15:24 < atom138> woops that was actually in wrong channel my bad
15:24 < system16> ?
15:24 < TheBard> newbie46, have you already looked at Windows 10 Settings>System>Storage, Change where new contente is saved?
15:24 < system16> i think chkdsk will not detect hardware problems
15:24 < krishan> i think something broke up my laptop's graphics driver, any way to fix it?
15:25 < blkshp> system16: it will detect data that is on a bad sector. it could indicate possible physical damage but it cannot read damage itself, no
15:25 < TheBard> newbie46, Windows also supports symbolic links. So you could make a sym link to your mounted drive?
15:26 < krishan> now it stuck on boot, after windows logo.
15:39 < newbie46> TheBard: Will look into symbolic links. The issue I have is most of my storage isn't used by me, it's used by automatically written system stuff. ( not in documents, pictures, movies, etc. )
15:39 < newbie46> And programs of course, but I already minimized those.
15:44 < TheBard> if you are short of space, run Disk Cleanup. And set that Storage button to have windows clean more often.
15:45 < newbie46> Nothing obvious I can remove. :P
15:45 < newbie46> I just need a bigger drive, but I'm waiting until I get a new PC.
15:45 < newbie46> Total disk cleanup possible: 2mb
15:45 < TheBard> install utility, use utility, delete utility, save util.zip on some archive?
15:45 < TheBard> Windows 10 has an amazingly small footprint.
15:47 < newbie46> Well. Bigger than windows 7.
15:47 < newbie46> Drive only 120gb.
15:47 < TheBard> says who. http://www.freenode-windows.org/resources/all-windows-versions/size-on-disk
15:47 < newbie46> windows itself: 22gb, I recall 7 being around 16
15:48 < newbie46> But maybe that was fresh install
15:48 < TheBard> The min spec has not changed.
15:48 < CptLuxx> Windows 10 Pro (fully updated on Sep 1, 2017; VMWare Workstation): 12.3GB
15:48 < CptLuxx> not bad
15:48 < TheBard> about the same as Android takes on my Samsung.
16:02 < newbie46> So, I found a way to reduce pagefile size, but not move where it's allocated.
16:39 < Tazmain> Does windows 10 , still have like a god mode? where you are the ultimate admin of the machine and can access everything? I remember there was a way to get that in windows 7 with a shortcut. And enabling the Administrator user
16:42 < rymate1234> the windows 7 "god mode" was just a special folder with a bunch of links
16:43 < rymate1234> https://www.pcworld.com/article/220753/windows_7_god_mode_tips_tricks_tweaks.html
16:43 < swarfega> god mode still works on 10 i believe
16:43 < rymate1234> yeah
16:45 < Tazmain> and the built in Administrator account, can you still enable and use that ?
16:47 < rymate1234> I imagine so?
16:48 < rymate1234> but why would you want to
16:48 < Tazmain> sometimes I get  a message ' you do not have access to perform this task' I wanna see what happens
16:48 < rymate1234> it's probably done via the same method as w7
16:48 < Tazmain> And besides in a VM that is not connected to the internet, why not?
16:49 < rymate1234> ah
16:50 < Tazmain> besides in general I am against not being able to fully take control of a system. And if I want to kill a process the OS needed and that causes a BSOD I want to be able to do that
16:50 < TheBard> you shouldnt have to do that
16:51 < Tazmain> Taking away advanced control is not acceptible
16:51 < Tazmain> Does anyone know what is the timeout for windows, if a process can't access a disk, and the disk in fact turned off, but its stuck in some I/O loop/error before that process is terminated, seems to be longer than 30 minutes
16:52 < Tazmain> with Admin in theory you should be able to kill the process
16:52 < Tazmain> which I would like to test
16:52 < TheBard> not necessarily.
16:54 < Tazmain> TheBard, how so?
16:54 < GautamS> Hello, I've been experiencing some problems, I can't describe it, but basically the entire system freezes a few minutes after boot.
16:54 < Tazmain> you can't always kill a process?
16:54 < GautamS> The event viewer has the following entry around the time of the crash: ""Windows-Kernel-Processor-Power: The speed of processor 0/1/2/3 is being limited by the system firmware. The processor has been in this reduced performance state for 71 seconds since last report.""
16:54 < TheBard> Tazmain, correct.
16:55 < Tazmain> TheBard, well if a kernel process goes amock sure, because the kernel can't kill it, but it seems explorer.exe is more integrated that normal now, it starts off most processes. so to kill that is becomining harder
16:55 < GautamS> There's also a few errors about DistributedCOM
16:55 < Tazmain> looking at procmon , I see many porcesses under explorer.exe
16:56 < rymate1234> explorer is easy to kill
16:56 < Tazmain> not for me, sometimes it hangs, and you can't kill it
16:56 < Tazmain> especially if its a disk I/O error
16:56 < Tazmain> or something is locking the disk up
16:57 < rymate1234> ah
16:57 < Tazmain> any disk
16:57 < Tazmain> since the process was lunched under explorer.exe
16:58 < Tazmain> taskkill does work well though
16:58 < Tazmain> but not always
17:15 < edge_hay> Hi
17:16 < GautamS> Hasn't Windows Defender pretty much removed the need to specialized anti-virus software from the consumer industry?
17:16 < GautamS> *need for
17:16 < edge_hay> Is that a serious question?
17:17 < edge_hay> I've never had an anti-virus
17:17 < edge_hay> Since I switched from Windows to a stable os
17:17 < krishan> a stable os?
17:17 < rymate1234> is that a serious comment?
17:17 < rymate1234> windows is a stable OS
17:17 < rr> which is?
17:17 < blkshp> edge_hay: only time i ask, if you are just going to make comments like that, dont stay.
17:17 < edge_hay> Oh
17:18 < edge_hay> I mean't another os
17:18 < edge_hay> which is stable
17:18 < GautamS> edge_hay: tbh using a non-Windows OS for daily work for me is next to impossible
17:18 < TheBard> get it together then. because we don't like trolls
17:18 < rymate1234> windows, macOS and linux are all stable OSes
17:18 < edge_hay> GautamS are you a programmer?
17:19 < GautamS> edge_hay: I am, but I mostly work with Windows stuff
17:19 < GautamS> DirectX, UWP etc.
17:19 < edge_hay> Oh
17:19 < edge_hay> Must be fun
17:19 < TheBard> this is a topical support channel, follow the channel topic.  Use PM for private discussions
17:19 < GautamS> Yea
17:19 < blkshp> GautamS: from my personal POV i find Defender does exactly what i need. There is more information on Anti-Virus and Anti-malware under the "anti-malware section under resources on our guidelines page...
17:19 < blkshp> Please see our guidelines at http://www.freenode-windows.org/channel-guidelines
17:19 < rymate1234> isn't it also discussion too
17:20 < edge_hay> um. Is there a way to make a batch file that would work on any version of windows?
17:20 < TheBard> be more specific
17:20 < GautamS> edge_hay: Pretty sure most of the shell commands you use will still work in legacy
17:20 < edge_hay> I would only use native commands TheBard
17:21 < krishan> i think something broke up my laptop's graphics driver, is there any way to fix it?
17:21 < krishan> now it stuck on boot, after windows logo.
17:21 < TheBard> krishan, boot to Safe Mode
17:21 < TheBard> https://www.digitalcitizen.life/4-ways-boot-safe-mode-windows-10
17:21 < edge_hay> But Idk my professor said it could be different from one version of windows to another. I only have this one cracked version of windows 10
17:21 < TheBard> edge_hay, pircacy is off topic
17:22 < TheBard> *piracy
17:22 < edge_hay> If you don't count my xbox
17:23 < krishan> bard i did but even in safe mode it stuck after windows logo with a black screen.
17:24 < edge_hay> Ok I'm banned.
17:24 < edge_hay> krishan: stable.
17:24 < krishan> edge_hay: what?
17:25 < GautamS> krishan: I don't know if this works, but have you interrupted the boot sequence a few times to begin automatic repair
17:25 < edge_hay> krishan was trying to be funny
17:25 < krishan> yeah. GautamS i tried.
17:26 < GautamS> from there you can either 1) System Restore, 2) Use the cmd to fix some things
17:26 < GautamS> krishan: It didn't work?
17:26 < krishan> edge_hay: nothing is stable.
17:27 < GautamS> if you could make a recovery disk, then it'd be great.
17:27 < krishan> GautamS: system restore didn't worked, and i don't know any cmds fixing.
17:27 < GautamS> hmm
17:27 < GautamS> What did you actually install to break the GPU driver?
17:28 < krishan> A theme named OS Sierra. :(
17:28 < GautamS> Oh!
17:28 < GautamS> Yeah, I did that
17:28 < GautamS> And you got a black screen with a cursor
17:29 < krishan> yeah
17:30 < Guest7> Hi, is there a way to make the keyboard layout global (for all applications) in Windows 7?
17:30 < Guest7> It seems a bit silly that you change the layout, and it only applies to one window.
17:31 < GautamS> krishan: if you can get to the cmd, then delete the theme files
17:31 < GautamS> The ones you installed in C:\Windows\Resources\Themes
17:32 < krishan> well. let me try
17:32 < GautamS> Then you should copy the aero.theme to Mac OS Sierra.theme or whatever the name of your file was
17:32 < GautamS> (Copy in the same directory)
17:33 < GautamS> after that try logging in Low Resolution / Safe Mode
17:36 < krishan> GautamS, there is no theme named with Sierra os.
17:38 < krishan> in that directory.
17:39 < orpheus> what are the noticeable practical differences between running Windows 10 on 8g, 12g, and16g of ram?
17:40 < orpheus> I mean obviously things will get a bit faster and smoother
17:40 < TheBard> not always.. It depends on what you are doing
17:40 < orpheus> aha -- ok so looking say at
17:40 < TheBard> Look at Task Manager with your workload going. Windows will use RAM to cache it's disk swaps, but it doesnt do it to bibilical proportions.
17:41 < orpheus> aha
17:41 < orpheus> obviously word processing rarely if ever drives ram hard
17:42 < TheBard> this box has 28GB, but windows is chewing on 5.9.  and I'm not running a great deal. So check your own workload.
17:42 < orpheus> I guess multi-tasking heavily is key, you have to work at it to get that ram load up
17:42 < GautamS> krishan: where did you install the theme
17:43 < orpheus> I supppose there's a few apps or categories of apps that are memory hogs
17:43 < orpheus> but yes, I get your advice TheBard
17:43 < krishan> as i recall before shutting down i uninstalled the theme.
17:43 < orpheus> I guess you would simply not go below 8g on any Windows 10 system?
17:44 < orpheus> is that a fair statement?
17:44 < orpheus> if you have a choice?
17:44 < GautamS> krishan: Oh. So you were on default theme before shut down?
17:44 < krishan> so would that affect still!
17:44 < krishan> yeah
17:46 < orpheus> where to semi-power users, people who pay attention and make an effort to have well configured systems tend to come in on their Win 10 builds?
17:47 < orpheus> like is 8g the generally understood sweet spot unless, as TheBard says, you know that your usage patters demand more?
17:47 < rymate1234> what
17:47 < orpheus> 8g of ram rymate1234
17:47 < rymate1234> oh sorry I just read up
17:48 < rymate1234> yeah 8 / 16GB is usually fine
17:48 < orpheus> right
17:48 < rymate1234> I have 16GB ram because java IDEs tend to be very heavy
17:48 < krishan> is there anything in cmd like clearing cache in Android?
17:48 < orpheus> right
17:48 < rymate1234> disk cleanup?
17:49 < rymate1234> you generally don't need to cleanup cache in windows or android though unless you're really low on space
17:49 < orpheus> thanks to both of you
17:50 < krishan> not the disk cleanup, normally i do win+x then recent, perfech or %temp%, how can i do this in CMD?
17:51 < rymate1234> cd %temp% works in cmd for me
17:52 < krishan> win+r** btw
17:59 < niozerotoo> G'day
18:00 < niozerotoo> I have read about the spying and telemetry in Windows 10. Is this possible to completely disable ?
18:01 < rymate1234> niozerotoo, here's the channels official resource on those assertions http://www.freenode-windows.org/resources/windows-10/assertions-of-spying
18:01 < niozerotoo> rymate1234: Thank you, I'll take a look at that.
18:02 < niozerotoo> I have read the page that you linked to and I'll re-phrase myself. There's telemetry in Windows, that's facts. If I want to minimize the amount of user data shared with Microsoft, how can I do this ?
18:03 < niozerotoo> I understand the telemetry may not be "spying".
18:03 < niozerotoo> But there's telemetry, indeed. :)
18:03 < TheBard> Start with the Privacy settings in Settings.
18:04 < niozerotoo> As I understand, there are three settings of telemetry. 1, 2 and 3. In the Home & Pro Edition of Windows, you can only minimize to 1 by design. Only in Enterprise can this basic telemetry be disabled. Is this correct ?
18:04 < niozerotoo> (This shall supposedly be some policy setting or something)
18:04 < TheBard> I have no idea what that means.
18:05 < TheBard> Did you LOOK at SETTINGS under PRIVACY. Maybe hit the Learn More, or Manage my info
18:06 < rymate1234> niozerotoo, https://tinywall.pados.hu/ is usually good at blocking literally everything
18:06 < niozerotoo> Yes, I have already tried to minimize the telemetry in the Settings. But I believe there's more, hidden "basic" telemetry. a) https://www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/win10-telemetry-settings-open-policy.png b) https://www.maketecheasier.com/assets/uploads/2016/06/win10-telemetry-settings-enable-policy.png
18:07 < niozerotoo> rymate1234: I'll look, thank you ;)
18:10 < niozerotoo> Oh and I have another thing to ask you guys about. I have an idea of how I might be able to setup a basic "smart room". I use two wireless microphones connected to an USB receiver, and use Cortana commands with my voice. All PC sound is transmtited to my HiFi system thru a Chromecast Audio. Thus, I can say "Cortana, wake me up at 6 am" in my room, and it wakes me up thru the speakers. Would this work? And, can Cortana do home auto
18:12 < timmyrick> 4 hours without a confirmation is bitcoin broken?
18:12 < TheBard> wrong channel, timmyrick
18:12 < timmyrick> woops
18:13 < rymate1234> bitcoin was always broken
18:13 < timmyrick> theres no idle chat allowed in this channel right?
18:13 < TheBard> right
18:14 < TheBard> not that we are not friendly, just tippy topical
18:17 < Johnjay> anybody have any idea why when resuming (from hibernation?) that my blackweb gaming mouse would not work
18:18 < Johnjay> and require the usb to be unplugged/replugged?
18:18 < Johnjay> is the driver crashing?
18:18 < Guest7> Does it work properly with a different USB mouse?
18:18 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: try Power Options->Change plan settings->Change advanced power settings->USB settings->USB selective suspend setting->Disable.
18:18 < Johnjay> i didn't have the problem with other usb mice
18:18 < Johnjay> but i had to install a driver for this mouse because of extra buttons or something
18:18 < niozerotoo> Oh then I don't know ..
18:19 < Guest7> Could be buggy drivers for that mouse.
18:19 < Johnjay> My selective suspend setting is Enabled niozerotoo. what does that do?
18:20 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: I think it puts USB ports in low-energy mode. But since another mouse worked for you, I am not sure it  would help.
18:20 < Johnjay> well this mouse works. it's just when i resume from hibernation this one doesn't
18:20 < Johnjay> i assume because it's a gaming mouse
18:21 < niozerotoo> I see
18:21 < niozerotoo> What mouse is this?
18:22 < Johnjay> https://www.amazon.com/blackweb-6-Button-PC-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B071FQ9Y9H
18:22 < Johnjay> er wait that's not the exact model
18:23 < jcotton> https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/89dbpz/retail_redstone_4_1803_builds_are_ready_to_be/
18:23 < TheBard> a good clue is that finding a specific driver from the Mfgr is not an easy task with that vendor.
18:24 < kruug> Microsoft Office 2016.  Can you lock formatting while still allowing to delete rows?
18:24 < Johnjay> weird it doesn't appear in my amazon history
18:24 < Johnjay> not sure what happened
18:24 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: what is the exact model? Might be underneath.
18:25 < niozerotoo> You sure you installed the proper drivers ?
18:25 < kruug> For instance, our spreadsheet has a thick bottom border and a white background.  If we delete some cells and shift them up (since it's a list, we don't want blank spaces on the top), that black border moves up as well.
18:25 < Johnjay> BWA17HO003
18:25 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: ty
18:25 < Johnjay> at least they had the decency to make O and 0 different sizes. lol
18:26 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: you can try this driver but since it's not from the official party you do it "at your own risk", ;)   https://jseb.ca/BlackWeb-bwa17HO003.zip
18:27 < niozerotoo> It's from this site. https://jsebean.com/blackweb
18:27 < pingec> Isnt there supposed to be a windows.dmp file after a bsod happens in %systemroot% ?
18:27 < Johnjay> why would there be an unofficial driver?
18:27 < kruug> pingec: only if you have that enabled.
18:27 < Johnjay> pingec: you have to enable that
18:27 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: how did you install your driver ?
18:27 < niozerotoo> Did you receive a CD / DVD?
18:27 < Johnjay> yes
18:27 < niozerotoo> Hm, okay, in that case you may want to check it was installed properly by going to Device Manager
18:28 < pingec> Isnt it enabled by default?
18:28 < TheBard> yes it is
18:28 < pingec> It looks enabled to me
18:29 < TheBard> http://www.freenode-windows.org/resources/all-windows-versions/troubleshooting-bsod
18:29 < Johnjay> niozerotoo: i'm not sure where it would be listed. Human Interface Devices?
18:29 < niozerotoo> Who is the new "Windows 10 Pro for Workstations" for? Who wants to use this?
18:29 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: hmm let me check
18:29 < Johnjay> oh wait I see it. Mice and other pointing devices
18:29 < kruug> Johnjay: BlackWeb is made by/for Walmart.
18:29 < Johnjay> there's 3 entries all clear with "HID-compliant mouse"
18:30 < Johnjay> kruug: that would explain why i only saw it at my local Walmart. Curse my impulsive buying! But I needed a new mouse right away and that was the only wired mouse they had
18:30 < Johnjay> not even joking
18:30 < kruug> Did it have to be wired?
18:30 < TheBard> If the driver doesnt work, then you have to go back to the OEM who made it, which in this case is.. unknown.
18:30 < Johnjay> i prefer it that way yes
18:30 < TheBard> Fancy gaming mice like Razor and Logitech have specific Windows 10 drivers and you can find them on their websites
18:30 < Johnjay> TheBard: next time I'll buy logitech from amazon. never gone wrong with them
18:31 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: there are online community-tested drivers that have worked for people. You can try these. I have no idea if it's the same as your CD.
18:31 < niozerotoo> Otherwise, I have no clue.
18:31 < niozerotoo> Try that power setting if you want to troubleshoot ;)
18:32 < Johnjay> what exactly does it mean, putting usb in low power mode?
18:32 < kruug> looks like that jseb site that niozerotoo linked to earlier is the best resource for their drivers.
18:32 < Johnjay> as opposed to turning the usb device off?
18:32 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: I don't know o_O
18:33 < pingec> Is there a specific event in the event log when the os boots up ?
18:33 < kruug> Maybe disable hibernation?
18:34 < niozerotoo> Hibernation is one function in Windows that often causes people a lot of issues and trouble ... ^_^
18:34 < kruug> And with FastBoot, an SSD, and enabling "Resume programs and sessions from last time", hibernation isn't really needed.
18:34 < Johnjay> yeah taht might be easiest
18:35 < Johnjay> hmm i don't get it, the settings here say to never put computer to sleep
18:35 < Johnjay> so... would that mean it's not hibernating?
18:36 < TheBard> you are fishing in the dark.  Change the driver
18:36 < Johnjay> hrm, advanced setting says to turn off hard drive after 20 min
18:36 < niozerotoo> Sleep =/ hibernation
18:36 < kruug> That's not the issue
18:37 < MR-D05> hey so i am trying to extend a partition by adding unallocated space that was previously held some data, it shows that there is so many mb of allocated space and i try to extend another volume by that much and get "not enough free space"
18:37 < MR-D05> unallocate*
18:37 < kruug> check block size.  You might have a rounding issue.
18:37 < MR-D05> can i do this in disk managment?
18:38 < MR-D05> im assuming its something else because i tried 48000 mb (says there is 50000+ available)
18:38 < pingec> There is a win serv 2016 machine that went unresponisve for 10 minutes and I dont see anything in the logs, any ideas? All I have found in the eventlog is "The Data Sharing Service service terminated with the following error:
18:38 < pingec> %%3239247874"
18:38 < Johnjay> ok thanks i will TheBard
18:40 < niozerotoo> MR-D05: have you tried with another partition manager ?
18:40 < MR-D05> what's another good one?
18:40 < MR-D05> no
18:40 < sepeck> pingec: ##windows-server
18:43 < niozerotoo> MR-D05: I do not know actually, but I know Disk Management can be troublesome
18:43 < niozerotoo> MR-D05: there are a lot of options, MiniTool, Partition Logic etc.
18:44 < kruug> GParted
18:45 < TheBard> Easus
18:46 < TheBard> Disk Management isn't troublesome. If it fails you might want to understand why.  Playing around with partitions on a live system.. hope you have your backups in order.
18:53 < niozerotoo> I just know about several instances where Disk Management has failed to do the job and third party tools have done it just fine.
18:53 < niozerotoo> I don't know about this specific situation, you may be right.
18:53 < niozerotoo> ;)
18:53 < TheBard> we don't like innuendo.
18:54 < niozerotoo> It's not innuendo, it's experience
18:54 < TheBard> too many people rely on these tools. There are feedback methods, support pages with feedback. Answers.msft feedback to say things like troublesome.
18:59 < niozerotoo> Third party tools can be effective if you know what you do. Sometimes, Disk Management is too lazy to even rescan disks automatically. In fact, that may be the reason why Johnjay has this problem. Johnjay -- Can you try clicking on RESCAN in Disk Management?
19:00 < niozerotoo> Right click --> Rescan Disk, I believe
19:01 < niozerotoo> Then try to extend again
19:02 < niozerotoo> Also, make sure to start Disk Management as an Administrator, right click on the shortcut and choose to Run as Administrator.
19:02 < kruug> Microsoft Office 2016.  Can you lock formatting while still allowing to delete rows?
19:02 < kruug> For instance, our spreadsheet has a thick bottom border and a white background.  If we delete some cells and shift them up (since it's a list, we don't want blank spaces on the top), that black border moves up as well.
19:05 < niozerotoo> kruug: I don't know personally but maybe, maybe this article can help? https://www.extendoffice.com/documents/excel/4132-excel-insert-delete-row-in-protected-sheet.html
19:05 < niozerotoo> if not, sorry
19:06 < kruug> niozerotoo: yeah, that doesn't protect the formatting, though.  Thanks for helping :)
19:07 < niozerotoo> Oh alright ^_^)
19:08 < Johnjay> niozerotoo: me?
19:08 < Johnjay> i don't have a hard disk problem i thinK?
19:09 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: sorry, I had J+tab in my head since I spoke to you earlier ;))
19:12 < Johnjay> anyway i installed the driver, if it solves the problem i'll try to come back and let you know
19:13 < niozerotoo> Johnjay: great
19:13 < niozerotoo> I may not be here though because I am not usually on IRC
19:16 < niozerotoo> Does anyone know when MSFT will release this new UI?
19:16 < niozerotoo> Some kind of a glass UI
19:16 < niozerotoo> I read on the news
19:16 <@blkshp> he can leave you a memo /msg memoserv help
19:17 < niozerotoo> blkshp: does that work even though I am not registered on Freenode ?
19:17 <@blkshp> no /msg nickserv help register :)
19:17 < niozerotoo> Ok thank you
19:18 < niozerotoo> I am just here temporarily though, so I don't think I will create an account this time ;)
19:19 < blkshp> no worries!
19:34 < niozerotoo> If this is considered on topic,  what antivirus vendor test is the most reputable and trustworthy in your opinion ?
19:34 < niozerotoo> e.g. AV-Comparatives?
19:35 < blkshp> if you click the link below, look under resources, anti-malware and have a read :)
19:35 < blkshp> Please see our guidelines at http://www.freenode-windows.org/channel-guidelines
19:35 < quakslikeadukk> in my opinion? Besides the built-in ones included with Windows, I like   Eset smart security premium (v11) alongside Malwarebytes (the two seems to go well together) - both low-resource and quite advanced in features.
19:36 < niozerotoo> Thank you both :)
19:36 < quakslikeadukk> Oh. I've never seen the web site for this channel either.  Sounds cool, Imma have a peek there as well. Thanks
19:37 < sepeck> linked in /topic
19:38 < sepeck> http://www.freenode-windows.org/resources/antimalware  also
19:41 < niozerotoo> If I have a TPM chip in my laptop, is it best to take advantage of it and encrypt using it ?
19:41 < quakslikeadukk> Yes
19:42 < sepeck> maybe
19:42 < quakslikeadukk> If your system resources allows, I think possibly it may be beneficial to add an other virtual nic and enforce all traffic routed through one with some additional firewall/ids running under Docker,Kubernetes,  Vbox, Vmware or such. Note I haven't (yet) tried Win's VM feature. A solution such as Opnsense perhaps.Traffic monitoring with additional firewall and routing capabilities, easily get protec
19:42 < sepeck> If it's something important to you, then yes.
19:43 < niozerotoo> What are the advantages of TPM and what if the chip breaks ?
19:43 < quakslikeadukk> ..ction by fetching from live threat feeds for fresh (malware) signatures, advanced IDS etc.
19:43 < sepeck> have backups before trying and ... don't try and over complicate your environment.  Over complication makes it fragile.
19:44 < quakslikeadukk> wikipedia has nice info on TPM, I think Microsoft.com even too somewhere as well as many hardware manufacturers and sales outlets (such as Dell, IBM); may be worth reading around several as such
19:44 < niozerotoo> Ok thanks
19:45 < quakslikeadukk> yeah, what he said I guess...  best keep it simple, and...backup backup backup .. and ya good (again...backup - don't neglect it!=)
19:45 < S_SubZero> The TPM can be one of multiple unlock mechanisms.
19:46 < niozerotoo> What do you mean, S_SubZero ?
19:46 < quakslikeadukk> download.microsoft.com , and many kinda relates resources- sites from MS seems to have a lot of useful programs and tools Id never heard about before but often had need for. Should be explored more! Suggest others too as many prolly missing out. Much good there
19:47 < S_SubZero> niozerotoo: If the TPM "breaks" you can use the recovery key.
19:48 < S_SubZero> if you move the drive to another computer, that is typically the way to get it settled in to a new machine (with a new TPM)
19:49 < niozerotoo> S_SubZero: I see, this recovery key has to be physically stored I assume ?
19:49 < jcotton> Also the TPM can inform the OS if parts of the machine have been tampered with
19:49 < jcotton> niozerotoo: yes, or you can store it in your MS account
19:49 < S_SubZero> it's an unwieldy long 48-digit code.
19:49 < jcotton> You also need the recovery key to go into windows recovery
19:49 < jcotton> Unless you suspend BitLocker first that is
19:51 < niozerotoo> Is BitLocker the only tool for encrypting using TPM? I am not sure sure of using BitLocker due to the "COFEE" program.
19:51 < jcotton> COFEE?
19:52 < niozerotoo> jcotton: http://www.zdnet.com/article/free-cofee-opens-microsoft-bitlocker/
19:53 < S_SubZero> If you don't think you should encrypt your drive, set your laptop up at the most easily snatchable location in the park and then be distracted by something behind you.
19:53 < niozerotoo> A tool provided to law enforcement that can bypass BitLocker and extract info from hard drives. What if it leaks...
19:53 < niozerotoo> S_SubZero: I sure do think I should encrypt my drive but maybe not with BitLocker ;)
19:53 < naphtali> "While COFEE doesn't break BitLocker or open a back door, it captures live data on the computer, which is why it's important for agents not to shut down the computer first, Fung said."
19:53 < jcotton> Looks like the machine needs to be on
19:54 < jcotton> So you're safe if it's off
19:54 < sepeck> niozerotoo: That relies on a number of conditions to run successfully
19:54 < jcotton> Also, that's from 2008
19:54 < naphtali> Did you even read your link nio
19:54 < jcotton> And applies to Vista
19:54 < sepeck>  It can be used on a computer using any type of encryption software, not just BitLocker.
19:54 < naphtali> Bring your laptop with Bitlocker, log in and hand it to me. Watch me "extract" data
19:54 < sepeck> There are are things you can do to prevent that if you lock down your USB drives.  /shrug
19:55 < niozerotoo> naphtali: what link?
19:55 < quakslikeadukk> be creative in your choice of protection..and keep that to yourself,furthermore do not depend on any one solution .. just my 2c
19:55 < naphtali> The ZDnet link
19:55 < naphtali> You posted a few lines agao
19:56 < niozerotoo> naphtali: no, why? I sent the first appropriate google result
19:56 < niozerotoo> I thought it would explain COFEE
19:56 < naphtali> It did
19:56 < naphtali> I thought you read it
19:56 < niozerotoo> Reading it now
19:56  * naphtali looks at Luxxi
19:56 < sepeck> niozerotoo: how you debate somethign is not tossing in random google results.  You link specific things that support your position.  It is not up to anyone else to do your research.
19:57 < GautamS> Is there a way to easily transfer file between two Windows PCs?
19:57 < GautamS> I mean..
19:57 < jcotton> GautamS: thumb drive or OneDrive
19:58 < sepeck> a connected network?
19:58 < GautamS> Like show the other Windows PC as if it were a device, or over a network
19:58 < jcotton> 1803 adds Near Share, which will let you share with nearby devices over Bluetooth
19:58 < GautamS> I've them both connected, and they're side by side
19:58 < blkshp> USB Stick / thumb drive, i use a shared folder.
19:58 < niozerotoo> sepeck: hm excuse me? Debate something? Am I debating? Have I had a point to support? I don't see what you mean. A person asked what COFEE was, of course it's up to him to do his research if he doesn't know, I took time and sent a link for him.
19:58 < GautamS> blkshp: Yea i know USB stick but..
19:58 < quakslikeadukk> with the unix subsystem .., one may have disk access and as it seems easily deploy otherwise linux-only encryption solutions by itself or coupled with other things. With some scripts (a .bat/.cmd/vbs even?)  automate its automounting, to more easily take in use somewhat 'exotic' means of crypto while also being well-tested
19:58 < GautamS> Can I transfer over LAN?
19:58 < naphtali> Is Near Share like Home Groups?
19:58 < jcotton> naphtali: no
19:58 < quakslikeadukk> GautamS: if theyre in same network,  right-click a folder and "Share folder"
19:58 < jcotton> It's between devices, and is specifically for ad-hoc sharing
19:59 < jcotton> It's not a netowrk share or anything
19:59 < quakslikeadukk> then , on the other comp type   \\<ip of computer with shared folder>
19:59 < naphtali> Briefcase?
19:59 < quakslikeadukk> oh..
19:59 < blkshp> i just share a folder, give my MS account write access, make sure devices are on the same network on a private connection and i can share from any physical or virtual PC
19:59 < naphtali> Briefcase is before your time jcotton
19:59 < jcotton> naphtali: it's like AirDrop
19:59 < blkshp> briefcase lol
19:59 < jcotton> I think
19:59 < sepeck> niozerotoo: you made a claim about not using BitLocker because of 'coffee' but it turns out Coffee works for every disk encryption program in very specific use cases.
20:00 < sepeck> niozerotoo: and was surprised by the 3 replies regarding your contention.
20:01 < quakslikeadukk> what about mounting a common folder from a mutually accesible MS One Drive acc... assuming that's even possible, and space/xfer speed wouldn't be a hassle
20:01 < TheBard> What are you looking to do? Use a file server.
20:01 < quakslikeadukk> Made me think; I'd have wanted something like that actually..hmm.
20:02 < niozerotoo> sepeck: I made no claim. I said I am not so sure of using BitLocker, provided a reason, and asked for alternatives.
20:02 < niozerotoo> I had a basic understanding of COFEE, but was apparently misinformed. I did not know it would work with computers encrypted otherwise.
20:02 < sepeck> niozerotoo: and the link you provided indicated it applied to al lthe alternatives
20:03 < niozerotoo> sepeck: yes, indeed. And what's your point? I was misinformed.
20:03 < sepeck> niozerotoo: this is why reasearch is important as well as understanding when people refute claims with evidence you learn from them
20:03 < niozerotoo> I made no claim
20:03 < sepeck> your claim was you didn't want to use BitLocker because Coffee.
20:04 < niozerotoo> That's not a claim. That's what I wanted. I don't want to discuss this any more, let's stay on topic, shall we.
20:04 < GautamS> quakslikeadukk: I don't have that option, do I have to do something?
20:04 < GautamS> related: Is OneDrive seen as a normal folder by most programs?
20:04 < GautamS> Mostly: Visual Studio
20:04 < sepeck> this is on topic http://www.freenode-windows.org/channel-guidelines/debate-guidelines
20:05 < sepeck> since you are willing to move on, we shall
20:05 < kruug> GautamS: if you have C:\Users\<user>\OneDrive, then yes.
20:05 < niozerotoo> sepeck: I don't see how our debate is related to Windows. It's more regarding the fact that you don't like my behavior.
20:05 < quakslikeadukk> GautamS: try http://www.thewindowsclub.com/map-onedrive-network-drive-windows-10
20:06 < GautamS> Hm I do have C:\Users\SGautam\OneDrive
20:06 < sepeck> niozerotoo: which is on topic yes.  See link.  Please be prepared to support your points.
20:06 < GautamS> Now if put something here will it be shown on the other pC let me check
20:06 < sepeck> niozerotoo: I thought we were moving on?
20:06 < GautamS> nope
20:06 < niozerotoo> sepeck: I never made a point. I am just responding to your statements.
20:06 < kruug> GautamS: yes, that's how OneDrive works.  It syncs to the cloud and every other device that is logged into OneDrive with the same account.
20:07 < GautamS> I created a new directory and it doesn't show up on another hmm
20:07 < kruug> GautamS: it may not be real-time, but it does work.
20:07 < quakslikeadukk> GautamS: try refresh.  F5 ?
20:07 < quakslikeadukk> you can get One Drive and access your files on your phone and even from other computers whereever too I believe
20:07 < kruug> And through the web interface
20:08 < GautamS> oh whoops
20:08 < GautamS> I logged out of it sometime ago
20:09 < quakslikeadukk> Is it reeeallly true that with the Office 365 Pro  it includes life-time  5 Terabyte  One Drive space?  Sounds too good to be true, but may be I'm missing something.
20:09 < GautamS> YESS
20:09 < GautamS> IT WORKS!
20:09 < GautamS> It's also real time
20:09 < kruug> quakslikeadukk: I don't believe so, no.
20:09 < GautamS> thanks guys
20:09 < S_SubZero> quakslikeadukk: did you look at the Office 365 plans online?
20:09 < kruug> GautamS: great to hear
20:10 < quakslikeadukk> ..yeah..one of them at least I believe was 5 TB .. :O  Also remember seeing 2TB somewhere iirc.. unsure what for.
20:10 < sepeck> quakslikeadukk: I think it's 1 TB while subscription is active.  But you'd need to read the details onit
20:10 < GautamS> now i just need to install visual studio and directx SDK and we have an ideal development environment
20:11 < sepeck> quakslikeadukk: I have the 5 PC license and share it with my family so everyone has 1TB on OneDrive
20:11 < kruug> quakslikeadukk: "File storage and sharing with 1 TB of OneDrive storage per user" and it's for "Up to 5 users"
20:11 < quakslikeadukk> oh...!  hmh. k
20:11 < GautamS> i'm mostly doing this cause my desktop has a rather large screen to develop stuff in, while the laptop has considerably better hardware
20:12 < GautamS> so run visual studio on desktop hardware, the program on laptop
20:12 < quakslikeadukk> Got me unsure if , given 1 user having that by oneself, is esaily possible to  use the full 5TB alone (without any sneaky workarounds)
20:12 < jcotton> GautamS: can't you just connect the desktop monitor to the laptop?
20:12 < quakslikeadukk> GautamS: Now just to get a program to auto-sync certain folders whenever you put something in there; first have it encrypt and pack/compress the files, then automatically upgrade to the cloud. For extra security?
20:12 < quakslikeadukk> faster transfer, and in case someone gets your password - it'
20:12 < quakslikeadukk> ..ll be encrypted.
20:13 < GautamS> jcotton: I don't have an HDMI cable right now
20:13 < jcotton> GautamS: rip
20:13 < GautamS> besides OneDrive serves as an additional backup in case something goes wrong so :D
20:14 < GautamS> can you put executables over onedrive hmm
20:14 < kruug> GautamS: you can put exe files on OneDrive
20:14 < sepeck> saw an article where they added some time versioned recovery options on OneDrive.  Not sure if it's all deployed yet or 'coming soon'
20:14 < kruug> I think it
20:14 < kruug> it's deployed
20:14 < jcotton> sepeck: it exists already for office documents at least
20:14 < jcotton> Iirc
20:15 < sepeck> you can put pretty much anything on OneDrive
20:15 < sepeck> ya, vaguely rmemeber an article in the last 2-3 months on it
20:15 < kruug> not macro-enabled documents :(
20:15 < jcotton> GautamS: also, VS has remote-deployment tools iirc
20:16 < sepeck> GautamS: look for Scott Hanselman blog, lots of resources.  Also dev based channels on freenode
20:16 < quakslikeadukk> GautamS: for paranoid security may have other cloud-providers; free ones even, auto-sync with the One Drive, possibly independent of eachother and ensuring they don't all have access to eachother. If data encrypted.. security of files should be pretty solid then:P
20:17 < kruug> Spin up a Linux server running OwnCloud and run your own cloud!
20:17 < kruug> or is the right one NextCloud?
20:17 < kruug> I forget...stupid politics
20:17 < GautamS> i don't know.. :P I just wanted a simple way to pass test exes from one PC to another :D
20:18 < quakslikeadukk> or distributed FS; linking several..  so instead of it appearing as one (example-) 2GB drive.. 10 cloud providers each giving 2GB you could haev it appear, and seamlessly use it asif it were a 20gb disk
20:18 < quakslikeadukk> kruug: nextcloud yeah, or owncloud
20:19 < quakslikeadukk> many shared-hosting providers offer that.  ..just don't fall for the claims of "unlimited space" thinking u made a good deal there;)
20:19 < Tazmain>  hmmm either I am filling a windows 10 bug, or intel, because a drive that passes smart check, works 100% when accessed from Linux, gives me this operation could not be perfromed I/O error in windows
20:19 < quakslikeadukk> (them cloud hosting scripts I mean, as well as webdav,ftp and more often as well)
20:20 < kruug> SFTP, SCP
20:20 < jcotton> SMB
20:20 < quakslikeadukk> Tazmain: file system....?
20:20 < quakslikeadukk> yeah, better ideas I guess^..hmh.  If u have it available!
20:21 < Tazmain> quakslikeadukk, NTFS
20:21 < EmKpopRpFOnly> I have windows 10 on a laptop. Every month since the day I got it I check for driver upgrades by having it search for them online but EVERY SINGLE TIME it says that there are NOT any new upgrades
20:21 < EmKpopRpFOnly> Is this ok or is something wrong with it?
20:21 < TheBard> It is up to the OEM to provide driver updates to Windows. If they dont.. they dont
20:21 < S_SubZero> maybe the devices you have in your laptop, the manufacturers have not submitted new drivers to Microsoft.
20:22 < EmKpopRpFOnly> No not windows
20:22 < TheBard> Go to the OEM and check yourself.  My laptop OEM has some service that polls every now and again
20:22 < Tazmain> check the manufactures website
20:22 < EmKpopRpFOnly> Sound and video
20:22 < EmKpopRpFOnly> That brings me to the next part of the question
20:24 < wppp> Windows Remote Desktop with Shadowing is awesome and this alone makes a higher Win 10 license worth the money
20:24 < EmKpopRpFOnly> I checked and download what I assume is the latest by hand BUT when I tried to install it gave an error saying that "Manuel" must install them for me
20:24 < wppp> awesome, I can conect multiple slow thin like clients to a fast PC box and all the users enjoy high speed
20:24 < wppp> (you need good gigabit ethernet though)
20:24 < wppp> intelligent compression, even audio, etc work awesomely
20:24 < CptLuxx> welcome to rdp?
20:24 < kruug> EmKpopRpFOnly: what?
20:24 < kruug> EmKpopRpFOnly: screen-shot?
20:25 < wppp> yes
20:25 < EmKpopRpFOnly> Kruuug no read again
20:25 < wppp> CptFu: but the awesome difference is that multiple users can use it the same time and nobody will notice the other user
20:25 < wppp> you can even switch users in task manager
20:25 < CptLuxx> btw wppp
20:25 < wppp> yes? :)
20:25 < CptLuxx> im not seeing that multi user rdp is not official released
20:25 < CptLuxx> so i guess you use a crack for that..
20:26 < wppp> no crack :O
20:26 < CptLuxx> -not
20:26 < CptLuxx> aha?
20:26 < wppp> http://woshub.com/rds-shadow-how-to-connect-to-a-user-session-in-windows-server-2012-r2/
20:26 < CptLuxx> this is shadowing on server..
20:26 < wppp> yes
20:26 < wppp> I said one single expensive + fast box
20:27 < wppp> which would it be
20:27 < CptLuxx> what?
20:27 < kruug> EmKpopRpFOnly: try to install it yourself, but you get told that "Manuel" must install it?  Can you post a screenshot of that error?
20:27 < CptLuxx> you said multiple users at the same time
20:27 < CptLuxx> thats not support on windows 10
20:27 < CptLuxx> and shadowing is to see another users session for torubleshooting
20:27 < wppp> so I am amazed by a ... support troubleshooting feature?
20:28 < wppp> well, some stuff can be used for more
20:28 < EmKpopRpFOnly> Can someone else help? Kruug seems unable to read the words I actually typed instead of making up their own
20:29 < wppp> CptLuxx: if this makes you feel better: what I am using is 100% legal :)
20:29 < wppp> legal, morally, etc
20:29 < CptLuxx> i dont think so
20:29 < CptLuxx> there is not way in windows 10 to have more than 1 rdp connection to a windows 10 host
20:29 < wppp> I linked to win server though
20:30 < CptLuxx> so
20:30 < kruug> It's RDS, not RPD
20:30 < CptLuxx> why are you saying win10 earlier?
20:30 < kruug> ...
20:30 < S_SubZero> it absolutely cannot be the same androirc guy.  It can't be.
20:30 < kruug> RDS, not RDP
20:30 < compdoc> EmKpopRpFOnly, what do you use to check for new drivers?
20:31 < kruug> "Microsoft has brought Remote Desktop Shadowing to Windows Server 2012 R2 and Windows 8.1."  Roughly 2015-10-07
20:31 < wppp> CptLuxx: misunderstanding, sorry. :)
20:31 < wppp> kruug: indeed
20:31 < CptLuxx> i know that all but shadowing is not the feature for multiple users
20:31 < CptLuxx> srsly... shadowing is to see ANOTHER users rds session and control them to help the user
20:32 < wppp> CptLuxx: then I am confusing something
20:32 < kruug> you can have multiple RDS sessions, though: https://support.managed.com/kb/a1816/how-to-enable-disable-multiple-rdp-sessions-in-windows-2012.aspx
20:33 < CptLuxx> we all know that kruug
20:33 < CptLuxx> but not on win10!
20:33 < Tazmain> you need to buy a license for more than 2 right
20:33 < CptLuxx> yes rds cals
20:33 < quakslikeadukk> or use vnc or such
20:34 < Tazmain> can win10 do 2 at least ?
20:34 < CptLuxx> no
20:34 < Tazmain> quakslikeadukk, so any ideas, drive is ntfs
20:34 < Tazmain> so they limited win 10 to just 1 incoming rdp ?
20:34 < Tazmain> why
20:34 < CptLuxx> because they want you to buy windows server
20:34 < DArqueBishop> ... because 10 is not a server OS.
20:34 < quakslikeadukk> chkdsk?   :s
20:34 < Tazmain> quakslikeadukk, did that
20:34 < c|oner> does the Win7 Home Premium RDP enabler still work? it appears to work for me but then the desktop never shows up when I connect
20:35 < quakslikeadukk> hm, sounds weird :/
20:35 < Tazmain> lol why would I wanna use a windows server with a tablet UI ?
20:35 < kruug> Tazmain: use Windows Server 2016?
20:35 < quakslikeadukk> I use remote desktop client on my phone even. Nice to have a powerful box as easily available with onlysome bandwidth to connecting
20:36 < Tazmain> did 2016 bring back a normal UI ? I thought itwas still in 2016
20:36 < quakslikeadukk> my phone is weak so
20:36 < quakslikeadukk> customize the UI as you please.. should be quite pliable I think
20:36 < quakslikeadukk> I don't like defaults on them newer Windowses either.. may be just old habit but..
20:36 < kruug> Tazmain: looks more like Windows 10 Desktop
20:37 < Tazmain> kruug, hmmm well that's fine
20:37 < wadadli> If I want to release and renew the lease of a specific interface using ipconfig, what does that syntax look like. Thanks.
20:37 < whooligan> ipconfig /release
20:37 < quakslikeadukk> ipconfig /release ??  try   ipconfig /?    for all options
20:38 < whooligan> ipconfig /renew
20:38 < whooligan> from elevated promt
20:38 < wadadli> I would like to release only one interface.
20:38 < quakslikeadukk> ..hm, would it relesae from the particular interface if more than one though, in case he wouldn't want that on the default one?
20:38 < quakslikeadukk> set the default one to whichever u need reset, temporarily
20:39 < quakslikeadukk> the default will be what appears ni the top / first of results wh9en doing ipconfig
20:39 < jcotton> Tazmain: it's the same UI as 10
20:39 < jcotton> b/c MS isn't going to maintain 2 UIs
20:39 < Tazmain> well its better than having the win8 ui on a server
20:40 < Tazmain> I mean serious what was MS thinking at the time, I get the not wanting to maintain 2 ui's but that is a bit much
20:40 < wadadli> ipconfig /release "Local Area Connection 1"ipconfig /release *Local*
20:40 < whooligan> +1
20:40 < quakslikeadukk> "   > ipconfig /renew EL*            ... renew any connection that has its name starting with EL"
20:40 < quakslikeadukk> ..yeah..nvm :d ^
20:41 < Tazmain> jcotton, let me pick your brain, so I have a disk NTFS, that smart says its okay, linux has no issues accessing it, writing and reading, but windows gave me an 'error could not perform action I/O error' When I wanted to opena  folder, did a check disk , and no issues found
20:46 < TheBard> could be many things
20:47 < Tazmain> well I downloaded the drivers from MSI again, odd that you can install the same version it seems again, unless I did somehow even after having a duplicate download had a lower version, and swapped sata cables
20:48 < vyrus001> anybody know what the value of RESOURCE_GLOBALNET is?
20:48 < _Pilot_> is there a recommended compression program for windows? .zip files can be opened by default but i mean for .rar, .tar, .7z etc files
20:48 < GautamS> _Pilot_: WinRAR?
20:49 < jcotton> _Pilot_: 7zip
20:49 < GautamS> there's 7zip
20:49 < GautamS> yea
20:49 < mmmmmmmm> compdoc oh this new fangled thing they just came up with I believe its called "the internet" or something
20:49 < _Pilot_> im gonna go with winrar, im familiar with the little books
20:49 < GautamS> haha :)
20:49 < TheBard> a number of them in the Store.
20:50 < GautamS> 7zip is open source and doesn't prompt you every time tho
20:51 < Tazmain> lol winrar has the most gracious 30 day period ever
20:51 < _Pilot_> i'd rather have a prompt in place of drm any day
20:51 < GautamS> Why is my Core 2 Duo faster than my laptop's i5-7200 U running Windows 10
20:52 < _Pilot_> what's the core 2 duo running?
20:52 < jcotton> GautamS: same hardware otherwise?
20:52 < jcotton> also, define "faster"
20:52 < GautamS> both are running win10 have almost the same software
20:52 < GautamS> jcotton: Copying files, starting applications, being more responsive
20:52 < GautamS> Core 2 Duo has 5 gigs of RAM, laptop has 8 gigs
20:52 < GautamS> even Visual Studio installed faster
20:52 < _Pilot_> 5 gigs of ram? how?
20:53 < CptLuxx> 2x2gb 1x1gb
20:53 < GautamS> _Pilot_: Had a DDR2 1 GB stick lying around
20:53 < S_SubZero> copying?  starting apps?  You mean as if the storage was somehow a factor?
20:53 < GautamS> hmm
20:53 < _Pilot_> ah makes sense
20:53 < GautamS> could be
20:53 < quakslikeadukk> ^.. suggest 7zip.  more compatible, more features, higher compression .... etc.
20:54 < jcotton> use the beta/alpha versions of 7z BTW
20:54 < jcotton> they're stable, and have more features
20:54 < quakslikeadukk> yeah^^   and check out them plugins / extras possibly too.  :]
20:54 < _Pilot_> i've never needed extreme capabilities out of compression software. just openin and closin
20:54 < CptLuxx> plugins in 7zip?
20:55 < S_SubZero> why does zip software need features.. click a bunch of stuff -> add to zip.  highlight a zip -> decompress to folder.  Do I need more than that
20:55 < _Pilot_> exactly
20:55 < CptLuxx> password,encryption
20:55 < quakslikeadukk> hm, or maybe rather mostly other apps having plugins rlated to use of 7zip..
20:55 < _Pilot_> if i need security i'll just handle that after its compressed
20:55 < jcotton> S_SubZero: other compression formats exist
20:55 < kruug> you also change compression algorithm, faster/smaller/etc
20:55 < S_SubZero> replace "zip" with your favorite compression whatever that 7zip has and has had for years
20:56 < S_SubZero> Wasn't I selecting "Ultra" in 7zip back in like 2001
20:56 < quakslikeadukk> some times u may need to split it.  or have different formos of compression.  or  allow compression with minimal amount of memory  (like on ur 16mb ram home-router) Some times its K to tolerate long compression but fast de-compression, n other way around,...  compresion level may be optimized alot with correct use
20:56  * GautamS uninstalls Classic Shell
21:01 < quakslikeadukk> o and nicely,by default iirc..7zip includes a checksum-verifcation tool as shell extension in Windows as well for convenient use. I bet still many neglect using however much encouraged by many sites :o
21:01 < jzono1> so uhm. what's the "fastest"/"best" network fs stuff for when I want to mount a folder on my linux machine on a windows 2016 server machine via gigabit network? I need something that's good at tiny files, and where changes appear instantly. my useage case is development in vs2017/vscode/rubymine, and in the past I've used samba with non-perfect results. (rubymine complained about slowness, and things
21:01 < jzono1> weren't instant) are there any better alternatives I should look into?
21:01 < jcotton> jzono1: SMB
21:01 < jcotton> install samba on your linux box
21:01 < S_SubZero> SMB2/3 if you got it
21:02 < kruug> jzono1: cloud storage?
21:02 < jcotton> jzono1: also, define "in the past"
21:02 < jzono1> do I need to do some tweaking to make it fast for this kind of useage? I already have samba, and it's... yeah - not optimal. :/
21:02 < S_SubZero> i frequently copy files from my iMac to my Win10 PC via SMB and it's comfortably fast.
21:02 < jzono1> last 3 months, jcotton
21:02 < kruug> What part is "not optimal"?
21:02 < quakslikeadukk> may be some bottleneck..
21:03 < jzono1> basically I need my changes to show up instantly from the windows machine onto the linux machine, and samba does not deliver that
21:03 < quakslikeadukk> have you tried network performance benchmarking of various kinds over different protocols?
21:04 < quakslikeadukk> click refresh mayb? :P
21:04 < TheBard> #samba is the support channel
21:04 < jzono1> quakslikeadukk: the network between the machines is fine, with no bottlenecks, and both machines have generous free resources
21:05 < jzono1> yes TheBard - but notice how I'm asking for alternatives in case samba ain't the right tool for the job
21:05 < quakslikeadukk> try refresh the folder if it does not show up at once. it should be there i'd think..   unless something like.. anti-virus or such is holding it back for check first, or something..
21:05 < kruug> Isn't there a samba mismatch that can cause issues?
21:06 < quakslikeadukk> what about mounting it some other way.. many webservers are specialized for fast access to many small files for example... hm
21:07 < jzono1> quakslikeadukk: there's no antivirus involved. (no need for that on a local dev enviroment.) and yes, part of the problem is that this isn't the kind of thing that samba does well
21:08 < S_SubZero> i know when I copy a lot of files there's a pause at the beginning which I assume is the two endpoints figuring out how things are gonna go. It doesn't just start arbitrarily throwing files across the connection
21:09 < jzono1> I guess the ideal approach would be the latest and greatest smb stuff with windows-server on both ends, but I'm doing this because one of the dev enviroments I use is half-broken and runs terrible on windows
21:09 < jzono1> could nfs be better at this sort of thing?
21:09 < kruug> use git to sync them?
21:10 < mmmmmmmm> jzono1 they are messing with you. Notice how jcotton "suggested" SMB 1 2 or 3
21:10 < jcotton> don't use SMB1
21:10 < jcotton> you'd be better off setting yourself on fire
21:11 < mmmmmmmm> SMB = Super Mario Bros which is a VIDEO GAME these idiots don't know computers from their mommy's titty
21:11 < S_SubZero> i can't believe it's him
21:11 < jcotton> mmmmmmmm: ... it means Server Message Block
21:11 < CptLuxx> http://www.freenode-windows.org/channel-guidelines mmmmmmmm
21:11 < TheBard> mmmmmmmm polite language only
21:13 < quakslikeadukk> internet network where threats aren't considered a concern either at all, may be smb1 wouldnt be too much of an extra risk anyawy eh
21:13 < jcotton> i mean
21:13 < jcotton> it's also slower more than likely
21:14 < quakslikeadukk> anyway, maybe try consider .. http://linux.bytesex.org/misc/webfs.html , or perhaps rather this http://ltworf.github.io/weborf/cache.html which with many files ad cache enabled apparently beats ones like nginx, lighttpd n otehrs in speed, with dav, auto-compression option support and lil more... but quite basic otherwise
21:16 < HoloIRCUser2> .
21:17 < jzono1> quakslikeadukk: that looks like the completely wrong tool for the job. I need the project directory on my linux server to show up and behave as a normal directory on my windows machine, so that I can open it up and work on it via tools on the windows machine. some sort of http server is useless for that
21:18 < HoloIRCUser2> .
21:18 < quakslikeadukk> webdav...?
21:18 < jzono1> ideally I'd just run everything on the windows machine, but with a toolchain and framework that fails all the time on windows that's not a realistic option
21:18 < jcottonn> Look at me I'm jcotton the worlds biggest retarded faggot!
21:19 < jcotton> jcottonn: ...
21:19 < jcotton> you have a very obvious extra n
21:19 < jcotton> also you're HoloIrcUser
21:19 < jcotton> again
21:19 < jcottonn> I think video games are computers because I only have left over cum from the dicks I suck for a brain
21:20 < jzono1> I guess it can't hurt to try nfs?
21:20 < jcotton> jzono1: i've heard the windows NFS stuff is pretty bad
21:20 < jcotton> but you can try
21:22 < _Pilot_> he's not even funny.. if trolls are gonna be trolls they should at least be funny
21:22 < blkshp> Excuse the interruption folks!
21:22 < blkshp> Idiots will be idiots.
21:22 < jcotton> interruption not excused!
21:23 < blkshp> is that an extra 'n' i see jcotton :)
21:23  * jcotton hides
21:23 < quakslikeadukk> apology accepted.
21:24 < jzono1> jcotton: I'm used to samba being "good enough", but for this it just doesn't seem to be. :/
21:24 < _Pilot_> i wonder if you could write a script involving scp that you just indicate refresh and scp sends it to the linux box
21:24 < jcotton> you could with inotify
21:25 < _Pilot_> or what about rsync? does that work with windows?
21:25 < _Pilot_> and the internet?
21:26 < jzono1> if all else fails I know that could be a way to go. but that's always a bother, and I'd prefer to just mount it
21:26 < quakslikeadukk> or tuning smb to optimize performance..seems to possibly be a lot to gain, and much info & discussion around htisaround indicating many others have been bothered by similar .ex; https://serverfault.com/questions/4409/windows-networking-performance-smb-cifs
21:27 < quakslikeadukk> ofmany tipes, one is to change a setting: "[...] By default, the SMB redirector throttles throughput across high-latency network connections in some cases to avoid network-related timeouts. Setting this registry value to 1 disables this throttling, enabling higher file transfer throughput over high-latency network connections. "
21:28 < jzono1> sure, quakslikeadukk. but every tuning guide I've seen has been oriented towards larger files
21:28 < quakslikeadukk> hmh
21:32 < quakslikeadukk> not able to connect the two hosts directly together somehow if not having done that already? - there's a router in-between?..if so I guess u've alreadu looked over its settings as well to ensure it ain't the cause likely.hm? hmm
21:32 < jzono1> they're running on the same kvm vm host
21:33 < jzono1> I've been having some trouble with virtio 10gbit nics, so right now there's only a regular gigabit connection between them, but that should be plenty
23:01 < Aelius> oh neat, I just learned that the Windows start menu can pass arguments to the exe files defined in start menu shortcuts. nifty
23:01 < Aelius> When did this get added?
23:02 < ScRaMbLe> since... ever? startmenu == shortcuts
23:03 < Aelius> You misunderstand.
23:03 < Aelius> I can type `firefox.exe -P` into the start menu
23:03 < Aelius> and it will work, even though firefox.exe is not on PATH
23:04 < Aelius> the start menu is aware of executables defined by shortcuts, such that you can call them with arguments like you would in a terminal
23:04 < ScRaMbLe> Yep
23:05 < kruug> yeah, that's been a thing since...XP?
23:06 < kruug> well, they had the "RUN" button in the Start Menu
23:06 < kruug> Vista had the first search bar included, so...Vista?
23:06 < gambl0re> anyone use lenovo x1?
23:06 < Aelius> So, to be clear: XP's "run" dialog was aware of exe files not on path?
23:07 < weq> it has to in a folder that is included in path, or an apppath
23:07 < weq> apppaths are not the same as path so don't think they are alike.
23:07 < Aelius> what is an apppath?
23:07 < kruug> anything in appdata, program data, program files, program files (x86)
23:07 < kruug> etc
23:08 < weq> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee872121(v=vs.85).aspx
23:08 < Aelius> (I can indeed run firefox.exe -P from "run")
23:08 < Maarten> Aelius, I have no XP machine.... BUT I still have a few straggler Windows 2003 Server VM's, and I can just run executables with switches from run:. So, in answer to your question, and with 2003 server being released in.... well.... 2003, at least 15 years :P
23:08 < weq> if it as registered application in the apppath part of registry then yes it will ofc work.
23:09 < kruug> Basically, anything that was installed...not a "portable" app
23:09 < weq> if the installer is made to register itself there.
23:09 < kruug> which 99.9% of installers do
23:10 < weq> I just don't want to rule out a bad installer because I've seen my fair share.
23:10 < Maarten> So, since it works in 2003.... pretty sure it probably works in XP too. Who knows, since Windows 9x has a Start and a Run, it may have worked there too! But no way to verify that now.... ;)
23:10 < weq> well let's not dwell on the past, we are not ##windows-legacy
23:10 < kruug> Next time I go to my parent's house, I can test on 3.1...
23:12 < eliran> I'm trying to install Debian WSL and after I type a username I get : Error: 0x80070003
23:12 < Aelius> huh, why did no one tell me the Run dialog wasn't just a useless thing
23:13 < kruug> eliran: probably have to stop the Windows Update service, remove the SoftwareDistribution folder, and then re-run Windows Update
23:13 < kruug> eliran: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-update/windows-update-error-0x80070003/8badf153-81d8-4d9c-a864-0fa214b8cdc3
23:14 < weq> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install-win10 <-  the 0x80070003 regarding debian is mentioned there.
23:15 < weq> so if you have moved the path for new apps it will fail
23:15 < ScRaMbLe> I just double checked - Aelius win7 doesn't recognize parameters like win10 does (on startmenu) so RUN remains useful there in that - but if you save a shortcut@startmenu with parameters and click on it, it will take it.
23:16 < kruug> ScRaMbLe: really?  I've passed parameters through Windows 7 run thingy in the start menu
23:16 < ScRaMbLe> I just tried it and it's not recognizing "chrome -incognito" and it loads as 'chrome'
23:17 < Aelius> need .exe afaik
23:17 < weq> notepad would be a better test.
23:17 < Aelius> and shortcuts usually define the whole path, so of course it works there
23:17 < kruug> is it --incognito?
23:17 < ScRaMbLe> good point! including .exe will make it work @win7
23:17 < weq> notepad c:\derp.txt would either result a blank notepad if it doesn't work.
23:18 < weq> or it will say that it can't find the file unless you have it
23:18 < Aelius> isn't notepad on PATH, though?
23:18 < ScRaMbLe> so @startmenu@win7  "chrome.exe -incognito" works while @win10 you may omit the .exe
23:18 < weq> where you explicitly just testing for those who aren't on path?
23:18 < weq> but only apppath ?
23:18 < Aelius> yes- this "apppath" is novel to me. I was only ever aware of path
23:19 < weq> apppath is great no need to put useless things into path.
23:20 < weq> Windows is not a filebased OS like many other *nix varieties. Exploring the storage of the different functions in Windows is great learning. Windows is an API based os.
23:21 < Aelius> it does make Windows tremendously more easy to use- previously, whenever I wanted to run something with arguments, I had to specify the whole path (usually just cd to it in cmd)
23:23 < Aelius> I'm on w10 and I do need to specify .exe in the start menu, but not in run
23:25 < ScRaMbLe> Aelius you can create a shortcut with all the arguments you need and name it "ez" and PIN that to startmenu ; and then just run 'ez'
23:27 < ScRaMbLe> sorry If I am missleading anyone but I use ClassicShell @ win10
23:27 < Aelius> Which I have done many times in the past. Predefining arguments in a manually created shortcut is mundane and self evident
23:28 < kruug> Eww..ClassicShell...
23:28 < sepeck> ScRaMbLe: has anyone picked up support for it now that that the creator has dropped it?
23:29 < Aelius> to me, this just means I have access to things "on PATH" without having to manually add things to path (or manually create shortcuts). But I don't see the downside in putting "useless things into path". If anything, this is just arbitrary and unusual: this special non-terminal has its own special path
23:30 < Aelius> I'm glad it's there, but also... why?
23:31 < Stryyker> path has a finite size depending on Windows version
23:31 < ScRaMbLe> sepeck Not that I know of but just wait for the next win10 upgrade that may break it, which will trigger the community to come up with a solution,  most likely a fork will be due
23:31 < Stryyker> Also if you have 2 things with same name, first found is used
23:32 < eliran> forcing people to use drive C:\ , you would expect MS would actually cooperate with SSD drives manufacturers and make it more flexible
23:32 < ScRaMbLe> Aelius You seem to be aware of this works so whats all the fuss? Adapt to the system or have it adapt to you
23:33 < weq> path is tedious to add or remove from compared to apppath. Apppath serves are more narrow and functions to support applications instead of being the support the OS.
23:33 < weq> eliran: it is only WSL that is like this and it is not a requirement to c: but to your OS drive.
23:33 < sepeck> ScRaMbLe: well, I wish your community luck
23:33 < Aelius> What does it do beyond making "run" useful, weq ?
23:33 < weq> eliran: take it up on the feeback hub or issues on their github tracker
23:33 < eliran> can I see the total amount of RAM usage all processes of the same name takes?
23:34 < ScRaMbLe> sepeck Not my community at all, I just use their software :)
23:34 < eliran> weq: I am actually pretty sure it is not the first time this sort of thing create trouble
23:34 < weq> eliran: but ranting here won't do anything about it. ever.
23:35 < weq> Aelius: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ee872121(v=vs.85).aspx see the different registry entries, DropTarget, Supported protocol etc.
23:42 < Aelius> ok, those are useful, but the way PATH works on Windows (and how this integrates with it) still doesn't seem like the best way to go about doing it.
23:42 < Aelius> or rather, why doesn't cmd/powershell inherit apppath?
23:42 < jcotton> AppPath?
23:42 < jcotton> you mean the thing the start menu checks?
23:42 < Aelius> yes
23:46 < sepeck> max length for PATH is 260 characters iirc
23:48 < Aelius> It just doesn't make sense to me that "run" would have access to let me quickly fire off commands
23:48 < Aelius> but cmd wouldn't
23:49 < jcotton> sepeck: for individual elements yes
23:49 < jcotton> PATH as a whole can def be longer tho
23:49 < jcotton> s/yes/maybe/
23:49 < sepeck> run from the start isn't built on cmd, it's a something else
23:50 < jcotton> sepeck: he's saying it's odd Run checks another mechanism in addition to PATH
23:50 < Aelius> I'm less interested in the fact that things are different (which is the crux of my criticism) and more interested in if it makes sense for things to be that way
23:51 < sepeck> jcotton: ah... well... not sure why it's odd.  start > run is built after cmd shell.  cmd shell had virtually no changes for 20 years.
23:51 < sepeck> it's only in the last 2-3 years the shell has had any work done at all
23:51 < Aelius> sepeck: but it's also missing from powershell
23:52 < jcotton> PS uses the same system as cmd for launching external executables
23:52 < jcotton> s/system/API/
23:52 < jcotton> more than likely
23:52 < sepeck> so... my confusion is I don't see them as related so I wouldn't expect them to have the same features.
23:52 < sepeck> I would strongly suggest you add a feature request to ... something, in the Feedback Hub because it sounds cool
23:53 < sepeck> what you could do is ask in #powershell.  You might get lucky as some of those folks know some really obscure things
23:53 < jcotton> PS does not check AppPath
23:53 < sepeck> jcotton: I know, but there might be someone who knows why
23:54 < sepeck> now I kind of wonder about that too.
23:54 < jcotton> the launching of external apps likely ends at this https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ms682425(v=vs.85).aspx
23:54 < jcotton> oh
23:54 < jcotton> "The function will not use the search path."
23:54 < jcotton> does it not check PATH?
23:55 < sepeck> seems link apppath is meant for something specific then
23:56 < sepeck> https://helgeklein.com/blog/2010/08/how-the-app-paths-registry-key-makes-windows-both-faster-and-safer/  <--
23:56 < sepeck> The App Paths key provides a mechanism that allows programmers to make their application startable by name only without having to modify the system-wide path.
23:56 < Aelius> It feels like this is a quirk of a bottom-up design process, where "things are the way they are because that's how they were built".
23:56 < Stryyker> That is for the start menu. Raymond Chen blogged about it
23:57 < sepeck> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110725-00/?p=10073/  <--
23:57 < Stryyker> https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20110725-00/?p=10073 is old but still useful
23:57 < Stryyker> I'm too slow :(
23:57 < sepeck> no, I only knew about it since I was looking and you said Raymond Chen so I refined my search
23:58 < jcotton> if you want to konw about any of Windows' quirks Raymond Chen probably has a post or 3 on it
23:58 < truexfan81> jcotton: guess what happened last nite when i tried to upgrade to 1803
23:58 < Stryyker> It would be nice if MS documented such stuff
23:58 < jcotton> truexfan81: sadness?
23:58 < sepeck> they do through Raymond Chen :)
23:59 < Stryyker> truexfan81: Did you try different wifi drivers?
23:59 < Stryyker> Raymond is also good for getting undocumented info on win32 APIs or extra detail not clearly documented.
23:59 < sepeck> I may have actually vagually known about this way back in the old days when I was doing desktop stuff
23:59 < truexfan81> jcotton: during the reboots, it got to 75%, then greenscreened, complained about A6100.sys which is part of the driver for my usb wifi adapter, after reboot it reverted me back to 1709, and to try again, would require letting it download the entire iso again, so i said screw it and left insider
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